Game Day- Canucks and Senators at the CTC

SensChirp November 28, 2013 319
Game Day- Canucks and Senators at the CTC

Last night in Washington, the Ottawa Senators rode a hot power play and overcame a 3-1 deficit to register a big 6-4 win over Alex Ovechkin and the Capitals.  Twenty four hour later they’ll look for a second straight win against the Vancouver Canucks.

The Vancouver Canucks, like most of the Western Conference, are off to a pretty strong start.  They’ve posted a 12-9-5 record which would usually be good enough for a playoff spot but instead has them sitting in the ninth position in the West.  Goes to show you just how good the teams have been out West this season.

Not surprisingly, the Canucks are led offensively by Henrik and Daniel Sedin.  Henrik leads the team with 25 points with Daniel just behind him with 22.  Under new Head Coach John Tortorella, the Canucks have improved their penalty kill drastically, currently sitting at number on in the league.  They haven’t been quite so efficient on the power play though, scoring just 11.5% of the time (28th in NHL).

In the last couple of Senators wins, it was the power play that got the job done.  Against Washington the Senators scored three times with the man advantage and against the Wings, they scored two power play goals.  If the power play can stay hot, Ottawa has a chance to win every night.

Talked about it in yesterday’s game day post and last night, Paul MacLean finally seemed to acknowledge the struggles of Jared Cowen.  Cowen played just 12:34 against the Capital which was the lowest of any Senators defenceman.  Tonight, the big defenceman finds himself in the press box.  It’s a strong message being sent by Paul MacLean here and one that aligns with his commonly repeated approach, “the best players play.”  It will be interesting to see how Cowen responds when he does get back into the line up.

No morning skate for the Senators but here is how the home side is expected to line up.

MacArthur-Turris-Ryan
Michalek-Spezza-Zibanejad
Conacher-Smith-Neil
Greening-Grant-Condra

Methot-Karlsson
Phillips-Corvo
Borowiecki-Gryba

Craig Anderson gets the start for the Senators.  Roberto Luongo gets the nod for the Canucks.  Puck drop is scheduled for just after 7:30 PM

  • -Earlier this morning, the Ottawa Senators released their new Heritage Sweater, which they’ll wear when these two teams meet in the Heritage Classic in March.  In case you missed this morning’s release, head here to get a look at the new threads.  I was a little worried at the image shown in the leaked version yesterday but with today’s official release, I definitely like the look.

  • 10101111100101010101010111111

    .

    … off the scrap heap and into my heart …
    …. playing TWO games in a row
    ….. JOLTIN’ JOE CORVO

  • ProudSens

    Hope they win tonight, I’ll be at the game in section 118 with my buddy who is a Nucks fan. We go together everytime Vancouver is in town. I’m tired of buying the beer everythime we lose. Tonight, It will be his time. Go Pesky Sens Go!!

  • Tooks

    The best players play, yet he sits out PW46 after a nice game…WTF?

    • MikeS

      Atleast he finally is sitting cowen. I agree, PW should be playing

    • Alcatraz

      I think he wants PW46 and Corvo to be our 3/4 dmen moving forward. Maybe he will sit them out together end them upstairs, watch the game together. Hell sit them down with an assistant coach or call up Luke Richardson to sit and watch the game with them. Show them what they need to do, then send them back in as a pair

    • Godless_Lawyer

      Wiercioch was alright last night…but it’s probably about letting them watch as a pairing or something. If that’s what it takes to finally get Cowen in the press box then I’m all for it. He needs a jolt – and at some point you’ve got to stop giving him rope if all he’s going to do is hang himself.

    • SensChirp

      Was good in fairly limited ice time. Certainly a step in the right direction for him. Corvo was the one I was really impressed with last night. He’ll make his mistakes in his own end but outside of Karlsson, he’s brining more offensively than any other D.

      • hq8

        its his shot and his willingness to shoot too. remember 2007 Buffalo series Game 5?

  • 10101111100101010101010111111

    Cowen was injured most of last season and missed most of training camp.
    A condtioning stint in the AHL and intense one-on-ones with the Binghamton
    coach should have happened
    (yes – my hindsight is perfect )

    • xiorcal

      Exactly what I was going to say except for the hindsight part.

      Cowen needs is confidence back and for that they have to give him a lot of ice time.

      Can we send him to Bingo or does he have to go clear waiver?

      • Tooks

        Cowen has a 1 way NHL deal, he would have to clear.

        • Godless_Lawyer

          No, he’s waiver exempt for another 20 or so games. The rules have changed under the new CBA and the waiver exemption is tied to games/seasons played and not to the entry level contract.

          • Tooks

            Then why the fuck isnt he playing in Bingo already!!

          • Godless_Lawyer

            That’s definitely a question some have been asking.
            I think you’d want to give him a turn in the press box and see if that gets him going before you send him down, though – so today’s move can probably be considered a shot across his bow.

          • Tooks

            Fair warning.

  • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

    Unbelievable… Anderson

    • SensChirp

      Not surprised, really. Lehner had a chance to go back to back over the weekend after a win. Anderson being given that same opportunity.

      • Tooks

        Yes except Anderson has a 3.36GAA with a .899SV%…Not the best chance to win…

        • SensChirp

          Just trying to get his number one goalie back on track.

          • Mexican Baby Jesus

            Just trying to give him trade value

    • Godless_Lawyer

      That really seems like a strange decision, though he did finish fairly well last night.

  • hq8

    wow, cowen scratch speaks volumes. for one, it shows the coach gave him a lot of rope and is finally fed up. then, it shows that Phillips and Corvo both managed to out-play an up-and-coming high-potential D-man. It also shows that Cowen has managed to place himself behind Borocop in the team’s depth chart for now (probably the most damning of conclusions).
    For PW46, i think its more to do with getting his physical side in shape and I expect to see him back sooner.

    • Alcatraz

      I think out of all your conclusions, only the first one is accurate lol

      • hq8

        i think the last one is too ……the second one probably stretch. Cowen was actually subject to diminishing ice-time since the 2nd period in Detroit. If not for westgarbage, I think the scratch may have come as early as yesterday because Borocop would have been available.

        • Alcatraz

          But you can’t say it means he has fallen down the depth chart. Because I really don’t think Corvo is ahead of PW46 or Cowen, even though he is playing tonight and they aren’t. Also Do you think Grant is ahead of Puemple on our depth chart? Not at all
          Only conclusion I can draw is that Boro is above Gryba, and they want PW46 and Cowen to be every day players

    • Godless_Lawyer

      I think all it says is that they need and expect him to be better. I don’t think it says he’s fallen behind anyone else in the eyes of management. I don’t think Borowiecki/Gryba will be asked to play the minutes or against the competition Cowen has been asked to play at points this season tonight.

      • SenaTHOR

        A good coach will react to the play. If he puts Boro/Gryba up against the Sundins and they do well, they will get the minutes. We get last change at home so the matchups are easier.

  • hq8

    i hope cowen looks closely at how Borocop plays tonight because really thats where his play was supposed to be at the very least at the start of the season.

