I hope the addition of Hemsky can convince all three parties (The Senators, Spezza and Hemsky) that it’s worth giving it another try next season. Those two have been fun to watch.
I agree chirp, great young team, same players, different outcome, different atmosphere in the comment section lol
Oh and how about our classy captain giving up the hat trick on the empty netter, he is staying in Ottawa
Would Hemsky ever settle in on the off-wing to make room for Bobby Ryan or Mark Stone? Or do we grab a top-4 LW in the summer (finding a top-4 D loses its urgency)?
It as usual around here is going to 100% come down to money I think.
Agreed. Spezza needs to be signed; I’m tired of all the naysayers, he’s a point a game player and will be next to impossible to replace. Sign him, if after a year or two if we’re not happy, explore a trade at that time.
No doubt the fan base here will not be happy with him, but I am sure they would be a lot less happy playing against him
I love watching these guys play, but if we want this team to go in the right direction it’s time to move on. If he signs a big deal then what, who knows how long this continues, he and Hemsky are both not stable health wise. It is a matter of time before they’re both on the sidelines. I would love them both back for 3 years, but I just can’t shake the feeling that they would both want longer extensions, and we will be regretting it like crazy in just a few short seasons.
I think I would gamble and wait it out. See how the season is going and make that tough decision at the deadline. Key word there is “gamble” because there are obviously risks associated with that approach.
So come deadline explore trades if they’re not in the race? I could live with that, I love our system and I think some of the younger guys could benefit from more time in Bingo or Junior.
So true. I sometimes think fans forget sports franchises are in the winning business. And that means winning as soon as possible. You can point to the Chicagos and Pittburghs of the world and how they endured years of failure that paid off with top draft choices, but the reality is neither franchise wanted to be bad.
If what you wrote earlier is true and Spezza has asked the Sens for a possible trade then I don’t see how you don’t trade him now. This would indicate he isn’t going to re-sign here.
You get a better hockey trade in July than you do in March. There won’t be a better time to move him than this summer.
I would rather a sure thing than a gamble.
I dunno man, Douglas Murray got 2 2nd rounders at the deadline haha depending on the market, Spezzas return at the deadline could be insane, especially if he’s up near a point a game.
Thing about deadline deals is what do you usually get: A team’s first-rounder, which will normally be high (15 and up) + some players a contending team considers spare parts (Chris Stewart).
Murray’s better to wheel and deal away from the deadlines…a la Turris or Ryan deal.
I think that next year you see everyone hold on to their #1 picks with the hopes of landing McDavid.
Yeah but if the Sens are in the thick of the race they won’t move him…best case scenario they win a round or two in the playoffs and then he’s gone
Yea that’s true, could fetch you a late 1st and a really good prospect who’s almost top 6 nhl ready though too.
He could also be on the DL with a major back problem too! If you trade him Draft day!
I guess it depends if that’s still what he wants. If he wants to stay and is committed to making the Ottawa Senators his team then sign him. Otherwise, part ways I suppose.
Risks that I don’t think are worth it.
Everything depends on the possible returns during the summer.
Lots of players in this league have health issues. It doesn’t stop some teams from signing them..
I want Spezza to stay… and Hemsky if he will. He’s never tried UFA before.. so he may go that route…
Spezza’s back is an issue. Hemsky’s injuries are an issue.
Bergeron & Crosby could both be a hard hit away from retirement due to previous severe concussion injuries.. Who knows…
Hockey is a gamble. If they sign both Spezza & Hemsky and both get injured… Eugene can save some $$$ when they go on LTIR. That will make the cheapskate happy.
Really need to add a solid defensive anchor to that line
I think its smart media management to wind-up readers and announce
Monday’s post. Then the dogs and cats jump into it and fur flies
everywhere, Once the fur settles, rattle the cage again.
By the time June comes,.the fanbase is burnt out and tired from fighting over
it, and the brass can negotiate sweet deals with 19C and 83 in peace
The post on Monday was based on what I was “hearing” and certainly not reflective of what I would like to see the team do. This conversation will rage on from now until draft day, I imagine.
Of course. No offense intended (like Buffalo). Tongue-in-cheek doesn’t translate well onto the Internets. my smiley ought to have been a
Although I agree to an extent, if there’s significant interest in Spezza which could land us a legit top 2 D, then management seriously needs to consider trading him.
Waiting until the trade deadline would only lessen the return, and even though I’m a Spezza fan, I’m not sure I feel comfortable signing him long term.
Hemsky has looked good even with Zibby, so I’m not too worried in that regards.
after a hugely disappoiting year, with so many things that have gone wrong, Hemsky came in like a breath of fresh air, and has given some hope in an otherwise completely failed season.
At this point, I would say Hemsky should be a Priority along with Spezz and Ryan.
and Michalek … with the addition of Stone that would give them three good scoring lines to start next season. My only concern with this team is Hoffman who seems to be turning into another Connacher. A guy who is great in the AHL but unable to transition into the NHL but I would still give him about 20 games next season before looking to move him if he doesn’t start scoring consistently. With the lines below PM can mix & match to his hearts content.
Michalek – Spezza – Hemsky
MacArthur – Turris – Ryan
Hoffman – Zibanejad – Stone
Greening – Smith – Neil/Kassian
The highlight reel was most surreal. Amidst two mentions of Clutterbuck, there was a flutter puck. I know most of you don’t give a flying
Now that the fat lady has officially sung, we can look at the summer fine tuning.
Michalek 2 years 5.5 MIL
Spezza 3 years 18 MIL
Ryan 4 years 26.5 MIL
MacArthur 4 years 16 MIL
Hemsky 4 Years 16 MIL
Zibanejad 4 Years 10 MIL
Methot 4 Years 12 MIL
Stone – unsure, but need to lock him up
Lineups for 2014-2015
The Kassassin should stay in my opinion as well. He lightens the mood, brings fun to the locker room and when he scores, we win.
Defense is tough though. We need to strengthen it, and I don’t feel it will be done solely through an aquisition.
I would rather not see Phillips, however, we did sign him, so he is staying. I like Gryba, but of the defencemen to move out to make room for a new comer, who comes out? Not Wiercioch, Ceci, Karlsson or Methot… or Phillips sadly… so who?
Because change to me is behind the bench. Change the assistant coaches. Luke from B-Sens for defence and need a new PP/PK coach…
GO SENS GO!
No way Spezza signs a 3 year deal, I would love it but I think for him knowing his health concerns and his age, he’s gonna be looking for a big pay day somewhere from 5-7 years.
Nobody offers large contracts like that except for Garth Snow… and I don’t think he is willing to explore going to play for the Isles….
Rangers gave Redden 6 years, anything is possible.
Your offers are terrible lol. No player on your entire list would sign any of those. None.
Is Bobby in the press box?
Your salary projections are not based on reality.
No way Spezza signs for anything less than 5 years and if he’s smart he looks for a 7 year contract. Same with Ryan. Mac and Hemsky are going to get $5 mill/yr. in the open market and Methot will get at least $4 mill as well. Sens signed Greening for 2.6 mill/yr. You think Zbad will take less?
There is no way all those guys get extended by the Sens…no way.
Michalek 2 years 5.5 MIL – REJECTED TOO LOW
Spezza 3 years 18 MIL – REJECTED TOO LOW
Ryan 4 years 26.5 MIL – REJECTED TOO LOW
MacArthur 4 years 16 MIL – POSSIBLY ACCEPTED
Hemsky 4 Years 16 MIL – REJECTED TOO LOW
Zibanejad 4 Years 10 MIL – REJECTED TOO LOW
Methot 4 Years 12 MIL – REJECTED TOO LOW
I know we’re a budget team but this is what the Sens offer we are screwed
Even thought the dollar and contract length you propose dont seem realistic the BIGGEST concern is so many long term deals on a team that aren’t the value deals (length plus home team discount) equals contract nightmares in the future and little to no flexibility to create opportunities for the best guys to play. Some of those guys listed half way through their contracts will probably be a pain to trade or Sens may have to eat partial salary. Only so many times you can do that, and if we are really a BUDGET team thats poor financial management and occupational suicide for the GM and assistant GMs
The thing about Spezza that some may be overlooking when considering whether to trade him or not is the amount of fear and or respect the rest of the league has of him.
