Navigating the Jason Spezza Sweepstakes

SensChirp June 25, 2014 1,200
Navigating the Jason Spezza Sweepstakes

(UPDATE 12:28 PM)- With one tweet from Bob McKenzie, it seems like the Jason Spezza Sweepstakes have kicked into high gear.  This tweet almost seems like an intentional leak of sorts from the Sens’ camp.  One that is essentially asking teams to put their best offer on the table for consideration.  Nothing imminent just yet but you can tell this is nearing a resolution.

The Jason Spezza situation sounds like it’s starting to get a little bit complicated. With just two days to go until the Draft in Philadelphia, Spezza is still an Ottawa Senator and the list of interested teams seems to be shifting by the day.

Even Bryan Murray has to be sort of sitting there wondering how this is all going to play out. Unlike previous years where there weren’t really any legitimate point-producing centre on the market, this year there appears to plenty.  And that has certainly clouded the free agent and trade market.

Jason Spezza. Paul Stastny. Ryan Kesler. Brad Richards. Those four guys are absolutely in play right now. We know that much. Then you have names like Eric Staal, Joe Thronton, Patrick Marleau floating around. Not in the mix the same way the other four are but certainly being discussed.  So we know St. Louis, Chicago, Anaheim, Dallas and maybe Colorado would all love to land a centre. Let’s try to look at each of these teams and what their thought process might be…

-St. Louis needs offence. As of this morning, you know they put a call in to Paul Stastny. They are considered the favourites to land Spezza but if they have a legitimate shot to land Stastny, I think they go for it. They aren’t really in the mix on Kesler.

-Chicago is desperate for a number two centre and appears to be focused on Kesler. They seem like they would be willing to move Patrick Sharp to make room. I assume they would also check in on Stastny and although there hasn’t really been much talk about it- you would have to think they like Spezza too.

-Anaheim is going to find a number two centre and right now anyway, seem to be focused on Kesler. They have also been linked to Spezza so I’m assuming that is there Plan B. Like Chicago and St. Louis, you would assume they dialed up Stastny this morning.

-Dallas is hard to get a read on in all this. I’ve heard Brad Richards as a likely option for them. He’s played in Dallas before and still has a home in the area. Spezza makes sense for them too and there have been rumours that they have shown interest.

-And then we have the Colorado Avalanche. If they could get Stastny signed, they wouldn’t really be a factor in any of this. But now that he is fielding offers from other teams, they suddenly become a team to watch. They absolutely have talked to the Senators about Spezza. And it must have been a contingency plan of sorts if they lost Stastny. This is a team on a budget too so the 7 mil cap hit/4 mil real money has to be attractive.

And then you have Ottawa. Sort of standing on the sidelines waiting for this all to play out. If the Blues miss out on Stastny, the conversations between Murray and Armstrong can continue. St. Louis keeps offering Berglund as the centre piece but I don’t think that’s enough for Ottawa.  Ideally, Murray would wait to see which team missed out on Kesler (Anaheim or Chicago) and get them in the mix. The more teams involved the better. It would also be good if the Senators had a sense where Stastny was going because if he leaves Colorado, then you know Ottawa would like to circle back and find out what the Avalanche might be willing to offer.

There’s also the “other” teams. The two or three teams from Spezza’s no trade list that have shown interest and might be willing to make an offer, according to Bryan Murray’s last media availability. Gotta think that includes Nashville and the New York Islanders (and Florida apparently) but I don’t know for sure.  There really shouldn’t be a deadline on all of this but it seems like Ottawa would like to have a pick in the first round on Friday night.

After speaking with contacts over the last couple days, I keep hearing that the Senators aren’t really pushing to get the deal done. It almost seems like they are waiting for the other shoes to drop. It’s a high stakes game of chicken but one that Bryan Murray has likely played countless times over his career as GM.  And at the same time, Murray has to deal with his own free agents, prepare for the Draft on Friday, and make calls to any potential unrestricted free agents they may be looking.

Hope Bryan Murray is well rested because it’s going to a busy few days.

  • whammer44

    Did I read this correctly? Nikitin signs for a cap hit of $4.5M per year…this can’t be true.

    • Doc

      The best time of the year, isn’t it? lol…

      • whammer44

        God damn the oilers. Do they have any idea what they are doing over there.

        So whats Methot worth now? $6M/year…ridiculous.

        • Big Lue

          They probably had no choice to overpay to get him to sign… that’s why they signed a $10M offer sheet on Vanek a few years ago.

          No one wants to go live in Edmonton unless the financial benefit supersedes all other offers haha

    • Skeleton

      That’s right. Me thinks that’s a little high.

      Great trade for Edmonton and then they go and give him too much money in my opinion.

    • Andrews theory

      He’s a number one Defenseman isnt he lol….
      nice job MacT eeesh

    • Phil.

      It’s only 2 years, so I bet The oilers chose to pay more up front and avoid a long term contract. Not a bad move since they have the cap space.

  • Tooks

    Waiting on Kesler and Stastny to go then Spezza will be dealt IF Murray agrees to a deal. We might see Spezza in a Sens jersey till the deadline.

    • Doc

      Highly doubt that.

      Also too many risks associated with that scenario.

      • Phil.

        Agreed. In addition to injury risk for Spezza, now is the time where teams have he most flex in their budget/cap space before they commit to the full roster.

    • whammer44

      In theory I would be ok with that if there is no deal out there but based on how BM operates Spez will be gone sooner than later

  • Andrews theory

    couple of random thoughts…

    Best scenario in my opinion would be Statsny and Kessler moving to the East, leaves several holes on the west coast.

    I think Statsny is a great player but I’m not convinced that he’s a significant upgrade at Center for St Louis. There are only a handful of legitimate 1st line centers in the NHL and as it stands, Spezza is the only one that is truly available.

  • Max2166

    I still think Jason Spezza will be dealt Friday night at the draft.

  • FistsofNeil25

    I think there’s a very good chance this thing drags well into July.

  • Max Power

    We should sign Statsny! That would throw a wrench in their plans! heh heh hehhhhh

    • RUSH RLZ

      Brilliant! Then we would almost force them to trade for Spezz! 1) acquire similar player for only $$ not assets 2) strong arm team into paying for our player. That would be almost like keeping Spezza and still getting a player / prospect pick for him!

  • EK65

    Paul Stastny: Any chance the Sens can sign this guy?

    He will get paid, obviously, but it would be a great option so we could not lose any assets in the process. Stastny-Turris-Zib-Smith down the middle would be pretty sweet. Plus, with Spezza gone, we could land a good Dman maybe instead of looking for a forward? Maybe a winger even to replace Milan/Hemsky?

    • whammer44

      Odds are slim to none, as you would expect Stastny to sign where he would be in a position to challenge for the cup.

      Sens would have to overpay to get him…so scratch the slim from the odds.

      • EK65

        That’s what I thought. Dang

    • FistsofNeil25

      I’m going to say we would have to offer him 8M per season and even then he would probably scoff at the idea of signing here.

  • Miguel

    I really hate BM doing his negotiation through the media.
    He tells all Spezza wants out… ok so other teams know the Sens are dealing from a postiion of weakness. – Dont say anything and pick up the phone and call a few select managers. If that doesnt work then go to the media
    He tells all that he has 10 teams he cannot go to… further decreasing the competition
    He then says it will be a team from the west… so only 2-4 teams who can bid for Spezza.
    here’s a novel idea… shut your mouth! Do some selling and keep your cards close to your chest. Dont say anything so all the teams are bidding, and his will only drive up the asking price, and then chose the team you want to move him to.
    ie the NYI offered a top 6 forward, a top 4 d-man prospec,t and a first rounder. If St Louis wants to match that, they get Spezza.
    He always tells everyone his business, and then we are stuck ie we have 3 goalies and we have to move on now…. this leads to Bishop for Conacher. He is the only one who deals this way, and has not worked out lately

    • Phil.

      I suspect all of what he shares to the public is already known by other GMs (through the agents or other GMs)

      • RUSH RLZ

        It is public optics too. Warm up our fan base to the fact that we are about to lose yet another face of the franchise, and probably not for what he is worth either.

      • KJ

        its just a call to other GMs who may be sleeping that Spezza is really on the block.

    • Hax

      Just got off the phone with Bryan – he says he’ll stop.

      • Miguel

        great Hax, can you now take over and do his selling for him? I can coach you on how to get the best return on your assets….
        because they certainly know how not too
        Chara, Redden, Gonchar, Kuba, Heatley, Alfie, Bishop, and now Spezza, I am sure I missed a couple

        • Hax

          Chara and Redden – Muckler
          Gonchar, Kuba and Alfie – UFAs
          Heatley – held hostage
          Bishop – flopped but generally thought to be a fair deal at the time
          Spezza – nothing has happened yet

        • Zelle

          If you could do so much better why not apply for the job? It’s easy to make all these assumptions and accusations when you have limited information and speak from a position of hindsight and safety. You can forget about your bad hypothetical calls and brag about the right ones you made.

          Why are you always so negative about the club?

    • The Apostle

      We all knew about the limited NTC, it’s been on capgeek since he signed the contract. That’s hardly BM selling secrets.

      The information related to Spezza is more about keeping the fans informed. It also tells other GMs who may not have been in contact but were wondering about it, that they have a couple of serious teams so you better give me a call.

      Anybody who saw Spezza’s interviews after the final game of the year would have been able to figure out that he wasn’t happy.

      As for the goalie comment, you honestly think GMs didn’t notice that we had Anderson, Lehner and Bishop?

      • Miguel

        you honestly think we shouldn’t have gotten more than Conacher for Bishop??? Even John Ferguson Jr could have done better

        • The Apostle

          Well, other than the fact we did get more than Conacher I will agree that we ultimately lost that trade but I don’t think that was down to the fact that people “knew” we were moving a goalie, you’d have to be a moron not to realise one of them was going.

          But I don’t think for a second we would have got significantly more. Say we keep our 3 goalies secret and we ring up the TBL GM and say do you want Ben Bishop. Even if he says, wow you’re ttrading Bishop, he doesn’t follow that up with I’ll give you Stamkos or St Louis – take your pick.

          I liked the Philadelphia “deal” better, but can see why they didn’t want to give up Matt Read.

          I wish they had kept Conacher, I think he’s a better option than some other we have in the forward line. The fact that we then let him go for nothing is the mistake, not the trade.

          • Zelle

            If they hadn’t cheaped out they could have kept Conacher and gotten Hemsky. If they hadn’t tried to squeak into the playoffs, they could have kept Conacher and just forgotten about Hemsky. Unfortunately two bad choices lead to letting Conacher go for nothing. Sure he only had 20 points but he was also a +8 and directly related to goals that he wasn’t given assists on in many instances. Still upset about how that all went down.

          • The Apostle

            Agreed. Unless it was a situation where they had to move somebody because of a roster limit and decided that they woiuld rather move Conacher than say Hoffman or one of the blueliners, I think it’s a terrible decision.

          • http://batman-news.com Johnny Skills

            Agree 100%. How is Condra better than Conacher?
            Letting him go for nothing was a mistake.

  • Sandy

    Apparently Stastny grew up in the St Louis area. So if they offer the money he is looking for, he probably signs there.
    Anaheim is after Kesler, but will Vanc trade him within the division.
    Richards isn’t any better than Spezza right now. But he doesn’t have the injury history right now.
    Can Chicago afford Spezza with Toews & Kane possibly signing 10M contracts?
    Could you get Sharp for Spezza then flip Sharp to a team for a high draft pick?

    • Finn 8

      His Dad is a Scout for St Louis

    • Andrews theory

      Richards is nowhere near a 1st line center at this stage.
      If Spezza is healthy, he’s a game breaker come playoff time

    • whammer44

      I’ve read a couple of pieces that he has told Sakic he will give the Avs the opportunity to match any contract offer he is considering. So it would ultimately depend on how the Avs plan to manage their cap.

      • Sandy

        The Avs apparently won’t go higher than 6M. Stastny can get a lot more than that.

    • Mr. Seller

      So in essence it would be Spezza for a high draft pick in a bad draft year. If we were happy with that, wouldn’t some of the teams drafting high have called about Spezza already. Even if they are on the no-trade list, we already know that that list is not sketched in stone so we’d be dealing with those teams directly.

      Besides, CHI cannot take on more cap and what is the point of substituting Sharp for Spezza? If that wasn’t enough, CHI doesn’t need more offense so I don’t see Spezza being a must-have piece they would go after.

      • Sandy

        Of course it would be the 1st round pick +++. But Sharp has a NTC, NMC so that’s not an option.

    • eh?

      Richards is 34, and has slipped in production, Spezza 31 and is still in production.

  • senate19

    I can’t help but think BM is going to pull one out of left field – he’ll get Spezza to waive to FLA for Brian Campbell (and his contract), and 1st overall.

    Maybe an extra piece in there on either side

    • FistsofNeil25

      Dale Tallon was on that’s hockey last night and he said the only way he’ll move the 1st overall pick is for a YOUNG established player and a draft pick.

      • Stew

        If we get Spezza to bring back the frosted tips and flavour saver we could pass him off as that young established player

        • whammer44

          I like it…maybe have him do interviews with some Beats headphones around his neck.

          • http://batman-news.com Johnny Skills

            And coach him on how to giggle throughout the interview…oh wait…nevermind

      • Pasky

        And he won’t go any lower than the 8th overall, so we would have to do a 3 way trade if anything.

        • Sandy

          So that leaves the Leafs open to trade their 8th + Kadri for the 1st overall.

    • senate19

      Maybe include Anderson for their backup

    • Andrews theory

      I have it on good word that although open to the idea of going to one of the teams on his no trade list, He’d likely turn down the first two options brought to him.

    • Sandy

      No to Campbell.
      I would try to force Spezza & Cowen for Gudbranson and the 1st overall. Not sure they would go that way. If not, Bjudstad (sp).

      • senate19

        I’m not saying I want Campbell necessarily – just guessing at what BM will do

      • FistsofNeil25

        Campbell is 35 so there shouldn’t be any concern of Murray targeting him. Gudbranson and the 1st overall is a pipe dream.

      • The Apostle

        If we got that deal I’d need new underwear.

      • http://batman-news.com Johnny Skills

        that deal sounds perfect…even without the first….still a long shot though.

  • SensChirp

    I find myself hoping Stastny ends up in St. Louis mostly because of all the talk about Berglund as the centre piece of their Spezza offer. Feel like there has to be better options out there.

    • whammer44

      I honestly cannot believe BM would take Berglund considering his shoulder issue. The risk is too great of the trade being a total nightmare

      • Yukon Cornelius

        I don’t know if I would go as far as saying Berglund + picks for Spezza is insulting but damn how Armstrong thinks he could fleece Murray like that is wild. The current situation with Spezza is not Heatley 2.0 so why someone would make an offer so similar (injured centre piece + spare parts) doesn’t make a whole lotta sense.

        Armstrong needs to realize that the west is becoming an arms race and in order to compete with LA, Chicago, Anaheim they are going to have to pony up and risk a little bit more. Unless of course St Louis is satisfied with 1st round playoff exits…

      • TookieIs100PercentRight

        He took Cheechoo in the Heatley trade and he was done.
        He gave money to Corvo who hardly played.
        He traded a pick for Filatov who bolted.
        Murray is pretty decent at the scouting/AHL level but many of his pro scoutings/signings have been awful.

        • John Hillier

          Cheechoo was a throw in for that trade, Milan was the center piece coming back, Corvo was a vet Dman, low risk, and it wasnt your money so I am not sure shy you are upset at this, the 3rd pick for Filatov, again was a risk most pundits was saying was well worth it

    • FistsofNeil25

      That’s what I’m hoping for as well….either that or St Louis strikes out on Kesler, Spezza and Stastny and is stuck with Berglund as their 2nd line center lol

    • Hax

      Or other Western teams get Richards, Kesler and Stastny forcing St Louis to up their offer on Spezza.

    • EK65

      I think if Berglund was the main piece coming back, and Murray was okay with that, it would have happened already. There’s been talk about it for weeks and weeks.

    • Don Ciccio

      I feel the exact same way

  • RUSH RLZ

    Man the next week can go really bad or really great or really “stuck in limbo”.

    On one “really great” spectrum, the sky is the limit if our owner has some insane change of heart. Silly I know, suggested it a couple of days ago, we could try to contend, keep Spezza or get a great player in return, sign Alfie for one year, make a free agency splash, Boyle, Moulson, Stastny.. keep 9MM or not… whoever the hell we want… LOTS of options out there for a team with this much cap space at their disposal… the buzz in this city would be through the roof on C-Day weekend and through the summer, season ticket sales would soar, and someone might learn that is “takes money to make money”.

    On the “really bad” end of things, we could get an awful return for Spezza (Berglund) and not do an awful lot else. This would continue the possible chain reaction of | lose Alfie one year: lose Spezza the next year: lost Ryan the next year | downward spiral that could crush ticket sales, get Eugene going off EVEN MORE about losing money, possibly threaten the future of our franchise.

    Limbo… sweet limbo. Not much done, Spezza stays into July and we start wondering if there would be a hold out (I don’t think he would do that personally), but we are just left hanging and hanging.

    Oh what I would do for the first option!

  • SensChirp
    • FBP

      Here we go!

    • FistsofNeil25

      Just saw that. Siiiick. Not getting too excited yet…

      • FBP

        You should, usually when McKenzie drops things like this news isn’t too far behind!

        • FistsofNeil25

          Well yeah, I believe it but it doesn’t mean anything is close.

          • KJ

            having 4 teams involved is good for Ottawa

    • Keregan

      lol i was about to post this interesting:)

    • EK65

      YESYESYES! Come on, make something happen! I’m so impatient haha

    • boom

      Hey Chirp, when you do this, can you please also post a brief “Coles Notes” synopsis of the tweet?

    • CaMo

      Who could that east team be? That’s where they will get a bigger return.

      • EK65

        Florida

        • CaMo

          1st Overall Please.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Not going to happen.

          • CaMo

            Let me dream

          • FistsofNeil25

            Dale Tallon squashed those dreams on That’s Hockey last night when asked what it would take for him to move the 1st overall.

        • sbs138

          you know this how?

      • Don Ciccio

        I say NYR or PHI

  • Guest

    @TSNBobMcKenzie
    Jason Spezza trade talk heating up. OTT in conversation with 4 teams, three in the West and one in the East.

    YESYESYES! Come on, make something happen! I’m so impatient haha

  • The Apostle

    I wouldn’t have too much of a problem with hanging on to Spezza and moving him at the deadline. It’s not my preferred option but it’s not the end of the world either.

    Given the return Vanek(twice) and Moulson for example got, this might be useful for us. However if I was a GM given the history that Ottawa has had of finding him wingers with chemistry, I would be loathe to sign him and plugging him straight into a team, I would prefer to get him in early and get him a training camp with his new team mates.

    Issues I forsee are:
    -the fans would need to be Ok with either moving Spezza even if we are in a playoff position or losing him for nothing
    - a possibly poorly motivated or unhappy Spezza upsetting the locker room (i actually don’t see this as being that big a deal as Spezza seems like a professional guy)

    • sbs138

      Or…Spez may put up killer numbers and therefore increase his trade value. Or…maybe he puts up killer numbers and the team changes their direction and realizes they should keep him, and resign him, while acknowledging Spezza’s request to increase spending and bring in some additional talent. Spezza wants to be in Ottawa, ownership doesn’t want to spend, simple as that.

      • The Apostle

        Agreed, very plausible scenario

  • http://@CARLOSwSPECR1 CARLOSwSPECR1

    Any Guesses on the 4 teams mentioned?
    I think west: Blues, ducks, ‘hawks and east: Red Wings

    • EK65

      East is Florida, West Blues, Ducks, DAL

      • SensChirp

        Yup. Was just told you can add Florida in there. I think Islanders are interested but don’t he would consider a trade there.

        • Dirtysweetness

          Who would Florida be offering?

          • CaMo

            They have that sexy 1st overall pick. I would think that is part of the deal.

          • Tooks

            Tallon said 1st pick available for young proven player in return and a top 8 pick…So Unless you want to send Turris over or Ryan, you wont get the 1st pick for Spezza.

          • EK65

            Very deepish prospect pool. There was talk of Huberdeau moving

          • Dirtysweetness

            Hubie/Bjugstad and Campbell for Spezza ++?

          • EK65

            Maybe if it was Spezza + Karlsson + Zib + our 2015 first… Jesus lol that deal is so one sided. Spezza for Hubie and a pick maybe.

          • Keregan

            I’ll do the deal straight up for Bjugstad

          • Dirtysweetness

            It was Hubie or Bjugstad plus Campbell (who wants out of Florida and has a large cap hit)

        • Keregan

          it would be nice to pry Nick Bjugstad from Fla

        • jimmyjohnson

          I don’t understand how Florida would be interested. That makes 0 sense!

          • Don Ciccio

            Bjugstad would have to be added to any deal involving Spezza…..Guy is going to be a stud.

          • Keregan

            Yup he also is my target if we trade with Fla

          • Sandy

            Sticking to Gudbranson + the first overall for Spezza & Cowen.
            Then draft Ekblad and you have a defense that in a couple of years will be one of the best in the NHL.
            Next season will be the time to get a good young forward in a really good draft.

          • Don Ciccio

            I’d take that but I don’t think Florida would……I can see Bjugstad and Kulikov for Spezza.

          • Sandy

            Their owner wants to get into the playoffs. They have a really good goalie so that’s a good start.
            They have players older than Spezza in their lineup and it is a beautiful arena and a very nice place to live.

    • Phil.

      East = FL (Chirp says so…)
      West = STL, ANA, PHX (I say so…)

      • Sandy

        Phoenix? That’s probably where Milan will end up. So they could play together again.
        But I don’t want Yandle. He was a -23 last season.

        • whammer44

          You know who was a -16 last season?

  • Dirtysweetness

    I think it’ll be a darkhorse team that makes the deal….Dallas or Florida.

  • KJ

    https://twitter.com/TSNBobMcKenzie/status/481820789386125314
    Looks like things are getting hotter on this topic

    • KJ

      Already mentioned I see.

    • Phil.

      Things must be really heating up if McKenzie posted it twice…

    • jimmyjohnson

      The genius over at Hockeybuzz seems to think the Eastern team is Florida.

      I seriously doubt that’s the case.

      • SensChirp

        I think it’s them or the Islanders. And really don’t think Spezza would waive for NYI.

        • boom

          I think you’re right, he wouldn’t.

          But, as a life-long Islander fan, i think they are on their way up, and playing behind Tavares would be a perfect fit for him. That, and the fact they are moving to Brooklyn next year may help convince him?

          • jimmyjohnson

            Him and Tavares on the same powerplay unit would be incredible.

            That being said, I don’t think he wants to go from this years Harrold Ballard winner to last a former Harrold Balland winner.

            The ownership for NYI is that franchises biggest problem and until that is corrected, big name players are unlikely to wind up there.

          • Yukon Cornelius

            And now with Halak between the pipes NYI seems to be continuing to trend upwards, too bad they mishandled the Moulson/Vanek situation so poorly. I think if Moulson was still there it would be a lot of attractive for Spez & other bigger names.

          • Tooks

            Why would a move to Brooklyn help convince Spezza, he’s a lanky , giggling whiteboy, lol.

          • Phil.

            Not sure I get this comment. Can’t tell if it’s intended to be racist or to imply that everyone in Brooklyn is a brawler?
            I lived in LI across the imaginary line from Brooklyn. There are plenty of filthy rich lanky giggling whiteboys there. There’s also an awesome new state-of-the-art sports facility there.

          • Tooks

            Its intended to be racist, duh…
            Spezza is a little softy, think he could hack it in Brooklyn, that and the media hype he’s trying to avoid.

          • Phil.

            Ok, maybe that was a little accusatory. That said sports get lost in all of what happens in NY and the Islanders don’t get the coverage the Rangers get. If anything they fly under the radar most of the time. And Brooklyn has some very nice/expensive areas where Spezza would fit in really well (ie he wouldn’t need to be too concerned about rich on rich violent crimes).

        • jimmyjohnson

          lol but why would he waive for Florida?!

