Sens Grab a Point in Tampa- Highlights

SensChirp January 24, 2014 262
Sens Grab a Point in Tampa- Highlights

-Another game where Jason Spezza was among the best forwards on the ice. Obviously the -2 stands out but unlike earlier in the season when he was racking up 5 on 5 goals against, the two goals last night just felt like bad luck. Spezza is moving his feet again and is able to carry the puck with authority. MacLean noticed too, taking Smith and Condra off his wings and putting him with more talented players in Michalek and Zibanejad. I love that MacArthur-Turris-Ryan line but it might be time to try Ryan and Spezza again.

-We get so caught up in the ups and downs of being a fan that sometimes we don’t just stop and appreciate how good Erik Karlsson really is. He was at his best again last night, racking up a goal and an assist along with a regular season career high 34:45. He leads all defenceman with 49 points and is just a goal back of Shea Weber for the league lead. Incredibly, he’s actually on a better point pace than his Norris Trophy season. If you have a quiet moment today, just thank Bryan Murray for trading up and grabbing him in the 2008 Draft. This guy is among the best players in the game.

-Chris Neil seems to be a bit of a lightning rod for criticism sometimes (I don’t get it at all, personally) but there isn’t a player on this team that does his job more consistently than Neil. His fight against Crombeen last night was perfectly timed with the Senators struggling to much of anything in the first five minutes and his late goal saved the Sens from what would have been a crippling regulation loss. The goal was number 100 for Chris Neil in his career too. Congratulations to Mr. Neil!

-I think I’ve had just about enough of the shootout. I’m pretty sure I would feel that way no matter which team I cheered for but watching the Senators struggle so badly in the post-overtime skills competition has just emphasized that fact. Time for the league to look at other options. How fun would it be to watch Erik Karlsson in a 3 on 3 situation??

What would you like to see the Senators do at the deadline?

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  • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

    Awesome thanks for the poll chirp!

    I am totally done with shootouts as well, and not only because we stink at them.

    And no to splitting up McArthur -Turris – Ryan

    • OverMind

      i agree the shootout sucks and 3on3 would be epic but the game has to end at some point and no one wants to see a game end in a tie.

      no real solution in my eyes.

      • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

        I have no problem with it ending in a tie…I say maybe bump the OT to ten minutes of 4 on 4 as the first step, if nothing happens then it is a tie…if that doesn’t work maybe split the 10 minutes into two OT periods, 4 on 4 then 3 on 3.

        I do suspect I am in the minority though.

        • The Apostle

          I have no problem with a game ending in a tie.

          A change I would make however is giving 3 points for a regulation win and 2 for a OT win. 1 point for an OT loss. that way every game is worth 3 points.

        • LeafsSux

          I’v been saying 3 on 3 for a while now.. Its still kind of a hockey situation and could be exciting..

  • SensChirp

    It’s no table but my goodness that’s a quality poll right there.

    • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

      Best poll I have seen in days!

      Wonder if there is a way to get it to auto update with the responses.(so far it is going pretty much exactly how I figured it would when I answered)

    • The Apostle

      If you had incorporated the poll into a table I believe you would have broken time.

    • my2sens

      First a table, now a pole… Chirp is building a Gentlemen’s Club!!

      • SensChirp

        An early contender for comment of the day!

    • boom

      Best one since Peter Sidorkiewicz…

    • Cicero

      It’s a great poll. Thanks for including ‘Nothing’ as an option!

      AAAANND HERE COME THE DOWNVOTES…..

  • Hax

    Best cure for the shootout is to never get there. I’m in favor of 3 point games (regulation win) and 2 points for OT/SO win with one point to the loser. This way you’d see teams battling hard to win in regulation and avoid OT all together. Or go one step further and have it 3 points for a regulation or OT win with no points to the loser even in OT and then if it goes to a shootout go with 2 points to the winner and 1 to the loser. Since OT isn’t really the problem either and actually used to be exciting back before teams sorta coasted through OT to get to the shootout.

    • SenaTHOR

      Will never happen, will screw with stats from previous years.

      • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

        Adding the shootout screwed with stats from previous years as well, so why would’t they do that again?

      • boom

        I know this will sound odd, but what about 2 points for a regulation win,
        1.5 points for an OT or shootout win, with .5 points to the loser.
        This preserves the integrity of past seasons because all games result in only 2 points being awarded.
        I’m also thinking teams would be less inclined to “settle” for a result in OT because a loss only gets them a half point.
        Just a thought – don’t be too critical. I’m sensitive…

        • Hax

          Best answer is 2 for ROW and 1 for SOW. No loser points at all.

          • boom

            Agreed, but they will never get that approved. (by the weaker teams especially)

            I have never understood their insistence of rewarding a good effort (tied game) over 60 minutes, even when losing in OT but they have no issue with a team not getting a point if a team loses in the last minute of regulation…a loss is a loss isn’t it?

          • Hax

            Yup. I think it harkens back to one point each for a tie and a reluctance when the eliminated ties to take that OT point away.

            I agree with most folks here that most good ideas will never happen in the NHL though – too much resistance to get anything done. Maybe Bettman will decide to go out in a blaze of glory and force something through that actually helps the game.

    • Doc

      That’s what I would do and what makes the most sense, but the league seems hell bent on keeping the shootout cause, you know, ‘exciting’ and bla bla.

      3 points regulation win.
      2 points OT or SO win, 1 point for loser.
      Boom.

  • Hax

    I’m torn over splitting up the Turris line. On the one hand, that line is awesome and even though Ryan hasn’t been getting as many points lately he’s been amazing out there.

    On the other hand, I bet you could put anyone on that line and they’d click. Moving MacArthur or Ryan with Spezza probably doesn’t slow them down and it’s time I think to give Spezza some serious help.

    Though, Michalek has looked better lately and Zibanejad looked good on the wing too – so the late game lines are good too.

    • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

      Who do you put up there though, if anything I would think about MacArthur moving down(mainly due to work ethic)….but who fits well in his place?

      • Hax

        I agree MacArthur makes more sense with Spezza. I’d be fine with Michalek or Conacher taking his spot with Turris-Ryan.

        • Jonny

          CMac and Spezza were playing well together, throw Zib on the other wing and that could be a very hard line to contain and they aint terrible defensively.

          • Hax

            Yup. That also leaves the option of putting Stone there when he’s back and moving Zibanejad back to center – if they want.

    • spezzerman

      I’ve found Ryan is really struggling compare to earlier in the year and not just because he isnt putting up points. With Spezza playing much better, a change could help get both really going. Mark Stone, when he is back, could fill in for Ryan on that line nicely.

      • Hax

        I really disagree. I think Ryan has been great lately and playing a complete game. Just hasn’t found the net as often as we’d all like. He’s creating chances for himself and his linemates though.

  • The Apostle

    Sitting Methot cost us this game. I have it on good authority that his sticks are made of stronger stuff than the ones Ceci uses. Also methot is a beast in the shoot-out.

    What is the coach thinking?

    • OverMind

      PMac is thinking… *release the Lehner*

    • Jonny

      Pretty sure Methot wouldnt get pushed down so easily by Filppula but who knows, Filppula is a beast…

      Or get skated around so easily due to lack of foot speed. I just want Methot to play, he’s our only other top 2 D.

      • The Apostle

        I would like to see Methot back in the line-up too but I have no problem with the coach sitting him as a punishment for some unspecified issue that we, as fans aren’t aware of.

        I imagine he’ll be back on Saturday.

  • A-Train

    I wouldn’t split up the Turris line. It’s been forever (never?) since we’ve been able to both spread out our scoring AND keep a top line together.

  • The Apostle

    At the deadline I would like the Sens to test the waters for moving Michalek. If we can get anything as good or better than a 3rd round pick or a decent level prospect or a roster player with not much term on his contract pull the trigger. Michalek isn’t going to be a difference maker in a cup run for us and I don’t think the organisation appears keen to bring him back.

    • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

      If he wants to come back cheaper than I think he could be a legitimately key piece to a cup run…can play on pretty much any of the top 3 lines. You get him locked in at 3-3.5 mil and I think I would be ok with that based on potential.

      (All this assuming his knees check out and the surgery was a success)

      • The Apostle

        He would have to come back for somewhere under 4million and I think he could get that elsewhere, but I don’t hate your idea.

        • MethotToMyMadness

          I don’t mind him staying if he’s under 4Mil, but anything over that is too much. I’d be up for exploring trade options.

          Problem is, he more than likely won’t take less, based on comparable cap hits. Players like 9MM get paid on previous success, more than current success, in most cases. And I’m sure Free Agency would land him a decent contract, somewhat like Gonchar in Dallas.

          • sprucesens

            one thing to remember, although he is paid very high this year, his cap hit is at 4.2. So while we can warrant lower pay from his point production, the cap is going up, so he’ll argue that. So he’d likely be paid the same. I figure he is a goner, we’ll push for a first , but likely only get a 2nd. Especially if you consider the realistic price for hemsky is a 3rd. Michalek is at least a little bit less injury prone, but not much.

          • MethotToMyMadness

            First off, 9MM will not get a 1st round in return from any team, so you are right about only a 2nd. But If traded, the price of 9MM will be determined by the Team he’s being traded too, It’s all about need.

            If a power house like the Pens, Hawks or Ducks, simply looking to bolster an already impressive lineup, offer to take him of our hands. You can be sure as hell we aren’t getting a 2nd for him, probably not even a 3rd.

            But if it’s a team like Calgary or Buffalo who are looking to use him as a top line guy, we could squeeze a better pick from them.

    • A-Train

      I don’t think the team will see it that way. If we make the playoffs having Michalek will be better than having a 3rd round pick.

    • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

      Also look at comparable cap hits…he isn’t that bad

      http://www.capgeek.com/comparables/?player_id=128

    • SENSsmile

      As much as I, along with most people, was complaining all year that Michalek was a “finished” player, I’ve been really impressed with his play of late. If the Sens are going to be in the playoffs, they will need his experience and combativeness. I’m sure, in any event, he’s worth more than anything the Sens would get for him in return. He’s useful NOW.

    • Jonny

      I would also like this to happen. Who knows, his old team might come calling and take on that expiring contract…

  • Hax

    Lehner named reserve goalie for Sweden. Best of both worlds really – acknowledgement for Lehner but no actual trip to Sochi.

    • aegiszx

      What’s startling is that they left Victor Hedman off the team. I mean, the team is already stacked, but to not even include him on the reserve. Wow

      • MethotToMyMadness

        Very surprised by that decision, considering the year he’s been having offensively, but look at Sweden’s options, they are stacked! Somewhat like Canada, many great players left off.

  • Hax

    Assuming those “adds” in the poll are pure rentals and not dirt cheap (7th round picks or something similar going the other way). I say stand pat. One rental isn’t going to push us over the top this year IMO.

    • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

      Ive always looked at this years trade deadline as a player that they intend to keep around, which is why I said FW only

      • Hax

        Completely agree – though I still think we could use a real upgrade on D more than at forward. But we’d be crazy to “rent” anything. Any trade should be for a guy that improves our team for the next 2 years at least.

        • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

          I do think that RIGHT NOW we need to improve our D more than our FW, but I also think that even next year, or the following that we have some pieces in place that will be improving with age that should fill those voids….FW I think is a little more questionable.

          • Hax

            Certainly we have plenty of young guys that could turn out to be solid NHLers, but I think most are still a few years away from being at their peak. I’d love to add someone in the Methot mold to the group (knowing they don’t grow on trees).

            FW we’re not as deep in prospects but I think have more “fully baked” guys. Though with Michalek gone (assuming) we could use another there for sure.

            I guess I’d want one of each. Another Methot and maybe get Michalek some antler spray and resign him?

          • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

            Pretty much my opinion too…or sign Michalek at about 3.5 if he will

          • Hax

            I always wonder when a guy is up for a new contract if they look at salary or cap hit as the starting point. Does Michalek see himself currently as a $6M guy or $4.3M? Does Spezza see himself as a guy making $5M ($4M next year) or $7M?

          • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

            I personally think I would look at what I make that year, but see the point that my profession and salary isn’t structured at all like a professional athletes.

          • Hax

            I agree and not even sure if players are really aware of what their cap hit is (obviously they know but I’m sure they don’t think about it). I can’t see players at a bar telling chicks “my cap hit is $5.5M”.

            But I think when they sign deals they look at the total dollars more than how it might be spread out as well.

          • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

            Agreed, although that kind of contradicts Alfies disappointment in playing for 1 mil in his last year

      • Bazza

        I think on D, the team braintrust thinks it has the pieces and needs only experience to decide which ones are the set pieces. I think this is why Cowen, despite his play, is getting the icetime: he has the most potential upside if he can only get over being lousy. PW and Gryba look decent under certain protected circumstances: 3rd pairing guys. Claesson in Bingo is also looking very good. So while we don’t have the defence corp for right now, we do for the near future. Don’t mess with it.

        On forward, we have a lot of potential in Bingo and here, but I don’t see any of them as top six, or at least they are not clearly NHL material. I think that makes the case for a trade if the cost is some of these guys and either Edmonton (Hemsky) or Buffalo (Moulson) could benefit from greater depth (especially Buffalo).

  • LeafsSux

    Who the heck voted for nothing?! Tookie? lol

    • Cicero

      I’m one who did. My rationale: (1) This team is gelling and improving by leaps and bounds; (2) Young defencemen are many, and the book on who will rise into the daily top 6 is not yet written; (3) The summer contract negotiations will inevitably lead to movement and opening-up of positions, loosening the log-jam of talent coming up within the system; (4) A hasty trade to get That One Winger could disturb not only the evolution of youth but more importantly the locker-room and the trajectory of the team since Dec. 1st. (5) Hey, somebody has got to be a minority opinion :)

      • Senator-Stanley

        I voted nothing for the same reasons.
        To many pipe dreaming people on here that think we can trade Greening, Condra plus Gryba and get a top 6 forward.
        Everything has a cost.
        We’re just not good enough this year to be considered elite.

    • Aaron 2.0

      I did too. You got to spend to to get. This team isn’t a serious cup contender this year. Let the young guys keep developing. Don’t give anything up on the farm. I would love another top 4 D. But, the reality is so does 29 other teams. The price tag will be too high, especially considering we are a bubble team.

      • The Apostle

        I also voted nothing. Although this is clearly an awesome poll (would have been better with a table) I would have thought more about it if the option had been top 6 forward – rental and top six forward – with term.

        I don’t want us moving assets to pick up somebody who is going to leave in July, but the right top 6 forward, signed to a contract, is a different story.

    • TookieIs100PercentRight

      CLOSE BUT NO SEE-GARR.
      I voted for nothing, for several reasons:
      1)This team is not a Cup contender so why waste futures for the now?
      2)If the team isn’t in a playoff position, no point in throwing out young kids for a quick fix.
      3)Salary is always a question…
      4)What this team needs is a winning veteran, no one on this team has won a Cup in their roles. Mac got Babcock’s coffee when he won his. Murray…hopeless causes St. Jude. Rest of the guys are young. Vets cost MOO-LAHHHHHHHHHH. Melnyk? He doesn’t believe in spending money.
      WAIT A YEAR OR TWO, SEE WHERE SPETZ-AAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH AND RYE_ANNNN_NN___N___NN WANT TO GO WITH CHA-CHING!
      TOOKS100% OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • MethotToMyMadness

    I hear you Chirp, the shootout has lost it’s luster. Even teams who are good at it, will probably tell you the same. Yes, it served it’s purpose at first, but it’s about time the league tried something new. I’m all for a 3 on 3, after a 4 on 4, if that solves nothing. Man that would be fast.

