Trade Deadline Looms in Ottawa

SensChirp January 27, 2014 364
Trade Deadline Looms in Ottawa

When Bryan Murray signed a contract extension earlier this month, there was a clear shift in language from an organization that had labelled itself as a “rebuilding team” the past few seasons. The goal for this team is clear- to win a Stanley Cup with Bryan Murray as General Manager.

And while that doesn’t necessarily mean making a serious run this season, Bryan Murray and his staff are expected to keep a close all on all trade options leading up to the deadline. Eugene Melnyk has been adamant about giving Murray the budget increase to add a piece to this line up if he feels it can help this team qualify for the playoffs.

The Senators have come up in plenty of rumours already with the trade deadline still more than a month away. Teams have until March 5th to make a deal but the talk is already starting to heat up around the league.

-Matt Moulson’s name has come up and will continue to circulate leading up to the deadline. Just can’t see the Senators paying the price required to get this deal done. There will be plenty of other serious contenders looking to add a goal scorer like Moulson and in the end, one of those teams is likely going to pay a steeper price than the Senators are willing to.  Mike Cammalleri and Ray Whitney are a couple other forwards that will be seriously looked at by contending teams.

-Ottawa and Edmonton have talked trade all season long. The Oilers had a very serious interest in Colin Greening at one point but nothing came of those talks. Not everybody seems sold on the guy but assuming he comes at a reasonable price, Ales Hemsky would be a quality rental. Now of course that only works if Hemsky can stay healthy. That has been an issue all season and most of his career, really.

-On Friday, three Senators scouts turned up at the Colorado/Florida game which had people scrambling for potential Panthers or Avalanche players the Sens might be interested in. Not so fast as this was a scouting mission based on convenience more than anything as the team had just wrapped up their scouting meetings in Florida and decided to catch a game before heading home. Although Brad Boyes and Tom Gilbert are both textbook rentals.

-An article by Bruce Garrioch over the weekend sure make it sound like the Senators have tempered expectations a little bit following all the excitement that was generated after some ambitious statements the day GM Bryan Murray was extended. A rental is no longer a sure thing and almost seems unlikely before the Olympic break. The next two weeks are going to be tough for the Senators and will give Management a much better idea where they stand heading into the deadline.

-One trade that was talked about early in the season but never came to fruition was a Milan Michalek for Derek Morris swap. The Coyotes definitely had an interest in Michalek but apparently wanted to wait until a little closer to the deadline to minimize the cost. Meanwhile, from Ottawa’s perspective,  I would assume the interest in Morris has faded with Cody Ceci in the lineup and playing well. If the Senators decide they want to move Michalek, it would be worth calling the Coyotes to see if there’s still an interest.

-The Senators are sort of right on the fence between buyer and seller which can be an awkward place to be leading up to the trade deadline. One player they’ll have to make a decision on soon is Chris Phillips. A UFA at season’s end, Phillips obviously wants to stay here in Ottawa. The two sides talked extension earlier in the season but there didn’t seem to be a whole lot of desperation from either side. The Boston Bruins apparently have an interest in Phillips but I can’t imagine they are willing to give up a whole lot to acquire him. Still think the preference is to keep Phillips here in Ottawa.

Do you expect the Sens to make a trade before the March 5 deadline?

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  • MethotToMyMadness

    Great write up Chirp. I do think the Sens will make a deal and I figure it’ll be the big one everyone was waiting for, and it’ll be done well before the deadline. Murray seems to like getting these things done and out of the way. The quicker the better really, gives you more time to get the new player(s) adjusted in the system.

    The real question will be who suits up with the Sens. Knowing Murray, he’s got his eye on someone that is not being mentioned in trades, like the Turris deal when it happened. The obvious names continue to circle, and even though I do think Moulson would do very well in Ottawa, odds are that’s not the idea.

    • MethotToMyMadness

      Being one of those guys, who reply to his own post. But this was just posted on TSN, which was a comment from Pierre Dorion:

      “We identified possible targets for possible trades,” he told the Citizen’s Ken Warren. “You always have to be ready for that possibility, for players that could help us in the short or long term.”

  • my2sens

    I must say, I am in the ‘NO’ category. Although, close to the fence.

    I am nervous of any rental we would get and don’t feel the right piece is out there. IF the right piece was out there, I would think they would have pulled the trigger by now seeing where we sit in the standings.

    With our BIG guns not firing (Ryan, Spezza) we need scoring now. Not after the break.

    Hope I’m wrong and that Murray does make a trade and soon, but I don’t see it…

  • boom

    I know this won’t be popular, but I honestly think Chris Phillips will be a huge reason whey this team’s defence won’t be getting much better anytime soon.

    On one hand, Phillips realizes that he is in a very strong position right now, after the Alfie debacle. He knows that fans will not like it if the Sens don’t make every effort to re-sign him, and for good money.

    On the other hand (In my opinion), he can’t be more than a 5-6 guy at this point of his career, and the Sens have lots of cheaper options for someone this low on the depth chart.
    I think the Sens are in a tough spot, with regards to Phillips.

    • my2sens

      I had mentioned this before boom, and agree with you. He is in a strong position. And that is the problem I find with the Sens organization is that they would rather keep loyalty (which isn’t a bad thing) over quality.

      I understand Phillips is a career Senator, he still has useful skills (leadership to young guns), but is it enough and is it what the Sens need? No. He can do that as an assistant coach.

      I like Phillips and think he is a great guy – but not what the Sens need.

      • Dirk-Diggler

        I hope Phillips retires with grace at the end of the season instead of desperately trying to hold onto a game that is quickly passing him by. He can’t love being the fault of so many goals. I’m sure he can see the light at the end of the tunnel. I’d like to remember him positively instead of him being an anchor.

        • bluebuyyoo

          Well said. The player has to know when his time is up. Phillips has had a great career and should be remembered for that, not his failings at the end.

      • Zelle

        I think Phillips could be useful if they played him for less minutes, and maybe not every game.

    • The Apostle

      I can’t imagine why you think this won’t be popular. There’s a whole bunch of us that have been wanting Phillips off the team for the past couple of years.

      However, I don’t think he gets moved anywhere he doesn’t want to go – regardless of any list he has given the organisation. I see it as a similar situation to Fisher and Nashville, if Murray is serious about moving Phiullips (and I don’t think he is) he will make sure Phillips ends up in a situation that he is happy with – and I’m fine with that.

      I don’t think we get a huge amount back for him anyway, and he’s certainly not at the head of the line of blueliners likely to move in February or March. I think the organisation keeps him here until the summer and then make a decision. However if Phillips knows he isn’t coming back to Ottawa (either his choice or the organisation) then he might be willing to move on at the deadline for a shot at the cup, but I believe he wants to have that shot here.

      • my2sens

        So if similar to Fisher, can we send him to Calgary or Edmonton (Calgary native) for a forward? Is there anybody in Calgary worth picking up!?

        • The Apostle

          The situation is similar, not the expected return. I just don’t think Murray sends him somewhere Phillips isn’t Ok with. If there isn’t a deal on the table that Phillips doesn’t green light, I think he stays until the summer.

        • sben

          I’d be happy with a third rounder or a mediocre prospect. There isn’t anybody you could get for him that would be worth putting on the team.

    • runningbear1974

      I’m hoping the opposite… The fact that Alfie left means we might as well get rid of guys for something rather than them just leaving and embarrassing us…

  • Dirk-Diggler

    I’d like to see the Sens buy low on some player who are defencemen. I’m looking at Ehrhoff, Larsson (Adam), Campbell. Ehrhoff and Campbell are short term fixes while Larsson is a guy to help build around. But, all those guys would be here for 2+ years.

    • my2sens

      Another D? What do we do with all those in our system now? The press box is only so big.

      • Dirk-Diggler

        I think we can put Corvo on waivers and if we have to send down Ceci… I know he’s been great for us but he’s still a child. Let’s not ruin him like we did with Lee!

        • my2sens

          Ceci, although I agree is young, has been one of our best. I cannot see him going down.

        • Phoenix

          Lee was done when he got drafted so high. You never leave a Staal on the board or a big center like kopitar

    • Pugnacious Serf

      Check out where Campbell and Erhoff’s team’s are in the standings, they are well past their prime offensive D. We need defensive defensemen, Karlsson eats up the majority of the offensive ice time, we need Scuderi and Girardi types. Ottawa is third in GA in the east, just ahead of the Leafs and Islanders.

    • sben

      I would suggest rethinking that comment.

  • Sicilian

    Yes, specifically what guys would we have to give up? That’s the scariest part

    • my2sens

      I think you can look first at who do we want to keep. Then go from there.

      • runningbear1974

        If I get a vote, I vote to get rid of all the old guys… I want Turris and Karlsson leading the way…
        I really like Michalek’s hustle and attitude… But I hate his 1-dimensional-ness… I hate how often he dumps in the puck rather than make nice play…

        • Dratman

          If the Sens want to be a contender in a few years (they definitely aren’t now), they need to build around Turris, Zbad, Karlsson Ceci and Lehner. I feel like everyone is getting fooled into thinking that this team is better than it is: average at best.

          My vote would be to trade Spezza and Phillips if they are willing to waive their NTC. Trade Ryan if he won’t resign to a LTD. Next year Lazar should start with the team.

          If Turris and MacArthur continue to click then try to extend Mac. The status quo on the rest of the spare parts on the team is fine.

          If Mean Gene decides to loosen the purse strings a but, the Sens should try to get a stud defenceman like Weber. This team needs more help preventing goals than scoring them.

          • The Apostle

            The problem with suggesting that we are anything other than outstanding as ateam is people take it personally and call you a leafs fan. However, I think you’re broadly right – I think we are, at the moment, a middle of the pack team with a decent amount of potential. If we have a good season we would finish 4-6 in the East and a bad season we would finish 11-14.

            We are having an OK season, we are inconsistent and we’ll probably finish anywhere between 7-10. Some years that will get us into the playoffs in the new alignment, other years it won’t.

            I don’t think we are far off from being a decent contender but nor do I think we are just one piece away. We have a good young core to build around and verterans like Ryan and MacArthur are useful additions but our top 6/9 needs some tinkering and we either need to change personnel on the blueline or be prepared to live with a young group that makes mistakes from time to time.

            I don’t want us trading for rentals but if a Moulson or a Vanek gave us an assurance that they would sign here for 3+ years then I would love to get one of them. I’m just not convinvced we have the pieces, we would probably have to include one of those young blueliners that I alluded to earlier.

  • runningbear1974

    I like that we’re on the line as buyers or sellers… I think we should start defining our team… Get rid of those that don’t fit, bring in those that do fit… We’re kind of lacking an identity… We’re kinda different depending who’s out there…

  • Dirk-Diggler

    Here’s another thought… And, feel free to think I’m an idiot if this doesn’t go over well…

    But what about a trade for Letang? He’s due to make big $ in Pitt and they are stocked with offensive D men in their system. Pitt needs 2nd-4th line players and the Sens have plenty of them that can help them make a run at the cup. I’m thinking they would go for guys like Smith, Michalek, Neil, Greening… all those guys can fit into their system and help that team. It would have to be a combination of a lot of things but I’d think something like Michalek, Neil + 2015 1st and Prince could do it.

    Imagine our D

    Methot – Karlsson
    Cowen – Letang
    Gryba – Ceci

    Phillips traded to Boston, Gryba extra, Corvo on waivers!

    • Phoenix

      Not interested in giving up the 1st. Historically Murray has only trade the sens first twice. Doubt he will in back to back years

      • Dirk-Diggler

        All I know is that if the Sens got Letang we would have a crazy exciting D! As a season ticket holder I’d be excited to go to every game because with Karlsson and Letang we would be generating a ton of offense but also giving up some chances too. It would be a lot of fun to watch and maybe it would put a few more bums in seats…

    • my2sens

      I can see the interest in someone like Letang, Pitts doesn’t have strong defencemen, so can’t see him getting traded. Should he be traded, I would certainly not mind picking him up, even if he is a D and it contradicts what I stated below. That being said, your trade scenario scares me and I would want to pay that high of a price for him…

  • jasonontheoldsenschirp

    What in the world does Boston want with Chris Phillips

    • my2sens

      Does it matter? If we can get something back for him at this point, I would be more than happy to do so.

