Murray Speaks Ahead of the Draft (Hoffman Signs)

SensChirp June 19, 2014 637
Murray Speaks Ahead of the Draft (Hoffman Signs)

(UPDATE 10:05 AM)- A signing to pass along from this morning’s media availability.  Restricted free agent forward Mike Hoffman has come to terms with the Senators on a one year, two way deal.  A little bit surprised to see Hoffman take another two way deal but obviously he wasn’t in a situation where he had a ton of leverage.  As of now, it seems like Hoffman will have a spot with the NHL team next season.

The NHL Draft is now just 8 days away and rumours continue to swirl around Bryan Murray and the Ottawa Senators.

With teams calling about his Captain, this figures to be a tense weekend for Murray and his staff. While they don’t currently have a pick in Friday night’s first round, there have been plenty of rumours suggesting Murray may have one before the selections start a little over a week from now.

Murray and his staff held their usual pre-draft media availability and had some interesting things to say about what fans can expect over the next week or so. In addition to the Spezza situation, the free agency window opens on June 25th with teams officially able to sign guys beginning on July 1. When you add the RFAs the team still has to sign and a few UFAs to be that can start to talk extension- this will certainly be a busy next couple weeks.

Here’s some of what Bryan Murray had to say today…

-As expected, Murray indicated that there are currently ongoing discussions with certain teams about a Jason Spezza trade.  He didn’t seem to be overly excited about the potential return in the deal but suggested that two teams are serious in their pursuit.  And in an interesting development, Murray said that he will not allow teams to talk to Spezza about an extension until the deal is done.

-Despite the assumption that a deal has to be done before the start of the season, Murray seemed to suggest that this isn’t a situation where he feels he HAS to make a trade.  Murray said this is different than the situation with Heatley and that he’ll only make a deal if he’s getting what he wants in return.

-Murray had good things to say about negotiations with Milan Michalek and seemed optimistic that they can get a deal done.

  • Dirk-Diggler

    This trade is going to be a disaster if Murray keeps talking about it. Every time he does he wants less and less back…

    • Tooks

      Well he said he doesnt have to trade Spezza IF he doesnt get close to what he wants.

      My thoughs on this are Spezza is ok playing 1 more year in OTT IF Murray cant find him another team. They probably have this understanding and Murray will move Spezza IF he can get what he wants.

      • SENSible Voice

        I sure hope you are right but I doubt it otherwise the trade demand would have stayed between Spezza and BM.

      • Murray_is_a_GENIUS

        I dunno Tooks, you’re a genius and so on but it’s going to be an absolute circus around here if Spezza plays as Senator and his trade value will suck if he gets traded with 5 months left on his contract…
        TOOKS100% OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • AutoTurris

    Hoffman! Finally, a signing!

    • Pasky

      I’m surprised it’s a 2-way, any details on how much?

      • sbs138

        I’m not surprised…he hasn’t done a lot to prove he is a full time NHLer. he’s still got some work to do.

        • Pasky

          True but I figured he did enough for a 1-way 650k contract or something like that. Especially considering how weak we are on the left side right now.

          • sbs138

            listening to the Murray interview, he said they were both ok with the 2-way and they figure he would never clear waivers. if he doesn’t make the Sens out of camp, he will definitely be picked up by another team. make of break time for Hoffy.

          • jmikel

            He might very well get picked up on waivers because of that two-way deal

          • Sandy

            Buffalo would grab him first.

  • FistsofNeil25

    Wonder what the terms of Hoffy’s extension are?

  • Doc

    Why not let teams talk to Spezza about a possible extension? What purpose does that serve?

    • CUP 2014-15

      Great question, I was thinking the same thing. All I can come up with is that ego’s will prevail and most teams believe that they can convince him to sign. That way BM doesn’t have Spezz nixing deals.

      • Doc

        It just seems a bit counter-productive.

        • CUP 2014-15

          I agree

        • C.J.

          Im guessing he said this because he doesnt want other teams to feel like the only way a deal works for them is if they can sign an extension, if that makes sense

    • Hax

      I take that as 100% he’ll allow it but first he wants to get a serious offer. i.e. Tell me what you’ll give me assuming you can work out an extension. Instead of just saying “sure here’s his number” to every GM.

      Typical negotiation – you say something is off the table so you can negotiate it back on the table.

      • Doc

        True, it’s just a bit odd since this week it was made public that he would allow interested teams to talk to Spezza, and now he goes back on that decision.

        Probably posturing.

        • Hax

          Yeah when you listed to a GM talk it’s like a guy talking about his hand in poker – can’t take anything literally and GMs often outright lie if they think it will help them.

          • Doc

            And Murray’s one of the best in that regard.

      • peetypuck

        Murray’s playing poker in the Spezza situation. He knows that there are a few teams that really want him. He’s just raising the stakes.

    • Tooks

      Not sure? This is a bit odd, I cant think of why he wouldnt let team neg with Spezza before signing? What harm can it do?

      Just another bizarro move…

      • ProudSens

        What if Spezza no to an extension? The said team would diminish their offer or simply walk away

    • SENSible Voice

      Wondering if that means Spezza told BM which team he wants to go to but those teams aren’t the ones eagerly pursuing him. While that may allow you to trade him to another team where he doesn’t intend to re-sign, it will impact the return. Not good news whichever way you look at it.

    • whammer44

      I assume its just BM posturing. If he has a good deal on the table and Team X says we need to talk to Jason…pretty sure it’ll happen

    • Senatollah

      it could depend on the length of the deal and if the team making the trade wants the Sens to sign Spezza first then trade him. Could be an 8 year deal vs 7, to lower the cap hit, but could if i recall cost the sens in long term cap recapture penalties if the full term of deal is not met. just a thought

    • Brock

      If a team is talking to Spezza about a contract, and the team doesn’t like the contract Spezza is asking, it could cancel out the trade altogether. I think this could be it but I’m not sure.

  • Hax

    I thought that guy who was dating the girl who worked at GNC said Hoffman was gone. And now he’s signed another 2-way deal?

    • Zelle

      It was a guy who talked to Hoffman’s supposed gf, saying Hoffman was getting confused about what the team wanted from him. A two way where he has to clear waivers… he’ll be with the Senators all year imo.

      • Tooks

        Well damn I hope so otherwise he’s gone for nothing.

  • Tooks

    I dont see this as being good for the Sens, Hoffman is probably upset at this. A 1 year, when Greening’s and Condra’s get more years…

    • FistsofNeil25

      He still has to clear waivers if we’re to send him down. If he’s truly an NHL player he will stick with the Sens or be picked up by another team. It’s a smart move for the team to offer him a two way. If he doesn’t stick with the Sens and no one claims him on waivers, he’ll be paid an AHL salary in the minors instead of a NHL salary.

      Hoffman still hasn’t shown that he has what it takes to be a full time NHLer.

      • sbs138

        agree 100%. Hoffman still has a lot of work to do. maybe this is the year though.

      • Tooks

        So this is a budgetary move? Got it…

        • Pasky

          Is this the B word my mom told me not to say when I was a kid? It always hurts my feelings when I hear it :)

        • FistsofNeil25

          Isn’t everything a budgetary move?

        • Senatollah

          hahaha, you kill me.
          So Hoffman shows up to camp out of shape he should be rewarded in the minors with a full NHL wage? the team makes a smart business decision and you want to spin it to budgetary moves?

  • SensChirp

    @AJonSports- Randy Lee says they see Curtis Lazar’s best fit as a winger. #Sens

    • Doc

      Called it!

    • AutoTurris

      No word on Cakes?

    • FistsofNeil25

      Makes sense.

    • TookieIs100PercentRight

      Well duh, they’re out Hemsky so there’s a roster spot to fill, and Lazar is on an entry-level. In other news, the NHL operates in 30 different cities and they compete for the Stanley Cup. :p

  • Tooks

    Ongoing discussions = listening to offers? I win!

  • Max2166

    Bryan Murray will get better offers closer to the draft next Friday. If a team really wants to have Spezza, they have will have to give something in return.

