Let’s keep the ball rolling… Heck even if we don’t make the playoffs it’s showing PMac and BMurr that our kids are hungry and if we had used them more we would probably be in a playoff position right now…
I hope next season somehow Phillips is not back, neither is Greening, Neil, Condra, Kassian, Michalek and Gryba and they are replaced by youth! The Bingo kids all want to prove that they belong in the NHL and play their hearts out every night. Stone, Da Costa, Prince, Pumpel, Hoffman, Classen, Boro are the guys we should be using in our bottom pairings and lines to give us energy… They all play like it could be their last game…
Also happy for Weircioch last night
Gryba not back? He played very well and is +12 (best of D) this Season. He is the only guy that clear the crease, dont make dumb turnovers and playes it simple!
I thought Gryba played a solid game last night. Got victimized by the ref on the one penalty, but otherwise a good game.
Same with Michalek… I understand everyone’s hate, but he’s made a full turnaround since Hemsky arrived.
Bring back both of Milo and Hemsky, Spezza’s line mates for the next 2-5 years; czech and czech
I knew people would be fooled by Michalek’s late season push, I for one am not. Games mean nothing and he shows up, we need to move on from him as we wont be able to sign both Hemsky and MM9 and I would prefer AH83 over MM9 in a heartbeat!
I don’t trust any of the young guys to put up 30 goals, I do think Milo can do it again though. I’d want him signed at least 2 years until Stone or Hoffman reach that level.
absolutely. bring both these players back…hemsky will stay to play with spezza. our top line has been completely different with the arrival of hemsky.
I think we have 8 D men on one way contracts next year… this includes Gryba should we choose to resign him
Something has to happen… Personally I’d like to keep Cowen and Weircioch and obviously Karlsson… Methot I’d keep unless there is an offer that we can’t refuse… And, I’d want to get another guy that can eat minutes like Cambell, Ehrhoff, Edler or trade for another prospect that maybe has had a rough start (a la Turris deal) for someone like Larsson or Gudbranson)
The Phillips deal still blows my mind…
Those are 2 good options. There’s also Joe Morrow in Boston. He’s playing in the minors, but there’s no room for him on the NHL team.
Gryba easily the best trustworthy D on the team. They should never even consider moving him. He looks mean with his beard..lmao..
Our best penalty killer as well, not even close. and yes the Beard is a necessity I think as he has opened a duck call company in Ottawa called Capital Waterfowling, looks like he wants to stay.
Capital Waterfowling sounds like a really extreme niche porn site
i’m not sure what it is, but I’m scared to google it at work
Phillips and Neil are not going anywhere and you know it. As far as Michalek, if they can get the right deal, I would keep him for another 3 seasons. As far as Condra, Kassian, I agree, they can be replaced. I don’t mind the play of Gryba as a 5-6 D. We need to sign Hemsky before he hit the free agent market. Thie guy is worth the price of the ticket.
I know that Phillips and Neil are not going anywhere…
The Sens have been talking so much about their prospects and saying the cupboards are now ful etc etc etc…
Well guess what, we need to play these guys in the NHL to see what they can do! Whenever the kids come up they pretty much always carry their weight and more. If we sign Michalek for 3 years that takes the spot away of a cheap and young player like Pumpel or Stone that plays win.
I am just saying what is the point of the rebuild that we did if we aren’t going to use any of the building blocks we have for our foundation? We only use them to plug holes…
LW is weak right now, don’t know about putting it in the hands of youth just yet. None of them have EARNED it.
Remember that PM comes form the Red Wing org and they are mastering patience with the rookies and they get great results. A rookie can look good for a couple of games, but not many of them can make an impact with an NHL teams before they are 22-24. We can tell now that Stone is ready now at 22 and Hoffman at 25.
Patience is exactly right! I don’t want to be like Edmonton where they are rushing 18-19 year olds in the NHL to get injured every season and not have a chance to mature on and off the ice.
Ya no kidding, IF we dont re-sign Hemsky I will seriously think about cancelling my tix…FU Melnyk!
Hemsky wants the most he can, get on the best team he can get, in the best city he can get. Hate to tell you to cancel your tix because he is a rental.
Why be half-assed about it?! What about icing a top 9 that was ALL rookies?
it was perfect… until Gryba. He is a stud for only his first full year in the NHL
Mahoud? You around?
We were some of the few optimistic ones around… you still have the fat lady locked in the padded room in your basement?!?
Had a moment last night where I was just blown away by the amount of talent the Senators have that’s under the age of 24 and now at the NHL level. A lot of doom and gloom around the team this year but with a young core in place, this team is going to be competitive for a long time.
Turris, Stone, Hoffman, Pageau, Zibanejad, Karlsson, Wiercioch, Ceci, Cowen, Lehner.
Don’t forget Da Costa, Prince, Pumpel and goalies like Hodgberg and the guy in the Q
I think the point was “at the NHL level”. but good point and then theres rockstar Lazaaaaar
None of those guys matter if the Sens are still employing a system that revolves around Spezza being able to do what he wants – which includes a 100 foot game. The players see that and tension and losses mount.
Agree it’s easy to be disheartened by the short term, but long term it looks really good. That’s why I’m not upset with Maclean making controversial moves to keep the top guys in line.
Phillips announced his retirement at the end of this season. Apparently his teammates have not responded well to his extension. Melnyk has his lawyers trying to determine if they can void the contract since it doesn’t kick in until July 1st.
Remember when the Senators were signing Sloof Lirpa a few years back?
I remember and I was taken.
This is a bit too obvious… nice try though
It’s just so cruel, because it’s what we all want!
wow Hax, that is so unlike you!
you are the biggest supporter and the most optimistic, I cant believe you would tease me like this… when I first read it, I thought, this is amazing, especially as it is coming from the Hax it must be true
I just got it! Happy April Fools to you too Hax
I recall having this debate early on in the season, when many of us were questioning some of PM’s very questionable decisions regarding lineups, and who he was sitting, and many were saying “its only one game” and “PM is making a statement” etc.
