Sens Fans Predict the Spezza Trade

SensChirp June 18, 2014 565
Sens Fans Predict the Spezza Trade

Last week, we held a contest where fans were asked to predict the outcome in the Jason Spezza sweepstakes.  With all the rumours that have been circulating around the last few weeks, I wanted to give you all a chance to take a shot at predicting the Jason Spezza Trade.  The results were certainly interesting and should make for some pretty good discussion.

In total there were 87 submissions with most of you leaning towards the St. Louis Blues…

St Louis Deals

Or the Anaheim Ducks…

Anaheim Deals

Nashville was probably the team that came up third most.  Although I bet some people would like to change their prediction with the news that the Nashville Predators are apparently on Jason Spezza’s no trade list.

Nashville

And then a few of you went against the grain entirely, picking options from outside the three most talked about teams.  And possibly my favourite entry, one participant predicted no trade at all.

Other Deals

You can click on each of the images to get a better look.  Good luck to everyone that entered!

 

  • Andrews theory

    I’ll say this;

    Whoever ends up as the cornerstone NHL ready player coming back, they better have a clean bill of health. Accepting damaged goods like we did for Heatley is unacceptable in this circumstance.

    I am not sold on the St Louis deal unless they are willing to part with a peice they adamently don’t want to move.

    I’d rather a smaller quantity of players with a higher ceiling than a bunch of left overs.

    • FistsofNeil25

      Preach AT!

      • Pasky

        You said it!

    • Tooks

      You think we are gonna get a cornerstone player for Spezza? Man you are gonna be PISSED!

      • Andrews theory

        your taking the words out of context. St Louis is reported to be centering a deal around Berglund, Anaheim is reported to be centering a deal around Palmeiri potentially etc.
        at a minimum we’ll be getting one asset back that has already played in the NHL as a top 6 or viewed as ready to take the next step into a top 6 role.
        whoever that guy is, he can’t / shouldn’t be coming off significant injuries. Heatley we took back Cheech and Chong both of whom were broken.

        • Tooks

          Yeah but you said cornerstone, like the actual word…Palmieri or Berglund are hardly conerstone players, they are NHL rdy for sure but mainly 2nd liners. Which I think is the best we are goana get.

          I would prefer Cogs or Bonino but not sure that can happen :S

          • C.J.

            dude…he clearly means cornerstone player of the deal haha, not a cornerstone player of the nhl

        • Sandy

          Like him or not, Spezza is a #1 centre capable of putting up a point a game (with the right wingers). Now both St L & Ana have good wingers for him to play with.
          I would hope that Murray doesn’t feel forced to make a deal if all that is offered is a bunch of scrubs.
          St Louis — getting back a player who had a major shoulder injury and may need surgery. Now this could mean at least 4 mos. I don’t believe he has even had the surgery yet. Maybe they are waiting to see if it heals, but what major shoulder injuries heal on their own.
          Hell, he may not even be able to play until Nov if it stretches on.
          Do you want that?

    • Sandy

      Amen to that.
      Schwartz and a pick for Spezza. Take it St Louis or you don’t get him.

      • Name

        If it’s St-Louis, for me it’s both Berglund and Shattenkirk for spezza or no deal.. Schwartz aint moving ! Those two and i’d be real happy. Top 6 forward, top 4 defense.. Get her Done BM!

  • FistsofNeil25

    My favorite is Spezza+Andy+Hemsky for Niederreiter+Coyle+Dumba+1st. If Bryan Murray could pull that off I would build a shrine of him outside of the CTC.

    • Andrews theory

      I heard he’s turning water into wine these days

      • Tooks

        Sour wine maybe.

    • sprucesens

      that would be quite the haul. it completely up routes everything Minnesota is building towards though.

      • FistsofNeil25

        There’s a 0% chance of that ever happening.

      • Andrews theory

        interestingly, Minni doesnt’ have alot of space for their young players to move into the top 6. Those guys also will need new contracts and they have prospects knocking on the door for a job.

        The time for them to make a push is now. not sure Spezza is their guy but i could see them making some waves

        • sprucesens

          yeah, they somehow keep signing all the top UFA’s or trading for top rentals and then resigning them

        • FistsofNeil25

          But you could argue that Nino, Coyle and Granlund are already in their top six. In the playoffs they often rolled out Parise-Koivu-Coyle and Nino-Granlund-Pominville.

  • Pasky

    I know people have mentioned that the deal would happen after July 1st as a sign and trade. One thing to keep in mind is that teams can start to negotiate on June 25th, although they can’t officially sign players until July 1st. If this is also true for contract extensions, then the Sens can talk about a contract extension to Spezza on behalf of other teams interested, and essentially have a verbal sign and trade.

    For example, Dallas was discussed as a possibility but they aren’t interested for just one year. If the Sens talk to Spezza about what needs to happen to sign an extension with Dallas on June 25th, then they can relay the info to Dallas and possibly have a new contract in place before they can sign it. Then the deal can happen during the draft.

    Considering reports say Spezza wants either St-Louis or Anaheim then Dallas might be out if Spezza wouldn’t want to sign there but at least it’s a possibility.

    • Hax

      I believe the extra week to negotiate is only for pending UFAs, not for guys like Spezza finishing the second last year of their contracts.

      But even if they were allowed, I just can’t see a GM pulling the trigger on a trade without ink on paper – they’d get horse whipped if somehow the deal with Spezza fell through and they overpaid a ton for a one-year rental.

      • Andrews theory

        Ottawa / Murray has been known to bend the rules on a few occassions circumventing the rules. They may not have things in writing but if there are back office deals in gov’t, you know there is back office deals in this industry.

      • sprucesens

        I agree, but I don’t think there is any rule that murray can’t talk to spezza about what kind of contract he is looking for at any time, regardless of the fact that they can’t sign one. No reason he can’t get this info, and relay it to whatever team. Only problem is, its he said she said. If the deal is made with only players, there is no taksies backsies. They might work it with a conditional pick as the component that changes.

        • Hax

          Totally – but if you’re a GM are you going to risk your job (potentially) on a hand-shake agreement? It’s possible, but I think the odds are much greater that the Spezza deal happens on July 1st when they can actually ink the deal. Yes, they’ll have likely already been granted permission before then to talk to Spezza (officially or unofficially) and have the terms worked out, but that’s a long way from a signed deal.

          • Matthew Stevens

            Murray and Spezza can talk about UFOs, ham sandwichs and anything else, there are almost no restrictions there. Other teams can use Murray as a middle man to get the rough framework of an extension prior to the trade deadline. That way both teams minimize risk and the players get what they want.

          • Hax

            Every word true – but they still have no guarantees. Do you think a GM is going to risk paying more than every other GM (i.e. a solid young player and a first) without a guarantee? I’m not saying it won’t happen, I just think it’s more likely that once July 1st hits and GMs can get an actual contract signed they’ll be willing to give just a little bit more than they would with just a “handshake” agreement with Spezza’s agent.

    • Rafi Bomb

      Maybe Murray wants Nichushkin + and they aren’t willing to part with that.

      • Andrews theory

        I think you can say that peice fairly confidently on both sides

      • Pasky

        I’d be happy with Chiasson+ otherwise, I think Nichuskin is a stretch

        • Rafi Bomb

          Well with speculation that the two final teams in the running are St Louis and Anaheim, my guess is that Dallas isn’t offering us a sufficient package.

          • Pasky

            Agreed, that’s why I mentioned the sign and trade above, because I remember reading on possibly TSN that Dallas wasn’t interested in just 1 year of Spezza.

  • FistsofNeil25

    Unless St Louis is willing to offer up one of their core players then they likely won’t get Spezza. Other teams just have more to offer.

    There’s definitely been some speculation around Berglund+ but if his shoulder injury is as serious as it’s rumored to be, Murray better not even think about acquiring him. Shoulder injuries are serious business. Don’t believe me then ask Pistol Petey Regin.

    • Rafi Bomb

      This. Doug Armstrong better pony up and start offering the likes of Backes, Oshie, Shattenkirk, Schwartz or Tarasenko if he wants to get this deal done. Otherwise Anaheim will be the easy choice for Murray.

      • FistsofNeil25

        I don’t think he’ll want to get the deal done enough to send us any of those players. MAYBE Shattenkirk…maybe…

        And if Armstrong doesn’t offer up one of those names, there are other teams with more to offer, especially Anaheim.

        Armstrong isn’t dealing from a position of strength. They don’t have a deep prospect pool and all their appealing roster players are members of their core. The rest are just a bunch of extras.

        Spezza may think St Louis is the best fit for him but trading with them is not the best fit for the Sens.

        • Rafi Bomb

          This is the impression I am getting as well. Every time I have seen a Blues fan make an offer is has always been complete crap.

          If we are not getting one of the 5 players listed above then I see no reason to trade with them.

      • sprucesens

        agreed, I think we would target oshie or Schwartz, with both teams leaning towards oshie. However, I don’t see this as a step that moves st. Louis forward, which is why they would be hesistant

        • Rafi Bomb

          Oshie would be an ideal target. He would fit our system well.

          • sprucesens

            and we’ve inquired about him a few times before. I think, even if it takes an extra piece, if the deal is with st. Louis, this is who we will get back

      • Pasky

        Off of this list I see Shattenkirk being the only possible pice that St-Louis would part ways with, although I can see us sending them Weircioch in return to make it happen.

        If we can get Shattenkirk, Jaskin & 1st for Spezza and Weircioch then I’d be ecstatic.

        • Matthew Stevens

          I agree, St. louis has a nice D-core with 3 potential top pair guys. if they got Weircioch back it would round out their pairings nicely (Shattenkirks the odd man out).
          i cant see them getting ride of any of there REAL core guys (oshie, schwartz, Tarasenko, Backes, Steen???)

    • Mike

      Berglund + Shattenkirk 1st vs Spezza Borowiecki 4th
      Get her done BM

  • Aaron 2.0

    I never sent a submission, Chirp. But, I was close to sending in no trade! I do think he’ll get traded at some point, and almost certainly before the season starts. But, my chances of guessing this thing right were probably about as high as winning the lottery. I figured no trade, at least before the season starts, was as likely a guess as anything else I could come up with (in a situation where deals just aren’t good enough with all the reported players that could be moved). Again, I don’t think this is the most likely outcome. But, as far as guessing a potential trade exactly, this seemed like a good way to go (nice little niche). Kudos to the Chirper/Chipette who sent in that one! Although, I have a feeling by the cap locks in the list, they just really don’t want to see Spezza go.

  • Tooks

    Wow do I automatically win if he goes to ANA after July 1st!! lol, Everyone is before the draft…

    • FistsofNeil25

      The trade with Helgesen had Tookie written all over it.

      • Pasky

        We should have another contest to guess who submitted what trade prediction lol

        Winner gets a Spezza Jersey

      • Tooks

        Well that was easy I posted it on here before sending it to SC.

    • SensChirp

      Ha. Date is the tiebreaker.

      • Tooks

        *Thinks what he’s gonna do with all that wiser’s*

  • Floridasensfan

    I hope we see the trade soon, tired of waiting, doubt interest gets higher closer to the draft.
    Can they do a deal and wait for the draft to announce it or do they have to release as soon as it is done.

    • FBP

      GMBM has jumped out in front of the pack with trades in the past.

      • Pasky

        And I imagine he does it again considering how many Centers are possibly on the market. Considering Anaheim also have interest in Kesler and they pull the trigger on him, then that leaves the Sens with St-Louis and guaranteed we’d be getting stuck with Berglund.

        • Sandy

          Do you think Vanc would trade Kesler within their own division? I don’t think so.

    • FistsofNeil25

      I just want the trade to get done so I can get on with my life lol I’ve never spend as much time on this site as I have in the last 6 weeks and I’ve been following since the Heatley saga first began.

      • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

        Pretty much nailed my life lately too

        Kinda sucks… Sorry chirp!

        • Andrews theory

          DITO
          bad news is always good for business

    • Tooks

      Dont think you’ll see one until after July 1st, or whenever Stastny goes. When you think about it, why risk sending assets when you can have this guy for free and sign him longterm at cheaper than Spezza.

      • Andrews theory

        Statsny is going to sign in Colorado.

      • Pasky

        Stastny can start negotiating with other teams as of June 25th with the new CBA, so if he tells Colorado he likes another deal beofre the draft on the 27th then maybe they jump into the Spezza trade war.

        • FistsofNeil25

          This is a good point. Teams can start calling Stastny’s agent to gauge interest and offer contracts, but nothing can become official until July 1st. Stastny can reject any offers from interested clubs starting on June 25th.

  • FBP

    It’d be crazy if STL got Kadri and flipped him to us:

    Retweeted by Hope_Smoke
    Simmsation ‏@Simmsation 4m
    Kyper says Leafs have enquired on Berglund for Kadri

    • Andrews theory

      so if Leafs want to flip Kadri for Berglund, do we undervalue Berg or overvalue Kadri as a fan base?

      seems like a bad deal on the leafs side IMO

      • FBP

        Yeah but they do non budget related ridiculous things all the time. Hard to judge value based on Leaf decisions/inquiries.

