Waiting on Contract Extensions

SensChirp July 8, 2014 1,014
Waiting on Contract Extensions

So today is July 8th.

As of July 1st, players with one year remaining on their contract were eligible to discuss contract extensions with their current team.  So that means seven days have gone by and still no word on an extension for Bobby Ryan. Getting Ryan locked up is one of this off season’s top priorities but there has been little movement.

And while it seems like both sides would like to get something done, there really hasn’t been much in the way of negotiations so far.

While it would have been nice to announce a big ol’ extension on July 1st, there’s no reason to rush this. It has been mentioned before but a big part of Ryan’s willingness to extend will be based on the performance of the team and a commitment to winning from Ownership.

Even if it’s not this season, Ryan wants to know that the team is headed in the right direction.

Marc Methot and Clarke MacArthur are in the same boat. Craig Anderson’s situation is a little different but he too is entering the final year of his deal. All three players have been vocal about wanting to stay in Ottawa. Although like Ryan, you would assume they want to have a good sense on the direction of the hockey team and have some indication from Ownership that winning is a priority.

As great as it would be to have these guys locked up, the idea of four veteran players entering a contract year isn’t the worst thing in the world. Ryan, MacArthur, Methot and Anderson will all want to cash in on their next deal, either in Ottawa or elsewhere, and know a strong season will help them do that.

If Ottawa gets the sense that any of these four aren’t interested in an extension or that the dollars are unrealistic, a trade becomes a priority. Certainly can’t risk losing any of these guys for nothing.

Either way, the discussion on contract extensions needs to start sooner rather than later.

-Sad news from the Senators yesterday, announcing that General Manager Bryan Murray has been diagnosed with cancer.  The outpouring of support here on the site and on Twitter was amazing to watch though.  Nice to see the hockey community rally around one of the great guys in the game.  Even when Murray is forced to take time away from the team, you know he’ll continue to have a say in the decisions made.  Nice to know he’ll have more than capable support from Pierre Dorion and Randy Lee along the way.  Again, best of luck to Bryan and his family as they begin this fight.

-We talked about it a little bit yesterday but not a whole lot of new information regarding the mystery deal that Murray hinted at on July 1st.  Priority seems to be another physical winger that can score but not a lot of information available beyond that.  The people I have talked to seem confident there’s still something in the works but the details are certainly well-guarded at this point.

-The Senators wrapped up Development Camp yesterday with the always entertaining 3 on 3 tournament. Team Black, made up of Shane Prince, Tobias Lindberg, Nick Paul, Troy Rutkowski, Kevin Tansey and Garret Thompson came away with the win. Forward Curtis Lazar won the title of Hardest Working Player in Camp. SensTV has highlights from the camp which are posted below.

  • Hax

    Lots of energy at dev camp. Guys looked hungry as they should.

    Hoping that at least one of those UFAs get extended soon just to ease the mood for Sens fans a bit.

    Thoughts still with the Murray family of course.

    • Pasky

      I have a feeling that the Ryan extension comes after this mystery trade gets done, hopefully it gets done anyways. Seems like they want to bring a piece that can be a bigger part of this team, and maybe sell Ryan on the idea that we want to win a cup in the near future once our young guys mature a little more.

      • Hax

        That makes sense. Assuming the trade is to bring in someone to help now (i.e. spend a bit etc) then it makes sense that they extend Ryan after it happens.

        • spezzerman

          I tend to agree as well but I think we should be mindful of the type of return we can expect if we are talking about Condra, Greening, Shane Prince, the 2015 second and possibly Weircioch as targets. None of these guys are going to bring in game changers, IMO that will sell Bobby Ryan alone. And I am basing that on Spezza bringing plenty of awesome prospects, but only 80ish total NHL GP’s.

          I suppose however if its a player from a cap spent team like Chicago they may be forced to make such a deal

        • http://www.Merchaholic.ca Merchaholic

          That would be BIG news. Do you have any ideas at all of who we could be targeting? If it’s Chicago (referring to a hawk scout possibly in the crowd) would it be Sharp?

          • Pasky

            Out of Chicago I’m inclined to say Sharp only because he’s the piece that was rumored to be the salary dump, but whether he waives to come hear is another question. Also his agent has reported that Sharp wasn’t interested in waiving his NTC so we’ll have to wait and see.

            The other deal I can think of is the deal from a couple years ago that involved Smith and Hjarlmasson, but again now he has a NTC and I don’t think that’s enough salary moved out for Chicago. They would have to add say Leddy and we would add Weircioch but then the deal becomes one sided.

            Kind of rambling on a bit but the whole salary issue is the problem with a deal involving Chicago.

        • Pasky

          As far the others, I’m sure MacArthur will be a mid/end of season extension if they go that route, which I don’t see why they wouldn’t. I say that because he can fall anywhere between 4M-5.5M a year depending on this upcoming season. He had 56 points last year and if he matches/surpases that then he can get a 5M a year contract I’m sure. If he regresses to say 40 points then the team might get a cheaper deal, so best for both parties to wait it out a bit.

          Methot extension to me depends on whether or not we trade Weircioch before the season starts. If they keep him on the team to see his potential and start Ceci in the minors, then they won’t re-sign Methot right now. If Weircioch proves himself a capable Top 4D next season and Cowen improves as well then I can see Methot being bait at the trade deadline.

          As for Anderson, I don’t see the team extending him unless he garees to be the back up for Lehner. They either keep him if we’re in the playoffs, or trade himat the deadline to a contender. Fringe starters/backup goalies come and go so it’s not a big deal if we lose him for nothing anyways, especially if he has another bad year.

          • http://www.Merchaholic.ca Merchaholic

            Maybe the mystery deal includes Anderson ;)

          • Pasky

            I doubt it to be honest. I think they keep him as insurance if Lehner stumbles out of the gate this year.

          • Tooks

            IF it was any big name we would have heard it by now.

          • Joe Farrell

            Imagine the Return if Andy reverts back to his
            lockout season Form….

  • Pasky

    I wonder why the deal is so guarded like this. Is it possible that this becomes a bigger deal than most anticipate or is it wishful thinking by my part?

    • Phil.

      With no actual facts about it,my suspicion is that it’s more likely guarded because the deal may or may not get done, rather than it could be a really huge deal

      • KJ

        I agree. Its unlikely it was complete hogwash, but its more likely the trading partner is taking a longer time to evaluate, or backing out. There may in fact have been something really close on FA day, but has gone cold all of a sudden.

    • MethotToMyMadness

      It’s one of two things. It’s either complete bogus, which is why nobody seems to be able to dig up any dirt. Or it’s so big, that anyone involved has been sworn to complete secrecy. Then there is also the chance that it is something between the Murray’s and that’s why nothing is leaking out.

      • Tooks

        Most likely bogus. Maybe 1 small trade to the D, move out a body for a pick.

  • CUP 2014-15

    I don’t think there is a big hurry to get the UFA’s of 2015 signed until later in the month. Haven’t seen any movement on CHI. signing their two big stars. GM’s and scouts are still rounding out their current rosters for the coming season. I would think we will see movement in a couple of weeks. In regards to the kids and camp, there is a ton to like about the future and to make room, I think we all know that a couple of current roster players need to be moved out. Love the look of this new lineup. A lot less flash and dash and a lot more bang and crash with what is known as youthful enthusiasm. Still lots of skill with the KT line, ZBad, Stone EK and CC. Bring on the big camp.

    • spgottawa

      Interesting idea that a CHI deal may be held up because of the Toews and Kane contract negotiations. The Blackhawks maybe hedging on how much salary they have to give up in future years until they know what the big contracts are going to look like…. This may make some sense – perhaps there are two different potential deals.

  • thepez

    Posted this already on a different thread , but only saw new thread now.
    If anyone heard Sylvain St.Laurent on tsn1200 yesterday, he mentioned that the Sens knew that BM was ill and were waiting to make the announcement after the draft and after the free agent frenzy had subsided. He also mentioned that the Sens lineup looks to be set and that he did not anticipate any more deals, according to his sources.
    I guess we may have to wait for any extensions to the “big 4″ that will be UFA’s in 2015.

    • spezzerman

      2015? not necessarily, and I hope not. They need to know the likelihood of these guys resigning heading into next season and if they arent able to, they need to trade them asap

      • thepez

        I didn’t mean wait until 2015, I meant these are the 4 that are becoming UFA’s in 2015. I’m with you, they should lock them up now or trade them.

        • spezzerman

          oops, sorry. totally misread that.

    • Mat

      I can’t see that being right. We have too many D right now and we have F prospects who are ready to make the jump, waiting to replace duds like Neil and Greening. Keeping the status quo would inevitably see Ceci back in Bingo. Not sure that makes any sense.

  • spezzerman

    made playoffs in 2 of 3 years on a rebuild and you still have to prove to fans there is a commitment to winning? Pretty laughable when you think about it. nothing wrong iwth missing playoffs when your team is so young and largely just finding their way in the NHL

    I do agree that obviously Ryan, Mac, Methot, etc need to be very comfortable with ownerships willingness to spend when the time is right. Signing these guys is really the first chance to do that in this “rebuild” so it will be hard to provide actual evidence before they resign. Again, what these guys choose to do will go a long way in telling us fans what’s really going on behind the scenes in terms of plans for the future.

    • SENSible Voice

      I fail to see what making the playoffs and a commitment to winning have to do with one another. You don’t give credit to ownership because your team overachieved. A commitment to win is shown by acquiring the pieces you need to get to the next level… something Melnyk as failed to do.

      • Andrews theory

        I think if fans/ players genuinely bought into the notion that the team will add the necessary components when our young core hits it’s stride that’d be suffiicient however Melnyk has a problem with loose lips and wont shut the hell up.

        Like most men, he’s his own worst enemy and has most people convinced that the budget constraints are not an interim status.

        • Sandy

          I think right now Melnyk is public enemy #1 in Ottawa.
          He is best to stay away from the home opener in Ottawa I don’t think he will like the reception he will receive.

          • Tooks

            And it would be well deserved, but I have a feeling fans will blindly cheer him on as he speaks to the 14,000 about a near Cup run…

        • spezzerman

          This i agree with. I am not confident he will based on how ridiculously inconsistent and unclear his messaging is, but at the same time, it would make absolutely no sense not to spend to retain all these young players you have spend so much time grooming and developing.

      • Sandy

        I wonder if Melnyk has any concerns at all about two of his team’s top players leaving because he is unwilling to spend to commit to win.
        If he is unwilling or unable to spend to re-sign key players and guys like Ryan, MacArthur leave to go where they can win, then he is really risking his season ticket base and other bums in the seats.
        It’s out there now that he will not spend. Alfie said it, Spezza said it and the TSN panel on July 1st were saying the same thing right after the Spezza trade.

        • Andrews theory

          I’m not sure MacArthur will be as demanding about playing for a winner per say. He doesnt have the pedigree of a star player and I’d imagine he likes being a big fish in a small bowl over being a small fish in a big bowl.

        • spezzerman

          When did Spezza say it? “This team gives me a chance to win a cup” is not the same as saying my old team wont. He is recognizing the timing is not right for him here in Ottawa.

          If Ryan and others refuse to sign here I am fully on board the not committed to winning boat, but up until now, its just fans taking out their anger on easy targets after losing their favourite players, which happens all the time.

        • TookieIs100PercentRight

          I do not think this is accurate (season ticket base). The lifers will always be lifers. The young season holders are pretty much enthralled by the prospects and young players so they are in no matter what. That leaves the “seasonals” that renew depending on team performance. If the team has 12,000 or so sth (let’s be generous, it’s close to 11,000 I’d say) then the “seasonals” are probably 1,000 or so, tops. So that leaves the Senators with 10,000 sth which is pretty much where they have been al their existence.

      • runningbear1974

        disagree… We got Turris, Mac, Methot, Ryan… All sorts of pieces… Of course more credit goes to Murray, but Melnyk deserves credit for signing Murray…

      • spezzerman

        in which of the last three years should we have been taking that step to the next level? and what assets did we have to get us there? its not a switch you can simply turn on.

      • Tooks

        ^this^
        We have a couple of good players but we dont have any elite players (Karlsson excluded) to win the Cup.

    • runningbear1974

      The ownership group has already shown a commitment to winning by acquiring guys like Ryan, Mac, Methot and Turris… And now Legwand…
      It has already been demonstrated… Year after year…
      There are 2 types of teams in this league… Those with Unlimited resources, and those with Limited resources, we fit in the second category…
      There are reasons besides money, besides the ownerships willingness to spend to the cap that a player might still decide to leave the team, that happens…

      • Tooks

        3 of the guys you mentioned could very well be out the door after this year…Not sure about you but that wouldnt show committment to winning.

    • Tooks

      Its all nice and dandy making the playoffs as a bubble team but did we even stand a chance to compete vs the big dawgs….no.

      All your saying is you like mediocrity…

      • spezzerman

        you probably dont even realize that you are supporting the point I am making.

    • SENSsmile

      The fact that Legwand seems happy to come here is certainly an encouraging sign at least.

      • spezzerman

        yeah and Michalek left money and term on the table too. they arent all stars but they did choose Ottawa over better/similar offers

  • CUP 2014-15

    I think I can speak for many on here when I say that the 2012-13 season was one of excitement and a team that brought their work boots every game. Well if we look at the turn over since that squad Gonchar and Benoit are gone and CC and King Karl are in their place (EK played only 17 Gm’s) that year. Up front we said good-bye to Alfie, Silfverberg, Latendress, O’Brien and the Dog and have welcomed Ryan, Chaisson, Hoffman, Legwand and Stone. Don’t know about you but this is a much better lineup and add to that our younger players have added a year of experience. Bring it on!!!!!!

    • SENSsmile

      I agree with everything in your post, except for the loss of Benoit. That was a big mistake, I think.

      • CUP 2014-15

        I don’t think the team was right in letting Alfie walk and Benoit was a victim of numbers but this team looks a lot more dangerous and fun to watch then the team from two seasons ago and if the team can add a top six LW and Robin can step up it’s going to be a lot of fun.

  • Andrews theory

    my first choice would be sign these guys asap obviously. With that said, those are some fairly valuable chips to other clubs heading down the stretch if it looks like we are out of the picture. Only issue is trading players on expiring contracts doesnt seem as fruitful as it was a few years ago.

  • Pasky

    Teams gonna be busy next year with all the expiring contracts. They got 7 UFA and 15 RFA in total. And Melnyk better open up his wallet then because Ryan, MacArthur, Methot, Zibanejad, Chiasson & Stone should all be getting at least 1M of a raise minimum. Then you have guys like Hoffman, Condra, Anderson, Borowiecki, Pageau & Prince who will at least want the same amount of dollars per year. That’s a minimum of 6M more to our salary cap next season, if we resign everyone that’s due for a raise.

    • Sandy

      That’s the one issue I have with Melnyk. He has to put the money up to keep this team together and that means to pay for the important players in the lineup when their contracts expire.
      I think the most important UFAs will be done before next season starts, depending on Murray’s health.
      I would assume that has been some preliminary talks with Ryan & MacArthur.

  • whammer44

    So lets just say said trade in question does not come off. Seems whatever the mgmt team has been working on, its been awhile, so I’m not entirely convinced that its a given that it will happen. So lets start chipping away at the key guys we need to re-sign. Whether its Ryan, Mac, Methot…get one on the books and then the dominos should start to fall as the other guys see the commitment to keep the core guys.

    If all these guys are waiting for some major trade to happen then it could be even a longer summer than it already has been.

  • MethotToMyMadness

    Lazar now holding the title of hardest working in the camp, that’s a good sign. Wasn’t it Claesson the last 2 years? Prince being part of the Team Black that won, will continue to point towards him wanting a spot with the big club and possible trade rumors I would expect.

    • CUP 2014-15

      Boro last year not sure about the year before

      • MethotToMyMadness

        Oh that’s right, it was Boro. I was sure Claesson won that title at some point, must have been the year before.

        • Cassidaus

          I’m pretty sure Claesson won it last year.

        • Max Power

          Im pretty sure it was claesson last year with Boro taking it the the two years prior

          • Andrews theory

            thats correct.

        • Mat

          I thought it was Claesson last year and Boro the previous 2 years.

        • CohMa

          It was Claesson last year. There’s even a video on the Sens site where Mark Stone is interviewing Claesson talking about it. Boro won it the two years before that.

      • Tooks

        Yep now you know the sigificance of the Hardest working player…

      • Sensnation

        Boro – 2011
        Boro – 2012
        Claesson – 2013

        • CUP 2014-15

          Thanks, I guess as I tried to wipe last year from the files, I went further back then I thought, LOL, Tequila is all that and more, wow!!!

  • Max2166

    Thanks for the update Chirp. As other have said, this mystery deal is so big that a lot of people will be surprised. I do not think it is “bogus”. As long as Ryan, MacArthur and Methot are extended. Sens Army will be very happy.

    • Mat

      There has to be a trade. Log jams at D and F prospects ready to make the jump. I am curious if this deal happens while Dorion and Lee are at the helm though.

      • Max2166

        I agree that there will be a trade. I’m certain that Dorion and Lee are both in communication with Bryan Murray, when he is available. I’m certain Bryan Murray would of not mention on Canada Day that the Sens were working on a trade, if it was not true.

      • Tooks

        Yep, I believe we do a small trade of no significance to free up some room on D. Apart from that, our line up is pretty much set:

        MacA Turris Ryan
        MM9 Legwand Stone
        Hoffman Zib Chiasson
        Greening Smith Neil
        Condra Lazar (I think he goes back to Jr)

        Methot Karlsson
        Cowen Ceci
        Phillips PW46
        Boro Gryba (one of them gone for a 5th round pick)

        Andy
        Lehner

        • boom

          Not sure if Lazar will go back to Jr, or not. I just hope that, if they do keep him, it’s for the right reasons. I like what I have seen from the kid but he doesn’t look like a “can’t miss” player, to me, at least.
          It sounds almost counter-productive, but I wouldn’t mind him playing RW on the 4th line, IF he does show that he belongs. I know most will say that it’s a waste of time and talent, but there would be less pressure and he could just play his game…

          • spezzerman

            I think 10 minutes in a 4th line role for a 200 ft player is better for development than not being challenged in junior for an entire year. If he is expendable from the lineup when the time comes, they can release him for the World Junior’s going on in our backyard and give a bingo kid a chance while he is gone

  • NewSensFan

    Is it October yet?

    • sens_bud

      Really though, we are entering the dog days of summer. Hold on to your hats, its gonna be a long boring couple months. Unless somehow we can pull off this mystery trade and its something other then Stewart coming our way, or maybe a Ryan signing would bridge the seemingly eternal gap between now and camp.

  • Hax

    Derek Grant resigned – 1 year, 2-way.

    • AutoTurris

      I’m seeing it as Alex Grant, the D man

      • Phil.

        See that too now. I thought it was a pre-arbitration signing of Derek.

      • Hax

        Yes, my bad.

    • Phil.

      Plan.The. Parade.

  • ChiassonDownTheCup

    First priority should be trimming the fat and trading Condra, Greening and Wiercioch. Then these extensions are a close second.

    • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

      Can’t believe you put wiercioch in the same sentence as Condra and greening

      • Turbo_Prop

        It’s not even really fair how people lump Condra in with Greening.
        I have no problem with Condra, inexpensive contract, kills penalties, drives possession.
        The goal of our 4th line should be to not get scored on, and he is much less of a liability than Greening or Neil IMO

        • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

          Agree completely.. We’ll be don’t mind Neil on the fourth thought.. I’m just not sure Greening has a place on the team.

        • Sensnation

          No one is afraid of a Condra hit. Need a grinding line more than another PKer.

        • ChiassonDownTheCup

          Condra is not outstanding in any aspect of his game. I’d rather have any fringe young player on the team developing into the skillset. But yes, he is not as bad as Greening.
          Wiercioch is the definition of lazy in his own zone without the puck.
          Greening is getting paid 2.65 million dollars this season which is slightly less of a joke than people saying he is effective because he was top five in the league in “hits”. He may as well have given his victims a massage too.

    • 011111111110101010110000101011

      Eugene Pinchpenny kisses Condra’s (and Smith’s) contract every night at bed time

  • Nikola Todorić

    I’m still blown away done people defend Melnyk and refuse to see him for the scum he is. He will not spend when the time is right… He won’t ever spend.

    But you know… these people know that Melnyk will spend… better than Spezza and Alfie. They’re experts.

    • Sensnation

      Alfie and Spezza have windows right now. The core of our roster’s window starts in another year or two. They don’t line up. Remember when we went to the finals then Melnyk spent extra for a few years trying to chase the dream. That would be the proof that your side tends to ignore.

      • Nikola Todorić

        The salary cap then was lower than the cap floor now. Ticket prices were the same price. That should prove that people defending Melnyk don’t think.

        Forget Alfie and Spezza then… everyone knows Melnyk is broke brother. That includes the NHL.

        • Tooks

          Yep, oh and Melnyk wasnt bankrupt…nor divorced, lol.

          • EK65
          • 011111111110101010110000101011

            even more lazy boy analysis from the man
            “who knows nothing about hockey”

          • Tooks

            LOL, Melnyk is now divorced yes, but wasnt when he was spending to the cap, up until 2010 I believe. You guys are way too easy…

        • Senatollah

          LOL? the world is coming to an end. Access to over $500m, runs a profitable arena and ticketing company and makes ends meet on an NHL team. Not close to broke.

          But WE the fans pay to see our (HIS) team and WE can be upset that HE isnt spending to the cap which would indicate wanting to WIN. WE can also be shortsighted in spending to the cap now when in 2-3 years raises to players will naturally get us there. Each lockout f@#$% our (HIS) team more than most teams

          • Nikola Todorić

            Melnyk is a very rich man no doubt, but he is evidently not rich enough to run a hockey team in a Canadian market and an awful location for an arena.

            He bought the team and arena for something around 100mill… now it’s worth over 340mill…

            Tv deals add an additional 40 million a year.

          • Sensnation

            How about waiting until he gets some of that tv deal money before whining.

          • Sensnation

            How many Canadian teams spent to the cap last year? ZERO!!!

            Toronto was 10th, Montreal 12th, Winnipeg 14th, Vancouver 18th, and then we were sandwiched between Edmonton and Calgary.
            http://www.capgeek.com/archive/

            There is not 1 Canadian owner, not even the two rich teams, spending like you want our small market team to spend.

          • Senatollah

            Nikola Trollodoric are you serious, yes the arena is in an awful location but Melnyk didnt put it there?!?! What is wrong with you. Think it was Chirp when discussing Melnyk and the casino months ago said that the reason he wanted the casino is cause Watson and his buddies wont let him move the team elsewhere in ottawa.

          • dazillion

            Don’t forget the massive return he realized on the team itself via equity. Purchased for $90M, now worth $200M. And given broadcasting’s new-found love affair with live sports and original content, the value of these teams is going to continue to rocket up, even if the dollar tanks.

        • Sensnation

          Wait, you’re mad that the cap went up, salaries went up but ticket prices stayed the same? lol

    • Phil.

      Let’s say you’re right. Melnyk is scum. Now what?

    • Kohlmanator

      No need for the public defamation of character. He owns the team and will do what he wants. We can discuss and debate all we want about if or when he will spend money, but it is his money.

      • Nikola Todorić

        What’s wrong with you people? Where else would this attitude be acceptable… public deformation of character? How about lying to the public on a continuous basis and taking us for idiots? As some fans are.

        Either win or get the fuck out of town… I don’t want a mediocre team, I want a winner. And last time I checked, winning costs money.

        • SENSsmile

          Hyperbole much?

          • Nikola Todorić

            I’m on a phone…

        • Sensnation

          Win or leave? What team has won non stop in the NHL? If you can’t handle ONE losing season you need to check yourself.

          • Nikola Todorić

            It’s not the losing season… that comes with sports. It’s expected and that’s fine.

            It’s the commitment to winning. Dont listen to what Melnyk says, look at what he does… All we keep getting is confirmation from players, media and other hockey outlets that ownership is a problem in Ottawa. The management isn’t happy. The arena staff aren’t happy. And most fans aren’t happy.

            Winning starts at the top… and the top is Eugene Melnyk.

          • Sensnation

            Lol, man your funny. Enjoy your “knowledge”, seems pretty empty.

          • Nikola Todorić

            Facts… not knowledge. Dont you read the things Senschirp and other sources post.

          • Sensnation

            If you’ve spent any time on this site you know I read just about everything posted about the Sens. Doesn’t mean your act or the media’s need for a story represents the actual situation. As has been said many times, wait and see what happens and stop acting like the world is ending. But your win or get the f out attitude will not get you far in any discussion, especially after only 1 losing season.

        • ChiassonDownTheCup

          If the attitude for every pro sports owner was “win or get the fuck out of town” – we wouldn’t have pro sports. Were you complaining when our team went to the Stanley Cup Final with a budget of 43 million?

        • Kohlmanator

          I have a great idea; put up or shut up. You don’t want a mediocre team? Buy the team from Melnyk and spend to the cap. No one is stopping you.

    • boom

      And I’m blown away (and embarrased) by my own lack of knowledge and insight as compared to all of you on the inside, who are privy to the internal discussions around budget and cap-space. Here I was still feeling some sense of gratitude for Melnyk stepping up and buying the team, when, in actual fact, he is scum!!!
      I was clearly in the wrong, and I’m sure I can come up with dozens of specific signings that the Sens failed to make that were clearly because of him being scum…and we all know that all these free agent signings will prove to be worth every penny…right? Right?
      Thanks to you, I know now that he is scum.

      • Andrews theory

        He also forced the only true Sens legend we’ve ever had to go to another team.

        Nikola’s scum comment may have been a little over the top but the smart passengers get off the ship before it sinks.

        Melnyk needs to go

  • A-Train

    Put me in the camp that says “don’t rush the extensions.”

    Only in Sensnation circa 2014 would July 1 of the year BEFORE free agency be considered an important day to get a signing done.

    Sure, there’s the PR factor. But you know what’s better PR? Having 3 or 4 key players show up for the season in peak condition and playing lights-out for a big contract in 2015.

    • spezzerman

      I do agree completely. But lets face it, Ryan is getting paid no matter how many goals he scores next season. Having him sign an extension now when he knows the Flyers are going to back a dump truck of money on his front lawn would speak volumes to the teams “commitment to winning” and get people back on board sooner than later.