          • CaMo

            His wife would make him for that weather lol

      • KJ

        If I were Spezza, except for the fact Florida is no where near contention right now, I would go. Nice weather, Nice rink (I have heard-only seen the outside), and well, less taxes, so keep more of your millions.

        • jimmyjohnson

          Their accountants make sure they keep plenty of their millins anyways… Weather is a definite plus, but that team has been in disarray for a decade.

          • KJ

            agree. but they do have some promising young talents, and Lou in the Net now.

          • jimmyjohnson

            The Luongo acquisition definitely changes their outlook. I still thibk their focus for next season should be Eichel and McDavid.

            If they added one of those 2 plus Ekblad, their core would be

            McDavid-Huberdeau
            Barkov
            Bjudstad

            Ekblad-Gudbranson

            Luongo

            That’s a sickeningly good lineup, especially with all the other assets they have

        • I’m just sayin’

          MUCH lower taxes actually

          JS19 wouldn’t miss the 13% HST

      • Tooks

        Thats pretty much correct at this point in time, SC seems to think its FLA too.

  • Guest

    Hearing St. Louis Blues among many teams that reached out to Paul Stastny camp already…— Pierre LeBrun (@Real_ESPNLeBrun) June 25, 2014

  • Spoons

    Carolina is the eastern team. They’re penny pinching and trying to get rid of Eric Staal’s $9.25M salary the next 2 years (real salary, not the cap salary). There’s more Ottawa pieces involved for salary ditching since Spezza’s salary is only $4M this year.

    • FistsofNeil25

      and who’s going to take Staal at 9.25M? Not Ottawa.

      • Spoons

        Flip Staal to WPG for Kane?

        • FistsofNeil25

          Things like that never happen.

    • boom

      It’s funny. I was told that there was a deal beiing considered involving Spezza and ONE of the Stalls from Carolina about a month ago. Apparently, the guy who told me heard it from someone “on the inside”…’
      I didn’t bother sharing it with you guys because I usually/always dismiss these things as BS…

  • CaMo

    Maybe the eastern team is somewhere off our radar completely. I know Boston is a division rival and all but there is buzz that they are trying to ship out Marchand and others … just a thought.

    • Sandy

      I wouldn’t send him to Detroit. They got Alfie, that’s enough.

      • ill district

        NJD are a little thin down the center, but i don’t see them any making moves, well, besides chasing down UFAs to become somewhat competitive.

  • Hax

    I still don’t think Murray is gung-ho to get a first for this year’s draft. Unless it’s a high first (which it won’t be given Spezza’s no-trade list) there’s not much point. We draft well enough that we’ll do okay with our 40th pick. Better to wait for the absolute best offer than set some arbitrary deadline of pre-draft.

    • peetypuck

      I agree with you. If he ends up sending Spezza to a contender their #1 pick won’t hold that much value. Now Florida or Edmonton on the other hand…

  • aegiszx

    Might have already been discussed but… Ryan Callahan signs extension with Tampa that includes not 1, but 2. TWO NTC… Wow…

    • ill district

      lol, horrible signing. this guy doesn’t put up points.

      • Tooks

        Not but he brings leadership, look what Leadership could have done for us with Alfie at 6Mil…think about it.

        • peetypuck

          I fail to see how the Rangers were lacking leadership after Callahan was traded. He never helped them to a trip to the SC finals.
          Edit: Correction, he did help them get to the finals by being traded for St Louis.

          • Tooks

            They didn’t, they had Richards and St. Louis.

  • FistsofNeil25

    Florida trades the 1st overall to Toronto for Kadri + 8th. Florida then trades Huberdeau + 8th overall for Jason Spezza and Jared Cowen. Sens draft Nick Ritchie with the 8th overall selection.

    • Keregan

      don’t want any part of Huberdeau

      • ill district

        disagree, he’s a play making center just like Spezza. This would bring in some healthy competitve for 2nd line duties, and would allow smith to play on the 4th line.

        Great young core for the middle.

        • Keregan

          i prefer Nick Bjugstad, i donno why but my guts tells me Huby is a bust

          • Sandy

            Well Florida just hired Huby’s junior coach.

      • Don Ciccio

        Neither do I

      • FistsofNeil25

        Better than Berglund lol

    • Tooks

      Yuk! Would rather take a shot at Ehlers, I mean if we are crapshooting, might aswell go with immense talent.

    • jimmyjohnson

      Florida trades the 1st and Huberdeau for Kadri and Spezza.

      Spezza walks as a free agent and Kadri holds out when its time to renew.

      Florida spends the next 10 years at the bottom of the league wondering why they pushed for the playoffs in 2015 when they should have pushed for the 1st overall.

      • FistsofNeil25

        Sounds about right.

    • Sandy

      That Toronto trade for the first overall could get done. Then they would draft Ekblad to go with Reilly. That’s a good young pairing right there.

    • sprucesens

      seems like they could get more than kadri and the 8th for the 1st. The drop off from 1st to 8th is pretty substantial this year, and kadri doesn’t make up enough. Maybe if you added their 2nd pick too.

      • FistsofNeil25

        Maybe. It was just a crazy random trade idea that I thought of in 5 seconds. Not to be taken the least bit seriously.

      • CUP 2014-15

        I read a blog a few days back out of FLA. It stated the offer being Kadri, Gardiner and 8th for the 1st and that the Cats responded with a flip of picks but T.O. had to give up JVR and Morgan Rilley as the Cats had no interest in Kadri. Again not a great source.

  • Phil.

    Chirp, did you pay McKenzie for that tweet to get things going on the blog?

  • ill district

    Any chance of a CBJ move? The team pretty young in the middle, only first line talent is Ryan Johansen ( who is incredible but only 21)

    Would love to see Jack Johnston or Ryan Murray in a sens uniform.

    This CBJ team will be deadly in 2-3 years.

    • jimmyjohnson

      If they make a push for a player, it won’t be Spezza.

    • The Apostle

      What I want from CBJ is an agreement that when Murray retires, Kekalainen can be our new GM.

  • PaulMacLeansDuster

    I say the team in the East is the Rangers. Sather wants to reunite Spezza and Nash.

    • peetypuck

      I don’t think that Murray has ever traded with Sather in his long career as a GM.

      • aegiszx

        With all due respect to the Rangers organization, Sather just rubs me the wrong way. Him, and Holmgren. I get the feeling they may not be the most cooperative GMs in the NHL… Just a feeling…

    • FistsofNeil25

      Rangers don’t have a first round pick this year or next and they have the weakest prospect pool remaining in hockey. What do they have to offer?

      • Keregan

        haglin stepan stall kreider

        • Tooks

          Hagelin, Stepan, Staal, Kreider…
          Doubt any of them are moved for Spezza.

          • thepez

            We are talking about the team that gave Redden 39 million. Kreider and a second would do it for me.

          • Keregan

            me to but still if they really want Spezz they got stuff to offer, just wanted to underline potential return

      • sprucesens

        and little cap room, don’t forget that, and no more buyouts either

  • Sandy

    Not sure if this has been mentioned or not.

    TSN’s BarDown awarded some “Alternative” NHL awards…

    http://www.tsn.ca/bardown/Story.aspx?The%2bNHL%25e2%2580%2599s%2bAlternative%2bAwards&id=455591

    Melnyk won the Harold Ballard Award – Awarded to the owner who best contributes to the downfall of a franchise.

    The article is no longer there. I hope someone high up in the Sens organization saw that.. I didn’t see it, I don’t know if anyone else here did?

    • SensChirp
      • Sandy

        Thanks Chirp. With some of the comments there, I can see why they removed the article.

        • Zira1

          I remember Harold as well Sandy. I watched the last game that the Leafs won for the Stanley Cup. To this day I still think Norm Ulman was offside on the goal. But at my age maybe my memory is shot like everything else. After all that was in 1967.

    • EK65

      It’s been mentioned 8 times.

      • Sandy

        I haven’t read all of the comments. My bad.

    • Miguel

      Well earnded by the Euge, after a streak of 40 plus years by the Maple Laffs, the Euge managed to unseat them!

  • FistsofNeil25

    Bruce Garrioch@SunGarrioch

    The #Sens will study all their options on Jason Spezza when they gather in Philly later today and tomorrow. Offers will only improve.

    Wayne Scanlan @HockeyScanner

    The Senators are targeting Friday, latest, for a Spezza trade. Why? Because they want to have a first round pick in this draft.

    • Tooks

      The Scanlan bit is odd, its the weakest draft in 10 years and Murray WANTS a 1st round pick? Unless its top 3, its useless and I highly doubt we get a top 3-5 without giving up ALOT more than Spezza.

      • EK65

        It’s been said a lot. It is a weak draft, depth wise. You can still get a good player in the first round. After that, blah.

        • Tooks

          You wont get an NHL rdy player past the 5th pick. Why bother, Murray wants players that can play now in return for Spezza, not in 3-4 years.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Then why did he set his asking price at a roster player, prospect and a first round pick?

          • Tooks

            To gauge interest, and he now saw that nobody is willing to give that much. The player we get in the draft wont be rdy for next year and Murray made it clear he wanted players rdy now.

            Scanlan is still hooked up on the preliminary asking price.

          • FistsofNeil25

            He said he wants a player that can play now. He can still get that and a 1st rounder.

          • Tooks

            True, I just dont see the value of limiting your trade return with a mandatory 1st round pick in a weak draft.

            Instead of the 1st we could get 2 NHL rdy players…

          • EK65

            Why bother? Because there is more than 1 more year of NHL hockey left? Because having a deep prospect pool is what wins championships down the road? .. Need anymore?

          • Tooks

            Yes and we dont have that either, our propsect pool is full of 3rd liners and 2nd line plugs…Lazar is a our meal ticket and he doesnt even project into a top 3…

            Our Core is from other clubs.

          • EK65

            You just proved my point. Even more reason to try for a 1st this year.

          • Tooks

            No I just crushed your point, why bother adding something we already have a ton of…We need players that can play now OR impact players, we wont get one unless we land in the top 3 picks…

          • FistsofNeil25

            But you already said yourself that no one is going to give us an impact player for Spezza.

      • Keregan

        yup at this point i wouldn’t care much for a 1st, i would be more focus on a return that can help the team now and moving foward

      • FistsofNeil25

        If they truly do want a 1st that must mean there are a few players available that they believe can be good players for us. I believe in the Sens scouting department.

        • Tooks

          You mean like meddling 2nd line plugs or an actual impact player that can help immediately. No impact players past top 3.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Maybe there’s a diamond in the rough somewhere in the Tookie. I don’t know much about this draft class because I honestly don’t follow major junior that closely or any junior euro leagues.

            If the Sens scouts believe there could be a couple good players in there then I believe them over my own knowledge or yours of this years draft class.

          • Tooks

            Of course there are good players, some might even turn out to be the next Crosby but that is extremely rare. Just saying, this draft is weak, only the top 3-5 can have some sort of impact on the team its selected by, the rest is project material, 2-3-4 years down the road, unless you get a gem. (odds very low)

            IMO it would be better for Murray to get a return of 2 NHL rdy players, rather than 1.

            The probability of the type of player we are gonna get past the 10th pick, we already have an abundance of…

      • Spoons

        I don’t care for a 1st either. Just take a quick look at hockeydb by draft year and you’ll see what a weak draft looks like in the 1st. It sucks unless you have a top 3 pick. In most cases, the D-man in the top 3 pick is NOT worth it… On a weak draft year that is… Not like the Doughty-Pietragelo year. More like the Barker, Johnson and Johnson years.

      • sprucesens

        just to keep it light hearted around here, I love when you capitalize a word that doesn’t exist. ALOT is not a word, lol. For anyone who wants humorous reading, look up the alot monster, its a funny read.

      • ProfessorPower

        maybe he wants to flip it in another package. If we get a first id assume we would wait, if we like the player at that spot we pick him, if a player we want gets picked before us we flip it.

    • CUP 2014-15

      I have to disagree with Scanlan’s reasoning for putting this to bed before Friday. I believe J. Dorion when he said we will be the busiest team on July 1st. The only way that happens is when they have solidified their return on JS19 and know who to target and that takes time. Those conversations are already happening with all UFA’s

      • FistsofNeil25

        I don’t see how the Spezza trade and free agency are correlated right now. Also, when Dorion said he they would be busy on July 1st, it was in reference to getting something done for guys like Ryan, Methot and MacArthur.

        • CUP 2014-15

          If the return for Spezza is a left wing top six then they can focus on a top 4 D, for example.

          • FistsofNeil25

            I think they obviously wish to get a first rounder at this point and yes, they would also like to get a deal done now so they can focus on free agency.

        • Don Ciccio

          That’s what I got from that as well.

  • Sandy

    Chirp — did the Sens do a call on Stastny?

    • EK65

      I don’t think Chirp has Murray’s phone line’s tapped….

      • SensChirp

        Ya, I don’t know for sure unfortunately. Although a phone tap isn’t a bad idea.

        I consider it so far-fetched that he would come here that I’m not overly concerned whether or not they made a call.

        • BradinCarp

          But, but, but….we will spend when the time is right

          • jimmyjohnson

            We will spend when the time is right…or we won’t and I’ll admit to being wrong and bow to everyones supreme wisdom.

          • BradinCarp

            So acquiring Statsny which does 2 things is not a good use of resources? A) It would increase the number of teams and price tag for a spezza trade B) Replaces our centre position

            From the Spezza trade we then target a top 4 dman and a first round pick. More teams would be willing to part with a package like that and we have just drastically accelerated our rebuild.

            The alternative may be to trade spezza for the rumoured undesirable pieces. Wait for several years and HOPE that the prospect and pick work out. All the while we still are thin on #1 and #2 centres (eg: potential lottery team).

            To me it makes a TON of sense and rather than basement dwellers we are a playoff team. Delete Spezza, add Statsny and a top 4 dman plus a first rounder….think about it, we have a whack of cap space too

          • FistsofNeil25

            Only a couple problems with this – Stastny would never sign in Ottawa and our cap space is useless when we can’t use much of it. We’re going to have about 14-15M in cap space that Murray won’t be allowed to use because of the budget.

          • BradinCarp

            And this was my point, spend when the time is right. The time seems pretty right when you look at how we could transform our team. Lets not forget that MM9 is goners by the looks of it too.

          • jimmyjohnson

            ?

            you just manufactured a whole different argument. I don’t have the energy to half disagree with you.

            It doesn’t make perfect sense.
            It wouldn’t be terrible.
            He won’t sign here.
            The point is moot.

          • BradinCarp

            I didn’t manufacture anything, name me any other reasons why the sens would go after Statsny? If I manufactured something then you must have a whole pile of them, do tell.

          • jimmyjohnson

            Ignoring the incredibly incoherent nature of your last reply, I said “we will spend when the time right” and you somehow took that to mean that I think kicking tires on Stastny is a bad idea.

            The fact that you can’t see the argument you so eagerly created is embarrassing for you.

            I’m done. Think what you want.
            Take your argument somewhere else though.

          • BradinCarp

            You sure are a class act….pot shots at me in every post reply. You sir are the one with a comprehension issue, there is nothing incoherent about my posts, only your reply. Live well.

          • jimmyjohnson

            lol

            I took one pot shot in three posts.
            You say I take a pot shot in every post.

            Tale = told.

            yes, please refrain from engaging me any further and I will do the same.

          • BradinCarp

            No problem, I will adhere to the “supreme wisdom” and refrain from any “incoherent” posts and hopefully not “manufactured a whole different argument”. lol

          • jimmyjohnson

            Great. Thanks.

      • The Apostle

        CSE might.

  • Zelle

    The Spezza trade can’t happen soon enough for me. But then again all I want in return is a top six NHL ready player between 25-35 and a prospect or a 2015 pick or something. I don’t want the moon, just someone who helps our team right away that fits in Maclean’s structure and type. My preference would be a LW as well.

    • EK65

      I’d skip the 30-35 range. I’d actually be pretty upset if Murray got older with this trade.

      • Zelle

        True I’d prefer around Turris’ age to be sure, but let’s say if we did get 30-35 and a pick and prospect, or 25-30 with a pick or prospect?

  • Dirk-Diggler

    Here is my wishlist for this week…

    1. Ship Spezza + Prince to STL Shwartz
    2. 2nd 2014 + Gryba to move down to Edmonton for their 2nd in 2014 (up 7 spots I believe) and choose Josh Ho Sang
    3. Sign Lehner to a 3 year deal at $2M per season (1.75, 2 and 2.25)

    • ill district

      Lehner wants to be a starter, i would like to see a 2 year deal for 5 mil at the most.

      • Pasky

        He won’t be a starter this year though, but next year for sure. 2 year deal makes the most sense. And I hope that’s 5M total not per year.

    • CUP 2014-15

      Gryba would have to be happy with the way that Edmt. wants to pay their D.

  • ill district

    Off topic, interesting post i read on TSN regarding players requesting trades. How can any player request a trade then leverage their NTC? If they want to be moved, the GM should force the player to waive their NTC.

    Similar to the Heatley, if he wanted out, he should have no input where he goes. His stock drastically declines when the GMs know that the trade options are limited.

    Lots of talk that Kessler requested a trade, but only provided 2 teams. I really think that he said “move me if you want” not “I want out of here”.. But media can distorted this as per usual.

    • Hax

      Spezza didn’t “request a trade” as much as he told Murray that he had no intention of extending his contract. Big difference.

      • Guest

        Sorry, but i was referencing the Heatley situation and possibly Kessler (if he in fact he “requested a trade”)..

        I think we all concur that Speeza advised that he would not be oppose to a move, but in no way did he say “I want out”.. If he doesn’t move, no problem with him putting on a sens jersey next year. Heatley probably wouldn’t have shown for training camp.

      • ill district

        I wasn’t referring to Speeza, but more so the concept in general. More so the Heatley situation – and possibly Kessler if he infact requested a trade out of Van.

        • Hax

          Well if a player either directly in indirectly indicates he won’t report to camp or play out his contract then you have a point. But if a player is willing to stay and play out his contract then I see nothing wrong with requesting a trade but still expecting to have use of their NTC/NMC.

          • Pasky

            Agree with this. I think this was less of Spezza wanting a trade and more Spezza telling the team he isn’t interested in resigning with the club unless they put money into trying for the cup. More of a common courtesy for the team so that they don’t lose him for nothing at free agency.

    • EK65

      I totally agree on the NTC becoming void on a signed trade request by both parties. NHLPA will never concede that though.

      • Hax

        “signed trade request” – huh?

  • Harry

    Honestly, BM should focus on trying to pry a 1st round pick in next year’s draft instead from a team. Isn’t next year’s draft supposed to be one of the deepest in years. A friend of mine said in a decade. Not sure if it that was true or he was exaggerting.

  • I’m just sayin’

    …. and Lionel Messi strokes it home

    Argentina rolling now

    • Don Ciccio

      Goalie should of had it…….Didn’t even move and the ball was right beside him…..Having said that, I love Messi.

  • FistsofNeil25

    Toronto playing hard ball with Dave Bolland indicates that Shanahan has brought some common sense to that organization. That sucks….

  • Pugnacious Serf

    Is the team in the east Tampa Bay? How about a Palat and either their 1st or Connolly trade? I could see a Spezza + defenseman trade as well. TB needs to bolster their blue line this off season.

    • Brock

      I think it’s the Rangers. Don’t really know who they could offer though.

      • KingKarlsson84 – RSU is pathet

        They are going after Big Joe I think, the rumor is the Panthers are the team in the East…

        • Brock

          I thought Thornton said that he wants to stay in San Jose?

          • KingKarlsson84 – RSU is pathet

            The Sharks are looking for a culture change though, they may not resign him…

        • C.J.

          weird little pet peeve of mine when people call him Big Joe… It’s Jumbo Joe!!! haha big joe sounds weird

    • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

      Ana
      Dallas
      St Louis
      Florida

      • Pugnacious Serf

        Florida eh? Find it strange that with the young center depth Florida has(Barkov, Herberdeau, Shore, Bjustad) that they have need for Speeza.

        • Sensnation

          They need someone to teach them. Huberdeau may not stay at C longterm.

    • CUP 2014-15

      Agree, I think they are the team in the East

  • boom

    For all you genuises out there who know everything there is to know about this years draft (weakest in 10 years…really?), how about stopping with this crap, please?

    From everything i have read, the thing the seperates one draft year from another is the quality of the first few picks – are they franchise type players (Stamkos, Tavares, Crosby) or are they “just” top line/top pairing guys (Landeskog, Nugent-Hopkins etc.)?

    This year, apparently is the latter, but here’s what Bob MacKenzie said:

    “It might not be as dynamic as 2013 or as promising as 2015 but, in the eyes of the scouts, the 2014 NHL draft class is rock solid.”

    But, what does he know, right?

    • RUSH RLZ

      Exactly right boom! And with our scouting prowess I really wish we had had 12 picks instead of 4 or whatever.

      Maybe we will resign Michalek, but if both him and Hemsky walked, I was
      hoping to get a 6th or 7th each for negotiating rights even.

      Too late now…

    • FistsofNeil25

      Bob MacKenzie? Have any of you guys heard of him before… does he have ANY credibility?

      • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

        Unless hockey insiderr posts it it can’t be true

        • FistsofNeil25

          and all this time I’ve been following Eklund. I thought he was the most reliable guy in the biz?

          • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

            2nd best man… Insiderr is the bees knees

      • peetypuck

        I think Muckler used to use MacKenzie’s draft list to do his drafting.

  • esk

    NY – St.Louis, 2nd rd pick 2015
    TB – Callahan, 2014 & 2015 1st round pick and 7th Rd pick in 2015

  • MethotToMyMadness

    Today being June 25th, the NHL News is coming at us fast and hot. So much information all at once. Signings, trades and buyouts. And we use to think the NHL off season was boring,lol

    Love hearing about the Spezza deals heating up. I still think my prediction holds true, he’s dealt on the 27th.

    A little surprised at the offer for Callahan, at least the term. And the trade between Edm-CBJ was a good one for the Oilers, getting Nikitin for a 5th rd. But I was a little surprised at the buyout of Malone. Yes, he had that arrest but I thought the Team was going to back up him on that and work through the substance abuse program. I guess that ain’t happening.

  • Brock

    If we do acquire a first round pick who would you like to see drafted? Anaheim drafts at 10 and 24. St. Louis drafts at 21. Dallas at 14 and Chicago at 27.

  • Don Ciccio

    Someone of HF Boards said that apparently Dallas has put in a serious offer……Hear anything Chirp?

    • SensChirp

      Nothing beyond them being a team with interest. Got a link?

      • Doc

        It’s one dude on HF claiming he knows something. It’s BS like it usually is.

        So many “insiders” these days.

        • FBP

          Same poster said something was up a couple of nights ago in regards to Michalek, Gryba and Lehner and nothing happened.

          http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/showthread.php?t=1694467&page=16

          Post 384.

          • Doc

            That place has turned to shit in the last couple of years. It’s filled with kids having pissing contests based on opinions.

            Let’s just say their credibility is basically zero.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Blues and Sens fans have been going at it on HF for weeks.

        • FistsofNeil25

          lol yeah but some of the “insiders” are sometimes legit. I had a buddy who was friends with the Murray family and he told me a lot of things that ended up coming true.

          Unfortunately that source went out the window the day Tim Murray was hired in Buffalo.

          • Doc

            Family ties is one thing, but claiming you have insider knowledge is another.

            You can get a LOT of information if you look in the right places or ask the right people. You just need to put in the effort.

          • SensChirp

            Ya I think it’s pretty rare that you find a legitimate “insider” posting their information online. More about knowing people on the inside or around the team.

            Don’t know much about that guy but he’s had some interesting information last couple days.

          • Doc

            Besides, knowing how Murray operates, I take everything that is being said publicly with a grain of salt.

            Most Murray trades come out of nowhere or involve players we weren’t expecting.

            He’s been around long enough to know how to play the game with the media.

          • Andrews theory

            see now that’s where booze comes into play. I have had more than one conversation with people that have let some info out after a few glasses of Scotch.

