Looking Ahead to Next Season

SensChirp July 17, 2014 558
Looking Ahead to Next Season

Let’s keep this whole positivity thing going.

The mood around the Ottawa Senators hasn’t been great lately. But for all the doom and gloom, there are still things to look forward to next season. Nobody is going to slap the Stanley Cup Contender label on this team next year but there’s reason to believe they’ll be in the mix for a playoff spot when the dust settles in April 2015.

Here’s a list of eight (ya 8!) things I am looking forward to next season.

Craig Anderson in a Contract Year- Robin Lehner is going to play a bigger role this season but he’s going to have to earn it. Craig Anderson is coming off a down year and should be motivated and ready to return to the form he showed during the lockout shortened season. I don’t think it will be here in Ottawa but Anderson will be eager to earn another big contract in free agency. I’m expecting a big bounce back year from Andy.

A Healthy Bobby Ryan- It’s a little scary in some ways but maybe we’ll be seeing Bobby Ryan in a contract year too? Ryan battled through a sports hernia injury from November on last season and didn’t really show what he is capable of over a full season. And he still put up 23 goals and 48 points. If he can stay healthy, there’s no reason to believe Ryan won’t break the 30 goal mark this year.

Curtis Lazar- Right now the forward group looks a little crowded but the way management talks about him, it sounds like a foregone conclusion that Curtis Lazar will be in the lineup on opening night. Fresh off his “Hardest Worker” award at Development Camp, Lazar is eager to make a strong impression at training camp. The hype around Lazar may be a little out of hand right now but I can’t wait to see what the kid can do against NHL competition.

Jared Cowen’s Bounce Back Season- Last season was as bad as it could get for Jared Cowen. The team gave him every opportunity to work through his struggles but it just wasn’t getting better for Cowen. Management and Coaches believe he’ll get better. Being healthy and participating in training camp will be a great way for Cowen to start the year and should help him get off on the right foot. I know it’s not a popular opinion but I still believe Cowen can be a quality top four defenceman. He’ll get back on track this season.

14/15/25 become a fourth line- I look at the depth chart and see a pretty clear top three centres in Turris, Zibanejad and Legwand. Zack Smith is this team’s fourth line centre and should be used that way this coming season. Paul MacLean was clear that cutting back on penalties will be a focus for this team next season. One obvious way to do that is to rely less on that trio of Greening-Smith-Neil. With that said, I do feel like that can be an effective line, if they play a little less. Hoping the Head Coach sees it the same way.

Increased role for Mika Zibanejad- Losing Spezza will hurt this team offensively. But with Spezza leaving, that just means more time for Mika Zibanejad to develop into a legitimate first or second line centre. Zibanejad put up 33 points in 69 games last season and showed signs that he’s ready to take on a bigger role. He’ll have every opportunity to do that this season. When asked about Kyle Turris as the number one centre, Sens GM Bryan Murray was quick to point to Zibanejad as a candidate for that spot. Zibanejad is good. We’ll find out just how good he is this season.

Mark Stone Becomes a Full time NHLer- Every time Mark Stone has appeared at the NHL level he has impressed. It started in that playoff game against the New York Rangers a couple seasons ago and most recently down the stretch last season when he saw time on a line with MacArthur and Turris. Mark Stone is an NHLer at this point and all signs point to him being a damn good one. He dominated at the development camp and is ready to carry that over to the main camp this season. There’s a spot there for the taking in the team’s top six. This is Stone’s chance to seize it.

Erik Karlsson at 100%- During most of last season, any time someone asked Karlsson about his Achilles, he still hinted that it wasn’t 100%. More than a year after the injury, he was still having some lingering effects that limited his mobility and caused him to be tentative at times. Also, he had 74 points. For the first time since the injury, Karlsson isn’t rehabbing. He’s training. I think we’ll see EK65 at this best next season. It was awfully nice of PK and Duncan to look after Erik’s trophy for the last couple years though.

So there’s eight things I’m looking forward to next season.  Add to the list, won’t you?

  • Sicilian

    Thanks Chirp. It was a nice article and (no joke) I found myself breathing out a sigh of relief when I finished.

  • clarkeinthedark

    I really, really like mike Hoffman.

    • Senatollah

      is that you mike?

  • Sharmarke

    Onlu thing I hate about summer is no hockey.

    • Pasky

      Start a ball hockey league in your neighbourhood or with co-workers/friends. We did a quick one and play twice a week in an outdoors hockey rink, but paved inside the boards. More of a pickup game but keeps us busy.

  • rhume55

    Michalek – Zibanejad – Ryan
    MacArthur – Turris – Stone
    Condra – Legwand – Chiasson
    Greening – Smith – Neil

    This team is going to be better than a lot of people think.

    • Jakester

      HOw bout giving Legwand Hoffman on the left side, at least he can hit a wide open soccer net from ten feet out, unlike Condra. I hear we need a new guy to replace SpartaCat, now I can see Condra doing a great job in that role.

    • Tooks

      Not if Zibanejad is 1C, ouch…

    • T Byro

      Get rid of Greening and add Hoffman

    • Wyzerd

      Scoring wasn’t a problem last year. Keeping goals out is likely to have a similar theme..

  • Max2166

    Thanks for the update Chirp. I’m certain there will be a trade before the season begins. I think this team will be the Pesky Sens from 2 years ago and will surprise a lot of people in 2014-2015. Can not wait for October to arrive. Go Sens Go!!!

  • CUP 2014-15

    Could not agree more. Love all of these and just to add one more, I am looking forward to this teams overall style of play. I can see them being a real pain in the ass and we can drop the pesky term as I think this team is a ton more gifted offensively then people give them credit for.

  • Phil.

    I am looking forward to beating the Habs and Leafs. The Sens will be the underdogs this year, so the victories will be even sweeter.

  • SlickRick

    Looking forward to the likes of Cowen, Gryba, Smith and Neil beating the shit out the Habs at the same time (ala last years’ playoffs)

    • Tooks

      We didnt make the playoffs last year…

  • Spoons

    Great article! What’s fun about this upcoming year is people are hopeful for the development of quite a few players.

    For some, it’s Stone, others it’s Hoffman, Lazar or even a Cowen comeback. For me however, it’s Weircioch. I see him earn a very dependable role by December.

    • FBP

      In Buffalo probably.

      • Zelle

        I firmly believe trading with Buffalo would be a horrible idea right now. Don’t trust Tim Murray at all.

        • FBP

          I agree, it just feels like PW is on his way out and one of the TSN radio guys intimated that Tim was PW’s biggest supporter.

          • Tooks

            Its too bad, I though PW46 was much better than Cowen last year.

          • Zelle

            I get that feeling too but hoping I am wrong. Even if Tim is interested I hope they just hang up the phone like they did when he asked for Lazar.

        • Sandy

          Just think, a re-building team like Buffalo is outspending the Sens by almost 10M.

          • Zelle

            Hey no negativity! lol

          • Sensnation

            What? Where are you seeing this? Capgeek shows them 5mil ahead and we still need to sign Lehner.

  • FBP

    Cowen has to be better right?

    He hasn’t always been as brutal as he was last year. Throughout his career he seems to have had a really good season, followed by a not so good season.

    If we look at this as a pattern, assume that a significant low will be followed by an equally significant high and consider his dismal showing last year he should be a Norris contender 14/15.

    If he can rebound it will really, really help us out.

    • runningbear1974

      Even though he sucked bad, he still had a +/- of 0, which is pretty good…

      • FBP

        Good in the same way that I didn’t get pooped on by a bird today is good.

      • PraiseAlfie11

        I am shocked by that. I guess that proves +/- is a worthless stat after all.

        • Sensnation

          Actually no, it shows he had a better season than fans will give him credit for.

          • PraiseAlfie11

            I will admit that I expect WAY more than he gave last year…especially after his diva like holdout.

            I expect him to be pairing with KK65. Hopefully last year was a sophomore slump.

          • CUP 2014-15

            I am not 100% sure of why the contract issue came up, maybe SC or someone else can shed some light on it but I don’t think it was all JC’s fault. I remember that there was some confusion over him becoming an RFA due to the games played in Bingo or something like that, this led to a late scramble from both sides to work out a complicated deal. Bridge or long term was the big question at that point.

          • Sensnation

            Him and Karlsson should not be paired together at this stage of their careers, their styles don’t match and I’m tired of watching Cowen get blamed for having to cover 2 guys while Karlsson doesn’t do his job. Maybe if Karlsson is back to 100% and skating defensively, but not until then.

          • PraiseAlfie11

            Cowen has proved NOTHING in this league. He bitched and moaned about playing in bingo then held out for more money later on.

            I expect more from him this year, and I highly doubt I am alone in that opinion.

    • The Apostle

      The thing that disappointed me most about Cowen (and there was a list) was the hold out. He had two major injuries as a Senator, but they stood by him to offer a decent 1 way way deal with a decent pay rise and he threw a pissy fit because he was asked to play in Bingo during the lockout. To me, his attitude stunk and that set him back right out of the gate and he was rehabing his injury during games rather than in pre season and in the gym.

      he better show up, work really fucking hard in camp and be prepared to carry on working fucking hard right through the season. For a guy who has proven absolutely nothing so far in his career he certainly seemed to act like an entitled star.

  • A-Train

    Alex Chiasson. Big kid who’s showed some scoring touch. Looking forward to seeing what he can do. Also: A high-profile Quebecois wouldn’t be a bad thing on this team.

    • spezzerman

      totally agree. I’m even more excited since hearing Jim Nill say Chiasson was an untouchable in the Seguin deal last summer. They parted with Reilly Smith over Chiasson who went on to score 20G and 50 points in Boston. Nill said Chiasson was what it took to get Spezza but he was very reluctant to do so.

      Chiasson scored 8 goals in his first 9 NHL games then slowed way, way down, only getting 4 in his next 65-70. Apparently he had some weird illness where he lost a bunch of weight and wasnt the same player. He certainly has potential for 20G with us next year

  • spezzerman

    We seem to have a very favourable schedule from both a fan and team perspective. I hadnt looked too closely at it until I picked my games for next season the other day.

  • FBP

    I feel like it’s just going to be the wife and I on the North side.

    • CUP 2014-15

      North side sucks. LOL

      • FBP

        Did it actually used to suck for some real reason? I wasn’t around for past CFL Ottawa teams.

        • ReleaseTheKarlsson

          My understanding of the history around it is that the North side is traditionally the “rich” side. It’s where all the bosses and execs sat. No sun in your eyes for evening games, a roof, and individual seats. The South side was the “poor” side with sun, no roof, and bleacher bench seating. It was a chance for the employees to give a big middle finger to their bosses. This also resulted in the South side being the more “fun” side. Thus, “North Side Sucks!” I don’t know about the “poor” vs “rich” side anymore, but the South side is definitely still the most fun and the North side still SUCKS!

          • FBP

            Thanks for the explanation!

            I actually just did some research on it too. Turns out the South side actually sucks and also smells and probably doesn’t serve Beau’s.

          • Miguel

            that pretty much sums it up!
            but now the Rich will be on the South side, so not sure where the fun will be this time…. easy answer is the fun will be on both sides!

        • CUP 2014-15

          I am not sure. I know when I started going it was told to me that the main reasons are what The Karlsson stated below. The main focus was the overhang, the Glebites held those tickets and it’s much more reserved. The danger zone was always the upper deck in the southside. Don’t think the Northside sucks or anyone cares, just a ton of fun, especially when your team sucked.

          • FBP

            I’m sure it all be awesome this time around! Does the south side have an overhand as well now? I can’t recall.

        • SensChirp
          • FBP

            That’s awesome.

            Up there with the Pageau, Pageau chant for spur of the moment awesome Ottawa chants.

      • s3nsfan

        Southside SUCKS!!!!!

        • CUP 2014-15

          Bad news northsider, new rules….no granola allowed, you’ll have to eat some deep fried football food. LOL

  • SensChirp

    Anybody heading to the RedBlacks home opener tomorrow?

    • CUP 2014-15

      Southside and looking forward to a good game and lots of cold ones seeing how the truck will be at home.

    • Senatollah

      Cant on principle. Allegiance to the Sens.

      • FBP

        Buh?

    • KJ

      unfortunately no. sold out.

      • FBP

        You can pick up a pair for a cool $5000.00 on Kijiji.

        • TookieIs100PercentRight

          Too much for a 0-2 team. I traded my pair (good seats too) for lunch at So Good, fronts to see Blondie and fronts to see the Habs/Sens.

        • KJ

          Umm. No. Thanks :)

    • s3nsfan

      Love to but unfortunately heading to the cottage for 11 days. Maybe next home game after I’m back

    • Frankie Fives

      Yep, I’m going. Can’t wait

    • Sandy

      Me.
      I’m going to be interested on how all of those people get home on OC Transpo buses

    • JAY79

      Not tomorrow, I heard it was sold out but just yesterday a buddy and I were talking about going to a game soon.

  • Senatollah

    Erik Karlsson at 100%

  • clarkeinthedark

    Mark Stone i think will surprise many this year. 20 goals.

    • FBP

      He look like a scoring, fore-checking machiney beast out there last year.

      • clarkeinthedark

        I love that description

      • CUP 2014-15

        also loved his takeaways, I don’t think he got credit for many as some games, I swear he had 2 or 3 and the stats sheet showed zippo. He just has great hands and stickwork.

  • laffin681021

    To add, I’m very excited to see what Chiasson can do with our team. Not sure if anyone else is on the same excitement level as I am with him but I can’t wait to see what he can do. Also, I completely agree with with Cowen. I think he get’s back on track to being that top 4 defenseman that he is projected to be.

    • Tooks

      So am I, he mostly played 3rd line in Dallas with the occasional Benn/Seguin combo. Gonna be interesting to see what he does here with a lesser squad. I’ll say 35-40 pts isnt out of reach but to expect more than that is probably pushing it. Unless he racks up alot of PP time, then who knows, but under 50 is a realistic projection.

      • laffin681021

        Yeah I would have said around 40 myself with around 15 goals.

  • Not Eugene Melnyk

    Suprised the new led lights didn’t make the list

  • Zelle

    Great points.

    In addition, I’m looking forward to:

    Seeing Chiasson in a Sens uniform. He looked good in Dallas and is the same age range as our core group, so I’m excited to see him play for us and become part of that core.

    Rolling four complete lines. I look at the roster and feel we have three-four legit lines that can be used. None “high” scoring but all defensively sound and scoring depth.

    • runningbear1974

      Is it true he’s taking number 90? and Spezza is also taking 90… Not sure what that means, if true, but it sounds pretty bold to me…

      • Zelle

        Yup both true. I’m not reading much into it. Maybe he just likes the number 90?