He may be frustrating for the Ottawa fan base and management at times but I guarantee the rest of the league hates playing against him. I also guarantee nobody feels the same way about Turris and chances are they never will. Not many players that strike fear into the opposition. So when you can back up a player like that with a very good 2nd line, you should have a solid team.
I really believe it would be a big mistake to trade Spezza
I think the thing that most of us are overlooking is that there are two parties involved in these negotiations. Everyone seems to think that it’s only the Senators decision whether Spezza stays or not.
And if Spezza is unwilling to sign the smart thing is to trade him now. I guess you could take a punt at moving him at the deadline, but what happens if we are in the playoff hunt at that point? Would be difficult to explain to fans that the best thing to do would be to move your #1 centre whilst in a playoff race.
The time is now. Spezza knows it and management does too.
Spezza himself doesn’t want to hear anymore boos and next season he would hear an arena full of them.
Can anyone send me a video of a Jason Spezza chant?
You posters that want Spezza to stay this offseason, will be so pissed when he walks for nothing if he is here next year.
The time is NOW.
That’s because it pretty much is up to the Senators.
If Spezza won’t sign to their teams the stories start leaking out, the Sun starts turning public opinion against him, TSN1200 starts piling it on until it’s hell on earth for #19. Players can’t win these situations, they never can. You can’t fight the team and public opinion.
EIther he signs to the Senators terms or he leaves on their terms. His choice.
Sens IMO aren’t interested in offering him a contract!
what???? no now you say he is going down to Bingo????
Cmon Chirp, Tim would love you for that…
a little bad humour on this sorrowful day of non playoffs
by asking to see what trade options there were has Spezza not kind of let the team know what he’s feeling? Not really seeing what else is out there if you plan on signing another long term deal, IMHO
but we don’t know for sure if that has happened.
Exactly. Maybe he did ask at the deadline…before they landed someone he enjoys playing with. Someone with some skill. If I was that skilled I wouldn’t want to play AHL caliber players either.
Spezza has literally played with every winger on the big club. Don’t pretend he hasn’t had his opportunity to play with the Sens best players.
Spezza is not an easy person to play with and that is on Spezza for both the positive and negative attributes of his game.
It’s difficult to find appropriate wingers for Spezza. They have to be able to ‘read’ him. His on ice vision is remarkable.. and some of the plays he makes (a lot of them risky, I do admit) just boggles your mind.
But when you do find that winger that just ‘gets’ him — it’s a treat to watch. Heatley in his days with Ottawa. Alfie.. now Hemsky..
When he is ‘on’ — Spezza is a treat to watch..
Most of you will disagree with this… I really don’t care.
Sometimes he just makes me scream with frustration.. but sometimes I just admire him for what he can do..
I agree a lot of his plays do boggle the mind, like the times he passes to the point on the Powerplay without looking , and there’s nobody there! Jk
The Spezza/Heatley thing was 90% Spezza. Heatley didn’t get Spezza, Heatley stood in the same place all the time and waited.
He did what he did very very well, but Hemsky is a much better hockey player than Heatley ever was.
Haha. Name me one player that has said they fear playing against Spezza? He could be the easiest in the league to play against. Does nothing that scares you as a player.
except put up a shit tonne of points
What is scary about that?
Seriously, Spezza may be the least threatening player to play against in the NHL. He puts up points, but as far as being aware when he is on the ice, nope. Easy come, easy go.
Defenders take notice if he is one-on-one with them and that is it.
There has never been any question about Spezza’s skill level. It really depends on what you are looking for from your top center though and how much are you willing to commit to for essentially a one dimensional leader.
Thornton seems like a very comparable player to Spezza with a tad more grit but he’s also surrounded with a very strong cast.
Nobody wants to get rid of Spezza, but if the right deal would come around then the Sens would be stupid not to consider it. If we get a young 2-way defenseman that can play on the left side of Karlsson, and a top 6 LW in a trade then I would have a hard time saying no to that deal. Otherwise no thanks.
“Nobody wants to get rid of Spezza”
Boy have you not been paying attention.
Nice to see Lazar’s having himself a nice little playoff run. Wish he’d been part of a winning WJC too.
Hey there’s always next year
Hoping that’s the case. Really want the organization to resist the temptation to make him an Ottawa Senator in the fall.
Agreed, let him grow a little and really dominate another year.
Me too. But he may force his way onto the team. I wouldn’t bet against Lazar doing just that.
What he brings, is what Ottawa needs.
What an amazing season he’s had so far. Wildest expectations have been reached. The kid may make the team next year.
Spezza haters are going to hate, and I’m sure if he’s not signed past next season to start the 14/15 campaign that we’ll see the same out rumours magnified 10 fold. Not sure if that means anything to the players, but it’s a pain for us fans to listen to. For that reason, and because I think Spezza has a beautiful smile, he should be resigned in the summer.
Not gonna lie: The Leafs collapse makes Ottawa’s failure to make the playoffs a lot easier to swallow.
Who cares, why are Sens fans so consumed by the Leafs, you talk about having an indentity, our indentity is “Leafs little brother” it seems. Hell even the Sun has a “we’re out but atleast the Leafs are out to”
It should be “who gives a shit about the Leafs”, we wont ever move on if we are so engrossed in what the Leafs do.
Guess I should have mentioned that I live in Toronto. But yeah: I wholeheartedly endorse your not giving a shit about the Leafs.
If Spezza stays and we resign Hemsky, then Michalek will walk since we won’t have money for him anyways. Who would you like to see slot in the LW position?
I think one of Zibanejad or Pageau needs to be a winger because of the log jam that we have down the middle. But I’d like to give Puempel a chance up there. It seems at every level he’s played at he’s a 30 goal scorer, so imagine him with 2 set up guys in Spezza and Hemsky.
I like Puemple.. but I’m done with putting rookies and project players on Spezza’s wing
We’ve been trying for 5 years to get 2 players for Spezza’s wings, now we have them, and we’re going to let one of them walk so we can put a rookie on his wing?
Like I said, nothing surprises me anymore.. but the stupidity of the whole ownership/management situation is getting frustrating
I do agree although I’m tired of Michalek anyways, asides from the 1 good season he had the rest of them we’re spotty and inconsistent.
So do you trade some young guns for a proven LW then? Free Agents aren’t that impressive this year.
my number 1 option, if Michalek is gone, is to put Ryan on Spezza’s wing with Hemsky
don’t really like to break the chemistry of 2nd line, but it looks like Turris can play with anybody
Stone seems to have stepped onto that line and fit in immediately
So someone plays their off wing?
I don’t believe in that mumbo jumbo
if you’re a winger (like me), playing your off-wing is not a big deal.. if it is, then you probably arent very good at hockey to start with
defence is a different story
That can’t be farther from the truth. It’s not how it works.
There’s a huge difference playing your off-wing, same goes for D.
agree to disagree
So you really think that any wingers can switch up without any impact on performance? Really?
Why do you rarely see this then? Your style of play if based on various factors, one being your handedness, position, skills, etc.
If you think a LW with a LH shot can play the same style as a RW, then you are kidding yourself.
Edit: I’ll add this. Why do you think so many coaches base their lineup decisions based on this exact approach? LH shot for a LD, RH shot for RD, etc.
In my experience, it’s easy in the offensive zone, but alot of guys struggle in the defensive zone.
Ask Ovie that question.
yeah, that’s why they have designations for Lw and Rw, because the two are interchangeable and one position should be able to swap out to the other.
Hasn’t Ryan played on his off wing fairly successfully in the past.
Played? Yes. Successfully? Very debatable.
case in point stone has looked good on that line with Ryan out. There is your opportunity to at least start with
Ryan – Spezza – Hemsky
Stone – Turris – MacArthur,
that is of course if spezza is still here. Love the guy, but a 7 / $7 not really a positive signing at 30 and two back surgeries, but that’s just MHO, what do i know im a simple fan lol
Michalek is not a mainstay on Spezza’s wing, he’s gone and wont be missed. Hemsky must be re-signed and yeah, either Stone or Ryan gets my votes.
Agreed. They should try a kid line, sort of speak if they want to try out rookies and such.
Zbad should stay at centre. He’s twice the player in that position and solid defensively. I’d put Stone on a line with Spez and Hemsky and see what magic happens.
If Spezza signs a long extension, Zibanejad could become an intriguing trade piece. And I say that as a big fan of Zibanejad’s — but in a trade you have to give to get. And if what we need is top young D, and he’d be an enticing target for some team.
