Senators Begin Life Without Spezza

SensChirp July 2, 2014 1,196
Senators Begin Life Without Spezza

It wasn’t the busy day some in the organization claimed it would be but in the end the Ottawa Senators took care of their biggest piece of unfinished business.

For the second consecutive summer, the Captain of the Senators is heading elsewhere. The Sens sent Jason Spezza and Ludwig Karlsson to the Dallas Stars in exchange for Alex Chiasson, Alex Guptill, Nicholas Paul and a 2nd round pick in next year’s draft. It’s certainly not a jaw dropping return but rather one that will take a few years to really play out. All four of those pieces have the potential to be good NHL players but it doesn’t do a whole lot for the Senators heading into next season.

Internally though, there seems to be a lot of excitement about the players Ottawa was able to pick up from the Stars and that’s a good sign. In a bit of a strange twist, each of those players was drafted within one spot of an Ottawa Senators selection. Jakub Culek was taken one spot ahead of Alex Guptill in the 2010 Draft. Tobias Lindberg was taken by the Senators at 102nd overall in 2013 and the Stars took Nick Paul with the 101st pick. And Alex Chiasson went 38th overall in 2009, immediately followed by Jakob Silfverberg.

It might be a couple years before we can completely judge this trade, especially is Spezza ends up going to free agency at the end of the season. What we do know is Ottawa got back three big, talented hockey players that will have a chance to make an impact with this team in the future.

And in the end Jason Spezza got what he wanted. A chance to move to an organization that is committed to building a winner. And despite Murray’s best efforts, it’s extremely difficult to do that here in Ottawa right now.

The Senators also signed Milan Michalek to a three year deal worth $12 million. It’s pretty big money for Michalek but in the end he took a little less money to stay here in Ottawa. There was a lot of handwringing over this deal yesterday but when Michalek is healthy, like he was down the stretch last season, he is an effective player. More importantly, he wants to be an Ottawa Senator. That matters.

A few other thoughts from a frantic Free Agency Day

-In the end, the Senators took the best deal that remained on the table. The Blues were focused on their pursuit of Paul Stastny, although their GM indicates he planned to circle back to Ottawa and try to add Spezza as well. I believe the Senators also talked to the Florida Panthers about a Spezza deal on Draft Day and were sort of engaged in ongoing discussions with the Colorado Avalanche. Chicago was interested but just didn’t have room under the Cap.

-Murray was clearly on the defensive a little bit yesterday, especially when speaking about the reasons why Spezza wanted out.  At one point he seemed to suggest that there were reports the team had asked Spezza to leave.  Not sure I ever saw such a report.  The concern people had was the reason WHY Spezza was asking out and it’s pretty clear that his reasons have almost everything to do with wanting to be a part of an organization that’s committed to winning.  Murray also disagreed that money had anything to do with his departure, suggesting that they offered Spezza an extension.  That’s true but like Alfie before him, this is about more than the money to one player.  It’s about budget flexibility that allows you to surround players with other talent.  That flexibility does not currently exist in Ottawa.

-Lots of talk about the potential deal Murray is working on. Trying to piece together clues from yesterday’s press conference is a little tricky because Murray seemed to contradict himself a couple times. Early on he was asked specifically if the deal was for a centre and he said “No, not necessarily.” Whereas later in the press conference, he seemed to identify a need at the centre ice position. But then he went on to say Curtis Lazar might play centre with the NHL team. Either way, I suspect we’ll hear more about this today.  You would think a defenceman would be on the way out in the deal.  On TSN1200 this morning, Pierre McGuire suggested it may be Blues Centre Patrick Berglund.

-Unfortunately nothing new on extensions for the four UFAs to be yesterday. Obviously the most important of those being Bobby Ryan. I really do believe Ryan was and is willing to stay but like star players before him, wants to see the team doing things that suggest they are trying to building a winning team in the near future. The Senators did not do that yesterday. Not coincidentally, Bobby Ryan did not sign an extension yesterday.

  • RUSH RLZ

    I like the idea to go without an image for this one. “Missing”.

    Thanks by the way Chirp for having the Disqus widget tweaked to show newest posts first, that is super helpful, especially on crazy days like yesterday!

  • senate19

    I can’t help but wonder if Ryan will be traded to Philly today. Sucks to think like that, but stranger things have happened

  • my2sens

    I think I lost my rose-coloured glasses yesterday at the fireworks. :-(

    It is not going to be a good season for Ottawa and our 3 year rebuild enters year 3+. Groan… Hope we can convince Ryan to stay.

    As for any ‘new’ trades. I am not going to hold my breath either. I will just await to hear the news that we have just traded away for a 45 year old curling member as we did for Kovalev.

    I am usually a high spirited guy and am full of optimism, but seeing as what other teams did yesterday and we didn’t….

    Thank you Euge for saving the team, but for the love of God, throw some money to build a contender. You’re pissing money….

    • senate19
      • WaitingSince92

        The second such petition I’ve seen – and it’s just as poorly written as the first.

        • senate19

          I take offense to that as I spent a good deal of time on it – I suggest you may want to write a better one

          • EK65

            I suggest you stop making petitions.

          • senate19

            Pretty happy with ownership these days I guess?

          • WaitingSince92

            Sorry, I don’t mean to offend you (really, I don’t), I just call them as I see them.

          • senate19

            Just a passionate subject -

          • EK65

            Asking for Eugene Melnyk to speak publicly is like asking for a punch in the jaw.

          • RUSH RLZ

            I know it’s a bit early the day after Canada Frenzy Day but, I’m not buying your metaphor haha.

          • EK65

            Every time he opens his mouth he hurts the team or makes himself look silly, that’s all.

      • my2sens

        Sadly, voicing our opinions doesn’t seem to matter to Euge. He is content sitting in the tropical sun losing more money in another investment.

        As someone said before, he is probably using the Sens as a cover for another scheme… starting to believe it!

      • Stephane Cantin

        easy to spend other people money…maybe some of you should get together and buy the team and spend as much as you want

        • senate19

          I’m a fan of this team and I purchase its merchandise. I’m expressing my opinion because I think I share it with a great many people.

          There are many wealthy suitors out there who would purchase this team if it became available.

          I’m allowed to care about the stability of this franchise

  • WaitingSince92

    If Ryan leaves, there are going to be some fans jumping ship.

  • WaitingSince92

    Still can’t believe we traded Karlsson yesterday. It’s like the highlander – there can be only one.

  • AutoTurris

    So, with trade speculation still on going, who is it that is the most likely D to be on the way out? While we all wish it was #4, I think it will be #46, even though I really don’t want it to be

  • Dirk-Diggler

    So the way I see it is that we still HAVE to spend a few dollars to get to the cap floor and we are looking for a C.

    Sign Grabovsky toa 4 year deal at $4M per…

    Then trade Methot, Puempel Dallas 2nd, Ottawa 2nd for Kane

    • WaitingSince92

      The problem with trading Methot is that it leaves a hole as big as the one you fill with the acquisition.

      • Dirk-Diggler

        Ya, but Methot may be the only piece on D that we can trade that still has a good value right now. Also, in 2-3 years he will be on the decline and Ottawa can’t be tied up with a bad contract.

  • Harry

    If we can’t get Bobby Ryan to sign long-term, I say we should move him now and send him and Wiercioch to COL for Ryan O’Reilly and a 1st Round Pick. Then sign Michael Del Zotto,

    • RUSH RLZ

      Yes. This is go big or go home time now. If we feel he will not resign, trade him at any point to maximize our return and help the team. I love the ROR idea, he is young and fits into the rebuild. As RFA though, what are the risks in getting him re-signed? Worst case scenario he goes to arbitration? I’d love to have him locked up for 4 years at least.

    • spezzerman

      there is no question that the only way he is on our opening night roster is with a nice new extension.

  • BMurray

    Is this B.Murray just keeping Ottawa relevant for the summer, keep mentioning that a trade is close. Hearing right now St-Louis and Buffalo are those Ottawa still talking too.

    We just need to make sure ZIB plays min 16 min per game this year..

    So
    UFA
    ROY is an option and he has been attached to ottawa for several years.

    I still stink we have a huge hole in D on our team and should focus on D…. those 2 second rounders are going to be clutch for us

    • FistsofNeil25

      Roy would be a terrible signing. That guy sucks. Two words that come to mind when I think of Derek Roy are “soft” and “diver”

  • BMurray

    Ryan+ Weircoch for
    Schenn+Coburn+Second

    • Spoons

      I’m up for anything that gives us a great return

  • Dirk-Diggler

    Are we going to be a team that spends to the cap floor or a team that spends 5-6 million more than the floor?

    • BMurray

      The floor till we show we can be consistent

  • Pasky

    If Ryan really doesn’t want to resign here, and Philly is really interested in him, I would do Ryan for Simmonds straight up. We get a young power forward to play on the right side that’s locked up for a few years, Philly gets the Bobby Ryan they so desperately wanted for so long. I would add a prospect or a mid-round pick if needed.

    • KJ

      lets not push Ryan out the door so fast… lol

      • Pasky

        Lol I don’t want to trade him, but I don’t want to go into the season without an extension. If he wants to sign an extension with us by all means keep him, otherwise trade him before losing him for nothing, but instead of a package like Spezza do a 1 for 1 trade where each team gets a quality piece.

        • KJ

          I believe we will sign him, but there isn’t any immediate rush. Probably after some of these pieces BM needs to nail down first.

    • ChampIsHere

      I’d only send Ryan to Philly if we can put a package together for Giroux, if not screw Philly and send Ryan elsewhere so they can overpay for him as a UFA.

  • FistsofNeil25

    Didn’t Murray say yesterday that if any of next years UFA’s feel the team isn’t going to be competitive enough for them to commit to contract extensions, that he will accommodate them with a trade like her did with Spezza?

    • Pasky

      If so, that list includes Ryan, MacArthur, Condra, Methot and Anderson. Out of these players, MacArthur and Condra would most definitely resign if the team is interested, although I can guarantee MacArthur will want closer to 4.5M-5M a year. The team might be ok with letting Anderson walk at the end of the year, or do a trade deadline deal, either way no rush to get something solved with him until the season starts.

      If Methot doesn’t resign, I wouldn’t mind packaging him for a better defenceman to play with Karlsson. As an example, but not saying this is what I want exactly, send Methot+Weircioch to Vancouver for Edler. Just a deal similar to this I would be ok, as long as we get a proven Top 4 in any trade involving Methot.

  • spezzerman

    If the Sens could announce a Bobby Ryan extension today and bring in a skilled F in this supposed trade that would be pretty darned good. Is that too much to ask?

    • RUSH RLZ

      Given the circumstances, it probably is. Hahaha! *sobs hysterically*

      I love Murray, I like the media availability he did yesterday, but he looked very beleaguered, he did not look like a man on the cusp of announcing an awesome trade for Kane or ROR.

      • spezzerman

        Prying Johansen out of Columbus while they bicker over contract term would be a nice coup but would take a lot

        • FistsofNeil25

          Ryan for Johansen. Do it! We can add if we have to!

          • spezzerman

            A part of me feels that Ryan could be the piece going back from Ottawa… I’d be happy with that specific trade but I’d also be fully on the we have no hope of retaining good players so why bother train…

          • FistsofNeil25

            If it were for Johansen I would have absolutely no problem with that. I’d take Johansen over Ryan any day of the week. Johansen is well on his way to becoming a great first line center.

          • spezzerman

            I agree, it would be awesome and in a lot of ways would make perfect sense but it would also likely mean they couldnt sign Ryan cause he wasnt interested. I’m too fragile right now and I need to know that good players are willing to make long term commitments…

        • Zelle

          Dubinsky please.

  • SensChirp
    • spezzerman

      Portrait of an Ass-Grabber. Oooooo portrait, sounds classy.

    • ChampIsHere

      I hope Philly media reacts harshly to this and runs him out of town – to Ottawa (dreaming).

    • MethotToMyMadness

      Well if you’re going to grab ass and end up in the patty wagon, at least it happened on Canada Day!!

    • RUSH RLZ

      Can we detain him in the holding cells in the basement of CTC until he agrees to play for us next season? He can grab my ass if that helps make the sell.

    • Mark

      Giroux is so immature…the Flyers should make a knee jerk reaction and trade him…to Ottawa…for future considerations…

    • FistsofNeil25

      Pretty hilarious story. It’s not like Giroux is some young guy on the Flyers. He’s their captain! I bet the Flyers PR people have no idea what to say.

      It’s pretty funny though. Giroux’s awesome.

      • Sandy

        I know, the Flyers will be so embarrassed to have their captain do that. They will certainly want to trade him out of town.. LOL

    • FistsofNeil25

      Flyers Captain Claude Giroux arrested for sexually assaulting male police officer lol

    • Sens-fan-in-mtl

      oh come on, what happens in Ottawa, stays in Ottawa, especially on Canada Day!

      • Hax

        Not if the Sun gets wind of it.

    • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

      Oh man.. A male police officer too!

      • RUSH RLZ

        It is funnier and seems more harmless that it was a guy cop. If he was groping a female police officer, people wouldn’t think it’s so funny.

        • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

          Agreed that the male cop actually probably saves his ass here.

          I hope we play Philly in the playoffs soon… Get everyone to dress as cops

          • Sandy

            No charges will be laid for Giroux’s actions. I wonder if that was a regular guy if he would get off so easy.

      • FistsofNeil25

        It’s actually better that it was a male cop. It can just be passed off as Giroux just acting like a drunken idiot. If it were a female cop there would probably be charges and such..

        • RUSH RLZ

          Great minds think alike. We should be lawyers or run a sports PR firm or something. We could be like Simon and Simon.

    • CUP 2014-15

      LOL, That is a cop with no sense of humor. I would understand the arrest if it had been a female officer. So he had too many pops on Canada day in the market, good for him, let loose on Free agent day and have some fun celebrating the birthday of this great nation.

      • iKarly65

        harassment is harassment

    • zippy

      A Canadian getting drunk on Canada day! Imagine that.

      A hockey player at that. I like the idea of everyone dressing as cops when he comes to town. Sounds like a classy move.

    • my2sens

      Audition for Village People reunion?

    • Sandy

      Was the cop good looking?

  • MethotToMyMadness

    Regardless of what happens with the RFA signings, there are still some Free Agents on the available list that Ottawa could snap up if offered the right contracts, who all have the ability to play 2nd line minutes (15 to 18) a game. While the bigger names are gone, there are some quality players available which surprised me.

    I’m looking at names like Vrbata (who I’ve preached about for months), Santorelli, Stempniak, Ott, Ribeiro (he could rebound well for cheap), Jokinen (may be too old), Legwand, Kulemin, Grabovski, Winnik and for the last time, Alfredsson. Still a little surprised that Alfie hasn’t signed with the Wings just yet, after saying he wants back. If the Wings really wanted him, wouldn’t they have locked him up already?

    • Sandy

      Even though Alfie told Holland he was coming back to play, he says he’s not 100% yet. He is waiting until August to determine if he is playing for Detroit or retiring.

  • mark33

    hockeybuzz reporting that lazar greening and smith in a package wtf LAZAR

    • KJ

      no way Lazar goes.

  • SensChirp

    This is over on HockeyBuzz. Jackel does seem to have strong connections in Chicago. Really don’t think the Senators have any interest in moving Lazar though…

    Rumor: Chicago-Ottawa Blockbuster Discussed

    “Basic parameters of deal would be:
    Patrick Sharp and Nick Leddy to Ottawa for Colin Greening, Zack Smith
    and 2013 1st round selection, Curtis Lazar. I have heard of Hawk
    interest in Greening and Smith now from two separate sources in the U.S.
    and Canada.”

    • FistsofNeil25

      No not Lazar! Anyone but Lazar!

    • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

      I hope not. Sharp is too old and will not be the piece to put us over the top

      • FistsofNeil25

        Hold on though. If we can do that deal by trading someone like Puempel instead of Lazar we could be one of the top teams in the east!

        Sharp – Zibanejad – Ryan
        MacArthur – Turris – Stone
        Michalek – Lazar – Chiasson
        Hoffman – Grant/Pageau – Neil/Condra

        • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

          That does look pretty sweet.

        • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

          But another d coming as well?!?

          • FistsofNeil25

            Leddy is an upgrade over everyone we have not named Karlsson or Methot.

          • Sandy

            Not at the price of Lazar or Smith.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Lazar no Smith hell yes.

          • Sandy

            Nothing wrong with Smith as a 3rd line centre. He’s gritty (we need more of that) he’s decent defensively and yes he does take penalties. But he’s not alone in that. Smith is liked by the coach and the GM, they are not trading him for a winger and a D and leaving another centre spot to fill.

          • FistsofNeil25

            There’s nothing wrong with Smith as a 3rd line center but if you’re trading him in a package for a first line winger AND a top four puck moving defenseman, you do it without blinking.

            Replacing Zack Smith is a lot easier to do than finding a top line winger or a top four defenseman.

          • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

            Agree… But kinda nuts to take on 9 d on one way unless there is another secondary trade ready immediately

          • Pasky

            Technically it’s 8D and Ceci on a 2-way deal, almost guaranteed to start in the minors.

            Leddy is also another LH shot, so if we add Leddy then send back Weircioch

          • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

            True I forget Ceci is on a two way because he was one of our top guys last year

        • MethotToMyMadness

          With the addition of both Alex Guptill and Nick Paul in our prospects bin (who are both at the Sens Dev Camp today), we have the luxury of using a prospect like Puempel, or Prince in a deal if it helps us land a proven top 6 winger.

      • MethotToMyMadness

        I really hope Ottawa keeps Lazar as an untouchable and forces Chicago to take a lesser prospect, if that rumor has any legs. Just seems the power house teams continue to make moves that involve them losing almost nothing and gaining everything. However, gaining Sharp would be nice!

        • Sandy

          Chicago is 2.2M over the cap. Philly is about 1.2M over the Cap. That stupid Lecavalier signing last season hurt them big time.
          Boston has about 3 players to sign with 1.6M in cap space.
          These 3 teams need to do something to get out of the cap crunch.
          As much as I hate penny-pinching Melnyk, at least the Sens aren’t in the cap hell as some teams are.

          • Pasky

            Philly does lose 5M once Pronger goes to LTIR though, so realy their close to 3M under the cap

          • Sandy

            True, forgot about him.

    • my2sens

      Swap Lazar for Melnyk and done deal.

    • AutoTurris

      The logistics just don’t make sense with this package. Let’s trade; our future, and a centre the organization loves and that we need, for an old -albeit talented- guy and another D man? I’ll saw my leg off if this goes through

      • KJ

        I don’t mind the bulk of the pieces. just don’t want our future Captain going anywhere but here. Lazar stays (God I hope he stays). watched him throughout the entire Oil kings run to the Mem cup victory.

      • zippy

        Swap Puempel for Lazar and it’s a deal.

        Sharp would definitely help convince Ryan to stay, and sell some tickets

        • AutoTurris

          Still wouldn’t like seeing Smith go, if this is legit I hope we could move 1 or 2 D bodies instead of Smith. He’s a beauty and beauties deserve to be with shitty clubs that have shitty owners and few beauties left

          • zippy

            I really like Smith. He plays the right game. He’s tough. More offence than Neil.

    • spezzerman

      Sharp makes no sense for Ottawa

      • SensChirp

        I don’t know what the hell the game plan here in Ottawa is but if it doesn’t include a 30 year old, 30 goal a year guy, then the plan should be changed haha

        • spezzerman

          haha, true.

          • Max Power

            You can not trade lazar

          • spezzerman

            I tend to agree. I wouldnt do it personally, I just though Sharp was in a decline which he isnt…yet.

        • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

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        • FistsofNeil25

          Not if it involves Lazar going to Chicago! We love that kid already. NO way man NO WAY

          • SensChirp

            Agreed on that part. Organization has zero interest in moving Lazar.

          • FistsofNeil25

            I would honestly give up a lot of pieces for a Sharp + Leddy package but Lazar should be untouchable. I would be more devastating if we traded him that I was when Alfie left lol

        • Sandy

          Did you not mention Buffalo yesterday as well? Hodgson & Stewart.
          I would take Hodgson and day of the week. Then I would take Stewart with a D man and trade him for something else.

          • SensChirp

            I mentioned Stewart because those rumours have been there for months. But as of a month ago, people in the organization were saying price was too high. Have no idea where the Hodgson stuff came from.

          • clarkeinthedark

            We’re much too full on the right side for stewart now

    • Harry

      Don’t want to move Lazar, and D man has to go to Chicago.

    • Sandy

      They are not going to trade Lazar. That’s not an option. I will be pissed if they did that and also traded Zack Smith. So they bring in another defenseman to put 9 one way defensive contracts on the roster. That’s smart.
      Chicago has Toews, Richards, Shaw, Kruger, Regin down the middle. What would they do with Zack Smith.
      This just makes no sense to me.

      Sharp also has a NTC and he won’t waive for Ottawa. Not a chance.

      • zippy

        Sharp is from the Peg.

        • FistsofNeil25

          He’s from Thunder Bay

          • FistsofNeil25

            Nevermind you are right.

          • FistsofNeil25

            No wait he was born in Winnipeg but grew up in Thunder Bay lol

          • spezzerman

            haha, thats funny. I swore he was from Thunder Bay, he brought the Cup there. But it does say he is born in Winnipeg all over…

        • Sandy

          What difference does that make. Not coming to Ottawa has nothing to do with the City.
          It’s out there now that the Owner won’t spend to commit to winning the Cup.

    • Dirk-Diggler

      How many D men would Ottawa have?

      I would rather not do that deal

      • my2sens

        09

        • PraiseAlfie11

          And how many of those 9 are top 4 today?

          IF ( HUGE IF) Cowen and PW realize potential that’s one thing. Right now they aren’t close.

    • Pasky

      If we trade Smith then we need to keep Lazar simple as that. Who else do we have down the middle? Pageau and Grant would be terrible for us. Not to mention adding Leddy would mean we have 8D plus Ceci for next season.

      Take out Leddy and Lazar and I would pull the trigger though.

    • AutoTurris

      I would do Greening, Weir and Puempel, but not Lazar, that is too much

      • zippy

        Exactly

    • ChampIsHere

      Moving Smith AND Lazar .. don’t see that happening unless we’re signing a UFA center (Roy) or trading for Berglund.

    • my2sens

      Only acceptable piece in there is Greening.

      • FistsofNeil25

        That’s just crazy. People would easily forget about Zack Smith when they see Sharp and Leddy in a Sens jersey.

        • Sandy

          So Sharp plays centre on the 3rd & 4th lines, as you are now trading those centres away in Smith & Lazar.
          That’s stupid.

          • FistsofNeil25

            NO keep Lazar. There’s no way he does.

            Sharp – Zibanejad – Ryan
            MacArthur – Turris – Stone
            Michalek – Lazar – Chiasson
            Hoffman – Grant/Pageau – Neil/Condra

            That team is as good as any in the eastern conference.

          • Pasky

            Till you look at the back end lol

            I can understand them wanting to move Leddy as that was rumoured in the past, but we have to send back a D if it’s true.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Leddy upgrades our back end.

          • Sandy

            Sharp will not waive to come to Ottawa. Period.

    • EK65

      Ottawa’s needs: Centers

      Ottawa giving up/gaining in the deal: Trading away 2 Centers. Gaining a 9th defenceman.

      Yeaaaaaaah.

      • zippy

        Kramer?

    • laffin681021

      Anyone but Lazar. Throw in stone puempel or prince. I don’t care just not Lazar.then take out smith and add one of our defenseman that’s not Cowen Karlsson or Ceci and I would be fine with the trade.

      • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

        Obviously if you send far worse pieces you’d be happier

        • laffin681021

          Honestly just not Lazar is all I really care about. Kids going to be a stud.

      • RUSH RLZ

        I’m not ready to throw in the towel on Cowen by any means but… if he is a piece to bring great value back, then I am opening to seeing him moved. Depends on the deal.

        • spezzerman

          I feel the same way. If it takes Cowen to land a really good top 6 F with our current D log jame than I’d be okay with it. But I can guarantee that Cowen will be better than last year.

    • RUSH RLZ

      We’ll see how this all plays out. I am still rather “numb” from yesterday frankly. But as Murray hammers through a couple of coffees and into his day, I hope he explores some major moves involving Florida and Chicago.

    • Sandy

      They were saying on the radio this morning that Murray gave a list of prospects for the other team to chose from. I doubt Lazar is on that list.

    • spezzerman

      I just can’t see Ottawa bringing in more d without moving at least one out…

      I also dont see sharp waiving his NMC to come to Ottawa at this point

    • Spoons

      Lazar? LAZAR? Let me put it this way; one scene from the movie “Budapest Grand Hotel” comes to mind… “KEEP YOUR HANDS OFF MY LOBBY BOY!!!”

      • Mark

        Is that the sequel to Grand Budapest Hotel? Completely agree with you on that sentiment regarding Lazar.

    • Jakester

      Leddy with us having Ceci doesn’t make too much sense??

    • Jakester

      Murray mentioned deal waiting on other team picking a prospect so maybe Murray said anyone BUT Lazar – take your pick!

    • FBP

      We’d have 9 D on one way deals.

      • FistsofNeil25

        8 on one-ways and Ceci on a two way. Obviously other moves would have to be made to clear some room.

