Senators Roster a Little Crowded

SensChirp July 16, 2014 444
Senators Roster a Little Crowded

Let’s change the subject, shall we? No negativity this time. I promise.

It’s July 15th and a quick glance at the Senators’ depth chart shows a line up that looks a little crowded as we approach the quite time of the NHL’s off season. With a handful of young players ready to make the jump to the big club this season, there isn’t a whole lot of room.  Training camp is still a couple months away but you have to think moving out at least one forward and one defenceman is a priority for Management over the next couple months.

Up front, there appears to 15 or 16 players battling for 12 spots. As we have seen in the past, one way deals and waiver status always plays a big part in the team’s roster decisions. A best guess at the forward combinations on opening night shows that a few players penciled into many fan lineups, may not really have a spot when things start next October.

MacArthur-Turris-Ryan
Michalek-Zibanejad-Chiasson
Hoffman-Legwand-Stone
Greening-Smith-Neil/Condra

The most obvious omission from this line up is Curtis Lazar. To listen to Bryan Murray and other members of the Management team talk, it sounds like Lazar is all but assured a nine game audition to start the season. But is there room right now? Jean Gabriel Pageau has spent significant time with the team the past couple seasons but again, may get caught in a numbers game and start the season in Binghamton.

Matt Puempel, Shane Prince and Derek Grant all look pretty close too. In total that’s 18 forwards pushing for 12 spots.

Things aren’t much clearer on the blueline. The depth chart shows 8 NHL ready guys, 7 of which are on one way contracts. Cody Ceci has the only two way contract in the bunch but seemed to cement his place as an NHL regular last season.

Methot-Karlsson
Wiercioch-Ceci
Cowen-Gryba
Phillips

Mark Borowiecki is the 8th. The two year contract he signed last year included a one way deal in year two. The organization is obviously really high on him and will want to get him into the lineup on a regular basis this season but again, is there room? Meanwhile in Binghamton, Freddy Claesson looks close to making the jump.

In total, that’s 27 guys fighting for just 18 line up spots. 20 if you include a scratch up front and on defence.

Based on speculation I’ve heard, I think Colin Greening and maybe Erik Condra are candidates to be moved but that depends on finding an interested team. Defence is a little harder to predict but it seems like Patrick Wiercioch is a name that comes up often, despite the fact that the advanced stats have some pretty great things about him.

One thing is certain- if training camp was to start today, it would be a tad crowded. I expect the Senators to address that before the team hits the ice in September.

  • Corey Trevor

    From the last thread… reposting:

    So, Dave is the problem? …it DID all started when he stepped on the team logo in the dressing room. Congrats Chirp, you really screwed us!

    But seriously, the team deserves some doom and gloom from those that write about them. The Organization decided to take its foot off the gas last off-season when we could’ve spent the money to remain competitive. Then and now, we’re coming out of a rebuild with *cheap*, young talent and we should be surrounding them with the right complementary piece to win now. We wouldn’t have won the Cup this past season, but we wouldn’t have been the gong-show that we were.

    But Melnyk owns the team and has the right to make decisions – and not spending the available $7M in cap space on salaries last season was his decision to make. As a fan, you have the limited options of supporting the team either financially (buying tickets, merch, etc.) or indirectly by watching the games on TV and visiting their website.

    However, we shouldn’t blindly support the team (look at what that undying support has done to the Leafs). The decision on Alfie was poorly handled and contributed to the Sens missing the playoffs this year (although losing to BOS in 5 wouldn’t have been a great alternative history). The decision to extend Phillips makes little sense from a hockey and ‘budget’ standpoint. The decision to move Spezza only makes sense if you accept that the Sens won’t be competing for a Cup for another few years. I understand that Melnyk owns the team and has a right to set spending limits, but I also understand that sport franchises aren’t wise investment opportunities. From all the people I’ve talk to, some very connected in sports, they all say owning a team is done for the love of the game and/or the love of winning – not because you can make money; if you want to make money, there are easier, less risky investment opportunities out there. Regardless, the surest way to filling the building, selling ads, signing huge TV deals and selling merch is to remain competitive and win games – that, and not pissing off your fan base.

    Sure, we all love SensChirp because he’s the eternal optimist, but that’s not the reality of the team anymore. Alfie and Spezza left because they wanted a commitment to winning now and we couldn’t offer them that opportunity. It sounds like pissing and moaning, and it is, but this is the reality of the team – until we’re willing and able to make the roster changes necessary to compete at an elite level, the Sens won’t spend and won’t be a contender. Adding insult to injury is losing two captains/franchise players in two years, one very publically…

    With hindsight being 20/20, we should’ve kept Alfie, needed to trade for Ryan and Hemsky in the off-season and sit Cowen for the start of the year. Clearly Cowen hadn’t fully recovered/reconditioned himself after hip surgery in Nov 2012. Instead of signing Corvo, we should’ve landed a serviceable Top 4 Dman either through a trade or signing. We could’ve squeezed all of this just under the cap, although Hemsky would likely have had a full $5M hit, as would Alfredsson. Cowen should’ve worked on regaining his foot-speed and/or his positioning after his surgery – his timing was definitely off this season, and having him sit half the year to fix the problem would have been a huge step in the right direction.

    • Sandy

      All it would have probably taken was offering Alfie 1.5M more than they originally offered him for him to stay. A true billionaire could have afforded to do that.

      • Zakary

        First of all Alfie is not worth 6m and maybe Melnyk and the management didn’t like Alfie s attitude in the playoff when they were loosing I certainly wasn’t impressed against Pittsburg and NY

      • Mat

        Never understood why a bonus laden contract couldn’t be worked out in Ottawa. Like he got in Detroit. 3.5 + 2mil in bonuses. 1M for playing 50 games. 1M for 40 pts. Baddabing baddaboom.

        Anyways. Old news…

      • Tooks

        Yeah no kidding, we wouldnt have had the debacle we had for over the last 2 years…It was handled so poorly by the Sens.

      • Sensnation

        We’d have an aging Alfie, who’s a shell of himself and should of retired a couple years ago. It would’ve delayed the rebuild if anything.

    • Sensnation

      Cowen needed to play more minutes to get back in shape fast, not sit more. That’s a stupid idea. And signing all these guys just because you think it’s the best use of the money. I’d think you were crazy for throwing any money at Alfie, the guy is done!

      • NickofTime

        Alfredsson had over 40 pts last yr & for a 4o yr old that’s not too shabby especially if he would have gotten it in Ottawa for a team that lacked scoring last yr. Annahiem & the NHL loved Selane & what he was doing at his age but Ottawa’s owner got cheap. I would much rather have Alfie over a guy like Conacher or Pageau who between them couldn’t get 40 pts. It was all about the money & Melnyk’s financial problems & it continues to be about Melnyk & his financial problems to this day with this team.

        Giving Alfredsson the money would have allowed him to retire with dignity in Ottawa & would have done wonders for the city to see their beloved Captain’s jersey raised to the rafters. Isn’t that what they are now doing with Phillips? Too little too late IMO.

        Instead we get laughed at & have to listen to this constant bickering about how this organization has treated their best players yr after yr & why no one wants to come & play in Ottawa. It’s no longer about the hockey but the cheapness of the organization & not having the money to build a winner any more. It has hurt the city & the team significantly including ticket sales which will take this organization a long time to regain, if it can with this owner.

        • Cyborg Denneny

          Well said

  • Doc

    I miss the negativity already.

    ’twas more fun.

    • SENSible Voice

      It was more appropriate.

  • Spoons

    There’s only 1 true 1st liner in that lineup. Building a legitimate 1st line is out of reach right now. But, the more I think about it, the more I like the idea of getting a puck moving D-man instead.

    Enter: Keith Yandle.

    Subtract Cowen from the lineup and and add Yandle, and I think we have a team!

    • Sensnation

      A team that will fold over every time we are in our zone. You don’t subtract Cowen to add Yandle, that makes no sense.

      • Jakester

        It does , cause when Yandle or Karlsson have the puck the other team doesn’t.

        • Sensnation

          Let me know when Karlsson has a positive plus minus again and then we can talk. Same goes for Yandle.

          Your assumptions about what two skilled players could do is a huge jump from reality. Having 2 dmen who can get run over all year long will not mean we have the puck more. This isn’t keep away or soccer, the ice is too small to think that would actually work like that.

          • Phil.

            In fairness to EK, only 7 Sens players were plus players and 3 of the 7 plus players played less than 20 game, so that’s only 4 regulars that were pluses.
            Gryba was the only plus D. Methot and Cowen were even.

          • Sensnation

            In fairness to EK, too many of those minuses were directly his fault this past year. The fact his line partners Methot and Cowen were able to be that much better than him is even worse.

    • Jakester

      Would love that 2 D men who drive the offence from the back end. Karlsson on 1st pairing and Yandle on second. I agree whole heartedly!
      I’d even trade Milan and a D or prospect to get him.

  • KJ

    #Sens Neil: “We want guys who want to be here. I won’t hold it against him (Spezza). Bryan Murray was able to accommodate him.”

    Retweeted by SensChirp

    I agree with Neil. We have to have all the guys on the team “wanting” to be here. Spezza was well liked in the Dressing Room by all accounts, but if you want out, then don’t let the door hit you on the way out.

    • Sandy

      What I found odd was some of Cowen’s comments kinda hinting that he knew Spezza wanted out without being in the know.

      • Jakester

        Explains why his return in the playoffs two years ago, sort of cut the PESKYNESS! Wonder why they named him Captain, sure it was 100% Murray’s call!

        • Sensnation

          You mean the year Alfie gave up on his team pre-game?

    • Jakester

      Spezz loved it as long as he wasn’t dogged for floating – just doesn’t cut it with MaClean – 200ft please!

      • KJ

        Yep. Don’t mess with the Coach! :)

      • Tooks

        Spezz loved it when we were a winning team, started losing and saw the decline, at his age, no chance for a Cup here, same with Alfie.

  • Dirk-Diggler

    FORWARDS

    Clarke MacArthur ($3.250m) / Kyle Turris ($3.500m) / Bobby Ryan ($5.100m)

    Milan Michalek ($4.000m) / Mika Zibanejad ($0.894m) / Alex Chiasson ($0.867m)

    Mike Hoffman ($0.750m) / David Legwand ($3.000m) / Mark Stone ($0.603m)

    Erik Condra ($1.250m) / Zack Smith ($1.888m) / Curtis Lazar ($0.894m)

    Chris Neil ($1.900m) / Colin Greening ($2.650m) /

    DEFENSEMEN

    Jared Cowen ($3.100m) / Erik Karlsson ($6.500m)

    Marc Methot ($3.000m) / Cody Ceci ($0.894m)

    Patrick Wiercioch ($2.000m) / Eric Gryba ($1.250m)

    Chris Phillips ($2.500m)

    GOALTENDERS

    Craig Anderson ($3.188m)

    Robin Lehner ($2.500m)

    BONUS OVERAGE

    $0

    ——

    CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)

    (estimations for 2014-15)

    SALARY CAP: $69,000,000; CAP PAYROLL: $55,477,500; BONUSES: $1,988,333

    CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $13,522,500

    Boro sent to the AHL

    • SensChirp

      Carry 14 forwards though?

      • Dirk-Diggler

        and 7 D men… we can carry 23 roster players… with the contracts the way they are and the talent how it’s allocated, unless we deal Greening for nothing (which then leaves us below the cap) what do you suggest?

        • SensChirp

          I agree, it’s the simple solution right now. I know they’d prefer to keep Boro around if possible. And would also like to avoid carrying 23.

          Liked the idea of packaging up some quantity for quality but those deals are tough to do.

          • Dirk-Diggler

            Ya, I am still hoping for Sharp.

            Maybe Smith + Boro + Dal 2nd for Sharp?

            Then Lazar has a home on the 4th L C

          • Jakester

            Yeah cuz if Smith is going to drop the mitts 3 times all year- Lazar will be more usefull. Plus factor in all of Smith’s bonehead penalties.
            Good place for Lazar, while we have a logjam ,to ply his trade.

