Senators Looking to Sign Hemsky

SensChirp March 26, 2014 365
Senators Looking to Sign Hemsky

On TSN’s Insider Trading segment last night, Pierre LeBrun shared some good news for Senators fans hoping to see the team retain trade deadline acquisition Ales Hemsky.

According to LeBrun, Bryan Murray and the Sens brass have seen enough over the last few weeks to know they would like to keep Hemsky in the fold beyond this season. Part of the reason Ottawa targeted Hemsky over guys like Moulson and Vanek had to do with their chance at retaining him. Hemsky is familiar with the area and for the most part, seems to have enjoyed his time here in Ottawa.

Now that certainly doesn’t mean he’s a slam dunk to sign. Hemsky is coming off a contract that saw him earn $10 million over two seasons. I suspect he would be looking for a similar cap hit with a little longer term this time around.  Hemsky has 8 points in his 10 games in an Ottawa uniform.

You can catch the Insider Trading segment here.

 

  • Dirk-Diggler

    Ryan shut down for the rest of the season… Have we seen his final game in a Sens uniform?

    • Andrews theory

      If so, hopefully that means they are moving him out for a legit top end defender.

      What defenders would you trade straight up for Ryan or as part of a package?

      Said it yesterday but I’d love to try and snag Hedman giving us a lethal top two.

      • NO65*

        Looking at Ryan the first half of the season compared to the second, it’s pretty obvious this guy was playing hurt. Just the way he was sniping and deeking was a beauty for the eye. I would try to resign him and Hemsky for sure.
        Our team could do a turn-around just like Colorado did this season. We have to many talented players on this team to fail again.

        • Andrews theory

          biggest difference with Colorado has been they got the goaltending we got last year…
          that and they have 3 phenoms playing in their top 6
          Duchene
          Mackinnon
          Landeskog
          I’ll take that over Hall, RNH and Yakupov any day all day.

          • MB

            O’Reilly leads that team in goals, don’t forget that.

          • Andrews theory

            geez, just realized he’s only 23…
            thats a sick crop of young forwards

        • sbs138

          he was playing with a broken heart…kept off the Olympic team. look at his number before and after New Years announcement of Team USA.

        • MB

          Funny you say Colorado because I would be willing to bet Ottawa pushes hard for O’Reilly. If Sens Chirp does ask around with people he knows he will know this is a very accurate statement.

          • Andrews theory

            he definitely meets the criteria of skilled hard nosed top 6…

            D remains number one priority though. looking back Jay Bowmeester would have helped this team significantly…

          • MB

            Hard nosed might be an overstatement but he’s exactly the type of player Ottawa needs and wants. He’s also a LH center which Ottawa desperately lacks in their top 9 guys, even with Lazar coming in that’s another RH forward.

            O’Reilly and the Avs are going to have a hard time coming to a deal because he isn’t signing a short term deal.

          • MB

            LH center IMO is the #1 priority and I don’t think anything approaches that. Maybe some size and grit on the wing but a compete, 2 way LH center is absolutely the Sens biggest need.

          • Doc

            To play 3rd or 4th line duties??

            You’re assuming heavily that Spezza will be traded.

          • MB

            Below I said I could also see Zibanejad being traded as part of a package for O’Reilly which would also make sense.

            Don’t get me wrong I think Spezza is shopped, shopped hard, and probably traded but I won’t over look the fact he seems to be playing with a little more motivation in his game and Murray’s loyalty to the guy.

            Even if Spezza returns the biggest need is a top 6 LH center. O’Reilly is on no teams 3rd or 4th line so get that thought out of your head.

          • Doc

            Well you’re not making sense then. You say that Spezza is shopped hard, which is just wishful thinking from you. Then you say that even if he returns, O’Reilly is not a 3rd or 4th line Center (never said he was, there’s just no room for him).

            So if we get O’reilly and Spezza stays, you would put Turris on the third line?

            And no, our biggest need is on defense. By far.

          • FistsofNeil25

            O’Reilly is a natural center but he’s played the wing for a lot of this season.

          • MB

            Extremely versatile player and that’s probably his greatest asset as a player, can play in any and every situation and be a difference maker anywhere up front.

            If he ever did end up in Ottawa I think he would be played up the middle though.

          • Doc

            That would make more sense. Having him on Turris wing would just be filthy.

          • MB

            My idea of making sense and yours are clearly different. You make room for O’Reilly, simple as that. He’s a player you win with and you win with in your top 6 at any position. You are playing NHL for EA sports right now, trying to fill out a roster, I’m stating O’Reilly plays in any teams top 6. People are so consumed with saying these are lines 1, 2, and 3, that’s now how it tends to work when your team is deep enough to roll 3 scoring lines out there.

            As for yours and a lot of other peoples comments about the D being the biggest need, the D core isn’t, team defense is and that’s extremely clear. Odd man rushes time and time again have very little to do with the actual D men on the ice.

            And finally Spezza being shopped… everyone knows he is going to be shopped and it’s coming from all angles. People might love Spezza and might want him to stay but in this case a lot of people are ignoring some pretty obvious things. Again, if you don’t believe I am credible that’s fine but I’ll defer to SC once more to back up what I am saying in terms of the Sens very heavily weighing their options with Spezza (my opinion aisde).

          • Doc

            Well you didn’t provide any solution. You just mention that he’d play in the top 6, without taking into account all the other players that are currently signed. Making room for him would be required of course, but unless a trade happens with one of our big names, I just don’t see it happen. I do agree about the lines though, TOI is what matters.

            And I have to disagree about our D core. It’s not good. At all. Besides Karlsson and Methot, we have 5-6 bottom pairings guys playing outside their respective roles. In no way should Cowen or Gryba be playing in the top 4. We need a top 2 D to play with Karlsson, move Methot down and have him shelter one of the younger guys, and have a competent bottom pairing.

            Spezza was not being shopped per se, they were listening to offers. Quite the difference from ‘being shopped hard’. If Murray wasn’t actively listening to all potential offers for our star players, then he wouldn’t be doing his job properly. Weighing your options is a constant process and one that a GM should always be doing.

            Should be an entertaining off-season, that’s for sure.

          • MB

            Once again I will defer to SC, I know he does like Spezza but I hope he will open up with what he knows about the current situation. I know credibility isn’t given on this site and most others as I am a random poster but it’s SC blog and he has some.

            Murray saying there were calls or listened to offers on Spezza during a playoff hunt is the only answer he would ever give no matter what, so lets put that into the correct context. I also never said Spezza is being shopped hard, I said he will be. Minor difference as it is in my comment it’s a big difference right now before the season ends.

            As for the D, again I disagree and think once there is a complete commitment to team defense the D core will look a lot stronger than it currently does. There’s a way bigger need for a complete top 6 player than a D man.

          • Doc

            Even with the emergence of guys like Zibby and Hoffman, along with maybe Stone? That’s not even mentioning Hemsky being re-signed.

            I just can’t see us moving forward with this D corp. I agree that team D is also a huge factor, but with the way our current back-end is playing it makes me anything but comfortable.

          • MB

            Young back end and they will have there issues, have to be patient. Again they need to sort out the mess up front before you can really decide what you need or are missing on the back end.

          • Doc

            Our shot against average is so horrible. I really do feel bad for our goalies.

            Hopefully these issues are addressed this off-season, either by roster changes or by team play adjustments.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Team defense is obviously the biggest issue but you can’t look at the group or 6 or 7 guys we currently have and tell me it’s good enough going forward. We’re one top 4 d, preferably a number 2 guy away from having a solid blueline.

          • MB

            They may not “moved forward” with this group of D but I think they move into next year with a revamped forward group. If they struggle next year as well then I think maybe you see some moves but this issue is like putting the cart before the horse, the horse being the forwards.

          • Zelle

            Wow it never occurred to me that would be why Smith is out there so much. I feel really dumb.

          • MB

            Look at last week vs Tampa, Smith took that stupid penalty and probably cost the team the game but he was out there in the last minute. It wasn’t because MacLean felt he deserved it but because he has no damn choice. It’s hard to win faceoffs all over the ice when ever center iceman is a RH shot. Da Costa, Pageau, and Lazar are not going to help with that problem either.

          • Zelle

            I like Smith’s game but hate that he gets too emotional and takes horrible penalties. It makes sense now though, why he takes so many faceoffs. And the line actually generates chances. I wonder what they would look like with a goal-scorer / finisher type on the wing instead of Neil. Last night alone Neil had the puck in front of the net.

          • SensChirp

            Had a conversation about this with someone a couple days ago. They spoke to Colorado about him at the deadline. Think the Avs kicked tires on Spezza too actually.

            But I believe Colorado is looking to extend O’Reilly.

          • Andrews theory

            it’s almost unfair that they have two potential young captains in O’Reilly and Landeskog

          • MB

            No potential for O’Reilly to be a captain in Colorado and he’s obviously not going to take less than the 6.5 mil he’s making now with the new economics in the NHL especially after leading a playoff team in goal scoring.

            It all comes down to the ceiling of what O’Reilly will make vs Duchene and MacKinnon as well as cap management. He won’t be traded for teams spare parts and Ottawa does have assets to move for a goal scoring, 23 year old, LH center man with intangibles coming out of every pore in his body. Might not be Spezza going back but I wouldn’t blink if it was Zibanejad.

          • Doc

            That’s the other issue I have with O’Reilly. Because of the offer sheet, and the subsequent contract he received, his qualifying offer will be huge.

            We do have the cap space, but when you look at Turris, who at one year older has similar production and signed to a ridiculously cheap contract, O’Reilly’s next contract will be harder to digest.

            All about cap management for sure.

          • MB

            We’ll see how the summer plays out but O’Reilly is close to a #1 center in the mold of a Toews, Bergeron, M.Richards, etc, etc. His QO may likely be rejected by him because he’s not signing anything less than a 50 million dollar deal and he’s exactly the player the Sens need in all aspects of the game.

            LH center, 2 way forward, 23 years old, tons of intangibles, can score goals, and play in any kind of game in any situation. There isn’t a player on the roster beside Karlsson that is worth the value of O’Reilly but there are obviously guys who don’t have a chance at being traded and that’s Lehner and Turris, maybe Lazar right now as well.

          • Doc

            Just for clarification, I’m a huge O’Reilly fan. Colorado have an embarrassment of riches in regards to young offensive prospects. They will be filthy good sooner rather than later.

            My comments were more towards how do we make room for him on the roster, both money wise and actual spot.

          • FistsofNeil25

            All this O’Reilly talk is awesome and all but I’m failing to see why Colorado would let him go. I know he’s up for a big contract but they have 23 million in cap space summer regardless of the big contracts of Duchene, Landeskog and Varlamov kicking in. MacKinnon is still on his ELC for another two years and Johnson still has two years at a reasonable 3.5 mill per.

            Colorado has a huge window of opportunity right now and I can’t see them dealing a player like O’Reilly. Like you said yourself, he’s the kind of player that you win with.

          • A-Train

            Bingo. Both organizations would have to twist themselves into knots to get this deal done and justify it to fans. Very unlikely it happens.

            The ONLY argument I could see from Colorado is that they might want to throw a veteran or two with some playoff experience into that mix for the next year or two. But if that’s the case they’ll be getting calls from a lot of GMs with good offers.

          • MB

            Colorado will have cap issues after MacKinnon and Johnson get there extensions. With 5 players signed they will be over 30 million committed is long term cap, with O’Reilly signed long term in Colorado they will be at close to 40 million with 6 guys signed.

          • FistsofNeil25

            So they’re more likely to try and “go for it” in the next couple years before having to re-sign Johnson and Mackinnon to long term big money deals.

            I love O’Reilly but I can’t see a single reason why Colorado would trade him now. Maybe in a couple years, but not now. The cap is only going to continue to go up as well.

          • MB

            O’Reilly isn’t going to be signing a 2 year deal. Maybe the do sign him to that long term deal though and try and move him after a year or two but there’s a huge risk factor in there.

            Also as for the cap, it’s not going up as much as people predicted simply because of the CDN dollar. Every 10 cents equates to about 3 million per team.

          • Don Ciccio

            O’Reilly is the exact type of player that we need on this team and I would love to see him here. The only thing that I can’t see is Ottawa trading Zibanejad to get O’Reilly. The reason I say that, is because unless O’Reilly plays the wing, I can’t see Ottawa going with Spezza, O’Reilly and Turris as your 1,2,3 centremen. I don’t think Turris would be happy being a 3rd. I think if Ottawa gets O’Reilly then, imo opinion Spezza is gone.