  • sbs138

    personally, I hope we keep Spezza, have a great season next year, Eugene finally starts to put some money into the team, and Spez resigns to stay with the Sens. wishing thinking, I know. its a lot to hope for.

    • Doc

      I also hope to one day take Scarllet Johanson on a date, but I know it won’t happen.

      • sbs138

        aim high my friend. while I think she’s gorgeous, her dating Sean Penn for a short time really brings down her appeal.

        • Doc

          She will be mine… Oh yes… She will be mine.

          • peetypuck

            And Eugene’s pharma-company will make sure that you keep her.

        • ProudSens

          No, it gives us simple folks a chance if her standards aren’t that high. On looks anyways! Haha

      • Tooks

        Asking celebrities to go to the prom via Twitter or Instagram or whatever seems to be the going fad.

        Give it a shot, even if it aint your Prom, or your 45….just a late graduate is all…

      • Dirk-Diggler

        I’d need Viagra to spend a night with her… :)

        What I mean is that she’s the perfect woman, I would never last…

      • C.J.

        she is the female bobby ryan, go look it up it cant be unseen hahaha

    • Samuel Benzaquen

      sooooo, are you the guy who said NO TRADE in the predictions?

      • sbs138

        no not me, I didn’t submit a prediction. like I said, I only hope that we keep Spezza, but I think he’s as good as gone. listening to Murray interview now, he says that he hopes Mika becomes the #1 centre.

      • Sicilian

        He may be right

  • Dirk-Diggler

    As much as I like BM, letting 2 captains go in back to back seasons is on him. If he makes this team worse after this off season then he needs to go. A management change (and ownership) would be a blessing for this organization.

    • Zelle

      Didn’t he just sign an extension?

      • Dirk-Diggler

        Yup… It was a mistake… should have passed the torch to Tim and Bryan took an advisory role like what’s happening in Chicago with the Bowmans

    • Brutus5247

      Really, of the group of Spezza, Neil, Phillips, and Alfie, Alfie’s the only one who really played a solid 2 way game and was at the end of his career and wanted too much.

    • sbs138

      I really don’t know if you can blame Murray for either. we don’t know all the details, only speculation, but it sounds like Aflie never made a counter offer. Murray has nothing to do with the owners unwillingness to spend money, which is rumoured to be why Spezza has asked to have a trade explored or Spezza feeling he’s had enough of being the fall guy.

    • 010101111101010101010101010101

      MELNYK is the reason DA11 left !!!!!!!!!!!

  • FistsofNeil25

    The lads on TSN1200 are asking Bryan some solid questions. Pretty good interview so far.

    • Doc

      Gotta love Lloydy.

    • AutoTurris

      Indeed, Bm keeps saying we won’t win the deal. Is that to brace the fans or is that in a way letting teams know that BM thinks highly of Spezza?

      • Doc

        I think it’s more in regards to his offensive production.

        Let’s say we get a mid level roster player and a prospect. For sure we lose the trade initially, but in the long run we might be a better team for it.

        • Pasky

          Agreed. The day of the Heatley trade we lost it big time, but now Heatley was traded to Minnesota for Havlat and neither players are any good, while Michalek as been at least good for the Sens, with an awesome season in between. And since the trade Heatley and Havlat had 213 points for the Sharks, while Michalek’s had 180 points, although Michalek’s Cap hit is 4.3M while Heatley was 7.5M and Havlat was 5M. So in hindsight this trade is actually not that bad for the Sens.

    • xN1Cx

      Loved the comment made about Spezza’s thoughts on the Heatley move.

      • sbs138

        I missed that part of the interview, what did he say?

        • xN1Cx

          Said that when Heatley left Jason Spezza did an interview and expresses something like:
          “We know Dany wants out. He should really try to help this team by working with management to get the best deal possible. Lloyd alluded that Spezza has strong character and would work with Murray to get a deal done that would help the Sens moving forward (if it worked for him)

          • sbs138

            helluva guy, that’s why he the Captain. still thinking about the team.

          • xN1Cx

            Let’s hope Murray holds him to that mantra :)

    • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

      Seems to be thinking the list isn’t in stone… Like that

      Back tracked on saying it was about money spent on the team… Don’t believe that for a second

      • SENSible Voice

        Like I’ve been telling you guys for the last few days… list means little. Money talks.

        • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

          Most have agreed about this though.

  • whammer44

    Sounds like Milan may be back after all

    • AutoTurris

      Never thought I would say this but woo

      • Tooks

        Ahh crap, No-Knees for a few more seasons…This really pains me, really wanted Ryan to get his #9…

    • FistsofNeil25

      It would be a short term deal according to BM.

  • Samuel Benzaquen

    “hoffman will never clear waivers” if hoffman doesn’t work then they are going to let him.

    • SENSible Voice

      They said the same about Da Costa.

  • whammer44

    Love BM’s candor about wishing he had given Mac a 4 yr deal

  • xN1Cx

    Like his faith in Zibby too. Thinkin’ he could vault Turris as the number 1

  • FistsofNeil25

    Murray says he loves Turris as a #2 and thinks that Zibanejad might leapfrog Turris as the teams #1C in a year or two.

    • sbs138

      I hope so too. love Turris, but he is just a little too small, great player though.

    • Hax

      That’s also an open challenge of sorts to both guys. I’m sure Murray wants both guys to be fighting for the 1C spot – though I bet he’d love to slide someone ahead of both guys if he could.

      • Doc

        That’s what I took out of it too.

      • Tooks

        Yep good way to interpet that. Both guys are a bit on the weaker side of a 1C so he’s kinda hoping one stands out more than the other. Odd that he actually picked Zibby over Turris tho, would have just said both have a shot at it.

        Kinda awkward for Zib and Turris next time they see each other.

    • SENSible Voice

      I don’t think he should have said that. That could easily be misinterpreted as the GM not believing you have what it takes to be a #1 center from Turris POV.

      • FistsofNeil25

        Did you hear exactly what he said though? He said he believes that Turris is close to matching up against any center in the league. He basically gave a vote of confidence to both players but suggested that Zibanejad could potential leap frog Turris.

        • xN1Cx

          Exactly! I thought he phrased it very well.

        • SENSible Voice

          I admit I didn’t hear the interview… just going by what was commented. In any case, if he said he thinks Zibby might become our #1 center in a year or two, he still shouldn’t have said it. Let the players battle it out.

        • Tooks

          Come on man…If you really fell for that then Murray just played you for a fool. You think Turris can actually match up with the best Centres in the game? He’s not even proved he can play 1C yet…

          He will have his chance this year but damn, he aint clse at all to being matched up vs the best…

          • FistsofNeil25

            Depends on your interpretation of what matching up against them means. I don’t take it as him being as good as the top centers in the league, I take it as Turris can go head to head against any of them without getting eaten alive.

          • Tooks

            Maybe not eaten alive but he definitely loses all the match ups vs the top. I agree he has what it takes but we aint getting a 1C back in return for Spezza so Turris has no choice but to play 1C, he will struggle and be on the losing end of most match ups but thats to be expected. Zib would lose even more match ups were he the 1C right now.

            Thats why I hope we get a 2C back, even Spezza would do, demote him to 2C and Turris 1C and Zib 3C.

    • Tooks

      Thats BM pumping his players tires…I cant see that happening at all.

      • FistsofNeil25

        Sometimes you guys need to stop thinking that there’s a hidden message in everything Murray says and just take it for what it is.

        • aegiszx

          I dont get whats so unbelievable about that? I said when we drafted Zibby that he’s gonna be a no.1C… Anything less than top 6 and he’s a bust. People saying hes gonna be Mike Fisher 2.0 LOL yea… I hope NOT!

          • sbs138

            why not? Fish was still a good player that could score 25 and was solid defensively.

          • Tooks

            Well he didnt exactly imporove much in his 2nd full season while playing the exact same role. To label him a #1C he would have atleast shown great improvement. Zibby was always projected to be a 3C and possibly maxing out as a 2C.

