What Could the St. Louis Blues Offer?

SensChirp May 29, 2014 793
What Could the St. Louis Blues Offer?

Jason Spezza rumours are here to stay.

As Sens fans, we have been exposed to them before, but it’s clear this time they have significantly more momentum. Where there’s smoke, there’s fire as they say and in the case of Spezza, it’s gettin’ real smoky. I wouldn’t want to put a percentage on it but based on the talk I’m hearing right now, I would be shocked if Spezza started next season in Ottawa. And while Spezza’s fate seems inevitable at this point, where he ends up and what comes back Ottawa’s way remains very much in question.

St. Louis. Anaheim. Colorado. Nashville. Phoenix. Los Angeles. Minnesota. Calgary. Edmonton. Florida. Toronto. Every one of these teams has been connected to the Spezza rumour mill at some point. Teams are lining up and that’s a good sign for Senators General Manager Bryan Murray.

Of that group, it seems like St. Louis has to be considered the “front-runner”, if there even is one this early in the process. I can confirm the two teams have at least discussed the possibility of a deal again this off season but to say it has gone any further than that would be exaggerating things a little bit. With a month to go till the Entry Draft, a lot can and will change.

With that said, it’s worth taking a closer look at the St. Louis roster to see who might be available. The belief is Murray has set the bar at a young roster player, a prospect and a first round pick. Murray may be aiming a little high with that package but at this stage in the process, he should be. So let’s look at some of the options as far as a “young roster player” goes.

The name that seems to come up most often is Patrick Berglund. The 25 year old Swede is a restricted free agent; coming off a one year, $3.25 million dollar deal. He had 32 points last year, regularly playing more than 15 minutes a night for a strong St. Louis team. He’s a solid player that could provide some insulation for Mika Zibanejad as a second/third line centre.  Berglund’s name has come up in other rumours this summer.  He is certainly available. You’ll also hear the names of Jaden Schwartz or Vladimir Tarasenko but those are pipe dreams right now. Same goes for TJ Oshie.

If the Senators decide that they would like the centre piece of the deal to be a defenceman, Kevin Shattenkirk is a possible target. He has three years left on his deal at $4.25 mil a season and would be a huge boost to Ottawa’s top four. Shattenkirk had 45 points last year, averaging more than 20 minutes a night for the defensively stingy Blues. He can skate. He can move the puck. And he’s a right handed shot. All things Ottawa could use.

If Ottawa and St. Louis enter serious discussions, he would be the guy I go after.

When it comes to prospects, the Blues have lots of ‘em. The three that seem to come up the most often so far include Dmitri Jaskin- a 21 year old, 6’3 right winger and 2nd round pick that scored 15 goals in the AHL last year and played 18 games with the Blues, Ty Rattie- a 6’0 RW and 2nd round pick that scored 31 goals in the AHL and Tommy Vannelli- an American-born defenceman that had 41 points in 60 games with the Medicine Tigers in the WHL last year.

No real high end guys but all solid options that can add to Ottawa’s prospect depth.  St. Louis also has the 21st selection in this year’s Entry Draft, which would probably be of interest to the Senators although this isn’t considered to be a very deep draft.  If Ottawa can build a deal around one of those two young players (Berglund or Shattenkirk), one of those prospects (Jaskin, Rattie, Vannelli) and that first round pick, it’s a pretty solid trade from Ottawa’s perspective.

Now of course it’s all going to come down to leverage and more importantly, the number of teams with serious interest. If the Blues are committed to making this deal, and teams like Nashville, Anaheim and Phoenix are making serious offers, then Murray can start to seriously ask about guys like Jaden Schwartz and Vladimir Tarasenko.

Fingers crossed for a summer bidding war, Sens fans.

  • Hax

    If we do go after Shattenkirk (my choice there as well) then we’d have to move out at least one D-man to make room. So to me that means the deal could get big. Cowen is the guy most likely to interest St. Louis (of the guys we’d consider including) so does that boost the trade enough to include Berglund as well? Clearly we’d need to keep adding….

    • The Apostle

      Something like Spezza and Wiericoch for Shattenkirk and Berglund? I’d try and sneak Greening in there too. Even if we technically “lost” the trade or gave up too much, I think the addition by subtraction factor is quite high.

      • Phil.

        Right, because other team won’t notice his name on there, with the 3M+ cap hit for next year.
        Maybe Murray can add a Post-it note that says “also Greening” on the official trade form right before sending it to the NHL…

        • The Apostle

          Hey, I didn’t say it would work.

          • SensChirp

            I’d also ask for Jordan Schmaltz and then as the deal is going through, insist that you said Jaden Schwartz.

          • Doc

            I like the cut of your jib.

          • Jakester

            Haha, although that schmaltz kid isn’t too bad either!

        • Zelle

          +1 for making me laugh

      • Tooks

        More like Spezza and Cowen for Shattenkirk, Berglund and Jaskin.

        Methot Karlsson
        PW46 Shattenkirk
        Phillips Gryba
        Boro

        • Steve

          What about Cody Ceci?

          • laffin681021

            Spends the year in the minors. Too much of a log jam right now and I think it will benefit Ceci more to be down there for the season, being a call-up if needed. I don’t really think Ceci stabilized the D last year as much as Murray indicated.

          • Zelle

            They told Ceci to get a permanent place in Ottawa so I don’t think they have any intention of sending him back to Bingo.

          • laffin681021

            Gotchya, did not know this. Doesn’t change my opinion whether he stays or not but who knows maybe he’ll blow my mind this year on his improvement.

          • Zelle

            I just read his interview on the Sens website where he talked about his involvement with the ‘Get Checked’ movement and near the end they ask him about his thoughts on being in Ottawa and he mentioned that they told him to get his own place.

            I thought he was stable but yes not phenomenal. I also hope he continues to improve. By no means is he the weak link going into this season though, there are bigger question marks around Cowen, Wiercioch, Phillips, and Boro imo.

          • Simple Jack

            his parents place is pretty permanent

          • Tooks

            No, no. Ceci is a mainstay on our D.

          • runningbear1974

            I’m not sure if you noticed, but Ceci made Phillips look ok… Ceci is a really good player…

          • Matthew Rutldge-Taylor

            Don’t get me started in Phillips. I agree that Ceci was the one that covered up for Phillips’ weaknesses. My head hurts from shaking my head after the Big Rig was resigned.

          • Tooks

            My bad ya’ll forgot Ceci with my giggly thoughts of landing Shattenkirk…

            Obviously Ceci goes 3rd pairing with Phillips. Trade or let somebody else take a shot at Gryba.

      • Hax

        Yeah we’re in a position to overpay a bit with picks/prospects (not too much of course). With Dorion still in the fold and the cupboards fairly well stocked I’d be fine with adding in picks to get a deal done. Or any prospects Dorion feels okay giving up. Heck I’m already over losing Noesen.

      • Cicero

        I think this is very close to the first part of a 3-team deal that I have been trying to work out in my head. Earlier, some here have been talking about how Edmonton is looking for some size and grit.

        Perhaps we can deal for Berglund and Shattenkirk, then flip Berglund and Greening (and another piece? Andy?) to Edmonton for Perron and Gagner.

        I’d much rather have Perron, if we can get him and keep him, over Berglund. Maybe I’ll submit this as my longshot prediction for what will go down this summer :)

    • Matthew Rutldge-Taylor

      Spezza and Cowen for Berglund and Shattenkirk would be a steal for Ottawa. I really hope that happens.

      • jimmyjohnson

        no, it really wouldn’t.

        • Matthew Rutldge-Taylor

          I think that getting rid of two of the Senators worst defensive players would improve the Sens dramatically no matter what came back.

          Shattenkirk is a quality offensive defenceman who has term ramaining on his current deal at a price the Senators can afford on the current budget.

          Bergland won’t cost Ottawa a lot to resign and he’s right at the age of the core of players Murray is trying to develop. I think that he’d help make a second line with Zibanejad a threat.

          If the Sens make this trade, they make the playoffs in 2015 (barring any major injuries etc.)

          • jimmyjohnson

            It’s about maximizing return though. You said it would be a steal, and it obviously isn’t that. If we become a better team via the trade, that’s great, but what you proposed can’t be considered a steal, and considering it a win is pretty iffy too.

          • Matthew Rutldge-Taylor

            Fair enough. It isn’t obvious that that would be a steal, especially if you believe the hype about what Spezza might fetch in a trade. My feeling is that Spezza has a lot less value than people think, and I also feel like Cowen will be a bust. So, any solid return will be a win for Murray, in my humble opinion.

        • Miguel

          really??? realistcally speaking anyway we get Shattenkirk, other than moving Karlsson or Ryan, could be a steal IMO

  • FistsofNeil25

    I said a month ago that I can see St Louis offering Berglund, Rattie and a 1st rounder, and I’ve seen a lot of people mention very similar deals as well. I think if St Louis is serious about contending, they won’t offer up Oshie, Backes, Schwartz, Tarasenko, Steen, Pietrangelo, Bouwmeester or Shattenkirk..

    So I think that leaves us with Berglund, Sobotka, Paajarvi, Polak and prospects like Jaskin and Rattie. There’s nothing there to really get excited about.

    When it’s all said and done, I don’t think Spezza ends up in St Louis. They likely won’t be willing to part with anything that Murray won’t be able to find elsewhere.

  • The Apostle

    I would prefer we ended up getting 2 players that could help us both immediately and in the longer term.That’s why Anaheim is my preferred trading partner. I would be prepared to lose the pick if we got players back and would even be prepared to add a Gryba or a Wiercioch to the deal if required.
    Of course if there are other trades to be considered (and everyone seems to believe there are) one of my two immediate help players could be got there.
    I’ve said this before but I’d love to get Cogliano or Bonino and Fowler or Lindholm out of Anaheim. From a Blues perspective, Shattenkirk would be my preferred centerpiece too.

    • FistsofNeil25

      I would love Fowler or Lindholm but the Ducks are already short on top end defenseman. I doubt they would be willing to part with either of those two. Lindholm will be there #1 guy eventually. They don’t have anyone else in the system capable of being one.

      I also think that Anaheim will push harder for Kesler if he is available than they will for Spezza. They have no trouble producing offense as a team, and Kesler probably offers more of what they’re actually looking for.

      • The Apostle

        Agreed, I think Fowler is far more likely. having karlsson, Fowler and Ceci makes Wiercioch superfluous to my mind.

      • Tooks

        Fowler or Lindholm aint moving.

  • Don Ciccio

    After seeing Chicago’s obvious whole up the middle and need of someone to play with either Sharp or Kane, we could probably add them to the mix of teams that might be interested in Spezza. Also, not sure why Ottawa would want someone like Vannelli when they have guys like Wikstrand and Wideman also coming through the system that can play that role.

    • SensChirp

      A good point on Vannelli. A high end forward prospect would certainly be preferable but maybe not attainable.

      And agree on Chicago. Their name has not come up yet but maybe that has more to do with the fact that they are still playing. Seems like he could be a great fit there.

      • Don Ciccio

        With so many teams trying to land Spezza in the West, you would have to think that there will be quite the bidding war for him. I can’t see Ottawa settling on someone like Vannelli unless there are other trades on the horizon involving some of their other young d-men.

      • The Apostle

        Andrew Shaw and Niklas Hjarmalarmaramalamadingdongsson please.

        • Tooks

          Shaw and Leddy and I would be happy!

          • The Apostle

            Might even be better than my idea. Damn you sir, damn you to hell.

          • Sandy

            Don’t think Shaw goes anywhere…

      • TookieIs100PercentRight

        “Milli” Vannelli would have some sick moves out there.
        And you’re welcome @SunDoniB for the nickname for your column.
        TOOKS100% OUT!!!!!!!!

    • FistsofNeil25

      Chicago has less than 5 million in cap space to fill out their roster. I think Teravainen gets a serious look as 2C there next season.

      Just for fun what would you guys want from the Hawks for Spezza. What’s realistic? I would be very interested in one of Shaw, Teravainen, Morin + Leddy….and that’s assuming that Chicago wouldn’t want to disrupt their core by moving a guy like Hjalmarsson or Saad.

      • Don Ciccio

        I would do something like Teravainen + Leddy + 1st for Spezza + GrybaWiercioch + 2nd
        My preferred trading partner would be Florida with their 1st + Bjugstad for Spezza + WierciochGryba + 2nd

  • Doc

    I still think that our best bet would be to try and grab O’Reilly from Colorado. He would be the PERFECT fit for the Sens. Heck, he could be Captain material. I would give a hell of a lot to grab this kid.

    But we all know that will never happened with Uncle Euge at the helm. Imagine for a minute if Murray had room to play financially. Trades would like this one would actually be a possibility.

    • Senatollah

      WTF? Look at Dollars in / Dollars out. In O’Reilly, Out Spezza and Michalek

      Mac-Turris-Ryan
      Zbad-O’Reilly-Stone

      Nice looking top 6 with trades spezza and not resigning the slowed down Michalek.

      • Doc

        Would The Euge want to commit long term though?

        Plus, I highly doubt Colorado would trade him away. We would have to give a pretty big package in return.

        • Tooks

          Would love O’Reilly but I think COL will demand the moon for him.

          • Doc

            And they should.

        • Senatollah

          Assume he was in play (which i doubt he is anyways), i bet Euge would commit long term. Most of the Sens long term deals have worked out, with the exception of he who shall not be named. I bet for longer deals Euge may be open to pay a bit more for less NTC/NMC conditions…

    • jimmyjohnson

      In what world is Colorado not going to sign him? He’s a selke caliber possessin beast that puts up points and still has upside. We aren’t getting him.

      • Doc

        Didn’t say they would, I said he would be my target. I also said I would give a hell of a lot to try and grab him.

        • jimmyjohnson

          That hell of a lot starts with Karlsson. They aren’t moving him.

          • Jakester

            Don’t overvalue O’Reilly, Karlsson is in another stratosphere dude!

          • Doc

            Easy now. I agree they likely won’t move him, but to say that he’s worth Karlsson is silly.

          • jimmyjohnson

            didn’t say he was worth that (but an O’Reilly ++) package would be in consideration I’m sure if Karlsson ever was moved…

            Regardless, he holds crazy valueto that team and the org top-to-bottom loves him, so yeah they would ask for an overpayment from a different position. That for us means 1 thing……

    • runningbear1974

      O’Reilly would be a great addition to the team… But depends on the cost… It has nothing to do with Euge’s cheapness… Is he worth 10 million a year? How about 8, 7, 6, 5 million? 5 million is good… 7 million is tough sell…
      Spezza, Heatley, and Alfie made 7 million a year… Was it worth it? I don’t think so… It didn’t buy loyalty that’s for sure… They still feel they need more, for us to prove that we value them…
      The moment you’re paid “market value”, you are overpaid… Is Malkin worth 1/8 of his team? Does he do 1/8 of the work? He’s only worth that because some other team would pay that much, but his value to the team is less than that…

      • Doc

        10? No one is worth that. Because of his last contract due to the offer sheet, he will be looking at around 6-6,5 at a minimum. Around 7 is my guess.

        I think he’s worth that too, the guy has all the tools to be successful. Had the most takeaways in the league and only 2 minutes of penalty for the whole year (due to a broken stick nonetheless).

        The perfect 200ft player.

        • jimmyjohnson

          His qualifying offer is 6.5 million.

          He will not make less than 8.

          Kopitar is the perfect 200 foot player.

          We drafted Brian Lee.

          • FistsofNeil25

            8? what are you talking about. They signed Duchene to a contract extension last summer with the expectation that the cap would go up. His deal kicks in this year paying him an average of $6 000 000 per season. They aren’t going to pay O’Reilly $2 000 000 more than Duchene and $2 500 000 more than Landeskog.

          • jimmyjohnson

            Well, they have to pay him at least $6.5 and he just completed one of the more impressive feats of all time, finishing a selke calibre season, playing 20 a night, putting up 65 points, and taking only one minor penalty in the entire season. He was a major reason why they won their division (second only to Varly and Roy imo). And on top of that, he is obviously an offer sheet risk. They will pay him or someone else will…

        • FistsofNeil25

          Yeah, 6.5 for O’Reilly seems like a good number. He’s an awesome player, a true professional, and a complete work horse. I’ve seen some off-season training videos of O’Reilly. He’s an extremely dedicated hockey player. He’s the type of guy you win Stanley Cups with.

          Can’t imagine any scenario where Colorado lets him go.

  • Spoons

    St-Louis sounds like the PERFECT team to deal with. They need a center real bad and possibly even a goalie (I’m not sold on the Elliott-Allen tandem for a contending team), and we possibly have both to offer. The bad news though is that Paul Stastny is a pending UFA center FROM St-Louis. I don’t know is St-Louis feels Stasny is their guy but signing him would mean they don’t need to trade away a guy like Berglund.

    • Tooks

      True that, the teams that dont get Stastny will go after Spezza, but in moderation, they wont give up the farm for him.

      • jimmyjohnson

        Doesn’t work that way.

      • Jakester

        Spezza will be moved before anyone gets to talk to Stastny, so sort of advantage Murray, in a way. He must make it clear that he’s being dealt that day! No waffling.

        • FistsofNeil25

          What makes you think Spezza will be traded before July 1st? Murray isn’t going to rush to trade him. He’ll only move if we’re offered something acceptable for him. If That doesn’t happen before July 1st then he won’t be dealt before free agency.

          • Jakester

            Big mistake if he isn’t moved at the draft. I don’t believe that there are that many teams interested. Don’t allow too many teams to get settled with their rosters cuz then he’s screwed.

          • KJ

            If Murray doesn’t get close to full value for a point per game player in this league over his career (I say close to full value due to his injuries over time), then he gets fired!! Spezza is top ten of active players in points over his career. AND, can still produce when he is healthy.
            DO not, I repeat, DO Not settle on this. we are not talking about Danny Heatley here where it was get what you could and run.

    • jimmyjohnson

      Spezza will be traded at the draft. Stastny won’t be available yet and his agent will keep offers coming in until the last minute.

    • runningbear1974

      The PERFECT team is a team that is willing to overpay for Spezza… And that’s more likely to be a team like Florida…

      • spgottawa

        Was mentioned on TSN 1200 yesterday that Florida is deep in prospects. But who do you get back that can be a top six forward or top 4 defenseman next year? I’d be interested to hear that. Or maybe Sens have designs on the number 1 pick? Or would settle for high second round pick as part of a better package?

        • jimmyjohnson

          a) he’s not likely getting traded to a division rival
          b) an overpayment would be required
          c) the deal starts and ends with the 1st overall ++

          • KJ

            Agreed. They may have interest in Ekblad, but not sure.

  • Dirk-Diggler

    This blog is going to get a million hits… Everyone has an opinion on Spezza to STL that’s for sure..

  • do due dew doodoo

    Improving the D is Ottawa’s biggest problem.
    So – Spezza (plus ?) for Shattenkirk (plus?) , please.

  • Zelle

    I’m really bad at this but would people be upset with:
    Spezza + Cowen = Bergland + Shattenkirk + pick ?

    I like the idea of bringing in another talented swede on the team for Karlsson, and Sens could use a top4 RD right now.

    I’m not very interested in picks/prospects since I think the team should aim for an age group around Turris – Bobby – EK – Lehner and build the team around these four guys.

    EDIT: Reading the comments below, I see people are offering about the same xD

    • Tooks

      I dont think STL needs to add the pick.
      Spezza > Berglund
      Shattenkirk > Cowen

      • laffin681021

        Watch…If this trade happens to go down Cowen will turn into the next Chara

        • Zelle

          Chara seems to have much better hockey IQ though so I’m not sure that would be the case. But yes you never know.

          I think Spezza > > Berglund and that is why I would add the pick.

          • Tooks

            Ya but Shattenkirk >>>>>> Cowen

          • laffin681021

            Very true

          • Zelle

            Yeah true, although there is that all elusive potential with Cowen that people keep talking about. I thought maybe STL would be interested in that… lol

          • Tooks

            Shattenkirk’s potential IS better than Cowen anyways.

          • jimmyjohnson

            lol no

          • Miguel

            What do you mean No??? that must be some kind of awful joke.

          • KJ

            Um. No.

          • Jakester

            Elusive potential is right, it’s even eluded him.

          • runningbear1974

            I disagree about Chara’s IQ… I fight with my Boston fan buddy about it all the time… Chara is huge, and beats people up, he rages… But, he’s dumb… (I wouldn’t tell that to his face)… He just got used to the league, and the league got used to him…
            Cowen might become like Chara, but that’s 7 years away or something…

          • Zelle

            Chara seems to know when to use his stick and when to use his body. When to shoot and when to pass. He also doesn’t buckle under pressure. He makes mistakes sure but so does every other player in the league.

            I know people will say I’m beating up on Cowen or whatever but honestly he scares me. The game moves at 200x speed and Cowen seems to think at the 50x level. If the Senators keep him, I’m hoping this mental lag is due to his inexperience at the pro level and/or confidence level due to his injury.

          • Tooks

            Exactly, Chara has high hockey IQ, otherwise he would just be another Hal Gil.

            He hardly hits in open ice, he plays angles great and has a great stick and can pivot and has good footspeed for a giant!

            Also he has, umm, a cannon of a shot. Knows when to shoot or pass, rarely makes unprovoked mistakes unlike Cowen.

          • runningbear1974

            I don’t agree about Chara’s IQ… I don’t feel like arguing about this too much… But, Chara is nowhere close to Lidstrom, Pronger, Niedermayer, nowhere close to any of the smart players… Yeah, he’s better than Hal Gil, because he’s much superior to him physically, and way more coordination…

          • TookieIs100PercentRight

            Chara is for sure in the same area as Niedermayer. He’s not with Lidstrom but Lidstrom is a top 3-4 all-time. Nieds, Chara are in that 15-25 all-time slot, place them wherever you’d like.

          • runningbear1974

            I agree about Cowen being scary… Not only does he seem stupid, and slow… He seems delusional… He doesn’t even know that he’s stupid…
            Chara has improved tons, and he makes a lot of better decisions nowadays, but, when push comes to shove, he’ll make a stupid play… They only won against Vancouver (who aren’t playoff smart)…

          • Tooks

            Yeah thx, I’ll take a better Shattenkirk right now! Dont want to wait 3-4-5-6-7 years for Cowen to finally be at NHL level…

        • Tooks

          Highly doubt it. Cowen doesnt have the hockey IQ and isnt 6’9!!

