Kings vs. Senators- Highlights

SensChirp December 14, 2013 108
Kings vs. Senators- Highlights

  • hq8

    i dont trust maclean anymore. whats up with Ryan playing a second more than neil now……

    • Colin

      4th lowest TOI this afternoon. This is not the first time that BR has had low minutes. Quite a few times this year, the Turris, BR, Cmac line had low ice time. Gotta wonder about the bench management. I am pretty sure that Pmac knows quite a bit more about coaching that I do, but if I were him, I’d be flogging Ryan all game long.

  • Dmare085

    Didn’t like the Regehr hit on Zibanejad with seconds left in the game. Really wish Greening would have dropped the gloves with Regehr at that moment. Stand up and support Zibby. Greening has been asleep all year long.

    • NickofTime

      Greening tried but the linesman got in his way & wouldn’t let him go. Once again people only see what they want to see, Greening was one of the few guys working hard & hitting & making plays out there this afternoon, Most of the others were asleep at the wheel. Anderson’s weak effort at the beginning of the game really hurt the team today. I wish people would stop blaming the wrong guys all the time.

  • T K

    Ignore the first five and roughly last eight minutes and you get a fairly entertaining game. Too bad you can’t really forget them….

  • Jacques

    A big trade is coming soon, I can feel it big time!

    • Luc Wolfe

      Trade should of easily came in 1 month ago

      • Jacques

        I agree! It’s like the coaches and all of management have taken this year off or so it seems!

        • Aaron 2.0

          I’m pretty sure managements’ hands are sort of tied due to budgetary restrictions. There’s really not much they can do…

    • Sensturion

      We’ve been saying this for how long now?

    • sprucesens

      the biggest trade we can do is a condra, greening, wiercioch or gryba for a pick to make room for a call up. But nobody really wants them, for a price we are willing to give them up for. maybe we can sell high on greening’s 2nd? most amount of hits this year.

      Another option that has been actively searched for over a year now is trading michalek. Probably gone by the deadline. Not sure on the return. Only other option is a blockbuster deal. And it would have to be a few giant names leaving if that were the case. So my guess is the first scenario. Which will be nice to have some room for young guys to come in.

      Having said that, maclean probably will just bench them anyways

  • SuckitPhaneuf

    Enjoy watching Bobby Ryan this year and next, cause there is no way he will stick around for this gong show when his contract is up.
    How does someone go from coach of the year-to drawing names out of a hat for ice time and line combos. This shit has to stop, and for the love of baby jesus, fire the power play coach!

    • SENSible

      Amen to that. Coaches are a dime a dozen, Bobby Ryans are not.

  • Mat

    Fuck this team. Fuck the coaching staff. You’re going to start seeing more and more incidents in practice if shit continues to unfold like this. And I hope someone clocks Anderson. Fucking piece of shit just can’t start games properly. Costs us 95% of games. Sit his ass down for the rest of the year.

    • Michenator

      relax man! He had played well the few games before that. He deserved the start and had a bad day. No excuse but people do have off days. Unfortunately for goalies it means goals against. I do agree that they should start Lehner for the next 3-5 games and see how he plays.

      • Mat

        He played well against Buffalo, and parts of the other games. He still continuously lets in soft goals right at the start of the game, forcing the team to battle uphill. That’s physically and morally deflating for the players.. I’m sorry but my level of frustration with him this year is as bad is it was with Leclaire and Gerber. What’s worse is we have a competent goalie sitting on the bench.

  • Laurence Babchyuk

    I was at the game and let me tell you that I saw a team stand up to what was a very good club with an incredible forecheck. We came back to one goal and we were really pressing them hard until……. Herrrrrrrreeeeeeeeeee’s spezza !!! Oh boy on that backcheck he was almost walking back toward his man and of course it cost us a goal. Our captain lacks heart. One thing that was impressive was Turris and Mccarthur were always moving with intensity and god that karlsson is smooth as silk ! Anyway, good game but Andy and spezza sunk us. It feels like this team is ready to turn it around

    • CrackAttack

      It was way more Andy than it was Spezza, in my opinion. Had Andy actually made those saves in the first 4 minutes of the game, I think it would have had a different outcome for sure. As much as I’d like to have the world-class goaltending back to carry the team like last year, I’d just settle for routine goaltending at this point! It was embarrassing watching L.A. score on the first shot, and then they started shooting from EVERYWHERE, knowing Anderson was weak. And it was a successful strategy.