          • peetypuck

            You listen to the Toronto media too much.

          • Tooks

            Dont need to listen to any media, those are factual stats.

          • sbs138

            but he’s still only 20 and we all knew he wasn’t Crosby. he doesn’t have that kind of support either.

          • ProudSens

            let him play with quality players first and then we can gage where he fits.

    • Doc

      He might be right. Zibby is already a possession wizard at the age of 20. Has the size, good speed, good hands, and plays a complete game.

      I think fans don’t appreciate the kid enough. If we don’t get another center back in a trade, I absolutely feel comfortable having him as our 2C.

      • eh?

        where does he comparre to M. Sundin?

        • Doc

          Not sure I get the comparison?

          • eh?

            could he have a career similar to Sundin? which would be great.

          • Doc

            I doubt that, Sundin will be a hall of famer for sure. I don’t think it would be fair to compare Zibby to him.

            That being said, I think Zibby will become a really good player for us, one who competes hard every shift and plays a complete game.

    • Pasky

      I would love to see what he can do with Ryan on his wing. Talk about size and skill, and since Stone showed some chemistry with Turris and MacArthur it wouldn’t be a bad idea to spread the scoring a bit.

  • SensChirp

    Bryan Murray always makes me feel better about things. Always so calm and matter of fact about things.

    • FistsofNeil25

      That was an excellent interview. Loved his honestly. He spared us any sarcasm and just gave really thoughtful responses.

    • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

      Agree.. Don’t necessarily agree with his reasons for Spezza… But other than that great interview

    • Doc

      He’s like our Grandpa.

      Always has sound advice.

    • KJ

      he has seen it all. nothing surprises him.

    • Murray_is_a_GENIUS

      It’s quite the opposite for me. He comes off looking confused, unsure of what he’s looking for and overcome by events. I can’t wait until Dorion fills his shoes so we can have someone with a more authoritative tone in there.

  • SensChirp

    I zoned out for a second there but Murray did make kind of an interesting comment about Alfredsson saying, “I think he’s still happy there (in Detroit)”

  • AusieSen

    Is there a link available for the interview?

  • SensChirp
  • FistsofNeil25

    I don’t know why anyone would be that shocked when Murray says that Zibanejad could potentially leapfrog Turris in a year or two. Turris emerged as one of the best second line centers in the league at the age of 23, but if you compare Zibanejad and Turris’ career numbers head to head at every age, Zibanejad out-produces Turris.

    • Zelle

      I honestly don’t care who is #1 and who is #2 as long as we have two strong lines.

      • peetypuck

        I guess that means that Murray intends to go with Turris and Zibby as his #1 and 2 centres.

        • Hax

          More fan management. It’s unlikely we get a top 6 center back in the Spezza deal and he’s making sure nobody expects one.

          • peetypuck

            Yup.

          • Brutus5247

            OK Spezza( Top 3 1 way center) for top 6(two way center). Can’t see it happening in todays game where defence is paramount. I’m not a GM but a businessman and I can’t see another team doing it unless the player comes with some serious baggage.

          • ProudSens

            Lets wait and see. he’s working on it.

        • Zelle

          I’m OK with that. But I’m also OK if they don’t make the playoffs next season given all these big changes. All I want is a plan from management and not to hear about the fucking budget anymore.

          • peetypuck

            We’re all tired of Melnyk talking about the budget.

          • FistsofNeil25

            100% agree. I don’t care about the playoffs as long as the message is that they’re trying to be patient and develop a good foundation. It’s just aggravating to hear Melnyk get in front of a mic and say he expects to make the playoffs every year and that anything less is unacceptable, and spewing his cost per point bullshit.

      • peetypuck

        Turris had his breakout year this season. I’m hoping Zibby has his breakout next season and starts to show us what he can do.

    • Dirk-Diggler

      I love Turris, but if Zibanejad outplays him I’d super happy. That just means we have a good 1, 2 punch.

    • http://@CARLOSwSPECR1 CARLOSwSPECR1

      Only thing though is, Turris was underutilized in Pheonix. Turris was constantly forced to play on the 4th line, all the way to the day he was traded to Ottawa. (Hence Turris wanting a trade out of Pheonix.) Ottawa was more lenient on Zibanejad. He was actually given an oppurtunity to play on the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd line, and given more Avg TOI.

      Overall, I think we have a good healthy competition between the 2. Let’s not forget, Turris was a top-ranked N. American Skater before the draft, and drafted 3rd overall. He’s not a bust by any means.

    • Tooks

      Yes cuz Zib has played vs lesser comp…
      I dont dislike Zib, IMO he aint rdy to be 2C let alone 1C in a year or 2.

      • FistsofNeil25

        Zib played vs lesser competition at every age in their careers?

        • Tooks

          I’m only talking NHL career, who cares about before, its not relevant.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Neither am I but I’m calling complete bullshit. There’s no way Turris faced tougher competition at the age of 19 than Zibanejad did last year.

            Don’t bullshit me Tookie.

            Even this year at the age of 20, Zibanejad faced tougher competition. Guess how many NHL games Turris played at the age of 20? He didn’t play in any.

          • Tooks

            Yes thats why its irrelevant, one guy played and the other didnt, cant compare.

            This year Zib played vs 3rd liners. Turris played half 2nd liners and half 1st liners. You can compare that.

          • FistsofNeil25

            LOL okay man. My original post said if you compare their numbers at each age head to head, Zibanejad has been further ahead than Turris. This is a fact.

            You can use the same exact argument in your Galchenyuk VS Zibanejad comparison. Galchenyuk has been further ahead at every age than Zibanejad.

            Murray never said that next season Zibanejad will be better than Turris, but based on how each player has developed individually you could suggest that in a couple years Zibanejad could be the more productive player.

          • Tooks

            You are the only one comparing age/season. If Zib is better than Turris at 20 then why the hell is Turris 1C/2C and Zib still 3C. Even the speculated depth charts have Turris ahead of Zib as 1C and Zib 2C. And if we get a 2C back Zib goes 3C while Turris would remain 1C-2C depending.

            And this goes as far back as his draft year, Zib is not a 1C, he’s never been a 1C (maybe before he was 15), he’ll never be a 1C, thats not a knock on him at all, I think he’s gonna be a good 2C eventually but not a great one.

          • FistsofNeil25

            You have the speculated depth charts for the 2015/2016 season and beyond? How did you get your hands on that? Care to share a link or are you just talking out of your ass to support your weak argument?

          • Tooks

            Not official depth charts you dork but media driven or fan made, all the same speculated..Nowhere does anyone have Zib as 1C. Even down the road in 5 years, Zib aint a 1C period.

          • FistsofNeil25

            media driven depth charts or fan made depth charts for 5 years down the road? Shiiiit man where have you seen those?

          • Tooks

            Its called foreshadowing…

            I’m just saying nobody BUT the Sens expect Zib to be this teams future #1C.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Well if we’re foreshadowing I’ll say that McDavid will be the Sens 1C in no more than 3 years from now :)

          • CaMo

            I don’t know why you don’t think Zbad has the ability to be a 1C in a few years time. If he boosts his numbers a bit (this is happen as he matures for sure) he certainly can do it. No argument for me here. The guy has the tools , period.

          • Tooks

            Thats exactly what he said…in a year or 2…

          • FistsofNeil25

            Yeah a year or two – meaning beyond this upcoming season.

          • Tooks

            Exactly, do you see Zbad being better than Turris in a year? He’s possibly still going to be 3C in a year or 2 depending what we get for Spezza.

            Even if Zib plays 2C this year, he will struggle, Turris is already a proven 2C.

          • FistsofNeil25

            If you go back to my original post I never said I see Zbad being better than Turris at any age. I really don’t know who will end up being the more productive player. I personally think they both have the potential to be great #2 centers but I’m not sure about being a legit #1. I guess it all depends on what kind of production you expect from your first line center.

            What my original post said was that it isn’t shocking for Murray to say that in a year or two, Zibanejad could leap frog Turris as the #1C on the team. I wouldn’t be surprised if that happen, considering that Zibanejad has been a better and more productive player at each age head to head vs Turris.