      • cups

        I think spez took 90 as a kinda babe ruth point-out- the-park, as in he planning on netting 90 points haha

        • CUP 2014-15

          I don’t think it was 90, I think maybe 39

          • cups

            huh? I don’t even watch baseball.. just meant the bold prediction part. bad analogy, I guess. it was the first thing that came to mind, probably because if everyone talking about Phillips and his pointing thing. I’m girl-drink-drunk, I’ll stop now…

          • CUP 2014-15

            Ya my fault, just somehow thought you said he wore that number early, man don’t know what I have been drinking.

        • CUP 2014-15

          Sorry Cup not sure what I read there, lol

          • cups

            that makes two of us haha

    • Tooks

      I’m so stoked, I can hardly contain myself. Its going to be a blast watching a 2nd line and three 3rd lines go at it every night!

      • Zelle

        Inorite! I’m sure your excitement level watching them play will be as high as ours having to read your posts.

      • Frankie Fives

        Then don’t watch

      • sens88

        Become a “fan” of another team will you?

  • ReleaseTheKarlsson

    POSITIVITY! THIS WILL DEFINITELY HELP THE TEAM SUCCEED NEXT YEAR! NO MORE NEGATIVITY CAUSING THE PLAYERS/COACHING/OWNERSHIP TO STINK SO MUCH! CHIRP HELPING THE CAUSE! HELL YA!

    • SensChirp

      Just doin’ my part

  • runningbear1974

    If Lazar doesn’t make the team this year… Could he still come up and play in the playoffs? If his team is done playing?

    • Kohlmanator

      I believe so yes, but the 9 game rule for burning a year off his contract still applies.

    • Not Eugene Melnyk

      Yeah after the CHL season is done a player can go anywhere including the AHL.

  • Zelle

    My favorite part of the negativity rant, and it did give me a good chuckle, was giving grief over Chirp bashing the owner and then saying how we shouldn’t blame him, but then proceeding to blaming Chirp.

  • Deadly

    Three potential World Juniors, that would be great.Last year we had to wait for every 3 or 4 shifts.

  • Miguel

    Now that was too optimistic Chirp… cmon take the rose coloured glasses off would you?
    Peluso would not approve!
    Agree with all, but I cannot remember the last Junior to come out of OHL and play directly for the Sens. Would love for Lazar to be that guy, but you and I both know that contracts will dictate who stays and who goes.
    It will be interesting how they hanldle Ceci, no way in hell he should go down over some of the others who have contracts.
    And the other piece of the puzzle that will interest me is Prince… after his remarks about wanting out… time to put up or shut up in training camp!

    • Billy Bob

      Lazar plays in the WHL, figure it out ya joke.

      • Zelle

        This was probably one of Miguel’s best posts IMO, you pick an odd thing to critique lol I know I can hardly keep all those leagues straight in my head.

        • Miguel

          For one who is certainly not a big fan of mine Zelle, I do appreciate the support, thank you

          • Zelle

            No problemo! We see things differently, that’s all, no reason to abandon civility and respect. Even if it is the internet haha.

      • Miguel

        you fool, he does not play in World Hockey League…he plays in Canada!

  • cups

    I will slap contender status on them! I might as well as I put $50 on them winning the cup. just seems like a good idea at 50-1 odds…

  • Max Power

    I would love to see this group come up together and play to potential, wish legwand didn’t have that second year… phillips as well

    mac – turris – stone
    puemple – zib – ryan
    hoffman – lazar – chiasson
    pageau – smith – greening

    methot – karlsson
    ceci – cowen
    gryba – weircoch

    Lehner
    whoever

    • Jakester

      Puempel isn’t ready to play in the NHL yet, he needs work on his skating and his two way play. Where’s Michalek in the Czech Republic?

  • Sens613

    Love this new positive attitude approach and the comment about the interim Norris holders.

  • MethotToMyMadness

    Dude, you totally blew my upcoming SensChirp Hockey pool draft strategy talking about how good Anderson and Ryan will be this season. Previous injury seasons and contract years are a major win, when picking your players. Darn you!!!

    Liked all the points, fun read. It’s been awhile since you just had fun with it Chirp, happy to see.

    As for me, I’m interested in seeing what Chiasson brings to the table for Ottawa. He’s a younger guy, also looking to impress. He’s big, plays with an edge, likes to get dirty and provides some of that grit we’ve all been asking for. And to be fair, Legwand is somewhat like that too. We are a different team this year, maybe not as talented, but we won’t be easy to play against. Much like the Pesky Sens of old. Bring Pesky back boys!!!

  • Eric Lapointe

    Thanks Chirp. Helped a bit, but unless you can promise me that we’ll eventually be spending $$$ when the time is right (not just for an expiring contract if we’re on the cusp of a playoff spot), then I can only get half excited.

    Beat this:

    MacArthur – Turris – Ryan
    Michalek – Legwand – Stone
    Hoffman – Zibanejad – Chiasson
    Greening/Condra – Smith – Neil

    • Zelle

      MacArthur – Turris – Ryan
      Michalek – Legwand – Stone
      Hoffman – Zibanejad – Chiasson
      Smith – Lazar – Condra
      Neil

      Boom.

      • Aaron 2.0

        Love, love, love your 4th line! Doubt they’ll play Neil like that, but I can dream. Could be a tough spot for development for Lazar, but still love the idea of letting him start there, and starting with a smaller role. You could still role 4 lines, so he’d still get minutes anyways.

      • Sensnation

        Neil on the bench?

        • Zelle

          Played like Kassian was last season, maybe a bit more, but really just for teams that like to try and pick on other teams. Less games might improve his overall performance too as he’s really slowing down.

          • Rafi Bomb

            That doesn’t make any sense. We aren’t really that tough of a team to begin with and you want to make our toughest player a healthy scratch on a regular basis?

            On top of that, you want to play Condra in his spot? A guy who is an inferior player in almost all aspects of the game aside from PK. Even if you were to somehow justify that Neil should be a healthy scratch, you could have at the very least put a superior player in that spot.

            Looking at your roster I see that Greening is missing and while his isn’t overly tough or intimidating, he does add somewhat to the toughness and physicality of our team. I am also going to go out on a limb here and speculate that Boro would also be a healthy scratch on a regular basis as well. So if that is the case then your roster is bordering on Detroit RedWings level of softness.

            With the identity that the Sens are trying to go with next season, they could use more tough players not less. It seems like there are quite a number of Sens fans operating under the fallacy that big = tough.

          • cups

            legwand looks pretty tough in his mugshot, any one know what he benches?

          • Rafi Bomb

            He is a gritty player, but he doesn’t necessarily have a big edge to his game.

            If you look at our roster, we have plenty of size, but not a lot of players that you would classify as mean or nasty. Aside from Neil, Boro and Smith, there isn’t many players that opposing teams would hate to play against. That is one of the things that is lacking with this group and is something that management should address.

          • cups

            ya I agree, I think part of our, and managements, hope for cowen is that he develops this kinds of mean-streak-ness. there’s meth’s hip that is beginning to be feared but I get that there is a toughness lacking and it will be interesting to see whose shoulders it falls upon.. maybe that was why we kept hearing about Stewart?

          • Rafi Bomb

            One of the problems with a guy like Cowen is that he lacks consistency in his physicality. He can be a force at times, but often he doesn’t use his size to his advantage.

            Looking at the roster, there are a number of players that can provide some decent physicality, but the issue it that it isn’t in their nature to play that way. Therefore they end up being very inconsistent in that aspect of their games. They try on occasion but often times end up resorting back to just playing and not really fully actualizing their advantage in size and strength.

            A good example of this is Colin Greening. Greening is one of the strongest guys in the NHL but he doesn’t really have any nastiness to his game. If he could ever learn to play with some hostility and aggressiveness he would instantly be a fan favourite, but because he can’t, most fans are fed up with him.

            Overall I see this as the failed strategy of Sens management over the last 7 years. They have constantly tried to build a big team and then hope that they can turn big players into tough players. They have slowly started to move away from that with their drafting, but they still tend to build their NHL team with that failed model.

            The best solution for this is (given the type of player we can realistically acquire via trade or free agency) is a super pest and a heavyweight enforcer. As much as those players have limitations to their games and aren’t necessarily preferred by some fans, what they tend to do a great job of is building animosity in games. They held instil the emotion and help to create hospitality and rivalries among organizations. So rather than asking our big players to play with an edge, we can simply employ players that instill emotion into games and as a result into their team mates. We have already seen Zibanejad play some of his best hockey when he has been fired up, so if we could add some players that can fire things up, it could be the best way to get the best hockey out of him.

          • cups

            i agree on greening, but they knew he was a brain (not in the hockey sense) along with the ‘perfect physical specimen’ when they got him.

            not sure about their drafting model being a failure, i always saw it as more of a ‘get size so they can stand up to the brutes while actually playing hockey’ sorta thing. i could be wrong obviously.

            i get the sense that the kind of guy you’d like to see is a marchand? he’s available right? plays the game two-ways, gets under the skin, definitely a pest. its funny that we are all almost ready to run neil out of town when he’s a guy that fits those descriptions, and has the body to back it up, or at least used to and still tries to.

          • Zelle

            Cowen definitely needs to use his size more, like when he stepped up for Smith against Montreal during the line brawl. We need that Cowen.

          • cups

            hah, I checked, the dude has one fight registered from the o in 98-99…

          • Aaron 2.0

            Personally, I see Condra’s game as superior in every facet outside of toughness. Condra is a defensively responsible player that drives possession and kills penalties. The biggest knock seems to be that he misses on a lot of seemingly sure goals. I can’t deny that. But, the fact that he misses them means that he’s doing everything right (i.e. he’s contributing to the play and getting scoring chances, except not finishing). On a fourth line, if you’re driving possession and staying on the right side of +/-, I’m not really sure what more you want out of him. Even on a terrible year like last year, he was a +/- 0 for the entire year.

            Neil on the flip side is a defensive nightmare. Even if he scores more, he’s not winning the goals for versus goals against battle. Also worth pointing out Neil had only 2 goals more than Condra, but 4 assists less than Condra last year. And, he was a -10. So, basically Condra had more points and was +10 better relative to Neil.

            Making Neil the 13th guy, who could be moved into the lineup when necessary seems right to me. Fighting isn’t what it use to be. I believe even Toronto is starting to realize that. They dropped a bunch of their tough guys.

          • Rafi Bomb

            Which tough guy did Toronto drop? Nonis said in the post season presser that he expects Orr and McLaren to be a big part of their 4th line going forward.

            With Calgary loading up on toughness, a lot of you will be in for a shock in regards to how much fighting will occur this season.

          • cups

            really? i thought they were both done? or was that just a last ditch effort to salvage the season?

          • Aaron 2.0

            Maybe I’m wrong. It was my impression that both Orr and McLaren would be getting pushed by young guys for spots. But, even so, the overall trend is for a decrease in fighting majors. If we are playing Toronto or Calgary, and they have that sort of player in the lineup, then by all means I’m for inserting Neil. I just don’t get playing him 82 games in front of others. Half of the battles he ends up in are in front of his own net because any line with him on it inevitably is hemmed in their own zone.

          • Jakester

            I agree, he costs us 4-5 games a year with his bonehead penalties. He’s not what he used to be.

          • Sensnation

            Neil isn’t a pure fighter.

          • Aaron 2.0

            Didn’t say that he was. It’s just that I feel there are now better options than him on L4. I do fully expect him to play 82 games. Management will treat him right. Just wish that he wouldn’t be based on his current state of play.

          • Sensnation

            Who is doing his role better? Smith doesn’t fight as well/much and seems to get called for more stupid penalties. Greening, Legwand, and even Chiasson are not able to take on the guys Neil does or create the forecheck fear he does. I don’t see how there’s a better option.

          • Aaron 2.0

            Okay, we won’t agree, so I promise I’ll just go back w/ you a few times, and let it be after that.

            If we’re talking fighting, then I agree w/ you, he’s the guy. But, you’re saying he’s more than a fighter. I agree he was, and for the most part still is more than a fighter. But, I also think major parts of his game have diminished. I do like what he can do on a forecheck in the offensive zone. The problem for me is that he is barely ever in the o-zone anymore. Any line he’s on spends way more time in their own zone. Unfortunately, there, he is a disaster. Don’t think it was always the case. Just think he’s slowed down, and it’s hurting him there most.

          • Sensnation

            I appreciate the convo and understand your viewpoint. He has definitely gotten older. In my opinion his role is a critical one that few can play. The balance between scrapping with heavyweights and pulling a regular shift is one of the toughest. I’m hoping the off year by his two linemates, as well as their usage, led to some of those issues you mentioned. I’d still dress him over most of our young guys and upcoming prospects, especially given how young our roster is.

          • Don Ciccio

            I don’t know if Neil was injured last year or if it is just him getting older but it also seemed like his fighting skills diminished last year as well. He wasn’t winning fights that he should have been….BJ Crombeen fight comes to mind.

          • Aaron 2.0

            The truth about it for sure is that Neil will play. Perhaps if that fourth line is used more as a fourth line, things will look better, and any issues will be sort of minimized. Overall, I also get we are a very young team. Neil is certainly a guy that can actually get the team going when necessary. The RW just looks busy right now. Ryan, Stone, Chiasson, Cronda, Neil. A lot of youth there. But, I think even Stone is a pretty safe bet. In reality, there will be injuries, and I’m sure they’ll all probably play regularly. If they are all healthy, someone will probably have to move off of that wing, and I guess problem solved!

          • Sensnation

            Agreed, I could see one of Condra, Neil or even Ryan, Stone going offwing to fit them all. Still hoping a trade opens things up a bit.

          • Zelle

            I get your toughness issue but when Neil was hurt and out of the lineup the Sens didn’t really get pushed around any more than they already did. Plus now the new group has Chiasson and Legwand who are grittier, and if Lazar makes the cut I expect him to throw his body around as well.

          • Sensnation

            I disagree, I think we got pushed around without him. I do agree we are a bigger and slightly grittier team this year.

          • Jakester

            I agree, plus we have a couple big D as well.

          • Zelle

            That’s easy if you want Greening over Condra or Neil over Condra/Pageau/Lazar:

            Greening – Smith – Pageau
            Greening – Smith – Lazar
            Smith – Pageau / Lazar – Neil
            Smith – Pageau / Lazar – Condra

            Fourth line is really up for grabs at this point. I expect the middle 6 forward group to be practically interchangeable and the fourth line to be flipped around a lot to see who deserves the spots.

          • Sensnation

            Neil is a much better player than Kassian ever was. That’s such an insult that fans are making that comparison and then expecting him to be healthy scratched in that fashion. Neil is an every day player!

