Would He Come Back?

SensChirp June 10, 2014 512
Would He Come Back?

Let me begin with a bit of a disclaimer.

I do not think Daniel Alfredsson is going to sign with the Ottawa Senators this off season. He enjoyed his time in Detroit and if he’s going to come back for one more season, and all indications are that he will, he’s more than willing to do it in a Red Wings uniform. Alright, now that we have that out of the way…

People are talking. It’s a quiet rumble at this point but a rumble nonetheless. With Alfredsson approaching unrestricted free agency for a second consecutive summer, people in the Ottawa area, some with connections and some without, are quietly asking the question;

Would Alfie come back?

I know what you’re thinking- that bridge was burnt last summer. And you are probably right. The negotiations between Alfredsson and the Senators were ugly. Ottawa had no money and tried to nickel and dime the face of the franchise. But I don’t think it was because they wanted to. Rather, because they had to. The Senators were in a situation where they could not afford to pay Alfredsson the money he was demanding. And they certainly couldn’t afford to add the pieces Alfie was hoping for to make the team a contender.

And then it all sort of came apart when the Owner tried to take matters into his own hands.

But a year has passed and there has been time to heal. He went to Detroit in pursuit of a Cup and came up short. Detroit is a decent team but they won’t be competing for a Cup next year either. He could go back there but even he would admit that a Stanley Cup is a long shot with the Red Wings.  There hasn’t really been any talk about Alfredsson looking to sign with a different contender either.  And it seems unlikely he’d be looking to pick up his family and move to a new city for the second time in 12 months.

And that’s where Ottawa comes into play.  Alfredsson still spends time in the area.  He still has friends here in Ottawa. He has family here. Lehner has been keeping his house warm for him.

The situation in Ottawa has changed a little bit too. With a budget in place, they probably won’t be a contender next season but they will have to spend some money this off season. Michalek, Hemsky and Spezza will all likely come off the books, leaving the team in a situation where they’ll have to spend to get to the cap floor. So rather than commit big money and term to one of the fringe free agents available on the UFA market, maybe they look for a short term option, and capitalize on a chance to right a wrong in the process?  You know the team’s star defenceman would support the decision and after a tough 2013, keeping him happy should sort of be a priority for this organization.

I have no idea if he’ll even answer the phone, but Bryan Murray may want to put a call into to Alfie and his agent this summer.  This team desperately needs a good news story this off season and bringing back Daniel Alfredsson would certainly qualify.

Am I dreaming? Only one way to know for sure…

  • RUSH RLZ

    This would be a smart move by the Sens to course correct their perception to other players as well, and just as importantly to build some buzz heading into next year where we’ve heard that season tickets aren’t being gobbled up as quickly as we’d like etc.

    For all the sick terrible anger, depression and vitriol from that fateful day last July, it sure would be nice to have a bit of that corrected.

    I for one would welcome it. Besides, sounds like we’ll have a vacancy at “C”.

    • Tooks

      Yeah no kidding it would be GREAT for the Sens…but I highly doubt Alfie does the Sens yet another favour…

      • RUSH RLZ

        This would go a long way toward preserving his Legacy I am sure, especially in Ottawa. And that would be advantageous to Him in many ways, including opportunities and $$$.

        • SensChirp

          Yea- sorta hoping that matters to him more than a long shot chance at a Cup in Detroit.

          • Tooks

            Well its not that much of a longshot. they are probably somewhere in the top 10 in Cup winning chances…

            L.A.
            Chicago
            Boston
            NYR
            ANA
            PIT
            SJ
            STL
            DET
            TB

          • TookieIs100PercentRight

            Alfie said he didn’t care about his legacy here. He uprooted his family and broke his ties to everything. It’s over. Let the org suffer the consequences of lost money and goodwill and learn from this moving forward (IE: Do NOT mess with Karlsson, if he leaves the team should be blown up from the top down).

        • Tooks

          I think we know just how much he cares about his Legacy…Its Cup for him, nothing else matters.

          • Miguel

            yah but Detroit will not win a cup during his presence there, and retiring in Detroit, would be like Wade Redden’s retirement… very quietly, and quickly forgotten

  • thepez

    I think it would be one way for Melnyk to win back some of the fans. If it is true that ticket sales are lagging maybe just maybe they make this move. I know for a fact that it would be a great message sending move for EK65

  • Hax

    I can see some of the potential positives, but why would someone put a band-aid back on after already ripping it off?

    • SensChirp

      Because the wound hasn’t healed yet…

      • Hax

        I suppose. But I think we’d just end up going through another identity crisis when he retires. Or even worse he could go all Favre on us.

        • Jakester

          It would be for a year.

      • Jakester

        Plus Turris and Karlsson just love the dude!

        • SensChirp

          This is a huge part of it, I think

        • FistsofNeil25

          so does Maclean. Everyone loves him except for Eugene.

  • FistsofNeil25

    Can’t believe you’d go there with this post Chirp! I’m sure a lot of fans and most players on the team would welcome him back with open arms.

    I don’t care that he left. I don’t hold that against him. I fuckin’ love Alfie.

    • Alfieformayor11

      nope, sorry.. name’s taken lol

      • FistsofNeil25

        you son of a bitch lol

        • Tooks

          You guys dont know how funny that exchange was….

  • Hax

    I guess if we assume that Spezza is getting traded then having Alfie spend another year as captain while Turris/Karlsson/Ryan etc make their case to take over the following year isn’t such a bad idea.

    • FistsofNeil25

      Better than Phillips being the captain.

      • Tooks

        I would agree but part of Alfie’s descision to leave was that he didnt want to be “that guy” anymore. Its really is a reach but it is June so why not. Gets the post counts up! LOL

  • Doc

    I know there’s not much to talk about, but really Chirp? This isn’t your usual M.O. so I’m surprised by this post.

    • SensChirp

      Was expecting some of this reaction. On a quiet day in June, I thought I could get away with it.

      It has come up in discussions I’ve had and I’ve seen the subject discussed in the comment section from time to time. Thought if nothing else it would make for some interesting debate.

      • FistsofNeil25

        All you’ve done is made me sad.

        • Tooks

          Get hopes up only to get crushed!

        • Darryl

          I’m a huge Sens fan and it all started with Alfie. I can say that I was honestly shocked at how sad it made me when I read that he moved on last year. I was sitting there thinking “I’m a grown ass man and this is a hockey team, why they hell does this make me so sad?”.

          So thanks for rekindling that, Chirp … ya bastard. (unless Alfie comes back in which case, my apologies good sir!)

          • FistsofNeil25

            I was 25 last summer and when I got the notification on my phone that said “Daniel Alfredsson has agreed to a 1 year contract with the Detroit Red Wings” my heart sank and I honestly cried haha like real tears no joke. I had to take a break at work

            We knew something was wrong though when a new contract hadn’t been in place the days before free agency began. It was dark day in Ottawa,

          • Uncle JOe

            I was on the golf course.. I put 4 balls in the woods off the tee after my buddy (a red wing fan none the less) texted me the news… hahahah

      • Hax

        Meh I didn’t see anything in your article about “an unnamed source has told me” or anything like that. Just a topic for discussion.

      • Doc

        Sadness for all! ;)

      • Miguel

        Chirp don’t apologize, we needed to break away from the doldrums, of the harsh reality that is facing this team next year, and completely agree, that for all he bad moves lately, this could certainly right a wrong, and win back some loyal fans.
        It would be a WIN/WIN for all involved, and quite honestly, the tearing him out of the Sens Jersey, would have been much more difficult, than it would be to the put the Sens #11 Jersey back on :-)

  • Tooks

    No chance in hell as long as Melnyk and probably Murray are in Ottawa. Alfie still wants to win remember and he cant do that in Ottawa, he wants to be on a playoff team and thats what Detroit is. They had a year from hell with all those injuries and played BOS in the first round, lol.

    With the young guys getting better (Nyquist, Sheehan, Abdelkader, Tatar, Jurco) and the right mix of vets (Zet, Datsyuk, Alfie, Kronwall, Bert) they are going to be a solid bet to make the playoffs.

    Only thing is goaltending, but Howard was also hurt throughout the year and Gust played great so who knows.

    Why would he leave that to play a year on a team that just shipped out their #1C and dont even have a solid top 6?

    Just doesnt make sense for him. For the Sens, it makes all the sense in the world.

    • aegiszx

      This.

      That people still refuse to acknowledge the Wings as a “contender” just baffles me.

      Granted, their D is questionable aside from Kronwall but… its still on par with what we have if not more stable. Everyone knows our D relies on Karl but theirs relies on a much more balanced group. You take Karl out of the line up and whooo youve got big ol JC2 and CP4 LOL

      Howard > Andy
      Nyquist/Pavel/Z > Turris/Ryan/Mac
      Kronwall > CP4/JC2/MM

      • SensChirp

        Ya, I wasn’t thinking is Ottawa a better team than Detroit. But rather, does Detroit really present him with a chance at a Cup and is that outside shot more important than a chance to retire a Senator.

        I mean, I have no indication that retiring here matters to him, but those are the two things I’m weighing.

        • Tooks

          Absolutely, winning a Cup is what you work so hard for your whole career. He has a signifcantly better chance to accomplish that with the Red Wngs than he does with the Sens.

          Its an honor to retire with a 1 team career but IMO the Cup far outweighs it.

          • SensChirp

            I agree. But I don’t think he has any chance at a Cup in Detroit, realistically. And I’m hoping he feels the same way

          • Tooks

            Not sure about that, a healthy Detroit team beat ANA in 7 and took the Hawks to 7 and lost in OT…They could easily represent the West with a tad of good luck. but yeah, as long as he has a better chance in DET, why would he come back to Ottawa to linger for a year…

          • SensChirp

            East. But ya, they could get through. Anyone can in the East. But they looked nowhere close against Boston.

          • Tooks

            Yeah sorry East, which is even easier…
            In the BOS series they were without key bodies and at one point without a #1 goalie. Although Gust played great.

        • Miguel

          bang on Chirp, and even the immortal Alfie as each day gets closer to his last game, he too must weigh the options… #1 is winning a cup, will it happen in Detroit in a year or two… NO. So how does he want to go out? A sideline article in Detriot? Or a legacy on National TV in Ottawa?
          There is no doubt he is thinking of this during this summer

      • Hax

        Your neighbor’s grass is really, really green isn’t it?

        • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

          Hahahahhaha

        • Tooks

          Its reality, you shouldnt be shocked by it. And yes the grass is always greener on the other side!! lol

          • OleHeaveHoFlipperoooni

            At first…

      • Tooks

        Their D aint that bad, they got a terrible match up vs the Bruins and were without some key bodies…

        Kronwall Ericksson
        Smith Kindl
        DeKeyser Lashoff
        Not in order but that aint half bad, its decent and will only get better.

        • Miguel

          slice it any way you want, they just made the playoffs, and were a first round exit, to a team that did not even go on to represent the East… Yes they are far enough off, and Alfie will not win with Detroit or Ottawa, so the question becomes how does he want to retire? A Hero or a Dud

        • Sandy

          Pretty good chance that Dan Boyle ends up in Detroit?

      • CR Sens

        Just because they’re stronger than us in some/all areas doesn’t make them a contender – hell, we’re far from contending ourselves

  • thepez

    Teemu Selanne went back to the Ducks after leaving so why the hell not? Only thing that worries me is hopes may get high and then we will be let down again.

    • Tooks

      Well for 1, Teemu didnt have an ugly contract dispute, he had no ill will towards Owner/Management, 2 the Ducks are/were always contenders.

      • thepez

        Can you let me dream a little before giving me the reality slap???

  • FBP

    I can’t even think about this.

  • Jakester

    I’ve had this funny feeling that Alfie might be coming back. When Spezz came back in the Pitts series and sort of Ruined our Peskiness( I’ve had this feeling that Alfie hasn’t liked his effort level for some time now) ,that with Spezz gone I believe Alfie might be in the cards! So put me in the YES group!

    • Hax

      Which touches on a whole new slew of rumors that will come out about Alfie really leaving because he didn’t get along with Spezza and/or Spezza wanting Alfie gone so he could be captain etc.

      • Jakester

        Alfie’s body language, that game when Spezza came back(game 3), and subsequent games in that series, plus the comment on if they could come back(all pointed towards him doubting the commitment of certain players). It was Alfie’s way of saying it. Cuz till that point in time, Alfie was enjoying being the leader of the Pesky Sens. I think he felt, why is Spezza coming back if he really can’t help the team!

    • Machine Gun Dolly

      Oh boy…your hate for Spezza just took a new leap. Your comment is just ridiculous. If Alfie disliked Spezza so much why is Spezza and Karlsson the only teamates he called to let them know he was leaving?

  • Joshua Delorme

    I would do it!!! 1 year contract @ 6M. He has always taken a pay cut in Ottawa and last year they wanted him to take an even bigger one! The man is always going to be a hero in my heart and he BELONGS in a Senators uniform. Bring him back, and its not like they won’t be able to throw some kind of money at him with Spezza/Michalek/Hemsky all leaving, a little bit of experience and leadership from him wouldn’t hurt on a young team!

    • OverMind

      if an offer goes out to Alfie it has to be 8 mil. it has to rectify the 1 year at 1 mil because if part of the reason for leaving was the money then you gotta throw money at him to get him back.

      may the gods make this happen!

      • Doc

        8 millions for Alfie? Really?

        • OverMind

          think of it as an investment in marketing, PR, etc. i firmly believe even at 8 mil the sens will more than make up for that salary at the box office.

          • Doc

            It wouldn’t work for so many reasons.

            You could try to pitch that idea to Melnyk though…see how that goes.

