Senators Desperately Need a Spark

SensChirp November 26, 2013 252
Senators Desperately Need a Spark

After another disappointing and listless loss in Carolina on Sunday night, the Ottawa Senators find themselves reeling a little bit right now.

On Saturday in Detroit, they looked inspired and that there might be some signs of finally  starting to turn the corner a little bit.  But then less than 24 hours later, it was another brutal effort in Carolina.  This team has become nearly impossible to predict and with the outright losses (no loser point even) piling up, the Senators are digging themselves a hole that will soon become too deep to crawl out of.

Heading into Tuesday’s action, Ottawa currently sits six points back of the Montreal Canadiens for the eighth and final playoff spot in the Eastern Conference.  With more than 50 games left in the season, there is still plenty of time for Paul MacLean’s team to get things turned around but it has to start soon.  Stats suggest that teams that find themselves in an early hole have a heck of a time making up any ground, especially with so many three point games.  The website Sports Club Stats currently has the Sens at a 27.8 percent chance to make the playoffs.

Not ideal.

There has been plenty of talk about trades lately.  The team needs help both up front and on defence, although right now the backend is the more pressing concern.  Murray has been extremely active on the phones as of late but his options are limited by the internal budget.  Michael Del Zotto is the name that seems to be coming up most often.  The Senators have also looked at the possibility of bringing in a winger to play with Jason Spezza but they may be able to fill that need in-house if they just give Mika Zibanejad some time to build chemistry with Michalek and Spezza.

A call up would be the other option but there aren’t many options defensively.  Chris Wideman and Cody Ceci are both having pretty good seasons but neither really seems like much of an upgrade right now.  Mike Hoffman and Jean Gabriel Pageau have both been terrific for the Binghamton Senators but with the team already carrying 23 players, it’s tough for Murray to bring someone up right now.

Whatever route they end up choosing, one thing is abundantly clear- the Ottawa Senators need a spark.  They’ll play three times this week starting with a game in Washington on Wednesday night, a home game against the Canucks on Thursday and then the Alfie return on Sunday.  The Sens have to find a way to pick up some points in those games, otherwise they may find themselves out of the playoff race by the time the New Year rolls around.

  • -Big news in Canadian TV this morning as the National Hockey League announced a new deal with Rogers related to exclusive National broadcasting rights beginning next season.  The deal means that Sportsnet and CBC become the only two national broadcasters with TSN left out in the cold.  Surprising and somewhat disappointing news as I always found that TSN had the best broadcasts of the three.  It will be interesting to see what this means for TSN’s on-air talent and where they ultimately end up.  Details of the announcement are here and a “sample” Saturday night schedule here.

The Daily Chirp- As mentioned above, lots of talk of New York Rangers defenceman Michael Del Zotto as a potential trade target for the Senators.  One player rumoured to be of interest to the New York Rangers is prospect Mark Stone.  It’s unlikely that’s enough to get a deal done but he is apparently one of the players the Rangers are interested in.

  • Doc

    Huge fan of that broadcasting deal. No more blackouts!

    • Tooks

      Yeah no kidding!

    • Eric

      I can’t stand Sportsnet’s on-air talent, but no blackouts and game streaming on their website… how can you not like that!?!?! I hope we’ll keep seeing Bobby Mac, Miller, Dreger and Duthie. They are far and above Sportsnets NHL panel.

      • Doc

        I actually like Dean a lot, but yeah, the biggest factor is the blackouts for sure.

        Sucks for Habs fans in regards to RDS, but all in all I think this deal will be better for everyone in the long run.

  • SenaTHOR

    I’m not to sure that the CBC contract is a good thing. I think competition is good. The last time I checked CBC was partially publicly subsidized. Does this mean the government will be in for more money or will it be self sufficient. Doesn’t seem fair to TSN if they aren’t subsidized.

    • Robert Lepage

      It’s not an even slate. CBC has a mandate, legislated by the government, to broadcast certain content. This limits what they can do, and effectively prohibits them from broadcasting certain material that private industry has access to. They also broadcast in areas that are simply not profitable for private enterprises (such as the North). Apples and Oranges.

      • The Plaupper

        CBC should not be permitted to bid with tax payer dollars. Your company already sucks $1.1 billion a year on shows nobody watches, and when they do, they’re so heavily slanted to the left, it’s sickening. If they want air their own shows then they should create actual sustainable shows that people want to watch, after that they can generate their own revenue and bid for packages like this.

        If they want to show news in Iqaluit then so be it, they have no business bidding on something that private industry can actually air and make their own money on.

        • Robert Lepage

          You do know that most private broadcasters also receive taxpayer subsidies, right? Did you know that Sun News received $500 million in taxpayer subsidies? Are you willing to remove that money from them in order to make it fair and equitable for everyone?

          As for left leaning slant, what are you talking about? Would you prefer that they just not report anything on the senate scandal or election fraud? Perhaps you would prefer a hug-fest about how Rob Ford’s alcoholism and drug use, and complete waste of taxpayer dollars, is actually the fault of elitist commie scum?

          • The Plaupper

            I didnt realize Sun news was broadcasting hockey… Yes, I would rather they go away too. Tax payers shouldn’t subsidize any tv stations. The best part is the hypocrisy espoused by CBC when they complained to the CRTC about it.

            CBC is notorious for their left leaning slant, their entire existence depends upon tax payers, as a result they need to support their bread and butter and thus lean to the left… Enjoy your job there while it lasts. Hopefully the next conservative government will reduce their funding further.

          • Robert Lepage

            If they are notorious about it, I’m sure you can provide reliable evidence to support your statement? Oh, you’re about to quote Sun News? Isn’t that quaint…

            I particularly like how you think I work at the CBC. That tin-foil hat is getting a bit tight.

          • The Plaupper

            Like I said, they only exist because the government GIVES them money, so as a result, the further they lean left (you know the guys who support them) then the more they get from their cash cow. Their existence is fundamentally tied to government.

          • Robert Lepage

            The Plaupper wrote: “Like I said, they only exist because the government GIVES them money, so as a result, the further they lean left (you know the guys who support them) then the more they get from their cash cow. Their existence is fundamentally tied to government.”

            So in the absence of evidence, you conjure a conspiracy theory that is unsubstantiated with any shred of reality.

            Maybe you didn’t realise this, but the current government is right-wing…

          • Chewbacca S. Lewis

            “The CBC is fighting back against Quebecor’s attacks on its $1-billion in annual federal funding, accusing the private broadcaster of receiving $500-million in public subsidies over the last three years without being accountable to taxpayers.”

            “Quebecor rejected the CBC’s $500-million figure as a lie, adding it had referred the matter to its lawyers.”

            “The CBC explained its $500-million figure by pointing to $200-million in federal and provincial funding and tax credits related to Quebecor’s television programming, as well as $13-million from the Canada Periodical Fund for its magazine. Finally, CBC argued that Quebecor saved $333-million in wireless spectrum costs by receiving a set-aside portion in an auction at a below-market rate.”

            camon

          • Robert Lepage

            That’s $500 million of money that Québecor did not pay. So who do you think ended up footing the bill?

          • The Plaupper

            Exactly, the government should not have had to pay for Sun News… where did I see that? and why did you change the subject, we’re talking about TSN, you know a station that can actually sustain itself because it has a SUPERIOR product

          • KJ

            Oh., You mean a station which is owned by Bell Enterprises, which is not also subsidized? Bell Takes subsidies from the CMF to provide Canadian Content, just as other stations do. Hockey Night in Canada has been a mainstay on CBC since 1952, and here are some fast facts for you over the past year.

            http://www.cbc.ca/revenuegroup/hockey-night-in-canada.html
            Over the course of the season, HNIC reached almost 10 million or 67% of A25-54!