          • Aaron 2.0

            I don’t really expect management to do it at all. It’s sort of the Phillips situation. He’s earned his ice time based on his past work, so he’ll play a regular shift. But, if it was based on last year alone, I think it’s very debatable if Neil’s a top 12 player on this team. But, for sure he’s a much better player than Kassian. There’s no debate there.

          • Sensnation

            The sad part is that people are debating it. Just like it was sad that everyone called his contract overpaid when there were plenty of gms lining up to pay him more. He’s more than a fighter, but fans don’t give him much respect anymore. And no, I don’t think it’s debatable if he was top 12, he definitely was!

          • Aaron 2.0

            Not so much “was” in the past tense. “Is” in the present. He deserves nothing but respect. Getting old is just a b*tch. That’s all. I thought it hit him hard last year.

          • Sensnation

            Sounds like the same thing people have said about every older player on this team. Blame the veterans, look forward to the untapped potential of youth.

          • Floridasensfan

            I love Neil and what he brings, One of my favorite players to watch.
            Love seeing him lay someone out with a big good hit, players fear him and they should. Neil is heat and soul player and Senator.
            Text book great fourth line player.

          • Zelle

            No debate from me. Hands down he’s better. He’s a Senator true and true and people should give him a lot of respect for that imo. I don’t want him traded or bought out or anything, I would like him to retire a Senator when the time comes. I just like the idea of maybe reserved minutes.

            I might be showing my ignorance here but if we dress a 17th forward does it cost more than dressing 16? Is that why the team won’t do it and instead opts for the press box?

          • Zelle

            I love Neil. He’s far and away better than Kassian. But like Phillips, I think they should be limited on ice time just because they have slowed down. Can you really sit Pageau, Lazar, or Condra for Neil? You can make an argument for Condra but I would rotate between Lazar/Pageau, Condra, and Neil, and keep Smith every game on the LW.

            No disrespect to any players on the team from me.

          • Sensnation

            I love Pageau more than most. I would do almost anything to get him in the lineup, but sitting Neil is not one of those things. If Lazar is truly ready, I would sit Condra or Greening over Lazar, to get him in, but not Neil. Condra may be a PK specialist, but we have plenty of PK capables on our team.

          • Zelle

            I guess I like Condra because he’s reliable. Sure he may not give you a bunch of goals, but he’ll carry the puck, retrieve the puck, pressure the opposition during line changes, calm under pressure, no stupid penalties, and seems to be able to play with anyone. He definitely has his faults, and he definitely won’t wow anyone, but I am not scared of something going horribly wrong when he’s on the ice lol

          • Sensnation

            I see Condra as the perfect complement to a top heavy team. Allows you to save money without losing posession or even defensively. However a deep middle heavy team like we have, has too many people who can play his role slightly worse while putting up better production. Condra was like the Spezza handicap.

          • Zelle

            I see your point. He could definitely be replaceable if no lines spark. Shame he doesn’t play LW. Ahh it’s just too crowded on the fourth line right now haha.

          • Sensnation

            Haha, and that’s the fan’s 4th line. Coach could always just pull a 2013-14 again.

            Agree on the LW thing. Or if he and Greening could combine into 1 player.

          • Zelle

            Greening/Condra morph would almost be the perfect player if they scored collectively a little more xD

            I still have faith in Maclean! And the team for that matter. I’m super excited for the season to start.

    • cups

      i think after this season, the cash will flow, and the players will want to play here. thats really when we can spend, when ottawa is a desirable destination for fa’s. not to mention any pieces we have up for trade will have increased in value.

      • Sandy

        Have you awaken from your dream yet?

        • cups

          just you wait.. just you wait

    • HamadBo$$

      I would rather have Zibanejad on the second line

      • Eric Lapointe

        Is he ready? I don’t think it would hurt to start with sheltered 3rd line minutes. I’d personally like to see Hoffman get 2nd line minutes ahead of Michalek, but I was trying to do a nice mix of young guys with vets.

  • my2sens

    Positivity:

    MacArthur (0.24 gpg) – Turris (0.22 gpg) – Ryan (0.38 gpg)
    Michalek (0.29 gpg) – Zibanejad (0.19 gpg) – Chiasson (0.22 gpg)
    Hoffman (0.24 gpg*) – Legwand (0.22 gpg) – Stone (0.24 gpg*)
    Greening (0.16 gpg) – Smith (0.13 gpg) – Neil (0.12 gpg) or Condra (0.10)

    Methot (0.04 gpg) – Karlsson (0.20 gpg)
    Wiercioch (0.12 gpg**) – Ceci (0.18 gpg***)
    Cowen (0.07 gpg) – Gryba (0.04 gpg)
    Phillips (0.06 gpg)

    So with that we should net an average of 3.3 goals per game. The best last year was Anaheim at 3.21. Pittsburgh with Crybaby (who has 0.49 gpg, but who cares) sat at 2.95, Cup Champions Kings at 2.42.

    Now defence last year seemed dreadful (3.15ga/g), however with solid goaltending and defence (such as 2012) where we average 2.08 ga/g we will be fine.

    *Hoffman & Stone haven’t been in the NHL long enough to validate, however I believe could each reach 20 goals if they stay with the club
    **Wiercioch I have pegged for 10 goals this year
    ***Ceci I believe could net 15 goals

    (all the numbers are averages of their careers)

    • my2sens

      And to answer your question Dave… what I look forward to most is the City not asking/forcing us to bike to these games :-)

    • cups

      I’d be willing to bet karlsson break 20 goals next year (0.24+gpg). and I think cowen is a safe bet to break 0.10gpg, call me crazy but as bad as he was last year he did net a few that surprised me, albeit some were softies.

      • Zelle

        Actually his offense wasn’t bad, because he can actually think while the Senators are in control of the play. It’s when they are being backed up and pressured that things start to fall apart. As long as things are structured he’s fine.

        Examples, Good Decisions:
        Holding the blue line / point
        Holding opposition to the outside when the opposing team is fairly stationary on the PP
        Passing the puck in the defensive zone on opposition change
        Carrying the puck through neutral zone on a Senators rush

        Examples, Bad Decisions:
        Keeping coverage on “his” guy when the opposition forwards are skating and puck passing quickly and/or changing positions
        Puck passing in the defensive zone as one or more forwards are skating towards him
        Situational positioning on an opposition rush
        Using his body (hit, position) vs using his stick (poke, takeaway) as the puck carrier crosses the defensive blue line

        • cups

          I’d be interested to see it again, but don’t let me dictate your studies. I know what I saw and I hope it develops (along with the thinking thing)

          • Zelle

            Honestly it wouldn’t be any more “work” (I use the term work lightly haha) than what I am doing now, I would just be capturing extra clips.

    • Billy Bob

      Ceci with 15? Take er easy, I agree he’ll get there but he’s still young give it a couple of years.

    • Sensnation

      Those are some very positive numbers. 20 goals is a lot more difficult to reach than just having Hoffman playing in the NHL imo. I like the positivity but you can’t just add career avgs together as that doesn’t take icetime into account, as the 3.3g/gm shows.

    • Not Eugene Melnyk

      Cool post. nice work!

    • Frankie Fives

      15 goals for Ceci? How did you come up with that number? Not many NHL D-men score 15 goals a year. Even Wiercoch at 10 is high. 20 goals each for Stone and Hoffman… what???

      I like your positive attitude but if the numbers you suggest actually happen, this team should win the Cup next season

      • JAY79

        I agree that is optimistic but even if you cut their numbers to 10 goals for each of Stone and Hoffman and 20 goals combined for both Ceci and Weircoch (therefore 40 goals from all 4, which is still being optimistic but attainable) the Sens would still average around 3 goals/game if everyone else sticks to their career averages (assuming they still can without being insulated by a true No. 1 Center). I personally think the Defense and Goaltending will be a problem more than the goal scoring but we’ll have to wait and see.

        • Sensnation

          Hoffman has 3 goals in 29 NHL games, .24g/gm would be quite an improvement. Legwand did not produce up to his norm last year and it would be hard to expect him to. Really for each young guy who we hope could match or improve their career numbers there’s another one that doesn’t line up. It’s easy to see how the 3.3 estimate turns back into the 2.88 we put last year.

          The key will be to improve defensively!

          • JAY79

            Definitely I agree, the defense is going to be a problem for us. Pretty much the entire defense and goaltenders will have to have to be better than they were last year and I personally think that’s being unrealistic. Stranger things have happened and anything is possible lol.

          • Sensnation

            They should be able to improve, last year was worst case scenario with both goalies a bit shaky, 2 of our top 4 D recovering from big injuries and very little chemistry between pairings. Our forwards should also be better defensively this year, the biggest fear is that top heavy teams will dominate the puck against our theoretically “lower skill” levels.

          • JAY79

            Don’t get me wrong, I can see many players on this team being better than they were last year but some won’t be. Some might even regress a bit but for the most part, I think you’re right that we’ll have trouble with the top heavy “elite” teams in the league. At first I was thinking we should tank and go for McDavid but given the team we have, I don’t see us as a lottery team but more as a bubble playoff team. If you think about it, as bad as we were last year, we still only missed the playoffs by 5 points. I think we can make it this year :)

          • Sensnation

            Exactly, and we have to remember that we had 2 extra teams compared to the west, which made us look farther than it should have been.

            I agree, I think we are too good to get McDavid by anything other than complete lottery luck. Playoffs within sight, should be a fun season!

      • WaitingSince92

        *, ** & *** = best case scenarios

    • Brutus5247

      MAybe look at points per game to give a better comparison. There are often two people who help set up the goals.

      • JAY79

        That’s why goals/game is a better measure because no two players can share a goal.

        • Brutus5247

          WOw, somebody sets up the goal scorer. Thats why an assist is the same as a goal.

    • WaitingSince92

      I like the research and effort, but this kind of math never turns out to be correct; not just because of injuries, but the likelihood of so many players scoring as expected is pretty slim. Also, it doesn’t take into account where players are in their careers (ie Zibanjed’s production is likely to increase, whereas Michalek’s is more likely to drop off), which might be the most important factor.

  • The Apostle

    I’m hoping for the return of the pesky sens.

    • cups

      I think we will get what we want

  • Frankie Fives

    I think that if we’re going to go with a positive approach, first thing Chirp needs to do is ban Tooks for life…

    • cups

      ya but with that dude around we don’t have to use a bell curve

  • bpa

    Not being negative, but is Z-bad healthy? Wasn’t there a weird passing out episode at end of last season?
    Hoping all of Chirp’s 8 come true. I add #9 as coaches play PW every game and he impresses us all!

    • WaitingSince92

      To answer your questions in order: Yes. Yes.

  • Billy Bob

    I think we need to relax a bit with the hype, I believe Lazar is going to be an outstanding player and leader for this club. The 9 game stint might be good because while he has already won the memorial cup, I wouldn’t mind seeing him dominate in the WHL for another year and maybe fine tune his game a bit, especially if they see him as a center. We have four capable guys right now, no need to rush him at all.

  • Sandy

    Don’t need Rev up the Red or whatever other ‘Red’ slogan the Sens come up with – it’s all about Bringing Pesky Back.

    I want a team that competes hard every game. We don’t know how this will end up at season’s end but I want the opponents to know they were in a hockey game.

    Off topic

    What is this Chirp? There is trouble in the paradise known as the Detroit Red Wings and their bloggers?

    • TookieIs100PercentRight

      When we were Pesky Anderson had Hasek-like numbers, just saying that might not be something that can be relied on.

      • Sandy

        Maybe not, but he is in a contract year.

        • Brutus5247

          Spezza can’t win the battle a minus for everyone.

      • Zelle

        Listen to Lehner’s interviews about last season versus this season and you’ll see why both of their numbers were much, much better. Doesn’t it seem odd that both goal tenders had great years in ones season and then both had bad years in the next? Me thinks it wasn’t just the goalies.

  • Harv

    I’ve got the Turris line with 95 goals this year; the Z’Bad line with 50; the Legwand line with 55; and the Smith line with 30. That gives us 240 from the forwards. I have Karlson with 25, Methot with 5, Ceci with 12, Gryba with 4, Cowen with 8 and Weircoch with 10. That gives us 64 from the defence for a total of 304 for the year.

    • Sensnation

      That’s almost 40 more goals than the best team last year. I look forward to bringing home the cup! ;)

      • Harv

        Hmmm! Maybe a little too positive? I’ll knock it down by 20% and we still get a bunch of goals.

        • Sensnation

          It’s not impossible. It will be fun to see 4 lines going again, it’s been a while. Cautious optimism is warranted with this group.

    • Jakester

      Those D numbers are a little too high, Cowen might get 2 or 3 max.

      • Jordan Cunning

        do any of you look at stats? I get it Cowen had a bad year last year but hes still a big piece of are future. and he had 6 goals last year

    • PraiseAlfie11

      30 goals from smith greening and neil? Not a chance.

      I think the focus should be goals against, not goals for.

      • Jordan Cunning

        you dont think neil greening and smith cant get 5 more goals then last year?

        • Pasky

          I don’t because they played some big minutes last year, and with our first three lines more balanced and with more offensive punch
          I hope PMac plays them less next year.
          If that happens I wouldn’t be surprised if they regress instead of improve.

    • Frankie Fives

      So all 3 of Turris, Mac and Ryan will get 30 goals? ZBad’s line totals I can agree with. Legwand is again high if his line gets 2B minutes and a 4th line of 30 is way high

      The D numbers are much too high. Karlsson with 25? Ceci with 12? Cowen 8???

      I like the positive attitude people are exuding today but let’s scale it back to reality please :)

    • Pasky

      Yea as mentioned some lofty projections but way to commit to a positive attitude. I’ll leave my own projections below, but for the record it’s less about what I think and more about what I hope happens, as long as players play good.

      1st line – 80 (CMac, Turris, Ryan)
      2nd line – 50 (Michalek, Legwand, Chiasson)
      3rd line – 40 (Hoffman, Zibanejad, Stone)
      4th line – 20 (Greening, Smith, Neil)

      Methot-Karlsson – 23
      Cowen-Ceci – 12
      Phillips-Gryba – 5

      Goali…. NVM

      That gives us 2.8 goals per game, which equals the amounts as last year almost. And I feel like it might be a little bit lofty considering Spezza was replaced by Legwand, but at the same time our young players should be better than last year and the addition could even everything out. I think our defence improving will be a bigger factor then our goal scoring abilities next season.

      • WaitingSince92

        Kinda hoping Zibanejad and Chiasson click on the second line, giving us a little more youth, but these look like modest, attainable totals.