          • Doc

            YOU TOLD ME THAT WAS A PRIVATE DISCUSSION.

            Don’t you dare tell them about “the Incident”.

      • Don Ciccio

        FBP just posted the link down below

    • Brock

      Chiasson, Nichushkin, 14 overall pick.

      • Doc

        You wouldn’t get Nichuskin straight up for Spezza.

        • Pasky

          Agree, Nichuskin on a line with Benn and Seguin is a lock, I can Chiasson being available and hope he is. I can see us maybe sending Weircioch or another D as well since they only have 5 signed right now. That is if the team wants to keep Ceci in the big leagues.

          • Doc

            The kid is going to be a superstar.

            Would love him in a Sens jersey, but it won’t happen.

        • Don Ciccio

          agreed

      • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

        Jesus did Spezza just get Gretzky, messier and Hull blood in his body

    • esk

      my sources tell me the rangers are in it

      • Don Ciccio

        got to love these dumb replies

        • esk

          lol lighten up it was a joke

    • Sensnation

      Dallas’ gm is keen on making a big move to get his team in the playoffs. Early on in the process I heard they were one of the few teams to put a serious offer on the table, but I don’t think it includes Nichushkin. I believe it was Chiasson, a dman (possibly Daley) and their 1st or 2nd.

  • CUP 2014-15

    So MG resigns with LA 7 yrs 5M per, long term, injuries…wow

    • esk

      thats a great deal for him..

    • FistsofNeil25

      7 years?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

    • Sensnation

      Damn, that’s a long commitment!

    • KJ

      that is stupid! And we are whining about EM, and BM not spending. this is a ridiculous contract. MG will be bought out after two seasons.

  • OleHeaveHoFlipperoooni

    “Sens aren’t really pushing to get a deal done”

    Nor should they be… that’s just music to my ears. This should be a position of strength Murrays dealing from. Let the teams in on Spezz get into a bit of a bidding war. No need to rush

    As for ufas I want Jussi Jokinen!!! Come on BM! Our Piss poor shootout record would be a thing of the past!!!

  • Sandy

    Pierre LeBrun @Real_ESPNLeBrun · 4m

    I believe that Gaborik’s 7-yr deal is worth around $4.9 M or $5 M a year. I am working to confirm.

    • Pasky

      The 7 years is terrible, but at 5M if he stays healthy and productive then it’s a steal for LA. And it’s not like they have a budget to stick to so good deal all around. High risk but tis the season.

    • KingKarlsson84 – RSU is pathet

      That’s how you do it….Get injured for years and then kill it in your contract season, then go back to being injured again…

      • MethotToMyMadness

        It’s always the case.

  • esk

    soo another insider “ANA looking at Spezza ’cause they feel VAN asking too much for Kesler. STL looking at Stastny cause they feel OTT asking too much for Spezza”…”ANA made offer to OTT for Spezza. Not giving up on Kesler but looking to see if Spezza will be cheaper. Weird.” @KThakur20

    • Sensnation

      VAN is asking for Saad in a Kesler deal supposedly out of CHI so I can only imagine the pieces they want from other teams.

      • MethotToMyMadness

        This is why I think Ottawa will trade Spezza before Kesler is dealt. While Ottawa is asking a lot, I think Van are being even harder to deal with when it comes to Kesler. Teams will go with Spezza, but I just hope Ottawa doesn’t take too much less.

        • Sensnation

          Agreed. It does seem to have actually helped our cause.

      • Sandy

        I would imagine that Saad is an untouchable as Toews, Kane, Keith.

  • Sensnation

    Interesting TSN article today from Cullen about draft pick success rates.
    http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=455673

    Forwards in First 5 Picks
    At Least 100 NHL Games (or very likely): 95.2%

    Forwards in First 30 Picks
    At Least 100 NHL Games (or very likely): 73.5%

    Defencemen in First 5 Picks

    At Least 100 NHL Games (or very likely): 100.0%

    Defencemen in First 30 Picks
    At Least 100 NHL Games (or very likely): 70.6%

    I think this illustrates the gm mentality that top Dman picks are pretty much a guarantee to be NHL players with more risk in forwards, but after those top 5 picks the success rate trend starts to reverse. Adds more fuel to the Ekblad vs Bennett and others debate.

  • CUP 2014-15

    MG gets 4.85 per for 7, official. Man Milo must be laughing at Sens offer today

    • EK65

      Gaborik is a much better player. Both have injury problems.

      • CUP 2014-15

        aree but 2 years v 7

        • EK65

          Right. But No one will offer milo anything more than 3 or 4 with his injury history. Gaborik just had a great season/won a cup too. Different situations

          • Pasky

            I’m sure he can find someone that would pay between 4M-4.5M with a rising cap on a short term deal.

    • ProfessorPower

      Milo can leave, and probably will because someone will offer him more than the sens. Doesn’t bother me at all.

    • KingKarlsson84 – RSU is pathet

      Gaborik just won a cup! Milo has just won least improved for 2013-2014….He doesn’t get to laugh at anything

      • CUP 2014-15

        willing to bet he is laughing, no way he signs for 3m and only 2 y

        • esk

          its fair though..gaborik is a gamebreaker and when healthy one of the best..cant compare the two.

        • KingKarlsson84 – RSU is pathet

          Then he can suck on another team then, BYEEEEEEEEE

        • MethotToMyMadness

          Milo doesn’t want to sign anything short, because he knows he’s an injury away from done and future contracts will be almost impossible. He wants the long term deal, because he then has a cushion to land on. I think we all know that, but what everyone is saying, is Milo isn’t Gaborik and the situations to which a contract were just signed, are polar opposites.

    • aegiszx

      Gabo has also scored 40+ goals a season for many seasons, and if not that, then he’s done at least 30… Dude is a bonafide sniper. He deservers the money he commands…

      • CUP 2014-15

        not debating the cash, its the term for someone hurt as often as milo. No question hes a better player then Milo, but holy F#@K, 7 YEARS

        • esk

          he took a paycut soo kings offer longer term

        • FistsofNeil25

          7 years is crazy but they had to give him the term to keep his annual cap hit down. It seems like a lot but if he helps them win another cup or two then no one will be complaining.

          • CUP 2014-15

            No question but lets just look at 3 contracts today and I would guess the reaction is the same to all of them, the market is prices a lot higher then expected and that could bode well for Sen’s dealing JS

          • aegiszx

            In the grand scheme of things, it wont matter so long as they win or have a chance to win.

            Chicago locked Hossa up for 12 years, Keith for 13 years, Toews/Kane about to sign for 7+ years… and it’s brought them 2 Stanley Cups, and almost brought them a third this past spring.

          • Tooks

            Maybe we can lock up Bertuzzi for 13 years!

          • MethotToMyMadness

            And in 2 years time, his cap hit will look like a joke compared to some of the future signings they will do.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Kopitar will be signing for 9 or 10M if the rumors of Toews and Kane getting 10+ are accurate.

      • Tooks

        The $$ is correct the term is a bit long but who cares really. Thats sets the bar for Ryan IMO. CMac should et under that aswell.

        • FistsofNeil25

          That contract sets the bar for nothing. It doesn’t set a precedent at all.

          • Tooks

            Ryan’s agent will base his next contract off of this one and it will be more.

  • Sharmarke

    Whats with the picture today chirp? Is this kyle turris’ eye exam?

    • EK65

      That’s Spezza. With Frosted tips. Likely during draft combine in 2001.

      • Pasky

        Makes me feel old… I remember when the bleached hair or streaks was the biggest thing in school lol

  • esk

    i just got trolllled hard… “BREAKING: Ottawa trade Jason Spezza to Toronto for Nazem Kadri, Jake Gardiner and 1st round pick. #Senators #Leafs”@TSNBobMcKenlze. Fake account

    • Spoons

      So it has begun… A reminder to triple check those twitter accounts

    • Pasky

      Yup, I do think that’s the package the Leafs try to send to Florida for the 1st overall pick on draft day though. Not sure if Florida takes it or not but that’s another story.

      • OleHeaveHoFlipperoooni

        Fuckin swear if we get Kadri ever…… ugghhhh

  • sprucesens

    just something to think about. If we traded spezza last year for Dallas’s first pick, and took nichushkin, would everyone be alright with that as the sole return for spezza? I doubt it. Now that he’s played a season with a few all star players and amassed a whopping 34 points he’s all of a sudden untouchable? Whereas a guy like chiasson who is a few years older, but didn’t get the same players as much on his line, who scored 35 points, almost identical goals/assists, is to be included with dillion and a 1st? I’m not saying dallas doesn’t see nichuskin as untouchable, but I think fans are overvaluing other teams young players. While they certainly will be good, there is no certainty. Trading us nichushkin + for spezza would almost be identical to silf+ for ryan. Similar point totals and upside. I just use nichuskin as an example, but similar theories could arise for players like shwartz and tarasenko, (but both put up much better numbers on a better team). Point is it’ll take a prospect of this caliber to get spezza, as well as the extra pieces. If you are getting spezza, you are giving up a player you would rather keep, just like we lost silfverberg. I don’t think a single person was happy to see him traded. But we all faced the reality that you have to give to get. It will be no different for us trading spezza

    • Pasky

      One thing to keep in mind when you trade for a pick you don’t know the player that you will get. I thought at the Nichuskin dropped further than he should have so it’s not like the Sens would have planned to draft him. And there’s no guarantee that he would have even made the Sens last year, or have the same chemistry on the top line.

      There’s lots of variables and guess work when dealing with young players, which makes it riskier thus teams try to avoid it as much as possible.

      • sprucesens

        yeah, the point I was really trying to get across, as it was just a mid round pick. EVERYBODY would be up in arms if traded spezza this year for a 1st round pick in the middle of the pack.(10-15) Even if we drafted a player like nichushkin. So how does playing 1 year and getting 35 points make you a player that can be traded straight up for a PPG 1C? If that was offered, dallas would jump on that faster than your draw could drop. Imagine if we traded for JUST a 1st round pick this year in the 15 range. We draft a great player. But that player gets 30 points. Do we all of a sudden he is the best thing since sliced bread and every other team is going to give us their star player’s straight up for him? It just doesn’t work like that. Only TOP young players could get that kind of consideration, somewhere in the top 3 picks, maybe 5 in a strong draft.

        • sprucesens

          in our situation, say we were in win now mode. But we really wanted a top 1C as our next piece to add on. Let’s say lazar played last year and put up 45 points in his first year. Do you really think Anaheim would call saying getzlaf is available, and we’d take lazar straight up?
          Obviously getz is worth more than spezza and is better all around player and so on, but do you really think we wouldn’t already have lazar’s bag’s packed before “-laf” came out of murray’s mouth? Proven players are worth more, most often, than young potential. If spezza was 35+ maybe that’s all we’d get, but there is still 4-5 good hockey season’s before he gets there. Sounds a little bit silly when you look at it from another team’s point of view

        • sprucesens

          also, see kadri’s value. he had a great season, then fell off. He may never be as good again, or he could turn into the next toews(skills wise) 1 good season from a young player will never get you a 1C from any team, not even at the deadline. Team’s want insurance, hence the extra pieces. It’s the “throw enough $H17 at the wall, and some is bound to stick” motto.

    • OleHeaveHoFlipperoooni

      Was either Silfverberg or Zibanejad + Noeson & First for Bobby

      Sucked to lose Jakob but would have rather him then Zbad like Murray chose.

  • Pat D

    I think Ottawa needs to make a blockbuster trade here. Not only do they need to move Spezza, but I also think they should consider moving Anderson… Its time for Lehner to step in and take over. Lehner is going to hold out for more money if he is not the starting goalie. The organization needs to take a leep in faith to give him the number 1 job.

    Teams that need a proven number 1 goalie – Buffalo, Minnesota, Washington, Vancouver, Winnipeg, Dallas, Calgary, Edmonton.

    So if I were B.M, I would move Spezza to Chicago, ANA, or STL in return for a top line player, and a prospect or draft pick. THEN trade Anderson for another top 6 guy or top 4 defenceman. I would also consider trading for James Neal and signing Paul Statsny if we were not get a centre in return for Spezza.

    Just some idea’s..

    • FistsofNeil25

      We can’t get a top six forward or a top four defenseman for Andy. We can probably get an average prospect and a 3rd or 4th round pick for him at best. What good would that do the Sens?

      • Pat D

        what good would it do if we lose Anderson to free agency next summer and get nothing in return?

        • FistsofNeil25

          If Lehner steps up next season then we can look at trading Andy at the deadline. Lehner hasn’t shown yet that he’s a capable #1 goaltender and some would argue that’s because he hasn’t had the opportunity with Andy as the undisputed starter.

          That’s going to change this season. Who ever is the best goaltender out of training camp and to start the season will likely be the starter. If Lehner proves to be the better goalie shows he’s ready by January/February, then we can look to trade Anderson at the deadline without losing him for nothing as a free agent. If Lehner stumbles and fails to grab the reigns, then we’ll be happy we didn’t trade Anderson for scraps this summer.

        • Pasky

          Look at the Goalie market for UFAs, its pretty flodded so there isn’t much value in a trade, and if we lose Andy next season but Lehner has proved he can be a starter then we only need to sign a back up for cheap. Keeping Anderson if Lehner falters this season and losing him for nothing is worth more than trading him for a crapshoot prospect or draft pick that has a 30% chance of behing a bottom 6 player on our team.

          • Sensnation

            Agreed, unless adding Anderson to Spezza guarantees that premium prospect coming back like Tarasenko or Nichuskin. Dallas doesn’t need a goalie, but St Louis may.

        • Big Lue

          We can get a solid return for him at trade deadline, plus trading him would give Lehner Starter status and give him leverage to ask for more in his contract negotiations

          • Hax

            Lehner is an RFA right now – he’ll be signed before any Anderson trade (unless that trade happens very soon which I doubt).

          • Big Lue

            There are a bunch of good goalies out there on the FA market right now:

            Miller
            Brodeur
            Hiller
            Vokoun
            Thomas

            Why would someone trade for Andy now? Waiting until trade deadline when there will be more of a market makes sense.

          • Jakester

            Not if you sign a UFA goalie with experience and threaten Lehner to be patient, lots of ways to temper Lehner’s salary demands. No need to pay big here.

          • Big Lue

            Then why trade Anderson, he is exactly what you just described. What do we get in return, a 2nd round pick and a prospect who is 2-3 years from playing?

    • Senatollah

      You dont trade ANDY until you sign THE LEHNER

  • OleHeaveHoFlipperoooni

    Been done before but no hockey fan can resist playing Gm so I’ll throw out another list of preferred trades and preferred players coming back from teams allegedly interested

    Anaheim – Not my favorite team to trade Spezza to but a package of Cogs or Perreault with Josh Manson and our 1st back would be good IMO

    Arizona – One of my preferred landing spots. Same trade I came up with working with at work. Samuelsson, Vermette and Michael Stone. Or Domi instead of Samuelsson

    Chicago – Sharp + Leddy, Saad or Teravainen

    Avs – ROR + or just ROR is good with me

    Stars – Meh,, Nichushkin or no to Dallas

    Panthers – In NHL 2014 I did Andy & Spezz for Huberdeau, Gudbranson and a 2nd seem almost fair. Unlikely so: Spezza and Greening for: Any package including one of Bjgustad, Huberdeau, Gudbranson, Barkov with Bergenheim

    St. Louis – ShattenKirk/Schwartz/Tarasenko or Oshie +

    Tampa – Palat or Johnson +

    Could be Hours, Days, Weeks or Months… Go Murray Go. Don’t let us down!

    • Sandy

      Why would Florida want Andy when they have Luongo?

      • ProfessorPower

        he said “Unlikely so: Spezza + Greening…”

      • OleHeaveHoFlipperoooni

        That was my trade in PS3 NHL 14

  • esk

    the blues suprise me..there window to win is now..they’ve been eliminated in the 1st round two years in a row…they lack offence and are in desperate need of a center like spezza….what do they do? lets wait it out and play hardball lol hope they get burnt. You don’t have an opportunity like this EVER. + its spezza’s #1 choice and hitchcock loves him….what are you waiting for?

    • SensChirp

      Stastny

      • esk

        They could lose out on both..more competition for stastny and if murray gets a ridic offer he cant refuse they’re fucked…

        • AutoTurris

          True but pay Stastny, or give up assets for Spezza. Pursuing Stastny has a higher risk associated with it, yes, but OTT is asking for a premium. They’re between a rock and a hard place.

          • esk

            exactly.. if i was the blues GM i would think its more likely that someone will meet murrays asking price or close to it. So regardless if you wait it out or not your going to have to pay a premium…in the situation they are in why not do it asap and focus on signing spezza and fill in other holes through other trade/free agency. That seems like a safer route

      • Tooks

        ^this^

    • Tooks

      The Blues window is hardly now, lol. They are a heavy contender and will be for the next 8+ years…

      • esk

        lol they were the favourites to win this year. Pressure to win now..im sure the’ll be able to compete in the next 8 years though

    • Sandy

      They are going after Stastny and IMO they have a chance to land him. He grew up there and they have the cap room to make it happen.

      • esk

        ah that makes more sense. didnt know he grew up there..

  • AutoTurris

    No trades. No signings. No news of any kind. Rumors and smoke… That’s all we have and the preferred window of opportunity before the draft is slowly coming to a close.

    I shit you not, my sanity is slipping.

    My only solace is telling myself that even if the 2014-2015 roster was laid out in front of me right now, I would still have to wait two months to see it in action. And even that hurts me on an emotional level.

    • sprucesens

      lots of news, just not for us, lol. actually the faster other teams and players get signed/bought out or traded, the faster they come for spezza

    • Keregan

      lol it’s true though the waiting is slowly but surely killing me to :)

    • CUP 2014-15

      Cold beer and Tequila shooters brother, that’s the ticket, next thing you know it’s Thursday. LOL

    • FBP

      Is your wife happier than last week at least?

  • FBP

    I’m surprised we haven’t heard anything about which agents the Sens are set to meet with in advance of the FA day. We must have interest in someone.

    • Sandy

      Sure Stastny. But the chances are close to nil for the Sens to land him.

    • Sensnation

      Didn’t you hear, they want to bring Milo back ;)

      Truthfully with all the depth we have, there are few spots that need to be filled by anything less than elite talent. Murray still wants his big top 6 forward, but that sounds like it’s coming from the Spezza trade.

    • OleHeaveHoFlipperoooni

      Better be kicking the tires on Jussi Jokinen

    • sprucesens

      there has been the odd rumour here and their, but nothing to get all hussied up about. lol. interest in niskanen, I’m sure we’ll kick the tires on lots of FA’s like oreilly, stastny, cammalleri, vrbata, moulson, vanek and so on. We won’t offer enough, nor will we be an enticing enough city for most of those players. The good news is we have to spend somewhere. But it might mean overspending on a B level talent because we couldn’t convince the A talent to come here for the same money, lol

  • CUP 2014-15

    So, Mark Fayne, RH D for NJ listed as a 5,6,7 is a stay at home 6’3 215lber meeting with Oilers demanding min of 4-5 yr deal, WTF is going on

    • Sensnation

      Oilers nuts are in a vice-grip!

      Few players want to go there so those that do can command quite a bit. Probably why they keep overpaying their 4-7 dmen.

      • MethotToMyMadness

        Ottawa will soon find themselves in this situation if players keep looking to leave. Ottawa offers lower contracts, but eventually when everyone says no, the money has to be increased.

        • runningbear1974

          Once you start overpaying, everyone expects it… Shows the management doesn’t believe in their team… I believe a winning strategy is to pay people their worth to you… The trick is to trade the players that want more than their value to you…
          Ottawa has never been a team to get UFAs… We were a good draft picking team, and then that stopped… That was the problem… We need to continue to develop from within so that we can continue to grow, and have assets available for trade…
          Oilers have been running their organization backwards for years now… Ottawa is doing it right…
          Only ever overpay to get a UFA here on a short term basis… That’ my opinion…

        • Sensnation

          Agreed, though I think Ottawa’s “poor” situation will only last another year or two. After that the tv revenues should hopefully be enough to get us to middle of the pack in an increasing cap world. Smart cost efficient contracts should always be the goal though. Re-signing Ryan will be the true test to how committed to winning this org is going forward.

    • Sandy

      So now players avoid Ottawa to sign in Edmonton?

    • sprucesens

      he just REALLY wants to play there. lol

  • OleHeaveHoFlipperoooni

    Be nice to know if BM is in any way shape or form dangling Andy. Packaged with Spezza that would definitely net us a substantial return! And of course the possibility is always there for a 3 way

    • Hax

      I’m not sure if it should be Andy yet (though if we get Lehner signed then maybe) but I definitely agree that Murray should be looking to or at least open to adding to Spezza to get a bigger piece coming back.

      • OleHeaveHoFlipperoooni

        Back load a contract with The Lehner. .. 5 year 20 million. Or something like that

        2015 – 2.5 million
        2016 – 3 million
        2017 – 4 million
        2018 – 5 million
        2019 – 5.5 million

        Lehner is gonna be GREAT! Pay the man

        • Hax

          It’s a gamble but if I’m Murray I’d be willing to make a gamble like that. Assuming my “experts” agree that Lehner will be as good as I personally think he will be.

          • MethotToMyMadness

            Anderson will be a FA after this coming season, so you can bet your bottom dollar he will play some top notch hockey in 14-15, it’s always the case on a contract year. Maybe a trade could be pulled off before the deadline, but hard to make that happen to an FA. I think if it goes too far, Ottawa will have no hope of moving him as teams will wait for Free Agency.

            If the Sens plan on trading Andy, it should be now, but only if we know we are signing a replacement 1a/b type of guy to a short deal, like 2 years or something.

            When trading Spezza, add Anderson in the deal to sweeten the pot, depending on who the team is. Then go sign a guy like Hiller, so Lehner will have an experienced #1 to work with and share the load. I feel that we can’t just hand the keys over to Lehner, we need to make him work for it, and Hiller would give him some healthy competition in the regular season.

        • ill district

          remember how bad he was near the end of the season?

        • jimmyjohnson

          He won’t make that much on a 5 year contract.

        • sprucesens

          remove the last 2 years, and its not a horrible deal. even then, I’d make the 3rd year 3.5 max

  • Guest

    does TML move J.Reimer?

    • Sensnation

      Yes and somehow Vancouver is interested.

      • OleHeaveHoFlipperoooni

        And Calgary

      • ill district

        Calgary makes sense…

        -IMO Vancouver GM did tremendous damage before they finally fired him. Now they are stuck with a backup and an unproven nhl goalie, yes – reimer is better than the two, but it wouldn’t make much sense.

        • Sensnation

          Lack is only a season into his career and Markstrom probably could use more seasoning in the AHL. At 26 with 4 years of NHL experience Reimer could actually be their “veteran” 1b type to help the others along.

          I do agree though, Calgary makes more sense, the Vancouver rumour was a surprise. Gillis was the worst GM experiment I’ve seen in a while.

          • ill district

            Doubt Reimer wants the 1b position. He’s looking to be a starter in this league and he deserves it. Markstrom is due for some NHL starting time as he’s spent 4 years in the AHL. Lack could be that 1B, but does that impede the grown of Markstrom?

          • FistsofNeil25

            New GM in there now right? Maybe Benning isn’t high on either Markstrom or Lack.

          • Sensnation

            Would be tough for sure. Markstrom was supposed to be the only prospect goalie better than Lehner a few years back, though hasn’t progressed as well. Lack was always expected to be solid too.

    • clarkeinthedark

      Winnipeg.

  • Pasky

    I can see Andy being a deadline deal if we aren’t in the playoffs (all signs so far point to this). Apparently Tampa isn’t resigning Lindback and they won’t want to have Bishop go down again without a back up plan. Pittsburgh is another one. Although depending what happens during free agency they might take care of it now, but I don’t see Murray annointing Lehner as the #1 goalie in the middle of a contract negotiation cause your giving Lehner all the power if that’s the case.

    • Sensnation

      That’s also why they didn’t play him as much this year even after that hot streak. Hopefully the deal is longterm (5-8yrs) so that we can just let him play the amount his skill/results earn going forward.

