Senators Sign Massive Deal with TSN

SensChirp January 29, 2014 334
Senators Sign Massive Deal with TSN

Rumours have been out there for the past couple days but today the Ottawa Senators made it official, announcing a historic (and apparently lucrative) deal with Bell Media and TSN.

The deal is 12 years in length and according to Bruce Garrioch, could be worth more than $30 million a season.  If those numbers are accurate, this certainly should help to expand the internal budget that has been talked about so much the last couple seasons.

The organization knew these regional rights were going to be a hot commodity and by the sounds of things, they cashed in big time.  Sportsnet has been a loyal partner to the Senators over the years but the sense I’m getting from most Sens fans today, is that the shift to TSN is a welcome one.

They have some excellent on-air talent and with the recent news that Sportsnet obtained the NHL’s National broadcasting rights, the Senators now become a central piece for TSN.

(UPDATE 7:51 PM)-  Really interesting to hear just how fast this deal came together once Sportsnet’s negotiating window closed.  It was clear TSN wanted to make this happen as soon as possible and the timing obviously worked for the Senators who just kicked off a season ticket holder renewal campaign.  Good stuff from James Gordon over on SenatorsExtra about how the two sides worked out an agreement in such a short period of time.

More details on today’s announcement are available here.

  • sben

    If TSN keeps potvin on I won’t watch hockey for another 12 years.

    • ChronicallyInjured

      Where else would we get our interesting hockey facts? Did you know that Daniel Alfredsson is a fantastic swimmer?

      • sben

        or that jason spezza umm, hmm. Where was I?

      • Dirtysweetness

        At least it wont be Bob Cole or Harry Neal…..(are they still alive?)

    • WolfInSheepsClothes

      When he’s sober, he’s pretty good. When…..

    • CUP 2014-15

      Your going to miss a hell of a Cup run by the Sens next year.

  • WolfInSheepsClothes

    My god, this is great!!!

    Quality analysts night in, night out. More money in the bank!

    Perhaps we will soon see a deal to bring in an impact player without worrying about the cost…?

    • Jayme Reid

      This deal is worth $33 million per year the National deal $15 million thats a massive amount of cash.

      • SensChirp

        6th Sens saying that the current deal was worth $7 mil. If that number is right, this is a HUGE increase. Heard earlier this season that they were hoping to “double” their current TV deal. Sounds like they did much better than that!

        • sben

          great way to copy and paste your tweet and post it on the comment section. #funny

        • Jayme Reid

          People will say Tsn over paid and maybe they did but for the Sens this is massive.

          • WolfInSheepsClothes

            Who knows… Should we win the Cup during those 12 years, it’ll look like a steal of a deal for them.

  • Engin Sezerman

    I saw this comment on Facebook from a few friends.

    Previously TSN = Toronto Sports Network

    Now TSN = The Senators Network

    • Sens613

      Love this deal and this new acronym.

  • sben

    melnyk is having a seizure of happiness right now.

  • NickofTime

    Good deal for the Sens, hopefully, Melnyk will loosen the purse strings & let BM make some deals to improve this team. Instead of going aftter just one forward, let’s go after both Moulson & Hemsky. Ottawa has the assets so let’s use them to make this team better right now.

    BTW I am so sick of constantly listening to the media constantly building up Spezza. What a great goal, what a great pass to Da Costa, I’m sick of it, . But not once have I heard or read what a great pass Greening made to Spezza for the GWG. The Greening, Smith & Neil line had a great night & not a word from the media today. Thank God the coach appreciates how great these three were last night by giving them extra ice time, they played great & it’s high time the media begins to appreciate the guys who work hard every shift & aren’t going out there for a figure skate.

    • SensChirp

      Was that second paragraph satire?

      • NickofTime

        No, it was real, unlike you I’m not a Spezza fan although I also don’t want him trade as I think the team is much better with him in the lineup & really want to see Stone take off with him. I’m a fan of the Greening, Smith & Neil line which is why it ticks me off how much press Spezza & Karlsson get & how little the grinders get.

    • WolfInSheepsClothes

      The media is just as quick to shit on Spezza too (just like most, errr… some of our fickle fans). Anything that’s written about our team and players in a positive light should be greeted with open arms.

    • sben

      What did spezza do to deserve this treatment. No one has been “building up” spezza. To the contrary. There has been alot of criticism about his defensive game and no one disputes that he is one of the best (if not the best) offensive players on the sens. Most people think that his defensive game needsa improvement which is warranted. I think that he needs to improve on his defensive game but that he is also very talented offensively. No one says that he didn’t play a great offensive game yesterday. Sometimes I don’t no where some opinions in this comment section come from.

    • Sensnation

      The Smith line played really well for their role, however they are not he ones that have been shit on all year like Spezza has. Give the guy his night, he deserves it!

    • spezzerman

      I can think of another repetitive post I am sick of…

  • sben

    Menwhile melnyk is writing a letter to all sens fans explaining that he spent 300 million helping a great princess in nigeria who he met via spam mail and he is gonna get a return on investment next year when she becomes queen of africa. Then he will claim the sens are losing 40 million dollars a year.

    • Sensnation

      It’s interesting how in your little world there’s no way Melnyk is correct in claiming a loss in a small market team he had to save from the brink. Your hate on for the guy is beyond rational at this point.

      • CrazyFish

        But a few years ago they said if they make the 2nd round of the playoffs they make a profit, then suddenly he says they have lost $10 mil/year for 10 years, something doesn’t add up…

        • Sensnation

          That was a few years ago though, things change over time. I think most people following this team see it would have trouble breaking even until todays TV deal, especially with the cap going up so much each year.

      • sben

        its a joke. sheesh. I think that he was making a loss but when he claims that he is making money in the playoffs of 2012 and then very soon after claims he is losing 10 million a year is fishy but yes I do think he is losing.

        • Kohlmanator

          Refinancing a multimillion dollar loan can make you lose money. Some families struggle when their mortgages of 100k-300k interest rates rise 0.5%. Could you imagine a loan of 90+million? I’d bitch about losing money too.

        • Guest

          I don’t think he means losing 10 mil every single year, it’s more like 20 mil this season, breaking even the next, losing 5 mil after that, etc. etc. where the average money lost per season would be $10 mil a year.

      • Glenn Lowe

        Forbes magazine lists him making a profit last year .. 1 of 15 teams in the black .. Sorry but melnyk is a cheap person who lies a lot … Like how he needed a casino to break even .. Ya sure he does lol

        • Sensnation

          Melnyk is an NHL owner, they all manipulate the truth in the media. If the NHL had just forced teams to own the arena and the teams as 1 entity almost all teams would be profitable.

        • SuperSENS

          Because Forbes clearly never gets anything wrong … lol.

    • Dirtysweetness

      I just spat out my coffee all over my computer screen!
      (awesome post!)

  • Tcharger

    Wow an extra 26 mil in Melnyks pocket…can not wait to see what moves happen.

    I don’t think it will do a hell of a lot for this season(unless it is far more than a rental player)…but next year is setting up nicely.

    • Jayme Reid

      I don’t think they will make any real moves this year but i can see them going hard after some free agents.

      • Tcharger

        IMHO there aren’t really any UFAs that are worth going that hard after this year…especially taking into account that a lot will be signed come signing day.

        • Jayme Reid

          There are a few good ones.

    • sben

      I’m actually kind of afraid. Remember when murray said that he was gonna sign clarkson to a one year 7 mil contract. If he had that money and ability to spend in the future I think it could have been very worse. All this money looks good but responsible spending is more key than ever now. I don’t want this team to become the leafs.

      • Tcharger

        I wouldn’t worry about that, hence the internal budget

        • sben

          The internal budget was because melnyk could not afford it. He was penny pinching because he was losing money. If he opens up the purse too much I am going to be very afraid.

          • Tcharger

            according to Yost.

          • sben

            For what other reason would he do that though. He might have been doing it because he wants responsible spending but the casino debacle doesn’t reflect that. I think he was doing it because of money issues and if he opens up the purse too quickly rigth now we could have serious issues.

          • Sensnation

            All you do is whine about him not spending money and now you’re afraid that they might? Pick a side, can’t have it both ways.

          • sben

            I’m not on any side I just state what I think and how it is taken is up to you. The comment below was a joke. No need to get angry. I think that he will open up the bank a bit but I hope he doesn’t just give murray too much at one time and makes it gradual. Holmgren is a great example of what a GM can do when given too much money. Murray has already shown that he can make the same type of bad move with the clarkson offer. I hope that melnyk loosens the pockets up responsibly.