      • Mat

        I was proud of Sens fans for cheering the switch for Lehner. Clearly, we’re all thinking the same thing.

  • SensChirp

    I know that I couldn’t do any better but I wish one of the media type in this city would start asking Paul MacLean some hard questions about the allocation of ice time. It’s hard to get a serious answer out of Mac sometimes and he’s likely to drop the infamous “best players play line” but we all know that’s BS.

    There are things happening in the game that make him think it’s a good idea to play Turris/Ryan less than Smith/Neil and I need to know what those things are. Sending your own players a message once and awhile is something a Coach has to do but MacLean has been doing it all friggin’ season. I just wanna know what the “message” is. Like what did he see yesterday that told him it was a good idea to cut back on Ryan’s ice time again? Because on the surface, and without a proper explanation, it looks to me like a coach hurting his team’s chances of winning hockey games.

    • SensChirp

      That’s awfully ranty for a Sunday morning there SensChirp.

      • Jacques

        Would be nice if someone asked the old Capitaine a few tough questions too.

      • Aaron 2.0

        I think it’s spot on though, Chirp. I’m not from Ottawa, so I don’t know exactly how much the media is questioning him on decisions. But, from my vantage point it seems like he’s getting pretty much a free ride w/ the media. The decisions he’s making are bizarre (to say the least). I don’t get why he’s not being questioned regularly about this…

      • sprucesens

        yup, it would be nice, but it might be a 1way ticket out of the media room to keep pressing for a better answer. Maybe his rationale is earn your ice time, i’ll keep playing the 4th liners to show that you need to outwork them. His plan is that they will play harder than they currently are. I think he is just alienating the players though. And it just looks stupid out there, because the top guys are playing well. At least the turris line anyway. I think if i’m Murray, i have a talk with maclean.

        “I didn’t trade 3 solid pieces for you to sit bobby ryan. He’s our leading scorer, and needs to have more ice time. Spezza needs to be pushed to be better, and thats not going to happen with condra on his wing. Zibanejad is not drafted to be a 4th line grinder. Keep him in the top 6, where he is producing at an excellent rate. Stick with line combo’s for more than 1 shift. Give andy some time to get his head on straight.”

        • WaitingSince92

          No matter what the message, Condra on Spezza’s wing simply will not do. I really like Condra too, but nothing good will come of him playing with Spezza – I thought that was obvious even casual fans.

          Agree with everyone’s assessment on Ryan too. Zibanejad, you COULD argue Mac’s being tough on to push him to be great rather than good, but even I’m tired of making that excuse.

          We’ve been trying to force 6 or 7 wingers into a top 6 role in the last couple of seasons, Zibanejad finally looks to be the only one stepping up and he gets relegated to the fourth line.

          I want specific explanations from the coach too, even if my question is “WHAT THE FUCK?!?!?”

      • yannrock

        I used to always trust the stache. But lately, I am unable to trust the coach. Playing Ryan 14 minutes a game while Michalek plays 16. Who has been your better player this year? So the good old ” best player play” is bullshit.

        I got behind that coaching philosophy after his first year with us. He did great at first, but this is not working out. If he starts playing his best players again, I can’t see it not improving our chances every night.

        Also, let’s try not piss off our star players (Karlsson always playing for the other team,Ryan dog kicking comments) If this keeps up,they may not resign with us when the time comes.

    • WaitingSince92

      Even the staunchest MacLean supporters can’t understand his decisions now. I always gave Mac the benefit of the doubt, but it’s getting to be absurd.

    • NickofTime

      Well it was obvious to me that LA was too big, too strong & too tough for some of our smaller weaker players which is why the Smith line got more ice time. While the Turris line is leading our team in pts it was having a very hard time against LAs persistent fore check. IMO that’s one of Ottawa’s big problems is that we have too many smaller & not very strong players with the exception of the Smith line. Spezza is soft as butter, Karlsson, C

      • Sandy

        The Sens have 1 player shorter than 6 ft and that’s Conacher who plays bigger than he is.
        Some other players are not the physical type and it is what it is…

    • SensChirp

      One theory that makes some sense is that Bobby Ryan has been fighting a bit of the flu and that it has been going around the room lately.

    • T K

      Regarding the media, maybe they don’t need to ask the tough questions because they already know the answers. It’s possible that something is going on behind the scenes and for whatever reason, be it personal ethics, maintaining their access, the team’s competitive advantage or simply because they’ve been asked to keep mum, they opt to keep some insider info to themselves.