  • Sandy

    Looking back at the Spezza deal, isn’t it pretty similar to what the Canucks got for Kesler?
    Bonino & Chiasson are basically the same type of player with Bonino more NHL experienced.
    Sbisa, Ottawa wasn’t taking another D. Not sure how good this guy is anyway.
    Ottawa receives 2 young guys huge and we will have to wait and see how they pan out.
    The 1st rounder in 2014 that Vanc got is basically the same as a 2nd rounder in the really good 2015 draft.
    I found it interesting that yesterday Pierre MacGuire was trashing the Spezza trade. Then after the Murray presser started to change his tune a little bit. Then this morning he said Chiasson will be a good player and the prospects received are B+ to A- players. LOL
    Time to get past Spezza and focus on the future. Basically we lost the offense of Spezza. Hemsky was just here for basically a cup of coffee. His highest goal total in 1 season is 23. We will see if he beats that. Both Hemsky & Spezza are offensive players. Murray and McLean want 200 ft players and that’s what they are building for.
    Let’s all hope it’s the return of the “Pesky Sens”

    • Cicero

      :”Time to get past Spezza and focus on the future….Let’s all hope it’s the return of the “Pesky Sens”"

      Yes!!!!

  • MethotToMyMadness

    Also, some posters on here talked about moving Methot, as he may be the only D we could trade that has worth, if we are looking to do that. Not sure why, unless it’s a Greening/Methot for a top line player type of deal. But either way, just throwing things out there.

    I love Methot’s game, hell I use his name in my handle, if that’s any indication. If that happened, it would suck and it would leave a hole for sure. But Murray could fill that void with a signing of FA Jamie McBain. He’s only 26, was hung out to dry in Buffalo and would do much better paired with a guy like EK, or on the 2nd unit. McBain has a lot more to offer and would be a great signing.

  • NewSensFan

    Something tells me we are looking at getting Giroux… being arrested in Ottawa last night was a little suspicious. Maybe it was a way of him trying not to get a trade here haha!

    • Sandy

      Getting Giroux is very similar to having Spezza. Would make a big difference for the team and the fans.
      But that’s not happening unless Ryan goes the other way.

      • NewSensFan

        If Ryan is moved today. I will be mad but I won’t be mad at the same time…

    • Pat D

      He’s from Ottawa….. nothing suspicious at all

    • Doc

      He’s from the region, played for Gatineau, and lives in Ottawa in the off-season.

  • Justin

    Hey Chirp, Any truth to this potential rumour with Chicago??

    Rumor: Chicago-Ottawa Blockbuster Discussed
    “Basic parameters of deal would be: Patrick Sharp and Nick Leddy to Ottawa for Colin Greening, Zack Smith and 2013 1st round selection, Curtis Lazar. I have heard of Hawk interest in Greening and Smith now from two separate sources in the U.S. and Canada.”
    -John Jaeckel

    • zippy

      You new here? Looks four comments down. From SC himself

      • Justin

        Didn’t see that.. My apologies… No need to be rude!

        • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

          Welcome to the Internet the world of rude Hahaha

          If you are new here a real welcome too

        • zippy

          No need to apologize….I was just making fun. Welcome aboard.

  • kubastink

    Doom and gloom ! why so much negativity?

    If Spezza had played out his contract and walked at the end of the year the Sens would have nothing to show for it. And to watch Spezza play through another season like last year would have been painful. I’m happy we got the return we did for a player that will in all likelihood go UFA in one year.

    Spezza is a fantastic offensive talent that would take me out of my seat, but too seldom. This team was going nowhere with him as 1C. Two years ago the Sens made the second round without Spezza, Karlsson, and Alfredsson (for most of the season).
    Zib needs ice time. Turris can play in the 1C role and is still developing. A healthy Ryan will only help.
    As for Ryan’s contract, relax. Agents were busy with UFAs yesterday…. I didnt see Kane and Toews sign either.
    This team will bounce back and the front office has the flexibility to adjust as needed. I am very glad to see no stupid contracts handed out to UFAs yesterday (ref Pouliot, Niskanen, Iginla). Big names look great on paper only.

    The cupboard is full. We aren’t saddled with bad contracts. We moved an aging star for more assets at the right time. Things are looking up!

    GSG

    • RUSH RLZ

      Spezza trade was only one source of ‘frustration’ yesterday. Yeah we need to wait and see how that trade pans out before declaring it a ‘turd’ but either way it sets us back into rebuild mode, which was not something many fans expected, certainly not myself.

      The other more frustrating issue is that we let a couple of $$$ stars walk, ‘only’ resigned 9MM and didn’t dabble in the free agent market like Murray apparently wanted to. Not saying we should have matched some of those stupid deals that were made yesterday, but as of this morning, this whole thing continues to smack of not wanting to spend any money at all. Thank God for the floor or I’m pretty sure we’d be spending even less!

      • spezzerman

        you must have known we’d be worse on paper losing spezza though? I was hoping for a more established top 6 but we got an excellent prospect with one full season under his belt and who fits a need, big driving winger with a scoring touch and we got extra prospects with great size who could turn out a few years from now. Not ideal, but not a complete bust, IMO

        • RUSH RLZ

          Yeah not a complete bust, I really did expect if we did something like that then 1) we would push for a 1st not a 2nd, even if it meant one less asset coming back and 2) that with the set-back of both Hemsky and Spezza gone that we would at least try to counter that loss with some decent caliber UFA like a Moulson. So yeah, that would have made yesterday considerably more encouraging for me, but we’ll see what we can get done the remainder of the week.

          • spezzerman

            I imagine we did push for a 1st but I suspect that a 1st round pick hasnt had this much value since the Crosby lottery. I dont see anyone willing to give those up (until perhaps the deadline this year). Moulson would be nice but 5 years at 5 per is pretty steep for a guy who has only put up numbers with Tavares…

        • Sandy

          His projects to be a power forward. Something this team needed desperately and Murray wanted.
          I think he’s better than Stewart.

          • spezzerman

            agreed, Sandy.

        • kubastink

          on paper? maybe. but i still think this team was going nowhere with #19 as the 1C. I too would have liked more but I am still optimistic about the future.
          I think the next move should be Anderson but theres’s no market for him…. unless they can resign him at similar $$ to his current contract.

          • spezzerman

            I’m excited about the team, no doubt. I just hope that guys start signing here to show they like the direction. (Bobby Ryan)

            I think Anderson gets traded at the deadline where the market for goalies is usually hotter than the off season

      • Sandy

        So Pouliot is worth 5 yrs @ 5M per. There were a couple of decent signing yesterday but more stupid ones. Bolland, Niskanen, Pouliot come to mind.
        I’m glad Murray didn’t spend stupid yesterday. I’m okay with the Michalek signing. A top 6 forward that knows the players and the system and obviously wants to be here if he turned down more $$ and longer term.
        How many of those ridiculous contracts last season, get bought out in about 2-3 years.

        Some of these Owners/GMs never learn.
        LA, Dallas, Ana, Col, Chi, SJS — the Stanley Cup will be awarded to one of those teams next season. None of them made stupid contracts yesterday.
        I didn’t include St Louis as I don’t think Brian Elliott is a Stanley Cup winning goaltender. Those other teams mentioned have much better goaltending.

        • RUSH RLZ

          I agree whole heartedly Sandy, which is why I said “Not saying we should have matched some of those stupid deals that were made yesterday”

    • Pasky

      No one cares about Spezza anymore, the doom and gloom involves Lazar going to Chicago now lol

  • Lucretia

    Why are some fans so willing to trade PW46? I’d be offering Boro before PW46.

    • Spoons

      Boro has absolutely no market value

      • Pasky

        Not too mention Melnyk wont pay PW46 2M to sit in the pressbox

        • spezzerman

          he did last year…

    • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

      I don’t understand why our fans are so quick to toss him aside

    • Doc

      I don’t think it has anything to do with skill or potential, but everything to do with his current value.

  • Nick

    Ottawa is 27th in cap spending with 22 players signed. There is a very good chance they
    will be in 29th or 30th soon when the three lower teams
    sing more players.

    My thoughts -> Melnyk wants to tank to get McDavid or
    Eichel in the 2015 draft. At the deadline you’ll see guys like MacArthur
    and Methot traded for picks/prospects…..maybe even Ryan if they can’t sign him.
    You would get a big return on Ryan at the deadline.

    This is a rebuild with Karlsson, Turris, Zibanejad, Ceci,
    Lazar, Lehner, etc. as the core group for
    the future.

    • Sandy

      Murray said yesterday he is not re-building the team again. He had no choice with Alfie leaving for nothing in return. Spezza wanting to win the Cup on a team committed to spending to win.
      As much as I loved Alfie & Spezza, this team did not win the Cup with them in the lineup.
      Looking at the Atlantic division next season you have Boston & Tampa fighting for the top spot. Is Montreal as good as they showed last season or is it mostly Price?
      Toronto, meh, Florida & Buffalo spent stupid but they aren’t contenders either.
      The interesting thing is, where does Ottawa fit in the division next season. In the middle or lower than Florida and Buffalo and Toronto?

      • Pasky

        Hard to tell until we’re done making moves, but it wouldn’t surprise me if they end up fighting for the 4th-6th seeds in the division again. I mean in all honesty last year the team only finished 5 points back of a playoff spot after what was easily a terrible season.

        • Sandy

          Someone has to replace Spezza’s 23 goals and Hemsky’s 4.

          Chiasson had 13 so they need to replace 14 goals somehow.

          That really doesn’t sound too bad, does it?

          • whammer44

            Ryan’s got to be good for at least half of that right?

          • Sandy

            Probably.

      • peetypuck

        About the only way Murray will be able to replace the talent of an Alfie or Spezza is with high draft picks. Next year is the perfect time with all the alleged top prospects coming up.

        • Sandy

          Agreed. If the Sens pick in the top 10 they will get a good player.

    • Sens613

      I don’t think melnyk is holding onto those purse strings to better the team and plus mcdavid would deserve a full rookie contract which melnyk couldn’t afford.

  • CUP 2014-15

    Well, I must say that after a crazy day yesterday that had teams blowing their cap space with some crazy contracts, I am glad BM never got into it, even if we were a cap team.
    Read and listened to some crazy s#!t yesterday. For one, I am tired of idiots talking about KT needing to take on a new role as #1 well what the hell do they think he was last year, do they not watch Sens games? Every team we played put their best out V the Turris line, they knew that was the most dangerous line all season. The year before that Spezza was hurt all year, what do they think, teams played their best V ZS, I don’t think so. I am looking forward to Zibby getting 18+ min. a night playing with Milo and whomever is coming back in this coming trade. The idea of ZS shedding the anchors that are CN and CG and centering the likes of Sone and Chiasson on L3 is exciting as well.
    Still think Anderson will be dealt before the season and this team goes all in with Robin as a starter, would like to see Marty as a back-up. The D will get a fair shake this year as you can bet your ass the forwards will find their way back into the DZone. Just to finish this rant, after an up and down day and off season, I have to say that BM always makes me feel better about our team. GO SENS GO

    • Hax

      That’s the conundrum – Sens are doing a smart thing by avoiding bad contracts and buyouts etc, but they seem to be doing it because the owner is cheap, not out of intelligent restraint.

      • Garrioch’s reliable source

        a pithy observation – post of the day

    • Harv

      There is more passion than thought in most of the posts, CUP. But, passion is good as well.

  • Pat D

    Lazar isnt being moved… thats a BS rumor. His name was probably mentioned but I doubt that BM is that dumb. I wouldn’t mind Sharp or Leddy at all but I don’t see the point of bringing in a 32 year old winger or another D for 2 centers that we’re in desperate need for at this time. I wouldn’t be surprised if a trade goes down between Ottawa and Carolina thought… We got lots of Dmen and they got lots of Centers (Lindholm,JStaal,EStaal,Skinner,Nash) In no way would I take either of the Staal brothers, but Lindholm or Skinner would fit nicely into Ottawa’s plans.

    • zippy

      agreed. Lazar is all the buzz right now. They are trying to get hits.

    • Doc

      Eklund got exactly what he wanted. That rumour just riled up a fanbase that is already on the brink of snapping, so imagine the traffic it created for him this morning.

      Lazar ain’t going nowhere. I can tell you that.

  • Kielbasa

    This organization is really in a free fall due to poor (in more ways than one) ownership. Although Melnyk initially came in and rescued this suffering club, he is now causing more suffering than is necessary. Due to the tight purse strings, nobody wants to stick around. Due to the tight purse strings, we have an unbelievably talented GM that cannot go out and put together a full team to compete, or pull together a team that was once considered elite.

    After digesting everything that has transpired over the course of yesterday and over the course of the past season, it is really frustrating to be a Sens fan. What is the direction this team is going in? What is the identity of this team? How are fans supposed to get excited about spending money to go fill seats at the CTC? I don’t know about you, but I am embarrassed to go to games where half the arena is empty.

    Right now this team is broken, and I am hoping that Murray can find a way to get things back on track.

    • spezzerman

      I disagree we are broken or in a free fall, but that will change if we cant resign some of our guys this summer.

      • Kielbasa

        I guess we need to see what transpires with Ryan and MacArthur. But right now I do feel like this organization has absolutely no identity. It’s amazing to me that a team like the Coyotes or the Panthers are able to lure players there (maybe not ones I’d care for), while the Sens have star players packing their bags as quickly as possible.

        • spezzerman

          So far, those star players dont really fit into long term plans, and I dont know if it is possible to bring in the types of players (without also subtracting significantly) that would change their minds.

          That said, if we start losing guys like Ryan, Mac, Methot, etc who are part of the future, thats where I am officially a jaded fan.

    • Sandy

      The identity of the team is to be hard team to play against. Bringing Pesky back.

      • Kielbasa

        I hope Pesky will also mean they can find the back of the net.

        • Sandy

          That remains to be seen. We have, for now, Turris, Ryan & MacArthur that can do that. Zibby & Michalek as well. Chiasson will go to the net to make screen the goalie maybe resulting in a couple of more goals by somebody.
          This team should have a better group of forwards that will backcheck/forecheck and be better defensively.

          But scoring by committee.

  • MethotToMyMadness

    Out of all the moves made, I am still trying to understand the moves made in Tampa? So much activity and so many draft picks obtained, it’s almost certain Yzerman has a card up his sleeve. I’m trying to find the details, but they are loaded with picks in 2015. They have a decent team as well, so is it purely a complete cupboard restocking or will all these picks be bundled together in an attempt to snag the 1st overall from whomever gets it?

    • Sandy

      It’s really easy to sign players to play on a team in a beautiful city in the sunny south. A state with no tax and a team with Stamkos.

  • FistsofNeil25

    CAPGEEK.COM ARMCHAIR GM ROSTER
    CapGeek Armchair GM Roster

    FORWARDS
    Patrick Sharp($5.900m) – Mika Zibanejad($0.894m) – Bobby Ryan($5.100m)
    Clarke MacArthur($3.250m) – Kyle Turris($3.500m) – Mark Stone($0.603m)
    Milan Michalek($4.000m) – Curtis Lazar($0.894m) – Alex Chiasson($0.867m)
    Mike Hoffman($0.750m) – Derek Grant($0.660m) – Chris Neil($1.900m)
    Erik Condra($1.250m)

    DEFENSEMEN
    Jared Cowen($3.100m) – Erik Karlsson($6.500m)
    Marc Methot($3.000m) – Cody Ceci($0.894m)
    Nick Leddy($2.700m) – Eric Gryba($1.250m)
    Chris Phillips($2.500m) – Mark Borowiecki($0.575m)

    GOALTENDERS
    Craig Anderson($3.188m)
    Robin Lehner($1.750m)
    BONUS OVERAGE
    $0
    ——
    CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
    (estimations for 2014-15)
    SALARY CAP: $69,000,000; CAP PAYROLL: $55,025,000; BONUSES: $1,988,333
    CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $13,975,000

    That team would be one of the best in the eastern conference. Right within budget as well.

    • Pasky

      I’m assuming Smith/Greening/Weircioch to Chicago?

      Still not quite convinced that Ceci starts on the team unless we move a body or 2 back there. He’s definitely talented enough, but that 2-way contract might screw him at first, like Zib last year. Otherwise I would be happy with this roster.

      • FistsofNeil25

        Line the d up however ya want it’s that forward group that i love.

        • CUP 2014-15

          I would like to see MM Karl, JC CC, PW EG. but that’s not happening with CP in the line-up and Boro will play unless we add a scrapper to the forward ranks.

    • whammer44

      I’m not sure we are better off on D with Leddy vs. PW but Sharp for Smith and Greening works for me and as Chi has to dump salary it could work.

      I feel we need a strong 2-3 D who can play the shut down role and play the PK. The D, with Leddy or not still has that hole.

      • FistsofNeil25

        It still has a hole yes but Leddy is an upgrade over most of what we have now. Chicago had arguable the best blueline depth in the NHL the last few years. Leddy was playing behind Keith, Seabrook, Hjalmarsson and Oduya. He’s easily a top 4 guy.

        • whammer44

          On our D yes. I think he had a lot of insulated minutes. Definitely a puck mover, defensively a question mark. He’s an upgrade on PW right now but I’m not sure long term. That said if we can get him he’s definitely as you said in our top 4 now

      • Pasky

        Agree. If we can deal Sharp for Greening, Smith & 2nd round pick I would be happy, but Chicago would still be in Cap trouble which is why Leddy is being thrown in the mix. Hopefully we can trade a D afterwards to remove the logjam.

  • Dirtysweetness

    I think Chicago asked for Lazar and Murray said “no”. “But, you can pick from any of my other prospects.”

    • Spoons

      That would refer to Murray’s comment yesterday.

      • Dirtysweetness

        Yep.

    • KJ

      that is likely consistent about what he said yesterday about choosing which prospect they want. that would mean team he is trading with is trying to dump salary too. sort of fits. no lazar though.

  • Sandy

    If the Sens are trading I think what is moving out is Greening and a D or two. I hope not named Wiercioch.

    • Kielbasa

      Agreed.

    • Pasky

      If not Weir then it’s gotta be Methot or Cowen. Weir doesn’t play well on the right side, and the team is keeping Phillips as a veteren 6/7 guy till he retires in 2 years. Methot is better than Weir and I’m not quite ready to give up on Cowen yet.

      • CUP 2014-15

        You are so right, JC and PW both were a disaster on the right side last year. If one of them could have moved over then EG could be available but neither can and MM is going to play in the top 4 and the right side top4 is in place for years to come with Karl and CC eating up about 50 Min. a night. That also makes EG an affordable number 6 that was our top PK Dman last year and will only play about 8-10 min. of even time.

        • Pasky

          If JC was able to prove to be able to play next to Karlsson I would have been OK trading Methot for an upgrade, but since that didn’t happen we need him now.

          I do love Weir’s game and I think he can be a good player, but right now he’s the most expendable guy we have, unless the team gave up on Cowen.

  • Sandy

    From D Camp this morning./

    Steve Lloyd @TSNSteveLloyd · 58m

    First impression. Nick Paul can really shoot the puck. Great release. #Sens Dev Camp.

  • Dirtysweetness

    I worry about team toughness going forward. Kassian and possibly Smith on the way out which leaves old man Neil.

    • Pasky

      Cowen and Gryba can both hold their own, and if Lazar plays with the big club he isn’t afraid to drop the mits every now and then.But I agree with losing Smith will hurt the overall toughness, at least the teams PIM will drop as well.

      • Dirtysweetness

        Not to mention how good Smith is on the PK.

        • Sandy

          Chris Neil probably has about 3 yrs left on the team. They need to keep Smith as part of a tough lineup.

        • whammer44

          Personally I didn’t see the same thing. The sens PK was brutal this year. I would rather see someone with more speed and mobility than Smith out there.

        • FistsofNeil25

          Smith was one of our worst PK guys last year.

        • sbs138

          Not to mention he should be Captain.

    • Doc

      True, but we have some character guys. Look at teams like Chicago, they don’t have specific guys that fight or anything of the sort. But they battle.

      That’s what we need.

    • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

      I think overall we are much tougher though…we don’t really have a heavy weight, but guys like

      Smith
      Greening
      Gryba
      Boro
      Lazar(maybe)
      Cowen(although it takes a tonne to piss him off)
      Paul(on the off chance he makes it is a great scraper, and from what i have watched has great hands….a good Neil replacement to be honest)
      Ryan(mostly with the forecheque)
      Michalek(Same as Ryan)
      Chaisson

      All are tough and will make playing against us hard.

      • Sandy

        You forgot Chiasson.

        Most teams are going away from the pure heavyweight fighter.

        • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

          True! I actually am liking the Spezza trade more and more as time goes on(and I liked it a lot right away)…I think we are going more of the Boston/LA model of 4 good lines, scoring essentially by committee

          • spezzerman

            I agree. I love Spezza and will miss him but I also like a scoring by committee approach. And, our offense runs through Karlsson now anyway, not Spezza like it used to.

        • CaMo

          He’s a bad fighter though lol. He does it, but hes no good at it.

    • spezzerman

      fighting playing less and less a role. Almost insignificant at this point. We have good size everywhere IMO. And, I love that all the pieces we added with Spezza have size and and potential

    • Rafi Bomb

      The Sens will likely sign a heavyweight to carry as the 13th/14th forward some point after this next rumored trade.

      Aside from that, depending on the roster players involved in this rumored trade, we could always sign some depth physical player like Steve Ott, Steve Downie, Daniel Carcillo or Brenden Morrow.

  • Zelle

    If Lazar gets moved before he even gets a shot with the club I will be flipping multiple desks.

    • MikeS

      ya, this might make sense if the sens were on the cusp…..but not right now..

    • Doc

      That might be my breaking point. That or Zibby being traded.

      I would seriously reconsider my support for this team.

      • KJ

        Mine as well. I think Pierre Dorion resigns also. They can’t stop talking Lazar up. no way he gets traded. I will eat my couch if he does

  • EK65

    Does anyone know if Hockey’s Future’s is trustworthy? I always use it, but have never really heard whether it is a good indicator of a prospect’s actual skill level or not.

    • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

      It seems to be fairly commonly referenced and I tend to check it out, but also like to observe myself.

      • EK65

        Right. I know the HF boards are notoriously bad, but their rankings seem to be okay.

        • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

          I have pretty much blocked HF at my router level hahaha

  • Hax

    We all know Murray’s MO:

    1. Talk to Yost, get him to “leak” what Murray is planning.
    2. Wait until word gets out.
    3. Come to SensChirp.ca and review comment section.
    4. Use consensus in comment section to decide what to do.

    So, Lazar isn’t going anywhere.

    • whammer44

      TRADE LAZAR!!

      • Garrioch’s reliable source

        … annnnnd 29 NHL and 47 European teams just lined up

    • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

      Speaking of Yost(I am growing to appreciate his opinion as long as someone less boring tells it to me. What does he say about the Spezza deal?

      • BeJamin

        Well you could just go read it… but, he said that it was pretty horrific for Ottawa. We basically got one decent piece. And that piece isn’t that good. It’s a nightmare. lol

        • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

          Can’t stand his writing style, makes me want to gouge my eyes out with a spoon.

        • Sandy

          How can he tell the rest of the deal is a nightmare? He can’t.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Yeah Pierre said this morning that Nick Paul is a really good prospect. He said he’s an A-, B+ level prospect.

          • spezzerman

            that’s kind of surprising given his reg season junior numbers last year but he was great, numbers wise, in the playoffs.

            YOu dont see many A-, B+ prospects drafted beyond second round is what I am mainly getting at.

          • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

            Exactly why I can’t stand him….OMG!111!!!@1111221 two guys that have yet to play an NHL game, they must suck! I haven’t heard their names.

      • EK65

        “As for Ottawa’s side of the return, it’s … not encouraging. You kind
        of knew this was going to happen. The one name that people probably do
        recognize is Alex Chiasson, who had 13G/22A in 79 GP with Dallas last
        year. He’s the ‘NHL ready’ body Bryan Murray was probably looking for,
        and he’s a lock to start with the team next season.

        Otherwise, this deal was mostly a disaster.”

        From his post yesterday. http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog.php?post_id=61062

        • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

          So like most people, he has no idea who the other two pieces were.

          I can’t believe how many people have become ok with the deal after a little research.

        • Brutus5247

          Spezza has the baggage, injuries/laziness. Yost was dreaming if he though we would get more.

  • sbs138

    I can’t read you guys anymore.

    • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

      Bye

      • spezzerman

        WAIT! Maybe he meant he can’t tell what our opinions are going to be from one day to the next??

        • CohMa

          Maybe he needs glasses… or has learning difficulties and can’t actually read…

          • spezzerman

            no, no, no. then he would have said; I can’t read anymore, you guys.

          • Doc

            I think it was:

            I can’t read you guys, anymore.

  • Mark

    I actually don’t think the team is in as rough shape as people think. Our team defense can’t be worse than it was last year, can it?

    • spezzerman

      Nope. And our goaltending SV% should be better as well.

      • Mark

        I’m looking forward to this team taking on the persona of Erik Karlsson – if they can start having more fun out there, they will be at the very least competitive and fun to watch.

    • whammer44

      As much as I’d like to believe that…
      -Phillips is not getting better
      -Cowen even a small improvement is not enough
      -Ceci has half an NHl season behind him and history shows that the 2nd year learning curve often takes a step backwards

      So assuming Methot and EK are fine, no one else has yet proven himself to be a sure thing. I would feel alot better if we made 1 serious upgrade back there to move everyone but EK down the depth charts, otherwise I feel like its a flip of the coin as to whether the D will be improved.

  • Sandy

    More from the famous Eklund – if you can believe it at all. I really don’t.

