Spezza Rumours Continue to Swirl

SensChirp May 12, 2014 953
Spezza Rumours Continue to Swirl

If there was any lingering doubt in the minds of Sens fans when it came to the future of Captain Jason Spezza, a series of tweets this weekend should confirm the inevitable…

Jason Spezza’s time in Ottawa is all but over.

As we talked about on this site back in early-April, Jason Spezza has indicated to the team that he would be open to a trade and that he’s ready to move on. The timing sort of works out for the Senators because with Spezza entering the last year of his deal, they were going to have to make a decision on whether or not to commit to him long term.  In some ways, that decision was made for them.

McKenzie is a little bit off on this one in that Spezza had already given the team an indication that he would be open to the trade during the season, prior to the trade deadline. The tweet from McKenzie seems to suggest that Spezza confirmed those desires during his season ending exit interview.

Kypreos was the one who got the ball rolling last night suggesting that both Spezza and Leafs Captain Dion Phaneuf could be on the move this summer. The fact that Spezza is available certainly doesn’t come as a surprise to anyone but maybe the fact that they are already shopping him does.

And then if he left any doubt, Kypreos was on Toronto radio this morning and all but confirmed what we have been preparing ourselves for for the last month or so.

St. Louis, Anaheim, Colorado and Edmonton have all shown initial interest. Phoenix, Nashville, Florida and even Toronto all seem like a good fit.

Now it’s up to Sens GM Bryan Murray to maximize the return.  For some this news will come as a bit of a surprise but the writing has been on the wall since the season ending media availabilities in the middle of April.  The tone was pretty clear that day and yesterday’s news only confirms what many of us already suspected…

  • EK65

    I knew this ember was going to turn into a full-blown grease fire leading up to the draft. And with almost exactly a month before the draft, what great timing for the media! …

    Has Spezza talked to management about a trade? Probably. But this will be the big story for media types to over-inflate leading up to the draft. It’s going to be over-hyped, over-analysed, there will be tonnes of fact-less rumours floating around, and no one will know what’s happening except Bryan Murray and the assistant GMs.

    • SensChirp

      I think we all know at least the basics. What more do you need to know at this point?

      • EK65

        Exactly, they’ll be really vague too. Spezza will go to a team in the west, although 29 teams have interest in his services… Players coming back could be a C, W, D or G..

        Yup.. that means he may be moving to 1 of the 30 teams and the return will be someone who wears skates for a living.

  • Cicero

    And in related news, Kypreos also said Erik Karlsson “most definitely re-injured himself” as evidenced from the linked photo. It’s going to be a long summer, folks.

    https://scontent-a-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/t1.0-9/10172772_228785283994771_7710951889758631074_n.jpg

    • EK65

      This is a photo of Karlsson celebrating… no?

      • Cicero

        Yes, it is.

      • thirstytraveller

        I think Kyper still suffers mental lapses from time to time stemming from Vandenbussche’s knuckles!

    • FistsofNeil25

      huh?

    • Hax

      Either I’m not getting the sense of humor here or this is one of the dumbest posts in a while.

      • Cicero

        Probably both.

      • Aaron 2.0

        Haha. I think he was just poking fun of Kypreos, basically saying the guy is not exactly well-known for his trade rumours. It did sort of seem to come out of nowhere from him, and in such certain terms. I think we’re all pretty sure he’s actually right. But, just sort of interesting/funny that Kypreos was the one to get the media all fired up on this. I could be wrong, but that was sort of how I read into Cicero’s comment.

    • Matthew Rutldge-Taylor

      Lol. No, this is good. Would have been better if it was from the WC.

    • Sandy

      It will be a cold day in hell before I believe anything coming from Kypreos..

  • FistsofNeil25

    Well out of St Louis, Anaheim, Colorado, Nashville, Edmonton, Phoenix, Florida and Toronto, St Louis and Anaheim still seem like the best trade partners and most likely destinations.

    Both teams pass all criteria on the potential checklist:

    - Contenders? Check.
    - Cap space? Check.
    - Quality young assets to trade? Check.
    - Need for a top six center? Check.
    - Win-now mentality? Check.

    Of course it’s very likely that Spezza is traded to a different team than any of the ones listed above.

    • ChampIsHere

      I like St.Louis and Anaheim, they have interesting pieces on D and forwards and because Spezza only has a chance to burn us twice a year and in a cup final. haha Do not want him in toronto, all we could get back is Kadri or Bozak.. no thanks.

      • FistsofNeil25

        It’s possible though that we could get the most in a trade return from Toronto though. They’ve needed a center or Spezza’s caliber since Sundin retired.

        Since they are our biggest rival and inside our own division, the asking price would be a lot higher than what it would be from Anaheim or St Louis.

        To be honest I wouldn’t have much interest in any of their centers, including Kadri, but if a deal could get done involving JVR I would definitely listen.

        It will be an interesting summer for the Leafs as well. It seems as though Shanahan is going to force Nonis to shuffle the deck. These reports of them trying to ship out Phaneuf are huge and it’s definitely something that is being forced on Nonis from above, There’s no way Nonis wants to trade him after signing him to that 7 X 7 contract just a few months ago.

      • The Apostle

        I’m all for Anaheim. It’s probably that Koivu is retiring, freeing up a centre spot. They have Bonino and Cogliano (who we know Murray likes). On defence I wouldlove to be able to prise Fowler or Lindholm from them. But to get one of those blueliners and a decent forward we might have to add a Wiercioch to the pot.

        I’d be OK with that, both Fowler and Lindholm are better than PW.

        • ChampIsHere

          Bonino is great, but carries great value. Really would have to be a package deal to bring in a defenceman who’s already a roster player. Hopefully Spezza + PW would be enough to get Bonino and a D, maybe throw in a pick/prospect to pry Etem.

          • The Apostle

            I agree that Cogliano is more likely “getable’ than Bonino (especially after his playoff performances). Maybe instead of a centre we could look at one of their young wingers like Smith-Pelley.

        • SensDominate

          How about reacquiring Silfverberg? …maybe getting Naeson back too – deja vu anyone?

          • Tooks

            Dont want Silf, he’s a perimeter shooter. Noesen sure but we already have Lazar. Similar players.

    • Sandy

      Toronto?
      I would be forever extremely angry with the management of this organization.. if they traded their #1 centre to their main rival…

  • FistsofNeil25

    We’ve heard that Colorado is interested but it’s hard to imagine that a
    deal can get done there. Stastny is a UFA and will likely still be
    cheaper to re-sign than Spezza. Duchene, Landeskog, MacKinnon, Johnson
    and Barrie are likely all untouchable, and I would put O’Relly into that
    group as well if it wasn’t for his past contract dispute.

    Outside of any of those players listed above, is there really anything Colorado has that Ottawa could be interested in?

    I think the key here would be O’Reilly. In my opinion Colorado would be crazy to deal him but there always seems to be rumors that he could be available. I really think there would ave to be more pieces involved to even our the value going each way.

    If a deal is possible involving the two players, what would Ottawa have to add to Spezza to acquire O’Reilly?

    • sbs138

      Wow. I’d love to go Spezza for ROR straight up. doubt Colorado would though.

    • Doc

      That’s my best case scenario as well.

      Not sure what we would have to add to get ROR, but I would hope that they negotiate with him before trading for him.

    • The Apostle

      Didn’t they have interest in Parenteau?

      • sbs138

        He doesn’t fill the 1C role though. but BM may be thinking about Turris and ZBad as his top 2, in which case, ROR would not be needed.

        • Doc

          He’s a RW.

  • Hax

    Pure fantasy for me would be adding to Spezza to get one of the stud D-men out of St Louis and if we add enough get back a solid 2-way forward to help offset the hole Spezza will leave behind. If it were NHL15 I’d offer Spezza, Wiercioch and Gryba for Shattenkirk and Oshie and then negotiate from there with picks/prospects etc.

    • Matthew Rutldge-Taylor

      Agreed. Best case scenario is Ottawa getting a payer who can be a top 2 D for the Sens back from St. Louis (or anyone else able to part with one).

    • The Apostle

      Most of the Blues quality dmen have NTCs. The only one who doesn’t is Shattenkirk

      • Hax

        He’s the one I’d want most anyway.

        • whammer44

          He’s the most realistic option but you can’t mean you would want him before Pietrangelo?

          • Hax

            It’d be close, but yes basically assuming AP is out of the question.

          • whammer44

            Interesting. I think AP is in the top 10 D of the league. Good chance he will be in the Norris convo for quite a few years.

          • Hax

            The main reason it’s close is the contracts and the “fit” for our group. Not sure AP would make a good partner for EK and not sure either one would be okay being second pair guy. Though don’t know a thing about AP’s character so who knows.

            Shattenkirk I think would be a natural fit right behind EK on the second pairing (with Cowen ideally).

    • Sens613

      In nhl15 I traded spezza for duchene straight up and win the Stanley cup after that of course.

      Would never happen though.

  • Dirtysweetness

    I wonder if Dallas is on Spezza’s no trade list?

    • Hax

      If I understand correctly (which I might not) he had to submit a 10 team list a long time back (before the deadline? Jan 1? – not sure exactly). Some teams are easy to guess: Edmonton, Calgary, Winnipeg, Phoenix, Islanders, Panthers, Columbus seem likely to be on his list but it’s always possible he’s actually open to one or two of those and/or has other teams he wanted to block more than those. I left Buffalo off the list since I think there could be a Tim Murray factor.

      Dallas is a bubble team IMO – I wouldn’t expect them to be on a shorter list but if you have to pick 10 teams you may end up adding some that, as a player, you’re not actually totally against. If nothing else it gives you a bit more control.

      • Dirk-Diggler

        Dallas is on the upswing with Benn and Seguin. If I were Spezza I’d love to go to Dallas and slot behind Seguin. Also, the media there isn’t vultures like we have in Ottawa witht he Sun!

        • Hax

          All true. But when you try to find 10 teams that he’d have on his list the last few spots are tougher. Would need to understand his motivation (winning only? less pressure? weather? taxes? next contract? politics? proximity to extended family? specific players?)

          • Dirk-Diggler

            The list was submitted last summer or the one before if I am not mistaken. Things can always change. If his choices were down to play in Dallas or play another year in Ottawa I think he’d say Dallas.

          • Hax

            That sounds right – whatever year it kicked in. I suppose he could ask to change it any time after but the Sens could technically refuse.

            And yeah, just being on the list doesn’t mean no trade is possible. If Murray said “look Jason I have a deal in place with Dallas – will you waive to go there even though they’re on your list?” and Spezza can say yes.

            Basically, teams not on the list – Murray can just pull the trigger, teams on the list he’d have to clear it with Spezza. So really, on the list or not, Dallas seems to be at least possible.

          • Doc

            If I recall correctly, it was submitted in the Summer of 2012 (July?). But this brings another question:

            Is it still valid, or can it be modified this summer?

          • SensChirp

            It’s a good question. I bet he can take teams off the no trade list but that’s the only change he can make.

          • Dirk-Diggler

            I am pretty sure that a mutual decision by the team and Spezza can open up the list to any suitor.

          • FistsofNeil25

            The question is did he ever even submit the no-trade list to begin with? Team’s don’t always enforce this kind of thing.

            Phillips had the same kind of agreement worked into his contract. He was supposed to submit a 10 team no-trade list on January 1st, 2014 but he never actually did. At least he said he didn’t submit the list when he was asked around the trade deadline.

          • Doc

            Teams are allowed to ask for sure, it’s part of their contracts.

            If the player doesn’t submit it, they’re basically saying that they can be traded to whichever team.

          • Dirk-Diggler

            According to Garrioch he did in fact submit the list.

          • Hax

            Right – I’m sure he could ask to update the list but why would Murray agree knowing that means there are teams on the list Spezza would consider waiving for.

          • FistsofNeil25

            He’s a huge Cowboys fan haha in all seriousness though, Dallas is an interesting one depending on when he was asked to submit his 10 team no-trade list.

            Question is, what do they have to offer? Obviously Seguin and Benn are off the table and I would think Nichushkin is as well.

            Brenden Dillon would be an awesome pick-up but I would imagine he’s off the table as well.

  • Dirk-Diggler

    Wherever Spezza ends up I wish him well. He’s been my favourite player for the past 5-6 years and I appreciate everything he’s done for the city.

  • RUSH RLZ

    Yeah I know it falls on ‘ownership’ too but I am still vastly disappointed that Alfie chose to leave the town where he was treated and worshiped like a god on Earth.

    Spezza on the other hand has been nothing but the whipping boy hear in Ottawa and can never seem to please most anyone. Him I could never blame for wanting a fresh start at a new postal code. If it is what he wants, I wish him the very best and lots of success on a new team, preferably in the West and I hope for a considerable return, as do we all.

    • thepez

      This is where the misconception of Alfie’s God like status is once again brought up. Alfie was not worshiped like that prior to 2007. Alfie was absolutely skewered after the 2006 loss against Buffalo. Even prior to that people did not think he was a capable leader.
      My point being, Spezza is a whipping boy for the minority of Sens fans and I don’t believe it plays any role in him wanting to leave. My own opinion is that it starts at the top and Alfie’s departure and Spezza’s potential departure is attributed directly to Eugene.

      • Senatollah

        Agreed. Alfie was very controversial even within the organization in his first years and was close to being dealt a few times. There were concerns that his workout routines, if they didn’t change, would limit his career,not aid it.

        • RUSH RLZ

          Good points both of you and I was very well aware, no ‘misconception’ here. Still my point was Alfie left amidst years of insane adoration by fans + community. Giggles deciding to pack up his bags and head elsewhere is a different beast altogether, that is if it even is his decision.

          If (when) Spezza is traded, and barring him doing something redonkulous like throwing the fans/city under a bus, I think I will wish him more well in the future that I do Alfie.

  • Michael McCarthy

    “You’ll live to regret this”

  • Millennium

    I just have to give props to Chirp for being way out in front on this story. He was floating this possibility long before other places. Its amazing how different the reaction is on this board to other places (HFBoards, Reddit) where their heads are still stuck in sand and even mentioning this before yesterday would get you flamed into oblivion. I think we were all slowly eased into it from Chirps’ steady, but reserved, rumours and observations. Well done!

    • Doc

      Your first mistake was going to HFboards to begin with.

      Don’t worry, happens to the best of us.

      • SensChirp

        They do not like me one bit over there haha

        • RUSH RLZ

          At least people respect you on your own site, unlike that Eklund clown.

        • Doc

          I got ‘warned’ so many times by mods for calling out idiots.

          That place used to be awesome until it got too big for its own good. Now it’s filled with over emotional children who played too much EA NHL.

          • Millennium

            I go to watch the trainwreck threads in the Trade forums. Its hilarious; I just can’t look away.

          • Doc

            I know, I’m also guilty of reading those threads.

            It’s like driving by an accident slowly…

  • spoons

    If Melnyk really is this screwed for money then might as well just start to pile up prospects and picks so that a few years down the road when they are up for big contracts Melnyk would ideally either a) be gone or b) have money. No point in keeping someone like Spezza around if Murray can’t spend money to give him a supporting cast and since his trade value will only go down in later years.

    • Sandy

      IF he is so broke.. were the hell is he getting all of this money to make the changes to the arena he is…
      IF this team was losing approx. 10M a season.. they would be getting some relief in way of revenue sharing. Since it appears they are not.. then they are not losing the money he says they are.
      He has the team as one entity. The arena, parking, concessions, etc as the other.. which probably makes a good deal of money. So overall he is making money…

      • FistsofNeil25

        Isn’t Canadian Tire paying for the arena upgrades?

  • BMurray

    Options for Spezza

    Florida
    Kulikov/First for Spezza

    Dallas
    Oleksiak/Ritchie/First for Spezza/Weircoch

    Phoenix
    Yandle/First for Spezza/Weircoch

    Anaheim
    Vatanen/Rackell/First for Spezza/Weircoch

    Columbus
    Bjorkstrand/First/Fourth for Spezza

    • sben

      I would want a little more than those for spezza.

      • Dirk-Diggler

        The best deal would be Florida in that scenario… then Pheonix then Anaheim… the others I am not sure about

        • BMurray

          Well i dont think you can make a Heatley/Hossa type trade, I dont think there is any 1 for 1 that would be realistic that would put us as a top contender, so getting top end prospect would be key.

      • BMurray

        not sure how realistic it will be. We arent close to wining the SC with or without spezza, i think we need to build up our D alot more, and work on are top 6.

        I Would even consider Bieksa/First for spezza from Vancouver

    • FistsofNeil25

      I’m not sure how Ritchie and Oleksiak are developing but that’s a pretty great return for Spezza. Actually all those deals are pretty solid but I don’t really know anything about Bjorkstand.

      • BMurray

        The way I see it is Spezza (C) have a pretty solid value (stats/price) but health will be a concern. I know ANA keeps coming up but have a feeling Bonino would be the return and im not high on his ceiling. Highly doubt he gets moved to ANA. Teams with a big Need for number 1 are Phoenix/Columbus/Nashville/St-louis/Florida/Calgary/Winnipeg//NJ/

        the rest of the teams, spezza would just be a wish list. No way hes dealt within division so some teams can be forgotten (exceptionof Florida)

      • sprucesens

        watched him in Portland the last few games against the oil kings, and he seems pretty good.

    • Hax

      While anything is possible, I think Florida, Phoenix and Columbus are all likely to be on Spezza’s list.

      Not sure why you’re trying to wedge a first in every deal though. I don’t think Murray is dying to get a first round pick. Maybe a conditional one in 2016 if Spezza re-ups with the team we trade him to.

      • BMurray

        I dont think a first is a must, but would think they want a first this year, and i would think teams would rather give up a pick then roster spot for a player like spezza

      • Harv

        Florida and Texas are the only two NHL states with no state income tax. Seems to me, if you are looking at a 7 year, $7M contract that would be a major factor in not listing them as “no go” places.

        • Hax

          Hemsky’s rights are worth next to nothing. Acquiring Spezza (who Hemsky enjoyed playing with by all accounts) does more for your chances of signing Hemmer than holding his rights until July 1st would. I GUESS that if the team wanted to offer him 8 years instead of 7 that might come into play – but I can’t see it really sweetening any deal.

    • Sandy

      You do know that Keith Yandle was a +/- minus 23 last season, right?

  • Zelle

    I sincerely hope they do not pickup Edler for Spezza. Or at all, really. He’s so lazy. Especially in the playoffs. For each ‘wow’ moment he has like 20 ‘wtf’ moments. Easily one of my least favorite Canuck. I wouldn’t mind Bieksa or Kesler though!

    • whammer44

      There’s a reason Edler’s name keeps coming up…no to Edler. Bieksa would be a minute eater but cant see why Van would move him. I suppose a Kesler for Spezza trade could be worked out with added parts.

  • sprucesens

    eklund added wings sabres and sharks… not sure about those first 2 as possibilities. Anywho, can’t wait till whatever it is, happens. Good to hear there are lots of teams lining up, contrary to some posters beliefs, most teams would love to add a player of spezza’s calibre. And I think this time, hopefully as a fan base, we don’t treat spezza like heatley, even though its a very similar situation, other than this time, the team seems ready to move on, and spezza isn’t acting like a spoiled little kid. But anyways

    • Sandy

      IF the rumours are true that Spezza wants out.. one of the reasons would be he sees no chance of this team winning a Cup within the next 5-6 years or so… which probably coincides with his retirement. He would probably have a less chance of winning in Buffalo… so I guess Buffalo is on his list of not wanting to there…

  • ILikeTacosMore

    I’d like a deal with Nashville. They need offense. Ryan Ellis & a 1st for Spezza.

    • sbs138

      I’d pass. We need D, not another, and less good, Karlsson. the 11th pick is also not good enough to make this deal.

      • ILikeTacosMore

        They need help recovering and getting the puck out of the zone. I think Ellis can manage that. How about Ellis + next year’s 1st round pick? Deeper draft (reportedly)…

        • FistsofNeil25

          Nah we can do better than Ellis. Yes we need another defenseman would can move the puck but whoever we get to fill that need must be solid in their own end as well. Ellis is really small and he’s nothing special.

  • Zelle

    Someone on HF forums…

    To OTT:
    Tomas Hertl
    Joe Pavelski
    Jason Demers
    1rst Round Pick 2014

    To SJS:
    Spezza
    Karlsson
    Rights to Michalek

    ._.

    • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

      Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

    • FistsofNeil25

      Yeah I saw thought as well. Laughable. And then a Sens fan replied by saying that San Jose package isn’t even enough to get Karlsson which was also pretty funny.

    • s3nsfan75

      I think i just threw up in my mouth a little

      http://media.tedparsnips.com/threwup-480×204.jpg

    • Big Lue

      Take out Karlsson and Michalek (his rights are almost worthless) and take out Joe Pavelski And you have a good trade offer there.

      Karlsson is going nowhere.

    • Jakester

      You never trade KARLSSON! That’s a bad trade, whoever put that up is nuts. I want Spezza moved but NOT with EK 65.

  • sbs138

    I hope BM and EM know what they are doing, because we don’t have a first line centre if we trade Spez. unless of course, we get one back in the trade.

    • Big Lue

      Last year he played most of the games and we missed the playoffs, year before he was injured all year and we made the playoffs. Not worth paying him $7Million a season and that’s what he’ll get on the open market. Getting value for him now is the right move

      • sbs138

        and maybe we get back to that Pesky Sens style of play, kinda like the CBJ now. playing hard every night and every shift until the final buzzer goes. we’ve seen that happen to teams when they trade away a star, or in our case, like we did the whole season the year before.

    • Sandy

      A #1 centre back? That’s not happening…

    • Jakester

      TUrris is a number one center, do you watch Sens hockey?

  • BMurray

    All i know is thank god we have BM as GM, he is consistent, for his 1 bad trade he usually get 3 good ones. We are due for a steal

  • FistsofNeil25

    Does anyone else think that it’s inevitable that Spezza signs with the Leafs next summer?

    • EK65

      I don’t know, do you think they’d sign him? I think he ends up somewhere in the West and stays there.

      I would love to see all the Leaf fans that have been chirping him for the past 11 seasons be forced into liking him. That would be the silver lining to all this for sure.

    • TookieIs100PercentRight

      Pretty much a given, thankfully for us he’s such a poor possession player these days that would be “Guaranteed Win Night” for us whenever we play them.

  • runningbear1974
  • Rafi Bomb

    There should be a myriad of interesting trade scenarios made available. The following are a few of my proposed targets (Note some may require the Senators to add):

    Anaheim
    We would likely be looking for a package deal of prospects, young players and picks. Ideally I would be looking for Emerson Etem, Devante Smith Pelly, Hampus Lindholm and a 2015 1st.

    Aside from them, other players we could target would be Nick Bonino, Kyle Palmieri, Mathieu Perreault, Luca Sbisa, John Gibson, Richard Rakell. We could also attempt to reattain Jakob Silverberg or Stefan Noesen or require Cam Fowler to be part of the deal.

    Overall Anaheim is one of the best trade partners if we are looking to build for the long term but relatively poor if we are looking to win now.

    Chicago
    Same as above. Andrew Shaw, Brandon Saad, Niklas Hjalmarsson and a 2015 1st.

    Would also have some interest in Ryan Hartman, Philip Danault and Mark McNeill.

    Colorado
    Ryan O’Reilly

    I personally don’t see them moving anyone else that would be of serious interest to us.

    Dallas
    Valeri Nichushkin, Alex Chiasson, Antoine Roussell, 2015 1st

    Also interested in Jamie Oleksiak and Brett Ritchie

    Los Angeles
    Best trade partner for s “win now” mentality. I would be looking for Mike Richards and Dustin Brown with salary retained. I would be willing to include Hemsky’s rights, Greening and some prospect/ pick to get 20%+ retained.

    Also interested in Dwight King, Kyle Clifford and Slava Voynov

    Nashville
    Key target would be Shea Weber. I would also be willing to add something substantial to get the deal done.

    Also interested in Seth Jones, Ryan Ellis and Brendan Leipsic

    Philadelphia
    Brayden Schenn and Wayne Simmonds

    Would also be interested in Sean Couturier, Scott Hartnell, Jakub Voracek, Scott Laughton and Samuel Morin

    Phoenix
    Martin Hanzal and Keith Yandle

    I would also be interested in Michael Stone, Brandon Gormley, Henrik Samuelsson, Max Domi

    St Louis
    TJ Oshie or David Backes or Kevin Shattenkirk

    Would also be interested in Jaden Schwartz

    Vancouver
    Zack Kassian, Bo Horvat and 2015 1st

    Also interested in Kevin Bieksa, Brendan Gaunce

    Winnipeg
    Evander Kane and Dustin Byfuglien

    Also interested in Andrew Ladd, Zach Bogosian

    As a summary, the best “win now” trade partners are:Colorado, LA, Nashville, Philadelphia, Phoenix, St Louis and Winnipeg.

