NHL Off Season Ramps Up This Week

SensChirp June 23, 2014 707
NHL Off Season Ramps Up This Week

The NHL’s off season is about to kick into high gear. It’s going to be a busy week beginning with the Awards on Tuesday, the opening of the free agency negotiation window on Wednesday, the Entry Draft on Friday and then the free agent frenzy just eight days from now.

There will be no shortage of news, rumours and speculation and a lot of it will centre on the Ottawa Senators.  A quick Monday morning round up as we prepare for the frantic days ahead.

-On Friday, I declared the St. Louis Blues the runaway favourites in the Jason Spezza sweepstakes and as of Monday morning that remains unchanged. They seemed to up the ante a little bit at some point on Thursday and everybody I’ve spoken with seems to feel like they are the most serious team at this point.

-It has been fascinating to see the range of expectations on a potential deal with the Blues. Some fans feel like it has to be Tarasenko/Schwartz or bust. Others have their sights set on defenceman Kevin Shattenkirk. Unfortunately at this point every rumoured return I’ve heard about centres on Patrick Berglund. Is that enough? I asked that question on Twitter over the weekend and the answer was a pretty resounding no.

-The schedule was released yesterday afternoon and generally seems to be pretty favourable for the Ottawa Senators. The biggest change is a shift away from afternoon games and an emphasis on Thursday and Saturday night home games. That is certainly something that will go over well with fans.

-As of Wednesday, UFA to be Milan Michalek is able to talk to other teams about a contract for next season. The Senators have made it clear they would like to bring him back next season and have been negotiating a deal with his agent Allen Walsh. Obviously Murray would like to get something done before that negotiation window opens on June 25th.  Fans were pretty much split on the idea of bringing back Milan Michalek but on the right contract, he’s a decent option.  If Michalek does go to market, the Phoenix Coyotes will certainly make a call.

-On Friday, Bruce Garrioch indicated that the Senators are expected to announce a new contract for RFA defenceman Eric Gryba at some point this week. With Gryba under contract, the Sens would have eight NHL level guys under contract for next season. Really think they look to move a defenceman this off season.

-The Senators are also actively negotiating a contract with goaltender Robin Lehner. Based on the initial comments from management, this is anything but a straightforward negotiation. While Lehner is still technically the back up, he knows his time as starter is not far off and is looking for a contract that pays him like one. They’ll get a deal done but it’s going to take some work.

-Jason Spezza has always been a target for criticism in this market and with his tenure in Ottawa expected to wrap up in the next five days, it seems as though one media member is turning his attention to Erik Karlsson. I’ve heard the argument that we shouldn’t give this kind of work attention but the reality is, a large portion of the fan base reads stuff like this and believes it to be an informed opinion. Articles like this need to be discussed/debated so that this doesn’t become a viewpoint shared by a significant portion of the fan base.  There are lots of things to be negative about in Ottawa these days.  Erik Karlsson is not one of them.

  • FistsofNeil25

    Do we think Spezza is traded this week either before the draft or at the draft?

    If Spezza is the first domino to fall before Stastny and Kesler etc, and all we get back is
    something like Berglund+Jaskin/Rattie+1st, then fans are going to be pissed and rightfully so.

    There will be more pressure for teams looking to add a top center when they strike out on some of the names that are available.

    • The Apostle

      If youy are going to be pissed if the return is berglund, Jaskin and a 1st you need to hunker down and prepare yourself for a long, hard winter of unhappiness.

    • boom

      I don’t know about that. I think the trade you detail above is exacty what Murray says he expects and hopes to get – a player, a prospect, and a pick.

      I’m not sure what these fans expect, but I wouldn’t set their sights on much more than this.

  • FBP

    I wouldn’t mind Berglund, but knowing he has some sort of major shoulder injury really dampens my excitement.

  • Pasky

    Hey Chirp, have you heard on how much Hoffman’s contract is worth this year? I know it’s not up on Capgeek yet.

    For the record I don’t think Berglund is a bad player but I wish we can get more than that for Spezza. Maybe if the pick wasn’t so late in the first round it would be a better trade.

    • sbs138

      $750,000 according to capgeek.com/senators/

  • Doc

    Knowing how he operates, I just hope all these Berglund rumours are just smoke and mirrors by Murray and that we’re targeting someone else.

    • FistsofNeil25

      Yeah I would be underwhelmed by a deal coming back with Berglund as the main piece. He’s not a bad player. He’s a 2nd/3rd line tweener who will probably get more of a chance to produce offensively here in Ottawa than he did in St Louis. The reality is he would be our 4th or 5th best forward here as of right now. but here’s just something about him that doesn’t excite me. He’s just a decent all round player that doesn’t stand out in anything he does.

      I think if St Louis had more exciting prospects to send our way then Berglund would be an acceptable roster player to take back in the trade, but Jaskin, Rattie, Cole etc don’t do anything for me. They’re good but not great prospects and we have enough of those guys already waiting in the wings.

      • laughing

        If Berglund is the best we can do at this point for Spezza, is it even worth trading him right now? Maybe it’s better to wait and see where Kesler ends up and hope that you can force a rival contender to up their offer significantly? Or wait for an early season faltering from a contender to create panic and drive up the offers?

        Don’t get me wrong, Berglund and the St. Louis’ prospects mentioned are good players, but they’re definitely nothing to write home about though — they’re not the type of players that become a key component of your team. On top of that, a first round pick this year or next year from St. Louis isn’t likely to be high enough to draft an impact player either.

        Based on the current rumors, I think we come out on the losing end of a deal with St. Louis BIG TIME — nothing offered from them has the potential to have a huge impact on the franchise now or in the future.

  • Max2166

    Thanks for the update Chirp. It will be an interesting week. Looking forward to the draft on Friday night. I still think Doug Armstrong will have to offer more if the Blues really want Jason Spezza. Nothing against Patrik Berglund but there has to be more in return.

  • Hax

    Karlsson is one of those guys people will tell their grandkids about. Watching him play is something to appreciate. There are gaps in his game – sure. But even he admits this and appears to be working towards addressing them. He’ll only get better.

    Garrioch (and Brennan) is a moron.

    • FBP

      I don’t even want to give the article a page view. I assume it’s Brennan ripping on EK though?

      • A-Train

        Not so much ripping. Pointing out the things we all know about Karlsson and questioning how those will play if he is named Captain shortly.

        • Miguel

          the scary thing is those Dumb Dumbs have always liked writing about the scapegoats. They have always used it, and will always fall back to it… lets hope it is not Karlsson, cause if he walks, this team is doomed!

    • FistsofNeil25

      I wish the players could just boycott those two idiots.

      • EK65

        There’s a rule against boycotting certain reporters? Didn’t know that

        • Hax

          Players are required to have “media availability” and be generally accessible. And, unfortunately, if they tried to shut out one of the idiots from the Sun they’d only get worse treatment.

          It’s really up to the fans to ignore those goofballs long enough that Sun Media decides to get actual journalists to cover the team – but I doubt that will ever happen.

          • EK65

            Chirp is right though, many people read the Sun and are oblivious to the fact that these guys are brutal and shouldn’t have jobs. Their only claim to fame is that they’ve been covering the Sens since the beginning (experience does not equal skill). Their takes are unintelligent and borderline tabloid quality material. Brennen’s infamous “Garbage Pick” piece on Karlsson should be posted all over the sun boxes around the city to remind people of how moronic their takes are.

          • Hax

            Totally agree. Hopefully more and more fans are getting their info from blogs and twitter. Even though there are some donkey bloggers out there they’re no worse than the Sun “writers”. Plus there are many good ones too.

          • A-Train

            We’ve got Mendes. He’s a quality reporter with a history of actually working for the team. That’s something. It’s unfortunate Ottawa isn’t big enough to have a younger generation of professional journalists pushing these guys the way say a James Mirtle does in Toronto. Blogs & Mendes for now I guess.

          • Doc

            If you really want to have the sudden urge to stick something sharp in your ears, listen to Brennan when he’s on TSN1200.

  • Big Lue

    Anyone who thinks Karlsson is a problem should get a smack.

    • SENSible Voice

      Karlsson will become a problem at some point in the future… probably sooner than later. I don’t think he intends to stay here long term.

      • Doc

        That’s not a very sensible thing to say.

        • SENSible Voice

          The writing is on the wall. You’d have to be blind to not see the signs. Unless this team turns it around soon and starts spending, he will request a trade. I am convinced of that.

          • Doc

            That’s the spirit!

          • SENSible Voice

            Well we could pretend everything is rosie or we can admit that some things are not right so we can fix it before it becomes a bigger problem. When there’s something to cheer about, I will voice it just as loudly as anyone else but I’ll never drink the Kool-Aid.

          • Doc

            I don’t disagree, but you’re looking a little too much ahead here.

            Let’s wait until this off-season is over before we jump to any conclusions.

          • SENSible Voice

            You’re right, my opinion might change in a few days from now. My comment is based on the current state of things. I wouldn’t mind writting something more positive, afterall, I am sensible. :-)

          • Zelle

            What signs are you speaking of?

          • SENSible Voice

            His demeanor in interviews. His play at times when he seems unmotivated.

            I also saw him at the skills competition and he looked like someone who didn’t want to be there. Wasn’t talking much to other players and when Dean Brown was trying to get him to talk, we literally tried to skate away. I lost a lot of respect for him that day because it was suppose to be all about the fans and it was painful for him to be there.

          • Doc

            So you base your insight on just a few events, one that might actually be considered meaningless by some?

            Nobody has any clue to what’s going on, even if you think ‘the writing is on the wall’. It’s just pure speculation.

          • SENSible Voice

            Isn’t everything being written on here considered pure speculation? So you don’t like what my gut feeling tells me, you’re free to ignore it. I’m just voicing my opinion like everyone else. Take it for what it’s worth.

          • Doc

            We don’t need that, though. The Sens already have enough problems as it is, let’s not add to it by speculating on problem way before they exists. In my opinion it just spreads false information that makes us all look bad.

            You’re definitely allowed to voice your opinion, but don’t be surprised if someone challenges it! I won’t stop you from thinking what you want, that’s for sure!

          • SENSible Voice

            If I can go to church and question God, surely I can come on here and question Karlsson. I’m well aware that in both situation, I will ruffle some feathers but it’s never a bad thing to stand alone and question whether the mass is being misled. If I’m wrong, I’ll be the first one to admit it.

          • Doc

            Sorry, I noticed that my comment might have been misconstrued.

            My point is that we shouldn’t add fuel to talks like these. The end results doesn’t have any positives.

            I’d rather let hacks like Brennan/Garrioch keep making asses of themselves publicly instead of discussing these subjects and in turn bringing any validity to what they are saying.

          • Floridasensfan

            Tookie??

          • Zelle

            All of that can be attributed to the fact that he basically had the worst year ever and nothing to do with the organization. In fact if anything pissed him off about being on the Sens was that 90% of the arena left for his Olympic send off at the end of the game. Other than that his demeanor can easily be attributed to someone going through a divorce and losing a close friend. Lately on twitter he is all smiles.

          • Karlsson’s Euchre Partner

            maybe he was just hungover from a night of partying?!? give the guy a break – he’s a 23 yr old kid!!

      • Big Lue

        Every player can potentially leave for another team, that doesn’t make them a “problem”… The article talks about his play on the ice as a problem, which in my mind is totally bogus. Plus what you just stated is your opinion, what facts do you have to back it up?

  • EK65

    It’s been mentioned multiple times in the comments, not sure how true it is. Berglund has an injury. His shoulder is hurt, and he may be having surgery this off season. If that’s the case, he can’t be dealt, because he wouldn’t pass a physical.

    “The ailment is believed to be severe, so don’t be surprised if he
    requires surgery during the off-season. Berglund had no points, nine
    shots and a minus-7 rating in four games versus Chicago in the series” – Rotoworld (http://www.rotoworld.com/recent/nhl/2056/patrik-berglund)

    This is the only solace I’m taking in the Berglund rumors, because I don’t think he is enough in the Spezza deal.

    • SENSible Voice

      He can be dealt despite his injury. The injury was disclosed and it’s up to Ottawa to decide if that is a dealbreaker or not.

      • Doc

        True, but he still needs to pass his physical.

        • SENSible Voice

          If by “pass a physical” you mean “needs to be checked by our team doctor” then yes. Unless he has other health issues not related to his shoulder, he would “pass” his medical.

          • Doc

            No, I meant he needs to win his street fight with Neil.

    • Sandy

      He hasn’t had the surgery yet for whatever reason. If it’s July when he has the surgery he most likely would not be ready to start the season,
      I don’t want that.

  • WaitingSince92

    Hopefully we get more than a package that centres around Berglund – he just doesn’t have the elite or near-elite potential that you’d hope to get for someone of Spezza’s ilk.

    Maybe the same thing will happen as did with Ryan, where we were low-balling a little bit, but ended up HAVING to include a 1st and one of Zib/Silf to make the deal happen. Hopefully, Berglund isn’t the main piece coming back and the ante gets upped right before Spezza is traded.

    • EK65

      My thoughts exactly. At the time, people didn’t think a team would pay a first for him. Then again, Ottawa traded a first for Campoli before, so it was a simpler time.

  • FistsofNeil25

    If Murray gives Spezza the Fisher treatment by trading him to his preferred destination (St Louis) instead of the team that offers the Sens the best deal for the team, then I will have lost all faith in Murray’s ability to run this team.

    Murray said himself that he dealt Fisher to Nashville even though they didn’t make the best offer at the time. He prioritized doing right by the player over doing right by the team. At the time I didn’t mind the decision and I still don’t mind it today.

    I am concerned that he may deal Spezza under the same philosophy and that would be a major mistake. We don’t need to be concerned about what Spezza wants. He can sign any where he wants as a UFA next summer. Murray needs to get the best return possible and I have a hard time believing that there isn’t a team out there offering more than St Louis’ package centered around Berglund.

    If that is the case and Berglund is truly the best we can do for Spezza, then it really gives us a good indication of what other GMs think of Spezza.

    • WaitingSince92

      Situations are pretty different. Don’t think Fisher WANTED to leave.

      Hard to think that such a big move for the franchise would be motivated by pleasing Jason. The Fisher trade wasn’t an elite, franchise player leaving town. Just my speculation, but I’d bet the ‘better offer’ Murray could have taken for Fisher was negligibly better. Spezza’s too big a deal for Murray to treat the same way and I suspect he knows it all too well.

      Wouldn’t be concerned about that if I were you.

      • Doc

        I still think that getting a first back for Fisher was a good deal.

        • EK65

          My thoughts exactly. At the time, people didn’t think a team would pay a first for him. Then again, Ottawa traded a first for Campoli before, so it was a simpler time.

          EDIT: Replied to the wrong person.. baha

      • FistsofNeil25

        Like I said I didn’t mind sending Fisher to Nashville. I supported the move at the time.

        I’m not overly concerned about us doing the same with Spezza but the thought did cross my mind. I read something this weekend that said Murray asked Spezza which few teams he would prefer to be traded to and I do wonder why the that would matter to Murray at all. He needs to get the best deal possible and that should be all that matters.

        Say for example that Phoenix and St Louis offer us the two best deals for Spezza and Phoenix’s offer is just slightly better than St Louis’ but Spezza would prefer to go to the Blues, I would still hope that Murray sends him to Phoenix. Know what I’m sayin?

        • Doc

          I get what your saying, but I think you’re underrating the importance of building up the organisation’s image in regards to how they treat their players.

          This was one of the biggest factors in the Sens not being able to sign quality Free Agents a few years ago. I think Murray has done an amazing job in trying to rebuild that image.

          Words travel fast between the players around the league, and treating the ones we have well will only pay dividends in the long run.

          • Max Power

            what quality free agents did we ever sign after fisher? Gonchar?

            I’ll give you Macarthur though

          • Doc

            Exactly my point. Image needed work, and Murray knew that. Slowly working towards that goal. Lots of ‘repairs’ needed.

            Now it seems that (some) players really like it here and want to stay, which is progress in the right direction.

          • FistsofNeil25

            I understand the importance of building up the organization’s image. Unfortunately in the last calender year a lot of damage has been done to that image. We looked really bad when Alfie skipped town to Detroit. I’m sure players around the league were as shocked as anyone that he was actually leaving.

            Now Spezza has allegedly asked for a trade out of town and that does nothing to help our image either.

            Murray can worry about building up our image again after the Spezza deal. His biggest concern should be getting the best return possible for him.

    • PraiseAlfie11

      I found it interesting that spezza put the preds on his no go list. Fisher feud?

    • rhume55

      > Murray said himself that he dealt Fisher to Nashville even though they didn’t make the best offer at the time.

      If I remember the story correctly, he could’ve had a 1st from LA instead of a 1st from Nashville for Fisher. That would’ve had the Sens picking at about 17 instead of 21. Or something like that.

      At the end of the day, Murray decided to do Fisher a favor and send him to his preferred destination.

      Probably didn’t make a whole lot of difference in that case, but in principle I agree with you. As GM, you have to make the trade that’s best for the team — business is business.

  • WaitingSince92

    Little bit silly idea, but could you somehow include players’ names in the spellcheck?

    I’m kinda sick of seeing Zibinijad, Cowan, Wiercoch et al.

    • RUSH RLZ

      You need to add stuff to your own dictionary, it is you, not the site.

      If you see a word with a red squiggly, player name you want to “add” right click it and “add-to-dictionary”.

  • WaitingSince92

    Today in Sens news – there’s going to be some Sens news in the coming days!

  • CUP 2014-15

    Going to be an outstanding 8 days. Tons of Hockey, followed by a beauty Canada Day weekend. Bring on the Spezza trade to get things rolling. I still believe that many folks underestimate the value Spezz will bring back. I am not sold on the Blues being the team. I truly think this smells of a dark horse coming out of the woods. Dallas or the Arizona Yotes would not surprise me. Happy to hear the team is looking to sign Gryba, I felt he was our best PK defenseman last year and just seemed to get better with confidence after sitting for most of the first half of the season. Does anyone else feel that this Spezz deal looks a lot more like a six or even seven piece deal. Maybe three players going out with a pick or two and a player or two heading back this way.

