Senators Not Good Enough in Tampa Bay

SensChirp December 5, 2013 174
Senators Not Good Enough in Tampa Bay

On the heels of a solid effort against the Florida Panthers, the Senators were hoping to do something they haven’t done in almost a month and string a couple wins together.

Consistency has been a huge issue for the Senators through the first 29 games of the season and the whole win one/lose one routine is not going to be enough to close the gap in the Eastern Conference.  The win against the Panthers was nice but only really mattered if they could follow that up with another solid performance in Tampa Bay.  Instead, Martin St. Louis scored twice, leading the Lightning to a 3-1 win over the Senators.

It was another disappointing loss for Paul MacLean’s team.  Despite holding a pretty big advantage in shots, there really didn’t seem to be much in the way of quality chances.  Every time it looks like this team is about to turn a corner, they come out with another effort like the one we saw tonight.  As a fan, I don’t even know where to begin in suggesting things that could help turn this season around.  What I do know is even though we’re in early December, they are quickly running out of race track to start making a move.

Despite holding Tampa Bay to just one shot on goal over the first 11 minutes of the game, it was the home side that opened the scoring in this one.   Martin St. Louis was left alone out front as the pairing of Cowen and Wiercioch got caught running around in their own end. Despite holding Tampa to just five shots in the first, the Senators found themselves trailing 1-0 after twenty minutes.

The game opened up a little bit in the middle frame, with both teams trading chances early in the period.  The Senators finally got one passed Ben Bishop, as a quick turnaround shot by Patrick Wiercioch tied the game at 1-1.  It was the first goal of the season for Wiercioch who has been in and out of the line up all year.  Despite taking advantage of that second period power play, there were some head scratching moments from Paul MacLean as he continued to send out strange combinations on the power play. At one point in the 2nd, immediately following a TV timeout, MacLean sent out Greening-Smith-Neil-Wiercioch and Phillips.  It’s a fine line between sending a message to your best/skill players and decreasing your chance of winning a hockey game.  MacLean is walking that line sometimes lately.

With just under seven minutes to go in the period, it was St. Louis again outworking the five Ottawa guys on the ice, and getting open out front to put his second of the game past Lehner. Despite the Senators holding a 26-12 edge on the shot clock, Tampa took a 2-1 lead into the third.

In what really should have been one of the most important periods of the season for the Senators, they really didn’t show up.  Robin Lehner made a couple big saves to keep the game close but eventually a miscue between Spezza and Phillips allowed Filppula to walk in and bury an insurance goal for the home side.  The Senators could only muster up eight shots over the final twenty minutes and made life pretty easy for Ben Bishop.

The Senators now return home to play host to the Toronto Maple Leafs, who are coming off an overtime win over the Dallas Stars and now sit seven points clear of the Senators in the Eastern Conference standings.

  • Shibal

    Zibanejad needs to return to the wing, because when he plays wing, he is a forechecking beast that helps keep puck possession, something condra can’t do.

    • Sandy

      Agreed re: Zibby. Maybe they should have picked up Smithson on waivers. He may not have goals/assists but led the Leafs in faceoff % in the limited time he was with the Leafs..

      • hq8

        he is actually winning faceoffs north of 50% now. its actually all designed to insulate spezza from conacher – i think.

  • hq8

    so i heard Melnyk nixed that ‘buy back the bank’ campaign this year. needs leafs fans support to keep paying off his loans.

  • Gordon Ramsli

    My opinion on the game

    Spezza doesn’t move his feet at all just flat out disappointing.

    Hoffman looked more jumpy tonight some good moves but then some bad but I think he’s still worthy off keeping up for a few more games.

    As a team effort overall while we still loss & made a few bad turnovers I found our team to be slowly gaining the ability to play 2 way hockey again.

    Lehner did good despite the loss

    • hq8

      two way hockey………

      surely the sens have success in one unintended mission: confuse the fans.

  • Sandy

    Why wasn’t St. Louis put on his ass.. when he got near the net.
    I can’t believe that Bishop purposely came out of the blue paint to trip Condra.. and Condra gets the penalty?

    • hq8

      lol because the guy who would have put him down was already down on his ass: COWEN!!!

      did you watch the game?

      • Sandy

        Both times? There is also 4 other players on the ice…

        • hq8

          no second time it was just a bad bad giveaway by Phillips and Corvo. dunno if spezza’s line was on the ice – dont remember.

          on the first one. it was a nothing play that became something thanks to cowen and PW46. PW46 got beat behind the net and Cowen was somehow already on the ice flat on the other side of the net when the puck got to St. Louis.

          your point re-other 4 players. well i dont know how a player would react when his two teammates combine to make a nothing situation into something that stinks. its a comedy of errors. in hockey, the one thing any team is looking for is unforced errors. sens make a ridiculous amount of unforced errors. nearly ALL of them happen when trying to exit the zone and out of those, the vast majority happen when that job is given to Jared Cowen. he is single handedly destroying stats for every teammate who is on the ice with him. for starters he cannot be trusted with the puck.

          for me right now, i get a bad feeling watching when he has the puck on his stick. and I have watched all sens games this season. he is that bad. if you watch closely shift to shift, there is a drastic change in the sens on-ice play when he is not on the ice.

          the same was the case with the second St. Louis goal. just different sens players on the ice.

          an example of how TB dealt with those situations is when Salo of all people manhandled Turris off a loose puck late in the 3rd.

  • Mark

    Maclean is an embarrassment. Such stupid decisions.

    • Mark

      I have never seen a coach make such strange decisions.

      • Tooks

        He won his Jack Adams on the backs of our goalies, alot of coaches have won when they shouldnt have.

  • hq8

    lets recap whats hurt the team in terms of personnel:

    1. losing alfie – doesnt need explanation.

    2. cowen shitting the bed. i think him sitting out should have been taken as a sign of things to come.

    3. conacher for Bishop trade. with every game Bishop wins for TB and every game that conacher piles up with no production, that trade looks more and more like a tremendous case of buffoonry.

    4. playing Chris Phillips more minutes than he should

    5. Sending Zibanejad down to start the season.

    6. playing hide-and-seek with goaltending.

    i feel at this point, both Conacher and Cowen are causing lineup troubles. Conacher really doesnt fit in anywhere in the sens lineup. he is too small to be on the sens bottom 6 and doesnt have Pageau’s dynamic abilities to make up for that. and he is just not the kind of guy who can work with Spezza. Conacher has one thing hard wired into him: GO TO THE NET. that works when the other two guys carry the puck well and do something with it (LIKE GET IT TO THE NET). but none of the sens lines play enough like that to suit Conacher. what typically ends up happening is Conacher just running into some d-man and getting knocked over, with the puck nowhere close.

    Cowen is making it very hard for the sens to have any semblance of a 2nd defense pairing. Phillips cannot and should not play more than 12-15 minutes a night, but thanks to Cowen’s ineptness, he is made to. This results in pretty much every d-pairing being thrown out of whack and you see instances of Cowen paired with EK65 which is the worst possible use of EK65 minutes due to Cowen’s sheer inability to make any decision with the puck.

    so here we are. add to the above the complete lack of spine, fight and guts in this sens team and you have the makings of the sens current record.

    right now is the time to sell to make something out of diminishing commodities. this season is done. there is no point spending time under the illusion that the sens will make the playoffs. it will take the sens to rapidly turn it around while teams ahead of them fumble. unfortunately, neither of that will happen at the same time and within a reasonable amount of time.