    Vrbata Closing In…. (E3)

    “Hearing Boston, NJ, and Montreal…also Ottawa may be making late push”
    - Eklund

    Can’t see Ottawa doing that unless the trade fell through. Boston needs room to sign the own players.
    Montreal? Maybe.

    • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

      Depending on cost/term I wouldn’t mind him

    • FistsofNeil25

      Another right winger though.

      • Doc

        Yeah, we need a LW more than a RW.

        Actually a center might be our biggest need.

      • CUP 2014-15

        BR played the port side before he got here so that might be plan B if they have a much better deal for a right winger.

  • Phil.

    Do we know if the Sens are actively negotiating with Ryan’s agent at this point? Chirp’s post implies that Ryan not signing yesterday is bad news, and presumably that Ryan is waiting to see what happens.
    Was there an expectation of an announcement yesterday? Could it be that there was no signing because they haven’t seriously negotiated/finalized the contract yet? I can see the PR value of signing Ryan ASAP, but not a real “hockey reason” to rush it.

    • Sandy

      The agents were more focused on their UFA guys yesterday than players with term left on their deals looking for a new contract.
      I assume they have had discussions.
      Ryan likes Ottawa, has friends outside of the team in Ottawa. It’s all about Ottawa showing the money and selling what this team is doing. Ryan said at the end of the season he wants to get a contract done quickly and stay here. I’m sure he knew Spezza was leaving.

    • Cassidaus

      I believe Ryan and The Lehner share the same agent. I would imagine that talks between the two parties have gotten a lot more involved.

    • KJ

      It’s my understanding that they can’t actively negotiate with guys under contract to extend until 1 year left under their contract, which was yesterday. So, I expect we well see extensions coming over the next week or so and maybe even in August. No rush.

      • Sandy

        They could talk but couldn’t sign, I believe.

  • RUSH RLZ

    That dunce’s strategy is pretty simple. For every UFA, try and guess
    where they might land and put four “leading teams” names out there. Do
    this for every free agent, law of of averages soon you will have
    “broken” one of the signings.

    • RUSH RLZ

      Sorry this was meant to be a reply to the Eklund Vrbata rumour. :cP

  • EK65

    I like the deal. Like Mark mentioned, I think this team is actually in decent shape for next season. Not going to be pushing for the division leads by any means, but if we get good D and goaltending, we could finish middle of the pack, maybe even squeak into a playoff spot.

    What makes me nervous right now about this team is:
    1. Bobby Ryan. We really need to focus on signing this guy. Give him 6 mil over 4-5 years. He is absolutely worth it.
    2. Lehner. Like Chirp has said, a bridge deal is best until Anderson is traded/let go in free agency. Or, give him more term and back load the deal a bit. 2 mil next season or two, 4 mil in the years after. No more than 4 years though at this point.

    Other than that, I’m still excited about the Sens future. We have a strong young core. Turris, Karlsson, Zib, Lazar, Ceci, Lehner, etc.

    • Sandy

      Lehner has 3 or 4 different contract options to choose from.
      This team needs to save face and get Ryan signed. He said he wanted to stay even after a bad season last year. I’m sure he had an idea that Spezza wanted out.

      • KJ

        Spezza has wanted out before. The Sens finally acquiesced.

    • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

      If I were Lehner I would be signing the shortest contract possible.

    • zippy

      The issue I see with keeping Anderson for another year is the team seems to play better in front of Lehner. And Lehner made a huge adjustment in the middle of last year, realizing he was overcommitting too much and started to stand his ground more. Shows maturity.

      So both want #1. I would prefer giving Lehner #1 (If he’s ready), and sending Anderson on.

      If he’s not ready…then keep Anderson for 1 more year, then bring in a Swedish backup

      • FistsofNeil25

        Sens were 12-15-6 with Lehner in net and 25-16-8 with Anderson in net this year. Still think they play better in front of Lehner?

        • zippy

          They just appeared more confident.

          Maybe he’s not ready for #1 yet.

          Plus our D sucked bad last year.

  • MethotToMyMadness

    Refreshing SenChirp and watching Twitter updates for something Sens related. Going back to TSN and continue seeing Miller Time as the main story. Vancouver really is getting a lot of praise for that signing.

  • jimmyjohnson

    You have the Nick Paul pick backwards. He was taken ahead of Tobias Lindberg

    • SensChirp

      Thanks Jim

  • Doc

    Any news yet?

    How about now?

    • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

      Now?

      • my2sens

        You just missed it!

  • Tcharger – #TheFansFault
  • jimmyjohnson
    • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

      That could address a lot of issues!

    • Sandy

      I want Ryan signed BAD.

  • Brutus5247

    LAzar is going nowhere. Same thing people said about Cowen a few years ago!

  • esk

    trade for giroux? lol can he be unhappy in philly? he lives here

    • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

      He obviously has fun here

  • jimmyjohnson

    Ryan at center solves this teams problems, and his game looks like he’d be better there.

    Hoffman – Ryan – Chiasson
    MacArthur- Turris – Stone
    Pageau – Zibanejad – Condra
    Greening – Smith – Neil

    It kind of puts the screws to Zibanejad offensively, but it’s hard to argue that he’s ready for top-6 duty.

    • HamadBo$$

      Where is Michalek

      • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

        DAMN thats right!

        Michalek – Ryan – Chiasson
        Macarthur – Turris – Stone
        Hoffman – Zibby – Guptill
        Greening/Pageau – Smith – Neil/Condra

        • whammer44

          While its a fun game to play, I’m putting the chances of Ryan playing in the C-spot as zero.

      • jimmyjohnson

        Wishful thinking. Put him where Condra sits

    • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

      Or

      top 2 interchangeable

      Pageau – Zibby – Guptill(I actually think in an isolated spot he could be ready)

      Same bottom line, send Condra to the meadows or something.

      • Rafi Bomb

        Guptill isn’t ready. Pageau isn’t well suited to play wing and doesn’t have a great chance of making the Sens because we have a number of prospects ahead of him on the depth chart.

    • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

      Although, if Ryan is “learning” the position now, I would likely want to swap him to the second line, just to avoid other teams top centers hopefully

    • Doc

      That first line looks horrible.

  • KJ

    Chaisson interview on the team now. sounds like a good kid

  • Pasky

    Adding Sharp and taking out Greening/Smith would make our forard group look like a playoff team. And it does make sense as BM did mention that Lazar might have to play down the middle instead of the right side.

    Sharp-Zibanejad-Ryan
    MacArthur-Turris-Stone
    Michalek-Lazar-Chiasson
    Hoffman-Pageau/Grant-Neil/Condra

    These lines also explain how Murray said he want’s Zib to become a #1C for this team, and keep Turris as a #2. Still some questions but as long as Zib, Stone and Lazar can play to their potential that’s as good of a Top 9 as you can find.

    • Sandy

      Zibby doesn’t play #1 this season. That will be Turris.
      Ryan – Turris – MacArthur
      Michalek – Zibby – Chiasson (or trade result)
      Stone – Smith – Chiasson (or trade result)
      Hoffman – Lazar – Neil/Condra/whoever

      • Pasky

        Stone doesn’t play LW & I’m assuming Smith gets traded for Sharp up there.

        • Sandy

          I was just putting lines together not paying too much attention to RW/LW.

          • PraiseAlfie11

            Snoopy Senior (RIP) would be quite upset with you for that!

          • Sandy

            Yeah he probably would.

    • Rafi Bomb

      We would be adding some toughness through free agency if we move both Smith and Greening

    • Keregan

      i really like those lines :-)

  • Sandy

    Question — is this team really going to be as bad as everyone said yesterday it was going to be ?

    • BuildingWithYouth

      Hi everyone long time lurker first time poster!
      No I don’t think we will be that bad, and if we are our reward will be a high pick in a great draft and experience for our young guys….to me that’s a no lose situation

      • jasonontheoldsenschirp

        We said this 3 years ago.

        It’s time to start winning.

        • BuildingWithYouth

          Dude it takes time to build with youth….a lot more then 3 years

      • Sandy

        Absolutely.
        I just want to see them compete. None of the garbage that we saw a lot last season.

        • BuildingWithYouth

          Did we not compete when all our top guys were injured 2 seasons ago? I think we will be much closer to that team then last years team

          • Sandy

            But that team 2 seasons ago, had Alfie. He was a good leader and did his talking on the ice with his hard work.

          • BuildingWithYouth

            good point….But I think McCarthur and Turris can lead by example and having hungry kids looking to prove they belong isn’t a bad thing

          • CUP 2014-15

            True but that team did not have King Karl or Milo

      • CUP 2014-15

        Welcome

        • BuildingWithYouth

          Thank you :)

    • Rafi Bomb

      Current roster yes. If we make a few other moves, then probably not.

      This team wasn’t all that bad last year. Their biggest issue was consistency, compete level, leadership and intensity. Losing Spezza helps them in that respect as does the fact that Stone, Chiasson, Borowiecki and Lazar will all be on the team. They still need to add a bit more to the roster though, a bit more grit, toughness and leadership would be nice as well as a more prominent player (hopefully in this rumored trade).

    • FistsofNeil25

      Too soon to tell. Murray isn’t done with the roster yet.

    • spezzerman

      I dont think so. Bubble playoff team, fighting for a final spot. same as the last 3 years. Not a bottom feeder

  • Sandy

    Interesting that players actually turned down Detroit.

    @AnsarKhanMLive 8m
    Wings felt they made competitive offer for Niskanen and one team source said they would have given 7 years at $42 million.

    @AnsarKhanMLive 11m
    Wings offered Dan Boyle three years at $12.5 million ($5M, $5M and $2.5M) but he took two years, $9 million from Rangers.

    http://www.freep.com/article/2014070…TS05/307010145

    “They got rejected by Stephane Robidas, who went to Toronto for three years and $9 million, an offer the Wings would have matched. They got rejected by Anton Stralman to the point that Stralman’s agent, Marc Levine, when contacted by the Free Press to ask if Stralman was interested in Detroit, the answer was a succinct, “no.” “

    • esk

      Not an elite destination anymore :( There should be a multiple articles on tsn documenting this..you know if it was the sens there would be at least a dozen

    • Rafi Bomb

      Their organization is moving in the wrong direction. All their key players are starting to get too old and all they focus on bringing in is more veteran players. It is pretty hard to win with a team full of 35 year olds.

      Also they have no toughness on their roster and the rest of the league (especially the West) is getting bigger and tougher. Therefore their declining players have an increased risk of getting injured.

      • Sandy

        After Datsyuk and Zetterberg, what do they really have? Some good young players but that’s it.

        • RUSH RLZ

          Players with fun names to say!

          Abdelkader! And we call Tatar TATAR-HAHA! like out of a crazy martial arts movie.

        • Rafi Bomb

          Kronwall.

          Aside from that Helm, Abdelkader, Nyquist and Sheahan are good but the rest of their roster is pretty mediocre.

          Their team is just way too old. Last year they had: Datsyuk (35), Zetterberg (34), Alfredsson (41), Kronwall (33), Franzen (34), Bertuzzi (39), Miller (30), Ericsson (30), Legwand (33), Cleary (35), Eaves (30), Weiss (31), Samuelsson (37)

          • Shibal

            They have some really good upcoming players like: Thomas Jurco, Xavier Ouellet, Teemu Pulkkinen – AHL Rookie leader in goals scored last season – and Anthony Mantha

          • Sandy

            That Weiss signing turned out to be pretty bad. I can’t see him staying there for that contract length 4 yrs left and a NTC.

        • laffin681021

          Mantha

  • Stephane Cantin

    Murray needs to go after Hodgson and get rid of some of our D’s in the process

    • Dirk-Diggler

      I’d do a blockbuster invloving Hodgson and Myers if possible…

      To Ott:
      - Hodgson
      - Myers

      To Buff:
      - Weircioch
      - Stone
      - Boro
      - both 2015 2nds

      • Rafi Bomb

        No interest in trading Stone. Also I don’t like the idea of trading Boro as he has excellent leadership ability and is very physical and competitive which is something that our roster and prospect pool lacks.

        • FistsofNeil25

          Yeah he’s going to be a solid #8 defenseman on the roster next year lol

          • whammer44

            You under estimate him, he is an excellent candidate for the #7 spot

    • RUSH RLZ

      Why would Buffalo want to get rid of him though and do we really want to deal with their GM? Timmy has been pissing me off since he left…

      • Doc

        Timmy has been doing an amazing job as of now. He’s definitely doing a rebuild right.

        • FistsofNeil25

          They now have some of the best prospect wealth in the NHL. Maybe the best actually. I actually think Buffalo could be a pretty competitive team this year. They could push for a wild card position.

          • Sandy

            Maybe they have some of the best prospect wealth because they have sucked for a couple of years and got some high picks.
            They were 20M below the cap floor, they had to spend yesterday had no choice.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Well it’s one thing to such for a couple years and draft poorly and another to suck for a couple of years and draft really well. Buffalo is the latter case compared to some other teams.

            Ristolainen, Zadorov, McCabe, Grigorenko, Girgensons, Armia, and now Reinhart and Lemieux. They’ve done very well.

          • Sandy

            You wouldn’t be referring to Edmonton would you?

  • esk

    FYI: on team 1200..vermette training with chiasson somewhere in quebec. Is the trade for him?

    • Doc

      So, people expect Vermette to come back? I don’t get it.

      Giroux trains in Ottawa every summer.

      • whammer44

        Is that what he calls it!?

        • Doc

          Currently working on his quick release.

          • whammer44

            His elbow will be in prime shape

          • CUP 2014-15

            Thought he was just back checking

        • Doc

          Pretty sure he’s bummed out right now.

          • Sandy

            Oh that’s bad….

        • Sens-fan-in-mtl

          comedy central in here today? keep it up!

      • aegiszx

        Giroux lives ins Hearst right?

        • Sandy

          He is from Hearst but lives in Ottawa I the offseason.

        • Doc

          Comes from Hearst. Has a condo in Ottawa and lives here during the summer.

    • MethotToMyMadness

      Vermette goes back home every off-season, and I expect Chiasson does too.

  • thepez

    My son came back from the rookie camp and was quite impressed with a few of the “veteran” guys, Puempel, Ceci, Claesson and a few of the newer guys, Lazar, Guptil, Englund and Harper.
    He also listened in to Brent Wallace from TSN talking to somebody and he heard him say that the Sens are interested in Ollie Jokinen.

    • RUSH RLZ

      Projectile vomits.

      No to Jokinen!

    • ProfessorPower

      Nick Paul looks like a really good pickup. Was a standout for me today. I would be surprised to see us go after Jokinen, still waiting to see what happens with this trade that’s suppose to happen

      • thepez

        Forgot to add Paul as well. At his age I would only offer Jokinen one year at most.

    • Pat D

      Jokinen doesnt fit Ottawa’s plans, He’s on the decline on his career at 35 years old and only put up 43 points last season. I will say this though, he is an everyday center and he played all 82 games last year.

      Here’s a question for everybody though… would you sign Peter Mueller? He played in the Swiss league last year and had 24 goals in 43 games… not bad

      • whammer44

        I was thinking about him as an option the other day. He would be worth bringing in for a look.

    • whammer44

      I think he said he was only joking :)

  • CUP 2014-15

    Cmac KT Ryan
    Milo Zib Stone
    Puemple ZS Chaisson
    Hoffman Lazar Neil

    MM EK
    JC CC
    PW EG

    Robin
    This will not be the opening day line-up but it is what we have as of now. Offer CP an Assistant Dcoach job and suck up his contract, deal or buy out CG and EC. When this team makes it final moves we will be able to improve on what is already a good young line-up. Would love to pull Perron out of EDMT for Anderson + whatever

  • PraiseAlfie11

    So who would do a ryan for giroux trade?

    • FistsofNeil25

      Not anyone in Philadelphia lol

    • Mark

      Not Philadelphia…

    • TookieIs100PercentRight

      Probably the Ottawa constabulary, that’s for sure…
      ZING!
      TOOKS100% OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Doc

      Every Ottawa fan.

    • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

      I am a huge Ryan fan, been for years and I would do this in a second.

  • sprucesens

    good god no. “sharp and leddy for Colin Greening, Zack Smith and 2013 1st round selection, Curtis Lazar.”
    that is 10 steps back for us. no thank you

  • sbs138

    Cody Ceci? well done TSN.

    • EK65

      Hahahahaha

    • RUSH RLZ

      Huh?

      • FistsofNeil25

        TSN put up a video of Lazar but they said it was Ceci.

        • RUSH RLZ

          Ahhh I see. Thanks guys I was wondering what the comment was about. I was on TSN but only the home page so I didn’t see that. ;)

        • CUP 2014-15

          LOL, Toronto Sport Network at it again

          • FBP

            It might not be TSN’s mistake. Maybe Curtis and Cody have legally swapped names so the Sens can trade Lazar to Chicago but really send them the player formerly known as Ceci.

        • sbs138

          they ask him about how winning the Memorial Cup and attending last year development/training camps will help him this year. future Captain.

      • Doc

        It’s a story about Lazar, with a picture of him, but it keeps mentioning Cody Ceci.

        • RUSH RLZ

          Oh man, how can they botch that so badly? I mean obviously they interviewed him and everything… did they really think he was Ceci all along?

          Lazar: “Why did that weird dude keep calling me Cody?”

    • EK65

      It’s fixed now.

    • Sandy

      Wow, some of their people have no clue or it’s outside the centre of the universe, so who cares if it’s wrong.

  • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

    Sens Underground ‏@sensunderground 2m
    So, Spezza’s new “chance to win a cup” means he has to get thru Chi, Ana, LA, St.Louis, SJ. Bets, anyone?

    I don’t remember Spezza saying he was leaving to pursue a cup.

    • esk

      lol he said that like ten times yesterday in his interview with tsn

      • FistsofNeil25

        and about 100 times more in his interview with a Dallas radio station this morning.

        • esk

          link? lol

          • RUSH RLZ
          • spezzerman

            http://downloads.stars.nhl.com/podcasts/7214spezzaticket.mp3

            He sounds excited. Also said Hemsky and he talked about hemsky following him wherever he ended up…

          • sbs138

            are Turris/Ryan better than Seguin/Benn?

          • spezzerman

            ummm….no.
            But they are pretty damn good

          • sbs138

            but they don’t have Karlsson!!!

          • spezzerman

            nope. As of today, we are in good shape, that isnt what I was getting at. Seguin Benn will be one of the best one two punch in the league for years and years and years.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Not even close lol Seguin/Benn is one of the most dynamic young duo’s in the league. They had 84 and 79 points respectively and combined for 71 goals between them. They’re both entering superstar territory.

          • Doc

            No.

          • RUSH RLZ

            Several decent giggles in there too. I was hoping Spezz would get his Giggle back, he deserves it.

    • sbs138

      probably referring more towards Eugene’s lack of spending to create a team in Ottawa that has a chance to win. Spez knew that wasn’t going to happen while he was still relevant on this team.

      • Sandy

        Well both he and Alfie knew 3 yrs ago this team was rebuilding and the team was going on a budget. Did they really believe in 3 short seasons a rebuild meant they would be a Cup contender.
        Hindsight both should have left 3 yrs ago for a really good return each with term left on their contracts and the Sens would have been further ahead.

        • sbs138

          we know Spez did. BM alluded to Spez asking to be traded 3 or 4 times.

          • Sandy

            Well then why didn’t he do it? Would have been a much better deal before his last back surgery and with 3+ years left on his contract.
            I get why he didn’t, but in hindsight it’s a big mistake.

          • spezzerman

            like the fans, two years of playoffs gave us a false sense of readiness. We came back down to earth last season. We are on the same path as we were when we started, which is a good thing, IMO. As long as ownership can convince the current core it is worth while sticking around…

          • aegiszx

            It would have looked really bad for BM… He’s a proud, stubborn guy, and I think it was a tough call to not trade Spezza back when he had a chance… Can you imagine trading Heatley, Spezza, and Alfie, all before Karl or Turris even had a chance to establish themselves?

            I think the timing was right for yesterdays trade. The kids dont need em anymore, and the new kids are ready to come up (Lazar, Stone, etc.)

    • Sandy

      Take out St Louis. They aren’t winning a Cup with Elliott in net

      • spezzerman

        Elliott is a back up

        • Sandy

          Allan has played 15 NHL games total. He is not the #1 yet.

          • spezzerman

            Yes, yes he is.

          • Pasky

            I thought they said they wanted to give him a chance which is why they let Miller walk

          • Sandy

            Didn’t hear that comment. But we will have to see how it plays out.

    • JayRuN

      Dallas has a good team i can see them making it to the second round at least.

    • FistsofNeil25

      I think LA and Chicago are clearly the best two teams in the west and then it could be a toss up between Dallas, Anaheim, and St Louis.

      • spezzerman

        and Minny?

        • FistsofNeil25

          True I always forget about them. I’m not used to them being a strong team. and Colorado

          • spezzerman

            good conference

          • FistsofNeil25

            and the east is wiiiiiiiiiide open

          • Pasky

            Boston, Pittsburgh, TB are the only locks I can think of.

          • spezzerman

            hate to say it but the Habs have had a great off season so far. They should be up there in lock territory…

          • spezzerman

            yep, I like our chances. ;)

        • Pasky

          So we have LA, Chicago, St-Louis, Dallas, Anaheim, SJ, Colorado and Minnesota as the 8 playoff teams unless one of them implodes, or another team plays over their heads. I keep thinking Edmonton takes a step forward as they know have good goalies and a half decent back end, but people have been saying that for years and it hasn’t happened.

          Out of those teams, I think Colorado might take a step back and maybe Minnesota, but they are definitely the favorites.

          • spezzerman

            and to think Vancouver thinks they are in that same group…

          • esk

            detroit is gonna be shit..will not resign babcock and he’ll prolly sign with the leafs

          • Sandy

            Pitts wanted Babcock this season. If he is free then it’s a dogfight between Tor & Pitts.
            If you were Babcock, what team would you want to coach? Imagine trying to get Kessel to backcheck?

          • Pasky

            Pittsburgh needs a coach that deserves respect just from walking in a locker room, which is why Babcock would be perfect. With a locker room with 3 superstars (Crosby, Malkin, Letang) plus other star veterans, I think a rookie coach wouldn’t be as looked up to by the players compared to a veteran with a winning experience.

    • Sensnation

      He says it in every interview so far. The West will beat each other up, but he only has to go through 3 of those teams and I’d say Dallas looks better than SJ right now.

  • Pasky

    So Chirp, any news on the contest winner?

    • SensChirp

      Ah thanks for the reminder! Need some help from the readers on this.

      • BuildingWithYouth

        Anybody really predict the actually outcome?? I would be shocked!

        • Pasky

          I had Chiasson and pieces for Spezza & Prince on Draft day though… not sure how close that was compared to others.

          • FistsofNeil25

            You were definitely the closest. Winner winner!!

          • Pasky

            Sweeeetttt

  • SensChirp

    Four entries had the team right in the Spezza deal. Tricky to pick a winner though because the packages were all off by a bit. Which one should win?

    • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

      Get a third party to use a randomizer site and just label the teams team 1, 2, 3 and 4

    • Phil.

      I would say go with most number of correct pieces (independent of incorrect pieces)

    • http://@CARLOSwSPECR1 CARLOSwSPECR1

      None. Hold a new contest: Guess the next UFA signing, and term/$$$ and Average cap.

    • EHMatt

      The last one (Chiasson, Faksa, 3rd, cond 1st for Spezza, Prince) because he had the right number pieces going each way. Plus Chiasson and Spezza are in the deal. Also he has the date closest to the actual trade day as well.

      • SensChirp

        That’s what I was thinking. And a forward prospect in there from Dallas.

      • Hax

        Agreed. Closest match IMO as well.

      • CohMa

        Agreed the last one or since no one got it exactly, having another contest instead trying to guess the next trade Murray is working on.

        • FistsofNeil25

          But the chances are no one will guess that trade entirely correct either lol

          • CohMa

            Chirp would have to set some criteria for winning. Exact match obviously wins. If no match, correct team and most correct players listed. If still no match, correct team and number of pieces. Something like that. It would help narrowing things down.

          • FistsofNeil25

            He can use the same criteria to narrow down the Spezza contest. Pasky wins hands down.

          • MethotToMyMadness

            And if none of them are anywhere close, the first of the 4 entries to be submitted wins.

    • Sen John’s

      The last one

    • zippy

      last one works

    • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

      I don’t think any of them are close to be honest. I think Chirp keeps the prize!

    • MethotToMyMadness

      Last one, or hold a new contest for the final 4.

    • Dirtysweetness

      Dirty for the win lol
      #1

    • Don Ciccio

      I think the last one is the closest even though it’s not close at all….lol

    • FBP

      I’d pick the last one too. Has the centerpiece player Chiasson and is closest to the actual date.

    • Sensnation

      Date 1st, Chiasson 2nd? … The 4th one sounds closest.

    • sprucesens

      I would say the 1st one or the last one. First has chiasson, an early pick and a forward prospect, for spezza and an AHL player. The last is similar except its a better extra forward prospect with a worse pick and better pick, and better forward prospect sent back. So for that I would say the 1st one, however the tie breaker goes to the last one.

    • sprucesens

      better idea, just do a vote that has 1 full day for us to vote who was the closest?

  • FistsofNeil25

    So what was the point of BM telling us that he had another trade in the works that was close?

    • CohMa

      To reassure the fanbase that more was being done to improve the team.

    • Pasky

      He knew we were expecting more since they said we would be super busy on July 1st? Add a little more excitement since people were sour about the Spezza trade also?

