Loved outdoor game! Granted there were too many this year, still nice to see our boys this year. So proud that we won!
Let’s hope those jerseys stick around!
Loved the game but will say I started to panic after the first two quick goals. Glad to see the team to rally back from that (especially with the past two blow outs still fresh).
One thing I thought was interesting was how choppy the play was; the players associated this with the bad ice. I would have thought given the conditions the ice would have been NHL quality?
Agreed with the jerseys too, my vintage white Zibby jersey is coming for my b-day
The ice quality started great, but because they had to close the roof (due to rain) they said the quality deteriorated.
Great bounce back game for the Sens after the whooping Detroit put on us. When they were down 2-0 early all I could think was “here we go again” but the guys settled down and took over them game in the latter part of the first period and Vancouver barely touched the puck in the second period.
I thought Andy played a really solid game other than that Kassian softie. Same goes for Karlsson after the turnover on the Kassian goal. Spezza also had a pretty good game.
The defense looked pretty decent without Cowen in their making constant mistakes with the puck and being out of position on almost every shift. Unless a trade goes down that adds/subtracts a defenseman I hope we continue to go with the same 6 guys and Cowen continues to watch from the press box.
Though Wiercioch played rusty as should be expected after not playing much. Gryba and PW will get better when they get confidence in each other. At least he wasn’t out of position all night. Hmmm. no goals against..this is good Jared.
There will never be NO defensive errors but they were minimized.
Minimized is an understatement. Yes Karlsson rushed and harldy came back but he Methot would handle it, lol, had it been Cowen…Oh boy.
I thought our D played very well, PW46 and Gryba seem to be gaining more confidence. I really hope Cowen doesnt play soon. That game was night and day with him out compared to with him in. He’s definitely the root of the problem on DEF.
Unfortunately I wasn’t able to catch most of this game.. Love the rally back, wish they’d done that vs Detroit (sigh)
Anywho, was Lacks performance really that bad? Getting boo’ed (or was it luu’ed) by the fans, a constant stream of trolling ‘nucks fans putting him down in comments… Considering his previous performances, it sounded like Torts made the right decision going into the game?
I didn’t think he looked horrible… Vancouver fans are just as bad as leaf fans now… They are never happy
Ya, was at the game and there was booing and lu’ing. I made a point to say I wouldn’t boo my own team especially on this stage. But it seemed pretty unanimous in the crowd that booing was the thing to do. Glad I’m a sens fan!
From the parts I saw, I thought the Sens played very well. They hit the post, I believe 3 times, and therefore could have been a much different outcome.
Very nice to see the resiliency and to see Neil have fun on the ice with the glove!
Hope to see some big trades soon!
This is worse than waiting for your parents to get up on Christmas morning.. Cant take the suspense any longer! lol
I’m refreshing everything.. My phones Damn battery is half dead already
I cant get any work done and Mondays usually suck for me.. lol
Glad I got till the deadline booked off thanks to this van city trip! Didn’t even plan to have TD day off, what a surprise for me
Im just hoping when they do make the move(s) it not just “Damn thats it”?
don’t think you have to worry about that. BM and Euge made it clear that the goal is to win under Bryan and we have a two year window. Sounds like they will make at least two real moves.
Good timing Spruce, being retired, I look forward to this day and will need to take 15 mins. around 11 am to take a cab to the local for a Caesar and brunch before the pitchers start flowing, lol
Chirp get on the phone with your contacts already! Find out about the jerseys for next season too while you’re at it. Yeesh, what are we paying you for anyway?
We are paying him!? Well shit. I want a new table then.
I think gds a guy who seems to work for the sens said they are going to the O as main jersey for 15/16 I think. Take that as u will
ha, I think I’m secretly waiting for gds to show up here in the forums today and answer this question. thanks for the tip though, too bad we have to wait another year if true.
The jerseys are available now… I doubt they change them when they do switch. Just a thought
I know they’re available, I mean, it’s just too bad we’ll maybe have to wait another full year before the team starts playing in them full time.
and personally, I’d love it if the team made black and white versions, because they’d easily be up in the tops of the league.
THEN, the team could eventually come out with a new third jersey.
If they are making the O jerseys the home and aways I hope they ditch the vintage white. Those colours are nice but feel gimmicky now that half of the league has used them in a 3rd jersey/one off jersey in the past 5 years. Give Ottawa those jerseys with plain white, and a red 3rd jersey that uses one of the 2D Senator logos (either old or new) and Ottawa will be one the best looking teams in the NHL.
ottawa has sent in the paper work to use both jerseys as new home and away, but there is some loophole or something with reebok they have to wait a certain amount of years, so 15/16 looks like the season
Hey thanks for getting back to this – appreciate the info, as always.
where can I see sources for this?
Wonder if the situation in Buffalo is having an effect on the trades.Maybe the owner is having some second thoughts having dealt Miller and Ott.
The Nolan situation from last time appears to be happening again.
I was thinking the same thing but CBS reported late last night that Buff was talking to Minn. yesterday about Halak. TM may just be working that one as time is running out and he knows where he’s at with BM, just another thought.
Road game against a desperate team…no problem, an afternoon game…no problem. Down by two early…no problem. This just in scoops…Sens have arrived just in time to pick us up with a huge win streak and enter the post season as the NHL’s hottest team. Come on you know that’s the perfect story to this season for us die hard sens fans and I truly believe it’s on the way. Contrary to the previous 60 games the true team is about to blow through Alberta and come out the east side with 6 road points and heading into the Peg on a roll. Think about it, the unlikely play-offs two years ago, last years magic. It just makes sense in that crazy sports way.
I just have this feel that we are about to see a new level from these guys and what a perfect time for a long break, next week. The Sens will arrive home on a roll and with what I believe to be a new DMan and two new wingers for the Captain. We will likely still be on the outside looking in when the boys get home but it will be by a point and close to three or four teams on the inside looking over their shoulder at the hard charging Sens. wooo there now I feel better.
2 days 4 hours 43 minutes until BM pulls the trigger!
According to Sportsclubstats.com, The Sens have a 79.5 % chance of missing the playoffs.
Which means they have a 20.5% chance of MAKING the playoffs!
We need an absolute hell of a run to pull it off… Like probably our best month ever
16-4-1 oughta do it!
Not far off, that’s the sad part. What I’m concerned about is all the trade talks.
I really hope any trade is for the long term and not to try and make the playoffs. Listening to Melnyk yesterday unfortunately gives me the impression that it’s the latter.
I hope the trade isn’t a rental attempt at making the playoffs as well. If we don’t make, we don’t make it. Get a strong player for next year, sign our key players to extensions and we will be at the top again soon!
Yeah no way we go 16-4-1…Cowen will eventually find his way back into the lineup as a Maclean favourite. That right there promises atleast 8 defeats.
The terrible first half will most likely do us in. Who says the first 30 games of the season isnt important now…lol.
Adding points early is always a good thing. We wouldn’t be concerned with all the current parity in the East if we did.
A small part of me is already looking forward to next season…
Don’t go to the dark side Doc, stay in the light pal. This thing is far from over and I don’t have a ton of respect for the talents of T.O. MTL. Columbus or any of the others. They are all capable of dropping a ton of games. Look at their sched the rest of the way. Keep the faith and the positive waves baby, these are fun ones to win and will again be the underdog heading to the dance. I still think the cut off will be the same as in the past at 92 not 94.
YOU GOTTA BELIEVE!!! PRAIIIIISE AL…umm…ZIBBY!!!
*gospel music starts playing*
LOL, That’s the ticket…
I wouldn’t be surprised if the cut-off ends a little higher than the last few seasons. We probably took a step backwards this year (D core has struggled mightily at times), but you could also argue that we’re not sitting that much different than last year. The big difference is that Winnipeg was replaced by Columbus and Detroit in the conference. We now have to beat these two teams in addition to all the old ones in the East, and they’re both solid. It’s going to be a dog-fight.
Dog fight yes…that’s all we want. it being a dog fight means we have a chance and this team has some clutch guys, gotta love KT when the game is on the line.
For sure, I won’t count them out. If one team stumbles there’s an opening. But, at the same time, I just hope BM keeps his wits about him, and does what’s right for the future above all else. Just over 20% odds is pretty scary. Hopefully that goes up a little after this Western road trip. But, no team can be taken lightly now.
It’s going to be a fun ride and math is a funny thing. 20% today could be 40% on the way home. This team needs to stay positive and work it’s ass off and will compete with anyone left on the Sched. I can’t imagine this team taking anyone lightly.
I just hope we put up a good fight… Finish anywhere down to 9th.
No point tanking without a pick
Tanking is an old notion that I think is relevant in today’s game, but I do hope we don’t finish too low. I don’t want Anaheim to get a better pick than they already have.
Wish we could use Michalek and a pick to pry Vrbata out of Phoenix.