          • A-Train

            I don’t think he’d be happy either! O’Reilly has only scored a couple more goals than Turris but is a minus player and making nearly twice the salary.

          • MB

            O’Reilly plays against the cream of the crop in the West night in and night out, produces and contains the other teams best players. He’s the exact player the Sens need.

          • MB

            Again numbering lines is pointless, only one thing matters and that’s TOI. You can label a guy a 4th liner but if he’s playing 20 minutes a night then he’s more valuable to the team that a “4th liner”.

          • Don Ciccio

            I agree with you that numbering lines is pointless but, I just can’t see how all 3 of those guys will get 20 minutes a game. I believe that if the right deal comes along, Spezza will be gone.

          • MB

            Ottawa is a mess right now and things will get sorted out after time. IMO the guy they 100% have to move, no questions asked is Anderson and I have obviously given my reasons why. It’s also an easy 3 plus mil to clear off the books.

          • Don Ciccio

            I agree with you and also think someone like Nabokov would be the perfect guy to back him up.

          • The Apostle

            One of them already is the captain.

          • MB

            The issue there is they will need to sign MacKinnon to a monster deal, 8 years for sure. Duchene, Landeskog, and Varlamov already take up huge cap space on long term deals. Johnson is coming up soon as well and will be looking for a Phaneuf type deal. That’s about 1/2 the cap right there and only 5 players.

            As for the Avs asking about Spezza I as well heard that and perhaps from the same source but Spezza is a player that makes sense for the Avs as well. I wasn’t going to say anything simply because a random poster on your blog looks like he’s making crap up but since you put it out there.

          • SensChirp

            Really depends what they do with Stastny. Spezza might make sense for them because even though he has that big cap hit ($7 mil), it’s only $4 mil in actual dollars. I can see why they would ask. Ottawa not going to give him away though.

          • MB

            That’s exactly it as well. There is also no long term commitment with Spezza and perhaps if he fits in with that group as it is a younger group but still has a solid leadership core then they could extend him at something much more reasonable than what O’Reilly will want and receive.

            I think Stastny just plain and simple walks.

      • Doc

        Because he’s injured? He was our best player before he got hurt.

        • Andrews theory

          Ya, I’m not advocating moving him unless the thinking is we can’t retain him…I have no issues with Ryan
          just sayin, if you want a top end defender you gotta give to get.

          • Doc

            Very true. Anxious to see how the team fairs without him in the line-up the rest of the season.

            Not sure what other pieces Ottawa has to offer in a trade for a legit top 2 defender.

      • thirstytraveller

        How about the Schenn brothers for Ryan and Wiercioch or BoroCop?

      • zBernatchez

        How can they move him? Trade deadline is over…he will walk for more money if he leaves. IMO I think he will get resigned.

    • SensChirp
      • Doc

        You speak French, Chirp?

        • SensChirp

          Ha. I try.

          • Doc

            Awesome. Glad to hear it!

      • The Apostle

        Important part of that article is Turris saying how much enjoys being on the ice with Stone.

  • Andrews theory

    Based on what I’ve seen out of him in Edmonton and his limited time here in Ottawa; he immediately becomes one of our highest pure skill players on the roster, only question mark I wonder about is his consistency specific to compete level.

    With that said, he looks like he’s played a huge role in rejuvenating Spezza and this Spezza versus the other Spezza isn’t even comparable.

    I’d like to see the Sens give Stone some time with those two as the season winds down to see if he can be a finisher for them.

  • MB

    Not a guy I like on a long term deal nor a guy I would sign to a ton of cash personally, having said that there is a need on the wing for skill and speed which Hemsky brings and until some of the youth prove to be good enough to knock a guy like Hemsky out of the top 6 then this is obviously an easy decision from a roster POV.

    Hemsky has played extremely well in his time in Ottawa and if nothing else he is entertaining to watch and plays a high skill game. I think there is way more of a need for some jam up front and on the wings mixed in with skill but if they address that as well then Hemsky could fit in like a glove in Ottawa for a long time.

    • xN1Cx

      Really is true what some Oilers fans say though: they wish he would shoot the puck. I really want a signing but he does like to to hang on to that puck!

  • Dirk-Diggler

    Sign Hemsky to a 4 year deal at 18M or a 5 year deal at 22M.

    Either are good for the player and the team.

    • my2sens

      I like those numbers… does anyone know his agent?

    • Doc

      I want to sign him, but I wouldn’t commit to him long term. Definitely not for 5 years.

  • Dirtysweetness

    Does that mean Spezza is next to be resigned?

    • MB

      Nope

  • Hax

    I would love to see him signed but I predict that he will very quickly become a “bad signing” to many Sens fans the first time he either gets hurt or goes through a slump.

    • Phil.

      Truer words have never been spoken (or written in a blog comment section).

      • Aaron 2.0

        No clue what the pre-emptive strike is all about. Even at a similar cap hit, it’s hard to see how he could become a particularly bad signing. We have too much cap space going forward. We’ll have to spend on some players! If he ends up hurt 50% over 5 years than I’m sure consensus would be that the gamble didn’t work out (but that’s probably the most extreme circumstances imaginable). I’m guessing most fans would probably like to see Murray take this gamble. He seems to work with Spezza. And, he immediately becomes one of the most skilled guys on the team.

        • The Apostle

          I guess it becomes a bad signing if Hemsky gets injured and we have 5 million tied up with him that we can’t spend elsewhere. For the time being we, as fans, have to come to terms with the fact that the cap isn’t the number we need to be worried about.

          However, I think we have to try to re-sign hemsky, especially if the plan is to continue with Spezza. I don’t know why we would get all excited over somebody finally having chemistry with #19 and then let them walk away.

          • Aaron 2.0

            Yeah, that damn internal cap! Let’s say he was tied up for 5 million though. It’s not a huge contract (at least not in today’s NHL). At worse it could be an over-payment if he runs into injury problems. If signing other talent becomes a problem because of the internal cap, I feel fans would be more likely to voice their displeasure with ownership, rather than Hemsky. I could be wrong though. It’s hard to predict what fans will do / think / feel!

          • runningbear1974

            It does feel like Murray is going with Spezza and Phillips to win him the cup before he retires… It does feel like he’s betting on those guys…

    • Doc

      Oh god yes. Sad to say, but it will only be a matter of time.

      We know who the usual suspects are going to be too. Same posters, same nonsense.

    • runningbear1974

      His best year he got 23 goals…

      • Doc

        TRADE HIM!! HE’S GARBAGE!!

        Am I doing this right?

        • Colin

          Close. Just post that 5 times a day for 8 weeks and you will be a superfan in no time at all.

          • Doc

            I still have a lot to learn… :/

  • sens88

    Speaking of bad signings, this one’s good for a laugh:

    http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/what-do-the-leafs-do-with-david-clarkson/

    And to think the Sens wanted him. We dodged that bullet…

  • CC

    Keith for Norris?

    K65 is in the running, but the -/+ is certainly a factor. Yes Keith plays with a stacked team, but he’s a shutdown defender, great play maker and can put the puck in the net just as good as any other top d in this league.

    • Doc

      Not a shutdown D, but probably the best two-way D in the game currently.

      He’s definitely the favourite to win it this year.

    • FistsofNeil25

      It will be between Keith or Pietrangelo for sure. Notice how both of those guys not only play on great teams, but they also have great defensive partners like Seabrook and Bouwmeester. Karlsson played half the season with Cowen who has barely been NHL caliber this season and Methot who’s not a top pairing dman

    • The Apostle

      Karlsson shouldn’t be close to getting the Norris this year. You can’t give it to somebody with a -20 rating, no matter how many goals he has scored.

      Also, up until very recently Karlsson hasn’t been on the PK, I appreciate that’s because we want to save his minutes for even strength and the power play but I am not a fan of giving the Norris to somebody who doesn’t play in all defensive situations. I’d like a new award brought in for highest scoring defenseman or something like that and a return to the Norris concentrating on the defending aspect of the game.

      • FistsofNeil25

        May as well call that new award The Karlsson. No one will out produce this guy from the blueline for the next decade.

      • Aaron 2.0

        I don’t think that’s necessary. The award is for the greatest all-around ability of a defender. It’s never been strictly only about defense. There’s more than one way to skin a cat. Karlsson plays the game differently than others in the position. I agree he has no business being in contention for it this year though. Simply, his offensive prowess didn’t sufficiently make up for his defensive shortcoming this year. I think he deserved it the year he won it.

  • FistsofNeil25

    I know Hemsky has looked great here in his short time as a Senator, but like others have mention we’ll likely have to sign him to a 4 or 5 year deal at 5mill per season if we have any hope in retaining him. Given his history I’m not sure that’s the greatest idea. He’s definitely talented and fun to watch, but he’s also been injury prone and inconsistent throughout his career.

    • runningbear1974

      Will that contract be tradeable? Or will we be stuck with it for 4-5 years? Didn’t the oilers have to pay some of his salary? That’s kind of like saying he’s not worth that much to us…

  • FistsofNeil25

    I think this summer should be one of the most important in Sens history. Melnyk has to decide which direction he’s going to take this team. If he’s willing to put a bit more money in to the team to be a contender, or if he’s going to continue to operate under an internal budget for the foreseeable future.

    If Murray is given the green light to spend, then he should give this Spezza led squad another chance and fill in the missing pieces through trades and free agency. If we’re going to continue to be a budget team, then Murray should finish the rebuild and sell off guys like Spezza, Anderson, Neil etc to the highest bidder.

    • xN1Cx

      I much prefer the former as i think there is a lot of heart and soul on this team (granted we sign the likes of Ryan, Hemsky and Mac). Scoring has not been an issue all year but I think letting Lehner know at the end of the year that it is his crease will pay dividends over the summer along with of course playing Philips as 7th and replacing him with a competent and versatile D man.

    • Jacques

      Finish the rebuild properly , name Turris Captain and lets go!

  • Miguel

    as the reality of us missing the playoffs gets closer and closer, we begint to forecast into next season. And as I take off my Rose coloured glasses, it gets harder and harder to be excited about he upcoming season
    Signing Hemsky would be a huge plus in an otherwise unsettling forecast.
    My concerns going into next year
    - another 2 more years of CP4
    – its not just that over 4 years he has continually slowed down, but he will not get any faster in the next two seasons, and the way this team operates we all know he will be top 4 and will be put in situations that will hurt the teaam. This plus a struggling Cowen will certainly cripple this D coming next year. Our D can overcome 1 of them but not both of them. Not sure how to imporve this
    - we have arguabley 1 top 3 line and 1 4th line, with little substance in between
    – we have 5 players who are all 4th liners at best, who should only play less than 10 mins per game
    – Condra, Neil, Smith, Greening, Kassian, should never ever see more than 4th line minutes the experiment of putting some fo these guys on 2nd and 3rd lines have cost us games and I cannot see this changes with the stuborness that PM has shown in playing these guys. Again he plays them in situations where they cannot succeed and we the fans suffer from watching it
    - PM has had success but his stuborness in not being able to adapt, is very concerning.
    – He has a soft spot for the pluggers and underdogs, but cannot work with the talented players on this team
    - BM has done some majic, but as of late some of the moves has cost us and we will suffer that pain next year, with no 1st round draft pick and likely a lottery pick
    – his stuborness as a well to force feed some of his favs ie Cowen Greening vs PW46, has hurt this team and I do not see this changing next year, as both are signed to long term contracts, and the fans will suffer from having to watch them.
    So please a Hemsky signing could be the one bright spot in an otherwise very long winter again next year.

    • runningbear1974

      I agree this team can only handle one of Phillips or Cowen…

      I’m hoping Phillips is so ashamed of himself, that he will practice this summer and get better… But, he doesn’t have to, he gets paid either way :)

  • HamadBo$$

    Maple leaf fans finally realized how stupid the clarkson deal was…

    • CUP 2014-15

      Nice thought for the blue team but DP has no idea what he is talking about. Each team has two compliance buyouts and T.O. has used both of theirs to get rid of Komisarek and Grabo. No buyouts left for the buds, nice to see that Grabo buyout worked so well. LOL

  • Nico

    Interesting to read they`re shutting down Ryan for the season.
    To me that really opens the door for Stone to show he can be exactly what Ryan is, a goal scorer with good finish. Going forward it will come down to which of the two do we keep? They were having this discussion on AM1200 yesterday and I agree with the guys that we can (should) only keep one of those two on the team seeing as their footspeed can be a hindrance and you want to only keep one of the 2 in the top 9.
    That being said, a third line of Stone-Zibby-Lazar leaves me very, very excited.
    Anyways, what do you guys think? If Stone shows he can be a gritty goal scorer with good finish, do we keep both? Do we keep the cheaper one (budget) or move the top prospect in a package for someone to play with EK (or other)?
    Certainly makes for an interesting off season if mgmt is gauging which of the two can fill that top 6 goal scorer role…

    • The Apostle

      Keep both, play them on different lines.