      • FistsofNeil25

        But if the trade falls through he’s only going to face more backlash no?

        • Pasky

          Yes but it’s not like the team (Melnyk) has never made empty promises before lol

          I’m sure he would be pretty confident that the deal gets done if he’s gone public with it. Just like denying Spezza at the trade deadline until the GM meeting where it was happening regardless anyways.

    • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

      I was actually just thinking this…Why the hell say anything if it isn’t actually close. If it truthfully was down to a team picking a prospect it would be done.

      • zippy

        Patience Grasshopper.

        I would think the scouts and GMs are exhausted from Free Agency

    • Sandy

      I think he should have just said that we are still going to add to the team and that’s it.
      I think with all of the negativity from yesterday, he just wanted to relay something positive.
      You really have to feel for him. He had a good team a couple of seasons ago, but the f’n owner is really hurting the team.
      1.5M more to Alfie to start last season and both would probably still be in Ottawa and we may have been in the playoffs last season.

    • Sensnation

      Relax guys, he told us it wasn’t happening yesterday and stressed several times that he has the whole summer to figure the rest out.

      • FistsofNeil25

        Yes, but by saying what he did he gave people expectations. I wish he wouldn’t say so much sometimes.

        • Sandy

          He had to for the sake of the franchise being ripped apart by TSN and probably Sportsnet.
          The guy does have some pride.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Um I don’t think Murray gives a shit what TSN or Sportsnet say but that’s just me. They’d freaking out enough over the lack of moves the Leafs made lol

            I’m in Toronto and I can say that people aren’t too happy hear right now about their own team.

  • Sandy

    Ottawa Senators @Senators · 38s

    News Release: #Sens sign Carter Camper, Cole Schneider, Michael Sdao and Chris Wideman: http://ottsens.com/1qmhXpX

    • MethotToMyMadness

      Goods news on locking up some of the Bingo guys. Camper seems like a legit AHL point producer with 148 points in 189 AHL games. Smaller guy, hard to see him cracking an NHL lineup, but this looks very much like a quality replacement for Da Costa’s production being lost.

  • Sandy

    I listened to the Spezza interview. He does sound happy and I’m happy for him.
    But one of those announcers got on my freakin’ nerves.

    • spezzerman

      haha, I thought it was Rush Limbaugh for a second…

    • Sensnation

      That interview just made me sad to lose him all over again. Fck Dallas is so lucky right now!

      • Sandy

        I guess it pays to have an Owner capable of owning an NHL financially wise, that is.

  • FistsofNeil25

    Thank god… Olli Jokinen signs with the Preds.

    • Sandy

      Too old for the Sens.

    • MethotToMyMadness

      Where was it reported?

      Edit: After about 20 refreshes on TSN, it finally posted it. cheers

    • whammer44

      and baby jesus

  • CohMa

    A lot of people want to trade Greening (me included) but according to Capgeek he has a modified NTC. Anyone know what the “modified” part is?

    • Pasky

      Nobody wants him?

    • Doc

      “Limited and modified NTCs and NMCs simply mean the player’s contract includes specific terms for the clauses, usually stipulating windows and/or specific seasons and/or allowing the player to specify a no-trade list of undesirable teams or a trade list of desirable teams. CapGeek uses the terms “limited” and “modified” interchangeably.”

      So basically same as Spezza. All depends on what they agreed to in the contract.

    • SensChirp

      I actually yelled out “What?!” by mistake after reading that. Forgot they gave him one of those.

    • Hax

      likely something where it kicks in at a certain point in the contract and/or includes a limited number of teams he can block.

  • Mitchell

    Can’t they just have honourable mentions in the rafters oppose to retired jersey numbers? Are they trying to end hockey and introduce decimals? Or aztech writing? Montreal couldn’t have any more retired jerseys to go? I don’t know half the guys. I don’t think Montreal does either

  • Doc

    Damn it!!! Grabo might be choosing between Pittsburgh or Carolina.

    • spezzerman

      I bet Ottawa was one of the couple canadian teams interested… too bad

    • MethotToMyMadness

      It’s always one of the known teams who have amazing rosters and talent, or it’s one of the nice Sunny states. Ottawa loses out on both fronts, with exception to it’s sunny June and July, lol

  • AutoTurris

    Does anyone know the asking price from STL for Berglund? He wasn’t fit for the Spezza return but I like him and think he would thrive on an East third line with Lazar and Chaisson

    • Pasky

      One of our wingers, and maybe Prince as a prospect. Thinking one of Greening, Condra, Stone or Hoffman

      • Sandy

        Does St Louis have to move him?

        • AutoTurris

          Their depth on center is manifold; they obviously got Stastny but also signed another name I wasn’t familiar with… Perhaps from a team outside the NHL. If we could ship of Greening, a D man and a prospect for him, I would do it

          • Sensnation

            Berglund is not worth 3 pieces.

        • Doc

          He’ll probably play wing if he stays there.

  • Sandy

    Ottawa Senators @Senators · 4m

    Check out Alex Guptill and Nick Paul speaking with the media in their first scrums as members of the #Sens.

    WATCH: http://ottsens.com/1lTQOcH

    • SensChirp

      Ha. The Nick Paul interview is hilarious. You can tell he’s already a bit overwhelmed.

      • FistsofNeil25

        He’s going to be one big dude though.

        • Sandy

          Both are.

        • EK65

          Yeah, wow. 6’4″ 218. Yowza

        • Sandy

          So maybe the return is not so bad after all.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Only time will tell.

      • spezzerman

        Don Brennan sounds like he is fishing for an invite to dinner. What are your parents names, how do you spell that? Hahaha.

        He reminds of the unprepared reporter from the Simpsons “Who are you? Where are you going? “Oh, do your research, Shutton!”

      • ProfessorPower

        I watched him today, looks really good. Like really good, he is huge first of all..has speed, grit, size,good passing and a hard shot. Watching one of the camp invite’s trying to push him out of the crease was comical lol he could be the steal of the trade.

  • Brock

    Ottawa Senators @Senators
    #Sens fans: Listen in as Alex Chiasson, acquired by Ottawa yesterday, will join @TSN1200 today at 3:12 p.m. #WelcomeAlex

  • Sandy

    So why do you think that Murray called and spoke to Karlsson. Just trying to convince him the team was going to be okay?

    • Sensnation

      He’s done the same in the past with Alfie and Spezza. Just keeping the star players informed and trying to get their feedback.

      • Sandy

        So he would have spoken to Philips, Turris & Ryan as well?

        • Sensnation

          What?

        • WaitingSince92

          Phillips is a star?

          Pffffffffft!

          You get a 9 ‘f’ pfft for that.

          • Sandy

            I included him as he is an A on the team and the most senior player.
            And no, he is not a star.

    • SensChirp

      Also, next Captain.

      • Sandy

        You think?

      • Hax

        Seems likely at this point. Get him a few years with the C before he’s tempted to leave as a UFA.

        • whammer44

          Have to give it to him…anyone else right now and we could have threepeat

      • ProfessorPower

        Seems like it, although he said the conversation wasn’t at all about it…you can’t fool us Murray

  • MethotToMyMadness

    NMC, NTC and LNTC, where does the insanity end? What ever happened to the Team having the rights? lol. Honestly though, they’ve incorporated a cap system, which is hard enough for GM’s to manage. Then some nimwit agent has the bright idea to come up with the no trade clause, which just snowballed. Almost every 2nd deal signed has one, soon nobody will be able to be traded at all? Next, the players will start building in Early Termination Options like they do in the NBA. Unless that exists already, but I’ve never heard of it.

    • Pasky

      Thankfully that’s only in the NBA right now, and I’d be surprised if that ever comes to the NHL. Makes for more player movement which is exciting for us, but Owners would never agree to that, unless they also allow cuts like in the NFL which the NHLPA would never agree to.

      • Sandy

        or the end of guaranteed contracts.

        • Sensnation

          That would be going backwards.

    • RUSH RLZ

      I don’t mind movement clauses like Spezza and Gorges had, nice bonus
      that can be handed out to a top caliber player for reassurance that the
      team won’t send them somewhere awful, while giving the team some
      flexibility in where to move them for the best assets.

      Complete NMCs/NTCs though are downright awful in a world where a player can “demand” to be traded…

  • Sandy

    Chirp are you hearing any more news today re: Ryan, MacA or the trade?

    • SensChirp

      Nope.

      • ProfessorPower

        Really seemed like the trade was ready to fire.. I hope this doesn’t take long

        • SensChirp

          Ya, doesn’t mean there is nothing going on. Just haven’t heard anything new from people today.

  • AutoTurris

    I would not be opposed to having Puempel come up and play this year. I don’t think he will, seeing as Lazar will be up and two rookies would put strain on an already too strained team, but next year I’m hoping he is up

    • Pasky

      I can see him as an injury call up, mostly because we aren’t very deep on the left side, and if one of MacArthur or Michalek goes down with injury then we would want to have a LW that can score, which Puemple has proven to be a sniper.

    • sprucesens

      I wouldn’t mind our 4 LW being MacA, Hoffman, Puemple, michalek. Move the last 3 around as chemistry dictates. Would be nice to have greening out in a trade. Also, would be interesting with michalek on the 4th with smith and neil. Still very big bodies, but increases scoring chances dramatically, without getting worse defensively. Would be interesting anyways

    • CUP 2014-15

      Hope Puemple is not moved, the next Bobby Ryan with more fights. 30G 90 PIM’S not easy to score 30 as a rookie, even harder when your scraping 15 times a year. Would love to see him on the left with ZS and CL on the right side.

      • spezzerman

        He only had 7 fightsm not 15. Regardless, he shows a willingness which is great, but you wouldn’t want him fighting even that much. Most impressive is that he scored most of his goals in the final part of the season when he moved into the top 6. He definitely gets a look at some point this season

        • CUP 2014-15

          Would not want him Fighting either but the fact he is a willing combatant says a lot about his aggression.

      • Sensnation

        I’m higher on Puemple than most prospects we have already in the NHL. Completely agree about not moving him. He will either be a sniper or an occasional contributor, but either way it should be our roll of the dice to take.

  • EK65

    Chiasson speaking on TSN 1200 in less than 10 minutes

  • Cicero

    You do realize that, as of this month, our team just added +6 of PESK? (incl. trade of Spezza/-2 Pesk)

  • FistsofNeil25

    With rumors that Grabovski and Kulemin could both be joining Pittsburgh, does that make Brandon Sutter expendable?

    Maybe he’s the guy that Murray is targeting. Turris-Zibanejad-Sutter-Smith is a good young center group.

    • Pasky

      I wouldn’t be opposed to this, but wonder how much it would cost to acquire him, not to mention to sign him to a contract.

  • RUSH RLZ

    Derp.

    • Hax

      I agree. They have their place and I think GMs will try to push for at least minimal clauses going forward (i.e. players can list 5-10 teams as no-go). I’m not one that thinks a player should void their NTC/NMC if they request a trade though. Unless it’s a case where they won’t report to camp etc then that’s different. But I do think they should at least be flexible – i.e. not be like Heatley and only have one team he’ll go to.

      I have no real issue with Spezza declining the Nashville trade since Murray still had several teams he could work with.

  • AutoTurris

    Chicago has to take a salary dump on someone’s chest, and they’re interested in Greening (by all means) but Sharp is too expensive for us. Which sucks because I’d be down for Leddy, if we could move someone D too… Sigh

    • FistsofNeil25

      If you subtract Smith and Greening and add Sharp and Leddy that puts us around 55-56 million. Right at our internal cap figure.

      • AutoTurris

        That’s what you think we are working with? I set the internal cap to 53mil on cap geek because I figure that’s realistic. But thanks, I’ll adjust

        • FistsofNeil25

          Brucey has reported that it’s somewhere around 56 just like last year.

      • CohMa

        The only thing with that scenario is that we’d have to have a D going the other way. We already had 8 D including Ceci. Unless there’s another deal to get rid of a D.

        • AutoTurris

          I was thinking Weircioch in another trade, 1 for 1 for a forward

        • Hax

          Or maybe move some D out for 2015 draft picks?

        • spezzerman

          I’d add Cowen and our shiny new 2015 2nd to SMith and Greening if that’s what it took to get sharp and Leddy without including Lazar.

          And I love Cowen and think he is going to be a good top 4. But Leddy definitely is already and will be for a long, long time.

      • Pasky

        Still need to sign Lehner though unless you counted for that. If not, then trade Weircioch for maybe a 2nd rounder to someone.

        • FistsofNeil25

          I did count for that. Posted a possible line-up down below.

    • sprucesens

      I just hope we are actively discussing greening to Chicago for anything. picks or cap relief. Don’t care too much.

  • Cicero

    I think what’s really most upsetting is that there’s no actual hockey right now. It’s like as fans we’re sex obsessed, watching others talk about sex, planning sex parties, getting more money for sex, trying sex in new positions — and all the while we’re being held to enforced celebacy until September.

    • Brock

      lol what the fuck is this.

    • SensChirp

      Ha. This comment is begging to be tweeted.

      • Cicero

        haha it’s all yours Chirp…I don’t have tweeter

    • zippy

      Hot babes walking around naked. Suggestively teasing us..then saying “No no no you naughty man…gotta wait till september”

      • Sensnation

        That’s so cruel! Damn hot babes toying with our … “emotions”.

        • zippy

          Yes I would much rather they be draining my “emotions”. Dare to dream

    • RUSH RLZ

      So in the zany metaphor of yours… what is Melnyk exactly?

      • Cicero

        Melnyk is Melnyk.

        • Zelle

          LOL nice

  • FistsofNeil25

    Maybe it’s Eberle we’re targeting?

    • Sensnation

      Maybe it’s Crosby ;)

      After all the “guesses” we put out for the Spezza trade, I’d say we need to temper expectations.

      • FistsofNeil25

        There have been rumors there in the past and supposedly a deal was close last offseason that would send Cowen, Greening + for Eberle.

        • Sensnation

          I love Eberle as much as every single GM in the league. If it happens, great.

          That was also when Greening had trade value.

        • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

          Could be an interesting move.

        • CUP 2014-15

          Anderson, Greening + the unknown prospect ???

          • FistsofNeil25

            They don’t need Andy with Scrivens and Fasth already there. Maybe Greening/Smith + Cowen/Wierioch + prospect + pick.

          • Sensnation

            We could take one of those two back to backup and fight for time with Lehner.

          • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

            Would almost surely have to be a D going that way.

          • CUP 2014-15

            I hate moving a D but your right we need to carry 7 not 8 and CC is here to stay. Man I like PW and JC but one will be gone depending on the return I would think.

    • Sandy

      Love Eberle.

    • AutoTurris

      He’s a winger though, I’m not seeing much use to adding him if we’re all clogged up on the wings

      • Shibal

        Murray never mentioned he was targeting a center: He was prompted by Brennen about the need for a possible third or fourth line center. He has always had Zib in his mind as a second line center for the upcoming season.

  • Sandy

    Steve Lloyd @TSNSteveLloyd · 49m

    I’m told #Sens prospect Tobias Lindberg http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=85671Selected … will indeed play for the Generals. Oshawa took him in today’s import draft.

    Dan Malta @danfromcanada · 3h

    the #GENS select Tobias Lindberg 46th in the import draft, the Ottawa Senators draft pick is a ’95 born 6’3 198 lb C/RW out of Sweden
    ================================================================
    Good, we get to see what he’s all about playing in the OHL. Since I have Centre Ice, I get lots of OHL games which I do watch if the NHL isn’t on.

    • MikeS

      sweet, I guess im going to go see some more Generals games this year

  • Doc

    So no Grabo.

    Sadness.

    • Sandy

      Read he wants 5 yrs @ 5M

      • Doc

        I would do it.

        • my2sens

          Euge wouldn’t.

          • Doc

            Rinse, repeat.

          • my2sens

            Always.

    • Pat D

      Has he signed yet?

  • aegiszx

    Just caught up on Sens TV Development Camp videos.

    Did I hear that right when Lazar said he trains with Shea Weber in the off season back in BC? That’s pretty awesome to hear… I’m sure he’s probably gained a ton of insight and advice. Really looking forward to seeing how he does out of training camp.

    • Zelle

      Everytime I read something new about Lazar I get more excited.

  • esk

    Fans want a winner, not the Toronto Maple Leafs without the money. http://ottawacitizen.com/sports/hockey/gordon-the-ottawa-senators-image-problem

  • Doc

    Sens close to signing Legwand?

    • Sandy

      If that is true, the trade must be off.

      • spezzerman

        not necessarily. they said they wanted to sign a few UFA’s and make some trades. They can still do both. Legwand isnt a bad option as long as its one year

    • thepez

      Hey Doc, who is saying this?

      • Pasky

        I seen it from Cup 06 on Yost forum, not sure if it’s floating elsewhere

    • Sensnation

      I would be ok with that. Which line does he play on though?

      • Sandy

        3rd to start. Puts Lazar on the wing where they want him to start.

        • Sensnation

          You really think PM is going to play Z Smith 4th line minutes?

          • Sandy

            Don’t know. If Legwand comes in it won’t be Zibby going down to the 4th line.
            Think of it as line 3 A & B.

          • Sensnation

            I could see Zibby going wing. They keep saying they want him C right before they put him back on the wing. Or maybe Smith is traded in a deal to Edmonton. I just couldn’t see him playing 4th line minutes under PM.

          • CUP 2014-15

            I am with you on so many points you have made today. Like the young team, love the core etc… We also know Zibby has done his last tour on the wing. BM was asked if he felt KT could be the number one and his response surprised me. We have always felt that Kyle is one of the better 2nd line Centres in the league and I still feel that, MZ has all the tools to be that first line Centre and that’s where we see him. That’s not a quote to the word but you get where I am going. We better get use to seeing a lot of Zibby and I am good with that.

          • Sensnation

            Ya, the Zibby communication vs the coach’s actions I guess are where it’s hard to follow. I’m not sure I see 1st line talent in Zibby unless he becomes a sniper, but if he’s really the first line C why are Ryan and the next best player not playing with him?

          • CUP 2014-15

            He will have two good wingers this season and I think BR will be the one on the right and Milo will likely be on the port side. I see no reason to break up CMac KT and Stone as a unit after BR went down. Those two lines are not bad.

          • aegiszx

            I really really hope so. Ive said all along, Zibby is no Mike Fisher– he’s better. I think he will be a dominant top C in the league, it’s just a matter of time.

          • whammer44

            Imo Zbad will play C. He is a totally different player in the middle. If anyone should move to wing its Smith.

            Legwand would be a good fit. No reason to think that PMac can’t move Smith down but also play him in certain situations.as needed.

          • spezzerman

            at even strength, yes.

    • whammer44

      source?
      Would make us solid down the middle. Legwand is good for 20 G-50 pts

  • Sandy

    Can’t get into the Citizen article. Not signed up for online viewing.
    Can someone summarize what’s in it. I can just about guess though.

    • my2sens

      Which article, there are many.

      • Sandy

        This one..

        James Gordon @SensReporter · 40m

        Gordon: The Ottawa Senators’ image problem http://ottawacitizen.com/sports/hockey/gordon-the-ottawa-senators-image-problem/

        • my2sens

          Jason Spezza never could shake his image problem in Ottawa.

          To the 50 per cent of the fan base that disliked him, he was a goofy, giggling turnover machine. Even as his game rounded out a bit and he acquired the captaincy and his giggle-to-scrum ratio dropped through the floor, those who felt he should be able to flick a switch and become Steve Yzerman couldn’t shake their disappointment.

          Jason Spezza was never going to be Steve Yzerman or Jonathan Toews or Mark Messier — intense, two-way centremen who fit the archetype of the ideal NHL captain — but dismissing him as dumb or lazy or not interested in winning because of his personality or his offence-first style suggests a misunderstanding of his character. Spezza, in my dealings with him anyway, struck me as a conscientious student of the game who was gracious and generous with his time with reporters, contrary to the narrative that he couldn’t handle the media glare in the capital. He cared deeply about hockey and wanted to be successful at it.

          Which makes the fact he’s the second potential legacy captain to walk out on the Ottawa Senators in as many years over money and/or the team’s direction on the ice all the more troubling. While Spezza’s image problem will evaporate in the heat of Texas, the Senators’ image problem is darkening: if two consecutive team captains didn’t believe in the team’s direction, why should fans or free agents?

          Although Daniel Alfredsson’s departure last summer was primarily a financial dispute, he noted that he chose the Red Wings because “everybody knows Detroit’s goals are always to be at the top of the game and to win championships, and they’ve done that in the past.” Spezza echoed that sentiment Tuesday, saying he told the team during a “frank discussion” that he wanted out so he could win a Stanley Cup.

          What must have been increasingly clear to Spezza is that the Senators currently lack a coherent strategy that will ultimately lead to success — a reason to believe. On Tuesday, general manager Bryan Murray said the low-spending team will be competitive next season because it’ll be “hard-working.”

          Except you don’t win on hard work alone. The best way to build a winner on the cheap, which is what Ottawa is trying to do, is to lose for a while and draft blue chip prospects who are forced to work for cheap, then find some undervalued pieces on the open market. The Senators can sell a rebuild or they can sell a big-spending winner now, but selling a lunch-pail crew that struggles to make the playoffs every year is a dead end. Fans want a winner, not the Toronto Maple Leafs without the money.

          How times have changed. Four years ago, the Senators made a July 1 splash by signing marquee, puck-moving, Stanley Cup-winning defenceman Sergei Gonchar, who revealed these reasons for choosing them: “I played against Ottawa during last year’s playoffs and I was able to see how good they are. They were close to making the next step and going far in the playoffs, and I think I can help them with that. Also, playing in Canada is something special. Every time I’ve played in Canada, I always play better and I enjoy playing over there.”

          Ottawa isn’t a difficult market because of the media. It’s a difficult market because fans and players demand a contender at some point in exchange for their financial clout and emotional buy-in. That the team’s top players are expressing the opposite view of Gonchar’s on their way out the door is nothing to giggle about.

          The Senators need to change their image, their identity. To do that, they need a plan that goes beyond “we’ll work hard.”

          James Gordon is a former Citizen sports editor who covered the Ottawa Senators for six seasons.

          • spezzerman

            Murray was pretty clear they want to move away from depending on one line (one or two guys) to provide the offense to having scoring up and down the roster. Spezza is a unique player who can’t be replaced. So, he’s not trying. I do see a plan in place here, personally.

          • RUSH RLZ

            So instead of one or two guys to provide the offense, we moved to zero? Hahaha.

          • spezzerman

            haha. I still have faith that Karlsson will continue to run our offense. Zib is still a good forward and Turris is not going to top out as a 56 point player in his career.

            still lots to be excited about in OTtawa. Just hope that ownership can sell that to the guys we need to make that happen.

          • WaitingSince92

            I thought that was kind of a weird thing to say. Has all sorts of (conflicting) connotations. I mean, doesn’t every team want offence from EVERYBODY as opposed to mainly from a few? Chy can’t you have 5 twenty goal scorers AND elite talent?

          • spezzerman

            I see what you’re saying. But I dont think he is avoiding elite talent, just recognizing that it isnt easy to get. Karlsson is still the centrepoint of the team and he is obviously elite. We still have players like Turris and Zib who could become “elite.”

            But Ottawa’s most successful season, in terms of how far they made it, was because of one line, Spezza’s. And now, not even Crosby and Malkin can get you far in the playoffs. you need to spread that talent around vs focusing on getting “that one guy” to get you there.

          • WaitingSince92

            Running the offence through one or two guys is very different from having a dynamite top line. The 2007 team was more about that line scoring at will, not just Spezza. On top of that, we DID have everyone scoring. We have 3 elites offensive talents and then a shitload of contributors.

            Don’t believe me? Even Neil (and Schaefer) had 12 goals that year. Comrie, MacAmmond, Eaves and Kelly were around 15g, if my memory serves me well, then Vermette and Fisher around 20.

            So talking about that year, both conclusions are true; we relied heavily on 3 elite scorers, but we also scored by commitee, with around 8 other key guys. Just looked up the stats and even Phillips had 8g that year!!!

          • WaitingSince92

            Also, never meant to imply Murray was avoiding elite talent. Just mean to say that great teams score by committee AND rely heavily on their elite scorers. If you’re building a cup contender, it’s not a choice you make for one or the other.

          • Sandy

            Thanks for that. Appreciate it.

            One commenter on Yost’s article summed up the direction of the Sens this way:

            As I see it, the team is not contending or rebuilding – simply existing to generate money for Melnyk.

        • Sensnation

          These articles are a bit off in their representation. Alfie and Spezza left because the plan here was not to get them a cup asap, but instead rebuild and go for it further down the road. It’s not that there is no plan!!!

          • SensChirp

            Having a budget is not the same thing as having a plan.

          • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

            Well the plan is to ice as effective a team as possible cheaply…Is it a good plan that is likely to get fans into the seats and win us a cup…absolutely not, but it is a plan.

          • KJ

            its not the same thing, but having a budget is part of a plan. a lot of fans are not amused about the “plan”, since it doesn’t involve going to the cap or close to it.

          • Sensnation

            Having a very young team of upcoming NHL players with good potential is a plan. It sucks that the old regime is pretty much over, and we aren’t chasing the cup year after year for them, but you can’t pretend there isn’t a huge base of talent to take over for the next chapter.

          • Hax

            True. Though it could have been. If the “plan” had been to run lean, shed our bad contracts, focus on youth and then add the right veteran pieces … THAT would have been a good budget/plan. Sadly it’s looking like the last part was/is never going to be part of it.

