Sens Targeting Benoit Pouliot

SensChirp June 30, 2014 426
Sens Targeting Benoit Pouliot

With the start of NHL Free Agency now just one sleep away, news has emerged that the Senators have set their sights on New York Rangers forward Benoit Pouliot.

According to a report over on this New York Rangers blog, and confirmed by a couple people I have spoken with as well, the Senators are hoping to lock up Pouliot when the market opens tomorrow at 12:00 PM.  Pouliot was in Ottawa to meet with Senators’ Management this afternoon.

Pouliot is from the area, and would help fill a need the Senators have on the left side.  The 27 year is coming off a strong season with the Rangers, in which he racked up 15 goals during the regular season and another 5 during their playoff run.

The Pittsburgh Penguins are another team with serious interest in Pouliot but assuming the offers are similar, it seems as though Ottawa would be his preferred destination.  Something to keep an eye on tomorrow afternoon.

 

  • jtf927

    awesome! glad to see murray is making moves. GO SENS GO!

  • Spoons

    Please no…. I mean, you can`t say no to someone who wants to play here, but we`ve got like 12 players jammed in the bottom 6 spots

  • Phil.

    I don’t get it. Not the type of player I would have targeted, that’s for sure. Some skill, some inconsistency, not physical (except a few games in the playoffs).

  • Floridasensfan

    Thats going to freak people out here that a player wants to play for Ottawa lol

    • jtf927

      we could definitely use the good publicity.

  • Dirk-Diggler

    I’d like a 3 year deal around 2, 2.25 and 2.75…

    He’d be a good fit on the 2nd line. He’s big, can skate and has skill.

    He just needs to smarten up about the penalties. All in all I don’t hate this acquisition if it comes true…

    • karlssens

      He won’t sign for under 3…my guess is 3-4 years at 3

  • karlssens

    As long as this isn’t our big splash, I’m happy. I still want to re-sign Michalek if the numbers make sense. Jokinan and Niskanen as well. But bodies have to be moved out on D.

    • KJ

      Won’t be Niskanen unfortunately. Apparently he is looking for the home run contract at 6 + million as per THE Bob. I know we are linked to him in the rumour circle though.

  • Phil.

    To put it in context, this year (his best year ever) Pouliot still had fewer point than Michalek.

  • WaitingSince92

    Not sure how to feel about this. A player with Ottawa #1 on his list is rare. He’d probably be a decent fit on the third line with Smith. He’d be cheap.

    Those are the good things, but ultimately we’d be doing the same thing as last year; forcing young, developing players into roles they aren’t able to fill. We assumed one of Gryba, Wiercioch, Cowen or somehow Phillips*, even Ceci* could fill in on the second pairing. No one took that massive step and I don’t want to do the same thing but with forwards this year.

    I hope Zibanejad, Stone, Hoffman, Pageau and Lazar can exceed expectations, but this strategy scares me. Anyone else?

    *Never expected him to be top 4, but they both spent time there

    • ProfessorPower

      A third line of Pouliot-Smith-Lazar could be pretty good actually.

      • Sandy

        Agree with that. Lazar needs some experienced players to play with.

  • CaMo

    That’s a start at least. He won’t get the money he would elsewhere but if its his preferred destination than he’ll probably be OK with that.

  • donney

    I agree karlssens, something along those numbers. i dont this pick up at all. This guy is a top six player and was one of nyr’s best playoff players. He was hard on the puck and made things happen with his body and skill. Idont see why to not take a flyer on the guy.

    • jtf927

      agreed. keys are, a hard player and wants to play for ottawa.

      • KJ

        Murray has stated again and again we wants to get bigger and harder to play against. This would be consistent with his plan

  • WaitingSince92

    Man, if I were Tampa, it couldn’t hurt to pick up Conacher at no cost. Only place he was ever any good.

    • Sensturion

      Playing with St Louis. He was Cory’s mentor.

      • CaMo

        And Stamkos, that’s the only reason he looked any good.

  • jtf927

    really hoping the next piece of news we hear is a deal between the sens and stars for spezza. that seems to be picking up steam.

    • ProfessorPower

      what is your best guess at a Dallas trade?

      • CaMo

        Cody Eakin ? Chaisson?

        • ProfessorPower

          I could see Cody Eakin since we need another center

      • jtf927

        honestly, i am not too familiar with the roster or prospects. i know there AHL affiliate just won the calder, so, they know what it takes to win and have a taste of success, which is good. what do you guys think should be coming back our way?

        • ProfessorPower

          Well like everybody I want Nichushkin lol People are talking about Daley which would be a good pick up, but don’t we have enough LHD + have 8 dmen signed already

          • Jakester

            Then you can move Cowen plus for a promising forward.

          • ProfessorPower

            and still have 8 d signed. I dont want to move Cowen, second year slump coming off a big injury..d take long to develop and I highly doubt BM will move him now.

    • Sandy

      Do we even know if the Stars are on the short list for Stastny?

  • donney

    Other than our turris line, I think we can agree Pouliot would easily roll in our top six if we get him dont you Phil. He isn’t a third line player. He brings a lot more of a chippy game with skill. Our team team is softer than baby shit right now. We can keep greening in the top six if you prefer. I get he isnt the best second line player in the league, but dont get hate on considering the sens options.

    • Phil.

      I somewhat agree. You are probably right that he’ll slide in the top six, although I see him as a better than average third liner.
      I think some here have a positive bias from this year and the playoff. I have a negative bias from, well, all the years before that.
      He has been inconsistent, some injuries, and is not a physical player (again these playoff are a fluke IMO).
      I am expecting the guy that got kicked out of Minn, MTL TB and Boston, not the guy with one good year for the Rangers. Maybe I’ll be proven wrong.

      • Deadly

        Just asking,what did you think of the MacArthur signing?

        • Phil.

          Fair question. At the time, I thought it was an ok signing. I saw him as a poor man’s top six. He has exceeded my expectations.
          I see Pouliot as third liner, better than average third liner in skill.

  • Sensturion

    A buddy or mine apparently taught Pouliot and said he doesn’t give a shit most of the time. He lacks the drive and used to say that he would play hockey for the paycheck and not necessarily for the love of the game. Also said he had a bad attitude. Now it’s been 10 years, so I’d assume he’s grown up a bit since then.

    • Sandy

      I assume there will be motivation as he will basically be playing near his hometown.

    • whammer44

      Sounds like another shitty teacher to me. :)

  • Max2166

    Would be a good signing. He is from the area. A good return from Dallas for Jason Spezza, would be Chiasson and Daley. Nill will not offer Nishnukin.

  • Max2166

    Other good news tomorrow would be extensions for Ryan, MacArthur and Methot.

    • jtf927

      absolutely dude.

    • FistsofNeil25

      Trade them all for picks and prospects!

      • 011110101011110101010101010101

        If I want to watch AHL hockey I’ll drive down to Binghamton

    • KJ

      Dorian has repeatedly said they will be busy today. Extensions might be announced.

  • Harv

    Having a hard time seeing this as a positive development. This guy seems to have more baggage than an overloaded 747. Is this the quality of free agent we are chasing? I hate to be negative and will wait and see what develops but I was hoping for better.

    I know, I know. It is early days.

    • SensChirp

      Like MacArthur, Pouliot is a guy that looks extremely good when you start to look into his advanced stats.

      • Harv

        Hope that proves to be the case. Like I said I will wait and see what develops and give him support if he sign with the Sens.

        I do think some of the expectations posted here are a little off the clock.

      • Jakester

        I’ll say this, he seems to be playing with a lot more determination than when he was with Montreal. He has matured a lot. Seeing that he’s a local guy might just elevate his game to another level. There is no denying he has lots of talent, a top 5 pick. 3 million a year would be a good contract.

      • Phil.

        I am asking because I am not a stats guy, but can I assume that you are referring to this past season? Or is that true in earlier seasons as well?

  • T K

    I’m just happy to finally hear that Ottawa is a “destination” team, even if it’s just for one player

    • KJ

      Sure beats the pessimism around here doesn’t it.

  • Spoons

    This team needs a serious rebuild. We have 12 players fighting for the bottom 6 spot, yet we don`t have a legit 1st line. We have 5 D-Men fighting for the bottom 2 D, yet we need a solid veteran top 4 D.

    • FistsofNeil25

      Yep. Trade Spezza, Ryan, Methot, MacArthur and Anderson and let’s rebuild this mess. If there was every a time to do it, it would be now.

      • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

        I kinda feel this at this point..Would love to keep Ryan but doubt he is willing to go through a full rebuild.

