Sens Snap Losing Streak in Tampa- Highlights

SensChirp March 25, 2014 240
Sens Snap Losing Streak in Tampa- Highlights

-With last night’s goal (his 20th of the season) , Karlsson set a new franchise record for goals by a defenceman. Remember this is a season experts have called an off year for EK65. Karlsson isn’t getting much recognition in the Norris race this season and a lot of that has to do with playing on a struggling team. With 11 games left, there is an outside chance Karlsson actually ends up matching his point total from that Norris Trophy  season.

-Had to feel good for Robin Lehner after he stopped Stamkos to seal the win for Ottawa. This has been a rough stretch for him but after a solid performance against Dallas, Lehner was good again in this one.  That loss in Montreal a couple Saturday ago was devastating for the team and for Lehner especially.  With Anderson out with an injury, this was a stretch of games where Lehner was really hoping to take the ball and run with it. You could tell this was a big win for him personally.

-With the season winding down and the playoffs pretty much out of reach, the Senators have to find something to play for down the stretch.  Here’s one some fans might enjoy- catching the Toronto Maple Leafs.  9 points back with two games in hand and a head to head game in April. May seem far fetched but it’s important to factor in that the Leafs may never win again. I’ll give Ottawa the edge in the race for 11th place.

-I used to feel bad when I complained about officiating but it has got to the point when everyone is complaining. And that tells you the league may have a problem that needs to be addressed. That tripping call on Erik Karlsson was certainly in the Top 5 worst calls I’ve seen all season. It’s a fast game and things are going to get missed but this play happened in slow motion. Clearly a hip check and nothing more. Paul MacLean said the officials apologized to him after the game.

-The organization has always called Mark Stone the model prospect.  A late pick, Stone has shown exactly what can happen with hard work and a commitment to improving certain areas of his game.  The team and the staff in Binghamton have worked with Stone on his skating over the past couple seasons and it seems like there is a noticeable improvement each time he gets called up.  There is no doubting his hockey sense (see his pass to Turris on the third Ottawa goal) and now with his skating steadily improving, he is going to be a good player in this league.

  • senskarlsson57

    Fun game to watch, and really great to see the Sens vs. Bishop losing streak come to an end! Would be amazing if the Sens could catch the leafs, lol…would be (almost) be worth the pain that this season has been! Go Sens Go again tonight :D And I would really appreciate it if some of the SensChirp faithful gave a follow to my new sens related twitter account @sensofhumour1

    • FBP

      Do you guarantee hilarity?

      • senskarlsson57

        I try my best to…lol. Lots of it is at the expense of Phillips though haha

    • Mark

      Done. Following you now.

      @MarkMarkus2222

    • karlssens

      Really gunning hard for followers eh lol?!

  • Max Power

    Chirp, you da man… thank you for the mouse pad

    • SensChirp

      For the what?

      • ChronicallyInjured

        the mouse pad.

        • SensChirp

          Did I give away a mouse pad?

  • Mark

    I was worried at the trade deadline that Murray was going to trade Stone to Buffalo as part of a package for Moulson. I’m glad Murray kept him. He works hard and he’s an excellent passer. I think he will become a good player for us.

  • spicy

    nice to read … beside catching the leafs their should be something else to play for
    and that will be not giving the ducks top 10 pick

  • Colin

    Very pleased to see Lehner stop all shootout attempts. His reaction was priceless.

  • MethotToMyMadness

    OMG WE WON!!!!!! Loved Lehner’s butt end of the stick, pounding on the ice. That moment told the Entire Story.

  • thirstytraveller

    Congrats to Karlsson in establishing a new Senators record!
    He seems to be rounding out his game and even throwing hits! For whatever reason hip checks on someone with puck possession are now illegal and result in tripping penaties. I wouldn’t of shown the same restraint to the refs as Karlsson did. I would have gone Michael Bradley on the official!!!!

  • Dirk-Diggler

    Lehner, glad he got the win. He deserved it and I am truly happy for the big guy. Everytime he talks to the media I like him more and more. He provides a refreshing and honest opinion of what went on during the game and doesn’t hide when he loses. I’d be happy to get his jersey.

    I hope it’s clear to BM that we need a guy to play with Karlsson. Next year I’d like Ceci in the AHL, he’s still a kid and needs to grow. I don’t want to ruin him. Karlsson is a true #1 there is no debating that. Methot is a great #4 on a good team. Cowen and Wiercioch should be our #5-#6 guys next season. That leaves two holes. We need a PMD for the 2nd pairing (Boyle signed on a 2 year deal at $6M per) and a 1st line guy that can skate with Karlsson (Ehrhoff).

    Ehrhoff-Karlsson
    Methot-Boyle
    Cowen-Weircioch
    Phillips/Boro/Classen

    This means we’d be getting rid of Gryba (dime a dozen guy) and in a perfect scenario Phillips.

    • Tooks

      IF we could get those guys that would be amazing, doubt they come to Ottawa tho with the mess the Org is in.

    • Tooks

      And where is Ceci?

      • Dirk-Diggler

        Bingo… he needs another year down there… also, read the whole post. It’s in there :)

  • WolfInSheepsClothes

    BELIEVE

  • The Apostle

    An accusation often levelled at the Senators is that they don’t care. I’ve never really bought into the idea that an elite sportsman or team is OK with losing as long as the cheques keep rolling in, but it’s an easy thing to throw around when you can’t think of anything more intelligent to say.

    Watch the end of the game last night and try and convince anybody that Lehner doesn’t care or that the team didn’t know exactly what he was going through. The look on Neil’s face said it all – i think from the bench to Lehner might be the fastest I’ve ever seen Neil skate. He got there at pace.

    To me this says that knew how much that moment meant to Lehner and there’s a tacit admission on their part that they know that whilst he’s been taking the majority of the criticism, the team have been leaving the guy out to dry.

    There is still a decent core for next season and with one or two tweeks we could again be safely considered prime plaoff contenders. However, part of me thinks we are in for an off season of change – on the playing staff and with the assistant coaches.

    • Miguel

      great post,
      and completely agree on the hug gorilla off Lehner’s back.
      If you saw the game, and the moment before the shootout, where Lehner was alone and seemingly meditating before in complete concentration, you could feel how badly he wanted this one.
      Almost like he knew that this may be the last game in a while for him, and this last run of losses has cost the team the playoffs, and to lose last night and sit out the next few games would have been very painful for him.
      That win meant a hell of a lot to him and his future, and ultimately the Sens future.

  • MB

    Biggest question after that great win is will Lehner get another start tonight? If he does that’s the end of Anderson in Ottawa for the simple fact that it would be an absolute insult to him if he doesn’t get at least a start especially against his old team, friends, and family. It will also show that Lehner has earned the right to call himself Ottawa’s #1 by working through all the problems the Sens were having and himself with hard work and determination.

    • spicy

      lehner played great last two games .. but still didnt earn the #1 goalie
      anderson is coming back from injury .. he might not be fit enough to be starter
      any goalie play tonight wont make issue
      if lehner he is coming from a win and another game will benefit his confidence
      if anderson he is our #1 goalie this season and it is back to back games and lehner should rest

      there wont be any question mark for the goalie choice for tonight game

      • MB

        One, anyone making any kind of guess on who is starting tonight is at best guessing because no one has got it right this year. MacLean has absolutely thrown people based on his goaltending decisions all season long.

        As for Anderson’s injury, well like people have mentioned it’s a questionable injury according to some and if it is true and he won’t battle for him team and play when even a little unhealthy then you lose the respect of that team. He did it in Colorado and now the question is if he is doing it in Ottawa. He’s injured at least once a year and if he refuses to play with discomfort of any kind then how can a team depend on him to be there when it matters?

        Last year all we heard about was how Anderson will be ready in 2 weeks for 8 weeks. Now sprains are a tricky thing and for a goalie that’s a serious injury but how much was pain vs mental readyness and the will to play through some discomfort? With the goaltending Ottawa was getting from Bishop and Lehner last year it was easy to over look but this year when things went south he doesn’t seem to be in a hurry to get back in there either.

