Report- Hemsky Will Likely Test Free Agency

SensChirp June 3, 2014 554
Report- Hemsky Will Likely Test Free Agency

There’s always change expected from one year to the next but not many team’s in the National Hockey League are at risk of losing their entire top line.

That is the situation facing the Ottawa Senators this summer with Jason Spezza on the trade block and both Milan Michalek and Ales Hemsky poised to test the open market.  Based on everything we are hearing right now, it certainly sounds like all three of those guys will have a new home when the puck drops in October.

According to a report from Bruce Garrioch of the Ottawa Sun, talks between the Senators and Ales Hemsky have broken off and at this point, it seems like Hemsky is intent on testing free agency.  Garrioch suggests that Hemsky is looking for something in the $5.5 mil a season range and that the Sens just aren’t willing to go that high.  For a budget conscious team like Ottawa, that just isn’t the kind of money they are willing to commit.

Hemsky looked great during his brief audition in Ottawa but you could always sort of tell this was a temporary stop for him.  He had terrific chemistry with Jason Spezza but with Spezza likely on the way out, the reasons for Hemsky to stick around started to dwindle pretty quickly.

We’ll always have this goal, I guess.

  • Deadly

    Can’t really miss something you never really had.It was great to watch for the brief time he was here.

  • WaitingSince92

    Who wants to play for the Sens? We will pay you mostly real money… mostly.

  • Garrioch’s reliable source

    this is not a surprise

  • FistsofNeil25

    $5 500 000 is too much for Hemsky anyway, internal budget team or not.

    • TookieIs100PercentRight

      It’s pretty much what he’s making now and it’s not unreasonable. Your top guys will make 7-10 schmil, your second to third lines will make 4-6 mil and so on. Cap’s going up, gotta pay to play.
      TOOKS100% OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • FistsofNeil25

    Soooooo how are we actually going to reach the salary cap floor next season?

    • Sandy

      That’s a really good question..

  • SlickRick

    Good move, he’s about due for 30 games on the IR…not worth 5.5 unless you are the Leafs.

  • Jakester

    Bye bye 2nd line!

  • Zelle

    No doubt a highly skilled player. To me the price seems a bit steep for a non contending team short term. If we were expected to make a deep run next year or he was committed to Ottawa then I could see that price but otherwise I think the salary is better spent elsewhere. RW is actually one spot the Sens aren’t hurting.

  • Sandy

    That’s why UFAs will avoid Ottawa like the plague. They will not pay competitive money. Not saying that Hemsky is worth over 5.5M.. because he is not.
    But if fans think the Sens have a shot at players like Stastny — guess again. They won’t pay the 7M+ to get them.
    This team may end up going into next season with 3 experienced top 6 forwards. That’s not good enough to be competitive in the Eastern conference next season. If Murray doesn’t fix the issues on D.. it’s going to be the bottom of the East for the Sens next year.
    I hope most Sens fans don’t have any expectations for next season. They will be truly disappointed.
    I wonder what it’s like to have an Owner who can afford to ice a competitive team.

    • FistsofNeil25

      Well.. at least there’s a consolation prize for being a terrible hockey team next year. I’ll take McDavid or Eichel.

      • Matthew Rutldge-Taylor

        Yup. I think next year is a great time to try a youthful line-up and see what happens. On one extreme Lehner, Lazar and Ceci might kick-ass, the team’s overall corsi goes up (with the supposed top line of Michalek, Spezza and Hemsky gone), and the Sens have unlikely season like Colorado had last year. On the other extreme Lehner’s GAA is close to 3.00, the team struggles in every area, and the Sens get a top 3-4 pick next year.

    • KJ

      we have one. but he got burned. for him its lesson learned until someone can convince him you can’t build within and be competitive. But eventually these players you groom cheaply will want to get paid as well. its a viscous circle.

    • Skeleton

      Didn’t work out well for MacArthur did it?

  • aegiszx

    Not even worried… That entire line can be replaced easily.

    I really think ZIbby is going to do 60-70 pts this year, Bobby fully healthy can hit 80 pts, Turris + Mac take their chemistry to the next level to top 80 pts each, Karl should have no problem with 70+ pts again.

    The plus to losing that line is LESS goals against from Spezza, and no more of NO CHECK MICHALEK.

    • wild bill

      Bobby sign??? What top players want to play on a cheap team?

      • Sandy

        Answer — not too many…

      • Jakester

        He’ll be happy to get his money, and the Sens will be a playoff team. Lots of good young players. A few good trades this summer will clear out the JUNK and bring in some winners. Enough with the losers.

        • FistsofNeil25

          No one is going to take the junk players you speak of off our team. We’re stuck with them!

          • sprucesens

            agreed, while our top 6 might look ok with whatever trade we get from spezza, and our bingo grads, the bottom 6 still contains, greening, conrda, neil, smith, x,x. Not sure who the x’s will be, but any way you line up those 4 and its a losing battle. Smith will have the only trade value out of any of them, and its not big value. Neil maybe as a rental might get you a 3rd or 4th round pick at deadline. The other 2 might not even get you a late pick, just conisiderations. Which, by the way, i’m ok with. But we do have to make the floor somehow

    • Sandy

      We don’t know if Zibby is ready, on a consistent basis, to be a 2nd line centre.
      That’s the issue. Can these young players play up a level in the NHL and be able to compete.

    • jtf927

      agreed. we will have far less goals against.

      • Jakester

        Sens will be fine. Get a couple of good young forwards and we’ll be more exciting to watch. Our pp will be better, less stupid passes all over the place! Better execution, Sens will be fine!

      • aegiszx

        Exactly. Honestly, if you look closely at the games we did lose, (the 1 goal games that were a result of a turn over IN FRONT OF OUR OWN F—ING NET)… We let a lot of points get away from teams that had no business winning (Montreal game, Leafs games)… Minimize the useless penalties, and learn to clear the puck.. and voila, let the forwards + Karl do their thing… and we’re easily a middle of the pack team.

        • Zelle

          Pretty much this: “Minimize the useless penalties, and learn to clear the puck…”

      • Miguel

        agreed instead of losing 6-4 we lose 2-0… cant wait to pay $200 to watch us get 15 shots on net

    • FistsofNeil25

      Bobby 80+?
      Turris and Mac 80+?
      Zibanejad 60-70?

      I want some of what you’re smoking buddy. If we have 5 players on the roster (Turris, Ryan, Mac, ZBad and Karl) with 70+ points we’ll finish at top the eastern conference and probably top 3 or 5 in the NHL.

      I hope you’re just being sarcastic because that is some funny shit man.

      • aegiszx

        No joking about it… I expect a lot more from Turris and Ryan next year. They were 2nd and 3rd overall. Anything less than elite and they are busts. They were taken that high for a reason, they have ELITE written all over them. Its up to them to show it now. Bobby had a good few years to grow already, and Turris cant stay a 50-60 pt guy forever… or rather he better not.

        Same with Zibby. If he pans out to be just a 3rd line C, he’s as big of a BUST as Jared “The Pylon” Cowen (who never should have been taken in the first round)!

        • FistsofNeil25

          That’s ridiculous. Just because you’re draft high doesn’t mean you’re automatically going to become an elite player lol I love Turris but there’s nothing elite about him or Ryan, just very good players. Same goes for Zibanejad.

          You do realize there were only 7 players in the entire NHL this year that had 80+ points, and you think all three of Turris, Mac and Bobby will do it next year? Or that they’re even capable?

          That’s some crazy stuff man. Has there been a single team in the last decade with 70+ points like you think the Sens can be next season?

          C’mon maaaaaaaaan! There’s nothing wrong with believing in our players but your predication are wild!

        • Doc

          Well done, sir.

          I’ll just sit here and watch.

          • WaitingSince92

            I think his projections, while not necessarily reasonable, as definitely possible. It’s assuming a best-case scenario for each of those players.

        • WaitingSince92

          Seems like a lot of fans gave up on Cowen a long time ago. Almost idiotic, when you think about it. Nobody complained about Cowen when he started with the Sens – nobody. We all thought he’d grow. He had an awful year instead and it’s like our fanbase only has short-term memory.

          It’s smarter from an asset management perspective to give Cowen another chance rather than peddle him at his lowest possible value.

          It’s a fucking no-brainer. Sorry, this just gets my ire up!

          • Skeleton

            Don’t care what fans think for the most part.

            Sens management hasn’t given up on Cowen and for good reason. Cowen isn’t going anywhere.

    • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

      I’m with you man…. 82-0

      LEHNER with a 0.00 gaa while playing every single game. Also becomes the first goalie ever to win the rocket Richard trophy!

    • sprucesens

      you will be very upset next year. I think we are tanking for mcdavid. I think all those players might be around 60, which i’m ecstatic about, especially if zib gets to that point. But the rest, you don’t even get those point totals in chicago…

    • Miguel

      hey I am big on Zibby, but 60-70 points… with what teamates to help him?

  • Frank

    He was good with the Sens but I’m not sure I’d be happy with them spending $5.5 million on an injury prone guy like Hemsky. I’d prefer they wait and see what the return for Spezza is before making any other moves anyway. If they land Bonino or another top 6 FW, they may not need Hemsky. To be honest, I’d rather have MM9 at a discounted price.

    Hopefully they can move guys like Greening, DaCosta

    Mac-Turris-Ryan
    Zbad-Bonino-Stone
    Hoffman-Lazar-Michalek
    Neil-Smith-Condra (Greening)

    Methot-Karlsson
    Wiercoch-Cowen
    Boro-Phillips

    Gryba

    The D scares the crap out of me…

    • Sandy

      Seems to me many said that last year about the D — and how true it was.
      If Murray doesn’t fix the D — it will be same thing next season…

      • Frank

        I expect a bounce back year from Cowen but they still need a true shutdown guy. I’m a big Wiercoch fan but he seems to be talked about as the odd-man out

        • wild bill

          The coach should have sat philips and played Wiercioch.He is much better and he has to develop.

        • Jakester

          I would use Cowen as a trade chip, don’t think much of his game, damaged goods!

          • Frank

            Cowen spent last offseason rehabbing an injury. With a full offseason of workouts, he should return to form. Can’t give up on him that easily. Plus, you’d be selling low

          • Jakester

            Yeah, you’re right let’s wait till he’s totally useless as we always do!

          • Frank

            So when a player has a poor season after a major injury, he should be immediately traded? Lots of players have down years. Thank goodness the front office is not that fickle

          • Jakester

            You think he’ll improve, I don’t. Maybe packaging him now before things get worse is also a damn good strategy. He’s the next Ryan O’Byrne IMO.

          • Skeleton

            So glad your aren’t one of the Sens pro scouts. Sens pro scouts see Cowen completely different than you do.

    • SensChirp

      That is an 11th, 12th, 13th place kind of roster right there.

      • Frank

        Not if they upgrade on D. That’s what I’d like to see

      • xN1Cx

        I’d have to agree. This is pretty depressing.

      • FBP

        15 with Gryba in net.

      • Frank

        Sadly Chirp, I think this is where they’re headed for next season. With the budget cap, I think this forward group is pretty much what we will see (except maybe Michalek). The D is what really needs a big addition

      • Sandy

        IF they lose Spezza, Hemsky & Michalek and the D stays the same, that is where the Sens are headed Chirp.
        No way they make the playoffs..

        • Skeleton

          Because history shows the Sens can’t win with their Bingo players and without Spezza right?

          Your talent evaluations always amuse me.

      • FistsofNeil25

        That’s being generous Chirp. Could be 15th or 16th.

        • Garrioch’s reliable source

          let’s split the difference – 14th next season ?

    • Matthew Rutldge-Taylor

      This line-up is better than last years.

  • FBP

    Sounds like we’re pretty fucked.

    • Sandy

      The only thing they are doing on July 1st is trying to re-sign McArthur & Ryan and maybe Anderson.
      Can’t see too many UFA’s coming to Ottawa this season.

      • Jakester

        Anderson is getting traded!

      • sprucesens

        a couple have to, or we will be under the cap. its just math.

  • savagestix

    Spezza and wiercoch for bonino lindholm and a 1st , i know anaheim will not want to include lindholm but just wondering if its fair value…. Maybe there’s a chance!

    • The Apostle

      I’m a big fan of getting Bonino and Lindholm or Fowler. But Spezza and Wiercicoh will only maybe get you those players. No chance they get both of those players AND a 1st round pick.

  • jtf927

    with spezza’s name coming up in trade rumors even before the season ended, i kind of got the feeling that we might be saying goodbye to hemsky and michalek. while the loss of the top line is of concern, i do not think it is as serious for the sens as other teams. the line of mcarthur-turris-ryan emerged in a significant way. and the great thing is, that they also emerged as very defensively responsible. we have alot of young players who will fiill out the ranks, and with new leaders like ryan, mcarthur, and turris, will hopefully play the 200 foot game that pmac wants. players like zbad, stone, hoffman, lazar, and pageau will fill out the ranks and give us speed, skill, and energy. we will get players back in any deal for spezza and with the money saved, we can sign bonafide dman. i actually think this mini-turnover may be the best thing to happen to the sens. it will signify the beginning of a new era for the sens.

    • FBP

      We can replace their minutes with Nick Bonino.

      • jtf927

        no way. shattenkirk + berglund.

        • FBP

          You haven’t had the pleasure of reading Garrioch yet tonight.

          • jtf927

            all joking aside, scoring goals was not our problem this past season. we were actually quite good at that. our problem was an offense that was defensively responsible and a porous d-corp. getting rid of players who were not defensively responsible will actually help improve our team.

    • wild bill

      Any money saved will go to the owner.

    • Sandy

      Michalek actually wants to be back. He likes playing in Ottawa. IF they can get him for a decent salary then they should re-sign him. At least he is an experienced forward. This team could be going into next season with a lot of inexperience in the top 9 forward positions.
      Hemsky had no ties to Ottawa. IF Spezza was staying there may have been a chance to keep him. He has priced his way out of Ottawa. He may take less to play on a contender. Ottawa is not a contender.
      If not a great return for Spezza, there is no way this team can get into the top 8 in the East. I don’t know which teams will drop out to make room for Ottawa, or Wash or Toronto for that matter.
      Detroit & Columbus coming into the East took away two basically guaranteed playoff spots which they will have for some time. That leaves 6 spots for the rest..

      • WaitingSince92

        This is Michalek’s last chance at a big paycheck. Regardless of whether you ‘like it here’ or ‘want to be back’, that’s what you say.

        I wouldn’t read too much into his words. He might truly mean it, but ‘I want to be back’ could just as easily mean ‘but not unless I get full market value’, or he could just as easily not mean it at all.

        And you just know Murray is hard-balling a guy like Michalek because he had such an unproductive season, and after so many injuries.

    • sprucesens

      agreed on some points. unfortunately we still have phillips. lol. We have to sign some top ufa’s with those players listed, or we won’t make the floor.

  • Floridasensfan

    That sucks, kind of hoped he would come around and sign.
    I sure hope we make some good trades, really questionable moves so far.
    I am perfectly fine with our top line MacArthur Turris Ryan.
    From there it goes downhill.
    Hoffman Zibby Stone, I like all three of those players but not a strong second line.
    We still have PMac so more of Chris Phillips and Chris Neil on the power play and lots of ice time for our fourth line.
    If we more or less keep our D we will be competing with the oilers.
    Spezza being gone is fine but you can’t pull his production from our existing roster.
    Can’t help but think ticket sales will plummet if there is not significant change to our roster. Time will tell but we need more than a tweak.

  • Max Power

    Without Alfie there is no sens… there is no hope… something feels so wrong

    • Jordan

      Is that you william shatner??

  • FBP

    Who runs PR for the Sens? Just a constant barrage of ridiculous disheartening information.

  • SensChirp

    This song always makes me think of the Senators in the Post-Alfie era…

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlIeCJWevCI

    • spezzerman

      hahahaha. give me a break.

      • SensChirp

        Ha. The Anna Sun even sounds like Alfredsson!
        Seriously though, it’s a bit of a mess right now.