        (we should have done this at the beginning)

      • SensChirp

        You do that, you risk losing Karlsson.

        • FistsofNeil25

          The way we’re operating right now we’re risking that anyway don’t you think? We’re risking losing a lot of our good players with such a tight budget.

          All these players want is to get paid and to have a serious chance to win.

          • SensChirp

            Yup. But doing more of what we’re doing certainly doesn’t improve the situation.

          • FistsofNeil25

            How do we improve it? We’re sitting her talking about how Benoit Pouliot is going to be our prized free agent acquisition and probably be placed in our top six next year.

            What are we doing? This is extremely frustrating.

          • WaitingSince92

            All stems from budget. Nothing to improve it until we can get away from the cap floor. Looks like Sens brass won’t be able to use ‘we’re a mid-cap team’ anymore. $56m is closer to the basement with a $51m/$69m cap/floor.

          • FistsofNeil25

            That’s my point. If we’re going to be a budget team it makes sense to go full rebuild at this point. We have so many good young pieces that are a handful of years away from the prime of their careers.

    • Deadly

      For some, the negatives are the focus. For others we see the positives.
      The Rangers advanced to the finals last year with a team that was pretty ordinary.
      Not saying we are close to winning the cup but we are not far from making the playoffs.

  • Kumar

    It will be a good addition if we land on Pouliot. He needs to stop taking unwanted penalties. He is a tough guy to play against.
    I will like to see him playing along with Smith and Neil. It will be one heck of a line.

    • zippy

      From what I’ve read Pouliot draws more penalties than he takes.

    • Jakester

      Poor Pouliot if thats the f-ing plan.

    • KJ

      Takes less than Neil!

  • Keregan

    God please no

    • SensChirp
      • jimmyjohnson

        First thought after seeing the link: “I doubt that.”

      • zippy

        Travis Yost added a note talking about Spezza to Dallas. I liked the quote:

        “Side-note, I don’t care how the trade looks or what it would take: I’d love, love, love to pry Valeri Nichushkin from Dallas. You kind of would assume he’s untouchable as such a cost-effective and ultra-talented youngster, but perhaps Ottawa (with Spezza, or in a larger deal) can find a way to snag him.”

        So what would Dallas need from us to pry him out?

        Puempel? Prince? Stone?

        Would you give up Stone for Nichushkin?

        I would think about it pretty hard. Nichushkin is projected to have better skills than Spezza.

        • jimmyjohnson

          Lazar.

          “No?

          Sorry, we’re good with him on the Stars.”

          • zippy

            Lazar stays.

        • Sensnation

          I’d draw the line at Puempel, but be willing to give Stone and Prince. Definitely not Lazar.

          • zippy

            If we’re trying to get to the cap we could always offer to take Gonchar back

          • Sensnation

            Would you play Gonchar over Wiercioch and Gryba at this stage in their careers and this org’s current situation?

          • zippy

            No. But we gotta get to the floor. I guess I gotta do more numbers.

          • zippy

            yes I guess we are near the floor now. with Spezza gone we need to spend 7 mill.

            Pouliot will be 1-2. Means we gotta spend 5.

          • Sensnation

            With Spezza capgeek says we are at 52.4 mil, which is over the floor. We still have to re-sign Lehner as well, hopefully 2-3mil max.

            So minus Spezza we only need to re-sign Michalek or another comparable UFA and then get Pouliot and we’re pretty much set.

          • Sandy

            We can spend to the budget of 56M. So with 45M (that’s minus Spezza) they can spend 11M in cap space to get to the top of the budget.

          • KJ

            Yes. Especially if he played like he did the year before he left (not his first season as a Sen) :)

  • FistsofNeil25

    We could probably trade Spezza, Ryan, MacArthur and Methot right now for packages that would each involve a 2015 first round pick. Imagine having 5 first round picks in next years draft?

    This team is headed down a long path of mediocrity the way we stand right now. Let’s pick a direction to go in a be aggressive for once. If Melnyk wants to operate on a strict budget and save some cash, let’s go full rebuild this year with one of the best drafts in a long time on the horizon.

    Trade the 5 key free agents for next summer for picks, prospects and other teams salary dumps to get us to the cap floor and lets build this properly.

    For three years we tried to rebuild while staying competitive and now that it’s time to turn the corner Melnyk is refusing to spend on payroll. Sure we could re-sign Ryan, Methot and MacArthur but they would be wasting the prime years of their careers on a team that isn’t going to be close to contending. How does that make sense?

    • SensChirp

      Too many important pieces in that 23-24 year old range to do this now.

      • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

        So what we are doing is a better plan? Don’t spend money so they all leave at the first chance.

        • SensChirp

          Also a bad plan

      • FistsofNeil25

        But Karlsson is the only player in that range that projects to be a top end guy. How do you win without top talent? You can’t. It’s impossible.

        • WaitingSince92

          That’s a pretty big ‘but’. Don’t forget Turris too.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Turris and Karlsson are my favorite players on this hockey team but let’s all be serious for a second, even Bryan Murray likes Turris as a 2C and not a 1C. He isn’t a top line center on a contending hockey team.

          • WaitingSince92

            Agreed, but he’s probably one of the best 2Cs in the league (he’s a 2C on an elite team)

            However, I think he’s still improving and just as importantly, getting stronger, so in my mind, he’s still got potential to be a 1C. Let’s not forget only Kane and JVR we’re taken higher in his draft year (not that draft ranking is SUPER important…)

        • SensChirp

          Well I would include Turris, Stone, Zibanejad, Cowen, Lehner, Ceci- even though a couple of those guys are younger.

          If the plan isn’t to win with those guys in or entering their prime (some on lower entry level or second contracts), then this team may as well be a decade away. And based on some of the fan outlooks I’ve seen in here lately, I don’t think the Franchise could survive that.

          • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

            No I know if they had done the rebuild properly and not tried to half ass it and lie to the fans the whole time I would still have tickets.

          • FistsofNeil25

            I just don’t see how Stone, Turris or Zibanejad project to be top end first line players. I think that’s really a stretch.

            But the thing is we can still plan to win with those guys. They’re all so young. Stone, Zibanejad, Cowen, Lehner and Ceci are probably 5 years away from their prime years anyway and by that time Ryan, Methot, MacArthur will be at the end of beyond their prime years.

          • jimmyjohnson

            Boston didn’t have a top end first line center. It’s debatable whether Kopitar in 2012 was. And Toews just became one like 2-3 years ago.

            There’s still time for those guys to develop into premier guys.

            And for anyone hard of reading, I’m talking about regular season production. If you want to argue using playoff production, you have no counterweight…we don’t know what our guys can do yet in the playoffs.

            ^I typed that with you in mind tcharger.

          • Sandy

            You do realize Turris is 24 yrs old and Stone & Zibby are around 21.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Yes and what does that have to do with the above comment? They’re going to be very good players but do any of them project to be a number 1 or 2 forward on a contending team?

          • Sandy

            How about we give them some time to determine that.

          • FistsofNeil25

            and we are. It’s just too bad we don’t have enough money in the budget to surround them with good players eh.

          • Sandy

            Now that’s a point. We will have to wait to see how the FA pans out.
            This team needs players. If they have another bad year, the reward at the end of that is a high pick in a great draft.

          • Sensnation

            Turris did when he was drafted, not sure if he still does. Puempel and Lazar are probably our best shots after that. But I agree our top end skill is in short supply like just about every other NHL team out there. Too many teams, not enough elite talent.

          • jimmyjohnson

            I agree with you on a whole lot of topics but this is not one them.

            80% of the talent on this team and in this system is in the “we don’t know what you are” phase. From established NHL youth to the newest prospects, there’s very little clarity on how they will develop. This team has done very well in drafting high ceiling players.

          • Jakester

            Yes, what r u talking about.

      • WaitingSince92

        Right on. Gotta remember our window for being competitive and possibly piecing together an elite roster starts with Karlsson – he is our elite talent.

    • ProfessorPower

      I stopped reading after the first sentence.

      • FistsofNeil25

        That’s fair. I understand that most of you guys don’t feel the way I do. I just don’t know where this team is going short term. How will re-signing Ryan, MacArthur and Methot help us reach our ultimate goal if we’re going to be a tight ass budget team?

        They’ll help ensure that we’re in that group of teams that finishes anywhere from 6-12th in the conference, but they won’t get us to where we need to be if we can’t surround them with a good group of players.

        • ProfessorPower

          I stopped reading after the last sentence.