    • Sandy

      The Sens made the choice to go with a young inexperienced tandem on defense. So they have to live with that.
      How better would this team be.. if Melnyk would have ponied up the $$ to offer Alfie 5.5M to start which might have kept him.
      As someone else said… he’s trying to run a team on quarters in a multi-billion dollar business.

    • SensFanInMTL

      Holy fuck that was a good rant. You’ve said everything I was incapable of doing so.

    • Mat

      I’ll give Conacher 1 thing: he draws penalties like no one else. Only problem is OUR GOD DAMN POWERPLAY SUCKS BALLS!!!!! Funny that I’m not reading any comments on that shitty aspect of our team.. what are we 5 for 42 in the last 6 games?? We should be winning based on the man advantages we are getting..

  • hq8

    haha he said it again “we gotta play hard enough to win”

    • Guess Who

      Dear Paul,
      It’s YOUR job to make your players play hard!
      Signed,
      Common Sense

  • Dirtysweetness

    Sorry but this is driving me crazy. When are we going to see the #1 centre, team captain show up and leave everything on the ice? When is Jason going to stop doing the unsuccessful NHL13 deke moves? When are we going to see him back check and/or make a big hit?
    Never.
    For years, different head coaches have been trying to solve this problem of having the appropriate line mates for/with Spezza -and still little breakthrough. Fans are always left wondering if he’ll hit the next level.

    I know the arguments, he is a point a game player and how many other teams lack a true #1 centre. But, correct me if I’m wrong, we as fans want to see a player/captain lead by example. For example, (I can’t stand) Sidney Crosby. I’m not referring to SC’s skill but rather his leadership abilities. He’s vocal, aggressive with the puck, he hits and fights and opposing teams hate playing against him.
    I don’t know what the solution is for Spezza. Line juggling doesn’t work.

    Sorry for venting.

    • Michenator

      I’ve been saying this for weeks. We need a captain who will lead by example. It’s so true that it’s always a “who will work with Spezza” question, when it appears basically nobody! He’s winning 56% of his faceoffs which is actually far better than I thought it was but he’s a -8.

      All in all, I love the Sens, I love my hockey but this team is definitely frustrating to watch. All I want to see is that hustle that we’ve had the past 2 years, where we looked like we could out work any other team on sheer effort.

    • Tooks

      Spezza isnt that style of player, cant milk a pig. This coaching staff is trying to change our players to fit the system, instead of playing to the players strengths.

  • MoeDozer

    although Maclean is fresh off a jack adams season. his decisions have been very confusing and difficult or rather inconsistent to understand. He is not the main issue. majority of the team is showing no effort out there. and it starts with the so-called leadership group we have.

    phillips is way overused due to our lack of Dmen talent..but id much rather Methot take those major minutes.
    Spezza is clearly dealing with a lot of pressure and some hidden injuries, i dont know how much longer he will drag this on.
    Neil is playing less and less the physical energy guy..we need him to start throwing those hits again soon. i expect him to do just that vs the leafs.

    all the playoff teams spend to the cap..we are the only ones spending at the floor and expect to be a contender.. its no secret really.

    Melnyk has to figure out a way to let us spend or he has to move on or open up to having a co-owner…
    You dont need to have insight to know BM is calling every team trying to add players without adding money.

    at this pace, there is no way we are convincing Bobby to sign here..
    atleast some positives are corvo has 8points in 13 games.
    zib would be on pace for 30g if he got to play 82 games. but that will quickly slip away playing 3rd line mins.
    milo’s knees havent given up on him yet.

  • Alex

    Take out the ‘C’ from Spezza and give it to Karlsson plz.
    Bryan Murray really needs to make a move right now. Maclean really shows he can’t do anything, players dont want to help him!
    We have Turris, Ryan, MacArthur, Zibanejad, Smith, Greening, Karlsson playing good hockey. 7 out of 18 players. C’mon!
    Please, sit Conacher a little.

    From a Sens Fan in Montreal that friends are very happy now my team isnt playing good and Habs always win recently.

    • Sandy

      Put the “C” on a 22 yr old player to try to get this team out of it’s funk?

      • Alex

        Put the ‘C’ on Spezza, probably our best player in working less possible.
        Our leading scorer si a D, the best D in the league. He should have the captain titre for the next ten years or more like we did with alfredsson!

        • Tooks

          Best Offensive D, Karlsson is a mess on defense, he has more turnovers than Spezza and consistantly helps the other team score.

          Ya good idea.

    • MoeDozer

      Greening playing good hockey? i must be seeing something else. Neil has scored more than him hell even Jared Cowen has!
      Conacher is far from the issue. You need your best players producing to win games. that means Spezz producing at his PPG+ rate. milo scoring at 30g+ rate. that imo is the bigger concern.

      our D is an entire different level of major concerns.

      • Alex

        Players are not all there to score some goals, yes Greening doesn’t score a lot, but he is playing hard, giving a lot of hits, 5th in the NHL with 97 hits. Our problem now is the working level, i prefer to see Greening on the ice than Spezza, not a good thing then.

  • Alex

    I want to see this:
    Greening-Spezza-Ryan
    MacArthur-Turris-Michalek
    Condra-Smith-Neil
    Hoffman-Pageau-Zibanejad

    Methot-Karlsson
    Phillips-Corvo
    Gryba-Cowen (maybe Ceci)

    Greening needs to Be with SPEZZA cause Mr. capitain dont want to battle for the puck, Just want his winger to give him thats it!

    • sprucesens

      personally right now, i don’t want ryan anywhere near spezza until he learns how to skate hard on every shift. Keep him with Turris and put MacArthur back with him so they can keep single handedly winning us 1 of every 3 games. now if the rest of the team could pitch in to win another 1 in 3, we’d be doing ok

      • Tooks

        Winning 2 out of 6 aint gonna get us anywhere.

  • Sandy

    McLean has tried just about every combination and it’s not working..
    The players are not executing the game plan.. What has changed in the game plan from the last 2 seasons? Nothing..
    So Mr. Melnyk, what’s worse? Not spending money on the team.. or not having playoff revenue?

    • Tooks

      A good coach always adapts, Maclean isnt adapting, he keeps thee same system that is not working at all. Clearly the players have tuned him out and thats not good news for PMac.

      • Senators Pundit

        Truth, and besides you’ve got to pair forwards not just based on what works but what makes sense, and then let them make it work. If the group is good together on paper, give them some time to develop together. This team has no confidence in itself and the coach has no confidence in the team.

  • SensFanInMTL

    Is there any other news or rumors out there to keep us from the truth
    about not playing well? Call ups? Drastic trades? Or is this what we
    have to witness until April?

    • Mat

      Actually, the World Jr’s and the Olympics are coming up so it won’t be the only hockey you are subjected too.. that being said, this season would be more tolerable if new that for our woes, we would be picking up a high first rounder..

      Is it time for Murray to unload some assets?

  • Gordon Ramsli

    Don’t hate me too much for saying this but I’m just curious about what other people base Spezza’s trade value in a trade? What would he get us in return and would it fix our team in the long run?

    • sprucesens

      i posted my best trade scenario on other post. Best i can come up with is:

      Spezza, Cowen, Anderson to Edm
      for
      Eberle, Nugent Hopkins, 1st or 2nd. ……dubnyk?

      We clear out money,(barely) get younger, promote lehner full time and have then finished our rebuild. Unfortunately another trade would have to be made on the back end. Like a greening + for Del Zotto or something.