      • Harv

        So, we are somewhere between 230 and 305. Not too bad for a developing team. I had Ryan at 40, Turris at 25 and Mac at 25. But, 80 probably is more realistic. My second line was Z’Bad with Stone and Michalek. I had Z’Bad at 20, Stone at 15 and Michalek at 15. I had Legwand with Hoffman and Chaisson with Legwand at 25, Chaisson and Hoffman at 15 apiece. I kept the numbers higher for the third line because I see more TOI for these guys while Z’Bad develops.

  • Nathan Kimmett

    I agree those are great things to look forward too but I think there will be more than 8… I have a gut feeling this team is gonna look fairly decent this season. Dare I say prooving Melnyks theory of “cap teams rarley win cups” – correct…

    • Sandy

      That’s bullpoop. Chicago won twice in 3 yrs they are a cap team. LA spent to the cap last season.
      Melnyk is just trying to appease the fans by saying that.

      • Jakester

        Ok, that’s why they’ll be trading Sharp to us.

      • JAY79

        Not that I’m standing up for Melnyk because I can’t stand the guy but look at Chicago’s predicament now. Kane and Toews’ contracts will be taking up approx. 1/3 of the entire team’s cap lol.

        • Sandy

          That’s true, but the cap will be going up even slightly. They have young guys to come in to fill spots.
          But they need to do something after this season to try to fit in under. They need to clear a little bit this season as well.
          I think in the future Hossa & Sharp are gone.

    • Jakester

      I agree dude, Sens will be an interesting team, more than 1 way to skin the cat(figure of speech,sorry SPCA).

      • FBP

        My cat read this over my shoulder and now she’s crying. Thanks Jak-ass-ter.

        • Zelle

          First time I really honestly laughed all day, thank you.

    • Sensnation

      I guess if you think of it as 3-5 cap teams a year and best case only 1 of them can win it in a given year, the success rate would be low compared to attempts. But a lot of cap teams win cups too.

  • SensChirp
    • Jakester

      I don’t understand that tweet.

    • Zelle

      LOL

    • Dirtysweetness

      Why feed the trolls Chirp? Not worth your time…

      • SensChirp

        Just thought it was hilarious after yesterday’s “too negative” comment.

        • Doc

          STOP PLAYING MIND GAMES, CHIRP!

          • Deadly

            Is that your diagnosis?

        • Frankie Fives

          We should start a new section to debate this subject

        • WaitingSince92

          Next thing you know, people will be complaining that you’re too “middle-of-the-road, sometimes yes, sometimes no”.

          Maybe PB13 IS 383, or whatever that guy’s handle was.

    • KJ

      Really? Sleazy is never a word I would of even thought of to describe you. :)

  • Amanuel Dawit

    yo i beleive the sens will take the 2 wild card, play Tampa, win, and lose to Boston in Rd 2, i have a CHI-BOS final again, and CHI wins the cup again!

  • Zelle

    Oh another positive!

    Not starting the season with Corvo on D.

    • Deadly

      Losing a plus minus -32 or so but should this have a separate post.

    • WaitingSince92

      We don’t have Uh Oh Corvo but we do still have stone-twig Big Rig for our defensive gaffs.

      • Zelle

        I know Phillips is unpopular but he is so much better than Corvo.

        • WaitingSince92

          Right you are. I was just trying to think of a pejorative rhyme for Big Rig. Gotta admit though, he’s got a tendency to make those errors where you’re not even angry, you just feel bad for him because it’s embarrassing.

        • KJ

          He hits and blocks shots. Guys like Neil and others respect him. I will be fine with him as long as doesn’t turn the puck over in his own zone. But I have a feeling this coming year will be better defensively as forwards will be coming back, so he should benefit from that.

    • Sensnation

      Best news all summer!

  • Nikola Todorić

    I don’t understand this whole negativity thing. Being realistic is more than acceptable. I like the direction the team is taking, but players leaving because management doesn’t want to invest to win is concerning….

    Everytime someone suggests any trade proposal or signing the immediate argument they get… “uh budget” but yet people defend Melnyk.

    Anyway.

    I like a lot of the roster if the players play as hard as they did 2 years ago we might be able to make the playoffs and maybe even win a round. But at the end of the day, it’s all irrelevant if we can’t contend with the best like Chicago, LA, Pitts, Boston, NYR, DET

    • Zelle

      Pretty much why I’m not concerned we are technically still rebuilding. Even with Spezza and Alfie could this team really beat CHI, LAK, BOS, NYR in a best of seven, playoff style?

      • KJ

        no chance.

    • Sensnation

      Any team adapting our new 200 foot defensive style of hockey can go deep in the playoffs on a hot goalie. I believe, much like last year, this will be a growth year for the young guys, with potential to snag a playoff spot. Either way though the future is still bright, despite how hard it’s been to move on from the core of our last attempt at a cup.

    • Tooks

      And which direction is that? Being realistic right now, the Sens Org isnt looking good, the team has many glaring holes and not alot of high end prospects in the system.

      Can anyone tell me what kind of team we are? Are we rebuilding or are we a playoff team? Its one or the other, cant be in the middle and that is exactly where we are. Lost in mediocrity.

      Its not all doom and gloom but hell its far from roses…

      • Nikola Todorić

        Honestly bro, you’re spot on. The last time I posted the exact same thing you just said, with a little bit of Melnyk bashing on top, I was grilled and told that I’m a troll.

        The only thing I like is how they are trying to bring in character players… or so they claim. I also like our goaltending and of course EK65.

        Being mediocre sucks more than rebuilding. You rebuild to become a contender, not to be in the middle of the pack. But it is what it is… this is the best it gets if we don’t spend.

        I’m also certain Bobby Ryan, who has somehow developed into one of favorite players, leaves and signs elsewhere for the same reasons Spezza and Alfie did.

    • Dirk-Diggler

      hey Niko…
      Interested in playing ball hockey this year?

      • Nikola Todorić

        Depends who’s asking :)
        Is that tournament at RA?

        • Dirk-Diggler

          Nepean Sports Plex… remember when you bailed on me last year? :P

          • Nikola Todorić

            You have the memory of a girlfriend that doesn’t forget lol ;)

            Apologies for that once again. I play ice hockey twice a week so it’s enough sports for me but why don’t you email me if you ever need a spare… I’m just down the road.

  • Jakester
    • Jakester

      Looking good, and you know what, I’m more excited about Nick Paul. This trade will end up being REAL good!

      • Tooks

        I doubt either plays for the Sens in the near future. Since they werent our prospects, they wont get a fair shake over our own prospects…Unless they blow the competition out of the water.

        • zippy

          That is an interesting point. GMs prefer their own prospects. That said, maybe BM was watching them and was interested.

          Maybe the plan all along was to flip them for E. Kane or Sharp. Who knows.

        • KJ

          don`t be too quick to dismiss them. did you see Guptill and Paul at the Dev camp? They were both very noticeable on the ice. Guptill has great hands, size and speed. Paul is more power forward type, with good size and soft hands.

  • Jordan Cunning

    i dont know why every one gets excited about a couple of good games. Thats what stone had a couple good games on the top line with Turris and MacArthur the rest of the year he was nothing special. He could be good this year but i wouldent say he is a for sure nhl talent good news still plenty of players that are around his skill level.

    • Doc

      Wat

      • Jordan Cunning

        fantastic reply.

        • WaitingSince92

          Well, that’s a couple more than most players on the Sens last year, and he only played 19 games due to injury.

        • WaitingSince92

          He’s been coming along for a while too, so this isn’t out of nowhere.

        • Doc

          That’s what your silly comment deserves.

    • zippy

      Oh man we are not on the same page.

      He played 18 games. 4 goals 4 assists.
      Projected to 82 games we’re looking at 16 goals, 16 assists.

      I saw him play. He was way ahead of their D for most of the games, and setting up our guys (Turris, Mac) repeatedly…our second line. And he overpowered their D many times as well. Announcers were raving about his footspeed, and how he had improved his physical play.

      This guy is gonna rock.

      • Jordan Cunning

        The guy seems to get injured a decent amount wouldn’t call him injury prone just yet but hes getting there. I just dont see anything special about him that will make him a consistent top 6 player. I see stone as a 3rd liner at best this year with people like lazar puempel prince and hoftman all pushing to be in the line up stone is by far a lock to be on the team for the whole year.

        • Billy Bob

          Wow man, check out the games once in a while, he’s a top 6 guy for sure.

          • KJ

            He impressed me at the development camp, for sure. He doesn`t have Greening or Hoffman speed, but he is getting better.

          • Tooks

            Well I would agree he has better footspeed than Phillips and Cowen, maybe even Ryan but thats about it.

          • KJ

            lol. harsh critic. :) I actually don’t care if he is super fast, or not. I only care that he has improved his speed enough to be in the play and get open, so he can use the skills he was drafted for, which is scoring goals.

          • Billy Bob

            Agreed, you could see it last year. Stone is a goal scorer and a good one.

          • Jordan Cunning

            I watched 70 games this year are you sure you didn’t watch the 4 or so decent games he has had the kid could be good could be bad but in no way is he a top 6 for sure

          • Billy Bob

            Bud the guy’s a rookie, win’s so many battles, awesome passes, great shot, he was on pace for a 40 point rookie season. Top 6 material.

          • Miguel

            easy BB, so was Butler, DaCosta, Winchester, Greening, Regin etc. I do agree he has the makings of a top 6, but lets let him crack the lineup on a regular basis, before we anoint him top 6. Those increased expectations is what doomed some of these kids.

        • zippy

          You gotta be thinking faster than others to get ahead of the play (in real time). Which in my mind is part of the reason he’s a top 6.

          He’s big, fast (now), and a quick thinker.

      • Tooks

        Now I know you full of shit “Announcers were raving about his footspeed”…LOL

        That is the biggest area he has to work on, he is one of the slowest guys on the team in terms of footspeed.

        • zippy

          Sure….but he did work on it. It’s blatant. He has a great attitude.

          • Tooks

            He sure does but he doesnt have great footspeed…at all. He stole pucks cuz he was behind the D who was unnawares he was still trying to get back…lol.

          • zippy

            The point was he noticed it as a deficiency and continues to improve. Enough that many (more experienced than I) pointed it out.

          • ChiassonDownTheCup

            I’m sure by now you have come to understand that this goof named Tooks cannot interpret anything outside of his thoughts. Everyone knew what you meant, except him.

          • zippy

            Righto

    • Andrews theory

      Did you watch the world juniors?

      Stars in that tournament repeatedly turn into impact players. He’s a top 6 player without a shadow of a doubt

  • WaitingSince92

    One big positive for us hockey junkies next year is going to be the line combinations. So many possible combinations, even assuming MacArthur-Turris-Ryan is intact. Looks a lot different from last year with Stone, Chiasson, Hoffman, Lazar, Pageau, Grant, Borowiecki and Claesson (some locks, some long shots).

    Who will Zibanejad centre and will he take the open second line spot, or will Legwand be granted his wish for top 6 minutes? Will Cowen rebound to the 2nd or even first pairing or will he continue on a downward spiral? If the latter, who will be up in the press box with him?
    (for the record, I say, Zibby gets the 2nd line C and Cowen rebounds to the 2nd pairing)

    • zippy

      Another interesting side note is will Zibby fight Turris for #1 spot.

      Zibby plays a gritter game, but Turris has more chemistry with Mac and Ryan.

      • KJ

        Certainly lots of unknowns. I am excited for the young guys. Maybe not next year, but we will be a solid team the year after as they mature as pros.

      • MethotToMyMadness

        That is a very good question actually. Take a look at both Zibby and Turris, they are very much the same type of player, even build wise. Yes Zib is only a bit bigger and heavier, but they both skate low to the ice, with long strides and both have a great wrist shot. They protect the puck very similar and both have a right handed shot. Add the fact that they both play a 200 ft game, and you have a pretty good 1A/1B combination for years. Zibby is just a younger version with less experience, but with time, he will get to the same level as Turris.

        • zippy

          Yeah I’m really excited to see Zibby mature as a player.

          When he gets good enough, their D will have to choose who to stop. I look forward to that.

    • Tooks

      Alot of those combinations you will see in the bottom 6, most of them are bottom 6 players. Zib might start 2C but thats what they got Legwand for, Zib aint rdy yet.

    • Zelle

      I think they should let Borowiecki go unless they think he can be somewhat of a Neil replacement when the time comes. Grant and Stone are keepers. I think Pageau should be a keeper but I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s dealt. Chiasson, Hoffman, Lazar, and Claesson all have to prove themselves.

  • Jordan Cunning

    MacArthur-Turris-Ryan
    Michalek-Zibanejad-Chiasson
    puemple/Hoffman-Legwand-Stone/lazar
    Greening-Smith-Neil/Condra

    Third line wing is up for grabs could also shane prince grabbing a spot

    • Sensnation

      Prince, Hoffman, Lazar, Condra, Puempel, Pageau as well as others like Grant are all fighting for 1 spot in the lineup or to be the 13th forward. Though Prince may not be the worst of the group, he’ll be hard pressed to beat out some of the other players.

  • adamie

    we need to acquire Evander Kane for Wiercioch++
    and Cowen having a come back season

    Clarke MacArthur – Kyle Turris – Mark Stone
    Evander Kane – Mika Zibanejad – Bobby Ryan
    Milan Michalek – David Legwand – Alex Chiasson
    Colin Greening – Zack Smith – Chris Neil

    (EXTRA: Condra, Hoffman.. with Lazar getting a nice 9 game tryout)
    do not rush Lazar please as he is will be a great leader.

    Jared Cowen – Erik Karlsson
    Marc Methot – Cody Ceci
    Chris Phillips – Eric Gryba

    (EXTRA: Borowiecki)

    with these line ups, i can say ‘hello playoffs’ LOL I don’t know about you guys but those line ups look wonderful to me.

    • laffin681021

      I would assume a forward or two would be going back. Maybe greening. Then a 2nd at least.

    • SENSible Voice

      I could definitely get excited about that line-up. Not one that will be a cup contender this year but young enough that if stability sets in the organization, we could become a force 3-4 years down the road.

    • nb613

      Would this trade be enough to get Kane?

      Wier + Stone/Chiasson + 2015 2nd Rd (from Dallas)

      I read somewhere they were looking for a Top 4 D, Top 6 FW, and Pick

      • Tooks

        And you gave neither, except the pick.

      • Pasky

        It was a Top 4D, or Top 6F, with a prospect and a first. But they want a proven guy so Weircioch and Stone might not be enough as of today. The D they need is a left handed so Weir fits that description, but I think Cowen would be who they target as he’s proved to at least be able to play in a Top 6 role, although maybe sheltered minutes, but they would also be buying him low so Winnipeg can try and snag a better prospect or pick.

        Cowen, Stone & 2015 2nd would be as good of a package as I’d want BM to send, but whether or not we do it is something else.