            This past season, HNIC either maintained or improved its audience for A25-54 versus the 2011-12 season

            HNIC reached 63% of W25-54 vs. TSN’s 47% over the 2013 season

            HNIC Prime East/ West owns Saturday night. CBC’s 27% share for A25-54 is 4 times that of CTV’s share (6%)

            During the Hockey season CBC.CA/ Sports delivers a large exclusive online audience – 58% exclusive total Unique Visitors vs. TSN.ca

            So, with those numbers its not surprising CBC is still broadcasting hockey on Saturday nights.

        • Liam Shaw

          “If they want to show news in Iqaluit then so be it, they have no business bidding on something that private industry can actually air and make their own money on.”

          So they shouldn’t air things that they can make money on?

          “If they want air their own shows then they should create actual sustainable shows that people want to watch, after that they can generate their own revenue and bid for packages like this”

          So they should air things that they can make money on?

          • The Plaupper

            Yep! And not steal tax payers money while they’re at it! You know like other TV stations that are sustainable.

          • Mat

            Oh man, time to disconnect the account and create a new one. Clean slate. You’re going nowhere fast…

      • Chewbacca S. Lewis

        I’d really like to see some actual figures on the fourfold return of every $1 invested. From their own annual report it seems like most of their money comes from the government and the advertising revenue doesn’t even come remotely close to how much we subsidize it. In a conservative government i’m surprised that we are allowing a heavily government subsidized entity outbid a private business to essentially knock them out of the picture.

        http://www.cbc.radio-canada.ca/site/annual-reports/2011-2012/achievements-2.html

        Government funding – 62.8% of 1.8 BILLION dollars

        • Robert Lepage

          Feel free to argue about it with the auditors at Deloitte.

          • Chewbacca S. Lewis

            http://www.cbc.ca/news/arts/cbc-contributes-3-7b-to-economy-study-1.999030

            Among the measureable benefits identified were:

            - CBC commissions led to $1.12 billion in independent production in 2010.

            - CBC creates depth in the production sector by commissioning a wide range of genres.

            - CBC helps improve competitiveness and provide opportunities for exports in the independent production sector.

            - CBC regional and local activities contribute to local economies and creative clusters in many Canadian cities, including small markets such as Halifax, Moncton and Winnipeg.

            - CBC implements new technologies which are later adopted by other broadcasters and the wider creative sector.

            CBC president Hubert Lacroix said the public broadcaster commissioned the report so it could prove to Canadians that they are getting value for their tax dollars.

            __________________________

            I’m glad they need to “prove” to us that they’re valuable. CBC President commissions Deloitte to provide a report that they’re indeed valuable. Hmmmm…. wonder how much that cost.

            “According to a Deloitte study commissioned by the CBC, the crown corporation generated $3.7 billion in economic spin-offs in 2010. More specifically, if the crown corporation had been a private business without federal subsidies, the Canadian economy would have lost $1.3 billion, again according to this study.
            But it must be said that this kind of study is to economics what astrology is to astronomy. In Deloitte’s defence, as these things go, this particular study is very well done. The problem is that from the outset, it is founded on premises that are fundamentally unsound.”

          • Robert Lepage

            Is there a source to that last quotation, or are the quotation marks at the end of the paragraph a typo? If the former, I’d be interested in reading the whole bit.

            But you’re venturing down a very slippery slope. You are essentially stating that Deloitte’s reputation can be bought and that their analysis is fraudulent– and reputation for objectivity in the auditing world is paramount. Is this your sentiment?

          • The Plaupper

            Obviously you’re a huge fan of the LCBO as well… they produce BILLIONS for the economy too, the only issue is that they have a monopoly on products made by others and served to it’s own taxpayers, much like CBC.

            You only pay higher prices, less service, fewer choices, fewer ways of obtaining alcohol etc etc. But, they produce money for the economy right?

  • Jacques

    Stone just scared he’ll turn into a John LeClair – Tim Kerr type of scorer. Greening for Del Zotto. That would help both teams I think and the Money matches.

    • Jacques

      Oops money only matches starting next year. Have to be Condra+Greening to make things pretty even. Well, How would people feel about that. It opens up some spots up front.

      • Tooks

        Doubt the Rangers would want 4th line players, they have enough of them as it is.

        • Jacques

          I think we might be over valuing Del Zotto a bit too. As always Tookie, if he ain’t a Leaf he ain’t worth shit. I bet a Gardiner for Rich Nash trade is about what you expect for your D-man who barely plays.
          Before we got Ryan – Tooks would say oh at least 4 pieces to get him. Now , wouldn’t be surprised if Ryan could be had for Kulemin and Gardiner. You see things through Leaf coloured glasses dude.

          • boom

            Yeah, because Tookie pointing out that the Rangers would not want more 4th liners is further proof that he’s a leafs fan.

            Do you buy your logic at The Dollar Store?…

          • Jacques

            Listen Tookie,s other account – Greening is a depreciating commodity and so is Del Zotto. Greening is a big type body that would be good for the Rangers. Hell OK greening and Conacher than.

          • Jacques

            Cuz your MOMMY told me u had a Leaf Blanky on you bed.

          • Millennium

            Your an idiot. Go home.

          • Tooks

            What do the Rangers and Sens have to do with the Leafs??

            You are obsessed with the Leafs man. Give it a rest. You asked for opinions, I gave you one, you dont like it, proceed to call me a Leaf fan, lol typical.

    • boom

      The money may match, but the talent doesn’t. Del Zotto is still highly regarded. Greening, not so much.

  • sens23

    i dont see stone going anywhere other then being called up to the sens the second a roster spot opens up. he is a point per game player since coming back from injury playing on the 3rd line in bingo.

    id say waive condra and ice a line up that looks like

    michalek-spezza-zibanejad
    macarthur-turris-ryan
    conacher-smith-stone
    greening-grant-neil

    • LeafsSux

      I voted down this cause of Stone. There is 3 other guys id call up rather than him. Hoffman to start then Da Costa. Just saying

  • ottawasensfan

    Does anyone have an idea as to whether the new television deal is good for the Senators?
    It sounds like regional rights will be greatly reduced (I’m guessing a lot of games are going to be played Wed, Sat and Sunday and thus covered by this contract). Will Sportsnet still be interested in the regional rights to the Senators games moving forward?
    While it looks like a good payday for the TV deal, I am assuming that the money will be divided between the 30 teams (is that a correct assumption?) and I am wondering how this will impact the total amount of money the Senators will get from TV. Will it go up substantially or are they going to lose a great deal on its regional broadcasting rights? Anyone know what they get now for their regional contract with Rogers?

  • NickofTime

    The Sens have put themselves in a tough position & BM has to take some of the responsibility for it. Why the hell did he sign Corvo, just to have him sit in the press box & take up some of that valuable limited budget money? Why are they after Del Zotto who is playing so poorly himself when they have 8 defencemen in Ottawa? He certainly isn’t an upgrade. Melnyk has to help BM out of this mess, he has to let him make a deal & increase the budget a little & get rid of a couple of guys. The best deal out there that would help the Sens out right now is for a goal scorer & I suggest Fleischmann, if Florida will take back some players/money & Tallon has said they would. Fleischmann is the best goal scorer available & he has another yr on his contract which would be insurance if Michalek walks.
    While I like Zibanejad he is still very young & learning the game while Fleischmann is an experienced scorer & scoring is exactly what Ottawa needs. Giving up Stone for Del Zotto would be a huge mistake, I would rather see Puempel traded first, but not for DZ who I think is on his way out of the NHL. Conacher & Condra have to go & BM could add a 2nd to entice Tallon to trade Fleischmann. Conacher can’t score & we have plenty of defensive forwards which are all bigger & tougher than Condra. If Melnyk doesn’t budge it could be too late by the end of the weekend.