        • spezzerman

          meh, I bet whoever pays hemsky what he is asking this summer regrets it. I’ll wait and see if Bobby Ryan signs to see what’s what.

          throwing money at hemsky wouldn’t make me think this team is heading in the right direction

          • sprucesens

            we need to spend money somewhere! i personally have always liked hemsky. Through all the terrible years edmonton has had, even before they were drafting 1st, he was the lone bright spot on that team. The only problem were his injuries. While its a gamble on an injury prone player, most players have some sort of injury history. 5.5 is fair for a player like hemsky. The rest of the UFA’s in that price point, will likely not be as good/talented. If we just keep telling all our top players that they want too much, we will soon find ourselves barely able to make the floor. Meanwhile, we’ll be paying greening close to 3 million. By not offering what hemksy wants, we now lose him, the picks, and put ourselves in a very poor position to sign other UFA’s, of which we NEED to or else we won’t make the floor. I assume whatever spezza trade we make, will have a high dollar cap hit coming back, or else we are in very big trouble cap wise. And not the problem the rest of teams have

          • runningbear1974

            Hemsky seems like a nice guy, but he’s exactly the style of player i hope the senators stay away from… What is our identity supposed to be? We need playoff types… Does Hemsky strike you as a playoff type? Not to me…
            Not signing Hemsky gives us more money to make a better decision on a UFA….
            Why the hell is 20 goals worth 5.5 million? Why spend that when you can spend 7milion and get 40 goal guy…

  • Tony

    The more I think of it, the more I think Valeri Nichushkin is the best fit for us in a Spezza trade. The guy is a tank and would be a great match with Zibby… the guy is huge and would create lots of room for Z. Sign Michalek on top of that and you get a top 6 of:

    McArthur-Turris-Ryan
    Michalek-Zibby-Nichushkin

    Nichushkin in my opinion would be a more complete player then Spezza once he reaches his prime. The guy will be a perennial allstar.

    If he’s available, get ‘er done… Valeri Nichushkin and 1st for Spezza and a third

    • spezzerman

      he is completely untouchable.

    • Frank

      Wow, are there rainbows and unicorns in your world too? No way Dallas makes that deal

      • Tony

        If he’d be available yeah I would start lovin Rainbows and Unicorns… but like I said if he was available (or anyone of that quality) was available, you make it happen (in other words if the other gm doesnt immediately hang up on him, you give your best shot)

        I just would hate to see a trade only bring in a Bonino type of player… we already have plenty of that caliber of talent in our prospect/player pool

        • Frank

          As a fan base, we can’t expect these types of trades. As much as it sucks to say, Bonino, a 1st and maybe another prospect is what the Sens would be looking at. Forget guys like Nichushkin, Schwartz, Oshie, etc.

          • sprucesens

            while that is certainly partly true, you also don’t get spezza for 3rd liners. it just doesn’t happen like that. murray isn’t going to just give him away. Even if we don’t like the way he plays, he is still a PPG center that is number 1C on 75% of teams in the league. Murray will get his asking price, or there will be no deal. The problem might be, that he has his eye on players, that fans might not necessarily have. Something like the MacA variety.

    • Garrioch’s reliable source

      You really think our Ukranian heritage team owner is interested in picking up
      a high profile Rooskie ?

      Unicorns, butterflies and rainbows indeed

    • sprucesens

      i would think nichushkin is untouchable. but if there is any way spezza can get us him, the phone should be hung up immediately, so that we can pack spezza’s bags.

  • Jakester

    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NmwRBgvsFbI

    Bonino, DSP, and give us our pick back

    • FistsofNeil25

      Bonino has had one good season in his career and we want to take him as the centerpiece of a Spezza trade. Gotchya.

    • ProfessorPower

      Etem + DSP + 10th

      flip 10th for D man

    • Jordan Hendren

      If a trade with Anaheim doesn’t have Hampus Lindholm in it, it should be a non-starter. DSP, a replaceable 3rd/4th liner, no thanks. Etem is nice, but he’s also a home grown california boy, that would be like us trading Ceci now, probably not going to happen.

  • spgottawa

    A bit of a joke, all the naysayers saying that not signing Hemsky means the Sens are cheap and will suck next year. Not signing Hemsky was pretty much a given.
    This should be good news. They’ll have more budget available to take on salary in trades – i.e get a legit top 3/6 forward or top 2/4 defenceman in a Spezza trade. (Maybe something worthwhile in an Anderson trade?) And they’ll have more in the future to sign Ryan, MacArthur etc for 2015-16 and beyond.

    Sens will spend above the floor so there are still deals to be made. BM will pull something off in the off season that will surprise some people. Past deals or signings like Bobby Ryan, Gonchar, and the artiste come to mind. (Ok maybe the last one didn’t work out so well….) I, for one, am intrigued and interested to see what happens. There are some good things on the horizon. Some of the younger players are still developing and may be better next year – this includes Zibby, Hoffman, Stone, Pageau or DaCosta (can’t see them both on the team) up front. On D, despite the haters I think there is a potential bounce back year for Cowen, potential for improvement in Weircoch and Karlsson and maybe a nice piece added in a trade. (Though someone will have to go to make room.

    And comparing not being willing to pay Hemsky with not being willing to pony up for legit top forwards like Ryan or Stasny. Give me a break!

    • WaitingSince92

      Cowen is a bounce-back candidate if I’ve ever seen one.

      • Tooks

        Cowen cant skate and has below avg hockey IQ. The only bouncing he’s gonna do is at a bar in the Market…

        • WaitingSince92

          His skating and IQ were fine when he started in 2011. Did he hit his head and lose his IQ? You don’t think his major injuried could have temporarily impacted his development, do you? Hmmmmm…

    • FistsofNeil25

      Whether we sign Hemsky or not we’re still cheap and are going to suck next year. There’s a lot of potential to be a very good team once our young guys reach their primes but we’re a few years away from that.

      Short term things don’t look very good while we spend near the salary cap floor and our young players go through growing pains. Bottom line is we are cheap and probably will suck next year, Hemsky or not.

    • WaitingSince92

      We don’t need to make room in the budget to take on salary from trades, given that reaching the floor is a more pressing concern than exceeding our budget, especially if/when Spezza gets traded. Do you think we’re going to get $9m worth of salary in a Spezza trade? Not going to happen.

    • sprucesens

      hemsky, 5 million, spezza 7 mill, michalek 4.3 mill. thats 16.3 million less than our cap floor team was this past year. we tell michalek to take less, or its a no go(which i’m fine with). we tell hemsky he isn’t due a .5 mill raise after putting up with the oilers for his entire career. Every player has gotten significant raises in that time. I don’t think hemsky asking for 5.5 is that unreasonable, on a 2-3 year contract. Even IF we did that, we are 10.8 short on this year’s salary. awful tough to get close to 11 million coming back on a spezza trade. that’s 2 top flight players in return. Hell, that’s even 3 very good players. We have to make a huge free agent splash, and get at least 5 mill in salary coming back in the spezza trade, just to even come close to the same salary as this year. To make my point, we’d need Oshie AND berglund, just to get even money for spezza alone. A trade st. louis would never do. Then we need to find 2 players to fill the spots/pay that hemsky and michalek did, which is 9.3 million. While its nice having the space to take on salary in trades, we have basically endless amounts of room as is. Just a guess, but we could trade spezza for the 2 most expensive players in the league, and still have room to sign the rest of our roster.

      The problem i think we are having is that we acquire a player that played superb for us, and now we are going to lose him over .5 million?? How the hell do we plan on signing any other UFA’s if we can’t afford that. I realize he just may not want to play here regardless of money, but doesn’t this sound eerily simliar to how we lost alfie? Completely different situations, obviously, but spurning a player over a relatively small $$ difference, just gives off bad vibes to everyone. While i don’t think hemsky is the make or break between a good season or not next year, if we take this attitude on july 1st, all the top UFA’s will be elsewhere for the proper price. Meanwhile, we’ll be left overpaying for someone else’s scraps, just to make the floor. I’d rather pay someone worthy of the money, than overpay someone to correct my mistakes

      • sprucesens

        to clarify, the “scraps” we will look like florida did a few years ago, and seems to just continue doing. They sign all the B level free agents to hugely overpriced contracts, so they can make the floor. they have a drastically different team each year, and dwell at the bottom because of it. Had they just offered the actual good players top dollar, and filled the other spots from within, they would be a better team. I think they realized this now, and thats why they want to trade for known good, top dollar players, making the 1st available. They need stability, and they don’t need scraps any more. And while the 1st would be a good player, he may be a year or 2 away from turning the team around. But back to topic, unless we are getting weber back in a deal to the west, or something similar, we need to make a fairly large splash on july 1st, in addition to get money back in a realistic spezza trade. If we had chosen to sign hemsky, if it was even possible, We would have 1 less glaring hole. While i fully advocate going super young, and letting the youth get top 6 experience, to make the floor, we need to spend money. And i’d sooner do that on someone who is worthy of the money they ask for, than be forced to dish out contracts, just to be legal.

        • runningbear1974

          I think Hemsky is one of those overpaid “scraps”… He’s not top talent and not worth the money…

  • luckan20

    If we get our pick back, I will try to flip it along with Cowen, Gryba and Puempel for Eberle and Petry or
    Perron and Petry for 2014 top pick, Cowen and Gryba.

  • Mitchell

    I’m thinking 2nd round pick with Greening, Gryba and Ben Blood are being traded to Edmonton on a Eklund type hunch. And maybe being able to grab Ganger w/ Petry or Klefbom in return?

    • sprucesens

      oil won’t be dealing D prospects that look good. They want more, not less. greening, gryba, cowen for klefbom and gagner MIGHT work, but doubtful. Probably replace klefbom with moroz. While the sens and oil are almost ideal trade partners, i doubt much else happens between them. We have an abundance of D, sadly they are pretty much all better than the oil’s, while they have an abundance of top 6 forwards. Could be a q4q to be done, but they would get better deals elsewhere.

  • FistsofNeil25

    There have been some crazy ass comments on here tonight.

    • Doc

      Rinse, repeat.

      • The Apostle

        It is nice to see people over valuying Spezza again though. Suddenly he’s worth two very good players, a prospect and a 1st round pick again.

        I do love it when a fanbase paves the way for its own disappointment and disillusionment.

    • Garrioch’s reliable source

      Ever since the season ended actually

      SOOOOO many “bag of spare parts for another team’s top level player” proposals

  • Conor_smythe

    yup… Gonchar 5.5 – 37 years old…. Kovalev 5 mill even – 37 years old

    Hemsky…. lets offer him 4 million, after all, he’s not 37 yet

    What the fluck is going on in Ottawa???

    • FistsofNeil25

      We’re broke because we paid $23 500 000 to Gonchar and Kovalev :(

      • WaitingSince92

        We’re broke because Melnyk is.

        • KJ

          980 million or what ever is not BROKE!! hello.

          • WaitingSince92

            Tell that to him!

          • KJ

            I don’t think I need to remind him how much money he has.

      • Conor_smythe

        …. YA…. THATS WHY WE’RE BROKE!!! LOL

        • FistsofNeil25

          I wasn’t being serious lol

          • Conor_smythe

            me neither

    • Garrioch’s reliable source

      Gonchar and Kovalev were signed 4 or 5 seasons ago.
      Melnyk was rich then – now he isn’t.

      • Conor_smythe

        in the grand scheme of things.. compared to other NHL owners… melnyk was never rich

    • sprucesens

      lol, YES. i guess we pay for age, not talent.

  • hq8

    how do you explain the following:
    the sens have kept phillips and neil since 2005 while letting go of hossa (2SC, 4 SCFs), Chara (1SC, 2SCFs), Kelly (1SC, 2SCFs) along with alfie, redden, havlat, fisher, volchenkov.
    if Melnyk is such a stingy owner and BM is any good at management, the first thing he should do is go the COL route and get rid of the filler crap he has on this roster. there is absolutely no excuse for it.

    • Conor_smythe

      IMAGINE… if we didnt sign phillips, we could have kept Hemsky…

      hmmmmmmmmmmmm…

      • WaitingSince92

        Imagine if we didn’t resign Phillips – we wouldn’t have Phillips! Good enough on it’s own!

        • Conor_smythe

          yes

          • Conor_smythe

            I was imagining that all season long… and then reality bit me

      • FistsofNeil25

        And that plug Greening with his 2.65 million anchoring down the fourth line!!!

      • hq8

        im not pro-hemsky signing. to me his flash in the pan in ottawa needs to be juxtaposed against his so-so record in edmonton. I think he is too old and past the ‘bath-tub’ curve i.e. would be a lousy asset.

        • Conor_smythe

          still better than phillips

      • Tooks

        Could of signed him sure, but would Hemsky take the contract to play here? dont think so…

  • ProfessorPower

    trade his rights in a package

  • Phoenix

    I hope Murray tries and moves some of these UFA’s for picks so they can get an early jump on July 1. If Murray was able to recoup 1 of his picks for Hemsky then it was a good deal for the Sens. Hopefully before I am long gone we get a new owner and the Sens spend wisely but keep some of this players. Would really like to see a Cup in Ottawa in my life time.

  • sprucesens

    ooo ooo. according to capgeek we are the 15th highest paid team as of next year!!! foreshadowing?? could it be???

    o, wait. We have 19 of 23 players already signed to contracts, while almost everyone below us has 14-17.(2 others below us at 19) And we plan on trading 7 million of that for cheaper contracts. On the plus side, 4 years from now, McDavid will be up for a new contract, after his ELC expires, and we will low ball him. Low ball him like we’ve never low balled before. And another team will offer sheet him, and we won’t match, As turris will be making a whopping 4.5 million on his brand new contract as our leading scorer, and #1C, and paying mcdavid close to that will upset the balance of our budget structure.

    I don’t even know what type of humour that was supposed to be, but i just made myself depressed. lol.

    • Tooks

      It is very depressing but hey, atleast we will have seen McDavid live for 3 years, lol…

      • FistsofNeil25

        If we get McDavid we can kiss the budget goodbye! He would turn this team into a money maker.

  • Tom P

    Honestly guys, there is not a lot to be optimistic about right now, coming up to free agency and the draft, but currently the roster we have right now is in Eugenes ball bark for the budget.

    With Michalek, Hemsky and Spezza coming off the books that’s a whole lot more cap space to deal with.
    Our GM is Brian Murray if you all remember and will ice us a competitive roster people, in no way do I see a guy like BM let this team tank.

    Two years ago without Karl, Spezza, Cowen, Michalek (part of the year) and Andy, we had a bunch of hard working kids who were under estimated and proved everyone wrong. These “kids” are maturing and developing and deserve second chances. I’m excited for this roller coaster of an off season to be honest. Out with the old, in with the new.
    Trust in Murray and his staff !

    • Tooks

      Murray’s hands are tied as long as Melnyk operates on budget. He can be God’s gift to GM’s but without $$$ he cant do shit. Hence why our team seems to be going down rather than up. Not to mention our Rep took some serious hits the past year.

    • FistsofNeil25

      I trust in Murray and his staff but it’s hard to be a competitive team in today’s NHL if you aren’t willing to spend competitively. We’re just a middle of the pack team that will have to scratch and claw all season for points.

      All these suggested line-ups everyone’s posting for next season will land us somewhere in the 10th-13th in the east. That’s not where we want to be is it?

  • OleHeaveHoFlipperoooni

    So, first off I’ll say that I WTF’d both the Phillips & Greening contracts… Senseless!!!

    Anyway I’d take Hemsky back, but not at 5.5. So almost 10 years of Hemsky deadline rumors to Ottawa, we get him finally. He plays well and then he bounces after 20 games. A la Bondra… No years and years of Bondra rumors, cause that one was out left field… Hemskys off to Pittsburgh, my prediction. Gonna light it up a little with Crosby, till he blows out his shoulder again. Or something else.

    Soooo what are your takes on bringing in Briére?? He showed hes got more in the tank. And proved how dumb Therrien is. Time and time again Danny scored or set up CLUTCH goals for the Habs in the playoffs. Yet he was constantly used as a 4th line call up from Hamilton, A plugger if you will. Briére will bring leadership and experience to the table immediately. And with our supporting cast could be good for 50+ points.

    I’ll take him for 3 or 3.5

    • Tooks

      Ugh please no Brière, he had a subpar playoff and would probably be our smallest player…no thx.

      • OleHeaveHoFlipperoooni

        Subpar playoff? From the start Therrien had him playing 8-12 mins a game. Still scored 7 points. 5 or 6 of which where clutch game winners, tying or go ahead goals

  • Jason

    Hemsky was good in the brief time he spent with Ottawa but I don’t think he could sustain that level of play for an entire season. He’s definitely not worth 5.5mil, but some team will give him that much for sure.