    • jimmyjohnson

      Tampa has Vasilevski. My belief is that they’ll use him ala Tokarski, should anything happen to Bishop.

      Unlike this manufactured idea that the market is hurting Spezza’s value, I think the current state of the goalie market would hurt Anderson’s value. There’s a lot of names in play, not the least of which are Miller and Hiller.

  • Andrews theory

    St Louis scored a grand total of 1 Playoff goal against Chicago. I’m pretty confident that could have made the difference.

    I think Statsny is a more complete player but I dont think he can come close to matching Spezza offensively.
    St Louis already has an entire roster of two way players, what they need is an offensive game breaker they can send over the boards to make the other team pay for penalties etc.

    • MethotToMyMadness

      I agree with this statement, Spezza would make the St Louis Power Play beyond lethal. I believe they know this already, and are just trying to give the least amount possible.

      • Pasky

        Agree, which is probably why they want to kick the tires with Stastny. If they can sign him and keep Schwartz/Oshie/Tarasenko/Shattenkirk then its not bad for them. Spezza is a better option but Stastny lets them keep their depth and young skilled guys, so it’s prettyu much a catch 22. And it’s not like Stastny isn’t any good either.

        • PraiseAlfie11

          My God…are you actually saying that Spezza is actually BETTER than someone, or worth more than a first round pick?

          I’m so used to seeing “needs more than spezza alone” for anyone.

    • Sandy

      They can get Stastny without giving up anything except salary. They will probably offer 7M. Stastny is younger and doesn’t have an injury record..
      If he doesn’t stay with the Avs I see him in St Louis. Spezza will have to go somewhere else.

      • Andrews theory

        question is, is Statsny really an upgrade over Backes?
        they are very similar players imo

  • Sandy

    Chirp, do you believe Murray actually called JP Barry about bringing Alfie back?
    I would have liked to hear that conversation.

    • Hax

      I would expect that Murray still has an okay relationship with Alfie (maybe less so with Barry given other history there). Either way, I would guess that he made a call if only to start mending fences for down the line – I doubt Alfie really wants to come back and I doubt Murray really wants him (at least not until some other pieces fall into place).

      • Sandy

        Murray saw the lack of leadership on this team last season and I would bet he wants Alfie back.
        But the Melnyk factor and the bad blood with JP Barry probably would stop any reunion with the Sens.

        • Hax

          A one-year solution is not a solution. If he somehow sees a scenario where in one year Alfie can help elevate Karlsson or Turris or someone to take over then fine. But I actually personally think we should leave Alfie alone. Bringing him back is a step backwards I think. Unless it’s purely as a support player (i.e. we hit a homerun on the Spezza trade or other moves).

          • Sandy

            Maybe gets more tickets sold.

    • Voice Of Reason

      The only way I think Alfie comes back is if he is waiting to see what the Sens will look like after July 1st and he feels they are as good as the Wings. Oh! And of course BM reaches out to him and they both agree it would put an end to the saga if the two camps reunited one last time.

    • ProfessorPower

      screw getting Alfie back. Screw it. Why not throw money at Iginla Cammy Moulson..ect instead.

    • Lucretia

      #11 has already stated that if he comes back he wants to play in Detroit. Time to move on.

  • Andrews theory

    Joshua Ho Sang
    Sandy i believe you may have mentioned this kid the other day but let’s take a friggin gamble on this kid…
    good lord, worst case scenario he lights it up and pisses everyone off, you ship him out for assets.

    • Brock

      Why not. 85 points in 67 games. Kid seems pretty passionate about hockey. Give him a chance.

    • Sandy

      The reason I mentioned him is that the ‘experts’ expect him to fall into the 2nd round.
      Apparently the kid has great skill, but what I’m getting is his attitude and ego needs an adjustment.
      On a team with solid and strong leadership I think it may be worth a gamble. Some team will take a chance on him.

      • Dirk-Diggler

        I can see a team like LA take him if he’s available at 30 because he has the high end skill but a few question marks about attitude. They should take him though because they have enough guys that can develop his attitude the right way. I actually don’t think he falls past 20.

        I’d want Murray to trade up and take him. We don’t have a lot of picks this year so we may as well go for a home run instead of a few singles.

    • ProfessorPower

      Doubt he is available at 40. If we get a late first however there is a chance..I am hoping for Brendan Lemieux in the 2nd round.

      • peetypuck

        Yeah, I was thinking Claude’s son might be a good 2nd round pick too.

  • Max2166

    Shawn Simpson said on TSN 1200 that he thinks the Eastern Conference team is the Rangers.

    • Sandy

      Yost said it’s the Panthers.
      So it probably ends up being the Devils.
      The Rangers have 12 players signed for 47M. They need contracts for Brassard, Kreider, Zuccharello, Boyle, Pouliot & Moore plus they need to sign 2 maybe 3 Defensmen and they have 12M to do all that.
      Where the hell are they going to fit Spezza into that cap.

      • peetypuck

        Did you mean $22 million?

        • Sandy

          Whoops.. mistype..

  • esk

    Leader. “Spezza called Bennett”

    http://oilers.nhl.com/club/blogpost.htm?id=30152

  • Sandy

    DarrenDreger: Brisk day in the Boyle camp. At least 8 teams have made contact (Leafs incl). Meetings with Boyle’s agent, George Bazos scheduled for Thurs.

  • Sandy
    • Sensturion

      Yeah, I’m sorry but this whole “I can tell the coach what I think and how to coach a team if I want” attitude will not work with PMac.

      • Sandy

        That’s what I was thinking when I read it.
        PMac might take that from someone like Alfie, but definitely not a rookie.

      • Sandy

        Or how he likes the idea of P Kane partying in the offseason. Thinks it’s cool.
        But then again after his big episode a couple of seasons ago, P Kane has changed his ways a little bit.

        • aegiszx

          No he really hasnt lol… he’s just learned how to hide it better from the press, and party like a pro. I know guys in Buff that have partied with him, and from the stories they tell me, he still parties like he’s 18. I don’t think its as big as a deal as people make it out to be but yeah, P Kane like Emery, wouldnt last very long in quiet ol’ Ottawa.

      • Keregan

        Give him the Theon Greyjoy treament in that case. Slice his cock and see if is doing some attitude after that lol :P

    • Hax

      If we don’t get a first (i.e. if our first player comes at #40) maybe
      we look for the homerun risky choice. We’re in decent shape on
      mid-level prospects so why not shoot for the moon with this kid if he
      falls that far?

      He’s a punk kid and far from the only one around
      that age who’s attitude is due for a change. I’m sure there are plenty
      of veterans with great attitudes today that were cocky bastards before
      they got drafted.

    • Andrews theory

      I just don’t see the point in drafting a “safe” player in the second round given the prospects we already have. Our depth chart lacks elite skill, something this kid has. So you send him back to junior for another year, season him in the AHL under Richardson afterwards if he needs it.

      Reality is, they don’t like this kid because he has the persona of a football or basketball player instead of a humble hockey player

  • Sandy

    Another gem from Eklund:

    It sounds like we will be seeing a Spezza trade and a Kesler trade over the next 72 hours… nothing is definite, but among the many people i have talked to in the city as they arrive, that is the general consensus… Spezza and Chicago or Anaheim is being discussed, and Kesler is being discussed with the Leafs, Chicago, and Washington.

    He must put the Leafs in there to build up the comments. I don’t know why he can’t understand that Kesler does not want to play in Canada.

    • Brock

      Notice how he never has Florida “rumour”, and always has a Toronto “rumour”? Makes these up just to get a rise out of the big market teams. More fans = more comments. More comments = more money. Don’t give him any attention.

  • WolfInSheepsClothes

    To be taken with a grain of salt (as it is Eklund……..)

    Loui Eriksson may be available! Could you imagine for a top 6….

    Eriksson – ?????? – Ryan
    MacArthur – Turris – Stone

    What would we need to give up for Eriksson…?
    Bruins need cap space so.. picks? prospects?

    • ProfessorPower

      .?????….Zibanejad? And personally I think there are far better targets out there such as Kane and Neal. Not that I would be upset with Loui.

      • WolfInSheepsClothes

        Or better yet! Go really crazy!!!

        MacArthur – Turris – Ryan
        Eriksson – Zibanejad – Alfredsson

        • Sandy

          Eriksson is a good friend of EKs and Alfie is EKs mentor.

          That would be one happy #65.

          • WolfInSheepsClothes

            Happy EK65=Happy Ottawa Sens Fans!

      • Voice Of Reason

        I’m thinking BOS would want someone like Zack Smith or MacArthur… we’d need to add if they would even entertain the idea of being trading partners.

    • F5

      Eriksson had a down season and suffered a concussion. I wouldn’t give up too much for him but that’s just me

    • runningbear1974

      Phillips and Prince…

    • Aaron 2.0

      Wow. Eriksson would certainly be at the top of my wish list. He’s always been one of my favorite players. He’s very under-rated, IMO. Last year was a down year for him. And, he missed a good number of games. But, I wouldn’t be too worried about that. Boston might not be the greatest system for a guy like Eriksson. I think he’d look amazing in a Sens jersey. But, of course, I’d be flabbergasted to see him traded, and especially in division to Ottawa. One can dream though.

    • OleHeaveHoFlipperoooni

      Loui have been better here if we still had Alflee, its him and Eriksson that are good friends. Chiarelli was all but sure he had Alfredsson, I’m positive he made that trade to appease and entice Alfredsson to come to Boston.

  • EK65

    The Sens posted their draft prep video today. You can tell the guy they’re talking so poorly about (attitude and image wise) is Ho Sang. Don’t expect him to be on our team.

    http://video.senators.nhl.com/videocenter/

    • Spoons

      Too bad, he could be a steal early in the 2nd round. Scouts are unanimous about his personality. Can’t wait to hear him in interviews, I’m really curious.

    • WaitingSince92

      What makes you say that?

      Is it about the “he has no idea how much it’s hurting him” stuff? That’s possible, but there’s more than one guy in draft like who you can say that about. Also the footage is clearly edited a bunch and about different people, so you’re making a pretty big assumption.

      • EK65

        No, it’s really clear that Ho-Sang has the worst attitude in the draft and everyone knows it. Wouldn’t be surprised if it takes him until the 2nd round to get drafted. He REEKS of locker room cancer.

  • Spoons

    I got to get me a “??????” Sens jersey. It’s perfect for this time of year!

    • Keregan

      lol

    • jtf927

      this is awesome. i went and bought a new sens hat and car flag. i have been rocking that flag for the past 3 days.

  • JayRuN

    Cant wait for friday. Beers and the nhl draft!! Ill be shocked if spezza isnt traded in the next 2 days.

    • Sandy

      We are having wine and Big Rig pizza.

      • esk

        looool

      • FBP

        Tiki draft party for us. Shrimp tacos and Mai Tais. You’re all invited.

    • jtf927

      absolutely. with that tweet from mackenzie, i am actually expecting a deal soon. i would assume that if a first round pick is coming back the other way, the scouting staff would want a day to know at what position and who they should be looking to acquire.

  • Sandy

    That tweet by Nichols when reading the article said Tallon was thinking about getting a young forward who would be with the team for a long time.
    That’s not Spezza.

    • SensChirp

      I wonder if they might also look at Evander Kane

      • Sandy

        That makes sense Chirp.

    • Sensnation

      Agreed. And giving up two young d to do it, which would just leave the Sens with the exact same problem Florida currently has on D. Can only dress 6 as he said.

  • esk

    GO WILD. @Senators Ever wanted to ask an NHL GM a question? Here’s your chance! #Sens TV will be talking to Bryan Murray tomorrow ahead of Friday’s #NHLDraft.

    • Sandy

      Well the asst GM for the Wild was the former head scout of the Sens.

      • esk

        what? lol i meant like go nuts…ask a lot of questions haha

        • Sandy

          Sorry.. mistook that for Spezza to Minny.

  • jtf927

    Chirp, thanks for the tweets. breathing a bit of a sigh of relief after hearing that the offers have been improving and also that their is a timeline for the trade to occur.

    • FistsofNeil25

      I’m not breathing a sigh of relief yet. The offers have improved yes, but we don’t know how bad the offers were to start.

      • Sandy

        It all hinges on Stastny.

        • esk

          oilers searching for a center..you think stastny would go there? best scenario is if he went to a team that isnt competing for spezza..would create a bidding war for spezza

          • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

            Spezza to Edm….no chance

          • esk

            nono i was talking about Stastny

          • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

            OHHHH hahaha, I think it is probably just as unlikely as Spezza, Although every year I think that they have to start improving(it never happens though)

          • esk

            lol true..they do have a lot of talent and some $$. Just overpaid for nikitin.

          • Sandy

            Stastny won’t go to Edm neither will Spezza.
            I wonder if that’s the only team that steps up for Heatley and would he go there?

          • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

            Hahahaha that would be awesome. I am still fairly confident that wherever Spezza ends up Heatley will at least be given a tryout contract.

  • WaitingSince92

    Kinda wondering what the offers are like from Florida and if they’re better than say Anaheim or St Louis because of the east/west thing.

  • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

    2.7 mil for Cowen this year…then 3.7 the following year, we better hope to hell he improves immensely(or that someone else likes to gamble).

    • WaitingSince92

      He’s a good, maybe the best candidate for improvement we have, not necessarily because of his ceiling, but because of the disastrous low he hit this season.

      • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

        Hahaha, he can’t get worse can he?!?

        • Spoons

          Next year is a new season. I, for one, will be giving a chance to guys like Cowen, Greening and Condra before passing judgement. They all had a horrible year, let them learn from it.

          • Deadly

            Some fans can’t wait for the season to start crapping on every mistake.

          • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

            I don’t think Condra and Greening are that bad, if used in the proper role.

            Cowen, I am willing to give the benefit of the doubt that the injury and missing training camp was the main cause.

      • Sandy

        He was still rehabbing the hip injury.
        This offseason should be about total training.

  • esk

    lmao just saw this on twitter.@d_peddis “Melnyk is McMahon and the body builder is the #sens getting closer to salary cap floor.” http://img.pandawhale.com/86832-Vince-McMahon-bodybuilder-reac-632g.gif

    • FistsofNeil25

      Maybe Vince could buy the Sens and then hire the Rock and Steve Austin to run the team. That would be sick.

  • Sandy

    Bruce Garrioch @SunGarrioch · 4h

    The #Sens have tabled an offer to Michalek and there will be more discussions. Doesn’t stop him from seeing what’s out there. #NHL

    • Kumar

      Ottawa is going crazy on Michalek. Bryan should relax and let MIchalek find a new team. We can address on wingers from free agent markets.

      • Brock

        He had an off year. Everybody on Ottawa did. If they can sign him to a decent deal, I don’t see anything wrong with that. If he has a bounce back year, even better.

        • Sandy

          They do need some experience in the forward ranks

        • OleHeaveHoFlipperoooni

          No he didn’t. He’s damaged goods. A knee injury away from hanging them up or going to play in the K. Michalek has had an off year every year except his 35 goal year…. and he has Spezza to thank for that year. And Spezza won’t be around to spot him anymore. Bringing back Michalek would be fu…… foolish

  • Kumar

    Will Ottawa call on Stastny ?

    • Deadly

      Doubt it.

    • Spoons

      Of course they will, and Stastny will say NO. We’re not the NHL destination we once were.

      • Kumar

        As if Colorado is any better. They too are a budget team. At least we have Turris, Ryan and MacArthur to show for as top 6. He is from the province of Quebec.

        • Sandy

          He grew up in St Louis.

      • runningbear1974

        Ottawa has never been one of the hot destinations… We haven’t suddenly lost that… I think better to be realistic that we will never get most of the hot UFAs… Not because of Melnyk’s cheapness, but because there are better places… Florida, California… Way better than Ottawa…

        • Spoons

          We were once able to sign guys like Hasek and Gonchar. Last year, the team was so pesky that MacArthur had his agent call Murray instead of the other way around. Yes, we had our moments when Ottawa was a destination for players.

          • runningbear1974

            I agree about Hasek… We got him because we had a good team… He may have known the GM too though…
            Gonchar we offered a great contract for 3 years.. and we also got Kovalev… That’s it though…
            Is that true about MacArthur? If yes, that’s pretty cool… I like the sound of that… The way the sens played last year, it does make sense that no one wants in on that shit…

    • Sandy

      I’m more interested in the response from JP Barry, re: Alfie

      • runningbear1974

        I’m pretty sure Alfie has too much pride to come back…

  • Kumar

    Okay folks?
    What free agent players you will select replace Hemsky and Michalek?

    • Sandy

      Other than Stastny and maybe Grabovski — who’s out there.

    • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

      There isn’t a better option than michalek IMHO

      • FistsofNeil25

        Only guys out there that I can really think of are Grabovski and Vrbata. Everyone else either sucks our will get too much money.

        • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

          Even those two I suspect will be out of our range

          • FistsofNeil25

            Vrbata maybe but I doubt Grabo would be. I still don’t really like the idea of acquiring him though. Speaking of Grabo, did anyone catch the radio segment with Steve Simmons and Tyler Dellow today on tsn radio?

    • runningbear1974

      Can we get one of our defencemen to play forward? That could solve some problems…

    • Brock

      Michalek.

    • OleHeaveHoFlipperoooni

      Jussi Jokinen

  • Sandy

    Chirp, who’s saying the offers have improved?

  • FistsofNeil25

    According to Brucey, Florida, St Louis, Anaheim and Phoenix were the four teams to call on Spezza and there may have been a fifth team.

    • OleHeaveHoFlipperoooni

      Chicago or Tampa

  • SensChirp

    To recap- STL, ANA, DAL, PHX, NAS, COL, CHI, FLA, NYR, TB, CGY,EDM and NYI have all apparently shown interest in Jason Spezza at some point. Does this count as a bidding war yet?

    • Kumar

      Only STL, ANA & DAL are legit chances.
      Spezza needs waive to make a deal with CGY, NAS, FLA,COL, NYI and PHX
      Highly unlikely Rangers & Tampa

      • FistsofNeil25

        Colorado and Phoenix are not on his no trade list.

        • Kumar

          Good to know. Phoneix have players might interest us.

        • Sandy

          Does Colorado only come calling if they lose Stastny.
          Who would we want, realistically.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Colorado doesn’t have much to offer. They have like like 6 or 7 great core guys and then thy rest are nothing to get excited about. Their prospect pool is below average and beyond Duchene, Landeskog, O’Reilly, MacKinnon, McGinn, Johnson and Barrie they don’t have a whole lot.

            I don’t think Colorado makes for a good trading partner. They would probably try to send us Parenteau + 23rd + a prospect and there’s nothing there that would entice Murray.

          • runningbear1974

            Could we get (Parenteau + 23rd + a prospect) for Cowen and Phillips?

          • Jakester

            That would be nice, Cowen, I ‘d bail on him now.

          • Spinorama

            Ouch I would cry and convert to a leafs fan… thats bad !!!!

          • FistsofNeil25

            It’s kind of similar to the St Louis situation. Both teams have a very impressive core of players that are practically untouchable. Neither organization has many good prospects to choose from and their roster players that are part of a supporting cast are extremely underwhelming.

    • Keregan

      the yotes got more pieces that i want

    • Brock

      Hoping he goes to Chicago.

      • Kumar

        Chicago first choice is Kesler, but they will settle for point per game guy. I believe adding Spezza to Chicago will make them instant favourites. Kane will love to have him as a the 2nd line center.

        • Sandy

          Would Vanc trade Kesler to their hated rival.
          That’s akin to the Sens trading Spezza to the Leafs.

          • Kumar

            True. All I am hearing that Kesel has only 6 teams of interest, where Anaheim and Chicago are part of it. He might also like Penguins and Flyers (I guess);

      • FistsofNeil25

        There’s no way they can fit his cap hit in there unless they dump a guy like Bickell. Stan Bowman informed Patrick Sharp’s agent today there they aren’t trading him under any circumstances.

        Can you imagine that top six though?

        Hossa-Toews-Sharp
        Saad-Spezza-Kane

        May as well just hand them the cup now if that happens.

        • Kumar

          If no Sharp, then I will only look to add Saad and Shaw. Bickell is overpaid and he is a bottom 6 guy and I will go after Berglund, instead of him.

    • Sandy

      My hope is Phoenix. Hell maybe they sign Milan as well and re-unite the two.
      A roster player and a prospect that must be Henrik Samuelsson + their 12th in this draft.

    • Kumar

      My personal from the lists are Coyotes, St. Louis and Chicago in the West
      Florida and Rangers from East.
      These are based on players we can grab to make our team successful.

    • sens88

      Not even sure who Phoenix could offer other than Yandle since OEL is untouchable. Samuelsson? Domi? That is one old looking roster, and one sad looking prospect pool…

      • Keregan

        Boedker Gormerley

        • sens88

          It’s funny, Gormley isn’t listed on their main roster or “future coyotes” roster unless you explicitly search for him.

          Boedker is an option for sure, but I wouldn’t be super excited.

          • Keregan

            add their 1st and it’s way better than Berglund Rattie and 1st imo

          • Spinorama

            To sens88: Hanzal , 12th + doesnt get u excited ? Do u even watch hockey?

          • Keregan

            i do but why do you bring Hanzal in this ?? My point is i think the yotes can offer us a better package than the blues.

          • Spinorama

            I agree with you big bird. I pressed reply on your comment instead of sens88. Hanzal is the type of player murray wants in return plus a first. Typical power forward.

          • Keregan

            i have to admit he his a big man but can he score

          • Spinorama

            He scores enough. Only 27. Improving every year. Put him beside zibby and bobby…I think hell get his points. I dont care if he only scores 15 goals as long as they are game winners.

          • thepez

            Plus Hanzal is signed for three more years at a cap hit of 3.1 million which is in line with the budget. Getting Hanzal may secure Michalek. Fellow Czech May add a jump to Milo’s step. Long shot but might also convince Hemsky to stick around for an all Czech line. Lots of ifs but one never knows

          • Spinorama

            Bingo !!! Also that 22yr old czech ufa jiri sekac … or something lol

          • peetypuck

            No, we don’t want three Czechs on the team. I’d rather we don’t have any. They seem to be the worst for being injured a lot. ie Michalek, Hemsky, Havlat.

          • sens88

            Nope doesn’t get me excited. Can’t say that I spend a ton of my time watching the Coyotes play…

          • Keregan

            as a sens fan from qc nor do i

          • FistsofNeil25

            The only problem with Hanzal is his injury history. He missed 17 games this year, 9 last year, 18 the year before that and 21 four seasons ago.

            Over the last four seasons he’s only played 77% of Phoenix’s regular season games.To put that in to perspective, Michalek has played in 84% of Ottawa’s games in the last four seasons.

            We’re talking about adding another player who misses a lot of hockey due to injury. I’m not all excited about that idea myself. I like the player and all, but I don’t know if he’s the ideal target.

            I would much prefer a guy like Boedker if at all possible.

          • Spinorama

            Like simmer says on1200. Better to have a guy who plays 65 games the right way then a loaf who plays 82 games. Hanzal lead team in hits and plays pp. We play boston 7 times… we need big and fast with an edge.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Hanzal is big but not exactly fast. You want speed then Boedker is your guy.

            I definitely wouldn’t be opposed to Hanzal though. The thing is if we acquire a center in the Spezza deal and strike our on Michalek, who’s going to fill out our wing positions?

            For the record though we only played Boston four times this year and we split the season series with them. I think we play them 5 times this upcoming season.

          • Spinorama

            Point is u have to go thru boston at some point. Wouldnt it be nice to have hanzal line up next to lucic at the face off dot?

          • FistsofNeil25

            Maybe we re-sign Michalek, acquire Hanzal for Spezza, then sign Vrbata and have our own Czech mate line?

          • Spinorama

            Haha now your talking. Vrbata in hull was a stud with spadafora and ryder I beleive… ah man drawing a blank here.

          • Sandy

            Substitute Samuelsson for the 12th overall as he will be better than anyone drafted 12th in this draft.
            BTW. it’s now Arizona Coyotes. They would have a deal on that one.

          • Sandy

            On capgeek he is listed on their main roster.