  • Conans River

    I think it is becoming obvious that Alfie was not only the hardest playing person on the team last year but he also got everybody else to work hard. He was a player, a motivator, and a coach. Should have not low balled this guy.

    • WaitingSince92

      Agreed. I think everyone in the organization knows the truth about this but won’t admit it.

    • NickofTime

      That’s half true, Alfie did work hard at both ends of the ice but Spezza has always been lazy. I have no idea what he is behind closed doors but on the ice the way he plays is much less than inspiring. Obviously the terrible start yesterday was Anderson’s fault but Spezza’s consistent give aways every game costs us goals as well.

  • karlssens

    I wish you were able to trade coaches lol… Coming off a jack Adams we could get a pretty good haul :p!

    • NickofTime

      That happens to a lot of coaches coming off winning the Jack Adams, they always seem to have a crap yr the next yr, some even get fired the next yr. However, I don’t think this is all on the coach, it seems that a lot of players are having pretty crappy yrs so far this yr too. It just doesn’t seem to be Ottawa’s yr with so much going wrong, bad goaltending, shoddy defence & forwards who can’t score when you need them to score. I expect a huge turn around next yr

  • SensFanInMTL

    Lot of angry fans here including myself, and rightfully so. I have no idea what it’s going to take or how many we’re going to lose in order for changes to be made. I calculated something like 48 games remaining with a minimum of of at least 30 to win in order to make the post season. Being able to lose 18 for the rest of the year sounds like something that’ll happen a lot sooner than later with the way our team is playing. The players are a hard working team. Nobody wants to lose at the end of the day obviously and everyone is giving his all. We are getting criticized from the Conacher trade not knowing full well that Bishop was going to have a stand-on-his-head season. Top guys like our new captain and best defenseman are at a constant rate of coughing up the puck and the rest of the team consists of up and coming 1st round stars and 3rd & 4th line grinders. The system they are playing to looks fucked at almost all times and the only person/ persons I blame for this is Melnyk for not wanting to spend money despite making a lot even with empty seats at CTC and the coaching staff who are doing an absolute horrid job at every possible scenario possible. Everything from even strength to the PP. They all need to be relieved of their duties ASAP because we can no longer tolerate their coaching skills and we literally do not have much time left to salvage a spot in the post season because yes, I am still hoping we do. Making the playoffs through all of this adversity would be tremendously amazing. Winning the Cup is not even a thought of, but imagine how we’d look with it? Good say senors.

    • aegiszx

      The way I see it is that last year Dave Cameron’s PP strategy went down the gutter, and that he’s in charge of special teams, not surprise that not only did the PP go down the gutter again this year, but the PK too. Not to mention he has picked the shooters every time in the shootout. There were A LOT of games this year where we needed JUST ONE FRIGGIN PP goal, and the end result would have been very different.

      I dont get what this guy has to do to get fired. We saw it when he bombed at the WJC, and we’re seeing it now. If the guys have lost any trust in anybody, he’s probably up there.

      • SensFanInMTL

        It doesn’t solely fall on his shoulders. Everyone needs to either be examined or let go. Something’s not clicking and as much as we’d like to blame the players, which in some or most cases it is, the staff is just as liable.

        • Mat

          Which begs the question: What the fuck is Murray doing??

          • aegiszx

            It’s been speculated before but Eugene has ultimate say in all things… I kid you not, should Murray even suggest to fire Eugene’s buddy “Dave”, that conversation would end pretty quickly.

  • Michenator

    Although Ceci was a -3 yesterday he played with some spunk and I hope somehow they’ll keep him up for a couple more! I doubt it though with Cowen back and Methot being rid of his illness.

    • luckan20

      The first two goals were simple blunder by Anderson. Its unfortunate Ceci has to get the -2 for his mishandling the puck. Lehner 1st goal was again a poor net minding. He played outstanding game against the Sabers and also played solid against the Kings. 3 bad goals let in by goalies, Speeza poor back check led to number 4 and other was on PP.

    • SensChirp

      Pairings at practice may hint at Ceci staying in the line up. Both Phillips and Corvo were absent but will likely play and be paired together. Methot was with Karlsson while Ceci was paired with Cowen.

      • luckan20

        Most likely he will be sent or both Wiercioch and Gryba are sitting. Paul MacLean choices of players to dress sucks. In my opinion, Wiercioch had a good week with 2 PP goals and couple of assists too. I will honestly sit Phillips for a game.