          • Sensnation

            Sorry your example is the Clarkson offer? The one that didn’t win? Clarkson was smoke and mirrors all the way, BM new he wasn’t getting him, but did his due diligence and entertained it. It got fans excited and intrigued, but he never committed stupid money to him, he used it as a media ploy to show fans how committed to winning they were.

            Instead he signed the best offseason deal this year with MacArthur.

            What you think is an opinion, and often the opinion you have written is negative towards the owner when it comes to having money and then negative towards BM when it comes to spending it. So you write unjustly negative, I read it that way and respond.

          • sben

            I don’t think so. Clarkson was in Ottawa for some time and he definitely had the chance to speak to murray. That rumor came AFTER clarkson was signed indicating that this was an offer that was given but not accepted. In this case I have the right to be negative towards murray’s spending money because we almost could have signed a piece of crap for 7 mil out of an approximately 50 million$ internal budget. Because of his negligibility concerning the offer made last year I have the right to be worried about melnyk opening his pocket too quickly in the coming seasons.

            In which case has my opinion been negative to the owner? I have stated facts and based on those facts provided an opinion. Nothing here has been negative towards melnyk. That comment about the nigeria princess was a joke. You say “unjustly negative”. Where is the unjust negativity you are reffering to.

          • Sensnation

            Fact, we didn’t sign Clarkson, move on.

          • sben

            You miss the whole point of me mentioning clarkson is that murray was willing to do a deal that could have screwed the sens. If given the money imagine kinds of stuff he could so therefore I want menlyk to give murray money gradually not just give him 10 million to just spend.

          • Sensnation

            Honestly man, you think I’m missing it, but what you don’t get is I hear your point and completely disagree. Let’s just move on.

          • sben

            okey dokey

  • Tcharger

    Also, after how many times Rogers has cut away from the Sportsnet feed this year, I say good effin riddance

    • Senatollah

      Careful what you wish for. TSN in the past has cut away from their HIGHEST rated shows to put on the annual dog show in NY. Many people were happy when TSN lost the rights to that other sport..err entertainment, thats it.

      • Jayme Reid

        The thing is Ottawa will be there golden goose they will treat the team like Cbc treats the Leafs.

        • WolfInSheepsClothes

          We can only hope.

        • Senatollah

          Along with being the official regional television broadcast rights holder for the Ottawa Senators, Bell Media also holds long-term broadcast rights for the Toronto Maple Leafs (TSN and TSN Radio 1050), Winnipeg Jets (TSN and TSN Radio 1290), Montreal Canadiens (RDS and TSN Radio 690), Vancouver Canucks (TEAM 1040), along with all Hockey Canada games including the IIHF WORLD JUNIOR CHAMPIONSHIP, IIHF WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP, and the IIHF WORLD WOMEN’S CHAMPIONS

          • Jayme Reid

            I have heard the Leafs rights end in 2015.

        • Alcatraz

          Not neccessarily, don’t TSN already have the Jets regional rights as well? It doesn’t mean we will be getting Duthie/Dreger/Mckenzie/Ward/Ferraro/Miller for all games

          Ferraro already tweeted that his contract involves more than just NHL, so I wouldn’t be surprised to see Cuthbert alot as then Duthie as host, with either Johnson/Ward etc on most nights

          • Jayme Reid

            What i find interesting is both Montreal and Winnipeg have there own channels yet most of Ottawa’s games will be on the main channel.

          • Tcharger

            We may end up with our own channel as well…who knows tho

          • Jayme Reid

            Not from what was said today most games will be on the main channel.

  • things that make me go hmm….

    sooooooo – we won’t be hearing any more whining from Melnyk about needing a casino for the team to survive ?

    • sben

      I still think there will be whining just not as much.

    • Tcharger

      Would still love for him to get one though….for no other reason than the process of awarding it has to be respected.

      • RUSH RLZ

        Yes and it could still be a great thing for Kanata, Ottawa, the Sens… everything.

        • bluebuyyoo

          Exactly why it will never happen. If it makes sense and will benefit the city, our fearless city leaders will be sure to fuck it up.

          • Tcharger

            Hahaha or do 456 studies/reboots in turn costing the city/tax payers more money than the value of the project.

          • RUSH RLZ

            There is an election this fall. Hopefully people don’t forget what an arrogant, process defying piece of shit that Watson is.

          • Tcharger

            Didn’t vote for him last time…won’t be voting for him this time

          • Jayme Reid

            Thing is you could end up with a council is far worse.

        • Robert Lepage

          Not quite. Casino’s have a net negative impact on the economy and society. There’s a reason why so many cities refuse them, and it’s not “incompetent government”.

          • Tcharger

            Meh, if people aren’t capable of taking care of their own shit why should everyone else who doesn’t need to be babysat have to suffer?

          • Sensnation

            Suffer? No one’s saying you can’t gamble! Such a shitty view of other people though, sorry you feel that way.

          • Tcharger

            Suffer was a poor word choice….but lets have an example.

            Its friday night, I feel like going out, and want to go spend a few bucks playing cards…I now need to go to another province and put my money into their economy. Suddenly it is far less appealing for me as someone who is capable of gambling responsibly to go and spend my money doing such….yet the person who is an addict, and losing the shirt off of their back is still going to make their way to Hull.

            May as well have the benefits go towards our city.

          • Sensnation

            Ah ok, that part does make some sense, but there’s no need to have it tied to the team if there is going to be one in Ottawa.

          • Tcharger

            I highly doubt that Melnyk intends on naming the casino(on the off chance he gets one) The Ottawa Senators Casino. It would just have the same financial backer as the Ottawa Senators. I don’t see any benefit to having the two entities directly linked

          • Sensnation

            You may not, but Melnyk’s did.

          • Tcharger

            The more I think about it the more I see some use(and some potential crossover)…lets say he brings in a big show to the casino theater(purely speculating that they would have one)…you have a ticket to a Sens game in the last month you receive a $20 discount off of show X.

            Further injecting money into the local(not quebec) economy. Sens gain by ticket sales, casino gains by ticket sales, the consumer gains by getting a discount on a ticket that they would have been buying anyway.

          • Sensnation

            Yes that would happen, but to such an extent it is no longer a benefit to the consumer. This is my point those “deals” would be shoved down your throat until the day you can’t buy a sens ticket for a reasonable price without also going to the casino.

            Bottom line it’s a bad marriage to have between those 2 types of businesses. That is my only point!

          • Tcharger

            If Mr Joe Blow built a casino in Kanata relatively close to the stadium(there is TONNES of space so not that unlikely) I would say the likelihood of 18 000 people pouring into the casino owned by Melnyk is no larger than if Mr Joe Blow owned the casino.

            The people who would be going, will be going regardless, they couldn’t give two shits who owns the casino….Hell I would honestly be willing to bet money(hahaha) that 75% of the people would have absolutely no clue that Melnyk owned both the Sens and the casino. (I say this because without googling who owns the hull casino?)

          • Sensnation

            I think your missing my points then. The fact that he’d own both the Sens (which is why most of us even know who he is) and an adjacent casino is my problem. Everyone would know he’s the owner, can’t compare it to the Hull situation, and no I don’t know who owns the Hull casino.

            When you go to a game all you’d hear about is the casino. There’d be promotions, adds beyond what a normal advertising partner would receive/pay for. It would be next level cross promotion that imo goes beyond what is in the best interest of society and people’s well being.

          • PraiseAlfie11

            You know what this city needs? It needs a great mid-tier concert venue with bars around it.

            I dont think this would cannabalize CTC concerts.

          • Robert Lepage

            Because it affects you too. Increased taxes for infrastructure, policing and crime, depreciation of local property values, and increased demand for healthcare services. There’s a whole list of negative ramifications which do not occur in a void.

            And you also disregard the severity of the problems of addiction and mental illness. No one chooses to be addicted to gambling.

            Besides, if you need your fix, Lac Leamy is right around the corner.

          • Sensnation

            He needs it in Kanata, just not in HIS backyard, you know. It’s a ME FIRST world out there now I guess.

          • Tcharger

            Now?!?!? What sort of Utopian delusional world have you been living in since birth?

            It has always been a me first world….and as I have explained, why would I want to give money to Quebec when there could be an option to keep my money in the local economy.

          • Sensnation

            Guess I’m just catching up, I grew up in a world where people cared about each other, their community, their city, their country.

          • Tcharger

            Yes…and a Casino in OTTAWA(not hull) would contribute 100s(if not 1000s) of jobs to the local economy, have money being re-injected into our city and community.

            I think really the only thing we are disagreeing on is the cost/benefit to society.

          • Sensnation

            I’m not against Casinos overall, or gambling, I’m against a pro sports team depending on a Casino. It blurs too many lines about what’s right and wrong when advertising and creating promotions imo.

