Senators Sign Derek Grant

SensChirp July 10, 2014 862
Senators Sign Derek Grant

The Ottawa Senators have crossed another item off their off-season To Do list, signing restricted free agent centre Derek Grant to a one year, two way contract.

Grant was scheduled for an arbitration hearing on July 24th.

Grant appeared in 20 games for the Senators last season and looked pretty comfortable in his time with the big club. He also had 12 goals and 22 points in 46 games with the Binghamton Senators.  With Turris, Zibanejad, Legwand, Smith, Lazar and Pageau all as centres, Grant is going to be hard pressed to find his way back into the NHL this season. He really seems like an ideal fourth line centre but that position belongs to Zack Smith right now.

Robin Lehner is the last RFA without a contract.

  • Eric Lapointe

    Looked ok, but we have a ton of depth, 3-4th liners right now. I wonder what his ‘character’ is like? #charactertrumpsall

  • Max Power

    The grant domino has fallen

    • SensChirp

      This. Changes. Everything.

      • my2sens

        The only thing it seems to have changed is our so called to do list…

        I cannot see the Sens doing anything… Frustrating.

  • FistsofNeil25

    Sorry for the re-post but I wanted to continue the conversation from the last thread:

    Grant is another guy that’s an NHL player but is falling victim to the numbers game. If we’re going to have such a strict internal budget, doesn’t it make sense to have a really cheap fourth line and play guys like Grant instead of paying Greening 2.65M? Does it make sense to pay 2.5M to a 6th/7th defenseman like Chris Phillips?

    It’s stuff like this that really does frustrate me. We have enough cheap NHL caliber talent in this organization that can play at the bottom of the roster, yet we pay guys like Greening and Phillips a lot of money instead of using it towards a top six forward or a top four defenseman.

    • Senatollah

      still need to make the cap floor and unfortunately next year all our top players are on sweetheart deals for the organization. So sens kinda need to pay these guys more at the bottom just to make the floor. Last year Milo was overpaid, this year, again more reasonable and realistic. Cant undo the Turris deal, the Ryan deal or the Grizz deal?

      I get the being upset part but core player with great contracts, hopefully we can add the Legwand to this list this time next year….

  • JayRuN

    Where the hell is this mystery deal?? We have soo much damn forward depth.

    • Senatollah

      Have you looked for any clues.
      1. Take a team at or near the salary cap.
      2. Count the number of contracts (remove any potential slide rule contracts) ~ max 50
      3. ?
      4. Profit
      What teams can give us Quality high dollar player(s) for Quantity?

  • Frankie Fives

    I still believe the mystery trade is with Chicago and involved Zach Smith. They need to move some $$$ out. Only way I do it is if Hjalmarsson is part of the deal

    Smith, Greening, Boro

    Hjalmarsson, Bickell

    The Sens then need to ship out another D-man and the addition of Hjalmarsson may allow them to move PW. I’m sure Tim Murray would love to take him

    Roster could look like this:

    Mac-Turris-Ryan
    Michalek-Zib-Stone
    Bickell-Legwand-Chiasson
    Hoffman-Lazar-Condra

    Neil

    Hjalmarsson-Karlsson
    Cowen-Methot
    Ceci-Phillips

    Gryba

    • Gavin Ray

      I doubt that the Black Hawks are looking at trading Hjalmarsson, they seem content with keeping oduya and him together, also im pretty sure nick leddy is on the block so I could see him coming instead.

      Most importantly, the hawks would never give up this much for rubbish from our end. I would keep Smith and Boro as they are good players that wont have much value in foreign markets.

      If the Hawks are trading Hjalmarsson, I would offer Phillips and a 2nd round pick or something like that. But BM probs wont trade Phillips.

      • Frankie Fives

        The Hawks need to make cap room. They are more than $2 million over right now. They have long been in talks with the Sens regarding Zach Smith. This trade would clear up $3 million in cap space for Chicago. They may not want to move Hjalmarsson but they also may not have much choice unless they give Leddy away for practically nothing

        Bickell is overpaid at $4mill so dumping him would be a plus for them

        • Gavin Ray

          Hjalmarssons cap hit is only $100 000 more than Bickel, so why would trade a great defenceman instead of a bottom 6 leach?

          I understand the snes would be interested in this trade but the value we give will probably be met and surpassed by other teams.

          This is exactly why Kane wont be coming to town any time soon.

          • Frankie Fives

            No one will take Bickell unless they get value back elsewhere. That’s how you land a player like Hjalmarsson. By taking a bad contract as well

          • Gavin Ray

            I personally would rather trade Bickel for scraps, then do what you say. But I understand your point as to how the Hawks are selling the trade but I dont see either Chicago or Ottawa making this trade

      • Doc

        Agreed. This trade makes no sense from Chicago’s perspective.

        • Gavin Ray

          lol I dont mean only Phillips and a second, I meant Phillips, a 2nd round pick, Smith, Greening, and boro

          • Doc

            I meant the initial proposal didn’t make much sense.

            But yeah, Hjalmarsson is a beast and would cost more to get.

      • Frankie Fives

        So, you’re saying the Hawks won’t take our rubbish but then say Phillips and a 2nd for Hjalmarsson???

        • Gavin Ray

          I think the Hawks would find fair value in Phillips, a 2nd round pick, Smith, Greening, and boro but I think that we should keep smith and boro

          • Frankie Fives

            If you add Phillips to the deal, the Hawks don’t clear any cap space…

          • Pasky

            That’s over 7M coming in though so they still wouldn’t clear the cap

  • karlssens

    I would poop myself if we somehow got Evander Kane.

    • Finn 8

      I would lose all faith in management if we got him

    • not YOUR wingman

      BAHHH – the Jets would expect something like Lazar/Smith/first for Islander Kane.
      Not a price I’m willing to pay

    • Sandy

      6M for 4 years on top of having to sign Ryan, MacA et al
      Not going to happen,

  • FistsofNeil25

    Greening and Phillips take up $5 150 000 of our internal budget. That’s a lot of money that could be paid to a scoring forward or a two-way defenseman. Instead we decided to spend it on those guys.

    • Frankie Fives

      We know how you feel dude. No need to copy and paste this stuff every half hour lol

      • FistsofNeil25

        We could have a pretty good team if we spent our money smarter. That’s the point. Or we could just trade Smith for Hjalmarsson to solve all our problems ;-) lol

        • Frankie Fives

          YESSSSSS!!!!!! ;)

        • Pasky

          Wouldn’t solve the problem with the amount of guys on the back end though, and that damn NTC. If he and Sharp would waive, I would offer Greening, Smith, Weircioch, Prince & 2nd 2015. I would even substitute Weircioch with Methot if need be to get it done, and Chicago would still clear the Salary Cap with Methot’s extra 1M compared to Weircioch.

          • FistsofNeil25

            How would Chicago clear the cap? Sharp makes 5.9M and Greening, Smith, Wiercioch combine for over 6.5M.

          • FistsofNeil25

            My bad I guess you were saying Hjalmarsson + Sharp lol

          • Pasky

            yea should have made that a bit clearer lol

    • Senatollah

      Like it or hate it Phillips is getting the local guy pay bump. Call it the Mike Fisher loyalty bonus or something else. Fisher was grossly overpaid in his time in Ottawa (compared to what could have been acquired on the open market) but he was a team guy, great in the community (active + charity work). So i agree overpaid, too much term. BUT i dont care. He has been great for the City and a few years ago when i though he was done he kinda bounced back and brought a different dimension to his game. Small market team, need to be attractive to the right players

    • Sensnation

      I don’t think we can say we’d have a better top 4 or top 6 player for that money than what we will be icing this coming year. We could have overpaid a 2nd pairing dman 6+million or a 2nd line winger that hole amount, but none of them would have been worth it. Phillips has done a lot for this community, this team and this fan base, the least we can do is let the guy play out here as long as he can/wants.

  • In the Bleachers

    Meh – Derek Grant is just a career AHLer – about to be passed
    on the depth charts by Dzingel

    • Gavin Ray

      He’s pretty decent call up for a defensive forward position. He could some trade value.

      • Sensnation

        Trade value for another 4th liner?

  • donney

    Not sure grant is sure fire full time NHLer. To say he’s caught in a numbers game is going a bit ahead ofourselves. Zack smith has put in a few good years and has really developed. Centre is a position any team needs to deep in. To have Zack as a fourth line is a bonus and grant is not a smith replacement. Now in the case of smith being baited in a deal that helps the team I’m all for but in no way can you say he’s a fulltime player in the show. Our team is built with too many fringe pieces as it is.

    • FistsofNeil25

      If you’re going to have fringe NHLer’s on your roster they better be dirt cheap. Grant could definitely replace Greening.

      • Jakester

        He would be a perfect fourth line center, not getting a fair shake in Ottawa for some reason(Muckler pick I think). If he was smart he would move on like DaCosta.

      • Sensnation

        I don’t know that I’d even go that far. Greening may not be the player we saw sniping on Spezza’s wing a few years ago, but so far he’s shown more than Grant.

        • FistsofNeil25

          Of course he has but my argument is that we have such a deep crop of players that can play in the bottom six but not enough that can produce offense.

          I’d rather pay Grant $700 000 to play on the fourth line than pay Greening $2 650 000 to play in that spot if it means we have more money available in the budget to spend on guys that can play at the top of our roster.

          I’m not saying Grant is better than Greening. I’m just saying that money would be better spent on top six forwards or top four defenseman than on players like Greening when they can be
          replaced by someone like Grant without taking much away from the roster.

          • whammer44

            Agree with this. Plus Grant is actually effective on the PK so arguably making Greening even more expendable

          • Pasky

            If we don’t do any more trades, I wouldn’t be surprised if Greening maybe gets a look on the 3rd line instead of Hoffman, just to see if he has any chemistry with Legwand or Chiasson. Also the fact that they are paying him 2.65M a year they might be stubborn and want to give him ice time since they’re paying for it lol

          • Sensnation

            I think you assume a lot about Grants abilities. So far I haven’t seen anything that makes me think he can come close to Greening, even at a reduced cost. Greening is a full time NHL player, Grant may never be.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Again it’s not Grant vs Greening. At the end of the day neither one of them are going to be the difference between us winning or losing. They’re both replacement level talents.

            It’s all about the money and if this organization has any plans to be a playoff team while operating on a budget, that money is better spent on players at the top of the roster that can really make a difference.

          • Sensnation

            Personally I think Greening has a chance to be a real force on the 3rd line still. His style of game matters more in the playoffs imo, so a year where our team sucked and missed the playoffs is hard to see his value in. Just my opinion though.

            As for the top of our roster, as I said that money would have overpaid a 2nd line player at best that is no better than the Turris, MacArthur, Ryan, Michalek and would be at the expense of giving 2nd line minutes to Zibanejad, Chiasson and Stone. Can’t get a good top 4 d for that money. The players that signed in that range this year are Kulemin, Grabovski, Vrbata, Quincey (maybe?), a way overpaid Niskanen and Orpik, and then a bunch of players we wouldn’t want or wouldn’t choose to come here. This was a weak UFA class for top 4 and top 6 skill. A lot more 2b/3a line types, which aren’t worth showing 5mil.

          • FistsofNeil25

            I’m not referring to free agents. I don’t support paying guys like Pouliot or Kulemin 4M per season or Orpik 5.5M.

            As it stands right now there isn’t much flexibility in the budget to improve the team through trade by adding a top forward or a top defenseman.

            We didn’t have this flexibility last season either until we acquired Hemsky with 50% of his salary retained and waived Conacher and dumped Corvo.

            This is all because we spend too much money at the bottom of our roster. We had close to 4 million dollars sitting in the press box most nights with Wiercioch, Corvo and Kassian,

            How does this make sense for a budget team? We lacked a winger for Spezza and a top four defenseman for almost an entire season because of our strict budget while we had 3-4M sitting in the press box most nights.

          • Sensnation

            The point I’m making is that 3-4mil in the press box then and 5 mil you say now, neither of those are getting you the player you want to put there. There aren’t many teams trading good top 4 dman or top 6 forwards on great contracts.

  • MethotToMyMadness

    Saw the report that Gudbranson was signed to a 2 year deal, amount was not disclosed. That’s such a good idea, keeping it on the down low. Nothing worse than finding out you overpaid for someone, lol.

  • Spoons

    Michalek – Grant – Chiasson

    Our 2nd line is set

    • IAmThePaulrus

      that’s really more of a top line don’t ya think?

      • Gavin Ray

        I dont think so… I know so!

  • Hax

    Money seems low – not much of a raise from last year considering he got a bunch of NHL games last year.

    Wayne Scanlan @HockeyScanner 36s

    Confirmed C Derek Grant will earn 700,000/85,000 on a two-way contract with the Senators.

    • Millennium

      Hey a 30% pay raise always feels nice to the little guys.

      But this signing feels more like “hey, next season we have to spend a ton on RFAs so we could use you on our 4th line when we cut the fat on guys like Greening”

      • Hax

        Yeah it’s not out of scope but with an arb hearing already set I’m a bit surprised they got him signed so low. Especially when it looks even less likely for him to get NHL time this coming season (I’m not sure he expects another 20 NHL games).

        • Frankie Fives

          Maybe he was told there would soon be more room on the NHL roster…

          • Hax

            Totally possible though even then I’m not sure why he wouldn’t wait until those spots officially clear up.

            Over-analyzing this of course but that’s what we do here LOL

          • Millennium

            Yeah its odd that this is what it took to avoid arb. There must be more to the plan I’m guessing.

  • Dirk-Diggler

    Pipe dream I know… But, I still want the Sens to go after Letang.

    Methot + Boro (salary/contract dump, PIT can put him in WBS and not worry about the salary) + both 2nd’s in 2015 for Letang…

    Cowen-Karlsson
    Weircioch-Letang
    Phlipps-Ceci/Gryba

    That would be such a fun D to watch

    • ProfessorPower

      A D that can’t play defense

    • FistsofNeil25

      The only defenseman that’s more overrated than Letang is Dion Phaneuf.

    • Pasky

      I just find Letang is too close of a player to Karlsson. Both offensive first take chances types that play 1st line minutes. As odd as it sounds I’d want the right side to stay as is. Ceci is still young and may struggle next year a bit but in the next 2-3 years he’ll be an excellent option behind Karlsson. We would have a Offense first (Karlsson), a 2-way guy (Ceci) & and shutdown guy (Gryba).

      It’s the left side right now that has 3 shutdown guys in the starting lineup, with another shutdown guy in Boro and a 2-way guy in Weircioch. Hjarlmasson would be my main target as he would be perfect on the 1st pairing with Karlsson as a 2-way style instead of strictly shutdown guy. If we give Methot away for him that’s fine by me as Cowen is good on the 2nd pairing anyways.

    • Sandy

      How about no to Letang. Not that contract and not that player.

    • Jakester

      keep the two 2nd’s

    • Sensnation

      $7.25mil per year for a 2nd pairing dman?

  • Spoons

    LMAO! Almost had a heart attack:

    Pierre LeBrun @Real_ESPNLeBrun 23m
    Ott deal with Blues, $2.6 M each year

    Ott, not OTT

    • Hax

      So they’re not paying Melnyk $2.6M per year for the Senators to be the official farm team of the Blues?

  • Hax

    So back to Grant, his last contract was $575/$65 with a $50k bonus each of the three years. So I’m guessing (ignoring the bonus since I assume that can at signing) he took home roughly $150k last year since he played 20 NHL games and 46 in Bingo.

    So now he’s likely going to make less than that unless he gets at least 10 NHL games this coming season.

    Bit of a gamble on his part IMO.

    • Sensnation

      At a 1 year deal it will allow him to see if the team uses him or not this year. The gamble is he could become an NHL player during the season at some point due to injury or trade. If he is good enough he could get that 1 way next year or be in a position to request a trade to a team that could use him on a 1 way. He probably didn’t have much leverage in negotiations.

      • Hax

        I don’t know enough about how the arb process works, but I would think 20 games last year would be enough leverage to get at least $100k on the AHL end of his 2-way contract.

        Not a big deal really but would just be interested to know the details.

        • Sensnation

          Ah ok, ya I’m not sure there. I really don’t think he had much leverage.

          • Hax

            No certainly not – not from the perspective of NHL money or getting a one-way. But I’d think if I was his agent I’d come in with his T4 and say “here’s what he made last year – let’s start there as a minimum” or something. (Though yes the T4 would be for the calendar year not the contract year)

          • Sensnation

            Haha, I like your negotiation tactics! Are you a player agent? If not I think you should consider it.

            That may have been what led to filing for arbitration in the first place. Hard to know, but if I’m BM I look at Grant as a bottom line roll of the dice and if those get too greedy they may not get called up at all, or even just let go and potentially lose that NHL dream, having to toil in the KHL or Europe.

          • Hax

            True, but if I play agent for a bit I’d look at Grant as either a great fit in the bottom six in the NHL (high end) and at the absolute lowest end he’s a great 200 ft player in the top 6 in Bingo helping other prospects develop. So really, even if the team sees him as a career AHL player he’s a guy that would be valuable to keep around for some stability in Bingo. He typically plays top 6 there no?

            Anyway, he did get a decent raise and it’s just one year so he didn’t “lose” but when I saw that he settled so quickly I assumed he’d have gotten more on the AHL end of his deal.

      • Sandy

        There are bound to be injuries this season. The Sens had a lucky year last season without a lot of long term injuries.

  • Sandy

    I read on another site that Ryan is in town. Not sure of the source.
    Chirp, you heard anything?

    • Hax

      MacA is too – apparently there’s a golf tourney he’s in. Maybe Ryan is in it as well?

      Heck, maybe they ironed out a deal on July 1 and Ryan said he’d sign when he’s in town this week.

      Or maybe I’m reaching?

      • Pasky

        I think you’re reaching, but hopefully you grabbed something lol

    • Spoons

      nah. there was confusion about one of his tweets. It kind of sounded like he was in Ottawa, but he wasn’t. He was in Idaho all along.

      • Hax

        This one?

        Bobby Ryan @b_ryan9 Jul 3

        This bottle of wine is ok!! It’s for the @REDBLACKS! Rooting hard here in Ottawa!! #itsforottawa

        • Spoons

          yeah. I know it’s a week old, I just don’t want to feed the rumour mongers. Starting rumours where there are none.

        • Sandy

          Not sure. The info is from this morning. Don’t know how the person knows.

  • Millennium

    Getting guys like Hoffman and Grant to sign one-year deals seems calculated on the org’s part. They know they have a backlog of mid-level prospects, and they also have a number of contracts on the big team coming due next summer (5 UFA, 5 RFA).

    This lets them have their prospects available to move up and replace players if needed, or let the prospects walk if they don’t pan out in the coming year. They can’t keep prospects in the AHL forever if they are ready to move up, so this lets them make those decisions at the same time as decisions on contract extensions for the big club players.

    • Pasky

      Yea next year looks unbelievably busy for the team when it comes to contract renewals once you look at the players in the minors as well. A total of 7 UFAs & 17 RFAs, providing that Lehner doesn’t sign a 1 year deal.

  • Sensnation

    For all the hate Greening gets, last year was the only year he wasn’t on a 30+ point pace. Does no one believe he can rebound after a down year for him and the whole team?

    10-11 – 24gp, 6g, 7a, 13p
    11-12 – 82gp, 17g, 20a, 37p
    12-13 – 47gp, 8g, 11a, 19p
    13-14 – 76gp, 6g, 11a, 17p

    His shooting percentage last year (5.2%) was also half or what it was the previous 3 years (10.5, 9.2, 10.0), which normally means it should return back to normal and this past year was the exception.

    • spezzerman

      Good post – no reason to think last season is all Colin Greening has to offer.

    • Pasky

      Those numbers bring up a good point, although playing with 4th liners would also contribute to this, compared to being in the Top 6-Top 9 in the past. Liek I mentioned below I’d like to see if he has chemistry with Legwand or Chiasson on the 3rd line before completely giving up on him, providing we don’t add another LW in a trade.

      • Sensnation

        Agreed about the Legwand-Chiasson 3rd line, that would be one big line with some speed.

    • Spoons

      I’m not hard on Greening for his lack of production. It’s his bad plays that lead to late Goals Against, or his bad line changes. It was frustrating. It’s as if he wasn’t at the right place defensively.