        • Jakester

          I should change my name to Laffin…lol

      • jimmyjohnson

        I know it’s semantics but

        Spezza >>>>>> Berglund
        Shattenkirk >>>>>> Cowen

        The weighting of the deal looks like this:

        Spezza >> Shattenkirk
        Cowen > Berglund
        1st >> nothing

        No we lose that deal in a big big way.

        • Tooks

          Berglund > Cowen

          • jimmyjohnson

            no. not true. only in fans eyes.

    • jimmyjohnson

      To me, Cowen is totally expendable, but there’s literally no reason to add him for a return like that. If they package that and give us a first as well, we could give them a 3rd and a middling prospect like Prince (who would be great for them and Imo will be a real good player) and we’d be done. I still don’t want Berglund tho. Totally replaceable player.

    • runningbear1974

      Karlsson already has a few talented Swedes to play with… Zibanejad and Lehner… Personally (sorry for being racist)… But, I don’t want to fill our team with over seas players… Bonk, Yashin, Hossa, Havlat, Dackell, Arverdson, (Spezza plays like one)… Enough of those guys… We did that for 20 years… lets have a more north American style of game…
      Bobby Ryan could use a talented American to play with him… I think all we have are Condra and Anderson…

      • Tooks

        BPA, whoever is the best player available I dont care IF he’s from Japan!
        Some good Americans coming up in the draft tho! Could get one of those. Eichel to play with Bobby!

        • runningbear1974

          Said above, it’s not about BEST, its about STYLE?
          Who’s better Hemsky or Macarthur? I think most fans would say Hemsky… I’m saying don’t make that decision, choose Macarthur every time…
          1) Hemsky is worth 5 million for some reason (I think it’s all his skill)
          2) Macarthur is worth 3.5 million because he has to work hard to get points…
          I’m not really racist… I don’t care where anyone comes from… Don’t care colour of skin, of religion, or sexual orientation.. Don’t matter…

      • Phil.

        You mean like Daigle and Butler?

        • runningbear1974

          I’m glad you understand the point I’m making… Yes, a team full of Daigles and Butlers is exactly what we need…

      • Zelle

        I get what you mean. I definitely wouldn’t mind getting more Canadian players but if a player fills a roll on the Sens that is needed I couldn’t care less where he comes from or what he looks like. Berglund, to me, looks like he could fill a roll and he’s a Swede so I think that would be nice for EK. Zbad and Lehner look to be closer with the Bingo guys. In particular Zbad looked to gel with Silf the most, after he was gone though I thought he had chemistry with Conacher. Who knows though, it was just a thought. People mention that EK is not happy. I’d like the organization to do what they can to make him happy.

        • Jakester

          EK is unhappy that some chick left with half of his money! He’ll cheer up in time! Lol

        • runningbear1974

          Karlsson might be unhappy but I blame that on him, and the decisions he’s making… Who gets divorced within a year? Something wrong there… There’s obviously something wrong with his judgement… I don’t know how to solve that… He might come out stronger, or he might not… Unfortunately its up to him to make better decisions… I hope he grows up, I hope he learns, but he might not… I don’t believe in him like I used to… Anyway, no way to bringing extra swedes to make karlsson happy… I say do the opposiste, push him hard and see how he reacts… If he’s passive aggressive, then get rid of him, if he’s assertive then we’ll have a gem for a lifetime…

      • spgottawa

        Kopitar and Gaborik doing well with the Kings….

        • runningbear1974

          Gaborik is a perfect example… He’s doing ok with LA because they’re filled with Canadian types… But a team filled with Gaboriks would play like shit, and would be out of the playoffs at this point…
          Better to have mostly grit with some skilled sprinkled in, versus, mostly skilled with 1 gritty guy…

          • CR Sens

            I know you said you’re “not really racist”, but this is getting to be borderline now. I understand your point, but just leave nationality out of it – you want gritty players, regardless of where they’re from.

      • Don Ciccio

        We have Greening, Smith, Neil, MacArthur, Turris, Hoffman, Ryan, Spezza, Condra, Kassian, Stone, Phillips, Cowen, Wiercioch, Ceci, Gryba, and Boro who are all North American players…….I want a good return and don’t give a crap where they come from…….So if a team offers up a good Euro then, we should pass him up because he is not North American…..It’s that kind of thinking that sets franchises back.

        • Doc

          Agreed. You take the best players, period.

          None of this ‘N-A players’ nonsense.

          • runningbear1974

            Hemsky versus Macarthur????
            I think most people think Hemsky is better… So, it’s not about who’s “BEST”… It’s more about the style you want to play… I’m sick of the Hemsky style, spezza, boooo to that shit… I want a more tough, gritty, tries hard type… Even if the European guy is “BETTER”…
            sorry for using racism to make a point

        • Jakester

          If that Green bitch from Star Trek had a great one timer we’d take her!

          • runningbear1974

            Consistent, dependable, does what it takes, steps it up when the going gets tough… Has poise under pressure, not afraid to get hit, or to hit… Yeah, I would take the green bitch… But, our fan base, maybe all fan bases fall for the flashy bullshit players like Hemsky… If you have a shit team, add Hemsky, if you want a cup contending team, why would you even think about Hemsky… I don’t know why people value Hemsky, but they’re wrong, and we should not go for those types of players…

          • Don Ciccio

            What do you think of players like Hossa, Chara, Zetterberg, and Datsyuk? We lost two Superstars because Muckler had the exact same mentality as you. Every nation has soft and hard players. You want someone like Heatley back because he is Canadian? The guy doesn’t even care enough about the game or himself to get in shape……Nationality means crap, it’s all about someone’s character. I could name many soft Canadian players as well.

          • peetypuck

            The funniest thing to watch is two Euro’s fight. They puff themselves up and push each other around a bit and bitch slap each other when they’re “really” angry.

          • FistsofNeil25

            What do ya mean?

          • peetypuck

            I remember (I think) it was Bonk and Jokinen Fla) looked like they wanted to fight each other but the above is all they did. lol

          • FistsofNeil25

            Yeah we really made the right choice when we kept the rugged, hard-nosed defenseman Wade Redden over the soft and flashy Zdeno Chara right?

          • peetypuck

            C’mon now FoN. Name me one other player like Chara that has ever played in the NHL. Besides, I watched Neiler take him down twice since he went to Boston.

        • runningbear1974

          I’m sorry… I should say a good skilled Canadian… We have Spezza but he plays more like a Swedish player than a Canadian… Turris is awesome…Ceci is awesome… All those others are spare parts… We need more Canadian “significant” players… We could lose any of those other players and it wouldn’t hurt our team any…

          • peetypuck

            That’s why the Leafs would beat our Sens in the playoffs in the early 2000′s. As soon as they started hitting, our Euro stars shriveled up and disappeared. Hell once, Arvedson just stood there and let Domi break his nose. He didn’t even try to defend himself. Opposing players could gang up on one of our players and our Euro’s would stand half-way across the rink with their thumbs up their __sses.

          • FistsofNeil25

            So we should trade Karlsson while we’re at it eh?!?!?!

          • KJ

            Loosing Spezza is going to hurt. what do Swede`s play like? Forsberg? I’ll take him then!

      • FistsofNeil25

        Silly comment. Swedes and Fins don’t play much of a different game than North Americans.

        I don’t care what nationality any player is. All that matters is if they can the game type of game we want.

        Berglund is some flashy Swedish player. He’s a responsible two-way player with size and grit.

        • runningbear1974

          Sorry for being racist… I feel Ottawa has always had a soft skilled, nothing to be proud of team… No one respects the team we put on the ice… I was ready to give up on team a few years ago, but then they started being pesky, and there was talk of rebuild so I held in there… Then we signed Phillips to extension and I felt sick inside, I was giving up… Then there was talk of getting rid of Spezza, and now I’m interested again… We have never ever won a playoff series that we shouldn’t have (except the first one against NJ Devils)… But, people think Alfie was clutch… No he wasn’t… You could seem him fumbling the puck under pressure… Anyway… We should model our team on LA Kings, and NJ Devils of old… Good Goalie, good defense, and a whole bunch of Canadians…

          • runningbear1974

            sorry for more racism… The skilled Canadians we’ve had were Spezza and Daigle, and they don’t play like Canadians (they don’t count as Canadian in my books)… I like Turris, finally a real Canadian type… Need a couple more Turris type Canadians to establish a pattern…

          • KJ

            stupid comment in my opinion. Daigle was a waste unfortunately. He cracked and didn’t even want to play the game due to being forced to play by his parents. He was drafted 1st overall, because he had some sick junior year before the draft. If it was another team picking instead of Ottawa, he still would have been drafted 1st overall, and then been some other teams problem. But this is back when we really sucked as an expansion team.
            Spezza is genuine raw talent. Players like him don’t grow on trees. Spezza is not a Canadian? That’s just a dumb ass statement.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Alfie was never clutch? Sure… He scored a lot of big playoff goals for this franchise. I don’t even know what you’re talking about sometimes.

  • Max Power

    cowen, weircouch, greening, condra, prince, spezza

    for Peetralanaglou

    • jimmyjohnson

      Is this a hangover joke post?

      They seriously have no need for any of those players and lololol @spelling.

      Spezza becomes their top line centre instantly and Prince becomes their best prospect. Every other player is pretty much useless. and peter-angelo is not being traded.

    • Doc

      Put down the drink Max.

  • Dirk-Diggler

    If we are trading with STL it would not be for a garbage package of 3rd liners and guys that maybe can play on the 2nd line.

    If I am Murray I stand pat at 2015 1st, Shattenkirk and Shwartz for Spezza, Methot and Puempel.

    Big trade with lots of pieces going both ways.

    The D next year would be

    Cowen-Karlsson
    Weircioch-Shattenkirk
    Phillips-Ceci
    Boro

    stay firm with that pacakge until the draft or even until July 1st. See if STL panicks. No need to give JS away for a crappy deal. Make them pay, patience is key.

    • Max Power

      the thought of cowen with Karlsson makes me want to puke

      also… massive overpayment, no need to include puempel and methot… maybe weir instead

      • Dirk-Diggler

        I think we would be making out like bandits…

        Also, Cowen will bouce back… the guy is still young and injuries set him back… next year I expect him to be faster and meaner…

      • jimmyjohnson

        to get both shat and schwartz?? yes, there’s very much a need to include other quality pieces.

      • Doc

        You’re kidding right? We would need to add a lot more to get that done.

    • Jakester

      Cowen and Karlsson again sounds real smart!

    • Sandy

      Cowen with Karlsson didn’t work last season and probably won’t this season..
      Both were hampered by their injuries and the chemistry just wasn’t there..
      When Cowen was playing with Gonchar his first season, he was liked by the fan base.
      When he played in the lockout season and espeically game 3 in the Sens-Habs series and beat up on White… Cowen was a beast.
      Last season coming off of major hip surgery and put on the top line where he struggled. Hindsight is always good but he should have played in the 2nd or 3rd pairing. Bryan Murray even admitted they asked too much of Cowen last season.
      So he struggles one season.. now he is a failure and no good?
      I’m willing to give Cowen another chance.. but on the 2nd pairing with a more experienced defenseman.
      As I have said in the past == young players should be put in a position to succeed not to fail..

  • http://@CARLOSwSPECR1 CARLOSwSPECR1

    I’m still in favour of trading with Nashville: Shea Weber for Spezza and Cowen

    • Doc

      You can’t be serious lol…

      • http://@CARLOSwSPECR1 CARLOSwSPECR1

        And tell what realistic trade would you consider? (Not that Nashville would consider trading Weber, unless it’s for a salary dump)

        • Doc

          Something like the other posters mentioned.

          I’m not sure in what world you think that Spezza + Cowen would land you Weber.

          • KJ

            You under value Spezza too much

  • Chadillac

    I wouldn’t be trading Cowen. We would be selling low. He had a rough year, but he just came back from a major surgery. I would be trying to move PW46

    • Dirk-Diggler

      don’t move either!

    • Tooks

      Shattenkirk is selling low?

      • Chadillac

        I think you mean buying high on Shattenkirk. Selling Cowen low. Don’t get me wrong, I like Shattenkirk, but not sure I would trade Spezza and Cowen to make that deal happen.

    • http://@CARLOSwSPECR1 CARLOSwSPECR1

      PW46 would be ideal, but I’m trying to be realistic. I think Cowen (top 4 D) and an expiring contract in Spezza for a locked Shea Weber for many years is fair.

      You’ll have a potential top 2 D-pairing, and 2 great franchise players in EK65 and Weber.

      I’m just tired of trading for “Potential good players.” I rather trade for Proven roster players. If money is involved, I think Melynk is willing to pay Weber his money if he knows the potential ticket-draw for Weber and EK65 for years to come.

      • Doc

        How is that fair? You’re delusional if you think that is a fair trade for arguably the best defenseman in the league. Spezza is going to be 31 and only has one year left on his contract. Cowen adds little value right now so you would be selling low.

        Would you need something like Spezza, Zibby, Lazar, next year’s first and +. Even then they wouldn’t do it.

        If Murray calls Poile with the package you mentioned, he wouldn’t have time to finish his sentence and Poile would have hung up already.

        • Jakester

          Weber is overpaid ,and I’m sorry , but a little overrated. Suter looks better without him too! And that contract forget about it!

          • Doc

            His salary is not what is questioned here. It’s the quality of the player, and what it would take to grab him.

            Overrated he is not. The guy’s a beast.

          • Jakester

            You’re trading Spezza, Zibby,Lazar, and next years first! C’mon cut off the left leg to save the right leg. Makes no sense. And the contract is out of whack. They should’ve let Philly take him with the offer sheet.

          • Doc

            That’s exactly my point. It would take our best prospects for Weber to even be considered in a trade. Nevermind the fact that we couldn’t afford him money wise.

            Spezza and Cowen? Good god, that is laughable.

            Enough with these silly trade proposals.

          • Jakester

            What the F do you have left after that trade???

          • Doc

            THAT’S THE WHOLE FUCKING POINT. Are you dense?

            It was to point out that you would need to give away our best player to get a player of his calibre, which means IT WON’T HAPPEN.

            Keep thinking that Spezza + Cowen will land us other team’s franchise players.

            Fuck I can’t wait for the draft to come along so we can’t stop with this non-sense.

          • Jakester

            Spezza and Cowen agreed won’t get you much more that is for sure. I would move both this summer in separate trades! And FOFF By the way, cuz I’m not dense. U tend to overvalue other team’s players a little so you go off in the other direction.

          • KJ

            now. I agree with your last statement whole heartedly!

          • Tooks

            Thank the Lord we dont see him often, our little players would get crushed by his shadow…

          • Sandy

            Agreed. Trading that.. rips the team apart. That’s a Muckler type deal.. not a Murray type deal.. Zibby & Lazar and next year’s first.. which could be a top 10, stays in Ottawa.

          • Doc

            Another that’s missing the point.

            Read the other comments, and you’ll see what I was getting to.

        • jimmyjohnson

          That package is the definition of an overpayment. Next years first, without those 3 players, will be a top 5 pick in a crazy strong draft.

          And Cowen has a lot of value, still. One bad post injury season of clueless, terrible play on a bad team doesn’t erase the memory of the kid that led this franchises farm team to a championship. He has tons of value. Fans just don’t see it.

          And although we aren’t getting Weber, for fun, I figure a deal like:
          Spezza (and a prenegotiated extension), Cowen, Claesson, the rights to Hemsky, and our 2016 1st
          would be enough to get Weber. Probably not enough to outbid other teams, but he has an NTC, so he chooses his destination.

          • jimmyjohnson

            Just to add to my first point about the 1st next year in that package:

            Imagine it was the 1st overall? It would be like giving up an entire starting lineup of centres (all top 6 caliber).

            That trade is just all kinds of brutal, even if we get the best player in the deal.

          • Doc

            So we are bottoming out next year? Interesting…

          • Tooks

            Maybe, maybe not. but it is a possibility.

          • jimmyjohnson

            If you can look at our roster, without the top line and seriously tell me that you see a playoff team… well, … ok.

            Without dramatic improvement from almost everyone, all while being moved up the depth chart, we are absolutely on rhe outside lookng in. We will likely finish (again) with Florida, above Buffalo, at the Bottom of the division. And given the strength of that draft class, I’m ok with that.

          • Doc

            So you’re basing this off us losing our first line and not replacing them?

          • jimmyjohnson

            losing the top line (which we won’t be able to replace), the goaltending being consistent with this season, the young d still going through growing pains, and every forward bumped one rung up the depth chart and asked to produce 50% more than they did last year.

            Non rose coloured glasses type of outlook.

          • Doc

            Top 5 pick? Not sure how you figure that.

            Cowen has potential, not value. His value is at its lowest now, so he adds nothing. Keep him to see if he can find his game back and then you could consider trading him. No point in trying to package him now.

            And no, your last trade proposal wouldn’t do it. Weber is a top 3 defenseman in this league. They would be asking for Karlsson in return for crying out loud. Rights to Hemsky? How has that any value?

            You’re right about one thing though. He has a NTC and we couldn’t compete with other teams in regards to what we could offer. So the point of trading for him is moot.

          • jimmyjohnson

            “How I figure that” is our centre depth becomes Turris, Smith, Pageau, Grant and lose our only bluechip prospect while obliterating our forward depth. We become Nashville, with worse goaltending and worse defensive depth (behind two superstars).

            And no, Cowen’s value was at it’s lowest when he fell to 9th in the draft. He still has tons of value to league reps, even if fans think he’s a dummy.

            And no again, they wouldn’t get Karlsson and Spezza. Spezza still holds value…you get that, right? And Hesmky’s rights, alongside Spezza, now hold value too.

          • Doc

            You’re clearly missing the point. My point was that you won’t get Weber for a pending UFA and a struggling young defenseman after a horrible season. Period. Whatever way you want to see it, it won’t happen.

            You’re again confusing potential with value. Cowen had his lowest value when he was drafted? The hell does that even mean? His value dropped dramatically this year. I’m sorry if you disagree, but that’s the reality. I’m not saying he’s done for, I’m saying he has little value right now so the best bet would be to keep him and hope that he works through his struggles.

            As for Spezza, I never said he didn’t. But you’ll probably be disappointed with the return if you expect guys like Weber in return. The Karlsson comment was to point out what they would want in return for Weber. A franchise player of equal quality.

            You get that, right?

          • jimmyjohnson

            yep, I do and I did, and I’m not advocating trading Cowen now unless another team acknowledges his still top-end potential by inflating his respective value to whayever trade they propose. And in the deal I proposed, it was basically a signed Spezza, along with Cowen plus three other assets.

            In no way do I think we’ll see a Weber, Pietro, Getzlaf, Kopitar level return for Spezza. I was just discussing one scenario that was: If Weber wanted to move, wanted specifically to come here, and Nashville understood that Karlsson was off the table….then that’s the type of deal that they would be settling with ( with their limited bargaining power).

          • KJ

            Um. No. In a cap world, deals like this will never happen. You are trying to convince us that a point a game player over his career and the playoffs needs 4 other assets to get one other player (of high value). ridiculous. let the experienced people (NHL execs) make the trades and leave this stuff to teenage kids on NHL 14, or 15 please.

        • http://@CARLOSwSPECR1 CARLOSwSPECR1

          And I supposed an injury-ridden Michaelek, and a declining Cheechoo, and a 2nd round was fair for Heatley.

          I think you forgot to consider that Nashville in the past few months were thinking of trading Shea Weber because they’re having second thoughts about his contract.

          • Doc

            Doesn’t mean they will give him away for nothing.

            Not sure what the Heatley deal has anything to do with this though.

  • Mike Bauer

    Sadly I think you’re gonna have to take some teams scraps for Spezza. Berglund is scraps. Rattie is alright.

    I’d look at packaging Andy with Spezza to StL. Maybe that deal could be Schwartz, Rattie, 1st

    I’d also hope Chicago goes out. Spezza would be a nice fit with a friendly cap hit at 1 year to them. I’d be licking my chips at the thought of Teurovainen here…

  • ProfessorPower

    hell no to Berglund….and Shattenkirk is good but overrated. If STL isnt gonna offer high end talent then dont be stupid enough to trade with him.

    Berglund + Rattie + 1st is a meh return that is easily beat out but another team. Berglund isnt even a legit top 6 forward..Rattie is 170 pounds meaning he’s probably 1-2 years away from the bigs and a 1st that is late in a mediocre draft class.

    Meaning with either Shattenkirk or Berglund as the main piece..thats the only piece of use to us this season and probably next. BAD MOVE, seriously hoping we dont trade with STL if this is the case.

  • jimmyjohnson

    I realize that constructing fantasy deals os tough for everyday hockeu enthusiasts, but you can’t possibly think that there is anything remotely similar about these two deals: Berglund, rattie, 1st and Shattenkirk, Jaskin, 1st.

    One is every STL fans favorite spare parts deal and the other is a pretty good package. Jaskin and Rattie are sort of interchangeable (value wise, although I want nothing to do with Rattie and I felt that way since before he was drafted), the 1st is obviously the same, and then you’ve got this massive gap in quality of asset between Berglund and Shattenkirk.

    The reality of the Spezza trade is that we will lose the deal and getting a package like the first one will be exactly like the Havlat deal, except we lose our number 1 center instead of our extra high end forward. It will be like losing Havlat and Chara!

    ST. Louis simply does not have a high end prospect, outside of Jake Allen, a player they will not be trading. So the value in a package from them has to come from the roster player (seeing how a late first doesn’t carry weight, not in a deal for a player like Spezza). That means we need an Oshie, Shattenkirk, Tarashhhhenko, or Schwartz coming back. I agree that Oshie probably won’t be the guy because of his folk hero status there. The other 3 they won’t want to trade, but two are home grown picks and the other was traded to them. I don’t know how they think about that, but usually that means one is more expendable. He also happens to fill a pressing need (moreso than a top line winger) for this club.

    • ProfessorPower

      we can get Defense through another route. When we trade Spezza we should be looking for high end forwards since we essentially lose Spezza Hemsky and Michalek…our offense is now actually the bigger issue.

      and like i said, Shattenkirk is decent. Although I agree he is a much better piece than Bergund.

      Much rather trade with Ducks Colorado or LA

      • jimmyjohnson

        Well, to be fair, we have defense (and plenty of it), what we don’t have is legit, developed defensive talent that can take pressure off of player #65. In getting Shattenkirk, we get a young top-4 D still with upside, who is already proven (a very rare and valuable asset) and we create a logjam (more of a logjam) at D, which will later allow us to package a couple pieces for a forward.

        The reality is that even losing our “top line”, we still have 6 top 6 NHL forwards (yes, I think Hoff, Zib, and Stone will prove this to be true this year) and about 5 more prospects close to the show that can probably add some offense to the lineup this year or next.