    • KJ

      I agree with you that Spezza is being under valued by just about everybody. having said that, we still won’t win the trade, as we can’t possibly get back his offensive production in any trade. But, we can get some pieces that will definitely help the team now and into the future. it’s not personal, and sometimes these things do get that way, but BM needs to operate with the best interests of the team in mind.

      • CUP 2014-15

        I can’t see anyway of winning this trade on pure talent as Spezz will be the best player going either way. That being said, NYI did not win the Yashin deal so you never know how prospects, young players or picks work out, combine that with contracts and cap, we will see if it’s better to have Spezza at…lets say 34 and an 8MM cap hit or a, lets say Nino Niederider(SP?) at oh….3.5 along with two young guys ready to make the jump from Bingo in 2017-18

        • KJ

          yes. only time will tell. Chara was not expected to be much (he was the throw in), and if I recall at the time, the player in the trade was for Bill “who” Muckalt, and the #2 pick. :)
          we know how this trade turned out for Ottawa. but do we as fans have the patience?

          • Muckalt

            You do recall.

  • Frank

    I sure hope the Spezza deal happens pre-draft. I don’t think I can handle the rumors and mock trades much longer lol

    • CUP 2014-15

      I am with you, I can’t even put a mock lineup together without knowing the Spezza pieces. LOL

  • AutoTurris

    I can’t take it anymore… I just can’t take it, I’m losing my mind

  • SensChirp

    Bryan Murray’s To Do List for this week should look something like this…

    Monday
    -Sign Eric Gryba
    Tuesday
    -Talk to Lehner’s Agent
    -Talk to Allen Walsh
    Wednesday
    -Call Alfie
    -Call Dan Boyle
    Thursday
    -Talk to Ana/Nas/Stl/Dal/Col about Spezza
    Friday
    -Trade Spezza

    • AutoTurris

      Get things done with Bobby and Mac

      • SensChirp

        That’s at the top of the list for next week

    • EK65

      Lehner’s agent is Craig Oster if anyone is interested

      • FBP

        Why, is he single?

      • Doc

        Thanks, I’ll give him a call.

    • RUSH RLZ

      Fixed:

      Monday
      -Sign Eric Gryba, Talk to Ana/Nas/Stl/Dal/Col about Spezza
      Tuesday
      -Talk to Lehner’s Agent, Talk to Ana/Nas/Stl/Dal/Col about Spezza
      -Talk to Allen Walsh, slam the phone in frustration, nobody gets paid enough to deal with that idiot.
      Wednesday
      -After arranging Fran Drescher babysitting services, Send Bibi a new fur coat, voucher for a luxurious day at the spa. While she is gone call Alfie and beg. Talk to Ana/Nas/Stl/Dal/Col about Spezza
      -Call Dan Boyle, Talk to Ana/Nas/Stl/Dal/Col about Spezza
      Thursday
      -Talk to Ana/Nas/Stl/Dal/Col about Spezza then do it again
      Friday
      -Trade Spezza

      I truly think, that they will chase Alfie hard, they really need the ticket sales boost and nothing on Earth would help more. Epic side effects too, assuage fan base, restore legacy, repair damage…

      • SensChirp

        Ha. Well done. Anybody else?

      • Dirtysweetness

        Amazing! Thanks, I needed that!

      • Dirk-Diggler

        Someone needs to start a campaign to fire Brennan and Garrioch. Imagine how awesome that would be and how happy most of the players would be. They are nothing but trolls.

        They are ‘SUN Media’ and their whole company is based on sensationalism and loosely reporting the facts.

      • Sandy

        The one and only issue with Alfie is JP Barry.

    • AutoTurris

      What are your thought on Dan Boyle Chirp? I mean, do you think he’d take a hometown discount?

      • SensChirp

        He would not. Assume he’s looking for a contender

      • FistsofNeil25

        Guys like Dreger and MacKenzie have reported that he’s looking for a 2 or 3 year deal. I’m guessing it would also take a minimum of 5M per to get him signed.

        He most likely wants to go to a contender though. He doesn’t have much time left to win a cup and he won’t have much of a chance to do so here in Ottawa over the next few years.

        • laughing

          Boyle has already won a Cup.

    • SENSible Voice

      Call Alfie and Dan Boyle? Is that your wishlist, Chirp or a subtle way of giving us a scoop?

      • SensChirp

        We’ll call it a wish list. I expect that they would put a call in to Alfie. Not sure Boyle is looking for a situation like Ottawa though.

        • Sandy

          Chirp, what is the real difference for Boyle for signing in Toronto (where some say he wants to go) and Ottawa..

    • FistsofNeil25

      Chirp, if the Sens sign Michalek and end up acquiring Berglund in the Spezza trade, there likely won’t be any room under the internal budget left for a free agent like Alfie or Boyle.

      • SensFanInMTL

        Eeeeyup. Melnyk sure likes to ruin it for us doesn’t he?

  • AutoTurris

    This may seem stupid but I can’t find it anywhere on the main Draft site. What time of day is the draft going down at?

    • CUP 2014-15

      7 EST

    • PraiseAlfie11

      7pm

    • SensChirp

      19:00

  • Max Power

    I will be very very dissapointed if it were berglund

  • thepez

    First off, I’m not a Brennan or Garrioch fan as I believe a lot of their stuff is just made up BS to try and get a rise from the reader. However I read the latest article and in reality he didn’t write anything we don’t already know. EK65 had a tough year because of injury and because of trying to do way too much because that’s what the best players do. I believe that EK65 felt snubbed last year that he was not given a letter and that may have been a factor as well. Giving him the C would send him a signal that he is appreciated by the organization. This team needs some positive news and this should start things back on the right track.

  • Harv

    The fans have to stand up and be counted on Eric Karlson. Good call SensChirp.

    Karlson is brilliant, a superstar and has an amazing future ahead of him. If he can come back from his leg injury he is going to be the future of the Senators. Even if he stays where he was last year, he will still be better than most defensemen in the NHL. He is a major draw fro ticket holders and every dedicated Senators fan has to agressively counter media attacks.

    I am posting on the SUN page any time they attack Karlson.

  • FistsofNeil25

    Could this be our 2014/2015 Ottawa Senators roster?

    FORWARDS
    Clarke MacArthur ($3.250m) – KyleTurris ($3.500m) – Bobby Ryan ($5.100m)
    Milan Michalek ($3.500m) – Patrik Berglund ($3.750m) – Mark Stone ($0.603m)
    Mike Hoffman ($0.850m) – Mika Zibanejad ($0.894m) – Dmitrij Jaskin ($0.773m)
    Colin Greening ($2.650m) – Zack Smith ($1.888m) – Chris Neil ($1.900m)
    Erik Condra ($1.250m)

    DEFENSEMEN
    Marc Methot ($3.000m) – Erik Karlsson ($6.500m)
    Jared Cowen ($3.100m) – Cody Ceci ($0.894m)
    Patrick Wiercioch ($2.000m) – Eric Gryba ($1.600m)
    Mark Borowiecki ($0.575m) – Chris Phillips ($2.500m)

    GOALTENDERS

    Craig Anderson ($3.188m) – Robin Lehner ($2.000m)

    CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
    (estimations for 2014-15)
    SALARY CAP: $71,100,000; CAP PAYROLL: $55,264,167; BONUSES: $1,716,667
    CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $15,835,833

    • SENSible Voice

      Mondays are depressing enough… why are you doing this to me?

    • Dirk-Diggler

      That would be terrible

      • SensChirp

        I think take out Jaskin and put in Lazar and it’s pretty damn close.

        • FistsofNeil25

          Yeah I was thinking that as well. Depends if we acquire Jaskin or Rattie in the trade, if either I guess. Jaskin is apparently NHL ready,

          Could also throw in Jiri Sekac potentially.

        • Dirk-Diggler

          Let’s all hope it’s a 1 for 1 trade and the 1 is not named Berglund, Jaskin or Rattie

      • FistsofNeil25

        I know. That just seems to be the direction we’re heading in based off of the rumors that the Sens and Milo are close and that St Louis is the front runner and they’re offering Berglund as the centerpiece.

        That roster isn’t one I want to see.

        • Dirk-Diggler

          Can we even trade for Berglund if he’s injured? I didn’t think a player who can’t pass a physical is eligible for trade.

    • dazillion

      You forgot that we’re still going to trade the farm to Tim for Stewart.

      • Harv

        What is it with this love affair with Stewart? Don’t see it myself.

        • SensChirp

          Sens not overly interested either, according to AJ Jakubec

    • Doc

      Our new team slogan

      Ottawa Senators: Meh

      • CUP 2014-15

        Not bad but… I was at Wrigley Field for the home opener in the mid 80′s with some lads pounding some weak ass U.S. Draft when they unveiled a banner from left centre all the way to the flag pole in left. It read, “Oh ya, wait til next year”, gotta love Cub fans.

        • Doc

          lol

  • SensFanInMTL

    Hey guys. Does anyone have a clue about the TV schedules and what not? What exactly do I have to order/ subscribe/ demand? What he hell is City TV? Is Bell the only media that will carry the certain TSN channel that the majority of the Sens will air? Anyone else heard about TSN 2, 3, 4 and 5? WTF?

  • FistsofNeil25

    13 years ago today the Sens acquired Zdeno Chara, Bill Muckalt, and the 2nd overall pick of the 2001 NHL entry draft for Alexei Yashin.

    • bluebuyyoo

      and the Islanders till have one year left on Yashin’s buyout! LOL!

    • Muckalt

      That was a good trade.

    • C.J.

      so once spezza is traded we will get another return for yashin so to speak, kinda funny haha

  • fearless

    My thoughts are still that BM is targeting Schwartz and not going to settle for Berglund. We liked him in 2010, and we still like him now.

    • Sandy

      So does Sandy.

  • fearless

    Are these rumours of Karl getting the C true?

    • RUSH RLZ

      I hope not. I would like to see him go at least another season, healthy, before getting even more scrutiny loaded onto him.

      We need a vet to assume that role, even ‘just’ a character guy. My picks would be 1) Alfie 2) Methot 3) Phillips, in that order. ;)

  • Dirtysweetness

    I wonder if Detroit trades for Jumbo Joe, Alfresdson is done in Detroit?

    • Doc

      How do you figure the two are related?

  • Don Ciccio

    I hope that Ottawa doesn’t settle for Berglund…….If we need to add to get someone like Schwartz from Stl or O’Reilly from Col then we should do so because we have many assets to play with. I would do something like:
    Spezza + Hoffman + Weircioch for R. O’Reilly + N. Holden
    OR
    Spezza + Hoffman for J. Schwartz
    Something tells me that the NYR will put a package together for Spezza seeing how they just bought out Richards and don’t have a first line centre. Maybe something like:
    M. Staal + JT Miller for Spezza

    • Jakester

      JT Miller sucks!

    • Sandy

      The Rangers are using the cap room from the Richards buyouts to sign their own RFAs.

  • Rafi Bomb

    If the key piece in return for Spezza is Berglund then the Sens should just fire Murray right on the spot. He needs to prove that he is a high quality GM and deserving on the contract extension he just received. Acquiring Berglund would just be an indication that Tim Murray should have been given the job.

    • SensChirp

      Hmm. You seem to be sort of assuming that St. Louis or another team is offering better?

      • Rafi Bomb

        Well I can look at Anaheim’s depth chart and see that it wouldn’t be that hard for them to put a package together of prospects that would be superior to the rumoured STL offer.

        Berglund is a 26 year old 3rd line centre, who isn’t overly gritty or tough, has nearly reached his offensive potential and is coming off a major injury. He also had a weak playoff performance which is the opposite of the type of player we are trying to bring in. I said it before and I will say it again, if he wasn’t Swedish we probably wouldn’t be hearing his name.

        Personally I just see that as a weak key piece as we already have an abundance of players like Berglund. We need legitimately gritty and tough top six forwards, not another Michalek type.

        • Doc

          That’s fair, but if teams aren’t willing to offer a better package, you can’t really put the blame on Murray.

          • Rafi Bomb

            I guess it all comes down to what else is being offered. Even then, if Berglund is the best key piece being offered then we are better off waiting until some of the other centres get moved. That may force another team to react and pay a premium to stay competitive.

          • Hax

            That much I agree with.

            Though if Murray has solid info that Berglund is going to be 100% healthy to start the season (big IF) then I’m okay with him being PART of the return on Spezza. Having Berglund would protect Turris and Zibanejad a bit and allow them to grow into the top two center spots.

            StL would need to add a solid piece or two of course.

      • Dirtysweetness

        Dallas? :)

    • FistsofNeil25

      If Berglund is the centerpiece in a trade for Spezza that will mean that no other teams were very interested in acquiring him. Does that tell you more about Murray or Spezza?

      If Berglund is the best we can do then other GMs must not value Spezza very highly.

      • Rafi Bomb

        Good point. I guess that is the major concern with trading a pure finesse player who lacks grit and is weak defensively.

        • FistsofNeil25

          The good news is that we haven’t made that trade yet which means Murray is holding out for more from St Louis and other teams. If Bryan was satisfied with Berglund+ for Spezza then it would be done by now. It looks like that offer is pretty much the last resort scenario as of now.

          If Berglund+prospects/picks is all we get for Spezza when all is said and done, it will mean that another team didn’t step up and offer us anything better (even Anaheim). That won’t be Murray’s fault.

  • RUSH RLZ

    My source tells me Bryan Murray just ordered the Tilapia Fishwich, takeout, from Coasters. I have a good feeling about this! Tilapia!

    • FBP

      I’ll scout during my lunch hour and confirm/deny.

      • RUSH RLZ

        He usually sends his PA, blue beamer, no idea on the plate…

    • EK65

      I don’t know, Tilapia is a bottom feeding fish… Could this mean the return is similar? WE’RE TRADING SPEZZA FOR MATT COOKE AND HEATLEY FROM MINNESOTA :(

      Put an e5 on that.

  • Rafi Bomb

    “My whole career people have told me about all the things I do wrong but it just drives me to get better.” – Spezza

    And he never listens lol

  • karlssens

    To be a Gm you have to be a salesmen. Sell teams on what Spezza can do for them, in terms of bringing them a cup, and ask the GM if they would trade Tarasanko if it meant getting a cup within the next 3 years.

    Also, I’m not sure I want Karlsson getting the C.. Beginning to think it’s cursed lol!

  • Sicilian

    Maybe we go without a captain and three Assistants for a year instead?

    • Hax

      Three alternates might be the way to go.

    • esk

      if we somehow manage to sign alfie..he’ll wear the C. Karlsson would glady hand it over lol

  • Rafi Bomb

    “You hear the names being bandied around, but that’s mostly in social media,” Blues general manager Doug Armstrong said. “We’re obviously in contact with all 29 other teams. Some players that you hear about are maybe in play and some aren’t. You just have to deal with reality.”

    “Teams always ask for a lot,” Armstrong said. “That’s why there’s no deals made until the deadlines, whether it’s the trade deadline or the draft. It’s because the marketplace is usually higher. If there’s a need, you pay that price. If there’s not a hard desire, you let it play out. If you let it play out and get too cute, you don’t get the player. But if you’re not comfortable with the price, that’s probably the best decision.”

    • FistsofNeil25

      In other words – “I will not be trading Oshie, Schwartz, Tarasenko or Shattenkirk for Jason Spezza.”

      • Rafi Bomb

        That is the impression that I got as well. Armstrong doesn’t sound like he is willing to pay much to acquire a top six centre. That is what is so concerning about the rumors that the Blues are the front runners to acquire Spezza.

        Armstrong’s best bet is probably to acquire a guy lie Kadri. That would give Armstrong the flexibility to either keep Kadri and go with a young core or flip him for Spezza or Kesler as Kadri is a much more appealing piece than Berglund to either team. There have been a few rumors of a potential Kadri for Berglund trade, so maybe this actually materializes.

        Aside from that, Murray should be looking elsewhere. There is no point in trading with the Blues if they are going to play hardball. Getting a less than full value return for Spezza is something the fans can live with, getting a well below value return is something that will simply cause turmoil. No one will go to the games if Murray ices a shitty roster next season. There will need to be a handful of good young players with high upside who play with a ton of energy as well as some tough players that are overtly physical and agitate in order for the fans to find the on ice product to be entertaining enough to pay the ticket prices.

      • sprucesens

        or he’s waiting till the deadline. If none of those players are involved, neither is the name spezza

  • FistsofNeil25

    Wowwwwwwww Philly traded Hartnell for Umberger!!!

    • esk

      wtf..lol

    • Doc

      Hmm….

      There was no chance we could have landed Hartnell? Damn.

      • FistsofNeil25

        Budget.

        • Doc

          There’s that damn word again.

          • FistsofNeil25

            You would think we’d be used to it by now.

          • Doc

            I like the punishment.

    • Mitchell

      I am just as shock at the cost. I thought a 4th for umberger was an okay deal but then I read that wrong and woah!

    • Rafi Bomb

      Shocking trade. I would have liked the Sens to have acquire Hartnell.

      Odd trade overall as it only saved Philadelphia $150,000 in cap space.

      • Doc

        That’s also what got to me.

        There must be something else to it than just cap relief.

        • Rafi Bomb

          This also seem a lot more like a Holmgren trade than what I would have expected from Hextall based off his comments.

          This also doesn’t help them at all with signing Brayden Schenn. So maybe they are planning on trading him. We have the assets to acquire him so maybe Murray should make an offer.

      • FistsofNeil25

        Yeah i don’t understand it. Hartnell has 5 years remaining at 4.75M per and Umberger has 3 years left at 4.6M. Philly doesn’t get enough cap relief from this trade to make downgrading from Hartnell to Umberger make any sense at all.

        • Doc

          I would have figure that his cap hit would be really enticing to the Sens brass.

          He would have really look good in a Sens uni. Brings grit on top of scoring. *sigh*

        • Rafi Bomb

          They also didn’t get any younger and they got a mid pick in a weak draft. I don’t really see the point of this. I am sure they could have got a better offer for Hartnell.

          • Doc

            No doubt they would have.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Maybe they did get a better offer but Hartnell wasn’t willing to move to many places. He has a full NMC.

            There wasn’t any indication out there that Hartnell was even available.

          • Rafi Bomb

            These NMC’s and NTC’s are killers. If I was a GM I would be hard pressed to offer them to anyone.

