The Next Captain of the Ottawa Senators

SensChirp June 24, 2014 796
The Next Captain of the Ottawa Senators

When the Ottawa Senators trade Jason Spezza later this week (or perhaps in early July), they’ll have a vacancy at the most important leadership position on the hockey team.  For the second straight summer, the Sens will need to select a new player to where the “C”.  And unlike last summer when Spezza was the fairly obvious choice, things are a little more complicated this time around.

There’s no slam dunk choice.  Instead, there are a handful of candidates that each deserve consideration including a veteran who has played his whole career in Ottawa, a trade acquisition that has assumed the role of number one centre and arguably the best defenceman in the National Hockey League.  Some good options, but certainly no obvious choice.

Last summer when the C was placed on Spezza’s jersey, Chris Phillips was considered the runner up for the spot.  Phillips has played 1,143 hockey games, all in an Ottawa uniform.  And while his play has started to decline towards the end of his career, he’s still a strong presence on the ice and a respected guy in the room.  Phillips made it clear last summer that he wanted to be the Captain and this time will be no different.  With a new two year contract, Phillips knows he’s approaching the end of the line and would love to wear the C in his final two seasons with the team.  The problem is, Phillips is probably a six or seven defenceman at this point in his career and it’s hard to be an effective Captain from the press box.

Kyle Turris has made a strong case for himself as well. Although just 24 years old, Turris has quickly become one of the team’s best two way players and a perfect example of what this team expects from its best players.  Turris wore the A at times last season and was selected as an alternate captain for Team Canada at the World Championships this year.  Although not the most vocal guy, Turris leads by example and would be a fine choice to wear the C this season.

But while Phillips and Turris are in the running, and Marc Methot, Clarke MacArthur and Bobby Ryan deserve consideration too, there really is only one choice to wear the Captain’s C this season.

Erik Karlsson is the best player on this hockey team.  And with all due respect to the other 22 guys on that roster, it’s not even close.  He’s a game breaker. A generational talent.  The sort of player that can change the game every time he steps on the ice.  He’s got a Norris Trophy on his resume and at just 24 years of age, has already solidified himself as one of the best defenceman in the game.  In an off year, he put up 74 points. 74.  And while critics will point to flaws in his defensive game, he more than makes up for those when the puck is on his stick.  He’s vocal on the ice and in the room.  He wants to win and seems driven to get better every single day.  And even though he sometimes complains about his internet connection and sometimes doesn’t feel like speaking with certain members of the media, he’s still capable of wearing that letter on his jersey.

People I have spoken to on the subject seem convinced that the Senators will go with a young guy this time around. That after losing Alfredsson and Spezza in consecutive summers, they realize the time is right to turn this team over to the young guys.  This really is a two horse race between Karlsson and Turris.

In this anonymous blogger’s opinion, Erik Karlsson should be the next Captain of the Ottawa Senators.

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UPDATES

-With the free agency negotiation window opening tomorrow, the Ottawa Senators are working hard to get a contract done with Milan Michalek.  There is obviously some negotiation required but Michalek wants to stay in Ottawa and the Senators would definitely like to keep him.  Ideally the cap hit comes in at under $4 million. Darren Dreger indicated that Ottawa’s first offer was a two year deal.  Michalek can still take a spot in the team’s top six forwards and has experience play the left and right wing.  For a team that is already a little light on offence at the wing position, this is an affordable option.  We’ll see if the Senators can get something done before he can talk to other teams.

-An interesting note from Blues reporter Andy Strikland, as he has dismissed the Blues as a potential landing spot for Ryan Kesler.  That likely means the Blues are looking at Jason Spezza and maybe Paul Stastny to provide that additional offensive punch they so desperately need.  I assume the Blues put a call in to Stastny’s agent tomorrow to find out if they have a realistic shot at signing him.  If not, they turn their full attention back to the Senators and Jason Spezza. Also, if Stastny surprises everyone and does leave Colorado, do they call Ottawa back about Spezza? They certainly discussed the possibility at the deadline this year.

  • EK65

    Sorry, posted this on the last post, but let’s keep the conversation going.

    “I don’t think anyone has mentioned this yet, but could there be a
    situation where a sticking point is that STL, COL, ANA, etc. want a
    higher round (2nd, 3rd, etc.) conditional pick in 2015 if Spezza fails
    to re-sign?”

    • Hax

      I’ve been saying all along that the Spezza trade won’t happen until July 1st – i.e. when signing him to an extension becomes part of the trade. Conditional picks are fine and an option, but I think Murray’s going to want one big return and be done with it – not a conditional pick for 2016.

      (A conditional in 2015 technically would allow the team to wait until the last minute to resign him)

      • zippy

        Not sure that will work. I would want to make sure he’s still got what it takes.

        Re-signing also means he’s healthy enough to sign.

  • spezzerman

    Its funny that most felt (myself included) that if Spezza wasnt chosen as Captain he would surely leave, and then it turned out to be the opposite.

  • Doc

    Hey Chirp, I heard rumblings that Spezza might be on the trading block. Is there any truth to it? I’d be shocked if they traded away their #1 center, but I’ve seen weirder things.

    It could all be rumours as this point, but the person that told me this knows a guy that once grabbed a beer with a dude that dated a girl that worked at the CTC.

    Thanks.

    • spezzerman

      pfft, Spezza is our Captain, he’s not going anywhere.

    • SensChirp

      Where there’s smoke…

      • Phil.

        There’s cancer?

        • Doc

          Delicious charcoal BBQ.

          • Phil.

            Which is also a cancer risk factor…

          • Doc

            Like most delicious things.

            Taste = risk. And I like to live dangerously.

          • runningbear1974

            so that’s why you love Spezza… joking

          • Doc

            Spezza’s delicious?

          • runningbear1974

            Spezza Dangerously !!!

          • Doc

            Applewood Spezza does sound delicious.

          • runningbear1974

            Chicken Spezza is a delicious sandwich… Delicious…

  • FistsofNeil25

    No consideration for Bobby Ryan?

    • spezzerman

      A sign and C is definitely coming ;)

    • SensChirp

      Good point. Should have at least had his name in the poll but his name hasn’t really come up.

      • Doc

        I was still hoping for a table, but you haven’t been on your game lately.

        • SensChirp

          Uhhhh did you not see the Predict the Spezza Trade post? That thing was full of tables!

          • Doc

            Stop living in the past Chirp.

    • Tooks

      Bobby is a good player but he aint Captain material… Like you even said in anotehr post, he is a complimentary piece and not the piece.

      • CaMo

        He doesn’t even work out, he can’t motivate himself let alone 24 other guys lol.

      • FistsofNeil25

        I know. I’m not saying he should be a captain or even an assistant. I was just curious about what Chirp’s reasoning was for leaving him out considering other names in the poll.

  • Max2166

    Thanks for the update Chirp. I think Jason Spezza will be traded on Friday night in the 1st round to the Blues, Ducks or Stars. For the next captain, I want Erik Karlsson or Kyle Turris to the get the C. No to the Big Rig nor Chris Neil. Hopefully Milan Milackek will be signed – 2 years – 7 million not more. Go Sens Go!!!

  • spezzerman

    The only concern I have with Karlsson is that he almost too emotional at this point in his career. He takes player decisions very personally and as Captain you have to sometimes rationalize this with guys.

    On the other hand, this added responsibility may help him with stuff like that more than hurt him.

    On the other, other hand, I think way too much is made out of who is captain. It really should be the face of your franchise. It alos couldnt hurt if the Refs took him a little more seriously.

  • runningbear1974

    I would get Methot, MacArthur, and Ryan to have a discussion about it, and let those 3 decide…

    • FistsofNeil25

      You mean the three guys with only one year remaining on their contracts?

      • runningbear1974

        Yeah… They are important players on this team… Also, they are the oldest besides Neil, and Phillips….

        • runningbear1974

          They also have a good mixture of skill and grit, and decision making… I think they would perform better themselves knowing they were important part of leadership for this team…

          • FistsofNeil25

            Let’s get them inked to contract extensions first.

          • runningbear1974

            I was thinking we should use their thoughts while they’re part of the organization… Who are you going to ask? Neil or Philips? I don’t think those guys have any hockey sense (partially from only being on one team, partially from being limited players)… I wouldn’t even trust Anderson because i feel goalies have weird thoughts on things, but i would trust Brodeur…

  • The Apostle

    It shouldn’t be Phillips and he should understand why it shouldn’t be, we need stability in our leadership. If it’s Phillips, it will mean in a couple of years we will have had 4 captains in 5 seasons.

    However I think the organisation might feel that they are disrespecting the people with an A if they are completely bypassed, so it wouldn’t surprise me to see them go with three As – which I think is lame.

    Personally, I would love to see Karlsson get it, but if they go for somebody completely new, I think Turris gets it.

  • SensChirp

    Karlsson would be my first choice. No Captain my second choice.

    • TookieIs100PercentRight

      Are you ready to live with Karlsson gettin booed and the post-game TSN1200 fiascoes and Brennan running him out of town? Because this town has not been kind to skilled players.

      • Miguel

        so freakin true!!!

    • BfromOdiwa

      Come on Chirp! Do you really think Karlsson is captain material?? Don’t
      get me wrong, he’s one of the best in the league. But he’s a bit of a
      prima donna wouldn’t you say. I don’t think he has the right attitude
      for it..

  • runningbear1974

    As captain, do we want someone that exemplifies the type of system we play? Or, do we want someone that will maximize their potential in that role?
    What is our identity? What are we going with? Karlsson is more skilled than Turris, but Turris makes better decisions and is more dependable…

  • FistsofNeil25

    It’s strange but I don’t think there’s a player on the team worthy of being the captain right now. I would say it should be Turris and Karlsson but they have enough on their plate for this upcoming season without having to deal with the added pressure of being the captain.

    • SensChirp

      Yea you could make a pretty strong case for no Captain this time around.

      • FistsofNeil25

        Just temporarily. Let the real leader emerge from the pack.

        It all depends what they’re looking for right now. You said that some of your contacts seem to believe they’ll go with a younger guy this time around which points to Karlsson or Turris, but it also makes sense to give it to Phillips for the next two years while we let Turris and Karlsson continue to grow.

        The organization is in a weird spot with this decision that’s for sure. Murray and Maclean seem to me like they’re fairly traditional guys, which means the would be in favor of having a designated captain instead of three assistants.

        • clarkeinthedark

          I think this could be great for our squad. Turn back into the pesky Sens.

        • Sens2020

          I agree with making Phillips capt as you know it will only be for two years. And why not? He may not be as effective anymore but he has had a good career and I don’t think his effort is questioned. Capt does not have to be your best player.

          I would not pick Karlsson at this point. Could end up messing the guy up. Like Spezza he is uniquely gifted offensively and while he does a better job of hustling back to cover up his errors I don’t think he has a game you want everyone to emulate or more correctly trying to emulate.

      • The Apostle

        I sort of agree as that would also solve the potential issue of removing a letter from Phillips or Neil which some people seem to think is the equivalenty of a kick in the nuts.

        I think the time is right for a completely new leadership group and I’d be inclined for Turris, Karlsson and MacArthur or Methot.

        If Phillips and Neil have anything about them, they can be leaders without a nifty A on their jerseys.

    • Tooks

      I agree and voted No Captains, although it looks strange and says alot about the situation of the team, its probably the best course of action, instead of giving it to someone who aint rdy (Karlsson, Turris)

      • FistsofNeil25

        I don’t think it looks all that strange. NYR didn’t look strange going to the finals without a captain. Columbus didn’t have a captain this year and they were a group of guys that played for each other. Watching them in the playoffs I sure thought they looked like a close group.

        Not having a captain would really challenge our core players to step up, and it would also indicate to the rest of the group that it’s anyone and everyone’s team.

        In the past the Sens were always Alfie and Spezza’s team. Now it’s no one’s team. They all have to get the job done as a group instead of looking at the guy wearing the C to lead the charge.

        I think that’s the proper message to send at this point in time.

        • Tooks

          I agree about the challenge it puts forth but its still leaves a sense of emptyness and frailty. When they will struggle and find no one to look up to, except Phillips and Neil. We are sorely lacking leadership and its shown its ugly face the last 2 years.

          But like I said, I would rather go empty for a year to see who shows signs of leadership rather then just giving it to a young guy who aint rdy.

      • The Apostle

        Maybe this is my non North American/hockey upbringing rearing it’s head – but what is the big fucking deal about having the C? What is there to be ready for?

        How much difference does it actually make to a player’s leadership role in the team? If you are a natural ability to make your peers listen to you and inspire then you are a leader. You aren’t suddenly going to have those things just because somebody stitches a letter to your jersey.

        If one of Turris or Karlsson or MacArthur or Ryan or Methot is that voice in the room and has those abilities, and none of us know either way, despite what certain people may assert regarding their readiness or otherwise, then make them captain.

  • Cassidaus

    What concerns me most is if Neil gets an A again… If Karlsson gets the C I hope Turris gets an A. The second A i’m sure would go to Phillips, however Ryan, MacArthur or Methot would probably be better choices.

  • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

    I am floored at how much support I’m hearing on the street for both Neil and Philips.

    Completely confused by this

    • Andrews theory

      Ottawa has a ton of band wagon fans that casually follow the Senators.

      They remember that time Phillips got the OT winner 10 years ago and that time Neil got a Gordie Howe hat trick.

      I sincerely hope management decides to completely pass the torch this time.

      C and A’s

      • FistsofNeil25

        I agree but it’s sure hard to imagine Murray and Maclean taking the A’s away from Phillips and Neil. I hope they do but I can’t see it.

      • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

        Agree more than I’ve ever agreed before

      • Keregan

        Those two guys are the only remaining piece from our 2007 scf push. When they are gone the rebuild will be total :)

        • Pasky

          Which is in 2 years once their contracts are up. Big Rig for sure but maybe they Resign Neil as a 13th forward, if he wants a full time position then let him walk.

        • peetypuck

          The team will then hire them on in a different capacity.

    • The Apostle

      Neil gets support because he punches people in the face – which I think is a skill vastly over rated by a number of hockey fans and media personalities.

  • Sandy

    I think they may give it to Phillips as he is probably on his last NHL contract.
    Love Karlsson but I think he still is a little immature to take the role of captain right now.

    • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

      So we’ll have 3, maybe 4 captains in 4 years?

      • Tooks

        Yep…

        • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

          And people wonder why our team is made fun of

          • Keregan

            Alfie leaves a big pair of shoes to fill

          • Tooks

            I agree but isnt it what these GM’s are paid to do? They should of had a back up plan or a player in the wings groomed to take over. Its VERY easy to see they did not have that plan in place and just pasted it on Spezza’s jersey hoping he can fill the hole…Now we are left with no real Captain, no real leader type player, witing on Lazar or someone to emerge as a Leader, hoping the kids can save this franchise is a huge letdown by Management.

    • Andrews theory

      He’ll look awesome with the big C on his suit when he’s a healthy scratch.

      C stands for “Chris” right?

  • CUP 2014-15

    I am not sold on the C needing to be on the chest of your best player. I can remember Bob Gainey wearing it in MTL and he sure as hell was no offensive genius. The C should stand for many things including but not limited to will to win, respect as a player and a person, work to the end of your shift, make others around you accountable and as a leader you should be able to get others to do what you need them to do and have them do so because they don’t want to let you down. Not to take anything away from CP or CN but it’s time to move on from the past. I hate not having a C but I hate giving it to the wrong guy more. I vote for three A’s and let the Captian step up this year and carry this team into the future. EK65, KT and Mark Methot would be my choices today with CMac a close fourth.

    • xN1Cx

      This would make the most sense for the org. i think the majority of the fans would appreciate this as well. Instead of a player playing under pressure and floundering (potentially). How great would it be (and fun) to watch everyone step up!

      • CUP 2014-15

        I am not sure of the three players but giving the C to a player that is on his way out next year or the year after does not sit right with me and to stich it on someone to only realize it’s the wrong guy would be a disaster. It will be an interesting year and I don’t think were in for as much doom and gloom as many think. I like the young core already and Spezz will just add to that with his being dealt.

  • Karlsson’s Euchre Partner

    i had a dream last night that Spezza was traded to Anaheim for Lindholm and Vatanen… i woke up from the dream and it kept coming back every time i fell asleep – so that must count for something, right??

  • BradinCarp

    Run with 3 A’s until Lazar gets in here. See if he is truly the natural leader he is billed as and if so you have Lazar, King K and Turris wearing letters.

    • runningbear1974

      Nice… Bring in Lazar next year and make him the Captain… Get everyone to support him… Lazar has great attitude…

      • BradinCarp

        Make him earn it over the next 2-3 years, then if he turns out to be a top 6 natural born leader, give him the C for the next 15 years or so.

        • runningbear1974

          sure… i was just joking… For some reason, i have no doubt he will earn it…

        • runningbear1974

          Also… some players you don’t need to “make them” do stuff… They do it on their own… Some big guys you have to “make them” hit someone, well, that behaviour doesn’t last… You want guys that behave the way you like… Lazar is such a person… He enjoys trying hard, playing hard, hitting, getting hit… He enjoys that… We don’t have to ‘make him” do it… We just have to wait for the Political stuff and for him to work his way up this weird political business of teams….

  • my2sens

    Yashin = C
    Daigle = A
    Heatley = A

    Done.

  • my2sens

    Chirp – any info on coaches? I mean, Paul the Stached Walrus McLean is coming back… but are we getting an upgrade for our PP/PK coach?

    • SensChirp

      Last I heard the same assistants were expected back

      • my2sens

        Thank you. Excuse me while I go to the padded room. Please stand by.

        • CaMo

          I think our coaching staff is good. Let’s enjoy Cameron and Reeds while we can. Only a matter of time before one of them gets scooped up by another team.

          • Tooks

            And that time cant come fast enough…

          • CaMo

            Meh.

        • Sandy

          My sentiments exactly.
          Cameron did a terrible job on special teams. And do we know anything further about the health of Reeds?

  • MethotToMyMadness

    I like the idea of Karlsson or Turris wearing the C and that makes sense from a “go young” perspective, all the Teams are doing it these days. Plus both of these guys have long contracts and either of them would be able to continually wear the C, without worry of leaving Ottawa in a year. Nothing worse than being back to looking for yet another Captain. So yes, going young makes sense to me and it’s more than likely how it will go down.

    The longer contracts, vs short, is where the issue is with me and Phillips. If it wasn’t for CP only having a 2 year deal and possibly being done after that, then I’d say give it to Phillips 100% and let him ride with it. He is the true leader and you can throw all that garage out the window about him being a 7th D on this team. Since I’ve started reading this blog and actively commenting, Phillips has been labeled a 5/6 or 7th D. And while I can understand the label to a degree, because of his age, and decline in specific abilities, etc. Philips hasn’t played in that role yet in his career with Ottawa.

    This year, he was 4th in TOI/G with 19:13 on the Sens blueline. The 3 behind him were Corvo, Gryba and Ceci all at 17 minutes. The year before, 4th again with 21:04. The year before that, also 4th, with 19:06. You can keep going back if you like.

    Now if there is going to be year where we see a decline, it’s likely this year, considering who we have on the roster. But we don’t have Corvo this year and we are likely moving out a player in a trade, so I can’t see much of a dip as he is by far the most experienced we have. Add in the fact that PMac likes what he brings. I guess I don’t see him tapering off too much right away. I would expect he’ll start out in the top 4, as usual, and we’ll see a change of the guard by midway or 3/4th’s through the season. Even then, it doesn’t mean he cannot wear the C, because he won’t be out of the top 6, that I guarantee.

  • aegiszx

    I said it last year: with all due respect to Turris, this is Karlsson’s team– no questions about it. Give him the C.

  • CaMo

    I think we have to go with Karlsson, he’s by far the most vocal guy on the team on the ice/bench/dressing room. He will only get better defensively and it shouldn’t be hard for him to refrain from using slander and complaining on his twitter. All BM and Maclean have to do is give him a quick talk about what being a captain means etc. For me he’s the obvious choice. Scrutiny is hard for anyone to deal with and if anyone can handle added pressure he’s the guy.

    MacArthur says all the right things and is a grizzled vet + top 6 guy so for me he gets an A.

    No way do you strip Big Rig of a letter so he keeps the second A.

    Looks right to me. I know Turris is up and coming but he doesn’t need a letter IMO.

    • Sandy

      We don’t know anything about who is the most vocal guy in the room. The only ones who know that are the ones that are in there.

  • aegiszx

    Captains are of a special breed… I’m sorry but you just dont put Phillips in the same league as Crosby, Toews, Landeskog, Sedin, Chara, etc… the only person Phillips compares to is, unfortunately, Dion Phaneuf (and how he became captain is beyond me…)

    • my2sens

      That’s low. To compare someone to Phaneuf is just dirty. You expect a comment like that from Therrien.

      • Brock

        No rispeck.

        • my2sens

          Yup, none. Wonder what #3 is doing?