      It’s not like we are overwhelmed with quality in the top 9.

    • FistsofNeil25

      Stone still has shown that he can be a full time NHLer. He has looked very good in his last two games though since being called-up. He could have a very bright future is he has indeed improved his skating. It sure looks like he has.

      I don’t think we have to choose between him and Ryan though. To be honest I think our chances of re-signing Bobby are very very slim. I think he’s either traded or walks away as a free agent.

      I really like Bobby but if he doesn’t show interest in signing a contract extension then he should be traded this summer. We can’t afford to lose him as a free agent after giving up what we did for him. His value will only diminish the closer we get to the trade deadline next season.

      Look at what Vanek got the Isles at the deadline. Collberg and a conditional 2nd round draft pick.

      • Andrews theory

        Agreed, they need to be really careful with this one. Letting him walk with no return is an unacceptable outcome that would set the club back a couple years.
        That said, on the Vanek front keep in mind these two words…”Garth Snow”
        they did a comparison on what the Sabres got versus what the Islanders got for Vanek within the same year and it’s pretty crazy

    • Mark

      I have never been a fan of Ryan’s skating. Stone has improved his skating and is a faster skater than Ryan, but Ryan has better hands. I know this is not a popular opinion, but, I would rather trade Ryan and see if we can fleece another team. Ryan’s agent is going to be commanding a long term deal at a minimum of 7 million a season and I don’t think he is worth the money. There is a reason he fell out of favour in Anaheim while Perry and Getzlaf flourished. Obviously I am not a fan and I wouldn’t be surprised if Murray is not too impressed with him at this point. He came in hot and has cooled considerably.

      • runningbear1974

        That’s too bad some people feel this way… He’s not a great skater, but i’ve seen him skating his butt off defensively millions of times… His anticipation is above par, his sense of the game… He does so many intangibles… Sacrifices his body… but unfortunately he does fall down a lot… But, i say he’s worth 7 million…

    • A-Train

      They will really want to sign Bobby Ryan. Obviously losing him for nothing would be a fiasco, but even trading him at this point would be a black eye. Murray knew what Ryan was before bringing him here — he will try very hard to resign him. And really I haven’t seen anything from Ryan suggesting he doesn’t want to be here.

      • Jacques

        they will clear out Spezza and have no trouble signing Ryan. Get him healed up for the summer and will be dynamite next year.

        • FistsofNeil25

          So you think Ryan wants to continue to play for a budget team that won’t be willing to match the type of contract he would get on the open market?

          • runningbear1974

            I think Bobby Ryan will want to play with Turris because he’s such a nice fun guy to be around…

          • Harv

            Turris is the number 1 center and put Ryan there with MacArthur and yes, I can see him wanting to stay.

    • runningbear1974

      I would keep both Stone and Ryan… I would make them part of our Identity… Stone has developed according to instructions from management, he’s complied and we’re now reaping the rewards… Bobby Ryan gives his all every shift… He goes to centre of the ice, passes, shoots, hits, …. He’s what we should try to be as an organization… If anything, my vote is more Bobby Ryan, more Stone…

      • Harv

        I agree. Ryan and Stone are the type of players we need. They both have good hands and make plays a lot of other guys don’t see.

  • A-Train

    It’s just so hard to know if signing Hemsky is a good or bad idea without being sure how much Melnyck is prepared to spend on the roster in general.

  • CohMa

    Hey Chirp,
    Have you heard anything on the college free agent Christian Folin that Ottawa’s apparently interested in? Sorry if you previously posted something on it, I must have missed it.

    • Miguel

      thanks Cohma,
      but I for one am not as excited about the college free agenst anymore.
      all the huge hype on guys like Winchester, Butler, SDC, only to see them never really get a decent shot does not get me too pumped about signing a guy that 30 teams have overlooked.
      Also, after the treatment of some of these guys, I am not too certain Ottawa would be a prime destination.

      • CohMa

        True, but I’d be willing to take a chance on a 6’4″ 210lbs mobile defensive defensemen. He’s been compared to Danny DeKeyser (who’s been quite good in Detroit). And he’s from Gothenburg, SWE and played in the Frolunda system, before coming to North America. I think Karlsson could convince him to come to Ottawa. His potential future D partner!

        • Miguel

          thanks Cohma… good research and I am sold :-)

      • bishbosh

        Winchester and Butler both got more than decent shots with the Senators. It’s not that the didn’t get a shot, it’s that they weren’t good enough.

        Both got 1 way contracts, Winchester played over 200 games for the Sens and Butler nearly 100.

        What exactly did you want us to do for these guys?

        • Miguel

          just not going to buy up all the hype the media will put on these undrafted hopefuls thats all

          • bishbosh

            Get that, but to say the Senators don’t give such players a shot is, in 2 of the 3 cases you cited, inaccurate.

    • Phoenix

      An addition like this kid would take a little of the sting out of not having a first rounder.

    • SensChirp

      They are interested but not one of the favourites according to Bob McKenzie

  • 383

    I think signing Hemsky is great, but there are bigger factors here then even just potential term and cap hit. How much is crazy Uncle Euge willing to spend? Yes, the cap is going up, but as we all know we have an internal budget and until we get a sense to as what that budget is, it’s really hard to know what will be a good signing.
    For example, if giving Hemsky 5.5 Million over 5 years means we can’t sign 1 of MaCarthur or Spezza, I don’t know if I want to sign Hemsky then. You can switch any of the names around to include Methot, Ryan and Anderson (who is a whole other conversation altogether, NO CLUE what they are going to do on the goaltending front beyond next year).
    So until we know what the hell is going on with this organization, it’s really hard as fans to know what to even want. A lot of tough decisions are going to be made this summer and onward. I feel as though Murray will still make his move at the draft, I’m not 100% sold that we won’t end up with a 1st round pick via trade.

  • Moudy Mahfouz

    My off season priorities:
    1a)PLEASE SIGN MACARTHUR
    1b)Sign Hemsky (4 years) Keep da captain, sign methot and Ryan(if he wants to stay)
    2)get a top 4 d (Boyle, Myers, Markov or Myers)
    3)Get rid of Greening and or Condra
    4) get a veteran forward or a veteran D
    5)Maybe sign Michaelek but the way Stone is playing he should replace him

    Stone/Michaelek-Spezza-Hemsky
    Mac-Turris-Ryan
    Hoffman-Zibby-(veteran forward)
    neil-smith-Greening/ condra

    Karlsson-Markov
    Methot-Ceci
    Cowen-Wiercioch-Phillips-other pick up on D

    PS: Do not get all this Ryan hate all of a sudden, he was out best players for the first half of the season and clearly he was injured. Give the guy a break. I think if we have a better season and we bring in some strong defense he will maybe resign.

    GO SENS GO

    • nikeb613

      Id have Lazar in place of that veteran forward on the third line. Instead lets try this:
      Ryan/Spezza/Hemsky
      MacArthur/Turris/Stone
      Hoffman/Zibanejad/Lazar
      Greening/Smith/Neil

      • FistsofNeil25

        No more GSN. Not even as a fourth line. Just no more please. You know Maclean would play them more than Hoff-Zib-Lazar anyway.

        • Moudy Mahfouz

          Exactly, I cant stand seeing GSN anymore lmao

        • nikeb613

          GSN is frustrating. If played as a 4th line im sure things would be fine. Maybe Maclean will change next year? I just feel like this is the most realistic lineup wed ice. It would be next to impossible to sit out neil, greening has zero trade value and we cant afford to buy him out. IMO smith has been doing fine and is better kept there rather than replacing him with Grant

    • Dr Sens

      Well getting a top4 D and a Vet D is essentially the same thing

      I would break it down like this

      1) sign ryan to 5 years at 6 million
      2) sign MacA to 5 years 4.2 million
      3) Sign Methot to 5 years at 3.75 million
      4) Sign Hemsky 3 years at 5.5 million (no choice here if you want to keep him)
      5) Let Michalek g
      6) Definitely get rid of Condra
      7) If you can move a defenceman than get a Vet D back if not you are stuck with 8 Dees.
      Karlsson-Methot
      Ceci-XXX
      Cowen-Wiercioch
      Boro-Phillips

    • Sensnation

      Every team wants a top 4 dman. There aren’t enough above average ones in the league for each team to have 4 true top 4 dmen, and it would be hard to afford another one with the budget.

  • NO65*

    Read last night while watching the game; should the Sens get Bryan Campbell to play with EK656? Interesting. He’s only -2 this season and brings a calmness with the puck that would benefit the King.

    • Nico

      Simple ‘no’ i think works here.

      edit: No because they have the same roles on their respective teams. I think we’d want a younger, stronger, more stay at home D over Campbell. A player who could partner with EK for years to come

      • Moudy Mahfouz

        I was actually thinking that too.

    • Nico

      I remember reading something a few days ago when Karlsson came out with that interview about his personal hardships this season and someone was flipping out about him wanting to get out of ottawa etc etc etc.

      Fact is, this team is built around Karlsson, this system is built FOR Karlsson. I can’t believe he would want out for any reason. This is his team.

      That being said, the total disregard shown by mgmt to find him a partner has left me scratching my head. Priority 1 this summer should be finding him a partner.

      My best case scenario is that Ceci fills that role and can partner with EK for years to come, that would just be so awesome. And I think Ceci can definitely be molded into that role. Then you have internal options for the other pairings, something like:
      Cowen-Weircoch (that was the hope this year)
      Methot-Claessen/Boro

      • A-Train

        I didn’t see anything in that interview to be concerned about. Yes, he mentioned it was tough having three of his buddies leave town but that is pro sports. It happens everywhere and players understand that.

        He also said he wasn’t fully into shape yet and was finding it hard to skate back on the backcheck for that reason. And not to get too TMZ here, but he also said he was dating a local. I’d take those last two things as positives.

        • Nico

          Ya, I totally agree.

        • Zelle

          Awe he’s dating again? I’m happy for him!

      • Jacques

        Karl65 and Ceci are both right handed shots + plus both want to be puck movers – better if on diff pairs.

    • Sensnation

      Hell No! Campbell is way overpaid, and you do not want him and Karlsson playing half your games as a pairing.

  • aegiszx

    Hemsky has had 1 pt in the past 5 games. Most of his point totals came during the first few games… Kind of streaky… Granted the team has been rough, its hard to tell if this will be a good deal or not… REALLY depends on the price tag…

    • Doc

      TRADE HEMSKY!!1!

  • Brutus5247

    Bottom line is if the team isn’t in the top 15 for spending(with smart acquisitions) they aren’t likely going to be competitive. We make a trade here trade there but if they are neutral cap hit trades chances are we aren’t going to be better. It will be trading our problem for another teams problem. This team must shake their head when Neil and Greening are out in the last two minutes. Smith has earned his keep but REALLY, do you want to win or are you preventing a loss. My take on moves that need to be made from a really unbiased viewpoint.

    Neil…heart and soul to the fans/coach but pretty much a non impact player. His penalties have killed us in a lot of games and from what has been said(second hand) the players are not too fond of him.

    Phillips.. OK along the boards where he doesn’t need to skate. I think they signed him to get something back in a trade without giving him up for nothing as a UFA. If not, this is a bad signing.

    Wiercioch.. Plays the offensive game OK 1/2 point per game with PP. Defensive game is not up to standard at this point. A 3 year signing shows that someone had confidence in his development. Need to move 2 left D’s to bring in an UFA.

    Greening What can I say. Plays hard but just can’t produce. His contract next year is ridiculous and if the team wants to move him they will need to retain a half.

    Spezza… has played better in the last 8 games but seems in Lalaland half the time. Either he plays a two way game or he’s gone. Prefer Turris as Captain, plays a 60min 200ft game and leads by example.

    Cowen.. has played better lately but is the guy worth 3.2 mil/year. He will need to start proving it on a regular basis.

    Condra.. I like his defensive game but GOD is he terrible offensively. Quick skater and Ok as a 4th line checker.

    Michalyk Hustles hard but has lost a lot of the touch for scoring. Unfortunately he’s playing with the biggest slacker centerman. Isn’t worth keeping him unless it is a 1 year contract.

    • Jacques

      Good points

  • A-Train

    Hate to be a rumour buzzkill….but it’s a general principal that the most obviously and likely outcome will be what actually happens.