And I was saying that you should always make sure you start your best lineup up b/c those couple of points here or there may be the difference between makiing the playoffs and missing.
How important is it now tha PM make those statements.
I am sure we can all think of a couple but here are some:
Lehner wins player of the week with 3 wins and he goes with Andy.
Andy was on a roll and PM decides to go wtih Lehner
Sits our best D Methot for a few games to make a statement
Keeps playing Phillip/Cowens in top 4 mins when they should have been sat for better players.
Plays our 3-4th lines more mins than our top lines.
These are just a couple of decisions he has made where we could have easily mustered a few more points and be sitting in a playoff position instead of, out of it, with huge mountain to climb. Those 4 extra points would be huge right now, No?
I’ve been as tough on the coach as anyone. I agree w/ you MacLean has done some weird things this year. It’s easy to speculate that some of those decisions could of cost us points. How about the going with the same shooters in the SO when they were having no success as another one? We could also say not having Zibanejad here for so many games may have had an impact. Essentially all of our best players weren’t playing, presumably to save a a few dollars. But, at the same time, the players need to own this, IMO. Only 4 points back (maybe 6 depending on what Columbus does tonight). You can just as easily go through 10 games where the players just didn’t get it done. The western road trip being the most painful example in recent memory. But, hey, at least they didn’t mail it in. You never know.
I don’t buy that Zibanejad wasn’t playing to save a few dollars. Wasn’t there a lot of chatter about the organisation be;lieving his head wasn’t on straight after a few too many party nights.
Of course there will be those that consider that just a cover up, but there’s not much you can do about that.
And whilst there absolutely have been some questionable decisions and hunch riding (as there was last season but nobody cared because we were winning) I agree that this is more on the players than the coach. We all know there have been more than one occasion when the players just haven’t performed close to an acceptable level.
yes the players certainly own most of it, however there is no doubt that at least 4-6 points were squarely on PM very controversial decisions, and that just may be the difference between being in or out.
There is absolutely doubt about the points because as The Dude says, that’s just like, your opinion man.
His sitting of Methot, whilst it may have cost us some points at the time, was just the kick in the arse that the player needed to reset his season. Without that embarrassment Methot would easily have drifted. Thankfully the show of discipline straightened out Methot and the other players who look up toplayers like him for guidance. That saved the team at least 4-6 points.
That’s the other nonsensical side of your empty claim.
You need to play your top defensive players against other teams top lines. Its the way it has always been done unless you have a team of two way players. Do you think that the other team isn’t going to play their top players because you don’t want to play your defensive guys as much? Your top shutdown guys are always going to be 20-22 min especially at home where you get last change.
therein lies the problem, Cowen and Phillips are by far not our best defensemen and are playing agains their top lines, who are having a feild day in our zone when those two are out there. They should at best be our 6th d-men, and never should both of them be in the lineup at the same time… IMO
Are you seriously still complaining about Cowen? Watch a friggin game without your anti-Cowen glasses for once. He’s been one of our best defenders this 2nd half!
Statements are important in the long term with young guys, plain and simple.
at the expense of making the playoffs???
not sure that would be fine with everyone…. which may explain BM comments on PM.
If it means missing the playoffs this year where winning the Cup is unlikely to be a stronger unit next season where they could have more of an impact, yes. Say what you want about Maclean’s decisions but the guys weren’t playing like we know they could for most of the season. It takes time to build a team. It’s a business. Everyone needs to do their job and to follow the plan. If discipline was lacking in the more skilled guys, you have to reign that in now while they are young.
But you are only focusing on the decisions made that, in your estimation, cost us points.
What about all the games that we won, surely MacLean’s decisions must have factored in those as well. Presumably with different decisions (some of which you would have agreed with) we would have lost some of those games.
The fact is the sum of all decisions made have got us where we are. If you want to only cherry pick games that we lost and say “if only” be my guest, but you are ignoring a whole bunch of stuff when you do that.
I wonder what’s the latest with Maidens? I think that’s how it’s spelled. He was a highly touted prospect of ours but has already suffered two concussions at the age of 20.. Does anyone know more about him?
If he’s healthy enough to play in the AHL Next year, expect big things from this guy. Would have been in the first round if it weren’t for his concussion issues.
Could not agree more, he plays hardnosed with a ton of skill. Sens were in a great position to grab him in the 3rd and take a chance. They already had taken, ZBad, Nosen, Pumple and Prince so it was a good time to take the gamble.
Considering his injury history, I believe its safe to not expect much of this kid. If he keeps playing the way he does, he’ll just get injured again and I dont see him changing his game anytime soon.
You do all realize Maidens is barely able to function and most likely will never play hockey again. He was on track coming back a while ago and then as soon as the games started he immediately had symptoms again. He’s lost 3 years of being involved in sport. That’s more or less insurmountable. It would be a miracle of he even plays AHL hockey in his lifetime.
I don’t think we will ever see him but I still think it was a good risk pick at the time. Feel for the kid, he was ticketed to go as a 1st rounder before the concussion.
This was the most recent update on him. So it’s at something like 900 days between competitive games now.
I remember that article. Wish the young man the best, but you cant screw with head injuries, so like you and I he is going to be a 9-5 guy unless he has a comeback for the ages and gets here in three or four years. Such a shame, sooooo much talent.
Iron (Jerrod) Maidens was still not playing last time I checked a few months back.
Based on what I think is his twitter feed, it does not look great for him: “just trying to feel 100% again”.
Damn PW46, where you been all season…..oh right…imagine if PW46 would have played a fair numder of minutes a la Phillips or Cowen. Damn…Kid is a beauty!
Is Greening injured, a healthy scratch or completely invisible now?
