Strong Effort Spoiled in Colorado- HIGHlights

SensChirp January 9, 2014 449
Strong Effort Spoiled in Colorado- HIGHlights

QUICK THOUGHTS

-Despite the end result, this was probably as good as the Ottawa Senators have looked all season.  If not for the last five minutes, we would all be talking about how the Sens had easily handled one of the better teams in the West.  Frustrating to lose a game the way they did but there was a whole lot to like about this game

-I hate to blame the referees for a loss.  Wait, maybe that’s not true.  It’s more that I hate that I ever have to blame to referees for a loss.  With the Senators up 3-2 in the third period and pressing, the refs put their whistles away.  I counted 5 or 6 clear penalty calls that went uncalled.  Officials knew the way the Senators power play looked, another call would put the game out of reach.  Yes, it went both ways as the Senators got away with a couple calls late.  Fact is, if the referees continued to do their job, Ottawa would have won that hockey game.

-Small sample size obviously but there did appear to be some chemistry between Jason Spezza and Mark Stone during their 5 on 5 shifts together.  They connected for a couple solid scoring chances and seemed to be finding each other all over the ice.  If those two can click along with Colin Greening, the Senators suddenly have three pretty dangerous lines.

-Paul MacLean will have a decision to make when Chris Neil is ready to return to the line up.  Jean Gabriel Pageau has not been used on the wing at all this season and with the other four centre spots booked up, it would appear he ends up being the guy sent back to Binghamton.  We shall see.

-Mentioned this on Twitter and in yesterday’s comment section but a good source informed me yesterday that Pierre Dorion would NOT be going with Tim Murray to Buffalo.  Good news for the Senators as losing Dorion would be a huge blow to the organization.  There is apparently a chance that pro scout Rob Murphy joins Tim in Buffalo though.

  • my2sens

    Sens vs Avs

    Great game. I think the Sens showed that being a mile high above sea level did not affect them. Same cannot be said for the refs. They were so winded in the 3rd, they couldn’t blow their whistles. As with Chirp, the Sens would have iced the game had a couple of those been made.

    In the end, my hat goes off to the Avs – they are a great team with a lot of speed and great players. Of course, if refs call each game for them like last night, no wonder they are where they are!!

    Last night was another strong (INTENSE) game by Ryan and Z-bad!! Spezza started slow and with the Sens down 2-0, I was truly thinking of finding a way to ship him off – anywhere. But he turned his game around and found late chemistry with Stone.

    Greening still seems lost though… hopefully someone can find a use for him.

    And for all those questioning the Kassassin… I thought last night was a phenomal game for him. He had energy, back-checked and even set up some chances!

    Hope Pmac told the boys that they had played a great game and they ‘won’, because they did!!

    GO SENS GO!!!

    Let’s go Fishing for a win in Nashville and have Carrie singing the blues!!

    • NickofTime

      I don’t get the Greening hate, he is clearly the defensive conscience on that line & there were a few occasions where it was Greening & Stone creating offensive chances with Spezza no where to be seen. With Greening that line is bigger, tougher & he brings the speed, not the other two. Greening had several chances to score last night if he could ever start burying his chances this Greening crap should go away. He is Ottawa’s best defensive forward & that line needs him when the other two give the puck away.

  • FistsofNeil25

    Sens played a great game last night. They definitely deserved a better fate and those six posts they hit were definitely the difference between winning and losing. Us Sens fans should definitely feel good about the direction our team is trending in. They seem to be getting better game after game and the Turris and Zbad lines continue to dominate the puck.

    I really hope the boys didn’t dig themselves too much of a hole early in the season. They’re starting to look like the team we all expected them to be. They’re definitely one of the better teams in the conference.

    • TookieIs100PercentRight

      Did he?
      Easy tap in goal on the powerplay, pretty inviisble the rest of the night and on the ice for the game-tier. Usual Spezza night no?

      • Doc

        No.

      • Sensnation

        Did you watch the game, or just the highlights? Those who watched the game saw several more opportunities that I’m sure TSN missed in their highlight package.

  • Yukon Cornelius

    I only got a chance to see the OT and I am relieved to hear that it wasn’t indicative of the Sens play during the rest of the game.

    Controlling the game against one of the league’s best teams (especially when you consider their advantage because they’re accustomed to the altitude) and getting a point out of it is fine in my books. The next 5 games are all ones these boys can win if they continue playing like they have been.

  • FistsofNeil25

    Spezza looked good in his return last night. I like how Maclean used him on the powerplay with the Turris line and Karlsson to give him a chance to get into the game and gain some confidence. You can tell he’s still missing a step or two but hopefully he can leave his injuries behind and get his strength and conditioning back to where he needs it to be.

    I’m hoping that Spezza and Stone can build some chemistry and give us another scoring line. They showed some glimpses of what they could do last night. I’m not entirely convinced that Greening is the guy that should be lined up with them though. I wouldn’t mind seeing Hoffman given a chance with those two.

  • spezzerman

    Sens looked amazing last night, all four lines were rolling. Potvin stated last night that minor penalties are down this year to levels not seen since the 70′s. I was surprised by that but last night certainly was a game where whistles were weary

  • spezzerman

    Chirp – you have been critical/skeptical of the internal budget and Melnyk’s willingness to spend, or lack there of. Brian Murray is likely to sign an extension and as you said, Dorion will be sticking around with him. You think Murray signs an extension with an owner unwilling/unable to finance a champion caliber team and get Murray that Cup he desperately wants and deserves? A cup punches his ticket to the HHOF and I imagine at 70+ he isnt messing around or willing to waste time.

    I dont think Murray signs on again if he has any inkling Ottawa will never spend.

    Thoughts?

    • SensChirp

      You can be certain Murray has asked about budget flexibility during his ongoing contract negotiations.

      • spezzerman

        Agreed, without question.

    • CUP 2014-15

      Well said, he is like the Dick LeBeau of the NHL. He still has years to go to catch the best D coach in the NFL. We have to stop thinking of him as 70 and thinking of him as Yoda.

    • runningbear1974

      And, if he doesn’t sign… What do you think he’ll do? retire, some other job, GM somewhere else?,

      • spezzerman

        Tough to say – my bet is he really wants a cup but contending teams arent usually in the market for new GM’s…

        • runningbear1974

          That option seems hard to believe… You’d think he’d want to win with what he created… 2-3 little moves could make all the difference to this team…

          • spezzerman

            Well, I think he resigns here and finishes the job he started FWIW.

  • Alcatraz

    First order of business for Tim Murray:
    Trade Ehrhoff to us for Weircioch, Da Costa and Greening

    • FistsofNeil25

      I like Ehrhoff but that contract of his is a scary one. Signed until 2021 with a NMC. I wouldn’t touch that if I were Ottawa.

      • spezzerman

        All his money has been paid. His actual salary is less than his cap hit for every remaining season under contract. I’d like Ehrhoff….

  • MethotToMyMadness

    Wow, how many posts can you hit in one game back to back to back to back. I mean, that in itself was the difference. It should have resulted in at least another goal. And those last minute none calls, well… so be it.

    Sens played a great game, should NOT get down on themselves for it and should consider is a victory from a point perspective. Does suck we didn’t even up with the Leafs, but with any luck Carolina will drop them and we’ll jump ahead by 1 when we beat up Nashville.

    Go Pesky Sens Go!!!

  • CUP 2014-15

    Good game last night. 5 min. in it looked like it could be a long night but CMac got the lads going and the rolling of those top 3 lines is what this team will need after the Olympic break when the sched gets tighter and legs get weaker. A fourth line of Smith, Neil and Condra should be able to hold their own in +- department and buy the top 3 some rest. This is the team we were looking for and it’s only taken a half season. They sure have no problem scoring, now cut down on the PIMs and get solid goaltending and it will not be T.O. were fighting with for positioning it will be the Smurfs. Dec 8th we were 8 back of T.O. now just one. Were 9 back of the Smurfs, let’s get to within one by the Olympic break. GO SENS GO.

  • Zelle

    I was frustrated last night, I thought they were going to pull it off. I’m happy with the point though. I’m also happy that the Sens finally look like a team that can roll four full lines. Spezza also did some good. Many, many positives that I hope the boys can bring to the next game. Hopefully they can work on the first and last five minutes of the game though as that seems to be their unraveling.

  • Hax

    First two Avs goals were fluky so while it sucks to only get one point the effort by the team was great.

    Stone might stick but it’s pretty early to know for sure. In a perfect world he does stick and JGP goes down I think. Though would be happy with JGP still here if Stone’s only “meh”.

    Hope to see another solid effort in Nashville. Mental toughness of this team looks much better lately so let’s just start another win streak right away.

  • Aaron 2.0

    I’m still shocked so many people are going on about the reffing. We scored 2 of our 3 goals due to a blown call… The team looked pretty good last night (aside from the start and finish of the game, and to a lesser extent the individual periods). If they put in a full 60 against Nashville, I like our chances of running the point streak to 7 games!

  • jasonontheoldsenschirp

    Ya it was a tough loss, but a good game and a good comeback. Gotta also give credit where it’s due, the Avs had a lot of key injuries and still managed to pull it off. In sports sometimes the better team doesn’t win but it was nice to get the point and if the guys play like this on Saturday I don’t see why we shouldn’t squash the Preds.

    Also, it’ll be nice to watch once fan-favourite Mike Fisher again! Still my favourite hockey player and the original reason why i’m a Senators fan.

    • sprucesens

      yeah, fish is one guy I would love to get back if we could. I’m sure the pick was better long term, but the guy would be amazing as our 3c right about now. Even at 4-5mill, we’d have plenty of room. Imagine adding him at the deadline, especially with rumours of him breaking up with underwood, unless I read wrong. Wouldn’t that be amazing(for the team, not his breakup)

  • NickofTime

    I can’t believe how many critics Greening has on this board, don’t people see how much this guy does defensively? Don’t people notice that the coach has him out in every critical defensive situation? Don’t people see how important it is to have Greening with Spezza & Stone? Stone is not the fastest of skaters & Greening is the fastest skater on the team. Spezza gives the puck away regularly & they need a fast player to get back quickly to defend against those give aways.

    Greening had 37 pts playing with Spezza two yrs ago & made a couple of nifty offensive plays last night with Stone. This is going to be a good line as I have been saying from the start of the season but it needs Greening to be effective at both ends of the ice. Remember Spezza is a minus 15 this season, they have to have a defensive minded player with them, he is terrible in his defensive zone.

    • Hax

      I agree for the most part. Greening’s offensive hockey sense might be lacking but his defensive side is really strong. Plus he’s a machine and never gives less than 100%. Matching him up with Spezza and Stone could be the perfect combination.

      • A-Train

        The most relevant criticism of Greening has to do with his salary, or at least the salary he will soon be making.

        2-3M a year is simply too much for a guy who brings what he brings.

        That’s not a knock on Greening necessarily. Just seemed at the time — and even more now — like a sentimental signing.

        • CUP 2014-15

          Unfortunately being a pro athlete unlike the rest of us means the world knows what you earn. I think this team believed he would be a 15-25 goal guy that could bring a physical element with his game. That would make him worth his pay cheque, however I try not to get pissed at a player for taking the money, that’s hard to do as I am a money ball type of guy. If we didn’t know he was getting 2.65 a year with his new deal, you are right, there would be less anger toward him. By the way the A-Train was one of my favs when he was here.

          • A-Train

            I guess I look at a team like the Blackhawks. Over the past decade they’ve locked-up the key talent (Kane, Toews, Hossa, Sharp etc) while making some tough choices in letting guys like Bolland, Versteeg (for a while) and Buf leave once they priced themselves too high.

            You may LIKE those guys, but the reality is you can get something similar at a cheaper price.

          • CUP 2014-15

            To that point, this is what I believe the Sens are doing, if you like these Kids we have. Our payroll will skyrocket just resigning Bobby, CMac, Lehner, ZBad. Conacher, Stone, Ceci etc. As an organization we are looking at a ton of young talent that is going to drive the dollars, so signing a UFA for 5-6 mill would mean saying good-bye to one or more of these lads. Already a good job signing Turris Karl and Smith to long term deals at a steal of a price. Karl will be earning 6.5 while DP will be making 7mill and PK even more. Turris might be the best contract in the entire league. Rambling now….

          • A-Train

            Of all the guys you list there Ryan is the only one who deserves an elite contract right now.

            The challenge going forward is to figure out where some of the other guys you mentioned fit.

            Can’t have third liners making 3-4 million or more, especially in an “internal cap” world. That’s where the tough choices come in.

          • CUP 2014-15

            Unless the floor goes to 60-65 mill. Then a third line winger at 2.65 isn’t bad. Just numbers and as goes the cap goes the salaries. That being said you are correct sir, for every dollar you over pay you have to find players that over produce at that same dollar value. Turris !!!! He and Karl buy the GM some wiggle room as their numbers should cost more to obtain then the 10 mill against the cap these players are being paid.

    • spezzerman

      More shocking is how many spezza critics there are…

    • Tooks

      He plays with no emotions, like he doesnt even like hockey. I get he can play defensively but at some point he’s gonna have to produce offensively or he will be replaced, and the sooner the better.