    • Rafi Bomb

      This is now starting to get interesting. If they acquire Kadri and put him in part of a package for Spezza, contingent on what he is packaged with , they could become the front runners.

      • FistsofNeil25

        If the Kyper rumor is true then it;s very possible that St Louis would be happy just to acquire Kadri to play in the top six. Their core is still pretty young and he would be cheaper to acquire than Spezza because they wouldn’t have to give up a core piece.

        • Rafi Bomb

          Ya, that is a possibility as well.

      • peetypuck

        Cowen for Kadri. How funny would that be?

    • Pasky

      Kypreos rumor, so I won’t put much stock in it as of now. But if it’s true then we might see a 3-way trade and then nobody wins the contest lol

      • Rafi Bomb

        There would have to be more than those 3 involved.

    • sprucesens

      you would think the blues would jump on that. injured RFA for signed pesky C. I hate kadri, but I’d probably do that

    • Spezza for Kadri

      … is what it will be
      (cue the spooky music)

    • Sandy

      I guess Kypreos was a little concerned with none of the recent talks about his beloved Leafs, so he had to create one?
      I’m just sick realizing 12 years of Rogers doing NHL hockey, when they are bringing in all of those f’in Leaf loving CBC folks. I guess it’s 12 years of watching games on Mute like I did when CBC had the games.

      They so suck.
      Sportsnet had the chance to make a big impact and they bring in the bias and incapable CBC garbage, except for Friedman — he and Galley were the only decent ones CBC had.

  • Marcel Marcotte

    I suggested a few weeks ago that Oshie should be part of the deal on twitter. The person responded that it would not happen. Berglund I’m not convinced, I keep hearing he has a shoulder injury. Maybe Shattenkirk and Tarensenko, we shall see.

    • peetypuck

      If STL is as interested as we keep hearing, they must be willing to give up one of their better players or prospects.

  • Rafi Bomb

    I wouldn’t be surprised that the team that acquires Spezza also becomes the front runner to sign Hemsky and Heatley if they so choose. Therefore some team could end up with a Heatley-Spezza-Hemsky line as soon as July 1st.

    • FBP

      They could even sign Alfie.

    • Andrews theory

      I think Heatley may be looking for a job in the KHL or he’ll need to settle for a team desperate for offense.

      • Rafi Bomb

        He is probably done in the NHL, but if he does come back, my guess is that he tries to play with Spezza again.

        • spezzerman

          he might have done just enough in the playoffs to earn a 1 year cheap contract from a bottom feeder. He may prefer the KHL to that, though

        • CaMo

          He’ll get 1.5 or 2mil somewhere in the NHL i would guess

    • not YOUR wingman

      I’d be suprised – the teams that would really like to add Spezza don’t
      need (and probably can’t afford) those other OLD guys

      Spezza won’t be bringing an entourage with him

      • Rafi Bomb

        I am not saying they will sign those guys, just that they likely could if they wanted to as Heatley and Hemskey probably prefer to play with Spezza.

  • Pasky

    How’s this for a 3-way trade involving TO, STL and Ottawa

    St-Louis gets Spezza
    Toronto gets Berglund & Jaskin/Rattie
    Ottawa gets Kadri, Gardiner & 8th overall pick

    • FistsofNeil25

      Toronto gets bent over hard.

      • Hax

        That’s the best part of the deal!

    • spezzerman

      works for me

    • Rafi Bomb

      More likely Kadri for Berglund and a pick or prospect. Then the Blues package Kadri with a pick/prospect for Spezza. Or package Kadri with Shattenkirk for Spezza +.

    • Andrews theory

      like the deal except for the Gardiner peice. We already have a log jam on D and he doesn’t look ready for top 4 duty.
      he is an asset though that you could move i suppose

  • cups

    kinda surprised there was now combination of lindholm and smith-pelley.. is that too much? even without any picks or a 2nd/3rd?

    • Rafi Bomb

      It might be. Lindholm is a key part of their defense and DSP is there up and coming power forward. I could see them possibly parting with either plus, but not as a package. Personally I still see the possibility of getting DSP and Etem.

      • cups

        if it makes any difference, that is probably the only trade that I would add wiercioch or methot to

      • Tooks

        Lindholm is pratically untouchable…Anyone who had him in a trade is dead in the water.

        • Rafi Bomb

          I have heard a few people mention that now and that is why I rarely put him in any trade proposals.

  • EHMatt

    I like that Phoenix trade for Stone, Samuelsson and a 1st in 2015. You get Mark Stone’s brother and Lazar’s teammate. Although I doubt they would want Borocop because they have a tonne of D-men

    • Pasky

      Replace Borocop with Prince, then ship a D in a seperate deal, or have Ceci start in the AHL until an injury or trade happens, not something I prefer doing but is an option that we’ve done in the past (Zibby)

    • Sandy

      Spezza to Phoenix for Vermette, Samuelsson and a 1st round pick in 2014 which is 12th overall.
      I had Anaheim as the trade destination for Spezza, but I would prefer Phoenix.

  • A-Train

    Murray plays a long game. He’s liked J-Bo and Oshie in the past. It was the same with Ryan. People said it could never happen. He’s also dangling the rights to sign Hemsky. The Blues risk being stuck behind the Kings, Hawks, Ducks and Sharks for years….. Do something. I need my life back……

    • Andrews theory

      count me in on J-BO.
      if we’d had him last season, we would have been in the playoffs.

      with that said, we need a couple peices for the top 6 or this really will be a lottery type season

    • Eric

      That’s an interesting thought… trade Spezza and Hemsky’s rights as part of a package… They have demonstrated chemistry.

  • Tooks

    From a Leafs buddy of mine.

    “Spezza is going West and I can guarantee you if Stastny goes UFA he will end up in Toronto. They will overpay for him to center Kessel and JVR. Three American Olympians.

    That’s why Toronto is trying to get rid of Phaneuf’s contract.”

    • CaMo

      They will never be rid of that horrible Phaneuf contract. If they over pay one more guy they will be horrible for years. Leafs and their fans always think they are goning to get anyone mentioned as available.

    • Dirk-Diggler

      You have friends?

      • do due dew doodoo

        LMAO – post of the day

    • A-Train

      I’m sure they want him. But dumping Phaneuf just months after you gave him the biggest, most expensive vote of confidence possible? I know the rumour is out there but it’s too whackjob for me to take seriously.

    • FistsofNeil25

      Every Leaf fan ever: “I can guarantee you (insert star player’s name here) will end up in Toronto”

      • Tooks

        And more often than not they do, lol.

        • CaMo

          Fuck it, they can have Clarkson at 7 Million.

        • FistsofNeil25

          What? Because they got Clarkson? The thought they were going to sign Brad Richards. Didn’t happen. They thought they were going to sign Parise. Didn’t happen.

          The biggest names I can think of that they signed in the last 5 or 6 years are Clarkson, Tim Connelly, Jason Blake, Komisarek, and Beauchemin.

          How did all of those signings work out for them?

          • do due dew doodoo

            Accurate research is something that Tookie never bothers with

    • peetypuck

      You mean just like all those other UFA’s that signed with the Laffs? lol

      • Sandy

        You beat me to that comment… darn.

  • Jakester

    Maybe Leafs are cutting our grass – trading Kadri for our St Louis package – would laugh my ass off.

    • Sandy

      With that severe shoulder injury, Berglund may not even be ready to start the season, if he gets the surgery in July… I’m surprised he hasn’t had the surgery by now.
      If they want to trade him, they need to fix him. He’s injured whether he gets the surgery or not.

  • Spoons

    SO apparently TO has inquired Berglund for Kadri. If it happens, does St-Louis keep Kadri or do they try to flip him for Spezza? I’d reather have Kadri over Berglund.

    • CaMo

      If that trade went down , I wouldn’t be surprised if they ended up flipping him to us.

    • SENSible Voice

      The way I read this is that a deal with Ottawa may have gone south when it was revealed that Berglund needs shoulder surgery. So STL is perhaps pursuing another deal that would involve Berglund to a team willing to gamble. (ie: TOR)

    • A-Train

      They’d have to know Kadri could land right back in Ottawa. Risky for the Leafs and is Berglund that much better than Kadri?

  • CaMo

    Did everyone else see Spezza’s full no-trade list? All Canadian teams are on it + NASH FLA CBJ and NYI.

    • EK65

      Toronto and Montreal aren’t on the list. He knows Murray doesn’t want to move him there, and he wanted to protect against 2 other American teams

      • CaMo

        Nonsense, they ARE on the list. Dreger released it today.

        “Report from @DarrenDreger says 10 teams on Jason Spezza’s no-trade list are: MON, TOR, WPG, EDM, CGY, VAN, NASH, FLA, NYI, #CBJ.”

        • SensChirp

          Nope. I think that is being misinterpreted a little bit. He included the other four Canadian teams for sure but nothing about MTL and TOR.

  • esk

    I think kadri would fit in nicelyy with the sens. I rather him than berglund.. what do you guys think?

    • cups

      he certainly is pesky

    • do due dew doodoo

      our very own D’Arcy Tucker ? Sure – why not ?
      Can’t wait until he jumps into the Leafs bench next season.

    • Andrews theory

      Kadri offers a skill set we don’t have on our roster after Spezza leaves in my opinion.
      Main downside I see with Kadri is you then have two undersized Centers as your go to guys. With that said, it’s better than the alternative.

  • Doc

    Is it over yet?

  • karlssens

    Okay I felt it wasn’t fair to say what I said last night and now follow up, but here’s what I heard from a guy reportedly within the organization (chirp feel free to delete this comment if it’s off base. I am only writing what I heard):

    -this person is fairly confident Ryan won’t resign if a deal isn’t done by July 1st. Apparently there is confirmed concern within the room about the budget and Ryan is no exception. Wants a team that’s wants to win.

    -confirmed spezza left because of desire to win and ottawas budget. Canadian market played a very minor role in the decision. Same reasons as alfie for leaving.

    -the senators are all Melynk has. He can’t sell, because the sens are the only thing keeping him afloat. If he sells, all of the money goes towards debts. He just wants to make money with this team, and we suffer as a result.

    -Ottawa pays some of the lowest wages for it’s staff league wide, and most of the employees are interns because of the high turnover

    • karlssens

      Also:

      -last year was a very bad year for the sens financially, contrary to what was said at the end of the year

      On the bright side:

      -new renovations happening to the building going forward where the boxes are going to be altered or changed as they don’t sell enough.

      -the senators will never be moved from Ottawa. The market isn’t Toronto or Montreal, but there is massive potential in Ottawa as the years go by.

      • peetypuck

        If Melnyk wasn’t so greedy he could probably sell 51% of the Sens and still rake in 49% of the profits. Unfortunately, he probably wants to keep control which keeps anyone else from wanting to invest.
        I agree that the Sens have great potential if they only had an owner who would invest in the team rather than suck as much profit out as possible. There are so many non-Sens fans in and around Ottawa just ripe for being converted over the coming years. The CTC could be sold out all season long. Too bad Melnyk is so greedy and short-sighted.

    • Pasky

      This picture should some up the comment section pretty good.

    • Dirk-Diggler

      I think that’s mostly all true. But, Ryan can’t sign before July 1st so point 1 must mean that the deal is already agreed upon. If Ryan doesn’t sign however he will be moved. The organization can’t lose Spezza and Ryan the year after losing Alfie for almost nothing. So if Ryan doesn’t want to sign then the Sens will trade him and use the mosy to sign someone else.

      Point 2 is fair for Spezza leaving. I’d want to go play for a winner too. But in fairness Spezza isn’t really in Ottawas plans for when they are a contender in 2-3 seasons time. By then it’ll be the young core taking over and the Sens will add pieces to support those guys.

      Point 3. Screw Melnyk. He’s OK not spending much next season but sooner or later he will have to and if he can’ then the lynch mod to get him will be 10 times bigger.

      Point 4. I’ve heard the Sens pay relatively good wages but are under staffed.

    • Zelle

      If guys like Spezza, Alfie, and Ryan are not signing because of the owner, then can the NHL step in? Aren’t sports teams supposed to be a toy or passion for billionaire owners? I’m a fan but not a sucker. Not signing Ryan would be it for me.

      • karlssens

        Agreed. If we lose Ryan, we riot lol!

        • Zelle

          I totally would if it didn’t end up in me losing my job when caught.. lol

        • sprucesens

          I would, but no one would know what I’m doing, as I live in Edmonton. I’d just look like a lunatic drunk, which isn’t far from what I look like on a daily basis, so maybe people wouldn’t even notice? lol

          • peetypuck

            Hahahahaha

        • Sandy

          No — we demand Melnyk sells the team.

    • SENSible Voice

      There isn’t much new in what you just said. The only thing that makes me doubt about the reliability of your source is that Ryan cannot sign anything until July 1st and AFTER. You can only extend a contract once entering its final year, which from what I understand, begins July 1st. So how can an extension be done before then?