    • Jakester

      he’s nothing special!

      • Sensnation

        Not every roster player needs to be special.

    • FistsofNeil25

      If he’s ever going to reach those numbers again we better line him up with more offensively gifted players than Smith and Neil.

      • Sensnation

        Agree with that! Pasky’s 3rd line idea is intriguing.

        • Millennium

          Only problem with that is if effectively destroys Hoffman’s season if he has to try and play with Smith and Neil on the 4th line.

          • Sensnation

            Hoffman is still on a 2 way. At 24yrs old I’m not against him being in the minors until injury or trade.

          • Millennium

            well someone has to play 4LW. If not Hoffman or Greening then who? We don’t really have much in the way of LW depth.

          • Sensnation

            I’m not one who limits themselves to left handed players being put on the left side, especially for a fourth line, but we do have Dziurzynski who can be 4th line until he gets knocked out again.

            Condra, Lazar could also take turns and rotate around. Ryan could play left side creating dominoes down the roster. A 4LW is very easy to fill. But really, Hoffman may be the perfect complement to Smith and Neil with his speed and offensive ability. He’s really only here for the PP anyways so far.

          • CUP 2014-15

            Prince would like a shot

          • Frankie Fives

            He’ll get claimed by Buffalo if he hits waivers

          • Sensnation

            Does he have to go through waivers? I’m not sure of how the rules apply to him.

          • Frankie Fives

            Yep. He is on a 2-way but he is no longer waiver exempt

          • CUP 2014-15

            Ya, were out of options on him, but if he gets picked up the team that takes him has to keep him on the big club.

          • Sensnation

            Ah ok, thx guys.

    • Millennium

      I’d like to see his most common linemates through those years. Hard to get 35+ points playing with Smith and Neil. So even if he has the potential to rebound, it may not happen with the spot we have for him

    • A-Train

      I think he’ll have a better season and I don’t think the organization is ready to give up on him anyway. He’s that hard worker / big body / good person blend they’ve been preaching for a while.

      Anyway, the bigger problem is our lack of top-line talent.

    • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

      I think what most fans are frustrated with with Greening is that they really don’t know what the heck it is that he brings to the table consistently. Some days I watch him play and think “Wow he is doing a great job…if he could string a few shifts like this together he would be a great bottom 6 guy, with even the potential to play 2nd line in a total pinch”…then the next game I watch him and think “Jesus christ…if this guy can make it to the NHL anyone can…he isn’t hitting (hard), he isn’t shooting…but hey he is getting a lot of minutes for some reason.”

      I think he needs to just play his game and ignore his contract(which is the main problem with him…he is paid more than what he has demonstrated he can consistently bring to the table.

      • Hax

        All good points – but I wonder if he’d get nearly as much criticism if nobody knew what his salary was. Or if he was making $850k or something.

        • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

          If he was making that much he would be given A LOT more slack for sure….I am not entirely sure why fans are so stuck on his contract mind you…it isn’t as if that specifically is handcuffing us from signing other players.

          • Millennium

            The whole budget thing has made fans extremely sensitive to guys perceived as not being worth their price. The fact that he’s the 6th highest paid forward is also frustrating in relative terms.

          • Hax

            True but I think the fact that we have sites like capgeek and that every tweet about signings includes the salary etc makes us as fans hyper-sensitive. Overall our roster is extremely bargain-heavy. The only “bad” contracts we have are guys like Greening and Phillips where there is debate among fans on their value and where the team has actually demonstrated (through ice time) that they like these players fine.

            Not many teams can say that.

          • Millennium

            Deployment is definitely also part of it. Maclean’s use of GSN was a constant frustration for fans last season.

          • Hax

            Great point as well. And there’s an assumption there that these fans think they know better than MacLean. Not literally of course – if you asked them they’d say “well no but …”

            I look at how much MacLean used them and took that to mean they must be serving some purpose. Even if it’s just a long-term thing of sending a message to younger guys, if PMac thinks it’s smart then I defer to him.

            But yeah, in the heat of a close game it’s hard sometimes to be objective.

          • sens_bud

            He definitely knows a lot and his resume speaks volumes, but man was it hard to swallow some of the decisions made by the coaching staff last year. Not just once but over and over again. With that said, the year before I thought he handled the young kinds coming up with nothing but perfection. Not close to the team by any means, but from what I heard and saw he was doing a great job. Hope he can go back to that this year.

          • Hax

            If Zibanejad plays a 200ft game this coming season and beyond and doesn’t try to play like Spezza then that might mean it was worth seeing the Smith line so much last year. Just one random, possible reason MacLean might have used GSN so much (to teach guys like Zibanejad to “follow orders”).

          • sens_bud

            Agreed. Maybe it was also a long term ploy to get Spezza out of town, sent of course from yours truly, EM.

          • Hax

            I know you’re joking but it certainly seems to have been an attempt to get Jason to fit into the coach’s style of play.

          • sens_bud

            100% right.

            I know its been said before, but imagine the super juicy details a fly on the wall of BM’s office would have on this team. Maybe him and PM had a convo that went like – well spezza will either bend and mold into what we want, or break. Either is ok with us.

          • Hax

            Yeah I’d love to actually *know* more rather than have a few things I assume and a ton of things I have no idea about.

            Honestly, I hope that’s how Murray and MacLean view all our players in one way or another. Some adjustments need to be made based on what you have as a coach, but in the long-term view it should be about how Murray and MacLean want the team to look/play that matters.

          • Sensnation

            It’s funny how much fans get annoyed that our 3rd line is not our 4th.

          • sens_bud

            Although at sometimes last year it seemed more like a 2nd line. There were definitely a few times where we had Ozone pressure, other team ices the puck with our 3rd line out and instead of throwing out spezza or turry, over comes the GSN line.

          • Sensnation

            Oh for sure, the 3rd line vs 2nd line thing I’d agree with, that’s when it became too much for me. But now we hear that he was sending messages to Spezza and others, which may explain some of it.

          • FistsofNeil25

            It wasn’t funny at all. They had their lunches fed to them more often than not last year.

          • Sensnation

            That’s how bad the rest of our team was. They didn’t play so much because they rocked, they played so much because they were the least worse option.

          • Millennium

            GSN got played most because they “followed orders” better than everyone else.

            Maclean had ideas of how he wanted everyone to play, and the ones who didn’t do that got their ice time cut, regardless of who they were.

            Maclean ended up looking stubborn and foolish as a result. His intentions may have been great, but his implementation handicapped the team as a whole for the season.

          • Sensnation

            Agreed, to the coach they were the better option because they did what he wanted them to do.

          • Millennium

            Well, better for Maclean perhaps. But if the following orders imperative contradicts with winning again this season, there will be much bigger questions about Maclean’s system.

          • sens_bud

            Unless it ends in McDavid, then after we hate on him all year, we will thank him for years to come.

          • Sensnation

            When rebuilding a young team, it will often end up with bottom 6 more experienced players getting more icetime. Just giving it to the Zibanejad’s and others because they have more skill but are playing the wrong way is not a winning strategy either. I think it was a growth year and as some have said we will see the young guys better off for it going forward.

          • sprucesens

            i dunno, there were probably 15-20 times where putting out turris’ line would have had a way better chance of us scoring, and tying the game when we were down a goal late. Hopefully he has coached himself out of that and whatever it was he was teaching, has been taught, so we can take a step forward this year. Better yet, 1 step backward, 2 steps forward

          • Sensnation

            I often saw fans asking for the Turris line right after they got off the ice. Coach pretty much bounced between Turris line and GSN line, they can only play so much.

          • sens_bud

            Probably because watching Spezza play with Condra was sad.

          • Sensnation

            Melnyk’s cost per point system in full effect! haha ;)

        • FistsofNeil25

          Obviously the criticism stems from how much he’s about to make on his new contract. His three year deal at 2.65M kicks in this season, but a lot of people watched him play last year and thought “we gave this guy 2.65M and a no trade-clause and this is what he’s capable of.”

          Expectations are always higher when a nice new contract is handed out. The same thing can be said for Cowen. If he was still on his ELC last season and performed as he did, he wouldn’t have been criticized much at all. Instead he held out of training camp for a lucrative four year contract at 3.1M per season and ended up completely shitting the bed.

        • sens_bud

          If he only made 850K, comments would probably go like….. Congrats BM, good signing for the sens, great character guy who works hard on and off the ice. Solid bottom 6 guy who can bruise bodies and be a corner/front of the net guy on a more offensive 3rd line if need be, but also drop down to the fourth and bang and grind out 30 points in a good year.

      • Sensnation

        30p players often get over 2mil, 20pt players not as much. His contract reflected what he had demonstrated up until that point, he just did not demonstrate that same game this past year. I think he was pretty consistent those first 3 years though. Big, fast and sometimes can shoot or handle the puck.

        • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

          Agreed, I don’t really dislike him(or Condra) as much as most here, or on the street. I personally am slightly frustrated at times that they are potentially taking away roster spots from the young guys, but as of now there is no proof that they will do any better at the NHL level.

          • Sensnation

            I agree with you on those two as well. I like both players and believe they have a role in the NHL, willing to work with or without them going forward.

          • sens_bud

            I dont really care about his contract to this point unless there is some proof that he has someone more important’s money. I also kinda like him on the fourth line, of course I usually want more from him, but I could say that about almost everyone on the team some nights. Just what happens when you have the perfect view from above the ice.

            I only start to get upset when he plays with talented forwards and is bringing them down. Play him as a physical, grinding bottom 6 guy and I will be fine as long as he brings just that, and maybe a snipe or two here and there.

  • A-Train

    When Paul Maclean came to the organization, he sat down with Karlsson and showed him a bunch of Nick Lidstrom video. Showed him how a guy who didn’t throw big hits could be a dominant defenseman and told him he had the natural ability to do the same.

    ​I loved that story when I heard it. I really hope Maclean is takes a similar approach with players like Zibanejad , Ceci and Lazar this year. Here’s what you can be…now do it.

    So crucial on a young team.

    • Spoons

      Never heard that, That’s pretty cool!

      • A-Train

        I can’t find the article right now … will post it up here if I can.

    • Jakester

      how about we show the other three to throw big hits though!

  • Sensnation

    Hopefully this puts the Berglund rumors to rest:

    Vladimir Sobotka to the KHL – Sobotka has signed with Omsk of the KHL. Sobotka was a restricted free agent and will still owe the Blues a year of service if he returns to the NHL. They are currently scheduled for a salary arbitration hearing.

    • Hax

      Not really sure it would. Sure some people would say “well they (STL) need Berglund now” but others would point to the Ott signing right after Sobotka signed in the KHL as the offset, leaving Berglund still in play.

      • Sensnation

        I’m not sure, but I think St. Louis wanted Ott and vise versa most of this time they just needed to make room. Original thought was probably to trade Berglund keep Sobotka, but who knows.

    • FistsofNeil25

      I thought the Legwand signing squashed the Berglund rumors didn’t they?

      • Sensnation

        Probably.

    • Frankie Fives

      Berglund rumors ended when Spezza was dealt to Dallas

      • Sensnation

        No they didn’t, at least not on here. There were still plenty of trade offers for Berglund going around after Spezza was traded.

        • Frankie Fives

          Ah, I don’t categorize the trade posts on SensChirp as rumors. That’s just BS talk by a bunch of us who have nothing better to do lol

          • Sensnation

            Ya that’s all I was saying, we can put the Berglund ones to bed hopefully now.

    • sens_bud

      The Berglund rumors should have been put to rest after Spezza went to Dallas and we got Legwand shouldnt they have? I mean our 4 centers are not going anywhere. Can he play wing/ who cares we have too many guys. I would throw him in the quantity pile. A trade would be just that for quality I would imagine.

      • Hax

        Berglund can play LW so a case could be made to add him in but he’s far from the “big piece” we’re led to believe Murray is still chasing.

        • FistsofNeil25

          Exactly. If we’re going to make a move for a forward it’s going to be for someone who can play ahead of Michalek or MacArthur in the line up, or someone who can play second line right-wing…although hopefully Stone or Chiasson will be able to do the latter.

          • Sensnation

            MacArthur and Michalek are top 6 wingers, pref 2nd line, but I’d be amazed if a piece is coming in above them. We are more than full on RW too. I’d be more inclined to think it’s a 3rd line LW.

          • FistsofNeil25

            So in other words the only way we’re going to get better is if one of our current players steps up and begins a legitimate first liner?

          • Sensnation

            Wouldn’t go that far. The team can be better by playing together better (200ft hockey/line chemistry) and having all the young guys improve a bit every year like what should be expected. But yes, we should all be aware we are hoping Turris, Ryan and at least 1 younger player can deliver close to 1st line level. We are short a 1st line, that’s what we agreed to by trading Spezza for pieces.

          • FistsofNeil25

            There’s only so far you can get playing a 200ft brand of hockey with guys that can’t create offense at a high level. I would rather not become the Arizona Coyotes of the eastern conference.

            I’m interested to see where we’re going to get enough offense from to be a good team in the east.

          • Sensnation

            It’s going to have to be more spread out for sure. I look at it more like Nashville of the east, but either way we have more skill on paper than those two teams had, just not the experience and maturity yet.

        • Sensnation

          Is the piece Murray chasing really a “big piece”? I know he said he had a trade in the works, but wasn’t sure about the magnitude of it.

          • Hax

            Can’t recall how confirmed it was, but I thought we were all assuming it was a top 6 winger? Berglund barely barely qualifies I guess. Fair point though about Smith – if he’s part of a trade with Chicago then maybe we do need a center. Hard to imagine Berglund or any of our current top 9 C’s playing fourth line though.

          • Sensnation

            I can’t picture Smith playing 4th line, but fans have demanded it so we know it will happen ;)

          • Hax

            I can actually. It would be a more balanced fourth line in terms of ice time and Smith will play lots of PK as well. Maybe even some shifts at LW. Not a 4C like some teams where they get 10 shifts.

          • Sensnation

            Agreed, if we’re rolling 4 lines consistently it works. At less than 10mins a night for Smith, it probably wouldn’t.

      • Sensnation

        Depends who we listen to. If Smith is actually available in a trade for a winger, then we would still need a C if management does not believe Pageau/Legwand can fill Smith’s role between them.

        • Frankie Fives

          Lazar or Grant could step in for Smith

  • Frankie Fives

    One thing I started wondering is how happy is Zach Smith after the Legwand signing? We all know he deserves more than 4th line minutes and I’m sure he feels the same. Will he be content playing 10-12 minutes a game? He could and should be a 3rd liner on most teams. This is why I think he will be dealt before training camp opens and a guy like Grant or Lazar will take his place

    • Millennium

      “We all know he deserves more than 4th line minutes”

      News to me. Solid 4th liner, doesn’t fit much higher than that.

      • Frankie Fives

        Doesn’t fit with the lineup we have, I agree. However, the guy should be a 3rd line C

        • Millennium

          I see nothing in his game that qualifies him to be a good 3rd line center.

          • Frankie Fives

            He scored 13 goals last season playing with Greening and Neil 90% of the time. When injuries have occurred, he’s shown the ability to move up and play pretty good offensively. He’s a good face-off guy and plays a 200 foot game. What more would you want from your 3rd line C?

          • FistsofNeil25

            He’s an average third center. He’s not going to hurt us in that spot as long as he’s not being matched up against the opposing teams top line. That’s when he’s in way over his head.

          • Sensnation

            Everything we’ve seen from him has been 3rd line C. Really strong 2 way game, can fight if needed, really good on faceoffs and has some offensive ability. That’s 3rd line on most teams.

          • Millennium

            Take a look around the league at 3Cs. You need more than he’s got to be a good 3C. Faceoffs are valuable, but aside from that his play is better for a good fourth line.

          • Sensnation

            If you’re a cup team maybe, not on teams outside of the playoffs or going for that last playoff spot.

          • Frankie Fives

            So Jarret Stoll, who is the Stanley Cup winning LA Kings’ 3rd line center scored 8 goals last season and was a plus-9 while Smith had 13 goals and was a decent minus-9 on a horrible defensive team. I’d say those 2 players are pretty even, wouldn’t you?

          • Sensnation

            Agreed. Even other prototypical 3rd liners like Chris Kelly who give more points, but then you lose in the physical department. Not all 3rd line Cs are exactly the same style, but Smith’s total package definitely matches up with most other 3rd line Cs in the league.

          • Frankie Fives

            Marcus Kruger. 3rd line C for Chicago. 8 goals. Plus 6
            Darren Helm. 3rd line C for Detroit. 12 goals. Plus 2
            Vladimir Sobotka. 3rd line C for St Louis. 9 goals. Plus 14
            Lars Eller. 3rd line C Montreal Canadiens. 12 goals. Minus 15

            And the one guy I could compare Smith to is someone people have been raving about recently:

            Brandon Sutter. 3rd line C for Pittsburgh. 13 goals. -9

    • Sensnation

      I agree he’s not a 4th liner and has pretty much never played 4th line minutes.But most here disagree with that.

      He’s 26, sens fans don’t want players entering their prime, they are too over the hill, we need untapped potential, not results ;)

    • Sandy

      Both Murray and McLean are big Smith fans. I doubt they trade him. They can also play Smith on the wing.
      It’s about having a team and on that team players have roles. They accept those roles or it’s see ya.

  • Gavin Ray

    I think a good strong scoring third line should be:
    Michalek – Legwand – Chiasson

    I think playing with legwand, Michalke would improve his 2way game and Chiasson could play with experienced veterans. While also letting ZBad play more ice time and develop faster.

    • Sensnation

      I wonder if Michalek and Legwand would have signed here if they expected to play 3rd line?

      Zibanejad better do a lot more this year if he wants those 2nd line minutes. Still blown away that Murray hinted he might even be 1st line and keep Turris 2nd line.

      • FistsofNeil25

        I don’t think Murray meant next year when he said that.

        • Sensnation

          I hope so, it sure sounded like might have. Zibanejad has huge, almost unreasonable, leaps to take to become 1st line.

          • spezzerman

            no it didnt. He clearly meant for the future, otherwise, Legwand wouldnt have been necessary.

          • Sensnation

            Legwand can play 2nd or 3rd line. He was definitely necessary with our young and inexperienced roster. When you don’t have a 1st line C, you try to get 3 2nd line Cs to make up for it, which is what we hopefully have.

          • spezzerman

            Right, which includes the developing Zibanejad.

          • Sensnation

            I think that’s what I’ve said, no?

          • spezzerman

            we are saying the same thing, haha. We both agree that Legwand was picked up because Zib and Turris arent bonafide #1C’s. you said in an earlier post you felt Murray “might have” been saying Zib was ready for #1 now.

    • Frankie Fives

      I don’t think there will be much of a disparity between the 2nd and 3rd line this season. I think we will see Turris’ line as #1 and then 2A and 2B with ZBad and Legwand’s lines. This absolutely forces MacLean to use Smith as a 4th liner though

      I actually like the current line-up. More of a balanced top 3 lines. You can roll them and if one line is hot, give them more minutes that night

  • Rafi Bomb

    How are the Sharks “loading up on tough guys”? Hannan isn’t a tough guy.

    • Sensnation

      What?

      • Rafi Bomb

        Senschirp has a tweet stating “Watching the Sharks load up on tough guys reminds me of this old Nintendo game. All fat guys never worked!”

        I am curious as to why he made this statement because San Jose hasn’t really loaded up on tough guys.

        • Sensnation

          Ah ok, sorry, hadn’t refreshed.

    • SensChirp

      John Scott. Michael Haley. Mike Brown

      • Rafi Bomb

        When was Haley signed and was it a one way or two way contract?

      • FBP

        Mike Brown too. It’s weird. Wilson is going against the curve and he always strikes me as one of the better GMs. Maybe he knows something we don’t.

      • FistsofNeil25

        I think Doug Wilson is sending Thornton and Marleau a message

        “Look boys, I’m going to play the shit out of John Scott, Mike Haley and Mike Brown so you may as well both just waive your no-trade clauses cuz this ship is going down”

        • SensChirp

          I actually think it’s Wilson’s way of making it appear like he’s making big changes when really, it’s pretty much the same dominant team.

          Sign tough guys to make it look like a dramatic rebuild.

          • FistsofNeil25

            I think he genuinely wants to rebuild and he’s still hoping that sooner or late Thornton and Marleau will waive.