            For me it’s Samuelsson all the way. Gotta keep Rock Star happy.

          • Jakester

            Gormley seems to have stopped progressing, would be weary about picking him up. Samuelsson would be a nice pickup for our forward ranks. Big and works his ass off.

        • FistsofNeil25

          Boedker would be an excellent pick up but I think Phoenix would want him and Spezza playing together.

          I’d gladly take Boedker and Samuelsson for Spezza and a small +

      • Andrews theory

        Coyotes have a shit ton of young defenseman

        Pretty sure they could offer up an attractive package

        I’d take Yandle though in a heart beat

        Everyone is so focused on a top 6, reality is you take the best asset regardless of need then deal again from a position of strength.

        That’s what should’ve happened with our goalie situation :-(

        • sens88

          We have a bunch of young D-men already which is the problem. It just seems like Murray is focused on a forward…

          • Jakester

            A couple of really good forwards would set us up nicely. Our D will rebound, if we could move Cowen and a couple of prospects for a really good LDman would be a bonus to make everything gel.

          • Andrews theory

            Ya I get that, just sayin if you have the option of Berglund or a future #2, you take the defender regardless of your depth in that area

      • clarkeinthedark

        Vermette, Samuelsson or Domi and their first?

    • Max2166

      Thanks for the information Chirp. It will be very interesting to see what happens in the next few days

    • Sandy

      I would assume you could take out Cgy, Edm & NYI from that list. The rest? Lots there but how serious are most of them?

  • FistsofNeil25

    The Canucks have apparently reached out to Ryan Miller today. I guess they don’t really plan to rebuild after all.

    • Sandy

      Well that would put him on the West Coast.. just a little too far north for his liking.

  • Mat

    I wonder what McKenzie is doing while I’m frantically refreshing my twitter feed? Now?? Any news?? No? How about now?? Got news now???

    *He’s folding laundry and watching Jeopardy..

    • Brock

      You should get TweetDeck. Automatically scrolls when someone tweets. Really useful. No refreshing required.

  • A-Train

    Gone for 9 hours and all I get is a McKenzie tweet? Not cool.

    Sounds like we’re ramping up to a good finish here. Not gonna lie: I have draft night booked off 100%, then it’s a busy few days followed by some time away from a solid Internet connection.

    So basically saying…this needs to get done before the draft, or I’m in trouble.

  • Sandy

    Retweeted by Steve Lloyd
    Mark Lazerus @MarkLazerus · 30m

    #Blackhawks winger Patrick Sharp’s agent: “He’s the last guy that would be traded.” Sun-Times: http://bit.ly/1nICVdX
    ======

    Retweeted by Steve Lloyd
    Mark Lazerus @MarkLazerus · 1h

    Rick Curran on Sharp rumors: “As far as I’m concerned, the whole thing’s a fabrication from a puke out of Toronto trying to make headlines.”

    • Sensturion

      SHOTS FIRED

    • FistsofNeil25

      Did anyone over at TSN report that Sharp is available? I’m pretty sure I only saw it from Sportsnet guys.

      • Sandy

        There’s been so much flying around I don’t know who put what out there and when they did.

      • Sandy

        I checked MacKenzie, Dreger, Kypreos, Shannon & LeBrun back to mid-June, Can’t see any mention of Sharp.

        I don’t know where it came from.

        • Sens-fan-in-mtl

          puke = Nick Kypreos, that’s the source.

    • peetypuck

      If you ask me there are a whole lot of pukes out of Toronto trying to make headlines.

  • Sensturion

    4.5 million a year for Nikitin?! Holy hell Edmonton!

    • Sandy

      Contracts like that are used as a comparison by other players. Some GMs just screw the rest over by doing stupid contracts.

  • Tony

    Water cooler talk in Edmonton’s Rexall Place…

    The Oil are ready to offer:
    Sam Gagner
    Nail Yakupov
    Phiip Larsen

    for

    Jason Spezza
    Jared Cowen
    Rights to Michalek (Conditional pick if not signed)
    pick (or Smith)

    MacT believed to have spoken with Spezza today, but rumoured not to have gone well as he was heard cursing from his office. Seems the GM is getting pissed at not being able to get some top end talent to come to Edmonton.

    • thepez

      I really think that trading Cowen would be a mistake. He finally had an off season to train rather than rehab an injury. Let’s show a bit of patience and give him this year to show what he can or can’t do. There will always be a market for a guy of his size and potential

      • peetypuck

        Chara didn’t start looking like a player until he was 24 or 25.

        • thepez

          Exactly. Leave Cowen with Ek65 all year, Methot with Pw46 and mix in Phillips, Gryba and Borocop . Sending Ceci to bingo does not hurt him at all. Eventually trades will have to happen to open spot for him.

          • Harv

            Like that plan/

          • peetypuck

            I would not be surprised if Murray packages a defenceman (or two) with Spezza in a trade. Especially if he gets a top 3 d-man back.

          • thepez

            Then it won’t be Edmonton.

          • peetypuck

            I’m hoping it’s to Florida for Gudbranson and the #1 pick. I’ve been hoping Murray grabs the #1-2014 pick and then goes for the McDavid sweepstakes. If we got one of the top 3 picks in 2015 the team would be set for years. Rebuild would be over.

          • Jakester

            Getting Sam Reinhart to go with TUrris and Zibby would be lights out.

          • peetypuck

            I’d be happy with whomever Murray chose.

          • Jakester

            Methot and PW are both left hand shots. Ceci is staying up.

          • thepez

            They are NHL dmen they should and can play on either side. If the can’t then they don’t belong in the league

          • Jakester

            Not many guys like playing D on the offside.

          • runningbear1974

            They should be able to, but they’re not good at it… We have to train all our players to be versatile… Centers need to be able to play wing… Defense have to switch sides… Maybe have a defense play forward… Everyone get time on powerplay to see what element they bring… Stuff like that… We are not a strong team… Yet… Need to focus on development… Karlsson has to do defense, he has to learn to compensate for his partners, he has to learn to moderate his attacks, make better decisions… We have a lot of growing up to do as a team… We need our core to become solid veterans… Not 1 dimensional veterans like we have now… We can’t just throw on band aid solutions…

          • Jakester

            Plus Cowen and Karlsson was a disaster. Poor Karl will have to be put in a straight jacket if he’s forced to play with that buffoon again. Cowen is going to be moved.

        • runningbear1974

          He didn’t start looking like a good player until 30… It took him a long time to get good…

          • peetypuck

            Actually, he was a runner-up for the Norris trophy when he was 27-28 and still with the Sens. I find the Toronto media played down Chara until he went to Boston. Then he was the greatest thing since sliced bread.

          • runningbear1974

            I don’t actually remember… I do remember thinking he made lots of stupid decisions… I still think he does now… But, he’s very strong… And he beat up everybody and earned a reputation, even with the refs… And, only after establishing himself as a physical dominating presence did he actually become a good defenseman…

          • peetypuck

            Do you remember when he threw McCabe across the ice? That shut the Leafs up for a while.

          • runningbear1974

            Oh yeah, was that the night he was shaking him a la rag-doll? That was something…

          • peetypuck

            That was the night. I couldn’t stop laughing for about a week.

        • Jakester

          Well they have that in common than , because Cowen doesn’t look like a player also. He sure as hell looks like Jerry Seinfeld though!

      • Tony

        I’m with you on that… Im still confident that he’s the real deal… my opinion is that Edmonton is trying to capitalize on getting him on the cheap

        • thepez

          If they want Spezza and Cowen then they better give Eberle plus a prospect and their #1 pick. They can keep Yak as he is trouble.

      • runningbear1974

        I think our really important defense are Ceci and Karlsson…

        • Jakester

          I agree , Cowen can barely skate. He’s looking expendable, I’d do it before he’s really exposed as a liability. Then we’re Foooooked!

          • runningbear1974

            Yeah, tight squeeze with him… I think next year 2.7mil… Can he play that good? and then the following year 3.7, can he play that good? Cutting it real close…

          • Jakester

            Has never really showed me much to get excited about. He’s big YAY!

          • thepez

            I know we disagree but he showed quite a bit his rookie year. Anyways time will tell how good he will or won’t be. Just remember all the young guys teams get rid of way too early that end up as studs later on. Patience is hard when the goal is to win right now.

          • Jakester

            I respect your opinion dude.

          • runningbear1974

            I’m willing to respect different opinions… But, no i don’t think he did well his rookie year (for a rookie defensemen he did ok)… I know most people say he did, but no, he was the one that made key bad decisions, where big important goals were going in… Gryba, in my opinion, had a much better rookie year… The types of mistakes Gryba made was falling down… Whereas Cowen would get completely mentally lost and make really bad decisions…
            If we had a solid veteran team like Boston, or LA, then yeah, bring in Cowen, and let him figure it out… But, as a core, Cowen is way to shaky to depend on, and who knows how long for him to become dependable, could be 10 years… He needs a lot of attention for his development… Can’t have too many players like that at the same time…

    • sens88

      No no no

    • FistsofNeil25

      That sounds like a lot of b/s to me.

    • FistsofNeil25

      Philip Larsen left Edmonton and signed a deal in the KHL at the end of May. I don’t think Murray has any interest in adding a small, selfish player like Yakupov, a small overpaid center, and the rights to a 24 year old defenseman who just bolted to Russia.

      • Tony

        Hmmm… you’re right. I’ll have to call my inlaw on that. Surprised he f’d up like that. Nice catch!

        • sens88

          If you’re going to lie, at least lie well dude!

          • Tony

            lol wish I was lie’n but I still look like a fool for not verifying what he said

      • Tony

        Spoke with him… He explained to me that it would be for his rights (Sens would have to qualify him for just over 1M or so) so it would be a Nikita Filatov deja vu scenario… That said, no freaking way

    • sprucesens

      that’s a pretty steep offer towards the oilers. I’d give all 4 pieces on our end, if it was eberle and nuge coming back. but that’s just as crazy as it sounds

    • Sandy

      Don’t want Yakupov. Doesn’t seem to be the 200 ft player that the team wants.
      Now Eberle, that’s the guy but I doubt he’s available.

      • FistsofNeil25

        Eberle isn’t even close to being a 200-footer either though.

        • Sandy

          No but he’s clutch. I think the Oilers rushed those young guys. That’s going to hurt them more than help them.

          • A-Train

            So what’s your take on Lazar next season….?

          • runningbear1974

            Last year, we were supposed to win the east… But we played like shit…
            Next year, we absolutely need to focus on development, like 2 years ago… If we do that, then Lazar coming in will be fine…
            .

    • I’m just sayin’

      Last Trade Deadline there was someone posting here who claimed to
      be giving us “scoops” because he was a Senator employee working near BM.

      Hope you’re not that guy.

      • Tony

        Nope former Edmonton resident… I have a brother inlaw and a buddy who work at Rexall place. I try to hold off posting Edmonton rumours until I hear the same rumour from both… have to admit I only heard this one from one source and I jumped the gun… lol

        • I’m just sayin’

          no worries then – that Trade Deadline guy made a lot of enemies here

    • F5

      I wouldn’t touch this deal with a ten foot pole if I was Murray

      • Andrews theory

        Puffy I’d sign that deal right now

    • I’m just sayin’

      Yakupov = Rooskie – not Eugene’s favourite nationality these days

    • OleHeaveHoFlipperoooni

      Definitely intriguing. If Spezz would have waived, there could have been lots of tinkering and names thrown back and forth here.

  • A-Train

    I’m puzzled by this apparent desire of Murray’s to get 2014 first rounder back.

    - have the scouting staff identified another unheralded star in the making somewhere down the draft board?

    - is it a tactic to raise the quality of the offers?

    - does he think one of the top 3 picks are in play for a Spezza-centred package?

    Anyone have theories?

    • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

      My theory is that Melnyk knows anyone drafted this year will be cheap for a few extra seasons.

      • runningbear1974

        That’s funny… Murray wants first rounder because Melnyk is cheap… #MelnyksFault

    • Jakester

      Well, if he gets a pick between 6 and 12 then maybe he can package a couple of assets to get up to 3. Edmonton could use a Cowen and Smith plus whatever number pick we get. You never know.

      • Sandy

        I don’t want them to trade Smith and I don’t think Murray & McLean want him gone either.

        • Jakester

          Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz, Grant can replace Smith. Doesn’t show much jam anymore. Fires lame shots right into the goalies mid section and takes bonehead penalties.

        • runningbear1974

          This is controversial point… But, my belief is Smith is wasted as a 4th liner… Don’t feel like arguing this tonight, but i’ll bring it up again at some other point…
          I did also argue for playing Smith as a 2nd liner, with good wingers… To help insulate Zibanejad…
          I also really like the idea of Pageau as our 4th line center… That’s who i want to see in that spot…

          • Jakester

            I don’t see what offensive ability you see in Smith to ever make him more than a capable 4th liner????

      • A-Train

        Possibly. These are the deals I cook up in my head while I’m supposed to be doing something productive like teaching my kid to read. They never seem to happen in real life though. :(

        Edit: my kid still can’t read either :( :(

      • runningbear1974

        Smith, Cowen, and Prince for a good player…

    • WaitingSince92

      No need to be puzzled, my friend. My guess is it’s simple – Murray (ie Dorion and the scouts) draft really, really well. Either they have a target player that they’ll need a 1st round pick for, or they just realize the value of having a constant stream of prospects (if you draft well). I know this draft isn’t considered ‘deep’, but you can get great players in any draft, even with late picks (think Karlsson, Ceci at 15, Lazar at 17, Stone Smith, Gryba & Pageau much, much later).

      I kind of assume that because we’re good drafter, we usually have at least one prospect on our radar that most or all other teams have ranked much lower. Mostly just because we’ve done it in the past (remember the shock when Ceci was still available?)

      • A-Train

        Hence my first question. Maybe that’s it.

    • spezzerman

      Maybe he feels like it will be next to impossible to get anyone to give up their pick next year and since this year’s draft is considered weaker, teams may be willing to use their 1st round pick as a complimentary piece in a Spezza deal?

      Perhaps it’s as much expectation as it is desire.

      • A-Train

        I guess I partly feel like it’s a red herring. Saying you simply must have a first round draft pick as well …. maybe he really wants a great roster player and is willing to “give up” the first rounder….if he can get player X.

        • peetypuck

          You mean reverse psychology? Ask for a draft pick when you really want a roster player?

    • runningbear1974

      Because we always draft well in the first round… We always get a really good player…

      • A-Train

        True, this current staff has a good record. My feeling is Murray should be focussing on more top-end talent. So I’ve never been thrilled with the idea of “roster player, prospect, pick” because I think we’re going to most likely end up with a package of middling talent.

        Hoping he at least tries to swing for the fences…

        • runningbear1974

          I’m hoping Murray is using this opportunity to talk to lots of GMs about lots of players and possibilities… We could use other assets to get a 1st round pick… Need a team with the right amount of desperation…
          I agree about the ‘roster player’, because not sure what that means… If low end player, then prefer a draft pick… Don’t need middle talent… Can always grab one of those as a UFA…

    • peetypuck

      Any teams that are hoping to contend next year will not want to give up quality players from their roster. It’s a lot easier to pry a prospect and/or draft pick from these teams. Addition without subtraction.

  • clarkeinthedark

    Would love to work at trade with the Panthers that involved Bjugstad. Watching this kid play you know he is going to be fantastic. I think BM could make a deal work that looked something like Bjugstad and Campbell or Kulikov for Spez.

    • Sandy

      Would the Panthers ‘do’ the Sens a favour and take back some of Campbell’s salary just to get rid of Campbell?

      • FistsofNeil25

        Why would they want to get rid of Campbell though? He’s still their best defenseman by a long shot.

        • Jakester

          Exactly.

          • KJ

            Well BM was interested in Campbell before he signed with the Panthers. But I believe that ship has sailed.

        • peetypuck

          I heard that he wants to be traded somewhere else.

          • Sandy

            That’s why I mentioned it..

          • FistsofNeil25

            Is being traded to Ottawa that much better than remaining with Florida at this point? They both have about the same potential in the next couple seasons.

            Ottawa shouldn’t look to have that much of their payroll eaten up by another defenseman.

          • peetypuck

            I haven’t heard that Murray is even interested in Campbell.

      • clarkeinthedark

        I think it could happen. He wants out of there though

    • Jakester

      Bjugstad might be another a Greening.

      • OleHeaveHoFlipperoooni

        Highly doubt it

      • clarkeinthedark

        I hope you’re kidding

    • Kumar

      I will take Bjugstad, Campbell and top pick for Spezza, Cowen, Prince and our 2nd.

      Or Simply Spezza for Bjugstad and top pick

      • F5

        Why would the Sens want Campbell???

        • Kumar

          Dump some salary back in Cowen and draft Ekblad.

      • clarkeinthedark

        That would be ideal

      • Andrews theory

        Clearly awesome but also not gonna happen

        Spezza wouldn’t get you the top pick on its own unfortunately

  • OleHeaveHoFlipperoooni

    I said it from the start…. A bidding war of a sorts WILL occur. There will be more than one or 2 great deals to choose from. Can’t wait!!!

    • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

      I’ve been saying it all along but I still think Dallas plays a major role in this

      • OleHeaveHoFlipperoooni

        Least I’m not the only one

      • Andrews theory

        Ya I’ve been promoting Spezza for chaisson for some time along with pick and prospect, Greening thrown in as Dallas has been keen on him for a while

        • Tooks

          Why get a 3rd liner in Chiasson when you can get 2nd liners in STL and ANA.

    • peetypuck

      I wonder if Murray leaked the STL offer so other teams would see how poor it is. That’s baiting the hook to get other teams interested in making a better offer. Next thing there is a bidding war.

      • OleHeaveHoFlipperoooni

        OR he let it get leaked. Tactics that need to be done in times like this all things considered. An outcome that is of no surprise to me.

  • Kumar

    Bidding war will only happen if a team or two truly in bad shape or the teams window is closing soon.
    Florida, Coyotes and Nashville are in bad shape and will love to address a star forward.
    St. Louis wants to win and they might be the other.
    Now with Stastny name is out there teams are little reluctant. Once teams get an idea that Stastny is taken, Jason’s value will sky rocket.
    Bryan might sit tight, but he will love to get a pick in the 1st round.

  • Frankie Fives

    I’m going to bed and I know for a fact I’ll be dreaming of all the different trade scenarios I’ve been reading for weeks!

    • Spoons

      HOW CAN YOU SLEEP AT A TIME LIKE THIS!?!? THE TRADE CAN HAPPEN ANY TIME NOW!!! YOU SNOOZE YOU LOOSE…. BRB, GOT TO MAKE MORE COFFEE.

  • PaulMacLeansDuster

    A Spezza deal I would be happy with – Spezza for Drouin 1 for 1.
    Why the Sens would do it – Obviously Drouin has the potential to be a dominant player.
    Why Tampa would do it – Drouin has never played an NHL game. Spezza centring Stamkos would be frightening.

    • Doc

      Lol…………. wait what?

      • PaulMacLeansDuster

        I assume you’re in the “Spezza is an injury prone, one dimensional has been camp”? There’s no arguing with that. Only time will tell us what kind of return we get for Spezza.

        • Doc

          Not really, I’m more in the “No chance in hell they trade a future superstar for a 31 year old on his last year of contract” camp.

    • Spoons

      Spezza centering Stamkos? How do you center a center? I believe neither Stamkos or Spezza have ever played wing in the NHL.

      • PaulMacLeansDuster

        Stamkos used to play right wing on a line with Lecavalier and played some right wing last season. Spezza would compliment his game. Think of a better Dany Heatley.

        • Tooks

          Never would I trade Drouin for Spezza, wow…

  • Wunderboy16

    Here’s an idea: the sens, knowing that they aren’t going to be able to compete with the current internal budget as it is for some time, are getting ready to set themselves to tank next season and have a shot at McDavid or Eichel. Along with the young player/prospect/draft pick that they may get in the Spezza trade this sets them up to be a dominate team in the future (as long as the team finances improve or else they won’t be able to keep their players who will need new contracts by that time).

    • whammer44

      Problem with this is I don’t think Melnyk has the stomach or wallet for this. Attendance would plunge this year if we are out of it by xmas.
      Also the Ryans, MacArthurs, etc likely won’t be interested in resigning for a rebuild.

      • Sandy

        If Ryan doesn’t sign they will be forced to trade him as well.
        My only problem is how the hell is this team going to get to the cap floor.

    • Pasky

      The Sens can be terrible next season, but there’s gonna be worse teams then us out there for sure. Buffalo and Islanders are almost locks to suck more in the East. Calgary and Vancouver will probably still be near the bottom. I think Edmonton will improve from last year, but people have been saying that for 3 years straight so who the hell knows.

      My point is I think we would have to rely on winning the lottery to get one of those 2 picks which is a risky game.

  • Max2166

    Nick Kypreos said on Sportsnet last night, that Bryan Murray will not get very much in return for Jason Spezza. I hope that is not true.

    • Sensturion

      He was also adamant about the Laffs making a long run in the playoffs this year. Oops…

      • Max2166

        That is true. Instead of working at Sportsnet, he should work for the Laffs.

    • Hax

      That’s great news. I Kypper says it, it’s usually WRONG.

      • Max2166

        That is true. I will go with what with Dreger and Mackenzie say on TSN.

        • Tooks

          They’ve said the same thing, we wont get full value for Spezza.

      • whammer44

        Agreed. Why Sportsnet keeps rolling that plug out there I’ll never understand.

        • Sandy

          We have 12 yrs of that to look forward to and also possibly Glenn Healey.

          What a pair.

    • Harv

      If Kypreos says it – take it to the bank!

      Drop it in the river and let it float away.

      What a bozo!

      • Max2166

        Well said. He is a clown!

    • Tooks

      We already know this, its nothing new.

    • Sandy

      BTW heard on the radio this morning that it was Kypreos who had the Sharp being traded.
      Sharp’s agent Curran wasn’t too pleased. I believe Curran is also the agent for Spezza. It used to be Bobby Orr at one time, don’t know when it changed.

      • CUP 2014-15

        Still is Bobby, there was a funny story last year when Orr showed up at Scotia Bank looking for Gryba and nobody believed him and thought it was a joke. The article went on to mention he was Spezza’s agent.

      • FistsofNeil25

        Pretty sure Curran and Orr work together.

        • CUP 2014-15

          That would explain it.

  • Dirk-Diggler

    Is today the day Spezza gets traded?

    • FBP

      Hope so, but I feel like it’s going to happen just before the draft. I feel like it’s getting to the point where even if the trade is made, they might save the announcement for the draft.

    • SensChirp

      I think today is the day where Murray tells each team what it would take to get a deal done.

      • Tooks

        And the Blues balk and say “We’ll sign him next year then” :)

        • whammer44

          or not.

  • Pasky

    For what it’s worth, this is from another insider on the Yost forums, Cup 06. I only post it because I remember him mentioning this about Alfie to Detroit, and the Bobby Ryan trade before hearing it from actual insiders, but again take it for what it’s worth.

    “Hey guys, been tied up all day.

    Some quick hits:

    Sens contacted about Stastny, not a great alchance he comes here. It was more of a feeling out to see what he wants and to get a feel as to where he will go. Obviously this info helps them in selling Spezza.

    Ironically if Stastny goes to STL then the Avs become a big time player for Spezza. I’ve been told it could go as far as a multiple player deal with the Sens adding a defencemen.

    The Rangers( the only post I mentioned earlier) will continue to be a player throughout the day and have really helped drive the price up. These teams really should have completed the Healtley trade a few years back but Murray and Sather got into a game of high stakes chicken. I’m sure Bryan will be more wary this time.

    Flyers tried to unload Lecavalier but the Sens were not interested

    The Blues are dragging their feet, they know what it’ll take to get the deal done and know it doesn’t involve Berglund.

    Luongo may be used to recruit Spezza to waive his NTC. Tallon really wants to take a big step next year.

    Michalek is getting interest from the Oilers,Sharks and Yotes. Whatever team acquires Spezza will look at him as well.

    Sens are definetly a player in the Niskanen sweepstakes. The thought is he will get at least 5 mil per on a long term deal.

