Sens Looking at Lecavalier?

SensChirp July 3, 2014 1,162
Sens Looking at Lecavalier?

(UPDATE)- During a segment on That’s Hockey last night, Darren Dreger suggested that at this point, he does not think Lecavalier is willing to waive his no trade clause for a trade to Ottawa.  The panel seemed to think there may be some flexibility there down the road but seemed to think Lecavalier would need some convincing.  The Senators and Flyers have definitely talked but the salary retention and no trade clause seem to be pretty significant stumbling blocks right now.

Has Bryan Murray’s search for an NHL centre led him to city of Philadelphia?

According to a rumour from Flyers’ reporter Tim Panaccio, the Senators may be talking to the Flyers about taking Vincent Lecavalier off their hands.

Obviously there would have to more to a deal like this.

Not only would the Senators need to get a pick or prospect back from the Flyers, they’d also need the Flyers to eat a significant portion of his salary. Lecavalier scored 20 goals last season but at age 34, he’s clearly in the twilight of his NHL career.  He also has four more years left on his deal and is scheduled to earn $6 million next season.

Ottawa has also been linked to free agent centre David Legwand. The Leafs and Sabres also have interest.

 

  • SensChirp

    Another thing to consider here. Lecavalier has a no movement clause in his contract.

    • http://silversevensens.com Mrs. O

      Lol Philly for giving him that…and then LOL at us if we pick him up.

      • Lorien

        Budget strikes again. Cap hit higher than amount paid out in later years!

  • Matthew Rutldge-Taylor

    If the Flyers eat enough of his salary, he could be good for the Sens. He could centre the third line and play first unit power play. As for him needing to waive his NTC, he might not mind moving closer to his home (Mtl).

    • Sandy

      he was -16 last season. Had 37 pts including 20 goals.
      He is 34 yrs old and too many injuries have slowed him. No thanks.

  • Pat D

    Give us Couturier insread!!!

  • Dirk-Diggler

    Would you trade him straight up for Greening?

    • Matthew Rutldge-Taylor

      Hmm, yes.

  • Richard Gough

    Give philly a prospect and a 4 th for vinny that should be enough to get the deal done

    • Lorien

      I think you are mistaken here, Philly needs to give US something, not the other way around.

      • Richard Gough

        Ok them
        viny
        3rd

        For
        Prospect
        4th

        • FistsofNeil25

          How about Vinny @ 50% retained for future considerations.

          • Richard Gough

            Yea that would work to

          • FistsofNeil25

            We don’t want that guy. By the end of the season Vinny was Philly’s 4th line center. Adding him would be just be plain dumb.

          • Richard Gough

            You really think that this team is going to make the playoff and have a long run ,with what we have all ready ? I don’t think so . Adding VL will help develop our younger core and fill the Spezza cap but it will only work if Hextall will retain half of the salary . And besides ,picking up another draft pick will help use in the up coming draft.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Adding Vinny takes a valuable roster spot away from one of own young core players.

        • Sandy

          They would need to retain 1/2 that salary especially for next season when he earns 6M. What the hell was Holmgren thinking?
          If they are not prepared to give a little something extra — then the return they get for Lecavalier will be no better than a 6th round pick in the next draft from Ottawa.
          That being said, I don’t want Lecavalier.

          I also hope this is not the trade Murray was referring to.

    • SensChirp

      Ya, they would have to send Ottawa something for taking on the contract.

  • Sen John’s

    I’m probably in the minority here, but I think Lecavalier could still be a decent 2/3 centre. I think Turris, Lecavalier, Zib, Smith is solid down the middle.

    • Matthew Rutldge-Taylor

      I’d go: Turris, Zibby, LeC, Smith.

      • Spoons

        I`d go with Turris, Zibby, Lazar, Smith… Fuck Vinny

    • Sandy

      He’s not a 2nd line centre anymore. His game sucks right now.

  • Keregan

    Please god no..:(

  • FistsofNeil25

    Holy shit don’t do it Murray. I wouldn’t even take Vinny for free. A move like that would confirm to me that there isn’t actually a plan in place here.

    • Sokz

      We have a plan ? What’s that ? To play moneyball and hope it works out in the nhl

  • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

    YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES

    Something new to complain about!!!

  • iKarly65

    You think Sens would use a compliance buyout on him, just to get the picks/prospects?

    • John Hillier

      Dont think he qualifies for a compliance buyout, his contract was signed after the CBA, and does not qualify if I am not mistaken.

      • Sandy

        It’s too late for compliance buyouts. They needed to be done before July 1st.

    • Sandy

      Melnyk has no money to do that.

  • Joshua Delorme

    Greening + 4th for Lecavalier + 2nd round pick and they eat half his salary

    • http://silversevensens.com Mrs. O

      I’d do that, I guess…if I was hot on Vinny

  • Dirtysweetness

    I don’t think that’s a Sharp decision. Get it lol.

    • http://silversevensens.com Mrs. O

      No, explain…:P

      • Keregan

        he is referring to the Sharp rumors

        • http://silversevensens.com Mrs. O

          I know, hence the :P

        • Dirtysweetness

          You’re a very Sharp character! Don’t Leddy anyone tell you different!

          • Keregan

            lol nice calembour

  • ProfessorPower

    We’re not taking lecavalier for the next 4 years lol this guy is tweeting based off some Eklund Rumor.

  • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

    I really hope that this isn’t the big deal Murray alluded to

    • Keregan

      me to unless they give us Simmonds as a compensation :)

    • ProfessorPower

      Out of all the players we could potentially trade for, the Cap Team targets a 4 year 6 million dollar player who’s 34 years old. This rumor is bullshit… if we want a center from Philly we would go after Brayden Schenn

      • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

        Agreed, didn’t it originate from Eklnud?

        • FistsofNeil25

          I think Eklund actually has good sources with Philly. He’s like their Garrioch. He knows Philly but he just makes shit up on other teams.

          • RUSH RLZ

            Put it this way…. he had no idea about the Hartnell thing… ZERO. So if that is the team he actually has some cred for well then… LOL!

  • Mat

    The Sens front office is putting out feelers on potential deals and making decisions based on social media reaction. Right now, Randy and Pierre are looking at Bryan and telling him that this is not a “popular” option…

    • Keregan

      lol

  • rhume55

    Serious question — what’s wrong with Lecavalier? Big experienced centre, good for 20 goals. If he costs the Sens about $3m a year, what’s the problem?

    • RUSH RLZ

      Yeah if they are willing to do that, retain 70% of his salary not to play there and throw in another asset that would work.

      But I wouldn’t want him at 50% of his current contract.

    • Mat

      I’m not fully against V.L. but only if he’s part of a package that includes a top 6 winger by the name of Voracek or Simmonds (lets be honest, they are not getting rid of Couturier). But a 2 for whatever package means we can put 9MM on the 3rd line – where he belongs. And Vinny shouldn’t cost us more than 1.5 IMO.

      • zippy

        And take Greening.

    • Sandy

      His game has fallen off the same as Heatley’s has.

  • Prince

    Finally, this may be the Lecavalier for Bonk deal we’ve all heard about……..but seriously no

    • sbs138

      Bonks Mullet?

  • T K

    Has Philly used all of their Compliance Buyouts? Maybe Ottawa doesn’t want him to play but to earn a favour…

    • iKarly65

      Yes. Bryzgalov and Briere.

      • T K

        If Sens take him at a reduced salary and then buy him out; it helps them stay at the cap floor…

        • iKarly65

          It’s an option. But they’ll hit the floor no problem with Lehner’s extension.

          • T K

            but if the cap rises over the next 5 years, it could be the $$ buffer that they need.

        • Sandy

          It’s wasted money. No way Melnyk will do that.
          Send him to Tampa for picks. They will buy him out.

    • sbs138

      and Philly can still buy him out but it would count against their cap…for 6 years?

    • RUSH RLZ

      Dirty Flyers have already used both of their compliance buyouts. Bwuahaha.

  • zippy

    Who would we want from Philly?

    F: Simmonds, Couturier, Brayden Schenn.
    D: Coburn, Schenn

    They might part with another second in 2015 too.

    • Jaskaran Purewal

      No thanks at Luke Schenn, we don’t need another Cowen on the blue line.

  • Doc

    Bahahaha so this is the mysterious trade Murray alluded to?

  • RUSH RLZ

    Well, depends how it goes obviously, but if they are essentially paying us to take him that would be solid. My concern is that, he is no way shape or form helps our Top 6 and he would be taking a spot on the bench where a younger butt should be sitting.

    BUT….

    $10M / $10M / $8.5M…. and so on… LOL! WHUT?!

  • FistsofNeil25

    From HB comment section:

    Chris Stevenson on the Team 1200 right now saying Ottawa reporters
    asked about Ottawa interest and was told LeCavalier is of 0 interest to
    Ottawa.

    • Keregan

      fioufffffff

    • spgottawa

      Thank god

    • ProfessorPower

      That ended quickly lol

  • Dirtysweetness

    This is ridiculous! Even if Philly ate part of his contract, it’s still quite the duration in term.

  • SensChirp
    • RUSH RLZ

      Okay! Now I hate it even more! Did you see the ominous URL for that article?

      */could-vinny-lecavalier-end-senators *

      • spezzerman

        thats amazing, hahahahaha

  • my2sens

    Canadian Kovalev.

  • markukihokej

    I dont understand why everybody thinks that it is a bad idea to land lecavalier here. If Philadelphia will eat the half of his salary, then he’ll be paid 3, 2.25, 1.5 and 1.5M. For a guy that is over 0.5 PPG, I think this is a bargain and we will recieve picks and prospect as well

    What is more, his cap hit is not a concern, our broke ass owner will not spend to the cap anyway lol.

    • sprucesens

      yeah I don’t have a problem if they retain half, but I don’t know if they have other contracts that are eating up their retained salary deals. I’d be ok with that though. He’s not a star attraction, but is certainly a welcome addition if we don’t have to pay him fully

    • sprucesens

      especially if we were to give them greening as the player going back. I’d sooner spend the same money on lecavalier as I would on greening….

      • zippy

        Tough question.

    • RUSH RLZ

      No. If they eat half his salary we will still have to pay him $5M / $5M / $4.25M and so on… his cap hit is low AAV but he is scheduled to make TEN MILLION REAL DOLLARS the next two years.

      • my2sens

        Could we not pay him with Canadian Tire Money though?

        • RUSH RLZ

          Based on my last visit, I think they give you 30 cents in Funny Money for every $100 REAL DOLLARS you spend. So doing some napkin math here, Eugene would need to buy THREE HUNDRED MILLION worth of tarps and propane to pay him his $10M in Canadian Tire money.

          • my2sens

            I can print it for him though! :-)

          • sprucesens

            trade the sens straight up for the CT money to get him for free?

      • FistsofNeil25

        No markukihokej is correct. it would be 3, 2,25, 1.5 and 1.5

      • markukihokej

        No. That contract was bought out by Tampa. He signed new 4 years contract last year with philly, and we would have to pay for that contract

        • RUSH RLZ

          You guys are right, CapGeek has it listed really weird. That is his “top of page” contract but underneath there is a little asterix and what not that says it has been bought out.

          My bad.

  • KJ

    Stevenson debunking this on team 1200 right now based on discussions he has had with the Sens previously. Would be very surprised if this happens.

    • RUSH RLZ

      Previous discussions are previous. Murray expected to have had better trades and to have signed UFAs by now, but he has been stonewalled and done zero!

      Remember how “busy” he was going to be on July 1 after the Spezza trade?

    • zippy

      Depends how badly PHI wants to get rid of him. 3, 2.25, 1.5 and 1.5M aint a bad hit for a 0.5 PPG player who can play 3/4 C.

      Of course the other side of the coin is if you had to choose between him and Lazar or Smith?

      Smith’s grit vs Vinny’s .5 PPG?

      Lazar will be a star…but if he can play on Vinny’s wing?

      Yeah…the more I think about it I don’t see it happening

    • SensChirp

      Important element here is what ELSE would the Flyers include. That’s where it becomes something Ottawa has to consider. Using their cap space to add quality assets. Not saying it should be Lecavalier, but that is something Ottawa should be looking to do.

      • my2sens

        A year’s supply of Philly Cheesesteaks!? Mmmm…..

      • FistsofNeil25

        Sure, but what are the chances that Philadelphia retains a significant portion of his salary AND includes another valuable asset in such a deal. It doesn`t make much sense for either team.

        • SensChirp

          They need to move a contract. And no team is going to just take this on for them.

          • FistsofNeil25

            This sounds more like a move that Tim Murray would try to pull off, not Bryan lol

          • Sandy

            Don’t forget, they can put Pronger on LTIR that puts them just under the cap.
            I assume another reason they want to get rid of Lecavalier is because he sucks now.

          • Abraham

            nope Philly is 3 million over the cap at present

      • RUSH RLZ

        Eugene will spend money for picks or prospects? He wont even spend money on players!

        • SensChirp

          Except in this case, we actually also USE the player. Other teams like the Flames tried to do this at the Draft, apparently.

      • Cedric

        Matt Read?

      • KJ

        Agreed. It’s not so much about Lecavilier but what else is in the deal

  • Max2166

    No to Vincent Lecavalier. His best years are behind him.

  • Jakester

    WHATS MURRAY THINKING ABOUT – HE BETTER GET US ANOTHER WINGER IF THATS THE CASE AND PLAY HIM 3LC

    • Pat D

      Why would we need another winger??

  • T K

    Here’s an ironic twist: last time I spent an afternoon with Patrice Brisebois, he got a call from Vinny. They are best friends. It’s strange how their professional career paths have mirrored each other. Early successes, then multiple teams, declining speed and skills with every year….

  • my2sens

    Let’s sweeten the pot to bring in Schenn.

  • markukihokej

    Lecavalier + Simmonds to Ottawa for Greening

  • http://@CARLOSwSPECR1 CARLOSwSPECR1

    Can’t we just annoint Turris as 1C and Zibby 2C. Smith can play 3/4C and bring up one of our younger guys to play the other C. I think we need a winger to play with Zibby and Michaelek

    • sprucesens

      wish we would have just given da costa 3c… but that ship has sailed

    • JJ

      Chiasson??

  • KJ

    Actually I could see it happening if PHI are really desperate to reaquire lecavilier’s cap space hit. Ottawa might consider it if a pick or prospect they covet comes back! In fact this is where having cap space flexibility works in the Sens favour. Yes, they take on lecavilier but we also get back something we really want in the process. Lecavilier at 2 or 2.5 mil could be a bargain.

    • FistsofNeil25

      Okay, but again what could Philly throw in the deal that would really entice Ottawa?

      • Keregan

        who did they pick with their 1st rounder this year?

        • FBP

          Travis Sanheim (D)

          • Keregan

            thanks

      • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

        Throw me their 1st next year and I’d do it…that team is always a mess.

      • KJ

        For that, I would need to read BM’s mind. :) not sure. We have coveted Couturier before. Obviously if it were him we are sending someone back. I don’t pretend to know who. Just a guess.

  • FBP

    The contract isn’t that bad if Philly eats 1.5 mil per year – 4.5, 3, 1.5, 1.5. If we get another decent piece, it’s not like we need the cap space.

  • ProfessorPower

    I’m really hoping we trade for a top end player. People keep throwing around top prospects going the other way but the market is weak right now and we can use that to our advantage. James Neal didn’t get any of Nashville stop guys: Forsberg Jones Josi.. not even Ellis. Kesler couldn’t return any super high end prospect from The Ducks: Etem DSP Rackall Lindholm..ect and Spezza returned Chiasson and futures. IMO we can make a package of prospects that a team will like without touching our core, I just saw three teams do it.

  • RUSH RLZ

    Vinny F**king Lecavalier….
    $98,073,808 career earnings on file.
    For largely a ~total bust and endless disappointment.

    Why does he not just go to his cottage this weekend, and never come back?

    $100,000,000. LOL.

    • markukihokej

      It’s funny because if they didnt take stamkos, He’d be still their 1st center, and nobody would tell that he sucks

    • sprucesens

      he was a great player for 10 years. He just declined fairly sharply. I’d still be ok with what he brings. When you look at his salary vs. some of the salaries being thrown around in the UFA market, if we could get him and a decent pick or prospect while only sending a bottom 6 or something and a lesser prospect back, I think its a no brainer. Say..
      Lecavlier +2nd for Greening 3rd? Or if they don’t want a roster player, make it prince, and the 2nd turns to a 1st? Dunno how that value should go.

  • my2sens

    So could we send Greening + One of our D over to Flyers for Lecavalier + salary, Schenn and pick?

    • FistsofNeil25

      There’s no way they are THAT desperate to shed Vinny’s contract.

      • my2sens

        Hmmm…. would prefer Simmond on our team too, but guess that won’t happen either, huh?

      • Max2166

        Yes they are. They have cap issues.

        • FistsofNeil25

          They wouldn’t give up Schenn just to get rid of Lecavalier.

          • my2sens

            They get Greening though :-)

  • Mark

    No no no. If Murray does this then it is clear we have no plan.

    • SensChirp

      It really depends what ELSE the Flyers include.

      • my2sens

        But don’t we need to move other players as well… we will have too many assets on our team??

      • AutoTurris

        Let’s play a game Chirp! Let’s see how many times you have to restate that fact until it finally sinks in with people!

        I’m at 2 so far

        • my2sens

          AT I don’t think we have a plan in place though….

      • Mark

        Simmonds…..I wish.

  • Mitchell

    I think Ottawa is taking to Philly about Giroux.

    • zippy

      dream on

    • my2sens

      We shouldn’t have released him.

    • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

      The conversation would go

      Hi I hear Giroux likes Ottawa

      Yes

      Well maybe he could come here….

      Slam

      • Mitchell

        I know it’s crazy but Murray said so himself his looking at one of the dominate something or other players in the league. And the other team is just going over what prospect they want :O

        At any right this is just a far cry

    • Max2166

      If that were to happen, all Ottawa City police officers would be looking behind.

  • Dirk-Diggler

    To Philly:
    - Gryba
    - Greening
    - 2nd (Dallas)

    To Ottawa:
    - Vinny (50%)
    - 1st 2015

    • my2sens

      Not enough coming back….

      • FBP

        What? That might be first overall.

    • AutoTurris

      I’d take it; stockpile picks in this draft baby

    • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

      Not bad…not bad….What happens if Philly retains 50% and then we buy him out? Are we buying out only 50% of his salary or does phily also have to buy him out?

    • zippy

      If you want their 1st, add Alex Guptil, and Simmonds coming back.

      • Pat D

        I dont see Philly trading Simmonds at anytime soon

        • zippy

          depends how bad they want to lose Vinny

    • Pat D

      Gryba, Greening, Prince, 2nd for Couturier, Vinny (50%), 1st

      • my2sens

        I know there’s a medicinal marijuana plant opening up in Ottawa, but…

        • Pat D

          that would be awesome^

    • John Hillier

      So to Philly, Gryba 1.25 M
      Greening 2.65 M
      and 50% of Vinny equals 2.25 M that is a total of 6.15, not sure that helps their cap issues, they would be essentially be paying Greening more then Vinny is making. I don’t know about you but I would keep Vinny.

      • FistsofNeil25

        Yeah some of these trade proposals aren’t very well thought out.

  • my2sens

    See we should have locked Giroux into the depths of Parliament and then called Philly and said we will take Lecavalier + 50% salary along with Simmonds and Schenn… and THEN we will release your captain.

  • FistsofNeil25

    Chiasson to rock #90 as a Sen.

    • markukihokej

      Booooo! I hate these big number Jerseys.

    • FBP

      Isn’t that what Spezza is wearing in Dallas?

      • FistsofNeil25

        Yep

        • http://www.modsuperstar.ca/ modsuperstar

          Why the hell doesn’t he go back to 39? That was his number before he gave it to Hasek.

    • Max2166

      Alex was born in 1990. It could be for that reason.

  • Karlsson’s Euchre Partner

    i dont understand the Sens fan… the rumour has a 20 goal scorer coming to ottawa for potential $3M / year.. to be a 2C or 3C .. i want it ! we just gave away our 1C for the future – let’s take this guy who can help in many different areas for this team!!

    we need goals to win games and it’s going to be tough to score some this year with the current line up! plus he’s played big games and won the cup … which i’m pretty sure would be a great help to the young Cs on the team..

    yes, i want giroux, schenn, simmonds and couturier – but let’s get real.. the flyers aren’t giving away those players for greening or smith or gryba!

    c’mon sens fans… give your head a shake! this team is still a couple years away from being a real contender so let’s hope BM puts the right pieces in place for the future to be bright and not just a playoff spot for next year.. but a consistent playoff spot and Stanley Cup contender!!

  • SensChirp

    Ah forget it. I just realized Lehner already wears number 40. This won’t work.

    • my2sens

      We could him # 04 and that guy could just, ya know, retire?

    • Dirk-Diggler

      I’m willing to trade our #4 to free the number up…

  • Karlsson’s Euchre Partner

    also – i have inside info that Alfie is back working out… maybe he’s the Top 6 guy that BM is looking for!! would you rather Alfie @ $5M for a year or Lecavalier??

    • my2sens

      Oh, this is going to open up a can of worms!

      • Karlsson’s Euchre Partner

        it will .. but it’s still the truth!!