      • A-Train

        Given how long the Senators pursued Ryan, you’d think they would want to get it done.

        If it were me, I’d want to see a little more from him. See him show up to camp ready to rock, maybe start tearing it up to start the season — then sign.

        • spezzerman

          its more whether he wants to get it done that I am worried about. And again, only because we need to see signs that we are in fact going to see this thing through

          • A-Train

            If he indicates to the team he doesn’t want to sign then it’ll mean he wants to test the UFA market. He’ll be extra motivated to produce. The Senators will get a good season out of him then sell high at the deadline. Same goes for all of these guys.

            I’m the furthest thing from a tank nation member, but if things do go south this season even I have to admit the Senators will be in a great position to pull the trigger on some epic deadline deals.

          • spezzerman

            true. Problem with deadline deals is that you never get bonafide roster players, just picks and prospects. For a guy like Ryan, you will get great ones, but at this point, we need Ryan, or a player of his caliber, in the lineup.

          • A-Train

            Oh, I agree. And I predict the team will make the playoffs this year.

            But things can always go south (regression, injuries, luck, etc) and if for some reason they end up bottom-feeding they could really load-up on picks with the likes of Ryan, Macarthur, Methot, Anderson and Legwand to deal with. Those are exactly the kinds of players contenders are hunting for a the deadline.

            Anyway…don’t want to belabour that subject. I like all those guys and hope they sign here and the team succeeds.

          • spezzerman

            great draft year for that!!

          • Deadly

            Strange thing about injuries the last few years, it has been the factor the has really shone a light on our farm system. Injuries again to the right people could put us over the top.
            Kinda feel guilty saying it but it has lead to good things in recent years.

          • A-Train

            Red herring in my opinion. Our success that season had to do with incredible goaltending. That and some stolen points from timely late game scoring (luck, but the good kind).

            The Spezza, Karlsson and Anderson injuries that season have really reinforced a certain type of Sens fan’s ideas about winning.

    • Pasky

      Get Ryan done before the start for the season. You know he’ll get 7M regardless of this season, and at least the good PR might help sell a few more tickets. It would look like the team has committed to Ryan of a winning team in the future and may curtail this budget negativity for a while at least. The other UFAs there’s no rush though.

  • Zelle

    They will sign Bobby and Mac. The Senators will have a strong, stable, consistent first line of Mac – Turris – Ryan. With two signings, a trade, and the younger guys playing to their potential the team will have two second lines comprised of Michalek / Hoffman (fastest players on the sens), Zbad / Legwand, and Stone / Chiasson. The fourth line can be populated by Smith and Lazar, and then whoever they feel would best suit them whether it be Greening, Pageau, or Condra. With Neil fading a bit he can take Kassian’s spot of being played intermittently.

    I like the way the team looks so far.

    • Sensnation

      Who will fight if you’re sitting Neil? We had finally moved away from Neil being our only fighter these last few years, it’s concerning if we go back to that, let alone expect him to play an enforcer only role.

      • spezzerman

        dont need a “fighter”, do we? we are big enough that if comes down to it, guys can stick up for each other. I dont think we will be intimidated. A fighter who can play is always nice but not easy to come by.

        • Sensnation

          Have you seen the heavyweights in this league. Smith is not going to be stepping up to them as the only option.

          • spezzerman

            no one needs to step up to a heavyweight anymore, but they sure can step around them.

        • MethotToMyMadness

          Seems the East keeps looking to have at least 1 fighter type of guy in each roster, while the West is just looking for Bigger stronger players in general who hit and leave it at that.

          I love what Neil has continually brought to the table each and every year, but he is past him prime in the fighting dept, and that means we are using him for other things like energy plays, hitting and getting in front of the net on occasion. He has shown a few flashes of his hands, which still surprise me when it happens. But he’s no longer the 20 goal scorer he was in North Bay!

          It’s no surprise he’s seen a dip in his ice time, and that will continue to happen to a degree as our younger guys find spots and new roles on the team.

          • spezzerman

            I’m not knocking Neil, just to clarify. I love him, and I love what he brought to the table in his heyday but its getting harder and harder to justify his spot in a crowded lineup on a regular basis.

      • bluebuyyoo

        Neil is 35. Getting way too long in the tooth to be the same fighter he was in the past. He is a very smart fighter, but the young guys are very quick and very strong. Guys like Kassian and Carkner took the pressure off of Neil.

        • Sensnation

          Exactly, Neil can be his best self when he’s not the only fighter. Allows him to play and pick his spots instead of having to fight every heavyweight out there.

        • sprucesens

          not lobbying against fights or anything, but man, wouldn’t it be nicer if we didn’t have to worry about keeping lesser talented players on hockey teams, just so they can fight if need be, rather than putting players that are gonna put the puck in the net, and be sound defensively….?

          • Sensnation

            Agreed about pure fighters. I think the Neils and Chris Simons and others who can actually play would still have a role either way. The Kassians not so much.

      • Hax

        Neil won’t sit but Smith can fight and we really don’t have many guys
        that can’t handle themselves anyway. We certainly don’t need a full
        time fighter. Lots of big boys that can drop ‘em if needs be.

        • Sensnation

          Who other than Neil is dropping with the big guys? I really don’t see what you guys are seeing here.

      • Zelle

        Chiasson, Smith, and Lazar can all stick up for teammates. And if we go up against teams that are known to try rough stuff you put in Neil for Lazar or Pageau.

        On D we have Cowen and Gryba who can handle their own.

        • 011111111110101010110000101011

          Gryba ?

          • Zelle

            Yes edited and added him and Cowen right after I posted xD

        • CUP 2014-15

          Cowen is a gamer as well

        • Sensnation

          It’ll be interesting to see how it plays out, but I really don’t expect Neil to sit that much. Also looking tight for Lazar and Pageau to both make it, but we won’t know until the trade happens. But the level of toughness from a Smith or rookie Lazar or even Chiasson does not put any fear in opponents like Neil does. You can’t replace his intimidation with size imo.

          • Zelle

            The issue with Neil at this point is he takes forever to get started and start hitting. Usually at least a period or a period and a half. I love him, he’s great, and his heart is with the team, but I think the younger guys can fill the roll he plays.

          • Sensnation

            I hope Lazar concentrates on other aspects of the game in his first year. That really only leaves Smith, Chiasson, and maybe Gryba/Cowen who are still establishing themselves, as “fighters”. Hopefully they can scare some teams.

        • Sensnation

          Just to add to the convo, here are the fighting leaders from our team last year. After Neil’s 15, and Kassian’s 9 fights, we are left with Boro, Greening and Smith at 3 fights each last year. Gryba had 2, Cowen 1.

          http://www.hockeyfights.com/teams/21/season_leaders/reg2014

          • Zelle

            Pretty big gap, but how many of Neil’s fights were useful and how many were just for “energy” or because he could?

          • Sensnation

            That’s a matter of personal opinion. Hard to get a stat on that one. The more you dislike fighting or what could be considered a “staged fight” the more likely one would be to think a lot of them were for that purpose. At the end of the day his fights let other teams know they can’t just run through us with no regard for retribution.

          • Jakester

            The fighters are becoming pretty useless especially with all the stupid penalties that come with it(Neil).

      • ChiassonDownTheCup

        Who was LA’s fighter last year? Who was Chicago’s fighter the year before that? It’s about time the team moves away from players who need to be stuck up for. It’s a man’s game, players should be able to stick up for themselves – even if it means Phil Kesseling a guy.

        • Sensnation

          Chicago’s were Brandon Bollig and Sheldon Brookbank. LA had Kyle Clifford, Jordan Nolan and Daniel Carcillo.

    • Pasky

      I wouldn’t pencil in Lazar as a full time player yet. Considering the amount of contracts we have right now we would have to trade 2 forwards without getting one in return for him to have a guaranteed spot. We know that Ryan, Chiasson & Stone will be the RW in the Top 3 lines with Neil & Condra splitting 4th line duties. Then there’s Turris, Zibby, Legwand & Smith as the Centers of this team. And Lazar doesn’t play LW so that leaves him on the outside looking. He should still get a look for his 9 game tryout but I think that’s as far as it goes for this year, which isn’t bad as he didn’t really been dominate the junior league, although he was one of the best for sure.

      • Zelle

        Although I do think they will at least give him a shot I know he is not 100% in the lineup. If he’s not it’s no big deal you can play Smith – Pageau – Condra. If Pageau isn’t in their plans and they keep Greening you can have Greening – Smith – Condra. Honestly the roster looks pretty set for next season.

        • Pasky

          Agree with the roster being set. I think/hope whatever trade they’re talking about is to ship Greening out for an upgrade on the left side. But this is what I can see for the start of next season without Lazar in the lineup.

          MacArthur-Turris-Ryan
          Michalek-Zibanejad-Stone
          Hoffman-Legwand-Chiasson
          Greening-Smith-Neil/Condra

          • Zelle

            This is what I see as well, although I would prefer to stay away from Greening – Smith – Neil simply to shut up a lot of fans. I’m thinking one of Greening / Condra will be gone.

        • runningbear1974

          So, in your opinion… With this lineup, has the Ownership shown a “commitment” to wining?

          • Pasky

            It’s a competitive budget lineup. Next years the big test with a lot of players up for renewals and raises to their current salary. If they ship out talent to stay at 56M next season then there’s no plan for committing to win.

          • Zelle

            I believe they will sign Ryan, Mac, Lehner, and Methot. If they do that then yes they are. If they let one of these guys slide then I will have to say no. Also I expect them to do something with Greening and Cowen if they don’t show vast improvements this coming season.

          • Jakester

            Yes!

    • Sandy

      To sign Bobby & Mac, Melnyk will have to pony up about 3.5 – 4M extra for both next season (2015-16). Then add Methot & Anderson & Condra (doubt he’s back) more UFAs.
      Then add contracts to RFAs Zibby, Chiasson, Stone, Hoffman (he’s probably gone as well) & Boro.
      So the Sens will have to make room to add about 8M in raises for the players that they have to keep.
      So after next season we will know if this Owner is willing to spend to keep key players to make the club successful, or this team is basically going to become a development team for the rest of the NHL if he won’t pay raises to keep the players this team needs when their contracts expire.
      He has to do the spending in 2015/16 because if he doesn’t he has lost a lot of ticket revenue because the fans won’t spend to go see the team.

  • MethotToMyMadness

    Just watching the video that Chirp had posted from the dev camp. Trying to get a good visual on who is on the ice, it’s hard because it’s so fast. But there is a one take where #64 blows around someone and makes a great move for a goal. That kid has wheels. I had to look him up, it’s Shane Eiserman who was just drafted in the 4th round, 100th overall this year. 6’2″, 201 lbs, and looks like one of those guys who bull themselves to the net and make things happen.

  • MethotToMyMadness

    Senators have re-signed D Alex Grant to a one-year, two-way contract.

  • ChampIsHere

    Find it funny Spezza playing for the guy that sent Peters after him lol Ruff should send out a tweet like Bobby Ryan did #wewonttalkaboutit http://youtu.be/DZT2PIyE5Vg

    • Sensnation

      Emery’s still the man for this game! One of the best Sens moments imo.

  • Sandy

    For those of you who want to listen to the Sylvain St-Laurent interview, he it is.

    http://proxy.autopod.ca/podcasts/chum/186/23515/sly.mp3

  • zippy

    Does Neil draw more penalties than he takes?

    • SensChirp
      • spezzerman

        thats tied for 2nd worst in the league. (Ha! Phaneuf #1) He has to improve that number.

    • Sensnation

      Why would he draw more penalties than he takes? That’s normally more skilled players that do that.

      • zippy

        If he doesn’t score alot of goals, then you hope if he’s agitating alot…which he is..that he gets them in the box more than he is.

        Otherwise the Sens are at the wrong end of the stick…and he’s a liability

        • Sensnation

          That would mean just about every “tough guy” is a liability just because of that stat. That’s a bit of a jump in deductive reasoning, no?

          • zippy

            Well, other parts of this comment section are saying exactly that…the West has fewer fighters than the East.

          • Sensnation

            Actually the stats don’t match up with what people have posted as their opinion. The West is littered with fighters too. The best examples of LA and Chicago winning cups as a tough team, still had fighters as well.

          • spezzerman

            He needs to cut that number down big time. at -26 he is a liability considering how often we were short handed and how many power play goals we allowed last season.

  • MethotToMyMadness

    It’s been a long time since we had a prospect update, I’ve been going through the list of players who were at the Dev camp and following up on some of them.

    I didn’t realize that Ben Harpur was just selected on Saturday, to attend Team Canada’s World Junior camp this Summer. He had a pretty slow start in the O with Guelph, but this year really seemed to have pulled it together.

    Along with Harpur, recently-acquired Nick Paul and Memorial Cup champion Curtis Lazar, are also invited.

    • A-Train

      I think the debate now becomes about our last group of prospects. Do Pageau, Stone and Puemple assert themselves as NHL players soon or not? Because it sounds like they have some other guys nipping at their heels.

      • Pasky

        I think Stone does this year and Puemple will probably get called up at some point this year with injuries. I like Pageau’s energy but I question whether or not he becomes a full time NHLer, or at least with this team. Turris, Zib and Smith are in it for the long run unless Smith gets traded. Pageau can fit as a 3rd line energy guy but it looks like this team wants to be big & talented and Pageau just doesn’t have the size compared to Lazar, Grant or any other future players we sign/trade for. Having Lazar play RW might be a way for the team to keep Pageau around but I’m not sure. If it wasn’t for him being a local guy then I think he would be trade bait.

        • Jakester

          Pageau is a good player. Don’t sell him short.

  • A-Train

    Interesting discussion in here about fighting and toughness. I think Murray et al have been trying to get away from the cycle of to goon or not to goon we’ve seen repeated over and over with this team.

    That’s where the emphasis on bigger, “harder” players comes from.

    • Sensnation

      Bigger and harder is good for sure, but even the biggest and hardest teams to play against still have guys that fight. Boston is probably the best big and hard team in the East, they still have Shawn Thornton fighting for them and Lucic is a power forward every team covets but very few of them exist.

      • A-Train

        True. But what we’ve seen over the years in Ottawa is either nobody but Neil who can fight…until there’s a perception the team’s getting pushed around. Then they go pick up someone who’s intimidating but absolutely useless at hockey.

        Seems like some of the recent acquisitions and moves have been trying to get away from that cycle. There’s only one Lucic…but maybe the idea of Lucic is informing the current roster build?

        • Max Power

          This isn’t much to go on, but watching some youtube nhl14 videos I’ve heard Chiasson described as “Lucic lite”

          He can fight

          • PraiseAlfie11

            Two nhl fights, 2 in the ahl over 2 seasons.

            Nhl fight against landeskog didn’t look that good. Fought with visor and lost. Other one was a draw and didn’t last long.

            He’s not a fighter.

        • Sensnation

          Murray has always wanted a Lucic style player, it’s that power forward he’s constantly searching for. Hopefully Chiasson can provide some of that, but Lucic really is a fighter as mean or meaner than Neil with the skill of a top 6, such an awesome combo!

      • spezzerman

        they dropped Thornton. fighting as a skill is useless if you dont have other skills to contribute elsewhere. SAdly, Neil doesnt have it any more, or certainly didnt last year.

        • Sensnation

          They just dropped him, they’ve been running him out there for the last few years WHILE they were successful.

          • spezzerman

            you said they still have Shawn Thornton which they dont, they dropped him because he is no longer effective enough to justify a place in the lineup. Its a similar situation to Neil actually in the sense that they are getting older. Neil has to step up his game big time if he wants to justify a spot in the lineup. and, it starts with improving that number. If he can do that and continue banging and crashing, that is good .But last year, he was more a liability than anything, IMO.

          • Sensnation

            They still had him fighting this year is what I meant to write, my mistake. But I’m not sure we can say for sure they dropped him for that reason, they had a cap crunch they were dealing with.

          • spezzerman

            fair enough, the cap situation definitely might have played into that, I’m not implying Boston didnt appreciate what he brought but they did find him to be expendable and he is a cheap player

          • Sensnation

            Understood. All I’m saying in this whole convo is there are still fighters in both conferences, most successful teams still employ them despite the masses’ perception that LA and Chicago won without fighters, and that the drop off from Neil to our next fighter is way too much to expect our lineup without Neil to be able to stand up for themselves on a nightly basis. He’s not what he used to be, but he’s still worthy of his roster spot in the bottom 6.

          • spezzerman

            it was a worthwhile discussion, you made me realize the Bruins are absolutely *ucked cap-wise this season. 1.6M available and only 18 players signed for next year. Reilly Smith and Torey Krug are unsigned and easily worth more than 1.6M each alone…

            will be interesting to see how the dig themselves out of that mess

          • Sensnation

            Agreed, they have a bit of cap math ahead of them this summer. I’m amazed no one is offer sheeting Smith, but I guess most GMs don’t use that tactic.

          • spezzerman

            I imagine not many teams want to part with a 1st rounder next year…

          • Sensnation

            Can Boston match even a 2nd round pick 3mil offer? I would think a team who expects to go for it next year may not mind losing a late 1st, but I know the 2015 draft is expected to be one of the deepest ever, so who knows.

          • spgottawa

            I think Marc Savard is a LTIR candidate. That may take care of $4M in cap space. Even with that it will be tight…

          • spezzerman

            yes indeed, good call. they will be ok

          • Rafi Bomb

            The Kings are a very physical team so they don’t have to rely as heavily on fighters even though they still have Clifford and Nolan.

            There are a few teams that are carrying a number of fighters going into next season.

            Toronto has Orr, McLaren, Clarkson and Bodie as well as physical players like Kadri, Komarov, Phaneuf

            Calgary has McGrattan, Bollig, Engelland, Wolff as well as physical players like Van Brabant, Glencross, Bouma and Giordano

            Columbus has Hartnell and Boll as well as physical players like Foligno, Dubinsky, Wisnieswki, Jenner and Johansen

            Brooklyn has Carkner, Boulton and Gallant as well as physical players like Martin, Clutterbuck and Conacher

            Philadelphia has has Rosehill, Simmonds and Rinaldo as well as physical players like Luke Schenn, Brayden Schenn, Voracek and Giroux

            Anaheim has Maroon and Jackman as well as physical players like Getzlaf, Perry, Kesler, DSP, Etem and Nat Thompson

            LA has Clifford and Nolan as well as physical players like Brown, Richards, Stoll, Regehr and Greene

          • Rafi Bomb

            There has been a lot of talk that Bobby Robbins will replace Shawn Thornton on the Bruins. Peter Chiarelli has stated that he will get a real shot out of camp.

    • Rafi Bomb

      The Senators are certainly a bigger team at this point, but they aren’t necessarily harder. To be a “hard” team you need players who play with an edge to their game, are nasty to play against and have a mean streak. If you look throughout our lineup, very few of our players actually have an edge to their game and many of the supposed physical players are inconsistent in their physicality. Therefore we could really use a bit more “jam” to the lineup in order to truly be a “hard” team.

      As we saw throughout last season and at the season end press conference, Murray had explicitly stated that this team could use a bigger forward who is harder to play against and can stick up for his team mates if necessary. At this point the organization hasn’t made a single move to address this need so it is still an area that will require some kind of action to be taken. Originally it was speculated that the Sens wanted a hard top six forward but at this point that option will only be available via trade and most hard top six forwards either aren’t being traded or have been shipped out already (Hartnell, Neal) which leaves the free agent market as the primary solution for this issue. At this point the remaining free agents who fit that bill are agitators and enforcers so it is becoming increasingly likely that that is the type of player we are going to bring in.

      While fighting isn’t as prevalent as it used to be, intimidation certainly is. This is often an overlooked area when Sens fans are discussing whether the team needs to improve its toughness and how exactly this should be done. An enforcer (contingent on them being a feared enforcer) has the ability to both prevent his team mates from becoming intimidated when they play tough teams and can also be utilized to intimidate the opposition.

      Some fans seem to also overlook the latent casual implications of having a heavyweight or not. For example, there appears to be a relationship between the physicality displayed by agitators and hitters and the presence of a heavyweight. Therefore teams that employ heavyweight enforcers may experience an increased output in physicality by all their skaters and primarily their already physical players. This is where we experience players “running around” when they have a heavyweight on their team to fight their battles for them. Seeing as the primary value of physical players/ agitators is their a physicality and abrasiveness, anything that increase their production in this department could be a viable strategy to employ. Therefore in order to get the most out of players like Neil, it is useful to carry a heavyweight because as we have seen in the past, he plays his best hockey and is at his peak in physicality when we also had players like Carkner and McGrattan in the lineup. With this relationship in place, one can potentially mitigate the physical output of a team by addressing their heavyweight enforcer; if the heavyweight has absolute confidence that he can run around and impose his will then so will his team mates, if the heavyweight is intimidated by the opposition’s enforcer or his presence in any way deters his physicality, it may have a causal impact of the first enforcers team mates. For example if Orr and McLaren don’t have anyone that is a real threat to them on Ottawa, it will increase their confidence to run around which will also increase the confidence of players like Clarkson and Kadri to take additional runs at our star players and essentially try to intimidate us. If we had someone in the lineup that could knock either Orr or McLaren out, it would cause both players to be more apprehensive in their play and as a result decrease the physicality and antics of Clarkson and Kadri among others.

      At this point our primary issue is that we don’t have any form of organizational depth in the enforcer role as we don’t have a full time heavyweight in Ottawa, nor do we have one in Binghamton. If we go into the season with the current roster, if it becomes prevalent that we have a need for one, we will be in a bit of trouble and be forced to trade for one. The risk with this is that no team is going to trade away a quality heavyweight if they are using them, so we will get stuck with a much lower calibre fighter.

      I think one area which causes some confusion is that not all heavyweights are made the same. Some are great fighters who are feared, are a little crazy and abrasive to play against, others are big slugs who can’t hit, can’t fight and can’t play hockey. The fans advocating that we bring in a guy want the former, not the later; we would be just as pissed off as those fans who don’t want a heavyweight if we bring in a guy who can’t fight and intimidate.

      If we look across the league most teams are currently carrying a heavyweight either on their team on have one waiting down in the minors, so they are still being employed across this league. While we have sufficient size, we could still use some added physicality against tough teams like Toronto, Calgary and Brooklyn as well as against physical teams like Philadelphia, Columbus, Boston, Anaheim, LA, St Louis and San Jose.

      Another reason to consider carrying a heavyweight is that they are fan favourites and can help provide some entertainment. There will be many fans wondering who is going to fight Orr and McLaren, and if we bring someone in who has the ability to kick their ass, it will create some further excitement for the fans and build up the rivalry and animosity between two teams. The NHL is still a business and it is important to create further incentive for fans to pay for tickets.

      Finally, if we look at the performance of the Senators over the last decade, we have had our best performances when we employed a tough and physical team. Therefore seeing as there has been a historical trend of success with this model, it is important for the Senators to build a tough team in order to increase their probability of success.

  • WaitingSince92

    Always find it strange when you talk about how vocal players are about wanting to stay here, Chirp. To me, it doesn’t mean much. They may truly want to stay, but if a reporter asks you that question, you don’t really have a choice in the answer.

    I think a lot of players, when they say they’d love to stay, they mean provided they are paid what they want.

    • Hax

      Fair point and tough to know for sure. But Bobby seems to have gone above-and-beyond since the acquired him to show how happy he is here (team, fans, city etc). So while that can change easily enough or be complete BS, I tend to believe him.

      • Zelle

        You look at how it’s said and not what is said. I believe Bobby when he says it because his body language and tone don’t contradict him.

      • WaitingSince92

        That’s kinda what I mean though. Even if they say all the right things dozens of times over, and you can point to dozens of examples of things they did in the community that show they want to stay, but even then, if you don’t get a offer you consider fair, none of those things matter (not to every player, of course)

        • Hax

          All true. But sometimes you can tell the difference (or maybe it’s
          just “get a feeling”) between a player saying what he’s supposed to and going above and beyond. The whole schtick with him in the market last summer asking people if they recognized the guy in the picture (himself) seemed like he was genuinely having fun. And I can recall a few times where he could have partially dodged the question or even given an answer that was adequate but he took the opportunity to go on about how happy he is.

          Even if it was all genuine he can still walk of course – but I am still optimistic.

      • spgottawa

        The guy tweeted out about the RedBlacks! And he’s not Canadian… It would be cruel to go that far and not mean it!

    • Sensnation

      Michalek definitely proved he wanted to stay here by taking less. Turris signed on longeterm when he didn’t have to. For every Alfie or Spezza leaves to chase it during THEIR twilight, there’s another who choses to stay with a good quality organization.

      • sprucesens

        we stayed as sens fans by taking less. Home town discount

  • Deadly

    Check out Turris with one of our scouts. At least dressed like a scout.

    • Hax

      Bret Hart is a scout for us now?

      Saw Turris and some of the boys playing soccer at Sensplex yesterday before the 3-on-3. Nice to see such a large group of players training in Ottawa for at least part of the summer.

      I can see Turris as a captain eventually.

      • Sandy

        Turris’ wife is expecting in Sept. I assume because of that he is spending his summer in Ottawa. Can’t go travelling around with a 7 mos pregnant wife.

        • Hax

          He spent most of the summer hear last year too as I recall. With Patrick Wiercioch in the gym. But yeah it’s possible he’s only staying for his wife but still nice to see a large group. Wasn’t able to ID everyone but there were at least 8 guys.

          • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

            Turris and wiercioch have been all around town.. My wife’s friend has ran into them with her kids all over the place. At a park, they played soccer with them, bayshore

    • Phil.

      He’s not a real scout, no Sens hat.

  • Hax

    Murray should piss everyone off and announce an extension for Erik Condra first.

    • MisterUtterbag

      Condra before Ryan….yikes. That would take balls

      • Hax

        Depends on what the negotiations are like. I would assume one doesn’t impact the other – it’s not like we’re going to spend Ryan money on Condra. But the fans would go a bit apeshit I’m sure.

    • Sensnation

      I like Condra as a defensive specialist, but is Condra the type of player that gets an early extension? I’m not sure with all the bottom 6 depth coming up that he will even have a spot on the team in a year, maybe even this year.

      • Hax

        Doubtful and certainly not a priority even though I’m a fan of him. Cheap, does his job, good teammate, can play with anyone etc, etc.