      • Pasky

        New CBA let’s you negotiate from June 25th as far as i know.

        • Doc

          Still can’t be signed until July 1st.

          • zippy

            So bottom line…Huge time for the Sens. We need a great return for the Spezza trade. And we need to convince Ryan he should stay.

            He’ll sign July 1 or very soon thereafter if he believes we are serious. Also means if we lowball him, he’s gone.

      • karlssens

        Interesting. I could be remembering wrong. But, I am fairly sure they said before July 1st.. But I have reason to believe he is close to the organization as he had proof. We had a long conversation about stuff. And he’s not very happy with the organization at all. Some things he wouldn’t tell me.

        • SENSible Voice

          Perhaps you are confusing the one week period before July 1st where teams are allowed to talk to pending UFAs. Ryan does not fall into this category.

        • Deadly

          Good employees are hard to find. Great that he wouldn’t tell you some things. Loyalty like that is hard to find.

        • KJ

          no offense to your friend, and its good he didn’t tell you some things, but he should keep his mouth zipped. When you sign a contract as an employee, you are bound to keep company internal information secret. he could get fired if he is found out to be a source of a leak.

          • Doc

            It’s nothing that hasn’t been divulged before though. This isn’t news.

          • KJ

            its irrelevant what’s talked about though. if he is a Sen’s employee, he shouldn’t be talking about any of it casually. anywho, back to watching the public shaming of Melnyk. :)

        • peetypuck

          If someone (men in suits) knocks on your door, don’t answer it. It could be the RCMP wanting to find out who the “leak” is.

      • Doc

        The NHL has been monitoring the Senators’ situation for a few years already.

        • karlssens

          He also mentioned this. The NHL has been keeping a close eye on Ottawa and having Eugene pay some bills.

          Very important thing I forgot to mention:

          Until this year, Ottawa contributed to revenue sharing. As of this year because of Melynks financials, we were the beneficiary. Not sure how accurate this is.

          • Doc

            Yes, that’s why I know there is zero interest in moving the franchise, but there’s quite a lot of concerns with the financial situation. It’s in the NHL’s best interest to make sure the business stays a afloat, and that the owner does what he’s supposed to.

            Wouldn’t be surprised about the revenue sharing. Remember the incident with the equipment a few seasons ago (was it last season?).

          • KJ

            Daily said there were no concerns about Ottawa last time he was asked about Ottawa’s ownership. too much trying to “read between the lines” going on here.

          • Hax

            Well if the league was concerned the last thing they would do is add fuel to the fire by telling fans they’re concerned.

            But yes, we are all making assumptions here.

            The trouble is, the evidence (circumstantial it may be) is really starting to pile up.

          • SensChirp

            The NHL likes to deal with its Ownership issues one at a time, and always downplays issues in any market until a solution presents itself. Kind of the way they operate.

          • Pasky

            Agreed, that’s why we didn’t hear about Atlanta until they moved to Winnipeg.

          • Doc

            Bingo.

          • KJ

            Yes. I agree Chirp. The NHL likes to deal with their business behind closed doors. But we know how well the Phoenix story was kept under wraps. I still think if the Sens were in real trouble it would not be hidden from the media and would be a real story.
            Things should be made clear after July 1st about our favorite teams direction.
            I still recall that Dorion interview a while back and him saying that the Sens plan on being very busy on July 1st.
            What this means I can only speculate :)

          • Sandy

            Then you have Cyril Leeder saying that the Sens were better off financially this season than they were last year even after 2 playoff rounds.

            Where is all of this stuff coming from?

    • FistsofNeil25

      That’s for clarifying. I was honestly fearing that you were going to tell us Karlsson wants out already as well.

      Most of what you just said goes hand in hand with what we already know and
      why so many of us are growing more and more concerned over whats been
      happening.

      • karlssens

        He said he didn’t hear anything about Karlsson wanting out (trust me I asked), but he said we wouldn’t expect him to sign past his deal if things remain the same around here.

      • Sandy

        Alife leaving, Silfverberg traded, Regin let walk, now Spezza being traded and if Ryan is traded — I’m sure Karlsson will be extremely pissed off and I wouldn’t be surprised if he wants out. Some of those players were his friends, especially Ryan,.

    • Pasky

      I’m thinking though that if Ryan does get traded for this reason then either Karlsson either request a trade now, or waits the length of his contract and doesn’t re-sign. Either way I don’t think players will be taking any home town discounts if this keeps going.

      If I was a player I would take a discount as long as there’s commitment to take the salary I’m leaving on the table to add an important piece to win a Cup. Right now you can argue that Karlsson left between 0.5M to 1M a year on the table by request of hometown discount. That’s somewhere between 3.5-7M that he essentially placed in Melnyk’s pocket since he doesn’t want to reinvest the money to improve the team and give him a chance at a Cup.

      So although Karlsson might not request a trade right away, you can believe that if the budget still exist once his contract is up then he leaves the team. You can also say the same thing about Turris.

      And this is why the Senators under-performed last year and will probably do the same this year as well. Melnyk’s budget I think has become a poison in the locker room, and this isn’t a locker room poison that you can just trade away unfortunately.

    • spezzerman

      no need to delete. Some random dude who “reportedly” works for the Sens has the same fears as everyone else.

    • peetypuck

      If Dreger hears about your comment he’ll have a hayday trashing our Senators all summer. Then again, if it’s possible maybe Melnyk is embarrassed into spending more or even better he puts the team up for sale.

    • SensChirp

      Nothing here that I haven’t heard and hinted at on the site. These are not fun times for the Ottawa Senators.

      Although to be fair, I have also heard the opposite on Ryan and that people do expect him to sign. But I do know that he is also concerned about the commitment to winning element.

      • spezzerman

        that is why his re-signing means so much. Ryan and MAc resigning plus the Spezza return (as long as it isnt a third-liner and a draft pick) would get everyone feeling pretty excited again. It will certainly make me feel better.

      • peetypuck

        If Ryan was to tell Murray that he wanted out also I wonder what effect it would have on Melnyk and how he runs the Sens?

    • Sandy

      That Ryan part really has me worried.. They would have no choice but to trade him as well, this off-season if he refuses to stay.
      This team could be in a real mess come Sept 2014.

  • FistsofNeil25

    Is it bad that I wouldn’t be that devastated if Ryan didn’t want to re-sign? It’s honestly just the expectation I’ve had since the moment we acquired him. I never had my hopes up that he would want to be a Senator for long. As long as he makes it clear to the organization this summer that he isn’t interested in staying here long term then that’s fine. We can trade him and he’ll still have good value. Just don’t walk away as a free agent okay Bobby?

    • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

      I’m honestly getting to the point of just laughing at the whole thing

      Going to have to make a custom jersey from China I think

      Melnyk

      FU

    • Zelle

      After what they gave to acquire him though, just to let him walk over money when they’re not resigning Spezza to a contract. It would just be a WTF moment from a team management standpoint. You pay a high price for a guy. You try to get him involved in the community. You try to make him the face of the franchise. Then you go and offer him a junk offer and let him walk? Ugh.

      • FistsofNeil25

        I don’t think they would low-ball him or let him walk. I think they’ll offer him market value but if he’s concerned with the direction the team is going and the budget, then he can go elsewhere and sign for market value with a team that gives him a better chance to win. If he doesn’t want to sign he’ll be traded. Murray won’t risk losing him for nothing considering what he gave up for him.

        • Zelle

          True. I also don’t want him traded though. M-T-R was so good, they can only be better this coming season, why would you break that up? I guess I just really want them to keep this line.

          • FistsofNeil25

            It may not be up to anyone but Bobby. If he doesn’t want to be here there’s nothing we can do. We don’t know which side he’s leaning towards.

        • Sandy

          It’s all how Murray lays it out.
          At some point, Melnyk has to spend to give ‘his’ players raises — meaning his developed young players.
          If he doesn’t do that, then the Sens basically become a development team for the other NHL teams. So basically an AHL team in the NHL.

      • peetypuck

        Over a month ago I said I thought it might take $8-9 million a year to re-sign Bobby. If this news is correct it’s probably going to take $8 million (overpay him) to keep him here and Melnyk will have no choice but to sign the cheque.

        • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

          If he earns that much he is as good as gone

          • peetypuck

            Maybe that’s why Murray has been so quiet so far. He’s working his ass off to get a decent return on trading Ryan along with Spezza. He’s going to have to keep the team above the cap floor.

          • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

            Maybe…. Now stop scaring me

          • peetypuck

            But just think of all the high draft picks the team would have. LOL

    • Pasky

      I think Ryan may re-sign but he won’t take a discount to do it knowing that Melnyk won’t put on a competitive team because of it. And I’m sure Melnyk knows that if he loses Ryan as well then he will lose even more ticket sales as well as probably Karlsson at some point.

      But I’m expecting we lose MacArthur now since that’s a type of player that we low-ball because of his up and down history and he can probably walk with better offers on the open market.

      • Zelle

        Not signing Mac would be a huge mistake too considering how weak the LW position is right now.

        • Pasky

          Agree but if he has another strong year along side Turris and Ryan where he scores 60 points, then with a rising salary cap he can probably command 4.5M-5M as a free agent and I’m not sure if that’s a price the Sens would pay for him.

          • Michenator

            MacArthur was arguably one of our best players last year because of his consistency… Sign MacArthur and sign Ryan or get the team ready for folding.

          • Pasky

            Believe me I want him re-signed. I’m just scared of it not happening because of this budget. Depending on what kind of return we get from Spezza and what the cost is for Ryan.

    • Sandy

      It’s the optics of the situation. Alfie, then Spezza, then Ryan.
      These are key star players for one Cdn team wanting out. How does that look to the rest of the league?
      It would be a joke.

      • FistsofNeil25

        They already look like a joke but yeah you’re right, losing Ryan on top of everything else would be sickening.

  • esk

    why doesnt melynk just sale a % of the team to generate cash? seems like he is hoping his financial situation changes…….everyday he lets this stuff go on he is losing brand value

    • do due dew doodoo

      Would YOU want to be Melnyk’s minority partner ?
      Even with the decline in the Canadian dollar there are probably still people
      interested in buying the team outright

      • esk

        yeah? lol of course ppl or corporations would be interested in investing..problem is nothing is for sale. You think canadian tire or bell wouldnt jump at the opportunity ? senators value is only going to go up..you’d be a dumbass not to invest cause you didnt like Melnyk

  • thepez

    I think that we have all heard the negativity, however I think we need to let things play out. The Sens will need to get up to the floor of the cap, so there is now way they can lose players like Ryan, EK65, etc… and replace them with cheaper players. If we are to believe the NHL, the floor is only going to go up.
    A question I have is has there been any rumblings about the casino that Melnyk wants to build? know that he was turned down, but it’s not like Melnyk to let things slide like that.

    • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

      To reach the floor we will probably over pay fourth liners and play them on our third line bumping our third to second and then sign Taro Tsujimoto to play all three spots on our fourth line

  • FistsofNeil25

    If Bobby doesn’t want to re-sign we could probably get quite the bidding war going for his services. It could be interesting to pin Pittsburgh and Philadelphia against one another. A lot of teams would be interested.

    • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

      Or even better… Get a bidding Warren owning the Sens

  • Pasky

    Man if people thought the budget would be a problem this off-season, I’m scared for next years from looking at the list of contracts we need to re-up.

    UFAs: Ryan, MacArthur, Methot, Anderson, Condra
    RFAs: Zibanejad, Pageau, Stone, Borowiecki

    That’s not counting anybody we get in a trade or the prospect pool. Basically everyone asides from Anderson are almost guaranteed to get some sort of raise, even if it’s a small one. I know Pageau, Stone and Borowiecki still have to prove themselves but if they do they won’t re-sign for 600k.

    • Sandy

      Ryan will be re-signed this offseason or traded.
      MacArthur I think will stay. Same as Methot and Andy..

  • A-Train

    Have The Senators not always been dodgy financially? It was always thus. “We need a tax break.” “We’re bankrupt.” “We’re in the red until round 2 of the playoffs.”

    In the past we had a winning team and an ownership that could still borrow money at a favourable rate. Well, the team is in transition and Euge is tapped out. I’m guessing every dollar he doesn’t make back on the season is costing him a lot. The TV deals are something…but probably not enough to offset the bigger picture.

    Not sure how this works out for him unless he spins out another big win in pharma and can refinance the debt on the team.

    What’s my point? I don’t know exactly. Just remember the franchise has struggled to balance the books almost from the beginning. We’ve seen some great teams and players over the years. This probably isn’t as bad as it all seems….

    • Lorien

      You’re missing the part where he bought the team for what, 90 million, and then immediately “refinanced” it to borrow out something like 220 million. The financial woes of the team are his own doing.

      • A-Train

        Sure. And that’s not the only bad move he’s made. His well-documented bad bet with Biovail being another. But there were woes before Melnyk and there most likely will be after if history is any guide.