        • sprucesens

          yeah, but the coach won’t. I think Ceci has earned more time. But he likely won’t get it. 1 or 2 more games max, even if he is the best player on the ice. Thats how our decisions have been this year. Demote or don’t play your best players, and send them to the AHL if at all possible. Smart move would be to let him play with us this year, to start building chemistry with cowen so next year, they can be a dominant second pairing. He certainly isn’t worse than what we currently have out there most nights. That leaves Wiercioch, gryba, phillips, boro, and maybe corvo fighting for the 3rd pairing this year and next.

      • sprucesens

        thats probably close to how i’d draw up pairings for a few years. Only the bottom pair could be a whole bunch of different combo’s. I think the best 3 long term answers are PW, Borowiecki, Claesson. Add gryba if he manages to actually earn some ice time, which does’t seem likely any more. Phillips will occupy a spot until he retires though

  • runningbear1974

    My vote is trade our veterans: Spezza, Phillips, Neil.. And lets get ready for our new team… Out with the old… In with the new…

    • yannrock

      I would never trade Spezza. This is his first season as our new captain. He has a new role on this team now. Let’s give him some time to get used to it and I am sure he will turn out fine. He is one of the best players the Senators have ever had. He is too good to trade.

      • sprucesens

        …gretzky was traded….

        What if winnipeg called and offered you kane and a top pick? what if edmonton called and offered you eberle +? Never is a strong word. While he certainly is the most talented forward our team has had, it doesn’t mean he is untouchable. Especially when the business side comes into play. PPG means BIG money, regardless of how hard he actually plays. Add to that, they gave him the C. Thats more money again. Add to that his injury proneness, and poor effort so far this year, he might not be the biggest bang for the buck, regardless of how our hearts are attached to our players.

        From a business perspective, trading spezza now makes a lot of sense. He has big value, and his stats are still there, regardless of his effort level. He would fetch 3 large pieces similar to Ryan did. And being that we are in a rebuild, its murray’s biggest decision now. Build around spezza, or finish the entire overhaul, and get 3 big pieces coming back. And i imagine alfie leaving threw a massive wrench into the plans. Not to mention the abysmal start this year.

        If the return is big, i would fully support trading spezza. But on the other side, if he plans to stick around, its going to be a big chunk of money, and likely long term. That’s a lot of ?? for an injury prone PPG player. If he was like a 4-5 mill player, it’d happen no problem. But i can see management iffy to commit to a 30 year old player next year if he wants 8mill plus for 7-8 years.

        • Sandy

          Who will be the #1 centre if Spezza is traded? Turris?
          How many on here were trashing him last season because he could not fill that role as he could not score goals?

          • Jacques

            TUrris is the number one center already in so many ways!

          • Roar…

            I think Turris has already proven he can do the job. Zibanejad will become the #2 or even #1 within a few years. It’s whether you want a point producer like Spezza in the leading role or whether you want to have a Bergeron-Krejci model down the middle. I think the latter provides a better opportunity to win championships to be honest.

          • runningbear1974

            You want centres that protect the centre of the ice… It makes the goalies look good…

          • sprucesens

            i don’t think many were trashing turris who was our points leader, in his first full season in the nhl. Yes he was thrust higher than we wanted, but he got us to the playoffs with very little scoring help. Add to that he has now made huge strides in his confidence, and play. He is basically already playing as the 1C this year.

        • yannrock

          I somewhat agree with you. But still would like Spezza to stay in Ottawa for the long haul.

          Karlsson and him should be the face of the franchise from now on. Just my opinion.

          But I see your point. If a superstar wanted to come to Ottawa and the only way was to trade Spezza then maybe.

          But lately I have a feeling that either him or Ryan will not be resigning with the Sens if they don’t improve soon.

          That’s a lot of money on the line. And since the Sens are poor. One of them may have to go. If that is the case I would keep Ryan over Spezza for sure

      • runningbear1974

        I found it really easy to cheer for the team last year when Spezza was injured… I loved the way Turris and Zibanejad controlled the centre of the ice…I found the games exciting to watch…

      • runningbear1974

        Alfie has great work ethic in the gym and on the ice… So, having Alfie as captain was promoting work ethics… Spezza has great skill… So, having Spezza as captain is promotion great skill…

    • SensChirp

      This is a pretty awful idea.

      • Luc Wolfe

        i remember fans wanted to trade Alfie when he started to wear the c the first 2 season, and look what he has become after that. I wouldn’t trade Spezza or Neil, Phillips has to take a pay cut and should become a 6th dman, if not then well go to detroit?

