Senators Stumble into the Olympic Break- Highlights

SensChirp February 9, 2014 108
Senators Stumble into the Olympic Break- Highlights

-Not many positives to take away from a dreadful performance in Boston other than the fact that the Detroit Red Wings also lost in regulation later in the evening.  That means the Senators head into the Olympic break just one point back of the final playoff position in the East.  Even though some fans seemed to think the sky was falling after yesterday afternoon’s loss, a strong December and January has given the Senators a fighting chance in their pursuit for the post-season.

-Erik Karlsson and Milan Michalek are both bound for Sochi but for the rest of the Senators roster it will be a great opportunity to get some rest and prepare for the 23 game stretch drive.  Ottawa is going to need something like a 13-7-3 record down the stretch to ensure they grab one of the remaining playoff spots.  Certainly not impossible but the Senators will need to play some inspired hockey in March and April.

-For a couple weeks anyway, the focus now shifts to the Olympic hockey tournament in Sochi.  Even though the start times will be a little wacky, the talent level and quality of the hockey will be second to none.  Can’t wait for this tournament to start. In the meantime, we’ll try our best to keep things interesting here at SensChirp.  I have a couple ideas for articles along with a couple Daily Chirp entries I’ve been hanging on to.  And if any of you have an idea for a Chirped entry, this would be a great opportunity to profile your work here in the SensChirp community.

  • Richard Gough

    I am hoping with the Olympic break starting that Murray gets on phones and try’s to find a trading partner . This team really needs help on the back end. I am really starting the loose faith in Cowan and his girlish style of hockey.

  • WaitingSince92

    It’s hard to stay positive. We’ve been better over 2 months, but ever since that streak, we’ve been unable to bring some consistency. Not only do we need to be consistent, but we also need to be better than just ‘good’ down the stretch to make the playoffs. We’ve really put ourselves in a tough spot…

    • SensChirp

      One. Point. Out.

      • boom

        To be honest, we have to – oe should, take the “a loss is a loss” view of yesterday’s game.

        Yeah, they stuck the joint out, but we shouldn’t let one bad loss make us forget that they have played well for the last bunch of games, for the most part.

        Put it behind them, and get a good rest.

      • Richard Gough

        One point out thanks to other teams

        • Sensnation

          15-8-6 record since Dec 9th paints a very different picture.

    • sben

      we’re in a fine spot now. I don’t know what you are talking about. Pessimism. I guess you’re name says it all you expect too much too soon.

  • thepez

    Basically all the Sens were in vacation mode yesterday. All the single guys were th

  • Sandy

    According to Garrioch.. the Sens may target Chris Stewart from St. Louis… Now rumours were when St Louis & the Rangers were talking… St Louis wanted Callahan in return… Now the Sens can’t match that. He is signed until 2014/15..
    McLean was asked about Cowen’s bad night last night. McLean said he had a lot of help in that department. He’s not going to single out one player as none of them played well..

    • Sensnation

      Wish fans saw what the coach did. It was a total team failure. Our assistant captain’s mind was already in Sochi.

      Chris Stewart is a very intriguing option, not sure if he’ll be worth the trade price either though.

    • NickofTime

      Yea, they all sucked yesterday but I would point the finger at Karlsson who was the worse IMO defensively, he is constantly just standing around waiting for Cowen to do all the work. I don’t know what is wrong with him this yr & why he thinks he doesn’t have to work as hard defensively, maybe the Norris has gotten into his head, I don’t know but he was much better defensively the yr he won the Norris, he sucks defensively now.

      I like the Stewart talk just not sure what St Louis would want in return, if they want a roster player maybe Michalek would work but then that would leave a hole on our roster. Hopefully St Louis would take a couple of prospects & Conacher or Condra, doubt they would want Phillips. It will be interesting to see whether Ottawa are buyers or sellers come Mar 5/14.

  • Sandy

    Looking at the schedule coming out of the break for the teams around the Sens… Nice to see the Detroit game at home.. the Wings play in Mtl the previous night.
    Toronto has a pretty brutal schedule coming out of the break.. Isles, Mtl, Columbus, Rangers, Philly, then on the road to Anaheim, SJ & LA.. The Sens have Mtl at home.. then Vanc, Edm, Cal, Win, Nash, Mtl.. The Habs play Det, PItts, Tor, LA, Ana, Pho, SJ..
    IF the Sens decide to show up after the break to actually play hockey the way they can… hopefully they can gain ground on the Leafs and the Habs..

  • zippy

    Karlsson was obviously already in Sochi. Cowen was on vacation.Cowen was visibly embarrassed with each goal. You could see it on his face.

    Worst game defensively I’ve seen from both of them in one game.

    Bunch of twenty year olds that want to do something else on a Saturday afternoon.