The go after the Buff sweepstakes. We would look pretty dangerous I think. Vrbata is real underrated in the West and would be huge in our top 6.
Vrbata would be good addition but is a rental at this point unless we sign him. Interesting his name hasn’t come up at all. Looks like some form of ntc too
If Phillips is re-signed for two years, I want free beer at Big Rig Brewer during the term of his contract so I can numb the pain…..
Chirp, to answer your question.
I would like to see Phillips moved to Boston Sounds like he has value from what we are hearing.
That would open some room on the back end that needs improvement.
Something I pieced together about Phillips deal and avs having interest. Phillips and prince for PA Parenteau? Just an idea since eklund rumoured the avs would be the team to beat in bidding for Phillips
I believe that we have way too many bodies both on D and up front, with many prospects that have paid their dues and have earned a shot, and are probably better than some of the regulars we have playing now.
Hoffman, SDC, Stone, Pageau, Grant, Boro, have all proven on a very short window, that they can play at the top level and are better than some of the guys we have playing right now.
Then we have Peterson, Prince, Peumple, Claesson, who have done what they have been asked and are due for at least a shot in the show.
So I say we move some bodies that should move, CP4, MM9, and as well see what we can get for Greening, Conacher, Cowen, Condra, if the price is right, move the bodies so that we can give a shot to some other prospects.
With a backlog of prospects in Bingo, it is only a matter of time that some guys, justifiable or no,t will lose patience and want to have their shot whether its in Ottawa or not ( ie Prince, and even Peterson will most likely be gone after this year )
Agreed, it’s tough to say good-bye to any of your prospects but when you look at the age of this team and the boatload of kids on the way, it’s move em or loose em at some point. Another three for one like the Ryan deal would help that and we could still do another 2 or 3 for one. That would likely help the young guys in the minors see some light at the end of the tunnel as well. Look at Prince right now, he’s way down the depth chart and if it’s true that he was whining about getting a chance, how about Puemple, higher draft pick in the same year if I am not mistaken.
Claessen is way better than Boro Miguel. Boro is getting eaten up most nights in bingo! whereas Claessen is a Rock.
ok then both Boro and Claessen should get a shot starting next year, we still have too many bodies on D
Sens 11-5-4 in last 20, not counting yesterday. If they go 11-5-5 in their final 21 they will be on the doorstep 12-5-4 and their in.
Chirp, with regards to Phillips, you would think that the Sens would have to have told him that they need to know whether he will sign or not by a certain day, right? Have you heard anything around this?
I say Murray just goes balls to the walls and addresses both of our issues in one deal.
Another prospect or two
Why bother packaging all these pieces for a bunch of lesser pieces. Just go all out on one massive deal. Rebuild would be officially over.
Like your thinking but man oh man Buff is a highly paid 3rd liner in the Peg this morning who plays the point on the PP. Not the guy I would want. Comes into camp way overweight every year. Maybe that’s why I am not a GM.
Id play Byfuglien on D
McArthur -Turris – Ryan
Kane – Spezza – Hoffman(Maybe…could be a number of people)
Conacher – Zibby – Stone(again maybe could be a bunch of guys)
Condra – Smith – Neil
Karlsson – Methot
Ceci – Byfuglien
Gryba – Boro(I assume next year)
Still three positions of play around with…but IMHO that is a scary team.
I hear you but he was …well,,,,Cowen like on the backend this year and carries a team worst ugly -16. Now, I don’t put a ton of weight on the +- stat but when your way beyond anyone else on your team, something is wrong and they moved him up front and so did the Hawks on the cup run so….??????
Cowen isn’t even in my list…so throw him into the trade too haha
Not many guys in the NHL create more chances than him. Him and Karlsson on the PP would be filthy. I would even try him as a forward on PP, put him in front of the net. Nobody will budge him.
SIGH – Winnipeg would NEVER make that deal.
Replace CP04 and MM09 with KT07 and ZS15 and they “might” consider it
You are nuts
And Smith is a possible addition, but he has REALLY grown on me this year
Nuts ? Really ?
Because I think 2 broken down soon to be UFA’s and a couple
of B level prospects won’t get 2 players that most teams in the League would want ?
Mike Milbury isn’t a GM in the NHL anymore.
Wait…forget it…Throw them Cowen as well…I don’t even have him on my lines.
I really hope he doesn’t do that!!!!
Wow unrelated but man you gotta feel for Dubnyk… He’s really fallen off… Put on waivers today… I wonder if he never went to Edmonton, could he be a solid back-up in the NHL?
Moulson not on the Ice for buffalo
sens will be rolling the dice pretty soon……….hope it pays off
Sylvain St-Laurent says that Stewart might be coming to Ottawa for Prince and a draft pick. Would have to be a high pick??? Doesn’t seem right.
WOW, 4TH period reporting Spezza being shopped.
Murray should be listening to offers on Spezza!
Please send him to Edmonton
Its probably our last chance to get anything significant for him
Talk about a ballsy move though. Would that mean the Buffalo deal is falling apart as they would not be in on him and I am sure with the return that he could bring, we would not be adding a ton from anywhere else.
Our last chance was 2 years ago – before he wrecked his back in Europe
during the Lock Out
I agree some Western teams are desperate to match what St-Louis did on Friday!
Good point, L.A. is where I am thinking
Give us D and that 67′s kid!
OH God could you imagine! this city would go nuts for him.
The young Russian D-man and 67′s boy would be awesome!
I’ve been saying that for awhile now. I would love Toffoli…
We can only hope.
Spinner Spezza would only wave his NTC to go to a Cup contender that
Not sure who that is ?
Boston ? L.A. ? MegaHog?
Is there any legs to this regarding Spezza
I don’t know, how reliable is this guy from the 4th period ?
spezza rumours are true, was told 10 mins ago that teams have started to call about him, and one deal might might might go down
Any details on that deal and what team ?
rangers, there are plenty of guys in BM office right now, phone has been ringing, door is closed
Stephon is who I am hopping that is coming back
So he would waive his no trade
Maybe if Spezza agrees he’s swapped to Edm with a 2nd for Hemsky and RNH
Colorado or Tampa might be an interesting destination for Spezza. O’Reilly from Colorado would be nice. TUrris,O’Reilly, and Zibby would be solid. Connolly from Tampa would be a TUrris like steal!
Tampa weather would be good for his back!
So trade Spezza within the division to Tampa? It’s bad enough they sent Bishop within the division…
It wouldn’t be trade deadline without a wacky Spezza rumour. Not happening.
LOL, SO freakin true
teams have been calling, but it would take something way to good to pass up
Has been that way all year though. More of a summer time deal, I think. Keep in mind Spezza would need to approve a deal
if it was made i agree summer is a better time
Dreger said the rumors are substantiated
Saw that. Like I said, has been that way all along. Not a deal many if any teams can make right now
I am up for any change that will bring new chemistry to the team, but Spezza to an Eastern Conf team? I don’t know…
All this trade talk is not allowing me to focus on my homework! Spezza being shopped? I wouldnt be opposed to it but we must get a good return for him! Moulson not on the ice? Is something going on? I have a feeling we will havea different team by tmr
@TheFourthPeriod. Was told this morning the Sens are “quietly” exploring interest. Tough trade to make, but worth investigating.
Well confirmed right here
Massive three way including Ranchers /Sabers and Sens
I like 3 ways!
I am too old, lol at my age Viagra is taken a half pill at a time to keep you from pissing on your shoes. LOL
Haha , I’m getting there too!
Who are the Ranchers?
The new team in New Mexico, c’mon get with the news!
Spezza for Vlasic and a first! Make it happen!
Any one know who are the other team kicking tires on Spezza
pierre dorion just said “call tim back, and let him know”
You’re really stirring the pot on here today lol
And keep stiring, this shit is FUNNNNNNN
i dont think thats a spezza trade to sabers, have a feeling its a stewart move for prince, da costa and another
Spezz wouldn’t waive his NTC for Buffalo and he couldn’t do anything to help a team about to start a rebuild. You’re right about that. I hope you’re right about Stewart too. Prince and Da Costa are expendable.
If we trade Spezz I think we keep DaCosta.
Nah. Move Zibanejad to the second line and bring in a legit 3rd line center. A small + skilled center like Da Costa isn’t going to help us out come playoff time.
With all due respect, we have a small centre named Pageau, who did help us come playoff time.
Against a small Montreal team. Having too many of those players won’t do us any good against the likes of Pittsburgh and Boston. We need to get bigger and tougher up front.
We need three lines that can control the puck, when it’s on our stick the other team can’t score.
Most Stanley Cup winning teams have a great third line that can play with the puck and shut down the oppositions best line. We don’t have that. We don’t have anything close to that.
A shutdown checking line is more important than a third scoring line when the playoffs comes around. Defense wins chamionships.
If you give DaCosta a big winger and a skilled winger watch out, three good scoring lines. The kid is real good!