    That means signing the guys we already have — just much easier to do. I predict Hemsky, Spezza and Ryan are all eventually signed/extended.

    • NO65*

      Getting Spezza – Ryan – Hemsky extended doesn’t sound like bad news to me.

      • A-Train

        Me neither! And I’m saying that it’s far more likely than some of the more outlandish scenarios I’m reading here.

        • Jacques

          they’re trading Spezza for sure.

          • A-Train

            Anything’s possible, but that’s not the most likely outcome.

          • Aaron 2.0

            Would be strange to trade Spezza, indicating management wants to go the youth route, and then re-sign Hemsky (if reports of interest in re-signing are accurate).

          • A-Train

            You’ve pointed out something obvious but really important to emphasize for people wondering what direction the team will go in.

            Signing Hemsky really puts a bullet in the idea the team is even entertaining the notion of “blowing it up” or even trading some of the key players (Spezza, Anderson etc) that a lot of fans seem to want gone. Probably signals the end of Michalek though, but that was pretty obvious already too.

          • Sensnation

            Thank god management and the fans are not wanting the same thing, I’d be afraid for this team if it just followed fans. Chances are we have Spezza for the foreseeable future, and Hemsky looks good there.

            I thought like you about Michalek, but I’m starting to wonder if maybe we’ll get the Michalek-Hemsky home town discount deals to try and keep both on that line.

          • sprucesens

            I think its michalek out, hemsky in. Money almost cancels out. Then the filler will be any of our top prospects, unless we can get a guy like cammelleri to fill in the top 6, then run with a 3rd line of scoring kids. Some combo of Zib, stone, Hoffman, SDC, puempel, prince, lazar. My guess is prince and wiercioch are traded for a more established D in the offseason, maybe even SDC too if we can get a solid top 4. Maybe a team like Winnipeg could give up bogosian? That’s 3 B+ prospects for a solid top 4. I think it would get talks going, then they switch SDC for stone and its done. Who knows.

          • A-Train

            I think there’s a difference between the “average fan” and certain commenters out there.

            I’m pretty sure a lot of people out there pay their money and want to see guys like Spezza do their thing.

            Don’t think there’s a big segment of the gate-paying public that’s thinking “gee, why am I not seeing half of the B-Sens tonight. Those guys sure do work hard!”

          • Sensnation

            I’d love to agree, and hope the ratio with the gate paying public is like you say, I just always run into these types at games as well. The trade Spezza crowd has always been unjustly huge in Ottawa.

          • MB

            Are you saying those who don’t like the type of game Spezza plays are uneducated about the Sens or hockey in general? There are a ton of people that don’t like Spezza’s overall game and they have every right to be critical especially if they pay their money.

            I like a certain type of player (Toews, Bergeron, Turris, O’Reilly) and believe those are the types of players you win with. FTR I realize Turris doesn’t belong in this group at this point in time and O’Reilly might not either. I do believe Turris is a better player than Spezza even if not as talented.

          • A-Train

            I’m just saying you may not be in the majority. In the end, most people just want a winning team. But also, a lot of folks want to see something like that sick Hemsky dangle vs. Tampa.

          • MB

            I would say at the best of times it’s pretty close to a 50/50 split.

            Everyone loves seeing a goal like Hemsky scored but I’ll trade the playoffs for it right now if I could.

          • A-Train

            A split between what and what exactly? Let’s take as a given that nobody goes to the game hoping to see the team lose.

            Are you saying 50% of fans in Ottawa would rather see players who just “work hard” than players who flash incredible, all-world skill?

            Wow. That is such a depressing analysis of the fanbase.

          • MB

            If a player like Turris is a guy who works hard vs a guy with like Spezza than yah, I think a lot of people would.

            People are starting to pick and choose what someone like myself is saying and coming to their own conclusion about it.

            Like I said I would take Turris over Spezza each and every day. A game last night is probably the reason I dislike Spezza so much as a player being in the position is in. The guy played a great frigging game despite being -1 and no points. Sounds weird right? It’s not. He back checked hard, he was winning puck battles, hell there was a play in the 3rd where I said “wtf is he doing there, he’s never there” when he broke up an odd man rush on the back check. Why did that piss me off? Because he obviously chooses when he wants to do it and when not to which is exactly why people dislike him.

          • puckoff

            Actually, Spezza did say publicly what he thought happened to him this season.

            *At the start of the year I don’t think I was as sharp as maybe I’ve
            been in the past, because I missed a full season. “As much as I wanted to tell myself I was going to hop back on to the highway at full speed, it maybe took me 15-20 games to get back to that game pace.

            I’ve felt better about my game for the last couple of months, and I’m starting to get rewarded offensively for it.”*

            source: http://www.ottawasun.com/2014/

          • A-Train

            It’s not news that Spezza just pisses some people off. But why does it need to be Turris vs. Spezza? They are both excellent players, with different styles.

            But for some reason people feel the need to hold up Turris and say “why can’t Spezza be THAT?!”

            I’ll never get it ….

          • puckoff

            Yep, good points. Having Spezza and Turris gives the Sens a great 1-2 punch.

            It’s almost a topline 1A and a top line 1B. If Hemsky does get signed by the Sens and he helps Spezza to produce, that will make the Sens a better team

          • MB

            Just an easy comparable at this point and it’s not Turris vs Spezza for me, it’s just a simple I don’t really believe Spezza is the go to guy on a team or can be counted on to play a consistent, responsible game.

            If Spezza could slip back into a 2nd line center role without the C on his jersey etc etc then I think he would be a perfect fit but you can’t strip the guy of the C, you can’t tell him he’s this. The only way it will work in Ottawa for Spezza is if he somehow plays the way that is being asked of him and does it consistently each and every night.

            2011-12 was the best he has ever played in the NHL, it’s not even close to any other season. He was pretty close to everything you could have wanted in a #1 center at that point. Does he ever get back to that? Does he want to play that way and that hard all the time? Is he physically capable of doing that over a long period of time? These are all legit questions and concerns about Spezza the player.

            If they resign Spezza he’s here for the long haul and there won’t be any changing that and people like myself better start to support him because it does no one any good being negative about it or ripping on his game… and I will. That said I think it’s a mistake to go that route and I do believe based on all that has happened he’s going to be traded.

          • Doc

            I lol’ed at the last part.

          • MB

            Think this is the first time I have seen or heard anyone mention blowing it up. Moving 1 player would not be blowing it up and moving Anderson certainly would not be blowing it up.

            Every single media person who has talked about the Sens off season moves talked about major changes and Michalek and Greening not coming back or being moved is at best described as a foot note.

            I would be willing to make any kind of bet anyone wants that one of Anderson or Spezza will not be back. That’s a major shift. If people believe both guys will be back having 1 year left on their deals while have below average years (especially Anderson and his “injury”).

          • Sensnation

            Sens still need a backup next year. Plan was always to keep Anderson around during the transition to Lehner as the starter, but I think a lot will depend on how much Lehner commands this summer in a new contract.

          • MB

            Again Anderson was shipped out of Colorado because he was a head case. I could be reading way too much into this right now with everything and by personal bias for Lehner could be leaking in but to me this is just history repeating itself with Anderson.

          • A-Train

            Well if you read my post I am separating the two out.

            Blowing it Up — True, not often talked about in the media but I have seen a few people here and elsewhere advocating the idea. Anyway, it’s not happening and a potential Hemsky signing is further, though probably unnecessary, proof

            And why does trading Spezza or Anderson make any sense at all?
            They are two vastly different deals to be sure. But I just don’t see why the team would do either. Maybe you can tell me.

          • MB

            Like I said yesterday I think Lehner getting the start in Florida was a statement by the coach and organization about who they are going with. Anderson, like in Colorado by all accounts is acting like a head case (again) and it would be unwise to go into next year with Anderson in the room expecting to be the #1.

            Even yesterday on the radio MacLean echoed exactly what I said about Lehner. He was put in the toughest of spots, struggled, but battled hard and has really stuck it out and worked hard to stay in the net. MacLean literally said “that’s what a #1 does”. You can take it as a compliment to Lehner or a slap in the face to Anderson (as he doesn’t have a great rep from battling). Personally I think it was both.

            Having Andrson back up a guy like Lehner is just a disaster waiting to happen.

            So, having said that if they do move Anderson perhaps that is the major shakeup they want and needed and they decide to ride it out with Spezza and see where he’s at next year. It’s not as extreme as trading Spezza but perhaps has the same kind of effect in the room.

          • BFR

            MacLean said he worked hard and battled adversity, but he did not say what you claim. He literally said “In his progress of learning to become a #1 goalie…” There’s a big difference. He also went on to say “If you are going to do what we ask, work hard to progress as a (young) player, we should reward that if we get the opportunity.”

            Sounds more like a team that is looking to give an opportunity to the young guys that show progress seeing as the playoffs are a pipe dream.

            So yes, you are reading way too much into it. Playing Lehner yesterday has far more to do with Lehner, than it does Anderson.

          • MB

            I would hope it has more to do with Lehner than it does with Anderson… at least we agree there. But as I said there is no way Anderson didn’t take this personally and I don’t believe I am reading too much into how the goaltending is being handled right now.

            As for what you quotes, MacLean did say “Lehner is also in the process of learning how to be #1″ You are 100% correct. He also said “that’s what you want from your #1″ when talking about the battling portion of things. Don’t just remove a quote to satisfy your side of the argument. To me, again that was a statement made towards Anderson. That’s how I took it and I know I am not the only one.

            As for giving a guy an opportunity, that’s exactly what it is and Lehner once again is showing no signs of giving back the net unless he’s forced out of it. I don’t think MacLean makes that mistake again. If it plays out like that I don’t see Anderson being anything but pissed off and he should be, he lost his job. You go into next year with that hanging around the room it will be a disaster again. IMO a big reason things went off the rails this year with MacLean sticking by his guy when he probably shouldn’t have.

          • BFR

            Funny, first you say “I could be reading way too much into this right now with everything and by personal bias for Lehner could be leaking in….” Now you say “…I don’t believe I am reading too much into how the goaltending is being handled right now.” Make up your mind.

            If you are talking about Behind the Bench on the Pre-Game Show, then the only reference made to #1 was the one I mentioned.

            When he speaks of battling in the interview, he means making the next stop and trying to get your game back on track, not hurrying back from injury. That’s where you are reading way too much into it.

          • MB

            What’s there too make up? I believe I am right otherwise I would state my opinion, doesn’t mean I won’t be wrong at the end of it. I’m not a politician.

            You interpreted that way, that’s fine I didn’t. And he absolutely mentioned your #1 battling and guess what? Anderson is a lot of things and a guy that battles isn’t one. We’ll see I guess but if Lehner gets the majority of the starts down the stretch (which it looks like he will) a smart man would guess Anderson isn’t coming back.

            Trading Anderson is also a big enough move where it would rock things a little.

          • BFR

            That’s because that’s the only interpretation that makes sense seeing as he never mentioned anything about injury. If it’s the interview I’m talking about, no, he didn’t.

          • Brutus5247

            Can’t trade all the vets and go youth.

      • FistsofNeil25

        Where’s the money going to come from to sign these guys?

        • Aaron 2.0

          Do you think any of them should expect a pay increase over their previous? I don’t see it happening for Spezza or Hemsky. I’m not one to spend too much time assessing contracts around the NHL though.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Honestly no I don’t think any of them should get a pay increase. I don’t think other teams would pay more than 5 or 7 mill for Hemsky and Spezza respectively, but other teams would likely be willing to give them more term than us. Bobby will probably be able to cash in big time as a free agent though.

          • Aaron 2.0

            I agree w/ Ryan. He could be very hard to retain. I’d like to think we could re-sign Spezza before FA (assuming management wants him long-term). I think Hemsky could probably be had for a reasonable contract, but probably will look for some term (likely more than 1 or 2 years). But, just guessing!

        • sprucesens

          the increase I guess is in hemsky. But we also have to stay above the floor, so we have to add somewhere. And likely to have a few lesser paid players on the way out soon me thinks. Ryan is due more, likely up to 2 mill more. Spezza will stay about the same. Not enough argument in either direction. Injuries yes, points yes.

  • Moudy Mahfouz

    Thats Detroit Leafs game on Saturday is looking very good. Might have to watch it. GO ALFIE GO

    • NO65*

      In my best scenario, both team would miss the playoffs.

      • Moudy Mahfouz

        Really, i want alfie to win the CUP

        • Sensnation

          He can rot in Detroit for all I care. I’d have chased one for him here, but do not feel the same respect for him as when greats left their teams for a cup.