  • Dirk-Diggler

    This summer is gorgeous but I still can’t wait for October!

  • sens_bud

    Add to the list the fact that we have 2 new prospects and one new young gun in Alex Chiassion that we get to watch after he had a strong rookie campaign.

    Heres to watching a physical 200ft team battle it out with exciting hockey.

    Also cant see this PP doing too bad. Playing the Umbrella.

    - Turris (left side, top cheese like you know how)
    - CMac (Net front or popping out high slot for the classic, down on one knee one timer)
    - Ryan (right side, snipe show – far side)
    - King Karl (Point, Boom – that is all)
    - PW (Point. Feed the boom, or cut the box and find Turris your buddy)

    • Dirk-Diggler

      And PP2:
      Stone-Zibanejad-Chiasson
      Hoffman-ceci

      • sprucesens

        thats a sexy 2nd unit. sadly it will probably feature CP4

        • Tooks

          CP4, Smith & Neil, if Pmac has his way, watch out!

  • MethotToMyMadness

    Chirp, see what a little fun and positive attitude can do? Reading all the posts, with exception to a few, most Chirpoholics are starting to turn a new leaf. We’ve went from bottom of the barrel to fighting for a playoff spoke and there is more and more talk about Bringing Pesky Back, which I completely agree with.

    I would LOVE to see the Sens use Pesky in it’s upcoming brand strategy, we should start a petition here and see if the Sens catch wind.

    I like the fact that we are looking at this team as a Pesky, hard to play against, 200FT team. That’s what we need to do, and if they accomplish that task, I think we’ll all be surprised. Have a great weekend Fans!!

    • Tooks

      I’m all for a hard working, pesky team but you need more than that to win the Cup. Our budget restrains us from getting over that hump. Until we can add star power, hard working and pesky will only get us so far.

      • zippy

        Agreed. Someone analyzed the last few that got to the finals. They all had a few start players.

        Sens: Spezza/Alfie/Heatley
        LA: Doughty/Kopitar/Carter/Gaborik

        Sens now: Karlsson/Ryan (Maybe)/MacArthur (Maybe)

        • Pasky

          I think calling MacArthur a star would be a stretch. Sure he had a good year with us but before that he was a 3rd line guy in TO, not completely his fault but still. He would be in the hard worker category, but on top of the list.

          I agree with Karlsson & Ryan being the only bonafide stars going into next season, and hopefully Ryan resigns at some point. Otherwise, I see Turris possibly taking the necessary step to become a star.

          Asides from that though we do currently lack that star power unless prospects turn out to become what we hope they can achieve. Zibanejad has the potential once he’s given a chance, but him being more of a compliment piece is realistic. I think if Lazar can reach potential then I see him being a Dustin Brown mold, hard nosed leader with offensive capabilities, but again star power may be limited.

          If Puemple can score 30 goals in the highest possible level, which he’s done in every other league he’s played in, then he could become another home grown star for us.

      • MethotToMyMadness

        Yeah, never said anything about star power to win. I’m just happy to see some people excited about a team that has to play Peksy to win games. The way I’m looking at it, it’s 1 game at a time. I really think PMac’s system will work better with this years team, than it did the year before. Very much like it did the first year he coached.

        • Tooks

          Sure, maybe it will, but we were nowhere closer to winning a Cup back when Pesky worked…We were mediocre…

          • Sensnation

            We went to the 2nd round as pesky. It was only the 6th time out of 14 that the Sens have made the playoffs and continued to the 2nd round. I’d say that’s a pretty good result for a team you’re calling mediocre, but again math right.

      • CR Sens

        You’re fun

  • A-Train
    • Spoons

      Somewhere in the great city of Dallas, someone giggled

    • my2sens

      Why can’t Matt Cooke do a stunt like that? And Chris Neil swing the club on behalf of EK?

      • my2sens

        Oh wait…. answered my own question.. he only has a pussy. NM.

  • ChampIsHere

    Zibanejad IS the real deal

    • Tooks

      What is it, his 3rd-4th year, he’s gonna have to show major improvements if he wants to stay at 2C.

      • SENSible Voice

        Agreed. Yes he is still young but a lot of 1st line centres made bigger impacts in less time than it has taken Zibby so far and he’s not close to being a #1C still. The positive thing here is that he has continued to improve year after year so he’s not in Cowen territory.

        • Tooks

          Exactly this. Hopefully Zbad shows he can handle the 2C or else its back to 3C for life…

          • Pasky

            I still believe with Legwand it will be a 2A/2B and not a 2nd and 3rd line. The minutes will probably be comparable, and chemistry will also have a major impact on how effective what line will be. And it’s not like Zibanejad has to prove he’s a first line center this season or else he never gets a chance again, as long as he takes another step in the right direction that’s all we can ask for.

            Last year he was sometimes used on the 4th line and played below 10 minutes a game with plugs, and yet he still pushed close to 0.5ppg, so he should be getting a better opportunity this year.

      • ChampIsHere

        He’s showed signs of real skill and strength (big no.1 centre everyone wants) but he’s never been given the chance to run with it like Turris has or a guy like Scheifele. He played wing with Spezza which didn’t do him justice, year before played with Silfverberg and Latendresse and Conacher (lol).

      • Rafi Bomb

        This seems like a pretty important year for Zibanejad. I see this as either a breakout year or an increased probability that he becomes a 2nd/3rd liner tweener.

        • Doc

          Yes, because clearly he’ll be considered a bust at 21.

          • Tooks

            Not bust as he was never projected to be a top 6. But if at 21-22 he hasnt shown major improvements with 3 years under his belt, then its quite obvious he belongs at 3C.

          • sprucesens

            let’s remember how turris came to us. He was used in checking roles, and not producing much. We brought him in and put him in a scoring role, and he’s been arguably our best forward since, both offensively, without sacrificing any defense. If we give zib a chance with top 6 type players, he will blossom just fine. We aren’t going to get a 80pt guy out of him, and that’s not really what we are looking for. We want guys who outscore the opposition while limiting goals against. If he can get 60 points and be +20, we should do well. Getting 80 points and being -20 isn’t as helpful

          • Sensnation

            What are you smoking today Tooks? Zibanejad was always projected as a 2nd line player, which for those like you who have trouble with math, is a top 6.

          • Doc

            Disagree. He was always projected to be a top 6 forward. He only has two seasons under his belt (9 games in first year doesn’t count) and has improved every year, even with the smaller role he was put in. All signs point to him definitely being ready for top 6 responsibilities and I hope we see this happen this season.

            I actually think he now has the potential to be top 3 if he continues his development. His advance stats are already very good for a 20 year old and he has all the tools to succeed.

            He’s 21 for crying out loud.

          • Jakester

            You’re an idiot. Go to the Leafs blogs and talk nonsense with all the other turds who know zip about hockey! You’ll be right at home.

  • http://www.hockeydrunk.com/ procdaddy

    I’m more excited about Lehner taking over than Anderson’s contract season. Ideally, I’d love to see Anderson playing well enough to fetch a pick/prospect. But if he’s playing that well. When does Lehner get starts?

  • Jordan Cunning

    People believe hype way to much in this fan base for one lazar has yet to play one game in the pros yet a little early to give the kid the keys to the city. Im excited for people like CC JC and PW when lazar gets his games in the nhl this season then i will decide if im excited about this guy. Right now im not excited for any of our prospect forwards

    • Kielbasa

      Now there’s that enthusiasm and excitement showing.

    • Rafi Bomb

      Then you must be depressed or apathetic because our current forward core is pretty weak and our prospects (Stone, Lazar, Puempel, etc) help maintain some optimism about the future of this organization.

  • Jordan Cunning

    I would trade greening prince wiercoch and a first in 2016 or a second and a third in 2015 this would be enough to make the go through and we could give up easily

    • Rafi Bomb

      What are we getting in return for all of that?

      • Tooks

        Not much…

        • Jordan Cunning

          I think we could get evander kane with that package i would also throw in another prospect who would be a couple years away

  • Miguel

    have to agree with Cunning, for the past 10 years we have been trying to groom a top 6 forward internally, can anyone name the last top 10 we groomed, that is not named Spezza Alfie,or Hossa or maybe Fisher ( can be argued )?
    Pretty scary if you ask me, and a big part of the reason Spezza probably wanted to leave, he was asked to play with all the past “for sure” top 6, who have all fizzled away.

    • Pasky

      Foligno could arguably be on that list in the last 10 years, if you go 15 there’s also Vermette and Havlat, but all of them we’re traded at some point so we’re due for more.

    • MethotToMyMadness

      I know you put focus on breading a top 6 forwards, but to be fair our many years of contention when it came to the Eastern Finals and our Cup run (and may attempts at it prior) put us in a position to draft poorly and we were under horrible Management, who also, for the most part, drafted well below current standard.

      So really we should focus on 2007 and on, when we really started to do better with drafting, which we all know is part of the Murray era. Usually it takes a long time for GM’s moves with an Org to really bear it’s fruit. So we are technically looking at 7 years right now. The majority of our pics are still spending time in the A, or Junior, or just tasting NHL action. Zibby, Stone, Puempel, Prince, Hoffman, Lazar, Pageau, Dzingel and the list goes on. Will any be true top 6 forwards, that’s not yet known, but some have promise Then you have the prospects who either got shopped out for a proven player or dealt in a swap situation, Silf/Noesen=Ryan, Elliot=Anderson, Rundblad=Turris, Folingo=Methot, which worked in our favor. Is this worse than being drafted, I don’t think so.

      All that aside we always forget there is a backend to this team, which if you ask me, we’ve drafted much better in. Guys like Karlsson cannot be missed when it comes to groming in house. Ceci was already playing top 4 most of his games last year. And Meszaros (not a Murray draft) could arguably be in that group, he did play in the top 4 D, was drafted in 04. Then add guys like Cowen and Weircioch, either could land in a top 4 in the next year or two. Then guys like Claesson, Harpur, Wikstrand are all heavily praised.

      • Jordan Cunning

        We’ve done a fantastic job on drafting defence men but our 3 best forwards all were not drafted by us and our second line only one player we drafted

        • MethotToMyMadness

          But if two of those 3 best players were obtained by trading other draft picks, that at the time had value, isn’t that almost as good as picking those players from the start?

  • Ek4Norris2015

    If you guys think about it, Anze Kopitar maybe 3-4 years ago was no amazing 1st line center, he was a 2nd liner with potential to be something good. Kopitar at 18, he was not much special, suppose to be a 2nd/3rd line checker comparable to mike fisher, at 20 people started seing skill at both ends of the ice and thought “you never know” now well he is a legit elite first line TWF on a 2 time stanley cup team in the last 3 years! Now you take a look at Mika Zibanejad, he is very comparable. On draft day they compared him to Jarret Stoll, he was not very known, drafted earlier then poeple thought, at the age of 20 people are starting to see good things out of him (Big body, Great shot, good checker, puck possesion, 200ft game) and we think “you never know he might be a good first line center” and we are at the same situation then Anze Kopitar. Im not saying that Zibanejad will be a Kopitar but give him time and he will be very good. Believe on Murray and his staff.

    • Pasky

      You can thank Sutter for that one. His defensive style definitely helped Kopitar improve his game to a new level.

    • Spoons

      That’s a load of crock. Kopitar was near PPG player on his sophmore year. He was also given an 8.0A by Hockey’s Future (not that it means anything).

      Kopitar is not a good “Zibby’s development” comparison.

    • MethotToMyMadness

      Kopitar is the perfect example of a guy who makes it in the bigs, works his tail off at being the best he can be, and proves to himself and everyone else, he’s more valuable than the scouts every predicted. We see these types of examples more often than not, but it’s great to see.

  • ChiassonDownTheCup

    As long as Paul plays the fourth line as a fourth line, I really like the Sens top nine group. Alot more hard working youth and guys who won’t take their roster spot for granted. I hope.

  • MethotToMyMadness

    All this talk about Kopitar, I had to go back and look at the 2005 draft. You have Crosby at 1st overall, nobody was taking that away. Then Bobby Ryan followed by Jack Johnson. After that, Poulot, Price, Brule, Skille, Setoguchi, Lee, Bourdon (RIP), Kopitar and Staal to round out the top 12. But there are still many other names like Hanzal, Kindl, Rask, Oshie, Cogliano, Niskanen and Downie all in the 1st round. And the 2nd round isn’t bad either, Neal, Vlasic, Abdelkader, Stastny, Latendresse *cough*, Raymond. 3rd round had Letang, Russell, Quick, Franson and Bishop. If you ask me, that was a very impressive draft class!

  • Phil.

    I think a fair comparison for Zibanejad’s development (not style) is Turris.
    Turris played almost a full year in NHL, then was sent down to the AHL for a full year. back up with an ok year and has improved in the 2 years since.
    Zibanejad has a similar story, just in a bit shorter time frame.

    • sprucesens

      i just posted the same thing below without reading your comment. I think zib has played in bottom 6 defensively and is ready for a scoring role with scoring wingers, and more minutes. Similarly what we did when we acquired turris. And that worked very well with us. Hopefully zib can do the same

  • AutoTurris

    I understand that everyone in here is not the biggest Yost fan in the world, neither am I, but this read is insightful and definitely worth knowing about. Really supports KT tackling #1 and having EK and JC staggered for our top 4.

    http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Travis-Yost/Isolating-For-Performance/134/61384

    • my2sens

      Those are nice graphs!! Damn!

    • Zelle

      Turris is a #1 center. Watching games last night he was playing against other top lines and the MTR line constantly had opposition end pressure. People who can’t see this either don’t want to or have a ‘grass is greener’ approach to our team.

      Sure in the #2 position he would excel but in the #1 position he is steady and consistent. He even has his own version of ‘wow’ highlight reels in my opinion.

  • Jordan Cunning

    I put condra in the same group as greening in the way of move him for what ever you can get. He is a pk specialist and i could easily see a pk with him not on it i would go with something like this.
    1st pairs
    Turris- MacArthur
    Methot-Gryba
    2nd pair
    Smith-Lazar/Legwand
    Cowen-Ceci
    Extra pair
    Ryan-Zibanejad
    Philips/any dman

    Do we really need condra as a cheap 4th liner or do we give it to the prospects

    • cups

      milo has been a decent option in the past, good speed and positioning, i’d expect him to slot in with either smith or zibby

    • Sensnation

      Is Lazar really our 4th or 5th best defensive forward? What this does show though, is Condra’s role, as you said, can be replaced by any number of other players we have.

      • Zelle

        I’m always impressed with Condra’s composure under pressure and very few mistakes. Again he’s not a wow player, but if you focus on him during a game you will see how intelligent he is with the puck. The problem with prospects being thrown into the NHL is you have to make room for many mistakes and learning curve. They sadly can’t all be Ceci.

