Sens Battle Back in St. Louis- Highlights

SensChirp February 5, 2014 250
Sens Battle Back in St. Louis- Highlights

-Great to see Robin Lehner get rewarded with a win last night. Really felt for him after that fourth goal found a way through late in the third. He had been terrific up until that point and if not for his performance in goal, this is a game that would have been out of hand early on. As Ian Mendes pointed out, last night was the first time in franchise history the Senators have given up 50 shots and won the game.

-Last night was just another example of just how amazing Jason Spezza can be when the puck is on his stick in the offensive zone. The passes he made to set up Erik Karlsson and Milan Michalek were plays that only a handful of players in this league can make. His defensive effort on the third St. Louis goal was nowhere near good enough but if you watch Spezza hoping for Selke-worthy defence, you will always be disappointed. With the injuries he has suffered over the past couple seasons, you get the feeling his body will only let him do so much in a given shift. Almost like he’s conserving energy for offensive chances. It can be frustrating at times but when it works like it did three times last night, it’s pretty to watch. Also, he was a +2 last night.

-Even though the Senators were finally on the right end of one, I’m still not a huge fan of the shootout. With that said, you have to really give Paul MacLean credit for playing a “hunch” of sorts and going with Stephane Da Costa third in the shootout. If he doesn’t score to extend last night’s shootout, we are sitting here talking about another hard earned single point.

-Just a masterful performance by the Senators penalty kill unit last night. St. Louis came into the game with the league’s 2nd best power play and the officials gave them every opportunity to practice it last night. The Blues finished the game 0-7 on the power play and at one point, had seven straight power plays. The Methot-Gryba pairing was outstanding.

-Hate to end another round of observations with a complaint about the officiating but what in the hell was going on out there last night?! After every whistle the Blues were getting away with a hack, punch or spear. And then Michalek gets involved in one scrum and it’s called. Moments before that, Alex Steen rams his own head into Ryan’s elbow, and it’s called. I understand that hockey is a fast game and mistakes from the officials are inevitable but last night almost felt personal. Good on the Senators for battling through the adversity.

-I’m pretty comfortable calling last night’s win the biggest of the season for the Ottawa Senators. To go into such a tough building, on a brutal back to back, and come back from down 3-1 to win the game is something this team should be extremely proud. 3 of 4 points in a Penguins/Blues back to back is a terrific result. Next up- a home game against the Buffalo Sabres.

  • Tcharger

    Over under on Lehner actually getting two games in a row?!!?!

    • SensChirp

      I think Anderson has been pretty good lately.

      I also think he’ll start tomorrow.

      I don’t think I’m insane but now you have me wondering….

      • boom

        One definition of insanity “doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting a different result”.

        Seeing as we all come on here every day and bitch and moan about things we have no control over, aren’t we all insane?

        • Tcharger

          Hahaha, I think the post of the day goes to you!

      • PraiseAlfie11

        This talk keeps up, I’m going to have to start calling you the island of sanity :)

      • Zelle

        Anderson has given the Sens two wins and a SO loss against Buffalo. I see no reason not to start him tomorrow.

    • s3nsfan

      I have to disagree at this moment in time he is not significantly better, he has the potential to be better, however Anderson over the last number of games has had terrific numbers and kept this team in a position to win for the most part. Lehner will get his time, he’s only what 21/22. MacLean will use, as he’s stated Anderson as his starter for the rest of this season, hell Ottawa may even trade Anderson in the summer, lord knows some teams will need a goalie come summer time.
      Anderson will get the start against Buffalo with the break coming.

    • spezzerman

      Can you alter your username so we can understand the magnitude of your grudge against Anderson? And you question others sanity?
      You are a petulant child, seriously. Both goalies stole us points against two of the top four teams in the league. We are going to need that from both if we have a hope of making playoffs.

      • Tcharger

        Oh yes…I must have absolutely no idea what I am talking about…seeing as I said during the Nash fiasco that we should be targeting Ryan and not Nash…what happens down the line…we acquire Ryan. At the same time I was saying a great second target would be Kane out of Winnipeg, hmmm look what is floating around the rumor mill now.

        When we had to move a goalie, I said our best option would be to move Anderson and run with a Bishop/Lehner tandem….hmmm looks like that was right too.

        But yup…I know nothing and am insane.

        • boom

          If you need a hug, ask a friend. If you need a BIG hug, ask your ego.

          • LeafsSux

            Don’t feed the troll..

          • SenniesRule

            I’m compelled to join this thread – why is it that clowns on this board like ‘LeafsSux’, always fall back on calling people trolls when they’re presented with arguments they don’t agree with. I’m sure I’ll be called a troll as a result of posting this but I’d hardly call ‘Tcharger’ a troll just because he’s arguing that Lehner’s a better goalie than Anderson. There is an actual argument there from the simple standpoint that Lehner’s stats are better than Anderson’s. I’m not saying I believe one is better than the other – but there (at the very least) is an argument to be made for either.
            LeafsSux – if all you can do is call people trolls when it’s simple opinion being expressed, I advise you to stop posting on this message board.

        • Doc

          Well, now at least we are all on the same page in regards to your sanity.

        • Bazza

          I agree that shopping Anderson at the time would have been interesting and gutsy. I don’t think you could have kept both Bishop and Lehner (they were clearly both legit #1s) and that was Murray’s thinking at the time. And as someone pointed out, as Sens fans we are all clinically insane.

          • sbs138

            Exactly.

        • roch

          Bishop is a good goalie but hasn’t won anything yet great numbers in the season but wait playoff series different thing.ie..[LALIME} and also look at Elliots numbers in St-Louis asn’t won a playoff series and trade market for goalies is not to strong look what los angeles kings got for Bernier.

    • A-Train

      One common definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

      Think if you keep posting about Lehner vs. Anderson at some point the coach and the rest of us will agree with you?

      • Cicero

        One definition of insanity is writing the same definition over and over expecting a different definition.

    • sbs138

      Andy has been playing great lately, except for the Toronto game, so I doubt we see Lehner two games in a row. In fact, with how well Andy played vs Pittsburgh, I doubt Lehner would’ve even played if it wasn’t a back to back.
      Praise Andy!

  • sben

    BTW I don’t think that spezza’s pass to karlsson was all that good. In fact I thought it was pretty risky. It could have resulted in an easy odd man rush especially considering the speed it was passed. I won’t complain that it was a goal just thought it was super-risky. Good game by spezza otherwise. Hope he continues to work on his defense. Still a good player.

    • Tcharger

      Agree completely, it is plays like that that make people lose their minds about him, but when he pulls it off they are things of absolute beauty

    • SensChirp

      “BTW I don’t think that spezza’s pass to karlsson was all that good”

      That’s as far as I made it. Then I scrolled up and just watched the highlights again. Turns out you are incorrect.

      • sben

        Look at it again and watch where his head is. He has no idea where the other players are. It was a no-look and it could have completely been intercepted and taken by another player. Spezza lives for those kinds of plays and when they do work they are great and when they don’t everyone hates him. That is why 9 out of every ten games there are haters saying that spezza sucks and once in a while he does make a good play or two. I don’t know why you put every person that complains about spezza all in one group. You assume that the haters are all prejudiced against him which is wrong.

        • Senatollah

          Actually he had full knowledge of where the other players were, which is exactly why he attempted it. Anyone who can play a team sport at a high level and excel like Spezza knows how a play should develop and where everyone on the ice is and where they should be.

          Just because he plays with players with a much lower hockey IQ (aka Greening, Neil, etc.) those passes that should work when they don’t much of the time its the receiver who didn’t find the space (either go to it or get in it and win).

        • FistsofNeil25

          He had no idea where the other players were? I disagree big time! He decided he was going to Karlsson long before that pass left his stick.

          • sben

            the st. louis players.

          • FistsofNeil25

            I think he knew where they were. Even so, either way it was still an incredibly risky pass. The fact that he pulled it off and put it on a tee for Karlsson made it that much more special.

            Of course if a St Louis player picked it off and went the other way with the puck we would all be frustrated with Spezza, but when he pulls stuff like that off I have no choice but to be in awe.