            He’s done trying to “go for it” with Thornton and Marleau as a part of their core.

          • SensChirp

            Until one of those guys moves, there really hasn’t been big changes there. They’ll be good again next year. And maybe this time get a couple extra bounces go their way.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Was Haley a one or two way contract? They currently have 12 forwards on one-ways and Nieto and Hertl on two-ways. If Haley was a one-way contract then that’s 15 forwards on their NHL roster.

        • spezzerman

          I’ve joked that this is what he is trying to do but if it is true, just the most bizarre approach ever.

        • Rafi Bomb

          It is a response to Calgary who already had McGrattan and Bouma, then traded for Bollig and signed Engelland and Wolf. Treliving and Burke are big into intimidation and they have the right coach to take advantage of that in Hartley.

          • FistsofNeil25

            But that’s because they’re rebuilding. They want to have all these tough guys in their line up so that Monahan, Bennett and Goudreau can play theirs game. They’ve pretty much put a team of body guards around their young players.

            If they were a better team they wouldn’t waste as many roster spots on the goon-squad.

          • Rafi Bomb

            I see the purpose of adding Scott (although I think he is a garbage enforcer and they could have found a better guy for that role) because they don’t current;y have a heavy on the team or down in Worcester, but they probably could have signed him to a two way and then called him up if necessary.

            Brown was pretty good for them in the playoffs and him and Torres really created a lot of chaos so he serves his purpose on the 4th line.

            Adding Haley is a bit questionable but it depends on whether he got a one way or two way contract. On a two way it isn’t a bad pick up as he has decent AHL stats, can provide some leadership and toughness to Worcester and be a decent 4th line energy guy in San Jose if they need a call up.

            A lot of Western Conference teams seems to be getting bigger and tougher, so that is likely the intention of these moves. Although there are better guys out there like Carcillo and Morrow who could provide a similar role and actually play more minutes. Hell Todd Bertuzzi could have been a better option for them.

            So with Western Conference teams getting bigger and tougher, it will be important for Eastern Conference teams to have sufficient size and toughness in order to get points when they play the West.

      • Rafi Bomb

        Well John Scott is a shitty enforcer who is just big, so he is kind of a weird signing. Haley is a decent AHL guy and can be a serviceable 4th lien call up. Brown was one of their better players in the playoffs and provided a huge physical presence and Torres is a big hitter, a decent agitator and has enough offensive skill to be a bit of a threat in a bottom six role.

        I am assuming that the Scott and Haley signings are to deal with Calgary. I don’t know if they are the right guys for those roles but I see the intent. The Sens still need a bit more toughness themselves although Scott and Haley wouldn’t be the types to help us.

        • spezzerman

          why the hell would anyone need to “deal” with Calgary? hahaha

          • Rafi Bomb

            Well we do play Calgary a few times, but we need toughness to deal with a handful to teams like Brooklyn, Toronto, Boston, Philadelphia, LA, Columbus, Anaheim, St Louis, and San Jose

          • HamadBo$$

            its not brooklyn just yet

          • Rafi Bomb

            When do they officially switch the team name?

          • FistsofNeil25

            I don’t think the move to Brooklyn means their changing their name. Brooklyn is still New York.

          • HamadBo$$

            2015-2016

          • spezzerman

            I just laughed at the thought of anyone putting game plans together for Calgary.

            To your point, an ahl tough guy, just in case suits me. but to me, we are a big enough team to handle size. dont need to dress one dimensional fighters anymore

          • WaitingSince92

            Heh heh. Gave me a good chuckle too, just thinking of the coach and his asst’s in a meeting, “Forget Chicago, LA, St Louis Anaheim or anyone else – we need to put together advanced systems for our games in Calgary”.

  • FistsofNeil25

    We can still carry keep Lazar around next year but we would have to carry 14 forwards if both Hoffman and Stone stick around as well. We do have quite a few pieces that could be moved around to make room.

    MacArthur- Turris – Ryan
    Michalek – Legwand – Chiasson
    Smith – Zibanejad – Stone
    Greening – Lazar – Condra
    Neil
    Hoffman

    MacArthur – Turris – Stone
    Hoffman – Legwand – Ryan
    Michalek – Zibanejad – Lazar
    Greening – Smith – Chiasson
    Neil
    Condra

    MacArthur – Turris – Stone
    Ryan – Zibanejad – Chiasson
    Michalek – Legwand – Lazar
    Hoffman – Smith – Neil
    Greening
    Condra

    MacArthur – Turris – Stone
    Michalek – Zibanejad – Ryan
    Greening – Legwand – Chiasson
    Smith – Lazar – Condra
    Hoffman
    Neil

    Obviously this scenario leaves two forwards in the press box every night but it’s not the end of the world. It would create a lot of competition for playing time. Maclean would have to be willing to scratch guys like Neil and Greening on occasion which is probably doubtful.

    • Sandy

      You can’t leave the young guys in the press box. They need to play.
      Still about 10 weeks to the starting of training camp. It should all be straightened out by then.

      • Sensnation

        There have been good points made recently that having Lazar as a 13th forward would be better than sending him back to junior.

        • Frankie Fives

          Not a chance. If the kid stays in the bigs, he’s gotta play to develop

    • Gavin Ray

      I imagine a greening trade because he is on the block.
      In the mystery trade, we aquire a top 6 winger.
      Im sure Ryan and Stone would regularly switch depending on chemistry.
      Condra and Neil can switch between LW to RW

      Trade – ZBad – Ryan
      MacA – Turris – Stone
      Michalek – Legwand – Chiasson
      Neil – Smith – Condra

      • FistsofNeil25

        and what about Lazar and Hoffman? The scenarios I posted above were if Lazar, Hoffman and Stone all make the team.

        • Pasky

          Lazar won’t be on this team for the whole season. I think they play him during his 9 game stint but unless he really blows everyone out of the water he’s going back to juniors.

          • Frankie Fives

            He has nothing left to accomplish in Junior. Unless he is way out of his league in training camp or early in the season, I don’t see how sending him back makes any sense

          • Pasky

            Too many bodies. Not saying he isn’t good enough but if we don’t end up making a trade to make room for him then there’s no room for him. And Melnyk is cheap so he won’t pay someone NHL salary in the minors just to add another NHL salary when there’s no reason to rush him in. Like I said though this all depends on how he performs in training camp but don’t expect him to be a lock on the team.

          • Frankie Fives

            I still believe at least 1 trade will happen before training camp opens. There are just too many NHL players on this team right now. Hoffman is a player Tim Murray likes so I can see something happening there

          • Pasky

            So do I, but even then if the trade doesn’t involve a RW I still don’t see where he fits. We know that Turris, Zibby and Legwand have the top 3 C positions, and Smith will be the 4th. Even if Smith gets traded I would rather have Grant there instead of Lazar only because I don’t want Lazar to have to carry Neil and a combination of Greening, Hoffman or Condra around all year. He’s an offense guy and belongs in the Top 3 Lines.

            And with Ryan, Chiasson & Stone pretty much locked in on the right side there just isn’t room for him. I’ll stop speculating until I see a trade but if the trade doesn’t happen then he’s going back to junior after his 9 games.

          • Frankie Fives

            Murray even said they may put Lazar at C this season although that was before the Legwand signing. I really think Smith and a winger will be traded and Lazar will slide in. Michalek and Ryan can both play LW as well so I’m not really worried about it. In the end, I’m sure they’ll do what’s best for both the team and Lazar himself

          • FistsofNeil25

            Yeah that’s entirely possible but the potential line ups I posted above are if Lazar does make the team. Obviously there’s a good chance he goes back to junior.

          • Sensnation

            I’d be amazed if Murray sends him back to Junior. Every press conference he sounds like Lazar is at least penciled into the top 13 forwards.

      • Pasky

        That’s what I’m hoping for Myself. If we can get Michalek on the 3rd line from upgrading Greening then that’s a playoff forward group.

    • spgottawa

      Don’t understand why so many scenarios have Stone pencilled in ahead of Chiasson. Look at the numbers
      Stone 19 games , 8 points
      Chiasson 79 games, 35 points

      • sprucesens

        20×4=80 games. 8 x4=32 points. Almost identical ppg production….

      • FistsofNeil25

        Those are just examples and mostly because Stone has shown very good chemistry on a line with Mac and Turrie.

      • Jakester

        Multiply 19 games by 4 and he has the same amount of points as Chiasson. I remember Stone ruling at the World Juniors? Chiasson? So it isn’t that far fetched. Two good players Bro!

      • Frankie Fives

        Ryan can easily play on line 2 and get #1 PP time and put up 30+ goals. It’s called BALANCING YOUR OFFENSE. Stone played well on the top line after Ryan was shut down last season

    • WaitingSince92

      I see your point, but lineups like these are the one reason there must be at least one more deal in the works. Our bottom six is crowded, and we have young guys who need a shot. We also have a few call-up possibilities, one of whom could stick (Prince, Puemple, Grant, Dziurzynski – sp?), not to mention the absence of Pageau in your lineups.

      So no sure-fire prospects, but lots that we need to give a shot to see if they are NHL-ready. Same thing on D, more or less.

  • AutoTurris

    I think, as Chirp has alluded to with his line projections, that Hoffman / Zib / Stone should be our third line moving forward. They have experience playing effectively with each other and they all have projections for top 6. Future 1st line? Not ruling it out, but I’d love to see that trio on 3

    • Sensnation

      Hoffman 1st line? Even top 6 is a stretch for him. PP specialist maybe. I guess he’s the new Conacher for fans.

      • Rafi Bomb

        His point production in the NHL is poor for a player his age and the type of role he is in. He will need to produce immediately in order to get a roster spot.

        • Sensnation

          Agreed. He needs a Bochenski level pre-season with our number of players.

          • sprucesens

            what he needs is a legit chance playing with other scoring forwards. He’s played 29 games paired with guys like smith, neil, condra and greening. Not even spezza could produce with these guys, other than the one year that greening and spezza somehow clicked, which was an anomaly. Give him a chance with either legwand or zib centering him, with another scoring winger like stone, ryan, chiasson, and he’ll do well. I imagine he is ahead of most players in the AHL, because he’s our top offensive producing LW, with only puempel chasing him. I’d say his spot is safe unless he’s traded

          • Sensnation

            Not sure which stats you’re looking at, but according to Behind the net, at 5v5 Hoffman played with Zibanejad the most, 41.3% of the time. Then Condra (39.8%), and Ryan (30.9%) among forwards.

            http://www.behindthenet.ca/nhl_time_on_ice_stats.php?ds=8&f1=2013_s&f2=5v5&f5=OTT&c=0+1+3+5+8+9+10+11+12+13+14+15+16+17+18+19+20+21+22+23+24+25+26+27+28

    • AutoTurris

      Or have a 2B role

    • Gavin Ray

      Zibanejad would probably be in that category, Stone will get close but I cant see Hoffman there any time soon.

    • Rafi Bomb

      Hoffman is far from a lock to make the team. That was made clear by Randy Lee’s comments when Binghamton was in the playoffs and Murray’s comments after Hoffman got re-signed. He could possibly play a third line role, but he needs a big summer and strong training camp to make it.

  • Gavin Ray

    Does anyone know who the mystery trade is targetting?

    • FistsofNeil25

      I’ve heard rumblings that it could be Ovechkin.

      • sprucesens

        greening/ovie swap, money in money out. its kosher!

    • bluebuyyoo

      Shaggy, Scooby, Fred, Daphne and Velma.

      Oops. Sorry. Thought you asked for the mystery van :-)

    • Sensnation

      I think that’s the issue, we have no team or names to go on other than those that rumor sites give out all the time. It could be a top 9 forward or it could be a top 4 d upgrade. It could also never come to fruition, but Murray did think it would work out in the end.

    • FistsofNeil25

      In all seriousness though there haven’t been any details leaked. There were rumors about Stewart, Hodgson or Sharp but that’s about it. No one has any idea who the target was and at this point it’s probably safe to assume the deal is dead.

      • Sensnation

        Some fans expected it to be imminent, but Murray was clear there was still work to be done on the deal to satisfy both sides. Its been 9 days since, we still have 2 months to go.

        • FistsofNeil25

          Didn’t Murray say that it was pretty much just a matter of the other team picking one of our prospects?

          I think the deal he was working on at that time could very well be dead, but he’s probably working on other things.

          • Sandy

            His sickness could have delayed it as well or the other team wanted prospects Murray wouldn’t agree to.

          • WaitingSince92

            The latter is more likely. I don’t think Lee and Dorion would allow Murray’s health to hamper or slow down business in any way, shape or form.

          • Sandy

            Murray has the final say.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Do you really think Murray would allow his illness to slow down business? He’s probably on his blackberry as we speak.

          • Sensnation

            I think it would be reasonable if with 2 months left in the summer to do another move or two, Murray and his team took a week or two off while he dealt with his illness. I love the community support for the guy’s will and strength, but he still has final say and we should expect that he may miss some time here or there.

          • Sensnation

            Murray said “We continue to talk, we’ve had discussions about a trade that has gone on for a period of time now, it’s just a matter of if we can get satisfaction both ways.”

            He also said “I just talked to the team and it looks like they’re stalling to pick one of our prospects that I’ve included in the package.”

            Shows it’s been ongoing for a while and the resolution to it is unknown.

          • FistsofNeil25

            That’s what he said after the Legwand signing. On July 1st he said it was just a matter of the other team picking a prospect, or so he thought.

          • Sensnation

            I got that from the July 1st post Spezza trade news conference.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Oh okay well he said it after the Legwand signing as well. He also did say the part about the other team picking a prospect.

            This sounds like a Tim and Bryan deal to me.

          • Sensnation

            Trading for Stewart makes me sad lol

      • Andrews theory

        I didn’t want to be the one to leak it but were trading for Ovechkin. Spoiler alert!

        • spgottawa

          The market has almost caught up to Ovie’s salary. Lol

  • sprucesens

    chirp I disagree about your ice hockey tweet. The fast guys kicked ass. Especially if you play in top speed. They goon everyone and shoot so hard there is no time to react. I went something like 40-0 over a weekend against all my friends a couple years ago. Then got cocky and bet mcdonalds supper. Lost 2 games in a row, are currently my only 2 losses in “recent” history, playing this game, lol. Honestly, its a great game, but i’ll never live down the 2 games I lost, cuz they were the 2 that mattered. THAT does remind me of the sharks, lol. Winning all the regular season games, then losing in the playoffs!

  • sprucesens

    seriously, how are some people already writing off Hoffman from playing in the top 9? He’s our top offensive producer for what 2-3 years in the AHL? He’s also the fastest guy on the ice every game, despite the fact that greening and michlaek seem to win the fastest skater award. He uses his speed on every shift and has shown excellent skill every time he’s been on the ice. He’s made a few rookie mistakes no doubt, but so does ceci, stone and so on. Give the guy some talent on his line, and he’ll be a point getter. To me he’s like a smaller version of kessel, (in reference to his speed and shot) but obviously won’t get to that kind of star status. But 40-50 points is certainly not out of reach if we let him play his game with solid talent

    • Andrews theory

      He’s certainly a guy that has surpassed expectations at every level nit reason to think that he won’t continue to beat the odds

      • WaitingSince92

        This isn’t a simple yes or nit situation though.

    • Sensnation

      I’m assuming you didn’t see my post below?

      Which stats are you looking at? According to Behind the net, at 5v5 Hoffman played with Zibanejad the most, 41.3% of the time. Then Condra (39.8%), and Ryan (30.9%) among forwards.

      http://www.behindthenet.ca/nhl_time_on_ice_stats.php?ds=8&f1=2013_s&f2=5v5&f5=OTT&c=0+1+3+5+8+9+10+11+12+13+14+15+16+17+18+19+20+21+22+23+24+25+26+27+28

      • FistsofNeil25

        Yeah he had plenty of opportunities to play with skilled players. He was practically a fixture on our first unit powerplay playing the point with Karlsson after his second call up last year.

        He’s small perimeter player. He took a lot of shots from the outside that have little chance of beating an NHL goaltender. He needs to to show a lot more than just speed if he’s going to stick in the NHL.

        • sprucesens

          still, VERY low TOI and usually in defensive roles, which is where zib was mostly used too. Put him in some offensive roles, and i think we’ll be pleasantly surprised. All i’m asking for is to give the guy the year to prove he can hack it. under 30 games is too little for him.

      • sprucesens

        sorry i didn’t, but thats an excellent site! How the heck did he get on the ice with ryan? I would guess during changes, because he was never “on his line”. I think he was with condra and zib lots, which the stats agree with. Just a little different than a guy like stone who was with spezza, turris and MacA most. Oddly enough, i think most of the time hoffy got points, he was playing with those better players on the PP.

    • WaitingSince92

      Agree with you on a lot of this, but he’s certainly no Kessel. Smaller yes, but I hope you also meant lesser because Kessel is a pure offensive threat, one of the best in the league.

      • sprucesens

        yeah, not saying he’s anything close to kessel. Just he reminds me of the same type of player. A winger with super speed that just blows by defenders. And he’s clearly been able to do it at every level he’s played, so we just have to give him time, and put him in a position to succeed, rather than set him up for failure, then say “told you he sucked”. Better to give our offensive guys a good chance to see if they can make it

    • Deadly

      His back is against the wall,bottom of the ninth,do or die,now or never,no tomorrow..
      That’s the deal, the hand he’s been dealt.
      He needs to produce this year ,early or he will playing elsewhere.
      That’s just the way it is.

      • WaitingSince92

        Whoa! So you’re saying he should probably give 110%, leave it all out on the ice, play balls-to-the-wall, no-holds-barred, take it one shift at a time, step it up, take it to the next level and put on his game face because it’s gut-check time?

        • Deadly

          That about it , folks.
          How would Bob Cole sum it up.

      • sprucesens

        i just don’t understand, less than 30 games, and he’s GOT to produce. We’re on 3 years for guys like greening and condra. In 1 year, hoffman is likely to produce close to their TOTAL points. lol

  • Sandy

    Should be interesting to see how these changes go down in the AHL.

    http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=456890

    • Deadly

      Saw a good Binghamton write up on Fansided site.

  • Sensnation

    Damn that’s some real hate for Cleary. He brought that organization so much for so long!

    • Sensturion

      They’re just mad that the only player they’ve been able to sign is Cleary. They are realising that Detroit and playoffs aren’t synonymous anymore.

      • Sensnation

        True. I guess they’re finally catching up to sens fans. Too bad Alfie missed that memo.

      • Sandy

        I think 3 or 4 UFAs they were after went to other teams. That usually doesn’t happen with Detroit.

        • Sensnation

          1 of them came to Ottawa! Go SENS! :)

        • WaitingSince92

          Wouldn’t it be crazy if Detroit just tanked and had a lottery pick to build their franchise back up? It could happen with a couple of key injuries. Just shows how much Lidstrom added to their franchise.

    • Pasky

      It’s no different to this fan base’s hate on Phillips

  • Spoons

    Have you heard the word?

    • AutoTurris

      Bird?

    • Gavin Ray

      I hear the word is sadness

    • sprucesens

      wella wella wella bird bird bird, bird is the word!

  • Kumar

    Since Bryan being going through treat, I believe there won’t be much of an action in Ottawa front. Any news on Reeds ? IS he coming back as an assistant coach or Ottawa looking to address the gap.

    Hope Dorion is talking to Ryan and Methot camp.

  • Sandy

    Okay, since there isn’t much to talk about, can we now speculate why David Legwand took the #17 instead of his #11?

    • http://www.crashthenet.ca/ Luc Wolfe

      CAUSE ALFIE IS RETURNING!!!
      or his younger brother will play for him.

      • zippy

        Let it go

        • Gavin Ray

          let it go
          cant hold back anymore
          let it go
          let it go
          turn away and slam the door

          • the dj

            Lets bring Alfie back on a 1 day contract and let him retire a SEN

    • IAmThePaulrus

      He probably didn’t wanna be “that guy” … either out of respect for what he did in Ottawa or just a desire for change hockey players stay away from taking on certain numbers.. i mean no one’s stepped up to wear Shane Hnidy’s #34 since.. not one player

    • BFR

      I’m guessing he didn’t want to be seen as trying to fill those shoes….. Although CMac got Alfie’s stall and did OK, so maybe Legwand is just paranoid. :oS

    • laffin681021

      Nobody will wear #11 in Ottawa again.

