Senators Continue to Work on “Mystery Deal”

SensChirp July 7, 2014 279
Senators Continue to Work on “Mystery Deal”

The NHL’s off season is beginning to wind down. Most of the free agents have found new homes and teams are beginning to finalize their rosters for the 2014/2015 regular season.

While in the Nation’s Capital, it appears as though there is still one more significant roster change to come.

During his July 1st wrap-up press conference, Sens GM Bryan Murray emphasized that he’s got another deal in the works. And while his comments last week made it sound like a deal was imminent, there still hasn’t been much new on that “mystery trade” Murray and his staff are working on. Murray provided a short comment on the trade after the Legwand signing and confirmed talks are ongoing.

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In speaking with people over the last few days, it’s clear the Senators are still working on something but details are certainly hard to come by. Buffalo and Chicago are among the teams that have come up as possible trade partners but that’s mostly speculation at this point.  Ottawa has 8 defenceman on the NHL roster and would certainly like to lower that number to seven before the season starts.

With Legwand signed to a contract late last week, the Senators primary target seems to be a winger that can score goals and play with a bit of an “edge”.  Assuming Ottawa has set their internal budget at around $56 mil and with a Lehner contract still to come, it seems like a deal would likely be a money in/money out kind of trade.

We’ll see what Murray and his staff come up with in the days to come.

-Senators’ Management has one eye on this potential deal and another on the team’s Development Camp which will wrap up this morning with the 3 on 3 tournament beginning at 9:30 AM this morning. Details on the teams for that tournament are available here.  The team’s official website has had some great coverage of the camp. Definitely worth checking out.  Have asked people in attendance about who has stood out so far and the first name mentioned is always Mark Stone.  He’s clearly a step up on everyone else in camp.  As of right now, there appears to be an opportunity for him in the team’s top six this coming season.

-The Five Hole For Food tour makes a stop in Ottawa this Wednesday! For those of you that don’t know, Five Hole for Food is a national, volunteer-driven, non-profit organization with an entrepreneurial approach aimed at raising food and awareness for Canadians across the country. They organize ball hockey tournaments across the country, all in support of local food banks. They’ll be on Sparks street on Wednesday. Read more about that event here.

  • WaitingSince92

    Still praying the target is not Chris Stewart.

    • Amanuel Dawit

      the kid can get 30 goals a season…

      • Pasky

        The kid never scored 30 goals, and his 28 goal season in Colorado 5 years ago is the only one above 20….

        • A-Train

          Wrong. He scored 28 again the following year playing in Colorado and St. Louis. In the lockout-shortened season he had 18 goals in 48 games.

          In fact, when playing over 70 games in a season Christ Stewart has only scored fewer than 20 goals once (15).

          • Pasky

            Yea your right… didn’t look at the teams when he got traded… But I still don’t think he’s usefull to us unless he can play LW. I’d rather CHiasson and Stone on the right side.

        • Amanuel Dawit

          `yep, he did once in STL…

  • Dirk-Diggler

    If we can cut out Greening and Boro then we will be OK. Both players are replaceable or not serviceable

    • Amanuel Dawit

      Boro is a great leader…

      • Dirk-Diggler

        So? Didn’t we re-sign Phillips for leadership? Haven’t we all been touting Lazar for leadership? We need players with skill not guys who can’t play effectively. Boro may have a role as an 7th D man on the team but the problem is we have a lot of guys who are in that same category on the roster (Phillips, Gryba)

        • Alan Connor

          the sens played better with boro in the lineup, He would have stayed if gryba didnt have a 1-way contract.

        • Michael Figueiredo

          PHILLIPS SUCKS. Boro>Gryba>Phillips. Boro is a better skater, and makes faster decisions than Gryba. Also more into open ice hits. Everything about Gryba is slow. Hands, speed and mind.

      • Karlsson’s Euchre Partner

        I don’t understand how you can say he’s a great leader?? Maybe in the AHL.. But let’s be real – we need legit 6 dmen, not a 7th D who’s supposedly a “leader”

        • Amanuel Dawit

          he also works hard, he has two, TWO, hardest working prospect at TWO different development camps!

    • NickofTime

      Greening is a big part of the Smith line, Condra on the other hand is easily replaceable & not part of any line. Condra is too small, too soft, not tough in any way & has hands of stone. Greening is bigger, tougher, faster, can play centre or wing & can at least score from time to time & fight if need be. He is much more valuable to Ottawa than Condra which is why other teams have interest in Greening & no one has any interest in Condra. The Drive’s possession argument Yost is always spewing would make more sense, if Condra played more than 6 minutes a game too. I wish they would just waive Condra.

      • Jamie Graveline

        Condra is one of the best penalty killers if not THE best PK killer in the league.

        • NickofTime

          No he is not, not even close, he isn’t even the best PKer in this organization. I would have Grant on the roster over Condra who is bigger, faster, tougher & every bit as good defensively.

          • Murl

            That is the most laughable thing I’ve ever read. You must be part of the Leafs front office. Condra’s possesion numbers are in the range of elite. He may never be able to put the puck in the net, but one thing is easily measurable and demonstrable when he’s on the ice the puck moves away from Ottawa’s net and towards the oppositions net the majority of the time. For his price he is absolutely irreplaceable. Very few people in the NHL are better at driving play than Condra. He dominates in his bottom six role. Dominates. Now let’s be clear before you mutate my words to suit your own talking points, I’m not saying he’s a world class talent worthy of a huge contract. His possession stats are the same as Patrick Kane but he’s far from that level of talent. I’m saying he’s one of the best at his role in the league. The Ottawa Senators would be a much crappier team without him.

          • NickofTime

            IMO Condra won’t last the season as an Ottawa Senator & for sure will not be re-signed. He just doesn’t make enough of an impact in games & has the lowest ice time of all the players. That does not reflect what people here are saying about him & his importance to the team. I think he will be gone, in fact, I’m sure of it.

  • WaitingSince92

    Ooooh, also Yost has an article about Condra that should be mandatory reading for all the Sens fans who hate him/lump him in with Greening. I’m not huge on advanced stats, but it backs up what I, and a few other Chirpers have said all along. This guy is not part of the problem. Sure, he has no offensive ability, but he’s a fourth liner you don’t have to worry about replacing/upgrading and he’s as cheap as they get.

    • HamadBo$$

      This is what I’ve been trying to say!!

    • Garrioch’s reliable source

      annnnnnd Condra makes peanuts

      Eugene Pinchpenny kisses his picture every night before bedtime.

    • Murl

      I can understand people being slow to warm up to new things. But Advanced stats are the best thing to happen to hockey since the red line was removed. They are the future. Soon enough they will be in every hockey fan’s vocabulary, save for the heaviest mouth breathers.

  • Terry

    Marchand plays with an edge.

  • HamadBo$$

    I think we should keep Condra, he’s a decent 4th liner and cheap. However, Greening is taking more than he deserves and i think he’s more valuable. So maybe sens could try to trade him and boro for and dallas 2nd for a top 6 winger

  • LouSens

    Does anyone have info on Bryan Murray’s health issues? Apparently it’s not minor. Maybe it’s holding up a deal…

  • HamadBo$$

    what if there is no mystery deal and its just Murray trying to shift our focus away from the spezza trade

    • Harry

      I have been thinking this all along…

  • Pasky

    People mention keeping Condra and I’m with that camp, as long as he plays on the 4th line. The problem is that Niel has that 4th line RW spot for the next 2 years as of right now. So the problem is if they want Condra to play every game, then he’s stuck on the 3rd line where is lack of scoring shines past his possession/defensive play. Also add in Ryan, Stone, Chiasson ahead of him right now, Condra and Neil basically have to split the 4th line duties even though they both want an established spot on the roster. This is why I think people have overlooked Condra, and why he’s possibly being shopped around.

  • Dirk-Diggler

    L1: MacArthur-Turris-Ryan

    L2: Michalek-Zibanejad-Chiasson

    L3: Hoffman-Legawand-Stone

    L4: Lazar-Smith-Condra

    Extra: Pageau/Neil

    So that would mean trading Greening and Neil from the current mix… Am I forgetting anyone?

    Maybe the current lineup puts Pageau in the minors… But suppose Murray is hoping for a top 6 winger, who from that list is expendable in a trade (with value)? I am guessing Stone, Condra or hopefully Greening but I can’t see him being moved in a trade…Getting a top 6 RW would put Chiasson on line 3 which would be ok.

    My trade targets would E Kane, Marchand, Skinner and Grabner. All those guys I think their value is a little down and we could maybe steal them for less than what they’re worth. All are young enough to grow with the team.

    • Harv

      Not sure why people here keeping listing Stone as expendable. He clearly has improved his skating, has great hands and goes into the tough areas. He is improving at a fast pace and looks more than comfortable in the NHL. You don’t get players like that in a trade. Teams tend to keep them.

      There is no way Ottawa is trading Neil. He and Phillips are here to stay. It would be a major shock if he was on the trading block.