          • Cyborg Denneny

            No disrespect but I just don’t understand why anyone would think getting rid of Z. Smith is a good idea for this team at their present state. Murray et al. said at the end of the season that they were looking for a couple more “hard” players. It’s hard to see why they’d want to get rid of one. The guy is signed to a very reasonable contract, plays hard and torments Nazim Kadri. What more do you want for 1.8 mil a year? In my view, he’s exactly the kind of character guy they simply cannot afford to lose right now.

          • Sensnation

            Who is Boro going to play ahead of? I sure hope they don’t put him ahead of any of our current D.

          • Tooks

            I’d put him ahead of Cowen for sure, atleast Boro hits (no pin ups of flyby hits) and gets the puck out of the damn zone.

          • Sensnation

            Hahaha, no. If Boro is playing ahead of Cowen we are fcked.

      • RUSH RLZ

        And our two-man fifth line make more than our third line! Hahahaha! *sobs*

    • zippy

      Boro is on a 1 way. He won’t clear. He’ll go to Buff

      • Dirk-Diggler

        And that’s fine..

        • zippy

          Just wanted to be clear we’ll lose a good 5/6 for nothing. Actually we’d lose because we’d pay half.

          Definite trade bait

      • Pugnacious Serf

        Not if he starts the season in Bingo.

        • zippy

          oh…….leaphole. That rocks.

        • spezzerman

          I dont think you cant get around one way contracts by starting a guy in the minors, it kind of defeats the purpose?

          • Pugnacious Serf

            His 600K will count against the cap whether he’s up or down. If he started in Bingo and was brought up for an injury I don’t think he can be claimed unless we try to send him back down.

      • Frootmig

        One-way versus two-way contracts have absolutely nothing to do with waiver eligibility. A one-way deal only means that the player is guaranteed NHL money no matter were they play (Ottawa or Bingo). Waiver eligibility is dictated by age and how many pro seasons of hockey the player has played.

        • zippy

          You are correct. I guess it’s the Sens choice if they want to pay him NHL salary regardless until they know the D status

        • NickofTime

          Who else besides Stone, Ceci, Chiasson & Zibanejad are waiver exempt?

  • Sandy

    One thing I do know is that I absolutely love the desire and drive of Lazar and hope he finds his way onto the team as a 3rd line winger.

    What does he have left to learn in the CHL?
    But I do agree, too many players fighting for too little spots.

    • MethotToMyMadness

      That’s the biggest debate these days when it comes to Lazar, if only he was eligible for the A. They really need to review those rules. Lazar may not learn anything else in the CHL, which is often the comment you hear, but if he cracks the roster in Ottawa, will be get quality minutes, or just limited ice time? If that’s the case, I think I’d rather he play top line, full out each night, against the best in his age group in junior. That’s my opinion, cause we seriously don’t need to rush him.

      • Sensnation

        The whole point of the rule is so that the CHL can keep some of their young stars who aren’t ready for the NHL. It’s not about the NHL or the players themselves. Asking the CHL to give that up, which often represents their top end players, would be hard to do.

      • Tooks

        He should go back to junior, he’s not rdy for the NHL, lets see if he can lead the team as Captain and win a championship on his back. That EDM team was stacked, lets see if he can do it with lesser help.

        • Sensnation

          Considering how poorly your math skills went yesterday, going to have to assume those same skills are being used to come to this conclusion.

          • Tooks

            You would prefer Lazar play 5-8 minutes a game in a 4th line role? Yeah makes much more sense, lol.

          • Sensnation

            You must have missed the article last week about exactly that. There are good arguments both ways, but truth is Lazar is going to be better than most guys we have in bottom 6 roles right now. 5-8 minutes would be a low end guess, if he’s on the 3rd line it’s 12-15 which is plenty.

          • Tooks

            Sorry didnt know Lazar was an established 3rd line NHL’er, lol.

            With Corbett, Kieser, Moroz, Orban, Petryk, Reinhart, Sautner, Samuelsson most likely leaving the Oil Kings, Lazar is much needed and would be named Captain and would be hard pressed to lead that team to a Championship again. People saying what has he to learn in the CHL as a 19-20 year old, try everything.

          • Sensnation

            But nothing you’re saying comes close to guaranteeing that he is better off in juniors. Actually the fact he won’t be on as good of a team could actually hinder his growth instead of help it. More Tookie math at work I see.

          • Tooks

            Haha so playing in the best league in the world would be best for him on a team that is sorely lacking talent to win games…I see. Your so much better at math, LMAO…

            I would rather he learn to be consistent vs his own age group than be tossed in the pro’s getting eaten alive by…pro’s…

          • Sensnation

            Not all young guys are eaten alive in the NHL. These are the types of fallacies you base most of your arguments on. If Lazar’s not ready, no reason to rush him, but if he is there’s no reason to hold him back.

          • Sandy

            If he’s staying I would assume he plays 3rd line winger. At least that what Dorion said a while back.

  • Sandy

    Chirp, who is Murray Pam?

    • SensChirp

      Contributor to The Hockey News and Metro Ottawa

      • Sandy

        Thanks. Never heard of him before.

    • Jakester

      Ask Chirp who Jimmy Murphy is too while your at it Sandy! lol

      • Senatollah

        Ask Chrip where Jimmy Hoffa is too

  • spezzerman

    Ceci was good in his sheltered role last year and played as well as you can expect a first year 19/20 year old to. but I dont know if I’d want to rush him into the top 4. I think he was our 5th best dman behind Gryba, Weircioch, EK and MM. you could make a case over Gryba and Weir maybe but it was certainly very close.

    I have no problem with him starting in the AHL next year to let him play top pairing in the pros for awhile longer.There is no rush. unless he is leaps and bounds better than the other 6 and you simply cannot send him back down. If you do that than you could start
    MM-EK
    PW-EG
    JC-CP
    Boro
    Philips really needs to earn those minutes though. Cowen/Gryba/Weircioch can fight for that middle pairing. The loser is stuck with Phillips ;) To make room for Ceci should he be too good to send down, Boro would most certainly clear waivers, IMO, especially in the beginning of the year.

    That said, i think there is certainly room for a trade here. I agree that Claesson is going to make a strong case for a good long look this year.

  • Mat

    Woah! Look at how Lazar breezes through his water bottle arm presses.. #alwayssmiling #leadership

    • Tooks

      That towel is a little bit wet too, insanely hard! #BeastMode #TrueWarrior

      • Mat

        Not to mention its off balance weights… #corestrength

  • Doc

    UNICORNS KICK ASS!

  • PaulMacLeansDuster

    If the team stays the way it is now, I am not worried about this season. I think with player progression (10 guys under 25) and Legwand/Chiasson (27 goals last season) replacing Spezza and Hemsky(27 goals last season), I think Ottawa scores about 20 more goals on the season while allowing about 20 less. This will translate into about 5-8 more wins with Ottawa finishing between 5th and 8th in the conference.

  • zippy

    LOUD NOISES!!

  • PaulMacLeansDuster

    Note if Ottawa won 4 more games (or hold 2 goal leads against the Habs or actually beat a team from Alberta) they would have finished 5th in the conference last season. In which case everyone would be singing a completely different tune.

    • Tooks

      Only to get crushed in the playoffs, no thx. Sorry no negativity…

      • Brutus5247

        Remove Spezza, sit Cowen when he needed to be sat and play Karlsson 23 minutes so he had energy left in the d zone and we would have made the playoffs.

        • Sensnation

          There are literally hundreds of possible differences last year of which 2-3 would have got the team to the playoffs. Your choices would also have hurt Cowen’s development, and who is playing on D for those extra minutes Karlsson isn’t? We didn’t have any reliable pairings last year.

          • Brutus5247

            Methot Gryba?

          • Sensnation

            Cowen Gryba was decent too, but no I wouldn’t say to the point of being reliable.

          • Brutus5247

            What is your definition of reliable?

          • Sensnation

            Reliable – consistently good in quality or performance; able to be trusted.

            It was hard to rely on Gryba-Methot making a tape to tape pass to get the puck out of the zone.

          • Brutus5247

            Methot/Gryba were reliable look at their numbers. What more would you expect?

          • Sensnation

            As I said, Methot-Gryba’s problem is skill related. Neither of them are that great with their sticks or passing. They both like to chip it out of the zone. I literally told you what more I’d expect. I think we have a communication problem lol.

          • Brutus5247

            Wiercioch gets outmuscled and loses pucks regularly, makes the ODD strech pass, Philips had nothing but trouble in his own zone, Cowen was bad and you say Gryba Methot have no skill. They got the puck out well for most part. LOL

          • Sensnation

            I think you miss the point. You said give Karlsson less minutes, who are YOU giving them to?

          • Tooks

            Haha awesome, like watching 2 blind guys going at it.

          • Brutus5247

            They are right left, Cowen wasn’t eating up Karlssons minutes.

          • Sensnation

            I have no clue what you are saying in your posts.

          • Brutus5247

            Cowen left..Karlsson right shot..Cowen NEVER took Karlssons spot..it was Ceci or Gryba.

          • Sensnation

            What does that have to do with what I said? I didn’t say Cowen took Karlssons spot. you said to sit Cowen, I said that wouldn’t help his development. You said play Karlsson less minutes, I asked who can play those minutes as the reason he’s playing them in the first place is a lack of good alternatives.

    • Sensnation

      Agreed, but this fan base fell victim to the media telling them they were cup favorites during their rebuild. Media runs things in Ottawa, the fans have trouble thinking for themselves.

    • Senatollah

      Can make the same argument the year before, had the lockout ended a week earlier the team would have likely missed the playoffs. The east, save two teams, is wide open and a string of average play plus a few lucky bounces can make all the difference

      • Sensnation

        I always love when we play the “what if” game, literally anything can happen! ;)

        • Senatollah

          80% of people would agree with you.

  • Sensnation

    There are too many fringe sens players that would have to go through waivers this year. With Mark Borowiecki, Mike Hoffman, Alex Grant, Patrick Wiercioch, and Derek Grant on that list, I’m starting to have trouble seeing how Prince and Puempel have a chance to make the team. I’d expect we lose at least one of the waiver guys going into the season. There’s definitely competition this year, but too many combatants that just aren’t part of the long term plan.

    • Sandy

      They are not putting Wiercioch on waivers. Could Hoffman be included in the mystery trade as one of the pieces going out?

      • Sensnation

        I agree on Wiercioch, however unless they are sending Ceci to the minors or carrying 8 dmen, they have to move someone or lose them in waivers. Though I think Boro could make it through waivers, I’m not convinced other teams will come running for him.

  • Gavin Ray

    I think we should target Hjalmarrson.
    We have many players that can go, for example:
    Grant, Wiercioch, Greening, Condra etc…
    Would Chicago do this trade?
    Wiercioch + Grant + 2nd round pick – Hjalmarsson?
    They really need to move bodies to fit under the cap.

    Imagine this:
    Hjalmarsson – EK
    Methot – Ceci
    Cowen – Gryba
    Phillips

    • Sensnation

      I think for the Sens part we need to include at least 1 forward roster player like Greening, Condra or Hoffman to help with some of the logjam.

      • Gavin Ray

        I would love a deal like:
        Condra + Wiercioch + Grant
        or Condra + Wiercioch + 3rd
        but Chicago is looking to loose cap space

        • Sensnation

          I agree. Wiercioch hopefully brings the value to our side of the trade offer. Adding any of Condra, Greening or prospects/picks to even it out would help us. I still like Wiercioch, so I’m on the fence with trading him, but if the return is a true top 6 forward or top 4 d, I’ll have no problems.

  • adamie

    To Ottawa:
    Chris Stewart
    To Buffalo:
    Patrick Wiercioch

    To Ottawa:
    Patrick Sharp
    To Chicago:
    Zack Smith + Erik Condra + DAL 2ND

    LW’s:
    Sharp
    MacArthur
    Michalek
    Greening

    C’s
    Zibanejad
    Turris
    Legwand
    Lazar

    RW’s:
    Ryan
    Stone
    Chiasson
    Stewart
    Neil

    how would you guys make the line ups with the trades i proposed (not accurate trade offers i know but whatever lol)

    • Doc

      I really dislike your first trade. A lot.

      • adamie

        maybe the wiercioch trade can be Prince instead?