      • Doc

        What? lol…

        • Tooks

          4th in hits is nice and all but do you seriosly think atleast half of those hits are legit, like actually hitting a guy hard, no, he does alot of soft hits. How many guys fall off a Greening hit…Not many.

          • Doc

            Chair. Apple. Sky.

            Oh I’m sorry… I thought we were just saying random things again.

          • CUP 2014-15

            LOL

      • Sensnation

        Haha classic Tooks, thinking fans will be upset after a loss, comes in trying to tear everything apart. You misjudged the fan base though bud, we’re too happy to deal with your shenanigans today! This is another building block in a season that continues to trend in the right direction.

        • CUP 2014-15

          well said. He’s so bad at trolling that he makes it too obvious. I can’t even take the time to comment on his lunacy. The corner has been turned, first on the list to pass the buds, done by Monday, then the winged wheel. That will be soon enough as they are in tough for the next 8 games. Then were into the part of the season where the tough get going as they say and as last year we know that the smurfs will fall apart, Subban with cry and it will be all over for the poor little guys again. Go Sens Go.

          • Tooks

            You said the same thing a month ago when we were 2 pts from the Leafs…I guess you can just keep saying it and eventually maybe you’ll be right…LOL.

          • CUP 2014-15

            Can’t believe I am wasting my time, but what the hell. As usual your wrong AGAIN!!!! I was the one who gets pissed off when we sent Boro down and don’t play Gryba. I like a tougher D. I have NEVER said negative shit about Spezz. Now go back to your leaf site, cry with the rest of the losers and Good-bye troll.

        • Tooks

          What is Greening’s play have to do with Fans being upset we lost? LOL, read bud…read.

          • Sensnation

            I guess your glasses are failing you, you should do the same thing you just suggested and read!

    • Doc

      Agreed. Plus he’s fourth in the league in hits.

    • sell the team Eugene

      SOMEONE has to play defense on the Spinner Spezza line

    • SENSsmile

      Thumbs up, Nick. Greening is probably very much underrated, as you aptly point out. In doing so, however, your arguments bring to light Spezza’s glaring defensive weaknesses. At some point, unless his play really improves significantly in the short term (which I certainly hope), teammates and fans will reach a point where they feel that Spezza requires too much maintenance. The team needs the real Spezza NOW!

      • NickofTime

        Agreed, although it looked like there may be some chemistry with Stone & Greening. If this trio could click, Ottawa rolls three scoring lines & a 4th energy defensive line. I think it will be nest season when Spezza is in his last season of his contract where the decision is made on whether to re-sign Spezza or start shopping him. Considering his injuries & his offensive production dropping that could be the time to trade him. I think they still need him this season, next yr Grant should be NHL ready & could move into the 3rd or 4th line centre spot still giving Ottawa some size & strength down the middle.

  • jasonontheoldsenschirp

    These kind of games leave weird, bittersweet tastes in your mouth. It was a loss, that felt like a victory.

    Anyone else feel the same way?

    • Tooks

      Its a loss, yes we get a loser point, but any other way you look at it, IF this was the playoffs, we would be down a game. All the good things/positives we had dont mean shit if you lose. Main goal is to win in the playoffs, not lose and find positives. Thats a fans loser excuse for a loss.

      • Deadly

        It must of been a good effort because this is your first comment. Unless I missed something last night.
        Leafs play tonight…

      • Sensnation

        If it was the playoffs? It wasn’t, and in the regular season you get a point for a good effort like that and it’s worth celebrating … well unless you’re not a sens fan and you’re upset we got a point closer to your leafs who are FREE-FALLING!

        • Tooks

          Might not be the playoffs now but it will be soon enough and if we have good efforts and lose in the playoffs, will you be this happy…I dont hink so. Just saying, dont get in a habit of playing well but losing.

          • Sensnation

            If we lose game 7 of a round in a game like this in the playoffs, yes I will be happy, because I’m one of what like 5 people in Ottawa who truly has believed all year this team would make the playoffs.

            Also still better than the leafs collapse last year.

            Again so many ifs. If we lost a game like this in the preseason would you even care? So look at it for what it was a REGULAR SEASON 1 point loss. Take the point, the 50 min team effort and move on! The regular season is a marathon not a sprint, you just need to be standing at the end!

      • xN1Cx

        blah blah…
        Yup, I still felt pretty good after this game as well. It was easily top 5 on the effort scale for this season. Was also smiling from ear to ear every time Kassian tried to dangle. Guy must be great in the locker room. I noticed during the pregame that he was throwing little cross checks at Spezza along the boards to get him fired up.

        Can’t wait until Saturday!

      • bluebuyyoo

        But, it’s not the playoffs. Considering the play of late, especially against western teams, there were many positives that can be taken away from this game. The good things/positives do mean a lot right now as they can be very motivational for the younger players as the team pushes for a playoff spot.

  • Hax

    BTW Chirp – love the idea of you adding “quick thoughts” on the game highlight posts.

  • jasonontheoldsenschirp

    Will Tim Murray ever smile? Guy is still serious even in his own presser

  • jasonontheoldsenschirp

    I would also not be opposed for one second of having Pierre Dorion in a higher up position [which is expected], and even eventually our general manager. He’s the best in the business when it comes to understanding hockey talent.

  • esk

    sooo wouldnt it be a conflict of interest for ottawa and sabres to make deals? i’m guessing the NHL will the review the fuck out of any deal between the two organizations…

    • Sensnation

      If they became ridiculous trades maybe, but the sens have made several trades with Boston over the years that Chiarelli’s been there and I don’t think there’s ever been a hint of an issue.

      • CUP 2014-15

        Sorry Nation, I am not rebuking what your saying but the only one I remember was the Kelly for a 2nd (PRINCE). Were there others? Put up with me man, I am old. LOL

        • sprucesens

          maybe he means letting chara walk so he could sign in boston. that would be a pretty big reach though. But on to esk’s point, I think murray has some sort of relative that run’s Anaheim, no? And we just made a blockbuster with them.

          • Sensnation

            You could add the Chara situation as one that may have resulted in extra scrutiny, but no I was not including it.

          • CUP 2014-15

            Very good point, I have been in business for over 30 years and it is about relationship building and Trust. You may have something here.

          • CUP 2014-15

            Just checked and BM was GM for less then 2 weeks when the big Z walked and Shaffer was the year before.

          • Sensnation

            BM being the GM is not the question, it was Chiarelli going to Boston that was the issue being discussed and he was in Boston at the time of the mentioned trades.

            Doesn’t matter who the GM of the Sens was at the time, the potential conflict of interest would be between the organization (Sens) and the GM in Boston (Chiarelli).

          • CUP 2014-15

            My bad, I was thinking BM replaced him here and looking back PC left here in 06-07 so the time frame with Shaffer and Z is time framed correct. I try to forget Muckler.

        • Sensnation

          Peter Schaefer for Shean Donovan

          • CUP 2014-15

            Yes, but wasn’t that before PC went to run the Ruins ? If not, cool and thanks.

    • esk

      Tim murray is his nephew i believe…family ties.

  • PraiseAlfie11

    The thing I loved about the game last night is how it seemed like men (sens) vs boys (avs) for a good percentage of the game.

    If they play like that for the rest of the season, a deep playoff run is very possible.

  • Sensnation

    “Look for the Senators, meanwhile, to promote hockey management staffers Randy Lee and Pierre Dorion to twin assistant GM positions.”

    http://www.senatorsextra.com/main/tim-murray-calls-sabres-gm-job-the-right-situation

  • CUP 2014-15

    Good luck Tim, well at least in your off ice life. Thanks for the hard work and great results. GO SENS GO.

    • Tooks

      Anyone catch that little dig at Eugene by Tim…..ouch. So it was about our Owner all along.

      • bluebuyyoo

        Missed the conference. What did he say?

  • Alcatraz

    Garrioch saying we want a 1st in this years draft again, and Tim Murray expects a phone call for one of theirs

    • Hax

      Garrioch is an idiot. Of course we’d love to have a first but does he really think that Tim is just going to give us one of his? And Dorion has already gone on record saying that he’s okay with not having a first this year since the pool isn’t above average.

      Though I guess if there’s a guy in our farm system that Tim loves that nobody else really loves as much he might be willing to take him.

      • Alcatraz

        Maybe he loves Puemple and was the reason we traded assets to get another 1st round pick

        • Sensnation

          I would keep Puemple over a 1st in this year’s weaker draft. He’s still a pure goal scorer with a decent chance at a good nhl career down the line.

          • Hax

            Yeah that’s a tough one. I think it would be a draft day thing where we’d have to want a specific guy in the draft over Puemple and also be willing to wait a couple more years for that guy to be ready. In fact, I think it would be more about the timing of when the player was expected to be in the NHL than anything – for both sides. If Buffalo wanted someone ready “now” and we were looking for a guy to be ready in a couple of years then I can see this trade happening.

          • Sensnation

            Agreed Hax, and as Tim said in his conference we won’t really know much until closer to draft day. I wouldn’t be opposed to trading some of quantity right now, just would rather a current upgrade over future picks/potential. Our window is about to open, most players being drafted this year won’t be ready for 2-4 years to even start contributing in the NHL.

      • Doc

        One of the main reason they decided to part with this year’s first round pick in the Ryan trade was exactly because that the draft is not that deep.

    • Sensnation

      I just read up on this rumor, and it sounds like Garrioch is predicting it based on Sens missing the playoffs. I’ll tell you what, doesn’t matter, sens will be in the playoffs. Moot point!

  • Sensnation

    Anyone have a link to the Tim Murray press conference?

  • Spezza plays – team loses

    To me, Spezza has either been

    1. Hurt all year

    2. Past injuries have caught up with him and this is just who he is now.

    Either way, it’s concerning.

    If this is the Jason Spezza we have for the future, he is not worth
    resigning for 6-7m/yr. especially on a budget team like the Sens. It
    makes no sense.

    I honestly feel as though if we don’t trade him (or sign him to a 2-3 yr
    deal at around 5m per) he could become our Brad Richards.

    Since this team has to squeeze every penny for the foreseeable future, I
    don’t want a guy making 6-7/yr and playing 50-60 games a season.

    • thepez

      Spezza will be 32 when he becomes a UFA. I would not give him more than 4 years. If he isn’t willing to stay for that term then they have to trade him. a team like the Leafs will blow their brains out for him at a 7 year deal for 7+ million a year.

      If I’m BM I extend as soon as I can bobby ryan to a max contract and extend MacArthur to a 5 year deal.

      • A-Train

        definitely a big decision, a lot depends on what the “internal cap” situation is.

        • Senatollah

          A lot depends on what the NHL salary cap is. How much and how quick it rises, if it stagnates.

    • Sensnation

      Complete over statement!

      Did you miss the start of the year when he had a hat trick and 16 pts in the first 14 games? He was also playing more physical to start the year, because I remember commenting about it.

      Gotta love how fans make generalizations that just don’t add up to reality.

      Spezza is who he’s always been, not much has changed (slightly older) other than fans’ perspective of him. He’s high risk, he has defensive lapses, and he puts up points when healthy. He’s also a beast in the faceoff circle and still acclimating to being the captain of a really young team that had little if no chemistry to start the year!

  • FistsofNeil25

    Gotta think that the possibility to have a shot at Ekblad and McDavid in the next two drafts was appealing to Tim Murray. He has the opportunity to build that team from the ground up now which must be a dream come true. It will be interesting to watch what moves he makes in the next little while.

  • spezzerman

    Daniel Alfredsson is #22 on the all time NHL earnings list. Fuck this cheap -ass organization and their inability to pay someone what they “deserve.”

    P.S tongue planted firmly in cheek

  • Dirtysweetness

    I love the parting shot from TM about Buffalo’s commitment to spend money when the time was right.

    • Sensnation

      Parting shot? All GMs and owners say that same thing every time a new GM is hired … except for in Phoenix. I find it interesting how fans, who are obviously upset with Melnyk’s budget, assume it was a parting shot. He’s just saying it’s the perfect opportunity for himself. Murray said the same thing about Melnyk several times over the years.

      • Tooks

        IF you dont think thats a parting shot, your lost.
        LOL nice damage control tho. #fail

  • Sensnation

    Faceoffs Won 457
    Faceoffs Lost 349
    Faceoff Percentage .567

    Short of his 5 game appearance last year, Spezza is on pace for his best year in the faceoff circle. I haven’t seen 1 person mention this, I guess cause it’s a positive in our Captain’s favor.

    GO SENS! GO SPEZZA!!!

    • Andrews theory

      You know who else is good at faceoffs?

      Konopka….it’s a nice skill set but the other prices need to improve.

      • Sensnation

        So in his 30s he needs to get faster, stop making high risk plays, go north-south not east-west, back check first instead of go for offense first … in other words Spezza has to become someone else. Why’s that on Spezza and not fans unreasonable expectations?