    Spezza was all over the ice, and more importantly, when he needed to be. He made some great plays in the offensive, and he’s starting to look like himself out there again. Wouldn’t mind seeing Ryan with Spezza, worth a shot, as It seems the real chemistry on the big line is Turris and MacArthur anyway. Lately, Ryan looks like he’s just the add-on to the line. I think KT and CM would do well with just about any other line-mate, maybe even 9MM. That could give him a good spark.

    Loved the fact that we just kept coming back, getting a point is SO much better than the lose. And to all the Neil hatters, what is up with that? I’ve been reading some posts online where Fans of other teams are saying he shouldn’t be in the league. Are you kidding me? Neil, while a great fighter, is a more than suitable and serviceable 3rd/4th line energy guy. He’s not just a plug out there who plays 3 minutes a night. I don’t know of any team in the NHL that wouldn’t want his services, if they were offered. Give your head a shake.

    Next big game is against the re-surging Canes. We really need the 2 points here. I hope the Sens shake off the afternoon dizziness and come out rocking.

  • sbs138

    we wouldn’t be saying we don’t like the shootout if we weren’t 2-6.

    • SensChirp

      Well that certainly helps convince me I hate the shootout. But I watch a lot of hockey and I don’t like it in non-Senator games either. And when you think about 3 on 3 as a possible alternative, it’s a no-brainer.

      • FistsofNeil25

        Agreed. The NHL brought in the shootout because it’s what they thought fans wanted to see. Personally I can’t stand it. I’ve never found it exciting and I’ve never thought it made sense. A 3-on-3 or an extending 4-on4 overtime would be much more exciting to see. I don’t think five minutes of overtime is long enough anyway.

        ALL fans love overtime hockey. There’s just something thrilling about the idea of “next goal wins”. Not all fans love the shootout.

        • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

          Man I remember watching epic triple OT games when I was young…nothing was better than getting permission to watch the hockey game that night and having it last twice as long as it should!

      • Senatollah

        3 on 3 would not be exciting. why not steal a page from Footballs books. Each time gets a two minute 5 on 3. Most goals scored in the two minutes wins. Could even force the team on offense to have no goalie to up the excitement/danger level.

      • sbs138

        I don’t think the NHL wants to make the games even longer though. unless you’re saying they get rid of the 4v4 and go straight to 3v3?

        • SensChirp

          Somebody would have to look at it but I don’t know that it would really be that much longer. 5 minutes of 4 on 4 then 5 minutes of 3 on 3 vs. 5 minutes of 4 on 4 then clear the ice/shootout.

        • Hax

          Playing 3 on 3 for 5 minutes would probably be only slightly longer than the time it takes to do the scrape and run though the shootout.

          I like the 2 idea of 2 points for a regulation or OT win with no points for the loser and 1 point only for a shootout winner. No loser point at all. Keeps the “integrity” of the 2 point game and really makes it unpalatable for teams to get to a shootout.

    • TookieIs100PercentRight

      I don’t have an issue with it. Fact is we traded Silf (money in shootouts) and Alfie left (money in shootouts) and we have a lot of pluggers on this team. Realistically, Ryan, Turris, Mac should be our go to guys. Reason TO wins so many is their winger corps is nuts. Lupul, Kessel, JVR, all can score. Bozak is money in SO.

      So either the team gets its AZZZZZZZ together and wins in regulation or it gets some SO people.
      TOOKS100% OUT!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Sandy

      If not for the shootout, the Leafs would have 9 less points… and out of a playoff spot..

  • FistsofNeil25

    I think if Maclean were to break of the Mac-Turrie-Ryan line, that it should be Ryan that’s bumped off to play with Spezza. The chemistry between MacArthur and Turris is just too damn good to split them up. We haven’t seen chemistry between two Sens players like this in a long time.

    Personally I’d like to see the lines we deployed in the second half of last nights game for a little while. I think keeping the Turris line together and then putting Milo and ZBad with Spezz could give us two really good line. Zibanejad should absolutely be playing top six minutes whether it’s with Spezza or someone else.

    IF Maclean does break up the Turris line, then I’d like to see Michalek-Spezza-Ryan together again for the first time since the start of the season. Spezza and Michalek both seem to finally be getting their legs back as they appear to be moving really well. As Chirp mentioned, Spezza’s finally showing that he can carry the puck with authority again which is allowing him to be able to make plays. Why not try our best play-maker with our best goal-scorer again?

    Michalek-Spezza-Ryan
    MacArthur-Turris-Zibanejad

  • FuzzFace

    I agree that the shootout is a poor way to decide a game. Unfortunately I think it’s here to stay. In that case, I think there are two good/fair ways to award points: Either have every game worth a total of 3 points, or don’t award the loser point at all:

    - 3/0 for Reg/OT Win, 2/1 Shootout win; or
    - 2/0 for Reg/OT Win, 1/0 Shootout win.

    Both scenarios penalize the winning team for taking it to the shootout. No more ‘going for the loser point’ in the last 10 minutes of Reg.

    • MethotToMyMadness

      FuzzFace has a good idea here, no more loser point at all, only the winner gets points.

      To put a twist on it, how about you get 3 points if you win in Regulation. 2 points if you win in OT and only 1 point if your win is decided by the Shootout. This would keep many teams from being ok to go to shootout, and put more effect into winning in regulation or OT.

      Or don’t bother with the 3 points and just make it a 2 point for Win in Reg or OT and only 1 point for a Shootout win.

      • FuzzFace

        I think Reg and OT should be treated with the same importance. Also 10 minutes of 4on4 probably resolves most games. I’m not opposed to ties after that. But if we must keep the shootout, I like the 2/0, 1/0 format.

        • Hax

          Totally on board with 2/0 (reg or OT) and 1/0 (shootout). I don’t even think you’d need to extend OT if that was the case since teams would be pushing hard to get 2 points instead of a coin flip for only 1.

          Only interesting negative I can think of is if you’re playing a team that you trail by 2 points. They might be fine playing Kitty-bar-the-door until the shootout. But that situation would only be worse in the 3-point-game scenario actually.

          • FuzzFace

            Thanks. I’m not even sure if these would be issues though. Often times, playoff games can go many periods of OT. Both teams push as hard as possible. The scenario of trailing a team by 2 points would only really occur in the final games of the season. Also, playing ‘shutdown’ to protect a lead at the end of a game has been shown to be a poor strategy, known as ‘score effect’ and often results in late tying goals.

  • FistsofNeil25

    When it comes to the trade deadline, I’m not sure what I’d like to see Murray do. I don’t think our current roster is good enough to contend, but I’m not sure what our needs truly are. Going into the season, I really thought that our defense and our bottom six forward group were our strengths.

    For most of the season to date, our blueline has been a bit of a mess. Cowen has underachieved, Phillips has lost yet another step, Methot hasn’t played as well as last season, and Gryba and Wiercioch can’t seem to earn consistent player time in the line-up. Karlsson has had his issues but many of them have been caused by him just trying to do too much. Ceci has been a everything we could have hoped for and more.

    When it comes to our forward group, I think our biggest problem is that we lack a TRUE shut-down checking line. We don’t have a line or combination of players that can go toe-to-toe with the opposition’s best offensive players on a consistent basis. All contenders have a line that can do it. We don’t.

    At the end of the day, I’m not really interested in a short-term fix or rental unless that player comes cheap. I would like to see Murray add a player or two that can be a part of the long-term plan here with the Sens, but a rental is rather pointless at this point in time.

    • Hax

      Great thoughts. I think if we are able to sort the other lines out and can roll Greening-Smith-Condra regularly then that is a great checking line. But then where does that leave Neil? He and Zibanejad actually looked okay together in the past but Zibby might have outgrown Neil a bit by now.