  • NickofTime

    More like lowlights. How is the baby Chirp? You guys getting any sleep?

    Another brutal performance from Anderson who put us behind early in one of the worse goaltending performances I have seen in Ottawa since Lalime let in the dreadful goal against Joe Nieuwendyk. What the hell is wrong with this team? Some nights everything.

    They can’t seem to get anything right at least not all at once or all together. The coaches are making some lame brain decisions, the goal scorers can’t score when we need them to score, the defence make too many mistakes & the goaltenders can’t stop pucks any more. I can’t remember so many players & managers making so many mistakes before game in & game out. Maybe it’s just one of those yrs where nothing goes right & next yr they come back & everything falls anything place for them … maybe, then again maybe not. BTW Love Chris Neil & don’t begrudge him one second of ice time, he works hard every second of every shift & I think PM would like to see the rest of his team do the same.

    • SensChirp

      Actually not too bad! She’s starting to settle into a pretty good night time routine. Sure hope I didn’t just jinx it.

  • luckan20

    It is going to be a tough game against the Blues. They are a much quicker team than Kings and also willing to throw their body front of the puck. We need better plan against the Blues.

    • sprucesens

      personally i hope the blues absolutely dominate us. Something drastic has to happen to force this team to make a move. I thought all of our previous losses would have been enough, but apparently not. I think it was 2 years ago, we took a 7-0 shellacking, and turned the season around. Course we also traded for turris soon after that

  • sprucesens

    on a side note, 4 out of like 10 stories on tsn right now are all about suspensions. I’m all for discipline, but i don’t think players are getting the message. Time to start hitting them in the $$. Like massive amounts. And make the teams accountable. You have a player suspended? His money doesn’t go on any injury reserve, and you are down a player on your roster for the amount of time suspended. And the team get’s fined big money as well. 50k first offense. Go up from there. Make owners and Gm’s not want to sign the john scott’s, frazer maclarens, matt kassians, cooke’s and so on to just go out and injure people, or be there simply to fight.

    Probably don’t need all of the penalties above, but something needs to be improved. Players and teams aren’t getting the message. The NHL is 1 good concussion away from losing a guy like crosby, the most talented player to hit the ice since gretzky, and yet guys just keep doing it. On all teams. The league needs to find something that actually causes players to respect each other a little bit. And deter team’s from signing goons in the first place.

  • sprucesens

    wow, just looked at the oilers contracts. Ference is the only player they have signed for next year currently on D. NO goalies either. And 6 forwards are ufa or rfa next year also. How the hell are they running that team?

    • Millennium

      They’ve put all their eggs in the flashy over-the-top goal-scoring basket, while ignoring all the other parts of the team that are needed to be successful. That’s why they continue to be terrible after a string of first overall picks.

      They will likely throw money at terrible players to get bodies on the blueline, and nothing much will change.

      • sprucesens

        yeah, i’ve never seen so many contracts up in 1 year. And having only 1 person signed from the blue line back? Thats just crazy! Granted, i wouldn’t be re-signing any of their D aside from J schultz, either, or either goalie.

  • iKarly65

    Don’t worry about trading Spezza – he might very well leave. Same with Ryan. Sens are putting themselves into familiar territory here, with a Heatley 2.0 saga with Ryan. Star player, diminished ice time. Ryan’s play isn’t even deserving of reduced time. It’s baffling.

    • sprucesens

      if he wanted to leave, wouldn’t that be the biggest reason to trade him?

      • iKarly65

        except that teams don’t always know what the player’s intentions are. Ex. Suter. Parise, Alfredsson

  • Roar…

    I think the franchise in Ottawa is at a very interesting and perhaps pivotal point. We missed the opportunity last year to move Andy while his value was ridiculous. Although he may bounce back we probably would have been just fine rolling with Bishop & Lehner. Interestingly enough I talked a lot last year about the move potentially being to trade Andy – in the end I came down against it, but just barely. Like a 51/49 decision, mostly because of how that might affect the room. Difficult to trade the best and most consistent goaltender we’ve had in a very long time. Even more difficult when the guys replacing him have less than 100 games combined NHL experience. It was a gamble I, and the organization I suppose wasn’t willing to make. Hindsight is 20/20 and maybe we all should have realized his good ride wouldn’t last forever.