      MacArthur-Turris-Ryan
      Hoffman-Nuge-Eberle
      Michalek-Zibanejad-Conacher
      Greening-Smith-Neil
      Condra

      Hence one more body traded from up front for a D. Likely one of condra, greening or conacher.

      Methot-Karlsson
      Phillips-Corvo
      PW-Gryba

      With boro, claesson and Ceci all waiting to be called up. Maybe PW and Greening used as a trade for a single better D? Say…

      Wiercioch + Greening for Del Zotto and a 3rd? I’d trade condra first, but i think greening has more value. DZ takes PW’s spot on 3rd pairing.

      Lehner
      Dubnyk?? or possible AHL goalie. Those are my drastic trades. Also, DZ not a dream, just going off of availability on that one. We need a shake up and bad…

      • sprucesens

        Edmonton gets their experienced vet 1C that they’ve wanted for years, and have always had interest in spezza. Cowen to “help” their D. Anderson to replace the catastrophe that is dubnyk/bryzgalov/labarbera. Yes its 2 of their big pieces, but i think they might have finally learned that a core of 5 young stud forwards isn’t winning them anything. I know the fans here cant stand it anymore. If i’m murray i make that offer and see how MacT responds. He is pretty crazy and was all for “Big Changes” when he came on board. At least that was the headline in the paper when he took over…

      • Tooks

        Hell of as trade but I’m scared as hell to have Turris at 1C, he’s simply not a 1C. Spezza, playing this badly, still has more pts than Turris.

        But that would be one hell of a shake up, I’m on the fence with it, I wouldnt be upset and I wouldnt be happy if we pulled it.

      • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

        As completely insane of a deal as that is I think it is mutually beneficial to both teams…. I suspect that the 1st/2nd pick coming back is too homerish tho and we’d need to toss michalek or some other bit piece into the mix to even have them consider it.

      • Sandy

        So the Sens are struggling because of the young D… and you want Boro (who does have limited NHL experience), Claesson & Ceci who have none?
        Sorry, that’s not going to improve our defense..

    • Bob

      I want him gone Soooo bad, its his lack of… Hockey sense or.. whatever you want to call it.. but he doesn’t have it, never did, never will. PPG, who cares if he gives 75%, 50% of the time, more on the less side

  • Bob

    Damn..!! we suck! A healthy team, “big guns” are back, yet we’re worse. What gives? I think losing Alfie is having a lot more effects on the ice than anyone would have thought, or maybe our new captain isnt righting the ship. I haven’t seen him jump in after a whistle, more like slowly skating back to the bench. What about the coaches… Has anything changed? Our PP, a lot of questions about the lines there. And for all those saying spend spend spend… ON WHO? We could be like the laffs, at the cap and still crappy. looks like this season is O V E R, time to figure out who’s not coming back next year, trade if possible and start planning for next. Coaches too

  • Kielbasa

    This team just is just bad. They can’t even compete against a completely depleted Lighting team.

    Honestly, Spezza…I love you, but the form you have taken on this season is the same form you had frustrated coaches and fans with years ago. Lazy-ass hockey. And that style of hockey doesn’t deserve a C on the front of your jersey. Time to pass it on to someone who actually gives a damn about how this team performs. And time to pass it on to someone who will lead by example.

    AND FIRE THE DAMN COACH RESPONSIBLE FOR OUR DEFENSE!!!

    Fluuuuuuuussssshhhh…there goes the season!

  • Mitchell

    Best players make the most mistakes. Keep the lines going. Let them find there game. It’s like being traded team from team no one finds there place until there settled.

    I vote for a permant fixture pending trades of lines

    Michalek – Spezza – Ryan
    MacArthur – Turris – Conacher
    Hoffman – Zibanejad – Condra
    Greening – Smith – Neil

    Your first line center needs to play with first line guys

    • Tooks

      Then get MM9 out of there, he aint a top line guy.

      I believe that the lines or combos we have now just need more time to get settled.
      CMac-Spezza (You can see they are working on things, it will work out, leave it)
      Turris-Ryan (dropped off a bit but we need spread the offense around, CMac is key to Spezza)
      Smith-Neil (Seem to play the rough game well together and Smith actually getting good scoring chances)
      Greening-Condra (Have always played well together)

      The problem with the team is obviously DEF, we cant break out to save our lives, its scramble/off the glass/turnover/ or penalty…

      Every other team in the league has a decent break out.

      The lines I would stick to through win or loss would be:

      MacArthur Spezza Zibanejad
      Hoffman Turris Ryan
      Michalek Smith Neil
      Conacher Greening Condra
      You wanna play the players who will be here next year and for the future, Michalek is gone, no point in giving him big minutes, Zib and Hoffman are more important.

      Methot Karlsson
      PW46 Gryba/Ceci/Claesson/Rutkowsky
      Boro Ceci/Claesson/Cowen/Sdao
      Got to try and get more kids up, you have to think 1 of em hopefully turns out to be NHL rdy immediately, chances are 1 will make it.

      Lehner
      BARRY BRUST!! LOL

  • Geoffrey Tait

    I think its time we start selling “Alfie was right” t-shirts

    • Tooks

      Who knew leadership was that important, I knew it was part of the game but man…I guess Alfie was right about having a better “shot” somewhere else.

      • aegiszx

        Team with no leadership? Look at the Oilers… Bursting with talent, with no one from owner to gm to coach to lead them.

        • Tooks

          Yep, were in the same boat, we are slowly becoming the Oilers!

          • Sandy

            But their owner will spend $$ on the team..

  • aegiszx

    I got so many thumbs down when I suggested Spezza wasnt ready for the C, and Karlsson should be the next C… Look whos laughing now.

    Notice how EVERY game when we’re down or struggling, it’s Karlsson leading the rush and will split through the Ds and forwards? He’ll do it himself if he has to. Spezza is usually nowhere to be found. Karlsson wants to be on the ice for 25+ minutes a game. He WANTS to be a force. That’s the difference I believe, is that Karlsson being young, and fresh off a Norris Trophy and career threatening injury, wants to put this team on the right track.

    • Tooks

      All nice and dandy but then he leaves his buddy Methot to fend off a 2-1 or 3-1 while he gingerly skates back to his DEF zone….And thats not even when he’s trying to score on our own net, poor Andy…

    • ReleaseTheKarlsson

      And you are still getting thumbs down…weird, right?
      Spezza, who has been with this team from being drafted, who has put up with fans like you ragging on him his ENTIRE career, who has been to the Finals with this team, who has been a point per game player, and who is taking over for the first legend this franchise has had, is not as ready for the C as Karlsson?
      I love Karlsson, the guy will be the next captain if he is still with us at that point, but Spezza was the ONLY choice this team had, and it was the right one. Spezza needs time to grow into the role, just like anyone else would have.

  • boom

    I see alot of talk about line up changes – propsed trades etc.

    All very interesting, but i am convinced we will never win with this coach.

    The latest head-scratcher? He decides to send a message to his PP unit by sitting them on the bench and sending out the Smith line instead. Leaves Karlsson on the bench as well.

    Fair enough, but who escapes his wrath, and still plays on the 1st unit? Chris – never met a shin pad I couldn’t shoot into – Phillips.

    Everyone out there trying to unravel the mystery of why Alfie left…maybe he was just the first one to lose faith in this coach. I fear the dominoe effect has started….