I would rather have two scoring lines and a great checking line than 3 scoring lines that can’t play any defense.
Agree, Can’t see Buff wanting Spezz for a rebuild.
If u want us to take you seriously you have to learn how to spell Sabres!
Or potentially Moulson?
Maybe Spezza get’s traded west and the Sens retain salary. Get back a 1st and a top prospect
Good, tell him to call L.A. To unload Spezza!
lol, there’s no way you’re writing this stuff without their approval. They must check blogs for stuff like this.. re: public reactions, etc.
Ok, seriously, are you for real?
Hey where’d you go, come back! Can’t leave us hanging. How long is this phone call to Tim supposed to last?
He’s deep deep deep undercover , need to wait til the coast is clear
Is Murray back from Vancouver?
Unless you are from Sweden on the Sens roster, you are NOT safe.
You are still not safe! See Alfredsson and Silfverberg
They are no longer on the team though.
Spend a weekend away from SensChirp and I return to Spezza rumors? Like Chirp said, wouldn’t be a trade deadline if the old Spezza trade talk didn’t come up.
Happy Sens got the win this weekend, admit when we were down 2, I thought we may see the Sens pack it up. But to my amazement they came out in the 2nd and 3rd and changed the pace and took over the game. Way to go guys!
Does the win change the position the team takes at the deadline? I don’t really think so. We just went from being 5 points out, to 3, which is still further away than we were before. In the end, we’ve only sat in a playoff position for a matter of days this year, and we’ve basically always been on the outside looking in. So a win this weekend and a win against the Oil and Flames will likely keep us right where we are, pushing for a spot, as our competition will likely continue to win a game here or there.
The Sens need to move a D, we have too many next year, even with Corvo gone. Do they do it now, or at the draft, that’s the question. As for forwards, that’s already been a topic, how the Sens could use another scoring forward. I just hope we don’t overpay for it.
Spezza for Eberle + second?
Doubt he would waive to go there though.
I can see him lifting his ntc to go play with Heatley
So Matt Moulson isn’t on the ice for the Sabres, I think that’s pointing to something happening today. Buffalo has already made it’s biggest move I think, with Miller and Ott being shipped off. While Moulson gets a lot of attention, I think the 2nd biggest trade bait is Vanek. I wonder if Murray is trying to be like his Uncle and make all his moves early, to get past the deadline hype.
If you can unload Spezza in a Ryan type deal you do it! Go get A by a couple of serious wingers for Zibby and we’re all set(in a Buffalo deal). trade Phillips and michalek for picks or young players and watch out! We weren’t going to resign Spezza anyhow!
O.K. Screw it, didn’t want to do this but lets have some more fun. Let’s say Spezz is gone, who gets the C
Turris IMHO…he has been a stud
I would give it to TUrris.
I don’t know if Turris should carry that burden.
Methot C (I never thought Chara would be a good captain)
Neil might be moved this week too!
What about giving an A to Ryan?
Spezza’s not going anywhere before the trade deadline, but if that were to happen, by off-chance, let there just be 3 A’s for a season. Someone in the locker room will eventually take it. That’s what we should have done in the first place after Alfie’s departure.
Could have something to do with Boston. The Philips rumors could suspect correlation as well. Bergeron or Krejci would look great in Ottawa
Doubt it Spezza not what Boston wants!
Bergeron and Krejci are both better than the Spezza we’ve seen this season.
I would like to see murray bring back ZENON KONOPKA If possible
I never knew why we let him go. Loved Ottawa, could actually win faceoffs and if you think you need a tough guy, that’s what he is.
He will bring that toughness that we are missing it was a mistake not signing last summer
Get off the blog, Zenon.
if ottawa did move spezza, i cant even think of what the return would be..would have to more than vancouver wants for kesler
Ryan type deal.
I think an Eastern team won’t touch him, they know what he’s all about. Western team probably.
No offense Jacques, your comment makes no sense. There are scouts at every game, video is analysed 24/7, managers talk every day and you really believe that the Western teams have no idea what he is all about?
this is just a example say he went to San Jose
couture or pavelski would have to come the other way
So in other words Spezza will never be traded?
if he did it would have to be a trade like the ones above, a huge blockbuster as they say
Which is exactly the reason it’s not going to happen, not until the draft that’s for sure.
Another rumour that got blown out of proportion by the Internet.
We could never get Pavelski or Couture 1 for 1 in a Spezza trade. we would have to add something substantial.
i know was a example of what would need to be included for something to go down, if san jose asked about spezza, i say either couture or pavelski have to be there, or i hang up
If he is going to San Jose and we got couture(one of my favs in the league) I would shit my pants…and I feel you know more than you are saying.
I know you said it was an example, but you know how some will perceive it as a possibility, which is clearly isn’t the case.
And that’s why there is now way it happens at the deadline
Gotta love the Internetz.
What’s taking this Buffalo deal so long to happen?
they’re still cleaning up the blood in the Buffalo head office
after Saturday’s coup d’etat
ET TU , TIM ?
gds – what are the 3 different trades you are hearing?
3 different ones that could happen, big rig, mm9 and a buffalo one, 3 could happen
For next season:
i said before the start of the season, methot was looked at as getting a letter, and i still stand by that
He might not have the most talent, but he arguably works the hardest. That’s what a good captain does.
I gave you a thumbs up because I thought you were talking about Spezza… Not much talent but works the hardest as a captain should…
That has probably changed since the start of the season
What would have changed that
Didn’t seem to be in the coach’s good grace for a while.
Still think Karl will have the next C – regardless of age.
The only way Spezza gets traded is if in July, when Murray offers him no more than a 3 year extension on his deal and Spezza asks for the 8 year max. Then and only then does he get traded to the highest bidder.
In the long run, you need good scouting/drafting to be successful, but it has to be supplemented by smart decision making, mainly the ability to sell off assets while they still have value.
I think this is probably our last chance to get any kind of decent value from Phillips and Michalek, so I hope we take it, even though Eugene has said we are sellers. Ideally, it would be great to acquire two or three prospects, but I’d settle for some decent picks.
We have to be BOTH buyers AND sellers at the deadline for the benefit of our franchise.
Well Spezza would need a monster return, and assuming he ok’s the team in question, who really has the assets and cap space to make that trade happen? Assuming he wants to go to a contender, which contenders have that kind of flexibility and and assets to move?
Just a question, where will Lazar fit next year??
In Binghamton, hopefully.
I think it’s junior or NHL for Lazar next year, but am not sure.
you are correct – NHL or Junior – it will be a tough decision for Ottawa
He’ll more than likely get the 10 game NHL try-out to start the season at the very least.
i see lazar starting out like ceci, once he gets his shot, he’s staying
I did not know that. Wonder if it’s a factor in Murray’s thinking re the current prospects in Bingo.
Lazar is seen as a top prospect and has a lot of great things going for him. But he needs AHL development after coming from the WHL. We don’t need another one of our youg guys brought into the fold too early only to get 4th line minutes. He will start in Bingo on the 2nd line I would assume, maybe even the 1st, hard to say.
I see him a linemate with Zibby in the future..
You get the sense that Lazar will immediately jump ahead of DaCosta and Pageau on the depth chart.
I still think he’ll end up as a RW in the end.
We can’t call up Lazar since he was returned to his Minor team at the beginning of the season. We can only call him up when he joins Binghamton after the Oil Kings’ season is done. The Oil kings are 3rd place in the WHL and are having a killer season. It’ll be a while until he’s available.
And lets see how he does in Binghamton before pulling him up two full levels.
In sum, this comment is quite ridiculous.
Thats why I said NEXT YEAR
Right, I clicked the wrong reply. It was meant for someone else
Predictably, the Spezza rumours have started again this year. I think a lot of GMs heard that possibility and thought maybe they could steal him, while Murray’s thinking he’d consider it, but only as part of a blockbuster package (top tier prospect, good prospect, 1rst round pick).
I would guess every conversation Murray has about Spezza is a pretty short one. Other teams don’t want to part with the package it would take to acquire him.
It’s just a wacky idea. If they are seriously entertaining offers for Spezza they are opening a huge can of worms. What if he doesn’t waive? Where does that leave Murray when negotiating an extension….or another trade in the summer. Don’t see it happening.
People are saying Lazar is NHL ready. So I say see how he looks on line 3 and if he fits keep him for the Season. He’s our future captain we need to develop him properly.
Talk about putting the horses before the cart!
Thats what I thought, So what centreman is going to be on the outside looking in
I imagine the organization hopes to develop Lazar as a winger. He sure looked good flying up and down the wings at the WJC.
True, on the right side, he has guts as he went to the coaching staff and told them he did not feel good on the left side. He still took all the important Dzone draws.
Lots of experts say he won’t ever see a game in the AHL!