            Now I’m not saying that Zibanejad will develop into a legit #1C in the NHL, but it consider it very possible that he ends up being a more productive offensive player than Turris which would make him this teams #1C.

          • Tooks

            Alright dude, I respect your opinion but obvioulsy we will debate till one of us dies!! lol

            I dont see Zib as a 1C, ever, its just not in his potential.

            Lets just be happy we have both Zib and Turris. :)

          • SENSible Voice

            It doesn’t matter who was better at 20 or whatever. BM said Zibby could surpass Turris in 2 years time, that is a fixed length of time. The starting point is now. As it stands, Turris is a better all-around player than Zibby and if he is to take over the #1 C from him, he needs to improve alot. Turris has great vision on the ice. The only thing he lacks is size. Zibby reminds me of Michalek. Nothing flashy but a great piece when at his best. If I have to pick between the two, I take Turris over Zibby.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Right now I would as well but why would Murray say that he could see Zibanejad surpassing Turris if he didn’t actually believe it. He has honestly nothing to gain by saying that.

          • SENSible Voice

            Exactly why I question him even saying such a thing. Nothing to be gained by doing so.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Other than the fact that maybe that’s the way he actually feels? No way – Murray couldn’t have just been honest with us?

          • FBP

            Just generating some internal competition. Motivating Turris to prove him wrong.

          • Tooks

            No he doesnt, which is why people are like WTF, why did he say that. Murray has some hiccups every now and then, I blame it on his age!

      • Don Ciccio

        But Galchenyuk will be?

        • Tooks

          Well he’s younger and already has a year of playing 2nd LW and probably be given a shot at 2C or even 1C this year with Desharnais in the dog house.

          • Doc

            Doubt it. They want to bring him back at Center at some point, but Desharnais had a great playoffs is pretty much still a lock as 1C with Max Pac.

            Pleks will still be 2C in my opinion. No need to rush the kid.

          • Tooks

            Oh I know, but the fact that he’s already top 6, its just a matter of time before Plek goes or Desharnais gets demoted.

            He is a future 1C, unlike Zib.

          • Doc

            Your last statement is debatable, but I agree that he’s got the tools to be a really good player.

          • CaMo

            Only time will tell. I think both are good players. Zib will get his shot at 1C eventually if he keeps developing, he’s big , fast, and skilled with a nice shot. I don’t see how you can be so sure he won’t ever be 1C. I wouldn’t bet on that.

          • Tooks

            My bet is Turris (not that he is a legit 1C, yet), both NOW and in the future, Turris is the better all around player, I dont see that changing drastically and Turris has already proven to be a great 2C. Mika is still figuring things out and 2C will be a huge step for him.

            Zib will have to greatly outplay Turris to take the 1C away and I dont see that happening anytime soon.

      • Aaron 2.0

        Really? My understanding was Turris was often burried in PHO? Either way, players’ development curves can be so different, and the two players played for very different clubs when they broke into the league. A head-to-head comparison of points doesn’t do a whole lot for me.

  • Samuel Benzaquen

    For anyone wondering about the development camp schedule or how its working out there is this article:

    http://theahl.com/crunch-senators-to-hold-camp-in-lyon-p192532

    • Tooks

      Thats Binghampton training camp not Sens Dev Camp held here in Ottawa.

  • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

    So how long until melnyk calls in and enrages the fans again?!?

    Murray did a great job calming people(although still maintain it was a lot of damage control and cover up)… I give it a week before melnyk messes up again

    • Brutus5247

      Truly, Melnyk should let BM do the talking. He is an excellent communicator and is usually politically correct. He comes across as a straight shooter. He is believable.

    • Zelle

      Had I been in BM’s shoes, I would have included in my contract that Melnyk can no longer talk to the media about anything other than who he’s hiring and such. No more budget bs, no more insulting the organization, and no more insulting other teams.

  • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

    Also to the wonderful poster who claims the fans haven’t ran anyone out of town… Team 1200 just said that that is basically 98% of why Spezza wants out

    • Dirk-Diggler

      Well, the media too…

      • Brutus5247

        Fans want a complete player, not just a guy who plays 160ft. When you play 5 on 4 even strength in your own zone because one guy has his own agenda up fans see this.

        • eh?

          As center you are usually required to cover defensively in the slot and behind the goal line, and still get up the ice. That 40% is very important especially with weak or questionable defense. Spezza is a great player but the team’s playbook atm doesn’t fit his game well.

    • 010101111101010101010101010101

      TURD 1200 you say ?
      The radio station that hires the likes of Jerkoff Jim, Dumb Donald, Scumbag Steve …..

    • Zelle

      If he can’t take it in Ottawa that’s pretty bad. It’s not like we twitter attacked his wife or anything…

  • Pasky

    So with BM discussing Turris and Zibanejad being #1C on this team, we can almost guarantee he isn’t targeting a Top 6 Centre in the trade. So hopefully that means that Berglund is out of the deal. And Shattenkirk was the other big piece discussed, but since St-Louis is targeting Spezza for offense and to improve the PP then I would think they want to keep him as a PP specialist. Just food for thought as to what other piece St-Louis is willing to part with.

    • Doc

      The more I think about it, the main piece coming back will probably be a high-end prospect, packaged with either a pick or a mid-level roster player.

      • SensChirp

        I think they really want Jaden Schwartz. Just don’t think it’s gonna happen.

        • Doc

          Seems like he’s the main target for sure. Might have to add on our end.

          Murray did say that one of the ‘serious’ team had an offer that was in-line with what he asked for, so I’m curious to know which team it is.

          • SensChirp

            Did he say that? I think he said they weren’t in line. That he made offers to two teams and one countered with something that wasn’t in line with what they were asking for.

          • Doc

            You’re right, I apologize.

            I clearly heard that they ARE in-line, but I just listened to it a few more times (volume way up) and it seems that he say they weren’t, but that he’s working with them.

            My guess is that it’s St-Louie.

          • AutoTurris

            That’s strange, I heard him say that they were in-line but I will also re-listen

          • Doc

            That was definitely my first impression too. It’s hard to hear it properly.

        • Don Ciccio

          There is a guy on Yost’s blog who goes by Cup 06 who seems to be connected somehow says that the player that Murray said he would trade one for one is an RFA at the moment but he wouldn’t say who it was because he doesn’t want to jinx it……..I am hoping that this player may be ROR but I would assume Ottawa would have to give up something else to get him.

          • Doc

            Schwartz is also a RFA.

          • Don Ciccio

            I would be over joyed if we got either player……Didn’t know that Schwartz was an RFA as well.

          • Doc

            Indeed, I would too. Both are far fetched scenarios, but awesome acquisitions if remotely possible.

          • Tooks

            That would be pretty decent!
            Makes us smaller but oh well!

          • Doc

            Guy’s legit though.

          • Sandy

            I would be happy with a 1 for 1 for Schwartz.

        • Sandy

          No, they probably want to send the injured Berglund.

  • Mitchell

    Myself aswel have always pictured Zibanejad as a number one center. The speed, skill and size. And now gainning experience he’ll leapfrog with no doubt. Even when I pencil lines out I always have Zibanejad at 1 and Turris at 2. But Turris can take it and hopefully Zibanejad will gain it through healthy competition.

    • Mat

      So far, I’m not seeing it to be honnest. I’m seeing a potential 2A 2B scenario between MZ93 and KT7… It would be nice to one day have a 1 2A 2B & 3 down the middle.

  • BackinOTT

    Great interview from Murray. He always plays his cards well as other people have mentioned but he is also one of the few GMs that actually answers questions when he’s asked. He gave a ton of info in that short interview.
    I read other posters discussing that he won’t let teams negotiate with Spezza but my understanding of exactly what he said was that he’s not just going to let any team with any offer on the table start negotiating with Spezza. Instead what he said was that when the deal was done he would let them speak. To me this means once an offer is put in that makes sense to the Sens, even if the trade isn’t finalized, Bryan will then let the team negotiate with him. Totally different than pulling the ability to negotiate right off the tabel completely.