      I am not sure we would get anything of value for Condra and he serves a purpose here.

      I don’t see anyone who should be moved other than Greening.

      • Dirk-Diggler

        I don’t want to lose Stone either don’t get me wrong. But looking at that lineup for guys with 1 way deals him, Condra and Neil are the three guys I’d think could move and bring in a better player.

        Also forgot Loui Eriksson could be a good trade target too.

        • Harv

          I would not trade Stone. Condra is better than anyone we would get for Condra and Greening may bounce back to being a journeyman big winger. They are hard to find as well.

          I am in the “let’s see how it works with what we have” camp.

          • Dirk-Diggler

            I get that… but my angle is suppose we have a trade in the works, what do you think happens?

          • Harv

            I am hoping we back off from the “mystery” trade. We can do a “mystery” trade later in the year if we need to. We have a lot of potential in Ottawa and Bingo. I would like one year to see how it falls out.

            Our top line is solid – no doubt about that. With Legwand and Z’Bad we may have two guys who can play second or third line minutes. Smith is our fourth line guy. Clearly they have marked Pageau as the #5.

            Left side, we have Michalek, Hoffman and Greening. Give Michalek and Hoffman lines 2 and 3 and Greening the fourth.

            Right side we have Stone, Chaisson and Condra. Give Stone and Chaisson the second and third lines and Condra the fourth and PK.Neil sees spot duty because he will surely be still here.

            On D we have Karlson, Methot, Ceci, Weircoch, Gryba and Cowen. Phillips and Boro are the spot duty guys but Boro is probably the odd man out and with his one way, may have to go. I would have preferred that Phillips go. In the wings getting a look is Claesson who is probably closer than we think to the NHL.

      • Don Ciccio

        So who are you going to get rid of on the right side if Condra and Neil stay in the lineup?
        Ryan
        Chiasson
        Stone
        Condra
        Neil

        • Harv

          Personally, I would put Neil on the market and keep the rest. But, realistically, that is not going to happen.

          • Don Ciccio

            yup, not going to happen but I agree with you.

    • Pasky

      Well Lazar doesn’t play LW so that bottom line won’t work out. My trade target would be for an upgrade at LW to get a Top 6 guy, involving Greening as a player going the other way. That way Michalek and Hoffman can each drop 1 spot. And yes Pageau will probably be in the minors this year, unless Smith is involved in a trade as well.

      XXX-Zibanejad-Ryan
      MacArthur-Turris-Stone
      Michalek-Legwand-Chiasson
      Hoffman-Smith-Neil/Condra

      • SENSible Voice

        Sorry but Zibby has not surpassed Turris yet for the 1C position and unlike most of you on here, I am not convinced that Lazar cracks the roster which thankfully, you didn’t bank on.

        That missing piece better be a significant one because Ryan won’t be a happy camper. I do like that 3rd line pairing though.

        • Pasky

          I’m looking for balance in the roster, and I also didn’t want to break up MacArthur and Turris which is Why I placed Ryan with Zib. But the lines depend on the piece coming back and ultimately chemistry between the players. I just figured that Stone did play well with Turris and CMac at the end of last season so if we want to balance lines then move Ryan.

    • Frankie Fives

      Can’t trade Stone at this point. The Sens have put in way too much time developing this kid in the system. He has worked hard to get to the NHL and I believe this is the year he shows what he’s got. He’s a big body who has a nose for the net which is exactly what Sens’ management has said they want. He’s as close to untouchable as they come in my opinion.

      I can see Hoffman, Prince, Greening (or Condra), Wiercoch (I hope not), Boro being shopped

      I know Tim Murray is a big fan of Wiercoch, Hoffman and Prince…

      • Dirk-Diggler

        I also can’t see any of those guys bringing back a quality piece. I also hope Weircioch is retained….

      • Pasky

        I’ll disagree with you on Boro, only because at 550k he’s the perfect #7 D for a budget team, not to mention he’s still talented enough to show up for roughly 30 games this year, unless injuries make him play more.

    • NickofTime

      First, the guys you want to trade are not going to get you the guys you want in return. Second, there is no room on the roster for Lazar, he is going back to junior. Third, if Condra replaces anyone on the roster it will be Stone who will be returned to Bingo even though Ottawa will need his offense over what Condra brings.
      Fourth, Ottawa is not going to trade Neil, he was drafted by the organization & he is a lifer. Fifth, if Ottawa is trying to get bigger & faster than Greening will be kept over Condra who is useless regardless of the Yost love for him. Sixth, Ottawa has their team set for next season which will include Greening & Neil but not Lazar & Pageau from your lineup, there will be no new surprises or new deals before training camp. Seventh, there is no mystery deal they say that every yr to keep the fan base guessing & hoping for more from the team. IMO the budget & roster for next season was set during the July free agency & there won’t be another deal until the trade deadline, which is exactly what happened last yr.

  • Pasky

    Any deal involving Buffalo looks like a defenseman going there as they need help on the back end. Question for Sens fans, would you trade Cowen & Gryba for Myers? Sens only take 1.15M extra in salary, and both of these big defenders can use a fresh start. And the only reason why I include Gryba is because Myers is a RH D and Ceci can slot on the 3rd pairing with Phillips. This would also give Weircioch a chance in the Top 4.

    A plus would be a more up-tempo style of hockey. A minus is that we would lose some sandpaper in our back end. And I’m not saying that’s the whole deal as I think TM might want to pry an extra draft pick or prospect, but just wanted to start a conversation.

    Methot-Karlsson
    Weircioch-Myers
    Phillips-Ceci
    Borowiecki

    • Dirk-Diggler

      YES! In a heartbeat

    • SENSible Voice

      I would do that trade but I don’t see BUF doing it since they could get a better return from other teams.

      • Pasky

        That’ not the whole trade sorry, I just want those 2 defenders gone for him. Something like Cowen, Gryba, Prince & 2015 2nd

      • Dirk-Diggler

        just think that a year ago people were saying that Myers was untradeable and a bust. Now he’s saught after.

        I think we could all apply that train of thought to Cowen and see that he can bounch back and become a valuable player. Patience is key.

        • Harv

          Sought after, even!

  • TookieIs100PercentRight

    No mentions of Simmons talking about Murray’s health? On HF they’re saying his career might be ending sooner than expected, but it’s not life-threatening of course.

    • spezzerman

      out of respect to the man, its not worth speculating on.

      • SensChirp

        Ya I would prefer not to discuss that here. I realize comments and speculation are inevitable at this point but this is something that will be discussed publicly at a time of Bryan Murray’s choosing.

        • Lorien

          I was just thinking he was probably diagnosed with Cancer, and that would explain most of this…but wasn’t going to post, because that’s tacky.. Senators just officially confirmed it though. Cat is out of the bag.

          Best wishes to him.

  • Frankie Fives

    There is definitely an abundance of depth not only on D but also up front. I see a quality for quantity deal in the works here or maybe a 3-team trade with the Sens sending several assets out and getting 1 NHL contract in and maybe a pick

  • Max2166

    Thanks for the update Chirp. Good luck to Bryan Murray. Two teams who are looking for D are the Panthers and the Islanders. Could it be possible the Sens are talking to either team?

    • Mat

      I’m going to add Detroit in that mix. They pitched on Niskanen and a few others on July 1st and didn’t land any big fish. They are also rumoured to be trying to pry Myers out of Buffalo. I’m not a fan of getting rid of Cowen but if the return was Nyqvist, Jurco or Tatar, I could be swayed.

      • Pasky

        Thing with Detroit is they need a RH puck moving D, meaning they would want one of Karlsson (HA!!) and Ceci and neither of them are getting traded.

        • Dirk-Diggler

          Gryba is a righty I think :P

          • Pasky

            True lol, thing is we want to get rid of a lefty.

          • FistsofNeil25

            We wouldn’t have had this problem if we hadn’t re-signed Phillips. I don’t think we should be giving up on either Cowen or Wiercioch and Methot is our best lefty. Should have just let Phillips go.

          • Pasky

            Agree but BM probably didn’t want to lose both Phillips and Spezza in one off season. Cause remember how Phillips was on the trade block for a week before the trade deadline, but then on the trade deadline day he got an extension? I imagine that happened because of the meeting he had with Spezza.

          • FistsofNeil25

            That definitely was Murray’s thinking but with Alfie and Spezza both out the door, this season would have been the perfect time to move on from Phillips as well. We just don’t need him anymore.

        • FistsofNeil25

          There are lots of rumors about Detroit being in on Myers actually. Apparently Tim’s asking price is something like Nyquist/Tatar + 1st round pick + prospect.

  • Stephane Cantin

    Burns in SJ please

  • sens88

    What type of deal do you think the Canadiens will offer Subban? It’s pretty clear that they made a huge mistake by signing him to that bridge deal two years ago. I’ll be very curious to see how much he gets. If Markov got 5.75 per (and 7 million in actual dollars) this year then they would have to give Subban 8 mil?