          • Sensnation

            How can we say that? Up until 3 years ago they DID do that. Went after it over and over, Kovalev after Kovalev. I appreciate that they did that for a small market.

            They then said we are doing a rebuild and believe we can do it in about 3 yrs. That doesn’t mean we are cup ready in 3 years, that means we have the core of the players who in their primes will be able to compete for the cup with some tweaks. I do see the base of that here, no matter how destroyed I am these last 24hrs.

          • Sandy

            They didn’t count on Spezza and Alfie jumping ship.
            Alfie’s time to win the Cup was down to 2 yrs and I understand him leaving, but to go to Detroit was not to win a Cup.
            Spezza didn’t want to play for an Owner not committed to winning.

          • Sensnation

            We expected Alfie to retire at least 2 years ago. Spezza was expected to be the captain during this next stage, definitely, but that doesn’t mean the core behind him isn’t there.

            Your last sentence is wrong though, it misses the biggest part. He is not committed to winning RIGHT NOW! He is committed to the rebuild that started 3 years ago.

          • Hax

            I’m not losing hope altogether – and a Ryan extension could change my mind. I’m just starting to worry that the last part of “the plan” is actually just a false hope some of us have been clinging to. You’re correct that technically they haven’t deviated from “the plan” even if it’s a smart one … yet. But they’re getting awfully close.

          • spezzerman

            If Bobby Ryan wont sign I agree. But I’m going to let that happen first. I get Alfie and Spezza wanting to move on because we arent there yet for them.

            I wont get guys we need in our core moving forward wanting out.

          • Hax

            Right approach. And heck, even if Bobby wants to leave it doesn’t mean 100% we’re screwed, but it would be another nail in the coffin. I mean, if Murray has a plan AND Melnyk will let him execute it that doesn’t guarantee Ryan will buy in as well.

            But yes, Ryan signs and it dramatically improves the outlook. If he won’t then it gets really scary ’round here.

          • WaitingSince92

            Yeah, if the ‘plan’ doesn’t include things like resigning good vets (Ryan/MacArthur) to compliment our youthful core, then we know that ‘plan’ is really just synonymous to budget.

          • spezzerman

            There are still way too many question marks about what those prospects will be when they reach their potential. You add VEt UFA’s to fill the Gaps you know exist that your system cannot fill. Its still to early to know that, IMO.

            5 of our 8 D have played fewer than 2 full NHL seasons, Stone, Zib, Puempel, Lazar, Prince, Pageau, still have a lot of question marks, and tonnes of potential.

          • spezzerman

            You see absolutely no evidence of a plan? Really eh? Even after Murray said he wants to move away from depending on one or two forwards for your scoring and spread that around the lineup? I think its overly pessimistic to say they have no plan.

    • RUSH RLZ

      For the record I have never signed up for any sort of online viewing, and I can see that article just fine. Weird.

      • Sandy

        I guess they don’t like me very much.
        But I’m glad articles like this are coming out. Not that Melnyk is reading them from Barbados. What does he care? He just counts and funnels out the money from the Sens to his other bad business ventures.

  • Phil.

    From Gordon “Ottawa isn’t a difficult market because of the media…”
    That made me laugh. Media excusing media.

  • whammer44

    Bruins are tight against the cap…BM and PC have dealt in the past. Boychuk won’t get full value as he is in his final year so he will be under valued….and its likely never going to happen but throwing it out there.

    Out – Greening, Wiercioch, Hoffman ($5.4ishM)
    In – Boychuk, Marchand ($8M)

    Mac-Turris-Ryan
    Ball of Hate-Zbad-Chiasson
    Michalek-Lazar-Stone
    Smith-Grant-Neil
    (Pageau)

    EK-Boychuk
    MM-CC
    Cowen-Gryba
    (Phillips-Boro)

    Goalies as you were.

    • Doc

      I would definitely welcome both players, but I think you need to add better players from Ottawa’s side.

      • whammer44

        Maybe…but Boychuk is in the last year and Bruins have to unload…so they are up against it similar to what we were with Spez.

    • Pat D

      There is no point in going after wingers… we got enough of those! Id be looking to trade for Loui Erickson…

      • Doc

        Who is also a winger…

        • Sandy

          .. and a good friend of EK.

        • Pat D

          thought he was a center. my bad

    • Zelle

      From what I saw of Grant I didn’t find he was good enough to replace Pageau.

    • sprucesens

      I would almost be ok with that. Love boychuk, I’m ok with marchand, but he has more attitude problems than most. Not a huge fan of trading away weircioch and Hoffman, but you got to give to get. I’d prefer to add a center like pageau instead, as he probably doesn’t have a spot on the team in the future, unless its as the 4th C if smith is traded. But I would think we would prefer to keep the bigger guy, who can fight when needed. But you are probably pretty accurate in what it could take to give them some cap relief. I’d rather keep Hoffman, and throw a conditional pick in there if boychuk resigned. 4th pick, 3rd if resigned.

    • peetypuck

      Getting Boychuk and Marchand would be a great pick up. We could use a 2nd line LW and top 4 d-man more than anything.

  • Hax

    I like the article (thanks for posting it here) though don’t agree with every last word of it.

    It sure does seem like Alfie and Spezza both left because they felt the team was going about things the wrong way – i.e. not spending enough (now or in the near future).

    I hope if there is any truth to that (which I think there is) Melnyk smartens up quickly. We’re still in an amazing position right now. Lots of young talent, no bad contracts, no deadweight, lots of prospects, great coach etc. If Murray had the cuffs loosened and could afford to spend a bit more we could be 2-3 years away from being a serious powerhouse in the East.

    • Sandy

      All Melnyk needs to do is appease the fans a little bit is by raising his budget to 60M. That’s 9M below the cap and is what the ‘budget’ should be for a small market Canadian team. It wouldn’t be looked at as being really cheap.
      4 f’n million more out of the more than 30M he is getting in the TV deals. He can’t do even that? Could upgrade by 1 fairly decent player.
      My suggestion is when opening night comes around next season, he stays in Barbados. He is becoming public enemy #1 in Ottawa and I don’t think he would like to hear the boos he will get. They will be deafening.

      • Senatollah

        Since you are putting in your order for 4 f’n million more. Do you want one player at $4m for one year? or two $2m players for one year. Or are you thinking multi-year deal? Should we go long term on that $4m deal, it might mean we lose Lazar after his ELC runs out, but you are okay with that now right, cause gotta spend now!!!!! That $30M from tv deals is mine, all mine, i’m the passionate fan gimmie gimmie gimmie (is it really $30M next year? doesnt it ramp up from $12-15m up to $40+ by year 10?)

        • Sandy

          Not sure. But I thought it was right away.
          Everyone, including me, thinks the 56M budget is ridiculous for a Cdn NHL team.
          They will never spend with the big clubs and I don’t want them to. But 4M more is not going to force us to lose Lazar or whoever else as the cap will keep going up. Staying around 10M below the cap isn’t a bad thing either.
          But it may make players like Karlsson, Ryan, MacA, Turris to think the Owner will put up some money to keep the team competitive and they won’t think of following Spezza out the door.
          There is always going to be turnovers on teams when younger prospects push their way into the lineup.

    • Sensnation

      In 2-3 years our current core of young players will be commanding more money. If the plan is to give it to them instead of aging vets, I’m not opposed.

      • Sandy

        Very true. But that’s got to be the point where the Owner promised he would spend.. when the time comes.

      • Hax

        Couldn’t agree more – though I’m starting to worry that they DON’T plan on doing that, instead moving them out for cheaper options. Lather-rinse-repeat.

        • Sandy

          You man they become a development team for the rest of the NHL.

        • Sensnation

          I’ll believe it’s our trend when it happens a 2nd and 3rd time. So far it happened once and pretty much as expected just with more scars.

          • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

            It will take me twice..this was one.

  • Pat D

    Don’t blame Melnyk… blame his ex wife for taking half

    • Sandy

      It’s a lot more than that he has issues with.

      • jtf927

        absolutely. it looks like melnyk has alot of issues. i think he uses the team as a way for compensating for the shit show that is his life.

  • Sandy

    I have a dumb question that I don’t know if anyone can answer but I’ll ask anyway.

    Do you think the NHL Head Office monitors their owners to check the financial stability?

    Or do they just look at how the team is doing at the end of each season profit wise.

    • esk

      they must..if anything negative gets out then its all eyes on the NHL

    • Sensnation

      From my understanding the NHL is supercritical of the financial situation of their owners and does keep an open dialogue about it with them.

      • Sandy

        Well they must have lots of LD calls to Barbados talking to Melnyk.
        Do you think they get the idea that fans in Ottawa aren’t happy, or do they really care?

        • Sensnation

          Fans complaining that they are a small market and have to thus realize they are a small market probably means little to them right now. The %debt this team is carrying would be their main cause for concern if any, but I’m sure he’s talked to them about it at length. He put in a multi-year search for a minority partner.

          • Sandy

            Why doesn’t Cdn Tire just buy half? or all?

          • Sensnation

            Who knows, maybe they did lol. Kept Melnyk as their face.

          • WaitingSince92

            Why would Eugene sell half, or all?

          • Sandy

            Because we don’t want him anymore.

          • Sensnation

            “anymore” – is that not fair weather fandom at it’s purest?

          • WaitingSince92

            That’s not a reason. Why would he care?

          • Sandy

            He doesn’t.

          • esk

            “He put in a multi-year search for a minority partner.” when?

          • Sensnation

            Last I heard about it in the news was 2012 I believe.

    • Cicero

      The NHL scrutiinizes franchisees’ finances with third party audits. The NHLPA is also deeply invested, and does the same.

      Part of the contract between the NHL, the teams, and the NHLPA concerns fiscal responsibility and liabilities.

      • Sandy

        I’m more concerned with the financial stability of the Owner.
        I think the team is okay, it’s the Owner’s finances that should be scrutinized.

        • spezzerman

          I’m no financial expert so what I am about to say next could be way off but this is my take on the Senators propping up massive pharmaceutical companies

          A; its ridiculous to think that the Ottawa Senators are making enough money to prop up failing billion dollar enterprises. It just aint happening. Investors would not be comfortable with that and it wouldnt help with the valuations that drive market value…at all.

          B; If that were actually happening, the NHL would not be happy with a team using the money the NHL helps it earn and not putting that back into their brand. They would not allow it and do whatever they could to stop it.

          • Sandy

            I would assume that CTC is making money and probably is being used to paydown his debt accumulated in all of his enterprises.
            Maybe he has to sell his horses to put that money to his debt.
            That’s just my opinion. No knowledge of anything else.

        • Cicero

          Nope. Melnyk is insulated from the audits, because the Sens are incorporated.

  • AutoTurris

    Give us something Murray… Anything… This is worse than waiting for the Spezza trade because we have virtually nothing to go off of. At least with that deal we could dream, the only dream we all have right now is getting rid of Greening. Some good news, please… Please

    • Sandy

      Should have been silent. Kept his mouth shut, gave out too much info.
      But I think he was pretty frustrated with the trashing of the team and the questions he was being asked.

      No wonder he’s lost a lot of weight.

  • jtf927

    saw a post from hockeybuzz indicating a deal may be in the works that would sens greening + smith + lazar to the hawks for sharp + leddy. i would want to swap out lazar for one of our young dmen. any idea what has happened to this deal?

    • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

      Read the comments.

    • WaitingSince92

      Lazar is definitely untouchable.

      • jtf927

        absolutely. i was surprised when i saw lazar’s name come up in a potential deal. sharp and leddy are good, but definitely not worth a young prospect like lazar.

        • WaitingSince92

          Any deal where Lazar’s name comes up is not from a reliable source. The only instance I see it being true is as the last thing a GM says before Murray hangs up on them.

          • jtf927

            lol. no doubt eh? guy is a blue chip prospect. he should be starting the season in the NHL.

      • jtf927

        saw that the penguins are thinking about cutting ties with sutter. he would be a great pickup for our team. hoping murray is keeping en eye on that one.

        • Sandy

          For what price though? I thought he was decent on Pitts.

          • jtf927

            not sure about the details. he was quite good. i think the pens brass is trying to overhaul the team, small moves at a time. if we were to acquire him, it would have to be at a reasonable price for a shorter term. i would think something similar to the 9mm contract would be adequate.

          • Sandy

            He’s an RFA according to capgeek. Made 2.7M last season. 13 goals and 26 pts last season,

          • jtf927

            thanks for that info. that would actually be a cap friendly hit. murray could re-up him for another year and see if he would be interested in coming over. would solve our depth problem at centre.

          • sprucesens

            frankly that’s not all that good on a vaunted Pittsburgh team.

          • jtf927

            fair, but he played as a 3rd liner in a checking roll. given that the first two lines were stacked for purely offensive purposes, the numbers are still not that bad.

  • esk

    if lazar is getting traded then it better be kane or toews coming back. Dont see that happening anytime sooon soo that trade is jokes

  • FistsofNeil25

    Kulemin and Grabovski to the NYI for 4 years each

    • whammer44

      Isles needed to spend some money I assume they are being over paid

      • EK65

        I’d say that’s fair for them. I’d rather have either of them than Dave Bolland.

      • FistsofNeil25

        Kulemin at just over 4M per and Grabo at 5M per

        • Doc

          That’s actually what I expected.

          Damn it Murray!! You should have grabbed both.

          • Sandy

            Total of 9M when they only have room for 4M after the Lehner contract,.

          • Doc

            Fuck the budget.

            We would have had a very competitive team for not much more than the expected internal budget.

            Heck, I would have signed Kulemin/Grabo package before signing Michalek. It would have costed us 5 mill more than what we are at right now.

            God damn it. Would have been the perfect fit.

          • CUP 2014-15

            Ilike those players but I don’t think Grabo would sign here to play 3rd line

          • FistsofNeil25

            I don’t know. They’re good players but does adding them to Ottawa make us cup contenders? I don’t think so. That’s a lot of money for two guys that would not push us to the top.

          • Doc

            Contenders? Sorry to burst anyone’s bubble, but we’re YEARS from being a legit contenders.

            What those two would make us is a very competitive team. Let’s have some fun:

            Michalek-Turris-Ryan
            MacA-Grabo-Kulemin
            Stone-Zibby-Chiasson
            Hoffman-Smith-Greening/Neil

            You can shuffle some guys around, but that’s actually not bad at all.

          • Sandy

            But we would have to trade players for picks to stay under the 56M cap. Together they make about 9M.

          • Doc

            That was without any restrictions. Even then that roster isn’t far fetched nor expensive. Silly that we need to dance around these handcuffs.

          • esk

            thats an assumption..how do you know how lehner, cowen, turis, zibby, lazar will pan out? maybe their all superstars in the making that is also an assumption. Goes both ways.

          • Sandy

            Problem is they probably wouldn’t have.

    • Pasky

      That kills the Sutter talk from down below

    • EK65

      They’re taking their talents to Manhattan beach.

    • Sandy

      It was said they wanted to play on the same team. Ottawa would never have taken both.

      • jtf927

        yeah. it would have been a bad idea to sign two players like that anyways. murray is a smart man.

    • Sensnation

      Good move for the Islanders!

      • jtf927

        yeah, decent moves. definitely improves the offense and takes pressure off of okoposo and tavares.

    • Pasky

      Eklund makes me laugh….

      Grabovski to Pitt or Carolina? (E4)
      “Hearing this could be up next…”
      - Eklund

      • Sensnation

        He will autocorrect it now that the truth is out.

  • AutoTurris

    I’d be okay with this

    FORWARDS

    Clarke MacArthur ($3.250m) / Kyle Turris ($3.500m) / Bobby Ryan ($5.100m)
    Milan Michalek ($4.000m) / Mika Zibanejad ($0.894m) / Mark Stone ($0.603m)
    Curtis Lazar ($0.894m) / Patrik Berglund ($3.700m) / Alex Chiasson ($0.867m)
    Chris Neil ($1.900m) / Zack Smith ($1.888m) / Mike Hoffman ($0.750m)
    Erik Condra ($1.250m) /
    DEFENSEMEN
    Erik Karlsson ($6.500m) / Jared Cowen ($3.100m)
    Marc Methot ($3.000m) / Patrick Wiercioch ($2.000m)
    Cody Ceci ($0.894m) / Chris Phillips ($2.500m)
    Mark Borowiecki ($0.575m) /
    GOALTENDERS
    Craig Anderson ($3.188m)
    Robin Lehner ($3.000m)
    BONUS OVERAGE
    $0
    ——
    CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
    (estimations for 2014-15)
    SALARY CAP: $69,000,000; CAP PAYROLL: $53,352,500; BONUSES: $1,988,333
    CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $15,647,500

    • AutoTurris

      Or Hodgson instead of Berglund on the third line, realistically.

      • Zelle

        Hodgson didn’t want to play on the second line in Vancouver, I doubt he will play on the third line in Ottawa.

    • Brock

      Switch Chiasson and Stone and it looks pretty good.

    • whammer44

      Overpaying Lehner.
      Defense looks the same as last year…not good.

      • EK65

        That’s what it will take to get him to sign here

    • ProfessorPower

      He’ll no to Berglund. Stop talking about this guy, doesn’t make us a better team. There’s a lot of players we can target for a trade, if we want to compete we need a fucking impact player. BM has to do his best

      • Doc

        Agreed.

      • Hax

        Yeah unless we know for sure that his shoulder is 100% then there are better options than Berglund. Not sure how Hoffy would work on the fourth line either and we need a better RD in the mix. But not a bad roster.

  • jasonontheoldsenschirp

    Islanders gonna be better than the Sens this year.

    We’re going to need some more help to compete in the East this season man.

    Maybe Berglund isn’t such a bad idea

    • Sandy

      With how many high draft picks they have on both forward and defense, they should be.

      • Guest

        I’m talking about their two recent signings. It’s going to help them a lot.

        • Sandy

          Not going to argue that, but those two are around a lot of high draft picks on both D and Forward that the Sens don’t have drafting from 10-20 instead of consistently in the top 5 like Isles usually do.

          • jasonontheoldsenschirp

            Sandy. I am not comparing the Senators to the Islanders. I am just saying the Islanders have the potential to be better.

            I don’t care about the Islanders drafting.

          • Sandy

            Not going to argue that. The Isles drafting btw has them Tavares and others that will go to making them better. They also have Halak, I believe, as he’s not too shabby either. They could contend for a playoff spot. Locks to me are Boston, Tampa & Columbus.

    • Sandy

      4 yrs for both Grabovski (5M) & Kulemin (4,187) – the Sens would not go that term.

      • jasonontheoldsenschirp

        I know.

  • CUP 2014-15

    Anytime I feeI am starting to feel too good about our team, I just need to go to Yost and all is negative again. I really like the part about how I could care less about Character. I guess that’s because Character does not have ” underlying numbers”.

    • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

      He is an idiot

      • Doc

        He’s right on a lot of things.

        • Hax

          Kinda makes him worse in my eyes. Chirp is (for me) the right balance of “fan” and “insider”. He rarely editorializes positively or negatively but you do get his opinion. Yost is too sensational and attention grabbing, even though he does know his stuff. If Yost was more interested in passing on valuable info than he was on getting attention I’d probably give him more attention.

          • Doc

            That may be true, but I don’t see it that way.

            Whatever opinion he has, he backs it up with stats. So you know exactly where he’s coming from. Plus, I’ve said this before, but he fills a void that we have in the Sens community.

            Advance stats will only get more and more prevalent in the sports world.

          • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

            Yost comes across to me as the nerdy guy who really wanted to play football in high school but was always too small…he likely now compensates and works out religiously and is relatively jacked and runs numbers lol

            If he lived in Ottawa I would actually be 100% certain that he is a guy I work with haha

          • Doc

            Hahaha lol. That made me chuckle, if only for the mental image.

            I’d welcome grabbing a beer with guy. I would have a shit load of things to talk about.

          • Cicero

            TIL: Doc is Yost.

          • Doc

            I’m flattered but I wouldn’t have the patience to write a blog.

            Plus, he’s a way better writer than I’ll ever be.

          • Cicero

            Okay, well let’s hope one day you pen your own. :)

          • Doc

            It would have to be satirical for sure.

            Too much crap going on with the team that we need to laugh about it.

          • jasonontheoldsenschirp

            I actually think it’s good in the Sens blogging community that we have BOTH Chirp and Yost, so that we’re able to have different opinions on the Senators team.

            I’m a fan of both of their work. Helps me understand things better.

          • Doc

            Exactly my point. You need different perspectives to form a valid opinion.

          • Hax

            Very fair point.

      • ProfessorPower

        Yup, any guy who says Character isn’t needed doesn’t know a damn thing about Sports. Stats only go so far. Any person with a brain could see Character was the most important element in this year’s playoffs to be successful.

        • Doc

          Read his full article and you’ll see what he meant.

          Too much emphasis on “size” and “character” lately.

          • esk

            cause that seems to be the recipe to win championships

          • Doc

            Skills + character does. Not either of them alone.

          • Sandy

            Sure worked in LA. They have some really top skilled players, but the Sens have skill as well in the first line and with Zibby, Lazar and don’t forget Karlsson. Sens have pieces to build on. I want to see a team working hard to compete every night. Something we did not see very often last season. They may not win a lot of games, but I want the other team to know they were in a hockey game. I would imagine about 1/3 of those contracts signed yesterday will be bought out in about 3 yrs or so.

          • ProfessorPower

            You can never over emphasize those two things, history shows they help you win. Size is a little more complicated, you can big big and soft..but playing big is never overrated. Too much emphasis on Corsi and points, winners win whether they score or not. There presents alone helps the team be successful. TEAM, we don’t need the best players in the league.. we need the best team game to win. So many factors effect an individual’s statistics..intangibles are only seen with your eyes, not on a fucking calculator or a stats sheet.

          • Doc

            Easy tiger, you’re mixing a few things now. You’re contradicting yourself in the same post.

            If you want to shit on stats, take a look at LA’s advance stats and you’ll see exactly why they won.

          • ProfessorPower

            I wonder what made there stats so good, maybe it was size and character that brought the best out of them…im not sitting on stats, but I can easily say they don’t show the full story.

          • Doc

            But size does? That’s exactly my point.

            It’s a combination of things. Having size and character can only get you so far.

          • ProfessorPower

            I just explained the size comment, read again. And I never said they are the only two things you need, a ton of skill helps clearly. I was arguing against his claim of those two attributes being overrated, because that’s a dumb thing to think. Size Skill Character Speed wins..you need all 4.

          • Doc

            So you are agreeing then.

            They are overrated if it’s the only thing you are looking for, which seems to be the trend the past few years. When character is valued more than skills, you get signings like Greening.

          • ProfessorPower

            No. Face palm. Skill without character is the same damn argument…why didn’t Filatov make the team. And since when does Greening have great character haha I’m done talking to this 40 year old virgin.

          • Doc

            Again, we’re agreeing then. It wasn’t a matter of one or the other, it was that you can overemphasize one OVER the other.

          • ProfessorPower

            Then the discussion is pointless, you can say that about any element of evaluation on a player/team. You can’t ignore things, the line was basically too much emphasis on size and character. Thats wrong, if you said you can’t have size without skill if you want to win than that makes sense. All 4 attributes are needed and should be equally valued when looking at a player/team.

          • Doc

            Key words: Too much.

            Which is what started all of this lol.

          • ProfessorPower

            Yes,but the same applies to all things. Making it pointless to discuss. I took it as size and character are not that important, that’s what I have been arguing against because that’s what you/Yost implied. In that discussion, I made my point.

          • Doc

            Don’t make me fight you.

          • ProfessorPower

            Didn’t you get my letter in the mail….I got you two tickets

            To the Gun Show! Pew Pew

          • Doc

            Sold them to jimmy! :D

          • Rafi Bomb

            Having skill can only get you so far. See Filatov.

          • Doc

            Agreed.

          • Doc

            We should have a team full of Kassians, see where that leads us.

          • Rafi Bomb

            What a dumb comment.

          • Doc

            Thanks for proving my point.

          • Rafi Bomb

            You proved your incompetence.

          • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

            FIGHT

          • Doc

            Ha! Love it.

          • Doc

            Ironic when you completely missed the point. Never mind the fact that your response didn’t make any sense.

            Kisses.

          • Rafi Bomb

            It is a dumb comment to jump to the conclusion that anyone who is advocating increasing the size and character of this team wants a team full of Kassian’s.

            Character is what wins you championships. Look at Justin Williams. There is an example of a guy who gets the most out of his skill set and then some simply because he wants it more.

            If you want to use metrics then you need to base them based off of performance relative to importance of game as well as performance relative to a gradation of in game situations. You need to factor in things such as won puck battles and foot races. You need to factor in puck retrieval metrics such as pressure on puck carries, puck pursuit as well as qualitative assessment of hits and there implications on opposition players puck possession, turnovers and failed passes. You need to factor in performance relative to fatigue level and injury. You need to factor in intimidation level and its implications, performance relative to pressure placed on player. You need to factor in metrics assessing quality of back checking.

          • ProfessorPower

            What a retarded thing to say. Take things to the extreme if it makes you feel better.

          • Doc

            Then we agree.

          • CUP 2014-15

            lol

          • CUP 2014-15

            Rangers and Kings, well I wonder how much character it took to come back from 3-0 or 3-1 down in a series? The so called best Captian talented but It was Mess’s Character that had his team follow him the way they did. Character is very underated. Character is nothing without talent but talent is meaningless without Character.