          • RUSH RLZ

            Exactly… LOL. Enormous benefits to job production, economy, local business and tourism… some people here seem to think they are some sort of social and economic experts. A modern, well run Casino is NOT like having a free meth dispensary, will not burn down the local neighborhoods and destroy society. People can gamble already, abuse other bad habits already, there are support groups and government funding already for everything from alcohol to gambling addiction…

            This sucker would bring massive economic benefits for the city and the team…

          • Jayme Reid

            Plus millions of dollars meaning less tax.

          • PraiseAlfie11

            Your parents lied to you. It’s all about being better than the next guy and not letting him take what is rightfully yours.

            Having lived both sides, the fairy tale that we look after each other is a fantasy. Want proof? Go to a loblaws or walmart on saturday afternoon :)

          • Sensnation

            It was supposed to be about being the best person you can be. Not letting them take what is rightfully yours, doesn’t mean you have to not care about others.

          • PraiseAlfie11

            Sensnation, I respect your viewpoint. All the best.

          • RUSH RLZ

            LOL. People support a responsibly run, awesome, modern, wonderful casino and attractions. … but I guess that means we dson’t care about each other and our country? Haha!

          • Sensnation

            Are you having trouble reading? It’s been straight up said people on here don’t care about others and they thought that was the way of the world. Nice to know you have no such care about others though and understand what you’re laughing at.

          • Tcharger

            It isnt about not caring about others(although I do somewhat agree with this statement but it is a far less black and white discussion than is being made out to be here….and this is a hockey blog, so not about to get into a philosophical discussion on here )….an addict will go and gamble already, someone who wants to get together and get away from the family with the boys for a few hours of cards, may very well not do so as they don’t feel like driving to hull(I know I sure don’t)

          • Sensnation

            I respect that, but I think a lot of the other things I’ve said are more important to the benefits of society with regards to the type of relationship that would exist in this specific Melnyk owning both scenario.

            I’m really not a politically correct person, I just think this would’ve been a self destructive marriage for society and I do care about you, and everyone else in our society, just how I am.

          • Jayme Reid

            As for crime rates and value of property thats a more of a factor around underground casinos when you have state run casinos those are really not issues as healthcare service with a new casino there would not be any more of a demand.

          • Robert Lepage
          • Jayme Reid

            Thats Western Canada look at Gatneau is the crime rate around the casino any higher no are property values down no in fact on of the fastest growing areas is where the casino is.

          • Jayme Reid

            The idea if you don’t have a casino there will be no issues is a myth people will find a way to gamble besides the way Casinos are run now are far better then 50 years ago.

          • RUSH RLZ

            You are so full of it, it’s not even funny. Number one we didn’t REFUSE a casino, we are recommending one for the RCR without proper due diligence or bidding! Second, TCharger is right, people need to know how to responsibly enjoy McDonalds, booze, smokes, drugs… gambling is no different and probably has the most support / coping channels associated with it in Canada.

            I live in Kanata, it would be great for the west end and the city in general.

          • Sensnation

            “people need to know how to responsibly enjoy McDonalds, booze, liquor, drugs” –> that’s quite the statement, put the whole responsibility on people who obviously have difficulty with it, as is HUMAN NATURE, and feel like it’s their problem.

            I really thought we were all in this life together …

          • RUSH RLZ

            Oh boo-hoo because I acknowledge most people out there have bad habits. I never said to destroy all the fat people and addicts…

            I really thought we were all in this life together?!

            I wish I was drinking too but still on the clock until 5.

          • Sensnation

            Wow, you guys have really given up on your fellow man. Really sorry to hear that. You know we are in a socialist country right? Has US’s influence really come this far in the last decade that we now don’t give a shit about anyone else?

          • Robert Lepage

            So the crux of your argument is that since there are already sufficient support groups, it’s acceptable to encourage gambling- human psychology be damned.

            We’ll let that one sink in…

          • PraiseAlfie11

            Same garbage that people were using to try blocking the sens from Ottawa.

          • Sandy

            Same could be said for lottery tickets.. hell even Bingo halls.

      • Sensnation

        I’m not saying the process was fair, but Melnyk shouldn’t have felt that a casino was the solution. For all the politically correct ties sports organisations are supposed to hold, forcing a casino down the throats of hockey fans would have been pretty disgusting. Find a revenue stream that actually helps people instead of robs them blind.

        • Jayme Reid

          People gamble no matter if you have a casino or not.

          • Sensnation

            There’s a difference between having a casino and forcing it down people’s throats. If you see gambling as an addiction in even the slightest, that would be the least politically correct relationship with this team.

          • Jayme Reid

            The thing with having casino is you can try and control things when people gamble online or go to under ground casinos you have no control.

          • Sensnation

            We have a casino in Hull and a race track/slots. It’s not like we’re missing out here.

            My main point is the relationship with the sens would’ve been a shove it in your face one, as oppose to the acceptable “hey we have a casino, stop by if you want”. Not something you want with a sports team

          • Tcharger

            We do not have a Casino in Hull…Quebec does.

          • Sensnation

            We as Canadians do! Not sure why they’re not letting you in, maybe there’s a problem with your visa ;)

          • Tcharger

            Correct me if I am wrong but the Alcohol and Gambling commission of Ontario has absolutely nothing to do with Quebec( would assume that they have a similar board/committee)

            I could be wrong, but I do not believe Ontario gains anything(or if we do it is a trivial percentage) of the financial gain that Quebec gains from the Hull casino.

          • Sensnation

            I’m not talking gains here Tcharger, not sure what I missed here for you to jump to this point, but I really am not sure. Is your point more that you want one in Ottawa so that the money goes back to the local economy you care about? I have no issues with that, my only issue is Melnyk owning the team and an adjacent casino. If weed becomes legal will we want him to own the biggest dispensary and put it right beside CTC as well?

            It’s just not a mix of businesses that is conducive towards the best interest of society. (man I sound like my grandparents now)

          • Jayme Reid

            But some would say telling people what they can or can’t do is not in the best interest.

          • Sensnation

            Everything in life is people telling each other what they can or can’t do. Not sure I understood what you’re getting at?

          • Jayme Reid

            Ontario gets nothing from Quebec but pays for treatment.

          • Jayme Reid

            We lose millions of dollars to Quebec.

          • Sensnation

            Lose? You mean because we travel there to gamble? In that line, every time someone takes a trip or vacation we lose money. Not every attraction in the world needs to be replicated in every city.

          • Tcharger

            Lose because millions of ontarians(is that a word?) are spending their money unnecessarily in quebec. (which in turn forces the city of Ottawa to charge its residents more taxes)

          • Sensnation

            I don’t know about that, such a convoluted way to look at it. I do not believe every city needs it’s own casino, but I guess if the governments have turned to it as a source of income (additional tax) you can eventually get to that conclusion. Still doesn’t mean it needs to be in Kanata or that Melnyk needs to own it though.

          • Robert Lepage

            And how, pray tell, does having Ontarians spend money in Québec require Ottawa to increase property taxes?.

          • Tcharger

            I guess a better way of wording what I said would be, if that money was going to Ottawa, then they wouldn’t have to increase our taxes

            (although seeing our gov’ts history who knows if it would happen…I would say we would be just as likely to see an increase as a decrease)

          • Sensnation

            Ya, I think they’d just find new ways to waste to the extra money. If it meant the difference 100% on my tax bill I’d be with you, but governments, especially in Ontario, do not normally run that way … unfortunately.

          • bluebuyyoo

            Why do you keep saying this? Do you have first hand knowledge of EM’s plans? Your main point is nothing more than an unsubstantiated opinion.

            The fact is that another casino *is* coming to the Ottawa area. Jimbo wanted it downtown until he realized that it was going to cost him votes. He then looked at the political landscape and chose the racetrack, effectively shutting out EM and anyone else interested in bidding.

          • Sensnation

            Haha, not even close to true. Unsubstantiated? Did you listen to Melnyk once in interviews about this?

            Fact is Melnyk said he needed the casino to make the Sens profitable based on the cross-promotions, events and other business ventures that would come up due to the relationship. That is a fact and that is what it’s based off of.

          • bluebuyyoo

            I did hear EM say that a casino was necessary and that he would have cross promotions. Likely a good business strategy. I guess I missed the bit about forcing it down our throats and forced cross promotions.

            Your statements are *your* opinions and are not substantiated by anything other than your own conjectures.

          • PraiseAlfie11

            I’m curious…how is having a casino on the property ( a very large property) ” forcing” anything?