            I often find myself critical of Spezza’s game but when he puts the team on his back like he did last night then I have no choice but to give him full credit. He deserves his props just as much as he deserves his criticism.

          • sben

            exactly. and the first comment that I wrote that started this whole thing gave him credit for what he did do today.

          • FistsofNeil25

            And I agreed with everything you said except for the part about not knowing where the other players were haha

        • Doc

          Cause you sound like them. The whole point of a ‘no-look’ pass is to deceive the goalie and defenders. If you think he just made that pass out of the blue and hoped for the best than you haven’t been watching hockey for a long time. That’s exactly what he was supposed to do, and it worked beautifully.

          Same goes for when a forward takes a shot without looking directly at the goalie.

          • MB

            “The whole point of a ‘no-look’ pass is to deceive the goalie and defenders”… except they are very rarely fooled. Works a lot less than not and it wasn’t the smartest decision he’s ever made, just happened to work out.

            The 2nd goal he set up to Michalek was perfect though and that’s the type of play that is both beautiful and responsible from the time they broke out of the zone until Michalek buried it in the back of the net. That’s a special play. The no look, behind the back, across the entire width of the ice pass was more luck than anything in the sense the Blues blew coverage and didn’t close the lanes. Highly skilled none the less.

        • SensChirp

          It’s comments like this that make it impossible to listen to most of Spezza’s critics. He makes two of the best passes we’ve seen all season, scores a goal, finishes a +2, and you’re still criticizing him.

          • Doc

            I know right, poor guy has been a punching since he’s 19. No matter what he does people love to crap on the guy. With the help of Lehner, he was the main reason why we were still in the game last night. Period.

          • sben

            If you look above and read the rest of the comment perhaps you’ll see what I said.

          • iKarly65

            yeah you are not giving a professional athlete enough credit because YOU think he made a risky play. You’ve never heard of a “no-look pass”? The player absolutely knows where the other is, whether you think he does or not. Call it an extrasensory perception, but they absolutely know where the player is.

          • sben

            I gave spezza plenty of credit. I don’t know what you think. The original comment that started this whole thing gave him a ton of credit. He doesn’t have “extrasensory perception”. When I say he doesn’t know where the other players are I’m talking about the blues players. He cannot know where they are with a no look pass. Most of the time those passes result in an odd man rush.

          • KJ

            I agree. This is because players of his skill level play with their heads up! And skilled play makers know exactly where their players are on the ice. If a pass doesn’t work, it’s because the receiver is not where he should be, and they do practice this stuff, but in the best ones it’s innate thinking, and god gifted coordination. You can’t teach skill, only strategy. Players of less skill shouldn’t make those types of plays, because the receiver might be in the right spot, but the passer doesn’t execute the pass. I have watched Spezza for a lot of years, and he definitely puts the puck where it should be 95% of the time.

          • TookieIs100PercentRight

            *shrug*
            He’s the captain now. He needs to have more than one good game per five-game sequence. It needs to be a consistent, two-way effort. If he drops the ball against Buffalo or Boston no one will remember that game. The best centres put in a workman’s effort game 1-82, not too high not too low and always careful defensively.

          • Sensnation

            Really? When we were in Pittsburgh all we heard was how cold Crosby’s been and he’s the best in the league.

            No matter who you are there will be lulls in an 82 game schedule, but good to know you live in a fantasy world where it doesn’t happen. Must be fun watching NHL 14 every night.

        • Tcharger

          Thank you for making me only the 2nd craziest person in here today!

        • PraiseAlfie11

          Geez, guy…looked pretty much tape to tape as far as I saw it.

          IMO, if you take objection to that beautiful setup, you are a hater…not just of Spezza, but all other playmakers.

      • MB

        Just because the pass actually got across to Karlsson doesn’t mean it was a smart play or well advised play. It’s highlight of the night material and there’s no question that when he does things like that and they work out you want to see more of it. Problem is teams usually know it’s coming and are right there to pick it off. If there was one Blue where he should have been on that play it was a 3 on 1 the other way and we would be talking about another Spezza gaff.

        That said Spezza had a great game last night and nothing should be taken away from him but for a guy that has a fairly decent sized following you should really educate yourself a little more on the game itself and not be such a fan boy.

    • Doc

      Yeahhhh…..no.

  • Aaron 2.0

    I’m sure you’ve all read it because it’s right off of TSN, but Mendes made the point today that Spezza’s contract was actually drastically front-loaded. I hadn’t realized this myself; maybe I knew that at one time, but it was at least a reminder. He only makes 5 million this year, and 4 million next year, with a cap hit of 7 million. That is a very favorable contract for OTT. Just something to consider as I’m sure we’ll continue to debate about what to make of Spezza post-injury, and what the team should do with him.

    • Sensnation

      Very smart at the time, and it’s paying off for us this year and next year during our budget craze!

  • bluebuyyoo

    Any way you look at it, that was an absolutely thrilling roller-coaster win last night. So many positives overcoming the atrocious display put on by the striped wonders.

    I don’t see the need to pump one goalie over another when they are both stealing points and giving the team a chance to win.

    It was very encouraging to see Spezza step up his game after taking so much heat after the Pitt game.

  • Doc

    The game last night makes me think that I might be bi-polar. I went from complete blind rage to ecstatic in a matter of minutes. A hell of a ride that’s for sure.

  • Alcatraz

    I think, as fans, if we all stop expecting perfection from every player on every shift we would have much more fun.

    Sit back and enjoy the games and you will see that we had a 45+ save performance, first time we have ever won giving up more than 50 shots. (Lehner has played in 5 of 7 games in Sens history where we have given up 50+ shots BTW)

    Sit back and just enjoy what Spezza+Karlsson can do together when on the ice. Sit back and enjoy our penalty kill and how unbelievably far Gryba has come since being paired with methot

    Instead of nitpicking all the what-ifs, and who should be starting etc etc etc etc everything seems a lot better

    • LeafsSux

      Sit back and enjoy a nice big fattie.. See what I did there ;)

    • Cicero

      Thanks. You wrote what I’ve been feeling visiting these boards — but far more eloquently and positively than I ever could!

    • SensChirp

      Post of 2014, right there.

    • FistsofNeil25

      But if we just sat back and enjoyed the games what would we have to talk about around here? Gotta discuss the positives and the negatives. Every fan-base in all of pro sports is the same way.

      • Cicero

        Good point! We can’t NOT be critical. I think the point has more to do with what kind of fan community we create here with our comments. There are a lot of regulars and frequent posters. I’m becoming one of them. It’s a lot like ice-time, except each of us chooses how much time we get and what we bring to the game.

        If I’m going to post a lot and comment, I need to be harder on myself than I am on players (and other fans here) — I need to take responsibility for the ‘mood’ I am contributing to the fan community. I need to think about this each time I step onto the ice.

    • Sensnation

      This is the key to fandom and not becoming like the leafs and habs fans that people have been acting like all year!

  • sben

    “you have to really give Paul MacLean credit for playing a “hunch” of sorts and going with Stephane Da Costa third in the shootout”.
    Pmac didn’t choose the shooters in the shootout and he says so in the postgame interview.

    • SensChirp

      A good point. Usually a team effort between the coaches.

      • Sensnation

        He’s actually not allowed to participate supposedly because of how badly he did at choosing early on.

    • Bazza

      Even though MacLean isn’t sold on da Costa (he has to make the big decisions so I understand his use of him), in a shootout there are few negatives. da Costa has been playing very well in my view and the coaches recognize it. A great idea to use him based on his recent play. BTW I thought it was a fine performance in the shoot out overall. Five Senators beat Halak and they all looked phenomenal, even if two couldn’t beat the iron.

  • RUSH RLZ

    Last night was EPIC. Hands down our best game of the year. Despite the odds and the animosity from the Blues + the dirty POS officials (worse called game I’ve seen in recent memory…) we dug deep, got angry, got energized and inflicted our will on the dirty bastards.

    More importantly we can hope that such a gutsy effort has helped them establish a more intense identity going down the stretch. Learning to win.