    Tomorrow is another posturing day. I’d be shocked if Spezza was moved. I think late afternoon Friday is when Murray will receive his best offer.”

    • Frankie Fives

      I sure hope this is true. If the Rangers are in play, the price will for sure go up. Sather is a bonehead lol

      • Pasky

        My thought exactly. I thought they would be going for Thorton but if it’s true that he refuses to waive at all, then Spezza is making sense for them.

    • whammer44

      All of this seems believable.

    • SensChirp

      Lots of good stuff there. I haven’t specifically heard the Rangers but others have mentioned them as an option and they make sense.

      Nice to see someone else finally on the Colorado bandwagon.

      Don’t know a lot about his track record but most things in there make sense. Really don’t think Ottawa is a player on Niskanen though.

      • FistsofNeil25

        Think we’ll be a player in any free agent defensemen?

        • SensChirp

          Not a high price one. And not unless they can move somebody out in a trade.

          • Pasky

            Have you herad anything about what they plan to do with Ceci? Signing Gryba gives them 7 1-way contracts and I doubt they keep 2 Ds in the pressbox every night. But since he’s a RHD he should have an edge for a spot behind Karlsson.

          • Tooks

            IMO 1 or 2 of our D’s will be packaged with Spezza or traded individually.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Well we shouldn’t be surprised if they move somebody out at this point anyway right? I doubt they carry 8 defensemen next season, The alternatives are that they trade a guy or send Ceci to the minors.

          • WaitingSince92

            Disheartening. Very, very few bargain top 4 D in the NHL. Low salary top 4 is almost a paradox.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Edmonton made sure that there wouldn’t be any bargain top four defenseman yesterday when they signed a #5 defenseman like Nikitin to 4.5M per year.

          • whammer44

            A possible interesting option is Joni Pitkanen. I’m not sure how his heel injury rehab has gone, but if he’s medically fit he could be a good fit…it is a big if mind you.

      • whammer44

        Whether Niskanen is listening is the question. Everything makes sense for taking a run at him. They have the cap space, he’s at the right age and he is trending in the right direction. I would roll the dice on him.

        • Tooks

          Makes sense for us sure, we are in dire need for a top 4 D, but this makes no sense whatsoever for Niskanen. He wouldnt come here even if we gave him the most $$$.

          • whammer44

            Right thats the question. Sens might have to overpay on term but I would still take a shot.

      • WaitingSince92

        not sure what Colorado would even offer. Seems like they have loads of young talent, but seems like it’s all “untouchable” if they want to keep building up their franchise (ie MacK, Barrie, Land, Duch etc)

      • OleHeaveHoFlipperoooni

        Got to be ROR!

        • Doc

          One can dream.

    • WaitingSince92

      That’s NOT irony. Sorry, I just have to do this every time. Can’t help it!

  • whammer44

    I love the smell of napalm in the morning…lets blow this trade up now!

    • Tooks

      Dont see why it would happen today, with little to no developpment yesterday. Until we start hearing names you know this trade is not close to being done.

      • whammer44

        Don’t think it will happen either…just way past ready for it to happen

      • SensChirp

        I think there was actually significant movement yesterday. Doesn’t mean it gets done today but definitely closer to a resolution than we were on Monday.

        • Tooks

          MacKenzie saying teams are interested aint movement, we knew 4-5 teams were interested. As far as I can tell, no offers were made yesterday. I want a deal too but lets not exaggerate…

          Usually when you start hearing names or details of possible returns, thats when it happens.

          • SensChirp

            Specific offers are rarely leaked in full detail. I was told offers “improved”. I consider that movement.

          • Tooks

            Well then please share? What improved?

          • FistsofNeil25

            You’re in one of the moods today aren’t ya?

          • Doc

            That’s his happy mood!

          • Tooks

            What mood is that? Logical mood?

          • runningbear1974

            You know… A mood where you don’t even bother trying to understand what the other person is saying… You’re right Fistofneil was saying that you are in a logical mood today… Good job at empathy.,.

  • Cicero

    I’ve been away and missed all the hubbub, but a week ago I dreamt that Spezza was traded for Couture. lol

  • Doc

    Yawn…

    • Tooks

      *Slaps Doc silly*

      Wake up!

      • Doc

        Sgonna’ be a looooooong day.

  • CUP 2014-15

    Good morning all, Hope this is the day and the deal includes a 1st rounder. Still praying that this deal is with Arizona and that Henrik Samulesson is part of the package. GO SENS GO

    • EK65

      God it’s weird seeing Arizona. My mind immediately goes Arizona Cardinals? Diamondbacks?

      • CUP 2014-15

        LOL, I agree, I still start writing PH…Opps Ari.

  • FistsofNeil25

    So once this Spezza trade is finally done with, how long until we’re talking about Ryan trade rumors? I give it two weeks.

    • EK65

      I say if the package is interesting enough we can sell Ryan on staying. He’s expressed interest in staying and I think we’d be good to keep him.

      • Hax

        Conversely, if the package for Spezza is good enough we can justify trading Ryan if he doesn’t want to stay.

        Moot point IMO since I think the Spezza trade happens July 1st and I think/hope Ryan extends first thing July 1st.

        • FistsofNeil25

          We’ll see what happens but if Ryan doesn’t re-sign within the first couple weeks of July then that’s pretty telling of his intentions to stay long term.

          I have a gut feeling that though he may like it here, it probably isn’t his preferred destination to play out the prime years of his career.

          The Sens are no where close to contending with or without Ryan. Why would he want to spend his prime here when he could spend it somewhere that provides him with a chance to win?

          • Tooks

            I hope he re-signs for fans and team sake but, I agree 100%, its all about winning and he is in his prime, I bet when he signed on he wasnt expecting Alfie AND Spezza to jump ship the next 2 years, have the team completely fall apart, not to mention crazy Euge!

            Why the hell would Ryan want to stay.

          • FistsofNeil25

            I don’t even care if he signs. I don’t think it makes much sense for the team or the player. We aren’t going to be a contender for what, probably minimum 4 or 5 years? Do we think by that time Ryan is going to be as good of a player as he is today? I don’t think think so personally.

          • Tooks

            Well damn with that attitude, lets just trade anyone that makes us competitive. Ryan, Turris, CMac, lets just tank for 4-5 years and do a proper rebuild then, if its that pointless.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Not Turris. He’ll still be a stud by the time we’re ready to contend. What we have to understand here Tookie is if the return for Spezza doesn’t land us a player that can help now, and Bobby doesn’t want to sign, we will be going full scale rebuild… and you know what? It might be the best thing that could happen to this organization.

            We already have the cupboards stocked with a lot of good young players, but like you have said we’re missing this top end guys that will hold us back from ever contending. Imagine our prospect pool now but with the name McDavid headlining the group.

          • Keregan

            Then lets trade both of them to Philly for Giroux and Voracek :)

          • Hax

            I agree – I think even if there’s no announcement on July 1st that the odds of him staying drop close to zero. I’m fairly certain that Murray has already been working hard on that extension and it’s either already done informally or he already knows it won’t happen. If it’s the latter, he will still be trying of course.

          • runningbear1974

            It would suck so bad to lose Ryan… Finally getting a superstar, who scores, but also likes to hit and be hit, also likes to go to the front of the net…
            The sens have been plagued by peripheral superstars, who avoid body contact…

          • FistsofNeil25

            Well Bobby Ryan is no superstar. He’s a good player. He can be a star at times, but he’s no superstar.

            I just think the organization has to take a look at where we’re at right now. There’s a lot of building and developing to be done and by the time the rest of the team hits their prime there’s a very good chance that Ryan will be beyond his.

          • runningbear1974

            To me a player that regularly gets 35 goals a year, is superstar category…
            Ryan is my favourite skilled player to play for the sens… He’s the type of player we should be aiming to get… He fits with what i think our identity should be… So, i would keep him just for that…
            I was previously concerned about our leaders… I didn’t want them teaching our prospects how to behave in the league (i was done with the old sens and what i consider to be their poser ways)…Ryan is a guy i want our prospects to model themselves by… No more of these peripheral skilled players…
            My argument is to keep the players that play the style you support…

          • CUP 2014-15

            Could not agree more bear. He will be great for Peumple, Stone or Lasar for example

          • runningbear1974

            Totally agree… I want Ryan to be their mentor…

          • FistsofNeil25

            He’s not a superstar. Stamkos is a superstar. Tavares is a superstar. Kane is a superstar. Bobby Ryan is not in that category.

            If he’s a superstar then he will be paid like one. Are you prepared to pay him 8M if that’s the case?

          • runningbear1974

            That’s a tough one… But, yes i would pay Ryan 8 million… I would prefer the Karlsson contract… But, if Ryan said he would only play for us for 8 million, i might… I would have to understand why he needs that extra money… If Spezza is worth 7 million a year, then Ryan is worth more, in my opinion…
            I’m not too concerned about his label of ‘superstar’ … Some superstars are douchebags… I like him, i like the way he plays…

      • Sandy

        I think it all depends on the return. Ryan says he is and his fiancé like Ottawa and he appears to be good friends with EK.

        • Pasky

          Agree here, I think Melnyk and BM would be committing business suicide trading Ryan a year later. Contract gets signed right away regardless on cost.

          • Sandy

            I think he gets 7M for 6 yrs. I think MacArthur comes in around 5M for 5

        • Tooks

          Its a business Sandy, what he says can change in 1 day.

    • Jakester

      Come on Murray trade everybody! haha

    • Tooks

      LMAO, it wont be long, maybe give it a season or half season tho, maybe at the dealine, when we are sitting at 13th in the East?

      • FistsofNeil25

        Murray better trade him if he doesn’t show a willingness to sign this summer, or if he’s asking for a ridiculous amount of money.

      • Sandy

        According to MacGuire this morning, Ryan knows Philly really wants him so what chance would the Sens have to trade him anywhere else but Philly when they could wait 2 or 3 mos and sign him as a UFA.
        If Ryan won’t re-sign he has to go this summer.

        • Andrews theory

          I’d be looking for Brayden Schenn and Wayne Simmonds in the event he needs to be dealt

          • FistsofNeil25

            I think Simmonds is practically untouchable. He’s one of the premier powerforwards in the game. Schenn is a good start though.

          • Tooks

            Spezza gel’ed with Hemsky…It can be overlooked.

          • Keregan

            lol

    • WaitingSince92

      Nah. You can’t have all low budget players or you won’t hit the floor. Cut enough from your budget and all of the sudden your larger contracts are necessary.

  • Jakester

    Today is a nice hot day to pull off a hot trade! Come on Murray, then with Spezz gone Alfie will sign a one year deal to finish off his Glorious career as a SENATOR! where he belongs! Forget Michalek sign Alfie!

    • Tooks

      Bridge burnt…

      • WaitingSince92

        extra crispy!

    • Sandy

      A lot of that could hinge on his wife and kids and if they would prefer to come back to Ottawa rather than staying outside of Detroit.

      • Senatollah

        It would have NOTHING to do with his wife and kids. Seriously? for 1 year??? Listen to the boss, Chirp is right, it comes down to $$$

    • SensChirp

      There are apparently some pretty significant tax reasons keeping him in the US for another year. Would have to be a heck of an offer from Ottawa to make it worthwhile, I think.

      • FBP

        Whaaaaaaa

      • Jakester

        Was worth a try. Lol

  • CUP 2014-15

    Murray to hold a briefing at 4pm today

    • Sandy

      And tell us nothing.

    • Doc

      They’re bringing back the Ice Girls.

      • Tooks

        Finally a good product on the ice!

      • OleHeaveHoFlipperoooni

        Got to love them Yoga pants

        • Doc

          Best invention since hot sauce.

  • Sandy

    IMO I think Stastny goes to St Louis so they fall out of the Spezza sweepstakes and keep their young players.
    I’m hoping for the Panthers or the Coyotes.

    • whammer44

      Its an interesting gamble the Blues may be taking. They could easily lose out on both.

  • Dirk-Diggler

    Sign Ryan to an 8 year deal at $6.5 and make him the C. He will embrace the role and give the A’s to Karlsson and Turris…

    Ryan
    is a guy that has been kicked around his whole life. Here in Ottawa
    he’s been held in pretty high regard (for the most part) and I think
    that’s what he likes. I also think that he wants more of a role as a
    leader and what better way than to reward him with the C.

    This guy is a leader and will be as good as Alfie was to us if we give him the chance.

    • FistsofNeil25

      I’m probably in the minority here but I think 8 years of Bobby Ryan is too much. He’s 27 now and to me he doesn’t seem like the kind of player that is going to age gracefully. The next few seasons that contract could look very nice, but by the time he’s 32 years old it could look terrible.

      I just don’t see the point honestly in committed that much term to a player if you aren’t committed to surrounding him with good enough players to put a contending team on the ice. I think for the reason alone Bobby will probably prefer to spend the prime years of his career somewhere other than Ottawa.

      • OleHeaveHoFlipperoooni

        Agree

      • whammer44

        Its the rare player that 8 years isn’t too much.

        Ryan is kind of a tweener as far as being a star player. If they can sign him 5 years for $35M I could live with that. If it takes an 8 year deal at the same AAV not so much.

        • FistsofNeil25

          5 years makes a hell of a lot more sense than 8.

        • jimmyjohnson

          I doubt he aav higher than ek

      • Andrews theory

        ya 4 years is probably a good range. When they hit 3 years they can re-evaluate.
        typically the guys that stay productive past 30 have decent wheels.

        • FistsofNeil25

          Exactly. We know Bobby doesn’t have wheels. He’s not the most athletic player and he definitely isn’t a gym rat. I would be pretty concerned about signing him to a contract that carries him to the age of 35. I just don’t think that makes sense for the organization.

          • Tooks

            Look at you, keeping the Org out of trouble. Melnyk should hire you. Can you handle $10 an hour?

          • FistsofNeil25

            I’d actually accept $10 an hour to work for the team I love lol

          • Tooks

            Only thing is you would be working for Melnyk, not the team you love, lol.

      • Dirk-Diggler

        I am not worried about a 35 year old making $6.5M in 8 years from now. The cap will be super high (or there will be a crash and the contracts will all be scaled back). Either way, the risk is not great.

    • Harv

      I agree. None of us know what is in the player’s heads but there is a lot of speculation. Ryan’s upbringing was troubled and he survived that and became the strong, capable person he is today. He played third fiddle in Anaheim and got traded away. From what I have seen of Ryan so far, he is a quality person and if we respect that and recognize him as a leader, I don’t know why he would not stay in Ottawa.

      There is a lot of negativity here against the Senators, Ottawa, team management, ownership and some players. Time to turn it around gang and look on the Senators with pride.

    • Hax

      I’m with on most of that – though not sure if he should get the C right now. Depends on the vibe in the room IMO. An A might be better at the moment.

      • Tooks

        IMO, Ryan isnt a leader, he’s a great piece but one of those players that is leader material. Methot, CMac, strike me as leaders, eventually Turris or Karlsson but right now its gonna be Phillips, lol.

      • sbs138

        I can’t see the coaching staff stripping Phillips or Neil of the A to give it to Ryan. not sure why everyone cares so much about this either.

        • Hax

          Nor can I. But maybe we go with three As or they might let Phillips wear the C for a year or two.

          • sbs138

            I like the idea of CP getting the C because he deserves it, but how much is he going to play? I’ve always liked Phillips and hope that he may be the first Sen to play his whole career in Ottawa.

          • Hax

            That’s the question with Phillips. If MacLean reasonably feels that Phillips will just anchor the third pairing all year (or two years) then having him wear the C seems like the right thing to do given there appears to be nobody else really standing out just yet. In two years there should be many more options (Turris, Ryan, Karlsson, MacA etc).

            However if MacLean feels Phillips may see some time in the press box (beyond the odd rest day) then putting the C on him might be a bad idea.

          • sbs138

            he played 70 games last year so he is still capable of playing, it might just be on the 3rd pair and PK.

  • OleHeaveHoFlipperoooni

    I sense a new post coming soon. Or is the next one gonna be……

    The Trade

    • SensChirp

      Thinking we could hear some RFA news today so trying to hold off till that comes. Otherwise the new post would look a lot like the one above, speculating which teams are in on Spezza.

      • Hax

        Lehner? Please, oh please?

        • Tooks

          Nah bigger than that, its gonna be Gryba…

        • Pasky

          Assuming it’s Gryba as it was mentioned before it would get done this week.

          • CUP 2014-15

            If Gryba’s agent is smart and I am sure he is. He will likely wait to see what Mark Fayne signs for to use as a comparison. Just guessing of course.

          • Pasky

            Different scenario. Fayne is a UFA with 4 years in the NHL, so he will be getting a lot more than Gryba will.

          • CUP 2014-15

            4 yrs yes, 200 games v 100 games. Similar player. I would think Sens want 3 yr deal and EG’s camp would look at 2 yrs

        • ill district

          Really think he signs with the penguins. He was able to put up points beside Malkin and Neal – they are the main factor for which his career was rejuvenated. Without him, i don’t think he’s as successful.

          • Pasky

            You think Lehner signs with the Penguins? An offer sheet I’m assuming? Or is this in another comment section.

          • Hax

            Clearly he meant to reply to the comment above about Jokinen.

      • OleHeaveHoFlipperoooni

        Quick UFA question… Jussi Jokinen?

        Although my personal opinion is a team is gonna throw a boatload of money at him, making this completely irrelevant.

        • Tooks

          I’d rather go with Olli Jokinen, big 2C, take pressure off Zib, can play wing.

          • Max Power

            NO! No no nonononononono! Olli Jokinen has the biggest dumbest head of anyone in the nhl. No team will ever win with Olli. Watch his interviews, he’s as dumb as nails and super lazy. He will collectively bring the intelligence of the entire team down. Players will be bummed just looking at his big stupid head.

            Back in his Florida days he was great. Now he is just a turd with a big head.

          • ill district

            Mason Raymond – yes yes yes. Not a fan of OJ at all..

          • whammer44

            Seriously?
            He’s 35 a career -125 or something, played in the playoffs once in what, 10 years? And imo a floater.

            or maybe I should just say lol

          • Tooks

            Have you seen the teams he’s played for, hell, he had more pts than half our team last year playing for the Jets. As 2C he would come cheap and would only be for a year or 2…But I do prefer Raymond tho, speed kills!

          • Jakester

            Olli Jokinen – hell we’re getting rid of a floater don’t bring another in! Make these moves for your LAUGHS!

      • Max2166

        Hopefully the news about the RFA is on Robin Lehner. Great job Chirp!

  • Spoons

    I’m getting a lirrle nervous about the Spezza trade. I really don’t want Murray to acquire a 1st rounder (unless it a top 3 pick). Otherwise why dilute the potential return?

    • RUSH RLZ

      Any first round pick will be awesome. Our scouting staff has done a great job with later picks, and other than having no bonafide Crosby or MacKinnon, this draft is as great as any other…

      • Tooks

        No, this is a very weak draft, Like Hax said, any pick outside the top 5, we already have a ton of, that player will have as much potential as the ones we have now, which is fringe 2nd liners.. Its not what we need. We need NHL rdy players now. Unless you wanna shot at McDavid or Eichel.

    • CUP 2014-15

      Might also get a pick between 15-20 and use it tomorrow along with other assets to try and move up.

    • Hax

      Agree completely. A first round pick after the top 5 is not that big a deal for us. We’re in good shape with mid-level prospects already and we’ll grab someone at 40 that probably is as good as the late first rounders anyway.

      • RUSH RLZ

        Are you kidding Hax? Our prospect pool is starting to get a little thin, so while I don’t expect them to likely sign someone who can jump right into the bigs and help next year, I’m sure they can secure a player with piles of potential.

        Look where Alfie or Datsyuk or Bure were drafted… jeeez.

        • Hax

          “mid-level”

          We’re not going to draft someone at #21 that’s any different than Peumple, Prince, Pageau, Claesson etc.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Yeah, but who comes after those guys when they reach the next level? Most of our top prospects have no graduated to the NHL, and after those four guys you listed, there isn’t a whole lot coming up.

          • Hax

            Next year’s draft? Or trade Prince or someone for another pick next year. I just don’t think this year’s draft is going to help much unless we somehow get in the top 5 picks.

          • FistsofNeil25

            but if the Sens scouts think a pick in this years first round can help us then why should we doubt them? They know a hell of a lot more about these draft prospects than we do.

          • RUSH RLZ

            Exactly! Not like anyone is suggesting moving the likes of Spezza for only a first round pick but… it would be a great asset to have.

            Besides, after the past year we’ve suffered, the pick would be worth it just for us fans getting to watch an exciting first round selection alone!

            *rocks back and forth sobbing with Brian Lee flashbacks*

          • Hax

            Again, not saying a first this year isn’t a decent asset. But it’s not as big an asset as a first next year, or 2016 for that matter. Or any prospect our scouts like better than whoever we might get at #21 or later this year etc. Not saying it’s worthless but I am saying it’s not worth “chasing” a pick for this year.

          • Hax

            Agree with that for sure. Not saying a first rounder this year is useless by any stretch – just saying there’s no urgent need to get one. If the Spezza return is going to include a pick I’d rather it be for 2015 (or even 2016) than this year. I keep hearing “weakest draft in 10 years”.

          • jimmyjohnson

            This gets a big plus 1 from me.

            But…I accept what FON is saying about trusting the team if they want one this year. They havrn’t whiffed on a 1st round pick yet (although Cowen looks like he might qualify soon).

          • Hax

            Agree as well. If Dorion comes to me (as GM) and says he thinks he can someone really great with the x pick then if I’m Murray I work to include a first in my Spezza trade and have it happen tomorrow.

            But beyond anything like that, I think you get better value for Spezza on or after July 1st when a contract extension can be 100% confirmed. If I’m Murray I don’t want to gamble on a conditional pick if Spezza doesn’t extend with whatever team I’m trading to.

          • jimmyjohnson

            Agreed but the counter-argument is that waiting until July 1 would reduce the number of interested teams, assuming they insisted upon talking to him first.

            I think Murray is intent on trading him before even he can talk extension with Spezza.

          • jimmyjohnson

            Prince would have gone in the top 15 this year.


            …………………..

            Let’s not give him away, please.

          • Hax

            Only tossed his name out as a guy who (apparently) wants out and could bring a first potentially.

          • jimmyjohnson

            Yeah I know.
            Until the org trades him, I’m happy believing that they told him to be patient and aren’t going to trade him. It would be dumb to anyways, especially with the state of the forward group

          • RUSH RLZ

            Ha! Presumptuous.

          • whammer44

            but logical

        • Tooks

          These are extremes and if your banking on landing a gem, thats just plain stupid..

          • RUSH RLZ

            Yeah genius, except this wouldn’t be pick #300, more like pick #20.

        • jimmyjohnson

          I don’t see how it’s anything close to thin.

          Just in the NHL (and ignoring top talent) we have Stone, Pageau, Hoffman, Boro making the jump.

          Still looking for an opportunity are Prince, Puempel , Grant, and Claesson.

          Just trying to establish themselves are Dzingel, Dunn, Wikstrand, and Dreidger.

          All 12 of those names have strong potential (and there are a couple more I’m forgetting). Aa in the youngest team in the NHL and you have what should be considered a great talent pool.

          • RUSH RLZ

            Hockey’s Future, who we all gush about when they highly rank one of our prospects… last time they did their rankings they had us ranked 19th in the NHL.

            Since then we’ve plucked JGP, Ceci and Stoner from the minors and without a 1st rounder this year and especially if Lazar gets a spot with the team.. we are likely to be in the bottom five in the league for prospects, if not last.

          • CUP 2014-15

            Not as bad as it seems though as we will have one forward 30+ in Neil and one Defenceman in CP. This team will be so damn young. Turris, Zbad, Smith and Grant all 25 and under down the middle. You get where I am going. There will not be any room for our new picks for a long time.

          • Hax

            True enough and not saying we’re stocked. But I think HF typically weights their ratings on the top prospects. So again, I don’t think some kid we draft at #24 or so will really change things dramatically. Now if we can get a second first rounder next year then we’d be on our way to improving that ranking in a couple of years.