    When I go on the bus I see twenty-ish year olds walk past, and I think “Half
    the Sens are that age, and MacLean needs to motivate all of them! God
    help him”

    They’ll turn it on and get a playoff spot. BM will pickup someone to help I hope it’s Vanek or PA. More PA because he’s from Hull.

    Go Sens.

    • K_hog

      Agreed…everyone was looking past that game at the time off, or in Karlsson”s and Michalek’s mind, Sochi!
      This is still a very young team, and it showed yesterday. They may make the playoffs, but I can’t see them doing much. Just being realistic. There still a player or two away, and the young guns need maturing. I don’t want them to sell the farm yet, just to make the playoffs. Be patient, this team has a lot of upside!!!!
      Go Sens!!!

  • FistsofNeil25

    I don’t think fans were acting like the sky was falling because of the loss. It was the way they lost. A lot of people have a hard time understanding how this team can compete hard against Pittsburgh and St Louis for a full 60 minutes earlier in the week and then not even show up against Boston yesterday afternoon.

    There are no excuses really. They had one last game to completely empty the tank before the Olympic break but they clearly had little interest in playing that hockey game. Boston’s a great team but we’ve beat them twice already this season. There’s no reason to get thumped 7-2 when they were without Rask and Chara.

    If the Sens had given it their all and lost the game I don’t think anyone would be upset. That performance yesterday was unacceptable and they embarrassed themselves and their fans.

    Everyone’s just going to have to forget that game ever happened.

    • SENSsmile

      Embarrassing for sure. Yesterday, I sent a message to a friend who lives in Boston to wish her a happy birthday. She’s not a hockey fan, so I asked her to send a few positive vibes toward the Sens prior to the game. She graciously obliged and decided to watch a portion of the game. This is what she wrote to me later, after the game: “I never watch hockey, as I’m more a basketball fan. I don’t want to hurt your feelings, but your team didn’t look very good today.” Embarrassing.

  • SensFanInMTL

    1:38 of the video was difficult to watch, as you can see the entire Sens team watch Bergeron do a Mexican hat dance around our boys. What’s worse was the commentary that followed Bergeron’s goal. It’s just unclassy and extremely arrogant to listen to. No homophobe comments here but that commentary was just gay.

    • sben

      I wasn’t able to watch the game and after hearing all the bad comments about it I decided to pass.

  • Millennium

    I didn’t get to watch the game, but just having watched that reel, that is some of the most embarrassingly terrible defensive zone play I’ve ever seen. Like, shockingly bad. That kind of play would get criticised at the Midget level. Not to beat a dead horse, but Cowen was the poster child for that in those lowlights.

    • Sensnation

      Easy to say when you missed the game. Karlsson led the charge, ignoring his assignment on 2 of the first 3 goals. By the time Cowen decided to join him for coffee on the 4th goal, it was clear the whole team had given up. From then on Cowen looked horrible, but hard to blame a guy on goals 4 through 7, when his partner gave up on the ones when the game was actually still close.

      Karlsson wears an A, Cowen hasn’t even played 150 games.

      • Millennium

        As I said, my opinion only applied to what I saw in the video above. I don’t doubt there is more to the story than those 5 mins of play.

        • Sensnation

          Understood, I was just trying to fill in the rest of the story since the board’s pretty slanted towards their whipping boy right now.

          • SENSsmile

            With all due respect, I believe that you defend Cowen a little bit too much. To me, it’s not a matter of assigning more blame to one player over another. This is purely academic, IMHO. If people don’t like Cowen’s play, well then he needs to be able to step up himself to prove his detractors wrong. It doesn’t really matter what other people think of him. The ball is in his court and he’s been dropping it much too often this year. Much of his play has become indefensible. Some serious adjustments need to be made. As I wrote in another post yesterday, This is why I don’t lay all the blame on Cowen. While he has his share of responsibility to assume, I think the blame needs to be shared equally with the coaching staff, who’s not making the right adjustments. We all know the definition of insanity: doing the same thing over and over, expecting different results. Something has to change.

          • Sensnation

            It’s a growth year. I defend any player who receives an undue amount of blame. Cowen is playing better than 90% of sens fans are claiming. I’m glad BM and PM are keeping him out there to keep learning and growing. It’ll pay off in the long run. Fans have no patience for losses like that, sure, but it’s a rebuild and they’ve been whining like little bitches all year. Gave up on this team 10 games in. At this point sens fans can go f themselves, they are a disgrace to the generation of fans who had to live through actual terrible losses season after season in the 90s. The “Me Generation” is too much about instant gratification, a team is built with patience and time. We’re doing it the right way, let the process actually occur. This isn’t Edmonton 10 years into a rebuild here, this is year 3!

          • SENSsmile

            Let’s not get carried away here. This is a discussion on hockey, not world peace.