Enticing because he has got unlimited potential and is trending to being a #1 Centre. Size, speed, defensively responsible, big shot. Exactly why would we look to trade someone like that…plus he is affordable.
I’m just musing here about what the organization might do, not what I necessarily think is best. If they have Spezza/Turris locked up for the next five or so years, plus Lazar coming into the picture around that time, they might see Zibanejad as a guy who could get them something else they need.
Gotcha…way too premature to speculate on when Lazar is going to be NHL ready. If that scenario plays out then its possible to move a centre, but I would guess its at least 2-3 years away and if Spezza is still here then IMO its Spez who would get moved
I guess this is why this will be a defining off-season for this team. If they re-sign Spezza, Ryan and Hemsky to extensions, then we are going for it within 3 years and expect some young talented players to get traded for proven commodities.
If Spezza is traded at the draft, then this team doesn’t think it’ll win soon and will wait 5+ years
You know who would look good with Spezza and Hemsky would be some guy named Alfie
Imagine….one can dream…
Stone or Ryan.
of players not on the team, puempel or cammelleri.(realistically, ie no moulson, vanek and so on) On the team, zib, stone or ryan, with dacosta taking 3c in zib’s spot, and stone taking ryan’s on the 2RW. But I think ryan prefer’s RW over left. Will be fun off season, and I think michalek is gone, simply due to contract demands. If he was willing to be anywhere in the top 9LW, preferably on the 3rd line, with line type money, 2-3.5 mill range, then maybe. Not likely though, as a team like phx or Nashville might want him at the 4+ range
I’m sure the debate over what to do with Spezza is going to dominate these pages over the next couple months, with good reason.
A couple of you poked fun at Chirp over his post about this, apparently for being “on the fence” with regards to what the Sens should do.
I think you were missing the point.
As is typical with most players, but moreso with Spezza – there are two dominating schools of thought. In Spezza’s case:
Gotta keep him, he’s a point a game player OR
Get rid of him, he’s a liability in his own end and he isn’t a good captain (the 2nd point is just ludricous, IMO)
We all need to realize that Spezza may indeed have (as Chirp alluded to) asked Brian Murray to explore trade possibilities. If so, this is a game changer – and for the good of the franchise, the Sens HAVE TO look at what is out there, if they were to trade him.
Personally, I can see both sides. On one hand, I’m hesitant to trade our Number One Center (and the best one to ever play for the Sens) and not entirely sure that we have a replacement for him.( Is Turris ready for number 1?)
On the other hand, I like the potential of Turris, Zibby, Lazar, Smith, DaCosta, Pageau, and like the trend to youth…
If I was a betting man, I would bet alot of you (including Chirp?) would feel the same way.
At any rate, no matter what they do with Spezza, I hope the debate doesn’t get as silly as what we always see out of Leaf Nation with regards to their players.
We’re better than that, right?
Poop is better than Leafs Nation
Kinda surprised over the last few days at the number of fans that want to keep Michalek all of the sudden, especially when you consider how people here felt only weeks ago.
I’ve been a big Michalek fan since he joined the franchise, but I don’t think he’s ever going to gain that step back – this year was his big opportunity. Hemsky and Spezza have certainly been better lately, and I think he’s benefiting from that (ie I don’t really think Milan is getting faster/improving).
I like Michalek’s hustle, and his attitude…
1) he doesn’t stop, or change directions quickly
2) he doesn’t make good decisions while under pressure with the puck
He only has 1 speed and that’s fast… So, in my opinion, he’s an ok 2nd or 3rd liner, but not someone I would want on my top line playing against other top players… He’s a major reason why him and Spezza have such a bad plus/minus…
Agreed, except I think we need to unload him because he’s going to want (and be able to get) more than “3rd-line-budget-team-$”.
Mostly I’m just sad because I think his injury prevented him from being a viable complimentary guy on the first line who can get 30/30.
Yes his late season push has tricked alot of fans into taking him back, I for one am not tricked. He wnot take under 3Mil and thats where I would put him. He’s as good as gone.
Great game by Anderson, Spezza and Hemsky. Not just because of the stats, but they did what is expected of them and that is to produce. Doesn’t matter that the team they played was from Bridgeport, you need to get results.
WIll this game change the mind of management in regards to what to do with Spezza, Hemsky and Michalek? I doubt it. It shouldn’t.
Although I do like the recent quote from Michalek regarding his contract status.
What quote was that?
Quotes from Michalek include:
“I like it here but I also understand I didn’t have good season so I don’t know what’s going to happen,”
“I don’t know whether they want to re-sign me or not. I really like it here, the guys in the room and the city, so I would like to stay here if possible. We’ll see what happens.”
“I feel much better and in the last month I’ve felt pretty good but over the course of the season it’s only one month,”
“It’s not good enough but it was better since Ales came in with some chemistry. We’ll see.”
“It was a disappointing year. I didn’t start very good and it was kind of dragging along and dragging along. It felt better the last month but it was too late.”
It’s weird that UFA’s for the most part.. don’t consider Ottawa a destination. But once some players come in via trade.. they don’t want to leave.
I’d be willing to give him a 1 yr contract (if he would accept that) to see how he performs next season.. It would also give some of the B-Sens players.. like Puempel another year in the AHL..
Thats better…See it aint so hard.
I’m not a Spezza-hater, far from it, actually. I bet I was the first one to buy his Captain jersey. Actually, IceJerseys said I was from their store.
I just see the writing on the wall and I prefer we get something for Spezza than having him walk for nothing. If Spezza is here next season, you will see a whole other level of Spezza haters than the many that came out this season.
Spezza sees it, why can’t others?
The time is now to move on from Spezza. I want the Sens to win. Spezza can’t win. A team with Spezza as the focal point, can’t win. And whether you like it or not, if Spezza is in Ottawa, he is the focal point for all the wrong reasons.
Great game Andy!
Haha you forgot Spezza and Hemsky…
No I didn’t. My very first post of this thread spoke to that and then I wanted to get away from all the Spezza conversation…but I can’t. People keep bringing up this game as if it meant something and that it showed why the Sens need to keep Spezza.
Spezza will walk if we don’t trade him and he is going to have an even worse season next year if he is still on the roster.
Signing Spezza long term after this deal ends, would be the end of the Sens for a lot of people.
The time is now. (I wish I could make that my signature).
So it seems most people here want to re-sign Spezza. If we give him an extension, then I think that Zibanejad should get traded, if not this season then the next. He’s too good to be a 3LC. So I guess management has to ask themselves would they rather have Spezza for the next 5 years, or Zibanejad for possibly the next 15 years?
I say see what kind of trade offers you get for both players and make a decision from there. If Spezza does feel like he wants another shot somewhere else then the decision becomes easier but if we wants a long term extension then they should see what they can get for Zib. If Spezza is good for another 4 years for example, then that gives Lazar enough time to gain experience.
I’m guilty of short term thinking when it comes to this team but I just really wanna see what a team of Spezza/Turris/Zibanejad/Smith down the middle, Hemsky for a full season, Ryan and Cowen healthy and one more top four defenceman is capable of.
Unless Michalek takes a big pay cut, I really don’t want to see him back next year…
Throw this in the crazy/impossible rumour pile, but Heatley can probably be had for pretty cheap next year… lol
Michalek is the only Sens player that plays with an edge. I would welcome him back for sure. As for Heatley, Mouaaa ha ha ha!!!
you know Mac isn’t going to sit Neil even though there are some games he should sit and this doesnt work well if that Smith line is playing 14 minutes a night….same deal with CP
How bout we don’t sign Milo and Boyle but instead sign Moulson and Niskanen (maybe works out to be the same money).
That works too.
This is very plausible.
Greening needs to be play9ing on a different team next year. It’s a money thing, it’s anon production thing, it’s not doing anything that somebody else can’t do thing, it’sa stopping other people from playing thing.
I know you mentioned Anaheim was interested in Spezza. Was it just Spezza or is it a Center they were looking for?
If they want Zibanejad instead of Spezza, would you package him with Weircioch for one of Fowler or Lindholm?
I would take Cogliano and our 1st back for Spezza in a heartbeat.