    • FistsofNeil25

      I wouldn’t allow other teams to talk to Spezza either. There’s more risk there than reward in my opinion. Say Anaheim puts a good deal on the table for Spezza and then we allow them to talk to Spezza’s agent and they get turned off or scared away by Spezza’s contract demands.

      I think we all imagine that Spezza’s looking for as much money and term as possible.

  • Mat

    Great interview indeed. Two things I would have liked to know:
    1- Is the organisation targetting a forward as the experience player that will be part of the package? Or a D? Or is it the best player available? There was mention that Bryan made pitches to other teams so I’m guessing they know what they are after.
    2- When Steve asked the question: Will you be active at Free Agency? and the statment “obviously depending on what happens with Jason Spezza” he didn’t answer the question. They went on a tangent of how great the MacArthur pick up was. Its still quite unclear what their intentions might be with regards to July 1st.

  • Doc

    Hope_Smoke ‏@Hope_Smoke 2m
    Kypreos reporting that he hears TB is interested in Spezza

    • A-Train

      Murray must have mentioned talking to Stevie Y about 5 times in that interview…

      • Doc

        Yeah, heard that too. Might be on to something.

        If that’s the case, what players could he be targeting? I’ll go check their RFA list for kicks.

        • Doc
        • FistsofNeil25

          Not sure what Tampa has to offer. I’m guessing Stamkos, Drouin, Johnson, Palat, and Hedman are all their untouchables.

          • CaMo

            Drouin is likely untouchable. Someone like Palat is in our wheel house though I would say. What do you guys think f Radko Gudas?

          • KJ

            Drouin is a prospect and as such is unproven. Yes, likely going to be a good if not great player. He would be exactly the kind of target I would be looking for in a Spezza trade. BM says he wants to help the team short term and in the long term. he is not getting Jason’s points back in this trade, but if he can get a top prospect like Drouin it would help the team for sure.

    • FistsofNeil25

      I was wondering that when Murray said he talked to Yzerman the other day lol Kypreos probably heard that and is now reporting it as an official rumor

      • Sandy

        It was probably nothing but a chat at the GM meetings.

    • Spoons

      Spezza for Bishop. Straight up! lol

    • CaMo

      Jonathan Drouin? Richard Panik?

      • Spoons

        Don’t need Panik, we have enough of that as it is… ;)

        • CaMo

          True I think i had him confused with Palat.

      • Doc

        Drouin is as untouchable as Stamkos. Panik doesn’t seem to be that great of a prospect.

    • Spoons

      Being in the same division, the price would be higher than a deal with STL or ANA

    • FistsofNeil25

      Damn considering Tampa is one of the only teams in the east that I don’t mind, it would be pretty cool to see a line of Palat-Spezza-Stamkos. They moved Stamkos over to the win when he came back from injury last year with Johnson as his center. Imagine the damage him and Spezza could do on the score sheet.

    • Jakester

      Palat and Connelly – Go Murray!

    • Doc

      The most interesting thing about making a trade with Tampa is that they have two first rounders in 2014, and another two in 2015.

      • Hax

        Yeah I’d love to get their first for 2015 (or the other one they hold – NYR?)

        • Doc

          Yeah, came from the St-Louis trade.

      • Sandy

        … and Ben Bishop.
        Spezza & Anderson to Tampa for Bishop & ?????

    • Sandy

      Who in the hell is Hope Smoke other than a Leaf fan?

  • Jason P.

    After hearing Murray today i cant stop thinking about this top 6:

    Oshie – Zibanejad – Ryan
    MacArthur – Turris – Stone

    I kind of agree of with Murray about Zibby becoming a number 1 center. This year at times i often thought of a yound Kopitar when I watched him. Obviously Oshie is who I hope Murray is trying to go after and his comments about possibly going 1 for 1 if the player coming back is good enough makes me think its not as impossible as some of you may insist. Just trying to kill time between now and the draft and hope for the best.

    • Spoons

      I prefer the 1 for 1 type deal. All of a sudden we’re talking about Oshie. Wasn’t too exciting talking about Berglund +.

  • SensChirp

    Video of the media availability added above, courtesy of SensTV

  • CaMo

    All this speculation is hurting my head.

  • FistsofNeil25

    Pierre Dorion – “Colin Greening will likely get a look in our top six next season”

    • Jason P.

      Talking him up for a trade?

      • Pasky

        I hope to Christ that’s all it is, otherwise it’s no honor for Connor

    • CaMo

      Holy shit. It’s like Peter Regin 2.0. How many looks can a guy get?

      • aegiszx

        Just think about how many looks SDC, Lee, and Butler got. Its what this organization does…

    • eh?

      likely as in if we don’t sign someone and no one grabs hold of the position he’s played there before and bandaid solution will be used yet again…

    • Aaron 2.0

      Yikes.

    • Zelle

      Well he did last season too. It’s tough to judge a guy based on last season because they all regressed save for like four or five.

      • Sandy

        Agree with that. Let’s this season play out for the guys who really struggled ie Greening & Cowan for sure.

    • sprucesens

      yuck.
      ^^^^
      we’ll assume this wasn’t a typo, but i’ll leave that up to you

    • Rafi Bomb

      They likely had a long discussion with him in the exit interviews. The fact that MacLean scratched him a few times in games that needed a more physical roster is a strong indication that the Senators aren’t to happy with his on ice performance. I think that has likely been made very clear to Greening and my guess is that he is prepared to do what he needs to do to improve as a player.

  • MethotToMyMadness

    Murray always says the right things, happy that hasn’t changed. Nice work!

    Regular Scouting Sens fashion, I liked how BM mentioned they have picks in mind in the 1st and 2nd, regardless of how weak this draft appears. That comment proves further he is requesting a pick in the Spezza deal, which we all have heard is a 1st. But it almost sounds like he would consider a high 2nd, something better than the 40th overall they have now. Two picks in the 2nd wouldn’t be bad for Ottawa with it’s track record.

    Looking at who picks in the 2nd, in order, are Buffalo, Panthers, Blues, Flames, Islanders, Canucks, Hurricanes, Columbus and Buffalo. I think most assume Buffalo is a no go already, then you have the Canadian teams, as well as the Panthers/Islanders/Columbus already out of the mix. So that leaves the Hurricanes and the Blues as teams with a Pick that Ottawa could consider.

    The Blues are already being reported Spezza’s destination of choice, so maybe the 2nd is the pick in play in that scenario? I’d have think it means the player being requested is of higher value than Patrik Berglund. I’d still guess Kevin Shattenkirk, as this team needs to focus on D. If the Sens want a 1st in the deal, I still think the Ducks are a front runner, as it’s possible to get the 10th overall back. But the Hurricans have the 7th overall and the 37th, and are a name we haven’t heard any speculation about, and we know that trades often end up with Teams nobody considered, so that’s something to consider. And what is up with all the Yzerman talk in that interview. Is TB a possible team that has been talking trade?

    Now I’m really wondering who this team is that made an offer, where Murray then told them he’d do a one for one with the younger player coming back. Of all the comments, this one stuck with me the most. Obviously it’s a team not on Spezza’s list, or the conversation wouldn’t even have went that far. Is this where Yzerman comes into it? Who would you take in a one for one with Tampa?

    • Pasky

      A young 1-1 with a young player in Tampa to me would mean Drouin and Hedman, and I would assume both of them are untouchables. Asides from that unless it’s Stamkos (rolls eyes) then I wouldn’t want a 1-1 with them.

      • MethotToMyMadness

        Yeah, I agree. Drouin would be the guy to request, but you’d be hard pressed to make that happen. As much as Palat looked good in his first full season, he’s not proven yet and I almost get the Cory Conacher Cold Chills. Tyler Johnson gives me the same vibe. I’d be looking at a D like Hedman, or even Matt Carle, but I wouldn’t take Carle in a 1 for 1.