        If he starts tonight then all I said is pretty much pointless, there won’t be a story and this kind of stuff will be overlooked. If Lehner gets the call against Anderson’s old team and Anderson can’t play in front of his family and friends after Lehner played the night before, IMO that signals the end for Anderson in Ottawa and I would bet Lehner gets the majority of the starts the rest of the way, thus my conclusion of Lehner now being the #1 in Ottawa.

        • The Apostle

          If Anderson is fully healthy, he’ll start tonight.

          • MB

            Like I said, we’ll see. He said he was ready to play yesterday as well. If Lehner starts he’s getting the nod the rest of the way for better or worse.

          • Tooks

            Anderson should have been traded at the deadline, now we will get close to nothing for him in the off season.

            If Lehner plays it doesnt mean much, why play a guy who wont be here for much longer and we’re not in a race for the playoffs.

            Play Lehner and try and get him his confidence back.

          • MB

            Lehner seems to be rebounding fairly well and has worked his way through the struggles and problems in front of him which IMO has probably earned him a lot of respect in that organization.

            As for Anderson, w/e, won’t speculate on the past as there’s no point. The only thing I am suggesting is that if Lehner does indeed get the start tonight that’s a direct insult to Anderson so Lehner playing does mean a lot in that sense. It will be a clear message to the players, to Lehner, and to Anderson. This message may have even come from above MacLean.

            That said if Anderson does start tonight then everything I said is pointless and I have no idea what they do with him in the offseason.

          • Zelle

            I honestly think that if it is up to Maclean he will play Lehner. This whole ‘Andy is our #1 goalie’ schtick always sounded like management talk to me.

          • MB

            I think it’s the other way around, MacLean loves his vets but who knows. Lehner is also Murray’s draft pick and he chose Lehner over Bishop so I don’t think Murray has an issue with MacLean playing him but I really don’t know about how the goalie decision is being made right now.

        • spicy

          MB …. goalie is PM decision not lehner or anderson
          all i want is 2 goalie playing great
          anderson is counting down his days with ottawa and lehner is the future
          if it is gonna be last season for anderson then i prefer lehner playing all 11 games left

      • Senators Pundit

        Well at least a good ol fashioned goalie controversy will give us something to argue about in the offseason.

  • karlssens

    Did you guys see how people on twitter are basically assaulting Reimers gf on twitter about James’ play? It’s disgusting.

    • Zelle

      The news has been all over it. His wife responded with poise and dignity though, good on her. Shame some people resort to this kind of behavior. I like Reimer, and I hope he gets out of Toronto asap.

    • MB

      Her and Reimer will like it better in Calgary anyways.

    • Pugnacious Serf

      Those Toronto fans are sooooo classy…

    • WolfInSheepsClothes

      It’s absolutely shameless… The Reimer’s are some of the most humble, polite, and positive people you could ever meet.

  • Zelle

    I honestly got very emotional watching Lehner after stopping Stamkos in the SO. I’m in credibly happy for him. Before the game I was watching SensTV and in his interview he just seemed so defeated, and when he said that he sucked I knew that this string of losses was devastating for him. Go Sens Go! as always. Looking forward to another good game tonight, win or lose.

  • Don Ciccio

    So happy for Lehner and the rest of the team last night, they deserved to get the win in spite of the reffing. Hope Lehner starts tonight and I find it very odd that Anderson is now fit to play against his former team in front of family and friends. I know what I would do if I was Maclean but we all know that he hasn’t always done what is best for the team this year.

    • Tooks

      I really want Lehner to start, I mean how can you sit him after that…I would understand if Anderson was stellar before his injury and we we’re in a playoff race but thats not the case.

  • karlssens

    I’ll be so pissed if we don’t resign Hemsky.. That has to be priority number one. He’s the top 3 forward we’ve been looking for! Anything under 5.5 or 6 mill get it done pleaaaaaase. I would even keep spezza if it means keeping ales. But spezza cannot keep the C.

    • Tooks

      Ya we finally get a top winger for Spezza and we let him walk…Would sum up the state of this Org very well…

      Who else would you give the C to that would bring so much more credibility to this team? Not Karlsson and his dont care about D attitude. Not Neil and his stupid penalties. Certainly not Phillips and his downward spiral.

      Turris, lol, MacArthur, Methot? Smith?

      • Michenator

        I love Methot, home town boy. GREAT in interviews, although him and PM seem to maybe have a weird relationship.

        • Tooks

          Aye they do, they dont see eye to eye on things and doubt PMac would support Methot as Captain.

    • SensChirp

      If Spezza stays, he keeps the C. Not even a conversation, really. There’s this thing where fans, who have no idea what goes on behind the scenes and what really makes a good leader, suggest that Spezza lacks leadership. To a man, the guys in that room say he’s a good leader and actually some of them would tell you he’s a better Captain than Alfie.

      There are two descriptions of leader- one understood by the players and one understood by fans. And only one of them actually matters.

      • Tooks

        Not too sure about the Alfie thing but the rest is spot on.

      • MB

        As Shawn Donovan, someone who played with Spezza said last night on the pre-game show, Spezza is 100% the locker room leader and a guy everyone likes off the ice. He also said that he’s not a guy players will follow on the ice and made it very clear how important it is to have your captain and leader playing hard every night, shift after shift.

        The best quote was “your team’s play reflects your captains” and a lot of fans including myself have stated this. The identity of the Sens is inconsistent and the identity of Spezza his entire career is pretty much the same. The one thing a young team needs is consistency.

        So that basically comes right from a former teammate and there have been countless other players and coaches who underline just how important it is to have an on ice leader to will go through a brick wall with.

        • SensChirp

          Sorry but I think that is complete bull shit. These guys are professional hockey players and have reached the highest level in the league and change the way they play depending on who has the letter on his jersey? Give me a break. If that’s the case, the other players are a bigger issue than Spezza if you ask me.

          • Dirk-Diggler

            Spezza will be resigned this summer to a 5 year deal. He will continue with the C and will grow into it. There is nobody else that deserves it. I want karlsson to one day have it but just think with everything he went through this year how the weight of the C would affect him!
            Spezza will grow with the C on his chest. I’ve heard before that Spezza has always been the go to guy in the room. I can see why, he’s very likeable and seems like a standup guy.
            IMO Spezza C, Karlsson A, Turris A.

          • MB

            So you are saying guys who have played in the NHL, coach in the NHL, and are GM’s in the NHL are completely full of shit? Is this what you are stating? Are you calling Joel Quinville (2 time Stanley Cup winning coach) a liar and full of shit? Are you saying Donovan is a know nothing liar?

            Teams play as their leaders do, look around the NHL and it’s the same everywhere. Boston? Chicago? St.Louis? LA? SJ? in the negative light, Ott? Wash? Carolina? It’s 100% correct in saying that and just because their views don’t match your own does not make them BS and in fact are probably a lot more accurate than yours seeing as this is the topic that keeps coming up in Ottawa right now with the same answers being repeated by guys who get paid to play the game, coach the game, and build the game.

            Funny how that works, eh?

          • SensChirp

            I think it’s a convenient and easy narrative that people in hockey cling to with no real explanation or proof that it’s happening. People see a struggling Ottawa team, they see a new Captain and think YUP those two things must be linked.

            But in reality, what the hell does that mean? Are Jared Cowen and Chris Phillips struggling this season because Spezza is the Captain? Has the goaltending regressed to more realistic levels because Jason has a new letter on his jersey?

            Maybe those teams you listed are just better hockey teams than Ottawa? With better players?

          • MB

            Are players accountable for their own play? 100% they are and every single player knows this. No one has given any of these guys passes, they have all been taking it all year long.

            I’ll also say this, is Spezza the whipping boy and taking a lot of the heat when it really shouldn’t be laid on him? Absolutely he is and in a lot of people’s opinions he has dealt with it poorly but hey, some might say he has dealt with it as good as can be expected.

            The fact still remains that a team will follow their captain because of the simple fact he is the man in that room, he’s the guy you look to get a struggling team going, he’s the guy that makes sure a successful team doesn’t lose focus by his play on the ice. The examples are everywhere in the NHL and everywhere in sports.

