Spezza Does Not Have Full NTC

SensChirp April 21, 2014 684
Spezza Does Not Have Full NTC

Lost in the talk around the ridiculous cover on today’s edition of the Ottawa Sun was an interesting article about the status of Senators Captain Jason Spezza.  Particularly, some important details about the no trade clause on his current contract.

Initially it was believed to have been a full no trade clause but according to Bruce Garrioch’s league source, which I assume is Bryan Murray, Spezza does not have a full NTC.  According to the article, Spezza was required to submit a list of 10 teams he could not be traded to back in July 2012.  This is an important distinction as it gives the Senators a lot more leverage as they explore a deal for their Captain this summer.

We’ve talked about the situation at length here on the site but it is important to understand that this time, both sides seem to agree that it is for the best to go their separate ways.  It remains to be seen how many teams actually have legitimate interest in Spezza but we know Anaheim, St. Louis and Colorado were involved. Toronto and Phoenix make sense too.  It sounds like Bryan Murray will have some options this summer.

So if there was every any doubt about Spezza’s future, this article and corresponding newspaper cover pretty much solidifies it.  Before going to print with a story like this, you can be certain Garrioch has the blessing of the organization, in way or another.

Unless the offers fall short of Murray’s demand, it sure looks like the Ottawa Senators are going to lose their Captain for a second consecutive summer.

  • Pasky

    I still don’t see where Colorado fits in. They’re Top 6 already has Duchesne and MacKinnon down the middle, and I would rather both of those guys than an aging Spezza.

    • SensChirp

      I think they looked into it at the deadline because they have decisions to make on Stastny and O’Reilly this summer.

      • Pasky

        Makes sense I guess, but considering how good MacKinnon’s been playing, I’d leave him as a #2 Center, and Spezza probably wouldn’t go somewhere where he’s #3

      • karlssens

        Give us O’Reilly

        • Doc

          With the qualifying offer and his subsequent contract he received, O’Reilly is due for a hefty raise for his next contract.

          He’s the one more likely to be mvoed, and I would LOVE to have him in a Sens uni, but I don’t see Uncle Euge opening up his wallet.

          • Jonny

            ^this^

          • Uncle JOe

            How much would you give O’Reilly?

          • FistsofNeil25

            I really don’t see how he is likely to be moved, not for two more years anyway. Stastny will walk away as a UFA and O’Reilly will be re-signed and kept around until MacKinnon is eligible for his first big contract and Eric Johnson is due for a raise. That’s when they will have to make big decisions on O’Reilly

      • Andrews theory

        I’d welcome either one of these guys.
        Frankly, I’d welcome any one of their top 7 forwards lol

    • hq8

      i dont think COL will let go of O’Reilly. he is their version of Datsyuk

    • NickofTime

      BM should trade Spezza to St Louis for a deal which includes Berglund & make a separate deal for O’Reily in Colorado especially if they get a pick from St Louis. BM should also re-sign Michalek & acquire Stewart from Buffalo as cheaply as possible. But it’s quite likely the owner will prevent any deals that takes the internal budget over $56 mil.
      MacArthur – Turris – Ryan
      O’Reily – Berglund – Stewart
      Michalek – Zibanejad – Stone
      Greening – Z. Smith – Neil/Hoffman

  • Pasky

    A deal I would love to make with St-Louis:

    Spezza
    Weircioch or Borowiecki

    for

    Shattenkirk
    Schwartz
    1st 2015

    • sens23

      you know who doesnt love that trade? the St Louis Blues

      • Captain Karl

        Why are you so negative

        • Doc

          He’s right though.

          • Brutus5247

            Has been+hasn’t been+won’t be

            for
            a will be and another will be? HMM!
            I’d say NEVER unless somebody spikes St Louis’s water with LSD.

    • Jonny

      I think we would have to give them Cowen as a sweetener!

    • FistsofNeil25

      I think we would be lucky to get Shattenkirk or Schwartz straight up for Spezz at this point. St Louis isn’t going to give up two good pieces like that for Spezza. They would want Spezza to go there and play with those guys.

  • whammer44

    Well this changes everything. If there are still 20 teams in the running BM should be able to work out a favourable deal. Lets hope Kings, Hawks, Bolts, etc get quick exists and a few teams target Spezza as a solution to their needs.

  • Andrews theory

    I’ve been saying it forever and a day but I’ll throw it out again.
    I’d like to see a deal with Pheonix focused around Keith Yandle.
    Money in, Money out…

    He’s an elite defenseman signed for another 2 years at 5.2. It gives Murray a bit more flexibility to retain players and /or add a couple of the 2 million dollar superstars Eugene talked about.

    • Uncle JOe

      As much as I would love to see Yandle in a Sens uniform, I would think Pheonix is on his list of 10…

      • Andrews theory

        It may have been a team that was on his list in the past but Pheonix is a pretty incredible place to live, the team is now financially secure and he would have the option of trying them out for a year before hitting Free Agency (something several teams will be leary of when negotiating)

        • Uncle JOe

          I guess that is true. I would still be super surprised though.. Happy we got Yandle but very surprised.

    • Jonny

      Excellent post! This is where our focus should be!

  • whammer44

    I’ll throw this out there…Spezza for Tanner Pearson-Justin Williams and a pick

    • Andrews theory

      big fan of Williams but I think LA would need to sweeten the pot a bit

      • whammer44

        Williams is very under-rated…the trade would satisfy the want of a prospect, roster player and a pick. I’m not sure how high the Kings are on Pearson but I think this kind of deal is the best case scenario for the Sens…and possibly win-win

        • Jonny

          Go for Toffoli instead!

  • Sensturion

    Lost in all this talk about Spezza is the sickening display that is the officiating in the Montreal-Tampa series. The bias makes me sick to my stomach. Last night was the first time I heard everyone (excluding Ron – A ref will never throw another ref under the bus, evidently) on the CBC panel agree on something relating to a horrible call. Phantom penalties whenever Tampa seemed to gain some momentum and no penalties whenever Montreal had possession. Sickening and ridiculous.

    • Uncle JOe

      How crazy was that eh!!?? And I was watching with a Habs fan and he was still saying the refs were not calling things on Tampa!! haha

    • senate19

      The game Ottawa lost toward the end of the year against Montreal spoke volumes to me – turned both our team and theirs in opposite directions. That game was too close to call and the refs blew it wide open. Makes me sick

  • Sensturion

    Also, what’s with this new “incidental” contact bullshit? Either you hit the goalie or you don’t. In my mind, if a goal is called back because of goalie interference, there should be a penalty on the play.

    As for last night’s no goal call, apparently Price was unable to make a save on the play despite actually making a save and the puck trickling in… How does that make any sense?

    • Simple Jack

      That changed the game, it reminded me of the reffs screwing ottawa, now it happens to tampa.

  • Simple Jack

    Spezza and cowen for kane and ladd

    • Andrews theory

      haha
      DONE

    • Sensturion

      I don’t think there are enough vets in Ottawa to deal with Kane’s ego and troublemaking ways. As for Ladd, I’ll leave that to Spezzafan

      • do due dew doodoo

        I think Spezzafan19, Tookie, Canucnik and ZipZapRap are still
        posting on the old board and are wondering where everybody went

        • HarvardYaleAndPrincetonMan

          Peluso too

      • TookieIs100PercentRight

        Kane isn’t a troublemaker. He’s black and the small-minded Winnipeg media have zoned in on that because of that. He hasn’t done anything reprehensible and criminal and I’d love him in an Ottawa uniform.
        TOOKS100% OUT!!!!!

  • Nikola Todorić

    At the end of the day, as Chirp pointed out, there is this sad realization that the Senators will not win a Stanley Cup with Eugene Melnyk as owner. So, if he is not committed to winning, it is really hard being an optimistic fan of this team. I am not saying that I don’t care where he is traded or what the return is, I just with I could fast fwd to the conclusion of the Melnyk era. Spezza will be traded for a package that is budget oriented but has also value for the team.

    This is not our first star player that we are going to lose. Essentially, the ottawa senators have chosen Bobby Ryan over Jason Spezza because of the money.

    It’s all about the money people. No arguments to be made.

    • Andrews theory

      to be honest, if i had to choose Spezza or Ryan, I’d choose Ryan 10 times out of 10 times at this stage.

      • Nikola Todorić

        it’s the right choice. no doubt…

    • Uncle JOe

      Dude.. fastfowarding to the end of the Melnyk erra could very well mean fast fowarding to the end of the Sens. So.. I’ll take Melnyk’s cautious spending and live with the team we have (that is good.. and in a REBUILD remember) over not having a team at all.

      Don’t bite the hand that feeds you..

      • Doc

        That notion is just silly. You’re basing this off of nothing but your opinion.

        Melnyk does equal the Sens. The NHL will not let the franchise be moved. And I have no doubts that there would be potential buyers if he sold the team.

        • Uncle JOe

          You are also basing this off nothing but your opinion. I do have my doubts that we would have a plethora of buyers. Cmon now, we are talking about a few hundred million dollars. This is not a used car. I’m just saying.. we got very lucky when Melnyk bought the team, we where going bankrupt, wasn’t long before we were done. I’m definitely ready to give him a few years to get his finances in order. Besides, everyone is making this “budget” think out to be WAY BIGGER deal than it is.

          • Doc

            Have your doubts, it changes nothing. You really think he’s the only person with that kind of cash in the region?

            Also, cudos to Uncle Euge, who bought the team debt free for 93 millions, which is now worth 380 millions according to Forbes. A true and humble saviour.

            An average of 83 millions in annual revenue. Add to that a new TV rights deal that should bring in excess of 40 millions annually. There was also a economic impact study from the University of Ottawa that revealed that the Senators Sports & Entertainment brings in $100 million in spending to the city each year. So we know the league wouldn’t move the Team….but one has to ask

            SO WHY IS HE STILL CRYING POOR?

            *cough casino cough cough*

            If he really needs to “get his finances in order” for a few years then do so without hurting the team or using it as a bargaining tool for your future endeavours. Sell it or find a partner. We deserve better as a fan base. This is tiring.

          • Uncle JOe

            If he bought the team for 93 million it is because it was worth 93 million at the time. Why do you think he got it for so cheap? because there was a bidding war!? Have you ever bought a house? If there is a bidding war the price goes up. If you have to sell and no one wants to buy, the price goes down. So sure now it’s possibly worth 380 million. He would never get that anyways. But he is why it is now worth that much. He invested and it paid off. Its how it goes.

            Sure, he is probably ‘crying poor’ to get a Casino. But as I said before, divorce can be a hard thing. There is a reason the hole thing is super hush hush.

            I think, and again, as you often point out.. it’s my opinion only, that Melnyk is simply trying to rid of some debt, be it because of his companies having a hard time, the divorce or whatever. Just cause a guy has “billions” does not mean he does not have debt.

            I will agree that holding the team ‘hostage’ isn’t cool though but he is just trying to make a point to the city.

            And again. Please tell me how you would of spent more money on the team this year. Like.. say there was no ‘restrictions’ no ‘budget’ it’s a free for all, spend to the cap. Given the year we had tell me what YOU would have done.

      • Andrews theory

        NHL has 0, let me repeat 0 intention of allowing the Senators leave Ottawa under Melnyk or any other person.

        There is a substantial list of investors interested in acquiring a franchise especially a franchise in Canada with a stock pile of young talent, a lucrative tv contract and a healthy fan base.

        A league source mentioned to me that “buyers would be lined up all the way down the queensway if a for sale sign goes up”.

        The NHL model is a proven money maker when you look on the return in investment over a 5-10 year span.

        • Uncle JOe

          How are you so sure? I definitely hope you are right but in the end, the NHL is about making money.

          I guess it’s true, odds are the team would not be moved. But thinking ‘buyers would line up’ is a little naive.

          • Andrews theory

            thats the words directly from someone with 3 cup rings and a job within the NHL currently. I’ll take his opinion any day.

          • Uncle JOe

            I guess.. but many times those excellent hockey players are not the best business men. Like Orr for example.

          • Apposite

            Yeah, sure. Eagleson had nothing to do with that.

          • CUP 2014-15

            Don’t know if Bobby is the best example. he owns a pretty successful agency and represents Spezz and Gryba from the Sens. I do agree that some of them are maroons though, I agree with your opinion just not the man.

          • Uncle JOe

            I regress.. Orr was not the best example. But you understood my point.

          • CUP 2014-15

            1OO% and agree

      • GS86

        if someone bought the coyotes, im sure ottawa will be fine..if it was for sale there would be bidders ready at moments notice

        • Uncle JOe

          I guess. Coyote’s was a whole different ordeal. The team could not be moved because of that lease agreement.

          • GS86

            nhl hockey is here to stay, so i wouldnt worry about that..but EM needs to open the wallet abit, u cant win big playing 25 cents in a dollar slot machine

    • Uncle JOe

      and why do people think it is as easy to change an owner then it is a coach, gm or player?? It’s not. It’s completely not the same deal.

    • Matthew Rutldge-Taylor

      Umm, Ryan get $5.5 Million next year, Spezza gets $4m. Also, I bet Ryan gets more on his next contract than Spezza does.

  • Doc

    Love the pic you chose Chirp lol.

    • Zelle

      Spezza is not amused. lol

  • hq8

    shame that the senators are turning this thing or allowing it to turn into the drama it becomes for every other team in the league where the full gory details keep pilfering out one-by-one.

    from every aspect, its in the sens best interest to keep this as quiet and secretive as possible. but unfortunately, we have a loudmouth stupid owner.

  • Jordan Hendren

    So, who do we think Spezza has as his 10 teams not to be traded to? I think its got to be:
    Buffalo
    Calgary,
    Edmonton,
    Florida
    Nashville,
    NY Islanders
    NJ Devils
    Phoenix
    Vancouver
    Winnipeg
    I would also rule out these, as trading an elite #1 C in division is a TERRIBLE idea, and based upon how upset GMBM was that Alfie was leaving to a division rival, I can’t see him turning around and dealing with a rival.
    Detroit,
    Montreal,
    Toronto,
    Boston,
    Tampa

    So who does that leave with either the a) need for a Spezza and/or b) the pieces we would need in the deal and c) the cap space for his 7M cap hit?

    • Jonny

      Well SJ, LA, CHI, PIT, dont need a #1/#2C, maybe STL but Spezza hardly fits in there. Colorado have all they need for years to come.

      Maybe WSH where they obviously dont care about defense!

      • Uncle JOe

        LOL Wash would take Spezza and trade us their best D. hahaha (not Green.. he’s really a forward)

        • Jonny

          I would try and get Carlson from them!

          • Stephen Burns

            Karlsson – Carlson pairing?

          • Uncle JOe

            Bob Cole would be so messed up…

          • Uncle JOe

            hahaha I was actually thinking that as I was replying to you

      • aegiszx

        CHI has needed a No.2 C for a few years now. The problem though is the cap space… and the emphasis on a 200 ft game, something I think Spezza would struggle with as coach Q is known to have very little patience with new players buying into the system.

    • Uncle JOe

      I would imagine Columbus is in there. And Spezza is a good Canadian boy, I would wonder if Edmonton was on that list.

      But I think we can speculate all we want, we will be surprised when the time comes.

      • Jordan Hendren

        We probably will be surprised, I just can’t see him wanting to go to the gong show that is Edmonton.
        Maybe Minnesota? They’re stocking up on high-priced players, and Heatley is coming off the books. Maybe we could do something that would involve a package centred around either Granlund or Brodin?

        • Jonny

          Brodin would be amazing but I think they will do anything to keep him, after Suter its pretty slim pickings.

        • Uncle JOe

          Someone else had mentioned Minnesota but I just don’t see it. We would have to take salary back. They are close to the cap (19 mil to spend next year as per cap geek) and are rumored to be in on Vanek.

    • http://www.Merchaholic.ca Merchaholic

      Maybe Buffalo is somewhere he wants to go so he’s near home lol!

  • Don Ciccio

    If Spezza is going to be traded and it looks like he will be then, I would think that L.A would be the most likely scenario especially if L.A goes out in the 1st round which is likely to happen……I could see something like Spezza for J. Muzzin + 1st + prospect…..Then I could see us getting C. Stewart from Buf for a package revolving around S. Prince or M. Hoffman. Then if we could somehow trade Cowen + LA 1st + prospect for R. O’Reilly…..This would look so good
    MacArthur – Turris – C. Stewart
    O’Reilly – Zibanejad – Ryan
    Lazar – Pageau – Stone
    Z. Smith – Grant – CondraNeil
    Muzzin – Karlsson
    Methot – Ceci
    Wiercioch – Gryba
    Tell me that’s not a tough lineup to play against. Size and speed on every line but probably not realistic……One can dream

    • Uncle JOe

      Would be nice for sure.. But why do you plug Pageau and Grant over Hoffman? I sure like Pageau, but Hoffman showed way more promis. Unfortunately, I think Pageau’s days in Ottawa may be numbered.