    • Gavin Ray

      I would rather get a good defenceman than trade Wiercioch for Stewart but I will humor your proposal:

      Sharp – ZBad – Ryan
      MacA – KT – Stone
      Michalek – Legwand – Chiasson
      Rest are interchangable

  • OverMind

    think the most logical move that NEEDS to happen is moving Zack Smith.

    1) to create no confusion that the top 3 centers are Turris, Legwand, and Zbad.
    2) to save Maclean from himself, god knows if Smith is still on the team he is rolling Smith with his line mates(greening, Neil) for far too many minutes a game.
    3) save a bit of money, Grant is cheaper

    Smith is a good player but i dont trust that Maclean will use him and his line appropriately. Bust that shit up Murray!

    • RUSH RLZ

      Yeah because GMs purposely try to thwart the players and line-ups that their coach wants to use. I think you have it backwards.

      • OverMind

        you cant tell me that Murray wants to see 15 min TOI for the smith line when he keeps talking about the potential of Zbad being first line center material. because if Smith stays around im pretty sure he will get more minutes than Zbad.

        • Senatollah

          you cant tell me that Murray wouldnt want to see 15 min TOI for the smith line when one of the top three lines is having a bad game or stretch of game. Better Murray handicaps the coach by taking away quality 4th line/3rd line tweener centre with a replacement level AHL/fringe NHLer in Grant or Pageau.

    • Sensnation

      Haha, I like the reasoning, I just fear that Grant would become the new Smith. PM likes his pluggers no matter who they are.

      • Brutus5247

        Grinders are important in a defensive role. As if not more important as scoring big points and being -26. Defence and offence need to be balanced.

        • Sensnation

          Ok.

    • Doc

      But Smith is better.

      Not like his 1,8 cap hit is the issue.

      And your reasoning for moving him is silly.

      • OverMind

        Smith is better than who? i hope none of the mentioned centers. and Smith comes with his line mates… Smith is a great center for the price, but his linemates are not. sadly he must be sacrificed because he is tethered to two plugs that are getting way too much ice time.

        • Doc

          The guy you want to replace him with: Grant.

          So because he had shitty linemates, he’s the one that has to go? How does that make sense?

          • OverMind

            Maclean logic, you have to work within his framework sadly.

          • Doc

            Your reply makes even less sense.

          • Tooks

            Making sense is not the Sens forte….

          • Senatollah

            sense or cents

          • Doc

            Touché.

          • Gavin Ray

            I think what he’s trying to say is that if we give Smith more ice time, we are giving Greening and Neil more ice time.

          • Doc

            But that’s not Smith’s fault, and it doesn’t mean he’ll be force to play with them.

          • OverMind

            again, Maclean logic is in play. i dont think there is a chance in hell of Maclean breaking the GSN line. and i firmly believe that Maclean wants to give Smith 15 mins TOI every game.

          • Doc

            Then there lies your problem.

            You’re assuming a lot of things based on the situation we were in last year.

          • OverMind

            only time will tell. history tends to repeat itself, and i can see a time come in November when we start bitching about GSN getting too much ice time again…

          • OverMind

            i dont trust that Maclean will break up the Greening/Smith/Neil line. we dont need Neil playing as many minutes as Smith, or Greening for that matter. you have to attack the core of that line to fully devalue Greening and Neil in the eyes of Maclean. if we could deal Greening and Neil and surround Smith with good line mates great, but i dont believe that is going to happen.

            Smith has trade value, his line mates are plugs, one with a bad contract.

            besides i would much rather watch the other three lines play hockey.

          • Sandy

            Grant is also unproven in the NHL. He did a decent job in his 25 games of experience. I would prefer to use him as a 4th line winger to Smith as his centre and he can fill in centre if the situation was there.

          • Zelle

            So agreed. Smith gets a lot of undue criticism. In fact if people want to shit on him it should be about his undisciplined and ill timed penalties. Maturity and coaching can fix that.

          • Sensnation

            I hope so, but Smith’s knock has always been undisciplined and ill timed penalties. He’s played most of the last 4 seasons now, last year was the first time I’d say he took a step back in that department and I’m hoping the frustration of the losses was a culprit.

    • Gavin Ray

      I agree with you. I think that there are many alternatives to the smith line and players like Hoffman, pageau and grant can fill that void. I didn’t even think about moving Smith, I thought we should move the players behind him. Following up my previous comment, how is this trade:
      Smith + Wiercioch + 2nd – Hjalmarsson + capdump player?

      I think that it would have more value than offering Grant instead

      • Brutus5247

        capdump player = overpaid underachieving player? Not sure we need this.

        • Gavin Ray

          Can we get Sharp, if we add more on our side?

    • Spoons

      I like Smith but he’s one of 12 bottom 6 players we have. He’s also the one with the most trade value. You’re right about him playing too many minutes, we need someone like Grant or maybe Pageau and MacClean would limit the minutes to 8 or 9.

    • Sandy

      Smith was used as a shut down centre last season and saw time on the PK. That’s why his ice time was up a lot of games.
      Murray & McLean both like this guy. He’s good defensively, he’s decent on faceoffs and he’s tough. Sure he takes penalties but he’s not the only one that does that.

      • Sensnation

        Agree with all you just laid out. He’s also only 26 and could have his best years ahead of him.

      • Zelle

        With Spezza gone I’d argue he’s our best faceoff guy right now (without knowing Legwand’s or Lazar’s %).

        • Sensnation

          Agreed, last year Legwand was at 50.6% (585 won – 571 lost), Turris was slightly better at 50.7% (724-705).

  • BMurray

    BUILD THE TEAM BASED ON SPEED AND TWO-WAY PLAY….

    3 good scoring lines

    MacArthur-Turris-Stone
    Michalek-Zibanejad-Ryan
    Hoffman-Legwand-Chiasson
    Lazar-Pageau-Neil

    Hoffman and lazar can switch

    Condra/Greening/Smith all disposable, and would trade Neil at the deadline

    Methout/Cowen/Gryba/Boro can drop them if need be

    • Kohlmanator

      “Good” is debatable. Lazar and Pageau on the 4th line will do nothing for their development. Trading Neil will only happen if he requests it.

      Smith hits, agitates and drops the gloves if need be. He is right at home in the 4C spot.

      • Cyborg Denneny

        Or on left wing

    • Gavin Ray

      We need a solid checking line and that fourth line is mediocre. I would rather have Greening on the fourth than Lazar. Even though he isn’t very good.

    • http://batman-news.com Johnny Skills

      I like where you are going. and think the days of 4th liner slow checking lines are behind us…why can’t 3rd and 4th lines play up tempo and hit when they need to. Play fast and be in the opposing teams face…Plus when they are playing against lower skilled lines they might add more goals than you think. So I like the lineup at first glance.
      What I don’t like is your thoughts on dumping Methot. This guy is the real deal and the only reason I would deal him is if he wasn’t resigning. I would want this guy on my team for sure. Not sure what happened with his month long flu but I want this guy to bounce back and dominate like his first year.

    • Mat

      Got no problem with that philosophy Bill. I only hope that we can generate enough effective play in the “forward-way” play…

    • Cyborg Denneny

      I think Lazar already said that he doesn’t “do” left wing, and no. 25 doesn’t either. Best thing for Lazar would be to get traded to the 66′s for the year, then get called up to Bingo for the playoffs(assuming that’s even possible)

      • Cyborg Denneny

        …make that 67′s

  • Miguel

    The one thing that would truly make me feel better about this team, is if one of our young Potential were to take the bull by the horns and take a top 6 job right from the start of the year, and carry it through the year, so that we can finally have that top 6 developed through the system or by any means. Every year we keep having these top 6 candidates auditioning for top 6, only to fall down the lines ie Greening Regin Butler etc, or to go into oblivion, DaCosta Zubov Filatov Kovalev etc etc etc.
    Will someone please take that shot and run with it
    Stone, Zibby Hoff or whoever, PLEASE!

  • Sandy

    Wow… no wonder they want to cut penalties taken in Ottawa this season.

    Travis Yost @TravisHeHateMe · 1h

    From 2010, average TOI a team played 3v5 is about ten minutes. Ottawa played over twenty last year. Crazy.

    • Mat

      That was often the result of the slower players on the team, many of whom are still in the lineup (i.e. Neil, Cowen, Gryba..). Hopefully next year our “speedier” offence will cause the other team’s D to take penalties. If we can manage to spend less time in our own zone..

      • Sensnation

        Spezza-Karlsson was statistically our worst lineup last year. As much as I love Spezza, it can only help us that those two will not be playing together.

        • Mat

          Well, Spezza and Karlsson will play together at least twice next year when we play Dallas and King Karl picks off every Spezza no look back passes. : )

          • Sensnation

            We can hope! Dallas is going to be offensively scary, defensively inept. Lehtonen will have to stand on his head once again. Probably the most underrated goalie in the NHL.

          • Mat

            One crippling injury and that team is toast. Hope they have a reliable back up..

          • Sensnation

            Lindback … I’m sure Jack Campbell would be called up to start in that situation, may even have a shot at backup this fall.

        • Zelle

          Karlsson behind the Turris line was damn good though. Ryan often covered for EK when he was carrying the puck in the offensive zone.

          • Sensnation

            For sure! And part of the problem was Spezza’s line never had consistent wingers till the end so they often would not realize to cover for EK fast enough if at all. It wasn’t all on Spezza or EK, it’s just that 2 high risk guys need some cover.

    • Sensnation

      Is that 20mins over a full 82 games? That’s pretty much 10 full 5v3s. Considering how rarely refs are willing to make a 5v3, that is crazy!

      • Mat

        I bet there was at least 2 games where we had 2 5v3 in the same game.

    • Zelle

      Yup. That’s why I feel that overall the team wasn’t dirt horrible, just ridiculously undisciplined. Like I have been saying: how can they hold a lead for 60mins when they are on the PK for a third of it? Their third period performance was always shit likely because they were dead tired from being on the man disadvantage five or six times already.

  • Sensnation

    So is Chris Phillips the next captain, or is Neil just loyal to his elder group? He is in the room after all and would know how his peers view each player.

    I agree that EK is not ready.

    • Mat

      I have nothing against Philips (other than I would like him to finish his career on another team) but that would be a horrible choice. With Spezza gone this summer, it feels like we are finally turning a page in this team’s story. We need to look forward. My choice would be Turris as captain, with Karlsson, Methot and MacArthur as alternates. Strip Philips and Neil and let them be mentors to the youth, not the leaders of the team.

      • Sensnation

        Agree with Turris as captain, but I doubt you can strip Phillips and Neil of their As without trading them. And if you trade them we will only have Legwand and Methot as our veterans. I’d rather keep a lifer personally.

        • Mat

          I think you can easily remove their A. If they’re not happy, what are they going to do? Leave and actually help the team? Um, ok!! As far as I’m concerned, last year the leadership group failed. It’s not all on Spezza. It’s the perfect time to change the culture IMO.

          • Sensnation

            Ya man, if that’s your line of thinking, there’s not much for me to say. It’s sad you think them leaving helps the team. As for last year, it was year 3 of a rebuild, first time we miss the playoffs, there was no catastrophic cliff, expectations were just not realistic.

          • Miguel

            cmon Matt, now that Spezza is gone, all of our leadership issues will be solved, we will turn into a stellar defensive team, that will have less than 2 goals against them per game, Give the C to Phillips who should not be playing more that 12 mins per game.
            Only problem is we will only score one goal per game and most of us will be asleep by the second period!
            Cannot believe how many people think our Defensvie issues are Spezza’s fault. Could it not be an inept defence???

  • Sensnation

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  • Mat

    That comment on Twitter:

    “Neil on captaincy: “The torch will eventually be passed sooner or later (EK). My choice is Chris Philips. He’s paid his dues.”

    I think that’s absolute horse shit. You don’t get the captaincy by “paying your dues”, you get it by being an effective leader, a motivator, someone that shows the right example, the one that defines the team. Philips got more than his “dues” when Murray offered him a contract way past his due date…

    • Sensnation

      That’s a difference of opinion, but historically in the NHL what Neil attributes as dues is often more valuable than some of the things you mention. Jason Smith was a good example in the past that the Neils, Murrays and Phillips are accustomed to. As fans what we think makes a good captain and what old dog hockey minds think are very different. Most captains these days are made as PR moves and don’t deserve it, so in that respect EK makes sense.

