Senators Fall Flat vs. Rangers- Highlights

SensChirp January 19, 2014 116
Senators Fall Flat vs. Rangers- Highlights

  • Andrews theory

    Someone needs to hypnotize the Sens into believing these afternoon games are actually night games.

    I don’t think Andy was horrible yesterday but 4 goals is 4 goals. Given the support dished out by the team in front of him recently it would have been nice to have him deliver a 3 star performance.

    Can’t win em all, they’ll need to be ready to go vs the caps this week, every game counts here on in.

    • Jacques

      You don’t get the feeling that Anderson can make the stops. Let Lehner play the bulk from now on and let the chips fall where they may!

      • Sensnation

        Jacques, as much as you want the cup this year, this is a development year, which means your veterans still lead the charge for the most part. All this hate towards the veterans, the coaches and the team is not deserved this year. You need to learn patience, a SC contender isn’t built overnight.

        • Zelle

          But we want the cup noooow! haha

    • Sandy

      Too many goals go in behind him from the faceoff circle… I don’t think he was very reliable yesterday (although it was not all his fault) and he certainly contributed to the loss on Thurs against Mtl. Price won the game for Mtl.. but Andy lost it for the Sens.
      I agree with Jacques… time to ‘release the Lehner’.

  • Sicilian

    That was an ugly game to watch right from MacArthur’s first penalty

  • sben
  • mkjr

    I can’t believe after the way we played Thursday, we could come out so flat and uninspired. It’s as if they felt after the way they played on their road trip they could just take the day off. I think PM needs to bench a few players to send the message that that kind of play will not be tolerated. Not sure what’s up with Cowan this year but he seem to be a liability more times than not, can they send him down to work with Luke without having to go through wavers? These points they’re letting slip away could come back to bite us in the a** at the end of the season. I think it’s time to start letting Lehner get the bulk of the work because Andy doesn’t seem to have to confidence this year to be consistent.

  • SenaTHOR

    We need to quit assisting the OPPOSITIONS goals. 4 in 2 games. Karlsson 2 Cowen 1 Phillips 1

    • Sensnation

      Hockey is a game of capitalizing on mistakes. How many goals across the league do you think are scored where no one made a mistake? It’s like you guys fantasize about a 0 turnover team. Get your head out of the clouds!

    • Zelle

      More like Karlsson 1, Phillips 2, and one 5v3 PP goal.

  • jasonontheoldsenschirp

    Too many games left to give up on the team now guys. Don’t quit on them!!

    • SENSsmile

      I’m not quitting, that’s for sure, but I get really annoyed with PM giving regular shifts to Anderson, Cowen and Phillips. Anderson can be quite good at times, but he’s not reliable. As for JC02 and CP04, they suck big time this year. One would think that the coaching staff would start to see that and make changes accordingly.

    • Richard Gough

      Too late !!

      • Sensnation

        So does this mean we can count on you to go jump on a different team’s bandwagon

  • Miguel

    Terrible game by many of the sens
    But none worse than Phillips. I really need someone to help explain to me how the hell does this player start your PP in a 1-1 game right after NY scores a PP goal and he almost plays the full two minutes and helps NY kill that penalty where we not even able to get a shot, and we generate 0 chances to score.
    No damn way he plays you PP when Methot is 10x the player Phillips is.
    Many keep saying that we are playing guys like Cowen so that they gain experience yet we keep playing our oldest slowest and worst dman and sit our better and younger dmen in PW and Gryba.
    PM has to start doing what is best for this team and play their BEST players and Phillips is by far our worst dman out of the 8 we have up right now!

    • sprucesens

      Because he’s a life long senator. And after the alfie debacle, it won’t go any other way. I really hope murray advises chris that we won’t have room for him next year, and that he can either stay on with us for the year, or be traded to a contender for a better shot at a cup. Then we can offer him a job maybe as defensive coaches assistant or something. He used to be excellent at defense, however time has caught up to him, and he can probably do better as a mentor on the bench, without costing the team game’s, than he can as a 7th D, which he likely wouldn’t even agree to anyway.

  • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

    And the confusion continues.

    If Cowen is past the point where we can send him down waiver free, we seriously messed up. This guy is not ready for full time nhl duty…. I don’t necessarily think it’s lack of skill or motivation… But maybe the injury?! Hopefully the injury?!? Although I suppose that could just be a sign of things to come throughout his career.