    The best “build for the future” trade partners are: Anaheim, Chicago, Dallas, Nashville, Phoenix and Vancouver.

    • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

      Like most of your deals.. But doubt we get all the pieces listed in most of them without adding

      • Rafi Bomb

        In my opinion Murray will be looking to make a statement with this deal. This is the type of trade that either puts an exclamation point or a black mark on his career. He is essentially at the end of his career and this trade can help put the team over the top and help this franchise win a cup. Given that fact, I think he would be very willing to add to ensure that we attain a substantial return. The question becomes what kind of pieces do we need to add and at what point is the cost disproportionate to the return.

        Another thing worth considering is that there is a high degree or probability that there will be a number of teams that aggressively pursue Spezza. Murray could simply hang up if they aren’t offering something that peaks his interest . For example, if Doug Armstrong inquires he can respond by saying that he wants TJ Oshie or David Backes. If Armstrong responds by saying that he isn’t willing to move those guys, then Murray can basically state that he is not interested in trading with St Louis unless those players are part of the deal. That puts the pressure back on Armstrong to decide how badly he wants to trade for Spezza.

    • MethotToMyMadness

      I think the best move, if we are after a C in return, is Ryan O’Reilly or Martin Hanzal. Both can play a 1A or 1B with Turris taking turns. Face it, we wouldn’t get a Spezza type of point guy, but that’s ok if we can get a guy like either of them. Preferably O’Reilly for his two way game and minimal penalty minutes, but I’d be worried about the fact that he held out that season, and wouldn’t be happy in Ottawa.

      If we want a Winger, Simmonds all the way. I love the way that guy plays. Schwartz would be my 2nd option.

      • Rafi Bomb

        If we are looking for a centre who can step into a 1st or 2nd line role with the Senators, then we would be looking at acquiring one of the following as a primary piece:

        Colorado: Ryan O’Reilly
        Los Angeles: Mike Richards
        Philadelphia: Brayden Schenn or Sean Couturier
        Phoenix: Martin Hanzal
        St Louis: TJ Oshie or David Backes

        • Sandy

          The chance of getting any of them would be 1 for 5.. That would be Mike Richards… The others would not be the return..

        • FistsofNeil25

          Ron Hextall just said he’s not interested in trading any of his young players or draft picks for expensive veterans. He;s going to be a lot more patient in Philadelphia than Holmgren was. Can’t see a deal going down with Philly, especially one that involves their good young players like Schenn and Couturier.

          St Louis isn’t going to part with Oshie or Backes. They would bringing in Spezza to play with those guys.

          Also, since when has Hanzal ever demonstrated that he’s a first or second line center? He’s a good all round player but he’s more of a third line guy than a top six guy.

          • Sandy

            But he has an owner who wants to win now…

          • FistsofNeil25

            And if they’re going to win any time soon Hextall is going to have to clean-up the mess that Holmgren left for him, not make it any worse.

        • The Apostle

          The more I ponder a potential Spezza trade the more I realise I would be happiest if the trade brought back a defensive stud rather than an offensive one.

  • FistsofNeil25

    2-1 lead for Canada over the Czech’s. Turris scored the go ahead goal.

    • Sandy

      It was 4-1 — now it’s 4-3.. Reimer has not been good. Looks like he has no confidence at all. About 5 min left in the game..

      • Zelle

        He was totally interfered with on that last goal though. The puck was between his pads and the Czech guy put his stick between Reimer’s pads to push him and push it loose.

  • sprucesens

    anyone else not having a reply button or is it just this PC? anyways, rafi bomb: definitely realistic targets, but we will get less back in almost all the deals you listed. Probably have accurate targets on the teams listed though.

    • Rafi Bomb

      It depends how much we are willing to add. I would think that Hemsky’s rights for one would have significant value as he has shown chemistry with Spezza, wants a big pay day and wants to go to a contender. A team with deep enough pockets may see the value in that in essentially getting a Spezza-Hemsky combo. We could also move more ancillary pieces like Greening, Condra or young players such as Gryba, Wiercioch and Hoffman. Then we still have an array of prospects and picks that we could move as well. What the Senators decide to add to a deal would be reflected in the type of return it would garner; as long as we are getting a package of substantial pieces back, I am sure that the Senators would be willing to pay.

      • sprucesens

        yeah, very true. But then it starts being a mega blockbuster deal, instead of just the wiley vet for a a few young up and coming pieces, which is more common. It could happen though. Anyway you look at it though, we are going to have a different looking team next year… at least I hope

  • Sensturion

    First time I see Frasier actually questioning the refereeing. Usually he’s like a union guy standing by his mean through thick and thin.

    http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=451969

    Certainly sounds like “I have seen some known offenders embellish as many as three times in one game during these playoffs.” is directed at PK.

    • Doc

      Actually, he’s been pretty candid in most of his comments. I’ve seen him go against the referee call on more than a few occasions.

  • sprucesens

    we need more voter’s for turris’ goal on TSN POY. Get to it, its almost tied!!!!

  • MethotToMyMadness

    You know, it really makes me wonder if things would have been different, if Ryan showed chemistry with Spezza from the beginning? If that happened, we wouldn’t have seen the emergence of the Turris line into 1st line duties, which is what helped propel the trade rumors of Spezza even further.

    It’s great that Ryan, Turris and MacArthur ripped it up, I have no regret about that as a Fan, I love the action. But the original idea was to have a scoring winger for Spezza and we all know how that turned out.

    Another thing to consider. If GM’s were watching (which they normally do) the chemistry between Hemsky and Spezza at the end of the season, would they considering trying to get these guys back together on a line? We are hearing some Teams of interest, but we should keep our eyes on where Hemsky goes as an FA. I know, just adding fuel to the fire, but it makes for fun speculation. Whomever signs him, may be looking to pair them together again. *wink wink*

    • sprucesens

      yeah could be similar to suter and parise type thing. I could see us trying to sign hemsky, without getting anywhere though, without spezza. I think the outcome would have been no different for spezza though, if ryan showed chemistry with him. Spezza did great with hemsky, and it seems neither want to stay. oh well

    • Millennium

      That’s been a knock against Spezza for a while though. He only meshes with a super specific subset of players. Finding him a linemate if harder than your average Centre because he plays so erratically. We’ve tried dozens of wingers with him and none have really clicked except Heatley, Hemsky and Alfie.

    • Hax

      While I still think the Alfie thing sort of needed to happen (we needed to find our post-Alfie identity at some point) I think if you’re playing “what if” it’s better to think what might have happened if Melnyk hadn’t pissed off Alfie (or whatever happened). All rumors of course but it seems:

      1. Alfie was doing his typical wait-and-see (no issues yet).
      2. Melnyk sent a drunk email about how Alfie wasn’t all that.
      3. Alfie gets upset by that and offended, decides to cut ties.
      4. Spezza is aware of all this and sours a bit on the org (maybe already was a bit sour).
      5. Spezza tries to move on as captain but doesn’t find success and his feelings about the org only get worse.
      6. Spezza wants out.

      If for the sake of argument Melnyk had skipped the drunk email and gone directly to the “sign him no matter the cost” approach we could have had:

      1. Alfie re-ups for 1 more year.
      2. Maybe Murray still gets Ryan and MacArthur or maybe just one of those.
      3. Alfie wears the C, Spezza has less pressure.
      4. Team plays better with solid leadership core, all the while Alfie passing the torch to Spezza (or Karlsson).
      5. Alfie retires a life-time Sen, nobody is anti-org, new captain for next year is better prepared.

      I dunno….

  • FistsofNeil25

    Reimer is such a sieve.

    • whammer44

      I know right. He has always looked like a robot to me. Shows very little athletic ability or being able to react to loose pucks. Prediction: In 2-3 years he’ll be out of the league

      • Jakester

        How come the guy owns us, how the HELL can we not beat Reimer when he’s in against us?????

  • Sandy

    I really don’t understand how people seem to know what exactly was said in a meeting, probably behind closed doors..
    But anyway.. losing what was two star players for Ottawa in back to back seasons.. most likely over money and the chance to go to an organization who is committed to winning — doesn’t look very good to other NHL players. The chances of good UFAs signing with this team going forward probably are not very good…
    It could be a hard sell to sign Ryan & McArthur if Spezza is leaving to win somewhere else..
    Both Ryan & McArthur are entering the prime of there careers.. Why would they want to play on a team that probably won’t make the playoffs for at least 3 seasons… be prepared for that…
    Players want to win. They want the organization they play for to be one that has a commitment to win. This team has a commitment to save money.
    Sorry to be negative on this… but it’s just how I feel about the state of affairs with the Sens right now..

    • Zelle

      Both Ryan and MacArthur have expressed wanting to sign with the Sens though. They both said they like the group of guys on the team and see potential and they want to be a part of that. I don’t think Spezza leaving will really affect them if they feel they can help lead this club win.

      • sbs138

        in his exit interview with the media, Spezza also said he wanted to be here next year when asked the question.

    • sprucesens

      yeah, but the rest of the teams are up near the cap already. And they have their own prospects and RFA’s to re-up. If they want to play in the NHL, eventually some UFA’s will have to come here, if they want any kind of money. While we might not be top in spending, we will still be a home to 1 or 2 UFA’s likely every year. Maybe we won’t spend 7-8 mill on 8 year contracts for the biggest names out there, but we might spend 5-6 on the 2nd tier guys for 4 years. I think that’s the biggest thing that melnyk and murray are preaching now. Murray because he doesn’t have a choice, but also agrees that its not the best business strategy right now, and melnyk because he’s cheap and doesn’t want to buy success, he wants to build it.

  • Sandy

    Canada hung on to win 4-3. Lots of good things said about Turris today.
    Seems to be the Cdn forward with the most ice time. Nice to see that Tippett values what Turris’ brings to the team..

    • Zelle

      He was also paired against Jagr, which says a lot imo. Not overly impressed with Canada defense though.

      • whammer44

        Didn’t see a lot of Nucks games but if Garrison played the year anything like he did today…yikes. He was brutal. Not sure why they limited O’Rielly to just the PP when the D was that iffy. Can was lucky to win.

        • Zelle

          Wasn’t impressed with him either. Also Read seemed to be constantly out of position. Guys were always in around Reimer alone even on 5v5.

  • aegiszx

    I’m hoping BM does something big…

    Spezza, Cowen, Prince for Daniel & Henrik Sedin.

    • Hax

      Ew

    • FistsofNeil25

      God no. That would be so short-sighted. The Sedins are slowing down and are set to make 7 million each until they’re 38 years old. That’s a deal that will never happen…hopefully.

    • Sandy

      What? No way..

    • aegiszx

      Just think about how much our GF would go up by… At least 50+ hot damn… Karl feeding the Sedins with Zibby ready to crash the net.

    • Doc

      I’ll quote a fellow poster:

      Ew

      -Hax 2014

    • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

      Ok… There won’t be any trade suggestions I like less than this… Its only Monday put down the bottle

    • whammer44

      No

  • aegiszx

    If we do end up trading with St Louis, in ANY deal, I hope we get back Paarjavi… We really should have drafted him instead of Cowen in 09′ but now could be our chance to get him.

    What sucks is that Ryan Ellis, and Nick Leddy, were still on the board when we drafted Cowen…

    • Doc

      Umm….why?

      There are tons of other guys I’d trade for before MPS.

    • Sandy

      No to Paarjavi… He seems to have really turned for the worse..

    • sprucesens

      yeah, MPS has done nothing but disappoint. Couldn’t even make the top 6 on the oilers. No thanks.

  • Zelle

    Giroux is gaining ground :<

  • Sandy

    Apparently Melnyk is part owner in this venture… This is where the Hard Rock Café used to be on York Street..

    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10152364649327557&set=gm.10152458124914558&type=1

    • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

      In what venture?

      • Sandy

        Did the picture not show? It’s a bar downtown..

        • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

          I don’t see it(on my phone though so could be my end)

    • sprucesens

      I see turris and ryan…… is spezza or karlsson on there?

    • MethotToMyMadness

      Really, what’s the expected opening?

      • Sandy

        No idea.. I saw this on facebook…

  • PaulMacLeansDuster

    A friend of mine who is a big Oilers fan suggested this deal:
    Spezza and Cowen for Eberle and the 3rd overall pick this year.
    The more I think about it the more I would do it.
    Obviously Spezza waiving to go to Edmonton is a big “IF”.
    Let’s face facts.
    Spezza is a very talented 30 year old with a wonky back and defensive issues.
    Cowen, has had two major injuries in his young career. I like his potential but I am not sure if he will turn into a defensive beast like Pronger or a solid defensive defensemen like Hal Gill. Probably somewhere in between
    Eberle will be 24 next season and is locked in for 5 years at 6M which isn’t that bad for a 30-40 goal scorer which is what he is right now.
    The 3rd overall pick should be a great player in a few years.
    As an example, the 3rd overall picks from 2006-2010 are
    Jonathon Toews
    Kyle Turris
    Alex Pieterangelo
    Matt Duchene
    Eric Gundbranson
    Jonathan Huberdeau

    This is good for the Oilers as they would get a #1 center and a young defensemen with potential. They would also be a better team now.
    The Sens would get a top young talent, a top pick who could become the best player in the trade and a few million bucks in cap relief to boot. Obviously they would be a worse team in the short run.
    This also frees up a defensive spot for Borowieki or a potential free agent or trade candidate.

    • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

      This is a VERY weak draft… Get their 2015 1st round pick and I’d consider it.

      • PaulMacLeansDuster

        I’d rather take #3 overall this season then who knows next season, what if the Oiler finally turn the corner and make the playoffs…

        • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

          That’s a bigger what if than if Spezza waiver to go to Edmonton

        • Jakester

          Third pick this year gets you a good player. I’d take Reinhart.

    • Dirk-Diggler

      I’d do that deal in a second!

    • FistsofNeil25

      I like Ekblad and Bennett but I don’t know if either of them would still be there at #3. For some reason I’m not very interested in Sam Reinhart and I don’t know anything about Leon Draisaitl.

      I’m definitely intrigued by that proposal though that’s for sure.

      • Deadly

        As badly as we think he played ,I believe he was even on the plus minus.Only Gryba had better plus / minus numbers on defence. coming back from a serious operation.

    • sprucesens

      I posted a very similar trade to all my oiler friends at the start of the year, with mixed reactions. My trade was spezza, cowen and Anderson for eberle and Nuge. But we could use the pick in place of nuge I suppose since we don’t need a now center if we expect zib to fill the role and turris. They don’t need a goalie now so it would have to change. But I bet that COULD be the groundwork for something. We might have to change out Anderson for another D like Boro. Would definitely get both sides talking. I also pointed out how the oil desperately needed a vet 1C to help lead them, and another Dman, especially one with size. If they could get spezza signed, I bet they would make this trade:
      Spezza, Cowen, Borowiecki for
      Eberle, Nugent Hopkins
      or change nuge for their 1st this year and 1st next year? lol. take them for all their worth murray! I dunno, lots of options with the oilers. They need bottom 6 too, so they could have greening, condra and so on added too.

    • MethotToMyMadness

      I don’t like the idea of moving Cowen, because I hate the thought of giving up on someone who has A level potential. But because we have a log jam on D, where we have Ceci a full timer next year, Borowiecki up on a one way and the emergence of Claesson, I find I’m somewhat ok with it.

      I have to admit I like the idea of Eberle in Ottawa as well, it’s very interesting. I think the Oil would be high on an option like Spezza, even with the young talent they have. The problem is, does Spezza have them on his list?

      Oilers currently have RNH as the top C, and he’s injured more than Spezza, which isn’t good. And with Smyth retiring this year, they have lost a key veteran presence in the group. I think the Oil need to shake it up, they’ve been firing away with this young roster too long and it ain’t working.

      • Sandy

        I really like Eberle.. but Spezza probably wants to go to win someplace.. and that place isn’t Edmonton..

        • Jakester

          This Edmonton team is really on the verge though Sandy.

          • Sandy

            I think the next team Spezza plays for would be in a place where he can walk around and not be noticed…

          • Jakester

            True.

    • Jakester

      I would think that’s a steal for the Sens, we would maybe have to send a tiny little bit more the Oilers way!

      • sprucesens

        yeah, I think we have an extra D we could add in that they might desperately want, or bottom 6, which they also desperately need. Which we have tons of.

        • Jakester

          More like a bottom six young player might make it happen.

    • whammer44

      I would do that in a second…unfortunately theres no chance the Oil would.

      • Jakester

        That’s what I was thinking too!

    • Jakester

      They might do Yakupov and the third overall.

      • PaulMacLeansDuster

        I think they would do it if Spezza agreed to the trade and agreed to an etension. The Oilers need to do something and Spezza and Cowen would fill some glaring holes. What other team in the league can offer them a #1 centre and a young defenceman with potential who has NHL experience. Lowe and MacT need to make a bold move to keep their jobs. At this point they need to break up that team as they are going no where. Murray wouldn’t take Yakupov…I think we all know he isn’t interested in Russians. He hasn’t drafted one since the 90s with the exception of Bashkirov in 2007 with Mucklers scouting staff and he was a complete bust. Yakupov has KHL written all over him.

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    • Deadly

      Spezza swirling..at its most intelligent level.

      • Jakester

        Who said there was room at the INN for this guest?

    • JackPackage

      this is kinda trippy if you scroll up and down real fast

  • Kielbasa

    I really don’t blame Spezza for wanting to leave thus organization. I’d be tired of constantly being the scapegoat for a mediocre team. There is only so much one person can do for a team made up mainly of third and fourth liners. One line isn’t going to win you a cup.

    Even with all the difficulties this team has had in some of the bad years, Spezza has still managed to be be a point a game player. None of the backseat manager trades suggested here or on other boards will bring anything close to what Spezza brings. None of those trades gets you a first line elite centre to build off of.

    So instead of building a proper team with support for your star players, you fill it with hopefuls and maybes down the road? Ask the Oilers how that has worked out.

    Run Spezza Run!

    • Kielbasa

      And Spezza’s injuries over the years, and how the organization has handled things thus far with trade rumours only diminishes his trade value further.

      • Sandy

        I don’t believe the Sens leaked these trade rumours.
        We don’t know where they started, do we?

        • peetypuck

          Sandy, did you call Kypreos?

  • Six1Third

    WHY THE F**** WOULD WE TRADE SPEZZA ARE YOU PEOPLE RETARDED???? your running our captain out of TOWN , you people know NOTHING ABOUT HOCKEY.
    spezza was third in points before his back surgery last year ……HE HAD AN OFF YEAR COMING OFF SURGERY ITS ABSOLUTELY RETARDED …ITS HIS FIRST YEAR AS CAPTIAIN TOO PLUS AFTER OLYMPIC BREAK HE STEPPED IT UP AND HAD THE MOST POINTS FROM ALL OUR FORWARDS WHO ” HAD A GOOD YEAR” THIS MAKES ME SICK TO MY STOMACH , I BET YOU GUYS DIDNT KNOW IN 2002 – 2005 -06 THERE WER HUNDREDS OF RUMORS AND EVERYONE WANTED ALFIE OUT HE WAS IN AND OUT OF NEWS PAPERS NO ONE WANTED THE SWEEDISH CAPTAIN BECAUSE NO 1 THOUGHT HE COULD TAKE US TO THE NEXT LEVEL , I REMEBER PEOPLE HATED ALFIE AND WANTED HIM GONE MORE THEN THIS SPEZZA SITUATION, THEN GUESS WHAT HAPPEND AFTER… LATER ON AFTER WE ALMOST RAN ALFIE OUT OF TOWN LIKE WE ARE RUNNING SPEZZA OUT OF TOWN ,THEN WHEN ALFIE AND THE SENATORS WENT TO THE STANLEY CUP FINALS THE NEXT YEAR ALL THOSE THINGS WENT TO REST NO ONE EVER BROUGHT UP ALFIE AND HE WAS UN TOUCHABLE IN OTTAWA ……. THIS IS WHY I HATE OTTAWA FANS ,,,, THERE THE MOST CONFUSED , MOST BANWAGEN , NO NOTHING ABOUT HOCKEY ,,, WORST FANS IN THE LEAGE

    • Jakester

      Than go be a Leaf fan, Sens fans want a team that competes hard! We won’t settle for less. At least we know that you spell”KNOW” this way!

      • Richard Gough

        Lol Know lol

      • Zelle

        Woo all aboard the banwagen!

    • whammer44

      I guess you had a hard time reading the article where it said that Spezza had asked the team to look at the possibility of trading him…maybe if it was in caps it would have been easier for you to read.

      • Jakester

        Haha

      • jtf927

        LOL! WHOOPS…LEFT THE CAPS LOCK ON.

    • Deadly

      WTF

    • Deadly

      Do you own the worlds first word processor?

    • EK65

      ,,, whAt ..,,., tHe .,… heLL … ,, MaN.,…,

      i fEeL yAh

      • Brandon

        hahaha

    • Zelle

      Did you press shift for all of that or did you toggle capslock?

    • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

      What?

    • Sandy

      A lot of truth in what you say.
      I’m on the side of keeping him..
      But I really believe we are in a minority on that.
      After he leaves… who do these fans turn on next?

      • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

        It’s already started… KARLSSON

        • Sandy

          So he’s next to leave then?

          • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

            Hahaha I sure hope not. I think his current gf is a local girl, so maybe that settles him down here?!?

          • Sandy

            Not if he is constantly ripped apart year after year like Spezza was..

          • peetypuck

            Spezza is too thin-skinned. He can’t handle a little negativity from fans.

          • Sandy

            A LITTLE negativity?

          • aegiszx

            LOL a little negativity?

            Wow… Ok… the guy has been a scapegoat since day 1 that he got here… I’m tellin you, Karl is next…

          • Jakester

            Come on, Karlsson plays his ass off, was just too bad he was playing on one foot this year and the other foot was dragging that anchor of a Cowen around. He’ll be lights out this coming year.

          • peetypuck

            For $7 million a year he should be able to take it. If he was playing for nothing he would have a reason to complain.

    • bruggz

      your the only one that sounds retarded comparing alfie to fucking spezza lol if spezza knew what defence meant i would love him but he doesnt

    • Sensturion

      Spezza isn’t going to resign in Ottawa. Why not cut ties now and actually manage to get something out of him?

    • sprucesens

      i didn’t read your whole caps lock rant, but i can tell you, from all sources, SPEZZA DOESN”T WANT TO PLAY HERE ANYMORE. Why is that so hard to understand? Yes there have been spezza haters forever, and that MIGHT be why he actually wants to leave. Or maybe he’s been here for 12 years, and doesn’t see the light at the end of the tunnel here, but hopes he can find it somewhere else. Realize its not just the team that controls where the player plays, but the player can pick where he wants to play also. Spezza doesn’t want to play here anymore, and the team doesn’t want to take a gamble on him either, given his situation. (age, injuries and so on) So before you go hating everyone and “yelling”, inform yourself on why fans and bloggers are talking about it in the first place.

    • JackPackage

      DO YOU WORK FOR THE REDBLACKS TOO?

  • xiorcal

    I am not saying that it’s not going to happen but i am thinking loudly that speculating on a trade and quoting tweet from nhl ”expert” is a complete waste of time. I have a lot of respect for chirp work most of the time but this kind of post is more hockeybuzz material than senschirp material.

    • sprucesens

      chirp posted the rumours of spezza potential trade 2.5 months ago. This is just in follow up based on all the rumours continuing and pretty much being confirmed by those in the media outlet that are well connected.

  • Zelle

    These Spezza trade talks have brought on a lot of anger and a lot of caps.

  • jtf927

    this was actually an interesting day for sens fans. there were alot of articles talking about potential suitors for spezza as well as trade destinations. although STL appears to have the most to offer (shattenkirk + prospect + pick), i recently wondered about phoenix. i remember way back when the sens were looking at zybnek michalek, as he is a good shut down dman who played alot like a-train. if we could re-sign 9mm for cheap, i wonder if it would provide more incentive for his brother to come and play for us? also, i have heard that a-train will be bought out by the devils. think this is something BM should look at?

    • Mat

      ???? Zybnek Michalek? Re-sign Milan?? TERRIBLE!! You’re living in the past. You do know that Spezza is an elite player in this league, right? He better fetch way better than that, and we better not re-sign Milan.

      • jtf927

        no man, i am not living in the past. it was just a thought that came to my mind, and i wanted people’s opinion. i just think we need a good shut-down dman. 9mm has said that he likes ottawa and wants to stay. i just thought if we could sign him for 2 mill per season he would stick. when healthy, he is a good player. drives the net hard and stays in front. those are good qualities. no more than 2m/season tho, anymore and he should walk.