      • Deadly

        Name some PR captains for us.

        • Sensnation

          Phaneuf, Ovechkin, Stamkos.

          Benn and Tavares at the age they were named captain, was about giving it to their best young asset and not about those two being ready to lead, though they both are now. I’d say Giroux as well.

          • Deadly

            Top 3 for sure.

          • Mat

            I do get what you mean. You could probably also add Landeskog in there. But I don’t necessarily disagree with those choices either.

          • Sensnation

            Ya Landeskog was a consideration, he’s just an abnormally mature individual at his age.

          • Zelle

            Crosby, Luongo

          • Sensnation

            Those two are tough. One’s the best player in the league the other was by far the best leader on his team when he got the C, just at an abnormal position. But ya both could be construed as PR moves at the time they were done.

            List keeps getting longer lol.

          • Deadly

            Do you think getting the C adds to a players loyalty.If so,giving to a young player might make a lot of sence.
            Turris, EK are both key players going forward.

          • Sensnation

            If a younger player needs the C to be loyal I honestly don’t want them. Put your dues in first. I really do think Cs should be voted on by the players on the team every year.

          • Don Ciccio

            The only thing is that if someone like Phillips is voted as captain and his play drops further than what it dropped last year, can you make your captain a healthy scratch?

          • Sensnation

            I personally don’t think Phillips is the best choice, but if that’s what the group wants then yes. I think fans ask for him to be scratched more often than PM actually considers doing it.

          • Mat

            I wanted Spezza to get the C over Philips last year. My main reason: I figured it would sway Spez to commit to the team for a few year’s longer. I bet if the team had had a good year like the previous year, Spezza and Hemsky would be signed now, as would Ryan, Mac, etc…

          • Deadly

            If we found a winger for him earlier,we definitely make the playoffs and we are on a different path today.
            That being said,I am pleased with the team today and looking forward to the next 2-3 years.
            Need some moves,but I believe they’ll get done.

          • Cyborg Denneny

            You forgot Gabriel Landeskog (maybe the most ridiculous example of all at his age)

      • Mat

        I’m not advocating for EK to get it, let’s make that clear. Way to immature, and I don’t like guys for whom “the rules generally don’t apply” as leaders. That’s way too risky. Jason Smith, Luke Richardsson, they got their dues in the form of a job with the organization immediately following their retirement. I can see that happening for either Philips or Neil. Great character guys throughout their careers and great mentors for the youth.

        However, this team is in search of a new identity and my opinion, it shouldn’t come from the past, and it shouldn’t be a re-creation of the past, it should be forged in the now, with the future core of players. My vote is to move on.

        • Sensnation

          Yes, I get it, and it’s not bad to move forward. I hope if that’s the direction that Turris gets it as well. I’m also not in support of Phillips getting it, but I would understand it.

          • Mat

            Understand it, and be disappointed in the team. And then I would come here and bitch about it and get an earful and an uppercut from Peluso…

          • Sensnation

            Haha.

            I meant more that I would understand if the room felt the way Neil does about Phillips. He has more respect in that room then he’ll ever get from the people in the stands.

          • Mat

            You see, I wonder if that’s actually the case. I think players can respect his tenure and his durability, but in game situations, are they waiting for his leadership? Do they expect his actions to set the tone? We don’t know what goes on in the room but I don’t get the impression that he’s “the guy” for the other players. But that’s just my guess of course..

          • Sensnation

            His battle along the boards and in front of the net still earn a lot of respect as in game leadership. His foot speed, not so much. Every player being considered for captain has glaring weaknesses though.

          • Mat

            Good point. I do think Turris plays a pretty complete game though.

          • Sensnation

            Absolutely, he’s the one with the least weaknesses, and it really is that he’s not big enough/hasn’t proven to be 1st line yet. Something I could live with for sure at his age.

    • Zelle

      It would be a mistake giving it to Phillips after what happened with Spezza IMO.

      • Mitchell

        If it makes Phillips ask for a trade I would of given it to him years ago

      • Sensnation

        Wait, are people blaming last year on Spezza’s captaincy or are you alluding to trying to keep Phillips here by giving him the C?

        • Zelle

          No I’m not blaming the year on Spezza’s captaincy, I’m thinking they probably gave him the C because he “paid his dues” and it was the logical choice in terms of pecking order. They probably wanted to be PC about it too, not skipping him for a younger guy. Just my thoughts.

          I was more or less alluding to the fact that we lost two captains in two years and people want to give it to a guy who will likely leave in a season or two? Seems silly.

          • Sensnation

            Ah ok, thanks for clarifying. Completely agree on your reasoning.

            I think Spezza was groomed for it from the start, but Alfie took longer than expected to retire.

          • Zelle

            There is also that, but I’m wondering how they could not know that Spezza was unhappy. Unless I guess he thought being captain would change him. Or maybe management did. It’s difficult to believe his attitude towards the Sens just went from really wanting to be captain to wanting to leave in less than a season. Who knows though… I’m just throwing my thoughts around lol

    • Don Ciccio

      Chris Neil should learn to keep his mouth shut. It is ok for him to believe something like that but quite another to say it. That is how a locker room gets divided and still believe that last year it might have been a problem in the dressing room. It was speculated that Murray wanted Spezza as captain and Maclean wanted Phillips. I am sure that there were many players probably feeling the same way last year. I still remember that press conference announcing Spezza the captain and Phillips being upset about it. If Phillips and Neil are going to pout if Karlsson is named captain then maybe it is better to get rid of them. They don’t need any distractions going into the year.

      • A-Train

        Philips was ridiculous at that event. I’ve always been a big fan of his but that was really disappointing.

        • Don Ciccio

          Yup, I agree…..I have always respected Phillips for what he has brought to this organization but I to was disappointed the way he presented himself when Spezza was named captain.

      • Sandy

        I think McLean wants a player he can lean on like he did with Alfie.
        I don’t think he got that from Spezza.

        • Don Ciccio

          Honest question, did he give Spezza a chance last year? If he wanted Phillips to be the captain then, maybe Spezza understood that Maclean didn’t really trust him as captain…..This is all speculation of course.

  • Mat

    @Sensnation: Thanks for the exchange my friend. Hope we didn’t sound to “negative” and damage Chirps reputation or anything… ; )

    • Sensnation

      Haha, good times as always!

  • A-Train

    Seems like a likely starting lineup Chirp has posted.

    The captaincy is a really tough call though…unless they just give it to Karlsson.

    Philips may not play enough minutes. Neil’s not a captain. Methot seems odd to choose over Karlsson if we’re being honest.

    Legwand is an intriguing option….but that seems too radical for Maclean/Murray.

    • Sensnation

      What do you think about Turris?

      • A-Train

        I have to ask myself, is he:

        A) undeniably the best player on the team?

        Or

        B) an obvious leader of men, above what others on the team bring?

        Because it seems like those are the criteria for an NHL captain at his age.

    • cups

      i’d go with macarthur over methot or legwand, maybe even over turris. i cant really see phillips being given the c unless weir is traded. its gotta be karlsson. for me a captain has to be a gamechanger, plus it might be a great way to be more responsible (not that he is irresponsible) though i said the same about spez…

  • NickofTime

    I don’t think the Senators will address a crowed team, in fact, I think their team is already set regardless of what happens in training camp. I think they go with the 13 forwards you have in your lineup except that Legwand will be the 2nd line centre & not Zibanejad. Legwand has done too much already in the NHL in his career & Zibanejad is still a young player finding his way, maybe next yr. Hoffman, Condra & Stone will likely share & rotate the one forward position available.
    On the blueline, I think Ceci will be sent back to Bingo regardless of how well he did last yr simply because of the numbers & to save EM some money. It’s happened before in Ottawa where a young player got demoted because they had to many one way contracts in the lineup. I also think Lazar will be sent back to junior likely after his nine game stint & Pageau will also start the season in Bingo where he belongs. I doubt there will be any surprises in training camp with the exception of Stone who IMO should be the one young prospect who sticks in Ottawa to start the yr. I expect that Boro, Wiercioch & Phillips will likely share & rotate the one position available on defence.

    • Sandy

      They have to keep enough players so they stay over the cap floor.

      They told Ceci last season to get his own place. I expect he stays.

      • NickofTime

        They still need to sign Lehner to a contract & they are already over the cap floor. I’m guessing Lehner gets $1.5 to $2 mil per yr for 2 or 3 yrs which again will keep them over the cap floor even if they demote Ceci.
        That being said though, Ceci could still stay & they would have 23 players on the roster but they would have 3 players sitting in the press box every night until someone got hurt or traded. I’m not so sure they want to do that, players get ansy sitting around & not playing, not only would it be a distraction it could turn into a negative vibe around the team. IMO it would be better for Ceci to play as much as he could & going down to Bingo he would play top 4 minutes every game. The mistake IMO was re-signing Phillips who I think is done, but I expect Ceci will be back in Ottawa by Xmas, if not sooner.

  • TookieIs100PercentRight

    Couldn’t care less about prospects. Little harsh maybe but I really do only care about this team making and winning in the NHL playoffs; if our depth helps that out so much the better.
    Anyone hear Neil say Phillips should be captain on the radio? Great idea, interim for the win, then let King Karlsson take it from there next year.

  • JayRuN

    I actually like that lineup exactly how it is. As long as phillips aint playin lol

  • Gavin Ray

    In my opinion I think the sens shouldn’t have a captain until karlsson is mature and ready.

    Give the A’s to EK KT and methot

    #youthmovement

  • Max2166

    A trade will be made eventually. For Captain, I still think Karlsson or Turris should get the C. No to The Big Rig nor Chris Neil.

  • OleHeaveHoFlipperoooni

    That line up ain’t half bad. By the way I lovvedd the Duck face pic of your little girl the other day Chirp! Adorable. And you said it perfect lol…. I’m not a fan of the duck face either. My girls are 3 and 8. Love those moments : )

    Based on what I’ve heard and my own personal opinion one or more of Andy, Greening, Condra, Smith, Wiercioch, and Prince could be included in the big mystery deal. I’d add Gryba but with his new contract unfortunately he’s likely not going anywhere. I’d also subtract Wiercioch.

    Like wtf is management thinking,,, 2 years into his NHL career he almost averages a point every 2 games. He’s obviously going to get better, and in a more wide open eastern conference I’d take Wiercioch over Gryba ANYDAY! not to mention Wiercioch and Turry are close friends from BC. Already seen them work some magic together on the PP

    Gonna be interesting to see what they do with the D. In my opinion Boro can be a regular next season and Claesson ain’t far! probably be one of the first call ups.

    I’m gonna go out on a limb here and say if Management gets light of any info saying Bobby is going to test the market next July. TRADE HIM! Simmonds + would be cool

    • Sandy

      Philly won’t trade for Ryan. They will just wait until he reaches UFA.

      • Jakester

        Boston, just might though! Could turn out good for us too.

        • Sandy

          Maybe but they are tight to the cap unless Ericsson is coming back the other way. EK would like that one.

    • CUP 2014-15

      Can you or someone else please teach PW how to play the right side and maybe hit someone, anyone just once in front of our net and he could play in place of EG

  • ChampIsHere

    Phillips better not be made captain .. you can’t healthy scratch a captain :DD

  • Floridasensfan

    Karlsson for Captain is my vote he can lead the team and will get better and better every year.
    I think CP will get it because it baffles me that we resigned him, if baffles me he plays on our power play. Paid his dues is the only logical reason, it sure is not his play.
    Management will make him Captain because of dues,
    If we did not resign CP we could go as we are, now we have to get rid of a young guy with potential to make room for over the hill.

  • BigTrev42

    Il be happier if we do make the playoffs next season but as long as we are ahead of the leafs,I’m good lol

    • Ron

      I’ll drink to that! Cheers!

  • jtf927

    i have been reading alot of information off of nhl.com and the like, and i find that alot of sites are constantly ripping into our team. to be completely honest, i like this line-up more than last years line-up. i feel like our team will be harder on the puck this year, younger, faster, and will back-check more responsibly. and while i will miss spezza’s dazzle, i will not miss all the turnovers and trying to break into an offensive zone all by his lonesome when the defensive line is stacked with 4 players. i am very excited about this upcoming season. my only wished are as follows: 1) murray beats the crap out of his cancer and comes out even more youthful and energized; 2) we find another vetran dman to stabilize the back. i was hoping for a top pairing or even a top 4, but i’ll take a top 6 at this point; and 3) we take some inspiration from teams like the kings or the hawks and realize that we need to be committed to defense and play a solid team game.