    • Pasky

      Letang is making 7.25M a year, and I think that’s the deal that the Subban camp is using for leverage. I can see 7.5M if he wants to take a hometown discount, 8M otherwise. Especially if it ends up going to arbitration.

      I should also add though that Doughty is making 7M a year, and he signed that contract after his bridge deal so he’s probably the best comparable. But since that contract was signed in 2011 when the cap was lower, 8M does still make sense for what he would be asking for.

      • sens88

        It’s just funny that if they’d been smart, they could have signed him to a Ryan McDonagh type deal (6 years x 4.7 million cap hit) but since they waited they’ll be stuck paying him 7-8 mil a year which will probably cause them huge cap problems down the line. Being a GM is tough! I do not envy them.

        • Mat

          That bridge deal is the reason why Josh Gorges (a serviceable 3-4 D) is playing for the Sabres today. Never helps when the player you’re trying to save money on goes and wins the Norris the following year…

          • Garrioch’s reliable source

            indeed – an excellent observation

    • Sensturion

      I can see him asking for 8 mil easily. Shea Weber, who had comparable numbers, is making 7.8 mil AAV per. Phaneuf, with bad numbers, is clearing 7 mil AAV.

      Although I can see Montreal saying 6.5 to match what Karlsson is making.

    • Frankie Fives

      I see him becoming the highest paid D-man in the league. $8mil x 8 years is not at all far fetched

    • Mat

      I’m going to bet 6 years/50 mil.
      Chirp, I think we should have a contest on this. Winner gets a case of diet Pepsi and a box of Joe Louis.

      • Phil.

        Damn you. I want a Joe Louis real bad right now, but I live in the States.

  • Frankie Fives

    I’d like to see more of a balanced attack so I’d “drop” Ryan to the ZBad line. We have way too many bodies though, unless they send Lazar back to Junior which I doubt

    Mac-Turris-Stone
    Michalek-ZBad-Ryan
    Lazar-Legwand-Chiasson
    Greening-Smith-Condra/Neil

    Neil/Hoffman

    Methot-Karlsson
    Cowen-Ceci
    Phillips-Gryba

    Wiercoch/Boro

  • SensChirp

    Spezza being introduced in Dallas

    http://video.stars.nhl.com/videocenter/?id=627920

    • sens88

      That jersey looks huge!

    • my2sens

      Is he going to giggle?

  • FistsofNeil25

    As of right now, there isn’t any room left on the roster for Lazar. We’re already over crowded at right wing and unless Smith or Legwand slide over the the left wing, there’s isn’t any room for Lazar there either. There’s also the possibility that Stone starts the season in Binghamton but I think most people see him as an NHL player now.

    MacArthur – Turris – Ryan
    Michalek – Zibanejad – Stone
    Hoffman – Legwand – Chiasson
    Greening – Smith – Neil
    Condra

    And obviously we have an over crowded blueline that needs to be addressed and unfortunately most of those guys have yet to prove they are capable of being anything more than a bottom pairing defender.

    Methot – Karlsson
    Cowen – Gryba
    Phillips – Ceci
    Wiercioch
    Borowiecki

    So it definitely seems as though this “mystery trade” will be a quantity for quality deal, and it will probably be for a top six left winger considering how over crowded we are at center and right wing. We can probably expect two of Greening, Smith, Condra, Hoffman, Stone, Methot, Cowen and Wiercioch to be involved in the deal and a prospect or draft pick.

    • whammer44

      Once Greening is moved there will be a spot for Lazar.

      • FistsofNeil25

        But where? Who takes Greening’s spot on the left wing? Lazar said at the world junior tournament that he doesn’t feel the least but comfortable at left wing and that he much prefers the right side if he isn’t playing center. So that would force one of Ryan, Stone or Chiasson to play their off wing or one of Smith or Legwand to play left wing with Lazar taking one of their spots down the middle.

        • CUP 2014-15

          I remember thinking that the kid must have serious confidence to go to the coaching staff at the world level and speak up like he did. There is no question that the team has said they like him on the right side. I hate the idea of rushing players but Puemple has a shot here in camp, lucky for him that he’s not a right winger or Centre.

        • boom

          Apparently Chiasson played on the left sometimes in Dallas. they could go with: (and trade Greening)

          MacArthur
          Chiasson
          Michalek
          Hoffman

          BUT it leaves us thin on the right side. The problem is we have two guys who can only play 4th line (Neil and Condra) The appeal of Condra is he can pick up extra minutes on the PK.

        • Pasky

          Ryan did play on the left side as well, but again that leaves the right side pretty unproven. I’m in the camp right now that Lazar won’t be with the team next year unless they move bodies specifically to make room for him. Meaning that a C or RW would have to move.

          • Dirk-Diggler

            I thought Murray specifically said there is a spot for Lazar?

          • Pasky

            Well at first they said that he would probably play RW as his game suits that more, but that was before we got Chiasson in the Spezza trade. Then they said that he would probably have to play C because there wasn’t any room on the wing for him, but that was before we signed Legwand. So like I said before, unless this rumored trade is to free room for Lazar to be on the opening night roster I don’t think he’s going to stick with the big club.

            Although they will more than likely still give him his 9 game tryout anyways so that he can get a taste. Worst case scenario he’s too good to send down and we do another trade, or bury someone in the A.

        • spezzerman

          Ryan must have played left wing when he was on Getzlaf and Perry’s line, also when he was scoring his 30g seasons?

        • whammer44

          Well my want has always been for Smith to play left wing. So I would put him there with Lazar at C…problem solved.

    • s3nsfan

      This is of course my opinion, but with 50.6% and 50+ possible points and being the responsible centre he is, I think they slot Legwand in the 2nd LC role. I think putting Zibenajad in the 3rd line role lets him delope a little more.

      • FistsofNeil25

        Yeah those lines above obviously aren’t set in stone. Could swap Zibanejad/Legwand and Stone/Chiasson on the 2nd/3rd lines.

      • MethotToMyMadness

        I agree on the development side for Zib, it’s good for him.

    • Senatollah

      What you said: As of right now, there isn’t any room left on the roster for Lazar.
      What you should have said: As of right now, there isn’t any room left on the roster for anyone.

      Too many forwards and defenders signed with one-way deals. Much prefer going into camp with roster spots available for those that step up and own them. If Classen out plays anyone on D its too bad were full, come back later? How does that help the team?

    • ProfessorPower

      Imo hoffman doesn’t make the team and we move one of Chiasson or Ryan to LW.

      MacArthur-Turris-Stone
      Ryan-Zibanejad-Chiasson
      Michalek-Legwand-Lazar
      Greening-Smith-Neil

      And someone’s getting traded it seems.

      • CUP 2014-15

        I assume you have Stone on KT’s RW

        • zippy

          Based only on points, Chiasson goes ahead of Stone.

          My guess is Chiasson and Stone take turns with Zibby and Legwand, and either Lazar goes back if he’s not ready, or there’s a trade.

          If they are all ready…we have a good problem

          • Zelle

            I think it will be:
            1: M – T – R

            2a: M – Z – S
            2b: H – L – C

            With 2a/2b lines being interchanged kind of like 1a and 1b last season where they practically had the same amount of ice time.

      • Pasky

        I can see this for his 9 game tryout at least, but unless he blows management and coaches out of the water he’s going back to junior, mostly because of a numbers game.

        • zippy

          Lazar was almost ready last year. And Stone was pretty much ready last year.

          I really wonder about Greening, and if Stone or Lazar can play LW.

          • Pasky

            I read that Lazar didn’t but I am unsure about Stone.

    • MethotToMyMadness

      I really don’t think Ottawa wants to push Lazar into the lineup just yet, even if he comes in and shows he’s somewhat capable. That’s all part of signing Legwand for 2 years. It gives Ottawa a buffer, and allows Lazar the chance to get the 9 game showcase and then back to junior. It’s too bad he can’t go to Bingo, but that’s just how it is.

    • sprucesens

      could be a deal like smith + pick or prospect to Chicago for leddy or something. then one of our extra D + condra/greening for a pick back somewhere else. Makes room for lazar as 4th C, so he can get used the physical play of the NHL. After that he can move up the list with better wingers into a more scoring role. Lots of things could happen. This is certainly one. Doubtful though. Too many bodies, and only 1 rumoured trade in the works

    • Zelle

      Smith – Pageau – Lazar, with Neil being more like Kassian last season. If Lazar truly isn’t ready then slot Condra in there instead. Thing is unless Greening improves dramatically there is just no room for him on the roster with the new additions and our up and coming players.

  • OverMind

    Hey Chirp, any news on Alfie? Does Detroit actually want him back? are they low balling him? has anything changed internally in sens management on tossing him a contract despite the RW logjam?

    • spezzerman

      he said he is waiting till August to decide his future, I believe

      • MethotToMyMadness

        He has some late injuries too right, I think a lot of what he decides is based on health.

  • SensChirp

    Strange…

    • my2sens

      Huh?