          • Doc

            Agreed! That’s the point I’ve been trying to make.

            Guess I failed on that part. I blame it on the heat.

          • CUP 2014-15

            Not at all, I got what you were saying and loved the sarcastic shot about Kass but I kind of took that one a different way as in stats dictate Sens win when he plays. Been a fun 2 days, time to take care of some business. Have a good night Doc.

          • Doc

            Thanks. I guess I should have written it in a sarcastic font before people got riled up.

            A good night to you as well, good sir.

        • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

          This is exactly why I dislike him…Anyone that has played sports at any relatively high level knows that stats only mean so much, if they were the be all and end all we would’t bother playing the games.

          We would just have a bunch of nerds crunching numbers to tell us who should have won the game….and frankly that would be boring as hell to watch.

        • Aaron 2.0

          I’m not saying “character” isn’t important. But, frankly everybody has character. Maybe there are a few out there to avoid. And, there are probably a few phenomenal characters out there too. But, just thought I’d point out that using the LAK vs NYR series in a negative post about advanced statistics maybe isn’t a great call. Both teams have amazing underlying numbers.

          • Doc

            Both were in the top of the league yes. Having New-York in the finals wasn’t a surprise.

    • jasonontheoldsenschirp

      Travis Yost is actually very reasonable in a lot of his analysis. He’s a stats guy and looks at things from a practical stand point. A lot of his stuff if not all is backed up by actual proof.

      • Doc

        I love his stuff, but I know it’s not for everyone.

        • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

          I am growing to appreciate his opinion sometimes, but it would be nice if just once he would use his stats for something positive.

          • jasonontheoldsenschirp

            He keeps it real. That’s just his style. When he has something good to say, best believe he will say it.

            But given what’s happened surrounding the organization the past two seasons, it can certainly be easy to be negative.

          • Doc

            Agreed.

          • Doc

            It’s not his fault though lol.

            We’re in a shitty situation, no matter who you slice it.

          • esk

            things can be worse..leafs.

          • Aaron 2.0

            Well, when our target was Pouliot, there wasn’t a whole bunch of excitement here at first, although we did come around. But, Yost was out in front saying he really liked the target. So, he can be positive. I think he’s been a little tougher than necessary about the team’s situation. Not necessarily because he’s wrong (I think he’s usually pretty spot on), but just because it is becoming a bit of a pile on with him at times. But, in fairness to him, if not for his constant blogs on the issue, I don’t think we’d know nearly as much, and media would probably ask even fewer relevant questions. Just my 2 cents though.

      • CUP 2014-15

        I don’t mind stats and as much as they tell some of the story, they don’t tell all. His fav. stat is corsi and by that stat NJD was 5th best in the league last year Van was 8th and OTT finished ahead of Pitt and the Ducks. If he wants to be a stats guy that’s great but to be the sites voice of a team, maybe he should learn more then just the numbers. After all, we can see from the underlying numbers above that they don’t lie.

      • Rafi Bomb

        He, much like everyone else, is instrumental in his reasoning. He has a point that he would like to prove and then he comprises statistical research, makes his inferences which end up becoming the premises to support his desired conclusion.

        Don’t take any of Yost’s stuff as an objective analysis. Simply critically analyze the quality of his arguments and make your own assessment of there validity.

  • CohMa

    Ooh Eklund just tweeted OTT is in on Del Zotto… I’m on my way to get my Del Zotto jersey now!

    Ps no thank you to del zotto

    • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

      that means we aren’t

      • CohMa

        Sounds good to me that we aren’t. I think there’s probably a reason New York and Nashville both gave up on him.

        • Spoons

          He’s the Filatov of the 2008 draft

          • Shibal

            MDZ is actually from the 2008 draft – along with Filatov

  • jtf927

    amazing that dallas has a collective cap hit of just 55 mill after all those signings. pretty impressive. eklund is reporting that mdz is looking at ottawa and nj. this would be an awesome signing. if we could get sutter and mdz, this would really round out our team well.

  • jtf927

    apparently calgary is on mdz as well. come on man, sign with us! you can run the pp with karlsson.

  • Don Ciccio

    Cup 06 from Yost’s blog is saying that Legwand is close to signing with us…..I don’t really care for Legwand and would rather give Pageau an opportunity.

    • Aaron 2.0

      Hard to know what to make of the chatter right now. Murray sounded like he thought he was done with free agents. If something happens, I’d guess the supposed deal fell through. So, I’m hoping for no UFA signings, at least at forward.

    • jtf927

      not a bad option. i would rather have sutter if he is available. little concerned about legwand’s shortened seasons.

    • ProfessorPower

      I hope not.

    • Sandy

      He’s experienced for sure and has more size than Pageau and is reported to be a good 200 ft player. He’s not elite by any means, but he could fill the 3rd line centre role for a year or two.

      • Rafi Bomb

        Would rather have Ott. Or give Lazar a shot at centre.

      • Don Ciccio

        Why? Would you rather have Legwand at 3.54mil or JG Pageau at $700,000…..I know who I would take.

    • Sensnation

      Legwand would give some of the missing veteran leadership and fill a positional role at the same time, but I agree with you, I’d much rather let Pageau play out a full year as a C in the NHL.

      • Don Ciccio

        Well, we might as well play the young guys if we are not intending on spending money to try to contend.

  • Cicero

    Guys we have a awesome young team. Kudos to BM and PD for navigating the debacles of Alfie and Spezza leaving. We’re set back a bit, but the we’re building. For goodness sake, we’ve been lucky to get some amazing talent since the early 90s. We draft/develop/sign once-in-a-generation players at least twice in a generation (I’d put Spezza and EK65 in that category. Yes, Spezza. His career highlight reel challenges the greatest ever.)

    Next year will be a winnowing year. Many opportunities for young players to develop on the big stage. We’ll be in an even better position next season’s trading deadline if we really need a five-star UFA.

    Chatter overvalues the interpretation that ownership sucks — I think it simply makes good sense for the veterans to leave and shop for a Cup before retiring. Eugene is not a fan favourite, but let’s not entirely dismiss him, since he saved the team from leaving town. For that alone, I’ll always give him the benefit of my doubt.

    Chiassion, Guptill, and Paul are talented, gritty acquisitions. Why the heck aren’t we celebrating?

    It’s not such a bad life you know, being as Sens fan :)

    • SENSible Voice

      What have you been drinking? We have an awesome young team???

      This team, as is, is damn right awful! We’re suppose to be in our final year of a re-build yet we are worst off then we were 3 years ago. How am I suppose to be optimistic about the state this team is in?

      So we have one extra pick then most other team next year… I should be excited about that? Veterans who have helped build this team are leaving when we should be complimenting them with rising stars… and that’s a good thing? Heatley was adored by fans when he was scoring 50 goals for us but left as a disgrace… same will happen with Melnyk.

      I was labelled a pessimist not long ago because I did not see the light at the end of the tunnel. Two critical dates have now come and gone and things are looking even more gloomy than ever. Until I hear good news, I will continue to believe that next season will make for a long winter.

      • Cicero

        Keiths India Pale Ale

  • AutoTurris

    We need to deal a winger (Greening) so I pray that trades haven’t fallen through and we are exploring the UFA market exclusively.

    • Sandy

      We also need to deal one or two D.

      • Doc

        Was about to say. We should clean up our D situation before anything else.

    • AutoTurris

      aren’t*** God, that was a horrible typo

      • Doc

        Edit is your friend!

    • Rafi Bomb

      The UFA market for what type of player?

  • AutoTurris

    Is Kruger untouchable from CHI?

  • Sandy

    It’s Eklund so take it for what it is worth.

    But my god, I hope not.

    Del Zotto talking to Calgary, Ottawa and NJ (E3)

    • ProfessorPower

      Good, NJ will outbid us. Sometimes it pays off to be poor..no pun intended.

  • Sandy

    So with the money given to Grabovski today, would we assume that MacArthur wants the same?

    • Sensnation

      Hopefully he takes that good ol’ hometown discount, but ya 4-5mil should be expected. Depends on term too.

      • zippy

        He will not. And should not.

        • Sensnation

          Are you upset with Michalek then?

          • zippy

            Michalek deserved 3-4. If he stays healthy. And he will lead the young guns.

            Ryan is much better. I’m thinking 5-6.

    • Kumar

      MacArthur is not going to be worth more than $4M; he had career high numbers last year. If he can’t repeat his performance at most he will command $4M. We can be certain that he will take $16M for 4 years.

      The problem is Ryan. Will he resign based on our direction. We need to ink him before the season starts, if not we will lose him end of the year.

  • Kumar

    Bryan needs to sign one more player (preferably via trade), if not we will be one of the lowest scoring teams. I still don’t trust our D. I don’t think we will be any better than last year in giving up goals. We performed last better in the last 12 games partly thanks to Cowen’s injury and Spezza/Hemsky chemistry. Also, Andy made some much needed stops too.

  • Sandy

    So Chirp are you hearing anything about the trade on if it’s with a team that has cap issues?

    • SensChirp

      Not a dang thing about the specifics of that trade actually.

      • Rafi Bomb

        What about type of player, or position? Is Murray targeting a power forward?

        • SensChirp

          Top six. But people can’t even agree on wing or centre, it seems.

          • Rafi Bomb

            So could it be a player who plays both? Maybe a player like Brayden Schenn?

  • SensChirp

    What I did hear is that the trade conversations are ongoing though so I do still expect something to come of it.

    • ProfessorPower

      That’s good, was worrying maybe the trade fell through.

      • Spoons

        I wouldn’t get too excited. One player that would make sense for a trade is Lecavalier. Philly needs to clear some cap room. Sens need a top 2 center. I wouldn’t touch that with a 10 foot hockey stick. Could be a scenario though

        • ProfessorPower

          Ya,that would not be good.

        • FistsofNeil25

          It doesn’t make any sense at all. Lecavalier doesn’t fit in whatsoever. Too old, over the hill, and makes way too much money for what he brings to a team.

    • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

      Oh good… So Murray just opened his mouth to soon?

      • Sensnation

        He straight up said not to expect it immediately. He can never win can he.

        • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

          I heard him say “we are waiting on them to pick the prospect they want”… That too me implies imminent

          • Sensnation

            I’m not sure that means imminent within 24hrs.

          • Spinorama

            If puemple stone hoffman is not enough then screw them. Lazar isnt going anywhere.

          • Rafi Bomb

            I think Murray was suggesting that he has provided a few options in regards to prospects that the other team could take and that they are choosing between them. I think it is unlikely that Stone or Puempel would be involved. We have probably put a package together with players like Greening, Condra, Wiercioch and Hoffman involved as well as some depth prospects. We haven’t signed Dziurznski or Grant yet, maybe the choice is between those two. Or maybe it is some recent draft picks like Tobias Lindberg, Robbie Ballgeron or Nikita Filatov.

          • Sensnation

            There has to be something of value going their way if it’s going to be a top 9 player coming back. In that list only Wiercioch would fit the bill. If Murray somehow got a team to take our 4th line players and a depth prospect in exchange for 1 top 9 player, I think a lot of even the more pessimistic fans would have to change their tune.

          • Rafi Bomb

            Based on the type of returns we have seen for Neal, Kesler, Spezza and Hartnell it is a buyers market. We will have to give up something decent but we likely won’t have to pay a premium.

          • Spinorama

            You think we can get sharp n leddy with just greening weircioch and grant ??? Seriously ?

          • Rafi Bomb

            No, not both of them. Any player we acquire could cost a key prospect but it is unlikely we give them up so I doubt Stone, Lazar, Ceci or Puempel get traded.

            Neither Anaheim or Dallas gave up premier prospects. Look at both teams prospect pools and look at the players that Vancouver and Ottawa likely wanted and what they actually got in return.

          • Sensnation

            Agreed on the buyers market, but you at least have to offer them potential. Like Chiasson potentially being a 2nd liner. I don’t think anyone expects Greening or Condra to still make that jump. But as I said, if BM pulls it off, let’s get the statue made!

          • Rafi Bomb

            Those wouldn’t be primary pieces, they would be throw ins.

          • Sensnation

            But who are the primary pieces? Hoffman, Pageau, Prince? I can see Wiercioch holding some value, so it all depends on who this mystery return is, but those first 3 won’t tilt trades imo.

          • Rafi Bomb

            Yeah, Wiericioch, Hoffman, Prince and Pageau would be the primary pieces. Maybe a few of them would be packaged together if we are getting a first line player. Then we could add picks, Greening and Condra and depth prospects as well.

          • Sensnation

            It sounds like too much depth, not enough skill if I’m the other GM, but you never know what they’re looking for. Wish we knew the team and player names, Murray needs to drop a hint to Garrioch.

          • Max2166

            As long as Pageau and Lazar are not part of the deal, I’m fine with it.

          • Spinorama

            No stone puemple in the package ?? Lol
            I have a headache now.

          • Max2166

            As long as Greening heads out of town, I will be happy.

          • Phil.

            He said the other team was stalling to pick the prospect. Stalling does not sound like quick resolution to me.

        • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

          Also I would assume whatever GM he was working with would be annoyed that Murray even said anything… Although I suppose there were no details so likely no harm

        • Aaron 2.0

          Bwhahahaha. I honestly do think Murray is doing just fine overall! I question some of his tactics this year (e.g. publicly stating Spezza doesn’t like being blamed for the team), but overall I do trust Murray’s judgement in managing the roster, and wouldn’t want anyone else.

          A thought occurred to me at 2:00 AM in yesterday morning though, while I was taking out my dog one last time (late night of work). Why we he tell the media about a potential trade? If I’m the other team, and Murray just made a sort of half announcement to the fan base, I’d (the other team) would immediately jack up what I want. Their fan base is expecting it now!

          Again, I think Murray is a great GM. I feel for him big time, working within the confines he’s been given. But, I’m still concerned that PR is too important right now. It might be coming from the top. But, I really do feel he should stick to managing the team, and be careful not to say things that aren’t necessary.

          • Sensnation

            He did it for us. Partially because he’s a good honest guy, but I think tactfully to get us talking about anything other than Spezza.

          • Aaron 2.0

            Yeah, I totally agree w/ you & Spinorama (it’s for the fans). That’s really my concern, I guess.

          • Sensnation

            BM believes in this team, not because he has to, not because we want him to, but because he built it and can now be judged on the team HE made and not the one he inherited. I think he’s just trying to share his passion and excitement with us, not because he needs us to fill the seats, but because he truly believes it.

          • Spinorama

            Its also a way to get the fan base to accept early and move. Good move. Imagine had no one known and we move spezza out of the blue….hed be crucified

    • Max2166

      Thank you for the good news. Maybe it will happen tomorrow.

  • Phoenix

    I am sure I am going against the grain of the salt but I will say its not Chicago for the team he is talking trade to. I have a feeling its LA, PHI or Boston. I hope Murray is aiming for younger player with some NHL experience that can add to the pesky Sens. I do think its a player that will help convince the soon to be UFA’s to stick around.

    • Rafi Bomb

      Kings have Justin Williams and Jarrett Stoll as UFA’s next season. I can’t see either wanting to leave but I guess it is a possibility. Maybe they still have an interest in moving Mike Richards.

      I don’t know if the Flyers are looking to move anyone but Wayne Simmonds, Jakub Voracek, Brayden Schenn and Sean Couturier would all be of interest to the Sens. Simmonds would be perfect so I could see the Sens be willing to pay a premium to acquire him.

      Boston has Brad Marchand potentially on the block, but I would be surprised if he gets traded within the division.

      Winnipeg is at a point where they need to ship Evander Kane out. I could see the Sens putting a package together to acquire him. They also might be willing to part with Andrew Ladd.

      Washington is pretty close to the cap and might be willing to part ways with Troy Brouwer.

      Carolina has been involved in rumors that suggested they were looking to part ways with Eric Staal, Jordan Staal, Jeff Skinner and Alexander Semin at various points throughout last season.

      San Jose could part ways with Patrick Marleau or less likely Brent Burns.

      • Deadly

        Would love Justin Williams.We camp with his uncle who always craps on the Sens.That would shut him up.

        • Sandy

          Next time you see him, he will have a lot to crap about.

      • Sandy

        No one is touching that Eric Staal contract unless it’s a team with a lot of cap space. I assume he has a NTC.

  • AutoTurris

    I say we make good on this rumored trade for Sharp + Leddy, only give Greening, Stone, Prince and the 2nd from Dallas. Then trade Cowen, Weircioch, Anderson -plus prospects to Buffalo and get Hodgson and Gorges.

    We make the playoffs.

    • Rafi Bomb

      I wouldn’t trade Stone or Cowen.

      • AutoTurris

        Would you rather Methot over Cowen?

        And Stone is talented, but injury prone. He tripped over a puck and was out last season… He’s a great player but if he helps bring in help now, I’m for it

        • Rafi Bomb

          Stone has high end upside. He is one of the few prospects that I wouldn’t really consider moving. His injuries might have slowed his development but he has still come a long way and is ready to be an NHL player at this point.

          Cowen is raw but his upside is very high as well. I would be patient with him because eventually he could be a very dominant player in this league.

          • Spinorama

            You do know sharp is a perennial all star and olympian right

          • Sensnation

            At 32, will Sharp be ok staying through a rebuild? He has a cup but will he ask to leave for another shot before retiring?

          • Spinorama

            Another move is coming buddy. Look at colombus. Playoff team and they are at the floor. Same plan, just need to find our hartnell lol

          • Rafi Bomb

            Just because I don’t want to give up Stone or Cowen doesn’t mean that I am undervaluing Sharp. All I am saying is that those are assets that I don’t have much interest in parting with. You need to build for the future.

          • Sensnation

            I don’t fault you for wanting to keep Stone, he’s got good skills and has had chemistry on just about any line he’s put on. This year and maybe next are definitely the last time people will question if has the full skillset or not though, and if he doesn’t we may have wished we used that trade value. Just how I’m looking at it. I’m more than happy to keep him around.

          • peetypuck

            You want to trade Stone because he isn’t a star at the age of 21?

    • Sensnation

      I’d keep Cowen as well. Would consider trading Stone for an upgrade, despite his upside.

    • Deadly

      Sharp would be the type of player we would add in 3 years time when our core of young players have us solidly in the mix. I would much rather promote Our prospects that could benefit with increased challenges. Our first round choices from our recent draft( Puempel , Prince ) should be given every chance to make our team. We alway celebrate our late round prowess ,let’s allow our high choices to succeed.

  • Spinorama

    Sure is depressing in here. Already talking about Ryan leaving. You guys are exhausting. I for one am glad we’re finally moving in a new direction. We were never going to win with alfie, spezza hemsky… I want guys who want to be here that play with an edge, and do the little things to win close games. I also believe murray can make a playoff team while keeping on budget. I am ok with that. Who cares if we spending to the floor. Better than all other teams over spending on guys. Give credit to management for knowing that teams would eventually be over the cap. Here is our chance to get back on track with a few nice moves we can be eastern contenders and still being on budget.
    well be fine sens fans. Enjoy the youthful energy and they will surprise you.

    keep the faith, in murray we trust.

    • BeJamin

      I have it on a pretty good source that he’ll be leaving. I hope he doesn’t. Frankly, how can you not be depressed at this point in time as a Sens fan? Melnyk is tanking the organization. At this point we seriously should trade Andy and just go for McDavid. Maybe the young guys will surprise us (it’s certainly possible) but it’d be just as good to get a future star and really build the team. If there is any draft to tank it’s this one. Maybe Melynk knows that?

      • Spinorama

        And my headache is back again…if thats so then move him. This fan base needs to toughen up instead of begging players to stay. The insecurities here are pretty bad. Please love our town…lol

      • Sandy

        How does the source know? Does he work in Murray’s office or the agent’s office?
        It’s all speculation at this point. We just don’t know.

        • Harv

          I pop in here on a daily basis hoping to get some logical, grown up hockey talk. Some posters here deliver. Some make me wonder why they bother posting.

          This truly is a haven for the nabobs of negativity.

      • Sensnation

        Can you ask your source for the trade info instead, that would be great!

      • Harv

        I am getting really tired with the “Sens are going to tank” talk. What a load of hogwash. Time to move out of the depths and come into the sunlight. This is going to be a good team of hard workers. And, we get to watch.

  • Zelle

    Canucks with two good pickups so far. Kind of wish Sens had landed Vrbata.

    • Brock

      Benning has done a really good job in Vancouver so far.

      • Sensnation

        Agreed!

        What rebuild? lol

      • Zelle

        Yes and I’m grateful. I really didn’t like their GM I thought he was garbage, especially how he handled the goalie situation. Basically created a toxic atmosphere for two stand up guys with talent. Unfortunate that Kesler left but I’m hoping he can right the ship soon.

    • Sandy

      @ 5M a season? Is he worth that?

      • Harv

        No. Neither are a lot of guys people are begging for, worth what they got paid.

        • Spinorama

          He’ll get 30 goals with the sedins.

        • Sandy

          All these GMs are doing is driving up the prices for teams to sign their expiring contracts.

          • Sensnation

            This is how free agency works though. There were an overwhelming number of 2nd and 3rd line players available this year and they all are commanding in that 4-5.5 mil range. It’s the market, and most teams were short those roster positions.

      • Spinorama

        Yes

    • sprucesens

      darn, i was hoping for him. The guy routinely scores over 20 goals on a defensive team. Would have been a good fit on our team. I’m thinking the only UFA i’m interested in at all now is legwand, but that depends on whatever trade we end up making. Looks like we are going the youth route this year… If we are going to do that though, woulda been nice to part ways with neil, phillips, greening and condra, and just ice a totally new squad. Obviously too much turnover, and we’d need to have signed more UFA’s just to reach the floor, but that might have been a bit more interesting. We’ll see what this deal is soon enough

  • Kumar

    I will like Ottawa talking to Winnipeg Jets for Kane or Ladd.

    Adding a player like Kane is the right direction for Ottawa for ticket sales and possibly showing Ryan that we are building a team for the future.

    • ProfessorPower

      That’s why I think it will be a player close to his caliber, or at least a name all will recognize. Its for the team, but equally for the fans and ticket sales

      • sprucesens

        maybe little, or wheeler?

  • Spoons

    CONFESSIONS OF A NEGATIVE NANCY: I almost went ballistic on Tuesday, losing Spezza and getting some shitty return for him. Then, to make things worst, his little lap dog follows him to Dallas. We had a full 1st line that need to be filled. Now, a day later, I see the value in Chiasson. I also value Michalek’s loyalty (which took me by surprise). I think I understand Murray’s bigger picture now. It’s a different brand of hockey. He’s doing what he can under Scr-Euge’s (Scrooge… get it?) scrutinous eye. Murray’s trying to build a blue collar team, no high end talent. A bunch of hard working joe’s reminiscent of that “pesky” year. I can almost see it. I can see the Sens win being the underdog every game. I can see teams hating the Sens because of that. Murray needs to ad one more player and I think we’re set for October. Cowen, Greening and Condra should shake off their horrible year. Zibby, W46 and The Lehner may have a breakout year. I’m not expecting great things, but I’m expecting a passionate year from a new core of players.

    • Sensnation

      I would say Turris, Ryan and then possibly Puempel or Zibanejad have real potential to be 1st line talent. Karlsson is definitely a top D and Lehner could be that franchise goaltender. There’s still some real good talent, despite the immediate workman like team we will have.

    • Harv

      And, isn’t that what we all wanted last year? A team that could and would compete every night. I am excited about the team next year as well. Young guys with skill developing into a team. Murray has done an exceptional job.

      The negativity here is enough to drive you to drink. And, yesterday it did. I almost missed my 6:30 am tee time this morning.

    • Nikola Todorić

      What management wants is one thing… what players want is another. High end players want to win.

  • PraiseAlfie11

    Success this year will rely on the D having a MUCH better year than last.

    • Brock

      No way it can be any worse.

    • Spoons

      I say penalties. Lets be the 15th most/least penalized team and the Sens make the playoffs

      • Zelle

        Penalties for sure.

    • Sensnation

      100% Agreed, and I think it’s not only possible they will be better, but likely. The big question is how much better. Even just chemistry across 3 pairings could go a long way.

  • Pasky

    BM had interest in Hjalmarsson in the past, I wonder if we could target him instead of Leddy

    Sharp+Hjalmarsson
    Greening, Smith, Cowen, Prince, 2015 2nd

    Not sure if that would be enough or not, but it would clear 2.4M cap space from Chicago, and we wouldn’t have to do an extra trade to clear room in the back end. Plus this gives Weir a chance at a Top 4 spot, Ceci can start in the minors till an injury happens, and we would be sitting at 52.6M as our Salary Cap without signing Lehner.

    Sharp-Zibanejad-Ryan
    MacArthur-Turris-Stone
    Michalek-Lazar-Chiasson
    Hoffman-Pageau-Neil/Condra

    Hajlmarsson-Karlsson
    Methot-Weircioch
    Phillips-Gryba
    Borowiecki

    That looks like a playoff team, maybe upgrade down the middle though if Pageau or Lazar don’t pan out right away.

    • Max2166

      Sharp agent keeps on saying that he does not want to leave Chicago.

      • Sensnation

        A team could build a contender by convincing all these NTC and NMC holding vets to move in all together. Don’t blame them for not wanting to move though.

    • Spinorama

      Then compliance buyout condra and send gryba n 2015 3rd for berglund. 57million cap and 1 big eastern team lol

      • Sandy

        too late for compliance buyouts and Melnyk wouldn’t do it anyway.