            The sens game is perfectly described the same way as Spezza’s game always has been, inconsistent, sometimes amazing to watch, sometimes hard working, sometimes completely moronic, sometimes surprising (neg and pos), sometimes just frustrating. That’s Spezza in a nutshell.

          • bluebuyyoo

            I can’t even begin to imagine the shit storm the “I hate Spezza” campers would be in if Spezza had not been one of the best players on the ice recently.

          • Tooks

            Yeah funny how those teams are stacked and we arent…The Captain wouldnt even matter in this equation. Remove Toews, Brown, Backes, Thornton, and those teams would keep on rolling… The only team I would see struggle without their Captain is Boston cuz they are all about def.

            But the rest, its the system, the coaching that put their players in position to succeed. Those teams would keep rolling. We do not have that system, we dont have those players.

          • MB

            Even if you want to relate it to real life, at work you could have a manager or boss who is the greatest guy in the world, moral is high, away from work the employees are close, you can talk to the guy about anything, and generally well liked and even loved by some.

            if at the end of the day the guy can’t help those employees do their job because he doesn’t really understand the position he’s in or how to really lead those employees the department or company fails and everyone looks bad because of it.

            Like you said about fans, “There are two descriptions of leader- one understood by the players and one understood by fans. And only one of them actually matters.” You couldn’t be more right but you have no idea why that statement is correct.

          • Tooks

            But IF the Boss is doing his job well and other employees are not following or lacking skills to do so, you get rid of the slacking employee and get better ones. That is exactly what the Sens are dealign with here. Need to change some employees, not the leader.

          • MB

            Again, like yesterday, the day before that, and the day before that I disagree. I do not like the way Spezza plays the game taking into account the role and position he is in on the team at this point. Never have and never will. I have given my POV on it and I don’t think anyone wants to hear it again.

          • Miguel

            MB you are certainly entitled to your opinion, and are definitely not alone.
            It seems that here in Ottawa, we have such low patience for the playmakers, and love he plugs like Greening and CP4 etc.
            IMO Most anyone can be taught to play the game without the puck, skate, hit go to the corners, skate back hard.
            But players like Spezza take chances and when it works it is a Picasso, when it doesnt, and especially with our slow footed d-men it is a train wreck.
            Again all the best of the best keep saying, you cannot teach scoring… but

          • MB

            I couldn’t be more happy with Karlsson so the “no patients with playmakers” thing doesn’t hold a ton of weight for me. I enjoy a play maker as much as I enjoy a “plug” but it all depends on the role and fit on the team. My big thing is guys that play in every zone hard especially the guys who get the most ice time, if the top guys are not doing this then teams simply don’t win. It’s proven time and time again what works in the NHL and that’s everyone pulling in the same direction playing a 200 foot game.

            As for Spezza I’ll use Anaheim as the example again where I think Spezza would be an absolute stud. He comes in behind Getzlaf, he’s the 2nd center on the other teams board, he isn’t hounded and ripped apart by fans, media, and whoever else, and can just play hockey. No one is asking him to do anything other than what he is great at which is producing offense and putting up PP points.

            Right now in Ottawa, he’s the captain and it is expected he does things outside of his comfort zone and set the on ice example. He’s not that player and he’s also been set up to fail taking over for Alfie. He’s in a no win situation because he’s not going to change his game which is expected and he’s never going to be Alfie. That’s not on him, that’s on Management and the owner.

          • Miguel

            Did you honestly expect Spezza to contend for the Selke after putting ont he C?
            Do we want him to become Guy Carbonnoeau, and stop scoring goals? If he goes 2 games without points he gets shit on.
            C’mon MB did Lemeiux get the C b/c he they could make him defensively more responsible?
            Coming from someone who has had back problems for around 10 years, I am certain this inconsistency comes down to his back injuries, and I can certainly tell when Spezza is 100% and flying out there vs when he is in some degree of discomfort.
            OV wears the C in Washington, and it is not b/c he is great in his own end, in fact he needs a GPS in his own end.
            So accept that Spezz is a gifted PPG player, and everyone else who is not a PPG playe,r on the team, had better focus on what they do best, or they may be out of the NHL, whereas worst case for Spezz is he flourishes elsewhere.
            Be careful, b/c if he leaves, a replacement is extremely difficult to find, or very costly

          • runningbear1974

            I agree with what you’re saying… I’d like to point out something that is implied… Spezza does what Spezza does, and no matter what someone will pay him to do what Spezza does… What do you do if the coach doesn’t want to do a strategy focusing on Spezza?

        • esk

          I get it… but If spezza had 80+ pts this convo wouldnt be happening…just surround spezza with players that your talking about and the identity issue is solved

          • Bob

            Heatly scored how many goals with ottawa? And on the line with Alfie/Spezza… Now’s he’s playing 4th line playing where?? Spezza, you could argue was on the 3rd line this year. His 80 points would matter if he played with the same intensity as, lets say another PPG player. The dude is suppose to be our superstar, i just don’t see it.

          • Tooks

            Yep, When Spezza got 84 pts and was 4th in League scoring, EVERYONE was saying “give him the C now!”

            Now team D and G sucks ass (while the offense is doing pretty well) and Spezza is to blame. Last I check he doesnt play D and Defensive players wouldnt follow his lead anyways. They follow EK’s lead or CP4′s lead and well thats what you get.

            The offense is following his lead pretty well 2.80 GPG (tied for 10th in the NHL), while giving up 3.30 GAG, that is in no way Spezza’s fault.

        • spicy

          i have read that alfie first year as a captain wasnt great and it was full of inconsistency
          he had the C for less than a season … wait for him next year he deserve it

      • boom

        Fantastic reply!

        If someone wants to be critical of Spezza’s play, that’s fine. I think it’s almost always completely over the top, but I admit to being a Spezza fan.

        Criticizing his leadership after one season is in unbelievable, however. We (even us Spezza supporters) have no idea what goes on in the room.

        Regarding his plus minus, by the way: (which everyone uses as proof that he’s ineffective)

        Here are the career stats of Spezza:
        (GP Goals Assists Points Plus/Minus)

        677 247 433 680 59
        I tried to think of a similar “big name” center, who most would agree has a better rep than Spezza…
        Here are the career stats of Eric Staal

        758 285 397 682 -37

        • Tooks

          Even the most interesting man in the world would be speechless…Well said.

        • Miguel

          BAM!!!
          Nice rebuttal

        • random_dude13

          Very good post…although one of the two has a Stanley Cup ring.

          • runningbear1974

            Staal won the cup in the drought years of the NHL, look at the teams that were making it to the finals, versus the quality of teams now…

        • runningbear1974

          I’m glad everyone is staying polite… I’m not sure this proves that Spezza is good defensively… For me, proves Staal not as good as i thought, and explains to me why he didn’t go to Olympics, and why Staal’s team has been bad…

      • karlssens

        Seems like I stirred up quite the conversation haha.. But in all honesty, why does the organization want to move him if he’s so great behind the scenes?

        • SensChirp

          They have to consider moving him because he’s approaching the end of his contract. They have to think about what that next contract will look like and factoring in his health issues, whether it makes sense for them. Can’t lose him for nothing so they have to see what offers are out there. Tis a business.

        • Tooks

          Did you speak to the Org? Last I checked they didnt say they wanted to move Spezza in any way shape or form.

          Do they listen to offers, of course, they would be stupid not too. But moving him out now while we have no one to replace him with will just set us back 2-3 years. Plus we went and got Hemsky & Ryan. The Org is dumb but not hat dumb.

      • Aaron 2.0

        My biggest concern about Spezza early on was that he may have been permanently impacted by some very serious injuries. That doesn’t appear to be the case. His play has improved rather dramatically. It looks like he’ll be fine!

        On the whole leader thing. He keeps the C. That decision was made a long time ago and won’t change. Weather he is actually a good leader will probably remain to be seen for some years. Leadership is at least partially results based. I won’t hold this year against him – There is just too much going on to blame any one person. But, I would point out that there were too many times this year where players and management were on 2 different levels. Leadership has a big role in making sure everybody is on the same page, and understands their roles. I’m not surprised other players like him, and are willing to follow him into battle! But, I also wouldn’t be surprised if communication by our leadership can be improved. That’s obviously also on the coaching staff too. But, leadership has a role their.