        Though if Erik’s agent asked for 4 years at $1.5M with no clauses then I’m sure Murray/Dorion/Lee would make it official. Easy contract to trade if we wanted to, easy to keep if we need him.

        • Sensnation

          It will be interesting for sure. I tend to agree it should be an easy contract to trade, but there’s been rumors of him on the block throughout this past year, so we can only hope it’s because Murray values him over the return offered and not that there’s no market for him.

        • Rafi Bomb

          They are trying to trade him. There is no chance that they are going to sign him to an extension.

  • 011111111110101010110000101011

    22 players chase a ball for 90 minutes and then GERMANY WINS

    • Pasky

      Halftime if this keeps up. I think the country might file a class action lawsuit against Germany for Rape.

  • Hax

    Clarke MacArthur and his wife spotted at Costco.

    In town to sign his long-term extension? Just hear to catch Smackdown? Visiting Turris for some cheesecake?

    Let the rumors fly!

    • MisterUtterbag

      He bought a volkswagen .

      Sign clarkey sign

    • WaitingSince92

      That’s all just hearsay and speculation… which are KINDS of evidence.

      It’s official then – long term extension, then some cheesecake.

      • Hax

        “That’s why you’re the judge and I’m the law … talking … guy.”

        RIP Phil Hartman

    • Sandy

      Looking at twitter it appears he is in a golf tournament for the QCH next week. But he is in town a little early for that. A contract extension maybe?

    • Zelle

      Damn how come I never see them… I saw a guy at Bluesfest that looked so much like Methot I got super excited until I realized it wasn’t him. :(

  • jimmyjohnson

    Brett Hart looks like Kill Bill now.

  • Phil.

    Apparently MacCarthur is in town to sign a long term extension. The contract includes a cheesecake clause or something. Not sure where I read that….

    • Keregan

      i thought than in ott it was a beaver tail clause :)

  • Sensnation

    Trade, dump or extend:

    Bobby Ryan
    Clarke MacArthur
    Marc Methot
    Craig Anderson
    Erik Condra

    Interested in people’s order of importance and choices for each. I’d extend the first 3 in order, trade the last 2, dump none.

    • Sandy

      Top two for sure. They have both said they like Ottawa. But the biggest issue is the owner committing the $$ for the 2015/16 season to extend the contracts of at least 5 or 6 of the expiring RFAs and UFAs contracts.
      A commitment to win is what these players want. Mr. Melnyk has to put his $$ where his mouth is to put up to 10M more to sign these contracts. Question is, will he?

    • zippy

      Keep Keep Keep Trade (If Lehner is ready for #1), Keep. Trade Greening.

      The only hard part is you would get more for Anderson at the deadline.

    • Jakester

      Now that our divisive element is gone, I agree with you 100 percent on this one, sign Ryan,Methot,and MacArthur. Trade Anderson, maybe even this summer, sign a cheap but experienced backup for less, and make that trade for another Top 6(Q4Q). Condra you can trade in a package, or sorry to say just release and hope he gets some interest.

    • Cicero

      Extend x 5

      First two need no comment — most would agree.

      Methot is the one steady LH D I would hope we don’t trade.

      Lehner flops or is injured, then we go a stretch of games with Hammond? We’re supposed to be better than Bingo, right?

      Condra: Along with Smith, a steady force on the PK. We can’t afford to lose any RW now (RW prospect pool is light), although once Lazar cracks the line-up, Condra may well be pushed out.

      *Keeping in mind the price tag of extensions, this won’t preclude the possiblity of sign and flip in a later multiplayer trade.

    • runningbear1974

      Bobby Ryan is the most important… If he doesn’t sign, we’re starting a 3rd rebuild in a row… (I expect him to get paid in the range of other superstars)

      I then place Methot as the next most important… For him, depends exactly how much he wants… And… Does he have a commitment to winning? I would ask that right to his face (If i was the coach or/and GM)… If committed to winning, and signs a reasonable contract (what if he asks for 5.5 million?), then he could be an extremely important part of the team…

      I then think MacArthur… I love this guy… Hustles really hard… Again, depends where he prices himself (if 5.5 million, then what?)… But, if reasonable price, he’s a great asset to this team… If he asks for too much money, Hoffman, or Prince, or a UFA might be able to fulfill his role..

      Anderson… I would sign to 3 year extension for 3 million… He might not accept… But, if he does he would be a good partner for Lehner… I think it takes many years for a goalie to stabilize in the NHL… I’m not opposed to trading Anderson if you can get something good but, we NEED a 2nd goalie… So pay Anderson, or some other guy…

      I like Condra… I trust him on a 5 on 3… I would want him to be an extra on the team… But, we don’t need him… I would keep signing him to 1 year extensions…

    • Spoons

      Bobby Ryan – Extend
      Clarke MacArthur -Extend
      Marc Methot – Extend
      Craig Anderson – Trade
      Lyndon Slewidge – Extend
      Erik Condra – Tough one. I loved him 2 years ago, but wanted to buy him out last year. Every team needs that defensive specialist, he could be ours.

      • runningbear1974

        I agree with you about Condra… Last year was bad one for him… But, he did cross check Subban in the head 2 years ago, and that was pretty good… But, i guess, i also wanted to keep Carkner because of what he did with Boyle…

      • Sensnation

        Slewidge for the win! haha love it!

    • sens_bud

      Ill start by saying I think its very important to sign the first 3 for the team to be competitive now. If Ryan isnt going to resign, then I would trade both him and Methot for young guns/prospects/picks. I realize it would again set this team back in terms of competing now, but the assets we would get back for those two would really put this team in a full blown rebuild, in a year that is ripe for prospect pickins. We already have a first and two seconds. Add to that another first and second, which we could potentially get for the Methot and Ryan deals and who knows how great this team could get, I’m thinking future day dynasty. Downside we would potentially have a really tough year record wise, but putting us in prime draft position.

      With 5 picks in the first two rounds of a incredibly deep draft, especially if our own picks were top 5 in each round, we could have a wealth of names to watch rise into stardom for years to come.

      With an already young core of King Karl, Turris, Zibby, Lehner, Ceci, Lazar, Chiassion, Peumpel, Cowen ect ect, the years to watch for is 2-5 years when these guys hit their prime. Even if only 2 out of the 5 picks from this hypothetical rebuild are strong contributors then I think we would have a scary core that we could add a couple necessary pieces to and have a good shot at bringing a cup to Ottawa.

      Not saying I think this is the best option or the one I would necessarily go with. But its summer, arm chair thoughts running wild and if Ryan isn’t going to resign then lets go bold and throw as many hooks into this years prospect pool as possible while keeping our younger core in tact.

    • A-Train

      Ryan – extend
      Methot – extend
      MacArthur – extend, but only after a long sample this season.
      Anderson – trade now if part of a package that brings us a forward and a veteran back-up in return. trade at the deadline if Lehner grabs the top job this season.
      Condra – depends. good at his current price. won’t fetch much in a trade. dump if he requires any kind of significant raise.

      • Sandy

        To sign the players that need contracts at the end of next season is going to take about 8M more in the budget to do that. That’s not all 10 that are up for contracts but probably 7 or so. The issue is, those expiring contracts are some of the key players in the lineup. Should be interesting to see what happens.

  • Andrews theory

    Just in case there is any remaining doubt that star players question Melnyks motivation

    Spezza on what is making the Dallas organization a destination for players

    “I think the opportunity to compete. I think it’s paramount to be in an organization that’s committed to winning. I think that word gets around the league fast that when a team has made a decision to try to be a team that tries to compete every year and win. This city and they’ve had success in the past and the fans have been great in the past and kind of the total package makes it a desirable place to be. So for me, I’m very fortunate to come to a sports city like this that’s passionate about the game, but also with an ownership group and with Mr. Nill that are committed to trying to win. And as a player, that’s all you want, is that opportunity to give yourself a chance to win.”

    • spezzerman

      Every player says this at intro pressers. Every single one. and you assume he is taking a shot at Melnyk by making the cliche comments at an introductory presser? is he also saying that Ottawa isnt a sports city and the fans arent passionate?

      • runningbear1974

        It does really feel like Spezza is taking a jab at Sens or/and Melnyk… It does feel that way… I could be wrong… But… It feels that way…

    • Sensnation

      Dallas was not committed to winning for a long time up until the last year or two. This just changed for them. I’m not saying there’s no chance he’s taking a shot at Melnyk, but Dallas was/is a fanbase that needed reassurance the new management in place was in it to win it.

  • Andrews theory

    And this

    Steve Warne™ @TSNSteve
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    Spezza also stressed DAL ownership is committed to winning. Kind of ironic that Spezza wasn’t happy with the compete level of Sens ownership
    9:22 PM – 7 Jul 2014

    • runningbear1974

      Ironic… Spezza questioning anybody’s “compete” level… When, throughout his career, many fans have questioned Spezza’s “compete” level…
      “It’s not my compete level that’s the problem, it’s yours”… “If you competed more financially, i wouldn’t have to compete as hard on the ice”….

      • SensChirp

        “Questioning his compete level however, is a tad fucking rich however.

        Nothing like criticizing the compete level of the same player who rushed back and played for the Senators in the 2013 playoffs instead of just mailing it in and looking out for his own self-interests. Playing at the risk of further injury, instead of taking the rest of the season and offseason to recuperate from another operation on his already surgically repaired back reeks of a guy who just isn’t competitive.”

        http://the6thsens.com/2014-articles/spezza-speaks-praises-stars-ownership.html

        • runningbear1974

          Compete is such a controversial word… Really though… Is there anyone in the NHL that doesn’t compete? Every single player competes… That’s one definition of COMPETE…

          There’s another definition of COMPETE that describes certain hockey behaviours such as:
          1) blocking shots
          2) beating people up
          3) hitting people
          4) skating really hard on defence
          5) skating INTO a scrum, and coming away with the puck

          Although, every single player COMPETES, some players are more known for the behaviours i just listed, which i also think is considered COMPETING…

        • Jakester

          Don’t think Alfie was happy he rushed back in 2013.

          • CUP 2014-15

            I don’t blame JS for that. He did a great job of stopping the best player in the world from getting to the front with 4 min. left in the third. Where the hell was the winger covering the point? did you see where he was when the puck went in? he was right where he was suppose to be.

      • A-Train

        Can we stop talking about Spezza soon?

        • runningbear1974

          Depends… Do we have to talk about how cheap Melnyk is? That’s kind of boring too…

      • spezzerman

        those fans are wrong.

        its too bad either side needs to find a villian in a very common situation whereby a 30+ player decides to move on from an up and coming team and management understands and accommodates

        • runningbear1974

          It was a passive-aggressive move for Spezza to take a jab at ownership… I’m calling him on it… Also, a real leader, a winning leader is Assertive… (listen to Lazar, he’s got something special)

      • Sandy

        Doesn’t matter what you think about Spezza’s compete level.. What he referred to about an OWNER committed to winning is absolutely true.
        We know Murray wants to win the Cup he never has won. How in the hell can he do that when the Sens owner is only committed to making as much money as he can off the team as that’s, IMO, his only source of income.

        You don’t win a Cup spending about 10-14M less than teams that are competitive in the playoffs.
        The Sens are not a Cup contender yet, but do we even know if they will ever be there again, if the Owner doesn’t spend to keep the Sens best players.

        • runningbear1974

          Many fans are “committed” to the focus on spending… The fans want more spending… The fans are shallow in their demands, and therefore almost deserve as much…

          I’m not sure how to say this… “It’s not the destination, it’s the journey”… “The Means justifies the End”… or do you believe “The Ends justifies the Means”? There’s tons of these kinds of sayings… If you focus on the wrong thing, you miss out on what really matters… Focus on the process, and the product will come… I don’t know exactly how to explain this… But, there’s some wisdom there…

          We should be enjoying what is being created… We’ve never had this quality of players before, with this quality of character…

          I believe, we needed Spezza to leave to make the next step… We were held back as a team because of our old leadership core… Now, it’s a whole new group… Methot will be a force… So, will Ryan, and MacArthur… And Turris… We have a bunch of good prospects working their way up… We’re making small good moves with UFAs…

          This is especially good times for me, and other like minded hockey fans… Too bad you don’t see all the good stuff… Too bad you focus on the money… (Which by the way, if there was any time to save money, it’s now… Spending extra money right now could actually hurt our development…)

          • CUP 2014-15

            bang on

      • WaitingSince92

        I can’t… seem to… ‘thumbs-down’ this… comment…

        Times like these I wish it still tallied.

        • Pasky

          It’s still there, just hidden to the public. Apparently people on the internet get their feelings hurt when they see a negative next to their comment. If you can’t handle criticism then you should move to Dallas…. I mean turn off your internet :)

          • Jakester

            Haha move to Dallas, love it!

      • Disqus Downvote

        Disqus Downvoted!

      • Jakester

        Alanis Morrisette should write a new Ironic song for the ole Spezz!

    • Sensturion

      And so begins the media attacks on Spezza. Am I disappointed he left? Of course. Did he have the right to ask for a trade from a team he doesn’t think has the money/ability to win a championship anytime soon? I think so. He did it with class and said nothing wrong about the franchise. Leave him be.

      • Sandy

        I thought that tweet was more an attack on the Owner and not Spezza. That’s how I take it.
        You can’t tell me the Melnyk is committed to winning anything.

        • Mat

          Pharmaceutical company: loss
          OHL Franchise: loss
          Marriage: loss
          Horse breeding: loss
          Ottawa Senators: impending loss

          For everything else, there’s Mastercard…

          • Jakester

            Melnyk and Spezza mirror images of never winning dick!

        • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

          It addresses both aspects

        • Avery

          Nah, that was definitely an attack on Spezza. Warne constantly had a bug up his ass about Spezza’s “compete level.” His next target appears to be Karlsson.

      • runningbear1974

        1) I agree Spezza has done us a huge favour by letting us know he didn’t intend to re-sign with us… We owe him tons of respect for this…
        2) However, he did just give a little jab to the franchise by making this statement… So, i’m jabbing him right back…

        • FistsofNeil25

          How did he take a jab at the Senators organization? He’s excited to play for a team that is committed to winning a championship right now. Ottawa isn’t committed to the same thing at this moment in time. We’re still rebuilding and operating on a budget.

          There was nothing wrong with his comments. It made sense for both the Sens and Spezza to move on. Spezza got to go to an organization that has a “win now” mentality and the Sens got some young assets in return to help with the rebuild.

          It was a win/win situation for both Ottawa and Spezza. He didn’t take any jab at the Sens organization. Spezz is pure class. Let’s just move on.

      • Jakester

        He did the franchise a favor by leaving, let’s forget about him now, good point dude!

    • LeafsSux

      Who is Spezza?

    • Sensnation

      Dallas ownership just RECENTLY became committed to winning!

      This is new for their fans and they still need to be reassured of that by the moves and players being brought in. It’s great for them, but we can’t take every support of Dallas ownership as a slight at Ottawa ownership.

  • Cicero

    TL;DR: We still need a proven top 6 FWD, arguably more than we need a top 4 D. We don’t have a proven NHL third line. Not news to regular readers. I started writing notes and it blew up. Sorry.

    Watched all the Dev Camp videos this morning, and there’s no way Stone is going anywhere. These edited videos really trump-up Stone, Puempel, Lazar, and Claesson, which of course could mean nothing, but could also mean they’re being showcased to Ottawa fans as four favourites to crack the line-up this year. (Wouldn’t it be gratuitous and even insulting to Sens fans to use these videos to promote them as trade bait to other teams?). Of course, Stone is already in it seems.

    Top 4 lines shape up as

    1. MacArthur-Turris-Ryan
    2. Michalek-Legwand-Chaisson
    3. Hoffman-Zibanejad-[Stone or Lazar]
    4. Greening-Smith-Neil
    /Condra

    The third line is the primary problem with our current roster. Moving Zibby up to 2C doesn’t exactly fix it.

    Roster challengers this coming season:

    LW Hoffman
    LW Puempel

    C Pageau
    C/RW Lazar
    C Grant
    C Prince

    RW – no one [besides Lazar] at this time jumps off the prospect roster to make this list for the coming season

    So back the third line problem. Lazar and Stone are not proven NHL players, although Stone has demonstrated that he has earned the chance to become one. Lazar may be “NHL-ready” and if he is relied on to shore-up the third line problem, then he’d better be.

    Hoffman hasn’t proven NHL ready, but like Stone, but not as strongly as Stone, has earned the opportunity. Yes, he’s a great prospect, one of our best. Same goes for Puempel. Hoffman has the jump on Puempel from promising performances during call-ups last season. We might see a lot of Greening on the third line.

    Zibanejad is a proven NHL centre, and arguably has earned a shot at 2C.

    So we need a top 6 LW to flank our 3C (either Zibby or Legwand), seeing that we’re likely going to fare well with either Stone or Lazar at RW.

    On Defense we have:

    Left side D – A Logjam

    ROSTER:
    Methot
    Phillips [7th D?]
    Wiercioch [moving out?]
    Cowen [moving? I hope he's doing some serious conditioning/skating work this summer]

    IN DEV:
    Borowiecki [moving up, likely]
    Claesson [moving up, possibly]
    Wikstrand [moving out?]

    Right side D – Probably the least troubled position on the roster, for now.
    Karlsson
    Gryba
    Ceci

    Goaltending
    ROSTER
    Anderson
    Lehner

    IN DEV
    Hammond [saw 35 min. with the Sens last season -- 11/11 saves and look good for a small goalie]
    Driedger [WHL grad -- will be playing as rookie in Bingo]
    Hogberg [Probably playing in Sweden again?]

    Summary:

    If we’re going to trade to acquire a top 6 FWD via multiplayer deal, the trade bait must come from the LHD (Wiercioch or Cowen, and/or prospects Borowiecki, Claesson, Wikstrand) and the C prospect pool (Pageau, Grant, Prince — but not Lazar), and possibly also the LW pool (if, for example, Puempel wins out over Hoffman for a roster spot, Hoffman could become value in a trade).

    If we’re going to trade for a top4 D, we’ll give up the same as above, but be left with the third forward line problem and fewer pieces to trade.

    In either case, there’s also picks to throw in too, but that’s a toughie for a team in continual re-build.

    • Sandy

      Wikstrand hasn’t even played a pro game in North America and you want to move him out? They are not trading Claesson either until they see what they have in him.
      The only thing I’m concerned of with this team is to sign Ryan and MacArthur. Maybe there is a trade pending. We don’t know that, it’s probably on hold until Murray is back in the office.

    • Pasky

      Some I agree with, some I don’t. I do agree that the only thing changing about the defense is a LH traded away for either a Top 6 LW or draft pick/prospect. I think right now Weircioch is the most likely as he doesn’t fit right now because of Methot, Cowen & Phillips, but if Methot has no interest in resigning before the start of the season then he might be traded at the trade deadline, and we keep Weir for now and play him on his off-hand. In this case Ceci would start in the minors as we would have 7D, but he comes up the first injury that happens.

      The other thing is that I agree that we need a Top 6 guy, preferably LW, and Greening would be the player on the move. He has a high salary for a 4th line guy, especially on a budget team. Package him with a prospect and draft pick and see what you can get.

      The other scenario would be that if Lazar proves himself at training camp and during a 9 game tryout to be a capable RW for the team, then we can shift Ryan on the left side as he has been comfortable in the past there, and try and trade Greening for maybe a 2nd or 3rd draft pick during the season. Once injuries hit some teams with cap space may take a run at him or maybe Hoffman since he’s only on a 1 year contract.

      • Jakester

        Greening will get you a fourth or fifth rounder if solely traded for a pick! I would rather trade Cowen than Wiorcioch because skating is the name of the game. We have more depth coming through the ranks on the left side D to boot. Prince deserves a serious look before we move him but I doubt he gets that chance.

    • Doc

      Too long, didn’t read? Really?

      • Mitchell

        I laughed :p

    • sprucesens

      good points. but it’ll be tough to sell a team on our tradeable assets, and actually get something valuable in return. It will have to be a Q4Q trade. We’ll see what’s coming up. If nothing else, it’ll likely be a D for a pick somewhere, to free up money for us, and give whoever, a chance to play

  • sbs138

    I wonder if it has anything to do with Murray having cancer.

  • FistsofNeil25

    I was originally against this idea, but the more I think about it, the more I believe that we should take a really hard run at acquiring Evander Kane. There are obvious concerns with with his attitude but maybe he just needs a fresh start. He would address three pretty significant needs of our team right now: goal scoring, speed, and toughness.

    • runningbear1974

      Kane Zibanejad Chiasson

      3 young strong guys…

    • Spoons

      We need a “feel good” trade after all the shit we’ve gone through as fans over the past year. The Ryan trade was a feel good trade, but was vastly overshadowed by Alfie’s departure. We just need that one “feel good” trade to get us all pumped up for the next season. Evander Kane would definitely be that one acquisition we need.

      • Deadly

        Looking to add character,not characters.

    • ProfessorPower

      Agreed.

      • FistsofNeil25

        We would probably have to make a prospect line Stone or Puempel available and maybe our 2015 first round pick. Is he worth it?

        • runningbear1974

          Not for Puemple… He’s our first real goal scorer to develop through the senators organization… I wouldn’t want to lose that…
          Stone, I like him a lot, but for Kane would be worth it…

        • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

          Yes… I have been saying this for months… He’ll over a year if you go back to when we were after Nash.

          Said back then Ryan should be our top target, and if that falls through go after Kane… If Murray gets both he is a God in this league

        • ProfessorPower

          It’s tough, sometimes its better to stick with what you have and see what happens. For example Stone could be a 25-30 goal guy for us down the road and is also a good character guy..personally I don’t think it’s worth giving him up.

    • Shibal

      I don’t think he needs a fresh start – he is the problem himself. His attitude problems go all the way back to juniors, which is why he was drafted a bit later than he really should have been drafted.

      • FistsofNeil25

        He was drafted 4th overall behind Tavares, Hedman and Duchene. Was he supposed to go higher than that?

        • Shibal

          My mistake. However when he was drafted they did mention that he was a hard guy to coach – supposedly he had hard a time with his team canada coach in the under 17 world junior championships. Also he had problems with his KHL coach during the lockout.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Yeah he does seem like a bit of a head case but if he grows up then he would become one hell of an asset. He has such an impressive skill set. There aren’t many players with his game breaking speed that can score 30+ goals and throw 150-200 hits in a season. He can also throw down with the best of them. He’s a scrapper.

          • Sensnation

            Agreed. Buy the upside and roll the dice!

          • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

            I also think you put him somewhere he wants to be with better teammates around him 40-45 isn’t out of the question.. Could he top Heatley total?!?

            My gawd do I want his name out of our record books

        • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

          HAHAHAHAHA

    • AutoTurris

      Would be stoked to have an additional guy with talent on board, but I think E Kane is stretching the internal budget too thin

      • sprucesens

        not if we trade greening or smith to chicago. they probably want to send more salary our way though. could be seperate trades that make it happen

    • WaitingSince92

      Forget all the attitude stuff, even the budget; who are you going to give up to get him? Who is the centerpiece to the deal? They’re going to want someone of Lazar or Zibanejad’s caliber, probably our first round pick from next year and a prospect.

      • sprucesens

        why? prices have fallen fairly drastically. Prince, dallas 2nd, and a roster player. But it won’t be one of our top roster players. At most stone, opening a spot for lazar on RW.

        • FistsofNeil25

          There’s a difference between the value of a guy like Kane compared to Spezza and Kesler. Spezza and Kesler were older with their best years behind them. Spezza had one year left on his contract.

          Kane is 22 and has sky high potential. He’s also locked up to a nice contract for the next four years.

          • ProfessorPower

            Maybe we could give them a more ‘ready now’ version of the Spezza trade: Chiasson + Wiercioch + Condra/Greening + 2nd for Kane + 4th.

        • WaitingSince92

          not for him. Signed to decent term with a small cap hit. Fast. Scores. Fights. Potential franchise player, 1st line talent. Young and good but still with his prime ahead of him.

          They’re gonna have so many suitors, you don’t think they can get a package where the best piece is better than Stone (no offence to him, I think he could be a really good player)?!?

        • WaitingSince92

          If other GMs were told that “Prince, Dallas’ 2nd and a roster player” was the high bid for Kane, 29 of them would instantly be phoning Cheveldayoff.

          • sprucesens

            that’s what we thought with spezza, who has proven much more at the nhl level. The flip side is spezza is older, while kane has ego issues. Not many teams can fit 5 million into their roster while giving up relatively good players. If that roster player is a guy like wiercioch, its probably close to a done deal. In fact, i would almost suspect murray hold’s back. Having said that, there are a few other teams that might be willing to add a player like kane while giving up even more. But there are some that will look at this type of deal, and remember how NY fared with Nash.

      • FistsofNeil25

        Yeah the asking price would be very steep. I think something like Smith+Stone/Puempel+2015 first rounder could get it done.

        • WaitingSince92

          See, I don’t think that’s plausible. They would want something more bluechip than stone or puemple as the centrepiece.

          • FistsofNeil25

            You’re probably right but there are definitely some red flags around him that could lower his value. If we still had Spezza then I would be all for trading Zibanejad in a deal for Kane but now a move like that would leave us with a pretty big hole at center.

          • Sandy

            I wouldn’t do that.

          • Sensnation

            Puempel must be pretty close to bluechip, no? 1st round pick, said to have the best shot in his draft. Scored 30 goals plus every year of junior and so far his first in the A.

    • WaitingSince92

      Also the problem of sooo many other teams interested in him. If you don’t have room under the cap/in the budget, you make it $ for $. I kid you not, you can find his name appearing all over blog sites just like this one; probably at minimum 20 of 30 teams.

    • Sensnation

      Remember when Turris was said to have “problems”? Not saying they are the same person, but everyone deserves a fresh start.

      • FistsofNeil25

        Different kind of problems I think.

        I really wonder what it would cost us. What’s the most you would feel comfortable trading for the guy?

        • Sensnation

          Honestly Stone, Prince and anyone below them on the pecking order as well as Wiercioch, would all be game for me. Puemple would be hard to include in the package, same with Zibanejad or Cowen.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Yeah I think with Enstrom, Byfuglien, Bogosian, Trouba, Stuart, Clitsome and Morrissey in the wings, they wouldn’t have much use for Cowen or Wiercioch.

            I would be fine with packaging any assets together from the Sens with the exception of Turris, Zibanejad, Lazar, Lehner, Karlsson and Ceci.