    • BigTrev42

      amen to that brother

    • Sandy

      Just need Ryan signed because if he wants to opt to UFA he will be traded and no return will be as good a player as he is.

      • jtf927

        yeah, true. but honestly, if he wants to leave, then leave. we have seen so many players leave that this stuff doesn’t faze me anymore. i agree with neil’s comments. we need players and people who want to play here. 9mm will always have my respect for that reason. when we beat the habs and faced the pens, we did not have any “star” power in our line-up, but rather a team that just worked together. i would have the latter any day of the week.

        • Sandy

          True, but the Sens also need skill.

          • jtf927

            yes, they do need skill. i am just getting sick and tired as a fan of feeling threatened or trapped just because a certain type of player does not want to play for the sens.

      • Kumar

        We don’t want to see back-to back three elite players leaving the organization.

        We need to ink him before the season starts. He will command north of $6.5M with contracts like Bolland, Dubinsky geez! we are in little trouble with “idiotic” signings by some GMs.

        • Sandy

          That’s just it. Stupid spending by some GMs raises the costs for the rest of the teams.

          • jtf927

            absolutely. they screw the market for everyone else.

    • Zelle

      Hockey analysts are like stock analysts. If they say sell you should probably buy. If hockey analysts say you suck, you probably don’t.

      • jtf927

        lol. well said. you verbalised by thoughts exactly. i feel like analysts just follow one anothers opinions as opposed to actually thinking for themselves. if this is indeed the case, than i am very glad they think we will “suck”. :)

        • Zelle

          Exactly! They pick the easy favorites ( Hawks, Kings ) and then make shit up for the rest.

          • jtf927

            no kidding. what a bunch of posers.

  • Floridasensfan

    The Smith conversation is stupid, we have 4 good centers to roll 4 solid lines, Pmac can and will make us dizzy with all the line changes.
    Greening Neil will be all over the place during the year, even the top line. (crazy yes but true) Hoffman Smith Lazar might light it up a lot who knows.
    Smith is definitely not a problem or a player we need to move, tough, can score, defensive, good in the face off circle, three goals less than Zibby. what more do you want from him as a third or fourth line center. I don’t get it.

    • Sandy

      Neither do I, except those calling for him to be traded said we would get a good return.
      So if he would get us a good return that means he’s a good player, so why again are we trading him?

      • Aaron 2.0

        I guess unless you know the return, it’s really impossible to say keep or trade. I’ve said before I thought he’d be a good trade candidate, but for the right return. The thinking was that a) you have to pay good to get good and b) we have depth at C and more holes than swiss cheese at D. I’ve never said flat out that I want him to go. He’s actually one of my favorite players. But, if he was part of something that brought in a top-4 D, I would have been on board.

        I’m not sure it’s so clear cut where the biggest weakness are in the lineup now. The lineup looks so different, it might be worth while seeing how things look. Unfortunately, the one place w/ little change is on D.

        • Sandy

          True we do need that D but what Murray said more or less it’s about getting forwards.

          • Aaron 2.0

            Haha. Yeah, it’s really baffled me, to be honest. I guess we’ll just have to hope for a lot of growth back there this year. I definitely do see the potential. I just worry there really isn’t anybody to bring them along. Karlsson is so young, and plays the game so different than anybody else, the other young guys probably can’t (shouldn’t) model their game after him. And, unfortunately, Phillips is just getting old to be the lead by example vet. We could use one solid vet back there, and I’d feel A LOT better about the D.

      • Zelle

        He is the perfect bottom 6 center. No trade unless he gets us a top 6 center/forward. Easy peasy.

    • Zelle

      “Greening Neil will be all over the place during the year, even the top line.” Your reasoning?

    • Deadly

      Your right , but he has appeal and might be movable.
      Condra and others might not be movable.

  • Kumar

    We have 4 players expandable. Greening and Condra upfront replaced by Pageau & Grant. May be even Lazar if he truly shows up in the first 9 games try out.

    In D, we could move Wiercioch and Gryab or at least one. Their spots can be filled via trade and grab Boychuk and Borowiecki.

    • Deadly

      Easy peasy,
      Just like that.
      We make it sound so easy on this site but in the real world ,it’s not that easy.

      • Zelle

        haha are you quoting me?!

        • Deadly

          Just back from a dentist appointment and I think he froze my brain.Read down the page and got to your message and thought …crap..plagiarism..sorry but you’re right.

          • Deadly

            Drooling all over the place.

          • Jakester

            Like Kramer, you can’t taste the Macinaw’s!

          • Zelle

            That’s a hilarious coincidence lol I hate getting my mouth frozen at the dentist, I always try to eat too soon.

    • Gavin Ray

      We only have 3 right D and Gryba’s contract is amazing. I doubt they trade him

  • Frankie Fives

    The Team Captain in hockey is the most overrated and ridiculous thing in all major sports. No matter who wears the “C”, the leaders in the room will remain the same. I find it so stupid how much time is spent discussing this topic. It’s a TEAM sport and when you single out a player by giving him the captaincy, it can actually cause problems. Once Alfie left, I can bet the locker room was split between “Spezza guys” and “Phillips guys” which is not a good thing. My vote would be no Captain for one year. Rotate Assistants for the season and re-evaluate next year

    • Ron

      Agree!

  • sprucesens

    here’s something positive. My wife gave birth to a new sens fan!! grampa tried to ruin it by bringing in a bruins onesie, but i made sure the first team to touch her skin was sens! Jessica is the new number one fan. Go sens GO

    • LeafsSux

      Beautiful!

    • Jakester

      Wow she’s pretty, Sens fan in OIL country I believe! Congrats!

      • sprucesens

        yup, she’s in oil country, but i’ll teach her right! much to the chagrin of my wife

    • Zelle

      Congratulations!!

    • A-Train

      Very nice. He’ll grow up remembering Curtis Lazar, the wily old veteran.

      • Jakester

        She, She, lol

        • A-Train

          Edit!

    • Sandy

      Congrats.

    • Deadly

      Can’t wait for the baby spruce first post.

    • CUP 2014-15

      CONGRATS !!!!!! Nothing like kids man. Lots of reasons to get your ass to work every day now,LOL

    • laffin681021

      Congrats!

    • Cyborg Denneny

      Nice one!

    • Senswest

      Congrats!!!!

    • Don Ciccio

      congrats and great picture

    • Aaron 2.0

      Holy hair! Congrats.

    • SensChirp

      Amazing! Congratulations!

    • Cicero

      Congrats :) How sweet and wonderful!

  • Zelle

    Rewatching some of last season’s games. Man Corvo was scary… at least we upgraded with Ceci there! At least one plus going into this season ;)

  • silver seven

    I have no problem with Smith getting ice time at all, have the sens ever given him quality offensive wingers for any extended period of time?—NO. Paul Mac knows hockey, no one can dispute that, also no one on here is privy to what sort pressure the management puts on the coaching staff RE: player deployment. I personally love teams that roll all 4 with an obvious focus on giving players who show a larger skill level and hose who play smart hockey. As far as the line up is concerned, yes, somehing looks as hough i

    • Shibal

      You probably don’t know that Smith averaged 15 mins of icetime last season; however picked up the second most amount of penalty minutes behind neil – most of them were stupid penalties.

    • Cyborg Denneny

      Put Smith as the LW with Legwand and Chiasson.

  • Zelle

    Talking about 5v3s down below it reminded me of this:

    Senators kill a full 2mins 5v3
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTuEnfwp4dg

    • http://batman-news.com Johnny Skills

      The drum was good at 1:44….I’d love to get in Sens Org and improve the game experience.
      There is a good summer topic for you Chirp. We should come up with some ways to improve in game experience for fans. make the CTC hard to play in or at least have a cool atmosphere.
      Get Sens Army involved in that.
      Then present it to team.

      • SensChirp

        I like it!

        • http://batman-news.com Johnny Skills

          It’s all about those trademark things teams do. Like Fenway’s green monster. The dog pound in Cleveland, the cheeseheads in Green Bay, Columbus has the fake cannon. Chicago had the cool song that everybody sang to. Baseball 7th inning stretch. Stuff like that.

          Here is a couple ideas I had:

          1. I grew up in Ottawa and as a kid, I remember some of the things the 67’s used to do. There was a Bingo card in every program and they’d call out numbers throughout the game. They also did a good ole fashioned shootout with the slightly bigger than a puck sized hole in center. I always liked that and the ties to Ottawa 67’s is good. Get Jeff Hunt to do it for 67’s too…make it an Ottawa hockey trademark.

          2. I’d also give two prices at the concession stand. Full price for those without a Sens jersey/shirt and a discounted price for people with Sens jersey/shirt. Sometimes the fans look like they are at an NAC musical, not a hockey game.

          3. Randomly send out Sens staff to look for kids with team pride (like face paint, jerseys, etc..) and give them a “Proudest fan” pin…kids could collect them and end up with a jersey full of “proudest fan” pins. Sounds weird but when you go to a baseball game, do you bring a glove? Of course, cuz you know you want to catch that foul ball…well same idea, you hand out pins and kids will start gearing up when they come to the game cuz they want that pin. Then when they are adults, they just know, you wear team gear when you go to the game…its just the way it is! Hell, the ushers could just have the pins and hand them out in their sections.

          4. I liked Stuntman’s thing where when we scored a goal, he would say the first name, and then let the crowd yell the last name. I did feel that some/most fans weren’t “on” to it…but maybe they need to teach it somehow.

          5. Bring back trumpet guy… doesn’t matter who does the trumpeting….just that sound played to rally the team. And like I said…that drumming was cool.

          6. Barber pole jerseys and socks

          7. Get some players to toss some more pucks to the kids…like Chris Neil does EVERY game. That’s why people like Chris Neil…he’s a player that remembers being a fan.

          I’m going to stop there…..back to my real job!

          • CUP 2014-15

            Johnny, I like a lot of this and I am now officially a senior citizen and have been to most ballparks, football stadiums and arenas and the Yanks know how to sell. One thing the White socks use to do was they had gates for family entrance that would lead to the family sections, they set up clowns making balloons and face painting for the kids. At the other entrances it was beer tents and bands. This made for a better environment as no one wants to be pounding beers around kids.
            I also think that the Sweet Caroline song at MSG has become an anthem of the Rangers. The way the Yankees chant the players name until he acknowledges them before moving on to the next player just before the game starts.
            One thing I do like about the way the Americans treat their sports is that they like to make it a tough place to play for opposing players. I would suggest chanting a players name after a PP goal but not the scorer, no, no. That’s too easy, chant the name of the player that was in the box, something like thank-you Kessel, thank-you Kessel. anything that makes it fun.

          • Zelle

            Those are all great suggestions. Is there a place we can submit suggestions to the organization? I’m going to copy these down.

      • runningbear1974

        I really loved that Pageau chant… That was awesome experience…

    • SensChirp

      I am in this video. Sort of.

  • Muckalt

    I love all the ‘all BM has to do is trade player X for player X + 5′. It sounds so easy. Then I realize I am trying to sell or trade my cheap outboard and I can’t even get that done. It makes me realize that his job is hard. If I can’t trade an outboard, maybe I am in no position to comment on BM’s ability to move millions of dollars worth of human assets on a schedule that suits my entertainment needs.

    • Deadly

      But wait,from Vancouver to the Islanders ,then to Ottawa…you got traded lots of times.
      Guess it was easier back then before the Cap was installed.
      What’s the cap hit on your outboard?

  • Gavin Ray

    I think that the reason why trade rumours are actively targetting Smith is because the hawks have been interested in acquiring him.

    • Cyborg Denneny

      No to trading Z. Smith
      No to trading anything at all with Tim Murray.

      • Cyborg Denneny

        …not even a hand shake ( unless you’re already missing all your fingers)

      • Gavin Ray

        Would you do Hjalmarsson for Smith and wiercioch?