    • Tooks

      We dont need more scoring, thats not going to help our D problems. Del Zotto is an upgrade obviously, he can skate and move the puck, something Cowen, Gryba and Phillips havent been able to do this year. Puck is like a grenade for them.

      • Senators Pundit

        I’ve gotta agree with the Took-man on this one. Scoring is not a need for this team. How many games have we put up 3 or more goals this season only to get outscored due to a couple preventable defensive breakdowns?

        The only thing we need is D, work-ethic, and consistency in our lines.

        I do think we can still make a deep run with this same team, just not in 2013-2014.

        • Mat

          Actually, our problem with scoring is that it mainly happens on 1.5 lines out of 4. If that line is not going, you end up with games of 1 goal or none (see Columbus, Philly, Carolina, Edmonton, Ana x2, Buffalo).

      • NickofTime

        I beg to differ, Ottawa does not need another small, soft ,below average defenseman that the Rangers are over valuing hoping to screw someone into taking. I think BM will wait until Corvo is gone, Phillips is retired & Ceci is ready for the NHL before taking on another D & that could be next season. The problem with our defence is getting the puck out of their zone, they have to make better decisions & easier plays to get it out . Instead of constantly trying to force plays that are not there like Spezza & Karlsson always do. They need to stop forcing it & manage the puck better by making the easy play/pass to the open player. Stop giving the puck away.

        If the Turris line isn’t scoring they lose a lot of close games. Michalek, Spezza, Zibanejad & Conacher are not scoring & these guys are paid to score, they are the problem, secondary scoring is the problem. Bringing in a guy like Fleischmann who is a veteran, a good puck handler who could help bring the puck out of their end, he is a good playmaker & a goal scorer would change this team completely & help their defence. Defencemen are too expensive & Fleischmann is affordable & available, I would go with that option first.

    • Doc

      What baffles me is why sign Corvo to the exact same contract Benoit got in Colorado? Benoit can actually play some defense as well as put up some points.

      • the dude

        From what I heard, pretty sure they talked about this on Sportsnet during one of the last Sens games is that BM did offer Benoit approx. the same deal he received from Colorado. Benoit, made the decision to leave thinking he would get more icetime in Colorado. Therefore, even Benoit thought that Cowen, Gryba and Wiercioch were on the rise and ready to take on bigger minutes as did BM and most of the fans. If he could see the future, I’m sure Benoit would have stayed in Ottawa.

        • Luc Wolfe

          I wouldn’t be surprise to see him come back in Ottawa one day.

      • Mat

        Maybe they were intentional about getting a veteran? Who knows, it’s a good question.

    • sens23

      the biggest blunder Bryan Murray made this summer was letting benoit walk and then signing corvo to the exact contract benoit got in colorado. only to have benoit put up 11 points so far this season and corvo live in the press box

  • Sensturion

    Le Droit is reporting that the Rangers have asked the Sens for Marc Methot. Not sure if that’s for Del Zotto.

    • Senators Pundit

      To state the obvious, that would be an epic mistake.

      • Luc Wolfe

        I’ve heard Methot or Neil, I’m not that desperate. But Condra, Grenning, Gryba, Conacher or Pageau I wouldn’t made. The sad part is that they are all great individuals, but this is the sad part of the sport sometimes you need to do moves you don’t like. Also these players might get a spark by playing else where, except against ottawa. :)

      • SensChirp

        Agreed. Not happening.

    • Jacques

      Rangers F-Off hope Bryan hung up quick. Sather thinks we’re dummies.

    • KJ

      Sens aren’t trading Methot away. He is becoming or is already apart of the leadership group

    • Miguel

      the answer to NY should only be a dial tone… screw you NY and DZ

  • Phoenix

    I am torn on the broadcast deal. Its great for the owners and the league but no so great for the little guy like me who know on a strict budget has to decide to pony up the money to get Sportsnet added to the satellite package. At least with TSN it was included in the basic packaging. If its not added then the non blackouts become irrelevant.

    Now as for Del Zotto, I am not sure he is the complete answer to your defense. He is still young enough to rebound and learn but is he the net clearing guy we could use. The other thing to consider is that his actual salary is 2.9 million and needs to be resigned. It would be hard to justify paying him more than Methot. At 900k and a UFA I wonder if Murray would look at a guy like Tom Gilbert in a package deal with Mathias.

    • Alcatraz

      Absolutely the same can be said for me who subscribe to Rogers Cable, I had to pay extra to get TSN while Sportsnet was all included

      It comes down to Bell vs Rogers and Rogers won. Blame Bell, don’t blame NHL, and this has nothing to do with the little guy lol

      • Phoenix

        Can’t really blame Bell either. The only choice I have out west in rural AB is Shaw or Bell for satellite and Shaw was nearly twice the cost of Bell for a similar package. Again tight budget. Hopefully its something that Bell takes into account with their packaging moving forward.

  • 4thStringGoalie

    For the Benoit vs Corvo debate, Shawn Simpson suggest on the last pre-game that maybe Benoit would have rather signed with Colorado than Ottawa because where he fell on the depth chart in Ottawa. At the start of the year, Karlsson, Methot, Cowen, Weiricoch , Philips and probably even Gryba were higher on the depth chart. No to mention guys in the minors they will want to get some NHL game action.

  • RUSH RLZ

    Per Dregs:
    @DarrenDreger
    No match between Sens and NYR on Del Zotto. Told Ott made Gryba, Greening and Condra available. Fit wasn’t right for NYR.

    • Jacques

      Yes, but they’re talking so you never know! THings like this sometimes become a bigger deal.

      • sprucesens

        i’d give all 3 for DZ. not because I think he’s that good, but because those 3 are that bad. lol. I do like gryba though, he’s the main piece going that way in that deal.

    • Mat

      Man that has to suck for those three players… not like they are not on twitter.. But hey, maybe it will light a fire under their asses.

  • Alcatraz

    For those bashing Tookie saying Rangers dont want our 4th liners its true lol

    Dreger just reported saying the Sens made Greening, Gryba and Condra available for Del Zotto they said no

    Obviously. We over value our players and udner value others

    • Luc Wolfe

      Hey I understand that Del Zotto is more valuable then those guys, I’m not ready to give away Neil or Methot for him. Why didnt he offer Michalek?

      • Sensturion

        We can’t afford to trade a top 6 player (despite the fact he isn’t playing like one) for a defenseman.

        • Millennium

          That’s debatable given the state of our defense. I still wouldn’t do MM for DZ, but in general, moving him for a good top 4 Dman is more than doable, and might be one of our only options

          • Jacques

            the money for the Rangers doesn’t match up – taking on 6 million and 2 going the other way.

    • Millennium

      If we are currently overvaluing those 3, I’d hate to see what they’re actually worth :p

      Kidding aside, you’re right. NYR can get better than Greening or Condra for DZ.

    • Jacques

      Alcatraz – every team does. Del Zotto has dwindled done to what??? A month ago, everyone on here was saying wow great signing Greening – I thought otherwise but HELL. Last year I said we should trade Anderson cuz his value was sky high and everyone jumped done my throat. See there are highs and lows. Right now the Rangers are trying to get value on what Del Zotto was not on what he has become(or what is perceived by his start to this year).

      • Tooks

        Del Zotto’s play has nothing to do with his benchings (could he have played better, ofcourse), Vigneault has come in and he doesnt utilise MDZ, every coach has his whipping boys, some players dont respond to certain coaches. Its called a change of scenery, obviously Greening and Condra need one so does MDZ.