          • FistsofNeil25

            lol the funny part is Greening owns one in his contract.

          • Rafi Bomb

            How did he ever justify that?

          • Doc

            You would think that, but it seems they haven’t learned their lesson and are still offering them on every other contract.

          • Hax

            Well then good luck signing guys. GMs aren’t “handing them out” you know right? It’s players with leverage in negotiations and usually to get them to sign for a dollar amount you want you have to add some form of NTC or NMC.

    • esk

      I dont understand this trade..sounds like philly just wanted to get rid of Hartnell…something we dont know?

    • aegiszx

      Philly is planning something big. Wow…

      • Rafi Bomb

        With the draft in Philly, and Hextall just starting out as a GM, I wouldn’t be surprised if something big goes down.

    • KJ

      …And a 2015 4th rd pick.

    • RUSH RLZ

      This is one weird, head-scratcher deal. Like one of those ones where Dreggs on the TV tonight will say, “Speaking to several GMs around the league, many were surprised by this deal and wish they had known Hartnell was available…”

  • CUP 2014-15

    I would not mind going one year without a “C”. We will see CP return with an A, I would guess your going to see one on Neiler and that leaves one for …..whomever. Personally I believe this is the end of the road for Neil and CP so I would like to see the A on someone like C Mac, who could show himself to be a good captain next season, if someone else emerges that’s great as no promises were made and C Mac or whoever will continue with the A.

  • Rafi Bomb

    How far off value wise is a Patrick Wiercioch for Brayden Schenn deal?

    • FistsofNeil25

      probably a lot.

      • Rafi Bomb

        What do you think we would have to realistically offer to acquire Schenn?

        He seems like he would add some needed grit to our lineup and he still has a ton of upside. It would also help shore up our centre depth and give us some flexibility to trade Spezza for wingers and d men.

        • FistsofNeil25

          I don’t know. I never would have thought Schenn would be available but this Hartnell for Umberger trade has made me question the direction Hextall wants to go in.

          I think Wiercioch for Schenn is pretty weak value. To me, Wiercioch is just a good #5 defenseman and nothing more. That’s not a knock against him or anything because I do like his game. I just think he’s best suited for sheltered minutes on the bottom pairing and on the PP.

          Brayden Schenn is a good second line forward and has the potential to put up around 60 points per season. He’d look really good on Zibanejad’s wing.

          I don’t think we have what it takes to acquire Schenn without giving up someone like Ceci or Lazar.

          • Rafi Bomb

            I think there have been a few rumors that they want to trade him for a d man. I would be curious to know what type of return they are looking for so we can assess what we might be able to offer them.

          • FistsofNeil25

            I would gladly swap Schenn for Cowen.

    • CUP 2014-15

      Maybe if we added Peumple and either Stone/Hoffman

      • Rafi Bomb

        Is his value really that high? With tall the rumors about him getting traded, it seemed like he was going to return a top 4 d man.

        • CUP 2014-15

          The problem is that PW has not shown he is a top 4, Puemple is still a unknown and they will still look at Stone’s footwork as an issue. Personally, I like all three of our guys a lot but Shenn is a proven NHLer , young, strong on the puck.

  • Rafi Bomb

    What is Philedalpia’s interest in Spezza? This Hartnell for Umberger trade gives me some hope that we can trade Spezza plus for Simmonds and Schenn. Hextall seems like he is as crazy as Holmgren lol.

    • EK65

      I would do Spezza for Simmonds straight up. He’s great

      • Zelle

        Yes please.

  • FistsofNeil25

    When I watched Columbus vs Pitt in the playoffs I thought “damn, this Columbus team is going to be hard to play against for a long time.” They just got even harder to play against.

  • Dirk-Diggler

    I am jealous of CBJ for having Kekalinen and BUF for having Murray. These new GM’s are really putting their stamps on their teams.

  • Jakester

    GO Ahead Bryan make my DAY!

  • RUSH RLZ

    Is it a bad sign that the ad banner I am seeing on top of this article is for “Big Wreck”?

  • Dirk-Diggler

    If RJ Umberger can get Hartnell can’t Spezza get more than Berglund?

    • EK65

      One would hope. Problem is there are other C’s out there too. Staal, Kesler, etc.

      • esk

        Still dont think it will hurt his value…kesler wont be traded to the west..staal wont be traded…richards is a backup plan…

        • EK65

          Any potential competition in the market lowers his value. If he was the only C rumored to be on the block, his value would be much higher. Stastny is another option for other teams also. He’s younger too

          • esk

            not if the competition is only made available to the eastern conference…you think kesler is going to be traded to a team in the same division? lol highly unlikely.

  • FistsofNeil25

    Has Philly used both of their compliance buyouts? I know they used one on Bryz but do they still have another. Umberger would cost 13.5M to buy out, Lecavalier would cost 16.5M to buy out and Hartnell would cost 22.5M to buyout.

    Maybe Philly will now buyout Umberger as a cheaper alternative to buyout out Hartnell, or they’ll buyout Lecavalier and keep Umberger to maintain some of their center depth while ridding themselves of the extra 2 years on Hartnell’s contract?

    • Dirk-Diggler

      They used the other on Briere

      • FistsofNeil25

        Ohhhh yes haha thanks. That organization is so screwed up.

        • Dirk-Diggler

          Sadly, I am jealous of teams that have the ability to write a check and make their problems dissapear!

          • esk

            and thats the reason they havent won a cup in how many years?

          • Dirk-Diggler

            Our ability to spend is one of the major challenges the organization faces in icing a contender

          • esk

            true you have to find the right balance! I still think the sens will spend when they believe its the right time and opportunity. I dont have a problem with that. Only issue i have with the budget is if we start letting our own players like ryan walk because we couldnt pay them

          • Hax

            Except that we don’t have any contracts that need buying out. Even if there are players you don’t like on our team they can be traded rather than bought out.

            But yeah, would be nice to have more money to spend for sure.

          • Dirk-Diggler

            Greening, Phillips, Neil.. ALL could be replaced with younger and better players that we currently have in our system

          • Hax

            And all could be traded. But at least two of them won’t be.

  • esk
    • KJ

      well, BM is not Hextall, thankfully.

      • esk

        the one constant behind philly: snyder.

      • Dirk-Diggler

        Ya, never let a former goalie run your team.. If Tuggnut, Lalime or Barrason ever want a job in our front office tell them to F off!

  • Hax

    So if the Sens are interesting in James Neal (See Chirp’s tweet) does that mean they’re already planning to provide good news in the wake of Ryan not extending? Or are we actually going to add Neal???

    • spezzerman

      I sure hope not. Talk about a one dimentional, dependent on other players talent kind of player. And as dirty as they come.

      • Sensturion

        Neal was not a dirty player in Dallas. Pittsburgh seems to have changed him.

    • thepez

      Can you tell those of us who can’t see the tweets what the tweet said?

    • Dirk-Diggler

      I’d love to get Neal. And if we can do it in a quantity for quality trade I’d be even happier.

      - 2nd 2014, Prince, Borowieki

    • Doc

      Meh. I would have much preferred we try and get Hartnell.

      Sadness…

      • CUP 2014-15

        Not so sure I agree this time Doc, Neil is one strong S.O.B. and plays the dirty areas every bit as good as Hartnell

        • Sensturion

          Neal* isn’t very good defensively. Gets lazy on the play.

          • CUP 2014-15

            I can’t agree with that statement. He is very good in all three zones, very often, first in on the forecheeck and skates back hard. I see him the same way I see Bobby and I could not be happier with B. Ryan. But opinion very on all players, not saying I am right just that I see a star when I see him play.

        • spezzerman

          those dirty areas include kneeing a guy directly in the head while he is down and defenseless.

          • Doc

            That’s just being efficient. ;)

        • Doc

          I’d take both to be honest.

          Would look good with Zib…oh sorry, excuse me one moment. Yes? Say again? Oh I see. Will do, thanks…

          Well it seems we have this thing called ‘budget’ but the lad wouldn’t go into details.

          • CUP 2014-15

            lol, that hurts

      • Hax

        Me too, but I do think Neal is the type of player that could thrive in the right situation. He hasn’t impressed too much in Pitt but with a different mix of players he might get back to his “Dallas ways”.

    • KJ

      won’t know about Ryan’s status until July 1st. I would be surprised if we didn’t extend Ryan.

  • Sensturion

    The way I read that article, it seems like he’s just offering Ottawa as an example of a small market team and not a team that’s actually interested in Neal.

  • SensChirp

    Here’s some news. Speaking to a contact this afternoon about the rumoured “Berglund, prospect, pick” package and it was pretty much dismissed as a potential return. Not sure if that’s because St. Louis didn’t offer that or Ottawa isn’t interested but either way, seems like good news.

    • esk

      Awesome!!

    • spezzerman

      lets hope its the latter…

    • Doc

      Finally, some good news.

      • SensChirp

        Assuming it didn’t mean they offered less than that haha

        • AutoTurris

          That’s what I was about to say, maybe even that package seems like too much for Dougie

        • Doc

          You just had to crush my hope, didn’t you.

          Back to sadness for me…

    • Hax

      With the widely reported injury I was having trouble believing that Berglund was going to be part of the package. Even though I included him in my prediction for the contest.

    • FistsofNeil25

      Hopefully this is good news. I saw some guy on another site claiming to have a contact with St Louis and he said that St Louis was offering Sobotka+Cole+1st lol I think that’s even worse than the Berglund+ package.

      • jimmyjohnson

        THAT is Heatley for Michalek, Cheechoo, and a 2nd!!

    • Rafi Bomb

      Awesome news. My guess is that the Sens don’t find it very appealing, it they did then that trade would likely have occurred.

    • A-Train

      Alright, this is getting fun again. At this point Berglund is the most “meh” roster player coming back. It’s not necessarily rational, but that’s how I feel.

  • esk

    neal makes sense..$5mill till 17-18. VALUE

    • aegiszx

      Neal also has 2 legit, established playmaking Cs though.

      • esk

        he had a couple good couple years in dallas..think he fits in with our team..only 26 and contract is reasonable

        • aegiszx

          I believe he has a NTC… Plus he has been concussed, so that could factor into his fair valued salary… Unless the organization decides to take a completely different direction, cant see him ever wanting to leave… and really, after the Pens, you can only go down, the guy gets to play with Sid & Geno, and a rising star in Maata/Letang…

          • Hax

            His NTC doesn’t kick in until next July apparently. Hence the talk of trading him now.

          • aegiszx

            I’d imagine the return for Pitts would be either a D man or G:

            Methot/Ceci/Cowen, Lehner/Driedger/Brassard, and probably a mid-late pick?

          • Hax

            Brassard is re-entering the draft and there’s no way we’re trading Lehner unless talks are really horrible (which they’re apparently not).

          • aegiszx

            That’s right, completely forgot. Driedger/Hogberg… next in line after Lehner.

          • Sandy

            Or Spezza.

  • Dirk-Diggler

    Markov signed 3 year at $5.75 per

    • Frank

      Wow, that’s a lot of dough. Subban must be salivating now…

      • Hax

        Subban is going to get riiiiiiiiiiich! And I’m going to laugh and laugh at the Habs.

      • Doc

        It seems fun when management has funds, huh?

      • Cactus Face Elmer

        P.K. $ubban

    • FistsofNeil25

      I like this deal. Markov had slowed down quite a bit by the time Montreal reached the conference finals. I doubt he’ll be worth that 5.75M per in the second and third years of that contract :)

  • Cactus Face Elmer

    I’m surprised that Brennan was able to stab Erik Karlsson in the back with
    his knife still lodged in Jason Spezza.

    • boom

      Garrioch would have done it too, but he didn’t want to put down his fork.

  • A-Train

    Markov’s signed a 3 year deal in MTL

    • Hax

      For how much? $5.75M per year by any chance?

      • Doc

        I heard it’s a 3 year deal.

        • Zelle

          And how much is this free seminar?

          • Hax

            haha! Simpsons references.

          • Zelle

            Yesss someone caught it :D you made me instantly happy.

  • Zelle

    Can’t believe the Habs signed Markov to three years. That’s about the same thing as signing Phillips to two years except no ‘we need veterans’ excuse for Montreal.

    • Jakester

      i like Markov better than Phillips.

      • Zelle

        I can see why but at the same time they are both declining, and Markov was directly responsible for a lot of the mishaps in the D zone during the playoffs. I guess I’m trying to say he didn’t exactly give a contract worthy performance in the post season, imo.

        • sprucesens

          doesn’t that make you glad they signed him?

          • Zelle

            Oh yeah definitely lol just surprised that’s all.

        • Mitchell

          Similar enough that Phillips is responsible for a lot of are mistakes

          • Zelle

            About the same age, life long players for a single club, declining, good in their primes. They have more than that in common, but whatever.

          • Hax

            Can I point out the irony in “are mistakes”? That is without starting a fight?

    • KJ

      Huge risk. He is 35, and he is brittle. The trade off is he makes your power play dangerous.

    • spezzerman

      Not really, Phillips didnt lead the sens in ice time on d…

      • Zelle

        Didn’t Subban lead the icetime on D for the Habs?

        EDIT: Just looked it up. They are pretty close but in the regular season Markov was above Subban. In the post season (where he was dramatically worse) he had a little over a minute less on ice per game. By comparison Phillips spent about 5mins less on ice on average. Pretty significant. Doesn’t really change the fact that they were both liabilities though.

  • esk
    • RUSH RLZ

      Very cool piece, thanks for sharing! I loved the insight into Murray’s draft tendencies and “success” by position.

      • Sandy

        Good article.
        What I noted is that their prospect ranking is now 19th when it used to be 3rd..

        • Jakester

          Sens have graduated a lot of those guys to the bigs so your ranking drops, normal.

  • ill district

    2 @ 6.5 would have been better than 3 @ 5.75

  • aegiszx

    Just going through Sens draft history and its interesting to see guys who were drafted much later get a shot much sooner, hence why some guys take longer to develop and all circumstances are unique…

    08′ – Karlsson and Smith have solidified their spot in the line-up. Wiercoch, Boro, and Grant are still being jerked around… Wouldnt surprise me if one of Wiercoch/Grant gets moved this summer due to Boro’s 1 way next season and the emergence of Ceci.

    09′ – Cowen, Silfverberg, and Lehner all up in the bigs. Hoffman finally made it (or it appears)… Wideman, Sdao are B-Sens depth players…

    10′ – Not many picks, bad year… Stone only one who has made the jump.

    11′ – Zibby has found his spot, Pageau had a brief moment to shine, Puempel/Prince are almost ready, Noesen is gone, and Claesson appears ready and very solid if I may add.

    12′ – Ceci is the only one whos with the big club. Driedger is still years away. Brassard is re-entering draft. Boyle could be interesting?

    13′ – Not even worth discussing as most of those guys are a ways off with the exception of Lazar. I’m keeping my eye on Quentin Shore, Vincent Dunn, and Ben Harpur… Just a feeling they are my darkhorses and could push.

    Side note: Greening was our last pick in 05 draft 7th rnd, 204th overall… and has found himself a nice extension that will kick in very shortly lol… Hard work pays off Colin.

  • Miguel

    concerned about not getting value for Spezza as is everyone else….
    all we ask for is a big 6’2 or taller 220lb top line centre, that is a PPG proven offensive producer…. hmmm wonder where we can find someone like that? (sarcasm)
    For all those Spezza haters, I can guarentee you we will not have that PPG player next year… IMO
    Again with all the negative news, I am having a very hard time getting into the Sens this summer.
    Go Redblacks Go!!!!

    • Jakester

      Lets just get a guy who puts up points and doesn’t let the other team come down the ice like they’re going through a turnstyle.

      • Miguel

        so we are going to blame the 40 shots against and 20 shots for per game… all on Spezza?
        the shitty defense we had last year, had nothing to do with it, right???
        The D sucks, and we point the blame on the one pure offensive weapon we have…. unbelievable!
        If we do not improve Defensively and we lose the PPG Centre,
        we will lose games 5-1 vs 6-4… then who will we blame?
        I can hear it now… ” if only we had a big Centre who could score some points”

        • Jakester

          Well. Let’s just say there was about a 50 goal difference between the TUrris line and the Spezza line. That’s huge. Not to mention that Turris let Spezza have a lot of the offensive zones starts cuz Mac couldn’t trust ole 19 starting in his own zone. So yes, there was a lot of the blame going his way. Don’t fool yourself Miguel.

    • CUP 2014-15

      EK65 will go over 80 Points this season

    • sprucesens

      hmm, zib will be in the top 6 with a combo of stone, ryan, lazar, Hoffman, UFA as his wingers? That’s good news. We are likely to get much better than Berglund+ for spezza, because if st. Louis is the front runners in this, they’ll have offered more than that, or another team will swoop in and steal him for much better pieces than that. Unless it was like Berglund and 3 1sts or something stupid

    • Mr. Seller

      Substitute Spezza and Karlsson with Patrice Bergeron and Shea Weber… do the Sens become a much better team? No doubt in my mind we become a contender yet we lose a ton of points offensively. Offense is not the only stat that matters.

  • KJ

    Blake, Forsberg, Hasek, Modano. pretty good company for this HOF class!

    • SensChirp

      Strange seeing guys I grew up watching heading into the Hall of Fame. Starting to realize I’m kind of old haha

      • CUP 2014-15

        LOL, Your not old until you are older then anyone playing in the NHL, NFL, MLB or NBA. That’s when it hurts to the core.

        • SensChirp

          Ha. I used to have this rule where I would not buy a jersey of any player younger than me because it made me feel old. I’m quickly running out of options

          • CUP 2014-15

            That’s fantastic, you need to keep the rule with the one change being older instead of younger. Leaves lots of Sens options.

          • KJ

            I ran out of those options some time ago. :)
            Still feel young though. lol

          • jimmyjohnson

            Once Spezza goes, you’re left with Phillips, Neil, Anderson, and Methot on the Sens to choose from!

            Slam dunk for Methot?

        • Sandy

          So I guess that qualifies me as old.

          • CUP 2014-15

            Unfortunately it was Chris Chelios that put me over for the NHL and he’s been retired for ever, ugh!!!! well still feel young anyway.

    • SensChirp

      Also, first modern day Ottawa Senator in the Hall of Fame, right?