      • runningbear1974

        The way we draft I would be really happy with a 3rd or a 4th round pick…

    • Aaron 2.0

      Yeah. I’d be surprised. They may have had interest in him. But, then you have to think they would do some scouting, and realize that won’t help them much. I’m not too optimistic of that happening.

  • Sharmarke

    From what I gathered this season Anderson is the better goalie on the road and Lehner is better at home. If I were coach maclean I would start Anderson on all road games unless its back to back and I would split them at home. Also I prefer starting Lehner against teams like the leafs and canadiens.

    • runningbear1974

      You may be right, but I think this year they’re focusing on developing players… And I think for Lehner, he just has to get the feel of a full NHL season… Don’t need to put any other pressure on him…
      Anderson is getting all of the hard pressure… If we don’t make playoffs it will be his fault, not Lehner’s… And I think for this year, that’s acceptable… Next year however, it will be Lehner’s job to make sure we make playoffs…

      • Dratman

        I think you are generally right. And I definitely think that the Sens should give Lehner a chance to be the starter next year. Anderson has been pretty mediocre in the playoffs, and so I’d like to see Lehner get a chance to be the go to guy.

        • runningbear1974

          Well… I’m secretly hoping that Anderson stuggles in playoffs and Lehner’s come by and saves the day… But… that’s not too realistic…

  • Joshua Delorme

    I am expecting Murray to make a deal out of left field, that not very many people saw coming. He has done it before, just like the Turris trade. I would not be surprised to see him package a D and a Forward to add to the scoring up front. My other observation, the Sens brought in Ryan to be Spezza’s scoring winger, but according to MacLean they have not been able to develop chemistry. My thought: they might need to play a little longer together.

    • SensChirp

      This is the perfect time to try Spezza and Ryan together again too. Turris and MacArthur are clicking and Ryan seems a little lost. Might be the spark both he and Spezza need.

      • Aaron 2.0

        The foot-speed of that duo (Spezza-Ryan) scares me a little (actually a lot). I think i’d put Spezza back in the 3 spot. I was quick to say get him in the top 6 with his improved play lately, but I think I was a little over-zealous now. Maybe shift Ryan to Zibanejed (back at C)?

        • runningbear1974

          I would love to see Ryan with Zibanejad… That would be a great combo…

      • runningbear1974

        I would like to bet on whether or not that would work… $20 says no… Because of the style they play… I also feel that Spezza does not adjust to other players, they adjust to him, or else it doesn’t work…

      • Dratman

        In theory Spezza-Ryan should work. Problem might be that they need a player on the other side to support them. Unfortunately, that player might have been Alfie. If Mac wants to try this again, I’d say play Ryan on the Left wing so hess got his stick towards the center for taking one timers off Spezza passes, and put some defensive conscience on the right side, maybe Condra.

    • my2sens

      Ryan said he was coming in hot – if that’s his idea of hot, hate to see what cold is.

      BUT we do need to find someone to play with Ryan. If Spezza isn’t the answer, and if he can’t score while with Mr. T and Mac, then well… I am not sure!

      • Joshua Delorme

        It is hard to say Spezza isn’t the answer when they have played so little together. I say let them play together until the deadline and see what happens.

        • my2sens

          Very true. Who would you place with them? MM9? CC89?

          • Joshua Delorme

            I would put either CG14 or MM9. CG14 has played with Spezza before and put up decent numbers and would add size to the line and could be a net-front presence. If that doesn’t work then I would do MM9 just because I think CC89 and MZ93 play extremely well together and wouldn’t want to break them up.

          • my2sens

            Ok. So we one line built… what about RW?

            CG14, JS19, BR06
            CM16, KT07, ????
            CC89, MZ93, ????

          • Joshua Delorme

            CG14/JS19/BR06
            CM16/KT07/MS61 (when returns from injury)
            CC89/MZ93/MM09
            EC22/ZS15/CN25

  • Aaron 2.0

    Moulson or Gilbert would be a huge addition for the team. But, we’re not really in a situation to add a rental with an expiring contract. With no guarantee that we make the playoffs, it seems like a mistake (to me) to give up any assets, right now, for a rental. I guess we can still take a wait and see approach, and make that determination closer to the trade deadline. But, I suspect we’ll be much in the same position (in the hunt, with no guarantee of the playoffs). I love what Phillips has done for the team, Chirp. But, father time catches up with everybody, eventually. Bringing back would be a huge mistake, IMO. It’s time to let go of the past, and think about the future with players like these. Offer him an office position. If he still wants to play, he’s free to look elsewhere.

  • SensChirp

    Lines from practice…

    MacArthur-Turris-Ryan
    Conacher-Zibanejad-Michalek
    Greening-Spezza-Condra
    Smith-DaCosta-Neil
    Kassian

    Cowen-Karlsson
    Methot-Gryba
    Phillips-Ceci
    Wiercioch-Corvo

    • my2sens

      My only suggestion would be to throw in the Kassassin… we need a win.

      He brings character to the dressing room and something to the ice that seems to translate to a win.

      Otherwise, forward lines are nice!

      • Aaron 2.0

        There was a piece about this on Silver Sens. The writer speculated that having Kassian in the lineup (since he only plays roughy 5 minutes per game) forces MacLean to rely more heavily on the top 6. Essentially it’s addition by subtraction. It’s the only thing that’s made sense to me so far about why this team wins with him in the lineup.

        • Hax

          Chirp mentioned that a long time ago.

          • Aaron 2.0

            Missed that one, Hax. Sorry Chirp!

    • Joshua Delorme

      I dont agree with Spezza playing with Condra AND Greening. I would be fine with Spezza/Greening/Ryan but Condra is not a top-6 calibre player and Spezza tries to produce offence but the other guys can’t see the play he is going to do.

      • CUP 2014-15

        Agree Joshua , Spezz needs another winger but I think as of now, ZBads line along with Turris is our top six and if that’s the case then Greening and Condra are not that bad as third line wingers it’s just that Spezz is the number three centre this morning.

        • Aaron 2.0

          I agree. Turris and Zibanejad are 1 and 2 right now. Even when Zibanejad was on Spezza’s wing, it sort of looked like most plays developed when Zibanejad just sort of ended up back in the middle for a given play. Spezza seems to be getting better. But, we’ve been most successful with Turris @ 1 and Zibanejad @ 2.

          • CUP 2014-15

            I am very happy to see ZBad back in the middle, he’s good on the wing, but he is better at centre and has the potential to be a number one some day. Murray has said from day one that he likes Mika in the middle.

          • Aaron 2.0

            For sure! He’s already so good at finding space for himself at C, and creating space for his wingers. I thought he was sort of slumping (not badly, just by his own standards) in his last few games at C. I think (hope) getting another shot at C will really invigorate him!

    • boom

      Spezza must have shit in MacLean’s cornflakes again!
      I can understand (although I disagree) playing Condra on his line – defensive responsibilty and all that – but also giving him Greening?
      Poor bastard.

      • runningbear1974

        When Spezza plays with better players, he becomes a worse player… Watch where he is on the ice… Simple as that… Spezza has to play with lesser skilled players to be effective…

        • boom

          You can’t be serious…

          • runningbear1974

            yes I am… I wish I could watch the game with you and analyze it… Spezza was only successful with Heatley after Alfie joined that line… Only after Alfie took over the defensive liabilities…
            Spezza has awesome shot, and he shoots more with worse players… I don’t know why others don’t see this… I think the coach sees it, and that explains his decisions… Spezza is not an easy guy to coach… Spezza said “The coach asked me to shoot more, but I don’t know”… He thinks of himself as a playmaker, not as a goal scorer…

    • Hax

      Meh. While we have two lines going well without Spezza why not let Spezza play reduced minutes on a third line? Keep him healthy and everything. He seems to shoot more when in that role too which is good for his overall game.

      Once Stone comes back everything changes too. Greening-Spezza-Stone doesn’t look so bad and then you get a real fourth line again with Smith between Condra and Neil.

      • runningbear1974

        I 100% agree… Problem is how to get everyone ice time… I hate for Zibanejad to have reduced ice time… Same with Smith line… He’s effective… Reduce Spezza’s ice time, but give him premium ice time… That’s a solution…

    • ghost of Moose Vasko

      MZ93 has GOT to play center.

    • NickofTime

      Interesting that PM likes to keep the defence playing their natural sides. This is why I want to see Phillips traded so that Wiercioch can take his roster spot. Remember Phillips is the guy who tells the young players every yr to take his spot if they can, this should be the yr they do, at least Wiercioch should, he has played better IMO.

      I would play Methot with Karlsson, Cowen with Ceci & Wiercioch with Gryba, they would be a big mobile defence with a defensive defenceman & a PMD on each pair, Corvo can be the 7th D & Boroweicki can be a callup.

    • Sandy

      Time for the DaCosta experiment to end. Send him back down.. bring up a winger.

      • Hax

        Prince? If Spezza’s going to continue slumming on the third line I’d love to see Prince-Spezza-Condra which would allow 14-15-25 to bang away as our fourth line. And finally have a call-up get to play with some skilled players (or at least one anyway).

  • Richard Gough

    Does Murray still have the rights for Filatov? If so I wonder if the panthers would trade Gilbert to the Sens for him
    Just a thought

    • Joshua Delorme

      NHL rights for Filatov still belongs to the Senators, but I highly doubt any GM would touch him with a 10-foot pole.

      • Richard Gough

        What make you think that ?

        • Joshua Delorme

          He expects everything to be given to him .. Only team I could see being slightly interested would be WPG because and only because of Paul Maurice. He recently coached over there and said that he now understands what NHL coaches are asking of European players and how hard it can be .. They might want to take a chance on him.

          • Tony

            Not too sure where you’re coming with the “Expects everything to be given to him” statement. From what was said when he was sent down from the NHL he had a hard time in traffic zones in the NHL and had a hard time adjusting.

            After the send-down Filatov decided that he was more comfortable playing in Europe than in NA, and figured it was better for his development. With 2 more years under his belt, he has the talent and experience to potentially crack the Senators roster in 2014-15 as a much needed skilled LW, and is expected to show up at camp before making his decision whether he will stay in Europe.

            I personnally hope that Filatov (only 23) has filled his 6’0 frame and has learned to be physical. He has the skill we need in a LW position we’re so short on.

          • Joshua Delorme

            Hadn’t thought of it that way. I had understood that he was done with the NA style of hockey and wanted to play in Europe. I never doubted that he was a very skilled forward and could be of use on the left side.

          • sprucesens

            yeah, its always nice to hear stuff about filatov. I still think he can be a good player, but he obviously rubs people the wrong way. Not often does a top 10 pick get the treatment he’s had. Maybe he’s growing up a bit, and can have a chance. But I think management will need to have their socks blown off, if he is to actually make the team. He would look great on a 3LW, maybe with spezza and stone? Not very likely to happen though.

      • Richard Gough

        I feel he could have a good chance playing for the panther since there is a few Russians on the team already

  • CUP 2014-15

    I noticed yesterday that the sun printed Stone’s injury is the shoulder not the wrist. Does anyone have any more info and is it the same one he hurt in Bingo this year?

    • Sandy

      Read on TSN’s IceChips that he is week to week… That’s not good..

      • CUP 2014-15

        But does it say anything about a shoulder or which one? He skated today so that’s a start,

  • Pugnacious Serf

    Despite the disdain for the Bog Rig, Phillips is staying as he should, he’s been near the top in this organization in blocked shots and hits for the last decade. Also Ceci doesn’t get the chance to play his game if he’s paired with Karlsson, Weircoch, Gryba, Cowen or Corvo.