        If all it takes is Stone + one of G/C/G, do it now. If they just want Stone, do it up! If they want Stone + Zib or one of our better prospects, dont do it.

  • SensChirp

    Dreger suggesting that the Senators made Greening, Condra and Gryba available in a deal for Michael Del Zotto. Rangers not biting.

    • ghost of Moose Vasko

      It’ll take one of G/C/G and a top prospect (Lazar/Ceci/Puemple) to pry Del Zotto away from the NYR

      • Jacques

        No Lazar or Ceci that would be suicide, and Puempel seems to be coming out of his bubble. Stone and one of the three from Dreger I could live with(although like I said earlier-Stone could become something). I would like to keep Gryba cuz Big right hand shot who is physical is a valuable asset.
        I would still give Ceci a look-see first but I guess we can’t bring somebody up till we unload a couple of players. What a mess.

      • Tooks

        Gryba or Greening + Stone for MDZ….DO IT NOW!

    • Tooks

      Neither would I…Thats alot of crap.

    • Miguel

      not that I want to overvalue our guys, but I do not think that they made all three available fo a D-man that is sitting and cant crack their lineup.
      Personally BM screwed up on Greening, but Condra to his defense, is still doing what he has always done, play great defensive hockey, and be a nice player to play with. He Zibby and Grant did looked good together, but he will never be a top 6 player, but should be a solid bottom 6.
      Gryba I too think has potential, and may be better than DZ in a few years, but Greening I am afraid was misdiagnosed as a top 6, so yes throw him in as part of any deal

  • Alcatraz

    I’d have no problem doing Stone for MDZ

    Stone is a work in progress, he’s a project prospect. Many times players light up junior then can’t transition to NHL.

    Stone has now had what 3 camps? 2 years where he was basically given an opportunity to crack lineup and he didn’t

    Id much rather move forward with Lazar, Puemple, Zibanejad, Pageau, Hoffman up front as prospects while knowing our defense for years will have Karlsson, Methot, Ceci, Del Zotto and a hit or miss Cowen/Weircioch

    • sens23

      how many camps has hoffman had to crack the line up and still cannot get it done. 5 camps now. hoffman didnt even put up the same points stone did in junior and you rank him higher then stone?
      stone has only had 2 camps to crack the roster and only was sent down this year due to roster constraints
      i think if the sens can find someone to take hoffman off their hands for a marginal return they should do it. hoffman is quickly becoming the next corey locke

      • Tooks

        Hoffman can skate.
        Stone cannot.

        • LeafsSux

          And Score. I watch the B Sens on a daily basis and this dude flat out has wheels! Can you tell im a big fan of Hoffman. ;)

        • WaitingSince92

          I would even go so far as to say Hoffman has incredible wheels, even at the NHL level. Stone (oddly enough given his name) has better hands though.

        • sens23

          yeah you are right guys who are average skaters have never made an impact in the NHL

      • laffin681021

        Hoffman is actually having a pretty good year down there in Bingo, and he deserves a shot soon IMO.

  • Andersonfan41

    Rostislav Klesla on waivers
    Should Murray put a claim in?

    • Alcatraz

      $2.95 mill says no

    • Phoenix

      I don;t think so. Not at the nearly 3 million he has for a salary.

    • SensChirp

      Will he work for free?

      • Andersonfan41

        Don’t know you would have to ask him! lol

  • ghost of Moose Vasko

    Will this new super TV deal with Rogers solve Melnyk’s financial problems ?
    Or at least some of them ?

    • Alcatraz

      no

      • ghost of Moose Vasko

        heavy SIGH

    • Jacques

      It should put about 10 million a year in his pockets – hope he doesn’t spend it on hookers! lol

      • Alcatraz

        half will go to players share of revenue half to owners share. Players share will go towards salaries and all the stuff outlined in cba like trainer costs massages etc

        The other half will go to owner for the team purposes (arena upgrades, casino financing) so roughly 2.65B to owners…2.65B to players. Per team that works out to $7.3 million each year. Now this isn’t new money keep in mind, because TSN were already paying rights, and same were Sportnet East to Ottawa.

        So don’t expect Melnyk to think he struck gold here with deal. It probably gives him a mil or 2 extra per year, but probably less regional advertising revenue

    • spezzerman

      Not as well as having the fans actually support the team. 3000-4000 unsold tickets each night translates to about 8M per year (at estimated $50 per ticket) in lost revenue that could be used towards player salaries. But yeah, lets just find another billionaire willing to give away NHL hockey to undeserving fans.

  • Yojimski

    What the sens could do is dress corvo as a winger with 1G and 4A more then greening has and tied with condra then dress kassian being 6-4 232lbs in front of the net thats a big guy to try and move it dosent hurt to try instead of trading prospect right away

    • Mat

      See! Now that’s outside the box thinking!! Can you replace Dave Cameron? He seems to only want to repeat what doesn’t work..

      • Yojimski

        Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. Exactly what Dave Cameron suffers from

  • Alcatraz

    Any leaks on the Sens white heritage jersey? Will it be the same as current but in white, or do you think they fo retro and actually put the parliament logo on it?

    • SensChirp

      Same as current but in white

  • Tooks

    Geezus give them Mark Stone, guy is only a mid level prospect.

  • aegiszx

    So with this new TV deal then… the Leafs, owned by Rogers, will get even more coverage and air time? Oh, isn’t that dandy… I hate how Sportsnet is regional cant watch Sens or Hawks games, much rather TSN coverage.

    • Alcatraz

      your not reading properly are you lol..no more blackouts

  • Tom P

    Throw in Stone and Greening for all I care, just address the team needs and as of right now it is a 3/4 D-man and a top 6 forward. Stone as much hype and excitement I want to put on him, the reality is he is a mid-level prospect and one we can afford to lose. Greening just got signed to a contract that should of never happened and has not been producing for the first quarter of the season, change of scenery could be good for him. As someone said before having Karlsson, Methot, Del Zotto, Ceci, Boroweicki and either Cowen/ Weircioch for the next however many years, is way more important than hoping a mid level prospect pans out and keeping an expendable Greening around when a Hoffman, Pageau, Grant, Lazar, Da Costa, even Petersson can fill the void of what Greening has been contributing.

    Not trying to create negative vibes or arguments, just what to see this team succeed !

    • Tooks

      Bang on Tom P, but be prepared to be called “Tookie’s 5th account” or is it “6th now?” I dont know…

  • Alcatraz

    Since Rogers has all this money allowing them to buy the Jays and the Leafs and the NHL broadcasting landscape, maybe they can throw a small bill to Euge and get rid of him?

    • Tooks

      Ohhh to have stability…

    • Jacques

      That’s true – hell 350 million is a drop in the bucket and then the SENS would be their DARLING!

  • AlaskanHoser

    Wiercioch and Stone for Del Zotto and a 2nd/prospect?

    Thoughts?

    • AlaskanHoser

      Or switch wiercioch for Gryba.

      • sprucesens

        it could work. gryba and stone for DZ and a mid level pick or prospect.

    • Tooks

      We shouldnt keep Gryba, get rid of the slow moving D’s. Gryba gone, Phillips gone next year, so we would just have Cowen, not so bad.

      • Jacques

        Gryba looks like a track star next to Cowen.

  • Luc Wolfe

    Why do we have this logo again? Is it for a new jersey… next year?

    • Tooks

      Probably fan made.

      • Luc Wolfe

        No the organization used it in the past.

        • Tooks

          Well then its an old logo…

          • Luc Wolfe

            it’s came out the same time as the one on the jersey.