        • Andrews theory

          I think tbay will trade flippula for sharp

          Works for both teams

        • Doc

          Never going to happen for Drouin.

          We can all forget about that.

  • Andrews theory

    Here’s what I take from the statement about teams negotiating with Spezza.

    Murray knows where spezza is keen on going to, behind closed doors those teams can talk to him. Publicly he says no because it would immediately remove all but two of the current suitors.

    This ain’t his first time at the rodeo

  • Aaron 2.0

    All I have to say is that interview left me really unsettled about the whole situation. I honestly wonder if holding onto him to start the season might be the better way to go. Send a message that offers need to be better. On the other side, every day a deal is not done, is a day closer to the end of his contract with no return. Scary.

    • Pasky

      Meh, if we start with on the team and he gets a season ending surgery, then the best trade we can do is a 4th round pick for his negotiating rights, then the fans will burn the CTC to the ground. Not to mention other teams won’t wait, so Anaheim would go out and get Kesler while St-Louis could go after Thorton or Marleau.

    • Doc

      Definitely not. Would make things worse and would send the wrong message to the team.

      He played his last game as a Sens, I have no doubts.

      • Aaron 2.0

        I hear what you’re saying, and generally agree the sooner he is out the better. But, on the flip side, we basically got there with Heatley in his situation (offers weren’t great). The only reason he didn’t end up playing with Ottawa to start the season was because Murray basically decided he wasn’t mature enough to handle not yet being traded, and figured he’d be poison. With only a few serious bidders on teams that probably would do okay without adding him, our leverage is horrendous. For the life of me, I’ll never understand why management didn’t keep this quiet. If it looked like they were controlling the situation from the other side, it’d be a far better position.

        • Hax

          Murray has offers that he feels are close to full value. So he’s confident that he’ll get a good deal before camp starts (likely July 1st or soon after.

          • Aaron 2.0

            This has become something that is getting said on here after that interview. But, i’m pretty sure what he said was offers were not in line. His little lisp makes it hard to here sometimes.

          • Hax

            Of course he’s not going to say that he has good offers. He wants every team to offer more.

            What I’m saying is that he’s confident that he’ll get as close to full value as he can get long before camp starts. So keeping him into next season won’t be necessary.

            But again, he’s not going to SAY that he doesn’t want to keep him into next season.

            Negotiating 101

          • Aaron 2.0

            I do get that. I guess the question is this press conference directed towards other teams (to squeeze more out) or to the fans (to lower expectations). The answer is probably both. I’m probably reading too much into that interview, knowing that everything these guys say has other motives. I guess I’m not left too comfortable after that interview with the possible return. But, hopefully, there is a game being played, and I’ll be pleasantly surprised.

    • Rafi Bomb

      I think it is mostly just him sending a message to the interested organizations that they need to offer more.

  • A-Train

    Did Murray or Dorion say something about Lazar being a winger today? Saw this flash by on twitter or maybe here but I can’t find anymore.

    • Zelle

      Yes they see him being a Winger at this point.

      • Pasky

        Lazar-Zib-Ryan as a future #1 line can be pretty scary

        • Zelle

          A top 6 of Lazar, Zib, Ryan, Mac, Turris, and Stone sounds pretty sweet to me.

          • A-Train

            I have to see more of Lazar before calling him top 6 in the NHL.

          • Zelle

            Very true, I guess in my scenario he lives up to his potential ;) as does Stone.

          • Rafi Bomb

            He will be, it is just a question of how long it will take him to get there. He plays a very similar style to Toews and Brown. I don’t know if he will ever be as good as Toews, but he was very highly touted going into his draft year and he scored more points than Crosby and scored more goals than Stamkos in an under 18 tournament so you maybe he could truly be elite at some point.

          • Rafi Bomb

            Our best bet is to get a few other players that are either established top six forwards or can push for spots themselves. That way we have great depth.

          • Zelle

            Agreed on this. Right now we only have four legit top6 in our group (if you include Milo, but he’s probably degrading). Either the young ones step up sooner rather than later or they need to grab a couple more forwards.

        • Don Ciccio

          Dorion said that he see’s Lazar as a RW.

          • Doc

            That’s his more natural position.

            He’s always been listed as a C/RW.

      • A-Train

        That’s great to know. He seems like a kid who likes to get an assignment and nail it. I was worried they’d go down a similar road as they have with Zibanejad (winger? centre?).

        Speaking of which…so happy to hear BM make those comments about Zib. Sending him down last year was the beginning of the disastrous “New Paul” era. Murray knows how to motivate.

        • Zelle

          I think Murray had a lot of nice words to say about our key center pieces (Lazar, Zbad, and Turris) which is really nice to hear. I think the Sens have good pieces, they just need to work together.

    • sprucesens

      yost has it posted too

      • A-Train

        But then I would have to read a Yost post.

        • sprucesens

          its not bad when it doesn’t have stats and stats and more stats. which today is only hockey rumours

          • Doc

            I actually can’t wait for him to start making posts about stats again.

            The other stuff we can get elsewhere. He has his niche, one that is lacking in the Sens blog community.

    • Rafi Bomb

      Randy Lee said it. He also said that Lazar “plays the game right”. So we can use this as the basis for the style of player they will likely be targeting through trades, free agency and the draft.

      • A-Train

        I’m much more comfortable with the idea of Lazar in the NHL this season if he’s on the wing…and they intend to make him a winger long-term.

  • KJ

    we know now that letting Hemsky go to FA is not a budget concern. The money Ales wanted from OTT was not something BM wanted to pay him regardless of any budget imposed by our owner. also, since he is not getting any phone calls for his rights, I would be shocked to see Hemsky get the type of money he is reportedly asking for by any team.

  • AutoTurris

    Here’s a question you have to ask yourself and try to imagine that BM will ask himself; would you have done BR for JS a year ago? If the answer is yes, which is where I’m leaning, just have ANA give Silf, Noesen and the tenth back. I know this won’t go through but I’d rather have our own shit back than the scarps of other teams.

  • sprucesens

    drouin please!! tough to tell where tampa fits into this. are they in win now mode? I guess with stamkos, Johnson, palat, hedman they have a good young core. they add spezza and lose drouin wouldn’t be the end of the world for them. Would certainly be interesting if we tried going that route. Maybe add in Connelly, and then add 2 pieces from our end to even things out or something. dunno. If this happens though, we all lose the contest, but win in hockey!

    • Pasky

      I think maybe Yzerman is just “interested” as a favor to BM for fleecing him in the Bishop trade cause I don’t see a viable deal between the two teams. Generates more interest and maybe try and get St-Louis/Anaheim to up their offers.

      • FistsofNeil25

        I’m sure Tampa is one of the teams that kicked tires on Spezza but aren’t seriously interested.

      • Don Ciccio

        Don’t think he would do that seeing how they are in the same division.

    • Andrews theory

      Tbay considers Drouin an elite talent along with stampkos and hedman

      Only way he leaves is for a guy like karlsson

      Ain’t happening

      • sprucesens

        I don’t doubt it, but if it was karlsson going that way, it’d be stamkos coming back. which neither team would do. Drouin hasn’t proven anything and could turn out to be a elite beast, which we all assume, or he could end up being something much less.

  • TookieIs100PercentRight

    Cool. So Murray is going to blow this by letting it become a huge distraction in training camp, then a distraction during the season and he’ll get next to nothing as a rental.
    Awesome plan Bryan! Man I cannot WAIT until we get Dorion or someone else as GM so they can take firm stances and stick to them, barring massively extenuating circumstances.
    TOOKS100%OUT!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Doc

      So, you’re condemning Murray based on fictitious things that haven’t happened yet.

      Makes sense.

      • Zelle

        Everything makes sense when you’re 100% right.

        • Senatollah

          it sure does, cant wait for my Tookie is Right car flag to get here from Pakistan. Hoping to generate lots of honks

          • Murray_is_a_GENIUS

            Racism isn’t cool man.
            TOOKS100% OUT!!!!!!!!!