          • Sensnation

            The relationship that would exist with Melnyk owning both would be that each one promotes the other to his benefit, not the consumers. It would be forced down our throats. The goal of the hockey financially, would be to then get you into the doors of the casino. Once you’re in they have you right where they want you. There would be forced cross-promotions as well.

            It’s really just not a healthy situation for society, let alone a pro sports hockey team in the most “politically correct” city in the league.

          • PraiseAlfie11

            Different take, but that makes the world go round.

            I see your point about cross promotion, but I don’t see that as forcing something on people. Now if they installed video lottery throughout the CTC, I would agree…to an extent, as the option remains to not use them.

          • Jayme Reid

            There are many thing thats are not healthy yet its only casinos people single out.

          • Sensnation

            It’s the one being discussed, I don’t think it’s the only one being singled out. It would just be so blatantly bad, like combining flight school with preschool. (don’t worry no one suggesting that … I think)

    • ottawasensfan

      A lot of people were quite down on Melnyk’s call for a casino and there is little doubt in my mind he could have gone about it much better than he did. I for one, don’t like casinos for all of the reasons that have been mentioned here. But, casinos are not going away. My problem with the casino debacle concerns how the city treats the Senators vs. other sporting enterprises:
      1) Whatever one thinks of the Lansdowne deal, it’s clear to me the city went out of its way to ensure there would a renovated Stadium. The developers are on record that their involvement with the project and the CFL team had to make business sense. The point being, the city worked with those people to ensure a stadium and the return of the CFL.
      2) The city kept the casino at the racetrack to keep the racetrack alive and vibrant.
      There is nothing wrong with the above two decisions but I am left asking what is the city doing for the Senators. Whether you are a hockey fan or not, there are clear benefits to a city having an NHL team. Putting aside the economic benefits that many question, it clearly enhances civic pride, brings joy to its citizens and puts the city on the map in terms of North American recognition.
      Many would question locating the casino so far away from downtown and that is a reasonable question but it also applies to the racetrack. It’s 19.5 km from Parliament Hill and a 22 minute drive according to Google Maps. The CTR is 27 km but also a 22 minute drive and last I checked, there’s more going on near the CTR in terms of commercial development and hotels.
      The city needs to ask itself, why they are supporting Lansdowne redevelopment/The Redblacks and horse racing, while not doing much for the Senators (sorry, but the additional mass transit options are not at the same level).
      The new TV deal is great but North American sports (rightly or wrongly) now depends on cities stepping up to the plate financially. I don’t know how many arenas there are in the NHL that are completely paid for by the private sector but there will not be many new ones going forward outside of a handful of cities like Toronto, New York, Montreal, Philadelphia, Boston, Chicago, and Los Angeles. I may have missed some but for at least 2/3rds of the league those buildings don’t work financially under the NHL’s current economic model. In another 10-15 years, Ottawa will start to need to consider how the CTR will either be replaced or undergo a significant renovation. I don’t see that happening without city money. Before then, the city needs to get into the game in a real way to ensure this franchise is here long-term.
      The dollar is dropping and the cap is going up. At some point, the TV deal is not going to be substantially much different than the current one when we compare it with the cap and other team expenses. With Ottawa’s increasing population, attendance may sort itself out. But right now it’s not what it should be. I don’t blame Melnyk as so many other’s do for the teams financial situation. Looking around at the crowds (or lack thereof), I am not surprised where our budget is right now. What I want in an owner is financial stability, and one who lets hockey people do their thing. There are some questions there with Melnyk but I certainly don’t begrudge him from wanting to earn a profit and don’t expect him to subsdize the team.

      My 2 cents.

  • RUSH RLZ

    This should mean and hopefully WILL mean we can spend more, but with deals like this occurring, the national broadcast deals… this all works it’s way into the salary cap and the players get their cut.

    Either way between the two deals that impact us, we are going from about $10M per year to over $40M. Even if The Euge really has been losing $10M per season, this immediately puts him $20M in the black.

  • Aaron 2.0

    Sounds like the Sens did great on this deal! I know everybody will start talking about having more money for players. That might be true. But, with the Canadian $ down (from over $1.00 to about $0.90), this might not necessarily be the case. Most economists expect it might dip lower too. I’d really love to know what the Senators financial situation actually is. I doubt we will ever get a decent picture though, aside from conflicting reports.

    • sben

      One thing we do know is that the sens will be making money and not losing.

      • Aaron 2.0

        Sounds about right. 30 million deal over the current 7 million deal, for an extra 23 million. Paying salaries probably about 10% more than about a year ago (cap hit is 71 million next year – so, about an extra 7 million needed for salaries for a Candian team spending to the cap (which we won’t do). I have no clue what we were losing, but I imagine this would put the team in the green.

        • PraiseAlfie11

          Not to be a grammar police DB, but the term is “in the black” (Profitable) or in the red ( losing money)

          Take it for what it’s worth :)

    • Sensnation

      Really good point Aaron, I think a lot of people see the figures today and ignore a lot of others to come to their conclusions.

      1. This money is not coming in for this season.
      2. These new tv deals are going to force the cap up, and we’re not talking a small amount, it could jump close to 80 million on the upper cap.
      3. If 50% of team revenue (PER CBA) goes to players, about only half of the annual increase in this deal will actually go to salary.
      4. Daily costs of running the team will continue to go up with inflation
      5. This deal may remove the sens from any Revenue Sharing program in future years as it may make them profitable on their own, which is good, but doesn’t mean the situation will be as far ahead of now as people are calculating.

      • Jayme Reid

        If the dollar does not get stronger the cap won’t go up that mush.

      • Aaron 2.0

        Yeah, you did a much better job than I could do at making such a nice extensive list of all the factors surrounding this. I’m sure the deal is huge for the team. But, people shouldn’t expect it to be a magic pill that solves all of our problems. Having said that, i’m hopeful it can help move us away from the floor (definitely not expecting us to become a cap team – and as you pointed out, with all these new deals, the cap will be rising substantially).

        • Sensnation

          Definitely!

          I get the feeling anyone signed longterm right now is going to be a steal in 5 years. Until there’s expansion it’s a bigger pie going to the same number of players, damn salaries are going to skyrocket in a year or two.

      • Sandy

        I read on a TSN tweet about a week ago.. that the fall in the Cdn dollar could lower to cap limit by about 1M-1.5M..

        • Sensnation

          That’s a good start to try and help keep it in line! Nice find Sandy!

  • Millennium

    IS this what it feels like to cheer for a team with money???

    I kinda like it

    • SensChirp

      “Cyril Leeder says this is the most significant financial deal in club history.”

  • sben

    the lines for today (sylvain st.laurent):

    Michalek-Spezza-Conacher, MacArthur-Turris-Ryan, Greening-Zibanejad-Neil, Kassian-Da Costa-Condra. Smith and Phillips absent.

    stone wearing non-contact jersey.

    • Tcharger

      OMG hopefully line 4 plays less than 1 minute

    • SensChirp

      I think we’ve learned that reacting to practice line combinations is sort of a waste of time. No way those are the combos when puck drops tomorrow night.

      • Aaron 2.0

        Lol. Good point. I’m going to stop blowing so much wind about them before games until I actually see what they look like. I really liked our lines last night. Would like to see more minutes for our top 6 still.

    • Hax

      Typical MacLean preaching system first, chemistry second. Which I agree with. Though I will say that Zibanejad has looked great before with Neil on his wing.

  • CrazyFish

    The only thing that sucks is I will have to have to keep my bigger cable package that includes TSN/2, I was looking at cancelling that after this season.

    Does anyone know if Game Center shows the intermission shows? On TSN this is actually worth watching unlike Sportsnet.

    • Steeler666

      hockeystreams.com does.

      • CrazyFish

        Really surprised this site hasn’t been shutdown, it’s not a legal source.

        • PraiseAlfie11

          Just say no, crazyfish.

  • sben

    shitpotvinsays tweet: “Does anyone have @tsnjamesduthie’s phone number? I need to talk to someone. #BellLetsTalk” lol

  • sben

    pic.twitter.com/qhvirqvJ1p

    • Alcatraz

      Oh Mike Commodore, forever giving us laughter

  • Jordan

    Huge Sens fan here in Saskatchewan. Im just wondering what this means for me. Am I still going to have to buy the nhl centre ice package or are there going to be lots of sens games on basic cable tsn and tsn 2? I have shaw cable by the way.

    • Alcatraz

      from what I gather you will need Centre Ice for access to all regional games for any teams
      If you get Sportsnet channels then you get to watch the nationally broadcasted games according to that deal

  • Dirk-Diggler

    I’d assume that means for next year RSN carries all the Wed, Sat and Sun
    (I think that was the deal) and any games not on those days they will
    be on TSN which will be broadcast regionally. I am fine with that too
    though since so many Sens games are on Tuesday or Thursday.