        • Andrews theory

          You can accept as is all you want, that’s your perogative as a fan. 7 million a season with a C on your chest places higher expectations from a lot of other fans though and I don’t think that’s unreasonable. I wouldn’t criticize if I didn’t believe there is more there to give…

          • Sensnation

            More to give, yes, he’s been playing injured for a quarter of the season, when he’s healthy he does have more to give. But to expect he’d be a different player is a completely different situation, and fans are expecting Spezza to be someone he isn’t while still putting up the same offensive numbers.

        • s3nsfan

          That’s performance you expect from 20 – 21 year olds not from a 10 year veteran with a C on his chest. Not overly hyped expectations.

          IMHO

  • Andrews theory

    Reality is that game last night was 5 posts away from being a total blow out. AVS escaped but they know this…

    All I ever ask for is effort.

    Personally I think Pmac should’ve called a time out in the last few minutes to calm everything down. Colorado had them on the rope and you could feel a goal coming.

    As a side note, what a ridiculous plethora of wealth in that forward group. I’d take the young AVS over the young oil any day every day

    • MethotToMyMadness

      It’s funny you mention this. I had this conversation with a co-worker today. The Oil have been building up for SO long, but at the same time, so have the Aves, just not in the same spotlight.
      2013- 1st rnd, 1st overall MacKinnon
      2012 – No first round
      2011 – 1st rnd, 2nd overall Landeskog
      2010 – 1st rnd, 17th overall Hisbhon (nobody really)
      2009 – 1st rnd, 3rd overall Duchene
      2008 – no first round
      2007 – 1st round, 14th overall Shattenkirk, who become Johnson and McClement, and a 1st in 2011, which I think was Landeskog.

      You can keep going, they just appear to get a great 1st round every 2nd draft. It’s kinda crazy really.

      • peetypuck

        They got Varlamov for their 2012 1st round pick. They also got d-man Siemens(?) around 12th overall in 2011.

        • MethotToMyMadness

          As I had said, you can just keep going. The Ave’s have put together a recipe that basically see’s them progress far one season and the next, somewhat tank, Is it intentional? I would usually say no. But how can something end up looking so systematic?

          • peetypuck

            This is pretty standard among a lot of US teams. Pittsburgh, Chicago, T Bay, Florida, NY Islanders. Just add up all the top ten picks these teams have had over the last ten years.

  • LeafsSux

    I see what you did there in the title today Chirp.. ;)

    • FBP

      Pepsi Centre is 5280 feet above sea level.

      • CUP 2014-15

        AND CHEEB IS LEGAL !

  • RUSH RLZ

    For what it’s worth there is some chatter that Del Zotto talks are heating up and that Ottawa are one of the potential suitors.

    • CUP 2014-15

      NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

    • CohMa

      Sounds good to me… We could take Del Zotto and Stepan, and they could have… I dunno…. Spezza…. :)

      • Tony

        I hope not… especially if Edmonton might come knocking for Spezza before the deadline

        • son of a Diefenbaker

          Spinner Spezza would NEVER wave his no trade contract to go to Edmonton.

          A contender like Boston / Pittsburgh / L.A. ? Maybe

          • Tony

            True…. might be a Heatley V2 situation

          • Tony

            But, then again… Edmonton has alot of offensive talent, and Spezza might enjoy orchestrating it… plus he’s used to playing in the Canadian market…

          • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

            How would Spezza being moved to Edmonton and refusing it be anything like Heatley?? Spezza would have essentially been ran out of town…. Right there the comparison to Heatley can end.

          • Tony

            Sorry my reply was poorly writen… the context I meant it in was… Trying to deal a star player to Edmonton, and the player blocking it… Spezza has too much class to do what Heatley had done

          • Jacques

            Why would those teams want him?

    • Tony

      Talks also heating up in Edmonton. Looks like the Oil is looking for another 1st rounder (doesnt want to trade theirs) to shop for a veteran 1C.

      Hearing that their talks are concentrated on Philly atm and are trying to get both their first and Simmonds… Philly are looking at Yak/Eberle/Gagner

      If MacT has his way, he’ll land that first rounder, then zero in on that C. From what I hear Spezza is one of their interests.

      • Tony

        Talks with Philly have been going on for a while now… heard it was probably close a while ago, but that first rounder demand put it on hold

      • Zelle

        Oilers are so badly managed. They seem to think that a team full of first rounders is a sure fire win to a cup.

      • sprucesens

        I would think we would want more than just a 1st for spezza if that were to happen. I’m not sure if we could get a 1st and eberle. Techincally we would be shedding salary and recouping our 1st rounder while keeping elite talent in ebs. We might have to send something else to actually get a 1st with it. But I can see Edmonton starting to really get desperate to start winning. If spezza would waive his no trade to go to Edmonton now, they would have a much better chance at signing him longer term.
        They could run with spezza, nuge as their 1/2 punch, and trade gagner for a goalie, likely someone like reimer, as rumours have been swirling there for a while. I think those trades would help both clubs. It’s been noted for a long time that the oilers have liked spezza. Maybe spezza and Anderson gets you eberle a 1st and dubnyk. Not that I want anything to do with duby, but they won’t run with 3 goalies, and we’d need someone to open the bench doors, while lehner runs the show.

      • Laurence Babchyuk

        That would be amazing to have a player like eberle. Specialy if were losing MM9 next year… We will need some fire power at the wing since were quite stacked at center.

        Spezza + for Eberle !
        The + could be a defensemen le Gryba

    • Sandy

      I wouldn’t want any part of Del Zotto anymore. With the way Ceci is playing.. Why would you want him here?

  • Sensnation

    Wade Redden just announced his retirement. Crazy end to his career, but he was a good player for the Sens and a great guy for this community for a long time. All the best in the next stage of life!

    • Tooks

      I hope Phillips was watching…

      • Sensnation

        If only troll fans would have a retirement age as well, we’d have something to look forward to with you!

  • matsoukas45

    Eugene says they will hire within that means they are going on the cheap.This doesn`t make any sense i own my own business i would never let my competition take my front office staff unless i was cutting back and in money trouble.It should quite obvious that Melnyk is money trouble and you can`t not run a team on the cheap which he is trying to do,cause in the end the product on the ice suffers.Tim Murray said as much.Its time for the reporters that cover this team to do some really reporting and not just listen to what the sens are saying like overrated Garrioch.Melnyk said he loses 10 million a year the new tv deal will give him an extra 20 million in his pocket so how can he still say he will lose money,it doesn`t make sense it smell rotten.You don`t let your competition take your best front office talent you don`t its bad business and one day the product on the ice suffers.

    • Sensnation

      100% disagree. This is how pro sports works. When you have a GM opening you interview the assistant GMs of other successful management teams.

      I posted this already below, but “Look for the Senators, meanwhile, to promote hockey management staffers Randy Lee and Pierre Dorion to twin assistant GM positions.”

      http://www.senatorsextra.com/m

      Nothing about this screams Melnyk being cheap, and I’m sure you’ll see in 2-3 years that Melnyk was just getting his ducks in a row now for future long term financial success. Don’t forget that the new CBA changed the requirements to receive revenue sharing.

      • peetypuck

        I wonder how much from the new Rogers broadcasting contract will actually go to the seven Canadian teams?

        • Sensnation

          Found this in an article. It’s not specific to the number each team will get, but it’s a good starting point. Should help Canadian teams the most.

          “The Rogers deal is worth $5.2 billion over 12 years. The agreement doubles what the NHL previously received, from about $190 to $433 million a season. Teams are expected to evenly share in the revenue (although Canadian teams are expected to get a bit more as an “invasion fee”), with a subsequent jump in the salary cap.

          To put this deal in perspective, the 10-year agreement between NBC and the NHL is only $2 billion — less than half of what Rogers is paying. Consequently, Canada’s seven-team NHL presence makes up 70 per cent of the NHL’s television revenue.”


          So if it was split evenly it would be just over 14mil a season per team, up from an even split of 6mil currently. Theoretically should add 8+mil per season to each Canadian team.

          • peetypuck

            Rogers will now be the lone Sunday broadcaster in Canada. That means the Canadian teams will lose that revenue from their regional contracts.
            Yes, 1/30th of $433 million is $14.43 million. That means the seven Canadian teams will receive a total of $101.03 million. The other $333 million goes to the US teams. I hope everybody enjoys subsidizing rich multi-billionaire Americans.

    • Sandy

      IF Melnyk is losing 10M a season then the Sens are getting revenue sharing.. which apparently they are not. I think the Sens are making $$ (IMO) at least according to Forbes.. and he is taking that profit and trying to recoup his losses on his bad outside investments. I’m beginning to think the only revenue stream Melnyk has now is the Sens.. that’s why he says he is not selling.

      I don’t believe anything he says anymore. I’m getting pretty sick and tired of it..

      And this was a dig at Melnyk:
      “If you’re a good team you have to spend to the cap.” – Tim Murray

      Even if Tim was to succeed Bryan, I don’t believe he would have stayed.

      Why would you not want to go to a team that you can re-build yourself… have an owner who has sufficient outside wealth to spend whatever the cap will allow.. vs an owner who no longer has the money. It’s a no brainer to me.

      IF he continues with the purse strings.. and Bryan retires, it’s going to be almost impossible to get a decent GM in Ottawa…

      • matsoukas45

        Thank you someone who gets it.Melnyk is in trouble money wise he is going to cut and let all our good scouts and staff leave to save money he will penny pinch everything,then it will show on the product on the ice.Randy Lee will become the next GM and wasn`t he the head trainer at the beginning what quailfies him to be GM he knows nothing about spotting talent but what he will do is be hired for cheap another Randy Sexton in the making both where hired by owners who are broke and what happened to those teams they suck.I agree the money the sens make Melnyk puts in his pocket for his life style.It`s time for the city beat reporters to start doing their job and look into this instead of being the teams cheer leaders i.e Garrioch .

        • Sandy

          Well he does have a blonde lady friend he probably needs to financially keep

  • MethotToMyMadness

    Well, Wade Redden has retired. I think most of us expected that announcement last season, if it wasn’t for the surprise signing in St Louis. He had a good career and made out VERY well in the buyout. I don’t think he’s going to be hurting. Enjoy the relaxation Wade.

    • Sandy

      If Melnyk had the $$ this would be a really good PR guy in Ottawa. He was well-respected in the community for his charity work… And as the female member on this site… he was very easy on the eyes..

  • Sensnation

    Been trying to find more information on the NHL’s new CBA revenue sharing, but for the most part I haven’t found a full explanation. However there’s an underlying theme in all the articles I’m reading

    “For the NHL’s middle class, the new revenue distribution deal might make the difference between a profit and loss, but the teams who run deep deficits every year will still lose money with the new deal. They’ll just lose less.”

    Sens have been a borderline loss team, so if Melnyk lines it up right the Sens should become borderline profitable.

    Another point of interest, the previous idea of making the 2nd round to become profitable no longer applies. Teams participating in the Stanley Cup playoffs (regardless of their earning power during the regular season) chip in 35% of gate receipts from home playoff games.

  • MethotToMyMadness

    Was reading TNS’s TradeCentre. It mentioned that Boston has been losing since Seidenberg has been sidelined. And there are names out there who Boston may go after. There is a list and it includes these guys:

    Dan Girardi, Michael Del Zotto, Mark Stuart,Christian Ehrhoff, Andrej Meszaros and Chris Phillips along with Kimmo Timonen, Ron Hainsey, Nick Schultz, Henrik Tallinder and Rostislav Klesla.

    I had no idea that Phillips would be on anyone’s radar.

    • Sensnation

      I’ve heard that a few places this week. He definitely does fit the bill of a playoff rental type of D, but are the Sens really ready to part ways with him? Is he ready to leave? Will the return be worth it?

      I would say if you could get a 1st or early 2nd for Phillips or Phillips + something small, do it. If not he may be more valuable to this team for the rest of this year and potential playoffs.

      Ideally BM would bait and switch it for Corvo at the last minute lol ;)

      • Hax

        Phillips has a reputation of (still) being a great playoff shut-down D. He’s also heavily rumored to really want to retire as a Senator after one more contract. Doesn’t mean we don’t trade him and we do seem to have more D next year than we can use, but I’d be surprised if he was dealt unless someone really overpays. No way he goes to Boston unless we fall right out of the playoff race as well.

      • Sandy

        Phillips for Kelly.. LOL

    • sprucesens

      yeah, I mentioned that at the end of the day a few posts ago. Phillips name has been connected to boston a few times, from a few blogs and papers. I think if murray tells him we won’t be re-signing him next year, he may jump at the opportunity to go to the B’s. And I would think we could accommodate a lesser price to do so. Having said that, it would nice to have someone retire as a life long senator. But the blue line is getting too crowded next year, for us to really have room to offer him another contract.
      I think BM asks him at the deadline of his preference of playing out his contract and not resigning/retiring, or if he wants to go to a contender now, and possibly resign with them. Chris has earned the choice. Either way, I think i’d prefer if he wasn’t on the team next year. Obviously from a future perspective, getting something for him would be great, but at the same time, keeping him and having him retire a sen would be a nice story. We likely aren’t going to get something that is going to make or break our future anyways. I’d leave it up to him

    • 110000111111101010101010

      The Boston GM is from Ottawa – he LOVES his old players.