    Speeza is really having trouble finding his happy place, and putting way to much pressure on himself. He needs help and Whitney is the cheaper option if you want to bring in veteran depth on the wing. I don’t believe Hemsky’s presence adds anything to a young team like Ottawa and he’s better suited to a team like Pittsburgh. Moulson has a good history playing with play makers. Not getting him for less than a 1st and roster body and a AHL body. I’m sure Tim Murray has a couple favourites he’d love to bring over to Buffalo. However, finding chemistry via the trade route with him is a risky proposition, there might not be any. At least with bringing up a good set of hands from Bingo, if they can’t play with Spezza, they can get sent back.

  • Conor_smythe

    Chris Phillips is the worst

    I would not pay him one dollar to play for our team

    I would trade him for anything I could get, including “future considerations”

    I can’t believe people still “care” how long players have been around

    its about winning, not being some big gay happy family that just goes out to have fun

    • Hax

      Stay classy Conor.

      • senate19

        In response to “gay happy”, it’s kind of redundant as he’s really saying “happy happy”. And he’s entitled to his opinion too, even if incorrect.

    • Pugnacious Serf

      The big gay happy family thing your talking about, its called a team.

    • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

      Get this filth off of the blog. Fucking bigot

    • Sensnation

      Such a small picture view of the business of sports. The more you show loyalty to key players, the better your organization and quality of your org is across the league and the players that play in it. If keeping Phillips a couple years past his prime is what gets us to re-sign a Bobby Ryan or keep Karlsson here for life, it’s more than worth it.

      All you seem to care about is that you can see him make mistakes each game, yet somehow one of the best organizations in the league, the Bruins, would love to have him on their team for the playoff run. You should let them know they’re making a mistake and their pro hockey minds have no clue on Phillips.

  • Jacques

    C’Mon Bryan pull the trigger and make it a doozy – I’m behind you all the way come HELL or HIGH WATER!

  • Hax

    I do expect a trade but it will be very minor IMO. This is not the year to blow our wad on a rental that would have a big impact. If Murray has approval to spend he should parlay that to next year and spend it then.

    If there’s a trade out there that makes us better for the next few years, great. But anything that really counts as a “rental for a playoff run” would be a waste this season IMO. Not saying we can’t do some damage in the playoffs, but we should be in better position next season.

  • Hax

    I know everyone hates Phillips but if he can be resigned to be the 6/7 guy (both in terms of him accepting that role and the contract fitting that role) then it’s a no brainer. He still elevates for the playoffs and as long as we’re not depending on him for huge minutes or power play time etc he’s a great piece to have around. Whether or not he stays around has more to do what happens to other guys IMO. If you just subtract Phillips and go with what we have left I think we’re too green. But at the same time if Murray can bring in another late-20s, early-30s guy for the top 4 then Phillips is more expendable.

    • Pugnacious Serf

      Slow clap.

      I can see Phillips following a very similar path as Smith or Richardson, at least as a player. And in all actuality, he really is playing a 5 or 6 role considering his main defensive partner the last dozen games has been Ceci.

      • runningbear1974

        I don’t agree that Philips is similar to Smith or Richardson… Both Smith and Richardson are very thoughtful players… They had to play positionally because they weren’t the best skaters… They knew how to hook and interfere without taking a penalty…
        Philips is not a thoughtful player… He was a good defenseman because he was a good skater for his size… Nothing strategic to it…

        • Pugnacious Serf

          I didn’t say they were similar players, I said they COULD follow a SIMILAR PATH.

    • runningbear1974

      I don’t agree that Philips elevates his game in the playoffs… What, he makes more passes, he shoots more, blocks more shots, more alert, skates faster, makes better decisions…
      I don’t agree it’s a no brainer… I think it’s a tough decision…

    • sprucesens

      if he stays on, it should be to take the position corvo currently fills, I think.

  • FBP

    Renaud Lavoie ‏@LavoieRenaudnow
    One name floating for a possible trade: Avalanche PA Parenteau. A few teams called and heard Canadiens are interested. We’ll see.

    I wonder if Ottawa would be interested here? I’m pretty sure we tried to sign him two UFA’s back.

  • 4thStringGoalie

    Moulson to Ottawa? Not a chance. I think this is just two GMs with a history making it look like there is a bigger market to drive up the price. I’m sure there are a lot of GMs that have personal relationships use it to their advantages when needed.

    I’m sure when the Sens look to move a defence man this summer like Gryba or Weiricoch Buffalo will be one of the supposed “destinations” to return the favour.

  • http://www.crashthenet.ca/ Luc Wolfe

    I voted no, because this organisation should of dealt in November when the season was still young. We have a history of not doing much at the deadline, I never like the rental idea, if I want to improve my team do it now its cheaper and you can build on the chemistry on the previous season. And for the ones that says Ottawa doesn’t have a chance on getting Moullson that’s an easy comment to do so since there’s 28 other team interested in him, it always depends who’s willing to give out more.

    Hemsky: Don’t want him, he’s injured… next!

    As for resigning Phillips, I wouldn’t be devastated if he left the team, but if we do sign him it’s for 6-7 dman role, and a paycut.

  • Moudy Mahfouz

    I personally think that Bryan Murray will pull the trigger on a trade before the Olympic break. I really think we just need a veteran forward who can play with Spezza. I dont know what you guys think, but i feel like Cammeleri would be kind of good for Spezza. If sens lose tmr to columbus, a deal will happen by the end of the week. We got tough games coming up.

    • sprucesens

      would love cammy if the price is right

    • Joshua Delorme

      I have been a huge Mike Cammaleri fan ever since his Canadiens days. Cammy with the Sens would be awesome, I am not really sure what the Flames are asking for him though.

      • sprucesens

        maybe we can swoop in early before the bidding gets too high. 3rd and greening maybe?

  • ghost of Moose Vasko

    I’ll be shocked if Edmonton makes any trade of significance.
    The people that run that team are too cowardly to do anything bold.

    That being said – of Ottawa’s potentially available players they’re probably
    interested in ZS15 / JC02 / PW46 / EG62.

  • Cicero

    Pull the trigger on Spezza. I know this sounds like taboo after Alfie going less than a year ago (I think that taboo-thinking is part of the problem).

    Isn’t anyone else tired of ‘we must find players who can play with Spezza’? The team will never resolve more important issues like team defence and 60-minute focus with this ongoing debacle.

    An Alfie-level RW for Spezza (and many here are talking about him needing TWO wingers) will cost the Sens a big chunk of their
    future. And what if the hypothetical new acquisition STILL doesn’t ‘have
    chemistry’ with Spezza?

    Trade Spezza for a stay-at-home D who can play 25+ min./game. Distribute the captaincy for a season or two like Columbus did after Nash.

    It might even be doing Spezza a favour — moving him from the third line here to a top line where he can play his own style freely without a C on his jersey.

    • SensChirp

      Nobody is trading for Spezza right now. Not gonna happen. And certainly not for a 25+ minute defenceman. There are 14 of those in the NHL, by the way.

      • Cicero

        I guess I’m in an alternate reality :D Thanks for the blog Chirp — it’s always insightful and entertaining.

        • SensChirp

          Thank ya. Best case scenario with Spezza is he stays healthy and productive with the Senators down the stretch and they can look at trade options in the off season, if that’s the route they want to go.

      • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

        If Spezza is moved I can’t imagine it happening prior to the off-season

      • bishbosh

        and we already have one of them

    • ghost of Moose Vasko

      You do know that Spezza has a no trade contract ?

    • runningbear1974

      I’m a believer that the Sens are better off without Spezza for 2 reasons…
      1) he’s an erratic unpredictable player (he comes with a lot of bad stuff)…
      2) he’s eating up Zibanejad’s ice time…

      • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

        Anyone that says that the Sens are better without Spezza, and doesn’t add in the fact that it is due to the pieces coming back(which still at this point would be purely speculation, is nuts)

        Do I think we potentially improve if he moves, depending on our return…yes, DO I think we get a worth while return from moving him to drastically improve our team….No

        • runningbear1974

          Pay attention to how we play when he’s injured… The team does not play worse… Does anyone have the statistics on the last 3 years, how we’ve done with or without Spezza? I believe Karlsson has numbers such that we are much better with than without, but I don’t believe Spezza has those same numbers…

      • Sensnation

        Let me know when Zibanejad even approaches a point per game pace. What a joke!

        • runningbear1974

          It’s coming soon… Not a joke… Spezza is not just a bunch of good stuff, he has lots of really bad liabilities, like giving up the centre of the ice easily…
          Zibanejad might not be a point per game, but he probably has a better plus minus…

          • Sensnation

            Zibanejad is likely not a point per game player. Maybe 60-70pts area in a career year. He’s currently on pace for about 40.

          • runningbear1974

            I prefer 70pts and plus 10, then 90pts and minus 10…
            We don’t know Zibanejad’s ceiling because MacLean puts a lot of emphasis on development… It’s not hard for me to believe that Zibby will turn out to be a much better player than Spezza… We’ll have to wait and see…
            My argument is similar to why we do better with Kassian… It has to do with who gets what ice time…
            I want the bulk of the ice time to go to Turris, Zibanejad, and Smith… No one will score easy goals against those guys…
            In my mind Turris is our real winning leader… He has great disposition, grateful to be with us… And, I think his linemates LOVE him…
            Our winning streak started when Spezza and Philips got injured… Our winning streak ended when Spezza returned…

          • Sensnation

            Not gonna spend another day debating Spezza, I’m honestly just fed up with how this fan base is treating him and Phillips. Obvious a lot of our fan base weren’t around for the real dark days when the franchise started.

            Spezza has put up top 5-10 numbers on several seasons, is the obvious progression from Alfie to Turris as C, and brought us to our only SC final ever. When Zibanejad’s +/- can accomplish all those things let me know, but he is not and will never be a 1st line Center in the NHL.

          • CUP 2014-15

            I could not agree more that Spezz takes more heat then he should, however it’s easy to see your frustration as I know you know this team. Don’t let the frustration screw with you nation. You know ZBad is a bluechip prospect and could very well be a number one.

          • Sensnation

            Sorry Cup, but I don’t agree. BM was even trying to trade him for the first year after drafting him and they’ve hinted that he wasn’t the highest left on their draft list that year, but they went for position of need over the defender they ranked higher. He’s a good player, but not 1st line C material. 2-3rd line yes, which is why it’s great we have Turris.

          • runningbear1974

            I don’t agree… Zibanejad is an awesome player… Passes, shoots, hits… GETS INTO THE MIDDLE OF THE ACTION…. As opposed to going to the boards or behind the net waiting for his teammates to create a turnover…
            We chose Zibanejad out of position because we saw something special, and it’s coming true…
            I don’t know why you don’t see it, and I don’t know why you think Spezza is so special…

          • Sensnation

            I’m not saying Zibanejad isn’t awesome, I like him A LOT! But there’s a huge difference in skill between him and what you’d want in your 1st line C.

          • CUP 2014-15

            Fair enough and we can take a different view on him as I think he will be better then Turris in a couple of years, but that is a conversation for years from now.

          • runningbear1974

            I agree… Zibanejad is something special… He has a great attitude, and he’s got a great big hockey body…
            With MacLean, he’ll be someone extra special…

          • runningbear1974

            I feel similarly… Tired of this debate… I have been watching Spezza since the early days… I’ve seen his progression… I see his strong and weak points…
            When we went to the SC finals, we were lucky… It was easy matchups all the way to the finals, we won 4-1 series…
            There’s no way you can say that Zibby will never be a 1 line centre.. That doesn’t make sense…
            I’m not a fanatic about it… I like to point out specific behaviours that I don’t like… At the beginning of the year I was complaining that after a turnover Spezza would continue in the offensive direction, he has since stopped that, now when there’s a turnover, he almost immediately stops and changes directions (great, that’s an improvement)… I use to complain that he wouldn’t shoot the puck, and then he started shooting more, but then I noticed this was kind of random, some games he shoots, sometimes he doesn’t, and that’s where I noticed it dependent on his linemates… In the Rangers series a couple of years ago, he stopped shooting the puck, MacLean was yelling at him… (He just had a baby, and his best friend died, so some sympathy, but goes to show, when the going gets tough, he’ll go back to what he knows)

        • Cicero

          No way Zibanejad ever approaches giving away a point per game…

          • Sensnation

            Ya that’s hard to do from the 2nd and 3rd lines!