    Rivalry makes sports a lot better and I now officially HATE the dirty Blues, what a bunch of bitches!

  • Cicero

    Another great report, Chirp, and I think you hit the mail on the head about Spezza: “With the injuries he has suffered over the past couple seasons, you get the feeling his body will only let him do so much in a given shift.” There are what appear to be big swings in Spezza’s energy and accuracy. He can go from bursts of speed and threading the needle with passes on one shift (or night) and seem to lag on the next. As I’ve noted before, this is the longroad of healing a core injury. It just takes its own recovery path, and there’s not much an athlete can do but play through it. The thing with Spezza is that, because his style has always relied upon high-risk plays, when he is off — the cost can be great.

    I hope last night’s game silences the critics…at least the ones with a memory cell of two in their heads. Oh…and my name is Cicero, and I am a recovered 19-hater.

    • WolfInSheepsClothes

      I guess the trick is to insulate him with a high-energy winger that can do the back checking for him (Zibanejad). Spezza had his best years with a defensive machine in Alfie and a sniper in (c)Heatley. Time to go out and get Spezza a sniper (Vanek? Moulson?). People have been quick to forget that Spezza’s start to the year was coming off of major surgery and having a revolving door of wingers. Consistency will be key moving forward. Zibanejad has to stay on his hip.

      • Tooks

        Yep always said that Spezza/Zib played well together in the short time they had before JS19′s injury.

    • H POTTER

      You people have to understand that no one is criticizing his skill level! He’s elite in what he can do with the puck on his stick. That’s not a discussion. What is the problem is putting him in the ice is becoming a gamble because you don’t know if it’s going to be that shift when he skates his ass off and creates a beautiful play for a scoring chance or if it’s going or be one of those where his play doesn’t work and it creates a turnover and he doesn’t skate back, not because he doesn’t want to but rather because he simply can’t due to his injuries. You can’t rely on him and have to cross your fingers that all his shifts will be of creating chances rather than causing and/or not preventing scoring chances for the opposite team. That’s the issue we are now having with spezz. If there was a scientific equation that would enable us to put him on th wife whenever we know it’s “offensive go-time” then there Wouldn’t be any complaints..but that’s not the case. We have to understand that he can be more of a risk on the ice than an offensive contributor.

      • spartacus

        Great post. That sums up my feelings. One cannot simply look at one pass, one shift or one game but the total body of work. His plus-minus speaks volumes. I say tade him for value while you can.

        • bluebuyyoo

          Spezza is a career +59. Would that not be included in “the total body of work”?

      • Sensnation

        First off, that is not the complaint most are making, and it’s incessant all season.

        Secondly why can’t you just move on from criticizing him for a day?

        Finally, you are expecting a different player then he’s been his entire career and if a decade with the team isn’t enough for you to just accept him, there’s really no reason for anyone who has, to continue listening to all the whining by you and other fans of your view.

      • KJ

        What’s his TOI? I bet it’s high, like 19 min a game or something. What people need to remember, especially with skill guys, is the more they are on the ice trying to make plays the more they will turn it over. Crosby turns it over more then Spezza does. Karlsson turns it over more then Spezza does, but the other guys don’t get the grief like Spezza does. But they are on the ice longer then Spezza. Not one player on the Sens team would ever admit to not wanting a player like Spezza on their team.

  • The Apostle

    When you look at what St Louis have been able to do at home against other eastern teams I think it’s up there with the best wins of this season. Of course it will be wasted if the sens don’t take care of business on Thursday.

  • SenaTHOR

    With the trade deadline looming I think that a Dman will be moved from the system. Assume Corvo is gone, that leaves 8 for next year.
    What do you think?
    Trade Methot
    Trade Gryba
    Trade Cowen
    Trade Wiercioch
    Trade Boro
    Not resign Phillips

    • Tcharger

      By order of value I would put it

      Methot
      Cowen
      Gryba
      Wiercioch
      Boro

      Philips is a totally different can of worms.

      I really have no idea what the plan will be…I have a feeling it will be one of the bottom two on my list, but possibly thrown into a deal with others to get a bigger piece. Who knows, maybe both of the bottom two and Greening, for someone. Can’t imagine that getting us a hell of a lot hto

      • Cicero

        I don’t think the Sens will give up anytime soon the players that other
        teams might make a decent offer for. We’re building the youngest,
        biggest, toughest, and most dangerous blueline corps in the NHL.The jury will be deliberating well into the summer (whenever that might start for us).

        • thepez

          I wouldn’t be surprised if someone like Claesson is traded. There has been a lot of positive talk about him and I wonder if that is just so he can be part of a package for something bigger.

      • Tooks

        Not sure Cowen has much trade value right now. He’s basically done nothing to hlp this club win games. He’s done the opposite actually.
        I would have your list like this, with PW46 and Gryba jumping up with their good play.

        Methot
        Wiercioch
        Gryba
        Cowen
        Boro
        Phillips

        • Sensnation

          Trollcity!

    • thepez

      The only guy I trade is Philips. You go to him ask him if he wants a chance to win a cup and you trade him to Boston (if they want him). The others you keep. You can never have enough good young d-men.

      • sben

        I don’t think you’ll get anything better than a 7th for him if at all.

        • Conor_smythe

          ha!

    • sben

      keep meth and gryba. Don’t resign phillips. keep wiercoch (friends with turris). Trade cowen and get a better partner for karlsson. Keep boro and eventually bring up claesson.

    • FistsofNeil25

      I wouldn’t even consider trading Methot. He’s the most experienced defensemen we have and he’s easily our best pure defender. We need him here. I think the easy answer is not to re-sign Phillips. His best days are long behind him.

      I really don’t mind the group we have been playing the last few games. Assuming this year is a learning year for them and that they will continue to get better, I’m fine going forward with the group of Karlsson, Methot, Ceci, Cowen, Wiercioch and Gryba. There are a ton of question marks around Cowen, Gryba and Wiercioch as far as how much better they can be.

      I think it’s still too early to give up on Cowen but man his game has been a disaster for the majority of the season. He was an absolute nightmare last night. Too many failed clearing attempts. Too many poor passes. He was allowing St Louis players to back him down all night instead of stepping up on them and taking away their time and space. I don’t know what his issue is but he really needs to step it up. I think the coaches need to work with him more individually. He has loads of potential but he’s having a really bad season. Really bad.

      • Tooks

        Glad you also see it, dont get me wrong, its improved a bit since the first 20 games but Cowen is still not living up to his 3Mil price tag and top 4 D-man status. He ends up on the better side of things cuz he plays with guys that control most of the play, but when he has control of it, its usually a turnover or a rushed play that goes nowhere.

        I get he may need time to heal his hip, thats why I wouldnt trade him now but if he aint improved by this time next year, I would try and trade him for picks or prospects.

        • FistsofNeil25

          Yeah I agree. It’s far too soon to give up on the guy. Hopefully next season will be a much stronger one for him. The good thing is the Sens can afford to be patient with him. He has a lot of work to do though.

        • Sensnation

          What games are you watching? Even the physical edge is back and he’s making way less mistakes. If you can’t be satisfied with his play the last few games it just goes to show how sad you are. Troll for life right!

    • Bazza

      I think no matter what Boro gets traded for a middling to low round pick. I really like him and his story, but I don’t think there’s room and he’d be better off elsewhere. Similar to Andre Benoit. Claesson (2nd best +/- in AHL, playing all the tough minutes) is making a strong case for himself; Wideman also building himself a Resume.

      There’s too much potential in Cowen (at least in the team’s opinion), Gryba is showing signs of learning, Methot too steady a presence and none of them by themselves would bring that much. Weircioch could be very good if he got just a little better (positionally and strength) in the defensive zone. No shortage of potential on the back end, even though we currently have a deficit in execution there.

  • FistsofNeil25

    That was without a doubt the biggest win of the year. It was at least the one win by the Sens this year that I am the most proud of. They got pushed around and outplayed by Pittsburgh on Monday night in a high intensity game, and they could have easily packed it in last night after the Blues tried to bully their way to a victory and the refs were clearly calling the game in St Louis’ favor. Instead, they battled hard all night, pushed St louis back and imposed their own will in the third period when the refs finally put their whistles away.