  • Geoff

    Personally, I’d prefer the Sens just go captainless next season, rather than prematurely foist the C on one of their young guys. I worry being the go-to team spokesman will be an unnecessary distraction for guys like Karlsson and Turris, who would otherwise just focus on improving their game.

    • Brock

      Exactly.

  • CaMo

    Everyone needs to just crack a beer, put a good dip in, and enjoy the show that is this off season.

    • my2sens

      Reminds me of those Japanese game shows… don’t know what the fuck is going on and what is going to happen! And in the end, left speechless and feeling cheated. Wanting your time back.

    • FBP

      Like a Fun Dip?

      Good idea.

  • In the Bleachers

    Bobby Orr was never an NHL captain.
    Ekik Karlsson does not HAVE to be one

    • runningbear1974

      Karlsson makes bad decisions… He doesn’t seem to have a sense of the risk involved in the decisions he’s making… He uses his skill to compensate for his decision making… To me, that’s not good Leadership quality…

  • FistsofNeil25

    Do we think Karlsson and Turris even want to be the captain? I’m not so sure they do.

    • xN1Cx

      True. At the going rate, they are the last two i want to see wear the C….give it to CP4. Siyanora!

    • CaMo

      I think Karlsson would want it. Turris, im not so sure could handle it.

      • runningbear1974

        Can’t handle it? Like, he’ll have nervous breakdown or something?

        • CaMo

          More like his play will be negatively effected by the added pressure.

    • runningbear1974

      If i had a vote, i think both would feel honoured by it… I don’t think Turris thinks he’s worthy, but he’s a humble type…
      I’m not sure what would happen if Karlsson became captain… For some reason i think if Turris becomes captain, both MacArthur and Ryan would back him up….

    • runningbear1974

      Also, i think Turris has been acting like a captain for the last 2 years… He’s already doing it… Whether he wants it or not, it’s how he sees himself, and how he conducts himself…

  • sprucesens

    I would think the players should vote for the C. Then the coaches, nor the fans can really complain. That shows who the players feel lead the team. Works for me

    • sprucesens

      ….but we will complain anyway

    • CaMo

      That is always the safest way to ensure the guy get’s a captain’s ‘rispeck’ in the dressing room. The players won’t screw it up.

  • sprucesens

    if Nashville would step up today and make an amazing offer, I might win!! lol. COME ON NASHVILLE

  • Conans River

    Just put the C on Phillips. I was not happy when they did not give it to him last year. I am of the mindset that the player that deserves the C is the player whose play is not going to be affected by an adverse winning and losing record.

    • boom

      You’re right – he sucks no matter what.

      • KJ

        sucks is a tad harsh, no? You don’t to 1,143 games in the NHL by sucking.

        • boom

          Fair point, but right now, he sucks.

  • Hax

    You can make a good case for most of those guys. Is Karlsson ready? Can Phillips lead while sometimes sitting out (or can he play every game)? Is Turris already the leader?

    I’m a firm believe in the idea that the captain isn’t chosen as much as acknowledged. It should be whoever is the leader in the room before the sweaters/letter go on. If there’s no clear-cut leader right now then go without a captain until one emerges.

    The decision shouldn’t be made by Murray or MacLean by looking at the roster on paper. It should go to whichever guy everyone else is following already.

    • runningbear1974

      Who do you think the guys were following last year? The way we played as a team it felt like they were following Spezza… Just because someone leads doesn’t mean they’re good at it…
      We need to identify the player that reflects the organization and style of play we want to establish… Make that person the leader, and get everyone else to play a little bit more like the leader…

      • Hax

        Fair point. If the de facto captain (i.e. the guy who’s voice carries the most weight in the room) is a bad example then MacLean needs to go with a different guy. I’m not sure that happens very often though (these days).

  • Zelle

    I’d like a discussion on this decision aspect of choosing the next captain for the team: which player on the Senators would most likely help Maclean get the team on board with his system?

    I think whoever best fits that role should wear the C, no matter his skill on the ice or interviewing prowess.

    • Sandy

      I think the coach should have a big say on that.
      He pointed out time and again how much Alfie helped him. They need that type of leader in the room for both the players and the coaches.

  • A-Train

    My vote’s for Karlsson or nothing. In a different era Philips would be the obvious choice. But that’s not today’s NHL. Plus he’s not really marketable (unless you are selling beer, I guess). I assuming that comes into the decision.

  • In the Bleachers

    Chris Neil not listed in your poll SC ?

    He would get my vote.

    • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

      Worst vote possible… Yes let’s have our embasador politicing with the refs from the penalty box

      • Rafi Bomb

        Haters gonna hate.

        • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

          I’m actually still a big Neil fan… In a reduced role

        • Tooks

          Chris Neil would be a terrible choice, love the guy cuz of his heart and passion but he has ZERO skills. We would be the only team in NHL history to name a 4th line goon as Captain…

          Sorry he has some skill…in fighting…

          • Rafi Bomb

            Edmonton had Ethan Moreau.

            I am not saying that Neil should be Captain, just that he has a similar chance to the players in the poll. We don’t have anyone that is close to being the clear cut captain and there is a very low probability that any of the players get the captaincy until halfway to 3/4 ways through the season after the Alfredsson and Spezzas fiascos.

          • Tooks

            Haha well its nice you compare us to EDM, I too feel we are heading in that direction, lol.

            He really doesnt have a chance to get the C, he might be a nominee but he has no real shot at it and he should know that.

    • Rafi Bomb

      Ya, that is a shocking omission. Neil has as good of a chance as anyone else in that pole to be named Captain.

      • SensChirp

        No. No he doesn’t

        • Rafi Bomb

          Ya he does. He was in the running before Spezza got named captain. Just because you don’t like him, doesn’t mean that he isn’t in contention.

          • SensChirp

            I’m a big fan of Neil. Still has a role on this team’s fourth line. He is not the Captain of an NHL hockey team though.

          • Rafi Bomb

            Like I said below. Just because he isn’t an ideal captain due to his limited skill, he has a similar chance to the players in the poll. No one is close to being the Captain on this roster.

          • SensChirp

            And like I said above, no he doesn’t.

          • Rafi Bomb

            Based on your opinion? Or from a source inside the Senators?

          • SensChirp

            I guess both. Neil is certainly a presence in the locker room but has been known to rub some guys the wrong way. Just not a good option for a team that wants to go with the younger guys

          • FistsofNeil25

            You don’t want a captain that scraps with his own teammates during practice?

          • Pasky

            Dammit beat me to it lol

          • FistsofNeil25

            lol it was an easy one

          • Pasky

            Especially since it’s in your username lol

            Has the NHL ever had a captain that would punch his teammates in the face for inspiration? Could be an interesting experiment to say the least.

          • KJ

            that’s the other point. You don’t make your penalty minutes leader your captain.

          • Pasky

            Agree… How many times have we seen Neil drop the gloves on one of his own players during a practice?

          • A-Train

            #accountability

          • KJ

            haha. that was my point also. :) not what a C does.

          • Rafi Bomb

            I am pretty sure Mark Messier threatened to and actually beat the shit out of his own team mates on multiple occasions. Messier is widely regarded as one of the best captains of all time so if he does it then there shouldn’t be an issue if other captains or potential captains do it as well.

            It is all relative to the purpose of the fight and the malice involved. Neil just play fights with these guys to get them to play with more intensity and physicality. I have never heard of any instance where Neil actually went out there and tried to injure his team mate.

          • CUP 2014-15

            HAHAHAHAHAHAH, NEIL HAHAHAHAHA MESS, Great comparison. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

          • Rafi Bomb

            Did you really just make the inference that I compared Neil to Messier? How can your reading comprehension possibly be this low?

          • CUP 2014-15

            Sorry Rafi, did not read far enough back so I get what your saying, but you do talk about Captian and Potential captian while mentioning only the two of them as well as that they both have fought team mates ( how you know which ones were aggressive and which were play fights is beyond me). If you are not trying to compare in some way or the other then I have no idea why you link the two of them together like this

          • KJ

            different times now than when Messier played. Best captains lead by example on and off the ice, and don’t beat the crap out of their team mates.

          • spezzerman

            This is from personal experience, right? ;)

          • ProfessorPower

            So your opinion. Which is fair.

          • KJ

            I can see that very easily. he is usually the one involved in fights with his own teammates in practice when intensity is ramped up. could very well rub some guys the wrong way. not what a captain does.

          • ProfessorPower

            Yes so an Assistant Captain has less of a chance to become the Captain than Marc Methot.. lets leave him out of the pole because he won’t be captain..although 5 of the guys you listed won’t be either. Says they want a young Captain, why even add Philips then..ha has ‘no skill’ either. Isn’t wanting Karlsson Captain thw same mentality as Spezza? Give it to the most skilled guy on the team regardless of his character. Curtis Lazar will be a better leader than all of the above throughout his career – my prediction. Giving it to him now is tough however, I think Paul Mac lean would go with Turris but management might want Karlsson. My biggest hope is 3 A’s until a true Captain emerges

          • CUP 2014-15

            If he was in the running it was through your mind as there was/is no chanch of him getting a C

  • Rafi Bomb

    My guess is that we role with 3 A’s for the majority of the season and then Lazar gets named Captain either part way through the season or at the end.

    • SensChirp

      Ha. Come on.

    • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

      Puff Puff pass

    • Doc

      lol…

    • FBP

      Don’t be ridiculous. Lazar should get the C immediately.

      • A-Train

        Can we make it retroactive? Can Lazar also be Captain LAST season?

    • Tooks

      Insert head in noose…..here.

      • Rafi Bomb

        Have you listened to Lazar in interviews. The guy is pure character. I could see him getting the captaincy early like Toews or Landeskog

        • A-Train

          No, you’re right. IMO they should just skip Lazar’s playing career altogether, retire his number on opening night and start grooming him for a front office job.

          • spezzerman

            if you throw in a Cup ring I’ll take it

          • Rafi Bomb

            Well I guess we will have to wait and see then. I think a lot of you are vastly overrating the leadership qualities of the players in the poll. Lazar has more characteristics of a captain than the majority of them. Now that doesn’t necessarily mean he is the ideal captain, we might be better off trading or signing a player. Acquiring a guy like Mike Richards would be the best bet.

          • Doc

            How about we let the kid play an NHL game before anointing him King?

          • CUP 2014-15

            But Doc, “they” say he can turn water into wine, raise Yashin’s career from the dead and get women pregnant with a simple glance. WTF, The kid is going to be a good one but until he arrives, we should all just relax and enjoy the young talent we have, hell, opps, he might just make this team out of camp.

          • Rafi Bomb

            It is an assessment of his character. He has the type of character that you look for in a Captain. Now it may take him a while to get there but on character and character alone he is well ahead of the majority of players on that list.

            Another guy like that is Borowiecki, who Luke Richardson refereed to as a “generational leader”.

            Now part of this is simply a criticism of the current guys in the dressing room as they would have stepped up and displayed that type of character during all the adversities we face last season. The only guy who came close to that was MacArthur and he did an excellent job of saying the right things and leading the team with his intensity and compete level.

            The concern is that we may not have the right type of character guy (who has sufficient skill) to lead this team. That is why we might have to look to acquire a player like that and it also opens up the possibility for some quality character guys (Lazar and Boroweicki) to push themselves into contention.

        • Tooks

          Yes hopefully he can do interviews from the bench or when digging the puck out of the corner or do some interviews when standing infront of the net…Thats would be awesome if the game of Hockey was interviews…oh wait, what?

          • Rafi Bomb

            The interviews are a reflection of his character. A player with the highest character, contingent on them also having sufficient skill is the best candidate to captain a hockey team. The Senators have been raving about Lazar sating “he plays the game right” and stressing the fact how far ahead he is maturity wise to our other prospects. He simply exudes character.

            Landeskog and Toews were very similar in that respect, they were mature beyond their years and as a result were able to earn the right to be named captain, beating out many players who had much more NHL experience than them.

            The question is whether Lazar can step right into the NHL and have an impact. If he can, then his character will quickly rise him up the ranks as a potential candidate to be named captain.

            The remaining players on the list haven’t shown that they are ready to take on the role either so they aren’t really all that much close to being named captain of this team. What the majority of you posters fail to take into account is implications of Alfredsson leaving and Spezza getting traded. These two events in such a short time span will force the Senators to be very patent in naming a captain and will not name a player captain simply due to their skill. Therefore a player like Karlsson would be deemed front runner by the casual fan, will actually have a much worse probability of attaining the captaincy if it weren’t for the events of Alfredsson and Spezza. His merits for the captaincy would be based on his skill not on his character and therefore for him to actually attain it, he will have to earn it through displays of more intangible aspects in the game.

            As for the remaining players, the Senators will similarly be very reserved and cautious in their determination and will likely want to wait for a player to step up and differentiate himself. This will take nearly half the season and will provide the opportunity for other players to step up and put throw their names into the ring. This will allow for the possibility of a player like Lazar actually beating out players on the current list for the Captaincy role.

        • FistsofNeil25

          I don’t think the idea of naming Lazar the captain is as crazy as others are making it out to be, but I don’t think it’s something that would happen soon.

          Maybe the organization believes that Lazar has all the attributes of a captain to lead this team in the future. It may make sense for them to name Phillips the captain for the next two years and then turn to Lazar if he’s everything they think he is.

          It’s not something I could see happening in the next season or two. After a couple years pro, then maybe, but it’s crazy to say that it could happen as soon as mid 2014/2015 or even after next year unless Lazar truly blows their socks off.

          He’s going to be a good player and he definitely has leadership qualities galore, but Landeskog and Toews were named the captains of their respective teams early in their careers because they were able to be impact players early on.

          I don’t think Lazar will be a true impact player as fast as those guys were.

          • spezzerman

            There is just no way Lazar is our next captain ahead of guys we consider our long term core now, i.e. Karlsson and Turris. Toews and Landeskog were the key parts of a new core for their respective teams when they were give Captaincy. Lazar will be a new addition to an established core. He will be Key but in an ideal world, he will be our next, next captain after Karlsson retires. 15 years from now

          • FistsofNeil25

            We’ll see what unfolds in the next few months. If Phillips is named captain and Lazar comes in this year and has a solid rookie season and can back it up in his sophomore year, there’s a chance he could be in the running by the time Phillips’ contract is over.

            There’s always a chance that Karlsson doesn’t want to added responsibility of being the captain you know.

          • spezzerman

            sure but he isnt going to be our NEXT captain which was the implication I was responding to.

        • Pasky

          Lets at least wait to see if he even makes the team before talking like this. I don’t see why he wouldn’t but still a chance.

    • CaMo

      You sir, are high. I don’t think Lazar is Landeskog.

      • Keregan

        Yeah Lando is a bust :P

    • TookieIs100PercentRight

      You been reading Peter Toomanyvowels again on that other site, had the Lazar as “C” idea posted a week ago lol.

  • AutoTurris

    Is Stastny set on a contender, or the highest bidder? I know we are neither, just wanting some more info on the whole situation

    • FistsofNeil25

      He’ll probably go to the contender that offers the best contract. I doubt he’d accept a big contract from a bottom feeder.

      • A-Train

        I wonder how much better he’d do in that scenario than whatever Colorado offers. How many true contenders have top dollar available for Stastny? St.Louis I guess. More moves to shake out before this gets done.

      • Tooks

        Of course he will check his options. He probbaly has desire to stay in COL for a little discount but he also wants to see what other contenders are willing to throw at him. He aint gonna accept more to go play with a mediocre team, IMO.

    • A-Train

      Seems to be budgetary concerns in Colorado. I’m guessing he feels he can get a bigger payday elsewhere and is weighing whether staying in Colorado with a good young group is worth a bit of a discount.

  • Cassidaus

    Make Lehner the Captain.

    • Tooks

      A la Luongo!

  • In the Bleachers

    It’s almost time for BM to pull somebody out of the NHL Bargain Bin.
    I wonder who it will be this year ?
    Hopefully someone who will play more games than Joltin’ Joe Corvo.

    • A-Train

      Bertuzzi.

      • In the Bleachers

        Tootoo ?

        • A-Train

          “Hard”

        • Keregan

          God lord no

          • In the Bleachers

            that’s what I said about Corvo
            (I actually sort of like him but just knew that he wasn’t a PM type of player)

          • Keregan

            what a backend insurance that was :)

          • In the Bleachers

            Hey – Joe Version one scored a big goal for us back in the day

      • In the Bleachers

        HMMMMMM – could work – well known to PM I think

      • Pasky

        I thought of that too as something they would do unfortunately.

      • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

        Bertuzzi joins the team and I won’t watch a game until he is gone

        • runningbear1974

          agree… Need to focus on good quality character… That has to be the #1 priority…

        • Tooks

          Bertuzzi is our next Captain, he ant afraid of no one, he will break your neck…

    • Rafi Bomb

      Andy Miele, Steve Downie, Harry Zolnierczyk, Dustin Penner, Brian Boyle

  • FBP

    It’s getting weird here. We need some news.

    • CaMo

      Spezza for Lebron James

      • FistsofNeil25

        Bobby would have to give up the #6.

    • In the Bleachers

      Don Brennan is a transvestite

    • FistsofNeil25

      If you want to pass the time then I would recommend turning on Bouchard vs Hantuchov. Wimbledon knew what they were doing when they made these white tennis outfits mandatory.

    • SensChirp

      I’m going to be away from the computer for a couple hours. Usually means news is coming.

      • CUP 2014-15

        bring back the good stuff Chirp

        • Tooks

          $5 he comes back with Gryba news, so saddening…

          • Keregan

            but but Gryba was our best +/-def it gotta count for something :)

            oh and that’s such a manly beard

  • Zelle

    I like the idea of EK being the captain because he seemed to up his game when wearing the A, but at the same time feel it should go to someone who’s always playing to up their game. I also like the idea of Turris being the captain but when I watched the Lehner wrap up and he seemed puzzled as to why Turris was leading the stretching for a day, a spot usually reserved for the team leaders, it made me wonder if the team really sees him as a ‘go-to’ guy for leadership. As much as I love Methot and Ryan and want them to sign extensions I don’t feel either should wear the C. Then there is MacArthur who seems to have an honesty about him that could cut through stubbornness which might help the team adopt PM’s system. He also seems calm under pressure, good team player, hard working on the ice. I question a bit if he’s as hard working off the ice though.

    All to say… I hope they go with no captain.

    • Keregan

      No way we’re giving the C to another heartless swenden bums :P No but seriously it gotta be King K, He is the face of the franchise now. I also think that MacArthurs has showed he got some big balls this years he was doing it all. The most pleasent surprise for me this year.

      • Tooks

        I agree CMac was great but he’s not even a year into a Sens jersey, what message would that send to our homegrown talent “You all suck”. All our core players have came from another team haha.

        • Keregan

          Don’t worry man i understand all this, but since the only two remaining players from ouy SCF push are Phil and Neil and with Spezz gone we need some kind of identity back real quick. I could see him being tag with an A

          • Tooks

            Yeah we might have no choice as nobody fits the bill at the moment. But like FoN25 said, its gonna be hard for Management to remove the A’s from 4 & 25.

          • Keregan

            indeed i donno if it’s okay to say but i wish we could get rid of both

  • Jakester

    Alfie will be resigned on July 1st to a one year contract and will be our Captain again for one year! He’ll play 3rd line right wing!

    • Tooks

      Not a chance as long as Melnyk and Murray are here.

      • KJ

        I’ll say no also, but not for that reason. I think he really enjoyed playing with his Swedish pals and would like another crack at it, if he is up for playing one more year.

        • Sandy

          If he isn’t signed in Det tomorrow, would Boston come calling?

          • KJ

            maybe. I doubt it though. don’t believe he wants to move his family again. If he comes back, my bet is one more with DET.

      • Sandy

        Murray wasn’t the issue with Alfie. It’s all Melnyk.

    • Lucretia

      He has let Det know that he wants to play next year, sorry to rain on your parade.

      • Hax

        Except Detroit is “luke warm” on the idea of bringing him back.

        Not saying Ottawa would or Alfie would come here though.

  • AutoTurris

    So no news on a Gryba signing eh?

    • CaMo

      He is so average…. I almost hope they don’t sign him.

      • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

        He is a great bottom pairing giy

      • In the Bleachers

        average and PHYSICAL
        every team needs a couple of these as 5/6/7 D-Men
        it’s all about him getting the appropriate contract for that
        level of player

      • Tooks

        He would fit in perfecty on this avg team, no?

        • CaMo

          Maybe I’m just a Gryba hater, but i just don’t think he’s anything worth keeping around long term.

          • Pasky

            Long term no, 1 or 2 year contract is ok considering how little RHD we have anyways.

      • Keregan

        i still don’t understand how he manage to be our highest +/- def this year

    • CUP 2014-15

      Too bad, I think he is going to be traded and if most fans get their way we will add Boyle, call up Wideman instead of Cleasson and before you know it our D will average around 5’11″ and 180 pounds.