        • FistsofNeil25

          Yeah me too! Still love Alfie. Can’t blame him for wanting to leave the Eugene Melnyk circus!

        • bishbosh

          This is how it works for me for winning the cup
          1 – Ottawa
          2 – 27 – any other team except
          28 – Montreal
          29 – Pittsburgh
          30 – Toronto

    • Zelle

      I watch any Leafs and Habs game I can because when they get goals against I get happy.

  • Jacques

    Retaining Hemsky is a good idea!

  • runningbear1974

    Am i the only one worried about Hemsky’s play? So far so good, sort of… I would prefer another Macarthur to Hemsky… I would personally want to stay away from those labelled as “skilled”… Prefer someone like Macarthur that tries hard every shift…

    Why does he get 5 million, and Macarthur get 3 million? I don’t get it… Why is he perceived as more valuable?

    • Zelle

      Thumbs up because that is how I feel as well, but I think of this in a two scenario possibility. He and Spezza are good together, so if Spezza stays, I say sign Hemsky, otherwise, I say go for another MacArthur / Turris type of forward.

      • runningbear1974

        So far Hemsky this year has been the best to play with Spezza… But, I still don’t think they’re playing that great… Not close to as good as how the Turris line was playing earlier in the season… They are not generating chance after chance and completely eliminating the other team from having scoring chances…

        • Zelle

          Turris line doesn’t always produce or get scoring chances, and they do get scored on. I think they just play such a different game that their effectiveness will vary based on the opposing team. Last night Panthers were very tough, and Spezza line seemed to be completely out muscled in the offensive zone. They played a good game, just didn’t generate the same chances as the Turris line.

          • runningbear1974

            Turris’ line was very consistent until after christmas… I forget when exactly, so i personally believe it was because of injury that their game slid…

    • Sensnation

      Skilled players get more money because they generally can score more. Anyone can play a 2-way game, you can’t teach skill.

      MacArthur is close to having a career year and was signed after a down year.

      • runningbear1974

        I’m so glad you said this… You can’t teach skill… And, implied from this, defense can be taught? Is that the case? You can teach defense? If yes, why is a veteran really bad at defense? Is it because never bothered trying, and improving in that area?

        • Sensnation

          What are you talking about? No one mentioned defense here . There’s not 1 veteran on our team who didn’t improve their D over their careers here, so obviously you’re just looking to shoot someone down.

          • runningbear1974

            Yeah… You’re right, i just took this opportunity to mention something i’ve been thinking about… I’m concerned about the identity of this organization…
            Spezza has improved, but he’s still shit defensively… He could if he wanted to be so much better defensively… He just never saw the value of it… Or whatever he thinks i don’t know… He’s gotten better, but he’s shit… He should be one of the best, if he’s so skilled why not? Why is he not better? He’s stubborn… He’s not getting better… Why do you think Maclean put him on penalty kill at beginning of the year? so he would practice… Anyway, sorry about that… He sucks defensively, he shouldn’t, he’s not going to be good, therefore always a liability, too bad…

          • SensChirp

            You are ridiculous.

            Because a player is better at one part of the game than another, he’s not automatically a liability. You win hockey games by having the puck. Spezza does that as well as anyone on the roster.

            There are reasons to consider moving Spezza this summer including his need for a new contract in the near future. His health issues are also a major concern. But this idea that they should trade him because he’s better offensively than defensively is just….I dunno.

            You don like Jason. We get it. But your hatred for Spezza’s skill game clouds your ability to evaluate what he brings to the table when he’s healthy and producing.

          • runningbear1974

            I don’t hate Spezza, and i’m trying to stay objective…

            I’m saying Spezza and Phillips both, have coasted on their skills throughout their careers… Neither of them have won anything… And now, they are our leaders… Teaching what exactly…

            I don’t agree with you that because of injury that’s a good reason to trade someone… I think it has all to do with what you want your identity to be… I live among Boston, Toronto, Montreal fans, who are always making fun of Spezza…

            I can’t emphasize enough how much i enjoyed last year’s team…

          • SensChirp

            Yet would kill to have a point a game number one centre. Ask those Leaf and Hab fans what their “identity” is.

          • runningbear1974

            montreal = small, fast, smart
            toronto = not sure this year. last year they were scrappy

          • Doc

            Montreal = How did that work out for them last year?
            Toronto = So you have no idea. Scrappy doesn’t win you championships.

            And why would you want either of those identity? You’re basically saying that you don’t like Spezza because all your friends don’t like him.

          • runningbear1974

            ok… no… that’s not what i’m saying… i don’t want their identity… that’s stupid… i want detroit, or new jersey… those are the identity to build like…

          • Doc

            And one could argue that is what Ottawa is trying to do.

          • runningbear1974

            Yeah, we’re trying…. But, they’re identity is professionalism, work ethic, and 2 way play…

          • Doc

            I’m curious as to where this comes from. Please elaborate.

          • runningbear1974

            I’m not sure exactly why i think what i do…
            1) Detroit established their new identity with Yzerman and Bowman… They had the same team for a long time, and then started switching in guys that fit
            2) I hear talk about internal detroit culture… They have personal chefs that fly with them to make sure they get the right nutrients (not sure if this is true, but that’s what someone says)
            3) That’ it… Detroit has been able to stay competitive because of their Identy, that’s my conclusion…

          • Doc

            I agree that Detroit’s model is a good one to follow, so with MacLean on board I really think that’s the direction the Sens want to take.

            It won’t be easy or quick, but I’m willing to be patient if the end result is remotely similar.

          • runningbear1974

            I also think the reason Maclean is not successful this year is he’s trying to treat us as if we were professional, 2-way players… Detroit puts emphasis on their veterans… But their veterans are winners, 2-way players… They are the types of people you want leading… Spezza and Phillips are not winners, they are not what we want leading… They are bad examples of players who got in on pedigree and haven’t gotten much better… Neither of them have done what it takes to become great players…Both are 1-dimensional players…
            Maclean got shit on for putting Spezza on PK and Phillips on Powerplay… You should be able to trust your veterans, especially with such high pedigree…

          • runningbear1974

            and no… what i’m saying is that only sens fans are impressed with Spezza… No other fan is…

          • Doc

            That’s just BS. Spezza is a world class talent, and most team would love to have him on their roster.

            The fans that are not ‘impressed’ by Spezza, as you put it, are probably just jealous that they don’t have someone like him on their roster. Case in point: MTL.

            Now I’m not advocating re-signing him to a large contract for multiples years, I just think that most people that want him traded want it for the wrong reasons.

          • SensChirp

            Ding. Ding. Ding.

          • CUP 2014-15

            I would like to see Spezz stay and sign Hemsky, my concern is if Spezz would want to stay at this point. I don’t care who you are, when your so called fan base craps all over you every game, and year, it has to get to you at some point. The saving grace is that there are 29 other teams that will be happy to have number 19 and all his gaffs to go with his world class offence. He was a one man show in TB and when healthy can take over a game. How is his health today? pretty damn good from my point of view. How about Ryan, well obviously all those wackos that felt he was out of shape now know he has been playing hurt. It’s great to play on sites like this but nobody outside of the team knows what is going on with these guys. Look at Karls game since he came clean on his marriage, Alfie, Regin and Silfverberg. and that was a mental injury not physical.

          • Brutus5247

            Your right but Spezza about his skill but he has always been defensively irresponsible. Its just that this year when he’s on with Karlsson there are 2 of them. This really hurts when you are trading points for against and coming out in the negative. They are the best players with the most TOI then what do you expect.
            Last year More or less this same group of players( several out for the season) played a much better defensive game but had trouble scoring. Yet it was enough to get in the playoff. Can’t tell me it was all Alfie and Gonchar. Its the defensive liabilities and I’m certainly not talking about only dmen. Plus minus is a stat that shows that some players(along with other players on their line) are defensively deficient when compared to offensive production.Well Spezza/Michalyk/Karlsson have terrible plus/minus. It certainly isn’t the other two players or the goalie because the same goalie is on for everybody.

          • CUP 2014-15

            I will agree with you on Spezz being a liability on the D side but when he had wingers and were always a threat ( like the Turris line was this year) then teams play more cautious against him. When he’s playing with the Condra’s of our team, they just go after him with little regard to his wingers. Give him one winger like Hemsky and what happens, they start to back off and now he has space and time and becomes dangerous.

          • Brutus5247

            I think he has picked up his defensive game and that actually helps him get the puck.

          • CUP 2014-15

            Agree and his biggest problem early was missing camp due to injury in the first week and then gets to sit in the box almost every night ( much like PW now) and watch Corvo play. I am sure it took a bit of time for him to regain his confidence. Like you said, now that his D game has picked up, his confidence is higher.

          • Aaron 2.0

            Sorry, I feel the need to defend Montreal a bit here. Maybe bc my mom has cheered for them since she was a little girl, watching hockey w/ her dad. Last year the habs went into the playoffs extremely banged up. I’m glad they did. But, I wouldn’t use that one series to say they have an identity crisis.

          • CUP 2014-15

            Wait a minute, THEY WERE BANGED UP !!!!!!! Spezz, Karl at 50%, Milo, Cowen still not the same player.

          • Aaron 2.0

            Yeah, both teams really looked miserable on paper for that series. I just wouldn’t use one playoff series for a team that didn’t have many of their regulars to say they have an identity problem, that’s all. I’m not making excuses for them. Sens won fair and square. It was a great for me, and not for my dear mom! Unfortunately, not so much this year…

          • Brutus5247

            Well if they banged up before they were really banged up after.

          • Aaron 2.0

            LOL

          • runningbear1974

            I’m sorry if it upset you that i don’t like Spezza as the identity for ottawa… I think he fits with what we’ve established… I just felt last year we had a chance to change our identity… Now, if it feels like will have to wait 5 years….

          • Aaron 2.0

            No comment on Toronto. But, I don’t think the habs have an identity crisis. If anything, they seem to know who they are, and play to their strengths. My feeling has always been that they are perennial over-performers when you actually look at their roster. Which is to say, that team seems to know what they’re doing.

          • A-Train

            Are you kidding me?

            In Toronto Jason Spezza would be a “national” icon by now. And if you think Habs fans wouldn’t LOVE a player of Spezza’s style then you’ve never been to a game in Montreal.

            Some days i hope Spezza DOES say screw this and sign in a city where he can play for a mature and confident fanbase.

          • FistsofNeil25

            He’s probably going to pull an Alfie and skip town for a team that will be able to pay him what he wants and who presents a better chance of winning.

          • runningbear1974

            The fans here in Ottawa want Spezza too… At least it seems that way…
            The general fan base love the highlight reel guys… It’s the people who are more critical that have issues with some subtleties of play… Whether or not that style of play can lead to winning at a high competitive level… I think Spezza will get taken advantage of more often that the other way against tough competition in a series… Because he’s weak defensively, and he’s on the ice a lot…

          • Doc

            So is it a money issue? Would you be willing to keep him around at a fair price, or do you really want him gone at any cost?

          • runningbear1974

            It’s not the cost… It’s the ice time… And what he represents… If he doesn’t move the way the coach wants him to move… Then what do you do? I feel similarly about Fisher… Tons of good things to say about him, but he had some really bad things… Like bad decisions, bad puck distribution… Unfortunately for those things he couldn’t learn… So, live with the handicap or try someone else…
            I prefer someone less good, but more well rounded… That is my preference… I also hate the ottawa identity… Skilled but no grit…

          • Doc

            I think grit comes with confidence. We had tons of grit last year, but this year we are always in our zone and playing catch-up.

            We got enough gritty guys. We just need to play better in our system and keep the puck out of our zone.

          • runningbear1974

            Sure… I’m not sure how i got to ranting about Spezza… But, there’s no one that thinks he’s gritty… or good defensively…
            Also, Spezza’s speciality is not playing within a system… Spezza does what he does… The rest of the team has to adapt… Then he goes off the ice, then they can play their system, until he comes back on the ice, and now they must adjust, until he goes off the ice again…

          • SensChirp

            There is a team, located in his home town, that has been looking for a number one centre for years. Be careful what you wish for, Spezza haters.

          • runningbear1974

            I agree with this statement… I think Spezza would play his best games against us… Prove us wrong… Too bad, i do think trading people helps them improve their game, become more well rounded… Catch-22 it seems… But, on the other hand, I think we know how to shut down Spezza…
            I wonder… Who would have the advantage? Spezza knows us, and we know him? Who would be best able to use that advantage?