    • Mike

      They were deciding between two logos during the time of the last round of new jerseys. This was the logo that was ultimately not chosen.

      There is a SensChirp post from back then showing this design along with the one that we all know and recognize on our jerseys today.

  • http://bftc-ehm.forumotion.com/ argun31

    Mark Stone + Eric Gryba + Erik Condra for Michael Del Zotto

    get it done Murray!

    • sprucesens

      I would hope we get a pick back in that deal to allow for us including stone. a 2nd would be nice, but a 3rd or even 4th is more likely

    • Sandy

      Would that not be an overpayment. 3 players for one that is a healthy scratch a lot for the Rangers?

  • the dude

    Regarding the NHL/TV deal. Imagine TSN decides to start broadcasting the KHL, would this make the NHL nervous, lure more players to the KHL?

    • Alcatraz

      Not at all. KHL may offer more money, but its Russia, and most players all know of the horror stories of playing in the KHL. TSN broadcasting games in Canada doesn’t change those horror stories

      For example, players stashing cash in their 2nd set of goalie pads, and carrying them with them to practice, because they are fearful of house being robbed. They stash cash because it cost to much money to consistently exchange rubles into CDN dollars, so they build it up until its time. Believe me KHL has to worry about their geographical location before they get lucrative non russian free agents to go there

      • the dude

        Good point, I think what TSN should do to make up for the whole left with no NHL hockey is make a deal with the CHL and start broadcasting junior hockey on regular basis. I would definitely watch that. Go Wolves Go! I grew up in Sudbury but live near Ottawa now so it would be nice to watch OHL hockey on TSN I think.

        • Alcatraz

          Not to be a critic(because I think your right) but did you ever watch CHL games on Sunday nights on Sportsnet?

          • sprucesens

            KHL won’t happen. They’d do AHL, chl ohl and so on before KHL. Because of Russia. Not against Russians or anything, but because of time difference. It would have to be crazy start times or delayed broadcasts here for the games to be on air. They would never be live.

          • Sensnation

            Agreed and who would watch? The prodution costs would outpace their return from the broadcast.

          • the dude

            I currently don’t have Sportsnet, but I did watch it in the past (I thought they aired CHL on Friday nights btw). I use Gamecentre to get my hockey fix now. I do have TSN though.

        • Tooks

          They will probably show more CFL…ugh…Including Red Blacks.

        • Aaron 2.0

          I’m also originally from Sudbury (in Hamilton now). Nothing beats a wolves play-off game!! I’d watch CHL games for sure. I actually generally enjoy CHL games to the NHL.

    • Cassidaus

      On a similar thought, it would be cool if they broadcast SEL games.

  • Tooks

    Come on Murray you old fool!
    Give them Stone!

    This would address an immediate need on D.

    • Alcatraz

      Murray is trying to find a way to get back a pick i bet like a 2nd rounder to help offset the Ryan trade. He’s smart

      Greening, Stone and a 3rd for MDZ and a 2nd would be cool

      • Jacques

        Thats not it he’s trying to get Stepan and Del Zotto for Spezza and Stone – lol! THat would be a heck of a STEPAN-STONE! Just kidding.

        • Tooks

          I like Stepan actually but we would be in a world of hurt if we lost Spezza for Stepan…

          • sprucesens

            yeah, we’d need at least a first pick coming back, maybe a 2nd also. Spezza is much higher in Center rankings, and is a career ppg, also in the playoffs. Also, Spezza not going anywhere, so there is that to consider

        • sprucesens

          lol, nicely done on the pun.
          *slow clap*

    • SensChirp

      Just giving them Stone not enough for Murray as he would also need to unload some NHL salary to fit Del Zotto in.

      • boom

        Maybe include Condra? Open up a spot for Hoffman…

        • Tooks

          Would the Rangers decline a quantity for quality trade?
          I mean IF we would offer all 3 of em + Stone. Just fucking send all of em. I mean If Im the Rangers do I take a shot at getting maybe 1-2 out of the 4 to pan out?

          • Sensnation

            They’ve already turned down a quantity for quality trade, the Rangers have no interest in that so far!

          • boom

            Yeah, why not? I’m real tired of both Greening and Condra. I like Stone more than you, but it may be wishful thinking on my part…

      • sprucesens

        greening, stone for DZ and a pick. or condra instead of greening. but if the rangers aren’t interested in taking any of those players back, that shoots that deal down

        • sprucesens

          I suppose we’d have to send a D for it to make sense. Gryba + Stone for DZ and 2nd Pick?

      • luckan20

        I will not give up Stone for Zotto. Please don’t take me wrong. We need the current roster bunch held accountable. Why can’t PM sit Cowen for at least two games. Play Gryba or Corvo during that time. We need to give message. Paul MacLean saying openly that there is no one to replace Cowen. It is bullshit. Make players aware that no job confirmed.

        I heard in TSN that the talk for Zotto has subsided because BM has been throwing Greening, Condra and Gryba names. Sather must have blocked BM number.

  • Alcatraz

    2 games for Westgarth per Friedman/Chirp/Lavoie. Thats it NHL, you show those lawsuit filing villains that you work hard to protect your players!!!

    • Tooks

      Good amount, first time offender, bla, bla, Boro, no name player, bla, bla, ….

      • Alcatraz

        I personally love the first time offender charge. I mean if got druk, drove and plowed over someone crossing the street, then released a statement saying “I’m sorry it wasn’t my intention” I really hope the DA let me off with a weak sentence since I’m a first time offender lol

        • Tooks

          Yes that is totally the same as hitting someone from behind…minus the car and drunken’ess.

        • Sensnation

          1st time offenders do get reduced sentences in real life too! Though comparing manslaughter to an illegal hockey hit is a bit of a stretch.

      • Jacques

        That idiot Shanahan makes it up as he goes along.

    • sprucesens

      better than nothing

  • Sandy

    Greening & Condra have had good seasons the last two years. Did you ever think they are having a down season? The sophomore slump a year late?
    I don’t want Murray to give up a lot for a defensman that can’t even crack the lineup and sits most games. Someone else’s garbage is still garbage.
    This team played the last 2 seasons under the impression of a re-build. There was no pressure on them to have success.
    This season the pressure is there to make the playoffs and a lot of the players are struggling.. not only Greening & Condra.
    How about Anderson? He has been no where near as good as the past two seasons? Yeah the D hasn’t been good most games but the bad goals he lets in are so unlike him.
    Sad to see that TSN is no longer part of NHL games in Canada. They were Canada’s best in way of on air personalities…
    Sportsnet has a way to go to match them… It’s going to be a tough act to follow…
    CBC was hoping they would go the way of the dodo. I don’t even watch them anymore. I can’t stand Healey and I don’t watch Don Cherry. The only two guys any decent on CBC are Garry Galley & Eliot Freidman… the rest can just disappear.

    • boom

      You lost me after “Greening & Condra have had good seasons the last two years”
      Really?

      • Sandy

        There are a lot of Condra haters on this site.

        But I remember a lot of commenters hear saying Greening was a beast last season. Great job getting him signed. Now he’s struggling he’s garbage basically.

        Is he struggling? Yes.. not going to argue that fact.

        But there is more than him struggling on this team.. do you want to get rid of all of them as well?