      • SensChirp

        Picture there if you hit refresh

        • my2sens

          Oh, him….

    • sens88

      It’s odd, it doesn’t bother me really. It’s not like Alfie at all, and I was a huge Jason Spezza fan. I’ll definitely make it a priority to watch some Dallas games this year. They should be a good team

      • OverMind

        well Alfie was the monolithic god of Ottawa after all. my butt still hurts over Alfie, Spezza just wasn’t at his level.

        • Jakester

          Spezza’s commitment to winning…… You have to Backcheck to be committed. The guy has no clue, Dallas will figure out what they’re getting soon enough.

          • spezzerman

            they know what they are getting. a PPG center.

          • Jakester

            A flake who will be wondering why the red light keeps going on behind his own goalie all year! Spezza and Ovechkin committed to winning while their fans are committed to whining!

          • spezzerman

            No whine here, just stating the obvious, they are getting a PPG center.

          • Jakester

            That’s fine , the Centers playing against him all year will be PPG plus Centers. Good luck Spezz!

          • bluebuyyoo

            Honestly dude. It’s only you and a couple of others that continually whine about Spezza. He is gone and you are still whining.

            I’m well over it and I am looking forward to a new era with this team. A couple of changes at forward and defense and this team is going to be very hard to play against next year.

          • spezzerman

            yeah me too. Some people just need to continue to bash players that are no longer here for some reason. I love the Spezza return, I love the direction we are going but its naive to think that PPG centers hurts a team.

            Jim Nill is as smart a hockey man as they come, he sees that value and he will get it.

          • Pasky

            Considering this is a fan base that still bitches about Heatley, Yashin, Daigle etc. I wouldn’t expect the Spezza bashing to go away anytime soon.

          • peetypuck

            I think It’s the media and trolls that keep bringing up Yashin and Daigle.

          • Jakester

            I’m just tired of hearing these lazy ass primadonnas leave to go somewhere else and say happy to be coming to a team that is committed to winning. When everyone knows Murray and MaCLean were happy to get rid of him because his style of play shows NO COMMITMENT TO WANTING TO WIN. Last time I mention his name, good luck Loser!

          • s3nsfan

            I personally don’t think, in the Western Conf., his point production will remain at ppg, i just think the western conference will be harder on him, more challenging, JMO

          • FistsofNeil25

            He also has the luxury now of playing behind Seguin and Benn who are one of the very best offensive duo’s in the league. Spezza and Hemsky are going to get a lot of favorable match-ups.

          • Zelle

            I think this is the biggest thing to remember. He’s no longer the first line center or center of attention. He will get to just play his game against perhaps less defensively sound lines.

          • spezzerman

            yeah maybe. point remains, Dallas liked getting a PPG center.

          • not YOUR wingman
          • A-Train

            Can’t wait till I don’t have to care about these comments any more. Wait….I already don’t care.

        • Sensnation

          Spezza was the most gifted player this organization has ever had. Deal with it!

    • OverMind

      We are a better team without Spezza, and im a massive Spezza fan. waiting for the next #19 to pencil in on the back of my jersey over the Yashin/Spezza nameplate.

    • CUP 2014-15

      Good luck to Spezz, thank God he’s in the west. If he can stay healthy he will have a tremendous year out of the critical eye of Ottawa sports fans and media. Still like the return we got for a star player on the final year. I would not want to be the team signing him to a 5-6 yr 7-8M dollar deal.

    • Andrews theory

      good for him, thanks for everything and please stay on the west coast.

    • Sensnation

      Dallas is so lucky. He is going to light the west on fire. Best of luck Spezza!

    • SensFanInMTL

      God I miss him already.

  • MethotToMyMadness

    Spezza in that nice shade of green is hard to picture, but not having 19 is even stranger.

  • Hax

    It’s amazing how quickly I’m over “losing” Spezza. I’m sure I’ll miss him when our powerplay has dry spells next year or we lose 1-0 etc, but I do think our team is headed in the right direction. Not that we’re better without Spezza (yet) but given Spezza’s health questions, price tag and style of play, I think moving on without him is the right thing to do at this point.

    • spezzerman

      it was the right thing for both parties.

  • NickofTime

    When you mentioned that Ottawa was going after Lecavalier, I said they should sign Legwand instead since he would cost them no assets & was better & more of a 200′ player. I also said his offensive production would make up for the loss of Spezza’s production.
    Now I am telling you that BM should sign Steve Ott who is also a free agent, plays with an edge, can play centre or left wing, which is a position I think they want to improve on, won’t cost them any assets & can contribute some points offensively & is a veteran with leadership qualities. Of course, this would increase their internal budget by a little bit, I assume Ott won’t get more than $3 mil if that but if they were to trade or waive Condra that could save them a little money towards signing Ott. While I like Chris Stewart’s toughness his work ethic & attitude have been in question for some time whereas Ott is a self starter.

    • Jakester

      I think they need a trade because they have to move some bodies, Sens have too many players. So just signing another UFA won’t be the way to go right now.

      • zippy

        Signing Ott would add more Grit. I would sign him and trade Greening for picks.

        If Stone could play LW, then he’s fine in line #2.

        Stone-Zibby-Chiasson

        • Jakester

          Picks, as in Plural?

          • Deadly

            Eighth and ninth rounders.

          • zippy

            You got me. Maybe a 3rd or 4th

      • NickofTime

        They had a lot of bodies last yr too, they went with eight defencemen last yr. Remember Corvo was part of the team for most of the season until Ceci took his job as I said he would much earlier. They also had extra forwards around Kassian comes to mind. If they got rid of Condra they would have a 23 man roster, I think it has more to do with money than bodies, EM has probably set his internal budget for around $56 mil & doesn’t want to go a penny above that. So any deal or signing will have to have salary going out if salary is to come in.

        • Deadly

          You just seem to get everything right.

    • Rafi Bomb

      We could certainly add a bit more of an edge to our lineup. A guy like Ott would be a great target but the only concern is that he is highly coveted and might be looking for a big salary. Two other guys that we could consider for that role in Brenden Morrow and Daniel Carcillo. Personally I think Carcillo is the best target because he plays with a ton of energy, can play a support role on more skilled lines, scores clutch goals and elevates his performance in key games and is likely the least expensive of the three.

      Aside from that, I also see it as being important that we find a truly intimidating heavyweight to play in the 13th or 14th forward spot. A guy that can really beat the shit out of other fighters the same way that Carkner and McGrattan did. We might not need a heavy for that many games but it will be useful to have one when we play team like Calgary, Toronto, Philadelphia, Brooklyn, Boston, Columbus and a few other big western conference teams like Anaheim, LA, St Louis and San Jose.

  • EK65

    Wow, there it is. Sens GM Bryan Murray was recently diagnosed with cancer.

    Awful news. best wishes to him and his family.

    http://senators.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=725529

    • Pasky

      Shitty shit shit…… Best of wishes BM

    • A-Train

      Awful news.

    • s3nsfan

      Sorry to hear that Mr. Murray is going through this battle, thoughts and best wishes go out to him and his family.

    • Andrews theory

      I sincerely hope Murray steps away to deal with his health through proper treatment and rest

    • Pasky

      I’m happy they finally released the info though. I’m sure they wanted to keep it private but considering the amount of people commenting and speculating about his health it’s nice that they threw it out there so that everyone can move on to the task at hand.

  • Perry

    Having to deal with the Spezza fiasco and work on improving the team while having many people call for change, dealing with cancer on top of that already adds to the respect I have for BM.

    • SENSsmile

      Bryan Murray seems like a genuinely good person. Best wishes to him and his family!

  • Max2166

    Courage and good luck to Bryan Murray!!!

  • Jakester

    Good Luck to Bryan Murray, he’s a fighter, he’ll get through this, Courage!

  • Pat D

    Prayers are with Bryan Murray and his family… Good Luck BM

  • Brock

    Cancer is one of the scariest things I can imagine. Good luck to Bryan Murray and his family. He can, and will get through this.

  • CUP 2014-15

    Good luck to the Murray’s, God bless and here’s to BM winning this one hands down. Be strong BM.

  • Dirk-Diggler

    I hope BM gets well soon… Everything else doesn’t matter

    • Harv

      Yes, it puts things into perspective.

  • Kielbasa

    Best of luck to Bryan Murray for a full and healthy recovery.

  • Spoons

    I hope Murray has confidence enough in Dorion and Lee to be able to really clear his mind from work and focus on positive vibes for his health. Good luck BM!

  • SensChirp

    Wanted to give the announcement about Murray its own post.

    http://senschirp.ca/news/best-wishes-bryan-murray/

  • EK65

    The Sens have great team doctors and will ensure he’s getting the best care, I’m sure.

  • HamadBo$$

    Well this news is just devastating :(

  • Jakester

    Tobias Lindberg looks like a player. One of the best at Dev Camp scrimmage. Size, speed, skill, sense. Should have a big yr in Oshawa. #Sens

    As per A J Jakubec, had no idea Lindbrg was going to play in the OHL this year, exciting news!