    • Phil.

      Didn’t Alfie already say it’s Det or retirement?

      • SensChirp

        Alfie says a lot of things

        • Phil.

          Yes, but none of them are “I want to go back to OTT”…

      • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

        And the year before he all buy implied Ottawa or retirement.

      • Karlsson’s Euchre Partner

        hmmm… i’m not a sports agent but i think athletes do that to have teams raise the offers on contracts!?

      • Sandy

        Yes he did.
        Helene St James (whoever she is in Detroit) said that whether he plays or not, he’s still going back to live in Detroit.

    • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

      Obviously Alfie 100% of the time in Ottawa at least….real question is would he even consider it.

    • Sensnation

      They’ll pay us to take Lecavalier. We’d have to pay Alfie. I thought we moved on from him.

  • jasonontheoldsenschirp

    6 million for a 34 year old? I thought we were a cheap team lol.

    This wouldn’t make much sense unless the Flyers ate a lot of his hit.

    • Hax

      That’s exactly the rumor. That Philly would retain a huge chunk of the salary AND give us something sweet.

      • jasonontheoldsenschirp

        Philly fans are praying and hoping he leaves though. Usually not a good sign when fans of a particular player absolutely want him gone, even if it would be for peanuts lol.

        Let’s hope we can get a better center i.e. Patrik Berglund

        • Hax

          It depends on how desperate they are. If they pick up half his salary AND throw in a good asset we like then I’d do it. Assuming of course that our pro scouts feel Vinnie can still play 3C and isn’t going to be a problem in the room etc, etc.

          • ill district

            What, veteran presence from an individual who’s actually won a stanley cup? Let’s go for it. It would be good to create competition for 2nd line center duties (ZBJ VS VinneL)

          • Hax

            Right – though given his decline he might not be so great in the room anymore. I would *guess* he’s still a great leadership type guy but before I made the trade I would make damn sure he hasn’t turned bitter in his “old age”.

        • spezzerman

          funny enough, Vinny had more goals and points than bergland in less minutes and less games…

          just saying, not making an argument one way or the other.

          • jasonontheoldsenschirp

            True, but according to broadstreethockey.com [SbNation for Flyers blog], he isn’t proficient at even strength play, which is something I think the Sens need to put an emphasis on when acquiring a player.

            Read their thoughts on him here. http://www.broadstreethockey.com/2014/7/2/5865083/vincent-lecavalier-trade-flyers-predators-please

            The comments are hilarious

          • spezzerman

            Oh I get that, he is obviously on the decline. But I would take Vinny if say, a great roster player was accompanying him(or Philly’s 1st rounder) and they ate a tonne of salary.

          • jasonontheoldsenschirp

            True

  • Tyler Hawley

    I don’t get all the hate about this (IF the deal is right) why are we caring about a cap hit, provided it’s not the full cap hit for Vinny. If Philly eats a portion of the salary and we get a 2nd round pick or prospect back at the very least and have an addition by subtraction scenario by shipping out Greening then why not. It not only gives us a good veteran presence at the 3C position who can put up 15-20 goals. It’s a very low risk possible decent reward scenario, if the experiment goes very very bad Ottawa has not used any of it’s compliance buyouts (if I’m not mistaken) and other then real dollars it doesn’t have any bearing on the teams situation.

    Just my thoughts though, I’m clearly not an expert just can’t imagine it putting us behind where we already are coming into this season.

    • Sensnation

      The compliance buyouts expired this past June 30th. We’d be stuck with him for 4 years or have to buy him out ourselves like a normal buyout with cap penalties.

      • Tyler Hawley

        Ahhh okay sorry did not realize that. Thought they were only done for this year. Okay well even with that being as it is I still don’t understand the hate as long as we get a good asset back. Still a serviceable player I think maybe not at 37 and 38 years old but who knows.

      • Hax

        Too bad it’s not the old days … but still with a cap. The Flyers could basically pay us to buy Vinnie out. No cost to Melnyk and we get a free pick/prospect for our troubles.

        • Sensnation

          I think there’s a limit to how much money can exchange hands. I’m pretty sure it’s higher now with the new CBA, but I don’t think it’s quite that high.

          • Hax

            I didn’t think they could even include cash at all. The only thing they can do is retain up to 50% of the salary.

            But back in the day you could literally sell players. “I’ll give you player x for $10k in cash”.

          • Sensnation

            So how are they paying us to buy him out though? We don’t have the cash.

          • Hax

            They’re not – I said I wish it was the old days when there was no union to speak of and teams could do that sort of thing.

            Imagine if the CBA allowed teams to trade “cap space” like they do picks/players? We could offer $5M in cap space to Chicago for Hjalmarsson. So our cap would be $64M but Chicago could spend up to $74M.

            Complete fantasy of course and would pretty much ruin the whole “parity” idea.

          • Sensnation

            Ah ok, makes sense.

    • John Hillier

      Ok maybe I am looking at things wrong. But say Greening for Vinny at 50% like a lot of you are saying I cannot see why Philly would do this. I believe Vinny’s Ave Cap is 4.5 so 50% of that is 2.25 that Philly would be keeping. Add Greening at 2.65 and you are basically paying for more than what it would be to keep Vinny. Doesn’t help their Cap issues. Unless they see a guy like Greening more suited to a role they need.

  • Hax

    As Chirp has stated though, this is the TYPE of deal we should be looking into. Taking on a guy who can still play but not at the level other teams need him to. And in so doing, pry loose an asset from said team. As Melnyk himself has said (gulp): “Our cap space has value.”

    With so many teams right against the cap and with us not only well under the cap but under the rumored budget, the time is right to make this sort of deal assuming we can get the right pieces.

  • Big Lue

    NO.

    That is all.

    • jasonontheoldsenschirp

      HAHAAH!

  • Sensnation

    4 years left! Even if they eat part of the salary, we don’t want 4 years of Vinny unless the payment is a 2015 1st or one of their good players or prospects.

  • Brock

    Oh shit. Prince about to be traded.

    • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

      ???

      • Hax

        He was apparently seen being brought into a meeting with Randy Lee (or one of the braintrust).

    • Hax

      Hey if he wants out, he wants out. He must feel like there’s no room for him to break through.

      I like him and the 67s connection bumps him up a couple spots on our depth chart, but if that’s not enough to get him ahead of Hoffman and Puemple then see ya.

      • Pasky

        Agree with you. Next season we have MacArthir, Michalek, Grening & Hoffman on the main roster, and Puemple and maybe Guptill ahead of him development wise. Hard to get a chance in the NHL with that many bodies, lat alone if we add someone else as a trade.

  • Yaro

    Not gonna happen.
    If he is not traded there is a good chance he is bought out, so he won’t waive his NMC.

  • SensChirp
    • FistsofNeil25

      Maybe guys like Murray, Dorion and Lee just wanted to talk about his development lol

    • Pasky

      Here we go!

    • AutoTurris

      DAMNNNNN rumors like this get my so jacked up it’s like that one time I did cocaine

      Well, it was actually just baking soda that everyone told me was cocaine but still, these rumors get me off

    • jasonontheoldsenschirp

      Oh please.

      • SensChirp

        Ha. Anyone other than a prospect that had asked for a trade previously and that would be my reaction to. But we are in the silly season here.

    • FBP

      I saw our 2015 4th round pick roll into the same room.

    • FistsofNeil25

      This better not be Chris Stewart

      • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

        God I hope not…I do not want him on our team even if it is for free

        • FistsofNeil25

          That’s how I feel about Vinny lol

          • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

            Agreed, it would have to be a MASSIVE piece coming as compensation. Like 2015 1st round pick.

          • FistsofNeil25

            and considering not a single team was willing to give up a 2014 or 2015 1st rounder for Spezza, I don’t see Philly throwing away their first just to get rid of a player.

    • Sandy

      Maybe it was as simple as buck up. Stop whining. Get out there and work your ass off.

  • NewSensFan

    Shane noooooo!

  • Spoons

    Prince traded? on the day the Lecavalier rumour surfaces… FUCK!!!

  • boom

    Don’t mean to sound like a grumpy old man, but can you PLEASE give us non-twits (Yeah, I said it) a clue to what your tweet said?

    • Hax

      Rumours! RT @GSmi26 at dev camp, saw prince go into a private room with GM”s. Trade?

    • SensChirp

      Does it not show up if you refresh the page?

      • boom

        Nope, sorry.

    • jasonontheoldsenschirp

      CO-sign

  • whammer44

    Looks like the flyers are trolling through a beat writer. So many better options than vinny. This is just dumb.

  • jasonontheoldsenschirp

    For the record, Shane Prince is a DAMN good hockey player and is going to play in the NHL someday

    • Sensnation

      I heard he’ll play in Buffalo this year ;)

      • jasonontheoldsenschirp

        I heard that there is no proof to that ;P

        • Sensnation

          Haha

    • spezzerman

      no doubt about that, but I’d prefer to keep say Puemple, lazar, claesson over him if a prospect needs to be traded.

      • jasonontheoldsenschirp

        Or we can just keep them all haha

  • MethotToMyMadness

    Prince has been linked to wanting out, which happened mid way through last season. I think he felt he wouldn’t get NHL time in that system. That or he didn’t feel like he needed to prove himself in the AHL, not sure really. Kids like that, appear to me as being spoiled and he would have been the first guy in our system I’d try to move, just because of it. And he would get us a good return, as part of a package.

    • jasonontheoldsenschirp

      Proof?

      • MethotToMyMadness

        You want proof, then go back through the SensChirp articles and look at the one Chirp posted.

        • jasonontheoldsenschirp

          We’ll see if it happens. It would be too bad, that’s for sure, cuz the guy is talented as hell

          • MethotToMyMadness

            I agree, was very happy with the Sens drafted him.

          • RUSH RLZ

            Yeah and it would be cool to have “King Karl”, “The Prince”, Marc “The Joker” Methot then bring in Queen Lundquist as a backup to Robin in a couple of seasons.

    • Hax
      • MethotToMyMadness

        Thanks Hax!

    • aegiszx

      Meh but at the same time, you gotta empathize. Why would you stay with an organization that’s packed with competition knowing that your chance to move up the ladder is very slim? It’s like in life, you don’t have to stay at your current job… Hockey is a business for both sides. He’s open to furthering his progress wherever he wants and he clearly doesn’t see a future with us?

      • Sandy

        Well you could have the character to work your ass off to move yourself up the ladder over the players that are ahead of you.

        • Hax

          If Shane doesn’t think he can be better than Colin Greening or Mike Hoffman then he’s never going to make it.

          I doubt he really expects anything to be handed to him – if he and his agent feel he’s got a better shot of making an NHL career for himself in another org that’s fine.

  • MethotToMyMadness

    Having a few discussions with guys at work about what will happen this up coming season. Lots of talk about the teams, but most importantly who will finish around the bottom 5 of the standings when it comes to the draft, with the best shot at McDavid. Many of the guys expect Ottawa to be in bottom feeder category with a good chance. Now this is coming from 2 Sens fan, a Bruin and Habs fan, excluding myself. These guys are NHL fans so the views are not all rose colored. Myself however, I see a very similar year to this past season (as the roster is today), very up and down. I’m thinking we may end up anywhere from 7th to 14th, more than likely just missing the playoffs.

    While I don’t know many other names on the list in 2015, there is one that we Ottawa folk do know, and he will be in that draft, Travis Konecny. Personally, after seeing how this kid worked his butt off with the 67′s and gaining the OHL Rookie of the year, I’d have no problem with Konecny being an Ottawa Senator. I started looking online at some Draft mocks for next year, and found this site http://www.draftsite.com/nhl/mock-draft/2015/. I have no idea who owns it, or how much work they put into it, but they have TK going at 18th overall by Philly. Oddly enough, they also have the Sens picking 10th.

    I mean, if Ottawa continues to do what they do, which is try to be as competitive as possible, squeezing into the playoffs, they will be a position they often find themselves in, picking somewhere mid way. WIth Ottawa’s draft history, it’s not always bad, but if that’s how it goes down, who do you see Ottawa going for?

  • Spoons

    Scratch that Prince rumour. It`s from some random twitter guy.Prince probably had an equipment malfunction and murray was in the vicinity. Made a rumour out of it… Carry on, people…

    • AutoTurris

      NOOOOOO ARE YOU KIDDING ME, I ALREADY SOLD MY HOUSE THIS IS HORSE SHIT

    • SensChirp

      I wouldn’t “scratch” it for that reason. Also wouldn’t bet the farm on it.

      Prince does make sense though both because he has asked for a trade in the past and Tim Murray likes him. So, we’ll see.

      • MethotToMyMadness

        Maybe he’s off to Buffalo then, and we end up with Hodgson, ;)

        • jasonontheoldsenschirp

          Ok this I like.

      • FistsofNeil25

        That probably means Stewart/Stafford then if that’s the case.

  • jasonontheoldsenschirp

    Chirp’s just likes to stir the pot a little bit on here sometimes hehe ;)

  • Sensnation

    There ain’t no hype train like a Sens fan hype train!

    • EK65

      ‘Cause the Sens hype train don’t stop!

  • FistsofNeil25

    So Ken Warren claims that several sources have given him information on Lecavalier and supposedly Ottawa’s interest is real. I imagine his sources would be from the Sens.

    • FBP

      Ottawa Citizen and TSN1200 folk are tweeting positively about the Lecavalier contract/trade rumour. It’s a little weird.

    • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

      yeah just read that too….ugggg

    • SensChirp

      Tim Panaccio is well plugged in on the Flyers side too. Pretty confident these discussions have happened.

      • FistsofNeil25

        Bruce Garrioch@SunGarrioch

        Lecavalier has four years left at $4.5 million. #Sens don’t want that whole contract and the Flyers don’t want to eat $2 million.

        If negotiations have gone this far then is it safe to assume that Lecavalier would agree to waive his NMC for Ottawa?

        • Sensnation

          Why is it safe to say that? We negotiated ALL THE WAY with Nashville before they found out he wouldn’t waive.

          • FistsofNeil25

            and that was just a massive waste of everyone’s time and effort.

          • Sensnation

            You look at it that way, but it’s actually how BM set his price in the market. It’s how GMs work all the time. We did that with Heatley before and I’m sure others.

        • spezzerman

          I’d imagine he would welcome a trade out if he wasnt wanted. Different from say, a Thornton situation where he was told when he was signing extension with Sharks were going to need him to win a cup.

    • RUSH RLZ

      Well after that Hartnell trade, it is clearly evident that Hextall is brain damaged. Let’s capitalize and see what other play we can swing in this. My vote is for Matt Read.

      • MethotToMyMadness

        Simmonds all the way!! Make it happen Murray!

        • Stephane Cantin

          i would trade half our team for simmonds

    • Sandy

      I really don’t like to hear that. He is terrible.

  • Max2166

    But I thought he would have a list of teams he would not play for.

    • Hax

      Vinnie has a full NMC. His list of teams is every team. He gets veto rights on any trade (or “move” for that matter – including being waived).

      • Max2166

        Thanks for the information.

  • Hax

    If Philly is looking at options with Vinnie there’s no question in my mind they’d put a call into Bryan Murray. See what Murray would need to make a deal etc. Doesn’t mean either side pulls the trigger or Vinnie waives etc, etc … but I would almost expect that Philly would at least check with Murray and other teams to see if they had any interest.

  • Guest

    I just want want Greening out god damn

  • NewSensFan

    I just want Greening out god damn!

    • SensChirp

      Second time, with feeling!

  • Pugnacious Serf

    I think you stay away from Vinny, roll with Turris, Zib and Smith; give Pageau, Hoffman or Lazar a shot at #4 C. See what they can do and if the experiment doesn’t work you’ve got a lottery pick for McDavid. Vinny will take up quality ice time the next gen Sens need to grow.

  • Pugnacious Serf

    Could we end up taking on Vinny and something else, keeping the something else and either buy Vinny out or trade him with his lower salary against the cap?

    • Hax

      Doubt it, but I think technically we could trade him again and retain part of what’s left of his salary.

    • RUSH RLZ

      Funny I was going to ask the exact same thing. What are the rules about trading for a player then trading them away again. Someone did it on the 1st, I can’t remember who though.

      • John Hillier

        Tampa did it with Gagne from Edmonton, then to Arizona

        • RUSH RLZ

          Ding ding ding! Winner!

  • MethotToMyMadness

    Honestly, as bad as it sounds because he’s 34, and being paid 6 mil, Lecavalier is a solid vet presence and he would help with some of the lost Spezza production. He is also still considered a big threat on the PP, which is something we’ll need. If Philly eats a good portion of the contract, and we can dump someone like Greening (who everyone has wanted to see gone for a year now) and provides a good prospect/pic in the return, it isn’t all bad, we do have the cap space.

    • AutoTurris

      If the second part of deal is good enough and we have Greening going the other way, I say take it. Only thing is, Vinny is a minus player in a bad way. One of the only years he was + he had a 108 points and was stil only +2. On a team so riddled with poor defensive play, is he worth it, taking his 20 goals into account

      • Hax

        Greening won’t be going the other way unless another NHL player is coming to us. The whole motivation for Philly is cap room.

      • Sensnation

        Ya that d of his is a mess. I’m really hoping this isn’t happening.

    • John Hillier

      Where is this 6 million coming from? I believe his current salary is 4.5 million. The other 2 is from the buyout correct? which Philly or any other team really shouldn’t be concerned with.

      • FistsofNeil25

        4.5M cap hit for the next four years but his contract is structured to pay him 6M, 4.5M, 3M and 3M in salary.

        • John Hillier

          Ahhh got it,

        • John Hillier

          I was reading on HB…I know I know, but there was a post that Vinny received a 2 million bonus payout on his salary for this year on the 1st. Do we know if that is correct and does that make his salary 4 million for this year versus the 6?

      • Hax

        Cap hit is $4.5M. His salary this coming season is $6M.

    • Sandy

      20 goals and 37 points last year in 69 games. -16 plus/minus.
      His last year in Tampa, the lockout season, was better at 10 goals and 32 points in 39 games and was a -5.
      I just hope and pray he is not the trade Murray was referring to.
      This, to me, looks like a panic move.

  • NewSensFan

    Chirp, what’s the scoop on Center David Legwand?

    • Max2166

      NHLSourcesSay on Twitter are saying that the Oilers have made an offer to Legwand.

      • Sandy

        So that’s Ottawa, Tor, Buff, Edm.
        Which team would have the edge?

        • FistsofNeil25

          He’s probably hoping an actual good team steps up with an offer if he wants to make the playoffs.

          • spezzerman

            if he can put up his usual 50pts he’d be a nice trade chip at the deadline…

  • FistsofNeil25

    It’s going to be Ryan + Greening for Lecavalier + Schenn + Read.

    • RUSH RLZ

      You forgot to say BOOK IT!

    • Hax

      Don’t forget Prince and salary retained and 2015 first round picks and a partridge in a pear tree.

      • FistsofNeil25

        Yep and I think we;ll have to throw Condra and Couturier into the deal.

    • Sensnation

      Ryan? What?

      • FistsofNeil25

        Obviously not being serious.

        • RUSH RLZ

          Well.. we all damn well knew forever ago that Bobby wants to plays for the Flyers, so if there is any team he signs with that is not us, it has got to be them.

          So if we can’t get the kid signed, Flyers would be the obvious choice to maximize value back since they would be confident to resign him. Plus Ronny is looking to make a massive tidal wave of a splash.

          • FistsofNeil25

            I’m actually in favor of trading Ryan lol

          • Zelle

            Only if we get Simmonds or Reads…

          • FistsofNeil25

            I’d take Schenn or Couturier as well. Definitely before Reads. Ryan + a depth piece for Schenn+Reads would be a nice trade for Ottawa.

          • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

            If Ryan legitimately wants to go there and nowhere else why would they waste their time trading assets?

          • FistsofNeil25

            What if we trade him to Pitt instead and he prefers to play as Sid’s wing-man for the next 5+ years?

          • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

            We could, but he is still only under contract for one year. There is far too much speculating in regards to him. He said once in passing he would like to play for Philly

          • Hax

            He can agree to an extension as part of any trade.

          • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

            Again, he can, he doesn’t have too.

          • Hax

            True – just saying the “one year left” isn’t a huge deterrent. Of course it does essentially mean Ryan can choose where he wants to go (i.e. which teams he’ll extend with and therefore which teams will offer the most). Then the flipside is that teams may feel they can wait until he’s a UFA.

            Like the Spezza situation though, all we would need it two teams that feel they’re serious contenders for his services to create a bidding war.

          • RUSH RLZ

            Sometimes you want/need the player now. Ask Rutherford why he gave up the 8th overall, Brandon Sutter and a prospect for Staal a couple of years ago.

          • Zelle

            Oh yes I like that too!

          • Hax

            He’s in his last year – so teams can extend him before the trade is official if they want (and if Murray allows it).

            Philly still does make the most sense though.

  • A-Train

    Is Bobby Ryan somehow involved in this?

    • Pugnacious Serf

      I hope to baby jebus no.

  • AutoTurris

  • A-Train

    I’m scared.

  • Sensnation

    Turns out Prince just has problems with laces and they will get him fitted for Velcro skates.

  • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

    TSN refresh
    Twitter refresh
    Senschirp refresh
    nhl.com refresh

    UGGGGGGG

    • RUSH RLZ

      A potched watt never boils!

  • jasonontheoldsenschirp

    Honestly I’d rather see Shane Prince start on the roster this season than Colin Greening…

    • ChiassonDownTheCup

      I have never read something that I so completely and wholeheartedly agree with.

      • RUSH RLZ

        Hug it out boys. Hug it out.

        For the record I agree with yas and also “I just want Greening out god damn!” guy.

        • my2sens

          You only agree because you want a hug!

  • AutoTurris

    Throw us a fucking bone over here Tim, give us Hodgson.

    • RUSH RLZ

      He is the worst possible trade partner. He knows our assets inside and out we don’t know shit about the cards he is holding…

      • Sensnation

        He’s holding 4 cards, Hodgson, 2015 1st, Myers and Stewart. We know all we need to know about those options.

        • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

          I would take the first 3…no chance on Stewart

  • Aaron 2.0

    Not going to get too up and down about rumours until a trade actually happens. Thoughts on possible move will probably be based on what other players are moved, and if salary is retained by PHI. But, just rumours, so who knows.

    • RUSH RLZ

      Oh look. “Calm Guy”. Don’t be that guy! Panic and get excited, hopes up, heart palpitations, etc it is far more interesting!

  • JRMcPeeWee

    In other news “KOVALEV ANNOUNCES RETIREMENT FROM PROFESSIONAL HOCKEY”
    I thought he retired in Montreal

  • RUSH RLZ

    Nice we just re-signed that Dziurzynski guy from “The Office” to a two year, two way dealio.

  • FBP

    So is Prince still in that room or what?

    • Brock

      Velcro takes a long time to get set up.

  • Hax

    Didn’t Murray have a rumored strategy last summer of offering one-year deals to guys with the promise that he’d trade them to a contender at the deadline?

  • Phoenix

    If Vinny is indeed in play I hope that Murray convinces them to retain 50% of the salary. 2.25 per year is a reasonable price tag to carry. I also hope that Murray is able to pick up Coburn as I think he would really help the top 4. I suspect though he will be looking at some younger players.

  • BMurray

    Pretty sure (meaning i did) I mentioned Lecavalier to Ottawa before, and got laughed at
    It just makes sense from our side if philly eats a portion of his contract, whould no one here not want lecavalier at 3 mill per… thats a bargain.

    He will still get us 50 points min, or would you rather greening,

    I dont think this is bad. I would then look at moving Smith or and greening

    • my2sens

      Back to the phones Murray, you’ve seen what we want, now make it happen.

    • EK65

      Well it hasn’t happened yet, don’t be tootin your own horn yet. Phlly doesn’t want to retain any salary in the trade. If the deal happens under those parameters (it won’t) it will be a joke and laughed at.

      • BMurray

        Well if philly retained 1 million only i would make the deal, i believe he already got paid 2 million of his 6 for this year in bonus…. so would esentially cost the sens 11.5million for the next 4 years…

        Vinny and 2nd for 3rd/4th

    • JRMcPeeWee

      Greening yes but not Smith

    • Sensnation

      He hasn’t played a full season in 4 years, and was short of 50 pt pace last year. I don’t think we can take it for granted he will reach that mark going forward.

    • MethotToMyMadness

      Personally I’d rather Legwand, if we are looking at aging C’s with potential, if he is an option. He’s one year younger, age isn’t the biggest factor, but I just like what he brings to the table as a 2nd or 3rd line C and he doesn’t have the nagging injuries that VC has struggled with. Legwand knows his role and provides a ton of leadership. My only concern is he’s an FA and we’d probably pay more for that. But VC at 3 Mil, if the salary is eaten by Philly is hard to turn away.

  • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

    Ahhh I just panicked my twitter feed said there was 12 new messages! nothing important though!

  • karlssens

    I hate speculating lol, just give us a signing or trade to digest and talk about for a month ahah!

  • bluebuyyoo

    Looking at some Flyer message boards and they can’t believe that Ottawa being under the cap actually wants Philly to retain salary on VL. Comments about cheap ownership, bottom feeding team and why would anyone sign in Ottawa are flying everywhere.

    • Brock

      They ain’t lying.

    • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

      And they aren’t wrong

      • RUSH RLZ

        I disagree. In this case Vinny isn’t worth his current contract. The fact that we are cheap has little to do with they really should eat some of it anyways.

        • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

          Oh I agree with you, but nothing they are saying is inaccurate. It may not be totally truthful in regards to “our” reasons…but it is 100% fact.

          • RUSH RLZ

            Oh yeah I agree with you totally. Coincidental correctness though.

          • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

            Agree with your agreement!

    • Sensnation

      Like it’s our fault they signed him to this contract after he was bought out by Tampa?

    • FistsofNeil25

      So pretty much what a lot of Sens fans say about their own team? lol

    • esk

      wahh then keep his garbage contract. They dont want to keep his ridic contract but want us to take it instead.. cause we are under the cap? i dont see the logic there..typical flyer fans

      • RUSH RLZ

        Whoa! Whoa! He did score 20 goals last year, former Captain, great leadership, Canadian kid…

        Just gotta realize he is a shadow of his former self in the production dept, but he’s probably crack out Top 4 goal scorers next year, depending where he is used.

    • runningbear1974

      signing VL is doing them a favour… They’re not doing us a favour…

  • Sandy

    Bruce Garrioch @SunGarrioch · 45m

    Lecavalier has four years left at $4.5 million. #Sens don’t want that whole contract and the Flyers don’t want to eat $2 million.

  • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

    http://www.thescore.com/nhl/news/531936

    Apparently they don’t want to retain any more than 1 mil

    • Sandy

      Then no deal.

    • RUSH RLZ

      So we want 2, they want 1… pound it to 1.5 and call it a day. Most people learn that is Grade 6.

      • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

        The money isn’t the sticking point for me. I want to know what the actual compensation for taking him off their hands is.

      • RUSH RLZ

        Oh wait…. Melnyk… That half a million if we spend it now, we wont be able to pro rate it between and Murray won’t be able to afford that $2M player to boost our playoff drive at the deadline!

        Hahaha! *sobs hysterically*

    • runningbear1974

      Ottawa can’t rescue the teams that overypay… Let them pay the price for their bad financial decisions…

      • sprucesens

        that’s what we’re doing, by forcing them to add a good pick or prospect while giving them cap room. basically, say… Lecav +2nd for 3rd or 4th

  • Sandy

    Darren Dreger @DarrenDreger · 1m

    Leafs have agreed to a 1 year deal with Mike Santorelli, $1.5 mil.

    Apparently Detroit was in on him as well.
    Takes the Leafs out of the Legwand negotiations

    • FistsofNeil25

      judging by the way Mac T is throwing around money I bet he ends up in Edmonton. They’re overpaying everyone this summer.

  • Sandy

    Travis Yost @TravisHeHateMe · 2h

    Estimated average age for roster next season in Ottawa is 25.8…

    Yikes, that’s young.

    • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

      a full year younger than the youngest last year!

      COME ON VINNY!!!

    • KingKarlsson84 – RSU is pathet

      It’s on the right side of 30 at least

    • Sensnation

      I’m curious, is that with or without Lazar?

  • I’m just sayin’
    • runningbear1974

      nice one… Lets avoid the guys that worry too much about money… They’ll get their millions anyway… Stick to character guys…

      • WaitingSince92

        You know, not to nitpick, but a lot of “character guys” seem to love money too, or at least get really, really high salaries.

        • runningbear1974

          Well… Sens will need to focus on “character guys” that don’t want/need the most they can get…

          It sucks for me thinking that Alfie and Spezza made over 60 million from Ottawa, and they still resent us for not getting more… I just don’t understand… Gretzky apparently refused a deal because it was too much money… Now everyone is entitled to more money than they can spend… Insane…

          • zippy

            I don’t get it either. And never will.

            If I had their money, I wouldn’t be buying Porches and sh*t, i can tell you THAT.

            I’d be donating to Special Needs (Autism, Down Syndrome education), helping people with real problems

          • zippy

            Karlsson goes to promos all the time helping raise money for Sens Foundation and Autism. Respect him like crazy for that

          • zippy

            Sorry for the downer. You just got me started. Back to you regular scheduled programming.

            GO REDBLACKS!!

          • cups

            or building your own porch and giving your summers to charities for kids and those less fortunate than you.

            sry, couldn’t keep my mouth shut

          • WaitingSince92

            Insane? PFFFFFFFFFffffffffft

            If my bosses were earning increasingly more billions, I’d want a bigger piece of the pie too. In your world I suppose every player earns $1m, the owners take the rest…

          • runningbear1974

            I’m not saying take minimal money… I’m saying relax, don’t go for the most amount… In my world there’s not much difference between 6 million and 8 million…
            Like I said before… Why is it okay for Alfie to try and get the MOST amount of money possible from the citizens of Ottawa, but it’s NOT okay for the owner to try and get the MOST amount of money possible… If that philosophy is okay, then it’s okay for everyone…

          • WaitingSince92

            I heard Toews wants 12m/year on his next deal. Either he’s raising his demands as the cap rises, or Chicago should get rid of that money-grubbing slacker for “someone with ‘character’”.

          • zippy

            I just hope they give a little back.

          • Lemondish

            They never said they resented Ottawa for never getting more.

            When they ask for a commitment from ownership to win, they don’t mean to up their salary. They mean they want ownership to actively take steps to surround our elite players with the talent necessary to win. Talent costs money.

  • SensChirp

    Haha this is getting weird…
    UPDATE. All the GM’s and scouts are gathered around GMBM who is on the phone currently

    https://twitter.com/GSmi26/status/484772357366509568

    • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

      hahahaha….strange

    • sprucesens

      YAY, I wanna know, I’m on lunch for 30 mins, keep us posted!!

    • spezzerman

      is this guy a trusted source?

      • SensChirp

        I have no idea who he is haha

    • BMurray

      Prince to Philly for Lecavalier+???

    • FBP

      I hope this ends with a pile of fist pumps, cheering and a group hug.

    • FistsofNeil25

      I think this guy is full of shit. It’s a good way to get some twitter follows.

      • SensChirp

        Haha I’ve demanded photos. For the record, I did confirm that Prince was taken off the ice from someone else at Camp.

        • FistsofNeil25

          Now that’s interesting.

        • Sandy

          Wasn’t that a skate issue Chirp?

      • jasonontheoldsenschirp

        Ya like who the heck is this guy????

      • I’m just sayin’

        Remeber the guy back at the trade deadline who was giving us “scoops” because he claimed to work in the office next to BM ?

        Same clown I suspect.

        • FistsofNeil25

          what was that guys’ username again? I forget. I remember we busted him when he said Murray hasn’t left his office in hours, yet BM had just done an interview in Edmonton or Calgary or wherever it was lol

          • sprucesens

            gds

          • FistsofNeil25

            Interesting how this guys name is Graeme Smithers. Could the D stand for David or Daniel perhaps.

            gds

          • sprucesens

            …god damn sumabitch? pardon the language chirp, edit if need be

          • Sensnation

            Haha, would be funny if this forum fell for the same guy over and over.

          • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

            Just sent this

            Tim ‏@stanko32 4s

            @GSmi26 @BuffSportsFan90 @SensChirp:disqus Are you the same joker that was GDS before and claimed murray hadn’t left his office but was out west?

    • boom

      I assume the scouts are Ottawa’s – I don’t understand why other GM’s would be there….?

      • bluebuyyoo

        Likely means Ottawa AGMs.

        • boom

          That makes sense. Sorry, slow day for my brain I guess…

    • ChiassonDownTheCup

      He just tweeted that he is a trained scout – so he’s definitely legit…right?

      • spezzerman

        well, since he tweeted it….

      • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

        His twitter picture looks like a 18 year old

        • ChiassonDownTheCup

          I think we can all agree that if Prince ends up getting traded in the next few hours…this guy will be offered a job at the Ottawa Sun.

          • SensChirp

            Or here.

          • EK65

            He clearly has his finger on the pulse of Sens news! Chirp, you’re about to be out of a job! haha

          • my2sens

            Yeah well Hot 89.9 is still the New Hot 89.9…. so ‘new’ is a relative term.

          • EK65

            He also said “new to this Twitter thing”

            Guy has 1,200 tweets, and almost 100 followers… haha

    • Sensnation

      This guy has been hiding in the file cabinet in Murray’s office for a week, someone bring him a sandwich!

    • spezzerman

      A domino’s guy is going to show up in, Melnyk hopes, 31 minutes.

      • FistsofNeil25

        lol yeah they were just putting in their lunch orders with BM.

    • Jakester

      Murray do the right thing

    • my2sens

      BM just got an early release iPhone 6 and everyone is itching to see it. That is all.

    • Mike

      Chirp any word on Lecavalier?

  • SensFanInMTL

    Forget Lecavalier, phuck. These rusty, spare parts aren’t winning us the Cup this year and for by now I think it’s well documented that we won’t be winning it in the next couple years. I’d rather see the last 3 lines being all young guys, get thrown to the wolves and build off that experience for the prosperous years to come. Blow up the team, put guys on waivers, whatever. I’d suspect Puempel makes it out of camp. Along with he, there might be only a half dozen from the 2011 draft of prospects in the first 1st round to not have played yet with guys like Saad who was taken in the 2nd round and has already played a couple of seasons. I don’t think there would be anymore delay than supposed to. Someone mentioned Prince getting a spot over Greening. I’m ok with that. I mean, we’re not winning the Cup next season. Let our young guys get some NHL time. Then again Murray is the phone by all accounts right? We’ll just have to see then.

    MacArthur – Turris – Ryan
    Chaisson? – Zibanejad – Stone?
    Puempel – Lazar – Prince?
    Condra – Smith – Neil

    ???????????

    • sprucesens

      what if trading for Lecav gets us another top prospect or early draft pick in an strong draft this year, so that if we do crash playing mostly young players, we have even more depth? ESPECIALLY if they retain salary, I’m more than ok with it. You could still have your lines, just take prince out, move lazar to wing and have lecav as 3rd C. then move greening to Chicago for whatever it is they want to send our way

      • spezzerman

        yeah, lecavalier isnt the target here

      • Sandy

        The issue I have with Lecavalier other than his play has gone downhill, is that it’s a 4 yr contract.
        Are the Sens prepared to do that?
        Please don’t like this trade include Bobby Ryan.

  • Don Ciccio

    Imo if Lecavalier or Legwand joins us then that would probably mean that Smith is on his way out. No way they keep Smith as a 4th line center. Maybe we could package Smith and Cowen for Hjalmarsson…….Don’t want to give up on Cowen but Hjalmarsson is what we need.
    Mac Arthur – Turris – Chiasson
    Michalek – Zibanejad – Ryan
    Hoffman – Lecavalier – Stone
    Greening – Pageau – CondraLazar Neil (Remember that line in the playoffs)
    Hjalmarsson – Karlsson
    Methot – Ceci
    Wiercioch – Gryba/Phillips

    • ChiassonDownTheCup

      Cowen and Smith is WAY too much to give up for Hjalmarsson. Cowen has had one bad season coming off injury – still think he will be a solid top four. Smith is the prototypical 3rd line center – and he is young. Doubt they want to move him and keep and aging Legwand or Lecavalier.

      • sprucesens

        interesting name…. well done

      • Mat

        Trading Smith is a bad idea no matter what way you swing it. He’s one of only 2 forwards with a minimal amount of grit. And Neil is fading. I think that that alone gives him leverage to stay in Ottawa..

    • Sandy

      Why would Smith be on his way out?
      Turris
      Zibby
      Legwand/Lecavalier
      Smith
      They wanted Lazar to start on the wing, so with that he would get that chance.

      • Don Ciccio

        Because PM does not see him as a 4th line center….It also gives them the opportunity to upgrade on defense by using Smith as a bargaining chip.

    • Rafi Bomb

      Smith and Cowen are worth way more than Hjalmarsson. That isn’t even close to being fair value. The Sens get hosed here.

    • Big Lue

      Why wouldn’t we keep Smith as 4th line center? That’s been his role here for his whole career, with a few small stints on line 3.

      • Don Ciccio

        Have you paid attention to his ice time? Not 4th line minutes.

        • Big Lue

          That’s because our 4th line plays more than other organizations. Last year we had:

          3rd line: Hoffman-Zib-Condra

          4th line: Greening-Smith-Neil

          Both lines got similar work loads because our third line is young. That doesn’t mean smith is a third liner, it means he’s on a 4th line that plays more than the NHL average.

          • Don Ciccio

            Have you ever heard Maclean talk about Smith being their 3rd line centre because I have.

  • IcySurfas

    Vinny Lecavalier has a Full NMC. Did I miss something?

    • sprucesens

      maybe he waives to come here? they have to move somebody that has high dollars. Probably have easier options, but we’ll see.

      • IcySurfas

        We know Philly wants to move him and all, but it all starts with Vinny’s wishes and his NMC. Alot of info we don’t know yet.

    • Hax

      Players sometimes waive their NMC or NTC.

      • IcySurfas

        Yes, I realize players can waive their clauses, Im just saying that as far as I have read, there hasnt been any indication that Vinny even wants to waive. He very well could … but I just havent heard anything about it yet.

        • Hax

          True but I can’t imagine Philly would waste time talking with other GMs if Vinnie hasn’t at least indicated he’s open to a trade of some sort.

          • RUSH RLZ

            And… if word gets out he refused a trade… I mean this is Philly we are talking about. They booooo SANTA!

  • EK65

    I think Murray did an experiment. Told everyone to huddle around and look serious and they watched as Twitter exploded.

    Some people just want to watch the world burn.

  • SensChirp

    So I was able to confirm that Prince was indeed taken off the ice although that doesn’t necessarily mean trade. Could be a minor injury. Also, from other people at the camp, Sens Management did seem to be pretty active, all on their phones.

    Again, who isn’t on their phone these days??

    Anyway…ya. What I do know is that the Senators are working on something. Doesn’t mean it’s imminent and doesn’t mean Shane Prince is involved. But…maybe?

    • my2sens

      HA HA HA!! You sound like a weatherman or politician!

    • ChiassonDownTheCup

      The Sens signed Aaron Johnson – I really hope I didn’t just spend my afternoon on pins and needles for Aaron Johnson…

    • Phil.

      Thanks for checking Chirp.
      Maybe they’re all calling in to some radio contest…name that song!

  • NickofTime

    I would much rather sign David Legwand on had 51 pts last yr, he would replace some of the pts we lost when Spezza was dealt & he could play on our 2nd line.

  • RUSH RLZ

    Incarcerated Bob IBN @incarceratedbob Oh boy Twitter is about to break now…

    Probably a bigger sport he is about to break news, likely NBA but… we’ll see!

    • FistsofNeil25

      It’s going to be a blockbuster. Ryan+Zibanejad+Prince for Johansen+Jenner+Wennberg.

    • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

      Lebron James not returning to heat

      • FistsofNeil25

        If there’s big sports news that would crash twitter it would probably be Lebron related.

        • RUSH RLZ

          You guys are right, sounds like he is heading to the Lakers. That’s fine by me, we already have a King. King Karl.

          • FistsofNeil25

            You mean he’s not going to the Raptors? damn!

      • Sandy

        It’s basketball.. who cares

  • I’m just sayin’
  • WaitingSince92

    In case anyone was wondering what the actual numbers are in terms of spending correlating to results. Pretty comprehensive, straightforward article:

    http://senshot.com/2013/07/07/do-you-need-to-spend-to-win-in-todays-nhl/

  • EHMatt

    Oh yeah because having Lecavalier on the team is totally spending wisely. Way to go Eugene!

  • MethotToMyMadness

    Dave Dziurzynski Re-signed to a two-year contract

    • Rafi Bomb

      Both years are two way. I guess they feel he still has a fair amount of developing left and he is confident that he can either earn a spot or is okay with being developed further.

  • MethotToMyMadness

    Bingo needs D with Boro leaving and the guys they didn’t resign. So Johnson makes sense.

    • I’m just sayin’

      Aaron Johnsaon = this year’s bargain bin acquisition ?

      • MethotToMyMadness

        It’s a Bingo signing, replacing others. When you are filling holes in your farm team, bargain bin acquisitions are a must.

        • I’m just sayin’

          lots of NHL games played on his resume – so he could be an emergency call up methinks

  • runningbear1974

    Ottawa should stick to character guys… This is hockey… Add players that actually enjoy skating, some guys out there, it looks like they hate skating… They hate going fast, changing directions, and stopping… Also, this is a contact sport… Add players that actually enjoy hitting and being hit… Don’t want guys avoiding all the tough areas… Don’t want guys that get angry when they get hit… It’s fun… For some players… Get those guys… I don’t think Lecavalier enjoys skating, or hitting, or being hit… Lets get real hockey players… No more 1-dimensional players please…

  • esk

    Team1200: Stewart for prince (rumour)

    • FBP

      They’re saying it’s done?

      Edit – Good edit.

      • FistsofNeil25

        They said no such thing. They’re talking about the Finnish dude Toronto signed.

        • esk

          they were talking about it like ten mins ago.

      • esk

        nono one of the guys thinks thats the trade..just a rumour

        • SensChirp

          Can you edit the original post. Thanks

    • FistsofNeil25

      Don’t do that.