  • runningbear1974

    I disagree about Spezza having a great night…
    How is it possible that can watch the same game and come up with different conclusions?
    In my opinion… He was regularly outside of the defensive play… He was standing while others skated passed him… He was waiting behind the net for someone to get him the puck…
    I think Spezza was getting lots of ice time with Smith and Condra… I think the coach wanted to get Zibanejad more ice time, so that’s why he put him with Spezza…
    I think terrible idea to put Ryan with Spezza… At beginning of the year I thought a good idea, but after watching how they move, it won’t work… Spezza doesn’t stop and change directions quickly… Ryan is not the smoothest skater…
    Ryan’s weakness (not a great skater) is minimized by playing with great skaters… It will be exaggerated playing with Spezza…

    • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

      Tend to agree completely, it is funny, the last few games I have seen people reviews Spezzas play as some of his best in recent memory, to he was arguably the worst player on the ice.

      I fall somewhere in the middle

      • runningbear1974

        Spezza is a strong force, but honestly he hasn’t been developed properly…
        He’s getting better, but still, his brain works differently and he’s very stubborn… Early in the season he said “The coach wants me to shoot more, but I don’t know”… He doesn’t entirely agree with the coach, he still thinks of his job to pass the puck…

    • Hax

      The only thing I agree with is that Spezza and Ryan together at 5-on-5 is asking for trouble. MAYBE if you’re at home and can control when you put them out there. But I think MacArthur is a better fit for Spezza of the guys currently playing with Turris.

      • runningbear1974

        Yes I agree… MacArthur is a better fit for Spezza… But there’s no way that Spezza is a better fit for MacArthur… No way… We’ll see MacArthur’s production and happiness drop quite a bit…

      • FistsofNeil25

        Problem with that is that MacArthur is also a better fit for Turris as well haha I really think they should just see if Michalek-Spezza-ZBad can get some chemistry going and just leave the Turris line as is.

        • Hax

          I tend to think that MacArthur, Turris and Ryan could all play with anyone right now. The only exception being Ryan and Spezza would need MacArthur’s speed if they ended up together and I wouldn’t take both away from Turris. But yeah, 9-19-93 could be great and leaves 16-7-6 together too.

    • SensChirp

      If you judge Spezza’s effectiveness by what he’s doing in the defensive zone, you will be disappointed most nights.

      Offensively he has been far more effective lately, creating chances for his line mates and making a conscious effort to put more pucks on net. Feet are moving and the puck is on his stick more often than it was earlier in the season. All good things and all part of what makes him an effective offensive centre. Agreed it would be a bit of a gamble to have him with Ryan though.

      • runningbear1974

        Yeah but if you let anyone off of their defensive responsibilities they’ll produce more offensively…
        I judge as a complete player… He’s not strong enough offensively to skip out on defense…

        • SensChirp

          I guess I don’t feel like he’s “skipping out” defensively. You can tell he’s making an effort to come back and be in the right position. One of the benefits of playing with Smith and Condra is they allowed him to cheat a little more offensively but then you lose out on his playmaking ability a little bit when you don’t have guys that can finish playing alongside him.

          • Hax

            I think people forget too often when talking about Spezza or Karlsson that they have “assignments” from the coaches. Spezza is usually being asked to cheat a bit offensively and create etc. Same with Karlsson. So when fans perceive these guys as lazy or not paying attention to D it’s often because they’re almost literally being told to do so.

            Obviously there needs to be a balance there, but when a fan criticizes Spezza for being the last forward back I wonder if that’s actually where the coaches want/told him to be.

          • runningbear1974

            I believe we finally found the perfect match for Spezza… Condra and Smith…
            They move back quickly enough to give Spezza a bit of time to catch up…
            If Spezza gets another superstar on his line, then which one gets the responsibility of being the last one back…

      • Jacques

        I agree, but if one gut of the 5 man unit isn’t getting involved defensively you get burnt!

      • runningbear1974

        If he’s not doing his defensive zone responsibility then it’s effectively a powerplay for the other team… If he’s not doing the “right” thing in the defensive zone, then he’s giving scoring opportunity to the other team…

    • Jacques

      That’s why when he plays big minutes we give up massive amounts of shots. All 5 guys on the ice have to bring it defensively, otherwise you’re basically short handed.

  • spartacus

    I agree Spezza and Ryan. Mac and Turris is what makes their line go.

  • aegiszx

    Reading through the comments and discussions the past few weeks… everyone has criticisms, complaints and opinions… but the fact of the matter is, we’re a really, REALLY young team. We expect so much from this group, sometimes it feels a bit unfair don’t you think? As King Karl said recently, he’s no God, even if his play indicates otherwise… I myself sometimes forget that he’s only 23, and Kyle Turris is only 24, and Mika is only 20. These guys have longggg careers ahead of them but I guess if you dont win in your “prime” then you are a has-been…

    • Hax

      This is a great point. Really the main impetus for us to try and win next year is Spezza. But if you look 4-5 years down the road we should still be very strong and ready to make another run without Spezza. Karlsson, Turris, Lehner, Zibanejad, Ceci – all should be as good or even better by then plus we’ve got plenty of other young guys that could be in that mix by then.

      I hope whatever stops we pull out to try and win next year don’t do anything to hurt the team 4-5 years from now.

      • FistsofNeil25

        Hopefully Ryan will still be a part of that group as well and Cowen will have reached his potential.

      • Jacques

        Honestly the maximum return we’ll get for Spezza will be at the deadline this year. Not at the draft. Many teams are in the mix and will be looking for a fix. Won’t be many sellers. Sens play at a higher pace without Spezza. we get a top 6 winger and a pick and we’re all set. We can even ship a D-man in a package.

  • spartacus

    Spezza should be moved to another team. We should be able to get a second round pick and a good prospect for him. We are not ready to contend for the cup for a few more years. Trade him while he has some value left.

    • Hax

      I literally disagree with every sentence in your comment.

      • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

        I disagree to an extent…my concern is that when his contract is up we get nothing, or that he will demand more money than we are willing to give, or that he will want to test FA and end up being paid roughly what he gets now.

        • Hax

          Fair point. Next season when Turris/Zibanejad are a year better and Spezza is a pending UFA everything skews to the point where I might actually agree with every sentence. Well, except the not ready to contend one.

      • runningbear1974

        What? You disagree that we couldn’t a 2nd round pick, and prospect for Spezza…

        just joking… you said you disagree with each line…

      • TookieIs100PercentRight

        Why? He is correct.
        Spezza is playing third line minutes most nights. Paul doesn’t trust him with first line minutes, he doesn’t trust him for big draws and he’s deteriorating physically. Murray should 100% field offers for Spezza, remembering that he’s the guy with the nTC.

        TOOKS100% OUT!!!!

    • FuzzFace

      This is the tough question. The team is better with Spezza than without. His current salary is pretty high. Talk is that he’s been shopped, but no takers. Current trade value is pretty low, due to injuries. This team could potentially be contenders next year with a couple of additions. Unless we can get someone to replace Spezza’s talent/production AND get a top 6F AND a top defenseman, I would argue that we keep him, and try to negotiate a lower salary.
      Right now, his value is greater than his return would be.

      • bishbosh

        Spezza is making 5 mil this year and 4 mil next year. I don’t think that’s remotely high for a guy who is likely a point per game player.

        • runningbear1974

          I agree… I think 5mil and 4mil quite fair in the team’s favour…

        • FuzzFace

          Of course, your right. 4-5Mil would be fair. I was referring to his average salary under the current contract of 7Mil. I wouldn’t say he’s worth that much at the moment.

          • bishbosh

            I think over the course of the contract he’s been worth the money. Yes he’s not won a cup but so have plenty of players who are paid more than him.

            If anything given the financial state of the organisation him having a higher cap hit than salary is a bit of a bonus for us next year.

  • MethotToMyMadness

    A little off topic, but I’m usually one who’s on top of the trades and stuff, at least when someone noticeable is moved. But I had no idea that the Rangers actually traded Del Zotto on Wednesday to Nashville for Klein, not until I read about him maybe being paired with Seth Jones. It didn’t even make the top page of TSN on Wednesday I don’t think, unless I was completely oblivious to it. I just found it somewhat strange, considering how hot Del Zotto’s name was at first, linked to many teams in trades. Then how quickly it cooled off.