Healthy scratch I believe. Tho they will say upper or lower body injury to cover it up.
Interesting. Fingers crossed for a potential buyout, he was a flash in the pan. Also don’t want Michalek back, he will take up top 6 minutes from a hungry AHLer (Hoffman, Stone, Puempel, Prince, pageau). It’s not just the AHL players who come up and play well, but it forces the fringe sens players to step up too or be replaced
Two back to backs in there including the one this weekend. The one at the end of the season, Pittsburgh is also on a back to back.
I think the saving grace in the Pitt game is that they will be set at the 2 seed and with the injury luck they have had this year I would be surprised to see their best that night. The game that worries me the most is tomorrow night, it just feels like a trap game with MTL and NYR on the weekend.
The next game should always be the biggest concern in the situation they are in, I guess. One bonus is that the Islanders play at home tonight.
Not worried about the lads getting up for MTL. I am sure they still have nightmares after the meltdown. Shit refereeing or not you cant give up that lead. They will have the foot firmly pushed to the floor for 60 in that one and the NYR is going to be a hart attack game all night.
Agreed. If we’re going to have a crucial back-to-back, there’s no one I would rather have it against than our two most recent playoff rivals.
We won our most recent back to back…. just sayin’
at NYR (l)
at NYI (w)
at PIT (OT)
so we are going to go 5-1-1 will that be enough?
That would give them about a 14% chance. Would need a substantial stumble from the team’s ahead of them for that to be enough.
anything can happen… believe
Anyone else order extra playoff tickets?
Nope – that would bring us to what? 89pts? We need to win out AND get some help from other teams slipping – key word being teamS as in more than one.
It can be pretty grim if you look more than a day ahead.
Simple if you look at it this way- They need to win out.
CBJ plays Colorado, Chicago and Philadelphia in the next four days. Would be nice if they lost all of those.
or at least 2 of them
At the risk of repeating myself…this scenario works. Its a huge stars aligning kind of thing but really only the jackets folding and the sens almost running the table are the biggest leaps of faith
Sens go 5W-1L-1OTL – 89 pts
CBJ go 3W-5L – 88 pts
Caps go 3W-3L-1OTL – 88 pts
Leafs go 4W-2L – 88 pts
Devils go 4W-2L-1OTL – 88 pts
Everyone is focusing on spezza as our main chip to trade at the draft, but few are mentioning bobby ryan (Pierre McGuire said this on tsn 1200 this morning). Stone has looked excellent so far in his spot, if he keeps it up then bobby might become more expendable. However, Bobby has played injured since November and never played with spezza uninjured, so have we even really seen what bobby is capable of?
It’s very tough to decide what to do for Murray because on one hand bobby is worth giving another year to see if he can stay 100% healthy and show us what he can really do. On the other hand, he could walk and we get lower trade value for what we gave up for him. In the end, if we get equal trade value to what we gave up (or close to) and stone continues to shine, we make that trade.
I think the real BR is the one we saw for 25 games. Engaged physically, bullet shot and back checks. I don’t like the idea of moving him. Stone with Hoffman and ZBad would be a wicked 3rd line.
Ryan gets 40 goals next year if he stays healthy. Playing with Turris and McArthur. Hemsky and Spezza with Michalek or Hoffman. I would keep Michalek for now and go with the Bingo boys for the third line.
Things look good for next year if management keeps their cool and doesn;t trade away our future.
Still want to find a spot for DaCosta.
I don’t think Da Costa is here next year. I think the Sens will try and keep him, probably make him an offer as an RFA and all that, but I think Da Costa and his people will want to try their luck with a different organisation.
He’s not going anywhere
I am not convinced we need to trade anything. If we keep Hemsky who wants to play with Spezza and Ryan, we could have two good lines. Make a Bingo line number 3 and go with Greening, Neil and Smith as #4. Ryan has proven to be one tough cookie. Why would you trade a guy like that?
No more GSN. Even as a fourth line…just no more.
I would like both stay and then if the Sens are struggling and inconsistent next year, trade both and go for McDavid!
I believe that if the sens go 6-1 they can make it. Both Detroit and Columbus have more difficult schedules. One of them can choke.
All starts with a Columbus loss tonight agaisnt a great Colorado team.
No duchene is gonna hurt colorado more then people think.
No Horton is gonna hurt Columbus too…hopefully.
Yet another huge win and now just win the next three and the bandwagon will be standing room only. Like everyone, I am not happy with the way the year went but sure as hell nice to see our boys don’t give up. Continue to fight right to the end and still have faith in each other. Heres to getting a big win tomorrow night and making the weekend a fun one. Last week I was just hoping they would still be in it when MTL. got here so we could kick their a$$ and have it mean something.
Definitely loving the fight they are showing right now. Like I said before playoffs or no playoffs they are playing some exciting hockey right now and it’s great to see!
Since I’m superstitious and we won last night when I posted the playoff scenario where Sens make the playoffs, I will keep posting the daily update on the daily Chirp blogs until…we are either in or out.
So if we make it, y’all can thank me and if we don’t…as if superstition has anything to do with it!
Well, if they keep playing the way they are right now, I can see them winning 4. If Andy does his thing, maybe 1 or 2 more. But, they are going to have to be “on” every game. I am just glad they have decided not to go quietly and have given us a look at what could be.
We play both the devils and Leafs. Those will be huge games coming up
With you all the way whammer! Great post, keep em coming!
Sens keeping the faith alive. Great to see all you fans back on the bandwagon. Nothing better than entering the playoffs on a hot streak!
GO SENS GO!!!
not entirely fair… most of us were always on the bandwagon, just not happy with the all of the decisions being made, but most are all still die hard fans
You’ve been throwing this team under the bus most of the season. No matter what the final result is they’re on the cusp of being a playoff team and you gave up on them so long ago. Call yourself what you want, you lost the faith and that’s less fair than anything you are complaining about in my statement. Being a fan is more than just wanting the players and lineups you want to see. Hopefully this season helps you mature as a fan.