        • Mat

          Milan is done in Ottawa. Hopefully. He would probably say that Buffalo is a nice place if it would guarantee him a contract after this season.

          As far as a shut down D, I think we are fine with Methot, Cowen and Boro (who’s on a 1 way this year). Then there’s Gryba… What we need is a second pairing D with experience and offensive skills. I don’t blame Sens fans for wanting Shattenkirk.

          Zybnek is not someone I would go after, and particularly not as part of the package for Spezza. He’s not even the player he used to be in his first tour in Phoenix IMO.

          • jtf927

            that’s fair. a deal with st. lu would be my very first choice as long as we get shattenkirk. i just wanted to get a feel for this other idea.

          • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

            Shattenkirk and tarasenko… Take Spezza and run

          • jtf927

            that would be a sick trade. think st. lu would give all that up for spezza? what about spezza and anderson for shattenkirk, miller, and tarasenko?

          • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

            I’ve gotta a feeling we would have to toss something in… What exactly who knows… Would they even consider it… Who knows, maybe… They need more offence to get over the hurdle, they are one of few teams I think could legitimately shelter Spezza and his defensive short comings wouldn’t be nearly as big of a deal

          • jtf927

            spezza + andy + cowen?

          • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

            I’m not sure Andy offers them much that Miller doesn’t. He’s one year younger… Contract is less and one year longer.

            Would Miller be as willing to play backup as Andy?

            Cowen I am so torn on… On one hand I’m ready to give up, but on the other it is very tough to give on someone with his potential and that was at one point highly touted. I think I’m OK with giving him one more season

          • Mat

            Miller is a UFA is he not? He could go elsewhere and St-Louis would be stuck with Elliott as a number 1. If sweetening the pot with Andy would help us fetch a better return, I would do it. Lots of interesting pieces in St-Louis.

            I get why people want Shattenkirk as the main trade piece but to me, St-Louis has centremen to unload and we need to fill a 1/2C void. Not convinced Mika is there yet. Oshie would be my piece. Pretty sure Backes is the preferred C between the 2.

            The thing that worries me is that teams may not be inclined to pay very high for a pending UFA with 1 year left on his contract. I think Ottawa needs to consider a sign and trade scenario.

          • sprucesens

            …for…

          • peetypuck

            St Louis must really want a cup being one of the six expansion teams from 1967. The other teams have all won at least one SC already. Spezza could just be the player to get them over the hump. I can see them being the frontrunners in the Spezza stakes.

        • Sandy

          At least Milan really wants to stay.
          It’s not like there are a lot of decent UFAs knocking on the Sens doors to play in Ottawa.
          You need more than 3 top 6 forwards on the team. Zibby will eventually be one.. but he’s only 20 yrs old. I’m afraid they are going to put him in a position to fail.. rather than a position to succeed — by putting him in the 2nd line centre role.

          • Shibal

            Yost mentioned that the sens were forced to do the same with Turris last season – and he did struggle in producing points. However, because of last season, he had a great season this past year, and I think he can only get better.

            Also Yost thinks that if Zib is forced into top 6 role next season, he may struggle in the beginning, but based on Zib’s potential and abilities, forcing him to play top 6 will only bring out the best in him later on and do wonders for his development like Turris.

          • sprucesens

            i agree with zib getting fully tested this year, might be hard, but better in the long run. But disagree that turris had a tough year the year before. He has been our best forward 2 years in a row now, arguably our best player.

          • Mat

            You know who else really wanted to stay? Philips.. Loyalty only goes so far. Top 6 speaking, give me a choice of Milan or Stone and I’ll take Stone 10 out of 10 times.

  • luckan20

    There is never going to be NHL ready D coming back. We have 8 guys in NHL next season why bring another D. Definitely top pick, prospect and a roster player heading to Ottawa. Or a top 6 forward with a prospect and/or 2nd rounder.
    BM will only move Spezza to a favored destination mutually. Therefore, any idea of him getting traded to Edmonton is out of the question. I am not sure whether Oilers are part of his 20 teams list, if so, then Ottawa will get a good return. It might be a multiple player deal.

  • Sandy

    “F” the Habs…
    Go Oil Kings. What are the chances of them beating Portland in Portland twice in a row.

    • Jakester

      In the Lazar we trust!

    • sprucesens

      watching the game in 15 mins!

  • Spezza for Kadri

    …. is what it will be

    • spgottawa

      Hmmm. The Sens were interested in drafting him but I don’t see them sending Spezza to the leafs. St Louis has been mentioned a lot. Up front I’m assuming Steen, Oshie, and Backes are not available. Any thoughts on Jaden Schwartz?

      • FistsofNeil25

        Schwartz is 21, just had 56 points in his first full season in the NHL
        (excluding the lock-out shortened season), and led the Blues with a +28.
        He’s every bit as untouchable as Oshie or Backes.

    • Deadly

      Give up Leaf fans. Not going to play under your new/ old coach. Nor would your coach consider him his type of player. Too much skill and finesse.

    • FistsofNeil25

      Murray won’t trade Spezza to Toronto unless it’s for a massive overpayment. It will have to be a lot more than Kadri for Murray to pull the trigger and send him to our biggest rival. There will be plenty of teams interested in Spezza’s services.

  • Deadly

    The ice was tilted and then a breakaway. BS

  • Deadly

    The worst lead in hockey. 2 goals.

    • Sandy

      How about a 3 goal lead… Boston stayed home tonight?

      • Deadly

        Flipped over to the Jays..2 run lead.

        • Sensturion

          Jays have no closers.

      • Deadly

        The ole ole almost inspired Lucic?

  • Nicholas Rawlins

    Worst news I’ve heard in awhile, gonna miss the spez.

    • Deadly

      Yes ,breaking news out of nowhere.
      But , he is looking forward to a change..from all reports.

  • peetypuck

    Turris is losing by over 14,000 votes.
    Let’s Go Sens

    • Sandy

      It’s the anti-Sens vote..

      • peetypuck

        Funny, but I’m the only Sens fan that is voting on several occasions.

        • Sandy

          I voted lots and lots. The Turris percentage kept going down and down..

          • peetypuck

            Philly is burying Turris with only 5 votes per 5 seconds. Do you call that an anti-Sens vote? Sens fans are too damn lazy to even vote for Turris and you make smart-ass comments.

          • Sandy

            I voted for Turris… You think it could be more than Philly fans voting?

          • peetypuck

            Can’t you read? They only have about 5 fans voting and they are still burying us.

          • Sandy

            My bad..

        • Zelle

          I voted for a while but yeah it barely made a dent :( seems to be all a popularity contest anyway. A call to arms from Chirp might do the trick.

          • peetypuck

            Nothing against Chirp but do you mean that nobody will vote without his okay? Does everybody here ask him first if they can go to the bathroom too?

          • Zelle

            Um, no… but people need reminders and Chirp has a lot of twitter followers. Where did your insinuation come from?

            “Does everybody here ask him first if they can go to the bathroom too?” Seriously?

          • peetypuck

            I put out a reminder last night but no more than a couple of people responded. That’s what I mean. For several hours, there were only a handful of Philly fans voting. We could of easily put Kyle Turris in the lead but only two or three Sens fans ever showed up for more than a few minutes.

  • PaulMacLeansDuster

    I like Jason Spezza. He’s a magical player. I just think it’s time to move him if you can get a good return. In the end he’s 30 with a history of back problems and a questionable commitment to defence at times. It’s a good time to maximize his return, especially if he doesn’t plan on resigning in Ottawa.

  • Sandy

    So Spezza wants to leave as he is tired of the constant disrespect a lot of this fan base sends his way — and/or — he wants to go where he can win a Stanley Cup — as that’s not happening in Ottawa for quite some time.
    The Sens don’t want to renew his contract for 5-7 yrs at a large salary.. which is what he probably wants. So better to trade him now when the return would be higher than at the deadline..
    Could be any of those reasons… or all of those reasons..

  • sprucesens

    anyone else watching oil kings game? just starting now

    • Sandy

      No too cheap to pay to watch… Just watching Ducks & Kings…
      Keep us posted..

      • sprucesens

        lol…they dropped the puck….

        i’ll do my best

      • sprucesens

        good chance for winterhawks

      • bluebuyyoo

        Radio @ http://player.tsn1260.ca/

        Lazar just scored 1-1

        • Sandy

          Tried that last game.. and it didn’t work…

  • sprucesens

    winterhawks up 1-0

    • sprucesens

      tied!

      • Jakester

        Love that kid!

    • sprucesens

      lazar with the goal!~

    • sprucesens

      damn likely to be called back kicking motion

    • sprucesens

      no goal

  • Sandy

    Penalty late in the 2nd by Edmonton again.

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    • sprucesens

      nice good find!

  • sprucesens

    tied now

  • Sandy

    Now it’s 1-1…

    • sprucesens

      ty

      • sprucesens

        3-1!!!

        • Sandy

          The big issue now is to hold the lead. Not blow it like last night…

          • sprucesens

            yes

  • sprucesens

    lazar shorty!!!!

    • Sandy

      Yeah…

    • Jordan

      What a shot to. Lazar continues to impress me every game i see.

    • Sandy

      Does everyone think that he can really make the NHL next season?

      • sprucesens

        he’s better than everyone in our bottom 6. doesn’t mean he makes it though

        • sprucesens

          unless hoffman and stone are bottom 6 i suppose. but he has probably a higher ceiling with more of a 2 way game than those 2

      • sprucesens

        also he’s playing with 2nd line type players, but is on the 1st PP and 1st PK unit

    • Zelle

      Skill wise I think Lazar is a definite in for the NHL. I’m worried about strength and size wise. We know his reported weight and such but he is still young so I hope the trainers are able to judge whether or not he can compete against larger NHL players without getting injured. That is my biggest concern after seeing what the Oilers are doing to their star players.

  • sprucesens

    3-1

  • Sandy

    Watching the Ducks-LA.. Looks like Jonathan Quick is human after all..
    3-1 for the Ducks.
    Maybe it’s the Kings that come calling for Spezza. Tyler Toffoli please.. Re-unite him with Ceci…

    • sprucesens

      i’d be ok with that. toffoli a d prospect and their 1st…?

      • Sandy

        Sure… But I really doubt they trade Toffoli…

        But if you want something.. you have to give up something…

        • sprucesens

          yeah, but you aren’t getting spezza for b level prospects or bottom 6 players either.

          • Sandy

            Agreed.. there.. especially if more than 1 team really wants him…
            I hate to see him leave.. but I guess it’s inevitable.. I will have to let it go..
            I just want the best return they can get for him.. that really helps this team moving forward.
            There will, however, be short term pain.. in way of no playoffs…

          • sprucesens

            depends on return. we made it last year without him. and who knows what we get back, and the numerous other moves we should make this offseason. I can’t see next season being the same as this year. EIther 2 steps back, or 2 steps forward.

  • TookieIs100PercentRight

    Bye Jason, thank you very much for all your work in the community, with the team, just everything.
    Can’t win with one-dimensional players, we’ll get less skill back but we’ll be a much, much harder team to play against.
    TOOKS100% OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • runningbear1974

      Just thinking…. For the Sens to show they are grateful for everything Spezza has done, what do they have to do? Offer him more money… For Spezza to show he’s grateful for everything the Sens have done for him, what does he have to do?

  • sprucesens

    4-1!!

    • sprucesens

      another great play by lazar with a steal, just about made it 5

  • sprucesens

    if oil kings win, my guess is its between lazar and samuelsson for MVP, if they do that. Possible Jarry in 3rd place

    • Sandy

      Samuelsson appears to be a beauty as well… Drafted by Phoenix…

      • sprucesens

        yeah, i’m wondering about bertolucci. not sure if he is drafted yet. small but speedy. reminds me of hoffman. Uses his speed on every shift and isnt afraid to go to the corners.

      • FistsofNeil25

        If Phoenix enters the Spezza sweepstakes then Samuelsson should be one of the pieces that Ottawa targets.

  • SuckitPhaneuf

    The best trade for us would be

    To anaheim
    Spezza

    To ottawa
    Lindholm
    Silfverburg

    By the way, no one is going to take phaneuf, he is a complete pilon

    • sprucesens

      i think we would be ok with that, but is that enough/too much?

      • SuckitPhaneuf

        I like spezza, but with his one way play and health issues, a solid d man and potential second line winger who happen to be sweedish to make karlsson happy, is a good return

        • sprucesens

          yeah, the more i think about it, the more i like it. its very similar to my nashville trade for josi and forsberg. I’d be ok with that trade for sure

      • FistsofNeil25

        It is way too much. A return like that would blow my mind. If Murray gets a deal like that done for Spezza then we should build a statue of him outside the CTC.

        • zippy

          Now that’s funny. A statue of BM. That return would blow my mind too.

        • whammer44

          I would even help build it if he pulled that off!

    • Jordan

      To anaheim
      Spezza + ?

      To ottawa
      Smith pelley+lindholm+ 1st

      • SuckitPhaneuf

        I would be fine with that too, but I really think silfverburg is going to be a 25 goal scorer for years to come

        • Jordan

          I think smith pelley can do the same but i would love to get fowler instead of lindholm but i doubt the ducks would give him up.

      • whammer44

        That would have to be a big + from the Sens to make that happen. Lindholm and Smith-Pelly are can’t miss prospects and already contributing significantly…

    • Sandy

      Maybe Brian Burke in Calgary…

    • FistsofNeil25

      I would love Lindholm but I have a feeling that he’s the most untouchable defenseman in Anaheim.

      The way I see it, every team has their list of untouchables. A team like Anaheim has so much depth, and a wealth of good young talent, that they can get a deal done for Spezza without giving up any of their untouchable players.

      If I were to guess, Getzlaf, Perry, Fowler, Lindholm, and Gibson would be the players the Ducks have absolutely no interest in moving. Without moving any of those 5 assets, they still have a ton of pieces that could get a deal done.

      I like the way you’re thinking though. If I’m Bryan Murray I set my hopes high and target Lindholm right off the bat. He has the potential to be a top defenseman in the league. A pairing of him and Karlsson could grow together for the next 10+ years and be a dominant force in the league. I think acquiring him is a long shot though.

  • Sandy

    The upcoming 3rd period is so important for Edmonton. Do you think they learned their lesson from last night? Portland isn’t go to go quietly…

  • sprucesens

    announcer going on about lazar now about how focused he was today. came in early and sat by himself focusing on the game

  • SuckitPhaneuf

    We should also be talking about how to get rid of greening and wiercoch, especially if we get couple players back for spezza

    Could we get 2nd round picks for both and parlay them into a late 1st.

    • sprucesens

      greening won’t get you a 2nd. 3 or 4th at best

    • runningbear1974

      I don’t think so… We need big bodies… We have Da Costa, Pageau, Hoffman, even MacArthur and Turris are not big… So, since a bunch of our skilled guys are small, we need to surround them with big bodies…

    • FistsofNeil25

      Greening might get you a 5th rounder at best. Wiercioch definitely has decent value. He’s a young puck mover signed to an affordable contract.

      I’d like to keep Wiercioch unless we can replace him with someone better. He should have been a regular in the line-up this season.

      Greening has got to go though.

    • Pasky

      My dream is to trade Greening+Prince to Buffalo for Stewart. I know Stewart has his issues but he’s definitely better than Greening and only has 1 year left.

      As for Weircioch, I do like his game but we have alot of LH defenders. Ideally, if we can package him with Spezza to get a 2/3LC and a 2nd pairing RH defender then pull the trigger. If Shattenkirk would be available out of St-Louis, maybe go for him and Berglund, add a pick or prospect if needed.

    • Tooks

      Would prefer to keep PW46 and get rid of Mr Slowmo Cowen. Spezza + Cowen could probably fetch you more than Spezza and PW46.

      I dont think we can get rid of Greening, unfortunately…

  • SuckitPhaneuf

    By the looks of it, we might be smart to name Lazar captain

    • sprucesens

      lol, maybe eventually an A. i’m hoping when he’s playing, we still have turris and karlsson and ryan and so on, on the team

      • FistsofNeil25

        You never know. Lots of young players get named captain after their first pro season. Landeskog, Toews etc

        Maybe Murray’s plan is to have Phillips wear the C for the next two years and then pass it along to Lazar? Who knows.

        I’d like to see Karlsson and Turris get consideration but to be honest I don’t think either of them are quite ready to lead the team quite yet. I think Turris is closer than Karlsson. Karlsson still has some growing up to do.

        • Tooks

          “I’d like to see Karlsson and Turris get consideration but to be honest I don’t think either of them are ready to lead the team quite yet. I think Turris is closer than Karlsson. Karlsson still has some growing up to do”

          Exactly this ^^^ but I get crucified for saying it, lol.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Is there anyone worthy of wearing the “C” when Spezza is traded?

            Phillips
            and Neil are spare parts at this point, or at least they should be.
            Both players should have minor roles with the team. Giving either of
            them the captaincy would be a mistake. They just aren’t good enough
            players and they aren’t a big enough part of the team.

            Karlsson
            is obviously our most important player. He has the ability to be one of
            the very best players in the world. What we saw this year though was a
            player that has some growing up to do on and off the ice. He’s my
            favorite player and I love the guy, but he’s still a kid and I don’t
            think he’s captain material quite yet.

            Turris has turned into
            maybe our best all-round player. He really doesn’t have a whole in his
            game. He’s shown some leadership qualities this season and last, and
            clearly learned a lot from Alfie while playing together. The problem is
            he’s going to have another year of development this season as he tries
            to become a legitimate first line center in the NHL. There’s enough
            pressure on his shoulders as is. Do we really want to burden him with
            the captaincy already?

            Ryan, Methot, and MacArthur could also
            enter the conversation but I doubt any of them are A) given the C over
            Turris or Karl and B) given the C before their next contracts are taken
            care of. It remains to be seen if any of these three have a future here
            beyond next season.

          • s3nsfan75

            No captains for a year or two, all A’s

          • FistsofNeil25

            I think that would be the best way to go.

          • s3nsfan75

            seeing whammer’s comment above, i like Turris as a choice, but I think at least not until next season when we see what he can do as a full time 1C.

          • whammer44

            Of all of them, I would go with Methot (if he re-signs). Turris looks like the future captain but I agree absolutely no need to put the extra pressure on him…yet

          • Tooks

            I dont think there is an Captain worthy players at the moment on the Sens, giving it to Turris or Ryan or Cmac when they havent even been in the org for 3 years would be a huge mistake. Karlsson seems like the best option but he’s known (to the refs atleast) to be w whiney kid (same as Turris). He would have to grow out of that before he gets the C.

            Methot? He hasnt been around long either but would probably fit the mold, but he’s had issues with seeing eye to eye with Maclean in the past…

            Neil, no….God no, we would be the laughing stock of the League to have a goon as Captain…

            Phillips is the only choice and probably the one the Org will make, especially after the Alfie and Spezza disasters…To my HUGE regret, Phillips will probably be Captain for the next 2 years…

        • sprucesens

          true, I see turris as the frontrunner, but that’s must me. But I ponder if giving one of these players like karlsson, maybe puts it in their mind that they have the C on the front, so they need to grow up, and not act the way they have. just a thought

  • sprucesens

    10 mins left in oil kings game. 4-1. game 7

    • Sandy

      It’s going to be a looooonnnnng 2nd half of the 3rd period… They can’t give Portland life..

  • Sandy

    Appears Edmonton took a late penalty with about 4 min to go… Damn…

    • sprucesens

      4-2 now. not sure if i agree with the penalty..

      • Sandy

        Take a deep breath and focus….

        • sprucesens

          2 mins left TO portland.

          • sprucesens

            50 seconds…

  • sprucesens

    FTW

  • Sandy

    Edmonton WON…. Congrats to them.
    Now makes the Memorial Cup more interesting with 2 Sens prospects in the tournament..

    • FistsofNeil25

      What’s even better is that the Memorial Cup games are usually broadcasted on national tv so we can all watch!

  • sprucesens

    hahahaha, they like their commissioner as much as we like bettman. The Boo’s rain down…

    • sprucesens

      … and the building is empty, with only the oil kings celebrating now. lol.

  • sprucesens

    wow, reinhart with the MVP

  • Mat

    Looking forward to seeing Lazar win the Memorial Cup…. : )

    • Spezza for Kadri

      … Ben Harpur leading Guelph to the MC would be fine too

  • jtf927

    if we traded spezza to anaheim, do you think it would be possible to re-acquire silfverberg as part of the deal?

    • FistsofNeil25

      To be honest I think there are other players I would prefer over Silfverberg. He’s a smart player and he’s got a nice release and all but he’s kinda soft and I’m not sure he has the ability to elevate his game when the going gets tough.

      • WaitingSince92

        Like you, there are other options I’d prefer, but Silfverberg is anything but soft. Aside from his release, I thought his best attribute, ESPECIALLY for a youngster was the way he handled pucks along the boards. Would keep or gain possession very well and hold his own against bigger players.

        This is only his 2nd season, so it’s a little early to say he can’t raise his game for the playoffs.

        • jtf927

          i absolutely agree. he had an awesome wrist shot and was a great two-way player. i remember him during our playoffs against the habs and he was not soft player at all. i was sad when i saw him traded and would be thrilled if we got him back. gotta think zbad and ek65 would be happy as well.

    • Tooks

      I wouldnt want him back, he’s become a perimiter shooter, too many times I see him with a great chance to cut inside and he goes outside.

    • Senatollah

      What i heard was he was drafted based on influence by Alfie, and once Alfie bolted it was a push from the org to force JS33 in the deal to get Ryan. If Alfie stayed it would have been a different deal for Ryan. Again, just something i heard, TIFWIW

  • s3nsfan75

    Funny, i thought someone (or a couple people on here) said that the Oil Kings wouldn’t win in Portland. It’s a damn good thing the games are played on the ice and not on paper based on statistics.

    • Sandy

      That was me.. mainly because of the win percentage that Portland had at home.. and they had only lost 3 games since the first of January

  • aegiszx

    Rangers push the Pens to 7, Habs push the Bruins to 7, and Alfie’s Sens could barely get 1 win out of Pitts in the second round. Yep, out with the old leaders (Alfie, Spezza, Neil, Phillips) and in with the new ones Turris, Ryan, Mac, Karl!!!!! I want a winning team!!!!

    • runningbear1974

      Is there any way we can trade Neil? Or/and Phillips? Could we get anything for them?

      • Tooks

        Sticks and pucks?

        • sprucesens

          wooden sticks only, and practice pucks. lol

    • Sandy

      If you look in the East and which teams made the playoffs… which of those ones don’t make it in the playoffs next season.
      With no Spezza (probably) and no Hemksy or Michalek… that will leave quite a young bunch of forwards. They will not contend for the playoffs next season..

  • John Holmes

    Rumors swirling…empty with no content.

    Those are the best rumors.

    • SensChirp

      Pardon?

    • 383

      Puff puff pass eh Holmes?

    • Hax

      Do you have a special internet browser that forces you to Senschrip.ca for some reason? Or are you just generally opposed to free stuff like articles written for Sens fans to pass the time in the off season?

    • s3nsfan75

      When information is confirmed, ie: it has been confirmed that BM has spoken to teams about Spezza, then it’s no longer a rumour.

      Just sayin…

      • Aaron 2.0

        I don’t deny the accuracy of the information. Too much is pointing in the same direction for there not to be any merit to it. But, confirmed by “sources” or confirmed by “people close to the team” probably still qualify as rumours, at least to me. If someone won’t go on record, those accounts will ultimately bear some questions of credibility. I understand why these people can’t go on record. And, I understand why reporters need to protect their sources. And, in this case, we have too many different accounts to be ignored. So, I agree, we probably all agree, there’s definitely something to the rumours this time.

    • Doc

      John Holmes comments….empty with no content.

      Those are the best comments.

    • zippy

      Leafs fan?

  • Tony

    Hearing that Edmonton is currently on the list of 10 teams Spezza doesn’t want to get traded to. The Oil hope that come July 1st Jason will exclude the Oilers from the revised list of teams. (It appears the limited NTC asks Jason to provide a list of 10 teams he doesn’t want to be traded to on July 1st of each year of the deal)

    • Doc

      Yes, the list is per year, so it can be changed.

      Doubt he will change his mind though.

      • Tooks

        Yeah doubt it, he’s not going to do the Sens any favours.

    • Tooks

      Well ya thats no surprise there, I can say with 99% conviction that he doesnt want to go to EDM…

    • Sandy

      If he leaves he will probably want to go to a contending team.. or a team that is very close to contending. Why would he want to go to another re-building team?