          • jimmyjohnson

            Speak for yourself.

            I don’t gush over hockey news publications (and I don’t mean just The Hockey News).

            In fact, the most recent ranking from HF had some really marginal teams in the top 20. I couldn’t care less how they rate teams. They are wannabe experts, not experts.

        • Hax

          BTW – the days of some Euro getting drafted in the 6th/7th round and turning into a superstar are LONG over. Euro scouting is much more of a big deal than it was back when those guys you list got drafted.

          • Doc

            Bingo.

      • jimmyjohnson

        Not this year… I trust our scouting staff but if you know drafts, what you say here is a very tall order.

        If they manage one NHLer with the picks they currently have, I would be amazed.

      • ChampIsHere

        Praying Ho Sang drops for 40 and we take him

  • Mathieu Gorman

    Do you think Murray will sign a veteran D on July 1st? I think the biggest weakness is our D. We can’t think we can compete with guys like Wiercoch, Gryba, Borocop, Phillips, Cowen. Methot, Ceci and Karlsson are the only ones I trust as true NHLers at this point. Phillips is expendable and the rest are unproven or overrated.

    • EK65

      There’s nothing on the UFA market that isn’t found in Philllips, Methot, etc. in terms of experience. Niskanen is the only one who is interesting to me in terms of D.

      • FistsofNeil25

        I’d be interested in Boyle and Stralman as well depending on the price.
        Both would be a decent fit on the right side second pairing. Boyle would
        be my preference because he could be had for two seasons which would
        allow Ceci a bit more time to develop into a top four guy.

    • Michenator

      both PW and EG are bonified third pairings… same with Borocop. Cowen could have an incredible rebound season, he could also be trade bait. Phillips is definitely past his prime but luckily we still have some good D-prospects in the pipe.

    • Andrews theory

      I’d rather see them trade for a top 4.
      Boychuck would be my primary target, Boston needs to clear space.

      • Dirk-Diggler

        Trade for Letang and get the most dynamic D in the league. Something like Methot ($1M retained), 2014 2nd, Prince and Boro

        • Andrews theory

          i think it would be a big mistake to move Methot
          hes young, he’s big and he’s capable. these defensmen dont grow on trees

          • FistsofNeil25

            get him signed!

          • Hax

            Agree but factor in:

            A) MacLean seemed to lose faith in Meth a bit this year – or so it would seem with the odd healthy scratch thing etc.

            B) If Methot isn’t interested in resigning here we should consider moving him.

            I like him and hope he stays a long time though.

      • jimmyjohnson

        Who do you trade?

        Wiercioch has the 2nd best ppg on the back end, but everyone is eager to give him away.
        Cowen still has high end potential and isn’t the first player to have hope demolishing year.
        Ceci looks good, but so did a lot of rookies who never panned out.
        Methot is currently the #2 on this team.
        Gryba is being re-signed as we speak.
        Boro hasn’t even played a game! (well, he has but you know what I mean)

        There is literally not one player on the back end that is peaking high right now and all of them have potential to come back and haunt us if we trade them too early.

        No, I’ll be happy if they just go into the year as is.

        • Pasky

          As good as Weircioch is, our Left side Ds are Methot, Cowen and Phillips next year, and he isn’t very effective on his off hand which would explain why he seen so much time in the pressbox last year. If Methot won’t resign with the team, maybe package him and Weir for a guy who can play next to Karlsson as an effective 2-way guy.

          XXXX-Karlsson
          Cowen-Ceci
          Phillips-Gryba
          Boro

    • CUP 2014-15

      While I agree with you 100% there is still the fact that our forwards were nowhere to be found in the Dzone last year, our Goaltending was subpar and PMac admitted himself that his change in game plan, systems and his overall coaching method changed from the previous year. One major problem was the PW JC Paring as neither can play the right side and it was a mess. I know I might be grasping at straws but even though this D may not be as good as we hoped, I also don’t believe it’s anywhere as bad as we think it is.

    • jimmyjohnson

      On my mobile screen, the D list looks like:
      Wiercioch
      Gryba, Boro, Phil, Cow
      Methot, Ceci, Karlsson

      My first reaction was “I’d be happy if they just cut out that 2nd line.

      The more I think aboot it, the more I like it.

    • jimmyjohnson

      And to answer your question, I think we just go into the season with a highly suspect D-corp and hope it sorts itself out by the end of the year.

    • Wyzerd

      Far to little experience on D. Teams can’t win with just one decent defender in his prime. Besides Methot, Ottawa’s D is either too old, too young, or just not very good. Any d-man that can just clear the puck under pressure will improve the team.

      • jimmyjohnson

        Winning next year shouldn’t matter

        • FistsofNeil25

          If it did they’d be doing anything they can to get Spezza to stay and surround him with a couple good wingers for once.

  • CaMo

    Today could very well be the day folks. My Twitter feed is being refreshed every 5 mins. Don’t let me down Murray!

  • Dirk-Diggler

    Don’t sign Boyle or Niskanen. We already have 8 D signed for next season. Trade 2 D and a F prospect for Letang.

    Methot, Gryba and Prince for Yandle or Letang… something like that…

    Let’s get some quality players and use our quantity to get it

    • FistsofNeil25

      Except Niskanen was Pittsburgh’s best defenseman this year and even took Letang’s spot on their first powerplay unit. I don’t think it would be a wise idea to have two high-risk defenseman on the Sens like Karlsson and one of Yandle or Letang.

      • Dirk-Diggler

        Nisk benefitted because of Letangs injury… but I believe Letang will be back to a Norris nominee in no time and right now his percieved value is still low. I’d try and steal him with a low ball offer and run with our D as being the most dynamic in the league.

        • FistsofNeil25

          I wouldn’t risk adding a defenseman who has only played one full season in the NHL, suffered a stroke, is paid 7.25M until 2021-2022, and who’s numbers have been inflated by playing his entire career with Crosby and Malkin.

          I also think it would be a bad idea to have that much of our internal budget eaten up by a defenseman we don’t need.

      • Hannibal

        This is why Murray should be looking at McDonough from the NYR. I would trade him straight up for Spezza he is that good. I know it is not going to happen but he is the only player of any significant value that would be comparable to Spezzas’ worth. If Murray asks and it is rejected he should just walk and wait for the best offer.

        • Pasky

          Aftre the playoffs he had NYR won’t be getting rid of him I’m thinking.

          • Hannibal

            You are absolutely right, Murray has to demonstrate patience and steadfastness with NYR if they are the eastern based team in pursuit of Spezza. Its McDonough or nothing from that team.

    • Pasky

      Letang is waayyyy too expensive, for this budget team, and isn’t what we need with Karlsson already. We need more of a 2-way guy to complement Karlsson on the top pairing. A guy like Weber/Suter, but obviously we can’t get someone as skilled.

    • whammer44

      This makes no sense on any level. Won’t repeat what FoN said but for all those reasons.

    • Wyzerd

      Methot is the online decent d-man. Why would you trade him away?

    • Hax

      I’m with you on the quantity for quality thing, but those trades are pretty out there.

    • Stephane Cantin

      besides the Spezza trade Murray will have to take care of our heavy supply of D’s

  • Bob

    Ok, why isn’t anything happening yet????

    • FistsofNeil25

      It’s the calm before the storm.

      • sens_bud

        I hope its a storm, and not just a weak drizzle of piss coming our way.

    • Doc

      You didn’t press F5 hard enough.

    • CUP 2014-15

      Bidding process still going on.

      • Bob

        I’ve got my phone, laptop and pc all set up with alerts.. i’m a little anxious..

        • CUP 2014-15

          LOL, Like a kid on Christmas eve, Hope it’s not a lump of coal

          • Bob

            big box all wrapped up nice, and a crappy shirt inside!

  • esk

    Do you think we will get a great return for spezza? I feel pretty confident we will with the number of teams interested..

    • Sandy

      We don’t know if all of those teams are really interested or just kicking tires.

  • Dirtysweetness

    lol I wonder if Chi would deal Toes/Kane due to their salary expectations? Turris and 2015 1st?

    • Doc

      *sigh*

      • Dirtysweetness

        I’m kidding btw…

        • Doc

          I sure as hell hope so!

          • Dirtysweetness

            It’s too early to start drinking.

          • CUP 2014-15

            That’s just not true

          • Dirtysweetness

            Lol teachers can’t drink at work……cough cough..

          • Doc

            I thought it was encouraged?

          • Dirtysweetness

            I have no idea what you’re talking about….. :)

          • Doc

            Heh, I know a few teachers and one thing’s for sure, you don’t get enough credit for the work you guys do (or get paid nearly enough).

          • Dirtysweetness

            Thanks! I appreciate that.

          • Doc

            No, thank YOU.

            I wouldn’t last very long before I had the urge to punch one of the kids.

          • CUP 2014-15

            Better tell that to the faculty in Cape Breton and Newfoundland. Loved my school years there. LOL

          • Doc

            Now you’re just talking non-sense.

            It’s never too early.

          • sens_bud

            Its 5 o’clock somewhere.

    • RUSH RLZ

      $$$ aside, I’m sure Murray would do that deal for Toews in a heartbeat! Kane not so much.

  • Doc

    What’s with all the love for DSP in Anaheim? He looks like a good player, but he’s projected to be a bottom 6 guy, so I’m not sure why I’ve seen him in most trade proposals for Anaheim.

    • Sensnation

      He’s the big forward type with some skill Murray seems to want. Really not all that exciting imo.

  • Andrews theory

    The salary demands in Chicago from Toews and Kane are mind boggling.

    Kane has been adament about his want for a legit center and they obviously want to win another cup. It doesnt take a rocket scientist to realize that if you have that much salary committed to two players, the overall team suffers as a result.

    If they each got 12 that’d be two players worth half our entire roster
    absurd…

    • aegiszx

      They’ve also locked up Hossa, Sharp, Keith, Hjammy, and Crawford. Sounds like a dynasty to me… they are going to be competitive for many many years to come.

      • FistsofNeil25

        and they always have a steady flow of prospects coming up through the system.

        • aegiszx

          ^ Exactly, to think they still have Saad, Teuvo, Nordstrom who will be even bigger impact players in 2-3 years time. Stan has done a good job there after being gutted post-2010.

          • FistsofNeil25

            I’m envious.

          • aegiszx

            Also just slipped my mind that they acquired Rundblad (still think he mightttt pan out… but who knows, they do say D take longer to develop…)

          • FistsofNeil25

            I think they’ll move Oduya, promote Leddy to the second pairing and then have Rundblad as their bottom pairing puck mover.

      • Andrews theory

        They wont have all those guys if they sign those two to 12 million a peice.
        the numbers dont’ add up.

        • aegiszx

          Those guys are already signed and locked up. Next season, they are operating with roughly 64M roster… and the year after 40M because Toews/Kane are UFAs, and assuming that they do extend to 12M, that’s 64M again with 6-8M to sign depth players.

          I think they’ll be fine from the looks of it… and not to mention the cap will continue to go up.

    • Sensnation

      Agreed, however with the climbing cap and revenues in the coming years, soon 10-12mil will be the new 8-10. And at 12 each that still leaves almost the entire team budget of the Sens to fill out the rest of their roster before hitting the cap ceiling. There’s about to be a point where most players are underpaid vs revenue numbers, and Kane and Toews are just the first to take advantage of it.

  • FBP

    Wait, Derek Roy is from Rockland? Wonder if BMGM would consider?

    • Doc

      No thanks.

      • FBP

        Agree, just that GMBM seems to like having Ottawa area folk on the team and he likely won’t be expensive.

        If his FO% was decent it might be worth it. We’ll be missing Spezza in the circle.

        Or we can just have Ryan take the draws. 8 wins for 61.5 % last year.

        • jimmyjohnson

          yeah lol Ryan take the draws!!

          wait, that’s a joke, right?

    • ill district

      no thanks. to small.

      • Hax

        Yeah we’re already two small up front.

  • Wyzerd

    What the Sens need is a new owner. Melnyk seems content to be a poser. He is either not able or not willing to pay the price to be a contender.

    • Sensnation

      How many small markets are paying the price? When was the last time you saw Phoenix, Winnipeg, Nashville and the list goes on, spend this “price to be a contender”? Should he just grab the money from his bank account to satisfy your need for a max cap team?

      • Wyzerd

        What he needs to do is create an environment where his star players don’t feel the need to leave. The lack of a veteran presence is obvious, specially on D. Pretty hard to attract moderately priced veteran experience when your stars abandon the franchise.

  • FistsofNeil25

    Regarding the Sharp trade rumors:

    Curran singled out Sportsnet’s Nick Kypreos for criticism. “When the Sportsnet guy, Nick Kypreos, erroneously made a statement and everyone went crazy, I called Stan again.I asked, ‘Has anything changed?’ He said, ‘absolutely not.’ He’s full of [expletive].”

    Curran added,”“Stan Bowman said he’s the last guy that would be traded… As far as I’m concerned, the whole thing’s a fabrication from a puke out of Toronto trying to make headlines, an absolutely, completely irresponsible report, based on absolutely nothing other than his own whim or fancy.”

    • RUSH RLZ

      Huh?

      • FistsofNeil25

        Sorry that was regarding the the Sharp trade rumors.

        • RUSH RLZ

          Ahhhhh.

          • FistsofNeil25

            haha yeah my bad I should have made that more clear.

    • jimmyjohnson

      That was awesome lol

    • Sandy

      And we have 12 yrs of that puke to watch on Sportsnet national broadcast.

      • Sensnation

        But he’s got a ring. There’s knowledge in that ring we will never know about haha ;)

  • Dirtysweetness

    Chirp, is this website ready for the pounding it’s going to get once Spezza is traded? Traffic is going to be nuts.

    • RUSH RLZ

      What do they call it when HB goes down? SCARL? LOL. Surprised that hasn’t happened yet.

  • FistsofNeil25

    Evander Kane to the Flyers?

    • RUSH RLZ

      Huh?

      I don’t want them to get Kane but I sure hope they spend stupidly and put themselves more in cap hell, so they can’t afford to lure Bobby away next year, which is apparently a preferred destination for him.

      • Frankie Fives

        I’d bet that they’d consider either Kane or Ryan. Whoever they can trade for that’s the “cheapest” option

    • SensChirp
      • FistsofNeil25

        Jets fans must be so annoyed. I’d be pretty disappointed if Bobby Ryan favorited a tweet about him and Philly lol

        • Hax

          Yes and no. He should realize people will see that as endorsing the idea and be smarter about it. But some people use favorite just to mark tweets they want to go back to etc. Or heck he could have fat-fingered it on his phone.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Unfortunately for Kane he doesn’t get the benefit of the doubt.

          • Hax

            Very true. He’s used up his mulligans for sure.

        • PaulMacLeansDuster

          Evander “Money Phone” Kane

          • Sensnation

            Pure Money!

      • RUSH RLZ

        I hope that is an accident, otherwise I just lost a lot of respect for the kid. Yikes!

        • jimmyjohnson

          It doesn’t surprise me at all that he would do this. I don’t know how anyone could think highly of him in the first place. His attitude is all over his face and his swagger. No need for that type of character in a locker room.

      • esk

        LOL he really wants out. dont blame him

      • FBP

        Wow. I’d say he’s entered must trade territory. Might as well do it now before he Heatleys them.

  • Frankie Fives

    Not sure if anyone has seen this yet but it’s pretty damn funny

    http://www.bonksmullet.com/2014/06/bryan-murray-trades-jason-spezza-secret.html

    • THE best looking Erik

      funny stuff – some needed comedy relief – it’s SO tense in here

      German soccer team is dressed like the Ottawa Senators

    • jimmyjohnson

      “Armstrong: Bryan! How are things?

      Murray: Oh, you know . . . fiscally responsible.”

      lolol

      Funny stuff. Thanks.

    • Michenator

      Definite needed comic relief.

  • ill district

    So many centers potentially on the move.

    V. Lecavalier
    B. Richards
    P.Stanstny
    J.Spezza

    R.Kessler?

    Toronto could certainly use a Center, T.Bozak and N.Kadri aren’t cutting it. I don’t think the first two impact the. J.Speeza trade, as he is 1st line calibre and they are ready for 3rd line duties.

    • Tooks

      Yep and Spezza is probably 2nd on that list to move, everyone waiting on Kessler.

      • Sensnation

        Kessler price too high, they’ve already moved on to Spezza after talking to Statsny during this window. I think you’re slightly off right now tooks.

    • ChampIsHere

      Why TOR hasn’t moved Kadri+ for Duchene yet I dunno, Kadri would get more points, but Duchene would help Toronto WIN.

  • FBP

    Damn. I was away for a couple hours and really thought I’d be returning to news.

    • SensChirp

      GMs must all be watching the soccer games

      • EK65

        All the US GMs anyways. All the Canadian GMs are calling and getting voicemails for the next few hours.

      • FBP

        I hope the US wins so all the American GMs are pumped with feel good endorphins and make some long shot trades.

        • esk

          US is through…trades are imminent

  • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

    It is way too quiet

  • Brock

    Ottawa is in the hunt for Joe Thornton according to Eklund… Hahaha.

    • esk

      LOL

  • Phil.

    I apologize if this has posted already:

    “The Carolina Hurricanes, Columbus Blue Jackets, Florida Panthers and New York Islanders are the four East teams that Spezza wouldn’t accept a trade to, according to McKenzie.”

    • jimmyjohnson

      I think those are the obvious choices.
      I was surprised Van was on the list and Buf was not.

    • Sensnation

      Before the list there were reports Spezza would love to go to Florida. Surprised that they are on his list, but I guess they are budget team too.

      • Hax

        I think Florida was added just to get the list to 10. In other words, he’s probably told Murray he’d consider going there if the situation was right.

        • Sensnation

          That would make sense. But why not put Buffalo? Would he seriously go to Buffalo? Or Phoenix?

          • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

            He probably knows T Murray wouldn’t want him

          • Sensnation

            Ouch. I was thinking within the division like Toronto, Montreal.

          • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

            I thought it was rumoured that t Murray wasn’t a big fan for a while now?

          • FistsofNeil25

            Tim is not.

          • Sensnation

            I guess I missed those. No wonder we could never find him linemates lol

          • MethotToMyMadness

            No Buffalo because he knows Murray won’t make the deal with his Nephew anyway, so don’t waist the team for the 10 he needs to put down.

          • Sandy

            Wasn’t that list done up at the end of last season, not this season?

          • Sensnation

            It was supposed to be, which makes half of what the media says confusing and nonsensical.

  • Bob

    soccer is over.. lets see a trade!! or something… btw, my F5 button has been broken for a few hours now, IT said they didn’t have a new keyboard for me.

  • esk

    Update: “..St. Louis Blues, Anaheim Ducks and Chicago Blackhawks are considered the most serious.”http://www.ottawasun.com/2014/06/26/spezza-trade-talks-could-go-down-to-the-wire

    • Hax

      I know everyone assume Chicago is unlikely, but I’d like to see what that team would look like if they added Spezza. I assume they’d only want him for one year since they have to keep Toews and Kane (unless they feel one of those guys are gone). So based on that I’d assume their offer would be lower.

      But still – you’d have Toews to play against the other team’s top line or when you need a 200-ft game and Spezza potentially feeding Kane against weaker defenders and on the power play.

      Could be sick.

      • Sensnation

        Agreed Hax. Really any of the contenders being talked about have some sick talent for him to feed.

        • esk

          yup and if any of the west teams pick up stastny..its going to be a bidding war for spezza. ARMS RACE

          • Tooks

            PEOPLE! Nobody will give an arm and a leg for a 1 year player when they can just sign him next year. Especially IF Spezza only wants to go to STL, he wont re-sign with the team that gets him for this year.

      • A-Train

        So who do we think Chicago offers?

        • Keregan

          somethings along the line of Shaw Teuvo and a 1st could be cool

          • Sensnation

            Supposedly they balked at Teuvo in a deal for Kesler, not sure if he’s available.

          • Keregan

            yeah he is probably their best prospect as it is now

          • Tooks

            Jesus, Spezza aint 25 anymore. Ottawa wins out to much in this trade…

          • Sensnation

            Have you read the reports from the media? How YOU value him means little if BM is going after more.

        • Hax

          Hjalmarsson part of it? Sens had interest in him before.

          • Keregan

            he would be a dream partner for King K

          • FistsofNeil25

            As great as Hjalmarrson is I don’t want him now. We should be targeting players that will be in their prime when the Sens are ready to contend.

          • Pasky

            That was my first thought. The hardest thing about Chicago is the available cap space, which means that they have to send us close to the same salary he send them.

        • Rafi Bomb

          I could see us targeting Andrew Shaw as part of the return.

          Maybe something like Shaw, McNeill/Danault/Hartman and a 1st.

      • FistsofNeil25

        Chicago has been my second favorite team since Toews came into the league. They’re already the most entertaining team in the league to watch. Imagine if they got Spezza? I hope it happens.

  • BMurray

    THROWING A FEELER OUT THERE

    Can we not see a trade to Philly

    To Philly
    Spezza
    Weircoch

    To Ottawa
    Vinny (Philly to retain some salary)
    Morin
    First

    I can see murray taking salary dumps while team retains salary and we get prospects… It will give us actual salary reliex but help interms of the floor

    • Brock

      Fuck. No.

      • BMurray

        I know but Samuel Morin we were extremly high on last year and first this year… Vinny can play 2C and PP… Just saying we can also take on a cap hit aslong as someone takes on actual salary.

        We need to be realistic on the return. and in no way do i want to see Berglund or bonino as our number 2/3

        • FistsofNeil25

          They are no worse than Lecavalier at this point.

        • Sensnation

          There are multiple teams that want Spezza, some are circling over and over, this can possibly become a bidding war that works in our favor. No need to sell short just to get it over with.

    • Keregan

      don’t want any part of Vinny whatsoever

    • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

      Put the pipe down

    • Sensnation

      Vinny plus a pick should come for next to free, the pick is to make up for taking Vinny. This gives little value to Spezza in the trade let alone with adding Wiercioch in as well.

      • BMurray

        well vinny is still a productive player, he played 15 min per game las year. I think you are undervaluing MOrin and the First. and give us better depth at D and still someone good upfront. Or we fail for Eichel/mcdavid

        • Pasky

          I think you are overvaluing Lecavalier. He is effective but essentially it’s the same deal as Berglund/Rattie/1st that everyone including BM hates

    • MethotToMyMadness

      Retract Vinny and made it Simmonds and you may be on to something.

      • EK65

        I’d be surprised if Philly would do Spezza for SImmonds straight up.

        • Sensnation

          Ottawa shouldn’t either.

          • MethotToMyMadness

            Not straight up, but a package that includes Simmonds in it, would be a very good start.

          • EK65

            Simmonds ain’t going anywhere.

          • Sensnation

            Ok? lol

          • EK65

            They won’t move him. He was a beast for them last season and is worth his 4 mil cap hit. Too valuable for them.

          • Doc

            He’s untouchable, and rightfully so.

          • Sensnation

            Untouchable is a strong word for someone who just hit 60pts for the first time.

          • Perry

            Yeah, but he is, so…

          • Sensnation

            Link?

          • Doc

            So that’s what you base your opinion. Got it.

            You clearly haven’t seen much of him to say that, so let’s just drop it.

          • Sensnation

            I clearly haven’t seen much of him? Nice man, keep it real!

          • Tooks

            Why? Simmonds is one of the best power forwards in the game right now.

            Ottawa would totally win out that trade, Philly is the one that wont do this.

          • Sensnation

            Is Simmonds a top 6 forward, a prospect AND a draft pick?

            He wouldn’t match the value being sought. He is not a superstar and would not be worth Spezza straight up.

          • Doc

            Sorry, but Tooks is right.

            They wouldn’t do Simmonds for Spezza straight up. We would have to add a lot to get it done. That being said, he’s untouchable at this point.

          • MethotToMyMadness

            I don’t think we’d have to add anything, another issue where we undervalue our own players. In no way is a top point producing C less valuable then a top 6 winger. But I love Simmonds and would want him on this team without a doubt.