  • Floridasensfan

    Love the new jerseys.
    Cowen out is deserved, he is young but time to watch the game for a night and think about things.
    Sure would be sweet to win back to back tonight

  • Floridasensfan

    Anderson has got us to the playoffs a few years in a row and won us games standing on his head, one would think we would cut him some slack, he is one of the best goalies in the league, not taking anything away from Lehner.

    • Alcatraz

      Actually agree. I love Lehner but to a certain degree, we are quickly becoming like Canucks fans willing to hand over their crease to an “unproven” goalie while we have a pretty proven vet still playing “OK.”

      Lehner time will come, and Anderson has struggled, but I dont think he has lost it one bit. I think he is putting too much pressure on himself to repeat last year while playing his way onto team USA.

      Watch out come January 7th. When he isn’t chosen, he will take off.

      • Tooks

        3.36GAA and .899SV% isnt playing “ok”…Its pretty bad.

        • esk

          how much of that is on the play of our defence though? Anderson is our Number 1 option in nets, he has earned it. Let the guys play it out

          • Doc

            Exactly.

  • SenaTHOR

    Boro and Gryba were very good shut down pair in the AHL. Will be good to see them together. They just need to stay out of the penalty box. Hopefully Boros intensity rubs off on Gryba and they throw a few body bombs on the Sundin sisters. I was, for the first time ever, impressed with Karlsson’s phyicality.

    • PalladiumDrive

      Karlsson needs to keep playing like he did last night. That kind of play can put the team on his back.

      Spezza was something last night too – leaping to glove the puck out of the zone knowing he was going to take a mid-air hit.

      Paulrus must have tore the paint off the walls during the first int.

  • Sandy

    I guess McLean gave time to Cowen.. all he could.

    I have said in the past that both Cowen & Wiercioch should each be paired with a veteran D.. You take two young, inexperienced D-man who are struggling and put them on the ice as a pairing.. you are asking for trouble. The pressure on these two young guys is enormous. Seems their confidence is shot…

    I still believe Cowen can be that good young D we saw in his first season in the NHL.. As a fan.. I’m not giving up on him yet, and I certainly hope the team doesn’t either…

    How much is the hip surgery hurting his game.. similar to how the Achilles injury hurt Karlsson’s game for a time?

    Somehow Murray has to find a veteran D somewhere. Maybe Melnyk will now open his wallet. As long as it does not cost the Sens too much in way of ‘price to pay’.
    Hoping for a win tonight.
    Everytime they have a good game against a really good opponent, we think they have turned the corner… but then the downward spiral again.
    Could the turnaround last night in the 2nd & 3rd period finally get this team playing the way we all know they can? Rumours out there that Spezza did a lot of yelling in the 1st intermission.. that sparked the team.. But then again.. it’s only rumours..

    The forwards are doing their job.. It’s time the D stepped up along with Andy. I know Andy has been ‘hung out to dry’ a lot by the D.. but he still is not playing well…
    Time to turn it around.

    The ‘Leaves’ are falling back to reality.. The Sens need to take advantage of that..

  • Mark

    Good decision to finally sit Cowen. I really hope he turns things around because we have seen in the past that he can be a lot better. I wish he was more physical but I think he is still not the same player since the last injury. Maybe in time things will get better.

  • RUSH RLZ

    Can’t believe we are starting Anderson again…. *sigh*

    Anyone else notice this tidbit from The Buffet on Twitter just a few moments ago?

    @SunGarrioch The Senators have asked the NHL to play the Montreal Canadiens in an outdoor game at Lansdowne Live in 2017. Expect it to happen. #Sens

    • Alcatraz

      Ya its the NHL 100 year anniversary and the Sens 25 year anniversary, I’m assuming if we get it, we’d get the Heritage Classic Branding….as opposed to the Winter Classic Branding or the newly created Outdoor Series

      • two to Tootoo too

        Canada’s Sesquicentennial too

  • iKarly65

    I think that Cowen could be traded for a more mobile defenceman. Think about it. Methot will be here for the rest of his career at the rate he’s solidifying himself here. Borowiecki is a purely defensive defenceman. Gryba the same. Phillips for better or worse will be a Senator until he decides not to be. And Weircioch has shown flashes of brilliance. So aside from PW and Karlsson, we lack a PP QB, or mobile, puck moving defenceman. And between Gryba and Cowen, Cowen’s got the higher value.

    • Alcatraz

      Gryba is nothing more than a plug in fill in dman. Don’t use him at all in any assessment of our defense going forward lol. Maclean flat out said, he was only up because he is a RH shot and Boro wasn’t

      • iKarly65

        Awesome, but still doesn’t solve the problem of having really only one puck moving defenceman.

        • runningbear1974

          I really like Gryba… More so than Cowen… Anyway…
          Ceci our upcoming puck moving guy…

          • iKarly65

            yes, that’s precisely what he is. Up and coming. Not here and now. Doesn’t help the Sens when they need it. And regardless, they need to move bodies out.

          • Alcatraz

            I agree but in terms of trade value, none of our dmen safe for Methot/karlsson would we be getting 100 cents on the dollar. Gryba is worth 20 cents, cowen is at 60 cents, boro is so unproven it would be foolish. Phillips is old and really no one will want him anyways, corvo is a waiver guy, leaves alot to be desired. I think we get through the eyar and Claesson makes the leap next year

          • iKarly65

            But there are plenty of players in the same position in terms of value – so ideally, you just trade your struggling player for another team’s struggling player.

      • SenaTHOR

        Was that when they called him up a year ago? Your digging deep to fill your obvious bias. I would think Gryba’s contract would be easier to trade than Cowen or Wiercioch’s. I wouldn’t say he has played great(O zone blunders) but who has? Watch the good teams breakouts, they have support right now. This has been the problem for all of our D except for Karlsson who has the wheels to do it himself. Wiercioch has shown some brilliance on the PP. It kind of ends there however.

        • PalladiumDrive

          Exactly this. How many times do we have to see Ottawa forwards skating backwards towards our blue line trying to receive the outlet pass. Don’t be lazy, skate forward and skate hard. Give your D a chance to get you the puck. That’s what they did in periods 2 and 3 last night.

  • aegiszx

    How pissed must Eugene be knowing that PM is scratching his cornerstone 3M dollar man…

    • Alcatraz

      Eugene for all his fiscalness…trusts his MGMT team. He doesn’t care who plays, as long as its within a budget. Make the most of the budget would be his motto

  • MethotToMyMadness

    In regards to the Jersey. I’ve loved the new jersey since it was released, got one myself. So when it comes to something specific for the classic, why mess with a good thing. I like the small color modification, still looks as sharp as ever. Well Done Sens!!

  • Hax

    It’s seemed pretty clear (to me anyway) that MacLean is pretty much always thinking long term with this team.

    Giving Cowen as long as he did to get himself straight was about trying to help his overall development. Sitting Wiercioch tonight is about keeping him focused. Starting Anderson tonight is about getting him back in form (and he was really solid after the 3rd goal).

    • Doc

      In Stache we trust!