      • Doc

        I thought we all had an agreement in which we collectively chose not to remember Hasek ever played for the Sens?

        • esk

          pretty much cost us a cup

  • Sensturion

    Apparently NHL.com doesn’t know that Huberdeau’s first name is Jonathan. Check out the quote.

  • EHMatt

    Just look at who wrote the article on Karlsson. That says it all. How he is still a writer, I have no idea. Have you listened to him whenever he gets on TSN 1200? The guy can’t even read properly.

  • RUSH RLZ

    You guys realize, that with the cap space and pieces we have, we could easily:

    - Bring back Alfie for one more year, gracious contract @ 5M
    - Sign Dan Boyle (5.5M)
    - Sign Matt Moulson (3M)
    - Extend Spezza to 3-5 year deal
    - Extend the fuck out of Ryan + MacArthur
    - Still have 8M is space to play with down the stretch

    All within the next 10 days. If only Murray were given the commandment to do so.

    How pumped would we be for next season instead of fretting and being depressed?

    MacArthur – Turris – Ryan
    Moulson – Spezza – Alfie
    Lazar – ZBad – Stone
    Hoffman – Smith/Pageau – Neil

    EK65 – Methot
    Cowen – Boyle
    Phillips – Ceci
    Weircoch

    Sure doesn’t sound like we will get anything at this point for negotiating rights for Hemsky / Milan but: Greening, Condra, Gryba, could all be used to acquire picks.

    • spezzerman

      Dan Boyle is the biggest obstacle to us acquiring Dan Boyle, but I get what you’re saying

      • RUSH RLZ

        How is he the obstacle? I haven’t heard anything about preferred destinations or anything, only that as a home town guy he might actually embrace the idea of playing here..

        • spezzerman

          I think he wants to go to a bonafide contender and try for another Cup next season?

  • Sandy

    4 more sleeps until the draft. I’m in the camp to keep Michalek but if he goes to UFA then he’s not coming back.

    Interesting little tidbit from twitter::

    @tsnscottcullen: RT @WhyteThunder: @wyshynski Richards and Carter traded on June 23, 2011 JVR traded on June 23, 2012 Hartnell traded on June 23, 2014…

    • esk

      also on this date we traded Yashin for Zdeno Chara, Bill Muckalt and 1st round pick (spezza)..could this be the day?

      • sprucesens

        murray better hurray if that’s the case. wouldn’t that be interesting if he went to florida for gudbrandson and the 1st overall. probably include cowen. Could almost be an identical deal. Declining but good vet and a potential bust, for very high pick, and an all star D. Wouldn’t that be crazy

        • FistsofNeil25

          Let’s not get carried away here alright..

          • sprucesens

            but I need to carry somewhere/somehow!! I need some trades, I’m dieing here. I had to read CBC news during my lunch because there wasn’t enough comments on here, nor anything for me to really post about. I NEEDS MY HOCKEY. lol

  • sprucesens

    word on the ol’ e chart is that we have “definite interest” in niskanen. Not sure why, unless we are including up to 3 D in trades, we don’t have room to sign a UFA D. Anyways, just put it out there for those of you that were pining over him. Highly doubt it means anything though.

    • spezzerman

      I would assume every team has definite interest in Niskanen

  • TookieIs100PercentRight

    The Brenenan article is trash but it’s inevitable that Karlsson is the next whipping boy. HOWEVER, he can avoid this by doing a few things. 1)Patiently answering all the media questions, 2)Becoming very politically correct on twitter, in media interviews, all over. 3)Play as hard in his end as out of it. If that happens Ottawa will eat out of his hands.
    TOOKS100% OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • sprucesens

      haha, naïve. If karlsson became the best player hockey has ever seen, leading all categories, and winning countless cups, they’d still find something to pick apart and run him out of town

  • A-Train

    OK, so I’ll bite on the Brennan article. And I’ll preface this by saying Karlsson is my favourite current Ottawa Senator.

    Things that are ridiculous in Brennan’s article:

    1. The notion that there’s something untoward about the team potentially deciding he’s ready for the C this year and not last year. Different year, different situation. Dumb comment.

    2. The idea that Karlsson could bolt if he doesn’t get the C. Premature and inflammatory.

    But….

    Even I find it hard to disagree with the main points he makes.

    - Karlsson probably needs to shore up his defensive game if he’s going to be the Captain, especially in this market.

    - There are questions based on past behaviour about how well he could handle the added scrutiny of being a Captain in Ottawa.

    - Stuff like ripping Bell on Twitter can’t really happen if you wear the ‘C’

    These are all true. And frankly I think Brennan’s just pointing out things I think we all know, whether you’re a Karlsson fan, hater or not sure yet.

    • Andrews theory

      It’s so ridiculous, the amount of expectations we put on NHL players and specifically captains.

      Most of the guys are not Yale graduates and in any other profession would be considered kids.

      We expect them to be model citizens, always say the right thing and do the right thing all while being given more money in a year than 99.9 percent of the population.

      It’s absurd and frankly it’s what makes guys like Chara, Alfredsson, Zettetberg so valuable. They lead by example and they have enough wrinkles to have the experience necessary to handle idiot reporters and unrealistic fans.

      I’d like to see Karlsson with a A instead. At his age, he can’t properly fathom the scrutiny associated with a C in a hockey crazed market,

      My personal choice would be MacArthur for the reasons listed above

      • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

        I think I agree I would be OK with something along the lines of

        MacArthur C
        Karlsson A
        Ryan or Turris A

        • A-Train

          That’s cool. But it won’t happen. They are conservative thinkers. They won’t strip Neil and Philips of their A’s.

          • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

            Which will just yet again be another stupid move.

      • A-Train

        The expectations are nuts. But that’s where we are as a fanbase/society. You’re right to focus on the three you brought up. Wearing the C in a big market takes a certain intelligence and maturity.

        The City of Ottawa in particular focuses so much insecurity on its players. I hope someone is writing a PHd thesis on Jason Spezza & Ottawa.

    • Zelle

      I think everyone has the right, even the duty, to rip Bell and/or Rogers via twitter or any other medium they find necessary because both companies offer garbage service.

      With that out of the way, I doubt anyone would care or that the organization would face any repercussions from that even if he had the C at the time. Things that shouldn’t be said would be against the league, other organizations, or other players. Eugene takes care of most of that anyway.

      • A-Train

        There’s the real world and the ideal world. And in the real world, the first time Ottawa Senators Captain Erik Karlsson goes to Canadian Tire then Tweets: “Canadian Tire money?? I wouldn’t wipe my a$$ with it #lalala” … well, it becomes an issue to deal with that detracts from hockey and becomes a reason for people to rip the captain etc etc.

        • Zelle

          Two completely different things. Your example is basically a bonus that has no downside and you can take it or leave it. He complained about a lack of service from Bell which is a real problem. A comparable tweet would be: “Would be nice to get some service at this Canadian tire, been 30mins in an aisle #lalala”. Not to mention that they lease the arena.

          edit: I just wanted to add that he represents the Ottawa Senators in a very large capacity, so if someone was going to be upset/offended by that tweet I very much doubt a C on his jersey would make a huge difference.

          • A-Train

            Ok. But the point is as whether you are right or wrong if you’re the captain of the team there are certain things you should keep to yourself … Especially when it comes to off the ice stuff. Right?

          • Zelle

            Yes I would want him to remain polite/civil and avoid the obvious racist, sexism, bigotry type stuff (not that he seems like that kind of person anyway) and obviously anything that could put the club in a tight spot like shots at the league or refs, but honestly they’re just people and they’re allowed to have complaints as far as I’m concerned /shrug

            If A&F can rebound after their CEO said they didn’t want any ugly people wearing their clothes I’m sure the world can forgive EK for a slight against a company when he’s frustrated ;)

          • RUSH RLZ

            A-Train is right. Nobody is ripping on our young superstar, but players nowadays are educated in social media and they have a responsibility to the major sponsors to play their roles. It is not that hard. His Bell Tweets were in poor taste and I’m sure someone has spoken to him about it. Fuck, he probably has a dedicated 24×7 hotline he can call if he has an issue, unlike us slobs.

          • Zelle

            I didn’t find them bad, but I’m not easily offended. My dad always tells me that if you don’t want any negative tweets about your service then offer good service. But then again he actually cares about his clients.

            And I’m sure that he doesn’t have such a hotline otherwise he wouldn’t have tweeted lol.

          • RUSH RLZ

            When the likes of Bell are literally funding your mega paychecks, it is simple to understand how a little tact is in order. And we aren’t talking about something terrible they did, just Internet problems. :)

            On a related note, I just ripped Kleenex on Twitter for hitting me with French display ads, I guess just because I live in Canada…

          • Zelle

            You’re mad that you got French ads? Wow.

            I do believe Melnyk is funding his mega paycheck though. You say just internet problems, I say the internet is one of their three services and if they can’t get that right in a timely fashion, well…

    • Aaron 2.0

      Sorry, why can’t a captain in the NHL rip Bell on Twitter for a poor product and service? It’s not really hockey related. Overall, I do totally agree with you. He’s probably shown over the last year that there is still room for growth both on and off the ice (e.g. off the ice – not talking to reporters for extended periods of time, even about hockey). And, he’s my favorite player too. Give him an A!

      • KJ

        He is still just a kid, really. not wise in the ways of what one shouldn’t say in public versus what one might say to chums over beers. Although, when I was his age, I couldn’t rip my internet/cable service provider over social media. I had to write a letter, and I was very unlikely to do that. :) This is a minor gripe in my view though from Brennan, and he will get that sooner than later. I think it is more important he find his defensive skating and positioning again. You could tell that he was still not sure on some angles with his injury last season and was more willing to play zone and take his chances. Hopefully, his achilles will be stronger after a full summer of training and not rehab, and this BS will all wash away. If it doesn’t, we will all have to live through Spezza 2.0 (nothing against Spezza, just the drama around him), and that would suck!

      • A-Train

        Bell is a sponsor of the Senators. I believe the company’s name is on their practice facility? I wish it didn’t matter and everyone could just shoot from the hip. But stuff like that will get you written up in the papers in any city….witness the Brennan piece in question.

        • Doc

          You’re giving it too much credit to call it a “piece”.

          • A-Train

            Well, I didn’t say what it was a piece OF….

        • Aaron 2.0

          I guess I see your point. Bell probably wasn’t too pleased about that. But, really, as a fan, a hockey player’s accurate portrayal of a terrible company, and Canada’s overall horrendous network standards, are not likely to influence my opinion of any hockey player, Captain or otherwise. Admittedly, I didn’t read the piece in question. I’m not from Ottawa, so I don’t read local sports writers’ columns often.

    • spezzerman

      Do you follow Karlsson on Tumblr? The man is a Saint. ;)

  • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

    Haven’t been around much today…but has this not been discussed?

    http://www.thescore.com/nhl/news/525344

    • esk

      Yup…jackets obviously win that trade.Rumours they were going to buy him out. Not sure what philly was thinking but they do save around $9.5 million. Umberger is signed only for the next 3 years whereas hartnell is signed for the next 5 years..

      • Jakester

        Philadelphia getting close to the Islander level with the moves they’ve been making.

  • Cactus Face Elmer

    in other news

    Ben Harpur and Curtis Lazar are both invited to the world junior summer camp

  • Kumar

    Ottawa should go with 3 “A”; starting with Chris Phillips, Neil and Turris. May be alternate Turris and Karlsson based on road versus home games.

    • Jakester

      Let’s just name a Captain, why 3 A’s, are we in mourning or something. Let’s name a Captain and forget last years nightmare.

      • Zelle

        Because if they name one I guarantee it will be Phillips.

        • Jakester

          Hope not, if it is, it’s for 2 years then it’s 7-65-or 27. And 27 ain’t Kovalev.

        • Brock

          Who cares who’s the captain? Wasn’t Phillips kept for “Leadership”? He’s been here for a long time. I don’t see anything wrong with him being the captain.

          • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

            Because ideally he is a 7th D at best…realistically he will be our 6th.

            Personally I don’t want an over the hill, has been representing our team. It is time to follow the trend and give it to one of the young guys(I know this won’t happen but…) Imagine you give it to Lazar if he makes the team(all indications are that he is 100% captain material) he will bleed Sens, all he would know is leadership.

            I know that is unrealistic but it is time for us to forget about the old guard and fully move on.

    • Aaron 2.0

      I really like the idea of 3 A’s. I’ve been pretty vocal about it. With losing the longest serving caption in the league, I think it would have been quite easy to make an argument for this last year, Of course, hind-sight is 20/20.

      If we’re going with 3 As, I see that as the impetus for an open (& hopefully healthy) competition of sorts to see who steps up as the next captain. Naming Phillips, Neil, & Turris would seem like the foregone conclusion would be that the next captain will be Turris (as the other 2 are ageing vets). If going with 3 A’s is something that gains any traction, at least 2 should be potential captain candidates, IMO. If not, you might as well just name the next captain.

  • Kumar

    Chirp any other players that might be on the move from Ottawa ?

  • FistsofNeil25

    It seems like every few days a contract is given out to a good young player in the NHL that makes Greenings deal look like a damn joke. First it was Tyler Johnson and Ondrej Palat, then Alex Killorn and Jamie McGinn. Now its Brayden Schenn signing a two year extension with Philly with an annual cap hit of 2.5M.

    What the hell was Murray on when he signed that deal. If these guys listed above are in the 2.5M -3.3M range then Colin Fucking Greening should be making no more than 1M per year.

    • spezzerman

      I’m not saying its right but Colin Greening has Bryan Bickel to thank for that contract. They saw Bickel get 4M per year for 4 years and saw Greening as that same player. Obviously bickel had a Cup and a great playoff behind him but at the time Greening had better regular season numbers in every category that makes guys like that valuable. He had shown signs of being a playoff performer. They gambled they could get him cheaper last summer than this summer. They were wrong but those types of gambles aren’t necessarily a bad thing for a budget team.

      If Colin Greening can put up 10G and be physically consistent I really dont have a problem with his contract, and that’s not out of the question.

      • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

        Physical?!!??!?! Do we have a second Colin Greening I don’t know about?

        I wish he was physical considering how strong he apparently is.

        • spezzerman

          Haha, yeah he has a lot of work to do there.

        • Doc

          Greening finished 17th in the league in hits. Neil 7th. ;)

          • FistsofNeil25

            Neil actually crushes people. Greening just bumps guys as he finishes his checks.

          • Doc

            Disagree. Although Neil has a tendency to make crushing hits which tend to have that ‘holy crap!’ sensation, Greening is no slouch either. He always finishes his checks, which is what MacLean wants him to do. I just think they shouldn’t be both on the same line.

            It’s funny though, when Greening had more of a producing role (if you can call it that), fans wanted him to use his size more. Now that he does it, fans want him to produce more to justify his salary.

            Although I agree that his next contract will come with a steep price, he does have value and brings a specific tools set that you need in a team. I’m not ready to give up on the guy yet.

          • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

            I do agree that we should keep him around…I am personally just frustrated as I am not sure where to pencil him in.

            He could theoretically be your 6th guy, if he finds that knack around the net again, could be an average third liner or a great fourth liner.

          • Frank

            People get too worked up by goals and assists. There are players that bring other skills to the table. Sure Greening needs to score more but he plays a physical game, has good speed for a big guy and is pretty responsible in his own end. I think he will have a good season if he’s taken off the “4th” line. I’d like to see him on a line with Zbad and Hoffman/Stone. Put Condra on the 4th line with Pageau and Neil? That leaves Lazar/Smith/Hoffman/Stone for the 3rd line

          • Jakester

            What line would you put Greening on, I only see him on the fourth. Hopefully Neil will be replaced on that line. Trade him or 13th forward. Neil has really declined, not too mention the stupid penalties. We have too many good young players to clog one of our top 3 lines with his skill set.

          • Doc

            I’d be curious to see Greening-Zibby-Stone for sure.

            I wouldn’t be surprised to see this combination at some point in the beginning of the season.

          • KJ

            Agree with you on these points about Greening.

          • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

            Are you serious?!?!

            I am honestly shocked by that, I genuinely can’t even remember a single solid hit last season.

          • Doc

            Yep, for the longest time during the season, they both were in the top 10 in hits.

      • Shibal

        Greening’s 4 points in 10 games in the 2013 playoffs does not even come close to what Bryan Bickel was doing for the Blackhawks. I think that Greening’s contract was just a plain stupid move by Murray.

        • spezzerman

          He regular season numbers, on per game basis, were better. Thats what I am saying. Hindsight is 20/20…

          • FBP

            Hopefully he’ll train hard this summer and be beast in 14/15.

          • FistsofNeil25

            I don’t think it’s a lack of training. He probably trains his ass off. He just has very little skill. Plays die on the guys stick. The worst part is he’s not even a smart player. He’s not good defensively. He has one person to thank for that contract and that persons name is Jason Spezza.

          • KJ

            I am afraid you disagree with someone who is paid to know about Colin Greening: Assistant GM Dorion. Hmmm… anyways. its your opinion. Just saying the Sens do like him.

          • Shibal

            I was actually trying pick on your comment – about Greening – being a playoff performer. I mean, the only good thing he pulled off was scoring one OT goal in a losing series against the Penguins. If that is how management was measuring Greening and Bickel, well then, I think that Murray’s assessment was completely flawed.

          • spezzerman

            Oh I agree – he has only played 17 games in the playoffs, hardly enough to justify anything. I just meant he was quite solid in a third line role with Condra that year. They did their job at least.

            AS I said, it was a gamble based on the price that Bickel had set that they could get him cheaper last summer than this summer.

        • KJ

          Have you heard Dorion talk about Greening? The Sens like what he does for them, and not necessarily on the score board. He skates, he hits, and he back checks. goals will come, but yeah he ain’t winning any scoring race.

          • Jakester

            Hopefully talking him up to trade him. GM’s and asst GM’s do that also. You never talk badly about a player.

          • KJ

            Possibly. You never know when a guy gets traded.

      • aegiszx

        And you’re probably right to an extent… I really wish they didnt look at Bickell’s contract though… It’s true, he’s an absolutely beast in the playoffs, but boy o boy during the regular season you’ll be lucky to see him. I wish the Hawks just paid Bicks for the playoffs and then told him to go golf for the regular season lol…

    • FBP

      I think we also bought UFA years from Greening where as some of these others only bought RFA years. I’m not sure of Greening’s status at signing time though.