        As far as “rather trade with” goes, the reality is that we are about to lose the trade that sees our homegrown, long time #1 center leave town. It won’t be a good day for this franchise. I’m excited to talk trade, like everyone else, but I think preferred trading partner is kind of irrelevant. Semantics, but just my thoughts.

        And Anaheim doesn’t have a whole lot that interests me (nothing they would trade anyways, ie Lindholm, Gibson, Getzlaf lol)

        • peetypuck

          A generally well thought out piece Jimmy. One thing though, you’re a little ahead of yourself on Hoff, Zib and Stone. I hope you’re right about them but it’s a little early to call them top-six players yet.

          • jimmyjohnson

            Totally. But Zib is pretty proven, Stone impressed the hell out of me, and Hoff has a history of turning corners in a big way. I feel pretty confident sayinf they will each get 30 points this year, which technically will put them right in the top6 discussion.

            More important than that:
            We’re now back in a rebuild amd it’s more important to find out what we havein them, Wier, Cowen, Boro, and others than winning. I’m fine with entering the with that supposed top 6. If you stagger them a little, it might help too.

            eg. Hoff-Turris-Ryan, Mac-Zib-Stone
            or Mac-Turris-Stone, Hoff-Zib-Ryan

            Thankfully I have full confidence in each player on that top line, so it gives me slight hope that they might be better than an also-ran.

          • peetypuck

            Yes, we’re still in rebuild mode and those three are all we have at the moment to make a 2nd line. Here’s where we drafted over the last four years, 2010-13…16-6-15-17. I’d like to see us get a very high draft pick in 2015.

          • jimmyjohnson

            I’m not rooting for it, but if we can retain the talent we have AND add a top10 or (especially) a top5 pick from a draft like next years….maybe getting another 1st in the Spezza trade and a couple more high picks from other moves durng the season (methot and andy for seconds, etc)… thats a game changer. If we tank right out or win the lottery, we could wind up with an eichel or mcdavid and be instantly back in playoff contention the next season!

          • peetypuck

            I’ve been preaching that we should go for McDavid or Eichel and try for Florida’s #1 pick this year by trading Spezza there. Tallon is under heavy pressure by the owner to make the playoffs this year. He needs good veterans like Spezza now more than draft picks.

        • Sandy

          We are losing 3 experienced top 6 forwards for 3 young and inexperienced top 6 forwards who may or may not adapt to being on the 2nd line..

  • Pasky

    I think these are the two most realistic trades involving St-Louis

    Spezza for Berglund, Rattie, 2014 1st

    Spezza, Weircioch for Shattenkirk, Jaskin, 2014 1st

    I like the Shattenkirk deal and the money works out pretty good. Their cap hit would be 53M roughly, with 10F, 7D & 2G. They could resign Berglund, Sobotka and Schwartz to give them 13F and still be under the Salary Cap.

    And for the record I added Weircioch instead of Cowen because the cap hit is smaller for St-Louis, and they will need to add a powerplay guy with the loss of Shattenkirk.

    • Tooks

      Awesome scenarios! I like the 2nd deal, alot! Sad to see PW46 go but its worth it.

  • EHMatt

    If Spezza was to be traded to St. Louis, my preference would be Shattenkirk, Rattie and a 2015 1st. But I’d settle for a 2014 1st.

    Out of all the teams rumoured to be interested, I might want to consider Colorado as well. They would likely include RFA Ryan O’Reilly. I don’t know how intriguing some of their prospects are, but that could be used as leverage to grab a 2015 draft pick as it is possible they will regress next year.

    Maybe it would be a good idea to write an article for each of the interested teams and who they might include in a trade for Spezza, Chirp.

    • jimmyjohnson

      Agreed on the 2015 1st and Shattenkirk.

      Rattie can eat a :..,

      • s3nsfan75

        pickle

      • Sandy

        St Louis 2015 first round pick sits with Buffalo..
        It’s either the 2014 first rounder which at 21st is basically not worth much.. or the 2016 first round pick..

    • FistsofNeil25

      It would have to be Spezza + for O’Reilly.

      • EHMatt

        No way, their value is at least equal. Especially with the fact that O’Reilly is an RFA. Plus he has to be paid a minimum $6.5 million. That would bring down the value a little.

  • Dirtysweetness

    Any more news on Euge’s company being approved by the FDA?

    • Senatollah

      it was yesterday. so now it goes into production. assuming no challenges next steps are constant cash from patients or company purchased by larger big-pharm for access to the tech for like products.

      • spgottawa

        Good for him. Maybe good for Sens fans, maybe no diff…

    • SensChirp
      • FBP

        Awesome typo from the article:

        “According to a company release, it is estimated that nearly 13 American men may have low testosterone levels…”

        Hopefully they’re all billionaires.

        • Jakester

          Hope they use it like candy, stock up for a rainy day lol 13 guys not too many! Lol 13 percent and we’re in business

        • Sandy

          Is that 13% or 13 M?

      • A-Train

        I wonder if Melnyk’s marketing gurus are working up some cross-promotion synergy scenarios for this Testosterone Nasal Gel? Too bad we just renamed the building….

        • Jakester

          Maybe instead of FEARLESS as our slogan

          It should be

          Jizz Smell the Excitement!

          • FistsofNeil25

            wow…

          • A-Train

            I guess I opened the door for that one…

          • peetypuck

            OR…..Try our nasal gel.
            You’ll grow some gonads.

        • Tooks

          Ohh free Testosterone Nasal Gel samples at every game!!!
          Thats one way t get the crowd going!

  • Jakester

    I’m ok with Berglund, Jaskin, and their first. You get two big bodies to join our forward ranks. And Jaskin might be a rare find, big guy who can score with a mean streak!

    • Tooks

      Thats my trade from the previous thread!
      But it might be just me, I like Jaskin and think he would be awesome with Zbad and Lazar!

      • jimmyjohnson

        Jaskin is a nice piece.

        Berglund… not so much.

      • Jakester

        Don’t tell me, we agree????? Lol

    • Sandy

      Jaskin is Russian. Will Murray trade for him?

  • spgottawa

    Haven’t seen too many blockbuster trades lately involving multiple players on both sides. Any recent examples? I don’t think BM would be hesitant to do something but those deals are tough to do. So I think Soezza for 2-3 players/picks is most likely. Too many deals here are too big to happen – though I’d like to see it!

    • jimmyjohnson

      The Miller trade is recent and was big. There are others too.

      We’ll almost definitely see more pieces from the Sens heading back in a multi- player deal.

    • Senatollah

      If you want multi-player what pieces would be needed to trade with Vancouver (assuming anyone with trade restrictions don’t block the deal).
      Spezza+Anderson for Kesler+Bieksa

      They need goaltending, we need D, swap of centres. Bieksa shoots right and has favourable contract (high cap hit, low actual $s) and could fit nicely with Wiercioch.

      Might need other pieces both ways

      • jimmyjohnson

        That’s… just…. AWFUL!

        *puke*

      • Sandy

        I want nothing that Vancouver has..

  • Andrews theory

    I understand Florida may be a non starter for Spezza but thats a team with an abundance of prospects and the first overall this year. With a dissapointing sophmore season out of Huberdeau, is there any chance he couild be made available?

    • Tooks

      I dont think so, they got the right GM for the rebuild and he wil keep his franchise players.

      • Andrews theory

        thats a sick 1-2 punch with barkov. so with that said, they’ve confirmed the first overall is up for grabs any interest there?

        • Doc

          What would we need to send back though?

          • Tooks

            Dont know? I figure, young proven players?

          • Doc

            Which we also need. :/

          • Tooks

            Agreed, I just said that tho, I dont really know what FLA wants. In any case I dont think we can beat out other teams.

    • Doc

      None if you ask me.

      He’s legit, and will be a franchise player. He’s just playing with a shitty team without any help. Sucks for his development.

  • A-Train

    Here’s a timeline question someone may be able to answer:

    The entry draft is June 27, free agency begins July 1.

    Now I know teams often bend the “rules” around negotiating with free agents before July 1, but couldn’t this effect the Spezza deal in the following way — Paul Stastny is the big free agent centre this year. You’d have to think teams looking at Spezza may be waiting to see how the Stastny situation plays out.

    This must have come up before…but I can’t think of an example.

    • Doc

      If the word around the league is that they expect him to be traded before the draft, then it just might be a gamble on the other team’s part if they want to wait.

      • A-Train

        Right, I guess it just throws a bit of a wrench into the idea that a 2014 1st is part of Murray’s ask.

        A 2015 1st maybe?

        • Doc

          I would actually prefer that would be the case. Everything points to next year’s draft being a lot better than this year.

          • A-Train

            That’s the consensus, yeah. So it might change the weighting of the elements in a deal. The 1st becomes a bigger piece if its in 2015′s draft.

          • Doc

            Oh for sure it will.

        • FistsofNeil25

          If we’re discussing trade with St Louis and if a 1st is part of Murray’s expected return then it would have to be a 2014 or 2016 pick. They traded their 2015 1st in the Miller deal.

          • A-Train

            Yet another complication.

        • Hax

          I personally don’t care much about any extra 2014 picks. Not that I’d turn down a 1st even this year but I don’t get why many people seem to think we NEED a first so badly.

          I expect that if Spezza gets traded before he’s signed (i.e. at the draft or simply just before any new contract is final) the trade will include some significant conditional picks. i.e. Spezza for x and y plus a conditional 1st in 2015 if he signs an extension (which becomes a 2016 1st if he signs an extension with that team after the 2015 draft).

          So lots of conditions … that’s why I still think he’ll get traded after July 1st.

    • sprucesens

      don’t teams get 1 week prior to July 1st to talk to players to get a feel for if they have a chance to sign? If so, this can happen before Junes 27. Not much before, but they do have the chance. Also murray can give permission to talk to spezza’s agent before hand if they are trying to make a deal.

  • Rafi Bomb

    The only players that are interesting from the Blues are David Backes, T.J. Oshie, Kevin Shattenkirk, Jaden Schwartz and Vladimir Tarasenko . Pretty much anything else the Blues can offer, could easily be topped by another team.

    • Doc

      Besides Shattenkirk, I don’t think the other players are reasonable expectations.

      • Rafi Bomb

        In terms of objective value they are, but the Blues may not have any interest in moving them. Even then after failing to gar far in the playoffs in a year they were expected to have a legitimate chance of winning, guys like Oshie and Backes may not have as secure positions on the team.

        The fact still remains, the rest of what the Blues have to offer is inferior to what we could get from other teams. If they don’t want to offer any of those players listed above then we simply won’t be trading with them.

        • Doc

          Agreed. I’d love to have Oshie on Zibby’s wing.

          Curious to see how serious STL will be in regards to a potential Spezza trade.

          • AutoTurris

            While I am currently in the camp that is not expecting any stars in return, there really is no predicting how St. Louis will manage this… Two eliminations early in two years and they’re keeping Hitchcock; we could see a name like Oshie float over here. Maybe. Hopefully.

          • Doc

            One can hope!

  • A-Train

    I really hope it’s a good defenceman coming back in any Spezza trade.

    We have some forward prospects on the big team and in the system. But the ‘D’ outlook is very bleak. Even if you are excited about Claesson — and I’m not saying you shouldn’t be — he’s probably a ways off from being an impact NHL player.

    We need that top 4 D in the 24-29 year old range.

    • Doc

      Agreed!

    • do due dew doodoo

      Welllllll – Shattenkirk is 25

    • Rafi Bomb

      Long term our D will be fine. We have Karlsson, Ceci and Cowen. Karlsson is already a number 1 d man and both Cowen and Ceci have number 1 upside as well.

      But going into next year, we could use a more established top 4 d man.

      • FistsofNeil25

        Cowen has #1 upside? Could have fooled me… Ceci definitely has top pairing potential… but Cowen?? I think he could be a solid #3 one day but much more than that could be an exaggeration.

        • Rafi Bomb

          Cowen is a long term project. He still has very high upside and could be a number 1 d man at some point. Just because he struggled last year doesn’t mean that the upside isn’t there, it is just that it will take a while for him to fully develop.

          • Tooks

            Hitch will be fired before Oshie goes anywhere.

          • Tooks

            He was never projected to be a #1D man, guys like Hedman, Doughty, OEL you can tell are #1D potential but not Cowen, you dont see it in his game, he has too many limitations. Fringe #2 or solid #3 is what is probably expected.

          • Rafi Bomb

            Did people think Chara had number 1 upside early in his career?
            Cowen is a big physical shutdown d man who can already manhandle NHL players at 23 years old. For a guy who is 6’5 and 230 lbs he has above average speed and mobility. In his final season in the WHL he scored 18 goals and 30 assists for 48 points in 58 games played and then when on put up another 14 points in 17 playoff games.

            Cowen’s injuries have simply caused a set back in his development. Certainly he is a work in progress but he still has a ton of upside. It is even more comical when I here fans claiming that Wiercioch and Claesson have more upside than him.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Chara is a freak of nature. I’m sorry, Cowen is a big boy but I get tired of hearing this ridiculous comparison. I guess all teams should just compare their big defenseman to Chara as well?

            I agree Cowen has a ton of upside, just don’t see number one potential there. I still think he will end up being a very good player within a couple years, if he can stay healthy.

          • peetypuck

            Nothing wrong if he turns out to be a #3 d-man and he gets more of a mean streak.

          • FistsofNeil25

            In a way I hope all he turns out to be is a solid number 3. If Karlsson, Ceci and Cowen all end up being number 1′s, we’d only be able to keep one or two at most lol If Karl remains a #1 and Ceci and Cowen turn out to be #2 and #3 guys, we’ll be set.

          • peetypuck

            That would be nice plus Claesson and Harpur along with Gryba and Boro.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Wiercioch?

          • peetypuck

            OOps, forgot about him.

          • jimmyjohnson

            I like the cut of your gib sir.

          • FistsofNeil25

            I agree that Cowen still has good upside but not number one potential. Not many defenseman have number one potential and I find it hard to believe that we have three of them.

            I know Cowen had a rough year but he has never shown the mobility or the IQ to be a number one guy. He has a lot of good tools but saying he has #1 upside is a reach. I don’t think I’ve ever heard someone say Cowen could be that good, other than the crazies that compare him to Chara.

        • s3nsfan75

          I really wish everyone would be a bit more open minded then 1 season. First of all, most dmen have sophomore jinxes, secondly he had major surgery. Hockey is a long term project, you need to see the bigger picture and not make decisions on a players poor season. The Murrays, Dorion and Randy Lee liked what they saw, hence the reason they drafted him 9th overall. Maybe, one day he doesn’t end up panning out, but the evaluation needs to be based on more than poor season. His first season before the injury everyone was raving about him.

          • aegiszx

            And although I defend him, I really do think that year they should have drafted Ellis, Erixon or Leddy. Both have super star potential.

            But wow, that 09 first round… OEL, Hedman, Cowen, De Haan, Ellis, Erixon, Leddy, Kulikov, Dipres…

          • FistsofNeil25

            I still think he’s going to pan out as long as he can stay healthy long enough to find some consistency. I’m not giving up on the guy, I just don’t think he has #1 d potential. I never have thought that and I’ve rarely ever heard someone say he does either.

          • Pasky

            Agree with this. At best I think he can be a #2 when paired with an elite defenseman ala Karlsson. Otherwise I think he can be a solid 2nd pairing guy.

            Remember the fact that he hasn’t had a training camp in 2 years and played injured last year while coming off a lost season from injury.

        • aegiszx

          To be fair, I dont think we play a game that really suits Cowen though. We put him in too many positions where we’ve set him up to fail.

          And for that, I blame Paulrus & BM. The past year they completely got away from the Ottawa Senators “identity”, whatever it was… supposedly a 200 ft game? Guarantee if Cowen was on a team like the Devils, Preds, or Blues, he would thrive.

          Our team had no structure, and at times looked lost out there. Hopefully they solve that this summer…

          • jimmyjohnson

            Imo Mac is easily the most responsible for this years failure. The players complained about a change in attitude and his decisions in game and with respect to the lineup were always questionable and almost never worked out. If he does more of it this year, I’m hopping on the fire Maclean bandwagon instantly.

    • Hax

      Long term is okay but I agree we need a top 4 in that Methot range right now. Preferably a bit more offensive than Meth and a rightie.

      • A-Train

        We’re looking for someone like Methot for sure, and hopefully a little better. I can live with some regression of skill on the forward line if I’m not holding my breath 8/10 times the puck is back in our end.

        • Hax

          Yeah if we can have a top four guy added in it dramatically improves the look. Someone that can help Cowen and allow Cowen to get back on track (or Wiercioch for you Wiercioch fans out there). Also pushes Phillips and Ceci to bottom pair minutes which I think helps them succeed more.

          Methot-Karlsson
          Cowen-???
          Phillips-Ceci

          • FistsofNeil25

            I would prefer to push Phillips to the #7 spot and keep both Cowen and Wiercioch in the line-up. This is a big year for both of them.

          • AutoTurris

            Send Phillips to the Big Rig permanently!

          • SENSible Voice

            Or buy him out. Ends his career in Ottawa. Eats some cap space which in our case, would be a good thing. Yes, I am kidding.

          • Hax

            If their play warrants that fine, but I really can’t see Phillips getting scratched very often. On the bottom pairing he won’t get exposed as much and I’m sure MacLean would rather have his presence on the bench/ice if he can. I’m not a Phillips hater of course, but I submit that if he’s playing on the bottom pair and not on the power play that most fans will stop hating him.

          • SENSible Voice

            I think Ceci has earned a spot on the 2nd pairing. It’s up to Cowen and Wiercioch to take it away from him.

          • Hax

            Earned? Yes I guess so but I think another year of protected minutes is going to help him more than potentially exposing him. Plus, if it’s Cowen he ends up with that’s a pretty green combo.

      • runningbear1974

        If its a top 4 we’re getting then he doesn’t have to be a rightie… Karlsson and Ceci are both righties, and top 4 material… Better to get a leftie to play with one of those guys…

        • Hax

          Meh – I’d rather Ceci get another year of protected minutes. He’ll get power play time as well if he plays like he can.

          Plus who’s on your third pair then? Gryba? And then who goes? Cowen AND Wiercioch?

          Not saying we can’t figure a way to include a lefty, but MacLean pretty clearly likes left-right combos and we’re much deeper on the left side than right.

  • Deadly

    Not too much love for Rattie , who has very similar numbers to Puemple. Does that mean that we would have no regrets trading Puemple?

    • A-Train

      For me, depends on the return. Hard to read where Murray etc are on him too. He certainly doesn’t get mentioned by Sens org types as much as Lazar, Stone, Pageau and others.

      • Deadly

        Seems that he was shifted around defensive lines,finally arriving on scoring lines in Binghamton. That type of thorough exposure to the rigours of two way hockey indicates that they have good expectations for him.

    • Shibal

      I’d say the difference is that Puempel is bigger (Puempel has 10 more pounds on him) and maybe more of a natural goal scorer. Since Puempel’s first season in the OHL, he has been putting up 30+ goals. I’m not sure how Rattie was deployed this season with his AHL team, but Puempel was playing on the checking line for half the season till Hoffman got called up, since then, he scored 21 goals in his last 44 games.

      • Pasky

        Agree, I can see Puemple playing for the Sens at some point this year as an injury call-up. Maybe not for a long run just yet but he’ll play like 10-15 games this year depending how healthy we are.

  • Max Power

    Who wants to be a doll and list off the blues top 20 or so assets in the organization in order of trade value… I think I don’t quite get it once you get past backes, oshie, petralanglou and bouwmeester

    • FistsofNeil25

      Hmmm that’s a tough thing to do. A lot of us probably value some of their players differently. Here’s my guess…

      1 – Pietrangelo
      2 – Schwartz
      3 – Backes
      4 – Tarasenko
      5 – Oshie
      6 – Bouwmeester
      7 – Steen
      8 – Shattenkirk
      9 – Allen
      10 – Jackman
      11 – Berglund
      12 – Sobotka
      13 – Polak
      14 – Jaskin
      15 – Rattie
      16 – Cole
      17 – Vanelli
      18 – Elliot

      19 – Lapierre
      20 – Leopold

      • jimmyjohnson

        Any arguments would be.half hearted about 1 spot (i.e. 4 to 5 or 7 to 6 <- just random numbers fyi)

        What's funny is that people talk about getting Berglund and a prospect like Rattie (who falls into a group, in our system, of like 6 other equal prospects) is somehow the best we can expect from St. Louis.

        Like I said before, if that's the deal, I'd keep Spezza. 1 year of Spezza is seriously better than that package.

  • Rafi Bomb

    There is a lot of speculation that the Flyers will trade away Brayden Schenn’s RFA rights to clear up some cap space. He would be a good target for the Sens. Maybe Murray will look to make a trade for him on top of whatever he acquires for trading Spezza.

    http://www.csnphilly.com/hockey-philadelphia-flyers/how-tough-flyers-cap-situation-2014-15-0

    • sprucesens

      i would love to acquire brayden’s rights. he was awesome a few years ago, and hasn’t been horrible since. That could be a good idea, if they wanted a couple of our younger D. Maybe cowen for schenn? Low ball them!! lol

      • sprucesens

        the more I think about it, the more this might be one of our best fit’s. package 2 young D like PW and Boro or something to them for brayden’s rights, so long as we sign him. Then do the spezza trade for shattenkirk + to shore up the D. Not a bad idea at all. Especially if we can add in something else to get one of st. Louis top forward prospects, so we have 2 chances at improving our forward situation. Interesting indeed

    • A-Train

      Pretty amazing out this kid keeps bouncing around (assuming this happens). Just a few years ago he was considered the top prospect outside the NHL.

  • aegiszx

    Unrelated but you have to wonder, if the Oilers get their shit together… how scary will they be? Sooner or later, they’ve got to turn into a club… It took the Laffs 9 years but somehow I think the Oilers when they finally click, will be even scarier than Boudreau’s 07-10′ Caps and 07-10′ Pens. I think they go with the core of Hall/RNH/Eberle for some time but the problem is Hall/RNH have been injured quite a bit this early into their careers right?

    What team are you guys keeping an eye on next season?

    • Zelle

      Hall has been injured and/or suspended every season of his short NHL career. RNH got injured in his first season and has had that nagging injury since. Hall already has a bad attitude and a tendency for dirtier hits. In my view both of these players are damaged goods, but we’ll see.