          • WaitingSince92

            I stopped reading YOUR comment after the – oh wait…

    • Wyzerd

      Holy dramatic meltdown Batman….We are still in a rebuild. If a decent deal was to be had for Spezza Brian would have pulled the trigger. He can get a shit deal any time of the year. It’s Perfect strategy to wait and try to get what the team needs. Spezza is a first line centre – There isn’t a team that would’t value to have him on their team. Why should Brian pull the trigger to just keep a bunch of crybabies happy…

      • FistsofNeil25

        My comment has nothing to do with that fact that we have yet to trade Spezza. It has everything to do with the fact that we’re likely headed no where in the next handful of years.

        • Wyzerd

          The part of my comment that was directed to you was “Holy Dramatic meltdown Batman”

          • FistsofNeil25

            I know it was but the fact that we’re sitting here talking about signing Benoit Pouliot tomorrow has pushed me towards my boiling point. This is who Bryan Murray has in mind for our top six lol

          • Wyzerd

            Team just needs time to let their d to develop, as well as some of their o prospects. It would help if Brian could bring in more experience to stabilize that path.

          • jimmyjohnson

            I agree with the first part of this comment, but Imo the time to bring in stabilizing vets was last year. Now, they have to let Cowen, Wiercioch, and Gryba show if they can stabilize the D without being propped up.

          • jimmyjohnson

            I see what your saying.

            I’m not keen on trading any of those guys though.

          • FistsofNeil25

            I’m not keen on it either but I’m definitely not keen on the direction we’re heading in. We could build this team in to a contender in the east if it weren’t for the budget.

          • Sensnation

            If we’re patient with our core prospects we could build it into one on a budget as well.

          • jimmyjohnson

            What sensnation said is possible… but more importantly, there’s a cap and we need money players now… Also, those guys you mentioned are solid role players. Ryan may be a star soon or he may be a nice top-6 forward, but either way we won’t get value for him. MacArthur only makes sense to trade if he won’t re-sign. same for Methot.

          • Sandy

            We don’t know where he will play or who else is coming in?
            It’s an experienced warm body to put in a very young lineup.

          • peetypuck

            Pouliot would make a decent 3rd liner. It’s too much to expect him to be a top sixer.

        • peetypuck

          Zibby will be getting close to retirement by then.

    • Harv

      That will surely make Karlson’s day. Why not thrown him in and get 6 top picks/

    • Sensnation

      Which of the prospects that we’ve drafted during this 3 year rebuild have we had to re-sign and not been able to show the money?

      People are getting way too impatient with a rebuild in which we made the playoffs 2 out of 3 years and most of the top prospects during that rebuild have barely played with the team yet.

      • FistsofNeil25

        Where did I say that we haven’t been able to sign our prospects?

        • Sensnation

          That’s the main part of the payroll I’d be worried about him refusing to spend on. We have Zibanejad, Hoffman, Pageau, Stone needing new contracts next year and then Methot as well as the other key names everyone has been mentioning. He’s shown the money to Cowen and about to show it to Lehner. Signing veteran ufas would not only eat up their icetime but their salary allowance as well.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Well back to your original response… I’m not getting impatient with the rebuild. I’m getting impatient because the time to really go for it in the eastern conference is honestly right now. Pittsburgh is re-tooling, Boston is having cap problems, the east is wide open.

            Instead of talking about going for it right now, we’re talking about trying to find bargain bin free agent signings that will get us to the cap floor.

            Can you imagine if we didn’t have this budget? I was just playing around with the arm chair GM feature on cap geek with this as our roster for 50M exactly:

            ?????? – Spezza – ??????
            MacArthur – Turris – Ryan
            Pouliot – Zibanejad – Stone
            Hoffman – Smith – Neil

            Methot – Karlsson
            Cowen – ??????
            Wiercioch – Gryba/Ceci

            That’s 50M with almost 20M in cap space to add two top six forwards and a top four defenseman. That roster could be a serious threat in the east. Instead, we’re talking about trading our best forward in Spezza, and we’re growing increasingly concerned about signing Ryan.

            This is why I’m growing impatient. Instead of going for it, our team is more focused on just trying to be “competitive”.

          • Sensnation

            I’m not denying a good 1st line with Spezza would have been awesome right now, but the time to go for it with our prospect core is when they are approaching their prime, which is still years away. The climax (if you will) for our current organizational roster and the rebuild we have worked on, is in about 3-5 years. This doesn’t mean we can’t make the playoffs or compete before then though.

            Also too early to panic about Ryan just because a few fans posted they are afraid. Let’s see what happens over the next week or month.

          • Jakester

            Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

          • jimmyjohnson

            If you want excitement, go ride a rollercoaster.

          • KJ

            LOL

          • zippy

            You are right if it’s just about spending. Add Moulson and Hemsky and Gonchar and we’d rock

          • peetypuck

            Gonchar’s too old, Hemsky and Spezza would be off with injuries most of the year and Moulson is too slow.

      • jimmyjohnson

        This fanbase was spoiled with 11 years of being a playoff team. They don’t understand how rebuilds work. They also have some legit complaints about the budget during Alfie’s last year(s). I think now, they don’t care to reason with Eugene, they just want to be indignant.

        • Sensnation

          Agreed. I really never realized how entitled this town had become until this last year. You’d think the fans who got this team through the 90s had disappeared.

          • jimmyjohnson

            Sombre note: unfortunately many of them have.

            A whole lot of youngsters in this fanbase are new to the game and new to fandom. Many of those youths, and their elders alike, have watched for 2 decades as this team has taken a spiritual pounding from Toronto media and fans.

            They were never rewarded with a Cup and were pretty reasonable at the start of the rebuild. but then they got spoiled with their 0 year rebuild and 3 playoff series’ during the first two years of it. They saw a team ready to contend with the best. They didn’t listen to the words of their Captain. They didn’t realize this team wasn’t ready to compete.

            The youth needed to go through their growing pains and the vets weren’t able to drag them over the hump.

            We lost a Captain , lost a season, and now they’ve lost their patience.

          • FistsofNeil25

            and we’re about to lose another captain who is also our best forward.

            We aren’t growing impatient because we feel entitled to playoff hockey. We’re growing impatient because we can see that if it weren’t for the budget, we could have a legitimate chance in the eastern conference this year while we continue to rebuild and develop the good young players that we’ve accumulated over the last three seasons.

            I would rather see this team bring along our youth gradually and surround them with good veteran players. We should be talking about adding a top six forward or two and a top four defenseman while retaining Spezza. Instead we’re talking about replacing an entire top forward line and forcing our youth in to spots in the line up that they may not be ready for.

          • jimmyjohnson

            Well my comment wasn’t directed at you, but in response, I don’t think it’s as bad as you make it out to be.

            You might be right though. Unfortunately, no amount of anger will change what has happened.

          • FistsofNeil25

            I’m usually not angry. Just ranting. This Pouliot thing really set me off for some reason lol

          • Sandy

            Why? He’s not that bad a player. He’s not Spezza or anything but he will serve a role on the team. Every player on the team has a role.
            This whole mess of Spezza leaving could have been fixed if they offered Alfie about 1.5M more in their first offer to pay him 6M.
            He’s not worth that on the ice anymore, but what he meant to the team, the organization and the fans, it would have been with your organization’s reputation to keep your legacy player.

          • Sensnation

            I’m on your side with most of what you are saying. If there was more money in the team budget we could be even more competitive. But if there’s a time to skimp it’s now, not right after we almost won the cup a while back, and not in 3 years when we are ready to go for another.

          • peetypuck

            I have to agree with you 100%.

          • Sensnation

            Well put! I still hate that Alfie said that DURING the series!

          • jimmyjohnson

            Yeah…I hear ya.

          • peetypuck

            Very well put.

    • jimmyjohnson

      Given the return on a lot of guys recently, it wouldn’t surprise me at all if you struggled to get any first round picks. Are you comfortable trading those guys if only a second or third round pick comes back (with whatever else..)

      GMs also seem eager to protect their 2015 firsts, at least for now..

      • FistsofNeil25

        That’s a good point.

      • peetypuck

        Wouldn’t you give up your 2015 1st round pick for Bobby Ryan, a proven 30 goal scorer. Is there any guarantee that the player you pick will be better?

        • jimmyjohnson

          1 for 1?

          sure.

    • Sandy

      How do you propose the Sens spend to the cap floor if they are trading the high salaried players away.
      They do that, CTC will be empty for quite some time.
      Melnyk says he lost money before (well it would be true if they do what you suggest).