  • FBP

    Discussions about cap hit and paying too much for someone don’t make a ton of sense to me. The cap hit doesn’t really effect the Sens in any way.

  • Tooks

    Ugh, not a good way to start the morning…This is not good news if your a Sens fan. IF you were to pull some highlights of this season, it would probably be the play of Hemsky & Spezza, now we are in serious jeopardy of losing both.

    • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

      This should hardly be a surprise at this point…I am honestly starting to wonder if our intended rebuild plan/budget was done with the intention of getting a VERY high pick in the 2015 draft. I mean realistically if it was they have done a great job of making it not look that suspicious.

      I mean who knows, maybe they expected to be better by now(don’t really see how with the moves made)…Trading any assets for Hemsky kind of looks like an ass backwards move at this point. Did we do it in a last ditch effort to try and keep Spezza here?!?! I doubt it…we had no idea that they would have gelled prior to Hemsky showing up. I mean we brought Ryan in with the intention of being that guy…didn’t work.

      If we lose Spezza, Hemsky and Michalek I think we are essentially back at square one of the rebuild, and hopefully we do it properly this time…especially if Ryan, Karlsson, Turris, Macarthur, Lehner want to be the cornerstones of this franchise. Macarthur and Ryan being our “veteran” presence and our two oldest players…anyone older is moved for whatever is offered.

      • Tooks

        Not look suspicious? We lost the face of our Franchise and the best centre this team has ever had. Not to mention the money suabbles and budget talks, pretty suspicious to me, our Org has been under scrutiny over the last few years for exact suspiciousness. When Murray said 3 year rebuild, people should have know that didnt exist unless you pick at #1 or #2 at the draft, we didnt. I knew this was gonna be more of a 5 year plan.
        Oh its no surprise, its just fact that this puts us back a few years. Not only does losing all that money hurt us as we cant even spend it anyways but getting back to the floor is gonna be hard and we are going to see some big overpayment on avg players to get there, a la Greening and Neil.

      • peetypuck

        As I mentioned a week or two ago we should know where Murray is taking this team by the trades he makes. Mainly draft picks and prospects means we will probably be in the McDavid/Eichel Sweepstakes. I have no problem with drafting a franchise player while we’re still in rebuild. So far I haven’t been overwhelmed by the prospects we’ve acquired in the last three years. Short term pain for long term gain.

    • OleHeaveHoFlipperoooni

      Pfffttttt biiiggg Fing deal

    • runningbear1974

      It’s good for me… I’m happy we’re not signing him… Not the type of player i want on this team… No more, skill no grit guys… He’s not worth 5.5 million… Or to say it better, i would prefer to spend 5.5 somewhere else…

      • Tooks

        Well, I hope your prepared for the ugly that is to come in the next few years, without top end skill guys we wont get very far. But that could be a good thing, how do you think we became so good for so many years…we sucked and picked the best in the draft, with any luck that happens again in 2015 and on.

        But with your logic, you wouldnt want McDavid cuz he aint gritty…sigh…

    • s3nsfan75

      You’re right with this ridiculous comment it’s not a good start to the morning

  • OleHeaveHoFlipperoooni

    I think we’d be a pretty solid team if:

    Spezza goes to the coyotes for Michael Stone, Antoine Vermette & Henrik Samuelsson. We add a prospect if need be with Spezz

    Sign 2 Dans:
    Daniel Briére & Dan Boyle

    Cmac – Turry – Bobby
    Briére – Zbad – Hoffman
    Smith – Vermette – Stone
    Greening – Pageau – Neil
    Condra

    EK65 – Methot
    Boyle – Stone
    Ceci – Phillips

    PW, Gryba

    Andy
    Robbie

    • Tooks

      So that gives you 1 decent line…your still missing the rest of your top 6, that 2nd line is pretty much an experimental line with an old has been who cant skate in Briere and 2 young dudes who we dont know how they will handle the pressure of top 6 responsability.

      Bottom 6 is bleh, Vermy wont comeback here to play 3C and all of Greening, Pageau, Neil, is all the same we had before, they just dont produce.

      Defense is a little better but I doubt Boyle comes here when he would get more elsewhere and probably on a better team. The addition of Stone on D is good but not enough. He isnt a legit top 4 D man.

    • FistsofNeil25

      Briere is still under contract with the Canadiens next season which is a good thing because I wouldn’t waste a roster spot on him.

      • OleHeaveHoFlipperoooni

        My bad. We need some experience though!

    • sbs138

      I don’t think Hoffman is a top 6 player. anyone else agree? maybe in time, but not yet.

      • FistsofNeil25

        Not even close. Maybe in time like you say, but he has done absolutely nothing at the NHL level to indicate he’s anything more than a depth player.

        • sbs138

          I don’t understand the hard on that some people seem to have for him. but that’s what we do, we overvalue our players.

          • Senatollah

            People like speed, although it wasnt that evident in most games. He didnt dynamically close gaps, or even forcheck hard to use that speed to land a body check in time.

      • Zelle

        I don`t think it’s so much believing Hoffman is a legit top 6 as much as the Sens don’t really have much talent on the left wing save for Mac. If you mention having Smith on the LW for Zbad people freak out (although I personally think it would be a good idea).

      • OleHeaveHoFlipperoooni

        With the right line mates one of Stone or Hoff should be able to play top 6

  • Matthew Rutldge-Taylor

    I’m glad the Sens are resigning Hemsky. The Sens need to focus on building a team around hard working forwards that can play a two way game, like Turris and MacArthur. I have my fingers crossed that Ottawa can get a player of that ilk for Spezza, to play with Zibby.

  • A-Train

    Hard to get too choked up about not signing Hemsky. He’ll get his money and help-out a contending team elsewhere. Or maybe spend a long time on the IR. Or both.

    Personally I’m more interested in Garrioch’s Spezza article. So much smoke around the Ducks and Spezza. Really seems like that’s where he’s going, especially with the recent trade history between the teams. Use St.Louis as a bit of leverage.

  • Chris

    So I was reading a bunch of sens tweets today and I realised that many sens fans for some reason don’t like Nick Bonino, and really don’t want him to be a part of any spezza trade which is absolutely ridiculous!

    I got the chance to watch him all year and during the playoffs and wow he’s such a talented young player with so much potential. There’s no doubt he’s a second line centre, and he could really complete Turris as the second centre assuming Turris is our #1 centre.

    YouTube nick bonino and you’ll really see how good this guy is! I’d love it if we got him along with a pick and maybe a prospect for spezza. It would be a absolute steal in my mind. The guy is still young.

    • spezzerman

      he is seen as a drag on his team in the Corsi department, but that doesn’t necessarily mean much. But it is a little worrisome consider the ducks arent a great possession team to begin with. And, when you consider the Ducks are looking at Spezza as their number 2, Nick Bonino isnt going to get many people excited.

      Bonino isnt terrible but if that is the C return and core piece in a Spezza trade, i’d rather get a d-man who can step in and play 20 solid minutes a night and roll the dice with Turris, Zib, Smith, Pageau, Da Costa and possibly even Lazar as Center options.

    • FistsofNeil25

      I refuse to gauge how good a player is by watching a youtube highlight pack. There are probably just as impressive highlight packages of Colin Greening.

      Bonino has had one good season in his career where he spent a lot of time playing the wing with Getzlaf and Perry and on the powerplay with those two. He’s 26 and has only played 189 career games. He’s hardly a player I would put much faith in to continue to produce around 50 points per season.

  • The Apostle

    “not many team’s in the National Hockey League are at risk of losing their entire top line”

    on top of trading Spezza we are losing Ryan, MacArthur and Turris? Now that is bad news.

  • FistsofNeil25

    So what was the Sens record post deadline with Hemsky in the line-up? I think it was something like 10-7-3. So it’s not like he drastically improve our team overall…him and Spezza just had some nice chemistry but he didn’t really make our team much better.

    I still don’t understand the point in acquiring a top six player who’s eligible for unrestricted free agency if you aren’t prepared to pay him market value. It’s kind of hilarious and such a typical Senators move these days.

    I don’t think Hemsky is worth $5 500 000 per season but the real question is how many UFA’s are out there this summer that are any better than Hemsky? Maybe 5 or 6? Do we have a chance at signing any of them? Not likely.

    I’ll tell you guys one thing, if we’re refusing to pay $5 500 000 season and just end up trading young assets for Chris Stewart and $4 150 000 salary then I may just boycott the 2014/2015 season.

    • Big Lue

      All it cost was a third round pick in a draft that isn’t very deep… it was more of a show of confidence in the team than anything else, but unfortunately we were too inconsistent in games we should win down the stretch. Now that it hasn’t worked out we can move on losing basically nothing. Seems like a solid trade to me.

    • sbs138

      and we won your last 5 games…3 of which, I think, were after we were eliminated.

    • Pasky

      I can handle Chris Stewart if we can ship out Greening to Buffalo. I think we also get him just to help reach the floor unfortunately, but if we can get rid of Greening for him then I’m all for it, even if it means losing Prince.

  • http://batman-news.com bob

    I just love how all articles that quote Bruce starts off with “According to a report from Bruce Garrioch of the Ottawa Sun” Does he even have a crediable source? I stopped reading the sun.

    • SensChirp

      He gets information directly from Murray on things like this.

      • Doc

        From what I can gather, it’s from Melnyk and not Murray.

        Even more terrifying….

  • WolfInSheepsClothes

    Tired of hearing EM is poor.

    Here is a recent list of Canada’s most wealthy; (EM is #77 on the list)
    http://www.canadianbusiness.com/lists-and-rankings/rich-100-the-full-2014-ranking/

    Even if you take away the latest valuation of the Sens (Forbes’ estimated the team being worth $380M in 2013) that would put EM’s net worth at $600M divided amongst his other assets (Trimmel – which recently saw a massive jump in stock value, his horse racing, etc).

    There is no reason why he is still forcing an “internal budget”. He must know that we’re tired of hearing this horse shit and that it’s going to adversely affect ticket/merch sales….? He IS a smart business man, so hopefully he’ll figure this out soon.

  • http://@CARLOSwSPECR1 CARLOSwSPECR1

    Providing we don’t dip too much into FA
    Good News: Opens up some slots for young guys to step up, and we finally have roster spots up for grab.
    Bad News: Depending on progress, this rebuild is another 4-5 years away from a true contender, and franky, as long as we’re a basement-cap team, we’ll never really contend.

    I personally would like to upgrade our back-end via FA. I don’t think we can really say our “player-development program” will get us true-elite D-men, because we’re not Nashville (D-men factory), or Detroit (great player development program)”

    One way we can spend more money is for Melynk to take on a partner… but I don’t think he’ll let that happen.

  • Aaron 2.0

    I think the news for me is there was actually some form of negotiation or at least discussion. Hemsky seemed rather certain that he was going to test free agency at year end. 5.5 million seems pretty reasonable, at least without knowing what term he’s asking for. Experienced first line players don’t really come any cheaper than that. On the flip side, it is sort of funny that fans, me included, seem more willing to overlook some of the same issues plaguing Spezza. Ageing, injury prone, defensively suspect, and 1-dimensional. Admittedly, I was enamored with him too, and would really like to see him back.

    • spezzerman

      you’re absolutely right; it is funny how the spezza criticisms are likely more adequate for Hemsky yet everyone is pissed that the Sens arent opening up the wallet for him…

      I’m not convinced teams are going to be jumping at the chance to give Hemsky a raise he hasnt earned. Anyone could have had him for a draft pick last year, but stayed away. 17 points in 20 games isnt going to change minds. He could see that whatever offer Ottawa made is as good as he is going to get and may reconsider. He is a complimentary piece anyway. I dont mind having him on our terms but would not be trying to outbid the market to keep him from going to market in July

    • Matthew Rutldge-Taylor

      I don’t know. I think that anyone who wants Spezza off the team also would not want Hemsky to resign.

      I also don’t think Hemsky is a first line player. He makes fancy plays but he’s not consistent enough. Were he to play for the Sens I would want him on the third line with Smith and Greening, maybe. I also don’t think he’s worth more than about $3.5M.

    • hq8

      yup, alot of sens fans and especially the sens blogger-world is heads over heels with him. they are all missing two points:
      1. how cheaply edmonton let Hemsky walk – keeping salary and for a 3rd and 5th rounder says a lot about Hemsky.
      2. his past history in edmonton – like you mentioned ageing, injuries, defense and 1 dimensional with a severe knack for pass-first.

      sens need a goal scorer, got enough playmakers on this team already.

      the recipe cant get any clearer: size is just as necessary as speed and skill – just look at LA.

      regardless of budget, sens need to stop talking “it was worth it” half-measures and cut to the chase fast. get rid of the deadweight on this team – Neil, Phillips. Give guys like Greening a short leash and cut them loose if its not working out.

      winning teams are much more aggressive now in player handling and it works. you only stay loyal to your true core (turris, karlsson, ryan, zib, lehner, stone, lazar, methot, CMac, Spezz) – treat the rest like what they really are – complimentary pieces

      • SensChirp

        I think that says more about Edmonton’s incompetence.

        • spezzerman

          and yet no other GMs were willing to pounce on that incompetence…

        • hq8

          hmm maybe, but flip side is that how was there no other contending team in the whole league which didnt want to grab that offer. dont you think a team like the penguins or detroit would jump all over it? especially with all the injuries detroit had down the stretch

        • TookieIs100PercentRight

          Hemsky is soft and injury-prone and tops out around 50ish points. Edmonton has a ton of skill, why not get a pick for Ales and move on?
          TOOKS100% OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Chris

    Does anyone know Floirdas asking price for the first pick in the draft?

    • hq8

      lol please dont suggest another inter-divisional trade for the sens. one is enough.

  • FistsofNeil25

    This Spezza trade will be one of the defining moments for Bryan Murray as GM of the Senators. We’ve lost Heatley and Alfie under his watch and we’re about to lose Spezza. I know a lot of people weren’t happy with the way Murray handled the Heatley fiasco and from the sounds of things it sure seems like he took Alfie for granted.

    Now he’s faced with trading Spezza, the most talented player this organization has ever seen and the second best player in franchise history behind Alfie. He better get a good return for Spezza and make some moves to improve this team this summer or else people are going to start pointing their fingers at him.

    In his tenure as our GM, we’ve been a middle of the pack team qualifying for the playoffs 4 out of the 7 years with only one playoff round win to show for it. It’s soon time that this team starts to work it’s way up the standings, but it’s very hard to see that happening any time soon.

    • Senatollah

      Willing to put blind faith in GMBM.

      Looking at both the Bobby Ryan Trade and the Dallas-Boston Trade (Tyler Seguin, Rich Peverley and prospect defenseman Ryan Button, FOR Loui Eriksson and prospects Reilly Smith, Joe Morrow and Matt Fraser) I really want to have faith that GMBM can find another team to offer something similar. Lots of interesting suggestions to including Andy/Lehner or Weircoch/Cowen or prospects (Hoffman, Price, Stone, etc.) that could make the trade bigger than just Spezza for player X.

      In no way comparing Spezza to Seguin or Erkisson, just that these deals can and do happen.

    • hq8

      maybe that explains why Melnyk doesnt want to spend more lol BM mediocrity as a whole, but ability of sens staff to find draft gems that Melnyk doesnt have to shell out for right away.

      honestly, if Melnyk truely is a stingy guy with zero aspiration to win – which by all signs he is, then BM is the perfect GM for him.

    • spezzerman

      if you ignore the good stuff he has done, he looks bad, yes. But, why would you do that? You could make an argument that we wouldnt have had nearly as much success recently than we have because of him. In fact, his biggest mistake may have been setting fan expectations way to high for where they should be considering how young our core is

      • FistsofNeil25

        I never said he wasn’t doing a good job or that I didn’t believe in the guy. I think he’s done an excellent job here the last few years. I think he has one of the most difficult jobs in the NHL dealing with the budget and all of other Melnyk’s other bs.

        My comment wasn’t made with the intent to blame Murray, it was to simply say he really needs to come out on top with this Spezza trade.

        Sooner or later though this team needs to start to move up the standings. Being a middle of the pack team won’t be good enough for much longer.

        • spezzerman

          sorry, the tone was very negative. Hard to tell that you werent being critical.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Yeah I can see that. For the record though, I have been very critical of the way he handled the Heatley fiasco and how things went down with Alfie last summer, but those are the only issues I’ve had with him in his tenure here… and they were very difficult positions for him to be in. The revolving door of coaches hasn’t looked great either but oh well.