So who are we takin’ tonight for the win… Leafs or Flames? Leafs win, and they could get on a roll, or the season could be over for them with tonight’s loss.
Flames but I feel like the Leafs will win.
I hate to say it, but they have to win sometime. And, it’s clear that they’re seriously overdue (drats!).
I have always had faith in this team and its always good too know that with 7 games left we are playing MEANINGFUL games when 2 weeks ago it looked like we were basically done. If Columbus loses tonight, and we play NYI on a back to back tmr. Things are looking good. Even if we dont make the playoffs, I love the effort they put in knowing that its an 82 game season and anything can happen. GO SENS GO
MM you’ve been one of the other few keeping it strong all season, and I think your dedication, faith and understanding of just how long of a season it really is should be commended. GSG!!!
I appreciate the consideration. I get we fans get frustrated at times but every season isnt going to be as perfect as we want it to be. I really feel like we have an amazing core group for years to come. We just need some defense. 4 pts back is way better then 10 pts back. Lets say we miss the playoffs and 3 years from now i look at the standings from 2013-2014 id much rather see ottawa finish closer to 8th then finishing in the bottom 5. GO SENS GO
Senators signed Ferris State forward Garret Thompson. Expected to join Binghamton.
Our savior! Good move for some b sens depth.
Pretty nifty shootout goal here.
SIGH – yet another free agent forward
I was hoping that Ottawa was going after D-Man Christian Folin
Yikes – just read that CF signed with Minnesota yesterday
Think they did but never really got serious consideration. He signed with Minnesota last night.
Perfect move for a depleted Bingo Lineup. They can use his abilities right now for sure.
No harm in signing these college free agents. They don’t cost us any assets and at the very worst they don’t turn out to be every day NHL players.
Butler contributed significantly in Bingo’s Calder championship a couple seasons ago and Da Costa is finally developing into a player. Both were good signings in my opinion regardless of where they are now.
Garrett Thompson (Ferris State) — LW – Signed with the Ottawa Senators
on April 1
Now that the Folin sweepstakes are over, we should see more UFAs start
finding new homes. Thompson is a really intriguing player out of Ferris
State. He has good size at 6-2, 191 and doesn’t get pushed around. On
top of that, he’s a gifted puck handler and has good one-on-one skills.
Thompson skates well and has some quickness that can be deceptive at
times. Thompson posted 87 points in 139 career games. He only had 32
points as a senior this year, which I thought was a bit low for a player
of his ability, but certainly nothing to sneeze at. Thompson scored 16
goals this year, five better than his career best. He’s been a big part
of a program that’s been on the rise over his four years there and
certainly had his best season as a senior. He did score in the national
championship game against Boston College two years ago, which was a
career highlight. I haven’t seen Thompson much this year, but when I did
see him I really liked what I saw. The skill level is improved and I
think if he tacks on just a bit more muscle, he could develop into a
bottom-of-the-lineup player with some scoring punch. At 24, I don’t know
how much better he is going to get, and he’ll need some development
time before he can step into the NHL lineup, but his puck skills
definitely make him a player worth taking a chance on.
Thank you for the recap much appreciated.
I’m surprised to see so many people on board with the idea of re-signing Michalek. His injury history and inconsistent play should be reason enough to stay away from a contract extension.
If we can sign him to a one year or maybe two year deal then okay, but he’s probably seeking decent term on his next deal at market value, in which case they should let him walk.
I just don’t think for a team with an internal budget, we should be committing big money to a trio of Michalek-Spezza-Hemsky. I just don’t have a good feeling about it knowing all of their injury history. One or two of them sure, but all three? That’s risky.
yeah, that’s a lot of injuries on 1 line. I think hemsky is michalek’s replacement. Then likely a bingo boy or an off chance at a similar type player(salary wise) if murray truly has a green light to go for a cup in the next 2 years. I’d think moulson, stewart through trade, cammelleri, parenteau through trade or someone like that might be a targets for that LW position, or even for the 3rd scoring line that Zib centers
I like Michalek… He’s a nice guy, he tries hard… But… He has a hard time changing directions, and he gives up possession of the puck easily… When was the last time saw him making a nice play, nice pass… He can score… But, I think anybody on the 1st line should be able to get 20 goals… Anybody… Greening got 17…
I’m not quite as adverse to the idea of re-signing Michalek. He’s managed to stay healthy for the entire season. We know he spent the off-season receiving a relatively new treatment, which has been somewhat successful for on athletes. I think he fits into our top 9 (if not w/ Spezza & Hemsky). My bigger concern, though, is the internal budget. Obviously nobody is happy about it, but it does exist. I’d be hesitant to spend Money on Michalek (knowing that the contract will eat up whatever pie is left for other contracts). If we could spend to the cap, I’d be content with resigning him. But, we can’t (sigh). The biggest priority has to be re-signing Hemsky, IMO.
I agree that re-signing Hemsky should be the #1 priority, but not at all cost. The annual cap hit doesn’t really worry me, but the organization has to be careful with the term they offer him.
Realistically, Ottawa won’t be able to offer him as lucrative a contract as what he can get as a UFA, but there’s a chance he leaves some money on the table to stay here. Hey seems to be having a blast playing for this team right now and the idea of playing with one of Spezza or Zibanejad for the next couple seasons may be enough to get him signed.
Yeah, I’ve mentioned before I’m not great guessing future contracts. Obviously, he’s putting on quite a shot right now, and the league will take notice. But, I’m not sure he’ll command a crazy amount as a UFA. His injury history and production over the last few years will hurt him. I guess the question is what do people think he could get on the open market?
My guess Someone might pay him 5.5 for 4 years? Just a total guess though. Thoughts?