      • peetypuck

        He only lost money if you count the $millions he spent paying off loans that he has taken out in the Sens name.

        • Sandy

          I don’t think he lost money at all. If the losses were that bad he would have been offset on some of that by revenue sharing.
          I think he’s making really good money off CTC, Capital Tickets, concessions, etc.

          • peetypuck

            Exactly, that’s what I meant.

    • whammer44

      Not sure you will have teams with high end picks looking to unload them for a bunch of guys heading to free agency.

      • Andrews theory

        You actually might if it’s to teams like Nashville, Dallas, Pheonix where they think if they can get the guy there and liking it, he’ll resign.

        • whammer44

          I don’t know, if someone offered us, say Eric Staal for our first rounder next year, would you take it? I wouldn’t.

          • peetypuck

            We are a rebuilding team looking for a very high draft pick next summer opposed to a team that wants to be a contender. Big diff.

    • spgottawa

      Not. Going. To. Happen.
      Spezza yes.. Anderson if BMs feeling gutsy. A D to clear some space. Give some time for Zibby and Lazar to grow into their skates and for Karlsson and Turris to reach their potential. They need Ryan, MacArthur, probably Methot to help solidify the team and mentor the younger ones. This is the year that the torch is finally passed from the (alfie)/Spezza, Phillips/ Neil group…

  • aegiszx

    If there’s ANYTHING I’ve learned from watching BM… his judgement on players is second to none. Remember when he got a disgruntled Turris out of Phoenix? Plucked a relatively unknown number 4-6 D-man out of Columbus in Methot? An enforcer in Konopka that wound up teaching ZSmith how to win face offs and be a solid 3C?

    I trust BM knows what he’s doing. If we do get Pouliot, he’s a welcomed addition!

    • ZaZa

      Don’t forget about MacA

  • http://www.crashthenet.ca/ Luc Wolfe

    I don’t mind the move, but god let their be other players coming in!

  • Aaron 2.0

    Well, the free agency market is not exactly strong. I am from the neutral planet on this one (Futurama reference). I have no strong feelings either way. Yost seems to think Pouliot’s underlying numbers are pretty good – good puck possession and decent shooting percentage. Probably not a bad target for a cash strapped team. Not sexy, but, sort of fits with what’s to be expected at this point.

    • Sensturion

      I have no strong feelings one way or the other. If I don’t make it out of here alive, tell my wife: “Hello.”

  • Aaron 2.0

    Just actually scrolled down now, and saw quite a bit of negativity. Sorry to cluster post. Just thought I’d point out that most were pretty on-board to bring back Michalek. I don’t see a huge difference in the quality of these two targets (Pouliot vs Michalek). Obviously very different players. But, both sort of L2/L3 type guys at this point. Add that Pouliot’s shins are less likley to fall off. Cheer up guys! It’s not all bad!!

  • Zachpraisetheswedes

    My only concern with Pouliot is that he’s played with so many teams. Why dont any of them like him enough to keep him around? I mean Montreal, Minny, Boston and New York. That’s a lot.

    That said he’s a big dude that can skate very well, has pretty filthy mitts, runs guys pretty damn hard and I’ve noticed him many times while watching the rangers play the past couple years

    • Sensturion

      Apparently he has attitude problems.

    • Sandy

      Would you take Dominic Moore on your team?

      • Kumar

        I will take. We have Lehner full of crappy attitude. We shouldn’t judge players based on personality. Every freaking human have some kind of attitude. We should look for a guy who has gone through so much hell in his life. He is a fighter and every team likes to add him to the roster. I will have him over all of our top 6 guys.

  • Don Ciccio

    I actually like Pouliot as a player and he brings a lot to the table. He has good size, speed and is good on the pk and forecheck. I see him as a 3rd line player and with the return from Spezza possibly being a top 6 forward then, we are looking pretty good. What if we get someone like ROR? I know we would have to add but the possibility is there.
    MacArthur – Turris – Ryan
    ROR – Zibanejad – Stone
    Pouliot – Pageau – Condra
    Greening – Smith – Neil
    Doesn’t look too bad……I can see something like Spezza and Hoffman for ROR

    • jimmyjohnson

      Can we just kill the ror thing? Only way we get him is through an offer sheet and Murray doesn’t do offer sheets.

      ror will probably never play a game for this team. If he does, it almost certainly won’t be next season.

      • Don Ciccio

        Wouldn’t you look dumb if it happened…..Not sure how you could be so positive on something that you have absolutely no idea about.

  • rhume55

    Very excited to see what depth players Murray will be able to add with all the money freed from Michalek & Spezza’s big salaries

    • 011110101011110101010101010101

      signing RL / extending BR and CM ?

  • whammer44

    I’m for this kind of move if it pushes guys like Greening and Neil towards the exits. If its a move as an answer to the lack of top 6 forwards then…ugh.

  • 011110101011110101010101010101

    Nikita Filatov – 9 games
    Mike Lundin – 11 games
    Alex Auld – 14 games
    Joe Corvo II – 25 games
    David Hale – 25 games
    Guillaume Latendresse – 27 games
    Benoit Pouliot – ??? games

    • Kumar

      With the exception of Pouliot, the rest are some of the quality free agent signing by Bryan. I hope Bryan correct all his awful signing with some quality players for 2014/15 season.

      • Andrews theory

        Pretty sure he signed MacArthur in there as well who may have been the best free agent signing last year.

        Filatov was a trade by the way and the other guys were signed at minimal prices to increase competition.

        • jimmyjohnson

          He also signed Gonchar, which was a good signing, and he made some fantastic non-signings…

        • Kumar

          Few good signing, but many were poor. Now you might disagree, but I don’t agree to his signing of washed up players. It is better to give a chance for our young guys to develop in NHL than dropping $2M or more washed up guys.

  • Sandy

    Chirp – I assume the Sens didn’t bother inquiring on Stastny?

    • Kumar

      Too pricey for Eugene

  • Kumar

    Chirp any idea of Havlat or Stempniak or Grabvoski or Jokinen.

  • Andrews theory

    Spezza needs to realize that given the cap there are limitations with what a team is willing to do to get him.

    If StLouis is his preferred destination, one would think he’d be interested in playing there again next season. In all honesty, if St Louis is prepared to extend him for a year at 7 million, I think it’s pretty foolish to turn that down,

    • SensChirp

      A one year deal? There’s no way

      • Andrews theory

        Really?

        It gives him two years with an elite team as the number one center at his current salary of 7 million.

        If he wants a shot at the cup, this is a pretty great opportunity.

        If he performs he can sign a retirement contract.

        What happens when Spezza’s back gives out part way through this year and he can’t get 7 million next season let alone a multi year deal

        • Sandy

          His salary is 4. His cap hit is 7.

          • Andrews theory

            Well his salary in year two in St. Louis would be 7 correct?

          • SensChirp

            A guy his age, with his health issues, faced with a chance to cash in on another long term deal is not going to take a one year deal.

          • Andrews theory

            He’s a pretty wealth guy…. how many chances at a cup do you get?

            Again, if he gets hurt this year, he’ll be lucky to get more than two years from anyone.

            Would he take it if St. Louis agreed to a two year extension?

          • zippy

            A chance? Noone is going to give him more than 2 years. Until they believe he doesn’t have serious health issues. I know I wouldn’t

          • whammer44

            If he’s worth $7M for one year why wouldn’t he try to max out what he can get now rather than defer it?

        • zippy

          Spezza has some serious thinking to do.
          If he doesn’t get traded and his back goes he’s f*cked.

          He will regret not accepting a 1 year extension

          • Andrews theory

            That’s what I think as well… This isn’t a Jason Spezza witch hunt on my part. I think this could work out best for all three sides potentially depending on Spezza’s health

          • peetypuck

            That’s a good point. Spezza will want to sign a new contract before October rolls around.

      • Jakester

        Teams want to see what brand of hockey he’ll bring next year. Don’t really blame them. We’ll see if Spezza will take the challenge.

      • Kumar

        Spezza will look for at least 4 year deal. May be at a cap hit of $6.5M

        • Andrews theory

          Then he’ll be looking a long time.

          Would you give him 4 years at 6.5?

          • Kumar

            Definitely. He is a proven scorer. We get him two good wingers, he will make them better. Hemsky clicked well with him. He was huge with Heatly and Alfie. Spezza need players who can read him well.

      • Phil.

        Agreed. makes no sense. He can get good $ with long term security after the 14-15 season.