    • sprucesens

      1 word. Respect. Not spelled with a “K”

    • Frankie Fives

      Because he’s not a douche?

    • spgottawa

      Ummm. Even if he’d thought about I’m sure someone on the Sens staff would have made sure the number was unavailable. Due to be retired in a couple years….

    • WaitingSince92

      No need to speculate. It’s pretty obvious.

  • SensFanInMTL

    Does anyone know the exact prognosis to Murray’s illness? Hope he’s in the right direction for recovery.

    • Deadly

      Let’s leave this one alone.
      He has earned our respect. (Respict)

      • SensFanInMTL

        Are you sure he won’t make it? I wanna stay positive. He is, the Ottawa Senators.

        • zippy

          What aren’t you getting here? Leave it alone.

          • SensFanInMTL

            I probably shouldn’t have asked. Obviously had no intention of pissing anyone off. Especially if I knew you it felt like someone shat in your cheerios.

          • Frankie Fives

            It’s a delicate subject. There’s no sense in asking questions that the Murray family hasn’t openly given us answers to. Some things don’t need to be discussed publicly

        • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

          Leave it alone… If he wants you to know you will know

        • cups

          shut the fuck up and pray

    • laffin681021

      Do we even know what type of cancer? Not that we need to know or shall we request to know but regardless, treatment for cancer can be a tough long road so they probably won’t know anything for awhile. But we should just leave it alone and let him win the battle like we all know he’s going to.

  • Jakester
    • Jakester

      Little dev camp action

    • http://www.Merchaholic.ca Merchaholic

      Who’s #69? lol.

      • FistsofNeil25

        McCormick

  • sprucesens

    strange, sobotka left for the khl, rather than play for the blues. Must have been a big money offer from the K

    • jtf927

      i just read this same story on TSN. i am actually glad that murray held out and agreed on the dallas trade. this may have happened to us. i do not mean to be discriminatory..but i am happy that the majority of our roster is compromised of Canadian players.

    • FistsofNeil25

      I think he’s getting 4M in the KHL. He’d probably get 3M in the NHL so it is strange that he would leave. He’s a good player. St Louis is going to miss him for sure.

      • Michenator

        not taxed in the KHL I believe.

      • MethotToMyMadness

        4M in KHL is much more than 3M in the States, especially since the money in the KHL is usually cash, without taxes. When it’s all said and done, he’s pocking it all, and not losing more than half.

        Then factor in the other big reason people seem to miss, he will more than likely be playing top line minutes, or top 2 line minutes, which is something he won’t be doing in St Louis if he stayed. While originally a C, he’s been playing LW and still can’t crack the top lines, he lost minutes this year to Jaden Schwartz. So no doubt he’s being offered more time.

  • ProfessorPower

    I think we can get Evander Kane but we have to realize it has to be a money in money out scenario, with the internal budget we can probably take 1-2 mil back after Lehner signs. So the Prince + Puempel + Stone ideas would not work at all for the sens. I think I read the Jets need a top 4 LHD and a top 9 LW + picks and prospects if needed. My offer would be Wiercioch + Greening + 2nd 2015 + prospect (Prince Puempel Hoffman Grant) for Kane + pick (based on the prospect we give up)…although personally I think this is a slight over payment and Kanes value is less than what we suspect, im willing to overpay in order to set our forward core for years to come, as well as entice Ryan,Macarthur, and future UFA’s to sign/extend with us.

    Lineup:
    Macarthur-Turris-Ryan
    Kane-Zibanejad-Stone
    Michalek-Legwand-Lazar
    Chiasson-Smith-Neil

    Cowen-Karlsson
    Methot-Ceci
    Philips-Gryba

    I know people are going to harp at me for having Chiasson on the 4th line but most of you complain about how that line needs to be better. With this lineup, every line has Grit Size Speed Scoring and is also Defensively responsible..would be very hard for other teams to compete with us when we have a 4 line attack. Every line plays, every line contributes. Move/Exchange Chiasson Lazar Stone and Michalek for when one of them is ‘hot’ or ‘cold’.

    This is what I want to see, and I think it is doable from a value AND contract perspective. (this season Greening + Wiercioch are worth 4.95, next season 5.9..Kane is making 6)

    • Jakester

      yeah we picked up Chiasson to play 4 th line??? He’s a right winger.

    • FistsofNeil25

      Wiercioch isn’t a top 4 d though. I think it would have to be one of Cowen or Methot,

      I really like his game but people have raised a good point about Kane. If he isn’t happy playing in a city like Winnipeg, is Ottawa much different? I don’t think so. He needs to go to a big market team where hockey isn’t the only major sport. He’s do great in a city like Philadelphia or LA.

      I would give up pretty substantial assets to get a player with Kane’s skillset, but I don’t think Ottawa will go there with him considering the red flags.

      • Jakester

        I don’t mind Cowen, Greening, plus prospect especially if it gets the deal done

      • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

        As Meh as Ottawa is…it is roughly a million times better than Winnipeg.

        • FistsofNeil25

          It’s just the fact that he’d be under the microscope here. Someone with his kind of personality needs to get away from that.

          • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

            Can’t deny the microscope…not sure he needs to avoid the attention though.

            Really though, other than the Vegas picture what else has he done that has formed peoples opinion about him?

          • FistsofNeil25

            Jets fans on other sites say he’s just not a community guy. Apparently he’s a massive jackass around town. He’s apparently skipped out on dinner bills and been involved in altercations at local bars. I believe there was even an alleged assault case in Vancouver last summer or something like that.

          • sens88

            I haven’t really heard of him doing anything else, but people always talk about him being hard to coach, and I think they bench him sometimes for his attitude. But I guess it must be frustrating to be a really talented player on a crappy team.

        • A-Train

          It’s better. But as Fister points out the ingredients for trouble are the same: Big hockey market, lack of other local celebrities, etc.

        • FBP

          IMO not meh, more ah-meh-zing.

      • Pasky

        I’ll agree with this. I don’t think Kane’s attitude would change in Ottawa compared to Winnipeg.

      • ProfessorPower

        Wiercioch will be top 4, and is a pick mover which would be appealing to the Jets with the absence of Byfuglien on the back end. More so than Cowen I believe.

        I think Ottawa is a great city, a hidden gem imo. If you don’t like winter than yes, but it’s far far better of a city than Winnipeg. I think people don’t want to come here based on the team (not a contender yet) and the budget..not the city itself.

  • Max Power

    Nick foligno is a 2015 ufa, how good would he look on a third line here?

    • FistsofNeil25

      Imagine if we lost Methot to UFA next summer and then signed Foligno?

      I’m sure Columbus will re-sign him. He’s a big part of that team.

      • Max Power

        a man can dream…

    • MethotToMyMadness

      I’ve always liked Foligno, but Methot was the perfect return in that deal. Both are just as valuable. If we could pry him from CBJ as a UFA, I’d have to think the Sens look at the option.

      • Pasky

        Yea that was a good ol fashion hockey trade. Good for both teams for sure, although since I followed Foligno in junior I was a little disappointed to see him traded away.

  • FistsofNeil25

    Speaking of Foligno and Columbus, they just signed Dubinsky to a six year extension.

    • FistsofNeil25

      5.85M per year. I remember when he first got traded to Columbus from New York in the Rick Nash deal. He looked like someone just ran over his dog. He seemed so devastated. Now he’s become one hell of a player and is going to be a huge part of that team going forward at 5.85M per season. Wow

      • HamadBo$$

        Well I think he deserved like 4.5-5 but then again if Bolland got 5.5 then he deserves what he got

        • FistsofNeil25

          This is the new NHL we’re seeing now. Pretty crazy stuff. How are all these contracts going to look like when the cap comes crashing down again in a few years?

          • HamadBo$$

            How is the salary cap determined? Is it like determined at the CBA?

          • sens88

            The NHL and players association negotiate it every year I believe.

          • Frankie Fives

            It’s based on revenue after each season

      • spezzerman

        Dubinsky ended up being the best player involved in that deal…;)

      • MethotToMyMadness

        CBJ is one of those teams that players don’t seem keen on going too, however once they arrive and play and get treated well by the Management and Fans, they end up liking it and thriving. Best thing they ever did was move Nash.

      • Sandy

        Is this what MacA could now be looking at? And what does it mean for Ryan?

        • Pasky

          I think Mac at 5M if he produces another 50+ point season.

  • Mclovin

    How bad does that cowen contract look now that gudbranson signed 2 x 2.5 ?

    • HamadBo$$

      Gudbranson is going to want a huuge raise

    • Frankie Fives

      Cowen signed long term. Gudbranson signed a bridge deal. If he plays well during those 2 years, he’ll cash in large

  • Pasky

    Here’s a good read on CBC about the logjam in our roster, and how guys like Lazar, Puemple & Prince probably won’t be on the team next year. It’s nothing new for us but at least the media picked up on it as well.

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/young-sens-players-try-to-crack-lineup-dominated-by-loyalty-1.2703325

    • Andrews theory

      Something has got to give, based on managements comments they anticipate Lazar and Hoffman to challenge for roster spots. It would suck to lose Hoffman simply because They want Lazar on the team and can’t move out one if greening, Condra or Neil

      We could see a scenario where we have a revolving door for the 13th forward and injuries inevitably pop up over the year but that still leaves a log jam that isn’t easily fixed. I’m leaning more and more towards sending Lazar back to juniors

      • FistsofNeil25

        If Lazar, Hoffman and Stone all make the team we would be carrying 14 forwards. Unless there’s a Q4Q deal coming then either Lazar will go back to junior, Hoffman will be put on waivers or Stone will start the season in Binghamton.

        It would be nice to see all three of them make it this year but I don’t think that’s very likely at this point.

        • Pasky

          We would carry 14 but Pageau would be in the AHL, so it’s 15 counting him. This is honestly why I’d be surprised if Lazar makes the team anyways. There’s other players that have paid their dues to the organization like Stone, Hoffman, Puemple, Pageau, Prince & Grant. If the team wants to model themselves like the Red Wings then they’re going to take their time to develop players so there’s no rush for him.

          Hoffman has a spot on the team as we only have 4LW players anyways, and any trade we do will involve Greening as the money out so I’m not worried for him.

          • Senatollah

            it should have nothing to do with “paying their dues”. I dont want a team filled with O’Brians and Da Costa’s. I want the best players to play, and i want those bubble players to have a chance. Wouldn’t it be nice to see what we have with a Prince for example. Some players cant play big in the AHL but can really blossom at the NHL level just as much as some players with always be AHL allstars and not much at the NHL level.

          • Frankie Fives

            Pageau is an AHLer. He will not make the team even if they send Lazar back to Junior

      • Conor_smythe

        Maybe Zibby will hit the Molly (ecstacy) hard again this summer, and get cut again.. makes the decision easier for the team

    • Senatollah

      YUP. Sums it up perfectly. Remember when a Vermette, a Meszaros, a Volchenkov made the team unexpectedly. That they had the opportunity to crack the line up.
      Teams have to manage 50 contracts! Its part of the reason years ago in the AHL Andre Beniot left to the KHL – saw no space. When he had no takers a few years later he agreed to be a mentor in the AHL with a chance to fill in. He got it then bolted.

  • Pasky

    Also does anyone know the stipulations to Michalek’s and Legwand’s NTC? Just curious as even though the Sens signed them I can also see them traded at the deadline if we suck this year, to make a roster spot available and add draft picks. Legwand more than Michalek though.

    • Hax

      Michalek signed for three years and Legwand for two – they’re not getting traded at the deadline (this year that is).

  • dasammy89

    soo nobody saw this? According to Vancouver Radio Station, Jets’ Evander #Kane want to play with #Sens. @Jean nafulu

    • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

      Hmmm VERY interesting, but who the hell is Jean Nafulu?

      • spezzerman

        just a normal dude by the looks of it. didnt say what radio station so who knows if this is legit. No one else is mentioning it, and you have to assume that would get a twitter reaction.

        • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

          Just responded and added Kane…knowing how he doesn’t have the best judgement at times maybe he will respond haha

      • dasammy89

        lol not sure some guy on twitter..dont think its a troll though

    • Turbo_Prop

      If true, it’s too bad he doesn’t have an NMC, and we could actually benefit from a player being picky about where he wants to be traded to

    • FistsofNeil25

      hmmmmm if this were true I would definitely pay up. If he actually WANTS to be a Senator then his attitude issues would be much less of a concern.

      • dasammy89

        some other guy replied to me on twitter and said that it makes sense since kane is always in ottawa…which i didnt know

        • FistsofNeil25

          Maybe he’s got a girl here lol

        • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

          I have actually heard this too to be honest.(I don’t think we are perceived as that bad of a city to live in)

          • PraiseAlfie11

            Ottawa is a great city if you have kids. A 22 year old with fat stacks in vegas? I would figure NYC or LA.

        • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

          Hahaha so randomly I used to play football with the guy that mentioned Kane is here often.

          • dasammy89

            lol wtf that’s ottawa for you

          • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

            That was my exact reaction.(Not sure how much inside information he has)

          • Magnus Nor

            American-football or football? :DDD

    • Sandy

      You here Dorion et al talking about drafting character. Character seems very important to the Sens.
      To me that says they stay far away from E Kane.

      • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

        What has he done other than the one Vegas picture?

      • FistsofNeil25

        so we need to have 23 character players? I guess skill doesn’t mean anything anymore in these Canadian markets.

        • Sandy

          Of course skill matters. But they also want character players. Some of those players have both.
          Listening to the draft preview that Sens TV had, you hear them talk of the skill of one player but then they say not the type of guy they want on the Sens.
          A lot of us assumed they were talking about Ho Sang.

          • FistsofNeil25

            I heard the same thing but there’s enough character on this roster that we can add a player like Kane, especially IF he legitimately wanted to play for Ottawa. As of right now we have more character than skill.

          • Kohlmanator

            Agreed, just let Neiler straighten him out!

        • Sandy

          Having said that, Kane’s agent is Newport Sports who reportedly have a great relationship with the Sens.

      • spezzerman

        we sure as hell better vet him internally first vs going off a bunch of speculation. Here’s the thing about kids, they mature.

    • spezzerman

      I’m beginning to think this guy likely pronounces his name “Naw-Fool-you”

  • Dirk-Diggler

    What ever happened to Jacob Markstrom? He was so high on the depth chart in FLA a couple seasons ago and then they dumped him to Van. Van is also showing no hope for the kid and he wan’t a trade. Would it be a good idea for the Sens to trade for him and also trade Anderson out? I know it would probably be too much pressure on young guys but how exciting would a Lehner-Markstrom tandem be?

    • spezzerman

      Goalies are so hit and miss and unpredictable. he has only played 47 NHL games but his numbers are pretty brutal. 3.19GAA and an .896 sv%.

  • Ek4Norris2015

    If we get Evander Kane, who do we give up? How much value does he have? Who on our team has value for the Jets? I think Wiercioch+Prince+3rd 2015 should do the trick, but do we want to give up Prince, a possible 20 goal scorer a great 5 on 5 producer, a potential top 4 6 foot 5 d man that yet has even come close to fill up his frame and has 40 to 50 point per year potential? To add a 3rd round pick in the best draft in a decade? For a 30 goal scorer with a attitude of teenage billionaire that maybe doesn’t even want to be in Ottawa? For me that’s a player I don’t want in my dressing room and I rather have the depth of Wiercioch, Prince and to have a 3rd round selection in 2015 then Kane. I would not be against a top 4 d man instead of Kane of the caliber of Bogosian or Myers But that’s not going to happen. So I would rather keep Wiercioch, Prince and that 3rd and still, Weircioch might have a huge rebound year and be that top 4 d man we need so much right now! GSG make the right move Dorion and Lee!

    • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

      No chance that is enough.

      • Ek4Norris2015

        Ok, replace Prince with Stone, makes the deal even worst for us :/ never would give up something like that for Kane. Stone probably will be even better then Kane in the future. 30 goals scorer, 40 assists a plus player, good attitude. Terrible deal, terrible.

        • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

          Why don’t we just send

          Rutkowski
          Shore
          Leblanc
          2015 5th round pick

          Thats a great deal for us.

          I can’t believe how many people think that teams will take our total crap for their star players.

          If you want Kane, you will be giving up AT LEAST one piece that you may not be 100% conformable losing

        • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

          Personally I hope if we are going after Kane we go balls to the wall and try to pry Bufyglien away as well say something along the lines of

          Kane
          Bufuglien

          Stone
          Prince
          Cowen
          Greening
          2015 1st

          2015 2nd(whichever one they want)

          Wahhn wahhn wahhn we won’t have a first next year…you add those two players and we will be right up there fighting for 1st overall in the east(maybe the league).

          I would also consider sending Anderson if they are interested and maybe dropping Cowen to either Gryba or Wiercioch(if it becomes an option)

          • FistsofNeil25

            Nah forget Byfuglien we need defensemen that can actually defend. Plus that trade would break Eugene’s budget. Let’s just stick with Kane.

          • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

            In so Effing sick of Eugenes Damn budget

          • Ek4Norris2015

            How about Chris Driedger? I mean Winnipeg have no goalies would they be interested?

          • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

            Or send Anderson (although I’m not convinced we move him) and hand the team to lehner and sign a serviceable older backup

    • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

      If we talk to Winnipeg and the discussions get serious I am 100% certain that they want Stone in the pkg, he is from the area afterall.

    • FistsofNeil25

      It would take more than Wierioch + Prince +3rd to get Kane. People have said the same stuff about Patrick Kane and Tyler Seguin with their off ice issues and look what they’re able to do when given a second chance? They’re complete game breakers and elite players. If Evander was given a fresh start in with a team he actually wanted to play for, he could turn in to something great.

      • Ek4Norris2015

        IF he wants to play here, who says that radio guy from Vancouver is legit, if he is well you may be right on this one, but if he comes here and doesn’t want to be here that’s a bust for us imo. If we give up Stone.

        • FistsofNeil25

          Agreed. It’s all based on whether he actually would want to be here or not. I think Sens management would have to have that clarified for them before ever pulling the trigger.

          If those reports from a Vancouver radio station are legit, then I would be willing to part with some good pieces in order to buy the upside Kane comes with and to have a player of his skill set.

          This is a 22 year old player with work class speed, the potential to score 30+ goals, throw 175+ hits and he can throw down with the best of them. He could add much needed speed, scoring, and toughness to our line up.

          • spezzerman

            absolutely, if you throw away the “character” talk, he is exactly the type of player Murray covets

          • Ek4Norris2015

            But if we wants to be here, he might throw away that bad character and enjoy is life in Ottawa! Maybe now he has bad character because he is in well Winnipeg, who wants to be there? It will sure bring some bad moods! I’m talking in the room right now, who cares what he does not hockey related.

    • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

      If I had to speculate I would expect something to the affect of

      Stone
      Wiercioch
      2015 2nd(I suspect it is a none starter unless we go first)
      Prince

      • spezzerman

        I love Cowen and think he is going to rebound into a solid top #4 dman but I wouldnt mind including Cowen in a deal to get Kane, assuming Kane was legitimately excited to come to Ottawa. And I could definitely see the Jets interested in a big Lefty prairie boy. After Enstrom, Mark Stuart is the next lefty in their Dman depth charts

      • ProfessorPower

        Not enough money going out, deal doesn’t work.

        • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

          Swap Cowen for Wiercioch and leave the pick at, 2nd

      • Frankie Fives

        I don’t think Winnipeg would accept this deal but if they did, I’d pull the trigger IF Kane truly wants to play here.

        The problem then becomes the budget. If they sign Lehner at around $3 million and acquire Kane for the package above, they’d be well over $58 million which I think is more than Melnyk wants to spend

    • PaulMacLeansDuster

      Kane is 22 with 5 years under his belt and is a legitimate 30 goal+ scorer, LW and power forward. I think it will take a lot to get him
      Lazar, Stone and a 2nd round pick next year may be enough. I don’t think they want d-men with Buff, Begosian, Trouba, Enstrom as top 4.
      I would love to have him. He would fit beautifully on Zib’s wing, although the price may be a little high unless they agree to take quantity over quality.
      In the end, Ottawa has way to many prospects for the number of positions available and getting a top line player for prospects is usually a good thing.