  • Sicilian

    I would like to see Karlsson beat Coffey’s record of 48 goals :)

    • Tooks

      Never gonna happen, totally different era.

      • SensChirp

        30-35 is certainly within reach at some point in his career though.

        • Tooks

          Yeah could see him hitting that but imagine how bad his defensive game would have to be if he was heavily focused on offense.

          Mike Green hit 30 no? his defensive play took major hits to do so.

  • WolfInSheepsClothes

    The “move Spezza” shit needs to stop.

    How about we all rally behind Spezza and insulate him with players that make him EVEN BETTER – rather than the plugs he was anchored with all season. Hemsky is a good start. Maybe we try Ryan on his left wing next season…? Bring Alfie back for one more season on Turris’ right wing?

    Christ, PPG players are a rarity and everyone here wants to sell him up the river for a bag of pucks…? smh

    • The Apostle

      I don’t want Alfredsson back – he made his choice. Plus we shouldn’t be relying on a 42 year old to play top 6 minutes.
      No need to split up Turris, MacArthur and Ryan. Re-sign Hemsky and if they let Michalek walk play Spezza and Hemsky with Stone or Hoffman unless there is a great deal to be made by trade or UFA.
      We should be able to fill one spot on the top 9 from within, the more important issue is fixing the defensive issue whether that is via a significant change in personnel on the blueline (which looks unlikely) or becoming better at stopping the opponents transition game.

      • WolfInSheepsClothes

        Fair enough. Would be nice for him to finish his career here, and he can clearly still play…

        Perhaps TheEuge loosens the purse strings a little and we go after a couple big fish….? ie: Vanek, Niskanen

        • Tooks

          Niskanen would be amazing for our D. Would have to bump Ceci down to 3rd pairing tho?

        • Zelle

          Getting Alfie back would be like going back to your ex. The Sens went through a bad break up but now they have moved on and are looking at someone new.

    • Bob

      no, it needs to ramp up. Seriously, he’s not the guy, hell he needs to fight for a puck once and a while. PPG, that’s fantastic, if you’re a stats guy. Great he gets 6 points against a “softer” team, but where’s his points when His team Needs it? As a fan, he isn’t leading by example, (not as far as I’ve seen) slow back to the bench, slow around the rink, passes Every time he crosses the blue line.. there’s lots not to like in his game, unfortunately, I think we need to trade off him and Ryan. Bobby seems as though he doesn’t want to be here and mimicing 19′s style of play.

      • Tooks

        “but where’s his points when His team Needs it? As a fan, he isn’t leading by example, (not as far as I’ve seen”

        You mean like in the last 15+ games, where he’s been easily leading the charge, but other players are not stepping up.

        Same as in previous years, where we needed someone to step up to push us in the playoffs, who has it been. Ask yourself…At the end of the day he cant do it alone. Spezza is no Crosby, Toews but he’s shown in the past that he can lead us, he just needs a supporting cast, like others do.

        • Bob

          How many players are we going to go through to “Find” someone to play with Spezza. Yes, leaders lead on the ice, where it counts, great he’s a cool dude in the room.. Stepping up? Have you not watched a game, he floats better than a cork. Youre right, he isn’t Crosby, but the reason he’s so successful, he battles (ok, whines a lot) and he fights his battles. Spezza, not so much. Why would I go through the brick wall, my captain won’t. See how that works. I’d be a millionaire, if only I had millions of dollars.. like other millionaires.
          There’s a lot wrong in O-Town, he’s just part of it, that’s all.

          • Tooks

            So going over a PPG in his last 15 while players you think “would go through a brick wall” dont show up is not telling you something?

            Spezza aint the problem, is he the solution, not by himself, nobody does it alone…for long (Ovie needs help, Crosby needs help, Toews, Chara)…Nobody does it alone.

            Now we went and got Hemsky and it sparked something in Spezza, thats obvious, Ryan was to play with Spezza but has developped chemistry with Turris, thats fine. Build on that. Spezza had more pts than all 3 of the “Hard workers” Turris, Ryan, Mac in less games to boot.

            Offense isnt the problem, as much as defense is, I get the forwards dont come back much but they shouldnt have to IF our D could only make a good first pass. 90% of our troubles on D is caused by our own D, its not even the opposing teams attack or forecheck.

          • Miguel

            excellent post IMO
            Tooks you have been making too much sense lately… its very concerning :-)

          • Bob

            when my boss (captain) mails it in… so do the rest. Yup, you’re right, he’s been playing a bit better, lets resign him to a long expensive contract. the entire team seems to be stinkin’ it up, no doubt. Bottom line, he’s not the guy, you (and others) seem to think he is. With youth coming up to play, he’s not fast enough, doesn’t play hard enough. And won’t Period.

          • Tooks

            So leading us to the playoffs the past 2 years (basically on his back) was mailing it in? and again this year being one of the very few to step up in the race for the playoffs. Oh ok, I guess I have a different understanding of mailing it in.

            Keep the jokes up.

          • Bob

            tell your mom to make you some lunch.. getting kinda crabby.

  • Andrews theory

    Anderson isn’t going anywhere.

    The brass picked their ponies and they are Anderson and Lehner for the foreseeable future.

    Lehner will probably be a better goalie after being humbled during the dreadful losing streak and that’s never a bad thing. That said, unless Ottawa is looking to tack in a few more years of rebuilding I don’t see them handing the reins over to Lehner any time soon

    • Tooks

      Well Andy only has 1 more year, there is no way we re-sign him to back up. and there is no way Lehner stays to back up Andy for 2-3 more years. one of em will go.

      • MB

        0% chance that Lehner plays anything less than 1/2 the games next year baring some kind of injury.

    • MB

      They actually picked their pony with Lehner, Anderson at this point is a stop gap and again, if the team is indeed upset with how Anderson has handled his “injury” this time around was suggested in the media then that’s a pretty good sign that he is probably on his way out after this season.

      Like I said, if Lehner starts tonight that’s a statement from the coach and the organization itself.

  • Adamie Argun

    They should consider trying these line ups:

    Mike Hoffman – Jason Spezza – Ales Hemsky
    Clarke MacArthur – Kyle Turris – Mark Stone
    Milan Michalek – Mika Zibanejad – Erik Condra
    Colin Greening – Zack Smith – Chris Neil

    Hoffman moved to 1st line
    Michalek moved to 3rd line

  • Tooks

    What are your thoughts on the off season and who the Sens should try and get. Personnaly I would love if we could get one of the following.

    To play on the top line with 19-83
    LW Mason Raymond
    LW Cammalleri
    LW Ben Pouliot

    If we move up Ryan with 19-83, then we could try and get… to play with 16-7.
    RW Callahan
    RW Vrbata

    On D.
    Matt Niskanen
    Andre Benoit
    Dan Boyle

    • MB

      In any circumstance

      No, no, no
      No, no
      No, no, yes

      Last thing Ottawa needs are vets past their prime who bring absolutely no intangibles, experience, or leadership. Boyle is the only one that makes any kind of sense.

      • karlssens

        Boyle is near the end if his career and surely wants to go to a contender. We should be targeting:

        Ehrhoff
        Resign Hemsky
        Resign Milo or sign Cammy.

        • Tooks

          Yeah no kidding, I put him on the list cuz I was dreaming but the chances he comes here are very slim.

      • boom

        Ryan Callahan – no leadership, intangibles? have you seen him play?
        Matt Niskanen – past his prime? He’s 27 and having a career year.
        But Dan Boyle. at 37, and having an off year makes sense?

      • Tooks

        LOL how is Raymond, Pouliot, Camma, Niskanen past their prime, LOL…Vrbata is still putting up decent numbers and ALL bring tons of intangibles to the Sens.

        • MB

          I don’t respond to comments that have capitalized “lol” or “lmao” or any like that. You want to have a convo about opinions, views on players, what you believe is what’s needed, cool. If you want to try and discredit my opinions with facts or anything of the sort be my guest but it’s not going to by trying to prove a point by trying to be louder than everyone else with no substance to back it up.