            I don’t know if I’m in the minority here or what but I actually think Stone is going to be a better player than Puempel.

            I’d do Greening + Chiasson + Puempel for Kane

            MacArthur – Turris – Ryan
            Kane – Zibanejad – Stone
            Michalek – Legwand – Lazar
            Hoffman – Smith – Neil
            Condra

          • Sensnation

            I’d put Ryan and Cowen in that group personally. How about if Ryan won’t re-sign, trade them for each other?

            Puempel has the chance at being the better goal scorer, but as long as Stone can keep skating well he has the better play making skills imo. I think the fact Stone has already shown he can do some at the NHL level puts him ahead because you know he’s an NHL player of some capacity. Puempel may still seem more hit or miss because he hasn’t had the chance yet.

            I don’t think Chiasson is going anywhere for now. He’s the only piece fans have to hold onto during the season from the Spezza trade. He’s also the type of player Murray has always coveted.

          • FistsofNeil25

            It’s a tough call either way. We’ll have to give to receive

            I think people would easily forget about Chiasson though. Kane is far more talented and is actually a lot more physical as well.

          • sprucesens

            i like kane, but that’s too much. Puempel could turn out to be the same as kane without the “attitude” problems.

        • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

          Xgo for big buf too

          Kane
          Bufuglien

          For

          Stone
          Wiercioch
          Greening
          2015 1st
          2015 2nd (ours or Dallas don’t care)

          • FistsofNeil25

            1) Budget

            2) I think that package is only enough to get Kane lol

          • Sensnation

            I think I’d have more problem giving up our 1st this coming year than most prospects or players.

          • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

            Haha I’d be fine with that too if you want Bufuglien too maybe add Prince and another small piece.

            You add those two pieces to our lineup and we compete for first in the east

          • sprucesens

            personally i don’t want byfuglien. Yes he’s huge and can play 2 positions, but there is a reason jet’s fans and blogger complain about his work ethic. If he tried every game, he’d be one of the best. But he’s slower than phillips, but can do offense slightly better than weircioch. Having said all that, i’d consider the package you posted above. I’d rather give both 2nds, rather than our 1st. Too many pieces though for that to happen. It’d be one of the jet’s forwards in a Q4Q deal. I wouldn’t be surprised if we targeted many of their players. Guys like wheeler, ladd, kane all would fit a need

          • Sensnation

            Two problem childs for the price of 1 lol. Kidding aside, it would be an interesting lineup. I’d be pleasantly surprised if we find a way to land 1 of them.

        • Pasky

          I read that Winnipeg was looking for a proven Top 6 forward, prospect & first round pick. That’s a price we can’t pay but looking at recent trades nobody gets the package they want. Stone is a guarantee as he is a young player with Top 6 potential, and Greening as a salary/contract dump. Add prospect/pick to fill in the rest, and this move would also open up a spot for Lazar on the 3rd line.

          MacArthur-Turris-Ryan
          Kane-Legwand-Chiasson
          Michalek-Zibanejad-Lazar
          Hoffman-Smith-Neil/Condra

          • sprucesens

            this is probably close to the price we could afford to pay. Stone, greening for the reason’s you stated, or condra if they prefer, and a prospect like prince or pageau, or boro or claesson. Anything more than that, and we are overpaying for a guy who scored 30 goals once, and hasn’t hit 20, before, or after that season

  • sprucesens

    in terms of kane deals, i think all the young guys currently on the team are on the untouchables list. Stone would be considered available if it hugely lessened the cost of other pieces. After that, the only untouchables should be puempel and lazar.

    Stone, Pageau, Prince for Kane?

    Keep in mind we would be dealing from a position of power. It’s no secret kane wants out, and management is at odds with him. To me this is a more than fair package to winnipeg. You can trade out pageau with a G prospect if that makes them happier.

    Kane’s goal totals are 14,19, 30, 17, 19. And you guys think it will cost zibanejad + to land him? That would be a step back for the sens. Give zib the quality wingers and ice time and he could surpass kane’s totals. Zib had a whopping 8 less points than kane this year, with 6 minutes less TOI, playing with borderline NHL’rs all year. The media paints guys to be better than they are sometimes. He’s cracked 20 goals once in his 6 years in the NHL, and we should throw our best players from our rebuild at him???

    Its one piece to take his place on the roster -Stone
    Two pieces that could both pan out to be just as good, or could flop – Pageau, Prince

    Any more than that, and we are taking steps backwards. Because we are near the end of our rebuild, in terms of having room for young players, we have basically picked the best of the bunch to fill needs, and are willing to part with a few that might not have a shot here. Something murray has said often, knowing they will be good players, but we don’t have room.

    • ProfessorPower

      Stone is better than Puempel, personally I would move Chiasson before Stone or Lazar. Giving up any of the 4 for Kane would make me very hesitant, but I understand they would likely be asking for one unless they saw Wiercioch as the main piece, adding Prince to him instead.

      • Pasky

        Stone might be better than Puemple right now, but in the future I don’t think so. Puemple has scored 30 goals in every league he’s ever played in, including his rookie season in the AHL. He won’t be on this team to start but don’t be surprised to see him called up once we get hit with an injury.

        • ProfessorPower

          Stone has got more points than Puempel in every league he has played in and has always been a standout in big games. By far the more complete player now and throughout his career. Puempel is a 21 year old pure goal scoring left wing, Kane is a pure goal scoring left wing at 22. Stones passing is ten times that of Puempel, as well he is ready to play now. Makes more sense to lose Puempel for Kane than Stone imo.

  • sprucesens

    I also want everyone to think about this for a minute when pandering these huge deals for kane, how we should throw puempel, 1st, prince , 1st born for this guy. Personally i love the guy’s game and want him on the team just as much as a lot of you. But the price has to be right. Including a 1st, or puempel is a HUGE mistake. How many of you hate michalek, but love kane? Yes kane has more upside, and plays with more grit and so on. But consider this

    Milan Michalek has Nearly identical stats to Kane, and 95% of you would be more than happy if he had left town. At least most have at one time or another wanted him gone. Many of you bitched about him resigning for 4 million. Yes, kane plays a bit harder of a game, and is younger with more room to grow. But really, there is no reason to break up our rebuild for him. Those point totals are very easily attainable by some of our top prospects, that most of you dismiss as worthless. Kane might be the “sexy winger” on the block right now, but we already have too high of expectations on him. Personally i’d love him on the team, but not at the cost that some of you are more than willing to offer up. Hopefully this gives some perspective

    Michalek | Kane
    |
    G/A-PTS | G/A-PTS
    |
    22/12-34 | 14/12-26
    |
    18/15-33 | 19/24-43
    |
    35/25-60 | 30/27-57
    |
    17/22-39 | 19/22-41

    lol, i did my best at a table, but its no chirp table

    • sprucesens

      note, each set of stats is for the same year. I also left out the lockout year, during which Kane played double the games, with double the points of michalek(more goals though)

      • sprucesens

        i think we need to get over the fact that kane scored 30 once. Every other year he’s been below 20. We don’t refer to michalek as a 30 goal scorer anymore, nor do we think we’d get a huge haul if we traded him. This hopefully enlightens and maybe makes a few of you who think we would be trading zib+1st and so on to get kane, think that maybe that’s an overpayment, for a player who has problems, and has made no effort to remain in winnipeg. Even as lately as today. TSN has 2 video’s up of kane saying that he’s a jet for now, and he’ll see how that goes. If zib+1st+ was offered, chevy would have it done already, and he would be laughing at how he just made our organization look foolish

    • cups

      that’s nuts. I never broke it down like that… I love milo, and Kane would be cool but I still would consider him a project because of the rumours surrounding him. I don’t think anybody same would wager the farm for him, but if we could get him for pieces that are meant to pay off in 3yrs or more, I would think we can keep most of our core. I mean there’s only 12 spots right? names like stone, puempel, and lazar I’m hesitant to part ways with, but if he takes puempels place on LW, it’s a fast-forward move. it’d be nice to have Kane, but I’m torn because he could ultimately be a bust in the long term.

    • ProfessorPower

      This is more so proof that player stats don’t give anybody a full understanding of a players potential and playing style. But I 100% agree on the price to acquire him..it HAS to make sense for us and we have to be smart about what we are giving up. Good post.

    • s3nsfan

      Not to mention 4 more years at 6 per. Considering he’s never reached 60 pts, that’s a lofty contract. 2 years for Michalek at 4 per I like that better.

    • FistsofNeil25

      The head to head point comparison between the two players doesn’t really mean a whole lot. Kane put up those stats in the first 5 years of his career as he was developing in to an NHL player while playing with guys like Nik Antorpov, Olli Jokinen, Kyle Wellwood and Bryan Little. Michalek put up those stats in the prime years of his career playing with Jason Spezza every single night.

  • WaitingSince92

    Just love Kane trade proposals where people say they’d rather give up Prince instead of Lazar, or a 2016 first instead of a 2015, or a 2015 2nd instead of a first, or Greening instead of a blue chip prospect. I’m sure you would, I’m sure you would. Unfortunately, Greening/Prince/2nd or any similar offer would be matched, then bested by at least 20 teams, not to mention completely ignored by cheveldayoff.

    I thought (naively) we were done with, “Let’s trade 4 pieces with little value for an elite forward”

    Guess not.

    • Hax

      We’ll never be done with that thinking. At heart, we’re all still that kid trying to trade his box of Sunmaid raisins and celery sticks for a couple of Chips-Ahoy.

      • Mat

        Does the celery sticks come with Cheese Whiz or peanut butter?

    • Pugnacious Serf

      Tired of it myself, Kane is a egotistical talent that hasn’t proved anything. He will hit but he takes bad penalties and is injury prone. I’d rather see Ottawa get another season to evaluate the current roster of talent versus “going for the cup” and trading out a number of unproven young bodies for an enigma of a player. Or maybe the fair weather Ottawa fans are lining up the next player to bitch and complain about?

    • Pasky

      Spezza trade was exactly this though. I think Greening/Stone/Prince/2nd might be enough depending on how desperate they really are to get rid of him. I’m not sure I want to get rid of Stone though as he’s battled with himself to improve enough on his skating to become an NHL player. You don’t trade away players like that before they reach their potential.

  • Deadly

    Now there are 3 sides to this trade.
    We have to give too much to get him.
    People who want him for nothing.
    He would not be a good fit in the dressing room despite his skills that have mirrored Michalek.

    • Hax

      I don’t think it’s the right time for a player like Kane. By all accounts, our locker room is still finding it’s identity. Need a new captain this season and need the new leadership core to get some time to gel. Plus we’re nowhere near contending (yet). Better to wait or go after someone that’s either a short-term addition who’s known to be a good guy in the room or (if possible) another Ryan type of deal.

      I’d look at a guy like Kane again in 2 years or so when hopefully our locker room is solid and led by guys like Turris, Karlsson, Ryan, Methot etc and we can easily take on someone who at best is an outsider without worry of him causing problems. Plus we should hopefully be in a position to add a piece or two to try and contend.

      • A-Train

        Yeah, I think the team needs to be smart when looking at what’s going on with Evander Kane.

        Realistically it will take something they don’t want to give up to get him.

        And the “troubles” he’s having in Winnipeg will most likely be the same in Ottawa. Without fully knowing what’s going on there I’d still say a bigger market is a better fit.

        • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

          Was mentioned earlier… Turris had issues too… Look how that turned out.

          Possibly Murray’s top trade as GM.

          • Pugnacious Serf

            Turris’s issues were playing time, meaning, he wanted to compete, Kane gets 20 minutes of ice a night and looks bored out there, not to mention that little selfie of himself fanning the Benjiman’s in Vegas. What a noob.

          • A-Train

            It’s possible. But Turris’ issues were more within the organization, having to do with playing time, the way he was used, getting along with the coach.

            From what I gather Kane’s troubles have to do with getting into minor shenanigans around Winnipeg, sparring with local reporters and generally making a scene.

            The Turris-type problem can be solved by a new organization who views him differently.

            The Kane-type problem seems more to do with playing in a fishbowl market where you are one of the most famous and visible people in town.

            This is all highly speculative of course…

          • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

            Fair enough

            II guess I’m just not as concerned with that aspect of their lives… I still liked emery and was upset with the way he was vilified as well.

            The kids young… He has a shit load of cash, he is having fun with it… Good for him. I’ve never agreed that these guys need to be model citizens and role models for everyone, that is not what most of them got into sports for. A lot of them have attitude and have always had something a little different with them…. That is exactly what allowed then to become as good as they are. Evander Kane never went to Winnipeg and said “I’m going to show all you kids how you should live.. Model yourselves after me and you will be great”

            Guess I’ve never been a fan or agreed with the logic that just because you have a certain job or status that you have to be a role model for everyone else in the world. There are far better role models that young people should be emulating that actual have that as part of their motivators for doing what they do

          • A-Train

            In an ideal world, yes. Look at soccer and the freakiness those guys get into away from the pitch. Personally, I like a little crazy in the mix.

            But different markets react differently to that kind of stuff. I’ve said it before but look at Patrick Kane and the off-season, off-ice stuff he got into for a few years there. Think anyone in Chicago cares about that stuff? No, they like the showtime and the Cup-winning goals.

            Ottawa and Winnipeg, though. Different story altogether…

          • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

            Yeah… This city is balls haha

          • MethotToMyMadness

            I think you are spot on, it’s exactly what I was about to write in a new thread. You can use Turris as a prime example of being able to get a player from a team for way under value, due to how he is perceived by the organization, but the cause of those views are totally different in this case.

  • dazillion

    Just stop with the talk of trading our 2015 first. We are going to be a lottery pick in a draft people have been excited about for years. Next year’s pick WILL be a franchise-type player.

    Nothing this year is worth trading that pick or any of our highest-end prospects/young players.

    Best case scenario is trade Ryan to somebody like Nash who may also fall in the draft rankngs for their 2015 1st+.

    • WaitingSince92

      Seriously doubt we’re a lottery team next year. More likely a bubble team or a team in no-man’s land (ie no playoffs, no lottery)

      • Hax

        Agreed – but we’re still not moving our 2015 first unless we acquire someone else’s.

        • WaitingSince92

          Then we agree to agree.

          • Hax

            Is that even allowed on this site? LOL

          • WaitingSince92

            Let’s say you think it’s allowed and I don’t, then argue we’ll about it.

          • Hax

            No you moron I’m saying it’s not allowed. *shaking my head*

          • Frankie Fives

            You guys are both wrong

    • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

      Ok there… Pitts comes calling offering Malkin for a deal centred around our first… You slam the phone.

      Brilliant

  • A-Train

    If we’re going to throw around Kane deals, I guess we need to remember the “money out” side of the equation. So: Anderson, Methot, Cowen, Greening etc… Someone making some salary needs to go back.

    • Pugnacious Serf

      And its going to be at least next years first plus one of the first three names you mentioned. Funny how many fans have run down Greening yet think the Jets should accept him as a relevant trade piece.

  • Tooks

    We are not gong to land E. Kane, lol. Crappy offers of Greening and Stone wont get it done. WIN wants a proven top 6, well we only have Turris, CMac and Ryan…

    • Avery

      I agree, but what Winnipeg wants, and what they actually get may be very different things. See: Spezza.

      • WaitingSince92

        Kane is not equal to Spezza or Kesler. Still has most of his career ahead of him, including his prime, and is doesn’t have a lengthy injury history. He’s also signed to good term for good $.

        At this point, the similarities seem few and far between. You have no business making that comparison.

        • Avery

          Oh okay. Well by all means, give up the farm for him then.

          • WaitingSince92

            Not what I’m saying either. What I AM saying is that it’s gonna take a REAL 3 piece package to land Kane, not a “we’ll take the best offer” kind of package.

          • WaitingSince92

            I’m not willing to part with one of our few bonafide top 6 players for Kane, which is what it boils down to because that’s part of the price.

          • spezzerman

            yeah exactly, all 29 teams would be in on him, not 2 or 3

        • Pugnacious Serf

          Well if he can’t pull his head together, he won’t hit his prime. Spezza and Kesler are/were proven entities, Kane is still unproven and wouldn’t bring any better return then Kesler or Spezza.

          • s3nsfan

            I wouldn’t say wouldn’t in todays nhl, i would say shouldn’t lol.
            Considering January 2013 lockout ended. July 1 2014 1/2 Billion dollars spent on contracts by 27 teams. Nonsensical decisions are frequent in todays NHl

        • sprucesens

          I could be wrong, but kane has a decent amount of injury history. Missed 20 or so games per season, aside from the lockout, if I’m not mistaken, which I very well could be

    • Mat

      Top 6 F or top 4 D. I think a package of Wiercioch, Stone, Prince and 2015 2nd could definitely be starting point for discussion. But would I want to see these players go for Kane is another question..

    • MethotToMyMadness

      So Winnipeg just wants a 1 for 1 top 6 trade, money in, money out? It won’t happen, not when Teams are already aware of the situation brewing in Winnipeg, between Kane and Management. If they really want to move him, which it sounds like they do, they’ll be in the hot seat, much like the Sens ended up with Spezza. Once people catch wind, the value diminishes greatly.

      • Tooks

        IF Kane moves, WIN will get about the same as Kesler, which was pretty decent for Vancouver. A top 6, a 1st and a prospect. We got what we got for Spezza cuz of his injury history and his age, both went against him.

        • ProfessorPower

          Vancouver did not get ANY top prospects from the Ducks. Bonino was expendable, didn’t touch DSP Etem Rackell Vatenen Theodore..ect

    • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

      So he is worth the total opposite of any previous deal this season because…. Oh you say he is?

      Come on man, previous deals have a tonne to do with what type of return they would get for him. If anything they won’t be expecting a lot but they will be thinking “Ok… If that’s the current market, sorry evander you are under contract we will have to wait until the market is more in our favour”

      • Tooks

        EXACTLY…”WE ARE NOT GOING TO LAND E. KANE” With a crappy offer… Sorry Caps, or not…?

    • sprucesens

      they said nothing about proven. they said top 6 forward in his prime or just coming of age. IE stone. Not saying other teams won’t offer more, and I agree that we won’t be getting kane, but we do have the pieces to get it done if really wanted to.

  • AutoTurris

    I’ll say it once, I’ll say it again. Trade Gryba and Greening for picks.

    • Hax

      If Murray is considering that, it will only happen after the mystery trade (or once that is 100% dead).

      • AutoTurris

        I hope I am wrong, but I do think that this mystery trade is dead

        • WaitingSince92

          It does seem strange; usually trades like that don’t get hinted at until they’re done. To say a trade is on the cusp, then have nothing happen for days seems like a dead deal.

          • AutoTurris

            My thinking exactly. It’s been silent with not even a whisper of teams that we are speaking to. Chirp seems to think something is getting done but I think this is the roster we are working with

    • FistsofNeil25

      Why Gryba? Who’s going to play the right side if we trade him?

      • AutoTurris

        PW shoots left but prefers the right. I’d just rather retain PW and trade off Gryba than give up #46 for someone like Stewart. That’s all I meant by it really

        I mean, getting rid of #4 would be GRAND

        • FistsofNeil25

          Wiercioch does not prefer the right. He’s horrible on the right. When he played with Benoit or Gonchar, he always played the left side.

          • AutoTurris

            Maybe I am mixed up then… Not sure why I thought that, sorry, but irregardless, the crux of this stymie, for me anyway, seems to be; who would you rather keep, PW or EG? For me, there is a clear cut winner, even if we lose a RHD

          • WaitingSince92

            Irregardless? Really?

          • AutoTurris

            What’s the problem with saying that?

          • WaitingSince92

            Think about it. Regardless is what you mean. Irregardless is not a word, and it’s meant to mean the same thing as it does without the ‘ir’. It smacks of Dubya. Don’t worry though, I’m just being a dick about grammar.

          • AutoTurris

            Noted, my good man

          • FistsofNeil25

            I would rather keep Wiercioch as well but getting rid of Gryba doesn’t solve any problems. It only creates problems by not having enough players that are capable of playing the right side. What if Ceci struggles in his sophomore year and we have to send him to the minors? Then we’d be stuck with Karlsson as our only right handed d man.

            Sens management made a terrible decision to re-sign Phillips. He’s the reason our blueline is over crowded. This upcoming season should be about getting our young players as much experience as possible, and to put them each in a position to succeed.

            I know it’s unrealistic but Phillips should be the guy riding the pine this season while Wiercioch is a regular in our line up.

          • AutoTurris

            Couldn’t agree more, but I’m trying my hardest to think in a realistic sense… PW is the most likely to be moved, unfortunately

          • FistsofNeil25

            Well realistically it sure seems like Wiercioch is going to be the odd man out whether we like it or not.

          • AutoTurris

            And only by burning down the Big Rig may we find solace in this fact

          • sens_bud

            Agreed with the Phillips signing. The team is now almost forced to move a lefty on D and by the looks of it, it will be Weircioch or Cowen, and both are untapped potential as of right now. Maybe Boro gets moved, but if your looking at value he is much lower then the other two if we are looking for any kind of return.

          • WaitingSince92

            Judging by what Murray has said in the past, we’re not trading Cowen. Teams would be looking to pick him up on the cheap, but more importantly, he COULD turn into the exact type of D we need. 23 is pretty young to give up on a potential franchise D man.

          • FistsofNeil25

            I was with you all the way until those last three words. Potential franchise dman? I don’t think so.

          • WaitingSince92

            I knew that as I wrote it, but take nothing back. That’s what we thought he was when we drafted him. He looked good the first year. He has one bad (albeit atrocious) year and all of the sudden, it’s like he never even projected to be in the top 4. Sometimes I just think our collective short-term memory as fans turns us into a bunch of bullshitters.

            I’m not saying he’s Doughty, but his ceiling was and is a top pairing (#2) guy, whether he’s playing up to it or not right now (decidedly not).

          • FistsofNeil25

            I don’t recall him even having that high of a ceiling. I remember the scouts saying that he should be a very good top 4 guy.

            I wouldn’t get rid of him either but I don’t expect him to ever be a top pairing defenseman capable of playing around 25 minutes a night.

          • spezzerman

            you just have to believe Phillips won’t be played over Weircioch every night, automatically, right? right?

            Phillips and Neil need to start sitting more often to make room for more capable players if they play like they did last year

          • CUP 2014-15

            Don’t agree with keeping a Dman as soft as PW over EG on this team right now. If we had 3 other D that could play defense, kill penalties, clear the front of the net and win puck battles in the corner then I could agree but that is not the situation with this team today and until we bring in another RHD that can do so…..no thanks to keeping PW over EG. It’s great to have offensive minded D that can skate but if we are soft on the backend we will never compete with Bost, Pitt, Phil and all the others that have big strong wingers standing in the crease.

          • FistsofNeil25

            We will never compete with those teams if we don’t have enough defenseman that can break the puck out of our own end. We shouldn’t be getting rid of either Wiercioch or Gryba. They’re the ideal bottom pairing defenders and should be playing together 15 minutes a night. Gryba should be a regular on the PK and Wiercioch should be a regular on the PP. They’re both young and affordable and they each bring something to this team that we lack.

          • CUP 2014-15

            No question, I liked them together at the end of last year and if CC can continue to develop and JC can regain his game then things would be looking a ton better back there.

          • spezzerman

            did you mean should NOT be getting rid of…?

          • FistsofNeil25

            Yes I edited my comment right after to say that but it will only show up if you refresh the page.

          • spezzerman

            great, now I’m going to look like an idiot. ;)

        • CUP 2014-15

          PW does not prefer the right side and he sucks on that side. his best hockey last season was in the last 20 games when he played on the left side of……..yes, Gryba

          • sens_bud

            Maybe PM will stay true to his word this year and actually let the best players play. Crazy I know. Trade Boro or send him down – might lose him might not.

            Methot – KingKarl
            Cowen – Ceci
            PW – Gryba

            If this group could play to full potential or somewhere near it, I think they could be solid. Although they are really young and might need a few more years to solidify themselves as consistent NHL D.

          • CUP 2014-15

            This is also my favorite set up on the backend

          • WaitingSince92

            Borowiecki is on a one-way. Can’t send him down.

          • CUP 2014-15

            you can sent him down but you will be paying him his NHL salary and he would need to clear

          • Pasky

            Boro is perfect as a 7th D. He’s competent, he’s cheap to have sit in the press box, & he’s a big tough guy that can come in when you need to bruise a few bodies or to have the occasional fight to bring energy to the lineup, almost like a competent Carkner.

          • CUP 2014-15

            Agree and I like what he brings. My only concern with him is if he can turn down his engine. Too many runs at players that leave him out of position but hell that’s the way young players are. Full of piss and vinegar as they say.

          • sens_bud

            Hes certainly exciting to watch. I’d rather a D taking a run at someone and having a 50/50 chance to crush or miss then a D just plain missing without an attempt at much, except maybe trying to pivot without falling. Which seemed to happen last year.

          • CUP 2014-15

            No question and I like seeing him on the ice as well but he doesn’t need to run around. He has O.K. wheels and can force everything to the outside but if someone has their head down…boom! Our D was at its best 2 yrs ago when JC MM and EG were standing forward up at centre ice before the attack even got going. The D just seemed to be backing up all year.

          • sens_bud

            I agree, I would love to have him as the 7th D specially with this young lineup. I think he could come in, stand up for his teammates and bring an edge from our back end that we dont have. He might even get Cowen and Gryba going on a mean streak.

            But right now we have Phillips in the way.

            Unless one on the left side is traded, which may happen, he seems to be the most expendable, in terms of losing for not much.

          • CUP 2014-15

            could not agree more.

          • spezzerman

            you could risk him clearing waivers, which I think he would at the beginning of the season

          • Sandy

            With Tim Murray sitting in Buffalo and first shot at all players on waivers, do you think Boro would get past Buff without being picked up.

          • Hax

            And they have only 4 NHL D signed right now plus two guys on ELCs. So it *looks* like they have room to add an NHL D.

            Not sure if Tim likes Boro enough to grab him or not though.

          • spezzerman

            yes.

  • WaitingSince92

    Why can’t I rid myself of fascination for this forbidden trade of mystery?

  • spezzerman

    not sure I’d be too quick to include Puempel in any deals right now. He scored 30G which tied him for 6th in AHL goals in his first year pro, many of those goals coming in the later part of the season.