            I was there during the Sens’ early years of misery. As a matter of fact, I shared season tickets with a couple of friends during those times of hardship and I was always happy to see the Sens work their ass off during each game. So I think it’s unfair to lump all Sens fans into the same bag and assume that they’re all about instant gratification and therefore should all go f themselves.

            To me, there is a significant difference between a hard-fought loss (as was the case in the 1990s) and a heartless effort such as yesterday’s game. A rebuild process shouldn’t give players a free pass to not show up for any given game. I simply don’t buy that.

            Average people who go to work all week (and earn a puny fraction of what these guys make each year) don’t get any sympathy from their bosses just because they’re young and in a development stage. If they jerk off at work on any given day, they stand a good chance to get fired or, at the very least, sent to the doghouse.

          • Zelle

            Great post.

          • SENSsmile

            Thank you, Zelle. Next time you have a spare ticket to give away, please keep me in mind. (just kidding… cheers :-)

          • Zelle

            lol! I will xD Although that was probably my last live game of the season.

          • Miguel

            applaud you defence of Cowen, however why is it ok to sit Gryba and PW on a regular basis, who are clearly much better right now, but not ok to sit Cowen, who frankly if it were purley on skill, may not ever crack our AHL lineup right now?

      • Miguel

        sorry to tell you Cowen horrible play was not only that last game, it has been the better part of the 2013-14 season that he has looked awful

  • MoeDozer

    id hope Karlsson has a talk with the staff in private that something needs to be done about this defense.. seems like unless he is playing with methot, he is playing with an anchor chained on to him. and we cant just pair him with methot as the other 2 pairings could get real ugly and i personally am becoming a big fan of methot-gryba shutdown group.

    you could see the frustration and probably hear it if you sat close enough to the ice in karlsson after every goal let in when his d-partner (cowen) is way out of position.

    i cant remember what goal it was from, but a couple of games ago i noticed bobby get frustrated on the bench watching the D turn it over on the blue line for an odd man rush.

    I mean we dont need to act unprofessional and throw players under the bus, but management has to step up and take actions to not ruin general team trust and chemistry.

    • Sensnation

      Did you watch the game? Please re-watch the first 3 goals and let me know what Cowen messed up. Why can Karlsson do no wrong for this fan base? He is supposed to be a leader and was the furthest thing from it yesterday.

      • Sandy

        As McLean said.. none of them played well… IMO that’s disgraceful to have no one play like they should have in a game which 2 pts was very important.. Instead they get blown out.. embarrassing…

        • SENSsmile

          …and extremely frustrating as a fan. I think this relates directly to your other comment regarding our fickle fan base. Fans anywhere in the world, I think, will heap praise on their team when they see a good work ethic, win or lose. But when their team fails to show up for a game, well then they deserve all the crap thrown at them. If that makes us fickle fans, so be it.. I’ll wear it like a badge of honour. :-)

      • MoeDozer

        not sure why you are pointing out just the first 3 goals, because those werent cowen’s fault. that 4th goal has to be the worst defensive coverage ive witnessed in a sens jersey. it was downhill for everyone from there on out.

        im talking about the overall play of cowen in past month. i am one of the few Cowen defenders and will continue to do that. i posted yesterday saying he needs to be benched and watch the game from a different perspective.

        and please lets not start making karlsson the next spezza by hoping on his wagon when hes winning us games but crap on him when we are not.

        yes it was an ugly game for karlsson and pretty much the entire roster aside from michalek zibby really. but ill take a couple of ugly games a year from him when hes dominating for the rest. dont think i need to remind any sens fan he is the leading scorer on this team and league leading Dman in points.
        as well as 10th in league in takeaways.

        • Sandy

          But isn’t that what this fanbase does? Team loses they pick apart and trash their players..

          • MoeDozer

            maybe we do need phillips back..for the fan base to have a whipping boy on D

          • Simple Jack

            phillips was best paired with cowen since hes a stay at home d man, cowen wanders and chases players to the blue line leaving an exposed played who pots it. other teams know that they can get our defence to scramble pretty easily. cowen needs to learn defence from phillips but learn from mistakes and learn to play better.

            right now methot will want 5 mil per since cowens raise.

          • Sensnation

            Unfortunately, yes. I really wanted to believe we were different than Montreal and Toronto fans.

            In the NFL the Seattle Seahawks have the greatest home atmosphere and fans. Though they have a great team too, this should show fans how being a positive influence on your team can actually help push them where you want them. Those fans were known well before the team started winning Super Bowls. Tearing players down, like any humans, just pushes them further down.

        • Sensnation

          I’ve had a problem with Karlsson all year. His defense is so inconsistent and Cowen keeps getting blamed for his mistakes. If until the 4th goal there was no issue with Cowen, the game was already out of hand.