    • Tooks

      Yeah when teams underachieve, it usually comes down to the coach not putting them in a position of success. We have good to great players and they just seem to do what they like, no structure, no limits…

      Thats a sign that the players have tuned out the coach a bit and just trying to win games on their own. Not buying into the system completely. People say but we did last year and this and that, yeah all of our stars were hurt, Maclean coached a bunch of kids trying to get a spot on the big club. Stars come back and they are used to playing a certain way, coach comes in and says play another way…whoa…

      I just think PMac is WAYYY overhyped, its nice he won a Jack Adams but he didnt win it by outcoaching teams, he won it off the backs of our Godly goaltending and bunch of hungry kids. Now they have been fed and are too fat!! LOL

  • Mark

    Maclean isn’t the sole cause of this but he doesn’t give any of the lines a chance to create chemistry, he still has Phillips on the PP, and he benches our best players during a power play in a close game. I think that last year a lot of players were extra motivated to stay in the NHL and our goalies played lights out; Maclean had a huge part in that no doubt. But, as the makeup of the team changed this year, he hasn’t adjusted. It seems like he is being tuned out by the players.

    • Mark

      Maclean has also commited too much playing time to certain players.

  • Miguel

    Vent Alert!
    if you don’t want to hear it please skip this post
    Put a fork in it boys, this team cannot make the playoffs the way we are playing, plain and simple!
    And NO comments from out coach:
    “we were not ready”
    “we are not trying hard enough”
    “Best players play”
    “Dump and go to the net”
    and definitely a “lac o repec” to our players… maybe Therien was right :)
    this has not nor will it change things for this team,
    For all those who crowned PM as the next Scotty Bowman, I am sorry but much of this teams problems have to fall sqarely on his shoulders and choices, and he made his own bed.
    Decisions that need to be questioned
    your goalie wins 3 games in a row and you change goalies ” Andy is our #1″
    and the pull him after a huge win.
    Continue to play players in situations they will never be able to succeed
    – 7th round 4th line players in your top 6 – Greening and Condra
    – Put Phillips on your starting PP – leave PW, Corvo, Methot, on the bench
    – Keep playing players that are not playing well – Cowen
    – Send down players that are better than you have in your lineup
    – Zibby
    – Pageau
    – Boro
    – O’Brien
    Keep rewarding plugs with more icetime, when sitting them or demoting them down a line, is the right move – Greening, Neil, Cowen, Phillips
    Alienating your captain and putting him on a line with 4th liners is somehthing I cannot recall seeing any other coach trying.
    Sorry but I do have faith in PM, but now is the time to start showing why you are the best coach in the league, and do something that will HELP this team, and not just shit on your stars
    done venting

  • Dennis

    I find it funny that people are saying that PMac has to go. Let me tell you something, we have a guy who had a major role in building Detroit into the team they have been for the past 8 or so years, coached at every level, with a winning record, was a good nhl hockey player, and took a “basement team” to the playoffs twice, plus pulled off an upset of the 2nd place team in the conference, with one of the youngest rosters in years. That to me says that we have a guy who is extremely knowledgeable of the game, both as an nhl player and coach. Not only that, this guy knows which buttons to push to motivate his players. You want proof? You can say that we had insane goalies, and kids who were playing for there future nhl jobs, but you know what? That only lasts a few games. Eventually, the novelty wears off. The fact that our team from last year was competitive, shows that PMac knows how to get the most out of his players.

    This all being said, in the end, its up to the players to actually play. I remember when we had Craig Hartsburg as coach, everybody was saying that we are not a trap team, we’re geared for agressive attacking hockey. Guess what? THAT IS WHAT PMAC IS PREACHING TO THE BOYS. To play that style of hockey, requires you to be constantly moving, constantly working shift after shift after shift. If you are not huffing and puffing coming to the bench, you didn’t work hard enough.

    PMac talked about establishing a foundation, a culture of winning. This team made huge strides towards that, the last two seasons, and can still do that this season. If players are tuning the coach out, and trying to do there own thing, trade them, especially if it is Spezza. He is the captain of this team, and if he is not following the system, and tuning the coach out, then this team is screwed, the only thing you can do, is trade him. I would rather have a guy like Pageau, who plays his ass off every night, than a guy who thinks he is above the coach.

    If PMac is fired, we become the joke of the league again. On top of that, all our young players will get the wrong message, and that is, that they are not held accountable.

    I am a midget AAA hockey coach myself, and I fully know that there is a universe of difference between that and the nhl, but there are some similarities. PLAYERS MUST BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE, IF NOT, A STANLEY CUP WILL NEVER COME TO OTTAWA. Im telling everyone on this site right now, PMac can lead this team to a Stanley Cup, but its up to the players to follow.

    • Tooks

      Nobody IS being held accountable right now anyways, the coach has lost control of this team. I’m sorry but the novelty of playing midget AAA might wear off but not a rookie in the NHL trying to stay on the team, if it does wear off, guess what, your gone. Maclean has nothing to do with the goalies btw which were the only reason we even made the playoffs and beat the Habs who were overrated.

      Maclean can coach kids just fine but he seems to struggle with vets & star players.

      • Sandy

        So helping to coach Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Lidstrom, etc didn’t count? No he wasn’t the head coach…. but he had a lot of responsibility on that team… and he learnt from the best that is Mike Babcock. Those 3 players played all out every game.
        If these players are not listening to the coach, then THEY are the problem and shame on them. This is about being professional. Doing your best each and every game for the millions you earn..
        One thing I would do is to let Reeds & Cameron go. Bring up Luke Richardson to work with the defense and find an experienced NHL asst coach to work on special teams.
        If any of the coaches ‘lost’ the players.. it’s these two junior coaches..

    • Sandy

      Thank you for that. He can only work with what he has. And right now it is a group of players who are not following the game plan when they get down. Too many players playing individually. A defense that is lacking experience.

  • Hax

    I know we’re all desperate for points or a few wins strung together … but it’s pretty obvious that MacLean is trying to fix the overall problem for the long term. Rolling four lines, even right through power plays, is about getting the team to play within the structure. It’s tough to watch but it’s necessary if this team is going to improve considerably. Sure we could roll three lines and stack up one power play unit and try to squeeze a few extra points out of the few players that are playing well but then the rest will only get worse.

    Patience is hard, I get that.

    • Miguel

      you show great reserve my friend, very diplomatic and loyal and kudos to you pal :-)
      however the straight reality is that we have 1 first line and 3 fourth lines right now.
      This team cannot generate enough scoring chances to win games.
      I cannot ever remember watching so many games where we never ever have the lead, it is very tough to watch this team down 2 goals every second period!

      • Sandy

        Scoring isn’t their problem — they are 8th overall in the NHL. It’s the team defense.. goals against — where they sit 26th overall. That’s why they are losing.
        It’s almost a reversal of last season. 2nd overall in goals against — and 27 in goals for..

        Would be nice if they could put both together..

    • Tooks

      Nice to see you’ve given up on the season so early…Now its time to prepare for next year?

  • ProudSens

    I watch on average over 80 Sens games a year, and I hate to say it, but I refused to watch both games this year, not because I was busy, but I cannot for the life of me watch this circus of meritocracy with all of the platitude of hockey sound bites as excuses. What happened to my Sens, the world is not right. Serenity now!!

  • 57gord

    Pmac being “Scared to death” all the time seems to have rubbed off onto this team. Fearless my ass!…………Season done already?

  • LeafsSux

    On a lighter note. Ill be wearing my vintage Bonk #14 sweater to the game tomorrow night and if they happen to win ill wear it every night they’re playing.. lol Seriously though I am wearing it! See you turds tomorrow night

    • Miguel

      this team has me longing for the days of Bonk :-)
      enjoy the game fellow Sens Army Soldier… be brave on those front lines :-)

  • Roar…

    I think the team played fine. All of the lines did a good job managing possession at evens. If we had won the game 4-3 or 4-2 everyone would be saying how great they played.