    I think the $33/yr won’t be realized but let’s say it’s even $20/yr
    that’s a bump from the apparent $7 we are getting now. Bad news however
    is that after taxes and covering the $10 in losses we apparently have
    ongoing we are basically at break even.

    I tweeted yesterday and tagged Paul Bernie (the new head of ticket
    sales) that I am happy for the Sens but that they better reinvest that
    into on ice product. Also, I am happy that I renewed my full season
    tickets for next season.

    Go Sens Go!

    • Jayme Reid

      I think it will be around $33 million plus the $15 million from the National deal there in good shape.

      • karlssens

        That’s true! I forgot about the national deal too! I swear if Euge doesn’t spend…

        • Jayme Reid

          I want them to invest in players but also fix the rink up.

          • Sensnation

            First comment I’ve noticed to this effect and I like it!

      • Sensnation

        33.3 mil figure that’s being floated in the media sounds like a max, not a min

        It doesn’t all go into salary though. Hopefully fans are approaching this with a reasonable expectation and not that our team will suddenly spend to a 70 or 80+ mil cap.

        • CUP 2014-15

          With you 100% but this team will have a hard time getting to the floor of the est. 60M next year. 16 players signed for 48.6 M.

      • sben
        • Sensnation

          Nice link, thx sben. I think his breakdown is a best case scenario max though.

          Funny how everyone ignores Garrioch, until he quotes the only numbers out there. Why are they believable now? Just saying :)

          • sben

            the sun will do anything to get attention. I wouldn’t be suprised if he spurted those numbers out of his ass and had no real idea. Probably basing it on similar deals with other teams.

  • sben

    brent wallace: “TSN has not made a decision yet on who will be the voice of the Sens
    broadcasts…that will get sorted out over the next couple of months.”
    Please, no potvin.

  • Tcharger

    Brent Wallace ‏@tsn_wally 10m
    Sens fans should expect to see all the games shown on the main TSN channel. The feed will be split for the rest of the country

    SOOOOO does this mean I can cancel my TSN2 pkg next year?!?!

    • MethotToMyMadness

      Right now, for anyone in Ottawa who watches Sportsnet for the games, they can see the Sens. The same is true for the East Coast. So I wonder how that will affect East Coast viewers with TSN, maybe they’ll need TSN2.

  • Phoenix

    This is great for the Sens but it still sucks that as a fan in rural southern alberta with bell I guess I am not able to watch the games.

    • spezzerman

      How many can you watch now?

      • Phoenix

        All sens games when they are on cbc as i am able to get the regional ottawa broadcast on bell. When the sens are on tsn I am also able to get them because of the national game. If I want to watch the national game next i will need to upgrade to get sportsnet. Hopefully bell follows suit with cbc to have regional channel that can be seen across the country. At the moment it looks like its just cbc on Saturdays based on current programming.

    • Jordan

      Im in the same boat buddy. I use the centre ice package.

      • Phoenix

        I got rid of center ice because the cost wasn’t worth it for just sens games.

  • Hax

    Anyone seen any intelligent guesses about whether or not this TSN deal is worth a lot more than the current Sportsnet one? I assume it is but let’s not assume our $50M internal cap just jumped to $80M.

    • Alcatraz

      I believe Chirp already said its around triple the current deal? I want to Say Sportsnet was $7 mill a year now we closer to $30?

      • Hax

        Thanks – that seems to be the consensus. A nice shot in the arm for sure.

        • Sensnation

          Those are definitely the numbers being floated, but don’t forget they are maxes, not minimums, on the new deal.

    • RUSH RLZ

      Like I was saying earlier, we can estimate that this and the national deal puts Melnyk about $30M ahead where he has been crying $10M in losses, so that would put us around $20M surplus in his eyes…

      Thing is, with all these deals.. increased revenue…. cap inflation, that sucker will be going up big time.

      Crazy good deals like this for us, have to be a sickening blow to some other non-Canadian franchises that are struggling.

      For now I hope we tack on 20 or 25 million in salary, these past several months have been beyond depressing hearing about all this budget shit.

  • 383

    Not to go COMPLETELY off topic, but for any of you who ever trust anything that “other blogger” (Eklund) says, he doesn’t even know how the playoff format works.

    “The Rangers are in the playoff hunt still. Hell, they are in the playoffs! They are currently in the 6th seed and if the playoffs were to start today they would face the Lightning…if they move up a few points they could find themselves playing Montreal or Toronto.”
    WRONG!
    Call me crazy, but if you run a hockey blog with apparent “inside information” maybe take a couple minutes from September-Now to learn the playoff format?!
    Oh, GO SENS GO!!!!!!!
    BIG GAME TOMORROW BOYS!! aiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiie!

    • CUP 2014-15

      Someone has to send it to him in a graph with “underlying numbers”

  • Tony

    Lets not get ahead of ourselves… obviously the internal
    budget won’t be going up 30M

    It will most likely be $30M less (Amount of previous deal –around
    10M) less (what Melnyk’s supposedly losses in a year – around 11M) less other
    costs associated with this deal…

    So we’re probably looking more at a 4-8M increase in the
    internal budget… If Melnyk is aiming to “Break even” each year.

    • Millennium

      The budget couldn’t go up 30M a year, there isn’t that much cap room on the team. consider a 4-8M/yr increase as about 75% of current available cap space. That’s considerable.

      • Sensnation

        Wait until a year or two after all these deals start paying out. Cap will easily be in the 80mil range at this pace within 2-3years. Talk is it could be north of 70 next year.

        • Millennium

          which is about 7M over this year. At the very least, this deal with ensure we can continue a semblance of a competitive roster in that environment.

          • Sensnation

            I’m hoping so, the numbers look good, but the math is getting scary. At 80mil cap, Ovechkin’s contract looks favorable! Imagine when/if that becomes the new norm for regular stars instead of superstars.

          • Millennium

            Its true this deal doesn’t solve every money problem for Melnyk. If the cap rises to 80 like some are saying, EM might find himself out of his league money-wise, unless his business ventures improve dramatically.

          • peetypuck

            The Sens were valued at $380 million recently. With the Rogers and TSN TV deals the Sens are probably worth north of $500 million now. That’s a 500 % increase in just over 10 years for Melnyk.

          • Sensnation

            He saved this team from the brink and will reap the rewards long term as well as likely cement his name in this city well beyond his lifetime. Really impressive from even just a pure business standpoint!

            And on top of that he owns the profitable CTC separately, and paid almost nothing for it!

            If only I were a millionaire when they had come up for sale ;)

          • peetypuck

            He certainly has good timing when it comes to hockey. Whoever would have thought the Sens would ever be worth that much?

          • Sensnation

            Agreed. Really wish that fan ownership idea had taken place, we’d all be rich instead :)

          • peetypuck

            He deserves it. He rescued our beloved Sens. I can’t picture not having the team in Ottawa.

        • Senatollah

          yup. better hope Quebec City, Hamilton and any other hockey mad city doesn’t get a team in the near future. Salary Cap tied to league revenues…better to have the panthers and yotes lowering league revenue and surviving on local subsidies and revenue sharing.

          • Sensnation

            Very true! It may actually be a good thing that they are targeting those big tv markets in the western US that don’t care about hockey as much (Seattle, KC). They could add 2 teams that help keep the HRR inflation within reason, at least to start.

            Though I’d be worried about a Vegas team as I think it would be successful and skyrocket average team revenue, along with the normal aversions to wanting to put pro sports team there.

        • peetypuck

          Don’t forget that spending on one or two top players could put the team into a contender. Every playoff game helps pay back the additional investment. Go three rounds and the team is making more profit than the extra they spent.

          • Sensnation

            The only other part is that the cost of those players will continue to rise with the cap until there are more expansion teams. Bigger pot, same number of players. Don’t be surprised to see one of these next years where all payers get an additional check from owners to get to 50% of HRR.

            Personally I think most GMs who sign key players under 7 mil long term right now, will look like geniuses in 2-5 years.

    • peetypuck

      Don’t forget the new Rogers national TV deal. That’s worth another $10 million (very conservative estimate). The TV deals will now pay most of the players’ salary. I can guarantee that Bryan, Pierre and the scouting staff weren’t discussing whether they could afford to get a cheap budget rental at their meetings.

  • spezzerman

    The Sun says the deal is worth upwards of 400M over 12 years with the deal likely being worth over 30M by the final year.