      • Ek4Norris2015

        If they mention Lazar to Dorion and/or Lee I think it will be a no starter for them.

    • spezzerman

      I’ve been trying to find it but I cant now but I do recall reading that the asking price from Winnipeg would center aroudn getting a top6F or top4d with term remaining. And I am sure you’d have to add at least another piece or two depending on that centerpiece

      I also read that their GM has only made like two minor trades in his time as Jets GM. Sounds like he is a little scared to make any moves

      • FistsofNeil25

        Cowen + Greening + Prince + 2nd/3rd round pick. Done deal.

        • spezzerman

          yep, and they really need a left handed dman behind enstrom

    • Pasky

      It would take a lot more than the offer you’ve got up there. Weircioch, one of Greening or Hoffman, Prince & 2nd 2015, and even then I’m not sure if that’s enough for Winnipeg. There’s quantity for sure but unless they have faith in Weircioch being a Top 4D for them there isn’t enough Quality for them.

  • spezzerman

    look at this monster doing monstrous things to…help kids?

    https://twitter.com/blgrieb/status/484735065742536704

    • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

      But but but but he took a picture in Vegas!

      • FistsofNeil25

        There were other things he’s allegedly done that seem very questionable but I won’t post them here. I’d like to see him in a Sens jersey if he actually wants to be here like that rumor suggests so I’ll refrain from posting anything that makes him look worse in the eyes of a Sens fan lol

        • spezzerman

          ya I know, but its not like he is a monster. And I’m pretty sure his assault charge last year or year before or whatever in Vancouver was thrown out because it was deemed self defense. Some dude tried to get tough and he didnt let him.

  • http://@CARLOSwSPECR1 CARLOSwSPECR1

    Remeber a certain player from the Pheonix Cayotes who demanded a trade? A lot of SENs fans labelled him as a “Brat” a “nobody who acomplished nothing yet” and “doesn’t deserve anything” “potentional lockerroom distraction” “Attitude problem” “ego” guy?
    Hint: He wears #7.
    We traded Rudblad — a defenceman that a lot of fans didn’t want to trade, because “he was going to be the next Lidstrom” or something.

    I’d trade Stone and whatever package needed to get Kane from ‘Peg. I rather give our young guys a chance to play — elsewhere if needed. You can’t deny what Kane can bring, a legit top 6 winger.

    • Zachpraisetheswedes

      This guy knows what’s up

    • Hax

      Murray clearly believed that Turris could thrive here and not be a problem child etc. If he believes the same about E Kane then bring him in!

    • dasammy89

      touche

    • ProfessorPower

      I would not trade Stone for Kane. I would want Stone feeding Kane passes all year.

      Wiercioch Greening 2nd Prince for Kane 4th.

      • A-Train

        In a Kane deal, Stone is the name that goes between TOP PLAYER and FIRST ROUND PICK.

    • Frankie Fives

      You lost me at Cayotes… lol

  • MethotToMyMadness

    Let’s just lay it down here on the whole Kane, what would it take talk. The starting price for a star player has already been set and we’ve seen it now about 4 times lately. So focus on that, which is a top 6 proven player. A prospect and a 1st round pick. That has been the starting point for all the talks, so it wouldn’t be any different.

    • Frankie Fives

      Which top-6 proven player did the Sens get in the Spezza deal? Chiasson is far from proven

      • sprucesens

        and kane is not yet in “star” category. He’s in the media all over the place for the wrong reason’s. A closer price assessment is a top 6 POTENTIAL player, a prospect with decent upside, and a 2-4th round pick based on the first 2 pieces value, if at all

        • Frankie Fives

          Exactly. No way do the Jets get a proven top-6 player, a prospect AND a first rounder. Not even close

  • FistsofNeil25

    Man I’ve been flip flopping over Evander Kane for days. Here’s the deal… IF this rumor mentioned on a Vancouver radio station is legit and Kane is interested in playing for Ottawa, the Sens should be all in. We have a ton of prospects and players who can play at the NHL level. Our system if over crowded right now but we’re lacking pieces that have game breaker ability. Evander Kane has that ability.

    If he actually wants to play for Ottawa then the Sens should be willing to part with significant pieces for him. If the asking price for Kane starts at a top six forward or a top four LHD, what does Ottawa have that fits that description?

    I would start the offer off with Cowen + Stone. Some people will say that’s too much and others will say it’s not enough

    Wiercioch won’t work. He isn’t exactly a top four guy and doesn’t seem to have that potential. If they want a defenseman with term left on his contract then Cowen might be the starting point. It would hurt to lose a player of Cowen’s potential but you have to give to get. Losing Cowen would leave us down a top 4 guy but someone has to be the odd man out.

    Stone has done everything we’ve asked from him and it looks like he’s on his way to becoming a solid pro. The problem is, if the Sens want to re-sign Ryan, play Lazar as RW, the right side gets very crowded pretty quickly with Chiasson in the mix as well. Someone has to go. Would Stone be of interest to Winnipeg? I would think for a market like that they would covet a home town boy that the fans can relate to.

    • AutoTurris

      I think Kane would be a great addition here; fresh start, skilled player, all that fucking jazz.

      But if I’m the management, and I’m looking at the trade we just made for our 1st line PPG player, I’m low-balling them much harder than Cowen Stone. We would be an embarrassment trading those assets while the Spezza trade is still hanging over us like a dead fucking goose.That’s ridiculous; two of our own home growns with massive fucking potential.

      I’m in on Kane but I’m looking for salary in – salary out with Greening in the mix. Sweeten the pot with Cowen or whatever else, but not straight out of the gate are we going to be offering up those two. Not a chance

      • FistsofNeil25

        Fair enough but people really need to stop comparing the price it took for Dallas to get Spezza to what it would take to acquire Kane. It’s a ridiculous comparison.

        Spezza is a 31 year old player with an injury risk and expiring contract. His career is more than half over.

        Kane is 22 with a unique skill set signed for four more season. Kane has higher trade value than Spezza.

        • Conor_smythe

          not to mention the contract situations

          Kane on contract is worth (way) more than Spezza on an expiring deal

          though, I would say that Spezza is the better player of the 2, even with the age difference

        • sprucesens

          spezza is also a PPG 1C on 95% of teams in the league. Kane right now is a 2LW, that everyone including winnipeg, is banking on becoming a 1LW. So far he’s paid as such, but hasn’t been able to stay healthy enough, nor create offense at that level. I like what kane brings, but not enough to give up our TOP prospects. In other words, no lazar or puempel. Stone would be considered moveable, because of ryan, chiasson and potentially lazar taking top RW spots.

      • Frankie Fives

        You sure do like F bombs, eh? lol

    • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

      If you go by the trades this year

      Stone
      Cowen
      1st

      Should be enough… Problem is Kane is still young so I think we need to add to that

      • http://@CARLOSwSPECR1 CARLOSwSPECR1

        Not necessarily a 1st — Only if the player is locked for some time. (Till 2018)
        Kane having only gotten 30 goals in a season once, and has only scored more than 20 goals ONCE, He’s no Bobby Ryan, and I guess the most rescently traded player that could be compareable was James Neal (Traded for Patric Hornqvist and Nick Spaling.)
        And if it’s “an elite” player with a shorter contract (Spezza) its bottom 6, 2x prospect, and 2nd.
        So, using that as a basis, I’m more inclined to think and treat Kane simillarly to the James Neal trade.
        No 1st round needed, top 6/9 + prospect. Throw in a 2nd if needed.
        I’d say Greening/Condra
        Stone/Prince

      • FistsofNeil25

        You can probably do it without the first. throw in a 2nd rounder or another prospect. Cowen and Stone have pretty good value.

        • sprucesens

          agree, if its those 2 AND a 1st, i say no deal. Make it dallas’ 2nd and i would probably do it. would be tough, but that is 3 very solid pieces, and should be more than enough to get kane

    • Rafi Bomb

      We aren’t moving Stone. The Sens are more likely to flip Chiasson, or trade Puempel first.

      • FistsofNeil25

        If fine with either of those options as well.

        Kane – Zibanejad – Ryan
        MacArthur – Turris – Stone
        Michalek – Legwand – Lazar
        Hoffman – Smith – Neil

        Let’s do it up!

      • Sensnation

        That makes no sense. Chiasson is the only piece here from Spezza trade, Puempel has the highest ceiling out of the 3. Stone would be the easiest to move.

  • JayRuN

    Why’s everyone talking bout aquiring e. Kane on here?? Somebody here a rumor or something??

    • spezzerman

      Some random dude on twitter heard a vancouver radio station say he wants to come to Ottawa…and its JULY, this is all we have!

      • ProfessorPower

        Whaaaat?

  • A-Train

    Lazar wouldn’t work in a Kane trade. He’s too highly valued by the Senators, and probably not valued enough by other teams around the league.

    Cowen MIGHT be appealing to Winnipeg. But there’s a leap of faith element for them, so Ottawa would need to sweeten the pot with more includding next year’s 1st.

    I think they’d want Zibanejad + . And that’s where it gets tough for me.

    • Hax

      I’m not willing to part with next year’s first … even though I can see how it could make sense in a trade.

      • A-Train

        Me neither. Bad idea. I also don’t want to part with Zibanejad, though that’s not entirely rational.

        It kind of surprised most of us when Murray talked up Zib recently as a future first line centre.

        I wonder if he was on the phone saying the same to Winnipeg?

        • Hax

          Yeah I am not willing to give up Zibanejad either. I get you have to give to get something but it doesn’t seem like the kind of thing we want to do if we move a guy we just drafted and developed. Though I’m okay with moving Cowen so essentially I’m contradicting myself.

          • sprucesens

            I think if i were trading for kane, something along the lines of

            Cowen, Prince, Dal 2nd
            for
            Kane, 3rd or 4th

            prince could be traded out for a few prospects, including goalie prospects. If they liked a different D more, not named ceci or karlsson, that’s fine. If they don’t want a D at all, the trade gets trickier.

            Maybe Greening, prince, dal 2nd? Has to work for money out, and still have some value. I doubt murray has any intention of trading our top young players already on the team. He wants to add to them using our prospect cupboard. I really think another team will over pay for kane though, and it might end up being as lopsided as the original spezza trade. (chara, spezza for yashin..)

        • ProfessorPower

          Trading Zib for Kane makes zero sense, the opposite of money in money out solution. Kills our Center core, and completely logjam our wingers..meaning we would have to make another trade..most likely for another center.

          • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

            I’ve yet to see any suggestions by anyone that you didn’t think was a horrible idea.

          • ProfessorPower

            Because people don’t take into account contracts. We can’t just throw three prospects at them, Sens can’t take back 5 mil. And Zib Lazar ect are horrible ideas.

          • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

            Pretty sure someone just posted that they are only at 41 contracts, so we actually do have the ability to toss them a few extra contracts. But fair enough I see your point.

          • A-Train

            To clarify, I am not outlining full trade proposals here. Just saying he’s a player they might want in a deal. Money needs to go out too, obviously.

            Also, I hope they don’t trade Zibanejad. I like him.

          • spezzerman

            Lazar is a center, not saying he is ready but without Zib, you’d still have Turris, Legwand, Lazar, smith, Pageau, Grant, etc.

            Personally, I wouldnt do it but it doesnt make zero sense, necessarily. whoever gets Kane will give up something as good as Zibanejad.

      • spezzerman

        totally agree, especially when a guy like say Koneckny could be a 15-20th pick next year

    • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

      I am really torn, I went to write that I think Zibby is giving up too much compared to other deals that have gone down(and do they need him, aren’t they in pretty good shape down the middle?), but then deleted it, and started to write that it probably makes sense due to the fact that Kane is still so young, and most of the other deals involved borderline past their prime players.

      So really I have no idea what Winnipeg would covet.

      • ProfessorPower

        James Neal is probably the better comparison. 26 year old 40 goals scoring LW power forward.

      • Tooks

        Bonino > Zib…Zib is no alot to give up, especially in return for Kane…

        • sprucesens

          man, is there any player on ottawa that you think is better than any other team’s players? If bonino is better than zib, do you think anaheim wouldn’t trade him for zib? they would have done that before we could realize what we’ve done. Bonino is already 26 and has 82 points in 189 games, and is essentially at his prime. I would ask you to describe why you feel he is better than zib. But i don’t care. Also, kane has broke 20+ goals once in 5 NHL years, and has a “bad attitude”. His stats are nearly identical to michalek. Would you trade zib for michalek?

        • Frankie Fives

          Hahahahahahaha! I thought you were a douche before this post but now I KNOW you are!!!!!

        • Jakester

          Your an idiot go pollute the Leafs sites please!

    • FistsofNeil25

      I don’t think Winnipeg has any need for Zibanejad. They have Little and Scheifele as their top two centers of the future and they just signed Perreault as well.

      A top six left winger if they trade Kane and they could also use a top 4 LHD.

      We could probably put together a good package involving players like Cowen, Wiercioch, Stone, Chiasson, Puempel, Prince and either of our 2015 2nd round picks.

      Kane will be traded for a high price, but we’ve seen a lot of trades go down in recent years and very rarely do teams part with important parts of their cores. I don’t think we would have to part with Turris, Ryan, Zibanejad, Karlsson, Ceci, Lazar or Lehner, but we would still have to part with something substantial.

    • ProfessorPower

      Then Spezza should have got Nichuschkin, and Kesler should have got Etem or DSP, Neal should have got Josi Jones or Forsberg. I know Kane is young, but he has a few parts to him that are going to hurt his value. I think we can put a package together that would be appealing to the Jets without giving up our top guys just like Dallas The Ducks and Nashville did.

      We are going to lose pieces we like, but make sense for our team. Ie Wiercioch because he have Ceci and Karlsson as puck movers, Puempel or Prince – trading 21 year old pure goal scoring LW’s for Kane, a 22 year old goal scoring LW.

      • Tooks

        Are you seriously comparing Zibanejad to Nichushkin…wow…

        • Frankie Fives

          Why not?

          Nichushkin 10th overall pick 34pts in 79 GP 0.43 PPG

          Zibanejad 6th overall pick 54pts in 120 GP 0.45 PPG

        • Jakester

          Yeah why not dumb dumb!

    • Jakester

      Zibanejad is more valuable than Kane. Zibby will be scoring 30 plus once he gets some ice time. Plus, he plays a solid 200 ft.

  • whammer44

    So if the jets would take Lazar and Cowen for Kane…would you do it?

    • Pat D

      no

    • whammer44

      Yes…yes I would.

    • ProfessorPower

      Hell no

    • Rafi Bomb

      No. Have you guys not paid any attention to the returns for all other reputable players this off season (Kesler, Spezza, Neal and Hartnell), we are not giving up top tier talent. So players like Lazr, Stone, Ceci, Zibanejad, Lehner and Cowen are a no go.

      The Jets would be looking at some combination of Hoffman, Puempel, Prince, Pageau, Chiasson, Wiercioch, etc.

      • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

        Although I agree, Kane is difficult to gauge due to the fact that he is significantly younger

        • Rafi Bomb

          He also has some attitude issues which will hurt his value and he has put the Jets in a position of weakness by making it blatantly evident that he absolutely doesn’t want to play there.

          The Jets will get a good return for him, but it will be close to what all those others players got in return.

          Another factor is that Murray is not going to overpay for Kane after he got a somewhat mediocre return for Spezza.

          • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

            I think his attitude is drastically exaggerated. There was one picture.. And an assault charge, that I believe was dropped as self defence.

            Other than that I see pictures of him with kids.

      • Kohlmanator

        I would hold on to Puemple. Pick two of the others and add a 2nd rounder :)

        • Rafi Bomb

          That should work. Kane could get a similar return to Bobby Ryan but we might just package more pieces together. We could also include the likes of Greening and/or Condra as throw ins to get the deal completed.

      • Senatollah

        Would be nice to know how many contracts (out of the 50) the Jets currently have, especially if looking at Quant for Qaul.

    • s3nsfan

      Not a chance.

    • FistsofNeil25

      It won’t cost us Lazar. We should recognized by now that whenever a team is trading a player of Kane’s caliber, they never get full value.

      I don’t think Pittsburgh got full value for Neal. Vancouver didn’t get full value for Kesler. We didn’t get full value for Spezza. Boston didn’t get full value for Seguin.

      New York overpaid for St Louis but Sather went all in to try and win a championship and it almost worked.

      • sprucesens

        that, and NTC with only 1 team (supposedly) on his list made a difference too.(st. louis) but i agree on all points

      • Jakester

        Our trade for Spezza was better than what other teams have gotten lately. 3 pieces that look promising and a second rounder.

    • spezzerman

      no, not for Lazar.

    • SENSible Voice

      Most definitely YES! I will always take a player with a track record over someone with “potential”. My only concern is the number of LW we would have. Ryan, MacArthur, Michalek and Greening are all LW but I believe Ryan plays right. But if you can make it work, the addition of Kane would certainly get us out of the rebuilding phase and transform us into a playoff team.

      Kane – Zibanejad – Ryan
      MacArthur – Turris – Stone
      Michalek – Legwand – Chiasson
      Hoffman/Greening – Smith – Condra/Neil

      Methot – Karlsson
      Wiercioch – Ceci
      Philips – Gryba
      Boro

      With or without Cowen, the defense is suspect but finding a slightly better than average Dman would solidify things back there.

      • Keregan

        flip wiercioch and smith to chi for Hiajlmarsson and we are set

        • SENSible Voice

          I would do that too… if we managed to land both Kane and

          Hjalmarsson at the cost of Cowen, Lazar, Wiercioch and Smith… we’d be much improved and problem become one of the contenders in the East.

      • laffin681021

        You must be on drugs. No way in hell would I do that trade. I wouldn’t even think about it. I’ve said over and over it takes many defenseman time to develop and get where they’re expected to be. Lazar is going to be as good as Kane if not better, with a much better attitude. That would be a steal for the Peg

        • SENSible Voice

          So you’re hoping Lazar turns out as good as Kane when you can already get Kane now, who’s only 22, and skip 4 years of development… who’s on drugs? Cowen will not reach the potential we thought he would so he’s replaceable.

          • laffin681021

            You’re 100% positive Cowen won’t reach that potential? You want to give up on Cowen over 1 bad season EARLY in his career when he’s still learning and coming of a major injury the year before? And what if Lazar develops into a better player then Kane? And even if he ends up about the same level or even a little bit below, you want to deal with Kane’s attitude? He’s giving WPG a hard time what makes you think he won’t want a trade in a couple years? I’d take Lazar and Cowen any day over Kane. I’m not saying I wouldn’t take Kane but you have to be on drug to offer Cowen and Lazar for him.

    • sprucesens

      not a chance. A lesser prospect and cowen maybe. But not lazar. a guy with attitude problems and has only hit over 20 goals once in 5 years, should not be landing our TOP prospect who is projected to be captain material, let alone plays a solid 2 way game, hits, fights, scores, and his team mates love him. No thanks

      • Hax

        Yeah I like Kane (if his attitude is okay) but some of the valuations I’ve seen seem to be based on his EA rating rather than his actual resume.

        • sprucesens

          haha, well said. also will be interesting to see how the sens EA ratings are this year, in HD! excited for the 9th of september!

    • Jakester

      No, Sens should target Sharp.

    • peetypuck

      No way, he’s only had one good year. He hasn’t proved himself yet, he has a bad reputation and it’s now quite evident that he wants out of the ‘Peg.

  • FistsofNeil25

    There it is! Lebron going back home to right a wrong. It’s your move now Daniel!

    • Jakester

      Cleveland in a perfect world would tell him to go F-Himself but money talks.

      • FistsofNeil25

        No way. He made a mistake and he acknowledged that. You should read the letter he just posted on his twitter.

        Lebron gets a lot of hate but he’s a true role model. What has he ever done that’s so bad? He’s going home. It’s perfect.

        • Pat D
          • FistsofNeil25

            As soon as the news broke, Lebron posted it on his twitter. I read it a couple times. Awesome stuff. I have nothing but respect for that guy. He’s possibly the greatest athlete on the planet and he’s grown up a lot. Pure class.

          • Tooks

            Yeah but can he play the way he had in Miami? He’s lost a step :P

          • FistsofNeil25

            Pffffffffffft

        • Jakester

          Damage control, his Ego is huge!