  • NickofTime

    Eric Karlsson would be a terrible choice for captain just as I said about Spezza when you had this exact same article about Spezza being your choice back then. Just because Karlsson is our best player doesn’t mean he should be captain. That nonsence started with Gretsky being named Captain at a very young age which is kind of funny since Messier his teammate is considered the best captain since the leadership award is named after him. Dustin Brown & Mike Richards IMO are two of the best examples of good captains these days & Karlsson is too young, a defensive liability & at times shows a poor work ethic. Not surprisingly, Chris Neil or Zack Smith is not one of your choices.

    Unless they plan on trading Chris Neil, IMO they should make him captain, he plays a regular shift & to the chagrin of most on here who want to get him traded the coach seems to love him. There is no denying his work ethic or the fact he wears his heart for this team on his sleeve. He lives in the area, does a ton of community work, has become very well spoken & always sticks up for his teammates unlike others who hide behind him. This is the kind of guy you want to lead your team or rally around, the type of guy who gets into someones face if they are not pulling their weight. He doesn’t wait for someone else to do it or think it’s not his place, he does what needs to be done & quickly tries to nip it in the bud, we know he has in the past.
    That’s what this team needs, strong effective leadership with GUTS. Not a small soft little player who will be to affraid to talk to players or voice his opinionso as to not ruffle others feathers or be afraid they won’t like him any more. This team has had enough Captains who don’t say anything but try to get along, they need a vocal guy, to stand up & be counted on, to call guys out & Neil is the one guy on this team who has the cache to do just that. I don’t want a little weinner who is also known as a diver as captain & you shouldn’t either what kind of message does that say about our team. Karlsson is an elite offensive player but he is certainly not captain material just yet.

    • Tooks

      Chris Neil is a GOON, a 4th line player…not a Captain in the National Hockey League, we would be the laughing stock of the League.

      • Keregan

        i’ll go as far as saying that if we want to have a chance to succeed we need to play him only when we’re facing physical/rival team like TOR BOS etc Otherwise he should be scratch. The Neil who was putting 15g/15a is kinda gone….

        • Rafi Bomb

          I disagree with this. Neil doesn’t need to be a healthy scratch on a regular basis.

          We will have to wait to see his on ice performance this season. He , along with the majority of the roster struggled last season if that continues and he regresses further then I see your point about scratching him. If he bounce back then there is no reason to scratch him.

          The best use for Neil is in a 4th line energy role. Last year he was being used on our 3rd line with SMith and Greening to shutdown the opposition’s first line. They worked well in spurts but often received greater ice time than they should have been allotted. A big reason for this was likely that MacLean wasn’t satisfied with the performance of the other lines and wanted them to simplify their games and play with greater intensity and physicality. Therefore he would overuse that line to send a bit of a message to the rest of the team on how he wanted them to play. If Neil is on the 4th line next season with two other big hitters/ agitators then MacLean can limit their ice time and primarily use them to stir the pot and boost the energy of the team.

          • CUP 2014-15

            Well Rafi, I don’t agree at all that Neiler should ever wear the C but you are 100% bang on in my opinion when it comes to hating to loose and leaving it all on the ice. I like having him on this team and think he is good for the younger players.

          • Hax

            Yeah I agree. Neil can contribute a lot on the forecheck as well. I can recall a bunch of times watching games where the opposing D are scared to go back on dump ins because Neil has been flying in all game long. He can skate a regular shift without ever fighting.

            Yeah he’s offside too much and gets the occasional “reputation penalty” but he’s far from a one-dimensional goon.

            I wouldn’t have him as captain though. He can lead enough with an A (or without even).

          • Sensnation

            Agreed Hax.

            When did Neil become a pure 4th line goon? Never in his career has he had this role, yet more than 50% of sens fans seem to believe that’s what he is. He’s been one of the best 3rd liners in the league for years, so happy to have him on this team.

          • Hax

            Well I would say that I’d rather see him on the fourth line – only because that would mean our top 9 is strong enough that Neil can focus on “energy”.

          • Keregan

            if he can find a way to limits his PIM it could work. I have great respect for Chris, he is a real warrior no doubt and has been one of the best in the past, but last year he was overuse like you mention and it often cost us with bad penalties. My concern is with Ryan/Stone/Lazar/Condra/whatever we get in the Spezz trade/ and Neil there wont be much spot left. So my question is where do you slot him ? Souldn’t we try to go with more skills on the 3rd line with a guy like Lazar ? Souldn’t we play a guy like Condra instead who play a responsible game but doesn’t take useless penalty ? That’s why i’m not so sure about his futur with us :(

      • Rafi Bomb

        I think you are unnecessarily criticizing Neil. The adjectives that you are utilizing are quite disparaging and a poor assessment of the value he adds to this team.

        I understand and agree with your criticism of naming a player Captain who has somewhat limited skill and is playing in the bottom six or bottom pairing but your approach seems more like a personal bias. Maybe you has some kind of strong dislike for physical play and fighting.

      • NickofTime

        We’re already a laughing stock of the league with both our last two captains wanting out & with an owner who keeps his wallet shut but not his mouth.

    • FistsofNeil25

      Neil is not captain material. Off the ice he may show a lot of leadership qualities, but on the ice he does not.

      You don’t give the captaincy to a guy who should be playing no more than 8-10 minutes a night. You’ve gone from one extreme (Karlsson) to the next (Neil).

      I think we need something in between.

      • Rafi Bomb

        Your first statement is incorrect. Neil shows a lot of the characteristics on the ice that you look for in an ideal captain. His primary limitation is his skill level. If he was a second liner he would be perfect candidate much like Dustin Brown in LA or Brenden Morrow when he was in Dallas. But given the fact that he doesn’t have that kind of skill it would be better to pick a player that has a similar compete level and on ice intensity as well as being able to play in the top six or top four.

        • FistsofNeil25

          If we’re going to give the captaincy to a guy based on his compete level than we may as well consider Greening or Gryba as well. These guys compete just as hard.

          You need to do a lot more on the ice than just compete hard. You need to be a smart player. You need to be well respected by the opponent and officials. You need to be a somewhat disciplined player.

          Again, Neil does not fit the description of an on ice leader.

          • Rafi Bomb

            What is your assessment of Dustin Brown?

            IMO he compares fairly well to Neil in terms of overall physicality and abrasiveness. But instead of having the fighting ability he has the ability to score and make plays.

          • FistsofNeil25

            That’s the difference between Brown and Neil thought right? He’s a difference maker on the score sheet.

            I think a team’s captain should be the total package.

      • Zelle

        The thing I worry about the most for Neil being captain is talking to the referees. It’s a bit tough to do that if you’re the one most consistently in the penalty box. I love Neil but he is not my C choice.

      • NickofTime

        Neil is captain material as much as any other player on this team. He was drafted by Ottawa, has been a lifer as a Senator, took a home town discount to stay here, wears his love for his team on his sleeve, protects his teammates, plays every shift hard & plays a lot more than most here want him too. He was PMs choice for captain over Spezza if what we read is correct & we know the coach loves him because of all the ice time he gets. He is respected around the league with players & refs & IMO is a much better choice & more deserved over every other player on this team.

  • Sensnation

    Karlsson is nowhere close to ready for captaincy. His shortcomings are often effort and heart driven. If he can’t even get nominated for the Norris with that many points, he doesn’t deserve to be the captain either. Hell even Neil would be a better pick, because he actually gives a damn.

    • CaMo

      And the Karlsson whipping begins…

      • Sensnation

        Began long time ago, right around the time he floated back to his own zone.

        • CaMo

          Of all the guys to slam though… our best player.

          • Sensnation

            Our best player is Spezza until he gets traded. And I’ve been hearing him get slammed for years. IMO more chance you can win with one of those types at forward winning most faceoffs than on D playing 25+mins a night.

          • CaMo

            That says something about our fan base doesn’t it? Always aching over negatives in players that other teams would give a left nut to have.

          • Sensnation

            Yes it does, our fan base is pretty sad these years. A lot of clash between the long time supporters and the new fans who expect cup or bust.

            But Karlsson is 24, anyone who suggested giving the captaincy to Spezza that young would have been met with the same criticisms. At that age unless you’re a Toews type, there’s just too much learning and maturing to do to be able to lead a winning team.

          • CaMo

            I don’t entirely disagree, however the Sens when Spezza was 24 and the Sens now couldn’t be more different.

          • Sensnation

            True Spezza et al brought us to a cup around that age. If we’re saying this next decade will be more no shows for the playoffs, then by all means give the C to anyone they want.

          • Tooks

            Well nobody seems to be giving a left nut for Spezza, Berglund anyone?

          • CaMo

            LOL spezza in his prime years though? Karlsson now? Trust me, left nuts would be given.

          • C.J.

            classic case of the fairweather ottawa fan in its natural habitat

          • runningbear1974

            No, it’s normal… There are blind fans, and there are hyper-critical fans…

          • Tooks

            Alfie and Spezza have been slamed for year, why is Karlsson any different? lol. Blood is blood.

          • CaMo

            Alfie got slammed really early on , sure but in his last 6 or 7 years of captaincy nobody with half a brain blamed him for a thing. Spezza only continued to get ripped because he didn’t seem to learn a thing about turnovers at the blue line his whole career. Give Karlsson a few years is what I’m saying.

      • Rafi Bomb

        It isn’t Karlsson whipping. He is making an accurate assessment that Karlsson shouldn’t be named Captain simply because of his skill. If he does than he will face a lot of heat because he doesn’t yet fully embody the characteristics and one ice elements of a high end captain. He could certainly earn that this season, but at this point he isn’t ready.

        Spezza was a similar case in that he didn’t embody the characteristics of a high end captain and was named one because of his skill. No player should ever be named captain simply based off their skill. Similarly it usually isn’t a good idea to name a player a captain either if you are relying solely on their character. That is why depth players rarely if ever get named captain.

        What is the ideal is the blend of the two. A player that is extremely competitive and will do anything in their power to win as well as being skilled. Players like Dustin Brown., Zdeno Chara, Ryan Getzlaf and Jonathan Toews are the ideals. Other good examples are Mike Richards, Patrice Bergeron, and Corey Perry.

        That is what we need to look or in our next captain.

        • FistsofNeil25

          The closest thing we have to fitting that description is MacArthur.

          • Keregan

            Agreed

          • Rafi Bomb

            At this point I have to agree. He seems to have excellent character. I watched him in key games where the team was struggling and he would throw a massive hit and then go beat the shit out of somebody. It was interesting to see that he has that element in his game as he is excellent in all three zones and plays with a ton of intensity, but that level of physicality and aggression was something latent in his game. It gives me a lot of confidence that he will be a key player for us in the playoffs and could be a Justin Williams type for us.

            I also liked what I heard from his interviews where he very accurately and openly criticized the team for letting down the fans. If he gets named captain, I think he would likely do an admirable job at it.

          • Sensnation

            Could you imagine the storyline, from Leafs reject, to best UFA signing, to captain. I could live with that if he’s respected by his teammates to that level.

          • sprucesens

            same could be said for turris.

          • Sensnation

            True, though Leafs reject means more in these parts than Coyotes reject ;)

            LEAFS SUCK!!!

      • Tooks

        And it wont stop until he’s gone, lol.

      • Mr. Seller

        Got to admit, some of it is well deserved. A captain gives is 100% every game, not just when things are going well. Karlsson has a hard time getting motivated when the team is not playing well, That’s just a fact. The problem is who else merits the captaincy? Methot, Ryan, Turris and MacArthur would all be deserving but none have been around for more than 2 years so we don’t know where their loyalty lies yet. So Karlsson may very well end up with the C and I wouldn’t be against it for the sole reason it could motivate him. Not to mention, it would send a strong signal from the organization that they are committed to him long-term.

    • FistsofNeil25

      You’ve been quiet for a couple months Sensnation!

      • Sensnation

        It’s a depressing year in the media and on the boards. Everyone so interested in the big story/change instead of the best decisions/directions for the team. Couple months ago Paul Maclean was gone too

        • FistsofNeil25

          Unfortunately it’s difficult to really decipher what’s truth and what isn’t surrounding the team these days.

          We don’t know what truly happened with Alfie. We don’t know if Spezza actually did outright request a trade. We don’t how the team actually stands financially etc etc

          Us fans will never know the real story it seems. All we can do is make our best judgements of each situation based off of the information we’ve been given… and we don’t even know how accurate any of the information is.

          • CUP 2014-15

            BINGO!!!!!!!!!

          • Sensnation

            Alfie got greedy and the team got cheap both at the same time. Either side should have been willing to give in, instead they split. The specifics over who said what, when don’t really matter. He wanted to be given more money to make up for his previous last year on a frontloaded contract. Either way both sides were wrong.

            Spezza is an extreme student of the game and has always wanted to spend his entire career with the same team. Being named captain last year was the continuation of fulfilling that dream. But he’s getting older and if the team is rebuilding again around Turris and Lazar instead of going for it, it makes sense he’d be open to a trade instead of dealing with fans who want to trade him every year. I still won’t be surprised to see him here come the fall.

    • AutoTurris

      Holy fuck. The guy Swedish and living in a country he didn’t grow up in. He got his Achilles tendon severed. He got divorced. His best friend left town. The kid is only 24 years old, yet despite all that, he put up 74 points. He didn’t get a Norris nom becaus eof his +/- but after what EK65 has been through I sure am fucking proud of him and know he’s a fucking leader whether you meatheads wanna rip on him or not.

      • CUP 2014-15

        Great way to lay it out there Auto but please don’t sugar coat it next time

      • Tooks

        A great player no doubt but not a Leader, yet. He’s the exact same type as Spezza, offensively brilliant but lacking on D and work ethic, and this is pre Achilles.

        • AutoTurris

          Do I think he’s ready for captaincy? No, I’ve said before that I think those in the locker room find him a bit strange. That said, I still think he leads through the goddamn way he plays hockey.

          • Tooks

            Really? His hockey play is very unpredictable, he can be great one night and completely shit the next. He has major defensive flaws and looks like he is more into getting on the scoresheet than doing the little things to win games. Now….

            He’s by far our best player and one of the best players in the entire NHL, top 5 for sure. But he is a high risk player.

          • AutoTurris

            Very nearly an oxymoronic post there Tooks, but I understand what you are saying. I don’t fully agree with it, but hey, I get it.

            All I’m saying is; if EK becomes the next poster boy for what is wrong in Ottawa, him leaving will be what is wrong with Ottawa.

          • C.J.

            m’yess… quite the oxymoron Tooks

        • Aaron 2.0

          Comments about his leadership capabilities and work ethic are baseless. The speed that he returned to playing after a severed Achilles certainly don’t suggest a lack of work ethic…

      • SensChirp

        Sensnation got told.

        • Sensnation

          ???

  • clarkeinthedark

    A big no to Karl. Love the guy to death and one of my fav players in hockey, but he’s not ready for this yet. Having the C on his jersey would do more bad than good.

    • sprucesens

      nice pic

  • In the Bleachers

    and Tookie’s Italianos ARE GOING HOME

    ALL THE WAY URUQUAY

    • bluebuyyoo

      Suarez was definitely hungry for some Italian today. If reviewed, he could be gone along with Uruguay’s chances.

      • FistsofNeil25

        Netherlands are winning it all anyway!

        • Tooks

          Yeah no kidding, Van Persie is back, watch out!

        • AutoTurris

          I’ve been saying Germany since April. Germany is going to eviscerate the States and then hoist that golden little nugget.

    • Tooks

      I only like Italian food!

  • CaMo

    So if Karlsson IS named captain, how many will be upset with that?
    I feel like it’s a lot.

    Some guys thrive in the captaincy role, if he gets the C, I would bet these shortcoming everyone is talking about will disappear and he and our team will be all the better for it.

    • Tooks

      His shortcomings wont just disappear, lol. Its not like his defensive game just got bad last year, its always been an issue, its the style of game he plays, high risk, high reward. I dont even think he cares about them to be honest and thats why they keep happening, IMO he thinks he needs to score more to balance them. IMO he doesnt want to focus on his defensive game and he shouldnt. Like Bobby Orr said “Guys like him, you have to let them play, good or bad”

      He brings alot of bad but we all hope he brings more good this year.
      IMO he aint Captain material, ever, and thats not a bad thing. Turris will probably end up with it eventually.

      • CaMo

        I think what I’m saying is he’ll become more consciously responsible because he’s wearing the C in the areas he knows he needs to improve. I think that’s logical.

      • FistsofNeil25

        Before this season happened I can’t recall anyone ever mentioning the words “Karlsson” and “weakness” in the same sentence. The year he won the Norris he was good defensively. Not amazing, but still very good. This last season he was bad defensively. So which Karlsson is the real Karlsson?

        He had plenty of struggles on and off the ice this year. Let’s see how he rebounds this year. We could still be talking about his weaknesses a year from now, but we very well could be talking about how he’s on of the best players, not just defenseman, in the world

        I don’t know if he’ll ever be a player worthy of being the captain, but like you said, it’s not a bad thing. Patrick Kane isn’t worthy of being the captain of a hockey team but I would take him on my team over pretty much any right wing in the game.

        I hope people are patient with Karlsson the next couple years before really judging what kind of player and person he’s going to be.

        • Sensnation

          I think that’s what gets lost the most in my anti-captaincy statements. I don’t think Karlsson is bad, he’s is easily a generational talent on D, but when we start acting like a C will cure his shortcomings or ignoring that they exist all together, then I can’t support it. I love having him on this team, great player, but not a leader at least yet and still to be determined if teams can win in today’s NHL with a #1dman like that.

    • KJ

      it will be interesting to see how it shakes down. Its certainly not his skill level at question or his will to win. its his maturity level, and communication skills that may need some seasoning before he dawns the “C”. If he were chosen, I would not be unhappy about it.

    • C.J.

      well hes leading the poll that chirp posted, so i guess the majority would be happy

      • Sensnation

        42% majority? ;) hehe

        • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

          Hahahaha.. If it’s good for a majority government, I suppose why not here too

        • C.J.

          majority doesnt just mean 50% percent or more… it means the greater number ie the greater number of votes

  • Jason P.

    Personally I think if Spezza is traded they should also ship out Phillips and Neil and just say “we’re moving in a new direction leadership – wise.” Give Turris the C, Methot and MacArthur the A’s.

    • Sensnation

      Agreed, don’t want it to happen, but if Spezza is gone we might as well become the full Oilers of the East and get this shit show started. Best case we’re more like Nashville of the East and can at least compete a bit with good two way play.

      • Jason P.

        I think we have a great young core (Turris, Karlsson, Zibanejad, Cecil, etc.) A few veterans like MacArthur and Methot. Depending on the Spezza return I think we have the 0otential to be better than a lot of people think next year. Just depends on Spezza return and how Cowen, Zibanejad & Lehner do this year. We could be Colorado East. Also Lazar has got to start the yes here. It makes sense.

        • Sensnation

          Great core for sure, but if Spezza is gone we may not have the elite skill needed to beat the top teams and top goaltenders on a regular basis. I agree though, we are in for a good future, but at some point top end skill will be needed to win a cup, whether it be through Zibanejad, Turris et al reaching that next level or through acquisition down the line.

    • sprucesens

      don’t care who get’s the c’s and a’s but I agree on trading out the old guard. sign a vet UFA that is much younger. If we move down, oh well, its a great draft. If we go up, we’ll have that much more experience to a young squad that is going to be together for a long time. …..but it won’t happen

    • Hax

      Don’t trust anyone over 30 huh?

      • Tooks

        You mean:
        Don’t trust anyone over 30 who plays like they are 50 :)

    • ill district

      Agree. Our rebuild was on track – and the owner has made it clear that the ORG still intends to build depth rather than make a go for it.

      We make a pitch for a top 3 winger to play with our PPG center, clear that the two had chemistry. Then he offers him COLIN GREENING cash . Boom we lose 9MM, Hemsky and likey 19SP.

      So, let’s move the vet’s, bring in some prospects and make room for the young guns in bingo.

  • Miguel

    sorry for my lack of optimism these days, but really who cares who is named as the captain??? All I really know is that it cannot be Philips, as he cant play anymore, and should be our 8th d-man. And it does not matter who captains this team if we do not make serious changes to imporve on it.
    And who cares of we sign MM9, his best years are long behind him and we are again giving someone their retirement package.
    Real question is why do all the players that I could care less about want to stay in Ottawa, Phillips, Neil, MM9,and the ones that really love to watch, Alfie, Spezza, Hemsky want to leave… sorry but my mood is matching the weather today,
    Go Redblacks Go!!!

    • Hax

      Do you have good moods?

      • Tooks

        When the Sens win!

    • C.J.

      umm retirement package? michalek isnt even 30 lol, sign him for two years and there ya go he can leave after that and be replaced by a pros

      • Miguel

        yes but he plays like he is 40! goes int with carton of eggs, and comes out with not one broken!

  • Max2166

    Chirp leaving the computer for a few hours, must be a big scoop. Maybe I get my wish and Greening is traded.

    • AutoTurris

      Well you jinxed it now!