One major problem with this edition of the Sens is that they are too soft. No one is affraid to play the Sens. Look at our zone entries, all fancy entries, no rush along the board to have their D to pay the price. As for our D’s, they lose the majority of the battles for the puck in our zone. Lots of skills but not enough sand paper. We can’t have all skills, time for Greening, Condra to be replaced by tough SOB.
yesterday – Greening sits – Kassian plays – Ottawa wins
Except Spezza will get injured and miss 20-30 games max, maybe 5-10 games, so it will be Turris/Zibanejad/Smith/Pageau/DaCosta. That still looks decent but not world-beating.
With or without Spezza next year and beyond the problem with the team is not the forwards
Ottawa desperately needs a little younger version of Gonchar
That’s what we had this year, except without Hemsky… Maybe he’ll be the difference between, just not making the playoffs, and winning the cup…
The problem of course has to do with ice time… Who gets what ice time?
I think Maclean has proven he’ll go with his veterans first… so, our lines will be Spezza, Turris, Smith, and then Zibanejad…
I was going to say the same thing too, but he added Boyle as well.
But either way, this team will not even come close to staying status quo this offseason.
Sounds great on paper. And I will bet you $100 that does not happen.
Not a chance management will sit on their hands after having their most healthy season in recent years and have so little success.
Big changes are coming and it is going to start with Spezza.
Booboo, is that you?
Scary. I try not to read him. Please don’t tell me we are saying some of the same things.
Your last line made me think of his comments from this week lol.
I will stick with “The time is now” than.
Is there some sort of rule that says you can only have two good lines or are you allowed to keep strong 3 rd liners.Keeping Spezza does not require getting rid of other potential first liners,especially when they have different skill sets.
No but to improve weaknesses you need to look at your strengths. And have him play 3 line minutes can put a hold on his development over time. Look at what Pittsburgh did with Jordan Stall to further prove my point. Personally I wish that Spezza’s contract had an extra year so that the team would have extra time to evaluate what to do with Zibanejad, but at the end of the day I think we have too many quality centers and can afford to trade off one of them for a top line winger, or a legit top 4 defenseman.
I think you proved your point is wrong. Pens won the cup because they had so many quality centres and had to trade Staal more because of money than anything else. How many cups have they won since then? Lazar has proven nothing yet. Who knows if and when he will be a significant contributor
And look at Staal now, not exactly putting up stellar numbers. Who says he’s more than a really good third line center
Mika is 20 yrs old for pete’s sake…
Let him develop on the 3rd line — with spot duty on the PP. It’s not going to hurt him. Get him good wingers like Stone and Hoffman. Let the 3 of them develop as a line. I think they could be quite exciting to watch them play and develop together..
Then the Sens would have the potential for 3 scoring lines.. and the 4th line as the checking line.
Condra and Greening split their 4th line duties.
I want to play too:
Pageau and DaCosta
Spezza, Condra, Prince and Boroweicki to Colorado for O’Reilly and Hejda
Methot and Greening to Philly for Hartnell and a 2nd round pick
None of this will happen. Not even close.
I wouldn’t say none of this… Lines 1,3 & 4 seem plausible
Hartnell replaced Ryan as my favourite non Sens player. Sadly I can’t see it happening though.
Isn’t O’Reilly playing as a winger in Colorado at the moment?
That’s because their centre depth is insane. They have MacKinnon, Duchesne then their bottom six. O’Reilly could be a #1 or #2 on a rising team.
Yes. This is the first season that Colorado has used him primarily as a winger.
He also makes 6.5M in salary this season. Do you actually think Melnyk would pay that much money?
Yup. It’s only 2.5 more than Spezza and we would have to add to Spezza to make the deal happen anyway.
Let’s just go with Spezza, Hoffman and Boroweicki for O’Reilly and a 2nd round pick.
Hartnell or Simmonds in my opinion. I prefer Simmonds, but I think the Sens will settle for Hartnell.
The implication that Spezza would like out is probably what decides the matter. You make a guy captain and make two trades to bring him a winger and he still doesn’t feel right here. That should tell you he has the same concerns with Melnyk at the helm as Alfie did. Maybe Spezza doesn’t want to waste his chance to win a Stanley Cup dealing with a crazy lunatic penny pinching owner. And you know what, I don’t blame him one bit. Guarantee if Spezza wants out it’s that chump who is the reason.
WE ALL have concerns about Eugene Pinchpenny
Maybe Melnyk will email Spezza in a drunken stupor like he did with Alfie. The EUGE!
Spezza won’t need a druken email – he is gone at the end of this contract if he isn’t traded by that point.
Do you wan’t to see another Sens player bring nothing back in return when he moves on? I don’t.
The leafs spent to the cap.. what place are they in??
Chicago spends to the cap and wins Stanley Cups – what’s your point ?
people here keep complaining that the owner doesn’t spend to the cap, spending doesn’t mean we’d have a better team.. ie TO.. that’s all. no doubt, we need to spend to aquire another piece to the puzzle.
greening and condra traded for picks to the oil who need bottom 6′rs and even those 2 would be huge improvements on their team, lol.
Lots of ways to line up the D without trading anything away, but something has to give. Forwards wouldn’t be much more expensive than what we had this year, but would arguably be much better, and we were already good at scoring. D is a mish mash. I know gryba doesn’t belong in top pairing minutes, but maybe his defensive mind is what we need with karlsson, since we likely won’t be getting a OEL or someone else to pair beside him. Methot can give ceci a bit of room to be offensive, then the bottom pairing is our straight shut down big hitting line. Or add PW for an extra puck mover
Hoffman traded as well?
o darn. no, I like hoffy a lot! we have too many up and coming players!! I’m not sure who i’d remove for Hoffman though. he could have puempel’s spot I suppose, but soon he’ll want a chance too. I bet we package a couple of these players up to get a guy like kane or OEL. Prince, stone and Wiercioch enough for kane? not likely, maybe Anderson in there some how. I really want to keep hoffy though, sorry I wasn’t thinking straight! I wish Dacosta was bigger, and tougher, to make smith expendable, so our 4th could be Hoffman-Dacosta-neil. Then we could run 4 scoring lines!! o well, i’ll just do that in nhl 15 when it comes out. lol.
then, what do we do the year after when lazar is ready!!?? Also meant to have claesson in the bottom pairing as well, if Phillips wasn’t here.
I guess the big story is, we have to move some players out. I guess if a spezza trade happens, that should make some room for either dacosta or lazar next year, but doesn’t take into account what we get back either, which is likely to be 2 or 3 pieces. spezza for kane straight up? doubt spezza waives for the peg though. good luck murray, cuz I have no idea what to do, you’re on your own! lol
Hoffman may be traded. He isn’t safe by any means.
If Hoffman is the throw in needed to make an O’Reilly/Stastny deal or Simmonds/Hartnell deal, Murray will do it and only ask for a 5th or 4th in return for adding Hoffman to the deal.
Wait, Simmonds deal? Haven’t heard anything of the sort, and I would highly doubt that Philly would make him available.
Is this just wishful thinking?
Wishful thinking. Yes.
Philly needs room. One of Hartnell and Simmonds are gone I’m thinking. I would gladly take Matt Read, but they aren’t getting rid of him. So strong on both sides off the puck.
I would dream to have Simmonds on the team. He’s exactly what we need, and only seems to have scratch the surface of his potential.
Size, skills, grit. If there’s any chance of grabbing him, we should definitely try to our best.
I wouldn’t be surprised, but think we may get the consolation prize of Hartnell.
Totally depends on many factors, one of which is how well Philly does this postseason.
It hurts to type postseason…
why do they need room? the cap is going up, and they already have a team, so unless they are making a big pitch to some UFA’s or upping salaries already on their team….
We tried once before to get Read. That failed so spectacularly that we ended up with Cory Conacher.
You win the internet.
Philly is NOT trading Simmonds… No if ands or buts on that.
Except 62 and 65 are both right shots.
LEAFS ARE ELIMINATED!!!! I just had to get that out there, feels SO good!
As for the Sens. A big gutsy effort last night, was happy to see our Boys finally beat the NYI’s this year. Loved Spezza’s pass to Kassian. Shows some real class on his part.
While we are all disappointed with how things turned out, there are some real positives to take away when looking at a few players not named Turris, MacArthur, Spezza, Ryan. Karlsson.
Hemsky has been a gem since his arrival in Ottawa. Outside of the Turris acquisition, this is one of the better moves Murray has made, he has redeemed himself for the Bishop debacle with this steal from the Oilers. 17 games, 16 points, 0 +/- with only 2 PIMs. We need to resign this guy!