We can’t call up Lazar since he was returned to his Minor team at the beginning of the season. We can only call him up when he joins Binghamton after the Oil Kings’ season is done. The Oil kings are 3rd place in the WHL and are having a killer season. It’ll be a while until he’s available.
This blog is easily going to hit 1000 comments!
How much work is anyone getting done?
And imagine….two more days of this!
None. Every time I leave this page and return, there are like 40 new comments. It’s making it very hard to keep up with work related stuff. lol Happy I took Wednesday off already. Wheww!!!
Yeah, I am done by about lunch time the next two days…then working super late thrusday and friday to make up for it haha
my problem is that I leave the site because people are blowing smoke out their asses… but then I say, how will I know! And I come back and read the comments…. and then the cycle continues… and no work gets done… should be a national holiday.
best comment i heard at lunch was, if paul gaustad is worth a 1st, we should get 2 for philly and milo lol
Hey gds – what are you hearing with regards to Big Game Chris & MM9′s possible trade destinations?
What are you hearing about Buffalo?
philly to boston,pitts or colorado, milo phoniex, florida or tampa
You sound like Eklund!
Why would Florida want Milo?
Yeah why? Don’t see that happening!
Probably hoping for the ‘change of scenery’ scenario. I can’t help but think Ottawa will let him go for a 2nd
devils are also in on milo
A bidding war could turn that into a first?
It’s too quiet in the NHL….
eye of the storm
So does ANYONE have a realistic destination/return for Spezza?
Any serious offer has to be coming from a playoff-bound team and a desirable franchise that might expect him to waive. And more likely a team that’s either been involved in Spezza rumours in the past, or Murray has done something with before.
So….Rangers, Ducks, Kings, Avalanche, Lightning and let’s just throw in Sharks for sh**ts and “giggles”….
If Spezza is seriously being shopped, I would pity the person who has to clean BM’s phone!
I would say Rangers would be the best fit.
I can’t see Spezza going to an Eastern team……
if rangers, brassard, stephan and 1st. plus some added parts on ottawas end
Greening? He would fit well – - just hate sending to East.
gds what are you hearing on the Spezza front?
his name is out there, now its just seeing what offers come in
Which teams seem interested?
It would be AWSOME if we could land Webber some how!
It sure is, but a man can dream!
Haha dreaming with your eyes open!
A little early to be drinking Jimmy!
Stepan not stephan , would take him in a second!
Colorado maybe if they can’t come to terms with Stastny?
I could see this.
I’d be willing to bet that nothing happens on the Spezza front. Only thing I could see happening is this summer near the draft.
I think some are getting their hopes up for nothing.
but it seems clear someone in inquiring. wondering who it is and what they have for Ottawa.
We shouldn’t forget about all the “Ottawa REALLY wants a 1st rd. pick back this year” talk from a few weeks ago.
maybe it’s anaheim calling, offering our 1st back along with something else? Do they even need Spezza? I dunno … just throwing darts here.
Our first, Silfverberg and their 2015 first?
This never happens. That 1st is gone, so is silfverberg.
Not sure where this comes from, but the reason they were willing to part with this year’s 1st is because it’s a weak draft compared to next year.
True that Doc….
I’d suggest the reason was Anaheim let them know the 1st had to be in there or they weren’t getting Bobby Ryan.
Seems that the first was already part of the package, the hiccup was the they wanted Zibby instead of Silfver, which Murray said a big no.
Lots of older big name players end up with the Rangers
The New York GM is NEVER afraid to make a big move
Spezza and Nash have a lot of historical chemistry as I recall
I minored in Historical Chemistry at McGill.
Voynov and Toffoli from the Kings would set our team up nicely for the future!
We can give them Corvo and Spezza!
It depends on the type of team he chooses. If it’s a team that’s young, he’d be looked at as a #1 C. Or he goes the direction of a stacked team where he fits in as a 1B type of C.
If you go with stacked teams in the West, you can rule out the top 4 big names, as they all have legit 1st and 2nd line C’s already. So it would probably be a team like Minnesota, Dallas, Winnipeg or Colorado. Out of those teams who may compete, he would probably have the most success with Colorado in the next two years.
Oh damn, I guess you cannot rule out Phoenix, BM has a history with them.
Could be Minny.
would love to make a deal with Minni if we can get Neiderreiter in the swap.
Do you feel like Neiderreiter will ever grow enough to be a consistent top 6? He has some nice offence but really lacks an all around game. We would be his 3rd team before his career really even got going. There is a good chance the Islanders just mismanaged him, but definitely a gamble.
I would take Charlie Coyle over Neiderreiter.
Both will do. Just like that s#!t disturber and his skill set. Reminds me of Perron in Edmt.
I can’t see Spezza waiving for a team that…
a) is located in Minnesota
b) historically plays an ultra-conservative system
c) includes Heatley (or was that just gossip?)
Depends what rumor out of the 100′s we’ve heard. Minny may want to try exploring the old Spezza to Heatley chemistry they once had.
What if Spezza was dealt to Toronto for Kadri or Gardiner?
Man, if Kadri had an attitude change I’d entertain an offer.
I actually like Kadri… he’s a bitch! He get’s under everyone’s skin…
It would be a crazy deal
The only Leafs I would have any interest in are Kessel, JVR and Rielly. Too bad all three of those guys are untouchable.
Yeah KAdri would be great to have but for Spezza, you need Kessel or JVR, but that wont happen. TOR are not that stupid.
Come on. Kessel is worth more than Spezza!
I’d take a Kessel with one testicle for Spezza oops…. Sorry!
Of course he is. I’m just saying those are the only Leafs I would want on the Sens.
Not interested in that little puke. Better options out there.
Epic pain. Kadri and Gardiner are both vastly overrated players. If Murray opened the door to a world where I had to watch Spezza feed Kessel for a GWG….well I just made myself a little sick even typing that.
Mendes with an interesting quote from BM, in regards to trading CP….a draft pick doesn’t do anything for us!!!!!
Murray….such a wily vet.
That sounds like posturing. Draft picks, especially the higher picks that Phillips could get, are always useful for a team looking to deal more.
Spezza + + for Weber? (signed for another 7 years)
One can dream….
Would. Be. Awsome.
And I’m sure Andy would be so happy he’d shit his pants if that deal went down.
Annnnnnnnd this is why I hate this time of year.
I enjoyed the classic but boy Torts needs to clean up his act. Big event and camera’s rolling in the locker room you would think he would bite his tongue for once and watch what he says. Especially after this years blunders. Mclean was very professional in talking to his team in front of the cameras, truly shows he cares about the teams image.
In all seriousness I’m pretty sure John Tortorella suffers from a personality disorder. Being a borderline sociopath can actually get you pretty far in life, until no one can stand you anymore. Think Torts reached that point this weekend.
I have actually thought this for a while
Maclean was reading from a paper….Torts wasnt. I hate people like you who want to make this such a boring game. Its in the locker room man, anything goes. I would love to have a passionate coach, show some emotions. Vancouver’s problem aint with Torts, its with the Sedins, they got to get rid of them ASAP, been like this for years now.
You can be passionate and emotional and ferocious without having to lay F-bombs during such a big promo for the Sens and Nucks. Gets old real fast, and for Torts that was close to a decade ago… I thought it was in poor taste personally.
Its all good with passion but to have to swear to the point words are bleep out shows a disrespect to team, opponent and league during this big event that was broadcast nation wide.
I actually love Torts and think he belongs somewhere in the NHL, but he loses all rooms within 2 years so his shelf life per team is very short.
Yeah, I think it’s fair to say that this was a bad hire.It’s been one thing after another.
Good time to turn on TSN 1200 in a couple of mins as they are going to a statement from BM after this break and Mendes said interesting stuff, whatever that means
Spezza aint going nowhere, especially not with himbeing just named Captain AND man crushes from the management for our older players…
Would have to be a 1st round pick and a top 3-6 player coming back.
What are you talking about, MaCLean isn’t a Spezza fan! He did fine without him last year. This is the ideal time to move him.
Hey Jacques. Must be difficult typing with one hand eh!
that’s nasty but funny
I’ll get my wish and will love the egg on some people’s faces. Reality check time!
I know a couple of posters who must be at church praying!
Haha Jacques, didn’t you know this website is Church for us
Well start praying dude!
Will do! I think it would be wrong to trade him half a season into captaincy, but if the return is really good I’ll learn to live with it.
Ok starting to like you and will cut you some slack,
Watch out for flying eggs pal, you might be shocked at the return for our Captain “IF” he gets moved and everyone will see he’s not the bum your making him out to be.
I’d be very happy with a great return, I just think this team has the pieces to move forward. We wouldn’t resign him so you make the trade!
Agreed and I think the time might be right to pull the trigger as well. Think of this team without CP or JS. The vets become a 28 yr old D in MM and Milo will be gone as well so the forwards will be led by the Old guys like CMac at 28 and Bobby at 26
What happened to SpezzaFan19?