  • NickofTime

    Management wants a better idea of where they stand? Out of a playoff position that’s where they stand when they were expected to be in the playoffs this season. And if they don’t shake things up it’s quite likely they will be out of the playoffs in a month. It’s hard to know if this team could make a run with the players they have, at the moment the way they are playing I would think not, they are too inconsistent.

    While I’m not in favour of trading for a rental, I am in favour of adding a piece that can play in Ottawa for another few yrs. I would not trade Greening for Hemsky but I would trade Condra & Conahcer for him. I would also trade Phillips but keep Michalek who still has the potential to be a scoring threat. Phillips seems like Redden as his skills & speed deteriorate, Wiercioch deserves his spot in the lineup. Hopefully they send SDC back to Bingo where he belongs & replaces him with Grant who is much better suited for the 4th line. Ottawa needs to shake things up, this lineup just isn’t cutting it.

  • Sensnation

    Only player from that list that makes sense is Moulson.

    Morris only makes sense if Phillips is moved and not re-signed. Camalleiri is a cancer, want nothing to do with him. Hemsky may not even be healthy enough to make it to trade deadline.

    Better to let the kids/prospects play out the year instead of steal their icetime for a question marked veteran with no attachment to the organization.

    • sprucesens

      I’ve never seen cammy as a cancer on any team. He’s always been one of the hardest working players on the ice. Maybe there is something in the dressing room going on I suppose. But he’s like watching conacher, except he scores at a decent pace, consistently.

  • ghost of Moose Vasko

    FABIO Awards vote page here
    http://www.facesmag.ca/fabio.php

    Sadly SensChirp not among the blogger nominations.

    • Sensnation

      Pathetic that an american blogger gets nominated and not Chirp!

      • SensChirp

        He’s certainly a better blogger than I am but I am way more from Ottawa than he is. But I lack a face…which he has. I’m sure the nomination committee wrestled with this one for hours :)

        • Sensnation

          Really Chirp? I’ve been with you since the old days and Yost has nothing on you. Here’s today’s classic from him, after the first few sentences you’d swear he was going to pick Moulson, you know because it would make sense:

          “The two big rumored names are Matt Moulson and Ales Hemsky. Moulson’s a goal-scorer that can play well on the wing of a play-driving center. Hemsky, almost certain to be had for a fraction of the cost, is a possession-driving winger that creates plays for his linemates. It should seem rather obvious, if this winger is set to play on Spezza’s wing, which of the two is the better choice. Quite honestly, I can’t believe this is still being internally debated. The team can almost certainly grab Hemsky for less than he’s probably worth at this point, and I think he’s the caliber of player — so long as he stays healthy — that can bring Jason Spezza’s game up.”

          He can take all the CORSI stats and shove them! GO CHIRP!!!

        • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

          chirp you are 100 times the blogger as that bore.

          Although, I am not shocked to see you dismiss this(I also have absolutely no idea what these awards are for)

        • bluebuyyoo

          Chirp. It’s all about the corsi, fenwick GAA, GFA, possession, zone exits and entries. That “randon useless blogger” can fill pages up with that stuff until even the most dedicated hockey fan’s eyes glaze over.

          Your blogs are concise and get to the point. No bullshit and no nonsense.

          Keep up the great work!

        • boom

          Different, not better. You write about the team as if you watch the games. He writes about the team as if he watches the numbers.

        • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

          I go to read what Yost has said usually once or twice a week….and am normally bored out of my tree within 10 minutes. Your site, no word of a lie sits being refreshed on my phone, laptop and anything else with a connection

        • CUP 2014-15

          Don’t be so modest. I for one read as much as possible on our Sens and your blogs are supported by results of paying attention to line changes, type of play, futures and needs. His are often based on stats and stats only. He has also IMO become very negative toward this team since he was hacked. Just take a read of todays and you can understand where I am going with this. You, unlike him will also change your opinion on a player where as if he likes a player, said player can do no wrong. When he has a hate on for someone watch out…Spezz and EG.

    • Alcatraz

      Without insulting Chirp, I think the difference between the two blogs (Yost vs Chirp) is that Yost tailors his around more a fact/opinion piece blog.

      Chirp is more of a fan forum. I’m guilty of this many times, but when a new post goes up on Chirps site, how many people actually go and read it in its entirety? Or do you go more to the comment section to see where the communication is
      Yost blog, is a journalistic approach, and people who read his stuff, actually read it for the content.

      Yes we all love Chirp’s content to when it comes to rumors, but rarely (and Chirp admits this) does he give an opinion piece on this site. Thats a testament to chirp and what he has developed here

      So for awards, I would argue (without knowing any of the other bloggers nominated) that they were going for the “amateur journalist” approach

      • FuzzFace

        I read both blogs every day, for different reasons. I like Chirp’s because it seems like he is a little closer to the organization and has a bit of an ‘insider’ feel. That said, I like Yost’s blog because, although he’s a fan, he is able to objectively look at the team in depth and assess the strengths and weaknesses. Being of technical ilk, I like that.

  • MethotToMyMadness

    Here is a list of wingers who can score goals that I think may fit well in the Senators org, outside of the normal names we keep hearing. I was looking at rental in some cases, but I think the Sens want permanent, for at least 2 years.

    David Perron – 19 goals this season on a crappy Edm team, Perron hasn’t made himself a concrete part of this team yet. I doubt Eberle or any of the other 1st rounders drafted by the Oil would be moved, before Perron. Only 25 years old, with a 3.812 cap hit till 2015/16, he’s worth looking at. He’s a bit of a liability with Injury and concussion history, that would be my biggest concern, but that could work in Ottawa’s favor if a trade was to happen.

    Erik Cole – 14 goals this season, oldest guy on my list at 35 and playing well out of the spotlight in Dallas. Cole is a big body that can skate, protect the puck and still produce, for at least another 2 years. Signed till the end of the 2014/15 season at 4.5mil cap hit, a resurgence like playing with Spezza could do him very well. The asking price may not be as high.

    Blake Wheeler – 21 Goals, massive at 6’5, the guy can do it all himself, and would fit very well with Spezza. I think the two of them would feed off one another, setting each other up. Hard to see Winnipeg moving him, but if the deal was done, this would not be a rental and would probably cost the Sens the most. His cap hit of 5.6 till 2018/19, is the highest on my list, but a great contract considering the length and his production.

    Wayne Simmonds – 17 Goals, 25 years old, 3.975 Cap hit till 2018/19. Simmonds plays hard, hits like a truck and scores goals. I don’t think he has lived up to what Philly expected when brought over from LA, but he’s found himself a good spot on the 2nd line and the 1st power play unit. If Philly keeps falling in the standings, it could open up the trades doors. Simmonds is more of a wishful thinking on my part, as I’ve liked his game for a long time.

    Patric Hornqvist – With only 10 goals this year, Hornqvist has fallen off the radar in Nashville and in the league. At 27 years of age, he hasn’t found the net like he did through 2009-12, but he’s also suffered a few injuries along the way. His recent 5 year deal with a hit of 4.250 till 2017-18 would easily be digested when 9MM is gone.

    Feel free to throw me to the wolves!! lol

    • CUP 2014-15

      I like Perron a lot but would cost. They gave up a lot to get him. Right age, goes hard to the net and can skate.

    • boom

      That’s a well thought out list. Personally, I’d love to see Simmonds. He’s a guy that can play throughout your top 3 lines.

    • Sensnation

      Some good names on that list for sure, I think it comes down to the cost to acquire them vs what they’ll deliver. Perron is the best on the list imo.

    • MethotToMyMadness

      Simmonds or Perron for sure. Perron was picked up by giving away Paajarvi and a 2014 2nd rnd pick. What would the Sens need to pull that off?

  • A-Train

    I don’t think the Senators have the pieces to bring in a true impact player. We used to: Bishop, Silfverberg, Noesen, our 2014 1st.

    Who else would they move now? The desirable commodities are going to be Lehner, Zibanejad, Ceci, Lazar, Turris. All players that could fetch a big return…but not guys the team or any of its fans want to see traded.

    I could see a minor deal to clear up the logjam on D — possibly a package to obtain a B-level rental, but I’m not expecting fireworks.

    • Alcatraz

      biggest trade baits who have some type of value
      Greening
      Cowen
      Gryba
      Claessen
      Puemple
      DaCosta
      We wouldn’t want to trade Ceci or Lazar or Lehner obviously, thats the build from within approach, but Puemple, Silfverberg, Noesen were all the gravy pieces of draftign well and accumulating picks

      • Sensnation

        At some point we need to keep a scoring winger or two to develop with our core of Turris, Zbad, Lazar, Karlsson, Cowen, Ceci, Lehner. Lots of talk of trading Stone or Puemple this year. Maybe wingers are better traded for than drafted though, really hard to predict their nhl viability.

        Wouldn’t trade Claessen though.

      • A-Train

        Cowen + Puemple is probably the most attractive trade package there. What kind of return would that fetch do you think?

  • illdistrict

    Interesting comment on Filatov. Currently he’s playing in the KHL for Sakavat Yulaev who sit 4th in their division. 13G 7A in 31 GP.

    Heck, he didn’t do much on his last call up but I’d give it another try..

    • Sensnation

      Said it years ago, he wouldn’t be ready for NHL until his mid 20s. Looks like he may finally be on his way, but still probably 1-3 years out.

  • Dirtysweetness

    Do you think Winnipeg would trade Andrew Ladd?

    • SensChirp

      Mentioned this last week I believe but apparently the Senators did ask about Ladd. Suspect the cost would be significant though. Also, the Jets are rolling pretty good under Maurice which has calmed a lot of the rumours in Winnipeg.

      • Sensnation

        Agreed, Winnipeg really pulled a good one getting Maurice mid-season like that.

  • Sandy

    Screw the player rental.. especially Moulson. Giving up quality prospects, especially to a division rival to have a good player for a couple of months? No..
    I would prefer a hockey trade for a good young player that is NHL ready but can’t make the lineup of a very deep team.
    That’s for Tyler Toffoli.. Good skater, goal scorer.. and has looked good in his callups for LA..
    The cost would not be as steep as for Moulson and Toffoli would be an RFA..
    BTW — I don’t think the Sens trade Cowen. I don’t think Murray will want to give up on a young 22 yr old player.. This team is about developing it’s young players. . Not giving up on them when they have played about 1 full NHL season and part of another..

    • illdistrict

      would certainly support additional of Toffoli, though the Kings are not in need of anything.. I don’t see them giving him up..

      • Sandy

        It’s been rumoured they are looking for a winger.
        Now I don’t expect Michalek to be good enough to get Toffoli alone.. if the Sens added a pick to that.. would it be enough?
        Would a ‘potential’ lineup as noted below be competitive enough?
        Ryan-Turris-MacArthur
        Lazar-Zibby-Toffoli
        Stone-Spezza-Conacher
        Neil-Smith-Condra
        Kassian
        I think given time and proper development.. Toffoli could be a comparable player to Logan Couture.. He was just as good in the OHL as Couture.

        • Sensnation

          He’d fit in nicely with the timeline of our current core. Short of his rookie season was even better than Couture, which oddly is the season they played on the same team.