        • sprucesens

          I don’t know about everyone else, but in every scenario going forward I have used condra and greening as trade bait, or walk away from or whatever. They were just stop gaps when we had no one left on the roster after started the rebuild. They don’t have a long term future with the team. The only reason they have been here this long, is their first season, they both over achieved, and have done very little since.
          Greening would have been a good signing if it was under the impression he would start playing with grit, and stop being such a nice guy. He has the tools to be effective, but just isn’t contributing, on the stat sheet, or in the grinding hard to play against sense. I know a few people were all on his bandwagon because of decent playoffs. But again, it was a short sample of overachieving.
          greening’s and condra’s roster spots are trying to be made available through trade, to younger harder working players that project to have MUCH higher ceilings, and would now be able to do so on the 3rd line, without having the pressure of being forced into the top 6(ie: Edmonton).
          I also feel smith is available, but for a steeper price, because he is actually playing his role, and playing it well. Grant would be the guy to take his place. He’s not an upgrade, but he’s hardly a downgrade either. But its not likely that both stay on the team for any amount of years, as neither are a good option as a scoring energy 3C, but both are good as grinding 4C’s.
          I would prefer to keep smith, as I feel he is a perfect 4C on this team, but if a team came knocking with a good player coming back, its something we know we can fill with grant.
          sorry about the length of this comment

          • Sandy

            What happens next season if the young guys in Bingo are not ready to play in the NHL.. there is no guarantee. Maybe they struggle.. Are you willing to accept that? Others want to trade a young kid in Stone (who could be a good NHL player.. we don’t know yet, do we) for a healthy scratch on another team? How is that going to make the Sens better?
            Say they trade players who have contracts after this season and have to look at UFA’s to fill spots if the young guys can’t play.
            What UFA, unless it’s an absolute last resort, will want to come to Ottawa to play for an Owner who won’t spend money on the team to keep it competitive. An owner with rumoured financial issues.
            How in the hell are they going to be able to keep Spezza & Ryan both.. Maybe they want to go to a team that has a chance to win or the Owner willing to spend to give them that chance? That’s the rumour why Alfie left?
            Other teams in the NHL lose a heck of a lot more $$ than the Sens.. but their owner still spends on their team.. because they have the financial resources to do that. Melnyk doesn’t have that any more.. or not as much as he used to..
            Once the cap goes up.. and the floor to high for Melnyk to be able to spend.. this team could be in trouble… Or perhaps, better off, if he sells.

            I can’t believe the Sens as a team lose 10M a season average that he says they do…

          • badman1426

            The Sens are not losing money. EM just has other expenses.

          • Jacques

            I agree, and said before they signed these guys,they were good pieces when the cupboards were bare. Hell even Cowick is blossoming into a greening equivalent and he was a 6th rounder. It just goes to show you!

        • SenaTHOR

          It the Bipolars. Happier than shit when they win and in a fn depression when they lose. Its sad that the team is such an obsession for a few.

      • sprucesens

        agreed, neither have anything close to good seasons. They both had way above their caliber playoffs on the stat sheets last year. Unfortunately, I think most GM’s will be aware of this, and it will be a hard sell on either of them. If the team can’t get it together soon, these guys might be sold off for a bargain of a late round pick, to make room for some younger guys on the roster. We’ll see if murray can convince someone to take them!

    • Jason

      And Ron MacLean.

  • Sensnation

    Sens are turning it around, see you all in the playoffs! GO SENS GO!!!

    • Luc Wolfe

      we have a season to play first. Although I enjoyed the leafs beating last night.

      • Sandy

        The Leafs have defensive issues as well.. getting outshot most of their games.

        But their goaltenders have been standing on their heads.. and their forwards have been outscoring the opposition.. so it was kind of masked their deficiencies.

        But I too loved last night. Can’t remember the Columbus player who went after Kadri and started punching him.. Kadri wasn’t going to drop his stick. I loved that part.

        • Sensnation

          Haha, so true Sandy, Kadri looked pretty sad during that exchange!

      • Sensnation

        Agreed, their regular hot start to seasons should start slowing down right about now. Great to see Columbus hand it to them like that!

  • Jari Beef Kurri

    If we’re gonna throw prospects and 4th liners at a team, I’d rather it be to Florida for Campbell. I know, his contract is too high. Probably have to throw MM9 in to even come close. I just think, given what we really need, that Campbell has to be the big target.

    • Sensnation

      I like Campbell, but the salary he commands is as much or more than it should cost for 2 dmen, and he’s most efficient when he is the main PP QB, which we already have in Karlsson. If somehow Florida would eat some of his salary though, I’m all for it!

      • sprucesens

        I think we’d have to give up too much to get him, and would hurt our future for it. We do have talent in the system, just no room to bring them up.

      • Mike

        The Senators passed on Campbell (or more likely, vice versa) when he was available as a free agent a few years; I doubt he’d end up a Senator now.

    • Jacques

      Kulikov should be our target he won’t go back to The KHL that’s bullshit. If you want Campbell , well Michalek or Spezza would be going other way in some blockbuster deal. So the dollars would a matchup.

  • FAB
  • the dudeman

    Fantastic news, CBC won’t exist in 20 years.. it’s only money maker is being phased out. Bye Healy!

    • Robert Lepage

      It’s been around for 77 years so far, what makes you think it’ll be phased out?

      • the dudeman

        any station that employs the biggest fraud the country has ever created, david suzuki should get the axe.

        make any new plays lately?

        • Aaron 2.0

          Every major network has employed some questionable people. CTV employed Mike Duffy. And, Sun gave Ford his own show (albeit abruptly canceled). By those standards, employing Suzuki doesn’t seem that bad …

        • Robert Lepage

          So, “should get the axe” is a highly personal opinion of a single, anonymous person, and holds no bearing on the well-being of a national broadcasting corporation that has existed for nearly eight decades.

          What’s your beef with Suzuki?

  • Matt ‘The Ace’

    Absolutely ecstatic about the broadcasting deal but saddened about TSN losing out. Also I think Murray should just give up on Kassian already in order to bring someone up from Binghamton.

    • Tooks

      Wont change anything on Defense. whoever replaces Kassian will be playing 4th line and wont make any impact to justify a call up. Plus someone has to go down.

      • sprucesens

        not if the spot is used to bring up Hoffman, stone or other. condra or greening would take the 4th line. The call up hopefully gets the 3rd line spot

        • Tooks

          Adding a player to our bottom 6 wont change anything, we need a top 6 winger, possibly 2 to play with Spezza, not a 3rd liner…

      • Jacques

        You don’t understand the guy wants to get rid of Kassian to bring up a Pageau or Hoffman. Not a guy to play on the 4th line.

      • Matt ‘The Ace’

        It wasn’t to change anyone on Defense. Murray is going to have to look outside of his club. I was thinking of Hoffman or Pageau coming up to help on the secondary scoring situation. It obviously didn’t appear they needed it vs Caps.

  • runningbear1974

    The problem with the Sens is not Wiercicoh, Gryba, Condra, Gryba, Conacher… These guys are all paid appropriately for the service they provide…
    The problems with this team are Spezza, Michalek, Philips, and Cowen…

    • esk

      spezza? has 20 points in 23 games…but is -9

      • Jacques

        Yeah and that -9 is killing us. His line gets killed 90 percent of the nights. We need him to be a plus and TUrris too and hope our other two crappy lines break even. TUrris has upheld his part.

        • Sensnation

          Turris has the better linemates unfortunately for Spezza.

          Spezza is facing adversity for sure, but he has shown the ability to still contribute some even during this difficult no linemate having time. It should look that much better once he finally gets chemistry with someone.

          • aegiszx

            Exactly, that Turris line has remained in tact meanwhile lol Spezza puts up 20 pts with no line mates, now give him some people to actually work with and we’d be singing a different tune

          • Jacques

            Funny every player who’s played with Spezza has seen a drop in his possession numbers and his plus minus. time he looked in the mirror and stopped turning pucks over. every game I can count at least minimum 5 odd man rushes on his account! Some games it’s over 10, it’s ridiculous. Plus, he seems totally lost in his own zone running around. Take a piece of paper and write down what you see each game and you’ll be shocked.