  • Tooks

    Just an update on my Turris watch at the WHC. 3 games in and only 1 goal and 1 assist. Playing on avg 20 minutes a game (tops for FW’s). He was a bit better in the last 2 games but only averaging 2 shots a game.

    We will see if he can step it up vs the better teams in the tournament.

    What I’m seeing is a distrubing trend in 3rd periods, the team, not only Turris is not getting any shots on net (9, 5, 5)…Need to fix that asap coach!

    • FistsofNeil25

      Well in game two vs the Slovaks he was named Canadian player of the game. In yesterday’s game he was used in a checking line role with Chimera and Read to go up against the Jagr/Hertl line.

      I’m pretty sure he’s meeting the coaching staff’s expectations over there right now. There are a ton of players over there who haven’t contributed much of anything at all. Schenn, Huberdeau, Kadri, Scheifele etc have been invisible. Turris is making an impact almost every time he’s on the ice whether it’s in the offensive end or defensive end.

      If you’re basing the level of his performance based on goals and assists then you either aren’t watching the games or you aren’t aware of the role he has been deployed in.

      • Zelle

        Watching the game yesterday, the defense is the most concerning for Team Canada, not the offense. They are getting stuck in their own zone, defenders often losing their players or allowing opponents to be alone in front of the goaltender, and failing to clear the puck from their zone. Not sure how Tooks expects the forwards to have shots on goal when the team can’t seem to get the puck out.

        • Tooks

          And I did mention that, they struggle in Def zone, especially in the 3rd periods. 1st and 2nd periods are fine, averaging 9 shots a game, just not much from Turris, avg 1 shot per period.

          • Zelle

            He has a goal and an assist, is an overall +3 and 7 SOG while playing against the top lines with brand new line mates. He plays on the PP and on the PK. No penalty minutes.

            You guys just keep comparing to Spezza but they are not comparable players. I like Turris and he will be a fine 1C. Maybe I can think this way because I accept that he won’t be a point a game player during the regular season and I’m fine with that.

          • s3nsfan75

            I’d rather have a .75 ppg 200 ft player than a 100 ft player and 1.00 ppg

            And seems to me Turris is pretty clucth in the playoffs, when it REALLY matters.

          • sprucesens

            yes, THIS^^^. When he needs to step up, he does. Rather than disappear and peeter off. He gets it done

          • Tooks

            Where was he the last 15 games of the season where we needed him to make the playoffs?

            Listen, not arguing he wont be a 1C, eventually, I just dont think he’s rdy for it next year.

          • FistsofNeil25

            He had 11 points in the final 15 games.where we went 9-5-1. I’m pretty sure he did his part. Last I checked the season was 82 games long, and for the majority of it Turris and MacArthur were our two best players while many others were no-shows.

          • Tooks

            I agree, MM9, Zib and the entire bottom 6 never showed up.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Neither did half our defense and most importantly, our captain. He was invisible until the midway point of the season. He was trying to battle back from his surgery and had shit wingers, but he was still invisible.

          • Tooks

            Yep, I agree, he wasnt at his best but can hardly fault him for that, alot of things out if his control and trying to play the way the coach wanted him to.

          • FistsofNeil25

            But as you said it’s the #1 C’s job to produce right? No excuses? At least that’s what you’re saying in regards to Turris.

          • Zelle

            Last 15:
            Spezza: G6, A7, +/- -6, SOG 43
            Turris: G4, A5, +/- +5, SOG 19

            I’d say he was there contributing like his usual self in the last 15 games.

          • s3nsfan75

            Again another point that shows Tooks doesn’t actually have any facts behind his arguments, just speaking out of his ass being his usual Troll self

          • Zelle

            He is also consistent no matter who his wingers are. Even in this tournament: 2 points over 3 games gives him .66 and a +3. If he gets an assist or goal next game that puts him at his usual .75 and probably a +4.

          • Tooks

            Sorry but he’s had some pretty good wingers in Ottawa haha…And yes I think the Sens brass are watching this tournament closely so people that think this is irrelavent tournament are idiots. Its one of the toughest test he could get other than being thrown right into 1C and we saw how he struggled at it.

          • Zelle

            I didn’t think he struggled at 1C. People look at point production like it’s the be all end all of how good a player is. He struggled at pointing up points and that was it. This year he didn’t. I look at the overall game of a player and then add stats to the discussion.

            I haven’t seen all of the tournament so far but from what I’ve seen Turris has been good. The team as a whole doesn’t seem to click yet and that is the real problem. Even then though they are winning games.

            Turris has had some good wingers and some not so good wingers. He got a winger that people thought were going to be so-so but excelled with him. He got a rookie winger who also seemed to excel with him. Good, bad, new, average wingers and one thing remained consistent: Turris’ performance.

          • Tooks

            Turris has played mostly with CMac, Ryan, Alfie and Silf.

            Apart from Silf, thats pretty good company. What did he do in Phoenix with subpar wingers…exactly.

            I dont doubt he can his 60pts but can he do it as 1C consistantly. I hope he does, cuz we will need it IF Spezza goes.

          • s3nsfan75

            exactly? to what, to 4th line mins and how old was he? Age is often an argument for you, contradict yourself much?

          • Tooks

            Not sure what your saying but, ok?

            We are comparing wingers, poster was arguing he could play with anyone, obviously not.

          • s3nsfan75

            man, he was 19 or 20, played 65 games and scored 25 points, that is the only close to full season he played in Phoenix, your argument stinks go find better points to argue.

            and you’re not sure what I’m saying? I’ll clarify, you….Tooks, made an argument that he can’t play with anyone and asked what he could do with crappy wingers, well in his 1 and only season in Phoenix on a 4th line roll and his first season he put up 25 points, and a plus 16. Yeah that’s f*ing terrible.

            You argue without looking at all the details. Your arguments are pointless and useless.

          • Zelle

            He played with Conacher, Stone, Greening, Mac, Ryan, Condra this year. He didn’t get Hemsky and only got Ryan after it didn’t work with Spezza. When Mac was having a breakout he was switched to Spezza, but then back to Turris when it didn’t work out.

            Stone: rookie
            MacArthur: surprise career year, wasn’t expected to be this good
            Conacher: many here think he’s not worth much of anything
            Ryan: second choice of center was Turris, not first

          • Tooks

            At the end of the day, when all is said and done, scoring is all that matters. You can be the best player at whatever else but if you dont score, you’ll get replaced by someone who will. Turris has been growing well in the 2C, I still think he’s a year or 2 away from taking over at 1C.

          • Zelle

            “At the end of the day, when all is said and done, scoring is all that matters.” If you truly believe this then you must think Pittsburgh and Boston must be looking to unload Crosby and Kreijci, respectively, as soon as possible because they suck at scoring goals and getting points in these playoffs.

            Also Turris does score goals. Just not to the point a game plateau, but even then he’s close enough to be a 1C and he’s even closer to a point a game in the playoffs.

          • FistsofNeil25

            It all depends what your expectations are. If we were a cap team trying to contend, I would be all for keeping Spezza and trying to develop around him with Turris killing it as our 2C.

            Unfortunately, we’re a budget team and all we can expect is a budget result every year until our financial standing changes.

            Is Turris ready to be a #1 center on a contending team? I would say definitely not, but he’s all we got now see we have to hope that he can help lead us to at least a playoff spot.

            At the end of the day, it doesn’t matter whether our first line center is Spezza, Turris, or someone else. If we don’t improve the rest of our roster this team will just continue to just be mediocre to bad.

          • Sandy

            Well… if Spezza is traded.. Turris will be the #1 centre in Ottawa next season.. because the Sens will not get back a #1 centre in return for Spezza… That’s the facts.. live with them.
            So Tooks will be all over this site next season.. trashing on Turris..

          • Tooks

            Well we need to make the playoffs first… I never argued he was a bad playoff player, I agree that he is clutch but no playoffs, doesnt matter now does it.

          • s3nsfan75

            that was an on top of being a 200 ft .75 ppg playey, comment. Pretty good of you though to realize that a team needs to MAKE the playoffs first…

      • Tooks

        “Schenn, Huberdeau, Kadri, Scheifele etc”

        Playing 12-13 minutes a game and have the same amount of pts (Kadri, Schenn) as Turris who plays 20. I dont care about the role, obviously he’s 1C, if you play 20 minutes a game, you are counted on to score and produce for your team.

        If the other guys who play 3-4-5 minutes less than Turris can produce, then Turris certainly can aswell. But he’s yet to show it. You think its gonna get easier in the NHL as 1C, he’s gonna have to put up 70+ pts consistently for us to be competitive. I have no doubt he can do that but I dont think its next year, nor the year after that. I hope I am wrong.

        • whammer44

          Comments are fair enough. I think 65-70 pts is where I would project Turris. If he can combine that with being defensively responsible, 55% in the face off circle then I’m happy.

          What we would need is the 2nd Center to have similar point totals. Biggest issue is to have both of the top 2 lines to be plus players since they get the majority of minutes.

          • Senatollah

            lets keep hoping he can have career year after career year after career year after career year after career year after career year after

        • FistsofNeil25

          And there is a reason he is playing that many more minutes than the other players. He’s the best all-round forward on the team. Kadri and Schenn don’t have the same amount of points as Turris either so that’s a weak argument.

          Turris is also facing the toughest competition on the team as he’s expected to go up against the oppositions best players every game.

          If you’re basing your opinion solely on Turris’ goals and assists and not any other factors then your opinion is an uneducated one.

          I agree with you that Turris may not be able to put up 70+ points in the NHL next season. I would actually be surprised if he did. Next season is going to be an absolute grind for him. There’s no denying that.

          Unlike you, I don’t use three preliminary games in an irrelevant tournament to gauge what level Turris is at. Even so, if you have actually been watching the games over there you would have noticed that Turris, along with MacKinnon and Ward, have been by far Canada’s top three forwards thus far.

        • sprucesens

          my god tookie, leave it alone. Spezza has rarely put up 70pt seasons. Most top C’s are capping out at 70 points. 60 isn’t really a big difference. Turris has done just fine against NHL competition, and has consistently been our best forward the last 2 years. Go troll elsewhere

          • Tooks

            Spezza put up PPG or damn close to it, even if it was only 40 games, he had 37pts…etc, Turris is nowhere close.

            Not bashing Turris at all, just pointing out facts of the games he’s played so far. Playing 20 minutes a night and being counted on for almost every game, I would expect a bit more production.

            If your trying to tell me Turris is playing well, then you can say that for Huberdeau, Kadri, Chimera but they do it with 12 minutes…

            Just expecting a bit more is all, especially IF he is to be 1C next year.

          • s3nsfan75

            No, not at all….go back and read the stuff you actually wrote lmao

      • Zelle

        Mackinnon also sucks he only has one goal, one assist and a +1. Pretty shitty for “the rookie of the year and future 100 pts scorer.” -Tooks

    • s3nsfan75

      quick Turris sucks trade turris.

      • Tooks

        Ya for MacKinnon! sigh…

        • s3nsfan75

          Can’t trade Turris for a player not yet even draft elligble.

          • Tooks

            “Can’t trade Turris for a player not yet even draft elligble”

            Huh? Well your kinda right, MacKinnon is not draft eligible as he’s already been drafted and played for the Colorado Avalanche last year. You know, the rookie of the year and future 100 pts scorer.

          • s3nsfan75

            Stand corrected, busy day at work, was thinking MacDavid…my bad

    • Sandy

      The announcers said that Turris is being used as the checking centre. That means he is going up against the best on the other team..
      He is not playing sheltered minutes…. Which will be what happens in Ottawa if Spezza is traded..

  • Tooks

    As for the Jason Spezza returns, we either get a mid to late 1st round pick and a roster player. Or simply 2 roster players and no pick.

    We wont be getting a top 10 1st round pick for JS19 + a roster player + a prospect. Murray may want that but nobody will give that up for a 1 year contract and potential FA at year’s end.

  • Captain Karl

    Most people are thinking Spezza for multiple assets but I think it will be more like Spezza + for one really good player

    • 383

      I think people forget that:
      A) Spezza will be allowed to talk extension with whatever team it may be, thus increasing his value.
      B) There will be a bidding war. Despite what Tookie will tell you, more than 1 team is interested in Spezza. I would argue that 3 or 4 teams are truly in on it. (My guess is Ducks, Blues, Preds for sure, based on rumors and trading history with these teams.)
      I really believe that BM will stand pat on a pick, prospect and roster player. Anything less is a disappointment.

    • Rafi Bomb

      Aside from Malkin and Weber, who are you thinking of?

      I could see Spezza being put in a package to return a few good NHL players like:

      LA: Mike Richards and Dustin Brown with salary retained
      Phoenix: Martin Hanzal and Keith Yandle
      Winnipeg: Evander Kane and Andrew Ladd or Dustin Byfuglien
      St Louis: David Backes+ or TJ Oshie+ or Kevin Shattenkirk+
      Pittsburgh: Kris Letang and James Neal or Chris Kuntiz
      Philadelphia: Brayden Schenn and Wayne Simmonds
      Colorado: Ryan O’Reilly+

  • thirstytraveller

    Send him to Long Island in a deal structured the same way that Yashin was traded. Spezza for Strome, Hamonic & Cizikas. Just a hint of irony here.

    • Tooks

      Probably on the list of 10 teams he wont accept.

  • esk

    Keyword in McKenzie’s tweet:
    MAY. Last week’s interview, coach said he would like to keep spezza .. “At
    the same time we’re still in the process with Jason where we need him to work
    on making some changes in his game to make us a better team.” I believe this is where the issue is…..this is such a huge mess…why would you want to be captain (commit long-term) and then want a trade? what about the sens..why name him captain when you know his style of play?

    • FistsofNeil25

      They were hoping the captaincy would give Spezza the push he needed to be a better all-round player.

      • Tooks

        Thats a pretty stupid way to go about things dont you think? Why would Spezza all of a sudden become a defensive gem cuz he has the C?

        Spezza never really had any major troubles defensively before, he’s a career +54 player, all of a sudden his +- drops to new lows and we all wonder what happened to his defensive game? We should be asking questions to the coach who obviously tried to change his game and it backfired.

        Sure surrounding him with competent wingers would have helped, thats why I though with Hemsky and Zib or with CMac his defensive game was fine.

        Hopefully we can get a top 4 D or a top 6 player, anything else doesnt help.

        • FistsofNeil25

          They weren’t expecting him to become a defensive gem, they were just expecting him to be a better all-round player, not a Selke nominee.

          And really, “Spezza never really had any major defensive troubles before….”, REALLY?! Spezza has been critisized for not contributing defensively his entire career. From the day he played his first game until now, that has been the biggest knock on him, So really?!?!?!

          • Tooks

            Ya and he still put up a +54 rating despite it, what I’m saying is we werent losing games because of Spezza’ lack of defensive skills. We were winning games because of his offensive skills.

      • Mat

        Meh, they never gave him a chance to settle into his captaincy, really.
        He’s been given a shitty deal. Why we expect him to be Bergeron is mind boggling to me. Hemsky arrived on the Sens too late in the season. Had he been there earlier, we might all be singing a different tune right now..

        • FistsofNeil25

          Again, no one expected him to be a Selke nominee like Bergeron, they just expected him to be better.

          I agree that they never gave him an opportunity to grow into his captaincy, but a lot of that is on him as well. He’s the one that has asked to be traded. So yes, the organization didn’t give him time with the “c”, but he has also given up as captain as well. There’s both sides to this story.

          • Tooks

            Well ya, I agree IF that is the truth, IF Spezza asked to be moved, its because he doesnt want to change his game at this point in his career and doesnt feel like the Sens can compete for a Cup on a budget before he retires, these players know alot more than we do about the feel and direction the team is going. Funny Alfie thought the same and was right.

            Says alot bout the Management when our 2 previous Captains and best ever players, decide to go elsewhere rather than stick it out.

        • Tooks

          Ya no kidding, watching that line play was killer! Too bad it came too late.

        • Zelle

          It would have been nice if Hemsky was brought in earlier in the season. They probably expected Ryan to fill the gap on the RW it just didn’t pan out. If he wants out after just one year of captaincy though he probably feels that it didn’t live up to his expectations. I’m sure if he wanted to stay Murray would sign him and he would remain captain and 1AC with Turris being 1BC.

        • Rafi Bomb

          Bergeron wins Stanley Cups and Gold Medals. His style is very conducive to winning in the playoffs. Why wouldn’t you want your captain to play like that?

          • Hax

            There is a difference between “want” and “expect”.

          • Rafi Bomb

            Maybe the organization feels that the only way we can win is by having all the players on the team play a hard 200 foot game. It appears to be the style of play employed by all the elite teams an those organizations have tended to build rosters which are either primarily or completely filled with players that are conducive to that style. Therefore if we expect to have any chance of winning, we must expect all of our players to adapt their games, or be replaced. I think management hoped that they could get Spezza to adapt his gamer, but he is shown throughout his career that he is very committed to his current style and isn’t going to alter that much for any coach.

          • runningbear1974

            If you look at Boston’s team… They got rid of Thorton, Kessel, and Seguin… All excellent players, all lacking in the right defensive attitude…

          • Rafi Bomb

            The Bruins also play a very “team oriented” game. Julien utilizes a 5 man attack and roles 4 lines. The play is very structured and prevents any one player from doing too much. Maclean seems like he is attempting to emulate that approach, which will likely lead to increased playoff success. The primary issue with that is that players like Spezza simply don’t fit that system. They are high risk players and they need a lot of slack from the coach and the ability to play a “run-and-gun” game to maximize their offensive production. They will simply refuse when asked to backcheck hard, block shots, dig pucks out of corners, go hard to the net, take hits to make the play and finish their checks consistently. Therefore if those players an unwilling to adapt then the organization is forced to replace them with players that better fit the system and style of play expected by Maclean.

        • runningbear1974

          I don’t think they were expecting Bergeron, but I do think they were expecting a little bit more progress in the defensive development… At the very least, stop and go back after you pass the puck to the other team…

      • esk

        It’s only been a year though lol…first year back from back injury..he had no wingers pretty much the entire season…and alfie left. He still had a ton of points. We better get an amazing return or everyone here is gonna be crying for the next couple of years….

        • Tooks

          I expect alot of crying… Not sold on the high price tag, Spezza wont bring in a 1st (top 10, 15-30 most likely) + a top 4 or a top 6 + a high end prospect.

          Its either gonna be a combo of 2. And our need is on D, So I would prefer a top 4 D (Shattenkirk/Fistric/Josi) + a high end prospect.

          • s3nsfan75

            So….um? you know this for sure? source?

          • FistsofNeil25

            One what planet can Mark Fistric be mentioned in the same breath as Josi and Shattenkirk?

          • http://batman-news.com bob

            Spezza is a PPG player, #1C, he’s our best player, why wouldn’t he command a high price tag?

      • runningbear1974

        Spezza has been part of the leadership group for years now… I believe he told management that he’s ready to lead… So management trusted him, and gave him a shot… I think Peter Regin said he was ready to play, and so the management trusted him and gave him a shot… I believe that Foligno said he could be a 2nd line winger, and so management gave him a shot… It seems they’re willing to let you try and fail, and then figure out what to do with you…

    • runningbear1974

      I love this stuff… Interesting trying to interpret what someone is really saying… I think Spezza says good stuff like “I want to win the cup”, but if you ask him what he needs to do to win a cup, I’m pretty sure his response is “Just keep doing what I’m doing because it’s awesome”… Whereas if you were to ask the coach what needs to be done to win a cup would be something like “team defense, team playing together as a unit, stuff like that”…
      Spezza has been part of the leadership group for years now… Maclean has repeatedly said he relies on the group for leadership, not just the captain… So, this isn’t the first time that he’s been asked to lead… And I use the word “ASKED” to lead… I think after making Spezza the captain the coach started “DEMANDING” that he leads by example… And, that’s why there’s conflict…

  • Don Ciccio

    If we trade with Nashville, I would want something like this.
    Spezza + Wiercioch +2nd
    for
    Josi + Forsberg + 1st

    • FistsofNeil25

      We won’t TWO quality pieces like Forsberg and Josi. If Spezza were to agree to a sign and trade with Nashville then maybe, but even then I highly doubt it.

      Nashville is giving up too much in that deal in my opinion. If we’re trying to be realistic..

      • Mat

        Sign and trade would have to be part of it but lets not forget that the offer presented includes Wiercioch who is far better than has ever been given a chance in Ottawa… I like the offer.

        • FistsofNeil25

          Yes Wiercioch is a quality asset but Josi is a 23 year old top pairing #2 defenseman locked down long term for a bargain contract. Forsberg is an A level prospect and Nashville’s pick is #11 overall.

          That’s a TON of quality for Nashville to give up.

          • Mat

            Fair enough. But how many top line C’s are available right now? How many teams need one? Maybe they can re-up Matt Cullen then. Or Mike Fisher.. Wait, who’s the #1 C over there?
            If Bobby Ryan can fetch Silfverberg, Noesen and a 1st, I think Spezza could fetch the return stated above.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Only time will tell I guess.

          • Tooks

            Well actually we didnt give up much for Ryan, basically a 1st overall as Silf and Noesen are pretty much unproven still. Silf still on the fence in Anaheim, not playing much and probably not atop the roster chart with the emergence of Cogliano, Bonino, Smith-Pelley, Maroon.

            Josi is much better value than Silf and you can argue Forsberg has more value than Noesen and the 1st rounder is pretty much the same.

            So Nashville would be giving up alot more for a 1 year rental with extreme injury pronesess.

          • s3nsfan75

            basically a first overall? yeah, cause prospects are worthless in the NHL no one EVER trades them, only proven players get traded in the NHL

          • Tooks

            Here I’ll make it easier for you:
            Josi > Silf
            Forsberg > Noesen
            Picks are same.

          • s3nsfan75

            done replying to you, you make ridiculous comments over and over, you ignore facts and statistics to suit your own arguments.

            I’d tell you how I really feel but you’d go cry to your mommy.

            Troll

          • The Apostle

            The major differences are that Ryan was 26 about to hit his prime years and signed for 2 years and has been relatively healthy. Spezza will be 31 when we trade him, has only 1 year on his deal and you do have to be concerned about his injury status. I think Spezza should get us two decent pieces, but not 3 unless we add something to the package.

          • Don Ciccio

            Not that I think that Josi is expendable but he will probably be a #3 in Nashville behind Weber and Jones so I think that Josi would be the guy that they would sacrifice in order to get someone of Spezza’s skillset. We would also be giving up Wiercioch whom I like but I don’t think Maclean likes that much and a 2nd. Forsberg at this point hasn’t been able to live up to expectations whether it be with Washington or Nashville. Also, that package above is with the assumption that Spezza signs long term.

    • sben

      I would love for that to happen but I don’t think it will. They’re giving away too much for something like that to happen. If Murray managed to get that I would go nuts. Spezza isn’t worth that much.

      • Tooks

        Yeah Murray would be on another level of genius if he can make that happen.

    • sprucesens

      yup I’ve posted this trade a few times, but I don’t think we get a 1st, but mayyyyyybe since you’ve added the 2nd.

  • Bob19

    Send spezz to Calgary for Johnny gudreau, Sven , wootherspoon. Come on Burke you owe the sens one and being a sens fan Iiving in southern Alberta I’d love to see spezz dishing cammi

  • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

    If Pittsburgh loses we should trade Spezza there for Malkin and crosby… Forget the pick.

    • FistsofNeil25

      Maybe throw in Greening to even things up a bit.

    • Tooks

      The way Crosby is playing right now, I’d take Neal instead! :P

      • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

        Well if we add Greening, the rights to michalek and how about Philips… I am sure that’s enough to get all three… If not I guess we can throw in Condra too

        • Bob19

          I don’t see why not it’s not like Calgary is losing any roster players gudreaus played 1 game Sven could use a change of scenario wootherspoons played maybe a handful of games. Calgary would get a legit 1 line centre a good 1 2 3 punch with spezz monorail backlund. Sure they lose a little depth but still have tons with klimchuck and jankowski(haha) plus probably draft Bennett this year. Win win in my opinion

        • Tooks

          Would be very close but to tip the scales in our favour I think 2 big mobile-nasty-skate like the wind- D-men like Gryba and Cowen could do it!

          • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

            They don’t have too many prospects I like, you think if we gave them Ludwig Karlsson we could trick them into sending Ollie maata over too? And another mean sounding d in Blood…. I mean how many teams can say they have blood in their pipes.

    • Zelle

      I’d take Malkin flat out. He’s always been my favorite Penguin and he’d have a shot at being #1C in Ottawa instead of being behind Crosby.

    • Rafi Bomb

      I think there is a better chance that they move Malkin then Crosby. With that said, I would trade S[ezza + for Malkin if he is available. I would also consider Spezza+ for either Neal and Letang, or Kunitz and Letang.