    • Andrews theory

      I think the biggest issue with Cowen is playing top two minutes. It’s a steep task for any defender let alone a guy that has missed as much development time as Cowen has the last few years.

      He should be playing in the 5-6 spot along with CP. while its fair to say he didn’t have as many brain cramps yesterday, so much of Ottawa’s game depends on a clean transition and his first pass to any other than EK frequently leads to a turn over.

      To be clear though Cowen wasn’t the issue yesterday. Team was flat and when you are trailing in the game, giving out all the ice time to 4th line grinders is not likely the best solution

      • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

        Totally agree. I really don’t even blame Cowen, if anything I blame the organization for trying to force too much out of him.

        Not everyone can come and play at a high level so young(like Karlsson and to a lesser extent Ceci… Who continues to impress me just about every game)

      • Sandy

        Cowen is trying to overcome the deficiencies in his game.. and now he also has to cover for the defensive deficiencies in Karlsson’s game.. That’s not where he should be..
        One thing he did do really well yesterday was a great shot block on the 5 on 3.. but they ended up scoring later…

      • Sensnation

        We’re at the point where no one can cover Karlsson’s mistakes anymore because he’s making so many. Honestly my concern about being able to ever win a cup with him playing 25-30mins a night is returning. Such a defensive liability!

        • sprucesens

          karlsson more than makes up for his mistakes. Yes he can be non chalant and lazy with some of his plays, but usually right after that he is leading the rush better than anyone on the ice. Cowen wasn’t the issue last night, but he has been many nights. Yes its growth and learning, but it doesn’t mean he isn’t the issue. If i’m the defensive coach, i’m telling him he better be hitting someone hard every shift. None of the poking at the puck with his stick, and barely putting his arm’s against guys in the corner. Go in and hit the guy. Knock him on his ass.

          As much as trying to steal the puck works for guys like karlsson who are good with their stick, he needs to play the game differently. When he starts hitting guys all the time, they will start hearing the footsteps, and start coughing up the puck all on their own, or making bad passes. Thats the game he needs to play, and he either isn’t being told that, or hasn’t figured out how to do that. If you watch methot, he does that. He goes in and pushes and shoves until he takes his man down, and out of the play. Cowen does not, and he needs to learn how

          • Zelle

            Agree with you completely. Good post.

            I actually think pairing Karlsson with Cowen is bad. Karlsson also has to make up for a lot of Cowen mistakes. Cowen should be paired with Methot so he can learn from him instead of Karlsson. Ceci with Karlsson would be a lot better I think. Or Borocop actually.

    • Sensnation

      Or maybe it’s fan impatience! He’s done well enough and deserves to be in the NHL, if you can’t see that you can’t see what the coach, management and any skilled hockey individual sees. Yes he makes mistakes, that’s part of the learning process. Hockey is not a game of perfection, there is not 1 hockey player who never makes a mistake.

      • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

        I also don’t disagree with what you are saying…. Personally I want to see him turn into what they want him too, I just think he may have been better served playing high minutes down there for a few months /weeks. Ensure the injury is dealt with and timing is at an NHL level

        • Sensnation

          Timing? It’s a growth process, he won’t learn NHL timing in the AHL. Every player who gets called up tells you how that’s the biggest difference and adjustment to the NHL. I get what you are saying, however I think you misunderstand the development process. Cowen’s game is NHL level, it’s just not prime of his career top 2 pairing level yet. You know how he gets there though … TRIAL AND ERROR!

          Add to that half the things people whine about him for are either Karlssons fault in the first place, or just a good move done against him. Like there are NHL players on the other teams too, and they can make moves/plays that other NHL players can’t stop.

          Anyways pointless discussion. He’s in the NHL, he’s staying in the NHL, learn patience and realize this is a growth year for him and many others. The experiences they are living through and dealing with this year is what will make them stronger both physically and mentally going forward.

          • Zelle

            He is not a natural NHLer like Ceci. He is using his physicality a lot more now, which is better. But you can see the hesitation in his decision making when he has the puck. I mean he tried to dangle through two players yesterday then lost the puck. So either he’s trying to be something he’s not, or the coach is encouraging this because he thinks he will learn and do well eventually.