          That’s the last response you will get from me with this kind of comment.

          • Tooks

            Sorry but you’re posts are quite funny, you follow “The Sun” and use it for insider info and you say 27 year old players are past their prime, sorry but that is very funny.

            I dont LOL very often but when I do, its to posts like this…
            Stay funny my friends!

          • MB

            Use it yesterday and used it today. Once a day is more than enough and is probably overkill.

            There are plenty of examples of 27 year old players who had their better years when they were younger but if we are talking about Pouliot specifically it would be a better argument if the guy ever had a prime. The Sens are loaded in the organization with players who can play 3rd and 4th line minutes right now.

            If the Sens need anything going forward it’s not former 30 goal scorers who have trouble keeping up to the pace of the game when asked to be 200 foot players (Camelarri), it’s not a guy like Mason Raymond who doesn’t bring what they Sens need, and it isn’t Callahan who yes, will sign a contract worth 45-50 million over how ever many years. Callahan can play on my team any day but I wouldn’t pay him more than he’s worth either.

            If you are looking for guys to bring in to help a young team along or hey, even help Spezza along if the decision is to move forward with him, it’s leadership support on the ice. A guy like Shawn Thornton is ideal on the 4th line, 2 cup rings, knows what it takes, and has done what it takes on 2 different teams. He’s not a sexy pickup but he’s one that will help the Sens play a little bigger and hopefully take some of the panic out of their game.

            Boyle is another. His best before date has certainly expired but he could play an important role next to Cowen giving him a vet to lean on and play with. Cowen with Gonchar you got to see what he could do and it was impressive. I would expect Boyle to be much the same.

            NHL plugs and guys way past their prime who have trouble skating is not what the Sens need if we are talking about UFA’s.

    • karlssens

      Callahan for 7 mill? Sure bud… Maybe Cammy tho if Milo walks. Cammy + Hemsky

      • Tooks

        Ya, he aint gonna get 7mil anytime soon.

    • Dirk-Diggler

      Pouliot would be good but I think he stays in NY, Vrbata would be my #1 choice for F and Boyle on D.

    • ZibbyFan

      Add in Lazar, Boro, and Anderson, remove Niskanen, leave Raymond, add Alfredsson.

      • Tooks

        Lazar plays Bingo for a year atleast.
        Also like others said, dont want Alfie back. Not because I’m angry at him (was the Sens damn fault) but because we moved on, so should you.

        • MB

          Lazar is not eligible to play in the AHL next year and there is a good possibility he won’t be going back to Edmonton. He will get a minimum 9 game look in Ottawa and perhaps 1/2 the year.

    • sprucesens

      i like cammalleri on the LW to take michaleks spot. Yes he’s smaller, but he plays harder, and is a playoff performer. PTs are about equal, except cammy is more consistent. He’s like a scoring version of conacher, lol. Not sure what to do on defense. Personally, i’d like to see claesson get a shot, but i’d prefer his shot to come at the expense of Phillips, and we know that’s not happening. So I really don’t know what to expect next year.
      Cammy-spezza-hemsky
      Mac-Turris-Ryan
      Hoffman-Zib-Stone
      Greening/condra-smith-neil
      Kassian? if we feel the need to keep him I guess.
      Methot-karlsson
      Gryba-Ceci
      Cowen-PW/Phillips.
      Claesson?
      Didn’t put thought into D pairs just threw the names out. So many options, especially if we go the trade route, or FA. but we would have the same problem of way too many bodies. Not sure what happens, but a few are certainly on there way out…

  • Frank

    There are changes coming, no doubt. This team has a gluttony of left handed defensemen so bringing in at least 2 right handed D-men is a must. Wiercoch is as good as gone. When I hear MacLean saying Cowen has progressed better that PW, I give myself the old “facepalm”!

    In an interview on TSN1200, BM mentioned he was close to a deal with Buffalo and that they would revisit it in the summer. I’d be shocked if Stewart wasn’t on this team at the start of next season. The top 6 is in serious need of some jam and he would be a good fit. Could it be a bigger deal involving someone like Erhoff or Myers? Maybe.

    I’m hoping there are a few tweaks but I don’t want to see a huge overhaul. Some of the young guys need a chance so vets like MM9, one of Greening/Condra and Kassian have to go. Stone and Hoffman need to be given a solid chance and I’m sure Lazar gets at least the 9 game minimum to see what he brings to the table.

    One thing’s for sure, this offseason will be way more interesting than the 2013-14 season…

    Go Sens Go!

  • Miguel

    on the lightly discussed topic on officiating :-)
    Not a conspiracy, however it is very clear, the league and officials, would rather have the errors that the refs make fall against teams like the Sens or small market teams vs the leagues big market elite franchises.
    As a die hard fan, there is way too much calls against the Sens in the past few years, to make it purely a coincedence.
    If the NHL really wants to clean this shit up it is really very quite simple.
    The game has gotten way to fast for the fools on the ice to call it fairly.
    Also with such stupid rules like, “in my mind I blew the whistle” really? So if at any time they lose site of the puck, then in their mind the whistle should be blown, and the play should be stopped. No?
    I would propose, putting the two idiots, I mean refs, up in a booth off the ice, and leave the two linesmen on to drop pucks, offsides, icing and stop fights. When they see an infraction, they will turn a light on for one team indicating a potential call, at the next stoppage, it is reviewed and the right call is then made. If a goal is scored on the delayed penalty, b/c the infraction was a mistake the goal is reversed and time added back on. Bam! probem is solved and the right calls will be made every time, and the league gains integrity, and you can get two bodies off the ice, and take the human bias out of the equation.
    Problem with is, the league will end up have small market teams start winning…. and ultmately lose revenue. Not fixed but…. it really is

  • Moudy Mahfouz

    Great too see the boys get a win last night. Lets keep it going and finish the season on a positive note. I enjoyed the way they played last night. Minus all the penalties this season and the brutal reffing, we could be in a playoff spot.. GO SENS GO

  • Moudy Mahfouz

    Spezza will resign with the Sens and improve his game during the summer. All the first year pressure of being a captain will be gone and he will be a great captain next year.

  • http://www.twitter.com/big_red_brandon brandon miller

    hate saying this… but with Stone and Hoffman both looking good – maybe we should be getting ready to trade Bobby Ryan for some D .. 68 19 83 & 61 7 16 looks like it could be a pretty solid top 6F!! Use BR6 to get some legit top 4 D cause i don’t think Weircoch/Gryba belong in this league!!

    • Tooks

      LOL but Cowen does?

      Ryan was fine at the beginning, he was what we asked for and more, then he got injured. He’ll be back next year in force. As long as our Jack Adams utilize him well.

      • Sensnation

        Are you still bitching about Cowen after the way he’s been playing this second half? He’s having straight up dominant shifts in most games, both defensively and offensively. Shit like this is why you’re such a joke Tooks, you claim to know the NHL so well but then can’t realize a player you don’t like is actually a good one and worthy of being where he is.

    • MB

      Trading Ryan is about the worst thing the Sens could do short of Ryan saying to them when the season is over “there is no way I want an extension, please trade me”.

  • Floridasensfan

    Going to the game tonight, a win for sure but have a feeling we see a hat trick, no idea who, Karlsson???

    Go Sens Go

    • Tooks

      Speaking of hat tricks? Did Huberdeau jump in one and disappear? Poof!

      • MethotToMyMadness

        Huberdeau is hitting the dreaded slump. Most young player hit it in either the 2nd, sometimes 3rd year. In Hockey Pools, when searching for a breakout players in late rounds, you are usually looking for a guy who just had the slump or has already passed the 2nd year and entering the 3rd. Huberdeau will be one of those late round picks next year you will want to keep an eye on.

        • Sensnation

          Completely agree, though there is some other talent in Florida coming up that are taking some minutes away from him. His rookie season he had a full minute more of ice time per game and was allowed to just do his thing. Now the defensive and all around game instruction is being applied a lot more. Barkov or one of the others may actually become more important to them longterm.