      Oh nevermind .. you traded him hahaha none the less.. I dont think Pageau is going to be in our system for long.

    • Jonny

      Why C. Stewart? He’s slow, always injured, at best a 3rd line winger.

      • Jordan Hendren

        Agreed, I don’t see the appeal of a Chris Stewart. If he couldn’t compete on a team like St.Louis who has cup aspirations, why would we want him in Ottawa?

        • John_Q_Spartan

          He was traded for Ryan Miller and Steve Ott… not exactly chopped liver. I don’t want Chris Stewart but not because he couldn’t help, we could use some players with actual physical strength. I’m more concerned with giving up assets for another guy that will be an UFA sooner rather than later.

      • Don Ciccio

        Only because Murray pretty much said his name without saying his name when talking about the type of player that he will be after this off season.

        • Jonny

          Murray said he wanted a player than can skate and stood up for his teammates, doesnt sound like C. Stewart to me.

    • http://www.Merchaholic.ca Merchaholic

      It’s probably easier for you to say who we’ll keep lmfao!

    • Pasky

      How’s the money looking on that lineup? At least now we know it’ll be between 56-57M that the Sens will fall under, go from there.

      • Don Ciccio

        quick count comes in at approx. 55m

  • Jordan

    If chicago gets eliminated maybe chicago would be a possibility??

    • Jordan Hendren

      Could be, but cap space could be a problem, plus would they want to bring in somebody making more than Toews/Kane?

      • aegiszx

        Yeah, they dont have the capspace for a couple of reasons:
        - Bickell was resigned to a ridiculous contract (same as Greening ugh for a 3/4 liner)
        - Hossa is a Hawk for life with his contract (making close to Toews/Kane)
        - Sharp pretty much the same

        - Kane and Toews are both UFA the end of next season
        - And rumours are floating that Kane is opting to go to home to Buffalo (he REALLY likes being home)

        If they bring in Spezza, it’s because they plan to keep Teravainen in the AHL where they can develop him properly.

      • Pasky

        Technically Spezza making 4M next year

    • Pasky

      I thought about them as a trading partner. I would think to make the cap space work Bickel-Hjalmarsson for Spezza would give Chicago 1M in extra cap space, but would we have to add to this?

      • FistsofNeil25

        Bickell had 15 points this year and he’s making 4 million. That would be a terrible trade for Ottawa.

        • Pasky

          Agree but to trade with Chicago it’s money in money out. Not saying I like it just stating the facts.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Exactly why Chicago isn’t a good trade partner. They just can’t take on a guy with a 7 mill cap hit and give up the assets the Sens would want without dismantling a good junk of their roster. They’ve won the cup twice in the last 4 years. I don’t see them desperate enough to do what it would take to fit Spezza in.

          • Zelle

            Not at all impressed with Bickell in this series so far. I hope Ottawa doesn’t make a play for him.

  • FAB

    “Jason Spezza’s going to be gunned down in cold blood,
    metaphorically speaking anyway. Does he deserve it? Of course not.
    But, it’s all fish in a barrel once it’s blessed from above.”

    • Apposite

      “Any idiot” can trade away the face of the franchise one year, then set the table to do the very same thing the next.

  • sbs138

    how many people seriously want Chris Stewart?

    • Daybreak Maidenhead

      42 – The Answer to the Ultimate Question of Life, The Universe, and Everything.

    • aegiszx

      If BM really wants to go after a power-forward, then Stewart would definitely be interesting. The question is though, what would his line look like…? Cuz right now, we can pretty much agree our entire second line is gone (Milo/Spezza/Hemsky).

      Is BM thinking:
      Hoffman/Puempel – Zibby – Stewart

      ???

      • sbs138

        …well, then we’re screwed.

    • Sittin’ In the Bleachers

      Stewart is lazy – not exactly a Paul MacLean type of player

    • FistsofNeil25

      The one thing about Stewart is that he has the talent and ability, but it’s always been said that he doesn’t have the will. Stewart is in a contract year next year which will be motivation enough for him to play hard. I bet he has a pretty good season next year. Anything beyond that is a question mark though. We also don’t need another expiring contract on our hands.

      • Jonny

        He only had a half decent season with the Blues and they were on the verge of becoming a powerhouse. He needs a good team to be a good player.

        Murray is targeting him cuz he’s probably dirt cheap to get…

        • FistsofNeil25

          If he was dirt cheap to get he would have been ours at the deadline.

    • Pasky

      Depends on what it takes. If they accept Greening-Prince then yes trade for Stewart

    • Jonny

      It would be like keeping Milo, except Milo is much faster… Both cant stay healthy and are now former 2nd liners on the decline.

    • Uncle JOe

      I’m for one not sold on Stewart. He could fill in a need, kinda the replacement for Neil, add that grit.. those things are needed. But the price has to be right. I have a feeling people would constantly bitch about him not living up to expectations.

    • John_Q_Spartan

      Enough with the players that are 1 or 2 years aways from being UFAs. That’s not what this team needs right now.

  • Stephen Renaud

    OK I would like to see Ott trade Spezz for size and a “D”. So Spezz and (Gryz or Wier) for Simmonds, Schenn and a 2nd.
    OK here is my take on all this:
    Mac-Tur-Ryan
    Hoff-Zib-Simm
    Green-Lazar-Stone
    Puempel-Smith-Neil
    Meth-Ek65
    Cowen-Schenn
    Boro-Ceci
    Phil-Wier/Gryba

    • Brutus5247

      Not sure if you are on Crack or getting Luke Schenn is a joke. The guy is a pylon and definately slower than anybody we already have. He is probably the highest paid underachiever in the league. How does this help us?

      • Stephen Renaud

        My bad bro. My bad.

      • Stephen Renaud

        Now that I look at it I think I am on crack. Shit I really messed this up. Lol. Would love Simmonds though.

  • FAB

    “Melnyk sucks.
    We will never win the cup with Melnyk
    In fact, we will never make the playoffs again with Melnyk as owner.
    Bottom 5 team coming up next season and for the years to come.”

    • Andrews theory

      Im not a Melnyk fan but I dont see this team missing the playoffs again next year.

      • FistsofNeil25

        Well if we can take Murray for his word…

        1) He likes the defense as is

        2) Spezza, Michalek and Hemsky will be replaced internally

        Still don’t see them missing the playoffs? I’m holding on to see what Murray is able to do this summer before counting on them or writing them off. I certainly don’t have a good feeling about this team’s short-term future right now though.

        • Andrews theory

          did you really mean to make me cry? lol

          • FistsofNeil25

            Sorry man…. keep your chin up! haha

      • Zelle

        Less penalty average per game and this team was sneaking into the playoffs probably a first round exit. I think the team can make the playoffs, but as is it’s nowhere near a contender.

  • FAB

    “Until the D gets fixed, this team will continue to flounder.”

    • boom

      That sounds fishy…

      • Doc

        I don’t know, I’m hooked.

    • peetypuck

      Who will be the sole of the team?

      • Doc

        Hopefully not a turtle disaster.

        • peetypuck

          That would be sharking.
          It could be the D have trouble lacing their skates.

          • Doc

            Hopefully they don’t get whaled on too much.

          • peetypuck

            I get really crabby when that happens.

    • Jonny

      Quotes from who?

      • jasonontheoldsenschirp

        Sounds like something Denis would say LOL

  • FistsofNeil25

    The Sens better handle this Spezza situation carefully. They don’t want to make themselves look any worse than they already do. Since Alfie walked away this organizations public imagine has taken a massive turn for the worse.

    This was once a proud organization that was praised for treating it’s players right and for always being competitive. Now what are we?

    • Jonny

      A mess, Melnyk is going to run this team to the ground before he sells it. We are probably on par with the Islanders right now in terms of Org rep. (Obviously Islanders have us beat…)

    • Garrioch’s reliable source

      “The Sens better handle this Spezza situation carefully”

      DANGER! WILL ROBINSON! DANGER! DANGER!

  • GS86

    spezza to jets bring in e.kane, a 1st pick and prospect…

    • Uncle JOe

      e.Kane seems to much like a basket case.. I dont know. I’m just no high on that kid.

      • jasonontheoldsenschirp

        No he’s actually good, just not on the right team

        • Uncle JOe

          Oh I know he’s got skill.. that is not the question. And I guess they did say that about Turris…

          • jasonontheoldsenschirp

            Ya he’s in the same boat right now that Turris used to be. Just needs a different team

          • Uncle JOe

            But I dont think Turris was ever that much of a hot head. Like… I’m getting young Emery vibes from Kane…

          • FistsofNeil25

            I don’t recall Turris ever facing a lawsuit for assault.

          • jasonontheoldsenschirp

            I’m talking about Kane as a player not as a person.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Kane as a player? I still don’t see the comparison? Turris wanted out of Phoenix because he didn’t feel like the organization believed in him. They weren’t putting him in a position that he could be successful.

            Kane has been given every opportunity to succeed in Winnipeg, and they clearly believe him to the tune of $5.25 million a year.

            There is really no comparison between Kane and Turris. Turris wanted to play for a team that believed in his abilities. Kane is just a hot head.

      • sprucesens

        meh, they said the same about turris.

  • GS86

    EM needs to open the wallet abit, u cant win big playing 25 cents in a dollar slot machine

  • CUP 2014-15

    Tough move for BM to make, trading away a player like Spezz. I believe the team thinks they have two kids that are poised to play top six minutes in ZBad and Stone and “IF” they are correct then that would mean we are missing one top six forward. The bottom six was a revolving door of options last year and the one combo that PMac stuck with looked pretty bad in CG ZS and CN. Should the team truly be finishing off the rebuild then young players are where we are headed. Would love to see them get Toffoli and Andreoff out of LA or T.Wilson along with Johansson from Wash. Anderson will be moved in a package that will include someone like PW and a young centre for an upgrade to the left side of the D core, the right side will be better in a year or two as Karl and CC will eat up about 50 min. a night and Gryba will continue to work the PK and end up with about 7 min. of TOI at even strength. The one problem with this line-up is that the team will be well below the floor and will need to find at least one UFA to get back to the mid 50M+. Would be nice to have 2 lefties at centre.
    MacC Turris Stone
    UFA ZBad Ryan
    Hoffman ZS Toffoli
    CG Andreoff Neil
    Trade Karl
    MM CC
    Cowen Gryba
    This could be a top end team in a couple of years and my post name is way off. LOL

    • FistsofNeil25

      I don’t know much about Andreoff but I don’t suggest saddling any player with having to play with both Greening and Neil!

      • CUP 2014-15

        He is a mean and nasty player who plays in all zones, lefty at centre and your right about his wingers, just no way I can see the Sens finding a way out of CG contract and Neil should not be more then a 7 or 8 min guy

        • FistsofNeil25

          If there’s a will there’s a way! Greening has got to go! Can you believe he has some kind of no-trade agreement? What was Murray thinking.

          I know Bryan gets a lot of praise around here but some of his moves have been pretty questionable.

          • CUP 2014-15

            I don’t know what happened to CG last year but his rookie season looked good and he has been one of our top players in the post season so he tried to do what he did with ZS and KT and saw him as a long term small contract if he was what he though he was. Sure as hell looks like he screwed the pooch on that one.

          • FistsofNeil25

            I don’t recall Greening ever being on of our top post season performers. Certainly not good enough to deserve a NTC.

          • CUP 2014-15

            Agree with the NTC, but he has been very good in the post season.

          • Uncle JOe

            I agree. Its almost like he thanks guys for their loyalty with contracts (Phillips) but end up being a thorn in his side afterwards.

    • Uncle JOe

      The notion of “the team think they have two kids that can play top 6″ kinda does not sit well with me. Mainly due to the thought we had two NHL ready defence this year.. and we know how that turned out. We can’t just let the kids run in expecting too much from them. Let them ease in and earn there spots.

      and I’m curious to who you would sign as a UFA.. there isn’t much out there this year. Moulson maybe? Just anyone remotely interesting will be demanding big bucks and someone will overpay.. or am I being cheap like Melnyk? We should just sign Moulson to 8 mil for 8 years eh?

      • CUP 2014-15

        Just spit balling with where the team is going but if that was the line-up, I am not sure 8M would even get them to the floor. I also don’t like all the youngsters at once and yes we saw that on the blueline this year and there is still Puemple and Lazar to come so room will need to be made this year or next.

        • Uncle JOe

          Definitely a need for room to be made. That is why I’m thinking Pageau is gone. From all i hear, Lazar is almost a sure thing and I’m thinking we will have to see what Puemple does. I imagine any trade with Spezza will involve one or two of our prospects.

          But I’m looking at the free agents list and there is not many players that are that interesting. Would you just gamble on Moulson? Like, give him more than we know he is worth only to make it to the cap floor and to appease some of the fans? We will be taking salary back in the Spezza trade that is a given.

          • CUP 2014-15

            Agree and I don’t like Moulson to the tune of 8M either and another area that BM might be looking is toward contracts that are tieing teams hands from making the moves they want to make. He could look to take on a vet with one or two years left, not sure how this is going to shake out but imagine if we still had Silfverberg and Nosen, the log jam would be stupid. There is still Prince and we can be pretty sure SDC is on his way out of town as well.

          • Uncle JOe

            Hopefully that is an option Murray is looking at. A vet with a few years left on a contract (kinda like Richards say) would probably be a good thing for us too. SDC is definitely on the way out. I liked the way Prince played when I did see him.. but yeah. I think the bar is a little to high for him to make it too. But I do see Prince staying in the AHL at least one more year and maybe having a shot the season after.

        • sprucesens

          i like toffoli a lot, hadn’t heard anything about andreoff, big guy? Lots of options for UFA spot. Few options through trade. Biggest hole though is that top pairing. I’m thinking whatever spezza trade we make will be a young top forward, and high potential D, also young, and a pick. Maybe have to send one of our young d back also. UFA’s i’d say cammy or moulson are possible.

          • CUP 2014-15

            Andreoff is ZS size and from hockey futures I pulled this out:

            Talent Analysis

            Andreoff makes his living as an agitating and high-energy presence on the ice. He is not at all afraid to throw the body, get in the face of the opponent, and stand up for his teammates. What separates Andreoff from other grinders and agitators is his solid two-way game. He can kill penalties, take a defensive zone draw, and even chip in on an occasional powerplay. He has more skill than your average grinder, with just as much tenacity.

          • BeJamin

            I like Dwight King more

      • whammer44

        If you are going to over pay for a FA I would make it Niskanen or Stastny

        • Uncle JOe

          well I’m all for Niskanen. I would rather not over pay for Stastny but I think he will be one guy who will kinda be under the redar and come at a decent price.

  • sprucesens

    so what day is the draft, so we can all be excited/terrified of whats going to happen to our beloved team. Sounds like we will be busy with a new look next year, for better or worse.

    • Uncle JOe

      I do kind of hope that the Spezza deal happens at the draft.. before the start of training camp.

      • sprucesens

        i imagine it’ll happen by the draft day, if not sooner, so everyone can calm down and be ready to go by the time camp opens

      • jasonontheoldsenschirp

        Ya I think it happens at the draft

      • FistsofNeil25

        It will be interesting to see when it happens. I doubt that Murray would get the kind of value he’s looking for at the draft. I think Spezza’s value will be at it’s highest after a couple weeks of free agency when teams have struck out on signing players.

        If Murray is desperate to acquire a first in this years draft then I could see the trade going down prior to, or at the draft. Otherwise they won’t rush a deal.

    • peetypuck

      This is all happening because Melnyk refused to open his wallet. I think the team would have had much better results if Alfie had stayed along with getting Ryan. Plus a good veteran d-man instead of Oh-Oh Corvo.

      • Uncle JOe

        I dont know. I love Alfy and all. But giving him 7.5 ish (as rumored he wanted from the Sens) for a aging, on again off again I might retire type player was.. steap. I still think Alfy never fully recovered from his last concussion.. the one against the Rangers.. He always seemed cranky after that…

  • hq8

    still hoping that the sens and spezza find a way to make it work and that BM focuses instead on shoring up the D.

    • CUP 2014-15

      Would not mind them going after Brooks Orpik in the summer.

      • hq8

        yea, but realistically – will the pens even think of giving him up? Niskanen’s also an FA this summer. I think the Pens will always choose to keep Orpik.

        • CUP 2014-15

          then I would be happy with Niskanen, either way if Pitt goes down to the Jackets you can bet there will be lots of heads rolling in Steeltown.