            Overall I think he’s done very well stocking us with a good group of players: Turris, Ryan, MacArthur, Zibanejad, Stone, Puempel, Lazar, Karlsson, Ceci, Cowen, Lehner etc

            I would love to see what he could do if he wasn’t handcuffed by Melnyk’s internal budget.

    • hq8

      the bar for good GMs in this league is yet still much higher than where BM and his staff are operating right now. the guys getting it done are much more aggressive in all aspects, not just drafting. just look at what chiarelli did with seguin.

      i dont suggest to get in perpetual wheel and deals like Shero or Holmgren where eventually it bites the wrong way.

      Ottawa I think is just as bad as toronto in retaining crap players for a long long time and the teams that are getting it done – thats the one thing that stands out about them – they dont retain crap for too long. Phillips and Neil are two pieces on this team that absolutely have run their course and need to go. Cowen and Greening, on another team, would have probably been gone by now.

      Given how MTL handled Subban, you can see how much wrong the sens got Cowen. There seems to be no learning at all. If MTL can gamble on a centrepiece the way they did and hell got a Norris out of it (thx to Matt Cooke’s amazing skating though), then what basis does Ottawa have to hand out Cowen a nice contract while he is sitting out and missing camp. Ditto for Greening, the parallel over there was O’Reilly, even though COL budged thx to CGY pushing the case, you can see how playing hard ball with a top player like that paid dividends for COL – they are deep like no-one’s business now up front.

      so, sorry, but if fans and bloggers can find cause to dump on Melnyk, they might as well start looking broadly and dump on BM too.

      call a spade a spade guys. BM found ways to rid the team of Kelly, Fisher, Foligno for good returns, but can’t find ways to get rid of Neil and Phillips?

      • FistsofNeil25

        What did Chiarelli do with Seguin? He’s going to regret that trade for the rest of his career. It was aggressive yes, but you don’t just peddle off a 21 year old player with franchise potential because he’s still acting like a kid. Seguin would have been their best player this year and probably would have put them passed Montreal.

        I agree with the rest of your comment though!

        • hq8

          true, but look at the bruins blueline now though with the next addition of Joe Morrow. Reilly Smith turned out just fine for them on their 1st or 2nd line with Bergeron. The bruins with the centre-depth they are carrying could easily afford to peddle Seguin and got that much more thicker up front.

          MTL winning had a lot more to do with Price than any other factor and you can see how losing Price basically gave the Rangers the track they needed.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Joe Morrow and Reilly Smith are nice young players and all but when you get your hands on a franchise caliber superstar like Tyler Seguin you don’t trade him under any circumstances. I don’t care how much forward depth you have! It was a boneheaded trade.

          • hq8

            jury is still out. Seguin was on a Boston team which won a SCF and lost a SCF. he never really got along with Julien i think and maybe even the rest of the Boston players. Boston arguably still remains the most formidable team in the east.
            as of right now, it sure doesnt look like they are missing him.

            they may be missing Tim Thomas though haha.

            on the other hand, maybe Melnyk should have held onto Chiarelli.

        • TookieIs100PercentRight

          What did Seguin do in Dallas? Diddly.
          Boston builds around team first, ethic first. They have two finals and a Cup to show for it. They regressed a little this year, sure.
          Add Seguin and Kessel and subtract Hamilton, do the Bruins beat th Habs? “Probably not.”
          TOOKS100%OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Matthew Rutldge-Taylor

      Fair enough, but I think that we should reflect on the fact the team is just starting to benefit from his efforts to restock team’s prospect pool, after Muckler left the cupboards bare.

      Sens fans have Murray to thank for drafting a whole slew of players who look like they will be NHL players for the Senators: Mark Stone, Matt Puempel, MIke Hoffman, Curtis Lazar, JG Pageau, Cody Ceci, Mark Borowiecki, and Chris Driedger. Murray also drafter Silfverberg and Stefan Noesen, which allowed him to acquire Bobby Ryan.

      Murray also drafted or signed other players who have a reasonable chance of being NHL players at some point,: Shane Prince, Fredrik Claesson. Stephane Da Costa, and Derek Grant.

      I think that the Sens best years are ahead of them. Once those first set of players are in the line-up and leading the team Sens will have a lot to cheers about.

      • peetypuck

        You forgot Zibby and Lehner.

        • Matthew Rutldge-Taylor

          I didn’t mention them because I was just listing players who weren’t already regulars on the team.

  • John Raina

    Please sell the team already, Eugene

  • SensChirp

    Something I am struggling with and I know others are too- If Eugene Melnyk is done spending money on this team, why should I continue to?

    • Kohlmanator

      Is your arm getting tired Chirp? You seem to be stirring the pot a lot… :)

      Even if Melnyk was willing to pay Hemsky, I still don’t think he would want to sign here. He’s spent his time in Edm, and earned his UFA status.

    • FistsofNeil25

      Because it’s hard to turn our backs on the boys… think of all the time we spend thinking and talking about the Sens. We love this team. I eat sleep and breathe Sens hockey as I’m sure everyone here does.

      We deserve better than Melnyk.

      • SensChirp

        This is true. And is why I will always support them. Has to be better days ahead.

        • FistsofNeil25

          I think he’ll sell the team eventually. It’s just a matter of when.

      • Tooks

        Well if you only eat, sleep and breath Sens hockey then I think it might be time to expand your horizons, ya know keep a few doors open. I pretty much am a fan of NHL hockey as a whole, makes it much more fun when you can watch and appreciate many teams.

        • FistsofNeil25

          Obviously I’m a fan of NHL hockey as a whole, but I don’t care about any other teams all that much. Ottawa is the only team I’m passionate about but I still love the game and still watch a ridiculous amount of other hockey.

          It’s just frustrating being a diehard fan of a team that isn’t willing to do whatever it takes to win hockey games.

          • Tooks

            I hear ya, its been since 1994-95 for me.

          • FistsofNeil25

            I’m a huge NFL and NBA fan as well but again there isn’t a single team that I’m truly passionate about, I just enjoy the sport. So that’s why I’m just desperate to see the Sens give me something to cheer for other than watching young players develop well enough to price themselves out of Ottawa’s market.

          • A-Train

            Well, we aren’t the Montreal Expos just yet. Have there really been a lot of good young players on this team who have “priced themselves out of Ottawa’s market?”

            I’m not defending Melnyk, and I’m sure Chirp’s information is good, but couldn’t you also look at the team and see how they’ve locked-up Turris and Karlsson. We all expect they’ll extend Ryan and get Lehner on a good deal. There’s a few pieces of your core.

            If Alfie, Spezza, Michalek and Hemsky are the casualties of this latest round of cost-cutting you could see it as alarming….or you could see it as sending pricey older guys out the door as the team rebuilds.

          • OleHeaveHoFlipperoooni

            1992-93 for me

    • spezzerman

      Personally, I think you are overreacting to one disappointing season. let the summer play out and see what happens with Bobby Ryan. If he wants to play here, anyone will want to.

      • FistsofNeil25

        I think Chirp is asking why should he continue to support a team that isn’t committed to winning? And it’s a very good question.

        • spezzerman

          I know the team shouts budget a lot and it scares people, rightfully so. But personally, I dont see this team has gotten worse in any season since 2011. Believe me, I am skeptical, but not throwing money at Hemsky is a smart move, not an entirely “stick to the budget” move

          • FistsofNeil25

            I have no problem with letting Hemsky walk. I won’t lose any sleep over it. My first comment was “Hemsky isn’t worth $5 500 000, internal budget or not.”

          • spezzerman

            I was initially responding to Chirp, who seems to prefer throwing money at Hemsky to give him a sense of relief that money will be spent. I’m waiting to see what Ryan does to get that sense of relief.

      • SensChirp

        To be honest, it’s not even the on-ice results that concern me. It’s the off ice decisions and the idea that “budget” ends up being the deciding factor in all of them.

        • spezzerman

          The Sens are terrible at sending the messages, always the wrong ones, I grant you that. I’m still putting all my eggs in the Bobby Ryan basket. Hemsky isnt going to make or break this team.

          • FistsofNeil25

            But what is Bobby Ryan? He’s a good player, but he’s not going to carry the team on his back. He’s more comparable to Van Riemsdyke, Neal, Pavelski etc than he is to Kane, Perry, Benn.

            He’s a good player to have but he’s hardly a guy you build a hockey team around.

          • spezzerman

            I agree, but he is only going to re-sign if he is comfortable with the direction the team is going. He has no commitment to the Sens, he has earned his right to be a UFA and if he is willing to forgo that to sign in Ottawa, it speaks volumes.

            Hemsky on the other hand is chasing a center. He admits that, which is entirely fine and he has earned that right. But Bobby Ryan has been around a year, he has seen and heard a lot more of what is going on behind the scenes. If he is willing to commit to Ottawa, I am breathing a huge sigh of relief.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Got it! Well said. I’ll be a little more at ease if we re-sign Bobby as well. I just hope we don’t overpay the guy to keep him here. I want to see a fair deal for both sides.

            We’ll see if he wants to be here though. I know he says he does but actions speak louder than words and I won’t believe he’s staying until the ink is dry on his contract extension!

        • runningbear1974

          Everyone has a budget… For lots of teams that happens to be the salary cap… If we sign Ryan and trade Spezza, then we should be extremely proud of the off-ice decisions… They’re the right ones…

      • Doc

        Nothing Chirp said was in regards to last season.

        Open your eyes. Things aren’t going well for the Sens, and it starts at the top.

        • spezzerman

          My eyes are wide open, relax.

          • Doc

            It’s just silly that people disregard our current problems so easily, and then blame them on ‘one bad season’.

            This has been going on for a while now, and has been brought to light extensively in the last year.

            Buckle up, things will only get worse before they get better…

          • spezzerman

            I’m not disregarding anything. I’m skeptical but I will say it again, if Bobby Ryan signs this summer, I am feeling pretty good about where this team is going and how the players believe in the commitment to getting there. If he doesn’t…well…

          • runningbear1974

            boo… Just to point out… Tookie agrees with you…
            The Next Generation of Senators will be the first real Senators team that actually have a legitimate chance of winning the cup…

          • Tooks

            Yeah because we have a slew of Toews and Kane’s or Doughty’s and Keith’s or Zetterberg’s or Datsyuk’s or Chara’s and Lucic’s in our system…sigh

          • peetypuck

            So how many more games did Zetterberg, Datsyuk and Alfie play than the Sens this year? lol

          • Doc

            So we’ll be contenders soon? Got it.

            Remember to pass it on the left hand side.

          • Tooks

            Well you might need glasses…

          • runningbear1974

            I’m with you… I look to the future and it looks good… The problem were the old guys…

    • The Apostle

      Because I get my enjoyment from the playing of the games. Might not be popular, might even be defeatist but that doesn’t change whether we win or lose.

      Doesn’t mean I don’t care how the team does, doesn’t mean I don’t want the team to win, doesn’t mean I don’t want the team to succeed. Doesn’t mean I don’t want the owner to spend. Doesn’t mean I am any more or any less of a fan than anybody else on here.

      Whether we are or are not perennial Stanley Cup contenders does not affect my level of support.

      It might affect my specific hours of enjoyment at the game and occasionally increase my frustration levels but long ago, I came to terms with the fact that in sports you often spend your money to be disappointed.

      • Doc

        But there’s also a difference between supporting your team at home, and supporting your team at the arena.

        I stopped with the later.

        • The Apostle

          There is. I like going to games.

          Seems strange that I would stop doing something I enjoy doing.

          Doesn’t make your way of supporting or my way of supporting better than the other.

          • Doc

            TRAITOR!!1!

            But in all honestly, something will have to give sooner rather than later. The next few weeks will be very telling.

          • The Apostle

            Blame the Government, that’s what I always do.

            I mean blame/thanks the Government for me going back to the UK. Obviously blame Melnyk for the state of the team.

          • runningbear1974

            I don’t blame Melnyk for the state of our team… I blame our leadership group… They are the ones that failed… Melnyk and Murray are building up an impressive group of players… Keep it up…

          • Tooks

            And who kept that Leadership group, Melnyk and Murray, why?

        • runningbear1974

          I went to a bunch of games 2 years ago… In the shortened season because I enjoyed that team… I reluctantly went to one game last year because I hate that team…
          I will be very happy to go and cheer for Puemple and Lazar…
          I will not go cheer for Hemsky…

    • runningbear1974

      Because you enjoy the players on the team and the way they play… I love cheering for underdogs… I love watching the players develop…
      I hate the skilled entitled players… (Spezza, Alfie, Hemsky, Heatley… )

      you guys are overdramatic, and ungrateful for what Melnyk has done…

      I am extremely disappointed in the Senators fan base… That’s why I started commenting on this board, because I disagree with your views…

      You guys want Hemsky and Spezza, points but no grit… You guys whine and complain about Melnyk, 3 years of rebuild, what a bunch of whiners… He spent to the cap all the other times (he gets no credit for that)… He spent on Kovalev and Gonchar… He paid Heatley, Spezza, and Alfie 7 million a year… Gave Fisher a huge contract…

      You guys were complaining all year about Maclean… Complaining about Melnyk… And then praising how freaking awesome Spezza is…

      I disagree with the majority of you guys…

      I want a Senators team I can be proud of… I want examples of players that I can
      show my kids and be proud of… I’m sick of what the Senators have been… Skilled, entitled, ungrateful types…

      I don’t know what you’re cheering for, but I’m loving this team going forward… I
      hate the old team… I’m all about the Next Generation with a focus on winning in
      the playoffs…

      You can keep cheering for Hemsky on whatever team he goes to, or keep cheering for Spezza, or Havlat, of Alfie… Or whatever… These are all players I don’t want on my team…

      We have never ever won a playoff series where we were the underdogs… Why the hell is that? It’s because we’ve always had 1 dimensional entitled players…

      • SensChirp

        You seem like a nice fellow and all and I do appreciate a different perspective from mine around these parts but this is one of the most ridiculous comments I have read on these boards. And that is saying a lot.

        • runningbear1974

          So, your point, is that my point is ridiculous?
          I’m not a moron… I’m a thoughtful person… I tried having smart conversations but I get shut down quick because I’m not one of the Spezza loving, Melnyk hating group…
          Cheer for whatever you want… Enjoy whatever you want… I am personally embarrassed by Spezza’s play… He doesn’t represent me, he doesn’t represent what I value, he doesn’t represent what I believe it takes to be a winner…
          You guys are whiners and you lack the empathy to see things through either Melnyk’s perspective or Maclean’s…
          That’s fine, i’ll add “ridiculous” to the rest of the comments I get…

          • SensChirp

            Just so I’m sure I understand where you are coming from here- What is Melnyk’s perspective that you refer to?

          • peetypuck

            Why is it so important for Melnyk to spend to the cap while the Sens are rebuilding? The Rangers and Laffs did that for years and all it made them was laughing stocks of the league when they regularly missed the playoffs. Melnyk paid the money when the Sens were a playoff team. Now they’re a rebuilding team.

          • SensChirp

            What does that mean? That they are a rebuilding team? Is there a time frame on that because the one they sold us was three years. Does it feel like they are ramping up to make a push next season?

          • peetypuck

            “What does that mean?” Usually a rebuilding team trades off it’s older players for prospects and draft picks mainly. It’s hard to tell where the Sens are now. Last year, with our so-called stars back they stunk the joint out. The year before without Spezza, Michalek and EK they went two rounds into the playoffs. We won’t know how the team will look until Bryan Murray trades Spezza and whomever else that he has on the block. If he takes back prospects and draft picks then it will be obvious the rebuild is still on. Frankly, I think we could use a couple more high draft picks if we want to be contenders in the future.

          • runningbear1974

            Alfie hurt the team… Spezza not doing defence, not playing well with Ryan, not getting along with the coach hurt us badly… Two players we were hoping would help the transition actually hurt us badly…

          • FistsofNeil25

            How the hell did Alfie hurt the team?! by leaving you mean?

          • runningbear1974

            yes… by leaving he hurt the team… It was a shock to everyone… Everyone was hurt by that decision…

          • WaitingSince92

            I think Alfie was genuinely hurt too – and disappointed.

          • runningbear1974

            Melnyk’s perspective is that he’s paid a lot of money to certain players and didn’t get the right return… You can’t buy loyalty, you can’t buy performance…

          • Doc

            Actually you can.

            There’s a direct correlation between spending and winning in the NHL.