I think most teams that have interest would consider paying him 4.5-5 mil a season on a 3yr contract. I believe at least 1 or 2 of them would go in the 5-6mil range. It really sounds like he wants to play with Spezza though, so if we can get him in the 4-5mil for 3yrs I would be happy. I hope the contract is not over 3 yrs though unless the cap hit is 4mil or under.
3 years @ 4-5 mill would be very reasonable for both the team and Hemsky. It all depends on whether he believes he can get more on the free agent market. I wouldn’t put it past a team like Florida to offer him 4-5 mill per season over a 5 year term.
I got to say, none of these numbers we threw out concern me at all for Hemsky. I suspect the only reason we’re concerned about term is for potential injury. A medium term contract might not be that bad though. You could give him a smaller term contract and basically say prove your worth. Then he could go on a rampage, and command a higher salary. It’s all just guessing and hoping for production and success on my part. But, if he stays healthy, I’m not too concerned about that. He was fine on a crappy team before the injuries, and before they just sort of gave up on him (with the influx of all the young talent). I guess this is one of the few gambles I really would like to see happen.
I think Michalek should not be resigned and here is my reason why…
You need to give incentive to the guys in your system, every year there should be a healthy competition for at least 1 open spot in your top 6. This summer it’s for LW. Next summer it could be for RW/C if Ryan or Spezza walks/traded… This makes the 18-23 year olds in your system have a light at the end of the tunnel.
and then go through another year looking for a winger for spezza and hemsky? fuckk dat. sign michalek for at least 2 years…
I understand the argument, however I would say the open spot needs to be in the top 9 and not top 6. Ideally you’d have a sturdy and consistent top 6 with a rotating spot on the third line that can compete for top 6 minutes when injuries occur.
I’m still undecided on Michalek, though I do think he looks good with Spezza and Hemsky. Our top 9 next year could be Spezza, Michalek, Hemsky, Ryan, Turris, MacArthur, Zibanejad, Hoffman, Stone. That still leaves room for competition on the 3rd line if Hoffman or Stone have a step back, and still leaves enough skill to move up to the top 6 during those inevitable stretches of injuries.
You’re right, a guy works his way up the order… Stone/Pumpel could play on L3 and then move to L2. Either way locking up your top 6 long term gives little flexibility.
It’s not locked up though. Spezza, MacArthur, Ryan, Zibanejad and Stone all have 1 more year on their contract. So space will open back up just in time for Puempel, Stone or Zibanejad to have proven they deserve long term top 6.
I wouldnt be opposed to resigning Michalek if its at fair value of 4 mill nothing more for like 2 years max. If he demands more id let him walk. We got prospects waiting for a shot.
Would you pay an extra .5-1mil a year on that to be sure of your top 6 though? We ran with the prospects in the wing idea this year and Conacher proved he could never quite live up to expectations. Hoffman has now played 19 games this year and has only 4 points to show for it. Stone looks great (6pts 12games), but not sure if he or Hemsky would go to LW to play together.
I’m starting to think I’d rather the inconsistent Michalek stretching our internal budget, instead of hoping Hoffman, Stone or Puempel are ready for 1st line duty. Honestly torn on this one right now.
very concerned that we will not keep Hemsky:
this in all likelihood will be his last shot at his best contract moving forward
– Can we compete with playoff contending teams with huge budgets
– why would he take 3-5 mil less (over full term of contract) from Ottawa than he may get from NYR Boston Pitt Anaheim?
He may say all the right things now, however no way anyone can justify him staying here when he will get plenty more from a contending team.
this reminds me all to well of when we had Cullen here and lost him to UFA
Really Miguel? He’s never played with someone of Spezza’s caliber and would love to continue that, especially on the 1st line of an up and coming team. Your statements like ” no way anyone can justify him staying here when he will get plenty more from a contending team” just make zero sense. There are plenty of ways to justify it and he will likely relay one of those when he re-signs.
I also think the fact that Ottawa was after him for so long even though he was ho-hum in Edmonton helps in the case for him resigning here. This team traded for him, immediately put them with Spezza (showing their faith), and he has flourished. I want to believe that he likes being/playing here and hopefully won’t want to risk leaving an organization that trusts his abilities for another one that could potentially put him back on the 3rd line with no supporting talent like Edmonton did.
Plus this team has a very promising future. Hopefully he and other quality/characters will want to be a part of it.
I am more worried about Phillips getting top 4 minutes then Hemsky not signing here. He looks like he is having a blast on the ice and off-ice he seems even happier. I say we need to resign Macharthur and Hemsky this offseason. It is going to be an interesting one thats for sure
MacArthur is already signed.
I mean past 2015. We should look to sign him this summer.
Ah ok, ya an extension would be good. I don’t think it’s worth rushing though, a career year shouldn’t make us rush to pay him when we don’t have to. I want him here long term, but that’s a contract I’d wait to renew unless MacArthur and his agent brought it up at a really good price this summer.
I don’t think there should be much of a rush to extend MacArthur. I love what he’s brought to this team this season. Him and Turris have not only been our top forwards, but probably our best two players all season long.
Saying that, I want to see MacArthur perform at this level again next season before giving him a big contract extension.
I think it’s more urgent to make decisions on Spezza and Ryan this summer than Mac.
Decisions on Spezza? He’s coming back, it’s just a matter of for how long and at what price.
I don’t think it’s a sure thing. There’s no guarantee that he and the organization will agree on a contract that works for both sides. I also don’t think it’s out of the question that they entertain the idea of trading him this summer.
That’s just my opinion though and it’s not based on any facts. It’s based on the fact that there are many possible scenarios that could play out between the end of this season and next year or so.
Until he’s signed a contract extension, we can’t rule out other possibilities.
Personally I listen to a lot of BM interviews and most of the ones related to Spezza at least hint if not pretty much confirm that he will be back. I know anything can happen, but the plan would have to drastically change imo to see him traded this summer.