He , ZipZapcRap, Canucknik and Peluso are still posting
on the old site
Didn’t Canucknik have his own blog?
Haha is he still whining about Michalek!
No… he ‘aint going nowhere’ because likely the only team to provide us back excellent value for him would be Edmonton and there is no way he waives his NTC to go there.
Doubt spezz is going anywhere. Maybe at the draft though i wouldnt be suprised.
Just posted by Bobby Mac
Trade: Hamilton Tiger-Cats acquire conditional pick in 2015 CFL Draft from Winnipeg for QB Brian Brohm.
Bob’s a comedian – who knew ?
Haha. You made a few people jump!
Hmmm. Murray sounds pretty pissed about the Spezza thing getting out there. Better go back to the deep cover gds…
Everyone knows I love Spezza, and would appreciate having at least 1 lifelong senator from the remaining vets, but if he is to be traded I would much prefer they explore something with Edmonton. However at the end of the day there are probably only a handful of teams he’d waive for and I highly doubt Edmonton and Winnipeg are on that list. If they are, then let’s make a deal!
I will admit to having been hard on Spezza at times in the past, but not nearly as hard as alot of posters. I really have a hard time with some of the criticism leveled his way.
Those of you who have been real critical of him have to ask yourselves who will be our number one center moving forward? I love Turris, but he has yet to show that he’s ready for that role, in my opinion.
Even when I was critical of Spezza, there was never any question in my mind whether he was a true number one center, and the fact is there are teams who are lacking that, so be careful what you wish for.
I don’t think all this trade stuff is at all helpful to the team right now, but Turris has been our # 1 C almost all year. His line draws harder defenders against these days.
Fair enough, but Spezza’s 12 years ino his career and is stil at a point of game Talk to me when Turris is able to out together ONE season at that pace…
Yeah, I agree there is probably a lower ceiling for points production (w/ Turris). And, he’s probably not the idea # 1. Weather his defensive game makes up for that is the question, I guess. I’m a fan that’s really more in the mushy middle about Spezza (& what to do with him). If this year is representative of what we will see in the future, it’s probably the right call to move him. If he’ll get better as his injury becomes more a thing of the past, it’s probably the wrong move. Either way, I don’t like this being discussed right now. It’s not going to help the team at all down the stretch.
TUrris would have 10 more points if he didn’t have to take so many draws in his own zone!
That’s generally been my feeling too. Love Turris and he does a serviceable job. But in my mind he’s the number 2 guy on a team that’s for real. Kind of like Bozak…
The number one center debate is one thing, but the question of whether the Sens are a better team with or without Spezza is another. The fact that this is even in question tells me that this guy isn’t a number one center than you can win with anymore.
His points are nice and all but maybe his overall game hurts the team more than it helps them.
Not a responsible game. TUrris and Zibby can do the job! We might score a few less goals but we’ll give up a lot less too.
This turns us into the Nashville of the East except without the D. Not a good recipe.
No way, plenty of guys who can score, plus the TUrris line won’t have to take as many D draws to cover for giggles!
Cover? With Spezza gone, who takes those draws if not Turris. That line of thinking makes no sense bud. If Zibanejad or Smith suddenly would take those draws, they can do it now as well.
If there ever was anything even simmering on a trade involving Spezza, I’m guessing just the fact that it made it to the media pretty much kills that. Full damage control now. Everyone seems excited about this. What a terrible distraction for our entire team (Captain implicated in trade talks) heading into key games against lesser teams. I think moving him might be wise, but this is a terrible time to be addressing that. This is off-season business if anything is going to happen.
I don’t think the team should be using Spezza trade rumours as an excuse. To the contrary, I would see that as a motivating factor for all players. Those who want to keep him work should work their asses off to make him look good on the team. Those who want him to go should work their asses off to show that he’s expendable.
I guess everyone responds differently. Personally, if there were rumors that I might be re-located at work, that would probably affect my performance (how do you not think about something like that, and what it means about your own worth). I hope you’re right, but I think the circus factor surrounding the deadline and this team just went up. I do agree, the team won’t be using this as an excuse (nobody will say anything to that effect). Players will have to work hard to keep focused, because this is all that they’ll be asked about. Given that changing game-time to the afternoon plays a role in performance for these guys, I’m not happy this is front page on TSN. Hopefully they rally together like your suggesting.
Hey gds – are you hearing anything new?
How about Vancouver? Some sort of Spezza for Kesler+ swap? Kesler would be the perfect #2 to Turris.
that will be Zibby’s job
If Turris-Zibanejad is our 1-2 punch at C we are in trouble for a couple years.
I am not so sure Spezz has been better then ZBad this year and I think if the kid gets 18 mins a game he will be that much better.
It’s about game changing abilities. Without Spezza we’re down to pretty much Karlsson who can do it regularly. Even Ryan is not on the same level as those 2 offensively.
True but I expect we would get a game changer in our trades, and the downgrade from JS to Zibb at this point is minimal and it’s not like were going to give him away. This team will be stronger on the wings or the blueline after such trade.
Minimal? I don’t know how that statement can be supported or validated. There’s a huge drop off from one to the other. Simple example, the pass to Ceci for the goal, Zibanejad would never have pulled that off.
you are correct just like everyone else that felt the Turris trade was a bad one, what had he done with his 10 mins. a night before getting here. Yes beauty pass for the winner. Don’t get me wrong. I like Spezz, I am just saying the fall off is not what you think it would be, less scoring yes…on both sides as ZBad does backcheck
I was huge on the Turris trade and one of the few. Zibanejad is not as good as Turris.
He just turned 20, of course he’s not Turris and neither is Spezz right now.
Spezza is still more skilled than Turris. Not sure how you don’t see the difference in skill here, the drop off is huge. I didn’t realize you were so high on a team of 2nd and 3rd liners. That is some boring hockey to watch.
In boring do you mean not having 7-5 games
How many of those have we had? Are we seriously arguing made up scores? The drop off from Spezza to Turris is big, to Zibanejad his huge. That’s all there is to it. Not sure why w’ere debating this.
The fact that you think Turris and ZBad play boring hockey is amazing to me. I enjoy seeing the Turris line out there
That is not what I said. Getting rid of Spezza without replacing that top 3 offensive skill will create a team of 2nd and 3rd liners, much like Nashville and NJ of old played. This leads to having to play more trap style to even compete … therefore boring hockey.
. “I didn’t realize you were so high on a team of 2nd and 3rd liners. That is some boring hockey to watch”.. Sorry how does that translate for you
Not having top 3 talent on your team leads to boring hockey. Doesn’t matter whether it’s Turris, Zbad or some other guy. When you have no top talent everyone starts facing stiffer competition that they don’t have the skills to beat. It leads towards the more trap styles just to compete. This whole thing is straight forward, not sure why you aren’t understanding it. You think Turris and Zbad will look the same or better, instead of worse, without a Spezza on the team?
Do you think we would get nothing in return for him? Ryan is a top end talent, Karl is a top end talent and worth the price of admission. There is no question the team is better with Spezz then without him. The question is how good can our blueline or wings look if we move Spezz and still deal 3 or 4 prospects. KT, MZ. ZS and Grant is not the worst way to finish the year with wingers like Ryan, Cmac, Stewart and whomever Spezz could bring us.
Ryan has proved he’s 2nd line and that’s it. He really is not top end talent, he’s definitely above average though. As for return, you made no indication we were to assume we’re trading Spezza for a top 3 talent and truth be told, I don’t think we’d get one, more likely to get a package of prospects and picks. Hence what I’ve been saying, it will not be as good.
There is no way we are going to agree on this as in a strange way we are arguing the same point. As I said, I know were a better team with him then not, BUT… the strongest position on this team is at center so if the price is right then you have to make the move now. I don’t expect this team will be in the finals this year so let me finish with the fact that I was at that critical game 5 v the Devils when he was called up and led the team to a win forcing game six won with a CP overtime goal. Bad ending with the home loss in gm 7. I have always supported him, just think it may be time.
I think we’d go from being a really strong team down the C with him, to very under skilled and shallow until Lazar joins.
Not taking anything away from the great play we’ve seen from Zibanejad, but Spezza’s line is still typically getting the better opposition. If we trade Spezza that puts a ton more pressure on Zibanejad (not so much Turris). Turris is barely a first line C and Zibanejad is a debatable 2nd line C. Love Spezza or hate him, but trading him absolutely makes us a bit weaker down the middle, if not a lot weaker.
U want to trade him now? I think the Sens might have to give the plus!
I never want to trade him, but I’m always open to talking trade when there’s been substantiated rumors. I still think the summer or next season are more likely if at all.
I think this is really the right time to do it!
BM is hard at work, only seen him leave his office a couple times since i got here at 8 30am
Had to have a piss only twice, pretty good for an old guy!
but TSN1200 said that he was still in Vancouver?
hes been here since before lunch
vancouver isnt a far away land
It’s at least a 4 hour flight and TSN1200 just said a few minutes ago that Bryan was made available to media about 45 minutes ago IN VANCOUVER
Yes, this should be good.