    • Sandy

      The first owner, Brydon had too much debt. He bought the team on basically credit, then the dollar sank.
      Melnyk was a billionaire when he bought the team, but he no longer has that money.
      A costly divorce, a bad company in Trimel and he got out of Biovail which was probably his weathliest investment. Had he kept his stock it would be worth more today. Valeant (formerly Biovail) is worth about $118. per share.
      I’m beginning to question how good a businessman he really is.

      • Hax

        We’re due for a really solid owner next time right? Right? Please?

        • peetypuck

          It’s said that we always get what we deserve. LOL

  • Andrews theory

    Nothing new here on the Melnyk front really. I’ve been barking about this for over a year and several others have as well.

    I think they’ll press Ryan hard and they’ll sell him down the river the same way they did Karlsson.

    As for Karlsson potentially wanting out, too bad mon ami you signed the contract and we aren’t letting you go EVER.

    if Melnyk sold the team, sure, most of it would go towards his debts but he’d still be wealthier than any person on this board. 0 sympathy from this guy !

    Owning a pro sports franchise is for the wealthy elite. If you lose that status you have to accept your circumstances like the rest of the general population.

    Suck it up butter cup, cash out / regroup and go buy a bowling alley!

    • SensChirp

      I enjoyed this…

      “suck it up butter cup, cash out / regroup and go buy a bowling alley”

    • peetypuck

      Melnyk’s greed is his downfall. As Chairman of Biovail he started paying himself $50 million+ a year. I believe that’s why the shareholders voted to fire him. Then, in his anger (and thinking the company couldn’t run without him-ego) he sold off his shares when they were super low. The company is doing better than ever without him and the shares are doing quite well, I believe. Now, he thinks he can do the same thing with the Senators, suck as much profit out of them for himself. Why would anyone want to be a minority partner with him?

      • zippy

        Where did you hear all this?

        • Zelle

          His pay would be public record. Why they fired him is admittedly peetypuck’s assumption, but it wouldn’t be off base as 50mil/year is absolutely unnecessary (by comparison the CEO of Costco gets paid 500,000$ a year). The last point was speculation but it makes sense, why else would he sell so low and so quickly?

          • peetypuck

            Biovail now goes by the name Valeant Pharmaceuticals. There the largest Canadian pharmaceutical now, so I’ve read. They just made a $5.7 billion offer to buy out another brand not very long ago.

          • Zelle

            Oh I’ve been seeing quite a few SA pieces pop up about that company. I don’t understand the sector so I stay out of pharmaceutical and health care industries for investment purposes and haven’t read much about them. Definitely see the name around though.

          • peetypuck

            Yeah, I don’t know much about the health industries either. I just know that Biovail changed it’s name to Valeant. Melnyk must be pissed that he sold out for so low. hahaha

          • zippy

            So now Bettman is probably pissed that he won’t invest more in the team and make more for the league.

          • peetypuck

            Maybe Bettman will pull an Adam Silver (NBA) and force Melnyk to sell the team.
            Oh Yeaaaaaaaaaah !!!

          • zippy

            give him an ultimatum. Play with the rest of us or you’re out.

            Bettman knows we are still his bread and butter. Until the US really kicks in. Which may be never.

          • peetypuck

            Canadian Tire and TSN (Bell Telemedia) are the Sens biggest sponsors. I wonder if either of them would have any interest in buying the team. CTire has $hundreds of millions to invest. They’re always on the lookout to find a new company to invest all their money in.

          • Pasky

            Bell already has shared ownership with MLSE so you can count them out

          • peetypuck

            Yeah, I know but it wouldn’t surprise me if Bell decided to sell their share of MLSE. They hate Roger’s now that they got sole national broadcasting rights. If they studied the Ottawa market and found it had plenty of growth potential they might just think about buying the Sens.

          • Pasky

            That would be a bad investment in my mind. Selling shares of the only Billion dollar NHL Team for a team “allegedly” bleeding money or at the very best making a small profit would obviously scare off some investors, even if they don’t quite see eye to eye right now.

          • peetypuck

            It all depends on the return (%) for your investment (dollars).

          • Pasky

            True but realistically how long would it take to reach that number? Just to use the latest example as per Forbes numbers, Toronto’s operating income was 48.7% while Ottawa was at 6.8%. So Ottawa’s income is 14% of Toronto’s based on these numbers. As a BEST case scenario, I would round the number to 20%. Since Rogers and Bell presumably split the ownership, and they bought 79.53% of the shares, then that means that Bell right now is receiving roughly 40% of all of Toronto’s income.

            Meaning that Bell would sell it’s shares in a guaranteed money maker in the hockey world to buy a team that, if lucky, can make them HALF of the profits they were making as part owner of the Leafs.

            If they get back their half of the money they put in, then they would receive 660M in selling their shares, as long as nothing has changed. Since the Sens are valued at 380M, then you can assume that Eugene would more than likely sell the team at maybe 400M. So Bell would essentially have 260M in profits by the end of it.

            So if Toronto’s income right now is 48.7M, then Bell’s current 40% gives them 19.5M, but since they now only get half of that then they would lose 9.75M a year as a best case scenario.

            Of course there’s alot more in the big picture like Capital Tickets and also the fact that Forbes doesn’t see the whole picture. But based on these numbers I would think that Toronto’s numbers would be higher and the Sens number’s lower so yea I think it would be a bad investment for them.

          • Sandy

            Look at the tickets prices in Toronto compared to Ottawa.

            With their huge corporate ticket base they can charge a small fortune for tickets with no complaints.
            Ottawa is basically the walk-up fan, not very many corporate seat holders.
            That alone probably makes a big difference,

          • peetypuck

            That was excellent work you did.
            The Leafs have been around for nearly a century.
            The Sens have had a bumpy road since their beginning. Once they get a (real) stable owner that runs the team properly they should start converting the many Ottawa and area fans that don’t cheer for them. The CTCentre will eventually become sold out like the other Canadian teams.
            Financially, I roughly and conservatively found that the Sens should make a $25 million profit next year. That’s depending on gate receipts remaining the same. If Melnyk has the team running on a skeleton staff it might even be higher. Anyway that’s my (very) rough estimate.

        • peetypuck

          The Biovail stuff was all public news in the papers. As for the Sens it seems obvious that he’s trying to do the same thing. A few weeks ago I had a comment about his finances. By my figuring (depending on ticket sales staying the same) the team should make a $25 million profit this coming year. That’s discounting the CAD$ at 92 cents US$. It looks like his ticket sales are going to take a big drop though.

          • Hax

            See this is where I get a bit confused. Wouldn’t he make MORE profit if he spent a little more to ice a better team? Or is he just nuts and thinks the way to maximize profit is to run at the cap floor all the time? I’m not saying spend to the cap but the CBA is designed so teams can maximize profit while putting the best product on the ice – they shouldn’t be mutually exclusive.

            If he was just broke and stupid I could understand – but he doesn’t appear to be either (debatable).

          • Zelle

            There is a way of thinking in business right now that is truly alarming. Basically a model of spending the least amount of money possible while rising prices for the customer. It would seem he is taking this approach.

          • FBP

            Is he ‘Blue Oceaning’ the Sens? Hadn’t thought about it that way. Surprised he hasn’t starting holding up-charge meet a player events and crap.

          • Zelle

            I had to look up that reference and I’ll be honest in saying I hadn’t heard about it before. My father refers to it as the MBA model where you hire all your friends to upper management positions (fellow Harvard MBAs), gut a company (layoffs, skeleton staff), make your product the cheapest way possible (shipping production overseas usually) and pay yourself the big bucks. What follows is a nice spike in company revenue followed by brand erosion and deteriorating company value.

            Melnyk hires his friends into the organization (Cameron). Reports are coming out that the Senators organization has little staff working (skeleton staff). The organization aims to spend at the cap floor (cheapest product). Although I can’t seem to find a relative price increase from last season to this coming season, you can argue that since he seems to be cutting corners to save money but keeping ticket / food / item prices the same that the customer ends up paying more for what is being offered.

          • peetypuck

            I think that he thinks that he’s just so much smarter than everyone else. He thinks he’s pulling the wool over (us Sens fans) our eyes with his comments about the team’s austerity measures.
            That’s the best that I can come up with.

          • runningbear1974

            I think he tried that… I think he signed Kovalev, and Gonchar, but that didn’t increase his revenue… (And no one seemed grateful for his efforts, so why even bother)…

          • Hax

            Maybe I guess – maybe he thinks those were better signings than they were. I always thought Kovalev was simply to try and recover from the Heatley fiasco. Gonchar was a good add but I suppose didn’t tip the scales in terms of selling more tickets.

          • runningbear1974

            Both those guys cost lots of money… And the return wasn’t necessarily worth it… Either way, I don’t think he noticed a correlation with him spending more money, and the team doing better, and him therefore making more money… I think all he saw was, he spent more money, team did about the same, he lost more money…

          • spezzerman

            He needs to realize there isnt a magic bullet. You need a combination of drafting, developing and then spending to fill in the holes where you miss in your drafting and developing. He is not clear at all on how he will go. He tells everyone who signs a player that they are idiots but he also says he will spend when the time is right.

            The Senators are bang on in not signing any UFA’s recently while they wait and see how our guys develop. But they arent exactly giving us much hope that they will. They certainly couldn’t convince Spezza…and that is worrisome.

          • runningbear1974

            Well, I personally was hoping not spending was a ruse to get rid of Spezza… I find Spezza is ridiculously hard to coach for… He does what he does…
            This whole year people hated Maclean and wanted to get rid of him… And the majority wanted to keep Spezza…
            A part that bothers me is that no one is even trying to understand where Melnyk is coming from… Everyone just says he’s greedy and untrustworthy… So, everything he does supports that perspective…
            If you look at last couple of years… The decisions weren’t easy… Letting Gonchar go, seemed reasonable at the time… Alfie asked for 7 million… Let me repeat that… 7 million… AND, apparently he also asked for the team to spend extra money on UFAs… So, again that must have been a tough situation on Melnyk… If Alfie came to him and said, I’m willing to take 3 million a year if you spend some on UFAs… That might have changed everything… But, that’s not what happened… The Alfie thing was the first indication that everything was falling apart… (being dramatic)…
            So, as it stands… With the way that Alfie, and Spezza have behaved in the last couple of years, they haven’t made it easy for Melnyk, it makes sense to me that he would have to continually revise a strategy…
            But, like I said in other posts… He went for Ryan, MacArthur… Tried to get Clarkson… So, we’re making moves… Before Melnyk, we never ever ever got UFAs…

          • Pasky

            I disagree with you on the Alfie points. He asked for 7 at the start because that’s what you do in negotiations. Then the Sens offered him 3.5M and told him that’s as high as we can go if you want us to land Ryan. I can guarantee you that Alfie would have signed a contract with the Sens for 5.5M just like he did with Detroit, but had he done that the team would not have pulled the trigger on the Ryan deal because of Melnyk’s internal cap, and part of what Alfie was looking for was at least a commitment to try and win which he didn’t get. That’s why the team went out and signed MacArthur for that same 3.5M deal then got Ryan in the trade.

            I’m sorry but as much as Melnyk can do whatever he wants because he owns the team, there is no defending him in a sense that he’s doing this for the best interest of the team. The facts are pretty obvious now that his decisions are solely based from a financial stand point and we as fans have a right to be pissed off.

          • runningbear1974

            I don’t think Melny is doing things for the best interest of the team… I think he’s doing things for the best interest in himself… Just like Alfie… If Alfie was looking at the best interest of the team, he would have asked for less money… So, I guess I’m claiming that Alfie is just as selfish and greedy as Melnyk…

          • Pasky

            Melnyk is greedy, Alfie is proud. He got insulted and told Melnyk to shove it as far as I can see it. Alfie did everything in the Sens interest his entire career, do you think he magically changed his tune during this contract negotiation?

          • peetypuck

            Alfie has made $62 million as a Senator. I consider that being well compensated no matter what angle that you look at it from.

          • Hax

            I love how people have a level of income above everything else means nothing. So if he had only made $50M as a Senator then would he have been okay expecting more for this season? $40M? Where’s the line?

            Just because these guys make millions to play a game doesn’t mean they’re entitled to fair market value for their services. And in Alfie’s case, if he felt the $1M year on his last Sens contract was a “gift” then he has every right to feel he should have been overpaid a bit in any offer for this past season.

            Though it still hasn’t been confirmed if that year was cap circumvention or simply part of the overall contract.

          • runningbear1974

            That’s fine… But, if Alfie has the right to make as much of a profit as possible, then why doesn’t Melnyk also have this right?

          • Hax

            He does. I just happen to think that Melnyk would profit more if he spent more to put a better product on the ice. Not to the cap necessarily but more than the floor or just above it.

            Of course, I’m not one who 100% thinks Melnyk is just milking the team with no care about winning. I may feel differently on July 2nd though.