  • Amanuel Dawit

    i think the extension hasn’t came because their agent has other stuff to do, like negotiating contracts for their FA clients, not pending FA!

    • EK65

      Agents have to make time for all their clients. They have assistants to help out with this too. If Ryan’s extension is being talked about, the agent makes time for it.

      • Hax

        Especially when you factor in the price tag. Unless I’m mistaken,
        agencies get their commission up front and Ryan’s deal figures to be
        $30M or more.

      • Amanuel Dawit

        im sayin it could be done quickly if whoever their agent was had less UFAs

        • WaitingSince92

          I know for a fact it doesn’t work like this. Take me at my word or not.

  • EK65

    The Sens organization tends to RUN away from guys with attitude issues. If they believe in the rumors surrounding Kane’s issues, can’t see them making a pitch for him. Especially when we’d have to give up one of Lazar, Zibanejad, or Lehner.

  • Hax

    OT: Disqus is pissing me off. Two or three times a day I am told I have to authenticate (even though it still says “post as hax”) which forces me to log out, then log back in, then navigate back to the article and comment I wanted to reply to, then retype my reply.

    • sens_bud

      I copy my reply and sometimes you can just refresh the page or go to the home page and back into the discussion you were in. Still have navigate to the comment though.

    • FistsofNeil25

      I think we have all been having the same issue but I always just refresh my page. I never have to log out and back in again.

      • Hax

        I’ll try that. Not really a big deal either way.

    • SensChirp

      Does this to me too.

    • Pasky

      I think it’s because we keep the window open and once a timer runs out it logs out automatically, as a safety feature.

    • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

      It’s been brutal lately… I’ll get that, I won’t get notified of new posts at the top or bottom… Or I will and there will be nothing there, or I will have to scroll through the posts to find something new.

      • CUP 2014-15

        Or you go through that to find a post from Tooks, ugh

        • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

          Hahahaha

      • Hax

        Yeah that’s a minor complaint from me too (missing new posts) though that’s more due to my OCD need to read every last post. Well, except the ones I have on “ignore”.

  • Deadly

    In order to get Kane they would need to give players that their scouting staff have identified as having the character and skills to be part of our organization. Imagine giving up the unproven , but full of character Lazar for him.
    I think we would be looking for new scouts as they would be moving to new teams.
    But really this is a trade that will not happen as I think the Sens have put character as a key ingredient in drafting and adding players.
    But it is interesting to speculate.

  • Amanuel Dawit

    is Kane a RW or LW? (please be LW)

    • FistsofNeil25

      LW

  • Jakester

    Anderson,Puempel,Wiorcioch, and a 2015 2nd rounder (if it becomes a first do it) we have prospects coming out of our YING YANG!

    • sens_bud

      Too much in my opinion.

      • Jakester

        Would that trade really hurt us though?

        • sens_bud

          I would not want to give up a first next year, and not Puempel. Prince sure, Anderson sure, Wiercioch sure, second for sure.

          • Jakester

            You know what Prince is going to be a better player than Puempel – Prince is a much better skater. Prince has a great shot too just like Puempel.

          • CUP 2014-15

            I’ll take Peumple all day long over Prince, not that I don’t like him because I do. Natural Goal scorers are a rare find and that’s all this guy does, is score from everywhere on the ice.

          • Jakester

            Prince had the most points at even strength last year in Bingo – more than Puempel – nobody projcted either to be better than the other – my eyes show me that Prince is a better player right now than puempel that may change however – so it isn’t as if one is really a clear cut winner

          • CUP 2014-15

            Agree and that’s the fun of prospects it’s guess work when your talking about young talented players

          • sens_bud

            I did not know Prince is projected to be better then Puempel.

    • Turbo_Prop

      I would make that trade, would prefer to give up Prince instead of Puempel though

    • spezzerman

      Puempel alone is trending towards being at least a 25G scorer. Kane might get you 5-10 more. Is it really worth it giving all that up for a guy who likely doesnt want to play in a small town market anyway?

      • FistsofNeil25

        That’s my only concern. If he doesn’t like playing in Winnipeg then I would say that the City of Ottawa isn’t a big enough upgrade to make him happy. Every move he makes he would be magnified. He probably belongs in a market like Philly or LA.

  • FistsofNeil25

    Number one reason to acquired Evander Kane.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xW9Sp-WndwA

    Cooke knocked out by an 18 year old lol

    • Amanuel Dawit

      :,) that is the most beautiful thing ive seen!

    • HamadBo$$

      Dammmmnn now I reaaaaalllyy want him

    • CUP 2014-15

      OK, OK, OK the fact alone that it was cooke will allow me to up the offer and play that video on opening night

    • my2sens

      Karlsson and I say yes.

    • Zelle

      That’s why Cooke doesn’t fight, all he can do is lay cheap shots and skate away with his ‘oh what happened??’ face.

  • Amanuel Dawit

    now that i think about it we dont need Kane, we already have Milo and Macarthur at LW. we need a RW!

    • HamadBo$$

      But look at the video right under!!

    • CUP 2014-15

      ????????? BR, MS, AC, EC, CN and Lazar are all right side

    • FistsofNeil25

      But we have Ryan, Chiasson, Stone, Lazar, Neil and Condra all competing for spots on the right wing. We need a goal scoring left winger that would bump Michalek down to the third line where he belongs.

      • Amanuel Dawit

        Condra becomes a LW, and you trade Stone, for a RW, Neil will probably sit in the press box for a few games…

        • FistsofNeil25

          I don’t understand. As of right now out right wing is a lot deeper than our left.

          RW – Ryan, Chiasson, Stone, Lazar, Neil, Condra

          LW – MacArthur, Michalek, Greening, Hoffman

    • Kohlmanator

      Ryan, Lazar, Chaisson, Stone, Condra and Neil are RW. I think a 123 of Kane, MacArthur and Michalek on LW would be great.

  • spezzerman

    Not saying that Kane wont be better, cause he will, but anyone else thinking back to when we dodged that Rick Nash bullet? phew…

  • Amanuel Dawit

    so if i understand, you trade for Kane, and move Milo or MacArthur to RW, cuz no way one of them plays third line minutes! Kane should play with Z-bad, and Macarthur-Turris-Ryan is a line, so Milo becomes a RW…

    • spezzerman

      milo could play third line, he woudl be centered by Zib or LEgwand which is great, really

    • FistsofNeil25

      No, Michalek gets bumped down to the third line where he probably belongs at this point in his career. That would give us three very solid lines and Michalek would still be playing with a very capable center.

      • Frankie Fives

        I like our projected top 3 lines right now. Very balanced, especially if you put Stone with Mac and Turris to even out the scoring. He can even play LW

        Mac-Turris-Stone
        Ryan-Zibby-Chiasson
        Hoffman-Legwand-Lazar
        Greening-Smith-Condra/Neil

        • Amanuel Dawit

          Greening has to go, unless if he plays like 2-3 years ago, he’s a waste of money…

        • FistsofNeil25

          That line up doesn’t even include Michalek lol

          • Frankie Fives

            My bad. I had him on line 3 and then added Hoffman lol

            Hoffman is the extra FW at this point

  • CUP 2014-15

    T-trade
    P-Puemple
    H-Hoffman
    CMac Turris Ryan
    Milo Legwand Chiasson
    T.P.H Zibby Stone
    If we were lucky enough to get someone like EK then I think Zibby’s line would move up to 2nd, if not they will compete for 2nd line minutes anyway. Hoff, Zibby and Stone played together before Zibby was recalled from Bingo.

    • Senatollah

      Unless CP4 gets traded to Calgary for picks or hockey pucks and refrigerant then I think Marc Methot may be the odd man out to make the deal with the Peg for Kane.

      • CUP 2014-15

        Lord, baby Jesus…..NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

      • sens88

        That’ll definitely solve our problems on Defence for next year!

  • Frankie Fives

    Who started this whole Evander Kane trade talk anyway? The Sens aren’t about to add another $6 million to payroll so they’d need to send money out. Winnipeg isn’t about to take our overpriced contracts (*cough* Greening *cough*) unless we sweeten the pot with a Lazar and a 2015 1st and to me, that’s way too much for a head case.

    I’m good with our current roster. I’d rather upgrade on D with a quantity for quality trade

    • Finn 8

      I hope they never trade for Kane, I would take Ladd

      • CUP 2014-15

        I would rather David Perron from EDMT for Anderson, PW, CG and a 2nd. EDMT would need o send back the Goaltender of their choice as a back up or the Sens would need to go after someone like Marty as a back up.

    • Andrews theory

      D is absolutely the peice that needs to be tweeked, i’d be ok rolling with our forward lines as they stand with a shot at sliding into a playoff spot.
      looking pesky.

  • Amanuel Dawit

    My lineups, if what i said happens:
    MacArthur-Turris-Ryan
    Kane-Zibanejad-Michalek
    Hoffman-Legwand-Lazar
    Condra-Smith-Neil
    look Milo is still very good, he just wasnt as he was because of his knee Injury, but at the end he got better, WAY BETTER, he got many more points at the end of the season, and he was the fastest skater at the sens skills competition! he will be as good as he was in 2011-2012…

    • Kohlmanator

      Milo is a decent player, I agree. But the reason he got points at the of the season is because of the chemistry Spezza and Hemsky had. Spezza made those around him better – take him away, and we’ll see what we truly have.

      • Amanuel Dawit

        he will be great with E.Kane, and Z-bad, they can be great together…

      • Andrews theory

        Spezza is awesome no question but Turris and Zibanejad aren’t crap either…

    • sens_bud

      I’m afraid to break the news, but he will never again pot 35 in a season.

      • Amanuel Dawit

        he wont, but i predicted a good 26 goal season…

  • Michenator

    I really feel like E Kane doesn’t want to go to another “small” market team, especially a Canadian one. I am also totally ok with him not being a Sens. It’s one thing to need a fresh start, it’s another thing to be a publicist nightmare. His skill and size are exemplary, his work ethic and off ice practices definitely are not.

  • FistsofNeil25

    I find it interesting how much hype Puempel gets lately. He’s an excellent goal scorer but if he’s not scoring goals for you, he’s not doing much else.

    In 74 games, Puempel registered 30 goals 18 assists and was a -11.

    There’s another player in Binghamton who in 46 games, registered 20 goals 24 assists and was a +15. In a full 75 game season that would come out to about 33 goals and 39 assists. This player’s name is Jean Gabriel Pageau. He’s a much better skater than Puempel and has a far superior all round game. They’re also only two months apart in age.

    So why doesn’t Pageau deserve the same hype? is it just because he’s a smaller player than Puempel?

    • CUP 2014-15

      I think it’s just that he’s a Centre

    • whammer44

      It’s that and we have had a sample sizing of him, so people feel they know his upside and where he slots or doesn’t slot in.
      Puempel is an unknown here so we elevate him to what we want him to be…that and he was a higher pick.

    • Hax

      I’m not super concerned about Puempel’s minus rating. I didn’t get a chance to watch him play much at all, but in his first pro year he could just be learning the ropes and/or being asked to focus on his offensive game etc.

      I’d much rather hear from Richardson on his overall game. If he’s as one-sided as the stats make it look then yeah, he’ll need more time in Bingo.

      I think JGP is more “NHL ready” today but Puempel has much more upside. And we need help in the top 6.

      • spezzerman

        Richardson has said they asked him to learn how to play d when he started, and he was in the bottom 6 for a lot of the first half of the season. This was new to him but Richardson has said great things about him.

        Would be interested in one of the regular Bingo followers take on it

        • Hax

          So I wonder if his minus rating was mostly due to playing a checking role early in the season and learning that. i.e. struggling trying to check the other team’s top line. If his minus rating improved in the second half of the year that would be a great sign.

          • spezzerman

            i wouldnt be surprised by that, but not sure.

      • Tooks

        Pageau wont ever play in the top 6 in the NHL.

    • sens_bud

      I think Puempel gets more hype because of the possibility of his slotting into our thin left side. Pageau gets forgotten because the center position is full as of now. Also probably because of his size, and maybe because people saw him come up not succeed a whole lot – mainly because of the situation he was given I think. Peumpel has not been tried at the NHL level so until he is and succeeds or fails he will get more hype.

    • spezzerman

      the fact that we need a LW more than a Center is a big part of it for me. Luke richardson has been very complimentary to how far along Puempel has come. I dont know for sure, but I wonder if that +/- (not that it matters…at all) came more from when he started in the bottom half to learn the defensive part of the game?

      I believe he also started scoring alot of his goals when he came into tthe top 6 following Stone and Hoffmans call ups. If he was asked to focus on the d part of his game as he learned the pro game and still scored 30G, thats pretty impressive.

    • Andrews theory

      Pedigree…
      Puemple has scored at every level. It’s great to have an all round game but there’s a reason guys like Heatley in their prime are sought after, you can score you cant win.
      the big thing with Puemple as well is that he really came on later in the year. Another year in bingo and he should be a serious threat to be a top 6 scorer in the bigs. When we drafted him he was considered one of the best pure goal scorers in the draft that should translate at some point.

      • FistsofNeil25

        Pageau was a two time 30 goal scorer in junior as well. I’m not saying that Pageau is the better prospect here. I just find it interesting that all of a sudden Puempel is getting a lot of hype and people are labeling him as untouchable when there are other prospects in the organization that really have an equivalent offensive pedigree but may also have better all round games.

        • Andrews theory

          size is likely a big factor too right? small guys never get taken seriously until they prove it in the bigs…tons of uber talented small forwards in the ahl and europe

        • Tooks

          Fists do you really see Pageau in our top 6?

          • FistsofNeil25

            No I don’t. I’m just trying to stir up some discussion. Can’t really say I see Puempel ever playing in the top six either until I see him play some NHL games.

          • spezzerman

            30G, first year pro? Why dont you see this possibility? it will be interesting to see if he builds on that obviously but his first year has been better than Pageau or Prince so far. I like all three but to me Pumepel is the most skilled, pure goal scorer and that translates into a higher upside.

          • FistsofNeil25

            I see it as a possibility but I don’t see it as a given.

            I brought this up because Puempel is getting a lot of hype and many people are labeling him as untouchable.

            He’s a very good prospect but I for one would absolutely include him in a trade to land an already proven young goal scorer if it were possible.

          • spezzerman

            well no its not a given, nothing is. i was more responding to you saying you “cant ever really see him in a top six role.” But if you consider that Kane in 320ish NHL games averages 25G over 82 games, you really shouldnt send a Puempel, who is our best pure goal scoring prospect right now, as a complimentary piece in a package deal.

            I really like Kane, and I think he can be closer to 30g scorer but not by much really. and he has played with good enough players so you cant use that excuse. He was 5th in PPG last year in Winnipeg…

          • FistsofNeil25

            Ah yes I shouldn’t have included the word “ever” in that statement.

          • spezzerman

            You definitely have to give to get but I don’t think Kane is worth giving up a guy as a complimentary piece, no less, who is likely going to average 5 or so fewer goals than Kane in the not too distant future.

            I guess I really wouldnt be involved in a Kane race with 28 otehr teams. ANd I dont give a shit about what his speculated attitude is either, but based purely on his performance so far in a very good sample size.

          • CUP 2014-15

            I like the convo your starting and it’s a good debate but would you consider Lazar a top 6 ?

          • FistsofNeil25

            Yes. I consider Lazar the only bluechip forward prospect we have. He can do it all.

          • CUP 2014-15

            Interesting because they have basically the same point total in their 3 full years in Jr. Puemple’s a tad higher but different teams and different leagues so it’s pretty much even. Both 1st round picks and neither have seen the NHL. Like all young players, I think we are sold by the media unless we have the time to watch these players. I have seen both about the same amount of time and agree that Lazar to me is the better player but being teens it’s still too small a gap between them in my view, at least once you remove the media hype.

          • FistsofNeil25

            That’s a fair point but I’m not basing my opinion solely off stats. Lazar has superior athletic ability and that extra gear.

            If you look at their stats alone, Puempel had much better numbers as a 16/17 year old and 17/18 year than Lazar at those same ages, but was hampered by an injury the season he was 18/19 and only played in 30 games while Lazar scored 41 goals in 58 games at that same age. It’s also well known that Lazar is a defense first kind of player and his offensive numbers take a bit of a hit because of it. I also believe Lazar actually led the WHL in even strength goals this season.

        • Shibal

          Puempel was playing for a crappy petes team during his draft year – for him to scored 30 goals on a crappy junior team is huge. When he went to Kitchener he only scored 35 goals, however that was about 25% of the Ranger’s goals in total – also an amazing feat. The awesome thing about Puempel is that he can score goals whether he has an awesome center or not: he just knows how to find the net.

    • Tooks

      We’ve seen what Pageau can do and its limited to 3rd or 4th line role… Puempel has the ability to be a top 6.

      • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

        Because you’ve seen him play that in the NHL so much?

        • Tooks

          Its called projection, Puempel projects as a 2nd liner, Pageau projected as a bottom 6 guy, situational type player.

      • BeJamin

        More like we’ve seen him struggle in a bottom six role with useless hockey offense IQ players like Condra, Greening & Neil. And we’ve seen him shine when he was given Spezza’s spot on the top line. Do not be at all surprised if he wow’s people out of camp and gets a shot in the top 6 bumping Z down to 3rd line C.

    • Andrews theory

      for the record, big Pageau fan… i think most of us are

  • MethotToMyMadness

    The more I think about Kane as a trade option with the Senators, the less I like the idea. We know he’s a power forward, goal scoring player and would make our 2nd line much better, but Ottawa should have no intention of giving up a 1st rnd next year, as well as a top 6 player and a prospect for him. Even though the asking will fall shorter than that, I just can’t see it happening personally. I know the Sens talked about moving some quantity for quality, but I just can’t see the players we’ve been talking about moving, getting a deal done. Not the Greening, Condra or Gryba’s of the world.

    I was doing some reading on Kane. His issues seem to be behavior off the ice more than anything. For the most part, the team has backed him up, but it appears to be the key problem and no doubt the Team is getting tired of it. Again, this is all media so nobody but people on the inside really know. Can behavior be fixed, yes, just take a look at what happened with Kane in Chicago when he first started. We all know the Taxi stories. But is that something Ottawa needs right now, or something Management wants to work on over the next 4 years? Ego is one thing, but blatant behavior problems would likely carry over in a small market like Ottawa (much like the Peg) and would just be a constant news story.

  • Hax

    If anyone has any waiver questions – act fast!

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    Wondering if a player is exempt from waivers? Ask us before 11:40 a.m. ET and we will respond with his waiver status.

  • FistsofNeil25

    And another question, why does Puempel get more hype than Prince?

    • Hax

      Drafted higher, generally believed to have a higher ceiling, mentioned more by guys like Dorion and Richardson in interviews.

      • Brock

        Yep. Drafted higher and players with more offensive flare tend to get looked at a bit more.

    • CUP 2014-15

      Size has a lot to do with it. I disagree with this outlook as there are a dozen players smaller then JGP or Prince that are great NHLer’s but it’s still there for some reason. Thankfully Theo never listened to the critics nor did Marty or we would have missed out on two of the most exciting players in the last 20 years.

    • Tooks

      Cuz Prince asked to be traded…Why hype a guy who doesnt want to be here.

      • FistsofNeil25

        Allegedly.

        • KJ

          Puemple scores goals.

          • Jakester

            Prince was point per game plus in Junior???

          • Shibal

            Puempel has been consistently putting up goals in points every year in Juniors; Prince has benefited from playing on a team that includes: Toffoli, Monahan, and Ceci. Also, if Puempel wasn’t playing bottom 6 minutes for the first half of the season Puempel may have scored 40 goals maybe – he had 23 goals in the last 46 games of the season, and only 7 in the first half.

          • KJ

            He was better than ppg his last two seasons with the 67′s before joining Bingo.
            I would not trade either prospect personally. but perceived value is worth something in a trade.

    • Conor_smythe

      Puemple is a shooter, Prince is a skater.. shooters tend to get more hype

    • Jakester

      that was my question? Prince can pretty much do everything – his 200 ft game is much better

  • FistsofNeil25

    And one last thing. Why the hell does Puempel get more hype than Darren Kramer? It’s mind boggling actually.

    • Hax

      “How come I can’t get no Tang ’round here?!?!?”

    • Tooks

      Who is Darren Kramer?

      • FistsofNeil25

        He’s probably our best playmaking prospect in the system. He’s got some silky mitts I tell ya..

        • Spoons

          If by “playmaking” you mean “fighting” then I agree.

          So now we’re hyping Kramer?

          • FistsofNeil25

            sarcasm gets lost over the internet lol I was only joking about Kramer.

          • Tooks

            I would take Kramer from Seinfeld anyday, guy has dangles!

          • FistsofNeil25

            He could be the door guy at our bench for the defenseman. Picture him opening the bench doors for Cowen the same way he opens the door to Jerry’s apartment.

          • Tooks

            LMAO, would definitely pay to see that!

        • Pugnacious Serf

          Sikly mitts on other peoples faces!

      • Kohlmanator

        Neil 2.0

    • Phil.

      I think some of it is “hype begets hype”. Kramer is a 6th round pick. The expectations (and projections) are different than a 1st rounder, he’ll have to earn his hype.

      • FistsofNeil25

        I obviously wasn’t serious. Kramer will likely never be an NHL player.

        • CUP 2014-15

          LOL, I love when you or Doc are stirring the pot, just to get s#!t going.

        • Phil.

          Damn. I feel stupid now. Completely fell for it.
          The worse part is that I know who Kramer is and what he does, and yet I still fell for it.

  • Sandy

    I had a feeling that E Kane was going to be that trade, but after seeing 6M in salary for the next 4 years had me knowing that’s not going to happen because of the budget and the # of contracts due to expire at the end of next season.

    • Hax

      Thinking about it more, the only way E Kane is a target is if Bobby isn’t going to stay here. In which case, he’d be going the other way in the trade.

      And trading Ryan for Kane does not appeal to me.

      • KingKarlsson84 – RSU is pathet

        Ryan could end up not even signing here again after this season, at least with Kane you know he’ll be around for a little while….I’d rather Ryan than Kane but anything could happen with that extension…

  • clarkeinthedark

    Have a feeling once we get another deal done (I hope), then we will start getting guys under contract.

    • In the Bleachers

      THERE IS NO RUSH FOR THESE CONTRACT EXTENSIONS
      Only Ragnar has to be signed by October.
      The others are all signed to play next season
      They and their agents will be flexible vis-a-vis the BM situation.

      • Pasky

        I agree with you except for Ryan. Getting him extended will at least calm the fan base down and be a good PR move to try and sell more tickets. I guarantee you if Ryan doesn’t have an extension before the start of training camp all your going to hear is the doom and gloom about how Ryan wants to leave, he’s going to get traded, our internal budget is killing this team, Melnyk is a piece of shit, I’m jumping ship, etc.

        MacArthur is a good idea to wait, just to make sure he can hit over 50 points again. Might be the difference between 4M or 5M a year on his extension. Methot will depend on the development of Cowen & whether Weircioch gets traded or not. If Cowen finally reaches the Top 4 potential and becomes a good partner for Karlsson and the team wants to keep Weircioch in the Top 4 as well then I’m not opposed to trading Methot at the trade deadline for a 1st or to upgrade our Top 6. Anderson and Condra can be done whenever, if it even gets done at all.

  • In the Bleachers

    If E . Kane is indeed on the market wouldn’t teams like the Islanders
    be offering BIG packages for him ?

    Packages that would easily beat a Lazar/Smith/1st offer from Ottawa ?

    • Spoons

      Yep. That OTT package is big for us. Maybe even too big, but some teams like NYI would definitely offer something bigger.

      • In the Bleachers

        Kane’s “attitude” can be easily marketed as “Brooklyn swagger”.
        The Islanders publicity department would love the guy.

        and Tavares + Kane = ???!!!!

    • Sensnation

      I don’t think Lazar is going anywhere, even for an E. Kane.

    • BeJamin

      Why the heck would you want to give up Lazar, Smith, and a potential lottery 1st in 2015 for Kane? His attitude is disgraceful. I wouldn’t touch that hockey player with a 10 foot pole. Did we learn nothing from Heatley?

  • Pasky

    This is a tweet re: Kane

    @garylawless
    Chevy and #nhljets would want a young top 6 F or young top 4 D in return for Kane. Player must be coming of age or in prime and locked up

    Since he also wants someone locked up and not on a 1 year contract that essentially leaves Turris, Karlsson & Cowen as the pieces that match that decription, and we aren’t trading Turris or Karlsson for sure. Greening could fall in a Top 9 category, and Weircioch could be a Top 4 potential but I don’t think that would get it done.

    So Cowen seems like the most likely piece that would get the deal done, but I’m not sure BM gives up on him yet. If he does, then I would try Cowen, Hoffman & 2nd, maybe add a prospect to avoid giving away a 1st, or do the 1st in 2016.

    MacArthur-Turris-Stone
    Kane-Zibanejad-Ryan
    Michalek-Legwand-Chiasson
    Greening-Smith-Neil/Condra

    Methot-Karlsson
    Weircioch-Ceci
    Phillips-Gryba
    Borowiecki

    • Spoons

      I think Chiasson could be that top 6 forward who is coming of age.

      If Chiasson + Cowen is enough… then I think I’d do it! Jets would have to retain 50% of Kane’s attitude though.

      • KingKarlsson84 – RSU is pathet

        HAHA! That’s just it isn’t it? Do the Sens need another off ice problem? If we could get anything for Cowen I’d be happy though

      • Pasky

        See I don’t get why people are already open to trading away Chiasson. He scored close to 40 points as a rookie in the NHL, not to mention he’s the big power forward we’ve been looking for as well as the center piece in the Spezza trade. I get that he isn’t home grown talent so people don’t like him compared to our own players but he’s going to be a talented kid that we should keep.

        Maybe it’s because I watch Dallas games since my cousin is a fan but I wouldn’t trade him.

        • Spoons

          My opinion of Chiasson is based on nothing more than from Dallas fans on HFboards. They didn’t seem to like him very much. They say he’s slow and inconsistent.

          • BeJamin

            That’s kind of what people always say as soon as a player is no longer on their team. Just like fans went on for weeks about how good Spezza is so the return should be great and the immediately called him a defensive liability and uncomitted player the second he was sent packing.