  • Frank

    With all the negative vibes surrounding this offseason, this would be a BRILLIANT move by the Sens. Ticket sales would instantly go up and fans would have something positive to talk about.
    One little problem: Melnyk has way too much pride to do this even though he knows it would be beneficial to the team, the city and the fans

  • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

    I think perceptually it may be a smart move to right the wrong… But in reality this sets us even further back and IMHO would indicate an even bigger issue than there already is.

    • SensChirp

      Go on…?

      • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

        Of having no real direction. Going back on something that for whatever reason we decided to move on from a full season later will just further make it difficult to get into the post Alfie era

        • SensChirp

          Maybe. But I don’t think they ever really intended to move on from the Alfie era. They just botched it. And now there’s sort of a unique opportunity in that, the current Captain is moving on anyway.

          • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

            I do agree that at this point Alfie does make really the only sense as the next captain… I also wouldn’t be THAT shocked (assuming he was ok with it) that happening and at the end of the season or start of next kind of having a passing of the torch to Karlsson, where he essentially makes it seem like he is choosing the new assistant captains.

          • sbs138

            as much as we all love Karlsson, I don’t think he would be a good choice for Captain.

          • Tooks

            From a Sens standpoint your absolutely right, we NEED Alfie to right sooooo many wrongs and it wouldnt hurt our team…

            But Alfie doesnt need us, not at this point in his career, he wants to win a Cup. It makes zero sense from Alfie’s standpoint to comeback to a mess he already left behind, not to mention his shaky relationship with Melnyk.

          • SensChirp

            I agree. The reasons it makes sense for Ottawa FAR outweigh any possible reason why it would make sense for Alfie.

            But I do know this…He never wanted to leave. It wasn’t even on his radar until early July 2013.

            As I said in the article though, I fear that bridge has been burnt.

          • Tooks

            I guess you can “never say never” but yeah, if anyone knows Suzy Spitfire, dreams can come true!! lol

          • Miguel

            Tooks not sure if you realize that how you leave the game, may be almost as important as winning the cup.
            If he retires in Detroit, he will do so behind so many huge greats, that he will be immediately forgotten the very next day, and even though we will mark the day of his retirmenent it will haways have that asterick rieminding everyone that he did not finish his carreer a s a Senator. Whether you want to put any crednence to it or not, i do very much believe that Alfie is serioulsy thinking about how he leaves his last game in the NHL, either as one of the best players to ever play for his team, or as Wade Redden, which would you choose?

        • MethotToMyMadness

          I agree with Chirp, the Sens didn’t decide to move on from Alfie. It was a complete mess that erupted like a volcano when Management hoped he’d take another home town discount.

          • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

            I agree, but it does not negate the fact that they had to move on

  • Phil.

    Would Alfie be willing to apologize?
    I know the trend here has been to blame EM for anything and everything, but I can’t accept that Alfie doesn’t have his part in this fiasco. He felt disrespected and felt he was owed money. I get it. Still, he could have been the mature one but wasn’t. He chose to leave.

    • Doc

      Oh, you’re a keeper.

      Carry on!

    • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

      #thefansfault

  • MethotToMyMadness

    Anything is possible!

  • Pasky

    Our forward group can actually look good without taking into account what we get in a Spezza trade:

    Ryan-Turris-Stone
    MacArthur-Zibanejad-Alfredsson
    Hoffman-Lazar-Condra
    Greening-Smith-Neil
    Pageau-Da Costa

    Hate to split Mac and Turris but pairing him with Zib and Alfie is a sexy 2-way line… A man can dream lol

  • whammer44

    As much as I love alfie, if the team has the money to sign him to a $5-6 mill/yr contract I would rather they spent it on someone who would be part of the long term plan.

    • Pasky

      So would I but look at the free agents this year there’s aren’t alot of long term 5-6M players that interest me. The list would be Moulson, Callahan and Stastny, and the last 2 apparently want more than 6M so we’re out.

    • SensChirp

      But who though? I would agree with that approach generally but don’t know that I would throw that at anyone on the market long term. Nice thing about Alfie is it would be the same kind of cap hit but on a one year deal.

      • Mat

        Radim Vrbata. That’s the guy we should be going after.

        • MethotToMyMadness

          I 100% agree on this statement. I’ve been on the Sign Vrbata train for awhile.

          • Doc

            I was on the train before it was mainstream.

      • whammer44

        Its a good question but there are options in the FA pool, Jokinen, Bolland, Grabovski, Vrbata as examples…I would explore those before considering Alfie. Of course it depends what the market is for some of these guys.

    • FistsofNeil25

      But which UFA’s out there are going to be a part of the long-term plan? I think any UFA’s the Sens target this summer will be short term fillers. I don’t see Murray committing long term to Vrbata, Bolland, Jokinen, or Grabovski.

    • Mr. Seller

      I don’t think it would cost that much to get Alfie back. If he was to sign with Ottawa, the main reason would be to re-establish a relationship with the organization and the fans… certainly not for a cup or money.

  • Dirk-Diggler

    It would be a great dream… I could unretire my Alfie jerseys and maybe get a new one in white. But, I would not give him the C, that should go to either Karlsson or Turris and Alfie can help the guy transition.

  • spgottawa

    I suppose that a year ago nobody thought Alfie would leave so, who knows, anything is possible. From a hockey perspective if the return for Spezza doesn’t include a top six forward then a short term contract for a guy who has some offensive skills and character may be a good pickup.
    I would Not make him the captain. Put the C on Karl and A’s on Alfie and Phillips and let the old guys mentor him.

  • Aaron 2.0

    You’re an optimistic guy, Chirp. Hard to see why #11 would come back one short year after an ugly contract dispute, which was apparently made much, much worse by our meddling owner. Sure, he still has connections here. But, he’s so close to retirement. He can pick up and go wherever he wants when that happens. I don’t see any real need for him to move back here. And, I would imagine the desire to come back to this organization would be even less, if rumours about ownership’s role in the dispute are true.

    • Senatollah

      Maybe he wants to play for Ottawa as its captain in its last year before the team gets moved to Vegas.

      • Tooks

        New NHL expansion team….The Las Vegas Bookies?

      • HarvardYaleAndPrincetonMan

        Hamilton (new rink is in Markham)
        Quebec City
        Seattle

        all more likely destinations

        • peetypuck

          Forget Seattle. Moneybags Ballmer just bought the Clippers so there won’t be any new arena being built there at this time and the mayor told Bettman they won’t build it just to get an NHL team.

  • HarvardYaleAndPrincetonMan

    DA11 returning? HMMMMMMM
    Money can make a lot of things happen
    Can’t see Eugene Pinchpenny spending it though.

    • SensChirp

      Generally, I agree. But this time, he has to spend some money

    • Tooks

      He kinda has to, to get to 54-56 Mil. What I dont expect is Alfie to actully WANT to comeback here under his Ownership.

  • Mat

    As far as I can tell, his goal is still to win the cup. Not sure Ottawa qualifies as much as I would love to have him back.

    • SensChirp

      Agreed. But I don’t think Detroit does either.

      • Mat

        Agree as well. Unless Detroit picks up an elite goaltended and a stud defensman (or two) over the summer, that ship has sailed…

    • Phil.

      I don’t think Det was ever his best chance at the cup. I am sure he wants to win it, but I am not convinced that’s why he went to Det. Bos or Pit would have made more sense for the going after the cup argument.

      • Tooks

        Its all a matter of speculation, nothing says BOS and PIT were better choices, they all ended up losing and didnt look like themselves… All 3 are contenders, DET in the East now have as good as a shot as BOS and PIT. I would think his chances are MUCH better in DET than they would be in OTT.

        • Phil.

          Speculation, check. Well for one, I say Bos and Pit would have been better choices (at the time). Obviously neither of them will win the cup this year, but last June both were considered way ahead of Det.
          I don’t see Det as a serious contender. Datsuk and Zetterberg are still very good but beyond their prime. Det only had 5 more points than Ott this past year. That’s not that MUCH better.

          • Tooks

            Yep 5 more points with 313 man games lost to injury. 2nd highest in the NHL last year. They might not be a serious contender but they are still a contender, realistically much more so than Ottawa.

            DET has struggled the last few years, its hard to re-build as they have, never picking in the top 5-10. But I think they are on the upswing, they have re-infused their line up with good young players and still have a mix of elite vets.

      • MethotToMyMadness

        If you ask me, he went to Detroit because it has a long history of solid Swedish players and he’s good friends with those guys off the ice. Did Detroit have a better chance at a Cup, then Ottawa this year? Yes they did. Would they win it, not much of a chance. But at least he had a chance.

  • SENSible Voice

    Both parties came out of this looking bad. It would be the ideal way for both to save face and end things on a good note. I have no trouble seeing this happen. We have to spend and we have to fill some holes on our roster so why not spend $4M on Alfie. Ticket sells are down and that might be one way of bringing back fans that stayed away after the fiasco of last summer.

  • A-Train

    I’m surprised the “Alfie wants a Cup” reasoning is still out there. It was thoroughly debunked by Alfredsson himself when he finally came clean at that CHEO newser. He left because he felt disrespected by the organization. He felt he played the infamous $1 million season on an understanding that the team would make it right on his final contract — and they didn’t. This was an ugly, behind-the-scenes admission. But he clearly did it to debunk the ridiculous “I want to win a Cup therefore I’m signing in Detroit” line that he used on the Detroit Red Wings conference call in the immediate aftermath of the trade.

    Would he like to win a Cup? Sure, but it wasn’t his motivation for leaving the team.

    • Tooks

      It was part of it yes, no matter what he says in a newswer. You could tell he was playing it for the OTT media, hell he was at a charity function in OTT, and the Sens were on a good mini win streak. lol. and the idiot reporter asked, “Regret leaving the Sens now?” cuz a little win streak, lol. Alfie got the last laugh in that one, but classy as he is he didnt get back at that idiot reporter.

      • SensChirp

        What?

        • Tooks

          True story…

      • A-Train

        I’m not really following the last bit there.

        Like all players he would like to win a Cup. But it wasn’t the prime factor in his move a year ago.

        The interesting question today: What is motivating Alfredsson as he looks toward his next one-year deal?

  • sprucesens

    love the pic chirp! doubt alfie comes back, but.. the top might stop spinning…

  • Max Power

    If Alfie came back I would run through the streets like a mad man spreading the good news. I get a smile on my face even thinking about it!!!

  • FBP

    If Alfie came back I’d spend sooooooo much money on retail priced Sens merchandise, season ticket packages for my extended family and high quality Canadian Tire camping, kitchen and/or motor gear. My whole family and friend network would stock up on Natesto and Tefina in order to accentuate and balance the floods of testosterone and endorphin release we’d be experiencing.

    • A-Train

      Aren’t you forgetting all the anti-Putin, pro-Ukraine literature you’d immediately start distributing to friends and neighbours the minute he signs….?

      • bluebuyyoo

        That’s not funny. My family is Ukrainian and there is nothing to joke about. What Melnyk is doing is commendable.

        • A-Train

          I think the joke was about what we could do to motivate Eugene. But sure, if my comment upset you I do apologize.

          • bluebuyyoo

            Thanks A-Train. I recently had to listen to someone bitch about EM “meddling” in Ukrainian affairs. Just touchy about it I guess.

          • peetypuck

            I’m sure that most if not all of us are hoping the best for the citizens of the Ukraine.

  • Don Ciccio

    Doubt it happens but I would be very happy if he came back as well. Imagine the possibilities if he comes back plus the return that they get back from Spezza. If he were to come back then, I would assume that Ottawa would be active in free agency and maybe they could try to entice him by telling him that they would do their best to get him a cup.
    Trade Spezza + Wiercioch to Colorado for ROR and sign A. Markov as a UFA
    MacArthur – Turris – B. Ryan
    R. O’Reilly – Zibanejad – Alfredsson
    HoffmanLazar – Pageau – Stone
    Greening – Smith – NeilCondra (only because Maclean loves these guys together)
    A. Markov – E. Karlsson
    Methot – Ceci
    CowenPhillips – Gryba

    • Mat

      Would love Ryan O Reilly on this team. Would loathe Markov though.

      • Don Ciccio

        Markov would make our pp lethal……Not crazy about his defensive game but could live with it.

        • MethotToMyMadness

          Has there been much talk about Markov testing free agency? He’s one of those Life time Montreal players, who have had his share of injuries, but he seems to have been healthy as of late and he’s always been productive when healthy. I wouldn’t be against a 1 year, 2 max offer, to add some D depth.

          • Tooks

            Well he wouldnt be depth, he’d be in our top 4 for sure. Or did you just mean numbers on D?

          • MethotToMyMadness

            I meant numbers, he’s for sure top 4, prob top 2 if EK wasn’t already in our line up.

            It would be eerily similar to Ottawa signing Gonchar as an FA during the retooling, but Markov has more upside.

          • Tooks

            Yeah I think so, Markov is so used to playing with PK that he would probably fit in very well as EK’s partner. Feeding him one timers!

          • Don Ciccio

            They have to make a decision on Markov because Subban will probably get around 8 mil a yr and I don’t think that they will be able to afford both. I believe Markov is also looking for 3+ yrs on any deal he signs. Mtl has only Emelin and Georges signed on for next year at roughly 4 mil a piece plus you add in Subban at around 8 mil and things start to look a little dicey for Markov……Mtl is also looking to make room for both Beaulieu and Tinordi in next year’s lineup.

        • Mat

          His foot speed is also a big question mark. He was exposed in this year’s playoffs and I don’t think we need another CP4 on this team.. For the PP, assuming PW46 is still with us at the start of camp, I would feel comfortable with a tandem of him and EK65.

      • A-Train

        Given the high-stakes, big-money drama around O’Reilly’s last contract I doubt the Senators get involved.