    • Mike

      Stewart for Prince? Nooooo

      • Sandy

        Don’t need Stewart. Don’t want Stewart.

        But sooner Stewart than Lecavalier.

        • Rafi Bomb

          Stewart has some decent upside. The Sens would have to be banking off MacLean’s ability to elevate Stewart’s game.

          With that said, Stewart isn’t really a premier forward nor is he the overtly physical power forward that everyone thinks he is. He is a big goal scorer who can skate well and is a pretty good fighter.

    • Hax

      lame

    • Mat

      ???

    • spezzerman

      old rumour that doesnt make any sense

    • ProfessorPower

      Not too bad, Stewart isn’t exactly the impact player I’m talking about but he would be a much cheaper option than a guy like Kane. Stewart is really liked in the dressing room, and on a contract year could be a good pickup. Nobody had anything bad to say when he was coming up in Colorado, I don’t think the Blues and Hitchcock was a good fit. You never know what a guy will play like if he’s on a team he gels with..I think Paul Maclean could work wonders with the guy. Has a lot of tools and is still young. Sticks up for his teammates as well, could play with ZIb..Zib always plays better with guys who have a little more grit.

      Macarthur-Turris-Ryan
      Stewart-Zibanejad-Stone
      Michalek-Lazar-Chiasson
      Greening-Smith-Neil

    • ChiassonDownTheCup

      The Team1200 doesn’t exist anymore. Nor has anyone even talked about Stewart or Prince.

  • Big Lue

    We just signed Aaron Johnson as a Depth defenseman, could a D be on the way out in a trade??

    • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

      Bingo depth

      • FistsofNeil25

        Yeah they let go of Eckford and Blood. Had to replace one of them.

        • MethotToMyMadness

          And Boro is on a 1 way this season!

          • Sensnation

            We need an over/under line for Boro’s NHL games played this season.

      • Big Lue

        Yea I agree, but maybe this allows us to promote Boro meaning we can move a body on D… We have 8 NHL D-men right now

    • Mike

      Could be what defensemen do you think it is Cowen or maybe Wiercioch?

      • Rafi Bomb

        Wiercioch

      • Big Lue

        Phillips!…I wish. Then he could retire and work his Big Rig restaurant. Do one thing well Chris, not two things in mediocre fashion!

    • Hax

      Not sure it changes things much but it does add 1% or so IMO. I think they’ve been planning to trade away an NHL defenseman for a while now though.

  • Sandy

    The 6th Sens @6thSens · 33m

    Losing Spezza and trying to replace him with Lecavalier would be akin to decision to replace Heatley with Kovalev.

    • spezzerman

      Jesus. Lecavalier is not coming here to replace Spezza. they would be using him to get something better to come with him. 6thSens guy needs to relax.

      I know doom and gloom is all the rage but you could look at this as a positive in the sense that they are willing to take on bad money to help the team. he is only coming here if it is for a fraction of his actual cost and with a better piece accompanying him.

      • runningbear1974

        we still need to limit the number of bad players on the team…

        • Mike

          Like Greening lol

          • runningbear1974

            exactly… we already have a bunch of bad ones, lets not add anymore…
            Although, I might be the only person in the world who thinks Greening is not as bad as people are saying… But, I do think he’s a dumb player… And I hate dumb players… I hate entitled players even more though…

          • Mike

            Lecavalier is not bad granted he is not what he used to be but he is not bad and couldn’t this team look at it from a leadership standpoint, I mean he has won a cup and knows what it takes to win and as a good of a leader Phillips may be he doesn’t set a good example on the ice

          • runningbear1974

            yikes… well I don’t think like most fans… I’m very critical of players… Especially the big name players… Will Lecavalier be better than Michalek? Last year I was arguing that Michalek could be a more important player for the team than Spezza, but that got shut down by the fans… Lecavalier did win the cup, but, St-Louis and Richards were major forces on that team (and the whole league was weak for those few years, Calgary and Edmonton in the finals )…
            There is absolutely no way that Phillips is a good leader… He’s a nice guy…. Has no one played sports before? Don’t people have a sense of who is inspiring and who isn’t?

          • Hax

            “I’m very critical of players” – you don’t say.

          • runningbear1974

            I was just listening to Gretzky “Sometimes the coach has his way of seeing things, and sometimes I have a different way of seeing things”… Gretzky does what Gretzky does…
            I was also just looking at Mario Lemieux’ numbers… 200 points, minus 35…
            Anyway, to be extra critical, I don’t think either of those guys are good leaders… I actually think they’re bad leaders… Very very skilled, but not the players you want as your captain…

          • sprucesens

            did you just say you wouldn’t have wanted Lemieux or gretzky as your captain? I think I understand what you are trying to say in terms of wanting a more hard nosed captain or whatever, but having either of those players as your captain is a recipe for success. Something to the tune of 7? Stanley cups says so. But I could just be understanding you wrong

          • runningbear1974

            I think Gretzky benefited from Messier’s leadership, and Lemieux benefited from Trottier… I don’t think Gretzky or Lemieux won cups because they were the captain… Just my opinion, but i don’t think those guys were good leaders… Good skills, not good leaders…

          • Mike

            I never said, I didn’t like Phillips or that he wasn’t a good leader he just doesn’t always set a good example on the ice

          • runningbear1974

            I’m the one claiming that he can’t possibly be a good leader because of the way he plays… I’m always nervous when Phillips is on the ice, never reassured by our veterans…

        • spezzerman

          hypothetically speaking – what if the Flyers part with their 1st rounder next year? I’d welcome Vinny with open arms.

          Its not happening unless its something to that magnitude.

          • Sensnation

            Question is, are Flyers better or worse without Vinny?

          • spezzerman

            they have to get under the cap – that’s their motivation.

          • Sensnation

            I’m talking about how good their pick would be. I understand their motivation.

          • spezzerman

            oh i see, well regardless its worth getting, IMO. For the chance alone…

          • runningbear1974

            It would depend on the other moves we make… We need a certain amount of strong players, and we really need to limit the number of bad players… I think we have too many at the moment… I think Cowen is a huge liability… I think this team sinks or swims with him… If next year he’s a positive force, then we’ll be ok… If not, we’re in trouble…

          • Mike

            If the Sens get Lecavalier what other pieces do you think are involved?

      • Sensnation

        Exactly and Kovalev was the best remaining piece once we realized Heatley was for sure gone. Have to do something when you lose a key piece, no one is expecting them to replace the player.

    • Mike

      It is just a rumour though right, I mean they haven’t actually traded for him and why are they not going after Hodgson ?

      • Hax

        It’s a rumor. Semi-confirmed that the two clubs are at least discussing Vinnie but that’s it.

        And nothing says they aren’t going after Hodgson.

    • sprucesens

      I don’t think we are trying to get anyone to replace spezza. that doesn’t make sense. What we would like, is a young player who could potentially one day come close to putting up those points. The aim for a player like marleau, thornton, sharp and so on, doesn’t do much for this team right now, as it would be taking 3 steps back, by trading out young assets for aging vets. We would be taking back lecavalier to keep us competitive now, while hopefully getting a good pick or prospect back to make it worth while. Also, his money, especially if retained, is a better deal than half the UFA’s if we don’t have to give up much to get him

  • Mitchell

    Just two RFA’s to sign C Derek Grant and G Robin Lehner

  • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

    http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog.php?post_id=61131

    AND I MANAGED TO READ A WHOLE YOST POST!!!

    And I think he is pretty bang on

    • FistsofNeil25

      That’s too much money for a guy that hasn’t been a consistent player at the NHL level.

      • esk

        Greening*

      • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

        He hasn’t been allowed to be a consistent player at the NHL level…he has wanted to, and out of training camp has “won the job” multiple years running….I am sure he and his agent are pushing this.

        It has been pretty obvious that the team has been limiting his games played in an effort to minimize this contract. If they won’t give him close to 3 mil starting next season and I were him I would sign no longer than 2 years.

        • spezzerman

          oh come on now, thats not fair. Lehner has been given NHL time way earlier than most goalies drafted at the same time. Bishop, Jake Allen, etc. all put in 200ish AHL games first
          He hasnt been getting jerked around

          • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

            He has nothing else to prove in Bingo.

          • spezzerman

            he is no different than any other goalie who have had to put in their time. I’m sure they are envious of the opportunity he has had to avoid AHL

          • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

            Assuming this is accurate

            http://www.spotrac.com/rankings/nhl/goaltender/limit-200/

            I anticipate we will see a 2-3 year deal something along the lines of

            2.5 mil
            2.8 mil
            3.0 mil

            3 years gives us a good look at him, and if he plays up to what he expects I anticipate a fairly substantial raise.

          • Hax

            Except our owner doesn’t give “substantial raises”.

          • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

            K let me correct it

            Assuming this is accurate

            http://www.spotrac.com/ranking

            I anticipate we will see a 2-3 year deal something along the lines of

            2.5 mil
            2.8 mil
            3.0 mil

            3 years gives us a good look at him, and if he plays up to what he expects I anticipate a fairly substantial raise after he is traded to another team for spare parts. There isn’t really anyone in that range that I would 100% prefer

          • Hax

            Ha – awesome.

          • Hax

            But, but, but .. I’m angry and he’s my favorite player and, and, so he MUST be angry too right??

            (Says the typical Lehner advocate from last year)

        • FistsofNeil25

          He’s the perfect candidate for a 2 or 3 year bridge contract. He’s only 22.

        • sprucesens

          an interesting point about this, is it seems to be the mantra for all our signings. Play players that need contracts less, and say they aren’t doing well, so we can sign them for cheap. Problem is, its a never ending circle, where we never put our players in a position to win and play up to their level. Put Hoffman and da costa out with guys like neil and condra. They don’t produce, must be that they suck, and nothing to do with their line mates. I mean if we leave hoffy with condra and smith all year, do we really think he is going to light it up? no. He has to be put in a position to succeed. So hopefully that’s the approach we take with him this year, as well as with lehner, and any other young prospects that make the team. You can’t give a guy top prospect linemates in the A, produce like crazy, then hope they do the same with marginal NHL’rs.

      • Mike

        Lehner is a very good goalie and will be this teams starting goalie for years to come Andy won’t be coming back and probably wants a shot at a cup within the next few years

        • FistsofNeil25

          He’s our future in net but to date he’s been nothing but an inconsistent back-up goaltender with a lot of hype. He deserves a short term bridge contract until he proves that he’s capable of being a starter in this league.

          • Hax

            Agree with this and it’s likely what will happen IMO. Though if I were Murray I’d be tempted to offer a longer deal if I could get him to sign for a good cap number. Heck I’d roll the dice on a 5×5 or something and then work on trading Andy and getting a vet backup.

          • FistsofNeil25

            5X5 Hax are you freakin crazy? lol I understand your logic but I sure don’t agree with it. That’s putting way too much faith in a guy that’s only won 21 NHL games.

          • Hax

            Crazy unless he plays up to it. I’m not saying it’s “smart”, just that I would be tempted to sign him to a long deal and hope he is as good as I think he is.

          • spezzerman

            yeah, he will get a good share of games this year, likely a 45-55 split with Anderson, who gets dealt at the deadline providing Lehner plays to his level

    • Sensnation

      All depends on term. If it’s over 5 years, it could be more expensive, but that’s pretty much the range we’ve expected.

    • Harry

      a 2 year deal at 2 million per??

    • A-Train

      I stopped at “splits” then skipped to the end. He thinks Lehner should get a deal somewhere under $3M per season and it will be somewhere over 1 year in length. Sorry…am I missing the brilliant analysis here?

      • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

        hahaha nope not really

        • A-Train

          I shouldn’t be so hard on Yost. He tries so hard. Can’t stand the writing though, and there’s not much else behind it.

          • Hax

            I wish he would A) stop just whoring himself for hits with his blatant BS and intentionally controversial “opinions” and B) work on his writing style or get help.

            He does know the numbers really well and has a knack for spotting trends and patterns.

          • spezzerman

            he has been able to get work with the Citizen and the Sporting news so he is doing something right.

            But, do I like it when writers phrase opinions as questions to make it seem like there is interest in what their response would be? Nope, not at all. I find it obnoxious, actually. ;)

          • sprucesens

            can you prove using advanced stats that there is nothing behind it? lol

  • ProfessorPower

    Management was pretty busy on the phone today, Prince got taken off the ice and Murray and Dorion made it seem like a deal was done. Dorion took Murray with him – probably to make something official. This could be related to the Bingo signings, but to me it looked like a trade was done.

    • Hax

      How can someone “seem to make it seem”?

      • ProfessorPower

        Dorion hangs up the phone, then grabs Murray to walk downstairs.

        • Hax

          Woooosh.

        • Brock

          Damn. That confirms it right there.

          • ProfessorPower

            well confirms something happened, Dorion said something like ‘its done’. Could have been the bingo signings like I suggested.

          • Brock

            They could have also been ordering a pizza.

          • MisterUtterbag

            Mmmmm pizza

          • ProfessorPower

            if we are trading Prince for Pizza it better be a years supply. Extra cheese too, or no deal.

          • ProfessorPower

            well I was 5 feet away, so if it was Pizza i’m pissed for not being invited.

            everyone lives Pizza parties

          • Pasky

            Puts a whole new spin on the Pizza line right there

          • esk

            what do you do? work for the sens? lol

          • Hax

            Or it could have been the pie he was baking. LMAO

          • Mr Hockey

            Congrats on the post of the day!

          • SensFanInMTL

            LMAO. Are you friggin hanging out by the corridor near their office with the glasses, mustache and nose disguise?

  • Harry

    I read somewhere that Lecavalier’s struggles in Philly all began with
    him playing on the LW. That he is one of those guys who just doesn’t do
    well on the wing. Might explain his lackluster season.

    It is interesting to note that during the lockout shortened season, he was averaging a point
    per game pace. Was last season in Philly, just a bad season, and that he could rebound back?

    • Phil.

      I believe Lecavalier’s struggles started with a shoulder injuries and surgery. That would explain the last few years….

  • Phoenix

    So I got a question. If Philly does retain some money in a trade does the new team maintain the full cap hit but with lesser actual money paid out.

    • Hax

      No the cap hit gets split as well.

    • spezzerman

      pretty sure the Sens would not be on the hook for the full 4.5 cap hit. you retain cap hit too

    • Phoenix

      If the cap hit goes down then it would explain why Philly doesn’t want to retain too much money.

    • spezzerman

      and what would happen if we traded lecavalier? Say at the deadline he is having a good season, someone wants him for scoring depth. As long as we dont agree to take on salary, we would be trading our commitment only, right? nothing changes for philly?

      • Hax

        Correct. In fact, we could retain part of the remaining salary as well. Though he’s got four years left so he’s not really “deadline material”.

        • Phil.

          And he’s got the NTC.

          • spezzerman

            if he waives it to come to ottawa now, he waives it for a cup contending team interested at the deadline.

        • spezzerman

          agree, I was just curious.

    • Phoenix

      4 yrs at 3.5 doesn’t seem to bad as a second line center. Maybe he rebounds in a new environment at center. Yes it may push Zib down a line but maybe share the minutes a little more equally.

      • Phil.

        The question is whether Lecavalier is still a second line center. He wasn’t in Philly at the end of the year.

  • A-Train

    Sure, pick up Lecavalier. Could be good for some of the younger guys to have a player who’s won it all hanging around.

    But I’ve already seen Sens bloggers who should know better tweeting about the patheticness of Vinny as “management’s replacement for Spezza.” That won’t be fun to hear over and over again.

    • Deadly

      Could be a move to get more draft choices next year.Always thought signing a guy like Jagr just to move him at the trade deadline sounded like a good idea for a developing team.

      • Hax

        I also love that idea and use it regularly in NHL14.

        • esk

          cant wait till nhl 15. just got the ps4..senschirp tourny?

          • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

            Yeah I am looking forward to that and Madden 15(although 25 was horrible)

  • Sandy

    Too bad this didn’t happen before Spezza was traded. MIght have gotten Henrik Samuelsson.

    Darren DregerVerified account‏@DarrenDreger 1h

    Former Sabres GM, Darcy Regier has been named Sr VP and Assistant GM of the Arizona Coyotes.

  • esk
  • jtf927

    lecavalier would be a decent option. he would provide us with a second line centre and some definite veteran leadership. philly would have to eat up at least half that salary and i would be hoping for some picks in next year’s draft coming back our way. i still think sutter would be a better option. he’s a much more proficient two-way forward, and i could actually seem him in the sens long term plans as a core player.

    • sprucesens

      I dunno, sutter only had 27? something points playing with top offensive players in Pittsburgh. Granted he wasn’t really paired with sid or geno but I’m sure some of that might be PP time with them. Not something to go breaking the bank for, and not sure they have plans to move him out? Plus lecavalier could bring us his talent, as well as another piece, possibly as valuable as sutter

      • jtf927

        yeah, i agree. i would be more willing to accept lecavalier if we were only on the books for 2-3 million of the contract and we got some picks or a young prospect with the deal. sutter would be attractive only because i think he would play that hard two way defensively responsible game that pmac wants, and that we want to instill in our team. i just wonder if lecavalier still has the energy to be effective at both ends of the ice.

  • Sandy

    Statement from Claude Giroux and GM Ron Hextall

    Thursday, 07.03.2014 / 5:30 PM / News

    Philadelphia Flyers

    The following is a statement from Claude Giroux and general manager Ron Hextall:

    “I regret my actions on Canada Day and sincerely apologize to my fans, teammates and the Philadelphia Flyers organization for my misguided attempt at humor.

    Following an investigation, law enforcement determined that charges are not warranted. I have the utmost respect for law enforcement and apologize to the Ottawa Police Department and specifically the individual officer. I will be making no further public comment on this matter.

    I will not be distracted from my ongoing preparation for the upcoming season. I remain 100% committed and focused on working with my team to return the Stanley Cup to Philadelphia.”
    –Claude Giroux

    “We’ve been in contact with Claude and the Ottawa Police Service and have been informed that no charges will be filed. Moving forward, we will deal with this incident internally and we will no longer publicly discuss this matter.”
    — Flyers GM Ron Hextall

    • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

      So dress as cops if you go to a flyers game this year

    • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

      I’m actually tempted to pass on my boycott for one game now!

    • Max2166

      Ron Hextall is not happy. Any news if David Legwand has signed with a team?

      • Sandy

        Not yet. Sens don’t have the luck that he would sign here.

        • Max2166

          Where do you think he will sign? Do you still think Bryan Murray is still talking to Ron Hextall about a player instead of Lecavalier?

    • zippy

      Oh….and Claude.

      You’re Canadian. (at least I thought you were)

      It’s humour. Not humor. It has a U.

      Bonehead

  • Dirtysweetness

    I hope once Eugene decides to sell the team and move on, he takes Stuntman Stu with him.

    • Deadly

      And Lyndon.

      • Spoons

        BLASPHEMY! Lyndon is awesome!

        • Deadly

          He thinks so too.

          • Spoons

            Lyndon needs more lovin’… This reminds me of a game I went to about 10 years ago. He was signing autographs during the first intermission. There were like 2 people in the lineup. It was sad. I felt bad for Lyndon Slewidge. He’s still the best though.Now get your hands off my lobby boy…

          • Deadly

            Your boy is not worth a fight..over and out.

          • Spoons

            Now listen you little shit. If I have to start a fight over a national anthem singer, I will. So back the F*** off! I’d pay some premium bucks for a ticket to a Lyndon Slewidge Rock concert. He’s that great! You silly Bieber fan…

            (just trying to create some drama away from the Spezza trade… lol)

          • Phil.

            I thought no one went to a hockey to hear the anthem singer. I stand corrected.

          • Wyzerd

            Thinks there’s much worse – memories of this years playoffs in Boston and NY… At least lyndon doesn’t wear a hairpiece or colour his hair….

        • Sandy

          I remember a quite a few years ago at a World Champsionship exhibition game, he sang the Russian & Slovak (I think) anthems and he was amazing.

        • Deadly

          Ok…give him the “C”

      • Max2166

        Lyndon can stay.

    • Sandy

      I would keep Stuntman Stu if Melnyk sold the team.

  • Brutus5247

    Kryst!! The Geritol pickups no one wants. We can do better than that.

  • Spoons

    There. I changed my avatar. It`s my 1st one. Damn proud of it too! Lyndon Slewidge our new Captain!

    • Deadly

      Thanks ,now I can live with 3 captains in 3 years.

      • Spoons

        I think I’ll start a campaign: ”Slewidge for Captain”

  • Pasky

    Godd write up about Kovalev with memorable clips on THN

    http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/five-things-well-never-forget-about-alex-kovalev/

    Needless to say there’s no Sens moments in the videos lol, but I gotta say he’s probably one of the most polarizing players in league history. You either love him or hate him, and most of the time it was both lol

    • Nicholas Rawlins

      That 4 goals, 1 assist plus a moonwalk was a memorable moment for me.

  • Spoons

    So what happens if Vinny refuses to waive his NMC? Does that mean Voracek or Read are on the block? It’d be sweet to get Voracek on the cheap side. Philly can`t take salary in return, they’re that tight against the cap.

    • Max2166

      Voracek would be a great addition. By the sounds of it, Vinny is not coming to Ottawa.