          If his partner’s been leaving him alone all game to fend off his and Karlsson’s assignments, by the 4th goal he’s just given up and that’s when fans started on him, which is ridiculous.

          I love his offence, but I question if it will ever be able to win a cup with all you give up defensively. Having a forward like Spezza can hurt when he’s turning it over, having that from a dman who won’t always stay with his man on d, is a lot worse. Karlsson is not my whipping boy, I’m pleased with the growth of most of the team, but he’s supposed to be a leader and fans need to start holding him more accountable and stop giving him free passes on games like yesterday.

          Cowen sucked after the game was already lost, Karlsson sucked while the game was still close, that’s the bottom line. One’s a leader, one is still finding his way. Blame the right person and I have no issues.

          • spartacus

            I agree completely. Karlsson is a terrible defenceman and his
            plus minus proves it. Add Spezza to the mix and you have two of the worst defenders in the league on one team. I said it before and I say it again, we were a better team last year when both were out of the lineup. Karlsson with all his talent should be ashamed of his effort. Still he is young and until the latest beatdown in Beantown I thought his defence was improving. He just did not show up for that game.

        • Aaron 2.0

          I love Karlsson. Hands down, he’s the biggest talent on this team. And, it’s not even close. But, it’s true that he’s struggled defensively this year, and most fans refuse to talk about it. He’s currently tied as the 30th worse in +/- in the entire league (consisting of hundreds of skaters). Obviously, this stat doesn’t tell the whole story. But considering how he can carry a game, that stat is pretty alarming.

          • MoeDozer

            +/- can be misleading because IMO it exploits more how the team is doing in goal differential. turris being the only senator in the positive doube digits (17). bobby and mac at +9. with so-called defensivley responsible players michalek and zibby at -22 and -13

            great defensive players across the league (some i can think of from top of my head datsyuk byfuglien kesler smid ) have a negative rating due to their teams poor defensive out puts this year.

            i dont count any of the games karlsson played before christmas. if you recall after his injury it was said he will not be back to 100% or stronger until arround early 2014. and we are seeing exactly that.

            yes hes struggled a lot but IMO he wouldnt be trying to do so much playing 30+mins a night had he played with a reliable Dman

          • Aaron 2.0

            I agree, 30 minutes is way too much. And, he definitely gets himself into trouble by trying to do everything when the team is playing bad. But, I’d challenge any fan to say with a straight face that Karlsson’s game is perfect, and he doesn’t need to improve on the back end. Pairing him with Cowen is probably really bad for both players. We’re asking Karlsson to make up for for Cowen’s struggles by pairing them together, with the belief that pairing #65 with anybody will automatically make that other player better. And, in turn we’re lining up Cowen against high-quality competition, playing him lots of minutes. The strategy is obviously not working.

          • SENSsmile

            Very astute remarks. I agree wholeheartedly.

          • SENSsmile

            Karlsson’s defensive play this year is enigmatic for sure. One could easily speculate that he misses Alfie as his mentor and he’s having personal problems outside the rink. He’s been so inconsistent this year. As EK65 goes, so goes the entire team, it would appear.

      • Simple Jack

        karlsson is allowed to wander, thats how he steals pucks and makes plays, his partner should know that he needs to be a stay at home d man.

        • Sensnation

          Exactly, Cowen is expected to cover 2 men and then gets blamed when he can’t.

      • Miguel

        please just watch the 4, 5, and 6th goals by boston, and watch you beloved Cowen!
        I would bench my peewee dmen if they were to do what Cowen does.
        He chases one forward, and is so slow he cannot even trip him, and then stops skating and leaves HIS man Iginla alone in front of the net for eternity!
        Anderson should have ripped Cowen a new one, for his part on all those goals, sorry Sensation, applaud you support, but he is a huge reason for our D struggles this year!
        no way in hell Gryba should ever sit before him

  • Spinorama

    We’ve had too many games this year where most guys do not show up. This team needs a small shake up to get over the hump. I am hoping that Murray is looking to acquire A. Edler especially if he plays alongside Karlsson in Sochi. The other is A. Hemsky who is the best overall talent available at the deadline. Maybe a Czech sandwich with Spezza in the middle would get Michalek and Spezza to show up more often. Those are the 2 moves I think can get us a little more consistency overall. B-Murr are you reading this !!??

    • Sandy

      I want no part of Hemsky. The team has enough injury prone players in Michalek & Spezza.. They don’t need a third one..

    • Simple Jack

      hemsky has been available for 4 years, still no team wants him.

      • Sensnation

        No team wants to pay the price, plenty teams are interested.