        • Mr. Seller

          Turris was dealt to us for the very same reason.

          • MethotToMyMadness

            Wasn’t Turris just considered lost in Phoenix? I mean, he found himself at the end of a very short lease and they just didn’t see him working out and looked to get anything in return.

            I don’t see O’Reilly in that situation. Sure he held out, but everyone who knew him, said he was worth it. And now he’s shown that in spades. ROR is a character guy and would make any team better IMO, but I do get the feeling he’d be looking for 1st line duties.

          • Mat

            ROR is a natural born leader, a fitness junkie and he plays the brand of hockey that eastern teams need to rival Boston and compete versus the west. Would be worth the price tag..

          • FistsofNeil25

            What would be the price tag though? Colorado would probably want Zibanejad + Cowen/Ceci + for him.

            We won’t get him for Spezza + Wiercioch as suggested above.

          • A-Train

            Actually, it was an entirely different situation.

            Turris had proven nothing in the NHL and was making very little salary. And besides, it was before the dreaded internal budget in Ottawa.

      • RUSH RLZ

        Yeah and Markov would like to stay + retire in Montreal. We didn’t
        have much like with A. Kovalev in a similar situation, so for that
        reason alone, I’m out.

        • sprucesens

          dragon’s den? lol

    • FistsofNeil25

      What sense does it make for Colorado to trade O’Reilly for Spezza? Spezza may be a better offensive weapon but O’Reilly is 23, a better all round player, and an absolute beast.

      I’m not saying Colorado wouldn’t have interest in Spezza, I just can’t see it at the expense of O’Reilly. I think the only scenario where O’Reilly becomes available is if it’s for a top pairing defenseman. There’s no other reason to trade him if you’re looking at it from their perspective, especially for Spezza+Wiercioch when they already have Duchene and MacKinnon.

      • Don Ciccio

        It really doesn’t make sense but maybe there are still some bad feelings from the Colorado camp when it comes to O’Reilly.

        • FistsofNeil25

          It’s new management in there now though isn’t it? I would love O’Reilly. I just think we would have to give up something pretty valuable to get him. Something more valuable to them than Spezza.

          If I were Colorado, I wouldn’t trade O’Reilly for Spezza with one year left on his contract and Wiercioch who is a bottom pairing puck mover.

          If O’Reilly is truly available, I would offer up any pieces not named Karlsson, Ceci, Lazar and Turris.

          • Doc

            Yeah, he’s at the top of my “Wish the Sens could trade for this guy but likely won’t because he will cost too much and Melnyk and such” list.

            Or my WTSCTFTGBLWBHWCTMAMAS list for short.

          • Don Ciccio

            Any trade that I propose with Spezza’s name on it is with the assumption that he gets extended. Also, Col is pretty desperate for another puck moving dman because we all saw what happened to them once Barrie got injured. I would give Wiercioch a 2nd rd grade and to tell you the truth, I really like him as a player but I just don’t think that Maclean shares the same feeling towards him. We would probably have to add something to get that deal done but I don’t think that it would be unrealistic.
            If Col loses P. Stastny and rumors are that ST.L is really going to make a push for him then, you would have to think that Col would have more of an interest in Spezza……There were also rumours of Col being one of the teams interested in him.
            New management aside, the ownership is still the same and maybe they weren’t to thrilled with O’Reilly. Having said this, if I was Colorado I would be looking to keep him.

  • aegiszx

    Just a thought… Does anyone think that maybe Paul saw something in Methot’s game that made him change his mind about Methot being a top 2 D-man? Did PM see something in Cowen’s game that we missed?

    Are we going to be seeing a lot of JC2-EK65 next season…?

    • FistsofNeil25

      When was Methot ever a legitimate top 2 D-man? He wouldn’t be one on a contending team. He’s tolerable as a #2 in Ottawa, but we would be a better team if he was our #3.

      Cowen has a long way to go before he can be considered a top 4.

    • Mat

      Everyone knows that JC2 had a terrible season last year. The recovery from hip surgery was probably a factor. Another summer or rest and another season of experience playing in the NHL and I can’t imagine his performance being any worse this year. If anything, I expect Cowen to make the jump to a reliable 3-4 defenseman, with all around improvements.

    • Doc

      God I hope not.

    • runningbear1974

      I think both Karlsson and Cowen were unreliable last year… So put them together and see what happens… It almost worked… With Methot and Gryba… And Ceci and whoever is with him… That’s 2 good defensive pairings…
      I think the solution to Cowen is Ceci…

    • Andrews theory

      Specific to Cowen probably the same thing he saw in Greening, Neil and Philips (they have pictures from their vegas trip)

      I believe Methot was one of the people that did not react well to PMAC’s new method of hard ass coaching.

      As much as we look up to these guys, in any other work place they are considered kids.

  • The Apostle

    I think the organisation made themseves look like a bunch of morons with the way they handled the Alfredsson negotiations and his subsequent departure. The ramifications of that are still visible within the fanbase and with certain players (i think it must have factored into Spezza’s apparent desire to leave).

    We fucked up, we should own that fuck-up and move on. The only thing that might make us look more moronic is an unseemly effort to bring him back which might very well fail.
    The ties were cut let them stay cut for Alfredsson the player. Mend those bridges once he’s retired.

    • Doc

      Agreed.

      Back tracking now would only worsen things at this point.

    • TookieIs100PercentRight

      Yeah imagine if they’re deep in negotiations and he’s all:
      “Nah, Imma go back to Motown, not signing for $3,000,000.”
      The capital would just about implode from angst.

  • BeJamin

    If there is money for 1 expensive year of Alfie (6-7M), why not just give Hemsky 3-4 years at 5.5? Seems like the better investment at this point. At least from a pure hockey standpoint. The idea is nice… but I just don’t see it happening. Eugene is still here. I’d give it like a 5% chance of occurring, but this just gets our hopes up.

    • thepez

      Did you hear John Shannon on Sportsnet last night? He feels that Hemsky is nowhere near a $5.5 million player and that chances are he will re-sign in Ottawa for much less. Not real sure about him coming back to Ottawa but $5.5 bones for an underachieving player is crazy.
      The last thing we should want as Sens fans is overpaid long term contracts that everyone except the player will regret.

      • sprucesens

        we didn’t even make a counter offer. how the heck can he sign?

        • spezzerman

          whats the point? He is going to see if he can get his 5.5M on the open market. If he can’t, he can circle back to see what our counter is.

    • Hax

      Term.

      We’ll need money for the Ryan extension not to mention MacArthur, Methot, Anderson (maybe) and RFAs like Lehner. If we commit beyond next season to some big ticket guy then that means less money for our current players who will need new deals over the next couple of years.

  • Mr. Commonsense

    Let’s get one thing straight: it’s not that we can’t afford to bring in players it’s that Melnyk won’t spend the money. He just landed close to $100M in TV contracts but insists that the teams that do spend to the cap (you know like LA and NY) are idiots and that his formula works better.

    I don’t know what it is with this city and having sports teams with terrible owners that destroy franchises.

  • TookieIs100PercentRight

    He’s not coming back while Melnyk is the owner. If even half of the rumoured stuff was true, the owner burned the bridge and Alfredsson will not be coming back as an Ottawa Senator.
    TOOKS100%OUT!!!!!!!!!

  • MethotToMyMadness

    On the topic of the O’Reilly for Spezza trade talks. The way I look at it, It’s BM’s job as the GM to try and make trades like that happen. As much as the Sens fan base continue to throw Spezza to the wolves for all of his mistakes, there is still a very positive point per game production value to his name. And don’t be fooled, many teams would love to have that, they just aren’t jumping up and down making noise and drawing attention to it. No matter how you slice it, Spezza is a true 1C with experience and the point totals to match it. Now the Sens need to up-sell the sh!t out of it.

    As the days go on, I keep seeing the fun filled trade talks get lower and lower when it comes to the value of Spezza. It’s like he’s carrying an expiration date on a milk carton. It’s a little disturbing.

    A young Team like Colorado have not had a 1C with his points potential since the days of Forsberg and Sakic. Yes they have MacKinnon and he will do VERY well in a year or two, but he’s not ready for the 1C position just yet. And if they lose Paul Stastny, who has been that 1C guy (who is only 2 years younger than Spezza) they need someone to take that job. Spezza would be the perfect fit for them.

    • A-Train

      I haven’t looked into Colorado’s situation that closely, I guess. But after such a positive season how good they possibly let both Stastny and O’Reilly go?

      If they dealt O’Reilly it would likely be because they signed Stastny. And in that case they wouldn’t be looking for a centre. More likely some help on D.

      • MethotToMyMadness

        I agree, it would be a crazy shakeup for sure. Stastny would be somewhat like Spezza in Ottawa though, making up his own mind at a critical point in his career. I find it hard to believe he’s not interested in staying on with such a good young core, considering he broke up talks, but everyone has dreams of playing with a true contender. And O’Reilly would just be an innocent bystander in the whole situation. Not that it would ever happen, but I just thought it was something to point out.

        • A-Train

          Well, Murray has to be talking with Colorado. Just to see who’s available and gauge the interest in Spezza. You never know.

  • jtf927

    Chirp, this is actually a really interesting post and quite appropriate given the circumstances. i would welcome alfie back. if this was the case, i would be hoping that we could then trade spezza to anaheim and re-acquire our first + silfverberg. if this would not be possible, then spezza to st. lu for shattenkirk + 1st round pick. it would be great to have alfie back in a sens uniform, and be able to mentor our young swedish players. if alfie signed with us, BM would just need to go out and find a top pairing d-man.

    mcarthur, turris, ryan, zbad, lazar, stone, hoffman, and…

    alfie. not bad.

  • Max Power

    Is it just me or does Alfie somehow look like some mythical legendary beast in every picture ever now?

    • WaitingSince92

      Well, he’s certainly a legendary beast…

  • ProfessorPower

    I don’t think Ottawa would take Alfie back, and I don’t think Alfie would take Ottawa back. IMO theres 0% chance he plays here next season.

    our right wingers next season will most likely be Ryan, Stone, Lazar, and Neil.

    • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

      It sucks that Lazar can’t go to bingo.

      Interesting case for sure

      • ProfessorPower

        Ya I think Lazar is in a unique position where he is basically a lock to make the team. He may be scratched at times if he fails to perform, but I highly doubt he will be back in Edmonton considering his character, work ethic, success(Memorial Cup win),and physical maturity – says he usually weighs in at 200lbs

        • A-Train

          I guess I’m on the Lazar train too now. Hard to see him spending another year at the junior level.

          But I can’t help but feel some of the concussions and injuries these younger guys face in the NHL has to do with missing that time as a b-level pro.

          Even in the Memorial Cup, the amount of slashing and battling going on around the net and in the corners was pure kids stuff compared to what happens in a meaningless mid-season NHL game.

      • spgottawa

        The rule insures very young players stay in junior until they are NHL ready. Good for the junior leagues and the young players…. Also good for the NHL teams as they don’t burn a year of the contract until they are reasonably sure that the player is ready for the NHL. Also good for AHL players who don’t get bumped down to the ECHL to make room for 18/19 year olds. So what sucks? Lazar is NHL ready anyway….

  • WaitingSince92

    Even if you’re an eternal optimist, you’d have to assume that Alfredsson wants nothing to do with a Stanley Cup, should he return for another year.

  • luckan20

    Bringing Alfie back has huge boost for Ottawa and Eugene from an economic point of view. We all know his name and time on ice will get more attention which will drive more ticket sales, store sales, TV revenues, increase in goodwill. Therefore both intrinsic and extrinsic value of Ottawa Senators and Eugene will be on the rise. In addition, we will have the money to resign him.

    • wild bill

      Alfie does not like Eugene

  • savagestix

    If it would come to this…. Which deal would you choose between shattenkirk and a first or
    Berglund rattie and a first

    • luckan20

      Toss of a coin. May be add one of our Left handed D for Shattenkirk, 1st and Rattie. If not the 2nd deal looks good.

    • ProfessorPower

      I would want shattenkirk..but then midway through my sentence of taking the deal I would put them on hold, and agree to the better deal on the other end from Anaheim

    • Jordan

      Would be nice if we could get shattenkirk, rattie and a first but we would have to give up more i would think.

    • A-Train

      Shattenkirk gives the team something it needs. So that one.

  • Jakester

    I have a funny feeling that Murray has a deal already finalized for Spezza. Just a gut feeling I have. At the end of year meeting, he mentioned wanting to spill the beans on a few things already in the works. He said there are some things I’d love to tell you today but I can’t.

    • Doc

      I had the same feeling in my stomach but turned out it WAS beans.

      Coincidence? I think not.

    • sprucesens

      i assume he does too. All the things that were said, was that they would look at it again at the draft, or at least after the season ends, so teams can take on salary without penalty. I still think we wait till the draft to pull the trigger, hoping for better returns from other teams, or hoping X player is available if a pick is involved.

  • SensChirp

    It has been more than eight hours and the top is still spinning. I guess I must be dreaming

    • sprucesens

      did you watch it the whole time? maybe someone started it again while you looked away. Leo is tricky that way

  • FBP

    AJ Jakubec keeps ending all our discussions.

    • SensChirp

      Ha, no kidding! Don’t judge the roster, he says. Don’t talk about Stewart, he says. No way to Bonino, he says. You’re dreaming on Alfie, he says.

      • sprucesens

        maybe list ALL the players to come here. Then whichever he doesn’t discredit, are what we will sign/trade for? just a thought. lol

  • roddie1111

    You’re an idiot! Get some balls!! “Ottawa had no money”? Melnyk is a douchebag but you don’t have the nards to say so.