    • Miguel

      no that would bring me right out of my Doldrums :-)

  • MethotToMyMadness

    Has anyone been looking over the Draft class this year? I haven’t been, but with all the draft talk going on and the TSN showcasing lately, I started peeking more and more at who is out there. There seems to be a complete swirl over who is considered the #1, everyone has someone different, from TSN, THN, ISS, Hockeyprospects, McKeens, etc.

    Personally, I think it’s hard to find a 6’4, 216lb D who can play now, so I consider Ekblad the favorite. But you cannot deny the runner ups, in Reinhart, Bennett, Draisaitle and Dal Colle. Now behind them, it seems to be a coin toss, which is usually the case. Not to say there won’t be a few great players selected later on who shine later on down the road, as that always happens. But look at the top 5, I think any of those guys would make a team better.

    If I had to pick someone in the top 10, that may go higher than most have listed, I’d say Haydn Fleury, currently listed at 8th. The only other D in the top 15, he’s big at 6’3, 207lbs and he has a very solid scouting report of being defensively sound, who can transition. And there is just something about these WHL guys lately.

    • CaMo

      Sam Bennett will be a stud in the NHL. So shifty, crazy speed, wicked hands and a killer wrist shot. He scored a hat-trick when I went and saw him play in Kingston this year. He may not be able to do a pull-up but he also is a feisty player, he was hitting and trying to fight people. based on what I’ve seen of him live, and heard, I would take him #1.

      Eckblad could turn out to be another Larsson.

      • AutoTurris

        I agree, if I had 1st, I’d take Bennett.

        • MethotToMyMadness

          Both Sam’s have at least 3 different groups who rate them as #1 overall. While TSN listed Ekblad, none of the other Rankings have him at #1. Strange how that could be?

          And I really do think the whole pull-up situation has hurt Bennett in his overall rankings. But that little mishap could be a bright spot for any team who grabs him late, because others decide to pass on him. Maybe it was all a ploy to keep teams like Florida, Buffalo, Edmonton and Calgary from picking him, lol. Then again, NYI are 5th and I doubt he would slide that far.

          • AutoTurris

            Be awesome if we could snag the 3rd from the Oilers and then get Bennett. I mean, I wouldn’t give any integral pieces away but I wonder what the asking price is. Hmmmmmmm.

          • MethotToMyMadness

            I have to ask. As an NHL GM, would you not be the slightest concerned with the fact Bennett didn’t show enough strength to do a pull-up? Not that it’s integral to being an NHL player, but it does show some lack of physical ability, does it not?

            Personally, i find it hard to believe that a male, age anywhere from 14 to 30, even if you have a few extra pounds on you, can’t do 1 single pull-up. How is that physically possible?

          • Hax

            He’s only 178lbs as well. If he was over 200 I could see it maybe.

            It is hard for bigger guys – for anyone under 200 try strapping some extra weight to get you over 200 and see how many you can do. Properly.

            Lots of guys can I’m sure but it’s tough for bigger guys.

          • FistsofNeil25

            I’m about 6’0” and 195 lbs and even I can do more than one proper pull up. It’s mind boggling that Bennett couldn’t and he’s an aspiring pro athlete and I’m just a guy who sits on my ass refreshing Senschirp and twitter every 15 minutes lol

          • Hax

            Not saying it’s not a bit odd of course. Especially since you’d assume he’s known for a long time it’s part of the pre-draft testing. Realistically that specific motion isn’t a huge part of hockey so training it isn’t the same as bench press or something. And it is the type of exercise that if you don’t work at it you’ll suck. But given that he’d have known that he’d be tested you’d think he’d mix it in on back day so he could do a few.

          • Hax

            Haha – just reading through some of the comments on the TSN article about Bennett and the pullups. Seems like most people commenting don’t know what a pullup is exactly. If he couldn’t do a single chinup that would be scary, but not being able to do a perfect pullup isn’t exactly unimaginable. Odd, sure. But nothing he can’t fix if somehow they add a way to score goals with your lats.

          • AutoTurris

            Well that all depends… Was it their first exercise, how fatigued was he, etc… I find it hard myself to do pull-ups after other exercises and I’m 6’4, 190lbs. Could have just been an off thing, he’s a damn good hockey player though.

          • Morgan

            And some how he still lit it up, I think it could turn out to be a good thing, that means he has a lot of room to improve . Imagine how much more he would have lit it up if he had been more physically mature, which is gonna happen over time.

          • Tooks

            I’m not gonna lie but it is freaking strange the kid couldnt do 1 pull up.

          • spezzerman

            Did you hear the TSN guys talking about how Spezza called him personally to tell him not to listen to that BS. use it as motivation, etc, etc.

            Apparently, he can do a pull up, there was something about the technique or something they asked him to try when he couldnt do it. Pretty sure I remember them saying something likethat last night

          • CaMo

            Like I said above, I can see Ekblad slipping similarly to what Adam Larsson did a few years back. Fairly similar players as well.

      • Sensnation

        Adam Larsson or Ekman-Larsson? Either way I’d take him and never look back, though Bennett looks sweet too.

        • CaMo

          Adam Larsson. Is what I was thinking. Not a bad pick by any means but I’m not sure if the #1 ranking is bang on.

          Where I see Bennett being comparable to a Havlat. High end talent for sure.

          • Sensnation

            Ah ok, ya Adam’s had a bit of a tough start to his career, but he’s still only 21. Considering most D take longer to develop, he’s at least 3-5 years from bust status. I’d take him over Tyler Myers right now. But yes Bennett’s skills are real and hard to ignore.

          • CaMo

            I never said bust. Just not worth wasting a first overall pick on.

          • Sensnation

            All I’m saying is it’s too early to tell. If he becomes their franchise dman, that’s what Lou covets more than anything for his teams.

          • CaMo

            True, but looking back at the draft wouldn’t Sean couturier (arguably one of the better young defensive centres going) , Dougie hamilton, or Brodin made for better options EVEN as Lou Lam looking for sound defence? and none of those ever had #1overall ranking. All I’m saying here is be weary of the ranking #1 overall for a young guy who is physically ready such as Ekblad and Larsson.

          • Sensnation

            Couturier’s ceiling is too low, Dougie Hamilton should have been picked ahead of most people that year, including our very own Zibanejad, but again Larsson has the higher ceiling even to this day. Our scouting staff had Hamilton rated higher, but our need was different at the time.

            Brodin isn’t in the convo yet imo. Ekblad was also given exceptional status to get to junior early. Those players are few and far between and should be looked at a bit differently than the others as he’s able to do the same thing younger, which in theory would hint that (not a guarantee) his prime will be even better.

          • CaMo

            Usually those exceptional status guys are high end offensive guys though right? not D. I’m trying to get across that D men are more difficult to project, and if I’m walking into this draft with the #1 pick, I don’t take a defence man. I take the high end, high ceiling guys, much like what went down in the 2011 draft.

          • Sensnation

            Yup, both schools of thought are valid. Some want to roll the dice on high risk/high reward offence later in draft while taking the dependable types that you know will be NHL players to some extent, others want the offensive players. Many different ways to build a team or draft players successfully. Many teams have gone the way you’re describing only to find out that Daigle can’t play a two way game or score at the same clip in the NHL. Again both ways are valid and used, projections are inaccurate at the best of time on both forwards and d alike.

    • Tooks

      Hey man good post!

      Top 3 definitely have some major talent and would pick either of them but Draisaitl and Dal Colle are nothing special.

      If I had to pick out of the top 10 ro close to it, it would be Ehlers, dude can flat out fly and score. He made Drouin look silly :)

  • AutoTurris

    Thoughts on Gagner? I know he isn’t the greatest, but if the Oilers are still interested in Greening and getting a big D man like Boro, I’d do that. Relieves us of Greening’s contract, frees up some back end space and we get a solid 3C. Make it happen BM, snap snap!

    • Sensnation

      Gagner gets paid like a 2C (1C in Ottawa), we are deep at C, and Greening/Boro have little to no trade value. Edmonton is still stuck with Gagner because they want so much in return.

      • AutoTurris

        Oh, I thought they were trying to ship him off and that CG and MB would do it. Plus I’d rather have him be a 2C here and shelter MZ, but whatever, ain’t happenin

        • Sensnation

          Yes they have had him on the trade block for 2-3 years now. MacT came in saying he needs to make bold changes, but has done little of that so far. Sheltering MZ makes very good sense though.

        • sprucesens

          yeah, I think they could get better players from somewhere else for gagner. I don’t think he’s that great, and would sooner use him as the 3C to start letting zib get full top 6 minutes with other top 6 players. No point in trading spezza, then not promoting our future stars. Let them grow. We could have gagner to be the 2b center with other players, but he probably won’t be super effective in that role, and again, it’d take more than greening and boro.

          • AutoTurris

            Yeah I was just Armchair GMing and noticed that we could use a solid 3C. I mean, the whole roster I was looking at was predicated on Schwartz in return for Spezza, BUT I CAN DREAM AND YOU CAN’T TAKE THAT AWAY FROM ME

          • Sensnation

            Lol, very true and I wouldn’t want to. My dream involves Tarasenko. Him and Puempel on a line could wreck goalies down the line.

    • sprucesens

      yeah, I’d do that trade without thinking about it, which means its a bad deal for the oilers

  • sprucesens

    over in Eland “On Spezza…

    the Blackhawks are 100% talking to the Sens and they will 100% deny any conversations have taken place…The Blues and Ducks are possibilities…the Dallas Stars are stronger than you’d expect longshot…”
    toews for spezza. book it. lol.
    dallas could easily put a better package together than the blues if Berglund is the top piece coming back. Same with the ducks. Not sure what Chicago would be looking to do

    • AutoTurris

      Okay so let’s entertain the Hawks jumping in the race. Who could they string together to outbid the others?

      • CUP 2014-15

        Saad and a pick????

        • AutoTurris

          Saad is beyond untouchable.

          • CUP 2014-15

            Nobody is untouchable its just a matter of what else your willing to spend.

          • AutoTurris

            While that’s not not true, I think CHI will bow out of the Spezza-race and pursue other options before they offer Saad. I could be wrong, and am on board with you in wanting Saad. Just don’t think it’ll happen. Ever.

          • CUP 2014-15

            the only reason Iam rocking the boat here is that I believe that Spezz is going to be part of a much larger deal, maybe 6 or 7 pieces.

          • Tooks

            What are the pieces on our end being shipped out?

          • CaMo

            Spez and one of our borderline D men, or perhaps one or 2 of Greening/Smith/Condra. With 4 pieces coming back.

        • FistsofNeil25

          Saad won’t be going anywhere. He’s probably their 3rd most valuable forward after Toews and Kane due to age and cost.

          • CUP 2014-15

            SOOOO if your Cicago, you would say No to Spezza, Hoffman and CC, HELL Lets throw in a pick

          • FistsofNeil25

            They’re tight to the cap and Saad is still on his ELC.

            I follow the Hawks pretty closely because they’re my second favorite team. I think they’ll look to either trade Sharp straight up for a 2C, trade Sharp and add a 2C in separate deals, or stick with what they have and hope Tervainen can grab hold of the 2C next season.

            The emergence of Saad has really made Sharp expendable for a 2C.

          • CUP 2014-15

            Got ya, I just see BM turning this thing into a hell of a lot more then just Spezz. Hell if I am Chi. I would enquire as well but no way am I breaking up any core players unless there is a deal that you cant refuse.

          • MethotToMyMadness

            Tervainen will be a great player and will be at the 2C soon enough, but I don’t think it’s next year, that’s why Chicago is looking, because they need someone for next year. Still not sure what Ottawa could get back, because I see them being very picky with who is shipped out.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Yeah I can’t see Toews, Kane, Hossa, Saad, Keith, Seabrook or Hjalmarsson going anywhere.

            I would want Teravainen back as the centerpiece of the deal but I can’t see that either.

            That leaves Sharp, Shaw, Bickell, Kruger as available forwards, and Leddy and Oduya as available defensemen.

            Sharp wouldn’t waive his NTC for Ottawa and I’m pretty sure Murray would want younger pieces anyway, and any combination of Shaw, Kruger, Bickel, Oduya and Leddy likely isn’t good enough for Ottawa.

          • Tooks

            Yep thats a big fat no!

      • Tooks

        Ottawa: Methot, Spezza, Puempel, 2014 2nd, 2015 1st
        for
        Chicago: Kane, 2015 2nd (tell Kane he can have immunity on punching cab driver and hookers)
        :P

        • Sandy

          No way should the Sens give up their first rounder in 2015. It could be a top 10 pick in a very good draft.

    • CUP 2014-15

      This really smells like a shocker, I think we are going to see him go to a team not on that list and my guess is Arizona.

      • Sandy

        Vermette, Henrik Samuelsson & their 1st rounder.

    • Doc

      I’d take Sharp in a heart beat. Might resolve both team’s problems.

      • Keregan

        that will be a better return than Patrick freaking Berglund at least

      • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

        I love Sharp, but why would we get older?

        • Doc

          31?

      • Hax

        That was part of the rumor last week wasn’t it?

      • F5

        Oh God no! That would essentially kill the rebuild

      • Sandy

        He’s 32. Murray wants a younger player. I assume an RFA.

  • FistsofNeil25

    So if we are unable to re-sign Michalek, what UFA’s would you guys like to target? Unless we’re taking back a ton of salary in the Spezza trade or another deal, we’re going to need to sign a free agent just to reach the cap floor, let alone our internal budget figure of 56-57M.

    Jussi Jokinen
    Matt Moulson
    Radim Vrbata
    David Legwand
    Mason Raymond
    Olli Jokinen
    Derek Roy
    Dustin Penner
    Mikhail Grabovski
    Nikolai Kulemin
    Lee Stempniak
    Ray Whitney
    Daniel Winnik
    Devon Setoguchi
    Steve Downie
    Steve Ott
    David Booth
    Dominic Moore
    Brian Boyle

    That’s essentially the list of top nine forwards that won’t cost an arm and a leg like Vanek, Stastny or Cammalleri. That’s a sad looking group of UFA’s.

    • Hax

      I think you just clarified why Murray plans to keep Michalek.

    • Tooks

      Olli Jokinen, do it, lol!
      I would love Raymond!

      • Rafi Bomb

        Neither would be good additions.

      • Jakester

        Leave these scrubs for the Laughs!

    • CaMo

      Kuleman is my bet.

    • Miguel

      Jussi Jokinen, Raymond, or Setoguchi would be better than MM9 IMP

    • Aaron 2.0

      Without a whole tonne of though, I like Jokinen. Grabovki might be a good target. I think he’d be a good fit in the Sens system.

      • Sandy

        Apparently Grabovski & Kulemin want to play for the same team.

        • Max2166

          I do not think Eugene wants two Russian born players on his team these days. I think Grabovski would be great on the same line as MacArthur.

    • Sensnation

      It’s a weak UFA class for sure, lots of 2b and 3rd line players. If we need a captain get Ott, otherwise just stick with what we have and hope Hemsky doesn’t get what he’s looking for on open market.

      Legwand and Grabovski are good dark horses that could really help a lot of teams though at C. I’ve always liked Raymond, still hoping there’s untapped potential there, but not at the expense of our young guys losing minutes.

      • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

        Signing someone to be captain would be worse than alternating between Neil and Philips

        • Sensnation

          That’s your opinion, I don’t think either are captain material whereas Ott has proven he is and doesn’t mind leading during a rebuild. Either way though, neither are plan A or even B hopefully.

          • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

            I don’t think either should be captain either… Thats the point

          • Sensnation

            Ok? just looking to argue? I’m not saying this is what I want, I’m saying if that’s what we need he’s the best option in the UFA class for that role. Glad we could make something out of nothing though.

          • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

            All I am saying is that there are equally as good options on the team, all things considered I wouldn’t sign someone with the intention of making them captain… Why step on more toes and potentially piss off more people?

          • Sensnation

            The reason would be that the gm doesn’t think current roster has anyone ready or worthy. We aren’t in the locker room, hard to know exactly what’s needed.

            Again though, I’m not saying do it. I think the best option is keep Spezza there, 2nd best option is give it to Turris, though it’s 2-3 years early imo. 3rd best option is any of the other players current or future. Either way though, way out of my hands, was just saying Ott is a good UFA who can also be a good captain, if there were no other acceptable options to BM.

          • Mr. Seller

            If no current roster player merits the captaincy then no one gets a C on his jersey. You don’t go out looking to sign a captain. This team has more pressing needs than finding a someone who has the attributes of a leader. It would be nice to have but we have holes to plug and not all of them need to demonstrate locker-room leadership.

          • Sensnation

            I’m not saying do it, I’m saying if that’s what they do he’s the best option.

          • Jakester

            Still with the keep Spezza, told ya before Xmas last year that his days were up, c’mon Murray pull the trigger already! Team will be better without him! Still won’t admit TUrris is a good option for Captain, you’re pathetic bring OTT the great Buffalo leader, really worked for that team. Haha

          • Sensnation

            Learn to read. I’ve said multiple times Turris is the best option after Spezza. I’m allowed to like the players I like, just like you can cum all over Karlsson’s face every night before bed. But if you can’t understand the leadership qualities of an Ott or the context of the discussion, well ya Jakester it is.

          • Jakester

            OTT and Spezza played junior together , two great leaders learning from each other. Haha couldn’t make out what you were saying though with Spezza’s big turnover stick in your mouth.

          • Sensnation

            Yes we know reading and comprehension are not your strong suits.

          • Jakester

            I think your mommy is calling for your milky break!

          • FistsofNeil25

            You guys have the worst chirps.

          • Sensnation

            He can’t read, can’t write, can’t teach him shit, not much I can do.

          • Jakester

            Ott sucks.

          • runningbear1974

            short, and to the point…

          • Jakester

            Bingo

          • Harv

            If that is the rationale, leave Ott where he is and give it to McArthur. He is already here and has already stepped up.

    • Rafi Bomb

      Add Ryan Callahan and Dave Bolland to your list. I would also consider adding Andy Miele and Harry Zolnierczyk as potential “bargain pickups”.

      • FistsofNeil25

        I didn’t add Callahan to the list because the Sens wouldn’t even come close to offering him the type of contract he’s looking for.

    • MethotToMyMadness

      Vrbata, Vrbata, Vrbata!! Oh, did I mention Vrbata?

      • FistsofNeil25

        He’s the only one on that list that I would actually be happy to sign.

        • spezzerman

          If we dont get a Center back in a spezza deal, Id be okay with Grabovski for a year or two.

  • Sharmarke

    In my opinion Its gotta be Ryan. He is well spoken and showed how much he cares playing with that kind of injury last year. He was the one answering the reporters questions all year last year for the teams performance anyway. He always says the right things even after being snubbed for the US hockey team. He is the perfect age, hes got the experience and we have already made it very clear we want him here for the long haul. And the confidence vote will give him another reason to stay here.

    • Hax

      Only way it will be Ryan next season is if it becomes part of his extension. i.e. they need to make him captain for him to be willing to stay. That gets into dangerous territory if you ask me.

      Now, if he’s already a leader in the room and extends without any promise of being made captain that’s different of course. I have been impressed with him in all the ways you bring up.

      • Tooks

        I highly doubt he would request something silly like that.

    • Tooks

      Everyone plays with injuries…Answering the media is part of his contract. Ryan has always been the quiet type, since his days in Anaheim, he’s not one to speak up in the dressing rooms, he’s quite the shy person, I’ve met him and great guy and all but I dont see him as Captain material (again, not a bad thing).

  • jtf927

    things are starting to get really interesting. i am hoping the team signs 9mm. based on the list below, mason raymond and jussi jokinen would be some great pickups. although our focus should primarily be defense. i keep checking the blogs for any news about spezza. it is looking more and more like a deal will go down prior to or at the draft.

  • TookieIs100PercentRight

    I’d be wary of Karlsson as captain. I mean he’s obviously the best player on the team, but he’s a bit of a loose cannon with his statements. Attacking a sponsor on Twitter, saying “I’m not a ****ing God” or whatnot, saying he’ll never change his game. It shows a lack of maturity and so on. And if people picked on Spezza for a few stray passes oh boy…I hate what will happen if Karlsson has the “C”, the pressure is going to mount sky-high. I’d honestly go for Turris over him at the moment, T is a lot calmer, understated and there are no sky-high expectations over him.

  • AutoTurris

    Alright Chirp, lay it on us. Was there any news out there, any at all

  • Pasky

    No Captain for this year, make this team a leadership by committee for now and observe who steps up as a runaway leader when the team needs it most. Once that happens you can make them captain no problem. The fact is that Alfredsson left some big shoes to fill for this team, and Spezza almost turned out to be proof that you can’t fill them overnight. Give an A to Phillips permanently and the other 2 A’s you can rotate as necessary. Maybe start with Karlsson and Turris if that’s who the team wants to step up as Captain, but if say Ryan or MacArthur or Methot or Neil step up with injuries, or have a home team/road team system to pick assistant captains.

    Have this going on for 2 years I say, by that time Phillips should be retired, and if Neil isn’t retired make him a permanent 13th forward if he’s still effective. But personally I want him gone in 2 years as well. By then, our old guard will be completely gone from the 2007 team, the full rebuilt completed, and one of the young guys will have step up to be named Captain.