    The issues are simple:
    1. Zibanejad needs to be playing with the big boys
    2. Cowen needs to be in the press box until he sorts out his game
    3. Call grant back up and finally sit Conacher
    4. In the below lineup you can swap Z-Bad & Ryan if you like

    MacArthur-Spezza-Zibanejad
    Hoffman-Turris-Ryan
    Michalek-Condra-Conacher
    Neil-Smith-Greening

    The underlying numbers are coming around. This team will start to win games.

    • thepez

      Just because you outshoot a team or have posession does not mean you played well. Absolutely no intensity in the final period and very little in the first two.
      I hate to say it as a long time Spezza backer but it’s time to change things up and trade our supposed #1 center. Unfortunately his back issues and quite possibly the pressure of being a captain has hampered his play. Time for a change of scenery for #19 and a change in philosophy by the Senators.

      • Aaron 2.0

        I’ve probably been one of the toughest on Spezza (this year). But, right now you’d be selling low. I don’t think you’d be particularly pleased with the return.

        • Tooks

          Big time, I like how fans just think we can ship guys out with a great return always coming back, lol. Right now would be the absolute worse time to trade Spezza.

        • Sandy

          If Paul Gaustad can get a return of a 1st round pick on an expiring contract… then you get that ++ for Spezza.
          Trading him…. Sens will really regret it. Is he playing at the top of his game? No… not too many of them are…

      • Roar…

        Pretty sure the Lightning had maybe 5 good scoring chances in the entire game last night. The Sens not only gave up very little but they also pounded them at evens all night in the scoring chance/shot-attempt battle. Eight out of ten times Ottawa wins last nights game. They were unlucky plain and simple.

        Most of the year Ottawa has been getting killed. The last 5 games the underlying numbers are turning around. That is something to be positive about because the reality is it means they will win games. The only question is “is it already too late?” and the answer may very well be yes.

        Spezza’s Corsi last night was 76.5%. That’s +20% relative to the team average. His line was dominant. You’re an idiot if you think he didn’t have a good game. Your pathetic little comments wreak of the uneducated anecdotal bullshit surmising a little more “effort” or “heart” would have made a difference. Complete and utter garbage. You’re exactly the loser fan who cheers like a retard when his team gets 30% of the puck but is scoring goals (AKA LEAFS FANS for the last 2 years who are finally getting their medicine). You don’t know anything so just stop talking.

  • SenaTHOR

    This team is in real trouble value wise. We are 12+- mil under the cap and our players are losing their trade value. You look at their performance vs contract amount and their “trade worth” is declining drastically. Any move made with any GOOD team is going to be a losing proposition. The only teams that may offer something reasonable are struggling players who are also down in value. For this reason a trade now could be a disaster unless it is with another bottom feeding team.
    I see this is the reason that the struggling players are playing. They need to get their value up in case a trade is made.

  • ZibbyFan

    I am seriously not liking our SENs these days. They’re commanding big bucks to watch with very little in the enjoyment factor. Tired of losses and no prospect of contending even a smidgen. Hope is waining…

  • Alcatraz

    I remembered in 2006 when EVERYONE wanted Alfie gone. trade him for Craig Conroy!!!

    Then what ahppened in 2007? Give Spezza some time. I can’t believe how “Finicky” our fans are.

    These boards were flooded in August when HOW DARE THEY leave him off the orientation camp for Team Canada. We understoof he probably wouldn’t make the team, but not even get an invite!!! The nerve of them!!!

    Anyways point is, we are finicky and we expect greatness all the time. How about we give Spezza a little longer in molding this as his team.

    • Miguel

      completely agree, Vent alert!
      but I am not saying trade Spezza b/c he is not good, i am saying it b/c he does not deserve this treatment anymore!
      Some Fans on here drive me nuts on the treatment of some players
      Complete Contrasts
      Spezza / Phillips
      Phillips sucks crap, is responsible for another goal last night, but not one mentions that “he is done, trade him, he sucks” in fact we here that we better sign him to another year! WTF???
      For those of you who say Trade Spezza, and do not mention that the real crap on this team is the likes of Phillips… please get your heads out of your asses
      only the elite in the NHL can do what Spezza has accomplished in his career.
      I can teach a Bantam player to play like Phillips, and truthfully there probably are a couple that can do it better than him.
      Yes Spezza is struggling, and this has probably more to do with the fact that he is once again trying to do it all himself, and trying too hard, as he does not have anyone to help him get out of this funk…
      and again sorry for venting yet again! just frustrated… I think only a female can help me out of this one :-)

      • Eugenius

        I think he’d thrive in a smaller market. A trade would likely work out best for both sides.

    • Doc

      This is nothing new. We have one of the youngest fan base, and for sure one of the most finicky.

      I tend to avoid blogs and forums as much as I can during times like these. It’s painful to read some of the comments and ‘opinions’.

    • Sandy

      It’s so easy to be a fan of a winning team.
      But not every fan can be a fan when a team is losing. It’s get rid of the coach.. trade your #1 centre. Trade your young defensemen because they haven’t learned how to play D yet after being in the NHL for a year..
      Actually it’s really depressing..
      I’m not happy with the way they are playing and they need to get their heads out of their asses and get to work. They make a lot of $$ to play a game… so just play. Play hard — play smart and the wins will come..
      Most of the younger players on this team have never played through a losing streak like this… and it’s showing. They get so down on themselves…

  • Alcatraz

    Gilroy waived and McKenzie says Kulikov could be traded this week…hmmm haha

    • Eugenius

      Kulikov, Mathias, and a 1st for #19

  • WaitingSince92

    Pretty much every year, there’s a team that has a shitty start, then turns around their season. It’s getting harder and harder to see that possibility in our Sens…

    • Miguel

      i am only asking for small victories… playing with a lead may allow me to want to watch the game to the end :-)

      • Hax

        I have to agree to a point with Miguel. I’m not nearly as upset as you are bud but I do agree that even the year we missed the playoffs this team was fun to watch. Compete level was high, everyone’s “give a shit” meter was high, we got blown out some nights but still put forth the effort.

        This year it’s tough some games to get excited. If I see Karlsson try to pass through a guy again I may snap. Though Karlsson at least is good for one or two sick rushes where he dangles around three guys or more.

        But I’m expecting the tide to turn and the team to play better. Going to be tough to get all the way back into the playoff picture but there’s plenty of time. A little 4 game win streak at some point will get us in striking distance.

        • WaitingSince92

          “little” 4-game win streak? That would be practically inordinate!

          It’s definitely true that this year’s losses as not fun to watch, like they have been in recent years (for all the reasons you mentioned).

          Watching Cowen has been gut-wrenching. Ditto Phillips on the PP, Wiercioch in his own end… and I haven’t even mentioned the fact that I prefer Borowiecki and Corvo to 4 of our other 6 D (more or less).

  • Bernard

    I wonder what it would take to pry P.K from mtl. Karlsson and a 2nd for pk? The guy does it all, offensively and defensively.

    • esk

      calm down

      • Bernard

        Let’s be honest. Do we really think a guy like Karlsson will last? He’s not physical enough to be a solid defenseman in this league

        • Hax

          Obvious troll is obvious.

          • Doc

            Shitty attempt at it too.

        • PraiseAlfie11

          Ask Ovi how KK65 isnt physical enough. Brains over brawn.