    • Sandy

      They will have about 1,9M in cap leeway. I don’t think they have to move anybody. They just want Lecavalier gone. Maybe Vancouver will take him.

      • sprucesens

        like i said above. LTIR can only happen after the season starts, so they have to move somebody to get below the cap, then place someone on IR, then they can go back up to the cap again, until next offseason

  • whammer44

    Thats some of the best news I’ve heard all day…Vinny is not willing to go to Ottawa….who’s next?

    • Sandy

      Thank god for small miracles.

    • Harv

      Got that right. He’s the last thing we need.

      • sprucesens

        the interesting part would be what ELSE would be coming back, like chirp has said like 5 times already, lol. We wouldn’t just be giving a pick for him. We’d be getting something else of value to help them out

    • Jakester

      Praise The Lord!

  • Sandy

    Looking at capgeek, Philly will get cap relief from the Pronger contract and can be about 1.9M under cap. Boston has about 1.6M to sign 2 young forwards and their young D but they have the Marc Savard contract that they will get cap relief from but not enough, I don’t think to get them under the cap. Reilly Smith, Jordan Caron, Tory Krug, Matt Barkowsky. Depending what they sign for they may just get in under. Chicago has to move salary. No way around that for them.

    • sprucesens

      LTIR can only be activated once the season begins, so they have to be below the cap before they can put pronger or anyone else on LTIR

  • Sandy

    So Santorelli signed in Toronto rather than going to Detroit? The Wings were interested as well. WTF. Of course, that’s Eklund’s rumour.

  • Sandy

    Chirp,
    I thought Prince had a skate issue and came back. Or is that wrong.

    • SensChirp

      Not what I heard.

      • sprucesens

        …what did YOU hear…????

      • esk

        SPEAK!

      • Jakester

        Prince would mean a Buffalo trade you would think?

  • SensChirp

    People that were at the rink describe it as being pretty clear Shane Prince was intentionally pulled off the ice during the middle of today’s on-ice session at Development Camp. Have also heard Management was working the phones pretty hard throughout the skate.

    Something is definitely up.

    • sprucesens

      christmas eve?

      • bluebuyyoo

        Get ready for the lump of coal in your stocking

        • Corey Trevor

          Already have a lump in my stocking just thinking about that Giroux for Prince trade… then again, I’m wearing the stocking on my Damien Cox

    • esk

      hmm is prince even a blue-chip prospect? whats he projected to be?

      • Jakester

        Prince is going to be a keeper.

        • Corey Trevor

          I thought he played forward? Ah well, you can never have too many keepers.

    • Corey Trevor

      So what you’re saying is… Melnyk parlayed the cash ‘used’ in the bogus ‘Cooke Achilles Stomp’ investigation to pay off the Ottawa police to seduce then arrest Giroux for ass-grabbing, which would then force Philly to trade us Giroux for Prince straight up?

      Wow Chirp, that’s some kick-ass investigative reporting.

      • Mat

        It was Melnyk’s plan all along. The cop was a Ukranian actor.

    • Mat

      Its odd to me that none of the top insiders are even speculating about the potential trade. I know some are on vacation but usually you have some advance knowledge. In any case, I just want that shit to happen YESTERDAY so I can move on with my life.. I’m obsessing way to much over this mystery deal…

    • WaitingSince92

      Murray (Tim) always liked Prince, so I wonder if it’s Buffalo.

      I say it like I didn’t read it on this site…

      • WaitingSince92

        …which I obviously did.

    • Pasky

      Maybe have someone look out at the airport for Prince, if he flies to an NHL team that should give us a hint lol

      • zippy

        now thats funny

  • Kumar

    Looks like the premature comment of a possible trade may have fallen off. Now Bryan must be looking at many options. We could have had Santorelli, who can play as a center or winger.

    LeCavalier is a possibility. Flyers need to absorb some percentage of his salary. His 2015 salary is little steep for us and if they can absorb 20% of $6M will be a start. I doubt Flyers moving any of their other roster players. Sabers are a possible target. Bruins could move a player or two. May be Kelly coming back. He can easily play as a center in the 3rd line between Hoffman and Chaisson.

    Definitely we need a forward to compete

  • Spoons

    According to Bobby Ryan`s latest tweet (a few minutes ago) he is in Ottawa. I thought he spent his Summers at ‘home’ in Idaho. Right now he’s getting drunk and watching and rooting for the RedBlacks. It’s most likely nothing, but it’s nice to see he might have settled in here in Ottawa. Is an extension possible even after the Spezza trade?

    • Pasky

      Spezza won’t stop him, Melnyk not wanting to commit financially to give him a shot at a Cup will stop him.

    • Tyler Hawley

      I believe he said in a previous tweet today that he’d be watching from Idaho? I could be mistaken

      • Spoons

        Bah… you`re right. He’s in Idaho. His last tweet said ”Right here in Ottawa”. I took it literally. Still, he’s watching the Redblacks game!

      • Mat

        People are getting excited at Bobby’s tweet but the RedBlacks coaxed him to tweet.. Not to be a bummer but I’m pretty sure if they didn’t, he’d be enjoying his country livin’ doing something else.

        • Sandy

          That was his first tweet. His latest suggested from here in Ottawa was not.

      • Sandy

        You are right.. but his latest tweet mentioned in Ottawa.

        Bobby Ryan ✔ @b_ryan9

        This bottle of wine is ok!! It’s for the @REDBLACKS! Rooting hard here in Ottawa!! #itsforottawa

        Bobby Ryan @b_ryan9 · 10h

        @CFL @REDBLACKS I’ll be watching from Idaho! Can’t wait to see them live!

        I was listening to Terry Marcotte on CTV Sports tonight, and one thing he mentioned about the Redblacks is they were built with character. Something the Sens are trying to do, Skill surely helps, but you can’t discount character either.

    • ChampIsHere

      Probably getting hammered with Giroux

  • zippy

    Could be Umberger? He does have a NTC. 4.6. LW

    Prince straight up for Umberger. Of course he’d have to waive

    • Jakester

      Umberger blows

      • zippy

        OK. So Jakester is not in favour of Umberger.

        I don’t have an opinion. Just figured he MUST be worth the money.

        I may be wrong

  • sensmike

    Please BM leave VL in Philly, have you not learned from our past “ageless” acquisitions……
    I suggest this…

    To Philly; Bobby Ryan along with our Dallas 2nd round pick

    To Ottawa C Brayden Schenn and RW Wayne Simmonds

    Philly will save $ 1.5 M and that as I understand will put them under the cap.
    Sens now get their centre to compliment Turis and Z…

    Philly gets their local prodical son and all is good…both teams happy.

    • zippy

      Well Simmonds is not as good as Ryan. But Schenn and Simmonds would round our team

      • Pasky

        Simmonds is still a good Top 6 player though. 25 goal physical player, signed below 4M a year long term, although not as much weight as Ryan. Maybe we can add Weircioch or Cowen and get the other Schenn brother.

        • zippy

          Prince, Chiasson, Guptill, Dallas 2nd.
          for
          Schenn and Simmonds….Ryan would stay for that

      • Jakester

        Couturier and Simmonds would be nice too.

        • zippy

          Well ya. Except we have a snowballs chance in hell of getting Couturier

      • Andrews theory

        Pfffft

        I wouldn’t count on it. A point per game player is a rare breed

  • SensChirp

    GOOOOOOOOOOOOO REDBLACKS!

    • Deadly

      First CFL game in quite awhile.

    • Mat

      And again!

  • SensFanInMTL

    Bob McKenzie (TSNBobMcKenzie)
    Giroux’s actions has gotten him a ticket out of Philly to Ottawa in exchange for Turris, Ryan and Wiercioch. More will soon follow.

    • Pasky

      Lol at the overpayment though

    • zippy

      Liar Liar Pants on Fire

    • Phil.

      Bob McKenzie (TSNBobMcKenzie)

      I am at my cottage and don’t give a damn what Giroux does. I’ll cover it in September. (wording mine)

  • SensFanInMTL

    That’s right, I lied.

    • Phil.

      At least you are honest about being a liar.

      • SensFanInMTL

        LMAO, everyone was flipping over Shane ‘freakin’ Prince. Plus we’re all very bored at the moment with what Murray has in stored for us. At least we’re all having fun eh.

  • CUP 2014-15

    This is one pesky RedBlacks team

    • zippy

      Pesky Pesky Pesky. I sense a theme!!

      • CUP 2014-15

        The word now seems funny to me as it is getting so much use.

  • Jakester

    Ryan seems to be cheering for the RedBlacks too!

  • Sandy

    From HB – Cup 06 again.

    Sens waiting on Legwand. Thought they would hear his decision by now. Buffalo and Edmonton are believed to be the other teams in on him.

    I expect there to be some movement on the trade front either tonight or tomorrow. I don’t have specifics which usually means it’s in its final stage. Could be two deals.

    I think (me guessing) one is with Buffalo.

    • BeJamin

      Legwand IMO, another perfect veteran to pick up who won’t make you a contender, but a good pro. Another guy that if he’s on a short enough deal – they’ll be able to dump him on deadline day for a good pick. Eerily it all fits…

      • Jakester

        Perfect third center behind TUrris and Zibby.

  • BeJamin

    The more I look at our roster the more it’s starting to make sense. Perhaps Murray & Melnyk have decided they’re okay with not spending yet, and that they in all likelihood don’t mind being a lottery team in an epic draft.

    Keeping Phillips, Neil, & Michalek around. These guys… they aren’t the best players anymore but they’re good pros who can teach the kids how to conduct themselves in the NHL.

    The kids, they get unlimited ice this year to just keep getting better. Turris, MacArthur, Karlsson & Ryan are young enough to go along for the ride for one year if we can convince them it’s a 1-year strategy change. One step back.. to take a massive McDavid or Eichel step forward.

    If Ryan & MacArthur aren’t down for the plan, you could probably get a 1st for both of them, if not better. That’s kind of where I see this going – especially if Ryan doesn’t want to re-sign. A true rebuild in a great draft. Not the end of the world.

    • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

      Kinda the way I’m seeing it as well now.. I think when they are done they are hoping to roll four tough to play against lines. Basically a

      1
      2/3
      2/3
      2/3

      I don’t think we will necessarily out skill teams, but wear them down and make teams hate to play against us.

      • CUP 2014-15

        That last statement is similar to BR’s when he arrived and was asked what he knew about the Sens. They come to play every night and you better work hard or they will make you pay. Then again that was before last year where they were pretty soft most nights

        • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

          I don’t think we’ve ever really been that tough of a team(but I guess someone that actually plays in the league would have a more valid opinion than me), but I hope we are heading towards a model like this.

          Don’t necessarily avoid skilled guys, but I’d take a rough, hard hitting 30-40 goal scorer over a 50 goal guy who is afraid to be checked

          • CUP 2014-15

            With you 100%

          • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

            Although more realistic would be 25-30 over a 40 guy

  • ProfessorPower

    Three possessions Three touchdowns.. that’s the way to start a season. REDBLACKS!

  • T K

    So, every time I switch away from the football game, Ottawa gets a touchdown. For the greater good, I’ll continue to not watch.

    Good thing I’m not a football fanatic. Payments accepted though…

    • Doc

      I don’t have cable anymore, and it’s the first that it actually bugs me.

      • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

        Same boat over here. I’m sure if I looked hard enough I could find a stream tho

        • Doc

          True, but I’m lazy and drinking beer instead.

          • T K

            There’s always the radio and the theatre of the mind… (or just have another beer…)

          • Doc

            SOLD!

        • Turbo_Prop
  • Don Ciccio

    Maybe the Sens will announce a trade after the Redblacks game so that they don’t take any of the spot light away from their first game……You never know

    • Andrews theory

      Ha, yes I’m sure that’s op of mind…

      Fummmmble….red blacks ball

  • Kumar

    Folks, don’t have fat hopes. Bryan is not the fastest guy to make a move. He has two things to worry. Firstly, financial constraint. Secondly, he is a risk averse person. He will hold on to a player for too long.

  • Kumar

    Did any of you thought of Chris Kelly. BM loves him and his cap hit is only $3M for two years. He could be an ideal line 3 center. There is a history and well liked player in Ottawa.
    Bruins want to dump salary and we don’t have give too much to get him. Couple of prospects would do.

    • Sandy

      Really like Chris Kelly. He is just coming off surgery for a herniated disk. Sound familiar.

      • Deadly

        Out of the frying pan,into the fire. Maybe not a good idea.

    • Jakester

      Chris Kelly another guy like Condra who can’t hit the net.

  • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

    Travis Yost ‏@TravisHeHateMe 11m
    Last three years (1000+ TOI), there are five defensemen who have a better per-sixty scoring rate and Corsi% than Patrick Wiercioch. Five.

    I don’t totally understand corsi but knowing how much he lives by it this is a big deal….stop trying to get rid of this kid.

    • Sandy

      Travis Yost @TravisHeHateMe · 12m

      The names are weird. The Boston Boys (Chara/Krug/Hamilton); Brendan Smith; Erik Karlsson. That’s it.

      • Doc

        :)

    • Andrews theory

      Ya I’ll be pissed if they move Wiercioch. The insistence to sit him last year in favor of Phillips, Cowen and Gryba was mind boggling.

      To me, he’s the perfect partner for Karlsson, very similar to Kuba but a bit more upside. His passing is second only to Karlsson and if we have the puck, his lack of a physical game is irrelevant.

    • ProfessorPower

      The guy has played less than 100 games, those stats are biased. Basically like saying one of the best goalies in the league is Martin Jones.

  • Jakester

    I think we will make a trade with Buffalo and sign a UFA tomorrow, most likely Legwand. Then deal some extra bodies and a Dman for another quality player. Old Bryan will be busy!

    • Conor_smythe

      I think we start the season with the exact roster we have right now + Lehner

      Ill bet Murray tries to do a lot of things.. but none of them will work

      • Conor_smythe

        Maybe we will trade Karlsson for 2 fourth liners and a draft pick.. seems to be our style these days

        • Jakester

          Well we traded a declining Center for a solid right winger,another kid(Guptill) who projects as a top 6 ,and Paul who just got an invite for Canada’s junior team, and a second rounder in a great draft. Not too bad, if you have no clue what we got, better to not make comments! Murray did alright. Spezza is gone thank God, get over it!

      • Jakester

        He’s not standing Pat, too many forwards and D men. There will be at least two more trades.

  • karlssens

    I would be okay with Legwand.. But I’d want to make sure we get another younger forward via trade as well for one or two of our defensemen and maybe a forward prospect.

    • ProfessorPower

      I hope we don’t get Legwand.

      • karlssens

        Why? Adding another 40 pt player couldn’t hurt.. Need someone down the middle with experience..

        • ProfessorPower

          another veteran to pick up who won’t make you a contender, doesn’t really fit the mold of Pesky. May want term in the deal which is not good. Takes a roster spot from a kid. I would be happy with Turris-Zibby-Smith-Lazar. Lazar in his natural position might be good for him. Legwand is okay, don’t throw money at okay players, personally just don’t see the point.

          • Jakester

            Smith is a lousy third line center option. You need three scoring lines.

          • ProfessorPower

            Smith is a great 3rd/4th line Center. Lazar taking the three spot is better than Legwand going forward imo. Don’t act like the guy will be a great addition, he would be mediocre..but I can see some benefit with his experience. Personally I would rather stack the wingers with a trade and keep our young 2-way center core the same. I see our team like this right now..

            Macarthur-Turris-Ryan
            XXX-Zibanejad-Stone
            Michalek-Lazar-Chiasson
            Greening-Smith-Neil

            switching Chiasson and Stone for best fit. Trade for a real solid top 6 LW and you have 3 scoring lines.

          • Jakester

            Smith has no idea how to make an offensive play, he’s a great fourth liner but that’s it, your 3rd line center nowadays has to bring more than what Smith can do.

          • ProfessorPower

            Lazar.

          • Jakester

            Reading between the lines, I see Murray signing a center and having Lazar play 4th line center. I think he was alluding to that in his presser.

          • ProfessorPower

            counter productive. Very dumb move.

          • Jakester

            Dopey, we have a Turris,Zibby,possibly Legwand,Lazar,Pageau,and Grant! I think Smith is very tradable!

          • ProfessorPower

            so you are suggesting signing Legwand and trading Smith?

          • Jakester

            Yes! Chicago seems to want Smith and Greening, get rid of them. Legwand is three times the player Smith is. Second overall pick at the draft versus a twice passed over guy in the draft.

          • ProfessorPower

            Legwand is not twice the 4th liner Smith is, he would look like absolute shit on a checking line. Chicago doesn’t want Greening and Smith, there are no legs to that rumor…They have Toews Richards Shaw and a few other guy’s to play 4th line C. You need to stop looking at individual players and start looking at the team/lines as a whole.

          • Jakester

            Smith is a fourth liner at best man, look at the teams that went far they had 3 scoring lines. Any line with Smith a center will never be dangerous offensively. Put Legwand in Mac’s system with a guy like Karlsson zooming up the ice and his 50 points he had last year will be 60. That’s the kind of production we need. If he’s centering Hoffman and Stone it could be good. Smith hangs on to the puck too long and fires wobbly pucks into the goalies belly without even looking to pass.

          • karlssens

            Looool. It’s so true, Smith has a weak ass shot. Smith is an excellent 4th line center, don’t fix what isn’t broken. He needs better wingers. Neil and Greening won’t cut it this year. Gotta cut ties with one of Condra or Greening.. If not both.

          • Jakester

            Both please. I might even put

            Smith-Lazar-Neil

            If Sens sign Legwand. Insulates Lazar and let’s him gain confidence.

          • ProfessorPower

            Legwand is mediocre. I doubt you have seen him play much, yes Legwand is more offensive the Smith. Smith will tell you thats not his role. Maclean will tell you thats not his role. BM will tell you thats not his role. I will tell you thats not his role. Look, all I am saying is Legwand is a mediocre pickup..and he is. I would prefer not to go after him and play Lazar with the wingers you suggest. If we do, I see the rational. But he doesn’t make us more of a contender..drooling over him is pointless. Why not make a trade for Brayden Shenn?? or another young center who can be added to our core. There are better options if we need a center.

          • Jakester

            Schenn would be nice of course. I watch lots of hockey and have seen Legwand play plenty, very responsible player and he plays both ends. In Nashville they play a very defensive system, this guy has tools to bring offence, wasn’t picked 2nd overall for nothing. I think it would be a reawakening for him.

          • ProfessorPower

            I dont care where he was picked I care what he is. Make a trade for a better player.

          • Jakester

            He’s only 32-33. I’m not against making a trade for another guy, but for F sakes Smith third line center is what idiots put up here! Or when I see Condra pencilled as third line winger! Enough already’ let’s move on from these Chumps!

          • ProfessorPower

            Everyone pencils Smith as the 4th line center, Maclean loves the guy because he can see things outside of goals. Condra sucks balls. And good, make a trade for a better guy.

          • Jakester

            I agree, just don’t be surprised if Smith is moved.

          • ProfessorPower

            I won’t be, because it won’t happen. 100 dollar bet?

          • Jakester

            No problem

          • ProfessorPower

            Okay if he is on the roster starting next season you owe me Hundo, if not I owe you. Easy money

          • Jakester

            Remember that. You should write it down. Now sure you can remember it. Lol

          • ProfessorPower

            ‘Now’ sure you can type…bitch

          • Jakester

            Hey be nice or I’ll slap you with your purse.

          • ProfessorPower

            at least its gucci

          • Jakester

            Pretty sure it’s a knockoff, you’ll have to scam it off to pay me!

          • CUP 2014-15

            Cant take being wrong so you resort to calling me an idiot? Tells me your either an opinionated ass or up pass your bedtime.

          • Jakester

            I didn’t call you an idiot.

          • ProfessorPower

            you are.

          • Jakester

            The power isn’t brain power in your case!

          • ProfessorPower

            Its Man Power

          • Jakester

            Haha, was just teasing dude, I like hearing your opinion!

          • ProfessorPower

            Good, because I hate yours ;) lol

          • CUP 2014-15

            Well I said I would like to see ZS get that shot.

          • Jakester

            I didn’t analyze all the comments, you’re a good dude Cup, if you feel that way, I didn’t single you out!

          • CUP 2014-15

            Don’t forget the dumping into the corner. That’s my point. He plays with plugs. I didn’t even mention his great games with Kassian flying down the wing

          • Jakester

            Smith was ok when we had no options but he’s a bit of a plug too.

          • karlssens

            I can’t see lazar playing fourth line center.. He would get crushed. It’s third line for him or nothing.

          • Jakester

            Not sure, good place to start, play him with two big wingers, 10-12 minutes a night and then he might move up in the lineup.

          • karlssens

            I feel like he’d be much better suited on the wing. Would allow him a little more breathing room breaking into the leave.

          • Jakester

            Murray seemed to say might have to play center, I agree would start him on the wing.

          • Jakester

            Personally wouldn’t be surprised to see Smith traded!

          • ProfessorPower

            so a team that needs a center trades one away lol laughable.

          • Jakester

            You’re laughable!

          • ProfessorPower

            ouch

          • CUP 2014-15

            How would anyone know? His best winger has been who? forget thinking of a pair. He is good on the dot, has the speed. If anyone has earned a shot it’s him

          • Jakester

            What speed? Can’t even get out to cover the point on the penalty kill without getting burned!