    • Sensnation

      Cleveland wanted Lebron back.

      • FistsofNeil25

        I was kidding. I’d rather see what we have in Chiasson, Stone and Lazar than turn the page back on Alfie.

        • Sensnation

          No I know, just couldn’t help myself from poking Alfie..

          • FistsofNeil25

            I don’t hold anything against him. He didn’t owe the fans or organization anything.

  • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

    Is anyone elses Disqus being completely useless? Mine isn’t updating with new posts at all. Just logged out and in for about the 15th time today.

    • FistsofNeil25

      Same.

      • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

        Perfect example, this post I had to refresh to even see.

        Frustrating….Oh well at least there is no sign of Tookie to waste my time finding what he says haha

  • AutoTurris

    Article on hockeybuzz says that we are among Toronto and Calgary in aggressively pursuing ROR. I say fucking right

    • FistsofNeil25

      That same exact articles claims we’re the most interested team in Thornton as well lol

      • AutoTurris

        Hahahaha, I didn’t even read that far honestly, okay well, credibility made be shot but still something nice to dream about

    • A-Train

      The O’Reilly thing in Colorado is pretty budget-related, right? Tough to see Ottawa as a good destination then. We’d want to send money back.

      Can’t see what the Leafs could really put together too. Calgary laid down that offer sheet, but that was Feaster.

      What’s Colorado’s biggest need? D?

      • spezzerman

        centre if they lose O’Reilly. I believe they used him as a center or planned to with the loss of Stastny. I think ROR plays any forward position well though

    • Brock

      But, Hockeybuzz.

      • AutoTurris

        But, I know, I’m scraping the bottom of the barrel here

        • A-Train

          it’s friday in july. scrape away…

    • Frankie Fives

      If he can come in and play LW then sure but it’ll cost a lot to get him

    • Pasky

      It also said we we’re the most interested in Thorton…

  • Miguel

    before leaving on vacation 2 weeks ago I was a disgrunteld sens fan, questioning how on earth this team would possibley improve, with an impending move of Spezza and a very weak defensive team, on a shoestring budge.
    I come back and we moved our Marque ppg centre, who on a given night was a highlite real, and picked up forwards to help out our terribly brutal defensive zone coverage!
    Going to be a very long season if this is what we are looking at!
    Anyone up for 1-0 and 2-1 games? Get used to it.

    • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

      I will take that over losing 6-4 every night.

    • Brock

      Spezza wasn’t the only one that could score goals. Don’t forget that we have the best offensive defenseman in the league. Bobby Ryan? Still put up points while dealing with an injury. This team can, and will, score goals.

    • Keregan

      It will still be way less painfull than watching the same team blowing up 3-1/4-1 lead :P

    • Sensnation

      Our goaltender and D isn’t good enough for 1-0, maybe 2-1 and 3-2.

    • sens88

      So you would rather lose 5-4 than win 1-0? Okay….

      Last time I checked we still have Karlsson… I think he’s been known to score some goals and get some points. Oh and Turris, Ryan, and MacArthur… did they get any points last year?

      • Magnus Nor

        If we only let in 1-2 goal its amazing :D

      • Miguel

        right…. win 1-0 with Phillips and Cowen in your top 4… keep dreamin

        • sens88

          Are you even a fan of this team, or of anything really?

          • Miguel

            Really???
            Been a long time fan, and don’t need to defend my loyalty to the Sens. What I am not a fan of is contented losers

          • Jakester

            What was our record the last two years without the human highlight floater in the lineup! Was pretty good I’m thinking Cuz in the 48 game schedule we made the playoffs!

    • spezzerman

      KArlsson runs the offense anyway.

    • spezzerman

      So, when is your next vacation?

      • Miguel

        why did you want to come? are you propositioning me Spezzerlessman? Little forward… no?

    • Jakester

      exactly – we’ll win more games forget the highlight reel – think it was broken anyhow was reeling backwards more often than not!

      • Miguel

        Nah i am thinking we lose more, and score less.
        I really think Spezza was the real winner in that one… Dallas looks stacked!

        • peetypuck

          Spezza scored 23 goals last year, 4th place on the Sens. Karlsson was right behind him with 20. Zibby had 16 goals playing 6 games less and 4 minutes less a game.

        • Jakester

          Dallas won’t even make the Playoffs.

    • Frankie Fives

      Hope you had fun on your trip! :)

      • Miguel

        thanks Cinco… great time and checked some MLB, pretty impressive

    • Deadly

      Last season without Spezza,we made the playoffs.

    • Frankie Fives

      I’m actually excited to see what this team can do next season. The Spezza Captaincy thing didn’t work out so that’s over. We’re a year removed from the Alfie debacle. This team can now move on from the old guard (other than CP4 and Neil) and build a new identity. On paper, they got bigger and younger so they will be harder to play against. I just hope the D can bounce back which I believe they will. EK is fully healed, Cowen will get a full summer of work outs instead of rehabbing the hip injury and guys like Ceci, Wiercoch and Gryba have more experience. Heck, there may still be changes coming too! Bring on the 2014-15 season. I believe this team will surprise many of you. At the very least, it’ll be fun to watch our young players develop

      GO SENS GO!

      • peetypuck

        I’d rather watch our young guys develop than watch Spezza stand around with his finger up his ass.

    • Zelle

      So one highlight reel goal a year, if that, is the reason for all the crying? Things aren’t that bleak…

      EDIT: If we resign Mac and Ryan things aren’t bleak.

      • peetypuck

        If we don’t resign them then it’s either McDavid or Eichel, welcome to the Ottawa Senators next June.

  • things that make me go hmmmmmm

    World Cup Finalists – Nationality of the last 2 Popes

  • Andrews theory

    Just picked up Red Blacks shirts for me, my boy and Grandpa, can’t wait to grab a tall boy and a dog to ring in a new era of football…. woot woot

    Jeff Hunt, you da man!

    • Senatollah

      he sure is, thanks for wasting my hard earned tax dollars on the 7th best site available for a stadium to be used under 10 times a year!!!!

      • Frankie Fives

        Yeah, cause the only thing built there is the football stadium (which will also be used for the soccer team)

  • MethotToMyMadness

    Way off Hockey, but it’s a major sports moment. LeBron James is going back to play basketball in his home state, returning to Ohio. I don’t know how well this is going to go over, as I seem to recall Cavaliers fans burning his jersey in the streets. I’ve seen fans get upset before, but that was something else. Maybe they’ve put that behind them, as well as the Championships he’s won with another team, but that’s hard to imagine.

    I wonder if Andrew Wiggins being drafted 1st overall had any pull on his decision. I saw the post on twitter about the guy who checked his website with some code checker and noticed in advance some pages that were made which were not published yet, which used colors codes which matches the Cavaliers. That news kind of leaked the pointing spot. Talk about crazy investigation.

    • Sandy

      It’s basketball.. who cares.

      • peetypuck

        Not me.

    • FistsofNeil25

      Cleveland fans are going to welcome him back with open arms. He left them four years ago to pursue championships and learn how to win. It was a growing process for him. He’s going back now as a better player and a better person.

      I’m a casual basketball fan but Lebron has been a favorite of mine since his career first started. I’m pumped that he’s going back home and wants to win a championship for his people.

      It’s a feel good story in the world of sports.

    • Sensnation

      It’s a great story for Cleveland, I think they will get over it. Also heard they found out Nike was buying up tons of add space in Cleveland, no other reason to do that other than James.

      • MethotToMyMadness

        The add space is a great clue for sure, any chance some of that space was for Wiggins though? You have to think he’s got some major Nike deals in the works. Or is he being a good Canadian kid and completing his College degree while staying in the NCAA before suiting up with the Cavs?

        • MethotToMyMadness

          I just searched and answered my own question, looks like he picked Adidas as his major endorsement partner.

  • Sandy

    http://www.canadianbusiness.com/lists-and-rankings/rich-100-the-full-2014-ranking/
    So according to this recent listing, Melynk is ranked 77th in Canada’s 100 Wealthiest People.
    So if he has that much $$, he had better okay the re-signing of Ryan & MacA

    • Deadly

      Ironic that you would post this news.

      • Sandy

        Isn’t it..

    • Kohlmanator

      I want to see the Sens spend money and build a winning team, but Melnyk didn’t make that list by spending more than he earns.

      • Sandy

        That’s the issue though. Most NHL owners have lots of income from outside sources and their teams are basically a play thing.

        • Senatollah

          Even if the team was a play thing, and it was when they had the chance for a cup, max cap team, but cant change the facts we are a small market, the largest employer in town has a policy to deny its workers from receiving tickets (good and bad)

      • peetypuck

        Don’t worry about Melnyk. I seriously doubt that he comes close to losing money on the Sens. My guess is that he is spending about 45% of the revenue that the Sens earn.

  • MethotToMyMadness

    Bodog released it’s odds for winning the Stanley cup in 14-15, sorry if this has already been posted at some point. Cup fav’s are the Hawks and right behind them, the Kings, surprise, surprise!

    When it comes to the Canadian Teams and the odds, Montreal is 20-1, Canucks 30-1 and Leafs at 33-1. Oilers, Senators and Jets are all at a 50-1 each, with the Flames holding last place at 75-1.

    I like the fact that Ottawa is no longer considered a fav of any sort going into the season, much like the Sens the first year of the re-tooling. No expectations means the door is open for success and much less criticism when things do go wrong. It’s a little refreshing, and I remember saying the same thing back then.

    • cups

      definitely worth throwing a $100 on our guys, anything can happen, right? I mean, I’m prolly gonna piss it away on beer n stuff anyway. if it happened = double rainbow!

  • sprucesens

    anyone have a link to this “random guy” that suggested kane would like to play in ottawa, or is it just a bunch of hooey? Yeah, ….i said hooey

    • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

      All I have found was some random dude posting some random vancouver radio said it. SOOOOO take it with a TINY grain of salt

    • Spoons

      it’s hooey.

  • AutoTurris

    Just saw this on twitter hahahahahahhaha

    • A-Train

      I would have made Condra into Giordi Laforge.

      • Quantum

        LOL , makes total sense

    • Spoons

      Now THAT’S randomness at it’s best :) Oh Dr. Crusher, you so pretty with your Ragnar beard

    • Hax

      Zibaneriker and Karldata are my favorites.

    • Hax

      Is that Turris as Worf?

      I’m assuming Anderson got in mostly since he’s a perfect fit for Picard?

      • Spoons

        Worf is Neil. Turris is Wesley Crusher (not pictured)

        • Hax

          Ah okay. So they wanted Neil as security officer I guess. If they really wanted it to be next gen then maybe have Cowen or Methot as Worf and Turris as Picard.

        • C.J.

          that’s definitely chiasson as worf in that pic, not neil

  • Sandy
  • Gavin Ray

    In a perfect world:
    Sign Lehner to $3.5 m / 3 years
    Sign Martin Brodeur for $2 m / 1 year
    Trade Greening for a pick
    Trade Condra for a pick
    Trade Chiasson, Phillips, Prince, 2nd round pick for Sharp and Hjalmarsson
    Trade Sharp, Anderson, picks (Greening & Condra) for Evander Kane

    Lineup:

    Kane – ZBad – Ryan
    MacA – KT – Stone
    Hoffman – Legwand – Milo
    Dizzy – Smith – Neil

    Hjalmarsson – EK (Swedish Connection)
    Methot – Ceci

    The Cow- Grybes

    Wiercioch
    BoroCop

    Prince Lehner
    Brodeur

    Then we win the cup, easy as pie!

    Make me assistant GM!

    • Sandy

      The key to all of that would be if Sharp would waive his NTC.

      • Gavin Ray

        In a perfect world…
        In reality those trade values are probably fairly meh but the playrs probably dont want to play for ottawa

    • Jakester

      Sharp is a better player than Evander Kane, don ‘t know that your world is all that perfect????

      • Gavin Ray

        Sharp is 33 in 2014, Kane is turning 23 in 2014. nuff said

        • Deadly

          Kane would be a distraction and a poor influence on a young team.

        • Jakester

          Sharp is still pretty productive and he ‘s a winner!

          • peetypuck

            I doubt that Sharp will waive his NTC so this argument is moot.

          • Gavin Ray

            Long term kane > sharp at this point

    • sens88

      Why would we ever sign Brodeur??? He should have retired 2 years ago. If Lehner got injured we would be left with a guy who is waaaay past his prime and an AHL goalie. Secondly, there is no way Chicago would want Phillips. He’s the 7th D on our team which means he would be like the 12th D on theirs. Plus we would be carrying 8 defencemen all year which makes no sense.

      Kane is not worth Sharp on his own, let alone with Andy/picks/Condra/Greening

      Oh and how and why would Dziurzynski make the roster over Lazar, Grant, Puemple, Guptil, etc. He was pretty much a non factor when he was called up.

      No cup for you sir.

      • Gavin Ray

        Well you see I forgot to mention that we trade lehner and the whole farm team for Sidney Crosby and then Brodeur plays all 82 games…

  • Sandy

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    Former #TBLightning and #SYRCrunch defenseman Brian Lee, injured all last year, has retired. Getting into banking on FL’s west coast.

    • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

      Aww this makes me sad

      • Deadly

        Career earnings..6.6 million.

    • peetypuck

      Unfortunately, he’s one of Muckler’s better draft picks.

    • HamadBo$$

      the worst sens’ first round pick in memory (Daigle was too long ago)

    • peetypuck

      I hope his financial skills are better than his hockey skills.

    • Harv

      Didn’t we take him instead of that #1 centre in LA?

      • Sandy

        Please don’t remind me. Could have been a decent D in Marc Staal as well.

        • FistsofNeil25

          A few other notable players: Rask, Oshie, Neal, Vlasic, Stastny, Letang, Quick, Yandle, Hjalmarsson.

          In Lee’s defense there were a ton of players taken in that draft that ended up being complete bust.

          • Sandy

            Good god, that’s getting even worse.
            Muckler only had 2 full time scouts, they probably didn’t see all of those young guys anyway to make a competent choice.
            I remember reading an article in the year they took O’Brien (Murray’s first draft with the team), Murray said he asked the scouts (who were still Muckler’s staff) about a specific player from the WHL and the scouts said they didn’t know as they didn’t see him play. That’s a western CHL team and they hadn’t seen this guy play? What does that tell you.

          • peetypuck

            Muckler should have been fired.
            Oh wait, he was.

          • Sandy

            He never should have been named GM..

          • peetypuck

            He probably had Melnyk mesmerized when he started flashing all of his Stanley Cup rings he got while he was with the Edmonton Oiler organization.

          • Sandy

            At that time, it was ancient history.

          • Don Ciccio

            Funny thing is, Lee was ranked in the lower 1st round to early second and was completely off the board. Muckler should have been fired the next day. I was sure that we were going to take Kopitar who dropped from his top 5 ranking.

  • peetypuck

    That photo of Derek Grant reminds me of Mr Bean.

  • Turbo_Prop

    Think Winnipeg has any interest in Zack Smith as part of a package for Kane? Based on the Chicago rumours Smith seems to have some value, but with Grant and Pageau available, I think the Sens can afford to give him up.

    I would be happy with Smith + Wiercioch + Prince + 2nd round pick for E. Kane.

    Hard to say if that’s enough- I think it depends how desperate Winnipeg is to move him, and whether the perceived attitude issues keep too many teams from being interested.

    • Sandy

      Why does everyone want to give up Zack Smith? He is a fav by the GM and the coach. What do they see that some of you don’t?

      • Spoons

        Smith has some trade value and we have a surplus of bottom 6 centres especially if Lazar is making the team. I like Smith too, he’s an awesome 4th line centre and a good 3rd centre replacement.

        • FistsofNeil25

          Agree with all this, but if Smith has value and can be used in a package to acquire a young scorer that has high end potential then he becomes expendable. Smith is a useful player and PM and BM love him, but he’s certainly not untouchable by any means.

          • Deadly

            Or a top 4 d.

    • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

      I’d say swap Prince for Stone and it might be close… But am not sure I want to move Smith (which feels VERY odd to say because he was my enemy number one before last year)

    • Gavin Ray

      I would probably do that trade but offer Phillips instead of Wiercioch. Of course Ottawa wont trade their beloved defenceman Chris.

      • HamadBo$$

        lol who would want phillips?

        • KJ

          Can’t be Alfie. Can’t be Spezza. It will be nice for Phillips to retire as a life long Sen!

          • HamadBo$$

            but we really overpaid for him, nobody would have given him half of what he is getting now

          • KJ

            There is some loyalty in the business, not much mind you, but some

    • Deadly

      Don’t see Ottawa being interested in Kane. Murray has talked recently about the importance of character in their players . I think he might be aware of the side show going on with him. Last year we had a bit of a situation with Prince and we all know how we felt about that .

      • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

        There is one main issue everyone has with Kane…. He took a bloody picture in Vegas.

        Who cares.

        I’ve got a friend who is a big jets fan and he says that he is regularly helping kids in the hospital, runs camps for kids.

        This attitude, bad apple is way blown out of proportion

        • Deadly

          This weeks interview was another indication of his character. There have been a number of instances but the timing of the Vegas photo was particularly insulting to the fans who pay his salary. To throw that attitude during the strike or lock out was particularly ill advised.
          All I am saying is that I don’t believe Murray would add Kane to the team.

      • Turbo_Prop

        The Prince thing seems a bit overblown to me- although I don’t remember exactly what happened. If I recall, it was more vague rumours of him being willing to be traded, rather than a public trade request.

        I imagine he just wants to get into the NHL and doesn’t see much opportunity in the Ottawa system.

      • Jakester

        Sharp would be a nice pickup.

    • Jakester

      Smith can be moved, we have other options for 4C. That deal would be plenty.

  • IcySurfas

    5.85 mill / yr for 6 years, for Brandon freakin Dubinsky ..

    And we think were going to keep Bobby Ryan past next season?

    • Zelle

      NHL contracts seem to be getting a little out of control. If they won’t pay for Bobby Ryan not sure who they think they can get as a first line winger for less at this point.

      • Sandy

        I like to know that answer myself. Would like to ask Melnyk that question if he won’t put the $$ up to sign Ryan.

        • peetypuck

          If he doesn’t want to pay up we’ll end up with no players and all prospects or draft picks.

          • Sandy

            Well he did talk about development. That’s where he is spending, or so he said last season.
            I guess he no longer wants to win the Cup.
            He just wants to be a development team for the rest of the NHL when these players need higher salaries, they will just be traded.
            If he won’t pay Ryan and Murray is forced to trade him, then there are going to be a lot of real unhappy hockey fans in Ottawa.

          • peetypuck

            Ticket sales and TV ratings will drop to half of what they are.

          • Sandy

            Sometimes you gotta spend money to make money. Especially owning sports teams.
            He wants playoff revenue, then put a competitive team on the ice.

          • peetypuck

            I hope he knows that and isn’t just trying to suck as much cash out of the team before selling it. It’s really difficult to have any trust in the guy.

          • Sandy

            Well, I think after Alfie & Spezza leaving, this guy has a lot to prove to his fanbase.

          • Deadly

            The Sandy road always circles back to the Euge.

          • Sandy

            That’s what it’s all about. He has to do a lot to prove me wrong about him.
            If he does that, then I’ll admit I was wrong. I’m not afraid to do that.

          • peetypuck

            There isn’t much that we as fans can do other than stop buying tickets. Maybe he wants to move the team to Markham or Hamilton where the profits would be Huge for the Euge.

          • KJ

            The one move or non-move that really hurt (I mean for the fans) was Alfie. Alfie wanted to get paid. The Sens didn’t want to pay an aging Vet 6 mil. Alfie left to play with Zetterberg. It’s just business. I don’t blame either side really. They wouldn’t pay what they thought he was worth. I think Spezza is 50/50. Half the fans like him, and the other half think he is lazy and stats focused. I am going to miss those highlight real goals. I won’t miss his -30 or whatever it was. Personally, I do a think the team will behave more like a team next season, and while you do need skill, you also need every player ‘skating’ in the same direction to be successful. It should benefit us in the long run, but it will be weird that no one from the pizza line is on the team. A new era has begun.

          • PraiseAlfie11

            Melynk has always said that he isn’t going to blow his wad on chasing over priced UFAs.

            He has never said he won’t keep talent just to have a lower payroll.