          • Pugnacious Serf

            I bet if you go back and look at what they were saying about him the first 6 weeks of the season when he was lighting it up it would be quite different from today. To say he’s inconsistent doesn’t make sense, of course he is, he was a rook, when you look at his development though, you see he’s been able to move up a level and immediately compete. And the irony of calling Chaisson inconsistent and then receiving Spezza back in a trade is classic.

        • FistsofNeil25

          The thing is something’s got to give on that right wing. We have Bobby and Chiasson as locks and most people are hoping to see Stone and Lazar as full time NHLers sooner rather than later. Most of us are a lot more attached to the home grown talents.

          • Pasky

            I doubt Lazar starts on the team this year though. Like you said it’s not like we need him on the right side or down the middle unless a trade happens. It wouldn’t be bad if he goes back to junior after his tryout and dominates the league. Also have him as a lock on Team Canada for the juniors, possibly as a Captain.

      • Jakester

        You keep Chiasson

    • CohMa

      I’d definitely prefer if BM could sell Weircioch as that top 4 D + Hoffman or Prince + a 2nd for Kane, that would be great. Greening or Condra could be a throw in!

  • FistsofNeil25

    Toews and Kane just signed 8 year deals. Let’s see what the cap hit is lol this should be good.

    • FistsofNeil25

      10.5M AAV. Holy shit.

      • aegiszx

        God damn. Extension won’t kick in till the year after right? If it’s true that the cap is supposed to go up 7+ mill then… The hawks shouldn’t be in trouble… Lots of players off the hook next year too.

        • FistsofNeil25

          Chicago better just hope the cap doesn’t come crashing down again.

          • Sandy

            How high can the cap go though? There are teams, including the Sens, that can’t handle the top of the cap at 80M when the bottom gets to somewhere around 65M. A lot of teams will be in trouble should that ever happen. Then again, maybe that will force Melnyk to sell if he can’t afford to spend to the cap floor if it gets high enough.

        • Andrews theory

          You still need to fill the roster. If 6 of those players are fringe entry level that impacts the on ice product

      • SensChirp

        So can Bobby Ryan ask for $7 mil? $8 mil?

        • Phil.

          Yes.

        • FistsofNeil25

          That’s my fear. If this is the new NHL then I’d say Bobby will be looking for 7.5M per for 8 years.

          Trade him. Trade him now!

        • Pasky

          7M is what I expected, 8M would be as highas I go. They both led their team to multiple cups though which is why they deserve more in my opinion.

        • Sandy

          I expect 7M for Ryan and our cheap ass owner had better give it to him.
          That’s why the Ryan signing should have been completed shortly after July 1st. A lot of the negotiations could have happened earlier and all that would have been needed was him signing on the dotted line.
          I get that agents were more focused on expiring UFA contracts, but the Sens should have been focused on Ryan.
          Can you imagine the PR nightmare for this team if Melnyk won’t put the money into Ryan and the Sens have to trade him as well?
          I can’t imagine the backlash and negativity around this team should that happen. The fans would be in an absolute uproar.

          • spezzerman

            Or agents were waiting for Kane and toews to set the market price going forward. Not that ryan is there with those two but it still sets the price.

      • Andrews theory

        so does everybody still think chicago can keep their team in tact while remaining competitive?
        eesh…no home town discount there.

        • Pasky

          I thought I remember them asking for 12M a year so there’s a bit of a discount. Also keep in mind if the cap continues to grow and reaches 100M like some have mentioned then their cap hit becomes more reasonable. This is where I think some players lose with long term deals.

          • Andrews theory

            So what happens if it doesn’t ?

            Salaries are out of control

      • Pasky

        Sharp trade seems more plausible now?

    • Tooks

      Yeah this will be interesting!

  • MethotToMyMadness

    Wow, both Toews and Kane get eight-year contract extensions, worth an average annual value of $10.5 million. Now that’s a commitment.

    • Sandy

      That’s an ownership with money and they are pulling in huge money because the arena is full and the ticket price are probably quite high. They get lots of playoff revenue as well, because a good team was built without a budget.
      I remember when the ‘old man’ owned the team. He wouldn’t spend, wouldn’t allow broadcasting of the games, and the arena wasn’t very full. When he died, his son took over and the rest is history. Sucking at the right time when very high skilled players were at the top of the draft doesn’t hurt either.

      • aegiszx

        What Sandy said… When we were half season owners in 05 ticket prices were rock bottom. After a few cups? Waiting list. Sold out. Prices on par with MLSE. Ottawa fans have no right to boycott or complain about their tix prices cuz they are similar to what the hawks were back before Toews and Kane entered.

        Chi ownership has money and that’s all thanks to Toews and Kane who single handily revived the franchise.

      • sens_bud

        Could sound a little like the sens right now and this draft perhaps…. Good bye EM?

        • Sandy

          We can only hope it’s goodbye EM. We know and shouldn’t expect to spend with the really big teams, that is not an option.
          But to spend lower than Florida, Nashville, NYI, Winnipeg is embarrassing.
          Sooner the cap floor is going to be too much money for EM to be able to spend.

      • KJ

        don’t for one second think Chicago doesn’t operate their hockey team without a budget. their budget simply allows for retaining their two franchise players. those two players are the non-expendables.

  • FistsofNeil25

    By the time he’s 34, Johny Toews will have made $118 050 000 on NHL salary alone. Kane will have made $118 125 000 by the time he’s 33 lol

  • Tooks

    Darren Dreger‏@DarrenDreger7m

    8 year extensions for Kane and Toews. $10.5 mil aav each.

  • aegiszx

    Jonathan Toews and Patrick Kane are now the highest paid NHLers in history? Good for them IMO, but more importantly good for the future of NHLers (next gen) that won’t have to make ~1M. They’re setting a precedent… NHLers will one day be on par salary wise with Mlb, nba, NFL. Which then hopefully means no more single ownership and a group of investors can purchase a team.

    • laffin681021

      Off topic but saw Patrick Kane in the restaraunt I work at last night…the server that had him said he was an asshole. Wanted to go up to him and yell Go Sens Go in his face lol.

      • Sandy

        .. and he would have laughed in your face.

        • laffin681021

          No doubt

        • KingKarlsson84 – RSU is pathet

          Followed by a punch, remember what he did to that Cabbie in Buffalo?

          • laffin681021

            Well the rastaraunt is in Buffalo, maybe I should have called up the cabbie and told him he was there to get him back..I don’t think a Punch from PK would hurt that much…He was smaller then I was.

    • FistsofNeil25

      I think before the salary cap was implemented there were some players making 11M per season. Players like Jagr, Lidstrom, Forsberg, Sundin maybe?

      • Misaow

        Didn’t Sakic make 17mil one year? back in the 90′s

        • Andrews theory

          Sakic made 16.45 million one year, Webber currently makes 14 million per year and Brad Richards was getting 12 million as recently as 2012

          • Tooks

            Tyler Myers got like 10Mil one year I think?

    • KingKarlsson84 – RSU is pathet

      Uhh, no they won’t….Look how much money each league makes….The whole reason there have been numerous lockouts is cause the NHL owners are going broke paying them what they are paying them now…You will never see an NHL player making $25M a season, ever….

    • Andrews theory

      Have a quick peek at nfl tv contracts vs NHL tv contracts, nowhere near similar

  • Cicero

    Cowen for Sharp, straight up. Quick, while no one’s looking.

    • KingKarlsson84 – RSU is pathet

      Cowen for Sharp’s shin pads….That’s a good deal….

      • zippy

        Thanks…I needed that laugh

  • SensChirp

    I just like to look at this sometimes…

    http://capgeek.com/player/1126

    • SensChirp
    • Pugnacious Serf

      KT was making some hefty bonuses!

    • sens_bud

      If he continues to grow, develop and improve like he has shown over the last two years. I would just like to give out a congrats to BM and his team for this trade and signing. What a bargain moving forward.

      • Sandy

        The only hope we have of keeping Karlsson after his next contract expiry is to have a new Owner.

        • KingKarlsson84 – RSU is pathet

          Eugene will be flat broke by then I’m sure….

          • Sandy

            Well if he isn’t broke and still owns the team then Karlsson won’t be re-signing as Melnyk probably wouldn’t have kept the team’s best players as their salary demands would have been too high for his budget.
            What happens to the 56M budget if the cap floor is over that?

        • Tooks

          We also need to win alot of games here on out, couple Cups should keep him here…lol.

          • Sandy

            That’s the issue. But the Cups won’t come until the budget is higher or there is no budget. Which means a new Owner,

    • aegiszx

      How many Stanley cups, Olympic medals, and world championships has he won though? If you factor that in, it’s not a bargain but a fair price for a serviceable player that has “potential” to help this team.

      • Tooks

        Exactly this, you think Turris is same caliber as those big boys SC? I would much rather have a Toews or Kane even with the big contract.

        • spezzerman

          he is obviously not saying that. But Turris at 3.5M for the next 4 years is fantastic value.

          • Tooks

            Its exactly what Turris is worth tho, he aint worth more than that, he hasnt shown anything to merit a higher salary.

          • Sensnation

            Haha, what? He’s outproduced Michalek and others who are making more. There’s no way you can claim that’s what he’s worth and hasn’t shown anything to merit higher. There are so many comparisons you can make to show how cheap and fantastic value his current contract is.

          • sens_bud

            Scottie Upshall, David Desharnais, Michael Rider, Troy Brouwer, Vermette, Alex Tanguay. All similar salary and length.

            Id take Turris over any of those by a long shot.

    • MethotToMyMadness

      It’s great isn’t it.

    • Andrews theory

      That Karlsson contract was a steal as well

    • Tooks

      0 Cups…IF he leads us to one OR becomes a perennial ALL-Star / Best player in the game, his next contract would be very similar…
      BUT, not to worry, Turris is nowhere near Toews or Kane caliber…

      • aegiszx

        Stamkos next contract should be interesting… He will no doubt command huge money with all the personal success he has had.

        • Pasky

          Agree with that, honestly this makes Crosby’s 8.7M a year look like a bargain considering he’s the best player in the world.

          • Tooks

            I think Toews is the best player in the world.

        • Tooks

          He wont get 10, possibly closer to Ovie. Had he a Cup, then maybe 10 :P

  • Pasky

    Next year Chicago will be at 71.75M as a cap hit with 10F, 3D & 2G signed to contracts. Kruger and Saad will be resigned but they would need more room to sign their D corps. Not sure how high the cap goes next year but either way they need to shed some salary for sure, and Sharp seems the most likely. Hossa doesn’t have the NTC, but because of the new CBA the cap recapture penalty if he retires early makes Chicago hesitant to trade him.

    • Spoons

      CHI needs to make some moves for sure!

      • Sandy

        They need to trade money out for prospects and picks. They can’t afford to take back salary.

  • FistsofNeil25

    So what does this mean for Bobby? If he’s now going to be looking for 7.5-8M per season on a 7 or 8 year contract I would trade him so damn fast.

    • sens_bud

      I think he starts the conversation at 6yr @8mil per. His resume doesnt deserve 8 years. I think BM drops it down to 5yr @ 6.75mil per.

      • Pugnacious Serf

        Think your right, Ryan will easily get 7 million a la Paul Stastny. Wondered though if Ryan’s camp thought about really training it up hard and gambling on a career season. He puts up 30 – 35 goals by the trade deadline and demands 8 million. Ottawa would obviously have to sign him by the trade deadline or ship him out, we gave up too much to have a wishy washy Ryan not commit by then. I want the contract signed ASAP and preferably at your numbers. Patches signed in MTL for 4.75 million, guess its up to how much he likes Ottawa and if he is serious about being part of a committed organization, because his asking price of his contract will dictate whether he is a me player or a team player.

        • Sandy

          … a committed organization? Committed to what exactly.

        • Tooks

          Has nothing to do with a Me player or Team player, he wont take below market value to stay in OTT, who the fuck would? He’s gonna go where he gets paid fairly and with a chance to win probably.

          7 to 7.5Mil for Bobby is probably fair market value, some will give more but those giving less are not giving him fair value.

          • Sensnation

            Milan says hi!

          • Tooks

            Milan did not take below market value, hell I think we overpayed for him, thats why he stayed, lol.

      • Pasky

        Ryan won’t be below 7M, especially on a shorter contract. 5yr 7.5M is what I would want & probably Ryan could accept.

    • spezzerman

      but if anybody of his caliber is looking for the same $, does it really matter? Or, are you saying you can get better players for cheaper?

      • FistsofNeil25

        I’m saying it would be crazy to be paying Ryan 7.5-8M per season well into his thirties. Ryan doesn’t strike me as a player who will get better with age or even age gracefully.

        • spezzerman

          I actually think he will come in under 7.5. I’d give him 7M per year, but not more.

        • Tooks

          Ok I agree with you on the basis that he’s not worth 8-9-10Mil but he is def woth 7 for 7…In a perfect world we SHOULD do that but we cant.

          • FistsofNeil25

            What kind of player do you think Ryan is going to be when he’s 34 or 35 years old? He has limited athletic ability and he’s people criticized his entire career for the state of his fitness level. Players like that usually drop off significantly in to their early 30′s. Heatley and Lecavalier are two names that come to mind.

          • Tooks

            Well its pay him or trade him…We wont get a better player in return. If you want to win the McDavid sweepstakes, trade Ryan, followed by a soon trade Karlsson.. lol

        • runningbear1974

          It’s all crazy… just crazy… I would love to sign Ryan to 6.5 million for 8 years…

        • spezzerman

          if he wants more than 7M which is likely, he sure would be a nice dangle to Columbus for johansen…

    • Sandy

      Someone will pay him that however, but it won’t be Ottawa unfortunately. Another one of Karlsson’s friends probably traded.

      • FistsofNeil25

        It shouldn’t be Ottawa.

        • Tooks

          Its not that it shouldnt, its it wont, because we are a budget team. But IF we could, you can bet your ass we should!

          For a player that is worth that but I agree with you, Ryan aint worth 8-9-10Mil. Possibly 7.

          • FistsofNeil25

            You’d sign Bobby to a 7.5M to 8M for 7 or 8 years? Even if we could I sure as hell wouldn’t.

          • Pasky

            Not at 7 or 8 years but on a 5 year deal 7.5M would be OK

          • FistsofNeil25

            I agree with that. I’m okay with paying him 7-7.5M on a shorter term deal but a 6, 7 or 8 year team could be very dangerous the the Sens. A 4 or 5 year deal for Bobby is ideal.

          • Sandy

            For once I agree with you Tooks.
            Once these good players on Ottawa have contracts expiring they are going to demand raises. It’s soon going to get to a point where Melnyk can’t afford to do that. His lack of finances won’t allow Ottawa to ice a competitive team in about 3-5 yrs. Take that to the bank so to speak.

          • Sensnation

            Come on Sandy, you in no way have any support for the claims you make about Melnyk. How in the world can your crystal ball predict that stuff? In 3-5 years the cap could be close to 90-100million and we will have an extra 20-30+million from tv contracts. Not sure how that equates to what you are saying.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Yeah a lot can happen in 3-5 years.

          • Sandy

            He’s getting the TV revenues this year and he isn’t spending a dime of it to increase the budget.
            Take a look at Trimel and see the bad state of affairs that company is in.
            IMO he’s not selling his horses because he wants to retire.. he has to sell them.
            It’s not a crystal ball at all. It’s just the bad state of affairs he is in right now. It may change for the better, but then again it may not.
            Don’t get me wrong, I want Ryan to stay. I want him to give Ryan the raise and keep him along with MacArthur.
            He will prove me wrong in 2015/16 if he increases his budget by about 8M to keep the key players needing raises on new contracts at the end of 2014/15. Take a look, a lot of key players have contracts expiring after next season this could be the turning point for this organization.
            It’s out there now that Melnyk will not spend on his team. I guess we will find that out in about a year.

  • Sandy

    Getzlaf & Perry are now bargains. Kopitar’s contract is up in 2 seasons, what’s he going to be worth..
    For all of the top players these 2 contracts set the benchmark now.

    • runningbear1974

      Too bad it’s the richer teams that are setting the benchmark…

      • Sandy

        That’s really going to hurt the small market teams who have star players.

      • MethotToMyMadness

        There are other teams who are in need of players like Kane and Toews and would have paid them this type of money if they ever managed to make it to free agency.

        • runningbear1974

          Right… I’m just glad that doesn’t work for bread too… Whoever is willing to pay the most for the bread sets the price of bread for everyone…

  • Spoons

    Those signings are a huge blow on us landing a Ryan extension,.All of a sudden, I want Murray to trade Ryan and get the most value as possible before we lose him to an $8M contract next July 1st.

    • Sensnation

      We signed Spezza and Heatley to big contracts in that range years ago, I see no reason why we wouldn’t be able to do the same with Ryan going forward. As fans we need to expect the growing salaries in the coming years. When these new tv contracts get on the books, the cap and salaries will all be rising.

      Biggest difference with Toews and Kane vs most of the league is their dynasty style pursuit of Stanley Cups. Not many other players these days can claim they’ve had that level of success for this long and at such a young age.

      If we can get Ryan in the 6-7.5mil range I see no reason not to keep him around long term.

      • Sandy

        When Spezza & Heatley signed those ‘big’ contracts, Melnyk’s financial situation was a lot better than it is today.
        There is no question, the Sens have to sign Ryan or this team has a PR nightmare.

        • Sensnation

          Were we paying that much more in salaries to our team back then compared to now? I don’t understand how you see us having less money in the future than we did then for the same number of players on a team. Melnyk may have had more, but the league salary cap in 2008-09 was $56.7mil which is pretty much our current budget. So if we fit them in then, we can do the same now!

          • Tooks

            Well if you look at it that way, then think of a 44Mil budget in 2008, could we fit those big contracts in? I think not. We were a cap team in those days. Now we aint.

          • Sensnation

            That makes no sense. Same number of players, same amount of money. You may have to divide it differently now as the average salary is higher but it does not mean there aren’t still cheap contracts out there to round out around them.

    • Jakester

      Maybe Philly steps up. If Ryan asks for the moon then the Sens have a decision to make.

  • runningbear1974

    These guys are going to have a really hard time spending all their money…

    • bluebuyyoo

      Well, Kane can start by taking cabs and leaving a decent tip.

      • Tooks

        Or start his own cab company…

  • runningbear1974

    Chicago is now going to have a hard time winning another cup… Part of their success was the good contracts they had… Yikes… I wonder if they’ll be better or worse next year? or the following year….

    • FistsofNeil25

      Next year they will be fine. It’s the season after that could be a rough one.

    • Tooks

      They’ve done it before in 2010, I dont see why this is any different. They gutted a loaded Cup team and guess what, won another Cup.

      • FistsofNeil25

        Yeah they;ll have to make a few big changes next offseason but I still expect them to be a contender as long as guys like Toews, Kane and Keith are in their primes.

        • Sandy

          At the end of next season they have 3 D contracts expiring plus Saad and Kruger.
          They had better hope the cap goes up to about 78M.

      • runningbear1974

        The rest of the league is catching up to them…

  • ChiassonDownTheCup

    Smith, Greening for Hossa. Undo the original sin the Sens made by trading Hossa.

    • spezzerman

      Hossa’s contract is going to incur penalties before its up under the new cap recapture rules. its an albatross.

      • ChiassonDownTheCup

        I guess it depends if you foresee the Senators coming within 5 million dollars of the salary cap and being stuck with the recapture. I do not foresee these penalties effecting Ottawa in the slightest. He likely has 2-3 more good years left, and then he retires. Would be a solid PR move and the community loves him.

        • spezzerman

          I wouldnt want Hossa back at this point, but I’m just one guy. And I wouldnt want to be forced to deal with a cap penalty unnecessarily.

          • ChiassonDownTheCup

            Yeah, I hear you. And it’ll never happen…but being able to wear my vintage white Hossa jersey to games would be solid.

          • Sandy

            I think he is their only top player without a NTC. Might be easier to deal him than it is to deal Sharp. Hossa is also 3 yrs older, but IMO is the better player.

        • Sandy

          But doesn’t that recapture go back to the Hawks and if they trade him the new team isn’t affected by the recapture?
          Not sure about that.. but the cap recapture for the Hawks is going to hurt them..

          • spezzerman

            both teams are effected

    • Sandy

      I would love Hossa back. His cap hit isn’t the issue, it’s his salary of 7.9M.

  • Sensnation

    2015-2016 cap expected to be upwards of $80 million. Spending a quarter of that on 2 of the games top players, they still have an Ottawa budget worth to fill out their roster!

    • FistsofNeil25

      Isn’t it actually supposed to be around 75M? 75-76M was the projection when next years’ cap was supposed to be around 71M. I don’t think the salary cap is going to jump from 69M to upwards of 80M in one season.

      Those contracts are fine though. Chicago has loads of organizational depth and with the cap going up as you say, there’s nothing wrong with Toews and Kane at 10.5M…. as long as they can sustain their high level of play.

      • Sensnation

        Depends who you ask. Those are some huge tv contracts that will be on the books all of a sudden. I’ve seen reports that say 80. 75M would be the lowest possible I guess as it’s not going to increase less than it did last year. Still pretty much a quarter though either way.

        • Sandy

          What happens to some of the teams if the cap goes up to 90 or 100M. The floor would be around 70-80M?
          That’s going to hurt a lot of teams.

          • Pasky

            That’s where I think the cap will eventually start to correct itself. The market can only go up for so long before it starts to drop, just look at stock markets for reference.

          • Sensnation

            Well at 90mil the floor could be as low as 62mil, which with inflation going forward should be fine.

          • Sandy

            This year the difference is 18M from top of the cap to the floor.
            90M-62M is a difference of 28M.
            I guess I don’t understand the calculations to get the floor amount.

          • Sensnation

            It’s in the CBA, it’s a complex formula to determine it each year, but it’s bound by a minimum difference between cap ceiling and floor of 16 million and a maximum of 28 million. Article 50.5 (b)

            There are obviously lots of variances and factors that could change it, but that’s the agreed targets.

          • Sandy

            Thanks for that..

  • Tooks

    Maybe our new Motto should be “Committed for McDavid!. That way nobody would have an issue and everyone would be on the same page, lol.

    • A-Train

      I thought the tank nationers established “Lose honour for Connor” as the official motto?

      • Tooks

        Thats a good one, but I doubt we had any honour left after the Alfie debacle and constant lies from Melnyk about Cups, lol…

        • Pasky

          Swap Lose for No Honour for Connor

    • sens_bud

      I’m in.

  • A-Train

    Kane & Toews… they’re both great players. But if it came down to it and I had to choose one: It’s Patrick Kane all the way. Boatloads of talent, loves life and by the way if you NEED a goal right now he’s got that too. He’s the rarer breed.

    • FistsofNeil25

      Nah. He may be a rarer breed because of his talent but Toews has the better all round game and the intangibles that Kane lacks. I’d take Toews over Kane any day. In fact, I would take Toews over any player in the NHL at this point in time.

      Lucky for Chicago they don’t have to choose. They get to keep both.

      • runningbear1974

        I would choose Jeff Carter at 5.2 million over Toews at 10+ million…

        My buddy wrote down that i claimed Kane is best player in the NHL at the moment… So, it’s in writing that i made that claim…

      • A-Train

        I see it differently. To me, Kane’s combo of skill plus big-game ability (clutch, whatever) makes him more unique. He’s a “closer” as they say.

        But in the real world, yeah … they’re the perfect yin/yang combo. Great for winning titles, and fun to root for if you’re a fan.

        • FistsofNeil25

          Toews is every bit as much of a big game player. Kane may produce slightly more in the playoffs but Toews has done it at the international level as well. Toews also draws the top defensive assignments as well.

          When it comes down to it though what is more valuable to an organization? A number one center or a top line winger? Give me the number one center of Toews’ ilk if you want to build a championship caliber team.

        • Sensnation

          Kane may seem more clutch but he’s actually not. Toews has 36 game winning goals to Kane’s 30 since they entered the league. And another 10-7 advantage for Toews in Playoff game winning goals. Not sure what’s more clutch than that.!

          • A-Train

            Not every game winning goal is created equally though, right?

          • Sensnation

            In the playoffs they are more valuable. I get what you’re trying to say, but unless you’ve found a place that counts which matter and which don’t I can’t help you. Watching hockey the last few years, I’ve felt Toews was every bit as clutch as Kane, and the stats tend to support it. Even if you say some of those goals aren’t meaningful, the same would be said for some of Kane’s, so eventually you’re looking at a best case of they are as clutch as each other.

    • Tooks

      I disagree, once Kane stops scoring he’s useless…He’s a pure goal scorer and they eventually stop scoring at one point. Toews on the other hand can handle pretty much any assignment and is much more valuable. Dont get me wrong, I too prefer Kane over Toews (because I love scoring) but I know down the the road, who will be the most consistant and worthy of this contract…Toews.

      • A-Train

        I guess the question becomes: What’s more important? Down the road or the near to mid term? Perhaps Toews will be more effective over a longer period. But Kane’s qualities are more special.

        Anyway … Chicago have done the obvious and said “you’re both equally special.”

    • MethotToMyMadness

      Toews over Kane, I just find he’s more of a complete overall player, where Kane is more one dimensional.

    • sens_bud

      Ill make like CHI, ball out and take both. Division, conference, cup. Thanks

  • Spoons

    Knowing how committed Melnyk is to winning, we’re most likely to lose Ryan. So what about a Ryan – E.Kane trade? We won’t get any better, but at least we know we won’t lose a top line player next year.

    • Sensnation

      We know how committed fans are to running players out of town, why haven’t they found a way to do the same with this owner they claim to hate so much?

      • Sandy

        I’m sure that has started. His tweet about thanking Spezza for his years here were replied to with some not so nice comments.
        Too bad he blocked them as you can’t see them anymore.
        My suggestion to him is to stay as far away from Ottawa as he can next season.

        • Sensnation

          Winning cures all and if this team starts winning in the fall fans will move on pretty fast!

    • spgottawa

      Sens will sign Bobby Ryan to an extension. The CHI signings actually make it more likely. Ryan and his agent have likely already named their price – more likely now that the Sens pony up the cash. It’ll come out of the incremental increase in TV revenue.

      • Sandy

        It all depends on if Melnyk raises the budget next season. Actually he will have to based on who the players are that have the expiring contracts.

        Time for Murray to play the heavy and tell him to pay up, shut up or sell up.
        Not that he would do that, but I would think he would so like to.