      CP04 as a playoff rental to a contender for a 3rd or 4th round pick could happen

  • SenaTHOR

    I was cursing Gryba at the game for getting beat to the outside on the equalizing goal. Didn’t watch the replay. Watched it today and was surprised that Landeskog never got the shot or deke off. It basically rolled into Anderson who punched it back out. It was Stone who was ever so slightly slighly behind (A for effort) his check for the tip in. I was impressed with Stones hustle. If it was Spezz he would be above the circles waiting for a breakout pass.

  • MoeDozer

    ive only had the chance to meet karlsson once during the 2010 season when he was still barely scraping 170lbs or so. but man has this kid got thick , no wonder hes starting to hit more and not be intimidated by almost anyone.

    fun video of the boys playing football:
    http://senators.nhl.com/club/blogpost.htm?id=24935

    starting to look like the winning team we are used to with the amount of fun and chemistry displayed,
    note: huh would have never guessed bobby was a lefty (unless im mistaking him for a different player in that video)

  • Andersonfan41

    Will Melnyk look for a bussiness partner or sell the
    team so we are not like the Expos so we can eventually
    spend to the cap?

    • 110000111111101010101010

      I need you to name even one successful business man who would be willing to take on someone as bizarre as Melnyk as a partner.

      Anyone else ?

      • Sandy

        I don’t think it will be a partnership… it would be a new owner.
        But he says he won’t sell…. So is he going to run the team into the ground?
        Can the NHL do anything?

        • Sensnation

          If the NHL didn’t stop the Edmonton owner from pretending to look at other cities, they aren’t going to stop Melnyk for trying to even out the balance sheet.

      • Richard Gough

        The owner Minto homes ?

        • due due dew doodoo

          The owners of MINTO might by the team outright.

          Being a partner of EM ?
          No way in Hell – they’re too smart.

    • Sensnation

      We’re in a small market and expect an owner who will just throw money at this team year after year in an ever increasing max cap scenario? I’m pissed at the way he tried to hold the city hostage too, but that doesn’t mean everything about the way he’s running the sens is wrong. People are in overkill mode this season when it comes to Melnyk! Let the chips fall first and go from there. Big TV contracts, revenue sharing, CTC contract, are all going to increase the bottom line.

  • Sandy

    Someone had an interesting thought on RSU Facebook page…
    Why didn’t the Sens sign Redden to a 1 day contract so he could retire an Ottawa Senator?
    Pretty good idea..

    • Sensnation

      Agreed, would have been nice to see. I remember back in the day people thought he’d one day get his jersey retired here. How fast things change. I wonder if part of it is that the current ownership and management team was not really around for his heyday.

    • SensChirp

      Unfortunately I don’t know that the two sides ended on the best of terms. His refusal to waive his NTC hurt the organization. I remember when he decided he was coming back to the NHL, I asked a source if the Senators might have an interest and the answer was “No chance in hell.”

      Did a lot of good things here but the book has long since closed on his time in Ottawa.

    • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

      Interesting and good idea should never be used in the same sentence as Rsu.

      Bunch of idiots in that group.. Total wastes

  • Sandy

    Interesting:

    Steve Lloyd ‏@TSNSteveLloyd 6h

    5 current NHL GMs have spent time coming up through the #Sens organization. T. Murray, Chiarelli, Shero, Nill, Kekalainen

  • Sensturion

    I was under the impression that teams that “poached” a GM or something similar from another team were required to give compensation. Didn’t Ottawa get compensation from Boston when Chiarelli left? If so, does Buffalo need to compensate Ottawa?

  • Sandy

    5-1 Carolina over the Leafs in the 3rd. Wash winning… at the moment. If Wash wins.. Leafs fall out of the playoff position..

    • Aaron 2.0

      With leafs and wings both in free-fall, all of a sudden the 2 divisions look pretty even. Washington could be tied with Detroit. Carolina tied with Toronto by the end of the night.

  • aegiszx

    Andddd the Leafs mid-season collapse has arrived just on time. And now it’s time for the Sens to surge.

    Man, if there’s one thing that never seems to fail me, it’s the Leafs prepping for gold season in January.

  • Aaron 2.0

    With what’s going on in Toronto, is Carlyle safe? I really do my best to avoid anything about Toronto, so I don’t really have a sense if that’s a possibility for this team. I’m hoping they are committed to him, because I really feel that he’s a terrible coach for today’s NHL.

    • Sensnation

      I imagine they may give him through this year if they stay within playoff distance, but he’ll be gone either at the end of the year or sooner imo.

    • due due dew doodoo

      Carlyle is one of those coaches whose shelf life is about 3 seasons.

      He’ll be gone soon and resurface somewhere else in a few years..

  • Sandy

    Toronto lost 6-1 and with the loss they fell out of the wild card spot replaced by the Rangers.. who have the same # of points but more ROW’s.
    Wash just won, so they now have 48 pts tied with Detroit.. but have more wins..
    So Wash goes to the 1st wildcard spot.. knocking Detroit down to the 2nd spot.. and the Rangers fall out.

    The points are so close…

    Wash 48
    Det 48
    Rangers 47
    Toronto 47
    Sens 46
    NJ 45
    Now Toronto plays Wash tomorrow night.. that won’t be easy either.. Detroit plays later tonight against SJ… so with a win they could go back into 1st wildcard spot. Detroit I guess is on that California trip… that’s not an easy one..
    This is going to be an exciting run to the end. How much will teams.. like Detroit.. older and who have 10 top players going to the Olympics affect them down the stretch..

    • MikeS

      wash is third in the met. So slip everyone up 1 slot

    • Sensnation

      The best part is you know Toronto is going to keep falling! I don’t even worry about them when looking at the playoff picture. Just hoping NJ and Carolina don’t get hot in the 2nd half, and really neither of them are as good as Ottawa on paper.

    • Jacques

      Tooks will be in a piss poor mood tomorrow. His laughs are toast!

      • Sensnation

        Haha, I was about to post that exact same thing! No one can lose as epicly as the Leafs, they’ve just perfected it over so many decades.

    • due due dew doodoo

      Hey – they did sign DP03 to a bajillion dollar contract.(hee hee)

    • Aaron 2.0

      We’re so lucky the east is terrible; we’d be toast in the west with our points totals (along with all of these other teams, including Detroit). For all of these teams it’s almost like last year. Might as well consider these teams starting pretty much equal, with just under half a season to play! I didn’t honestly think we’d get back here with how inconsistent we were. But, things are certainly looking up. My biggest fear is still finishing 9th. If we’re in this sort of race at the deadline, our team will be in limbo (sellers or buyers). It’ll make it hard to do anything. Then if we end up out of the playoffs, that not only hurts now, but we’ll also feel it next year (realizing we should have been sellers). I am hopeful we can make it. But, the reality is that only 1/3 of your listed teams will make it. I think you’re even missing a few (e.g. CAR is right there too), so it’s even worse than 1/3.

    • Tooks

      Yep its gonna be a dogfight, thank God the East is terrible, we know the Laffs will fall, the Habs will continue to play well in the reg season but collapse in the playoffs.

      Should be a good fight between NYR, WSH, DET, OTT, NJ (Tho I dont see them pushing for a spot)

    • 383

      With all due respect Sandy, getting pretty sick of people of here just throwing out playoff scenarios without ACTUALLY knowing how the new playoff format works. No, Washington would not and does not hold a wildcard spot with the win last night, Carolina does. Washington because of their DIVISION jumps back up to 3rd in the Metro. NO, Detroit doesn’t fall out of a spot, Toronto does.
      Remember folks, it is based on DIVISION FIRST then the next two highest
      regardless of division. It’s so annoying to see people discuss incorrect information on here about the playoffs constantly.
      That being said, yes it is tight, and yes, we NEED to win Sat regardless of what happens with TOR v WSH tonight. No 3 PTS game!!!

  • Sandy

    Looking at Detroit’s upcoming schedule… Yikes..

    @Sharks
    @Kings @Ducks
    @Rangers
    Kings
    Blues
    Blackhawks
    Canadiens
    Panthers
    @Flyers
    Capitals

    • Tooks

      Yep thats a pretty rough stretch but they will come out even, if its one thing the Wings can do is overcome adversity. A Babcock coached team fighting for its playoffs will be a very dangerous foe.

      • Deadly

        Unlike the Leafs,I think you are right.

  • Andersonfan41

    I like the video posted on the Senators website of the players
    playing football after practice it looks like they were having fun!

  • Tooks

    Thats a pretty sweet site SC.

    http://www.sportsclubstats.com/NHL/Eastern.html

    Not very good news for OTT but gives a great breakdown for all the teams.

    • Doc

      Stats schmats. It’s ok Tookie, we already know you disregard stats. So technically the Sens are fine!

      • Tooks

        Yep 29% fine.

  • A-Train

    Bad news in the business pages. Canadian dollar falling fast. Probably not a return to the 62c days, but not good news for small-market Canadian teams.

  • Andrews theory

    It’s so ridiculous that Toronto let McAthur and Grabovski go. Their two best possession players with high iq and speed… I knew it would backfire lol.

    Guess the cup is not coming to Toronto this year after all

    SUCK IT

  • Andrews theory

    I think Ottawa will slip into the playoffs. Their last 10 games have generally been much better with the exception of a few soft goals and defensive breakdowns. Much better team than we were seeing sept-nov

  • SensChirp

    Could be a quite day in Senators Land- Time for somebody to submit a new ChirpEd entry. Been far too long!

    • Doc

      Damn it Chirp. I first read your comment as “Could be quite a day” expecting a big trade. Now I realised you just made a typo.

      Sadness.

      • SensChirp

        Haha ah damn it. Sorry bout that. I was saying the exact opposite too

        • Deadly

          Going golfing so I don’t mind.

          • SensChirp

            Kinda chilly for golf

          • Deadly

            Even here in Florida,but no complaints after tracking Ottawa’s weather.

      • Michenator

        I thought the same thing Doc! Then realized awwww bumbum.

    • A-Train

      How about some trade talk? What do you think about this idea the team will go after one of BUF’s firsts?

      • SensChirp

        I understand the potential interest but wonder who we have that would be of interest to a rebuilding Buffalo team that would make sense to give up right now.

        • Sensnation

          They’ve always loved diminutive speedy forwards, how about Conacher+

          • A-Train

            See Conacher’s a player I could see burning us after being dealt.

          • Sensnation

            He doesn’t fit in longterm. He may be useful on a team that has room for him in their top 6 and gives him the minutes, but on a production per minute basis, he’ll never be enough. What hurt us was getting him for Bishop.

        • Doc

          And to be honest this year’s draft is nothing special compared to the last two.

  • SensChirp

    Fill in the blank- The most pleasant surprise on the Senators roster this season is ___________

    • Deadly

      Ceci being up .

      • A-Train

        Love how well he’s playing, worried about his age.

    • A-Train

      Hands down Clarke MacArthur. Seemed to me like a pretty ‘meh’ signing at the time. I was wrong.

      • Tooks

        Not a surprise for me, would help if you watched hockey other than the Sens.

        • A-Train

          Nice assumption buddy. Actually, I live in Toronto and because of damn blackouts and constant coverage I probably see and definitely hear more about the Leafs than the Sens.

          So yeah, I knew a lot about Clarke MacArthur but I think even the most optimistic fan didn’t picture him on our first line. Did you?

          • Tooks

            I expected him to get about 50-70pts, yes.

          • A-Train

            Really? His career high in points is 62, next best is 43. He was pencilled in on our second line with Turris and a winger to be named later.

            You’re not at least somewhat surprised that he’s on our first line and close to a 30 goal pace?

          • CUP 2014-15

            He’s a leaf fan Train every free agent will push that 70 pt mark. Look at Clarkson, one good year and he’s going to give you 30+ goals for ever. Don’t expect him to understand numbers.

    • Tooks

      The most pleasant surprise on the Senators roster this season is Mika Zibanejad.

      • Sensnation

        I remember seeing much loftier projections for him in the summer by fans. He’s coming around, but probably just enough to take him out of the disappointment category.

      • Doc

        Bahahahahaha what a flake. You were the worst in regards to Mika during the summer. Calling him a clear third liner with not much upside and other idiotic comments. You’re the only that’s surprised, everyone knew he was awesome.

        Tooky wrong once again. Gotta love it.

    • Alcatraz

      Easy choice is Macarthur, but I think there are two more deserving ones. Ceci is a pleasant surprise becvause I dont’ think anyone came in and expected him to push his way on the roster. Also it made us not do a desperation trade for Del Zotto

      Secondly I think Gryba is a pleasant surprise to me, because he hasn’t sucked like I thought he would. He has played his #5/#6 dman role rather well

    • Sensnation

      Has to be MacArthur. A lot of us expected him to just be a decent space filler on the 2nd line until some younger guys were ready, but he’s the real deal and just about every fan wants him here long term.