  • FBP

    I’m ready to go to the RedBlacks game now.

    • SensChirp

      Same

      • FBP

        I don’t think my boss saw your tweet.

    • my2sens

      I would have to leave right about now to bike there as Mr Mayor would like me too.

      • FBP

        Or bus, or park and ride, or walk, or skateboard, or boat.

        • my2sens

          Scooter?

          • bluebuyyoo

            Swim! Ewwwwwwwwww

          • FBP

            I’ve seen pretty legit river monsters in the canal. Never mind unseeable brain eating amoeba.

          • FBP

            I don’t know if there is scooter parking.

          • my2sens

            Well damn.

        • SensChirp

          Boat!

    • FBP

      Hey look it’s fourteen minutes later now.

  • my2sens

    I don’t want/follow CFL much.

    But do our Redblacks have any chance this year?

    • bluebuyyoo

      Once they realize they have to play the 2nd half, they will be just fine.

      • Gavin Ray

        Don’t worry that’s a problem for all of Ottawas teams, ,we’re used to it by now.

    • Miguel

      better chance than our Sens do … both positive and negative :-)

  • Tim

    Howdy folks! Just checking in, hoping everyone is having a great summer!
    Just renewed my B-Sens season tickets. Looking forward to a good year!

    • Sen John’s

      Have you heard any rumblings about the Sens leaving Bingo for St. John’s? That’s what the rumour mill is saying out here…one can dream.

      • Tim

        None. Keep your dreams to yourself and enjoy the icecaps.

        • Sen John’s

          Yah we only have one more year of the Ice Caps before they move to Thunder Bay…as I said rumours around here are either Bingo or Bridgeport might be coming. Praying for Bingo!

      • Sandy

        I thought Ottawa recently signed to extend their affiliation with Binghamton?

        • Sen John’s

          I think they did in 2012 to extend to 2016? I could be wrong.

    • Jakester

      Baby Sens should be good, you’re getting a good keeper in Driedger!

    • Deadly

      Looking forward to your insights on our prospects.

  • Usuallyright

    I’m actually starting to like this team. For the first time since he arrived, this is now truly Brian Murray’s team with no holdovers from the Muckler or before era (with the exception of Neil and Big Rig). It will be interesting to see how quickly they can gell. Interesting comments that Murray made to coach Maclean at the end of the year, about getting back to talking to the players rather than shouting at them. I suspect there was a lot of pressure put on everyone last year and the Sens just couldn’t live up to it. If this year’s squad plays the same way the pesky sens did, then I suspect they will be tough to beat on most nights and I see no reason why they wont at the very least go deep into the playoffs in 2015.

    • Jordan Cunning

      It all depends on McLean If he makes poor decisions with regards to who play ie 4th line and goalie rotation. All he needs to do is let the best players play and don’t take a goalie out when hes on a win streak or is coming off a shutout

    • WaitingSince92

      Wiercioch too.

    • cups

      sometimes i like to fantasize that p.mac and b.mur planned the travesty that was last season. p.mac put a lean on those guys like they have never witnessed, and thats no small thing for young players who have always been the go-to guys on their teams before going pro. it was all mind games. friend-coach turned into boss-man, and if you couldn’t deal with it and regressed, you were exposed for what you are.

      not a bad strategy from a coaching/management angle. you find out who can deal when the going gets tough, and who needs to be shipped out. the whole dictator-paul vs old-paul thing was put in the open for a reason.

      you’re right. this years team is gonna be something we haven’t seen in a while. i really believe there is going to be a cohesion that really hasn’t been seen since the devils were on top of the league. i expect a few guys to really step up and start taking what they want. its gonna be a great team that holds eachother responsible, and any pieces that get shaken loose are gonna be watching from the rafters. one word = accountability

  • Chris

    Hey guys, I’m currently on vacation in Egypt and I’m a huge REDBLACKS fan and I was wondering if there were any links to websites streaming the game. This means a lot to me, I would be great if someone has a link or websites. Thanks.

  • AutoTurris

    Melnyk’s horses sold for 5.2M… The last of them to be auctioned off in November, the ranch is for sale AND the man quipped about only asking him about financials if interested in buying the team.

    Lay on the hate but I’ll cling to whatever I hope I have of this team being sold

    • Spoons

      I saw that 6thSens article too. That last paragraph is such a freakin tease.

    • Sandy

      The Sens are probably his only cash flow. I can’t see him selling unless he is indeed in real financial difficulties.

      • peetypuck

        As long as his creditors don’t call in his loans he probably has plenty of cash flow from the Senators.

  • Gavin Ray

    We don’t need to add any more forwards, what we need is a solid defenceman. I would love to see Hjalmarsson playing with Karlsson.
    I think that Chicago would accept:
    Hjalmarsson for Wiercioch + weak prospect/pick

    Our defence would be:
    Hjalmarsson – Karl
    Methot – Ceci
    Cowen – Grybes
    Phillips – Borocop

    • laffin681021

      We aren’t getting Hjalmerasson, give it up. If we’re getting anyone from Chicago it’s going to be leddy.

      • Jakester

        Leddy and Sharp for a nice package from us and we’d be all set I think.

        • cups

          i love sharp. saw him from the glass a few times and he has it all. just not the right timing/player for this team. too big of a trade anyway. Hjalmarsson tho, that should/could be a thing.

      • cups

        no fucking way is leddy worth wier, and adding to that is crazy talk. there is sense in chi moving hammer for wier +

        • laffin681021

          Did I say Leddy is worth PW? No. In fact I never said is would only be Leddy in a trade. So calm your tits. Chi is not going to part ways with Hjalmarsson. I’m not even sure where he even comes up in any sort of rumor that Chi is shopping him at all. Leddy does. Leddy is a solid defender regardles. He’s worth more than a bag of pucks like you kind of hint at. The whole Hjalmarsson thing is pure fantasy by Gavin and won’t happen. Any trade for Leddy would include probably Sharp if he happens to waive his NMC for Ottawa or a different forward and we’d be sending PW, Greening/Smith, and a pick.

          • Gavin Ray

            Pure fantasy? Maybe. But I wasn’t the one to make these rumours. In fact it has been awhile since they have been circulating.

          • laffin681021

            Show me a source that has Hjalmarsson in it. Then we can talk. I’ve heard Leddy. Not Hjalmarsson. I’ll send you 50 USD over PayPal if he ends up a Sen.

          • Gavin Ray
          • laffin681021

            Lol I’m going to ignore the fact that you posted a hockey buzz link. Bet still holds. Chi will keep him. They’ll part with Leddy before Hjalmarsson.

          • Gavin Ray

            1. I never said that the rumors were recent, what I said was:
            “In fact it has been awhile since they have been circulating.”

            2. I never said I thought this trade would happen, what I said was:
            “I would love to see Hjalmarsson playing with Karlsson.”

            To be honest it just sounds like your after an argument.

          • laffin681021

            Don’t get me wrong, I give you 100% credit for supplying me with the rumors. But rumors are only good for so long. I’m sure many of us would be more than happy to have him paired with Karlsson but you gotta let it go. One post about it is enough and you’ve posted many. My point being I’m just not sure what you’re getting out of trying to spark the conversation multiple times when you’ll get the same answer or close to the same answer every time. No need for arguments.
            I’ll say one thing at least you aren’tor at least what I’ve read so far one of the people who are still crying over losing Alfie..Now that’s annoying!

    • WaitingSince92

      You think Chicago would accept that? Based on what? Did you ask you 8-ball?

      No, they would not accept that trade. It might be my opinion, also an objective fact.

      Please pass along some of whatever you’re smoking. Thanks.

      • Gavin Ray

        I do honestly believe that they would be willing to trade him for
        a replacement, a prospect and a pick. Not a strong prospect like lazar but maybe prince.
        I’m sure they would do something like
        Wiercioch prince 2nd

      • cups

        ya, i mean look at how many of us would be devastated if wiercioch was moved.. that amounts to something. chicaga/bowman is no dummy. they know getting a guy like wier, that could immediately slot into the lineup, is a great move, and at his pricetag for the next 2 seasons he is a steal (and a practical dump/solution) for a team with cap issues.

        nobody has used a magic 8 balls since the muckler era. its the ouija board, and it doest know how to spell wiercioch

  • Brutus5247

    Just question for some of you magic mushroom munchin GM’s. You seem to want to trade 3 or 4 bottom end guys mostly on one ways to teams for a top six guy(GREAT IDEA). Every team has 50 contracts and you want to send 4 guys their way. That means they need to send the one good player to us then not sign three of their players in their system for our bottom feeders they get in return.(GOOD LUCK CHUCK!)
    Question: Whats the chance? ZZZEEEEERRRROOOO!

    You get bottom feeders for bottom feeders.

    • Senatollah

      As long as Garth snow has a job
      ……….
      Profit

  • Spoons

    Yusss! Rb win!

  • Brutus5247

    Does Greening sit this year? NO, with a 2.6 mil contract they have to get him playing if they have any chance of moving him. There are probably several clubs that will take him if we carry 2 mill of his contract and that won’t happen.

    • Spoons

      Apparently Greening is worth the dowry of 66 race bred horses. True story.

    • cups

      i could see him sitting a game or two here and there. its really the best way to light a fire under his ass (by giving a kid his job) and that seems to be the thing they need to do with him. the guy is too smart to be motivated the way a normal hockey player would, but he’s got the tools to be great. i wish we could figure out how to make him be a self-starter but it ain’t happening. i just hope that he’s the kinda guy that will be motivated if the team is successful, thats really all we can hope for, that he’s a guy that can jump on the bandwagon when it starts rolling in the wins. then trade him.

    • Sensnation

      I think there are other teams willing to pay him over 0.6 mil to play for them.

  • sprucesens

    awful quiet today…..

    • laffin681021

      Calm before the storm.

      • Zelle

        I think it is the redblacks effect :)

  • Billy Bob

    Clarke MacArthur, where does everyone stand? Hard working guy, great with Turris, great leader. How many years would you give him? I have a feeling he doesn’t have many good years left.

    • Sensnation

      He’s 29, not sure the cliff is approaching that soon.

      • Jakester

        I agree, since when do we listen to a guy named Billy Bob! Lol

        • Billy Bob

          Should I change it to Billy Bobster?

          • Jakester

            Good one!

      • Billy Bob

        I know, to me he just doesn’t seem like a guy that will last too long that’s all. That said I thought he was one of the best guys for this team right from the first game in Buffalo.

    • Zelle

      Turris still has 4 years left and Mac still has one year, so I would sign him for either 2 years or 4-5 just so we have the Mac-Turris combo for a while and both of their contracts don’t end on the same year.

    • Pasky

      Depends how this season goes, if he drops quite a bit then two, if he has a good year then 4.

  • OleHeaveHoFlipperoooni

    Fully agree on those 8 things, great read I thoroughly enjoyed it Chirp

    It was awfully nice of PK and Duncan to look after Erik’s trophy for the last couple years though.

    Love it!!!

    I think no matter what Lazar is going to get the 9 game look.

    That 4th line is among the best in the NHL IMO

    I’m not gonna shut up about it. ZBad’s off wing one-timer resembles that of Stamkos. Get him with Ryan and Turris on the PP put him on the LW and feed him that puck!!!

    Stoner definitely here to stay. I swear we beat the Rangers in the playoffs a few years ago if he plays games 6 & 7.

    Know what I’m looking forward to??? Hockey!!!

    And these Ottawa Senators proving the naysayers wrong once again!

  • OleHeaveHoFlipperoooni
    • Billy Bob

      Man I remember watching that Boston pre-season game, ever since I’ve wondered why they don’t get Zib over there more often. Such a cannon.

    • Shibal
      • Jakester

        Yeah but Tookass says nobody thinks he can be a top 6 player!

        • Deadly

          8 reasons why Tooks is so negative towards everything Sens.
          1. He lost his rose coloured glasses.

          2

          • Jakester

            2. He’s not a Sens fan but a bitter Laughs fan! Poor soul! Lol

          • Spoons

            3. He once caught his mom in the sack with Spartacat. He’ll deny it because he suppressed the memory of that chill October afternoon. His negativity towards the Sens stems from this traumatic event. I know, because I’m his therapist and I’m also his mom’s new lover. She’s quite a delight :)

          • Jakester

            4. At the age of four poor little Tookass in line to see Santa at Place Orleans was told by some eight year old wearing an Alfie sweater that Santa was really his barber named Fred! Broke his little grinch heart it did!

          • Harv

            5. When he was a little boy just a few years ago a mean Laff fan disguised as a Sens stole his lollipop.

  • Zelle

    Since we’re posting awesome stuff from our players, how about EK sending OV flying with a counter hit?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUGc_ok38i8&feature=youtu.be

  • Jakester

    I don’t like Ricky Fowler’s look, he looks cheesy.

    • MakeSensofit

      Yeah one PGA commenter during a tournament last year said Fowler is the reason the hubble space telescope will never be pointed at Earth! Just like the Lafs, I golf at least 3 times a week and i’ve never seen anybody dress stupidly like Fowler.

      • Deadly

        Crazy like a fox.It is called branding and it lines his pockets more than his golf winnings .

      • Jakester

        It’s just his face looks all screwed up with that Mexican Stache he has going.

  • Sandy

    Are we to take anything about Ryan being in Ottawa?

    Bobby Ryan @b_ryan9 · 3h

    Victor, Idaho to Ottawa! Looking forward to the @jtimberlake concert with the boys! @GongshowGear @kyleturris @MarcMethot3 @Senators

    • AutoTurris

      Hahahahahha JTimberlake with the boys hahahahha. I’m surprised #65 isn’t on that list of attendees, but I guess he’s abroad.

      • Spoons

        Lol, I didn’t know grown men could be so enthused about seeing Justin Timberlake! Unless they’re going to hang out with Timberlake or something. but it,s fun to see Ryan is bonding with some team players.

        • laffin681021

          I saw JT a couple weeks ago and let me tell you… He’ll make a grown man turn into a 16 year old girl.

          • Spoons

            Coach MacClean must have the same effect. Didn’t the Sens play like a bunch of 16 year old girls last years?

          • WaitingSince92

            Uh, no. Just no. That is all.

        • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

          I’d go to the concert… Jt has amazing talent

          • KJ

            I agree. Not my first choice, but he is a great entertainer! #appreciateTalent

    • Jakester

      All I can take from this , is that we have some players that enjoy some fruity music! Lol

      • Sandy

        Maybe they are taking their wives?

    • cups

      sounds like they’re getting pumped up for their own jt cover ‘pesky back’

    • Sensturion

      The players are all starting to slow trickle back into town. Karlsson is back in 3 weeks, according to his Twitter bromance with Methot.