    • Rafi Bomb

      He needs to get more comfortable going to the dirty areas. In the scrimmage he wouldn’t drive directly to the net, he would always circle around it. Playing in the OHL will be beneficial for him as he will have to adapt to playing on a smaller ice and he will get more experience fighting for space in the dirty areas.

  • zippy

    So….what would it take to get Yandle? And more importantly why would the Coyotes trade him? They are well under the cap.

    • AutoTurris

      They need forwards. Obviously I am going to throw Greening’s name out there, but we would have to add something to sweeten the pot. Also, if Yandle was going to be coming back, we would have to be moving 2 D bodies in this trade as well or in another trade.

      And Arizona is pretty backed-up at the back as well.

      • zippy

        Is Yandle a stay at home or more like Ceci/Karlsson?

        • AutoTurris

          If I’m being honest, I’m not sure. Looking at his stats you’ll see he puts up a decent amount of points and is a minus player. This of course could be because of who he is paired with, etc. but if I was just going off of that I would guess he is more like Karlsson and Ceci.

          • zippy

            Looking at this

            http://thehockeywriters.com/are-the-coyotes-finally-dealing-keith-yandle/

            Seems like he’s a talented guy. Much like Ceci is projected to be. Kind of a Ceci/Karlsson mix.

            He won’t be cheap. Thinking Ceci/Nick Paul and 2015 3rd.

          • zippy

            Maybe keep the 3rd and add Gryba.

          • Rafi Bomb

            Would rather keep Ceci and Paul, both are top tier prospects.

          • Sensnation

            Keith Yandle would only be worth acquiring if we can get him cheap or with a bundle of non roster prospects. Ceci could be as valuable or even more valuable to a winning team down the line. May not put the same points up, but his defense will be beneficial.

          • Rafi Bomb

            We also need to factor in organizational depth. We already lack right handed shooting d men, let alone right handed d men with elite offensive upside. Yandle is left handed, so acquiring him may be beneficial in terms of having an established offensive d man but it creates even further issues with our defensive unit. We are better off targeting a guy like Byfuglien or Burns instead.

          • zippy

            I keep hearing Byfuglien, and that CHI didn’t want to lose him but had cap issues.

            Maybe a big trade for him and Kane makes more sense. Kane wants out (supposedly), and we want Byf.

          • Rafi Bomb

            There have been multiple rumors of both players being traded over the last few months so both players are likely on the block. In terms of what we need to become an elite team, we need an above average top six left winger and and above average top four right handed shot d man. Trading for Kane and Byfuglien would address both of those needs, the only issue is that we may be forced to trade important roster players or prospects to get the trade done.

            While I would like to see the Sens acquire both this off season, I think it is more realistic that we acquire one of a top six LW and top 4 RHD this off season and then the other one at the trade deadline if we are in a playoff position.

          • Jason P.

            I’ve been Th in King about a Kane and Byfuglien deal. Stone, Cowen, Greening plus Dallas second should do it.

          • Jakester

            Even if you have to throw in another prospect you do it! Sens have a shitload of good young players.

          • Sensnation

            Shoots R: Karlsson, Ceci, Gryba
            Shoots L: Methot, Wiercioch, Cowen, Phillips, Claesson, Boro, Wickstrand

            Really though we only need so many dmen. Unless Ceci doesn’t become that top 4 dman, we are set on the right side. Wiercioch likes to play there too. I’m more worried about whether Claesson (favorite), Boro or Wickstrand will be able to fill in the 3rd pairing on the left side. Some right shooting depth would be good though.

          • Jakester

            That would be a stupid trade! Ceci is going to be a star in this league, what’s the Rush. Paul is a late bloomer big centerman.

          • Harv

            Sure glad you are not the GM. Ceci is untouchable in my mind and from all accounts Paul has a great future. Why trade young talent?

        • spezzerman

          way more offensive than defensive. A true puck mover but his defensive game is where the critics focus. He is really good though

        • Sensnation

          Karlsson and Ceci are two very different types of players. Ceci is a two way, Karlsson is an offensive dman. Yandle is more Karlsson than Ceci or stay at home.

  • Sensnation

    Jacob Markstrom is available from Vancouver. Would be a nice project to put behind Lehner if the cost is reasonable.

  • AutoTurris

    Here’s what I have for 2014-2015 with the mystery trade having fallen through. I wouldn’t mind a change up but at the same time I think this is what we are going to have.

    FORWARDS
    Clarke MacArthur ($3.250m) / Kyle Turris ($3.500m) / Mark Stone ($0.603m)
    Milan Michalek ($4.000m) / Mika Zibanejad ($0.894m) / Bobby Ryan ($5.100m)
    Colin Greening ($2.650m) / David Legwand ($3.000m) / Alex Chiasson ($0.867m)
    Mike Hoffman ($0.750m) / Zack Smith ($1.888m) / Erik Condra ($1.250m)
    Chris Neil ($1.900m) / Derek Grant ($1.000m) /
    DEFENSEMEN
    Erik Karlsson ($6.500m) / Jared Cowen ($3.100m)
    Patrick Wiercioch ($2.000m) / Marc Methot ($3.000m)
    Mark Borowiecki ($0.575m) / Eric Gryba ($1.250m)
    Chris Phillips ($2.500m) /
    GOALTENDERS
    Craig Anderson ($3.188m)
    Robin Lehner ($3.000m)
    BONUS OVERAGE
    $0
    ——
    CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
    (estimations for 2014-15)
    SALARY CAP: $69,000,000; CAP PAYROLL: $55,764,167; BONUSES: $1,153,333
    CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $13,235,833

    • Rafi Bomb

      1. Lazar is pretty much a lock to make the team.
      2. At this point, I will be surprised if Hoffman makes it.
      3.I could see Grant looking for a one way in arbitration but he doesn’t deserve it and I could see the Sens be looking to move him
      4. Both Condra and Greening are on the trade block so there is a decent chance that neither is on the team come training camp
      5. Zero chance that Condra pushes Neil out of the lineup
      6. We need a heavyweight for the 13th/14th forward role

      • AutoTurris

        While I agree with most of what you said, I want to discuss a few points.
        I think Lazar will play for us for a few games, but an NHL regular, I’m not convinced as of yet. I’d be stoked. But not sure.
        The whole point of the roster above was that I was using players that are on the roster now with no trade. I’d be more than happy and open to a trade, that was just what I thought it might looks like if there was no trade.
        Call Neil and Phillips being pushed out of the lineup wishful thinking.
        If we can’t move a D body – which was the basis of this lineup – do you think Ceci will be sent down or one of our rosters will be waived? I went the Ceci moves down route, but could be more than wrong

      • jimmyjohnson

        1. Lazar is a lock to make the team out of training camp. He is far from a lock to play 82 (or be here throughout).
        2. At what point? At the point that he proved himself an NHL caliber player last year after crushing the AHL? You mean that point? Oh. k.
        3. Agreed.
        4. There is a better chance that Murray believes they are worth considerably more than other teams and so they’ll be here to start the season.
        5. It could happen…if, for instance, Condra pushes Neil off the team bus and Neil breaks something… that technically qualifies. It could happen.
        6. No. No we don’t.
        7. So was Zibanejad last year…

        • ProfessorPower

          Its up to Lazar, I think he will take his opportunity and run..but Condra has to beat out both Lazar and Neil to make it.

          Hoffman was not given a 1 way contract, that’s the confidence of the organization. So not at all a lock to play LW for us, could be the 13th forward.

          Garrioch has tweeted Greening and Condra are being shopped for the right price.

          We do need a Heavy, not having one was a bad idea last time. We could however trade greening and sign another agitator to fill the toughness gap.

          I think Ceci will make it out of camp. If not it will take him 10 games, took Zbad 6. Without Ceci we have Karlsson and Gryba on RHD.

          soo..all of his points are likely correct. This Mystery trade will give us more information to go off of however.

          • jimmyjohnson

            lol at your last statement.
            1. No one stating that Lazar will play the season here or “take his opportunity and run” can say they are right, at this point.
            2. Hoffman put up well over a point per game in the AHL last year. He also clearly established himself on the NHL roster by seasons end. They gave him a 1 year contract because they aren’t sure what he’s capable of. He accepted a 2-way to help a broke ass team in the event that he gets demoted and no one picks him up. He’s probably pretty confident that he will play his way onto the NHL roster. I’m sure they are as well.
            3. That in no way disproves what I said. I said the price Murray thinks is right is probably way higher than other teams.
            4. There’s no need for a heavyweight. Our record without and record with is pretty much identical.
            5. Zibanejad didn’t push his way back onto the roster. The roster fell back to him. Don’t get that confused.

          • ProfessorPower

            Lol at all of your statements.

            No one can say he will NOT make it and be right at this point LOL dumb point. Clearly my opinion/projection.

            A one year two way contract..not cause they don’t have full confidence for him to play,hes just doing us a favor. How the Fuck did you come up with that? You talk to him? A one year two way contract is there for a reason.