      • jtf927

        definitely either kunitz or neal + letang. kunits and neal are more grittier players and would seem like the player BM wants and envisions for this team. imagine having a top pairing of karlsson-letang. that would be amazing. i could see kunitz or neal on our second line. would give us alot of options.

  • Millennium

    Interesting note in Spezza’s NTC: “player can submit 10-team no-trade list EACH SEASON from 2011-12 through 2014-15.”

    This was something I had posted about previously, wondering if he could change his list each year, and evidently he can. So assume his list is current.

    • Hax

      I wonder if that is limited to July 1st or 365 days after the previous list etc. I would assume so and that might mean Murray would sort of treat that date as a soft deadline. I’m sure Murray has a good idea if there are any teams that Jason has changed his mind on. i.e. if for some reason his list doesn’t block Nashville right now but he’s expecting his next will he might focus a bit on Nashville now while he can.

      Then again, it’s Murray – I don’t think he’s going to try and force Jason to go somewhere he doesn’t want to go. Unless the price is really better.

      i.e. “Hey Nashville, it’s June 29th. In two days I get Jason’s new list and you guys will be on it – if you want him better act fast and up your offer.”

  • sens88

    Just having some fun and jotted down some potential trades for Jason. It will be interesting to see what deal actually gets done!

    To St. Louis: Spezza, 2nd
    To Ottawa: Shattenkirk, Rattie

    To Nashville: Spezza, Gryba, 2nd
    To Ottawa: Ellis, Wilson, 1st

    To Toronto: Spezza, Weircoch
    To Ottawa: Gardiner, Kadri

    To Colorado: Spezza, Gryba, 2nd
    To Ottawa: O’Reilly, Holden, 1st

    To Anaheim: Spezza, Gryba/Weircoch, 2nd
    To Ottawa: Silvferberg, Lindholm, 1st (theirs)

    To Edmonton: Spezza. Condra
    To Ottawa: Eberle, 2nd

    To Phoenix: Spezza, Weircoch/Gryba
    To Ottawa: Yandle, Samuelsson

    To Florida: Spezza, Gryba
    To Ottawa: Gudbranson, Bjugstad, 2nd

    • Sandy

      He is NOT going to Toronto. Murray was mad enough at Alfie for going to a key division rival.. do you actually think he would trade Spezza to Toronto? Not a chance.
      There are better players to be had elsewhere in the NHL..

      Although I do like that Florida return….

      • Hax

        In a way that’s too bad since I think Toronto is most likely to overpay. But I agree, I’d have a hard time accepting a trade to Toronto. I do not want to see Spezza burn us 4 or 6 times per year. (Even if he helps us win a few games with turnovers.)

        Though I do like the chances of Dorion picking some jewels out of the leafs org that they don’t realize they have.

      • sens88

        I do think Murray would trade him to Toronto if they offered the best return by quite a margin. Say JVR, Gardiner, and a 1st. It’s not going to happen though.

    • sprucesens

      I like all those trades, except I prefer my version of the Nashville one, for josi and Forsberg. But I don’t think your trades are all that out to lunch. I like that you included a D in most of them, as we have too many, and most of the deals seem to fill a need for each team listed. well done. O wait, I don’t like all the trades. I don’t want to send, or take anything form the leafs. Unless they give JVR and 3 1sts, I want nothing to do with the leafs.

      • sens88

        I don’t want to trade with them either, but Toronto has been mentioned so i included it. I would go for the St. Louis deal or Colorado, but I think there is little to no possibility of ever getting O’Reilly. Apparently Roy loves him

    • Deadly

      While you are jotting these down for future reference,please remember Tooks takes for future checking.

    • The Apostle

      I like the trades from an Ottawa perspective but that’s because I think you have a tendency to exaggerate the return.

      • Hax

        I agree the returns all look sweet but for the most part they’re good starting points. No reason to offer a “fair” trade if you’re expecting a bidding war.

        • sens88

          I was definitely thinking from an Ottawa perspective, but I don’t think most of them are completely one sided. Gotta dream big guys! lol

          • Hax

            No not completely but would all qualify as “Ottawa wins” I think. As I said, realistic enough to be starting points IMO.

    • jtf927

      in terms of preference, i like (1) anaheim, (2) edmonton, and then (3) st. lu. florida is a close third.

  • Sandy

    So St Louis traded for Miller/Ott on March 1st.. So they basically had both of them for close to 2 mos.. as both are UFAs The return for Buffalo was quite decent — although in Buffalo’s case they were just after the picks…
    Jaroslav Halak, forward Chris Stewart, forward prospect William Carrier, a first-round pick in the 2015 NHL Draft, and a conditional draft pick.

    The Sabres say they will receive the Blues’ first-round pick in 2014 if St. Louis advances to the Western Conference Final or if Miller re-signs with his new team.

    The return for Spezza won’t be 3rd or 4th line players or bottom pairing D.. it has to be something decent.. or he stays..
    The team taking him will have him for 1 full season — a lot more than the 2 mos St Louis had Miller & Ott… unless they re-sign of course..

    • sprucesens

      yup, this is exactly it. We aren’t trading him for no name nobodies. We’d sooner keep him and lose him for nothing than do something stupid like take people’s C level bottom 6 players for him. Murray will get very close to what he wants from the teams that are interested. St.louis, Nashville, Anaheim, Edmonton as top targets for us, but not necessarily for spezza’s choices. Can’t wait till the playoffs end, with the habs losing of course, so we can get this all sorted out

      • Jakester

        Sens aren’t going to keep him, pretty sure of that. There will be no turning back now. Murray will have to weigh the deals and take the one that makes the Sens the best that they can be. One thing is for sure, we have Lazar coming!

        • Hax

          Yeah I have to agree. Keeping Jason into training camp is really not going to be a good idea. Unless Jason has an epiphany and changes his mind AND convinces MacLean and Murray that they should continue to build around him.

          • Deadly

            If that happens he better have Hemsky in his back pocket. finding wingers for him have been a bit of a distraction over the last few years. The easiest year was when he was out for most of the year. Ya the year we made the playoffs despite the injuries.

    • sens88

      Agreed. We all know the sens need a top 2-3 Dman. We have way too many 5-6-7 guys as it is (based on this year’s performance Phillips,Gryba, Weircoch, Cowan), so if they are looking to get a defenceman a the centrepiece in a trade for Spezza, it should be a Shattenkirk/Yandle type of player, or a younger guy with the potential to become a top pairing guy (Lindholm, Gudbranson).

  • Sandy

    Here’s an interesting stat:

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    1 – The @EdmOilKings are also the first team in history to win a WHL Final Game 7 on the road (10 previous games were won by the home team)

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    @CurtisLazar95 congrats to you and the @EdmOilKings on taking the west. Now finish the job. #memcup

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  • Deadly

    Great videos on the oil king site today including Lazar’s shortie ( top corner) last night.

  • sprucesens

    love the tweets about lazar. No wonder everyone loves having the kid on the team. He works hard and leads on and off the ice.

    • Jakester

      Thx for the updates during the game last night!

      • sprucesens

        did my best, and was excited to watch

  • peetypuck

    I think I have an idea what Bryan Murray is trying to do.
    He is building this team to win the Stanley Cup in 2017. That just happens to be the NHL’s centennial and Ottawa and Montreal are the only original teams. He is already trying to get the outdoor game that winter against the Habs. This is going to be a very important year of celebration for Canadian fans, especially Sens and Habs.

    • Hax

      When does Murray’s contract extension run out? Are all the stars aligning?

      LOL – I’m sure you partly kidding but I do think he’s planning a few years ahead.

      • peetypuck

        No, I’m not kidding. 2017 is three years away. Lehner and the defence should be experienced enough to take on the best in the NHL by then. Our top two lines should be well experienced too, hitting their prime. Murray will try to have them at their peak by then with the blessing and money of Eugene Melnyk behind him.

        • Hax

          Okay us peaking in 2017 is reasonable but you can’t honestly believe that Murray is targeting/waiting for that year just because it happens to be the centennial?

          • peetypuck

            Why wouldn’t the Sens want to win the cup in 2017? Canada celebrates our 150th birthday. The government is planning big festivities. The NHL turns 100 and the new Sens will celebrate 25 years back in the league. This is going to be a very prestigious year for any Canadian team to win the cup….bring back the cup after a 20+ year drought. Remember how the Leafs went all out in 1967, our centennial, to win?

          • Hax

            SIGH

            I’m not suggesting we don’t want to win a cup in 2017 or any other year. But it SEEMS like you’re suggesting that Murray thinks winning that year is more important than any other year – i.e. that he might be “waiting” until that year to make a run.

            If what you really meant was that it just so happens Murray will our team peaking in 2017 then that’s different.

          • peetypuck

            Sorry about that. I think he wants to win any year possible but building a winner takes time and the Sens should hopefully be starting to peak by 2016.
            If he trades Spezza and in a separate deal trades our 1st pick for two proven top players we will know that he is ready to start contending next year. By 2017 the team should already be one of the top contenders.

          • peetypuck

            If Murray wants a contender in the next two years how about this scenario?
            According to the status quo Spezza is traded to St. Louis for Shattenkirk. That bolsters our defence. Then, considering that a lot of people do not think the Sens will make the playoffs again next year he trades our #1 draft pick for 2015 and maybe a young d-man (Gryba, Wiercioch, Borowiecki,Claesson) or two to say a rebuilding team like Calgary for Giordano or Cammalari. Or to Carolina for Jeff Skinner. Etc.
            That gives us two proven star players by only giving up Spezza and an excess d-man or two. Without Spezza and Michalek’s salaries he doesn’t change the internal budget of the team either while putting us in an excellent position to compete next year and giving the team time to ease Lazar and Peumpel into the roster.

  • Jordan

    Hearing the Blues more and more likely for spezz.

    • Jakester

      If you could add in that weird smile that moves it would be classic!

    • Rafi Bomb

      If they are willing to give us Oshie, Backes or Shattenkrik+ then we can make a trade. Otherwise the Blues don’t have anything that would interest us enough to make a trade.

      • Sandy

        Jaden Schwartz… Roman Polak… and I guess their next 1st round pick is in 2016. If they traded this next year’s to Buffalo and a conditional pick if Miller re-signs which is this years first rounder.. Am I right on that?

        • Rafi Bomb

          I completely forgot about Schwartz. He would be a good target as well.

    • Sandy

      Just doesn’t look right.. Same as Alfie in a Detroit jersey…

    • WaitingSince92

      Hahahah, that’s awesome!

      Had to photoshop him into the captain’s sweater too, huh?

      Gave me a good chuckle

  • Simple Jack

    and we give away another top player for peanuts by driving him out of town with stupid media speculation… how dumb.

    • sens88

      Who’s saying they’ll give him away for peanuts? It’s not a Healtey situation where he has a full no trade clause. The Sens have the opportunity to shop him to 19 different teams, so I’m fairly sure Murray will be able to make a deal that will be positive for the Sens long term.

      I do agree that Spezza has been treated unfairly by the media and fanbase at many times during his career here, but he’s just that type of player. You either love him, or you hate him.

    • Deadly

      When did we last give away a top player for peanuts?
      Number 11 chose to leave a t the end of his contract..no peanuts involved.
      Top players..Fisher, Kelly,

    • Jakester

      Sniff,sniff,sniff!

    • s3nsfan

      Yeah, I’d love to have #19 for another 7 years @ 49 million with 3 more back surgeries, that, that would be AWESOME.

  • MakesSens

    I don’t know if it’s already been mentioned but, I know it’s HIGHLY unlikely but

    To Florida: Spezza

    To Ottawa: 1st pick

    what would be your thoughts?

    • Deadly

      We need to do better than that. A draft choice is good but we need players who are ready to play this year.

    • Jakester

      Spezza-Cowen for the first and Huberdeau and I ‘d be interested.

      • jtf927

        yeah. i would think this trade would be more appealing for both sides. spezza alone is not worth the top pick. spezza-cowen yup, and we would need another player in return.

      • Sandy

        Sooner would have their first and Bjudgstad

        • Jakester

          Bjugstad is going to be another Greening. Huberdeau will be a game breaker.

    • Rafi Bomb

      This draft is too weak. We would be looking for a 2015 first plus a few good prospects.

  • luckan20

    With Florida, I will welcome 2014 top pick, Bjugstad and Kulikov for Spezza, Wiercioch our 2nd.

  • Dirtysweetness

    Just cause everyone is throwing out their trade proposals…
    Ottawa/Dallas
    Spezza for Chiasson and Oleksiak

    • Rafi Bomb

      That could be a interesting return. If we make a trade with Dallas I think we would be looking for some combination of Jamie Oleksiak, Brett Ritchie, Alex Chiasson, Valeri Nichushkin and Antoine Roussell

  • FistsofNeil25

    Okay so just for fun – assuming Pittsburgh loses this game and decides to shop Malkin this summer like it has been rumored, what would you guys offer up in order to acquire Geno?

    Ignore the fact that Pittsburgh likely wouldn’t trade him, Melnyk could barely afford to pay him, and he probably wouldn’t waive his no-movement clause to come to Ottawa.
    Malkin is obviously one of the best players in the world and in order to acquire a talent like him you have to draft one or give up a king’s ransom in a trade.

    So what would your offers be Sens fans?

    • Deadly

      Absolutely no interest..no matter who owned the team and how much money we had.

      • FistsofNeil25

        no? why not?

        • Deadly

          Only my opinion but he doesn’t strike me as a great team guy. He often looks uninspired and moody.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Fair enough. He always performs though. It would be pretty exciting to have a player of his caliber in a Sens jersey.

          • Deadly

            Might have something a little bit similar on defence . I think he wears 65 and dangles, passes and always is smiling.He and Lazar will be pretty exciting .

          • Zelle

            I like Malkin because he’s enough of a team guy to be willing to play behind Crosby despite him having so much skill, also he always seems to perform in the playoffs. I’m not sure about the team thing to any extent though, I agree he does seem moody lol

          • Sandy

            The opposing team starts hitting him a lot.. he just disappears…

        • jtf927

          malkin tends to float alot, and seems to disappear when the going gets tough. i would not want him on the sens…very much reminds me of heatley. sutter + letang would be my targets. sutter plays an awesome two way game. he reminds me of chris kelley and mike fisher. that’s what we need.

          • Zelle

            I would say no to Letang simply because we already have an offensive minded defenseman in Karlsson.

        • s3nsfan

          Because if you play a team that hits a lot and tough on the forecheck, he becomes a giant CRY baby and takes stupid retaliatory penalties, or is no where to be found.

          Thanks, but no thanks.

          • FistsofNeil25

            I agree with the retaliatory penalties but he sure as hell doesn’t disappear. He leads the Penguins in playoff points almost every single year and has a Conn Smythe trophy for playoff MVP with his name on it. He’s an extremely physical player himself.

      • runningbear1974

        I agree with you… Don’t want to be top heavy… Better to have a good team rather than a couple of good players… Get guys who play a style that is sustainable… We need to be smart about our strategy… Put the money towards good defense and good goalie…

    • Doc

      Nothing.

  • Rafi Bomb

    Phoenix is an interesting trade partner as we could look for more established players in return such as a package of Martin Hanzal and Keith Yandle or we could go the prospects route and look for a package of Henrik Samuelsson, Max Domi, Michael Stone and possibly a 1st round pick.

    • Sandy

      Antoine Vermette. Can play centre or wing.. and can kill penalties…
      I would like him back in Ottawa as part of a package…

      • Rafi Bomb

        I would take Hanzal over Vermette. I would also take that prospect package instead as well.

        Vermette would be okay as part of the return but I don’t think he is a good player to target.

        • WolfInSheepsClothes

          Would LOVE to have Vermette back!!!

          Spezza+Cowen+2015 2nd for Vermette+Yandle

      • Doc

        No.

  • Sandy

    Rangers/Pens game getting down to the wire. About 5 min left. Rangers winning 2-1/. Pens are all around the Ranger net.. But Lundqvist is standing tall…

  • Sandy

    Pittsburgh’s toast.. Yeah…

    • FistsofNeil25

      Now we just need Boston to finish off the Habs tomorrow!

      • Sandy

        And Chicago to finish off the Wild.. LA & Ana.. I really don’t care who wins that..

        • Zelle

          Go Ducks!

      • The Apostle

        We absolutely need Boston to finish off the Habs, because I can’t see the Rangers doing it.

  • Zelle

    Henrik is a beast. What a goalie.

  • Sandy

    Another pure hit from behind by Matt Cooke again. Looked pretty brutal. He got 2 min.
    They give this guy too much leeway at times…

    • Hax

      It’s funny. With Pommenville, Cooke and Heatley it should be really easy to hate the Wild. But I really couldn’t care less about them. Hit was brutal of course but why should anyone be surprised?

  • Sandy

    F the Wild…

  • Sandy
    • Zelle

      Disgusting. Why is he allowed to play hockey?!

    • s3nsfan

      God he is a disgusting piece of work, true to his word though, certainly didn’t change the way he plays after his suspension, jack ass. Someone needs to teach this guy a lesson.

  • Mitchell

    For Jason Spezza

    Nashville = Colin Wilson & Filip Forsberg + 1st Round Pick

    Anaheim = Andrew Cogliano & Emerson Etem + Conditional 1st if Resigns, 2nd Otherwise (2015)

    St. Louis = Magnus Paajarvi & Ty Rattie + Conditional 1st if Resigns, 2nd Otherwise (2015)

    Not exactly Huge but I think we can get those outta Spezza but add a player of our own and I could see us getting more

    • Jakester

      I like those for the most part.

      • The Apostle

        I like them too, but I still think a lot of people are going to be disappointed with the return. I think we are looking at two very solid pieces rather than three (that may change of course if the team we trade him to already know they can lock Spezza down for a new contract).

    • Sandy

      No to Paajarvi… That’s not a big enough return from St Louis…

    • Pasky

      In the St-Louis trade I would replace Paajarvi with Berglund. I think he’s the odd man out with Backes and Sobotka taking care of 1LC & 3LC respectively, and it makes the trade more even for both teams.

      For Nashville, I think Forsberg is close to being an untouchable for them. If they do trade for Spezza, coupled with the Trotz firing, this team will transition into a more offensive playing style compared to a defensive shutdown. If that’s the case, then they need to keep Forsberg since that’s their best offensive prospect.

  • jtf927

    gotta wonder about the changes ahead for pitts and if they will possibly be in the hunt for spezza. i would take sutter + letang for spezza + cowen. also makes you wonder if they will trade fleury.

    • Sandy

      Could Jonas Hiller end up in Pitts with Fleury in Vancouver?

      • jtf927

        i could actually see fleury going to van. i heard on TSN that pitts brass will not trade fleury b/c they want the stability in net. while he is not a goalie for the playoffs, he is definitely good for the regular season.

  • Phoenix

    Ok seen a bunch of proposals out there. If and when Murray moves Spezza he will be looking to bring someone in who can replace some of Spezza points but bring the other intangibles as well. Personally I’d be hoping for an Eberle, Nurse, 2015 2nd for Spezza and Cowen. Murray would still need to address the back end but at least it opens a spot there while getting another young winger. Its also a win for Edmonton as it gives them a solid 1-2 down the middle with a quality young dman now instead of having to wait for Nurse.

    • Millennium

      Edmonton hangs up laughing. Seriously. Cowen is not a “quality young dman”. He’s now a reclamation project. And 1 year of Spezza wouldn’t get you Eberle straight up in a million years, let alone their prime D prospect and a pick.

  • Dirk-Diggler

    Would you guys trade…

    To Pit:
    - Anderson
    - Weircioch
    - Gryba

    - 2015 2nd

    To Ott:
    - Letang
    - Fleury

    • Hax

      I don’t want Fleury. At all.

      • Dirk-Diggler

        How about…

        To Pit:
        - Stone
        - Weircioch
        - Prince

        To Ott:
        - Letang

        • Doc

          We need a defensive D, not another puck mover.

          And Melnyk wouldn’t touch that contract if his life depended on it.

          • Dirk-Diggler

            I want D that can move the puck in any situation. I am sorry but having to put Phillips on the PP is an absolute atrocity in my eyes.

            PP1: Mac-Turris-Ryan, Hoffman-Karlsson
            PP2: Michalek-Zibanejad-Lazar, Ceci-Letang

          • s3nsfan

            You also have Weircoch and Weidman coming, we don’t need Letang, period. We need a power forward, at least 1 to help balance scoring after 16-7-6

            that is of course IMHO

        • John_Q_Spartan

          No.

    • s3nsfan

      Not a chance, Fleury is damaged, no way, no how, I don’t even want Letang. We have Karlsson, Ceci, Weircoch (as of right now) and Chris Wideman (weid?) who had 54 pts in Bingo this year, that is 4 puck moving defencemen. That’s a pretty good pool of puck moving d-men. I would hope Murray could land a power forward this club has been missing, a prospect and a pick, and hey if the sens can’t land 3 pieces, there’s no reason Murray can’t keep Spezza.

      • FistsofNeil25

        “…hey if the sens can’t land 3 pieces, there’s no reason Murray can’t keep Spezza.”

        They’re at the point of no return now. Spezza’s gone for the best package available. Do you really think he’s going to return to team after requesting a trade? Do you think his teammates would want him back as captain? And still, I don’t care what the return is, we have to trade him for something, anything, than lose him as a UFA for nothing next summer.

        Keeping Spezza now would be a major distraction for the team next year. You don’t want a player on your team that doesn’t wish to be here anymore.

        Spezza will be traded for the best offer. I don’t know if it will happen before or at the draft, or if it will happen in early September before training camp. There’s just no chance he’s back in a Sens uniform next year.

        • Sandy

          There are not giving him away for 3rd & 4th line plugs or bottom pairing D.
          If they don’t get what they want.. I think he starts the season in Ottawa and is traded when some contending team runs into injury trouble..
          This isn’t Dany Heatley moping around because he didn’t get his way.. Spezza has more class than that..

    • FistsofNeil25

      I think Letang and Fleury are worth wayyyy more than a package of Andy, Wiercioch and Gryba, but that the same time, I wouldn’t make that trade from the Sens point of view.

      Fleury is still young and has an opportunity to turn his career around somewhere other than Pittsburgh. I would rather see what Lehner can do with the chance to be a starter in Ottawa before we look elsewhere for goaltending help.

      Letang is okay. He’s really talented but a lot of Pens fan can’t stand the guy because he makes a lot of terrible decisions all over the ice. Add the fact that he’s a bit of a rat and he’s not a player I want in a Sens jersey. Letang also comes with a 7.25 million price tag until the year 2020. That’s not a contract I would want to touch. I would rather see the Sens add a 7 million dollar forward, not a defenseman.

      The reality is, Eugene wouldn’t take on 6 or 7 million in salary in that trade either. So no to that deal on all accounts.

      • Dirk-Diggler

        I admit that I don’t love Flower either and having him in the deal is only a benefit for Pit’s cap crunch.

        As for Letang though I don’t think he’s a rat at all. I think he’s a terrific player and is a super dedicated guy on and off the ice. He’s also a guy that can skate almost as good as EK. So having a 1-2 punch of EK and CL on the right side would be deadly.

        The cap isn’t that big a deal to Melnyk. He will have to spend the money to get to the floor (or just above) anyway so who cares how it’s allotted. Also, having Letang in that deal allows the Sens to trade Spezza for other offensive players or keep Spezza and try to sign Hemsky. Imagine how good that PP would be!

        As a full season ticket holder I want to see entertaining games and an entertaining lineup.

        • FistsofNeil25

          I didn’t say he wasn’t dedicated. When I say he’s a rat I more or less mean he’s a dirty player. Watch him out there and you’ll see he takes a lot of cheap shots.

          Also, I don’t think it would make our powerplay all that much better. He made Pittsburgh’s powerplay worse, hence why they removed him from the top unit in favor of Niskanen.

          A lot of the Pens fans I know want Letang gone. They don’t like him and don’t think he’s worth his contract. I don’t think he’s worth that contract either. He;s a good player but he’s still over rated.

          As I said, there are only so many big contracts that Melnyk will agree to having right now. I would rather spend that 7+ million on a dynamic forward than Letang. Letang would also take the spot in the line-up that Ceci is expected to grow in to.

      • s3nsfan

        He would if they were able to maintain the budget.

      • MethotToMyMadness

        As much as Pitts say he’s ok now, I would be really concerned with Letang’s recent health issues. He’s missed a lot of games since 2010-11.

        • Dirk-Diggler

          It’s like the stock market… buy low!

    • John_Q_Spartan

      No way does Pittsburgh do that trade.