          • karlssens

            A good center brings out the best in his wingers.

          • CUP 2014-15

            Greening? Neil? Condra? AHL call ups?

          • karlssens

            When spezza played with greening he had 15 goals.

          • ProfessorPower

            Since when has anyone expected Smith to be a scoring center. Fuck

          • karlssens

            I expect him to be a 4th liner. And he’s really good at that.

          • ProfessorPower

            exactly.

          • CUP 2014-15

            Spezza was 1st line premier player, were talking 3rd line C

          • Brutus5247

            Using premier and -26 might be a misnomer!

          • runningbear1974

            I agree with you… Don’t know his potential yet… Smith played well a couple of years ago with Michalek and Alfie… Got him out of his scoring slump… Smith plays differently according to his role… That makes him coach-able… We don’t know how well he would play with more dynamic players and a different role…

          • CUP 2014-15

            That was such a short run that I think that was the first time he started scoring. It would be nice to see if he could turn that 13 from last yr to 20 with talent on the line

          • runningbear1974

            He would play well with Michalek…

          • CUP 2014-15

            And add Stone or Chiasson to the right

          • CUP 2014-15

            Agree, well said. Lazar will pick up min. on the PP and shifts on a wing if he’s going.

        • Spoons

          I’d rather give Lazar a shot as 3rd line center. He’d probably pick up 35-40 points.

          • Deadly

            Let give the anthem to a rookie. Veteran presence is important.

          • ProfessorPower

            Legwand is not…just because he is old doesn’t make him a great veteran presence.

  • karlssens

    Guys, even if we tank this year, and some players don’t want to sign with us, look at our sellable assets:

    Ryan
    MacArthur
    Anderson
    Neil
    Phillips

    If shit hits the fan, we will be able to secure a few more firsts and a few prospects to finish up our rebuild in a nice draft.

    • Conor_smythe

      according to Murray, our rebuild is already finished

      also, did you not see the return we just got for jason spezza?

      nobody is giving up anything significant for players with 1 year or less on their contract

      we might get a first and a second for Ryan

      • karlssens

        Discussions for Ryan start with a first at the deadline. Would expect a first and a quality player coming back.

  • CohMa

    Haha Eklund just tweeted that Ottawa is the leading candidate for a trade with San Jose…. So now we’re trading for Lecavalier, signing Legwand, trading Prince somewhere, and making a trade with San Jose… God this is getting really old.

    • Jakester

      Go to bed Murray you need your sleep! Haha , poor bastard that Eklund!

    • knightstemplar

      flip the Dallas second rounder for Couture …

      • Andrews theory

        And pavelski…

      • karlssens

        He’s untouchable.

      • Jakester

        Throw in Condra and a Sens blanket.

  • knightstemplar

    Does he have a NMC/NTC

  • Spoons

    I looked at the bottom of an empty beer bottle and had a vision:

    Cowen + Prince
    to SJS for
    McGinn + 2015 2nd round

    SJS need a top 4 D-man, and we just need to get rid of one.

  • jumpsteady

    Vinny is a good fit if he brings us a pick let’s face it were not ready down the middle and could use a legitimate vete

    • karlssens

      I for one am okay with a Vinny trade. Still a serviceable player.

      • Jakester

        For 4 years though, run Murray run!

  • knightstemplar

    Question: If the Flyers retained a part of VL’s salary, does it count aginst Philly’s cap hit ? What part counts against Ottawa’s ?

  • Conor_smythe

    If we get Lecavalier, I hope we make him captain

    the guy has a cup ring… cant say that about any other player on our team (pathetic)

    • karlssens

      Karlsson is 100% this teams new captain.

  • knightstemplar

    Murray should ask for Courturier

    • Jakester

      TUrris-Zibby-Couturier would be the perfect set-up. They need D we have plenty extras(Cowen).

      • Conor_smythe

        Hey, did you know that Karlssons stats are better when he plays with Cowen than any other player on our team???

        offensive AND defensive stats.

        every single category

        • Conor_smythe

          Ill bet you didnt know this.. but you know who does???

          Bryan Murray

        • Jakester

          He’s terrible!

          • Conor_smythe

            Then why does Karlsson score more points with him on the ice

            and why does karlsson get scored against Less often with him on the ice?

          • Jakester

            I went to four games last year and all I saw was poor Karlsson running all over the ice trying to cover for that bumbler! Jerry Seinfeld, isn’t MaCleans favorite, was even healthy scratched with Spezz for a few games at the end of the year.

  • Guest

    I have decided not to hold my breath for a trade…but please no vinny, doubt we get courturier but that would be amazing

  • karlssens

    Chirp, any chance of doing a sens/redblacks chirp type thing?!

  • karlssens

    Wiercioch + prince for couturier?

    • Jakester

      That would be nice Bro. They might want Cowen instead, no problem there either.

      • karlssens

        Then I would do Weircioch + prince + 3rd

        • Jakester

          Wiercioch is more valuable than Cowen, have to able to skate nowadays and Cowen has bowling balls for skates!

          • Sensnation

            How slow do you bowl?

      • Conor_smythe

        if cowen is so terrible, why would they want him?

        uhduhhh

        • Jakester

          Cuz Philly always wants immovable big dumb D men, that’s why they haven’t won a cup since 1975

          • Conor_smythe

            oh

        • Shibal

          He’s a former 9th overall pick. Ofcourse, I don’t expect Hextall to be as stupid as Holmgrem – who traded away JVR straight up for Luke Schenn – a former 5th overall pick.

  • knightstemplar

    How about a line: Couture-Conacher-Couturier

    • Mr Hockey

      Which team would this line play for?

      • Pasky

        Couture is in SJ, Conacher in NYI, and Couturier is in Philly…. Carolina?

        What makes me laugh is that Couture and Couturier are natural C but Conacher is centering the line

  • karlssens

    Oh boy.. Looking like an opening night loss..

  • Andrews theory

    Good try red blacks…

    • disqus_WM2nEp4TF2

      the Communist Negroes are an EXPANSION team
      wins will be few this season

      • WaitingSince92

        Stay classy…

  • silver seven

    sounds like ottawa and san jose are talking, I wonder…really hope we are not selling someone like stone or lazar + prince for a big asset…although Couture would be amazing, I just like those kids too much

  • Conor_smythe

    talk about a choke job

    • disqus_WM2nEp4TF2

      purple monkey dishwasher

  • ProfessorPower

    Senschirp should be an Eklund free zone.

    • Spoons

      ^^^ E5

      • ProfessorPower

        which means its 100% confirmed? but no names involved.

    • peetypuck

      I’ll second that.

    • disqus_WM2nEp4TF2

      start your own blog

      • ProfessorPower

        so I can give you bullshit rumors? I don’t have sources

        • WaitingSince92

          Just like Eklund…

  • Laurence Babchyuk

    Oh god stay away from Lecavalier.

    There’s two players that I saw live that were the laziest players in the nhl. That was #19 from the sens and #4 from Tampa.

    We got rid of our #19… Let’s not replace him with the same type of player please.

    • Wyzerd

      Ottawa desperately needs to fill the whole left by Spezza on the Powerplay. Viny will do that nicely if the price is right.

  • PaulMacLeansDuster

    I wonder what hot rumours will come out of Sens development camp today? Will Bryan Murray be seen talking on the phone? Will Prince be seen carrying his equipment out of the Sensplex? Maybe Stone or Cleassen will leave the ice early and head to the dressing room?

    • my2sens

      I saw Eugene going into a commercial real estate office this morning…. hmmm…

  • Sokz

    Why is everyone so against this ? Sure he is 34 but if he can net 20 goals his salary isn’t that bad it’s only 6 mil this year (we need to spend still to get to the floor) next year his salary is 4.5 year after it’s 3 and the last year is 3

    So really he’s not that costly so I don’t get this dislike for the salary it’s not 6 mil for 4 years it’s 6 mil for this season only

    • whammer44

      He has shoulder issues. His numbers are sliding south, quickly. He was dropped to the 4th line in Philly. He will take ice time away from guys like Zbad. He’s a liability defensively. His 5 on 5 numbers are bad. He doesn’t want to be here.

      Question is why would we want him?

    • Sandy

      4 years is one of the issues. And that’s just part of the reasons.

      No to Vinny.

      And while you are at it, no to Stewart

  • bluebuyyoo

    Actually, bringing in Vinny may be a very shrewd move by Murray. Considering his salary and almost immediate dislike by the fans, he will become the new whipping boy, deflecting the shit from being flung at Karlsson, Ryan, Zibby or Turris. Come to think of it, he is not even a part of the team yet and he is being shit on like a regular.

  • FistsofNeil25

    Murray better know what he’s doing if he’s using Wiercioch as a trade chip. He’s a young, affordable puck moving defenseman and he’s also pretty good in the right role.

    If they trade Wiercioch, prepare to here the words “we need to add a puck mover to our back end” all season long. They would be taking a huge risk, especially is Ceci struggles.

    This log jam on defense could have been solved if they have just let the old pylon CP4 walk away at the end of the season.

    • Zelle

      Keep Wiercioch and play him behind Turris. They have awesome chemistry.

    • AutoTurris

      A-fucking-men to the oaf on our blue line. It’s basically Weir or Grybz at this point, which blows. I would rather see them demote Ceci and figure it out than trade anyone, especially Weir

  • Renaud savage

    I’m I the only one going crazy here. the only thing I care about is updated on Bobby Ryan!! Don’t care about trades if we cant keep are own guys!!!! Chirp any news anything would ease the pain.

  • AutoTurris

    The amount of dough Melnyk is going to have to cough up next year is going to be mind boggling. Obviously, there is the Ryan and Mac contracts to fuss over but also all of our young guys have their entry-levels expiring. I wonder how Melnyk is going to manage to fuck this up?

    • Captain Karl

      Thats what Iv’e been saying. Yes we will be close to the floor this season but the season after you can tack on about 10 mil just to keep our own players. And I think we will. If we don’t then it will be time to hit the panic button

      • AutoTurris

        Well, if he wants to start having a higher pay roll, he better shape us for round 2 AT LEAST to help finance this shit. Otherwise we can say goodbye to stone and Chaisson and Mac and Ryan and Methot.

        • Captain Karl

          Nah, ain’t gonna happen. They are trying to build a contender for the 25th anniversary season. Melnyk has been preaching building through the draft and developement and said he will spend when the time is right. If he doesn’t retain these players it will be the last straw for this fan base

      • Sandy

        Good point. But if he doesn’t, things will get very ugly in Ottawa.

  • Pasky

    I think the issue with Weircioch is that during the season they tried to play him on the right side but he wasn’t as effective. But on the left side we already have Methot-Cowen-Phillips and the Borocop as the 7th D. Now we know Phillips won’t be traded anywhere unless it’s next years trade deadline. So do we want to trade away Methot or Cowen to make room for Weircioch? Methot is our only proven Top 4 D asides from Karlsson, so it’s a risk to our back end to get rid of him right now. So that leaves Cowen as the other trade bait, but let’s face it the team is pretty high on him, and we would be selling low with him since he hasn’t had a breakout season yet. But considering his injuries and contract dispute has disrupted his last 3 off seasons and training camp, this might actually be his breakout year. And if it is we get our Chara back, so that leaves Weircioch as the best trade candidate in my mind. For the record I do like Weir and wish we could keep him, but right now he is the most expendable player back there.

    • whammer44

      Don’t disagree with this as the team is high on Cowen, but I can’t help but feel if we keep Cowen and move Wiercioch it will be a mistake.

      It would be great if they could send Cowen to Bingo to try and find his game.

      • Pasky

        It’s Chara v Redden all over again…

        • whammer44

          Yeah kind of on a smaller scale. At least Muckler isn’t the one making the decision.

        • runningbear1974

          yeah… I wish Cowen was more interested in beating people up…

    • runningbear1974

      The fact that Cowen has already asked for the most amount of money possible is a huge warning sign for me… He’s the one I would be trying to trade… Let him make his millions somewhere else…

      • spezzerman

        all he did was refuse to sign for 8 years and I don’t blame him. You should be grateful.

        • runningbear1974

          I am grateful… Its still a warning sign to me… I’m betting he signed for less years because he thinks he can make more money that way… It seems to me he’s very concerned about getting fair compensation for his services… And “Fair” means “As much as possible”…

          • spezzerman

            or he is confident in his abilities…what a dick.

          • runningbear1974

            or he’s arrogant… Or he’s delusional and he thinks he’s better than he is… I wonder if he’s honest to himself about how much he sucked last year… I think he’s too confident to be honest to himself…

    • Hax

      Well written and I tend to agree for the most part. It does sort of come down to Cowen vs. Wiercioch. Can’t see Boro having any value at this point.

      I think Cowen has more value for us and in a trade – especially right now. The big question I’d ask before pulling the trigger on a single trade involving D is can Wiercioch and Ceci work as a pairing? If they can then the rest of the top 6 sort of falls into place. If they can’t then you’re either forcing Phillips or Gryba into the top 4.

      Cowen on the other hand feels like he could work with Karlsson or Ceci (assuming he rebounds of course). Meaning you could have Phillips/Gryba as your third pairing and a solid top 4.

      In a fantasy world, I’d love to see Gryba and Cowen moved and a guy like Shattenkirk brought in (other parts needed for a trade of course). An upgrade on the right side lets Ceci play on the third pair plus the power play and keeps Wiercioch in the top 4.

      And I really do like Cowen too. If we can hang on to both Cowen and Wiercioch for a couple of years a left side of Methot/Cowen/Wiercioch could be great.

      • spezzerman

        if it came down to it, they could likely send Boro down early without a risk of getting claimed by waivers. As long as they dont mind paying him his $600,000 to play in bingo.

        Rosters are tight at the beginning of the year. DaCosta cleared no problem, every team has their Boro…

        • Hax

          Agreed and I assume that’s the current plan if they don’t move out a D-man. But I’m pretty sure “plan A” is to move a guy out to make room.

    • spezzerman

      I still don’t understand for the life of me why they didnt send COwen down when they had the chance, especially since it mean Weircioch wasnt playing at all. At first I thought budget but then they let Ceci stay up and pay him an NHL salary. They had a couple week window once he was up to let Cowen go find his game in the AHL but they didnt, and Weircioch wasted away on the sidelines.

      Still scratch my head about that one.

      • runningbear1974

        I think because in the shortened season, Cowen got injured at AHL and he felt resentful that he had to go down there, and that while injured he was getting AHL salary…

        • spezzerman

          what does that have to do with anything? why would that influence management’s decision on what to do with him?

          • runningbear1974

            Because maybe they feel he has a fragile self-esteem… (which I think might be true)… The only thing keeping him confident is his delusional belief in his play… They don’t want to tell him what they really think, because it might shatter that confidence…
            I really don’t think Cowen is aware of how poorly he played last year… But, that’s just my crazy thinking…

          • spezzerman

            he was pretty open about it in interviews when he was finally benched later in the year. Knew he had to play a lot better, and was struggling mightily… and felt he could be better.

          • runningbear1974

            I’m hoping, that’s for sure… Lets see how long it takes him to become a solid player… I think it took Chara 10 years to become a force in the NHL…

          • spezzerman

            Define “force.” I doubt Cowen ever is a perpetual Norris candidate like Chara has been, and if that is how you define his success, you’re probably always going to be mad at him. That’s on you, not Cowen. But, Chara was always a top 4 by the time he came to Ottawa, which was after about 200 NHL GP.

          • runningbear1974

            I don’t want to argue… I work with a Boston fan, and I’ve had this discussion several times… I feel Chara makes bad decisions, he’s a dumb player… But, he became so strong (relative in the league), that his strength overcame his dumbness… (I also think some really skilled players are dumb too, and they use their skill to minimize their stupid decisions)… Chara is losing his intimidation factor, and so now his dumbness will become more apparent…

          • spezzerman

            I definitely agree that Chara’s days are done. He wont be in any more Norris discussions.

          • runningbear1974

            I think historically he won’t be thought as one of the great players… He’s big… He’ll be mostly forgotten, maybe remembered for being the biggest player ever…

          • bluebuyyoo

            He will always be remembered for doing the rag doll on McCabe.

          • whammer44

            More like 5 years for Chara as he spent 4 years with the Isles.

          • runningbear1974

            Chara was not a good player until he played for Boston… That’s why we let him walk… 10 years…

          • spezzerman

            Ok, we’re done here.

          • whammer44

            Ummm…ok. You weren’t watching the same player I was.
            .
            We let him walk because Muckler effed it up. Screwed Hossa over, pissed Chara off and then decided we couldn’t keep both Redden and Chara.

          • runningbear1974

            I think he’s a stupid player… Makes bad decisions with the puck… Has poor vision… But he does have strengths too, he’s big and strong and beats people up…

          • runningbear1974

            BTW, I do think we should have sent Cowen down to AHL that would have been good for his development….

  • MethotToMyMadness

    And with that Darren Dreger UPDATE by Chirp, Sens nation breaths a sigh of relief. ;)

  • my2sens

    Way too much negativity going on these days, and with reason.

    Therefore, I will give each and everyone of you a nice bum squeeze!!

    Happy beautiful weekend to all!

    • WaitingSince92

      Giroux? Is that you?

  • AutoTurris

    Let’s take a poll! It’s obvious we have a hole at center and can afford to move a winger and a D. Who do you want it to be?

    I am obviously for moving Greening and as for D, I’d have to say Gryba

    • my2sens

      I would be with you on this one. Greening and Gryba, however we need to clear left side to keep Wiercoch, so Cowen would be ok as well.

    • runningbear1974

      Cowen, Greening, Prince

    • Captain Karl

      might as well go quantity for quality so Michalek, Greening, Condra and Phillips for anything

    • Hax

      Your poll may as well be “who do you hate on the Sens” since that’s all people are going to do with their responses.

      Serious answer to your actual question: I think rather than throw out names of “scraps” that won’t bring us much return, I’d be looking to see what I could get for Cowen (I think our highest value D of guys I’m willing to move) and Smith (our highest value forward that I’m willing to move). Would need to get someone really good in that deal and of course might need to add in prospects/picks as well – but that’s where I’d start.

      • Conor_smythe

        If we put enough scraps together. We might be able to get a jason spezza calibre player

        All it takes is scraps to get one of those guys these days

        • Andrews theory

          ya but you need an owner willing to accept salary…

  • Dirk-Diggler

    The pieces I’d move with the long term future in mind are, Greening, Phillips, Neil, Methot and Condra… These guys will simply not be effective contributors with respect to their cap hit in 3 years from now when the team is ready to commit. Or in some cases even be in the NHL anymore (Neil, Phillips).

    • Hax

      Yeah let’s trade everyone over 30 and ice a junior team instead.

      • Dirk-Diggler

        Not to move them all but I’d listen to offers on any of them..

        I’d move Methot because he still has value and I would not want to enter a long term deal with him at $4.5 M or above like he’ll want on his next deal. There are internal replacements for Methot in Bingo. Methot is a #4 D man on a good team and ideally in 3 seasons we will be a good team. Can’t play him higher than a #4 guy and expect to win..

        In 2-3 seasons our D 4 should look like..

        Cowen-Karlsson
        Weircioch-Ceci
        Wilkstrad/Classen/(the guy we drafted this year at 40)

        • Hax

          I like Methot more than you do I think. Though not sure MacLean does so your scenario might play out. Even in 3 years though that D core is very, very young.

          • MethotToMyMadness

            I love Methot’s game, he’s stellar, but Diggler makes a point. Out of all our D that aren’t named Karlsson or Cowen, Methot would currently fetch us a handsome return in a trade to a team who are contending, especially if we are looking for a pick. If Ottawa is in the mind set they were a few years back, with a re-tool and need picks for 2015 and 16, the time would be just before the trade deadline this year to move Methot. At this point he’s worth his contract, which is very digestible to a team. This would also save us from committing to a very hefty contract in the 4.5 to 5 Mil range, which I would imagine he’ll be after come the end of 2014-15. We do have a few guys in the system, one being Claesson who is a stay at home D, much like Methot and will be ready by next season at the latest.

          • whammer44

            So we would be ok with a Foligno type player coming back?

          • MethotToMyMadness

            I was thinking more in the line of a 1st round pick, especially depending on how he plays this year. Much like Ottawa did with Fisher in 2011

        • EK65

          That’s a soft D corps. Cowen is the only real hitter on that list unless Englund comes in

          • Jakester

            Oh Ok I guess Gryba doesn’t hit, let’s ask Eller what he thinks??? Cowen only hits when he can actually catch up to the guy.

        • MethotToMyMadness

          You are forgetting Borowiecki, he’s a hitter and would likely be in the 5-6 hole somewhere, if he’s not traded before then.

          • CUP 2014-15

            Agree with Boro if he can stop running at people and putting himself out of position. The kid just tries so damn hard but like EG he needs to back off going for the big hit unless it comes to him. Gryba looks like he always wants to snot guys but has already slowed his game down.

        • MethotToMyMadness

          Englund?

          • Dirk-Diggler

            ya, I could not remember his name…

            I guess Gryba may still be around in 3 years from now too as a 6/7 guy

          • Brutus5247

            Not a chance he will be a UFA and if plays a lot like Orpik. Put the pieces together.