            So you know the asking price is too high? If he gets beat out trade him for a pick since we can’t take a roster player back.

            What was our record this season with Kassian this season? And a heavy will play 20 games so he won’t be taking up a roster spot, just be subsisted in for a 4th liner then roll 3 lines. If not, I told you the other option.

            Karlsson and Gryba our only RHD’s. Most likely trading a dman if this mystery trade happens. Seems like the roster will ‘fall back on him’.

          • jimmyjohnson

            That dumb point about Lazar was one you missed with your initial statement about his answers being correct. You get that, right?

            Your argument re: Hoffman is based on circumstantial evidence. That shit doesn’t hold up. I may also have a little inside info, yes.

            I don’t know what the asking price is, but I know they haven’t been traded yet. If they are actually on the block and no one picks them up, then yeah, it’s pretty likely the asking price was too high. I guarantee Murray doesn’t think they are as worthless as people like yourself.

            Your other agitator idea is reasonable. Someone who can play is a better idea than someone who can’t. (There is no way I’m looking up our record with Kassian and without this year. If you have that info, feel free to pass it along).

            I don’t doubt that Ceci will be in the discussion in the fall—I would also include him in any projected lineup—but that doesn’t mean that his contract status can’t play against him. If they go into the year with 8 D, don’t be surprised if 1 of them is moved by November. If they aren’t committed to losing one of the 1-way’s and he hasn’t locked up a spot, he may be demoted. It’s a plausible scenario and my point is not to discount it.

          • ProfessorPower

            I said “all of his points are likely correct”..Likely, as in I think his statement about Lazar being a lock to make the team is likely correct based on BM, and Randy Lee’s comments. You can read, right?

            If you have inside info then you win..But if you were GM would you give him a one year two-way contract if you feel the way you do? No, you would give him a one way, or at least term, if you were fully confident of his position on the team. That’s why two-way contracts exist.

            I don’t think Condra and Greening are worthless, I think we have better players coming up. If so, trading them for picks or in a package would make more sense then 1) letting them take a spot from a kid and 2) trading them one-for-one because that wouldn’t solve the roster spot issue.

            Ask Mendes about Kassian and his impact: http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/teams/story/?id=441766&hubname=nhl-senators

            Good, we all think Ceci will/should make the team.

            Conclusion once again: soo..all of his points are likely correct. This Mystery trade will give us more information to go off of however

          • jimmyjohnson

            “You can read, right?”
            Do you have emotional issues? You should go talk to someone.

            re:Hoffman, you mean like they did with Jim O’Brien?

            You think Greening and Condra are worthless. The league doesn’t agree. Your opinion wins? GG.
            There’s really no grasp of devil’s advocate on this site. You people just pick a position and die with it. And I’m the one with comprehension problems. lol.

          • ProfessorPower

            I said they were not worthless. And once again you said nothing in this post. Good day sir

            Flawless Victory!

          • jimmyjohnson

            Oh, and that link you provided…is bullet riddled. I’m not even going to point out all the reasons why that phenomenon should be ignored.

          • ProfessorPower

            Because you have no argument so you just shit out of your mouth with this post. Thankyou.

          • jimmyjohnson

            I’ve been holding back, but you are honestly the most arrogant and deluded poster on here. You have a shit take. You also seem pretty fucking stupid to me. I’m guessing you’re a failure in life?
            GG champ.
            Oh, and I can fucking annihilate that dumb fuck article if I try to. I genuinely don’t want to make the effort, least of all to educate a mug like you.
            This is the last reply you’ll get from me. Fuck yourself.

          • ProfessorPower

            Hahaha you mad bro?

          • Rafi Bomb

            Bryan Murray explicitly stated on July 1st that the team is adding competitive guys in Lazar and Boroweicki. He also stated towards the end of last season that he wanted Lazar on the team last year but decided against it because he had a real good chance to take on a bigger role in the WHL and he had an opportunity to play in the WJHC. Aside from that he was just named the hardest worker at the prospect camp. He has the size, the grit, the skating ability and the defensive acumen to step right into an NHL role and make a player like Condra expendable. Barring Lazar “shitting the bed” in training camp, he is going to make the team out of camp. As far as the amount of games he will end up playing, that will be determined by his consistency. But given the fact that he plays “MacLean” style hockey, there is a low probability that he ever ends up getting scratched.

            As far as Hoffman goes, the question isn’t whether he will be playing in the NHL, it is whether he will be playing for the Senators. The comments about Hoffman by Randy Lee and Bryan Murray as well as the fact that he got a two way contract are a clear indication that he still needs to earn a roster spot out of camp. Based on his production last season, we are looking at a 25 year old who is supposed to be a top six player but only put up 6 points in 25 games played. Those aren’t great stats for a player his age and this is an important variable because a guy like Hoffman needs to produce points to take a roster spot, he doesn’t bring enough other elements to take on a bottom six role.

            In regards to Greening and Condra’s trade value, and its impact on them getting traded, the Senators likely aren’t expecting much in return so them getting traded is a high probability from that perspective. Certainly some teams might not like their contracts, but the amount of quality free agents left is very low so some team might want to bolster their bottom six and both those players can play. Between the two, Condra has the higher probability of getting traded as he isn’t very expensive and is a PK specialist which might be needed on some teams.

            We also need to add a heavyweight to the team. The main rationale behind not carrying them is that there are fewer of them in the NHL and due to that fact and the instigator rule, there is no one for them to fight so they are essentially useless because their hockey skill is of a much inferior quality. So the key factor here is making an assessment of whether to carry a heavyweight or not based on the current market. Seeing as Burke and Treliving loaded up on toughness in Calgary, that had a causal impact on other enforcers getting NHL jobs. The majority of teams across the league carry a legitimate heavyweight at this point either on their team or waiting in the minors. We don’t have anyone in Binghamton who could be called up for that role at this point so there is a need in the organization to carry a guy either as an extra forward or down in Binghamton until we need them. Another thing that further creates the need is that Toronto is still planning on keeping both Orr and McLaren to go along with the likes of Clarkson and Brodie and the Islanders have a very physical team with Carkner, Boulton, Gallant, Martin, Clutterbuck and Conacher. A heavyweight could be useful against physical teams like Anaheim, LA, Sa Jose, St Louis, Philadelphia and Columbus as well as teams that carry a few enforcers such as Brooklyn, Calgary and Toronto. Overall, I don’t see the issue with carrying a heavyweight because at max they play 40 games a season (probably a lot closer to 20) so they aren’t really pushing players out of the lineup, they can be useful against physical teams and they provide some entertainment to the fans. Maybe you don’t like fighting, which is fine, but there are still tons of fans who do.

            As far as Ceci goes, he is a much better skater and is more well rounded than Wiercioch. Maybe he will struggle next season, but at this point, he has pushed Wierioch down the depth chart and potentially out of the organization based on his play. The fact that he is a right handed d man, further creates the appeal of keeping him around as we lack them at this point. Much like Lazar, Ceci is essentially a lock to make the team as he would have to have a terrible training camp to get sent down.

          • jimmyjohnson

            He stated the same thing about Cowen 3 months before sending him back again. There is no argument to be made against “he’ll play 9 games and then they’ll see where they’re at with him”. Why you guys keep trying to fight that, I have no idea. And that quote on Boro and Lazar is taken so far out of context, it’s insane.

            This contract for Hoffman is a “prove it” contract. He accepted it extraordinarily early in the process. Doesn’t that register with anyone?

            Both Greening and Condra are attractive to teams for various reasons. The only people who think they aren’t are fans. It’s pretty standard stuff. Your collective dislike of them doesn’t minimize the value they hold in hockey circles. They won’t get bluechips but they won’t be traded for scraps for nothing. He’ll hold on to them if that’s what’s being offered. It’s really simple.

            Not all teams employ heavyweights and you don’t need one to be successful. A team like Ottawa, with so many young players needing time at the NHL level, shouldn’t be clogging the system with players like that. Mental toughness is more important that brute force. This team shouldn’t rely on an enforcer to protect their will to fight and win.

            Ceci is very very unlikely to get sent down. It’s possible though. That’s the point. He has a 2 way, he’s going into the slump year, he faded at the end of last season…he could easily be sent down. He probably won’t, because of the guys he’s competing with, but it could happen.

      • SensFanInMTL

        Holy fuck, 20 thumbs for you, sir.

      • Harv

        1. I think he gets his 9 games and then heads west.
        2. Hoffman was an AHL all star. He gets half a year to prove he belongs.
        3. Grant could replace Smith but Smith is a keeper. Grant stays in Bingo or gets moved.
        4. Doubt anyone will take Greening or Condra. I think we can live with Condra but Greening contract creates a logjam – ergo, Lazar goes west.
        5. Neil is loved by McLean.
        6. Neil – thank goodness it is not Kassian.
        7. #3 D man right now until proven different. #1 Karlson, #2 Methot, #3 Ceci, #4 Weircoch, #5 Gryba, #6 Cowen, #7 Boro, #8 Phillips.