      • jimmyjohnson

        Of course he did!!! (RNH)

        He was a lanky 160 going head to head with NHL players for 60 games as an 18 year old. They played him on talent and ignored all other considerations, like potential for injury. They ruined their most skilled player. Hopefully he can play more than 70 games at some point in his career…

        • Zelle

          Yup pretty much what I think as well. I was super excited for Hall and RNH but the Oilers ruined them for the long term and potentially for the short term as well. They are too short sighted to think about how valuable strong player development is.

          • jimmyjohnson

            To be fair, I think Hall’s style of game was always going to lead to ruin, but yeah +1

    • FistsofNeil25

      To be honest I’m not really impressed with that group of young forwards
      Edmonton has compiled. Just a bunch of small guys that are easy to play
      against. Hall impresses me, the others not so much.

      In hindsight
      it looks like Edmonton should have gone with Seguin, and Landeskog
      instead of Hall and Nugent-Hopkins. I don’t find anything special about
      Yakupov. I know it’s early but he seems like he’s going to be a bust. I
      bet he bolts for Russia sooner or later.

      Their defense isn’t any good either, and don’t get me started on Dallas Eakins.

      • Pasky

        I’m OK with Hall over Seguin. Considering how Seguin’s career started off in Boston and he ended up getting traded who’s to say that wouldn’t happen in Edmonton, especially since the fan base is more dedicated so this get blown up bigger.

        Agree with Landeskog though, I thought they screwed that one up right away and it doesn’t look like I’m wrong there.

        Yakupov over Murray is another bad pick in my opinion, especially since it was well known that they needed help on the back end.

        • FistsofNeil25

          I would take Seguin over Hall for one simple reason – a franchise center is more valuable than a franchise winger. Both players are game breakers, but I give the edge to Seguin because of the position he plays.

          And yeah, so far I have a better feeling about Galchenyuk, Murray, Lindholm, and Reilly than I do about Yakupov. Yakupov just rubs me the wrong way.

          Imagine is they had a future 1-2 punch down the middle of Seguin and Galchenyuk with Eberle, Perron and Landeskog filling out the wings? Or instead of Yakupov or Galchenyuk, if they had a future top pairing of Murray/Reilly/Lindholm and Nurse.

          They really screwed up their rebuild.

          • Pasky

            Yup, doesn’t matter how many 1st overall picks you have if you can’t draft/scout/develop worth a shit you ain’t going nowhere. Ask Detroit if you don’t believe me lol

          • Zelle

            Yakupov has a bad attitude that won’t get fixed in Edmonton. He needs an org that can mature a player. I haven’t seen that happen with any of their star youth players.

          • peetypuck

            Just bad luck too that the years when they drafted RNH and Yakupov there wasn’t any real #1 type prospects. Last June and this year, MacKinnon and McDavid are considered bona fide franchise players. I do agree though, their scouting department is terrible, if they actually have one. Reminds me of the SchMuckler years in Ottawa.

          • jimmyjohnson

            Both Yak and RNH are legit 1st overall talents. The problem is that Galchenyuk was better and they handled RNH like the bushleague organization they are.

            Kevin Lowe and his “no one has as many Cup as me” talk just looks like a dummy.

      • jimmyjohnson

        I think it looks more like Landeskog and Galchenyuk (hated the Yak pick for them! The talent differential was minimal and one fit a need, while the other fit a surplus). At the time, I was all over the RNH pick, but I thought he would be given a slower route to the league based on size. They have handled him worse than any team has ever handled a prospect. Landeskog was unruinable!!

  • Phoenix

    If Murray gets a quality dman in a trade for spezza, I suspect he will flip on of out current dmen for a quality forward. Sorry but not a fan of shattenkirk. I also think that Greening will be moved.

    • jimmyjohnson

      I seriously doubt Greening gets moved.

      • FistsofNeil25

        That’s seriously unfortunate,

        • jimmyjohnson

          not this year anyways ;)

  • Rafi Bomb

    For those that are interested, here are the exit interviews of Ryan Dzingel and Max McCormick from the development camp last year. http://video.senators.nhl.com/videocenter/console?id=262867&catid=1304

    We have now officially signed both to entry level contracts and both should be looking to make an impact in training camp, work their way up the depth chart and likely have strong seasons in Binghamton.

  • jtf927

    i would take berglund and shattenkirk for spezza and cowen.

  • Tony

    Would love to have shattenkirk and oshie :)

    • Phil.

      May I suggest you become a Blues fan then…

  • Sandy

    Here is a write up from the Hockey News on Berglund.

    Scouting Report
    Assets: Has a huge frame, outstanding offensive instincts and game-changing ability. Is a wizard with the puck. His wrister is top-notch. Also owns plenty of two-way upside.
    Flaws: Doesn’t use his big frame enough to win puck battles or finish checks consistently. Could stand to shoot the puck a little more. Needs to be better from game to game.
    Career Potential: Slick, talented center with upside.
    ————————————-
    That being said.. IF the return for Spezza is not what Murray wants does anyone see a chance they keep him until the deadline?
    Like him or not, Spezza is a #1 centre with excellent offensive skills.. when paired with the really good wingers which St Louis has.. He should return at least a 2nd line forward..
    St Louis can keep their 1st round pick in 2014.. I would prefer Schwartz & a prospect..

    • Pasky

      No chance. The return would be worse not better at the deadline since out of say 10 teams interested now, there may be only 5 that have cap space by then, and only 3 of those in the playoff picture, and maybe only 1 that are on Spezza’s list.

      Not to mention you run the risk of him being injured, which isn’t a stretch to imagine in the first place. If it’s a season ending injury, you know that he won’t resign here so all we would get is like a 5th round pick for his rights.

      • FistsofNeil25

        Exactly. The risk of him getting injured is too high. We have to trade him this offseason. Not to mention it might cause problems on the team knowing that he requested a trade. How do you bring him back after that? Couldn’t let him remain the captain that’s for sure.

    • FistsofNeil25

      I honestly think we’d have a better chance of getting Oshie than Schwartz. Schwartz has ridiculous potential. I really think he’s their most untouchable forward.

    • Jakester

      I like Berglund, he would attain much better numbers playing with the Sens.

  • Pasky

    I know some people keep mentioning that they would prefer a 2015 1st round pick over 2014 because it’s a deeper draft class. Thing to remember is that the Sens right now only have 4 total draft picks this year in rounds 2, 3, 4 and 7. Their 1st round was traded to Anaheim for Ryan, the 5th round is in Edmonton for Hemsky and the 6th round is in Minnesota for Kassian.

    So although 2015 might be deeper, Murray typically likes to have enough draft picks to make sure the cupboards don’t go bare, especially if you couple that with the fact that our rebuild draft picks are almost coming to age so it’s time to start replacing them before they graduate or get traded or move to Europe/KHL.

    • sprucesens

      our 3rd is in Edmonton also, for hemsky. 2,4,7

      • Phoenix

        The 3rd is a 2015 pick.

    • jimmyjohnson

      Lazar, Puempel, Dzingel, Prince, Grant, Da Costa, McCormick, Schneider, Dunn, Robinson pushing Stone, Hoffman, Pageau, Condra, Greening for 6 spots (one current opening in the top12)

      Claesson, Wideman, Wikstrand, Sdao, Rutkowski pushing Cowen, Wiercioch, Gryba, Ceci, Boro for 4 spots

      Driedger, Hogberg, Hammond, Brassard pushing Anderson, Lehner for 2 spots.

      We have tons of depth.

      This same thing happened in 2010 (another marginal draft class) and our first pick was Culek in the 3rd round. Murray’s restraint that year wound up with us getting Turris.

      This draft class is exactly like the 2006 draft, so I wouldn’t be surprised to see him target a 1st or early secons, but basically anything outside of the top60 is just going through the motions. Those guys will almost definitely not play much in the league.

      I doubt oir lack of picks is much of a concern. 2015 is a different story.

      • SENSible Voice

        You make it sound like every kid we have in the minors is gold. I don’t see the depth you see to be frank. How many above average players does Ottawa have on their roster that has come out of their farm system? Spezza… Karlsson… uh… ya… that’s it. Lazar and Ceci could be special but we’ve seen many promising youngsters not make it at the NHL level so I guard my optimism closely.

        • jimmyjohnson

          First of all, Lazar and Ceci are good bets to be good NHLers for a long time.

          Karlsson and Turris are our two developed young stars (one homegrown, one homegrown assets got us) and then you’ve got good solid young players like Lehner, Zibanejad, Cowen, Stone, Wiercioch who are all players still in their boom-bust-or-inbetween stage, but each with legit top end potential (even if not one of them is all that likely to match that potential.

          And then you have another group of prospects that all project to be top 9 and top5 talent. This group includes the likes of
          Da Costa, who has proven to some degree that he can play in the league, and also happens to be one of the most naturally skilled players in the entire system.
          Prince, who will show exactly why he was a ridiculous steal at pick 61 (i still can’t believe he feel that far)
          Dzingel, who has surpassed all expectations and was in the running for the hobey baker for two straight seasons before he was even a senior!
          Puempel, who has the goal scoring touch most players will never understand or possess and seems intent on working to become an impact player
          Dunn, who is basically Brad Marchand (and Marchand is amazing)
          Wikstrand, who could develop into Lidstrom-lite
          Claesson who is solid as a rock and can actually handle the puck

          And then a group of everyday talent like Pageau, Hoffman, Boro, along with proven high level pros like Ryan, MacA, Methot…

          There’s a lot to be hopeful about with this teams system. If you seriously can’t see the difference between this and what it was like after the lockout, then you either weren’t around back then or are seriously underestimating this current crop of prospects.

      • jimmyjohnson

        I look at this post of mine….and I think of the times when Ilya Zubov and Alex Nikulin were our best prospects….and I smile, quietly, to myself…..

        and then I remember that Spezza asked for a trade and Hemsky is going to walk and I get a little less peaceful and a little more angry!

        I have no choice but to believe the hockey Gods hate this team.

  • Sandy
    • runningbear1974

      Thanks for this… I like Lazar just a little bit more now… We’re lucky to have him..

  • WaitingSince92

    I think we NEED to get one high end piece for Spezza. We already have plenty of 3rd pairing/bottom six guys. We need just one asset with a high ceiling.

    • FistsofNeil25

      I agree. Which team is most likely to part with a high end player or high end prospect? Don’t think it will be St Louis.

      • peetypuck

        Only the New York Islanders would do that.

        • WaitingSince92

          Thought about that – trade with Snow to maximize return – but I’d assume they’re on Spezza’s no-go list.

  • esk

    trimel up 23%! we rich

    • FistsofNeil25

      Just something else to give us false hope that Melnyk will spend more on payroll.

  • Sandy

    We are all upset with the ‘budget’.. but I guess it could be worse if you are the Rangers.

    Saw this on another site:

    “The Rangers have 13 players under contract for a total cap hit of nearly $54 million. If the cap goes up to $70 million, they’ll have only $16 million to re-sign or replace Mats Zuccarello, Chris Kreider, Derick Brassard, Brian Boyle, Benoit Pouliot, Dominic Moore and Anton Stralman. They also have one compliance buyout remaining. Richards has six more years at a cap hit of $6.66 million left on his contract. Something’s gotta give. Another option could be buying out Rick Nash, who hasn’t played up to expectations as a power forward.”

    Brassard, Zuccarello & Kreider are all RFAs. What teams would try an offer sheet.. would put the Rangers in a world of hurt.. Which of those 3 would you like to see on the Sens?

    • Phil.

      Kreider is the RFA I would target.
      Brassard has played well this year and some of last well but he is no longer the Brassard he was projected to be. Hasn’t been the same since his first major shoulder injury while playing for C-bus.
      I like Zuccarello but size is a turn off for me.

      • jimmyjohnson

        I love me some goalie running. Sign me up for some Kreider!!

    • peetypuck

      Considering the way the Rangers tried to steal Nash from Columbus it would be funny now if they gave Zuccarello or Kreider an offer sheet.

    • SENSible Voice

      Rich Nash is not buyout material. You only buy out a contract that is untradeable. Mike Richards is borderline but I still think some team would offer something for him.

      • jimmyjohnson

        Brad Richards…

    • luckan20

      I have a solid reason to believe Rangers will look to address on Spezza. Probabily, they might offer Brassard & Kreider for Spezza & Prince.

      • Doc

        Easy now……..put it…yes…yup………that’s it…put the drink down….

        There ya go.

        You’ll thank me tomorrow morning. You’re welcome.

    • runningbear1974

      I am not part of this ALL are upset about budget… I think it’s irrational to not have a budget… I remember before Melnyk, we were always a budget team… Spoiled brats is what i think…
      I don’t know the rangers players that well but I think Kreider is really good at running over goalies (even though it’s because he was tripped)

  • Simple Jack

    for people trying to run spezza out of town, hemsky will not want to sign because of this, he did say spezza would make a difference in his signing.

    also why would we want to trade anderson, he’s our best goalie. You guys really want to be out of the playoffs again??? lehner had the keys to the ottawa sens this year when anderson went out with injury and remember what happened!? 5 goals against in the first period vs a lowly carolina team and a 5 game losing stream in which our binghampton backup had to come in a save him from embarrassing himself. as far i see with lehner this season he was enjoying being a millionaire without being focussed on why exactly he is a millionaire, to stop pucks and give the team a chance to win. lehners shitting of the bed and a poor coaching decision when anderson returned from injury cost us the playoffs.

    • SensChirp

      Nobody is “running Spezza out of town”. He is open to a trade. Hemsky won’t take a discount to play here and is going to have options on the free agent market.
      A potential Anderson trade is all about deciding whether or not you want to extend him with Lehner pushing for the number one spot.

    • Zelle

      What a simple analysis.

    • s3nsfan75

      Your last statement about Lehner is just what Zelle said below, simple, there are 6 people on the ice at all times, to blame, after the abysmal season dmen had on this team, solely on this goalie is to be completely honest, short sighted without merit.

    • Sandy

      The more Lehner played when Andy was out.. the better he got.

      Lehner admitted that he had his ‘nose out of joint’ (more or less) because he expected to come in and fight for the #1 job.. which didn’t happen. He said he let that be part of his game and it should not have been…

      I expect a more motivated Lehner next season..

    • SensChirp

      I do sort of agree that Lehner was disappointing this past season. But just about any goalie would have been disappointing behind that defence.

    • runningbear1974

      I want to run Spezza out of town, and Hemsky too… Don’t want either player… If you have kids playing hockey, is that how you’re teaching them to play? Not me…
      I agree about keeping Anderson… He’s proven he can do the job… If he’s willing to accept around the same amount of salary then keep him… If he thinks he deserves a raise, then get rid of him… 3 million is fair, 4.5 million is too much…

      • sprucesens

        i don’t have a problem with either player. They both do what they are advertised to do. They also went high in the first round, and if i have a little boy that likes hockey, i would be ecstatic if playing like them got him to the nhl. Spezza got us to the cup final too. He wasn’t the only one obviously, but 3 more wins and he would have a cup to his name

        • runningbear1974

          Yeah, they would be rich, so that would be good… I’ll be teaching my kids to play a more well rounded game, that’s just more my style…
          Lots of teams make it to the cup final, once… Only a few teams can continue to get there over and over again, and then win some times…

          • sprucesens

            most teams have a 3-5 year window of legit competition for the cup. Boston, Pittsburgh, LA, Chicago, are the top 4 right now. Add in anaheim, st. louis, and a few others that feel close. While i agree that the 2 way game is what is generally needed to win a cup, great players, offensively, defensively, and 2 way are all needed, and can be used to win. Getting to the cup finals more than twice in 10 years is very rare. All teams tend to go in flows. Up and down. The only constant threat has basically been detroit.

          • runningbear1974

            Detroit and New Jersey, and now Chicago, and maybe LA…

  • Simple Jack

    comment deleted, i guess im not a good enough sens fan to post

    • SensChirp

      Oh come on.

    • A-Train

      You’ll need a thicker skin, I think. And this is one of the friendlier sites out there.

    • ProfessorPower

      you aren’t good enough

  • luckan20

    If St. Louis is not willing to part with Shattenkirk, Berglund, top pick and Rattie for Spezza and Cowen, the next best option will be Florida. We could ask for their top pick (Ekblad or Samuel), Bjugstad and Hayes for Spezza, Condrd and Prince.

    • Phil.

      Keep your thoughts on Florida for another day/blog. It’s summer, we can’t cover too much all at once. Spezza to St-Louis is day 1. Spezza to the other 28 teams to follow. Then we start over ;)

      • sprucesens

        won’t have to. draft is less than a month away!

  • bluebuyyoo

    Diving Smurf Plekanec putting on a clinic tonight. A dive with a whiplash really increased the level of difficulty on that one.

    • Sandy

      They get away with it. The refs know they do it.. but they do nothing about it.
      Start penalizing it more then maybe they will stop… These are two really experienced refs tonight who should know what a dive is..

  • Jakester

    Only if the Rangers pot another one Chirp, can you please post that Therrien No Rispeck face from the other night? Thx

  • Sandy

    Thank you Rangers..

  • WaitingSince92

    Rangers are going to get a rude awakening when they get trounced by the West in the final.

    • Sandy

      True.. Even though I want Chicago to win.. a Quick & Lundqvist battle would be good to see.

    • runningbear1974

      Unless they can injure the goalie… Great strategy…worked…

      • Sandy

        Kreider was tripped..

        • runningbear1974

          I’m sorry, it’s passive aggressive… I can’t believe how many sens fans are cheering for Rangers… I really don’t agree with the majority of the sens fans… Spezza, Melnyk, Maclean… I disagree with the majority…
          Anyway, to continue with passive aggressive… I hope Rangers are proud of winning against rookie goalie…

          • sprucesens

            not sure the point of this comment, but if the habs injured hank would you still feel the same? its up to the team to shore up their entire team going into the playoffs, because anyone can get injured.

          • runningbear1974

            hey, i admitted it was a passive aggressive comment… Like i said (sarcastically)… Hope they’re proud of themselves for winning against a rookie goalie…

          • Sandy

            I hate the Habs a lot more than I dislike the Rangers… but I actually like Lundqvist.
            How do you think the Habs won round 1? Against a goalie who was a hell of a lot worse than Tokarski… and 3 of those games went to OT.
            If Bishop would have played, the Habs might have lost in round 1..

          • runningbear1974

            That’s fine, we’ve had this conversation before… You hate the habs… I feel they are insignificant… Their fans are super annoying… Whereas, i feel the Rangers have been driving up the value of players for years now… One of the main reasons a player is worth 7 million is because the Rangers have been willing to throw that kind of money away to get all the freaking UFAs… but, like i said before, you have the right to hate whoever you want… It doesn’t bother me that you hate the habs, but it does bother me that the majority of the sens fans are cheering for the Rangers, that’s just wrong in my opinion…

          • sprucesens

            to each his own, but “we” feel the same way about cheering for the habs. while i agree on your ranger’s theory, there is a cap now,and players are now paid based on league revenues, and the cap is calculated based on these values. So while they could pay as much as possible before, this is no longer the case. None of the players there now, are the players that were there when this was going on. And any GM can offer any contract so long as it doesn’t break fairly guided rules now. If we want to offer 10 mill to vanek in the offseason, we can, but we shouldn’t. Rangers have 1 cup to show for signing all those UFA’s, so its not really the recipe to win.

          • runningbear1974

            I hope they continue to fail by continually signing all the “skilled” players… That’s the organization…
            They also have Rick Nash who refused to come to Ottawa… They also have Boyle, who punched Karlsson in the head a whole bunch of times… They have that guy that gave Alfie a concussion…
            So, go ahead and cheer for those guys if you want… I don’t like their organization, and i don’t like their players…

          • Tooks

            Well yeah, terrible luck for the Habs, with Price in net, it could have been them in the SC final. Tokarski did well considering.

            But man I called it. Lundqvist played his best game of the playoffs. Embarrass the King and you get the axe!! LOL.

          • bluebuyyoo

            Rookie goalie had nothing to do with the Habs loss. Tokarski was much better than expected and gave his team a chance to win each game.

          • runningbear1974

            i agree… He should be proud of himself… And, i’m not being sarcastic…

        • Tooks

          Yep going to the net hard, had he not been tripped he would have avoided the goalie altogether.

  • Sandy

    Maybe Alfie should have went to the Rangers?

  • Sensturion

    I see the Rangers having an outside chance to beat Chicago, but LA will destroy NY.

    • Tooks

      YA Chicago just aint the Chicago they were in their last playoffs…You can tell they are not as sharp. L.A will win the whole damn thing. gonna be an amazing series no matter what.

      I really want Lundqvist to get his Cup!

      • Sandy

        I think Chicago is just about worn out. They have played a lot of hockey over the past several seasons.

  • Deadly

    Cherry talking about the Leafs on the wrap-up.

    • Sandy

      Yah — the Marlies are in the finals for their conference.
      That’s what you get with Cherry.. Leafs Leafs and more Leafs. That’s why I rarely watch him..

      • Tooks

        Boston too but he gives love to everyone. I like his little video montages of hard working players.

  • Jordan

    Na na Na na Na na heeeyy heey GOOOD BYE!!!!

  • Daybreak Maidenhead

    Looking forward to a Patsy Gsllsnt Cup Final

  • Luke McQueen

    What’s the deal with Jaden Schwartz? We wanted to draft him initially and when we lost him, traded for Rundblad I remember correctly. Now we seems untouchable. If he really is that good, why not Spezz for Schwartz and a bag of pucks?

    • WaitingSince92

      You answered your own question as you asked it. STL wants to keep him.

      • Luke McQueen

        If StLouis really wanted Spez and we insisted on Schwartz, one would have to see that as an overpayment, no?
        I ask because on cap geek Berglund plays center. We are already pretty deep there so why make that trade?
        We need left wing and right D. I say trade for nothing else.

        • FistsofNeil25

          Berglund is a natural center but he played the left wing pretty often this past season in St Louis. He’s a good two-way player but I don’t know if he’s capable of playing a full-time top six role.

          I disagree that we don’t need a center. We have depth in terms of NHL talent at center, but most of them are very unproven. I think it would benefit the team to bring in a veteran center to help relieve some pressure from Turris and Zibanejad this year.

          If we acquire another center this season I would hope that he is versatile enough to slide over to the wing. There are a ton of teams our there who have 7 or 8 natural centers on their roster and there’s nothing wrong with that. Zibanejad and Lazar are play RW when needed and Smith can play left wing if need be.

          But yeah, we also need a left winger. We don’t have much there right now.