    • Captain Karl

      Remove Methot from your list and we have a deal. I love Neiler but sadley his time has passed. Both he and Philly have been good soldiers for us.

      • MethotToMyMadness

        Neil is another guy this Team would gain a lot of interest in at the deadline, if we were in a seller mode. He’s a 3rd liner on some teams, 4th on others, depending what your looking for. But give this guy a chance on a power house team who’s contending and needs toughness to insulate it’s Star players and he will not disappoint. Ottawa has used him in so many positions, teams see that and would love to have this guy. Can you imagine what could have happened if Pittsburgh had a Chris Neil type player protecting Crosby in the playoffs?

    • WaitingSince92

      Condra earns his cap hit pretty easily.

      No reason to think Methot will suck in 3 years.

  • Seumas Stuart

    Greening, Prince along with the 2nd pick we recieved for Spezza for Marleau

  • Andrews theory

    Wiercioch seems to be really underated by this organization.
    It blows my mind…

    • wild bill

      Your right

    • SensChirp

      I actually don’t know if that’s true. Or wasn’t always true, anyway. They showed a ton of confidence in him, giving him that 3 year deal. Probably jumped the gun a little bit at the time but seemed to know he was gonna be worth it down the line.

      • spezzerman

        sounds like Paul Maclean got a talking to at the end of the year and hopefully Patrick Weircioch’s usage was high on that list. Although, it was management who decided to keep Cowen up when he was clearly, clearly struggling.

        I would hope that Phillips isn’t a lock to play every night if the blueline is crowded and they need to get a guy like Weircioch into the lineup more often.

        • A-Train

          Decided to keep Cowen when he was clearly, clearly struggling? Do you mean when he signed his deal? Because that was coming off an incredibly solid season. Or do you mean at the deadline last season when his value was next to nothing?

          • spezzerman

            I said keep Cowen UP when he was struggling, as in, in the NHL vs AHL.

            I am big fan of Cowen and recognize that young dmen need time to find their game.

          • A-Train

            Ah yes. I see.

          • spezzerman

            I even have “Cowen apologist” in my twitter bio.

          • A-Train

            Haha. Your Cowen credentials are impeccable…

          • Lucretia

            In any other org., those who have the $ to spend on the right players, both Cowan and PW46 would have been playing 3rd pairing minutes in order to develop properly. PW46 was asked to play his off side to cover for his aging partner who can only turn one way. PW46 has gotten the shitty end of the stick if you ask me. As for Boro, I’ll admit he has “character” what he also has is the tendency to run around the ice looking for a big hit when he should be playing hockey.

          • Don Ciccio

            I agree with you

      • Conor_smythe

        Two words: Tim Murray

    • whammer44

      Not so sure its the organization or fans…and even then its people trying to speculate on how to deal with the log jam back there.

  • Dirk-Diggler

    I hope Ottawa carries 8 D to start the year and once they see Boro or Phillips struggling mightily will put Weircioch in the lineup and realize he’s the guy they should be betting on…. Put Boro back in the AHL and cut ties with him if you have to. Unless you can convince Phillips to be traded and use Boro as 7th..

    • MethotToMyMadness

      Boro will be a 5-6 D in Ottawa, on a very good contract at 600,000. Even if he comes out and super impresses Management this season, he won’t fetch more than a 1.2-1.4 mil extension, give or take. He’s not a guy we need to worry about cutting ties with.

      But I agree about Wiercioch, he’s not being seen as the player he was projected to be with the Org. I think a lot of it has to do with how the D was lined up this year and the way they mixed and matched Gryba with Wiercioch depending on who the opposition was, and then the insurgence of Ceci. Neither of them got a full season, as they all saw almost an equal amount of games/TOI

    • zippy

      Boro is an energy guy. Kind of the defensive equivalent of Fisher. Basic player, and a fighter. When the team is in a funk….play him more.

      You need to keep these guys.

      I would keep Ceci and trade Weircoch.

      • Sandy

        The only issue I have with Boro is the penalties he takes.

    • Pasky

      Boro will essentially give us a Carkner again, although probably a more solid hockey player. Not scared to fight anyone, cheap enough contract to sit him as a 7th D… There’s more upside than downside to keeping him.

      • Brutus5247

        He’s a couple of concussions away from not being in the league. Fighting is losing its glory in hockey.

    • Don Ciccio

      The unfortunate thing is that Wiercioch has already proven himself better than Phillips and Boro but for some reason our coach doesn’t seem to like him much and that is the reason why he will probably be traded. Hope I am wrong but Ottawa will make this dumb move sooner or later.

      • CUP 2014-15

        could not agree more about PW but the area that I think gets him in trouble with the coaches is his D to D pass when pressured. For a guy that has great vision, makes beauty stretch passes and can skate the one thing that drove me nuts with him last year was when pressured he would send a bouncing out of reach puck across to his D partner. Off the glass and out would be a better option but he is so skilled I don’t know if that is in him.

  • WaitingSince92

    Hey everybody. Just to set the record straight, getting rid of Methot would be stupid – just plain stupid. Let’s just take our most reliable D on a team with defensive issues and get rid of him… because that will help.

    Sometimes I wonder if the only thing some fans know are the names of players.

    • Stephane Cantin

      well said

    • Dirk-Diggler

      long term benefits of moving him are far greater than the benefits of keeping him

    • runningbear1974

      I agree with you… Methot is our most dependable defenseman… And it doesn’t make sense to trade him… But, people are just talking shit, talking different situations… Fills the time… Stupid to trade him, but interesting to talk about that possibility…

    • Andrews theory

      agreed… he’s more valuable to us than he is in a trade.. it’d be understandable if there was someone else pushing him for ice time but that simply isnt the case.

    • A-Train

      He’s good, reliable and also seems to be popular with fans and enjoys playing in his home town. Bad trade candidate.

    • SensChirp

      I’d be talking to him about an extension this summer. As in, right now. If the numbers seem out of whack, I would consider moving him. And I’m a big Methot fan.

      Cowen, Phillips, Wiercioch, Borowiecki, Claesson all left hand shots. I dunno. I’d hate to lose him but if an extension is going to be an issue, have to consider it.

      • A-Train

        Personally I’m not a big fan of the early extension, unless you are talking about a premium talent like Bobby Ryan — and even then it’s kind of a necessary evil.

        For guys like Macarthur and Methot, as much as I like them I’d still like to see more. Trade deadline extension at the earliest — more flexibility for the team if things go really south this year.

        • spezzerman

          Normally, I’d agree but with our crowded blueline, I’d like to know what a Methot contract looks like before I trade, say, Weircioch away.

        • Pasky

          If we can’t extending though we can trade him and keep Weircioch in a Top 4 role. Give him a shot before losing him which is what looks like will happen right now.

      • Hax

        The extension is the key. If we can lock him up at a number and term that we like then do it and do it fast. If he wants more money or term than we’re comfortable with then he’s a great asset to move to get back someone who can play in our top 6. I’d hate to see him go but of all our left-hand D there’s nobody I want to lose. So it’s more about getting the best return.

      • http://www.Merchaholic.ca Merchaholic

        You already know the numbers will be out of whack with any deal we try and make with him under #MelnykProblems ownership. I do feel he would consider a home discount though, but not complete robbery like Melnyk likes to try and pull all the time.

      • Pugnacious Serf

        And Methot has the most trade value, unfortunately all three lefties on the roster have struggled when given the #2 chance. Only way I’m trading him is if its a package and I’m getting a #1 pick from a borderline playoff team.

    • http://www.Merchaholic.ca Merchaholic

      I agree with you. The stupidest thing we could do right now is trade Methot lol.

  • Long Time Lurker

    If Methot could be traded for a quality right handed D it would be a good move. Otherwise we should keep him.

    • CUP 2014-15

      Not sure we want to spend on another Righty when he is only going to get about ten min. a game considering Karl and CC will eat up close to 50 a night. Unless CC gets bumped down and he isn’t what we expect him to be. Otherwise a guy similar to EG is perfect. PK and about 7-10 min of 5 on 5

      • Brutus5247

        You will see a lot MORE EG if the team has leads this year. If we do poorly and are playing CATCH UP his minutes will be down like last year. You need the offensive guys on the ice when you are behind.

        • CUP 2014-15

          He averaged just over 17 min a night last year and I can see that dropping way off if CC is the two way guy I think he can be. You could not be more right when it comes to game situation though.

          • Brutus5247

            Can you play him less if he is their best shutdown guy?

      • Jakester

        Exactly, the right Side is secure for quite a few years. Two puck movers and an ace Penalty killer like Gryba.

        • CUP 2014-15

          Morning Jakester, had to get some crap done last night but good banter all the same pal.

          • Jakester

            Hi Cup, hope you’re doing well.

        • Zelle

          Gryba is the perfect type of player to follow behind EK and CC, really happy they signed him. Our RHD is good. It’s the left I’m worried about. Same goes for the LW…

          • Hax

            I think Ceci may struggle with second pairing minutes this year so I’d still probably want to see another RHD slot in between him and EK. But if Ceci is ready (or in a year or two when he absolutely will be) then yeah, EK-CC-EG is a good looking right side.

    • A-Train

      Just keep the player you think is best. Trying to mix and match righty/lefty too much is a recipe for heartache down the road.

    • Pugnacious Serf

      I think Karlsson Ceci and Gryba down the right side is a pretty good bank of right handed shots. The question is who between Weicoich Phillips and Cowen are going to workt their ass off to be on the left side after Methot.

  • Conor_smythe

    Sad to say it, I’ve been a Sens fan since day one.. but I’m one stupid trade away from boycotting the team until Eugene is out of the picture

    Hoping Murray has a trick up his sleeve… but at this point. I doubt it

    I can’t be a toronto-type-fan.. cheering for a team that is clearly a Turd sandwich

    Hoping we have mass exodus of fans this season and Melnyk catches on and spends… or sells

    being a hockey fan is supposed to be fun… lately its been downright depressing

    Lecavalier doesn’t even wanna play here… this is a guy who got a 40 million dollar buyout and then another contract on top of that..he shouldnt care where he plays

    • A-Train

      Re Lecavalier. The guy JUST signed a long term deal with a NMC. It’s pretty galling that he’d be shopped after a season where he scored 20 goals.

      Not sure we should take it that personally.

      • spezzerman

        He has always had canadian teams on his no trade clause. its not specific to Ottawa…

        • Brutus5247

          F’N TAXES!

          • KJ

            For a lot of guys, it is about taxes, especially guys who have played most of their career stateside.

          • Sensnation

            The stories of our media and blood crazed fans has spread to all the players.

          • KJ

            Our fan base and a few bloggers (not Chirp) would eat him alive. True. :) also a factor undoubtedly.

    • silver seven

      Frustrating for sure, but these are not our darkest days, not by a long shot. As far as an exodus, i believe last year was one of our worst ever in regards to attendance, and season tickets have not been flying off the shelf as of late. The message is there for the owner and brass, compete or fade away. I still have faith in, but you are right it sucks that our owner , with a team in canada , cries poor, when really they have not tried to grow the game here all that much. I have a feeling murray pulls one off here, call me crazy.

    • Jakester

      We know you’re a Habs fan dude!

    • ChiassonDownTheCup

      The definition of a fair weather fan…everyone hates our alcoholic, mouthy owner with bad investments – I understand that…but you’re not cheering for an owner, you should be cheering for the players as representatives of the great city of Ottawa.

      • A-Train

        Like the handle…. (pronunciation issues aside)

      • Conor_smythe

        Lol fairweather…. its really easy to come up with labels and live in a box

        Have a little bit of Pride and Dignity, it will do you some good

        This isnt about the City of Ottawa. its about the game of hockey

        • ChiassonDownTheCup

          Were you complaining when we were in the cup final under Melnyk’s ownership? What about when we were faced with the real possibility of losing the team all together and Melnyk bailed it out?
          You go ahead and abandon your team (when things aren’t even that bad) and I’ll continue being a loyal fan.

          • Conor_smythe

            dont forget, that cup final team only cost 43 million dollars.. melnyk was probably pissing himself laughing that he inherited such a cheap gold mine.. the salary cap (and floor) has completely changed his ownership style. the days of the past are gone.. get with the times….

            …or just accept that we will never win a championship… and never have anything to talk about, except “hey, we made the playoffs this year… too bad we have zero chance at winning it all”.. which is the reality under Melnyk

            I’m not abandoning my team, I’m abandoning Melnyks personal ATM. Obviously you have no idea what the point of a boycott is. or a protest. or taking a stand to try to CHANGE something that you believe in

            you call me fairweather, I call you gutless

      • runningbear1974

        I was chatting with my buddy last night about favourite player on the team (or prospect)… We love Turris, Zibanejad, Ryan, Karlsson, Lazar, MacArthur… There are a lot of awesome players on the team… I like this batch of players a lot more than the batch that went to the finals… We have a north American type team now… We have opportunity to build things the right way… I’m super excited about the future…

    • Hax

      “he shouldn’t care where he plays” – wow that pretty much sums out how little thought you put into this.

  • A-Train

    Re Weircioch.

    I like the way Murray and his team have been able to use relatively unheralded players they drafted or acquired easily, then developed into well-regarded pros, then flipped for high-end assets.

    Silfverberg and Rundblad both worked out well this way. Bishop not so much. A season or two ago Mark Stone would have been a great trade piece, but they hung onto him and now we’ll have to see if he pans out.

  • Brutus5247

    Cowens’s contract value, injuries, poor performance are making his trade value decline to the point where the team will likely have to hold half of his contract. I can’t see him as a high value trade at this point.
    PW46 has his own defensive weaknesses, healthy scratch time, and a 2 mill contract won’t make him easy to trade. Teams will develop their younger players on ELC’s.
    Boro had a so so season in the AHL and will have little trade value.
    Phillips is 2.5 mill, lost his speed can’t see much trade value.
    Methot 3 mil solid shutdown guy.. very good trade value.
    Ceci ELC cheap, developing, will not be traded.
    Gryba cheap(Melnyk like this) RHD can play regularly in a shutdown role without hurting the team. Could be traded for what another shutdown D that costs 3.5 mil.
    KArlsson A+++ offensively C defensively..won’t be traded

    • sens88

      What are PW46′s defensive weaknesses? I don’t understand why people keep saying that or why McLean chose to keep playing Gryba/Phillips/Cowen all season even when they were horrifically bad. If the Sens trade him away for nothing, they’re idiots.

      • CUP 2014-15

        Well EG is obvious as PW can’t play the right side. I stated below what my guess is to why he sits. In short I agree he has an outstanding outlet pass, good speed a nice shot. Many point to him being so soft but that can and will be fixed with some more time in the weight room. I think his biggest issue last year was they tried to force him to the right side early in the season ( Gryba sat for weeks on end ) they then tried moving Cowen to the right and that was no better. Enter EG. The one thing that I noticed was his short D to D passes when pressured were bouncing and off line and he could not make the easy cross ice pass causing problems for his D partners. Just guessing from a beer drinking avid fan.

      • Sensnation

        He is soft as hell right now. He’s a big body, but does’t quite know how to use it. And these amazing stats he’s put up have been in controlled and protected minutes. Aside from that, he’s a young dman learning the nhl game. He has the potential to be more than an offensive specialist, but so far that’s all he’s shown or been given the chance to show.

  • Pasky

    Methot & Cowen for Myers & 2nd 2015
    Greening, Smith, Prince & 2nd 2015 Dallas for Sharp & Leddy
    Sign Ott 1 yr 2M

    Sharp-Zibanejad-Ryan
    MacArthur-Turris-Stone
    Michalek-Lazar-Chiasson
    Hoffman-Ott-Neil/Condra

    Leddy-Karlsson
    Weircioch-Myers
    Phillips-Ceci
    Borowiecki

    None of these will happen so get off my tits lol

  • Stephane Cantin

    Was looking at our forwards and if Murray can get us a good top 6 or
    even top 9 forward we can have our offense spread out to 3 good
    lines..My question is…Is it better to have one very good scoring line
    or 3 even offensively lines? because I look at most team besides very
    few that have good assets for a very good top line with the rest of the
    team filled with fillers…

    Ryan-Turris-MacArthur

    Stone?-Zibby-Michalek

    Chiasson-Lazar-Hoffman

    Please get us Hodgson so we can put him as our 2nd line center and move Zibby to the wing with him

    • CUP 2014-15

      I like the lines but Zibby is never going to the wing again.

      • A-Train

        God I hope not. My favourite part of this offseason so far has been the vote of confidence they’ve given Zibanejad as a future first line centre.

        I know Murray talked about a move that would force one of his players to the wing…but it can’t be Zibanejad.

        • CUP 2014-15

          Agreed, outside of BM talking about Zib being the number 1, there was also the issue last year where there seemed to be miscommunication between him and PMac over Zib moving to the wing leading to Grant being sent back down. I would be shocked to see him moved from the middle.

    • Hax

      Let Zibanejad center the third line (assuming he gets good wingers). Lazar can play wing as he learns the NHL game.

      • Stephane Cantin

        with Turris, Zibby and lazar being C…one of them will have to play wings if they want to be in the top 6

        • Hax

          I would rather see someone brought in so Zibanejad and Lazar both play on the third line. At least to start. Lazar hasn’t played an NHL game yet – too soon to just toss him in the top 6.

          • Guest

            yan-Turris-MacArthur

            Chiasson-Hodgson-Michalek

            Stone-Zibby-Lazaar

          • Stephane Cantin

            Ryan-Turris-MacArthur

            Chiasson-Hodgson-Michalek

            Stone-Zibby-Lazaar

          • Hax

            MacArthur-Turris-Ryan
            Michalek-Hodgson-Stone
            Chiasson-Zibanejad-Lazar

          • Stephane Cantin

            that would give us 3 good decent scoring line

        • CUP 2014-15

          That would be Lazar. The team (PD) has said flat out that they see him as a right wing but with the arrival of AC and having BR and MS along with CN on the right, they are looking at starting him in the middle

  • MoeDozer

    Lost in all this trade talks, I want to know what the euge is doing with that TSN money…clearly not spending it on this team any time soon

    • Brutus5247

      You’ll never know so don’t worry about it.

    • Sandy

      Putting into a cash strapped and risky Trimel. OR paying down his massive debt.
      Anything but put it into the team.

    • Sensnation

      He doesn’t have it yet, that contract is for this coming season.

  • Sandy

    You beat to the Nichols article Chirp.
    It was a good read.

    • SensChirp

      Which article?

  • esk

    Interesting. Dallas Stars GM Jim Nill on Alex Chiasson- “Well, he’s a good young player. He’s going to be a power forward. He’s 6-foot-4, 220 pounds, he’s got a real good touch around the net and, you know – I know Bryan’s – everybody’s down on Bryan, but Bryan did a good job. He got the right pieces. He went after the right guys.

    “Much like the Tyler Seguin deal last year, nobody really knew who Reilly Smith was until this season and now they know who he is. So Ottawa got a good young player and then the young kids they got in the deal, the Guptill kid played at University of Michigan. I think the real sleeper, and the guy I didn’t want to give up, but Bryan insisted and that’s where his staff did a good job, was Nicholas Paul who’s in North Bay. He’s going to be a good player. He’s been invited to Canada’s World Junior team. He’s a 6-foot-4 centerman. He’s going to be a good solid player, so Bryan – they did a good job. They got the assets they needed to get. They’re young players and it’s going to help their team, so it was a good hockey trade that way.”

    http://www.nicholsonhockey.com/worthreading/2014/7/4/nichols-notes

    • Hax

      Classy of Nill. Even if it’s just lip service. He doesn’t have to say stuff like that and I would bet that if he were GM in a Canadian market he wouldn’t go that far. In Vancouver or somewhere in Canada his own fans would read that and get irate that he gave up too much.

    • Sandy

      So Chiasson is the power forward Murray has been looking for, therefore, we don’t need Stewart.
      Thank god for that.

      • Harv

        You got that right. Hopefully the love affair with Stewart is history.

    • sens88

      He seems like a classy guy. Nice of him to say that

      • A-Train

        Indeed. Class move. I’m pretty excited about Chiasson especially. Got a feeling about him. If a player like that can find success on say … a Michalek – Zibanejad – Chiasson line…

    • Phoenix

      I like the deal. The only thing that I wished happened and probably
      which might had made more fans happy was receiving a conditional 1st if
      Spezza resigned in Dallas and make it a 2nd if he didn’t. Still as a
      whole I think its a good deal.

  • John Q. Spartan

    Lose Honor for Connor!

    • jimmyjohnson

      No Honor for Connor

      • John Q. Spartan

        Nice.

    • A-Train

      If we bring back a Corvo-esque ex-Sen again…. Recycle for Eichel?

      • John Q. Spartan

        Ache For Jake?

        • A-Train

          Haha. A little uncomfortable, but sure.

      • jimmyjohnson

        That sounds like if I’m disposing of my plastic in an earth friendly manner, I’ll be rewarded with a better hockey team.

        Oh, if only it was that simple.

    • EK65

      Jaded for McDacvid

  • Jimmy!

    Anybody know a great place to stream live sports for free?

    • ChiassonDownTheCup

      hahasports or ATDHE. Pretty low quality streams. If it’s for the World Cup – CBC.ca has a dynamite stream.

      • Jimmy!

        No looking for Tennis & TDF…..