BM believes in Spezza as his captain, sees him as a friend like he had Alfie, maybe even closer. And truthfully, there is not 1 other person on this team I’d want to put the C on. Plenty of As, no Cs.
I think Zibby in the second slot would be wise. Get what you can for floater Spezza now while we can. Plus goalies won’t face fifty shots a night. Get something for Cowen too cuz he can’t skate. No mystery we only gave up 30 shots last night through 65 minutes.
MM9 is really a tricky one.
Pisses me off that just as his games wind down, his game really picks up… need to uncover why this is, is it health or greed?
He’s a streaky player, case closed.
Greed? You can’t be serious.
Don’t question it, Miguel gets these logistics from a higher power. We will never understand.
Allow me to spell it out for you.
The more he scores… even though it may be meaningless if the Sens dont make the playoffs, the more MM9 will get out in free agency.
Does he really give a rats ass whether or not we make the playoffs?
or is it more important for him to start really busting his ass now not for the Sens but more for MM9 if he wants the best deal he can get?
Getting to the botttom of these questions will answer whether we should resign him.
Sorry for not making myself more clear for you
Miguel, you’re talking like you think Michalek is greedy. To me this is coming out of nowhere. Every player tries to play his best in a contract year and get the best contract they can, situations being equal, but Michalek is a quiet mainstay on this team that really seems to enjoy playing with this team. Maybe he won’t take a home town discount, maybe he will, but he’s always been streaky, and labeling him as greedy for no reason is pointless.
ok so you think that he is now becoming fully healthy and is a coincidence that his contract is ending… that is fair enough, and I cannot argue that, as he seems like a great person.
what I am saying is that the powers that be, will have to make that decison going forward. Is he the player we have seen the last 2 weeks or is he the player we say the previous 2 years.
Not that easy a call if you ask me,
I think he’s had health problems in the past for sure. Not so much this year, though he was recovering from the offseason knee procedure. If you look at his days with SJ he was a very durable player, then he came to Ottawa and performed but ran into knee problems.
He has played the entire season so far, so I would actually believe that he is finally healthy right now. Add the instant chemistry Hemsky brought at a time when Spezza was feeling more healthy than not, and this is their sweet spot when all is going well. It will never be 82 games like this, but they could do this for most of a season and be a pretty dominant line going forward.
There’s always better and worse ways to spend money when it comes to player contracts, sometimes the player we know is safer in the long run. Michalek is winning me over, but I don’t for a second doubt there are other players that could fit there as well. I wouldn’t hate the team for letting him walk, I just don’t think it’s a matter of greed at the end of the day.
easier said than done
what do you think is a fair contract for MM9?
And what if he gets more elsewhere… which will most likely be the case, b/c there are 10 teams that can afford to burn money.
If we can re-sign Hemsky it increases the chances of us keeping Michalek. Not convinced you want to toss aside that chemistry (even if it is a minute sample size).
The problem that I see is that Michalek will likely want a longer contract than we want to offer, and that’s my concern. Murray’s consistent weak spot as a GM is re-signing players to contracts that are too long.
I don’t question Michalek’s work ethic or professionalism one bit. He’s just not the type of guy that puts himself before the team.
What are these comments based on?
Miguel –> If he was a player that just shows up for a new contract he, in theory, would have played better than his mean performance for the entire season! Not just a few games (w/ Hemsky showing up). Similarly, he’s one of the few player in Ottawa that has a history of going to the tough places on a regular basis I’m not saying he definitely should be re-signed. But, there’s not reason to rip the guy.
The whole idea that if a player doesn’t take a discount to play with a team as evidence of not being a team player has always bothered me. As someone with a family to support, money would be very important to me, as that’s something that I can directly give / leave to loved ones. Player motivations aren’t always a simple function of team loyalty, and players shouldn’t be chastised for considering other factors in their professional careers.
ok fair enough, all that I am saying is management are the ones to decide which player MM9 is
the one we have had for the past 2 weeks
or the one we had he previous two years
and the money will reflect that.
thats all i am saying
Miguel I get that now too. I think sometimes your message gets lost in the way it’s written, mine probably does as well. I think this MM9 is the same as the one for the last 2 years except healthy and with an improved line. Either way though, he’s an above average offensive 2 way player. 4-5mil is a healthy range, more than 5 long term gets risky.
More than fair to ask if his current level of play is sustainable, or if we can expect regression back to his earlier level in the season. Throughout his career he’s been pretty consistent. Above 0.6 ppg, and a + player. But, whether he can overcome injuries to maintain that level of play over the long term certainly remains to be seen.
and there it is… finally someone gets what I am trying to say.
is MM9 the player we have seen this year minus the last 2 weeks the player he will be moving forward?
or will he be the one we have seen the last 2 weeks the player moving forward.
Tough decision and his contract will reflect that.
That’s what happens when you say “is it health or greed”.
No one is paying Michalek just for these 2 weeks, but the sens could decide to keep him based on the chemistry he has with Spezza and Hemsky.
How about looking at when the ‘streakiness’ started… When Hemsky joined.
Not a detective, nor do I pretend to be… But…
Yes agreed but he certainly has a much bigger jump to his step than he has the past couple of years, strange that it coincides with him looking for a new contract.
is he just healthy now? or is it time for a new 3-5 year contract, then he can relax for 4 more years?
He’s played like this before. You keep making comments like this that hint at the fact you can’t put current events in perspective.
did Michalek just realize two weeks ago his contract was up? Christ man, give it a rest.
Wow and it doesn’t coincide with getting a legit top 6 winger to play with him and Spezza, does it?
People only believe what they want to see
His skating has been good all year though.
This is the same Ales Hemsky who had been offered by the Oilers to every team for basically for free and the contending teams did not bite. I’m not convinced that Hemsky will get a long term deal by anyone. 3 years at 5 per year should keep him here. If anyone offers longer term then see you later.