  • Sandy

    So Stastny will listen to other teams’ offers.
    Chirp, any word on if the Sens have interest? Or would it just be a waste of time to try.

    • RUSH RLZ

      In a world of budget, we would be an obvious choice. Few players have the high ceiling to replace our seemingly departing Spezz at center.

    • SensChirp

      A nearly impossible pitch for the Senators to make, in all honesty. Especially to an American born player.

  • spezzerman

    Love hearing that MArleau and Thornton indeed have every intention of remaining Sharks and trying to finish what they started. So it comes down to Kesler or Spezza and the asking price isnt about to come down…

    https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/sharks-lifer-patrick-marleau-wants-to-stay–ndash–and-win–ndash–in-san-jose-223025034-nhl.html

    • EK65

      Possibly Stastny too

      • spezzerman

        yes true but at least then Colorado likely enters that market for a L1 or L2 Center…

      • Kumar

        Buddy, this will give us a chance to negotiate with Stastny.

      • Spoons

        Could you imagine if we get Tarasenko in the Spezza trade and then land Stastny as a UFA? That’s like keeping Spezza and Hemsky but 5 or so years younger.

  • JayRuN

    Off topic here but what position did Lazar play on Canada at the world juniors?

    • Sensturion

      Wing, if I’m not mistaken.

    • Jakester

      Right wing.

    • Doc

      RW.

      He can play both C and RW effectively.

    • JayRuN

      Ok thanks. Was just thinking if we got Tarasenko how stacked we would be on right wing for the future if Ryan signs.

      God im hopin for Tarasenko. I know I know dont get your hopes up.

  • BeJamin

    Would be great to get Stastny, really doubt he’s interested in us though. I could honestly see him jumping ship to St.Louis, or just re-signing in Colorado. Something isn’t right over there though. The whole O’Reilly situation and Statsny eyeing the door as well. Seems odd for such a good young team.

  • Moudy Mahfouz

    Man I have not commented on here since the end of the season and it feels good to finally be back! Graduation is over with and I dont think i remember an off-season where I have been so nervous for other then this one. Me being a huge Spezza fan hate to see him go and will actually be kind of dissapointed when he gets traded but the future is now for this organization and I am excited to see the Young team take the reigns for the next couple of season. Without Phillips, we are a very young team and buckle up because as of now, if we get what Murray is asking for Spezza, I am kind of excited for next season and the new generation of Sens. On the other hand, I am most concerned with our D-core and would like to see a new face in that top 6. Buckle up sens fan because these next 2 weeks are going to be a hell of an emotional ride(especially for Spezza lovers). Go Sens Go

    Bold Prediction: Spezza and Wiercioch and a late pick for Shattenkirk Berglund and 2nd round pick. maybe another pick as well.

    Dont wanna see Wiecioch go but I think we move him.

    • Doc

      Congrats on the graduation.

  • Sandy
    • peetypuck

      Yes, they have a salary structure and strict budget as well. If Duchene is at the top of the salary structure it`s going to be difficult to keep Stastny.

      • Sandy

        Depends on if Stastny and ROR want to be on a team which will be good for many years, or go to a contender now whose window could close in a year or two.

    • A-Train

      Sure does. Also: do these bloggers even read their own stuff before publishing? The typos alone!

  • NickofTime

    IMO Spezza will be dealt this week whether we want him to be or not, this owner is shedding salary as much as possible as he tries his best to reach the cap floor. I think the return for Spezza should be Bergland & a 1st I hope. I also think that Anderson will be traded at some point this season probably close to the trade deadline.
    I expect BM will not be finished with the Spezza trade but will make a pitch for both Chris Stewart & Ryan ‘Reilly who both would fit nicely on a 2nd lkine with Berglund.

    • Sandy

      What does severe shoulder injury mean? It means I, as a fan, don’t want that trade for Berglund.
      After reading some comments on Stewart don’t know if I want him either.
      Ryan O’Reilly it would have to be a huge overpayment since the Sens would be in a fight with 28 other teams to get him.

      • Doc

        But god damn would ROR look good in red and black.

        • A-Train

          Stop torturing yourself. He won’t be traded for a guy they’ll have to pay as much or more (Spezza) in the coming years. I haven’t really understood the Colorado rumours from the beginning. Why wouldn’t they just re-sign Stastny?

          • Doc

            The red would go so well with his eyes….

            WHY GOD WHY

          • A-Train

            hey … just concentrate on Berglund’s baby blues.

            (ps i have no idea if he has blue eyes)

          • Sandy

            Based on the hockeybuzz link I put below — it’s about Colorado and that, although unspoken, no player can earn more than Duchene..
            Take a read below, very interesting.

          • A-Train

            I read it. Good read. But it doesn’t really help me explain a situation where Colorado would trade O’Reilley for Spezza.

            Though I reserve the right to be pleasantly proven wrong.

      • Jakester

        No don’t want Stewart but Berglund is a player I like. His shoulder will be fine!

      • Jakester

        O’Reilly is RFA so would be a trade NOT an open bidding war if I’m not mistaken.

        • Sandy

          My bad.. I’m thinking of Stastny.

    • Jakester

      Jaskin with Berglund and the first would be nice. We could throw in a spare forward too, maybe Condra.

      • Sensturion

        Berglund’s career high 52 points happened when the Blues were an average team. Since then, he’s regressed. Meanwhile, Spezza, despite his defensive shortcomings, has stayed roughly a point a game player. Jaskin, a Russian, is a meh prospect. He’s good, but he’s not great. Do I think a Spezza trade is going to bring in a great package? No. However, I should hope that we get more than players teams don’t want anyway. Not to mention throwing in Condra just because we don’t want him.

        Also, Berglund doesn’t have a contract right now. Why would you trade Spezza for someone’s rights? I don’t care if he’s an RFA, you trade draft picks for rights, not a 1st liner. Especially considering Berglund is kind of a 3rd liner himself. We have too many bottom six players. I say, no thanks, St. Louis. If you’re really serious about making this push of yours and you think Spezza is the missing piece, you better ante up.

        • A-Train

          I guess i keep coming back to: We gave up Silfverberg, Noesen and a first for Ryan. Aren’t these rumoured St.Louis packages about the same thing?

          • Sensturion

            Silfverberg was a highly touted prospect. After the lockout shortened season, all anyone could talk about, fans and experts included, was how great of a player Silf was going to be. Noesen, while not as highly touted as most first rounders, was looking to be quite the draft choice. People were already pencilling him into Ottawa’s lineup; the next Alfie, they were calling him (look up past comment sections if you don’t believe me). Not to mention the first pick (which worked out better for Anaheim). If I remember correctly, people said the trade was great but Anaheim, in the long run, was the clear winner.

            If all we get for Spezza is Berglund, Jaskin and a pick, I’ll be incredibly disappointed and I’ll be the first to say the trade is a loss for Ottawa.

          • sprucesens

            yes! this! silfverberg was considered, what, 5th? in the top prospects ranking before he played a half season with us, only to do relatively decent in his short time in north america. He got injured this year, and didn’t look like a star, but he’s also playing bottom 6 with less skilled players, in a different role. And he still produced at the same pace he did here, which i believe was .4-.5 ppg. I can assure you, no fans, nor the team, wanted to give up silfverberg, as they could see him as a long term great player. Had we changed out silf for say, Smith or greening unsigned, that would be about the equivalent of the package we would be getting from st. louis.(with rattie/jaskin and 1st) No team would say yes to that, for a star player. And we sure as hell better not, or we will be the laughing stock of the league. It will be the same reaction as today with hartnell being traded. “i wish we would have known he was available, or we would have made a better offer than that”

          • Jakester

            I would take Berglund over Silf anyday. And Jaskin over Noesen. So yes, packages are similar. You know whAt, I would take Berglund and Paajarvi. Paajarvi would do well in ottawa. So much talent there, the kid just needs to be told to go out and be aggressive.

          • A-Train

            I like your pro-Berglund stance. It’s going to be an important POV around here after the trade happens…

          • Jakester

            He’s better than people give him credit, people think Spezz will bring you a super stud player, we can all pray but a Berglund, pick and good prospect is quite nice. Anaheim might be able to offer more so let’s hope.

          • A-Train

            I’m still holding out hope Nashville does something crazy.

          • sprucesens

            29 teams could offer more quite easily to get spezza. Like i said, berglund is a good player, but he’s 3C when he’s at his best. He’s the kind of player you trade condra and a mid pick for. Especially since its just his rights, and you don’t know if he is filing for arbitration(if he qualifies) or has high salary demands. He’s basically an identical player to greening in many senses. Except he has major shoulder surgery coming up. This breaks that deal off completely

          • sprucesens

            i’d say paajarvi is in bust mode. He couldn’t even crack the edmonton roster on the 3rd or 4th lines, let alone the top 6. Berglund has topped out, and has set his peak at 3C. a decent 3C, but nothing more. And is now an injured, unsigned RFA, who will likely want 3.5-4 million. He will not be a better player than turris who is making 3.5, and at best on our team, he’s a 3C. And i’d prefer silfverberg, because he barely has played 82 games yet in the NHL, let alone NA. Give him a full season at his current scoring rate, and he’d be the equivalent of berglunds best season. He’s much younger and has a higher potential ceiling. Jaskin over noeson, i would only agree with now, because noeson’s career is likely over. By the time he heals, anaheim will likely have no room/need for him, and will have other prospects ahead of him. Like i’ve said a few times now, its either tarasenko or shwartz, possibly straight up, or they aren’t getting spezza. That in my mind, is the only way st. louis could even be considered the front runner.

        • Jakester

          He’s played on a team that stifles offence. The guy plays a complete game, he works hard. He’s big and can snipe when he gets a chance to play with decent players. Also, Karlsson will add some points to his stats like he does for all Sens players.

          • Sensturion

            Tell that to Condra, Greening, Hoffman, Neil, Pageau and the like. I’m sure they’d love to have a few of Karlsson’s passes/goals benefit them.

          • Jakester

            Some of the guys you name have zero talent, and aren’t out there with Karlsson funny guy!

          • Sensturion

            And yet Karlsson plays what… 30 minutes a game? At some point, they play together. There are 12 forwards and only 6 defencemen. They all play together.

          • Jakester

            Have to admit, GSN must’ve played a bit with him last year. Just goes to show how unproductive they are, no reflection on Karl. Karlsson should be unbelievable this year. Health and mind should be so much better.

          • Sensturion

            He’s about to watch another friend pack his bags and ditch the only team he’s played for. Not sure how Karlsson is going to be feeling mentally.

          • Jakester

            Are you sure they’re friends……

          • Sensturion

            Are you sure they’re not…….

          • Sensturion

            Not to mention that Steen, Oshie, Schwartz, Shattenkirk and Pietrangelo all had career years on a team that “stifles offence”. Uhh… yeah. LAWYERED.

          • Jakester

            They all put up points but nobody is really in the top 20 players in offence. Good team defence does lead to more balanced scoring. Sens will aspire to something like that next year.

        • sprucesens

          berlund is a 3rd liner, and has very little chance of reproducing 50 points, regardless of his linemates. He should certainly not be a center piece for a deal. Everyone here says spezza’s value is low because he only has one year left on his contract. And those people think berglund is the return. How do we figure a 3rd liner with NO contract is a reasonable return for a PPG 1C? Imagine you were a st. louis fan. Those trade proposals would be what everyone has written, berlund, rattie 1st. That’s a good prospect, but not great, a weak 1st and an RFA. Basically bottom 6 players at best. You can’t just trade 3 mediocre pieces and get a ppg 1C. Why don’t we trade prince, our 1st(if we had it) and greening for getzlaf? certainly that’s the best offer they could get, no? (sarcasm). we’ll get more than that. it’ll be a better player, or the inclusion of at least one more first round pick. Even if we have to send a D

          • Jakester

            Well face the facts, who is St Louis going to give you. I doubt about other teams real interest in Spezza. We’ll see come Friday. But come hell or high water you can bet your bottom dollar Murray will move him before the draft. To our delight or dismay.

          • sprucesens

            that’s true that he’s on the move. i can see him waiting till the 1st or second when teams miss out on other UFA’s, or other team’s get better, but imagine most of it happens on draft day. But if that package “berglund, rattie/jaskin, 1st” is all he can get from st. louis, 19 other teams could swoop in and beat that by far without even blinking an eye

          • Jakester

            Well it will be a 2014 first so must happen before the draft, I’m thinking.

          • sprucesens

            yeah, obviously it would change to 2015 if it happened after, but i might be mistaken, but do they even have a ’15 1st? Or do they only lose that if miller were to resign?

      • KJ

        Um. NO!

    • PaulMacLeansDuster

      Except that Spezza only makes 4M next season while Bergund is an RFA who was tendered at 3.25M. They would have to pay him more then Spezza will be making to keep him for more then 1 season, at which time he will become a UFA. This is why I really don’t think Berglund will be involved in the deal. Too much money for an injured player who is one season away from being a UFA. If St. Louis insists on Berglund being the centre piece to a Spezza deal, he won’t be going to St.louis.

      • sprucesens

        at most, i can see him being the added piece. Like they offered shwartz, but anaheim offered DSP, 1st and silf back. Then they added berglund, and we liked that better. Just spitballing, not saying those are accurate or fair, just a scenario of how berglund could be included. Which i actually think he would, unless they plan on sending him elsewhere, they don’t need him for that $$ as 4th C

  • Sandy

    Retweeted by Elliotte Friedman

    Dan Rosen @drosennhl · 6h

    Ryan O’Reilly: “There’s no question that I want to be in Colorado next year and try to win [there]. My agent knows that.”

    • A-Train

      He’s not coming to Ottawa. Let’s just end that idea now. The trade doesn’t make sense for Colorado.

    • Jakester

      Never believe A comment like this, he wants out! Lol

      • Sensturion

        You willing to foot his 6 million dollar contract? God knows Eugene isn’t.

        • Jakester

          Lots of Cap space, move Cowen and Anderson and you have lots and lots of Money.

          • Sensturion

            Where have you been for the past year? Cap space isn’t the issue.

          • Jakester

            You move a little more money and you can sign a big contract or two and stay near the 56 million, accounting isn’t that hard to figure out!

          • Sensturion

            Ottawa is going to struggle getting to the cap FLOOR.

          • Jakester

            That’s when you sign a player who commands a bigger salary?

  • Matt

    I’m hoping they trade spezza for the best defensive defencemen they can get. Sign vrbata Derek Roy (probably had for cheap) and orpik. Crap the bed the next few years hopefully getting top 3 franchise players and put an end to this “rebuild” which was suppose to be over by now. A new owner would be nice too.

    • 010101011111101010101010101010

      A new owner is essential

  • Sensturion

    Unless Murray pulls off a miracle and gets a top 6 player, it’ll be a long year in Ottawa, I’m sorry to say.

    Turris was great as a SECOND line center. He, MacArthur and Ryan played sheltered minutes behind Spezza. Turris was the perfect 2nd liner. He was dependable both offensively and defensively. However, once teams realised that the Turris-Mac-Ryan line was the line that needed to be contained, their numbers dropped considerably. Spezza was then given the room to start putting up points again (Hemsky helped a lot). Even Michalek started putting points up.

    I worry that Turris, as a first liner, will have a ton of trouble keeping the O running. All I can do is hope that I’m wrong.

    • A-Train

      Well, yeah. Sad but true. They finally got the perfect second line centre…just in time for him to become the first line centre. Hopefully Murray’s Zibanejad Prophecy comes true…….

    • Jakester

      Out to lunch, TUrris was the number one Center, doing all the heavy lifting for the ones who slack off. Face the facts, you like lying to everyone out here. He’s super talented, give him better offensive starts and more Pp time and he’s the point a game player!

      • A-Train

        But you can’t discount that having Spezza in the lineup helped Turris, right? Don’t have the #fancystats in front of me, but common sense tells you other teams put out a good line against Spezza. If it’s Turris/Zibanejad next season, he’ll have a tougher time.

        • Jakester

          No look at the stats, Zibby behind TUrris would have been a lot better. Zibby’s possession numbers are up with the top 20 players in the league(elite company). So, why was he playing 12-14 minutes a night? The kid is ready to carry the load. Hell we did it in the strike shortened year. Our overall team play that year was a lot tighter and more intense without Spezza’s high risk one way play.

          • A-Train

            Well, it’s possible — likely even — that both Turris and Zibanejad are even better this year than they were last year.

            But you can’t convince me that having Spezza in the lineup didn’t help them out last season.

          • laughing

            It’s okay … when things are even worse this year, Jakester/Jacques/whateverhisnameoftheweekis will still be trying to tell you that Spezza’s awful, lol.

          • Sensturion

            When Spezza is putting up points on another team and potentially winning the cup, he’ll still be saying we’re better off while we all sit at home, bored because the Sens are out of the playoffs yet again.

          • Jakester

            Haha , we’ll be damn happy that a team wants him!

          • A-Train

            Jakester is Jacques. I didn’t really process this. I always pictured Jacques as a creepy older dude who had an unhealthy obsession with our youngest prospects. Jakester seemed more sane….until now.

          • Jakester

            No I’m a good looking middle age guy with a beautiful wife and twin boys, who spends his money to drive up from Montreal to see his Sens play! And wants a winner and not a team that ole Spezz has had close to 10 years now to turn into a winner! Won’t happen! Evolve please, here you go TUrris and Zibby, and Karl, the team is yours now! Go Sens Go!

          • Jakester

            And laughing is Sensnation who changed his name cuz he got told off a few weeks ago by someone.

          • laughing

            Who’s Sensnation? I’m definitely not them, whoever they might be. Sorry to disappoint you.

          • Jakester

            Yeah, whateva

          • laughing

            Believe what you want, but it doesn’t make it true. :P

          • Jakester

            I went back to Jakester which I always was. When he updated his site, it took my first name. So I just changed it back. What’s it to you??

          • laughing

            You seem to be ignoring the fact that you changed your name quite frequently (almost daily) a few months back — it wasn’t simply between Jacques and Jakester. Nice try though — evidence to the contrary is on the website and in your profile.

            Have you heard of sock puppetry? You might want to take a look at its definition.