      • CUP 2014-15

        That’s a strange request, could it have been, as long as he signs for at least one more year?

  • Brock

    In all honesty, I wouldn’t be opposed to bringing Havlat back for a year. If he can stay healthy, he could put up some solid numbers. If he can’t, let him walk at the end of the year. What would he be asking for salary? Seems like a low risk, high reward type deal.

    • whammer44

      it is Havlat so to say “if he can stay healthy” kind of ends the discussion there.

    • Kumar

      Since he is bought out player. He will come for a decent salary. I believe $2M would be a good starting point to negotiate. If he stays healthy, he can add value to our team.

  • Kumar

    I have a strong feeling that Spezza getting dealt to an eastern team. If Dallas and St. Louis wants to extend only an year, he will not be happy or may be not willing to sign with the team.
    Similarly, we may not the deal we want.

  • Pasky

    So if we sign Pouliot to a contract, this is our forward group without including a Spezza trade.

    MacArthur-Turris-Stone
    Pouliot-Zibanejad-Ryan
    Hoffman-Pageau-Condra
    Greening-Smith-Neil

    So assuming we get a forward in the trade, we’ll be carrying 13 forwards without including Lazar for his 9 game tryout, but based on their comments on Lazar being a RW, I think they want him as a winger with the big club this year. I hope they do another trade, maybe package a forward and a defenseman for a forward to make room for Ceci on the big club this year.

    • zippy

      Condra out Lazar in. (waive or trade Condra)

      • Andrews theory

        Beat me to it…absolutely

      • Pasky

        I agree with this, and I’ll assume this is the lineup if we would get Chiasson in the Spezza trade with Dallas, let me know if it looks better to the eyes lol

        MacArthur-Turris-Stone
        Ryan-Zibanejad-Chiasson
        Pouliot-Smith-Lazar
        Greening/Hoffman-Pageau-Neil

    • Jakester

      Can you replace wide shot Condra with Lazar in that lineup, would be easier on my eyes.

  • FistsofNeil25

    If the internal budget never existed:

    Hartnell – Spezza – Ryan
    MacArthur – Turris – Stone
    Pouliot – Zibanejad – Alfredsson
    Greening – Smith – Neil

    Methot – Karlsson
    Cowen – Niskanen
    Wierioch – Gryba/Ceci

    Anderson
    Lehner

    • Jakester

      Spezza is getting moved because his brand of hockey is detrimental not because of the money. He could be asking for 2 million a year and Coach MaCLean would still want him on the first plane to Vladivlostok!

      • Brock

        I thought he said that if we were unable to put together a winning hockey team, he’d look favourably towards a trade because he wouldn’t resign. We were unable to do this and that’s why he is being traded. He’s not getting traded because his play is “detrimental”. That is fucking insane. He is one of the best offensive players in the league and would be staying here if we were able to put top six players around him.

        • CUP 2014-15

          I agree with you 100% but I keep questioning why teams like the Blues and Arizona, who have the wingers and need a centre are not jumping all over him. It’s not cap space. So does it all change when Stash signs?

          • Sensnation

            15 teams were after Stastny. I think he’s that next domino.

          • CUP 2014-15

            It was reported earlier today that his agent has cut down the list, so hopefully those teams are already inching the price up.

          • Sensnation

            Agreed. Also if St. Louis misses out, they will be front runners for Spezza. Could still realistically turn into a small bidding war.

          • FistsofNeil25

            I still think any package St Louis sends our way will be very underwhelming.

          • Sensnation

            If 2-3 teams miss out on their plans A and possibly B, and Spezza is their only real plan left it will be all about who blinks first. St Louis has already proven they’ll pay for the guy they wanted in Miller, let’s just force them to do the same here.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Can you honestly see them parting with one of Oshie, Backes, Tarasenko, Schwartz or Shattenkirk? I can’t, unless we’re sending something of great value along with Spezza.

            They’re going to stick with their offer centered around Berglund + and if they have to increase the value for Ottawa they’ll just improve on whatever they add to Berglund.

          • Sensnation

            Honestly, no clue. I would hope a Tarasenko or Schwartz type player could be had from a Spezza deal, but it sounds like that will only be the case if teams start having to bid against each other at best.

          • PraiseAlfie11

            You REALLY believe Spezza isn’t worth shattenkirk?

            Stay away from the stock market. You overvalue everyone not on the sens and dramatically undervalue sens players.

          • FistsofNeil25

            No, I think that Spezza is work Shattenkirk easily. It just doesn’t make sense from a St Louis point of view to give up a part of their core if they’re trying to contend.

            I think Spezza is worth more than Shattenkirk, I just don’t think St Louis is at a point where they’re willing to create one hole just to fill another. They just got Gunnarson to play with Shattenkirk, they aren’t going to move him.

            There’s more to these deals than just looking at each players individual value.

          • KJ

            Yes, I agree on that point. When we see the Gagner shuffle we scratch our heads. Good luck predicting trades and relative value. When money can be traded now, it’s not just talent on par or close to par in a cap system. But I do believe Murray is going to get someone who he put on the ice to replace Spezza, a prospect, and maybe a later pick now in next years draft.

          • Brock

            I think it’s all bargaining. Trying to get the lowest possible price for the best possible player. If they can sign Stastny, without giving up a roster player, prospect, and a pick, they’d obviously do that. GM’s have all summer to make a move. They’re going to take their time. They know Murray needs to get rid of Spezza and are using that against him.

        • ProfessorPower

          Yes because BM told Spezza ‘no sorry, we don’t want to win here’ hahaha I think Ottawa wants to move Spezza but doesn’t want to say it..personally I can’t stand the way Spezza plays.

    • Sensnation

      TSN is saying Niskanen will get 6-7yr deal worth about 6.5 per year.

      • FistsofNeil25

        That’s craaaaaaazy. I was thinking he’d get around 5.5M per.

        • Sensnation

          Free agent season, is silly season. Grab a diamond in the rough or two and call it a day. Concentrate on the draft and the return for Spezza.

          • Aaron 2.0

            Wise words, I think!

      • Kumar

        Over pricing written all over here

    • Yukon Cornelius

      If Melnyk never never existed, fixed that for you.

      • KJ

        There would no Sens team if that were true

  • Sandy

    Retweeted by Steve Lloyd

    Renaud Lavoie @renlavoietva · 2h

    Paul Stastny and the Avalanche were not able to get a deal done. He’ll hit the market tomorrow. #tvasports

    Question is, where does he end up?

    • Sensnation

      Damn! I’d put my money on St. Louis or whoever offered the most.

      Does this mean Colorado might come knocking about Spezza again?

      • Shibal

        Actually, Colorado can always put Mackinnon into the center position. They actually really don’t need Spezza.

        • Magnus Nor

          Sssh dude!! Dont give Colorado ideas for free!

        • Sensnation

          I thought that as well, but they’ve been looking for Cs in all the rumors.

      • Sandy

        Read the Lebrun article I copied above. St Louis may offer the money but Lebrun said they would only go about 3-4 years term.

        • Sensnation

          He said the same thing on TSN tonight as well. St Louis would really be about if he wants to go home and have a chance at a cup imo.

          • Sandy

            He will be the prize of the UFAs this offseason. Will Colorado match any of the offers if given a chance?

    • SensChirp

      One thing you can be certain of- the Colorado Avalanche will be making a call on Spezza

      • Kumar

        True ???
        At what cost ?

      • Sandy

        Wouldn’t Briere just fill in a centre position. Do they really need Spezza?

        • PraiseAlfie11

          Briere is no where close to as talented as Spezza.

          Seriously…you’re really down on everything to do with this team. When is the last time you had anything positive to say?

          • Deadly

            PraiseAlfie gets a red card….

          • Sandy

            It was a question, it was a negative thing at all. If you’ve been reading some of my comments today – some are positives, not all negative.
            I’m not saying Briere is as talented as Spezza, but maybe they use Briere on the 4th line and move up their other centres.

          • FistsofNeil25

            I think Briere has played a lot more wing the last few seasons than center. Pretty sure that’s how Colorado will line him up. They already have an abundance of natural centers even without Stastny. Duchene, O’Reilly, MacKinnon, Talbot, and Mitchell. There’s no such thing as having too many natural centers.

          • peetypuck

            Sandy is neither too positive or negative. She just tells it like she sees it. Nothing wrong with that.

        • Jakester

          Briere is finished.

    • Kumar

      He has to uproot his family. He and his family are well settled in Denver. I believe he will be retained by Colorado.

      Failing which he will be given a juicy contract by Dallas.