        • FBP

          Think of him as more of a gaseous defense-man.

      • Miguel

        and step off the ledge… it might not seem like it now, but it will get better
        :-)

        • RUSH RLZ

          Don’t listen to Miguel! Don’t jump!

          • Miguel

            no no, I agree Rush I am telling to to step away from the ledge :-)

          • RUSH RLZ

            Boy, if you happen to try and talk people off window ledges, bridges, tops of skyscrapers etc in real life, PLEASE remember to clearly specify a direction before encouraging people to “step off”. Oh and while you are at it, don’t blare Van Halen’s “Jump” in the SWAT van during these situations either! Yeeesh!

  • ReleaseTheKarlsson

    The trade proposals here are hilarious. EVEN IF the team was to trade Spezza (which they won’t and shouldn’t) and he is as bad as you guys say he is, what makes you think any other team wants him for the proposals you guys are putting forward? This message board is almost as bad as the people who comment on the Sens Facebook page or the Red Scarf Union page.

    • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

      Rsu were the biggest bunch of clowns I’ve ever seen

  • Killadi

    Chirp, is this website a meeting place Sens fanz????

    Most people on this forums don’t have faith on this team and all they do is bitch and complain like lil school girls.

    Look, we have cap floor team, if you want to be playoff team and compete against playoff contenders then the team needs to spend money on getting quality players. Spezza needs two top 6 forwards to play on his wings Michalek and Condra are 3rd or 4th line players on any playoff contenders. Havalt/Healtly are a healthy scratch or plays on the 4th line on their respective teams.

    Melnyk needs to spend money on getting atleast one experience top four defensemen and a top 6 forward if he doesn’t do that the team won’t make the playoffs and he can kiss goodbye to playoff revenue.

    I’m sick off all these fair weather Sens fan throwing their team under the bus and the team and fanz knew the type of player Spezza is when we made him Captain. You can’t compare him to Crosby, Stamkos, Getzlaf and if you want to then pay that kind of money to get a player of that caliber. Spezz has tons of offensive upside and he will pick it up he had talented players playing with him.

    Spezza and Karlsson would have high turnover bc they are the only one capable of making plays, do you think Cowen or Phillips can create plays like Karlsson?? No, so when Karlsson makes those high reward/risk plays he is going to turn it over sometimes learn to accept that.

    I just hate it when there is no effort from the team and Spezza was flat yesterday and i think he is playing through an injury. Don’t blame the coach for the players effort.

    • Killadi

      p.s. sorry abt the rant.

      But these fanz that are giving up on the team need to shut up and go become a fan of another team and I’m fine with that but these are the fanz that complain about Cowen and thinks that he should be traded and come back in two years and complain about the teams management about trading Cowen. Look at Chara he was struggling on the Sens and he turned out fine.

      Now I’m not saying that Cowen would end up like Chara, but Cowen has pedigree. I agree that he looks terrible on the ice but he only played one season at the NHL and he is coming from a hip surgery and still very very very young and he needs time. if you don’t want to be patient then maybe hockey is not a sport you should be a fan off. But I hate ppl throwing my Sens under the bus, they will make the playoffs this year and will be fine.

      Also, Stache is trying to roll three productive lines and you need that in the playoffs, if you can’t your team will be defeated in the playoffs no question asked. look at all the elite teams either they can roll three lines (Bruins, Sharks) or they got elite two lines (Pens, Blackhawks) unfortunately we can’t afford those star power so need to settle for three lines. I have complete faith in Stache as he tries to figure out our players ans our strength.

      • aegiszx

        Hey Killadi,

        I follow the Hawks AND Sens, and let me tell you, you dont need to spend to the cap to win. What you need, is a good system in place that EVERYONE agrees with.

        And I’ll have you know, we drafted Pkane and Toews. And developed the rest of our talent, (which honestly, we’re a team of 3rd/4th liners lol). With the exception of the top lines.

        The Sens fans are a “win-now” fanbase unfortunately. They’re spoiled as hell!! Imagine being a Florida fan or 2000s Hawks fan, ARENAS WERE EMPTY!!! NO one cared, but once management started building the team the right way, the ship did a 180. Sens fans need to be patient or else they will drive all the talent out!

        • Killadi

          I like the Hawks and have followed them closely when they had Belfour, Amonte, Roneick etc and then the dark years to the now golden years. I don’t understand how the Pens passed on Toews and picked Jordan Staal instead, still boggles my mind.

          But the Hawks got elite wingers in Hossa, Sharp, Saad and probably the best defensive pairing in Keith and Seabrook infact I think they have the best defensive unit in the league. They are all studs, Hammer, Leddy, Oduya, Rozival, Brookbank. are all responsible defensively and could move & shoot the puck. The Sens defence can’t compare to that and the Hawks did draft most of those guys and had to let Buff go so bc of cap don’t tell me that.

          We can’t compete with teams like Sharks, St. Louis, Anaheim, Boston, Pens, NYR, etc. without having quality players and you need cash. Other than Methodt our defence is a mess and no matter which system you have in place if you don’t have defence and goaltending you can’t win on a regular basis. to get a guy like Hammer or Odyua we have to spend $3 -4 mill more on top of what we are currently spending. Ownership needs to do that and they will make the money back in playoff reveneu. its not rocket science.

          I would agree that we are spoiled and that our team has been successful in the past and we are on the rebuild and fans still want the team to make the playoffs since we gave up our 1st round pick but Ryan is worth it.

      • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

        Chara was doing fine here…. And he was not traded…. Not sure why fans can’t ever remember this

        • Killadi

          yeah he became a free agent cuz management decided to sign Redden. I’m aware of that but didn’t articulate it but whatever,

    • FBP

      That’s (un)fairly sexist.

      • Killadi

        lol, I understand what you mean, its just that I’m mad at the fanz on this forum that are giving up on the team and are so negative. if they were to be critical thats fine. but just flat out -ive comments is not fair to the team.

        Yes, our defence sucks and ppl are complaining about stache playing the Smith line on the powerplay but on both occasion when that happened the Turris line were tired and were getting off the ice and he wanted to give them a rest and put the Smith line out. so ppl need to stop making things up and seeing things that are not there.

    • Sandy

      Melnyk would sooner spend money on new TV sets than on players to help the team.

      • esk

        better fan experience = ^sales up = more money to sign players

  • Gordon Ramsli

    For next game I hope Pmac relines our offensive lines like this

    Hoffman – Spezza – Ryan
    MacArthur – Turris – Zibanejad
    Michalek – Smith – Neil
    Conacher – Greening – Condra

    I think Zibanejad will fit in better with Turris & MacArthur and I think if we wanna utilize Ryan to his full use he needs to go with Spezza in hopes of that Ryan can get open and Spezza can feed him a pass

  • Sen John’s

    I love to complain about the Sens as much as the next guy, but we’ve made the playoffs 14 out of the past 16 years, have more points than any other Canadian team in the last 16 years, and have won more playoff games than any other Canadian team in the last 16 years (thanks to JL on Facebook for stats). It sucks when they lose, it sucks when it looks like they aren’t giving it their all, but we are very fortunate to have the Sens in our great city.

    Call me a dreamer, but I think they can turn it around and finish in the 7th or 8th seed and do some damage in the playoffs.

    GO SENS GO!!