      • spinorama

        not true sandy, oilers management have a death grip on this guy and are asking alot in return. I just dont like the footspeed of moulson and the other wingers available for spezza. detroit wanted hemsky big time last year, again kevin lowe and company cant move on. he gets injured because he goes to the dirty areas. ive seen too many sens games with perimeter play and no one driving the net.
        to that claesson comment below…. cmon man that kid would be worse than cowen. karlsson needs a vet with him. edler is the way to go.
        I love my sens but they are extremely frustrating to watch this year. we are stuck in that middle pack and need to make that move to get us up a level.

  • Sens613

    Just another dreadful afternoon game! I’ll give the team this one last mulligan! Enjoy the Olympic break and come at the end of February contending for Lord Stanley!

    • Sandy

      Well, I believe they have either 3 or 5 left in the afternoon.. Can’t remember which. They can’t afford to lose the majority of them either…

      • Sens613

        Wasn’t sure how many afternoon games were left either. Although it’s true that players have a specific regiment before games; we have to start winning them and stop making excuses why we don’t show up for these games. Every other team show up to win and so should we.

  • Simple Jack

    anybody think we should call up fredrik claessen +28 and 22 pts.
    i think it warrants a try with karlsson, that would be a swede defence pair.

    • Sensnation

      AHL point always translate to 1st line D pairing minutes off the bat!

    • Sandy

      Start him in the 3rd pairing first. It’s a big step from the AHL to the NHL. Let him play slowly. I’m sure Zibby will be happy when Claessen gets to Ottawa as they are friends..

  • Simple Jack

    if there’s a way to shake things up, we need another quality dman and a point producing skilled forward for spezza.

    a trade with buffalo could be our best option.
    trade to buffalo
    milan michalek, jarrod cowen and a young player like hoffman, conacher etc

    for christian earhoff (locked in long term) and tyler ennis (rfa)

    we get a decent contract cap hit in earhoff and another skilled speedy player in ennis.
    buffalo could have a young big d pair of myers and cowen and with mistakes will help them get more top picks, like mcdavid in 2015, i know its a rival but it would take years for buffalo get good, ennis and earhoff go to a winning team.

    besides tim murray loves cowen and would probably give us the best in return.

    having earhoff may allow us to resign methot for around 4 mil in a similar contract.

    • Sandy

      NO WAY.. not within the division. Can you see… when fully developed.. a pairing of Tyler Myers and Jared Cowen? Yikes… if they develop as they should..

  • FistsofNeil25

    On this Karlsson and Cowen debate:

    Maclean has to have a serious chat with Karlsson. Don’t get me wrong, Karlsson is probably my favorite player in the game right now and I truly believe he’s one of the best player’s in the world, but he has to know which teams he can take the risks against and which teams he needs to keep it simple for. I know he plays a high risk game, but teams like Boston and Pittsburgh will make the Sens pay if Karlsson is trying to do it all himself. An opponent like Buffalo will make Erik look like the best player in the world, but the good teams will take advantage of him if he doesn’t play smarter.

    I think a lot of Karl’s shortcomings this season have been due to just trying to do too much. He’s by far the best player on the team, but he still has to remember sometimes that hockey is a team game and he can’t hang his teammates or defensive partner out to dry by trying to do too much.

    On Cowen, well he just isn’t the right partner for Karlsson right now. There’s no way this guy should be playing 20+ minutes a night in the NHL with the state his game is in. He’s lacking confidence big time and pairing him with Karlsson is forcing him to play out of his comfort zone, due to the big minutes he must log and the style of hockey that Karlsson plays.

    Let me just say that it’s far too early to give up on Cowen. I still have really high hopes for the guy. Unfortunately, he has been without a doubt the team’s worst defenseman this year. No player consistently loses his man more than Cowen. No player on the team has failed as many times with the puck on his stick than Cowen. Of course he makes some good plays every night but overall his game is hurting the team more than it is helping it.

    At the end of the day, both these guys have a ton of work to do to become better players. Offensively, Karlsson is every bit as good as the year he won the Norris, but defensively, he isn’t anywhere close to as good. Cowen has regressed since his rookie season but I like to believe that it’s just a sophomore slump the he’s going through and that with time, he’ll become a great shutdown defender.

    • Simple Jack

      he’s not been paired with methot, our top dman because our defence is too thin. erik takes risks, thats why he makes plays and points. if you ask him to be a regular d man then he wont be erik karlsson. risk/reward scenario methots absense is why he’s looking off this year. if we had the 65/3 pairing we would be extremely thin and only have 1 good pairing.

      im hoping cowen paired with karlsson because he can be showcased for how many minutes the kid can play, im hoping management is pissed with cowens holdout for more dollars without proving himself is to get him moved and make an example of players that think their too good to have to earn their way up the ladder.