    The Rangers have a lot of transactions since December, acquiring Klein, Carcillo and Beach. And the Leafs, they’ve been making moves, Holland and Gleason have been very good for them for the most part. And then you have LA, who seem to be all about acquiring picks for 2014.

  • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

    I am actually most interested to see how high the total voters count gets in the poll! lmao

    What a boring friday!

  • Hax

    Up until this season I firmly believed that moving Spezza out would be a HUGE step back for this team. Too many years of having guys like Bonk and Fisher centering our top 6 made me reluctant to give up our 1C now that we finally had a 2C worthy of the role (Turris). But this season, not only has Turris shown that he’s a 1C in his own right (not quite at the level Spezza has been – yet) but Zibanejad has shown that he might actually be able to surpass Fisher at 2C.

    Small sample size and all that (especially for Zibanejad) but by this time next year we could easily be in a position to deal Spezza out and survive. Though hopefully we’ll be in the playoff mix and keep him for our “run”.

    • A-Train

      What kind of a return would the Senators get for him though? First round picks are nice, but the team is looking for something that can help them contend in the near to middle term. Probably another top veteran Dman or winger is what we most need. Would a team give up one for Spezza? Seems like an odd deal.

      • Hax

        Totally agree the return is a huge question mark. All I’m really saying is that I’d be open to moving him where previously I would have been dead set against it.

  • Hax

    Related to the Spezza talk:

    Pierre LeBrun

    Breaking news: San Jose Sharks have signed Patrick Marleau and Joe Thornton to 3-year extensions.

    Will be interesting to see the dollars but the 3-year part is AWESOME. I’d love to see Spezza extended for 3 years.

    • CUP 2014-15

      Marleau 6.66m per, Thorton 6.75m per

      • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

        Ouch if that is the case…..GOOD BYE SPEZZA

        • Doc

          Why is that?

          My guess is Spezza will get less than that but better term.

          • CUP 2014-15

            Afternoon Doc, do you think 5m for 5-7 yrs is about right?

          • Doc

            Good question.

            5 million would be great (not likely though), but I would still prefer that the term stays at around 4-5 yrs. The guy can still produce and when he’s on, he’s on. Now the question is if he can stay healthy enough to produce the numbers through his term.

          • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

            I don’t really know what level of pay I am comfortable paying him….less than he is getting now, and term, even before these, I am not certain I would have wanted much more than a 3 year deal.

          • bluebuyyoo

            Seeing as how he is signed through the end of next season, I figure the Sens give him a chance to prove himself between now and the end of the year. If the injuries return or the drive is not there, they will have to explore their options. (i.e. lower offer with less term or trade).

    • SensChirp

      Thornton and Marleau are both a little bit older than Spezza (34 vs. 30)

      • Hax

        Very good point. But I guess it’s better than those two getting 6 year deals or something.

      • CUP 2014-15

        Injury history may be a factor in Spezz contract v these two stars, or maybe not. I am not sure if talks are based simply on talent or does injury history come in to play

        • Hax

          I’m sure everything comes into play. The real deciding factor will be if Spezza (or his agent) feel he can do better on the open market than what we’re offering. If Thorton and Marleau were Spezza’s age this would at least be a comparable in that respect. But Chirp’s burst my bubble there.

        • SensChirp

          I think Spezza will be looking at a lower cap hit on a longer term deal. Assuming he’s healthy.

    • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

      Oh a boring Friday just got a little bit more interesting…I think these will be VERY good indicators as to what we can expect to pay

    • Jacques

      I see it as a big mistake for this franchise if we re-sign Spezza. Just like Montreal if they re-sign Markov. THe smart teams get out from under these guys with health problems. My Opinion of course.

  • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

    Bob McKenzie ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie 19m
    “@Real_ESPNLeBrun: Marleau’s 3-year deal is worth $6.66 M a year; Thornton’s deal is $6.75 M a year.”/SJ continues to get bang for buck.

    YIKES

    • Sensnation

      I guess regular season success still gets you a good payday in this league. Amazed they didn’t want to shake up the core there and finally go for the cup.

  • CUP 2014-15

    Well 3 out of 4 points so far with two more big road games ahead. If they can grab another 3pts that would be great.
    Not upset by the performance last night and we will be able to pick apart moments for each player every game that we don’t like. The big problem is that as avid fans we tend to focus on the players that worry us the most and every mistake is met with a holy f#@k cowen, gryba, patty, condra, greening or whoever. When Bobby or others make mistakes we’re far more forgiving and simply sigh when the mistake is made.
    This is a very good young team that has been getting it’s act together very nicely over the last month and a bit. I do hope that Mac doesn’t blow up the forward lines too much. I don’t mind him moving Bobby back to Spezz’s wing, he’s slower then CMac and should be able to adjust easier to Spezz slowing down the game. We still have the same problem we had with JGP when he was here and forced ZBad to the wing. I think we will see SDC waived and picked up by a team like Calgary if there is no low draft pick out there. This team wants ZBad in the middle and you can see why. I expect we will see Prince or another winger until Stone is ready to return. The beer will be flowing early tomorrow…GO SENS GO

    • Jacques

      Spezza and Ryan together spells disaster just like at the beginning of the year on the West Coast. They need to be on separate lines.

      • CUP 2014-15

        You might be right Jacques but then again we both know that your not going to like anyone with Spezz unless it’s in a different colour sweater.

        • Jacques

          You may be right CUP!

          • CUP 2014-15

            I think it might be the only thing we don’t agree on..lol

          • Jacques

            It’s ok bro, I love the Sens but I like the way our team plays without Spezza. He doesn’t fit the way MaCLean wants this team to play. Go geta top 6 winger by moving Spezza and the sky is the limit.

          • CUP 2014-15

            I know you do, as I do. I don’t have a problem with Spezz being traded, I just think he is still much better then people give him credit for. It’s only been a full season of games since he was near the top of the league in scoring. I also believe that he would be the one piece we could part with that would bring back that top 6 + +, you are also correct sir that this team plays a total different looking game without him. Still like Spezz a lot though, this is a tough call for me, we would need to get a lot back.

  • factoid of the day

    Before WW2 there was a TEN minute overtime for regular season NHL games tied after 60 minutes.
    This got eliminated during WW2 – transportation (mostly trains) had better things to do
    than wait for hockey players to show up.
    That being said too many good teams are now playing for the safe point when a game is tied late in the third period.
    THREE points in the standings for a win in 60 minutes would eliminate a lot of that.

    • Sensnation

      3 point wins eliminate the entire point of 3 point games that we have now. It’s not about the fans, it’s not about the players, it’s about more teams gaining points and creating a bigger “middle” in the standings so more teams are in the running until the end. This generates money through viewership and fan attendance in those stretch runs. It’s a business model to make more money, has very little to do with actually determining who deserves to win the game.

      • Hax

        Sadly this is probably the reality. Any change would have to be considered by the NHL as an increase to overall revenue. And while for a specific game the idea of no loser point would raise the stakes and make it more exciting, there’s a lot to be said for teams being “in the race” longer due to loser points.

        Still would love to see the AHL try 2 pts for ROW, 1 point for SOW and see how it impacts playoff races late in the year.

      • Aaron 2.0

        I’d never considered that the league likes the 3-point OT/SO game to keep everyone in it for as long as possible (as a business model). That’s an interesting take. The one thing i’d say against it – Keeping every team in it makes it a crap-shoot for who ends up finishing b/w 5-12 (give or take a few spots), as you pointed out. This probably means that the worse teams don’t always finish lower, and then don’t always get the better 1st round draft pick (vice versa – sometimes better teams finish lower, and get a strong draft pick). If the points structure better matched how good each team actually is, then a lot of teams would be out earlier. But, they should get better draft picks. Combine that with a reasonable cap (one that doesn’t continue to grow too fast bc of a few rich teams, and those conditions would probably create a more competitive league, even w/ a 3-pt regulation win.