          • Doc

            Luckily they have nothing to offer us.

          • Captain Karl

            You obviously haven’t been reading the Toronto Sun lately. Let’s see, the goalie that brought them to the playoffs last year had his wife abused after a loss and Phaneuf and Kessel are copping it big time by the fans. Spezza would get roasted 5 times worse in Laffland

          • runningbear1974

            being good at offense is not why i’m saying spezza is a liability… Being bad at defense is why i say he’s a liability…
            I’m also saying he’s a 10 year veteran that has had plenty of time to practice, and he could be awesome defensively, if that’s something he would have chosen to become…

          • Miguel

            so by this I would assume if you are good at offence.. but lack the back checking and defensive capabilities then you are a liability and should be moved…. I am sure the Oilers of the 80′s wished they had you as their GM.

          • runningbear1974

            I’m not sure what you’re saying… But, it’s a different era now… People workout and eat healthy, there’s no smoking…

            I’ll put my money on the guys who work hard, and practice, and get better… That’s what i want to support…

          • SensChirp

            A team full of Colin Greening’s

          • runningbear1974

            no, he’s slow thinker… I like quick thinkers like Turris…
            Also, he hasn’t gotten better, which implies he’s not practicing…

          • Doc

            Ha! That made me laugh out loud for real, only because I pictured 5 Greenings running around the ice.

          • runningbear1974

            You know it would be close… Team full of Spezzas versus team full of Greenings…

          • Brutus5247

            This would be hilarious! Five spezzas standing in front of the goal in their opponents end without the puck and five Greenings with the puck in the offensive, losing it, missing passes, hitting posts until the goalie ices it , which is when the Spezzas change and the 5 Condras come on.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Nah Colin Greening works hard and may practice hard but he sure as hell doesn’t get better lol

          • runningbear1974

            I see the highlights, i see his skill… But, I think it’s the other way…
            I think you seeing the highlights makes you excuse his defensive play, which i think he feels the same way… I admit, he’s improved quite a bit, but he’s still horrible, the worst on the team…

        • Aaron 2.0

          I think it’s a fair point. I’d say it’s more accurate to say that you can’t ever teach skill, but usually you can teach / improve a player’s defensive habits. Even so, you can understand why the price increases so steeply for skill. You either have it or you don’t!

      • runningbear1974

        Skilled often equals:=
        - bad defensively
        - inconsistent effort
        - stubborn, non-cooperative play

        • Colin

          Bullshit! Your anti-Spezza crap is really getting old. Same broken record whining 5 times a day, 7 days a week.

          • runningbear1974

            This comment is not pertaining to Spezza…

    • A-Train

      The reason is that value is determined by the rarity of your skills. A playmaker or goal scorer is a rarer breed, and thus more valued.

    • Harv

      No, you are not alone. The only reason to sign Hemsky is if they decide to resign Spezza. If they sign both then adding Stone to their line next year looks like a good idea or Hoffman. Hoffman would bring a ton of speed and could back check and make up for the lazy play of Spezza. First line of MacArthur (a must signing), Turris (give him an A to wear) and Ryan (yes, resign him if possible) would be a strong first line. Z’Bad, Stone or Hoffman and Lazar would give us a third line with speed, size and scoring; fourth would be Smith, Neil and Condra (if he is still here) and they have to get limited minutes – like 7. Can substitute Greening for Condra but you lose Condra’s defensive play. Keep some toughness and a defensive specialist. Pageau in the booth.

      Defence would be Karlson and Methot; Ceci and Boro; Cowen and Wiercoch with Phillips in the booth.

      Lehner #1 and Anderson #2.

      • sprucesens

        love the ideas here, but not likely to get most of them. here’s to hoping though!

        • Harv

          I think if management makes a case a lot of these guys would sign on. The potential for this team is pretty high when you see what is happening in Bingo. I couldn’t even find a place for DaCosta but he has really impressed in many ways. Maybe he is a Smith replacement?

      • Sensnation

        Boro over Gryba? Spezza’s lazy play? lol, oh boy

        • Harv

          Lazy play on the back check. That is all I accuse him of being lazy about. He coasts back. I thought of Gryba instead of Cowen but decided on Cowen. I like Boro’s play.

          • Sensnation

            Gryba instead of Cowen? Come on man, oh boy. I don’t even know where to start, you need to watch more hockey as neither of these two are worth sitting or trading to put Boro in. I’ll say it again, Boro is a fringe NHLer and will be lucky to have a career along the lines of what Carkner did.

          • boom

            Yesterday you expressed disbelief that anyone would think Wiercioch is better than Cowen, and now you make fun of someone who thinks Gryba is comparable to him.

            I would wager that the Senchirp “community” is split down the middle with both comparisions. Cowen has had an awful year, whether you want to admit it or not.

            Now, he may turn out to be better than both of the afore-mentioned players, but how about you quit with your condescending attitude and accept the fact that we’re all entitled to our opinion?

          • Miguel

            I’ll go one further, how about the notion that the way Cowen is playing right now, Boro and Claessen are both better than Cowen let alone Gyrba and PW46!
            heck it can be argued that Carkner is even better!

          • CUP 2014-15

            LOL, if not for Cowen and Gryba our PK would have given up a ton of goals in the last seven games. Besides this do you really think Cleasson is an NHL player now or in two or three years. Boro has been below average since being sent back down and that’s an improvement on being down right awful as he was a couple of months ago. Love how fans have no respect for a stay at home Dman like Gryba. For a Defensman on this team to be a +7 and carry his corsi numbers, I have to wonder what he needs to do to earn any respect from this fan base.

          • Sensnation

            Great points Cup! I will be honest I used to think Gryba would max out as a 6/7, but he has really improved his puck control and is understanding the structure of the system now so he knows where to look to pass the puck to. His growth is really one of the great stories from this year and his on-ice confidence with more minutes has really allowed his game to evolve. Definitely someone I’m happy to have in the top 6!

          • CUP 2014-15

            Fact is he will likely never be a top 4 guy ( obvious, I know ). But he skates well for a big man, cleans out the front of the net, rarely looses a battle for the puck. Has been our best penalty killer by far. He will never be Karl, CC or even PW with the puck but that’s not his concern. He’s your typical off the glass and out when there isn’t a clear easy pass to make.

          • Sensnation

            Exactly and we need a couple of those to round out the skill. If the chemistry with Cowen can turn them into a 2nd or 3rd pairing shutdown pair along with the Turris or Smyth lines, then Karlsson and Spezza lines can play offensive minutes mainly. Things are coming together!

          • CUP 2014-15

            Well we sure think along the same lines in regards to building a team. You need D that can skate and shoot and D that can, well….play D. You need shooters but you need centres to get them the puck and therefore need someone to work the corners. Too many fans want flash and dash from 18 skaters.

          • Brutus5247

            I think a lot of it is forward support. When the forwards support the d good things happen…you get out of your own zone.

          • Brutus5247

            I think a trade to a good team would do him good. He has good numbers on a shitty team.

          • CUP 2014-15

            I am sure Edmonton or Toronto would like to have him right now, before he even hits the 90 game mark in his career.

          • FistsofNeil25

            I wish they had given Phillips’ contract to Gryba and let Phillips walk away. I think he’s been our best defenceman this year other than Karlsson and Methot. In fact his performance this season has been pretty much on par with Methot.

            I just don’t know where Gryba fits in long term. If it were up to me, he would be a lock to return next season but that Phillips contract really crowds things. In a perfect world, we would re-sign Gryba and get rid of Phillips and Wiercioch, while adding a top 4 dman to play with Karlsson.

            Trade/Signing-Karlsson
            Methot-Ceci
            Cowen-Gryba

            Whoever we pick up to slot in next to Karlsson would ideally be able to play the powerplay as well.

          • CUP 2014-15

            Too many guys on the left side. MM, JC, PW, CP and Boro and we have already seen that PW and JC CAN NOT play the right side.

          • Sensnation

            Actually if you’re watching the games you should clearly see Cowen is playing really well and has been one of our better players since he was paired with Gryba. It’s sad you still say shit like this even when it’s not close to being true. Miguel you hate Cowen and will never give him a fair shake, shitty thing for you is he’s a core player to this team.

          • Jacques

            Not sure what you’re watching probably reruns from last year!

          • Jacques

            Agree Cowen is not very good right now! I like Gryba’s game much better than Cowen’s. With the emergence of Claessen who plays a good game and can skate The Puck out, Cowen would be a trading chip to improve the Team. Let’s not wait till he’s Another Ryan O’Byrne.

          • Jacques

            And he doesn’t really pick up his man in the D zone he waits for the puck to squirt out! no fight on the boards either! that is what hurts the team when spezza is In the D zone!

      • A-Train

        Please, no Lazar next season. If he’s really as good as we think he will be better off breaking into the NHL when he’s bigger and knows the game better. It’ll also help to have a more experienced team around him when he gets here.

        • Harv

          Good argument. I put him in there because of the general feeling that he would make the team next year, If no Lazar we may be stuck with Greening and Condra. That could work if the coaches use them right.

        • puckoff

          Good points. Is Lazar old enough to be sent to Bingo?

          • A-Train

            There’s been some discussion about what the next season options are for him if he’s not in the NHL. Feel like it was talked about on an earlier thread but I’m not sure I’ve heard a clear answer here or anywhere else.

          • puckoff

            I just looked him up. Lazar is 19. He turns 20 in Feb. I believe that a player has to be 21 to play in the AHL, but I could be wrong

            That would mean another season in juniors, or playing with the Sens

          • MB

            Think that might be for European players who are not required to play in the CHL… could be wrong though. I believe players are also allowed to play if their teams are out of the playoffs. I do know Lazar has to go back to Edmonton next year if his team is playing because he still has 1 year of eligibility left.

          • puckoff

            You could be right. I remember someone telling me before that a player had to be 21. Maybe it is because of the CHL factor.

          • MB

            I think if you are under 20 and haven’t played all 4 years in the CHL you have to go back to the CHL to finish #4. If you are say McDavid (won’t see a day in the AHL) and you played your 15, 16, 17, and 18 year old years in the CHL then you are can move to the AHL.

            If you are an import I don’t believe these rules apply.

            Either way Lazar is either playing in the NHL or WHL and I don’t think the Sens want him playing in the WHL anymore.

          • puckoff

            Yep, there comes a point where a player isn’t being challenged enough to raise his game. I haven’t seen Curtis play in the juniors, but his stats indicate that he is dominating.

            It looks like he needs a higher level of competition. In 58 games he has 76 points and he is a +41

          • MB

            Stats don’t even show the offense he gives up to play 200 feet. They couldn’t have drafted a more perfect player in terms of what they need right now. IMO Lazar puts Zibanejad’s spot in question being at this point the 3rd line, RH center.

          • Doc

            If I was a betting man, I’d wage that Lazar is place as a RW. He already plays both position and from all accounts the brass want to keep Zibby at Center.

            The idea of having a third line of Hoffman-Zibby-Lazar makes me giddy like a school girl.

          • sprucesens

            that line looks amazing! Similar to what I’ve wanted for a while, and am excited for in the future. both zib and lazar can play center or wing if need be. If that’s our third line, then we will have a solid chance at being a contender, assuming D and goalie fixes their faults as well

          • Doc

            Yup, would make 3 good scoring lines. I really hope they keep Hoffman and Zibby together as a duo. They are really fun to watch already. Adding Lazar would only make it even more awesome.

          • MB

            I think that’s a pretty decent guess for sure. That said I would not be surprised to see Zibanejad moved in a package in the off season for say a guy like… O’Reilly. Might just be hope on my part but Ottawa has inquired about O’Reilly on a fairly regular basis now starting with his holdout last year and this year at the deadline.

          • sprucesens

            isn’t o reilly a center as well? would this not change a single problem, other than giving up cheaper prospects and depth for an expensive slight upgrade? I’d sooner keep zib as he has done nothing but good since he’s been here. I’ve never once said, damn zib is on the ice, or damn, what a terrible play zib, or hustle back zib, because he is always doing the right thing.

          • MB

            How many LH centers does Ottawa have? 1. How many in the system? None. Spezza, Turris, Zibanejad, Da Cotsa, Pageau, Lazar all RH. There’s a reason Smith is out there all the time.

          • Jacques

            Unfortunately.

          • Doc

            Interesting.

            I might be biased, but I’m really liking Zibby’s game. I think he has all the tools to be a very good player for the Sens. The kid’s a beast already and should be fun to watch him develop.

            Now, if we could manage to grab O’Reilly AND keep Zibby….