    • SENSsmile

      I agree with your comments as a whole. I think most people will agree that Cowen has regressed big time this year, while Karlsson fails to adjust his play according to his opponents’ strengths and weaknesses. This therefore begs the question: why the hell doesn’t MacLean see these things? He’s the one who should be making the proper adjustments, but he’s not. I don’t understand him at all this year.

      • Aaron 2.0

        I agree with you on this. (re caching decisions). On defense, there really is not a lot of good options though. If you pair Methot and Karlsson together, the drop-off it really, really bad. I still think the best option is Karlsson / Methot. Let the cards fall where they may on the 2nd and 3rd pairings.

        • FistsofNeil25

          I think Murray missed his evaluations on Cowen and Wiercioch. He believed these two guys would emerge as quality second pairing guys this season and neither has been able to demonstrate that.

          Now we really only have 2 top 4 defensemen in Methot and Karlsson. I would say the next best guy has been Ceci and that shouldn’t be the case. Ceci’s been pretty good but there’s no way he should be out-performing Cowen and Wiercioch just yet, but he is.

          • Sandy

            Did you ever hear of sophomore slump?

        • Sensnation

          Karlsson and Methot end up on the ice together at some point in a lot of games, and it doesn’t look like it used to. Maybe they aren’t as familiar anymore, but Methot just hasn’t been the same this year.

          • SenaTHOR

            Gryba and Methot look pretty good together because they are both responsible players.
            Karlsson– no
            Cowen.. not really
            Ceci.. usually
            Wiercioch.. sometimes

            You need to be a responsible player to be an effective all round player.

      • Simple Jack

        i agree with your thoughts on mclean, but the guy has won the jack adams in his second year, maybe it got to his head or that coaching an nhl team takes more than just the head coach to make everything work. maybe its not mclean making the d pairings. maybe he needs a vet d coach like maybe richardson who’s been in the league recently.

        if i was coach i would have karlsson/methot pairing with the other 2 top dman of that game paired for the final 5 mins and overtime.

        i also think our team sucks 4 on 4 and we treat it like a penalty kill. we need to work on 4 on 4 and make us better in overtime and in key situations. a short bench is needed sometimes.

    • Simple Jack

      if he jumps up into the neutral zone and chases players everywhere, he’s not trying to be a shutdown guy. he plays like a puck moving d man with low hockey iq. just saying. compare cowen to gryba and you’ll see the difference in a shutdown guy.
      both guys arent fast but i would keep gryba over cowen because he is a shutdown guy who plays hard, hits hard and will get better with his skating.
      i think you can only keep one because we have so many young d coming up. i would bargain cowen and keep the shutdown guy in gryba.

      • Sensnation

        He’s not a shutdown guy, for the millionth time Cowen is a two way dman!

        • Jacques

          The only two way COwen is doing is in the bedroom, cuz he can’t skate worth shit dude to be a two way NHL
          D-man , what r u smoking. He’s like a pylon, hell even an alumni player could go around him.

        • SenaTHOR

          Maybe in the WHL. In the NHL he is neither, no offense.

    • sben

      Agree with everything you’ve said there but I have to say that for a short period of time Cowen was making smart decisions offensive and defensively. He was starting to look more like gryba but gradually he lost that and tonight was the day where he got out of the good streak and his confidence has taken a huge tumble. I’m telling you that article should be a mini chirped. Nothing I disagreed with at all in this statement

  • Sandy

    Not sure if it’s been mentioned already or not.. but Garrioch is saying Phillips injury is a hip injury. Now that’s not good for a player his age…

  • SensChirp

    Yeeeesh.
    Maybe we should just switch off the comment section for a couple weeks. When people start to turn on Karlsson you know things have gone crazy.

    • sben
    • Aaron 2.0

      I think it’s silly to say that the fan base or the readers here are turning on Karlsson. Almost everybody here that commented on him today prefaced by saying such things as he’s an all-world talent, or his skill-set is elite, etc. Maybe tone is easily lost on text-based forms such as comment sections on blogs, but I didn’t think anyone was getting their pitchforks and torches ready to run him out of town. We’re on a prolonged break with the Olympics. It’s only natural for fans to take time to assess the team to date. And, the biggest challenges this year have been in the defensive end. Karlsson plays defense last I checked, so it only seems appropriate he would be part of that discussion.

      He’s the only player on this team that is untouchable in my opionion. But that doesn’t mean the young defender can’t improve. Like I said ealier, I’d challenge you or any fan to keep a straight face and say that #65′s defensive game is perfect, and his game requires no growth. Just because fans feel he needs some work in the defensive end, particularly on his game-to-game consistency, in no way equates to turning on him in my mind. That seems to dumb down the issue to either black or white. Frankly, people who can only see things in this manner scare me.

  • Deadly

    The site has turned a bit ugly.
    It is easy to not look in .
    Even unrealistic trade talk is better.