          • peetypuck

            I hope you don’t use the Laffs as an example.

          • FistsofNeil25

            How about the Kings? Hawks? Rangers? Bruins? Blues? Penguins?

          • peetypuck

            The Rangers? Pure luck. They’re another example like the Laffs.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Nah, the Leafs are incompetent. Rangers at least have a very good group of players, and one of the best back-ends in all of hockey.

            St Louis, Nash, Stepan, Kreider, Richards, Zuccarello, Brassard, Hagelin, Pouliot. That looks like a pretty good top 9 to me.

            McDonagh, Giradri, Staal. That’s as good of a 1-2-3 d group you’ll find in the NHL. Few can rival that.

            And of course they have Lundqvist.

            That’s not lucky. That’s a good team right there.

          • peetypuck

            It only took Sather almost forever to put a winning team together even though the Rangers have been a cap ceiling team every year. Pure Luck.

          • FistsofNeil25

            At least they’re trying to put a winning team together.

          • peetypuck

            They’re one of the main culprits that pushed player’s salaries up by outbidding the other teams. Now they have to build their team through the draft. Isn’t that what Murray is doing?

          • runningbear1974

            Good point… They’re finally building a team by developing players, and only now are they getting some success… It wasn’t always spending to the cap that led to success… Spending to the cap would have hurt their development efforts.. (Who do you give that spot to, a young upcoming player, or a proven UFA?)… Sometimes you have to choose a young upcoming player… The senators need to focus on that, with a bit of UFA here and there…

          • runningbear1974

            The senators are trying to put a winning team together… Your comment seems to imply they’re not… This year was terrible, if it wasn’t we would not be complaining… One off year for some reason… Could be loss of Alfie, could be Spezza, could be coach, could be the number of players playing terrible, or it could be the budget… Choose whatever excuse makes you feel better…

          • Doc

            See what I meant earlier?

            Yeah. Silly.

          • WaitingSince92

            The point is, you can spend to the cap and suck, but you can’t be a contender if you’re bottom 5 in team payroll. I think any examples you could find (I can’t find any) would be the exception that proves the rue.

          • Doc

            Luck? Good god…

            Not even sure why I respond anymore…

          • Jakester

            Exactly they lucked into St Louis, otherwise they would’ve been gone in Round one! Sens are on the right track, they’ll spend when the time is right.

          • peetypuck

            Don’t worry RB1974. Some people think that their opinions are the only ones that count. That’s not true. Calling your opinion ridiculous is just a ruse to humiliate you for daring to have your own opinion. It’s a form of verbal bullying that we should not have to tolerate. After all, we are supposedly all Sens fans here.

          • WaitingSince92

            I don’t think you should take sport this seriously.

            It’s clear that you’ve thought a lot about this, but I think you should know that it’s the way you talk about playing styles you don’t like as if they’re societal ills.

            You don’t have to like Spezza or hate Melnyk (I do neither, although I don’t particularly like Eugene), but try not to get so angry when other fans do.

      • Andrews theory

        if you are ok with being a cap floor team indefinitely, that’s your perogative.
        Fans were not the ones to suggest a rebuild on the fly approach and accordingly, Melnyk gives the green light to ensure we are good enough for mediocrity nothing more, nothing less.
        Reality is short of the Maple Leafs, people will open their wallet for a winner or on the basis of hope where a plan has been laid out.
        Melnyk has changed his tune numerous times in the last two years and in doing so discredited himself as well as the organizations which had built up a strong reputation in the last 15 years

        • runningbear1974

          1) We will not be a cap floor indefinitely… We will always be a budget team… That budget may go up depending on the success of the team financially.
          2) I was under the impression that it was Murray that suggested a rebuild… We needed to get more assets into our system before we could be a legitimate cup contender…
          3) Strong reputation? In what sense? Come to Ottawa and get paid? Or come to Ottawa and win the cup? We were never really a cup contender in the last 15 years…

          • Captain Karl

            I believe we will be a cap team again when the time is right. I believe that it is the goal to be a cup contender by 2017 when the team celebrates their 25th anniversary.
            The only thing I will disagree with you about is that we were cup contenders for a few years especially the year that Hasek had his aductor injury. I really think we would have won that year had he played.

      • peetypuck

        You’re right. Our skilled players have never had the grit needed to be champions. Just look at winners like Jonathan Toews, etc. or lesser skilled players like Bickel and Shaw who shine when the games really count.

      • Doc

        Silly bear is silly.

        Does your fantasy land have rainbows and gum drops too?

        • runningbear1974

          I guess I can add “silly” to the list of responses I get…

        • peetypuck

          Doc, don’t talk so ridiculous. It’s just plain silly of you.
          I notice that you criticize everyone else here but rarely ever put out your own opinions. What’s your thoughts about rebuilding the team?

          • Doc

            I refuse to take part in this non-sense you call ‘discussions’. It’s a pissing contest at best.

            We should have rebuild in 11′ when it was the time, not retool.

            I’ve never hidden my opinions either. You should already know where I stand on all this.

          • peetypuck

            Let’s all stop with the “silly” and “ridiculous” comments. They’re not needed and certainly are not productive.
            Sorry, I must have missed your opinion on the rebuild. I’ve only been reading this blog for a year and change. I agree (20/20 hindsight?) that the team should have gone into a full rebuild back in ’11. Since we didn’t it’s going to prolong it for another year or two. We have to be careful not to get into a losing rut like the Oilers though.

      • Captain Karl

        I’m totally with you Man. I can’t wait to see what the next generation can accomplish. Time to finish the purge (although I will be sad to see Neiler go). It will be great to watch this team grow.

    • TookieIs100PercentRight

      You shouldn’t. Spending is a two-way street. I need to see a commitment from ownership that our best players will be paid. When I see that, then my wallet comes out. Wonder how many people will rush to renew seasons year after year if Spezza, Michalek, Hemsky leave? What if Karlsson has enough in 4-5 years? Will Melnyk keep saying only idiots spend to the cap?
      TOOKS100OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      • runningbear1974

        I don’t think people are paying to go see Michalek or Hemsky… Spezza is a big name, so some people will pay for that…
        The worse thing for me is when players are over paid… I liked Bonk, until he got paid too much… Fisher was ok, until he got overpaid… Spezza at 5 million, awesome… At 7 million, he’s bullshit… What about Kovalev at 5 million? Did you go out an buy tickets because he joined the team?
        I like the fact that Turris is grateful to be here… Spezza doesn’t seem grateful, even though he’s made millions and millions, he still seems to feel that we owe him, more than what he owes us? Should we try and buy his loyalty?

    • WaitingSince92

      Well, you don’t have to.

      You could stop, but it’s more than a little tough to just ditch such strong a allegiance to a team, and owners sometimes bank on that, taking fans for granted because they love the sport/team.

      Very good point though. Nobody wants to become the Leafs of, I guess was the 80 and early 90s, where the owner knew his team was so popular, he could spend fuck-all on the franchise and people would come and watch them lose anyway.

      The good (or perhaps bad) news is that Ottawa is different because we don’t have the lengthy history to inspire devotion, or a large population from which to draw a fanbase.

      Twenty-nine teams lose every year, but what keeps fans interested/hopeful is the chance of a Stanley Cup. Even if you know you’re not going to win this year, the idea that you’re building, improving and putting pieces together is enough.

      Sorry that turned a little ranty near the end there.

  • Tooks

    League sources say the top candidates to acquire Spezza are in the West because Murray hasn’t really been willing to entertain much interest from the East — including Florida and the Rangers.

    The Anaheim Ducks, St. Louis Blues, Nashville Predators and Vancouver Canucks are all believed to have an interest in Spezza, who had 23-43-66 points in 75 games last season.
    “The issue the Senators are facing is they aren’t going to get as good a player back if they deal Jason Spezza,” said a league executive Tuesday.

    “You don’t get No. 1 centres just anywhere. Guys who get those kinds of points are hard to come by. They’ll get a No. 1 pick in the draft but that guy isn’t going to help them anytime soon. He’ll be an impact player down the road.”

    Before Murray can make a deal for Spezza, he has to determine his asking price. As we reported last month, it’s believed to be a No. 1 pick in 2014, a top six player who can help immediately and a good prospect already in the system.

    • hq8

      isnt that the typical trade template. lets face it, noone is going to exchange their #1 centre for ours – no incremental value in that. i do wonder though what could be gained from vancouver – Kesler maybe? but wouldnt that make their centre lineup a little aged up front with Sedins both 30+ and Spezza now also 30

      • Tooks

        Maybe both Sedins are included? I wouldnt trade with VAN tho…
        Most recent rumour is ANA Bonino the main piece coming back.

        • hq8

          yikes – that would be drastic. but would most definitely make Melnyk sell his house and live on the street.

      • FistsofNeil25

        We need a player(s) who will be in their prime when we’re ready to contend. Kesler will be passed his.

      • Andrews theory

        how bout Thornton for Spezza with a couple peices thrown in to cloud the value lol…

  • Miguel

    so once again I have to question why we would have traded away ( granted only a 3rd and a 5th ) for a rental, when this team really did not stand a shot at going anywhere this past season? We should have been selling at the deadline, with some dead weight especially the “Big SLOW Rig” as well as other spare parts, to improve for next year. Next year right now looks about as bad a season as I can remember, with a shakey defense, and now little to no offenseive threat and little PP success.
    Next season we are looking at a decent 2nd line, and barely a 3rd line and 2 barely 4th lines…
    This is going to be tough to sign a Ryan type player to an extension
    shaping out to be a very long season… I really hate when other say this, but we are well on our way to McDavid sweepstakes

    • Doc

      Look at it another way then: The Hemsky trade increased Spezza’s value.

      • Miguel

        yes that is certainly an interesting perspective… that is thinking outside the box, and glass half full :-)

    • A-Train

      I think the simplest explanation is the best. At the time of the Hemsky trade they were still very much in the playoff hunt. They had a chance to do a low-cost deal for a good player they’d always liked so they took a shot.

      And I understand your frustration but there has never been a deal that sold-off assets at the deadline during a playoff push.

  • Pasky

    I would be happy if Berglund was the main piece coming back in a Spezza trade. I would prefer Shattenkirk but that might be more of a pipe dream than anything. I think the biggest factor in Berglund is that he can also slot on the LW, which we aren’t very deep in. If Michalek walks then we are left with MacArthur, Hoffman and Greening…

    So if we slot Berglund next to Zibanejad to start the year with maybe Stone, then it gives us a good defensive line that can drive possession and chip in at least 50 goals between the 3 of them. That can leave Lazar open for his 9 game tryout, and also gives Pageau or Da Costa if he’s resigned a shot at it too. Worse case scenario we slot him back at the Center position and find some help on the wing.

    • FistsofNeil25

      We need a player with more offensive than Berglund as the main piece in that trade. He’s a decent addition but we’re losing our first line center and two top six wingers this summer. Berglund can replace the offense that Michalek contributed but he need more than that.

      • Pasky

        Zib was scoring at a 0.48 ppg while playing only 14 minutes a game with 4th line players for the most part. Give him competent wingers and the 18 minutes a game Spezza was getting and he can vastly improve on his 33 points last year.

        A healthy Ryan will improve on his 48 points from last season, which in turn may bump Turris and MacArthur although I’d be happy if they stick to their 58 and 55 points respectively.

        We’re not going to replace Spezza’s offense on this trade though, so we have to make do with what we get.

        • Zelle

          When you don’t have the offense you have to play it tight defensively. Hopefully they all bite on that system this coming season.

          • s3nsfan75

            Seriously speaking though, Spezza scored how many points last year 66? So if you increase your defensive game and reduce the number of goals allowed even by 20, then if you can get your younger players and any players you get back in spezza deal to cover the 46 points that really isn’t that insurmountable. That’s not even thinking about increased point totals possibly from Turris, Macarthur and Ryan,

          • runningbear1974

            It’s not hard to get the players to buy into a system when the leaders buy into the system…

          • Tooks

            Mmmm yeah cant wait to watch our epic defensive battles with our non skill players. Sludge fest at the CTC.

            I’m sure that will sell alot of tix, lol.

          • Zelle

            I personally didn’t buy tickets to see Spezza play on the off chance he might have a ‘wow’ moment. I like low scoring, defensive games / goalie battles. I like structure, smooth passes, big hits, and most of all wins. If playing a more “boring” game as some would say gets the wins, I’ll be a happy fan.

          • runningbear1974

            I hope me agreeing with you doesn’t make you lose credit with the rest of the fan base…
            I’m not paying for Spezza… But, i’ll pay for Turris, and Lazar…

          • Zelle

            xD I don’t care if I have cred or not with the fan base. We’re all fans and have our own opinions on the team and how it’s built. In the end I’d like to think we all just want them to win and hoist the Cup some day, no matter how it’s done.

          • runningbear1974

            I would like to win a cup, but I’m also enjoying the process of developing a strong team… The goal is good, but the process is good too… I’ve been cheering for the sens for 20 years or so… It’s obviously not the cup winning that has me coming back… (I was giving up on the team 3 years ago, until the rebuild, that pulled me back in)…
            I was just joking about the credit thingy…

          • Jakester

            Yeah Spezz was responsible for more giveaways than the actual team last year(the free stuff they leave on the seats). Just kidding as to not start a fight in here again!

    • sprucesens

      getting back an unsigned RFA arguably 3rd line player, for a PPG 1C is not enough. Berglund can be a complimentary piece, but it would be like us throwing in gryba in a deal. Young and big with potential, and does what he does do, well, but in reality is mostly a bottom pairing D and PK.

  • Pasky

    Another point I’d like to mention is that as bad as people say we were last year, we missed the playoffs by 5 points last year. Yes we’re going to lose our 2nd line but as long as we replace some of that offense while improving our defensive play it should balance out. I’m by no means saying that we should plan the parade but to say that we’re a lottery team next season might be a bit of a stretch. Although we have to wait and see what kind of return Spezza nets us, as well as any other trade/signing we do.

    I’m not quite ready for the doom and gloom yet lol

    • runningbear1974

      Next year, we’ll have a team we can be proud to cheer for… They will have to work hard to achieve anything…

  • Garrioch’s reliable source

    I recall that Ottawa traded for Hemsky because they were going to make a serious effort to resign him.

    What changed in the last couple of months ?

    • Pasky

      Spezza leaving means Hemsky loses his offensive centerman. Add the fact that he’s asking more than the Sens are willing to pay and it sums it up pretty good.

    • FistsofNeil25

      The team realized that Hemsky wasn’t going to give us a hometown discount just because he played here for 6 weeks.

    • Doc

      Nothing.

      You might just have a different view of what ‘serious’ means.

      • Garrioch’s reliable source

        HMMMM – OK – – I recall a BM press conference in which he said some very positive things about AH and his future in Ottawa.

        A follow up question would be why did Ottawa bother to trade for him in the first place ? A panic move ?

        • FistsofNeil25

          They hoped that Hemsky would spark some kind of miracle run to make the playoffs.

          • BeJamin

            Nothing changed. We have a cheapskate owner who won’t pay to deliver a good product. End of story. Team won’t be good until he’s gone. We’ll most likely get a weaker return for Spezza because of Thornton, Stastny & Grabo being available. At least, weaker than what we’re going to want.

          • runningbear1974

            Hemsky is not good product, he’s not worth 5.5 million… Instead might as well go for Statsny at 7.5 million…

        • SensChirp

          They absolutely wanted to sign him. But on their terms and within in their budget. Didn’t work out.

          • runningbear1974

            That is disappointing that the absolutely wanted him… I thought we were going for playoff type players? Hemsky is not that… Boo to Hemsky, boo to wanting Hemsky…

          • FistsofNeil25

            Gotta continue building with more players like Greening… you know, playoff type guys.

          • runningbear1974

            What about Lazar and Puempel? They look like playoff types…
            Greening is a 4th line type player… I’m not sure why you’re mentioning his name…

          • FistsofNeil25

            Because the organization has pretty much prioritized locking up replaceable depth players like Greening and Phillips to overpriced contracts instead of acquiring top 6 talent.

          • FistsofNeil25

            I’m not saying Hemsky is the right guy to build around, but he would have been a decent place holder in our top six until guys like Stone, Puempel and Lazar are ready for that kind of role you know?

            It’s not like Hemsky is a long term solution. We need to find a couple top six forwards to fill in short term until our prospects are ready to take the next step. You don’t want to throw young players into the fire before they’re ready for the challenge. That’s a damn good way to ruin your prospects.