        • Cyborg Denneny

          Strangely, no. And I get to view Hawks games quite a bit since I’m back & forth from Chicago. Just of the view that “if it ain’t broke…”. Z. Smith is one of the few bright lights of the bottom 6 IMO (Condra too). What’s more, he’s already won a championship for this franchise ( as has Condra) and what would we do when Neil disappears a year (2 years:-) from now?

          • Cyborg Denneny

            I’d get rid of Greening, Borowiecki & possibly possibly Anderson though, if it would bring back something worthwhile.

  • Millennium

    If Lazar makes the team, they should try moving Ryan back to LW.

    Macarthur Turris Stone
    Ryan Zibanejad Chiasson
    Michalek Legwand Lazar
    Hoffman Smith Condra
    Neil

    (Greening magically given away).

    • IAmThePaulrus

      that is magic!

  • the dj

    Maybe its the beer talking but humor me for a moment lets say we make cp4 and cn25 co captains then next year poof they will be gone and we loose 4 captains in 3 years lol

    • runningbear1974

      Yeah… some people will say that’s an indication that the organization is going down… 2 captains in 2 years is terrible… 3 captains in 3 years is even more terrible…

      • the dj

        buf had co captains once and i think they both left the same year briere was 1 i cant remember the other

  • Brutus5247

    Captain Qualities:
    200ft game hard working every shift.

    Lead by example.
    Plays leading minutes.
    Has a plus rating.(responsible)
    Minimal penalty time.
    Good motivator NOT a pouter.
    Turris Methot Karlsson??

    • Gavin Ray

      Make three alternate captains instead of 1 C + 2 A

      • Laurence Babchyuk

        I like that idea

        Sadly, Phillips will be one of those A.. Neil the second

    • http://batman-news.com Johnny Skills

      What about someone that commands respect…even if that is simply appearance. Lidstrom wasn’t very mean, but he was a big body. Giroux isn’t big, but you know he’ll stand up for himself and teammates when push comes to shove.
      And then I get on my soap box about Alfie again…really pisses me off. 17 seasons, had all the qualities you mentionned and more, scored those huge goals when you really needed him…he EARNED my respect over the years. He was the face of the franchise and we treated him so poorly that he left behind his legacy to play for another team….and No, this is not like the Ray Bourque situation. Bourque had fan support. I’m sure all or most of us would not have ever wanted Alfie to leave.
      And those of you that blame Alfie should reallyl look at all the factors and events surrounding it.
      1. Was he previous deal a 1yr tacked on but never planned on playing it.
      2. What was the communication like with him and his agent
      3. What was the plan to make a run for the Cup..(budget team issue).
      ARGH. This topic really gets me going…fuming
      To me the obvious choice is the same as last year. Go with Phillips then make your decision. Like Lidstrom after Yzerman. Of couse you got more years with Lidstrom but still. You can rely on Phillips, he’s the Big Rig…solid and steady!
      Then see. I like Karlsson’s skill but I think he is puny and will collapse as a C in the playoffs…I need a tougher Captain. A well rounded player as opposed to a star in only certain components of the game.

      • runningbear1974

        Unfortunately there’s a huge difference between (Yzerman, Lidstrom) and (Alfie, Phillips)…
        One group are winners, hall of famers (and justifiably so)…
        The other group are posers (I think only sens fans would argue those guys belong in hall of fame)… They never accomplished anything… We never ever won a playoff series we shouldn’t have (as underdogs)… (Except the very first against New Jersey back in 1996 or something like that)
        The only reason to make Phillips the captain is because he’s old…

        • http://batman-news.com Johnny Skills

          I’ve seen a lot of comments on here about runningbear1974′s antics so I should not get goated in but I will say that Alfie is definetely HofF worthy. No question and I won’t even begin a list of why he is.

        • KJ

          No offense here man, but saying “They never accomplished anything… ” is a ridiculous and ignorant statement in regards to Alfie, and I am not saying that as a Sens fan. Alfie has accomplished a lot over his career. Yes he hasn’t won a Stanley Cup, but playing over 1000 games in the NHL, is no small feat. Not to mention scoring over a 1000 points. Winning a Stanley Cup is NOT a criteria for being selected to the HHoF btw. The only criteria are as follows: A) Player:- Playing ability, sportsmanship, character and their contribution to the team or teams and to the game of hockey in general. B) Players must have concluded their career as an active player for a minimum of three playing seasons.

          Alfie will meet both of those criteria when he retires, and the nomination committee will obviously make a subjective decision using the above criteria and measure it against other nominations about whether he is worthy or not. So, based on the above, and respect from his peers, mentors, coaches, General Managers, and colleagues that he has earned, I would say his chances of receiving nomination when he is eligible is pretty high, and whether his nomination is voted in by the committee remains to be seen. But, I bet he gets in on his second or third nomination after eligibility (3 years after retirement).

    • http://batman-news.com Johnny Skills

      PS. Maybe Lazar emerges as the C….like Landeskog in Colorado!

    • Laurence Babchyuk

      Karlsson is the captain
      Second choice would be Turris

  • Gavin Ray

    Greening for 4th round pick
    Condra for 4th round pick
    Chiasson + Wiercioch + Smith + 2nd round pick + 4ths for Sharp + hjalmarsson

    Sharp – ZBad – Ryan
    MacA – Turris – Stone
    Michalek – Legwand – Lazar
    Hoffman – Pageau – Neil

    Hjalmarsson – King Karl
    Methot – Ceci
    Cowen – Gryba

    • http://batman-news.com Johnny Skills

      Already trading Chiasson…

    • Laurence Babchyuk

      God I’m glad you are not Murray.

      Condra is a valuable 4th line pk guy,
      Greening is young, big and fast. He’s worth more then a 4th round

      Chiasson is a big power foreward who had a great season before he got hurt.

      I would only do something like WC + smith for hjalmarsson and something else
      So that we could make room for a center.

      Downsizing our assets is a big mistake that the fans make in trade proposal. We think that our players have less value then they actually have.

      Oh just throw away Condra, greening, Cowen …. For a bag of pucks.

      This team is better then we think. We got better as soon as spezza hit that door,
      If we could add a wing and maybe a defence we are dandy !

      All I’m saying is I like this team so far… It looks like a pesky lineup that will have fast breakouts and be hard to play against. The only player that I don’t like on this club is chris Phillips

    • cups

      that d would be something, hammer in phillips out, it seems like a dream scenario tho. sharp is one helluva player, but i dunno about the age thing, would rather get a younger piece (like kane) or go with a younger piece we already have and see what happens. would be kinda sad to see condra go too, mainly for the jokes that come from his imbalance of ability/inability, but i could get over him, he is american after all.

  • runningbear1974

    Hey Chirp, I have a suggestion for a couple of topics… “Saying goodbye to Alfie”, and “Saying goodbye to Spezza”… It would be good to have a spot where we can say all the good and bad stuff about these guys…

    • SensChirp

      Haven’t we been doing that for months?

      • runningbear1974

        Yes, but I would like to do that in 1 location as opposed to throughout every topic…

        • Spoons

          Move on, dude. I know its tough when your girlfriend leaves you, but have to move on.

          • runningbear1974

            That’s how I feel… I have moved on… I’m just surprised at people’s perceptions of Alfie… I think the fans are fanatic about him, when really… He’s just another nice swede doing nice stuff, like they all do… Nothing special…
            I had tears during the Jim Rome interview… I was completely incredulous when alfie signed with Detroit… I kept telling my friends that it couldn’t possibly happen, there’s absolutely no way…
            And btw… Jim Rome didn’t talk about how special Alfie was… He talked about how special the fans were about their treatment of Alfie…

          • Doc

            You haven’t. You just said you wanted closure.

            Nobody was talking about those guys until you brought them up.

          • runningbear1974

            You’re right I haven’t moved on… I was going to comment on what other people said (about Alfie and Phillips) and realized I was just spewing my shit again, so instead decided to ask for a special section to hash out these things… And that started this conversation…

          • Doc

            Fair enough.

          • runningbear1974

            and by the way.. .I asked a fair question… Can we have a special section… And the response I got was antagonistic… “Don’t you already whine too much”… So, I’m not to blame for this stupid thread… And… Then some other people start calling me a vagina…
            It wasn’t me… It was Chirp and his cronies…

          • Pasky

            SensChirp runningbear1974 • 10 minutes ago
            With all due respect, I have been answering these questions for you for months. You just don’t like the answers.

            That’s a little different compared to “Don’t you already whine too much”

            And if it makes you feel better I’ll apologize for saying you have sand in your vagina, it’s an expression in my circle of friends we use as a joke to explain why someone is in a crappy mood and picks fights and shit. We all get that you have an opinion and shit but when people disagree with you you don’t have to fly off the handle try to verbally destroy everyone…

          • runningbear1974

            That wasn’t his first reply… And I think he edited the first reply, very slightly…
            And, he didn’t answer the question, yes or no… He could have said, yes good suggestion, or no, not going to bother doing that…
            Now there’s extra long thread about nothing… Because someone decided to be antagonistic… And it wasn’t me… But I will defend myself, especially when certain people’s only point they are making is to be rude…
            So be it… No special section…

          • Pasky

            So we can agree this is useless and we should just quit bitching about past players? I mean the Alfie thing was over a year ago and the Spezza thing will get brought up when it gets to his first game against us so we should just wait till then.

          • CUP 2014-15

            Bingo, ahhhh your a wise one Pesky. Enough of past Sens, still can’t believe we traded away Paval Demitra, LOL

          • Pasky

            Yea that was something else…..

            No matter on everyone’s different beliefs about different players and signings and trades and prospects, there will always be a rallying point for every Sens fan to remember, F(rank) Yashin!

            Now I’m done bitching about past players lol

          • CUP 2014-15

            Perfect !!!

          • runningbear1974

            At the time I was proud of how the Sens let Yashin sit out the year… I thought they managed that well..

          • Doc

            See, that’s exactly why you’re in the situation you are in now.

            First, you’re putting words in people’s mouth. Second, you did start this and now you are on the defensive based on the responses you got. Third, saying “Chirp and his cronies” will get you nowhere and only proves their point.

            This is just silly and you’re only adding fuel to the fire.

      • runningbear1974

        For example… Everyone loves Alfie… But, was he greater than Iginla to Calgary, or Naslund to Vancouver, or the Sedins… Is it only the Sens fans that think so highly of him… What about the Jim Rome interview? Why did he sign on July 1st with Detroit… Why was there talk of him retiring for the last for years when clearly he wanted to keep playing..

        • SensChirp

          I’m not sure you’re gonna like the answers to these questions. #TooNegative

          • zippy

            Zing!!!

          • BeJamin

            You must be getting stressed and bored if you’re actually responding to RunningBear SC hahaha, I don’t think I’ve ever seen you bother with that sort of nonsense before. It’s usually me who outright calls a spade a spade. (Letting certain posters know exactly what I think their opinions are worth… lol)

          • SensChirp

            Ha. Been a tough couple days around these parts.

          • runningbear1974

            that’s why suggesting to have a special topic just for this stuff… get it all out, hash it out…

          • SensChirp

            With all due respect, I have been answering these questions for you for months. You just don’t like the answers.

          • runningbear1974

            I’m not asking you stuff… There’s nothing to answer… I’m giving my perspective which is different than yours… I think you’re biased towards loving Spezza and Alfie… That’s your prejudiced… I’m biased in thinking they’re just money wanting hockey players…
            I don’t think either or those guys are winners… If building a cup winning team, no one, except sens fans, would choose to put Spezza or Alfie on it… No one, except sens fans…

          • Spoons

            There’s no sense in bashing them. Seems to me you like beating on dead horses.

          • runningbear1974

            I did ask for a special section to have this discussion to work it all out, and then move on… This response seems like a “no”… So, i’ll just share my opinion when I feel it might be useful…
            Alfie versus Iginla… Alfie versus Naslund… Alfie versus Sundin… Alfie versus Bourque…

          • BeJamin

            Nobody cares.

          • Pasky

            Just out of curiosity, how did you come up with Bourque? Not attacking you or anything but I’m legitimately curious what he had in common with Iginla/Naslund/Sundin… I get those 3 as they we’re all faces and captains of Canadian franchises, not too mention forwards compared to Bourque as a D captain of Boston.

            Either way Bourque trumps all 4 easily.