        • Hax

          More competitive league in reality, but not in perception for the average fans. I think you’re bang on, but Sensnation’s point is that the NHL cares more about extra fans at the gate believing their team is better than it is than it does about ACTUAL parity.

          • Aaron 2.0

            Your & Sensnation’s reasoning of why we have our current points structure makes the most sense I’ve ever heard on this matter. Obviously, I’m never going to love it. But, at least now, I think about it differently than I did before. The reality is this game is a business, and I guess this sort of thing (the perception of parity, to steal your words) needs to happen.

  • CUP 2014-15

    Two points per game period. 4 on 4, 3 on 3, shoot-out or rock, paper scissors. Winner gets 2, looser zippo.

    • factoid of the day

      so – no ties ever ?
      How does 2 points per win make more sense than 1 point per win ?

      • CUP 2014-15

        The whole reason were in this mess is because Hockey was the only major sport in North America that had games end without a winner. The thought process was that you can’t take points away from a team that earned a tie after regulation. If the driving force behind the shoot-out was to settle the contest with a winner fine but MLB, NFL, CFL or NBA all have a looser that earns nothing regardless of overtime. I don’t see the difference.
        This would sure add a different feel to the overtime or shoot-out.

        • Captain Nitpicker

          Regular season NFL games can end in a tie.
          It’s rare though – 1 this past season.

          • CUP 2014-15

            True and they run their standings on win percentage as does the others. There is no need for point system and the loss column is all that really matters, and as you said it’s very rare. The NFL is even talking about getting rid of the PAT and just making TD’S worth 7

  • WolfInSheepsClothes

    Regulation time:
    2pts WIN
    0pts Loss

    If needed:

    10min 4-on-4 Sudden Victory O/T:
    2pts WIN
    0pts Loss

    If no winner after O/T:
    1pt TIE
    1pt TIE

    • Alcatraz

      If we are doin a straight win loss, then there is no need for points lol. 2pts for win 0 points for loss, might as well just do like NFL/NBA/MLB and go with percentage and games behind.

      If we want to reward for ties/OTL then it would have to be the 3-0, 1-1 or 2-1 system that soccer uses

  • CUP 2014-15

    Mathot skating with Corvo today, may not mean anything as Karl and CC are not on the ice. Cowen and Gryba PW and CP

    • Hax

      Yeah of those three pairings, tough to say who’d get scratched.
      Assuming they’re paired that way which of course they may not be. Can’t
      see Methot being out again though – whatever is going on behind the
      scenes.

      Though Chirp just pointed out Twitter that PW46 and EG62 are essentially “place holders” for EK65 and CC5 … so maybe both Methot and Corvo play?

    • SensChirp

      Mentioned this on Twitter but it sort of seems to indicate Methot and Corvo will both play. Assuming that Gryba and Wiercioch are holding spots for Karlsson and Ceci.

      • CUP 2014-15

        I see the same thing. CC in place of PW and Karl in for EG. Man can’t we find a taker for Corvo so that EG and PW don’t need to sit for long periods.

        • Hax

          We can if we play him once in a while. It’s a shitty catch-22. We have to play Corvo to convince another team he’s worth a 4th round pick, but that means we have to sit two guys instead of one.

          • SensChirp

            This is a good time to do it too. Against a former team and interestingly enough, one of the teams OTTy talked to about a Corvo deal earlier in the season.

          • Hax

            And Corvo is veteran enough to know that he either plays well enough to get traded or never plays again.

          • CUP 2014-15

            I don’t know if you have to showcase a 38 year old vet though. Him playing the next 6 or 7 games is not going to change what people think of him at this point. IMO

  • Cicero

    Wondering, like me, about trade options in the context of salaries, contracts, and budget (cap)? This site is helpful. http://www.capgeek.com/senators

    • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

      I still can’t believe Turris is locked in at 3.5 for the foreseeable future

      • runningbear1974

        and he’s grateful for it…

        • Zelle

          The way he plays I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s not more about the team than the money with him. This hockey club loves him, and this season the fans love him, and he gets to be the 1st line center. Plus he keeps tweeting food pics so I assume he enjoys the eateries in Ottawa lol

          • runningbear1974

            I agree 100%… People aren’t going to like this comment, but too bad… Spezza is likeable, he’s not loveable… Whereas Turris is loveable… I think everyone loves Turris… People only like Spezza… I think if we want a winning captain someone that everyone believes in, that person is Turris, more than anyone on the team…

          • CUP 2014-15

            Nobody is happier with Turris then I am and I think he is turning into that 3rd overall pick that everyone thought he would be but man if he has to do interviews we might long for the days of giggles. Turris reminds me of Spicoli when he talks. which way to the beach dude?

  • SensChirp

    Methot will be back in the line up tomorrow in Carolina. Robin Lehner gets the start in goal.

    • Sensnation

      Sweet on both accounts!

      Release the LEHNER!!!

    • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

      THIS JUST IN

      Paul Maclean has been replaced behind the bench by Paul Maclone. The man with reason

  • SensChirp

    So if it’s just Methot returning, then what do we make of the combinations today? Could mean that Cowen and Gryba are an actual pairing and Corvo/Wiercioch were the placeholders. Leaves us with…

    Methot-Karlsson
    Cowen-Gryba
    Phillips-Ceci

    • SensChirp

      Or

      Cowen-Karlsson
      Methot-Gryba
      Phillips-Ceci

      • FBP

        I’d like to see

        Cowen-Karlsson
        Methot-Ceci
        Phillips-Corvo

        • Zelle

          Phillips-Corvo is asking for trouble, unfortunately.

      • Hax

        Better option IMO. Last two games aside, Gryba looks much better when paired with Methot than anyone else. Flip Ceci and Gryba if needs be late in the game.

    • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

      After the first pairing those are pretty scary…I mean Cowen and Gryba played decently before, and I wouldn’t want to forecheck against them. Phillips really is the weak link on this team, swap either Corvo or Wiercioch in there and the lines look way better

    • Zelle

      Switch Cowen and PW and I would be a very happy Sens fan.

    • Jonny

      Just drop Cowen/Gryba to bottom pair and looks good to me.

  • FBP

    Is Phillips going to be re-signed or what? I haven’t really heard anything else about it.

    You’d think CP would want to get it done sooner rather than later. Maybe the delay indicates they’re leaning toward letting him become an UFA?

    I’d guess he signs somewhere close to Ottawa is he does go UFA -Tor/Mtl/Buf/Det/Bos, which would kind of sting.

    • Cicero

      As an aging stay-at-home D with tons of leadership and experience, I see him being given a great job within the Senators’ organization. He’s got so much invested professionally and personally in Ottawa.

      • FBP

        But if he still wants to play I’d imagine it’d be a hard call to make.

    • Kohlmanator

      There are 20 teams we can trade him to. If by the trade deadline, we are completely out of a playoff spot, we could trade him as a rental, get assets and sign him in the off season.

      • FBP

        I think we’d have to nose-dive pretty hard at this point to be enough out of the race for GMBM to give up on the season.

        CP is usually pretty strong in the playoffs too.

    • Hax

      Could be that Murray wants to clear out some bodies before committing to Big Rig next year. If he can’t clear the space he may have to let Phillips go elsewhere. Or if he can bring in another veteran for our top 4 he may not want Phillips even if there’s room.

  • Zelle

    I feel splitting the Turris line is a non starter. In fact if anything, they should get an increase in ice time. They work the hardest, are the most consistent, and produce the most while still being defensively aware. All three guys compliment each other well, and you can see that they enjoy playing together. I worry that putting either Mac or Ryan with Spezza will make them unhappy and have them asking for a trade.

    Just my thoughts.

    • SensChirp

      “I worry that putting either Mac or Ryan with Spezza will make them unhappy and have them asking for a trade.”

      Ha. Poor Spezza.

      • runningbear1974

        I don’t think Spezza ever had to adapt his game to someone else… He has always been the big dog on campus… Always… He doesn’t have to anticipate what other people are thinking, they have to anticipate him…

        • Hax

          Agreed. Being able to play with Spezza is a bit of a talent and takes some getting used to for sure. Though I wonder if part of Spezza’s struggles this year has been him trying to be “easier” to play with but that’s hurting his creativity.