          • Jakester

            Them, great English there! Him maybe!

          • laughing

            Actually, it’s grammatically correct, since gender is unknown of the person(s) in question. I’d suggest you brush up on your English language skills.

          • Jakester

            With All do respect, everything really points otherwise my friend.

        • Doc

          Oh it definitely helped, but Turris had the better quality of competition for the better part of this season. Although with how well the way the Spezza/Hemsky combo worked in the last 20 games, opponent’s lines were adjusted accordingly.

          I think both Zibby and Turris would benefit from having even bigger roles this season. Whether or not they get promoted within their roles remains to be seen.

          If they decide to go in that direction, I won’t mind the ups and downs that will come with it. I’m in it for the ride.

          • Jakester

            Overall, with assets coming in this team could be a lot better defensively and will score enough goals.

    • Jakester

      Sheltered minutes behind Spezza you’re delusional. The guy was -26 Sens couldn’t shelter Spezza enough now the whole Organization wants him out! TUrris was far from sheltered. He lead the Sens all year! Playing solid 2 way hockey!

      • A-Train

        Shouldn’t that -26 tell you that Spezza was on the ice versus some pretty good players??

        • Jakester

          No just tells me he was pretty bad. He got better zone starts than TUrris so it’s quite concerning actually! 50 goal difference between lines and you dare tell me that Spezza was carrying TUrris, Come on!

          • Sensturion

            Carrying and sheltering are two different things. Carrying would be if Turris was Spezza’s linemate and he put up wicked numbers that he wouldn’t of put up with say, Condra.

          • Jakester

            We could have done without his sheltering, and thank god we won’t have too this year!

          • Sensturion

            Past seasons have shown that when Spezza isn’t playing, the team seems to win. That sadly can’t be disputed. However, when Spezza isn’t playing, the team has one hell of a time mustering offence.

          • Jakester

            Ok, but this team, isn’t the team we had in previous years. No doubt in my mind some of the young players we have plus Ryan will score plenty if we cut the goals against. Plus we should, through trade pick up 2-3 assets(not just Spezza trade but others too).

          • Sensturion

            You realise that, besides Greening, no one playing for Ottawa has ever been a designated 1st liner, right? Ryan didn’t play 1st line minutes in Anaheim, btw.

          • Jakester

            You create your opportunity, don’t tell me Ryan isn’t skilled enough to be a first liner? If we got rid of a few of our useless players, we could plug in some of our more skilled and ready prospects. Enough with Condra,Greening, Neil!

          • Sensturion

            Those three players usually do some major damage come playoff time (when the team qualifies). Just saying…

          • Jakester

            Then let’s keep the crappy players and stagnate forever not promoting our guys who deserve to move up. Love watching Condra,Greening,and Neil play hockey, that’s how I get my jolly’s! And the only major damage they do in the playoffs is to my eyeballs!

          • laughing

            Correlation =/= Causation

          • A-Train

            Not saying he was “carrying” him. Only that Spezza is a respected player in the league. Teams come up with a game plan for shutting him down. Anyone who’s played bit of hockey (or any sport really) knows this.

          • Sensturion

            Exactly. Teams don’t play their bad players against Lebron James. They throw their best at him. When Crosby’s on the ice, you keep hitting and pushing him around, you don’t let him do his thing.

          • Jakester

            Respect my dear friend comes from hard work ethic, I think he’s lost some of that from his coach and fellow players! Sorry to say!

          • A-Train

            Oh come on. Don’t be that kind of fan. You’re better than that.

          • Jakester

            We’d be keeping him if he was able to change his game but he can’t. The type of fan I am, is one who wants to win and we won’t with him.

      • laughing

        LOL, plus/minus is the most useless statistic in hockey, followed by giveaways/takeaways. Please for the love of all things sane, don’t use it.

        • Jakester

          Well what were you’re eyes watching this year bud! I know what I was seeing, turnover after turnover and lazy ass defensive play.

          • laughing

            Must be nice watching hockey with your biased blinders on …

          • Jakester

            Glad you’re laughing cuz you’re an idiot!

          • Sensturion

            I thought we had gotten rid of Jacques… apparently we were wrong. I’d rather argue with Tookie because at least he brings facts to the table.

          • Jakester

            Oh sorry, but what is biased. You’re all trying to tell me that Spezza in the lineup and this team will progress. If that were the case Sens would resign him. This isn’t about money, this guy just can’t play winning hockey. You don’t win with him, sure might have two goals at the end of year for TSN play of the year but that’s it. TUrris,Zibby,Lazar,and Pageau types you win with. Guys who bust their asses off.

          • A-Train

            Wow. This is quite an unravelling for you tonight. The mask is off. Hi Jacques!

          • Jakester

            Hi A-Train, just frustrating people would be Ok with the status quo come on now!

          • KJ

            Sorry man. Can’t agree with you here (about Spezza that is).

          • Cactus Face Elmer

            Tookie facts like
            “Italy has already clinched a World Cup playoff spot” ?

          • Jakester

            Exactly, Tookie full of facts!

          • 010101011111101010101010101010

            Tookie’s M.O.

            He selectively ignores valid counter-arguements
            and when he makes a mistake in a post or
            paints himself into a corner he’ll explain that you actually
            misunderstood what he meant.
            .
            .
            .
            Tookie: It’s not going to rain today.
            (starts raining)
            Tookie: I meant in Japan
            (quick Internet search shows it’s raining in Japan)
            Tookie: Yeah but it’s tomorrow already in Japan
            (more Internet searching shows it’s been raining in Japan for four days)
            Tookie: I meant the other Japan
            ….

          • KJ

            exactly. but to be fair maybe not a sport he follows as much as his beloved hockey. :)

          • laughing

            Ah, name calling … the last resort of the desperate when they can’t argue the facts. It might be time for you to brush up on your logical fallacies.

          • Sensturion

            *cough* Karlsson *cough* and his job is to PLAY D

          • Jakester

            He was playing on one foot and still out scored all other D in the league by 20 points. Not his fault he had an incompetent partner(Cowen) for most of the year, not to mention forwards who don’t know how to cover for a pinching D-man.

        • sprucesens

          i’m glad someone else share’s my opinion on +/-. It is such a random luck useless stat. The BEST way it can be used, is relative to the team, and even that doesn’t say too much. If the team is -20 in goal differential at the end of the year, and a player is -20, it’s really not that bad. But then you have to look at how the player played to get that -20. But if a team is -20, and you have a player who is +30, that’s usually a really good player, especially when both happen the same year. Even then, the stat is bogus, because you could just step on the ice and the play is 150 ft away, and your team scores! +1. Or vice verca, a turnover happens, and a player skates off rather than back checking, then you step on and get a -1 when the team get’s scored on. Then Player A rushes back hard to prevent a breakaway, however, still get’s scored on. Player B is still up floating by center ice, get’s the same -1. Yet analysts will say they both were bad defensively, and are not having a good game…. i hate that stat…

    • Aaron 2.0

      I don’t think that’s completely a fair assessment of Turris last year. Someone on this site presented this data at the end of the year. Quality of competition ended up being about as close to equal as you can get for the two players. So, we essentially ended up with a 1A and 1B line (take your pick on what centre was on what line).

      Your thought process on the time-history of the season is an interesting consideration. I’m sure it’s true that Spezza’s line started with higher quality of competition. But, it didn’t take most of the season before some team’s started treating the Turris line as L1 (it was really team dependent). That actually happened pretty quickly (probably by the quarter-season). And, it’s probably just as true to say that Spezza benefited from sheltered minutes when he finally started coming around, as many teams would still be targeting Turris more than Spezza (until they realized he was playing better). Both Turris and Spezza played ‘sheltered’ minutes behind each other, depending on the time of the season and the team against. In the end, advanced stats suggest is was about as balanced as can be.

      And, while it’s also true that the pace set by Turris did slow down, his highest-scoring winger also ran into injury issues later in the season. Further, I’d be cautious about analyzing any one time period of the season. Too short of a sample is prone to all kinds of crazy trends.

  • hq8

    why cant BM just shut up about Spezza. every offseason he talks about Jason Spezza and then acts all innocent and plays the victim card. every season BM has been GM, there have been Jason Spezza trade rumblings, ranging from silent whispers to this off-seasons full blown intentions. and really, didnt spezza kind of give Murray the go ahead a couple of seasons ago too when fans booed him in that Penguins first round series loss? how was this time any different? it probably was because Murray finally sees a good enough chance to do what he has always wanted and make enough justifications for it.

    i find BM to be one of the most frustrating GMs.

    8 NHL defensemen eh – watch ‘em trade the wrong ones for the wrong prices. they will do it, you can trust it. could have avoided this headache by just choosing to not sign Phillips.

    what a shitshow honestly. its to the point where you cant even blame the budget because whatever is available is being wasted on Greening, Phillips, Neil, Cowen…to the point where they can’t even retain a guy like Spezza.

    There is enough good players in the sens system to convince a guy like Spezza to stay, Zib, Stone, Lazar, Pageau, Prince, Peumpel…., but sens management is so hell bent on their screwed up thinking that they cant even fathom to materialize the good that they themselves have built in the form of prospects. its worse when there is examples all around the league where teams like COL are pushing their prospects ahead and having exciting seasons.

    but us sens fans will again probably get to see Zibanejad play 4th line minutes with lousy linemates or see some other weird combination. we will get to see Chris Phillips re-learn the PP after what 17 seasons in the league?

    honestly, to me, in terms of organizational behaviour, the sens have finally matched the leafs in unforced errors, prolonged mediocrity and frequent idiocity. the only difference is that the leafs have money, maybe a more capable roster than ours and better chances of an upswing.

    • laughing

      Yeah, you really have to wonder about the decisions being made.

    • sprucesens

      to be fair, i think the lineups were mac’s doing. And it seemed like murray alluded to that be saying he feels zib is top 6 and should be played as such. I agree on the phillips contract, that we will certainly lose a young D instead of phillips. Cowen they can still gamble on. If he’s bad again next year, he’ll be a reclamation project for some team looking for D the next year. Unfortunately, we are stuck with greening, unless someone like the oiler’s come in with a decent offer. I say decent, because it seems the organization would rather suffer through the mistake, than trade him for a 5th round pick. Hence the need of a good offer, to save face, like a 3rd round pick. Which would never happen. I feel we should be rid of the dead weight as well, and give the prospects a chance to shine, while signing a couple top UFA’s to lead them. Unfortunately, its not likely to happen

      • hq8

        stretching it further, i dont see justification anymore for the sens getting all emotional last yr and jumping at BR9. dont get me wrong, BR9 is killer and if this team planned right or is planning right, then is the best piece, but if they are ridding of spezza, then was even the point of giving up an NHL incumbent 2nd rounder, a NHL-nearing 1st rounder and a further future 1st rounder. no matter how hard BM tries, he wont be able to recoup that kind of haul with Spezza, infact he has only hampered his chances by continuously yapping about the whole thing.

        i feel BM has really mismanaged this team in the last 18 months starting all the way from the conacher trade. true Melnyk’s designs limit the number of good paths available to the org as a whole, but BM could have stayed put and waited everything out after the alfie debacle. instead he got egotistical on the sens so-called vaunted goaltending and went for the juggular with BR9, all the while forgetting that he probably let the wrong goalie go to an in-division team. to me that has naivette and rash decision making written all over it. Conacher for Bishop looks absolutely ridiculous now. he should have offloaded all of Phillips, Anderson and Neil last season – teams would have blindly overpaid. Andy’s price last off-season was off the charts, for everything BM gave up for BR9 he would have got helluva lot more back if he dangled Andy to 29 other teams. but Andy’s worth now is anyone’s best guess.

        going into the 2013 deadline, the sens looked primed to become maybe even dynastical, and much to BM’s credit. but i think he gambled on the wrong pieces and kept the junk on the team while successively letting go of all the valuable assets that every other team wanted off the sens and now he is about to let go another.

        right now, i would much rather have the 2013 pre-deadline Ottawa Senators roster going into the 2014/2015 season than what we have currently.

        • KJ

          wrong

    • 010101011111101010101010101010

      it all starts with getting a new owner who wants to and is capable of competing
      and not just existing

    • Frank

      What’s with your sudden blitz of really long winded “Murray sucks” posts? We get it, you don’t like him. Enough already

    • Sandy

      I’m willing to give Cowen the benefit of a doubt considering most of last season he was still dealing with his hip surgery recovery. Just like Karlsson was still dealing with his Achilles injury.
      Not comparing the two for skill as it is so one-sided in favour of Karlsson, but so many forgive Karlsson’s D struggles last year because of his injury, but did not give Cowen the same consideration,
      What would help this D tremdendously is bringing in Luke Richardson as asst coach. The issue there is he wants to stay in Bingo 1 more season.

  • Cactus Face Elmer

    HMMMMMM – some Eastern teams might now be willing to overpay for JS19

    ==================================================================

    LAS VEGAS — It sounds like if
    the San Jose Sharks rebuild after their latest playoff failure, they
    will do it with Joe Thornton and Patrick Marleau. Both have no-movement
    clauses in their contracts. Both plan to stay.
    “We’re looking forward to next year,” said Marleau at the NHL Awards on Monday.

    “It’s going to suck having to go through all the 82 games to get back into the playoffs to
    get to that point to actually do something about it.”

    Asked if he and Thornton expected to be back,
    Marleau said: “Yeah. As of right now, yeah.”
    =================================================================

  • Andrews theory

    BM has to look at the best deal available, east or west.

    It’s ridiculous to screw yòur future on the basis that you’ll have to meet him regularly for one year..

    Reality is, after this coming season he goes wherever he wants, get the best deal you can and move forward

    • sprucesens

      just driving up the prices in the east. If they want him, they’ll have to pay more than the west. Still should take the best deal available though

    • Sandy

      Florida for the 1st overall pick ++

  • BeJamin

    The Turris line mostly carried the team for most of the year. Advanced stats and possession metrics back that up. Eventually positive possession leads to positive goal differential. Plus minus doesn’t tell us a ton but in this case with a like that played together all year it largely tells us they tore up the opposition. And their qual of comp and zone starts were no softer than the Spezza line.

    Here’s the rub of course. First half of the season Spezza was recovering from injury. His linemates were also a joke. Enter Hemsky – an actual good possession player with skill and both points and team best possession metrics occurred. Spezza had two seasons last year. A terrible first half for multiple understandable reasons. And a blazing second half where he and then himself and Hemsky carried the team down the stretch especially with Ryan down for the count.

    Also include Spezza’s PP points and Turris’s as well. Goals win games. It’s silly not to include PP goals as a plus when we take a minus for shorties. Overall Spezza is much less a minus when you take into account his PP numbers he’s only minus 5. A slight negative impact on the team. If you look at just his second half or just his time with Hemsky – he’s a big positive.

    They’re both good players guys.

    • sprucesens

      very well said. i’m not against keeping spezza, but have more than realized he’s gone. But the team isn’t going to pony up the cash to give him quality line mates.

      • hq8

        I dont think Spezza is a needy type centreman who is leaving because BM wont give him the linemates. hell BR9 is still on the team and 2014/15 is a brand new season with Stone most definitely in the lineup with Zib also available for top 6 role.

        its too simplistic to me when the sens and their media underlings play it as “spezza requested a trade, hence we are making a trade”. BM has wanted to trade this guy for a long time and finally can get away with it without getting tomatoed all over ottawa. plus there is always that contingent of sens media and ottawa fans who dont like/will never like spezz’s defensive game.

        honestly, which skilled elite player doesnt want his team to blow the cash and load up for runs. but not all of them are Heatleys either. so my gut feel says, Spezza probably did harbor some wishes for improvement but isnt the kind of guy to gut the team over it. not after willingly accepting the captaincy. it also cant be true that he wants to quit over the finger-pointing just less than 8 mths after accepting captaincy. i mean he cant be that plain stupid to go into captaincy thinking it will all be rosy. and also cant lack integrity at that level either.

        this is all a result of a major major mismanagement by BM last deadline and offseason. giving up way too many assets in the BR9 trade. giving up an elite goalie for absolutely zilch. being forced into the alfie debacle by EM and not being able to manage it. gambling on greening and Cowen. messing up Zib’s progression with the SDC/Conacher/Pageau being better shit. messing up PW46′s progression. messing up Cowen’s progression. quite simply, trading JS19 is all BM can think of to recoup anything close to what he gave up for BR9 last offseason, because BM knows that his chances of keeping Ryan are only dwindling, not increasing and with BR9 being a UFA next season, he wants to gamble on the person he has wanted to trade all this time: JS19.

        • KJ

          its impossible. Spez reads all the clippings and vid on his team and all the rest of the goings on in the league. he is very plugged in.

        • Frank

          BM has wanted to trade Spezza for a long time??? Where did you get that?

      • KJ

        Its not that. I think there is a different philosophy now. times are different.

  • sbs138

    hey Chirp, how about a poll on whether on not Karlsson should be the next Captain? could open up the interesting debate you want to get going even more.

  • Jakester

    Montreal Radio saying that Philly will want to make a big splash on draft day since they’re hosting it. They said maybe they finally land Bobby Ryan in a trade, made me laugh……

    • Frank

      If they’re willing to overpay then BM needs to think it over. Simmonds and Schenn would look great on this team :)

    • FistsofNeil25

      Couturier + Read for Ryan + a dman and it’s a done deal!

      • Frank

        I wouldn’t want that deal from Philly. Hextall would accept immediately

        • FistsofNeil25

          They wouldn’t offer much more than that. When they were trying to get him out of Anaheim the Ducks were asking for Couturier + B Schenn and Philly wasn’t having any part of that.

          • Frank

            I’m not big on Couturier. I’d much rather have Schenn. I’d take Schenn, Read and their 1st for Bobby and a D-man + prospect

          • FistsofNeil25

            Fair enough. I think it’s pretty close between Schenn and Couturier. Schenn probably has more offensive upside but I think Couturier is the better all round player.

          • Frank

            Yeah, defensively Couturier is great. I just don’t think he has the offensive potential of a guy like Schenn. I like Brayden’s physical game and the fact that he was just signed to a VERY good deal

          • FistsofNeil25

            Schenn has 2 years @ 2.5M and Couturier has 2 years @ 1.75M. Both contracts are complete steals for Philly.