          • runningbear1974

            Comparing how Bourque left the Bruins versus the way that Alfie left the Sens…
            Bruins were a declining team, so he left for a cup contender, and he left in a somewhat honourable way… With tears… The fan base approved of the move and were happy about it for him…
            I don’t think anyone was happy that Alfie left…

          • Pasky

            Oh kk, well yea Bourque still all the way lol

          • SensChirp

            Ha. Somebody is looking for an argument this morning.

          • runningbear1974

            Really… That’s your perspective… I asked for a special section… Your comment was “You don’t need special section you’ve been spewing your shit for months”… And then you claim I’m the one looking for an argument…

          • SensChirp

            What in the world are you going on about? Nobody else was talking about it in this thread. You brought it up…

          • runningbear1974

            yeah… this is what I said…

            “”"”"Hey Chirp, I have a suggestion for a couple of topics… “Saying goodbye to Alfie”, and “Saying goodbye to Spezza”… It would be good to have a spot where we can say all the good and bad stuff about these guys…

            “”"”"”
            And what was your comment? Yes or no? Or were you being argumentative?

          • Pasky

            Someone give this guy a wet nap so he can wipe the sand out of his vagina…. Maybe then he’ll quit being so negative all the time lol

          • runningbear1974

            I’m positive about players like Turris, Zibanejad, Ceci, Lehner…
            Not about Spezza, Alfie, Phillips, and Neil…

          • Pasky

            I’m talking about in general dude, any comment I see from you lately has been trashing about anything and everything.

          • runningbear1974

            I’ll try and pay attention… I don’t agree with most… That applies to everything in life… If someone says something has to be a certain way, I question that…

          • runningbear1974

            actually… I don’t agree… A bunch of you call me vagina and stuff like that…
            1) I completely believe in this new roster and I support it, the majority of you are negative about that, I’m not
            2) the majority of you are negative about melnyk, and I’m not, he’s a douchebag but I don’t care…

          • Pasky

            I never called you a vagina, I just suggested that you might have sand in your vagina. It would get itchy and annoying if true and that would make me crabby too.

          • PatD

            so the guys who have been the faces of the franchise for the past 5-10 years? That makes sense

          • Doc

            Dude seriously. Give it a rest or take a break from the ‘net a bit.

            You’ve been having arguments with various posters for the last month or so. I know it’s the dog days of summer, but it’s getting tiresome.

          • runningbear1974

            again… I’m not to blame… It was Chirp that gave an antagonistic response…
            Several people here are rude, it’s not me… I understand Chirp is the leader so have to be loyal to him, but… I find some of the responses quite rude and unprofessional…

          • Doc

            And why do you think people are being rude?

          • RUSH RLZ

            Obviously it’s a problem with all of us, not with him. Smarten up Doc!

          • runningbear1974

            People are rude for all sorts of reasons… Maybe the way they were raised… Maybe it reflects their values…
            What I do know as a FACT, is I’m not responsible for other people’s behaviour, only my own behaviour… And that’s a fact, not sure what research you need to do to confirm this… Also, I think the internet is known for having Bullying type behaviour…

          • Doc

            Well, if that’s the way you perceive things, then it’s part of the problem.

            You might not be directly responsible, but your actions can affect other people’s behaviour.

          • runningbear1974

            It is not my perception… It’s a fact… I’m only responsible for my behaviour… I’m not responsible for other people calling me names, that’s completely up to them…

          • Doc

            You’re completely missing the point.

            YOUR actions and YOUR behaviour can be the main reason why other people act a certain way towards you. THAT’S fact.

            If you can’t see that, than you’re a bigger part of the problem than you think.

          • Pasky

            There’s a test on Oprah’s website that test whether or not you have a rude behavior… Can that be considered enough research to confirm for everyone?

            http://www.oprah.com/spirit/Are-You-a-Rude-Person-Quiz

          • bluebuyyoo

            You just proved SC’s point. You have been spouting the same shit and shitting all over Spezza and Alfie since last year. Please feel free to create your own blog where you can trash them daily to your heart’s content. Something like RunningBear1974-verbal-diarrhea.com.
            Sorry to be so harsh, but get over it dude! They are gone and we have a new group to cheer for this year.

          • runningbear1974

            What is SC’s point that he proved? I asked for a topic to have this discussion so it doesn’t happen on every topic…
            I’m also sick of hearing about how Melnyk sucks, and how we hurt Alfie…

          • bluebuyyoo

            SC said that he and many others have been answering the Alfie/Spezza questions for months and you don’t like the answers. You proved that by continuing to ask.

          • runningbear1974

            I wasn’t really asking… I was wanting a section that we could have all the questions talked about… I don’t want answers… I want to hear different perspectives…

          • Pasky

            You can always start your own blog and rant on there? Or write up a ChirpEd and that will give a new comment section.

          • RUSH RLZ

            Yeah… here is an idea. Why don’t you eff off to Eklund’s site instead?

          • runningbear1974

            I asked a fair question… Chirp and his cronies have been quite rude… eff off, vagina… I asked for special section, and now I’m being attacked… Wasn’t me… He could have said Yes or No… But, instead he decided he was going to be antagonistic… I’ve been polite as opposed to some of you people… And now the conversation has turned weird… But again.. It’s not me…

          • CUP 2014-15

            Agree Bear, I have had enough of talking about ex-sens but in no way do you deserve all the crap your getting. You sure as hell are not that negative, at least nowhere near as much as some others. Keep the head up, forget about ex-sens and as far as being jumped on for making a request, just let it all go pal.

          • runningbear1974

            thank you :)

          • RUSH RLZ

            He asked, Chirp says it’s been talked about enough already. If someone wants to argue and go on and on and onnnnnn about a issue, it is a problem with them, not a problem with the 98% of people who disagree with him. The answer was “no”, deal with it.

          • CUP 2014-15

            So Bear gets blasted endlessly over making a request for something that has been covered over and over again. I get that the request was one that we have all had too much of but to attack him about being negative or childish name calling is just unacceptable. That high school shit has no place here. He has taken more abuse then Tooks ever takes and over what? Just let it go and move on.

          • BeJamin

            His posts are annoying, so people find him annoying. What are you his mom? The internet police? Get off your high horse lol

          • CUP 2014-15

            Ya, easy to tell it’s summer and high school is out

          • Pasky

            I think it’s more that the NHL is out and less about school. If we had a gameday today no one would give a shit about this he-said-she-said bullshit, or about Alfie or Spezza.

            People would be bitching about how Greening is playing 15 minutes a game and Lazar got sent back to juniors lol

          • laffin681021

            Pretty sure when he said “haven’t we been doing that for months” implies a “no”. Get over it dude. not trying to bash you but just let it go.

          • spezzerman

            Jim Nill did, and he is smarter than you and I.

          • runningbear1974

            I guess we’ll have to wait and see about that…

          • KJ

            been there…done that! let it go.

          • runningbear1974

            I don’t remember that we did do that… I must have missed that day… People are still talking about how we ran Spezza and Alfie out of town… How about you tell them to let it go?

          • KJ

            its wasted energy… I have been on Chirps board for a very long time. I post some times, but have read almost all the thousands of posts since what feels like the beginning of time. Spezza, Alfie, and our “douchebag” owner as you called him have been discussed, debated, argued to death. A lot of the times, it just goes south like this one is going.

      • runningbear1974

        Out of all the good players to have played the game, where is Alfie? Would you choose alfie or iginla on your team?

        • Pasky

          Alfie, and that’s coming from an Iginla fan

      • spezzerman

        feels like years ;)

        • Sandy

          Agreed. We need something positive to happen for a change

          • Pasky

            This image sums it up….

  • Pasky

    I would do some trades just to get rid of bodies for draft picks in this year’s draft. NJ only have 6D signed, and that’s counting Merrill who’s really the only prospect that looks like he’s ready to make the jump. Add the fact that 4 out of 5 remaining D are over 30 and they seem like a great trading partner. Ship Weir out to them for a 2nd in this year’s draft and problem solved on the back end.

    People like him including myself but Phillips has the bottom pairing for the next 2 years, Cowen is not being given up on by the team so he’s got the second pairing, Methot is the only other proven Top 4D and unless he tells the team that he refuses to sign an extension right now the team will keep him. And since Weir isn’t effective on the right side he becomes expendable by the team.

    • AutoTurris

      While I agree one hundo p with what you have said, it pains me that this is our reality. Phillips is the only true expendable D body we have and it looks like he is going to get the C… I understand PR moves and politics but that is a joke. Not only will out bottom pair of #4 and #62 be slow as shit, this will be another move that Ryan will most likely view as step in the wrong direction.

      I’m not saying you’re wrong; we all know this will happen. I’m saying THEY’RE wrong. If Phillips had two brain cells to rub together he would have retired last year and let the kids take the reins. His contract pisses me off to no end, such a lack of foresight from the management. God.

      Rant over.

      • Spoons

        I wonder if the Sens will offer Phillips a player-coach role? Maybe not this year, but maybe on his final contract year. He’d be like the 8th D-Man and when he doesn’t play, he’s behind the bench.

        I don’t know if it’s possible, but I’d actually love that move.

      • Pasky

        I agree about 95%, everything except for the Ryan’s view as step in the wrong direction. Although yes it might look like we made our team worse by resigning him, defense is also played by how well you understand the game and player tendencies, and Phillips is a very good mentor in that sense. We have a lot of young guys on our team and we need a few veterans to teach them the game, otherwise we’d be the Oilers and fail every year. I don’t want him to be Captain as that might be a step in the wrong direction, but if he accepts that especially next year he should play like 60 games a year instead of 82 then I have no issue with Phillips getting resigned.

        The other way Ryan would look at it is that Phillips has more than paid his dues to the team and the team rewarded him. Even though maybe signing him would hurt the team, management put the player first since the player has put his heart and soul into this team. It shows loyalty to players that give their all for the team and not all franchises are willing to treat players that good. This can also be coupled the Fisher traded to Nashville and Spezza wanting an opportunity elsewhere.

        • AutoTurris

          I was just about to comment back to Spoons saying that I know #4 has a veteran quality that was really enticing to the management because of the development it would bring to our young guys. I get that. What I don’t get is the 2 years.

          We could have sent Ceci down this year and had CP play bottom pairing and mentoring players and then said bye-bye and had Ceci in a line-up of developed players. But no. The management went overboard and I would say our team is suffering as a result.

          • Pasky

            Yea I think the 1 year was for a mentor, the 2nd year was to thank him for his services since that’s what he wanted, that’s where the whole player loyalty thing comes in. Like I said if he plays full time this year I can live with it as long as he worked on conditioning this summer, but next year I’d like him to sit as many games as possible and take the mentor role.

            And the whole Ceci thing is because he’s a right handed D player. asides from Karlsson and Gryba he’s all we got so might as well keep him. This just affects Weircioch the most if you ask me.

          • AutoTurris

            Which, as I’m sure everyone in here will agree with, is the pits. Weir will be an important part on someone’s blueline on day, it just sucks that we run Alfie and Spezz out of town and have to sacrifice talent to show “we care” about our lifers.

            Anyway, too negative, how do you all feel about the movie Shrek 2?

          • Pasky

            I thought we we’re taking a break with the negativity? :)

          • KJ

            Yes. Stop with the negativity. Stats are not the be all and end all. Players opinions of teammates matter, and Chris Phillips is one respected team mate on the Senators team. I bet he gets the “C” for one season.

    • Spoons

      I agree we’ve got a clusterf*ck on D, but trading away Weircioch scares me. He’s got what it takes to be a solid top 4 D-man, and last year’s advanced stats showed that.

      Before trading Weir, I’d trade Cowen or Gryba. Phillips is a bit of an untoucheable because of his longstanding tenure as a Sen (I’m not a fan of that, but oh well)

  • Pasky

    For the forwards group, one team I would maybe look at is the Carolina Hurricanes. They only have 11 forwards signed as of right now, and under 6M in cap space to add at least 2 bodies. Based on http://www.hockeysfuture.com/teams/carolina_hurricanes/, they don’t have too many forwards in the prospect pool that can come up, and Lindholm is included in that 11 forwards group. We can maybe ship out at least one of Greening, Hoffman or Condra for a mid round draft pick. I would even package a prospect that may not get an opportunity on this team because of the lack of depth to get a 2nd. Carolina will be a lottery pick so even a 2nd would be in the Top 40 in this year’s deep draft.