    • Zelle

      I’m hoping it means he’s going to start training with Mac and T

  • C.J.

    something to keep you entertained until some relevant sens news come out haha

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utLaZrrPLrk

  • Kratos83

    way off topic..but looking to come up to ottawa in the near future, scoping out hotels, does anything have anything good or bad to say about the fairmont laurier?

    • Richard Gough

      The Laurier is a nice hotel as well as the Weston across the street both of them are in the hart of down town
      You won’t be disappointed

      • Kratos83

        awesome..ty very much :)

    • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

      I’d recommend the westin over the chateau…. But both are great hotels, chateau looks like a castle right in downtown Ottawa. Westin is literally right across the street.

      Another one to consider (depending when and what you plan to do while I’m Ottawa) is the Brookstreet hotel… Its in the west end though but IMHO the nicest of the three.

      • Kratos83

        the plan is to go to an advanced screening of Expendables 3..so not sure what is closer..but def ty for your information :)

        • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

          Another option is you like gambling as a side activity could be the Hilton at the casino. (I’ve spent way too much time in hotels around here considering I live here hahaha)

          • Tooks

            Wife issues huh, its ok, everyone goes through it…

      • WaitingSince92

        I’ve heard the rooms at the Chateau or nothing spectacular, but that the food is much better than most hotels, although it is pricey (I know some kitchen staff that can attest to the calibre/quality).

      • KJ

        If you can afford it. Great restaurant!!

  • Cicero

    Thanks for the wishlist Chirp.
    My contribution to Wish No. 9 is reading the following in September (hopeful fiction!):

    “Cowen Earns his Place in the Top Four Defencemen”

    “Jared Cowen impresses with his conditioning over the summer. Coach Paul Maclean says of the young defenceman, ‘Jared has worked very hard to be ready for training camp. With the conditioning coach, he’s focused on speed and balance and his effort is paying off in spades. Last season, he struggled to get to into position and adapt to the kind of speed we see in NHL forwards today. He’s got the hockey smarts, but his legs were not answering the call. What we’re seeing today is a young athlete who remedied that problem with one intense summer of hard work. I think Erik’s comeback after his achilles injury inspired Jared to dig deeper over the summer. We’re all very happy with the result.”

    • Zelle

      This is really encouraging! Sounds like some the young guys are really putting in an effort to train this off season (Lehner, Turris, Pageau, Cowen).

      • Sensturion

        He made this up :/ Sorry

        • Zelle

          Awe… I should really stop being so gullible. I’ll just stare at Lehner’s grocery cart picture to make myself feel better.

    • Jakester

      Good, send that memo to the other 29 teams, let’s trade him now! Lol

      • WaitingSince92

        If you had a graph of Cowen’s value, it would probably be more evident that this is the worst possible time to trade him. No team on the other end of a Cowen trade is going to give up anything good for him, but he still has a good chance of bouncing back (summer training, training camp and a fresh start to the season instead of rehab, rehab and rehab).

        Someone has a bad season and fans immediately say “TRADE HIM” without thinking it through. It’s just not worth it (even if you think the chance of him bouncing back is slim).

        • Jakester

          No, I say let’s keep Cowen, he’s f-ing amazing! Let’s keep everybody, Neil,Phillips,Greening,Condra, hell I love them all, would miss them if they left! Would make me so f-ing sad to see them go!

          Love clogging up our lineup with these great amazing dudes, love to have them all over for supper!

          Maybe I think Wiorcioch would be a better fit on the left side than Slopoke Seinfeld face, or maybe Claessen who can actually skate and is fast enough to actually put a hit on a guy would be a better choice too. No let’s afford him and others a 3-4 year grace period before we finally realize that they blow chunks!

          Trade him one for one for Brett Connolly like I’ve said before. Hell want a fourth rounder with that too Tampa?

          Mac-TUrris-Ryan
          Chiasson-Zibby-Connolly
          Michalek-Legwand-Stone

          • Jordan Cunning

            Cowen has had a good season before i remember not to long ago i was reading some old blogs on here and everyone was raving how cowen was great and one of our best defense men. But hey lets trade him away so we can have a unproven d who did well in the ahl i heard the ahl was harder than the nhl anyways. -_-
            I see you comment a lot here and i can tell your the one season at a time kind of person

          • Jakester

            Connolly isn’t a D bro. And trying to remember when Cowen had a good season? How much of a sample size do we or other teams need to make our mind up that he ain’t that good. Get something for him now, we have better skaters on the left side. Claessen played world juniors too. His team won it all, he wasn’t a pylon like I remember Cowen being when the Russians pulled the big comeback!

          • Tooks

            Why would Tampa do that?

          • Jakester

            They need D badly, and have a slew of talented young forwards coming. Plus Connolly seems to be getting a bad shake like TUrris was… Don ‘t ya think?

  • Sandy

    This guy just about summed up everything I think of not looking forward to NHL on Rogers. Thank god TSN is doing 60 Sens games.

    http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/James-Tanner/Rogers-Taking-Over-Canadian-Hockey-Broadcasts-Why-Its-Bad/200/61405

    • Sensturion

      At least James Duthie is doing the Sens games. Unless I understood poorly, he said so on CTV News.

      • Sandy

        No he’s still doing the games.

      • Spoons

        I don’t get it. Opinions about the TSN vs Sportsnet crew have been unanimously in favour of TSN for years. Why hasn’t Sportsnet ever tweeked it’s broadcast lineup? Alright, Bill Waters is gone, but the lineup never got any better.

        Ya, and Duthie mentioned at the press conference (TSN`s broadcast announcement) that he was excited about doing all those Sens games. He’s from Ottawa.

        • Zelle

          Because Rogers never cares about the end product or the end customer.

          • Sandy

            It’s all about the money. I assume we get feed Leafs and more Leafs just like CBC did.

  • Zelle

    I miss hockey and I miss the Sens :( Summer months are so long!

    • Spoons

      Yeah… Lets go T.P. the ACC in Toronto. I now a few peeps over at Sens Marketing department, I’ll ask if they could get us a few boxes of toilet paper with the Sens logo on it. That’ll help pass time :)

      • Zelle

        Or have some made with the Habs logo and use it.. ;)

        • Spoons

          I like your way of thinking :)

    • Sandy

      8 weeks until training camp starts. That’s better than 12 weeks.
      Once mid-August comes the players with school aged children will be in Ottawa as well.

      • Zelle

        True, it is coming. It’s just so hot wearing my hat and jersey right now… haha. Plus most of the players are pretty quiet on twitter, so not much going on if you’re not into football.

  • Zelle

    Honest question here.. was this legit or a dive? The announcer is going on and on about how dirty this was and how you can lose feeling in your leg from something like this, but it looks like a small tap. I’ve been hit harder with a bat (pinata incident) and didn’t go down like this… But maybe I’m wearing my Turris bias.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FB8PVvoMLtc&feature=youtu.be

    • Pasky

      It probably did hurt but it looked to me like he went down a little easy. It’s harder to tell because it’s in slow motion but if you ask me it looked a little exaggerated.

      • Zelle

        They seemed to be embellishing pretty bad in this game. Ottawa had to play two 5v3s in this game, although the second one was pretty legit.

        • sprucesens

          yeah, i saw both of these posted earlier in the year. Posted elsewhere, by non sens fans, calling the wings divers. I’m sure it “hurt”, so to speak, as in, he could feel a stick touch him, but i’m sure every player in the NHL goes through worse every single faceoff. Including defense from a center ice faceoff…if you get what i’m saying… These clips are the kinds of things that ref’s need to be aware of, and start calling one sided embellishment penalties. It’s almost comical to watch how bad these 2 dives are, and i’m pretty sure they were the same game. Tough one on the ref’s, but what else is new

          • Zelle

            Yes I cut them both from the same game. Ottawa was leading by one and the only two goals from the Wings came off powerplays.

            I just didn’t like that the announcers kept parroting how dirty Ottawa was for the rest of the game.

          • ChampIsHere

            This game started so much chirping between sens and wings fans. Worse than TOR and MTL lol

          • Zelle

            I think I missed this game but I remember the pissed off Detroit fans over the Cowen elbow to Datsyuk’s face. Although that was stupid and dangerous, nothing else the Sens did was extreme or not reciprocated by the Wings , but the announcers were all over every little thing. I find that tends to fuel the fans.

          • cups

            was that also the game that incited the war of words between Neil and Franzen? I remember really hating Franzen that night… must have been the diving, the instigating and skating away, the feigned confusion, and the hat trick… still hate him

          • Zelle

            Not that I saw no. I know Neil went after Z because I think he thought he was shooting the puck after the whistle (there was no whistle) and so for the rest of the game the announcers kept saying ‘oh who is Neil going after now, Zetterberg again?’ and saying how he went after his head multiple times (not true). For the most part it was Neil v Smith, Boro v another guy, and MacArthur v another guy (sorry I’m really not familiar with the Wings).

            Honestly though it was just a really rough game. There was at least two fights (Boro and Neil) and a loooot of chirping / jabs. And four 5v3s, three against the Sens lol. Was a fun game!

  • Sensnation

    “I think we’ve got a definite playoff team, and not just a playoff team, I feel we’ve got a group that can make a run in the playoffs,” Turris said. “I definitely feel we have a real good team.”

    http://senators.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=726184

    • zippy

      “I think we’re going to have everybody in our lineup playing the same way, coming hard back and back checking extremely hard, to put pressure on their guys coming down and eliminating the odd-man rushes,” Turris said. “And at the same time as coming hard back defensively, we’re going to be exploding offensively at the turnovers and getting out of our zone as quick as we can.”

      .. this is precisely why I’m excited. Even with the loss of Spezz

      • Sandy

        Cowen said basically the same thing.

        • zippy

          I expect a good year from Cowen. He knows he was crap last year.

          Sure he’s only 23. But he was SOOO bad.

          Ceci can have a crappy year. (Which I doubt). But Cowen can’t.

          • Sandy

            Any young player can have a crappy year.

  • SensFanInMTL

    Has fallen under rough times. Best of luck, Jim.

    • I’m just sayin’

      ‘Will kill penalties for food.’

      JOB – once competent – then redundant – then mysterious. and finally ?

  • sprucesens

    off topic note. Has been bugging me for a while so i thought i’d look it up. Spell check on here underlines “defence” every time, as it wants, “defense”. The latter is supposedly american spelling, but i’ve honestly never seen it spelled that way, other than every time i changed it to that to make the underlining go away. Thought i was crazy, but both are correct. Carry on everyone. lol

    • RUSH RLZ

      It’s not the site, it’s the dictionary on the device you are using. When you see the red squiggly “defence”, right click it and select “add-to-dictionary”.

      • sprucesens

        oo thanks, i’ll try that

  • SensChirp

    Seems as though we’ve fallen on quiet times. So let’s do a SensChirp Mail Bag. Send your questions to info@senschirp.ca. I’ll answer as many as I can in our next post!

    • Cicero

      100 St. Louis-sized Charas or 1 Chara-sized St. Louis?

    • sprucesens

      i emailed, but i add 1 more topic. what’s the deal with shane prince. from both his and mgmt perspective

  • Senswest

    GO SENS GO!!!!!

  • Senswest

    Our veterans players are better to start training hard fthis summer because we have a bunch of hungry kids that want their spot!!!! Training camp will be interesting……

    • Miguel

      Completely agree if all things were equal, Claesson will push, an be better than many of our D, but will end up in Bingo b/c of Contracts to ie Philliops
      Every year I think the same thing, only to have Contracts dictate who makes the team and who goes down. Which further upsets me when we sign some bad players to contracts.

      • Wyzerd

        Sure, add another D-man without NHL experience and expect the team to make the playoffs. Inexperience on the back-end is what cost the Sens a playoff spot last year. Do you really think replacing Philips with another kid, when under pressure cant manage to simply clear a puck out of zone, is be an improvement?

        • Zelle

          Pretty much how I feel about Condra. Sure they can put another prospect there for the same amount of money or less, and they may get more goals, or they may not, and they might cause more against as well. I’m excited about the prospects, specifically Lazar, Puempel, Claesson, and Harpur, but they need to pace them.

        • Miguel

          What good is experience when you can’t skate anymore? My point is that we have many players better than the “experienced” but useless CP4 who play less, and will be in the AHL next year

          • Wyzerd

            You can’t win with a bunch of young inexperienced guys on D Period. At least experience brings something to the table that has value. Condra also adds value. Great PK guy

    • MakeSensofit

      Yeah but we are a huge budget team, the one way contracts stay no matter what and the two way contracts go down to Bingo. No matter how bad Greening plays, he stays on the team.

    • zippy

      If there was a situation where

      a) Cowen and Boro improved so much that Phillips was a serious detriment. Yes that might get even more interesting
      b) someone could replace Neil.

      Who could replace Neil from the minors?

      • Zelle

        Unfortunately for Boro improved is an understatement. In two games played his penalties lead to three 5v3s. Although he fights pretty well he doesn’t really seem to hit all too much. He is easily beat by opposing forwards. I believe he will have a difficult time pushing for a spot.

        • sprucesens

          also unfortunate is they won’t sit high $$ players, or trade them, because we need to meet the floor

        • Sensturion
          • Sensturion
          • Zelle

            Like I said in another comment, he’s basically a guy you want to replace Neil, your videos basically show a mini Neil, with which comes bad penalties, for a team already struggling with too many, and not much better at shutting down the opposition than any player already on the roster.

          • cups

            also, there’s a difference between a ‘neiler’ that play forward and one whom plays defence. hiding one in a group of 12 guys is a lot easier than with 6; a tough guy defender is harder to deploy than that guy on the fourth line you throw out for a oz faceoff to powder some guys face off

          • Zelle

            I haven’t watched those two games yet (making my way sequentially) but if that’s only two in 13 GP then we need more from a gritty guy. I get that he’s a rookie but I really don’t see him pushing for a spot ahead of Phillips, Cowen, or Gryba.

        • Pasky

          He’s perfect for the #7 spot of this team next season, and I don’t expect much more from him for now.

          • Zelle

            That’s an option, although that would likely mean Wiercioch gets the wave. Sadly our D is filled with a lot of big ?? apart from Methot and Karlsson.

          • Andrews theory

            Wiercioch and Ceci are both top 4 talents that require some refinement.

            Jury is out on Cowen as it stands but I suspect he’ll be a bit better this afternoon. Ottawa needs to look at what Boston did with Dougie Hamilton to ease their young d into the league….

          • Zelle

            I tend to agree re: Ceci and Wiercioch however we have seen so little of them it is difficult to judge their performance as a constant, that is why I omitted.