            You might be right about Schenn being a better fit for Ottawa though. His ability to play the left wing and center makes him pretty versatile. He would be a good asset to own.

    • Dirk-Diggler

      Couturier + Simmonds + Morin

      • FistsofNeil25

        Philly wouldn’t trade Simmonds 1 for 1 for Bobby Ryan.

    • Sandy

      So Philly wants Bobby Ryan. Big deal. I think the Sens would want Claude Giroux.
      You can want a player but in reality I don’t think either are available.
      Now if Ryan doesn’t want to re-sign then the Sens have no choice but to trade him.

    • ChampIsHere

      Ha, if they want to bring Ryan home, we’d have to be bringing Giroux home ;)

  • Dirk-Diggler

    I feel terrible for Spezza. The SUN just wrote another pulitzer prize winning article talking about all Spezza’s low lights. Is Don and Bruce trying to get the whole team to leave? I guess it’s easier to sell gloom and doom instead of actually writing positive stories.

    • FBP

      Let’s all just stop clicking on Brennan’s ‘articles’. All the interesting points and news will be here, normally before Brennan pontificates.

    • FistsofNeil25

      Don Brennan’s name should be blacklisted here just like Eklund. He’s such a dirtbag. Complete hack.

    • A-Train

      What about the other article “Breaking down Spezza’s Top 5 Moments with the Sens?

      http://www.ottawasun.com/2014/06/22/breaking-down-jason-spezzas-top-five-moments-with-sens

      • Dirk-Diggler

        That’s good… I am happy they wrote that.. But, they should not have wrote the other…

        • Frank

          Or write them in the same article. “The best and worst” of Jason Spezza. It wouldn’t have made the first article look so bad

  • Pasky

    SensChirp • 19 hours ago
    Here’s some news. Speaking to a contact this afternoon about the rumoured “Berglund, prospect, pick” package and it was pretty much dismissed as a potential return. Not sure if that’s because St. Louis didn’t offer that or Ottawa isn’t interested but either way, seems like good news.

    My question now is, if this package is not the return, but Spezza isn’t worth guys like Tarasenko/Oshie/Schwartz/Shattenkirk according to some people, just what the hell is St-Louis offering for Spezza? Considering they’re the front runers they gotta be offering something of value, and asides from the guys listed the only other players are Bouwmeester, Pietrangelo, Steen and Backes that have high value and out of reach if you ask me, and then Sobotka and Paajarvi who are 3rd liners that “may” be fringe 2nd liners on a team like ours that don’t have high calibure players.

    • SensChirp

      It’s a good question. Makes me think maybe the “exact” details on the package weren’t right. That Berglund was part of an offer but the other two pieces weren’t.

      And part of the Blues as favourite thing is I think they are a team at the top of Spezza’s list. Not that Spezza can hand pick or anything but if there’s a willingness to negotiate from the Blues, Murray will try to give Spezza a soft landing.

      • FistsofNeil25

        Who cares about giving Spezza a soft landing? We need to maximize the return we get for him. Spezza can pick wherever he wants to play out the rest of his career next summer. We don’t owe him anything. Just get the best return Murray.

        Do you think Murray would take a lesser offer from St Louis just to trade Spezza to his preferred destination?

        • Pasky

          I hope not. As discussed before I didn’t mind doing it for Fisher since he didn’t really want to leave the team. So that was more of the team doing a favor for Fisher since he didn’t really want to be traded in the first place. In this case, it’s more of a mutual break from both parties so since there’s less desire for Spezza to stay, the team shouldn’t have to cater to his wishes.

          • Lucretia

            You can make a good trade without being an asshole. The very least you can do for a point a game player that has been good to the team and the city for 11 years is try to come up with a trade that is good for both sides.

            Remember, it’s not like
            we have good weather, low taxes or an all star lineup to attract
            talent.

      • Pasky

        So something like a Berglund/player instead of prospect? I always liked the thought of maybe Spezza/Weircioch for Berglund/Shattenkirk/1st if we can get it. Have you heard anything about whether the teams open to make a package involving Spezza or do they only want to send him alone?

        • AutoTurris

          Weircioch is going to have a killer year if he plays, he’ll be just as good as Shatty soon, if not better

          • Pasky

            Agree but what other defenseman would you want to trade to them? I’m sure losing Shattenkirk means that they would want someone that can move the puck and I’d rather trade Weir instead of Ceci. If Cowen had a good year then I would want to trade Methot but I’d like to keep him since he and Karlsson are really our only proven top 4 guys right now.

          • AutoTurris

            I wouldn’t target Shat at all. Now, I’m not so naive as to think we don’t need a top 4 guy right now, that said though, our D corps is going to be stellar. We had a rough year. If we don’t trade for a D man, I won’t be surprised. This year or next we are going to impenetrable.

          • Frank

            I completely agree. I seriously think the Sens want to give this young D corps another year to see what they can do before tearing it down. I’m all for it too

          • FistsofNeil25

            I strongly disagree with this statement. I really like Wiercioch but he lacks the skating ability and the strength to be anything more than a bottom pairing guy.

            Shattenkirk can skate circles around Wiercioch. Wiercioch is half a foot taller and they weigh the same.

            I think Shattenkirk maxes out as a good #3 dman and Wiercioch maxes out as a good #5, maybe a #4 if he can improve his skating and strength.

          • Pasky

            Methot-Karlsson
            Cowen-Shattenkirk
            Phillips-Ceci
            Boro-Gryba

            or
            Methot-Karlsson
            Cowen-Weircioch
            Phillips-Ceci
            Boro-Gryba

            Unless Ceci starts in the A until an injury opens up a spot for him. Don’t think Melnyk would want to carry 8Ds during the season. It’s too bad as I thought Ceci played good but He’s still young so it’s not like a short stint in the minors will be bad for him.

          • FistsofNeil25

            To be honest I’m not worried about fixing the defense next year. i think there’s still a lot of potential there if Cowen and Ceci can become the players they’re expected to be. I wouldn’t want to add Shattenkirk because in 3 years from now Ceci is going to be a very capable top pairing defenseman to play the right hand side.

            We have way too many holes in our roster to plug for next season. Murray has to build the team now thinking 3 or 4 years down the road. By that time Ceci will be one of our best defenseman and we’ll have no need for Shattenkirk.

            I would rather target a top six winger in the Spezza trade than a top four defenseman.

          • Pasky

            Well Ceci might not be a bonafide Top 4 D for at least 2 years. If we have 8Ds to start the season I think me might be in the minors anyways so why not have Shattenkirk for now to keep us competitive? He has a 3 year contract so worst case scenario we can flip him later for a top pair guy for Karlsson if Methot or Cowen don’t work out, or for a forward in whatever we need.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Because I think we need to find a piece to build up our top six for now and the future. I think that’s a bigger need right now than a top four defenseman.

            I would rather try to sign a free agent to plug into our top 4 for next season and trade Spezza for a young forward.

            Our shotty defensive play can be addressed by the entire team playing better as a unit. I’m concerned about how the team is going to generate offense now with Spezza on his way out.

          • Dirk-Diggler

            I’d want Ceci to spend the year in the AHL also. He’s so young and I don’t want to ruin him. Let him, Pumpuel, Classen and I wish Lazar (but he can’t next year) grow and come to Ottawa in 15-16 ready to contribute every game in the NHL

          • spezzerman

            Agree. IF we dont move a dman, this is a likely scenario to start the season. Not the worst move either, Ceci is still very young and it cant hurt a guy to play top pairing minutes in the AHL for a full season before jumping up full time.

            Its what should have happened with Cowen, especially after he was clearly, clearly struggling and Wiercioch rotted in the press box. Surely the most puzzling move last year in a year of puzzling moves.

          • CUP 2014-15

            Just one problem, we all know that PW and Cowen come unglued playing the right side. The coaching staff put that to bed mid season, They can’t play together.

          • Pasky

            Which is why I suggested that Weircioch would be traded in a scenario that brings us Shattenkirk. Methot/Cowen/Phillips have the left side locked in next year and Borocop will be a plud for 20-30 games when we need toughness, kind of like having Carkner again.

            So as good as Weircioch might become one day, he is expendable to this team and is worth trading away for an upgrade.

          • CUP 2014-15

            Just been seeing a lot of Cowen and PW posted as a pairing like above and as we both know, PW looked his best at the end of the season playing back on the left side with EG. I had no idea it was that much of a task to move to the off side. Look at Methot’s twitter account and it states NHL Defenceman, preferably on the left side.

          • PraiseAlfie11

            So you figure he will go from benched to all star, if not better?

            I like pw46, but you need to lower your expectations a tad.

          • spezzerman

            Shattenkirk is a top pairing dman if he isnt behind Pieterangelo (sp?) on the right side

  • Finn 8

    I hate when the media says that Kyle Turris will have to carry the load on the first line this year and he will now have to deal with top defencemans . From the games I saw last year Turris line was the first line and they were getting top defencemans coverage and they did pretty good.

    Jaden Schwart is the player I would trade for.

    • Frank
    • A-Train

      I kind of feel like he peaked early in Rushmore and has struggled to match that rookie effort.

    • Sandy

      I’m sure Murray would like that as well, but he is probably not available, UNLESS another team like Anaheim or Dallas ups their offers.
      If St Louis really wants him, then they may have to deal Schwartz.

    • CUP 2014-15

      Could not agree more. Not only was he our first line centre last year but obviously the year before as well, when JS was on the shelf. I for one like Spezza a lot but the time has come to move on, here’s hoping BM can bring back a top 6 winger and some futures.

  • Dirk-Diggler

    If the return is a guy like Berglund and not much after that then I’d rather keep Spezza and deal him at the deadline. Getting Berglund (who will be signed for 4M+) will actually set us back. Since we are on a budget then that money will not be allocated elsewhere and we will have another bad contract on the books (Neil, Greening and Phillips) that restricts our improvement.

    Spezza will have an awesome year next year no matter where he plays. Heck, I’d even let him finish out the year here if he was motivated and contributing to us making the playoffs!

    • Pasky

      And then have him walk away for free? Keeping Spezza won’t bring us to the Cup and losing him for nothing isn’t worth 1 or 2 playoff rounds if you ask me… That would set us back more than having Berglund++ whatevr the pluses end up being.

    • Doc

      He’s not gonna stay.

    • FistsofNeil25

      Bringing Spezza back next season is not an option.

      • FBP

        Probably won’t happen. But it’s always an option. He’s contracted to play for us for one more year.

    • peetypuck

      As long as STL GM Doug Armstrong offers Berglund as the main piece in the Spezza trade Bryan Murray should just keep hanging up his cell phone. He could easily get that for him as a rental.

  • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

    Am I the only one that isn’t THAT concerned with our d… Especially not for next season.

    II think addressing our fw depth is far more urgent. I mean we already have too many bodies on the back end

    • AutoTurris

      Agree with you, the young guys will fill out I think

    • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

      Do we have a legitimate #2/3 guy… I’m not entirely sure. Could Ceci or Cowen become that or those guys? Maybe… Id rather give then a chance and get a legitimate top liner, and if they are sufficient address that issue down the line.

      It is looking more and more likely that we will be losing a whole top line… Not exactly something to ignore with this Spezza deal

      • Pasky

        If Cowen was able to prove that he can play effectively next to Karlsson then I would say we can trade Methot away for help up front, but we need him now in his last year of his contract. Otherwise, If Cowen was playing at a high level I would have rolled with this for this year.

        Cowen-Karlsson
        Weircioch-Ceci/Shattenkirk if traded to us
        Phillips-Gryba
        Borocop

    • Pasky

      All I would do is get a RHD to play with Cowen on the 2nd pairing, but if we don’t get it then it’s not that big of a deal. Right now it belongs to Ceci but if we resign Gryba s suggested then we’d be at 8Ds and I’m sure I remember BM saying that he doesn’t want to do that again meaning that Ceci gets sent down. So you can slot Weircioch there in his off-hand otherwise but PMac is like Babcock and likes his 3LH-3RH on the backend.

    • A-Train

      That’s the gamble. Can Cowen put it back together? Is Weircioch the real deal? Does Ceci continue progressing? If the answer to all 3 is ‘yes’ … may not need to swing any deals for D.

      • WaitingSince92

        Not to sound like a broken record, but that was an awful assumption we made last season, turned out to be wrong on any/all accounts.

        • A-Train

          Oh yeah, it’s all a big “if”.

          But I don’t think anyone can say they expected Cowen’s game to fall of the earth the way it did.

          • peetypuck

            After his salary demand and missing the start of the season last year Cowen better show up a much better player this year. Over the next two seasons his salary jumps to $3.7 million and then $4.5 million (capGeek).

          • FistsofNeil25

            yikes.

          • peetypuck

            Exactly.

    • WaitingSince92

      If you’re not concerned, you’re relying on some vast improvement with our young D (ie Cowen, Wiercioch, Ceci & Gryba). That’s fine, even plausible, but remember we did that last year and none of them was able to fill a top 6 role.

      Could very well happen again – just seems tough to assume that one of them will respond to the pressure by improving and filling out the top 4.

      We need O and D… do I have to pick which one is more pressing? I don’t think it matters – we need both.

      • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

        Personally I’m OK with another weak season, assuming we hold onto our Damn pick

      • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

        I don’t think we even have the potential in the minors that will be ready to step into such an elevated role… On d they might be able… Far more experienced

        I do not want to rush Lazar

    • Frank

      We won’t be a contender next season anyway so why not give the kids another year to develop their game? Then you get a better sense of what you have back there. Upgrade the FW depth now and make a decision at the deadline on what you want to do moving forward. I see the 14-15 season as a “see how close we are” kind of year. I like the youth on this team right now and even though it may be a struggle next season, it will be good for the long term

  • aegiszx

    “We dont owe Spezza/Alfie anything!”

    lol who cares about the tickets he helped sell, who cares about the highlight reels, who cares about the excitement he and Alfie brought to this organization.

    MEMO to potential UFAs: Stay far away from the Ottawa Senators– you won’t be gettin any respect here!

    I’d like to think we treat our players better with just a grain of respect and dignity, even if we’re a business.

    • FistsofNeil25

      MEMO to potential UFAs: Stay far away from the Ottawa Senators – you won’t get paid market value or have a chance to win here!

  • SensChirp

    I’ve seen some concern over a new contract for Milan Michalek but I think if the dollar amount is reasonable, that’s a deal the Senators have to get done. The key for me is its a relatively productive veteran player that WANTS to play in Ottawa.

    If they can get him signed for a cap hit below $4 mil, that’s a good deal for the Senators.

    • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

      At how many years

      • SensChirp

        I’d try to avoid anything longer than 3. Should look a lot like the offer to Hemsky

        • FistsofNeil25

          Do you think negotiations are at the point now where Milan is just waiting to see if there are other teams interested on June 25th before he commits to Ottawa’s final offer?

          • Pasky

            I think a lot of free agents will go this route now, as it’s definitely beneficial to them. And it’s a bargaining chip on their part because they can tell teams if you want me signed before June 25th, then I want an extra 250k a season on my contract, or something similar to this. I think this is also what’s holding up a Stastny signing from Colorado.

          • Sandy

            The only worry to me is Phoenix. He may could end up there to play with his brother.

        • WaitingSince92

          Kinda funny how, everyone wants Milan back now. Some people always wanted him back, but it seemed like this was his season to finally put the injuries behind him and get back to producing, which he didn’t do. Seems like people have changed their mind on Michalek more because of what’s happening with our forwards, as opposed to the quality of his recent play (everyone can agree that this season was more than a little disappointing).

        • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

          Yeah I think I’d be ok with that… Not entirely sure why it hasn’t been done, any chance he is wanting to to see what other offers come?

        • Hax

          And hence why they made that offer to Hemsky even though they knew he’d decline. Offer it to Hemsky, offer Michalek less (term or dollars or both) then up the offer to Michalek to match the Hemsky one so Michalek’s agent can feel like he won.

    • A-Train

      Agree. He’s a smart vet who knows the NHL. Feels like a good linemate and possibly a mentor for Zibanejad.

    • FistsofNeil25

      It all depends on the term though right? 2 or 3 years max! There’s too much risk with Michalek’s knee issues.

    • Doc

      There was rumblings that they offered the same AAV to Michalek that they offered Hemsky, but at a shorter term.

      Any legs to that?

      • SensChirp

        Ya Dreger had their initial offer at two years. They may have to give him another year to get him to take that lower average.

        • Doc

          I’d definitely do 3.3 per for 2 years.

        • CUP 2014-15

          I don’t mind Milo at 3 year for 10-12MM. Hell it’s going to be peanuts more then Greening so it makes negotiating with his agent tough.

          • spezzerman

            But at the same time it would be hard to argue he deserves more than MacArthur or Turris….

          • Doc

            MacArthur’s next contract is up in a year, and will definitely get a raise.

            No worries there.

          • spezzerman

            Oh absolutely – my point is its not like the Sens have to use Greening’s bad contract as a negotiating starting point

    • Pasky

      Considering our left side depth right now is MacArthur-Hoffman-Greening-??? it’s not like signing him would go to waste. I wouldn’t mind seeing what comes out of the Spezza trade first though, because if we get back a top 6 LW then his need isn’t all that great unless we ship Greening to Chicago. I wouldn’t mind seeing a 3rd line consisting of Michalek-Smith-Lazar if that’s the case, 3 big bodies with some offensive punch.

      • CUP 2014-15

        Like where your going with that 3rd line. Always wondered how good ZS would be without EC, CG, CN……ETC As linemates.

      • FistsofNeil25

        A good thing about Michalek is that he can comfortably play either wing. He played the right wing a ton in San Jose and when we were playing the Greening-Spezza-Michalek line 2 years ago he was also the right winger. In fact, you could argue the most productive years of his career were as a right winger.

        So if we acquire a top six left winger for Spezza, Michalek could always play second line right wing or be bumped down to the third line left wing. Like you said, a third line of Michalek-Smith-Lazar could be a good one.