    • SensChirp

      It was one frigging game. The reaction to one Saturday loss in Boston has been infuriating and frankly, a little bit embarrassing.

      • IAmThePaulrus

        i suspect a lot of people are just bummed because we have to wait until after the Olympic break to see how the team or Murray are going to respond.

        • SensChirp

          I suppose. Is a hockey tournament featuring the best players in the world not a sufficient distraction?

          • bluebuyyoo

            It will be once the masses decide who to shit on :-)

      • Sandy

        Chirp for me it is not that they lost.. but how they lost. To a man.. give or take the very few.. they did not show up.. The game was an important one as all of the rest will be.
        It wasn’t one player in particular.. just most of them..

      • Aaron 2.0

        If it was truly only one embarrassing loss where defensive issues and mental lapses have been an issue, i’m sure the response would be much more muted. The conversation around here has seemed civilized, even constructive, I thought.

      • Miguel

        hey Chirp,
        I think this is to be expected from a team that continues to roller coaster up and down as this team has done all season.
        No consistency by the teams performance, the teams players, the coaching staff, which leads to confusion and frustration by the fan base.
        No one can doubt the passion from many of the posters, and no one can doubt the love for the Sens, however when you clear your Sat afternoon (which means you have to pay for that in other ways) and they throw out such a dud, ( as I do all the house chores as payment for the Sat afternoon off ) it really does leave a very bad taste, and hence the bitter feedback today.
        And Cowen’s play is really that gawd awful right now!

      • puckoff

        Yep, tru dat. Everyone seems to forget that the Sens are still only 1 point out of the last playoff spot.

        I heard somewhere that the Sens were 14 points out of a spot on Dec 1st.

  • sben

    I think this comment section needs this.

    http://i.minus.com/ijZgvs3b9WzRa.gif

  • SenaTHOR

    Not a Cowen hater. I just have some observations.
    He does not have the speed,mobility or puck handling to be a two way dman and get back into the play.
    He does not get enough backward speed a lot of the time to make an effective pivot ie
    He needs to close the gap and accelerate backwards.
    He needs to punish guys on the boards and get control of the puck by hitting on the side of the stick.
    His decision making time just seems delayed. Takes to long to pass and react.

    I think the big contract brought big expectations and he is struggling to meet them. He needs to work on these weaknesses to become a more effective player.

    • Miguel

      based on that assessment he is a lousy dman,

  • thepez

    I’m sure this has been said before but when the Sens beat the Pens 5-0 just before Christmas, Ray Shero called all 29 teams and told them that Crosby was available for a pick……
    It’s one game in a 82 game season. Most of the single guys on the team could not wait to get to the Caribbean. EK65 did not want to get hurt ahead of the Olympics. The rest were already in vacation mode. NO big deal.
    I keep hearing that the Sens have no interest in bringing Michalek back next year (the media). Personally if he was paid about 2.5 milion/year on a one or two year deal I would seriously think that the Sens would bring him back.

    • MethotToMyMadness

      You’d be silly not to bring him back at 2.5 Mil a year. But 9MM will demand more and he would earn it on the open market, so we either pay and keep him or lose him for nothing. I just don’t see much on the trade market for him. When teams know they can get him for nothing, why give up assets?.

  • runningbear1974

    For those who say it’s too early to give up on Cowen… I’d like to say that it was also too early to give up on Silfverberg…

    • bluebuyyoo

      Apples and oranges. Silf was traded because he was a valuable asset that brought a good return. You have to give something to get something.

      • runningbear1974

        Not exactly apples and oranges, more like, cowens and silfverbergs…

        My opinion is that Cowen is also a valuable asset… And I agree, you have to give a valuable asset to get a valuable asset…

  • MethotToMyMadness

    Chirp, you’ve been running this blog for along time, and you know by now that Sens Fans are probably one of the most critical of all, but it’s because Sens fans are one of the most knowledgeable when it comes to the game.

    We pick apart everything and anything. A big win, heaven’s gates are open and wine is flowing like water. But we lose and the team is utter sh!t and everyone needs to go. It is frustrating, and the idiotic posts are part of it. But on the flip side, you probably have one of the best blogging communities for a sports team I’ve ever seen.

    Don’t shutdown the comment section, it’s become a world of it’s own. #letitlive

    Ok, you know you are on twitter too much when you start using hash tag’s in comments, lol.

  • MethotToMyMadness

    Reading the comment about the Silf/Ryan Trade. BM took a big risk shipping out Silfverberg, Noesen and a 1st round for Ryan. We knew what we were getting, a previous 30 goal scorer (21 on the year so far) for at least the next 2 years.