  • Roar…

    In terms of a Spezza deal we’re at the same crossroads. Can we make Ryan stay if we trade him? Can we get back a 22-25 year old 60 point winger who is good at both ends of the ice and a 1st rounder as the return? If we can I say that’s the deal you do. It would balance out the team very nicely. A strong possession driving winger with good offense. The issue is really would anyone give us that for Spezza? Maybe, maybe not. Hard to say. Ideal guy would be Kane of course but who knows if he’s available. I think he would fit with what we have going on like a glove.

    • SenaTHOR

      Teams will trade for a skilled player but a skilled lazy player has a lot less value. The awe piss on the back check attitude is not doing this team good in any way in terms of results and player trade values.

      • Jacques

        Very true, is there a team out there. That hasn’t been paying attention to his play, I sure hope so.

    • Jacques

      Ryan doesn’t even want to play with Spezza, nobody can figure out Spezza on the ice this year! TUrris and Ryan get along great, Spezza would be traded for a couple of hard working assets and everyone would be fine!

  • Yukon Cornelius

    Melnyk needs to sell this team. Plain and simple.

    Ottawa historically hasn’t been super alluring to free agents. Its in between two legendary hockey cities, and lacks their cosmopolitan glitz. Its close to the US where taxes are less and players don’t have to live under a microscope. I really thought this bad rep was changing. A Jack Adams winning coach, a GM with a great hockey mind, a budding superstar in Karl, a strong core lead by Alfie. But this season has put all of that in doubt.

    Melnyk needs to shit or get off the pot. He will never have another talent like Karlsson. Let alone the other amounts of talent this team has. Ottawa’s time is near. But the cap is continuously rising, projected to $71 million next season or the season after. Super stars are going to be signing contracts in tens of millions very soon and we are in a division filled with teams who have deep enough pockets to do. The internal budget impairs the team from being competitive, and once the competitiveness goes so will the talent.

    Let’s all hope the Ghosts of Christmas Past, Present and Future visit ol’ Euge and he changes his game plan…

    • Sandy

      Completely agree… If the Sens can’t spend to stay competitive in a tough division.. then the playoffs will always be out of reach..

    • Luc Wolfe

      i hope melnyk slips and fall, gets concussed and the only after effect will be spending close to the cap. and has no say to bring players over here… like kovalev.

    • Yukon Cornelius

      Chirp, I would also like to apologize for cursing.

      I’m picturing the Ghost of Christmas Past showing him the team in ’07, the Present showing him Ryan being upset over cut ice time and finally the daunting Ghost of Christmas Future showing him the darkest possible timeline…

      Karlsson in a Leafs’ jersey.

  • Sandy

    Detroit got shutout today.
    Florida is leading Mtl 2-0?????
    LA is down 3-0 to Chicago after the first period…

  • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

    After looking at the stats etc today I honestly and it pains me to say this….but starting asking myself a lot of what ifs.

    What if Ryan leaves….
    We lose Spezza for nothing….
    We don’t resign Macarthur…
    We resign Michalek…

    There have already been enough gaffs the last little bit…..The way Alfie was handled….moving Bishop for Conacher….not moving Anderson when he was undoubtedly at his absolute highest value.

    I have been fairly apologetic for Melnyk for a while now….saying maybe they are trying to save space for our upcoming UFAs to sign/young guys getting raises/maybe signing another UFA….but it is becoming increasingly more and more difficult to do this. Between Maclean coaching like he has been out partying with Rob Ford….LETS TRY THIS LINE….Wait noooo nooo guys come off lets try this line…..HEY WAIT You Bobby Ryan, you come off and go on the fourth line and play the fourth lowest minutes on the team….because you know you aren’t our leading fucking scorer on the team….Hey did someone say LINES!!! and Melnyk obviously being financially strapped for whatever reason you want to believe. I honestly was speculating if I could even deal with another complete and utter farce of an off season.

    I really truly hope something is done to right this ship….I haven’t questioned my allegiance to the Sens since the day it was announced that we were getting a team….but today, it happened.

    • Sandy

      Hindsight is great… isn’t it?

      • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

        It is….but I said MANY times last season that we should run with the two young goalies….so Not trying to look at it in a time machine saying I would have done better after already knowing the results.

        • Sandy

          It would have been the right move NOW… But the idea was Andy won a lot of games last season that this team had no business winning.. The difference between then and now is the goaltending has not been winning the games they did last season… therefore the Sens are where they are in the standings… That and inconsistency…

  • Roar…

    I think most of us want Melnyk gone at this point. In terms of Spezza deal I think realistically…

    Voracek or Simmonds + 1st Rounder (if Philly has one?) for Spezza
    Well, that or Couturier + the 1st. The sens were quite high on him.