          • MethotToMyMadness

            Yeah, that’s how it happens in the NHL. Barkov is the real deal. He will, in 4 years, be Florida’s top point producer. I really would have liked to see him in Ottawa.

  • http://www.twitter.com/big_red_brandon brandon miller

    hate saying this… but with Stone and Hoffman both looking good – maybe we should be getting ready to trade Bobby Ryan for some D .. 68 19 83 & 61 7 16 looks like it could be a pretty solid top 6F!! Use BR6 to get some legit top 4 D cause i don’t think Weircoch/Gryba belong in this league!!

    • Andrews theory

      Hedman

      • s3nsfan

        what makes you think TBL will even consider MOVING him?

    • Sensnation

      Gryba’s been nothing short of dependable. He’s really improved his puck control and passing. Not sure why anyone would have an issue with Gryba right now. He also has allowed Cowen to use his puck skills more instead of always having to defer to Karlsson.

      • Miguel

        Yes agreed, Cowen has struggled with everyone this year, and I feel Gryba has helped Cowen’s game of late

  • Andrews theory

    never gonna happen but if there was a way of doing it, i’d make a play for Hedman in the offseason to play with Karlsson.

    • Tooks

      That would probably cost us Zibanejad + or Ceci +.

      • karlssens

        I would do zibby + a roster player for hedman in a heartbeat

      • Andrews theory

        What about moving Bobby Ryan. Might be time to cut bait before we lose him for nothing

      • SensChirp

        I didn’t remove anything.

    • Sensnation

      Might as well pursue Doughty, Weber or Subban. No team is moving their cornerstone dmen.

  • Sens613

    Great to see some emotions from the guys and Lehner’s reaction was priceless. We finally get a W and the air around town is a little more breathable.

    I’ve been critical on Lehner his past 5 gàmes but I do think he deserves the start in tonight’s game.

  • Harv

    A lot of decisions to be made tonight and they will tell a lot about the team going forward. Lehner should start tonight to build on his excellent play the last two games and to help him regain his confidence. Wiercoch has got to get back in a game or his future with this club is yesterday’s news. He has not been given the chance to establish himself at all this year. Stone and Hoffman have to be given all the games left to build their experience. If Anderson goes in tonight then Lehner will be seriously compromised as an NHL goalie. He is the future, not the past. How many of us had wished they had kept Lehner and Bishop last year?

  • SensChirp

    Sounds like Lehner will start. Anderson and Kassian were the only players on the ice this morning. No morning skate.

    • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

      That is the right decision imho

    • Aaron 2.0

      It’ll be interesting to here from coaching if Anderson is still not 100% (but could go if he had to), or if they just decided to go with Lehner. The only reason being that coaching staff have chosen to go with the same guy in back-to-back games a few times this year (for both goalies), despite the stats that show a drop in SV% for the 2nd game in back-to-backs.

    • Andrews theory

      Any word on PW?

      I’m a big fan

      • boom

        Pretty sure he’s in, albeit for the wrong reason….

        • Tooks

          Yep, watch him score tonight and play well, sure maybe some mistakes, but overall better than Cowen and get benched as soon as Mr Mistake can play.

          • Sensnation

            Oh Tooks, if you can’t even see why Cowen is better than PW, you have serious issues with your “nhl expertise”.

          • Andrews theory

            Ya I’d imagine most teams are banging down our doors and offering up a great return for Cowen this season…

            This season was all about trying to salvage Cowen, he hasn’t been playing because he’s vastly better than PW, he simply has a higher draft ranking

          • boom

            Well, then Tookie and I must both have issues then.

            Let’s see: PW’s a better skater, better passer, has better mobility…yeah, we’re the ones with issues…

          • Andrews theory

            Well Smith is also much better than Zibanejad in case you didn’t see that either

          • boom

            I like Smith and Zibanejad, so not sure where you’re going with this?

    • MB

      Anderson is done in Ottawa as the starter. If Lehner is indeed starting that was a statement made by the coach and organization. I agree with the statement but starting Lehner over Anderson against his former team and in front of Anderson’s friends and family is a clear message. It also falls in line with what was being reported in the Sun.

      Lehner is now the #1.

      • Aaron 2.0

        Could be. But really it depends on Anderson’s health. He may just not be 100% yet. Hopefully, we here from MacLean about the starter tonight. It should be telling.

      • Tooks

        Tell us something we dont already know.
        Andy should have been taded at the deadline.

      • Sensnation

        Lol what? Anderson is recovering from an injury, I highly doubt the torch has already been passed.

        • MB

          Anderson has told the team he is ready to play and the Panthers are his former team as well as his family and friends being there as well. Again if the reports out of the media are true then the Sens are indeed unhappy with how he is handling or handled his “injury”.

          This stretch has earned Lehner a lot of respect from the team, coaches, and management. Anderson didn’t feel he was ready like a lot of last year, he sat out when he could have played but instead Lehner took the brunt of things and to his credit he battled back and made a statement.

          Lehner has been handed the ball right here and I don’t think there is a chance you see Anderson back next year at this point. Today was a slap in the face to him and nothing short of that.

          • SensChirp

            Which media reports?

          • MB

            Sunday in the Sun they stated the team was questioning Anderson’s injury. Like a lot of other people I don’t like Brennan but a story like that doesn’t get out without some kind of backlash from the organization unless there is some truth to it. In fact I would suggest this story may have been egged on by some people within the organization.

            You can ask around if you wish but I think you will find my comment fairly accurate.

          • SensChirp

            Missed that article over the weekend. Don does like to stir the pot a little bit and seems to take personal offence when he believes information is being withheld (see Karlsson issue earlier this season).

            But like you said, there are often people within the organization pushing him in a certain direction. Hard to tell if this is one of those cases.

          • MB

            Put it this way, if there wasn’t any truth to them questioning Anderson’s injury then they would have refuted it right away and when Anderson was ready he would be starting. He has already stated he is ready to go I believe but I could be wrong on that. Lets take into account the current situation of the 2nd game on the back to back, against his old team, in the city he calls home. Even last year his ankle was “2 weeks away” for 2 months, it was over looked because Bishop and Lehner were unreal. IMO Anderson is a head case and it’s becoming apparent that Colorado knew this and it seems Ottawa does now as well.

            You add all that up and it’s a statement by everyone. It’s a knock on Anderson as much as it is a credit to Lehner. What Lehner has done has given everyone a little hope here and has done what it takes to be given the ball in Ottawa. I think people over look just how hard it is to “stop a puck” at times, especially bad ones and bounce back and work your ass off to find your game and confidence again.

          • bluebuyyoo

            What are you smoking? Lehner has been a mess lately. Since taking over from Anderson during the Nashville game, Lehner has gone 1-5 with 28 goals against. Last night he had a 3-1 lead and managed to win in the SO. During the game, he did not look comfortable at all.

            I am all for having Lehner as the Senators’ future goalie, but over the last couple of weeks, he has definitely not been at his best.

          • MB

            His last 3 games have been pretty solid, his last 2 he has been great. There is no question Lehner struggled through a long stretch recently but the way a 22 year old goaltender battled back and been able to find his game has been impressive. This is the kind of thing a team as a whole will find confidence in as well.

            I don’t know how you can look at that game last night and say he didn’t look comfortable. Most of the rebounds were gobbled up, the shots that beat him we great goals, and in the shootout where he struggles he got the job done. To me that is battle testing a goaltender and that’s what you need out of a #1.

          • bluebuyyoo

            Well, we are not watching the same game. He is rarely square to the shooter and is in scramble mode most of the time. Rebound control has not been good either.

            Like I said, I am a big Lehner fan, but realistically, he has not played well over his last 6 starts.

          • MB

            He’s a little scrambly for sure, always has been and needs to work on it. As for being square to the shooter and his rebounds the last few games he’s getting it under control, he’s looked solid his last 3 starts.

            Either way he’s not going to get better without playing and there is only 1 place for him to play.

          • BFR

            “When Anderson was hurt, two league executives told the Sun the
            recovery range was two-to-four weeks depending on the severity of the sprain.’ – Garrioch, Sun

            Total injury time – about 6 weeks.