          • MikeS

            Part of that is every player who plays with spezza gets higher quality comp. Other teams still view spezza as number 1 forward threat even with turris playing as well as he is

          • Jacques

            That’s not true not only does TUrris’ line face the toughest competition, they have to take a high number of defensive zone face offs cuz Spezzes lines are inept in their own zone. Imagine if the TUrris line had more offensive zone starts just how good they might be.

          • MikeS

            Watch the games, even though turris line is playing better all round, spezza is still the most dangerous player on this team(besides EK). He has had no one to play with. Last game with zibinajad finally on his wing they were the only line that generated anything all game

          • Jacques

            Dangerous for our team cuz when he’s out there the SENS are defending like hell in their own zone – watch the games carefully BRO – its an adventure when he’s on the ice.

          • Tooks

            Quote from another reader to you.
            “Your an idiot, go home”
            LOL

          • xN1Cx

            All you every post about is how terrible Spezza is. Why don’t you lace it up then Jacques.

            He’s the captain of our team and the face of our franchise. Suck it up.

  • PraiseAlfie11

    Always makes me laugh how some fans see our slumping players as write offs, but opposing players as due from breaking out of their slumps and willing to sell the farm for them.

  • luckan20

    We will come out of the funk, provided Paul MacLean sits some of the guys as he did with Wiercioch, Gryba or Corvo. It is easy to put those three, but I believe we need to sit some of the culprits like Cowen and Greening. Cowen needs to be accountable for his choice of plays. We turn over like what we do every night, even the top notch goalies in NHL will look bad.

    Finally I will not include Stone or Pageau part of any deals. We can’t give away some of our solid drafts and future for an iffy Zotto. Sather should know, if you want to move Zotto to us, we will give you Greening, Condra and 5 year supply of bag of pucks.

  • Zachpraisetheswedes

    My guess for the next sens trade…

    Michalek, Stone and 2014 2nd
    for
    E. Kane

    Rumours are Kane wants out. There were also rumours last year that the Jets weren’t happy with him. I say he’s gone by the trade deadline.

    Sens clearly need a winger for Spezza. The issue has always been dollars for making that trade. This trade would work dollars wise. It would also work players wise because we can and should move Michalek (expiring contract) and we can afford to move Stone because we still have plenty of forward prospects.

    Should work for both teams.

    As for a trade for a defenceman…

    I’m not a fan of DelZotto. We have enough offensive Dmen. Unless Wierchioch goes the other way but I still see him improving so if rather get a player who has a similar game to Methot. Who that is? I don’t know

    • Mat

      Waaaay not enough for E. Kane

      • sprucesens

        yeah, if that’s all it took to land kane, it’d be a done deal by now. While i think stone could be a piece, and michalek to make dollars work, we would need a puempel and maybe a gryba or wiercioch.

        stone, michalek, puempel, gryba for kane and a mid to low level prospect.
        essentially, 2 1sts and a 2nd, and gryba to sweeten the deal. Would love it to happen, but not gonna.

        • Jacques

          To get Kane you’d have to trade Spezza and I’m not against doing that. You can have Zibby centering Kane and I’m OK with that. Then you Pageau centering the third line. Lazar coming next year – we’d be all set. But it would take Spezza nothing less I’m sure if your Winnipeg, and would they even go there – not sure!

      • RUSH RLZ

        Yeah I would guess that we would have to add at least Ceci to that pile…

    • FBP

      Rumour last summer was Ottawa asked about Kane, the Jets demanded Karlsson.

    • Tooks

      LOL gonna need alot more than that for Evander…

  • hq8

    the trade rumor has to light a fire under greening. if it doesnt…..yeesh.

  • SensChirp

    Unless there is a decoy jersey floating around out there, we can say with certainty that the Heritage jersey released on Thursday will be a white version of the current heritage jersey. Getting some amazing reviews from people that have seen it.

    Really looking forward to Thursday’s release.

    • Tooks

      A white version of what we already have…great. Was hoping they would get creative and do something different, not something we already have.

    • senate19

      I can’t help but think from the video on the Sens website that the new heritage jerseys have a “Senators” wordmark across the front instead of the O. Also no shoulder patches.

      The stripe design will remain the same.

      Just my opinion. Still sounds awesome

  • Tom P

    I really wanted to get a jersey this year, and the heritage one coming out is a perfect time to start, just faced with the decision of who to put on it.. Knowing how our budget is, I’m nervous to throw on Ryan which is really sad now thinking about it .. God sometimes it pains me to give Eugene credit cause he “saved the sens” but right how he sucks balls … Sigh

    Any suggestions on the jersey ?

    • FBP

      Karlsson has at least another five years here, right?

    • Tooks

      Dont put any, just leave it blank that way you dont have to worry. Its about the O on the front not the name on the back, can even put your name?

    • runningbear1974

      Turris, Methot, Lehner

    • Alcatraz

      Melnyk
      He said he is never selling the team

    • Millennium

      “Safe” Bets:
      Karlsson
      Spezza
      Lehner

      “Probably Safe” Bets:
      Ryan
      Turris
      Zibanejad

      “Heritage” Bets:
      Neil
      Phillips

  • Kielbasa

    Let’s be honest here…this team needs more than a spark right now. Expectations may have been high to start the season because of the play the young kids put out last year. Unfortunately those expectations have dwindled with each passing game as this team puts in next to no effort. 1 strong line playing hard every game isn’t going to win you many games. Unless other lines, other than the Turris, Ryan and MacArthur line finally show up to play, trading for another player isn’t going to do very much.
    And the broadcasting deal looks good to me. I’m just happy we won’t have to listen to the Torontocentric “know-it-alls” on TSN for much longer.

    • Tooks

      Rogers/Sportsnet will be even more Torontocentric, atleast the Panel was fun to listen to and watch. Hopefully they get hired on.

      • Doc

        I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s the case.

    • RUSH RLZ

      Yeah we do need more than a spark. We got three tough games coming up, and if we blow them all… this will start to look like a Doomsday Scenario.

  • Tooks

    Norah Rose writing the next Gameday post?

    • SensChirp

      Ha! Tried to get her to but all she does is sleep. That girl better start earning her keep.

      • SensChirp

        Actually just waiting on a line up. Should be up shortly.

        • Luc Wolfe

          i heard we weren’t playing tonight

          • Tooks

            Why? cuz of the weather? come on man…Its just snow.

          • sprucesens

            i think he meant the team wasn’t going to be showing up? lol. I could be wrong

          • Luc Wolfe

            no cause we don’t show up half the time…hehe

  • Alcatraz

    Herte’s a question. Does Melnyk have to approve every roster related move? I mean lets say murray said fuck it, and claimed Klesla on waivers. What can Melnyk actually do?

    He can’t revoke the claim? He can fire Murray for going against orders, and in that case, Melnyk just makes himself a huge target in the Ottawa community….Just a thought lol

    • spezzerman

      Here’s another thought – fans should go to games and support the team.

      • SensChirp

        And another thought- more would if they saw the owner making a commitment to winning.

        • Conor_smythe

          you mean like, coming up with a 3 year plan.. and then sticking to that plan?

          • Guest

            ya

        • spezzerman

          Fans here go to games I’m sure but the few hundred who actively participate and the few thousand that actively read make up an insignificant portion of the overall fans base.