    That would balance out both teams. All 3 of those guys have roughly the same production. It’s hard to say if they would do either of those deals though.

    The real difficulty I suppose it has to be a money for money deal…

    So maybe the same deal but instead of a 1st it’s Read and whatever cap dump for Spezza + Conacher or something. It actually feels like there is a deal to be made there that helps both teams. Now and in the future.

    Edit: Ottawa could also retain some of the salary of course, maybe even a large portion to make the deal work. Then the cap goes up and Philly will have room to re-sign him if they want to.

    • Sandy

      Why would the Flyers want Spezza when they have Giroux?

      • Roar…

        Giroux has played the wing in the past. Hasn’t played that well this year.

        • Sandy

          Well…. leads his team in points.
          Yeah he had a rough start due to the hand injury… but he is an elite player.

          • sprucesens

            yeah, i don’t see a fit in philly.

  • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

    Where has this Spezza trade talk stemmed from? Is there any actual merit to it or is it just fans spewing typical crap about moving him?

    • Sandy

      Fans spewing typical crap about moving him…. It’s the same every season.

      So the Sens want to roll for lines to even out playing time. In a condensed schedule with some of the key players in the Olympics.. it’s not such a bad idea.

      The proper combination of lines have not yet been found.. but maybe that is why the shuffle of players that most of you do not like.

      • Roar…

        Actually I’ve been one of Spezza’s strongest supporting fans. I just think he’s at the age now (30-31) where Ottawa has to make a choice. Commit to that next big contract or move him. If you move him a two-way winger who can play 200 feet (with size and scoring touch) would be ideal. Turris & Zibanejad as a 1-2 sounds fine to me. He can just as easily stay. I just think the franchise is at a crossroads. There is nothing wrong with Spezza as a hockey player, but I’m a realist. He’s not going to outscore Crosby in a series. So if that’s the way we’re going to play when we face those teams (and we will) then we’re likely to lose. The Boston & Chicago mold (Bergeron & Toews) 70 unspectaular points and great defense – looks better to me. It looks like you have a better chance to win.

        He also has back issues that are unlikely to go away. Do you want to commit when you don’t know what player he’ll be 3 years from now? There are more questions than answers with what to do about him at this point. He’s a great player, but is he the right one for this team going forward? I know its not easy to think about, but hard questions need to be asked. I’m happy if he stays or if he goes. Its what do you want the makeup of this team to look like.

    • runningbear1974

      It’s really hard coaching with Spezza… It’s really hard finding linemates for Spezza… He’s not easy to manage for some reason…

  • aegiszx

    You want to know why this city is a goalie graveyard? Just read the comments here after each game.

    Tim Thomas was awful in 09 and then Rask took his job for the year… he came back in 10′ and won the Cup for the Bruins. I’m not sayin Andy is goin to do that, but if you give up on your goalies that quickly, why would anyone want to come here, or stay here? You think Robin is going to be stellar year in and year out? Robin is goin to be a franchise goalie one day, but boy, I sincerely hope he’s ready for it because if I were him, I would definitely NOT want to be a goalie in a Canadian market where every mistake is magnified.

    • Roar…

      It can be argued that everywhere is a goalie graveyard. I think Anderson lost a lot of confidence when he got shelled by the Pens. Maybe he gets the mojo back, maybe he doesn’t. His numbers were always going to regress a bit. Truthfully most NHL goaltenders only ever have 2-3 great years (if that many). It is what it is. They’re good for short periods of time and the rest of the time you hope they tow the league average and at least don’t cost you games.

      Edit: Goaltenders also generally always look good in a defensive minded system (Ottawa when all our players were hurt), Boston, NYR for a long time before the coaching change. And poorer in an offense first situation (Washington for a number of years, the Penguins) etc. Coaching system has a big effect on goaltender numbers. For better or worse.

  • Sandy

    So if Methot is ready to come back.. and they keep Ceci… who comes out.. Gryba & Cowen or Gryba & Corvo.
    The Blues are a physical team… need hitters on the back end..

    • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

      Have they put the paperwork to keep Ceci up if Methot is back?