            But don’t let the facts get in the way of a good rant…

          • MB

            What facts am I missing? It was initially reported as 2 weeks with an ankle sprain. A week later it was a high ankle sprain and it would be about 4 weeks. It ended up being 6 weeks. I don’t think I stated anything that was factually incorrect there other than the 2 months thing which was said for effect to make a point.

            The point still stands though, there are questions about Anderson’s willingness to battle through discomfort and to tell you the truth based on his history it’s questionable if he is willing to battle through adversity in general. It’s one of the reasons he was moved out of Colorado and it could be the same thing right now.

            There is just a lot more to Anderson not playing then simply having an injury.

          • BFR

            The point only stands if the facts are accurate, which they are not.

            The fact that you think he should have ‘battled through’ a bad ankle injury before it was 100% is absolutely ridiculous.

          • MB

            Last year there was no reason to and I already stated that if you care to read everything I wrote. Bishop and Lehner were playing great and there was no rush.

          • A-Train

            If it is the same Brennan article I saw then you are reading way too much into it. Maclean said he’d like to have his number 1 playing. That’s about it.

          • MB

            There is no question I could be but I am looking at what has happened after that article has come out and it’s been Anderson backing up in Florida which I don’t believe he has ever done as a Senator and it’s on a back to back.

            Maybe this is all just a coincidence but I don’t believe it is and he has had problems playing through some tough stretches and be difficult before. (Colorado).

          • A-Train

            I’m not discounting your interpretation. You may be right. Walmsley on Hockey Central yesterday was saying Lehner’s biggest problem is not having played enough NHL games…so it’s also possible they’re using this meaningless stretch to get him some minutes. I can’t imagine that would make Andy super-happy either.

          • MB

            I didn’t even know that but it would tie in with everything. This is just an educated guess on everything but I don’t think Anderson has done himself any favours with his annual injuries mixed in with the organization making a clear choice in Lehner as the future, and the fact he has struggled and he needs to play as a young goaltender.

            But again you could be right, might be me reading way too much into it.

          • sprucesens

            yeah, i’m more on the train that andy played most of the games this year, had a rough game injury wise, and we are out of the picture. Why not give lehner a chance to play some games now. I couldn’t think of a better time for the franchise to see what he can do. Back to back or otherwise. You can guarantee if asked, he would play both games in a back to back every single time. He’s that competitive. I have nothing against andy, but I think it would be wise from managements perspective to let lehner prove himself, and show that they don’t need Anderson next year. if he craps the bed, well, we have a problem don’t we?

          • A-Train

            I really think the team wants both Andy and Lehner in the mix next season. What could you get for Andy in the offseason anyway?

          • MB

            Maybe a 2nd rounder

          • sprucesens

            I guess I should clarify, I fully believe we’ll have the same tandem next year, just with lehner getting more starts. More of a 50 50. I was thinking more of a trade at the deadline. But yeah, like MB said, maybe a 2nd, if he’s playing well. A 1st would be attainable if he is playing like he was last year, and a playoff team that isn’t us, loses their number 1 and has no faith in their backup. So likely a 2nd at best, as that’s a long shot.

          • MB

            I think they give the ball to Lehner, simple as that.

          • PraiseAlfie11

            Heard DB blabbing on about a stinger. Stinger this, stinger that. When the thought it was a concussion from the michalek hit was brought up, DB paid it lip service then restarted his rant about a stinger and that Anderson bailed on the team over a stinger.

            The guy is a clown.

          • MB

            Might be true but he still doesn’t flat out lie about things vs like SC said, stirring the pot.

          • BFR

            Nowhere in that article does it state the team was questioning his injury, DB was.

          • MB

            It hints largely towards the team questioning him. Either way, even now they are talking about MacLean calling Anderson out about this injury on the radio presently.

          • BFR

            No, it doesn’t.

          • MB

            “So he’s missing all these crucial games down the stretch because of the Michalek bump? Do stingers normally keep players out of action for more than two weeks or, as one reporter put it, is this a ‘humdinger of astinger.’

            There has to be something more to it.”

            Direct quote.

          • BFR

            That’s a “reporter” quoting another reporter. Nothing regarding the team questioning him.

          • Sensnation

            Disagree 100%. You seem to be adding a lot of fiction to your facts to create your story. Just keep your opinion to facts and we’ll be fine to let you have it.

          • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

            Yeah I have been one of Lehners biggest pushers around here and am calling BS

          • MB

            I’m not the one publishing the story.

  • MethotToMyMadness

    I think it’s a simple reward system that Lehner gets the start, and most of you would all agree. Andy is good enough to wear the backup, but Lehner was giving the reigns under fire and managed to subdue it. It’s now his show until he drops the ball.

    • s3nsfan

      you would think, however, what happened to the 3 game win streak at the beginning of the season (Nov) when Anderson was started after Lehner won star of the week.

      • SENSsmile

        I’m starting to wonder why that happened. Could this have been the result of a tantrum by Anderson? They don’t tell us anything, really…

        • s3nsfan

          Funny tsn1200 was talking about transparency yesterday. Not sure how I feel. As a fan, i want to know everything: why the ref blew a call or made it one way, what kind of injury, rather than general body soreness, and what goes on in the dressing room, and the NHL and NHLPA create more desire for that by having their 24/7 series to show all that. But on the other hand it’s a business and these are bosses and employees and really we don’t have a right to know what goes on. It is what it is, I guess

  • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

    Any news on Philips…Weircioch?

    • SensChirp

      Called Phillips doubtful so I would assume Wiercioch plays. Think the plan was to get him anyway.

      • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

        I will believe it when I see it…How sporadically he has played I wouldn’t be shocked to see them sign someone to a one day contract.

      • Aaron 2.0

        Beautiful! The one thing the team needs to do with Phillips out is stay out of the box. That’s really the one part of his game that I think we would miss without him, IMO.

      • Miguel

        I would not call Phillips Doubtful… however I do have many other things I could call him….. Sorry Chirp too easy
        it would be really nice to see PW in tonight and shine

  • A-Train

    Really don’t understand those saying Anderson is “done”. Reality check: He’s injured right now and signed through the end of next season.

    It’s pretty clear the ’14-’15 plan will be another year of the Anderson/Lehner combo. Too early right now to say who the starter will be.

    • MB

      IMO they role with one guy next year, that’s it. Young team needs consistency and that includes the guy that starts in the net.

      • A-Train

        So you go with Lehner. Fine, he might be ready. But now you need to find a trade partner to take Anderson AND sign or trade for a veteran backup (sorry, Lawson won’t cut it).

        Why not let Andy and Lehner duke it out for the number 1, have the other guy back-up, and figure your problem out later?

        • MB

          I think Minny is a logical spot for him to land. I think Nabokov would be an ideal guy to help Lehner along, still has game (better numbers than Anderson on a team who has given up just as man goal) and he’s been a legit #1 before.

          Again I’ll say that Anderson doesn’t have a rep for being a great team guy, not sure you want an unhappy Anderson in the room and wanting the net.

          • A-Train

            I don’t think the room dynamics enter into it all that much with these decisions. If I’m Bryan Murray looking at your proposal I’m thinking it’s creating extra work for me all to bring in Nabokov to replace Anderson.

            Where things will get interesting is if Andy comes back in September in lockout-season form. What then?

          • MB

            Maybe, who knows. Either way best case scenario for Anderson is he is super pissed he isn’t playing tonight and will probably end the season in a similar mood.

          • Zelle

            If you watch yesterday’s pregame interview with Andy he’s visibly upset that he wasn’t playing when he was good to go.

          • MB

            Didn’t get to catch that but it wouldn’t be surprising. IMO this very well could just be history repeating itself but I stand to be corrected if things work out differently but there are a lot of different things being said in the media (TV and radio) along with what happened in Colorado and the fact Anderson seems to be a soft/injury prone goaltender.

            It’s also possible that MacLean feels a little let down because remember, early on in the season when Lehner was on fire, winning games MacLean went to the wall for Anderson to get back into the net, to show him no matter what might happen he is the #1 guy without question. If MacLean feels he needed Anderson and he was good enough to play despite not being 100% in the most important stretch of the season then this could very well have soured MacLean on Anderson.