    • whammer44

      I don’t see why either team we do this. Letang, unfortunately, has health issues to consider as well.

    • Sandy

      NO

  • runningbear1974

    I think this is funny… From some other article… “We don’t want a defensive defensemen, because that means a bad defensemen”… I agree… All defensemen should be able to do defense, and some of them are also able to pass the puck to their teammates… That’s what we want… Not a defensive defenseman nor an offensive defenseman…

    • FistsofNeil25

      yeah that was from Yost. If we go out and pick up another Cowen, Phillips or Gryba I will absolutely shit myself. That’s the last thing we need.

      We don’t need an offensive defenseman or a defensive defenseman by trade. We need a guy who can play heavy minutes 5 vs 5 and also contribute on the powerplay and penalty kill. We need a dman that is the full package. He doesn’t have to be amazing, but he has to be good in all areas.

      • runningbear1974

        Someone with poise under pressure…

        • Zelle

          Yes I think that is what killed the team against the Penguins last year. The D just completely crumbled under heavy pressure.

      • 010101011111110101010111111111

        30 year old Gonchar

      • Don Ciccio

        R. Josi

        • MethotToMyMadness

          I like what Josi brings, but he’s been playing with Weber and that may have made his star shine a little brighter than normal. He’s still much unproven at this point. I’d be more interested in a guy like Shattenkirk. He’s proved himself in the league already, can play both the offensive and D, and on the PP. I’d say he is probably the most all around complete, and it works because St. Louis is high on Spezza’s list and I wouldn’t be surprised if St. Louis is high on Spezza after this years playoff performance. They may have realized they cannot do it all with only Backes.

          • Don Ciccio

            I’m actually not sold on Shattenkirk and have heard that the system they play makes him look a lot better defensively than what he really is. Also, I would preferably want someone to play with Karlsson and not behind him.

  • FistsofNeil25

    I’m really excited about Lazar, but if I remember correctly another player that the Sens had interest in at the draft was Anthony Mantha. Is anyone aware of what Mantha accomplished this season for Val D’or?

    57 goals and 120 points in 57 games during the regular season.
    24 goals and 38 points in 24 playoff games

    That’s a goal per game!!! Almost unheard of!! It looks like Detroit found themselves another gem in the draft.

    • Millennium

      Mantha was who I was hoping we would draft because he was considered the best goal scorer in that draft year. I’m stoked for Lazar, but Mantha seems like he’s gonna be a force.

      • The Apostle

        I wanted Mantha because he had the best name. I am happy we got my second choice.

    • Zelle

      Agreed I like them both. Too bad we only got one but I’m stocked for Lazar.

    • whammer44

      There is some questions about his level of effort as its not always consistent…which is why he was drafted in the lower part of the 1st round. Definitely a natural goal scorer but based on what we know today I’m glad we took Lazar.

      • FistsofNeil25

        Me too. Lazar could end up being the type of player we’ve always lacked
        in the past. I think there’s a good chance that both Lazar and Mantha
        end up being two of the best players in their draft year.

        • peetypuck

          I think the 2013 draft was able to satisfy a lot of teams with the quality and quantity of top prospects. I really liked Mantha, Kirby Reichel and Curtis Lazar in the mid-selections.

    • Sandy

      Well I believe they will be competing against each other in the Memorial Cup…

  • whammer44

    Just read Garrioch’s article that says..

    “As required in his contract starting on July 1, 2012, Spezza has given the Senators a list of 10 teams where he can be dealt every year. You have to think four or five those teams are Canadian markets”

    I was under the impression it was 10 teams he wouldn’t play for?

    If this is the case it seriously diminishes BM’s ability to drive up his value…and I’m not so sure 4 or 5 of those teams would be Canadian markets. His article insinuates he didn’t like the pressure of being the lightning rod as captain and wants to play where he can be somewhat under the radar. To me this is a contradiction.

    • Dirk-Diggler

      It means the only Canadian team that JS19 would be OK with a trade to is TO.

    • SensChirp

      Think Garrioch has it backwards in that article

      http://capgeek.com/player/409

      • whammer44

        Ok I’ll go with Capgeek…thanks. Kind of a big mistake for Garrioch to make in his piece!

        • SensChirp

          He has since changed the article. Just a typo, I reckon.

          • whammer44

            Sloppy, as its a factual part of the article…I assume the printed version is still incorrect.

          • RUSH RLZ

            That is Bruce and the Sun for you. We all knew long ago that it is not even suited to collect dog droppings. Their NHL crew their can suck it.

    • Sandy

      I don’t agree with 4 or 5 teams are Canadian. I think we can eliminate Calgary, Edmonton & Winnipeg. Probably Montreal as well.. as that’s a big fishbowl.
      Vancouver? Maybe.. but they have nothing I would want in return.. Toronto.. Murray is not sending him there.
      I think Spezza wants to win… and other than maybe Montreal.. which Cdn team is closest to winning the Cup.. vs some of the teams in the US?

  • MethotToMyMadness

    Stricklands tweet about St. Louis being high on Spezza is like music to my ears, especially if we are going to lose him anyway. St. Louis found out this year, after losing Backes for a short time in the playoffs, they have nobody down the middle that can take over in his absence. This leaves the door wide open for a guy like Spezza to jump in and be that 2nd level guy, hell.. he could even end up sharing 1st line C.

    St. Louis will play hardballl at first, but I think BM can work out a deal, that will be very good for the Sens. If the offer is still a current player, a prospect and a 1st round, St. Louis has those available in spades. The only issue, the 1st round won’t be that high, as St. Louis will be expected to finish top of the standings again. Even more reason to unload it I guess, unless they have a pick in their pocket from another team, from a previous trade, but I haven’t looked over what they have in the cupboard.

    That being said, it would make it much easier to go after a guy like Shattenkirk who would be the prime piece in the return to Ottawa. I have a hard time seeing St. Louis parting with any of it’s young core top 6, so our dreams of a guy like Schwartz or Tarasenko as part of the deal won’t happen. Although a rookie like Rattie is interesting, I just think Ottawa has enough rookie players in it’s system already. Maybe we could even ask for a veteran guy like Ott as part of the package, to replace Milan who more than likely isn’t coming back.

    • Dirk-Diggler

      Can sign Ott for free on July 1st and he’s a ‘hard forward’

      I’d love to get Shattenkirk and Rattie for Spezza. That would be a solid return

      • Tooks

        Yes thats more realistic, we aint gonna get the pick ontop of that.

    • SensChirp

      What’s interesting about that tweet is he’s actually saying that Spezza is high on St. Louis. Not sure if it was just awkward wording or if that’s what he meant to say.

      • MethotToMyMadness

        That is true.

      • Doc

        That’s the way I read it too.

        Either way that’s good news for us.

        • SensChirp

          But then he goes on to mention injury issues, which would be a concern for St. Louis not Spezza.

          You can tell it’s the off season. Careful analysis of a 140 character tweet haha

          • Aaron 2.0

            Haha. That’s funny you mention this, Chirp. I read it and thought the exact same thing. The first part seemed to be Spezza on STL. And, the 2nd part seemed to be STL on Spezza. Was that just poor wording choice? If so, it might point to a great match. While the 2nd option (tweet was more carefully worded) points to a greater hesitance on the part of STL. Like you said, probably hard to read into 140 characters or less. But, it made me turn my head for a 2nd look, and basically say “wait, what?” while reading it.

          • Tooks

            Well its no secret, every team knows Spezza WILL miss alot of games if signed to a 3-4-5-6-7-8 year contract. Thats going to come into play on wether we get a top 4 D or a top 6 FW.

          • Senatollah

            was the 7 games “alot” this year? or is it 7 actual games missed, 20 playing hurt that hampers outcome…Will miss Spezza

          • Tooks

            No its the 138 games he’s missed the last 5 years. Compound that with recent back surgery and lingering groin issues. No question he’s productive when he plays but he is going to start declining very soon because of those injuries and playing out West, I’m afraid for his health! LOL

          • Senatollah

            you should tell him how you feel this Saturday at the rally. make a big sign or something.

          • Sandy

            An off-season of training rather than re-habbing will help Spezza going into next season.
            He can help a contending team — maybe a lot more than some of you think he can..

          • Doc

            No kidding, and it will only get worse until this is all resolved.

            It is exciting though. Haven’t been this eager about a potential trade in a long while. Could be a defining moment for the franchise in a lot of ways.

    • whammer44

      Ott is going to be a FA but I would love to grab Sobotka along with Shattenkirk. Best face off guy in the NHL this past year. He would fit in great at 3C.

    • The Apostle

      I would be much happier with the centrepiece of any Spezza return being a top 2 blueliner rather than a top 6 forward.

      • Sandy

        If Spezza, Hemsky & Michalek are all gone from the team.. that leaves only 3 experienced top 6 forwards. Zibby is good but he is still to young..
        Another top 6 forward would be welcome…

  • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

    Wow Lazar sounds like an absolute stud in that interview… So composed

    • The Apostle

      I believe Bryan Murray has requested we refer to him only as Curtis lazar FCm from now on.
      Future Captain Material

  • whammer44

    Lundqvist has won all 5 of the game 7′s he’s played in with a .965 save %…thats totally nuts.

  • Millennium

    Interesting news in Chirps tweet. If teams are allowed to deal with Spezza ahead of time for a sign and trade, that is going to drive the competition really high. It will pit the teams looking for a 1-yr rental against teams who will pay good money for a sign and trade for a 1C on a decent term contract. This could end up being much more lucrative than the deadline-esque return originally projected.

    • SensChirp

      It’s so hard to tell, really. Was trying to think of a similar deal to this one and I don’t know that there is one. Do teams like Anaheim and St. Louis want a long term commitment? Are they really willing to give up a bunch of assets if they only see a one year audition?

      And then who are the teams that would be willing to commit long term?

      • 383

        That’s exactly what I’ve been saying.

        Say a team like Florida, who is rumored to want to get another “star” player to get asses in the seats as well to quicken the rebuild process offers Spezza 7M over 8 yrs or 8M over 8yrs and trades us something like Kulikov or Gudbransson, Hurbedeau and 2015 1st for Spezza and Gryba?

        It’s not that far off when the team is allowed to talk extension AND there is a bidding war. Yes we tend to over value players on our own roster, but it seems to be right place, right time for this sort of trade.

        It’s definitely a seller’s market for a top 10 center in the league.
        Hell, look what the Rick Nash Package did for CBJ?!
        If we get back something like that, we are going to be just fine.

        GO SENS!

        • Dirk-Diggler

          I can’t see Huberdeau going anywhere but I’d take him any day… Heck Id trade Spezza AND Zibby for him

          • 383

            It all comes down to how desperate some teams are and how much BM is able to drive up the price. I was just using that as an example, don’t think that would be an actual trade.

          • Millennium

            I fully expect Florida to be interested, and willing to shell out long term, for a guy like Spezza. They need to take on salary, they need a star, and they need one soon but for a decent term. It just depends if they have/are willing to trade enough to get him in a bidding war.

          • Sandy

            It is a really beautiful place to live.. in Sunrise…

          • FistsofNeil25

            What’s so great about Huberdeau that makes him worth Spezza and Zibby to you?

            Huberdeau – 117 gp, 23 g, 59 p, -20.

            That’s 0.19 goals per game and 0.5 points per game so far in his career

            Zibanejad – 111 gp, 23 g, 53 p, -6

            That’s 0.21 goals per game and 0.48 goals per game so far.

            So is the difference between Huberdeau and Zibanejad really Spezza?

          • Doc

            Wait, what?

        • Tooks

          Come on man, you think Spezza will put asses in seats after you trade away Huberdeau, Gud or Kulikov + 2015 1st…Fans will be irate they just gave away 3 first round picks for an aging injury prone player.

          • 383

            People in Florida don’t even know who Kulikov or Gudbransson are. I bet they’ve heard of Jason Spezza though.
            What fans?!

          • Sandy

            Their fan base is growing.. especially since Luongo arrived in Florida.
            Don’t mock them.. they will be a good team in a year or two.. especially with who they have in net.. and their good young prospects..

          • 383

            Oh it’s growing Sandy http://espn.go.com/nhl/attendance
            You prove my point by mentioning Luongo. I’m saying that I bet they are willing to trade some youth, to get a “name”. Jason Spezza, to the average Florida Pathers fan, is just that, a name that management can sell.
            Again, not saying it’s going to happen, just saying that they could be a team that throws money and term at Spezza-because they need to sell a product STAT.

      • Millennium

        Depends what constitutes long term I’m guessing. If STL is serious about Spezza, then they probably would like him for 3-4 years. That seems like a reasonable window to compete every season and still not invest too much in an aging player. At that point it’s up to Murray to pull the trigger, but 3 years of Spezza gets a ton more return than 1 year.

        If the market for a sign and trade is in the ballpark of 3-4 years (barring some crazy 7/7 deal from a team like Florida), I’d see a bunch of teams interested in a bidding war. LA, Anaheim, STL, Colorado, Nashville, Phoenix (maybe), Toronto.

      • FistsofNeil25

        Anaheim and St Louis don’t need to want a long-term commitment, they just have to be willing to give up as much as a team that is willing to commit to Spezza long-term.

        If terms are allowed to negotiate with Spezza’s agent before a trade, then I would suspect there will be more team’s interested in his services. Spezza is going to be traded to the highest bidder not on his no-trade list regardless of whether it’s a sign and trade or not.

        Anaheim or St Louis will strike out if they aren’t willing to give up the most for him.

        • Rafi Bomb

          It also may increase his value as a rental, as some teams that see him as such may want to keep that option open if he meshes well with their team. Knowing that he is receptive to staying around long term gives the organization added flexibility.

    • Doc

      I still think fans should temper their expectations. I know fans usually overvalue their own players, but some of the trade proposals I’ve seen are beyond ridiculous.

      There is a market for him though, that’s for sure.

      • Millennium

        yeah its a byproduct of such a long summer >.> People start to lose focus on hockey reality.

      • Sandy

        He is a # 1 centre.. yes with back issues. But when healthy and playing with top 6 forwards.. and not 4th line forwards.. this guy can be very good.
        He’s not a defensive gem by any means.. but those contending teams will want him more for his points..
        If there is more than 1 team in the bidding for him — I hope the return is decent.. especially if the teams bidding are in the same division..

        • Doc

          Not saying he’s not good, I just think that people expect too much of a return for a 31 year old with one year left on his contract. Everybody knows what he brings (or doesn’t), he’s a known commodity.

          In my opinion, we won’t get what was initially asked by Murray, maybe a combination of two of those parts. Only way I see us getting all three, or a better combinations, is if there’s a bidding war like you said.

          I doubt that would be the case, but having a few potential trade partners will for sure bring his value up.

          My point is, I don’t think we’ll be getting back something along the lines of what Anaheim got for Ryan. I expect a little bit less.

    • peetypuck

      I agree with you. An interested team would be much more willing to give up more if they could get Spezza signed for another five years or so.

    • Sandy

      IF it is a contending team that Spezza is going to .. he may lower his term and $$$ just to play for a chance to win…

    • Sandy

      Since he has another year to go before his contract is up.. they can’t sign him before July 1st.. But I guess they can get a verbal agreement before hand .. right?

  • FistsofNeil25

    So as of right now, our actual team salary for next season is $ 49 725 000. That figure includes:

    Spezza’s $4 000 000 salary which will be removed, Ryan, Turris, MacArthur, Zibanejad, Stone, Smith, Greening, Neil, Condra, Pageau

    Karlsson, Cowen, Methot, Phillips, Wiercioch, Ceci, Borowiecki

    Anderson

    It doesn’t include new contracts for Hoffman, Gryba and Lehner.

    So assuming our player salary budget is around 56-57 million as it’s been rumored, what possible moves can we expect to get us to that number? Obviously we will take on a salary or two in the Spezza trade, but we will have to do more than just re-sign Hoffman, Gryba and Lehner to reach 56-57 million.

    • Senatollah

      nice money to put to that top 2 UFA dman everyones been talking about.

      • Hax

        Outside of Niskanen, what UFA dmen are there that would be considered top 4?

        • Senatollah

          But its free agency. Sens can be a cap team buy bidding high on all those amazing players available. Really no good UFA D you say? Lets blame Melynk!! Burn Berts Barbados Beach Bar!

          • Hax

            I’m not sure you understand what I mean (or how free agency works).

            If you go to capgeek and look at players who are about enter free agency, I don’t see any defensemen that I would consider a slam-dunk top pairing guy. Doesn’t matter how much money Melnyk offers Shea Weber – he’s not a free agent.

          • Senatollah

            Poor attempt at sarcasm. Totally agree the UFA D this year is not gaming changing. No Suter like players available. Even if the Sens wanted to be a cap team there isnt the roster space nor quality players available, even if overpaying.

          • Hax

            Ah okay – I get it now.

        • whammer44

          If he has recovered from his injury…Pitkanen. Could possibly get him cheap as well since he missed the full year…but it depends on whether he’s fully recovered…
          Boyle, Markhov…

        • Sandy

          Or one that would come to Ottawa?

        • Tooks

          Not much really, Niskanen will be the big ticket, but he’s RH. I think thats why we have to get our top 3 D via Spezza trade and we might have to give a bit more to get it but I would!

          • Doc

            That’s also what I expect.

            FA market is pretty bare this year.

  • Dirk-Diggler

    You never know, a team can come out of left field like Dallas or Colorado looking to make a big splash.

    • SensChirp

      Welllll Colorado wouldn’t be completely out of left field.

      • Doc

        I’m still hoping for O’Reilly.

        I think he would be a great fit for the Sens. I’d even play him on the wing with Zibby.

        *drool*

        • ProfessorPower

          Spezza for O’Reilly Mcginn and a 3rd, somewhat similar to the Bobby Ryan deal of Silf Noeson and a 1st a parts from more established players and a weaker pick. We could add Gryba to the deal to make it better for Colorado.

          Then Trade Hofffman + Prince for Chris Stewart

          and Throw whatever we can to try and acquire Kevin Bieksa (Wercioch + Puempel for example)

          ROR-Zibanejad-Ryan
          Macarthur-Turris-Stone
          Mcginn-Lazar-Stewart
          Greening-Smith Neil

          Methot-Karlsson
          Boro-Bieksa
          Cowen-Ceci

          • Doc

            I wouldn’t do that trade for Stewart. I think he’s overrated and Hoffman has just started feeling comfortable with the big club. We need his speed badly.

            I also wouldn’t touch what works, in this case MacA-Turris-Ryan as our first line. I do like the second line of ROR-Zibby-Stone.

          • Tooks

            No way on the trade for Stewart, Hoffman has wheels and we need it, were already slow as it is, lets not make us slower…

          • ProfessorPower

            Ya I like that top 6 and I wouldn’t be opposed to keeping Hoffman either, but we need to improve our bottom six just as much as our top 6. As well, with moving Spezza we need 4 lines that can roll just like the bruins. having a 3rd line of Hoffman Pageau Condra..ect is simply not good enough on a winning team.

          • peetypuck

            If you want ROR try this; our 1st pick in 2015, a young d-man and maybe a prospect forward. That might turn Roy’s head.

          • ProfessorPower

            so give rebuilding pieces to a team that just broke through to the playoffs? lol a player like Spezza makes more sense, depending on Statsny’s future.

          • peetypuck

            Why would Colorado want to trade ROR for another older centre? They would likely want a d-man or goalie.
            A lot of teams have their doubts about the Sens making the playoffs next year making our 1st pick quite valuable in the McDavid/ Eichel sweepstakes.Getting ROR for our pick and a d-man plus Shattenkirk for Spezza would really bolster the Sens.

          • Sandy

            NO.. The Sens had better not trade their 2015 first rounder. They will most likely miss the playoffs again next season.
            Many may not agree with that.. but look at what teams in the East made the playoffs.. and tell me which team of those 8 is not going to make the playoffs next season.

          • peetypuck

            Sandy, I’m taking into account that Murray also trades Spezza for Shattenkirk or another defenceman of his calbre or better. Do you think the Sens would still miss the playoffs with ROR and Shattenkirk to bolster them? They only missed by three games this year. ROR is only one forward that BM could target dangling our #1 pick next year and yes if other teams think the Sens won’t make the playoffs that pick becomes even more valuable.

          • FistsofNeil25

            That’s massive overpayment for Spezza. I don’t think there’s much difference in trade value between Spezza and O’Reilly.

          • ProfessorPower

            well if you read HF O’Reilly’s value s greater than Supermans but hes a former 2nd rounder, coming off a contract year where most players over perform and he hits his first 20+ goal season. He was switched to wing which helped his point totals, as well as having a new coach/team that seemed to over perform as well. Along with that he is an RFA who could be demanding a lot of money this off season.

            I do think his value is very high but id be surprised to see a Sezza for ROR swap, i see more pieces coming our way. But when you add Gryba it doesn’t look like a massive over payment at all imo.

            Spezza+Gryba for OReilly Mcginn 3rd

          • Rafi Bomb

            ROR is also an RFA who was offer sheeted, is making $5M and is coming off of a career year in points. The fact that he isn’t signed and that he has received an offer sheet last off season should effect his trade value. There is a risk that he asks for too much and the Sens are forced to go to arbitration. There is a risk that the only way we can keep him is on a $7M long term deal. There is also the risk that another team might offer sheet him again, forces us to sign a less than favourable contract. That should all be factored into his trade value. Hence adding McGinn and a 3rd.

          • FistsofNeil25

            If you are Colorado who would you value higher?

            O’Reilly who is a 23 year old RFA with a ton of hockey left to play as his whole career is ahead of him. He just had a career year with 28 goals 64 points and is a versatile center/leftwinger. He’s a home grown product drafted in the second round but played in the NHL as an 18 year old. How many players that are drafted in the second round play in the NHL that very same year? It’s extremely rare, but he was able to do it because of his commitment to being a 200 foot player and the intangibles that he possesses.

            Or

            Spezza, who will be 31 before the next season commences and has one year remaining on his contract. Will likely seek as much money if not more than O’Reilly on his next contract. He has lingering back problems and groin problems. Not to mention he’s a lesser all-round player than O’Reilly at this point in their careers.

            So why would they trade a 23 year old O’Reilly who is the superior all-round player, McGinn who is 25 and almost potted 20 goals this year, and a 3rd rounder for a 31 year old Spezza who is a one-dimensional offensive player when they already have high end offensive talent in Duchene, MacKinnon and Landeskog.

          • ProfessorPower

            when did I ever say Colorado wants to trade ORielly, they obviously dont LOL But with the potential Loss of Stantsny and there new playoff birth they may want a new veteran center who can help the team, narrowing there (trade) options to Spezza and Kesler as of now. If they want Spezza they have to pay, especially within the hopeful bidding ware that should progress until draft day. In this case its not Ottawa pushing Spezza on Colorado, Spezza is the one publicly being shopped meaning other teams should be calling asking for him. If Colorado doesnt want to give up any of there talented players than they dont get Spezza, but as you mentioned they have Douchene, Mackinnon, Landeskog..ect, so maybe they would be willing to give up a potentially expensive ROR for an upgrade at center.. and the trade included Gryba which would help there back end.

            if you focus on all the positives of ROR and all the negative of Spezza then there is nothing to talk about. These are POTENTIAL trades, your same argument could be said for all the young top 6 players we would be asking for in trades with teams llike St.Louis, Ducks, Nashville ect..

            so by your logic, why would any team want Spezza?..at least Ottawa doesn’t.

          • FistsofNeil25

            I believe a ton of teams will be interested in trading for Spezza. I
            don’t however think they would be willing to give up a player of
            O’Reilly’s caliber. O’Reilly’s value is at an all-time high whereas
            Spezza’s isn’t. I still think we get a good return for Spezza, but your
            proposal of Spezza+Gryba for O’Reilly+McGinn+3rd is heavily in Ottawa’s favor.

          • Doc

            Heavily is an understatement.

          • Doc

            Bingo.

          • Deadly

            No ,they lost in the first round.

          • Doc

            Ha!

            But now you made me sad.

          • Deadly

            Lazar..Harpur..be happy.

          • Doc

            Ha!

            You made me happy again.

          • Sandy

            Colorado’s window for winning the Stanley Cup is a long one.. considering all of the young developing players they have on their roster…
            I just can’t see them in the Spezza bidding. They don’t need to win now.

          • Doc

            Long gone? I think we could see them be real contenders sooner rather then later.

            Their forward lineup is ridiculous as it is. Imagine when they all peak at the same time.

          • FistsofNeil25

            She said a long one, not long gone. I made the same mistake when I first read it too.

          • Doc

            You’re right! Apologies Sandy!

          • Sandy

            My comment said their window to win the Cup is a long one.. meaning they will be contenders for a long time..