  • Sandy

    Gee thanks for the post Chirp. I had an emotional enough day watching the funeral for the 3 murdered Mounties, now this..
    Before Alfie would ever even consider coming back,
    – Melnyk would have to sell the team within the next 3 weeks
    – He changes his agent. No way JP Barry would ever recommend Alfie come back to
    Ottawa
    – His family wants to come back.
    If Alfie truly wants the Cup, he should pack his bags and move to Chicago, LA or Anaheim.

    • Jakester

      Feelings that boiled over have subsided! Alfie is the biggest Sports name that this city as ever had! Maybe Tony Gabriel is close, but it has to be Alfie! Not that far fetched, and I Truly believe he wants to be back with this young group, he has strong ties with some of them, it could be a magical year!

      • Sandy

        Well then, Chirp should send the article to Karlsson and let EK convince Alfie to return.

      • HarvardYaleAndPrincetonMan

        RUSS JACKSON !!!!!!!!!!!!

        • Jakester

          Yeah, you’re right.

      • Tooks

        He left because he didnt want to be leader of a young team, oh and win a Cup, why the hell would he come back? Makes no sense for Alfie.

  • Captain Karl

    Although I don’t think there is much chance Alfie comes back, if he did it would have to be in a 3rd line role. He has really slowed down but he still has emaculate hockey sense. He would be very useful still on the PP and to mentor a couple of rookies on the 3rd line.
    MacA-Turris-Ryan
    Spezza Trade-Zibby-Stone
    Lazar-DaCosta-Alfie
    Smith-Pageau-Neil
    Condra Hoffman
    It would also mean Greening would have to go which would infuriate the fan base….lol

    • Jakester

      I’d be Ok with that.

    • jtf927

      good line-up. i would put lazar as 3C instead of daCosta and replace him with hoffman. pretty good line-up.

  • Sandy

    Chirp, any rumours about the asst coaches? I believe their contracts are up right?

    • SensChirp

      Believe the same assistants are expected back next season.

      • Tooks

        Crap, we’re doomed…

      • Miguel

        sure our Defence and special teams was precisely the reasons we sucked, why would we not bring them back????

      • Sandy

        That is very unfortunate.

  • Sandy

    Steve Lloyd @TSNSteveLloyd · 11h

    #Sens are 1 of 3 teams still in on highly sought after Czech prospect Jiri Sekac. The 22 year old winger has been playing in the KHL.

    Question, whatever team signs this guy, does he have to clear waivers since he played in another league?

    • peetypuck

      I hope not. It wouldn’t make much sense signing him.

    • TookieIs100PercentRight

      No, once you sign him he’s yours. Once he signs a pro contract he might have to clear waivers if he was to be sent to Bingo though, not sure how that goes.
      Edit: Now that I think of it it would probably be an entry-level deal so he could go to Bingo blah blah and try out for the club. It’s basically a free player.

    • sprucesens

      not sure. i think because its not in the middle of the season, its just like any other UFA that either isn’t playing in the NHL because they didn’t get a contract, or has never played in the NHL which is this case. I think the waiver rule only happens mid season, where the teams below you still have a chance to claim the player. Which to me makes no sense. If you are a UFA, and you sign somewhere, you should be free to go to that team. It’s not really unrestricted then is it?

      But anyways, i think the last 2 times i saw the waivers happen was nabokov and… i think it was wellwood? But i believe both were midseason signings, and i think both were claimed by teams that didn’t sign them. Nabokov was the isles for sure, and was signed by detroit. But like i said, i think the rule only applies once the season has started, or maybe by a certain date, already into the season

  • ChampIsHere

    Rather have stone at right wing.. Dude knows what it takes now.

  • sprucesens

    chirp, a fun article, since we’re on the subject, could be for each poster to put in 1 spezza trade scenario? Closest wins….something incredible. We have all done it countless times anyway. Might be fun to make it some sort of contest

  • sprucesens

    an interesting thought to spezza prices. Not really a direct comparable, but something to think on. When we acquired turris, he hadn’t proven anything in the NHL yet, seemed to be a bust, according to phoenix, and most of the league. But we gave up the SEL defenceman of the year, and 1st round pick, david rundblad, as well as a 2nd round pick. We felt we overpaid at the time, but now it looks like a steal. Just pointing out that phoenix got what should be 2 very good pieces for an unproven “bust”. Of which i’m very thankful. But that’s got to let the naysayers remember that a proven PPG 1C is worth more than just a top prospect, which rundblad was, and a fairly high pick. We will get a good young but established player, a good prospect and a good pick, just like murray wants. Just a thought i had….

    • A-Train

      I disagree with that assessment of the Turris deal at the time. He was a former 3rd overall pick with a great pedigree from the World Juniors. He’d proven little in the NHL, but Rundblad had proven far, far less. The knock was that his trade demand revealed a supposedly bad attitude.

      It’s all water under the bridge now, but I was pretty shocked by the immediate negative reaction to that deal from a lot of Sens fans.

      • Tooks

        LOL Rundblad had proven nothing either, in fact it wasnt sure if his game could translate to the NHL game and the 2nd round pick, well he was even more “unproven” Atleast Turris had played 100 games…

    • FistsofNeil25

      I don’t know about your assessment. We gave up Rundblad, an unproven 17th overall pick + 45th overall for Kyle Turris, an unproven 3rd overall pick who is only 14 months older.

      I think the people who thought we overpaid at the time of that trade were obviously just overvaluing our own player and undervaluing Turris. Overvaluing our own players is pretty damn common.

      By the way that 45th overall pick was traded to Columbus along with Curtis McElhinney and a conditional 4th round pick for Antoine Vermette.

      Columbus then traded that 45th overall pick to Philidelphia along with two 4th rounders for Sergei Bobrovsky. That draft pick sure did get around.

      • sprucesens

        yeah, but at the time, it could have been argued that rundblad had as much potential as turris by himself, as neither had been given a chance. Both were 1st round picks. We got lucky that turris turned out, and rundblad has yet to make any mark in the NHL. crazy that pick was moved so much though

    • whammer44

      Not sure if there was a feeling we overpaid. I was happy with the trade at the time as Turris, rather than being a bust, had not been given an opportunity.

      Sens knew what they had in Rundblad and at the time were happy with the depth of young dmen in the system so he was expendable. Pretty good risk of a hockey trade imo.

  • adamie

    Line 1: Clarke MacArthur – Kyle Turris – Mark Stone
    Line 2: Daniel Alfredsson – Mika Zibanejad – Bobby Ryan
    Line 3: Mike Hoffman – Curtis Lazar – Stephane Da Costa
    Line 4: Colin Greening – Zack Smith – Chris Neil
    extra: Erik Condra

    • Tooks

      Nope, more like this:

      Line 1: Clarke MacArthur – Kyle Turris – Bobby Ryan
      Line 2: Cogliano – MZ93 – Mark Stone
      Line 3: Mike Hoffman – Zach Smith – Curtis Lazar
      Line 4: Colin Greening – Pageau – Chris Neil
      extra: Erik Condra

      Line 1: Methot – Karlsson
      Line 2: PW46 – Ceci
      Line 3: Phillips – Gryba
      extra: Cowen

      • FistsofNeil25

        I love these non-playoff rosters we’re all positing these days.

        • Tooks

          Gotta love the budget!

          • FistsofNeil25

            Cogliano + what for Spezza?

            Your line-up also probably doesn’t reach the cap floor.

          • Tooks

            I know… Spezza for Cog, Helgesen and a 2nd round pick?

          • FistsofNeil25

            Tookie give us some consistency for christ sake lol one day you say Shattenkirk+Jaskin+1st or Josi+Sissons+1st or Smith+Forsberg+1st and now you’re saying Cogs, Helgesen? and a 2nd rounder.

            I don’t know if you’re trying to be a shithead or what but at least be consistent lol

          • whammer44

            Its for these reasons that we regret to inform Tooks that effective immediately he has been relieved of his mock GM duties.

          • Tooks

            Lets see you do better, I’ll try not to laugh.

          • Tooks

            Well we could still do the Shattenkirk one but I liks Cogs better. Josi we wont get unless we add and im only going for Spezza alone.

          • FistsofNeil25

            You like Cogs+Helgesen+2nd more than Shattenkirk+Jaskin+1st

            Got it… You do know Shattenkirk has outproduced Cogliano in each of the last 4 seasons.

            Shattenkirk alone has more value than that Anaheim package and you know it. You’re just playing dumb.

            Wouldn’t it be a better use of your time to just talk hockey instead of saying ridiculous things to get people going? Don’t you ever get bored?

          • Tooks

            I did one with Berglund and Shatty, you happy?

          • Tooks

            To get guys like Shatty or Josi we would have to add, in the instance above I add PW46 but I dont think that would be enough.

          • Dirk-Diggler

            since you have very low expectations on the return I guess you will be super happy when we get more than that. Also, if that is the best that’s offered I’d rather keep Spezza and either trade him at the deadline or let him walk. But wow, that’s possibly the worst package that I’ve see being proposed.

          • Tooks

            Find me a better player than Cogliano signed at 3Mil for 4 years and at or under 26 years old with more than 42 points that is not untouchable. Go!

          • Dirk-Diggler

            That would be a horrible team

          • Tooks

            I know, budgets tend to do that, good news is we have a good shot at McDavid!

      • whammer44

        Three thoughts.
        1. Thats a McDavid line up
        2. If Cogliano is the only piece to go into the Sens lineup from a Spezza trade the CTC will be empty this season
        3. You’re fired

        • Tooks

          Lets see you do better? I’ll try not to laugh when you trade Spezza for Shattenkirk and Oshie…

          • whammer44

            Damn. How did you know that was my expectation? Psychic as well!?
            You are more than welcome to like your trade. As I said if thats the trade BM makes its a clear sign to the fans and the rest if the team that the Sens would be in the McDavid sweepstakes. So forget about keeping Ryan and whoever else long term.

          • Tooks

            What would you do? Still waiting…

          • MethotToMyMadness

            I’ll throw something out. I’ll put it at the top of the comment board. Something I was discussing over a beer with a friend. Somewhat makes sense. Stayed tuned….

          • whammer44

            You can wait. There’s been dozens of suggestions on here that have merit so I don’t really feel the need to regurgitate. Take your pick of any of the other suggested trades posted here.

            Your bar on this suggestion imo is too low, I’m disagreeing with your evaluation of Cogliano…as it looks like most others do as well.

            The trade will have to have an impact like the Ryan trade did in deflecting away from Alfie leaving. Imo with Spezza leaving this year someone with top 6 forward or top 3 defense impact has to come back or the team will have a huge issue at the box office. Its not Cogliano.

      • Dirk-Diggler

        so all we are getting back is Cogliano in the Spezza trade?

        • Tooks

          Cogliano, D prospect Kenton Helgesen and a 2nd round pick.

          • Andrews theory

            Murray may as well hand in his resignation immediately after that trade.

          • Dirk-Diggler

            I’d give in like people like Doc and demand my money back for my season tickets! #Fansfault

          • Tooks

            Cogliano is a solid top 6 player, he’s not top 3 yet but he’s only 26, he will be eventually, he is a Turris clone and could center our 2nd line with ease or split it with Zib. He put up 42pts last year playing behind the big guns in ANA. I dont think you know what your talking about.

            Your not gonna get a top 3 FW for Spezza.

          • EK65

            “not yet a top 3″

            He has been given every opportunity to become a top 3. Why would this change at age 26?

          • Frank

            You are out of your mind

      • A-Train

        Without sending it through CapGeek, I’m seriously wondering if that lineup gets us to the cap floor. Maybe we pay Alfie $10M.

        • Tooks

          Shit didnt account for cap floor, scrap that line up! LOL or pay Lehner 5Mil and Hoffman 5Mil!!

          • FistsofNeil25

            If you give Hoffman 1M, Gryba 2M and Lehner 2.25M, that line-up comes in at $51,974,167 lol I arm-chair GM’ed that shit.

          • Tooks

            HAHA I got 52Mil, I hope thats not what we end up with! Please God…

    • Hax

      That leaves us well shy of the floor unless we overpay all our RFAs by a big margin.

  • MethotToMyMadness

    I’m not understanding the idea’s being posted, where Bobby Ryan is continually taken off the top line with CMac and Turris. These 3 have done MORE than enough to prove they will be stuck together to start the season as the #1 line in Ottawa.

    Stone had a nice audition, and would be a good filler if needed, but that won’t be a permanent change to the one completely dominant line the Sens had. Yes, sometimes teams like to balance out the wealth, but if we are truly going with a less experienced 2nd line, which it looks like we will be, don’t expect Bobby to be on that line.

    I believe a big part of Bobby’s negotiations will more than likely involve him being told he’s now got himself a permanent top line position. Something he hasn’t had yet.

    • Dirk-Diggler

      I think Ryan will be on the top line next year because he will be 100% and be on fire. Not because it was promised to him. He will earn it and not let go of it.

    • spezzerman

      This is why it sure would be nice if Spezza has a change of heart. Ryan and Spezza reunited with hoffman on the left wing. Stone takes Ryan’s spot where he was great filling in for him. sigh

    • FistsofNeil25

      Well you could also argue that since Bobby is our biggest offensive weapon that either line he’s on would be considered #1? Whether that’s with Turris or Zibanejad or a free agent/trade acquisition.

      It will all come down to chemistry and balance I guess. We’ve seen that both Stone and Ryan have chemistry with Turris and MacArthur, what if only one of them has chemistry with the other two top six players we have?

      I would rather have two solid top lines instead of one, even if it means breaking up Mac-Turris-Ryan.