  • Hax

    I like the jersey as well. I could see them using it and the other heritage jersey as they’re official away and home jerseys. Then maybe come up with a red-based version for a new third jersey.

    Jersey sales do help fund the team in a small way after all.

  • karlssens

    Would anyone be willing to do a Cowen + Greening for Del Zotto and a 1st? Out of curiosity.

    • 65kwhissell19

      not right now. greening scores goals in bonches and cowen well its to early to give up on him

      • Alcatraz

        I dont know if your being serious or not…..

      • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

        This has to be a joke

      • Luc Wolfe

        Del Zotto is also a problem in NYR,

    • boom

      where do i sign?

    • Tooks

      They wouldnt give us a 1st to begin with, especially not for Cowen and Greening…

      • sprucesens

        I think cowen would get you a first regardless who he went to. Maybe not buffalo but that’s about it. I think even Edmonton would trade a first for cowen. But if that were the case, there would be a larger deal, like eberle or hemsky coming back. Maybe cowen is healthy scratch because he is being traded?! Lol, not likely, just trying to keep the convo going

    • Alcatraz

      I’d do it in a heart beat. Normally when that rings true, you know its a far fetched offer

      Greening+Cowen for Del Zotto+Boyle and I’m in

    • Mexican Baby Jesus

      Cowen is worth a first on his own. But a 15th-20th first round pick. Ottawa wouldn’t accept this deal. And NYR wouldn’t accept this deal

  • gds

    hey chirp some info for yourself and other readers, you can expect the sens to switch to the “O” logo, and jerseys, target date was 2015-16 last time i heard, due to reebok cycle switch or something, the other was i heard about MM9, he had been offered to rangers, oilers and caps, never heard what was coming the other way, i expect one was del zotto, one was hemsky and other was erat, but thats just a guess

    • Alcatraz

      Don’t know who your sources are but that sounds about right to me, ad is not too far form what we’ve seen reported so far. Especially with the cyclical nature of jerseys now and the revenue they provide. Switch to them full time in a year, then come out with a new “third” jersey, and so the story progresses. constant influx of new revenue

      • gds

        the reason why they went with the inverse of the black, was to have a matching set, so they can switch for the next season after next

        • sprucesens

          any news on rumours of trades gds? outside the michalek stuff obviously.

    • 65kwhissell19

      oh really. mm9 starting to play good. saprized no one took him

    • SensChirp

      Yup, the Michalek stuff matches with what I have been sharing here on the site. They have actually been trying to or at least been open to moving him since the draft. Phoenix another team they have talked to.

    • SensChirp

      And the jersey switch certainly makes sense and explains why they would want something to match. That would also give them an opportunity to introduce a new third jersey at some point too.

  • Millennium

    So Karlsson is releasing a coffee? I wonder if it tastes like Subban’s tears…

  • MikeS

    That D looks putrid, atleast cowen is finally sitting for a game to hopefully settle him down

  • Andersonfan41

    Just wondering what everybody think is Paul Mclean pulling the right strings scratching Cowan?
    Also just wondering do you think that those Colin Greening trade rumors maybe scared him and might wake him up?

    • MikeS

      I think he should have done this 10+ games ago. Problem is its hard to sit him when the D looks that week already, hoping they can squeak this out and then he can come back after getting the message

    • Millennium

      At some point the player’s development has to be balanced with the team’s need to win. Cowen is our worst Dman by a mile right now, and after giving him more than a fair chance to work through it, they need to look at the team as a whole and make the best decision to find wins.

      • Booster

        How is he the worst D? He has a plus rating and others are minus!!!

  • Andersonfan41

    I hope getting back to back starts gets Anderson back on track!
    I don’t think that Anderson game has fallen off that he is bad goalie
    I think Anderson will get his game back on track!

    • Doc

      Spezzafan, is that you?

      • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

        Hahahaha you nailed it!

  • Andersonfan41

    If the Senators can string some wins together and some of teams lose then could be back in playoff spot by next week!
    Is it still the top 8 teams in the conference that makes the playoffs?

    • MikeS

      Top 3 in each div+2wildcard per confrence. With the MET being so bad they need to come top 5 in the div to make the playoffs

    • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

      Captain obvious post of the day award right here

    • Millennium

      Right now the 7th/8th spots are Toronto/Montreal with 30 points, so we are six back of those 2 wildcard spots.

      • Andersonfan41

        So what happens if someone is sitting in 7th in the confernce or 8th in confernce do they miss the playoffs? So bassicaly the Rangers and the Capitals are out of the playoffs right now?

        • 65kwhissell19

          there 2 div. our and the met one witch is a week one 2 n 3 place are 26 points and in the playoffs. not cool nothing was fixed except the fact our div is so much hardeer now

          • Millennium

            Is there even an English sentence in there somewhere?

          • SenaTHOR

            Probably works for Ontario Civil Service and spends all day texting, tweeting, and posting. Seems to be common. There goes my tax dollars.

          • Alcatraz

            wait till the east play the east much more. I found early in the season was full of west vs east games, hence why the conferences or so skewed
            This will slowly rectify itself to a certain degree. I mean when was play nyr etc , teams are bound to get points

        • Millennium

          Conference ‘view’ won’t tell you anything without considering Divisions anymore. Each conference has 2 divisions. The top 3 in each division make it straight up. That’s 6 teams. The last 2 spots go 2 highest remaining point totals in the conference (at least thats how I understand it.)

          So:

          Atlantic:
          Bos
          TB
          Det

          Metro:
          Pitts
          NYR
          Wash

          Wildcard (highest points of remaining teams in the whole conference):
          Tor
          Mtl

  • Joe

    Any chance sens would be able to get eberle?

    • Luc Wolfe

      like every other player, it always has a price

  • 65kwhissell19

    were gonna start to see what teams are made off now. I don’t believe tb,to or the rangers are as good as there pretending to be. Ottawa just needs to go on a hot streak and we will be back in it. lets hope tht streak started yesterday

  • Joe

    Another thing Corvo has 5 points in 9 games and is a even player. Not bad for a team that allows more goals then they score, corvo deserves a fair chance.

    • esk

      is that you Corvo?

  • Deadly

    Joe, Eberle ? Why,how?

  • Booster

    Hard to understand why Sens sit 2 Dmen who were plus last night and had no goals against. Oh maybe because they aren’t so offensive and are playing D.

  • Booster

    Hard to understand why Sens sit 2 Dmen who were plus last night and had no goals against are not in the lineup tonight. Oh maybe because they aren’t so offensive and are playing D and not allowing goals!!!

  • Luc Wolfe

    Game isn’t on tv?

    • Millennium

      RDS,NHLN-US,SNET-VAN,SNET-OTT

      • Luc Wolfe

        Not marked on sens site for sportsnet

        • SensChirp

          Yup. It is.

          • Luc Wolfe

            Wierd my guide doesn’t have it as well. .. on the mobile site shows rds nhln-US. when u click preview it also says sportsnet. ..

  • gds

    anyone know what channel the game is on, i only see it on rds>

    • SensChirp

      Scroll down one comment.