          • Hax

            Yeah we absolutely need a center – even a really solid 3C though could be enough. But even more than that (IMO) we need a top 4 D entering or still in his prime. (i.e. late 20s or 300+ games etc)

          • FistsofNeil25

            Definitely need a top four D. I’m afraid we may have too many “needs” Hax lol

            Top 6 Winger
            2/3C
            Top 4 D

            I wonder if Murray can fill those three big holes this summer with good enough players to help us be a competitive team next season.

          • Hax

            True. Though the Spezza trade should fill at least one of those. Maybe two if we add to Spezza. Then the third could come internally. But it might be another year before all three needs are truly filled properly.

          • Senatollah

            Does this keep the debate going on resigning SDC? Could he be a decent 3C able to do spot duty on 2C for a full NHL season?

          • Hax

            “Could” yes but I think we need someone that “will”.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Yeah we need a proven veteran player in the mix.

          • Hax

            Agreed. It doesn’t HAVE to be a center (we could add some solid supporting wingers to help Zibby/Da Costa or whatever) but a center makes the most sense to me. That’s why Berglund seems like such a good fit to me – he can play 3C, 2C (if Zibanejad struggles) or LW in the topsix if Turris, Zibanejad and DaCosta or Pageau or whoever are all fine in the middle.

          • peetypuck

            If we are looking for a #3 centre why not look at re-aquiring Chris Kelly. I’ve read that Boston might want to dump his $3 million salary. He’d be a great guy to help our young-uns. He only has two years left on his contract and we need to reach the salary cap floor. I think he still makes Ottawa his summer home. For those who would like Spezza to stay he is best friends with him.

          • Hax

            He’s not a good enough 3C to shelter Zibanejad IMO. I’m thinking we’d need a guy that could play 2C fairly well if needs be.

          • peetypuck

            Would you prefer him as a 4th line centre and Zack Smith playing on the 3rd line? Kelly and Condra would make an excellent shut-down and PK pairing. If I remember correctly, Chris is a great face-off man too.

          • Hax

            Well, I don’t think Smith is a good enough 3C either for what I have in mind. Basically I’m trying to slot in a guy that will help Turris and Zibanejad transition to 1C/2C. I think they’re a year or two away from being rock solid there without Spezza in the mix.

            Two years from now, having Kelly and Smith in the bottom six and Turris/Zibanejad in the top 6 would be fine (if Kelly’s not getting too old by then) but next season I’d really like to have a guy that can step up if either Turris or Zibanejad struggle with the elevated role.

          • Sandy

            You can always sign Kelly in UFA (if he is bought out) and trade Spezza to the Coyotes for Vermette + Samuelsson and re-unite them for the PK.
            They were the best PK pairing this team has ever had..

          • Sandy

            He just came off back surgery for a herniated disk.. Sound familiar?
            I like Chris Kellly… so does Bryan Murray. But will his back now be an issue going forward?

          • runningbear1974

            Some people have all sorts of excuses for why they don’t like to skate fast, or change directions quickly, or make quick stops… Even back in the day before the bad back, this player still didn’t stop quickly or change directions quickly… Now he’s older and has excuses to support his behaviour…

          • runningbear1974

            yes, lets trade Kelly for Phillips, I’d do that for sure…

          • spezzerman

            Spezza to Nashville for Ellis and Colin Wilson!

          • Tooks

            Sounds good!

        • Tooks

          Deep at C? How so? We dont even have a legit #1C?
          We dont even know if Zbad can handle 2C and we dont have a 3C unless its Zbad. We have a 4C in Smitty, thats about it.

          Guys coming up are not proven C’s in the NHL. Berglund is a proven young Center, would really help us out at 2C.

          • Pasky

            Agree with this. I see a Berglund trade giving us two centers that can easily slot in either 2C or 3C. Both have a two-way presence with offensive upside.

          • FistsofNeil25

            I don’t know if Berglund would be the 2C over Zibanejad. Actually it probably doesn’t matter, they’re likely to get around the same ice time and pretty much the same caliber of wingers playing on either the second or third lines. Between Berglund and Zibanejad, who has the higher offensive upside right now?

            2012/2013

            Berglund 0.52 ppg
            Zibby 0.48 ppg

            2013/2014

            Berglund 0.41 ppg
            Zibby 0.48 ppg

            It’s a toss up really…

          • Sandy

            Smith can play 3rd line centre. It’s his wingers that can’t.

          • Luke McQueen

            I honestly just feel that either Zib or Lasar will be our future 2C (the other likely on the wing). Then SDC, or Pageau are effective 3C with Smith in the 4 spot.
            I appreciate that Lasar in no where ready for the 2C role yet but why trade for something we already have? Not like anyone plans for us to take a run at the cup in the next few years. I see Berglund in the 2C spot and slowing or futures’ development. Nobody gets better playing with Condra. Unless management figures otherwise I thought Zib might be ready to give 2C a go this year.

  • SensFanInMTL

    What is great about the off season is having to read what everyone has to offer in terms of who to acquire in trades and who will fight for a job for next year’s season. The difference between what we think will be the line up and reality after the smoke clears, will catch everyone off guard. Everyone, please believe in my display pic. Please.

    Go Sens go!

    • runningbear1974

      is that Lazar and Puemple?

  • FBP

    Would you actively not go to Hooley’s because of this?

    Hooley’s Pub @hooleys613 · May 25
    Habs vs Rangers starts
    soon. Sens mile is temporarily being renamed Habs mile. Come see what all the
    fuss is about.

    • xN1Cx

      Boycott engaged

    • Hax

      That night for sure. But I wonder who’s renaming the mile? Is it just Hooley’s that are driving this or have all the bars on Elgin joined in.

      • FBP

        I haven’t seen or heard anything else about it. I don’t think it is a City initiative as is Sens Mile.

        • Tooks

          Most bars on Elgin have adopted this, its a shame some people cant see past their noses. Only Canadian team left, its about pride.

          • FBP

            I guess our actual owner adopted it too. But I haven’t noticed any other bars on Sens Mile mentioning it.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Save your only Canadian team bullshit for someone else Tookie! Do you think Montreal fans would cheer for Ottawa or Toronto. Would true Leaf fans cheer for Ottawa or Montreal? Would Edmonton fans cheer for Calgary if they were the only Canadian team remaining? No way. If you’re a diehard fan of a certain team, you can never cheer for you biggest rivals, Canadian team or not.

            Montreal would be easier to like if they focused more on hockey instead of competitive diving, and if their coach wasn’t such a dumbass bitch!

          • Tooks

            Yes they would and it was on full effect when we were in the SC final. Montreal bars had Sens flags flying, dont know about TO or the others, its also strictly marketing, its a smart business move, keep the city lively and keeps people in the bars in our dead city at this time of year (no Sens, no RedBlacks)

          • FistsofNeil25

            2007 was long before Ottawa and Montreal had developed any kind of rivalry. I agree from a business stand point there’s nothing wrong with it, but for myself I could never cheer for Toronto or Montreal if they were the only Canadian teams remaining. Hell I couldn’t even cheer for Vancouver in the finals over Boston.

          • Zelle

            After most of the Canadiens fans shit on our team last season following the 4-1 series loss, I refuse to cheer on their team. I was even on the fence this season but their constant whining and playing the victim has gotten old. Time for that organization to grow up.

          • Sandy

            I didn’t care that the Habs were the last Canadian team left, I would never cheer for them.
            I’m sure Habs fans said the same thing when the Sens went to the conference finals against NJ and also the time they went to the Cup final.

          • C.J.

            ive never understood this logic…during the regular season they are
            arguably our biggest rival now, but since its the playoffs we suddenly
            cheer for them because theyre canadian?? i dont get it lol, personally i
            want the next canadian cup winner to be the sens regardless of whether
            thats in one year or ten years

          • not YOUR wingman

            The CANADIAN team that I cheer for just won an Olympic Gold medal.

            The one and only professional hockey team that I cheer for is the Ottawa Senators

        • Hax

          Moot point now of course, but the last thing I would want would be to hang out in a bar full of Habs fans (or leaf fans).

    • I’m just sayin’

      annnnnd they’ve renamed it the BLUE JAYS mile this morning ?

      • Garrioch’s reliable source

        and the AZZURRI mile next month

  • I’m just sayin’
    • Sandy

      I agree that Melnyk should keep his mouth shut at times.. BUT he is from Ukraine and with what has gone on in his homeland I don’t blame him for speaking out on this subject.

      • runningbear1974

        I like that he speaks his mind, it shows he cares and he’s involved… The media exaggerates what he says because that’s what the media does…

    • runningbear1974

      I think everyone too hard on Eugene… He cares about stuff… He’s participating in the world… Irrational to continue to make fun of him…
      The more the majority of the fans are against him, the more I support him… The general fan base is clueless…
      The thing I don’t like about Eugene is that he cheated on his wife… But, if we’re going to judge him about that, then we might have to judge Karlsson about that too…

  • OleHeaveHoFlipperoooni

    Definitely got to chime in on this one. Probably start posting a little more!

    So here I go. Players I would like from said teams. So it’s Gryba & Spezza for:

    Anaheim: Manson, Perreault, 1st
    St. Louis: Centered around Schwartz or Shattenkirk
    Colorado: O’Reilly+!!!
    Nashville: Fisher & Josi if Carrie lets him come back
    Phoenix: Samuelsson, Stone and VERRRRRMY. Add something else back to Pho… Arz if need be
    Kings: One of Carter, Richards, or Toffoli I’m happy
    Minnesota: 2 of Haula, Brodin or Phillips Unlikely lol
    Calgary: Johnny HOOCCKKKEEYYYY! or Mr. Monahan pick Treliving! Or no Spezza for you!
    Edmonton: one of 3 come to mind. Or No Spezza for you either MacT
    Florida: One of Gudbranson, Huberdeau, Bjugstad + or 2 of em. If Dale wants
    Toronto:…. Really??? uhhhhh A healthy Lupul and 4 1st rounders?

    Detroit: Imagine? Re-signed Alfie, Traded for Spezza and signed Heatley?? Lmao that said though not out of the realm of possibility that I’ll be saying “you heard it here first and the team that gets Spezza signs Heatley

    Thats it for now

    • Hax

      I built a team in EA NHL of all ex-Sen players. You’d love it.

      • Max Power

        lets hear it!

        • OleHeaveHoFlipperoooni

          HAVLAT!!!! hey! I only had Vermy or Fish coming back. I was saying Imagine Det re-assembled the CASH line, Pizza Line or WhateverTF they called themselves

          • Senatollah

            Doubt that would happen given what allegedly occurred between Spezza and Heatly

          • OleHeaveHoFlipperoooni

            lol, be fun to see though a GM try it. With Heatley suckin balls now

        • Hax

          Haha, off the top of my head:

          Havlat-Fisher-Hossa
          Foligno-Vermette-Alfie
          Eaves-Kelly-Regin
          Klinkhammer-Konopka-Daugavins
          Winchester

          Chara-Salo
          Redden-Volchenkov
          Mezaros-Corvo
          Benoit

          Bishop
          Emery

      • OleHeaveHoFlipperoooni

        Heatley – Spezza – Alfredsson
        Hossa – Yashin – Havlat
        McEachern – Bonk – Bondra
        Arvedson Kelly Dackell

        • Hax

          Many of those guys are retired and one of them is on my blacklist.

          • OleHeaveHoFlipperoooni

            Just threw one up quick in the noggin lol

        • Sandy

          Havlat is being bought out by SJ. He will be a UFA if the Sens are interested… but I don’t think they will be.

  • AutoTurris

    Holy shit this is going to be the longest 28 days ever

  • Cicero

    We should be looking at getting picks and prospects for Spezza, and good ones. Not third line centres.

    If this is how the summer is going to unfold, then we are entering a new re-build cycle, and likely taking a step backwards.

    Losing our #1C, a career PPG player, in exchange for a 3rd line C in Berglund + a missing blueline piece still leaves a big gap down the middle.

    Turris may or may be a legit #1C. But what happens if he underperforms next season? Zibby as #2C is risky to begin with, but will he pick up the slack?

    Spezza’s departure would likely mean Hemsky and Michalek would follow him out the door.

    We are losing an entire #1 line only to pick-up nuts and bolts. Our new 1st line — 16-7-6 — has to remain healthy and strong all season long or we miss the playoffs again.

    Our new 2nd and 3rd lines? Unless you promote 14-15-25, you’re assembling 2nd and 3rd lines from ‘trial runs’ of last season, such as: 68-93-61 or the like.

    Berglund and Shattenkirk would NOT be adequate compensation for the team’s #1C, and that’s because Spezza is worth far more staying in Ottawa than on the trade market.

    This is not the time to trade Spezza. Trade Anderson + a LHD for a gritty LW to play with Spezza and Hemsky and let’s avoid this altogether (for a year).

    On the other hand, assuming this will mean a new re-build cycle, then we should be looking at getting picks and prospects for Spezza. Good ones.

    And let the young guns rise to the top over a couple of seasons of bottom-16 level hockey.

    • Hax

      I don’t think many people will accept “we are entering a new re-build cycle”.

      As for Berglund, he could help Zibanejad either by playing on his wing or centering a 2B line that helps shelter him. I think you’re selling him a bit short.

      • FistsofNeil25

        Let’s just call it another “re-tool cycle” then shall we?

        As for Berglund, he would be a good pick-up, just as long as he isn’t the best piece coming back our way. I think he would fit in nicely with the Sens long term as a top-9 forward. He’s at the right age, and he plays a responsible two way game. He’s a big left handed center/left winger which would be an asset to this team. He’s not the quickest player but that’s not the end of the world as long as we improve our team speed elsewhere.

        • Tooks

          I agree and he and Turris can bounce back and forth if Turris struggles at 1C. Berglund was tasked with being a more responsible player in his own end and was crucial to the Blues being such a hard team to play against. He would probably play the exact same role as 2C in Ottawa, with a bit more offensive wingers.

          • Cicero

            A 3C/4C in St. Louis is a 2C in Ottawa that can fill-in as a 1C if required.

            Expos.

          • FistsofNeil25

            If Turris struggles as 1C then I don’t expect Berglund or Zibanejad to do any better bud. Berglund isn’t going to get the chance to play with better wingers in Ottawa than he did with St Louis. Hoffman and Stone aren’t an upgrade over Schwartz and Tarasenko lol

          • Jakester

            TUrris, why are you worried about TUrris. He was plus 22 not minus 26. A responsible complete player.

          • Tooks

            Well if thats the case, then Murray better push hard for Shatty. You wont get a much better 2C anywhere else for Spezza.

      • Cicero

        It is what it is. We’re discussing losing our #1C and #1 goalie in one summer.

        • Jakester

          Our 2C u mean.

        • runningbear1974

          Trading Anderson doesn’t make sense… We should sign him for 4 years… We need stabilizing factors on our team… Anderson and Lehner could provide that…

          • Hax

            Do you think our budget can handle tying up $7M per year or so in goal? Plus can MacLean handle two stud goalies that want to play every night but can’t?

            Not saying it wouldn’t be awesome to have both, I’m just not sure it’s realistic.

      • runningbear1974

        he’s a big body that doesn’t use it…
        We’re not in a re-build, we’re in a build stage…

        • Jakester

          He uses his body, he doesn’t play soft. He works his ass off, have always liked what I saw watching him.

    • spezzerman

      how do you know you are getting “good ones?”

      • Cicero

        I never said it wasn’t a fair return. Berglund and Shat would be excellent returns. I’m just saying he’s worth more staying in Ottawa. I’m also happy with good picks over ‘bonafide’ but un-needed players if we’re re-building.

        • Tooks

          Berglund OR Shatty, you aint getting both unless Ottawa adds. And although I would prefer Shatty as he feels a huge weakness, Berglund would be just as valuable to our team. Solidifying our weak C depth.

          • runningbear1974

            We have tons of centers… Berglund would be taking away a spot from one of our guys… We have Karlsson and Ceci as righties, don’t need Shatty…
            We need good wingers… Strong scoring wingers… and Maybe a superstar to play with Karlsson, but really Karlsson can manage by himself…

          • Jakester

            Berglund can play left wing too! That’s where I would play him, 2nd line LW.

          • runningbear1974

            I have my doubts about his value… a big body that doesn’t like to hit.. no thank you…

          • Sandy

            We have plenty of UNPROVEN centres. Turris, Zibby & Smith — the Sens know what they have. The guys coming from Binghamton — they don’t know over the long course what they have. They have only seen glimpses..

          • runningbear1974

            right… 3 out of 4 have experience… that’s not bad… The only way you can prove yourself is to be given an opportunity…

          • jimmyjohnson

            Berglund and Shattenkirk are exceedingly differently weighted assets. I am always shocked at fans like this who think that they can determine a player’s value based on 2nd hand reports and innuendo.

            Tell me, tooks: how many Blues games do you watch each year to have such a well rounded opinion on their players?

    • FistsofNeil25

      When I read a comment like this I wonder if people have already forgotten the part of this story where Spezza wants out.

      I think we’re taking a small step back next year anyway, but depending on the return for Spezza I think we could be taking a few leaps forward within a couple years. Next year will be a developmental year for our team. My expectations are extremely low.

      • Cicero

        Without evidence or hearing it from Spezza himself, Spezza wanting out is speculative hearsay.

        • EK65

          He’s never going to say he wants out and handcuff the team like Heatley did. You have to read between the lines. If every reporter is saying it, and you listen to his post-season interviews, you can tell.

          • Cicero

            I know. I was replying: I haven’t forgotten the situation — I just think it’s a leap to go from speculation and hearsay to inevitability.

        • Sandy

          Exactly. It’s only guesstimated by media based on interviews and body language..
          Once Spezza got Hemsky on his wing and improved play of Michalek we got a glimpse of how good Spezza can really be when playing with top 6 wingers.. not bottom 6 guys.

      • Jakester

        I agree. Spezza wants out and he doesn’t give a lick about back checking, let’s give him the Keys to the franchise. His play has regressed. Don’t get it how people think we can compete that way. MaCLean wants him gone, he knows what team he has and wants. Back to exciting fast paced two-way hockey! Karlsson will be 100 percent, so let’s Go Sens!

    • Tooks

      You forget that Spezza did all of that in his prime….He no longer is in his prime and is declining and is severely affected by injuries, only has 1 year left on a big deal and will want another big contract. Put all of those together and you get a mid level roster player, a pick and a prospect for Spezza, nothing more, nothing less.

      • jimmyjohnson

        How is this idea prevalent in the fanbase? How can anyone that watched him play for the last decade actually believe he is regressing? Spezza looks like he is entering his true playing prime and people are just ready to watch him play for anyone else because apparently he doesn’t backcheck (which is patently false) and he has somehow lost his ability to be an impact player. You all are delusional. You’re in for a wakeup call next season and beyond when he’s top-10 in ppg playing somewhere else.

        • runningbear1974

          I agree he will have a kick ass year next year… But not for us… That’s why we should get something good for him… I have a sick feeling that he wants to play for Toronto so he can play against us and hurt us… I think he’s a passive aggressive guy, that’ why he’s resisted change or playing defense, or shooting the puck… He does what he wants, and I think what he wants now is to prove us wrong about him, and hurt us… That’s my thoughts about it… Too bad he wasn’t determined to be one of the stronger two way players on our team, then we could really of had something…

          • jimmyjohnson

            He was one of the stromger two-way playerson this team! Did you ever just watch what his linemates were doing and what the defense was doing while he racked up those minuses? They were consistently in dumb, exploitable positions. When 3 or 4 guys are out of position with you on the ice, it’s kind of tough to look good defensively.

            The biggest failing of this organization recently (maybe even moreso than the Alfie debacle) was consistently attaching Michalek to Spezza’s hip. They never once showed any discernible chemistry and their playing styles do not match well together. Michalek was always better playing in a secondary offense role and Spezza could never use his creativity with him. It was a terrible match, and this season, you saw countless moments where you would have a left side of the ice covered by Michalek and Phillips……..oooof! It led to more zone time and chances against than anything I have ever seen. We missed the playoffs because the org, seemingly from top to bottom, missed that connection. Interestingly
            Michalek never played better than the few games he was on the right side.

            This stuff really aggravates me, as a fan. These are pros. They should catch this stuff.

    • runningbear1974

      I’m curious to see if we do better without our first line… I think we automatically become a better team…
      Berglund is a big body that doesn’t like to use his body… So no thank you…
      Shattenkirk is a righty and we have Karlsson, and Ceci in our top 4 as righties, so don’t need him either…

      • A-Train

        Ceci’s still so young. Couldn’t he play on the third pairing and put Shatts with Cowen?

        • runningbear1974

          yes he could absolutely… Its just that Ceci will be ready for that spot soon, so don’t want to give it to some other long term player… If we sign Shatter for long term, than Ceci won’t be able to move up…

    • Sandy

      Well some guy (a commenter only) on another site is insisting the Sens are going after Stastny. Says he knows for sure.
      I don’t doubt they try — but the chances of Stastny signing to play in Ottawa is about 0.0000009%

      • FistsofNeil25

        Stastny would be an excellent pick up. Like you I doubt it happens but only time will tell.

      • runningbear1974

        We’ll be near the floor this year… So it would make sense to overpay a UFA for a year or 2… We could offer Stastny 10 million a year for 2 years… That’s an advantage of being near the floor…
        Then use Spezza to get a bunch of really good picks or prospects… I would be happy with 2 1st round picks…

        • AutoTurris

          Damn you all, I just get over my deluded Oshie-Spezza thoughts and now you hit me with this!? Logistically, the only thing that would hold Stastny back from that gross overpay is the unreal year that Colorado had… Either way I’m all for snatching him up, he’s arguably the best FA pick-up would could get in our current position.

      • Hax

        I doubt he signs here but we’d be silly not to at least send him an offer and/or try to get him to Ottawa this summer to try and sell him on the team/city. Akin to buying a lotto ticket maybe but why not? Stastny might think he could come here and be 1C and a leader and that might interest him.

      • runningbear1974

        sorry sarcasm coming… Stastny probably knows how horrible of a person Melnyk is and how cheap he is, and probably won’t want anything to do with us because of his horrible-ness…

  • OleHeaveHoFlipperoooni

    Should be telling the Gryba camp it’s a 2 way contract or buh bye! He’s a better suited player in the west anyway. Dozens of Grybas out there. Would have been better off with Boro. Gryba took the STUPIDIST penalties!! a few of which cost us games

    • Kohlmanator

      He’s the only D-man the didn’t hurt the team on the ice; penalties aside… He was a plus 9, no other D-man was a plus. Our D was terrible, so why would you want to run our most reliable (term used loosely) D-man out of town?