    • Pasky

      It all depends on the return for Spezza and any free agent signing we do. Considering our depth at LW goes MacArthur-Hoffman(once resigned)-Greening-AHL Guy we need help there. Our right side is Ryan-Stone-Condra-Neil which is ok-ish. Now hypothetically since this thread is Alfie related let’s pretend that he comes back home. Then we can swap Ryan to the left side to balance out the wings. Would you put Ryan on the 2nd line doing this, or split MacArthur and Turris up? Personally I do the latter and have something like this:

      Ryan-Turris-Stone
      MacArthur-Zibanejad-Alfredsson
      Hoffman-Lazar-Condra
      Greening-Smith-Neil
      Pageau

  • sbs138

    I’d love it!

  • Pasky

    I still think my favorite Spezza trade so far is Spezza/Weircioch for Berglund/Shattenkirk/1st or 2nd with St-Louis. It solves our problem at D and gives us a guy who can slot either in front or behind Zibanejad comfortably, or play LW if say Lazar, Pageau or Da Costa make the big league.

  • Tooks

    For the dreamers out there:

    Spezza + Cowen for Josi + Wilson
    Sign UFA Grabo

    FORWARDS
    Mike Hoffman ($1.726m) / Kyle Turris ($3.500m) / Bobby Ryan ($5.100m)
    Clarke MacArthur ($3.250m) / Mikhail Grabovski ($3.000m) / Mark Stone ($0.603m)
    Colin Wilson ($2.000m) / Mika Zibanejad ($0.894m) / Curtis Lazar ($0.894m)
    Colin Greening ($2.650m) / Zack Smith ($1.888m) / Chris Neil ($1.900m)
    Erik Condra ($1.250m) /
    DEFENSEMEN
    Marc Methot ($3.000m) / Erik Karlsson ($6.500m)
    Roman Josi ($4.000m) / Cody Ceci ($0.894m)
    Chris Phillips ($2.500m) / Patrick Wiercioch ($2.000m)
    Mark Borowiecki ($0.575m) /
    GOALTENDERS
    Craig Anderson ($3.188m)
    Robin Lehner ($2.201m)
    ——
    CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
    (estimations for 2014-15)
    SALARY CAP: $71,100,000; CAP PAYROLL: $53,512,333; BONUSES: $1,955,000
    CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $17,587,667

  • FistsofNeil25

    I don’t know if anyone has posted this already but it’s worth a listen. Fast forward to 11:30 of the clip to get Dreger’s take on Spezza and the center market.

    http://proxy.autopod.ca/podcasts/chum/179/22889/Darren%20Dreger%20In%20The%20Box.mp3

    • spezzerman

      I see Anaheim being pretty desperate since I just dont see SJ or Van dealing with them

  • thepez

    Here is my Spezza trade, highly unlikely but would like to see it. With the news that Spezza has been taken off the promotional campaign for the SENS, my theory is that a trade has already been made but can’t be announced until the SCF are over. Therefore, Spezza to LA for Toffoli, Richards and a first. The Sens take the contract of Richards off of the Kings hands, with the agreement that Toffoli is included. Probably won’t happen, but what the heck. The SENS save about 500k on the deal. Richards becomes an instant leader and character player the SENS need.

    • Hax

      We’d have to add to Spezza to make that possible.

      But I can’t imagine that the Kings have any trades lined up before they’re even finished their season.

      • thepez

        Not sure we would have to add. Rumors are that Richards is going to get bought out. This saves the Kings from having to do that so for the favor of taking Richards, they give us Toffoli. If Richards was playing at the top of his game then no way they give Toffoli.

        • FistsofNeil25

          I’m sure they would rather buy out the remaining 30M on Richards contract than give up a great young player like Toffoli. Like you said, it probably won’t happen.

          Plus, LA would be buying out Richards so they could afford to re-sign Gaborik, not to add an even bigger cap hit like Spezza’s.

          They also don’t need a first or second line center when they ahve Kopitar and Carter.

          LA has no need for Spezza.

          • Max Power

            Why would a team that just won the cup (presumably) feel the need to add a piece like spezza that could drastically change the dynamic of their forward group.

        • Hax

          A team like LA won’t mind stroking a big check to buy out a guy if it saves them giving up a first round pick and a top-end prospect. I see your logic, I just think they’d want more to pry away Toffoli and their first.

    • Pasky

      Richards play has really dropped off lately, and right now he’s a 4th line center with a cap hit of $5,750,000. I’d rather look at other options unless LA retainsa part of his salary.

      • Miguel

        hey may be 4th line there, but he would be a 2nd line here in Ottawa

        • FistsofNeil25

          That’s not the logic you use when you’re trying to build and competitive team.

        • Sandy

          I was going to say the same thing.
          LA is incredibly deep at the centre position, and huge.
          NBC had an interesting stat, that every forward line on the LA Kings weighs more than 600 lbs. Big, fast, skilled. The model franchise?

    • EK65

      It would be Toffoli OR Richards. Not both.

    • sprucesens

      love it. don’t believe it, but love it. I’d even take toffoli and the 1st. But I could see money coming back, and us willing to help LA out, cap wise, if they were thinking about buying out Richards, which seems to be the rumours these days. I could definitely see this as a possibility, but highly unlikely deal, as you just should do as little as possible, so as to not break up the Stanley cup champs. Doesn’t make sense. And to EK65 below, I think Richards would be included, almost as a throw in. Not because he isn’t worth anything, but if LA is taking on spezza’s salary, bye bye Richards. And if we could get him “to help them out”, with the main piece being toffoli, I saw we look like geniuses. I almost like this deal as much as my repeated posting of Josi trades. lol

      • sprucesens

        also, if it were to happen, it certainly wouldn’t be a 1st, unless we included our 2nd. Which really, is like 10 picks different.

  • MethotToMyMadness

    Because Tooks Asked:

    I’m going with a Team that hasn’t been mentioned yet. But it’s one I fully expect Jason would accept a trade too, I’m going to say Spezza to Detroit.

    Alfie went, why wouldn’t Spezza? They haven’t missed the playoffs in forever. They have one of the best coaches in the league. Spezza has already learned the coaching system under PM. They have a great overall team and Spezza won’t be relied on to be Captain.

    It’s silly to think it hasn’t been discussed yet. Detroit has some good young talent, but where they could use help is the 2nd line C position. Legwand isn’t expected to be offered a contract, so after Datsyuk, and a young Nyquist, it’s slim pickings down the middle. Detroit needs a 2nd Line offensive C option. Even more reason for it happen, would be Alfie signing back in Detroit for 1 more year. Spezza would get a chance to line up with his old pal for one last push for the Cup. It’s all about connections!

    Detroit has a slew of talented kids, many have already rose to the occasion in typical Detroit fashion, playing a lengthly AHL career. Obviously we all want a guy like Nyquist, which won’t happen. But a return that includes a guy like Tatar isn’t out of the question. Both considered diminutive forwards, Nyquist has exceeded Tatar as this point expectations wise. Add with the emergence of a young Mantha, who some say could be in a Red Wings jersey sooner than usual, Detroit could risk moving Tatar for an experienced Spezza.

    Tatar is beyond the role of prospect, considered more proven at this stage, being he’s already 23. So I say the trade would end with Tatar and a 1st and a conditional pick, my guess being the 4th in this years draft. To make it even more interesting, the 1st would be pushed back to next years draft, as Ottawa would take a gamble of it being better than this years 15th overall, giving them more options in the McDavid sweeps.

    In the end, Ottawa gets an eager replacement for Michalek on the 2nd line, a 1st next year and a 4th this year. Tatar is up for a contract as he’s finished his Entry level and Ottawa has the ability to lock him up for awhile at a decent price tag.

    • Hax

      Reasonable return but I question whether Spezza would be desired in Detroit. All the reasons people list for Ottawa not wanting him any longer would go double for Detroit IMO. Plus I thought we all decided yesterday that Alfie went to Detroit specifically to get away from Spezza. ;)

      • spezzerman

        well, just because people here list those reasons doesn’t mean they are right…;)

    • aegiszx

      That all sounds plausible. My only concern is that well, BM has a bitter taste in his mouth and doesnt want to deal with the Wings out of spite/pride (or Sharks ala Heatley).

      • Hax

        Sharks I think he’d deal with since he likely blames Heatley more than the Sharks – but Detroit is also a division rival now which is even more reason not to deal Spezza there.

        As much as Spezza drives Murray crazy I feel confident that he doesn’t want to play against him often.

    • FistsofNeil25

      I can’t see Murray dealing Spezza within the division unless it’s for an overpayment.

      From a Detroit perspective, I can’t see Ken Holland giving up young assets for an older player. They’re at the point where they need to think about getting younger. They’re probably really regretting that Weiss contract from last summer.

      • MethotToMyMadness

        My overpayment consideration was Tatar, considering his value. He’s a very promising young player and has already shown his talent last year. My original though was trying to snag The Mule, since he’s been an Ottawa killer for years. but I figured I’d like to see the Sens go for the younger guy.

    • MethotToMyMadness

      Obviously being in the division with them makes it even less likely, but it doesn’t mean it couldn’t happen. And I think we could all agree that Detroit would be on his list of teams he’d accept. I think it’s on everyone’s to a degree.

    • Tooks

      Within the DIV, wont happen, unless DET gives us something we cant refuse, like Nyquist, again, aint gonna happen.

      • MethotToMyMadness

        We’re always quick to label with the Inner Division stamp and move on. Sure, it’s less likely, but anything can happen if the return is right.

    • Lucretia

      I want 2 of whatever you’re taking

    • HarvardYaleAndPrincetonMan

      Spezza is not a Paul MacLean type of player
      and by extension is not a Mike Babcock type of player as well

    • Sandy

      I could see the Sens sending a 5 or 6th D or a bottom 6 player to Detroit, but their #1 centre? Not going to happen.
      If he has to trade him East and Spezza would waive, then it’s to Florida, along with Cowen for their first overall this year and Eric Gudbranson.
      Then you draft Ekblad and immediately re-write your defense which would be one of the league’s best in a few years.
      But that’s a dream that won’t happen..

    • EHMatt

      Nyquist and Mantha and you’ve got a deal. Otherwise, it ain’t happening within the division. But that’s highly unlikely.

  • FistsofNeil25

    I know everyone loves to focus on Anaheim and St Louis as destinations for Spezza, but I honestly see Dallas being right in the mix as well.

    Dallas needs a second line center, and their beat writer Mike Heika believes that the player the want to target the most is Spezza. Lindy Ruff is extremely familiar with Spezza’s game after coaching against him for a decade in Buffalo and he loves to play an up tempo offensive game. Jim Nill wasn’t afraid to make a splash last summer when he took over in Dallas last summer so I wouldn’t surprised to see him make another big move now.

    If you’re Jason Spezza, would you want to waive your NTC to go to Dallas? I would. They’re a young up and coming team with a fair amount of talent. He’d get the opportunity to play in their top six along with Seguin, Benn, and Nichuskin which is about as good as it gets in the NHL.

    He’s also a big Cowboys fan so he’d get the opportunity to catch a few home games I’m sure.

    • Dirk-Diggler

      If we could get Dillon back that would be awesome…

      • FistsofNeil25

        I saw this proposal from a Stars fan on HF boards yesterday.

        Dillom+Chiasson+2nd for Spezza

        I would take that deal and run.

        • EK65

          “I saw this proposal from a Stars fan on HF boards yesterday”

          This is almost a guarantee it won’t happen.

          • FistsofNeil25

            I’m not saying it would happen or that it’s even a rumor. I only mentioned it to show how much some Stars fans value Spezza. That’s all.

          • EK65

            Yeah for sure, it’s not that unrealistic, but I like to hold my hopes up for more.

        • Pasky

          That wouldn’t happen unless we add pieces as well.

        • spezzerman

          I dont see this as being unrealistic.

        • Tooks

          And you complain I traded Spezza for Cogs…wow. Chiasson is a 3rd liner, Dillon is a prospect (a good one but still).

          • FistsofNeil25

            Cogs has reached us potential, and Helgesen is a 7th round pick.

            There’s no question which package is more valuable.

          • Tooks

            Maybe, but Cogs potential reached is still higher than Chiasson’s. And I doubt he reached it, he’s 26 and just entering his prime. I also named you 3 others who could fit the bill.

    • Tooks

      Hmm wonder what they would give up tho, foget the young guns, so probably a 3-4 D or 4-5-6 FW…Armchair GM it!

    • MethotToMyMadness

      I like the idea of a trade with Dallas, but like everyone, I only know the young talented guys and it’s hard to see Dallas parting with them.

      • FistsofNeil25

        I don’t know their system all that well, but I imagine their only legitimate untouchables would be Seguin, Benn, Nishushkin and Campbell. I would also be very surprised if they moved Brenden Dillon.

        They have a lot of other good pieces though. They probably have more young assets to offer than St Louis.

        • Tooks

          Yeah but Murray wants a guy that can help now, like top 6 guy or top 4 D, Chiasson, Fiddler, Eakins, Roussel are far from being top 6…Yes they have good prospects but that doesnt help us for another 3-4 years.

          • FistsofNeil25

            I don’t know what his thinking is.. He’s going to get different kinds of offers. He’ll be offered packages that will help us now, but he may also be offered a more valuable package that may help us more in 2, 3 or 4 years.

            I just hope he accepts the offer that helps this team out the most, and not just a trade out of desperation that will help us improve our position in the standings by a few spots in a year where we have no chance of competing against the top teams.

          • Tooks

            Its known we are actively seeking a young (22-26) top 6 forward in return for Spezza, we wont get a top 3 unless we add so basically a 2nd line player who can produce between 40-50pts would be ideal.

            Cogs fits just that. There are other options but thats just one of em. Chiasson has potential but I dont think its top 6 potential.

            I have a funny feeling Murray likes our D the way they are, he will get a 2nd line FW, I just feel it.