  • SenaTHOR

    Remember Spezza and Neil are back in. Even though Neil is very effective physically Smith does the same thing, becomes redundant. I really don’t like to bust Spezza but the he’s a turnover machine.

    • Jacques

      Sorry, but the two of them don’t bring much anymore.

      • bluebuyyoo

        Still ridiculous!

        • Jacques

          Spezza blows counted about 10 times where he was standing still, or he takes a skate around the opposing net on his way back to Backcheck(if we can call it that). I know you have a boner for him but he’s lousy. He’ s back and M ac for some reason gives this dud so much ice that he kills our peskiness. Woohoo way to go Jason, go over to Andy’s house and. Defrost some chicken!

          • Jacques

            And people in the stands we’re making comments that I laughed about because his effort level is hilarious!

          • bluebuyyoo

            I’m sure you are typing something, but all I see is blah, blah, blah.

            You are the coach. What do you do with Spezza and Neil for the rest of the season?

          • Jacques

            I trade their sorry asses. At This point the return doesn’t really matter!

          • bluebuyyoo

            Come on Jacques. You can do better than that.

            What return will you get for Spezza and Neil?

          • Jacques

            Neil for a second round pick,anywhere in the western conference. Spezza and Wiorcioch to Nashville for Legwand and Forsberg. If we have to give a pick SURE!

          • Jacques

            Phillips to Boston for a second rounder. Cowen and Smith to Edmonton for their first pick.

          • Jacques

            MacArthur-TUrris-Ryan
            Conacher-Legwand-Stone
            Michalek-Zibby-Forsberg
            Greening-Grant-Condra

            Methot-Karlsson
            Claessen-Ceci
            Boro-Gryba
            Corvo

          • Jacques

            1st rounder plus 3 seconds for the draft.

          • bluebuyyoo

            So, Neil, Phillips, Spezza, Wiercioch, Cowen, Smith for 1st round, 3 2nds, Legwand and Forsberg. Okay. I know that you feel that these players are total shit, but that return would likely get you fired.

            Sounds like a Muckler deal to me.

          • sprucesens

            he posted cowen and smith for edmontons first

          • bluebuyyoo

            Yes. Corrected.

          • Sensnation

            Jacques is a huge Muckler fan, his daily goal is to recreate those terrible trades!

          • Zelle

            I’ll be very honest. I’m no fan of Cowen but he is better than Gryba.

          • SENSsmile

            Boston only takes good players from Ottawa, so I doubt very much that Phillips is on their radar screen (unfortunately).

          • Sensnation

            Really? Boston’s the number 1 rumor destination for Phillips, not sure if you missed it. You may not like him, but if he’s put on the trade market there are more than a handful of teams that would line up to add him.

          • SENSsmile

            No, you’re right… I’m aware of the rumor. Truth to told, I was venting my frustration over Phillip’s poor play yesterday, but in all fairness he was one of 20 players who played piss-poor. If the team is not in playoff position before the Olympics, then maybe it would be a good time to trade Phillips and get some decent value in return. I would much rather NOT see him go to Boston, honestly…

          • Sandy

            So after you trade all of those players.. who comes in to take their spots? Rookies for Binghamton?
            So you don’t want the Sens to compete for a playoff spot?
            Smith has been a good defensive centre for the Sens.. why would they trade him away? They wouldn’t.. He is liked by the coaching staff & management… sorry he is going nowhere.

    • CUP 2014-15

      It’s one loss!! This same line-up minus Neil for Kass dominated the Habs and Spezz looked great with Stone. Didn’t see much from anyone yesterday so it’s hard to put that one on Spezz. Neil will be needed when the play-offs hit, if we’re still out of it at the deadline, then I could see moving Neil but no way do we move Spezz unless it’s a no brainer of an offer. This team is still young and not far off. Stay the course.

  • PraiseAlfie11

    They dress Kassian, they win. Bench Kassian, they lose. Kassian is their good luck charm.

  • CUP 2014-15

    Rough one yesterday. It looked good for about 5 min. Quick goal from MM, draw a penalty, all looks rosie. Then a crap penalty from Cmac in the offensive zone to kill the PP an unfortunate high stick from Condra and I think that was the last we saw of our Sens game. That just sucked the life out of them. I hope like hell we don’t make the same mistake next year with this afternoon crap. Need the two points on Tuesday V Caps. Go Sens Go

  • thepez

    Burn the tape and forget about it. There are 33 games left, chances are the Sens will lose again. Time for a run again. Shoot for 7 points every 5 games and all will be good.