      • sprucesens

        yeah, I’m not sure this management/ownership knows what its doing anymore. Did we want hemsky to come here, and look bad, then sign for less? Did we expect him to come here, look good, and expect less? a .5 mill increase over a 2 year old contract is not unreasonable by any means. Again, not saying hemsky is the right player, but if the organization felt he was gonna be enough to get them to the playoffs at the deadline, and he was certainly one of our top forwards during his time here, how do we not make a more legitimate offer to keep the guy? I love our young players and all, but we can’t pay them big money. We have to pay someone. Why not a guy who came in a played great with us? Sometimes I just don’t understand this organization, from the coaches to the ownership. I hope murray has something else big up his sleeve, or its going to be a long, slow rebuild process starting all over again.

        • runningbear1974

          Why the hell is a guy that scores 20 goals worth 5.5 million? Not in my world… He’s not worth it… I’m disappointed we were even talking to him, unless we were offering 3.5 million…
          He’s not going to be the reason we win the cup…

          • Tooks

            With Spezza for a full year he would have put up 30 and that gets you 5Mil.

          • sprucesens

            30 goal scorers now get you 7+ million minimum. I think I had this same convo with runningbear a few days ago, maybe it was someone else. 80 Pt players, or 60-70 point players that get 30 goals, will be paid in excess of 7 million from here on out. 5 years from now it will probably be 10 million. You guys are still stuck in the past of what salaries look like. While I agree its an overpayment, its the reality of today’s new salaries/cap/revenue sharing. The league makes more, the players get paid more.

          • sprucesens

            20 goal guys are pretty much set at 4.5-5.5 now thanks to the way revenues work. You can’t look at deals before the last lockout as a reference that much anymore. Now, if you want to sign those players, it takes more money. Sometimes a bargain can be had on an under appreciated player, like MacA. He was always a 20 goal guy, then got misused in Toronto. We were able to sign him to a cheap contract, at 3.25 I believe? He won’t be resigning next year for less 4, and is likely to get closer to 5, especially playing on our top line. And he will likely remain in the 20-25 goal range

          • runningbear1974

            How much a player gets paid makes a huge difference in how I feel about them…

    • runningbear1974

      We were stuck trying to find someone to play with Spezza… Now Spezza is leaving…

    • Andrews theory

      also, definining “serious offer” is a slippery slope.
      My guess is Sens were closer to 3.5 and Hemsky will sign for about 4.75 for 2 years somewhere.

    • Miguel

      yes another recent trade that the Sens have lost out on.
      I know BM has a couple of past great trades, but recently he has lost, this one for he playoff run… and the Bishop one will go down as one of the worst trade in Sens history

      • Andrews theory

        i wouldnt worry about it too much given they can’t draft NHL players beyond the first round anyways.

        The Bishop one wouldnt have been as bad if Euge didnt handcuff Murray by forcing him to put him on waivers. Conacher will be a decent player in this league

  • FistsofNeil25

    The funny thing is that Hemsky will probably end up taking less money that the 5.5 he’s demanding from the Sens to play for a team that has a better chance of winning. The onyl chance he has of getting 5.5 per year is from a team like Florida or Phoenix.

    • Andrews theory

      watch— Spezza will be traded to Pheonix and Hemsky will sign there along with Michalek
      bam

      • sprucesens

        I’d be ok with that, just so long as we get top players back. they have lots of top D I’d like, and we could trade spezza, as well as michalek and hemsky’s rights for OEL. ….and FIGHT

      • Rafi Bomb

        And then Phoenix fans will be pissed off when they all get injured at the same time for an extended period and they need to find a new second line from their farm team.

        • peetypuck

          What Phoenix fans? lol

          • Rafi Bomb

            What an epic post lol. I’m sure they have around 10-15 that actually give a shit about what is happening with the team.

    • Rafi Bomb

      Would his body even survive a cup run? Watching that Blackhawks-Kings series and seeing the intensity of those two teams makes me wonder how quickly it would take Spezza, Michalek and Hemsky to be injured if they had to play in a series that intense.

  • ProfessorPower

    Nows our chance to get a good top 6 imo, put Hemsky in a package to a contender (verbal agreement that he will sign with the team).

    There were some rumors that James Neal asked for a trade, he kind of squashed the rumors in a tweet but you never know if there was some merit to it and he was possibly covering it up. He would be a great addition, him and Bobby Ryan in our top 6 ooooh baby (26 and 27 years old)

    I have no idea what Pitts needs are, but if you can get Hemsky to say he’ll sign there (which he most likely will) you increase his trade value to that team immensely.

    Something like Hemskys rights + Puempel + Greening/Condra to start?

    • FistsofNeil25

      That’s terrible for Pittsburgh. That’s essentially Puempel for Neal lol

      • ProfessorPower

        no (facepalm), its Hemsy who ther=y are 100% confident to sign, pumpel, and Greening for depth..and i said to start

        fucking read

        • FistsofNeil25

          Hemsky’s rights are worth around a 6th or 7th round draft pick, and Greening and Condra are worth a 5th or 6th at best. So yeah, essentially Puempel for Neal. Bravo!

          • ProfessorPower

            no, Hemsky is worth Hemsky..they will be having Hemsky on there team.. his rights alone to a team thats hoping to keep him then ya a 6th rounder.

            and that still doesnt make any sense.. its not essentially Puempel for Neal you moron

          • FistsofNeil25

            And they can have Hemsky on their team without giving up Neal by signing him as a free agent. Hemsky’s UFA rights have no value at all.

          • ProfessorPower

            This post was about the potential of Neal wanting to get moved you fucking blind mother fucker…If Neal truly doesnt want to move he wont be getting moved at all

          • FistsofNeil25

            Wow just because you made an absolutely ridiculous trade proposal doesn’t mean you have to get all defensive. Relax man…

            I thought the post was about us offering a package for Neal which you then would include one piece of value (Puempel) and a bunch of trash that isn’t worth anything. Oh yeah… my bad, that was just to start..I’m a blind motherfucker lol

          • ProfessorPower

            This post was about the potential of Neal WANTING to get moved. The potential of Hemsky to be put in a larger package to a team where he will want to sign so they don’t take on any risk. ie Hemsky has more value to Pittsburgh than Buffalo.

            it was a start, as in its NOT an offer.. its something to build around. Your not blind.. just dumb

          • FistsofNeil25

            Right so maybe if we add Smith, Gryba and UFA rights to Jim O’brien we can get them to send us Malkin? Like that’s just to start though, obviously we can add more..

            To Ottawa

            Malkin + Neal

            To Pittsburgh

            Puempel + Greening + Smith + Gryba + UFA rights to Hemsky + UFA rights to O’Brien TO START

            Thoughts?

          • ProfessorPower

            your just a little fucker arnt you.. keep holding you dick at night ther bud. Not worth the discussion

            you could have logically said, just as Tooks basically did, “we would have to add Zib/lazar types and thats not worth it”

            but no you further proved my judgment of you. FistofFag’s a dumb cunt :)

          • FistsofNeil25

            I don’t know what you’re so mad about? I thought this post was just to talk about the possibility of Neal wanting out of Pittsburgh?

          • ProfessorPower

            can you just fuck off

          • FistsofNeil25

            Hemsky’s UFA rights + Greening + Puempel for Neal

            Done deal! Why didn’t you just say so?

          • ProfessorPower

            okay im actually going to beat the shit out of you..im back in Ottawa this weekend and il shoot you a message

          • FistsofNeil25

            haha you’re a funny lad.

          • ProfessorPower

            better not bitch out tough guy

          • Max Power

            http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Paul-Stewart/James-Neal-The-Poster-Child-for-Whats-Wrong-With8230/196/58889

            he sounds like a doosher to me, maybe don’t want

            i will fight you all

          • ProfessorPower

            A fellow Power…..Max Power…I though I was the only one left of our kind.

          • EK65

            Oh you are the only one of your “kind” alright, just not the only Power.

          • ProfessorPower

            you are not worthy of the Power conversation

          • Max Power

            No my friend, we have been spread far and wide, but our allegiance is one that transcends space and time. The power of power echoes throughout the ages.

            Never lose faith young professor. Hemsky’s rights are the key to the universe.

          • ProfessorPower

            hahaa too hilarious

          • EK65

            *Grabs popcorn*

          • ProfessorPower

            Sunday

          • FistsofNeil25

            So what are we thinking then? Sword fight? pistol duel? street fight? jousting?

          • ProfessorPower

            ill figure it out when i find you

          • EK65

            Spelling Bee!

          • FistsofNeil25

            ahhhh I think I’d have that one in the bag though! Wouldn’t be much of a competition.

          • ProfessorPower

            stop acting like this isnt going to happen

          • FistsofNeil25

            So like what are you going to tell people? ”

            “Yo I gotta fight this guy from the SensChirp comment section because he said my trade proposal was terrible. He’s gonna get what’s coming to him!”

          • ProfessorPower

            im not gonna tell anybody anything. Your gonna meet up with me this weekend or you are going to stay at home scared. Im hoping you meet me

          • FistsofNeil25

            I guess you will be disappointed to find out I don’t even live in Ottawa. Sorry to crush your dreams!

            Anyway we should probably put an end to this before Chirp does lol I’m sure people aren’t thrilled to be reading all this garbage, but it was entertaining while it lasted!

            You’re not bad ProfessorPower! Thanks for the laugh :)

            and when we trade Puempel + Greening + UFA rights to Hemsky for James Neal I will be sure I give you the credit for calling ti first!

          • ProfessorPower

            well this is disappointing…you win this time FistsofNeil…..THIS TIMEEEEEEEEEEEE

            I had you goin pretty good though, lets admit :)

          • FistsofNeil25

            haha I don’t know if you had me going. I think we were both just having a bit of fun and had everyone else going lol

          • Doc

            Ah, I remember my first beer.

          • ProfessorPower

            fuck you too :) And I post with my phone so let’s relax with the grammar police.

          • Doc

            2 beers and a cookie and I’m all yours.

          • ProfessorPower

            hmmm….depends on the cookie

          • JL

            Not a fair fight. Just open up with ‘their’

          • Doc

            Hahahaha no kidding.

            Then follow up with “you’re”.

          • Tooks

            Sweet our first SensChirp sponsored street fight!

          • ProfessorPower

            haha havnt we all had that fantasy where we beat the crap out of the guy online. Its finally happening for me:)

          • FistsofNeil25

            Aren’t you excited? Tickets are selling for $75 a piece. All proceeds go towards the Senators to increase their internal budget.

          • Pasky

            Woah…

            The internet does not allow other opinions apparently.

          • EK65

            Hahahahahahahahaha Take him to School Professor!

          • The Apostle

            is that a 24 or 48 hour release?

          • Andrews theory

            A BATTLE OF WITTS I SEE LOL…
            glad i logged on for a few minutes for some good ole fashion verbal jousting….
            not sure that i would want Neal all that much- Dallas cut bait on him and so will Pitts.

          • ProfessorPower

            yes beacuse hes an asshole like Perry.. we need more assholes on our team lol

          • SensChirp

            Yeesh. Gettin’ chippy in here today

          • ProfessorPower

            no…its getting ‘Chirpy’ ;)

          • Max Power

            I’d go with “Chirpy”

          • Max Power

            Can we please make this fight actually happen chirp?

            Only you have the power

          • SensChirp

            Well actually you and the professor are the ones with the Power.

            Maybe they can strap on gloves and a helmet, sign a waiver, and settle the score at the Sens Summer Fan Fest?

          • FistsofNeil25

            A good ole’ fashion Helmet and Glove bout would be pretty sick.

          • Doc

            I’d do that in a heart beat.

          • EK65

            You’re*

          • Doc

            I’m not going to add fuel to your little rants (real cute by the way), but if you want people to take you seriously, you should maybe put a little effort in your writing.

            Just a thought.

        • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

          Horrible offer… Laughable

          Fucking use your head

          • ProfessorPower

            TO START

          • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

            Might as well be saying start and end. Murray would be laughed at

          • ProfessorPower

            he likes to laugh..lisp and all

    • Tooks

      Haha keep adding but this time add actual good players…Zibanejad + Puempel + rights to Hemsky could be a start but PIT will ask for more.

      • ProfessorPower

        yes they will ask for more…Hemsky + Puempel + Greening to start is a good building block

        Zib + Puempel + Hemsky is ridiculous. But ya i guess they could be asking for something that high

      • Jakester

        Zibby c’mon, again with the big exaggeration!

    • hq8

      whats funny is that in all the history of SensChirp, the biggest pest (if there was such a thing in comments sections) Tookie has yet to solicit this type of response. somehow FistofNeil25 managed to do it more innocuously. even more ironic, Tookie was the first responder to the Professor’s comment.

    • hq8

      btw, did you clear up adding Neal’s salary with papa Melnyk as a real starter?

    • Rafi Bomb

      That could possibly work as a trade. Puempel is the key piece here and would likely be one of the better prospects they could get in return for Neal. Hemsky’s rights have value but they would likely want to talk wit his agent first. They also would have to be willing to pay at least $5.5 per so that would be the area of concern. The Penguins are looking to improve their bottom six so they may see some value in Greening or Condra. Seeing as they are looking to improve their grit, they would likely see more value in Greening than Condra, but they may not like Greening’s contract.

      Overall it is an interesting proposal because it might be closer to Neal’s trade value then some people think. Their have been some concerns from Penguin’s fans as well as possibly their staff of Neal’s overall discipline and his ability to produce when not playing with Malkin or Crosby. Therefore that may result in a decrease in his overall trade value to some GM’s.

  • FistsofNeil25

    haha way to put all that on Twitter Chirp! Hilarious

    • laffin681021

      I’m currently putting money on you in Vegas for this fight.

  • FBP

    I forgot that we also gave up Conacher for this. At least there are more TV’s in the bathrooms at CTC now.

  • FuzzFace

    @BobRbrts: “Hemsky pulled a 44% possession EDM team up closer to 50 and a 51% OTT team closer to 60%”. He also has a 11.1 SH% on his career. It won’t be long before we find out that he’s worth well over $5.5MM. PAY. THE. MAN.

  • FuzzFace

    “@BobRbrts: Look at Ales Hemsky this year… he pulled a 44% possession EDM
    team up closer to 50 and a 51% OTT team up towards 60 http://twitter.com/BobRbrts/status/474223234276007936/photo/1
    Also, 11.1 career SH%. You guys are delusional to think he’s not worth $5.5M.

    PAY. THE. MAN.

  • FuzzFace

    @BobRbrts: Look at Ales Hemsky this year… he pulled a 44% possession EDM
    team up closer to 50 and a 51% OTT team up towards 60 http://twitter.com/BobRbrts/status/474223234276007936/photo/1

    11.1 career SH%. He’s easily worth $5.5MM.

  • FistsofNeil25

    Can anyone tell me what the Sens plan is? What’s their strategy right now? Aren’t we supposed to know? I don’t have a clue what the team is doing. That’s one of the Senators biggest failures – their inability to communicate with their fanbase. I mean I’m pretty confident in saying that none of us have a definite idea, am I right?

    Three years ago we were told we were going to go through a mini-rebuild, or a “re-tooling period” as the organization liked to call it. We did just that, trading away Fisher, Kelly, Campoli, Ruutu, Kovalev, Elliott etc for draft picks.

    We re-stocked the cupboards through solid draft picks like Zibanejad, Lazar, Puempel, Prince, Pageau, Stone, Ceci, Wiercioch, Hoffman, Lehner, Silfverberg, Noeson, Cowen, Claesson etc

    Made savvy trades for Turris, Ryan, Anderson and Methot and a good free agent acquisition in Clarke MacArthur.

    There are a lot of good pieces listed above, but still a ton of us don’t feel great about the position we’re in. All the traction and excitement that has been built up over the last couple seasons has been crushed by non-stop budget talk, the loss of the face of the franchise Daniel Alfredsson, and now the inevitable Jason Spezza trade.

    This should be the time where we increase the teams payroll and surround our young players with solid veterans for the next few years. Instead, it looks like round two of the rebuild is about to start and it will be another few seasons before this team is considered any kind of threat in the eastern conference, and even then, will our owner be willing to increase payroll and truly go for it?

    All I want to know is that their plan is.