        • sprucesens

          I would love toffoli! Maybe michalek is a starting point, but I don’t think they have that kind of cap room. I guess if LA is in win now mode, maybe they see him as a piece they can move, especially if the just keep sending him down. And michalek could be still seen as a valuable player, especially since LA saw him lots when he was in SJ. But wow, is that an incredible looking lineup….

  • SensChirp

    PA Parenteau not expected to play for the Avalanche tonight. Healthy scratch, apparently.

    • Sensnation

      That would be a nice addition if we can’t get Moulson.

      • SensChirp

        Senators had 3 scouts at the Avs/Panthers game on Friday, as discussed above…

        • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

          Hmmm….interesting option

          Not sure where I would see him though.

        • Sensnation

          Haha, ya saw that, unlike Alcatraz, i read every word you write ;)

    • Sandy

      Local kid..

    • illdistrict

      yes, he hasn’t been very good. I wouldn’t say he’s healthy scratch, out of shape scratch. Knee injury usually impacts conditioning.. Though i have only been checking up the box score and seen 0′s beside his name, haven’t see any av’s games lately.

    • A-Train

      There’s a name that makes some sense and had some history with the Sens in the rumour realm. Making 4M a year through 2016.

      Wonder what the Avs would want from us?

  • Simple Jack

    The only thing that concerns me with spezza’s point production is losing alfie and heatly as linemates that helped his stats. Eric karlson had good chemistry with spezza the last few seasons and ek65 might be spezzas best linemate.

    The sens have definatly changed their style of play under maclean and for some reason its effected spezza the most. I see turris as our number one center. We have both zibanejad and lazar soon to be pushing for a top six center role. So where does that leave spezza? Is he at his peak value? Is this a sell high before his stock falls? Is he willing to be a 2nd or 3rd line center under his next contract? Do we expect him to sign a 5-6 mil per contract without complaint? Does he expect more? Is this the right year to trade him or resign him? Too many questions that murray needs to ask him self and do the best thing for the team moving forward.

    • Sensnation

      I bet Murray already knows what’s going to happen with Spezza long term, the rest of us will likely find out next season.

      • Hax

        He absolutely has a plan of sorts. I bet the play of Turris and Zibanejad this year (i.e. that these two could be 1C/2C if needs be) might have altered whatever the plan used to be. Making him captain tells me that (at the time) they sort of felt that they’d need to keep him around – too hard to replace, too many years without enough depth at center etc.

        • Sensnation

          I have no clue which way he’s going to go, but he definitely lined up the team for life after Spezza if he decides to go that route. Turris, Zibanejad, Lazar, Pageau .. too many Cs for 1 NHL team, but if he decides to retain Spezza he’d be able to flip one for a position of need as he always does and Zibanejad’s stock will only be higher then. BM plans for it all! ;)

          • Sandy

            Lazar can play wing as well.

          • Sensnation

            So can Zibanejad, so they do have options. Personally I hate turning centers into wingers unless they are horrible at faceoffs and thus have no choice.

  • Dirk-Diggler

    What about trading for Adam Larsson? What do you think it would cost to get him from the Devils?

    • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

      Why would the devils trade him?

      • Joshua Delorme

        Adam Larsson is currently playing in the AHL .. Food for thought

    • Sensnation

      They build around those type of dmen, would cost a hell of a lot! I think every team would love to have a Larsson.

  • Tony

    Hearing Sam Gagner’s name getting shopped hard in the past 24-48 hours. Seems like a big push for a big D or big F. No rumours about Ottawa being involved though… Doesnt make me stop to wonder though…

    Sam’s a natural Centre but has been playing RW this season… That said, I ask myself would he be a good match for Spezza? Good leadership (on and off the ice), great hockey sense, great offensive abilities, and most importantly understands defensive play. He has the potential to become first line material… but how effective would he be at RW? I’m on the fence on this one… but I think he may be an “affordable option” (Something BM likes doing – bargain bin shopping) that can potentially fit a long term need.

    What do you guys think?

    • Sensnation

      Has the price come down? Last I heard Gagner’s the biggest piece they actually want to move in EDM, but they expect to solve all their problems in that trade.

      I think including Anderson would be the only way to make the price seem reasonable and that’s still a very debatable action as a lot of people have indicated.

      • Tony

        From what I hear they’re being “more reasonable” and are more perspective of the what others are willing to give.
        I like Gagner’s game but wonder if there’s such thing as having too many “Natural Centres”? I just dont want Zibby to be forced on a side… but then again I guess the same can be said about Sam.

        • Sensnation

          Agreed. And would trading for Gagner mean Bobby Ryan isn’t staying with our budget? Quite a price to pay for a natural c forced to wing.

  • Hax

    Trading Spezza would be a bold move but if there was a time to try it could be now/soon. As Chirp points out, the value is way too low at the moment but if someone has an injury or something who knows? Might be more of an off season thing and even then only if Spezza finishes strong.

    • Sensnation

      No trade clause, just made him the captain. It would take us missing the playoffs for them to even consider it in the offseason imo. Wouldn’t get best value right now though, for sure.

      • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

        I think it would take it getting to the point were extension/new contract is discussed and seeing if he is on or near to the same page

        • Sensnation

          Personally I think they already have an idea of what each other is expecting, but maybe once they actually sit down they will see more of a gap than expected.

      • Hax

        NTC absolutely adds to the picture. If Spezza is willing to provide a list of teams (he’s not required to) then it’s still possible. Don’t see why he wouldn’t.

        • Sensnation

          I think/hope the org is more committed to him than the fan base. I think Spezza likes it here, and short of Toronto not many teams in the NHL he might have dreamed playing for.

          • Hax

            I tend to agree and I think the goal is to resign him to a decent contract (not too long in terms of years, reasonable dollars). Just suggesting that with Turris and Zibanejad having such good seasons the option of trading Spezza is actually viable. If Zibanejad was still playing like a decent 3C and no better then I would say trading Spezza is a non-starter.

          • Sensnation

            Agreed Hax, a good 3 year term in the 5-6mil range would work, or longer for cheaper, but these 3 years terms being floated around are appealing.

            I think trading Spezza is viable for sure, we have incredible depth in this org, it’s even possible with the right return it makes us a better team, but it’s a trade you can’t mess up on. You can’t accept a Conacher type who won’t turn into the quality you gave up in this situation. It would have to be a surefire prospect, Turris type at the very least imo, plus picks.

          • Tcharger

            I don’t even know that a Turris type player would be worth it…you need to remember when we got him he was a borderline NHL player.

          • Sensnation

            Borderline player maybe, but still a top end prospect most thought would succeed once put on a team that would develop him properly. Turris success has really not suprised me, he’s developed into the player expected of him when he was drafted and still growing.

            He was supposed to be Gretzky’s franchise player there.

          • Tcharger

            Agreed…I honestly suspect that next year we are going to see another comparable jump in Turris to the one we saw this year.

            I just think that the reason you rarely see deals involving players of Spezzas level is because the returns just do not justify moving him…Unless we know for a fact that he will be lost for nothing.

          • Sensnation

            Agreed. All the trades that make sense have an elite player coming back, but that makes it even harder. For example trade Spezza for Eberle … well we need an Eberle to play on Spezza’s wing, moot point if we trade him.

          • Tcharger

            Using Eberle as an example, what would you be willing to throw into the deal to get that done?

            I know a lot of people will say nothing(not necessarily hear but maybe)…but why would Edmonton trade him for someone 7 years older?

            Who knows…I remember the Turris deal, everyone thought it was nuts that we threw in the extra pick, needless to say it looks brilliant now.

          • Sensnation

            Good arguments on both sides for wanting more in the deal. Personally I think Spezza is worth more to Ottawa than Eberle. Spezza would be a perfect mentor for RNH, though can a team really have two similar Cs with same deficiencies playing 2/3 of each game?

            Eberle has put up points and may be a leader, but again may not, he still has a lot to prove when it comes to winning in the NHL.

            Probably in the end throw a dman (Wiercioch, Gryba?)and later pick with Spezza for Eberle and their 1st. (I only say their 1st because we are rumored to be in the hunt for one, trying to include pieces we know the teams want.)

          • Hax

            I think if Spezza gets traded (and we’re very far into “if” territory here) the key piece coming back would be a top 4 D. Just doesn’t make sense for teams to swap forwards of significant value really.

        • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

          This would need to be done SO carefully though, to avoid the fiasco that was Heatley

          • Hax

            Agreed. Maybe step 1 would be to kidnap Garrioch and Brennan and hide them in Siberia until well after the trade is completed.

          • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

            Hahaha…screw until the trade is over, forever!

  • Sensnation

    What is the price on a Matt Moulson? (Just looking for some healthy dialogue)

    Vanek = 1st, 2nd, Moulson
    Kessel = two 1sts + 2nd rnd pick

    I think Kessel is slightly better than Vanek, but even at an equal ranking, was Moulson instead of that 2nd 1st rounder, therefore making the rental cost of Moulson a mid to late 1st or a 2nd plus prospect?

    And if that’s the case would you be willing to pay it?

    • Sandy

      Not for a 2-3 mos rental.. .No way..

      • Sensnation

        I don’t think you’re paying that full price unless you plan to re-sign him, and he’ll likely be overpaid next year.

        How about Conacher and a 4th, which is pretty much what we got for Bishop instead of a 2nd.

        • CUP 2014-15

          I would like that deal but there are too many teams looking for top 6 to expect the bidding to end that low. I could see something like Prince, Hoffman, Peumple etc. one of them along with a second next year and a third the following witch would become a first if he resigns. Not that I would pay that much, I just think this is the area the price tag will end up.

          • Sensnation

            I’d do one of those and a conditional 2nd (turns to 3rd or 4th if doesn’t re-sign), but I fear you’re right he seems to be entering crazy trade price territory.

  • my2sens

    Article on TSN asking why the Habs are falling. And this is where I draw an interesting conclusion IMO and thus am glad to have King Karl vs. Subban.

    The Habs have LOST all 4 games since PK’s ‘celebration’ and subsequent media firestorm.

    You cannot tell me that shit like that doesn’t filter into the dressing room…

    So with that, I ask fellow SC chirpers, who in the NHL (regardless of points) would you want to dress in a Sens uniform that would bring true character to our team?

    • SensChirp

      Alfie?

      • Sensnation

        Haha, was about to post same thing!

      • my2sens

        Would you welcome him back?

        • Tcharger

          I know I am in the minority….but no

          • my2sens

            I would be mixed about it, but I would have to say that the ship has sailed and him coming back would have the opposite effect.

          • SENSsmile

            I’m with you on that… absolutely not.

        • Sensnation

          Only if he came back tail between legs saying he was wrong about Detroit, but again we have to make the playoffs for that to be the case. Probably best that all parties have moved on.

        • Hax

          I don’t hold a grudge (and frankly I’m probably more inclined to side with Alfie in the he-said, she-said thing) but once you rip a band-aid off you don’t put it back on.

        • Sandy

          He never should have left. F’in Melnyk.

          • runningbear1974

            Can’t blame Melnyk for the decisions that Alfie makes… If Alfie wanted to be here he could be…

          • Tcharger

            Good luck convincing people of that…

          • runningbear1974

            I know… Same issue with my ex… I’m not responsible for decisions others make…

      • Cicero

        He could play on the third line with Spezza!

        • Sensnation

          Could you imagine, our leaders from the last cup run become the 3rd line for the next one!?!

      • runningbear1974

        In my mind, Alfie is not the man I thought he was… To be fair to him, I kinda feel it started after his concussion in the NYR ranger series…

    • CUP 2014-15

      Dustin Brown

    • Sensnation

      Mark Giordano or Steve Ott are quality leaders.

    • my2sens

      I think if we can find a top 6 character player, who in turn we do not have to sell half of our team to get, I would pull the trigger.

      Never would happen, especially in lieu of Stamkos being out, but would love St. Louis or, hell, even Sharp.

    • Cicero

      Move the C to Turris and you have my answer.