          • FistsofNeil25

            You lost me when you said Cogliano is a top six forward. He’s also going to be 27 in just three days so I guess he’s out of Murray’s target age group. That’s a shame.

          • Tooks

            You do like to nitpick, usually a sign that you got nothing good to say, lol, and you know what they say about that :)

          • FistsofNeil25

            I nitpick because your comments are usually inconsistent.

          • Tooks

            Sorry I cant be more consistent, had I inside info maybe I could be.

          • FistsofNeil25

            It’s your own fault sometimes man. A lot of the time you just seriously want to talk hockey, but other times your intent is to simply get people going and egg them on.

            Considering this is the internet and none of us actually know you, how are we supposed to know when you’re talking hockey or when you’re just being an ass lol

          • Tooks

            How is proposing roster line ups/trades being an ass?

          • FistsofNeil25

            I’m not saying you were being an ass. I was saying you can be so
            sometimes when you do things like propose Spezza for Smith+Forsberg+11th overall last week and Cogliano+Helgesen+2nd today, it’s hard to tell if you’re being genuine or if you’re just trying to get people going one way or another.

            Like Smith >>>> Cogliano, Forsberg >>>>>>>>>> Helgesen and 11th overall >>>> 2nd round pick.

            Those are two drastically different opinions.

          • sprucesens

            ironically, this is one of the most level headed convo’s I’ve seen from tookie recently. kudos.

          • EK65

            No, you don’t know what you’re talking about. This is not known. Murray said he wanted a similar return that we got for Ryan. That was Silfverberg (was 21), Noesen (prospect, was 20), 1st (10th overall)

          • MethotToMyMadness

            Now everyone is just nitpicking. Let’s no worry so much about the age. Let’s just say 20 to 26 then, and everyone will be happy, lol.

          • EK65

            It’s all speculation anyways. No one knows what negotiations with other GMs are like except Murray and the Assistant GMs. And we won’t know until the day of the draft in 16 days. So all of this is futile.

          • Tooks

            Its not futile, its fun, what else are you gonna do on a blog in June…Wuold you rather we talk soccer?

          • HarvardYaleAndPrincetonMan

            OH KAY – BLUE JAYS – LET’S TALK BALL
            (no – not really)

          • Tooks

            Similar doesnt mean exact. And where are all those high picks now…Silf is a fringe 2nd liner and Noesen had major setbacks. So lets look at what you said.

            Any of the guys I posted are better than Silf, the prospects are even better than Noesen and the pick is the same….

            So ya, looks like I know what I’m talking about, lol. If Murray wants what he gave up for Ryan (which wasnt much) in return then we will be getting less.

          • C.J.

            wow was just checking out cogliano to familiarize myself, buddy has a 540 game iron man streak going from the first game of his career! for those of you that doesnt know what that means, he hasnt missed a single nhl game in 7 season… damn!

    • A-Train

      Remember, he doesn’t have to waive his NTC. Last summer, he had to submit a list of 10 teams he wouldn’t go to. If you include most (or all) of the Canadian teams on that list, plus the obvious U.S. dogs, hard to see Dallas as a no-go.

      • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

        I’ve kind of assumed that Spezza wouldn’t have included any of our divisional rivals on his list as he would just assume they were highly unlikely

        So my best guess at his ten teams would be

        Calgary
        Edmonton
        Winnipeg
        NYI
        New Jersey

        Alright I guess that theory leaves still a tonne of space for personal preference.

        I guess he’d probably have

        Buffalo
        Florida (although I’m not convinced Florida is on his list… I mean who wouldn’t want to spend their life playing a sport there)

        That’s still only 7.

        • A-Train

          Here’s my best guess:

          1. If he decided a year ago that having played his whole career in Canada, with our high taxes and overbearing hockey media, he wants to make sure he doesn’t land on another Canadian team.

          Winnipeg
          Calgary
          Edmonton
          Vancouver
          Toronto
          Montreal
          NYI

          Buffalo
          Columbus
          Minnesota

          2. He doesn’t mind playing in Canada and just wanted to make sure he didn’t get traded to a crappy franchise and/or less desirable city.

          Winnipeg
          Calgary
          Edmonton
          Buffalo
          Minnesota
          NYI
          Florida
          New Jersey
          Columbus
          Nashville

          • FistsofNeil25

            If Spezza were smart he wouldn’t put Montreal or Toronto on his no trade list because we would never trade him there anyway.

          • A-Train

            That is a very good point, actually. I wonder how much thought/strategy went into making the list? He submitted it at a time when he knew he had a good chance to be the next captain of the Ottawa Senators. Was he thinking trade was a possibility? Was his agent giving him good advice?

          • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

            What I find almost as intriguing as where Spezza ends up is… If Danny the douche ends up in the same place. If anyone should be able to revive his career it will be Spezza, can’t deny that he was one of few that clicked with him

        • Jakester

          Spezza is dying to go to Toronto – don’t fool yourself, his whole family a few years back were telling people he was going to T.O.

          • Hax

            So what’s his favorite color and what did he call his blankie when he was little (since you seem to be his long-lost twin brother or a mind reader)?

      • Hax

        At the same time, if a team is on that list of 10 he could still waive. i.e. if he got to slots 9 and 10 on the list and had trouble thinking of teams (like we all have) he might have added a team like Florida but might actually be open to going there. Not to mention things have changed somewhat since he submitted the list – so a team he might have wanted to block before might be okay by him now.

    • Rafi Bomb

      I would want Nichushkin as part of the return.

      • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

        Who wouldn’t I would actually seriously consider one for one

        • Rafi Bomb

          He would be the number one target. The other players that would likely interest us are Alex Chiasson, Jamie Oleksiak and Brett Ritchie.

      • FistsofNeil25

        Not gonna happen. I doubt we get a prospect or player of that caliber. He’s going to be a star.

        Jagr compared Nichuskin to Malkin.

        • Rafi Bomb

          It depends how badly they want Spezza. Spezza for Nichushkin straight up is fair value trade wise and we could possibly even get a little more in return. But the stars may want to be strategic and see the long term value of Nichushkin being higher then the short term value of Spezza.

          • Doc

            If that was ever a possibility, I would do that in a heart beat.

            In reality, we would have to add to Spezza to get the kid. That being said, they won’t trade him.

          • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

            If they offer nichuskin you do not ask for anything else.

          • Doc

            You add.

      • Sandy

        Russian. That’s all you need to know, if you are Murray.

  • esk

    he would comeback!

  • Tooks

    I really feel like the Ducks can offer us the most bang for our buck. I have a feelilng its gonna be a 2nd line FW, a prospect and a pick and ANA has tons of them. They have tons of young roster players that have proven skill and are capable of playing that 2nd line role and they have some good prospect. The Blues would be the other team I think could offer us a good deal. The rest of th team just wont be able to beat out thse offers.

    I have been inconsistent in my offers but its hard to predict what exactly the other team values their players and how they value Spezza for 1 year, with more research and time going over rosters and the direction of other teams, these would be my guesses at what they would offer.

    Spezza alone can get us 2-3 pieces, that we agree on, but what those 3 pieces are is what folks seem to have trouble with, usually a 3 for 1 deal usually involves lesser proven players and more potential than anything, 2 for 1 you tend to get a good roster player and probably a pick or prospect, 1 for 1 is usually equal in value.

    Spezza can fetch 3 pieces sure but it wont be anything like Oshie, Schwartz and 1st round pick…

    If its 3 pieces, Spezza will fetch a mid level roster player (2nd liner) a good but not blue chip prospect and a pick (1st/2nd)

    ANA has those mid level guys that could still develop into great 2nd liners.
    Cogliano C/LW – 82games, 21G, 21A, 42pts, 26yo
    Bonino LW/C – 77games, 22G, 27A, 49pts, 26yo
    Palmieri RW – 71games, 14G, 17A, 31pts, 23yo (this would be equivalent to Chiasson)

    Then you can add prospects like Etem, Maroon, DSP(bluechip tho), Vatanen, Theodore, Helgesen.

  • A-Train

    I continue to see Florida as a good option for all involved in the Spezza deal. Being within the EC is a drawback for Murray…but it could also be leverage. Florida needs to make a jump to contention soon. They have a lot of young talent…+ that 1st overall pick. Spezza seems like a Florida kind of guy. But are the Panthers on his list of 10?

    Sorry to keep repeating myself….but there’s not much else to talk about.

    • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

      I am really not convinced that they will be on his list… Pretty sure they would be on his wife’s ok to move to list

      • Tooks

        Who do you think is realistically available for FLA?

        • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

          Kulikov… Which I highly doubt is our target

          I’d love Barkov or huberdeau… But can’t really imagine a scenario where Florida would move either

          • Tooks

            Exactly, Spezza may even like the idea of going there but I highly doubt FLA would give up young guns for a year or 3 of Spezza…

            They are rebuilding via high draft picks, it takes time, they actually are doing a good job of it, unlike EDM. To get Spezza would be a step backwards for them.

          • Garrioch’s reliable source

            Kulikov = Rooskie (not Eugene’s favourite nationality these days)

    • Tooks

      Dont be sorry, its June… lol
      Do you really think FLA would give up the #1 pick in 2014 for Spezza…
      Ekblad is going to be a Franchise player for them for years to come.

      • FistsofNeil25

        Yeah I don’t think the 1st overall would be offered up for Spezza. Would they give up an entire career of Ekblad, Reinhart or Bennett for possibly one year of Spezza? I don’t think so.

        Maybe a deal can be worked out involved both Spezza and the 1st overall, bu other pieces would have to be in play for both sides. Ottawa would have to give up an asset or two that we don’t have much interest in moving.

    • Hax

      I can’t see Spezza getting traded before July 1st. No team will give up a lot without being able to extend Spezza before they pull the trigger. I know the GM and Spezza’s agent can basically handshake before July 1st but I still don’t think a GM is going to risk it by trading a big asset or two for Spezza without ink on an extension.

      • Jakester

        Its very important that he gets traded before the draft. I think that he’ll get traded maybe even a week before draft day. So get ready the trade is coming sooner than you think.

        • Hax

          Very important to whom? It seems that it’s only a select group of fans that think a first round pick this year is worth more than waiting until you can trade Spezza as a long-term solution instead of a year-long rental.

        • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

          Again…. Who cares about this year’s draft

          IMHO only the casual fans care that we don’t have a pick this year

      • FistsofNeil25

        I think teams will want to see how the first couple days of free agency play out as well. Most teams will probably want to see if they can sign Stastny without giving up assets for Thornton, Spezza or Kesler.

        • A-Train

          I have a feeling teams already know pretty well whether they have a chance to sign Stastny or not. Technically they aren’t supposed to be talking, but how many times have we seen guys sign big, complex deals right as free agency begins?

      • Rafi Bomb

        Sure they will. It is called a conditional offer.

        • Hax

          If the only difference is the pick then okay. But then the pick can’t be for this year anyway (since the condition won’t be confirmed before the draft).

          But I don’t think the “best offer” could possibly come in before July 1st.

    • peetypuck

      I would think getting that 1st overall draft pick has to be very alluring to Bryan Murray. Reinhart, Bennet or Ekblad?

      • Rafi Bomb

        This draft isn’t very good. The Sens will have little interest in attaining the 1st overall. The talent level simply isn’t high enough for the acquisition price.

        • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

          The top 3 in this draft are great… Franchise players maybe not… But very good players, absolutely

          • Rafi Bomb

            Not good enough for us to target them as a main piece in return for Spezza.

          • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

            If you say so

          • FistsofNeil25

            I think your expectations might be a tad bit high then..

          • Rafi Bomb

            Look at what Florida has to offer. Pretty much every piece that we would actually be interested in would have to be a primary piece in a trade. Jonathan Huberdeau, Aleksander Barkov, Nick Bjugstad, Erik Gudbranson, Dmitry Kulikov. Do you see Florida parting with any of those players plus the 1st overall pick for Spezza? I don’t so in a sense we are targeting the first overall pick in a weak draft where the top pick won’t be an elite player as the primary piece. It just doesn’t make a lot of sense to me considering we could get a better package or better players from different organizations or simply target one of the more proven young players in Florida as the key piece.

          • FistsofNeil25

            I don’t think any team in the league is going to offer up a piece as valuable as Huberdeau, Barkov, Gudbranson.

            I don’t even think Florida would trade the 1st overall straight up for Spezza. Reinhart, Ekblad and Bennett may not trun out to be elite players, but I would bet they will end up being as good or better than any piece we end up acquiring.

            Would Tampa give us Drouin in a Spezza trade? Would Winnipeg give us Trouba? Would Calgary give us Monahan? Would Edmonton give us Nurse? Will Nashville give us Forsberg? I sure don’t think so, but that doesn’t mean we won’t get a good return.

          • sprucesens

            yeah, but again, if its a young player coming back as the primary piece, it would have to be one of those names. It’s like if you saw someone like Patrick kane come available in like 3 years from now. You would offer some pretty top players to aquire him, would you not? Its not gonna be a package of da costa, cowen and a 1st to get him. It would be turris, lazar, 1st. No spezza isn’t as dynamic as kane, but both are top point producers in the NHL, and kane has been surrounded by MUCH higher talent his entire career. So talent wise, we should be getting significant pieces back. Its just a matter of which teams can afford to lose a top prospect, like the one’s you have listed.
            Calgary, no, Edmonton, no at least not nurse, Nashville maybe, tampa, maybe, Winnipeg, maybe. Like sandy posted a week or so ago, from someone who was not a sens fan, We need to stop undervaluing our players, and over valuing other players on other teams. Spezza will get a good return, under the assumption that he is going to sign with said team. It’s just a matter of who needs him the most, and is willing to trade for him, in a win now atmosphere, rather than win 5 years from now.