      Ceci is definitely the runner up!

    • Andrews theory

      MacArthur

    • 383

      CLARKIE MAC!!!

    • FistsofNeil25

      In order, MacArthur, Ceci, Smith. I thought MacArthur was a decent signing at the time but I thought he would be more of a fringe 2nd/3rd liner. You could argue that MacArthur has been our best forward this season.

      Ceci was another big surprise for me. I have always had high hopes for him since the day he was drafted but I never thought he would reach the point he has this quickly.

      Smith to me has really improved his game this season. Last year he was at the top of the list of players I wanted out of Ottawa. This season he has done everything the team could expect from him. He’s been leaned on to help shut down opposing teams top players at times, his faceoff numbers are solid, his skating is improved, he’s playing more disciplined, and he’s one of the few depth players for this team that has been able to provide secondary scoring. All this while playing the majority of the season with Greening and Neil, who I believe are our two worst forwards. Don’t get me wrong, I love Neil, but he’s not the best hockey player that’s for sure. Doesn’t mean I don’t think he plays a big role for our team.

  • SensChirp

    Fill in the blank- The biggest disappointment on the Senators roster this season is __________.

    • A-Train

      Tie between Pageau and Greening.

      Greening because he’s an 800K player who’s about to make 3M.

      Pageau because I definitely bought the hype. Good, useful player — hasn’t yet shown much more than that.

      • Roar…

        Pageau hasn’t been given any time in the top six. If he plays in the top 6 he produces points. Guaranteed. You try scoring points when playing with plugs like Kassian. It doesn’t work well.

    • Alcatraz

      Anyone who doesn’t say Cowen hasn’t watched a second of Sens hockey this year

      • A-Train

        Yes, that’s true too.

        • SensChirp

          Yup, that would be my pick as well. Especially after the short holdout. Still hopeful that the combination of injuries and missed training camps is what’s holding him back and not a complete lack of hockey sense.

          • Sensnation

            The holdout increased your expectations?

          • SensChirp

            Not necessarily but they made me really want him to come into this season and prove he was worth that big contract.

          • Sensnation

            I think this season is showing that people, fans especially, are too impatient. The season is half over and we’re already assuming he won’t have the impact you were hoping this year. If he continues with Karlsson, and we make the playoffs, how can you not be happy with that result?

          • Tooks

            Because Karlsson is carrying him…

            Also alot of IF’s in your logic, eh…

          • spezzerman

            Is not accepting an 8 year contract holding out ? Didnt he sign once the offer was short term?

      • Tooks

        Not if you didnt have much expectations for him to begin with. I didnt.

    • Tooks

      The biggest disappointment on the Senators roster this season is Greening, Condra, MM9…

      • Sensnation

        Ya those 3rd liners disappoint so much!

        • Tooks

          They do, look at the better teams 3rd liners, they score. Ours dont.

          • Sensnation

            I don’t know Spezza scored the other night didn’t he ;-p

          • Roar…

            That might be because Greening & Neil (4th liners on most NHL teams) have been given stupidly high amounts of ice time which they’ve done nothing with. Saying other teams “3rd liners” produce 40+ points (the benchmark for a top 6 actually) is foolish. Some of those teams just have enough top 6 forwards to have some on the 3rd line. Depth.

    • Sensnation

      Some of the answers to this one are so predictable. How has anyone not mentioned Anderson? He’s been pretty bad most of the year, almost lost his job to Lehner a year early, and though he’s turning it around he still lets in a bad goal almost every game. Hands down, he’s a veteran.

      Expecting a young guy like Cowen to grow faster than he has is a mistake on fans not on the player. He’s still too young to be the biggest disappointment. Hell Karlsson has been worse defensively and he’s more of a veteran. There’s no way Karlsson wins the Norris this year at this pace, even if he has the most points, that’s how bad it’s been.

      • Alcatraz

        Expecting a goalie who just set a season svp record in a shorten season to play above league average and refuse regression is a mistaje on fans not on the player

        Sure he has been a little worse than we expected, but you can’t compare Anderson to that of last year thats just ufair. Compare him to his career. He is a goalie who can steal a game or two, but needs a reliable d core around him

        I’m not expecting Cowen to grow faster, I’m expecting him to be an NHL dman since he wanted to be paid like one. He frankly just has not been good at all

        • Sensnation

          I disagree. And not 1 of my comments on Anderson had anything to do with his year last year. A starting goalie can not let a bad goal in this often. Period!

          • Alcatraz

            Fair enough, but to me he isn’t the “biggest” disappointment. We knew we had s tud backup who would challenge Anderson. We dont’ have much depth on Defense, and with Gonchar leaving we needed Cowen to step up into that role. He wasn’t able to which to me is probably the biggest reason we struggled out of the gate.

            Our defense has been a mess all year and we haven’t been able to be structured due to all the line changes

          • Sensnation

            Your assessment of him not being able to step up is wrong though, he’s now on the 1st D pairing, playing important minutes. The coach is seeing the opposite of what fans are claiming. At some point fans need to change their perspective. You can’t put fixing our d problems on 1 player. Methot, Karlsson, Phillips, Weircioch have all performed under par.

            As for our backup goaltender, we expected him to challenge Anderson because he’s that good, not because Anderson was going to be this bad.

          • Alcatraz

            No its because we had Cowen, Weiricoh, corvo, phillips and gryba all pretty much sucking. we had to seperate Methot and call up Ceci to balance our 3 pairings

            Karlsson-1 sucky dman
            Methot-1 sucky dman
            Ceci-1 sucky dman
            bench the rest

          • Sensnation

            Methot was healthy scratched for HIS play, not for the play of his partners. Methot has been a slight step behind what he was last year. Not complaining just saying. I still really like him on our team and even in our top 4.

        • Tooks

          Exactly this, he askesd to paid like a top 4-5, then play like one and up to this point, he hasnt played like a top 6, forget top 4, yet thats where he plays, constantly making mistakes and getting beat outside with his slow foot speed.

          • Sensnation

            Sure tooks, Karlsson beats the world on D this year, right. Go find a tee time with your leafs, they’ll start to book up soon.

          • Tooks

            No Karlsson sucks on D but ATLEAST he puts up tons of points, what does Cowen do, he cant even play Defense and its supposed to be his thing. He cant skate, is soft, doesnt block shots…

            Funny when your wrong, everyone is a Leafs fan, lol.

      • Andrews theory

        Funny, a lot of people thought he looked good against Colorado but if you look at the brain fart mistakes he did make they were doozies. Kidneeds to sit a few games while they give PW a shot. Cowens first pass is worse than

        • Sensnation

          Who on our D does not make mistakes? How old is this kid and why can he not make a mistake any other player his age would be expected to? Fck fans, this is retarded!

          • Tooks

            Most Dmen dont make a mistake every shift, Cowen does AND he doesnt seem to learn from them as he does it again the very next shift, game in, game out.

          • Sensnation

            Haha, ok, if this is the view of Sens fans, the same fans who gave up on this team, you can suck it. You obviously are just looking for the bad, and once again, the coach disagrees with you.

          • Tooks

            And look at where they are at right now, not a very good team are they? bubble playoff team, Defensive issues, Goaltending issues, Front office issues…

            Just saying, coaches are wrong alot of the times too.

          • Doc

            But you’re not, right? Right.

          • RUSH RLZ

            You’re just cranky because your beloved Leafs have fallen to our lows. You’ll get over it buddy.

          • Alcatraz

            You are the same type of fan that if you cheered for the leafs you woudl say “hey we aren’t doing that bad, shootout wins are important” ignoring the fact they have 5 real wins in last 33 games.

            You are ignoring the fact that Cowen is being paid top 4 salary, thinks he is top 4, expects to play top 4 and is playing to the caliber of a #6

            That my friend is called a disappointment. Fuck, Ceci who is a rookie isn’t making the mistakes Cowen, a 4 year pro, is making

          • Sensnation

            Actually no, Cowen is being paid to BECOME a sturdy top 4. His contract is about overpaying in the 1st half to save in the 2nd half of it. We all know this, not sure why’ it’s forgotten half a season in!

          • CUP 2014-15

            Don’t get sucked in by Tooks, He is just trolling as I am sure his leafs site is over run with angry fans. Reading his comments make you feel like that guy that slows down to look at an accident. Nothing there you will want to see, it’s an uncontrollable disaster that leaves you shaking your head. When he posts his crap just think of the cop at the accident seen, “nothing here to look at folks move along, just keep moving forward nothing here”. This team has turned the corner and Cowen will be fine. He will be a stud DMAN in this league for years to come. Don’t let the troll get under your skin, he’s not worth it.

          • Sensnation

            Cup, thank you, I really needed that right now and you are right!

          • CUP 2014-15

            Cool, deep breath and understand that children can be hard to handle sometimes. I love where the Sens are right now. If you are going to slump and fall apart at least it was at the beginning of the year. Hell were just pass mid season and this young group is starting to roll. Let’s get two points tomorrow and move on.
            Unfortunately the trolls will be out in full force as the leafs are doing what has been expected and absolutely falling to pieces. They don’t know where to turn and I am sure they are pissed at there being happy days here in Sens land so they are trying to share their endless, year after year misery with us.

          • Laurence Babchyuk

            I’m a Cowen fan but I have to admit that there’s only one Defensemen that makes me more nervous then Cowen. That defensement makes me pray to god that the puck doesn’t get in our zone.

            Number #4
            Mister point here and there
            Chris Phillips

      • A-Train

        For whatever reason I feel like fans expectations of Anderson have never been all that high…even AFTER the great numbers last year.

    • Andrews theory

      In no specific order

      Spezza, Cowen, Anderson and Paul Maclean

      • Sensnation

        The coach?

        • Tooks

          Oh yes, forgot him, from Jack Adams to Jack shit…He has definitely been baffling at times.

          • Sensnation

            Ya god forbid a Jack Adams winning NHL coach doesn’t do what fans want. He must be terrible!

          • Tooks

            I’m pretty sure the fans were correct in calling a timeout late in that Avs game, wouldnt you agree?

            Also the mind boggling line changes. The Mika anti trust…the MM9/Phillips/Cowen love fest…

          • Sensnation

            You live in the world of “what ifs”!

            What if we called a timeout and a goal was not scored against us, then yes that is correct.

            What if a timeout is called and it gives the team more time to over-think the situation and they let the goal in anyways. What if the goal was coming no matter what anyone did.

            But somehow you are smarter than an NHL coach?

            There’s no guarantee a timeout there would prevent the goal. But also, what if he called the timeout after the early 2 goals, we wouldn’t even have a timeout left to discuss this. PM doesn’t panic, which is why he often still has his timeouts at the end of the game. Sometimes hindsight seems 20-20, but your hindsight is not a perfectly predictable situation, not even close.

          • Tooks

            Thanks for accenting the point of calling timeouts. He had a timeout, use it! The guys needed it and it was obvious.

            Geez stop with the excuses…

          • Alcatraz

            the coach has been frustrating but not disappointing
            The Coach has managed to get the most out of Turris, Macarthur and Ryan. He has managed to get smith to the next level this year. Sure he has mismanaged some players and situations, but you have to think Macarthur woudl attribute his success to Maclean compared to Carlyle

          • Sensnation

            Excuses, you mean explanations of why things play out the way they do? Ya damn those, must be hard for you in this world.

    • 383

      Toss up between, ANDY/COWEN/GREENING

    • FistsofNeil25

      Based on my personal expectations, Cowen, Spezza, Michalek and Andy have been my biggest disappointments. I realize I probably expected too much from Spezza, Cowen, Milo coming off their injury riddled 2012/2013 seasons. Hopefully the second half of this year will be better for them.

      A lot of people will say Greening is right up there but I never had high hopes for him to begin with.

      • Doc

        I can’t blame either goalies for the start of the season when the Sens were actually breaking records for shots against. They couldn’t get the puck our of their zone to save their life.

        The goalies were hung to dry, so every little mistake on their part was magnified.

        • FistsofNeil25

          I agree to some extent but Andy really set the bar high for himself last season. He was solid as a rock. There were very few weak goals that got buy him. That wasn’t the case in the first half of this season, but he’s definitely looked like he’s improving.

          Hopefully he gets hot to finish out the year. I believe in him.

          • Doc

            Yep, he did. But we knew he would regress back to his ‘normal’ form. He broke the record for lowest SV% in a year in the NHL.

            Thinking he could do the same the next year was not a reasonable expectation.

          • FistsofNeil25

            I didn’t think he would match his performance from last year. I just didn’t expect it to plummet to sub .900 numbers like it did for the majority of this year. That save % is starting to climb which is a great sign.

          • Doc

            Oh for sure. The fact that they had their slump at the beginning of the season is a great thing. They are finally turning it around and have been playing good, sometimes great, hockey the last month and a half or so. It’s a good sign that the team is moving in the right direction, including Anderson.

          • Sensnation

            Absolutely agree! And this team needs everyone working together going down the stretch.

            If only the Leafs could learn it matters more what you do in the 2nd half than the 1st half!