      • MikeS

        Ya, looks like they will play with karlsson/cowen, phillips/ceci, methot/gryba

  • sprucesens

    eklund reports a dman likely moving out of NY rangers. Likely Del Zotto, one would think. Should be interesting to see where he lands, especially if its us

  • MethotToMyMadness

    So much talk about Bobby Ryan’s ice time. Come on people, he’s playing in key situations, but when you are not on the offensive, which Bobby needs to be, you’re ice time doesn’t reflect it. If we can get out of our zone, Ryan’s ice time will increase.

    Same goes with guys like Turris, Zibanejad, etc. BR had 14:38 against LA with 21 shifts. Turris only had 15:09, 20 shifts and Zbad 14:41 with 21 shifts. In the end, there are plenty of guys who may seem to be getting the shaft, but if you look at the style of play PMac was going for, guys like Smith, MacArthur, Greening, got more because of the style of play they were showing.

    Spezza also had more, but he’s our #1 C so that’s going to happen. I think we see a big increase in Smith these days because of how well he’s doing on the face-off. He’s starting most defensive zone face-off’s and he’s winning them, so he’s going to get that start all the time, then shift right away.

    Tonight will be a hard one against St Louis. I would love nothing more than to see a major offensive outburst by the Sens. No doubt we’ll see a better game, cause the Sens seem to play better against the tougher competition.

  • MikeS

    Looks like ceci just made the team, D-pairings from morning skate are Cowen/Karlsson, Phillips/Ceci, Gryba/Methot

    • Hax

      You guys should have learned by now not to try and predict what MacLean will do by the morning skate.

      If Methot is ready to go they’ll just juggle the pairings. Not saying Ceci won’t stay up but I’d be surprised. Kid is going to be a stud and should be proud of his first game (not so much his second) but he needs more time.

      • MikeS

        However why is he still up if hes not going to play?

        • Hax

          No point in sending him down until Methot is 100% confirmed ready to play. Doesn’t hurt for him to get another practice in either.

  • MethotToMyMadness

    Wow, just reading all the trade talk. Would Ottawa trade Spezza? Will Ryan stay? Etc, etc, etc.

    Like most of you, I am a Spezza fan through and through. I hate the thought of a Superstar leaving this organization, especially a point per game guy, for nothing. I’m no GM, but if I had to make decisions and knowing where Spezza is now and where he’ll be in 3-4 years, if you want to trade and get value for a continued budget team on what looks like a continued rebuild or revamp, then the time would be now. But there is NO F’ing way I’d undersell such a valued commodity.

    There are very few C’s in the league, or players for that matter, who match up point wise to what Jason has done. It’s been said time and time again, these types of players are a dime a dozen. The power is in Ottawa’s hands, if they want to explore that option. All I can say is we’d better be getting back a 1st or 2 of them, along with a very talented top 6 forward and maybe something else. Obviously someone else would be added in the package to match salaries, etc. Spezza is a franchise player, and on many of the other teams in the NHL, he would be that go to guy. Just think of teams like Nashville, Jersey, Columbus, Winnipeg, Calgary and Phoenix who have been fighting each year because they don’t have a guy like Spezza.

    Personally, I say keep him. But if you have to from a franchise perspective, then don’t screw it up.

  • Miguel

    I have just about had it with PMac
    - pulling a goalie after 3 wins and player of the week… questionable
    - pulling your #1 after a big win in FLA… strange
    - playing CP4 and Neil on you PP… wrong
    - playing Condra wtih Spezza… bewildering
    - playing CP4 more than a Norris winner EK… plain stupid
    - playing Neil more than Turris Ryan… fukin abnoxious
    These decisions cannot be justified,
    BUT PMac has the right to make these stupid calls b/c he is the coach
    I have the right not to watch this shit anymore, until he explains these idiotic decisions!

  • hq8

    quite frankly, i dont think sens management and coaching is interested in winning regular season games anymore, and the players are following.
    there is no structure to anything anymore. all kinds of line combo decisions. chaos feeds chaos. inconsistency feeds inconsistency. lack of structure only leads to more lack of structure. lack of organization leads to more disorganization.
    Paul Maclean, for all his Jack Adams glory, is all of the above.
    you dont need to be an avid tuned in knowledgeable hockey viewer/fan to see the above trends in sens games.
    I think its time Maclean starts taking the blame for what has been a supremely embarassing Senators team this season.
    no one can deny that the paper roster available to the sens is capable of >0.5 hockey. yet they have consistently managed to swim below 0.5 hockey since game 3 of the season. i blame the coach and i also blame BM.