Your credibility is starting to look like it, though.
gds has been right about enough things that his credibility is not really in question to me.
To each his own I guess.
Explains why you didn’t see him leave his office, huh…
Hahahahahahaha(Although I give some random on the internet just as much a chance of being right as some of those clowns)
Thought he was on the trip, shows what I know.
Hahahaha! gds goes down swinging!
Next time he leaves the office, take a picture. That would solve the mystery.
ya i have no clue whats going on never did
Thanks for wasting our time pal.
Cool points are fun though, huh?
They want you in aisle 2 now buddy someone knocked over a bottle of pickles! Clean up time!
Hahaha – that would imply he has a job, which I’m sure he doesn’t have the need for while camped out in Mom’s basement.
you need to put (sarcasm) after that, some people are a little thick in here.
Just remember this. Spezza has played 667 games and has 667 points. He’s a point per game player. In 56 Playoff games played, 52 Points, not far off in point a game here either.
We are not talking about just any old player here. Outside of what Alfie did and what EK is doing now, we are talking about the Ottawa Senators most consistent point producing forward and our current Captain.
If the Sens are offering Speeza up, they better be doing it expecting a kings ransom. This year, he’s not being seen as productive as he was, based on the overshadow and emergence of Turris, but he’s got 46 points in 56 games, hardly a slacker. So worst case, kick the tires and see what Teams offer. If it’s nowhere close, you say suck it and hang up!
Yeah, the scrum coming up on team 1200 is from out west Murray isn’t in Ottawa! Come clean dude, that Florida trade reference killed ya!
BM just confirmed Spezza has not been talked about in trade!
Did he confirm where HE was!?!?
Not that I heard.
Come on, fourth period reporting it, there have been feelers sent out! Murray for sure was going to say that!
Fourth Period just combines all rumors. They don’t fact check. Yes he may say that either way, but it still doesn’t change he’s highly unlikely to be moved. I guess my praying worked, sorry
We’ll see, keep praying.
TFP reported that they were quietly testing the market for him. That isn’t hard to believe is it? No one ever said he was likely to be traded. Not even that full of shit poster gds!
FoN – I think you’re missing some of the back and forth to this convo from earlier. TFP is not a SOURCE, they are an alternative to Hockeybuzz, except they don’t claim all the credit.
I’m aware of that. I’m just say that it isn’t hard to believe that they would test the market for Spezza. The organization has to decide whether they’ll extend him or trade sooner or later.
I’ve never disagreed with that. But hearing from BMs mouth he’s not trying to trade Spezza vs a random quote on a rumor site, not going to jump to anything. I’m sure BM has talked about every player on his roster to another GM at one point or another.
They are more reliable than hockey buzz. Dreger found it worthy enough to mention??
He’s quiet now his shift at the grocery store must have started!
Grocery store? Jacques you need to stop with your attempts at insults. I thought you were going to show your nicer side today. Stop hating on people for your perceived version of where they live and where they work. Spoiled much, that you need look down on so many people in life?
Ok Bro, I wasn’t talking about you!
No I know, it’s just how many living in the basement and working at the grocery store comments do you drop. Find some new ones at least
Sorry will be nice bro!
I work at a grocery store & I thought it was a funny comment!
Nothing wrong wit working in a grocery store Jimmy!
Hahahahaha – thnx Jacques!
This is going to be a long 48 hours.
Some people need to realize that GMs, coaches, agents etc have no obligation to tell the media/fans everything. Sometimes they outright lie if they feel it’s in their best interest. Case-in-point: Murray may not have actually literally talked trade regarding Spezza (or he might have) but that’s not saying he hasn’t been checking his value around the league. Either to determine what he’ll cost to resign, what he might get now or later for Spezza or just to get an idea what teams are willing to spend in general (for any player).
Fun to speculate but it’s a puzzle nobody’s going to solve. We’ll find out when/if a trade happens and that’s it.
everything is for sale at the right price, even the Great Gretzky and Orr were traded. BM would not be doing his job if he did not consider all players, depending on what the offer was. So given the contract status, everything ought to be considered. But in my opinion if we are going to move a PPG player, we had better get something of equal or better value in return
Would we get fair value , maybe not quite ,but if you wait you get nothing for the guy! Sens will not re-sign Spezza, there is no way Murray re-signs him!
we can say all we want about Spezza, but the facts are very clear that PPG players do not come easily in the NHL. He is a gifted playmaker, who can score some big goals. I do not think he can be replaced as easy as some on here think he can be. You can teach anyone who can skate to play defence… but you cant teach just anyone to score!
“You can teach anyone who can skate to play defence…” – No you can’t. We’ve been trying to teach Spezza to play defense since the day he came into the league. Are you implying that he can’t skate then? lol
He’s definitely improved over his career. Miguel is correct.
He improved until this year. About Spezza being a PPG player, people need to start asking if he actually is that at this point. It’s pretty damn hard to tell with the poor quality of line-mates he’s had for the majority of the season.
He definitely doesn’t look like a dominant offensive player anymore. I mean he’s still very good offensively, but I have my doubts that he’ll ever return to form.
I’m obviously very open to trading him, but I won’t be upset if he hold on to him. I just hope that if we plan on keeping him around that we get him someone to play with. Michalek, Conacher, and Greening aren’t top six forwards. Michalek was at one time, but definitely not this season.
And more goals go in our own net when he’s out there. Really analyze correctly and just one guy not back checking hard on a line will kill ya! So many examples of that this year! Come on Murray do something today for F sakes!
Everything you just said applies to your butt buddy Karlsson too. How nice of you to be such a hypocrite.
He’s f-ing regressed big time this year! His best before date is passed boys, time to come to that realization. Sensnation if you’re a young guy time to get on the TUrris, Zibby bandwagon! That’s where the future is, time to send Spezza to a team that will take him.
Jacques, it’s not happening, so until he gets traded I’m not going to crazy over it. I’ve always anticipated that if he were to ever be moved it would be over this next year, but who knows what BM will do. Phillips being traded might help signal that BM is indeed ready for a full changing of the guard, not holding my breath either way though.
we can teach Condra, a goal scorer in college to play defense pretty well, however FoN, can you teach Condra to score in the NHL?
If you could we would probably be in the playoffs right now
My point was that defense isn’t as easy to teach as you claim. A lot of players aren’t committed of they just don’t have the hockey smarts to play on both sides of the puck. Obviously offensive talent is a gift and can’t be taught.
Great answer Bro!
ok so we agree Defense can be taught… while offensive talent is a gift that cant be taught. So to my point if we want to give up on a PPG player, which cannot be taught, be sure we can replace that PPG player, they do not come by easily.
We aren’t talking about a point per game player though. Spezza is almost two seasons removed from being a point per game player. He’s currently on pace for 64 points in 77 games. He’s become invisible more often than not.
EK can’t play D either and he gets a pass due to his offensive abilities.
Karlsson was very good defensively the year he won the Norris. He’s definitely capable but this year he doesn’t seem as committed to playing defense as much. He’s always just thinking offense.
You can’t tell me he can’t play defense. The year he won the Norris he led the NHL in takeaways. I’m pretty sure that’s defense.
That’s what’s so frustrating, he tried harder defensively when he was younger. Why would he go backwards on that so fast instead of improving it. He may have already peaked as a player sadly.
OH COME ON !!!!!! Peaked, having a tough year in the D zone after an injury like that and your even thinking this guy has peaked. Man you almost had me on Spezz but now I have to wonder…WOW
Peaked as a 2-way player. He will grow, mature and all that for sure, but will he ever win another Norris despite dominating the league offensively? Only if they stop counting defense.
Stop side stepping what you say…you said peaked, I know what the word means.
Side stepping? I’m not side stepping shit man. If he doesn’t win another Norris, he’s already peaked unless he goes on a 2way domination for a few years and wins some cups. I do believe he may have peaked during his Norris season. Again we’ll only know if he wins another and returns to playing d again. Not gonna hold my breath.
Wow – I’m glad you’re not one of our team’s evaluators of talent !
Because I’m saying the truth? Show me anything that proves it to be wrong. You do realize there are some people that peak earlier in life and not in their age 27 season right?
And don’t worry I feel the same about you and Jacques.
I don’t think he’s peaked at all. I think he just as some maturing to do. A lot of his issues come from trying to do too much. People also have to remember that since he’s won that Norris, his opponents are more aware of what he’s capable of and what his weaknesses are.
Karlsson is focused on by the opposition more than any other play on the team and more than most players in the league. Team’s alter their game plan specifically for when Karlsson is on the ice.
He hasn’t peaked yet. Not even close. His game just needs to be altered slightly and that will happen through the maturation process. He’s only 23.