    • sprucesens

      yeah, its a huge question that will be answered this offseason. If we roll with basically what we have, and get only very cheap contracts back for spezza, you have your answer. Budget, and that is all. If we get actual good players back, and make a few expensive free agent signings, while leaving room for 1 or 2 prospects to graduate, then we are actually heading in the right direction

      • Sandy

        They will spend to 56M. That’s what Melnyk & Murray said next year’s budget will be.

    • Senatollah

      they are shitty at communication that’s for sure.
      Gonna keep positive right now and hope GMBM pulls off a better than expected deal for Spezza, signs Ryan long term and extends MacArthur

      I still think the whole budget issue is more politically motivated, its playing out in an US vs Them, Sens/Melnyk vs mayor Watson. Cause the numbers and losses just don’t add up. The Sens have continued their community building in Ottawa and now in Gatineau but where they were once great community leaders (i.e. letting the City/Mayor take the credit) they are now doing this to market themselves direct to the community.

      • Sandy

        Most of the Sens ventures in the community lately have been for mostly children, which they said they will continue.
        Gatineau will get their full support as the haven’t gotten on the wrong side of that mayor..
        Melnyk did spend to the cap before and the team failed. Since then he got out of Biovail, got a divorce and has other companies that are bleeding money. To me, that sums up why he can’t spend on the Sens — even this season with the influx of 40M in new TV revenue..

    • Sandy

      Based on what has gone on the past two seasons with the sudden departure of Alfie and the pending departure of Spezza in reality, the Sens should have done a complete rebuild and included Alfie & Spezza in those trades when they got rid of Fisher, Kelly etc. Both would have gotten the Sens a great return.
      Hindsight is always good.. but them’s the breaks.
      I haven’t read all of the comments on this site yet today.. but with Chirp saying on twitter the comments are getting ugly.
      This site is for Sens fans to voice the comments and opinions. Comments and opinions are neither right nor wrong — they are for discussions only. There is no need to ridicule or bully anyone for what is said on a fan site.
      There will certainly, as we have seen at times, be disagreements, but it’s time to stay classy Sens fans.

  • Sandy

    As for Hemsky — I don’t think he is worth over 5.5M but some other team(s) will.
    I see him a good fit in Montreal because of his speed and scoring skill and would take over for the departed Vanek.
    He could also end up in Tampa, they have forward ranks to fill.
    He could also be that winger for Crosby that the Pens have been looking for…
    It will hurt immensely if he goes to Montreal and 6 times a year puts multiple pucks past the Sens goaltenders..
    We probably won’t hear from Murray, about the plan, until sometime around July 1st…
    Would be interesting what deal(s) are made at the GM meetings coming up during the SCF in NYC.. Seems Murray is only concerned in dealing with West conference teams.. But what if the best return he can get is from the East. Is he limiting the return just because he doesn’t want to see Spezza in the East?
    Spezza may end up in the East in a UFA deal after next season anyway.. so why be so concerned about that?

  • Andrews theory

    I think it’s fairly clear where this team is headed in the off season. If you are holding your breath for some big pick ups this summer you better brace yourself. We would have simply re-signed Hemsky…

    Until Melnyk is gone or swings back to towards Mr Hyde this team is all about cost per points. Eugenes’ most recent comments have re-affirmed that he isn’t in the market to put a winner on the ice, he’s in the market to make this as profitable as possible.

    Consider Eugene the slum lord of the NHL; Invest very little and pull out as much as possible.

    Welcome to the Sens Hood

    The more we accept it as fans the longer this will drag on.

    • ExZen

      Summed up my thoughts exactly. I suspect changes will come after this season when fan apathy starts to eat further into the bottom line of the franchise.

      Already sick of the organizations bullshit attitude of “We want to compete without spending competitively.” Makes the last 2 season reek of half measures in the name of a “mini rebuild” that is wasted on the present. Better off going into full rebuild now, at least then we’ll have an excuse for being a bubble team at best and a lottery team at worst.

      • Senatollah

        Lets assume rumours are true Spezza wants out cause he cant play the way the coach wants. Go to cap geek. Using our current contracts which you can rip up and make right, i.e. cant tell Turris you wont pay him $3.5m because its way too low and would like to pay him his $6-6.5m first line centres should get, can you get to the cap.

        I offered Lehner $2.5m to be backup I couldn’t get close with a realistic roster. Up front with Vanek ($7.2m) and Gaborik ($7.5) on L2 w/Zbad as centre, and on D adding Boyle at $6.6m still left me with over $2m to spare. That would still rank the Sens as 20th overall in spending. Even if the Sens took up the Florida model and bought a new second line (all UFAs) it would take a lot of work to get to the cap ceiling.

        Its almost a victim of their own success in many good contracts plus ELC. And yes, there are a few eyesore contracts, cough Phillips cough cough Greening…

        • Sandy

          What decent UFA is going to sign in Ottawa.. a budget team.. going nowhere close to the playoffs.
          This ‘budget’ will stay until the fans have had enough … or Melnyk pays off his huge debt with the profits from the TV revenues and then has the $$ to spend again.
          Ottawa fans will only go so long with the ‘re-build’ and player development mode..
          You look at teams that made the playoffs this season and try to determine who falls out to make room for the Sens or Leafs or Caps or the Devils, etc.
          With Detroit and Columbus coming over to the East — they took 2 playoff spots and will have them for some time to come..
          It’s getting harder and harder to get into the top 8. A team with young and cheap players like Ottawa has is not getting into the top 8.

      • runningbear1974

        There’s not much we can do to avoid being a bubble team next year… You can’t just go out and grab quality players to play on your team…

  • Skeleton

    Anyone that watched a Sens game or 2 last year knows that Turris’ line is #1.

    • Sandy

      The issue is, this team could just be a one-line team with the rest of the players a lot of young inexperienced ones and Greening, Smith, Neil & Condra..
      Not a team that is going to contend for the playoffs…

      • runningbear1974

        For some reason, this team, with Spezza still wasn’t enough to contend for the playoffs… So, it seems having Spezza certainly wasn’t enough to make that push… So, maybe Spezza isn’t the solution… Or, maybe we need more Spezzas… Maybe if we 2 or 3 of them, then we would contend for playoffs…

        • bluebuyyoo

          Seriously? Spezza was the reason they did not make the playoffs? Get a grip!

          • runningbear1974

            You can blame whoever you want… I have an idea… How about you blame Melnyk and his “budget”… That’s why we didn’t make the playoffs… Given last year’s team, plus Spezza and Karlsson coming off of injury, there was no reason to believe we wouldn’t have a kick ass team this year… But for some reason, we didn’t…
            I do blame Spezza for a lot… I don’t want to go through the list of his bad behaviours… But, bottom line, he didn’t do what the coach asked of him… And yes, I do 100% believe if Spezza wasn’t on this team this year we would have make the playoffs… I guess I also believe in rainbows and unicorns…

          • bluebuyyoo

            There were many problems with the team last year in addition to Spezza. Goaltending, defense, secondary scoring, bizarre coaching decisions and parades to the penalty box all contributed to a shitty season.

            I wouldn’t say you believe in Rainbows and unicorns. I would say that you need to look past Spezza to get the big picture of why the team did not make the playoffs.

      • peetypuck

        I think for most of this year the Sens were a one-line team…Turris, MacA and Ryan. Spezza seemed to being playing for the other team.

  • ProfessorPower

    Once we know what we are getting in return for Spezza I think Murray’s plan will be easier to understand. Prospects like Etem and DSP make sense simply because they are low cost high reward players for the next couple seasons until they inevitably make bank. In that case however, getting forward prospects in return for Spezza, a sign or trade for a defense-man and possibly an additional sign/trade for an established forward will most likely commence.

    We know we need 1) a top 4 defender to either play LHD with Kalrsson or RHD on the second pairing with Cowen or Methot. and 2) a top 6 power forward to play with Zibanejad

    So in the Spezza deal we are either getting one of those pieces, or a prospect/prospects that can eventually turn into one or both of those pieces. Hell we may even be targeting a center in the Spezza deal..so ya I have no clue what the plan is lol My guess is Two trades and One UFA signing this off season

    • Skeleton

      Good post. Basically, the Spezza return will determine who the Sens go after in free agency. That is most likely the reason the Sens will trade Spezza at the draft in my opinion

    • FistsofNeil25

      Yeah the Spezza trade will definitely be telling as far as what we can expect for next season. There seem to be a lot of differing opinions on what Spezza’s trade value actually is. Some people think we can get a good haul for him and other people think all we’ll be able to get is scraps. We’ll see.

      It will definitely be interesting to see if we’re active in the free agent market. Do you think there’s much out there that the Sens could be interested in that would fit in with their budget? Is there another Clarke MacArthur out there?

      • Rafi Bomb

        There aren’t really any MacArthur types but one guy I would keep an eye on is Harry Zolnierczyk. Harry Z has bounced around a few teams and now appears to be on the verge of the player that he is capable of becoming. He has a ton of grit and nastiness to his game (which we really need more of) and he is also a speedster (which is another thing we need more of). I don’t know if we will have to sign him to a one-way or two-way contract but he is a player that could make a decent impact for a low salary.

      • sprucesens

        I would argue the closest macA type is Radim Vrbata. solid 2 way hockey, groomed in a defensive system and still puts up excellent numbers. 27,24,19,35, and 20 are his most recent goal scoring numbers, with points in the 43-62 range. Listed as RW, but I believe played C as well? Could be wrong, maybe it was could play either wing. I don’t remember. Either way, seems like a solid pickup if its a route we take. He was only making 3 mill since 08, so I think we would be comfortable offering him 4-4.5 on a 3 year contract, which he seems to be keen to. This could make our RW look like this: Ryan, Vrbata, Stone, Neil, Condra. Again, if he could play left that would be perfect. Or if any others could move left, we would be ok.

    • runningbear1974

      I like Ceci as the 2nd defensive right handed pairing… If he’s good enough to cover for Phillips, he’s good enough to play on the second pairing…

      • FistsofNeil25

        I think most people are hoping that Ceci will get some sheltered minutes next year. We have to be careful with him and develop him properly. There were nights that he really struggle this season.

        • runningbear1974

          I’m not sure what it takes to develop people properly… But… It must be ridiculous mentally tough to always have to cover for your partner, and knowing he’ll never be able to cover for you…
          That’s the thing I really enjoyed about the Mac Turris Ryan line… They weren’t even close to perfect, they were always making mistakes, but they were always supporting each other to minimize those mistakes… I enjoy that feeling… Being safe because your linemates have your back…
          There’s a highly paid player on our team that never provides that kind of safety to his linemates…

          • FistsofNeil25

            We don’t need to take any more shots at Spezza or his shortcomings. He’s as good as gone.

            We just need to focus on putting out young players in a position to succeed/ We’re putting a lot of responsibility in the hands of Turris, Zibanejad, Stone, Hoffman, Lazar, Ceci, Cowen and if we trade Anderson, Lehner as well.

            You know what happens to teams that put that much pressure responsibility on their young players? They end up like the Islanders, or the Blue Jackets, or the Oilers. They flop.

            I have a ton of faith in the young core of this team, but only as long as we develop and support them properly.

          • runningbear1974

            I agree about developing properly… I’m not sure that playing Ceci with Phillips is developing him properly… I think if you wanted to develop Ceci properly, you play him with Methot…
            How did you know I was taking a shot at Spezza? It could have been any other well paid player that doesn’t support his linemates… It could have been any of those other guys…

          • FistsofNeil25

            You were obviously talking about Spezza lol he’s the only “high” paid player. Anyway..

            And yeah, Methot probably is the best player for Ceci to play with, but that leaves one of Cowen, Phillips or Wiercioch to play 20+ minutes a night with Karlsson. Ouch…

          • sprucesens

            man that’s gross. I hope we trade for a D, lol

          • runningbear1974

            I like the idea of forcing Karlsson to play with a lesser player so he learns to cover their butts… Yeah, at one point, want him to have a superstar that can complement him, but for now, he still has to develop his game… He has to be able to do everything…
            I like Wiercioch and Gryba together as 3rd pairing…

          • FistsofNeil25

            Cowen – Karlsson

            Methot – Ceci

            Wiercioch – Gryba

            Phillips

            Both Cowen and Karlsson struggled so much defensively this season. I fully expect Karlsson to be back to his Norris winning form after a full season of training. Cowen is the real wildcard in that group.

          • Harv

            But, if Cowen can come back it could look pretty good. I like Phillips in the overhead box. Hard to believe he would destroy his reputation just to play bad hockey for two more years.

    • Pasky

      Unfortunately I think that top 6 power forward is looking to be Stewart. Definitely doesn’t fit the bill but from the way Murray was talking about it he seems to already have a deal in place and I think the Stewart deal is good once Buffalo can retain salary again on July 1st. Since teams can only retain salary on 3 contracts at once and Buffalo used it on Ott, Miller and Pominville, the deal was put on hold for the time being. Hopefully Buffalo can take Greening for him and I won’t be as depressed about it.

  • Rafi Bomb

    What’s is with all this complaining about Melnyk being cheap and that we aren’t going to bring in any good players because we didn’t sign Hemsky?

    Signing any player at $5.5M per for multiple years who is injury prone, is average at best defensively, has very little grit or toughness in his game, isn’t necessarily well suited for playoff hockey and hasn’t seen the playoffs since 2006 is simply a bad idea.

    Some of you should be praising Murray and Melnyk for not signing a player like that to a bad contract.

    • runningbear1974

      I agree…

      • Rafi Bomb

        What we need now is playoff style players. That should be the focus at the draft, in any trade we make or any player we sign in the offseason. Anyone who doesn’t fit that style we should avoid entirely.

        • FistsofNeil25

          How would you define playoff style players though? Do you have any players in mind as trade targets and free agent acquisitions? I’m just curious.

          I definitely agree that we need to draft/sign/trade for players that have the ability to elevate their game when the going gets tough, but those players are difficult to find in trades and rarely make it to free agency.

          • Rafi Bomb

            Playoff style players have a ton of grit and play with a ton of intensity. Their will to win is superior to that of the opposition. The Kings are filled with those types of players such as Dustin Brown, Mike Richards, Jarrett Stoll, Drew Doughty, Anze Kopitar and Justin Williams among others. These are the types of players that will do anything it takes to win and simply want it more than the opposition.

            We also need guys that have a real edge to their game and are simply nasty to play against. The types of players that are going to put you through hell just to have the chance to beat them. These are the types if players that really test the will of the opposition and ensure that each game is going to be an absolute war. Players like Chris Neil, Raffi Torres, Andrew Shaw and Derek Dorsett fit this mould.

            Terms such as hyper-competitive, hyper-aggressive and to a lesser extent mean and dirty are accurate descriptions of playoff style players.

            I will have to put a list together of potential UFA’s that fit the bill but there aren’t many and the ones that do will likely be out of our price range. That is why we will be forced to pick up some bargain players and that the type for return we get for Spezza is so key.

          • Harv

            Watching the Kings is an education on why the Sens do not need to work too hard to keep Spezza. He would be virtually useless in this Stanley cup playoff. I suspect he would be lucky to see 4th line minutes.

            We sure do not need a guy who doesn’t want to play here at $5.5M.

          • Rafi Bomb

            It also shows us how far away the Senators are from being an elite team. Over the last decade they have focused on building an Easter Conference style team, when all the elite teams have more of a Wester Conference style. Now we are embarking on the slow process of building a playoff style team and fortunately we have the LA Kings are a great template of the way this team should look and the types of players it should have over the next few years.

    • aegiszx

      Sens fans complain when we dont spend money, but then laugh when the Leafs do.

  • Rafi Bomb

    I could see Murray signing Steve Downie this off season. He is probably the best bargain pick up out there and he has the potential to be an impact player for us. He has also won two WJHC gold medals and captained one of the teams so he is a winner. Best case scenario he ends up being able to play bottom six for us, worst case he ends up being a Raffi Torres for us.

    • Don Ciccio

      Don’t want any rats on this team……Cooke, Kaleta, Ronaldo, Torres and to a lesser extent Downie , Lapierre and Ott are all rats.

      • Rafi Bomb

        We need players that play with a real edge to their game. We need players that can intimidate the opposition and lay big open ice checks. We also have somewhat of a need for agitator types throughout our roster.

        Those guys may not be the best targets but they are similar to the types of players we need. Torres was huge for San Jose in the playoffs and many GM’s said they would take him on their team if they knew he could stay within the confines of the rules. We need some players that flirt with that fine line of being dirty.