      • Senatollah

        ouch, a plus 9. Why not make him partner with Karlsson as a top 2 NHL dman?
        Watched almost every game, and he hurts the team. Takes dumb penalties, doesn’t routinely finish checks down low, more likely to dump puck out of zone to neutral zone where opponent is, etc.
        At times he played good, but over a full year he was at times scary to watch. Could be who he was partnered with at times, but overall to say he was most reliable is…

        • runningbear1974

          he was solid… he’s not a superstar… He needs a veteran type presence to help him out… He does finish his checks… I think everyone took dumb penalties at some point… This year is kind of a write off, can’t judge him by this last year… Too many un-stabilizing players on the team…

          • A-Train

            The problem isn’t Gryba so much as our top two pairings.

            Let’s say we get a bounce-back season from Cowen (a big ‘if’, but not totally unrealistic) and we acquire another top-4 type.

            Methot – Karlsson
            Cowen – Shattenkirk
            Philips – Ceci
            Borowiecki

            I think Gryba and Weircoch, respectively, walking and trade bait.

          • Zelle

            Huge point in your post every fan should be taking into consideration: “This year is kind of a write off, can’t judge him by this last year…” Where him could stand for almost any player on the team.

          • runningbear1974

            almost any player, except for the leadership group… The leadership group are the ones that are responsible for the shit year… The leaders are supposed to provide some stability… They didn’t…

        • OleHeaveHoFlipperoooni

          Watches players walk around him, Goes to hit players when there’s a loose puck in front of the net.. ugghhh

          • Kohlmanator

            I can’t tell if you’re talking about Cowen, Phillips, Methot or Gryba… They all made mistakes. But it was Gryba’s first full NHL season, anything short of a Norris is unacceptable.

          • Jakester

            He also gets the puck cuz he knocks guys off the puck. And PK wise he’s our best defender. We would get scored on when Karl and Cowen would jump over the boards for the second half of the PK.

        • sprucesens

          was there another player on the team that finished checks more than gryba? Cowen might have more “hits” but they were more like gentle shoves while the player skated past. Though I feel gryba should be bottom pairing, I like what he brings to the team. However, I also feel he could be replaced by boro, or claesson. While boro is a lateral move, I feel claesson may be an upgrade. So the future for him, depends on trades made.

          • runningbear1974

            I agree about the Cowen “hits” were more gentle shoves… He maybe hit like 5 times last year after he got hit, or after getting angry…

          • Jakester

            Love what Gryba brings cuz he tries to pulverize guys once and awhile. Nobody else on that D really does that.

          • runningbear1974

            Methot now and then has some great hits…

          • Deadly

            Gryba seems to have a preconceived reputation and in my opinion gets a lot of cheap calls that other players don’t attract..A stick check becomes slashing. I think he needs to take off his beard to look less imposing.

          • Hax

            Agree except I hope he just plays his way out of it. Like EK is doing with his “diver” rep. Everyone knows I’d love to have a right side of Karlsson, Shattenkirk and Ceci but I don’t mind Gryba on our team. I like that style of D providing that we don’t ask him to be a PMD or play too many minutes etc.

          • runningbear1974

            I prefer we take penalties for hitting too hard rather than for diving or whining…
            I agree, if the player has the right character, let him play through it and figure it out…
            I noticed Toews was whining a lot last year in the playoffs, but stopped for the last round, and hasn’t been whining this year…
            So, it is possible for players to grow…

    • Jakester

      No Rispeck, BORO takes tons of stupid penalties in the AHL. He isn’t better than Gryba. Giving Boro a one-way was premature and a mistake.

      • jimmyjohnson

        I don’t think they intended to re-sign Phillips when they signed him to that contract. And we KNOW they didn’t expect Methot, Cowen, and arguably Wiercioch to regress this year… they probably had to sign him to it, just to get the additional 2 way year…

  • Don Ciccio

    Everyone forgets about the lineup that brought us to the playoff two years ago. Now that these players are two years older, they can’t handle it. I think we would be ok with Turris, Zibanejad, Pageau and Smith down the middle because all of these guys go top speed all the time. We just have to surround these guys with talented players.
    Say we get Josi from Nashville for Spezza and Stewart from Buf like is being rumoured for say HoffmanPrince and Wiercioch
    MacArthur – Turris – Stewart
    Ryan – Zibanejad – Stone
    Smith – Pageau – Lazar
    Greening – Grant – NeilCondra
    Josi – Karlsson
    Methot – Ceci
    Cowen – PhillipsGryba

    • Tooks

      You forget quickly that the GOALIES were the ONLY reason we even made the playoffs. They were playing out of this world.

      • FistsofNeil25

        And that team was led by Alfie and played with heart and determination every night despite lacking talent. Next years team is going to be led by borderline NHLer Chris Phillips.

        • runningbear1974

          Phillips is not a leader… He’s old, so he kinda looks like one, but shucks, he doesn’t understanding winning… He’s made a career of staying in the background…

        • Tooks

          Ugh…

        • spezzerman

          it will be led where it counts by Karlsson. As much a game changer as there is in the NHL. Just because they didnt live up to a unrealistic expectations this season doesnt mean they are years away from being a playoff team. Heck, all we have to do is learn to take fewer penalties and that alone will add more points even if nothing changes next year.

        • Sandy

          If Spezza is traded my bet is no one is named Captain. They will go just with the “A”s. Question is, who gets the other A?

      • runningbear1974

        Actually the goalies played well because the team played solid in front of them… Next year, our goalies will look real good again…

        • jimmyjohnson

          I don’t agree with this common assertion. The team definitely played better defensively in the lockout year but the goalies experienced a decade’s worth of puck luck to put up those numbers. It was astouding the kind of bounces Anderson in particular was getting. This regression was pretty brutally obvious if you went by what was happenng on the ice. I really think anything greater than .915 for Anderson is complete luck. He’s a starter, but not much of one..

          I really think Sens fans need to prepare to cheer a losing team next year and stand by the youngsters.

          • runningbear1974

            We’ll see next year won’t we… Look at the defensive teams, all their goalies look good… Maybe lots of puck luck, or, we were playing a consistent style that the goalie could depend on… Either luck or strategy, one of the two…
            I think just removing de-stabilizing players from the roster makes us a better team…

          • jimmyjohnson

            yeah, I mean, obviously the roster is far from set, but I’m not feeling confident in what I see developing…
            I agree that removing destabilizing players will help with consistency, but it’s not like we’re removing all of them… we’ll still have Cowen, Phillips, Neil, Greening, and possibly Gryba. That’s half a d-core and 25% of a roster.
            As for puck luck, I really don’t watch Hank, Quick, Tuuka, Price, Varly, Crawdaddy, etc. and think “wow that guy is so lucky!!” I look at them and all I see is crazy skill (and The Force, mainly when watching Quick). I watch Andy and it’s evident that hr can play the position, but he so often needs the bounces to work in his favour. Imo it’s more highly luck based than you can have in a Contending starter

        • Andrews theory

          Ya not so much.

          The team was a better possession team but they allowed a ridiculous amount of shots on net.

          PMAC’s reluctance to block shots is somewhat of a head scratcher when you aren’t getting elite level goal tending.

          Look at the teams remaining and how many shots they block on a given night.

          • Don Ciccio

            Ask M. Brodeur what he thinks about shot blocking. Volchenkov had to change the way he plays because Brodeur does not want his defenseman shot blocking.

          • Zelle

            Brodeur would be considered elite goal tending though. I’m on the fence about shot blocking. It certainly helps, but it can hurt your players, so that’s a big draw back. I like the idea of just keeping the shots to the outside and trusting your goal tender to make the saves he can see.

          • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

            As someone that’s played keeper in both soccer and hockey…. Let your goalie have a clear line on the shot… Blocking shots just messes with the mojo and focus of the goalie

        • Jakester

          Exactly, to me the problem was the forwards. Not enough support from them in the D zone, and GSN line getting too much time!

      • Don Ciccio

        Actually the goalies did play better two years ago but, so did the whole team. They played a way better defensive game in their own zone and didn’t give up the same opportunities that they gave up this year. They were not giving up over 50 shots a game like they did on at least 10 occasions this year.

        • Zelle

          In his interview Lehner was saying how last season he could see all of the pucks. This season they just couldn’t. I think that is the difference and why the goalies were so good. They both have talent. If they see the pucks they will stop them. Sens defense was very good at keeping the shots on the outside. Last season, not so much.

        • SENSible Voice

          Seems that way but the stats say otherwise. Ottawa averaged over 31 shots a game 2 yrs ago. This year they averaged just over 34 SA. A mere difference of 3 shots a game. So I wouldn’t say they played a way better defensive game 2 yrs ago. It was essentially the same. What the stats don’t reveal however is whether more of those shots came from juicy rebounds or if it was the defense not protecting the crease area as efficiently.

          • runningbear1974

            I think it has more to do with, the sens protecting the center of the ice… 2 years ago, we controlled the center… Last year we easily gave up the center… Almost like the center didn’t like to be in the center…

    • Sandy

      I don’t want the Sens to get Stewart. I think that’s a trade they will regret.

      • runningbear1974

        I agree, we need consistent dependable players… Not guys who show up somewhat randomly… Better to get a lesser player that is more dependable…

      • Don Ciccio

        I’m on the fence with Stewart…..The talent is there and I really think that Turris and MacArthur’s work ethic could really bring out the best in him. The guy could easily score 30 goals a year.

        • Phil.

          He could. But he doesn’t.
          Floaters are floaters.

        • runningbear1974

          Its better to get players that can motivate themselves…Better that every player is a leader type…

          • Don Ciccio

            You will never get that

        • runningbear1974

          It’s funny, I think Spezza could easily score 50 goals a year if he wanted to… But he prefers to pass the puck, so he only scores around 30…

      • Turbo_Prop

        I think picking up Stewart is a good gamble- he’s a UFA at the end of the season and could add some scoring, which will be needed without Spezza and Hemsky (presumably).

        The idea would be to buy low and hope that his “low work ethic” and “inconsistent” labels are not deserved. That said, we shouldn’t be giving up much for him. We got Hemsky at the deadline for a 3rd and a 5th, I think Prince or SDC for a year of Stewart is a fair trade.

        • runningbear1974

          It’s possible that Prince or SDC for Stewart is a fair trade… But, it’s also possible that Prince or SDC are better players than Stewart… Personally I think it’s important to have depth with our prospects… SDC has to join the team or leave, whereas Prince might have another year left to develop…
          Again, it’s possible his labels are not deserved, but also possible that it is deserved, but the one thing people seem to agree on is his consistency… You don’t always get to see the real Stewart..

        • EHMatt

          He’s a terrible possession player. He actually makes his line-mates worse. Sure he plays well a couple games here and there, but he’s not at all consistent. If he’s that bad on a good team, what makes you think he’ll be better on a team that isn’t as good?

          • Don Ciccio

            Honest question, what is B. Ryan’s possession stats?

          • EHMatt

            Ryan’s is an average possession player with elite finishing ability whereas Chris Stewart is terrible and has an ok finishing ability. This graph should help. http://i.imgur.com/UgLTBPQ.png

          • Don Ciccio

            thanks…..ugly stats for Stewart

    • Andrews theory

      if thats the asking price for Stewart, I’d pass…
      were giving up a top 6 forward a future top 4 defenseman and a potential top 6 for a guy that has one year left with significant questions marks about the consistency of his effort level.
      we lose that trade…
      I’d consider Prince and one other peice. thats about it…

  • Mitchell

    new FDA approval, new tv deal, new partnership with the CTC. and eugene melynk is still pennyless?

    Spezza is worth a big name player back. i’m fine with whatever comes back, but weither your a supporting fan, casual listener or sweat and bleed hockey like us. We come for the show, and the better we perform and the better players we have the more money people would be willing to spend to see, thats pretty logical is it not?

    • runningbear1974

      Depends what one means by “better”… Is Hemsky “Better” than Macarthur? If yes, then “Better” is not necessarily “Better”… Hemsky is flashy, regular season… Macarthur is hard work, playoff hockey… Which is better?

      • Andrews theory

        Hemsky AND Macarthur is better lol
        they are very comparable players but I think Hemsky has more upside in terms of being a game breaker. would love to have both of these guys in the top 6 though
        huge fan!

        • runningbear1974

          I’m not… Flashy… A playmaker that doesn’t like to shoot the puck… When push comes to shove, he’ll disappear…
          Whereas, when push comes to shove, Macarthur will step up and go nuts… Only my opinion… I think Hemsky hurts us long term… Also, I think Macarthur is awesome at 3.5 million a year… Great deal… At 5 million, too much, over payment… Just my opinion…

          • sprucesens

            then where the heck do you spend your money? you don’t want the flashy players that command the big dollars, and the hard working guys that also do a great job, you still don’t want to even pay 5 mill. Good luck meeting the floor! As hard as it is to believe, the 5 mill players today, are the guys that only a few years ago, were the 3 mill guys. Don’t forget that.

          • runningbear1974

            I know… I haven’t adapted yet… Slowly but surely, i’ll get there… From today’s talk I would bid real high on Stastny…

          • sprucesens

            probably gonna take over 7 to get stastny. and while 8 seems high, I don’t doubt it happens. Man, I should have stuck with hockey… even if I ever made the ahl, and played like 1 game a year, I’d be laughing! lol. dream on…

          • runningbear1974

            I’d offer 2 years at 8million a year… Keep the rest of the team near the floor… Then we can keep or trade him depending how he fits with the rest of the team…

          • sprucesens

            he would probably sign. unfortunately, murray won’t be allowed to offer that. But he’d likely get a longer contract somewhere else, with close to the same money. But sadly, that’s the ballpark of what would be needed.

          • runningbear1974

            My thinking is if we overpay a UFA make it for a short duration… Murray has to spend to the floor… He might have to do that…

          • Aaron 2.0

            He’s got to play to his strengths. Hemsky just doesn’t have a great shot, hence why he doesn’t shoot all that much. But, nothing wrong with a play-maker. It takes all kinds to ice a good team.

      • Jakester

        Hemsky was the reason Edmonton almost won the CUP, he was pretty clutch in the PLAYOFFS!

  • Andrews theory

    Stewart feeds on lesser opponents.
    St Louis blogger did a write up on him before he was traded and he’s typically not putting up points against solid competition then he’ll get 3-4 points against Florida

    • runningbear1974

      That’s right, Stewart scored a few goals on us..

      • Andrews theory

        easy now… lol

        • runningbear1974

          That was last year… Not the previous year where we had a real team..

        • Zelle

          It’s true, I wonder if there is a statistics about how many ‘first goals of the season’ were scored on the Senators last year. It seemed to happen every other game…

    • jimmyjohnson

      I used to complain about that with Spezza, but these days, I’m not sure if it’s so bad… we could use a few guys who put up points against Florida…and Buffalo, and Edmonton, and Calgary… we lost way too many easy games last year.

  • Hax

    Haven’t seen many people mention Derek Roy as a possible UFA target to help offset the Spezza trade. I know he’s had two pretty off years but does anyone think that if the Spezza return isn’t a center that Murray might target Roy? Isn’t he a “local”? I thought Murray had been rumored to be interested in him before.

    • Andrews theory

      i think he had a really dissapointing season this past year. that ship may have sailed…

    • runningbear1974

      Does Roy like to hit people? He doesn’t look like a playoff type… I doubt we go for him… I doubt if we did go for him that he would improve our team… I wouldn’t bother with him…

      • Hax

        Not advocating it really – I’d rather a bigger guy for sure. But just thought I remembered that Murray likes him for some reason.

        • sprucesens

          I see it more as a strike out option. But I think he’d sooner, and he SHOULD sooner give the spot to da costa, who has worked for it, and in the short time he had, shown success. Biggest problem is meeting the cap floor, so the trade for spezza needs to have a decent top dollar D or winger coming back.

    • Jakester

      Roy is finished.

  • Andrews theory

    Any interest remaining on trading for Gagner?
    he could slot in the 2C Role giving Zibanejad another year of sheltered minutes.
    Ideally bring him in for one of our D and another peice. Then move Spezza for a top 4 plus other components?

    • AutoTurris

      I’d be down for Gagner if we could get away without losing too many valuables… They want some D, maybe Weircioch and Boro? Getting Gagner could persuade Hemmer to stay too… Or it could drive him away

      • runningbear1974

        I really wish we would stop trying to trade Wiercioch… He’s Turris’ buddy, they workout hard together… He’s doing all the right things… He’s got the right personality… He’s a keeper… Give them Phillips or something like that… Maybe Cowen… The problem with Cowen is he thinks he’s better than what he is, he’s delusional…

        • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

          Add to the fact that playing sporadically at best last year he was regularly one of our better D when he did get the shot

          • runningbear1974

            He has the right attitude to continue to improve… It would be a huge mistake to trade him…

          • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

            Agreed 100%

            Ive never understood why fans are so quick to get rid of him

        • Zelle

          Hearing Turris talk about Wiercioch sitting in the press box he looked disappointed. I can only imagine what trading him would do. Wier is a good defenseman, I would like they keep him on skill/potential alone. Add to that his work ethic and being friends with our #1C I hope he stays.

          • runningbear1974

            To me it’s his attitude… Anyone dedicated to improving and continuing to improve is a keeper… Everyone that feels they deserve more money should go… I personally think we have to trade Cowen, because he’s delusional… What is Cowen going to do this summer to get better for next year? He’s already really strong but doesn’t use it effectively… Maybe he’ll spend the summer practicing his skating… I don’t know… I would follow him closely and see exactly what he’s doing…

          • Sandy

            He can spend the summer training rather than rehabbing a major hip surgery.
            In Chirp’s tweets about last seasons Habs-Sens series — we saw how good Cowen can be.. He played a decent series and that game 3 was one of the best I’ve ever been at. Thanks for that Chirp.

          • runningbear1974

            Cowen plays well against small players… Because his strengths is big… But, up against bigger skilled players he’s mostly useless, because his strength is less of a factor… And then he’ll have to depend on his decision making…

          • Zelle

            But he was so bad against anyone with crazy skills, like Malkin.

          • Jakester

            Let’s not exaggerate, why was he good against the Habs cuz he got in a line brawl? About all he did that was good in that series! He’s slow and a real bumbler with the Puck!

        • Hax

          I like Wiercioch too but I think Cowen gives us more of what we need (assuming he gets his act together). Though depending on what D-man we bring in it might make more sense to keep Wiercioch.

          • runningbear1974

            Well I’m not sure about that… Cowen gives up the puck easily (without any pressure)… He’s lost… He doesn’t really hit… He’s out of position… He takes a long time to realize what’s happening…
            Cowen is big and strong and needs to get smarter..
            Wiercioch is smarter, but needs to get stronger…
            My money is on Wiercioch because he can actually do something about his weakness (and he is doing something about it)…
            Is Cowen working on his smartness?

        • sprucesens

          I think its mostly because wiercioch still has value, and taken in the 2nd round, most teams probably had him pegged somewhere in the same location, thus raising his value. He also hasn’t done anything to really hurt his value, but hasn’t done anything to up it much either. He’s the only one that could be on the outside looking in, unless he plays 3rd pairing. Karlsson, Ceci, Methot are your top 3, sadly including Phillips for top 4. This leaves PW, Gryba, Boro, Claesson, Cowen fighting for 2 spots. Of those, PW is the only one with contract/value to trade. Hence the inclusion in trades

        • Don Ciccio

          I like Wiercioch and hope that we don’t trade him but, I have a feeling that Maclean doesn’t like or trust him much.

          • runningbear1974

            I think there’s some reverse psychology going on…
            Cowen got most ice time… Then Gryba….Then Wiercioch…
            But, I think we actually value these guys in the opposite order…
            Wiercioch, then Gryba, then Cowen…

    • Pasky

      I think if Edmonton would go ahead and trade Gagner, Cowen would be the start and end of their conversation, maybe coupled with Da Costa or Grant for added depth down the middle.

      • Jakester

        You allow Zibby to play a couple of years at 3rd C , we’d be pretty dangerous. TUrris and Gagner would both be over 60 point men IMO. Imagine you sign Hemsky – make the Blues trade of Spezza, Top nine could be.

        Mac-TUrris-Ryan
        Berglund-Gagner-Hemsky
        Hoffman-Zibby-Stone

        Not too bad.

    • runningbear1974

      I don’t understand… Why would we want Gagner? He scores less than 20 a year… He’s a minus player… What is it about him that makes him desirable? Does he like to hit? Is he good under pressure or something?

    • Jakester

      I was going to say the same thing. Then In two years if you so desire you flip him. After he recovered from his broken face last fall, he was one of the better players in the second half. I think he would be a nice pick up.

  • Cicero
    • Hax

      I don’t often “up vote” but when I do …

      • jimmyjohnson


        I’ve been drinking Dos Equis.

    • Sandy

      The 8M dollar man?

    • Zelle

      The one thing I could enjoy about watching PK play golf is that the courses encourage silence.

    • Hax

      Honestly, if I were an athlete I wouldn’t go golfing the day after my team gets eliminated – even if I really wanted to. Just makes for too much discussion (assuming this is a pic from today which it probably isn’t).

      • sprucesens

        either way, it makes me happy

      • Zelle

        From the website link, the datetime indicates september 2013.

        • sprucesens

          so he was still stinging from the loss to us!

  • RandomThought

    I’m not sure if it can be made to work, but maybe we could draw Hossa+x back in exchange for Spezza!

    Help Chicago to manage their cap going forward and hopefully pick up a nice piece for taking on the risk of recapture penalties. If we aren’t going to use the cap space for salary, we can take on high-ish cap-hit contracts where the big money years are already paid off.

    • Hax

      Well I don’t think it would happen BUT Hossa is one of the few assets they have without a NTC. And does the recapture penalty go against the Hawks or the team Hossa is with when he retires? If it’s the latter then we (with all our cap room) suddenly could be a great trade option for Chicago. They’d get out from under that penalty. Though not sure the CBA rules here.

      • RandomThought

        Yeah – that’s what I had been thinking. After some digging though, it looks like they’d actually be on the hook for all those years that they derived a cap advantage. The penalty doesn’t shift to Ottawa as far as I can tell. If anything, the penalty would be worse for Chicago if they did trade him and he retired early (this is just according to the capgeek recapture penalty calculator).

  • Sandy
    • Hax

      That would be a link to “Sens TV with Clarke MacArthur” for those that like to know what they’re about to click on.

      • sprucesens

        its the internet. what possible harm could be out there?

        • Zelle

          Certainly not porn sites or trojans.