    It was a great offensive performance from Spezza and I thought his line-mate DJ ZBad had a really good game. Lehner was amazing expect for that one goal by Leopold. The penalty killers put in an effort that they should really be proud of. Those guys were definitely the difference in the win.

    Oh ya and what a performance in the shootout! Great goals by Zibanejad, Da Costa and Turris. Even Spezza and Michalek had Halak beat but they couldn’t beat the post! Still hate the shoot out though.

    • Tooks

      Teams like PIT and STL are teams we will have to beat eventually to win the Cup. I like that we are playing them tough and showing that in a few years, we will tunr the tables on them!

  • thepez

    Great character win last night. Hopefully all the haters and you know who you are, start looking at the big picture and stop evaluating this team shift by shift. The oldest d-man last night is Methot at 28, the rest of them are 25 and under and The Lehner is 22.
    As much as I want to see this team win now, you have to look at the big picture that this team is headed in the right direction.

  • aegiszx

    Great game last night. I feel awfully bad for Lehner though. If you were to tell me that it was Lehner, and not Andy, that had been in net 5 times with 50+ shots, I’d tell you you were crazy. Hopefully the next game is better for him.

  • SensChirp

    Just watching the highlights again. Those Blues announcers were seriously fired up after the goal to make it 4-4.

    • Tooks

      Couple of crazy bounces for both teams, I mean Turris’ goal went off JBow, Spezza’ long shot, Halak should of had it and then Leopold on Lehner, you can rest assured he was mad at himself for that! He shut the door after that tho!

      • Alcatraz

        I typically actually defend you on many occassions but its shit like this that you post that gets people going and you wonder why lol

        Come on Tooks say it after me “It was a good win, and we worked hard to get the result we did” and leave it at that lol

    • LeafsSux

      I have to watch/listen to all the visitor’s announcers cause the feed coming through Canada is bad. It looks like im looking through a dirty glass.. So the visitors feed are all in HD and its just a better picture.. I wish there was an HD feed out of Canada but not on Direct TV there isn’t. I turn the CA channel on between periods to catch up on things but other than that I deal with it. BTW I usually have to hit the mute button when we play Buffalo.. lol

  • OverMind

    to me the biggest win of the night is that the sens finally beat the refs.

  • SuperSENS

    SensChirp,
    Don’t you mean 2nd best ‘power play’ not ‘penalty kill’?

    “St. Louis came into the game with the league’s 2nd best penalty kill and the officials gave them every opportunity to practice it last night. The Blues finished the game 0-7 on the power play and at one point, had seven straight power plays.”

    • SensChirp

      Uhh I don’t know where you got that quote from but I certainly didn’t say that. Have a look above and see for yourself….

      Thanks for the correction :)

      • SuperSENS

        LOL! :)

    • Kohlmanator

      It was a late finish, leave him alone :)

      • SuperSENS

        Oh I know it was late. Just thought he might want to fix it :)

  • the dude

    How about Da Costa! He has been playing great and has been an impact in almost every game hes played since his callup.

  • FistsofNeil25

    What do you guys think will happen with Da Costa? He sure has looked pretty good the last few games. I’m just not sure where he fits in. He won’t be a first or second line center on this team and he’s not the prototypical third or fourth line center.

    • Tcharger

      I have a feeling he will be part of a pkg…He seems to have the skills to play in the NHL, so would be a shame to keep him buried due to our depth.

      Even if we can swap him for a 3rd or 4th it may be worth while with our scouts.

    • CUP 2014-15

      Tough call, the future down the middle is Turris, ZBad 1,2. Smith is an outstanding 4 or good 3. Still have JGP and Grant as well as Lazar. Haven’t even talked about last nights offensive star in the Captain. I love the fact he has worked hard at getting stronger on the puck. This is going to be another Bishop type trade, you can just see he will be going and there is no way we get value for what he can be and only what he has done. The market is what it is, same as Bishop, we might not like that deal but how do you think the Oilers and their fans think of it. They should have got off their ass and gave more then TBay.

    • Rick of the Universe

      Centering next year’s third line that will have some scoring punch
      and play solid D ?
      Lazar – SDC – Condra ?

    • Sensnation

      If Zibanejad is with Spezza for good, there will be room for one of Da Costa or Pageau as our 3rd line C, which is the way it should be. Gives the team 3 good scoring lines.

  • CUP 2014-15

    Great win last night, these guys have to be wiped out after this 3 in 4 run. Three stars from last night for the good guys had to be Lehner, Spezz and the PK. Nice win and now the tough trap game for this team. Just went toe to toe with two of the best in the league and come home to play the worst team in the league. No let down, go get those two big points tomorrow boys!

  • Andrews theory

    Huge character building win last night…the difference between winning and losing in the NHL is often psyche.

    Sens got it in their head that they were playing against the blues and the refs and got pissed off. More of that please

    You could see Spezza get pissed last night after another shitty call and much like Alfie, he’s a far better player when he’s a but mad.

    What a roller coaster of a game, it’s all about entertainment and I certainly went through a bunch of different emotions last night. Felt similar to a playoff game

  • Zelle

    Lehner, speaking on shootouts: “I know I can be good at it. I’ve had a few bad ones in the beginning that snowballed and got in my head.”

    I love his confidence and determination. That he knew he wasn’t good at them and practiced to be great. I hope it pays out for him in the long run.

    • Rick of the Universe

      Warrior Words from our very own Ragnar Lothbrok

  • PraiseAlfie11

    To all the “trade Spezza” crowd out there, I have one simple question: what would you expect for him if you were to trade him?

    • LeafsSux

      A ham sandwich.. :)

      • PraiseAlfie11

        Grey Poupon on that sandwich? Some high class swiss cheese too, or give our 2nd rounder for the cheese to be included?

    • Alcatraz

      Im going to assume: “A young player or top pick, so we can hopefully be able to develop someone to be Jason Spezza”

      • PraiseAlfie11

        Haha…my thoughts exactly. How long did it take for Spezza to become Spezza again? His first full season was 10 years ago! It took him 4 years from draft to point a game player in the NHL.

        He may not be the best 1C out there when you look at Crosby and Toews, but he absolutely a 1C on many, many teams, including the sens. When is the last time the sens had two top centers, yet now that we do, people want to jettison one of them…same for the goalie situation.

    • Dirtysweetness

      A photo of PM Stephen Harper’s wife…..she’s hot. (and I’m on drugs)

    • Laurence Babchyuk

      I still think that Spezza has value in the trade market. There’s a few clubs that would pay to get Spezza’s quality as a center. (He is after all a PPG center men )

      • Sensnation

        Of course he does, his value is beyond what any “trade spezza” hater expects. If he was on the block a hell of a lot of teams would lineup.

        • Laurence Babchyuk

          I am one of those Spezza hater, and I’d love if the sens could trade him. But I do know he has great value, just not here with his playing style. Turris and zbad are in front of him when it comes to play a full 200 foot gritty game.

          I would see a team like the bruins, Toronto, St Louis, Rangers , Winnipeg, Edmonton benefit a lot from a player like Spezza.

    • Millennium

      A high 1st rounder in 2015, a stud top 6 winger, a top 4 defenceman.

      Not considering Spezza’s term though. More of a value for value comparison.

      • Tcharger

        All 3? I would guess 2 of those and likely a stud top 6 “prospect”(like less than 130ish games) and same for the D. Probably with a lesser prospect for whatever position we don’t get the stud.

        • Millennium

          Unlikely they could get all three, but its what he’s worth. You never get full value in a trade (or very rarely at least). Thats why ultimately its unlikely he gets moved, unless a really amazing deal comes along. That, and the short term left on his contract means what they would get in return for him is going to be practically a nonstarter.

    • TookieIs100PercentRight

      Say we were trading him to Vancouver. I’d want Kesler, a first round pick and Jannik Hansen.

    • Sensnation

      The Islanders are asking for any combination of a first-round pick, a young player, and a prospect for Vanek and he’s a UFA who likely won’t re-sign wherever he’s going.