          • Doc

            Unfortunately, I think that you are wrong. Spezza alone wouldn’t land us O’Reilly in my opinion, not the other way around. I do agree about the money aspect, but we have the room for it without breaking the internal budget.

            The kid is 23 and hasn’t even scratched the surface of his potential. He plays a complete game and has great offensive upside.

            And to be fair, Gryba adds nothing of value to that trade. He would be a throw-in.

          • Deadly

            Gryba’s plus minus numbers on Ottawa are good.Might have value in the league.

          • Doc

            True, but he’s still a 5-6 on a decent team. Guys like Gryba are not hard to come by.

            That’s coming from someone who likes the kid too. I just don’t think adding him in a trade would suddenly make them reconsider.

          • Sandy

            He also made 6.5M this season.. Out of Melnyk’s price range..

          • peetypuck

            Let’s not forget that whomever gets Spezza can probably have Hemsky as well for the signing. Imagine having them as your 2nd line? That makes Spezza more valuable to some teams.

          • FistsofNeil25

            I highly doubt Hemsky impacts Spezza’s trade value in any way lol how many teams have 12-13 mill in cap space to add two often injured 30+ players?

          • peetypuck

            You’re going to pay $10 million and up anyway for two proven, top-6 forwards.

          • Sandy

            I don’t want Hoffman going to Buffalo.. would sooner keep him in Ottawa… Nor do I agree with trading Puempel right now. Let’s see how he can play in the NHL before giving him to another team. Let’s not play a Muckler.

          • Deadly

            Puemple as a first year pro scores 30 plus.Lets keep him and see what he can do. He should be part of the future.

          • Doc

            By all accounts he’s going to be a real good player. Richardson had nothing but good things to say about the kid.

            He went on about how Puempel had a lot of work to do, specifically on his defensive game as well as his skating. He took all the advice and worked his butt off. He scored 30 like you said, played a complete game (200 ft) by the end of the year, and even developed a nasty edge in the end, having to fight on a few occasions. The kid has all the tools to succeed, and besides Lazar, he’s one of our prospects I’m most excited about.

      • Dirk-Diggler

        fair enough on COL but I think they’d be best with the group they have

    • Rafi Bomb

      I like the idea of trading with Dallas. We would likely be looking for some combination of Valeri Nichushkin, Alex Chiasson, Jamie Oleksiak, Brett Ritchie and Antoine Roussell in return.

  • Dirtysweetness

    When could Spezza be dealt? Is there a trade freeze right now?

    • Rafi Bomb

      No he can get traded at any point now. The main reason why he hasn’t been traded yet is that there are still teams in the playoffs that may look to acquire him. We also want to provide sufficient time for enough teams to become seriously interested and create a bidding war. Expect him to most likely get moved at the draft.

    • Zelle

      Anytime with any team. The only set back is that the teams still in the playoffs would lose any players they trade and not gain. Let’s say Bruins trade Kreijci for Spezza, then Boston would no longer be able to play Kreijci in the playoffs, and they also wouldn’t be able to play Spezza. The team could deal him to teams out of the playoffs though.

    • Millennium

      Fun fact about the trade deadline: it isn’t really a trade deadline, its a playoff eligibility deadline. It just becomes a defacto trade deadline because it makes no sense to trade for a player you can’t use in the postseason this year. But there have been instances of trades happening after the deadline.

  • Pasky

    If Florida wants in on Spezza, what type of deal would we need to make to involve the 1st overall pick? Considering there was mention that they would be open to trading it…

    • Rafi Bomb

      This draft is mediocre. Why do you want the first overall pick? We would be just as well off trading with another organization that has some more established prospects.

      • Pasky

        Draft might be mediocre overall but the #1 pick isn’t. I’m thinking about having Ekblad playing behind Karlsson, that’s would round up our Top 4 for years to come.

    • Sandy

      Florida is shopping their 1st overall pick.. probably because they have so many good prospects now they can afford to trade it..

  • Hax

    So I wonder if Malkin is indeed going to be shopped/traded and if so what it might do to the market for Spezza. I think it could actually drive up the price as teams in the West “load up” but it could hurt Spezza’s value if teams end up focusing on Malkin instead.

    I’m really hoping that we get at least one big piece back in a Spezza deal – on D. I can’t stop picturing Shattenkirk in our second pairing but I’d be looking for the following in any deal (and be willing to add pieces on our side to get it – i.e. excess D/prospects or picks):

    Top 3 D
    Young forward that projects to 3C or higher or a rock solid 3C for “now”
    pick or prospect that adds to our organizational depth

    • Senatollah

      It could help, if GMBM allows team to neg with Spezza’s agent for an extension.
      On D do we want someone to help in the top 3 or a full time partner for Karlsson. If Karlsson plus new guy log 30 mins a night together who cares about D3-6.

      • Hax

        I’m perfectly fine with Methot being surgically grafted to Karlsson for the rest of time. However, if we get someone else to pair with EK65 then yeah, Methot immediately solidifies our second pairing (with Ceci?).

        Mainly I think we need a right-hand shot since we’re deeper on the left side (in numbers if not talent as well).

        • Senatollah

          Agree. Even though I could never see it happening boy would Shea Webber look great with Karlsson. We have the cap room, they can have Spezza plus a prospect or pick this year or next.

          • peetypuck

            Spezza (Hemsky), our 2015 1st pick and Cowen for Weber. Do it now.

          • peetypuck

            Either EK or Weber would always be on the ice. We could practically go with five defencemen.

          • Zelle

            I wonder if Methot could be conditioned to play that many minutes.

          • peetypuck

            I think he can on occasion. I don’t know if he could do it every game but he is capable of 20-22 minutes a game. In Weber and EK just imagine two 20 goal scoring d-men. I think one year Chara and Redden scored 16 and 17 goals.

          • Zelle

            That would be pretty sick. I think EK can probably beat his record too if he recuperates fully from his injury and isn’t paired with Cowen for most of the season.

            Love EK, finally got his rookie card at a decent price.

          • peetypuck

            It wouldn’t surprise me if EK scores 30 goals in the future.
            Hang onto that card, it could be valuable later on. Do you collect a lot of cards or just specific players. I only have one card…a special commemorative of Gordie Howe’s 750th goal. I’ve had it forever. I had a dozen or so others from when I was a kid but someone gave me a hundred bucks for them about 10 years ago. Nobody really that good. I kept Gordie because he wouldn’t pay me enough for it.

          • Zelle

            Same! He definitely has the talent for it.

            I like buying packs and stuff some times but I never really get anything I want, but I do it for the fun of seeing what’s inside lol

            I’ve gone out of my way to buy rookie cards of players I like on the Senators since the rebuild started. For example I have Mika, Turris, Hoffman, Stone, Lehner and Karlsson now. I try to kind of guess who I think will stay a Senator for a while, which isn’t easy xD I got some from packs too like Regin, DaCosta, Cowen and Condra.

          • Doc

            *sigh*

    • Millennium

      It might draw some of the long-term suitors away from a sign and trade, but won’t effect anyone looking for a rental. Malkin can be the franchise player for a Florida type team, but his cost will be astronomical, so only serious rebuild candidates will seriously pursue him.

    • Tooks

      If we get that top 3 D then you can forget about either the pick or young forward 3C.

      We already have Karlsson and Ceci as top 4 RH shots tho. IMO I would go for a LH shot to play opposite Karlsson or Ceci. Methot already fills one pairing, I really dont want Cowen in the top 4 again…

      I mean, I would be ok with this but if we can add a better LH shot that PW46 to play with Ceci or get a top 2D and play Methot with Ceci and FA with Karlsson, but it would have to be a LH shot.

      • sprucesens

        agree on the LH player, but at the same time, we have a ton of D at that position, which means we would have to include maybe a 2 for 1 in that D scenario, then try and get a couple other pieces. Maybe like Boro and PW, with spezza, for a top 3 LD, and prospect or pick

        • FistsofNeil25

          That’s a lot of moving parts. I can’t see another team taking on two of our bottom pairing D. Then our problem would just become their problem.

          • sprucesens

            not if its a team like the oilers. They have basically no players signed next year, outside of their big names. Bottom 6 and Bottom 4 D are all empty pretty much. And none were that good that even our crap players, wouldn’t be a huge improvement. Mind you, they don’t have the top 3 D they could trade us, in this exact scenario. But yes, it would be a blockbuster “hockey trade”

          • FistsofNeil25

            I think most people agree that Spezza wouldn’t be open to a trade there. In fact, they’re probably at the very top of his no-trade list. Who knows though.

        • Tooks

          Some LH shots to discuss…

          ANA
          Fowler
          Lindholm
          We wont get any of these guys for Spezza, move on.

          STL
          Jay Bo
          Would take him no doubt.

          LA
          Jake Muzzin
          Alec Martinez
          I would take any of these 2.

          Dallas
          Alex Goligoski
          Trevor Daley

          FLA
          Brian Campbell, doubt they get rid of him, only solid vet they got.
          Dimitry Kulikov, risky…
          Dylan Olsen, coud be offered in a package, IF JS19 accepts to go to FLA.

          Others
          Duncan Keith, LOL
          Victor Hedman, unlikely as TB will ask for alot more than Spezza.
          OEL, possible if they keep Yandle over him, but doubt it.
          Keith Yandle, possible, PHO are not that bad, but probably on Spezza’ no fly zone.
          Mike Giordano, unlikely as Spezza wont go to CGY.
          Roman Josi, possible!
          McDonaugh, would love him!
          Nick Leddy, possible!

          • Doc

            OEL is considered an untouchable I’m sure.

            McDonaugh would be pretty awesome, but he’s also an untouchable in my mind. Would be sweet having him though, not only for what he brings to the ice, but because we would play the Habs 6 times a year with him in our lineup as a reminder that they f-ed up. :)

          • Tooks

            Yeah could you imagine, McDonaugh would be the perfect fit for Karlsson.

            But like you said, probably untouchable.

          • Doc

            A real top 2 pairing, that’s for sure.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Thank god Montreal traded McDonagh for Gomez. A McDonagh-Subban pairing wouldn’t be fair.

          • Doc

            Gomez: The gift that keeps on giving.

    • RUSH RLZ

      Pens (damn them) are in a bad spot. Malkin is the player they should keep, but the Croz is the one who puts all those asses in seats, is the league poster boy and can probably rebound next year…

      As Bryan Murray, what would you be willing to give up for Crosby? Spezza signed long term, Mika, Anderson and a 2nd for Crosby and Letang?

      • Hax

        NWIH would Crosby waive to play in Ottawa. So no point in punishing ourselves with the thought.

        • RUSH RLZ

          Why not, we punish ourselves with just about everything else imaginable. Humor we if you will. Everyone is talking today about Crosby’s “value” what would be a realistic change between the Sens + Pens? I find it an interesting exercise in trying to think realistically about the value of our own players.

          Besides… I’m about to open up about something real painful here… my beloved New York Jets went and got Michael F**KING Vick (I might hand in my jersey) so why not pain myself thinking about my mized emotions were Crosby to suit up for the Sens.

      • Sandy

        How about NO and NO..

        • RUSH RLZ

          How about clarifying why? You think that is giving up too much? Crosby’s stache gives you the heebie-jeebies? etc etc.

      • FistsofNeil25

        I don’t even think that package would get you Crosby, let along him plus Letang.

        • RUSH RLZ

          Veteran center, veteran goaltender (something that has to be high on their list obviously), top end young player and a pick.. what do you think would get it done?

          • FistsofNeil25

            I don’t think you get Crosby or Malkin out of Pittsburgh for anything less than an overpayment. Think Ryan, Turris, Ceci +

            Neither Crosby or Malkin are the problem in Pittsburgh. The problems are a GM who gave out too many big contracts and not surrounding their stars with enough depth. Shero has also given up picks and prospects year after year after year for trade deadline acquisitions who don’t get the team anywhere. They have a head coach who has failed to make any adjustments the last few seasons, and a goaltender who can be outstanding one night and a sieve the next.

            If Pittsburgh wants to get back to being a serious contender they need to can both Shero and Bylsma, move a few big contracts like Letang and Fleury, and re-tool around Sid and Geno.

      • Tooks

        I cant even fathom Pitts getting rid of Crosby, no way, Malkin maybe but not Croz.

        We would have to give up alot more than that just for Crosby, add Letang and we would have no more players, lol.

        • RUSH RLZ

          I didn’t see the actual poll, but hockey pundits online this morning were suggesting that 70% of fans would be willing to trade Crosby. They are really down on him right now, which I think is a mistake, anyone that knows his play and watched that last series can plainly see he was trying to play through some significant health issues…

          • Hax

            I think it will be hard for any team to win with Crosby. He takes up too much of the cap space and dictates the way the team plays too much. Not saying it’s impossible and I still generally consider him the best player in the world (though he’s got more company than he used to). I’m just saying that need to surround him with a more well-rounded team. With the cap going up his personal cap hit becomes less of an issue though.

  • KDog

    I dont understand why the powers to be don’t consider keeping Spezza (at least thru the first half of the season, worst case you could trade him at the deadline) and Hempsky and rolling with effectively to fist lines Turris, MacArthur and Buttler as line 1A and Spezza, Hempsky and maybe Mika (or look for a FA left wing) on the left wing as line 1B? Most teams would kill to have two formidable lines with the ability to score–teams kill for chemistry like Spezza and Hempsky showed down the stretch.

    • 383

      What are you talking about?
      Hempsky? Buttler?
      Are you from the past?

      • Senatollah

        Team needs more Peter Shaffer and Bruce Gardner’s!! Maybe the fourth line can be ninknamed our media line “York-Donovan-Van Allen”

        • bluebuyyoo

          All you need is Bonk!

          • Tooks

            Daigle should be mature enough now, bring him back!

        • runningbear1974

          Gardiner was a pretty good player… Let’s get Van Allen back too… Lambert, where are you?

          • WaitingSince92

            Bring back our first goal scorer Neil Brady. Maybe our scout, former sen ROb Murphy can lace em up too.

        • Sandy

          How about getting Chara & Hossa back?

          This team had so many good players… especially the two above. Makes you want to cry over the stupidity of letting them get away.

    • Doc

      Can’t help but feel that his is a sad attempt at a joke.

    • the Grammar Police

      F
      .

      • Doc

        I don’t know what’s your usual name, but every time I see one of your post I chuckle.

        It’s a pet peeve of mine too.

        • s3nsfan

          Let alone the gramma police, what about Buttler, big mistake to screw up Ryan with Buttler and not even spell his name right.

          • Doc

            Never came back to answer, so we know if was just a bad attempt at a joke post.

    • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

      What happened to Peter sidorcowick(i know that’s spelt wrong)

  • Zelle

    “Tickets for tonight’s giant-screen viewing in Montreal cost $10, with
    some of the proceeds going to a Canadiens charity fund for children.

    Team spokesman Donald Beauchamp says the 21,000-odd tickets sold out in two hours.”

    Crazyness. Does the CTC do this?

    • Millennium

      I`m pretty sure we did something like that the year we went to the finals. But I don`t remember there being a charge for it.

      • Zelle

        If they opened the concessions they’d probably make enough money with beer anyway.

        • MethotToMyMadness

          I remember them setting up a big screen outside, so fans who didn’t pay to get in for the Games when they were at home, could sit outside the building and watch and cheer them on and be part of the crowd outside afterwards. They actually setup a Berts bar, with sand and had it roped off. I was there for the game Ottawa beat the Ducks. You could sit in lawn chairs in the sand drinking beer, it was pretty cool.

          • Zelle

            That sounds amazing!

    • CohMa

      Wow, that’s just asking for a riot when they lose….

      • WaitingSince92

        or win…
        riot either way

        • Sandy

          Yeah.. they will probably try to loot and burn the downtown of Montreal again. Could be lots of police getting overtime tonight.
          Looking at the refs for tonight’s game.. Dave Jackson & Dan O’Rourke.. these are the two that made a mess of game two. Why the NHL would put those incompetents in charge of a game 7 is beyond me.
          I’m calling it now. Montreal is going to gets lots of power plays.. and win the game. They know these refs give out lots of penalties. It will be a sad night if that happens.

          • Zelle

            Well if last night was any indication about how G7s will be called I expect not too many penalties.

        • Sandy

          I hope those shop and restaurant owners near the Bell Centre have a lot of insurance..

    • The Apostle

      “Team spokesman Donald Beauchamp says the 21,000-odd tickets sold out in two hours.”

      Crazyness. Does the CTC do this?”
      Get sold out? No, not very often.

      • Zelle

        I don’t know how to reply to this because it makes me sad.

  • WaitingSince92

    Re: your tweet, Chirp, you’ve got to imagine other teams are looking for more than a rental. With the asking price, whoever lands Spezza is going to want to keep him around for at least a little while. Makes prospects/players easier to part with.

    • SensChirp

      I agree. At that asking price (Player, pick, 1st), only teams that want Spezza long term will get involved. What I don’t know, if if teams like Anaheim and St. Louis are ready to commit to Spezza long term.

      • Sandy

        Anaheim is losing Selanne and most likely Koivu..
        St Louis is probably not bringing back Derek Roy.
        I could see Spezza going to either of those places..

        • SensChirp

          Me too. But are they going to want to commit to him before he ever plays a game there? Just remember the same concerns that Sens fans have about signing Spezza long term, probably exist for other teams too.

          • Sandy

            Agree..

          • CohMa

            I would think other teams wouldn’t look at him in the same way as the Sens. If they’re bringing him in purely for his offense I don’t see it being an issue. I would think the Sens didn’t like his leadership and compete level. Other teams with a good leadership group (i.e. Anaheim, St. Louis, etc) wouldn’t have a problem bringing him in long term if he wasn’t expected to be the captain. He’d be fine being part of a leadership group, but not being “the man”. I would expect there to be a number of teams in on him and Murray getting a decent return.

          • SensChirp

            I don’t think it had anything to do with compete level or leadership. Fears about committing long term have more to do with his health.

          • Sandy

            Spezza had 1 season of being a captain. I think it takes a lot longer than that for a player to get comfortable in that position.. especially on a team that sucked the way the Sens did this season.
            Even the great Alfie struggled with the captaincy early on..

          • Doc

            We’ve beaten this to death already, but it has little to do with Spezza’s leadership.

            Plus, it’s not like management just wants him out. Spezza seems to be ready to move, and from what I can gather it might be him that wants to leave more than the Sens wanting him gone.

          • Tooks

            Well the return would have to be Bonino/Cog/Fowler/Lindholm. 2 of those 4 but I doubt ANA gives anything close to that, so he probably doesnt end up there.

            STL, same boat, they wont give up core young players for aging vet with health issues. Maybe Jay Bo, since they have alot of good D’s ahead of him.

          • FistsofNeil25

            St Louis might be the most desperate team to acquire Spezza as their window of opportunity is right now and they have a big need for a top center. I think you’re right though, I can’t see them giving up one of Oshie, Schwartz, Tarasenko or Shattenkirk for him and I don’t think there’s much else there of interest to Ottawa.

            Anaheim has more than enough assets to deal for Spezza, but I doubt they are as desperate. Spezza would be a massive upgrade over most of what they have right now, but they’re such a young team and have a boatload of developing players that are still growing. Anaheim would do just fine to sit on what they have and see what happens over the next couple seasons as their young players like Smith-Pelley, Etem, Silfverberg, Rakell, Noeson, Lindholm, Fowler, Vatanen and Gibson all develop.

            So that’s why the more I think about it, the more I see Spezza being dealt somewhere other than Anaheim or St Louis when all is said and done.

      • FistsofNeil25

        Chirp you rarely participate in this kind of discussion but what kind of return would you want or expect from either of those teams? I assume like most of us that what you would want and what you expect would probably be different things.

  • Sandy

    Wish we had these guys…
    Jonathan Toews and Patrick Kane have a combined 7 game winning goals in the 8 playoff wins for the Hawks. Can you say clutch….

    • Tooks

      Well you gotta suck to get those types of players and even then its hard to get em. Chicago sucked enough and won out with Kane and Toews. If we had sucked enough we could of had MacKinnon, Landeskog or McDavid..Maybe, just maybe.

      • Sandy

        You are correct that the Blackhawks had to suck to get those players.. and were lucky when they sucked it was in good draft years with excellent players..

    • Zelle

      Lazar will likely be clutch. Turris has the potential to be clutch. Give them like two years I think we’ll be happy fans :)

      • Jakester

        Well TUrris already has like 3-4 overtime playoff goals in his career.

        • Zelle

          Yup! But I’m hoping he will turn into a PPG player in the playoffs while still playing a 200ft game as he gets stronger.

  • sprucesens

    If we’re looking to get D back as the primary player in a spezza trade… I think Nashville, phoenix, Anaheim and St. Louis are the most prime targets.
    Nashville has: Weber, Josi, Ellis, Jones
    Phoenix has: OEL, Yandle, Gormley,
    Anaheim has: Lindholm, Fowler, vatanen, Sbisa
    St. Louis has: Pietrangelo, Shattenkirk, JBO, Polak, Jackman
    Basically all I’m saying is they have a wealth of top 4 D and could use this to get spezza. Obviously the top players from each are probably untouchable:weber and jones, OEL, Lindholm, Pietrangelo. But the rest could probably be had. Some probably aren’t ideal targets for us, but attainable regardless. Teams like to trade from a position of strength to address a weakness. All these teams have a need for spezza. Anaheim the least, but then they could lose selanne and koivu, and end up needing him the most. Aside from the last 2 ducks and the last 3 blues, I can see any of those players as being prime targets, but likely near untouchable. But it can be done. Spezza was probably considered untouchable, so was alfie. Both might be gone in a matter of 1 year. gretzky was traded, so crazier things have happened. Lots of teams with pieces we could want, but I think those 4 are tops for having what we want, and what they need, and spezza might not be opposed to all 4 of those teams

  • sens88

    I’d like to see this next year:

    (Spezza & Gryba traded for Lindholm, Silfverberg and Anaheim’s 1st )

    Ryan Turris CMac
    Silf Zibby Hoffman
    Lazar Smith Stone
    Prince Pageau Neil (I would get rid of him but they won’t)

    (send Condra & Greening away somewhere)

    Methot Karl
    Lindholm Ceci
    Weircoch Cowan (if Cowan somehow has a rebound year i’d move him up to the top 4)

    extra: Boro Phillips

    • Zelle

      Reuniting Zbad and Silfv would be pretty sweet.

      What about:
      Mac – Turris – Ryan
      Silfv – Zbad – Stone
      Hoffman – Smith – Lazar
      Puempel – Pageau / DaCosta – Neil / Condra
      Neil / Condra

      Methot – EK
      Lindholm – Ceci
      Wiercioch/Cowen – Phillips

      Phillips isn’t going anywhere and I don’t think they will put him in the press box as an extra either. I’m hoping he will play reserved minutes. Getting Lindholm would replace a RD with another LD which we have a lot of, so we’d probably also have to trade one of Cowen or Wiercioch.

      • sens88

        Plus we’d be adding two Swedes to the team which will make EK happy! I like the Da Costa addition. I hope they resign him.

        • Zelle

          I’m on board with anything that makes EK happy haha.

          I also like DaCosta. I find he and Pageau are a lot alike. Small, fast, high hockey IQ, but DaCosta beats Pageau in the faceoff circle.

    • Doc

      COW-EN. WITH AN E. Good lord… He’s been with the team for years now. Silly kids.

      Also, I’m not sure what’s with the infatuation for ex-Senators, but we’re not getting Silf back less than a year after trading him.

      • Hax

        Someone had to say it.

        sens88 actually brings up a semi-valid point: Karlsson. If EK is our future AND if having one of his buddies back helps then why not? Not like Silf isn’t a great player in his own right – not suggesting we take Silf over a better player or anything.

        • Doc

          I love Silf, but that’s not the point. Anaheim wanted him and he was the centrepiece coming back for Ryan. They won’t want to trade him back to his old team just to please fans.

          I just saw a LOT of trade proposals with fans wanting ex-Senators coming back and it kind of baffles me.

          • Hax

            Could be true and I wouldn’t want him back if Dorion wasn’t fully behind the idea. Just saying that in terms of ex-Sens, Silf (and Noesen for that matter) are guys I’d be happy to have back.

          • Zelle

            I’d love Silf back because he’s a good young player, clicked with Zbad, and his name is amazing. Totally not realistic though.

          • Aaron 2.0

            Certainly not the most likely of scenarios, as you point out for a number of reasons. But, I don’t really see why it’s not in the realm of possibility, at least as much as the trade proposals we throw around here as fans. Sure, he was the cornerstone going to Anaheim for Ryan. It wouldn’t really be a matter of pleasing fans. It would just be a question of how much might they be willing to pay for Spezza, and have they soured a little bit on Silf. Personally doubt it. But, it’s probably as likely as any trade scenario we’re guessing at.