      • Sensnation

        In due time

      • my2sens

        That’s a tough one. Based on results, I would agree. But I don’t think he is ready for the ‘C’.

        If we are looking internally for true character and someone to change the ‘C’ to, my vote would go to the man in the dog house, Methot.

        • Sensnation

          This dog house visit has really soured me on Methot, along with his lower impact of play. Last year I was sure he’d get an A after Phillips left, now I’m not even sure he’ll be here next fall.

      • runningbear1974

        Turris is a winner… He tries hard, doesn’t whine… Doesn’t hack someone after getting hit (like Alfie and Gonchar used to do)…
        He’s a winner right now… If I get a vote, I say yes, he’s the man…
        There’s a reason Methot is in the doghouse, there’s a reason Methot isn’t as good as he was last year…
        And finally, there’s a reason that Turris is better than he was last year…
        Please, please make Turris the captain…

        • CUP 2014-15

          Well said re. Turris. In regards to Mathot, I think he is still the top 4 guy we all believed him to be. He has been expected to play with Karl, Cowen, CC, PW and EG. I am sure he would love to have a D partner he can play with on a regular bases. He is now getting teamed with EG again and it is looking more and more like Mac is moving toward them as a shut down pair. IMO, if he stops being used to plug gaps and gets a partner we will see the same guy we expect.

          • Sensnation

            Very true Cup, Methot is a creature of habit and having a consistent partner, no matter who that partner is, makes a huge difference in his game!

          • runningbear1974

            I think of Methot as our most versatile defenseman… If anyone is playing poorly, put him with Methot to turn his game around… I would have Methot stabilizing our weakest defense… I would also have Methot bringing in the young guys… He’s a very smart player that almost always makes the right decision…

          • runningbear1974

            I believe in Methot, I think he’ll figure it out, but maybe not this season… He’ll be fine, but I think his behaviour this year might mean he’s not captain material…

        • Sensnation

          I really think Turris will be this team’s next captain, but I also believe it would be best put off for another year or so. He turns 25 this summer, so he’s definitely not a full on youngin anymore, but no reason to throw that pressure on him earlier than needed.

    • Sandy

      The Sens haven’t done much better since that game.. but I think that coincided with the Stone injury that ended up messing 2 lines because for some reason they brought up a centre and not a winger?

  • FistsofNeil25

    I can’t see Murray pulling the trigger on any trades before the Olympic roster freeze. We’re in no man’s land right now in the standings and the upcoming games against CBJ, TB, TOR, PIT, STIL, BUF and BOS are going to give BM a better indication of where we stand as a team.

    If the Sens stumble over the next 13 days, I would hope Murray entertains offers for Michalek, Greening, Phillips, and Anderson before the deadline. I don’t think any of these four players should be returning to the organization next season. I don’t expect a huge return on any of these guys and I don’t expect Andy to be dealt until the offseason.

    If the Sens manage to stay in playoff contention until the Olympic break then I hope Murray doesn’t get into a bidding war for someone like Moulson. Would I like Moulson on the Sens? Sure I would, but not at the cost that would be required. If Hemsky can be had for cheap like many suggest, then I think that would be a great addition. The only negative with Hemsky is his health. I’ve always liked the way he’s played the game.

    I honestly think the trade deadline will come and go with Ottawa standing pat with the roster we have. I can’t imagine us dropping enough in the standings between now and then for us to become sellers, and I can’t see is surging up the standings enough for Murray to think it would be worth while to give up some of the future for a playoff rental.

    • Hax

      Unless we get blown away by an offer, Anderson shouldn’t be traded until after we’ve inked Lehner to a nice, long (and relatively cheap) extension.

      • Sensnation

        His lack of action should really help cheapen that number … almost as if it’s the plan ;)

        • SENSsmile

          It does make one wonder, doesn’t it. This could turn into a double-edged sword, however. If Lehner gets pissed off, he might want to move on… to SweDe-troit maybe?

          • Sensnation

            Tim Murray’s comments when he joined Buffalo really showed that they (Sens management) know Lehner is for real and will command big money eventually. Rask type stuff imo. I think BM and PM have prepared him to know his time starts next year and that he’ll be here to stay.

            I actually liked that PM went back to Anderson so much this year saying he is our number 1, because that shows Lehner that once he gets there he’ll be there for good!

            Rask had a 1 year 3.5mil contract prior to his most recent big payday, I think if we could get a 3yr/2-3mil a year area contract on Lehner it would be a happy medium for both sides.

          • SENSsmile

            Interesting, makes sense to me… thanks for these comments.

      • CUP 2014-15

        Bang on, Mtl made that mistake by trading Halak before signing Price. Removes a major bargaining chip.

    • Sensnation

      I sure hope you’d get a good return for those players or why trade them, especially Michalek and Anderson, they aren’t waiver wire material.

      A trade this week could help push this team up through this next stretch and make it a playoff team, instead of just waiting to see where they are. Both ways make sense, I just prescribe to the earlier trades are better mantra.

  • FBP

    So what would we pay for P.A? Greening, Corvo, Claesson?

    • Sensnation

      Preferably not Claesson, I’m really liking how he’s developed and would like to see him in camp next fall to get a better idea where he’s at against NHL competition.

      • FBP

        We’ve got to give up something that isn’t just salary dump.

        • Sensnation

          I agree, we have plenty of pieces, Claesson is just one I think you won’t get the value for. He was a 5th round pick, diamond in the rough if you may. BM and his staff were pretty sure he’d develop this way, but they’ve committed to him. Other GMs won’t see that value in him for a few years.

          Would rather see Wiercioch, Condra, Smith, Greening, Corvo, maybe even Gryba go first.

          • FBP

            I guess Greening and Wiercioch would balance the ledger.

          • Sensnation

            Is Parenteau worth that much though? I like him, just not huge on him.

          • FBP

            I feel like it would be a huge win for us. I guess I see Greening as having almost negative value at this point in his career/contract though.

          • Sensnation

            I like Greening, maybe because he clicked with Spezza that 1 season, or maybe because he’s normally a quality 3rd line player, but I’m not against him being traded if it comes down to it. As you said, a contract he was supposed to grow into has almost become overpriced and an impediment towards trading him.

    • FistsofNeil25

      No to Parenteau.

      • FBP

        I like that Parenteau scores a lot – but I haven’t watched him that much. A lot of points generally help.

        • FistsofNeil25

          I just don’t think Parenteau is a smart addition for a budget team. That 4 million dollar salary of his could be better allocated elsewhere.

  • FistsofNeil25

    As for Spezza, no way he’s traded this season. The time to address the Spezza situation will come in the offseason so the Spezza haters will have to be patient. For the Spezza supporters, don’t get too attached…he may not be around for much longer.

    I think the time to move on from him is soon approaching. He’s done a ton for this organization over the course of his career but he has very clearly lost a step and is no longer an elite player in this league. People point to the fact that Spezza has been a huge point producing machine over in the NHL (6th amongst active player) but IF he is no longer capable of performing to that level and his health is a continuing concern, then it’s definitely time to move on.

    People also point to the fact that Spezza has a NMC as a reason why he won’t be dealt. If you guys remember correctly, Spezza has approaching Murray in the past about whether or not a trade would be better for both sides. I think he would definitely be willing to play somewhere else. Who’s to say that he’s even interested in resigning here?

    At the end of the say, I appreciate everything Spezz has done here in his career. He has provided us with some ridiculous highlight reel plays year in and year out. He’s one of the classiest guys you would ever meet. He truly does care about the city and about the organization.

    • Cicero

      I’m no ‘Spezza hater’, but am advocating futures where he is traded. I want Spezza to succeed, and it grieves me to see him demoted as much as it annoys me to see the entire line-up get shuffled around because he cannot adapt quickly or fully enough to the system that puts points in the W column.

      He’s a gifted and still very valuable player — his limitation is that he relies on a specific skill set that doesn’t seem to mesh into the style of play PMac and the rest of management/scouting are building this team around. Lord knows he is trying hard and gotta love him for that.

      I guess it comes down to how one understands loyalty as a fan. I’m loyal to the team and looking forward. It doesn’t mean I don’t value the investment Spezza has made in the past.

      • Sensnation

        If we gave him a NTC as a combined loyalty, not sure asking him to waive it maintains that sense of loyalty. It’s a tough issue though, all depends how it is approached and I’m really on the fence about it overall.

        • Cicero

          Good point. The NTC should influence fanbase loyalty. Okay then I guess we do everything possible without disrupting other parts that are working or trading away top prospects until things become clearer.

  • Cicero

    Pls trade to 2015-16 Conference Championship team.

    MacArthur-Turris-Ryan
    Prince-Zibanejad-???
    Puempel-Lazar-Pageau
    ???-Smith-Stone

    ??? (Cowen?)-Karlsson
    Borowiecki-Ceci
    Wiercioch-Gryba

    Lehner
    Driedger

    oops…dropped Neil. where’s my eraser?

    • CUP 2014-15

      NO WAY, Wrong year, I’ve been dragging this handle around for almost two years and their wining the Cup in 2014-15 baby!!!!

      • Cicero

        hahahhahaa MY BAD!

      • runningbear1974

        What’s your winning lineup for 2014-15?

        • CUP 2014-15

          CMac Turris Stone
          Ryan ZBad Lazar
          (Andy trade) Spezz Prince, Peumpel or Hoffman
          Cowen Karl
          MM CC
          Boro Gryba

          Lehner
          Vet back-up

  • Tcharger

    Bruce Garrioch ‏@SunGarrioch 19m
    Told by league sources the #Sens TV/Radio deal will be “historical for the club and significant.” Should be done this week.

    Not sure what fat head is talking about…but sounds like more good news?

    • Sensnation

      These next rounds of TV/Radio deals are getting insane numbers. The scariest thing is that the cap ceiling could be over 80mil within 2 years if all these reports are true. What’s a budget team to do then?

      • Robert Lepage

        Move to Las Vegas…

        • Sensnation

          Haha, I had a nightmare about that once.

  • FistsofNeil25

    I have a question for you guys… how close do you guys believe we are to being a legitimate cup contender? I’m talking about being on the same level as Chicago, LA, Boston, Pittsburgh etc etc

    And which players would you like to see replaced or upgraded on our current players in order to brings us to that level?

    • Hax

      At least one year. And it’s got a lot more to do with our young guys maturing than anything else. One possible scenario:

      Karlsson, Turris, Zibanejad, Lehner, Cowen, Wiercioch all improve with another year under their belts. MacArthur, Ryan, Spezza, Methot all stay about the same. Anderson gets moved in the off season for a top 4 D or top 6 forward (part of a package). Some other smaller moves are made to shore up the lineup. The team then has one year to make a run and following that Murray has some decisions to make on who to resign etc but even in the worst case we have 4-5 years of really solid teams with the potential to make several “runs”.

      • Sensnation

        Hopefully we become Detroit and don’t miss the playoffs again for a long long time. BM has filled this team’s cupboard’s up and as long as another Muckler doesn’t come in, should be able to keep that going for a decade, maybe even two … hopefully!

    • Sensnation

      I think starting next year this team could start to enter the conversation, and then the year after that we’re likely to be in the top 5 discussion every summer (maybe because of our 2015 cup ;) ). So much hinges on what happens with Spezza and Ryan though in terms of what our roster would look like in 2 years. For next year I’d go with the following:

      MacArthur-Turris-Ryan
      ?/Greening/Puempel-Spezza-Stone
      Lazar-Pageau-Zibanejad
      Condra/?-Smith-Neil
      Prince/Hoffman

      Cowen-Karlsson
      Methot-Ceci
      Claesson-Gryba/Wiercioch

      Lehner
      TBD

      In other words Conacher, Michalek, Da Costa and possibly Condra and Greening should be replaced. Corvo is gone. Kassian doesn’t matter, could be here as enforcer or replaced with another enforcer, have nothing against what he’s provided in limited minutes. Phillips I’m cool with whatever BM decides to do, but if you aren’t keeping him trade him before the deadline.