      That would have to be the starting point for Spezza who’s signed very cap friendly for another year.

  • TookieIs100PercentRight

    While I agree wtih Chirp on a lot of points, this isn’t the biggest win of the season. Too many turnovers, sloppy plays, bad goals. The best was the Boston win on a Friday a while back. THAT was a great team performance.
    Overall though, big picture, the biggest win will be the one that clinches a playoff spot.
    Nothing matters until that day.

    TOOKS100% OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Alcatraz

      LOL

      He said biggest win, not best win, you said it yourself. Our best win could arguably be the thumping we put on Detroit.

      Biggest in the fact it was against an elite team the night after playing an elite team, against a team with their starter and coming off rest

  • Dirk-Diggler

    I’d like to meet the Blues in the playoffs! Obviously we all know where that would be…

    It would be a dirty and hard series..

    • Sensnation

      Wild card crossover round right ;) Damn I hate these unbalanced conferences!

  • gds

    i think when there are games like the one last night were the refs pretty much control the game, the refs should be talked to by nhl and maybe have them miss a game or 2, the refs answer to nobody and its getting a little old seeing it every other sens game

    • Sensnation

      That would assume the NHL doesn’t want them to ref this way. For the conspiracy theorist in all of us the NHL forced the Gretzky trade to further US business, they made sure Pittsburgh got Crosby to avoid bankruptcy and now they make sure no more canadian small markets win because there’s little US money in it ;)

      • gds

        true, there are some games where it like we ran into the nhls house, tied up there family and stole everything..but at the end of day it just comes down to calling penalty’s that are penalty’s and not these grey area calls, there are 4 guys on the ice, its amazing how stuff doesnt get called and other times the smallest thing is called

        • Sensnation

          I agree. I think the reffing needs to be more consistent no matter what team you cheer for. I allow I have some home team bias, but there’s no denying there’s something wrong with the reffing these days.

          Did PM really piss them off that badly in his first year that they still hold it against him?

      • Sens-fan-in-mtl

        too bad the NHL is not more like the NFL, a ref messes up too many calls, he does not get to ref much longer and certainly not the Superbowl. Although I suspect with all the gambling on the NFL, it kind of makes sense they are more strict with their zebras.

        too bad the NHL could not allow each team to provide a list of refs (up to 3 let’s say) whom it did not want to officiate for their games – might help limit some really bad officiating (hello Mr. Peel) .

        added bonus of the above – if the same name comes up over and over from different teams, then the league can easily ascertain which refs are not perceived as doing their jobs and take corrective action.

        • Sensnation

          I think transparency from the NHL regarding their refs and meetings with the refs would go a long way for fans. You don’t have to fine them, but at least show us you talked to them when it’s that blatant.

          • Senatollah

            “You don’t have to fine them, but at least show us you talked to them when it’s that blatant.”

            As nice as that would be, anything said can be tracked (and counted) which would lead to reporters/bloggers hurting the credibility of the refs

  • MethotToMyMadness

    Wow, well here is another story about my evening. I’m on the couch, watching the game throughout. We go down 3-1 and I’m frustrated with the game, the Ref’s, everything. Enter the 3rd, it didn’t appear things were going our way, the bounces, passes to the opposition. So I get up to use to the bathroom, after holding it way to long, and while sitting on the John looking over the rest of the NHL scores, my phone is going off with update. Low and behold, within the 3 minutes I’m on the crapper, the Sens take a 4-3 lead. Now I’ve heard of the old, “leave the room” to get your team to score trick, but this is ridiculous. So I will take all the credit for that flurry of goals, you can all thank me later.

    I should also add, it was only minutes after I sate back down, the Blues tied it up. Maybe I should have stayed in the sh!tter. ;)

    On a serious note, I thought the Blues heavily outplayed us in the offensive side of the game. We didn’t get many quality chances, but Halak managed to make us look good. Don’t get me wrong, I love when our Goalies make this team look great, but we really need to limit those chances.

    As for the penalties, No reason it should have ended 7 against 1 for PP calls. I’ve completely given up on the Refs at this point. They have turned on the Sens, it’s pretty bad when the commentators spend more time talking about bad officiating then calling the game. Someone must have asked/paid them to put the whistles away. Yes, St. Louis is a low penalized team, but in that game alone there was easily 3 or 4 plays where they could have been called, just as easily as the Sens were.

    • my2sens

      MTM – I have some special brownies for you for tomorrow night’s game… laced with Ex Lax.

      GO SENS GO!!!!!

      • s3nsfan

        Oh it’s Buffalo, give the guy a break, give them to him on Saturday against the B’s lol

    • Sensnation

      The board should buy you one of these for use during all future games!

  • NickofTime

    I’ve shit on Spezza a lot in his career & a lot of it was well deserved but he had a game last night to remember. While I thought that pass to Karlsson & goal was lucky that tic-tac-toe play between Zibanejad, Spezza & finish by Michalek was a beauty & Lehner had a hell of a night. Now pezza keep it up, that is the question?

    But the guy I want to talk about is Chris Neil who IMO single handedly kept the St Louis Blues at bay with his hard hits & refused to let the Sens get pushed around by St Louis. IMO he gave everybody else on the bench the courage to move forward, he knocked Backes, a pretty tough guy on his ass, he let Reeves know if he was going to fight someone it was going to be him & probably saved Smith from taking a beating. He willed his team to keep fighting & everybody else played better because of it but as usual Neil never gets the credit he deserves for the tough job he does game in & game out, it’s why he should have been the captain & the guy this team would follow. I also thought that Lehner saved the game with several really tough saves.

    • Sensnation

      Great credit to Neil, he played a hell of a game and has been a great leader on this team! Deserves every bit of that A on his sweater!

    • Laurence Babchyuk

      Every team needs a character player like Neil. If you ask on that bench who is the real captain of this team the would answer Neil.

  • Zelle

    TSN article by Mendes on why Sens should be keeping Spezza if anyone is interested:
    http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=443058

    “Spezza is also only one point behind Kyle Turris
    on the team scoring list without the luxury of playing with the same
    quality of linemates so far this season. And while everyone can agree
    that Turris is trending upwards, most believe that the opposite is true
    for Spezza.”

    I don’t agree with this because, yes, Turris’ linemates are good, but both of them have been tried with Spezza and didn’t work, so it’s not really a valid argument.

    I’m not a Spezza fan, but I also don’t want him traded because I doubt we’d get a replacement of his quality unless it was someone with the potential and I think the team is good enough to build with who they have right now.

    • Sensnation

      Spezza was successful in his brief stint with MacArthur, but Turris lost some. Ryan hasn’t worked out there, agreed, but if Zibanejad-Michalek can keep clicking with him when he’s not playing give an go with Karlsson, this team will be at it’s best!

      • Zelle

        It was good the first couple of games but then quickly died off. IMO Spezza has been at his best with Zbad or Stone by his side.

        • Sensnation

          Spezza and Stone have always had chemistry, definitely a good pairing. Zbad and Spezza go through spurts, but so did Spezza and Michalek, but the 3 of them together could complement each other perfectly, while Stone is out.

          • Zelle

            For sure, I agree. Anyone who will backcheck will be a good winger for Spezza I believe.

          • bluebuyyoo

            Alfie did it for years. The pairing worked very well.

          • SENSsmile

            Let’s not forget the great work that DaCosta is doing now, as well.

          • Sensnation

            Agreed, I think having Zibanejad on Spezza’s wing allows the coach to use Da Costa more as well.

  • FistsofNeil25

    Kerry Fraser on last night’s officating:

    http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=443080

    • Sicilian

      yah, this was nice to see. there were a lot of angry Sens fans writing to him :)

    • Zelle

      “If the Ottawa management feels, as each of you does, they can request an
      official review of the officiating crew’s performance presented
      throughout this game.”

      Interesting to know that there is something the management can do though. Maybe I’ve been watching too much Orange(itNB) but I’m wondering if there are on ice “repercussions” for going above the referee’s heads and to their boss?