          • hq8

            probably Bylsma and Fleury maybe. still a ridiculously stacked team

          • CUP 2014-15

            The Pens have over 55 M already spent next year on 14 players and have 12 UFA’s this summer, there will be lots of changes.

        • FistsofNeil25

          I would think that Pittsburgh would prefer to keep Niskanen over Orpik. Niskanen is just hitting his prime and is a better all-round player. Orpik’s best years are behind and he’s got Chris Phillips speed.

          • hq8

            yup and is also now injury prone. however, Orpik still has the gnarl that Phillips has clearly lost. I wouldnt want the Sens to go for Orpik even if available, need someone another person similar to Methot OR basically someone who can do what Jared Cowen was projected to do.

          • FistsofNeil25

            I would like a guy with a bit more offensive ability than Methot. To be honest, if the budget allowed it I would completely revamp the defense if it were up to me. Obviously I’m thinking of dream scenarios but signing Niskanen and acquiring a top pairing d-man to play with Karlsson would be awesome.

            XXXX-Karlsson
            Methot-Niskanen
            Phillips/Wiercioch-Ceci

            Most Pittsburgh fans I know absolutely love Niskanen and say if they had to choose, they would take him over Letang any day of the week.

          • hq8

            yikes you completely left out cowen haha.

          • FistsofNeil25

            and it wasn’t by mistake lol I have a bad taste in my mouth when it comes to Cowen. Didn’t report to training camp, held out for a contract that he did very little to deserve, and then had a horrendous season.

            He wasn’t an NHL caliber player this year. A lot of that was because he was obviously still recovering from his hip injury, but most of it just seemed to be because he doesn’t have anything between his ears.

          • hq8

            i find it hard to believe the injury part because he didnt look that bad in the 1st rd last yr

          • Sandy

            Do you guys really think any decent UFA is coming to Ottawa next season.. after what this team did to Alfie.. and how they threw Spezza under the bus?

          • FistsofNeil25

            Hence why I said dream scenario and IF the budget would allow it. Obviously it’s far from being a realistic scenario lol

          • runningbear1974

            With Michalek and Spezza coming off the books, that leaves a lot of money…

          • Uncle JOe

            Ottawa is known for being a good place for hockey players. What happen to Alfie was in my mind, as much what Alfie did to us as it was what the Sens did to Alfie. Still sucks but I doubt it will have any bearing on anyone. And if it does. we don’t want that pansy anyways.

          • Jonny

            I said Niskanen a few threads back, but Euge would have to open up the wallet to land him. Would be an amazing pick up for sure.

          • Miguel

            Euge and open up wallet do not go together!

    • Sandy

      If they don’t fix the D.. then this team does not make the playoffs again next season…

    • BFR

      I was hoping the same, but after all the crap that Spezz has received recently and in the past, I would walk too. Whatever happens, hope the team gets a reasonable return, and is able to move forward with a competitive team.

  • sprucesens

    just read this in the sun today(edmonton) excellent article. On LAZAR
    http://www.edmontonsun.com/2014/04/21/curtis-lazar-leading-the-way-for-the-edmonton-oil-kings

    • CUP 2014-15

      Thanks for that, with all the crazy shit going on it’s a great read. Player is going to be a star

    • FistsofNeil25

      Can’t wait for his arrival. I wonder if B Murray already has him penciled in on next year’s roster.

  • RUSH RLZ

    Eugene and Bruce and Don can go fuck themselves. Just around the time we might have thought this city and organization were starting to learn class and how to treat our players (Fisher classy move BM!) we spiraled downhill since. We almost couldn’t fuck up more in this town if we tried.

    I am so inundated with this garbage, the first thing that came to mind looking at that stupid front cover today, is that cheap assed Uncle Eugene is trying to make Spezz look like a chimp so fans will be happy when we run his $$$ out of town.

    Jaded Sens fan…

    • Miguel

      as always Rush, you wear your heart on you sleeve and I could not agree with you more!
      When the likes of you and Chirp, get really upset, then we all know that things are very bad right now in Sens land.
      trading Spezza from a weak vantage point, willl never land us what he is really worth.
      And sorry to keep harping on this, but to trade Spezza and keep CP4 when he cannot bring any more, really has me wanting to see more of teams like the Avs, rather that the shit show that will be the Sens next year.

      • hq8

        holding onto CP4 is just another one of those BM decisions that fans just have to accept as having some kind of higher wisdom that noone else can see. similar to fans just having to accept that Zbad was worse than SDC, JGP and Conacher to start this season.

        • Miguel

          I understand, however if they do move Spezza, and Hemsky is gone, and I am forced to watch a slow aging, “pointing” Phillips, I am not sure that I will easliy fork out the $200 plus per game to watch that crap! It really is a scary proposition for next year.

          • Jonny

            And even worse, they will probably make him Captain….

          • FistsofNeil25

            What about the slow but young Jared Cowen? He’s worth the price of admission alone!

          • Miguel

            Yah I agree, I am really afraid that he is some seriously damaged goods, not sure he will ever recover from that hip injury.
            But in his ifinite wisdom maybe he should hold out next year as well… at least we would not have to see him in our lineup

          • Jakester

            I still think Hemsky will sign regardless of 19.

          • runningbear1974

            Is there any way that we trade Phillips? Is he in-between contracts where we can trade him?

          • Miguel

            I am sure we can trade him to the RA league.
            or maybe BM can find soeone to loan him to like we did with Corvo

        • Aaron 2.0

          The decision w/ Zibanejad reeked of financial considerations at the time, and i’m even more convinced of that now.

    • runningbear1974

      It’s not fair to blame the Sens for what the Sun does…
      I’m personally happy with the direction the team is taking…

      Macarthur Ryan Turris
      Puemple Zibanejad Lazar
      Hoffman Smith Stone
      Greening Pageau Condra

      Karlsson xxxxx
      Ceci Methot
      Gryba Wiericioch

      I like this team…

      • FistsofNeil25

        I like how good of a shot it gives us at McDavid.

        • CUP 2014-15

          No chance for Mc David with that line-up. penalty for being below the floor would include our first rounder and this line-up would come in under 40M so can not be done. Still a good comment though, lol

          • FistsofNeil25

            haha thanks for the note.

      • Jonny

        You like a downward spiral?
        And if thats our 2nd line for next year we are truely fucked!
        Well I guess we can always hope for McDavid.

        • runningbear1974

          Not sure about next year… I like this team, and i think they would continue to get better year after year…

      • wild bill

        Greening????? Check his numbers

      • Jakester

        Please Smith on the fourth and Pageau on the third. And Condra andGreening in another city would be good!

        • runningbear1974

          These are the players we currently have that are available… Pageau on the fourth line would get some sweet ice against guys who can’t skate, it’s a great opportunity for him to get good scoring chances…

  • NickofTime

    I’ve never been a Spezza fan but I just don’t get why they would want to get rid of him one yr after giving him the captaincy. I said it was a bad idea back them when most were for it but to publicly announce it by trading the guy really makes the team look bad & it’s a huge embarrassement for the player. And just after they finally get an elite player to play with him thatseems to gel with Spezza makes even less sense since Hemsky has said publicly said he wants to play with a centre like S

    • RUSH RLZ

      Welcome to Crazy World! I still think he will make a great Captain one day to top it off…

    • Sandy

      After the Alfie incident.. then running another captain out of town, makes this organization look really bad.

      That Spezza contract is 7M cap hit.. but a 4M salary. You would think that would be something old Melnyk would like…

    • Sandy

      It’s obvious that the organization is no longer focused on making the playoffs and trying to go deep to possibly a Cup run. Melnyk would have to spend to do that… Now it’s all about development and saving him money…

      • Nikesh Bost

        If Spezza is a declining asset AND does not want to sign a long-term extension, what choice does mgmt have… they need to trade him this summer while there still is value.

        Whether this is all speculation from the organization wanting to save some money or this is Spezza’s wish remains to be seen.

        Lets just hope that we can build upon our core regardless of what happens – Ryan better be a part of this.

        • Uncle JOe

          I agree.

      • Uncle JOe

        LOL right.. you know.. seeing that we have some great young talent coming in and Murray isn’t dumb enough to overspend on free agents that you will only bitch that we are overpaying after a year of the signing..

        Can’t have your cake and eat it too..

      • Jakester

        Cue the violins. I find them very focused, finally making the right moves!

    • Uncle JOe

      Well I thought Spezza was going to do well as captan. But obviously, something behind the scene is happening. Like say, Spezza kept bitching about the coach.. that’s not something management wants from their captain.

      speculations of course…

      So here we are.. the Spezza ordeal is coming to an end. I like Spezza but quite frankly.. after all these years I have been more often disappointed with him then not. Its just time at this point. Time to go our separate ways.

  • hq8

    how is Peumpel coming along? is he projecting to be up with the big guys anytime in the next two seasons?
    74 GP, 30G, 48 pts….

    • Shibal

      He’ll probably get some call ups next season, and become a full time NHL player the following season. One thing is for sure, he comes as advertised – he successfully translated his OHL goal scoring abilities to the AHL level. He actually could have scored more this season, if Hoffman were to be called up to the NHL earlier.

      Very glad they chose Puempel over Noesen to keep for the Bobby Ryan trade.

      • hq8

        good. why do you say Puempel > Noesen?

        • Shibal

          Noesen last junior season was pretty bad relative to the kind of playoffs he had in 2012. In his last junior season, Noesen was supposed to be leading his team in scoring, however Florida prospect: Vincent Trocheck beat Noesen in the scoring race by miles. I really had high expectations for Noesen that season. In Puempel’s last junior season with the Kitchener Rangers he scored 35 goals in 51 games. That may not seem to be much compared to the other players in the OHL at the time, but Puempel was playing for a very low scoring Kitchener Rangers team. I believe his 35 goals were about 23-25% of Kitchener’s total goals scored that season.

  • Sandy

    Totally classless by the Ottawa Sun to do that.. If Spezza did not want to leave before.. he truly does now..
    To the Ottawa Sun… who do you go after when Spezza leaves? Who’s next on your list?
    If Spezza is traded.. this team is retooling again.. but what does it matter. Since we have learned from Melnyk’s last media session.. this team’s mandate is not to win the Cup.. but to develop players and save him money..
    After witnessing the LA-SJ games… or most of them.. LA could come calling. Maybe Minny? But IF he is traded.. go after a 2015 first round pick. Screw the draft this year.. Load up in a good draft.. don’t worry about no first pick in a mediocre draft..
    Off topic.. heard the Lazar interview today. Great kid.. Lots of character. IF he does stay in the NHL.. I think they should develop him on the 3rd line with Zibby. Don’t put this kid in a position to fail… like they did with Cowen… but in a position to succeed…
    It’s all about the younger players now… Let’s hope Ryan still wants to stay after Spezza is traded… He may change his mind…

    • Shibal

      I would not say really classless. Supposedly for them to pull of front pages like that, they need some kind of permission from the sens organization. Not sure, that’s all according to the 6th sens and Yost.

      • Jonny

        No they dont. The Sun doest report to the Sens. You think the Sens would have ok’d the bloody Lars Eller on the front page?

        The Sun does what it wants as we dont have any other to challenge them.

        • Shibal

          The Eller front cover would be a problem if majority of the Ottawa Sun readers were Montreal Canadian fans. Anyways as I said, this is just speculation from Yost and 6th sens.

      • BFR

        Even if that were true, that would make the organization look like a bunch of asshats.

    • Jakester

      Zibby will be centering the second line.

    • Jakester

      What the heck has Spezza done for Ryan. Ryan probably wants him gone so TUrris can get all the offensive zone faceoffs!

    • Zelle

      Ryan doesn’t play with Spezza so I don’t think Spezza leaving would change his mind. That fact that both of Turris’ wings expressed strong opinions on resigning with the club probably speaks volumes about playing with Turris. Hemsky played with Spezza so I would put more worry about him not resigning if Spezz leaves.

  • MethotToMyMadness

    I’m SO Done with the Spezza trade talk. Let’s just put it aside and wait till it actually becomes important news, like when next season starts. All we are doing it making it worse by speculating everything. Nobody knows what is happening and nobody will know anything, until it happens.

    Instead let’s focus on some great NHL Playoff Hockey. Did anyone expect MacKinnon to jump out of the gates the way he did? Colorado has really played some great Hockey so far, do they have it in them to take it further than round 1? I did see them beating Minnesota in 6. But taking on the winner of the Hawks or Blues, now that’s going to be tough.

    • Sandy

      All I know is the playoff pools I’m in are with Bruin, Anaheim & Chicago players.. Looks like Chicago is in deep trouble.. I’m probably pretty good with the other two..
      MacKinnon.. what can you say. That kid is amazing.. They are playing that well.. without Duchene. Imagine when he comes back into the lineup.
      Not sure who they would play in the next round.. but can this young team take a pounding that Anaheim or St Louis would do.. down the road…

      • MethotToMyMadness

        You will do well with a core of Bruins and Ducks, as long as you have two teams full of players to ride to the end.

        Looking at the NHL website, they show a playoff table of what looks like the teams who would face one another and right now, the winner of Col-Minn are slated to play the winner of Stl-Chi. Unless I’m reading that wrong.

        • MethotToMyMadness
          • Sandy

            The next round out West will be really good ones as well.. Looks like it could be Avs vs St Louis and Anaheim vs SJ…
            Wow. The east next round will be …. meh…

          • Jakester

            Kings might be looking to add Spezza after these playoffs!

    • Miguel

      I hear you, but watching some of the great playoff games and performers, makes me even more depressed as Sens fan… there are some outstanding players out there, and we have Greening Neil Phillips Condra Cowen… can you imagine what MacKinnon would do to CP4 or Cowen? Could be very embarrassing!

      • Sandy

        I really don’t think the Sens fan base could stand for this team to finish at the bottom of the standings.. picking in the top 3 for 2 or 3 seasons to get the high quality prospects… like McKinnon, et al..
        You think there are complaints after missing the playoffs for 1 season now .. imagine being doormats of the NHL for several seasons.

        • CUP 2014-15

          We would all understand what its like to be a leaf fan.

      • Jakester

        You nailed the 5 players who should be moving on! With Spezza of course!

    • Uncle JOe

      I have Colorado beating Minnesota in the first round but losing to Chicago in the 2nd. My Chicago pick isn’t looking too good but they did do this last year also. I also have L.A. beating SJ.. not looking good either.. Anaheim over Dallas. And L.A over Anaheim.

      but back to your post.. MacKinnon is really rocking out there eh.. Colorado are looking really really good.

      • peetypuck

        That’s why the Avs passed on Seth Jones.

      • CUP 2014-15

        With Sid and MacKinnon both from the same small town in Cole Harbor N.S. I think there must be something in the water there and I would have a full time scout sitting at the local rink, LOL

        • Uncle JOe

          hahaha no shit eh!

  • Sandy

    The B-Sens play the Wilkes-Barry Penguins in a 5 game first round series…
    Let’s hope they can get the job done…

  • FistsofNeil25

    I don’t know about you guys but I really hope that if Spezza’s traded, it’s for some quality youth. I’ve seen some suggestions of trading him for a package including Dustin Brown or Mike Richards, and while I like both those players, they just aren’t what we need right now.

    I know we’re already a young team, but the return for Spezza should involve players coming back who’s best years are still ahead of them, not behind them. Guys like Brown and Richards are still good players, but their best years have passed and they have a ton of hard miles on them.

    I want to add a piece or two that will be a part of our young core for the next 5, 7, or even 10 years.

    • CUP 2014-15

      Could not agree more…Toffoli and Andreoff out of LA or T. Wilson and Johansson from Wash would be nice.

      • Jakester

        Toffoli and Voynov

        • CUP 2014-15

          Love it but doubt you get both of them for Spezz and they will not want any of our works in progress types, maybe if we add CC or someone like Puemple but I am not so eager to give them up, even for Voynov

          • Jakester

            Add Cowen and get a second rounder and I’d do it!

          • CUP 2014-15

            no work in progress guys, no to Cowen, PW, EG, CG, EC, OR 2ND LEVEL PROSPECTS. They are not a stupid bunch, try Toronto for that type of trade

    • hq8

      how about sending him to PHX for Yandle, 1st and Domi?

      • FistsofNeil25

        Do you honestly think Phoenix would give that much up for him? Yandle probably has as much value as Spezza alone.