        • two to Tootoo too

          LOL – post of the day

      • Hax

        I can only guess who you’re responding to on this one. Makes me glad I have an ignore feature in my browser as it sounds like I’m not missing anything worth reading.

        • spezzerman

          what browser to you have and where can I get one.

          • Hax

            The ignore feature isn’t native to the browser – it’s a custom add-on that I developed specifically for this site.

          • spezzerman

            my cat’s breath smells like cat food.

      • Murray_is_a_GENIUS

        I’m going off what BMurr said. HE mentioned Spezza could still be here in training camp. If he plays unsigned then his trade value will depend on production but he’ll be purely a rental and unlikely to get the “Ryan Package”.
        TOOKS100% OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Sittin’ In the Bleachers

      What’s a Tookie ?

  • Zelle

    Hrm what do you guys think about this line?
    Smith – Pageau – Lazar

    • Doc

      Smith should stay at center, it’s where he does his best work.

      I think it would be something like Hoffman-Pageau-Lazar instead. In the short term, I think Stone will be the RW on that line.

      • Zelle

        With the comments on Greening, the comments on Lazar, and assuming Neil is staying, I’m going to say they’re letting go of Condra, so how about:

        M – T – R
        Greening – Z – Stone
        Hoffman – Smith – Lazar
        ? – Pageau – Neil

        Seem feasible?

      • FistsofNeil25

        Not gonna lie… I prefer the idea of Smith as a winger. He’s not the strongest skater and moving him to the wing gives him less ice to cover. He’s also one of the more physical players we have up front and he would be allowed to be more physical on the wing than he is at center. He can still take faceoffs depending on match ups and game situations but once the puck drops he has the responsibilities as a winger.

        I honestly think he would be more effective in that role. I know it was a small sample size but he looked great on Zibanejad’s wing at the end of the season for the 5 or so games they played together.

        • Doc

          They tried that and it didn’t work. Skating is not an issue, and he’s great at faceoffs.

          He’s a great center for what he brings, not sure why we would try something different when he’s doing good in his current role.

          • FistsofNeil25

            “They tried that and it didn’t work”

            When was this?

            I just don’t see anything wrong with trying players in different roles. Just because a player is good in one role doesn’t mean he wouldn’t be better in another role.

            Like I said he could still take faceoffs so that’s not a problem. I do believe his skating is an issue depending on his role. If his role is our 4th line center then I have no issue, but if his role is to be our shutdown 3C then I would prefer someone who could get around the rink a bit better than Smith and keep up with the top centers in the league.

          • Doc

            It doesn’t make sense though. You know he’s doing a good job, so you change his role in hopes he somehow does a better job? There’s no need to move him at wing right now, you just need to give him better wingers than Greening and Neil.

            Also, not sure why you have issues with his skating. He GREATLY improved this year and looked like a new player.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Yeah he did improve greatly butI just prefer centers who can get up and down the rink a bitter better than he does regardless of that improvement. Just a preference that’s all. There’s a lot more skating involved at that position.

            I don’t know why it doesn’t make sense though. It’s not like I’m saying move him over the wing permanently. If he isn’t more effective there than he is at center than he can simply be moved back. It’s not like there’s risk involved.

            I’m not saying he’s not a good center, I’m just saying that I think there’s a good chance he would be an even better winger.

            It’s all about getting the most out of each player to get the most out of your team right? If it doesn’t work then no harm no foul.

            and yes, we obviously have to find him better wingers than Greening and Neil.

          • Doc

            For me, it’s just that you would be putting him in a position that he isn’t used to, and that he would have to adapt to, which might negatively affect his output/role.

            Plus, we have tons of wingers waiting for their chance to shine.

            Glad it’s not my decision though!

          • FistsofNeil25

            True. Sometimes I think it’s good to force a player out of their comfort zone from time to time to push them to become a more versatile player. You’re right though because it could also backfire.

          • whammer44

            I’ve actually been in favour of moving Smith to the wing as well. He’s good on draws from one side (which he could still do) but I think his best work is in the corners. Problem is that there are too many question marks at centre right now…but I think its a possible option down the road

          • runningbear1974

            completely agree… Ten years from now, I don’t want any 1-dimensional players on our team… Every player should be able to play on the powerplay and PK…

          • runningbear1974

            It’s a good move to practice people in different positions so that they can continue to improve their game… Smith sucked at wing the first time, and has been getting better… It’s a good move to keep practicing until it becomes natural for him…

    • Rafi Bomb

      I don’t see Pageau making the team. He just doesn’t seem as ready relative to other prospects pushing for spots.

      Also I think Lazar ends up on Zibanejad’s wing.
      I could see a Smith-Zibanejad-Lazar line working. I could also see us signing Steve Downie and having him playing with those two. Then role a Downie-Zibanejad-Lazar line.

      • Zelle

        I like that line too, but I figured Lazar would play in the bottom six to start off should he make the team this season.

        • Hax

          It’s a bit of a catch-22. If he plays with muckers he doesn’t have much chance to improve but if he’s in the top 6 he may be outmatched at first. I think it hinges on who he plays with. In a perfect world he plays with guys like Zibanejad and Hoffman but on a third line (i.e. we add a 2C and wingers such that those three aren’t in our top 6 … yet).

  • Hannibal

    If Spezza is moved to Tampa then it will have to start with Hedman. Just imagine Hedman and Karlsson reunited, that would be amazing!

    • Doc

      It would, but it will never happen.

      You would need to add a lot to Spezza to get that done.

      • Hax

        Yeah like Spezza+Cowen+Methot or something wacky.

        • FistsofNeil25

          As wacky as it is I’d do that lol

          • Hax

            Yeah as I typed it I was thinking I might do it too.

            Hedman-Karlsson
            Wiercioch-Ceci
            Phillips-Gryba
            Borowiecki

  • Rafi Bomb

    Not at all surprised that Hoffman got a two-way contract. Randy Lee’s comments during the playoffs for Binghamton indicated this.

    • Hax

      Yeah the 2-way contract is a safety net for the team if Hoffman really, really stinks. i.e. so bad that he’d clear waivers. I’m sure Hoffman (and the team) feel that’s not going to happen. He’ll play in the NHL next year – somewhere.

  • Hax

    So it seems Lazar is going to make the team on the wing this coming season.

    If we can actually pick up Oshie somehow …

    MacArthur-Turris-Ryan
    Michalek-Oshie-Stone
    Hoffman-Zibanejad-Lazar
    Greening-Smith-Neil
    Condra

    And if Ryan and Oshie become BFFs then you might flip those two.
    Maybe Hoffman pushes Michalek to Zibby’s wing as well.

    I still don’t think Greening cracks the top 6 (or 9). I like his play but only as a fourth liner.

    • Pasky

      If we get ROR instead of Oshie:

      MacArthur-Turris-Stone
      Michalek-ROR-Ryan
      Hoffman-Zibanejad-Lazar
      Greening-Smith-Neil
      Condra

      • Hax

        Even better but I’m not holding my breath for ROR.

        • A-Train

          Yes, I think people are misreading the Colorado connection with Ottawa and the O’Reilly rumours.

          Colorado wants to retain him and Stastny, but they may be having trouble doing that.

          They’re looking at Spezza as a possible plan B if they lose Stastny and see O’Reilly walking out the door after his arb deal runs out.

      • Don Ciccio

        ROR can also play the wing
        ROR – Zibanejad – Ryan
        MacArthur – Turris – Stone
        Hoffman – Pageau – Lazar
        Greening – Smith – Neil (Because Maclean loves these guys)

        • Hax

          Yeah I don’t think Zibanejad is ready for 1C and Pageau isn’t ready for 3C – not without a lot of help.

          • Don Ciccio

            Forgot about Michalek as well but Zibanejad can still play between those guys and be considered the #2…..I think Pageau’s game is suited for the #3 slot and maybe put him between Michalek and Lazar.

          • Pasky

            Zib between Ryan and ROR can handle himself I’m sure, but I agree with Pageau.