      • gds

        thanks chirp, i wish rogers had a correct tv guide for once

        • Luc Wolfe

          http://www.sportsnet.ca/schedule/ sports net as football on schedule

          • Millennium

            It wouldn’t be the first time they have something listed on there but it was the Sens game playing.

          • SensChirp

            Have to look on Sportsnet Sens tonight.

          • Millennium

            I wouldn’t know, I haven’t had a TV since 1995 :p

          • gds

            if u have rogers, channel 500

  • Aaron 2.0

    I missed most of the game last night, but interesting to see both Weircioch and Cowen out. I thought Weircioch looked pretty good in the few minutes I caught here and there. Especially on the power-play. Any thoughts on this decision? Was also surprised not to see Lehner start with back to back games. I personally don’t like that move at all, but it is what it is I guess. Lets hope Anderson starts to find his game again.

  • Luc Wolfe

    I don’t have the game

    • Millennium

      Down below Chirp said it was on Sportsnet Sens, so check there

    • SensChirp

      1439 on Bell.

      • Luc Wolfe

        I got videotron

        • SensChirp

          Hmm. I don’t know what that is.

          • xiorcal

            Its like Rogers for us in Quebec

          • Luc Wolfe

            Cable provider in rockland

    • sens fabulous

      633 on videotron

      • Luc Wolfe

        I know I subscribe to it but still doesn’t work

  • xN1Cx

    Corvo, holy!

  • xiorcal

    Who is playing in Phillips uniform tonight ?

  • Luc Wolfe

    MacArthur scores

  • Millennium

    That was a hell of a snipe on the top corner

  • MikeS

    Yay :)

  • Aaron 2.0

    Spezza line looks really good tonight so far. Nice when you have two top lines going! When that happens this team can be a handful. Nice snipe by MarArthur.

    • MikeS

      Nice to see spezza have someone to play with

      • Aaron 2.0

        Fair point. Michalek’s looked good in his first few shifts too.

        • SensChirp

          All four lines going pretty good so far.

          • xiorcal

            One of our best game this year.

          • Aaron 2.0

            Better knock on wood.

          • xiorcal

            Always :)

  • Millennium

    Lol Anderson, Field goal is good!

  • xiorcal

    Turris not having it easy in the faceoff circle tonight. 0-5

  • MikeS

    They started fine, plz just dont do wha thtey did vs carolina

  • MikeS

    dammit….

    • Luc Wolfe

      Agreed

  • MikeS

    My god, this is carolina all over again

    • Luc Wolfe

      Noooooooo

      • aegiszx

        Or it could be Washington all over again. It’s only the second period. And we’re facing the top ranked PK, so its not going to be easy.

  • SensFanInMTL

    Man I thought that was us that scored for a sec it was such a loud pop. Plus Dean Brown isn’t biased when the opposing team scores.

  • Millennium

    That’s 2 games now where Andy’s form has been really weird on a couple questionable goals. He’s not down, he’s not up, and he’s not in any understandable position. He seems to be kinda….messy

  • MikeS

    wtf is this…..holy crap did they just go to bed after the first?

    • Luc Wolfe

      Yup since we won 1 game last night we have stop having discussion with other teams

  • mr.slapshot

    Anderson is looking kinda rough

    • SensFanInMTL

      He might consider retirement at season’s end.

  • Aaron 2.0

    Not ready to play the 2nd. Very, very disappointing.

  • sben

    I’ve been to three games this year: sens lost to SJ 5-2. sens lost to MIN 4-3. Sens lost to CBJ 4-1. I also started watching the game at the beginning of the second period and look what has happened now.

    • Luc Wolfe

      Stop watching the games

  • lbernier

    the meltdown starts again never fails

    • SensChirp

      Well, except the last game they played. And the Detroit one.

      • lbernier

        still happen last game vs Washington we just bounced back somehow to win the game

  • Jacques

    The puck is going right through him.

  • SensFanInMTL

    No one’s feeling the pressure as much as Anderson at the moment. Bet he wishes he was at Disneyland.

    • Luc Wolfe

      He wishes the season never started

  • MikeS

    Karlsson rush just got the fans back into it, and players started skating again. Hopefully they can turn it around

    • Booster

      Should be a forward, can’t play D if his life depended on it. 2 goals against in 1 shift.

      • MikeS

        Lets tell the norris winning D to go play forward. Your a moron

        • Booster

          why is this D a minus Dman, he can’t play D, he;’s no Norris Dman this year, just a little Swede looking for a new daddy

  • Luc Wolfe

    I blame all of you guys for the meltdown

  • LeafsSux

    Who didnt see this coming?

  • Cronie

    honestly. I know the whole team is suffering, but how bad is Andy??

  • Luc Wolfe

    Off topic anyone plays nhl 14 on xbox

  • Millennium

    Historically, it seems goalies respond to a goaltending challenge from the backup in one of two ways: guys who thrive on the contest, and guys whose confidence crumbles when they aren’t the undisputed best.

    Everything this season suggests Andy needs to be unchallenged in order to play with confidence.

  • Cronie

    f**k this team can be sooo goddamn frustrating…

  • mr.slapshot

    Holy fuck get him outta there

  • jasonontheoldsenschirp

    Mac still has him in the net. Get him out of there man holy. He is embarrassing him.

  • H POTTER

    Someone explain why the F* did we start Anderson. :!;$#*//

  • jasonontheoldsenschirp

    This should be Robin Lehner’s team.

  • sben

    3-4th liners along with defense need to be retooled. Also we will never succeed with andy playing like this. He either should be traded or Lehner should get the reins.
    No more of this “andy is our number one” garbage. Wasn’t macleans whole philosophy the best player plays? At this pace we won’t make it to the playoffs. I understand this is one game but I’m not being bipolar here if you’re team can’t win consistently the team isn’t going to make the playoffs. Right now the sens are 6 points away from a playoff spot. If We can’t win at the very least 6 out of the next 9 games we are really screwed unless we get a 10 game winning streak or something huge like that. The worst part about all this is that we don’t have a first rounder this year so we won’t be able to get a good prospect.

    • Sandy

      If they are 10 pts back of a playoff spot at the Christmas break… it will be very hard for them to make up points to get into the playoffs

  • SensFanInMTL

    Well I, won’t back down, well I, won’t back down
    You can stand me up at the gates of hell, but I, won’t back down
    Well I, stand my ground, while we, turned around
    And I’ll keep this world from dragging me down well I’ll, stand my ground

  • Tooks

    That 3.36GAA keeps going up and that .899SV% keeps going down…

    Starting to think PMAC has lost his mojo…

    Going forward and into the future this is no longer Anderson’s team, it is Lehner’s, It boggles the mind why we keep going to Andy, loyalty is alame excuse. This is a business, WINS matter, get Lehner in there!

    • Aaron 2.0

      It boggles the mind why MacLean wouldn’t start Lehner when your ‘back-up’ is as good as he is in back-to-back situations. Regardless though, Ottawa didn’t bother to show up this period, which, once again, is extremely disappointing given this team’s position in the standings.