      • Tcharger

        There is….didn’t we do that a few years ago and just got worse officiating for the remainder of the season?

        • Zelle

          Oh is that what happened? I don’t usually pay too much attention to the whole reffing thing cause I find it’s bad across the league.

        • Sens-fan-in-mtl

          It’s awful to think that kind of retaliation by the refs is possible,
          but the raw deal the Sens get on a constant basis would suggest exactly
          that.

          It is at least refreshing that Fraser is picking up on it and highlighting it to the public.

          I would not take further action if I were the Sens, can’t imagine anything good would come out of it.

          • Zelle

            It’s nice to see that he actually calls out some, but he also left a lot out. Like saying high sticks on Sens were justified, they were, but never mentioning that there were many missed high stick calls against the Blues.

            I remember 2010/2012 Canucks v Hawks first round, the Canucks were penalized 7-0 or 7-1 and still managed to win. I thought that spoke volumes. They got called for everything while Hawks got away with murder. Sens certainly aren’t the first team to go through this and will definitely not be the last. For that reason I was very happy to see them being able to pull out a win regardless, because that’s what a team needs to do.

      • Sandy

        He also said….
        “Having watched every second from the opening puck drop to the end of the second period and portions of the third period and OT, I find some evidence that Brian might have already requested a formal review.”
        If Murray does file an official complaint.. then the refs had better not ‘pay’ him back by penalizing unnecessarily the team on the ice.
        After the last 3 games.. I’m really beginning to question the integrity of the NHL officials. Nothing can explain their actions in the Leafs and Blues games.. and a bit in the Pens game.

  • Cicero

    What can change in five years? Everything. I was enjoying researching the origins of our new crop of defencemen (and goalies), so I thought I’d take notes and share them here. So, here’s some fun trivia to map the trails that have led to our current young defence and goaltending corps….

    DEFENCE:
    Chris Phillips is the only remaining D from the 2008-09 season. He was the #1 overall pick in the 1996 entry draft. As for the rest….

    Erik Karlsson was not only the 15th pick in the 2008 NHL draft, but the 7th (!) defenceman picked. Alfie scouted his compatriot, and the Sens traded a couple of picks to Nashville to move up in Rd 1 to get a better shot at Karlsson.

    Patrick Wiercoch was a 2008 draft pick (Rd. 2 / #42). Interesting back story to that pick. It came from Chicago as part of the 2006 trade that sent Tom Preissing, Josh Hennessy, Michal Barinka and this pick to Ottawa in exchange for Martin Havlat and Bryan Smolinski. Strange to see a connection between Wiercioch and Smolinksi!

    Marc Methot arrived courtesy of trading Nick Foligno. Foligno was the Sens’ 1st pick in the 2006 draft — Eric Gryba was the team’s 2nd pick.

    Eric Gryba was from a pick (2006; Rd 3 / 68th) we obtained from Boston. (I can’t determine how we acquired that pick).

    Jared Cowen was drafted in the 1st round, 9th overall, in the 2009 draft. Of all or defencemen, on roster and on the way up, Cowen is the highest drafted (other than Phillips).

    Last, but definitely not least, is Cody Ceci. Remarkable is that Ceci was drafted as recently as 2012 (1st rd / 15th), and already he has what appears to be a full-time top-4 role.

    GOALTENDING:
    Five years ago, our backstoppers were Alex Auld and Brian Elliott, after Darth Gerber stumbled from the gate and was put on waivers.

    Craig Anderson arrived in a trade with Colorado (for Elliott).

    Robin Lehner was drafted in 2009 (Rd 2 / 46th overall), with a pick obtained from Colombus as part of a deal for Antoine Vermette. The other piece of the deal was the Sens getting G Pascal Leclaire. In 2012, Leclaire retired, never able to recover fully from multiple hip surgeries.

    • Sensnation

      It’s possible the Gryba pick was for allowing them to sign Chiarelli as their GM, but so far I can’t find confirmation of this either.

      • Millennium

        This is what it was from.

      • Cicero

        Ahhhh…one of those ‘conditional draft picks’! Thanks.

        • SenaTHOR

          No a “Tampering” pick

      • CUP 2014-15

        Funny how things work out considering he gets drafted by Ottawa and then signs a letter of intent to play at ……Boston U. LOL

  • MethotToMyMadness

    Chirp, I have to ask. Why do I sometimes get a red banner message that says:

    You must authenticate the user or provide author_name and author_email

    When I try to post a comment, or comment on someones post? I am logged in and I still see my message indicator at the bottom that says, Post as MethotToMyMadness. Has anyone else reported this?

    The only way that I can get around this is by clicking on My Profile, seeing that I’m logged in and going back and re-posting.

    • Sens-fan-in-mtl

      I have the same issue…

    • runningbear1974

      me too…

    • Sensnation

      I get this sometimes too and just refresh the site. I’d imagine it has to do with being idle temporarily losing the connection to our Disqus account.

      • Zelle

        This worked for me earlier this morning when it happened.

  • IcySurfas

    I have had a sick feeling in my stomach since that non-call on the Kadri hit on Ceci … and those emotions got to a boiling point last night with the non-calls and calls alike.

    I just dont understand how someone who is supposed to be an unbiased professional in the game can make such blatent one-sided decisions in a hockey game like that !(specifially the 5 on 3 call). I understand how ridiculous that statement sounds (fairness in sports and all that..) but last night was so over the top …. something has to give here.

    It was great to see the Sens explode in the 3rd, and hang on in OT (yet another PK) and then eventually win in the shootout. I really hope that before the Sens left the arena last night, that they left a card under the door to the Refs change room .that said “To our biggest fans … F U , signed (whole team)”.

    • Sandy

      Didn’t the NBA have a cheater ref?
      Is it a stretch that maybe it’s happening in the other sports as well? Betting is big, big business… How hard would it be to ‘influence’ officials..

      • Engin Sezerman

        I wouldn’t be shocked if there is any kind of match-fixing in the NHL. There has been evidence of match-fixing in about 6 different soccer leagues, cricket, and a one NBA ref was in charge of betting over the past 10 years. As long as there is betting on pro-sports teams. There will be match-fixing.

  • Roar…

    Good write up by Fraser. Straight to the point and accurate. Officials blew that game last night. We got the two points though so we’re movin’ on. http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=443080

    • sprucesens

      excellent article. good to see multiple sens fans writing in to voice their frustration. And fraser agreed that it was laughably one sided, and that potential grudges came into it in the call against michalek. That’s not acceptable, and I hope murray makes a point of submitting the review, as fraser suggested. It doesn’t get us more powerplays, but maybe it might suggest that the ref’s be a little more certain and unbiased when assessing calls. Especially if they ever end up losing pay through fines or something.

    • Sandy

      I wouldn’t call it… ‘blew the game’. I question something else…
      2 of the last 3 games have had substandard officiating by experienced NHL referees. What would you call it? Coincidence? I wouldn’t.

  • Tcharger

    No Stamkos for the olympics!

    • Sensnation

      Devastating but understandable. Who’s the replacement?

      • Tcharger

        Don’t think it is announced yet. I would have guessed Couture, but with his injury I doubt it. So going to wager on Giroux.

        • Sensnation

          All good picks!

          How about James Neal? 42pts in 35 games, already has some connection with Crosby. Likely only missed the first team because he was injured early this season.

          So many choices once again.

          • Tcharger

            There is probably a relative easy 10 guys that you could come up with totally viable reasons to send.

          • Sensnation

            Spezza! ;) He had a 3 point game just in time. I kid, I kid!

            He is 3rd overall in points per game among all active Canadian NHL players though.

          • Tcharger

            As a Sens fan I would hope he doesn’t go…use the rest!

          • Sensnation

            Agreed, especially with his back. Just would love it for the guy!

          • Laurence Babchyuk

            The opposition is hoping spezza is in lol

          • Tcharger

            To add to them..Gino Reda

            Gino Reda ‏@GinoRedaTSN 8m

            In response to your questions- Leading candidates seem to be Giroux, St. Louis, Staal and Neal

            So throw Staal into the mix too

          • Sensnation

            Which Staal? Eric? I thought we were set at C, can he play the wing? He’s like the Nash pick, a team Canada mainstay that shouldn’t surprise … I guess.