          • peetypuck

            I’m thinking about how we heard that negotiations went. At almost 41 years of age Alfie was offered $3.5 million. I don’t think I’ve ever heard of a 40+ year old player making that much. And, it was an opening offer but supposedly Alfie just decided to walk. I never checked but wasn’t Alfie’s last contract front end loaded?

          • Hax

            Capgeek is your friend.

            Nobody knows the real story of course, but he rumors were that Alfie was thinking of the last year of his old contract as a “gift” of sorts. Playing for $1M. Apparently the org didn’t see it that way or maybe just Melnyk didn’t see it that. Drunken emails flew and Alfie walked.

            My only point is that Alfie had/has every right to set a price for his services. If the team doesn’t like that price then fine. If another team meets that price then all the better for the player and all the worse the org looks that refused to pay it. Or, sometimes, the org that does pay it ends up looking foolish for overpaying.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Alfie took less money on pretty much every contract he signed in Ottawa. He even left money on the table so they could once go after Hasek.

            That Alfredsson guy was a selfish prick.

          • Hax

            Yeah. Wow. If Alfie is guilty of anything it’s getting fed up with always being the one to compromise. And long after any normal person would have said “F you”.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Nah man he should have just taken that 3.5M we were offering him so we can add Ryan. His legacy will always be tainted for always putting himself first….*rolls eyes*

          • runningbear1974

            His legacy will always be tainted… You can’t change that…He didn’t have to, he did what he wanted…

          • runningbear1974

            Alfie falls in the category of a guy that feels that we should be grateful to him for everything he has done for us… As opposed to being grateful to us for everything we have done for him… I want him off the team… In the end, he proved his real leadership… He made over 60 million dollars… He’s filthy rich… AND, he wants us to show him some love with lots more money… Money, money, money… He got lots and lots of love, but that wasn’t good enough for him… You guys are absolutely right (sarcasm)… Alfie was ENTITLED to 7 million… and Melnyk is a scrooge for not giving it to him…

          • Aaron 2.0

            Well, he’s entitled to get whatever he can make. Suggesting that a player should never ever take into account the amount of money just sounds a little silly to me. He has a family. I’m sure everything he does is first for them (not the fans or even himself). My guess is that Ottawa probably could have signed Alfredsson for a fair price (much lower than 7 million). Others have pointed out what he has done over his career to help out the team, particularly when the team had financial difficulties. If was just about money with Alfredsson, his playing carrer in Ottawa would have been much, much shorter.

          • runningbear1974

            Why is it okay for Alfie to make as much as he can and it ‘s not okay for Melnyk to make as much as he can… Both are trying to get as much money as possible out of Ottawa…

          • Hax

            I’m not sure if you’re just trying to get people going or simply just exaggerating to show your point. Either way, the truth is likely in the middle of both sides you illustrate here. I think this scenario is entirely likely (though I have no insider info):

            2009 – Alfie agrees to what is essentially a 3-year contract for $18.5M but has an extra year added at $1M to reduce the cap hit. With him turning 40 in that $1M year neither side really expects him to play that year. Both sides essentially see Alfie as being worth over $6M per year here but the $1M is strictly cap management (almost circumvention).

            Summer 2012 – In trying to decide if he is going to play another year, Alfie talks to Murray who indicates that if he ends up playing TWO more years the team will come up with a one-year extension that balances out the year at $1M.

            Summer 2013 – After playing the one year at $1M (several million below his “value”), Alfie is planning to play at least one more year. He is expecting the team to offer something over his value to make up for the $1M year – which the team either promised or at least hinted at back in 2012. Melnyk either reneges here or Murray overstepped his bounds somewhat in 2012 when he hinted/promised he could do this. Murray offers “fair value” to Alfie (or less) and on top of that Alfie doesn’t feel the team is committed to spending elsewhere to win. So he bolts for Detroit where he’ll get more money (with bonuses) and the team is willing to spend to win.

            Again, none of that is based in fact – purely my speculation based on rumors and comments along the way.

          • Sandy

            I can’t remember if I read this on another site or heard it on the radio, but maybe it’s his lenders that won’t let him spend more than that as he can’t afford to go into debt any further.

          • Hax

            I suppose that’s possible. But I would hope that his lenders would allow him to make a business case to show that investing in the team would pay off.

          • peetypuck

            I’ve read that rumour too. I have no idea if it’s true or not.

          • Aaron 2.0

            Lol. This is what I don’t get either! At the end of the day, the on-ice product is really the most important piece of the business. Like any business, it requires re-investment to keep running successfully. I also could understand not being a cap team in Ottawa (it is a smaller market compared to the big guys). But, running a floor team in a Canadian market seems like a sure way to lose money over the long-run. His money problems have to be really bad now, or none of this makes any sense to me.

      • Andrews theory

        He was forced to step down by law…

        On September 28, 2010, Valeant was purchased by Biovail. The new company retained the Valeant name and kept J. Michael Pearson as CEO, but was incorporated in Canada and temporarily kept Biovail’s headquarters.[12] In May 2011, former Biovail Corporation Chairman and CEO Eugene Melnyk was banned from senior roles at public companies in Canada for five years and penalized to pay $565,000 by the Ontario Securities Commission. In the year before the merger with Valeant, Melnyk had settled with the United States Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC), agreeing to pay a civil penalty of $150,000 US having previously paid $1 million U.S. to settle other claims with the SEC.[13]

        • FistsofNeil25

          Euge sounds like a trustworthy guy

          • Andrews theory

            Better get one of the those chains for your wallet

          • Zelle

            He is ridiculously shady. I wanted to post what I found of him but thought maybe Chirp would frown on that in his comment board.

          • FistsofNeil25

            I wonder what the ratio is of fans that still believe in him vs the ones that don’t. Maybe 1/100 Sens fans still believe in Eugene? Maybe?

          • Senatollah

            Its not believe in Eugene, just hope it cant get much worse

          • Sandy

            But it can.

          • peetypuck

            Don’t we know that? 2003!

          • runningbear1974

            What’s there to believe in? He’s not Jesus… He’s just some rich guy… I believe he’s a rich guy doing what he wants… I believe that… Unfortunately at the moment what he wants, isn’t the same as what the fans want…

          • FistsofNeil25

            He’s not jesus? What have I been believing in since he took over the team then?! Damnit.

          • runningbear1974

            That’s why I ask… What are people hoping to achieve by spending their time complaining about Melnyk? If you want something… Then assertively go for it… Complaining, whining about something you have no control doesn’t help anything…
            We have options… Get Melnyk to do what we want, get rid of Melnyk for someone that will do what we want (no guarantee there, maybe new guy will suck too), or accept and manage with how things are now…
            But, ideally we should be assertive about it…

          • FistsofNeil25

            Excuse us for voicing or frustration amongst each other. If you don’t want to hear peoples complaints then you should probably stay off of Sens blogs, twitter, and not listen to any sports-talk radio in Ottawa. There’s nothing else we can do at the moment. A lot of people will protest by choosing not to spend money on the team this upcoming season.

            What are we supposed to do to be assertive? Go picket down in front of the CTC? Hold a rally at parliament hill? There’s nothing we can do while Eugene is down in the Barbados sipping his Pina Coladas and working on his tan.

          • Pasky

            Sounds like a road trip to Barbados to me. Maybe if we get enough fans to go see the same travel agent he can include the pitch forks and torches for free :)

          • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

            Just be complacent with mediocrity… How many days in a row do we have to go over This???

          • FistsofNeil25

            It doesn’t matter. He’s just a rich guy doing what he wants. No one should care what the fans want.

          • runningbear1974

            The fans at the moment are asking for more money… Personally, i don’t care about the money, it’s the players that i care about..
            I want the team from 2 years ago… I was ok with that not being a salary cap team… I hated last year’s team…

          • FistsofNeil25

            and if the money isn’t there to keep the players you like around then what? What if Ryan doesn’t sign? Then what will you think?

            I’m sure you would be singing a drastically different tune.

          • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

            Then we wait for zibby and stone to leave…. Come on man

          • peetypuck

            We might have to resort to extortion. We kidnap Bobby’s girlfriend until he signs the contract.
            PS…I’m only joking in case any law enforcements are reading this.

          • runningbear1974

            How to be assertive about this? That’s a good question… I think to be assertive you need to talk with Melnyk and express your concerns… At the moment, the only concern I hear is that you want him to spend more money on the team… He probably will say no, he probably has his reasons for not spending more, and you asking won’t have an affect…
            The other strategy, passive-aggressive, i didn’t get what i want, so i’m not going to give you what you want… In this scenario, everyone loses…
            Keep complaining if you want… That’s your choice… But, there wasn’t anything to complain about until Alfie… And, honestly, the fact that Alfie asked for 7 million for us to prove our loyalty to him, made me feel sick inside… I would NOT have given him 7 million… He’s not worth it…

          • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

            You are seriously delusional

          • FistsofNeil25

            Any idea how I can get a one on one chat with Eugene to express my concerns?

          • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

            Hahaha simple… Buy a ticket to Barbados

          • Uncle JOe

            Finally a good comment.

          • Andrews theory

            Alfie signed a discounted contract last time for the good of the team with an understanding that he wouldn’t play his last year. For the record, that’s technically against the rules and is considered circumvention.

            Alfie asked for 7 million in the basis of making him whole and due to the fact that despite Alfredsson taking less money, it wasn’t spent elsewhere.

            7 million wasn’t a hard fast number it was a negotiation and he clearly could have been had for less if Melnyk wasn’t being a dick.

          • runningbear1974

            You are sympathetic to Alfie… One could look at the same evidence and think he was being a dick… Whatever… I’ll never feel the same towards him again… Blame Melnyk if you want… I blame people for the behaviour they do… Alfie is responsible for the choices he makes… In the end, he was more loyal to his Swedish friends than he was to the Ottawa fans… I’ll never buy his jersey now…

          • Andrews theory

            Not entirely clear on what your suggesting.

            I checked my bank account just in case and I cannot offer him enough to convince him to sell the team.

            If fans can run players out of town repeatedly, we can sure as shit run him out of town over time.

          • Sandy

            His budget cost this team Alfie and now Spezza.

            That’s a lot to complain about.
            He is ruining this team because he doesn’t have the proper finances to run an NHL team.
            Most owners (single ownership that is) have it as a play thing or a hobby. Melnyk needs it to keep living.

          • peetypuck

            It must just burn him inside every day thinking how much money he would have if he hadn’t sold his Biovail stock at rock bottom prices.

          • runningbear1974

            I would not have paid Alfie 7 million… So, not sure what that means, but budget or no budget 7 million is too much… That has nothing to do about budget…
            And Spezza… It is my opinion that we can spend that money somewhere else for something better…
            So far i don’t see the “ruining” the team…Alfie was weird scenario, and Spezza… That’s not ruining the team… If we lose Ryan because unwilling to pay, or Karlsson, then that’s ruining the team…

          • Jakester

            Budget didn’t run Spezza out of town, he ran himself out of town from a lack of effort. MaCLean doesn’t want that on his team. Be patient we will have a good team next year! TSN is counting on the Sens to be kick-ass.

          • runningbear1974

            I’m not sure that the fans have ran anybody out of town… It might be possible who knows… Who did we run out of town? Kovalev?

          • SensChirp

            Looks like somebody is starting to come around.

          • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

            Is he Buddha? Elohim? Mohamed?

          • Sandy

            I don’t think he’s that ‘rich’ any more.
            That bullshit about retiring from horse racing, is just that.. Bullshit.
            He’s selling because he needs cash.

          • peetypuck

            The Good News
            Melnyk became a millionaire after he bought an NHL franchise.
            The Bad News
            Before that he was a billionaire.
            That’s so old…I know, I know.

          • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

            Made me laugh

          • peetypuck

            Me too. Now I feel guilty about it.

      • Sandy

        As mentioned below, Biovail (now knows as Valeant) had a closing share price yesterday of $118. per share.
        When you own stock you should buy low and sell high. Selling low was really stupid.

        • peetypuck

          Do you know what price that he sold his Biovail stocks at? I can’t remember but I think it was way less than 1/4 of the current price.

          • Sandy

            Sometime in March 2010.
            In June 2010, when the merger between Biovail & Valeant was announced, Biovail’s share price was around $17.

          • peetypuck

            Oooh, that’s gotta hurt. I actually feel sorry for him.

    • Sandy

      Awesome..

  • Hax

    Some of those trades are interesting and some are downright hilarious (though possibly on purpose).

  • Rafi Bomb

    “Wayne Scanlan ‏@HockeyScanner 1h
    More
    Sens GM Bryan Murray to meet with media Thursday morning. This is his pre-draft availability. Asst GMs Pete Dorion, Randy Lee also there.”

    At least we will finally get some news on the status of things as well as the upcoming draft.

    • Sandy

      I don’t know why Murray is so focused on getting a 2014 draft pick in a weak draft.

      • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

        I don’t think I’ve seen anywhere where he says he is… It seems to be all fan driven

        • Hax

          Bingo – haven’t heard anything from Murray or Dorion even hinting that they’re expecting to pick in the first round. I’m sure they’re preparing to just in case, but it’s the fans that seem to assume we’re going to get a first rounder before the draft no matter what.

        • peetypuck

          I’m the guilty party. (wears a sheepish grin).

      • ProfessorPower

        I think he will want to flip it (in a package or alone) for another roster player. This is why he want’s to trade Spezza before the draft so he has more time to assess that option.

        • Hax

          But who says he wants to trade Spezza before the draft? Answer: Nobody close to Murray.

          • Jakester

            If he wants a first rounder it means he wants to trade him before the draft don’t you think????????

          • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

            Who says he wants a first rounder this year

  • AutoTurris

    Kypreos “the name I hear is if Stl & Van were going to put anything together for Kesler is TJ Oshie” So Kesler will fetch Oshie potentially but Oshie-Spezza is unheard of?

    • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

      Hmmmmm very interesting

    • esk

      isnt kesler signed at 5 million for a few more years though?

      • Hax

        Yup but any Spezza trade to StL would include Spezza agreeing to an extension that StL could live with. I sincerely hope Oshie is in play.

        • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

          If oshie is in play that will drastically alter who is available from Dal, and.. Or may open up extra pieces

        • Samuel Benzaquen

          I think if Oshie was in play the sens would have taken a straight up spezza for Oshie and if he isn’t, spezza will be traded with others as well and I kind of hope that that doesn’t happen. Unless it is a low pick I think we’ll all feel bad after whatever goes with spezza succeeds and I don’t want that happening.

      • AutoTurris

        Well it’s all in the head of the GM that matters; is a longer, more binding contract more appealing, or is a sort of pseudo-rental one year trial run and then figuring out if you want to re-sign after more appealing?

    • Sandy

      Look at the source. When did Kypreos ever have anything positive to say about anything Sens.
      Just think we have 12 yrs of that from him and Glenn Healey.

      • Andrews theory

        Actually going into last season he was very pro Sens and thought they could compete for top spot in the east.

    • FistsofNeil25

      I don’t see where it says that Kesler could fetch Oshie. I’m pretty sure that’s just what Vancouver’s asking price is for Kesler.

      • Hax

        Even if that’s all it is it can only help drive the market. I’d be more worried if Vancouver was willing to let Kesler go for scraps.

      • Andrews theory

        Ya and St Louis choked on their coffee

  • A-Train

    I have this horrible feeling Nashville is put together a lights-out offer for Spezza, one that we will learn about later and curse Spezza because of it.

    • SensChirp

      Worried about this too. They definitely have interest. But Spezza can wait it out if he really doesn’t want to go there and has his heart set on St Louis or Anaheim.

      • FistsofNeil25

        It’s unfortunate that Murray will probably break before Spezza.

        • Sandy

          IF Murray would have kept his mouth shut about Spezza not wanting to take all the blame for losing, then maybe he could have come back and played if the asking price wasn’t met.

          • Doc

            That scenario would have never happened anyway.

    • Hax

      Shades of Heatley and the rumored Edmonton offer?

    • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

      Bingo

      • Samuel Benzaquen

        I assume you mean “bingo” like “spot- on”, or “bulls eye” and not Bingo like the Binghamton Senators.

    • sprucesens

      yup, its forsberg, josi 1st for spezza wiercioch 2nd and hemsky’s rights. My source is my brain. lol. I believe that was my guess up top, before finding out the NTC. Now is the selling time for murray, before the draft.

  • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

    What is with the trend here of people copy and pasting their same post and posting it six times

    • A-Train

      Symptom of busy times. People don’t want their bon mots buried under all the peach yogurt talk.

  • Uncle JOe

    Wow.. You guys obviously read Yost blogs letter for letter eh? So who are we cheering for once the Sens leave town? I’m thinking the Bruins. I already have a Bruins jersey.. but they pissed me off on so many occasions. Sure was a good run eh boys?

  • Uncle JOe

    Oh and I hope none of you are financial advisors.. yikes!

  • AutoTurris

    So all those lads down in Bingo that have been playing well, how much longer until they can be slotted in?

  • NickofTime

    If Spezza is being traded, it would be good to get a big centre back & Bergland is 6’4″, decent defensively with some offensive potential. He’s not going to put up the mubers Spezza has put up but maybe with some decent wingers the line as a whole can do well. I like a Michalek – Bergland – Stone line. Zibanejad would have to find a couple of scoring wingers maybe Puempel & Grant.

    • Sandy

      Not with the severely injured shoulder. I’m sure the Sens won’t go the route of getting injured players back like they did for Heatley.

      • NickofTime

        Players have surgery all the time & they heal, of all the choices so far I would still take Berglund.

        • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

          Major shoulder surgery… I’ll pass

        • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

          We should resign regin too much. We could have the cripple line

          No knees michalek – shot shoulder berglund – no shoulder regin

          We could have bets within the games of who gets hurt first, misses the most time etc

          I like this idea more and more

  • Mitchell

    i saw chris phillips eating. i didn’t think anything of it until i realized it was bruce garrionch (sp?). and yes don’t worry he was sitting down “pointing” out the next thing he was gonna eat.

    • jimmyjohnson

      Like Babe Ruth, only a little fatter.

      • Mitchell

        you know it! his the reason i hate ntc.

    • runningbear1974

      that’s funny :)

  • Marcel Marcotte

    Darren Dreger said on SportsCentre that it could be a 1 for 1 deal. I thought Bryan Murray wanted a 1st round pick this year.

    • Sandy

      Dreger is probably HOPING it is a one for one. Can’t be better than his Leafs.
      I’m sure Kadri would return a top 6 forward a prospect and a pick.
      IF it is a one for one, it had better be Schwartz or Oshie coming the other way and not the injured Berglund.

      • aegiszx

        Kadri may be a little punk, but hes a skilled one at that. As much as I hate to say it, he’s going to be a consistent 30 g scorer some day or sooner if the Leafs decide to manage him properly…

        • Sandy

          He’s unproven at this point as you say. But it’s about how he is developed by Carlyle and staff.

          • aegiszx

            Agreed. I remember having high hopes for Luke Schenn but man did he ever get mismanaged in Toronto.

      • FistsofNeil25

        Sandy not everyone is out to get the Sens. What he said is that Murray is interested in a multifaceted trade for Spezza, but they would be open to a one for one if the return was a good, young top six forward.

        It would be in TSN’s best interest for the Sens to be as good a hockey team as possible at this point. Now that they own our broadcast rights, the more viewers they have, the more money they make.

        • Sandy

          My bad… misunderstood the original comment.
          IF Murray would be happy with a one for one, then it should be a good top 6 player not named the injured Berglund.
          Could it be Oshie? Could it be Schwartz?

          • FistsofNeil25

            It doesn’t necessarily have to be a St Louis player. Dreger wasn’t mentioning any names or trade destinations. He was just talking about returns that the Sens would find acceptable.

            He said the Sens are looking to a package of a player, pick, prospect which we already know, but he also said we would be open to a one for one trade involving a proven young top six forward coming back our way.

            So if we’re using St Louis as an example, Ottawa would find something around Berglund+Jaskin+1st for Spezza for Schwartz straight up to be acceptable. Don’t put any stock into those names though. I’m just using it them as an example.

          • AutoTurris

            I can see Oshie before Schwartz, but then again Oshie is a moneymaker in the States. Spezza is what STL is looking for, hands down. They need an offensive powerhouse more than a great 2-way player which would be found in Kesler. I was hoping for Spezza- Oshie all along. Chirp, can I revise my prediction?

    • Samuel Benzaquen

      It could still be a one for one trade if we are trading for a high pick. Personally, I wouldn’t be unhappy with a growing prospect. I would gladly take Devante smith pelly or Ekblad or one of the top five straight for spezza. You realize spezza has only one more year on his contract. He isn’t worth so much. Kesler, possibly stasny, plus a couple others are also on the market so Spezza isn’t exactly the only centreman on the market.

      edit: ooooh. The berglund situation…. Right.

      • Sandy

        If they want an offensive #1 centre who is really good on faceoffs, then it’s Spezza.
        Kesler, Thornton et al are going East.. Spezza is going west.

    • jimmyjohnson

      Spezza for Shattenkirk

      • Mat

        This comment should have 250 up votes.

    • Andrews theory

      How about Spezza for Thornton

      • FistsofNeil25

        We need a longer term move than that!

      • Mat

        This comment should have 250 down votes.

    • Dirtysweetness

      If that’s the case, Wayne Simmons please.

      • ProfessorPower

        I would do Spezza for Wayne Simmonds in a heart beat.

    • A-Train

      I am getting closer to winning that contest. Dreger’s with me.

  • Sensturion

    Spezza seems to think he’s going to St. Louis or Anaheim. Greatest thing ever (provided we get good pieces back) would be to see him go to a random team.

    • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

      Hardly greatest ever… Eugene selling the team would take that cake.

  • jimmyjohnson

    The “No Trade” vote from whoever is awesome. It’s like betting 1 dollar on the price is right.

    lololol

    • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

      Hahaha so true

    • Samuel Benzaquen

      I applaud your analogy.

    • Sensturion

      How…. how could you side with Tookie!?

  • BigDaddy

    I am all fired up after reading that Kesler talks involve Oshie and Spezza talks involve Berglund. Lets break it down,

    GP’s over last three seasons: Spezza 155 Kesler 171
    Total points over that time: Spezza 155 Kesler 105
    Age: Spezza 31 in June, Kesler 30 in August

    I think a fair non bias analysis would say this is a wash and they are at the very least equal. They both also have plenty of playoff experience and have been in a cup final. You have to think Spezza has learned a ton from this years captaincy and would be a solid edition to any locker room. I think people have also added Spezza’s recent seasons have been surrounded by hilarious wingers. So at the end of the day people are justifying this huge gap in value over 1 YEAR of contract………Get Oooooooooooout.

  • luckan20

    I have a feeling a three way deal might go through. Spezza also believes that he will be either in St. Louis or Anaheim. There is no way BM is going to move Spezza for Berglund. If he does, then we better get Rattie and 1st pick.
    Kesler has only 6 tradable teams. Whether St. Louis is his in his list?
    Spezza is a top line center in most teams, while Kesler is a 2nd line player and play similar type of hockey to Backes.

    • Marcel Marcotte

      I do not think the Blues are on Ryan Kesler’s list of 6 teams.

    • Mitchell

      i always feel like a three way is the best deal, doesn’t allows go through. some get cold feet and can’t decide if it’s the right time or the right team. ;)

    • Marcel Marcotte

      Why would the Canucks want to trade Kesler to another team in their division? I do not Trevor Linden making a deal like that.

    • Sandy

      Pitts, Philly, Chicago — I believe were 3 of the teams that Kesler wanted.. but not absolutely sure.. I definitely remember Philly was one of them.

  • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

    SensChirp ‏@SensChirp 21m
    Dreger confirms #Sens willing to let teams talk to Spezza about extension. Also says OTT would consider 1 for 1 deal for a young top six fwd

    EVANDER KANE!!!!! Screw his NMC

    • ProfessorPower

      ROR….damn…NMC got me again.

      • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

        Nichuskin!

        • ProfessorPower

          Would be awesome…seriously Kane would be great.
          Macarthur-Turris-Ryan
          Kane-Zibanejad-Stone

          yee yee

          • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

            If we got Kane I would lose my mind! When we were going after Nash, I was calling for us to go after Ryan primarily and a secondary target Kane.

          • ProfessorPower

            That’s why I want the 10ov from the Ducks, put that in a package for Kane if the rumor of his availability is true.

          • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

            Its been rumored for a while, I would be shocked if there wasn’t truth to it.

          • ProfessorPower

            Him and Byfuglien

          • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

            Would love both of them

          • ProfessorPower

            I don’t think we will get both, but I definitely see BM going after one of them depending on the pieces we get back in the Spezza deal. i.e if we get Etem go after Buff, if we get Shattenkirk go after Kane.

            For defense, I am surprised nobody has suggested trading Hemskys rights for Boyle’s rights.

          • Sandy

            Hemsky wants to go to a contender. That ain’t the NYI.

          • ProfessorPower

            who cares what Hemsky wants

          • AutoTurris

            Too bad Neil and Karl hate the face of Kane

          • ProfessorPower

            I’m sure they’d think its pretty if he scored 30 goals lol

          • Jakester

            They’d learn to love him.

      • Turbo_Prop

        Avalanche aren’t on Spezza’s list, I could see this happening if Colorado really is done with O’Reilly (and the Sens are willing to sign him…)

    • AutoTurris

      And what do the chances of Spezza – Oshie change to, if at all?

      • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

        Would also do that!

        • AutoTurris

          Shattenkirk would be good too but I have been salivating over Oshie since early May. And when I say salivating I literally mean over a picture of the man. I’m fucked up, wanna fight about it?

          • IAmThePaulrus

            I think we can all get behind this post!