  • Dirtysweetness

    Surprised there’s hasn’t been much of a debate over who’s going to be Ottawa’s next captain.

    • Hax

      A bit soon for that I guess. Though I’m starting to think they might go with three A’s. Not a fan of that approach but giving the C to Turris or Karlsson now would be too soon I think – especially with Phillips and Neil getting skipped in the process. Though if those two supported it then why not?

      Phillips – not likely since he’s gone in a couple years and may end up 7th D before then.
      Neil – a good leader and an okay guy to wear the A but the C?
      Karlsson/Turris – too soon.

      I wonder if they’d give an A to Karlsson and Turris and have one be “road” and one be “home”?

      • Jakester

        Who cares about Phillips and Neil to be honest(as far as becoming Captain, if they end up with hurt feelings whoop dido)Neil takes so many bonehead penalties and Phillips , well he should feel like he won the lottery by getting Uncle Bryan to ante up for two more years. Should be TUrris or Karlsson, case closed.

        • Hax

          Paul MacLean.

        • A-Train

          Not saying it’s right, but I bet they do give it to Philips — secure in the knowledge that it’s a 2 season thing.

          Karlsson and/or Turris get an ‘A’.

      • Dirtysweetness

        MacArthur reminds me of Alfresdson. Pretty even keeled guy who doesn’t take a shift off. Hopefully, he’ll get some consideration.

    • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

      Should be a combination of

      Turris
      Ryan
      Karlsson
      MacArthur

    • sprucesens

      gotta trade the current one first. but its been brought up a few times. Tcharger’s list is close I think. Add in methot probably, and unfortunately, phillips

    • Sandy

      They may just go with ‘A’s

    • Zelle

      I vote for 3 As and let the natural leader in the room step up. On the ice they will be lead by the #1 line MTR and our #1 defenseman EK anyway. :)

    • Floridasensfan

      Phillips will get it, not thrilled he is even on the team so there is that.
      Neil can’t be our voice to talk to refs during a game, just a bad idea and I like Neil.
      Karlsson or Turris are my picks,

  • Zelle

    Look at the OT link. Look at that hustle back to the D zone when Turris loses the puck to two Habs players and it looks like a 3-1. That hustle by all the forwards, including Turris, makes it 4 Sens and 3 Habs in the Sens’ zone by the time the shot on Andy takes place. Last season the team missed that hustle big time.

    • Jakester

      How come I don’t see Spezz in those highlights, oh yeah he wasn’t there!

  • jimmyjohnson

    I believe this is post 613 in this thread. Coincidentally, that is the exact samr area code where Jason Spezza should play the remainder of his career.

    • Jakester

      Sniff sniff!

  • Sandy

    Is this the wrench in the plans for the return the Sens want for Spezza?

    http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Travis-Yost/The-Thornton-Problem/134/60339

    Both have similar cap hits. Spezza’s salary is lower but only for 1 year.. Thornton has 3 yrs left on his contract..
    Spezza is 4 yrs younger but more injury prone than Thornton.
    Damn you San Jose… What a way to possible screw the Sens again.

    • Millennium

      Spezza, Thornton, Kesler, E. Staal.

      Could be some competition for Murray’s deals.

      • Sandy

        Thornton & Kesler will probably be traded East. While Spezza & Staal will be traded West…

        • Zelle

          Would be sweet to get Kesler. He’s a work horse and a playoff performer. Known to be a diver but that can probably be coached away.

          • Jakester

            Diver, Habs will snatch him up!

          • Zelle

            I hope not. He’s a really good player despite the embellishments.

          • Jakester

            He’s been hurt a lot lately though

          • Zelle

            Yes that is really the only draw back with him. It’s tough though because there is really no way to know how bad it is as a fan.

      • sprucesens

        in terms of top value, i would suspect the order teams would be interested, if looking for longer term investment, would be Staal, Spezza, Kesler, Thornton. Likely to be lots of movement this year. Should be fun

    • Jakester

      This will be the craziest draft ever, lots of trades! The days leading up to the draft too

    • sprucesens

      i’m sure it has a slightly negative effect, that there is more top players available. But thorton’s age and the fact that the sharks are still contenders year in year out, makes the sharks want more parts for him, and less likely to deal him. They will say fine, we’ll just be near the top of the league again. They will ONLY trade if they get a good return, whereas we are much more likely to trade, and have our price set fairly firmly, but are probably willing to add a few more complimentary pieces, as we aren’t seen as contenders as it stands.

      • sprucesens

        note, i meant his age is actually something teams might shy away from, if they are thinking longer term, which they have to with his contract already in place. I didn’t mean it to sound like they’d ask for more because of his age

    • A-Train

      If I was San Jose, I’d been calling Florida offering Thornton for the first overall (assuming they actually want to move him).

  • Jakester
  • Jakester

    Let’s go KINGS!

    • Deadly

      Go Hawks..

      • Jakester

        Hawks are relentless! So are the Kings but man if there’s a game 7 ouch!

  • Mitchell

    Ottawa Senators

    21 Patrik Berglund – 93 Mika Zibanejad – 6 Bobby Ryan
    16 Clarke MacArthur – 7 Kyle Turris – 61 Mark Stone
    68 Mike Hoffman – 27 Curtis Lazar – 44 Jean Gabriel Pageau
    59 David Dziurzynski – 15 Zack Smith – 25 Chris Neil
    22 Erik Condra

    3 Marc Methot – 65 Erik Karlsson
    46 Patrick Wiercioch – 2 Jared Cowen
    62 Eric Gryba – 74 Mark Borowiecki
    4 Chris Phillips

    40 Robin Lehner
    41 Craig Anderson

    Binghamton Senators

    Matt Puempel – Max McCormick – Shane Prince
    Jakub Culek – Derek Grant – Cole Schneider
    Ludwig Karlsson – Wacey Hamilton – Buddy Robinson
    Garrett Thompson – Ryan Dzingel – Corey Cowick
    Darren Kramer

    5 Cody Ceci – Fredrick Claesson
    Troy Rutkowski – Patrick Mullen
    Mikael Wikstrand – Chris Wideman
    Ben Blood
    Michael Sdao

    Andrew Hammond
    Chris Driedger

    • Mitchell

      I forgot to add Dmitri Jaskins or Ty Rattie

      • sprucesens

        where did da costa go? Also, i bet we are darn near or below the floor with that team

        • Mitchell

          Da costa went khl (in my fantasy) unless he is willing to take a two-way. And your probably right but! Hoffman, Berglund, Lehner, Lazar, dz, Gryba contracts could put us at the level.

          • sprucesens

            it’d be tight, my guess is under, unless you chose to overpay gryba, hoffman and lehner, based on performance to date, and not potential.

      • jimmyjohnson

        Unless we’re getting other futures and multiple draft picks, that better be Jaskin!!

    • jimmyjohnson

      I can’t deny that that’s a pretty good lineup (given what we’ve got) but I really have a hard time believing that Condra and Greening are anywhere other than inside the top12… And Driurzynski, while certainly a better fit on that line, isn’t displacing Condra (especially considering Mac’s penchant for in game line changes).
      Also, Wikstrand is very likely going to stay in Sweden this year.

  • WaitingSince92

    Watching the hawks/kings series make me realise how far Ottawa has to go. Such amazing hockey. So much talent and so few mistakes. A real pleasure to watch.

    • aegiszx

      Yup, its crazy that this Kings team has gone to the conference finals 3 years straight now, with 1 Cup win. And the Hawks have won the Cup 2 times in the past 4 years, with yet another Conference final.

      Really think the West is just so stacked that it doesnt even matter who comes out of the East.

      • WaitingSince92

        Oh and you could just feel that goal coming. Kane is absolutely ridiculous.

        This might as well be the final. Better hockey than the next round.

      • sprucesens

        the other argument, and i’m not actually saying, but it could just be a couple top teams, where the rest are noticeably weaker. like 10 poor teams, and 4 strong teams in the west. wouldn’t be much different in the east for that same argument.

    • Zelle

      I think the Sens are a good group and will be a good team, they just need structure. The team has to buy into the system and play it on a consistent level.

  • WaitingSince92

    Random thought – why can’t we call up Grant and put him on the fourth line? He may not belong on any other line, but I thought he did all the right things when he was called up. Looked really strong (again, only as a fourth liner).

    • jimmyjohnson

      I’m sure he’ll be competing for a spot in camp with a legit chance to play some games, but it’s not particularly likely that he outplays the guys he needs to in order to stay through the year.

    • Hax

      He can play there for sure – but that means TWO of these guys end up in the top 9: Smith, Neil, Greening, Condra. That’s the scary part. That and the fact that we need to reach the cap floor so the cheap options are likely not going to happen much.

      • Jakester

        Or we get rid of them. Let’s see if Edmonton still likes Smith????

        • WaitingSince92

          Smith is the most tolerable of those three to me. Neil is past that point where he chips in little bits offensively. Love the guy, but he doesn’t play nearly as big of a role on our team as people seem to think. Then again, I’m not in the dressing room. Greening, well, we all know about him.

          • jimmyjohnson

            Greening still has 40+ point potential. If he doesn’t reach it this year, I hope he’s moved, but I haven’t completely given up on him.

            Neil just seems like he’s taking up a roster spot. It may just be how the coaches uses him, but I’d much rather a young scorer take that spot.

          • FistsofNeil25

            How does Greening have 40+ point potential? I don’t see it. Maybe if he was a complimentary piece on a line with two world class players, but doesn’t have 40+ point potential playing on our team. No way.

            Maybe if we kept Spezza and were to remain healthy for a full season. I can see 30-35, but 40? Nah.

            I agree on Neil now. I would prefer if he were the 13th forward at this point.

        • Sandy

          Smith is going nowhere..

          • Jakester

            Whatever…. The organization might want to get Grant in that spot. Funny we heard Smith’s name brandied about in trades before last year started.

      • jimmyjohnson

        We know they’ll play Pageau with Condra, so that leaves one of Greening, Grant, or Neil to play the other wing (of those players listed). And seeing how they haven’t given up on the GSN line yet, I can’t imagine why they would now…

        I’d rather see one of Da Costa or Prince on that line, though (with P&C). Grant has ok energy line potential, but substantially less scoring potential than Pageau needs to overcome being (almost inexplicably) attached to Condra’s hip. Prince and Pageau had some good chemistry at times in the AHL, and I love me some Da Costa. There’s also Puempel, Dzingel, as well as Stone and Hoffman.

        As usual, camp will be interesting to watch.

  • sprucesens

    after looking at mitchell’s lineups below a few posts, i wonder if we get a look at kramer this year? no he isn’t the talent, but i could see if neil went down, or even smith, that he gets a look in our enforcer role. maybe see what life after neil looks like. Thoughts? Am i completely out to lunch? i don’t see DDizzy as any long term player for the sens, so i think kramer might fill out that 13th F, or 4th line grinder/fighter in the future, once neil move’s on.

    • jimmyjohnson

      I hate the idea that we need a player like that. Detroit hasn’t employed one in about 2 decades. What do they have to show for it? 20(+) consecutive trips to the post season, 4 Cups, a couple President’s trophies, a bunch of division titles.

      Fighters are useless when you have a mentally strong team.

      Also, Kramer is not NHL ready. Not even close, really.

      • sprucesens

        while i agree on the points of not needing a fighter, it seems murray likes to have one. the past couple years its been kassian and neil, with smith added in. I have no idea where kramer is at, but i thought they were somewhat grooming him for that role if they needed it in the future. I’d like to roll 4 lines that are all a threat to score, and at least defensively sound if not, which fighters usually don’t excel at

        • jimmyjohnson

          Yeah, it’s one thing that frustrates me about Murray, very definitely (see what I did there :d).

          I don’t get his obsession with toughness. We need to be able to roll at least 3 scoring lines, plus a competent 4th line. Having anywhere close to as many fighters on the team as he seems to want, doesn’t strike me as a winning strategy.

          As for Kramer, he’s a project that is very much not prepared for the NHL. He’s not even a full time AHLer yet… he is a minimum of this entire upcoming season away, if not more.

          As for Neil, I appreciate his time here, but I would really like to see him sent packing.

          • Sandy

            The Sens need players who play tough but can still take a regular shift.. Like Gryba, Smith, Methot.

            The days of having players who only fight is going away.

    • Hax

      I think teams need guys who can fight but can also play a regular energy shift on the fourth line. And ideally that guy is cool sitting out a lot if we’re playing a team that doesn’t require that.

      But yeah, the one-dimensional fighters who can’t do anything else? No need for them.

  • A-Train

    The more I think about this trade….the more depressed I am. Not because we’re losing Spezza, but because the team doesn’t appear to be thinking big.

    The Ottawa Senators need more top-level skilled players. How could anyone watch CHI/LA and not think the same thing?

    I’d love to see Murray swing for the fences here and use Spezza as part of a package to reel in a star player…OR one of this year’s top three picks.

    A (low) first, a (middling) prospect, and an “established” roster player aren’t doing it for me. Not at all. Too much mushy middle in this organization right now.

    • Hax

      I don’t know about that. I think when you look at Turris, Ryan and Karlsson you can picture them having impact similar to Toews, Kane and Keith. Not saying they’re equal of course (Toews might be better than Crosby), just that they could be similar players for us.

      I do agree though that I’d rather see Murray add to Spezza to bring back another potential star.

      • Jakester

        People think that we’re so far from being significant but in reality we’re pretty close. The Spezza trade and another trade this summer will be a determining factor in our future. We get some nice pieces stay on budget and when the time comes we add at the deadline to go for it!

        • FistsofNeil25

          We aren’t close at all bud. Compare the core of our team to that of Chicago and LA, or any other contending team for that matter.

          • Jakester

            Ok gloom doom guy!

          • FistsofNeil25

            Call it gloom and doom if you want buddy but there’s a very small chance we make the playoffs next year and even then we’ll just get steam rolled in the first or second round.

            Melnyk’s budget is going to fuck us right out of ever being a contending team. That’s gloom and doom for ya. That’s just the way she goes. Melnyk’s internal budget is the reason why we will never compete with the elite teams in the league.

            We’ve won one playoff round in the last 7 years. I’m so excited to watch our 55 million dollar team next season!!!

          • Jakester

            Sniff sniff

      • A-Train

        Yes, I think there’s a lot to build on with that trio, and I’ll throw in Zibanejad too. Think we need at least one more in that league before we’re on the way to contention.

    • Aaron 2.0

      Teams interested in Spezza are probably trying to get over a hump, to really give them a good chance at a cup run. Sending a star player back is probably a non-starter for them. The high draft pick might be more realistic. Top 3 picking teams are Florida, Buffalo, and Edmonton. Are any of these teams on Spezza’s no-trade list?. Who knows. But, I wouldn’t be surprised if 2 of 3 were on there. Florida might make the most sense for Spezza. But, they have a really good young team there. I don’t think Florida builds a team around Spezza. And, they have the 1st overall pick. So, that has to be highly valued even more. I don’t really think it’s the organization not thinking big. I’m sure they’ll get as much as they can. But, an ageing player on an expiring contract, with an injury history, coming off a relatively disappointing season, is worth what he’s worth. It sounds like there’s more interest than I’d thought there would be. So, hopefully we end up with a few good pieces.

      • A-Train

        That’s all sound thinking, and seems like the most likely outcome.

        Still, I’m hoping Murray’s getting creative with the goal of either landing a big star or one of the top picks.

        What if he packaged all or part of the return on Spezza from St.Louis with some attractive pieces from our own system? Could that entice an Edmonton or Florida to part ways with a top pick….or a young star?

        • Jakester

          Then you end of trading 4-6 pieces for what exactly? we want guys who compete hard! that’s the main criteria, with some skill of course!

          • A-Train

            The main criteria should be skill …. plus a winning pedigree. Assuming Spezza is gone, I’d give up a few pieces to get back an Eberle or a pick that lands Ekblad.

          • FistsofNeil25

            We don’t just need guys who compete hard, we need high end skilled players who compete hard.

          • peetypuck

            Exactly and those are the players that usually go highest in the draft.

          • FistsofNeil25

            We’ll likely end up in the top 10 in next years draft. Could be as high as top 3.

          • peetypuck

            Buffalo looks like a good bet to finish last again. Calgary, Carolina and the Islanders (depending on what they do this summer) will probably be near the bottom also. Trading Spezza and Anderson for picks or prospects might put us in that group also.

          • Jakester

            Sens will make the playoffs next year!

          • Jakester

            I wrote with some skill of course, but I guess this team is void of skill to start with? Guess, Karlsson, TUrris, Ryan,Zibby, Ceci are just smo’s with no talent? We will add to this talent, people are so negative, what comes back for Spezza will be a good player, a young guy with tons of upside and a first rounder. This team will be OK big time!

          • FistsofNeil25

            So we have 3 skilled forwards and 2 skilled defenseman. Does that impress you? Beyond that core group of players, things start to look pretty bleak.

            Do Turris, Ryan and Zibby even come close to comparing to Toews, Kane, Sharp or Hossa? Kopitar, Carter etc? Getzlaf and Perry?

      • jimmyjohnson

        The only thing I don’t agree with is that he had a disappointing season. The only thing I think last season did was inflate his value. All teams have pro scouts and would have been watching closely as Spezza was playing arguably the best overall games of his entire career throughout the last quarter of the season.

        I hate that we’re about to trade him.

        • Jakester

          Your crazy, Spezza blows! His game is terrible, 2 goals in for 3 against! For 2 years we’ve been better when he’s out of the lineup! Stop crying he’s going to be TRADED!

          • jimmyjohnson

            We’ll see, when he’s traded, how much NHL GMs agree with you.

            It’s worth pointing out that in his final 40 games with Ottawa, he was producing almost literally a point per game. I mean that as in scoring a point in pretty much every game. That’s pretty tough to do. Also, he scored 3 game winning goals in his last 5 games here…

            I’m a Spezza fanboy. I’m a relatively unbiased observer who believes he is playing better than at any point in his career.

            You, on the other hand, are a biased observer who is tired of feeling letdown by the team’s number 1 center. I get that. I just don’t agree that trading him is definitely a positive for the franchise

    • Jakester

      Stop dreaming Spezza isn’t worth that much. You get Berglund,Jaskin(kid is big,fast , can score and has a mean streak), and a first rounder. What more do You want. That would be a nice haul.

      • peetypuck

        If Jaskin is that good why would anyone trade him?

        • Jakester

          Well we’re asking for a prospect. He has all sorts of potential, in game film he looks pretty impressive. Big guy, would be a good winger, and he’s NHL ready, he played 20 games last year.

      • A-Train

        Not Spezza alone. But a package involving Spezza…or better yet a second trade where we take what we got for Spezza and send it anywhere we want…without NTC’s to worry about. Far-fetched? Maybe, but not unprecedented.

        • Jakester

          No not far fetched at all.

        • peetypuck

          That may be possible but that’s what Burkie tried to do in Laffland. If Murray can pull it off that would really be nice. In reality we probably need one or two more top draft picks to get the players we need. Nobody is going to give up their best just to help the Sens get better but they will give up high draft picks sometimes for immediate results. That’s where Dave Tallon and this year’s #1 pick come into play.

      • Sandy

        It won’t be Jaskin because he is Russian and I don’t think Murray goes for that..

        • Jakester

          He’s a Czech who grew up playing in Russia. Played the QMJHL so he’s far from being a guy who will run to the KHL, he loves north America. We have to stop with these prejudices.

    • FistsofNeil25

      When I watch LA/CHI I don’t think to myself that we need Spezza if we’re going to have any chance of competing with those teams. I think holy shit, we’re never going to be able to skate with the best teams in the league on Melnyk’s budget. It’s nice to dream or believe we can because we love our team, but there isn’t a chance in hell.

      We aren’t big enough, fast enough, skilled enough, or strong enough. All we can hope for on Melnyk’s budget is that we can find a way to sneak into the playoffs and maybe win a round every few years. Any idea of contending is far fetched.

    • peetypuck

      That’s what I’ve been preaching for over a week now. Use Spezza to get this year’s #1 pick if possible and stay in rebuild and go for a top-3 pick in the 2015 draft. We don’t have the players to compete against the Chicago’s or other top contenders. The only way to get a Toews or Stamkos is through the draft. Even Bryan Murray can’t conjure up players of this calibre very often in the middle of the first round if they aren’t there. Buffalo has this years #2 pick and probably will get a top-3 next year. It won’t be long before they pass our Sens.

    • jimmyjohnson

      First of all, Chicago: Kane 1st overall, Toews 3rd overall; LA: Doughty 2nd overall; Ottawa: Ryan: 2nd overall, Turris: 3rd overall.

      High draft picks are not what’s propelling either of those teams to the Finals. We already have just as many (and more with Spezza, and arguably Zibanejad).

      Second: Spezza 100% will not waive for Buffalo, and he probably won’t waive for Edmonton, and he might not even waive for Florida. More importantly
      we don’t want to trade him to a division rival.

      • A-Train

        Which is why I’m advocating a 3-way trade where we send him to one of his 2o preferred teams…then put together a package to obtain a top pick or high-impact player.

        There’s no one route to success. But drafting the league’s best players is a pretty decent roadmap. And you have a better chance of doing that the higher you move in the draft order.

        • jimmyjohnson

          That’s fair, but when was the last three-way trade? I honestly can’t think of one. They just don’t happen anymore.

          I’d love to get the top pick, but I just don’t see it as a viable option.

  • Jakester

    Here’s the plan

    Hoffman, Prince, Cowen, and pick for Stewart and Erhoff
    Spezza for Berglund,Jaskin, 1st rounder
    Wiercioch,Smith, Condra for Gagner and a late pick

    Mac-TUrris-Ryan
    Berglund-Gagner-Stewart
    Jaskin-Zibby-Stone
    Greening-Grant-Lazar
    (Pageau,Neil)

    That’s a big forward lineup

    D’s

    Methot-Karlsson
    Erhoff-Ceci
    Phillips-Gryba
    Boro,Claessen

    That looks pretty good.

    • AutoTurris

      That’s actually a wicked series of events; all foreseeable as well. Whether or not it actually goes through is tough to say but I’d be dtf with that roster

    • Sandy

      I wouldn’t give up Hoffman or Cowen just yet – especially to Buffalo. I don’t want the Sens to get Stewart.. he is reportedly to be a lazy player..
      Smith won’t be traded either.

      • Jakester

        “Reportedly” by the amateurs of the world! Wouldn’t mind his physicality, maybe playing in his home province will drive him with family in the stands!

  • Sandy

    Happy Birthday EK65..