Stone has showed promise, 16 games, 7 points and a very consistent effort on the 2nd line. A + 5 is also nice to see. This guy is only going to improve with more ice time next year.
Methot, highest point production in his career with 23 points, and an NHL career high 6 goals. Not bad for a stay at home D. As of today, he has a 0 +/-, which is hard to do on the team that has the 3rd highest goals against this season.
Wiercioch, kid only played 50 games, sitting at 22 points and a +1. These are numbers that a struggling Sens team should be focused on for next year. Why he saw the bench so much, is a total confusion to us all, but I bet you will see a lot more of him next year.
Gryba. Without looking at the stats, I would have assumed Gryba played a lot more games than Wiercioch, but that isn’t so. In 54 games, he mustered 11 points, but also an impressive +11.
Stepping back and looking at the big picture I think this season was a pure growth season. Perhaps the team as whole regressed if you think about standings, but each individual seems to have improved in some way. Except Phillips…
Correct me if I am wrong but I believe that the Colorado Avalanche were the only team to sweep the Sens this season? I think that’s pretty damn good for what people see as the worst season ever. It seems everyone on the team improved as the season progressed too. I’d be curious to see what the about same team would look like next year, with more focus on reducing penalties, tightening the defense, and playing for pride the whole season long, not just for the playoffs.
I know what happens to Spezza is in Spezza’s hands though, so I’m OK with either decision. I just hope Hemsky decides to stay and play with Zbad, if Spezza does not resign.
I’m correcting you because you are so wrong!
I’m going by memory here so don’t beat me up, you are the one that asked to be corrected.
- The Leafs can still sweep us this season.
- I don’t remember beating Dallas
- I know Edmonton took both in regulation from us. That’s 4 points right there!!!
- We never beat LA, Anaheim or San Jose from my memory either.
Yes, and Colorado, you are right there. Haha.
I’m probably missing a team or two. Help me out anyone…
Damn I forgot about Dallas. I thought we beat Anaheim, or did they lose in the SO? Forgot about the Leafs..
Ok since I obviously missed so many I need to go investigate..!
Dallas – 1 reg loss (blown lead), 1 SO loss
Colorado – 1 reg loss, 1 OT loss (blown lead)
Edmonton – 1 reg losses (wtf?)
LA – 1 reg loss, 1 OT loss
SJS – 2 reg losses
Anaheim – 2 reg losses
Well at least it’s all the small sample size teams lol and LA, SJS, and ANA were all before December.
That record does not bode well for when we get to the SCF next year.
Unless they go up against the Blues! They won both of those, haha.
You are on fire today.
On the nhl.com the have given the CBJ 1-0 over Dallas before the game before it’s even started. Or is it a delayed game
The game when Peverley collapsed was stopped and postponed.C-bus had a 1-0 lead when the game was stopped.
Yup, Horton will make NHL history being the first person to score a goal in a game he didn’t play, because he got that goal in the postponed game, and is now out due to injury.
Watching the WeDay video, Neil totally forgot which countries the kids did work in lol “in the… in the overseas.”
Long term future?
This still leaves us with whatever happens with spezza, michalek, greening, condra, kassian, prince and likely a few other 1st rounders by the time some of those guys make the bigs. Problem is I don’t want to get rid of any of our prospects right now. I would guess, while spezza is here, da costa won’t be retained. Not likely to get the 4th line position. Lazar unless he impresses next year, is back to juniors because of how the rules work. I’m thinking next year, we hopefully give ourselves a chance to see what the young guys do, like stone, Hoffman, da costa and puempel. Best case, they are great and we make the playoffs and do some damage. Other best case, we are the worst in the league and draft mcDavid!. Worst case, Phillips is still signed for one more year.
I really hope that’s not the long term future. That’s a very poor offensive team. I can’t see anyone getting past 50-60 points. Maybe Turris and Ryan if they work their asses off.
Macarthur is a career 50-60 pt guy. That’s where I see Zibby ending up as well. Same for Stone and Lazar. Da Costa is useless on that 4th line. Forget him. I’m still not sold on Hoffman. I think he’s going to end up being a career AHLer; too good for the AHL but not good enough for the NHL. I can’t see Puemple passing Stone on the depth charts either.
Mind you, this is all based off of my personal opinion.
That’s the spirit.
yup, and you’re entitled to your opinions. I think its a very strong offensive team, we won’t have a ppg player like spezza, but we could have a couple 30 goal scorers in turris and ryan. Not really any different than what happened this year. lots of teams don’t have the 80+pt guys and are really good. i’d sooner have more 60 point guys on my team, than a 80 pt and a 40 point guy, if that makes sense. That way our offense is spread out, and everyone is contributing and is tough to check against. Leads to more wins, when every line has to be strong defensively against us, rather than just loading up 1 line. Its a boston build. Bergeron is probably the best point getter for them, and he usually maxes out around 60-70 I think. And that’s while they are a winning team. Chicago is a bit more offensive with guys like kane, sharp and toews. kane leading the charge there in the 80 and up category.
As for zib being a 50-60 point guy like macA, i’d be stoked if that’s the game he wants. If we could have 12 forwards like macA, we’d be set. The chemistry with turris, and worth ethic is a perfect example of a solid NHL player.
While I no means think what I posted will be the team, its really not a far fetched idea either. especially if they move out some other bodies this year, that aren’t prospects.
Dont see DaCosta back with the org. Really hoping they dont lose Cole Schnider as he seems to be the type of player that goes from good AHLer to great NHLer (not star level). Where JGP and SDC are great AHLers they are only marginal NHLers. Hope this makes some sense, long day.
yeah, I agree on da costa. he’d be a great 3C, but we have zib to fit that role. schnieder could be good as a 4th winger, in place of greening basically. Not sure we’ll ever have room for pageau unless he just keeps lighting it up, or our other prospects fall. tough to fit him in the top 6 with the others ahead of him.
Seeing Kassian score makes me happy.
I don’t remember seeing/hearing about Ottawa “sending players down” to make sure they qualify to play in the AHL playoffs. Did that happen? Does it need to happen? Zibby, Ceci and Hoffman should all be eligible, shouldn’t they? Same with Lehner, I believe (could be wrong).
it happened. I think only Ceci from that list. Zibb wasnt qualified to go down – look for him to play for Sweden in WC. Hoffman dont think was cleared as he might have needed to clear waivers which could have risked losing him.
Will Karlsson play for Sweden as well? He looks like his Achilles is bothering him… Wouldn’t be surprised if he skips…
It is nice to see that this team isn’t quitting on the season like the ‘blue’ team did.
They are playing for some pride.. or jobs…
A lot are to blame this season… coaches, players and Owner..
I want McLean back but with different assistants… The lineup does need to be tweeked.. especially on the defense.
So how much $$$ did Melnyk gain by not giving Alfie the extra 1.5M or allowing Murray to sign a capable veteran D to replace Gonchar… sorry Corvo was not the answer.. vs not having any playoff revenue.. Nice going Eugene…
Detroit & Columbus came into the East and did take playoff spots from teams that made it in last season…
It’s going to be even more difficult next season to make the playoffs. Boston & Pitts are guaranteed to get in.. and Buffalo will probably be at the bottom. That leaves 13 teams fighting for 6 spots… there could be a few surprises..
Let’s hope the difficulties of this season will motivate the Sens players to play harder and more responsible next season.. We can only hope.
Nice to get a win last night, close the gap on the blue team and push that draft pick further up the ladder. Spezz and Hemsky score beauts again. Zack looking like he is playing loose with ZBad and not as concerned at protecting ice with CN and CG out there.PW and EG looked good together again, just as they did prior to PW being sat in the press box. CC has looked recharged since he sat the one game., kid is going to be fun to watch for years.
Looking forward to watching CBJ in the play-offs, they are my upset pick to take a run. Love the way they play the game and they do it without any top scoring talent. Like a lot of fans, I think ST. Louis is the team to beat. Would be good for them to get their first cup as it is a great hockey city.