          • Jakester

            Not crazy about just shattenkirk

        • WaitingSince92

          Oshie might as well be untouchable for STL…

          • Sandy

            Well they aren’t getting Spezza for a couple of plugs. If they don’t offer up, then he goes somewhere else.

  • AutoTurris

    So this is from an article on hockeybuzz that mentions Spezza; “I will just add this today…Be VERY cautious of “no trade lists” for several reasons. 1. They have expiration dates and can expire. 2. If a team gets a great offer from a team on that list they can be very convincing….” How can an organization convince a player to change the teams listed on a NMC?

    • Doc

      That’s from Eklund.

      ‘nough said.

      • WaitingSince92

        He SAID it (the ‘E’ word)!

        • Doc

          Damn…you’re right.

          I’ll put myself on a timeout. Back in the corner for me…

    • Turbo_Prop

      I think it may have to do with when the list was submitted. I don’t know what the details of Spezza’s situation are, but it seems like the list everyone is going off of may have been submitted a while ago ( a year?). In that case, where he is willing to go may have changed.

  • Sandy

    Does anyone know the timing of the Sens media thingy tomorrow morning?

  • AutoTurris

    These last few days and surely the next week have been an emotional rollercoaster ride. Maybe it’s just my own inner turmoil about the state of the team that boils over into how I perceive the posts, but honestly, some days everyone seems convinced we will get dickshit for Spezza and then other days it seems there is hope for someone like Oshie/Shattenkirk. On top of this I can no longer pleasure my wife, but I have a feeling it is directly correlated.

    • SensChirp

      Melnyk’s company may be able to help with that last part.

      • AutoTurris

        HAHAHAHAHA did not even make that connection!

    • A-Train

      This is comin’ in hot for post of the week. And it’s been quite a week…

      • SensChirp

        Was of “straight to twitter” quality.

    • Jakester

      Send in AutoTurris he’ll take care of her!

    • Richard Gough

      I know what your going through

  • SensChirp

    Bryan Murray expected to address the media tomorrow ahead of the draft. Predict an exact comment he will make. Has to be 5 words or more.

    • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

      We will try to do something that both helps Jason and our team.

      • AutoTurris

        That’s a great one.

    • A-Train

      This week is really going downhill. Have an extremely busy day tomorrow. Oh screw it….

      “Ideally we’d like to get a hard player back.”

    • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

      We have had a few teams call, some seem more serious than others..I am liking the direction things are going.

    • SensChirp

      “Very definitely, we’d like to get something done with Milan.”

    • IAmThePaulrus

      We are looking for someone who can play in this league who can hopefully come here and be a good player for us

      • A-Train

        I have a good feeling about this one. Is that you, Bryan?

      • SensChirp

        Ha. I could hear Murray’s voice while reading that one.

      • Sandy

        Probably the winner right there..

    • Jakester

      We’re trying to accommodate Jason.
      We’re trying to make the best deal for our Hockey team.
      We want guys who play the game hard.

    • Doc

      “I’m sorry fans, my hands are tied.”

    • ProfessorPower

      “derp In skerp der BRIIIAMUUURAAAA!!”

    • Doc

      “I also like peach yoghurt.”

    • Sensturion

      “There are offers on the table but nothing is imminent.”

    • Doc

      “It’s all about cost-per-point.”

    • Doc

      “That Hawaiian shirt really suits you, Bruce. “

    • 010101011111101010101010101010

      “Goodbye – I have been fired”

      • aegiszx

        LOL

    • sprucesens

      “There are a few players we like at the draft, and we might look to move up if a higher pick is made available. I believe we’re going to get a few good players that will give us depth down the road. ” “No, there is no deal yet, but there have been 2 or 3 teams with serious interest. I’m confident we’ll have something done before or at the draft, that fits both our’s and jason’s needs.”

    • aegiszx

      “We like the direction this budget team is going. We feel we have a good solid core in place, a core that is within our budget, and a few young guys who certainly will be given a look.”

  • luckan20

    tomorrow morning briefing is all about pre-draft process. I doubt BM will bank on bigger trade and it is why he is even considering one on one deal for young top 6.
    He is quite adamant about top 6 not top 4. I have a feeling he is trying to get Oshie.

    • AutoTurris

      Let’s pray we can land number 74

    • Tooks

      IF we do land Oshie, BM is my idol, screw Jack Bauer!

  • Sandy

    Bryan Murray’s 5 words tomorrow:
    Nothing new on Spezza trade

  • Andrews theory

    I hope someone asks Murray what he sees as the short term (this year), long term (3 year) plan for the club at this point given what they said it was 3 years ago.

    Murray always makes the most classic faces when he’s cornered or trying to be dodgy.

    • 010101011111101010101010101010

      The upcoming season is going to be Hell.

      Will BM have a job in the NHL 3 years ?

      Will Melnyk own the team in 3 years ?

      • sprucesens

        the answer to BM having a job, is most likely no. he signed a 2 year contract with the assumption that he wants a run at the cup, then retire. A lot has changed since then, but, mostly the budget for the cup run. Not really changed, but rather, stayed the same, as in there is no budget for a cup run.

  • Andrews theory

    “My boss made me do it”

  • Andrews theory

    If Florida is willing to retain some salary, that’d be right up the Sens alley.

    High cap hit moderate actual dollars..

    • Dirtysweetness

      Campbell and Bjugstad? :-)

  • Richard Gough

    If it is a one to one deal I would go with this deal
    Spezza for Sean Couturier

    Keep in mind Couturier was in the running for the 1st over all

    • Jakester

      Not a good trade there, he slipped to below Zibb in the draft. . Couturier and Read would be fair.

      • Richard Gough

        He slept to seven or eight pick
        And you are going to hold that against him ? He is still a very solid centre that needs to grow

        Turris
        Couturier
        Zibb or put him on the wing

      • Tooks

        Yes because he suffered through mono, lol. Otherwise he would have been 1st overall no doubt. He’s been struggling a bit with Philly but thats the role he has to learn to be effective in Philly. Gonna be a good 2C one day.

        • FistsofNeil25

          I don’t think Couturier is struggling at all. He averaged over 19 minutes a night playing as Philly’s shutdown center and still managed 39 points on the season.

          • Tooks

            Well FU then!

    • ProfessorPower

      If we trade with Philly 1for1 I want Wayne Simmonds straight up:

      Macarthur-Turris-Ryan
      Simmonds-Zibanejad-Stone

      • Andrews theory

        Yessir

        • ProfessorPower

          has Philly ever been mentioned once in a Spezza rumor?

      • Doc

        Wishful thinking.

      • Tooks

        You willing to trade Turris for Simmonds? Cuz thats what its gonna take.

        • FistsofNeil25

          Neither team would make that trade Tooks. They have no use for Turris and Simmonds is one of the premier power forwards in the game. He may have emerged as the top powerforward in the game after this season.

          Simmonds is likely untouchable and we need Turris now more than ever lol.

          • Tooks

            I know thats why I said it, guy probably thinks we send Gryba to Philly for Simmonds…Its gonna take one of our young stars to get Simmonds. And even at that, like you said he’s untouchable.

  • runningbear1974
    • Millennium

      “The man who stole baseball from Montreal has a history of whining for more tax dollars for stadiums, yet puts out an inferior product to save money. In Miami, he has eviscerated his lineup to save money and the result has been far too many empty seats ”

      #1 worst owner. Who does that sound like? The parallel is uncanny.

      • runningbear1974

        Eviscerated his lineup… We didn’t re-sign Alfie at 7 million… It’s only Alfie that is gone because of the money… oh oops… And Gonchar… But honestly these guys are both super old and wanting tons of money… We could also accuse Melnyk of being prejudice against old people for getting rid of the 2 of them…
        Looks like i’ll be spending the summer defending Melnyk… Just like i spent the year defending Maclean…
        Lots of people predicted that last year’s team was going to win the East, that is NOT an eviscerated lineup… You guys exaggerate to support your hatred…
        I’m willing to bet $100 we do better next year than this year… That’s $100 dollars that says we’re better off without Spezza, and doesn’t even matter who we trade him for…

        • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

          If I actually believed that you wouldn’t welch on the bet I’d be all over this

          Actually screw it… Define your better and I may still be game

        • Tooks

          Yeah and how close were we to winning the East, LOL. The lack of skill and talented players caught up to this team. The kids overachieved 1 year and people thought thats what we had as a team. Reality set in and it isnt pretty.

  • SensFanInMTL

    Something as simple as trying to find the schedule for the Sens Development Camp later this month is quite difficult. Has any info gotten out? Which days will the rookies be there?

    • Sandy

      All I know is that July 4th is the scrimmage and it is being held this year at the Kanata Rec Centre.

  • Frank

    I wonder if this presser from BM has anything to do with the “unsettling news” rumor from earlier today lol

    • Hax

      No it’s his regular pre-draft availability. As noted by any reasonsible media person that mentions the presser.

      • Frank

        It was a joke. lol means Laugh Out Loud

  • Pasky

    So they’re announcing the 2014 HHOF class on Monday. Since I’m tired of the negativity surrounding this team right I thought it might be fun to throw out who we would choose. Here’s the link to the eligible players and my choices http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/feature/?id=100680

    Peter Forsberg
    Dominik Hasek
    Mike Modano
    Mark Recchi
    Pat Burns

    The 3 other guys that I think can replace one of them are Dave Andreychuk, Rob Blake & Phil Housley. I know that of the players I chose on top Forsberg might be a long shot because of his injuries but I think that he accomplished enough to get in considering Bure got in last year. And I also think those 2 players will finally help open the door to Lindros.

    • sprucesens

      modano and hasek are locks. The rest could be debatable

      • runningbear1974

        Why is Modano a lock? He barely won 1 cup…

        I would have thought for sure Forsberg, Hasek, and Recchi…
        Forsberg 2 cups…

        Hasek 1 cup, but a completely dominant player …
        Recchi 3 cups…

        • iKarly65

          East First All-Star Team (WHL) – 1989
          NHL All-Rookie Team – 1990
          NHL Second All-Star Team – 2000
          NHL All-Star Games – 1993, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2003 (as the Western Conference team captain), 2004, 2007 (as the Special Ambassador), 2009
          Stanley Cup champion – 1999 (Dallas)
          Dallas Stars #9 jersey retired – 2014

          Goals by a player born in the United States (561)
          Points by an American-born player (1374)
          Playoff points by an American-born player, career (145)
          Games played by an American-born forward (1499)

          • peetypuck

            It’s the Hockey Hall of Fame not the American Hall of Fame. Why should his points as an American make any difference except for Americans? That seems like Americans get a special status. Does anybody care who scored the most goals by a Slovakian player?

          • Pasky

            Because if your one of the greatest ever at something then your deserving to be in the Hall of Fame, in his case the greatest American born forward (Leetch is probably the greatest American skater). I’m not saying that’s the only reason why he should get in but he’s had a successful enough career to get in even without the US records.

          • peetypuck

            So, does the greatest Chinese hockey player automatically get into the HHOF? How about the greatest Latvian ? Why do Americans have a special status? As a Canadian I couldn’t care less about his American records. I judge Modano against the best players in the world no matter what country of origin.
            Whatever Modano’s US records are,they are for the American Hockey Hall of Fame, not the HHOF.

          • FistsofNeil25

            None of that matters. His career numbers are the reason why he;s going to be in the HOF some day. He’s 23rd all time in points. If guys like Sundin and Hull are HOFers then Modano is as well.

          • Pasky

            If the highest scoring Chinese player scored 8 points in his career spanning 45 games then obviously not artard, but you can’t ignore the fact that being as great as he was as an American player he became an ambassador to the game, and being an ambassador typically makes you deserving to be in the Hall.

          • iKarly65

            Sorry that his nomination upsets you so much. Were you left off of the ballot in his place?

            The guy has done a lot for the NHL and the USA, and considering hockey is an international sport, it actually is important to recognize the achievements of those who earned it.

        • Pasky

          Modano was an ambassador to American hockey. The highest scoring American of All Time. One of the biggest reasons why the Dallas Stars found success in the desert. If they let Bure in, and give Mats freakin Sundin a first ballot entrance the Modano is more than deserving.

          • peetypuck

            All that means is he deserves to be in the American Hockey Hall of Fame. Why should there be a special status for being an American-born hockey player? The HHOF is to honour the best hockey players around the world not the US. Modano should be judged that way also.

          • Pasky

            Either way he still gets in so I think this is a moot argument

          • peetypuck

            It’s not moot. Why should Americans have special status? He probably deserves to be in the HHOF but not because of his US records.

          • Pasky

            Who said anything about special status? It’s not like he’s getting his own american room in the Hall to himself guarded by Bald Eagles or anything like that. I’m listing reasons why he’s deserving to be in and being an ambassador to the game, which he was for american players, helps in making him deserving. But the main reason why he’s deserving is because of his Stanley Cup & high scoring stats. So since he’d get in with that career as a Canadian, Russian or African it’s a moot point.