          • Sandy

            I would take Staal out.. Go with St. Louis, Neal and Giroux in that order..

      • FistsofNeil25

        It better be St Louis

  • sben

    Either giroux or st. louis. Probably about equal skill wise. St. Louis with more experience and has been to the olympics several times before.

  • esk

    fuck, please not neal. give it to st.louis

    • Sensnation

      I’m all for St. Louis, but please elaborate why not Neal?

      • sben

        or staal

      • esk

        hate lol dont want an all pens line…

        • Sensnation

          haha, k, I get it. I have players like that too.

  • MethotToMyMadness

    St. Louis has deserved the right play, he and Bishop put Tampa on their back and are the big reason they are sitting in a sweet position. Giroux on the other hand, has really stepped up from his slow start. Many had him slated as a guy on the team, there is more than a good chance he makes it too. I guess it’s a roll of the dice.

    Neal, while a good scorer, isn’t as dependable as either of them, he’s always injured. He’d probably get hurt on the way to the Olympics. Couture has been great in SJ, and I love the fact he’s getting consideration, but I don’t think he’s back to 100% from his injury is he? He’s one of those guys that will be on the team 4 years from now.

  • Tcharger

    Totally off topic, but just did a kinda crazy deal in a fantasy league

    I gave Couture for Zibby, Lazar and Gallagher

    Hopefully I am not being a total homer!

    • Sensnation

      Talk about balls, nice move! Worth the chance as Zibby/Gallagher should equal the value of Couture, Lazar should be the cherry on top!

    • MethotToMyMadness

      Fantasy as in points league? The outcome will depend on what stats you count. Couture is pretty good all around. The other side of the coin, who do you need to drop in order to make room for 2 more roster players? It is a gamble though.

      • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

        Pretty standard points.

        I’m in hopefully the last year of a full rebuild (with a bunch of bonus 1sts in 2015)

        Dropped jokinen, stajan and Stanton(in van).

        So the two c aren’t big pieces for when I expect to be competing

  • CUP 2014-15

    Here’s a sick, stat. Who is the top scoring Canadian winger since the Olympic team roster was released? The little puke that needs to get knocked out wearing the blue and white and I can just hear the dummies in the big smoke thinking he belongs on the team. Sorry can’t even type his name.

    • sben

      huh?

      • CUP 2014-15

        In regards to the convo below about who will replace Stammer on the roster. NK has produced the most points of any Canadian winger including Marty and Nash. Sorry man, can’t type the little scumbags name

        • Sensnation

          Kadri? He’s a C. I would expect Staal to be selected first if they want another C.

          • CUP 2014-15

            True but he has played wing and just going by stats provided by Simmer on TSN 1200

          • Sensnation

            That would be crazy! I’d lose it as well. Too many others with longer bodies of work to choose from imo. Neal is my pick, but I think St. Louis and Giroux deserve it as well.

          • CUP 2014-15

            I’ll take any of those but I hope they go with Marty.

          • FBP

            Kadri won’t be on the team. That’s legit redonk.

        • FistsofNeil25

          If Kadri was named to the team I would officially cheer on Sweden to win gold. Kadri can go to hell.

          • CUP 2014-15

            For me, he has already hit Tucker territory for dislike.

          • sben

            kadri is not going to the olympics. End of discussion. It won’t happen regardless of points between the announcement and now. Neal, giroux, or St. Louis would be picked before him. If Kadri was picked it would be an insult to St. Louis.

          • CUP 2014-15

            LOL, Read it again, Leaf fans, get it

  • lbernier

    According to Kerry Frasier on TSN refferees might be held accountable for last nights game and will be be reviewed by their peers from the committee.

    • SENSsmile

      That would be wonderful!

    • sben

      They can do that? Is this something new? That is great. If it was a game where the leafs were favored I’m sure it would pass though.

    • Sandy

      His point of not penalizing both teams in the first scrum.. set the tone for the game. They let the Blues get away with everything.. then all of a sudden penalize Michalek to put the Sens down 2 players on the same type of incidents the Blues were doing all game long.
      Is it really just incompetence? Maybe check their bank accounts.

    • Sandy

      I don’t recall reading that in the article. Did he say that on TV?

  • MethotToMyMadness

    Team Canada currently has 8 players, in the top 20 in goal scoring in the NHL this season. Corey Perry (3rd), Patrick Sharp (5th), Sidney Crosby (6th), Ryan Getzlaf (7th), Chris Kunitz (9th), John Tavares (14th), Jamie Benn (19th) and Patrick Marleau (20th).

    If St. Louis (who is 11th on the list) is added, we’d have 9. Personally, I don’t think Canada will have problems with players attempting to put the puck in the net, or scoring for that matter. I don’t see that being an issue at all. And I’m a big supporter of St. Louis being on this team. I think he deserves it and from a sentimental side, he won’t get another chance. That is unless the magic man continues playing NHL Hockey into 2018. Who knows, he is an iron man.

    That being said, if Canada really wanted to shake things up, I say add Lucic. This team has a big mix of everything, but they don’t have the power forward type of player like Lucic. The bonus with him is he can do any job on the ice including setting a tone. The biggest reason I suggest this, is based on the US team they will be up against. They have a few players on that team, who are somewhat like Lucic, in Backes, Brown and Kesler. These players play with a similar edge that Lucic does. I just think it would be great to see him in a Canada Jersey laying out the opposition. As much as a don’t like the Bruins, I do enjoy watching him play.

    • Sensnation

      If Lucic was ever going to make the team this would be the year, but the international game is called so differently that he could become a liability more than an asset.

      • MethotToMyMadness

        There could be liability, but the last Olympics were very close in the officiating from an NHL standpoint. They have to follow International rules of course, but checking, laying people out being very hard on the fore-check are not against international rules. Again, just a thought.

  • BiasFighter

    Not sure if this has been posted already, but the only correct hunch the Walrus played in the shootout was handing control of it to Dave Cameron. Cameron has been in charge of the shootout lineup since about late november.

  • SuperSENS

    In case anyone missed the news, starting next season, Saturday night games will air on CBC, City, Sportsnet, Sportsnet ONE, Sportsnet 360, FX Canada, TVA, TVA Sports 1, and TVA Sports 2; Sunday night games will air on City, Sportsnet, and Sportsnet ONE; Wednedsay night games will air on Sportsnet and Sportsnet ONE.

  • Hax

    Was a roller-coaster ride watching that game. Got furious over the punk tactics and the fact that they were winning despite them. Loved some of the snide remarks from Potvin about the Blues. Literally broke stuff over the officiating. Started planning DaCosta trades every time he did something good (can we get a 4th rounder???) Cheered like it was playoffs when we went ahead 4-3. Laughed every time Spezza did something good since I knew it would feed the debate over him (I’m pro-Spezza as you guys know – though guardedly so).

  • Hax

    Haven’t read the whole debate yet (and probably won’t) but wanted to float this out there.

    Disclaimer: I’m not sold on Spezza on captain. He’s no Alfie for sure (but who is). Though I don’t have a better answer.

    I’d love to hear someone’s pitch on a different guy they could have made captain this past summer. And with real reasons, not just “Spezza sucks”.

    Preemptively: Phillips is a “bo-bo” scratch so in my mind he’s a bad choice (though probably the best non-19 option). Neil is a character guy and I love him but not level-headed enough to be captain IMO. Karlsson is too young still and doesn’t need any added pressure given he was still working on his own game. Turris is too young and too new to the team IMO (though after Spezza?) Methot’s name also got thrown in there but I’d call him too new as well.

    I think your captain has to be someone the guys will follow of course. But in addition should be a guy who sets the example, plays every night, can talk to the media and the refs, is a “face of the team” type guy that fans associate with a history of good things. Nobody on our current team has all that IMO. Not yet anyway.