  • Sandy
  • Sandy

    Travis Yost @TravisHeHateMe · 41m

    One team with a ton of cap space should just sign Pouliot/Grabovski/Kulemin tomorrow and call it a fucking day.

    • Sensnation

      Is that the All-Corsi line?

      • FistsofNeil25

        Yup. Mac-Turris-Ryan, Pouliot-Grabo-Kulemin, Hoffman-Zibanejad-Condra. That’s probably Yost’s all-corsi team.

        • Sensnation

          As boring as it would be to watch 2-1 and 3-2 hockey all year, it can make the playoffs.

        • Jakester

          Condra…… Man can we take him up to the Boreal forest with a faulty Compass and leave him there!

          • Aaron 2.0

            I feel like Condra would make it back no problem!

  • Jakester

    Stastny looking like he’s available, C’mon Colorado give Murray a call.

    • FistsofNeil25

      What do they have to offer bud?

      • Sensnation

        Rights to Statsny, that we then flip to St Louis for Berglund, who we can’t seem to get rid of.

      • Jakester

        Truthfully they aren’t a good match but the more suitors the better.

        • FistsofNeil25

          Agreed.

          • Jakester

            I think Tampa and St Louis are the best match if only Armstrong would break! Murray not the best bluffer.

  • Sensnation

    Who’s tonight’s Tampa Bay? Let’s see some action! ;)

  • CaMo

    Josh Georges just added Ottawa to the list of teams he’d be willing to go to. Funny how he’ ok with coming here but his excuse for not wanting to be a Leaf was they were a division rival. He probably just wants to play with Karlsson but honestly he wouldn’t be a bad pick up.

    • FistsofNeil25

      Link?

      • CaMo

        Twitter @HockeyyInsiderr , This guy is usually right on the ball. Based out of Montreal aswell.

      • SensChirp

        Ya I don’t see this either. Heard Vancouver and Calgary were the teams he added

        • Jakester

          Good.

        • FistsofNeil25

          Yeah I don’t think that hockey insider guy is actually a credible source.

          • CaMo

            From the last couple years I’ve followed him he’s been pretty credible. Or at least, he’s a good guesser lol. Either way he’s better than Eklund

    • Jakester

      No way to Gorges, let’s not pick up other teams crappy D men with bad contracts! 4 million a year for a guy who’s so banged up, all he does is block shots.

      • FistsofNeil25

        That’s not a bad contract. 3.9M for a top four dman is a bargain. Gorges is a good player. If he didn’t have so many hard miles on him I’d actually be interested but I don’t think he’s a good fit with where our team is at right now.

        He’d be a better fit on a team that’s close to contending. I really like Gorges game, especially come playoff time. He’s a warrior.

        • Jakester

          He’s not a top 4, he’s 5-6 with lots of mileage going to break down soon, and I can’t stand that fake deep voice he puts on for interviews.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Well I guess that’s just a matter of opinion. He’s a top four defenseman on almost every team in the NHL. He’s looked pretty damn good as Subban’s wingman. He averaged over 21 minutes this season and over 23 minutes in the playoffs. He’s a good hockey player.

          • Jakester

            Let our guys play, get rid of the forwards who don’t Backcheck and you’ll see things will look better. D has to be played by all 5 guys on the ice. That wasn’t happening last year.

          • FistsofNeil25

            I agree but that doesn’t change the fact that we only have two proven top four defenseman.

          • Jakester

            We’ll be getting another good one soon, I would move Cowen, his little hold out and his uninspiring play should get him jettisoned to another team. Package Seinfeld puss.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Not going to happen though.

          • Jakester

            Not so sure, they scratched him at the end of the year and we played better, have a feeling he could be moved. I expect some moves tomorrow or in the coming days.

          • FistsofNeil25

            From the sounds of it lately you’re expected half the roster to be replaced this summer lol Spezza, Michalek, Hemsky, Cowen, Greening, Condra, Neil. Am I missing anyone?

          • runningbear1974

            forgot Phillips…

          • Jakester

            Good one!

          • Jakester

            Who would you keep of those guys Bud? Tons of bodies need to be promoted and whoever we expect to get in the Spezza trade can’t be sent midget AAA.

          • FistsofNeil25

            It’s not about who I would keep. There’s a lot of things I’d do to this roster if I could just like everyone else. Murray just isn’t going to turn over half the roster though. Cowen, Greening, Condra, Neil, Phillips and Smith are likely all here to stay for at least another year.

        • runningbear1974

          He makes critically dumb decisions like Phillips… I

      • CaMo

        He’s better than half our guys on D.

        • Jakester

          Some of our guys have upside whereas Gorges all downside now. Habs would keep him don’t u think?

          • CaMo

            I just find it interesting. I would rather have Georges out there than Phillips, Gryba, Boro, and last years version of PW and Cowen. Lets hope you’re right and those guys keep improving. Ceci is the only young no doubter for me

        • runningbear1974

          don’t agree… only better than cowen and phillips…

          • FistsofNeil25

            He’s currently a better defenseman than anyone on the Sens not named Methot or Karlsson.

          • Jakester

            Condra has a harder shot than Gorges, he’s beat up. Bergevin knows it’s time, don’t forget he was a D-man in this league too.

          • CaMo

            The guy blocks a ton of shots and is defensively sound. I’m not lobbying to get him so he can score goals.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Yes, he will be declining soon. I already mentioned above that I’m not actually interested in him joining the Sens. I was just stating that he’s still better than everyone we have except for Karlsson and Methot.

          • Aaron 2.0

            Agree. Gorges might even give Methot a run for his money, IMO. Methot has had one great year here, but looked just okay last year (which I guess last year is probably pretty good). Hope he bounces back. Still easily the 2nd best D on our team right now.

    • Sandy

      Gee, if Murray went for that would really piss off some Leaf fans.
      It would be worth going over the budget just to do that.
      He’s 29 so still good years ahead of him. Question is, what D do the Sens unload to bring him in?
      I read he added Vancouver to his list which makes sense as he is from there, but adding Ottawa — I’m just curious why? He must like the City or the players on the team.
      Problem is it would probably be a pretty hefty price to pay to get him for a divisional rival.

      • Jakester

        4 million a year, no way Murray does that, it would clog up our D.

        • Sandy

          The Leafs were hard after this guy. He refused to go even with Shanahan trying to convince him to.

          • Jakester

            Leafs going hard on someone should be a sign to stay away don’t ya think?

    • Sandy

      Looking at Montreal’s cap geek they have 17M cap room with about 3 players to sign, including PK. Odd they are trying to get rid of him.

      • Jakester

        They want to upgrade their D and make room for two of their young D. They need to bolster their forwards.

        • Sandy

          Makes sense.

    • Cactus Face Elmer

      We’d all lie to play with EK65

  • jtf927

    looks like it is coming down to spezza vs stastny. really hoping for some big things tomorrow, this is getting damn exciting. it’s awesome being a sens fan!

    • Magnus Nor

      We´ll find out if its awesome to be a sens fan right now or not..

      • jtf927

        never hurts to have positive thoughts going into something…we are the fans of this team it’s our job to support them.

        • Magnus Nor

          Ur right but i´d like to get some support also! :D

          • Jakester

            How much money do you need buddy, I’ll cut you a check!

          • Magnus Nor

            I´d settle with a Energy drink or just Mcdonalds.

          • jtf927

            i agree with you man. positive attitude + the right results.

          • Magnus Nor

            05.33 AM here in Sweden.. This stuff makes offseason quite interesting but I can´t get to bed early enough while this is going on!
            Please lets me sleep, every little bit of info eats up litteraly hours of my day.. :P

    • Sandy

      I guess for Stastny, it’s what do I do. Stay where I like playing. A young team that will be good for a long time.
      Or go for about 2M more than they are offering me in Colorado.

      • KJ

        Better for the agent if he takes more $$ with St. Louis :)
        Comes down to what he wants more. He is from St. Louis too.

  • Sandy

    Darren Dreger @DarrenDreger · 1m

    If the Leafs and Bolland are going to get something done, it will happpen at the 11th hr. However, looks like Bolland is going to market.

    Will some team pay him about 5M for long term?

    • Jakester

      Let the Laughs hang themselves on another one! Haha

    • FistsofNeil25

      I actually like Bolland as a third line center, but not at 5M per long term. He’s probably worth a shade over 3M on a 3 or 4 year deal. I would be surprised if any team gave him 7-8 years @ 4.5-5M per.