  • MikeS

    Well my nucks fan friend is swearing to me that sens are still in this, since apparently they are aweful in the thirds….They need to make something happen fast though..

    • 4thStringGoalie

      If we were playing the leafs we’d still have a chance as well.

      • MikeS

        He swears that sens will score atleast 2 in the third

  • Colin

    The Turris line has 2-3 min less ice time than Smith’s line so far…

    • jasonontheoldsenschirp

      Paul Maclean is still the head coach.

      • Colin

        The forward ice time is quite bizarre. Ryan and CMac only have more TOI than Conacher, Grant and COndra.

        • jasonontheoldsenschirp

          Bizarre indeed. And it only makes sense to one man.

  • MikeS

    Wtf is with these sens plugs skating through the van team

  • Luc Wolfe

    Trades are coming soon!!!

    • SensFanInMTL

      We’ve been waiting for the longest time. Y’a rien qui se passe.

    • Aaron 2.0

      Not likely. It’s too hard with our internal budget, and we don’t really have any assets to trade away (aside from prospects, which would be counter-productive). I think what you see is what you get.

  • mr.slapshot

    What a call, unbelievable

  • MikeS

    penalty for hitting. Wonderful

  • Luc Wolfe

    havlat delzotto and hemsky are on there way to ctc

  • SensFanInMTL

    We need call ups from a couple of young and not well known prospects which will give us that 2012-2013 feeling of when Gryba, Pageau, Grant among others, just seemingly were unknown at the time and gave that spark that drove us into the playoffs.

  • Kielbasa

    Consistently inconsistent. Hard fighting one night. Lazy the next. This team is not playoff bound.

    • mr.slapshot

      They haven’t been playing that bad, our goalie just sprung a few leaks

  • aegiszx

    Cowen’s probably sitting in the press box thinkin ‘take that, suckers, thatll teach you for scratchin me’

  • lbernier

    if it were 1-0, 1-1 or 2-1 and this happen then I would be pissed and have to question the refs but when you dig yourself into a 4-1 hole, at this point like the refs think who cares it is not going to change the game. This team needs to learn how to play hockey that is the problem. Not sitting around saying see that goal ya I scored it I scored that pretty goal, or saying see that blocked shot ya that was a hard one and I took it like a man ya I did that…..it is a team game therefore you need a team effort and that does not happen if Vancouver can score 4 goals in one period

  • mr.slapshot

    There we go!

  • MikeS

    What a shift!!!!

  • Luc Wolfe

    et le bute!

  • LeafsSux

    ZBAD!!!!!

  • lbernier

    what a meltdown after the goal again like wow there it is again seriously like why

  • SensFanInMTL

    30 second delay!

  • Luc Wolfe

    anderson is heading to binghamton

    • SensFanInMTL

      lmao

    • Booster

      For what reason? Sens can’t pay NHL salary to him down there.

      • Luc Wolfe

        wasn’t serious. His momentum is gone, he needs to sit for a week at least and bring him on an opponent that has a bad record or the 2nd game of a back to back.

  • jasonontheoldsenschirp

    It’s a two goal game. Oh look, it’s the guy who Paul Maclean shat on earlier in the season.

    • MikeS

      He has 7 goals and he just got off the 4th line like 3 games ago

      • jasonontheoldsenschirp

        Mika is a tremendous player. Glad Mac is finally seeing it.

        He needs to let go of his loyalty towards certain players and adapt to changing circumstances. Sometimes the players who helped you win last year just aren’t cutting it this year, and you have to go with the flow.

        I think Mac is starting to learn this.

        • Aaron 2.0

          Yeah, we sometimes forget he’s a young coach too. I hope he starts to see the light with some of these player decisions that need to be made sooner (e.g. more starts for Lehner).

        • Shibal

          Zibanejad actually needs good players to play with, to reach his potential. He started playing well last year, once he was paired up with Silfverberg. He had 8 points in 6 games at the Ivan Helinka, however scouts mentioned that, if he was playing with a better center than Viktor Rask, he would have absolutely dominated that tournament.

  • mr.slapshot

    Pulling an Alfie

  • Aaron 2.0

    Well, 2 goals is still possible in the 3rd. You have to wonder how often they can come back like this. Tortorella’s teams certainly don’t usually make this any easier. But, at least the game’s not dead yet.

  • Luc Wolfe

    rumors say that the canadian giant retailer, Canadian Tire, wants to pulled their name off the Ottawa Senators Rink for being a completely disgrace to their fans and the sport of hockey.

    • SensFanInMTL

      ok now I question whether you are a fan at this point or est ce tu aimes de faire chier a tout le monde?

      • Luc Wolfe

        apparement juste toi.

        • SensFanInMTL

          You’re saying Canadian Tire should withdraw their identity from the Sens because they are a disgrace. You figure it out, mec.

    • LeafsSux

      Troll…

  • Millennium

    Its like PMac coaches in slow mo. He makes the right decision, just way too late. Benching Cowen later, calling Zbad up late, pairing Zbad with Spezza late, Pulling Anderson tonight late…..

    Peculiar

  • luckan20

    Folks lets not lose hope. We can rebound with Lehner. Guys are playing better with Lehner in. Poor Andy. Quick hands by Zibanejaad.

  • aegiszx

    Honestly, it’s not just Andy guys. We are BRUTAL in the second periods. Like theyve been sayin all along, we’re too inconsistent this year for whatever reason. Put the bad period behind us, and come out strong in the third!

    • Millennium

      Well if its any comfort, this team is so bipolar from period to period, there is at least the potential to come out and play like champs. Also, Vancouver are shitty in the third this season apparently.

      • MikeS

        yep, friend is swearing that sens will score atleast 2 in the third. He just hoping van pots 1

  • luckan20

    Chirp, did you hear any rumour with Oilers ????

    • Tooks

      Plenty of rumours from the Oilers, which one you talking about?

      • luckan20

        I just heard from my friends in Ottawa that Wiercioch might be in play. I am not sure how solid the news is…I hope whoever we send add Condra to the package, so that we can bring Stone over here

        • SensFanInMTL

          I sincerely hope it’s not Wiercioch. It might come back and bite us in the ass somewhere down the road in the years to come. He’s actually decent.

          • Jacques

            Why Ceci should be up soon. He’s been great in. Bingo. And when we drafted him he was supposedly the most ready d-man in that draft. anxious to see him up.

          • Millennium

            I see a near zero chance of seeing Ceci in the NHL this year, regardless of how he’s playing in the AHL

          • Jacques

            I think we’ll see him. Unless we trade for Kulikov. We need his bomb on the Powerplay, and his puck movement.

        • sprucesens

          i’m not sure what wiercioch could get us that would even be worth a trade. Him for hemsky?

    • Conor_smythe

      3 way deal

  • mr.slapshot

    Smilin’ as your drivin’ away!