          • EHMatt

            Last I heard, FLA has fallen out of favour with Huberdeau. IMO, he and the first overall could very well be part of the package for Spezza. Maybe BM throws in a D-man to sweeten the deal a little, but I could totally see that trade happening.

          • A-Train

            I don’t think anyone expects to land the first overall AND one of Florida’s top prospects. In fact, we’d probably need to make it Spezza + another piece to pick up the #1.

          • sprucesens

            I think bjugstad might be seen as the piece that is thrown in to put it over the top, but the other’s would all be primary pieces, that aren’t likely to go anywhere. Having said that, the 1st overall this year, is likely to be better than any piece we get back elsewhere, as a single piece. For example, if its a 1 for 1, spezza for 1st overall. We’ll consider that 1 A level piece. Other teams might be able to offer up to 3 B level pieces. And at this point, we have prospects, so getting a single A level piece might be more attractive to us. Especially if we feel said player can step in at the NHL level, or we are comfortable with what we have, and UFA signings for the next year or so while he develops. It is an intriguing possibility, but it sounds like other teams will offer more. And I really think murray would prefer as western team, unless an east team over pays, which would be something like the 1st overall and bjugstadt.

          • Tooks

            Ummm Ekblad is a Franchise Dman in the making.

          • peetypuck

            You forget that Dale Tallon is ‘under the gun’ this summer to put together a playoff team for next season. He doesn’t have time to wait for this year’s 1st pick to make an impact in a couple of years. What he needs is someone that can put up 80 points next year. Tallons job next year is to put more butts in seats and make the playoffs. If he gets Spezza he may also be able to sign Hemsky up.

          • Sandy

            What’s even more important is the rumours are the Leafs are trying to move up to the 1st overall by trading Phaneuf and their first round pick.
            The trade would work for the Sens in two ways and would eliminate the Leafs from getting Ekblad to go with Reilly.

          • peetypuck

            As soon as the Toronto media heard of a rumour of Spezza for the #1 they had to get the Laffs in there too. So typical of Mackenzie and pals.

          • Sandy

            I mentioned this further down in the comments.
            Spezza to Florida for Gudbranson and their 1st overall. If the Sens have to include Cowen to do this, then so be it.
            Draft Ekblad and the defense is set for years.
            Karlsson-Gudbranson
            Ekblad-Methot
            Ceci-Wiercioch/Gryba/Claesson

          • EK65

            This makes no sense. If we get a roster player, and first overall, we’d be in great shape 3 years down the road. Also, our team may suck next year. What does that mean? Much better shot at McDavid

          • EK65

            Exactly. The depth in the draft is poor, but there is still high end talent

        • A-Train

          Nothing is certain, but you’d have to think one of those top 3 would look pretty good in a Sens jersey. We need more top-end talent in this organization. Drafting high is the best way to get it.

        • Tooks

          Ekblad, Reinhart and Bennett will be very good. With Ekblad being a Franchise D-man.

        • peetypuck

          You should rephrase that to “this draft isn’t very deep”.

  • ProfessorPower

    I am about 75% sure we will be trading with the Ducks, and about 95% sure that if we do one of Devante Smith-Pelly or Emerson Etem will be coming back.

    • Doc

      Do you know what ‘being sure’ actually means?

      • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

        I am 100% sure the answer will be yes… But if also 100% sure the answer should be no

        • Doc

          Math seems legit.

          • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

            Grammar seems like my esl phone took over

          • Doc

            Hopefully Grammar Police isn’t around

          • Tooks

            Ptu yoru hadns up!

      • ProfessorPower

        being sure – “Confident, as of something awaited or expected”

  • boom

    Plenty of speculation around who the Sens will target for a return in the Spezza trade, and for good reason.

    Personally, I’m wondering if the Sens brass and coaching staff is in agreemment with regards to who they envision their centers to be, and it’s obvious implications on this trade.

    Are they comfortable with:
    Turris
    Zibanejad
    Smith
    Grant/Pageau

    or will they target a center in the trade (or otherwise).

    Of all the questions concerning the Sens next year, this is the most compeliing to me.
    First post from me in a while – tough last couple of weeks. Good to be back.

    • A-Train

      Good post. The situation highlights one of last season’s worst decisions: Sending Zibanejad back to Bingo after camp. He recovered and had a decent year, but that was a stupid way to treat the organization’s top prospect. I have to think it was part of the dreaded “New Paul” era.

      • boom

        You just reminded me…where does DaCosta fit into the mix? Is he done as a Senator?

        • A-Train

          Trade bait.

          • boom

            Yeah, likely…

          • Doc

            My guess is that they try him out as the 3C to begin the season, and having Smith as 4C.

            Put Hoffman on his LW, and maybe Stone on RW depending on what we receive for the Spezza trade.

            If that doesn’t work out, expect Pageau to try out.

      • Aaron 2.0

        I always suspected the decision was mainly salary cap related. I’m actually not really sure what’s scarier, coaching decision or management decision.

      • Sandy

        I think Zibby needed a bit of a wake up call that he has to work to stay in the NHL.
        He needs to work hard in the off-season to be ready to play.

    • FBP

      If we don’t get a C in return Zibby better have an amazing year or we’re hosed.

      • Tooks

        I’m afraid for his health in playing 2-3-4 more minutes a night. Hopefully he can handle it, only time will tell.

  • Miguel

    it really is very interesting what value Spezza has in the market. After the beating he gets here in Ottawa from media and fans, and with some big names like Kesler and Thorton out there, you would think that the return will be less than many would like.
    However, if you are a team that is on the verge, but needs a bonafide PPG big Centre, who can shoot and own your PP, then Spezza can be the missing piece that gets your team to the next level.
    Those teams IMO:
    St Louis
    Dallas
    NYR
    Nashville
    lesser degree
    FLA
    Phoenix
    Tampa
    Vancouver
    Minnesota
    So from that list who do we think we can get for a top PPG Big Centre?
    Again I would say that we need to temper our expectations, and at best it would be a 2nd line player or Top 4 D, a prospect and a pick,
    And even then I will be very sad to see Spezza go

    • runningbear1974

      To be fair to Spezza… I was listening to Gretzky talk and I think he too had issues with his coaches… He had ideas that were different than the coaches… And, in the end, Gretzky does what Gretzky does…
      But, no one looks back at how great a leader Gretzky was, he wasn’t… Who knows how well Edmonton would have done without him… Imagine Gretzky without Messier… They might never have won…

  • GS86

    id love to get mike richards, if la bought him out, maybe if spezza moves

    • Sandy

      Was thinking the same thing. Put him at 2nd line centre while letting Zibby develop on the 3rd line for a couple more seasons..

  • AutoTurris
    • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

      Wow couldn’t have been timed better was just about to post how I don’t think our d is as weak as its perceived. Basically drop Philips to a 7th role and play Weircoch… And boom Yost goes and makes my point

      • FistsofNeil25

        The problem is the 3-4 pairing. I think most can agree that Our top and bottom pairings are fine going forward, but we don’t have a good second pairing.

        • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

          We basically have a mish mash of gryba, Philips, boro, Weircoch,Cowen…. I don’t really mind giving any a shot (othrr than Philips as the #4…but we need something significantly better to play with them.

        • Doc

          Agree somewhat, but I would say we need a partner for Karlsson, and put Methot on the second pairing where he belongs. Play him with Weircoch.

          Third pairing is where we might have issues due to too many bodies.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Ideally yeah, I would prefer to find a #2 guy to play along side Karlsson. Considering how hard those defenseman are to come by, I think it’s more likely Methot continues to play top pairing and we target a second pairing dman.

            But yeah I agree… ideally Methot would be our #3 and we’d have a legit #2 skating alongside Karl.

        • runningbear1974

          I said this a few times… But I think Ceci might be the solution to Cowen… Ceci is a great skater with good vision… If Ceci can make Phillips look good, he can make Cowen look good too… If we’re keeping Cowen, then play him with Ceci…

          • Tooks

            Phillips never looked good…

    • FistsofNeil25

      Yeah that’s a good read. Wiercioch should be a regular in the line-up. He’s the ideal bottom pairing defenseman.

      • spezzerman

        I’m the guy with the Cowen jersey, but I think the biggest mistake last
        year was keeping Cowen up while he was still able to go down to Bingo
        without waivers, while Weircioch rotted in the press box. At least that
        way, they both are playing

    • Don Ciccio

      I was actually just about to post this same article. I still don’t understand what Maclean doesn’t like about Wiercioch….Even two years ago when they made the playoffs, Wiercioch was a big part of the team making it there since both Karlsson and Cowen were hurt and then when they came back, Wiercioch was pretty much benched for the playoffs which made no sense to me.

      • Rafi Bomb

        Wiercioch is slow, average at best defensively and lacks grit and physicality. He gives opposing forwards way too much time and space and doesn’t really do anything to pressure them. All Yost’s article is, is an indication that you can’t assess a player simply by looking at the stats and if you do, you wind up dumbfounded how a player like Wiercioch could be a regular scratch.

        • Tooks

          Yep, all the while Cowen/Phillips, who are worse in all those things keep playing…Makes total sense.

          • Rafi Bomb

            Cowen is faster, better defensively and more physical than Wiericoch. He certainly made a ton of mistakes last season but he is a substantially better player. He also has more upside and is more of a core player so management and coaching staff would want him to play through his struggles.

            Phillips gets to play based on his seniority. He doesn’t provide much anymore aside from leadership and experience.

            A big reason why Wiercioch didn’t play is that Ceci came up and was a better player overall which pushed him down the depth chart.

          • Tooks

            You lost me at Cowen is faster…lol.

          • Rafi Bomb

            Try watching the games. His skating ability was a big part of the reason why we drafted him.

          • Tooks

            Against kids maybe, dear God man have you watched a Sens game lately? He cant even keep up or pivot, he has horrible footspeed and is like a Deer in the headlights when pressured in the Def zone…Zero hockey IQ…Cant even pass it to an open FW.

          • ProfessorPower

            Its call Hip surgery you fucking bitch. You over-exaggerated everything.. Cowen is and will be better than Wiercioch throughout his career, I guarantee it. This post of your proves how much of a dumb virgin you are.

          • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

            Congrats this exchange has made you lose any and all credibility…. Wait is that you Jared?

          • Millennium

            There wasn’t a single defender on our team who was worse than Cowen last season. Potential ceilings aside, PW was the better defender last season, both in the stats, and by the so-called ‘eye test’.

          • Don Ciccio

            Wiercioch is way better offensively and a much smarter player than Cowen. Wiercioch also passes, shoots and receives passes better than Cowen thus leading to better breakouts and less time in their zone.

    • A-Train

      I can’t describe exactly why, but I’m allergic to Yost’s writing. I literally grit my teeth after one paragraph.

      If Weircioch in reality is in the same company as the players on that particular stat table then I’m confident at least one hockey mind in the Sens org will see it too.

      • Shibal

        Yost did not really say that Wiercioch is elite: he mentioned that despite those corsi numbers, Wiercioch was playing sheltered minutes. All Yost was saying in his post , was that if Wiercioch can put up those stats with sheltered minutes, it would not hurt for coaching staff to giving him more responsibilities, because he is a way better option than Phillips and Cowen.

  • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

    A fair bit of talk about zibby needing to play well this year has got me thinking… What ever ended up happening to gin at the end of the year health wise

    • sprucesens

      the org was quite hush hush. he tweeted that he was ok, and that it was nothing. Could have been anything from strong cramps, to dizziness and so on. They never said what it was, but that it was all ok now

  • sprucesens

    anyone else stoked that a spezza trade could be announced as early as tomorrow!? lol. out of consideration, I think most teams wait till 2 days after the cup is won at least, but I want it now!!! lol. Not because I want spezza gone, but I love trades, and a new fresh looking team

    • FBP

      I’m predicting the draft.

      Wonder if The Senate is having a draft party? Will World Cup games be on at the same time?

    • Hax

      Chirp – a poll question maybe? Will Spezza get traded at/before the draft or after?

      I maintain that the offers simply HAVE to be better after July 1st when a sign-and-trade becomes a reality. If you try to address the resigning/extending with conditional picks the picks would have to be for 2016 which seems silly. (Since technically the team could wait until after the 2015 draft to resign Spezza.)

      I just can’t see either side wanting to finalize a deal before July 1st.

      • The Apostle

        I can only get behind this poll if it is formatted within a table.

      • Pasky

        A situation like that, they would give us a guarantee pick in 2014 lets say but we add a conditional pick if Spezza walks. So if the trade for St-Louis is Shattenkirk, Jaskin and 1st 2014, we would give them Spezza and a conditional 2016 2nd if Spezza doesn’t resign

        • Hax

          Hadn’t thought about the conditional pick going the other way. Not sure if Murray would be interested in that but it does allow more options pre-draft.

          I still think the trade happens after July 1st though – but not saying it’s impossible to do before.

  • EK65

    Dallas writer has Spezza at the top of who he believes the Stars have at the top of their list

    http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/dallas-stars/headlines/20140610-heika-a-name-that-keeps-cropping-up-as-potential-no.-2-center-for-stars.ece

    • runningbear1974

      So, Dallas has a budget… I wonder if their fans keep making fun of their owner because of their budget…

      • Tooks

        Probably, which is why they wont land Spezza.

        • FistsofNeil25

          Anaheim is a budget team as well. I guess they won’t land Spezza either.

      • Phil.

        The extend of the complaining about the budget is uniquely Ott.
        I have lived in cities with budget NHL teams (not dallas though). The budget comes up but not like this. I don’t know if it’s a consequence of Ott being sandwiched between 2 large money spending markets?

        • SensChirp

          Nah I think people started to ask questions after Alfie left and rightfully so.

          • Phil.