      • AutoTurris

        If I could just interject once again, for things are getting far too carried away down below; this was what I thought the roster would look like if we COULDN’T move bodies. Take shots at my speculations as you wish, but just for context’s sake, hear me out. Trust me, I’d rather have Lazar on this line-up than Greening

    • Sensnation

      That lineup definitely compounds the fact that at least 1, if not both, of Condra and Greening need to move out to make room for Lazar and possibly Puemple. Agree with Rafi’s points below as well.

    • Jakester

      Who has said that the mystery trade has fallen through?

      • AutoTurris

        Please excuse me, what I was trying to convey there was ‘in the event’ that the trade falls through

        • Jakester

          No prob bro!

      • Keregan

        i think it’s speculation base on St-Laurent’s tweet

    • WaitingSince92

      Seems like the right roster, with a couple of minor implications that seem unrealistic. Mostly just that Neil/Phillips would be press box types (although, we can dream, can’t we?).

      Also, I noticed you don’t have Lazar or Ceci, and although it’s certainly arguable, you could say a year not in the NHL would do more harm than good for their development at this point.

      Other than that, it just seems sad that we’re setting ourselves up to make the same mistake as last year, assuming one (two next year) of our D will be take a huge step forward (ie Cowen to the top pair, Ceci or Wiercioch in the top 4). It could happen, but D playing over their heads (Phillips, Wiercioch, Gryba & Cowen) was an integral part of last year’s failure.

    • spgottawa

      Not bad. On my depth chart Stone is the 3rd line RW. Also, no way Boro plays and Ceci doesn’t. Still think a trade is coming – maybe not quite the magnitude of what I though before the Legwand signing.

  • Sandy

    Nashville Predators Statement on Mike Fisher

    Monday, 07.07.2014 / 5:00 PM / News

    Nashville, Tenn. – Nashville Predators President of Hockey Operations/General Manager David Poile released the following statement today regarding forward Mike Fisher.

    “Predators forward and alternate captain Mike Fisher sustained a ruptured Achilles tendon during a training session and underwent successful surgery on Thursday, July 3. We expect Mike to make a full recovery in four-to-six months, and look forward to his return to the ice.

    • MethotToMyMadness

      Oh wow, I heard someone say something about Fisher this weekend, but I couldn’t get internet connect to validate what happened and then I forgot about it, until now. That’s horrible news but happy to hear the surgery was successful. I guess it’s safe to say Nashville is back in the hunt for another Center.

      • Sandy

        Fisher has 1 yr left on his contract and their were rumours that he was considering retirement at the young age of 35.

        • MethotToMyMadness

          Well when your Wife is the majority bread winner and you are looking to have a Family, Fisher boy becomes Mr Stay at home. And if I was him, I’d have no problem with that.

          • Keregan

            My dream life, marrying a rich cute girl, stay at home all days doing the laundry and playing video games ahhhhhh

          • peetypuck

            Hell no, let the maid do the laundry.

        • ProfessorPower

          sugar Mama

    • Jakester

      Man is that team in big trouble, maybe when can send them Zack Smith and a second rounder for Forsberg. They’ll need a centerman and the Sens have too many.

      • jimmyjohnson

        “the Sens have too many.”
        who??
        5 centermen, including one on a 2-way, is not “too many”

        • ProfessorPower

          Ya we have Turris Zibanejad Legwand and Smith…you are not going to put Pageau or Lazar on the forth line checking role between Greening and Neil. I think our centers are set for this coming season.

          • Jakester

            Pageau at the end of the year was awesome. He plays with a lot more speed and intensity than Smith does. Hell, if a team overpays for a Zack Smith it would be nice.

          • ProfessorPower

            Pageau played like crap with the big club at the start of the season. BM wants to get bigger, and like I said he is suited for a 3rd line energy role. Smith is a better option that pageau on the 4th line.

          • SensFanInMTL

            Grant unfortunately will never play another game in the NHL for as long as it lasts.

          • WaitingSince92

            He seemed like a great 4th liner. Impressed me when he was called up. Didn’t have offensive prowess, but did all the right things.

          • Rafi Bomb

            I am curious as to why you make such an assessment. I know that Randy Lee said that some guys didn’t react well to being sent down last season and felt that they didn’t get a fair chance. Seeing as the only guys getting sent down were Zibanejad, Pageau, Da Costa, Stone, Borowiecki and Grant, my guess is that Grant was the guy who didn’t react well to his demotion. Is this what you are referring to?

          • Harv

            We keep forgetting about Grant. I think the Sens have as well. But, we sure do not have too many centers.

          • ChampIsHere

            Smith is an ideal 3/4 center, and if he puts more energy in his game like he did in 2012/2013 or whenever he plays the Canadiens, he’ll have a much better year.

  • Sandy

    Another captain leaving and taking a shot at Sens ownership:

    “I think it’s paramount to be in an organization that’s committed to winning. I think that word gets around the League fast when a team has made a decision to try to be a team that tries to compete every year and win,” Spezza said. “As a player, that’s all you want, is that opportunity to give yourself a chance to win.”

    • Jakester

      He’s a Dufus, this team was never going to get anywhere with Spezza.

      • Sandy

        It’s all about the perception of the Owner not funding a team with the sole commitment to winning.

        • Jakester

          He was told that his act was going to be she somewhere else. Then he makes it look like he’s leaving cuz the Sens aren’t committed to winning?? He’s a joke, anyhow Dallas good luck with that.

          • wild bill

            Nickel and dime team committed to winning!

      • Sensnation

        Never going to get anywhere? Where have you been for the last decade.

        • s3nsfan

          well considering we’ve won 1 playoff round since ’07 cup final, they weren’t really going anywhere. Oh and I believe spezza didn’t play when they beat the canadiens in the first round.

          Spezza is a talented player who is less than thrilled to play two way hockey. I would much rather have 20 less skilled guys than him who play a solid 200′ game then relying on a couple skilled guys who may or may not back check depending on the night of the week.

          Time to move on and I for one, am happy to have this chapter closed.

    • ProfessorPower

      Getting rid of Spezza is a move towards winning. Does he not get that lol

      • peetypuck

        Ha, the team looks much better already without him.

      • Harv

        Yaser! Yaser!

        Dallas will enjoy the highlight reel moves but will eventually get tired of those behind the back drop passes to the opposition going the other way.

    • WaitingSince92

      Yeah, I heard that one. Pretty blunt, obvious and plainly-stated.

      One thing I haven’t seen a lot of people post about was Spezza’s second half of last year. Is it just me, or did he kick it into high gear when we started having ‘must-win’ games?!? Not so much on the backcheck, but he WANTED the puck BADLY and he would carry it over the other team’s blueline, in full stride, over and over for possession. A little ranty here, but I just get the feeling that Spezza’s going to have an amazing season in Dallas next year. For all the faults in his game, I think we just used him in the wrong capacity.

      • s3nsfan

        I said it earlier, with the travel schedule and the higher quality opponents in the western conference, spezza will not have the year everyone is hoping for or expecting. JMO

        • Magnus Nor

          But he will face second lines and seconds pairings:P

      • MethotToMyMadness

        I think a lot of it happened in the last 20 games, when Hemsky was brought into the fold. The addition of Hemsky really sparked something in Spezza. It’s no wonder they kept in touch and talked about going to the same team, it’ll be fun to see if they can continue that type of play in Dallas. If they do, the Stars will have something great going on on the top two lines with the chemistry already very high between Benn and Seguin.

    • Frankie Fives

      How is he taking a shot at the Sens? He’s simply stating that he’s happy to be going to a Stars team that seems to be making a big push to chase a Cup. Nowhere in this statement did he call out the Sens organization

  • MethotToMyMadness

    Really enjoyed the recent piece by Yost about Condra. I’ve been one of the few who back this guy up over and over. And his points about his cap value to a strapped team and his corsi%’s are bang on. Corsi is something I’m still digging into and getting a better understanding of, but those numbers are Re-donkulous!!

    • jimmyjohnson

      “I’ve been one of the few who back this guy up over and over.”
      Yost or Condra?

      Condra is like a D-man that can’t hold the line in the o-zone. His lack of finish is so problematic that his possession stats are rendered irrelevant. If you destroy offense both ways, the caliber of the offense going in the direction of your net is usually pretty high. Even if that doesn’t turn out against you, it typically gathers momentum for the opposition.

      • Jakester

        Condra just doesn’t fit in anymore.

        • ProfessorPower

          Yup, doesn’t matter how good someone thinks Condra is..Ryan Stone Chiasson and Lazar are all better players. Neil brings the physical element that we need, Condra simply is good a PK and we have half our team that can play PK. Expendable piece, and if he is half as good as Yost seems to think he should get us a good return on the trade market (which he won’t – because he’s not that good)

          • Senswest

            He is being a great warrior for us but you are right it is time to say goodbye because we have young kids that are better!!!