          • MB

            If the Sens grab O’Reilly is going to cost a ton and if you can nail down a guy like 23 year old O’Reilly you do it at pretty much any cost other than perhaps next years 1st rounder and the obvious which I won’t state.

            O’Reilly is what you hope Zibanejad becomes but he will never be a LH shot. Wouldn’t be surprised if it was something like Wiercioch (they need more depth on D) Zibanejad, and a 2nd next year for O’Reilly if it ever happened.

          • Doc

            I might be tempted with that package.

            But damn it, I would miss Zibby a lot.

          • Zelle

            Zbad is ok, I mean he was pretty invisible last night… haha.

          • MB

            WHL or NHL, AHL is not an option.

            Disagree with Lazar not being in Ottawa as well. He’s going to get 9 games min.

      • puckoff

        I agree with much of what you said. However, if Ryan is not resigned, it would not surprise me to see Stone with Mac and Turris next season.

        I thought Stone had a very strong game playing Mac and Turris. It would not surprise me to also see DaCosta make the Sens next season. He played very well for them when he was up.

        Claesson and Widemen both have a good shot aat making the Sens defence next season. Claesson is a + 38. Inspite of all the callups to the Sens, his plus keeps increasing. In Dec he was a + 28

    • sprucesens

      MacA signed for cheaper because the leaf’s treated him like crap, and misused him. If he continues his play until his contract is up, he’ll likely get a raise to 4-5 mill.

  • FistsofNeil25

    So with Anderson back and healthy enough to play in either the Tampa or Florida game, Maclean decided to still stick with Lehner for both starts. Looks like Murray and Maclean want to see what Lehner can do here in the final 10 games before officially handing him the starting job for next season.

    It’s time for the Sens to give Lehner the starting job. Not because he’s better than Anderson, but because he won’t become better by rotting on the bench for another season. I like Lehner a lot. I’ve had the belief since he was drafted that he was going to become the first real franchise goaltender the Sens have ever had. To be honest though, the state of his game right now is scary. The good thing is, the only way for him to improve is by playing through it.

    I don’t know if Lehner will emerge as a legitimate starter as soon as next year or not so my expectations will be kept in check, but I really want to see what he’s made of. Anderson can still be a starter somewhere so I expect him to be traded.

    • Miguel

      i find this a very scary propostion.
      Lehner as good as his potential may be, has really proven to crack under the undo pressures of a bad Defensive team, and under the pressures of winning.
      He has not reacted well at all.
      To my point last year, when all was good and we had to solid goalies in front of him, he could play the odd game and be a star,
      however when it comes to the crunch of making the playoffs, he rallied 6 straight losses, essentially taking us out of the playoff hunt.
      Anderson is clearly the better goalie right now, and perhaps with this soft D we should continue to keep Andy as the starter until Lehner is more prepared and mature.
      Rask did it for 2-3 years in Boston, and now look at him.

  • boom

    Just an observation: Most of the posters to this site have our personal biases around specific players on the Sens. It’s not so much whether we like or dislike them, it’s more that we think there are better options available.

    I, for one, think we can do better than Eric Condra and Colin Greening.

    I know that Tookie thinks Cowen should be on the bench more than on the ice.

    I could go on, but I want to get to my point.

    While we continue to have our opinions on these players, and others, we (and most posters) don’t feel it’s neccessary to hammer our point home by mentioning our opinions every time we post.

    For those of you who insist in repeating yourselves every time you post, why don’t you just change your profile name to reflect your opinion?
    (eg: Spezzasnogoodandneverwillbe…andiwishihadhalfthatalent)

    That way, the rest of us won’t have to waste our time by re-reading the same gibberish every few minutes.

    Tookie, sorry for dragging you into my rant, but I needed the support…:)

  • sprucesens

    for all those people that love to use +/- chirp retweeted an excellent graph on the side. It shows all the top defenceman. If you look at all the players +/- is a damn near direct effect of how the team does. Every single top end +/- player is on teams like boston, Pittsburgh, st. Louis and Anaheim. Crazy how that works! Then there is the guys on perimeter teams, like Washington, sens, phx, Nashville, Winnipeg…. they are all minus players. STRANGE again.
    Byfuglien, Yandle, weber, josi, green are all names that are high up in scoring and have negative values. I’m sure most of us would love these players. And most would argue they are good defensively, for the most part. So for all those that use +/- as a defining characteristic of how a player is defensively, please stop. Its represents how the TEAM is doing, and almost directly correlates to TOI. If your team sucks, and you happen to be on more often than not, you will be a minus player. If your team is winning and stacked, and you are on the ice a lot, you will be +.

    • Miguel

      fair enough, how about the fact that almost always when a bad goal is scored against us, it is the same usual suspects that a) miss their man b) cant get to a reboun c) opposition is always going to their side etc.
      Yes all those points are great arguments, however it does not change the fact that some of our minus players are in fact not very good defensively.

      • boom

        I think you are both right – the best way to look at a players plus-minus is relative to the rest of his team.

        • sprucesens

          that’s my point exactly. But even then, take it with a grain of salt.

        • Brutus5247

          Not really. it is relative to your linemates. It has nothing to do with the guys on the bench.

      • sprucesens

        yes, sometimes – players do suck. But sometimes plus players do to. And sometimes – players are actually good, just on a terrible team. It can be a somewhat usefull tool, but saying a player is bad defensively because his +/- is bad, is just not a valid argument. Watching the game, and seeing things like you said, constant defensive lapses from the same guys (Phillips, cowen, hell our whole D core this year) is a much better indicator.

    • Aaron 2.0

      I generally agree with you. Looking at +/- in isolation of other stats is only worth so much. I wouldn’t say there is nothing to +/-, but any analysis based on only one statistic has limited worth.

      I would still point out that Karlsson is the worse in this category for a Sens D. There’s probably all kinds of reasons for this, including TOI. But, still, I don’t think his +/- is totally wrong about his defense this year. I think the interview that came out a few days ago is telling. He’s still recovering from injury, and consequently fatigue is an issue. I’d argue offensively he is close to pre-injury, but probably not defensively. If he’s taking the same number of offensive chances, but doesn’t quite have as much left in the tank (compared to previous seasons), it makes sense to me why he’s struggled a little bit defensively. He relies a lot on defensive recovery in order to take more offensive chances.

      All this to say, I agree +/- isn’t great. But, in Karlsson’s case I think you could probably say half of his rating is on him, and half is on terrible team circumstances.

  • John Q. Spartan

    Someone explain why this goal counts, and Colin Greenings vs. Montreal did not. Thanks.

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nhl/2014/03/25/atkinsons-disputed-goal-stands-in-4-2-cbj-win/6896525/

    • John Q. Spartan
    • FistsofNeil25

      Because Colin Greening is terrible at hockey. The rest is irrelevant.

      • boom

        Funny. Harsh, but funny….

      • Miguel

        its ok we only have him for 4 more years… and CP4 for 2 more…whereas TO will buy out Clarkson this year…. freakin sucks!

        • Jacques

          Not sure who’s worst of truly!

        • CUP 2014-15

          Cant buy out Clarkson and he has a NMC, so no trip to the A

          • FistsofNeil25

            As far as I know the Leafs used both their compliance buyouts on Komisarek and Grabovski, They can still buy him out but not without penalty.

          • CUP 2014-15

            correct, but I can’t see anyone buying out that contract after only one year, not even the blue team, unless they had done the right think and kept Grabo. and then they could use the compliance buyout and maintain their cap space. Either way that number is over their heads for 6 years.

          • FistsofNeil25

            I love it lol

          • Hax

            Haha – you think if they approach him and say “hey, want a butt-load of money to go be a UFA again?” he’s gonna say no?

    • Zelle

      In my opinion the right call was made there and the bad call was made versus Montreal. Why should the scoring team be punished for being pushed into the net, and why should the offending team be rewarded for what is considered a delay of game penalty.

      Edit: I believe this section of Fraser’s post was why they awarded no goal on Greening.
      “Rule 63.6—In the event that the goal post is displaced, either deliberately or accidentally, by a defending player, prior to the puck crossing the goal line between the normal position of the goalposts, the Referee may award a goal.

      In order to award a goal in this situation, the goal post must have been displaced by the actions of a defending player, the puck must have been shot (or the player must be in the act of shooting) at the goal prior to the goal post being displaced, and it must be determined that the puck would have entered the net between the normal position of the goal posts.”

      Whether you agree with the reasoning or not, I believe they called that Greening did not shoot the puck before the net was dislodged.

      • John Q. Spartan

        The Atkinson goal was shot in after the net came off. In fact puck went in much later than the Greening goal, which was pretty much a bang-bang play. Both situations (ie. Net coming off) were “caused” by the defending player, but the attacking player physically took the net off.

  • MoeDozer

    off topic but man am i glad we dont have any embarrassing players that have reputations for being dirty etc.

    a twitter trend started by the penguins with #AskNeal quickly backfired thanks to Flyers fans

    http://www.crossingbroad.com/2014/03/the-penguins-askneal-twitter-hashtag-went-horribly-wrong.html

    • spezzerman

      Ha! that’s great stuff right there.

  • Sensnation

    Most Improved Player: Marc Methot?

    Already a career year in goals, points and shots, and tied for career high in assists. Decent +/- too.

    In what started out as an up and down season for him, has he improved that much this year or is it simply a result of playing with Karlsson more in the 2nd half? Hard to ignore MacArthur and Gryba as well. Who else?

    • Simple Jack

      Methot got screwed at the beginning of the season, separated from karlsson to help plug the leaky holes our young d brought to the table. his move by the coach pretty much buried his chances on team Canada. we thank mark for his loyalty to this team and still has been a good leader in trying times of this young team.

      i wonder what our team average age was last night without Philips and how it ranked among the league as the youngest team.

    • A-Train

      Hm. Controversial choice is my first reaction, but the stats don’t lie. Gryba would have to be the second choice. I don’t really count MacArthur as he was on a different team in a different role last season.

  • Brutus5247

    I was happy to see Patty in last night. He gave us what he always does. Good vision, good offensive plays, and so so defence. I really hope that he stays in to get a chance to prove to the team that he belongs here. I think, as it is, he may be the odd man out along with Boro. I don’t know what is going to happen with Boro because I don’t think he replaces Cowen, Wiercioch, Gryba or Ceci. Yes, he is scrappy but so is Kassian and we know how important he is to the overall success of the team. It is really what you can offer when you are on the ice. Toughness is simply a small intangible and penalties actually hurt the team more often than not.(Chris Neil).

    • CUP 2014-15

      Well Brutus, Boro is another lefty so its pretty stacked on that side but if CP was number 7 as he should be and PW gets moved then he could find himself back with Gryba as they were in Bingo and Cowen could move back into the top 4 spot but that’s a lot of maybes and Boro has to get his game back together.

      • Simple Jack

        i still think Gryba>Cowen and plays more like chara than JC2.
        Always tough on puck, gets hard shots on net and doesn’t wander around like karlsson, a true stay at home d man and with only 80 NHL games played with an inconsistent playing schedule. A +7 on a team with horrible Goals against.

        i would keep gryba and trade pw46 and JC2, we need a decent vet who’s a stay at homer to play with the next rook we have up next season.

        the return for both d men who be considerable, less gamble than a kid w/o NHL experience.

        we still have lots of young d men coming up in the future.

        • CUP 2014-15

          I think along the same lines but so many fans don’t like Gryba
          , to the point that early in the year when his corsi was the best on the team all you heard was, too small of a sample size. Bloggers such as Yost and Sixthsens were going on about him not being any more then an average AHL defenseman. Now that he has almost 50 games in his corsi is still ignored and his +7 is looked at as it not being a reliable stat and that coming from the same writers that go on about the Turris line all being in the plus. It’s laughable at times when someone gets a hate on for a player.

          • A-Train

            Stats don’t lie, but people…..

          • CUP 2014-15

            no kidding, some people don’t want a player unless he’s that fun and sexy high risk guy that makes you feel like your on a rollercoaster.

          • Brutus5247

            I like Gryba seems to be a down to earth guy. I think that you are right some of the less than knowledgable fans like the flash, the EK65 and the PW46. Yost and his buddy Sens Abdul and may other ragged on this kid forever. My guess is that they think that stats make the player. In reality it just makes stupid fans seem more stupid because they don’t know the complexity of the game. They rely on stats..oh a turnover, a goal against etc. They don’t understand that defence is an integral part of the game. I hope for the team that they keep him but I hope for the kid that he goes somewhere else that will pay him what he’s worth. If you look at his stats he is quite impressive but on the ice he’s just steady almost invisible.