          No offense chirp but that is bullshit. Fans saw this team play above and beyond the last two seasons and got better on paper in the off season. ticket sales in the off season should have improved to the point where we aren’t leaving 3000-4000 unsold tickets every game. this is a fickle fan base through and through. Plus – what moves can be made to get us to that contender status everyone had us as in the summer? We are seeing the results of putting a lot of responsibility on a young core that isnt ready for it and the fans are abandoning the team each night by the thousands.

          You can blame ownership if it makes you feel better but I have a hard time blaming ownership solely when fans aren’t maximizing demand.

          • SensChirp

            A large portion of the fan base is loyal and will go no matter what. But yes, there are fans that want to see a winner and a commitment to contending.

            This team had a three year plan. Got better in year one and year two. And then in year three fiscal responsibility became the priority. The dedicated die hard fan will keep going because they love this team but the fickle fan wants a winner.

            Eugene made his choice. Or his financial situation made the choice for him. Either way, it stinks.

          • spezzerman

            that pesky lockout where no revenue was generated and they had to resort to giving tickets away when hockey did start back up again might have impacted that financial decision.

          • SensChirp

            Maybe? But to be honest, I don’t really give a shit. Owners made that decision. Nobody forced them to lock players out. They decided that was a battle worth fighting.

            I want to see my team win. My team was close to winning. And then the Owner had to reel in spending. It’s not that I blame Melnyk. I just wish it wasn’t something we had to worry about.

            I don’t want to care about the financial security of the team. I want them to win games and Stanley Cups.

          • spezzerman

            Me too. But perpetuating this nonsense that fans are off the hook because a billionaire should pony up isnt helping. Maybe you’ve noticed but this team is in a financial crisis every few years no matter who owns it. fans may want to show up when that magical cup contending team shows up but realistically, that ain’t happening unless support is there through good and bad.

            And I guaran-fucking-tee you Melnyk did not want a lockout

          • SensChirp

            Completely agree. And that’s unfortunate. Fan base has always been fickle in this city, as you pointed out. But one way to get more people on board is to contend. But they can’t contend until more people are on board? Tricky situation.

            And for a loyal fan, one that does fork over thousands of dollars to support the team, it’s really unfortunate.

          • spezzerman

            I also fork over thousands each year and its frustrating to no end. But that said, I expect hardships to fall on this team. Imagine three years ago stating that in this 3 year plan we would make the playoffs in 2 of the 3 years? I’d have been extatic. Fact is, we are depending on a young core to carry a team places it isn’t prepared to and the fan base, especially here, want to trade everyone for michael fucking del zottto like he is going to magically make things better. Cowen and Weircioch need time to make mistakes and learn like every other young dman in the league. trading them for guys who done less in more time does not help.

          • Mat

            So what you’re saying is you’re upset at the money you spent and want to see others spend and be upset with you?
            Have you even considered that many people can’t afford the game tickets? Does that make them less of a fan??
            I go a few times a year. Its a hell of treck to hell-hole Kanata but I do it. Spent close to $1000 for 3 games this year. Is that enough? Or do I get my lisence to comment revoked?
            Fans are not in control dude. Players and management are. And players have to play no matter how many people are in the stands. Blogue sites are there for fans to cheer AND vent.

          • spezzerman

            I have no regrets with the money I spend and I am not as upset with the team as many here and everywhere else are. I’m preaching patience, in fact. I am sorry you took my comments personally. If all fans spent $1000 like you and I, we wouldnt have thousands of empty seats each night.

          • sprucesens

            I think the biggest thing is, its not that the team is losing right now that is losing fans. Its the pathetic way they are losing. Its not like its a bad give away and then we lose 3-2. Its the complete non effort from 80% of our lineup. Even in the year that caused us to go into this rebuild, we were playing better hockey, but still losing. Now that we finally have some decent players, and have built on 2 strong seasons, we are neglecting to spend? That’s why fans aren’t showing up. But like chirp said, its a catch 22.
            Gotta produce a good product for fans to show up, gotta show up so they can afford a better team to produce a good product. If the team was hustling hard every night and making an entertaining game to watch, people would still go. Its the lacklustre effort that has been on display since game 1 that has fans not wasting their money. And to a lot of people, the 2nd lockout it 8 years? has left a sour taste in their mouth. I know a few DIE HARD fans that still haven’t gone back to a game since. And they aren’t sens fans(i’m in Edmonton) So there is a lot of variables.
            And yes a trade can help stir things up and turn it around. I seem to recall turris trade causing a huge shake up and us going on a tear…no?

      • Alcatraz

        Heres a thought dont question fans who actually care enough to join a fan online community

  • Jacques

    Maybe they shouldn’t have signed Dufus players(Greening and Condra and Smith) when they had better guys waiting in the wings! That slows a F-ing Rebuild. You secure you’re top guys but keep the other guys evolving – don’t sign these lesser lites to long term deals! Now we’re literally FOOKED!

    • Jacques

      Its like that Seinfeld episode – Who told you to put on a BALM! – Who told you to sign a Greening!

  • Miguel

    It is plainly obvious that he dedicated fan bas is very frustrated.
    No one can possibly have predicted the Sens playing so well in the first two years of the rebuild, and then with all the stars back in the lineup and adding Ryan and MacAruther, that the team play this badly.
    So hence the frustration, but I firmly believe that the struggles fall squarely on the bottom 6, the very weak D-men play of Cowen, Phillips and PW46.
    Every successful team will count on the bottom 6 to chip in on important goals, welll this team goal production on the bottom 6 is atrocious. Add to this that we seem to lose every game once we go down a goal or two, and put more pressure on the top 6, since as I said the bottom 6 is missing in action, and we get many odd man rushes coming back, in which many teams have been able to capitalize.
    I am a loss to exlain the drop off to Greening, Condra, Conacher, Smith, but to me the change will have to come from them, and if it is a trade to make this better then I am all for it.
    prediction for the game tonight…
    if it is Jeckell we win 3-2
    if it Hyde we lose 5-1
    depends on who shows up :)

    • Mat

      Couldn’t agree with you more.
      Our bottom 6 has scored 10 goals (which is 1 less than Ryan’s total and tied with Spezza), while our top 6 has 37 goals. These numbers don’t include Zbad’s numbers since he’s been playing all over the place. Bottom 6 needs to step it up HARD or some bodies need to be shipped out. I will say this, I don’t fault Z. Smith. He’s been consistent all season and generates scoring chances.
      On D, Karlsson and Methot have 9 while Cowen, Philips, Wiercioch, Gryba, Boro and Corvo have 6. Again, that’s a concern. Particularly for Wiercioch and Cowen.
      Anderson is also a major concern in nets. People know about the 4+ goals/game in more than half his starts but what worries me the most, as you pointed out, is the early deficits that give EVERY GAME! Playing from behind is never fun. Unless you’re Elton John.

  • Tooks

    From PMAC (He’s saying the right things now just needs to fix the Goddamn issue!! LOL)

    “Right now, we don’t play hard enough to win,” coach Paul MacLean told the team’s official website. “We don’t play long enough to win consistently. (We) play the teams that are below us in the standings, and we don’t seem to have enough respect for them to play hard enough.”

    • sprucesens

      there won’t be any teams below us to not respect if we keep it up

  • Luc Wolfe

    There I will the jersey battle! I’m the first one to post it!!! BOO YA!!!

    • Mat

      Is the plan to eventually have the Heritage black and white be our regular jerseys? Or will we use the white Heritage more than just for this outdoor game? Personally, if its just for the one time, I would have gone more “throw-back” than that…

      • Luc Wolfe

        i would of used the one O

  • Tooks

    HAHA Ovechkin has 1 less goal (20) than Ryan and Spezza combined (21)…Who’s in nets tonight? Good luck!