  • MikeS

    Greening misses the open net :(

    • Jacques

      That’s what a late round. Pick gets ya. He ain’t a diamond in the rough like Alfie,

  • MikeS

    WTF Spezza…

    • Conor_smythe

      Wtf lehner

  • Jacques

    Greening pathetic! I hope people took notice of the skill Grant displayed. Can we get him more minutes. Or do we plug along with Condra and greening? SPEZZA another f-ing great shift, what team so u play for man , no clue defensively,

  • Aaron 2.0

    Pretty pass by Spezza!

  • jasonontheoldsenschirp

    Done. Turned this game off. Now watching football. At least the Cowboys won tnite

    • Jacques

      Good news on the cowboys got the first 2 right need steelers now!

  • Jacques

    Hope this puts to bed the lets play Andy till he figures it out! Its 4 plus goals a game every game. Package him ASAP. Lehner and Lawson are our best bets right now seriously!

    • sprucesens

      Maybe we fully finish the rebuild with a MASSIVE trade. For the record i like the players i’m gonna trade here:

      Spezza, Cowen, Micahelk, Anderson to Edmonton for

      Eberle, Nugent Hopkins and Dubnyk and a pick

      • Jacques

        I’ve been saying it since this past summer. For all the love Spezza gets he’s a huge liability on the ice. I just watch everything he does and it’s frightening bad.

        Will he wave his NO TRADE, cuz man I wouldn’t resign him. Time to ride the TUrris – Zibby 1-2. Man I would do the above trade in a second. Image TUrris-NUGE-Zibby. Wow! Come on Murray.

        • sprucesens

          hmm, forgot about the NTC. guess we don’t have to worry about all the trade spezza guys, inluding my above off the wall trade scenario. lol

          • Jacques

            No, you just explain to him that you won’t be resigning him and that he will see less minutes as second center on the team.and that he would be better served as first line center on the Oilers for example. If I was him and a trade like that came up, I would jump at the chance to play with Taylor Hall. Plus, Katz has the dough to keep him happy.

        • Tooks

          Yes because RNH has such a better defensive game than Spezza, LOL. Also RNH’s faceoff skills are right up there with Spezza’s, right?

  • SensFanInMTL

    This is looking worse than 2010-2011 season. And we only had a fraction of what we have on paper this year.

  • Jacques

    Man thank god we have the seven plus nine equals sixteen line!

  • Jacques

    Can Spezza hang on to the puck and setup he just flings it from wherever???

  • luckan20

    The night is done. At least lets give a standing ovation to Alfie and beat them for the third time.

  • Jacques

    I would like a couple more bobby Ryan’s please, love watching him play.

    • SenaTHOR

      For another 10 million you can.

  • SensFanInMTL

    Remember the massive clean up after the 2010-2011 season? It wasn’t just Fisher, Kelly, Ruutu and Kovalev that went out the window. Almost the entire coaching staff went out as well.

  • Sandy

    There is nothing wrong with the coaches.. Well at least not McLean.
    I don’t get this team.. I just don’t.
    One night they look like world beaters… the next night like a nightmare.
    So what’s the difference from what they had last season? Top guys out for most of the year… yet they still won. They are missing Gonchar & Alfie… would those two make much of a difference this season.
    In hindsight…. to those of you that said keep Lehner & Bishop.. trade Andy.. Appear to have been so right.
    They say Andy has off-seasons… well I guess this is one of them..
    I just hope Anaheim doesn’t get a top 5 pick this next draft..

    • Floridasensfan

      The difference was we screw up last year and Anderson stood on his head and kept it out of the net, this year it is in the back of the net.

      • Aaron 2.0

        I guess I sort of agree and disagree. Anderson bailed this team out a lot last year. He would keep us in games when we went to sleep. And, the team would respond. This year, that’s not happening. If anything he does the opposite. A bad goal, and we’re chasing the entire game. But, the difference in puck possession number between this season and last are also atrocious. We’ve lost a few steps, and I don’t think it’s just Anderson.

    • aegiszx

      Honestly, Bishop would have been a no.1 here or a no.1 in tampa, he’s paid his dues, and it was his time. However, in saying that, I dont think Murray should have pulled the trigger on Conacher. We should have grabbed a D man from Tampa… I feel bad, but whens the Conacher experiment goin to be over? Or will he get the Da Costa treatment a.k.a dangle him for a few years with different line-ups?

  • mr.slapshot

    Hopefully that’s the last we see of Andy

    • aegiszx

      Ottawa’s Goalie Graveyard is alive and well I see.

  • SensFanInMTL

    This team needs a major shake up. And fast. Murray, pleeeeease, do something.

  • Millennium

    Well that was a trainwreck after such a strong 1st. Still waiting for this team to play a whole 60 minutes of good hockey since that first Detroit game.

    Andy, sorry pal, you just aren’t feeling it, that was another weak game.

    • sprucesens

      indeed. time to let lehner run with it for a few games. Give Anderson a week or so to get his head back on straight.

      • Mat

        Actually, dont let Anderson play until we’ve had a winning streak, and the team woes are sorted out. It’s simple: Lehne = starter, Anderson = backup.

  • sprucesens

    …still waiting for that trade. Make something happen murray. This team can’t keep playing one game, then not showing up for 3. Get some players that skate hard every shift. Macarthur isn’t an all star, but he has been top 3 on our forwards this year. Because he works his ass off every shift. We need more hard workers like that.

  • Floridasensfan

    meh can’t win them all, was a back to back game.
    regroup and get ready for a statement game on Sunday and another win for us

    • mr.slapshot

      can’t win them all? Try can’t win 2 in a row.

  • Jason

    Anderson played like garbage, and that flopping around on the ice trying to draw penalties is garbage. Next time someone crashes your crease get your stick up in their face! Stop being a pussy! That goes for the entire team, if someone hits your goalie you stand up for him.
    Spezza seriously needs to stop with the drop passes. 9 times out of 10 there is nobody there or its a turnover.
    Karlsson is too nonchalant with the puck. When you’re the last man back you can’t fuck around with the puck and turn it over. Make the smart play! After we scored our second goal hour turned it over in the slot not once but twice!

  • Sensturion

    I thought Zibanejad had a great game tonight. Turris tried to make things happen. Karlsson seemed absolutely lost and out of gas out there.

    • Jacques

      Zibby is going to be a player and a half.

  • 65kwhissell19

    tired off the poor play. something has to give here

    • Sensturion

      I thought the team played decently all things considered. Tonight’s culprit was most definitely Anderson.

      • 65kwhissell19

        ya Anderson wow

  • Shibal

    At least Zibanejad has more goals than Scheifele, Baertschi, Huberdeau, Couturier, and RNH. Although he is tied with Landeskog in goals, Zibanejad has played less games than Landeskog and all of the above.

    • Tooks

      You know what I’m glad you said that, I love Landeskog and I had wished we woulda moved up to get him but I will admit and eat crow about Zibanejad. He might be the fix Spezza needs on the top line, I always said Zib should be on the wing to maximize his skill set, big, fast, good shot. But I always said or thought he would never make it past the 3rd line, maybe be a 2nd line plug.

      He is slowly proving me wrong. Here’s to hoping he continues developping chemistry with Spezza.