  • Sandy

    Terrible Sens game yesterday.. Started fine then they got a stupid penalty call. by guess who? Tim Peel.. Then the penalty on Condra.. and it went south after that. No player really looked any good.
    My thoughts on the Van/Calgary game.. Thought it was pretty disgusting. Hartley should be fined for what he did.. same as Rolston was in Buff for John Scott. But will he? Brian Burke has too many contacts in the NHL head office… he probably gets away with it..
    I’m all for a good spontaneous fight.. but those staged ones have to go..
    The Sens/Habs line brawl in last year’s playoffs started because of a slash/spear on Smith so that was a little different. Still a line brawl but not a staged one..
    Brian Burke has to realize the days of the Broad Street Bullies are gone..

  • NickofTime

    Just when we thought the Sens were turning the corner they come up with a terrible performance. That’s the problem with this team you never know which team will show up or not show up. Their inconsistency & constant turnovers by their better players are their biggest problems. It figures that just when they are about to catch the Leafs they come out so flat & lifeless, what’s up with that?

    Karlsson, Spezza, Phillips & Anderson are all killing us with their turnovers & crappy defensive play, we also need our goaltending to start stealing some games for us like they did last yr. It’s time to let Lehner play for a few games to see if he can carry us, Anderson certainly isn’t.

  • Luc Wolfe

    so…. when are we making that first deal?

    • 0 0 1 1 2 3 5 8 13 21 34 55 89

      The day after Melnyk ACTUALLY agrees to spend more money.

  • Sandy

    This upcoming road trip is very important. 4 games total — 3 against teams you are competing with for a playoff spot.. Wash, Car, Columbus. Tampa is the other.. but they are too far ahead for the Sens to catch..
    7 of 8 pts on this trip is another must have..

  • Eugenius

    I think a legit top 4 dman would make a big difference.
    Meth+Karl
    X+Ceci
    Phillips+Cowen

    • SenaTHOR

      How do you figure? Phillips Karlsson Cowen need to get their defensive shit together.

    • runningbear1974

      I vote against playing Philips and Cowen together…

      • Eugenius

        Then Cowen or Phillips would have to go…which isn’t out of the question. Neither of them belong in the top 4.

  • 0 0 1 1 2 3 5 8 13 21 34 55 89

    KT07 now the team’s number ONE center.

    Graph here
    http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Travis-Yost/The-Anatomy-of-Transition/134/57322

    Spinner Spezza fading awayyyyyyyy…….

  • sprucesens

    watched most of the game, but missed the last goal. Not a very good effort by most of the team. Like someone said below, phillips is far and away our worst D. 2 Goals were directly his fault. When you see nash skate behind you, you don’t watch the puck that’s still in the zone. Ceci couldn’t get back and across fast enough to cover up his mistake. Then the terrible drop pass. You NEVER drop pass when you are essentially the last man back. You make sure you have a crisp pass, and are moving the puck forward. Terrible decisions, and its costing us games.

    Karlsson’s play 99/100 isn’t a great idea, but should not end up in the back of the net. With no angle, and simply just enough time to get a shot off before being too deep, a simple butterfly makes that save every time. Anderson has been caught like this so many times this year, its infuriating. As an NHL goalie, you always have to be ready for the puck to come at you. Even if your own team has possession with no forecheckers. Yes you lace into karlsson for not just putting it along the boards as a safer play, but you bench anderson for not being ready for the shot. Making a mistake is one thing that you learn from, being lazy needs reprimand.

    Anyways, its just one game, and with the better efforts of late, I expect the team to put out a solid effort against washington.

  • sprucesens

    also, eklunds rumour chart shows we have 10% chance of landing kane, which i know means absolutely nothing, but it does show that we are showing interest in aquiring him. And eklund is hearing it from sources. Very interesting. I know chirp mentioned talk of andrew ladd as well. Anyone else hearing any kind of rumours involving this? Trade freeze is coming in soon, and i would imagine, if we want a player on our team, we want him earlier than later, so as to get more value, and more time for chemistry to grow. Maybe move and find a home during the olympic break. You have to assume we getting rid of a D or 2 in the coming months. There just isn’t room, and claesson will be pushing hard for a spot next year, as well as boro. Obviously cowen has the most trade value, as other teams will see the same potential we do. I imagine a package of cowen, stone/puemple, 3rd, gets you kane. Essentially 2 1sts and a 3rd. And yes i know stone was a late rounder. Something close to that will be the asking price. But they may prefer an NHL’r like greening over the 3rd.