          Guy has to be who is to an extent. Square peg and round hole and all that.

          • Sensnation

            We’ve seen it the last few games, instead of forcing passes where players should be, he commands the puck for more ice and either shoots or dishes it off at better timings. He’s still learning how to adapt to new teammates and his new role as captain. Whole team had a lot to learn the first half of this year, now’s when we’ll start seeing the reward.

      • Zelle

        Sorry I didn’t mean this as an insult to Spezza. I just saw how playing with him affected them both and didn’t like it. I’m with you in saying that a healthy Spezza playing well is a huge asset to the Senators and I want him to succeed.

    • FBP

      I’m surprised Condra hasn’t demanded a trade, being forced to play with Spez.

      • Zelle

        Again I wasn’t trying to knock on Spezza, more highlighting the fact that they enjoy playing with one another over other lines.

    • Cicero

      I wouldn’t mind seeing:

      MacArthur-Turris-Ryan
      Smith-Spezza-Michalek
      Greening-Zibanejad-Condra
      Kassian-Smith-Neil

      Just because Matt Kassian!

      • Cicero

        Oh I have Smith 2x lol

      • runningbear1974

        what about Kassian Spezza and Condra… Can Spezza do better than Pageau did with these 2…

        • SensChirp

          • runningbear1974

            I’m just joking around… still interested to see… I wanted to see Pageau with Spezza as well…

          • SensChirp

            A successful Spezza means a successful Ottawa Senators. Should be putting him in the best position to produce. I hate the idea of breaking up the Turris line but Spezza has really got the short end of the stick in terms of wingers this season.

          • SensChirp

            For the record, Michalek and Zibanejad is about the best they can do for #19 and keep the Turris line in place.

          • runningbear1974

            I believe: Smith Spezz Condra is a better line than Michalek Spezza Zibanejad…

          • Zelle

            Why not Conacher – Spezza – Zbad?
            Zbad and Conacher are good defensively.
            Conacher is a great screener for the goalie.
            Conacher and Zbad battle well for the puck.

            Zbad can properly handle Spezza’s passes.
            Both Zbad and Spezza can take advantage of a screened goaltender.
            Both Zbad and Spezza can take faceoffs (if one of them gets booted out of the circle).

          • Cicero

            MacArthur-Turris-Ryan
            Michalek-Spezza-Zibanejad
            Conacher-DaCosta-Condra
            Greening-Smith-Neil

            I like that fourth line back together. They were reunited last night and really regained our momentum.

          • Hax

            I like this best out of plenty of good options. And when Stone’s healthy you drop him into Zibanejad’s spot and then let Zibanejad center the CoCo line.

          • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

            No he hasn’t Chirp…he was given Ryan initially and was unable to do anything with him…the moment he switched lines he became the player we expected.

            People keep saying we aren’t giving him players to play with…we do…he just never gels with them. At some point(like I tell my daughter) it isn’t always the other peoples fault, if the same issue keeps coming up every day…it just may be you

            and for the record I am by no means a Spezza hater

          • SensChirp

            And he had 12 points in the first 11 games during October. Production wasn’t really the issue but rather the goals they were giving up at 5 on 5. And while Spezza should shoulder a significant portion of the blame, the team was also a bit of a mess defensively early in the season.

            But yes, I absolutely agree that the 16-7-6 line has been miles ahead of any other trio MacLean has put together.

          • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

            I think this decision is probably Murrays biggest one of his tenure here…There are so many options, and honestly I think no matter what he decides people will be upset. I think in a way letting him go to FA is easiest, but would also cause people to call for his head if he leaves and we get nothing

          • Jonny

            He played 4 games with Ryan and they werent doing that bad if I recall, still close to a PPG. He had about 5-6 games with CMac and they were doing well, CMac broke out while playing with Spezza, same with CC89. He hasnt played consistently with the same linemates. Chemistry is developped and PMac was under the gun fast and early, so he kept changing lines.

            Cmac Spezza Zibanejad I thought was when those 3 players were playing their best hockey.

            Michalek Turris Ryan can handle themselves pretty well.

          • Sensnation

            Right on point Jonny!

          • runningbear1974

            He’s had all the wingers… Nothing special happened with any of them… He doesn’t adapt to other players, they have to adapt to him…
            He is not easy person to deal with… He does his own thing… Some people think it’s awesome, and some people think it’s shit… so, it’s probably somewhere in the middle…

          • NOBODY can play with Spezza

            It’s shit

          • Sensnation

            Agreed, and every time Spezza and MacArthur are on the ice together good things happen. Maybe keep Ryan with Turris, but give Spezza Mac.

          • Laurence Babchyuk

            Well he didn’t got the short hand of the stick. Turris outplayed him, it’s as simple as that. Turris makes his wingers better while spezza was a disaster for them (trying to be to fancy, slowing everything down) now that he plays with grinders. He has no choice to play harder, it looks like it motivates him doing the good, small things. It’s funny how hard it is to find a player to play with spezza. I thought that Stone was doing fine before he got hurt, I’d love to see pageau with spezza !

        • Zelle

          Thumbs up cause I laughed xD

    • Aaron 2.0

      I doubt that a move from Turris to Spezza would be the reason a player wouldn’t re-sign. But, I have some serious doubts about breaking that line up too. I think Turris and MacArthur (as a duo) have the best chemistry (on the entire team). So, if anybody gets moved, my guess is it’s Ryan. But, moving Ryan onto Spezza’s line scares me. Spezza’s skating isn’t quite what it use to be (he’s still fast in a straight line, but he seems to have lost some mobility). Ryan’s not the quickest guy on the team either. That duo sort of spells disaster, I think. If Spezza’s play and skating continue to get better, then maybe that works down the road. But, right now, I’d keep the Turris line intact. Spezza gets Zibanejad and Michalek (or Conaher). And, just give your top 2 lines more ice time. The bottom 6 takes a hit, but in reduced minutes.

      • Zelle

        I apologize I think I went a little overboard. I guess I am comparing this to how I choose my job. If I don’t like who I work the closest with, or if our approach to getting the work done doesn’t mesh at all, then the risk of me being unhappy and wanting to move departments will rise.

        Maybe that says more about me than anything though lol

        • Aaron 2.0

          Oh, don’t apologize! I agree w/ what you’re saying about that line. Leave them intact!

  • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

    Rene Bourque available….hope we don’t go that route!

    • Jacques

      He’s the worst!

    • Zelle

      Karlsson for Bourque!

  • Mexican Baby Jesus

    Just for some Friday fun…What would it take to get Jamie Benn out of Dallas? Under the assumption they would be willing to trade him (which is extremely unlikely).

    OTTAWA
    -Jamie Benn
    Dallas
    -Jason Spezza
    -Puemps
    -2nd round

    • Mexican Baby Jesus

      Realistically, we are going to throw a draft pick and snag Cammalleri. This would be more of an off season looking to make a splash move

    • CUP 2014-15

      Doubt he can be pried away from the Stars but it would take a ton. PW46, Boro/Gryba. Peumple, Lazar and a pick might get it done but if I am Dallas I don’t think it’s enough.

    • Sensnation

      No offense, but they have no interest in trading Benn. The cost would start with Lazar and skyrocket from there.

      • Mexican Baby Jesus

        No offence taken. Hence the “just for fun” & “extremely unlikely”

        • Laurence Babchyuk

          Ohh I wanna play that game too, what about …. Sydney Crosby ? Lol
          Benn would be sick in Ottawa. Benn plays a lil bit like Ryan
          If we go after there best player they will want our best player soooo. Karlsson for Benn…. No deal !

  • Deadly

    Last night I saw the satellite launch in Cape Canaveral .Got home in time to watch half the third period. With three minutes to go I criticized Maclean for having Neil on the ice when needing a goal.No sooner had I said it ,Neil sends a rocket of his own to the top left corner.
    Pretty funny .