  • Gordon Ramsli

    I say for Detroit keep Cowen scratched bring in pw46 scratch Gryba, Move Michalek to the 3rd line (Michalek – Smith – Neil) move Conacher to the 1st line Left Wing (Conacher – Spezza – Zibanejad) Lehner has earned his shot to regain form, Specially give Lehner a game with Cowen out of the lineup.

    I said the previous as my realistic approach my favorite one would be Call up on Hoffman but I actually am ok with our Offensive lines these days.. unless we would wanna give our Defensive Specialists a left the bruises heal day.

  • Mat

    I have nothing nice to say so I’ll just keep my mouth shut. (Aarghfrackledixkcontfaker!!!!!!!)

  • Michenator

    Do we think the fact that Spezza doesn’t lead by example makes him a bad captain? I miss Alfie for that, so clutch, such a good role model on and off the ice. Not dwelling on the Alfie thing, more just wondering if lack of leadership in the locker room has maybe something to contribute to these losses…

    • Aaron 2.0

      I’ve actually refrained from saying this because I figured I would get jumped for it, but I don’t like him as captain for exactly this reason. His defensive play will never be great. A captain should be more well rounded. He can’t lead by example in all aspects of the game. The problem is that if he wasn’t made captain, the risk of losing him next contract really increases. Also, there really was nobody else worth considering. Regardless, I don’t put the loses on him. You don’t need to be captain to lead. Any guy in the locker room can step up, and take on a bigger role.

      • the dude

        I hate to say this, but I had to check and see if there are any
        Captains in the league that turn the puck over more than Spezza does.
        Found a website and Karlsson is actually leading the league in giveaways
        with 39 and Spezza is 7th in the league and has less giveaways than Joe
        Thornton. Here’s the site if you want to see for yourself.

        http://www.sportingcharts.com/nhl/stats/player-turnover-plus-minus/2013/

        When
        Karlsson won the Norris he finished the season with 84 giveaways, so
        far this season he is on pace for 123. Spezza that same season he
        finished with 84 as well, hes on pace for 88 this year. Joe Thorton appears to consistently be among top giveaway players in the league. I don’t really watch the Sharks so I don’t know, but is he considered a good leader, even though his defensive game is lacking. Is there a stat that shows how many turnovers lead to goals against?

        • Jacques

          The difference is that Karlsson turns it over and then fights tooth and nail to get that f-ing puck back. Whereas, Spezza turns it over and gingerly comes back, not too much fight in him. I watched him like a Hawk last night, and damn he just twirls around in his zone. The centerman has to be the hardest working forward on his line.

          • SenaTHOR

            I’m with you. Spezza doesn’t seem to have defensive initiative or intuition. Karlsson is just on the ice too long each shift. I understand they want him on the ice but shorten the shifts. It’s a proven physiological fact that the thinking process is affected under extreme physical taxation.
            WTF was with Anderson trying to buy that penalty. It cost him a goal on a save that should have been made. We just have to get secondary scoring. This was the same problem as last year except the goalies stood on their head instead of spinning on their asses.

          • Tooks

            Ya alot of people dont realize this but Karlsson plays around 25-27 shifts a game and has over 27+ minutes a game, thats over a minute into your shift…I dont care who you are or skills you have, you cannot play over a minute a shift vs other NHL players…We are seeing the effects it has on Karlsson, constantly making mistakes. Reduce his minutes per shift and his quality of play will improve.

      • hq8

        most offensive centremen are not known for good defensive aspects. see Crosby some games or Malkin….usually their offensive output and their offensive attempts more than mitigate the chance for someone to even notice.
        Spezz is just unlucky here. his output and production is definitely there (PPG+ for career). but his linemates for some reason never totally click with him and his giveaways are sometimes higher impact (like yesterday).
        either way, i dont think his defensive play this year warrants him to be stripped of captaincy. where he has had defensive lapses, he has been equally effective defensively too. if it was all lapses, yea there would be a case, but if you watch a full game, he puts in all the defensive effort basics (backcheck etc etc.), kills penalties and provides the sens a solid faceoff prowess on the PK too.
        so no, spezza’s on-ice work is at captaincy level for sure for across this league.
        the difference between him and alfie is that alfie had this intensity about him, that is very rare and subtle to start with. its what you called clutch. just at a different level.

        • Aaron 2.0

          Yeah, i’m not advocating stripping him of the captaincy or anything like that. There was nobody else worth giving it too. And, we can’t lose Spezza. He’s an important cog on this team. But, I still don’t like somebody with a 1-dimensional game like him as captain. I don’t really have a problem with all the turn-overs he creates on a normal year (although this year his passes are often not even close). I get that a puck-possession guy will create more turn-overs. But, his defensive coverage in his own zone is terrible, and it always has been. The fact that commentators say things like “he’s been working hard on the defensive aspect” whenever he does something remotely good defensively sort of goes to that fact that it’s not good in general. But, yeah, like I said, there was no other legitimate choice, you have to give it to him, or risk offending him, and losing him.

    • Tooks

      Have you been in the locker room to know he isnt a vocal leader?

      • SenaTHOR

        You imply you have?

        • Tooks

          Nope I have not but the OP looks like he has. He’s sure Spezza isnt a leader in the room. Was just asking.

          • Michenator

            Only talked about his play on the ice and what kind of an example that sets. He can say the most inspiring stuff in the locker room but if he doesn’t set an example for the rest of them team, to me his words don’t mean much.

  • Roar…

    I love that people assume P-MAC is clueless. He’s well aware MZ is a good player. Here is the reality. Ottawa is a budget team. If you’re the players, how do you feel about the team management not trying their best to help create a winning environment? It would sure suck the motivation out of me if I was a player.

    Case and Point:
    1. MZ playing on the 4th line until recently – It’s called reducing his ability to get points so his contract extension can be done more cheaply.

    2. Pageau, Hoffman, & Ceci in Bingo when they are clearly better options than what we have in Ottawa. It’s called money. We don’t want to pay them.

    Some of it may just be smart economics. Perhaps the Euge wants to save money on all these guys extensions and is waiting till 1-2 years from now to really go for it pocketbook wise.

    In my mind best team we could ice is:
    Zibanejad-Spezza-Pageau
    MacArthur-Turris-Ryan
    Hoffman-Smith-Michalek
    Neil-Grant-Condra

    Karlsson-Methot
    Ceci-Wiercioch/Corvo
    Phillips-Cowen/Gryba

    • sprucesens

      condra would not make the “best of” if we are doing callups too. Nor would phillips

  • Sensturion

    Having thought about it, and though I am loathe to admit it, I feel as if Ottawa should stay the course and not do anything rash to get wins now. Did anyone actually think the team had a shot at the cup this year? I didn’t. Did I hope for a better season, though? Most definitely. Let us not forget that the team is in a rebuild (despite successful past seasons). I would much prefer that the team stand pat and ride this horrid wave than try and win now by trading away the future. Other teams are well aware that we have a decent prospect pool and they are also well aware that the team is looking for help. As such, they will surely look to fleece Murray and grab all the prospects they can while dumping underperforming players. Unless Murray can pull off another Turris-type deal, I say screw trades!
    Sit every player down and tell them exactly why they are good or bad.
    Anderson: You are constantly out of position (a problem not helped by the defensemen themselves being out of position).
    Spezza: You are not carrying the offense this year. Why not play a bit more defense, then?
    Cowen: You’re supposed to be a steady, stay at home defenseman. This isn’t junior where the team relies on you to spark the offense. Enough with the stretch passes to no one.
    Weircioch: While Cowen shouldn’t be giving away stretch passes, you should be DOING THEM! What happened to the pre-season PW46?
    And I could go on…

    • Tooks

      You do realize we dont have a 1st round pick right? Tanking now would be the absolute worse thing we can do.