            Lehner all the while took the loses, took the nightly 50 shots against, and had an awful stretch but you know what? He fought through it and he looks to be finding his game now, that earns respect from everyone.

  • Andrews theory

    I find this goalie discussion fascinating.

    Reality is neither tender has been terribly good this year. Lehner had a couple of opportunities to take the ball and run with it and he wasn’t ready to be the savior with a shitty d core in front of him.

    One comment I will make is that When Anderson arrived here, he was all smiles all the time, that hasn’t been present at any point this year

    • A-Train

      Well, when he got here he was on this third chance in the NHL and the Senators had arrived out of the blue to give him a non-contested number 1 goalie job.

      Different story now with an organizational golden boy breathing down his neck + a team playing crap defence in front of him.

      He knows the writing’s on the wall: The org wants Lehner as a number one in the near-to-mid future. He can change that — or at least get a big FA payday somewhere — by putting up big numbers and that ain’t gonna happen this season, or possibly next if Lehner’s able to take the job.

      • Andrews theory

        I’ll accept that…
        lol

    • MB

      Lehner was running with it early on when the Sens had seemed to turn it around, the ball was taken from him and given back to Anderson. Lehner was 1st star of the week and didn’t see the net again for a few weeks.

    • Aaron 2.0

      I agree neither goalie has really looked better than the other. I don’t really know how bad they’ve been, playing behind our rather putrid defense. But, we’ve certainly seen too many goals go in from behind the net on Anderson, and too many softies on Lehner. I’m partial to give them both the benefit of the doubt, with Anderson’s history here in Ottawa, and Lehner’s still developing and learning how to be a pro in this league. I’d be happy to see Anderson as starter again next year. If Lehner could push for up to 30 games, that would be great, IMO He’s actually that high this year, but it’s just a weird year in O-town.

  • karlssens

    Take this for what you like:

    Today at work (Popeyes supplements) two bombshells came in to buy some stuff and I helped them out. As I asked for a name before checking them out one of them said can I use my boyfriends name. Me being the kind gentleman that I am said sure. She then says mike Hoffman. Turns out it was Hoffman and cecis girlfriends haha! I started talking to them about hockey and went all garrioch on them. Apparently Mike isn’t thrilled with the way the organization has handled him to date, and would be open to a trade. she said they Anaheim and LA were interested at the deadline, but Ottawa wouldn’t trade him. So it seems like Ottawa knows he wants to leave, and it keeping him up to showcase him for a potential trade. Take it for what you will, but it’s interesting nonetheless.

    • my2sens

      Is Mike wanting to go to California or the girlfriends?

      I would say a load of horseshit… Not sure why (not discounting what you’ve said/heard) the ladies would say that….

      • karlssens

        She seemed to imply that they both wanted to go to Anaheim or LA.. She mentioned the shitty weather as well. Mike is apparently frustrating with how the team has “played with his head” and rightfully so. But who knows, the organization could offer him a deal he can’t refuse.

        Cody’s girlfriend was a sweetheart,
        She said Cody is a homebody and doesn’t go out often. Explains a lot why the organization is so high on him. She also mentioned they just bought a house in Stittsville and are moving in in 2 days.

        • Moudy Mahfouz

          They would be bombshells. What a coincidence though. It is going be to an interesting summer.

          • Moudy Mahfouz

            I met Ceci last summer at Blues Fest as he is friends with a couple girls I know He seemed very quiet, I could see this kid being here for a while

        • Zelle

          If I was a rookie and teams like the Kings and Ducks wanted me, I’d want to be traded too. But there is no saying that is where he’ll end up if he does get traded, so if this is true he better be careful not to complain too much.

          • karlssens

            He hasn’t made it public if he is indeed frustrated. This is the first time I’ve heard it. He’s been patient and I hope he sticks around.

          • Zelle

            True I also like him. I also don’t think he’s shown anything substantial that would get him to play chicken with management. Then again neither has Prince but we heard rumors of that also. Time will tell! I hope Hoffman, Stone, Ceci, and Pageau stick around.

        • Brutus5247

          They could be ex-girlfriends soon. Shit gets around. Who wouldn’t want to be on winning teams?

    • Miguel

      “can i use my boyfriends name” sounds like a “girl” who wants everyone to know she may have been with Hoffman.
      A real girlfriend would not want you to know, or would ever spread rumours… IMO

      • karlssens

        They gave too many details for it not to be the real girlfriends.

    • boom

      When she asked if she could use her boyfriend’s name, you should have said “only if it’s mine…”

      • Andrews theory

        Boom tell yer friends!

    • spezzerman

      so either Hoffman, or his girlfriend, or both, are idiots. Good to know.

    • Andrews theory

      I think the list of players open to a trade is getting significantly longer…

      Makes me sad

      • karlssens

        I don’t think they want to trade him, or they would have at the deadline.

    • zBernatchez

      Interesting I hope you got their phone numbers for work purposes of course

    • karlssens

      Not saying any of this is 100 % credible.. And I don’t want ppl spreading rumors.. Just thought I’d share it with fellow SCers.

      • sprucesens

        this scares me. I really hope its complete bull, but it rings of too much truth. I hope they don’t trade Hoffman. I know you can teach better skating, but truth be told, you just can’t teach his speed. Everytime he’s in the offensive zone, he does lots of little puck handling plays that he just makes look so simple, but its like the puck is on a string. Plus the quick back check. He is so fast, he catches up to players that think they have all the time in the world, and before you know it, he has lifted the stick and turned the play around again. I hope the organization gives this guy 2 mil per for 2 years, to keep him happy, and on a 1 way. Move out the guys that aren’t helping this organization, not the one’s that are

    • Harv

      If true, it would confirm what a lot of us believe. There is something wrong with the organization and players are getting turned off. If I was Hoffman, I would be ticked as well. I wonder how DaCosta feels after working his buns off only to be sent back to Bingo to cool his heels. Meanwhile, Greening and Condra keep playing. I know there are contract issues for all these guys and some obvious moves cannot be made but, at least you have to keep the troops happy.

      If Hoffman is ticked off, I suspect others in the group could be Ryan, Karlson and Lehner.

      Time will tell but I sure hope we do not lose Hoffman.

  • Dirk-Diggler

    Zibby out with an injury :(

    • xN1Cx

      Source?

      • BFR

        Scanlan on Twitter.

    • FistsofNeil25

      Soooo if that’s the case who is moving to center in his place? Greening?

  • Michenator

    One thing people need to keep in perspective is that this year the expectations were higher than the last 2 or 3 years. That mixed with a leadership flip and a loss of veteran presence I think is the main reason for the issues this season. I hope the off season isn’t too tumultuous and the group can come together more and rebound well next season.

    I also do hope any trades will be at the draft and will be for picks…. I’d love to shed some of our dead weight for picks so that we can move up some of our great young prospects.

  • FistsofNeil25

    So what do any of you guys know about this College FA D Folin that we’re supposedly so interested in? All I know is that he’s Swedish.

    • BFR

      From CBC:

      Christian Folin
      Second-year D, UMass-Lowell
      Age: 23. Height: 6-3. Weight: 210.
      Hometown: Gothenburg, Sweden

      The skinny: His father, Martin, played professional soccer in Sweden … 20 to 25 teams will be interested in the younger Folin … Plays with an edge and has good
      size.

      Bob McKenzie via @Hope_Smoke:

      “the big College FA, the guy everyone thinks can step in right away is the Swedish D Folin.”

      “Canadian teams are big on him. Mon, Edm & Ott are involved as well as the Wild and Flyers.”

      “Folin can make an impact this season but he’s ineligible for the playoffs”

      CBSSports:

      “..with great mobility and a heavy shot…”

    • Phoenix

      I hope the Sens are able to land him. He could be a good partner for karlson down the road.

  • WaitingSince92

    Is Zibby’s injury serious? Anyone?

    • BFR

      Upper body stiffness – anticipate he’s ready Friday.

      • WaitingSince92

        Thank you good sir.

  • SensChirp