He can’t play d because of better opposition and he’s trying too hard? As long as you have yourself convinced of that …
That’s hardly what I said. Whatever you want to take from my comments is up to you. I didn’t say he can’t play D. I just acknowledged that he’s struggling this season and I explained why I think that is.
Name a defenseman on this roster that hasn’t struggled defensively! It’s funny that you defend the one guy that has struggled the most (Cowen) and then can state that Karlsson can’t play defense.
I was talking about this year. He has been rather brutal
He doesn’t have it in him to play responsible D.
If there is anything today’s rumour has done for me is surprise me with just how much I am ok if such a trade should happen.
Allow me to elaborate.
the Last 2 seasons have shown me that this team is no longer reliant on Spezza for our offence. Factor in we are a young team STILL in a rebuild we should build around Lehner and Karlsson, We had our shot in 2007.
Spezza’s injuries and regression have shown to me a player who is tired of the circus that is or has been this team. I believe the franchise and and Jason both need a clean slate.
Now Jason has been our best player for many years and He has not been supported by the Calibre of players his talent Demands. Since Michalek (when he first got here) it was only this year (Bobby Ryan) that we actually tried to give him a skilled winger.
I mean Colin Greening was his linemate for almost 2 whole seasons FFS.
This organization Has failed to support him through linemates and perennial stories of miscontent. Frankly if I was Spezza I would be open to leaving.
If we move him west Imagine the returns we could get for him factor in whatever returns we would get for phillips as well. We would have a truly clean slate with which to work and Karlsson to build around.
Minus Neil (not getting into it here but I would keep him) we would have a chance at a new identity Maybe truly be the pesky Sens again for now and the forseeable future.
I’m sure I’m going to catch a lot of flack for this but I’m curious as to how many people agree with me on this.
If the return was fair, I’d move him.
I agree 100 percent, The offence of this team runs through Karlsson! Give the TUrris line more offensive zone starts and more goals will come, plus we’ll cough up the puck a lot less, thus becoming more of a puck possession team! Give Zibby better wingers and this team will produce big time!
If he’s tired of the circus then why did he want to be captain so bad?
To wear a ‘c’ in many people’s eyes means your are an elite player – which is what Spezza desperately wants to be know as league wide.
Really? He was considered elite before he ever wore the C, and he knew that, the league knew that, hell your mom knows that. So much silliness.
The only people who ever called Spezza elite were Sens fans. And even then, we have a poor way of showing it.
Wasn’t elite enough to get a blink from the Olympic committee.
You just took the words out of my mouth.
You mean on the deepest team, with most of the top 5 Cs in the world? Elite doesn’t mean there aren’t better. You kids and your ignorance.
You make room for a player if you consider them important enough to help your team win. Team Canada did not believe Spezza was important enough to make the room for him. I guess Yzerman doesn’t feel Spezza is at the world elite level.
Wasn’t even invited to play street hockey in Calgary!
Not sure what you think you’re getting at here. Are you saying all players on Team Canada were elite and anyone who missed was not? I think you’re just talking in circles.
HAHAHAHAAHA, that is worst statement and so wrong. Look at the MVP voting over the years. Those aren’t sens fans voting! What a joke statement!
One good year and he has Karlsson to thank for it!
Sure hope you’re kidding, but knowing your Karlsson crush just sad, so sad!
Karlsson is the greatest player this franchise has ever had! And he’s only just starting his career!
Most generational talent, yes, but greatest, we’ll see if he ever gets us to a final or wins a cup. Jury’s still out, especially with his improved floating skills out there on d.
Holy smokes, watch the games Dude, 10 Spezza’s won’t get you a Karlsson! Hell, he led the Olympics in scoring. Canada had a guy stand next to him all game to limit the guy!
10 Spezzas lol, that’s a lot of offensive skill. I’d take them over the current Karlsson any day. Would rather turn the puck over 10 times in their zone then at our blue line.
The 10 Spezza’s would all be minus 35!
Compared to Karlsson’s -14?
Big difference! Had Karlsson played with Methot all year he’d be in the pluses!
Really, did you watch him last game? He played just as badly as he has all year. Cause of 1 goal, almost allowed others that the goalie bailed him on. You’re welcome to think he’s that awesome, he’s a generational talent for sure, but his deficiencies are so bad and becoming so blatant now that he doesn’t feel the need to work hard defensively. He just wants the puck, to do his thing, and then get credit for putting up points.
You realize your two separate comments completely contradict each other.
So much silliness……. hahaha!
I think you need to learn to read names.
Wow I truly expected there to be more dissent just yesterday before these rumours I would have said no, but after having thought about this I believe it’s the franchise that has failed him.
On how many other teams do they allow ELITE (don’t kid yourself he’s a ppg player his whole career so there is no argument) to languish without support again bringing up Greening He made him into a 20 goal guy, now on any other team I think they bring in at least a decent winger not fringe top six players on any other team.
great point Alex. Greening was just one lug they played him with. Butler, Bochenski, Latendresse, Winchester, no names that are no longer in the league.
Can anyone deny that for 4 years they gave him zero support? Hell they even took Alfie away to “spread the offence” well there is no offence if you only have two legit top six guys.
ANY other franchise would support him.
since 07 he’s on a higher ppg% than kessel 4 points back with something like 80 games less, include the fact Kessel had jvr and lupul.
According to Murray Spezza is not being talked about in way of a trade.
This just in, Murray admits he once told his kids that Santa Claus truly does exist!
Anticipation. It’s making me wait.
I want a hamburger
Awesome stuff Colin! Haha
I know Murray has said the opposite… From TSN
With two days to go until Wednesday’s 3pm et deadline, there’s some trade speculation surrounding Jason Spezza and the Ottawa Senators.
Sources tell TSN Hockey Insider Darren Dreger that the team is ‘quietly gauging interest’ on the Senators captain, though Spezza has a limited no-trade clause and carries a large contract.
The news comes amidst other reports that the Senators have been been searching for a winger to play with him.
The 30-year-old centre has one year remaining on his current deal which pays him $4 million next season – but with a $7 million cap hit. The team signed him to a seven-year, $49 million contract in 2007.
Spezza, who was named captain last fall after the departure of free agent Daniel Alfredsson, has 15 goals and 46 points in 56 games this season.
I’m pretty sure Spezza has a NO TRADE CLAUSE. Nothing limited about it. He would decide where he goes.
Ok, so just to play around with the idea of moving Spezza, not only where could he go, but what type of trade would you be looking for and what you want to get in return?
Sid da kid ur no way man.
OMG , Spezza not worth too too much Bro! A Ryan deal if we’re lucky! But if you don’t deal him, he’ll sign with the Leafs at the end of next year!
You need to learn to read sarcasm.
Haha! Sorry was that Italics?
Ya I really couldn’t understand what you wrote.
What are the stipulations of his NTC? Is it limited, full…
Let’s just say he opens up to any team in the West.
No one’s going to Calgary.
gds disapeared after Murray’s interview…
I am betting he is suffering from a ChangeOfNick syndrome.
He disappeared because he was caught in a lie and owned up to not knowing anything lol
Pierre Dorion in the other cubicle hit him with the candlestick, or was it Prof Plum in the Library with the revolver????
I miss gds already! Hahaha
Hope you guys didn’t hurt his feelings.
Kettle, can I introduce you to the pot? Hahaha.
Twist: Doc is gds!
Hehe…aaaah…ahea…hmm..not sure..ahhh humm….what you are referring to… *cough*
HEY LOOK OVER THERE!!
Like the double Tooks accounts! Doh!
I think the double tooks accounts are hilarious. He’s his own biggest fan.
Is Jimmy-Jacques his counter? lol
Haha – no, but now that you mention it …. a very good idea!
We should all make a secondary “____ 100% right” or “____’s biggest fan” account. Fun on a Monday.
I think you just unearthed a conspiracy. gds knew too much, was too close to the source and had to be taken out.
We will avenge you gds.
Just joining….what is gds?
A poster who claims to know inside info but clearly doesn’t haha.
I think she admitted earlier today that her insider knowledge was a ruse, no? Or was that the ruse?
If it was a ruse it was quite an impressive long con.
Ya where did you get that from?
He’s a poster on here who has seemed to have insider info in the past, but seems to have been caught in a lie this morning claiming Murray was in his office while Murray was in fact in Vancouver.
Isn’t this gdschirp?
I feel like we will never see another post from gds again haha.. Unless he stumbles across another rumour while playing world of Warcraft in the basement…
So Dreger is more or less calling Murray a liar?
Darren Dreger @DarrenDreger 51m
Did anyone expect B.Murray would announce Spezza is on the block? He’s not, but his name has been suggested to teams in overall discussions.
Come on Sandy… Bryan Murray isn’t going to openly say “yeah we’re testing the market for Spezza”. What does he have to gain from that?