    • EK65

      Search VIP box sports. That’s where I go

  • jimmyjohnson

    What’s so wrong with this:

    Wiercioch – Karlsson
    Cowen – Ceci
    ——- – Gryba

    That’s a pretty solid group to move forward with. Why are they looking to move any of them.

    Put Methot next to Gryba and boom, done.

    This Phillips contract is a nightmare for this team. What a terrible signing.

    • Sensnation

      That first pairing is soft and weak as hell!

      • jimmyjohnson

        But they will dominate possession and put up crazy points.

        • Sensnation

          How can you say that Yost?

          • jimmyjohnson

            I felt like that last season when watching them paired. It happened on occasion and it was a great pairing.

        • John Q. Spartan

          Ya, I have serious doubts about that pairings ability to keep the puck out of the net, especially considering the big minutes any Karlsson pairing will play …

        • Brutus5247

          Possession is overrated when you stink when you don’t have the puck!

    • Jakester

      Oh yeah Cowen is mighty solid.

      • jimmyjohnson

        We’ll see. If he’s still shit this year, than I would push him off on whoever wants him. But until then, he could have been going through a sophomore slump

        • Jakester

          Or push him off a cliff.

    • CUP 2014-15

      Methot has been at his best playing with EG. No Karl to cover for and the two of them work well on the PK together

  • jimmyjohnson

    I also want to say that I really hate Maclean right now. I keep thinking of all the dumb moves he and his staff make and it makes me angry. I really don’t like this coaching staff.

    • Sensnation

      Is it his entire tenure that bugs you, or just that he missed the playoffs this past year for the first time while making decisions you didn’t agree with?

      • jimmyjohnson

        We could have made the playoffs and I still would have hated half his decisions.

        I wasn’t a big Maclean guy from the start and now I’m pretty close to wanting to see him fired.

        As has been noted elsewhere before, a lot of his decisions in year 1 and 2 were highly questionable.

        • FistsofNeil25

          He’s still learning though. He’s still a pretty inexperienced head coach.

  • sprucesens

    from yost, posting from garrioch.?? anyways, should be good news for most people

    “Another league source said the Senators have made it clear that wingers Colin Greening or wingerand Erik Condra are available for a reasonable return”

    • jimmyjohnson

      What’s a reasonable return?

      Two late draft picks with low ceilings that are likely to punish your team for employing them?

      SIGN ME UP!

    • CUP 2014-15

      You would have to think ZS is in church right now praying that this happens

    • SensChirp

      Trading Condra would be incredibly stupid. Not only is he affordable and
      effective and one of the team’s best penalty killers…there would be almost zero return.

      Silly. Non-sense. Dumb.

      • CaMo

        Greening though … have at him.

      • Jakester

        Crazy would be the other team wanting him. Ringuette would be Condra’s ultimate game.

      • FistsofNeil25

        What more could people want from a fourth line player? He doesn’t hurt our team in any way, unlike #25 and #14.

        There’s no point in just giving him a way.

        • Jakester

          Doesn’t hurt the other team either cuz he never touches any of them.

          • FistsofNeil25

            That’s because his line usually has the puck when he’s on the ice. Unlike Greening and Neil who have to chase the play every single shift.

            I’d rather have a player on my fourth line who drives possession than a guy who has to run around hitting every time he’s on the ice because he doesn’t have the puck.

          • Jakester

            As a fourth liner I’d rather have Dziurzinski than Condra, so soft. And wow he was awesome on the PK last year, we were ranked…….

          • FistsofNeil25

            PK is a team stat. DD isn’t even an NHL caliber player. That’s hilarious man.

          • Jakester

            Just giving an example using DD,Schneider, or Grant, Hell Condra has trouble lifting the puck out of the zone, he shoots it like a girl. Sens are passed this guy, we have prospects way better than this.

          • FistsofNeil25

            If DD and Schneider are so good then why didn’t the get one call up last year when we struggled from start to finish?

            There’s nothing wrong with Condra. He’s not a problem on this team. I don’t care if he’s scoring goals because when he’s on the ice, the other team doesn’t score either.

            If there’s anyone to replace within the forward group it’s Greening. Condra’s a better overall player and comes at half the price.

          • Jakester

            Zzzzzzzzzzzz, ok Condra’s a f-ing superstar, you’re right!

          • FistsofNeil25

            I’m not saying that at all, but you aren’t going to replace him with anyone better on the fourth line. He’s better than anyone in Bingo that you would want playing fourth line minutes. We don’t want guys like Prince, Puempel or Lazar playing fourth line minutes and Condra is a better hockey player than David Dziurzynski lol

          • Jakester

            Dziurzinski was effective when he played, scored 2 goals in what 6 games, those are better numbers than Condra(that’s a season for him).

          • FistsofNeil25

            And Jimmy O’Brien led the team in goals last season for the first 10 games or whatever. It means absolutely nothing. Go compare Condra’s AHL numbers to Dziurzynski’s. Condra pretty much doubles DD’s production so don’t tell me he’s a better offensive player. That’s laughable.

          • Jakester

            Look at Schneider’s numbers and Grants numbers Duf, let’s clog up our system with a guy who should be playing in Switzerland, for f sakes lets not argue over a guy with little value. To me he’s just preventing real good players from moving up. You have to keep promoting your guys, he isn’t elite.

      • boom

        No offense Chrip, and I alluded to this (your high opinion of Condra) in a previous post, but you’re full of shit with regards to Condra.

        Tell me, how good did he do last year on the PK? I understand that he’s a useful player, and is affordable, but to say that it’s dumb to consider trading him makes about half of your followers dumb, I would guess.

        We just traded away the best center we have ever had for 3 guys we hope will be players, but to consider trading Conra is silly?

        I like almost everything about your writing, and your site, but it annoys me when someone can’t offer an opinion without being called stupid.

        Funny, I always thought it annoyed you too.

        Signed,
        Dumb, Silly, and non-sensical.(it’s a word, I looked it up)

        • SensChirp

          Ha. The “opinion” I was calling stupid was that of the Ottawa Senators if they are considering moving Condra. Not because he’s irreplaceable but because he does his job effectively (lots of numbers to back this up) and at a reasonable price. He’s an effective 4th line player.

          Add to that, there would be next to no return. It’s not losing Condra that’s the issue because as was mentioned below, there may be prospects that can do what he does.

          It’s the idea that this is a piece they are actively shopping. That’s dumb.

          • Brutus5247

            I would keep Condra. For the money he’s a defensive specialist. Just needs to work on finishing when he has the opportunity to score.

      • CaMo

        I just laugh now when Condra gets a breakaway. Nobody should expect him to score. He’s all defence which is fine but sometimes it would be nice to see him bury those glorious chances he seems to get so many of.

        • SensChirp

          No argument here.

          • CaMo

            Lol he should be forced to shoot 500 pucks a day. Minimum

  • CUP 2014-15

    Well just took a trip Eklund and we now know that S.J. is not likely dealing with Ottawa as Ek has them rumored to be talking big deal with Ottawa. On another note, I am in a great mood s didn’t even open Yost’s, headline is Directionless, LOL

    • sprucesens

      yeah, I did the opposite, skipped past eklund’s SJ rumour, and browsed yost. We are both headed to a bad place..lol

      • CUP 2014-15

        lol, almost time to start the bartab

      • Jakester

        Yost, The only guy who salivates over Condra.

        • CUP 2014-15

          But, but, but he has outstanding underlying numbers

          • Jakester

            Nice to possess the puck but would be nice if it found the back of the net too, lol. Impossible when he’s out there.

        • CaMo

          Yost is a clown.

          • SensChirp

            Why?

          • CaMo

            His Display Pic for one. Corsi is the most important stat to him. I don’t disagree with his tweets too much but his articles drive me nuts… He’s overly negative too I think.

          • SensChirp

            They can be a tough read. But he really does add value to discussion about players. Those numbers are useful. I do think, in general, the analytics community has struggled with their presentation.

          • CaMo

            I think it’s just the way he presents it. I get the numbers and stats. But he’s so matter of factly about it, like – this is why we suck, duh. I feel like he thinks he’s the smartest guy in the blogsphere or something. Grinds my gears.

          • Andrews theory

            I enjoy reading Yost’s articles because he’s not afraid to put himself out there and voice his opinion. I don’t always agree with his opinion but he’s usually put some thought and analysis behind it to support his argument.

            Pretty funny that people go there, read his articles (for free) then complain about the guy.

            I love Canada but a lot of Canadians suck.

          • CaMo

            He should start his own blog website … Supporting Eklund is just wrong. #Fraud

          • CUP 2014-15

            He is totally stats driven and as much as they are important they are only numbers. Corsi showed EG to be the best D on the club last year yet Yost thinks he’s useless. He uses the stats when he likes them and only when they work for him. As a team NJ at 5 and Van at 8 in corsi and OTT finishing ahead of Pens and Ducks should tell us all we need to know about how stats can be off. I love stats and that in itself is a big reason for baseball roto leagues being the most fun but how about some insight that does not come from a spread sheet.
            Also, a small amount of positivity might be good once a month or so. He doesn’t need to make shit up but he has been doing nothing but tearing down this organization since he was hacked.

          • SensChirp

            Some good points. Although I think he has come around on Gryba, and that’s because his underlying numbers improved so much last year.

            Nobody, Yost included, has ever claimed that these analytics are 100% predictors of success. Just another tool that we can use to analyze the game.

            I also have issue with some of these statistics but they are pretty much impossible to ignore for anyone that wants to seriously analyze the game these days.

          • Jakester

            When the stats back his opinions they’re fine. Gryba as a second year guy looked fine to me. Our future Johnny Boychuk. They abandoned him in the AHL strike year and was leading the league in plus minus.

          • FistsofNeil25

            I like Yost but sometimes he does go overboard lol

    • CaMo

      Hockeybuzzhogwash.com …. this all but proves how muhc bullshit Eklund spews.

  • dasammy89

    ….I dont like the idea of trading Wiercioch either..maybe it has to do with coach? lack of effort? commitment? plays hard? attitude problems? cant think of anything else

    • jimmyjohnson

      What’s going to happen is Wiercioch will be traded and go on to be one of the league’s best top 4 support players and we will fire Maclean before the 2015-16 season is out.

      This possibility, maybe above all else, has me really hating Maclean.

  • Hax

    It’s funny how so many people feel they need to take an extreme opinion. Players are either useless and should be traded for a bag of pucks or they’re untouchable.

    How about the notion that Condra does his job well, doesn’t cause any problems on the ice or off and is cheap. No team is going to offer much for him so why trade him? Include him in a package deal if you need to clear a roster spot but otherwise he’s not the problem or the solution.

    • Harv

      Put me in the “don’t trade Condra” group. It doesn’t make sense.

    • John Q. Spartan

      He’s filler, no need to get too worked up over roster filler …

    • Pat D

      possibly one of the best penalty killers in the league

    • disqus_WM2nEp4TF2

      Your first sentence = Tookie and Jake
      over and over and over and over again
      SensChirp would be a rich man if he charged them 5 cents a post

  • Pat D

    I don’t see the point of signing Legwand… 977 games and 577 points isn’t good at all. Everybody is against signing Vinny, but why? Because of a bad year? The guy is a 2nd Line center and he could really help this YOUNG team with his presence.. he’s a 4 time All-Star and a Maurice Richard trophy winner and Stanley Cup winner. So what’s the big problem with Vinny? His contract sucks but if Philly eats 2Mil for the next 2 seasons that would be an amazing pick up. Imagine him with Chaisson and Zibby…

    Another option could be Steve Ott, he’s a workhorse and doesn’t take shit from nobody!

    • thepez

      577 points in 977 games “isn’t good at all”? Have you ever watched Legwand play? I’m assuming not. Averaging 50 points a year in todays NHL makes you a very rich player. Personally Legwand would be a terrific addition for this young hockey club.

      • Pat D

        1106 games and 911 points or 977 games and 577 points?

        • thepez

          As I said you have not watched Legwand play. Legwand is a two way player, very responsible in his own end. While Vinnie concentrated on the offense and didn’t much care about his own end.

        • Hax

          Probably better to talk about what to expect from the future then get hung up on the past. Vinnie has injury issues and people are pretty much unanimous that his game has declined dramatically.

        • Sandy

          If those are Vinny’s #’s most of them are from the beginning to his mid-career.

    • CaMo

      You would rather have Ott than Legwand?

    • CaMo

      Hahah You’re going to see the point for the next 2 years. It’s a bargain too @ 3mil.

      • FistsofNeil25

        Helluva bargain.

    • Sandy

      Lecavalier is not the player he was. His game is slowing down. And he’s signed for 4 more years. Makes 6M next season. No thanks.

  • John Q. Spartan

    How much money is it going to take to re-sign Bobby Ryan, now that he’s seen all the the ridiculous money that was thrown around during Free Agent Frenzy?

    • FistsofNeil25

      Probably too much for what he’s worth.

      • John Q. Spartan

        Agreed.

        • FistsofNeil25

          Before this summer I thought that 4, 5 or 6 years at 6M was very reasonable for Bobby Ryan. I think it’s going to take a lot more than that now.

    • ChiassonDownTheCup

      6.5 for 6 years.

      • Sandy

        7 yrs @ 48 – 50M. They have to sign him.

        • jimmyjohnson

          Can’t overpay someone who doesn’t want to be here.

          If he walks as a UFA, I will be pissed.

          But if they can get a good asset back for him, the trade will have only been bad (as opposed to horrible, terrible, horrendous, atrocious, god-awful, etc.)

          • Sandy

            If he wants to stay they have to sign him.
            If he doesn’t want to stay they will trade him.

          • jimmyjohnson

            Wrong. If he wants to stay, there is no question they will sign him.

            If he doesn’t want to stay, Murray will keep him in the lineup to start the season in the futile hopes that he will make us a contender and maybe change his mind. If we are in the playoff race at the deadline, he won’t be moved, we won’t win shit, and then he will walk.

            We will have lost 3 very good assets for two very pointless years of Ryan.

            This is the nightmare scenario and it oh-so plausible.

  • FBP

    3 mil x 2 year for Legwand!

  • EK65

    Sens sign Legwand. 2 years 3 mil per year. Great signing

    • FistsofNeil25

      Seriously?

      • Hax

        Yup. Confirmed.

        • thepez

          Solid signing. Like it a lot

        • FistsofNeil25

          That’s a very good contract for Ottawa. A 50 point player for 3M lol awesome. I was expecting him to get a lot more than that from Buffalo or Edmonton. Well done Murray!

          • EK65

            Sounds like Toronto offered him more money. Maybe Ottawa was willing to give him the 2nd year or more playing time.

          • I’m just sayin’

            Kanata can be a nice place to live if the wife and kiddies want a more relaxed life style versus MegaHog

          • Zelle

            Ottawa is a nice city, I don’t know why so many Sens fans crap on it all the time. I mean I like TO and Mtl too but Ottawa has its own appeal.

          • CUP 2014-15

            I think the Ottawa Valley is great for these guys, seems like a lot of them live in the Calabogie area or up in Carp. The western boys problem love being less then a half hour from the rink when they are at their hunt camp or fishing. Gotta love the area.

          • Hax

            Looking forward to Pat D ranting about it.

          • Pat D

            not going to rant about it..

            Do we put him on a line with zibanejad or move zibby down to the 3rd line?

    • CaMo

      Good stuff.

      • JRMcPeeWee

        I like it

    • Sandy

      You beat me to that.
      I like the signing because he is a serviceable centre and decent money.
      And better than Lecavalier can stay in Philly. They can unload him to so other team.
      So the next items to make me happy with this team is Ryan & MacArthur signings.

    • I’m just sayin’

      a PM type of player – a veteran who plays in the whole rink
      a solid signing

  • dasammy89

    soo trade isnt happening?

    • FistsofNeil25

      Murray said trade was for a winger didn’t he?

      • dasammy89

        oh ya true..but he also said no more UFA’s

        • FistsofNeil25

          If he can swing a quantity for quality trade to land a top 6 winger then the Sens should look pretty good next year. At least this puts the Vinny rumors to bed.

          • Sandy

            Thank god for that.

          • CaMo

            That’d be sweet.

        • Sandy

          Probably means the trade is dead.

  • Richard Gough

    So will he be on the a 2nd or 3 rd line

    • CaMo

      A bit of both I would imagine.

    • Hax

      Up to the coach to decide (and Zibanejad through his play). I assume he’s slotted to 3C but with the knowledge that he can help shelter Zibby if he needs it.

      • Sandy

        That’s what it’s all about. Helping out Zibby.

  • Hax

    Also looking forward to the “Legwand to replace Spezza?!?!” outrage. LOL

    • dasammy89

      legwand + chaisson should replace spezza’s production?

      • Sandy

        No, of course not. May help the defensive side in Legward and the grit part in Chiasson.
        The Sens will never be able to trade to bring in a player to replace Spezza’s points and skill. Not going to happen

        • dasammy89

          i was just talking about points..they should both combine for 80 pts. For sure cant match skill and ability to make others better..

    • FistsofNeil25

      This is a very good signing. Brings in a solid vet who can help relieve some pressure from Turris and Zibanejad. Has good size and can skate. Also gives us another left hand center. I’m liking this signing especially with that contract.

    • Kielbasa

      No kidding. It doesn’t matter who Ottawa signs at this point. Every signing will be crapped on. I think this is a good signing by Ottawa. Good numbers. Good price. Good job Murray.

      • FBP

        Everyone seems to like this signing.

      • CaMo

        I don’t really see how we can complain about this one. We needed another centre and this guy is a proven 50 point guy. Great pick up.

        • Sandy

          Also allows Lazar to develop on the wing of the 3rd line to start.

          • CUP 2014-15

            I was thinking the same thing so he will have to beat out Stone or play 4th line min. and sit Neil. BR, AC, MS, CL, CN. The right side is setting up nicely

    • jimmyjohnson

      This comment is how I found out we won the Legwand sweepstakes.

      I want to thank you for brightening my day, Hax.

      This is a very good signing for us.

  • CaMo

    Macarthur- Turris- Ryan
    Michalek- Zib/Legwand – Stone
    Chaisson- Zib/Legwand – Lazar
    Condra- Smith- Neil – Greening

    One more move for a winger would make this look a lot nicer.

    • markukihokej

      I like that!

    • I’m just sayin’

      I like both versions of your 2B line

    • Sandy

      Don’t see Hoffman? What happens with that?
      A trade must be coming to unload a D and a forward or two.

      • CaMo

        He’s on a 2-way deal isnt he?… Figured he’s going to be odd man out.

        • Sandy

          He has to clear waivers to go to the AHL. If he won’t be used in the lineup at least try to trade him for a low draft pick,

  • thepez

    I wonder if this means Lazar will be sent back to junior. With him being one of the leaders for Team Canada and the WJHC being played in Canada, would not be a bad idea to further his development with one more year of junior play.

    On as side note Legwand normally wears 11………

    • CaMo

      I don’t see Lazar being sent down.

    • I’m just sayin’

      It’s always going to have been a tough call for Rock Star Lazar
      my preference ?
      keep him in the NHL but let him go to the World Juniors

    • Sandy

      Now that’s interesting. Will they give him that number?

      • CUP 2014-15

        I see no reason why not. If Paul Coffee could wear 7 in Boston until they retired Phil’s number. Class move if you never saw it. Coffee on the ice with No.7 Phil comes out for the ceremony and Coffee pulls off the 7 hands it to Phil and has a 77 on under it.

        • Captain Karl

          Ummmm….pretty sure that was Ray Bourque

  • Kid Krayon

    still need another vet on the back end but Legwand a good pic up.

    • Pat D

      NOW YOURE AGAINST YOUR BOY PHILLIPS?

      • Kid Krayon

        do you know what another means?????

    • Sandy

      Anyone know how Legwand’s skating is?

  • http://batman-news.com Johnny Skills

    I would consider picking up Lecavalier with the salary pickup and maybe another piece….its the salary that makes him look bad….but my major concern would be that we are moving towards more character guys and bringing it a “close” to retirement guy with nothing to prove is not a good idea.
    The legwand signing doesn’t concern me at all. He is a character guy for sure.

    • Sandy

      Lacavalier can stay where he is. Philly signed that terrible contract, let them deal with it.

  • KJ

    Legwand is a Senator!

  • I’m just sayin’

    22 players chase a ball for 90 minutes and then GERMANY WINS

  • Brutus5247

    sens88 Brutus5247 • 7 hours ago

    What are PW46′s defensive weaknesses?
    I’ll tell you. BATTLES in the defensive end. Attrocious at best. He seems to have NO core, leg or upper body strength. He falls down a lot and many bigger forwards skate right through him. If he can get stronger he could be an excellent player.

  • PaulMacLeansDuster

    I like Patrick Wiercoch.
    He makes great stretch passes, has a good shot on the power play and can be a very good quarterback on the second power play, which the Sens need.
    In the d zone he reminds a lot of Kuba. He is soft for his size. That said, he can still be effective in the d zone when he learns to play better positionally and use his stick.
    In the end, I would have a big problem if they traded Wiercoch because we spent ( how long?) looking for puck moving d-men? This was the supposed need for years! We have one. Give him time to grow into his body and learn to play defence properly. In a few years, he will be a top 4 d-man.