    • Sandy

      E Kane makes 6M for the next 4 yrs. I would sooner keep Ryan at 7M if he would take it.
      The longer the contract negotiations go one the worse it could be. The same thing I felt when the Alfie contract negotiations dragged on.

  • Harry

    Don’t know if this has already been posted.

    According to Sportsnet, the club has agreed with Derek Grant to a one-year, two-way contract worth 700,000 at the NHL level.

    Grant is someone I think would make a good replacement for Condra if he were to be traded.

    • MethotToMyMadness

      Isn’t Grant a D?

      • Sensnation

        Wrong Grant, that’s Alex

      • MethotToMyMadness

        Oh, i was think Alex, sorry. I know TSN posted about his signing the other day.

      • CohMa

        Alex Grant is a D, Derek Grant is a C. I have a feeling Sportnet mixed up the Grants.

        • Sandy

          I’m not surprised.

    • KJ

      Grant is a defenseman, so I don’t think he’ll replace Condra anytime soon. He was the return for Andre Peterson.

      • sprucesens

        we have 2 grant’s. Derek is a forward, not sure of his contract status, but he’s a center mostly. I think that’s who he was thinking of. I believe the other is Alex? don’t remember, and yes, he’s a D, not likely to ever make the big club

        • KJ

          apparently Derek just signed, and now they are both recently under contract for 1 year, two way deals. :)

  • Sandy

    So what do these contracts mean to Subban?

    • Sensnation

      Probably that he’ll have to keep wishing he was THAT good ;) lol

    • bluebuyyoo

      When he wins a couple of Stanley Cups, he will really strike it rich.

    • FistsofNeil25

      He was going to get 8+ anyway most likely.

      • Sensnation

        Subban will get more than Karlsson, question is who is the better player?

        • Hax

          Karlsson – it’s not even a question outside of Montreal.

          • Sensnation

            Is that offensively or overall or both? Overall the verdict is still out for me, but offensively I agree no question.

          • Hax

            Overall. Karlsson’s defensive “problems” are a combination of his injury still hampering his ability to skate backwards (won’t be a problem this coming season) and his gameplan to try and create more offense and take risks.

            I would bet dollars to donuts that if you put both guys on the ice with one puck, PK would eventually forget what the puck even looked like since EK would have it constantly.

            Watch EK when he does turn the puck over (more before the injury than last year – but even last year as well). He basically snaps and go gets the puck back as if it was nothing at all. Sure he gets lazy or cocky and turns the puck over or gets caught napping but when he actually puts the effort in he can defend anyone.

          • Sensnation

            Agreed, but the physical aspect Subban brings combined with speed and skill is something Karlsson will never match.

          • Hax

            Frankly I don’t give a rat’s ass if Karlsson every hits as hard as Subban (though he’s thrown a few decent hits himself). What matters to me more is getting the puck back.

            Not saying hitting is useless but I think PK has cost his team a scoring chance against as often with his missed, telegraphed, come-from-halfway-across-the-ice hip checks as EK has with his turnovers. The difference is that when EK turns the puck over he very often goes and gets it back where as PK is standing at his blueline wondering why he checked the boards so hard.

            Some hyperbole in there of course, but my point is that other than hitting harder I don’t see a single thing PK does that EK doesn’t do better or couldn’t do better.

          • Sensnation

            If EK goes back to playing d this year, it’s hard to disagree with anything that you’re saying.

          • spezzerman

            umm, i dont think so. I actually think right now only people in Ottawa think that. They are wrong, of course. ;)

          • Jakester

            Karlsson at 100 percent , would not be shocked to see him have a 100 point season in one of his next few seasons. His D play will be good once he can turn without pain again.

        • FistsofNeil25

          I don’t think that is the question. They’re both two of the elite defenseman in the league. In any given year either one could be better than the other.

          There are a lot of great defenseman in the NHL.

          Doughty, Weber, Chara, Suter, Keith, Pietrangelo, Kronwall, Karlsson and Subban. It also seems like McDonagh, Hedman and Ekman-Larsson are poised to join that group as well.

          • Sensnation

            It was my question lol.

            Agree they are all part of the elite, and it’s fun to have a rival with a player who can actually be talked about in the same class of dmen as Karlsson. Unlike that other team that’s a right onto the 401 and few hours drive … some guy named Dion.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Celine!

        • Keregan

          Karlsson is better no question here

    • sprucesens

      nothing? they are top forwards that have each one 2 cups, and are considered the best in the business at what they offer. Subban would be considered near the top in the D world, but so is karlsson. Montreal camp will point to karlsson’s contract, or even pietrangelo’s. Lots of others under the 7 mill mark for top D. If he wants a long term contract, its likely to be in the 7-8 mill mark, regardless of toews and kane’s contracts

    • Hax

      Not sure it means much but may actually keep the number lower. Some were speculating that PK could get $10M but now the Habs can point to these two guys and say “you’re not making the same as them”.

      I still think PK get $9M per year and I will laugh and laugh and laugh at the Habs for that ill-timed bridge contract and at how we have Karlsson locked up at $6.5M which is dirt cheap by comparison.

      • Sandy

        He shouldn’t get more than Drew Doughty IMO.

        • FistsofNeil25

          If Doughty was eligible for a new contract he would probably get 9M minimum. We can no longer use older contracts as a comparison. Doughty is underpaid at 7M in this new NHL. In my opinion Doughty is the best defenseman in the game.

          • sens_bud

            A couple cups can cement conjectural calculations.

  • Sensnation

    Looking for a good omen for the coming season?

    2014-15 is the year Erik Karlsson makes 6.5 mil in salary, equal to 6.5 cap hit per year on his contract, equal to his #65!

    Career year here we come! :)

    • sens_bud

      GP: 80
      G: 26
      A: 60
      Points: 86
      +/- 12

      Norris bound

      • spezzerman

        and playoff bound if that is the case!

        • sens_bud

          Yeahhh Buddy, can karl carry an entire team on his back to the promise land? I sure will watch every game to find out. Here’s to Oct!

          • Sandy

            3 months away. Ughhhhhh

          • sens_bud

            August is the worst, close but yet so far away. And nothing, absolutely nothing happens in August. I thought summer was supposed to be the fun months?

      • Sensnation

        If he has found confidence in his ankle again defensively, Norris should definitely be in the cards.

  • FistsofNeil25

    Elliotte Friedman@FriedgeHNIC

    Hearing that there is mutual interest between ANA and Dany Heatley

    • CohMa

      They’re probably short staffed at the concession stand

      • IAmThePaulrus

        a few seasons back he had two back to back 50 hot-dog periods!

    • sens_bud

      They do have a fourth line LW spot open now that Daniel Winnik is gone.

      • Sandy

        They just re-signed Winnik.

        • FistsofNeil25

          When was this?

          • sens_bud

            Like dogs on raw meat.

          • Sandy

            My mistake. It was Wingels who re-signed in SJ.
            Ooops.

    • Pasky

      They are weak on the left side so it makes sense for both guys. Anaheim adds depth and Heatley gets a chance at a cup as a secondary piece.

    • Sandy

      He is as far away from an Anaheim type player as you can get.

  • Jakester

    What did Vanek and Moulson re-up for?

    • FistsofNeil25

      Vanek got 3Y @ 6.5M per and Moulson got 5Y @ 5M per

      • Pasky

        So Ryan getting 7M+ a year isn’t that big of a stretch to imagine. Vanek did take a pay cut to be in Minnesota.

    • Sensnation

      That’s a good point, does Ryan deserve more than Vanek?

      Vanek – 30yrs, 277g, 279a, 556pts in 663 games (0.84pts/game)
      Ryan – 27yrs, 170g, 167a, 337pts in 448 games (0.75pts/game)

      Though Vanek did make 7.1+mil on his last contract, due to the offer sheet. Really like the comparison!

      • thepez

        I think you can compare Kessel with Ryan as well.
        Kessel – 26yrs, 222g, 237a, 459pts in 586 games (0.78pts/game)
        Although I think Kessel makes about 1.5-2 million too much you can thank the Laffs for that

        • Sensnation

          Kessel is a much better goal scorer. Goals = more money.

          • thepez

            If you do the math Ryan and Kessel over their careers they score goals at the same pace (Ryan and Kessel 0.38/game)

          • Sensnation

            Ryan started playing with Getzlaf and Perry reasonably early on in his career while Kessel was in the coach’s doghouse. This is the only reason the per game stat is close.

            In the last 3 years it looks like Kessel has 94 goals in 212 games (0.44), Ryan has 65 in 198 games (0.32).

            This is the year for Ryan to make noise and prove he can be back on par with the Kessels and doesn’t need all stars on his line to put up high numbers.

      • sens_bud

        I think Ryan brings more to the game then Vanek does. Hes a grittier player with a stronger defensive game. Might not have the offensive point production Vanek does YET, but he’s still quite the sniper.

      • Pasky

        To me the fact that Ryan is 3 years younger and Vanek did take a discount to go play in Minnesota are big factors in this. Also Ryan would be considered a star of this team while Vanek is more in the background compared to Parise, Suter and Koivu (captain and fan favorite).

        I still say Ryan gets between 7-7.5M a year and it’ll be a fair contract, but make it a 5 or 6 year deal at the most.

        • Jakester

          I think 6,5 million max.

  • jtf927

    with all due respect to ryan, i do not believe he is worth kane or toews money. i would say between 5-6 mill max.

    • Sensnation

      Half of Kane or Toews money? Is he really half the player they are? If we can get him at 5-6mil, sign him for 8 years.

      • jtf927

        oh absolutely. sign him for a longer term if he agrees. but there is no way ryan is the equivalent of toews. toews is probably the most complete player in the game today.

        • sens_bud

          100% agreed, but I have yet to see someone suggest we drop 10.5 mil over 8 years (and I’ve been on here all day, believe me) on Ryan. I think its agreed that Ryan is roughly 66 – 76% the player those two are. Thus falling in the 7 – 8 mil per year range.

          • jtf927

            ryan is a pure goal scorer. he is a younger and better version of dany heatley. but he does not bring much else to his game. i understand that it is important to keep stars around, but anything close to what toews or kane are making would be a ridiculous move by the organization.

          • sens_bud

            You saying that 7-8 is too close to 10.5?

          • SENSible Voice

            With all due respect, Heatley was a better sniper than Ryan during his prime. Heatley’s best years saw him net 41, 50, 50, 41, 39 and 39 goals. Ryan’s best years saw him score 31, 35, 34 and 31 goals. He probably would have hit the 30 goal mark once more last season if not for his injury. We do need to sign him up long term but not quite an elite player so his salary should reflect that. Problem is, you’ll get some idiotic GM who will give him the moon if he hits UFA. So what is the cut-off point before you say it’s too much? I’d like to sign him for 6.5 ideally but I wouldn’t go over 8M.

          • jtf927

            agreed. i say younger and better b/c while ryan snipes, he also drives the nest, is faster, and throws the body. things heatley never really added to his game. 6.5 would be ideal, and absolutely 8 and over would be too much.

        • Sensnation

          Not equivalent for sure, I just would expect a more middle ground between half way there and all the way there.

    • Spoons

      Melnyk? is that you? That’s how you lose your star players. Ryan knows he can get 8M long term on open market.

      • sens_bud

        Good ol Melnyk poking his face in here. He’s still confused why players are refusing his low ball offers he forces BM to make public.

        • Spoons

          Thing is, we got lucky with Alfie and now with Turris. Melnyk thinks we can build a team of players payed 3/4 of what they’re worth.

    • Sandy

      Ryan is going to make just over 5.5M in salary next season. He will want at least 6.5-7M after that.
      MacA is making about 3.2M salary for next season so he probably comes in around 4.5-5M.

      • Sensnation

        You’re numbers sound dead on to me. If we can sign them under either of those it is a win for management. Much higher and we’re probably looking to trade them.

        I’d give MacA 4×4.5mil and Ryan 6×6.5 right now if they’d accept.

        • sprucesens

          yup, ryan should definitely come in around 6.5 mill, with 7 being tops. He’s the best goal scorer we’ve had since heatley, and is still young. He’s hit 30 goals more often than not in his career, which is something only a handful of players in this league can say. we have him now, don’t let him walk, or we’ll have a MASSIVE hole to fill when he leaves. No return at the deadline would fill it.

          • WaitingSince92

            Changing my mind on MacArthur… I feel like he might be able to get 6M on the open market – not saying that isn’t an overpayment. I think his agent would argue (and perhaps rightly so) basically that all the numbers we’re talking about (in this thread) are right on – for last year. A 5M player isn’t what it was a couple of seasons ago, or even last season.

            I assume agents use every tool they have, and adjusting for an inflating cap just seems diligent.

          • WaitingSince92

            OK maybe not 6, but $5.5…

  • thepez

    EK65 has 5 more years on his contract and is owed 35 million (7 million per, cap hit 6.5) A fair contract for Ryan would be 6 years for 42 million (this way they do not become UFA’s at the same time)

    • Michenator

      It’s interesting, because EK should be the highest payed player on the team IMO. So, by that standard nobody else deserves more than 7 mil per season. This does seem odd and obscure to me but I think if we can offer BR 6.5 per season with term, that should do it. BUT I imagine we’re offering a low ball amount that is definitely around or less than 6 mil.

      It’d be nice to know what the deal is, but! we also can’t allow ourselves to worry too much. Bryan Murray and his team will figure it out. To let Bobby Ryan go would be insane for this franchise, especially after the Alfie shite.

      • Hax

        Eh.

        We fell into that “highest paid player” trap with Alfie then the market changed and Spezza/Heatley were worth $7M. Ryan getting more than Karlsson doesn’t mean he’s better or more valuable, it just means that was his value when his contract came up.

        • WaitingSince92

          Pretty good parallel there. The whole “highest paid player” thing will always become irrelevant as the cap rises. Makes me think all hell will break loose with NHL rosters the first year the cap drops, should that ever happen.

          Can you just imagine what Ryan’s agent thinks about the “highest paid player” thing? Little to nothing, I’d imagine.

      • spezzerman

        Karlsson loves seeing guys get paid more than he does – he has to sign another contract some day and wants as many comparables as possible.

  • zippy

    Saw this on twitter RE: Getting Evander Kane: “If they want Lehner and Lazar, I’d probably do that deal. Kane is Lazar’s absolute best case outcome.”

    The only issue I have with this is Lazar has boatloads of character on and off the ice, which I don’t see in Kane.

    • sens_bud

      No Thanks. Spent too much time grooming Lehner, and lazar just puts a smile on my face every time I watch one of his interviews. Glad he’s a part of the org.

    • IAmThePaulrus

      that’s exactly why i feel we need to steer clear of Kane.. i’d hate to lose a future captain and end up with a problem down the line for slightly better points totals

    • Sandy

      I wouldn’t do that trade. If they want Lehner and Lazar they can keep Kane.

      Kane is a really good young player, but Lehner will be the future in goal for the Sens and Lazar will become a fan favourite.
      There are other options for them to pick if it comes to that.

      • zippy

        Conversely, if Evander Kane had Lazar’s character…they probably wouldn’t be trading him. In other words…he will become our problem

    • sprucesens

      yeah, that’s a horrible deal for us. I would say lazar’s best case is probably close to the same as kane’s best case. Kane has broke 20 goals once in his career, and it was a 30 goal season. Every other season its been in the high teens, which is more than doable for a guy like lazar, who will come with a team first captain type attitude.

    • Jakester

      Wouldn’t be surprised if we trade for Kane that Lehner is in the trade. It would be Lehner and a couple of guys with a bit of salary. Who knows. Then you re-up Anderson for a couple of extra years. No Lazar that would be stupid.

  • FistsofNeil25

    7 years @ 6M per season for Corey Schneider.

    • Sensnation

      Really wish we had signed Lehner before that got out. It’s not a comparison, it just shows the market has inflated beyond the old comparisons.

      His old contract, 3yr x 4mil (3.5, 4, 4.5) is probably what Lehner is looking for.

      • FistsofNeil25

        I think 6M is pretty good value for Schneider. He’s one of the better goaltenders in the league. He’s top 10 in my books.

        • Sensnation

          Top 10 when he’s on for sure. I agree with the contract, just wish it came out after.

          6mil puts him tied with Rask at 7th in goaltender salaries I believe, behind Rinne, Quick, Luongo, Ward, Miller, Lehtonen. I think he’s better than Ward or Luongo currently, but one has a cup the other almost did.

          He’s making more than Price and even Fleury who’s won it all.

          • FistsofNeil25

            As far as salary goes he will be the 12th highest paid goaltender for the 2015/2016 when his new contract kicks in.

            Although he hasn’t been a work horse for either New Jersey or Vancouver in terms of games played, he’s consistently been near the top of the league in GAA and SV% for the last three years at least.

      • Jakester

        Lehner, won’t get that , 2,5 to 3 million. Like I’ve said before not even sure Lehner is the goalie of the future, I think Driedger is that guy. So I hope the Sens don’t do something stupid.

        • Sensnation

          I’m in agreement that we want Lehner in the 2.5-3mil range, just looking at contracts he may try to compare himself to. I still think Lehner is the future, but Driedger is sure making his name known. Best case they are both fighting it out in 2-3 years making each other better.

    • HamadBo$$

      If miller can get 6m then this is a good deal ;)

    • Jakester

      What a ridiculous contract.

  • FistsofNeil25

    Did Ottawa and Derek Grant avoid arbitration? Kypreos is saying he signed a one year two-way deal.

    • Hax

      That’s Alex Grant that signed. Derek has a hearing set for July 24th if they don’t settle before then.

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  • Sandy

    I don’t usually agree with blowhard Shawn Simpson, but in this case he makes a point.

    Shawn Simpson @TSNSimmer · 3h

    You need to spend to make money. Not in UFA stupidity. But in retention of current roster. Build and win. Revenues follow. Or it collapses!

    • Hax

      With Spezza gone, Simmer is officially the new “giggles”. But yes he does make the occasional good point.

      I don’t think anyone in Ottawa would mind us not blowing money on overpriced UFAs if we retain the players we already know have value.

      • Sandy

        That right now is the main question. Will he spend to retain.

        • Hax

          And in fairness to Melnyk, he hasn’t proven that one way or the other – yet. The next few weeks (or maybe it drags into the season) should answer that once and for all.

        • Sensnation

          Agree with everything you both said. So far he’s done it with Karlsson, Turris, Cowen. Lehner and Ryan up next!

          • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

            Lehner reupped?

          • Sensnation

            I think you missed the period after Cowen. It says “Lehner and Ryan up next!”

          • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

            Hahaha Damn it that’s what I get for reading quickly while the wife is in a change room hahahha

          • Sensnation

            Haha, no worries.

  • Sandy

    Pierre LeBrun @Real_ESPNLeBrun · 2h

    Vacation tweet: Note that Kane/Toews deals are front-loaded as well as the fact they include $44 million each in signing bonuses

    • Sensnation

      $44 mil to sign on a doted line? Where did my life go wrong haha

      • Brock

        Here. Take 10.5 million per season. Oh, and here’s 44 million just because we like you.

        • MisterUtterbag

          In-fn-sane. That’s beyond crazy

        • Jakester

          What r the cap hits the 44 million has to show up in the total?

  • FistsofNeil25

    Heater gets 1 year @ 1M with Anaheim.

    • PraiseAlfie11

      He’s a superstar!

    • jtf927

      little surprised by that signing. but i guess they want him to play with kesler. problem is that he doesn’t play a fast and checking game. he won’t be able to keep up with kesler.

      • Andrews theory

        One year at one million who gives a shit if he’s a healthy scratch half the year. He can still score a bit

        • jtf927

          yeah that’s fair. still, the game today is so fast. heatley is slow as s**t.

  • Magnus Nor

    Arggh can´t get trough a Blues fan who thinks Karlsson sucks so bad :PPP

    • SensChirp

      Yeesh. Anyone who thinks Karlsson “sucks” isn’t really worth arguing about. Assuming he’s the type of fan that thinks you need a Barret Jackman type rather than Erik Karlsson.

  • PraiseAlfie11

    Totally off topic, but anyone have suggestions for parking around bluesfest?

    • Not Eugene Melnyk

      Park at an oc transpo park and ride that’s somewhat close and then just bus a couple stops. Costs a few bucks but you can somewhat skip the mess.

      • PraiseAlfie11

        Thanks!

    • sens88

      I drive over to the Gatineau side and park on one of the side streets. Rue Wellington usually has spots. It’s a 15 min walk to Lebreton

    • Conor_smythe

      print yourself a counterfeit handicap parking sticker thing.. then just park wherever you want

    • SENSsmile

      If I tell you my secret, then everyone will know and I will lose my spot. :-)

  • zippy

    Is Anyone selling the Bryan Murray cancer tshirt locally?

    • zippy

      I noticed the shirts were $29 US, 9 bucks for delivery. I wanted to buy one, but kind of hoped to avoid some of the delivery charges.

      • SensChirp

        Great idea. Great cause. And certainly good intentions by the people making them. Unfortunately don’t know much about the site or how Murray himself feels about the idea.

  • peetypuck

    The Hockey News has a story on the 2015 draft prospects. Possibly four franchise players up for grabs next year. Two centres and two D-men.

    • Spoons

      That article doesn’t help. Hyping the 2015 draft makes me want to lose it all and try & nab as many 1st rounders as possible. Sounds like a 2003 & 2008 draft comparable plus add a generational player to boot!.

    • Conor_smythe

      by the time it is draft day, everybody will be saying “this years draft is not very deep…but NEXT year will be good”

      it happens every year

      every draft is equally deep, just gotta know which players to pick

      • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

        Or not

        • Conor_smythe

          orrrrrrrr yes.. try to have more than a 3 month attention span, it happens every single year.. read up

          • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

            Again…. Or not

          • In the Bleachers

            GEEZ – get a room you two

          • Conor_smythe

            time will tell.. I’ll be back to say I told you so

          • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

            Oh I know you’ll be back… Just highly doubt the second part happens.

      • Spoons

        Not really. Unless you you listen to what Craig Button has to say. Most people knew 2014 was a weak draft. Sorry to hear you missed the memo.

        • Conor_smythe

          it happens every year.. sorry you missed the pattern..

          they always say “this year sucks, next year will be better” and then next year arrives and they say “this year sucks, next year will be better”

          over and over ad infinity

          meanwhile, the same percentage of players from every draft year make it into the NHL

          • Sensnation

            I would disagree. Leading up to the 2013 draft we heard it would be a stronger draft than the upcoming 2014 draft. I do agree all the way up to the 2014 draft we heard how 2015 would be better and deeper, but we knew that in 2013.

            I know we hear often that following year will be better, but it makes sense to hear it close to half the time because one year has to be better than the next or the last. It can’t continually get better or worse and I don’t feel that is the message we get. They do however build up the upcoming draft and prospects every year as it approaches, this is done to generate interest in the offseason activities of the team and sport.

      • WaitingSince92

        Just look at the first rounds in a year like 2002 (Nash, Bouwmeester, Lupul, Semin, Steen & Ward) and compare it to 2003 (Staal, Suter, Horton, Vanek, Brown, Seabrook, Parise, Getzlaf, Kesler, Richards & Perry).

        Knowing where to look is always a big part of it, but not all draft years are created equal. It is a demonstrable fact – certainly after the draft, and to a certain extent, before it.

      • peetypuck

        Hockey development in the US is beginning to produce lots of new talent. There seems to be a serious increase in top end hockey prospects coming. We could see a couple of new franchises joining the NHL soon.

  • ProfessorPower

    anybody see this Evander Kane article? dogging the question haha
    http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/sports/hockey/jets/Evander-Kane-fuels-trade-rumours-266298211.html

  • SensChirp

    After a few days of waiting, starting to wonder about this mystery trade. Nobody I’ve spoken with really has any insight into what it could be. Which is a little strange. I’ve heard “still working on something” but I’m a tad skeptical.

    Maybe the Senators really are done?

    • Dirk-Diggler

      Can’t be done.. we have too many bodies… unless Ceci, Lazar and Pageau/Prince start the year in the minors.

  • SensChirp

    I like Curtis Lazar but where does he fit this coming season? Unless they can move out a couple guys, is there really any room?

    MacArthur-Turris-Ryan
    Michalek-Legwand-Chiasson
    Hoffman-Zibanejad-Stone
    Greening-Smith-Neil
    Condra

    Methot-Karlsson
    Cowen-Ceci
    Wiercioch-Gryba
    Phillips

    • Deadly

      With Mike Fisher being out,is there a deal with Nashville available? They were talking about Spezza so you know at least there were discussions going on.

    • SENSible Voice

      Agreed… there is no room for him unless a spot opens up via an injury or trade. I don’t get how most on here have him on the roster as a sure thing. There are other rookies who will be trying to make an impression. I will be surprised if Lazar makes the team… and stays more than 9 games.

    • SENSible Voice

      By the way, that line-up is OK. The 3rd line is a bit scary though… major lack of experience but there is some potential there. Defense is intact from last year… yes, the same squadron that sucked royally last year. So I guess the thinking with management is that it was just an abnormality and not indicative of what they truly are. I hope they are right because seeing Cowen and Gryba on there is depressing. If there is a deal in the making, I hope it includes a solid D.

    • EK65

      I think you have to flip Zibanejad the 2nd line C spot and give him a chance to shine. I think one of Hoffman/Greening/Stone for a pick to make room for Lazar.

      Lazar is too good for the CHL, can’t go to the AHL, gotta stay in the N.

      • zippy

        Greening should be the guy out.

        But in actuality Lazar will likely be too good for the 4th line (by Christmas IMO). It’ll be a race between Hoffman/Stone/Lazar.

        We should expect Stone will be the most attractive in the trade market.

        Hoffman C 5″11″ 175
        Stone RW 6’2″ 188.

        Of course that also depends on if Lazar fits best at C. Then Hoffman is toast.

        • EK65

          Murray mentioned when signing Hoffman that he’ll have to go through waivers if demoted, and there’s no way he will clear. Sadly, I see that as the most likely outcome.

          • zippy

            Tim is waiting in Buff. Count on it

    • Jakester

      They will make room.