        • runningbear1974

          throw in Michalek and Hemsky…

        • hq8

          yea but there were rumors this past season about Yandle on his way out werent there?
          Spezz would make PHX more legitimate in the west.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Yeah there have been Yandle rumors for sure, but it would be closer to Yandle for Spezza straight up. I don’t think they would have to throw in Domi and a 1st as well

      • CUP 2014-15

        your going to have to include CC

      • not YOUR wingman

        How about cloning Bobby Orr and Wayne Gretzky ?

        YEESH – it’s going to cost a lot more than a soon to be UFA with a bad back to get that package.

        Yandle alone would cost Spezza and Lazar

    • John_Q_Spartan

      Mike Richards I’d have to think about. Not 1 for 1. We’d be doing them a favor at this point, taking his contract off their hands.

    • Jakester

      I agree, young guys 2-3 years in the league at most.

    • PraiseAlfie11

      So, you want a firesale? Because if they dump spezza for “up and coming” kids, that is a firesale right there.

      • FistsofNeil25

        A firesale is when you sell something for an extremely discounted price. How am I suggesting that?

        • PraiseAlfie11

          A bonafide 1c for kids that may or may not be full time nhl players is equal return?

          • FistsofNeil25

            I have no idea why you think I said that. I don’t think it’s wrong to prefer trading for promising young players over guys whose best years are behind them.

            Back to my example of trading Spezza to LA. Wouldn’t you rather acquire a guy like Toffoli who has his entire career ahead of him over a guy like Dustin Brown or Mike Richards whose careers are probably at least half over?

  • nb613

    This would be a decent lineup going forward… All within budget too

    FORWARDS
    Clarke MacArthur ($3.250m) / Kyle Turris ($3.500m) / Bobby Ryan ($5.100m)
    J Spezza Trade ($4.000m) / Mika Zibanejad ($0.894m) / Mark Stone ($0.603m)
    Mike Hoffman ($1.200m) / Curtis Lazar ($0.894m) / Chris Stewart ($4.150m)
    Jean-Gabriel Pageau ($0.613m) / Zack Smith ($1.888m) / Chris Neil ($1.900m)
    Erik Condra ($1.250m)
    DEFENSEMEN
    Jared Cowen ($3.100m) / Erik Karlsson ($6.500m)
    Marc Methot ($3.000m) / Christian Ehrhoff ($4.000m)
    Chris Phillips ($2.500m) / Cody Ceci ($0.894m)
    Mark Borowiecki ($0.575m) /

    Trades: Spezza to somewhere for younger 2nd line LW, 1st round pick
    Greening, Prince, Wiercioch to Buffalo for Stewart, Ehrnhoff
    Gryba is replaced by Boro; Michalek and Hemsky walk…
    Extend Ryan

    • nb613

      Needs: talented, young 2nd line LW; 3rd line two-way grinder w/ upside; mobile right-handed top3-4 defenceman

    • FistsofNeil25

      Putting a lot of faith in Cowen eh?

      • nb613

        I’d say him and Methot switch back and forth. If he doesn’t bounce back in a big way next year Cowen should be gone.

        • FistsofNeil25

          I don’t think either of them are worthy of top pairing minutes and skating alongside Karlsson. At least Methot is a good second pairing guy. Cowen is arguably not even an NHL caliber player right now. The season he just has is one of the worst performances I’ve seen a Senators player have in a long long time.

    • Uncle JOe

      I dont think you would get Stewart and Ehrnhoff for Greening, Prince and Wiercioch. I also believe we would be taking in salary in return in a Spezza trade.

    • wild bill

      Wiercioch ranks a lot higher that Phillips

  • Murray_is_a_GENIUS

    Hey Big Chirp let me ask you a question. Is there ANY pressure on Bryan Murray at all from the grand poobah? I mean we’ve lost our face of the franchise in Alfredsson AND our current captain in consecutive years and the team is not making marked progress in the standings. At some point does management not need to take some on the chin, whether from the media or fans not renewring tickets or even from Eugene Melnyk himself asking: “What the heck is going on here?”

    • SensChirp

      Normally yes but in this case Melnyk understands that any issues with Murray’s performance are entirely based on the internal budget put in place by the Owner.

      So no, zero pressure on Murray for the team’s recent issues.

      • bluebuyyoo

        Yeah. All of the shit is being heaped on Spezza. Complete bullshit little league operation.

    • wild bill

      Eugene melnyk runs everything. Murray can’t run the team. Didn’t Mclean switch his forward asst coach. and defensive coaches around during the season? Eugene hand picked them. Mclean must know this whole thing is a farce.

      • Sandy

        McLean changed the coaching duties putting Reeds in charge of the forwards as it was a lesser work load on him. If you have not noticed. it appears Reeds is in a ‘life battle’ and I wish him all the success.

        • wild bill

          It looked like Mclean was getting back at Eugene. Sorry to hear about Reeds.

          • Sandy

            McLean did say that he would be missing from the team at times. You can tell by just looking at him as to how sick he really is…

      • Jeff

        Did that because of health reasons to another assistant coach

  • sprucesens

    Just had a thought, what if the sole reason we signed phillips was to be C next year, and the year after, because we knew we were trading spezza, and wanted to keep him as a vet, regardless of his declining play? Seems like a very coincidental way for phillips to get the C, then retire. Probably not the best business decision, but maybe a wise decision from a vet presence, and rewarding loyalty?

    • Deadly

      When the season ends early, every theory is in play.

    • Sandy

      If I was a player voted as captain…. I would keep a close eye on my back.. in way be wary of the media as well as the team management…

      • CUP 2014-15

        Do you really believe this is about him being made Captian or is it more likely to do with his on ice performance and there being one year left on the contract of a player with injury history. That being said, I wish there was a way to keep Spezz but I think that boat has left.

  • Cactus Face Elmer

    Just saw the Ottawa SUn front page.

    WOW !

    I’ve never been a big Spezza fan but he sure didn’t deserve this.

    • Uncle JOe

      Yeah.. that’s just distasteful..

    • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

      Although I’m sure it has some level of organizational approval, it is an embarrassment to the team, the player, the city, the paper, the fans.

      Should be an old fashioned lynching

      • bluebuyyoo

        It is an old fashioned lynching. The noose is firmly around Spezza’s neck.

        • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

          Sadly valid point

        • Daybreak Maidenhead

          THE OX-BOW INCIDENT in real life – never thought I’d see that

        • Jakester

          Sniff sniff

          • bluebuyyoo

            It’s about time Jacques. Where would SensChirp be without the peanut gallery.

          • Jakester

            Boohoohoobuyyou, can’t wait for the trade so we can stop hearing you whine all summer! Team will be better, let Murray and MaCLean do their jobs they know a good hockey player and unfortunately your hero isn’t one of those anymore!

          • bluebuyyoo

            Your uninformed interloping becomes more legendary with each post. Try reading the thread before hammering the keyboard like a drunken monkey.

          • freebird

            FREEBIRD

      • Sandy

        IF the team had any knowledge about this front page before it was printed.., I’m pretty much very disgusted and disappointed with them…

  • CUP 2014-15

    Pumped for the CBJ Game, GO JACKETS..

    • Sandy

      I can’t stand Bob Cole.. I’d sooner watch the blazin’ Avs…

      • CUP 2014-15

        I can turn the volume down, lol. love this jackets team and the way they play

  • CUP 2014-15

    WOOOOOOO 1-0 Jackets

  • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

    I am honestly flabergasted at how many people(not only here but on fb, at work, out and about) that are calling for Spezzas head and then in the next breath saying our captain should be Philips… A defender that wouldn’t make any of the playoff teams and won’t be on ours when we are competitive again.

    • runningbear1974

      I would think the captain should be someone you trust on the ice…

    • Jakester

      Captain should be TUrris, phillips would be a nightmare.

      • Sandy

        The issue is.. they can’t overlook Phillips for the captaincy…. How bad would that look?

        • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

          Who cares at this point.. We ran out the face of the franchise, about to be our captain.. No point putting a fringe third pairing defender as our captain for two (what will be horrible from Philips) years

          • Sandy

            I guess. I mean how much damage have they ‘done to the brand’ after the Alfie fiasco.. then ditching your current captain. Both over what is probably $$$

        • Jakester

          He’ll be 7th d-man probably

    • Cicero

      Based on history, I think they’ll make CP the Captain.

      Then trade him.

  • Deadly

    Just thinking, Anderson to Pittsburg for…

    • Sandy

      Any of the good young defensive prospects.. But I think Vancouver needs Anderson more than Pittsburgh does…

      • Deadly

        Maybe so,but losing in the playoffs due to consistent playoff poor goaltending really ramps up the need to make a move.This has been for a problem for a few years.

    • Zelle

      I wouldn’t mind Vokoun as a backup! Although is he hurt/sick?

  • CUP 2014-15

    2-0 Jackets, playing hard nose old school hockey, nothing fancy

    • jtf927

      this way the jackets are playing reminds me of the way the sens used to be both last year and the year before. #peskysens.

      • CUP 2014-15

        LOL, YA just bigger and they roll 4 lines hard and nothing fancy in the D zone, quick pass and out or off the glass

        • jtf927

          they do. they roll out 4 lines. but all 4 lines are scoring threats. defense is hard hitting and tight, and bob is a good tender.

  • jtf927

    http://www.cbc.ca/ottawa/features/ottawasenators/

    this article states that there will not be any changes to the defence this off-season, but rather only to the froward corp. i hope this is not true. we really need 1-2 top pairing dmen.

    • aegiszx

      BM is a real proud and stubborn guy, from his interviews the past year, I really think he’s committed to Cowen, Ceci, and Gryba. He really wants to see those 3 guys succeed above all else… I really hope for his sake that his trust pays off and all 3 of them have stellar seasons…

      • jtf927

        can’t just stay with the same dcorp. we will have a repeat of this past season.

        • Sandy

          Exactly…

      • CUP 2014-15

        He likes big players that engage and you have to admit that most GM’s would not care as much about a 3rd rounder that was picked by the previous GM.

        • aegiszx

          That’s true, but you gotta admit both Ceci and Cowen (top 20 draft picks) have a lot of potential. How many teams can say 4/6 of their Dmen are first round talents? Not that it matters, as it ultimately comes down to the individual, but that’s a lot of skill there, so you can see why BM is reluctant to throw in the towel on Cowen.

          • CUP 2014-15

            No question, I would not throw in the towel on Cowen yet. If he gets his game back he will be a tough S.O.B to play against, the surprise to me is his loyalty to someone else’s pick and that’s unusual in sports. It’s no secret on here that I like Gryba and what he brings. I thought his game really got going after he started to play more. He looked good with MM, PW and JC had his best run just before he got hurt. I still see this team wanting 3 lefties and 3 righties MM with Karl, Cowen with CC and either Boro or PW with Gryba. I still think CP is the insurance policy like Corvo was and he got extra cash and a year due to the obvious

  • luckan20

    We have 6 guys with NHL contract in the blue line (Phillips, Karlsson, Methot, Cowen, Wiercioch, and Borowiecki) plus Gryba as RFA and Ceci as a full fledged NHL guy. Also, two other guys knocking the door Claesson and Wideman. We need to move bodies if not our over crowded and underachieving blue line will cost us again.

    • FistsofNeil25

      All quantity, very little quality.

  • bluebuyyoo

    Another weak call on CBJ.

    • CUP 2014-15

      horrible call but the first two were straight forward, too many men and delay of game.

  • Sandy

    Watching intently the Minny/Avs game. Cooke is being played opposite Landeskog and McKinnon. I hope those young guys keep their head up…

  • Sandy

    All-Star is back in the game for Minny. TSN is interviewing him right now..

  • Deadly

    On the WHL network Lazar has won player of the week award.There is a video of his two goal effort from yesterday.

  • Cicero

    Matt Cooke needs to be ‘retired’.

    • Deadly

      Knee on Knee…brutal

      • Sandy

        Deliberate. Sure this guy is a changed player. His intent is to injure. I hope someone takes out that SOB.

  • Sandy

    Matt Cooke just took out Tyson Barrie.. with a “deliberate” knee.
    As Barrie said to the trainer came up to him while they were passing Ray Ferraro — Ferraro said Barrie told the trainer I’m done.
    Cooke got a 2 min penalty.. Bastard..

    • Cicero

      Ugly as hell.

      • BeJamin

        Makes you wonder why they can’t just kick this piece of shit out of hockey for life. Like really… Why is his worthless career worth more than the tens of players he’s given injuries to.

        • Sandy

          All I can say is… right by Bordeleau.. Go get Cooke

          • bluebuyyoo

            Good luck. Cooke has not fought since 2010-2011. He fights very infrequently and when he does, it is usually against a weaker opponent. Regardless, he usually loses.

            http://www.hockeyfights.com/players/131

    • Michenator

      get that dick out of this league… cripes.

    • bluebuyyoo

      The problem is that he is tolerated by the NHL and protected by the NHLPA. The NHLPA is the biggest joke. Any other union in the world would sanction a problematic member to protect the majority. Not the NHLPA.

    • Zelle

      Shameful he is still allowed to play in the NHL. Even worse is that fans defend him.I’d want him on the Senators just to insure that he doesn’t injure any of our players. Again.

  • Sandy

    Another Avs D taken out… Andre Benoit. Minny fans booing him as he skates off injured. Almost out cold.
    I guess the only way Minny can win is to hurt the Avs

    • Cicero

      It’s war out there!

  • CUP 2014-15

    Shot clock can be so misleading. Pitt up 21-13 on CBJ but they have a hard time getting out of their own zone when not on the PP

  • CUP 2014-15

    Just another BS call v CBJ, This might be the worst year of officiating I have seen

  • FistsofNeil25

    One of these days I hope karma finds Cooke. I would love to see someone take him out for good.

    • Sandy

      Well they have taken out Bordeleau.. slashed on the hand,

    • Deadly

      Where’s Tonya Harding when you need her?

  • Sandy

    http://d3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net/photos/large/849456027.gif

    Here’s the knee on knee by Cooke? Deliberate…

    • Cicero

      A skate to the crotch would make him changed.

    • Pugnacious Serf

      Finally the proof Eugene’s been looking for.

    • Doc

      The Rat strikes again.

    • peetypuck

      That looks like Cooke veered to get a direct hit on the knee. I hope the league throws the book at him for purposely injuring Barrie.

  • SensChirp

    Anyone catch Aaron Ward calling Heatley an All Star under his breath during the last intermission? Very subtle Wardo

    • CUP 2014-15

      always liked Ward

    • Deadly

      Heatley 6 minutes in 2 periods.

  • Kumar

    Bad goal to allow at the crucial point of the game. Penguins were pushing to get 1 and they did. Very poor defensive zone play by the Jackets. They are hoping Bobrovsky will stop them all.

    • CUP 2014-15

      Bob has been solid but Pitt only outshooting CBJ 16-13 at even strength, they have played great D outside of giving up 10 PP shots

  • Cicero

    Alternative trailer for GODZILLA: http://imgur.com/gallery/wY6Vc

  • CUP 2014-15

    Big goal 3-1 CBJ

  • Sandy

    The TSN panel in the intermission said that the Cooke hit should have been 5 min and a game. The linesman would have seen the entire thing. There should be something that allows the linesman to speak up when hits like this happens. Barrie is not coming back tonight..

  • Sandy

    F’in Pittsburgh.. Another team with a horseshoe up it’s ass …. just like the Habs..

    • bluebuyyoo

      Definitely puck luck for Pitt tonight. It’s got eyes right now.

    • Jonny

      Noting to do with luck, Pens have a great team, they know how to win (3 solid lines and a great 4th, 6 legit D’s), down 3-1, no problem. Just like in the Islanders series. Columbus is playing better than they should and Pens are not playing as good as they should. When all is said and done PIT advances.

  • CUP 2014-15

    3-3 PITT Coming on. Scary part is Sid, Gino, Neal and Kunits yet to score in the series

  • aegiszx

    These Pens….. Wtf…. and they havent even scored on the PP yet?

  • Jakester

    Lazar Named WHL Player of the Week

    Apr 21, 2014 – 21:56 GMT
    Calgary, Alta — The Western Hockey League announced today that Edmonton Oil Kings forward Curtis Lazar is the Denny’s WHL Player of the Week for the week ending April 20, 2014.

    Lazar scored three goals and added one assist for four points along with a +4 rating over two games this past weekend, leading the Oil Kings to a pair of victories over the Medicine Hat Tigers in the 2014 WHL Eastern Conference final.

  • Sandy

    Appears Benoit is back in the game. He looked really dazed and almost out cold.. Should he be playing..

  • Zelle

    Is anyone really surprised by the sensationalized cover from the Sun? These are the same people that released a cover with “Sens draw first blood.” accompanying a picture of Eller full out bleeding on the ice from the Gryba hit.

  • Sensturion

    Montreal will end up playing the winner of Boston/Detroit… GOOOOOO BOSTON!!!