Big work ahead for BM. I think we can be pretty sure he will look to make another Ryan type deal without the first rounder, something like a roster player with Hoffman and a Defensman. Maybe add another D-Man to that if you can find a top pairing guy but they don’t just show up on the market as everyone wants them. More likely the team moves forward with the D Group they have and look to add someone like Marcus Foligno or an equal type young guy with a bit more offensive upside, Also would not be surprised to see them go after Ehrhoff. If they do, they will need to open more room on that left side. Going to be a fun off season. Oh and one last thing, does anyone fall apart better then the blue team, I swear to God these guys could loose a one horse race.
Columbus will play Boston in the first round. If they get through them… then I think they go quite deep.. could be to the conference final…
I think they can have a magical run but Detroit will play Bost and CBJ gets PITT as far as I understand. I think the 1 seed v 8 only applies if 5 teams make it from the same div, otherwise it’s 1v4 and 2v3 in each division.
I thought it would be 1st playing 2nd wildcard and Pitts gets the first…
Better for Columbus if they get Pitts… They win that in 5 or 6 games… Maybe they won’t let Crosby wheel around without hitting him…
Detroit would lose to Boston.. as I don’t believe they have the goaltending to go deep..
Did some checking and you were right in the format it is set up that the 1 seed plays wild card team 2 and 2nd seed plays wc #1 with the 2 and 3 seeds of each division playing each other. So as of today it would be CBJ V Bost. Your also correct as far as I am concerned that they will be hard on the body and would not allow Pitt to run around, Love Cinderella stories.
CBJ could win 1-2 games but thats about it. Its like whe we played them in our impromptu playoff run. CBJ wont be able to handle all that PIT speed and skill/grit….Crosby, Neal, Malkin, Kunitz, Jokinen, Sutter, Letang, Niskanen, Maata…
i HATE the new setup. It makes no sense whatsoever. Why not just top 8 teams make it, 1v8,2v7,3v6,4v5. and so on. No guarantee’s to any divisions of any kind. If you really need it, have the top one make it, but in proper 1-8 points ranking, not guaranteed top 2 or 3 like before. Enough teams from divisions should make it anyway, and create rivalries as is. We don’t need to force the issue. And then, the best teams will always make the playoffs, with no room for argument, other than they played more games against tougher opponents, which could be more equalized as well. But they won’t to save travel costs….
Please god don’t let us end up with Ehrhoff
Off topic… but interesting tweet..
@GMillerTSN: @TSNBobMcKenzie what are those coaches thinking making Crosby a unanimous MVP? Don’t they know his Corsi rating is 108th in the NHL?
Yost must be spinning out of his mind.
Isn’t there like 700 some skaters in the NHL not including goaltenders? That puts Crosby in the top tier of players possession wise. It’s not like he has to be perfect in every facet of his game. I’d also be curious where his corsi was pre-concussions.
To add to this, Crosby is sitting at 53% (which is damn good) and he’s +7% relative to his team average (that ranks 16th in the entire NHL by the way). Obviously, part of having a good % is being on a good team that drives possession well. Crosby being so much better at it relative to his team score says a lot about him doing a good job out there. So pretty much, Corsi supports Crosby as a good hockey player. That tweet was ignorant and wrong.
Interesting video… I don’t think this guy is liked by his peers too much…
Absolutely can not stand him…ever.
So Turris may not be as talented as Crosby, but he’s no diver or cheap shot guy either, and probably less whiny. So really, anyone can be captain of a hockey team.. lol
Alexei Ya$hin for example
My favorite Leafs fan comment so far: you know when macarther first signed he went gungho in his 1st year then it was all downhill after that wait till next year see how he does oh by the the way the sens missed the playoffs too he didn’t get them into the playoffs and I guess the sens can’t get in in and 82 season neigther
Yikes – classic case of deflection. Poor Leafs fan…
It seems as though people have forgotten how lousy this team was this year. Every time they had a chance to make up ground they failed. Now that they are putting a few wins together (for pride) People seem to think that we can come back with the same lineup and have a drastically different result. So lets see. This team was:
Worst for goals against
28th for shots against
most penalized team
couldn’t get up for afternoon games
least amount of man games lost to injury
fewest olympians of any team
5 of our last 10 games have been against non playoff teams and still we go 1-1 against an Islanders team that is icing 10 Ahl players and missing their 2 best players. We should not get too caught up in the success some players are having in these meaningless games.
I agree completely… This year was a test to see who’s got what… Now we decide what we want going forward…
Ill say first hand that I have been suggesting to trade Spezza. This season was a disappointment to say the least. That being said, this is year 3 of the rebuild, if they had been bottom feeders last 2 years instead of missing the playoffs and then barely missing them this year then it wouldn’t be as monumentally catastrophic as it feels.
So I had an idea. Since the trade deadline Spezza Michalek and Hemsky have had good chemistry and numbers. Which only insulates and puts Turris MacArthur and Ryan in an even better position, then you could have Hoffman, Zibby & stone and then Condra Smith & Neil.
Now I know people automatically think that changes have to be made when expectations aren’t met, but what if, the Sens stayed the course, re-sign Hemsky, maybe Michalek.
I’m just wondering if management put their faith in this lineup, the one we all believe to be better than it really is, we get better goaltending and the defence is a year older. Could the results not be better and would this not make a more cohesive group moving forward 1 season together. We all know this team won’t be a contender for 3 – 4 years, competitive we hope, but not a contender.
I just wonder if you have a top 6 of
Michalek – Spezza – Hemsky
MacArthur – Turris – Ryan
Would that not be a solid top 6. Your bottom 6 could be pretty difficult to play with,
Hoffman is fast, as is zibby with size and a cannon of a shot, Stone isn’t afraid to get dirty and has an unbelievable hockey sense and seems to know where the puck will go.
Get Cowen a long off season, no contracts and solid, solid training. I’m no GM, I just got wondering what if you left things almost as is to see where they went.
JMO, my 2 cents, you could all think I’m nuts, i just was wondering with the chemistry the first line has developed, the 2nd line has, defence another year and a summer of training things could take a dramatic positive step or 2 forward.
I agree with you, unfortunately I feel like people are already in panic mode. I hope I’m wrong though.
I’ve got some more random thoughts and questions…
Does anyone believe that Spezza will be a better player next year? If yes, why? What will he do differently next year?
Almost guaranteed that Turris will be better next year, i’ll bet everything i got…
Does anyone believe that Ryan will get better? If no, why not?
I think both Spezza and Ryan will be the same players next year… Spezza is not going to all of a sudden change the way he thinks and his decisions… Whereas in my mind, Ryan’s only weakness is his skating, and that’s not too bad, but he’s probably not going to practice like crazy…
We can go through each player… Will they get better? If yes why? What aspect of their game will improve?
I believe our problem is, and has always been our Identity… I think our identity right now is Spezza and Karlsson… That’s what other teams see and plan for… Tons of skills, but bad decisions, and inconsistent grit…
I’d also like to say there are stabilizing factors on a team, and unstablilizing factors… Our top guys, Spezza and Karlsson are not stable players, and our veterans are not stabilizing forces… Which by the way, that’s kind of their job…
I think Ryan will be better, regardless of what anyone thinks, coming into a new city is tough on any player and from socal to Ottawa must be a serious adjustment. He’ll be more comfortable, the surgery will have him back to 100% for a good summer of training, and I bet he’ll come out blazing next year.
I love Bobby Ryan, I think he’s almost perfect except for his skating… I have zero issues with his grit, or his decision making… He has it all… It would be very hard for him to improve because he’s so good and well balanced…
I think we should build a team around him… He’s a real man…
I wouldn’t lump Karlsson in with Spezza. He is young and developing, coming off a brutal injury, divorce, played in the Olympics and so forth. I look to him to have a real breakthrough next year but he needs to have some support from his D pairing and also the forwards
I’m lumping them together because of their destabilizing effort, and their inconsistent grit… Both make bad decisions with the puck… They seem to do the same thing whether we’re winning by one or losing by one…
I hope Karlsson decides to become the best… I hope he decides that… He might not… He might be satisfied with his efforts this year… I noticed a lot of things to be worried about with him… I’ll wait and see, but this year at least, he belongs lumped in with Spezza… I can come up with a list of his shortcomings, but i’m really hoping he grows up this summer… Oh please don’t be ruined…
The question is whether he’s satisfied with his effort this year, he might be… Best point production ever for him…
I believe Spezza could easily score 50 goals a year, every single year, but for some reason he hasn’t wanted to do that, he’s satisfied passing the puck to someone else…
I think part of Karlssons problem was when the team was stagnent he would try and put the team on his back and get something going. He plays so many minutes as well. I was happy to see him get in a couple of scraps last week. It shows he cares and I really believe he will be a force next season with a long summer to train.