        • Sandy

          The Sens probably won’t be a playoff team next season anyway depending on the return for Spezza..
          I prefer tough players that can play. If you want an agitator Neil is one and Lazar is coming…

          • FistsofNeil25

            We don’t want Lazar to be an agitator. That should never be his role.

          • Sandy

            I think he will be similar to Gallagher. Always at the net and finishing his checks..

          • FistsofNeil25

            Yeah but I don’t think Lazar will be as much of a pest as Gallagher. He’s too nice of a guy to be an agitator lol I think he’ll be a better player than Gallagher and I think Gally is really good!

            I’ve said this before but I can see Lazar developing into a similar player to Mike Richards. He plays a very similar game but he’s bigger and faster. He’s comparable to Ryan O’Reilly as well.

        • Don Ciccio

          So huge that SJ lost in the first round……I don’t mind open ice hitters like Neil in his hay day but, what I do mind is people intentionally going out of their way to injure someone…..Crap like that is not needed.

      • Zelle

        I’d be happy with Lapierre on the Sens. The guy is a true workhorse and a great fourth liner / borderline third liner. He has a mouth on him for sure, but the diving has diminished since off the Habs / Canucks and so have the reckless hits. He’s definitely a player that’s had clutch goals in the playoffs too.

        • Jakester

          C’mon give me a break with LaPierre, he’s useless!

          • Zelle

            Never! haha

      • Guest

        Man, THIS is why we won so many Stanley cups with Rutuu! Give me a break. Who is LA’s player like this? OR New York’s? Carcillo is suspended so he didn’t help them win the last series at all.

    • OleHeaveHoFlipperoooni

      Possibly. Dean McAmmond isn’t here anymore

    • EK65

      Man, THIS is why we won so many Stanley cups with Rutuu! Give me a break. Who is LA’s player like this? OR New York’s? Carcillo is suspended so he didn’t help them win the last series at all

      • Rafi Bomb

        Are you trying to argue that players like Downie, Torres and Ruutu aren’t useful bottom sixers for the playoffs?

        • EK65

          Not more so than skilled players. We also have Smith, Neil, and Gryba who play with an edge

  • Sandy

    Garrioch said in an interview on TSN1200 today that the Hemsky not signing in Ottawa story came from outside the organization. He also said the Hemsky did not want to come back to Ottawa and made his salary demands high enough knowing Ottawa would not match.. I guess that says a lot doesn’t it.

    • FistsofNeil25

      Didn’t he say he wanted to play in the US where everything isn’t under the microscope. I think he just wants to get paid to go play hockey somewhere without having 25 microphones shoved in his face several times a day.

      • Zelle

        Well playing in a Canadian city isn’t for everyone, can’t really blame him. Especially in Ottawa where we are constantly being compared to the Leafs and the Habs and so the pressure to have a successful organization is high.

  • Millennium

    Truckloads of dumb in today’s comment section. The schools must be out for summer.

    • Pasky

      You weren’t able to attach a picture either? Had that issue earlier.

  • Pasky

    I think the team signs at least 1 UFA for the forward group, just to get to the salary cap floor. I’d like that to be Jussi Jokinen if it’s possible. Good career stats, help us win a couple more shootouts, and a veteran presence for what’s expected to be a young team. He can also more than likely be had for less than 5M a year which is in line with this internal cap shit. Gives us MacArthur-Jokinen-Hoffman-Greening on the LW with Puemple and Prince(if he’s not traded) in the AHL for an injury call up.

    • OleHeaveHoFlipperoooni

      I’ll take Jussi, been only calling for it for 2 – 3 years. Him or Tuomo

      Be Turris, Zbad/Jussi and Smitty up the middle. Decent

      • jtf927

        jussi jokinen or brandon sutter would be a great signing or pickup.

    • sprucesens

      i think there is a reason nobody keeps jokinen long term. no teams really seem to make a serious offer after they’ve had him either. Red flags if you ask me

  • Mat

    Perfect replacement for Hemsky if he goes: Radim Vrbata. That is all.

    • Mat

      Amazing comment Mat! I think you’re on to something!

    • FistsofNeil25

      Yeah you and a few other people have said this, but the problem is if Hemsky can get $5 500 000 then Vrbata can as well.

      • ProfessorPower

        very true

        • Mat

          I don’t think both of these players have top 6 qualities. They are third line players with special team qualities. I’m talking about replacement for our top line departures.

        • FistsofNeil25

          Yeah I’m with ya, I think it will be more bargain bin shopping. Bryan has always liked Penner too… He’s the man that signed Penner to his first contract as a college free agent.

      • Mat

        I said it first. Let it be known… But good point nevertheless.

        I think Vrbata can be had for a bit less than Hemsky. Perhaps the slim difference between “too much” and “can afford”. Another difference is Vrbata has not necessarily officially said no to Ottawa..

  • FistsofNeil25

    Game 1 of the Stanley Cup Final – let’s get this shit over with so we can get to the draft and free agency!

    • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

      Yeah so we can inevitably be disappointed agaib with the direction (or more accurately lack of direction) this team is going.

      I am refusing to get too upset this year though, as the consolation prize is a great pick in a great draft year… Easily 10 guys I would kill to have on our team.. And two in kill a little bit extra for haha

      • FistsofNeil25

        Three – Noah Hanifin has franchise defenseman written all over him.

        • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

          True…. I keep forgetting he is eligible this draft too

          • peetypuck

            We’d be crazy to miss out on this draft. Remember Patrick Eaves-’03 and Brian Lee-’05. We can’t afford to draft 15 to 20th next year.

    • Sandy

      I’m just glad that NBC is carrying the game on National TV so I don’t have to listen to the ass that is Glenn Healey.

      • peetypuck

        What if Roger’s hires him next year? lol

    • Tooks

      Well if its ok with you I wanna watch the Cup final, hopefully it goes to 7. I aint gonna see that kind of play from the Sens in a looooonnnng time so, let me enjoy this.

      • FistsofNeil25

        Yeah that game last night was pretty damn good.

  • Sandy

    Interesting comment by Gretzky. He called Kopitar the 3rd best player in the NHL behind Crosby & Toews.

    And the Sens drafted Lee..

    • aegiszx

      LOL… Oh yeah we did… That ’05 class:
      Crosby, Ryan, Johnson, Price, Skille, Setoguchi, Kopitar, M.Staal, Hanzal, Kindl, Rask, Oshie, Niskanen, Neal, Vlasic, Statsny, Abdelkader, Raymond, Letang, Quick…

      Yeah, what an absolutely stacked class… and we took LEE? Not Quick, Not Staal, not even Oshie… but we took Brian Effing Lee…

      • peetypuck

        In the ’03 class good ol’ Muckler took Patrick Eaves. If he would have moved ahead a couple spots we could have had Corey Perry. Is it any wonder why Murray has spent his years trying to rebuild the team and restock the prospect cupboard.

  • Sandy

    Wow == Rangers scored first. Their speed is really showing tonight..

  • Frank

    I wonder what the Flyers will do with limited cap space. Braydon Schenn is a RFA and a player I’d LOVE to see in a Sens uniform. How they could get him is another story. Do the Flyers even have the space to sign him? He’s likely looking at $3.5-$4 mill easy

    • Sandy

      I’m sure the Flyers would take Bobby Ryan. LOL. They want more than the Sens are prepared to offer..

      • Guest

        All depends though Sandy. If they can’t sfford to sign him, they either need to move him or someone else for little money which means prospects. We have lots of those

        • FistsofNeil25

          I think when Ron Hextall took over there a month or so ago he said he’s not keen on trading his young players and that he plans to keep them. I expect him to lose other salaries like Hartnell, Lecavalier, Cobourn, Streit, Grossman etc before he deals away someone Schenn.

          Holmgren really made a mess there with all those bad contracts though. It’s going to be tough for Hextall to clean up that roster.

          • Sandy

            Yeah, they probably buy out Lecavalier. What a mistake that was.
            I would love Hartnell on the Sens..

      • Frank

        All depends. If they have no money, they must trade him or someone else from their roster for players who cost little (prospects). We could make a decent offer for him

  • Zelle

    Heard through the grapevine that a crazy guy walking around my hometown with a high powered gun shooting at cops and citizens. Wasn’t sure if it was true until they just made an announcement on HNiC…

    • Aaron 2.0

      Yikes.

    • Sandy

      I assume that was the Moncton shooting that killed 3 RCMP officers and injured 2 more.
      That’s downright scary. My thoughts and prayers go to the family and friends of the deceased.

      Have to do more to stop these nuts from getting guns..

      • Zelle

        Yes that’s the one. Still not caught either. It’s crazy it can be so close to home. I’m just glad my family is safe, although I feel for the officers who were murdered and their families. Truly despicable.

      • Jakester

        Redneck government turning our Country into the good ole US of A!

        • peetypuck

          I think it has more to do with all the US TV and movies that we watch. For instance, why do so many Canadians spell words American style. It’s certainly not our government teaching them.

    • peetypuck

      I hope your family and friends living there are all safe and sound.

      • Zelle

        Thank you. I made sure everyone was safe before I went to sleep last night. I hope they catch this guy soon.

  • ATFIELD

    wtf is cherry talkin about?? Didn’t we have 13 Canadians on our roster last year?

    • Sandy

      As far as CBC is concerned… the Sens don’t matter.

    • Tooks

      Its not a secret man, everyone knows we like Euro’s.

    • Pasky

      NYR vs LA in the Stanley Cup Finals… Talks about how bad the Leafs are for not having enough Canadians…

  • Frank

    Was having fun on the Cap Geek Armchair GM thingy. I made a trade with StL. Spezza + Wiercoch for Jaskin, Shattenkirk & 1st in 2014. Then I traded Prince, Gryba and St Louis’ 1st rd pick to Philly for B Schenn. Sign Schenn at $4 million per season and Hoffman at $1.3

    This gives the Sens a cap floor team that looks like this:

    CAPGEEK.COM ARMCHAIR GM ROSTER
    14-15 Sens
    FORWARDS
    Bobby Ryan
    ($5.100m)
    /
    Kyle Turris
    ($3.500m)
    /
    Clarke MacArthur
    ($3.250m)

    Mark Stone
    ($0.603m)
    /
    Brayden Schenn
    ($4.000m)
    /
    Mika Zibanejad
    ($0.894m)

    Mike Hoffman
    ($1.300m)
    /
    Curtis Lazar
    ($0.894m)
    /
    Dmitrij Jaskin
    ($0.773m)

    Colin Greening
    ($2.650m)
    /
    Zack Smith
    ($1.888m)
    /
    Chris Neil
    ($1.900m)

    Erik Condra
    ($1.250m)

    DEFENSEMEN
    Erik Karlsson
    ($6.500m)
    /
    Marc Methot
    ($3.000m)

    Kevin Shattenkirk
    ($4.250m)
    /
    Jared Cowen
    ($3.100m)

    Mark Borowiecki
    ($0.575m)
    /
    Chris Phillips
    ($2.500m)

    Cody Ceci
    ($0.894m)

    GOALTENDERS
    Craig Anderson
    ($3.188m)

    ——
    CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
    (estimations for 2014-15)
    SALARY CAP: $71,100,000; CAP PAYROLL: $52,008,333; BONUSES: $2,076,667
    CAP SPACE (21-man roster): $19,091,667

    • Jakester

      Wtf r u thinking trading all that for Schenn meet u in the alley behind …. At midnight! Lol

      • FistsofNeil25

        Prince + Gryba + 21st in a weak draft for Brayden Schenn doesn’t seem like a whole lot to me?

        Prince is a B level prospect, Gryba is a #6 defenseman, and the pick isn’t all that great. I think Philadelphia would easily turn down that offer. Sens would do that in a heart beat.

        • Jakester

          I was kidding.. U looking for trouble? Lol

          • FistsofNeil25

            haha my bad

    • peetypuck

      I agree with you totally. It’s a very, very, nice roster. lol

    • spezzerman

      Does that include Lehner anywhere?

      • Frank

        He fits in as well. He’s probably looking at a $3 million deal. Still puts this team at $55m which is right around the budget

        • spezzerman

          Ya I agree, I just wasnt sure if his name was cut off the bottom. I’d be happy if we can get a guy like shattenkirk in a Spezza deal.

    • sprucesens

      i actually see the trades as very plausible, but we would have to have both worked out before hand then pull the trigger on both. boro is 7th D, and assumed lehner signs as well. And gryba would have to be signed already fairly cheap, before the trade could happen. I know philly is looking for cap relief, and always likes to get big heavy hitting D. Getting a mid level prospect, gryba and the 1st is probably enough for schenn, but maybe not. They did bet big on him when they traded away richards and carter seperately, though. I would support these moves i think. But i think philly might get a better offer for schenn, than what we would be willing to offer.

  • Sandy

    Crazy saves the last couple of minutes of regulation. More OT coming..

    • Deadly

      Slashing penalty was pathetic..don’t you think?

  • SensFanInMTL

    More Puempel & Lazar talks, please.

  • ijm johjn

    Hey Sens Fans:

    What do you think of Shattenkirk and the 21st overall for Spezza?

    Fair value?

    • Tooks

      Yes I think so. We would be very lucky IF the Blues accept that.

    • Doc

      Not sure they would do Spezza for Shattenkirk straight-up.

  • Captain Karl

    It’s a funny thing. The fanbase seems split. Many of us are looking forward to the next generation of this team and there are others who want to hold on to the past. I, for one believe that everything the team is doing today is geared towards being a contender by 2017 (25th anniversary). I also think we will be a cap team again when the time is right. Of course we have no way of knowing but that begs the question, Why don’t our media ask Melnyk if he intends on ever being a cap team again. That question has never been asked by any of our useless sportswriters at the sun and citizen. This is the question fans want to know the answer to. I am fine with being a budget team while we are developing our young guys as long as the plan is to spend to put the team over the top when the time is right.

    • Tooks

      Its not that its being split, its fans that want to stay in mediocrity, stay middle of the pack in hopes of just making the playoffs. We did a re-tool, we didnt rebuild, you dont rebuild in 3 years without top end picks. These next few years would be an excellent time to get those picks, we are nowhere near the level you have to be to contend for the Cup, we have a bunch of young guys that need time to develop, tank (not on purpose) and get those top end picks, rebuild properly.

      The way we are going now, without top end skill, Karlsson will ask out eventually when he finally see’s we are not committed to winning. Like that article on T6S, we are pissing away Karlsson’s good years by staying in mediocrity.

  • http://batman-news.com bob

    watching the finals, I sure hope whomever we get for Spezza is fast… and skilled, like wicked fast and skilled. we’re going to need it!

    • Tooks

      Well he might be just that but he wont be top end skill.

  • FistsofNeil25

    Think AJ Jakubec knows something we don’t?

    • Doc

      How to call a live game.

      • FistsofNeil25

        I just don’t want to see Bonino or Stewart.

        • Tooks

          I wouldnt mind Bonino, if its hard working, skill & grit you want, he’s your man, well mid skill man. Stewart is hot garbage.

        • Tooks

          I would ask this of ANA, knowing Fowler/Lindholm/Getz/Perry are not moving for Spezza.
          Bonino
          DSP (they have tons of young proven guys already, sure they would love to keep him but I think he can be bait)
          1st 2014.
          I think this is very acceptable and realistic.

  • FistsofNeil25

    Looks like one big name can be taken off the trade market – Trevor Linden stated he has no interest in trading Alex Edler.

  • SensChirp
  • NickofTime

    Absolutely ridiculous that at the exact time when this owner should be putting up money to keep & improve this team he cheaps out & sets it back another 5 yrs. This team will suck for the next few yrs all because Melnyk refused to add to his internal budget at a time when the team has the potential to challenge for a Conference title. Look at the Eastern Conference & who made it to the finals, one team we beat in the playoffs & the other that barely beat us in the playoffs. Our top line could be the difference maker.

    Forget last yr, a full yr with Michalek, Hemsky & Spezza would push this team up in the rankings but the owner won’t allow it. I wouldn’t blame people at all if they stopped going to games. this past yr has been the worse yr since the Bryden days & it doesn’t look like it’s going to get any better. Ottawa will turn into the Expos & be a feeder team for every other NHL team, I also don’t blame players for leaving or not wanting to come here thanks to this cheapskate owner. Melnyk has ruin this team. Melnyk will be in that Canadian Tire comercial paying the players in stacks of Canadian Tire money.