          • Sensnation

            Simmonds is not better than Spezza. He’s younger, but that’s it. I’m pretty sure that would not get done either way.

          • Doc

            You’re missing a few key elements. It’s not about who’s better, it’s about age, contract, potential, injury history, etc.

            Trust me, there is ZERO chance they trade Simmonds, let alone for Spezza.

          • Sensnation

            I’m not expecting it for Spezza, just can’t agree with your valuation of simmonds. Agree to disagree.

      • Keregan

        yeah at least Simmonds or Voracek but god no to vinny

    • Pasky

      If they really want to send us Philly he has to be the secondary piece instead of a prospect. As in Simmonds-Vinny-1st for Spezza-Weircioch

    • Andrews theory

      we can not lol

    • RUSH RLZ

      Vinny who?

    • Rafi Bomb

      If we are trading with the Flyers then we are targeting players like Simmonds, Voracek, Schenn and Couturier.

      Simmonds is exactly the type of player we need so I would see him as being the primary target.

      • Perry

        and Matt Read. BM was high on him when he tried to trade Bishop

  • Brock

    AJ Jakubec @AJonSports
    One day before the NHL Draft in Philly, teams are ramping up their offers for Jason Spezza. Anaheim & St Louis keep circling back.

    • BMurray

      anything around Berglund or Bonino and we will get bruttaly beat(change to whatever word)

  • Andrews theory

    Assuming Toews and Kane get close to what they are asking; In 2014/2015 Chicago Blackhawks will need to sign
    5 forwards
    4 defensemen
    1 goalie
    for apx. 11 million total while having 12 million tied up in 2.

    cap may go up but it wont go up dramatically. Let’s say it incrases from 71 to 75

    Good luck with that while remaining competitive.

    • esk

      isnt suppose to be at 100 in 3-5 years?

    • FistsofNeil25

      Toews and Kane won’t actually get 12M each. That was their initial asking price but you can bet it will come down a fair amount from that. If the cap goes up to 75-76M the year after next then 10M isn’t bad at all.

    • Sensnation

      71 next year is almost 7mil more than this year. It will easily be closer to 80 the following year and some reports are going higher. Revenues in some markets were still dealing with the lockout hangover this year.

      • Andrews theory

        if it climbs to 80 the year after, we’ll be seeing a for sale sign on scotia bank place in short order

        • Sensnation

          The new tv deals will be kicking in, how much more do you think that will add to revenue both for the overall NHL numbers and the sens. It’s not all doom and gloom, but it’s what’s coming.

    • Tooks

      It all goes with the times, they’ve done it before when they both asked for raises, back in 2010 when the cap was much lower, uneducated people said the same thing, good luck remaining competitive……they won 2 Cups…

      They wont be able to spend like crazy but this wont be an issue.

      • Andrews theory

        keep in mind they could also front load contracts at the time, that’s gone
        Hossa’s contract was a joke

    • aegiszx

      Those 5 forwards they need to sign are bottom 6 guys, and I doubt any of those guys will be more than 1.5-2M. Basically 1-2 vets and 2-3 rookies on ELC. Doable.

      The D is in good shape considering they’ll be losing Oduya’s hefty 3M price tag along with Roszival at 2M. Their top 4 D are locked up in Seabrook, Keith, Hjamarlsson, and Leddy… and I highly doubt with Rundblad coming in, he’s going to command anything more than 2M.

      The backup G is going to be just that, a back-up. Which backup will be making more than 2M? They could just throw Raanta in there.

      This is a team that could ice those 16 guys they have under contract, and still be more competitive than Ottawa’s 23 man roster.

    • sprucesens

      yeah, I looked at that too. no way they are taking back spezza unless a big contract is coming our way. Wouldn’t that be crazy if they traded us kane, because they didn’t want the money spent. Career suicide for them though, lot of kane fan’s in Chicago. This also assumes that toews is never going anywhere for his entire career. Ha ha, have at it. And yes, I realize this was mostly a stupid comment, kane isn’t going anywhere.

  • SensChirp

    Murray can say he’s willing to wait beyond this weekend, and likely will when he speaks today at 4:00 PM, but they want to have this done by tomorrow night.

    • Pasky

      I hope he doesn’t go too public with negotiations like he does sometimes. Also expecting him to announce a Gryba extension at that meeting, or at leas tthat the deal will get done.

    • Sensnation

      Should be an interesting news conference today. Really sounds like he wants that 1st rounder this year.

    • BMurray

      I think Anton Karlsson will be a stud, had an off year this year but pretty good overall. he fell of many boards, started the year in the top 10

      • sprucesens

        I don’t think we could manage having 3 karlsson’s. lol

    • Phil.

      “they want to have this done by tomorrow night”

      So do I…

      • SensChirp

        So do I.

        Otherwise I’ll have to do my Draft coverage from The Senate tomorrow night.

        • FBP

          Do you know if they’re showing it volume on?

          • SensChirp

            They did last year.

    • Tooks

      I dont think a pick is in play. This is going past July 1st.

      • SensChirp

        Picks are absolutely in play.

  • A-Train

    Murray on the phone to St. Louis: “No, I can’t tell you who Chicago’s offering. I wouldn’t want to make you….Saaad.”

    • RUSH RLZ

      Haha! Love it.

    • Brock

      Comment of the day.

    • Doc

      Lol.

      But if Saad was being offered, the trade would have already been announced and I would already have a white heritage jersey of Saad.

      • Tooks

        Yeah no kidding, Saad aint going nowhere.

    • THE best looking Erik

      (rimshot)

    • IAmThePaulrus

      with Bryan’s ability to pronounce the letter S it would be even more hilarious.. i can hear it now.. Ssssaaaaad for Sspezssa

  • Dirk-Diggler

    Hey Chirp…

    No matter what happens tomorrow good or bad for the Senators… Can we have a Tookie free day?

    Kiss FM has Commercial Free Mondays… Let’s have Tookie Free Fridays

  • Andrews theory

    i wonder if part of the motivation in going after spezza is to bring down Kanes asking price

  • OleHeaveHoFlipperoooni

    While falling asleep this morning (I work nights) I thought of this…

    Imagine if…. Murray makes the Spezza trade with the Panthers,, The 1st comes back our way, then Murray starts a bidding war with teams for that pick insisting on a 2015th 1st.

    That would be cool : )

    • MethotToMyMadness

      Why do that? If we made the trade and got this years 1st, then draft the best player available according to what Ottawa needs. And if we really want a good 1st in 2015, the odds right now are good it could be ours already, lol

      • OleHeaveHoFlipperoooni

        There would be players coming back to us in both deals. Maybe I should have said that

        • Hax

          I think if we did get Florida’s pick somehow then you certainly put it up for auction. Doesn’t mean you trade it but you see what the offers are of course.

          For example, if some team was desperate enough to offer their next three firsts for this year’s first overall I’d consider that.

          • OleHeaveHoFlipperoooni

            Or 2 1sts, or an impact player and a 1st…. Thats what I’m talking about!

          • Sensnation

            My question would be why add more depth? We already have tons of it. We need prospects who can be top end, I would hope we draft or trade for one of those if we acquire this 1st overall pick.

          • OleHeaveHoFlipperoooni

            Possibilities are freakin endless. Weigh them wisely BM..

          • sprucesens

            if we got the 1st overall, we flip it to Edmonton, because they want ekblad bad. Take their 3rd and one of their top forwards, like eberle. Its a steep price but wouldn’t it be fantastic!? lol. It’s great for us, as we’d still get a either bennet or reinhart, who could have just as easily been taken 1st. I would love if we went this route, but its more far fetched. We’d have to have both deals worked out already, but I imagine florida would just as soon take eberle and the 3rd overall as they would spezza, but who knows. Florida has a way of going a bit off the board with their top picks

    • Sensnation

      I’d make the pick this year, likely Ekblad. Too hard to predict who will win the lottery next year and if you miss that player, then you are a year further behind in development for a player you didn’t even want that badly.

    • Rafi Bomb

      Or maybe we get a 2016 first instead and try and predict which team will be in the bottom five. That way we can get a good shot at drafting top prospect Luke Kirwan who is already 6’1 230 lbs and tearing it up offensively.

  • Rafi Bomb

    http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=455748

    Murray should inquire about the prices for Ladd, Bogosian, Byfuglien and Kane.

    • Sandy

      Like Spezza would waive to go to Winnipeg.

      • Rafi Bomb

        We don’t have to trade Spezza there. It could be a separate trade entirely. Or we could use some of the pieces we get in return and flip them to Winnipeg.

        • sprucesens

          stone + prince + pick for kane? Probably enough to get it done. but who knows

      • Cozzy

        No, but I can see a scenraio where Anderson + gets dealt to the Peg for one of them….or we ride him through to next year and let him walk. I just don’t see us committing to him long term with Lehner on the verge.

        • Sensnation

          Anderson isn’t that much ahead of what they currently have in nets. Would take a lot with him to get 1 of those 4 names.

          • Cozzy

            True but they’re getting tired of Pavelec’s consistency issues. if not there, then perhaps Craig goes somewhere. depends on Lehner’s contract (bridge vs 4+ yrs).

          • Sensnation

            Anderson needed to be traded a year ago, his value will never be that high again. Probably best to just let him play out his contract backing up Lehner.

  • FBP

    We haven’t had any posters threaten to fight each other this week have we?

    • A-Train

      There’s a support-group vibe in here right now. I like it. We all know how much this wait is screwing up our lives.

      That said, I expect a bloodbath once the trade goes down….

      • Brock

        #BlameMelnyk

      • THE best looking Erik

        3 months of backbiting anyway

  • Sensnation

    What happened to Dallas? I had my Stars Spezza jersey all lined up and they seem to have fallen out of the Spezza sweepstakes now.

    • SensChirp

      Garrioch confirmed they were interested this morning but then left them out of his article.

      • Sensnation

        Ah ok. Thx Chirp. Would love to see him feeding Benn and Seguin for the next 5+ years.

        • Rafi Bomb

          He wouldn’t be playing with those two. Maybe on the power play but not 5 on 5

          • Sensnation

            Too hard to predict that, but if you think your magic 8 ball has the answers. Either way though, still seeing PP time together as you said.

          • Rafi Bomb

            They want a second line centre. Bringing in a guy like spezza would help spread out there offense. Teams don’t like to load up their offense on one line anymore.

          • Sensnation

            Agreed, but Spezza is better 1st line C than Seguin. There’d be good argument for putting him with Benn. Also if they keep Nish as well, they have enough skill to still be a bit top heavy. Too many variables to predict.

          • Tooks

            “Agreed, but Spezza is better 1st line C than Seguin”?!?!!? Baffling…

          • Sensnation

            41.5%

            Do you know what that represents tooks? Seguin’s faceoff win %. That is one of the worst of any first line C in the league, but hey I know how it’s all about age and potential for you.

          • Tooks

            So Spezza is better 1C cuz of Faceoff %, great, got it. Better build our team around Manna Malhotra’s and Jarret Stoll’s of the world haha…

            Get an avatar already, a baboon would be a good start for you.

          • Sensnation

            Is that how you read that? Interesting perspective you hold there.

          • Rafi Bomb

            Well Sequin did put up 84 points this season. I guess you could argue that Spezza has the better track record for point production but given Sequin’s age, he could quickly become the superior centre.

            Also I don’t see a high probability of a Spezza to Dallas trade without Nichushkin being involved.

          • Sensnation

            I would want Nichushkin too, but they so far are not willing to move him for Spezza.

            Seguin put up his first PPG year and it was in heavy minutes playing with Benn. Spezza had a decent offensive year with no linemates until the last quarter. IMO track record and other aspects of being a C come into play here.

          • Rafi Bomb

            Another thing that you need to factor in is that offense isn’t the only important trait of a number one centre. Seguin is better defensively, grittier and has a higher compete level.

            In regards to his offense, he put up 67 points in Boston 2 years ago. Since entering the league he has scored 11 goals in 74 games played, 29 g in 81 gp, 16 g in 48 gp and 37 g in 80 gp. Therefore his goals per game average has been 0.15, 0.36, 0.33 and 0.46, with a total average of 0.33 gpg. Then in regards to his point production he has scored 22 points in 74 games played, 67 pts in 81 gp, 32 pts in 48 gp and 84 pts in 80 gp. Therefore his points per game average is 0.30, 0.83, 0.67 and 1.05, with a total average of 0.71 ppg. Therefore in an 82 game season he should produce approximately 58 points and 27 goals. If we remove his first season from the averages we get a new gpg of 0.38 and a ppg of 0.85, which would result in approximately 70 points and 31 goals in an 82 game season.

            Overall that is very impressive point production for a player who has a positive goals for/goals against ratio and is gritty and competes hard.

          • jimmyjohnson

            Even taking into account last season’s -26, Spezza is still a career plus-54.

            And half of that career was played on a dismal team.

          • Rafi Bomb

            Ok and at this point Seguin is a career +69.

            Spezza is a great offensive player but he has never been very gritty or very strong defensively.

          • jimmyjohnson

            You can’t use his time on a powerhouse Boston team as indicative of his defensive prowess.

            Spezza isn’t gritty but he is tough. He takes a hell of a pounding sometimes. And defensively, he’s only marginal because he always had his eyes up ice. He isn’t inept defensively, he’s just not particularly committed. The right coach can fix that.

      • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

        Further proving his amazing journalism skills

    • Rafi Bomb

      “Bruce Garrioch @SunGarrioch · 3h
      Lots of talk here the Dallas Stars have kicked tires on C Jason Spezza. They have been mentioned before. #Sens”

      They are still interested, but they seem to be kicking tires. Most likely the Sens want Nichushkin and Dallas is apprehensive about trading him.

    • Tooks

      Yep they never were serious, only kicking tires.

  • OleHeaveHoFlipperoooni

    A lot of times in trade negotiations of this magnitude a “mystery” teams pops up….. Not saying its gonna happen, but worth noting

    • Sensnation

      I think it was Calgary. Spezza laughed and hung up on Murray when told. ;)

      • jimmyjohnson

        I’d go with Dallas.

        Being a team he’d never waive for (CGY) pretty much takes the mystery out of it lol

        • Sensnation

          There was also Tampa Bay for all of 1 day.

          • jimmyjohnson

            And Phoenix

  • FBP

    Jakubec hinting at a non Spezza OTT-FLA trade.

    • OleHeaveHoFlipperoooni

      Greening!

    • SensChirp

      Ottawa likes Gudbranson but Florida has refused to move him in the past.

      • OleHeaveHoFlipperoooni

        Greening & Prince

        • SensChirp

          Nahhhhh

      • FistsofNeil25

        Gudbranson for Cowen + Prince and whatever else needs to be added. Done deal!

        • FistsofNeil25

          And then sign Dan Boyle and Mark Fraser and call our blueline Erik Karlsson and the 613 boys. Karlsson, Methot, Gudbranson, Ceci, Boyle, Fraser.

        • jimmyjohnson

          I really like Prince and I haven’t given up on Cowen, but I would do that trade in a heartbeat.

          Gudbranson is insanely underrated. Kid’s a monster and the perfect player to line up with ek

          • sprucesens

            prince asked for trade, that’s why we all include him in trades

          • jimmyjohnson

            I know that’s been speculated, but a lot of players ask for trades and don’t always get them. He wanted to be traded because he wasn’t getting much of a chance here. It’s pretty damn impossible to argue he won’t get a chance next year lol.

            No way they should trade him now. Like I said earlier, if he was drafted this year, based on what he did before being drafted, he’d a top-10 or top-15 pick.

      • RUSH RLZ

        Hasn’t he and or his family been part of Ottawa charity golf tournaments and stuff this summer? What is the connection? I keep thinking why the shit would they be doing all that here?

    • Rafi Bomb

      I wonder who we would be targeting. Maybe Erik Gudbranson, or Dmitry Kulikov or Scottie Upshall.

  • FBP

    I’m confused about all the information regarding Toews and Kane contract negotiations. I didn’t think they were allowed to discuss extensions before July 1st as they still have another year on their current contracts? I know everyone probably ignores this rule, but we usually don’t hear about it.

  • OleHeaveHoFlipperoooni

    If there’s any steam to Joe Thornton for Spezz….

    Doug Wilson: Alright Bryan.. We can only talk further if you promise to take Havlat back to Ottawa

    • Rafi Bomb

      Lateral move. There is no point trading Spezza for Thornton.

      • OleHeaveHoFlipperoooni

        Unless both Gms do it thinking.. “a change of scenery might help “

        • Rafi Bomb

          The criticism of Thornton is that you can’t win with him. Spezza has a very similar criticism.

          I think San Jose could entertain it, but it doesn’t make sense for Ottawa. We basically get older.

          • OleHeaveHoFlipperoooni

            I wouldn’t be personally for it. No different than Spezz leaving and signing Brad Richards.. Bringing in virtually the same player

          • Sensnation

            Yzerman had the same criticism. He was captain for almost 10 years until reaching the finals, 2 more before he won. It’ll be interesting to see at the end of his career if he’s able to get over that hump too in his 30s.

      • MethotToMyMadness

        Depends on what Murray wants to do. Rebuild usually means getting younger players. But we do need to have some veteran presence on this team, Spezza leaving means we only have 2 left which decent experience. Ideally Ottawa wants to get a player in return who can play and help the team now and in the future, Thornton can do that.

        You can’t say that Thornton wouldn’t help Ottaaw. Hell, we’d lose our Captain and 1st line C, but we’d gain a 1st line C right back, who is even more productive than Spezza. In the end, you have just added about 15 – 20 more points a season, so not technically lateral at all. And you have this player signed for a good length of time.

        And I didn’t realize this stat, but Joe Thornton has the third most points of any active player in the NHL right now. That’s a pretty impressive stat for a 34 year old.

        • Sensnation

          I’m not sure if more productive is what I’d call Joe. He’s actually scored less points per game than Spezza and most of them are assists. We don’t have many finishers. He’s been more durable and played longer for sure, just feels like too much of a wash skill wise for a veteran who means nothing to this fan base.

          • sprucesens

            yeah, while not disputing that joe isn’t a great player, nor the fact that he isn’t going anywhere because he has a full NTC in a great city to live in and play on a great team, but it doesn’t move our team in any direction. It remains status quo. Rather get top young players, and sign a UFA to fill the vet role

          • MethotToMyMadness

            I totally agree, it’s not what I’d be aiming for personally. But if it happened, because Spezza wanted to leave, and Joe said YES I’ll go to Ottawa, then I’d be more than happy to have him here.

          • Sensnation

            You make good points, would be hard to hate if that’s how it went down.

    • Tooks

      No to Joe and especially no to Havlat!

    • Andrews theory

      Joe would veto that faster than you could stroke it.

    • Andrews theory

      clearly, Murray has been listening to our input.

  • esk
    • Sensnation

      There’s nothing that could have won it for him this year, he just wasn’t good enough.

  • esk

    OH SHIT “According to Darren Dreger , Spezza’s Agent was Seen A couple hours ago Going into a meeting with Bryan Murray”

    • Deadly

      Florida perhaps?

    • RUSH RLZ

      Strong offer from a team not on his list? Go Florida! Here comes da Blockbuster!

    • Brock

      Here we go.

    • RUSH RLZ

      Unverified though if Dreger himself didn’t actually Tweet / say anything, we really have no source.

      And if it was already a couple hours ago…. *sobs*

      • esk

        lol maybe he did on tv? its soo quiet ..had to post something haha

      • Sandy

        Maybe it was to meet Bryan Murray AND Dale Tallon? LOL

    • CaMo

      Could it be about Spezza waiving his NTC to go to FLA? … We Shall seeee. I think it happens tomorrow though, seems like it’s slow going for TSN today. They are just repeating what we have been reading everwhere the last 2 weeeks.

  • esk

    and another one “#STL’s Berglund was mentioned in a package for Spezza but that won’t be enough, per Dreger.” @@TheJordanMady

    • Rafi Bomb

      Good, Berglund isn’t very valuable.

      • Sensnation

        Agreed. I think every sens fan is holding their breath that the Berglund trade isn’t how it goes down.

        • sprucesens

          he can be a throw in at best. they’re deal will include either shwartz or tarasenko + or we won’t even be listening. Can add oshie to that list too

        • Rafi Bomb

          Exactly, it would similar to acquiring another Michalek. But instead of it being a 2009 version of Michalek, it wold be the 2014 version.

          Overall it just doesn’t seem to fill any of our needs’s Berglund isn’t overly tough, physical or intimidating (which is something that we are lacking), he doesn’t have that high of offensive upside (which is something that we are also lacking) and he isn’t necessarily a great playoff performer or clutch.(which is the primary element Murray is seeking).

      • RUSH RLZ

        Berglund return would be a pile of shit. I would be so pissed. That is almost worst case scenario. Berglund and a 2nd.

      • Sandy

        On top of that, he has a severe shoulder injury.

  • Spoons

    Chirp, One thing’s been bothering me the past day, and no one addressed the issue: What’s with the the Spezza “eye exam” pic? it’s weird and funny in an “out-of-place” way.

    • RUSH RLZ

      That is part of the story of how he came into the organization, long ago, and soon we will find out how he departs…

      • Spoons

        What? they’ll take out the other eye? I don’t get it. LOL

        • RUSH RLZ

          It is a test, part of his physical, not removing an eye. :cP

    • SensChirp

      Ha. After so many Spezza articles and passing up on that picture every time, I just couldn’t resist using it. Was surprised how little conversation their way about it.

      Plus I felt like the confused look on his face suited the complexity of the situation with so many teams involved.

      • RUSH RLZ

        Do you know what it’s from? Combines? Post draft medical?

        • Spoons

          It’s not an eye exam. It’s someone showing Spezza how not to use a spoon.

          • RUSH RLZ

            Nice guys! A bunch of stoners or comedians in here today. Lots of funny zingers to help alleviate the tension and pass the time!

        • Hax

          It’s after the first game he played under Jacques Martin. Martin
          ordered him to get his eyes checked. “You didn’t see da d-man on yer left ‘and side when you drop da pass???!!!??”

  • Dirtysweetness

    Dillion(RFA), Eakin (RFA), Chaission

    • Spoons

      That’s horrible! NOOOO!

      • Dirtysweetness

        That’s equivalent to 2 first round pics and Eakin whom is a 3rd round pick.

    • Sensnation

      I think Sens want Nichushkin instead of Eakin in that deal. I’m not sure there’s a middle ground between the two.

    • Andrews theory

      i’ll take that deal.

  • Pasky

    any stream to BM announcement?

    • CaMo

      What announcement?

      • esk

        lol

    • Hax

      not an “announcement” – it’s his media availability.

      • Pasky

        oh lol kk… wait for quotes i suppose?

        • CaMo

          Gonna be a whole lot of same old same old. Maybe some RFA news at most.

        • Brock

          You can listen to it on TSN 1200. Not sure if it will be live but they will have the audio.

          • jimmyjohnson

            If anybody is listening, can we get a play-by-play? I’m sure it will be mostly the same stuff we’ve heard but today has been a slow news day

  • Brock

    Bob McKenzie @TSNBobMcKenzie
    Eric Gryba agrees to 2-year deal with OTT. $1.2M and $1.3M.

    • Sandy

      Up next Lehner.
      Sounds like this Spezza deal is not happening anytime soon,

      • Hannibal

        That is fine. He will be more valuable at the trade deadline where more teams will be desperate in their preparations for the playoffs. Murray should not short change the team for the sake of a lower end draft pick and other teams duds.

    • Sensnation

      Very nice term and money. We will know who he is by the end of this.

    • ill district

      great signing. Oil would have gave him 3! as a third pairing guy – this is a textbook signing.

    • Pasky

      Good for a bottom pairing guy. So unless we see a defenceman traded away then I guess Ceci plays in the minors next year.

      • Hax

        Nah Ceci is our second pairing RD. We’ll move a guy out or play Boro in the minors.

  • Rafi Bomb

    “AJ Jakubec ‏@AJonSports 6m
    More
    Bryan Murray says there have been more calls than they usually get. Say one GM brought up a name that hasn’t come up before. #Sens”

    This could be good news

  • SensChirp
  • KJ

    Gryba Signs