  • NickofTime

    Funny, earlier in the yr when it was said that BM was looking for a defenceman everyone was talking about adding a defenceman while I argued we didn’t need any more defencemen & needed a scoring forward because we had enough especially when Ceci joins the team. Neil is great but Spezza , Phillips & Karlsson still need to be better defensively, Phillips cost us that 3rd goal against last night & Spezza/Karlsson were on for one or two goals against as well.

    The shootout isn’t going anywhere anytime soon & the Sens especially Anderson need to work much harder at it & dedicate much more time in practice to get better at it. Rather than being mad & complaining about it, practice at getting better at it. Ottawa has lost a lot of pts because of it, pts that would now have made a difference in the standings & could mean making the playoffs or not.

    • Mexican Baby Jesus

      If Cowen can get rid of his Tyler Myers syndrome, Karlsson’s +- will skyrocket

  • Cicero

    Kassian-Turris-Ryan
    Kassian-Spezza-Ryan
    Kassian-Smith-Neil
    Kassian-Lehner-Kassian

    Kassian-Karlsson
    Kassian-Ceci
    Kassian-Gryba

    • bluebuyyoo

      Kassassination!!

  • OverMind

    looks like SJ just did everyone a big favor by signing jumbo Joe and Marleau to 6.66 a season for 3 years. very team friendly contracts for those talents. Spezza for 3 more years at 6.66 or even Ryan at that value would be very nice.

    • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

      WHAT

      Really….

      I would lose my shit if we signed Spezza for 6.66 mil

      • Laurence Babchyuk

        Well he will sign for less, he’s not the #1 c of this club. Thornton is better then Spezza I’d like to keep spezza at 5million ( I wish ) but those two contract helps indeed.

    • Mexican Baby Jesus

      Leave it to the offseason and a couple horrible contracts for that to change. I’d take a discount to play on the Sharks and in California too

    • Mexican Baby Jesus

      But yes, it is amazing that they paid one of the best playmakers in the league less than Dion Phaneuf…

  • Zelle

    I wish such a crucial game (v Carolina) wasn’t on Saturday afternoon.

  • runningbear1974

    When I got in to work this morning, my co-worker buddy came to me to talk about how badly Spezza played last night… I guess different people see different things…

    • Sensnation

      Some people are going to hate on him no matter what.

      • runningbear1974

        lovers going to love, haters going to hate… By the way, my buddy wasn’t hating Spezza, just hating the way he plays…

        • Sensnation

          Spezza’s good, gets shit on more then he deserves so those who support him come across as lovers I guess. Hating the way he plays is hating on him, not sure I see the diff.

          • Zelle

            Being the Captain and a great player makes you a lightning rod for criticism when your play is struggling for whatever reason.

          • Sensnation

            Yup, but it’s not like it’s new this year.

          • Laurence Babchyuk

            When spezza plays like crap, he deserves everything bad that the fans give him. When he starts to play with heart and passion and stops to do stupid plays. He deserves the recognition, I don’t hate spezza.. I hate him when he cost the team, if he plays like the last two games I’ll have nothing wrong to say since talented players will sometime do bad plays. The key here is to do more good then bad. I’m glad that he starts to shoot more, be more energetic and starts to act like a captain should. I just hope it stays like that

  • Zelle

    Is Da Costa staying?

  • Deadly

    Is Stone back?

  • CUP 2014-15

    TSN 1200 Reports PW out tomorrow Mathot in

  • things that make me go hmmmmmm

    Rob Ford and Justin Bieber cheer for the Leafs.

  • WaitingSince92

    Sorry Chirp, but let’s face it; the shootout is here for a while. Too many fans like it.

    I’ve always disliked the idea, but you can’t deny the gut-wrenching excitement (for better or worse) it provides.

    Personally, I think the way to go is to change the points system. People are all uptight about that idea, but points are arbitrarily assigned in the first place.

    So:
    3 pts for a regulation win
    3 pts for an OT win
    2 point for a shooutout win
    1 point for a shootout loss

    I honestly believe that the main downside is that people don’t want to see 140 pts seasons because it’s different, but there are too many things wrong with that argument to address here.

    Upside includes:
    Every game is worth the same (a total of 3 points)
    Eliminates the OT loser point (although there’s still a shootout loser point)
    Makes shootout less valuable so teams play to WIN in OT

    I don’t like the 3v3 idea so much, partly because assigning points become a bit of a nightmare.

    Lots of good writing on the subject if you google it.

    • Aaron 2.0

      I totally agree w/ you on the proposed points structure! And, you made the point that’s always bothered me the most – not all games are worth the same number of points, implying that somehow a game that goes to OT or SO is more important (just because neither team could get it done in regulation).

      I think Sensnation and Hax actually nailed why we have the current structure. It’s about keeping more teams in that middle pack to create more competitive playoff races, and thus making more money down the stretch. I’d never really thought about this before, but it makes a lot of sense!

      The best we could probably hope for is an expanded OT (so that we get less SO). A lot of GMs seem to be leaning towards this. But, unfortunately, I think that our current points system is here to stay (as flawed as I think it is).

    • SensChirp

      Good post.

      Interesting to note that Ken Holland was on during the intermission of the MTL/DET game and seemed to think it was a slam dunk that overtime would be extended next year with 3 on 3 added.

      • SENSsmile

        That would be awesome IMHO.

  • Andrews theory

    3 on 3 will be awesome!

    I’m surprised we don’t send Zib more often in the shootout given his track record, I’d also try Karlsson 3-4 games in a row to get a feel for it… I have a feeling he’s a quick learner

  • Sandy

    Eliminating 3 pt games.. ie shootouts.. would tighten up the standings. It is so hard to gain ground now with the 3 pt games…
    I’m all for it being eliminated and back to a tie…

    • sprucesens

      isn’t that the idea, its hard to gain ground, because its so tight, thanks to 3 point games? I hate it, but that is the point

      • SENSsmile

        It’s the shoot-outs that I hate. Why don’t they go 4 on 4 for 5 minutes, and then 3 on 3 until someone scores. It would be a lot more exciting and relevant, and would probably take no more time than it does now for some of the shoot-outs that drag on forever. Besides, shoot-outs are, for the most part, all about shit luck.

        • sprucesens

          i would love 3 on 3. i hate the way it currently is. Not even the fact that it goes to shootout, but more so that it makes games 3 points instead of 2. The only problem with 3 on 3, is it still might not end in a goal. I bet it would be damn fun to watch though.

          • SENSsmile

            My feeling is that 3 on 3 would easily result in a goal within 5 minutes. There would be so many scoring opportunities that a quick goal would be almost inevitable.

    • T K

      The real solution is to award 3 points for every game. Regulation win = 3, OT/SO win = 2, OT loss = 1, regulation loss = 0.

      Any other system is patently unfair by nature.

  • QSenFan

    Detroit and NJ won tonight. Sens must find a way to go on a win streak. Next two games against CAR and CBJ are huge.

    • SENSsmile

      Damned Habs always seem to manage to lose when we hope that they win.

  • sprucesens

    here’s a crazy suggestion with all the lineups we’ve seen lately. I don’t want to break up the turris line, but if i did….

    Cmac-Turris-Conacher
    Michalek-Zibanejad-Ryan
    Greening-Spezza-SDC
    Condra-Smith-Neil

    Da costa’s spot only there till Stone returns. I doubt they use SDC at wing, since Zib has done it well so far, but would be interesting to get zib out with ryan somehow. maybe….

    Cmac-Turris-Conacher
    Zibanejad-Spezza-Ryan
    Michalek-SDC-Greening
    Condra-smith-neil

    Zib just creates so much room when he has the puck, and can find anyone. With spezza and more importantly, Ryan, taking his feeds, i think that could be a dangerous line. He has a hell of a shot too, if the other 2 don’t feel they have the shot. I think if i loaded a top heavy line, it’d be Zibanejad-Turris-Ryan. …yikes but i like the current chemistry.