            Nobody know what spezza said, or more importantly what he was told. If he was told the young guys would be given time to develop, then, and only then would high priced talent be brought in, would that make people feel better?

            What is BM and team decided they couldn’t win with spezza?

            As it stands, there are two teams in serious cap trouble…Melynk always said being such a low payroll team was ideal to “help” other teams in that situation…lets see what happens.

          • Sandy

            Right now, it’s all we can do is wait.
            This is one freakin long offseason with about 10 weeks to go to training camp.

          • Jakester

            Just wait, we’ll scoop someone up from the Cap teams! No panic!

          • Sensnation

            Those are the contracts we don’t want on our team.

          • Jakester

            Sharp, I would take, if we sent a few million the other way!

          • KJ

            Which is unlikely if the goal is to get BM a Stanley cup before he retires on his two year extension. I bet they are aggressive with trades. I agree with spgottawa that they will spend but only on players they want and that want to be in Ottawa.

          • Sensnation

            You two play that if game so much. He’s spent when needed.

        • spgottawa

          Enough with the Melnyk bashing.
          The day that Alfie left they signed Clarke MacArthur as a UFA and traded for Bobby Ryan.
          They’ve already spent almost all of the savings in the Spezza deal by adding David Legwand.
          They resigned 9MM.
          They resigned Cowan last year and extended Phillips.
          They extended Kyle Turris and Erik Karlsson before that.
          Yes they are generally smart with their contracts but where is the evidence that they are not willing to spend to keep players that they want? It’s pure bullshit conjecture that they won’t extend Ryan and MacArthur – all signs point to it happening and I bet they both get done. Methot and Anderson may depend on other factors…

          • peetypuck

            Even though the Sens will receive $millions (at least $25 million) more from the two new TV contracts the team budget remains the same. Melnyk is pocketing those extra millions rather than increase the budget by even a couple of $million. That’s why they replaced a #1 centre like Spezza with an old 3rd line centre rather than get another 1st line player.

      • peetypuck

        Even the Florida Panthers and Arizona Coyotes have larger team salaries than our Sens this year.

        • spgottawa

          Sens will be ahead of Arizona once The Lehner is signed. FLA has retained salary (Bad contract- Versteeg) and buyout (bad contract -Kuba) in their total. Does that impress anyone?
          Sens have reason to be cautious with salary this year because the extensions for the 2015 UFA and RFA group are going to increase payroll. Nonetheless, I still think they will add salary in the mystery trade….

          • http://www.Merchaholic.ca Merchaholic

            When do we have to sign The Lehner anyways?

          • peetypuck

            Arizona has spent $5 million more than the Sens so far. Do you think that Lehner is going to get more than that?

          • peetypuck

            Florida has spent $4 million more than the Sens while those two bad contracts were only worth $3.6 million. Plus, they have only signed 5 d-men so far. That’s going to cost them at least another $4 million. They also intend on trading for some better players yet. Like I said, Florida and Arizona have larger team salaries than the Sens.

      • spgottawa

        More revenue = higher contracts. Half of all that extra TV revenue goes to players. The number of players hasn’t increased which means the average salary is going UP. Existing contracts stay as is so the money goes into the new signings until it works it’s way through the system. The cap is definitely going up the next couple of years. The teams and players both know this…

      • Sensnation

        It’s normal inflation. As revenues continue to soar, so will salaries. There’s no way around it.

    • Sensnation

      Dubinsky had a huge breakout the last two years in Columbus and has become an integral part of their team. He may not be a household name, but he brings a lot to their team. It’s a bit high, but not exceptionally. He’s a Callahan type through and through and Callahan got 5.8AAV.

  • peetypuck

    We have the players or prospects to make a trade plus the cap space. Now it’s Bryan Murray’s turn to sit back and wait while other GM’s come to him with offers to unload salary. There’s plenty of time until October to do more deals.

  • Gavin Ray

    Apparently Ottawa is going after Ryan O’reilly

    • Sandy

      He’s probably going to cost more than Bobby Ryan. Why would they.

    • FistsofNeil25

      According to Eklund? He also said we were going after Thornton.

    • Gavin Ray

      I made this comment with sarcasm in mind, I dont think that Ottawa can compete with other teams in the race to make this trade.

      • Jakester

        Why? Sens have so many Nhl ready pieces that they can give. Surplus on D and many young forwards!!! Tell me who can spare more without hurting their core.

        • Gavin Ray

          one word: money

          • Jakester

            The easy answer, when you have no comeback. Money.

          • Gavin Ray

            It isn’t a comeback… Ore illy is going to be wanting top dollar, we are already going above budget next year with so many players coming of of their elcs

  • Sandy

    Chirp, your daughter is gorgeous. What a cutie.

    • sprucesens

      I’m expecting to be bringing a new sens fan into the world today! Well, mostly my wife, but I helped!

      • bluebuyyoo

        All the best and congrats.

      • Dirtysweetness

        That’s awesome!! Try to take as many pics as you can. I wish I could’ve taken more when my son was born.

      • Sensnation

        Congrats man! Hope everything goes well today for you and your wife.

      • sprucesens

        Thanks everyone! At the hospital doing the long wait now! Only have onesies for a 6 month old though, but I might make something work, like one of my hats or jerseys, so she’s on the bandwagon early! Don’t want grandad corrupting her with the boston onesie he has waiting for her…

        • Jakester

          Congrats!

        • peetypuck

          Congrats and make sure you spoil her all you can.

      • Zelle

        Congrats to you and your wife. It’s the helping you do after she is born that is the most important anyway :)

  • Sensturion

    Visa needs a new commercial/ad. Spezza ain’t a Sen no mo’

  • PraiseAlfie11

    Could be worse…we could be the Houston Rockets. Man, those fans must be LIVID right now.

    • Sensnation

      Are they more upset than the Heat fans who are now stuck with Lebronless RuPaul for 5 more years

  • AutoTurris

    Woke up still depressed…

  • AutoTurris

    So, I said earlier that I think Hoffman should wing Zib and Stone because that has the potential to be our future 1st line. I’d like to revise that now and say that I think Lazar should slot in beside Zib and with Stone this year, that would be excellent and tons of potential there as well

    • Sensnation

      That would be my preference as well, it all depends if Stone or Lazar can go LW.

    • Pasky

      Saying Hoffman has 1st line potential is a stretch if you ask me. I can see Puemple there as he’s a proven sniper, as well as maybe Prince. Hoffman seems more like a 3rd line guy with scoring potential, more suited for an speed and energy scoring line in the bottom 6. Also where I see Pageau’s ceiling on that 3rd line as long as we keep Lazar on RW as discussed.

      • Jakester

        Puempel is nowhere near NHL ready, his skating isn’t there yet, he can’t carry Hoffman’s jock strap right now!

  • Not Eugene Melnyk

    For what it’s worth, Brian Lee hasn’t retired as reported yesterday. So there’s still a chance he develops into an allstar..

    • Sandy

      Yeah, the person that wrote that tweet said the bank stated Brian Lee had retired and joined them, but it was another Brian Lee.

  • Sandy

    http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=726121&navid=DL|NHL|home
    An interesting interview with Turris. Funny he said about the same thing that Cowen did, that all of the players will be playing the same way.

    • Deadly

      I guess if the fans got frustrated with blue line mini circles and misguided drop passes maybe teammates got frustrated. I remember a lot of Turris ,Ryan and Mac shifts that they owed the puck ,only to be followed by..well enough said.
      The team will definitely have a different look and pace this year and I am looking forward to it with optimism.

    • Sensnation

      “I think we’ve got a definite playoff team, and not just a playoff team, I feel we’ve got a group that can make a run in the playoffs,” Turris said. “I definitely feel we have a real good team.”

      That’s now Turris and Murray stressing how good this group is going to be. How can we not get excited even if we can’t expect them to say differently. 4 lines, 18 skaters, 2 goalies all working as 1!

      • Sandy

        I think a lot depends on Ryan re-signing. Would they keep him in the lineup until the trade deadline then try to trade him?
        What if they are in a playoff race, they wouldn’t want to lessen their lineup

        • cups

          I wonder if letting him play for a bit to ‘prove what he’s worth’ isn’t such a bad idea? maybe a Christmas signing with a big bow on it for us fans?

  • Guest

    Johnny Oduya on the trade black according to The Score. Would be nice if we could move some of the players caught in our log jams. A bottom 6 forward, one of our Dmen, etc. Don’t know what it would take to get him though.

    • Gavin Ray

      I would offer greening and wiercioch, and maybe a 5th

  • Gavin Ray

    MacA – Turris – Ryan
    Hoffman – Zbad – Stone
    Milo – Legs – Chiasson
    Neil – Smith – Condra

    Call ups can switch with Stone and Hoffman

    • spgottawa

      No way Hoffman is ahead of MM9 right now. Don’t think Stone is ahead of Chiasson either. Not sure it matters though – looks like we will have a 2a-2b line situation unless something changes in The Trade…

      • Zelle

        I honestly wouldn’t be surprised with a lot of switching around between Hoffman/9MM, Zbad/Legwand, and Stone/Chiasson at the start.

  • Pasky

    I like the look of this team in our future. We have most of the pieces needed to make for a competitive team as long as our prospects reach their full potential. After 2 more seasons Phillips, Neil & Legwand will be off this team and our young core players will have enough experience to lead this team. I know it’s hard to predict the future but I’ll give it a shot here based on pieces we already have.

    Puemple-Zibanejad-Ryan
    MacArthur-Turris-Stone
    Michalek-Lazar-Chiasson
    Greening-Smith-Condra

    Cowen-Karlsson
    Methot-Ceci
    Boro-Gryba

    Lehner

    Of course this is assuming that there is no additional trade. Ideally I think having a 2 dimensional player on the left side D is a piece we need, which Weircioch fits the description, but I’m assuming he gets traded, otherwise he might become a good fit with Karlsson. The other question mark is with the left side. Does Puemple become a sniper in the NHL like everywhere else he played? Also the future of Michalek, Greening, Hoffman & Prince are murky the way I look at it. But down the middle and the right side for both F and D we should be set with the pieces we currently have.

    • Sensnation

      When did Wiercioch become 2 dimensional?

      I think in 2 years you’ll see Lazar higher in the lineup than Zibanejad.

      • Magnus Nor

        I think Zibanjead will be higher

        • Pugnacious Serf

          Agreed… Z is a big man, bigger then Lazar, reminds me a lot of Sundin, has finesse but has an edge too. People putting way to high of expectations on Lazar too soon.

          • Andrews theory

            That’s because the team is saying he’s the highest character player they’ve drafted in 7 years…not that you can judge based on numbers in Sweden but Lazar has also put up more prolific numbers as a teenager so far..

            We’ll see.

            Zib reminds me a bit of Hossa, Lazar more so of Toews without the high end skill clearly neither is expected to reach their comparable status but that’s who they remind me of

          • Pasky

            I think of Lazar more as Dustin Brown then Towes. Towes is a generational talent like Stamkos, Crosby, Ovechkin, Malkin and what not. Lazar has the tools to be an excellent leader and a major piece of a championship team, but I don’t see him as THE piece of a championship team. He’ll be an important part of the Sens makeup but this team has Karlsson and for now anyways Ryan as it’s main stars.

          • JAY79

            I doubt Lazar can reach Toews’ status but I don’t see why Zibenajad can’t attain Hossa’s status.

        • Jakester

          Zibby’s upside is greater I believe also.

    • SensFanInMTL

      Puempel on your first line, eh? I have zero problem with that. But on this site, you will get absolutely eaten alive for that. I also sense that Prince will be upset yet again if he doesn’t crack the roster. Not the attitude to have but what are you gonna do. I see you have Greening & Condra still around. I guess Prince can get spot after all.

    • jtf927

      good depth. imho, the mac-turris-ryan line should be our #1. 9mm-legwand/zbad-chiasson should #2. hoffman-zbad/lazar-stone should be #3. finally, #4 should be any combination of remaining wingers with smith as the 4C. defensive pairings and goal are bang on. our depth at centre is just awesome now.

      • peetypuck

        I think the #2 and #3 lines will be close to equal next year.

        • Zelle

          Completely agree with this.

          • peetypuck

            Unless Melnyk allows the budget to increase a bit to get a 2nd line left winger but I guess he will pocket all those $millions from the new TV contracts.

        • sens_bud

          Agree with this, we will probably see a bit of juggling with those middle 6 to find chemistry but i like the way its setting up.

          • jtf927

            yeah. we actually have really good depth going into next season. all 4 lines will be fast and hard on the puck. i hope pmac does not juggle the lines around too much and allows players to develop chemistry with line-mates.

          • Zelle

            I doubt it will be as much of an issue now since he doesn’t have to focus on finding a match for Spezza; that seemed to be the reason last season. Unless of course he juggles the middle six to see who fits best with Zbad and Legwand.

          • jtf927

            true. there is probably less pressure to find line-mates for spezza.

          • Zelle

            Yeah I honestly think PMac should just let Ruff take care of that from this season on.

          • sprucesens

            Best part is we finally have a young top 9 that you can line up any way you want and it looks good

    • cups

      love those d pairings, but if weir goes :( then I don’t see boro in front of phillips, would actually prefer phillips to boro

  • Guest

    Legwand is taking #17. Chiasson took #90. Hmmm.

    • Sandy

      I don’t know what to think about Legwand and # 17 other than the team told him #11 is not available or he thought he would take another # himself.
      Don’t know where #90 comes in.

      • MisterUtterbag

        Alfie will not be back

        • Sandy

          I know that.

      • bluebuyyoo

        Well, Spezza took #90 in Dallas. It’s got to mean something, but I am too tired to figure it out. G’nite!

    • MisterUtterbag

      Hmmm what?

    • Spoons

      I know, right!?!It’s awfully suspicious! Signs of things to come?

  • Zelle

    What I hope to see next season:
    M – T – R
    9MM – Zbad – Stone
    Hoffy – Legs – Chiasson
    Smith – Lazar – Condra
    Neil

    Cowen – Karlsson
    Methot – Gryba
    Wiercioch – Ceci
    Phillips

    Lehner
    ? (vet backup like Vokoun)

    I like JGP but if Lazar breaks the ranks I don’t see a place for him unless they trade for Condra, but I’m thinking they are pushing more for a Greening trade and I doubt we’ll see both gone, but you never know. I don’t like Cowen but I love Methot and Gryba together and I don’t feel Wiercioch is ready to be top pairing with Karlsson. I think Lehner should just get the starter position and have a solid backup for him.

    • cups

      swap gryba and ceci, and stone and chiasson and I’m with you

      • Zelle

        That works too. Honestly the six players in the middle seem pretty interchangeable to start with.

        • cups

          totally, as far as forwards go.. just don’t see gryba playing in front of ceci. but more so that meth and ceci make a balance of def-off pairing and putting weir with gryba seems to do the same

    • Spoons

      The sad shitty truth is, Greening and Neil will probably end up with more ice time than Stone and Hoffman. Lazar will probably play more games in the AHL than the NHL.

      • Zelle

        Lazar can’t be in the AHL yet, he needs another year in the CHL. It’s some weird rule between AHL and CHL.

        • Harv

          No, it is the age rule in the AHL. He is too young. He can play in the NHL but not the AHL.

          • Zelle

            It’s an age rule with CHL players, but only the CHL. If he was from Europe he would be able to play in the AHL right now. I was only wrong on the point that the AHL made the rule, it was actually imposed on the NHL by the CHL.

            “Players drafted and playing for CHL teams are ineligible to play in the professional minor leagues (AHL, ECHL) until they are 20 years old (by December 31st of that year) or have completed four years in major juniors.”

            “The NHL/CHL agreement states that a player with junior eligibility
            signed by an NHL team must be returned to his junior team if he’s not playing in the NHL. It’s part of a deal that provides CHL money for players produced (sort of like the IIHF agreement between the NHL and European countries). The NHL agrees to send the teenagers back because CHL needs these players – its top players — to make money. If the CHL didn’t make money, they couldn’t produce players. You scratch my back, I scratch yours.”

            “Players who are not drafted from the CHL, like NCAA and European players, aren’t held to these rules. Players who were drafted out of Europe and then play in the CHL later, can play in the minors under the age of 20.”

    • zippy

      What did you get when you traded Anderson?

      • Zelle

        Veteran backup and a pick or prospect or something. Nothing that would help us immediately in terms of forwards and defense for sure. Goal tenders aren’t going for much.

        • zippy

          You don’t think keeping him till the trade deadline? Getting more for him then?

          • Zelle

            Well if we take the playoff teams from last season as just an idea of what next year might look like, I only don’t really see any teams that would have Anderson as an upgrade, so not sure how waiting would benefit.

    • Pasky

      Yea my questions are what did Greening & Boro get traded for? Also I hope we don’t keep Lazar just to play him on the 4th line, I’d rather have him dominate the CHL both offensively and defensively next year than play him 8 minutes a night on a shutdown line.

      I like how you sat Neil and Phillips but realistically they’re gonna be playing most if not all nights. I think/hope next year they tell them that they’re going to have to sit some nights for the young guys to take place, and then retire together gracefully unless they want to pursue a career outside of a Sens uniform.

      • Zelle

        I am indeed troubled by Boro’s one way this season. I prefer Wiercioch over him, but I also don’t like Cowen. So, knowing that I’ll probably get internet yelled at for this, I would do:

        Methot – Karlsson
        Wiercioch – Gryba
        Phillips – Ceci
        Borocop

        Trade Cowen and Greening for a third or fourth line LW guy around Turris or Zbad age, keep Lazar in the CHL and do:

        Hoffy / – Legwand – Chiasson
        Hoffy / – Smith – Condra

        • JAY79

          You’re giving up on Cowen ( a 9th overall pick) pretty early considering he had a bad season coming off of hip surgery. People forget how old Chara was before he started to dominate. I’d be willing to give Cowen a little more time before deeming him a bust!!! I think people here are always being waay too hard on him considering he’s only 23 years old, coming off of hip surgery and he’s only really had one bad full season.

          • Zelle

            I have said multiple times it’s not his performance as much as his decision making under pressure that for me makes him a liability. I saw it two seasons ago, and last season, and I would be surprised if I don’t see it this coming season.

          • BigTrev42

            I find all sens fans are hard on every player that plays for us. doesnt matter what skill level they are. we could have crosby and some sens fans would find a way to critcize him

          • Zelle

            Yay for generalizing. Seriously though are fans not allowed to dislike certain players based on their performance on the ice? I have my opinion of Cowen, maybe I’ll be wrong, I hope so, but I see what I see.

          • laughing

            I don’t think he was saying you’re not allowed to criticize, but rather we just tend to be overly critical when it’s not always necessarily warranted. It’s not a behaviour exclusive to Sens fans either though.

          • Zelle

            Definitely not exclusive to any one fanbase. I just have my opinion about certain players and I honestly would love to be wrong about Cowen. I hope he trains hard and has the season of his career in 2014-15. I just doubt it will happen. Also people assume I am only talking about last season and it was an off year but honestly I haven’t been too impressed overall. Then the defense comes about D having longer to adjust but I don’t see Ceci and even Wiercioch having those ‘mental lapses’. It’s like pressure comes, and he just freezes. That kind of thing is harder to train than skating or puck handling because it’s all in his head and controlling emotion.

          • JAY79

            I still think Defense takes longer to learn and his decision making will probably improve with age. I just think we are a little hard on him considering he’s so young. He was a 9th overall pick and must at least have tons of potential to be taken so high. Whether he reaches his potential or is a bust still remains to be seen. I just think the whole team stunk last season and the drama surrounding the team didn’t help. Let’s see what a summer of training brings and if he shows no improvement next season, then I’m all for getting rid of him if someone’s willing to take him lol.

    • runningbear1974

      M – T – R
      9MM – Zbad – Stone

      Hoffy – Legs – Lazar
      Smith – Pageau- Chiasson

      • spgottawa

        C’mon. The centrepiece of the Spezza trade was brought in to play on the 4th line?