  • spezzerman

    Our next captain will be good if we win and bad if we lose. Its as simple, and stupid, as that.

  • ill district

    Where does Hemsky land? Can he get 6mil/year money on a competitive team?

    • spezzerman

      nope.

    • Max2166

      I do not think Hemsky will get 6 million a year. Maybe LA if they do not resign Gaborik.

    • Hax

      He’ll get around $4.5M on a multi-year deal or he might settle for a shorter deal to get $5M. Doubt anyone pays him $6M unless he finds his way to a cap floor team.

      • Sensnation

        Florida

  • FistsofNeil25

    I’m thinking Murray should get on the line with Stastny’s agent tomorrow and offer him big money just to drive up the price for other teams that are looking to sign him instead of trading for Spezza.

  • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

    Every time someone says something crazy enough in here to get tweeted out by Chirp…. I am secretly a little bit jealous

    • CaMo

      Hahaha

  • ZBADFORMAYOR

    signing Michelak is a massive mistake..he’s useless and washed up…did nothing all year until Hemsky arrived…and well he’s gone too. Let him walk we will be better off. Give the C to Neil and A’s to MacArthur and Karlsson

    • SensChirp

      You could take this part “he’s useless and washed up…did nothing all year” of your post and use it to describe the guy you think should be Captain. Good fourth line winger. Not a Captain.

      • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

        Haha point set and match

    • WaitingSince92

      Love the guy, but at this point in his career, Neil is next to useless. Drags linemates down, plays sheltered minutes and no longer chips in 10+ goals offensively. I’ll take Cunneyworth of him any day.

    • WaitingSince92

      At very, very worst (and I mean worst), signing Michalek would be a small mistake, not a massive one.

  • WaitingSince92

    Why, Chirp, do you not think MacArthur is a forerunner for the C? Karlsson and Turris both have more talent, sure, but we all know the captaincy doesn’t go to the most skilled player.

    A lot of things make a great captain, but to me, the most important is sacrifice. You see a guy take a vicious hit just so that he can dump it in and get a line change (Toews does this all the time). Your bench responds to that and you bring the level of play up for the whole team, much like Alfie. This is MacArthur to a tea. When pretty much everyone on our team was sucking, MacArthur was skating his ass off, taking and making hits, forechecking and generally playing a solid, complete game.

    • SensChirp

      I like MacArthur. And think the fact that he was even included in this discussion is a testament to the significant impact he has had on this team in such a short period of time.
      With that said, he has played one year with the team and is entering the final year of his contract. Not really an ideal situation to make someone Captain.

      • WaitingSince92

        Fair enough sir. I personally favour 3 A’s, but I hope they re-up MacA and give him the C. Maybe it will convince him to stay in Ottawa, like our last two capt- er…

  • Sens-fan-in-mtl

    It seems Chicago is looking to acquire a 2C, rumour has it that they are looking to shop Sharp, Oduya and possibly Seabrook…

    • Sens-fan-in-mtl

      never mind, i just checked the source – Nick Kypreos.

    • Max2166

      If it the rumour comes from Kypreos, we can forget it.

  • CaMo

    I’ve made it a habit to click the ads on the site every time I come on. Ever since chirp made that comment about his child needing to be fed. #CharityCase

    • jimmyjohnson

      I know it’s just a joke, but I really don’t don’t like the hashtag you put up here.

      He puts a lot of energy and time into running this site and keeping it fresh; and he never asks us to pay a cent. That’s pretty solid in my books.

      I think your joke is in bad taste.

      • CaMo

        Like you said, it was only a joke. The man runs a quality blog and gets paid for it, hardly charity. I’m sure he can handle it. Clearly you can’t though. If you’re so sensitive to this kind of joke I would suggest not going on the comment section anywhere on the internet.

        P.S That comment did nothing but remind people to click the ads. I’m helping if anything, so piss off soft tits.

        • jimmyjohnson

          Regardless of what you may think, people don’t like hearing their baby called a charity case, even in jest. They may smile in your face and laugh with you, but they probably think you’re a buffon with 0 class.

          Just fyi champ.

  • Rafi Bomb

    Hope_Smoke @Hope_Smoke · 18m
    LeBrun “Joe Thornton isn’t going anywhere unless Joe wants to go anywhere. That bears repeating”

    Hope_Smoke @Hope_Smoke · 16m
    LeBrun “at the end of the day, if Thornton or Marleau want to stay in SJ they will. Those guys are running the bus”

    What a shit show in San Jose. Maybe they will be forced to move Couture, Burns or Pavelski instead.

    • Max2166

      If I’m Bryan Murray, I would be talking to Doug Wilson about Logan Couture.

      • Rafi Bomb

        Like I said, the fact that Marleau and Thornton control where they want to play may force the Sharks to move a guy like Couture. I am not sure if they would want to replace him with a guy like Spezza but it could be worth having a conversation.

        • Sandy

          Not going to happen. Couture won’t be traded anytime soon.

        • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

          It’s crazy but it would take a lot more then Spezza IMHO

        • FistsofNeil25

          Doug Wilson said he wants to turn the team over to the young guys and mentioned the names or Couture and Vlasic in particular. He said he will not trade any young players or picks for veteran players, and that they will turn their main focus to developing and building.

          He said that he gave Marleau or Thornton the right to choose whether they want to be a part of the “rebuild” or be sent elsewhere.

          They aren’t forced to trade a guy like Couture just for the sake of change. They’re going to turn the team over to him instead of having Thornton and Marleau continuing to lead the way.

          Couture will be going absolutely no where.

          • Rafi Bomb

            Aren’t they actively shopping Thornton and Marleau but neither player wants to go anywhere other than San Jose?

          • FistsofNeil25

            They’re shopping them both because they want to rebuild. If neither is willing to move they aren’t going to turn around and trade 25 year old star Logan Couture. That’s the anti-rebuild.

            If Thornton and Marleau don’t want to waive that means SJ is stuck with them and let’s face it, that’s not the worst thing in the world right?

            SJ just won’t be trading prospects, picks, or good young roster players at this stage.

          • Rafi Bomb

            It is the anti-rebuild but it may be the only option available to them to restructure their team if Marleau and Thornton are unwilling to waive their NMC’s.

            I don’t think they want to move Couture or have much interest in moving him. But their options are somewhat limited in what they can do to alter their team going into next season.

          • FistsofNeil25

            It would never be an option though. They aren’t that desperate. Couture, Hertl and Vlasic would be untouchable barring a major overpayment.

        • KJ

          San Jose, won’t be taking on expensive Vets. the ones they have given NTCs too notwithstanding.

          • Hax

            I can see SJ taking a shot at Spezza as a rental. But they’d (hopefully) get outbid by a team that wants him long-term.

    • EK65

      You lost all credibility to me when you were calling Lazar for the next captain. After that, Neil. Jesus

      • Rafi Bomb

        I’m not overly concerned with losing credibility with simple minded individuals like yourself. Most of the points that I have made are beyond your cognitive capacity to properly comprehend.

        • EK65

          I admire your attempt to draw me into a verbal battle, but the point is that the thought of Lazar as a captain before he has even put on a Sens jersey is the most ridiculous and unlikely thing I’ve ever read on this site, and is the definition of over-valuing one’s prospects.

          • Jakester

            I wouldn’t do it either but Landeskog was named pretty young. I think TUrris is our best option.

          • EK65

            Right. Landeskog was named young, for sure, but he had at least played games and proven himself for the Avs. Also, their team didn’t have established stars on it such as Karlsson and to a lesser extent, Turris. Let alone players that have been leaders in the dressing room in Phillips.

          • Jakester

            I agree, just saying there have been examples of awfully young guys being named Captains but not straight from junior.

          • Hax

            You’re so wrong. Lazar wore number 13 at the draft last year! So he has worn a Sens jersey.

            Haha, yeah naming the kid captain is a wee bit premature. Maybe after a couple of seasons but not before then. And I think Turris or Karlsson will likely be cemented as captain first.

          • CaMo

            lol the fact that chirp tweeted that comment outlines its insanity.

          • EK65

            I wanted to say this as well, but didn’t want to rope Chirp into it again. He’s called it out, but didn’t name the user.

          • Rafi Bomb

            Toews and Landeskog were named captains early in their respective careers. The primary reason for this was that they exuded character that displayed a maturity unparalleled by the other players on the Blackhawks and Avalanche.

            It is a rare circumstance when a player around 20 years of age displays the type of characteristics that you look for in an elite captain. Lazar has such characteristics which makes him an interesting candidate to eventually become a captain in this league. The fact that he has all these characteristics at this age creates the possibility for him to be able to attain captaincy at a young age much like Toews and Landeskog.

            The Murray and MacLean will likely be cautious in their approach in naming the next captain after the negative events surrounding Alfredsson leaving and Spezza failing as a captain and requesting a trade. The last thing they want is to make another mistake in naming the next captain. They will see the risk that after last season, there will be additional pressure on the next captain to perform immediately. The fans and media will eat the next captain alive if they falter even the slightest bit and this can be too much pressure for certain players. This risk will create an apprehension about naming Karlsson or Turris as the next captain as neither have fully developed into that role and they may go through some growing pains to get there. Those growing pains could lead to too much negative attention which will create the risk of them wanting out as the pressure is simply too high. From an asset management stand point that is a unnecessary risk and on that the will be very cautious about undertaking.

            The other candidates are Ryan, MacArthur, Methot, Phillips and Neil. Ryan could be an interesting possibility but they will need to ensure that he is committed long term before considering him as an option. MacArthur has displayed some tremendous leadership characteristics but he has had a short tenure with the organization and a history of starting out strong and then regressing in his play in the last few organizations that he has been a part of. Similar to the situation with Ryan they will want to ensure that he is committed long term before seriously considering him. Methot parties too much and management doesn’t like that, therefore there is a small chance that he is considered. Phillips and Neil are excellent leaders who have tremendous character but at this point in their respective careers they are in minor depth roles which hurts their chances of being viable candidates.

            With the uncertainty looming around who is the ideal candidate and the concerns about the media and fan pressure after the Alfredsson and Spezza fiascos, Management will likely be very patient in their decision. Due to this fact, this creates the possibility for a guy like Lazar who has elite character to try and establish himself as a player and build a reputation with MacLean. This period of evaluation of potential captains may allot Lazar the opportunity to start sticking out as one of the key leaders in the room. Certainly it is a low probability that he attains it but it isn’t necessarily an impossibility given the fact that players like Landeskog and Toews have done it in the past.

            The fact that I throw a player like Lazar in contention is as much a reflection on where the other potential players stand as candidates for being a high calibre captain as it does of Lazar’s character. When I look at that list, I don’t see anyone who is full ready to captain a team like this. It will be even more difficult considering we have such a young roster, are coming off a poor year and are operating under a budget. None of these guys seem like they are fully prepared to handle that type of pressure.

          • CaMo

            What a waste of breath man. You contradicted yourself about 5 times in this storybook post.

          • CaMo

            I just counted… 5 was a low guess…

          • EK65

            You spent that much time writing this and that’s all that you came up with?

            Give it up man. Now you’re saying Lazar is equivalent to Toews and Landeskog. He’s not. He will be good, but you’re overvaluing him by a long shot.

          • runningbear1974

            I think highly unlikely, but i like thinking outside the box…

            If Lazar was captain, everyone would support him… I think fans would be generous because he’s so young…

            Whereas, anyone else as captain will be put down for their inadequacies…

          • ProfessorPower

            He claimed he could be named captain midway or more likely at the end of the season. So not before he has played a game, after 48-82 games. EK65 is such a dumb faggot.

      • jimmyjohnson

        In my opinion, both Rafi Bomb and you have a pretty good take on things. I don’t think it’s unreasonable to want to capitalize on the Toews/Landeskog qualities in Lazar by naming him Captain early in his career. I do, however, think it’s unreasonable to expect it or push for it when the team has a generational defenseman that wants it and has given 5 years to the team already.

    • boom

      No offense, but we’re losing our 2nd captain in 12 months, and you’re calling another team a shit-show?

      Those who live in glass houses….

    • jimmyjohnson

      I always thought highly of Wilson, but his comments on needing to rebuild seem stupid. That team tanked against the eventual Cup champs. They still have every opportunity to be this generations Dallas Stars and win one in the next couple seasons. If he wanted to rebuild, he should have done it 2 years ago.

  • Sandy

    So Chirp what is the scuttlebutt on the possible signings of Ryan and MacArthur? That’s really what I’m concerned about.

    • EK65

      They can only begin negotiations with them after July 1st. Dorion has said on TSN 1200 that they will be very active in trying to re-sign both of them and hopes they can get a deal done (obviously)

      • Hax

        True – but they can unofficially talk to these guys. Hence the whole Spezza thing where they knew back in January that he wasn’t planning to extend his contract this summer.

    • Max2166

      How are the negotiations with Robin Lehner’s agent going? I would presume Marc Methot is a priority on July 1st as well.

      • Hax

        I hope so (on Methot) but with the weird scratch/no scratch thing last season I’m a bit curious if we’re planning to keep him around.

        • Zelle

          If the club loses Methot at this point and doesn’t replace him (comments on not changing the D) then well I don’t even know what to say…

  • cups

    if someone here knows dr. brown, maybe we could borrow the delorea and go get lazar from 2019, cuz he will get all the votes. just my 2cents

    • CaMo

      This makes 0 sense to me.

      • Hax

        It’s a reference to the Back to the Future movies.

        He’s essentially suggesting that Lazar might be captain material in 5 years or so.

        • CaMo

          Gotchaaa. True, if Lazar pans out as expected there’s no doubt that in 5 years he would be a leader by then.

        • Zira1

          Tks for bringing this old Fart up to date.

    • Sensnation

      Haha, so true! Seth MacFarlane can probably put us in touch with him after that brief cameo he gave the Dr.

  • Yukon Cornelius

    Has Murray commented on his willingness to sweeten the pot in a potential Spezza deal to get a better return?

    BM is a great GM when it comes to trading for players with potential (Turris, Bishop, Methot, etc..) or quantity-for-quality (à la Ryan) but when trading away talents he seems to be less potent (Bishop to Tampa, Heatley [very unique situation but still relevant], Fisher even). But I think he ‘needs to prove himself’ if he trades Spezza especially if he wants to have a competitive team in the next two years while he is still GM, or at least for the sake of his legacy.

    I think most readers/posters on this site would agree that St Louis’ offer of Berglund + picks would be considered an inadequate return. So what do you think needs to happen to get a fair return for Spezza? Just for time to pass and a bidding war to begin? Or possibly adding some of our prospects to gain players who will help the team win next season and years after?

    • jimmyjohnson

      I don’t feel like there was anything wrong with the Fisher trade. I feel the return was adequate… I haven’t heard any rumoured deals they turned down tho. Anyone know of any?

      • Yukon Cornelius

        The Fisher trade may have been a bad example. People have said Murray turned down a trade for an earlier 1st rounder for the sake of sending Fish to Nashville where his wife lives. I think the pick was LA’s at 19 as opposed to 21st, which went to Anaheim in the Ryan trade anyway. Murray showing character like that is probably more impressive.

    • sprucesens

      I think he should be adding on a D, unless he has something else going on elsewhere. We have too many regardless. If we want to go young and inexperienced, he could go something brash like Spezza + Methot for Shwartz + Shattenkirk + late pick contingent on him resigning. Ideally, it would be other D being moved, but methot definitely has the most value for a team in win now mode. And for how this team seems to feel about methot this year, I honestly wouldn’t doubt it

      • Yukon Cornelius

        I agree. I would prefer a D with two or three NHL seasons under his belt than a forward considering the amount of promising forwards the Sens have coming up the pipeline. One of them could step up, right?

        I really hope there isn’t friction between the coaching/brass in Ottawa & Methot. I think trading him away would hurt more than help.

        In Murray We Trust.

  • Jakester

    That’s why he should take the best deal soon before he’s left with the old couch that nobody wants at the garage sale, nothing hurts more than dragging that heavy hidabed back inside cause you didn’t take the ten dollars the early bird offered you!

    • Sensnation

      Welcome to the NHL where the best deals don’t happen until the DEADLINE! Trade deadline, draft day, those are the deadlines every GM (several have said it just this week) will tell you matters and when the best offers are made.

      Your early bird and a hidabed you wouldn’t be using anyways analogies are way off.

  • Harv

    Interesting that we all were bemoaning the lack of leadership on this team and now that the captaincy may be up for grabs there appears to be a number of players who may make good captains.

    Karlson is the obvious choice in terms of talent and heart. Nobody on the team gives more than him or bleeds more publicly when the team fails or he, himself, fails. He has all of the attributes of a captain and needs some encouragement after the way McLean and the Sun have taken his game apart.

    That leaves McArthur, Turris and Ryan, in that order. There is no way it should go to Phillips, yesterday’s man. He has been a great Senator, with emphasis on the “has been”. Time to turn the page. Do we want a captain who, in the monds of many fans, should not even be on the team?

    Rotating A’s for Turris, McArthur and Ryan.

    • sprucesens

      The only thing with ryan and macA, I wouldn’t do anything until they’ve inked extensions. After that, it might be a solid list. The good thing is, we now have so many players that could be argued to be in the talks for a letter. Problem is they probably have both neil and Phillips ahead of them. In reality, having a letter on your jersey is more of a reward for services rendered, than it does show how the team feels about you or your position. For example, Phillips is probably going to be the next C regardless of how we feel about it. Even though he barely belongs in the league at all anymore, management and coaches seem to feel differently about it. He’ll have his year or 2, then retire. Neil will never be the C, simply because he has never amounted to more than a 3rd liner, which on a very good team, he should be a 4th liner. Love what he brings, but he is also on a steep decline. I’d prefer a changing of the guard, like all fans seem to want, (karlsson, turris, macA, ryan, methot, lazar?, zib?) but its likely that is a year or 2 away. I can’t see the organization committing to guys like Phillips, only to strip him of his letter. Unfortunately, the changing of the guard is still 2 years away. Which strangely is when we hope to be contending again.

      • Harv

        I am going have to withdraw my proposal in any event. We cannot have three As on the same line. If we gave them to Turris, Ryan and McArthur, Ryan would have to play 2nd line and McArthur 3rd line. It would never work.

  • KJ

    to take a little distraction from the anxiety of knowing what will happen to our beloved hockey team, some good news on the Canadian Tennis front today! All 3 Canadians won their first matches at Wimbledon!

    • Harv

      Geenie!!!!!!! Geenie!!!!!!!!!!!!

      Awesome!

      • peetypuck

        I dream of Geenie!

        • Keregan

          she will choke

          • Harv

            She is 20 years old and just made the semis in the Australian and French Opens.

            She will choke?

            Obviously you have never watched her play. She has the “Eye of the Tiger”!

  • FistsofNeil25

    Kesler makes a lot of sense for both Chicago and Anaheim. It will be interesting to see what Vancouver does here. Do they trade him to a division rival (Anaheim) or their biggest rival from the last 5 or so years (Chicago).

    I think the best case scenario for Ottawa would be if Chicago land Kesler, Stastny and O’Reilly re-signing in Colorado, which would force other Central division teams like Dallas and St Louis to make a move to keep up with Chicago, Colorado and an emerging Minnesota. That division is going to be an absolute battle.

    That also leaves Anaheim still looking for a 2C as well.

    • Brock

      I think Spezza to Chicago is the best scenario for us. I feel like the Hawks have more to offer. Some good prospects in Teravainen, Hartman, Danault, and McNeill. Maybe something like, Teravainen, Hjalmarsson, 1st? Hawks draft at 27 so it’s not the best pick in a weak draft. Will probably get ripped but whatever.

      • FistsofNeil25

        I don’t think Chicago would make that trade. I doubt they have any interest in moving either Tervainen or Hjalmarsson. They would also be in cap hell if they made that deal.

        As a Sens fan I’d take it and run!

      • jimmyjohnson

        I almost never say this, but: I would take that deal and run. I’m not one to overvalue players usually, but all the talk of sobotka-cole and Berglund-Rattie has me scared!

        I look at that deal and I’m pretty much ready to call it a day. I think most people would look at that trade and say that we won’t get that kind of quality. I hope they’re wrong, but I really don’t know anymore…

  • CaMo

    I wish we were all flies on the wall in Bryan Murrays office. We could just end all these debates and listen.

    • AutoTurris

      I wish I could email Murray and say; “Hey Bri Bri, I know you’ve got a lot going on right now and I’m sure it’s stressful, especially since you’re 71 and still kicking it with the whole GM thing, but I was just wondering if I could, like, sit in your office and be in on everything that is going on. Like, I won’t tell anyone, it’s just killing me slowly being in the dark. Anywho, you’re the best, keep at it girl, TTYL.”

      I actually think that would go over well.

    • Zelle

      We would be incredibly annoying flies.