    • Zelle

      Hopefully Boston. Montreal hates losing to Boston and it will be spectacular. Sucks it looks like they will be sweeping Tampa though.

      • Jonny

        I think DET takes it in 7. The Bruins seem to rely too much on Rask and after seeing that Lucic spear, I have lost alot of respect for him, I loved the guy for being a force but doing what he did…no excuses, should have been suspended 3 games, what do you think a 5k fine will do to Lucic….lol.

        • Zelle

          I never had respect for Lucic so there was nothing there to lose for me lol After reading the story about throwing shit at his girlfriend in the streets and them both getting arrested for causing a disturbance, plus his hit to the head of Miller, concussing him, I’m not a fan. I realize his importance to the Bruins though, unfortunately you can’t deny he is an effective hockey player.

          And yeah it’ll do nothing. Did you hear his interview about it? Paraphrasing: “I’ve only done that two or three times.” Admits he’s speared guys in the balls before and smirks about it. Complete ass. Still think Boston takes it though, especially if they win tonight.

          • The Apostle

            Whatever you want to say about Lucic you should accept that his hit on Miller, and Miller’s subsequent reaction, was hilarious.

          • Zelle

            I don’t mind when they get body checked but Lucic put his gloves to his face and pushed out into Miller’s head, didn’t like that. I did find it enjoyable when Miller called him a POS though.

  • Moudy Mahfouz

    What a goal to end the game. Gralund

  • Deadly

    Quick question for Doc .Is it possible to overdose on hockey?

    • SensChirp

      Worried about this as well. I actually watch way more playoff hockey when Ottawa isn’t involved. Like…every single game.

      • Deadly

        After the Minny game ended..directly to the Dallas game.
        Would of preferred watching all the Hawks game but had to finish the Pens first.
        Agree,normally the Sens would take care of one night.

        • Zelle

          I’m so nervous during Sens playoff games I usually need to sleep after they’re done I’m spent.

      • BeJamin

        No stress means you just get to enjoy it. Unlike the anxiety that comes with wanting your team to win so badly. The hockey is the best played all year – great to watch.

      • Jonny

        Same here, those Western games are f’ing amazing! Blues and Hawks have to be what rivalries is all about! Intense hate, why, cuz its the playoffs!

    • Doc

      If that was true I’d be dead by now.

      Many years of HA meetings.

      “Hi. My name is Doc, and I’m a Hockey Addict” “Hi Doc, tell us your story.”

      But seriously, you gotta love the first round of playoffs. It’s some god damn good hockey. Too many games, so little time.

  • Jakester

    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aqqRpSXb8kk

    See the Pageau hat trick and admire the big hit by Claessen!

    • Deadly

      How about the set ups by Stone? He teed the puck up for Pageau.

      • Jakester

        Very true! The second and third goals he had tap ins! Stone amazing hands!

    • sprucesens

      love the OLE chant when pageau gets a hatty!

  • Jakester

    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=p6r5z187mls

    Last game of the year. Puempel’s 30th, plus a Dzingel goal that shows lots of promise.

  • Zelle

    Spezza rally?

    • Deadly

      You want to hold a Spezza rally on the hill. Yesterday was pot and now you want one for the captain?

      • Zelle

        Chirp’s tweet talking about “another” Spezza rally. Was wondering what that was about? Sadly I work tomorrow :(

        • SensChirp
          • Zelle

            Thanks. Shows you how often I read The Sun. I’m all about showing the players love and refuse to boo them (although I will boo the other team). Not a Spezza fan, I’m not sure he’s a right fit for this team, but not liking all the hate.

          • sprucesens

            i’m glad the people of ottawa are getting together to show spezza some love. while the media and its outlets always focus on the negative, if nothing else, this let’s spezza know that at least some people were passionate about the positives in his game. I’m not saying the rally is going to change anything about him wanting out, or change how management views his role with the team, but at least its a classy show from the fans. Kudos

          • Yukon Cornelius

            Has there been any thought to have a rally against the internal budget? There needs to be someway for the fans to show their unhappiness with Melnyk but not going to games/buying jerseys seems to only give him more reason to keep the team on a budget.

            Would the RSU organize something like this? Plus I’m sure some other sens bloggers would join the cause, get it on radio/tv and I’m sure there a lot of other disappointed fans who don’t want to see this team stuck in mediocrity because of a cheap owner.

        • Deadly

          Sounds good ,after all , he is basically a good person.

  • Dirk-Diggler

    if we lose Spezza our team offence will suffer but our team defence will improve. It will be a net positive if the loss in goals for is more than made up for in the decrease in goals against.

    If this trade is going down let’s look for a silver lining.

    • Zelle

      We’ll have to wait and see what comes back before talks of silver linings.

    • Brutus5247

      -25 isn’t net.

  • SensFanInMTL

    Why does the Ottawa Sun continuously shit on their players? They are a
    bunch of fuckin (unfortunate homophobic slur to be used sadly so I do
    apologize) who obviously don’t mind what they write about their star
    players. Even if it was Heatley’s fault, which obviously it was, we can
    all hold the Sun responsible for having our 2007 top line pretty much
    shipped out of town (assuming Spezza is indeed done with the Senators).
    They aren’t even classless or the lowest form of scum of the earth
    because even at that, holds more credibility than the Ottawa Sun. Then
    they wonder why nobody wants to stay and get shipped out of town on a
    sour note. I fuckin hate these assholes. I wouldn’t mind having them
    come out and have us tussle it out with them. Spezza fan or not, this
    type of shit by the media needs to stop. They would rather make a quick
    buck than salvage anything that may be left of Spezza or anyone else for
    that matter. What happens if Turris or Zibanejad or Ryan go through
    sporadic decline? We’re gonna write the same garbage and give them a
    reason to fuckin jet out of town too? Fuck these fuckin asshats.

    And
    if we’re going to be dealing with anyone, it’s going to be L.A.
    Assuming Colorado will never relinquish one of Duchene, MacKinnon or
    Landeskog, and probably rightfully so, we have utterly no interest in
    anyone else. O’Reilly and picks are insufficient and Stastny is plein
    d’marde. L.A.’s collapse is going to have them revamp their team and
    they’d be thrilled to have Spezza & Kopitar, Kopitar & Spezza or
    whatever combos you want as your 1-2 centremen. Carter is coming up
    with a gold medal under his belt and I’m not exactly sure they’re
    willing to part ways with him. By default, that leaves us with Mike
    Richards. Another 200 foot type of player, he and Lazar would make a
    killer pair for years to come, regardless of Richards’ recent decline in
    production. If we somehow fleece L.A., we’d be lucky to add Toffoli and
    the 1st rounder. If need be, we throw in Da Costa, just because it
    gives him another chance to become a full time NHL’er. That is all. Fuck
    Melnyk, fuck the Ottawa Sun and fuck this. A dieu.

    • whammer44

      You really think professional hockey players are that influenced by the Ottawa Sun? No offense but imo thats ridiculous. You go to any Canadian city or US city for that matter that cares about hockey and there are articles criticizing players and in some cities like Van, Tor and Mon its way worse. Even the mayor of Montreal was telling the team to send Deharnais to the minors earlier this year.To say that Brennan and Garrioch have that kind of power is absurd. Plus if you’re that sensitive as a player don’t read the paper.

      As much as I would be fine with Richards to say O’Reilly and picks isn’t sufficient is wrong. O’Reilly is a better, younger version of Richards. The Sens will be lucky if they get that kind of return for Spezza.

      • PraiseAlfie11

        They would be if they know BM is feeding them stories.

        Why make 29 calls to announce spezza is available if you only have to make 1 to garricroth?

        • Doc

          Melnyk, not BM.

          • PraiseAlfie11

            You figure? Would make sense I suppose

    • FistsofNeil25

      how do you consider O’Reilly insufficient but Richards a good deal? O’Reilly is better Richards. He’s pretty much what Richards was when he was actually an effective hockey player.

  • sprucesens

    anyone have a link to the actual sun front page? i live in edmonton and can’t find what the ottawa one looks like that has everyone so up in arms today

    • Garrioch’s reliable source

      first link in the SC article

      • s3nsfan

        Just saw the cover, man this is a cheap low blow. Ottawa sun at it’s finest.

  • FAB

    “There is a difference between realizing it’s time to move a
    player……and completely destroying that player prior to moving
    him….which seems to be what is happening here.
    At this point, the financials are what they are…..Melnyk is a cheap
    (frank)er, not gonna change. but the way he, and by extension his front
    office (which i’m sure just do what he tells them), have handled this,
    and many other things in the media, has been a
    goddamn farce”

    • SensChirp

      Quit it, would ya. Or at least tell us where the quotes are coming from. They sound like Yost.

      • boom

        I suspect he’s quoting the same person he plays with….

  • ProfessorPower

    I think we Richards will be BM target, although he is struggling a change of scenery can pan out. As well this means his value is low, we can possibly get more out of the deal.

    Spezza for Richards (15% retained) + D.King (24 year old 6’3 235)

    Prince + Wiercioch for Chris Stewart
    -> backup plan would be to sign Penner Pancakes

    Sign local boy Dan Boyle or trade x pieces for a solid dman to play RHD behind karlsson (Greening, Condra, Hoffman, Prince, Wiercioch, and Gryba)

    roll these lines and have a much ‘harder’ team to play against. We will not have a first line center but instead three 2-way centers and one of the best 3rd line centers in the league.

    Stewart-Richards-Ryan
    Macarthur-Turris-Stone
    D.King-Zibanejad-Lazar
    Hoffman-Smith-Neil

    Methot-Karlsson
    Cowen-Boyle
    Philips-Ceci

    • whammer44

      I could live with a King-Richards return…no interest in Penner but I’m guessing there will likely be a deal for Stewart.

      On D I would rather spend FA money on Niskanen than Boyle and if Cowen and Phillips are both still in the top 6 rotation it will be deja vu all over again this season.

    • Pasky

      Might be the target but not sure if LA is willing to risk pissing off Carter, if he would be annoyed by losing his buddy.

    • SensChirp

      This sounds like a Murray kind of deal.

      • MethotToMyMadness

        I agree, I like the idea of Richards. If we are losing a vet like Spezza, you need to make sure you replace him with someone of equal or better vet value. You won’t get Spezza points no matter how you slice it, but you can get the experience and leadership in return. I’d be all for Richards!

        • Jonny

          I would love to have a guy like Richards, problem is I doubt Richards would want to come here, I mean from L.A to here? Thats a drastic drop off in quality, plus he likes to party, where is he gonna go, Pier 21, The Cabin, lol…

          Richards would not want to be here, and would leave as soon as he could, probably ask a trade out in a year a la Carter and Columbus.

          • MethotToMyMadness

            Richards is a good old Canadian Boy, grew up in Kenora, can’t be worse then Ottawa when it comes to night lift. I mean, we do have the Crazy Horse!! And Richards is hitting 30 soon, he’ll have to slow down at some point and focus on his career. Isn’t that what we all had to do at one point? lol

      • BeJamin

        Agreed. I have had a want for Dwight king for a while. And I wouldn’t mind Richards. Although Alec Martinez is another option on D that is quite attractive

    • Pasky

      So did a quick calculation on CapGeek… Trading for Richards, King & Stewart would leave a payroll of roughly 56M without upgrading the back end. This got me thinking that maybe the deal for Stewart broke off because Murray is looking at Buffalo to retain 50% of his salary. Stewart at 4M is bad news but Stewart at 2M is actually worth it, not to mention it’ll give us more room in the budget.

      • SensChirp

        Is there a rule that a team can only retain so much salary? Because I’m pretty sure that came up as a reason the Ottawa/Buffalo deal didn’t happen. Because the Sabres could not retain any more salary.

        • Pasky

          As per CapGeek:

          Teams can retain a percentage of a contract’s remaining cap hit, salary and bonuses in trades. The following stipulations apply:

          No more than 50 per cent of the salary/cap hit can be retained

          Salary/cap hit cannot be retained on more than three contracts in one season

          The aggregate cap hits retained cannot exceed 15 per cent of the upper limit

          A contract can be traded only twice where salary/cap hit is retained

          So basically Buffalo had already retained salary from Pominville, Miller & Vanek but they are all cleared this year so I think the Stewart deal will get done now with retained salary hopefully.

    • Sandy

      Would Spezza be a Sutter type of player… unless the coach is gone as well..

  • Pasky

    I might be in the minority here, but I think Cowen is poised for a bounce back this year. It’ll be the first time in 3 years that he actually participates in training camp, and considering he played last year heavily on his surgically repaired hip that cost him the season because the other side of his hip was injured, I’m willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. And I do like his comment about wanting a bigger leadership role. Shows good character and might push him to up his game this year.

    A man can dream…

    • Yukon Cornelius

      Last offseason he was working out to rehab his hip.
      This offseason he’ll be working out to improve his play.

      O! Might Hockey Gods, please let this be correct.

      • Zelle

        Same with Karlsson except replace hip with heel. Hopefully they both improve next season. I have more trust in Karlsson than I do Cowen right now though.

    • Ruth_Crisp

      A previous CHL cup winner and Calder cup winner.

    • sprucesens

      yeah, but basically any kind of performance should be better than last season for him. if not, bail out! hard not to improve on this year….

  • MethotToMyMadness

    I’m excited for the upcoming Bingo Playoffs, Kicking off against Wilkes-Barre/Scranton, an all too familiar foe. Bingo had such a great bounce back year, finishing top of the East Division with 96 points and lead the entire AHL with 276 Goals For. The GA will need to improve, but this year, with all the goals they scored it wasn’t an issue.

    Looking forward to updates from anyone who is attending the Playoffs. Also, who did Ottawa send back to play? I didn’t see much info on that.

    • MethotToMyMadness

      I just did some searching and answered my own question on who went back, Bingo is going to be stacked!!!

      2014-04-15Chris Driedger (G)ADD Signed to ATO2014-04-15
      Vincent Dunn (F)ADD Signed to ATO2014-04-14
      Cody Ceci (D)ADD Returned on loan from Ottawa (NHL)2014-04-14
      Jean-Gabriel Pageau (C)ADD Returned on loan from Ottawa (NHL)2014-04-14
      Ludwig Karlsson (F)ADD Reassigned by Ottawa (NHL) from Elmira (ECHL)2014-04-14
      Mark Stone (RW)ADD Returned on loan from Ottawa (NHL)2014-04-06
      Ben Blood (D)ADD Reassigned by Ottawa (NHL) from Elmira (ECHL)

  • Zelle

    Damn Barrie out 4-6 weeks with his knee injury. Can’t wait to hear the length of the suspension for Cooke.

    • sprucesens

      my guess is 1 game, cuz the nhl more often than not is a joke.

      • Zelle

        Hoping this new guy has a backbone. Suspended Seabrook for his hit. Only for three games but I don`t think he has a history.

      • Zelle

        haha poster on TSN:
        “As a pens fan. I’ve seen the best and the worst of Matt Cooke. I will
        defend to the death his play after 2011. He was a guy who really did
        change his game and became a good hockey player all around. But this is
        shades of the old Matt Cooke. I was pretty deliberate which makes this a
        bad hit. He will definitely serve a decent suspension but not to the
        magnitude that many other have stated here.”

        Translation: He was clean as a Penguin but now that he plays from another team he’s back to his old ways.

  • Brutus5247

    I’m not a Fan of Spezza’s game but FFS what is Garioch(The SUN) doing with that coverpage. Nothing like publicly shitting on the guy. SHOW some class, this isn’t an eighth grade language arts assignment. This is almost public humiliation. COME ON GROW THE FK UP!
    It’s almost the doughboy wants him gone.

    • 111010101110101010101010101010

      Boo Boo only does what Eugene Pinchpenny tells him to.

    • sprucesens

      yeah i just saw the cover. wow. i think the media(not the sun) needs to ask how the organization feels about that kind of crap. Then have the sens basically just remove any sources that talk to the sun. That’s just horrible. I certainly wouldn’t want to play for the sens any longer with that crap.

    • A-Train

      Couple things.

      - newspaper writers do not write the headlines or design the cover pages for their own stories. that work is done by editors and layout people. not sure this changes anyone’s point of view on the media, but it’s something to keep in mind.

      - if you think that Sun cover was bad have a look at what the New York Post publishes about its athletes, the covers in particular. remember it’s all entertainment in the end.

    • thepez

      I hate to defend Garrioch, however he has no say on the cover. What he wrote makes sense. If Spezza is looking for a 7 year deal, and why would he not, then it’s best that he be traded or at least explore the possibility. The guy will be 32 and there is no doubt in my mind that if he becomes the second line centre for a team like the Ducks, Hawks, Blues, etc…then he will for the short period anyway be an 80-90 point guy. And then everyone on here who wants him gone will shit on the Sens for letting him go.