Great observation. Pens could have had him at the same price we got him for.
He was playing a reduced roll in the Edmonton rebuild. There may be teams that see his rejuvenation with Spezza as confirmation that he still has plenty to offer. I still think the figure you mention should be in the ballpark of getting it done, as I do believe he wants to stay, but if he hits UFA on July 1st he will receive a surprise offer or two. If Semin can get paid like that in Carolina anything can happen.
Spezza not rejuvenating Hemsky , he can play with anyone what CRAP!
I know everyone’s anxiously awaiting the new TV deal money and hopeful increase in the budget. Logic would lend us to believe we won’t see that until after next season once that revenue is received at Melnyk Palace, but by that time all the other teams’ tv deals will have kicked in too increasing costs of the average player contracts across the board. (50% share of NHL revenue).
My question is would any of you consider extending players who are still under contract beyond this season, sooner to try and get their next contract (extension) to stay reasonable before the cap jumps again and agents/players demand huge increases? Does anyone else share this concern for our budget team?
nah, the players and owners made their bed, they can sleep in it. its somewhat equal across the board, other than comparing a team’s spending in say, florida, to Toronto. Revenue sharing is there to compensate, but obviously not fully. Yeah, smart GM’s wanted to get contracts to respectable prices, but its not always a good deal. Turris = great deal. Cowen might be a bad deal. Phillips is a terrible deal, lol. But all in all, If player salaries are going up because of a bigger cap and so on, that also implies that revenue has gone up, so owners are also getting richer. So no big deal to them.
I actually think all 3 of those contracts are good deals. You may not like Phillips anymore but he could get a better contract elsewhere no problem. Cowen will pay off in the end, but I understand why people don’t see it this year, but that was always the point as BM has stated. MacArthur and Turris are awesome deals. Hell by the end of his contract Karlsson will be massively underpaid by the standards in 2019. Acting now allows to sign more like these ahead of the curve.
oh gosh darn CP4 gets a better contract to shit the bed on another team and help the oppostion win… that would really hurt us woudn’t it… give it a rest CP4 sucks and he really hurts the develpement of this team moving forward for the next 2 years
And you’re back … lol. We’ll always disagree on our views of veterans and prospects. One of us always wants the shinny new toy.
Shiny takes one n, shinny is what Spezza plays every night without back checking!
I agree Miguel he’s full of never ending hot air! Spezza and Cowen, all I know is that the team looked better than ever without these turnover machines! We haven’t lost a game when Spezza has been out this year! Spezza,Cowen,and Phillips movethese3 clowns and this team is elite in a hurry!
It has nothing to do with the salary cap. The 5 UFA’s that will be going into 2014-15, need to be extended starting July 1 or the Sens risk losing them at the end of next season for nothing. I’m assuming that all 5 would be wanted back but you can’t throw crazy money or even more importantly crazy term. The max is 8 years. Does anyone believe the Sens should give Spezza an 8 year deal at the age of 32? 4 year max for Spezza, 5 years each for Methot and MacArthur, 2 years for Anderson and 6-8 year deal for Ryan. If any of them say no to an extension in July then the Sens must trade them.
I think macA is still 2 more years is he not? could be wrong, but I thought he signed a 3 year deal. Either way, it will be big decision time at the draft and july 1st as to what they plan on doing. I imagine murray will be talking to each player’s agent before then on how they feel with the team, and contract expectations and so on, so if there is a trade at the draft, they are able. Then come july 1st, the deals are signed. I think the ideas on terms for all of them is fairly accurate. But it depends on price too, not just term wanted. Also interesting to note who get’s NTC’s.
MacArthur has one more year. He becomes a UFA the same time :Ryan, Spezza, Methot all as well become UFA’s.
No unfortunately it was a 2 year deal at 3.25 million.
I think Ryan extends his contract. When he got to Ottawa he did everything he could to make the fan base like him, to a point I was almost suspicious of his actions (lol). But ultimately, as much as non-hockey market teams like Anaheim, Florida, etc… avoid the harsh criticism that occurs in hockey markets (especially the Canadian teams) I think they also lose some of the praise too. I think he realizes since he came in during a rebuilding period (post-Alfie) he can be a face of the franchise here, something every player dreams of.
From everything I’ve seen of him he seems very demanding of himself (in a good way), and probably wants to do better than he did this season (I am not putting him down but this season was slightly below his usual output). As I mentioned somewhere else, this team has a bright future ahead of them, I think he knows he can do even better than he did this year and be part of this bright future.
How can you discount salary cap? Revenue goes up, cap goes up, average players salaries have to go up until there is further expansion.
I would not give Methot that kind of term. Spezza I’m open to whatever they decide. Ryan I would talk to this summer, but the rest can be worked on throughout the season or traded at the deadline. This summer is not a deadline!
I’m not discounting the cap, however the 5 players we are talking about with the exception of Ryan will all be 30 yrs of age or higher. That is why term is probably more important.
This summer is not a deadline but it will give the Sens management a good indication on how to proceed. So what if Ryan for example says he wants to wait till the end of the season to negotiate and then decides, what the hell let’s go to free agency. The Flyers decide to give him a 7 year deal at 10 million a season and the Sens don’t match. You lose him for nothing, not to mention what you gave up for him. Would you be ok with that? Or the Sens offer him a good deal this July, he says no, then you can trade him to the highest bidder. There would be a bidding war for him and chances are you could get a good return. I’m not saying they should get rid of him but the Sens have to be assured they will have Bobby or something for him. They can’t go to July next year and have an Alfie like situation happen again.
Agreed, they need to sign or trade him by the deadline next season. Too big a piece to lose for nothing. I actually felt that way about Michalek this year, though he’s not as big a piece imo, he’s still valuable enough you don’t’ want to lose him for nothing. I believe we are in agreement on that principle for sure.