  • Gavin Ray

    I think we shouldn’t have a captain.
    We should have three A’s:
    Phillips
    Neil
    Turris

    Or give Ryan an A so that he is more likely to extend his contract

    • jimmyjohnson

      Giving Spezza the C really made him more likely to stay too.

    • Mr Hockey

      I like this idea too. I’d love to give a letter to both Turris and Karlsson, but can’t see them stripping one off the current A’s.

      • jimmyjohnson

        I guess they’ll just have to trade them then!!!

      • ProfessorPower

        Turris “A” at home games, Karlsson “A” at away games or vice versa.

  • Sandy

    In most offseasons top centres are never available, now, since the Sens need to trade Spezza their are a boatload of them.
    The one that could affect the Sens the most is what happens to Stastny.

    So since the Sens are not playing in Florida this March so I get to go to the sunny south, I’ll go a little further west of that in January to go to Glendale then off to the City of Sin. Works for me.

    • jimmyjohnson

      There really aren’t though…

      There’s two guys who have effectively taken themselves off the market (Thornton, Marleau). There’s one guy who has narrowed the market to 2-3 teams (Kesler). And there’s one guy who is going to get paid a ridiculous amount of money and who 29 teams will fail to sign (Stastny).

      There is only one top flight center on the market right now and his middle name is Rocco.

      • Sandy

        The rumour out there by LeBrun is the Avs won’t pay him more than 6M.
        It’s up to Stastny if he wants that.

        • jimmyjohnson

          I’ve never once thought Stastny wouldn’t go to FA. It honestly doesn’t concern me. NYR will offer him $8.5M per season if they have to and other teams will easily be in the $7.5 -$8M range.

          I’m sure the teams interested in Spezza will make a pitch but all of them (maybe all but one or two) will lose out on both Stastny and Kesler.

          There are 5 teams rumoured to be in heavy on Spezza and at least 3 of them will still be looking for a center after Stastny signs and Kesler moves. I really don’t see how it will be an issue.

          • peetypuck

            Is Tampa Bay still interested in Spezza? They were rumoured to be making a serious offer.

          • jimmyjohnson

            I’ve decided to ignore and discount Tampa Bay, NYR, and any other East team that is rumoured to be interested. They might be make offers, but I can’t say for sure that Murray would accept a good offer from them, so I ignore it.

            What I know for sure (based on the myriad of reports out there, not any insider knowledge) is that Anaheim, Nashville, Chicago, St. Louis, Dallas, and Colorado are all said to be in the market for a center and are considering Spezza as a top option.

            Other teams involved would be great, but I can’t include them in my thought process.

          • CUP 2014-15

            Arizona ???

          • jimmyjohnson

            yep, them too. I keep forgetting they’re in the mix…

            See, this is why I’m not overly concerned about the return for Spezza getting to where it needs to be. The reporters can make it seem like there’s limited interest or like there’s a ton of options, but at the end of the day, when all of Spezza, Stastny, and Kesler wind up where they are headed, there will still be a half dozen teams (or more) looking for a center.

            If I was other teams and I had watched Spezza this season (especially in the 2014 part of the season) I would be salivating at the potential to add that player to my roster. I may be a little more positive on Spezza’s future than the average fan, but I don’t think anyone can factually claim that he isn’t a top line, top flight center in the NHL.

          • peetypuck

            Murray’s an old pro at trading. He’ll stretch it out to get the best deal. I’m glad he hasn’t rushed into the first trade offered.

          • jimmyjohnson

            I’d really like to have a discussion on the merits of holding off trading him until July 1 or later. I don’t have the knowledge or insight, I think, to infer the consequences/benefits of that play on my own. Your opinions, among several others on this site, I would welcome with open arms. Do you have any thoughts on it?

          • peetypuck

            Unless Spezza gives his word that he will sign with the team that trades for him they are going on faith giving up their best offer before July 1st… memories of Garth Snow trading for Thomas Vanek. I think a cautious GM would hold off making that trade any earlier otherwise he might only be getting a rental for next year.

          • jimmyjohnson

            But if he waits until the 1st, then that limits the teams interested in him because he obviously won’t sign just anywhere.

            I think that reason and that reason alone is why he’ll be moved at the draft. Waiting until after July 1 adds too much risk to the negotiation.

          • CUP 2014-15

            I agree that he is considered a star and top talent everywhere except here. He fits the Youtes perfectly. they are solid down the middle minus a number one. They are loaded with young talent such as Henrik Samulesson and Max Domi just to name a couple and on top of that, his 7MM Cap hit is a benefit to them to go along with a real payday of 4MM.

        • Keregan

          Pretty much what he worth, he will probably get more on the open market though.

          • jimmyjohnson

            In this market, with the cap skyrocketing, he’s easily worth $7.5

          • peetypuck

            I read that Toews and Kane will be the top paid players when they sign new contracts.

          • jimmyjohnson

            I saw that too and that’s a game changer for the salary cap. If players start capping at over $10-$11M, it’s going to make a lot of players at the bottom a whole lot more expensive. You’ll start seeing Hemsky level players asking for $7+ and THAT my friend is ridiculous!

        • peetypuck

          I prefer Kyle Turris and his $3.5 million contract to Stastny.

          • CUP 2014-15

            And I will take EK65 and his 6.5 compared to what PK is going to get. just adding on to your parade…lol

          • peetypuck

            But what is Bobby Ryan going to ask for to keep him wearing a Sens jersey? OOps, I just rained on my parade. LOL

  • AutoTurris

    I hope Bri Bri is looking at what it takes to move up into the top 5 for the draft. Obviously not with the Spezza trade, but I would target the Oilers’ 3rd. See what the asking price is, we have D men to move as well as a plethora of prospects and some unwanted NHlers (Greening). Whatever the specifics, I think getting into the top 3 for the draft and getting a roster guy will help us out significantly.

    • rebel held suburb

      It would cost one of Ceci / Lazar / Methot and a junk part or 2 methinks

      Willing to pay that for Sam Reinhart or Sam Bennett ?

      • CaMo

        Nope

      • peetypuck

        The point is to add to those names listed, not subtract from them.

        • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

          Yes because we will get a top three by sending garbage players and keeping our top prospects

          • jimmyjohnson

            Ceci, Lazar, and Methot are “garbage players”?

            How do even still post here without being ridiculed?

          • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

            How do you post without EVER making any sense.

            I was referencing adding to these names listed. .. But if you ever used your head and responded to reality as apposed to some twisted fantasy world you live in the maybe… Just maybe you would be aware of that…

          • jimmyjohnson

            I read you like you’re 17. Is that close?

          • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

            As usual your views are about as far off as humanly possible

          • jimmyjohnson

            “as usual” is funny lol

            You try to portray me as some inept mind, but anyone with a reasonable perspective can tell that I have a pretty solid opinion on these matters.

            You. on the other hand, I rarely agree with. Maybe it’s just the way you present your ideas… but I think it’s more a general lack of knowledge on the subject.

            I was a high level player with a lot more insight than you, yet you seem to assume that you know more about the game. I find that fascinating. Your opinions, however…not so much.

          • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

            Oh I apologize random Internet person who claims to have been a high level player.

            Did you know my dad was the prime minister and my mom the Queen of England.

            Guess what my brother is Wayne Gretzky too…. Oh and my cousin has won the last 4 Nobel Peace prizes.

            Oh and my name is Tom Brady

            Idiot

          • jimmyjohnson

            You’re the idiot, chum.

            I don’t even know why I would lie about that.

            lol.

            you’re just choke-full of absurd reactions, aren’t you.

        • jimmyjohnson

          I wrote just below that I would consider subtracting pretty mich any asset to get an Ekblad-Karlsson pairing. The more I think about it, the more I’m n favour of it, regardless of the price.

          Tallon apparently wants a top8 first this year tho and we obviously don’t have that to give, so I think the point is moot.

      • jimmyjohnson

        Methot?

        It would cost us Lazar, our 2015 1st, and a player like Stone or Wiercioch. I pretty well guarantee that Lazar, 2015 1st is non-negotiable.

        Even if we could do that deal, I would prefer taking a chance on our guys rather than risking a couple sure things on the top of this years draft class.

        I really like Bennett’s total package and I think Reinhart has star potential but I can’t justify giving up so much to get them. The argument could be made that Lazar and Bennett have equal potential and intangibles, but one is closer to NHL ready.

        The only argument that could be made to convince me to trade that much is the opportunity to field a Ekblad-Karlsson tandem for a generation. That’s a pretty damn sexy idea.

        • AutoTurris

          Okay y’all, let me paint you a word picture. This is going to be a journey full of ifs and maybes, but once we come out the other end, I think we will all be changed men.

          To start, Murray gets the Spezza deal done. Tensions were high but he squeezes out Shattenkirk, Berglund and STL first.

          The draft begins, but Murray isn’t done yet.

          He flips Berglund to Toronto for Kadri. Sens fans are impressed. But just wait.

          Murray takes a bite out of his roast beef sandwich.

          The Oilers have yet to pick. Murray is on the hunt. He goes in with Kadri, the Blues’ 2014 1st and the prospects Prince and Claesson. Suddenly the 3rd overall is in his hands.

          Bennett is drafted and hits the ice next year. Murray out.

          • jimmyjohnson

            If you’re familiar with Family Guy, you might remember when Peter Griffin throws up his hands in frustration while watching something and says “Done!!” and walks out. That’s the first thing that came to mind when I read this:

            “He flips Berglund to Toronto for Kadri.”

            I actually did read the whole thing tho and I think the idea of Stone, Ryan, Lazar, and Bennett filling the wings on this team is a damn sexy idea.

          • sbs138

            so we got Shattenkirk and Bennett for Spezza?

          • AutoTurris

            Yeah that’s what it boils down to

          • peetypuck

            Auto, You’re Hired!!! Can you start by Friday?

          • AutoTurris

            I’d have to pack my things… And could we actually make that Tofurkey? I’m trying to get away from cold cuts.

            But in all seriousness, as outlandish as that whole thing was, if BM could manage it, I would kiss the earth he walks upon.

          • peetypuck

            The whole Sens Army would. BM could probably become mayor.

  • Sandy

    I was thinking about the rumour of Spezza to Chicago for Sharp.
    Now he’s too old for the Sens, but what about flipping Sharp for another package?

    • Voice Of Reason

      I can’t see CHI doing a trade with us that involves Sharp and Spezza. Sharp has a cap hit of 5.9M… Spezza’s cap hit is higher and will likely be at least the same as Sharp if he re-signs with them. CHI may want to shed some cap and Spezza doesn’t do that for them.

  • FistsofNeil25

    For the sake of our sanity all I can say is this – Ben Bishop better not win the damn Vezina tonight.

    • rebel held suburb

      Ben Bishop was a class act here in Ottawa – I hope he does win

      • Sandy

        Me to.
        He can’t help it if Ottawa made a stupid trade.

      • FistsofNeil25

        lol well ya it would be great for him. Couldn’t be happier for the guy.
        It would just be hard to sleep at night knowing we traded a Vezina
        winner for Conacher, only to waive Conacher a year later.

    • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

      I hope he does… Kid was and is amazing.

      That trade is still probably my most frustrating moment of the last few seasons

    • Harv

      I absolutely want Bishop to win! The guy was great!

  • rebel held suburb

    … …

    • SensChirp

      Go on…?

      • rebel held suburb

        meant to reply to something below – which I did
        can’t seem to find a delete button

        • Voice Of Reason

          Rumor is the owner can’t afford a Delete option because he rather siphon the revenues for personal gain and is not putting anything back into improving the product. Oh! Wait! This is Sens… Chirp we are talking about… oops… me bad!

          • SensChirp

            There it is folks. Comment of the Day. Possibly comment of the month.

          • rebel held suburb

            glad I could help

          • SensChirp

            And there’s the runner-up

    • peetypuck

      Hockey players in general are more classy and humble than most other athletes.

  • jimmyjohnson

    Phillips should get the ‘C’ for this season with an understanding that Karlsson takes it next season.

    I know that’s a controversial opening, but Karlsson isn’t ready and I think that’s obvious to everyone. There’s no one else on the team that deserves a short term captaincy and I think it’s an insult to Phillips to go without a Captain.

    As long as Phillips is a full time NHLer next year, I have no problem giving him the ‘C’. If he’s in and out of the lineup though, I can’t justify it. The Captain can’t be a healthy scratch…

    • WaitingSince92

      An insult to Phillips to go without a captain? Pfffffft! That’s a six ‘F’ Pft…

      Why even consider making Phillips captain if you fear he may be in and out of the lineup? Nostalgia for the player he used to be?

      • jimmyjohnson

        nostalgia isn’t something I’m often accused of…

        I think he’s currently the best option, as long as he plays a regular shift next year. Only he and the org know what his expected role is for next year, but as long as it’s a full time and he’s playing well enough, I have no problem giving the ‘C’ to the 15 year veteran.

    • Andrews theory

      Captain really needs to play in the top 4D or top 6 Forwards

      Nothing about his season last year would indicate to me that he fits that profile. Are you really prepared to make your captain a healthy scratch?

      Reality is, he needs to spend some time upstairs next season allowing Wire, Gryba, Ceci, Boro to develop

      • jimmyjohnson

        Yeah I see that side of the argument. I actually do think he still has something to give though. I’m hopeful (although not necessarily confident) that he can re-emerge as a quality NHL D-man. I think he will.

        Imo the org will know if they see him as a potential healthy scratch next year. I can’t say whether they do or don’t. I would imagine they would only make him Captain if they don’t. It’s in that scenario that I support him for the ‘C’.

  • sbs138

    Zack Smith for Captain!! Pow! Wham-O!
    Ryan White is a bitch.

    • ProfessorPower

      ya fuck it im down lol Z.Smith for Captain!

      • peetypuck

        Is he planning to leave at the end of next year?

    • aegiszx

      Drafted by the organization and has worked his way up from the A. He’s everything an Ottawa Senator should be… Respect and trust of the coaches, deployed in all situations.. and more importantly, NO BLIND PASSES TO THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE!

      Heart, grit, & energy. ZS15.

  • Cyborg Denneny

    Just an idea, but why not alternate captaincy between Phillips and Neil for the coming season (home & away) and leave the young guys out of it for the time being until one of them shines as the extra A. (Could be a rule that says you have to have 2 Assistants, but I do t see the logic in it)

    • jimmyjohnson

      2 ‘C’s (without an ‘A’ when they aren’t wearing it) and 4 ‘A’s alternating seems like a pretty cool idea for a team in this position.

      But I think in the end Karlsson will wind up with the C sooner than later.

    • spgottawa

      One thing for sure. People will be discussing this all summer no matter what happens this week since it’s unlikely they name a captain before camp… More important and pressing issues:
      1. What’s the return for Spezza?
      2. When and for how much do Ryan and MacArthur sign for?
      3. How do the Sens upgrade and solve the logjam on defence?
      4. Depending on the return for Spezza, do the Sens pick up a player in free agency?
      5. When does Lehner sign and do they elect to trade Anderson and give Lehner the starting job? (And valuable development time in net given they are not going to be an elite team this year…)
      6. What role does Lazar wind up playing this season?
      Oh, and after that’s all said and done we need a captain… I am anxiously, yet excitingly looking forward to the next 10 days!

      • jimmyjohnson

        1) we’ll probably find out this week and we’ve been talking about it for two months.

        2) we’ll probably find out in the next 10 days and until July 1, they can’t even re-up.

        3) The logjam will sort itself out by the end of this year (assuming no one is traded before the season is under way) and it’s too soon to know what Wiercioch, Cowen, and Ceci will be.

        4) The Sens will almost dedinitely be active in free agency, signing at least a couple players, needing to get to the cap floor.

        5) Lehner’s contract situation is definitely something that needs more ink, but he’s been qualified and they’re in talks so hopefully we get some good news sooner than later.

        5b) I would be supportive of giving the net to Lehner. They never should have taken it away from him when he was player of the week and Anderson came back. That decision, among many many others is why I’m not currently a Maclean supporter.

        6) He will probably get 9 straight games of NHL experience, playing 12-14 minutes a night. After that he will either be returned to the CHL or more likely brought along with as many minutes as he can handle.

        All of these questions, though, are contingent or several other factors.

  • Sandy

    Off topic, but is this guy any use in the lineup somewhere. I know the Sens have quite a few bottom 6 forwards in their prospects and on the team currently…

    http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospects/daniel_winnik/

    • Jakester

      Winnie another useless plug like Condra and Greening. Couldn’t score if the net was a Soccer version.

  • WaitingSince92

    Ugh. Neither Phillips nor Neil deserve the captaincy. What gives, Sens fans? I know they both give full effort, but they barely crack NHL lineups anymore.

    I want a captain that can lead by example, but both of these veterans create more offence for the opposing team than for us.

    • jimmyjohnson

      I don’t disagree with you.

      And I’m still half way supportive of the idea that one (Phillips) or both hold the Captaincy.

      I think it speaks to the lack of another qualified candidate.

      1) I think Karlsson’s immaturity is pretty evident, still. He might be a little closer to a candidate but he isn’t there yet IMO.

      2) Same goes for Turris, and I’m 99.9% certain they wouldn’t spurn Karlsson for Turris. After all, Karlsson scores all the goals…

      3) Bobby Ryan doesn’t seem like a classic Captain and we don’t know if he’s here for the long term. Again, I doubt they spurn Karlsson for him.

      4) Methot is a character guy and leader, but new in the room and not a top line player. Typically, the captaincy should go to one of the team’s best players.

      5) Lazar hasn’t even played a game yet lol.

      6) Cowen ….. lololol

      7) ….

      There’s no one better than Phillips right now and Phillips is unlikely to hold it for long and that’s okay. There’s also something nice about the idea of our longest serving and higheat all time scoring player passing the C to the teams second leading all time scorer, who in turn passes it to the team’s 2nd all time in GP, who then passes it to their first ever generational player and likely best player in franchise history.

      And doing it all in 4 years at the tail end of a rebuild doesn’t say what some people seem to think it says (which is turmoil). What it says is: turnover and rightful succession.

      • WaitingSince92

        MacArthur. Extend him. Make him captain. How is he not a perfect captain? Leads by example by taking punishment to make small plays. Goes to the net, goes into the corners. Forechecks, backcheks and has offensive (not elite, but good) skills to boot. I could go on…

        • jimmyjohnson

          I like the idea and I don’t like the idea. I refuse to take a position on it.

          Let’s just say: if they went in that direction, I wouldn’t have a lot to say about it. I could get down with that idea.

          • WaitingSince92

            Then we agree!

            The only downside I see is that he’s only got one more year and if he plays well, he could price himself out of our range. Still, all the more reason to take advantage while we have him.

            I defy someone to find another downside to MacArthur as captain (bearing in mind I do not accept any Leafs-related reasons).

          • jimmyjohnson

            We don’t agree though. I don’t support the idea. I just would trust the team’s decision makers if that they made that call. I agree that Mac is a pretty great player and likely a character guy. I’m all for re-signing him. But making him Captain is a huge move that I can’t actively promote without really knowing what his role is in the room.

          • jimmyjohnson

            The downside is that you have a generational player who wants to be Captain and is already signed for most of the next decade at a very team friendly number. That player also has more seniority in the organization and a greater impact on the team’s success. Making MacArthur Captain is a long term decision that doesn’t make any sense.

          • WaitingSince92

            It doesn’t have to be long term. We can always give him an A later and give Karlsson the C. I imagine MacArthur would understand. Or we could just have Karlsson wear an A. If his ego’s to big to not have the C (which I doubt), maybe that’s a different problem.

          • jimmyjohnson

            Now there we definitely disagree. I don’t like the idea of stripping anyone of the Captaincy that isn’t being put out to pasture.

      • WaitingSince92

        I guess the thing I don’t understand is why all the emphasis on Neil and Phillips. We’re through our so-called 3 year rebuild. Fisher and Kelly are gone. Alfie and (soon) Spezza are (will be) gone. Neil and Phillips are the worst of this 6 player group. Why make one of them captain when the emphasis should be on the new crop? Just because they’re old doesn’t mean they’re ‘good leaders’. I just don’t see how they can lead by their on-ice example anymore.

        • jimmyjohnson

          Well, the Neil thing I don’t get. I question him having a letter at all.

          Phillips though was very much in the running for it this season and he’s worn an A for a huge chunk of his career. He’s one of the most veteran players in the league and he has a ton of respect from the refs league wide. Add in the lack of other candidates (and my strong belief that this season is too soon for Karlsson) and I don’t really see another acceptable option.

          I also have enough respect for what Phillips has done in the league, and the impact a person of that calibre has on the young players here, to support his nomination for the ‘C’.

          Like the team, I had a tough time deciding in Spezza’s favour last year, simply because of the reasons listed above. (In the end though, I was happy with their decision. I think Spezza could have been a fine Captain with a little more time in the role.)

    • Cyborg Denneny

      You’re right, but to me the analogy to be made is that of an army unit in combat. They’ve lost their officers (Alfie & Spezza) and the only guys left that command any enduring respect/paid dues are the two seargants (Phillips & Neil). Eventually, they’ll get knocked off too, but not before one or other of the enlisted men emerges as a leader.
      Besides. The 2 fat morons at the Sun need no more talking points for criticism at a very tender point in the franchise’s development. Just let the young guys be themselves & become whomever they will be for a couple of seasons.