    • karlssens

      Eklund hasn’t broken a trade on his own in like 7 years.. He’s a scam artist.

      • sprucesens

        i know. not saying its anything reliable, however it is interesting to see that he has posted that we have links to kane. And chirp mentioned ladd. Must be lots of talks and scenario’s being floated around between the 2 teams right now.

        • Luc Wolfe

          no Eklund is reading senschirp and switching names when he write his article.

    • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

      So 10% chance we land Kane…. Hmm not sure if that means it is about to happen or if there is absolutely no chance.

      He is usually 100% wrong

      • Luc Wolfe

        how can you even be 10% chance of getting him…lol

        • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

          Hahaha because he throws arbitrary numbers to make it seem like someone gave him a number….guy is a total clown

          • sprucesens

            yeah, i guess its just how many sources are confirming the interest in said player, and how serious the talks are between the 2 clubs. Realistically, we are one of a few clubs with tons of salary room, that could give picks and prospects that are ready to make the jump. Whereas a team like say pittsburgh or boston would have to subtract from their roster just to fit the 5.25 under the cap

          • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

            I would love nothing more than for us to score Evander Kane…He and B Ryan were who I wanted to go after when we were chasing Nash.

          • sprucesens

            yup, it would be fantastic. Especially if we can keep them all signed for years to come. I think it could put us maybe a top 4 D away from being elite. And its a safe contract to take on. Young, relatively injury free, and cap friendly. Plays the type of game we are looking for, and is a winger we need. We have the assets, and not enough room in our roster to ever fit all of them. I’m ok with basically anyone on bingo outside of claesson, and not lazar or our 1st next year. Everyone else, including stone could be packaged i think.

          • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

            Hell, you throw Kane onto our W, and I honestly am not even against the 2015 1st….it won’t be a lottery pick.

            I figure it would cost roughly the same as Ryan

          • sprucesens

            true, but hard to throw away any chance of us failing completely, and missing out on mcdavid. but agree it likely wouldn’t be our pick. And the cost should be almost identical to ryan. 3 Solid pieces. Stone, Puemple, Greening, 1st for Kane and a 3rd maybe?

          • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

            Pretty much the exact deal I was thinking….Maybe a D for one of Puemple or Stone, as that is by far more Edm need.

          • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

            Maybe Boro(1 way next year), Gryba, one of Stone, Puemple, Greening, Smith(they have been rumored to have interest for a long time) and a first.

          • sprucesens

            if you think of guys like prince, puemple, pageau, robinson, rutkowski, hogberg, da costa, borowiecki, dreidger, stone, dunn and shore…. won’t be able fit many of them in the coming years, and like murray said, he is willing to trade guys that are fighting for nhl playing time. I’d like to think pageau stays simply for business, trying to get some extra fans in the building. The rest of those are likely available in a trade.

  • luckan20

    How about Shirp ??? How good the rumor on Kane ???

    For the loss to Habs or Rangers have nothing got to do not playing Wiercioch, but having him in the lineup won’t hurt.
    I am a fan of Phillips, but he definitely doesn’t fit in the PP. Wiercioch addition to the team helps us in producing points. BM has committed by signing him for 3 years. Why MacLean don’t play him beats me.

    • SenaTHOR

      Inconsistency in d zone.

      • luckan20

        I have heard the same, but it applies to most of our Ds with the exception of Ceci, who has been best, followed by Methot. The rest of the bunch are inconsistent and very careless with the puck in our zone.

        • SenaTHOR

          Its when the other team has the puck.