    • Michenator

      I want a captain to be a 200 foot player and to be consistent and clutch. I don’t know if we have any players of this sort yet. I would say, Kyle Turris or Clarke MacArthur maybe but I’m not sure how they are in terms of leadership in the locker room. I love the thought of somebody like Karlsson but it does seem maybe too soon. Such a tough question really.

      I do feel like the leadership on this team is changing and that certain players are going to start really showing themselves more through the rest of this year and next. I’d love to see a player like Turris get the C because of his consistent effort and level of play. I also kind of look like him, so my dream of being an NHL captain can finally come true…

    • bluebuyyoo

      Up until Alfie left, Spezza was always seen as the slam-dunk for captain. Can’t remember how many times I read right here how the Sens would be Spezza’s team after Alfie retired. I’ll bet that no one will admit to it either. Spezza was the best choice. Consistent scorer, age & experience. It’s pretty easy to trash the choice now with perfect 20/20 hindsight. Give the guy a chance. He hasn’t even had a full season. He would not be the first NHL captain that took time to adjust to the job.

      That said, I agree that the team does not have “that guy” right now. Look at Calgary. Who would have thought that Giordano would be captain after Iggy. The Leafs took ages to replace Mats with Phaneuf. Putting a new face on the franchise is not easy. If I had to pick someone other than Spezza, I guess it would be EK. He is a popular player that you hope will be the cornerstone of the team for a long time to come.

    • runningbear1974

      Turris…
      Tries hard every play… Doesn’t back down… Takes hits graciously, doesn’t retaliate… Very mature for young guy…
      Also, i don’t know how to prove this, but i’ll put it out there anyway… Spezza is a likeable guy, he giggles, i think overall everyone likes him… However, this is the part i can’t prove… Turris is Loveable… I think everyone that plays with him, love him… Sounds weird, but i actually believe this…
      He’s been working out the summers, showing a big commitment to the team…
      He’s our man…

      • runningbear1974

        Also… I believe Alfie became Alfie by working hard on the ice, and working hard in the gym in the offseason…
        And so far Turris has been doing that, every single game, and every single summer…

        • Zelle

          Turris all the way! Toews and Crosby were young captains.

      • Aaron 2.0

        I think he’s a great candidate. But, a lot of the growth has come this season. Through the lens of this past summer, it would probably be pretty hard to select him at that point. Today, he’s definitely someone to consider.

        • Laurence Babchyuk

          Turris is my favorite center no doubt. He plays hard every game and he has that (clutch factor) that a captain needs to have. But, he’s to young and immature still. He’s a great candidate for the A

          • runningbear1974

            What grounds do you have to say he’s immature? If anything, he looks very mature… I’ve never seen him slash someone out of anger… Never seen him take an inappropriate penalty… In my mind, there’s absolutely nothing immature about him, and furthermore he might be the most mature on the team…

    • Andrews theory

      I think Karlsson could have done it but I also am happy that they didn’t give it to him as its a lot to deal with at a young age. With that said, he should have had an A this season.

      Lots of examples around the league of young captains though…

      I’d be shocked if Karlsson isn’t the next captain of this squad.

    • Aaron 2.0

      I’ve thought about this so many times. Any time I’ve given my opinion I always said there was really no other choice (it had to be Spezza). As you said, all the other choices have certain issues that make them not ideal candidates. And, there’s not wanting to upset our biggest star (Spezza), especially when he deserves it the most based on past success with the team.

      But, I’ve had a change of opinion. Spezza was still the best option. But, why have a captain at all this year? We just had the longest serving captain in the entire league leave. He was huge here, and nobody will ever step into that role and fill his shoes. And, our team is so young. So, why not just go with 3 assistants. Management and coaches simply say out of respect to what we just lost (Alfie), we’re leaving the position vacant this year. We’re looking for a player to seize the opportunity, and win the a captaincy.

      • Aaron 2.0

        So, I totally dodged your question (lol). But, why not wait and see who emerges as the best choice?

      • Laurence Babchyuk

        Who was the best captain of all time, some say messier… I think it was Yzerman. And who replaced him ? Lidstrom ! Karlsson is Lidstrom 2.0
        Was he a great captain.. Yes cause Lidstrom works hard, sets the example. Karlsson works hard, he is setting the example in work ethic and he wears the logo with passion ( took a pay cut just to play here )
        Would he be a young captain ? Yes… But he is that good

    • SuperSENS

      Yeah I agree Hax; it’s pretty tough to argue someone on this team meets all of that criteria you laid out. I know this isn’t an answer to your question but, at this point, I’m fine with taking a wait-and-see approach to Spezza’s captaincy for this season and even next season. If, after that, Spezza still hasn’t really developed into the role, then you can always revisit the possibility of Karlsson or Turris, with the added benefit they’ll both be a bit more experienced by then.

      • Laurence Babchyuk

        Yeah we can wait, but I don’t want to burn 1 or 2 seasons knowing that the guy played his whole career that way.

    • Laurence Babchyuk

      Do you think that Steve Ott is a good captain ? Neil is already the captain on the bench. You look at him fire up the bench, Turris is our best 2 way foreward with Mccarthur and Karlsson is a special player and he’s the face of the team.

      Special players deserve special treatment( crosby youngest captain ever, Toews, Tavares )

      But you mark a point in the fact that Karlsson might be low key… An interesting fact though, he plays amazing with the *A* on his jersey. He seems to enjoy being a leader and I really think that he would be a great captain.

      So Neil and Karlsson would be my two candidate.

      In my nhl game I have
      (C) karlsson
      (A) Neil
      (A) Turris

      • runningbear1974

        Karlsson could have been a good choice… BUT… 1) he got divorced within a year (shows either poor judgement, or poor behaviour)… 2) on the ice, he’s risky, and quite often unnecessarily so (again, seems his judgement is a little off)…
        He’s playing much better now… And I have no doubt this is something he’s working on in his life, but in my mind, all indications point that he’s too immature at this point…

        • Zelle

          Maybe his wife just missed Sweden? Not everyone enjoys being in a new country.

          • runningbear1974

            It is a possibility, but unfortunately I doubt it… In my mind, the most likely explanation is that he cheated on her… I could be wrong, but I would bet everything I have on it…

  • Andrews theory

    For those that didn’t see it, Kerry Fraser did a write up on the officiating last night.

    He more or less agrees that the refs did a piss poor job

    http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=443080

  • Floridasensfan

    Spezza was on fire last night, same with Lehner, always feels good to win, especially against the refs, Lehner is our future, don’t rush him to be our starter like we did with Elliot, Seriously we have an Awesome goalie in Anderson and Lehner why is there even conversation about this, enjoy them both while we have this awesome tandem.

    Goal tending is not a problem here why make it one.

    I have always wanted for us to have a goalie that can steal games, we have two, nothing to stress over.

  • senate19

    So my forward lineup for tonight =

    Zibanejad-Spezza-Ryan
    Condra-Turris-McArthur
    Michalek-DaCosta-Conacher
    Neil-Smith-Greening

    • s3nsfan

      If i was maclean, which I’m obviously not I would keep 9-19-93 together, everytime he plays them together they have good chemistry. If you can get them going and keep the Turris line going that is a pretty good top 6.

      • senate19

        With respect, I disagree – I think Spezza and Ryan were never given a fair shake, plus Spezza’s playing much better than he was at the beginning of the year when they had their chance together. Throw Karlsson on the ice with them and I think you’d see some magic. Plus, Ryan needs a change to get his game going again.

        • s3nsfan

          I think I’ll stick with MacLeans hunches on lines. Looks like Spezza is helping Michalek get going. That line looks pretty good together. Ryan,MacArthur and Turris will be fine.

  • MethotToMyMadness

    Hey Chirp, I see you made a few changes to the page where we see ourselves logged in, how we see comments to our own topics. I’m still trying to figure it out, but it looks clean and neat.

    • SensChirp

      Yup. The site’s log in is now on the main menu bar to the far right. It also looks like Disqus has made some changes to their set up as well.

      • Tcharger

        Disqus confuses the hell out of me…seems I have two different accounts I post on here with….I have my Ryan for 51 one, and I think this one

  • FBP

    I think everyone but me got a free goal light thing from Budweiser.