      • WaitingSince92

        Anyone…

  • MakeSensofit

    It doesn’t really matter how well Lazar, Prince,Pumpiel and Claesson play at training camp. There is absolutely no way Melnick pays these guys NHL money when when he already has 25 or 27 players under contract.
    On most teams the third and forth lines play hard because those players are always looking over their shoulders at the prospects that could steal their jobs. That would never happen here, only injuries would bring them up.
    I think losing Spezza was a good thing. I’m sure he was the main reasons last year our dressing room was in shambles. Sure he gets points but doesn’t play hard ever, wont hit anybody….ever, never helped the defence but last year was our captain. He missed the whole season 2 years ago and that team was awesome to watch cuz we were hard to play against. I’m sure Pmac was angry he was named captain.
    Extending Phillips last year was a huge mistake. Gets a lazy penalty almost every game hooking or tripping and will for sure get the C even though he is no longer an elite player. Chris Neal said he paid his dues….as much as I love Neal this is not a union at a Ford plant, it’s a hockey team. Captain has to be one of your best players…period. I heard he’s a great mentor for our defense, Gonchar was our mentor. Look what he did with Karlson. Listen to what they say about him in Pittsburgh or Washinton. Just who has Phillips mentored? Gryba? I mean cmon!
    I’m not trying to shit on my team. I’ve been a fan since day one. I was at our first game, I was at the Gretzky fight game, The hit from behind on Dackell vs the Flyers, we came back in that game and went on a streak that put us in the playoffs for the first time. Also at the last Gretzky game before retirement.
    I’m just saying a player shouldn’t be the captain for what he’s done in the past, but what he does for his team right now.

    • laffin681021

      You can’t blame 1 person for a locker room being in shambles. It’s a team effort. He wasn’t the only leader in the locker room so don’t only blame him because that’s ridiculous.

      • Pasky

        Yup, and if he was the only leader in that locker room then the rest of the team would need to take a hard look at each others responsibilities.

      • MakeSensofit

        Your right, didn’t mean that it was all on him. Some of our veteran players were not happy at all with the decision to make him captain. I’m just saying that the decision itself was a big factor. I lay the blame more on our management.

        • Jordan Cunning

          stupidest comment of the day should we trade karlsson too?

          • Tooks

            We might have to when he asks to be traded…

      • Miguel

        No No, it was all Spezza’s fault, and now with him gone, our shots against will go from 35 to 20, and we will be a defensive beast!

    • cups

      i buy what you’re saying about the captain needing to be one of your best players. the rest comes off as banter and speculation, enamoured banter none the less, but banter.

      there’s just no knowing if the kids will get a shot, but I don’t believe it has to do with paying them an extra few bucks, relatively. the money angle is cheap fodder.

      • MakeSensofit

        Of course it has to do with money. It’s all about money with our team. And yes it’s banter, that’s why we come to this site to vent or praise our team. We’re not journalists, just fans and I have no problem with somebody correcting me if I made a mistake.

        • cups

          I’ll talk hockey all day with almost anyone. financial speculation is just popular right now and it pisses me off to see it used as a fulcrum for weak ideas because it so easy to swing.

          • Tooks

            Its fact, we are a budget team. Money will always be the factor in every descision the Sens make. Period…

          • cups

            right, as it is for all teams in a cap league. I’m sure you’re creative enough to imagine one or two reasons why this team isn’t spending now, and maybe one might not be such a bad idea. I think you know that it’s a moot issue that nobody has enough insight into to form any informed opinions. that’s why you love bringing it up; nobody can tell you you’re wrong when your rationale is “because the team is broke and melnyk is a cheapskate” because nobody knows what is actually going on or what the plan is.

          • Tooks

            No spending = no contending. Nothing imagined there.

          • cups

            I agree, absolutely no imagination. I’m left with nothing except the wise words of mr.T; ‘pity the fool.’

          • Senatollah

            FACT. this shitty little small market make me puke Sens team blew past their internal budget last year that was quote un quote fact uhh “fact”. It could be a whole f-word worse. Our old players are leaving, yes they are good, were great. Would hate to be an avs fan now, Stasny and ROR. F-that. Fact their budget hurting them when those boys cant be replaced. Fact for the sens, smart contracts, lots of flexibility and no one to spend it on currently, until Ryan is signed. If Ryan isnt resigned then thats another story. Doesnt matter how much you try to shine a turd it’ll always be just a turd in your hands. Enough with the poor me budget shit. Should we be sad we havent been Edmonton bad to have so many top 5, top 10 picks. Should we be pissed we are so spoiled we had how many years of playoffs in a row? When ottawa first got a team they set out a grand plan just to make the playoffs, and they made it before they hoped. This current team went to a three year rebuild and made the playoffs when they shouldn’t have.

          • Tooks

            “This current team went to a three year rebuild and made the playoffs when they shouldn’t have”

            Exactly why we’ve been in mediocrity for 3 years. Should we have built properly, we could of had a legit shot ina few years, now we are stuck with no elite players to speak of, except our disgruntled one, Karlsson.

          • SENSible Voice

            Here’s some red and green paint. Now paint me a Mona Lisa.

            Even if you were a great artist, given what you have to work with, you could paint something that looks like a Mona Lisa but it wouldn’t be a Mona Lisa.

            BM will ice the best team his budget allows him to but it won’t be a cup contender.

        • WaitingSince92

          If the organization decides Lazar is ready, the prospect of saving some very minor cash will not keep him from the NHL roster. That’s my guarantee to you, only because it’s so obvious with everything that’s been said.

    • Hax

      Do you misspell names like “Melnick” and “Neal” because you don’t like them or are you just a bad speller?

      • Doc

        A little bit from column A, a little bit from column B.

        Proof reading has become a lost art form.

  • Cicero

    Re-sign Andy, call up Hammond, and put Lehner on RW. Goalies are the best skaters and he can fight.

    All problems solved.

    • Zelle

      We might get too many puck covering penalties and hand passing whistles.

  • SensChirp

    Lots of great questions so far. Will try to work on something tonight in time for a post tomorrow.

    • Zelle

      Can we get a poll to see how many people think the Sens can make the playoffs with the current roster on tomorrow’s post?

  • Gavin Ray

    I hope Phillips becomes a player-coach type guy for the sens defence instead of a consistent bottom pair player. Is that possible?

    • Andrews theory

      i doubt it. he doesnt even believe this is his last contract. Noticed some comments below suggesting he takes lazy penalties etc. Reality is; Father Time simply caught up to Phillips a few years ago and it some how seems to have been misinterpreted as an off year.
      Really hoping the organization has him sharing some much needed time in the press box, there is still value in having him around as a mentor and voice of reason but he really shouldn’t be counted on for his on ice contributions aside from being a rotating 7th.

      • Sandy

        We can only hope that becoming captain will be motivation for him which hopefully can lead to better play.

        • cups

          sad (ironic) thing is.., as captain, the best move for the team is to watch from above or the bench

        • Tooks

          Yeah no kidding, he will get increased playing time cuz he has the C. Oh how the Org has fallen…

    • wild bill

      From the press box.

    • cups

      Reggie Dunlop

  • aegiszx

    I don’t get why some of you don’t see the value that Condra and Smith provide… Is there something in Stone or Hoffman that I’m not seeing that makes them better defensively or special team players? I may be the odd man out but i would take those guys with 200+ games experience any day…

    Having Stone, Hoffman or Puempel play bottom 6 minutes is a waste of their talents when we should be relying on them to score and not kill penalties…What the hell happened to “role players”?? Are we the Edmonton oilers of the east now and just want to deploy an offensive system?

    • Aaron 2.0

      I think Condra is one of those players that people would really realize how much he brought if he were to be moved or not re-signed when his contract is up. He’s a bottom 6 guy that is always on the right side of the puck. There’s absolutely no concern defensively that his line may get owned, which is often the case for a L3 or especially L4. Add that he’s probably our best penalty killer, and that using a guy like him means keeping your more skilled offensive guys away from said duties. He’s an extremely useful player, IMO. A team takes all kinds.

      • Jakester

        Whateva. How good was our PK last year?

        • Aaron 2.0

          Haha. True, but, not sure the solution is to take arguably our best PK’er out of the rotation! I think the two prior seasons point to that being a pretty solid skill-set for Condra. Last year, the PK formation was an absolute disaster. There seemed to be very little support in our own zone (mostly due to out-of-position players). Hard to pin-point any one player when that’s the case for the entire team, particularly for the defense units. The number of penalties couldn’t have helped keep the PK units stay fresh either!

          • Tooks

            The PK was good solely thanks to the goalies…We were giving up the most shots in the League 5 on 5 and on the PK. It wasnt great at all. Condra is VERY expendable.

      • sprucesens

        yes and no. our bottom 6 is average or below if you ask me. He is a 1 skill player. While he is good at it, its not enough to stay in the NHL long term. He is honestly 1 injury away from likely never being a senator again, as he would be passed in the depth chart, and i doubt our PK takes a huge hit, if we put in proper players. But yes, you do need the role players like you said, and for now he does his well. But our top 6 is relatively full right now, and the prospects need spots to show they belong. Eventually the weakest candidates in the bottom 6 come out.

        Neil won’t be going anywhere as he’s the tough guy on the team. Smith is an ideal 4c, hitting, good faceoffs, and can fight if need be, and play wing if necessary. Greening has size, speed, and according to the stats, is one of the top hitters in the league. So its not so much that condra is a major problem player, its that we don’t have room for 1 dimensional players, at least not at the cost of our possible future stars. Would you rather have condra OR hoffman, stone, puempel, lazar, prince, zib, chiasson and so on? There is a VERY good chance that one or more of these top talents can replace condra’s defensive game, while providing extra elements, like scoring, hitting, speed and so on.

        Honestly, if RW is where we plan on playing lazar as he enters the NHL, condra is the prime candidate to be replaced. And we know lazar has been working on his defence all year. He was used in all situations this year, PP, 1/2 line, and PK. He excelled in all roles. This is the kind of thing that beats out a 1 dimensional player like condra. Similar things can be said about guys like greening and neil, however, they have poor defensive skills, but bring size, fighting and grit. Again, all of which can hopefully be replaced in the future with more multi-talented players.

        • Zelle

          The problem with replacing a guy like Condra with top talent, although nice, is that we’d likely lose them after a season as they wouldn’t want to be on the fourth line. Condra seems plenty happy in that role.

        • Aaron 2.0

          I hear what you’re saying about the log-jam, and competition for spots. It may turn into a problem pretty quickly, or some players may simply not live up to the hype, or not transition as quickly to the pro game, and there may be no problem at all. I do hope you’re right, and we have a lot of talent pushing for spots right away!

          If we do have a plethora of youth ready, I still see Condra as the ideal 4th liner. It may be fine for a young player to start on L4, but that’s not really an ideal spot for skilled offensive-minded players, at least not for too long. These guys, after getting use to a regular shift in the NHL, need more minutes than that. If a log-jam occurs, that’s great, but I don’t see the solution putting these guys in the bottom line for a full year. If that does happen, eventually they do need to move up in the lineup, and you still need a fourth line. I wouldn’t be too quick to get rid of these guys to make room. If that starts to happen, we probably need to look at possible trades that might allow an upgrade in the top 6. I know, easier said than done to find a dance partner.

          Also, have to say I really don’t see Condra as 1-dimensional at all. I’d say most facets of his game are sound, save the ability to score. And, he’s obviously not a tough guy. But, the rest of his game is pretty solid. I guess, 1-dimensional in the sense that he’s solid defensively, but can’t score (even though his line always has the puck). But, I still think that sells him short a little.

    • Jordan Cunning

      most of those players should start in bottom six roles top six can be to much pressure to fast. we have plenty of people who can kill penalty’s and this makes condra expendable. trading smith only makes sence if were doing a quanity for quality trade because he does have a good bit of trade value every one here knows smith is a good player and would be fine with him playing for us

    • Jakester

      Stone played on the checking line in Bingo and was stellar. Do we send the best players to the Olympics or do we send some good players with role players thrown in????? No, we send the best talent and ask them to play roles! You play your best players, not plugs. You don’t think Hoffman would be just as good if not better a PKer than Condra. With his speed he could pressure the point more(at least). Better players can play any role, people keep bitching that our best talents are no more than 4-9 players anyhow. But we bury them in the minors to play guys like Smith,Condra,Neil,and Greening. GO figure!

    • cups

      as far as defence goes, the list of nhler’s that stone can steal a puck from is shorter than that of who he cannot…

    • Pasky

      I don’t think anyone is hating on Smith, at least I hope not. As for Condra, his issue is that he was being played on the 3rd line since Neil is locked on the 4th. We already have Ryan, Chiasson and Stone on the first 3 lines of teh right side so unless he’s willing to split time with Neil and wait till Neil’s contract is up in 2 years so he can take over, then he might end up walking at the end of the season anyways. He can be a trade able asset for teams that need a cheap, effective bottom 6 player, but I don’t necessarily want to ship him off for no reason.

      And I do agree on the love some people have on Hoffman. He’s a good player but I don’t see him being more than a bottom 6 player to add offensive depth. Prince & Puemple will get a longer look in a Top 6 role on the left wing as they should since their ceiling is higher. If we weren’t so weak on the left side I’d be surprised if the team actually kept him this long, but I can still see him sit some shifts and someone on the right side would play their off-hand if Lazar or Condra get more playing time.

  • SensChirp

    Still taking questions for the SensChirp Mail Bag. Anything goes! Send them to info@senschirp.ca

    • Doc

      Anything??

      • Zelle

        I think he’s busy Saturday night.. ;)

        • Aaron 2.0

          Shucks.

        • Doc

          DREAM CRUSHER

  • SensChirp

    Turns out the Mail Bag was pretty quiet too. New post up here

    http://senschirp.ca/news/senschirp-mail-bag/

  • NickofTime

    I agree with most you have to say here except that negative remark ragrding the Greening, Smith & Neil line. They don’t take a lot of penalties but they do get called for a lot of penalties by refs because of who they are & because refs are always trying to manage games & those guys are often the obvious choice to pull off the ice. Speza, Karlsson, Ryan, MacArthur & many more take a lot of stupid penalties too but I don’t see you often mention the pretty boys.
    Bloggers like you & Yost are always denegrading the guys in the trenches, the heart & soul players while constantly building up the pretty boys who played like crap last yr. If the pretty boys on this team ever played with the heart & soul of Chris Neil this team would have made the playoffs. Instead guys like Spezza & karlsson cry about everything else but themselves & want to leave rather than work towards building a better team & improving their own play. They never blame themselves & the fan base including bloggers protects them & blames the hard working grinders for the problems of the team which is bullshit.