    • runningbear1974

      Why are you a fan of Philips? What about his game do you enjoy? I’m curious… He’s a nice guy for sure… In my opinion his best games are those you don’t hear much of him… He doesn’t hit hard… Doesn’t make nice plays… Doesn’t anticipate… His strength is his skating and strength makes him able to handle guys like Crosby and Ovechkin … But, he’s slowing down quite a bit, and those guys are getting stronger… I don’t find what he does particularly useful, nor do i find it entertaining… It’s been a long long time that i thought, it’s ok we’re safe Philips has this covered…

  • luckan20

    We have 3 tough road games lined up. Capitals on Tuesday, followed by a big one in Tampa and Canes on Friday. The latter two teams have already beaten us in their barn. We will be playing all 3 again in their vicinity. Tough one and I will like to see Lehner get a shot against the Capitals.

  • runningbear1974

    We started a winning streak when a couple of players were injured… We stopped winning when a couple of players came back from injury… Not saying Cause/Effect relationship, but certainly is strong correlation… Young and learning (maybe you can teach smartness).. But old and slow, and bad decisions… Bad decisions as a veteran…

    • luckan20

      The competence level drops with bad habits. Also, young guys try their best to show case themselves.

      • runningbear1974

        Easier for me to forgive young guys trying weird stuff to find their limits…

  • T K

    What is it about afternoon games that makes them the Sens kryptonite? Cyril Leeder wants more of these weekend daytime games because it allows the team to get national rather than local or regional TV broadcast revenue from Sportsnet or TSN. These daytime games allow the team to break free from the CBC who would rather air Leasts games to the great unwashed masses.

    Players had better start getting their frickin act together because there will be many more next year.

  • MoeDozer

    Ive defended Cowen since day 1, and ill continue doing so. top shutdown Dmen almost never show up to the NHL and perform as expected until they are closer to the age of 30. I do wish he was still in bingo or got more bingo time before coming up.
    I understand we are playing him with EK65 so those 2 can become our future top pair.However, Cowen is not understanding his job in that pair. Someone needs to tell him, EK takes care of the offense while he does the boring/grinding shutdown work covering all of EK’s mistakes.
    This issue is taking away from Cowen’s potential as well as making EK’s job tougher.

    This was something Kuba/Methot did very well playing with Karlsson.

    I dont understand why Methot doesnt play with EK as he compliments him perfectly, however 1 thing i noticed about Methot. When he plays with Karlsson, he’s a great shutdown D. When paired with anyone else, he feels as though he has to do so much more by rushing the puck up him self etc.

    Look at Subban, the season he and the habs struggled, Markov was missing due to injury, Now that he is healthy, Markov just hands the puck to Subban and collects secondary assists.

    • Zelle

      I agree I dislike that Cowen tries to pinch, dangle, outskate the opposition. It’s frustrating because that is Karlsson’s job, not his. He is too slow.

    • runningbear1974

      I enjoy replying on behalf of the coach…

      I believe the problem was that we only had one decent Defensive pairing… That was Karlsson and Methot,..

      Karlsson has been playing crazy random this year… (He can still pull it together, we’ll see)… So, making our one decent Defensive pairing somewhat random…

      We have 2 stabilizing defense: Methot and Ceci… (In my opinion, Gryba will become one too)…

      So, put Methot with Gryba (proven solid last year)… Ceci makes a second solid pairing( doesn’t matter who you pair him with, soak that in, he’s a good one)… Leaving Karlsson to try with Cowen… First time they tried this it failed miserably, but has been getting better…

      Put two crazy wildcards together and see what happens… Karlsson and Cowen…

      Finally I’m not sure i agree with you about Cowen’s role… If Cowen can become a threat that will open things up for Karlsson…

      In my opinion… The problem with Cowen is his processing speed… Things come faster so you react harshly (pass it too hard), He’s uncertain about people reaction times… He watches what just happened rather than moving with the flow… If when he pinches in, he right after immediately goes back to position rather than seeing what happened, would tremendously improve his game…

      Also, Karlsson should adapt to him a little bit… Don’t rush in every single time… Try and be smart about it…

      And finally the answer to your question… Methot was having a bit of an off year (for our standards of him which is almost perfect)… Playing with Karlsson is a lot of work (not fun)… But, playing with Gryba is fun… He’s gets to skate with the puck…

      • Charley Rogers was Elvis

        test

      • sprucesens

        i disagree on a couple of points. Sure it would be great for cowen to become a threat, but he is miles away from ever being the type of guy to out maneuver or toe drag a player to make a play. He plays a simple dump it back in, pass it across, or shoot at the net game. There is nothing wrong with that. However it doesn’t seem like he has the hockey sense to do the right thing at the right time. And more importantly, tries to be like karlsson. As amazing as that would be, that’s not what we need from him. We need someone that we can count on defensively to be ready for a potential 2 on 1, or 2 on 2 with a forward as his other partner. We need him to throw hits and make it hard on opponents when they enter the zone. Other than that, play a simple game. Get the puck out, and keep it in the zone.