  • A-Train

    Haven’t been around much over the weekend, so apologize if this has been covered.

    You can never rule out the New York Rangers when a flashy player a la Spezza is available. They’re for sure the type of team to give up a pick and a top prospect. But I don’t look at their roster and see anyone who makes sense as a key trade piece. Murray’s liked Brassard in the past, but he’s not what we need right now.

    • Yukon Cornelius

      I picture Glen Sather’s ears perking up every time he hears a player with a contract over 6.5M is available. If they get booted by Philly then this will totally become a little more interesting//a lot of the teams who are ousted in the playoffs will become suspects to make a play of Spez

  • Deadly

    Saw that Jim O’Brien has been sent home and won’t be available for the playoffs.End of the road for him with Ottawa.

    • A-Train

      One day there will be a great Behind the Music episode here…

      • SensChirp

        Ya know, I’ve asked about this one a lot and I really don’t think there is anything to it really.

        He was a leftover from the previous regime and was never really in management’s plan. I’ve also heard that taking instruction wasn’t really his specialty and with so many other prospects buying in and pushing for spots, they just couldn’t justify keeping him around.

        • A-Train

          Most boring episode ever! (but yeah, the truth normally is)

    • The Apostle

      Miguel’s probably on his way to the airport ready to hug it out.

      • Miguel

        and if ever you are in need Apostle… I can be there for you too my friend… need a hug?
        First rounder, leading the team in goals…. be off with his head! Send him down never to be seen again.
        Greening… lead the team in … ahhh nothing, 4 goals in 80 games…. 3 mill a year for 4 years!
        Someone please explain…. PLEASE!!!

  • A-Train

    When Spezza submitted that 2012 list, there’s a good chance Florida was on it. But I wonder if he might see things a little differently now. Could see him and Luongo getting along — both similar age with young families. And the team seems to be well-managed and on the upswing. Getting their 1st overall is most-likely a pipe dream, but they have some other pieces.

  • Corey Trevor

    Which was the worse SUN cover, ‘First Blood Sens’ when Eller was hit by Gryba or the ‘For Sale’ Spezza cover? What a rag that Sun is…

    Edit – I go with the Eller one

    • Pasky

      ‘First Blood Sens’ hands down. Disrespectful beyond belief to all parties, the Spezza one is disrespectful to him, his family and his fans but not 30 teams.

      • sprucesens

        and humanity in general.

    • A-Train

      First Blood was worse by far.

    • Zelle

      First blood. I was embarrassed to be a Sens fan when they released that.

  • John Q. Spartan

    Sens were 5 points more missing the playoffs. Five points behind the great and powerful Red Wings. Five measly shootout losses away.

    People that cheer and follow this team need to get a grip on reality. They are becoming the very thing we used to hate about other cities. It’s tiring.

    • sprucesens

      that is a very good point, and something i’ve said a few times. Even though it was one of the worst seasons i’ve seen as a sen fan, we still only missed by 5 points. And just in games we got screwed by the ref’s was at least 6 points. Then a couple less SO losses like you said, and its a completely different season. The problem was, most of our losses were very ugly, and i think thats why fans are as upset as they are. Next year can easily be a completely different outcome, even without trades.

      • esk

        exactly one of the reasons i dont want spezza traded..missed the entire season last year…had no linemates…first year as captain…a bunch of players underperformed including milan,his linemate and he still managed to get a bunch of points

      • Deadly

        Don’t forget the Wings miracle win when the puck hit the back screen and ended up in the net. Brutal reffing that night.

    • SensChirp

      What does this part mean?

      “People that cheer and follow this team need to get a grip on reality.
      They are becoming the very thing we used to hate about other cities.
      It’s tiring.”

    • Sandy

      Needed 3 more wins…
      Win the 2 in Alberta.. And that meltdown in Mtl along with crappy officiating on the Turris penalty when Markov did not go for diving.. and the non-tripping call when Greening was taken down skating the puck out with 15 sec left.. resulted in the tying goal.

      • BeJamin

        They also shit the bed against the Islanders and against Detroit in the first game back from the break (which would have meant 2 more wins, instead of 3? potentially). Realistically, you can’t really boil a season down to a few games like that. Lottery teams could say well just 8-9 more games! And we had it! The real thing that cost this team was a defense that was too green. Plain and simple. We win more games more consistently if the back end was a stronger group. That’s how I feel about it anyway.

        • Zelle

          Penalties were a major part of it too. Can’t play 60mins when some of your top guys (Karlsson, Turris, MacArthur) are killing 5+ penalties per game.

  • esk

    Spezza is going through the exact same stuff Alfie went through a few years back. Before the 2007 final run. I believe alfie was also open to a trade back then as well. Hopefully the only way we trade spezza is if we get an amazing return. I dont think it would be worth the gamble otherwise. If I was management, I would focus on building a team around spezza. Make sure he has linemates that can finish and also play defence….improve our d-corp….etc give spezza at least 2-3 years as captain. We’ve been grooming him for this for years….why give up after a year? I don’t think he has had a fair shot to be successful. Plus dont think turris and co. are ready to fill his shoes…but in a couple of years they will be. At the end of the day, think this is the route the sens take.

    • sprucesens

      while i’d love a line of say cammalleri-spezza-hemsky then keep turris line, and youth on 3rd, with the smith line as 4th, and an upgrade somewhere in the D, with michalek walking, i think none of the top line happens. michalek-spezza-hemsky, all gone. And it sounds like its spezza’s choice at this point. If he wants out there is nothing we can do, but hope for a good return.

      • sprucesens

        also, eugene won’t spend the $$ despite giving murray the “green light”. Whatever happend to that chirp? i guess you went over that on enough is enough

      • esk

        Yeah we need to hear from him…but i’m hesitant on the fact he wants to leave so bad…he fought so hard to become captain…he knew his contract was coming to an end soon….there has to be some part of him that would rather stay if they figured it out. Looks bad on him for quitting cause thats what it looks like

        • sprucesens

          yeah, until you see the sun do their thing. I think there probably is a way to keep spezza, but it involves keeping hemksy, and also signing a top FA, which won’t happen. I also think murray might be hesitant because of injuries.

        • Sandy

          How do we know he wants to leave … so bad. We don’t.
          It’s assumptions based on his answers to questions and his body language.. and just that..
          This is all about decisions on who they can sign and stay under budget.. That’s the end game.. Save the Owner money…

          • esk

            exactly all assumptions. I don’t think he wants to leave. I actually he think he would be willing to take a discount and stay

          • FistsofNeil25

            Based on what?!?!?! These guys want to get paid market value and Spezza isn’t any different. He has the opportunity to get one more big contract and Ottawa isn’t going to give him that.

    • The Apostle

      I really like watching Spezza from game to game, always been one of my favourite players and I’ve always got frustrated about the amount of flak he gets from fans.

      However, if we can trade him for 2 significant pieces (of a more defensively responsible centre who can anchor line2, a solid blueliner to ease the burden, a signifcant pick or prospect) I think it’s worth moving him on and wishing him well, especially if he no longer wants to be here. I don’t see enough changing next year to convince him to stay and we aren’t good enough to let him walk away for nothing.

  • Hax

    The fact that the NTC is limited is the best news in a while. Gives Murray plenty of options and creates a bidding war between many teams. Confident we’ll get a solid return now (where before I was worried).

  • PraiseAlfie11

    If this team is being run to build a contender, spezza and the whole 1st line stays.

    If the 1st line goes, this team is the next Montreal Expos.

    • Sandy

      IMO.. the focus of the organization now appears to be development of young players and save the Owner money, rather than trying to win the Cup..
      Because that is what is coming across everytime Melnyk speaks..

    • BeJamin

      I don’t think that’s really a fair evaluation. A good return for Spezza would do just as much for this franchise in terms of filling out a contender as keeping him. It’s not like he’s the one guy that will decide if we can build a team like that or not.

      • PraiseAlfie11

        Filling out a contender in how many years? This was year 3 of a 5 year plan, right? I think everyone can say that this team plus a top 2 defenseman would have made the playoffs without issue. The offense isn’t the issue…to blow it up would be a money saving move.

        We will all see the real plan come july 1st. Until then, everything is speculation.

        • BeJamin

          Why do you presume trading Spezza is a “blow up” as you put it? An intelligent deal for Spezza that brings back a 23-30 year old quality winger and a solid top 4 defender would almost certainly put us in the playoffs. That would make us last year’s playoff team, with two additional good players. The one that did it you know, without Spezza. Turris as L1C doesn’t bother me one bit. Neither does Zibanejad in the 2 hole. Their numbers back up that they can do this job just fine.

          • PraiseAlfie11

            Worst case scenario. If 7MM goes out the door and 4MM comes back, it’s a salary dump.

            Teams in strong positions don’t throw away a ppg player unless he’s a cancer (word is he’s not), beginning a complete rebuild, or they are shedding cash.

          • Sandy

            The Sens ARE shedding cash…

          • peetypuck

            We should be able to assume that Murray will get a good return for him or there is no trade. There’s also a good chance that another GM is willing to give up some good assets to get a big, #1 centre.

    • Hax

      A little too black-and-white of a view IMO but I get the sentiment and somewhat agree.

      I would more specifically say that if next year is the start of our “window” then we should be looking to keep the entire first line. But I do worry a bit about term with Michalek.

      Ideally (no internal cap) I’d look to sign Hemsky with full disclosure to him that Spezza might get traded in the summer or by the deadline (don’t want to risk him getting upset if that happens). If Hemmer is happy to sign without any Spezza guarantee then he’s a great addition. If not, then see ya.

      Then I’d look to get Michalek on a short deal if at all possible. Even overpaying if he’ll sign for 1 or 2 years. Again with the message that we’re hoping to make some noise soon. If he’s insisting on a longer deal then I’d consider offering him a contract I felt confident I could trade later if I wanted or just say goodbye.

      Then I’d ride into next season with Spezza and around Christmas time make a decision to really go for it or to start looking to trade Spezza before the deadline (maybe Milo too if he only signed a 1-year deal).

      Essentially, not going to significantly stunt the growth of our younger core but I’d still like to see one more attempt at winning with Spezza.

      Similar logic to Anderson/Lehner.

      • Jonny

        If your going to go for it, you dont trade away your #1C. Especially if we are in the mix for 4th or 5th place finish. The return would be brutal as all you would not get anything of value from contending teams and team not in the playoffs would rather wait till the off season.

        • Sandy

          IF there are a number of teams looking for him to play in the top 2 lines… maybe the return will be better than what you think.
          If Murray can’t get a decent return.. why set this team back even further by getting a diminished return for him..

          • FistsofNeil25

            Better to get something than nothing.

        • Hax

          Agreed. If we’re going for it next season. But if Murray believes that we need to make some more adjustments and/or let our young guys develop for another couple of years then trading Spezza now makes sense. Frustrating as fans of course but smart business. And of course if he’s mentally checked out already you kind of have to trade him since he’s not going to add much if he’s not really invested.

  • BeJamin

    To expand on that, let me ask this; If you were to answer the question “Who are the true Stanley Cup Contenders?” At this point in time, what would your answer be? Myself it would be Boston, Chicago, St.Louis, San Jose & Los Angeles. I don’t even think about the Penguins or the Capitals. Yet those are the teams with Crosby, Malkin, Neal, Ovechkin and Backstrom. Part of team building is Philosophy. It’s just as easy to build a winning team with great 60-75 point players as it is to do it with 90+ point guys. Up to this point, the more 90+ point guys you have to pay through the roof to retain, the less 60-75 point player depth you can afford to have on your roster without thinning out other areas of the team (such as the Defense, in the case of the Penguins or Capitals).

    A 60-70 point player consistently, who plays 200 feet and once and a while has a point-per-game season is obviously sort of the best blend of both worlds. That’s basically what St.Louis, Los Angeles and Boston have. San Jose has players at or around PPG pace in most seasons, and guess what they’ve also never gotten it done.

    Some things that are true about the playoffs and in general:

    1. It’s rare that PPG players maintain that pace in the playoffs. Only a few guys do it.

    2. If your star players line gets scored on as much as they score for you at even strength, then all they are really doing is playing higher event hockey. Meaning there are more shots and more goals and more excitement – for both teams.

    3. In terms of helping Ottawa win hockey games, few will argue MacArthur-Turris-Ryan weren’t the most important and effective hockey line we had this year. It didn’t include Jason Spezza. They scored more than they were scored on, and therefore they helped us win in a big way, because that’s how you actually win hockey games.

    4. The big area Spezza and any of those star players really make a tremendous difference is on the PP. The Penguins PP is #1 for a reason. It can be a big help in the playoffs – although statistics suggest the PK is the most crucial.

    Anyways – my point is, it’s not the end of the world trading Spezza if you get a good return. His main value to the team is what he does for us on the PP. He’s the best player we have next to Karlsson in that area of the game. At even strength he can be a great player if properly insulated. That would probably be my personal route if the trade value coming back wasn’t exceptionally good. Good 200 foot LW + Spezza + Hemsky = the team winning a lot of hockey games until injury takes it’s toll. That’s a risk I’d be willing to take, although I’m not sure for how many more years I’d want to take it.

    The real value in that decision for me is that you get to sign Hemsky long-term, and a signed Spezza is worth more potentially to bidding teams. You can then still trade Spezza at some point down the road if you feel the situation is right, and you get to keep Hemsky. Win-Win maybe? Either way it seems Spezza is on his way out this summer.

    • FistsofNeil25

      Right on the money man. This is exactly how I see it as well.

      We’ll be a better team in the long-run by trading Spezza. Short term, I expect a small step back for the team while guys like Turris and Zibanejad face tougher competition but in the grand scheme of things, I’m confident with a one-two punch of Turris and Zibanejad. I think we need to fill the 3 spot with a veteran guy and keep Smith as the 4th line center or even move him to 4th line left wing.

      Now if only we can get rid of Phillips and reduce Neil’s role to completely turn the team over to the new young core.

      • Zelle

        I’m thinking in two years time this could be a legitimate team. My reasoning:
        - Solidifying Turris and Zbad lines as 1&2
        - Growth of Smith as a third line center or winger with Zbad and Stone
        - Growing this year’s rookies as NHL players in Stone and Ceci, and Hoffman/Pageau if they are kept
        - Phillips will likely retire
        - Neil will likely take on a lesser role
        - Management should know if Cowen is hit or miss
        - Cap space for a strong top 2 D to pair with Karlsson
        - Emergence of Lazar into the NHL

        Of course I am basing this on the belief that Turris, Mac and Ryan will be resigned, and Zbad doesn’t get hurt.

        Short term though I don’t expect too much. Might be better that way though :)

        • Jakester

          Smith is a fourth line center, if he’s third line we’re in serious shit.

          • Zelle

            Great at faceoffs, creates scoring chances, forechecks and backchecks, not sure what more you want? I know you don’t like him but I think you’re clouded by the inability for his linemates to score on most of the chances he creates.

          • Jakester

            I like him but not as our third line center, he can’t create enough offence to be the third line center. Fourth line center Smith is perfect. You know Hoffman is a natural center. Hoffman,Lazar, and even Grant would be better third line Centers. Or maybe we solve that with the Spezza trade.

      • BeJamin

        I certainly thought so ;). Although, you also don’t see the Penguins trading Crosby or Malkin. And none of us would suggest they should. In some ways I feel the Penguins are actually in the best position to become a dynasty team of anyone in the NHL. If the salary cap does in fact keep going up…. they already have their big guns long term. Every good FA wants to be Crosby or Malkin’s winger – because they’ll produce more points, and in the NHL more points = more money at contract time.

        The critical issue with the Pens is the salary cap forced them to move talent which they were never even able to replace. Even guys like Talbot were important bottom 6 forwards who left for more money. If the cap goes up enough that they can fill out the balance of the roster. With everyone wanting to play there… they’ll be scary. Just flat out terrifying.

      • Jakester

        Not even, short term we’ll be better also!

  • BeJamin

    The primary counter question is of course – “Well, if the Hawks & St.Louis can properly insulate Spezza and win championships, why can’t Ottawa?”

    It’s sort of an odd thing to think about. There is certainly a good argument for saying if we fix the other issues with the team (Upgraded/Development of Defense + Add a top line LW who can play 200 feet at a level similar to Hemsky) then the Spezza “problem” goes away and it becomes a strength to have a guy of his skill set. That, and you get to retain a good player in Hemsky.