    That doesnt add up and doesnt make it sound like it is worth 30M per year right away but no matter what this is just such amazing news for the Sens. There is no way they can justify keeping the supposed budget status quo now. (FWIW Ive always thought it was for this year only following a 3 year plan in its final year)

  • FBP

    Steve Lloyd ‏@TSNSteveLloydnow
    Cyril Leeder confirms to #TheDrive on @TSN1200 that the new regional deal means the player budget will increase. #Sens

    • Hax

      That makes me as happy as that other guy was yesterday when we learned Phillips wasn’t playing.

      • FBP

        Trade for everybody!!!!

        • peetypuck

          Now that’s the right attitude.

    • spezzerman

      Awesome! That this is the first message out their mouths is so encouraging

    • Tcharger

      AWESOME

    • Sensnation

      Sben you see this? I think this is what you were hoping for!

      • sben

        I hope it is about a 5mil increase maximum. anything above about 7 mil will cause a risk of spending too much on a player.

        • SensChirp

          Why wouldn’t you just hope the money is spent wisely rather than hoping the increase is less?

          • Tcharger

            Are you new around here?

            Logic is not allowed to be followed….please learn the rules!

          • SensChirp

            Back to lurking for me. Sorry gang!

          • sben

            In my opinion it is the same thing because if you look at alot of the rich teams in the NHL when GMs are given too much money bad things happen. Also it doesn’t help the negotiation process I’m sure.

          • LeafsSux

            Huh?

          • The Apostle

            Sens Chirp Headline: Sens win Stanley Cup

            Forum response: Lifting the cup might hurt the backs of our players.

  • Mark

    I miss the days when I didn’t know any monetary details of any of the teams I supported. Now with social media, more bloggers, more news coverage; it’s hard to not know.
    From the teams inception until around 2002, I had no idea what any of the players made….all I knew was that Yashin wanted more money and Daigle was a waste of money. I also used to walk to school uphill both ways in a blizzard everyday……that’s how it was in my day, and gosh darnit……WE LOVED IT!!!

    • SensChirp

      Haha Mark drops by with the Comment of the Day!

  • Phoenix

    On a side not Phillips apparently has a limited NTC where he needs to submit a list of 10 teams we will accept a trade to.

    • Sensnation

      I heard he listed Ottawa 10 times!!!

    • boom

      Maybe he will just point to the teams he will go to…

    • Phoenix

      Sorry should ready will not accept a trade too. So Murray has 20 teams to work with

      • Sensnation

        Wow, that was a bit of a surprise about it being 20 not 10, but you are right. That’s a pretty favorable NTC for a GM, still has 2/3 of the league to work with and probably 7-8 out of 10 of those teams Phillips wouldn’t go to, BM wouldn’t have even considered sending him to based on how classy he treats veterans/lifers.

        Just noticed he had a NMC until Jan 1 2014, no wonder it’s open season on Phillips this month ;)

  • Hax

    Didn’t see this anywhere in the comments so:

    Anderson starts tomorrow, Phillips “doubtful”.

  • Al Avdovich

    Anyone have a sense of how this deal will mesh with Roger’s deal with respect to ability to view Sens games living within the Leaf catchment area? By the way, Leafs suck!

    • SuperSENS

      The games on TSN will be available to the same areas as under the existing regional agreement with Sportsnet that expires this year. Any games on Wednesday, Saturday, and Sunday that Rogers chooses to air next year will be available to everyone nationally.

      • sprucesens

        so the rest of the country still needs sportsnet east to be able to watch the sens then hey? Maybe SOME games on TSN, as they said the network will be split for the rest of the country..?

        • SuperSENS

          For the Senators national games (Wednesday, Saturday, Sunday), it really depends on what channel Rogers decides to air them. IIRC, they’ll have the choice of CBC (on Saturday nights), CityTV, Sportsnet (East/Ontario), and TVA. As for the regional games on TSN, if you fall within the Senators viewing region (i.e. Eastern and Northern Ontario, Quebec, Atlantic Canada and Newfoundland), you will see them on TSN; if not, then you’ll see alternate programming on TSN. The viewing region for the Senators isn’t changing with this agreement — i.e. if you can’t watch their regional games on Sportsnet now, then you won’t be watching them on TSN either next year.

          • sprucesens

            yeah, just strange, since I always get the sens games if they are on TSN as is. The only reason I can’t watch the sportsnet east games is because the channel isn’t offered on shaw. However it is on bell I believe. However, bell doesn’t have CBC Ottawa, which means I would miss every Saturday game, which is why I hadn’t switched. Maybe rogers will want that extra channel now, and force shaw to offer it. Then I would only have to get that package, rather than center ice. Thanks for the info though. Guess i’ll just have to wait and see what happens when the release the schedule, and decide on my provider then

          • Alan Burns

            Bell Satellite has CBC Ottawa.

            CBCOH
            1040

          • SuperSENS

            AFAIK, games on TSN currently fall under the current national agreement set to expire at the end of the year. Are you inside the Senators viewing region? If so, then you’ll get at least 52 games on TSN starting next year (which sounds like an improvement over your existing situation with your provider Shaw). Assuming the CBC is allowed to continue to stream the games online, there’s always that option to catch any games on there, if you end up switching to Bell — I know it’s not terribly ideal though.

  • MethotToMyMadness

    Sportsnet is bye bye, Hello TSN. I think we all saw it coming, TSN1200, and still broadcasting the radio games. Bell being so involved in the Sens, and even spotty game coverage by Sportsnet this year. The writing was on the wall. And the biggest hint of off, Ian Mendes moving over to TSN1200 radio! ;)

    I do wonder what this will mean for Sens coverage off the ice. Many of the TSN analysts are SO LEAF crazy it’s ridiculous. I hope this means we hear more about the Sens in regular sports coverage.

    In regards to last night, great overall game. I thought it was well fought back and forth, nail biting moments on both sides. Anderson stood tall when he needed too and we got some great work from key guys. Still very impressed with MacArthur and what he provides, such a good pickup in the off-season. If we can make a trade that brings in someone who is just like him to add on our other top line, I’d be more than happy.

    Happy to see Da Costa net a few, he’s been trying so hard. He did seem to calm down much more after that, letting his skill take over. There was a move behind the net when he was trying to steal the puck, where he tried to do some type of spin and loop with the puck. It almost worked, very creative.

  • Millennium

    Re Afternoon games, the team doesn’t want as many next year:

    From an email for season ticket holders:

    Schedule – This year’s schedule has been challenging. While we understand the need for an adjusted schedule due to the Olympics, 20 home games in November and December are a difficult ask for you and your partners to attend each of these games. In addition, the number of Saturday afternoon games have also been met with mixed reviews. In bringing these comments to team president Cyril Leeder, he has asked me to communicate the following: We are committed to as many Thursday through Sunday games as possible – this year we have 31 such home games. We hope to maintain or increase this number in the future. We will continue to host Saturday afternoon games, but are in agreement that seven such games is too many. Our preferred Saturday start time remains 7 p.m.

    • Hax

      I hope the new TSN deal somehow helps with our scheduling. I would think that conflicts with leaf games are part of the reason we got the shaft so much this season.

    • SuperSENS

      That’s good to hear.

    • GeeGee1313

      As a parent, I love the afternoon games because it’s good fun with the family.
      As a Sens fan, I hate the afternoon games.
      Catch 22.

  • SensChirp

    The Senators were in such a good position in these negotiations and capitalized. I imagine the negotiations went something like this except substitute “half” for “$400 mil”.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=st2a1X8CUSc

  • Gesharnais

    Vanek and Stewart please! Thanks.

  • sben

    fan increase= increase in revenue (including bigger broadcast deals) = salary cap increase

  • Tcharger

    SO Callahan(one of the few guys I would have any interest in this year) wants 7 years 42 million.

    If that is how much he wants it is too steep for my blood for what he brings.

    • spezzerman

      Dustin Brown money…

    • sben

      he’s nuts.

  • SensChirp

    Not one comment on the old TSN logo?!

    • SuperSENS

      I noticed it when I read your post this morning. Not a bad logo for its time.

    • my2sens

      I thought it was the next evolution in Chirp!

      Table, poll…. logo….

    • CUP 2014-15

      Ohhhhh! silly me I thought that was your lite-bright set.

  • esk

    stanley cup is coming..

  • sprucesens

    Brent Wallace ‏@tsn_wally 10m
    Sens fans should expect to see all the games shown on the main TSN channel. The feed will be split for the rest of the country
    so it says main tsn channel for sens fans, which is assumed regionally. Is there a separate tsn channel in Ottawa, like TSN-East? Or is it just the main TSN channel, will always plays the sens games?
    I live in Edmonton and cannot get sportsnet east with my current provider, and if I switch to one that does, I miss out on CBC-Ottawa, so all the Saturday games. But I do get TSN. So I would really love it if they played lots of the games on tsn across the country…or else my stupid provider picks up the sportsnet east feed!
    TSN= THE SENS NETWORK!