      • WaitingSince92

        I’d rather have someone who can lead by their actions as captain than someone who has ‘paid their dues’.

        • jimmyjohnson

          That’s a fair criticism of the Phillips for Captain idea, but Phillips was very good in the playoffs in each of the last 3 series this team played. For me, that tells me that the guy can still play. He needs to perform like that all 82 this year though.

          • Cyborg Denneny

            I don’t disrespect him but don’t think he should be the Captain either ( unless it’s co-captain). Would have done well to trade him last year in my view and start fresh, but it is what it is.

          • WaitingSince92

            Yeah, that resigning was one Murray move that really surprised me. I guess he thought we really just needed and experienced body back there (plus I imagine Phillips really, REALLY wanted to stay).

          • Cyborg Denneny

            Can’t blame him. It’s a great town. Sure beats Brampton.

          • jimmyjohnson

            He had a no move in his contract tho.

            I was… less than happy… when they re-signed him. I’ve landed on the belied though that part of that agreement was an acknowledgement that he needed to be considerably better over the next two years (or at least from the time of the signing to the end of next season).

            He was arguably much better at the end of the season than he had been throughout the year. He still has his faults but he was a better version of himself, that’s for sure.

          • Cyborg Denneny

            Yeah. Usually picks up in the playoffs too. I dunno. I just thing 2 years was too long and wonder if he maybe doesn’t realize yet the extent to which he’s deteriorated. Again, no disrespect to him though.

          • jimmyjohnson

            2 years does seem too long.

          • CUP 2014-15

            I truly wish I could believe he still had it. CP Has always been a favorite of mine. I like stay at home solid D that can kill penalties , clear the front, win battles in the corners and hay if he can throw a big hit every now and then that would be great. Also was a big fan of the A train and now Gryba. Unfortunately I see the Big rig as slower and not able to play the way he use to. I hope I am wrong but I think he’s now number 7 on the backend. By the way his game 6 OT winner in NJ is still an unbelievable hi-lite to me.

          • jimmyjohnson

            I agree

            and my hope is that part of the signing process was a guarantee that he’d get back to those levels of play.

            If that wasn’t part of it, I can’t explain why he was re-signed.

        • Cyborg Denneny

          I just don’t trust no.65 not to shoot his mouth off since he is demonstrably still a very young man and doesn’t get the importance of buttoning it as yet. 2 years from now all things being equal, I think he’ll be the guy. They already tried giving the captaincy to a superstar to appease him, and in my view it would be the wrong thing to do to young Mr. K. At this stage.
          But hey, I’m in my 40′s and would probably still shoot my mouth off so….

          • jimmyjohnson

            Agreed but I think he’s only a year out.

  • AutoTurris

    Spartacat for captain! At least he will never leave us…

    • jimmyjohnson

      The Captain have a greater focus on hockey. All Spartacat is ever interested in is hot dogs and tshirts. The guys just a loafer.

      Greening for Captain and a name change from “Senators” to “Cyborgs”. Then change the CTC to the Skynet Centre.

    • aegiszx

      I imagine Eugene is probably conducting an internal review at the moment to go over the budget for intermission entertainment… Sparts may be cut soon if he keeps demanding a raise…

    • WaitingSince92

      This just in from TSN, as per Bob McKenzie:

      Ottawa, Ontario June 24th 7:49pm

      Spartacat has priced himself out of the Ottawa Senators’ allotted mascot budget and will not be resigned for the upcoming season. Word is he’s looking for a job with the Panthers, Wild, Bruins, Sabres, Predators, Coyotes, or any team with mammalian-themed logo.

      • jimmyjohnson

        Spartacat going to the Sabres makes my heart weep.

        • sprucesens

          On waivers

          • jimmyjohnson

            Conacher

            :’(

  • Millennium

    I’m less concerned about which of these guys gets the C from a team perspective. Leaders will always lead, regardless what letter that are/aren’t wearing.

    I’m more concerned with how getting the C would effect one of our better players. Phillips, while being the worst choice, is ironically probably the most prepared to handle it. Karlsson and Turris are both critical on-ice performers, and seeing either of them go through the adjustment that we saw Spezza go through would be frustrating and disappointing.

    Karlsson seems like the more vocal, active, on-ice style of leader. Turris seems like a more quiet, lead by example, inspire those around you style of leader.

    Karlsson is coming off a bad year, personally and professionally, and might be better suited focussing solely on his play at this current juncture. Turris is coming off a career year, and might be looking to avoid a regression with added pressures in his game.

    Long story short: The team needs to look at EK and KT (because really, the choice seems pretty much down to those two in my eyes) and decide which one is more ready to take on the C, and the implications it holds for that player, not the team.

    • jimmyjohnson

      This is a wonderful post.

    • Aaron 2.0

      Real awesome post. For all of these reasons, I’d like to see an A on both KT and EK. And, I’d like to see an A on Phillips (at least one old guy will get a letter; # 4 is the most deserving, even if I think re-signing him wasn’t a great move). KT and EK both essentially get an audition for the C. Eventually it gets pinned to one of them, when coaches thinks the time is right. Could be game 10, 20, 40, etc, or could be next year. It seems more important to get this right, than to do it just for the sake of doing it before the new season, IMO.

      • Millennium

        I’d certainly support the 3 A’s on EK, KT, and Phillips. Even for the full year. But that would require stripping one off Neil. Is there much precedent for doing that with a guy who isn’t in the org’s bad books?

        • Aaron 2.0

          At some point, they have to make a shift towards what the core of the team is suppose to be now. One of those two old-timers having a letter is more than enough to me. But, I think your right, both of those guys (Phillips and Neil) will probably have letters next season.

  • FistsofNeil25

    So I read that piece by Simmons on Josh Ho-Sang and I then watched some youtube hi-lights of the kid to see what all the hype is about and needless to say I’m impressed. From what I can tell he’s go hands, wheels, and loads of creativity. If we end up getting a late first round pick back in the Spezza trade, I’d be excited to see the Sens make Ho-Sang their selection. We need high end talent.

    • jimmyjohnson

      Very similar to John Macfarland. They were talking about him with McDavid a few years ago and he completely feel off the map (of top picks). He’s definitely a high reward pick, but I wouldn’t pencil him in to the future top-6 just yet (for whatever team he goes to). He has a lot of development to go through.

      Great potential though.

  • FistsofNeil25

    This awards show has confirmed one thing is true – hockey players wheel the hottest broads… I mean ladies!.

    • Harv

      And this guy Stromboloupulus is going to be an absolute bust on Hockey Night in Canada. Will be going for a lot of pee breaks during the intermissions.

  • Chris

    Its pretty simple to me — Let the players vote on Day 1 of training camp. There is no ‘obvious’ choice, so let the players decide. At least that way the team will back them.

  • Dirtysweetness

    God, it still saddens me when I see Chara. I wonder what this franchise would look like today if we had kept him….
    Sorry…into the hootch again.

    • jimmyjohnson

      in all likelihood, we wouldn’t have Karlsson, would have never experienced Clouston, wouldn’t have lost Heatley, might never have been to the Cup Finals…

      obviously we also might have had a few Cups, kept the playoff streak of 2011 going, etc..

      I think the more appropriate question is: what would this franchise look like if Muckler had never been the GM?

  • jimmyjohnson

    Mike Babcock might be the only person in history to be known across the board as the best coach in the NHL for over a decade and never win a Jack Adams Award. I’m not usually a lifetime achievement type of “voter” but on this occasion, I think it would have been reasonable.

    There’s also a dump truck worth of irony in the fact that he currently sits on top of the Red Wings all time wins list, one above:

    Jack Adams.

    • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

      We don’t always agree, but on this subject I think we amazingly may share the same opinion!

    • Sandy

      It also blows my mind that Drew Doughty doesn’t get a Norris nomination.

      • jimmyjohnson

        He’s pretty under the radar right up until playoff time, then he’s one of the best player’s in the world

  • jimmyjohnson

    .

  • Harv

    Wait a minute? EK beat PK?

    • Sandy

      Erik Karlsson beat P(retend) K(arlsson)?

  • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

    Brent Wallace ‏@tsn_wally 10mView translation
    Vezina Trophy voting: Rask 103;
    Varlamov 90; Bishop 32

    Could have been worse…

    • Sandy

      I started watching at 8:00 pm yet a lot of tweets about the winners I haven’t seen yet.
      I wish they would stop doing that..

  • ProfessorPower

    Senschirp, how much do you know about Senators interest in James Neal, I read sens might be interested but that’s about it. I am just imagining trading Spezza for Taresenko + 1st (+) and the flipping the 1st +++ for James Neal. Top Six of:

    Macarthur-Turris-Ryan
    Neal-Zibanejad-Taresenko

    and then I imagine myself shitting my pants.

    • cups

      I’m with you on the shitting of the pants part

    • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

      Good in theory…but Tarasenko +1st won’t happen.

      Tarasenko is one of the straight up options imho

      • AutoTurris

        And even that will not happen

  • Rafi Bomb

    Ed Tait of the Winnipeg Free Press has indicated that there has been some talk about Evander Kane being traded to Ottawa:

    “No player on the Jets’ roster has had his name linked to more trade rumours than Kane. In the last month alone he’s been rumoured to be headed to Philadelphia, Boston, Pittsburgh, Montreal, Chicago, Los Angeles, Ottawa, New York Rangers, Edmonton and Buffalo”

    http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/sports/hockey/jets/left-of-centre-264192021.html

    He would be a great addition to the Sens, although it would cost a premium to acquire him.

    • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

      I don’t imagine it will happen…but I would be SO pumped. Not sure what it would take, as I am 99% certain Spezza is off the table there.

      So maybe it would be a deal Spezza, and then deal some of the pieces received there to Winnipeg.

      Say in Anaheim

      Spezza

      For

      Smith-Pelly
      Etem
      2nd

      Keep one of the pieces, then send something along the lines of

      Kane

      For

      Smith-Pelly
      Stone
      2nd

      Maybe? Toss Prince into the mix if need be, as he isn’t happy with where he sits on our depth chart?

      • Rafi Bomb

        If we acquire DSP then we are going to keep him. There is also very little chance we trade Stone as the Sens are very high on him and he is a great example of their development program for other prospects.

        We would be more likely to move players like Puempel, Prince, Pageau, Hoffman, Wiercioch as well as picks. Chances are we aren’t able to offer what some of those others teams can.

        • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

          Tend to agree, which is why I went to the players we wouldn’t want to move, and if I am not mistaken Stone is from the area, so would be a good fit.(added prince after the fact)

          • Rafi Bomb

            It is difficult to assess what Kane’s value is. One the one hand he is a young power forward who has scored 30 goals in this league, on the other hand he has had some off ice issues and looks like he still has some maturing to do.

            I think his off ice antics and general attitude will end up hurting Winnipeg in terms of the type of return that they can get for him. The question becomes how much does it hurt his value? And does his value drop to a point that is intriguing enough for the Senators to pay?

        • sprucesens

          cowen, prince + maybe?

      • sprucesens

        pieces might be different, maybe not, but its an interesting idea none the less. Problem is, we either have to sign a UFA on top of michalek, or bring up puempel, if not there is a hole in our top 6/9 i think

      • FistsofNeil25

        If we acquired Smith-Pelly I would rather keep him and Stone than trade them for Evander Kane. Evander Kane is over rated. I wouldn’t pay a premium for him.

        Winnipeg is going to have a hard time moving him. He’s got plenty of talent but there are too many question marks surrounding his game.

  • karlssens

    Gotta be Karlsson, 100%. He’s the future, and he is a vocal guy. I don’t give a shit who he bangs or who he shit talks on twitter. He’s a gamer, a winner, and wants to be the best. An obvious choice.

  • 383

    I’m not saying it’s a rumor or that it’s remotely possible, but IF Pittsburgh and Ottawa did discuss a James Neal trade-you’d have to think Pittsburgh would be looking at one of our young dmen.
    If you look at Pittsburgh’s defence, it’s not looking so great IF (which they may) lose both Orpik and MNis. Yes they have, Letang, Martin and Matta-their bottom 3 gets a little iffy after them.

    Question would you do:

    PW46 and 1st for Neal?
    Ceci and a 2nd?

    Obviously I’d take the first option, would Sens fans do either trade?

    • Jakester

      You don’t TRADE CECI. Has star written all over him. Plus Neal is another who knows paycheck but not Backcheck!

    • sprucesens

      neither. I really like neal, but i’d rather not give up much for him. Don’t think they need D either. They have probably the top set of D prospects in the NHL, so they don’t need our middling guys. Maata was just the first of many for them. We just don’t fit the trade scenario with them, i don’t think. And no reason to. We could sign UFA’s with similar upside without giving up assets. He is a great player, but he won’t be getting better numbers playing with zib/turris, as compared to sid/malkin.

  • Sandy

    So ROR had only 2 penalty minutes all season? That’s an incredible stat.
    Be curious to see how many penalties he would get if he played for Ottawa.

    • Doc

      And it was due to playing with a ‘broken stick’. Ridiculous.

      He’s by far the player I most want to trade for, but I know there is slim to none chances that we grab him.

  • Kumar

    I would prefer to take Kane or Simmonds or Eberle before even considering Neal.

    • ProfessorPower

      I agree, would rather have Kane or Simmonds than Neal. I would assume BM has called on Kane already.

  • Sandy

    Off topic.

    If at the 40th pick (2nd round) would the Sens consider this guy. A lot of teams won’t look at him. He will be a project in the way of maturity and being a team player.

    http://www.torontosun.com/2014/06/24/the-curious-case-of-controversial-nhl-prospect-joshua-ho-sang

    • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

      If he is available I would love that pick…I am shocked you would support this pick though Sandy

      • Sandy

        I’m not saying I support the pick.
        Just wanted opinions.
        This guy seems to be similar to the Ray Emery the Sens had. Goes by the beat of his own drum. Not a bad trait, but in the world of the NHL you have to tow the line.
        This kid has the reputation of being a bit of an ego and doesn’t obey rules.
        If he wants to succeed in the NHL he has a lot of growing up to do..

        • Tooks

          Yeah he doesnt impress me much, saw him in a few games live in London and his character is pretty much the same on the ice.

          Wouldnt touch this kid with a 10ft pole.

    • SensFanInMTL

      Really interesting read. Kid’s being a kid, and isn’t afraid to say what’s on his mind. Unfortunately, at the spot that he’s in, his reputation can be easily tarnished. Even with the skill to back it up, unless he’s been in the league for years and has the numbers to back him up, he still needs to be aware of what he says, just because of how the media perceives what’s being said by Ho-Sang himself. It leaves a lot to be desired. I hope he can just back up his statements without being overly cocky. It can definitely scare other teams away. He may even be passed up in the draft. Interesting play to keep an eye on for the near future.

    • Millennium

      In this years draft, if he’s available at 40, I’d take the risk. Sure he’s a bit immature, but it also sounds like he’s looking for a chance to prove himself. If he’s committed to that, he could do some big things. Maturity can come with time; pure skill not so much.

    • Nicholas Rawlins

      Highly doubt he will go that late but I like him, kind of sick of the same boring interviews from players. Add a bit of personality to the game.

      • sprucesens

        interview’s is one thing, stating you are the true #1 pick and every team that passes on you doesn’t know what they are doing, is another. I’m fine with taking a flyer on a player with top talent, as its a high risk, very high reward type of move. And with our core mostly set for the next 10 years, we should be gambling on finding game breakers.

    • Nicholas Rawlins

      That being said the media would run him out of here pretty damn quick. I bet LA somehow gets him and he helps them continue to be the new red wings.

    • SensGod

      I would take him. Be passionate, be emotional but do what the coach says.

    • I’m just sayin’

      so – did Ottawa interview this guy ?

    • sprucesens

      i thought i had heard his name when being mentioned as the number 1 pick a few years ago, when mcdavid was first mentioned. He sounds like an arrogant me first player, who thinks he’s the best thing that could happen to any hockey team that picks him. While i like personality and all that stuff, this kid sounds like he needs a real wake up call. Having said that, i’d rather interview his friends and see what they are like, and what they think of him. If he isn’t just a showboat/cocky SOB for the camera and any other bad traits. If his team mates love him, while other team’s and players hate him, that is a guy you might want on your team. Especially if he has the talent to rival mcdavid. You’ll need a couple vet’s to get this kid’s ego under control.

      Having said all that, i’d be ok with us trying to pick him with our 2nd rounder if he’s still available. Hell even a late first if we get one. We have most of our core set up for the next 10 years, so we can afford to take a gamble on a top talent, hoping we can settle him down a bit in terms of his ego, while getting the talent of a first overall type player. Once drafted though, this is the type of player you make work his ass off to make it to the NHL though

  • KJ

    Say what you want about Spezza, but fuck if I am not going to miss his exciting goal scoring ability!! Watching highlights on TSN. D’oh.

  • I’m just sayin’

    …. and with the 40th pick in the NHL draft Ottawa takes THATCHER DEMKO

  • WaitingSince92

    Wow! I know it’s just a silly TSN blog, but to beat out Katz & Wang for incompetent bumbling is no small feat. Attaboy Eugene!

    http://www.tsn.ca/bardown/Story.aspx?The%2BNHL%25e2%2580%2599s%2BAlternative%2BAwards&id=455591

  • sprucesens

    for those interested in ho sang, he actually sounds much more mature in this interview for the 2014 combine. I think maybe the other articles sum up a bunch of his quotes, but who knows when they were said. This does make him sound a little more tame, while still embracing his competitive nature. I’d be on board with this type of pick, but i doubt murray is.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXILWoaWG7Q

    • FistsofNeil25

      I don’t really care what the kid says. If he’s got top 5 skill and he’s still available when the Sens pick, it would be crazy not to draft him. He’s 18 years old. He’ll grow up.

      He has the high end skill that the Sens should be looking for. He did say that once he’s drafted, he’ll do anything and everything his team asks of him to make it to the NHL.

      • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

        I wonder if he could be another Maidens type pick( although he didn’t work out) but was expected to go first round prior to his injury

        • jimmyjohnson

          *facepalm*

          • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

            Holy shit idiot.. In the sense that there are enough question marks about his character (or in Maidens case injury) that he will drop down the rankings far enough for us to grab.

            You really can’t possibly be this stupid all the time.

          • jimmyjohnson

            You compare Ho Sang to Maidens.

            I compare him to Mcfarland.

            You say I’m an idiot.

            You don’t know much about this game and you act like you’ve got some great opinion.

            Trust me: you don’t.

            You say so many dumb things. You just don’t realize it.

  • Harv

    Was watching the NHL Awards show last night and they had a clip on of Claude Giroux scoring against the Senators. It was a montage so the scene went by quickly and I rewound it to make sure I saw what I saw. There to the right of Giroux was the reason we no longer can live with Spezza.

    19 was coasting across in front of the goal towards Giroux who was just getting the puck on his stick to the right of Anderson. Spezza was coasting with his stick stuck out pointed at Giroux. No effort to skate to his check. His feet never moved. He looked like a peewee trying to maintain his balance. No effort to move his stick in any meaningful way. It was just stuck out, laying on the ice pointing at the guy who was about to score. No effort at all. When Giroux scored he turned left and coasted away. During this whole time, Spezza was maybe ten feet away and two quick pumps of his legs would have at least allowed him to tie up Giroux.

    How many times have we seen that?

    • Tooks

      Karlsson has done the same, many, many times…So has Cowen, Phillips…

      • runningbear1974

        Not good if you’re putting Spezza is same category as Cowen and Phillips… Lets hope Karlsson doesn’t stay in that category as well…

  • FBP

    Every morning no trade.

    I’d have to think now that the UFA courting period is open, someone will woo Michalek with the veiled promise of more than 3.3 million.

  • Dirk-Diggler

    Let’s hope Milan gets a good offer from Arizona to join his brother. I like Milo but this team needs to cut the old guys (Michalek, Phillips and Neil) and fully embrace the youth movement. If we acquire veterans, make sure they can take a regular shift night after night.

    What I’d like to see is Michalek gone, Neil traded, Greening traded (or bought out) and Phillips given #6 playing minutes. Let all the kids come and push the vets out the door.

    • FistsofNeil25

      Michalek can’t take a regular shift? I’m not all excited about re-signing Michalek either but have you seen the UFA crop this summer? It’s absolutely terrible. Michalek is still on of the better UFA’s out there and the one thing we know about him is that he actually wants to play for Ottawa.

      If we let go of Milo we’ll have to overpay another UFA to come here just to reach the cap floor.

      • Dirk-Diggler

        Yes milo can take a regular shift… for about 50 games.. And also at $3.5M+ we could be spending that more wisely elsewhere… I’d be OK with him getting a 2 year deal but longer that that and it’s just a contract in the way of a younger and better player from getting top 6 minutes.