        Karlsson is a good enough player to make something out of nothing, almost every time he touches the puck and makes a rush. That’s why he’s so good. Doesn’t matter who he plays with. We certainly should not be asking karlsson to adapt, and tone back his talent, to cope with cowen’s deficiencies.

        Cowen has the potential to be a very solid defenceman if he learns those key things. Be Defense first. Simple passes, and hard shots and harder hits. Make sure no one gets behind you, and play the open man on the 2 on 1, let the goalie take the shooter. Don’t pinch if you just saw karlsson lead the rush, because you know its a forward covering for him. If he can learn to do these things, and do them well, he will be a great defensive defenceman. The mistakes he makes are when he plays outside of those bounds. Being to fancy, and not playing hard on the body. Hopefully the defense coach can drill these ideas into his head.

        Fully agree on your opinion of his play after it happens. He does watch the play to see what happens, rather than anticipate the next move. It often leaves him chasing the play. Most commonly its called hockey IQ, or hockey sense. Hard to teach that. Best thing you can do is teach positional play, and hope he takes the extra step himself. And that goes for any player. He does need time to learn this, and let’s hope he does. There have been better players with higher potential fall drastically, even after having an amazing season in the NHL.(Myers). So lets hope he can pull it together and learn the keys to his type of game, and let karlsson do his thing

  • sprucesens

    a very excellent post from a user on hockeybuzz. Sums up how i feel about spezza, so i shall post it. I know many won’t agree with it, but he says exactly how i feel about the situation. it is fairly long, but is well written, and raises very valid points. here it is: “I’m gonna preface this post by saying that i still think spezza is a very good hockey player……not elite, like he once was, but still very very good.
    that being said, i think spezza being moved is inevitable. his contract is done after next season, and he will no doubt want the same, or higher salary, on a long term “retirement” contract. when you look at this team, considering all factors, there is just NO WAY you can justify doing that.

    1. while opinions may vary on the severity of this teams financial struggles, there is no doubt that it’s not a team that is rolling in dough. over the next 2 seasons, we have a multitude of players to resign, who will all be wanting raises……not the least of which are guys like ryan, lehner, macarthur, zibby, methot, etc. paying spezza 7+ million means that 1 or more of those guys mentioned won’t be back.

    2. there are currently at least 4 NHL calibre centers on this team, not counting spezza. two of them (turris and zibby) are top six NO DOUBT. Both younger, and at this point, better hockey players then jason spezza. on a team that is chalk full of young guys, how can you look them in the eye and say “sorry, even though these guys have hilariously outperformed the veteran, he’s still gonna get the ice time, cuz he’s a vet”. that’s a terrible message to send to a team full of young guys, who’ve been told that they have to earn their ice. and going back to my previous point, you certainly aren’t gonna pay spezza 7+ mil to be a 3rd line center.

    3. I don’t know about the rest of you guys, but it seems to me that spezza and the C on his jersey just don’t mesh very well. I’m the first to admit that in the summer i thought this was a no brainer, but the more i think about it, the more i think it was the wrong decision. for years the sens had a captain, who while not the most vocal guy, lead by his play and attitude on the ice. now i have no idea how spezza is in the room, but as to how he plays on the ice, that’s not the captain i want. on a young team, that relies on speed and transition, spezza seems slow, lethargic, and lazy more often then not. that’s not the guy i want our young team looking to as an example. now granted, he’s coming off an injury, but still, i just don’t see the effort there.

    4. the last sentence of my previous post……..his injuries. this guy has had a slew of injuries, many of which are the “you’re never the same after” variety. knees, backs, hips, etc, these are all the types of injuries that, having only one of them, can change a player. now, when you have a player who’s had ALL OF THEM, to varying degrees of seriousness, well i think that should start to send up some red flags.

    I love spezza, he’s been one of my favorite players for a long time. that being said, as soon as alfi left, i’ve found that my “loyalty” to players has been eclipsed by my loyalty to the team. if getting rid of a player, no matter how big a part of the team he is, helps the team moving forward….then i’m all for it.