    I’d rather keep Condra unless the team has no interest in resigning him once he’s a UFA this year anyways, but a deal like Hoffman/Greening + (prospect) for 2nd 2015 & 4th 2016 would be ideal & may work for both parties.

  • Senatollah

    You know what this team needs, help from the NHL. Last two labour stoppages were not kind to the Sens. So what can the NHL do?

    Expansion! Two teams. Both in the US so it doesn’t shoot the salary cap upper limit too high too quick like a Canadian based team (looking at you Quebec City and TorontoII). This would provide instant revenue to the team which is apparently needed. It would also allow us to leave certain players unprotected to be pick up as we wont be buying them out. By Colin Greening, bye Chris Phillips.

    Just a pipe dream but wouldnt it be great to hear expansion teams to start next year in Seattle and Kanas City.

    • Pasky

      Those are the exact same 2 teams I can see in the West. Seattle for obvious reasons, and Kansas City not only because they have an arena already built, but the close proximity to St-Louis would give them an instant rival. And divisions can stay the same just add the 2 teams in the West and done. QC will probably get a relocation team, one of Florida, NJ, Phoenix or Columbus if the city doesn’t support what will become a winning product.

    • Sandy

      There are teams worse financially than the Sens, but they still manage to spend more. Now why would that be?
      The issue will be for about half of the NHL teams if the cap limit goes to 90M. A lot of teams couldn’t afford to spend to the floor and that includes Ottawa.

      • Pasky

        It seems less like we can’t afford to spend, and more that Melnyk isn’t willing to spend, unless there’s a legitimate reason to. Ryan to me is a legitimate reason, as if we let him go because of a budgetary reason then Melnyk knows that the whole fan base will give up and the team will have zero fan base to make money off of. We’ll see what happens in the future but right now I don’t have a major issue with the budget as we aren’t in a position to make a cup run yet with this young of a core.

      • CUP 2014-15

        I think you answered your own question young lady. They are worse off financially because they manage to spend more.

  • Dirtysweetness

    I read yesterday Chris Neil wants CP to be captain.

    • KJ

      Yes. If it were up to him, that would be his choice. “Phillips has paid his dues”. I heard him on the team. CTV donated the clip to tsn1200, which they aired yesterday afternoon on The Drive.
      Neil is not being traded, IMO. He lives and breaths Ottawa Senators. He’ll likely pull 4th line duties next season, but he is a guy who wants to be here.

    • Brutus5247

      My guess is the players want neither.

  • OleHeaveHoFlipperoooni

    Hoooooolllllllllyyyyy Shit, This has got to be one of the most random whiny “rants” if you will, that I ever seen on the internet…

  • bluebuyyoo

    Hey Runningbear! Do you work for Comcast?.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYUvpYE99vg

  • Brutus5247

    I hope that they don’t choose captains based on age/service. This is hopefully a young progressive team and naming some older guys who play third and fourth line minutes seems counter intuitive. Yes, CP4 is the old general who is about to retire, but maybe someone with some youth and leadership abilities would be the better longterm choice.

  • Frankie Fives

    Chirp, can I have a special section where we can discuss whether or not Runningbear is or has a vagina?

    • Brutus5247

      Summer holidays, high school students should have a job.

      • Frankie Fives

        I was merely poking fun at both he and Pasky going back and forth about vaginas. If you don’t have a sense of humour, that’s not my fault

    • Zelle

      Yay sexism on the internet, how refreshing.

  • laffin681021

    So yes, I know it’s Eklund saying it and I never would actually believe the rumor, but he’s reporting that we are interested in Del Zotto. The only reason I bring it up is because were we not interested in him earlier in the year? Obviously something has to get done on the D in order to even bring him in IF it’s actually true..but who knows. I’m always very cautious about Eklunds “rumors” but it’s worth a tiny discussion.

    • Brutus5247

      Points per game has decreased each of the last three years. Not that good defensively, shoots left. A lot like PW. CAN’T see him here on the left side. Already have 5 on the left side. I think that Ecklund is full of fecal matter.

      • laffin681021

        Fair enough. Let’s just say for shits and giggles we package PW, a prospect and a pick for a quantity for quality trade. I truly believe (and I may be wrong) that Ceci will start in the minors so that would leave us with 6 D. Could be a target if something like that happens, no?

        • Brutus5247

          I think we’d need to move 2 D if someone comes in. I think they want Ceci up. He has a decent year and because of CONTRACTS he needs to go down. Looks kind of inefficient. Boro seems to be in a bad position. #5 left side Dman, so so season, little NHL experience. Grit and thats it. If someone else, preferably a forward could step up the grit aspect then Boro becomes very expendable.

          • laffin681021

            I guess it would all depend on training camp on whether Ceci stays. I believe he needs to have a strong camp to stay. They apparently have no problem sending young guys down to the minors (Zib for example). Just a waiting game really.

    • sprucesens

      his rumour also shows us interested in a vet center…. why? We have too many C’s, why would we want another. Everything he says is to drum up interest. DZ was speculated earlier in the year, and thats why its easy for him to just post it randomly now. Little to no relevance most of the time.

      • laffin681021

        Well I ignored that and focused mainly on the Del Zotto part just because we’ve been interested in the past that’s all. Legit rumor or not, just a friendly “what if” conversation starter.

  • wild bill

    What is Ottawa’s total revenue?

    • Senatollah

      define Ottawa’s? The Sens, the arena, capital tickets, all three?

      the simple and not so accurate answer would be to take the league wide salaries, multiple by 2, divide by 30, subtract $10m.

      • Sandy

        Why subtract 10M? The Sens aren’t losing that much a year.

        • Senatollah

          Well, we know the top 4-5-8 clubs skew the overall revenue (Toronto, Mtl, NYR). But factor TV revenue, licencing and paid attendance sens are probably in the middle of the pack. Given the team claims they lose money, plus the offset for the high earning revenues i guessed at $10m to give a best guess. Could use $5M or $15M.

          • Senatollah

            I would think it would be hard for the team to lose money, even at the cap. But the team does have an older stadium in a horrible location with a poor pre-game and in-game experience. Its not a destination centre and the team unable to move the team elsewhere in ottawa, unwilling to improve pre-game/post-game transit experience and in-game its okay but not innovative.

          • KJ

            Melnyk has actually claimed he is losing 10 Mil a season publically.

          • Senatollah

            But can you be losing $10m a season if you are leasing the stadium from yourself?

          • KJ

            Well, it wasn’t qualified as to which component of his empire was losing the 10 million, but I would make a guess it was the hockey operations arm of CSG. I believe the Stadium falls under a different arm of CSG. Capital Sports Group may not be losing money overall. It is also the parent company to Capital Tickets. Anyways, I am not his accountant. :)

          • wild bill

            TSN 40 million? In2014

          • Sandy

            But that’s it. The ‘team’ is one of two entities with the building being the other.
            The “team” would pay the players and get revenue in but they would probably pay ‘rent’ to the building.
            It’s creative accounting by Melnyk trying to hide his profits.

          • Sandy

            That’s total bullshit. If he was losing that much a season then he would be getting revenue sharing from the NHL.
            The Isles lost close to 5M (at least I read that somewhere) and they received revenue sharing.

          • KJ

            Your word against his I guess

          • runningbear1974

            I assumed the big clubs like NYR and LA, and Boston and Toronto and a few other places would make a lot more than the Sens… I assume if they’re willing to spend 50-100 million to buy out contracts that they are making tons and tons of money…

          • runningbear1974

            I assumed the big clubs make so much money that they would spend a lot higher than the cap… That’s why they implemented the cap… I also assume that the Sens would always only make a percentage of the big clubs… So, without any facts, I assume the sens make about 60% of NYR…

          • Sandy

            If they had a subway the building could have been downtown.
            It’s going to be interesting tomorrow night, trying to get 18,000 to 20,000 people on OC Transpo buses after the game, provided most show up that is.

  • Gavin Ray

    Personally I don’t want to get rid of wiercioch but our left D position has a great surplus.

    On the right side we have:
    King Karl ~ 24
    Ceci ~ 20
    Grybes ~ 26
    This will probably be our right side lineup for years to come.

    On the left side we have:
    Methot ~ 29
    Phillips ~ 36
    The Cow ~ 23
    Wiercioch ~ 23
    BoroCop ~ 25

    Talented Defensive depth:
    Andreas Englund – LD
    Fredrik Claesson – LD
    Mikael Wikstrand – LD
    Michael Sdao – LD
    Chris Wideman – RD
    Ben Harpur – LD

    As you can see we are very heavy in the left defensive position.
    Also, Coach Paul Maclean rarely moves left Ds to the right and vice versa.
    I really think that Claesson is close to making the jump to the nhl level.
    I doubt we move a RD even if we obtain one through trade.
    Wiercioch seems like the only player that makes sense to move (other than Phillips).

    • Pasky

      I’d be surprised to see Boro have a long acreer as a Senator unless he’s ok in a 7th D position. I’ve called him a talented Carkner in the past and I still believe that to be true with this team anyways. And asides from maybe Claesson I don’t see anyone else on that list puching for a spot until Phillips retires at least so we have a small window to wait if that counts as a consolation.

      And I agree that giving up on Weir might suck but if Methot tells the team he’s not coming back next year ala Spezza then I hope we keep Weir and trade Methot as we can get more value anyways. But unless the teams confident that he signs an extension then trade Weir for a 2nd in this years draft and good to go.

  • Ek4Norris2015

    This could be our lineup in the future if we build of our own group of prospects:

    Puempel-Zibanejad-Stone

    Macarthur-Turris-Lazar

    Pageau-Dzingel/Eiserman-Lindberg

    Schneider-Smith-Kramer

    Claesson-Karlsson

    Cowen-Ceci

    Wikstrand-Englund

    Lehner

    Dreidger/Högberg

    This is assuming Bobby Ryan, Patty Weirdo, Shane Prince, Marc Methot and Anderson all leave for nothing, hope not :/. I am very curious about that goalie thing, what do we do with 3 capable good goalies? I very much think Dreidger and Högberg will be better then a backup job so what do we do? 3 Starters? A possible elite one? I mean that’s a good problem but they all have potential to be very good goalies (apparently). Any of you know who has the best potential?

    • Pasky

      I’d rather Prince on that 3rd line if we can manage it instead of Prince. And also Gryba on that 3rd right pairing is a good fit for him although Englund might be a stud anyways.

      Still goes to show the potential of this team. If this is a team like 5 years in the future based on pieces we currently have, We’ve already got half the team to be proven NHLers.

      • Ek4Norris2015

        If Englund becomes a stud, we could switch him and Claesson? Would be cool to keep a Swedish partner for Karl.

        • Deadly

          All three are Swedes.

    • Spoons

      WOW! You have a lot of faith in the prospects!

      • s3nsfan

        what’s wrong with that? Better than assuming they’re all garbage picks and worth nothing.

    • runningbear1974

      Mac Turris Ryan
      Puemple Zibanejad Stone
      Hoffman Lazar Chiasson

  • runningbear1974

    I tried to start a conversation yesterday about what it would take to actually win the cup…
    Some more thoughts about that…
    I don’t think having more skill is a good solution because there’s teams that have drafted much higher than us like Colorado, and Chicago, and then there’s the rich teams like Boston, and Philly…
    So… It is my belief that one area that we have a chance at winning is at wisdom… Smart decision making… We need a strong skilled team (not necessarily the most skilled, or the strongest)… But, a team that can switch between 2 or 3 strategies to deal with whatever we’re up against…

    • Sandy

      You need to be like LA. High skill in Kopitar (sigh), Doughty, Quick, Carter, Richards, et al and really good role players who do what they are assigned to do well and without griping. They are skilled in the necessary roles, fast and physical.
      That’s the type of team Murray wants to build. We all hope he succeeds.

      • Cyborg Denneny

        On a budget, you need to be like the Red Army squads, a la Viktor Tikhonov

    • Cyborg Denneny

      …agreed…and above all, “team play” rather than individual “mercurial talents”.

  • Sandy

    What is this Chirp? There is trouble in the paradise known as the Detroit Red Wings and their bloggers?