          • FistsofNeil25

            This season reminds me a bit of the 2011/2012 season. At the beginning of the year, the Sens stunk and Anderson got off to a poor start. He ended up catching fire in the second half of the season and along with Karlsson and Spezza, put the team on his back and earned us a playoff birth.

            I’m hoping for the same results this year. We’re a better team now than we were then though and Spezza. Karlsson, and Andy have a bit more help on our current roster.

    • Laurence Babchyuk

      #1 pageau
      #2 Andy (although he’s turning it around )
      #3 michalek

      I would say Spezza since at the beginning of the season I thought that a line of Michalek spezza Ryan would be awesome. But since Spezza always disappoints
      me it’s not my biggest disappointement

    • Roar…

      Greening, Cowen and Spezza in that order. Greening is starting to turn it around as is Cowen, albeit slowly. I think Cowen really deserves some slack though it takes at least a full year or two to come back from the kind of injury he had. Just too long away from the game and the ice. Spezza perhaps maybe should get some slack for the same reasons. If his health is indeed what’s holding him back. He really had it all together in that 84 point season. If he can get back to that form that would be a huge boost for the team. Just played a much more solid game.

  • Hax

    Mendes is looking for everyone’s all-time Sens team. 3F, 2D, 1G.

    Depends on how you look at it, but if you say that you’re able to take any player at any time during their Sens career (i.e. a snapshot as opposed to taking the whole career) I’d have to go with:

    Heatley-Spezza-Alfie
    Chara-Karlsson
    Hasek

    • Alcatraz

      I’m the biggest Spezza advocate, but if we are using the snapshot perspective, then I think Yashin takes the 1LC role. In his Prime he was an absolute beast. Forget his sideshow, he put up 80/90+ points on crappy teams. He made Dackell and Mceachern into 1st line players

      • Alcatraz

        Case in point, in our miserable 1993-1994 year where we finished dead last Yashin still put up 30g and 49a for 79pts

        His best season was 44g and 50a for 94 pts. Spezza best year ever was 32g and 58a for 92 points

        • Sensnation

          Spezza’s did it in 6 less games, can’t ignore that. 2 years prior Spezza did 90pts in 14 less games.

          • Aaron 2.0

            Still though, it’s worth discussing. If Spezza’s wingers were Dackell and Mcechern, those numbers certainly drop, rather substantially I would imagine.

          • Alcatraz

            Look at Spezza this year with his mishmash of wingers haha. Don’t get me wrong both have been franchise players, but Yashin was just a beast. Ryan Getzlaf is the new Yashin in my opinion, with less scoring prowess

      • Aaron 2.0

        I was thinking the same thing. People will have some strong emotions about him. But, he didn’t have a lot to work with, and still put up numbers.

    • Tooks

      Bang on Hax, not a change to be made!

    • SensChirp

      Yup and then if it’s career I went with

      Hossa-Spezza-Alfredsson
      Phillips-Redden
      Lalime

      • Alcatraz

        If its career, Karlsson stil has to be on the list lol. The minute you win a Norris Trophy on a team that is less than 25 years old, I think it cements yourself lol.
        Redden-Karlsson for career

        • SensChirp

          Could make that argument for sure. Depends on the value you put on longevity, I suppose.

      • Andrews theory

        Old soft goal The Lime, ughhhh he killed us in the playoffs more than once. Sorry no player has let me down more than Lalime

        • Sensnation

          Agreed!

          I’d definitely take Tugnutt before Lalime, maybe others.

          • SensChirp

            Poor Lalime. A bad game at the worst possible time. Otherwise his playoff numbers are the stuff of legends.

          • Sensnation

            Agreed, and he’s still way ahead of that Gerber guy so many fell in love with.

    • Sensnation

      Hossa over Heatley, agree with the rest if it’s at their peak.

    • aegiszx

      Heatley – Yashin – Latendresse
      Wedden – Phillips
      Leclair – Emery

      The Dream Fucking Team!!!

    • FistsofNeil25

      The only change you could possibly make to that is Anderson for Hasek. Anderson’s performance last season was greater than any other goaltender in Sens history. Mind you it was a shortened season and he missed a significant amount of time, but if you say that you’re able to take any player at any time during their Sens career, I’d take Andy’s 2012/2013 season over Hasek’s 2005/2006 season.

    • Laurence Babchyuk

      Hossa – Spezza – Alfie
      Chara – karlsson
      Anderson

      Even if I Hate Spezza… He’s a PPG center and with that lineup his turnovers wouldn’t be so bad since you have alfie and Hossa that are 200 feet players

  • Sensnation

    Tired of this Cowen bashing, as much as I was with how you fans gave up on this team so early in the season. So I’m just going to part today with the following:

    JARED COWEN has 125 HITS and 67 BLOCKED SHOTS so far this year!!!

    No other sens dman has more of either stat. So let’s just relax and realize most fans don’t see what Cowen actually contributes.

    • Tooks

      OMG sign him to a 6Mil contract!! LOL

      125 hits, eh, must be of the Greening type, fly by’s. Couple of solid one’s tho I recall.

      Those blocked shots are higher than they should be as result of 50+ shots per game and he still aint in the top 60 D in blocked shots.

    • Zelle

      You must see that there are a lot of legitimate cases of criticism for Cowen. Is he still young? Of course. But I’m still very worried about him being unable to handle the pressure of high intensity games. You saw it in the Pens series, and you’re seeing it all through this season. When the Sens are being pressured, he just seems so much slower than anyone else on the ice, both physically and mentally. I’d give him time if we didn’t have other capable defensemen waiting in the wings, but we do. Gryba, Boro, Wiercioch, Ceci, Karlsson, Methot, Phillips are fine for us, in my opinion. I’m OK with keeping him if this is Phillips’ last season though.

      I’ll give him that he’s improved slightly this season, but he still makes me nervous.

      • Sensnation

        He’s played 1 full season. For all reasonable people this is his sophomore year as he only played 7 games last year. Add to that he was still getting back into game shape this year from the injury and the slow start should have been expected. To expect he’ll never get beat by faster players is not understanding the type of player he is. Chara still does regularly!

        http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/nhl/players/4689/career;_ylt=AvwOkuGa5xHsUKphLwvvbiDCfgM6

        • Zelle

          I’m not expecting him to beat the faster players; he’s a big guy and he’ll be slow, understandably. It’s just he loses his man by not covering him being he seems flustered when the pressure is in the Sens’ zone. He also makes many bad decisions with the puck, again he is probably flustered. He also tries to pinch sometimes, which I don’t like because like we said, he’s big and slow. Also his hits (although this has changed a bit recently) are very light for a man his size. Chara is much more aggressive and knows how to use his size against other players. Although I don’t believe it’s fair to start comparing Cowen to Chara. I find his mental strength is lacking and the team is being pressure and that leads to a multitude of mistakes. It can be attributed to him being young, like I mentioned, but you can’t say that he doesn’t deserve criticism, especially after holding out for a decent contract like he did.

          • Sensnation

            Again this is for all intents and purposes his 2nd year. He won’t have the veteran presence you are expecting and I disagree with your assessment on his play. I think your negatives are only part of the story and it’s exaggerated how often they are the main mistake on the play. Karlsson’s left Cowen out to dry so many times this year and right after I’ve heard fans blame it on Cowen.

            Cowen is becoming the guy we all expect, people just aren’t seeing it properly because they expected so much more so much faster, which again is on fans not the player.

          • Zelle

            I admitted that I know he’s young and that his seemingly low ice IQ could be attributed to that, and also that I would only lose Cowen because we have younger guys who already seem more like pros. Yes Karlsson has left Cowen out to dry, but not every mistake Cowen makes is Karlsson. He’s been on other lines and made the same mistakes. I’m not sure what you see but I’d like to argue I watch the games very closely and Cowen especially, and I’m just not sure he’s the guy we need right now. Soft hits, slow but pinches, turnovers, bad passes (improved), blown coverage (improved). I try to see the potential in all the players because I hate to see them traded as they feel like part of the Sens family. Right now I am just not sold on Cowen.

          • Sensnation

            I can accept that, however I think you need to force yourself to look at him differently. Just try it. When he makes a good or decent play recognize it to yourself. When he doesn’t make a mistake give him props in your head. Still notice his mistakes as well, but I think if you give him props when he doesn’t mess up you’ll realize his mistakes are less often than you thought.

            As I’ve said, he has a ways to go to be the force we all hope he’ll become, but it’s unfair of fans to expect that from him this soon in his career. And those other players you mention on D are not better options if you give him his due props for his positives, which unfortunately so many people are missing right now.

            Players go through very well known paths/ebbs throughout their careers. People are judging a 2nd season guy with the ranking sheet of an 5-8yr pro, and that just doesn’t work out. If he fell flat on his face and had to be sat all year, kinda like Wiercioch does defensively, it still wouldn’t be doom and gloom cause he’s so young.

          • Zelle

            This weekend I will rewatch a few past games and just watch Cowen, and then will meet you back here to review. :)

            I actually find this debate quite fun!

            I will agree that he has improved slightly since the start of the season, there have just been no wow moments compared to his ugh moments, to put it plainly. But I will give your suggestion I try!

          • Sensnation

            Appreciated and we may still disagree and that’s ok. I’m up for the debate when it’s based on truths and facts.

            I agree he has a lot to learn and improve on, and I think that’s what gets lost in me defending him. People think I see him as all roses, and that is not the case. I just see more good than bad there and I see it getting better all the time. Fans just really expected way too much of him this year and they expect specific things, like huge hits, and when they don’t see it they get stuck thinking there’s no other positives.

            I think also a lot of fans have not seen him play much for a full year before this season, so I think a lot forget his play style. Yes we are missing the knockout hits this year for the most part, but he still lays some solid ones and stands some people up who try to lay him out. His game is evolving, we have to evolve how we evaluate it with him.

          • Senators Pundit

            Come on, don’t stop the debate yet! I’ve still got an hour to kill!

          • Tooks

            Why give him props on plays he is supposed to do? Its his job, and I assure your there are more negative plays than positives.

            Example 1
            Puck is dumped in, Habs change, send 1 forechecker, Cowen retrieves the puck, panics cuz 1 guy is coming, throws it up the boards where its turned over…This is 90% of his play.

            Example 2
            Puck is dumped in, Habs change, send 1 forechecker, Cowen retrieves the puck, passes it to Karlsson who gets it out to the wing. This is the other 10% and its not something to give him props about, he’s supposed to do that.

            Giving him props would be if he scores 5 on 5, or makes a good play when under pressure (not by 1 guy). Both are a very rare occurence.

          • Tooks

            Get over yourself already…
            So your an expert?

        • Tooks

          Dear God, no point in continuing this if you compare Cowen to Chara, so much wrong there…

          • Sensnation

            He’s been compared to Chara since he was drafted. The hope is he turns into that type of player. Where’s the problem? That’s the style of game he has and will grow into. I’m not saying he’s going to win a Norris, but a poor man’s Chara is easily attainable.

          • Tooks

            Only in size maybe but definitely not his game, Chara contributes plenty offensively and is a beast on Def. Cowen doesnt contribute offensively and is pretty bad on Def.

            Look at the first few years of Chara with the Sens, not the Islanders who clearly cannot be taken seriously in developping talent at that time.

            Notice how Chara immediately rose up the ranks and made an impact.

            Cowen has yet to do that in 3 years.

          • Roar…

            That’s unfair. Chara took time to develop as well. Also, Cowen has had to deal with two incredibly serious injuries. Both of which take about a full year to recover from. He literally sat and WATCHED the game for 8-9 months without touching ice. You can’t expect that it’s not going to take him a while to find his form. He hasn’t been good, but of any Senator he has the best reason why not. For all intensive purposes he’s working his ass off to get back to form. He will get there. He will be a great player for this team. Just give him time to develop.

          • Tooks

            You do know the NYI gave up on Chara, they didnt develop him at all and to even think they had a hand in making him who is is today is extremely funny and ignorant.

            Nothing against you but Ottawa developped him and it took 1 season, maybe 2, but he was already a special player in that 2nd year with Ottawa.

          • Doc

            Yes, his 6th year in the NHL.

            Carry on.

          • Tooks

            Wow sad that you think he only got good in his 6th year…

            Try again…

          • Doc

            He was good in his first 4?

            Cowen hasn’t played one full season yet. Carry on.

          • Roar…

            Chara really didn’t spend much time with the NYI. Ottawa spotted him for what he was. A special player. Stole him from right out under their noses. NYI didn’t realize what they had. I don’t think its a case of “not developed” so much as “not acknowledged” – I believe the Islanders think tank at the time was unsure as to whether such a tall player could really play in the NHL. Ottawa stole him, plain and simple.

          • Doc

            I disagree, not the case. He was always considered a project to begin with, and took years to develop into a competent defenseman.

            Ottawa didn’t steal him, they took a gamble on him. He was a throw-in and not a centre piece of that trade.

            At the risk of repeating myself again, all of this to say that defensemen like this (Cowen, Chara) need more time to develop. They are projects with huge upside (no pun intended) but also a huge risk. Patient is key. Something that some posters clearly lack (no directed at you).