  • SensChirp

    Wish list for tomorrow…
    -Pouliot on a 3 year deal at around 3 mil a season
    -Havlat on a one year deal at 2.0-2.5
    -Spezza dealt for a package that includes a defenceman that can fit in the top four.

    • Sandy

      What about Milan? He said he wants 4 forwards. Milan would make 3 plus 1 in a Spezza return.

    • CaMo

      Would be nice to see Marty back in a Sens jersey.

    • FistsofNeil25

      Why Havlat though?

      • CaMo

        He has his moments. Havlat > Milan Michalek

        • jasonontheoldsenschirp

          At this point, Milan’s better.

          • SensChirp

            Michalek will get term though. And more money. I’d rather a low risk option like Havlat, I think

          • ProfessorPower

            Havlat is the opposite of low risk. Wtf are you talking about today lol Although, I 100% agree on it being cool to have him back on Ottawa, but we should spend our money wisely and not on injury prone players past 33.

        • Sandy

          Murray wants 4 forwards. Pouliot, Havlat, Milan & the return for Spezza.

      • SensChirp

        Like Havlat as a low risk option. If he can stay healthy, he can still produce. Plus he’s one of my all time favourites. Would be cool to see him back in Ottawa. I admit that last part is a big reason why he’s on my wish list.

    • Jakester

      Why Havlat? Let’s just move a D man for a young forward who can play right now!

      • SensChirp

        Not sure such a deal exists

        • Jakester

          I’ve said it before Tampa needs D , Cowen for Connolly, that kid is going to explode this year! Big can skate, great shot and physical. Has all the tools. Guy Lafleur took a few years to blossom this guy has similar attributes, would be like the turris steal.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Connolly could be a late bloomer but he’s hardly a physical player. The knock on Connolly going all the way back to junior was his lack of physicality and strength.

          • jimmyjohnson

            that hand…

          • Jakester

            He lays the body pretty good. EJ McGuire compared him at the draft to Peter Forsberg. Saw him score and end to end goal against Bingo last year, made Boro look like a pylon sorry to say.

    • Kumar

      What happens to our excess D crop?

      • SensChirp

        I think one would have to go with Spezza. But ya, they can’t bring in another D without sending one out.

        • Kumar

          Any names in mind that might be heading with Spezza ?

          The problem is every team has to work within $69M cap hit. St. Louis are stacked with D, this leaves us with Dallas and Colorado. If Colorado loses in Stastny, then Spezza and one of our D can be moved.

          • Sandy

            I wonder if Colorado brings back Andre Benoit. He had a decent season with them.

          • Brutus5247

            At some point you go with your youth, He played on a very good team…might account for some of the looking good.

          • ProfessorPower

            Spezza + Wiercioch for ROR + 2015 1st/2nd (conditional)

            overpay for ROR so we can just get a good player in return. All we need is one guy, one guy that can truly play top 6 LW. Since Colorado seems to be losing Stastny, there is a chance they will consider it.

      • CaMo

        Deal sweeteners

    • Sandy

      Loved Marty when he was here. If he does get injured — Puempel will get his chance.

    • Jakester

      Here’s my wish list

      No problem with Pouliot
      Cowen straight up for Brett Connolly
      Spezza for a Left hand D who isn’t a pylon plus a young forward(big) who can play right away.

      MaC-TUrris-Ryan
      Pouliot-Zibby-Connolly
      Hoffman-Pageau-Lazar
      Greening-Smith-Stone
      Neil
      And we have’t even added in what Spezza yields, could be good.

      • zippy

        I think I prefer Connolly to Havlat too.

    • jasonontheoldsenschirp

      I don’t like taking a chance of Havlat. He’s not the same player.

    • Mat

      My wish list:

      - Legit top 6 winger (either via trade or UFA i.e.Vrbata)
      - Legit 2nd line C (via Jason Spezza trade) + Good young prospect.
      - Ship out 1 or 2 of our current D and land a legit Top 4 D
      - No more Michalek. And definitely no Havlat.

      • ProfessorPower

        this makes sense.

    • Sensnation

      Are you thinking Shattenkirk and Daley, or are there others of interest from the teams in the mix?

    • ProfessorPower

      Havlat..fuck some of you people want a soft ass team not built for playoff hockey.

      • Cactus Face Elmer

        “some of us people” want to be IN the playoffs again

        • ProfessorPower

          You need players who can play a full season to do so.

    • Dirtysweetness

      Oleksiak, Dillon with a sprinkle of Ritchie and Chaission for
      Spezza, Pageau/Greening and Anderson (as a backup 60/40 split)

  • Sandy

    For those of you that didn’t see CTV News tonight, he is the Curtis Lazar clip.

    http://t.co/FRFOM5OyOT

    • Jakester

      Gotta love that kid!

    • FistsofNeil25

      “If he plays his cards right he could own this city”

      No pressure Curtis!

    • Cactus Face Elmer

      GOOD LORD – he still has pimples – my new favourite player

      • zippy

        Yeah I noticed that too. Hey you…Curtis…ever kissed a girl?
        – William Shatner

  • jasonontheoldsenschirp

    I’ve been a fan of Benoit Pouliot’s game over the past couple seasons. Doesn’t stack up the stats, but he can play. Good forechecker, and has an underrated shot.

    I’m open to him as an addition, but the Sens will need at least another winger to be competitive next season. Looking forward to tomorrow!

  • Floridasensfan

    We are 2 to 3 seasons away from contending, Ryan MacArthur Zibby Pageau Stone all need to be extended, add a possible Methot Anderson and thats a lot of cash.
    We need 3 years to develop our talent minimum.
    Keeping our costs down this year to have room to extend everyone makes sense.
    Cap teams are screwed if they want to add, buyouts after buyouts.
    Second year in a row, not exactly smart.

  • laffin681021

    Happy July 1st! Any guesses on the first big move? Both in the league and with the Sens?

    • jumpsteady

      Verbrata

  • jumpsteady

    Just a thought why not move EK to the wing and kill two birds with one stone?

    • Magnus Nor

      Maybe thats the plan and explains why we have 8D and 7 on 1-way!

      • jumpsteady

        we are heavy on d and need scoring help, lets face it no one expects erik to play solid “d”

    • Cactus Face Elmer

      And Lehner will take his D-Man spot ?

      • aegiszx

        So, why could Big Buff do it? You really think Karl cant move to wing?

        • zippy

          it is an interesting proposition. Get him to move in a take over, not just D. Until Buff did it, I didn’t think it was possible.

          • aegiszx

            Brent Burns seems to be shifting back and forth between F and D… Jonathan Ericsson on the Wings used to play F but now is on D…

        • ProfessorPower

          I think Karl can play anywhere, I also think Karl would be the best at D out of all positions. I think he may be so good at D that he can win a Norris Trophy by doing it.. in fact, if he won that trophy, it would mean he was/is the best D-man in the league…and if he was/is the best D-man in the league, I would seriously consider keeping him on Defense lol

          • jumpsteady

            did he win the Norris because of his plus 16 rating or because of his 78 pts? Last year he went minius 15 with 74 pts, I think offence might be his strength

          • ProfessorPower

            and where did all of his offence come from?..the mother fucking blue-line! give it up.

            Wo! I think I just made something up..ill call it an Offensive Defenseman….man I’m gonna be rich.

    • Daybreak Maidenhead

      Mark Stone will not be killing anyone.

      • zippy

        you crack me up!!! I needed that laugh. Thanks Daybreak

      • jumpsteady

        well played…

    • Brutus5247

      OOH, he’d get killed in the corners in the offensive zone.He’d have a big target on his back. He plays very soft enough in the d zone when he makes the hits.

      • jumpsteady

        Fast, small and great hands, big shot, Alfie started on “D”

        • Brutus5247

          D is the safer game because he more or less CONTROLS the contact.

          • jumpsteady

            if he is going to be our franchise player we need him to control the game, the bobby orr debate has been going on for thirty years. I think the small, speedy, goal scoring defence man might make a good/great winger

    • Doc

      Same reason you wouldn’t move Condra on D.

  • Gordon Ramsli

    If we are to sign Pouliot, I assume he will be Greening’s replacement? If not I have no interest.

  • Brutus5247

    Each team is limited to 50 contracts, basically half play NHL half AHL or less. Why in the world would a team take our bottom dmen on a trade for one player? They eat up two contract spaces, receive C grade players and give us a B or better player back. I’m NO GM but they would have to be pretty stupid. Realistically of some of the dmen who are on RFA contracts they can be bout out for 1/3 where a UFA is 2/3(I think).