          • CUP 2014-15

            LOL, I met him last year, did the normal “good game man” his response… Thanks but I like to not be noticed that way I know I didn’t mess up. something along those lines. He sure did seem like a good guy, humble and very privileged to have the opportunity.

          • Zelle

            I like Gryba. I was disappointed he was suspended in the playoffs last year. Luckily it didn’t affect his game too much.

            Edit: Just wanted to add that I’m a huge fan of the Methot – Gryba pairing.

          • Brutus5247

            I think it did at the beginning. He was holding back on the hits and I think that is why he sat. That being said playing Corvo wasn’t a really good developmental move for the young D.

        • FistsofNeil25

          Gryba is better than Cowen right now. It isn’t even close. Cowen has a higher ceiling though. The good thing is we don’t have to get rid of either one of them, nor should we.

          If you want to be a cup contender in this league you need depth on the blueline and a solid shut down tandem. If Cowen reaches his potential, him and Gryba could be the shutdown pairing we need.

          We just need a upgrade in the top 4 and we’ll be set.

          • Brutus5247

            I’d like to see
            UFA (Solid 2 way guy)./Karlsson
            Methot/Gryba
            Cowen Ceci
            Wiercioch(if he bulks up)
            Boro ??? Just don’t see the room.
            Phillips traded(likely won’t happen)

            Gryba and Methot play so well together.

        • Jacques

          I agree Jack! Claessen is coming, another solid left handed D man! Gryba is the Sens version of Johnny Boychuk a beast, and he’s only getting better! Patty 46 and Cowen are trade fodder!

      • Brutus5247

        Kind of feel for Boro. Game of contracts. No room at the inn and almost no room in the city. Bottom line he’s on a 1 way so he’ll get at least 1 year of NHL dollars which takes most of us 6 to 8 years to make. I think he and PW maybe moved but neither are going to be easy since one hasn’t stuck in the show and the other has played somewhat inconsistently.

  • luckan20

    Anything like $5M cap hit for 4 years will be a good signing for Hemsky. He has only scored 20+ goals for two season, which is again in the way past.

    • Captain Karl

      Hey good to see you over here too Buddy.
      Signed,
      Your Aussie Friend

  • Brutus5247

    I don’t think we should be giving up on Cowen too soon. Yes he has struggled but remember he was playing with EK and there is not a dman in the league that would be harder to play with and have good defensive stats. Secondly the team defence was attrocious and only a couple of lines hustled back in support. On a goal I always look for missed coverage and more often than not(except EK) it is a lazy forward who misses a late man on a rebound etc.

    • luckan20

      Agree.

    • Jacques

      When Karlsson goes, a forward has to be on the ball to get back and it never happens, where is the coaching or hockey sense.

    • Captain Karl

      Cowen must go or no playoffs again next year

  • Brutus5247

    Just did a quick Behind the Net search on Gryba

    Corsi QOC- 35th in NHL Dmen

    Penalties drawn- 5th NHLDmen

    Points per 60min- 32nd NHL Dmen

    On ice goals against- 32nd lowest NHL Dmen

    Offensive zone starts 15th lowest in NHL Dmen

    Offensive zone finsih – 66th in NHL Dmen Dmen

    I would say that with about 200 Dmen in the NHL that this guy may have other teams that could use him. If he goes to arbirtration we could lose him as we know that Melnyk is tight with his dollars and he’s already blown the wad on Cowen/Wiercioch/Phillips.

    • Jacques

      You sign Gryba, this guy is a beast. Hell alone last year in the AHL on a team that was stripped of its better players he was in the top 3 in plus minus before the Sens finally woke up and called him up! A solid stay at home D man, who skates circles around lead foot Holdout Cowen!

      • Michenator

        Gryba should be Phillips’ replacement.

        Karlsson – Methot
        Ceci – Cowen
        Wiercioch – Gryba
        Phillips

        I hope for that next year.

        • xN1Cx

          I like this – unless of course we bring in another vet D man (don’t see it happening)

        • PraiseAlfie11

          Karlsson – markov
          Ceci-methot
          PW – cowen
          Gryba/boro/phillips

          • Brutus5247

            You’d play Wiercioch/Cowen instead of Gryba? Did you just smoke a fattie?

        • Captain Karl

          Karlsson- Methot
          Oliver Ekman Larsson- Ceci
          Gryba- Claesson
          Phillips

  • Jordan

    Sucks that phillips is pretty much a guarantee to make the lineup next year. I honestly think we would be better off with one of our young guys taking his spot.

    • Zelle

      I still think the signing is not a complete disaster. If they keep his minutes low and be careful not to put him up against the opponent’s top offensive lines he can still be useful. We do need a better “Veteran” D though, if that’s what they want. Too many young guys and we might use them up before their prime.

      • Brutus5247

        These guys are pro athletes and they won’t get used up. They will benefit from the experience, good and bad. Kind of like Cowen. Sucked at the beginning but is starting to find his way. Hopefully PW can find the level of defence to keep him here. With Phillips signing that has really put a log across Boro’s path.

    • SENSsmile

      I remain hopeful that Phillips’ contract could be completely overhauled next year, so that his two years as a player be converted into a long-term contract in another capacity for the Sens’ organization. I don’t know: part-time player and mentor?Charities and special events? A combination of both?

  • Floridasensfan

    I think signing Hemsky is a good thing,
    Was at the game, Hoffman can really fly.
    Cheap tickets in Florida 98.00 for front row, pretty cool to be that close, first time.
    Met a Sens fan at the concession (lady) that was at the Tampa and Sunrise game from Canada, said they do it every year.
    We got some good go sens go going in our section a few times, even though we were smaller in numbers it was way louder than the Panther fans when they did their cheer.
    Was in the panthers end, Luongo was lights out and made some amazing saves, only reason it was close.
    Hard to be critical of the players that close up, they all play hard.
    Lots of the fumbles are the puck spinning and bouncing, you don’t see that on TV or up further in the stands.
    Fun night

  • KingKarlsson84 – RSU is pathet

    The Sens are essentially replacing Michalek with Hemsky….I am totally fine with that, because even if Hemsky gets injured, he’ll still manage to get more points than Michalek somehow…

  • MethotToMyMadness

    Ok, so we all somewhat figured the Sens would look to resign Hemsky. Heads would roll if they didn’t at least report this was happening. Get it done BM!!

    But the big question, what will happen with Michalek? I idea is that Hemsky’s cap hit (when signed) would basically be a wash for what we were paying 9MM. And that may still be true, as BM may try swapping him for a pick or two at the draft, trying to makeup a little for what we lost when we acquired Hemsky. But what if the Sens get him to sign a very good deal, that is very cap friendly? Think about it, would you have a problem seeing him stay, or would you all rather see the Sens part ways with him now?

    • Brutus5247

      How do we get a pick if he is an UFA at the end of the season/draft? Why would people pay us to sign someone not under contract?
      Not sure what we lost with Hemsky since they kept half his salary. Did we lose a late pick?

      • MethotToMyMadness

        We gave up two picks. And I know, most teams won’t move a pick if he’s UFA, but you never know. Maybe BM can work some magic.

  • MethotToMyMadness

    If I had to compare Cowen to another top prospect in the NHL, it would be Hedman. Some would argue that he’s not in the same category at all, but I disagree. The expectation level of a 2nd overall that followed Hedman in Tampa, is similar to what a 9th overall in Ottawa would feel. Hell, Cowen could have been a 30th overall and he would still have a ton of expectations. And you have to remember, Cowen was highly sought after originally until he suffered his first big injury and that lowered his status in the draft. Ottawa selecting him, was called a gamble because some didn’t think he’d recover and be back to what he was like in junior.

    Looking at both guys early on, they played a similar game and the numbers were close as well. Both big, but don’t play big and try to be more offensive. The size factor seems to be a battle with both of them, when they should just play a stay at home physical game first and worry about production later.

    Hedman didn’t enter the league on a super high note, everyone who expected some magical production didn’t see it. He had a respectable 20 points in 74 games his rookie season. And had basically an injury free start, with 79 games in his second with 26 points. Cowen, 17 points in his 82 game rookie year, more than likely could have matched his rookie year the next, or increased those numbers if it wasn’t for a major season ending injury. We all know where he is today.

    Fast forward 5 years, and Hedman is now finally showing a little of what he was expected to show. 65 games, 47 points, 11 on the PP and a +6. I guess what I’m saying is, we need to let Cowen grow and develop into the guy he can be. We are pushing too hard for results, but D take longer to grow and mature. Let’s not ship this guy out, only to see him blossom on another team, because THAT is what will happen.

    • FistsofNeil25

      We all know that defensemen require more time to develop. It would be absolutely foolish to give up on Cowen so early in his career. This is really only his second full season in the NHL and he’s only 23. He has a long way to go to reach his potential but the tools are all there, he just has to put it all together.

      The only thing that worries me about Cowen’s game is that he’s clearly mentally struggling. A lot of his problems this season have been because of a lack of awareness. He often misses his assignment and his defensive positioning has been poor. He likes to chase guys down and play overly physical instead of relying on his positioning. These issues will hopefully all get fixed with experience and growing confidence.

      I think the reason why fans have been so hard on Cowen this season is because of his contract hold out during training camp. He missed the majority of last season and was unable to train properly this summer because he was still rehabbing his injury. It should have been a priority of his to attend a full training camp in September rather than holding out for a contract that he didn’t deserve.

    • Senator-Stanley

      The interesting thing about trading for a free agent is that everybody now has those few days before the free agent deadline to negotiate a new deal with multiple teams.
      Why would any player not opt to take that opportunity to figure out where they would like to play and for how much.
      Also try and create a culture where you have multiple teams vying for your services.
      I’m not sure many players will get traded for that exclusive window any more.

    • Miguel

      coming from a guy, that had stated on here during his first year as a Sen,
      “Cowen may win the Norris one year” and ” is better than Chara was at the same age” I have completely lost faith in Cowen. He seemed to have nicely rebounded after the knee injury, however the hip surgery, seems to have hindered him in a way that he cannot recover from.
      It tells me that he had excellent mobility for a larger man before the injury, and b/c of this could easily make up for recovering from lost space, however now one ince the wrong way, and he is nowhere to be found and cannot recover the space, and leaves his coverage wide open.
      To me I would have pulled him out to work on strengthening the injury, instead of force playing him, and hindering his development.
      I fear he may be damaged goods… not popular, but cannot argue he is always way out of position, causing many goals against

  • whammer44

    I’m always fascinated by the Spezza bashing that goes on. Reminds me of the Alfie bashing of a few years back. Bottom line consistent point a game centers are rare. Spezza is looking healthy, playing with some consistent wingers in a role that he is designed for and as a result he looks good. I hope they get the deal for Hemsky done and keep him with Spez. With Hemsky on his line I can see 30+ goals for Spezza next season.

    • Hax

      I’m a Spezza defender (no shock there) but I still expect more. The entire team has good offensive numbers but that’s not our problem this year. Last year we were the best defensive team in the East – partly due to our goal tending sure. This year it seems the entire team has over-corrected our lack of goals last year and/or assumed our defensive game will take care of itself.

      For Spezza, I’d love to see him (and Karlsson) be more selective about when they focus 99% on offense. I think both these guys are capable of being excellent defensive players (skill is skill) but only if they commit to it. I could care less if Spezza gets 100 points – I only care about the team winning.

  • Hax

    There is PLENTY of talent on this team and within the org in general. From this point forward the focus for Murray and MacLean should be entirely on character. If Ryan’s hernia is the only thing that kept him from being even more awesome this year (i.e. he’s not “lazy” or “unhappy”) then let’s resign him after July 1st. If Spezza is truly committed to winning a cup and leading this team then resign him too. If anyone is actually selfish or looking at the exit etc as gets rumored a lot, send that guy packing. Don’t care who it is. Even if it’s Karlsson I’d rather see a guy traded now than hold on to someone who’s not 100% on board with the rest of the team.

    • Senator-Stanley

      Be careful what you wish for sometimes.
      Don’t want to look to far into Karlssons interview with the Swedish press but if I’m him I’m out of Ottawa after my contract is up.
      They took his 3 best friends on the team “Alfie, Regin and Silfverberg” and either traded or let them walk. The team also let Alfie leave with bad blood.

      What example are you setting to future players or current players about this team and it’s internal budget.
      Look I’m a business man and I get the Internal budget and business decisions that have to be made. I don’t think it’s a bad thing that were not spending to the cap right now as I don’t think we are a contender. We would all love to spend to the cap. It’s not our money.

  • SensChirp