    • Miguel

      great perspective buddy… love the loyalty and glass half full… but ( nancy negative here ) you have to admit it has been awfully tough to sit through and enjoy most games this year.
      Give me a lead, thats all I ask for these days :-)

    • Killadi

      totally agree, we have the talent to get her done. last two years we did’t have enough scoring but this year we have that but we are missing defensive presence. and its not fair to put all that responsibility on Cowen, Weircoch and Gryba, we need an experience top 4 and we should be fine.

    • Sandy

      They need to get a top 4 D… somehow.. Not an young inexperienced one — but a decent top 4 vet.

      That would do wonders, IMO, to help Cowen, Wiercioch, & Gryba. They need to play with veteran players not each other..

  • laffin681021

    So completely off topic and not relevant in any way, but in Breaking Bad season 5 episode 15 where walter is talking to his son over the phone you can hear a hockey game going on in the background and they mention Craig Anderson’s name..they must have liked the Sens.

    • FBP

      It’s actually a different hockey playing Craig Anderson. Still cool though.

      http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=27906

      • laffin681021

        Yeah I went back and re-listened to it and I didn’t even recognize the other names. False alarm.

    • Hax

      Thanks you’ve now entirely spoiled the episode for me since you’re told me Walt talks to Walter Jr.

      (Kidding)

  • Colin

    So, a new $5M CTC TV system will allow the fans to see the on-ice garbage wherever they are in the building. Hahahahahaha! (Sorry. Couldn’t resist)

    • Miguel

      WTF I pay $100 per month to watch this garbage every night ( me too could not resist )

  • OverMind

    well this fair weather fan is out. See you next year guys!

    • FBP

      If you can’t handle us at our worst you don’t deserve us at our best.

      • Hax

        Agreed (though I think OM was joking).

        I think they should sell tickets to the cup parade now (whenever it might be) so that really loyal fans can get the best seats.

  • Hax

    I think the biggest single problem we have is we’re not hard to play against. Ryan hits like a beauty (which is a nice surprise) and the Smith line is usually gritty enough. Mika too is physical but pretty much everyone else is too nice/soft IMO. Borowiecki was the exact right attitude and I wish Cowen and Gryba would play like him more. Even Wiercioch could afford a chip on his shoulder. Methot is not too bad in this respect and Phillips was always a bit too gentle for my liking but at least clears the front of the net.

    Really, if the team just got collectively pissed off they’d likely win more than they lose.

    I’m still pissed nobody responded to Upshall in the last game. Neil was ready to but after that everyone seemed to turn the other cheek. I’d be much happier losing games due to guys getting ejected for retaliating than losing this way.

    • Doc

      Yep, funny thing is the Sens are one of the teams that hit the most this season. Greening is ranked 5th in the league right now.

      • Hax

        “Hitting” isn’t the exact problem really. It’s more about attitude for me. Cowen used to have a mean streak. Gryba even more so. Those two should be among the most feared D in the league but they’re not.

        • SenaTHOR

          This may be pure speculation but when a player sits for no particular reason, has been playing fairly well, I’m sure he feels a certain amount of “get me the Fk out of here attitude”.

          • Hax

            Who are you talking about? Is one of the Sens in your book club and told you he’s upset about being sat and not even told why?

      • Killadi

        I just want to see the Sens score the first goal, then they would win more and eliminate all these dumb rookie mistakes.

  • NickofTime

    Just when you thought the Sens would be able to put a run together to catch the Leafs who are having so many injury problems they crap the bed again. Three mistakes all lead to goals one by Cowen, Phillips & Spezza & Karlsson’s mistake almost cost us another goal. These four guys are killing us with giveaways & mental mistakes they just should not be making given their experience. Game after game these four are responsible for most of the give aways & mistakes that cost us goals although some other guys also make mistakes these four make the most. The Sens are running out of chances & time before they are in a position where they won’t be able to catch up. Should be interesting to see what they are able to do or not do against the hated Leafs.

    • SenaTHOR

      Hmm..3 of 4 missing last year. Correlation maybe?

    • Sandy

      Giveaways:

      Karlsson leads the NHL. Spezza is 11th.. Cowen is 62nd..
      Takeaways:
      Bobby Ryan leads the Sens and is 17th in the NHL. Spezza is 22nd — I’m sure a lot of you are surprised at that stat. Karlsson is 23rd.

      • Killadi

        A lot of these trolls/leaf/habs n fairweather sens fan are talking smack for the sake of talking smack.

        both EK65 n Spezz make plays and create opportunities and have given up the puck but those are high risk high reward plays. we can’t expect Cowen, Gryba or methot or Neil, condra, MM9 to make those plays and thats fine they will have some giveaways but Spezz is still a point a game player n EK65 leads the team n all defensemen in points. So he is on the plus end of things!!!

        I wasn’t aware that they did that well on takeaways and if Weir n Cowen find their strides then the team will be doing well and EK65 n Spezz will make fewer turnovers and we will be fine. just be patient, we are cap floor team but the system is amazing n we should replace our assistant coach responsible for our defence and we would be winning games.

        • Sandy

          Then bring in Luke Richardson to work with the D… All of the players have a great amount of respect for him…

    • Killadi

      To be honest I’m pretty disgusted with our fanbase, the second the team goes thru some ruff patches ppl are ready to throw them under the bus.

      This team was predicted to finish first in the conference by numerous pundits and all our fans were all enthusiastic and talking smack to leafs fan etc. Two months into the season and we are not performing to expectation ppl are panicking and losing faith.

      The fact is defence wins game in this nhl and our defence is full of inexperienced players and need time to gel and play to their potential. If and when Cowen n Wiercoch play to their potential we will win games thats guranteed. opponents are making the most of our mistakes right now. I’m more than happy with our top two lines, but our bottom 6 are not doing well bc Weir n Cowen can’t find their stride and get the puck out. you can’t expect these guys to replace all those years of experience that Gonch had.

      I see us making the playoffs somewhere between 5-8 and making a deep push. Tampa, Leafs n Wings can’t maintain their current standing with the injury to their stars and even if they return it will be while before the rust wears off and by then I hope our young gunz find their stride.

      Go Sens Go

      • Sandy

        After the first 3 games of the season, the Sens had 5 out of a possible 6 pts against Buf, Det & Tor. Then the trip out West… and the losses.. That seemed to suck the good out of the team.. They have to understand the Sens are not in the same class as those elite West teams, yet. As a matter of fact.. only 2 East teams come close to the West.. and that’s Bos & Pitts. I don’t include Mtl as they are too small to play the beasts of the West. Our little Pageau struggled… and times that by about 15 small players for the Habs.

  • MoeDozer

    Chirp, any word on whats going on with Conacher? keep seeing he wasnt seen at practice via twitter. something he is bingo bound others dont because he is not waiver exempt?

  • Sens-613

    Zibanejad – Spezza – Karlsson
    Mcarther -Turris – Ryan
    Michalek – Pageau -Conacher/Hofman Greening -Smith – Neil

    This should be our line up, maybe make a trade or 2 to tweek the line up a little more but ya i could see Karlsson playing on the wing hes an offensive fast skilled puck mover who can pass and score and has explosiveness and lacks defensively and HAS a lil cemestry with SPEZZA. Like look at it this way Brent Burns from the Sharks did it and he is way less more skilled and good with the puck like Karlsson, so if Burns from the sharks made that switch from D to frwd Karlsson can do it 2, all we would need is a good offensive d man to fill that void on D and wer good.

    • Hax

      I’m not sure you want to put a Norris winner at forward. Especially when we’re not really having trouble scoring goals – its more about team defense and team “peskiness”.