        • Spinorama

          Thanks sandy. So we cant even regular buy him out?

          • Sandy

            Regular yes. But I’m not sure if there is a time frame to do that in.

    • Keregan

      so.. sexy line up….but without Cowen

  • A-Train

    What a crazy week to be away from the Internet.

    Now I’m traveling around the Sens media/blogs/twitter trying to find information about what went down.

    Looking for information about Alex Chiasson — where he fits, what he’ll bring. Finding next to nothing.

    Reading a lot about how this franchise sucks, why there’s no reason to be a fan anymore. How Bobby Ryan will never sign here, how there are much darker days ahead.

    Maybe I should leave again…for a few months this time.

    • Max2166

      You should not lose hope yet. Bryan Murray is working his magic.

    • Sensnation

      Wins cure all, they just aren’t available until October!

    • Harv

      If you have something positive to say, stick around. We need all the sunlight we can get. We are surrounded by doom and gloom.

    • Pasky

      The negativity is a little tiring right now I will agree. The fact is that there’s maybe 3-4 teams in the East that are locks, the rest are all up for grabs. It’s not like this team has to compete for a playoff spot in the West.

      • Sandy

        I would say 3 teams are locks. Boston, Tampa & Columbus.
        I think fans are getting anxious about the Ryan & MacArthur signing. If they don’t re-up it’s going to get a lot more uglier.
        If they do, all is right in Sens land again.

        • A-Train

          The players you mentioned are under contract for another 12 months. It’s going to be a long and unbearable wait if you feel like this Tuesday was the right time to resign them.

    • spezzerman

      the franchise is doomed. Everything sucks. we are worse than we were 3 years ago. there is no plan. There is no hope. There is no future. There is no Alfie. There is no Spezza. None of our prospects are any good anymore. everyone wants out. no one wants in.

      everyone sucks.

      • KJ

        Humpty Dumpty has fallen off the wall… :)

        • spezzerman

          All Melnyks horses and all Murray’s men, couldnt put humpty together again

    • zippy

      http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospects/alex_chiasson/

      http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospects/alex_guptill/

      http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospects/nicholas-paul/

      All big boys. Good prospects. Chiasson is likely NHL ready now.

      BM said he’s working on a trade which would likely necessitate one of our centers who was going to play wing to go back to C.

      Waiting patiently. There’s been talk of Sharp (CHI is over cap), and Evander Kane, and Cody Hodgson.

      Noone knows. But the roster tooks very good with any of them.

      • Jakester

        Chiasson played in the NHL this past year he better be NHL ready?

      • A-Train

        Thanks all. I was being a little sarcastic myself. I’ve always enjoyed participating in the conversation around the team. Right now I’m worried that’s about to become incredibly exhausting….

    • peetypuck

      How did you survive with no internet for that long? Impossible!

      • Keregan

        lol

      • Doc

        I call shenanigans.

    • KJ

      Yes. Twitter is brining down the Sens. We suck and all that garbage!

  • rhume55

    The more I think about it, the more I like the parts of this very young team Murray has assembled.

    The MacArthur/Turris/Ryan line was an ass kicker, and that was mostly with Ryan needing hernia surgery.

    I think Michalek got stronger as the season went on and I’m very big on Zibanejad and Stone as prospects. I also think Alex Chiasson in the real deal. The team should be able to put together two lines with those guys. Maybe something like:

    Michalek – Zibanejad – Ryan

    MacArthur – Turris – Chiasson/Stone

    And while the team is thin at center, with one key acquisition — someone like Berglund — I think we have the makings of a workable bottom six as well.

    I think the defense is capable of being better than we saw last season, while I’d like to see us pick up a stabilizing defense-first blue liner, I’m optimistic that Methot, Cowen, and Gryba have the ability to be better this year.

    I also think that the goal-tending is very good — despite last season.

    I know I’m sounding very optimistic, but I’m beginning to think this team could surprise and challenge for a playoff spot the way the 2012-13 Pesky Sens did.

    • Harv

      I am jumping on your bandwagon. I’ll stay there until they prove you wrong. But, I really think we are going to be pleasantly surprised.

      • zippy

        I agree. Listen I liked Spezza. Alot…But we’re moving on now.

        I think there’s potential here for everyone to be on the same page and be very competitive. Mac/Turris/Ryan leading the charge for how we play.

        Michalek/Zibby/Stone OR Chiasson following their lead.

        Could be alot of fun.

    • Jakester

      Fo sure!

    • http://batman-news.com Johnny Skills

      I do see a light at the end of the tunnel too. The players we are acquring seem to have the right mental makeup to compete. The Pesky sens year was the most proud I’ve been as a Sens fan. Hope we can get back to that typoe of character team.

  • Sensnation

    This is Murray’s team!

    The one he’s built, not inherited. Took 3 years but we are finally here.

    GO SENS GO!!!

  • sprucesens

    ek just posted this. now i’m excited “talking to a few sources tonight tomorrow could see Evander Kane, Joe Thornton, Patrick Marleau, Dustin Byfuglien, and LeCavalier on the move..”

    • Sensnation

      Murray is buying us a cup. Merry Christmas from uncle Eugene.

      On a serious note, yes, no, maybe, maybe, no. Would make for another very fun day in the NHL if they all move.

      • sprucesens

        agreed on your yes’s and no’s, will be interesting to see the cost though.

    • ProfessorPower

      Who is ek? If it’s Eklund then who cares.

  • Senswest

    GO SENS GO!!!! We will surprise lots of people!!!! Positive Sens Fan!!!!!

    • Sandy

      Alll depends on if Ryan and MacArthur are still in Ottawa.

      • Senswest

        True Sandy but i believe they will sign an extension!!!

        • Sandy

          I’m not holding my breath. In order for 3 of them to be signed, the budget will have to go up.

          • Senswest

            This is why we traded Spezza, Murray want to extent Ryan, Methot and MacArthur!!! Anderson won’t be back next year, it will be Robin’s job!!!!

      • Keregan

        They are the Sens…right now

  • Pasky

    One small negativity point, I hope Melnyk bumps up the internal cap next season. Looking at players that need to be resigned, most are due for a raise as long as they improve on their stats from last season. The list includes Ryan, MacArthur, Zibanejad, Stone, Chiasson & Methot. Others that at least get the same amount are Hoffman, Pageau, Borowiecki, Condra & Anderson. There’s no way we can keep all these guys without moving our Cap to maybe 60M next season.

    • Sensnation

      TV contracts will give him a good chunk to work with starting next year. If he pockets them all, we’ll be in Barbados with pitchforks. ;)

      • http://batman-news.com Johnny Skills

        I’m just hoping Melnyk is saving for a couple years and then will be ready to dole out some cash when the time is right. It’s my only hope.

    • spezzerman

      what happens with that group is really all that will tell us how committed they are to winning.

  • FistsofNeil25

    I have no idea what Benning is going in Vancouver. They’re a team who’s window to contend shut long ago and now would have been the perfect time for them to go full rebuild with the western conference looking more competitive than ever. Instead of sign guys like Miller and Vrbata, they should be dealing players like Edler, Bieksa and Hamhuis while they still have good value.

  • Sandy

    Eklund’s gems again..

    Tomorrow: Day of Trading? (E4)

    “talking to a few sources tonight tomorrow could see Evander Kane, Joe Thornton, Patrick Marleau, Dustin Byfuglien, and LeCavalier on the move..”

    • jasonontheoldsenschirp

      This Ekland guy is getting too ridiculous now.

      • Sandy

        I wasn’t referring to us. But Thornton & Marleau are going nowhere. And who in the hell is going to trade for Lecavalier. Murray wouldn’t be that stupid to do that, would he?

        • jasonontheoldsenschirp

          I don’t think so!

          • KJ

            No, not based on what we have seen so far.

  • laffin681021

    Wow Last time I looked on Senschirp there were 300 comments. Now there’s almost a thousand..

  • Jakester

    Nicholas Paul must be a pretty good prospect cuz he’s been invited to the world junior tryouts. Almost 6-4 the kid.

  • PraiseAlfie11

    Is it even worth getting a star player? I mean, if you’re going “young”, go all the way.

    What do we have now, 3 players over 30? Phillips, Neil, Anderson?

    Edit: ya, its three. Just looked it up. Lol

  • jasonontheoldsenschirp

    Alex Guptill says he wants to make the roster this year. Keep on eye on him.

    This team is going to be super young this season. Could be fun to watch.

    • Senswest

      I am probably one of the few here that is saying the same as you, they will be fun to watch!!! We have great coaching staff and kids who are going to push hard!!!
      PESKY SENS…..

      • Keregan

        WE have to get persky. Again.

        • Laurence Babchyuk

          Spezza not here = Automatic pesky upgrade

    • Keregan

      i wanna see those who fight for it

  • senskarlsson57

    Get rid of Phillips, Neil, and Greening. Trade for Berglund, somehow obtain a top 4 defenseman.

    Mac-Turris-Ryan
    Chiasson-Zibby-Michalek
    Stone-Berglund-Hoffman
    Condra-Smith-Pageau

    Karlsson-Methot
    Weircioch-Top4D
    Cowen-Gryba
    Boro

    Andy/Lehner

    Super young line-up that actually has great potential to make the playoffs.

    • Senswest

      I would keep Neil for two more years with such a young team!!!

    • Keregan

      they wont snob Phillips……unless kids really step up

  • jtf927

    i think murray should look into acquiring sutter via trade for condra or greening. i have always been a big fan of sutter and he would provide us with depth down the middle as well as a defensively responsible forward.

    http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Ryan-Wilson/The-Penguins-Should-Trade-Brandon-Sutter/177/61114

    • Mike

      Yeah Sutter would be a pretty good addition

    • Keregan

      imagine him and Karlsson…Karlsson

  • Mike

    If the center the Sens end up getting isn’t Berglund then who else do you think they can get also what would it take to get Kane out of Winnipeg?

    • Senswest

      Probably Stone + Cowen + 2nd it will cost for sure!!!

      • Spoons

        Kane is worth more

        • Senswest

          what would you offer for him???

          • Mike

            How about stone, cowen, 2nd and prince?

          • sprucesens

            that would work too, but we’d need a C prospect coming back to keep contracts count down

          • Senswest

            You are right, we just need another young center and we are going to be ok!!! Kane will cost too much!!!

          • Mike

            Not Berglund, I would prefer Hogdson

          • Senswest

            Yes Hogdson is good young center with good offensive skill!!!

          • Mike

            I would like to see Hogdson and one of either Sharp or Evander Kane this team really needs the offense to replace what they lost in Spezza

          • http://batman-news.com Johnny Skills

            Maybe we could have added Conacher in a deal to Buffalo, instead of letting him walk for free. just another sign of financial issues. I’m all for getting Hodgson. I always thought he was Captain material, but then injuries slowed hime down in Vancouver..he seems to be coming around so I’d love to pick that guy up.

          • Spoons

            Tim Murray might have a soft spot and over-evaluate a few guys he drafted with the Sens. Hodgson would be a great fit and might, just might not cost too much.

          • Mike

            Either would make sense for example Kane and Murray has a history in trading for players who have a had a falling out with their teams. I mean didn’t the Cyotes say Turris had a bad attitude and look how that turned out all Kane may need is a change of scenery and a team headed in a positive direction. Sharp would add leadership and knows what it takes to win which would help the prospects on this team and Ryan just may sign an extension

          • sprucesens

            haha, glad you agree, but its not what i meant, i’ll edit now. I meant like a C level prospect. Similar to us including Ludwig karlsson with spezza. Not someone who is ever going to make the league, but fills a void left by the prospects leaving. Having said that, the C level prospect could very well be a Center if that’s what we end up needing, lol

          • Spoons

            We don’t have the pieces for a valuable player like Kane, unless we trade away Lazar. He’s our highest blue chip asset. I wouldn’t do it.

          • Senswest

            They won’t touch Lazar for sure!!!

          • sprucesens

            being that kesler, spezza went for less than blue chip guys, i think we’d be ok with stone, prince and a pick maybe.

        • sprucesens

          that’s more than we gave up for spezza, if you ignore cowen’s bad year. i think that would get it done

        • Don Ciccio

          No he is not……Winnipeg wants to get rid of him because of his attitude problems. He is also a selfish player.

          • Spoons

            Then why would you want him with the Sens?

          • Don Ciccio

            I don’t

          • Mike

            Yeah but this team will need another high end forward in order to put the puck in the net and an insurance policy in case they lose Ryan

          • jtf927

            well said. the last thing we need is a player with a bad attitude poisoning our locker room.

        • sens88

          One of the pre-draft videos of the scouting team pretty much confirmed that the Sens are very wary of players with attitude problems or selfish tendencies. Dorian said something like “That’s the last thing we want to bring into our locker room”. If that’s true for a young kid of 18-19, I think they’d be even more wary to bring in 22 year old with these kinds of issues.

          • jtf927

            absolutely. throughout the draft murray and the scouting staff indicated they are big on intangibles such as character, work ethic, and a player wanting to play for the team and city.

      • ProfessorPower

        I think the deal will revolve around Wiercioch, he has a lot of puck moving skills that Winnipeg would find attractive with the potential loss of Buff either in a trade or from his move to forward. Having Ceci and Karlsson make him somewhat expendable to us. I can see Wiercioch + 2015 2nd + a depth roster player (forward) + another ready, or soon to be ready forward prospect of there choosing.

  • Laurence Babchyuk

    Ahhhh life without Spezza, life without a PPG centermen capable of doing some amazing highlights.

    Life without a slowdown on the rush causing a turn over in the zone entry or in the middle of the ice creating 2 on 1′s

    Life with heart, passion and PESKYNESS ! Life of excitement…. Life with a true captain that cares about winning the real successor to alfredson ( karlsson )

    This is gonna be a good season folks we just got pesky again and I couldn’t be more excited. Now if we could only get rid of the #4 we would improve immensely.

    We made the playoffs without spezza cause the whole team were playing a fast up rushing, hard forechecking 200 ft game. He comes back…. We are a .500 club .. He missed 5 games this season with Phillips … We had our 5 game winning streak.

    All we need to do is sign Ryan, MacArthur ( was the surprise of this season ) and we are dandy. I cant wait to see Chiasson but I’m sure it will help on the wing.

    • jtf927

      i agree completely. i am very excited about the upcoming season because we will have a younger, faster, bigger, and harder working team. offence is exciting, but i always appreciate a mobile and tough dcorp along with solid goaltending much more. i think we still need to find a 2nd line centre and a veteran dman to stabilize the backend. other than that, i actually can’t wait for the first 10 games to see the kind of identity this team forges for itself.

    • Jordan Cunning

      Every one seems to forget the point that we also made the playoffs without Karlsson that season. Dont worry people will remember it now that Spezza and people need a new whipping boy

      • Brutus5247

        KArlsson will need to get his defensive shit together for us to have any chance. As far as captain I’d say when he proves he can play 200 ft. consistently. How did the defensively irresponsible captain help us this year? This will happen when he shortens his shifts so he doesn’t have to coast or doesn’t have enough gas left to battle in the defensive zone. Make some changes to the leadership. NO MORE OLD BOYS CLUB!

    • bluebuyyoo

      Yeah. Spezza was the whole problem last year. Getting rid of him and his new buddy Hemsky was the best thing for this team alright. It’s a rather good estimate to say that they will likely score 120 – 140 points next year for Dallas, but the Sens don’t need that. They need pesky! Pesky!

      Pesky is the little dog that nips at your heels until you brush it away and ignore its yaps. Pesky is what you get when the owner won’t pay for top flight players. Does anyone actually think that the Kings or Hawks are pesky? It’s absolutely laughable to have a team that is pesky.

      Don’t get me wrong. I am a Sens fan. I have my tickets and I will continue to go to games. I love this team and will always support them. However, it is hard to stomach changes when they are caused by a cheap owner, especially when they hurt the team,

      • Laurence Babchyuk

        Pesky means, never quit…. Relentless in forecheck and hard to play against. Are the LA kings pesky ? Yes, is it cause of the talent that they have …. Maybe , but it’s more cause the players play the system that the coach implemented to them.

        Spezza was the only player that didn’t play the PMac system ( fast zone entry… Forecheck ) he was curling and slowing down in the neutral zone , trying to deke through the middle. The result, highlight plays when it works but 90% of the time was a turnover in the worst area of the ice.

        The worst was that the other team mates had to wait for him.

        Believe me last year and the year before, nobody wanted to play vs the sens in the playoffs. We almost best NYR and we destroyed the Habs.

        Spezza was playing good 2 years ago, he was starting to dump the puck and backcheck, then he got hurt last year and when he came back he was back to his old self. The Hemsky spezza was good but we still were a .500 club with spezza in the lineup.

        A team that commit to the system will ALWAYS trump individual talent.

        • Laurence Babchyuk

          Will spezza be a good player in Dallas ?
          Probably yes, if the have the defence for it. We had karlsson, the best puck moving Dmen in the league, what I kept seing this year was… Karlsson does the outlet pass to spezza to start the rush.on a rush everyone needs to move foreward to support the rush. Then spezza turns the puck cause of his deke through the middle cause the team just box him in the middle. That creates an odd man rush. Andy had a decent season folks it’s cause of the 9-10 or sometimes I counted up to 20 odd man rush in a game, that will kill any goalie !

          Since karlsson is so aggressive on the rush, you can’t have a centerman that lose the puck in the red zones area.

          Dallas might have the d system to support miss happ from the centermen.

          • bluebuyyoo

            Sigh! You win. Your expert analysis is more than I could ever even try to counter.

          • peetypuck

            Trading Spezza is addition by subtraction.

        • bluebuyyoo

          Okie dokie. Spezza was the problem last year.

      • spezzerman

        We got the pesky moniker with SPezza in the lineup and finishing fourth in league scoring…

        Our problem last year was anything but Spezza. To me it is because we couldnt sustain the seasons we had which were due to a lot of luck and out of this world goaltending. We were depending on a very young core to take us places they weren’t ready for yet. The same goes for this season.

        Anyone saying we are worse off than 3 years ago are over-reacting to last season’s step back in missing the playoffs. I really believe that this team could do no wrong for two seasons when everyone wrote us off and then realized its not easy to win in this league. You cannot sit back and expect to score in the last minute because we had been. you have to work at it.

        And I also believe that is what Murray is referring to when he talks about hard work and the dreaded C word, character. Not the need to sign the worst players in the league with Rings better players won for them.

        EDit – just realized I responded to the wrong poster

  • sprucesens

    curious question. can a player be drafted, not signed to an ELC yet, and traded? I don’t think it’s ever happened, but i’d be curious to see if its possible. This isn’t leading to anything, was just curious if anyone knows, or has seen it

    • Spoons

      It happened to Eric Lindros I believe. Maybe even Forsberg by default.

      • http://batman-news.com Johnny Skills

        Eric Lindros = Dany Heatley
        Oshawa Generals and Quebec Nordiques

  • PraiseAlfie11

    1001st!

  • sens88

    At this point, the only players I hope we ditch are Greening, Neil (we won’t), Phillips (we won’t), Condra, and maybe Boro. Our D and goaltending should rebound at least somewhat, so I think we’ll definitely be a bubble playoff team.

    I do think we need another forward so someone like Bergland or Brandon Sutter if the price isn’t too high would be ideal. If they can’t find someone that fits into whatever mentality Muarray/Mclean are trying to create, then they should just stick with our prospects and see what happens:

    MacA Turris Ryan
    Milo Zibby Chiasson
    Lazar Smith Stone
    Puemple/Prince/Guptill Pageau Hoffman

    (Condra, Neil, Greening… who cares)

    Methot Karlsson
    Weircioch Cowen
    Ceci Phillips/Gryba

    (Boro… still don’t know why they signed that weird deal that gives him a one way this year)

    Honestly, the expectations are so low for so many of us, that I’d rather the team fail with players we drafted since it’s clear a minimal amount of money is going to be spent this season.

    • jtf927

      i am hoping we can trade condra and greening for a 2nd line cman and then pickup a veteran dman for the backend. while i pride myself on being positive, i would be hard pressed to believe that we will make the playoffs with that current line-up. we would most likely be aiming for a top ten pick at best. however, if we can get a centre to shore up the offense and a dman to help buffer against the meltdown that was last year, we would have a much better chance at cracking the top 8. not saying it could not happen with this line-up…just more unlikely.

      • Harv

        OK, I will ask the question. In your new world, who is on the #1 PK?

        • boom

          Ok, I’ll jump in. I’m one of those, who apparently know nothing about hockey, who think Condra is expendable.

          (By the way, I’m not saying he is the only problem with the team – Chirp gave me a really hard time when he thought i was suggesting that)

          BUT for all of you experts who say “who’s going to kill penalties as well as Condra”…we finished 22nd overall on the PK last year. How good do you think he really is?

          Listen, I don’t care if he stays on the team. All I am saying is it is possible to be a good defensive player and still have some offensive flair.

          Condra is not THE problem with this team, but he is one example of an area where we could use improvement.
          I’ll let all of you who are much smarter than me shoot me down.

          • sens88

            Thank you. You want a 4th line that you at least think might score a goal every once in a while.

          • boom

            Would be nice, yeah…

          • zippy

            I admit I’m not a genious at hockey. If you need a guy like Condra to score goals, and we can’t afford just PK and vision, then dish him.

    • Harv

      Help me out here. Why are we ditching Boro who has hardly even played in the NHL?

      • zippy

        I have no idea. He’s gonna be a good player

        • Sandy

          He takes way too many penalties.

  • Brutus5247

    I don’t get the Condra hate except that the haters really don’t know hockey. You NEED defensive players that are good PK’ers, are quick, and have good defensive vision and awareness. Sure the guy is a mess when it comes to scoring(NEWSFLASH:this is not how all players are judged) but that is not his main job. He was a major part of the PESKY sens, why? One of the main reasons we were not pesky this year is gone.

    • Harv

      I agree. It is almost like a lot of people just link Condra with Greening. Condra brings a lot to the table in terms of puck possession and defensive play. He also is a smart hockey player. He is not on my list of “must go’s”.

      It is interesting to read the posts here and realize just how much people, who say they are Sens fans, have the knives out. Now that Spezza is gone they are picking new targets to drive out of town.

      • Laurence Babchyuk

        Condra is a player that every team needs. If he had some finishing skills… He could get 15-20 goals a year.

        That is why people don’t like him, cause they don’t know exactly how hockey work and only see the millions of chances that he miss. He sucks in offence… That is why we need a stronger top 6 so that you keep Condra out of offensive situations as much as possible.

        Keep Condra for the pk, 4th line . Get a top 6 foreward that will play the PMac system, then you’ll love Condra cause he won’t do something that isn’t his job.

        • zippy

          BINGO!!

          We were lucky with Alfie because he could do both. But those players don’t grow on trees.

          Condra is very good at anticipating, very good at PK, great bottom 6 forward.

          Keep him. I recall last year Condra playing with Spezza. Condra was like a fish out of water

          • Laurence Babchyuk

            Yes, that is why Alfie could play with spezza. Cause he was one of the best 200 foot winger in the league. Take Alfie away from spezza and he was a liability.

    • Zelle

      Condra gets hate because he misses open nets. If he could bury those people wouldn’t even talk about wanting to dump him. Personally I like him, he had few bad games last season.

  • Max2166

    Question: Who is Bobby Ryan agent and who is Clarke MacArthur agent? I hope Bryan Murray is talking to them.

    • SensChirp

      Believe Don Meehan represents both of them

      • Max2166

        Thank for the information Chirp. A great picture of Norah.

        • zippy

          Yeah that picture makes the no sleep worth it

      • Andrews theory

        Any thoughts on what kind of money both players would be looking for?

        If MM got 4, I’d think Mac will be looking for more and Ryan has to be looking for significantly more

        • EK65

          Give Bobby whatever he wants. We can’t lose him. But I’d say the fair deal is 6-6.5 mil. for 4 or 5 years.

          • FistsofNeil25

            I wouldn’t give him whatever he wants. I’d give him exactly the contract you’re suggesting. 4 or 5 years @ 6.5M. He’s not worth much more than that.

          • zippy

            If we can get Ryan for 5/6.5 do it.

        • FistsofNeil25

          Do you guys think we should actually commit to an extension for Mac without seeing if he can follow up on last years performance? He’s never had two strong seasons in a row.

          His career best was 62 points and he followed that up the next year with 43.

          If the Sens are going to give him a significant raise from the 3.25M he’s making now, they should probably wait and see if he can produce consistently.

          • whammer44

            I think they have no choice. Even with the leafs when given the opportunity he is a 20 goal scorer. He’s defensively responsible, great character and well liked by his teammates.

            If Vrbata’s 20 goals are worth $5M over 3 years then Mac is somewhere bw $4-5.

        • Sandy

          Murray has to give them what they want. He can’t afford to have both of them say no.

          That would even be more of a PR nightmare than they have now.

  • BigTrev42

    what is the max cap this year for all teams? and what’s Melnyk’s cap?

    • sens88

      69 million is the cap limit this year, I believe the Sens have set the internal budget at 55-56 million

  • my2sens

    So current Sens roster:

    RW = Chiasson, Condra, Neil, Ryan, Stone
    LW = Greening, Hoffman, Macarthur, Michalek
    C = Pageau, Smith, Turris, Zibanejad
    D = Borowiecki, Karlsson, Phillips, Ceci, Cowen, Wiercoch, Gryba, Methot
    G = Anderson, Lehner

    Canadian Players = 16/23
    US Players = 3/23
    Swedish Players = 3/23
    Czech Players = 1/23

    So first off, we have made Cherry happy – lol

    Second, is Condra going to be the odd man out again this year?