          • runningbear1974

            I agree… If you let in Sundin than absolutely Modano deserves in… I liked him as a player… Just wondering why you thought he was a lock… It is funny though that the best American point getter got less points than Recchi….

    • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

      Burns should have made it before he passed.

    • FistsofNeil25

      The HOF just lets everyone in these days. They should have made it a more exclusive club.

      Hasek is a no brainer. He was one of the greatest of all time along with Brodeur and Roy. I don’t know if this is his first year of eligibility or not but the Dominator is a first ballot HOFer all the way.

      Mark Recchi should also be a shoe-in. He never won any individual awards but he has 3 cup rings and he sits at #12 in the all time points list and that’s damn impressive.

      Modano is another guy that never won any individual awards. He won 1 cup but he 23rd all time in points. If Mats Sundin is a first ballot HOFer than Modano should be a lock.

      Out of all the eligible players Pasky, I would say your list includes the 4 most deserving. I’m not sure about Forsberg. Some of those names on the list of eligible players are ridiculous.

      Leclair, Lindros, Naslund, Roberts Tkachuck, and Weight should never be in the Hall of Fame in my opinion.

      • Pasky

        Everyone but Burns is a first ballot actually, that’s the only reason why I might question Forsberg for this year. I think he’s deserving to be in there although I might be biased since he’s my 2nd favorite player ever, but I’m not 100% convinced that they make him a first ballot.

        And I agree with your comments about the HHOF letting everyone in, as well as your list on the bottom except for Lindros. I don’t think he gets in unless it’s a weak year in eligible players but I think he will get in at some point. He was the best player in the NHL during the 90s, and if not for his health I would say that he had the most complete game in NHL history. He can score goals at will, see the ice with great passes & throw the big hits that change the momentum of a game.

        And in a way you can say that he was a pioneer for the dangers of concussions in the NHL, which is a big part of the game today. I know the guys a jackass and burnt every bridge he ever crossed, but considering some of the names they put in the Hall at some point I can see him being elected, but like I say it has to be a weak year.

        • FistsofNeil25

          Good points on Lindros. Forsberg was one of my favorite players as well. Yzerman, Sakic, and Forsberg were the guys I grew up idolizing. It’s possible his injuries may hold him back from making it. He had so much left to accomplish if it wasn’t for all those injuries.

          • Pasky

            Yup, and the worst part is I have his rookie card when he was an Oshawa General but it’s worthless now cause of those injuries lol

  • http://batman-news.com Johnny Skills

    Oshie and Bobby Ryan……two american kids growin’ up, in the heartland….

    • Tooks

      Keep dreaming!

      • AutoTurris

        Maybe that’s what this damned message board needs right now… A few dreamers to keep us all from going batshit crazy. Don’t squash his words Tooks or I’ll squash you

        • Tooks

          Dreamers like the simpletons who thought we were winning the East last year? Thx would rather everyone go batshit crazy than roaming in Fantasy Land. But thats just me.

          I’ll say this, IF BM lands Oshie in the STL deal, its going to cost alot more than Spezza, maybe a piece we dont want to send over. But in the end IF we get Oshie, BM is God!

        • peetypuck

          Yeah, squash him like a bug. LOL

          • Tooks

            You can try but you wont succeed, I’ll crush you like the Mountain vs the Red Viper!

          • peetypuck

            Sorry Tooks, but I just couldn’t resist. hehe

  • Tooks

    Murray 5 words prediction:

    We are still looking at offers…

  • Deadly

    We are close with Jiri Serak.

    • AutoTurris

      Jiri Sekac you mean? Or is this someone different?

      • Deadly

        That’s the guy. Thx.

        • AutoTurris

          That’s good news though, low risk, high reward if we land him

          • Tooks

            Ugh dont we ever learn from these one off’s…Butler, Greening, Condra, Da Costa…

          • FistsofNeil25

            There’s nothing to lose. Worst case scenario he busts like Fabian Brunnstrom but maybe he turns in to a quality NHLer?

            I’d rather us take a shot at him and risk striking out that watch him become a quality player with another team. It’s not like we’re giving anything up for the guy.

          • Tooks

            I know but its like the same old thing, we do this every year, we need a new plan, fucking change the way we do things.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Nothing will change with EM and BM making all the decisions.

  • FistsofNeil25

    I see that retweet from that Boston Globe writer saying the B’s may be taking a look at Spezza. Pierre McGuire mentioned the same thing yesterday morning.

    • Tooks

      Talk about fitting a square peg into a round hole.

      • FistsofNeil25

        I don’t know about that. There are a lot of connections there. If anyone can get Spezza to buy in to playing an all round game it’s the B’s.

        I think teams like Boston, Anaheim and St Louis look at LA and Chicago and realize that the NHL is becoming an arms race and any team looking to contend in the next few years will need to load up.

        • Tooks

          Hard to believe Spezza will change at this point, plus can you imagine the media and fan cvg on Spezza when he struggles or fucks up a play….they will quarter and hang him!!

          I just dont see it as a fit. Especially less if it came out of Pierre’s mouth, lol.

          • FistsofNeil25

            I don’t know man. If Chiarelli thinks Spezza can fit in then he must know something about him that we don’t.

            I do know one thing – If the Bruins want to hoist another guy in the Chara era then they’re going to need to add some offense. Letting go of Seguin was a terrible mistake and now they’re going to be searching high and low for some offense.

          • Hax

            The key with Boston is that they have Bergeron and Krejci to play against the top lines of other teams. Allowing Spezza to play his game – he won’t change his game. Doubt Murray trades him there though but you never know.

          • Tooks

            So Spezza would be 3C, haha no way.

          • Tooks

            Spezza aint the key to winning a Cup for Boston, lol.
            I dont know about Seguin being the same player in the BOS system, in Dallas its high tempo offense, kid has green light to do everything. Thats why I think Spezza will struggle in BOS.

            Plus he’s looking to get away from the the glare, Beantown has WAY more glare than Ottawa.

    • peetypuck

      Spezza for Lucic!

      • EK65

        So intriguing, but the guy spearing people makes me want to hate him. I still like him, because he’s one of a kind in the NHL, but I hate that I like him… if that makes sense haha

        • AutoTurris

          I just straight up hate him

          • Tooks

            Yeah I lost alot of rispekt for Lucic, man he was one of my favs but those incidents, I just cant get passed them.

            Its like fuck…why did you do that Luch!!, why!! You could have just punched them in the face!

        • peetypuck

          How about being known as the Big, Bad Senators?

    • A-Train

      Well, the two teams were talking a lot about Philips at the deadline. Could have been some groundwork laid there.

      • Hax

        Not sure who I’d want there though. Boychuk? Can’t see him as a huge upgrade for us.

        • A-Train

          Yes, I’m pretty lost when it comes to who makes sense in a Spezza trade with Boston. One of their better (best?) prospects is Ryan Spooner (hometown: Kanata).

          • Doc

            I’d take Lucic.

            He’s exactly what we need.

          • A-Train

            Not happening though. And you know what, I have a funny feeling that at 26 he may have played most of his best years already. Watching both him and Marchand in the playoffs this year…I’m not sure, but had a distinct feeling we were seeing the beginning of the end.

          • Doc

            26 is still very young though. I’d also take Marchand in a heart beat, but Chiarelli already said he wasn’t trading him.

    • boom

      I don’t see it, personally, for alot of reasons.

      But, I would ask for Ryan Spooner and Joe Morrow. I think both would be on the Sen’s opening night roster.

  • FistsofNeil25

    Are we going to be able to watch this media availability on the Sens website or will we have to wait until afterwards to hear what they had to say?

    • Doc

      Isn’t TSN1200 streaming it live?

      • FistsofNeil25

        True. But I enjoy watching Bryan’s facial expressions and body language. That guy is hilarious.

        • Doc

          Hehe true enough.

  • Dirk-Diggler

    I like Bryan Murray but we hired the wrong Murray to rebuild this team. I have a lot more confidence in Tim and wish we had the resources that the Sabres had for their rebuild. I think in 3-4 years the Sabres will be a contender and Tim will have his fingerprints all over that!

    • zippy

      If BM had Tim’s budget….

  • Dirtysweetness

    How’s about Campbell and Florida’s first?

    • Doc

      7 million cap hit for the next two seasons.

      No thanks.

      • Dirtysweetness

        It’s plausible no? (Even if Florida retains some salary)

        • Doc

          Sure, but there are better options in my opinion.

          Campbell doesn’t really bring what we really need. And Uncle Euge wouldn’t touch that contract with a ten foot clown pole.

          • Dirtysweetness

            Ottawa guy, left handed puck moving defenseman. Plus a first round pick in a weak draft…

          • Tooks

            Not just a 1st round pick, the 1st OVERALL, thats not weak, lol. We wont get the 1st overall for Spezza alone, would have to add Ceci or Cowen or some other young star.

          • Dirtysweetness

            I’m just basing my point on an interview yesterday on TSN 1200. Someone from ISS Hockey said that this year’s draft will produce good hockey players but nothing we’ve seen from previous drafts. (Monahan, Jones, Seguin, Hall etc…)

        • Tooks

          They would have to retain for us to even think about it. Like atleast 40%. But I doubt we can get their 1st overall, they are getting Ekblad.

  • SensChirp

    Murray coming up in 10-15 minutes. Will have a new post up shortly after.

    • Pasky

      do you know where i can stream the interview?

      • Doc

        TSN1200 should stream it (audio), not sure if it’s available live on TV though.

    • A-Train

      Damn…. can’t make this. I expect full update by 11h00 … including humour and insight.

  • Dirk-Diggler

    Questions for BM…

    1. What’s the firm budget for next year?

    2. What are the teams performance expectations?

    3. What are the teams greatest needs and will they be addressed at the draft or in free agency?

    4. Will the budget ever increase in order to compete with the big market teams?

    5. Who will be the next captain?

    6. How will the organization address having potentially 8 NHL dmen going onto next season?

    7. When will there be positive news surrounding the organization?

    • Hax

      He’d never tell anyone #1. And #5 isn’t up to him.

    • Doc

      I don’t think it’s that type of presser. It’s the pre-draft availability.

      • Dirk-Diggler

        Ya I get that… What would you ask him?

        • Hax

          At a presser or over a beer?

          • Doc

            Oh the things I would ask over a beer…

  • Guest

    Media availability going live now on TSN 1200 in case anyone was wondering when

  • Dirk-Diggler

    So if Spezza is traded to the Bruins what’s the return?

    Spezza (50%) retained for…

    - Eriksson
    - Subban
    - 1st 2014

    • CUP 2014-15

      If he trades Spezz in the division, I would be surprised but anything is possible. If so, Bad Brad the pest better be part of it and I would guess Gryba as part going the other way as the Bruins like his style of play

    • Tooks

      Geezus, who do you think Spezza is? God?

      • Dirk-Diggler

        Eriksson underacheived last year, Subban is an undersized goalie and the 1st is in the mid 20′s…. I figured that was pretty low actually

      • Dirk-Diggler

        Would you expect the rights to Thornton and a 2nd?

  • FistsofNeil25

    Sooooooo does anyone else expect that once this presser is over this morning we probably won’t know much more than we know now?

    • Hax

      Obviously – there won’t be any “news”.

      • FistsofNeil25

        No but there are a few things we would like to know right? Like whether or not he’s interested in acquiring a 1st rounder this year. Confirmation on Spezza’s no-trade list because we’re still missing a couple teams. Stuff like that. I don’t expect him to reveal anything major or to tell us who’s made serious offers on Spezza and what they’re offering.

    • Tooks

      We will know that they plan to pick some players in the draft, oh wait…

  • FistsofNeil25

    Wow no live feed to the presser!

    • AutoTurris

      I know 1200 is going to try and grab BM or Dorion after!

    • Doc

      Yeah, a bit silly.

    • EK65

      It wasn’t even a presser, it was a scrum. Very informal. Maybe Sens TV will post it after if you’re still interested.

  • FistsofNeil25

    Tampa just re-sign Alex Killorn to a 2 year deal – 2.4M in year 1 and 2.7M in year two. Just another contract that makes Greening’s look bad.

    Killorn had 17 goals and 41 points this year.

    • Tooks

      <—– Hey stop talking about me!

  • SensChirp
  • Pat D

    Sens chirp virgin here..

    Ducks- Silfverberg, Sarault, ANA 1st – Spezza, Gryba

    Blues- Berglund, STL 1st – Spezza
    Sabres- Foligno, Hodgson, BUF 1st – Spezza, Greening, Prince, Hemsky’s rights
    Hurricanes- Faulk, Skinner – Spezza, Gryba, Prince
    Lightning- Connoly, Callahan’s rights – Spezza, 3rd
    Blackhawks- Sharp, CHI 1st – Spezza, Greening, Hemsky’s rights

    some of these are far fetched, but you never know.

  • Gavin Ray

    if we’re trading with St. Louis, I want to see us getting rid of greening or a dman with spezza and bringing in either schwartz or tarasenko