          • Senatollah

            the #1 pick was the cornerstone, not Silf. He was a roster player part of the package.

          • Aaron 2.0

            Fair enough. They’ll get a pretty good pick this due to the Sens’ finish. If we would of finished higher it might of been debatable. If they only saw him a complementary piece to the 1st rounder, that would probably make a Silf trade slightly more likely, although still improbable.

          • Hax

            I’m still not sure Silf was a centerpiece. I thought they were really after Zibanejad and then Murray talked them into Silf when he upped the pick to a first. Anyway, I agree that the tendency to use familiar names (ex-Sens) is a bit much, but I would suggest that Silf might be one case where it’s not a bad idea.

        • Senatollah

          Oh yeah, cant wait to bring back future Stanley cup winner Peter Regin back. He is UFA and one of the players Karlsson spoke of when said he lost his friends.

      • sens88

        When he starts to play better, I’ll make an effort to spell his name correctly.

        I like Silf so that’s why I said “I’d like to see this next year”. He had what some might consider to be a disappointing season (52GP, 10G, 13A) so maybe they would be more willing to part with him.

    • Tooks

      Remove Silf and the 1st and get Bonino or Cog instead but your dreaming if you think ANA parts with Lindholm…

      • sens88

        They have Fowler, and some pretty good D prospects coming up (Theodore, Vatanen) that provide offense. You never know.

    • Turbo_Prop

      Spezza for Lindholm and Silf would be great- hoping the ducks lose this round to make that type of trade more likely.

      I still think theres a good chance we pick up Chris Stewart, maybe for Wiercioch and Prince/SDC. In that lineup, Phillips takes Wiercioch’s spot on the bottom pairing, and Stewart shuffles Hoffman down

    • jtf927

      this would be an awesome trade. the only way i would entertain an offer from anaheim was if they included lindholm, good young dman. and i want silver surfer back on our team along with the first. awesome trade.

    • Jakester

      I don’t want Silfverberg back, his skating is very suspect!

    • Rafi Bomb

      I would rather trade for Devante Smith Pelly than Silverberg. A package of DSP, Emerson Etem, Hampus Lindholm and a 2015 1st is what I would be looking for.

      • sens88

        That sounds amazing, but sadly i think it’s too big of a return.

  • Roar…

    You know it’s odd… people have talked so much crap about Crosby & Malkin over the past few days. Yet, in the same breathe, so much praise for Toews & Kane. Malkin’s production and +/- were better than both of Kane & Toews by the way. Crosby’s production was off… largely do to a career low 2.5% shooting percentage in the playoff. Had he clicked at his career playoff average of 13.5% he’d have 6 goals, 14 points, be +2 (Toews & Kane at +5) and likely have his Penguins in the conference finals.

    Now lets evaluate the truth of the matter…
    Defense – Keith, Seabrooke, Oduya, Hjallmarsson and Leddy
    vs.
    Defense – Letang (not at 100%), Orpik, Martin, Niskanen & Matta

    One is world class… the other has 2 good players, a promising rookie, and spare parts.

    The supporting cast:
    Pens – Neal, Kunitz, Sutter, Jokinen & Stempniak
    vs.
    Hawks – Hossa, Sharp, Bickell, Shaw, Versteeg

    I know which group I’d prefer… not to mention Chicago’s bottom 6 guys are far superior.

    The reality is… Chicago is a better team. Largely because their top end guys (Toews, Sharp, Kane, Hossa) all clock in on bargain contracts, allowing them to have superior depth throughout the lineup.

    Sure Kane & Toews are clutch, but I’m pretty damn sure the Pens would look a lot sexier and win more if they had more cash to go around, and in a few years as the cap keeps going up they will. And they will be scary good. Especially if they can lure a big free agent #1 D to their team.

    • whammer44

      Well said, except I don’t see the Pens D as 2 good players…and spare parts. Pens D is pretty good. Any one of their starting 6 would slide into the Sens top 4.They kept enough pucks out of the net to win, they just couldn’t score.

      The key difference is as you said in the supporting cast of forwards. Bottom 6 (except Sutter) and Crosby’s linemates…Crosby has made Kunitz seem better than he is and who is the other forward on that line? Gibson…who? or Stempniak…er…ok.

      Imo there’s no way they are considering moving Malkin…media gossip at best.

      • Sandy

        They really missed Dupuis..

        • Rafi Bomb

          Pierre McGuire was on TSN1200 about a week ago and he expressed the same sentiments. Dupuis seems to be a real “glue” guy.

          Aside from that a beat writer for the Pens was arguing that they lacked toughness. They felt that the team allowed the opposition to take too many liberties on Crosby and Malkin and felt the organization failed to build a support cast to protect them.

    • esk

      crosby is overated. malkin was MVP for that stanley cup run…1st olympic gold he didnt do shit all the whole tournament except the golden goal which was really an excellent play from iggy…2nd olympic gold..didnt do shit all…past 5 years shit all in the nhl playoffs…best player in the world? lmao yah right

    • aegiszx

      People praise Shero, but not a word of mention or praise for Stan. He took over an elite team from Tallon, one that was then gutted, and re-built it to win another SC… and on the verge of 1 more.

      Top to bottom, the Hawks are an elite team, with serious depth. The problem with Pittsburgh IMO is that their depth guys have not quite matured yet (they will get there), and their D is questionable… The Hawks on the other hand, have taken a page from Holland, and let their guys sit in the AHL until they are ready. My wife always jokes with me that the Hawks bottom 6 guys could probably be the Sens top 6…

  • whammer44

    Definitely some personnel changes coming in Shark land…http://t.co/qS3CpZ3Cb9

    • Millennium

      San Jose is a really interesting case. Strong team, but repeated playoff failing. Clearly they don’t think that’s a coaching problem, so its gotta be in the players. I’m not sure what the solution is, but you have to think that maybe moving Thornton or Marleau is the kind of shakeup their team needs. Would get a really nice return as well.

      • Sandy

        Reminds me of the days the Sens were such a strong regular season team. Just couldn’t get over the hump in the playoffs..

        • aegiszx

          Yes exactly… Ive heard it for years… “The Sens are playoff chokers”…

          I guess thats why I personally dont look into the whole presidents cup trophy too much… once you are in the dance, you have a shot… The playoffs are a whole nother beast… Caps? Canucks? Sharks? Blues? All winners of the regular season but losers in the playoffs…

          • runningbear1974

            We never had a a smart team… Not adaptable, versatile, quick thinking, good decisions…
            We’ve been a skilled team for long time… Even in the Yashin days when we kept losing to buffalo in the playoffs… We had more skill but they had Hasek… Against Toronto, we had more skill… So, what, lets try that again? No way….
            We are finally getting the right mentality that is required to start winning… Willingness to learn, adapt, grow a full game from everyone…

          • Zelle

            That’s what makes Chicago a dynasty I guess. President trophy and the Cup? No problem. Two cups in four years? Sure! Breaking records for not losing in regulation since the start of the season, no sweat.

          • runningbear1974

            Scotty Bowman is a genius… We should follow his lead… He created the detroit franchise that is successful today… He’s doing it to chicago…

      • sprucesens

        their return should be no different or less than spezza, assuming the fact that teams are allowed to talk contract with spezza. He’s younger, and produces more points, but is less 2 way

  • Sandy

    That 4th line of Montreal is owning the 4th line on Boston..
    The Bruins are really missing Chris Kelly..

    • Rafi Bomb

      Their roster has had some substantial changes from last season. They had Horton, Jagr, Seguin, Peverley and Ference as well as a healthy Kelly, Seidenberg and McQuaid.

      I don’t think Ericsson has panned out as expected but clearly Reilly Smith has been a nice surprise and Jarome Iginla has had a great year.

      Overall they are a lot younger in some key areas and I think that is leading to some inconsistencies. Then there is the injuries to key players and aside from that Thornton is almost at the end of his career so he isn’t as good as last year and Marchand has been poor thus far.

  • Sandy

    Down 1-0 and now the Bruins take a penalty.

  • luckan20

    Bruins are done. The guys are rattled. Look very ordinary team. No offense from Krejci or Bergeron line. Ottawa forwards look better as of now. Habs speed killed us and will destroy Bruins too.

    • Rafi Bomb

      They are having a weak first period but it is a 60 minute game and they have some very high end veterans and leaders on that team. A momentum shift may have you rethinking your position.

    • Sandy

      Habs speed killed us? In this regular season.. but last playoffs they got their asses kicked by Ottawa.

      • Jakester

        Geez every game this year Sens outshot them by 15-20 shots. The refs killed us and so did late whistles.

    • Zelle

      Wasn’t the Habs speed that killed us. They weren’t the only team that were beating the Senators after Sens took the lead. Bad PK and defense breakdown killed the Sens. They did it to themselves.

  • Sandy

    I knew it would be a parade to the penalty box with Dave Jackson & Dan O’Rourke doing the game. They did game 2.. and it was penalties.. after penalties..

    It will be a sad day if the Habs win tonight..

    Will they burn their city down?

    • sprucesens

      one can only hope

    • Jakester

      The fix was in when I heard o’rourke’s name. The call on Marchand in the first was a joke.

  • luckan20

    Glimpses of Bruins only showed up the last minute or so.

  • Conor_smythe

    I think its pretty obvious at this point that Subban is in fact a better defenceman than Karlsson

    hurts me to say it.. but the truth hurts sometimes

    • jtf927

      that will always be a debatable point. however, unlike subban, karlsson gets praise for his pure skill as opposed to his dramatics on the ice.

      • Sandy

        Karlsson has class. Subban is an arrogant SOB..

        • jtf927

          absolutely.

        • Conor_smythe

          lol.. Karlsson is plenty arrogant..

          believe me, Karlsson is his own number 1 fan

      • Zelle

        I can’t believe Sens fans actually believe he doesn’t play defense. When other people say it I understand because they must not watch many, if any, Sens games. But as a Sens fan how can you not see his defensive skill as well as offensive?

        • jtf927

          i never said that either player does not play defense. all i said, is that one predominantly receives attention for his skill on the ice while the other receives attention for other attributes.

    • Jakester

      What are u talking about. Let Karlsson be back on two feet next year and be paired with someone who can play some D.

      • jtf927

        absolutely. sens dcorp and goaltending was nowhere near the calibre of the habs this past season.

      • Conor_smythe

        lool “paired with someone who can play some d”

        karlsson cannot play “D”. only “O”

        thats the problem.. and the reason I say Subban is better at Deeeeeeeeeeefence

        • Jakester

          Hey dickweed when he won the Norris he was plus 35, so go put that in your pipe. Takes a good two years to recover from an Achilles tear!

          • Conor_smythe

            and he was playing with Kuba.. so your argument of “give him a better D partner” holds no water

            also, we all know he won that year because of his points total.. which is offence, not defence

            dickweed

          • Sandy

            Wasn’t he something like a +16 that year?

          • Jakester

            Habs fan.

          • Jakester

            Your an idiot, he played good D, this year he had that embarrassment of a Cowen who can’t skate. And if you analyze his stats carefully he was a plus player if you take his minutes away for Spezz and Michalek. So look a little deeper when you make dumb comments, or I guess you just enjoy Subban’s piece in your cheek I guess.

          • Conor_smythe

            his defensive numbers were better WIth Cowen than they were without him

            thats right. he had worse numbers WITHOUT cowen

            I didn’t even read the rest of your comment

            idiot

          • Jakester

            You have no clue dude. He was plus away from Spezza and Michalek. He should’ve been with Methot all year. Anyhow his injury played havoc with his going back to get the puck. Anyways go F Yourself, your a douche.

          • Conor_smythe

            I dont get it, is he a winger? what does spezza and michalek have to do with it.. it sounds like you think he’s an offenceman

            hes a defenceman.. deeeeeeeefenceman

            Subban is better at DEEEEEEEFENCE.. thats my whole argument

            #youreadouche

          • Jakester

            Cuz super back checker Spezza was on the ice at the time dude, were you not watching this year. Guess watching the Habs prevents you from watching the SENS. Go watch anti- Chambre du-fus.

          • Conor_smythe

            Spezza was on the ice when Karlsson won the Norris… gonna have to do better than that

          • Jakester

            Different year ass wipe.

          • sens88

            Ignore the troll. Clearly just trying to get us all riled up

          • peetypuck

            Subban didn’t look so good last year when the Sens walked all over your Habs. Subban was going around in circles pointing and giving everyone else orders.

          • Conor_smythe

            #youre16yearsoldoryounger

            #youhaveacrushonkarlsson

            #you’reblind

          • Jakester

            You’re about 19 and I went to the forum and saw guy Lafleur as a teenager so f-off retard.

          • Conor_smythe

            #thatsevenMOREpathetic

          • sprucesens

            not gonna join in on the name calling, but subban is probably a better prototypical defender. However, he is a douche and a me first player. I’m fine with emotion and so on, but i wouldn’t want him on my team, as the go to D. Karlsson play’s D a different way, and it works 90% of the time. But after a serious injury, it takes time to get back, and get that injury out of the back of your mind, every time you go in the corner. I’d take karlsson 10 times out of 10. Give him a year with full workouts, with less spent on working out his leg, and we’ll see him improve even more.

          • Conor_smythe

            nice rebuttal

            #gottago

            ;)

          • Jakester

            Exactly, on one leg his still out scored Subban by 20 points. And at 100 percent he’s just as good asSubban defensively, Subban isn’t great in his own end. Hard to argue with a HABS Fan cuz they are blind, thank god they have the refs cuz they aren’t ‘t that good.

          • bluebuyyoo

            I have always felt that considering his size, EK plays an incredible defensive game. His use of speed, agility, momentum, angles and leverage is often quite magical to watch.

          • sprucesens

            i agree, it take incredible talent, speed and stick work to play the way he does. He didn’t have it as much this year, but hopefully will be back to top form next year. And just imagine, he still dominated offensively over every D in the league, and better than 90% of the forwards too. Glad to have him on my team

          • sprucesens

            also, let’s keep hash tags on twitter, especially if you are using them to try to make fun of people, that’s just embarrassing to read

          • Conor_smythe

            I should mention, his Offensive numbers were ALSO BETTER WITH COWEN on his side

            idiot

    • Jordan

      No hes not

    • Sensturion

      I’m still waiting on Subban to actually play some D. All I see him do in his own zone is flop around, unable to keep up with anyone.

      • Sandy

        He leaves his feet all of the time to hit opponents..

    • Sensturion
    • Sensturion
    • Aaron 2.0

      Both will be very good players for the respective teams for a long time, I’m sure. But, comparing them is challenging. Their games are very, very different. I’d build a team around Karlsson over Subban, but that’s just me. Give # 65 a legit top-2 pairing, and that would be something to watch.

    • peetypuck

      Shouldn’t you be joining the riot and breaking into stores now?

    • Guest
  • luckan20

    Pacioretty buries goal number 2. 1st PP offered for Bruins. They need to score.

    • jtf927

      no kidding. i am surprised how the bruins offense has dried up. unreal.

  • luckan20

    Habs won’t fall apart like the Leafs in game 7. Therefore, Bruins better score or they are done. Habs will be patient in the 3rd and exploit any mistakes in the 3rd period.

    • Sandy

      … and the Habs have a much better goaltender in Price..

  • Sandy

    Why don’t the refs just let the players play? Why do they have to make it all about themselves.
    They are the worst pairing in the playoffs. It’s a joke they were assigned this game 7..

  • Sandy

    Per that roster by Cullen..
    They are not splitting up Turris & McArthur.
    If they sign Grabovski… they probably end up with Kulemin as they want to play on the same team together… maybe get them at a discount?

    • Dirk-Diggler

      If all we get is Sbisa and Palmeiri then keep Spezza

      • Sandy

        That’s probably all Toronto hopes we get..

        • peetypuck

          I thought Scott Cullen knew what he was doing but it turns out he’s just another Toronto media twit.

  • Sandy

    Gee.. interference call against the Bruins with around 5 min left in the game.. surprise..

    • bluebuyyoo

      Only call of the 3rd. Leads to a goal too.

      • Sandy

        Not surprised one little bit..
        Montreal had better request those 2 refs for the rest of their playoffs.

        • Jakester

          Or Peel he works hard for the Habs too!

    • sprucesens

      that one was a legit call. i called it before the ref’s hand even went up. Snowing the goalie though?? that was pathetic

  • Sandy

    Looks like Mtl just about has this wrapped up. Sad day for hockey.. Iginla still doesn’t get his Stanley Cup this season..

  • Jakester

    Well lost 20 bucks there! Refs are real brutal.

  • Tooks

    Jesus Price!

    Well MTL vs NYR is gonna be a good story match up. St. Louis and all vs his hometown!

    • Jakester

      Oh geez not you!

    • Sensturion

      Good story? Maybe. Good matchup? Can you say snooze fest? What a joke. Two teams that sit back and wait for the other to make a mistake and dive face first in front of pucks. That’s the definition of exciting hockey…

      • aegiszx

        Lol, snooze fest? Brodeur and his cup rings say hello.

      • bluebuyyoo

        The way Price and Lundqvist are playing, we could be looking at 7 OT games.

  • bluebuyyoo

    Sympathy call against Mtl too little too late.

  • Jakester

    Lars Eller where’s Gryba when u need him!

  • bluebuyyoo

    3 Stars
    1. Carey Price
    2. Dan O’Rourke
    3. Dave Jackson

    • Sandy

      Pretty disgusting… Bruins had no chance against 2 teams.

      • wild bill

        Nhl picked the winner

      • whammer44

        Habs were the better team. They made the bruins look slow with their speed.

        • Sandy

          Think about this.. IF Bishop would not have been hurt and playing in round 1.. The Habs probably would have lost that series.
          It was a 4 game sweep with 3 of the games going to OT with a bad goalie in net for Tampa.
          They were lucky Bishop was injured.

          • whammer44

            Maybe or maybe not…really has nothing to do with this series though.

  • Sandy

    So where does Iginla play next season?

    • Jakester

      Pitts lol

      • aegiszx

        Detroit. Best chance to win ;)

        • Jakester

          Alfie is this you?

    • bluebuyyoo

      Maybe he should ask Hossa. It took him a few teams to get it right :-)

      • aegiszx

        Hossa has played in 4 SCF in the past 6 years… God damn…

        • Sandy

          He should still be in Ottawa..

  • Sensturion

    I have little faith in the Rangers, but when I think about it, they were able to keep Pittsburgh, a better offensive team than Montreal, to two goals a game…

    • sprucesens

      the rangers are like a higher priced version of columbus. I’ll be cheering for them in the remainder of the playoffs, not even because they play the habs, but that sure helps. Go nash!

  • Andrews theory

    If Anaheim is the team were dealing with for Spezza, you gotta think they are starting with their first rounder back.

  • Sandy

    If the return for Spezza is Palmerie & Sbisa… then keep Spezza’s ass in Ottawa. That’s an embarrassing return.. What a joke by a Toronto centric reporter.

    • Millennium

      Say what you want about the return suggested, but Cullen is a smart man. He’s a numbers guy, and extremely good at what he does.

      • Sandy

        With that offer.. I hope Murray hangs up the phone. That’s embarrassing..

        • Millennium

          If it comes with a 1st round pick (which I’m guessing it does), its actually not that far off what we would get for 1 year of Spezza. Not sure I’d want Sbisa, but the other two pieces are certainly on par if you add a different roster player.

          • sprucesens

            yeah no thanks. You can bet many other teams will offer up more than that. Not against grabovski, has always had sick hands, and is under appreciated, but thats if we strike out on other higher end FA’s. Man what a horrible lineup that is. If we can get 2 young TOP talents with no picks, i’m ok with that. Not 2 mid level players and a pick that may never even make the NHL in a weak draft class. Although i would be stoke for mcdavid, unfortunately, we’d have absolutely no one left to play with him, because all our talent will have packed up and left town. Either palmieri or sbisa is ok as the 2nd piece, but not as the top portion of the return.

        • peetypuck

          Palmeira only plays about 12 minutes a game and Sbisa, when he’s not hurt gets around 17 minutes. Not what I call a top-6 forward or a top 4 d-man.

          • Tooks

            Ya and you get that with Spezza alone, we are gonna have to add if we want a top 3 D or top 3 FW.

    • PaulMacLeansDuster

      He probably thinks it will be palmieri, Sbiza and a first this year for Spezza. I don’t think they make a quantity for quality trade like this however. They have too many players for a limited number of NHL spots as is. Especially on D where Sbiza would be their 9th d-man with a one way contract. I think Spezza will return a good nhl forward and a pick.

    • Tooks

      Be mad all you want Sandy but thats about what every team will offer for Spezza. Fans here overvalue players like its going out of style. Other teams arent stupid (well NYI…) they wont give up the farm for an aging vet with serious injury issues.

  • Sandy

    The thing with the Habs.. IF Bishop would have been playing they would have lost in the first round..

  • sens88

    I’m certainly no Habs fan, but I really like Price, so I’m cheering for them against the Rangers. Hoping the Blackhawks can repeat though!

    • Sandy

      I would never cheer for the Habs… probably the same as the Hab fans did not cheer for the Sens when they went to the Cup final..
      Have they rioted yet?

    • Zelle

      I love Price but I still can’t cheer for them lol Plus I like Lundqvist just as much and he deserves a cup!

    • jtf927

      i like the rangers alot. rick nash is one of my favorite players, and i always liked vigneault. nyr, la, and chicago are my favorite teams in this years playoffs. i’ll never like pitts b/c of the rivalry with the sens and i can’t stand habs fans. the wild no way b/c of cooke and heatley. glad they got booted out. toews is an awesome captain. everyone talks about sid, talk about toews. he is an awesome leader.

  • Sandy

    Looks like LA solved young Gibson. Up 2-0 in the 2nd period. Last goal wasn’t a good goal to let in for Gibson…

  • SensFanInMTL

    We can all go with Cullen’s line up but he failed to mention that with his line up, that ensures us McDavid. It’s funny really because whoever takes that line up seriously, well. No one will. Spezza is good as gone. Doesn’t seem Michalek will be given another contract though I could be mistaken and Hemsky’s probably been back in the Czech Republic for a month already. We (Murray & Co.) will be bringing some bodies up in all forms: From the Spezza trade and prospects honing their craft in the CHL, AHL and overseas. I bet you the kids in Bingo outperform Greening & Condra and bump out both guys off the finalized roster in September and we can be on our way. On our way.

    • Millennium

      Its really not a far-fetched lineup when you consider the limitations he built it under. It respected our internal budget, he traded Spezza for a player, a prospect, and a pick (presumed), and he ran the lines pretty much exactly how they would play out. I’m not entirely sure about Palmieri on the 1st line, or breaking up Mac and Turris, but the lineup he has is 90% our current lineup + the Spezza trade. It has us thin on the wings, but that’s because we already are thin on the wings with Hemsky and Michalek gone. The biggest problem is that he has us carrying 8 D which seems unnecessary.

      Greening is too expensive to sit, so he either plays, or they have to find someone to dump him on. Condra will be where he always is, a fringe bottom winger that plays good PK and possession hockey for dirt cheap. Maclean likes him, and Melnyk can afford him.

      To suggest that Cullen’s lineup gets us McDavid vs what we currently have going into next season is pretty ludicrous. Its a perfectly plausible and financially competitive hypothetical line up (and it is just hypothetical).

    • sprucesens

      If all of Greening, Condra, phillips, cowen, PW, and neil are all still taking regular shifts, this team will fail, and fail hard. I guess add gryba to that list. I like 2 on that list, but know they aren’t enough to get us to the playoffs, let alone win anything. Luckily thats just a blogger randomly picking 2 names from a team that is interested, just like we’ve all been doing. This trade becomes HORRIBLE if we let anaheim resign him/talk to him first. If you can get turris for rundblad and a 2nd pick, surely murray can pull off something better than this return for spezza, a PPG center of which only 5 other players currently playing, have accomplished.

  • sprucesens

    please god let LA, ANA, NSH, STL offer up more than cullen’s trade scenario. And i’m not religious!

    • s3nsfan

      What was his trade scenario?

  • Brutus5247

    As per Scott Cullen discussing his prospective team for next year.

    After making his presence felt as a rookie in 2012-2013, Eric Gryba’s role was reduced last season. He dressed in 57 games and logged nearly three minutes less per game than the year before. He doesn’t do anything special, particularly offensively, but he can do a reasonable job in a depth defensive role.

    Ya think that has anything to do with Karlsson coming back? What a f’n moron, nothing like stating the obvious.

  • SensChirp

    New post here including a link to Cullen’s projected roster

    http://senschirp.ca/news/future-cloudy-stephane-da-costa/