    • Ek4Norris2015

      Switch Stone and Ryan, 1st line with second line and send down lazar put smith on center and bring up pageau to replace smith’s wing and then switch ceci with Gryba and you got a team:
      Michalek-Zibanejad-Ryan
      Macarthur-Turris-Stone
      Hoffman-Legwand-Chiasson
      Pageau-Smith-Condra
      Neil

      Cowen-Karlsson
      Methot-Ceci
      Weircioch-Gryba
      (This is assuming Cowen will rebound)
      Philips

      Lehner
      Marty/Backstrom/Vokoun/Dipietro xD

      • Zelle

        Why would you put Zbad ahead of Turris and 9MM ahead of Mac? We currently have a first line that has shown they can match up against other first lines and not be completely blown away.

        • Ek4Norris2015

          Good point! So switch em up and u got a team!

  • Gavin Ray

    Is it true that the bolts are looking to trade Filppula?

    • Spoons

      Bolts need to move some salary. They’ve got a bunch of NTC and it’s a big hurdle. They’ll most likely move a D-man

      • Ek4Norris2015

        Mat Carle? Does he have a NTC? Would be really nice to snag him up but that would get us over the internal Eugenien budget wouldn’t it? Im hating Uncle Eugene more and more.

  • Nikola Todorić

    just shit kicked the leafs 11-1 in nhl 14… alfie and spezza with 11 combined pts… :(

    • Ek4Norris2015

      Forgot to do a roster update?…..

      • Nikola Todorić

        nope… i cant let go

  • LeafsSux

    Off topic but I was wondering if anyone is going to the Toronto Indy car race this coming weekend? Ill be there and could meet up for a few beers.

  • WaitingSince92

    Every day I hope this magical mystery deal will come to fruition. At least I get to see that cute duck face when I check this site!

  • spgottawa

    Every time I look over the salary cap charts I come up with the same conclusion – PHI and Boston may be the best trading partners. Over the cap and still need some depth. Of course we are well under the cap and have lots of bottom pairing and bottom 6 depth (+ prospects…)
    TB may want to move out a D to get below the cap but is unlikely to be willing to take 2D back.

  • http://www.Merchaholic.ca Merchaholic

    Finally, the big mystery trade has shown up! Ottawa trades Greening & Phillips for…

    • HamadBo$$

      source? -.-

      • http://www.Merchaholic.ca Merchaholic

        ..

        • HamadBo$$

          hahahahah the picture didn’t appear when I commented that

      • http://www.Merchaholic.ca Merchaholic

        And since his cap hit is only $4,420,420 we save $729,580 in salary! Melnyks favourite!!

    • Not Eugene Melnyk

      Hahahaha

  • Dirtysweetness

    Would you trade Lazar in a package to get Ryan O’Reilly?

    • Spoons

      Tough one. ROR appears to be a 1st line winger unless he turns out to be a flash -in-the-pan. Lazar’s potential is more of a 2nd line center or winger (3rd line at worst), but with lots of character. A possible exceptional leader.

      We kind of need both now, don’t we!

      • Deadly

        The future is not now,keep Lazar as he should be a good part of our future.

    • AutoTurris

      Probably not, and actually the main reason is salary. Right now we can develop Lazar til the vets are gone and then shell out cash. ROR is $$$$$. Their skill may end up being the same, or one a little better than the other so BM knows this and unfortunately we will not get ROR :””””””””””””””’(

    • MethotToMyMadness

      Yeah, it’s a hard decision but I’d say no. I have two reasons. 1, the money right now, Lazar would be an entry level. 2, because ROR gives me the “I’m only here now for the Money” type of vibe and Lazar is still trying to prove his NHL worth. Even if we picked up ROR, I don’t believe he’d stay beyond whatever contract he is given.

    • Spoons

      Besides, they’re loaded with forward talent for years to come but their D is a huge weakness. They’d probably go for 2 of our D-men. Either Cowen, Weir or Ceci. Possibly even Claesson.

    • sens_bud

      Don’t think so, to me someone like O’Reilly would be a piece to push us over the edge to contend. W have a lot of work to do with our own prospects and lineup. to get to where we can push to contend. Only then we can look at a player to bring in, with grade A prospects going out the door. We need to keep our top prospects, develop and build the team with them. Specially with Lazar, who seems to be the exact type of player this team wants to send out the door every shift.

    • Sensnation

      Not worth it. Lazar is too young and with too high of a ceiling to be taking that gamble. Especially with the salary difference, the extra pieces the Sens would have to include, and the current age and status of our roster.

      • SENSible Voice

        So the guy produced at a Bobby Ryan pace last year and is only 23 yrs old yet he’s the gamble but not the 18 yr old kid who has yet to play a single game at the professional level?

        Remember when we replenished the prospect cupboards and everyone was saying we had the deepest pool of all teams and that we had a bright future? Well 2 years later, who in that pool is looking like the future of our franchise? None. We always think highly of our draft picks but most never pan out. I’m cautious about Lazar and would not hesitate to trade him a young established player like ROR.

    • Sandy

      No. O’Reilly is going to get close to 7M. That means Ryan is gone, if that is the case.

      • Dirtysweetness

        You really think an arbitrator is going to award 7 million to ROR?

  • Pope versus Pope
  • Deadly

    Saw that Da Costa signed a 1 year contract in the KHL.Anyone think that he might still play in the NHL?

    • Spoons

      He has an out-clause. It’s possible, but once he’s back, his ass belongs to the Sens.

      • spgottawa

        I’m sure I read somewhere that next year he would be some kind of Group VI? UFA. Can’t find the link. Can anyone confirm?

        • Deadly

          That doesn’t sound right that a year in a different league could change his status. Especially the KHL.

        • Sandy

          I read that as well. If he comes back this season he belongs to the Sens, after that he’s a Group 6 UFA. Probably has to be related to him being from the NCAA. Not sure..

      • Deadly

        I know that, but do you think he will be back to the NHL ? Hope so, so at least we get something for him.

        • Ek4Norris2015

          Next year there is no way Da Costa finds a spot on this team (Turris, Zibanejad, Legwand, Lazar, Smith, Grant,) all fighting for spots and all getting better (Legwand might be regressing) so no way he will resign here. If he wants to play next year on a NHL club he will test free agency and ask for a 1 way deal. He will get what he wants.

    • Tooks

      Nah dont think so, nobody wanted him now, he aint gonna get better with age.

  • 010101111010101011110001100111
  • Gavin Ray

    I like how none of the comments have anything to do with Derek Grant’s signing.

    • Spoons

      Who’s Derek Grant? This is a Sens fan site. Talk about Sens related things, not this Derek Grant stuff… If you don’t know what to talk about, you can always start a topic about how Lyndon Slewidge is awesome.

      • Deadly

        Just ask him.

      • Deadly

        Derek will be the new captain in Binghamton.

        • Spoons

          “Captain Bingo” It has a nice ring to it.

    • Zelle

      Guy got signed, probably won’t make the NHL this year (with the Senators anyway). Not much to say lol

  • Gavin Ray

    Trade:
    Chicago ~ Hjalmarsson
    Ottawa ~ Wiercioch, Prince, 3rd

    • BigTrev42

      sharp and leddy for greening condra and 3rd

      • Gavin Ray

        Hawks would probably want more value and a defenseman in this trade

      • Ek4Norris2015

        Might as well do Condra, Neil for Toews and Kane. Equal value ain’t I right? Nvm Melnyk is the owner.

  • Gavin Ray

    Trade:
    Buffalo ~ 4th
    Ottawa ~ Greening

    • Ek4Norris2015

      Tim Murray ain’t stupid
      Buffalo-5th
      Ottawa-Greening 700k retained

  • The-Sens-Ghost

    The one player I wouldn’t trade is Prince. This is one player I believe is going to be really good in the future.

    • zippy

      Pretty sure Prince is the one player who asked to be traded. Probably thinks he wants a better chance at the NHL. He may be right

    • Ek4Norris2015

      I see Shane Prince becoming a 20-25 goal scorer and great when playing 5v5 hockey. At most a 60 point 5v5 specialist and being a plus player. Kinda becoming what Nick Foligno was suppose to bring. All that will not happen on this team though. Next trade made by this club will have S.Prince included in it.

    • Not Eugene Melnyk

      Really?? The one player you wouldn’t trade?? I’m assuming you mean prospect as I’d much rather have Karlsson over Prince. But really, Prince over Lazar, Ceci. Stone, Puemple?

      Edit: You’re.. You’re Shane Prince right?

    • runningbear1974

      Prince seems to have Chris Kelly potential… Completely dependable 3rd line guy…

      • Pasky

        Yea I see him as a teams 7th forward, awesome 3rd liner that can play a Top 6 role to cover someone missing from injury. I would put Puemple over Prince in term of untouchable, although any prospect that isn’t named McDavid is a mystery at the end of the day. If Puemple is the main piece that can get us a talent like Kane (maybe a player without the baggage but the skill set) then he’s still expendable.

  • Cicero

    Chirp:
    If “Senators Sign Derek Grant” gets 1000 comments, it’s a slow summer.

    • SensChirp

      Ha. Took a few days off over the weekend. Trying to put something new together this morning but honestly…not a whole lot going on right now.

      • my2sens

        Tried tested and true Chirp. Make a table, but add colour! That will render us speechless for a while.

  • Ek4Norris2015

    I dreamt last nice that ottawa aquired Hjalmarsson, Seabrook and Sharp for Lehner, Prince and a second. Would u guys do it? In my dream i was pissed the Lehner was gone. Lol that trade would neveerrrrrr happen under Eugenien Melnyk the stupid clown. Im also sure the Hawks would never do that.

    • Pasky

      Yea I would say Seabrook is pretty untouchable, especially after giving up Hjalmarsson. As this was a dream though I do that trade 11 out of 10 times. Hell I would probably do it without Seabrook in it.

      • Ek4Norris2015

        Im on your boat!

  • runningbear1974

    So, just for fun… If you were to make a cup contending team, who’s the 1 player you would absolutely want on that team?

    • runningbear1974

      Answer #1)

      Spezza… Everybody knows you need a point a game guy to win the cup…

    • runningbear1974

      Answer #2)

      Lidstrom… I think while i’ve been watching hockey, he’s been the most consistently good player…

      • Max Power

        Wayne Gretzky?

        • runningbear1974

          Yeah, i’ve been listening to Wayne, and i don’t think he worked well with coaches, nor did he work particularly hard on defence…

    • Pasky

      Are we talking all time or active players only? This would be my all time playoff team with actual LW-C-RW-LD-RD-G

      Bobby Hull – Joe Sakic – Gordie Howe
      Niklas Lidstrom – Al MacInnis
      Patrick Roy

      • runningbear1974

        I was thinking if allowed to add 1 player from all time… Only 1 player…

        • WaitingSince92

          I’d love to see Karlsson springing Bure in his prime. Almost too much entertainment…

        • Pasky

          Roy then, only player to have 3 Conn Smythe trophies, nuff said.

      • WaitingSince92

        Put in Pronger instead of MacInnis (nothing against Al)! Don’t know if theres ever bee a player as tough to play against as Pronger.

        • Pasky

          Pronger is a LHD so I was trying to get a RHD, Believe me for the left side I was debating between Lidstrom, Bourque, Stevens, Pronger, Orr, Coffey, Niedermayer just to name a few. Most of the greats were LHD.

          • WaitingSince92

            It’s tough not to put Orr on any “best of all time” team. One thing Don Cherry is right about. He could do it all.

  • runningbear1974

    Some people say the fans drive some players out of town… I don’t see that… I think the problem is the other way around… Fans support and fall in love with players that hurt your team… Ottawa has shown a little too much loyalty to players… For example, Mike Fisher… The fans loved him… But, he makes bad decisions with the puck, has very limited hockey vision… I’m also obviously disappointed we didn’t trade Spezza earlier…

    It feels sometimes we have to wait for a player to die before he gets off the team…

  • WaitingSince92

    No news is still bad news with Ryan. Murray (Dorion and Lee) is (are) smart hockey mind(s), and you can bet they know it’s best to lock someone like that up ASAP. The fact that we haven’t means, at least, they’re not immediately on the same page. Whether it’s money, term, or worse, icing a competitive roster that Bobby wants, we clearly aren’t giving it to him up front. My (completely legitimate) worry is that it’s the latter.

    • spezzerman

      or the lure of Unrestricted Free Agency…

    • Pasky

      I wouldn’t panic until training camp. I mean asides from Towes, Kane & Dubinsky there hasn’t really been any big extensions announced, and Towes and Kane we’re worked on early as Chicago didn’t really need to do anything July 1st. I still think the team wants to explore a trade before talking about extensions with players, and if the rumored trade was for a marquee player then that might give Ryan more extensive to stick around.

      Either way if Ryan isn’t signed come training camp in September then that’s going to be a distraction for the team all season long until he’s either signed or traded, so I’m really hoping it gets done before then.

      • WaitingSince92

        Again, I’m not panicking – it’s just a bad sign. I know nothing is in stone yet, but if talks were going well, you’d hear about it.

        Everything I know about our team in it’s current incarnation makes me wonder how the gap will be bridged. Forgetting about term, I would guess the Sens start at $6m and would go to $6.5, whereas Ryan could probably get $8m on the open market. Yes, it’s too early to panic, but still, I think most people assume he’ll be back because of how highly he spoke of the organization and because of how much we gave up for him.

  • WaitingSince92

    I had a dream last night where fellow Chirpers stopped posting their retarded trade scenarios from their dreams. It was pretty cool. Would you do it?

  • Dirk-Diggler

    So what happens if we lose Ryan to UFA and don’t trade him?

    How far back does that set the rebuild?

    • my2sens

      Nothing. We are ever continuously rebuilding.

    • runningbear1974

      In my opinion, our rebuild stops when Cowen becomes a dependable player… At that point we’re building… Until then, we’re not a cup contender… We actually need all our defence to become dependable, but i think Cowen will be the slowest to develop…

      • WaitingSince92

        That may be the first thing you’ve ever posted that I ‘strongly agree’ with.
        :D

  • Kielbasa

    Unfortunately, this team doesn’t appear to have much to offer as an incentive for Bobby Ryan to stick around. If he had any intention to, why hasn’t a deal been signed yet?

    • Jakester

      Well, if he has no intention of staying than trade him now to Philly or whoever will cough up big pieces. That could really set us up! No problem there, sometimes the return sets you up much better for the future than the player in hand!

      • spezzerman

        its kind of a lose lose actually. if he truly wants to hit UFA market, we wont get much for him since he will be a rental. teams wont pay up unless they are certain they can sign him longer term.

        If he is willing to sign somewhere else before he hits UFA market, it will mean he didnt want to play in Ottawa, specifically. And, we dont need that right now.

        • Jakester

          if he gives you a definite NO – you have to cut your losses and move him now – some team might think they will be able to entice him long term -Boston -Philly?? they will pay.

          • spezzerman

            agree you have to trade him, no question.

        • Pasky

          I think Philly would give up decent pieces. Especially since they would need to shed some salary anyways to make it happen, and since Ryan hasn’t really made it a secret that he would want to go to Philly it’s less of a rental for them I would think.

          I wouldn’t make the deal unless Simmonds was involved. We don’t need quantity if we we’re to trade him so a 1 for 1 would be what the team would look for, and Simmonds is basically a Ryan lite. Maybe we can get a draft pick as well, and Philly would still be under the cap, barely, once Pronger gets moved to LTIR.

          • zippy

            PHI needs to be under the cap before LTIR.

            BR is at 5.1.
            Simmonds is at 3.975.

            And PHI is 3.061 over the cap.

            So they are (3.061 – 3.975 + 5.1) = 4.186 over the cap still.

            They need to move more. I’m thinking Umberger or Braydon Coburn. I haven’t seen anyone here liking Umberger.

          • Pasky

            You can be 10% over the cap until the start of the season, and the LTIR would take effect before that happens. 10% over would be 6.9M so there OK. Of course though the team would only be 800k under the cap with 12 forwards so I think more pieces would have to be involved for a deal to work out.

          • Jakester

            I like Hamburgers not an Umberger!

          • MethotToMyMadness

            I like Umberger, has always been a solid player, but missed some games the last few seasons. It’s nothing crazy, he’s still managed to play 70+ but it just seems he’s been hurt more often. He’s getting older at 32, has seen a decrease in production. I thought it was an odd trade to pick him up. Maybe the expectation is to dump him, hard to say.

      • Kielbasa

        Agreed. Time to move him now if he intends to leave. If he hasn’t given the team a definite answer on what his desires are for the future, it is time for him to be honest and direct. This organization doesn’t need to keep players around that have no desire to be here.

      • MethotToMyMadness

        Ryan will be a great player in Ottawa when he re-signs, and I hope he does. But if for any reason Management gets indications he doesn’t want to stay (similar to Spezza), then a trade would be a priority. But don’t leak that shit to the media and ruin your trading chances, that’s a key component, do it under the hood. So if that’s the avenue, then so be it, trade while he has time/value left to a team who is interested.

        Philly does come up a lot, as he’s mentioned in the past it’s a location he’d like to be. Considering the cap space issues (negative 3 Mil) we all know they need to make some changes before the season starts. If Ryan was moved, Ottawa no doubt wants what they paid for him, Player, prospect and 1st rounder. Ryan comes with a 5.5 hit.

        Not that it will ever happen, but if it did, I’d like to see Simmonds (3.975) as key part of the return, maybe a prospect like Straka. But we’d still have to take someone else in order for them to make up the other 4 Mil they still need to clear. Not sure who else. Or Ottawa could even look at taking an additional contract off the books for them, and in return get more draft picks, or something. Whatever Philly does, even if Ottawa isn’t involved, they will need to be creative.

        • Pasky

          They would try to dump Lecavalier on us as well I’m thinking. Either way the issue with them dumping a contract on us is we’re trying to free room for players too. Unless we add a cheap contract like Hoffman or Condra, and in return they send us someone else.

    • Zelle

      And if he really wanted out or more money couldn’t he have filed for arbitration? I think he wants to stay and play with Mac and Turris on the first line. He can be a big fish in a medium sized pond here.

      • zippy

        Bobby from his Sun interview:

        “I said it in Anaheim, when you get drafted by an organization or
        traded to an organization, you want to reward that organization,” he
        stated. “You want to be part of like that for the long term. You want to
        take that team to new heights, and you want to be part of something
        special.

        “That’s how we felt when we were traded here and coming here, the
        organization is first class, they treat you like family. I think
        everybody in the room and the coaching room genuinely cares about each
        individual, and that says a lot about the people they’ve put in place
        here.

        “That’s something you want to be around.”

        That, and a hockey market.

        “It’s nice to be held accountable,” said Ryan. “It’s nice to be
        approached in the streets and have people talk about you, and bounce
        their ideas for the team off you, even though some of them are a little
        out there.

        “It’s really fun. It makes you really think about the season and
        what’s at stake. That’s a change from what I’ve had, so I’ve enjoyed
        it.”

        “========================”
        He wants to stay here. Just be patient.

        I’m sure with Bryan getting treatment things are going to take more time.

        • Zelle

          “…even though some of them are a little out there.” I can only imagine. lol

      • MethotToMyMadness

        Well said!

    • s3nsfan

      So you know there is no agreement in place. How does he sign an extension when he is in Idaho, an actual signature is required.

  • sens88

    Isn’t Ryan spending his summer in Idaho? If so, would the extension not wait until he returns for training camp? I’m sure his agent and BM are talking, but it’s entirely possible that both sides are okay with waiting a couple of months. Not sure why people are reading so much into the lack of extension at this point.

    • MethotToMyMadness

      Well this is Ottawa and like all the other small Canadian markets we need something to talk about. We as a fan base, get our man panties in a bunch over the smallest of things. No news means we are in trouble, didn’t you get that memo? lol

  • Zelle

    Hey Chirp have you heard anything relating to signing Lehner?

  • s3nsfan

    Monday morning and the sky is perpetually falling in Ottawa, surprise surprise.

    • spezzerman

      websites need hits, damnit!

  • my2sens

    So people are complaining that Bobby Ryan wouldn’t want to stay in Ottawa, we are a small town market, it’s boring here, blah blah blah…

    He’s spending his summer in Idaho. I-da-ho!

    He will be back.

    • Zelle

      But it’s so cold here! And taxes, don’t forget taxes! They are super important when you’re a multimillionaire.

      • runningbear1974

        Money… Money…. Money…. It’s all about the money… Well… As i myself have realized in the last couple of years… Money doesn’t buy loyalty…
        I really hope Bobby chooses us, and if he does, it’s because of Turris…