      • Sens-613

        He lacks defensively and if he plays forward maybe we can run 4 lines much better and much more productively. it is about peskiness and defense but we need to make changes on our back end. If bryan murry can get 2 defense men who are experianced hard workers i can see us doing quite good, maybe another forward as well.

        • MoeDozer

          Karlsson is barely 6ft and 180lbs soaking wet… you want him to try being pushed arround by 6’4+ dmen from other teams?

          he has never played forward at any pro level and never will.

          • Sens-613

            what are you talking about there are many players who can do it

            Brendon Gallager 174lbs 5”8ft
            Nathan Gerbe 173lbs 5’5ft
            Brian Gionta 174lbs 5’7ft
            Martin St.Louis 179lbs 5′ 8ft
            Micheal Cammalleri 5’8 – 182

            Brad Marchant 181 lbs 5’9ft
            Connacher 180lbs 5’8ft

        • Hax

          I don’t want to sound like I’m trying to start an argument or anything, but Paul MacLean knows more about hockey than you do. Karlsson’s not going to move to forward.

      • Booster

        Run him at forward, for sure, can’t score on defence, can’t play defence because he’s always up ice and leaves his D partner by himself.

        • Hax

          “can’t score on defence”?

          He leads the NHL in scoring for defensemen. He also leads the Sens in points. So I am trying to figure out what you mean by “can’t score”.

  • Sens-613

    Zibanejad – Spezza – Karlsson
    Mcarther -Turris – Ryan
    Michalek – Pageau -Conacher/Hofman Greening -Smith – Neil

    This should be our line up, maybe make a trade or 2 to tweek the line up a little more but ya i could see Karlsson playing on the wing hes an offensive fast skilled puck mover who can pass and score and has explosiveness and lacks defensively and HAS a lil cemestry with SPEZZA. Like look at it this way Brent Burns from the Sharks did it and he is way less more skilled and good with the puck like Karlsson, so if Burns from the sharks made that switch from D to frwd Karlsson can do it 2, all we would need is a good offensive d man to fill that void on D and wer good.

  • Sens-613

    Zibanejad – Spezza – Karlsson
    Mcarther -Turris – Ryan
    Michalek – Pageau – Conacher/Hoffman
    Greening – Smith – Neil ***

  • Gordon Ramsli

    Wonder if Luke Richardson wants to come play D up here for a bit 44 years old I’d take him at 500k

    • WaitingSince92

      Could you imagine?

      MacLean: We need to call up a Dman. Who do you recommend?
      Richardson: Me

  • CUP 2014-15

    Evening, I am new to this site over the last week as I have been in and out of other sites and find this to be one of good take and give . Just want to say I am a die hard Sens fan, older then most or all of you, had seasons for the first ten yrs at the pall… cor…. center. anyway this season hurts. Don’t know how we got here but…
    Tomorrow night we see the Buds and their sad sack show roll into town. Our rebuild is over and “we are who we are” when the season started I was looking at this night as Toronto being a stepping stone now The Sens face a lesser team in The boys from the big smoke ( that’s for Rob Ford ) and again like the 90′s we face a goaltender that can make us feel like shit on Sunday. We need to kick their F#@king ass, close to whitin five, play the same line-up for the next ten games, put the women and children to bed and go get F#@KING DINNER…GO SENS GO.

    • SenaTHOR

      This team will go as the injury players from last year go.
      Spezza
      9mm
      Karlsson
      Cowen

      Minus 25 between them. For Chr.. Sake play defense and quit coasting.

      • CUP 2014-15

        Yes, this team from last year with those players doing what we believe they should do makes this team great. But the coaching staff needs to give the players some consistency and understand that bouncing the line-up around isn’t working. Mac needs to understand he knows what he’s doing. Trust in himself and pick a damn line-up and go. Spezz your playing with 1 and 2 and so on, let get it done….

        • SenaTHOR

          I’m sure he is being told to play certain players that maybe should be sitting and sitting some that should be playing. I think his hands are tied by the GM,

          • CUP 2014-15

            If so we’re in trouble. you can’t be a Jack Adams award winner as a puppet or your not the real Jack Adams winner, Let the coach coach, I hope your wrong. I get it for a game or two for a player to show to an organization but were 30 games in.

          • SenaTHOR

            Speculative just like the other people on this board. Coached a lot of hockey in my younger days.

          • CUP 2014-15

            I am sure he is getting some direction as this team has to be looking for a top six forward and some players need to be shown so I get that but man watching every team ahead of the Sens you know who is playing with who almost to a tee. Consistency…

  • WaitingSince92

    I think that Alfie leaving has more to do with our teams’ struggles than
    we as fans would like to admit. Obviously, he’s not the sole reason for our
    struggles. However (and I’m NOT Spezza-bashing), I would wager that Alfie’s presence in the dressing room would not only establish a calming, experienced, professional, reassuring veteran presence, but put just a little pressure.

    Seeing the way Alfie plays the game (complete, well-rounded and determined) holds all the other players, no matter the skill level, to the same standard of effort. It puts some pressure on everyone to play hard.

    I don’t think it’s a conscious thing, or that players would even notice/admit it, but anyone here who has played any level of competitive hockey knows what it’s like to see a teammate giving everything they have out on the ice. Spezza doesn’t play the game the same way. This isn’t a knock on him, but if I could sum the difference up in a few words, I’d say Spezza reaches for the puck and Alfie skates and takes it.

    • Hax

      Agree completely. Not the only reason by a long shot but Alfie’s leadership is a huge hole to fill. Look at Chara’s first year as captain in Boston – he struggled mightily. Spezza can sort this out with help from Phillips, Neil and some others. But it will take some time.

      Of course too many Sens fans have the attention span of a sugar-addled 10 year old so I guess we should all just panic instead.

  • Sandy

    Off topic.. but this is an interesting read. This guy is crazy.

    http://www.ottawasun.com/2013/12/06/commodore-rips-babcock-arniel-for-piss-poor-treatment

    Watching Col vs Min… Why can’t the Sens play with the intensity that the Jackets do? That’s what’s missing, the intensity and drive. I want the team back that beat Boston, Detroit x2, Montreal… It seems to have disappeared.

    • WaitingSince92

      Pretty juicy stuff in that link (thanks). Really makes Babcock out to be a particularly vindictive prick. Wonder if he’ll respond.

      • SenaTHOR

        Commodore was always a plug and obviously not that smart to boot! Bad combo. Who knows if he came to camp in shape etc. Babcock has a rep of playing fast skaters and hard workers. Commodore is neither.

      • Sandy

        What he said about Arniel is just crazy.. The coach was jealous therefore I did not play?

      • spezzerman

        Vindictive prick? He didnt play a shitty player. That isn’t vindictive, its smart. Blathering on about how everyone screwed you to russian newspapers is vindictive.

  • Sandy
  • Floridasensfan

    Well they need to bring it harder and longer than in Tampa if we are going to beat the Laughs.

    • Sensturion

      That’s… what she said?

  • Richard Gough

    I do think its time to start trimming off the dead fat from this team send Michalek packing along with Phillips ,Nail and Anderson Trade Cowen to Dallas for Oleksiak and draft pick try to land a mid rd 1st in this yr draft and a few 2nds and 3rds

    Then the Sens should really consider setting there eyes on the 1st over all next season in hopes to draft there new franchise player Conner McDavid

    Top line
    Ryan. Spezza. McDavid

  • jasonontheoldsenschirp

    I hate to say it, but the Sens are going to get blasted by the Leafs tonight. We don’t stand a living chance. Heck, it’s pretty much another away game.

    This team blows