    For Example, Patrick Kane, properly insulated, sure doesn’t seem to be a philosophical problem for the Hawks. And arguably he isn’t much better defensively than Spezza, but to be perfectly honest I’d have to see his overall metrics to know whether or not that’s actually a fair statement.

    I think you could honestly go either way with the decision on Spezza, but my overwhelming concern would be his long-term health. You really don’t want to wind up with a lemon at some point if you could have gotten a solid return that makes the team just as competitive long-term.

    • Jakester

      We’re a young team with a coach that wants everybody to play the 200ft game, you can’t have a floater setting the Wrong example, to guys like a Lazar,Zibby,and Turris. It will rub off The wrong way quickly. He will be traded.

  • Miguel

    Why is it that when we have a star that is potentially on the block, everyone on earth and in the universe must know about it and devalue our asset?
    When Ryan was on the block, it was hinted at, but never the way it is pronounced as it is in Ottawa.
    We really just seem to know how to minimize our return!
    Chara – nothing
    Havlat – next to nothing
    Hossa- very little as it turned out
    Redden- well he was worth something at one time
    Alfie – nothing
    Bishop – nothing
    at some point we had better get something back for our assets,or we will continue this steady decline.
    And yes the Euge is turning us into the Ottawa Expos!
    Tough times to be a Sens fan indeed!

    • A-Train

      What a ridiculous post! There are too many things wrong here to go over them all, but let’s start with Hossa. Nothing? We got Heatley who, for a time, was the league’s most prolific scorer on the NHL’s best line. Did the marriage end well? No, but that doesn’t mean it was a bad trade. You’re also neglecting all the quality trades and acquisitions of the past few seasons. Turris? Anderson? Ryan?

      Be critical, but be smart about it too please.

      • Miguel

        Wow, out of all those examples you use Heatley to prove your point on a good reeturn???? And you think your comment was smart???

        If you notice I do not reference all trades, BM has made some excellent trades, I am talking about losing players for nothing form improper negotiations, like may happen with Spezza

    • Jakester

      I would rather the whole universe know he’s available then locking into one team as the Habs did with Cammelari, bidding war is the way to go!

  • FistsofNeil25

    I never really thought of Phoenix as a landing spot for Spezza until this news of him not having a full NTC. If Phoenix isn’t on the list of team’s he wouldn’t accept a trade to, they certainly have some interesting pieces. I know people will bring up Yandle, or even Ekman-Larsson (unrealistic), but they have some attractive pieces that could be packaged together.

    Michael Stone D – 23 years old, 6’3” 210 lbs, two-way defenseman. Mark Stone’s brother.

    Mikkel Boedker LW – 24 years old, 6’0” 211 lbs, top six left winger with blistering speed. Would look great with Zibanejad

    Martin Hanzal C – 27 years old, 6-6 236 lbs, Left handed. Would be a great fit as the third line center

    Henrik Samuelsson C/RW – 20 years old, 6’3” 207 lbs. Potential power forward. Curtis Lazar’s teammate from the Oil Kings

    • Pasky

      I was actually thinking about a trade between Michael Stone & Weircioch. Less money and Stone is right handed, which we only have Karlsson & Ceci (Gryba if resigned). Maybe add a 3rd round pick if needed to get it done.

      • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

        Do not move Weircioch….I again can’t believe how quickly the fans want to ditch him.

        • FistsofNeil25

          I like Wiercioch but I see him more as a good #5 guy. The problem is we have an abundance of bottom pairing defenseman an only one top pairing guy, and one second pairing guy. Wiercioch may be seen as an attractive addition to a trading partner is we’re looking to upgrade.

          • Zelle

            I actually would like to see:
            ? – Karlsson
            Wiercioch – Ceci
            Methot – Gryba

            Phillips

            Fits the LS, RS that Maclean likes, one shut down pair, two puck possession pairs, Phillips at reduced minutes.

        • Jakester

          Today’s NHL I prefer what PW46 can do over Cowen.

      • FistsofNeil25

        Don’t see why Phoenix would make that trade. Stone may be the better player already, makes less money, and they already have Yandle, Ekman-Larsson, Michalek, Schlemko as left handed guys. They’re over crowded on the blueline.

        They’ll definitely be looking to trade some of their defense for offense.

      • peetypuck

        Didn’t Murray say that he was happy with the defence in his end of season comments?

        • FistsofNeil25

          Let’s hope he wasn’t being serious/

          • Zelle

            I can’t imagine that they are happy with Cowen being Karlsson’s D partner after this season. I’d give Cowen another season if he attends training camp this year, but not with Erik. Give our star a legitimate, proven partner that lets him do his thing.

        • Zelle

          I thought he just didn’t say anything. We need a Dubinsky!

          • FistsofNeil25

            hell ya we do

    • peetypuck

      Rundblad seems to have to turned out to be a dud. I’m not sure that Malone will want to trade with Murray again. Then there is the coach who preaches defence. Not exactly Spezzas forte`.

      • FistsofNeil25

        but at the same time they committed big bucks to Ribeiro who’s just a shitty version of Spezza. Actually that’s the only reason why I can’t see a trade between the two teams working out. They’re already stuck with Ribeiro and adding having him and Spezza doesn’t make a lot of sense.

        • peetypuck

          I guess it would depend on Hanzal and whether he could be moved to the wing or traded. I doubt they would do that.

  • Brutus5247

    There has to be a reason for a player to want to STAY here. That is the problem right now. They will come when traded but they are NOT wanting to stay. This I see as a problem. They know they can get more elsewhere.

    • Zelle

      Well we know something pissed off Alfie to want to leave, but he did stay in Ottawa for a very long time. Maybe him leaving kind of made Spezza feel he is getting a raw deal and perhaps being Captain wasn’t the transition he thought it would be, it happens and Spezza also stayed a Senator for a long time. Apart from that who is talking about not wanting to stay? Mac, Turris, and Ryan have said the opposite. Some prospects/rookies have rumbled about leaving but because they want to play more in the NHL, not because of money.

      • Brutus5247

        I think once established they want the positives that go along with being an NHL player. Players want a competitive team good owner/administration and a city to keep their wives/kids happy. I don’t think that the media makes a lot of difference but it could be what takes them over the edge along with all the other factors.
        I think it boils down to the fact that PMAC wants a 200ft game every game and Spezza thinks that he’s making his money by providing points and that there are 4 other guys who should play D. He played the last 1/4 of the season very well with Hemsky and only Hemsky. We can assume that Hemsky is gone so the only player who could get Spezza to play to his ability is gone so where does it leave him. The writing was all over the wall when Hemsky talked about exploring all options.

        • Sandy

          For the first part of the season.. Spezza played with Michalek who struggled and it seemed a different bottom 6 player every night…
          Once he got a legitimate veteran top 6 forward – Hemsky.. we saw what Spezza can really do.
          He is not a defensive player. We knew that from the beginning…

        • Zelle

          Everyone but Spezza seems to be with that program though, so I’m going to have to side with the majority about the 200ft game. Does Spezza only want to be Captain if the team plays the way he wants it to be played? I don’t want to speculate, but I really don’t think it’s that drastic in terms of players not wanting to stay. We always knew Hemsky was a big question mark in terms of staying. Spezza only seemed happy to play with a player who had the same vision of the game, not that I blame him, but even when he was scoring goals thanks to players people call “plugs” he didn’t seem happy. There is only so much you can bend over for a single player on your team. Karlsson has just as much skill but he works hard and plays with whomever the coach puts with him.

    • Deadly

      One mans opinion.

      • Brutus5247

        Exactly

        • Deadly

          I got off easy…thanks.

  • Deadly

    In Detroit the old captains back is acting up so he is not starting tonight.

  • Sensturion

    Awesome. Here we go again. 30 seconds in and Montreal gets away with a pretty obvious interference penalty.

  • Sensturion

    It’s amazing what a good goalie can do for a shitty team. Bishop single-handedly got Tampa Bay to the playoffs. Give him the MVP.

    • Zelle

      They also had St-Louis who was doing really, really well. Tampa started to slide near the end even with Bishop.

  • A-Train

    Random thought here, but I’m amazed how much my feelings on the Spezza issue have changed in just the past few weeks.

    I’ve always been a fan and didn’t want to see him traded for a few reasons — loss of team skill, organizational blowback after the Alfie debacle, giving the Spezza haters what they want, etc etc

    But I’ve come to be pretty excited about the prospect of a new look, new identity team.

    So….they better sort this out quickly. Don’t want this hanging over the team, unresolved, for the entire summer and god forbid the whole next season.

    • Deadly

      I am in the same boat.When I see the progress of the B Sens and the stunning playoff and season that Lazar has had , I think we are on the right track.I really feel that the defence will be improved with some additional parts.
      Really liked the way Lehner finished the season.

      • A-Train

        Yes…it’s all about accepting the future and moving on. The original acquisition of Spezza’s pick was part of the evolution of this franchise from expansion joke to elite contender. For me, when he is gone it will finally feel like the page has been turned on an era. I’m ready for the change….just hope Murray can do this properly.

        • Zelle

          Agree with both of you, I just hope fans don’t freak out if Senators don’t make the playoffs next season or the one after that. I figure it’ll take at least one season for Zbad to settle in to his role as #2C and one season before Lazar comes in then another season before he settles. If the organization is patient and waits for these players, and spends two seasons looking at ways to compliment them with wingers and fixes the back end (good partner for Karl first and foremost) I think the team will be in great shape.

      • Sandy

        The issue with Lehner was he sat on the bench a lot.
        He even admitted that he thought he could come into last season and fight for the #1 spot.. and he got upset when that didn’t happen.
        Once he got playing during the Andy injury he started playing really well….
        Let’s hope he comes in next season and just plays when called on. Have no agenda..

        • Zelle

          I know a lot of fans are pissed about sitting the “hot” goalie but in the long term I think that will do wonders for Lehner. Learning humility and patience is a good thing for a young player with a temper.

  • Moudy Mahfouz

    I really thought Tampa would put up a fight but clearly Bishop was the reason why they are in the playoffs..

    • A-Train

      It’s pretty amazing to me how thin their team is behind Stamkos and without Bishop and St.Louis. There’s not much there.

      • Moudy Mahfouz

        Callahan is invincible

        • Sensturion

          He’s inviSible.

          • A-Train

            haha. autocorrect strikes again I’m guessing/.

          • Moudy Mahfouz

            Just a grammar mistake on my part. But yes he is invisible

  • Moudy Mahfouz

    The Drive for 25 (Habs motto) My motto is the drive for getting smacked in 5 (go sens go)

  • luckan20

    Bad refereeing. Price trips Stampkos no call; there was no hand pass. These zebra clowns screwed us against Habs several times and now poor Tampa tasting the same plight.

    • Sandy

      That’s why I don’t watch Habs games. I get so angry at the preferential treatment, all the time, by the stripes.
      These refs are supposed to call a game by the rules.. period.. regardless as to what teams are playing.. or they in my books, are not calling a fair game.. and when the Habs are involved.. it’s not even close to being a fair game..

    • Captain Karl

      Hey Luckan. Do you still want Callaghan

      • luckan20

        Why Callahan ??? I am not big on him, but anything less than $5M, I will snatch. He is more of a character guy and truly comes to play most night.
        Tampa is gone with Bishop getting hurt. Their D getting exposed with Lindback.

  • Sensturion

    Tampa’s D is so bad…

    • Zelle

      Watch the Bruins-Wings game, it’s SO much better. The Habs-Bolts game is a mess by comparison.

  • Captain Karl

    Spezza and cowen for hedman and a first

    • Jakester

      Hedman and Karl would be dynamite.

  • Moudy Mahfouz

    Thats a goal!

  • Moudy Mahfouz

    Lets go lightning!

  • Moudy Mahfouz

    wow lindback

    • Zelle

      Just saw the replay of the last goal. Two weak goals already.

  • Zelle

    Good on Stammer to show some passion there.

  • Deadly

    Just watching the Bruins and thinking back to the Broad Street Bullies. A system, a few good players and a lot of guys who believed in the goal and were willing to do anything to succeed. The Bruins have four lines that work hard ,no great stars ,a solid well rounded defence.
    Are we trying to get to that point…hope so.
    Moving the Captain will probably help us round out the line up. The ideal line up has Greening ,Neil and another grinder playing fourth line minutes. And that means having a third line that has some sting in it that forces our renewed coach to give the fourth line those minutes.

    • Captain Karl

      I believe this is the new way to build a team. Too many teams tie up big dollars on stars and then can’t fill out the roster with adequate pieces. The blues are like that as well as the bruins

    • Zelle

      That’s honestly what I was hoping they were heading for. Especially with last season. Sens got a lot of Bruins fans on their side because of the way they played last year.

    • Jakester

      4th line and nothing above for those two!

      • Deadly

        If they’re playing fourth line minutes they will have the energy to do what they do best. I think Greening would be an asset playing there.

        • Jakester

          Hope he turns it around cuz he was real bad this year. The Schneider’s,Robinson’s, and Dziurzynski’s of this world want his job.

  • Moudy Mahfouz

    Tukka Rask hard to believe the Leafs coulda had this guy.

    • Deadly

      Pimping the Leaf fans. Great evening for night fishing ..eh kKes…

  • karlssens

    I would love Callaghan on my team.. For 5 million or less. 7 million for him is utterly retarded. He’s not much more valuable than Clarkson… If at all.

    • Moudy Mahfouz

      was he asking for 7? He is worth max 5.5 but the way he plays is amazing

      • karlssens

        I agree, he’s never going to be a point producer, but on a team like Ottawa he would fit so well beside Zibby.

        • Moudy Mahfouz

          Id love to see him in a sens jersey tbh but of course prob wont happen

          • karlssens

            Nope. Not as long as Melnyk is here.

  • karlssens

    If Weircioch and Cowen work hard this summer and figure their shit out, I’d feel better about the defense.. But still, awfully thin other than Karl and Methot..

    • Captain Karl

      We should target hedman or oel to play with karlsson

      • karlssens

        Or trade a few D for some prospects.. And sign Kyle Quincey to play in our top 4. Also wouldn’t mind signing Cammelleri to play in our top 6 if both Milan and Ales leave.

        • Moudy Mahfouz

          Lots of options. Going to be a fun off season

        • Sandy

          If Alfie filled in his Detroit teammates as to what went down with him in Ottawa… no way Quincy comes to play here.

      • Brutus5247

        What would make you think that would make Tampa give up a franchise Dman?

        • karlssens

          That’s like us trading Karl.. Never gunna happen.

        • Captain Karl

          We have pieces they might want

  • karlssens

    Cammalleri is going to fly under the radar this summer. If cgy doesn’t resign him, we should try to sign him to a 4 year deal. 5 per season? Ales is as good as gone, and we need someone to fill that void.

    • Moudy Mahfouz

      down

      • karlssens

        We are going to need a few contracts to even meet the floor after Spezza, Hemmer, and Michalek all leave!

    • Jakester

      He’s another guy who plays a weak two way game, no thanks.

    • sprucesens

      i agree on cammy. i think he’s the 2nd tier FA that murray likes. He’s tried to sign him before, and will likely try again. With michalek and maybe spezza and hemsky coming off the books, we have to spend somewhere. Cammy had more goals than anyone on our team this year, and did so on a weak calgary team. He’s a vet, and a hard worker. While his size lacks, he does compete very hard. He may not be the best defensive forward, but neither are the 3 he would be replacing, and in my mind, he is decent upgrade over michalek, as far as i’m concerned.

  • karlssens

    I know one thing for sure.. Melnyk may get away with being cheap this year, but if we lose some talent in 2015/2016, the city is going to ask for his head..

    • Brutus5247

      As long as he’s got 16000 ave in the stands with his TV rights he could give a FK what a couple of hundred fans think.

      • karlssens

        Couple hundred? There will
        Be an uproar.

        • Brutus5247

          The ONLY way is no one goes to the games and nobody buys seasons tickets and it won’t happen. Most go for entertainment and for the team being competitive. Winning isn’t the be all and end all.

  • luckan20

    Camalleri might demand a hefty increase. Without Spezza, we need to address a center. Camelleri should be the 2nd option. If we are trading Spezza, hope we are getting a center coming our way.

    • Captain Karl

      Not a chance. We are already overloaded with centers. It will be a hard winger and pick/prospect

      • luckan20

        Sir, Ryan O’ Reilly should do for us. We need a leader too.

        • Captain Karl

          Yes, Yes he would. Karlsson will be next captain. He’s ready

  • A-Train

    http://www.edmontonsun.com/2014/04/21/curtis-lazar-leading-the-way-for-the-edmonton-oil-kings

    Gotta love that. trying to keep expectations in line…but it’s hard when you read the kind of stuff.