          • Roar…

            Also, not sure why I’m feeding the troll, but I didn’t suggest the NYI “developed him” I said it took time. Chara was not instantly a superstar. It took time and practice before he blossomed. Just like it does for most NHL D. Pronger included.

          • sprucesens

            wow people are angry today. lol, not referring to you roar, just had to chime in, for anyone that watches The League. Its “all intents and purposes”. if you’ve seen the episode where some nfl player corrects one of the main characters, you might get the joke. But anyways… cowen sucks. debate..
            just kidding, I don’t feel one way or the other about him right now. Was not a fan for the first 25 games or so. He picked up his game a bit, but has levelled off since. He might have lots of hits, but I think he still needs to be more physical. The other player shouldn’t want to go into the corner with you, after trying the first time, and he just doesn’t have that presence. Maybe one day he will. hopefully

          • Doc

            I’ll jump in here.

            Now, I’m not comparing Chara to Cowen, but go look at Chara’s first few years before coming to Ottawa and let me know if you think that people were expecting him to become what he has now.

            He was a throw-in in the trade to Ottawa, don’t kid yourself.

          • CUP 2014-15

            Hell Doc, even if you did compare the two. Remember how God awful the big Z was with the NYI as a young player. We were all happy that Yash and his gong show was gone and we got the 2nd overall pick along with a forward that couldn’t score and an over sized slow Dman. That over sizes slow guy turned out pretty freakin good. Young D take time. I understand where your going with the comment, don’t expect the little blue troll to understand pal.

          • Doc

            Agreed. Exactly my point.

          • Tooks

            Then please explain how he got 10 goals and 23 pts his first year with a new Org and kept getting better after that year after year, while still being raw and undevelopped.

            Are you going to tell me the NYI developped him properly so he got better playing in their system and then just for the sake of it traded him to us for known lockout artist, LOL…

          • Tooks

            The Ottawa Senators knew, you actually think the Islanders, at the time, had any clue what they were actually doing…thats funny.

            Chara was an anomaly, and rare specimen, Islanders only saw a freak and true to their nature of being idiots, they got rid of him.

            You NEVER, ever, get rid of rare specimens, guy is a Giant.

            Cowen is no where near what Chara was back then, Chara had a limitless well of untapped potential, as you can see today. Chara was a rare breed, he was nothing anyone had seen before, you have to keep that shit!

            Cowen is just a random 6’5 D man with some potential, He’s not a rare specimen.

          • Doc

            I’ll say it again. Chara was a throw-in and nothing more. It took many years for him to reach his potential.

            A huge beast of a man who can’t skate to save his life. Go look at his stats for the few years and tell me that he was anywhere close to what he is now.

            The point is you have to be patient with guys like that. And that’s what I’ll be doing with Cowen.

          • Tooks

            2001-02 – 23pts
            2002-03 – 39pts
            2003-04 – 41pts
            2005-06 – 43pts
            Now thats just the short of it but that is pretty impactful right off the bat with a new Org. You cant possibly count the years with the Islanders where he was a spare part. He came to OTT the same he was in NYI, raw and untapped. He made an immediate impact offensively AND defensively, where he had never done so before.

            So please STFU about Cowen being compared to Chara, lol.

          • Doc

            So you disregard his years with the Islanders cause it helps with your argument? Lol, got it.

            He played 4 years before coming to Ottawa and he wasn’t very good (understatement). Cowen hasn’t played a full season yet.

            Oh, and I wasn’t the one comparing him to Chara. My point was that guys like these take time to develop. Chara was like that, and Cowen is no different. Try again.

            You really have to work on your reading comprehension. It will help you tremendously for years to come.

          • Tooks

            Funny you assume NYI actually developped him, that right there proves to me your trolling cuz we all know NYI hasnt developped a player in 20 years. LOL keep trying tho.

            He played for them but they didnt give a shit about him.

            Also:
            Chára spent four seasons with the Islanders organization, becoming a reliable stay at home defender in a primarily defensive role. He earned a reputation as a tough player to play against – intimidating, physically strong, and a punishing hitter who could, on occasion, fight.And that was his 2nd year with the Islanders, so yeah, he was already pretty good at defending on a team that was complete shit.

            So I will attribute your comments to ignorance, nothing wrong with that, you just dont follow hockey much, its ok.

          • Doc

            1, -8, -27 and -27 respectively.
            Clearly very reliable and good defensively!

            You’re too young to even remember those years lol. I doubt you were following hockey during that time. Too cute.

    • Tooks

      Also Cody Franson has 166 hits…See where I’m going with this…

      • Doc

        No, please elaborate.

        Your hockey knowledge is always good for a laugh.

        • Alcatraz

          When you don’t have the puck you have to hit and block. When your 6’5 you better be blocking

          Karlsson has the puck always so he doesn’t have to hit

          Honestly the fact people are still defending Cowen blindly is ridiculous. Just admit he has sucked. He has flashes of being good, but he’s a trainwreck out there lol

          And where Tookie was goign is that Cody Franson is way smaller than Cowen, and hits are so judgemental and arbitrary to home rinks. Also Franson is being begged by the fans to be healthy scratched

          • Doc

            Where did I defend Cowen? I’m just curious to see what Tooks can come up with.

          • Alcatraz

            I replied to you theoretically but I was actually referring to Sensnation who is making it his personal mission today to make sure Cowen is defended blindly

          • Doc

            Fair enough!

          • Sensnation

            Ya blindly, fuck those useless stats. I should’ve stayed away, but you guys have boiled my skin too much this year and it’s gotten to me, I’ll admit it. So many unfounded statements based on how fans feel. This all started because there was a claim he doesn’t block shots or hit, yet somehow leading the d on the team in both cats is not good enough for a young dman. Fans are never happy, sadly.

          • Tooks

            Its your own fault for using such skewable stats like Hits and BkS, you must be mad since your trying to defend a player that has sucked for 40 games.

            You just went and took his totals and generalised and assumed.

          • Sensnation

            Blindly? That would mean without facts and stats right. He’s playing on the 1st pairing and the coach has not sat him once. I’m sorry if I see it closer to how he does then the casual fan, actually fuck that I’m not sorry. Screw the fans, they’ve been wrong ALL YEAR!!!

          • Tooks

            Fans have been wrong? We are half way passed the season and we are NO WHERE near the team we should have been. You believe the Sens will make the playoffs, I do, but I also am not content with just winning a round, you on the other hand seem to think making the playoffs is good enough, using a bunch of excuses to justify losses.

            We, the fans, have been right, we needed a change, still do, we have players that can replace some underachieving ones and PMac has looked lost the first half of the year. Digging us into a hole we might not be able to climb out of.

            But you, the casual fan, seem to think thats ok. Just (enter an excuse here).

          • Alcatraz

            Actually wasnt he a healthy scratch for 2 straight games at one point, after being relegated to 3rd line duties
            Please at least agree he is playing with karlsson, not because he earned his way there, but more of a way to try and spark him lol

          • Tooks

            For some fans, whatever the coach and GM says, goes, they cant think for themselves. Its like a long line of lemmings.

            Following blindly and everything is rosy. No problems in Sens land. Nothing the coach and GM do can be wrong or even questioned by fans.

          • Doc

            I think it’s more about trusting the people who do this for a living. You know, the ones that have been doing this for years?

            You’re allowed to have an opinion. Doesn’t mean it’s valid or of any value.

          • Tooks

            Have you not been a fan for years? Doesnt mean you dont know or couldnt do better than the current Coach or GM.

            Many folks get high exec jobs coming from no where, some excel and some dont.

          • Doc

            I have. And it does.

            You think they grab any normal Joe off the streets and give him an NHL GM position? Those guys have paid their dues for years and have gone up the ranks. Look at Tim Murray.

            Now, this doesn’t mean they are infallible, but it does mean they know more than you and me. Speculating about trades and potential and all that good stuff is one thing, but thinking that you could do a better job than an NHL coach or GM is just plain silly/idiotic.

            I’ve always had a passion for cars and have been around them most of my life. That doesn’t mean I could race in the 24h LeMans.

          • Tooks

            You could if you had the passion and drive to do it. But I’ll assume your glory days are past you…

          • Doc

            Are you saying you’re aiming to replace Murray in the future?

            That’s the spirit, champ. Don’t give up.

          • Tooks

            Trying!

        • Tooks

          He’s soft as fuck, I know its hard for you but PVR a Leafs game, then look at the summary, apart from losing, you’ll notice Franson racked up 6+ hits, then go back and try and find those hits…

          You can also do the same for Greening.

          • Doc

            Why would I do that when we got you to tell us everything about the Leafs?

            Seems redundant.

          • Tooks

            Cuz you asked me to.

          • Doc

            I asked you to ask me to PVR the Leafs?

            Makes sense.

          • Tooks

            You asked me to elaborate, I did.

            You might want to change your name…

          • Doc

            Reading is not your strong suit, I see.

            - Asked to elaborate.
            - You responded by asking me to PVR Leafs.
            - Asked you why would I do that since we got you.
            - You respond by saying I asked.

            See what’s wrong here? Good, now we’re on the same page.

            Keep your name, so we know we’re still laughing at the same person.

          • Tooks

            Seems your the only one laughing…

          • Doc

            I somehow highly doubt that.

          • CUP 2014-15

            LOL, Lots of it Doc, the rest of us just will not feed the trolls. I made a comment to him yesterday and it just felt dirty. Never again. Enjoy your day and weekend. Go Sens Go.

          • Sensnation

            Ever since Cup shone the bright light on me, I’ve being doing nothing but LOLing at the trolls comments! I realize now most do.

          • Doc

            Likewise!

          • Doc

            It’s just too fun to put him in his place. Best entertainment possible on days like this.

          • CUP 2014-15

            But don’t you feel like your abusing someone who has a problem and just doesn’t get it. That’s what I meant by feeling Dirty. If he ever made a legit point I would play but the poor little guy must get laughed at during recess as well.

          • Tooks

            Funny you mention recess, your mom must bundle you up real good so you dont hit your head with those feet.

          • Tooks

            And which place would that be? the right one? Seems to me more people agree with me about Cowen or Franson or whatever the silly discussion you were trying to have with me. LOL

          • Doc

            That’s cute.

            Here, fun read for you:

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect

          • Tooks

            “See what’s wrong here?”

            Apparently manipulating tecnhology is to hard for you?

          • boom

            Thank you. The fact that Greening leads this particular stat proves that it is an overrated stat.

          • Tooks

            Obviously some people have a hard time wrapping their heads around it.

    • Alcatraz

      One other thing, look at Volchenkov, the last guy who used to be a block shot/hit wizard. You don’t overpay for that skillset
      We are paying Cowen more than to just block and hit. If you want that trade for Mark Frasor

      • Sensnation

        He does more than that, but those were the two stats people were attacking the most. I just showed how unfounded it is.

        • Tooks

          You proved nothing, players smaller and lighter than Cowen have more hits ans blocked shots. And like most already know, hits can be determined a bunch of ways, just cause he has 125 hits, doesnt mean he’s a heavy hitter.There are so many factors into it but I wont explain to you since you wont understand.

          If you consider light bumps to be a hit, then yes, Cowen has alot of those. and unfortunetely they count that, just look at Blake Comeau….

          • Sensnation

            I guess there’s no chance to expect better of you Tooks. I think it’s time I learn to ignore you completely.

            You said he doesn’t hit or block shots, I showed you he leads the team in both. You ignore it and the fact that maybe the system the team uses isn’t based around those two stats, but hey, you will be who you are. I’ll do my best.

          • Tooks

            Yep keep trying, it is hard to understand real time stats, but NHL.com will have the totals for you anytme you want them. Go nuts kid.

          • Doc

            Are you trying to educate someone on stats? Really?! Lol…

            Gold.

          • Alcatraz

            Can you actually say Cowen has been good this year? Your not disappointed by his play? You completely fine with when he is on the ice he is chasing the puck, leading to hits, giving up shots leading to blocked shots?

            Only way I’ll take any of those blocked shots into consideration is if they are on the PK. When its 5 on 5, and he is blocking shots at a high rate, its not because he is good, its because he is hemmed in hsi own zone.

          • Sensnation

            Cowen has matched MY expectations this year.

            I knew it would be a growth year for him and the team. I did not buy into the stanley cup favorite media frenzy over the sens this summer, so no I don’t hold that against the team that never should have been expected to perform that high. We are still finishing up the rebuild, we have a chance to make some noise this year, but really next year and beyond is where my expectations are set for.

          • Tooks

            Glad we cleared that up, next year and the year after, when Cowen still sucks balls or end up traded, I will remind you of this convo.

          • Sensnation

            Does that mean we should remind you of the bet you lost and then pussied out of the punishment early? Everyone in this forum has stood by their predictions except you, so I’m not too concerned.

          • Tooks

            I honoured that bet and had the name change until the start of the season, which were the terms. Nice try tho.