            It is/was fair to ask the questions, but that’s a year ago now and the unwillingness to move on and accept that Ott is a budget rebuilding team is what I don’t understand.
            EM is not a likable guy and he should just stop talking, but it seems that the budget issues have become oddly personal rather than business.

          • Millennium

            So the fans are at fault for not being happy that their team will always be second-tier? Or at least for the foreseeable future? God forbid we expect a little more from the powers that be.

            If Melnyk had come out and said “hey, money is tight, so since we don’t really need to spend to the cap right now because of contract reasons, we’re gonna bank that money for when we can make better use of it” I can’t think of a single fan who wouldn’t be on board with that. Instead the guy continues to spout bizarre garbage, contradict himself and others in the org, and just ramble like a mad man. He took a bad situation and made it a million times worse (and that’s not even considering the Alfie fiasco).

          • Phil.

            Absolutely ok to be upset about it. But at some point you have to accept the situation, or at least I have to accept the situation and move on. I don’t want to play the “if only we had a different owner” game. We don’t, we have EM.
            Completely agree that EM tends to make things worse every time he speaks. But that’s part of my point. The hatred for EM seems personal, it’s not just the number on the budget.
            I suspect that if he was a likable guy and more media savvy, the budget issue would not be as amplified as it is now (which is essentially what I understand you are saying).

          • Millennium

            I agree with you. I just think some people are able to make peace with it quicker than others, just like with other things in life. I respect people who can make peace with it easily, but I empathize with those who can’t.

          • Lucretia

            We’ll see how calm you are when EK65 is the next one to ask for a trade

        • A-Train

          I find some of the budget talk a little over the top myself. But it’s understandable in Ottawa. Memories of bankruptcy, etc…

        • Sandy

          But this is a team Canadian team. The thoughts of a budget are ridiculous.

          • Phil.

            There are more budget teams (Ott, Cal, Edm, Win) than cap teams (Van, Tor, Mtl) in Canada.

      • sprucesens

        I did read a phx blogger the other day, and he was upset about how they never spend to the cap! I mean a team that was owned by the nhl for a year? and he was mad that they don’t spend to the cap?? they spend more than us for crying out loud. I think that’s why we are a little upset about our apparent lack of spending. But really though, new contracts for all, with small1-2mill raises, and all of a sudden our budget went up 10 million. I’m not so worried about the budget, so long as we have quality players. But when we lose our own quality players, then it become a problem

    • peetypuck

      Spezza is not only an 80 point a year player but his plays can get the whole place standing in awe. He’s the type of player that fans want to see and Dallas needs to increase their attendance.

      • thepez

        So Spezza is a point a game player, can lift people out of their seats, is popular in the dressing room and we are told that he is at the top of the lists of many teams to try and get. So what about exploring the option of re-signing him to a 4 or 5 year deal in Ottawa?

        • Hax

          Because (according to numerous insiders including Chirp) Spezza wants to move on.

          He’s not interested in signing an extension. Maybe he thinks he’ll never win here, maybe he thinks he can make more money elsewhere, maybe his wife wants to work on her tan – who knows? But while he’s never said it (why would he) it seems clear he wants to move on.

          Add to that the fact that he’s getting older and our team needs to transition to more of a system game and it’s easy to see why he’s getting traded.

          Some teams can easily fit a guy like Spezza in, some teams can’t/won’t. I know Detroit was suggested earlier but I can’t see them wanting him since he’s the opposite of the way they try to play.

          • esk

            It’s all speculation still. Last year, when spezza was named captain…i dont think it was a one year experiment that both sides agreed to…. spezza and the sens knew his contract was coming up and both parties expected he would be here LONG-TERM…..Something happened with the coach is my guess.

          • FistsofNeil25

            How is it speculation still? Did you not hear or read Murrays comments today?

            Spezza wants out and the team doesn’t want to commit to him long term either.

            This is not speculation anymore, it’s fact!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • esk

            lol calm down…murray made the announcement within the same hour i posted this. You know im on top of this shit! haha

          • Lucretia

            He wants to move on because he’s tired of being blamed for the losses…by the fans

          • peetypuck

            I’ll bet he likes when he gets credit for wins.

          • Hax

            I don’t think it’s JUST the fans. I think that is part of it but it’s also the pressure of having to answer to the media more and most important is that he seems to have felt that the coaches blamed him more. Which, really, might be justified given how the teams sometimes seemed to play better without him.

            I’m not saying he wasn’t doing his part but I can easily picture a scenario where MacLean was demanding of Spezza and Spezza ultimately decided he’d rather go somewhere and be a supporting player rather than “the guy”.

            I agree with fans that say he probably shouldn’t have accepted the C (to a point) but maybe he gave it a shot as “the guy” and found that it wasn’t a good fit for him.

        • Don Ciccio

          Who is to say that he would accept a 4 or 5 year deal…..Maybe he wants 7 or 8 years.

    • Sandy

      Good — the more teams in the running, the better the return. Especially if teams interested are within the same division like St Louis & Dallas.
      One team may overpay to keep their divisional opponent from getting Spezza.
      Hello Jaden Schwartz. That’s my prize in this entire Spezza trade speculation.

      • FistsofNeil25

        Not going to happen Sandy. Schwartz is St Louis’ most valuable forward. Some will say Oshie or Backes, but Schwartz put up 4 less points than Oshie and he’s 6 years younger. Schwartz and Tarasenko are the only forwards on that team with ‘A’ potential whereas Oshie and Backes ‘B’ level guys.

        • sprucesens

          I’d be happy with oshie then. add a pick and we’re solid!

  • OverMind

    My stanley cup is the return of Daniel Alfredsson.

    8 mil, make it happen Murry/Melnyk

    • I’m just sayin’

      6 million last summer would probably have kept DA11 in Ottawa

      • OverMind

        sad thing is that is probably true.

      • wild bill

        Melnyk sold his horses. He says he is retired from horse racing. Maybe he will retire from being a nhl team owner sooner than later too. He is taking all the money out of the sens cause the drunk is trying to make his losses back.

  • Sandy

    So the GM meetings are today in NYC. Could this be when and where Murray finalizes any trade for Spezza?
    LA last won the Cup on Jun 11, 2012. Could they win it all again tonight two years to the day?

    • Tooks

      Haha Sandy, you have the best little tidbits (er thats sounds soooo bad).

      • Sandy

        I saw it on Sportsnet twitter.. can’t claim it was mine.

  • SensChirp
    • A-Train

      Wow. This is going to happen pretty fast. Murray’s normally pretty tight-lipped. Hopefully he’s working an angle here….don’t fail us now.

      • SensChirp

        Thats what it sounds like. Teams are interested and this is an attempt to improve existing offers.

        • Phil.

          Dave talon did the same thing last week by saying he had a few “fair” offers for the #1 pick.

        • A-Train

          He’s also dialing up the fan expectations. Two to three serious offers with more teams in the mix? He better not be bringing Bonino home after that…..

          • Doc

            *shakes fist*

        • sprucesens

          I don’t really understand the whole, attempt to improve offers. I understand the logic behind it, but really what GM is gonna say, you are the only team interested, especially to the media. Doesn’t matter the player, its always gonna be that exact same statement from every team. Seems like a pointless convo, unless of course he was out right asked the question on what deals are like, which could be the case. I know its a media marketing strategy, but really, if you are a GM in the league, no media is going to influence you. You are willing to pay X price, or you aren’t. I imagine the ask has already happened from murray. I want so and so, if this is who you want from my team. If not we’ll go to the next place, where there are decent offers. Bureaucrats. lol

        • Lucretia

          That’s not the way I take his comments. With everything that went on last year I see this as the organization trying to lay some of the blame back on the player. The optics on this are horrible for the team…second captain to want out, not good.

    • Don Ciccio

      And there you have it……If there was ever any doubt, it should all be gone now. I will really miss Spezza but Ottawa has a really good opportunity here to finish their re-build and also quite possibly add some really good players that could get them into contention.

      • Mitchell

        I don’t think the rebuild will ever be finish until Phillips is off the team completely.

    • Phil.

      I imagine Murray as one of those tv saleman:
      Call right now and you’ll get free expedited shipping. But wait, call right now and we’ll throw in (insert D name here).

    • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

      It’s from garioch… Spezza will be resigned

    • boom

      can you tell us non-twitters an idea of what this is all about, please?

      • esk

        “Murray says 4 to 5 teams interested in Spezza. Two or three serious.” Fuck

        • Sandy

          That’s better than none at all.

    • JayRuN

      Im sooo excited but nervous as hell. I hope to god we don’t get fleeced. I was thinking this was going to happen at the draft but it could happen in the next 2 weeks or less.

  • RUSH RLZ

    Unf. Melnyk selling ALL his horses, for whatever reason. Has to be a huge kick in the balls to the guy. Ruthless assholes on Twitter are all over him.

    • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

      As much as he’s annoyed me this makes me sad for him…. And further worried about his financial stability

      • Lucretia

        I could care less about his financial stability. I hope the NHL steps in and makes him sell the team to someone who does right by the players and the fans. Sens fans deserve better than this.

        • Phil.

          Millennium: This comment is what I am talking about (sorry Lucretia, not picking on you specifically).
          There are about 20 teams on a budget. You think the NHL can find 20 new endless cash owners to replace them? You think Winnipeg, as an example, is ever going to be a cap team?

          • Lucretia

            No worries Phil. Teams with poor attendance are one thing, teams that embarrass Bettman and the NHL brand another

    • Sandy

      IF he is doing that, then he is in serious financial trouble.
      Time to sell the team…

      • EK65

        He is. Tweeted about him himself

        • Imasensfan

          There is no mention of financial trouble.

  • Sandy

    “Murray said he’d like to keep Spezza. Understands where he is coming from. #NHL”
    So Spezza has most likely decided he no longer wants to be on a re-building team. Well Jason, you should have said that 3 years ago when the return could have been tremendous for the team. Same for Alfie..

    • Millennium

      Makes you wonder what kind of lines the team are giving these aging guys who are eyeing a cup sooner rather than later? Empty promises of competing ‘soon’, or are they totally open about not willing/able to spend over the next few years?

    • Don Ciccio

      I think it has more to do with the coach and the way that he wants him to play.

  • esk

    It’s official spezza asks for a trade. fml http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=722478

    • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

      It’s been official for a while

      • esk

        first time management has commented on it though.

  • Millennium

    Bruce Garrioch @SunGarrioch
    Murray told me Spezza wants out because he’s blamed too often when the club doesn’t win. #Sens

    Well then…..

    • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

      Well really good for Spezza for putting up with it this long.

      I honestly wish him well… He is going to be one of those… Didn’t know what we had until it was gone kind of players

      • Millennium

        I just can’t understand them making this kind of comment public. It feels like mudslinging, and that won’t end well for either side.

    • Sensturion

      Murray also said that he understands where Spezza is coming from and that he’d love it if he stayed. There’s no mudslinging. Garrioch just wants there to be for a story.

    • Sandy

      … and the defense had nothing to do with the losing? or the play of the goaltenders?

    • peetypuck

      He should never of been made captain. He thinks that he should be heaped with praise no matter what? He’s still just a big kid.

      • bluebuyyoo

        You think Spezza has been a shit magnet just since he became captain? He has taken crap ever since he joined the team. The fact that the shitting reached a fever pitch this season is stupid. Blaming one player for last year’s lack of success is pretty short sighted.

        • peetypuck

          He’s also received plenty of praise along the way. His play last year was atrocious. It was so maddening to see the opposition score time after time when Spezza was on the ice. Every time they were caught in their own end I would look for the #19 jersey and usually he was on the ice making his half-hearted attempts to chase down the puck.

          • bluebuyyoo

            QED

  • Dirtysweetness

    I think it would go a long way for this organization to pursue (make amends)and sign Alfie. Right now, we look like a horrible train wreck. We lost our upper echelon players, we’ve had a revolving door in terms of coaches and not to mention an overbearing owner who cries about his financial welfare at every turn.
    Give the fans hope that one major wrong will be righted.

    Stupid burbon. I’m going to bed.

  • Jason

    I said I wasn’t going to renew my season tickets this year but if they brought back Alfie I would for sure. My favorite all time player without a doubt.

  • Steve

    “Would I come back to the Ottawa Senators?”

    “Probably not.”

  • DjVic

    I think that with Spezza, Michaelek, and Hemsky out, and the younger guys taking those spots, Alfie could fit in well not as a captain (that should go to Karlson, or Turris, or Smith) but the best lead by example Sens player ever who still can play! The younger players will see/remember how to back check, play smart, and take risks at the proper time, etc… Funny…after years in the league none of the names of the top of my post could figure that out. I also can’t believe how weird the talk around Spezza’s eventual trade is a negative thing for this team. It’s time to move on without Spez. very good player just not what Ottawa needs at his salary range. People forget he wasn’t even on the top line for 50 games. Hemsky is a one dimensional player, who did have success with Spez but he would never shoot, and his weak on the boards. That line was still 50/50 risk reward. Is that what you want out of a top line? 50 /50? Do people forget how great guys like Stone, and Hoffman played when they finally played some real minutes? They should also trade Neil and get something they really need in return…another player who did not make an impact whatsover this past season, and I love Neil, but it’s time to allow the 2007 Sens to go (expect for Alfie if he would ever come back). Karlson will be back to 100%, and the other young guys will be even better. Turris, Mcarthur and Ryan is a great first line. Now spend the money on the right guys to make 2 more supporting lines mixed with the young talent we have. Puck possesion guys who can win battles, skate hard, and score some timely goals, not floaters who once a game make a fancy play.

  • mominator

    The Sens need Alfie. I think it is a wonderful dream if he came back for a year to play. He can teach the youngsters so much in a years time. Hope the dream comes true.