    Silf, while slick and gaining ground, is still learning. He’s had some bright spots as a Duck early on, but his injuries have really slowed him down this year. Then Noesen tears his MCL and ACL and he’s done for the year. That’s a big injury to come back from. The two most important chips in the return, are not as valuable at this point as Ryan has been. So far, win Ottawa.

    The real kicker will be what Anaheim gets with this years 1st from Ottawa. I really want to see the Sens make the playoffs, I think everyone is on that boat. But on top of that, I really want to see the Sens push that 1st round pick as far back as possible. We don’t want to hand the Ducks a top 10, 1st round. That should be motivation enough.

    • Aaron 2.0

      The only thing I’d say is that it’s possible both of those players would not have been injured if they were in the Ottawa system (butterfly effect). Silf would have been in Ottawa. Noesson in Binghamton. Of course, maybe one of them would have had a career ending concussion here. Who knows. With their injuries this year it’s really hard to draw a comparison. Add that they are both still developing, and that clouds the picture even more. We probably won’t be able to make a fair assessment of this trade for years. We’re certainly getting the better of it this year.

    • puckoff

      Many forget that the year Noesen was drafted by the Sens, that they had 3 first round picks that year.

      They drafted Zbad and Pump also. That is what made it easier to give up 2 first rounders.

  • SensChirp
  • Miguel

    That was as very demoralizing game vs Boston.
    However, we all seem to agree that the reality is that we are not, nor should we expect to win the cup this year.
    To this point it is time our GM and coach start to make some moves.
    Cowen can no longer be defended. I went on record before his last hip injury, that at the same age Cowen was better than Chara was. It is more than clear that whatever has happened to him, he has not been remotely close to what he was before the injury.
    What I find more troubling is that it cannot be more clear to anyone watching the games, that Cowen is lost, extremely slow, cannot control the puck, make a pass, and has lost most of his mobility. Something is terribly wrong with him… so why the hell do we continue to give him more important minutes?
    Someone needs to begin the rebuilding of his game, take him out and find out what the root of the cause is, and begin the rehabilitation.
    So if we are not able to win the cup, for the love of god, please make some room for some better players that are playing in the AHL.
    We have way too much dead wood on this team, and prospects who deserve the chance:
    Phillips,
    Greening,
    Conacher,
    Condra,
    Should all be looked to be replaced by, Boro Claeson, Stone, Hoffman, Peterson, SDC.
    And no way in hell should Gryba or PW ever sit again ahead of Phillips or evern Cowen again.
    As with Cowen those are two prospects that we should be nurturing as our future, that are actually showing real potential.
    Time to make some moves as we have way too many bodies, and players that have used up their chances.

  • Aaron 2.0

    Hopefully, a 13-7-1 record will do it, but that’s probably not certain in our division. The top 4 teams in our division have a significant step on us in the standings, and 3 point games will make it tough to catch any of them (barring a collapse by one of those teams – here’s hoping). Detroit always seems to elevate their game late in the season. They have a point on us, and a game in hand.

    To put out some of the flames about the Karlsson talk yesterday, check out Yost’s graphs today. They show his possession numbers are nothing short of amazing regardless of his partner. On the flip side, every other player drops significantly away from him, even Methot (our only other legitimate top 4 D at this point, with emphasize on “at this point”). It’s so painfully obvious what this team is really missing. A top pairing D for Karlsson. Someone he doesn’t have to babysit, that could actually elevate # 65′s game. If only these guys grew on trees [Sigh].

    • Sandy

      Toronto/Mtl have a 7 point lead on the Sens. With Toronto having games against tough competition including the US Western road trip.. 3 losses for them vs 3 wins for the Sens can change the standings pretty quickly.
      The Sens have to come back ready to play.

      • Aaron 2.0

        Sure, it’s possible. But, 7 points in this league, with all the loser points, is really a huge gap. The gaps have stayed pretty much the same, even with our improved play. I think Toronto is actually a pretty decent team; it pains me to say it. I’m less convinced about Montreal. But, both teams get enough from goal-tenders to make sure they get points.

    • puckoff

      The only way the other young dmen will get better is to play them. The Sens should stop sitting 2 young dmen a night and sit Phillips and Corvo.

      Cowen missed almost a year of hockey with his injury and his holdout. He has been playing better.

      • Aaron 2.0

        I’m with you 100%. Playing the vets has not lead to any noticeable up-tick in team play, maybe even the opposite, but i’d say the level of play has been pretty much the same regardless of who’s in the lineup. If that’s true why not stick with the young guys. There is more to gain there. As they get experience you’d hope they keep improving. However, if you give a guy an assignment he can’t handle, I could see how that could shatter confidence, and maybe hinder development. On that, I’d point to really needing a legit top-2 partner for Karlsson, so that these young guys (e.g. Cowen) aren’t being asked to do more than what’s really reasonable for them. But, again, the whole ‘defensemen growing on trees’ thing.