    • Tcharger

      SO hard to answer this due to the Ryan/Spezza/Anderson question marks….out of the 3 I think Ryan is BY FAR the most important to hold onto….after that it boils down to what is offered for both.

      • Sensnation

        Isn’t it odd though that Ryan can’t get on the 1st line? When Spezza was 1st line C, coach didn’t want Ryan with him. Now that Turris is, he’s moving him around again. I know it has more to do with getting Ryan going than anything, but everywhere he’s been he ends up on the 2nd line, and long term he’ll be damn expensive for 2nd line minutes. Not disagreeing, just noticing the trend.

        • Tcharger

          I don’t really think (at least in our situation) it has to do with him…They are trying just about anything and everything to get some of our guys going that should be going(namely Spezza and lesser so Michalek).

          But I do agree, if he ends up being on our 2nd line(although Ideally it ends up as a 1a/1b line) it could be expensive, moreso with our internal budget than from a taking too much of the league cap space.

          If Melnyk opens his wallet a bit more this coming year, and into the following year(which is when I expect the high ups are anticipating us being legitimate contenders) then it won’t be nearly as big a deal though. I mean, if he ends up getting 6-8 million and we are spending to or near to a 80 mil cap it doesn’t really amount to THAT much money.(easy to say when it isn’t my money)

          • Sensnation

            Agreed!. Within an 80mil cap it makes sense, on a 50mil budget we need Turris style contracts only.

      • FistsofNeil25

        I don’t think any of those three players will be here beyond their current contracts to be honest. I hope Bobby re-signs but I still have a hard time seeing him wanting to stay.

        I can’t see either Ryan or Spezza wanting to re-sign with a budget team. It would mean less money and a lesser chance of winning a cup.

        • Tcharger

          I am still optimistic that this budget is sort of a realization from Murray/Melnyk that these last few years are developmental years therefore there is no point spending excess money to just have to trade it away or to lose early in the playoffs. When they feel it is closer to the time(say a 3 year window) they will have saved money and be far more open to spending money.

          Short term pain for long term gain sorta idea?

          • Sensnation

            I’ve felt that way too, getting his ducks in a row for future success. Also the new CBA rules and revenue sharing. But no matter what we are a small market team for the near future.

          • Hax

            I’m in the same rose-colored boat. Deep down I’m pretty worried that “budget” means we’ll never, ever spend and constantly lose quality players to the open market. But so far anyway the “budget” decisions also match up exactly with a team just not spending for sake of winning a couple extra games. Spend when the time is right (hopefully).

            If you play around on capgeek it’s actually hard to get this team to the cap without doing something silly like trading out Turris for someone who’s not much better but costs more.

          • Tcharger

            Exactly…which means we are pretty set to throw some extra money at Ryan/Zibby, whoever else gets out of their ELC.

          • CUP 2014-15

            I am of the same thought. Question is that if the floor is 60M+ next year and we say good bye to CP and MM, were going to have a tough time reaching the floor without signing a big UFA. That’s what happens when you get big value on performance like KT, Karl and CMac.

          • Sensnation

            Maybe this is why PW and Greening got so much lol ;)

          • CUP 2014-15

            Funny how they also keep popping up in the rumor mill. lol

          • Sensnation

            Should have given Corvo a raise, might be a market for him then haha

    • Cicero

      Being a smaller market team on a budget, the key will be having a system-based team that makes players better than their numbers indicate. We’re in that process now. Basically, we want consistency, team defence, speed up front and size in the back. Skill there is no shortage of with our young players. We’re almost there, and with the bonuses of a Karlsson, two great goalies, and enviable prospect depth. Things just need to ‘click’, and we’ve seen signs of it last season and this season.

      As far as roster changes…I’m starting to side with the Spezza camp, but I see him remaining to ‘tutor’ the young wingers coming up (Stone, Puempel, Prince, Lazar, Lindberg). One thing Spezza forces wingers to do is GET TO OPEN ICE. We see what happens when they don’t: giveaways. It’s kind of like having a high-pressure training camp during regular season NHL games.

    • Roar…

      Two legitimate top four defenders who play a solid 200 foot game and a top 9 forward capable of 40-50 points + 200 foot hockey. I’d say those pieces put Ottawa properly in the conversation as a balanced team and contender. Well… those pieces along with the continued development of what we already have.

  • Shibal

    I don’t think you guys should include Puempel in a trade conversation. He currently sits second on the team with 17 goals, only 1 goal behind Hoffman; He is truly a sniper. The highlight is that he got all those goals as a rookie while playing third line minutes for most the season, heck, he started the season playing the first 10 games on the fourth line playing with Darren Kramer.

    • Sensnation

      Puempel-Spezza-Stone in our futures? Definitely looks like BM kept the right guy between him and Noesen right now.

  • Hax

    The ironic thing about Spezza-Ryan is that if you were going to put them together you’d want someone really fast and really defensively responsible. The best person to fit that role is MacArthur but that leaves Turris looking for new guys to play with. So you sort of end up in a circle. Not sure that Greening, Michalek or Conacher are strong enough to play with Spezza and Ryan, though each could be “okay”. Then of course if you continue in that line of thinking who’s left for Zibanejad?

    • Sensnation

      Very on point! Too many Cs, not enough quality wingers.

      Right now the common comment is we are short 1 dman and 1 top 6 forward, would be pretty awesome if Claesson and Puempel filled those spots next year. May be a year early like Ceci, but they are showing good promise.

      • Roar…

        Something tells me Zibanejad would look pretty sexy playing wing for Turris haha. Just a hunch.

        • Sensnation

          If just 1 of Pageau, Zibanejad or Smith could make that transition to winger, it would solve 2 problems in 1 move.

          • Shibal

            Zibanejad is actually best candidate. I don’t really see how everyone sees him better as a center than a winger. He’s an absolute beast when he plays wing; He shoots a ton when he plays wing. Most of his points this year has come as a result of playing wing.

          • Roar…

            It’s just because he’s literally even more of a beast at center ice. He’s dominant out there – and he gets to make full use of his 200 foot game with center responsibilities. He’s born for that role. Ideally I’d like to see Pageau be the winger. I don’t know why we haven’t tried him there other than a lack of faith in his size but to me it’s no different than Conacher. And I think Pageau would be better. More finish.

  • Roar…

    I’m all for bringing in Hemmer on the cheap. Given his production, injury history and expiring contract I can’t see it costing more than a second rounder. Maybe less if we give them Greening or Phillips or something. Grant is probably another piece they’d have interest in but I’d like to hold onto him.

  • Tcharger

    On an unrelated point….our missed opportunity is on the verge of being corrected!!!

    Brian Lee is a UFA this year!!!!

    Hahaha

    • Sensnation

      After rectifying our previous Corvo mistake, would be great to fix this one too ;)

  • matsoukas45

    Now with this new tv and radio deal about to be signed the sens can`t go on the tv and radio and say they are losing money.Melynk says he loses 10 million dollars a year but lets look at everything new naming rights to the building which will be about 1 million a year the new national tv deal at least 12 million a year and now there regional rights which will be about 30 million a year on a low ball figure that`s about 43 million more in the sens pocket so 43 – 10 = 33 million dollars in the plus so unless melynk is pocketing the money there is no reason they should be losing money so they should be able to add to the budget not by a little but a least 15 million dollars more for next year.If they don`t something smells and the ass kissing media to the team should look into it but they won`t cause there more worried about being the friends to the team them investigating whats Melynk is doing to all this money.

    • Sensnation

      I think the numbers are still very much up in the air, but assuming he’s been losing 10mil a year most years, for several years, it may take more than 1 good year to get him to spend it all. I’m personally not worried about Melnyk though, he wants the sens to succeed as a business and a team in the end, and that only happens by reinvesting at least a portion of that money into the roster.

      Honestly his ego is the type that needs to bring a Cup to Ottawa in his life to cement his name and he knows/wants this.

    • Sandy

      Come on TSN.. you guys are the best.. get it done..
      Tired of Kypreous already and the contract really hasn’t started. It’s going to be a lonnnnggg 12 yrs

    • Sandy

      If the Sens are losing 10M a year.. then they have to be receiving revenue sharing if they are losing that much.. I don’t believe it for a minute..

    • Simple Jack

      How much did the previous media deals bring in for the sens? We had previous radio and tv deals so some revenue wascoming in, whats the dollar amount difference between the old and new deals?

      1 mil per year for arena title sponsor is peanuts in the nhl. Some ohl teams get that, london and windsor to name a few.

  • CUP 2014-15

    Cap floor next year will be around 60MM, Sens payroll is about 48.5MM for 16 players. UFA’s Milo, CP, Corvo and Kass. RFA’s Lehner, Conacher and Gryba. Even if we sign all three RFA’s it’s going to bring us in around 52-53 MM and 19 roster spots. This team needs to bring on a big contract through trade or a UFA. Thoughts???

    • bluebuyyoo

      Ok then. Fuck it. I’ll play.

      • sprucesens

        lol. LACE’M UP

    • Sensnation

      I’d imagine at least one of Milo or CPs contracts either gets renewed a bit cheaper or replaced with a similar one. Still leaves some good room though.

      Vanek and Callahan are the top winger UFAs imo. The rest of the top end is pretty injury riddled. Vanek sounds like he wants to stay with Tavares, and Callahan probably won’t make it to UFA status, though wouldn’t he round out Spezza or Turris line perfectly.

      After that it’s a lot of 2nd and 3rd liner types that aren’t overly exciting. Almost hope for the trade then to bring in that big contract player.

      • Tcharger

        Those are pretty much the only two I thought about…and not really a fan of Vanek(can’t explain why lol)

        • Sensnation

          Probably that whole fiasco that got him way overpaid on the last contract, but he scores at a pretty elite level. Maybe 2nd tier elite, if not 1st, now. Four 30+ goal season, two of them 40+.

  • Simple Jack

    I dont get why people think we need to spend to the cap to be competitive. The sens have been plenty competetive back when there was no cap. Smart spending has always worked for us.

    If we did spend to the cap and had players under contract that were under performing compared to their salary you guys would be complaining about contracts. Always having cap space will allow us to add for a cup run.

    The cap was only meant to stop teams with unlimited budgets from buying an all star team and buying their way to the stanley cup. The cap has brought parity,the number crunching guys can average the leagues teams cost to success on ice ratio and i bet the sens are one of the best teams for the buck in the league.

    • Roar…

      I don’t think anyone advocates we spend to the cap needlessly. Smart spending and making sure we have enough room to re-sign our developing players is good.

      I think what Sens fans want is just a bit more of the same. MacArthur was an excellent value signing. Sens want more of that. The way to do well in free agency is to target the 2nd/3rd tier guys that can be had for good value.

      Tom Gilbert is someone Ottawa should look long and hard at this off-season. Excellent underlying numbers in Florida. Should be available for a reasonable price. It’ll be easier to get him if we trade for him before the deadline. He’d really help fill out our defense with an experienced guy who can still play. He’s basically a much upgraded blend of Corvo/Kuba.

      Kulemin is another guy who might be had for the right price. Would be a massive upgrade on that 3rd line for Ottawa. Could be great value but I think there will be some other competitive suitors among the crowd on him.

      The issue fans have is that this year we flat out failed to protect our team. We set them up for failure at a time when we should be taking steps forward. How much better is this team right now with Alfie + Gonchar (or suitable Gonchar replacement) in the fold. So much better.

      • Sensnation

        I think if there was a scenario where Alfie + Ryan were both on this team, it would’ve been ideal.

        Gonchar though is having an even worse year. Not sure fans would stand for his play much anymore, I know I wouldn’t. But you are correct, we really could have used a Gonchar style veteran replacement, there are just too many bodies on our D to bring in more without sending some out. Corvo was to be the poor man’s version of that, but despite the media/fan praise early in the season he’s such a liability a more dependable top 6 dman would’ve been better … but then the budget hit.