        • FistsofNeil25

          As of right now we don’t have a younger, better player on the left wing than Milo and like I said, you aren’t going to get a better UFA than Michalek for 3.5M

          I agree that it should only be a two year deal but a third year wouldn’t be the end of the world. We just don’t really have many alternatives at this point in time.

          • Dirk-Diggler

            Sure we do…

            MacArthur-Turris-Stone
            Hoffman-Zibanejad-Ryan
            Lazar-Smith-Puempel
            Condra-Pageau-Neil

          • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

            Although I don’t really hate that lineup.. It is EXTREMELY young, which again I don’t really have a massive problem with, just not convinced if we went this route that we’d hit the cap floor.

          • Dirk-Diggler

            I didn’t even include what we will be getting back in the Spezza trade!

          • FistsofNeil25

            Is that a suggested line up for this year or in 3 years from now?

            Lazar doesn’t play the left wing. Puempel isn’t NHL ready and Hoffman is barely an NHL player let alone a top six player.

          • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

            Think about the outcome though… Top 2-3 is very likely with that lineup right now

          • FistsofNeil25

            The top pick is even likely but that’s not Bryan’s goal next year. Plus, if we’re going to tank next year and go after a top pick, I would rather do it with guys like Greening and Michalek etc than young guys like Lazar and Puempel. I’d rather our top prospects be put in good situations than have to slug it out on a terrible hockey team.

          • Dirk-Diggler

            Sorry I didn’t know what sides Lazar and Puempul play…

            I think Hoffmas has the speed to be a T6 winger and hopefully he can show it this year with a 20-25 goal season.

            Ans, as I said that lineup doesn’t even include the return on Spezza (hopefully it consists of DSP or Etem) and that can drop Puempel back into the AHL for now.

            But, hey we all brag about our farm system and how good a job Murray did with restocking it. Well, don’t you want to see what’s there?

          • FistsofNeil25

            I want to see what’s there when each guy is ready. I think asking Stone, Hoffman, Lazar, Puempel and Pageau to all make the jump to being full time is asking far far too much. I think Stone and Hoffman will get there shot and probably Lazar. Pageau and Puempel can put in another year in the A.

            Also, we’d have to add about 6 million in salary through the Spezza trade just to reach the cap floor with that line up you suggested.

            That group of forwards along with our 8 defenseman and 2 goalies would come in somewhere in the 46-47 million range. If The cap floor is 52M we’d have to add 5-6M in salary and Garrioch reported our internal budget will be somewhere around 56-57M.

  • Tooks

    Amazing to see all the conservative maggots shitting all over Cuba Gooding Jr, I thought he brought life to yet another dull NHL Award Show, George wasnt getting any laughs, was awkward at best and the rest of the NHL players were same as always, super serious….until Cuba unleashed himself on the NHL, lol.

    Love that guy!

    • FistsofNeil25

      He was definitely the highlight of a very dull awards show.

      • Dirtysweetness

        God it was painful to watch last night….and I was half in the bag!

        • RUSH RLZ

          It should just be one hour of awesomeness. Other than hammered presenters, the award acceptances were really good. The Dominic Moore acceptance… wow that was awesome but hard to watch, took a lot of moxy for sure. Some of the promos were cool, but dumb shit like break dancers, that stupid song that dude wrote, the B-list award thing by Strombo… all that subsidiary stuff was just awful.

          • Harv

            The song guy actually made Strombolupulous look not too bad.

          • RUSH RLZ

            You know what else was awful? Other than IMO they emphasized the LA Cup a bit toooooo much, was their grimy f**king mascot. Is that thing a rat? A lion? I dunno but Jeebus!

            Another annoyance… I am glad I didn’t play the “everytime they show a highlight of the Sens being scored on, take a drink” because I probably would have had to call in sick this morning, I swear they used that in ~65% of the highlight clips.

          • Harv

            Balanced by the McArthur and Hemsky brilliance, though.

        • RUSH RLZ

          Oh and I thought the ‘celebrity’ intros for the history of the particular awards was very cool, the Lady Bing, King Clancy and Jack Adams in particular.

    • Dirk-Diggler

      I never watched it but I am glad Cuba was there. I do not care much for George Stromo… (whatever his name is)….

      • RUSH RLZ

        How can you chime in one way or the other when you didn’t even see it? *boggles into thin air*

    • EK65

      He was clearly wasted and they had to bleep him out several times. He was a disaster for an already disastrous award ceremony.

    • peetypuck

      The NHL must have “SHOWED HIM THE MONEY”!!!

    • RUSH RLZ

      Whatever, he was a total idiot last night. Probably hammered on coke.

      It is one thing to be a bit edgy, liven things up a bit, but he was making other presenters and award winners uncomfortable, interrupting, and a couple of guys didn’t even get in their acceptance speech. Total asswipe.

      And I love CRASS like no other. Really awful filthy stuff, but there is a time and a place. Last night was not it. I was rather hoping Messier would pull Cuba’s shirt over his head and start throwing haymakers.

      Only a re-tread like yourself would suggest people are conservative maggots for criticizing his behavior.

      • Harv

        Did you get the impression that Messier was told to say what a great job Strombopulupululu was doing last night? I can’t imagine Messier would actually tell bald faced lies like that in public.

    • FBP

      Why the vulgarity? Cuba was annoying at best.

      The worst part was how awkward and forced Strombo was as we have to watch him host games for at least the next year.

    • WaitingSince92

      Wait… people actually watch the NHL awards?

      There’s your problem…

    • Harv

      Cuba was annoying but, yes, at least he was alive. Strombolupulupulus was a write off. It was all about HIM! I just hope he does not last on HNIC.

  • FistsofNeil25

    Callahan re-signs in Tampa for 6 years @ 5.8M per.

    • EK65

      Wow, sounds like he just wanted out of New York maybe? Wasn’t he asking at least 6.5-7 mil a season? Probably just priced them out and signed in a place he deemed more suitable

      • CohMa

        Also doesn’t Florida have no or very low state tax? I’m sure it’s a huge difference compared to New York.

        • EK65

          Not just that, the average cost of living would be much much cheaper.

          But when you’re making 5.8 mil per year, I don’t want to hear anyone complain about their “cost of living” haha

        • Harv

          Florida has no state income tax, low property taxes, low sales tax and a fair bottle of Merlot costs $3.99. Expensive Merlot is in the $8.00 range.

    • FistsofNeil25

      Tampa also bought-out Malone. Stay far away Murray…stay very far away..

      • Keregan

        Wonder if he was done sniffing his 28gr of cocaine lol

    • EK65

      @TSNSteveLloyd

      “If Callahan resigns today: In the end, Yzerman gets Callahan, Two 1st round picks and a 7th, for St. Louis and a 2nd. Wow. #TBL #NYR”

      • whammer44

        They also have to pay Callahan almost $35M which may not look so great in a couple of years. That said Bolts win the trade just with the draft picks alone

    • Pasky

      That’s actually not that bad of a contract for him and the team. Would you rather have Callahan at 5.8M, or Clarksson at 5.25M? I’m thinging he’s gonna be pretty banged up by the end of the contract though, kind of liek Mike Richards now, because of their style of play.

      • Hax

        Every contract looks good compared to Clarkson’s.

  • EK65

    I wonder how many agents will be secretly leaking information regarding which teams are inquiring about their players in hopes of driving up the price. I hope we’ll see lots of it leaked by Chirp or by others on Twitter today! I need some excitement soon and the anticipation is killing me!

  • peetypuck

    I’ve noticed the CDN$ has been trending upwards. It has been holding strong at $0.93+ USD for a week now. At seasons end this year the CDN$ was bouncing around between $0.90 and $0.91 CDN. I remember reading a few years ago that every 1cent gain means about $500,000 extra in revenue for Canadian teams. If it keeps moving upwards Melnyk will see another winfall in profits next season. He now only spends 50% of revenue on salary compared to 57% due to the new CBA along with millions in new revenue from two new TV contracts.

    • jimmyjohnson

      This Canadian $ going up has more to do with the US continued propping up of their economy. If and when they correct their fiscal policy, both dollars will suffer. What you’ve noted here is paper gain, but it’s an apparition.

      The market is heading for a tumble too. Tough times ahead.

      • peetypuck

        The numbers for the US’ GDP for last quarter just came out. They were terrible, big drop. It only matters how the CDN$ does compared to the US$.

  • Tooks

    Had to be posted again, sorry but its hilarious!

    Harold Ballard Award
    Awarded to the owner who best contributes to the downfall of a franchise

    Winner: Eugene Melnyk (Senators)
    Runners-up: Daryl Katz (Oilers) and Charles Wang (Islanders)

    One day some forensic accountant will look into the Ottawa Senators’ Melnyk and discover some kind of Ponzi scheme at play that will make Bernie Madoff look like Zell Kravinsky. I’m sure of it. Melnyk’s time as the Sens’ owner has been witness to a trend of talent leaving the nation’s capital for unspoken reasons. Dany Heatley, Daniel Alfredsson, and now Jason Spezza (pending) have all forced an escape from Ottawa. Melnyk wraps his dodgy finances in a thin veil of crazy, like hiring forensic doctors to investigate Matt Cooke’s skate to Erik Karlsson’s Achilles. The result? A team that missed the playoffs, does not have a first round draft pick, is about to trade their best player, and is seemingly on the precipice of a full on rebuild. Good luck getting Ottawans out to Kanata to watch that

    • WaitingSince92

      I do take issue with “is about to trade their best player”. Spezza maybe on the move but Karlsson ain’t going anywhere.

  • Alfieformayor11

    Kyle Turris Offseason: mostly in Ottawa, training HARD, and working with charities

    Erik Karlsson Offeseason: first 3 weeks in Hawaii, now 2 weeks in Paris.. NO training. no charity work.

    hmmmmmm

    Karlsson might be more skilled But

    Turris’ work ethic destroys Karlssons

    • Mitchell

      There’s a leader on our team with an even lighter worth ethic, Phillips.

    • FistsofNeil25

      All players take the first few weeks of the offseason to relax and regroup. It’s stupid to say he isn’t training though. He’s posted pics on his tumblr of him doing squats and he’s also mentioned that he’s been doing some cross fit.

      As far as I can tell he’s always trained hard. He got a lot bigger last summer too.

    • Hax

      Praise Turris all you want – he deserves every bit of it. But you’re making silly assumptions about Karlsson that have no foundation.

      • Alfieformayor11

        how is that an assumption? I know he hasn’t done any charity work, because he hasn’t been in Ottawa for 5 minutes since the exit interviews.. I also know that he hasnt been training very much because I asked his girlfriend to make sure he isn’t slacking, and she told me (he told her) he doesn’t START training until sometime august

        lmao

    • A-Train

      That’s great for Kyle Turris. But stay in the real world. Questioning Karlsson’s work ethic is just asinine.

      (BTW wasn’t Wade Redden one of the most charitable players in Sens history?)

      • RUSH RLZ

        I was thinking that last night watching the awards. Wade’s World! Wade’s World! Was he the first player to buy his own private box for sick kids? I think so but not 100% sure.

  • Dirtysweetness

    I think Stastny re-signs, PA Parenteau is dealt, Kesler is dealt to the Rangers and Spezza becomes a loser Cowboy’s fan as he goes to Texas. On a side note, Eugene slips of his boat in Barbados and is never seen or heard from again.

    • Pasky

      I thought Kesler only wanted to go to Chicago or Pittsburgh last I heard. Why Pittsburgh wants him I have no idea. He might be good but Crosby-Malkin-Sutter is not something that needs an upgrade. Especially with their back end possibly losing a couple of bodies.

      • Dirtysweetness

        I find it had to believe Vancouver trades Kesler to a team in the west. Same reason Murray won’t (or doesn’t want to) trade Spezza to an Eastern Conference team.

        • Pasky

          Especially with the rivalry that use to exist, but Kesler can only waive to 6 teams, and I think the whole Chicago/Pittsburgh came about because those were the two interested teams on his list. From what I remember anyways.

      • FistsofNeil25

        All the latest reports from Dreger and MacKenzie say that it’s a two horse race between Chicago and Anaheim right now and that other teams have backed off.

        • Pasky

          Probably with Anahiem in the mix it’s holding up the Spezza trade offers a bit. I still see Spezza to St-Louis, Kesler to Chicago, and Stastny to Anaheim if he doesn’t resign. Best options for all 3 teams.

          • FistsofNeil25

            I’d rather see Stastny to St Louis and Spezza to Anaheim. I like the pieces Anaheim has to offer a lot more. They have way more intriguing prospects.

          • CUP 2014-15

            I still like Arizona to come out of the woods here and I very much like Domi and Samuelsson plus many others they have

          • FistsofNeil25

            That works for me too. At this point I just don’t want to see him go to St Louis. I don’t like any of the roster players they have to offer and none of their prospects are all that great.

            Anaheim, Dallas, and Phoenix have more to offer I think.

          • CUP 2014-15

            agreed, going to be a fun 48-72 hours, bring on the beers and wings etc.

    • Alfieformayor11

      Ottawa could have traded Phillips for Parenteau last season.. almost 1 for 1..

      I wish that Melnyk story were true

      • WaitingSince92

        Easy now. Almost no one likes Melnyk, but there’s no need to joke about him dying. A little much, no?

        • FistsofNeil25

          No one said we wanted him to die. We just want him to disappear! Ever seen that movie “Overboard”?

          • Pasky

            WWIIILLLLLLSSSSOOOOONNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!

  • AutoTurris

    What do y’all think of a third line of Greening – Smith – Lazar? I know, Greening is shit, but I feel like he knows he has to fill out offensively if he wants to still play here. He’s not dumb, he had a 3.9 GPA. That line would be high energy and if Greening, and Smith to an extent, could come out of their slumps, it’d be a great third line to watch.

    • Pasky

      If we’re stuck with Greening I can live with it, but if Chicago is interested in Greening and we ship him out, I’d like to see Michalek-Smith-Lazar if he resigns with us. But that would leave a hole in the Top 6 on the left side, which would have to get filled from Spezza trade.

    • A-Train

      I could roll with that. I still cling to the idea that Smith could be something more. As for Greening, #fancystats will tell you there’s just no hope. But you never know…

      • AutoTurris

        Did this up, changed it around a bit;

        Spezza + Boro to STL for Shatty + Berglund

        FORWARDS
        Clarke MacArthur ($3.250m) / Kyle Turris ($3.500m) / Bobby Ryan ($5.100m)
        Milan Michalek ($3.300m) / Mika Zibanejad ($0.894m) / Mark Stone ($0.603m)
        Colin Greening ($2.650m) / Patrik Berglund ($3.000m) / Curtis Lazar ($0.894m)
        Mike Hoffman ($0.750m) / Zack Smith ($1.888m) / Chris Neil ($1.900m)
        Erik Condra ($1.250m) /
        DEFENSEMEN
        Erik Karlsson ($6.500m) / Kevin Shattenkirk ($4.250m)
        Marc Methot ($3.000m) / Patrick Wiercioch ($2.000m)
        Jared Cowen ($3.100m) / Eric Gryba ($1.000m)
        Chris Phillips ($2.500m) /
        GOALTENDERS
        Craig Anderson ($3.188m)
        Robin Lehner ($1.500m)
        BONUS OVERAGE
        $0
        ——
        CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
        (estimations for 2014-15)
        SALARY CAP: $71,100,000; CAP PAYROLL: $56,016,667; BONUSES: $1,480,000
        CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $15,083,333

        • A-Train

          Looks nice. But that trade’s optimistic. You’re also opening the whole “Ceci in Bingo” can of worms. I’m not necessarily opposed though…

        • Pasky

          Swap Weir with Boro. Melnyk wont mind paying him 550k to sit the bench, but Phillips is playing on that bottom pairing. And Michalek might sign for more than 3.3M so money works out the same.

          Methot-Karlsson
          Cowen-Shattenkirk
          Phillips-Gryba
          Borocop

          • WaitingSince92

            Sometimes players need more time to develop in the minors, but I think in Ceci’s case, having played so strongly and capably at the NHL level, going to the AHL roster might be a setback to his development at this point.

          • Pasky

            To me its less about ability and more about roster spots. once Gryba gets signed that leaves the team with 7 1-way contracts so unless there’s a trade BM isn’t keeping two Ds in the press box at once he already said that last year he didn’t want to do that again, so the writings on the wall as far as I’m concerned. I still wouldn’t be surprised to see the team trade away Weir, as he isn’t effective on the right side, and the left side already has Methot-Cowen-Phillips penciled in.

    • Hax

      I generally like Greening, but I keep hearing about how smart he is. When I watch him he appears to have low hockey IQ. He seems to be out of position often (unless his “position” is something off a practice drill). Especially with creative players (Spezza) he seems to have no instincts for how a play might develop.

      He seems to follow instructions perfectly (hence his playing time) but in terms of “hockey smarts” I find him lacking.

      • Doc

        Well, maybe in terms of hockey smarts, but the guy went to Cornell. He’s definitely no slouch.

        • Hax

          Not for a minute questioning his book smarts or general intelligence. Only his “hockey sense”.

  • Pasky

    Man I wish this team had deep pockets, although a smart GM and owner to manage it. The Rangers right now have 12 players signed to contracts, and their combined salary is over 58M, and that’s not counting the Redden or Richards buyouts. That’s half of an NHL team and it’s over our internal cap. Depressing shit right there.

    • laughing

      Meh … I wouldn’t be envious of the Rangers’ bad spending.

  • ill district

    lol @ Callahan deal. What were they thinking? This guy is worth 4mil tops! He’s second line caliber at best. 8 Seasons, only 3 times has he scored 20 goal or more.. What did he do for Tampa since being acquired? Nothing..

    • EK65

      Goals aren’t everything. He is a leader, gritty, hard-nosed player. He’s worth that money. Plus, they traded St. Louis for him. Makes sense they want to retain him.

    • A-Train

      Future buyout. Tampa looked some unbelievably thin in the playoffs, you’d think they could find somewhere else to spend those $$.

    • CUP 2014-15

      EK65 Nailed it, not all about the numbers and the guy is a born leader, wish I knew who ours was/is. The deal in reality is near 5.5mm from what tsn is reporting. He was offered over 30M for 5 years from NYR and turned it down.

      • FistsofNeil25

        It’s 6 years @ 5.8M per. He may be worth that today but he won’t be worth that for long. Sooner than later he’ll be a 3rd line player and you don’t pay close to 6M for 3rd liners regardless of how much leadership they bring.

        Regardless though, he would have got that same money somewhere else.

        • CUP 2014-15

          Thanks, so 50,000 more then Markov in Mtl but three years longer in term. Well I guess we are starting to get a good look at market value early here.

        • whammer44

          yep.

      • A-Train

        I don’t know about these “born leaders”.

        Looking at Callahan’s career the only thing he’s accomplished was an OHL championship with the Guelph Storm (who then flamed out at the Memorial Cup). Can’t take that away from him, but at age 30 it’s hardly Niedermayer-esque.

        If you play a leadership role on a team that wins something I’m prepared to give you points for leadership. If you just look the part or have the right kind of name & nationality…counts for nothing with me.

        • CUP 2014-15

          I hear what your saying but I just tend to look toward who signed him and if Stevey Y feels that he’s a good leader that that works for me.

          • A-Train

            OK, that’s something. The Stevie Y card… fair play.

          • CUP 2014-15

            Always loved watching him play

          • A-Train

            Me too. But the narrative that Spezza would become Stevie Y was part of Jason’s undoing in Ottawa I think.

          • runningbear1974

            Yep, one of the true leaders in the sport…

  • WaitingSince92

    This just in via TSN: nothing new to report.

  • EK65

    Stastny will test the FA market. I’m a huge fan of his, wish we were in a position to make an offer for him. He will be out of our price range, but could be a great #1 to compliment Turris.

    • runningbear1974

      Isn’t he exactly in our price range… We need someone that gets paid a lot…

  • Doc

    Chirp: How serious are the Sens on Statsny? Are they just kicking tires, or do they really want to make an offer? Any word if they are doing the same for ROR?

    Many thanks.

    • A-Train

      Where are we hearing about the Sens and Stastny?

      • Doc

        The many voices in my head.

  • Hax

    More bitches in here lately than a 90s rap video.

    • A-Train

      Unfortunately they stay a lot later than 6 in da mornin’

      **buries head in shame**

    • Guest

    • Doc

      ….

  • KJ

    I think Sens will make a play on Niskanen July 1st. not sure what he’ll cost, but based on his previous contracts, he might fit our structure (unless he is due for a big raise?).

  • A-Train

    Alright. The real world needs me. I expect things to happen while I’m away. May pick up a Bouwmeester Heritage O while I’m out. Feeling lucky….

    • Doc

      Grab a white O’Reilly one for me please.

      I’ll pay you back once you return. Thanks!

    • FistsofNeil25

      Make it two white O’Reillys!

  • SensChirp
  • Big Lue

    I think Karlsson is the clear choice as our future captain, but is he ready to lead now?
    What about Chris Neil as an interim Captain for his final few seasons, then give it to Karlsson?