        • Alcatraz

          I dont recal us saying he doesn’t block shots or doesn’t hit. Also those stats count as much as giveaways and turnovers. So arbitrary lol
          All I said is that Cowen is playing like a #5 or #6 dman. And for that reason he is the biggest disappointment, because he was expected to be leaned heavily on this year

          • Sensnation

            If you read the whole thread you’ll see it was brought up. At this point I feel like you’re just trolling too, so I’ll leave it at that.

          • Alcatraz

            I think your the one trolling, if you want to put a label on it

            I’m arguing the side that he has sucked this year. Your arguing the side that he is an amzing shot blocker. Who is trolling who, isn’t it just a debate?

          • Sensnation

            When did I say he was an amazing shot blocker Alcatraz? Really when? Like seriously man, read wtf I am saying.

            Tooks said he doesn’t hit or block shots. After reading everyone bashing him unjustly I posted his stats. All I ask is people look at the positives in his play as well to get the full story. The coach would not play him this much if everything about him was negative.

            Is he an all-star, no, did I expect him to be, no.

          • Tooks

            He would if he was about to make 3Mil a season…To which is a bad signing, especially seeing the direction he is going.

          • Tooks

            I brought it up, and it was to be taken as he is not a player that is known for hitting or blocking shots, Sensnation just assumed I meant he doesnt hit or block shots in general. To which every player in the NHL does.

      • Laurence Babchyuk

        Yeah Cowen is playing not so well so far. But a defensemen takes time to develop. If we trade him now we wouldn’t get much for him and I’m sure in 2 – 3 years it would come to bite us. Not many defensemen has his physical stature and agility for his size.

        Keep Cowen, trade spezza and Phillips and this club will be a dandy

      • Sensnation

        Cowen also is currently a +2 on a team with a terrible start to the year. Has reduced the number of stupid penalties he takes. Found offensive chemistry with Karlsson in the way they control puck together once they finally get it. Like any young player, the signs are there both negative and positive if you look for them. I see both sides, most fans are just looking at the negatives.

    • Roar…

      So what you’re saying is that Cowen spends a shit ton of time without the puck in his own end of the ice? That’s mostly because of his incompetence. Those numbers prove exactly the opposite of the point you wanted to make there genius lol. Some fans just don’t get it. Cowen’s underlying numbers have been awful all year. He’s only improved MODERATELY at best, Karlsson is carrying him bud.

      • Sensnation

        You’re joining the discussion late, so i’ll assume you haven’t read through all the posts. The point being made is some fans claimed he didn’t block or hit, but he leads the team in both. The point was not that he’s the best dman ever because he leads the team in both. Hope that clarifies for you?

      • Tooks

        Dont mind Sensnation, he is fighting a lost cause but doesnt want to admit it.

        He keeps reminding us that he leads the team in hits and BkS which any knowledgeable fan know are decieving stats to begin with and not to be interpreted as factual.

        But the poor bugger still tries hard, got to give him that.

  • Alcatraz

    Tyler Myers. Case closed

    • Tooks

      Thank you.

      • boom

        do you think he just needs a change of scenery? All i remember is how good he looked in his rookie year…

        • Tooks

          Maybe, who knows, all I know is he makes WAY too many mistakes and thats not on the team, its on him, just like Cowen.

    • Andrews theory

      Too much too soon

      Still lots of talent in the tank there. It really seems that some players thrive in Bufalo while others never fulfill their promise.

      Stafford was supposed to develop nicely / hasn’t happened
      Leino has been brutal

      • Sensnation

        Big question for you Andrews Theory, if you had a hole in your D would you trade for him? Can he still rebound back to what was expected a la Turris?

        Personally I’m on the fence, haven’t totally given up yet, but it’s looking bleaker.

        • Alcatraz

          The thing is Turris never really bounced back, he was just never given a chance. Turris was not a project at all
          Myers and Cowen both had great rookie years, Myers even better. Then they fell off the horse, and havent been able to get back

          • Sensnation

            True, he did still get his minutes just stopped performing as well in them, though his whole team fell apart around the same time too. Hoping for the best for Myers, too much talent to go to waste, but it does happen.

  • Tom P

    The other day I dropped into HockeyBuzz and there is a guy named Cup06 who essentially has a source inside the Sens Management and gets a lot of inside from them. He has predicted a lot of moves the Sens have done in the past and I found it odd as he suggested Methot isn’t apart of the Sens plans moving forward and that he could possibly be dealt at the deadline or draft which completely baffles me but just thought I should let you fellow fans know about this !

    • MikeS

      Only thing I ever seen him predict was karlsson would be back faster. He hasnt really called anything else

    • Sensnation

      Wow, that definitely is interesting, if not surprising. I’ve been happy with Methot overall. He’s nothing to write home about, but he’s pretty consistent and a good locker room guy.

      I was one of the ones most against the trade because I really liked Foligno, despite his faults. But I think in the end both teams got a piece they needed.

      I guess if BM has to move 1 of Phillips and Methot and Phillips doesn’t want to leave, it has to be Methot. Just never expected it so soon, maybe towards the deadline next year wouldn’t have been so surprising, but the trade return would be better with another year on his contract. Very intersted to see what happens then, maybe the team is really “desperate” for that 1st round pick this year.

      • Roar…

        That’s the most retarded thing I’ve ever heard. You buy Phillips out before you move Methot if push comes to shove. Beyond stupid.

        • Sensnation

          Roar wtf, I didn’t say you have to get rid of Methot, are you having trouble reading? Someone posted a rumour, I responded with an “if it’s true then I guess this part makes sense”. I didn’t say I hope it’s true and get rid of Methot. Even to be talking trading him next year would still a bit of a surprise to me as he’s been good for us, but in a contract year anyone can be traded.

        • FistsofNeil25

          Phillips wouldn’t need to be bought out. I do agree that it would be absolutely foolish to trade Methot and keep Phillips. Methot is 10 times the player Phillips is today. I appreciate everything that Phillips has done here, but it’s time to move on from him. He’s not one of the top 6 defensemen in this organization anymore.

          • Tooks

            Obviously Phillips should go but what IF Methot doesnt want to be here. We cant force him to re-sign here.

          • FistsofNeil25

            If he doesn’t want to be here then they should absolutely trade him in the offseason. Same with Spezza and Bobby. Melnyk has created a negative work environment here. I don’t know if these players want to stay here or not, but if they don’t, our GM (whoever it will be beyond this season) will have to bite the bullet and move these players. We can’t afford to lose them for nothing if they don’t wish to be here long term.

      • Zelle

        I don’t know, that hip check on Crosby was pretty awesome lol

    • Doc

      That dude is full of it and not worth anyone’s time. He’s a joke.

    • SensChirp

      Weird. Can’t see it.

    • Andrews theory

      In a perfect world with players developing as expected. I’d like to see the following combos

      Karlsson Metho
      Cowen Gryba
      Ceci PW
      EK and Methot as your 1/2 and the other splitting the ice time as the game / competition dictates

      • CUP 2014-15

        I like Cowen and Karl long term. CC and MM and a third pairing as a shut down tandem next year of Gryba and Boro. Wishful thinking that all will develop as planed but this is just hoping for the best.

        • Sensnation

          Don’t forget Fredrik Claesson. Currently leads the bsens by a mile with a +20. Could be a good shutdown type guy, and he can handle the puck reasonably well too.

          • CUP 2014-15

            This would be a nice problem to have and yet another guy who might fit in with PW. The future looks bright. With that +- he must be doing a good job in front of the cage as well. We can never have too many D in the pipeline. Keep em coming BM and staff.

          • Sensnation

            Agreed, it really is just this year where there was a bit of a d gap in our org at the pro level. Thank god Ceci is such a good player!

          • Tooks

            Yep once we trade away Cowen, Claesson would be a much needed upgrade.

            Claesson Karlsson
            Methot Ceci
            Boro Gryba
            PW

          • Sandy

            Claesson hasn’t even played 1 NHL game.. yet you know he will be better than Cowen?
            Give us your reasons for that..

        • sprucesens

          That would be my ideal lines as well. The only question mark for me would be the alternate on the other side of gryba. I think any of Boro, PW, or claesson. Not likely to bring claesson up just yet, and likely to give boro the shot. But I can see PW moving in and out when we are playing faster teams that aren’t as big. Depends on who gets traded, because we can’t possibly carry this many defence next year. Doesn’t even take into account Phillips. Corvo is gone i’m sure.
          I’d like to keep gryba as a shutdown D and PK specialist. I think he hits hard, and plays a very simple game, similar to Phillips, but with a harder hit. Could be a solid guy to keep. And at this point in his career, is better than Phillips is.

    • Tooks

      Cant say I’m surprised really, Methot’s body language in the first half of the season hasnt been himself at all, throwing his arms up when teams score, looking completely devestated on the bench…

      He’s probably not having a good time and with all the uncertainty in the front office with our money pincing owner, he’s probably looking to punch his ticket where an owner gives a shit and spends to get better. He saw what happened to Alfie and probably soon Phillips, he has to think he’s next to get chopped.

    • Sandy

      Unless Bryan told him that.. I will reserve judgement on the trading of Methot..
      He is a local guy who struggled early in the year… as well as everyone else on the team.
      Just put him back with Karlsson… things will be fine.
      To give up an experienced D (especially with if no Phillips) to go even younger on the back end.. will be a recipe for disaster..
      You need experience on defense.. unless you are re-building when you want to finish as low as you can..

      • SenaTHOR

        Playing with Karlsson dragged him down.

    • SENSsmile

      I would be very upset if this were to happen. Last year, they gave up André Benoît for absolutely nothing, and he’s now thriving with the Avs. The Sens absolutely need Marc Methot!

  • Zelle

    Woah Jets moved Buf to a forward position.

    • Sensnation

      Last ditch effort before trading him?

      They’ve done this in past seasons as well to try and give him a different perspective.

    • CUP 2014-15

      About time, he sure looked good up front with the Hawks.

      • Tooks

        Yeah on that 3rd line…Oh wait…3rd lines dont score.

  • CUP 2014-15

    Have a good Friday night all. Remember not to feed the trolls, like a rodent, he will just keep returning looking for more scraps. Go Sens Go.

    • Sensnation

      You’re the best Cup, thanks again! Have a nice weekend as well!

    • bluebuyyoo

      Gotta admit, he hooked quite a few big ones today. 400+ comments on a non-game day post is pretty high.

      • Sensnation

        Chirp posted some good topics to get us started today, a lot of good feeback from the entire forum overall!

        • bluebuyyoo

          Yup. Been pretty busy a work and could not believe the volume.

          • SensChirp

            You could tell with the extra day off that Senators fans wanted something to talk about. Twitter was busy today too! Lots of good discussion.

            Thanks y’all!

          • Tooks

            Well done with the questions SC, as you can see it kept us busy.

          • Tooks

            Cowen sucks…

          • bluebuyyoo

            Ok. LOL!

    • Tooks

      You are proof that God has a sense of humour. Go Sens Go.

  • Sensnation

    Was looking for a good article on Chara’s evolution, found this instead lol

  • Andrews theory

    Buf is a beast, throw him out there with Kane and a cent center and that’s going to be a tough line to contain physically and skill wise

  • Sandy

    Just got on the site… wow it’s been busy…
    Love the latest tweet from Mike Modano..
    FYI… Clarke McArthur’s most goals in one season is 21… he’s already at 15. Does he break his personal record prior to the Olympic break?
    Sens need a win tomorrow to stay in the hunt for a playoff spot.. and the possibility of jumping both Tor & Det.
    Tor is not playing well… and Detroit is on it’s California trip.. Boston is 0 wins in 2 games in Cali as well.. with 1 to go. So I feel a little better knowing the better teams in the East also have issues playing the big 3 in Cali.. Sens had 1 out of a possible 6 pts in Ana, LA & SJ… can Det & Bos do better?

    • Doc

      Detroit is in for a rough stretch! Their next 6 games are just brutal!

      This is a great opportunity for the Sens to climb in the standings.

  • Sandy

    This article basically tells the truth.. the whole truth… nothing but the truth…

    http://nilsenreport.ca/2014/01/10/the-tim-murray-era-begins/

    • Sensnation

      Very interesting read. If they return to a cap ceiling team next year a lot of what is said will hold more weight as well. Either way, Tim Murray will make me follow the Sabres even closer! I’m genuinely excited for him.

    • LeafsSux

      Great read… Gets the blood boiling!!!

    • SENSsmile

      What’s even worse is the fact that our $CDN is taking a beating these days, in relation to the $US. Our loonie was at par not too long ago. Now it’s sinking like a stone, @ approx. 91 cents today — nearly 10% drop. Given that the NHL operates in US funds across the board, this is going to cause additional harm to small Canadian markets like Ottawa.

      It was nice of Melnyk to save the Sens several years ago, but who’s going to save us from him today? The generous tycoon has turned into a miserable tightwad. I don’t care why this has happened, but we need a new owner now!

  • NOBODY can play with Spezza

    There will be an AHL All-Star game worth watching this year

    Details here

    http://theahl.com/all-star-roster-p189697

    • Sandy

      I would have thought that leading their division there would be more B-Sens on that roster..