    Third, although we can build solid lines out of this, who on the blue line gets moved and who up front?

    Not a bad roster, but I think we still need to chase down a PP specialist…. does anyone know of any available?

    • http://@CARLOSwSPECR1 CARLOSwSPECR1

      Karlsson (olfcourse) and Ceci was a PP specialist in Junior.
      If you’re referring to a forward, Sharp (CHI) if we can trade for him. Maybe Byfuglien (WPG). All the other Power Play Point getters (’13-’14) are untouchables in their respective team or already signed. There’s really no one in the UFA market that stands out.

    • FistsofNeil25

      The top PP producing free agents were Jokinen and Vrbata with 21 points and they’re both gone. The next highest were Richards, Moulson and Legwand at 19 points. Legwand is still available and there have been rumors that the Sens may be interested. Then there’s Alfie with 18 points but we know he isn’t coming back.

      • whammer44

        I’d be happy with Legwand as it would give us 4 solid C’s. I’m not optimistic he will sign here unless we give too much term.

      • my2sens

        So if we go free agents…. then we still have too many players… hmm?

        Perhaps best to trade then? Or pickup Legwand and then also pickup a trade? Greening + 2 defencemen for

        • thepez

          Would love to see the Sens trade for Evander Kane and then pick up Del Zotto as a UFA.

          • whammer44

            Why do we want Del Zotto? We have enough D projects, don’t think we need to take on another one.

          • thepez

            He is exactly the type of player that Murray likes. Young with loads of talent but just needs some direction. Sounds exactly like a Kyle Turris from a couple of years ago. You can get him cheap and is an absolutely low risk high reward type of signing. Unless of course someone offers him crazy money

          • whammer44

            Two teams already have now passed on him. Difference with Turris was he wasn’t given the opportunity in Phoenix.

            I wouldn’t be against having him necessarily but we would have to move a couple of D out somewhere and we still need an established 2-3.

          • thepez

            In my books he is still tempting. In listening to the “experts” they say he needs to keep the game simple. Maybe something will click, guys mature at different times. Same can be said for Cowen. These guys are young and need time.

          • Don Ciccio

            No thanks to either player……Wiercioch is a better player than Del Zotto…..Doesn’t it worry you that Del Zotto has been has changed teams twice in the last 6 months?

      • Sandy

        Depends on how many teams are in on Legwand and who they are will determine if the Sens get him.

  • Dirk-Diggler

    So currently we are the lowest spending team in the NHL in actual dollars and soon we will be the lowest in cap as well! That’s embarassing…

    • EK65

      Still need to sign Lehner

      • SensChirp

        Will be taking on salary in a trade as well. Still expect them to come in at 55-56 mil

        • MethotToMyMadness

          Yup, somewhere in that range for sure.

          • SensChirp

            And if they aren’t, that’s when I start reading and signing some of those petitions that have been floating around haha

          • EK65

            Don’t! It’s all a master plan to get McDavid! I’d put up with a god awful season if we can get him! haha

          • whammer44

            Even finishing last only gives you about a 25% chance of getting #1 overall…odds are still stacked against getting McDavid.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Good thing Eichel and Hanifin have franchise player written all over them as well.

          • whammer44

            True. Just commenting on McDavid specifically.

          • Sandy

            Knowing the luck the Sens have they would lose the first overall, even if they finish last.

          • esk

            well the pens did tank to get lemieux..that documentary is on tsn ALL the time.

        • Dirk-Diggler

          Ok, so Lehner signs around $2M but we still have 8 D and one needs to go (hopefully not Weir). But let’s suppose they do the smart thing and send down Ceci to let him dominate the AHL. That’s +1M and brings us JUST over the floor.

          Does anyone actually think Murray has a trade up his sleeve that will be a win for us? I’m all for trading for a youg player that needs a chance of scenery like E Kane or Marchand.

    • FistsofNeil25

      I doubt Murray is done yet. I would actually be kind of surprised if we spent below 55M on payroll this year. Lehner will probably be around 2M and then we’ll have another signing or trade that will bring us up around 55M hopefully.

      Either way it is rather sad.

  • AutoTurris

    Acquiring Hodgson from BUF would allow us to have a 1A/1B line system, with MM9/ Hodgson/ BR6 for one and Griz/ Turry / Stoner on the second. All the while we need to focus on obtaining a top pairing defenseman

    • MethotToMyMadness

      I really like the idea of Hodgson in Ottawa, he’s a great player. Would be a very good 1/2 with Turris. The only problem is what it would cost to land him. Murray is doing a good job rebuilding in Buffalo, hard to see him considering trades on his #1 C, but then again, he acquired him taking the job, he didn’t bring him in himself, so maybe he is willing to wheel and deal.

      • Sandy

        Didn’t Buff trade Zack Kassian for Hodgson? Not sure what else was included.

    • whammer44

      Is this just a personal want? I’m not sure why Buff would be looking to move him.

    • sbs138

      I thought BM liked Turris and Mika as our top 2 centres? didn’t he say that? they want Mika to get more ice time.

  • WaitingSince92

    Forget the mystery deal – no news is bad news when we’re talking about Bobby Ryan. If he and the franchise were on the same page, I can only imagine a deal would have been done at the ifrst possible opportunity. Hopefully they can bridge the gap.

    • FistsofNeil25

      Maybe the mystery trade is what is holding up contract extensions. It’s been said that Bobby needs to see signs from the organization that we’re headed in the right direction. If this trade brings in a good top six forward then it may encourage Bobby to sign.

      If you were him, would you sign a contract extension with how the team looks right now? I wouldn’t. He probably wants to see the finished product first so he can have a good idea of Murray’s plan and what direction we’re heading in.

      • WaitingSince92

        Definitely, I would not. That’s what I mean. I get the feeling he wants to be in town, but he probably sees all the same things as Alfie and Spezza, and he’ll be past his prime when our young core is entering their respective primes.

        • FistsofNeil25

          That’s why I think the Sens should be trading him instead of signing him. When they acquired him last summer they never thought they would be standing where they are today. They brought him in because they thought we’d be a strong team in the east and they hoped he would gel with Spezza and give us a dynamic offensive duo.

          Now we’ve traded Spezza and we’ve taken a step back in our progression. It looks like the rebuild has been prolonged a couple years and like you said, by the time the young core of this team are in the prime years of their careers, Bobby will be past his.

          If I were Murray I’d be calling up Philly to see if we can get Schenn or Couturier for him and forget signing Ryan all together.

          • Tooks

            This is a drastic step, trade away Ryan and nobody will attend the games, its already scarce, cant see them doing that but it may come to it. Sad times…

          • FistsofNeil25

            and if he doesn’t want to sign an extension? Let him walk away for nothing next summer?

            I don’t think it’s a drastic step. Unless Murray does something to improve this team right now then we’re going to completely miss Bobby’s prime by the time the rest of the team is ready to hit the next level. I’d rather have a guy like Schenn or Couturier (for example) in 4 or 5 years from now than Bobby.

        • John Hillier

          Don’t know why everyone thinks that they had to sign July 1st or else that must mean they all want to leave. BM says he has sent out some offers, they will get back to him. I doubt that meant there was not going to be any negotiations on them. As along as they are talking I do not think there is room for panic. Hell if it takes till Xmas to sign them I do not care. I am sure if the indications show that they were not interested in signing they would be shipped out like Spezza.

      • Sandy

        He can always ask to be traded.

    • A-Train

      Leafs were in the same situation with Kessel and Phaneuf last year. Kessel signed in camp, the day before the season started. Phaneuf signed during the season.

      I know we’re a jittery fanbase right now, but there’s really no need to open the vault for Bobby Ryan right now. Let the July 1 madness die down. Let him show up for camp in great shape and ready to have a career year. Talk to him then.

      • thepez

        If you remember Heatley was extended at the start of the 2007-08 season. As long as they are talking it should be ok. However if Bobby says he wants out then trade him now.

    • laffin681021

      Isn’t the saying no news is good news? Regardless I have faith Ryan will sign. We’re 3 days into free agency not everything gets done right away.

      • WaitingSince92

        I’m aware of the saying….

        ugh

  • MethotToMyMadness

    I’m going to come right out and say it, I wasn’t happy that Grabo went to the NYI, I saw him as a good fit, but I’m upset that Ottawa didn’t land Vrbata. Not that we needed the winger, but I really thought he’d be a great addition in Ottawa. Obviously Vancouver thought the same thing. I don’t know what Murray has up his sleeve, I just hope it’s significant.

    • whammer44

      Unfortunately right now the only thing that seems to be up his sleeve is his arm.

      I’m guessing that the negative vibe around this team is making an impact on the UFA’s wanting to sign here…

    • http://@CARLOSwSPECR1 CARLOSwSPECR1

      They went to a team that offered more money (NYI overpaid), or thought the team had a better chance (With Miller signing, Vancouvers’ roster looks a lot more attractive than ours). Plus there’s no way Murray was going to offer Vrbata $5 mil/year.

      • MethotToMyMadness

        NYI will be very good this year.

        • Pugnacious Serf

          They still have no defence. They’ll wish they had the 2015 1st round pick.

    • WaitingSince92

      I think Vrbata for $5m is the exact type of contract Murray wants to avoid.

      • FistsofNeil25

        For two years thought it isn’t bad. Vrbata @ 2 years 10M is better than Michalek @ 3 years 12M.

        • MethotToMyMadness

          That is something I agree with. However, Vrbata obviously doesn’t want to be in Ottawa, while Michalek does, so you have to appreciate that.

          • FistsofNeil25

            I definitely do appreciate that. There’s some value in over paying a loyal hard working pro like Michalek I guess. There’s just obviously a fair amount of risk there as well because of injuries and declining play.

          • MethotToMyMadness

            Yeah his injury history has always scared me. I have been on the trade Michalek bus for awhile now. At least we have that option if he comes out this season and lights it up. Fingers crossed.

          • whammer44

            So true. Its somewhat of a relief to hear someone turn down more money to stay in Ottawa.

        • sbs138

          I disagree, they’ve put up similar career numbers but Milo is bigger, younger, stronger and faster. living in Calgary, I’ve watched lots of Flames/Coyotes games and Vrbata over the years. I’ll take Milo at 4 please.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Vrbata has out produced Michalek in each of the last 5 seasons and he doesn’t have an significant injury history.

          • sbs138

            Career pts/game
            Vrbata = .586
            Milo = .624 (pretty nice while having a history of being injured)

            Again, I’ll take Milo. but yes, Vrbata doesn’t have a significant injury history, he still has a length history of injuries. Milo seems to have history of knee related injuries due to a torn ligament, in what would’ve been his rookie year, that have seemed to keep nagging him. but he did play82 last year and still put up 40 points in a bad year.

        • RUSH RLZ

          Not just that but I think people need to get accustomed to the shifting economics here. Cap goes up, these salaries are too. Love it or loathe it we do have to compete with 29 other teams to pony up and pay players.

    • Andrews theory

      I was really keen on Grabo as well but I can understand not wanting to give him the term and money NYI gave.
      If we end up as a lottery team this year, I’d prefer that than finishing 9th or 10th.

    • John Hillier

      The difference is Vancouver still thinks it is a contender in the West. They will be holding on to this delusion until the Sedins get up and retire in a few years. Then it will be to late and they will have to start all over again. Even with these signings I doubt they will be any more then a 7, 8 or 9th seed in the west at best.

      • whammer44

        Thats definitely the decision Van has to make. Keep pretending for the cup or unload the Sedins and embrace a couple of years at the bottom. Obviously with the signings they have made they think they will still compete…they probably could in the east but not so much where they are.

      • Sandy

        No way Vanc makes the playoffs in the West with the way the contending teams stocked up.

  • thepez

    I just took a look at the free agent signings. Quite honestly the only player that I believe was worth signing was Dominic Moore at a salary of $1.5per for 2 years. What I can’t understand is that this may be considered one of the worst free agent years ever, however the owners once again blow their brains out on 3rd and 4th liners at crazy dollars.
    As well I keep reading on here that Tim Murray is doing a great job in Buffalo. What has he done? He signed an old player in Gionta, a 4-5 dmen in Gorges and Meszaros and overpaid for Matt Moulson. I guess I just don’t see it. The future may look bright for the Sabres due to the draft picks they have but it’s going to take a while.

    • whammer44

      Agree with the Tim Murray take. Would have thought they would have laid low going into next years draft and use all those picks by finishing as low as possible. They might still, but adding those guys makes them more competitive…not sure I get it.

      • FistsofNeil25

        They had to get to the cap floor. They added some competitive hard working vets but they didn’t go out and bring in any game breakers.

    • Pugnacious Serf

      The Sabres actually have two really solid lines as to last year where they had none. They have solid defense supplemented by talented youth in Ristolanainen and Zadorov on the blue line. Our teams are very similar but we have a huge edge in the net. Florida, Tampa Bay and Buffalo all got better where Toronto and Ottawa regressed.

      • thepez

        If I remember correctly, many of us on here had the Sens winning the Atlantic Division or finishing high in the standings last year in July and look what happened. Let’s try and figure out if the regressed or not after the season is actually played

        • Pugnacious Serf

          You had them winning because many fans have unrealistic expectations, team over achieved on a strike shortened season. And as far as regressing, is losing a player like Spezza for guys that are 2 – 4 years away from playing on the 2 and 3 line a progressive action? This team is a couple years away from making any kind of serious push into the playoffs.

        • Tooks

          Huh? you saying they did or didnt regress last year? Or do you mean we wait and see for this year? Why would it be any different from last year? We didnt add any top line talent and got rid of our better players…

    • Sandy

      The Sabres were 20M below the cap floor. They had to add players and money.

  • spezzerman

    Whoever is wearing the Johnny Cash t-shirt is my new favourite prospect. (a few pics down the page)

    http://senators.nhl.com/club/blogpost.htm?id=30433

    • zippy

      That’s very cool. No idea who that is

      • Brutus5247

        Might be the caterer?

    • EK65

      I believe its Garrett Thompson

      • EK65

        Or Rob Baillargeon

    • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

      I am going to go out on a limb and predict that it is one of our new guys from the trade that everyone hates!

    • RUSH RLZ

      Rutkowski? Perron? Alex Vazzano?

  • IcySurfas

    Lets hope that the Philly Flyers are absolutely appalled with Claude Giroux’s recent behavior and insist on trading him.

    He can grab mine, yours, his, the players, murrays, our wives, ANYONES ass! Just come play for Ottawa.

  • EK65

    Dreger: Sens and Sabres are in on Legwand

    I like it. A good veteran C to help fill a void and give some flexibility

    • Sandy

      Sabres can outbid the Sens on Legwand. But can the Sens offer him more ice time?

    • EK65

      Plus, he has averaged 45-50 pts over the past 5 years (excluding the shortened lockout season)

    • Sandy

      According to Dreger, the Leafs also made an offer on Legwand. Don’t like the Sens chances against multiple teams.

  • Sandy

    So who’s the PK guys right now?
    Condra, Michalek, Smith, Turris, MacArthur, Ryan.
    Maybe they try to sell Ryan on a bigger role now that Spezza’s gone. Same with MacA.

    • Don Ciccio

      I would add Pageau, Stone and Greening to that list as well.

      • Shibal

        Zibanejad is another candidate: He was doing pk duties near the end of the season because Stone and Hoffman took his pp duties.

        • Don Ciccio

          Yup, forgot about Zibanejad and Lazar might be a candidate if he makes the team……We have a lot of two way players now and I think that Condra and Greening are on their way out.

          • zippy

            God I hope so. I like Condra’s defensive abilities but I think we need more overall great players.

    • cups

      may be easier to list those who won’t be PKing… karl, wier, ryan?, stone?

    • Zelle

      I’d keep Ryan off the PK just because he’s more valuable on the PP or reg and I’d rather he not be dead tired by the third period.

  • Sandy

    Does this indicate he is leaning towards staying?

    Bobby RyanVerified account‏@b_ryan9 25m

    @CFL @REDBLACKS I’ll be watching from Idaho! Can’t wait to see them live!

    • Tooks

      Just promotion Sandy.

    • spezzerman

      it indicates he is leaning towards watching the game tonight. ;)

      • Sandy

        No, he said he can’t wait to see them live.

        • spezzerman

          I’m just teasing you.

    • peetypuck

      We have a chance to keep him as long as Eugene stays out of the contract negotiations and doesn’t send him any e-mails.

      • Pugnacious Serf

        e-mails, you mean love letters

        • Zelle

          I call them hate-mail. At least that’s how it went at one of my jobs when we got nasty emails in the morning about last night’s cleanup job.

    • Harv

      Of course he is staying. He loves Ottawa, loves Eugene and Bryan. Seriously, I think he knows he will be a leader on this team and with Spezza gone the new guys are in control.

      He signs. 5 years minimum.

  • sens88

    What are people’s thoughts on Legwand?

    Dreger “word on the street is that Ottawa is interested and perhaps the Sabres are interested in Legwand as well”

    Do we want him? Don’t know much about him. Doesn’t seem like he did much in Detroit last year.

    • Tooks

      Well he was a pretty productive 2C in a defensive role for Nashville and then joined and only played 21 games for Detroit. I would say he would be a decent, reliable 2C for us, good vet to help shelter Zib for 1-2 years.

    • Don Ciccio

      Not interested in Legwand unless Z. Smith is leaving…..Didn’t that Cup 06 guy on Yost’s blog say last night that Ottawa was close to signing Legwand.

    • Harv

      I am not interested. I would rather give one of our guys the chance. We have Turris, Z’Bad and Smith, all NHL players. We have a number of guys who may be a fourth line center – or 3rd.

  • Tooks

    By reading the comments, not all, damn, you guys went nuts. I can see the Spezza trade was not very good. I was at the lake with very minimal wi-fi, so got word of the trade but couldnt post or do much.

    I cant say I am sad or disappointed, I saw it coming, Murray and all of his posturing, refusing offers that probably were better than this at the time but he wanted to wait and see if he could get better. Backfired…I guess he wasnt lying when he said he wont win this trade…

    • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

      I honestly prefer this offer over really any of the realistic confirmed or even rumored returns.

      • Pugnacious Serf

        Definitely a good deal moving forward for the franchise. Hard to replace Spezza’s talent.

        • spezzerman

          impossible, actually.

          • Brutus5247

            But very easy to replace his defensive play and this will help a lot!

          • spezzerman

            yes I agree, defensive play is easy to replace. PPG #1 C’s are not. We are fine moving forward but quit pretending Spezza was the problem. He wasn’t.

          • Tooks

            ^this^

        • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

          I do think the plan is in place….I sort of think it has been revamped from the original plan(that I still never was able to figure out). But now I believe what Murray is trying to do is come up with 4 legitimate lines the top 2 will be about equal and the bottom two will be about equal as well and hopefully pretty close to the top two.

          There will be scoring by committee, all lines won’t be fun to play against. We won’t be necessarily winning games by 4 goals, but we will be making other teams hurt so we will win the 3-2, 2-1, OT games because the teams are just exhausted.

    • zippy

      Refusing offers that “probably” were better? Spezza said no to one.

      He was upfront is his press release about everything. BM said straight up…trade him now or get nothing.

      So what’s your beef?

  • Phil.

    Anyone know of good resources to learn more about advanced stats in hockey. I’m interested in details of what they are, what they mean, how to calculate them.

  • Brutus5247

    Why would Ryan not want a trade?
    Team is tooling up- not really
    Owner is a great guy- not really
    Owner has deep pockets- NO
    Taxes(49% IT and 13% HST) are good in Ontario=NOT. I think this could leave a million in the drink for high end guys. This is a factor. Messi negotiated a (net 23M Euro) contract with Barcelona so obviously these guys look at taxes when they have the choice(UFA).
    Leadership on ice is strong- not really.
    Have a history of being a top team- No
    Team is young- YES
    Should get better-YES

    I think it is a tough place to draw players.

    • zippy

      Chance to play with a Norris Trophy winner — YES
      Chance to play in a market that gives a sh*t –YES
      Chance to play for a Jack Adams winning coach –YES
      Chance to play for a GM that treats you well and an organization that gives you respect — YES
      Help be the leader on a young team — YES
      Chance to manipulate an arsehole like Garrioch whenever you like — YES

      • Brutus5247

        Who cares if you re playing with a Norris trophy winner?
        Who wants to be harassed by media and fans?
        How long will the coach be here?

        ITS MONEY and WINNING!

        • Sandy

          The coach should not be fired if they have an offseason because the not enough quality players.
          If, however, he is fired, in comes Luke Richardson.

          • zippy

            Luke has successfully coached many of our players.

            He might be the successor if the players choose him (through their play)

        • zippy

          Well given the choice of Norris or not? The choice is obvious.

          I would prefer to be a cap team as well, but obviously that ain’t happening. Melnyk prefers to spend wisely.

          We’ll see where this goes.

    • Phil.

      Teams can only afford a few top players anyways. If he wants to get top money and term he’s not signing with the current top teams that are all near the cap. Also he’s probably signing a 7-8 year contract. The top teams will change over that time. As a completely random example, the Sens were in the Cup finals 7 years ago, CHI and LA were 13th and 14th in the West that year…

      • zippy

        Good point.

    • Harv

      Good post. Time to shut down the Senators, turn the lights out on CTC and call it a day. City stinks, Canada stinks, owner is a bozo, management doesn’t have a clue and the team has not one worthwhile player.

      Does that about sum up your view?

      • Tooks

        Now that you put it that way, its pretty disheartening…The truth hurts.

    • PraiseAlfie11

      Look at the roster. To say the sens aren’t tooling up is a farce.

      3 players over 30. Chicago, pitts, bos, lak all have 6,7 or more.

    • Zelle

      If I was making millions I really wouldn’t be worried about taxes… In fact I’m nowhere close to millions and I don’t mind paying the taxes I do in Ontario. Of course I vote to ensure I have a say in how they are being spent.

      Seriously for these guys to be so good at hockey it needs to be a passion not a job. I honestly believe in the end most guys will want to play for the guys around them including the coach, players, and staff. Some probably want to play for huge fan bases too. Saying no player wants in on Ottawa because of taxes, the cold weather, and because it’s not an original six team, to me, is ridiculous.

      Enough already. Ottawa is a great city. There are plenty of passionate fans. They make enough money not to have to worry about cold or hot weather. The Senators have a great group of guys with very few egos and lots of heart.

  • FistsofNeil25

    Good ole’ Eklund

    Lecavalier still in play. Ottawa and Nashville (E3) “really comes down to how much money flyers willing to be responsible for moving forward”

    • Sandy

      God no.

      • zippy

        Third line C? If Philly took some salary back…He’s getting older, but he’s also won the cup.

    • Pat D

      34 years old…. I don’t see the point! Give us Sean Couturier for Greening, 3rd Rounder

    • Harv

      Time to deflate the tires in the Lecavalier bandwagon. We just traded a one way 31 year old. Now we want an over the hill 34 year old?

      • FistsofNeil25

        There’s no way we’re actually interested… I hope.

        • spezzerman

          according to that retweet by Chirp we are interested if they retain salary and give us something good to take him off their hands. Depending on how much salary and what that something good is…

          of course, 4 more years of Vinny it has to be extremely good

          • Pasky

            Wonder what piece we would give away if we take him, and if Legwand is signed with us then I’m assuming Smith might be going back to them.

          • spezzerman

            Cant be much, I’d assume. Depending of course on this “other” piece to make it worth our while and how much salary is retained. If it looks nice, I’d almost rather this than sign legwand

          • Harv

            I would give them Greening and not a penny more. But, I would want a top 6 along with Vinnie.

          • Sandy

            If they are not prepared to offer an little extra for the Sens to take that cap hit, then they take a 6th round pick in 2015 only in a trade.

  • Sandy
    • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

      I have gained a TONNE of respect for Michalek after this.

      • spezzerman

        definitely reassuring to know someone left money on the table to stay in Ottawa.

      • Harv

        I have too. I am giving him a chance next year to show us what he has. But, we have a player with team spirit and a love of Ottawa. That will be valuable with all the young guys playing.

        Welcome back Milan.

  • Pasky

    Quick shout out to Eugenie Bouchard being the first Canadian singles tennis player to make a Grand Slam Final. Good luck on Saturday!

    • zippy

      Go Eugenie!!!! She just won in 2 straight. Go Canada!!!!

  • Harv

    Genie into the Wimbledon final and my all time favourite Chrisie predicts a Bouchard victory in the final. If Bouchard wins Saturday it will be as big as Weir’s win at the Masters. 20 years old and she could show a lot of the hotdogs out there how to compete and how to win with grace, style and sports(wo)manship.

    Proud she is representing Canada.

    • Garrioch’s reliable source

      She’ll be doing a “start of the game puck drop” in every Canadian
      NHL arena this winter

      I’ll be looking for tennis gold medal game tickets at the next Olympics

      • KingKarlsson84 – RSU is pathet

        Nice handle, that’s my fav on here so far haha

      • zippy

        Yes….witty handle.

    • FistsofNeil25

      Now it’s Milos’ turn.

      • Harv

        Canadian “double-double” over the weekend. Wouldn’t that be awesome?

        Someone here would probably see the “downside”.

    • Zelle

      I don’t follow Tennis but her story is pretty amazing. Extremely happy for her and I really hope she takes the finals.

  • esk

    team 1200 from a source: zero chance sens are interested in vinny even if philly retains salary and gives us something back