  • spezzerman

    At least fans can’t scapegoat Cowen for this one…

    • Tooks

      I’m sure we can find something… Maybe he wasnt watching the game properly, eating Doritos and leaving orange fingerprints all over the white leather couches.

      • spezzerman

        haha. I hear he went into the washroom zone but couldnt exit. He tried at least three times but kept getting turned back. Weircioch eventually went in to help but then they both got stuck and scrambled for a what felt like forever. Murray had to go let them out where they both breathed a sigh of relief when they realized the doornob was the “bust” Murray was mumbling about as he returned to his seat.

    • aegiszx

      I ran into Cowen downtown the other night actually. Told him the Canucks were goin to put on a show, he just laughed haha.

      I guess I was right!

  • CrackAttack

    Saw the game last night, was sitting behind Anderson during the 2nd. He looked terrible, not even close on the goals. Was really surprised he wasn’t yanked after the 4th goal immediately. It was only after he made a very obvious dive and fake-flopped on the ice (which looked terrible on replay) that PMac gave him the hook, probably wondering just what the hell he was doing. Anderson did not look confident, body language was bad after every goal. I’ve never seen him look like such a sieve.

    Defensive coverage was pretty bad too. Watching our D leave the front of the net (think it was the 5th goal) to be replaced by THREE Canucks to bang in a rebound was terrible. Horrendous reads. Canucks were also playing a big pressure game on our D. Whereas we’ll keep one forward “pressing” and settle into a trap, other teams have the book on us, and are putting 2 or 3 guys deep, and forcing our D to panic. Scary, in the absence of the D suddenly getting some skill, I don’t know how they combat that beyond panic-dumping the puck high in the air out of the zone like a football lob.

    • SenaTHOR

      Its a good desparation play but you need time to do it. It also means you are giving up possession. Karlsson did it twice and both times they were back in our zone on attack.

  • Tooks

    Going froward I really hope Lehner sees the bulk of the games, IF this is a business and wins matter then we should not keep putting Anderson in nets. Anderson has an expiring contract, he aint part of the teams future, we aint going nowhere fast with him as #1.

    Quit the loyalty bullshit and make Lehner #1, he’s more than proved he can handle it. We are not out of it yet but we need wins, Anderson is not getting us wins or even giving us a chance to win.

    #ReleaseTheLehner

    • senate19

      as much as it pains me to say it, I have to agree. Lehner’s not going to win every game either with a defence like this, but they’ve got to give him the ball now. Give him a chance to carry this team. Can’t afford to wait for Andy

      • Tooks

        Ya I understand he aint going to win every game but he gives us a better chance to win. He plays with the same D infront of him but has considerably better stats than Anderson.

        If we want to have a chance to win more games Lehner has to be playing more than Anderson, its simple really.

  • Tooks

    Line up vs DET.
    MM9 Spezza Zib
    Mac Turris Ryan
    Conacher Smith Neil
    Greening Grant Condra

    Methot Karlsson
    PW46 Corvo
    Phillips Gryba
    LEHNER!

    • SenaTHOR

      PW and Corvo.. I hope this is a guess.

  • senate19

    Regarding the new heritage jersey, I think we’ve been spoiled by the black ones.
    Meaning, if this new version were released two years ago instead of the blacks, we’d probably all think it was the best thing since sliced bread.

    Really, no complaint from me. They go REALLY well together. In my opinion, they should be our main jerseys for next year. OR, release the same jerseys with REAL white instead of heritage white for our mains.

    Then, make a third jersey using the old 2D logo. :)

  • hq8

    on andy:
    his GAA is 3.51 and he is showing quite the propensity for allowing 3 or more goals in a single period. happened in washington in the first period. happened at home yesterday in the 2nd. and it shows, he has allowed a grand total of 23 goals in the first period and allows less as the game goes.
    has allowed 3 goals or more 11 games out of the 17 he has played.
    suffice to say, andy and cowen are showing post-injury effects AFTER temporarily recovering admirably for last season’s playoffs. truely bizarre.
    also, for the games he has won (6), except for games against Buff NJD and DET (gm1), he has given up 2 or more goals to start those games:
    1. against BOS, sens were down 2-0
    2. against PHX, sens were down 2-0
    3. against CAPS, sens went down 1-0, then 2-1, then 3-1 before finally coming back.
    he has been totally abysmal at home getting 2 wins and 6 losses.at a severe 3.65GAA.
    at the very least, they need to switch their starters.
    i think Maclean is finally losing patience – still a gradual rate – but he is. it was surprising he pulled andy yesterday at 4-1 because usually he has stuck with his goalie through games.

  • hq8

    two goalies on expiring contracts, both with team USA aspirations: andy and miller. both in not very good situations. is there a switch and a match available?

    • spezzerman

      Miller isnt coming to CAnada, I believe he has established this

      • hq8

        hmm…..maybe tim thomas will like our welfare-y confines……..lol
        this sucks. sens are falling apart in their strengths this year. first it was defense and now goaltending. everything is going against prediction and expectation.
        on the other hand we have good top 6 scoring…..and EK is torching the league’s D.

        • spezzerman

          when has our defense been strong? Many thought the bigger need was a top 4 d in the off season. we always allow a tonne of shots and our goalies had a .940 save percentage. 3 of our 6 dmen have less than 100 GP This shouldnt be a huge shock.

    • thepez

      Where do you guys see the expiring contract for Anderson? He is signed through the 2014-15 season. Spezza, Ryan and Anderson are all UFA’s in July 2015.

  • esk

    what year of the rebuild is this?

    • Mat

      Feels like month 2…

      • esk

        lol I think its year 3 but not sure. If thats the case..then management probably has that mentality when making decisions. Whats the point of making a 3 year rebuilding plan if you dont stick to it? I believe the budget was apart of that plan to….anywho we outperformed the first 2 years…therefore we have high expectations and everyone is panicking thinking we are a championship team….we also had all those injuries last year + we lost two leaders which we thought we can replace easily….now we are looking for top6 and top4 d (alfie + gonchar)….iunno but this start makes sense to me if you look at the overall picture…hopefully murray does to when he makes his decisions

  • Andersonfan41

    Murray needs to get somes players who play physical. I mean a forward!
    Would like to see Murray trade for one of Wayne Simmonds or Scott Hartnell or
    Chris stewart.
    Also a defencemen