  • Moudy Mahfouz

    fuck yes tampa

  • Moudy Mahfouz

    Dont get me wrong. I will cheer for the Habs if they are the only option left for me but as of now. Go tampa bay!

    • Moudy Mahfouz

      Ducks, hawks, sharks, pens, detroit, tampa then habs hahha

      • Moudy Mahfouz

        and the Avs are obv in their somewhere

    • Sandy

      I wouldn’t cheer for the Habs even if the were playing the Russians.. I hate them that much.

  • Deadly

    Another goal for Lazar tonight.1-1 early.

  • luckan20

    No goal tender interference call on Bourque…

  • Moudy Mahfouz

    ahaha so Bourque rams the goalie. No goalie interference Price rams a players and gets the call..

    • Sandy

      Montreal will play one of Boston or Detroit. There is no way either of those teams will settle for the one-sided referring that the Habs get… They don’t even try to hide it. It so blatant..

  • bluebuyyoo

    Bourque hip checks the Tampa goalie and gets away with it. Yup. Can’t give the Bolts any more momentum, they just might win.

    Any bets on what time the Habs get their obligatory end of the 3rd PP?

    • Sandy

      With 2:00 minutes left. They have to win in regulation.. as anything can happen in OT. I feel really bad for the treatment Tampa has received from the refs in this series… It’s an embarrassment for the NHL.

      • bluebuyyoo

        Close. 02:11

        • Zelle

          No way they got a PP with 2:11 left?

          • bluebuyyoo

            Yup. Pretty bad call considering the play.

          • Zelle

            They just announce they won. Guess they scored on the PP?

          • bluebuyyoo

            Yes.

          • Zelle

            So glad I switched games…

        • Sandy

          Pretty sad. And they don’t even try to hide it..

          Maybe it’s the Mafia threatening the refs into it…. Hey, it’s Montreal.. anything can happen.

  • karlssens

    Christ..

    • Deadly

      Was it a good penalty?

      • karlssens

        Could have called anything.. To chose that is bs

  • Zelle

    Announcer: “Every Bruin is so effective defensively.”

  • karlssens

    NHL is a joke.

    • Sandy

      NHL is a CHEAT.

  • Sandy

    I said the last 2 min they would call the penalty.. I was pretty close.. 2 min 11 sec left….

  • bluebuyyoo

    What a crock of shit.

  • Moudy Mahfouz

    BULLSHIT IM GOING TO BED PISSED

  • Sensturion

    WHAT A FUCKING JOKE.

  • Moudy Mahfouz

    Like come on. 2 minutes left. habs player holding down the tampa bay players no call…then boom penalty on tampa bay. so inconsistent it pisses me off

  • Jakester

    Un f-ing believable! Come on Boston finish off Detroit in 5 and then Please smoke the habs in 4!

  • Sensturion

    I need that extra attacker meme… SOMEONE HOOK ME UP

  • Zelle
  • Sensturion
  • Moudy Mahfouz

    i heard the habs signed the refs to an 8 million dollar contract for 8 years

  • Sensturion

    TSN should change their headline from “Four of a Kind: Canadiens Advance to Second Round With Sweep of Lightning.” to “Referees Advance to Second Round With Sweep of Lightning.”

  • Sensturion

    C’mon CBC! Tell us what you think of the penalty at the end there! We know Ron doesn’t think french referees should ref Montreal games and that Don thinks the penalty was a joke. What about everyone else??

  • Zelle

    Another strong game by Boston.

  • Zelle

    Reading some Tampa Bay forums, they sound a lot like us when Senators played the Habs this season lol

  • Conor_smythe

    anyone else notice how NHL.com is just a huge mess of everything everywhere with no real organized anything?

    what happened over there?

    that site is U.G.L.Y

    • Zelle

      To be honest I haven’t really been since they made the comment section a Facebook thing. Their web programmers suck though.

      • Conor_smythe

        what ever happened to “keep it simple..stupid!”

      • Sandy

        I went on there and told them just what I thought of it. Lots of other fans did that as well.. had the same disgust with the reffing. Except of course Mtl fans trying to justify everything by talking about all the non-calls Tampa had.. like Stamkos punching Emelin…

  • Moudy Mahfouz

    At the end of the day. Habs needs the help of the refs. a 70% stamkos, and a back up goalie to beat Tampa.

  • karlssens

    I think we could easily trade Spezza, Gryba and our fourth to LA for Richards, Toffoli and their first. I would love that package!!

    • Brutus5247

      Oh ya an easy trade! A guy who plays 160ft game with a bad back wanting a huge payday in a year , and a solid defensive defenceman for two good players and a first round pick(maybe they will throw in next years first round pick). I can see this as an easy trade if the other GM is on crack, meth, and smack at the same time.

      • karlssens

        So I guess you’re a fan?

    • sprucesens

      i could see our assets going that way, but i don’t think we get a 1st back. 1 year contract, RFA and a 4th for a top line center with contract, and an A+ prospect? and a first? highway robbery sir. If you sign both spezza and gryba, to OK contracts, and up the pick to a 2nd, you might get that package back

      • karlssens

        Maybe I’m overvaluing spezza. But he is still an 80 pt guy in a healthy season.

        • sprucesens

          its mostly the contract i think. if he had like 3 years, we could probably get that, and technically gryba has no contract as of the 1st. I could see us targetting that package, but i think we have to up it, especially without spezza extended

          • sprucesens

            maybe, spezza, gryba, 2nd, for richards, toffoli conditional 1st. 1st only if spezza signs, and assume we have a contract for gryba that is cheap.

        • s3nsfan

          And that is one of the biggest factors, a healthy season. How many of those has he had in the last few years, will he have going forward?

          • s3nsfan

            1….1 full season in his entire pro career

    • ProfessorPower

      I don’t think we can land toffoli, although that would be great. I think the more likely package would be spezza and hemskys rights for Richards at 20% retained, D.King and a conditional 2nd round pick

  • BeJamin

    Maybe the officiating was poor, but honestly I didn’t watch the games much. Preferred other matchups. It’s hard to complain about officials when you get swept though. Tampa tossed away St.Louis and Bishop was hurt (despite playing at only .900 save % in the second half so may not have made much difference). I really doubt officiating made that much of a difference – the deserving champion Always kills a decent number of penalties. It will be fun to watch boston crush them and hear them cry about refs in round 2z

    • Zelle

      Montreal was the better team, but it seemed like every time the Bolts had momentum they would get offside calls and penalties. Bolts didn’t go on the PP once tonight. The Habs had the series, but the officiating was a disgrace to the sport.

      I just find it funny that so many people called a Montreal PP in the remaining minutes (not just this board) and it actually happened.

      • sprucesens

        yeah, i made a point to watch as little of the habs as possible, because it just pisses me off. However i did watch the 2nd half of game 3. Stamkos offside when he wasn’t and the brutal no goal call for goalie interference. Makes a huge difference when the ref’s become a factor. Ask Ryan how frustrating it is to have the ref’s hand the game over on a platter. I can handle the habs winning, if they actually deserve it, and truth is they probably were the better team. But you never know what might have changed if the ref’s called a straight game.

        • Zelle

          This series had potential to go to 6-7 games because frankly both teams were just not playing great. But Bolts got screwed big time, and unfortunately they did not have the defensive skill to out battle it. Shit happens. I just hope Stamkos has a good recovery and training camp in the offseason for his leg. I doubt the Habs will go much further, but I guess you never know. Every other team in the playoffs except Pittsburgh has been hard hitting though, so I doubt they’ll survive that. Neither Montreal nor Tampa Bay was throwing many hits, and they were all pretty insignificant from what I saw.

          • sprucesens

            yeah, i think either team that was going to come out of this series wasn’t going past the next one. But the habs have that constant extra attacker, as alluded to below

          • Zelle

            True but Boston also gets a lot of leniency, especially in the playoffs. Plus I’ve been watching their series against Detroit and just wow I will be surprised if they don’t get to the finals again this year.

          • sprucesens

            yeah, i’d like to see them lose. sick of hearing it from my father in law. Every day, “they already have the B on the cup”. and that starts about july 2nd.

          • Zelle

            Oh jeez lol I just want to see the Sens win the Cup so we can be the obnoxious ones that over celebrate for once..! I hear you though, I don’t want to see the Bruins win the cup again either. Marchand and Lucic’s names on there once is plenty for me haha.

    • s3nsfan

      It’s not whether it impacted the series, Montreal won the series because they deserved to. The problem is the NHL should be ashamed of the job the officials are doing, yet apparently, do nothing about it.

      • bluebuyyoo

        Bettman continually defends the refs by saying that the NHL has the best officials in professional sport.
        Well, if the NFL had officiating on the same level as the NHL, bookies would stop taking bets.

        • s3nsfan

          I just don’t understand a couple things and if a referee or the NHL would explain it to me I would appreciate it. How is it a penalty in game 1 of the season isn’t a penalty in the playoffs, yet in the NFL or NBA a penalty / foul is called in the last minute of the championship game. When the refs are allowed to put their whistles away because they don’t want to impact the game, it inevitably impacts the game. Just a f*ed up way of thinking, IMHO.

  • Brutus5247

    I think the refs are scared of the Montreal psycho fans.

  • sprucesens

    …. what country knows absolutely nothing about hockey? Can the NHL contact them, and see if anyone there wants a job reffing the greatest game on earth? They’ll do a better job, and likely be unbiassed.

  • karlssens

    By the way Spezza isn’t exactly old.. He’s only 30. Thornton is 35 and still controlling games. Mind you, the back could be an issue..

    • peetypuck

      born – June 13, 1983

  • sprucesens

    well, we won as many playoff games as tampa…

    • Hax

      As many as the Bolts and Kings combined maybe.

  • karlssens

    Completely random.. But Tampa playoff tickets were as low as $20 including a free shirt. You’re telling me this team can spend more than us?!

    Regular season games rarely get to $20 for us, and certainly no freebees with that!

    • sprucesens

      i think i looked at cheap season tickets in florida(panthers) a year or so ago. the cheapest season ticket was 700 bucks, and i think came with parking and a hotdog each night. And i’m sure if you buy hte cheap tickets, they probably let you move up into empty spaces….

      • karlssens

        Unbelievable.. Melynk smh

      • Zelle

        I need to move to Florida…

        • sprucesens

          problem is, you’d be stuck watching the panthers… even though they have lots of good young talent, i doubt they’ll ever be much of a threat

          • Zelle

            But I do love Luongo!

          • Aaron 2.0

            It’s not going nearly as smoothly as it did in Chicago for Tallon, but I’m still very weary of this team down the road with him as GM.

    • bluebuyyoo

      The main difference is that US states, counties and cities treat their sports teams much differently than those in Canada. They recognize the financial benefits sports teams bring to their communities. Teams and owners are often given preferential treatment when it comes to taxes and sweetheart arena deals. In the home of hockey, all levels of Canadian government see sports teams as cash cows that must be taxed to death and politicians are terrified to speak out in favour of giving teams a break in case it hurts their re-election chances to their cash-for-life jobs.

      I remember reading somewhere ages ago that each Canadian team individually pays more tax than all of the US based teams combined.

  • s3nsfan

    I was thinking about this, this morning and I thought I would post it see what people thought. While I agree Spezza is one of the best top C’s in the league. On a new contract extension he is probably going to want 7 years….MAYBE 6. Do you as a fan want to sign his back to that length of term or would you want to make a return on that player while you still can. Hockey is a business and getting returns on players is a priority. While I agree you need at points to show loyalty, you need to get players to help when you have players that want to leave.

  • Harv

    Watched the Montreal/Tampa game (not sure why) and two thoughts come to mind. First is the effort and emotion shown by Gionta and Stamkos. These guys were leaders on their teams and, oh yes, they are the captains. Second is the refereeing. Four officials cannot possibly be this bad because the game is fast and it is easy to miss something. If the game is too fast for them why are they NHL officials?

    The Sens need a captain with the passion we see in other captains and if Spezza is gone this summer the C should go to that type of player. Karlson is my first choice, followed by McArthur and Turris (dead even). In any event these guys should get the C and the two A’s. For the good of the team Neil and Phillips need to step up and turn in their A’s.

    The fact that the NHL is not embarrassed by the quality of referring leaves you with the conclusion that the refs are doing the job the league wants them to do and the league is getting the outcomes which are best to sell hockey in the USA. I know this sounds like a conspiracy theory and a whine but nothing else can explain what we all see with our own eyes.

    • wild bill

      Big market vs small market.

      • crzyman

        Trite.

    • Zelle

      Seeing Karlsson talking to the officials and backing up his goaltender when Lehner was being pushed around really made me think he could easily be the next Captain.

  • Cicero

    “You look back and people probably say he had so-and-so points.But I put so much emphasis that year on my defensive game because I think that’s going to make me a better player and able to help out the team more.

    “And I think it’s showing out here now. I feel really confident in the defensive zone. I can take charge of situations.”

    Curtis Lazar. Yes Curtis Lazar’s words. How the Sens need this guy now!

    http://www.edmontonsun.com/2014/04/21/curtis-lazar-leading-the-way-for-the-edmonton-oil-kings

    • FistsofNeil25

      He’s everything this organization has needed for a long time. No pressure though lol such a versatile player. I have a feeling we will see him in Ottawa next season. He will get a 10 game try out at the very least before they decide to keep him or send up back to junior.

      Murray thought he could have played in the NHL this season. I think he will definitely be given the opportunity to make it next year.

      • A-Train

        Hopes are high. A few questions around where he would slot in though, this coming season or next. I know he plays centre and RW — where’s he best and what’s best for the Senators?

        Also…remember he is playing in a league with kids as young as 15. Not unheard-of for players of his age to make the jump immediately, but rare?

      • Zelle

        Ridiculously excited for this kid. My best friend lives in Medicine Hat and is going to the game tonight. I pleaded with her to try and get his autograph lol

      • s3nsfan

        and realize that being defensively player helps his game but more importantly helps his team.

        That is in itself, imho, this teams next leader.

    • peetypuck

      I think Bryan Murray just did it again. Lazar is going to be a good one.

  • A-Train

    Operating under the assumption that Spezza is gone to start the season….

    Should the Ottawa Senators go with no ‘C’?

    If they do award it…

    Phillips clearly wanted it bad last year and with his career drawing near to the end he would be the safest choice.

    Karlsson is probably the next most-likely. He displays the intensity and quotability you’d like to see from a Captain too.

    Some like Turris, but I feel that would be a mistake. He’ll already be taking on the additional responsibility of being the team’s number 1 centre. Adding the captaincy seems like too much.

    • FistsofNeil25

      I don’t think there’s anyone that has proven worthy of wearing the ‘C’ yet. I don’t think they should rush into naming the next captain until the real leader emerges.

  • Brutus5247

    Hate to be a purveyor of bad news but Speeza on a trade scale is only a C+ player. The injuries and laziness factor drop him from an A-. You can’t expect A/B guys for him and a 1st rounder. One B player at best.

    • Pugnacious Serf

      I agree with the premise, but your really undervaluing Speeza. I’ll dare say Ottawa will get at least a potential top six forward prospect with a couple years in the league and mid to late first round pick, OR a current productive top six forward back. You are right that it won’t be like the deal for Bobby Ryan. What if we got back something like Anaheim’s first and a player like Kyle Palmieri? I think that’s as good as it gets…

  • ProfessorPower

    Although I dont want LA to lose its fairly evident they are going to. With there struggles in scoring I wouldn’t be surprised if they are the ones calling Ottawa about Spezza, and possibly the rights to Hemsky. The more I think about it M.Richards has a good chance of becoming an Senator, a BM type player who would become expendable if they took Spezz off our hands. Richards along with the +’s we get in the potential deal can work wonders for our young club, especially with Lazar making the team next year (most likely).

    Spezza for Richards 20% retained + (King,Clifford,Toffoli,Muzzin,Martinez) can really create a win win benefit for both teams. Spezza would play with Jeff Carter, Richards could possibly take the ‘C’ and revamp his career in a Canadian Market. The type of character we need to push for a cup.

    I predict Richards will be a Senator by September, possibly within a couple weeks lol

  • Digital Sens Fan

    If im bryan murray i call florida once the season is done and see if they want spezza… Offer spezza greening gryba + prince for the first overall pick, kulikov and upshall… We draft eckblad who is going to be amazing… This is the best scenario if we dump spezza… Sell that florida can sign heatley cheap and spezza heatley and greening can be first line…

  • rhume55

    Spezza to Toronto for Kahdri, Clarkson, and a 1st — Leafs keep some of Clarksson’s contract.

  • SASK FSHRMAN

    Spezza for Gabriel sounds good to me.