You know… That’s when i judge someone… When they feel they have to put the team on their back, what do they do at that moment? And, what did Karlsson do?
When he tried to put the team on his back, he tried to skate through the whole team and do it all himself…
I was very happy to see him scrap… That gives me hope… The whole team needs to be determined to be better or the best… They can’t be satisfied with their play…
He did other things too: he got MacArthur out of his goal slump, he started hitting more, he started talking to the refs more, he started protecting his goaltender. I am with Captain Karl on Karlsson; I believe he will be better next season.
I agree he’s shown a bunch of really good signs, as you just mentioned… He was determined, and if he wants to be the best, he can be… I’m hoping… I think though that Karlsson does react to the overall feel of the team, and i hope we have a good feel next year…
With a few months to rest bumps and bruises, and Hemsky and a healthy Michalek on his wing (instead of Conacher or Greening),a year to settle into the role of Captain, a strong finish to this season and a contract year- yes I do believe Spezza will be better next season.
So what if Hemsky doesn’t sign with us? And can Spezza remain healthy for a whole season
If Hemsky isnt re-signed then this Org is a joke…
How do you figure. Why wouldn’t he want to test free agency. It’s not as if he has any real ties to us
I don’t agree… The joke to me, is having 1-dimensional (not very smart players) as your leadership group… That’s the joke… In their prime they were never smart, and now they’re leading… That’s a joke, recipe for disaster…
I thought last year Gonchar helped Alfie be a better captain… Gonchar is a special smart player… We lost a lot by losing him… We haven’t created that type of player in our organization… Where are all the smart players?
So, you think the only issues with Spezza’s play this year is slightly off because recovering from injury? And because of his inexperience as Captain? That’s it? I came up with a list of his shortcomings… Those don’t just go away without effort and determination… You don’t seem to think he has these weaknesses, and you know what, i don’t think he thinks he has these weaknesses either… I think he thinks he’s a smart player, and he thinks its good for the team for him to continue to play exactly the way he has…
In my mind, Spezza played this year, just like he’s played every year for the last 10 year… I didn’t not notice a decrease in the quality of his play…
So, which aspect of his game to you think will improve? His passing, his shooting, his skating, his decision making, his grit, persistence?
I know the answer, his point production, and his plus/minus should be better… But, his gamesmanship should be just about equal to what’s its always been… Everyone’s production is better with better linemates…
Did you watch the first half of the season? I would say that was a direct result of the factors Chirp mentioned. I’d have to agree that he will have a better season next year in favor of Chirps comments.
Yes, i watched every game… Like i said, Spezza played this year, like he did last year, and the year before, and before… You know what you’re going to get from Spezza, lots of skill with inconsistent grit and effort… That’s what he’s always been…
Spezza has had a very normal year for him… At the beginning of the year, couldn’t find him linemates… And Michalek sucked balls…
Actually i would say Michalek displayed more of an off season because of recovering from injury…
Spezza didn’t look slow or weak or anything… He was fine as usual…
So I guess when he hit 84 points with a revolving door of 3rd line wingers, leading us into the playoff on his shoulders in the stretch run, he didnt improve? Hmm weird.
And then he does it again this year in the stretch run, putting the team on his shoulders and missing the playoffs by a hair.
While players YOU say are better and work harder, did not step up and deliver when it mattered…(Turris, Zib, Mac, Ryan, Smith, Condra, Greening…)
You ignored the productive wingers thing, I noticed.
No i didn’t… Better productive wingers means he’ll get more points, and have better plus/minus… Everyone does better with better linemates…
I’m arguing there are no aspects of his game he’s going to work on… Not his passing, shooting, skating, decision, grit, none of these things, and he’s got lots of holes in his game…
That has always been the debate with Spezza… Love him for his point production, hate him for his manliness…
Sorry, i meant hate him for his lack of manliness..
Your gripe with Spezza is that he isn’t manly enough?
That seems so weird to me.
“I don’t care for this Dachshund. It isn’t ‘dogly’ enough”
Also… I mentioned this before…
When Spezza plays with shitty linemates he shoots more…
When Spezza plays with better linemates, he skates to the boards and he passes…
You do know Spezza is a career +55 right…..No you probably didnt…
He is not the problem on the top line. His wingers are.
Yes, i do know…
And, 20 years from now, you can look back and talk about how good Spezza was, proven by his career plus/minus…
Or by his PPG.
“Does anyone believe that Spezza will be a better player next year? If yes, why? What will he do differently next year?”
Nothing he will do as he doesnt need to change. What he will have is legit top line wingers, well atleast 1 in Hemsky. Something he hasnt had since Alfie and Heatley.
If Hemsky & Stone/Ryan are his wingers, expect a season in the 80+pts range.
But, remember, even with Alfie and Heatley he couldn’t do anything against anaheim and they were the only tough team we faced… He’ll never have linemates as good as Alfie and Heatley, and that wasn’t even good enough to do anything against good defense…
The Sedins are a good line too, but, it’s not good enough…
This was because we only had one line – were shut down against a tough Anaheim. Arguably we have more depth now which could allow for more favorable match ups if put in that situation again with this team.
I accept… We have a much better 2nd line than we ever did… But, the whole league is much stronger now too…
1) Spezza is not going to shut down the other team’s top line
2) It’s relatively easy to shut down Spezza with either your top line, or any defensive minded players…
Spezza is best built to take advantage of other team’s mistakes, and the better teams make less mistakes…
1) First lines are not tasked with shutdown duty…
2) Yes it is easily done if you focus on doing it, that means line 2-3 can step up, which we have this year. unlike other years.
Sometimes the first line is actually good enough to also shut down the other team’s top line…
Well if you mean by possession and scoring sure but no first line is tasked with shut down duty.
Neither did Alfie and Heatley and the rest of the team….whats your point?
You push the point of having a team that all contribute and then bash Spezza cuz he couldnt do it alone…lol, make up your mind.
You are not even trying to understand… So, i’m not to blame..
I didn’t like Alfie either… Alfie was a better mascot than a player… That ‘s my opinion…
In the NYR series, we were losing the series 2-1… Alfie got injured… We brought in some grit… While Alfie was injured, we were winning the series 3-2… Then Alfie returned from injury… Then we lost the series 4-3…
So…bringing in 1 player, which was Silfverberg/Stone/Butler/Daug (they all combined for 1, yep 1point!) made us so MUCH more grittier…. haha come on man. You are really reaching for material now, lol.
We lost cuz NYR was the better team overall.
I believe with Jason Spezza what you see is what you get.
Ryan on the other hand had a significant drop off this year in production likely due to his injury. I think he’ll consistently put up numbers next year start to finish with 35 -40 goals and will likely see a lot more ice time
I agree… Spezza what you see is what you get… The real Bobby Ryan is the guy from the beginning of the season, and he’s the man…
I would love to have Bobby Ryan as our Identity…
Since you have been critcal (ad nauseum) of Spezza all year, you can hardly characterize these thoughts as “random”…
We get it – you don’t like Spezza…
Actually i do like Spezza… He’s been professional… Spezza does what he does… I have no issues with that… Just like Kovalev, and the Sedins…
My actual issue is with the Spezza fans… Because you guys out vote me… So i get stuck with him on my team… So, please stop voting for Spezza… Start voting for a gritty team that we can actually be proud of…
lol gritty team. I guess you would have smith on the 1st line. Spezza is not the problem.
Ok. I’ll bite. Where do I vote to select the players for the Ottawa Senators?
Well right here of course. But remember you will need to have valid ID. No one here can vouch for you!
A gritty team like Buffalo? no thx.
I would much rather have a legit #1C paired with good wingers (Hemsky/Stone/Ryan) than have a bunch of Mike Fisher’s. Effort only gets you so far…
I mean a team like Boston… They have skill too you know, but you dont’ call them skilled… You only call someone skilled when its a 1-dimensional player that only has skill…
LOL we are NOT a team like Boston. Never have, never will.
While we are playing the wish game, I wish we were like Hawks or Ducks.