  • weirdcock

    People here do not understand the basic economics for owners in the NHL. Stop believing Melnyk when he claims that he is “losing” money. Annual “Profit” year to year does not indicate how much an owner is profiting. As with all other teams in the NHL, the owners “earn” money mostly by the increase in value of the team. Because of expenses, many teams in the league can sell out their stadiums yet still be in the red at the end of the year. However, this does not indicate how well a team is doing. The Ottawa Senators value has increased substantially every single year (just see Forbes for the exact numbers). Melnyk is an idiot and thinks by saving dollars with an internal salary cap, he will be better off financially. The fact is that if he were to spend more and win a stanley cup, for example, the value of the team would skyrocket. Not to mention the fact that you wouldn’t generate more revenue from corporate sponsorships, merchandise, etc…

    Baffles me why he doesn’t want to spend more. With phillips and michalek gone (7 milion in cap space) and with the cap increasing as well as the 10+ million free in cap space, this team should sign/ trade for 2 top 6 forwards in the offseason and make a run.

    • weirdcock

      With the cap increasing substantially over the next few years based on NHL revenue, players will start asking for way more money. By the time Turris and Karlsson’s contracts expire, they will be able to demand at least 6 and 10 million per season respectively. The time to win is now when you are paying them pennies while the cap continues to rise. Do the math people!

    • boom

      There’s so much wrong with your post, it’s had to know where to begin..

      “Annual “Profit” year to year does not indicate how much an owner is profiting”
      So, profit does not equal profit?..must be new math…

      “The fact is that if he were to spend more and win a stanley cup, for example, the value of the team would skyrocket”
      Why didn’t Melnyk think of that? All he needs to do is “spend money to win a stanley cup”. You’re right, he clearly is an idiot…

      • weirdcock

        the team is at a point where it needs to spend money. Like murray said: “put yourself over the top with free agency.”
        fool…..

  • Sandy

    So happy for the TSN deal… I watch Sportsnet — I like Dean Brown– but don’t like their panels. Their hockey shows are about 90% Leaf talk. Fans of the other Cdn teams.. are getting pretty sick and tired of this crap. I get they have the largest fan base in the NHL and are the richest team. but enough is enough..
    So taking conservative figures.. say 15M from Sportsnet… 30M for TSN.. less the 7M they were receiving with the current TV package.. the difference is 38M. Melnyk takes out his losses of 10M leaving 18M in his pocket. Even if he puts 10M back in the team for the player budget.. that’s enough for a really good player or 2 decent players = most likely a better team.. more wins.. more fans in the stands… playoffs.. maybe a couple of rounds.. = even more $$ in Euge’s pocket. You have to spend to make money.
    I personally would love a Casino at CTC. Spend about 30 min there waiting for the parking lots to empty… Maybe he can go over Watson’s head to the OLG to make his own bidding… His offer would be a lot better than the RCR..

  • Sandy

    A little off topic:

    Craig Anderson with a win over the Blue Jackets in Columbus moved him into second on the ‪#‎Sens‬ all-time wins list among goaltenders.

    • CUP 2014-15

      Afternoon Sandy, hope the hangover isn’t too bad. At least the boys got you a win on your B-Day. Hurts to think Andy is in second place after what amounts to a very small time period. Just shows how we have never been able to find that franchise Goal tender…………..Hello Robin, all records will be his in a few years.

      • Sandy

        Had about 3 glasses of wine… so no hangover… But yes, grateful for the win..

  • peetypuck

    I have a feeling that Bryan Murray will be getting a lot of phone calls from player agents now. There will be a few players interested in coming to Ottawa now that the Sens can afford them.

    • Sensnation

      Is there a way that all fans, media … pretty much the entire world … could hide the tv deal news from Lehner? They need to get this guy signed before the price tag becomes “futuristic”!

      • peetypuck

        Haha, when The Lehner speaks, everybody listens.

      • Zelle

        Actually this makes me wonder about how Lehner feels about being the #1 goalie for the Senators. Obviously he wants to be the starter, like all goalies, but does it mean more to him to be the Sens’ starter?

  • Righteous Smoke

    Matt Puempel has scored 10 Goals in his last 14 games and is tied for first in goals among AHL rookies at the moment. GO SENS GO!

    • peetypuck

      The kid seems to have figured it out in the AHL fairly quickly. Murray traded up to get him at #24. Looks like the scouting department gets another gold star.

  • FistsofNeil25

    Good riddens Sportsnet, helloooooo TSN! This is amazing news for the Sens and their fans. Sounds like a pretty lucrative contract they just scored themselves, and now our fans will no longer have to be exposed to the likes of Denis Potvin, Doug Maclean, Nick Kypreos, Jeff Marek among others.

    I wonder what this deal means for Shawn MacKenzie? He just started out with the Sens this season and in my opinion has done a fantastic job. He’s really though only bright spot in an otherwise boring ass game broadcast.

  • FistsofNeil25

    It will be interesting to see how much this TV deal actually impacts the team’s payroll. It’s easy for Cyril Leeder to say that this will increase the player budget, but how much? With an expected salary cap of 71 million for next season, the Sens are going to have to be willing to spend if they want to contend with the big boys.

    • Sandy

      They just need to sign the players they want to keep that are due new contracts.. And bring in a top 4 D and a good top 6 winger.. then they will be competitive..

      • PraiseAlfie11

        They are competitive today. What they aren’t is “elite”. IMO, we are more than 2 players away from “elite” status. We need our best players to be our best. A few guys (we all know who) are having rough years so far.

        As much as I dislike kypryos, he’s right when he says if the turris line is still the goto line after the olympics, we are in trouble…but just imagine if the turris line is the legit 2nd line? Wowsie!

    • Sensnation

      There’s going to be some stupid contracts on 2nd and 3rd liners this summer. Key is still to spend intelligently.

      Finding a trading partner is still our best bet to fill the top 6 in my opinion.

    • Sandy

      All they really need is an extra 15-20M to sign the players for next year they want.. and bring in a good top 4 D and a top 6 forward.. There should be enough out of this for that..

      • peetypuck

        If we really want to be contenders I think we need to get a top 2 d-man. Look at Chicago (Keith and Seabrook) and Anaheim in 2007 (Neidermeyer and Pronger). I think Murray could pry Shea Weber out of Nashville.

        • sprucesens

          not gonna happen. but what a dream that would be

          • peetypuck

            Never say never but yeah, it’s a real longshot. We can still hope.

  • LeafsSux

    TSN = Totally Sens Network.. ;)

    • Zelle

      Tremendous Sens Network!

      • LeafsSux

        Thee Sens Network..

  • Tim

    B-Sens up 3 zip. Hoffman with 2 goals, Robinson the other. Lawson back in net

    • 001010101111000101010111011010

      Claesson already PLUS 2 for the night

  • Tim

    3-2…let them right back in it…

    • Deadly

      Watching the game.Interesting how you don’t really notice Claussen.Plays a steady quiet game.

  • Dirk-Diggler

    Maybe we can use some of the extra cash to get a guy like Dan Boyle on a 2 year deal…

    • Deadly

      Another defenceman.How old is Boyle?

    • Not YOUR Wingman

      SHUDDER

  • Deadly

    Chirp,do you think Hoffman will get a look this year?

    • sprucesens

      it would be awesome if he did, but it seems like the writing is on the wall for him. Whenever he is up, we don’t give him a chance to produce. He gets smith, neil, greening, condra as linemates. He needs to play with turris, zib, spezza, macA, ryan and so on to be of use. I hope we give him that shot. He’s more than earned it

      • Deadly

        To date,his call ups have been unfair to him although injuries stopped him twice.

  • MoeDozer

    you gotta figure with puempel’s recent break out followed by Prince’s hatrick last game and now hoffman’s hatrick..call ups will be made soon.

    ive said it before, ive never been a fan of stone, just like da costa. they have top 6 NHL smarts/skill but lack so much physical ability whether its size or skating.

    as much as i would love to add another winger, if it was my choice, id add a top 4 Dman then look right at our barn for offensive help.

    hope we can cash in on some of these guys that we dont see room for in a major quantity for quality trade.

  • Tim

    Great job opening it back up.

    • Deadly

      You mean the lead over Wilkes Barre?