    I think spezza can still get a pretty solid return, especially from some of the “bubble teams” in the west, who clearly need an offensive spark to compete in that conference. I think, like i mentioned in my previous post, that teams like calgary, nashville, phx, etc, would pay to get a player like spezza.”

    • SenaTHOR

      I think Spezz would only do a serious cup contender, Anaheim, Boston etc.

      • Mat

        Neither of those teams need him…

    • Mat

      Who ever wrote this forgot Edmonton. Tons of young stars but lacking veteran presence and in dire need of a 2nd C behind RNH (Gagner is not the guy..). The way I see it, RNH and Hall are untouchables but what about Eberle? Many here have discussed a Eberle for Spezza swap as a move that could help both teams. I would add other pieces around this deal to satisfy both sides but as centre pieces, this makes sense.

      I’m not desperate to get rid of Spezza but if we are ever going to fetch a return for his services, it needs to happen now. I doubt he would ever sign for face value (which to me is 4.5ish and then decreasing year after year), so warrants consideration. This is a crucial decision for the TEAM. If he gets the big contract, that could mean au revoir to those younger “better” players. The other hiccup is that Spez has a NTC, so he would have to agree..

      Thanks for re-posting the comment.

      • Richard Gough

        I really feel that Columbus is a team Murray needs to contact regarding Spezza

        I really feel Spezza could get use
        R Johannson
        Dansk
        And maybe a 2nd

        • Phoenix

          Neither of those pieces would be moved. Ottawa also has solid depth in net.

        • Phoenix

          Clb would not move those pieces plus ottawa doesn’t need another goalie prospect.

      • Phoenix

        Spezza and cowen for eberle, nurse was something i would think would help both teams. However I dont see Spezza being moved as long as the sens are in the playoff hunt.

      • Phoenix

        I always thought that a eberle and nurse for spezza and cowen would work for both teams. I dont see Murray moving Spezza as long as the Sens are in a playoff hunt.

    • Richard Gough

      Well said you hit the nail on the head with those commits
      Well done

    • SensChirp

      Hard to argue with any of that although I would dispute the “lazy” thing. Injuries have taken a toll on this guy and he’s just not able to get around the ice the way he used to. Getting the C meant a lot to him and he really wants to show he’s capable of leading this team.

      The part I do not agree with is that there is a team out there ready to give up anything of significant value. His injury issues are known around the league and it’s not the type of deal a team is going to make during the season without knowing just how healthy he is.

      I could see a team exploring it in the off season (Draft maybe?) but Spezza will need to play and play well down the stretch and in the playoffs before anyone even considers giving up assets for him.

  • Andersonfan41

    I hope that the Broncos win the super bowl!
    Also I hate Richard Sherman!
    Also would like to see the 49ers sign
    Browner and Anquan Boldin!
    There is always next year for the
    49ers to get some revenge next
    year!
    Go 49ers Go

    • Jonny

      49′ers got screwed man, how was that not a fumble…Bowman clearly had the ball and broke his leg for it, ouch. Seatlle keeps the ball and scores the go ahead TD…That was brutal.

      • Sens-fan-in-mtl

        except that they didn’t score, and Seattle coughed it up on 4th and 1. Non-event, karma evening things out on the bad call.

        • Jonny

          Oh yeah they didnt score, I was kinda half watching it. Either way, was a terrible call.

      • Dirtysweetness

        Not to mention the other wrong or missed calls. The best one was the supposed head shot to the Seattle receiver.

  • SensChirp

    Perfect day for a ChirpEd entry! No game. Rumour mill quiet. Surely one of you has something you’d like to rant about.

    • Miguel

      hey Chirp, do we send you an email on a topic we would like to discuss?
      thanks

      • SensChirp

        Yup, you email me the article actually. You write a blog post and assuming it’s not full of swear words and makes at least some sense, I post it in the ChirpEd section. Have a look at some of the previous entries to give you an idea.

        • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

          I oddly am almost at a lose for words lately….at least nothing that hasn’t been discussed to death.

        • Miguel

          after enduring that last game, not sure if I can come up with something that would not have any cursing in it :-)

  • SensChirp

    New ChirpEd post up here…

    http://senschirp.ca/chirped/chirped-go/