          • WaitingSince92

            but none of Ryan, Stone, Chiasson or Lazar are fourth liners (yes, even Lazar – I imagine he’s in the juniors or on our third line, likely the latter).

            Not only that, but compare Condra’s salary with Ryan’s. Now compare what you’d imagine Stone/Chiasson/Lazar get paid over their career and compare it with Condra.

            You need to have SOME cheap guys too, and not just because they’re on an ELC.

          • ProfessorPower

            Neil is the 4th liner, whether anyone likes it or not he is a lock at that position. Condra is signed for only one more year, and in that year he is more expensive than those three.

          • Rafi Bomb

            Condra is a utility player whose primary skill set is penalty kill. At this point we have an abundance of players on the roster and pushing for spots down in Binghamton who can kill penalties. Seeing as Condra doesn’t bring much more to the table aside from that, he is expendable because his overall skill set can be replaced.

            All 4th liners are cheap and the reason why is because they aren’t skilled enough to earn a bigger contract. 4th liners tend to be utility players as they only have one major skill in their game (PK, faceoffs, agitating, enforcing) which decreases their potential compensation. Every off season there are 4th liners that can be had for cheap and organizations tend to have multiple guys on their farm team just waiting to take over such a role. The majority of them will make less money than Condra which makes them a more appealing option from a budgetary stand point.

            Also given the fact that we have an abundance of players with his skill set, we might as well replace him with a different type of utility player.

      • Frankie Fives

        Too many fans are stuck on stats instead of seeing the big picture.

        Condra is a 4th liner. He isn’t paid to score goals. He’s paid to kill penalties and play good, sound defensive hockey. He can play vs the other team’s 4th line and usually has the puck in the offensive zone due to his great possession skills. He can also play against better competition and you’re not worried about him being a liability in his own end. He has a cheap contract too so why would we want to move him out?

        Greening on the other hand is making a lot of money for a guy who plays on the 3rd or 4th line most nights. With what he’s being paid, he NEEDS to score more goals.

        Pretty simple if you ask me

    • A-Train

      Just went to go check out that piece by Yost you’re referring to. It’s a great example of his weaknesses as a writer and analyst.

      He uses the report that the Senators may be shopping Greening and Condra to construct a premise: The team sees the value of these two players as equal.

      Then he uses that premise as a straw man to reinforce his argument about underlying stats. The organization must be simply insane to think these guys have equal value, etc.

      Even assuming the report is true, how does it follow that the team sees these guys as equal in value. One plays the left side, the other plays the right. One has a fairly large contract, the other quite small. Maybe they are both expendable, just for different reasons. Each could be valuable to another team given that team’s needs.

      Condra is the type of player the stats community loves. They want to find value in player qualities that are undervalued in the marketplace. It’s a laudable goal, but once a guy like Yost latches on to a Condra — he’s just as dogmatic as a Don Cherry-style grit enthusiast embracing a great “character guy”. In both cases clearer heads can look at the player and see he has limited use. Just like Condra.

      • WaitingSince92

        I like stats, but it’s important to realise that they’re just a tool, just a part of the complete picture. I definitely hear you on the over-bearing dogma part.

        Really don’t like it when people mess up their cause/effect, saying things like “If he can just get his corsi up a little, above X, he’d be playing better”

      • kubastink

        I dont see anywhere where he states the players are equal… ? All he is saying Condra is better value for the money and ask why would it be worthwhile to move Condra and replace with someone who likely wont come close to the same value assuming an equivalent contract. Yost actually states in the article that the two players arent comparable.
        Dont get me wrong, I am not here to defend Yost. But I do read his material and take it as opinion, like anything else written on the net.

        • A-Train

          I take that as the basic premise of his piece. That because they are both being dangled they are both seen as equally expendable.

          When He says he’s “written at length about how they aren’t really cômparable” he means that HE is the guy who has pointed this out…that it’s something the team is missing.

          Then again it’s sometimes difficult to pull any meaning from his stuff. I’m not sure he really knows what he’s trying to say.

          What irks me is the tone of scientific certainty.

          • spezzerman

            I get where you’re going and normally agree but there is a huge difference between equally expendable and equal value. I dont see him saying they have equal value and he actually goes out of his way to make sure there is no confusion there.

            Where I take issue with his article is the presumption that the Sens see Condra as part of the problem. Its hardly that – he was never benched as far as I can recall and he always played the same minutes, the same role. No one in Ottawa MGMT sees him as a problem. But, i would rather have Ryan, Stone, Chiasson, Lazar ahead of him. All are possession drivers and we have plenty of wingers who can kill penalties. right or wrong, Chris Neil, as has been said, is set in stone as the fourth liner RW. Condra is expendable, nothing more, nothing less.

            My preference would be to keep Condra on the 4th line RW, let Lazar center that 4th line, trade Smith and sit Neil regularly if he comes back the same player he was last year, which is likely.

      • Rafi Bomb

        Great post.

  • MethotToMyMadness

    Re-reading Chirps post, if we are looking for a strong LW, and history usually see’s trades from East to West, it seems the Central has been where the most action has been with teams looking to bolster rosters before the start of the season. That being said, I’d guess a team from the Central is where this mystery trade, if it happens, is made.

    However, I can’t see us obtaining anyone of great value from one of the power house teams who are fully competing for a cup run, unless it’s a salary dump or bad contract situation. So teams like Chicago, St Louis, Colorado and I guess you could throw Dallas in that mix now, wouldn’t be a good trading partner.

    So it’s possible, that we may be trying to pick off players from the bottom feeders who don’t feel like they will compete in such a strong division and may be looking to rebuild with prospects. So teams like Nashville and Winnipeg may very well be the choice candidates. If you are looking at Winnipeg, you’d have to think Ottawa is asking about Evander Kane, who has already been mentioned to be on the block. Or Ladd to a lesser extent. If it’s Nashville, maybe we steal James Neal from them? Outside of Neal I don’t see much else available.

    • WaitingSince92

      If we got Kane, we could have a Turri-cane line

      • s3nsfan

        That’s Mac-Turri-Cane line to you MR. lol

  • Texmex55

    Why was Tim Boyle not at the Development Camp? was there any other notable omissions?

    • Texmex55

      Wikstrand and Baillargeon?

      • Imasensfan

        Wikstrand was there.

  • Senswest

    Now that Bryan is going to take care of his health, does it mean any trade will have to way or you guys thing that Pierre and Randy have the green light to finish that trade speculation???

    • MisterUtterbag

      Pierre will take over if bm thinks he is ready.

      Bm is not out of the picture. He is just getting treatment

      • Senswest

        I know he is not out of the picture but they probably will have to talk to Bryan before they accept any trade i would assume!!! But priority is for Bryan to take of himself and get better soon!!! was just wondering that alll

        • Sandy

          I would assume everything goes through Bryan.
          The only pressing issue right now is the Lehner contract followed by the renewal of Ryan & MacArthur.
          I’m sure Bryan has already done a lot with the latter two. Dorion was mainly dealing with Lehner’s contract.

      • Rafi Bomb

        Murray can move into an advisor role if need be.

    • WaitingSince92

      Have to imagine Lee, Dorion and Murray have talked so much that they’re all on the same page.

  • Cy Denneny

    Hypothetically speaking, if all 28 teams decided not to trade with Boston or Chicago, they would start the season over the salary cap. Then what? Do they forfeit there games?
    Interesting spot they put themselves in. Obviously won’t happen, but interesting game of chicken, especially with all the no movement or restricted movement clauses in players contracts these days.

    • Pasky

      If they do trade Sharp for example, it could lead to a high stakes game of chicken by the other GMs to try and give as little as possible. Like you said, I also doubt it happens but it would be neat to see if all other teams would go this route.

  • thepez

    If anyone heard Sylvain St.Laurent on tsn1200 yesterday, he mentioned that the Sens knew that BM was ill and were waiting to make the announcement after the draft and after the free agent frenzy had subsided. He also mentioned that the Sens lineup looks to be set and that he did not anticipate any more deals, according to his sources.
    I guess we may have to wait for any extensions to the “big 4″ that will be UFA’s in 2015.

  • Magnus Nor

    Ottawa Senators
    Liked · 24 mins

    Congratulations to #Sens prospect Curtis Lazar on being named the “Hardest Worker” at #SensDevCamp.

    MORE: http://ottsens.com/1zmQ4Cm

    • s3nsfan

      why would you post this, according to tooks it’s nothing more than the most improved. Nothing to celebrate or brag about

      LOL

  • Gavin Ray

    I guess there wont be a deal happening…

  • Adam

    It’s obvious that we will not trade in division. Neil and Phillips will not be traded simply for their veteran leadership, after all they were the 2 A’s this season. Will either of these become the next captain, probably not. They are good players, Neil is our best tough guy, and Phillips, well, he just signed a new contract and looks like he wants to finish his career in Ottawa. The only expendable players I see on the roster are Greening and Wiercioch whom we can actually get something back for.