He would have a lot more suitors if it’s known. Unless you think he’s going to call all 29 teams and pose his hypothetical “if he were available” scenario to them.
Sounds, like some have said, that Murray is actually assessing his value either for re-sign purposes or just general interest, but is not trying to actively trade him.
Tough day to not have Internet access. (Just moved into a new place) Will have a full post on this Spezza business tonight and update on Twitter/in the comment section if I hear anything before then.
Although this is the gds show now anyway…
You’re old news, Chirp. We’re on the gds bandwagon now.
Who’s this Chirp that you speak of?
For having had to wait so long for your presence, tonight’s post better come with a table, poll…. the whole Gentlemen’s club!
Congrats on the new place – at least you have something to keep your mind busy.
To be honest, it was a perfect day to be without Internet access. Between the gds-induced shitshow, and the completely irrational negativity around Jason Spezza, you didn’t miss much.
Haven’t seen anyone be negative about him… Just speculating about potential moves due to actual insiders confirming he is being shopped
If you want Spezza traded you aren’t a real fan of the team, haven’t you been following the posts! Haha
Finally you understand lol
HMMMM – 4:30 in Ottawa – nothing’s going to happen today
Everybody go outside and get some fresh air
I’ll check out once we roll gdschirp over a thousand comments for the day.
Very good idea and who knows what happens on Twitter, will miss gds
You think being an nhl gm is a 9-5 job?
Don’t think so.
Yessss – but most announcements come during those hours
That Buffalo deal was pretty late in the day.
OOOOKAY – everybody back from their walk around the block ?
I’ll take the next “push refresh on the Bob McKenzie TWITTER page” every 10 seconds shift.
the team that could use spezza is LA but they just dont have the room for him.
Unfortunately, i dont think any teams that can afford him would get Spezza’s nod of approval. He’s here till the bitter end…
Tell me Nashville, Pheonix or Florida wouldn’t have some interest if it was that easy…
I can not find anything either way confirming to what extent his NTC is. Does anyone have a good site for that information?
- NTC means player has to consent to trade 100%
- NMC means player has to consent to trade, waived or assigned to minors.
- Limited NTC or NMC means player has to submit list of teams he’d either be traded to or would not go too, or that the clause is only valid for certain dates. Normally around 10 teams they won’t go to.
On capgeek he has a NTC.
That’s the best I could find too… But dreger says it’s limited (you would assume he knows what he is talking about)
I believe it’s limited/modified because it only kicked in around 2010.
Murray must have a MOVE blackboard and an ACQUIRE blackboard in his warroom! cuz things might get complicated!
gds took a picture of it, will post later
Dude you owe me a new keyboard!!
Do you think he would be ahead or behind Kopitar in LA? Or do you think it would be one for the other?
I’d see him behind kopitar… And LA is one of the few destinations I could see him agreeing too, with some pieces I would actually like. Not sure they have enough though
Like I said earlier Voynov and Toffoli would be nice!
Two quality choices, and I am certain if he went there toffoli would be a piece… Just the two isn’t enough though. That gives LA one hell of a one two punch down the middle
Those are two pretty good pieces IMO, what would be missing a 2nd rounder?
I’m a fan of those two, but not worth it for Spezza if that’s all you’re getting with a 2nd rounder.
Well, to me that is more than what we gave for Ryan!
Silfverberg when traded last year and Toffoli now are pretty equitable. Both 2nd round picks with offensive potential. Voynov + 2nd vs Noesen + 1st is where the gap happens imo. But from LA’s perspective you are right, maybe Voynov is too hard for them to part with at a price we’d want to pay.
Voynov is an established NHL offensive D -man(and a good one). Noesen far from a sure thing.
Voynov (24) is still establishing, he’s had some downs this and last year, and it’s now not sure how above average he will be as an OFD. Is he that much of an upgrade over Wiercioch or Ceci? I wouldn’t pay anything for him unless he is.
What about Mike Richards?
Hmm totally forgot about him.
That one two three would be Unreal haha
That would be a pretty awesome team. I wish we could spend to the cap and have those types of decisions to make. Feeling so “small market” today!
I’m so glad Renaud Lavoie chimed in on this Spezza trade and put it at 1%. Way to say “I’m too afraid to say he won’t be traded without covering my ass in case he does”.
Check out @THNKenCampbell’s Tweet: https://twitter.com/THNKenCampbell/status/440609856840421377
I would think they would wait until the unlikely event where they had an agreeable offer before pissing Spezz off even further. That is another way of saying OF COURSE his agent hasn’t heard shit yet…
Moulson in the line up tonight for Buffalo…..
Is Nolan still the coach?
Reason for the Moulson post was it was mentioned on here earlier he was not at practice insinuating a move here..
Pretty anticlimatic so far
Could mean we actually have an eventful deadline day.
I think the opposite – 1 or significant deals by teams that are willing to grossly overpay because they think that they have a real shot at a Cup
Saint Louis already made their’s
lots of buyers – few sellers – prices are way too high
I mean let’s be honest the hype around trade deadline is only a thing because TSN wants it to be. The teams that are looking/rumoured to deal are always right at the cap so all deals have to be dollar-for-dollar anyway.
Sure there’s inevitably going to be ONE big trade in the next 2 days but nothing that needs the media circus that has been created over it.
Seems to be some rumors floating around that LA may be targeting Moulson/Ehrhoff.
Has that rumor on our part died out? Can’t say that I am too upset about it…Still leaves the option to send Prince + for Stewart…and use other pieces elsewhere.
Keep hearing that Tim is asking for too much. Still think Stewart is a possibility but seems tough to land all three. Demand will be sky high for Moulson and Ehrhoff
With so few sellers, me thinks we should take advantage…
Big win by CBJ V T.O. Tonight
Watching the Sabres game vs Stars and have to admit not too impressed so far with Stewart. On the second goal that Dallas scores I tried focusing in on Stewart and he basically looked dis-interested. Just out for a skate. I know it’s first game for the guy and haven’t seen him much with the Blues but on first impression not sure what all the fuss is about.
Yeah, can’t imagine he’s to thrilled to go from top of the league to dead last. Especially if he is just tau be traded again
Realistically I think we trade Phillips for a prospect and pick. Use that to get Parenteau or Stewart. Maybe prince sdc and wiercioch for erhoff? Depends how much Tim likes them I guess
Tim likes Lazar / Ceci / Turris / Smith
Haha, yeah. No on all accounts then
Of coarse he does. You always start negotiations with what the other party doesn’t want to give up. Buffalo isn’t desparate they are already in the tank. We are on the bubble and have a skiff full of overpaid underachievers.
Hey chirp I see you tweeted something about Parenteau. I hope that’s a target we look at. Heard he wasn’t as available due to other injuries. Signed for a few more years at 4 mill. Exactly what we are looking for. Hope to see Phillips trade for both parties. Expect to hear tomorrow…
Just read a Tampa blogger saying that Brett Connolly is one of three guys Tampa might move on Wednesday. Murray are you listening , this could be another masterful Turris steal. Tampa is seeking a d-man. I can think of a couple!
I feel like if there was a 3 way deal in the works, it would have happened by now
it hasnt happened, so that only means one thing… Tim Murray is a weasel.. he stole Stewart from st.louis knowing we wanted him, and traded Ott from his own team… knowing we wanted him
now, he’s trying to kings-ransom Stewart in front of us (if you want stewart, you have to take moulson… and moulson will cost you)
Everybody is talking about “oh it was planned all along, 3 way deal”
I don’t think so, 3 way deals usually go down in the same day…
TM screwed us… on purpose
I wouldnt be surprised if Buffalo has traded for Parenteau later today
Time for another forensic investigation?
What an ungrateful son of a …
hahaha…. don’t panic… Maybe TM is saving Ottawa from itself… Acquiring a rental that doesn’t fit into our long term plans is a bad idea
Wait wait wait…it all makes perfect sense now…
Tim Murray is gds!
gds – has Murray shown up for work yet!? (insert wink face here)
— I hope something, anything, happens today.
gds if you want alot of twitter followers, just post it right here.
I am really in the opinion that we should be sellers.
With “everyone” still thinking they have a shot, the demand is high, and with few sellers we should be able to sell high.
Add to this that I really want to see what our own prospects can do ( who knows maybe Stone may turn out to be even better than Stewart ). We have quite a few that have already shown flashes of being NHL players.
So move out some bodies, for picks or prospects, and give our own kids a shot to see what they can do.
I say we do this and we make the playoffs
Chirp, make a new post, telling us every single thing you know. You know you want to.
Shheeesshhh… Calm down people! It’s quite normal that nothing has happened yet. The asking price will remain high as long as TM feels that there is more than one team interested. The asking price will go down at the 11th hour, that’s when deals will be made.
TM is just doing his job in trying to get as much return as possible. He’s got a lot pressure being the new kid among GMs. He wants to prove himself.
New post up
yup as soon as I post, up goes the new post
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