I don’t understand LOL… What’s funny about that? We’re not like New Jersey, or Detroit, or NYR either…
For grit you said Fisher, when i’m thinking Bergeron… I even think Kelly is more valuable than Fisher… Both are gritty, but Kelly is also a smart player…
Bergeron and Kelly are not grit. They are smart. Big difference.
Well from now on, i’ll start saying smart and gritty… Actually, i want smart players… I want us to have a smart team… I want to be creating leaders, and a leadership structure based on smartness, not on seniority…
I do think that both Kelly and Bergeron are both smart and gritty… And i also think Boston is a good model to follow, especially with respect to their centers…
Never will? I agree that the current team is nothing like Boston, however, to say they never will, kind of an assumption.
Well, since Spezza is coming off major surgery this season, I think there’s certainly a good chance that he’s better. He was definitely better in the 2nd half compared to the 1st half of the season. I certainly hope Turris continues to get better. But, he did have a career year on a line with MacArthur (who also had a career year). I think his overall play has improved several fold since last year, and hope that he continues to get better. But, it’s not necessarily easy following a career year. After this year, we all know a thing or two about tempering expectations.
In my opinion… Spezza played the same all year… He got better the second half because 1) Michalek got better (he was the problem), and 2) he got to play with Zibanejad…
It will be hard for Turris to improve, but he’s determined… “Determination” is the most important attitude to have… He’s determined to be better, he’ll keep getting better…
Karlsson is the one we need to watch out for… Will he be determined this summer to get better? will he give up on the team? Is he satisfied with this year’s play?
If you mean better as in offensively, Spezza has played better in the 2nd half, and even better since the arrival of Hemsky. So if Hemsky is signed and Spezza remains in Ottawa, then Yes, I expect him to be better than this year. Will his defensive game change, can’t say it will for sure, but if he’s busy being offensive, the defensive isn’t as big of a worry.
Ryan should get better, as long as the injuries he had are fully healed. We got to see Ryan at the beginning and he did come in hot, but cooled off. We know now it’s because of injury.
With better, and healthier linemates, Spezza will get more points… If his linemates don’t give up possession of the puck easily, then that should improve his plus/minus too…
I was thinking about skills, or behaviours… Is there any aspect of his game that will get better? Like, will he be faster, will he have a better backhand? Will he hit more? We he practice turning left? I don’t see Spezza working to become better at some basic skills… I don’t see our veterans getting better… The rookies will/should work their asses off…
So far, some people believe Spezza will be better because he’ll have better linemates… Okay… But him as a player, should probably expect the exact same thing we’ve got in the last 10 years… Some people seem very satisfied with that…
Now that we are at the end of his contract… It seems the vote is that was 50 million well spent… He earned it, he deserves it, it was worth the price, the quality was enjoyable… That seems to be the vote from the majority…
I think it’s fair to say that his game may have been elevated by better teammates, especially at the end of the season. But, I think there’s more too. For me, I thought his skating was much, much better in the 2nd half of the season, especially with sideways movement. I still think there are tough decisions ahead for this team though.
Oh nice, i didn’t notice, but i’m willing to accept you may be right… Overall though, Spezza seems to not enjoy skating, doesn’t seem to enjoy stopping quickly, or even changing directions quickly… Actually, thinking about, i don’t think he likes to do anything quickly…
Tough decisions but realistically, we’re probably going with the exact same team next year, because of all the “success” we’re having right now…
Well I hope we change a few things;
1. Let Michalek walk.
2. Trade for E. Kane.
3. Trade for Ehrhoff and Stafford.
4. Lehner starts.
Can’t WAIT for the Game Day Post. Man!!
GAMEDAY! Yeah! Time to catch the Laffs in the standings.
The thing I find funny is a lot of people say “ya but it took Alfie many years to be a good Captain”. The thing is he was a young man when he became Captain and he didn’t exactly have a good role model (Yashin). Spezza has been part of the leadership group for many years now. So going from an “A” to a “C” shouldn’t be a big transition. Alas, there was definately some leadership lacking this year. How can you expect a team to look up to one of the only forwards on the team who doesn’t backcheck.
Alfredsson was the captain of some Senator teams that were much better than the current team and they failed to beat inferior Leaf teams 4 years out of 5.
The best thing that happened to Alfie was the Leafs inability to make the playoffs from 2005 until last year.
Getting the “C” is a big deal. Especially when you are trying to prove your worth while playing with plugs for most of the year. Alfredsson also had the luxury of playing with the team’s best players for most of his career.
Actually we lost to the Leafs because we had a very soft team. (Dackel, Ardvenson, Bonk) and no goalie and a Coach who didn’t want his team to play tough. It had nothing to do with Alfie. I remember teams would run our goalie and nobody on our team would do anything about it. It was embarrassing. Chiarelli sure has done a nice job in Boston with no PPG players though.
Yes i agree we were soft… In my opinion we’ve taken a long road to get to a good franchise, and hopefully we continue to head in the right direction…
I remember Alfie against Toronto… My thoughts were this guy doesn’t react well to getting booed… My solution (which i didn’t share with anyone) was to start him on the 3rd line, with a more checking role, then let him get into his game, before putting him on the first line… He didn’t handle it well against Toronto… He would flub passes and stuff… It’s too bad because i felt i had a solution to that problem
Overall, i respect his career, and him as a human being… We are lucky to have had him be part of our organization for such a long time… But, he sucked against toronto…
Yeah i agree about Chirarelli, such a nice job… And, it’s good quality hockey to watch… Does Boston have more skill than us?
Well looks like Alfie made the right call. Detroit clinches its 23rd straight playoff birth, insane!
Not sure how far they will go with all those injuries but they are in. They could upset BOS in first round, BOS has always had a hard time getting by the first round.
I would love for DET or BOS to come out of the East and the Hawks or Blues out of the West.
I would actually disagree. Alfie + Ottawa would have more points then Alfie – Detroit.
He won them a few games singlehandedly this season, especially when Datsyuk first went down.
Anyway, he made the right choice based on how Melnyk treated the situation.
If we don’t resign Hemsky and Spezza we are fucked. Karlsson will leave when his contract is up too if we aren’t improving significantly.
The cap is going up…we have borderline ridiculous amount of cap space. Melnyk needs to understand if he really cares about this team doing well, he needs to spend money…and if not, step aside to somebody who will.
I am giving Melnyk a mulligan this season because I didn’t expect us to be a contender anyway, so why go out and spend. However, now that we see the potential (+Hemsky and his effect on Spezza), if his spending continues to be stingy moving forward, I will no longer support him.
For now I still see him as a good owner. Find me a team in the NHL with a more passionate Owner…he financed a forensic investigation into Karlsson injury for christ sake. Even though it was ridiculous, I flippin LOVED it. These are the owners that win you championships…granted they r willing to open the wallet.
my 2 cents
I find it funny that everyone is still talking about changes to the offense.
I challenge anyone to show me a team that continously allows 40+ shots a game and has the 2nd worst shots against average that has won anything.
Keep the offense as is and focus on defense.
It’s tough to tell… Offense supports defense, and defense supports offense… Lots of shots makes it seem like it was the structure of the whole team…
Personally, i think Anderson got damaged to his psyche in the Pittsburgh series, and i don’t think he’s recovered… I don’t know if he’ll ever think of himself as elite…
A good defense is a better offense!
So I will be attending the game against the Leafs… would be pretty sweet if they won and avoided the sweep. I’m wondering if as many Leafs fans will be in attendance, considering what happened. Also it’s a little ridiculous that tickets are like triple the price or more just because it’s a Leafs game. And then they wonder why so many Sens fans don’t show up…
“when asked if he wanted to remain a Senator, Jason Spezza said it was too early to discuss such things.” wow so yeah I don’t think Spezza will be with the Senators next season…
Where did you read that
It was retweeted by Senschirp from @SeguinSports
Meaning he has not made any descisions yet, he’s still under contract and has a NTC.
i think the sens need to choose to keep spezza and ryan, let go of MM9 and Hemsky. load up those two vacating spots with Stone and Zibanejad. go ahead with the following forward lineup:
some combinations of: hoffman, pageau, neil, smith, greening, condra in the bottom six.
they need to really focus on D and fixing the goaltending backup situation. Lehner seems ready, its time. If they want to keep Anderson as backup, i think with a pay cut thats probably acceptable.
they do need to get someone more reliable on the backend vs. phillips, cowen. they cannot be playing Chris Phillips 82 games next season, it will result in disaster.
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