      • sben

        we could’ve actually signed him. Heard it was between him and corvo. Corvo would take 900K and he wanted 2 million so melnyk forced the sens to take corvo.

  • Roar…

    I feel like the move will come before the deadline. Murray usually gets his business done a week or two before to avoid the craziness – he hasn’t in the past traded for the guys with the big price tag (i.e. Moulson). PA Parenteau, Hemsky, Tom Gilbert, and Ladd. These are the guys I hope we’re looking at.

    In terms of recouping a pick I hope we sell as high as we can on Phillips, it’s just time. Corvo could also probably be moved for a late draft pick. Clears some salary cap. We have Boro & Claesson down in Bingo anyways so we don’t really need to carry an NHL salary as insurance D.

    In terms of lines I would make some changes when we get healthy:
    MacArthur-Turris-Stone
    Conacher-Zibanejad-Ryan
    Call Up-Spezza-Condra
    Greening-Smith-Neil
    Kassian

    Wiercioch-Karlsson
    Methot-Ceci
    Cowen-Gryba

    Phillips-Corvo

    Wier is playing extremely well. It really needs to be recognized. Similar to how Zibanejad was not given the ice he deserved earlier in the year. Sure there will be some defensive lapses – but guaranteed Wier is going to do better in those 25 minutes than Cowen is doing. He’s been a train wreck out there and the madness has to stop. Insulated minutes for Cowen please.

    • Sandy

      There was nothing wrong with the lineup when Stone was healthy.. They were playing very well up front.
      It’s just they brought up DaCosta for what ever reason instead of a winger and they had to move two lines around to fit him in..
      Once Stone is healthy move him back with Spezza… and put the Smith line back together.

      They just need help on D.. IMO

  • Sensnation

    If somehow Anderson gets traded, is there enough support in Ottawa for a Ray Emery return as Lehner’s backup?

    • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

      Abso-freaking-lutely!

      He should have never left

    • runningbear1974

      I believe Emery was considered to be part of the problem in the locker room… Also, didn’t Lehner get into fight with Emery’s girlfriend concerning Emery’s behaviour towards a goalie that didn’t want to fight him?

      • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

        Hahaha totally forgot about that… And I still maintain my Abso-freaking-lutely And may even try to come up with a more enthused exclamation

      • Sensnation

        Completely forgot about that too. What’s better than 2 goalies who want to fight so bad they go at it in practice … scary situation or scare the shit out of other teams? lol

    • Sandy

      Unless Emery has completely changed his attitude and work habits/drug habits.. absolutely not..

      So the Sens can’t beat Carolina and the Jackets are up 2-0 in the first 10 min of tonights game. What does tomorrow hold for the Sens against the Jackets?

      • aegiszx

        What’s that saying, good guys always finish last? Yeah, Jeff Carter, Mike Richards, Ray Emery, and every other shipped out”bad boy” are laughing all the way to the bank… with their Stanley Cup in hand lol

        • Zelle

          Lots of good guys with Stanley Cup rings.

      • Sensnation

        I believe he has changed his habits, the media definitely loved whipping him though.

        • Sandy

          He probably deserved it..
          Late for flights. Getting into arguments with older people…

    • RUSH RLZ

      There are gobs of potential backups if we decided to go that route. No need to revert back to a (tainted) past and bring in a former, controversial player. And this is coming from a guy whose wife has an Emery jersey.

  • Moudy Mahfouz

    and Columbus is already up 2-0..Hopefully they play their hearts out so tomorrow they fall asleep agaisnt us!

  • Moudy Mahfouz

    Looking at the standings and games being played tomorrow night. Carolina plays Montreal, Detroit plays Philly, we play Columbus and Toronto plays Tampa Bay. Tomorrow is a huge night and we need 2 points!

  • Tcharger

    Sportsnet ‏@Sportsnet 13m
    Report: #Canadiens turn down trade that would’ve sent #Avalanche forward P.A. Parenteau to Montreal for Rene Bourque. http://ow.ly/t0MDw

    My god I would have offered to pay all of Colorados salary as well if they took Bourque

    • Moudy Mahfouz

      That is insane..Isnt Bourque having a really bad season

    • Sensnation

      Wow, I know Parenteau makes 1.5mil more per year for next 2 years, but you’d think they’d have jumped at that! Really shows how much more goes on behind the scenes to reach their decisions.

    • sben

      don’t know if it is a one for one trade. Other items must be involved too. But with the money wasted on bourque and his awful season any trade would be worth it. Colorado dodged a bullet.

    • Sandy

      Parenteau – 9 goals and 26 pts in 41 games. Plus/minus 0
      Bourque – 7 goals and 8 pts in 39 games. Plus/minus -6
      Yeah don’t know why they turned that down..

    • Shibal

      Montreal also could have had Jagr this past Summer as he was actually interested in playing for the Canadians.

    • Zelle

      Sens management seems to make odd moves at times though.

    • SENSsmile

      What are we missing here??

    • Deadly

      Maybe Montreal has ownership issues.

    • Jonny

      COL wanted a 2nd player, MTL said no.

      • Tcharger

        Depending who it was it is still insane

  • RUSH RLZ

    Even if just for the mood in Sens land… I’d like love for Murray to have his moment during the next month and be able to say, “we are spending like drunken sailors!”

  • Jason P.

    Why haven’t we seen Ryan – Spezza – Zibanejad?

    • iKarly65

      that’s a lot of right handed shots on the same line.

    • runningbear1974

      We also haven’t tried Kassian with Spezza… or Pageau with Spezza… or Turris with Spezza… But, i think we tried every other combo…

      • Jonny

        We should really try Spezza and Karlsson, lol.

    • Jonny

      No but the 16-19-93 line was doing well until 19 got hurt.

  • Zelle

    Woah after having a 2-0 lead for a long time CBJ lost in regulation 3-2 to Carolina.

    • Deadly

      They will be angry tomorrow night.

  • Skunkpuncher

    If they are serious about winning a cup the worse thing we could do is trade our prospects, picks and kids for players like brad boyes,ales hemsky, eric brewer ect, we will not win nor will they be worth keeping as none of them are upgrades to what we already have.If we are going to do this lets do this right and get 1 or 2 high quility players insted of 2 or 3 mediocre players.It might cost us Zibby and Lazer ect but the better you give the better you get and IF we trade some of our top prospects for high quality players at least those players we get still have value so if we have to blow it up after Murrays two years or whatever they will have value and we flip em to the next contender and start a new rebuild.Last thing this team needs is more Campoli,Commadore or God forbid Muckler type deadline deals ie. Laich for Bondra

  • senate19

    Hey, so I have a question but I don’t know where else to ask it – it’s totally off topic.

    Based on plus/minus, if you remove all the minus players from your team and replace them with career + players, wouldn’t you have an awesome team? I mean if you think about it, if Karlsson is a minus player, he’s hurting the team more than he’s helping, isn’t he?

    Now, I know, +/- is horrible, doesn’t mean anything, I do understand that it’s a very flawed stat, that’s not exactly what I’m wondering about..

    I’m just thinking, if you have a team that’s full of + players, they’d probably win a lot of games wouldn’t they?

    • Deadly

      Every player would be on the ice for more goal scored than given up. This doesn’t say when the goals are scored or given up. A bunch of one goal losses could be offset by one big win so the team could be 1-6 in the win loss totals.

      • senate19

        I guess I just wonder, if you’ve got a guy who’s been in the league for 7 years and he’s a career +12 consistently or something, and flies under the radar because he’s not a big name, and you, as the GM filled your team with all these players. You know you’ve got a ‘defensively sound’ team, who’s consistently on the + side of things.

        Surely there’s something to be said about players who are always on the plus side isn’t there?

        • Deadly

          Anaheim have about 3 players in the minus. Pittsburg around 6 including Letang.
          Building rosters is a process.

        • runningbear1974

          I would also guess that being a plus player, that you would also be more coachable… Therefore having only plus players, could allow for more varying strategies…

    • runningbear1974

      Looking at our team’s plus minus there are 2 surprises for me… Zibanejad being a negative player, and Conacher being a positive player… People say Conacher isn’t doing anything, but clearly he is, and overall it’s positive… I don’t see Zibanejad as negative player, i feel in this case, this stat is not giving a real indicator of the type of player he is…

    • senate19

      So now I wonder, like I said earlier: as much as I love Karlsson and wouldn’t trade him for anyone, if he’s a minus player, and Spezza too, for that matter, they’re really hurting the team more than they’re helping it aren’t they?, wouldn’t it make sense for them to NOT play?

      • runningbear1974

        I think Karlsson is having a really tough year… He’s coming back from major injury, and looks like he’s having marital issues… He’s also really young.. I think this year is a practice year for him, he can’t keep doing what he’s doing, he has to play a little smarter… It seems like he’s trying to push himself to find his limits… Hopefully he figures it out …

  • Dirk-Diggler

    I can’t see Ottawa making a trade that involves any of Zibanejad, Turris, Lehner, Karlsson, Lazar, Ryan and MacArthur… Almost anyone else can be had for the right price but those guys are what the team intends to be contributing heavily 5 years from now when we are a true contender.

  • SenaTHOR

    How is +- worse than corsi as a stat when the final objective is to score and not be scored against. Sure you can take a ton of bad angle, inaccurate shots and have a high corsi but in the end its all about goals. I don’t think +- is a great stat but I can’t see how it is any worse than possession corsi/fenwick numbers. A stat like passes attempted, passes missed, passes caught/not caught, puck possession gained, puck possession lost would be good stats.

    • Hax

      The problem with plus-minus is that it doesn’t take into account who you’re matched up against. If you look at plus-minus AND you’re really aware of what role the player has then it can be useful.

      Karlsson plays over half the game some nights so his plus minus is going to be impacted more by what other players do (positively or negatively) than someone like Condra for example. Condra plays less minutes but plays mostly a defensive role – often against the other team’s top lines.

      Just one example of course, but advanced stats that try to incorporate who else is on the ice are more telling. I’m not a huge fan of advanced stats – would rather watch the game and make my own decisions on who is playing well – but plus-minus can be the most misleading stat there is.

    • Alcatraz

      Plus/Minus is more a testament of who you are on the ice with. In 2007 Tom Preissing was top 3 in +/- in the league for us. But thats because he was on the ice with the pizza line all the time

      Yes goals matter, but the possession numbers and corsi take into account chances of scoring. Its a predictive stat whereas +/- is a reactive stat

      Chances are if you are taking bad angle shots, or shots being thrown on net uselessly, it still means you have the puck in order to do it. Macarthur started the year off cold. He had no luck and wasn’t scoring. But the Corsi numbers said something differently. They predicted if he kept doing what he was doing, things would change. Corsi also predicted Turris last year would be bound to break out. Now what do we have this year? Turris+Macarthur=1st line machines

      If you would have looked at Macarthur’s +/- after 10 games it woudl not have been great, but his corsi’s were great. Simply put, corsi allows you to measure and predict for future probability. +/- is more of a lucky stat. It doesn’t really tell me if the player is good or bad

      • runningbear1974

        What does Corsi predict about Spezza and Zibanejad?

    • runningbear1974

      Plus minus needs to come with a story that explains it…

  • JimmyTang

    With emergence of Stone – could Stone hand Greening be available :)

    Interesting.. Ceci has been great for us and the 8 defense logjam – something has to give..

    Gryba – has upswing and pack Greening – could we get a top 6 forward ? – Not sure..

    Wiertcioch – is interesting to me – why he can’t crack the lineup after signing him to a pretty decent deal… Could he be packaged with Greening…

    I think that’s what we’re looking at – Phillips I think will stay – home town discount and as you can tell from Gonchar departure – you need some experience back on the D.

    My buddy would love to see Cowan hit the road – but I think that size and grit would be sorely missed – yes he’s not tearing it up – my major injuries take time and way too early to give up on him..