  • ProfessorPower

    would be awesome to get Hossa back, and since they are in cap trouble we could get more in the deal.
    Spezza + something for Shaw + Hossa
    prince + for Stewart

    Macarthur-Turris-Ryan
    Hossa-Zbanejad-Stone
    Stewart-Shaw-Lazar
    Greening-Smith-Neil

    • FistsofNeil25

      That looks pretty good actually. Hossa would instantly become our best forward and would really help out Zibanejad and Stone. The way Hossa plays the game, that’s exactly the type of player we want out young guys to aspire to become.

      • Sandy

        Giving up a great 2 way player like Hossa with a cheaper cap hit for Spezza who does give them a 2nd line centre — just don’t see it.

        • FistsofNeil25

          I don’t see it at all either. I just like the way that line-up looks and it would be within our budget! Hossa has always been one of my favorite players. I can’t believe how poorly Muckler handled him.

          I’ve always thought that we would have won a cup or two if we had kept Hossa and Chara instead of trading for Heatley and signing Redden.

          • peetypuck

            Muckler destroyed our team and left the prospect cupboard empty. He set us back ten years with his trading and drafting or should I say lack of. And only an idiot would have left Chara walk away without getting something for him.

          • jimmyjohnson

            Our 2002 draft always comes to mind when I read stuff like this.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Klepis and Kaigorodov sure showed a lot of promise!

    • WaitingSince92

      Yeah, because if you’re in cap trouble, someone like Spezza fits in really well…

      • ProfessorPower

        true, but they do need a 2nd line center. Spezza and his 7 mil cap hit may not be a good fit, depends on who they get rid of. I didnt realize Hossas cap hit is lower than Spezzas..

    • Millennium

      Spezza’s hit is $7M, Hossa’s is $5.2M, and Shaw’s in $2M. That trade doesn’t save them any cap space at all next year, and Hossa’s deal will be a bargain once the cap has gone up once or twice more. Not to mention I can’t imagine CHI ever doing a trade for Spezza + unless the plus is Zibby, Lazar, or someone of that quality.

      • FistsofNeil25

        It isn’t just a bad trade for Chicago financially…. Hossa makes $7 900 000 in real salary the next two seasons. That would be a big chunk of our internal budget.

        • ProfessorPower

          damn didn’t realize he made that much in real dollars. It would be sick to see Hossa back in a sens jersey however..

          I could see both LA and CHI as potential trading partners actually, well.. hopefully lol

          • Sandy

            I don’t see them trading with the Sens.
            LA is rumoured to be buying out Mike Richards who is now their 4th line centre.
            Chicago will find a way to get out from their cash crunch.. and it won’t involve trading any of their stars unless it’s Patrick Sharp.

          • ProfessorPower

            Thats why I want Richards.. If we could get him at retained salary we would be saving LA tons of money compared to buying him out, and on top of that they would get Spezza. Richards is a perfect guy for Maclean and Ottawa.. he could play 2nd center next year and then be our 3rd line center for the rest of his career once Turris and Zbad surpass him. I would honestly rather Richards retire as a senator than Alfie.

            Spezza for Richards (30% retained) + Clifford + 2nd
            (obviously id rather Richards + Toffoli, i just think this is more realistic, and Clifford can pan out to be a 15 goal guy that can fight, which we need with the loss of Kassian)

            Still think we go after Stewart or sign Penner athough I know many ppl on here arnt too happy about that. Stewart will be on a conract year so he has to step up next season if he wants to get paid…I like that and thats why I want him on Ottawa.

            Macarthur-Turris-Stone
            Stewart-Richards-Ryan
            Clifford-Zbanejad-Lazar
            Greening-Smith Neil

            if speed is an issue (ie against teams like MTL) switch Hoffman in for Greening. I really think thats a forward group that can be successful in the regular season and playoffs.. somewhat similar to Bostons lineup

          • FistsofNeil25

            Richards sucks now for what he’s getting paid. He’s on a steep decline. I wouldn’t want him on the Sens. His contract alone is enough to screw us over. His cap hit is $5 750 000 until the 2019-2020 season. That’s friggen terrible. He’s making 7 and 6 million in real dollars in the next two seasons. He’s overpaid by about 2 million dollars per season. No thanks.

          • ProfessorPower

            30% retained fixes everything you just said. And hes had a bad season, but his character alone is worth the money. Having a gold medalist and stanley cup champion is never a negative thing to add to your dressing room, and like i said he wont be expected to be the bulk of our offense or anything.

            Perfect role model for a young team, perfect player for Macleans system. Yes Please

          • FistsofNeil25

            I don’t dislike Richards. He used to be one of my favorite players back in the day when he was playing for Philly. The thing is, I look at Curtis Lazar and see our very own Mike Richards who isn’t signed to a big contract for the next 6 seasons.

            I also don’t think it’s realistic to expect LA to retain 30% of his salary for the next 6 seasons. I would rather use the Spezza trade to acquire a couple players who have their entire careers ahead of them. Richards career is more than half way over.

            And for the record, I don’t see much appeal in a Stewart-Richards-Ryan line. That would be one of the very slowest lines in the league. I still don’t understand why anyone would be in favor of acquiring Stewart. He only has one year on his contract and he has developed a reputation for being a lazy player.

          • ProfessorPower

            The Curtis Lazar thing I completely agree with, which imo was more incentive to get Lazar a role model – ie Richards. If the rumor is LA buying out Richards than 100% they will retain salary.. if your a GM which would you rather have; pay 100% of Richards Contract.. OR pay 30% or Richards contract and get Spezza…completely realistic if you understand the business side of sports. Unless the buyout rumor was completely untrue then yes I could see them refusing to retain, but im going off that.

            Depends what those pieces are. I personally would take Richards and Clifford 10/10 over Berglund and Rattie.

            Stewart has always performed in a Contract year and playing top 6 in Ottawa should be no different. The guy is still young and has a lot of tools, I think most believe Maclean can work wonders with him.

            To me Stewart Richards Ryan is a lite of Lucic Kreji Iginila…and if you care purely about speed your probably the type of fan who wants a line like Hoffman – Ganger – Hemsky. so fucking weak.

            Hasnt it been completely damn obvious that Ottawa has ALWAYS played better with a tougher lineup. Chara Emery Neil Mcgratten Carkner Konopka.. part of some of our most exciting teams. We were not tough this year mentally of physically, we need to solve that.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Obviously LA would rather retain 30% of Richards salary than buy-out the remainder of his contract. I just don’t really believe in the buyout rumors. There have been buyout rumors about Hossa as well. They’re just rumors until it happens.

            I would also take Richards+Lewis+2nd over Berglund+Rattie+1st, but really, neither of those trades involve a single player that excites or intrigues me. I just truly think that the Richards deal is too short-sighted. If our goal is trying to squeak into a playoff spot next year, then ya lets go get a player like Richards and hope it works out, but our goal should really be to build a team that will contend for the cup for years to come.

            We have a lot of nice prospects, but how many of them project to be top offensive talents? If we’re trading our top offensive player Spezza, then I really would hope we acquire a player that has a high offensive ceiling.

            Oh and one last note on Richards – if he’s is truly on the outs in LA and they’re just looking to rid themselves of his contract, he could probably be had for a lot less than Spezza.

    • peetypuck

      I just checked Hossa’s carreer stats. He has already played 1,090 regular season games.

  • Zelle

    Do we know anything about when the guys are coming back for training and whatnot?

    • Sandy

      I would think most of the guys that have school aged children come back middle of August.. The young guys I would assume the first of Sept.
      But in the meantime you have the development camp after the draft..

  • Mitchell

    Senators.nhl.com

    They’ll release a letter of invites as soon as it begins. I’m sadly not sure as to when.

  • Nicholas Rawlins

    What’s the upside of berglund? Not familiar, his stats look to keep regressing every year, is he just not being used?

    • Mitchell

      I wonder the same thing

    • Jakester

      http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VVwqnHIO2gA

      Hitchcock has a way of stifling offensive creativity a little. Berglund will do better in Ottawa!

      • Jakester
        • jimmyjohnson

          You’ll seriously be adding him to every trade proposal by the 2016 deadline

          • Jakester

            Whatever you read, everywhere , has him being the piece from St.Louis you dimwit, so there is something to it!

          • jimmyjohnson

            You’re a pretty sensitive guy. Take it easy champ.

            “Whatever I read” comes mostly from casual observers who are almost always wrong about player value.

            But whatever, think what you want. We’ll see soon enough whether you were right.

      • jimmyjohnson

        He’s a Swedish Nick Foligno.

        Stop acting like he’s a good return for Spezza.

        • Jakester

          You have no clue what a good player is. Are we only getting 1 piece back BOZO? What. Do you expect KANE,SAAD, And a first rounder, dumbass! you get a roster player, Berglund is a 20 goal guy on a defensive team, and he’s big. Then if we get the Czeck kid Dmitri Jaskin he can skate, hit, and score(a damn good prospect. And a first rounder. What do you expect , come on , tell me SUBBAN, tell me!

          • jimmyjohnson

            You really come off as an angry troll. Obviously you’re pretty quick to lash out. That must be tough, kiddo.

            I’ve already outlined what I think the return will be, but I have far too little understanding of the variables being considered in talks between teams to make a statement on the expected return with any certainty. The only thing I am confident in is that Spezza’s value is greater than a loud minority of fans (both for the Sens and the opposing teams) would like people to believe.

            Is Berglund, Jaskin, 1st a terrible package? It’s not ideal, but no, it’s not terrible. In a setting where multiple teams are bidding for a player with limited control over his destination, however, it is not likely to be the winning deal that secures a top flight offensive player coming off one of the more impressive back-halfs, league wide, of the 2013-14 season.

          • FistsofNeil25

            You’re wasting your time getting into it with Jakester – that guy thinks we can make the playoffs with a second line of Berglund-Da Costa-Jaskin next season lol

          • jimmyjohnson

            lol I like Da Costa! He’s so crazy skilled! It’s disgusting what he can do sometimes. I distinctly remember one time this year, early in the season, he was cut off by two opposing players along the half wall with the puck at 5on5, and he drops the puck back to his skate, kicks it back in one fluid motion, and walks out safely into open ice before finding a seam for a pass that almost resulted in a goal. The kid is sick!!

            I like Jaskin as a prospect (basically Colin Greening with skill) and Berglund’s okay in a 6-9 role (lol 69) but anything more than that and it just shows how bereft of talent you top 9 is…

            I’d be fine with having either player on the team, but the simple reality is that they don’t make up enough value (even with a late 1st) for me to think that a player of Spezza’s caliber can be attained by the Blues. I hope that there is indeed a bidding war for Spezza’s services (as it seems there will be). If there is, we will get a better package for Spezza. If he had a NMC and was a rental, then yeah that package would be pretty great. Given that he doesn’t and that he’s likely to sign with a team like the Blues, I think I and other Sens fans have every right to expect something better. I would imagine that package is very close to an opening offer from the Bues, especially considering Berglund’s own contract situation and the strong likelihood that he isn’t in their plans, long term.

      • Nicholas Rawlins

        Is it right to trade a possible 80 point guy for him and a prospect that might not even pan out? I know you dislike spezza a lot but he did miss an entire year due to injury, he got a lot better in the second half.

        • Nicholas Rawlins

          Especially since Ryan’s not going to resign, that leaves us in the bottom ten for years to come

          • Sandy

            You know that Ryan’s not going to be re-signed?

          • Nicholas Rawlins

            Let’s be real here, he’s not gonna resign. I’m not gonna spread rumors o nothing but the guy is just making a pit stop here and I’d be willing to wager my Ryan heritage jersey on that.

        • jimmyjohnson

          I’ve saying this to basically anyone who would listen: The problem with trading Jason Spezza to the Blues is that they don’t have a high end prospect and they have limited tradeable NHL talent.

          Their three best prospects are Allen, Jaskin, and Rattie. None of those is a centerpiece in a deal like this (although an argument could be made for Allen, moreso on a team that needs goaltending).

          Their disposable NHL talent isn’t enough to overcome the prospect talent gap. The best they would possibly offer would be Shattenkirk. He’s a solid win for a team that gets him but not a slam dunk in a bidding war.

        • Jakester

          Jason Spezza is one sneeze away from having his back give out for good! Worth the risk? And the whole league knows this

          • jimmyjohnson

            Congratulations! You officially have the dumbest post I’ve read on the subject (and a few more in the top10).

          • Jakester

            You’re an idiot for asking us to vote for Subban you dickweed! That was by Far the dumbest post!

          • jimmyjohnson

            Settle down kiddo. I never insulted you personally. I sais that your biased post was the dumbest I’ve seen on the subject. This is a fact because you have a heavily biased view on Spezza and are exceengly pessimistic with respect to the return he will garner.

            If tou had taken the time to open the link I provided with my call for Sens fans to vote for Subban, you would have seen that with the cover historically comes a bump in pay. Whether real or manufactured, that bump in pay increases the cost of retaining him for one of our direct rivals, simultaneously reducing their available cap space to sign other players.

            Unfortunately, you are apparently so prone to pre-judgement that you failed to read between the lines. That is your failing, and I’m sure it affects you in other parts of your life. Might want to take a look at that.

  • Jakester

    I said it at the beginning of last season and took all sorts of grief for it, Sens should trade for Hemsky and Gagner… Well we saw how good Hemsky was! Gagner had his face broken by Kassian last year, beginning of the year, but near the end of the year he was ripping it up! He has tons of skill. Edmonton are idiots, they want to move him, as our second C he would give Zibby a couple more years to be a terrifying 3C where he can dominate. Plus, Gagner is a killer in the shootout, how many points a year do we blow in the shootout????

    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_nEk8d3_BKs

    • spgottawa

      My guess is that Edmonton would be on Spezza’s no trade list. However if the Sens pick up a top four defence man in a Spezza deal from somewhere else then maybe they can package some D together to Edmonton for Gagner. (Why Edmonton hasn’t dealt for some quality D already is beyond me)
      I have to think this is unlikely though. My guess is that with entertaining the Spezza trade BM is confident that they are ready to go with Turris, ZBad, Smith, Pageau/DaCosta, Lazar down the middle. They expect a few of these guys are ready to elevate their game to a higher level – particularly ZBad and Turris. And they need playing time to do so – look at the improvements Turris made while Spezza was injured….
      So they are more in the market for a top 6 gritty, bigger winger and/or an upgrade on defence.

    • Cactus Face Elmer

      Hemsky has come and will be gone to the highest bidder
      (can’t blame him – could be his last big contract)

      • Mitchell

        I think they are aiming for toughness and some skill with that toughness. I think they’ll try and sign Steve Ott, but that said I think they’ll be looking for I’m return from Ottawa Greening, Grant and 2014 2nd.

        EDM
        Greening-Grant/Ott-Brown

        OTT
        Ganger-Zibanejad-Ryan

  • BeJamin

    Pretty sure everyone was on the Hemsky bandwagon, as long as the price was right. For a long time now. Years.

  • Cactus Face Elmer

    Bob Cole signs for next season with Rogers

    =================================================================

    Old Bob Cole was an unwary old soul
    And an unwary old soul was he
    He called for the game and his calls were a shame
    And he called for his players six (he only knows 6 of the 12 on the ice at any time)
    Every player he had a stick
    And a very fine stick had he
    Oh there’s non so rare, as can compare
    With Bob Cole and his players six
    ==============================================================

    • WaitingSince92

      Don’t quit your day job

    • Sandy

      So Bob Cole signs with Rogers — who’s next? Healey? Cherry? Some of the many reasons I hate CBC..

      • WaitingSince92

        Healey’s awful and I won’t get into Cherry, but Cole is harmless. He’s like the Harry Caray of hockey announcing.

    • WaitingSince92

      Also, don’t you find the hate for Bob Cole at least a decade old? I admit I really didn’t like him when Ottawa was playing the Leafs all those years in the playoffs. Now he’s just a classic though – with a legendary voice. I find his numerous mistakes more amusing than anything now.

      • Jakester

        They should put him out to pasture!

  • WaitingSince92

    Sunday News & Notes:

    No news or notes to report at this time.

    • Jordan

      Just want these playoffs to be done with so we can get to the offseason. I could really care less who eins the stanley cup although it would be nice to see marty st. Louis win won for his mom.

  • FistsofNeil25

    It’s interesting to see a few of you guys throw Sam Gagner’s name out there. He actually wouldn’t be the worst pick-up, and he can probably be had for relatively cheap. I think if anything, I imagine Edmonton is mostly looking to dump Gagner’s salary and to pick up a couple 3rd or 4th line grinders. I remember that there was that rumor floating around at the deadline suggesting that Edmonton was in talks with LA to send Gagner for Trevor Lewis and a pick or something like that.

    I wonder if we can interest them in Greening + for Gagner.

    I don’t know if Gagner would be a long term piece in our top six but it wouldn’t be bad for a couple years. The downside is he’s a bit small and is obviously overpaid. If we were to add another center, I would prefer that he was a left hand shot. The only left hand shot we have at center is Smith. Turris, Zibanejad, Lazar, Da Costa and Pageau are all righties.

    Anyway, I think Gagner would be a decent pick-up if he was cheap to acquire.

  • RUSH RLZ

    Wow, have you guys seen the vote counts for Oshie and Tatar!? They will probably hit a quarter million. Holy shit!

    Please don’t concede MacArthur guys! Running some vote automation is very easy, program your PC to work for us while you are not using it. That is obviously what other fans are doing. So anyone wants to enlist in my Sens (bot) Army, let me know and I can help you get set up!

    • Sandy

      They should fix the voting so that this type of voting can’t be done..

    • bluebuyyoo

      Both are over 2 million each. That’s alottabots!

  • Sandy

    Chirp… any word on if Jarrod Maidens will ever play hockey again? Hasn’t he missed 2+ years of hockey because of his concussion? It’s really sad for that to happen to any young player with promise.. As for Brassard — too many goalie prospects and to little spots. Would Brassard position with the team be taken over by Hammond?

  • FistsofNeil25

    I there a more exciting player in hockey than Patrick Kane? So dynamic. We need a player like that!

    • aegiszx

      We have someone… no.65! Karl skates just as well, and is just as slick lol we’re spoiled man.

      But yeah, I totally agree. He’s my Conn Smythe pick for the Hawks right now.

      • FistsofNeil25

        I meant a forward though. Karl can’t do it all by himself. He needs help!

  • Cicero

    Three more times please (for good measure)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBaxde247Mw

  • Sandy

    I wish the Sens could get favourable bounces like these teams do….

  • Andrews theory

    Gaborik is looking like one of the best deadline acquisitions ever…

    Funny, didn’t Tookie call him a bust with the kings during their first series lol

    • FistsofNeil25

      lol yes, yes he did. I believe he said the Kings would never trade for a pure skilled player like Spezza, especially after the Gaborik failure.

      Classic Tookie.

      • jimmyjohnson

        Does it ever register with him how frequently his absolute certainty in his opinion leads him into looking foolish?

  • Andrews theory

    What a fantastic game 7!

  • Sandy

    Can’t get any better than this (unless it is the Sens of course). Game 7 going to OT.. Two elite teams.
    Note to the refs.. let them play.

  • Sandy

    Why can’t the Sens D play like that?

  • Sandy

    Congrats to the Kings.. Goal by Toffoli…

  • FistsofNeil25

    What an incredible series. Two amazing hockey teams. Chicago and LA are definitely the cream of the crop. Would anyone by surprised to see these two back in the conference finals again next season?

    I wonder if Melnyk watched this series, or if he stopped watching the playoffs when his Habs were eliminated. We’re so far away from being a great team. Eugene better be prepared to loosen up those purse strings eventually.

    • luckan20

      Agree. Both these teams will sweep us without much sweat.

    • Sandy

      IMO.. that was the Stanley Cup final. The actual final will never lie up to this Chi-LA series.

  • luckan20

    Best played series of 2014 play-offs. Best team won. Kings team need all needed rest before taking on Rangers.

  • Daybreak Maidenhead
  • SensFanInMTL

    Not sure if anyone mentioned this but it appears that the Sens are looking to trade Francois Brassard’s rights due to the depth in net with Driedger, Hammond and Hogberg. Looks like he was the odd man out. Read something about having to burn off a year of his contract and couldn’t afford it blah blah blah blah blah. Must be bothering Melnyk or some shit. Anyhow, we’ll never know how Brassard pans out until he plays and despite putting up good numbers, he just appears to be the odd man out. If can’t be dealt, he will be eligible to be re-drafted later this month. Au revoir, Mr. Brassard.

    • FBP

      I think he is back in the draft officially now. I think June 1st was the day we lost rights of players from his draft class if they weren’t signed.

      Seems weird that it would be a financial issue. This happens all the time to many teams around the league. We can’t keep everyone signed.

  • sprucesens

    i think we can rule out LA as an option for spezza. I doubt they are willing to give up toffoli, and he is probably our main attraction from them. Also, regardless of who we would want, if i’m the GM, you don’t go breaking up a team that has gotten to the cup twice in 4? years, unless you absolutely have to. at least there is only one more series to watch, then the offseason can begin! yay, lol

  • runningbear1974

    i can’t believe the refs gave chicago a 5 on 3… that was bullshit… glad LA won… Chicago is a powerhouse… But a good strong team can beat a powerhouse if they play hard,… I hope the sens model their team on LA… Chicago in my opinion is a little to hard to achieve… That Kane guy is a seriously good player…

    • FistsofNeil25

      LA is a powerhouse as well. The only thing standing in the way of either of those teams becoming a dynasty is eachother.

      • runningbear1974

        LA is super strong… I just thought they made a lot of mistakes, but were able to recover by effort… Whereas Chicago made less mistakes, but had nowhere to go because of LAs hustle…
        I’m thinking, it’s easier to do the LA thing, than the Chicago thing… Hard to be perfect, easier to try hard…
        You’re right though they do have tons of super skilled players, and they’re standing in each other way…

        • jimmyjohnson

          I agree for 3 reasons:
          a) Hossa level/age (in 2009) players don’t sign in Ottawa
          b) Toews level compete and leadership is rare in 1st line forwards
          c) That Kane guy is pretty good (read: clutch as ####)

          LA is all about minning a deep system (which we sort of have already) for the best players of the group, and then making savvy trades (Williams, Carter, Gaborik, Richards).

          I think if Ottawa can retain Ryan and get another couple players via trade (when the time is right) using our blossoming depth, then they stand a much better chance of doing the LA model successfully. A lot of that hinges on Lehner becoming Quick, though… gonna need some ‘tending!!!

  • SensChirp