  • Spoons

    Prediction: Spezza gets traded 45 minutes after Stastny signs

    • jumpsteady

      Spezza is an 80+ point getter and a top line center. Murray is Right in demanding top dollar, Stastny is a second line guy.

  • sprucesens

    i still think it’s down to dallas/st. louis with colorado and tampa being the dark horses. Of course circling back to nashville is still possible but unlikely. I’m hoping stastny resigns in colorado. Then murray talks to nashville to make sure a good deal is still on the table, then convinces spezza its the only deal i’m willing to accept, do you waive? Then assuming he waives, calls both dallas and st. louis. ” I have a deal with nashville that i’m going to accept, that jason has said ok to. You have 30 minutes to ante up with the player’s i’ve asked for, in a counter offer, or the deal is done. First to ante up get’s him, as spezza would prefer to play for your team.” From st. louis he wants shwartz or oshie, from dallas its nichushkin. (obvioiusly with different extra pieces moving)

    • jumpsteady

      I don’t think teams are offering big pieces like that, they see Murray as desperate

      • sprucesens

        yeah, but something good has to be coming back. I can see a no to oshie, but if i’m murray, its asking for one of these players or its not happening. If we each have to add a player or pick to balance the value, then so be it. What if shwartz doesn’t produce the same again? Its got to be a young player with HIGH upside to get a proven PPG center for 11 years in the NHL. My bet is we see a contract to stastny, a contract to spezza that whatever team wants him, wants, then a spezza trade, with a surprisingly good name coming back. I think we are just so doom and gloom lately that we assume we’re getting scraps

        • jumpsteady

          I agree with you on the doom and gloom, Spezza has gotten very little attention from other teams, he has 100 pt potential and is great in the circle we should get big return, I’m not sure how Kesler went first. I think murray knows the value and is willing to wait!

          • sprucesens

            yeah, i think we are just so used to bad news and terrible happenings, its just expected now. When murray says he won’t get fair value and will lose the deal, its mostly to appease the casual fans, that will be like “we got who and who?” whereas the type of people like us that frequent hockey sites will be ecstatic with the top prospects we get back. I always refer to recent trades that had star players, and the types of things we would offer to land them. Nash, our rumoured offer was zibanejad, Lehner, 1st. We landed ryan with silf, noeson, 1st. Nash went with a mid pick and low level roster player, for dubinsky, anisimov, 1st, erixon. Loui Ericsson + went for Seguin +. There is always TOP young players moving for proven talent. I think we’ll be satisfied with the return

    • sprucesens

      i feel that st. louis could offer the more established player, if they feel they can bring up rattie or jaskin to fill in the wing position vacated by the loss of shwartz. Dallas its a little more difficult. But at the same time, chiasson has produced the same as Nich with less talented players, so maybe the feel they can part with him if that’s what it takes to get spezza

  • Doc

    I’m pretty sure that Stastny is going to St-Louis, so who’s the preferred trading partner for Spezza now? Can’t see Colorado parting ways with any of the young stars they have on their roster, so does that leave New-York and Dallas?

    • sprucesens

      Dallas, tampa, nashville?

      • jumpsteady

        Maybe a top pic in 2015?

        • sprucesens

          add chicago too, although i really can’t see it, unless they offer tervainen, which makes no sense, as they need cap space, not taking it on

    • sprucesens

      can’t really see new york. It would be tough for them to make a good enough deal without breaking up enough pieces of their core to get it done. And they don’t have much in terms of top prospects.

      edit: i assume you mean rangers

    • ProfessorPower

      Ya the only way I can see Colorado moving a guy like ROR is if negotiations go completely sour. Arbitration already minimizes his contract length to one-two years…here’s to hoping that pisses him off lol

      • Doc

        No kidding…

        • ProfessorPower

          I have the same feeling that Stastny is going to STL. This could get interesting, either it forces Spezza to allow a move to a team on his no trade list or it leaves BM with one, maybe two trade options.

  • Spoons

    Lets make it a game; predict 1 team where Spezza will end up that is not DAL/STL/CHI/NAS

    • jumpsteady

      I’m game, SJS!

    • Spoons

      Carolina

      • jumpsteady

        Eric Stall?

        • Spoons

          1-for-1 trade

          • jumpsteady

            Whats Stalls contract ?

          • Spoons

            8.5M… Melnyk would have to give in

          • jumpsteady

            term?

    • sprucesens

      TAMPA

      • jumpsteady

        They have made room for a big money deal!

        • Spoons

          Yep. Something`s happening in Tampa tomorrow.

          • jumpsteady

            I’m pretty sure Stevie “Y” has dirt on most of the GM’s in the league

          • jumpsteady

            Ask Glen Sather

    • Doc

      STL.

      Damn it! I suck at this…

    • jtf927

      chicago. the hawks trade away sharp and and a few defenceman.

    • Sensnation

      NY Rangers

    • The Apostle

      lakers

      • Mat

        Of course, it will depend on where LeBron goes. I’m hearing he might sign in St-Louis…

    • SensChirp

      Colorado

    • GeeGee1313

      Tampa

    • Magnus Nor

      NY Rangers

  • Kielbasa

    Woohooo…eyeing Pouliot…Another 3rd liner for Ottawa. That’s what this team needs.

    This is such a frustrating summer as we witness another failing off-season unfold.

    The Spezza fiasco has turned into Heatley 2.0. And as much as I respect Murray, if we do not get a franchise player to replace what Spezza had brought to this team, it is time for him to hang his hat and call it a career.

    • SensChirp

      Pouliot would be a good solid signing for a team that stands to lose 3 forwards. Affordable and quite underrated.
      Not an “impact” signing but a useful player.

      • Magnus Nor

        Really hope he´ll gel great/good with a line! :P

      • Pasky

        This years MacArthur signing for this team. Hopefully he can have the same impact by adding some depth scoring to our lineup.

    • Frankie Fives

      So it’s Murray’s fault Melnyk has a budget? Wow…

    • Pugnacious Serf

      You know, Clake MacArthur was playing third line minutes when he can to Ottawa. Pouliot is the big kind of body Ottawa needs, and can put the puck in the net. A little more ice time and he’s an easy replacement for Michalek.

  • Mat

    Merry Christm…, Happy Canada Day eh?

    Make us happy Murray!

    • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

      I think at this point I would settle for

      Don’t piss us off TOO much Murray

  • Chaps

    Here’s my wishlist…

    -Sign Pouliot, same contract as Chirp suggested – 3yr, 3M per.
    -Sign Jussi Jokinen, 3yr, 3.5-4M per. Prefer him to Havlat, still putting up better numbers (57 pts last year) and less injury prone.
    -Get the Spezza trade done…won’t even speculate on the return, but still looks like Dallas and St. Louis are interested so something could happen with one of those teams.
    -Trade for Josh Gorges. He nixed a trade to TO last night and I saw some tweets afterwards that Ottawa and Vancouver were the two teams he’d accept a trade to. Maybe we could do a Q4Q trade and bundle up a couple of our excess Dmen (Wiercioch and Gryba?) for him. I think Gorges would really solidify our top 4. Plus like Pouliot, it looks like he WANTS to be here.

    Aaand after all that, the icing on the cake would be extension news for any or all of Ryan, Mac and Methot. Remember, Dorion had said in one interview a couple weeks ago that he expected the Sens would be very busy on July 1 so you never know!!

    • Pasky

      I wouldn’t mind Gorges but he’s another left hand shot. Which two defenders would you want to trade away? Weircioch is probably one, but for the 2nd one do we trade away Cowen or Methot? Forget Phillips as he isn’t going anywhere.

      Maybe we can do a 1 for 1 between Gorges and Methot if he has no interest of signing an extension with us, then package Weircioch with Spezza if we send him to Dallas as they can use a couple bodies in the back end anyways.

      • runningbear1974

        this is bad… Methot is a much greater player than Gorges… Gorges is dumb makes bad choices, he’s one of the liabilities on a team… How come people don’t recognize that?

        • Brutus5247

          Because many people just see CHANGE as good and don’t really look at the intangibles.

      • WaitingSince92

        I’ll take methot over gorges any day.

    • Mat

      Personally, if we are trading Wiercioch, I’m hoping it’s for something better than Gorges. Either alone or to up the Jason Spezza return. Otherwise, I’d prefer keeping him.

  • Andrews theory

    I would assume a Spezza deal to Colorado had Parenteau as one of the pieces coming back. Not sure what they’d sub him with now if they went after Spezza

    Clearly not getting one of their big guns.

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