        • Pasky

          My idea was that Stone would be in our top 6, as I would want to avoid having both Stone and Hoffman on the same line, not to mention that our right side also includes Neil/Condra on the 4th line. Of course this all depends on whether Lazar makes the team or not but I think he will as a winger, that’s why Doiron mentioned this about Lazar. So this was the lineup I was thing about if we get Schwartz (let me dream big lol)

          CMac-Turris-Stone
          Schwartz-Zibby-Ryan
          Michalek-Smith-Lazar
          Hoffman-Pageau-Neil/Condra

          If the young guys step up, that’s as solid of a top 9 that we can find, playoff worthy for sure.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Yeah that’s the thing right…if we acquire a forward or two in the Spezza trade, re-sign Michalek and give Lazar every opportunity to make the team, more bodies will have to be moved out.

            I’ve been thinking along the same lines as you have that I would prefer to have Hoffman and Stone on separate lines, and if one were to play in the top six it would be Stone.

            I was actually about to post the exact same line up as you but with Tarasenko instead of Schwartz lol I just wanted to run the numbers through the cap geek arm chair GM feature to see what our payroll would be.

            Like you said, that’s a pretty damn good top 9.

          • Pasky

            That’s why I want this Spezza trade to happen, so I can quite guessing the return and actually be able to wrap my head around what kind of lineup I would want to see on opening night lol

          • FistsofNeil25

            I was just checking out the numbers on capgeek.

            Say there was something to those Tarasenko rumors from friday and we can acquire him for Spezza 1 for 1.

            Trade Greening for a pick.

            Sign Milo to 2-3 years @ 3.5M per.

            Sign Lehner a bridge contract for 2 years @ 1.75M per.

            Sign Gryba to 1-2 years @ 1.5M per

            That leaves us at around 49M in payroll, which gives us enough money left over to sign a top 4 right hand D like Boyle, Niskanen or Stralman.

            MacArthur – Turris – Ryan
            Tarasenko – Zibanejad – Stone
            Michalek – Smith – Lazar
            Hoffman – Grant/Pageau – Neil/Condra

            Methot – Karlsson
            Cowen – Boyle/Niskanen/Stralman
            Wiercioch – Gryba
            Borowiecki – Phillips

            Andy
            Lehner

            Playoff team?

          • Pasky

            Could be, although I think Tarasenko only plays on the right side as far as I know. If that’s the case maybe have a Ryan-Zibby-Tarasenko line and throw Stone next to Turris. I’m also saying that based on BM comments that he wants Zibby to be a 1st line C so give him the 1st line wingers.

            Bottom 6 looks good but there’s still too many Ds in that lineup. I’m sure when Phillips signed his extension there was a deal in place that he wouldn’t be glued to the press box so I think the bottom pairing of Phillips-Gryba will happen again. So I still think if we add a d through free agency or trade one of Weircioch, Cowen or Methot would have to go.

            Methot would be the risky move but if Cowen improves his play after a full training camp and healthy off-season to train and Weir shows that he’s capable of playing in a Top 4 role then we would be laughing as Methot would give us the best return. But that’s definitely a high risk/high reward move that didn’t work out for us last season.

          • FistsofNeil25

            It’s a shame Phillips will continue to hold a roster spot when there are younger an better alternatives.

            That contract extensions was such a big mistake. We should have let him go.

            What would you guys rather see on the left side? Methot-Cowen-Wiercioch? Cowen-Wiercioch-Phillips? Methot-Cowen-Phillips? Methot-Wiercioch-Phillips?

            Methot-Cowen-Wiercioch looks the best to me.

          • Michenator

            Methot is a stud. Cowen could be damaged goods, OR could become his potential BEAST MODE. Wiercioch is a relative stud. Phillips was great, probably a great locker room guy but definitely becoming a has been.

            I like that we signed Phillips because we need to show loyalty to franchise players BUT at some point you have to say, sorry buddy but you kinda suck.

          • Pasky

            I think part of re-signing him had to do with Spezza being traded as well. The team didn’t want to lose 3 veterans within 1 calendar year. But I think this is his last contract anyways, so after these two seasons hopefully he retires gracefully, or goes to play elsewhere.

    • Mr. Seller

      There was point during the season where I thought Spezza and Hemsky would stay and Michalek had to go. Funny how that scenario completely turned on us. We find ourselves with so many holes in our roster that signing Michalek has almost become a necessity.

      Now I do think that if BM is intent on re-signing Michalek, it’s cause he pretty much already knows what the return for Spezza will be and therefore feels Michalek will not be a redundant asset but rather a complimentary one.

      • laughing

        Yeah, it’d be amusing if it wasn’t so sad.

  • FistsofNeil25

    Cap geek finally has Hoffman’s contract up for next season. If anyone was wondering what his NHL salary is going to be, it’s $750 000.

    • spezzerman

      when do they make the Cap for next year official? Or have they??

      • Pasky

        Haven’t heard an official number yet but it has to come this week with the draft and free agency coming. Capgeek has it listed at 71.1M and at the BoG meetings in December it was apparently discussed that it could be in the 70-71M range. That puts the floor at 52M roughly.

    • MethotToMyMadness

      Now THAT is a great contract for Ottawa. Gives us a perfect 3rd line scoring winger, that can play some top 6 minutes, and we still have tons of cap space to sign players. Good Job Murray!!

      • FBP

        He had six points in twenty five games last year. I’m not sure ‘scoring’ applies (yet).

  • MethotToMyMadness

    Took a few days a way from NHL, Sens, and everything hockey and just relaxed. It was nice. Then I come back, and see the Sens appear to be pushing forward on some contract negotiations, that’s good news.

    The Lehner one is scary though, does anyone else get the feeling he’s being a little pushy? He’s apparently asking for a starter type salary and he’s not the starter yet. Does Lehner’s agent know something we don’t, maybe the Sens are shopping Andy?

    I predicted the Sens would Trade Spezza before the draft, and I still think it’ll happen on the 26th. Lets see how that goes.

    And Hartnell is now a Blue Jacket. CBJ just got WAY better, and the Sens need to make a note of that. That is the type of trade I wish the Sens would have made. Hartnell, who’s not as quick these days, is the prototypical aggressive forward that I think the Sens need to look for. He can score, hit, crash and he’s just up and in your face each game. And we cannot forget he owns the rights to the even popular, “suck it Phaneuf” media clip. Would love to have seen him in a Sens Jersey. That move, will get the ball rolling in the East when it comes to making competitive moves. Can’t wait to see what’s next.

    • SensChirp

      Really think a bridge deal makes most sense for Lehner. 2 years, one as back up then one as starter. Earn that next long term deal

      • Pasky

        Yup, I figured a 2 year deal worth 4M – Year 1 worth 1.75M & Year 2 worth 2.25M

        Sucks for Lehner that the new CBA can’t vary more than 35% year to year on contracts. Otherwise, he can get like 1.5M this year then 3M as a starter next year.

      • MethotToMyMadness

        I agree on Lehner and the type of deal. That makes the most sense, gives the Sens time to see how he handles it too. These bridge deals are all the rage these days!! lol

    • runningbear1974

      Columbus is becoming a team to cheer for.. I already really like Dubinsky and Johnson…

      • Pasky

        Foligno as well… They seem to be building their team based on St-Louis style of hockey, 2-way hard working blue collar team. Watching them give Pittsburgh a run for their money was definitely one of my favorites 1st round matchups this year.

        • runningbear1974

          I agree… A hard working team that is easy to cheer for…

          • MethotToMyMadness

            Yup, they were my team to cheer for this year, too bad they didn’t pull it off.

          • Tooks

            CBJ wont win until they get top end talent. Hard work only gets you so far.

          • runningbear1974

            You need to add good players and get rid of bad players… Sometimes having one bad player can destroy a team of good players…I don’t know St-Louis’ team well enough to know who their weak points are… They obviously felt their goalie was a weak point, that’s why they traded for Miller… So, it seems at one point they were concerned about goals against versus goals for… Now, they think the problem is goals for… Maybe, we’ll see…

        • FistsofNeil25

          They may hit a wall in the playoffs though similar to the way St Louis has. Without the top end talent they’ll fail to compete against the best teams in the league.

          They have Johansen but not much else. Maybe Wennberg and Rychel some day.

  • Phil.

    Just sharing. Looks like the Blues will build around Tarasenko, so best to take him off your Spezza trade proposals.

    http://www.stltoday.com/sports/hockey/professional/blues-might-trade-draft-pick-to-get-scoring-punch-to/article_76344970-1ac8-5d0f-a050-c318372dfcaa.html

    • Doc

      Yeah? What about if we add Greening. WHAT THEN???

      • Phil.

        I assume you mean Greening instead of Spezza, 1-1 Greening Tarasenko. That’s a win-win hockey trade.

        • Doc

          Of course, Spezza has little value.

          You need to give a good player to receive a good player. It’s only fair.

      • Tooks

        Damn you just threw STL for a loop. They sure wern’t expecting the Sens to offer up Colin “the total package” Greening…

        We might even end up with Schwartz & Shatty, sky’s the limit now!

        • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

          Maybe if we toss Condra I’m the mix they will just send their whole team!

  • AutoTurris

    Okay so it looks like it is Schwartz or bust for me. Was hoping for Tarasenko but, lets be real, he’s not going anywhere. Still think we can squeeze away with Schwartz, but we need the perfect storm. C’mon BM.

    • Doc

      You might also want to reconsider your second choice…

      • AutoTurris

        Nah, it’s my sincere hope that BM is thinking like I am right now. STL wants a point producing guy AS WELL as a centre that can go up against the depth in LA and ANA. If they want the goods (the points and the faceoffs) then they’ll have to give up something more than Berglund. I know it’s a long-shot but I hope BM is playing hardball. We should have the leverage here, not them.

        • Doc

          I’m just saying that Schwartz is almost untouchable in my opinion. I wouldn’t do a 1-for-1 swap if I was St-Louis.

          Plus, they are desperate for offense, so trading away one of your best young forwards seems counter-productive.

          I’d love to grab him, I just think the chances are pretty slim.

          • AutoTurris

            I agree with you that the chances are slim, all I’m saying is that BM shouldn’t settle. I’d rather another year of growth and points from Spezza than a garbage trade.

        • zippy

          Everything I read in the STL article says he needs a point producing player now. The window is the contracts of his top line.

          He knows Spezza is there.

          Option1: Trade Tarasenko for Spezza and Hemsky’s rights?
          Option2: Keep Tarasenko and hope we take something lesser and a #1 pick and top prospect.

          My guess is Option2

          • RUSH RLZ

            As of tomorrow Hemsky can start negotiating with anyone he wants no? Murray might still be able to get a sandwich for him for 12 hours of exclusivity.

          • AutoTurris

            Oh you bet your sweet ass it’s Option 2, all I’m saying is that BM can’t and shouldn’t settle. If they are gunna throw anything less than Schwartz- who we know BM is high on- at us, then BM is better off trading Spezz at the deadline.

          • MethotToMyMadness

            If Ottawa was going to settle, which in my mind is a deal that involves Berglund, that trade would have been made already, because that is what St. Louis has reportedly been offering.

          • AutoTurris

            Very good point kind sir. I do trust BM but I’ve been known for getting, how do you say… Fucked over?

    • Pasky

      Yup, out of Tarasenko, Oshie and Schwartz he’s the most likely to be traded away, although definitely not guarantees that we can get him anyways.

    • EK65

      It sounds like St. Louis is the only serious team at this moment. Ottawa needs one more serious team to up competition and then they will be able to squeeze the most out of the deal. St. Louis isn’t going to offer up one of their blue chip guys until this happens.

      • AutoTurris

        Where did ANA disappear to?

        • EK65

          No one is really talking about it anymore, everyone saying St. Louis is the favourite. ANA could have just been kicking tires, who knows.

          • AutoTurris

            You would think that ANA, CHI and STL would all be trying the get their depth down the middle somewhere close to the of LA. CHI and Kesler are a fit so where is ANA? Strange.

          • EK65

            It’s all about the confidence they have in their prospects. They want to weigh that against giving up some of these players for Spezza, whose contract is done at the end of the year and there’s no guarantee he’ll re-sign.

          • spezzerman

            silence isnt a bad thing. I assume Anaheim is still interested. Dallas too, perhaps Colorado depending on what happens iwth ROR and Stastny.

            Philly apparently told Hartnell 4 or 5 days before the trade he wasnt part of thier future plans and no one knew about it. Silence doesnt mean anything, necessarily.

    • Sandy

      I would prefer Schwartz over Tarasenko because he appears to be the 200 ft player.
      If Spezza & Tarasenko ‘click’ that’s going to be a pretty dynamic duo offensively wise.

  • spezzerman

    So perhaps a Spezza trade doesnt happen until St Louis sees where Stastny signs as UFA? If he resigns with Colorado they are out of options and will have to pay for Spezza

    • Doc

      I doubt Spezza is still a Sens come July 1st.

      • spezzerman

        me too although I dont care about drafting in the first round this year

      • Tooks

        Depends IF Murray wants picks, if not this can go to mid July, as teams will be in negs with many other players.

    • FistsofNeil25

      They can make a call to Stastny’s agent tomorrow. So can any other team. I hope he tells teams like St Louis and Anaheim that he`s only leaving Colorado for top dollar and that scares them off.

      • spezzerman

        ya exactly. they will know by tomorrow how good a chance they have. I doubt Spezza is a Sen by the draft still as well

      • Tooks

        Those teams have no problem paying top dollar for a top C. They are probably more hesitant in giving up young assets and picks, especially 2015.

        • spezzerman

          St Louis and Anaheim are traditionally budget teams…

        • FistsofNeil25

          What Spezzerman said. Anaheim fans seem to think their internal budget is somewhere in the 60-62M range.

          Not sure about St Louis but they won’t be a cap team.

          • RUSH RLZ

            Holy shit! I wish we had a budget that big!

        • Phil.

          Stastny hasn’t had more than 60 points in the last 4 years. Not sure he still counts as a top C.

  • AutoTurris

    Annnnnnnnnd here comes the sudden realization and sinking feeling that Statsny is going to fuck this all right up

    • RUSH RLZ

      Not at all. There are still several other teams in play. Besides… what do the Avs need to do to replace Statsny? Do they suddenly call to play?

      • AutoTurris

        True for the Avs coming into play, but what would they have to offer? Also, what happened to this giant push Tampa was making for Spezza?

        • spezzerman

          silence can be golden, dont worry, let it play out.

          • AutoTurris

            Stay golden Spezzerboy, muah, I feel better about the sitch now… Still impatient but better

        • Tooks

          It came from McGuire, its probably fabricated for ratings, lol.

      • spezzerman

        its very likely they will

  • Tooks

    Chirp mentioned it and I’m sorry to say it again but most if not ALL rumours are centred around Berglund.

    Again nobody will give up young proven assets for a rental in Spezza, IF STL is the front runner with an offer including Berglund, then it shows the other teams are doing no better.

    If they cant get a deal done, Spezza probably comes back to finish off his contract, Murray has said he doesnt want to trade the guy and Spezza never really asked to be traded, so I think both would like to finish it out for the Sens. Then Jason can leave and test FA.

    • RUSH RLZ

      Emphasis on “rumours”.

      And the heat hasn’t even been turned up yet. Lots of time and lots of pressure on lots of teams… The longer we wait in anguish, the more promising this all becomes.

    • spezzerman

      no one getting spezza will see him as a rental.

      • Tooks

        Well he only wants to go to 2 places, ANA or STL, anywhere else he wont sign longterm, so yes, to teams not called ANA or STL, he is a rental.

        • sprucesens

          did he tell you that? does he call you at home? Those are the 2 teams interested in him, that he has also read about, thinking they are the top teams to get him. He has never said anything about Anaheim being one of HIS top choices, however, there has been rumours that STL is at the top of his desired locations. But again, he hasn’t said it, just rumours that he would prefer this destination.

    • Sandy

      BUT Spezza wants to play in St Louis. He will re-sign with them, so he will not be a rental.

      • Tooks

        Yes and thats why STL wont give up much, when they know they can sign him next year.

        • spezzerman

          they have to get him first.

          • Tooks

            IF Spezza only wants to play for STL, they will get him no prob. Even if he plays for another team this year, he wont re-sign with them unless its STL. So worse comes to worse he plays 1 years for another team then goes UFA and signs with STL.

          • Sandy

            Good, then trade him to Fla for the 1st overall pick ++

          • Tooks

            FLA wouldnt do that…

        • sprucesens

          didn’t you just contradict yourself somewhat? saying st. Louis won’t give up anything because he’s a rental, then saying that they know they’ll sign him, hence, not a rental, and its still a reason to not give up much? it could be make or break this year if they had spezza. It gives them 1 more year of a chance at a cup. And there is no guarantee he signs with them after. They might make other moves, or find there is no need for him, or he gets injured and they don’t want him anymore.

    • Mr. Seller

      If Spezza is just a rental and no one wants to give anything significant for him then we keep Spezza until trade deadline. He would pretty much return close to what has been offered so far so what is the point of moving an 80 point centerman costing $4M for peanuts? I’ll take my chance that things go better this year and he changes his mind and decides he wants to stay.

      • Jakester

        They won’t risk him getting hurt during the season, then you get nothing.

    • Jakester

      Dummy, you don’t trade him and he gets hurt this coming year and you’ve screwed your franchise, Wakey Wakey. Murray will move him even if it isn’t a 100 percent to his liking.m

  • thepez

    Chirp, are there any whispers by those you know on the inside that BM will at least pick up the phone and give Alfie and/or his agent a call tomorrow?

    • Doc

      He wouldn’t be doing his job if he didn’t.

  • EK65

    I don’t think anyone has mentioned this yet, but could there be a situation where a sticking point is that STL, COL, ANA, etc. want a higher round (2nd, 3rd, etc.) conditional pick in 2015 if Spezza fails to re-sign?

    • Hax

      I’ve been saying all along that the Spezza trade won’t happen until July 1st when they can actually 100% ink him to an extension as part of the trade.

      • EK65

        I’m not sure about that. I think BMurr made it clear that he wants to get a 1st in this year’s draft and Spezza is obviously the best way to do that. He’ll push to get it done just before or on the draft floor on the day of the draft.

        • Jakester

          I agree.

      • Doc

        You know nothing Jon Hax.

  • SensChirp
  • Gavin Ray

    I would love to get St Louis’s 1st round pick and select Mckoewn he’s the kind of shutdown defenceman we need!

  • ChampIsHere

    I hope Ho Sang drops to 40