  • Deadly

    Puempel and Prince are first year pros so they may have to wait a bit. I think the team will want to give Stone a good look before deciding his future. I think De Costa may end up in Buffalo next year.

  • CUP 2014-15

    We can all hate Gary Bettman all we want, how much do you think the owners love this guy today. The NHL is becoming or maybe already has become the 2nd most successful and stable of all leagues. The NFL is simply over the top in all areas period.
    Great day to be a Sens Fan, the team has a boat load of cash to put what should be an end of money being an issue of signing a UFA, or more importantly at this point, a big contract with term for a player who is earning his paycheck.
    Great job by management to have this much cap space. Top young talent on long term at a steal. New young talent about to sign long term. Cap space to resign any of the vets you want.
    A big win on the road last night. Can feel BM is going to pull the trigger in the next 48.
    Big game tomorrow night. GSG.

    • Sandy

      The don’t really have to spend to the Cap. Sign what players you want this summer — and have $$ or trade for a top 4 D and a top 6 winger..

  • peetypuck

    This summer the only significant players that we need to re-sign are The Lehner and Bobby Ryan. Phillips and Michalek will probably be allowed to become free agents or get traded.

    • Cicero

      Ryan is already signed for one more year.

      • sprucesens

        but they can sign him again come july 1. i think lehner as well? or does he still have another year. Either way, both will be inked i’m sure

        • Hax

          capgeek.com/senators

          Lehner is RFA as of July 1st so we can extend him any time.

          Ryan starts the last year of his current contract on July 1st so anytime after that we can extend him. Of course Spezza, Methot and MacArthur are all in the same boat as Ryan and guys we should probably try to extend as well. Anderson too but I expect he’ll be traded.

          • Tooks

            Yes, we need to get both those studs (Ryan, Lehner) signed!

  • son of a Diefenbaker

    Claesson +3 tonight – now leads AHL with +30

  • Dirk-Diggler

    So Melnyk said the new deal is not a reason to spend :(

    This team will never be a true contender with Eugene Melnyk as it’s owner.

    • FBP

      He really is a buzz kill. Even if he isn’t going to spend the money to compete couldn’t he just shut up about it and let us dream for more than 12 hours?

      • Dirk-Diggler
      • SensChirp

        Just say “It will help us contend for the Stanley Cup” and leave it that. Jesus. Sales staff is in the middle of season seat renewals. Let people get excited about the product. What in the hell is he thinking?

        • Dirk-Diggler

          He’s not thinking… he’s probably sauced… I mean it’s 8:44 am here so it’s time to party!

        • Tcharger

          I refuse to believe this…or it has to be being misrepresented.

          Like did they chose to leave out a “this doesn’t mean spend recklessly “

          • Sens-fan-in-mtl

            The quote is : We’re still going to spend wisely,” he said, suggesting he does not intend to shell out the maximum permitted under salary cap rules.

            don’t think it is that bad, he is just saying he will not go crazy with the extra cash.

          • SensChirp

            Why does he need to say that? Just let your fans be excited. Yeeeeeeeesh

          • Tcharger

            I have no problem with keeping fans expectations in check(our fanbase does tend to be fairly ridiculous at times

          • Hax

            Melnyk really does need someone to speak for him. I agree with others that his comment isn’t that bad and really we SHOULD continue to spend wisely (just more). But man his timing is brutal. Better to have said nothing.

          • spezzerman

            spending on UFA’s is a fools game 99% of the time. All fans want to see is the guys we currently have get extended.

            But I think its reasonable for ownership to temper expectations a bit.

          • peetypuck

            The TSN deal is for 52 games. That still leaves 30 more or almost 40% of the games to be broadcast. Are they going to be shown on Rogers national broadcast? Won’t they have to be compensated for these games by more than the 1/30th equal share among all of the teams.

  • SenaTHOR

    Im starting to wonder if Ceci’s offensive hype is starting to dwindle. He plays on the PP but his point production is around other defensive guys. I like his defensive play most of the time even though his strength seems to need some work as he loses quite a few battles around the net. He has made a difference.

    • SensChirp

      He’s 20.

      • SenaTHOR

        True but gifted scorers find a way to score and he has had some great chances that he has buried in the goalies chest.

        • Tooks

          PW46 gets no love from the coach…While #2 plays 20 minutes a game…sigh…

          • SensChirp

            Alright, who left the dang gate open?!

          • Tooks

            There’s only so long a man can wait…

          • SenaTHOR

            Im not a huge fan of PW mostly because of his weakness along the boards. He does position well(as seen in last game}. I hope he can get stronger because that is his achilles heel. I really like the fact that Karlsson has started to make some contact to separate players from the puck and then gain possession. It makes the opposition keep their head up. Cowen is warm-ice cold as far as his play. A lot of times he can’t make and carry out a quick decision but then again it is a fast game where .3 sec may be the difference in making a play.

  • Tooks

    Is Blake Wheeler available in Winnipeg, I know they are starting to put things together but how good would he look next to Spezza and Mika.

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  • MethotToMyMadness

    Looking at the available players and all the talk about Vanek and his agent coming to a decision on where he will go. If Ottawa wants to make a MASSIVE move, to get a top end goal scorer, Vanek is the guy! What do you think it would cost?

    • Tooks

      I dont know, I wanted Vanek when he was being shopped around but now that I think about it, I would much rather have guys with great compete levels who are younger and have a nice contract. Perron from EDM or Wheeler from WIN. Vanek is already 29, would fit more as a rental.

      I think Perron would be an amazing fit. Guy is like Turris 2.0 + the grit. He’s doing amazing in EDM, imaging in OTT next to Spezza, Mika/Stone, or put him with Turris and CMac with Spezza, Mika.

    • RUSH RLZ

      One thing about Vanek and I’m not sure the Isles are entirely pleased, but he said if he got traded he would still be open to coming back to Long Island at free agency.

      Diminishes his value, a bit at least.

  • spezzerman

    How do you jump to the conclusion that we will not spend recklessly means we will not spend at all?

    • SensChirp

      It’s a good question. And I think it’s because we’ve heard the same sort of language for past couple seasons and seen how that translates into action. All Melnyk had to do was say that this deal will help us contend in the future.

      Nobody wants reckless spending. But they want to know that as much money that’s needed to build a winner will be made available.

      • Senatollah

        Have we been able to put a list of players that wouldn’t sign with us because we have “no money”? We have a young roster, many to be resigned, if the cap increases modestly the sens could find themselves in the Chicago setting of not able to keep core players under the cap.
        Also, Ottawa (Canada based teams) has a difficult situation when it comes to taxes and the take home dollar difference. So any free agents if they were desirable (to other teams) would have to be overpaid. Not often going to find diamonds in the rough like player 16…

      • spezzerman

        that was the first thing out of Leeders mouth and Melnyk didnt stray from that. I do agree though, Melnyk should not have said anything at all since he is a lightning rod.

        And, during a rebuild, you generally dont blow your future budget by signing over paid UFA’s. There was a plan and they stuck to it.

        The big test will be this summer when the big guys need to be resigned.

      • spezzerman

        worthy to point out as well that before his “we will not spend recklessly” comment, he started off with “This puts us on solid footing…we are going to be competitive with spending on players.”

  • Dirk-Diggler

    We need a game day post! Also a post of all the available players for trade please :)

  • Alcatraz

    The part that worries me is that the cap was going up regardless, so does the new money simply allow us to continue equally with the cap? or is it going to be extra money on top of where we were goign to be next year anyways?

    • spezzerman

      Considering the team has been talking openly about revenues increasing despite the lack of fan support and now this bonanza, I think it is very good sign for the future. The Sens probably regret the strategy of giving away tickets for cheap/free during the rebuild and it certainly affected their bottom line.

  • Hax

    So has anyone seen more details? The “minimum of 52 games thing” is that just some sort of guarantee that TSN gets that many even if Sportsnet decides to broadcast more than 30 nationally? In other words – someone please reassure me that there won’t be any games that aren’t available on TV.

    • spezzerman

      I’d say that it is next to impossible considering what is being shelled out for rights.

  • FistsofNeil25

    Man why does the Euge have to be such a damn buzz kill. I don’t really have an issue with his comments but the timing of it is just awful. He didn’t say anything that we didn’t already know. I doubt there was anyone who believed that the deal with TSN would allow the Sens to be a cap team, but I’m sure most of us expect him to loosen up the purse strings a little.

    We’ll never be a cup contender if we’re sitting amongst the bottom handful of teams in terms of spending. Melnyk has a sour taste in his mouth about spending to the cap ever since he blew his brains out to sign Kovalev and Gonchar. Talk about a waste of money… no wonder he doesn’t think spending to the cap will guarantee success.

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