My question was more that we can resign these players much cheaper this summer than next, in my opinion, because of the pending change to the financial landscape, and if that’s the case would you. Sounds like you would either way though, which is good!
Seems like the cap will keep going higher and higher. Makes you wonder why there have been 2 lockouts in the past 10 years? Once again the owners prove they are beyond capable of running a viable operation.
As for Michalek, mark me down as hoping that he stays with the Sens. The guy works his ass off and I’m still convinced he can play in the top 9. Especially now that it seems he is healthy again.
I guess players could be making NBA type money without the lockouts, it still just slowed down the inevitable at the expense of fans.
Seems there’s a lot of Fans not sure on who should stay or go in this organization. Personally, Hemsky is a guy this club needs to sign. We have been waiting for Spezza to find a partner he can work with and we found one and he’s even admitted he’s enjoyed that time. So the fix here is two fold. Sign Hemsky and Spezza should follow, or vice versa.
If we get both of these guys to a similar term deal, maybe using a 3 year range as the magic number to when they expect to be past the point to legitimately competing, why wouldn’t they take it? I really feel signing them will help get the remainder of the guys in line, and Ryan, MacArthur, Methot and a few others are included in that list. And come 3 years, if things haven’t went the right way, do as you may and start rebuilding again.
I used 3 years because, we have a great core and great prospects coming up. Within those 3 years most of those younger guys will have been playing at least a season or two or moved for veterans if everything goes as planned. And if we are in contention most of those years, our prospect pool will start to dry up without legitimate top draft picks. So come the end of that term, we may end up in another one of those semi-blowup for picks situations.
Hmmmm… did you guys see this:
Ottawa Senators sign forward Garrett Thompson to entry level contract
My bad, should have checked.
no worries, always good to post info related to sens, than to not
I say keep these two lines for next season:
Hoffman – Spezza – Hemsky
MacArthur – Turris – Ryan
Then you can have make the third line a young one with some combination of:
Zbad / Pageau / DaCosta / Stone / Puempel / Prince
Fourth line just find a better LW for Smith and Neil and you’ll likely get some more scoring. They often get the opportunity but Greening and Neil barely ever convert that to goals. With a gritty LW who can finish that might be an effective fourth line.
For defense I’m OK with what we have but would prefer seeing reduce minutes for Phillips and really want to keep the pairing Gryba / Methot or Gryba / Cowen if Cowen has a good camp.
I get the Hoffman love from fans this season, he’s awesome to watch and I like having him on the team too, but what about 4pts in 19games screams first line to you?
He’s an improvement over Conacher imo because of his elite speed, but it fits best with Zibanejad right now and on the PP.
Not the points but his speed on the backcheck is what screams first-line-with-spezza to me especially since it looks like Karlsson will be playing behind them. The points will come he’s already had many, many good looks and chances.
I believe points will come, I’m not sure about 1st line production. I’d actually rather force Stone on there, try Ryan for real (1st choice) or give Puempel a go, if Michalek is not re-signed.
I’d also prefer Ryan on the first line but I was under the impression that both Ryan and Hemsky do not like the LW position. I’d also be OK with Puempel as long as he’s a good back checker.
I like Spezza’s game lately but let’s face it he needs wingers who will do most of the back checking, and this season especially forwards helping defense has been a huge problem, so that is what I would look for in a first liner on the LW.
Michalek putting himself before the team? Greedy? The same Michalek who jumped off the bus of his lockout team to come get someone to pick him up and get him back to Ottawa ASAP?! No, must be another Michalek.
good point… I am not saying he is greedy, I am saying that with him playing very well all of a sudden with 10 games left in the season and our season done, it could be argued that he is more concerned about his new contract than he is about the Sens playoffs.
If he would have played like this all season and brought down his +/- we would be sitting in the playoffs.
This season is on the whole team, coaching staff, gms and inexperience of the players. Though in the end if they miss it will likely be very close, hard to look at it as 1 person to blame or even a few players. Either way, it has nothing to do with his pending contract status, he did not wake up 2 weeks ago and say “oh shit my contract is almost over, better start playing”!
Let’s not forget the players are confident now, and he himself has probably recovered from a terrible knee surgery.
Michalek is so frustrating, because if he is healthy there isn’t really any denying that he is an effective player. Can make legit arguments to throw him onto any of our top 3 lines.
If I am not mistaken he hasn’t actually missed a game this season…which to me would indicate his knees are doing pretty darn well. Having dealt with a fairly major knee injury I know that even once better it still takes minimum a full year for it to be even close to feeling in tip top shape. So really….that takes us to this point.
The other problem with Michalek is the fact that we have enough young guys that are either ready for the big leagues, or so close that having them play for cheaper in the NHL may better serve our team than signing Michalek to 4ish mil(if not more who knows ideally I would say 3.5) and take the money and get either a 100% legit top 4 D that is ready for the role now or a top line winger.
So you really think that he purposely tanked it until now so he can get a contract?
The guy played through an injured knee. Yes he had a hard time finding the net but nobody can say the guy does not work his ass off. Now he is healthy.
GAWD – every player about to become a UFA plays his ass off at the end of his current contract
What a ridiculous comment. If having 10 good games is good for your contract, wouldn’t 85 good games be even better.
And putting the playoffs down to “Michalek’s +/-” is beyond weird.
Wow and it doesn’t coincide with getting a legit top 6 winger to play with him and Spezza, does it?
This team missing the playoffs has nothing to do with Michalek’s +/-, it’s about the team’s defensive play. Milos had such a shit year offensively and yet, this team’s problem has not been scoring goals. In fact it’s actually been the one good thing about this team.
Please remember the team barely made it into the playoffs last year. It was a nail-biter at the end there, only we were looking at it from the other side.
Keep that in mind before you advocate major offseason changes.
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