    • CUP 2014-15

      If this team truly is spending wisely and not just being cheap, then he has a chance to crack the line-up without concerns of spending one of his years on his ELC. The right side has not been this good since Alfie, Hossa and Havlet. I would say that if CL shows he is ready, the team will need to move either Chiasson or Ryan to the port side. I don’t think Stone has played there before. Ryan to the left side of Zibby, move Stone to KT’s right, where he finished last year and the right side spot opens up. Outside of that, I don’t see Neil coming out or CL playing 4th line. That being said, I would not argue with a 4th line of ZS between Lazar and Greening to start. I am having a hard time with the 4th because I thought that CG, ZS and CN would have been a great 4th but they did not look very good very often last year.

    • my2sens

      What kind of contract does the Boro have?

      • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

        One way

        • my2sens

          So wouldn’t we want to keep Boro at the NHL level?

          What a cluster-fuck!

          • Harv

            It’s that Phillips contract.

          • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

            I’m not sure what boro situation is on waivers.. One way typically only has to do with pay rate.. If it’s one way he gets paid the same in bingo or in Ottawa.

            But yes… There still has to be a move.. There is no way melnyk is paying boro to play in bingo

          • my2sens

            One way means wherever he is playing he is getting NHL $$.

            Can’t see Euge doing that.

          • spezzerman

            he is paying the money regardless. Something has to give and Boro would almost certainly clear waivers at the start of the season when everyone has their rosters and no one is injured. After all, we are talking about a 25 year old #8 dman. Everyone has them

          • Cassidaus

            They paid O’Brien 600k last year to play in the AHL. I don’t think it’s that much of a stretch.

          • FistsofNeil25

            It also means he’s not longer waiver exempt. I may be in the minority but I would really like to see Borowiecki get a shot this year. I know he won’t probably won’t be a regular but he’s an Ottawa boy who’s done everything the organization has asked from him since being drafted. He’s an incredibly hard worker. If he doesn’t get his shot this year, he never will.

            Unfortunately for guys like Borowiecki and Wiercioch, they’re likely going to fall victim of Chris Phillips new two year contract extension. As much as most of us hope that he’s the seventh defenseman on this team we all know that he will be in the line-up every single night while a younger player has to watch from the press box.

            Wiercioch should be a regular in our line-up on the bottom pairing but that’s Phillips spot and the Big Rig isn’t going anywhere for another two years. His contract extension is the reason why our blueline is such a mess.

          • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

            I hate that contract more by the day

    • Harv

      My thought is you have to move Greening somehow, if you want to make room. Moving Condra as well would be less urgent. If we are stuck with Greening then move Condra but only if Lazar is going to be an NHL player.

    • senate19

      I think Lazar’s accomplished all he can accomplish right now and by all accounts he’s ready for the big league. I would trust his passion to carry him. Seems like a winner to me – no way he’s not on the team in October. They’ll have to sit guys or move them

      • sens88

        If he could go play in Bingo it wouldn’t be as big of a deal for him to not make it onto the Sens roster, but I think Management probably agrees that he’s really learned all he can in Junior. It should be interesting

    • FistsofNeil25

      As of right now there isn’t any room for Lazar, at least not if both Stone and Hoffman make the team which I think we’re all hoping for. There are a few options I guess.

      The maximum roster size is 23 players and once Lehner signs a new contract our roster will be full. With the roster you posted about, we’ll have 11 forwards, 7 defenseman (including Borowiecki) and 2 goaltenders on one-way contracts, and Zibanejad, Stone, and Ceci on two-ways.

      Assuming there isn’t another trade, are we more likely to carry 13 forwards and 8 defenseman or 14 forwards and 7 defenseman to reach the roster limit, or will we only carry 22 players on the roster?

      There’s no way Lazar stays in the NHL unless he’s a regular in the line-up. They won’t have him watching games in the press box. Smith and Neil are likely never to be a healthy scratch, so that would leave Lazar’s promotion at the expense of Hoffman being waived or Stone being demoted. I don’t really like either of those options.

    • Jakester

      THats why I’ve been saying the bottom 4 guys in your forward lineup have to move on to make room for the young guys! They aren’t critical to us winning – Far from it! But I take all the flack when I say this – plus not even sure Lehner is considered the goalie of the the future – i think the team is banking on Driedger(better mechanics).

      • FistsofNeil25

        Even if that were true about Driedger how far away is he? 5 or 6 years?

  • my2sens

    I truly hope the Sens aren’t done and that we don’t have another season of musical bench.

    We need to ice a team and stick with, let them build chemistry and go from there.

    Trouble is, who do we trade? Greening? Or do we move a character player such as Neil? Young prospect?

    • CUP 2014-15

      Can’t see the team moving CN. BM has always shown loyalty to players who have been loyal to the organization and if you remember when CN went UFA before this contract, BM stated they could not figure out his dollar value so he went on the market, called BM told him what the NYR offered and BM matched to keep him as he didn’t want to leave.

  • Harv

    My concern is that a lot of folks here want something to happen in terms of a trade and don’t seem to care who gets thrown into the mix. Trading or giving away Greening for a draft pick or future considerations, if that is possible, works for me. He has been given the opportunity and has failed to live up to expectations. I would be willing to give him another shot but we have too many good prospects in the wings. Throwing Condra away doesn’t make sense unless we are opening a spot for Lazar. Condra still brings something to the table if Lazar is going back the junior. Stone should be an untouchable. Why are we looking for a forward and trading Stone to get one. He is large, has great hands, goes to the tough areas of the ice and has shown improvement every year. Oh, yes, and he apparently can score goals. Hoffman has earned a good look this year. If he can perform half as well as he did in Bingo why would we trade him?

    Seems to me the rebuild is coming along nicely and we should see what this team looks like without Spezza before we panic. Go with what we got. I think it looks pretty good.

    • CUP 2014-15

      Could not agree more with our prospects. The one problem is that we need to move a forward and a D to have working numbers or someone will get caught in the numbers game to avoid loosing players for nothing. The only players we can send down and not need to clear are CC and Stone and I can’t even think of those two being sent down to keep the likes of Boro or CP on the backend and CG or EC up front. The forward group will be good as is if CL can’t cut the lineup but I think this kid is going to be someone the team doesn’t want to loose for the year and if he goes back to JR. It’s good-bye til next year and there will be a time during the year where we look at that move and simply say…F#@K

      • Harv

        I agree something has to break. I just don’t like some of the proposals I am reading here. Hopefully, management has a different view. I would hate to see Ceci and Stone start the year in Bingo. We are worried about “messages”? What message would that send to our young guys? We are stuck with Phillips and that contract is going to cause at least one problem on defence. We are stuck with Neil because there is no way BM will trade him and no way McLean will not play him. We seem to be stuck with Greening because he has proven to be a bust. Lazar is caught between the NHL and junior. He would really benefit from a year in Bingo. I am also concerned at losing Prince.

        I just do not see the need for a trade when we have so much talent. I would make a trade only for draft picks next year.

  • Frankie Fives

    So, lots of talk on Twitter about Bobby Ryan. Chirp, have you heard anything about his extension? I highly doubt he wants to stay on a rebuilding team. If he won’t re-up before the season starts, they must trade him. Target Philly: Brayden Schenn, 2015 1st plus a prospect (and maybe a bad contract to make it happen)

    • Sandy

      Who’s doing the ‘talking’ about Ryan? Fans?
      He can always sign here and do the trade me if he doesn’t like the direction the team is going in.
      Not signing him now will be a huge PR nightmare for the team. They have had enough negativity around the team with the Owner basically becoming public enemy #1 in Ottawa.

    • SensChirp

      Not a word. Was thinking we would hear something on July 1 but word I’m now getting is to not expect anything right away. Whatever that means.

      • WaitingSince92

        I kind of assumed as important as he is, he would be signed July 1st, as with happens with a lot of players an organization wants to lock up. The longer it goes, the worse the sign.

        • spezzerman

          well, only what, four players have signed extensions so far? Toews, Kane, Shneider and Cam Fowler I believe?

  • whammer44

    Can we just wait and see how Lazar does against NHL competition before we complete his full canonization?

    • PraiseAlfie11

      Or immediate captaincy.

    • FistsofNeil25

      Nope. I’m already picturing his #27 jersey hanging from the rafters at CTC and I can already hear his Hall of Fame induction night speech.

    • spezzerman

      thats what we are doing. Nothing wrong with discussing whether he is better off in the NHL next year or another year of Junior where he wont be challenged.

  • Gavin Ray

    If we were to trade colin greening, shane prince and a defenceman for a solid top 6, our lineup could look like:

    Player X – ZBad – Ryan
    MacA – KT – Stone
    Michalek – Legwand – Chiasson
    Hoffman – Smith – Condra/Neil

    I really like that third line if they can be physical

    • peetypuck

      I’m not so sure Murray wants to take on any more players. Maybe prospects or draft picks.

      • Kohlmanator

        I used to think that as well. If they do go after a top 6 or even a top 3 forward, it is showing a commitment to winning towards convincing Ryan to stay (to a lesser extent, Mac and Methot too).

        • peetypuck

          Do you really think that we will get a top 3 or top 6 forward for Greening, Prince and/or bottom 6 d-man?

          • Kohlmanator

            Roster player, prospect (or two) and a 2nd round pick gets you Jason Spezza. So yeah, probably.

          • sens_bud

            I think if the situation was right we could perhaps stick a decent second line LW for those pieces. If you include Wiercioch. It all depends on what a team believes they need, their overall situation and what their surplus is.

        • MethotToMyMadness

          The fact that Murray has said (mystery trade) he was working on something big to bring in a top player, means that Murray does want to bring in more players, at least one, that he feels would help. But whether that actually happens or not is unknown.

  • senate19

    Any word on Alfie yet? Just sayin’, still hasn’t signed has he?

    • spezzerman

      he has said he will decide whether to return in August.

      • Gavin Ray

        We could use him in our lineup:
        Ryan – ZBad – Alfie
        This would be a great line, but I doubt that he wants to return to Ottawa and I doubt that management would want him back.

        • WaitingSince92

          Enough already. He’s not coming back. This is beyond fantasy. No need to ‘pencil him in’ anywhere except for either Detroit, or his retirement chair.

          • Sandy

            Agreed. As long as Melnyk owns the team, Alfie will never be coming back to Ottawa.

          • spezzerman

            he is 42. That’s ok.

    • Harv

      Please! Not, Alfie again. Let’s move on.

      • CUP 2014-15

        But, but, but we need a right winger, or wait that’s a left winger. Enough already, this is Karl and KT’s team end of story.

  • Gavin Ray

    If we dont take on any more players we will likely play with:

    MacA – Turris – Ryan
    Hoffman – ZBad – Stone
    Michalek – Legwand – Chiasson
    *Callup – Smith – Neil/Condra

    *If one of condra or neil can play the left side, then they can switch sides or Ottawa can use callups to fill this position. I would suggest David Dziurzynski.

    • FistsofNeil25

      What happened to Greening?

      • Gavin Ray

        Traded him for prospects/picks like peety said

        • FistsofNeil25

          But there’s no point in doing that unless it’s to make room for someone like Lazar. You’re trading Greening for picks to make room for Dziurzynski?

          • Harv

            I agree. Only trade Greening or Condra if we are opening a spot for our own prospects.

          • Gavin Ray

            I simply suggested Dziurzynsky (man that’s hard to spell) as a possible call-up, I’m sure Lazar will play his 9 games and return to junior, but I want to see the likes of the three Ps:
            Puempel, Prince, Pageau

          • spezzerman

            even at his worst Greening is still better than Dziurzynski

          • Gavin Ray

            But Greening is overpaid on a budget team… take your pick, each has their flaws.

          • spezzerman

            that means nothing to me if we are talking about replacing him with Dziurzynski. He is expendable obviously but I’m also of the belief he deserves to actually play under his new contract before we vilify him for it. 10 goals and consistent physical hockey on the 4th line with some PK time and I am happy. And I would rather they plop him in front of the net on the PP than Neil.

          • Pat D

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7k1S2juFDw

            nothing against DD but I agree with spezzerman

  • Dirk-Diggler

    Something has to happen because we have ‘too much talent’

    • Harv

      Gee, I thought we were never going to make the playoffs and we were competing for the McDavid pick? Many here are still all doom and gloom. Trade for picks next year.

      • SensChirp

        Well I mean, I wouldn’t say there is too much talent. Too many bodies. Still kind of low on talent.

        • Dirk-Diggler

          Anyone remember that Eugene quote from this past year?

          • Sandy

            Well it wasn’t buckle up.

          • Andrews theory

            Which contradictory statement was that?

          • Dirk-Diggler

            It was last year Melnyk said that the Sens had ‘Too much talent’ so that’s why they didn’t need to bring in anyone… It was in Dec/Jan sometime I think…

    • Gavin Ray

      Less talent, more bottom 6 forwards in Smith, Neil, Condra, Greening, Michalek, Chiasson and depending on their preformance Hoffman, Stone and Legwand.

    • FistsofNeil25

      “too much talent” should actually say “too many NHL caliber players”.

      We have one proven top line player (Bobby), four proven second line players (Turris, MacArthur, Michalek and Legwand), one third line (Chiasson) and four fourth liners (Greening, Condra, Smith, Neil), and three kids that don’t know what they are yet (Zibanejad, Hoffman and Stone).

      We have one top pairing defenseman (Karlsson), one top four (Methot), and six bottom pairing guys (Phillips, Cowen, Ceci, Gryba, Boro, Wiercioch).

      Needless to say there’s room for a quantity for quality trade. We have a handful of players that could be pushing for a NHL roster spot sooner rather than later (Lazar, Puempel, Prince, Pageau, Guptill, Grant).

      We can definitely afford to make a big trade to not only bring us in more actual talent to our top line, but to also clear a roster spot for a young player,

      Something has to give here. We don’t have a bad roster but it’s certainly not great either. It’s over crowded with guys that could play in the NHL but not enough game breakers.

      • Spoons

        Excellent post! I would put Ceci and Wiercioch in the “Kids that don’t know what they are yet” bracket. They have top 4 potential for sure.

        • FistsofNeil25

          Yeah true. Cowen can also go in that group.

      • sens_bud

        I certainly does look like we have too many NHL ready but not proven guys. Lots of guys right on the cusp but, unfortunately not enough roster spots to give them all a chance at once. Management needs to be careful here and if there is a quantity for quality trade i hope they make the right decisions on who to give and who to keep.

        If everything stays the same, it seems to be the making for very exciting, interesting and controversial training camp cuts.

  • Hax

    I think some folks that are expecting us to dump Greening for picks are going to be disappointed. Not saying I wouldn’t move him myself in the right deal to make room, but he’s a MacLean type player so moving him for a pick simply won’t happen.

    Hopefully he rebounds from a poor season and makes himself worthy of the third line.

    • spezzerman

      he is fine on the fourth line too. id prefer michalek, hoffman and mac there above him, obviously. If he scores 10 goals, which is entirely realistic, I’m fine with that.

    • MethotToMyMadness

      Greening is another guy who’s just genuinely nice and that comes out on the ice. He has a few games where we see a mean streak, like Cowen (see my comment above), and when that happens, Greening is much more effective. I think many of the Sens have something to prove this year, hopefully Greening will be one of those guys.

  • dasammy89

    A lot of our success next year will depend on COWEN..check out his interview : http://senators.nhl.com/club/blogpost.htm?id=30510

    • Dirk-Diggler

      Ya, he gave a lot of cookie cutter answers but I am happy that he’s focused on training and being ready for camp. I still have a ton of faith in him and hope he rebounds in a big way…

      • MethotToMyMadness

        I really want to see a Cowen who is pumped up, in shape and ready to prove himself. This is the year he needs to show the people who’ve been criticizing him, that he’s for real. If he can find that mean streak in himself, he will elevate to a whole new level. Please Cowen, work on that!!!

        • Andrews theory

          They should start every game by having Neil smack him in the face and flick him in the nuts to make him crazzzzzy

        • FistsofNeil25

          I don’t think he needs to find a mean streak. He needs to find a brain and play smart positional hockey and make good decisions with the puck. Those are his biggest issues. He runs around too much and because he isn’t the greatest skater he’s often found out of position because of it.

    • spezzerman

      nice read, I am excited to see his turnaround next year (not a pivot pun, haha)

    • KingKarlsson84 – RSU is pathet

      If Cowen has another season like he did last year then we will for sure be picking top 3 haha

  • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

    Ott resigning with blues… Good won’t be here

    • Hax

      Frees them up to trade Berglund here (kidding)

  • FistsofNeil25

    Wow Sobotka signed in the KHL. I guess he wasn’t happy that St Louis elected to take him to arbitration. I guess that’s why they re-signed Ott. Sobotka is a huge loss for them if he’s actually gone.

  • Dirk-Diggler

    Maybe the Sens can trade for Hossa AND Sharp… hahaha pipedream…
    But that would be pretty awesome… Imagine if we could unload Greening, Smith, Gryba and get those guys?

    • sens_bud

      Would be the steal of the decade, their GM would have to be some sorta drunk though.

    • CUP 2014-15

      Why the hell would you want to “unload” Gryba?

      • Dirk-Diggler

        I like Gryba but he falls in the same range as Boro and Phillips to me… they are all #6 D men at best. But, I’d rather Gryba>Phillips>Boro

        • CUP 2014-15

          He was better then CP last year and was our best PK Dman, he is also the much sought after RHD that few teams have 3 of. He is cheap at 1.25M and if we were to move him, who plays the right side, we sure as hell know it won’t be PW or JC. He just isn’t the skater or passer that PW is but PW can not win a puck battle with anyone and St Louis can take up position in the crease when he’s out there. I like PW but I will keep Gryba over him today, thanks.

  • MethotToMyMadness

    Someone below noted that Ott was resigned by the Blues. I don’t think it was originally intended, but since they lost Sobotka to the KHL, It made working out a new contract much easier.

    And also of note, Heatley signs a 1 year with the Ducks. That is the type of deal that has the possibility of working out very well for them, if he can find his old scoring touch and get some playing time on the top line.

  • FistsofNeil25

    There we go. Sens did re-sign Derek Grant after all. I think that just leaves Lehner as the only RFA left without a deal.

    • Hax

      Maybe they just photocopied Alex’s contract and did some editing? LOL

    • Hax

      Actually would assume the took his actual pay from last year (including the NHL games) and made sure his AHL pay was more than that at a minimum.

  • Pat D

    Realistically, who would you really be willing to give up for E.Kane?

    • Hax

      I don’t want him. Adding a possible problem like EKane should only be considered when the locker room is solid enough to handle it AND we need one more piece to push us over the top.

      Too soon.

      • FistsofNeil25

        I keep flip/flopping on Kane. I would love a player with his skillset (speed scoring, physicality) but I don’t want to bring in a player who wouldn’t be a fit in a smaller market like Ottawa. It would be no different than his current situation in Winnipeg.

        • spezzerman

          ya I am in the same boat. Yesterday I wasnt giving up Puempel for him and now I am giving up Cowen. ;) You’d need to certainly know he is excited to be in Ottawa and youd have to ask him what specifically he doesnt like in Winnpeg to know whether it woudl be the same situation. But if he wanted to come here, man, you have a power forward who will score 25-30g for at least 4 more of his prime years. Adn without a NTC you could still get good value for him in his final year if you knew he wanted to go to Market

          • Hax

            Certainly would change my tune as well if I knew he wanted to play here (for some reason) and was going to be a positive guy in the room and not a possible distraction etc.

          • spezzerman

            FWIW I dont give a shit about what he is speculated to be like. yesterday he was visiting kids in a hospital so who knows.

            His reputation is 99% based on that damn photo of him in vegas which was harmless IMO

            I’m not trying to be a dick, but you are being a tad hypocritical in the sense that you hate Garrioch and Brennen for doing the things that are 100% responsible for the Kane reputation. Its shitty Sun reporters looking for a cheap story. Why do you tolerate them for Kane?

          • Hax

            Agree – I’m just going based on the assumption that at least some of the rumors are true. The Jets appear to be done with them which isn’t a great sign. If his character matches Turris or something then I’m on board with getting him.

          • MethotToMyMadness

            The Photo, the reports that he skipped out on a bill at a restaurant, some scuffle in BC and there was also a scuffle in the Peg that may have caused his concussion. And to top if off, he ended up on TheDirty.com for being a douche. Just seems a lot of it could be avoided.

        • Pat D

          I think he has a better chance of winning in Ottawa… he would fit in great on a line with ZBad and Legwand. Hes a 20+ goal scorer and we would make a huge push with him in our line up. I wouldn’t give up Smith but I would give up Cowen because he can’t hurt us in Winnipeg. I would do Cowen, Greening, and Dal 2nd round pick. Wishful thinking but you never know

          • Sandy

            Do the Sens have strong enough leadership to keep this kid in line?
            That’s the issue with him. His skill is excellent, his attitude needs adjustment.

          • zippy

            And from what I’ve read it’s off ice issues, not on ice.

            That’s harder, because the old guys won’t be hanging with you off ice. (Ala Claudie Giroux)

    • MethotToMyMadness

      I’d give up my Ex Wife, and I’d throw in her Family.

      • Jordan Cunning

        would we have to retain salary on this deal?

        • zippy

          Keep the dog

      • zippy

        Smart thinking. And funny.

    • spezzerman

      based on what thei Jets version of Garrioch said they want a top 6F or a top 4D with term as a centerpiece. Cowen could qualify there and a player like Kane would be who I would give him up for. Cowen, Smith and that 2015 second is as much as I’d give for Kane, who in all liklihood wants to play in a bigger market anyway. But at least you would get at least 4 of his prime years

  • FistsofNeil25

    Grant is another guy that’s an NHL player but is falling victim to the numbers game. If we’re going to have such a strict internal budget, doesn’t it make sense to have a really cheap fourth line and play guys like Grant instead of paying Greening 2.65M? Does it make sense to pay 2.5M to a 6th/7th defenseman like Chris Phillips?

    It’s stuff like this that really does frustrate me. We have enough cheap NHL caliber talent in this organization that can play at the bottom of the roster, yet we pay guys like Greening and Phillips a lot of money instead of using it towards a top six forward or a top four defenseman.

    • Hax

      They didn’t intend Greening to be a fourth liner – not this coming season anyway when his contract kicks in. If they don’t feel he can play top 9 then he should be moved for sure.

      As for Phillips, I’m constantly baffled how people put zero value on experience. If we had more experienced D then sure, dump Phillips if you want, but with the potential that four of our top 7 will have next to zero NHL games you need Phillips.

      • spezzerman

        I definitely agree with you that experience is nice, especially with such a young core, but you need to back it up with Skill. Phillips was terrible last year and he needs to be better to keep justifying Weircioch sitting in his place.

        • Hax

          I think it’s more than “nice” and think Phillips was better than “terrible”.

          • spezzerman

            fair enough, and I wasnt tryign to condescending although I can see how it came out that way. I was being genuine. That said, I’d prefer Cowen, Methot and weircioch on the left side every night and Phillips as the #7.

          • Hax

            Didn’t think you were condescending.

            Put it this way, if we could trade Phillips and Cowen for some stud with ~250 NHL games to play the left side then I’d do it.

            Though you do have to factor in the fact that we just extended him and also lost Alfie/Spezza etc.

          • sens_bud

            Would the reputation of the organization get any worse if we trade Phillips? After Alfie and Spezza leaving the way they did?

          • Hax

            Not sure honestly. Would be worried mostly about the boys on the team right now. How much is Phillips liked? Can I swing a trade that Phillips actually welcomes and the team feels is a step in the right direction? Or would it look like Phillips bailed or was sort of forced out?

            Too many variables I have absolutely no insight into.

          • sens_bud

            Very true, I guess more importantly it is how our own players view the organization and less about how others outside view it. Until July first comes around. Even then contenders aren’t built on that day.

          • spezzerman

            want to add; I do think Methot can provide that experience and leadership just as well as Phillips

          • Hax

            But after him comes Karlsson in experience … then Cowen (157 games) … Then you have Wiercioch, Ceci and Borowiecki with next to zero NHL experience. Just seems thin for a D-corps to me.

          • spezzerman

            well, how much do you need? Skill wins games over experience. Experience is valued when you can talk to guys to calm them down, explain situations, etc. One guy can do that for a group. And Karlsson is going to be our next captain, so he will also be providing that. I’d say we are all set.
            And Phillips would still be around to do that as a #7, ideally.

          • Hax

            Talking on the ice as well as in the room. It’s not black-and-white, I get that. And a young group isn’t a guaranteed problem. But if we just dropped Phillips (for the sake of argument) you’re then asking a lot of young guys to step up and mature quickly. Not impossible but a risk. Also puts a lot of pressure on Methot and Karlsson to shoulder pretty much all the leadership (even with 150 games I don’t see Cowen as even established yet, let alone a veteran).

          • spezzerman

            I do see your point. Coaches play a role here too in teaching obviously. I’m not on the bench so I dont know how much actual coaching is going on from Phillips or other leaders on the bench. I assume he needs to focus on catching his breath after a shift first. ;) jk

          • Hax

            Of course. I’m basing it on my assumptions that the younger D will need some one-on-one mentoring even on the ice. If I were the GM and MacLean told me “yeah we don’t need Phillips or any added veterans” then that would be different of course.

          • sens_bud

            I think experience is important both on and off the ice. On the ice ya they can come down players and talk to the bench and give motivational information and speeches. Phillips can help in some of those departments.

            I think experience is also important and maybe even more important for off the ice. How to be a pro. They go through a tough schedule for 6-7 months of the year, are on the road a lot and most of these kids aren’t used to that type of life style for that long. Experience is important to show these young kids what it takes off the ice on a day in day out basis to achieve success on the ice in a consistent fashion.

            In addition, I doubt everyone on the team hangs out all the time and so its important to have more then just one person with experience to make sure every young gun is getting a look at what it takes to live the life of a successful athlete.

  • Hax

    Surprised the AHL side is so low:

    Wayne Scanlan @HockeyScanner 36s

    Confirmed C Derek Grant will earn 700,000/85,000 on a two-way contract with the Senators.

  • Gavin Ray

    I agree with everyone’s concerns about experience when it comes to veterans on our team but I don’t believe that we really need Phillips and Neal. Honestly they occupy valuable spots we could give to youngsters. I’m sure we could get a pretty good return for them too, since teams could be looking for gritty, defensive veterans.

    • Pat D

      Phillips i understand but we need Neil… he’s a character guy and an awesome leader. He’s not afraid to speak up in the locker room or get in a guys face if they arent working hard enough

      • spezzerman

        he can do that as the 13th forward…