          • Hax

            Well “handle himself” is one thing and I agree. I just think that Turris sort of a 1.5C and Zibanejad is a 2.5C. They can play 1 or 2 but it’s a bit of a stretch and means they’d need strong support both from their wingers and the other centers on the team. Put Turris at 1C with two great wingers and three really strong centers on the other lines and he’ll be fine. Same with Zibanejad if he were to slot between Kopitar and Carter on the depth chart.

            Asking Pageau to not only play 3C but also add extra support to two centers playing a bit over their heads starts to put the whole thing on shaky ground.

          • Pasky

            Honestly at this point I’d rather have a 1A/1B lineup, which is why I would group CMac and Turris together and Zib and Ryan together. The other wing can be interchangeable but at least it balances out our 2 top lines for the time being. Considering Stone did well in his end of year audtion next to Turris we can just find a LW to play with Zib and Ryan and have a decent Top 6, as long as the young guys play to their potential.

    • A-Train

      I thought Oshie was a RW?

      • Hax

        He has been playing there but came up as a center (I thought). Of course even if he did that doesn’t mean he can play there.

        • jimmyjohnson

          Isn’t it something absurd like 90% of NHL forwards played center coming up?

    • sprucesens

      absolutely love this line up. I doubt we’d somehow sit one of condra or greening though, which means we’d have to trade them. Which I’m ok with, but doesn’t seem likely. Unless its just for 9 games, then we send lazar back, with condra taking the spot back. Certainly looks interesting. Almost prefer Hoffman and michalek switching spots for a veteran on every line.

      • Hax

        I’m no longer expecting Lazar to be sent back ever. I usually prefer my prospects “over-ripe” but everything I’ve read and heard seems to indicate that he’s ready.

        Agree that one of Greening or Condra is likely traded if everyone above them works out.

        • sprucesens

          yeah, its tough to tell though, if he comes up and doesn’t do too much, he can easily be sent back. Its not like he’s the difference between the cup this year, or not.

  • Sittin’ In the Bleachers

    “Kypreos reporting that he hears TB is interested in Spezza”

    as in Clueless Windbag makes up rumour that a team not on

    Spezza’s “I won’t go there” list is interested in Spezza

    only 19 windbags to go

    • sbs138

      Murray did mention in his interview that he was talking Steve Yzerman…we’ll see. maybe we can trade him for Ben Bishop.

      • Michenator

        haha there’s our one for one trade.

      • two to Tootoo too

        Spezza in NOT what TB needs
        BM and SY are regular trading partners – they probably talk 2 or 3 times
        a week.
        My guess is that SY is trying to steal a D- Man.

    • Harv

      My ears automatically turn off when Kypreos speaks. Sort of what my eyes did when Kyreos played hockey.

    • sprucesens

      yeah, I’m sure 29 teams are interested in spezza, unless they are already against the cap, and have no room for him unless they made stupid trades just to get down in salary. Having said that, it still looks like the same 2 players. I imagine one will get spezza, and the other will get kesler. Unless either feel they can offersheet ROR. Could potentially be less assets for either of them, as they wouldn’t lose any current players.

  • sbs138

    “lots is a big word…well, not a big word, but it is a big word”. Murray is awesome.

    • Hax

      Listen to what mean, not what I say.

      LOL

  • Harv

    Great comments from Murray. He comes across as being in control and actually knowing what he is doing. Quite unlike much of the speculation which is the essence of the comments here.

    The Hoffman deal is the right deal. Hoffman will get a chance with Ottawa and if he doesn’t work out they can send him to Bingo. If another team picks him up he has an NHL job. If not, he gets more time in Bingo to prove his worth.

    Good comments on the money situation. Seems Brian isn’t seeing that as an issue – at least not as much as an issue as some fans. Spezza sounds like a whole different scenario from Alfie and Heatley and good to hear Murray’s complimentary remarks.

    This confirms what a lot here have said though – that Spezza may not bring the return a lot expected. Nevertheless, the team looks to be in good shape moving forward and the next few months should be interesting to say the least.

    The best news? Z’Bad is untouchable. Turris, Z.Bad, Pageau, Smith down the middle? Sounds good.

    • Hax

      I still think Murray would be looking to move Spezza now even if Spezza wanted to stay.

      • Harv

        I agree. Spezza is gone. And, it sounds like Murray has a plan. Canada Day should be fun.

  • FistsofNeil25

    “If we can get a first, I’m going to try real hard” – BM

    So I guess Murray is in fact very interested in acquiring a first round pick in this years draft. He did say however that he won’t rush to get the Spezza trade done just for the sake of acquiring a first rounder this year.

  • EK65

    I like the one-for-one straight up idea that Murray mentioned. It’s the highest risk, highest reward scenario. Obviously the player coming back to Ottawa would be a young, blue chip guy who has enough potential to wow Ottawa into saying yes to the deal. None of this 2nd/3rd line guy right now, a mid level prospect for later and a pick.

    • Hax

      Shatt-En-Kirk!! Shatt-En-Kirk!!

      • FistsofNeil25

        Pretty sure he said he wanted a forward no?

        • Hax

          I don’t recall him saying forward but even if he does I want a guy to play behind EK65.

          • FistsofNeil25

            So do I but considering we have to think a bit more long term right now I think Ceci will be that guy.

          • Hax

            Well I’d like to have Ceci and that guy. But I agree it does depend a bit on how far ahead you look.

          • FistsofNeil25

            I’m just looking a few years down the road now. There are too many holes to fill short term.

            It’s my preference to seek a young forward than a young right-side defenseman. Our defense may end up being pretty good if Ceci reaches his potential and Cowen gets back on track.

      • EK65

        Shattenkirk from STL
        ……. from Anaheim
        Droin from TB (not likely)
        Huberdeau from FLA
        Valeri Nichushkin from DAL

        who else do you guys think would be the one guy coming back?

        • Pasky

          ROR from Colorado (a stretch)
          JVR from Toronto
          Yandle from Phoenix

          • Rafi Bomb

            Wouldn’t be a 1 for 1 in the Phoenix trade.

        • Rafi Bomb

          DSP and Etem from Anaheim. It would be a package from them.

          • EK65

            Both? Or each? Don’t think they’re enough separately for a 1-1 trade.

          • Rafi Bomb

            Both, it would be a package of DSP and Etem for Spezza.

        • sprucesens

          you could add oshie or shwartz in 1 for 1, or maybe gudbrandson with maybe a weak pick coming back, or maybe the 1st overall. but those and huberdeau are very slim with FLA on the no trade list

      • Don Ciccio

        why?

      • two to Tootoo too

        YEAH !!!!!

        He’s at the top of my wish list

  • Rafi Bomb

    When asked about what areas the organization would like to add some depth to, Dorion’s response was “ideally I think every team would like to add a 6’5 power forward, who can fight, score and be a game changer, but those guys, I don’t think there is that many of them around at 40″

    I think that is a bit revealing that they likely have an interest in drafting Hunter Smith. He could be a good 3rd round pick, or late 2nd if we acquire one. It also might be a bit of an indication that they would have an interest in Nick Ritchie if they acquire a 1st round pick.

  • Rafi Bomb

    Dorion on Greening “He brings an element that we don’t a lot of. He is big, he skates, he is involved physically, he can play against the other teams top line”

    I think the organization is going to start to add a bit more size and physicality to the lineup as it is something that is lacking. Coupling that with Lee’s comments on Lazar that he “plays the game right” my guess is that we are going to emphasize brining in players that play with a real edge, compete hard and have a bit of size in the draft, through trades and free agency.

    • FistsofNeil25

      I hope they do as well but I would prefer if they targeted players that can play hockey a lot better than Greening. His physical attributes are impressive but how about the way he plays the game? He’s a fourth liner who rode Spezza’s cottails into the NHL.

      • Rafi Bomb

        Well that is always the ideal. Physical 4th liners can be great to have, but they aren’t as effective as physical 1st and 2nd liners. Personally, I think we will likely add some physicality to most of our lines. We will likely trade/sign a gritty top six forward or two, or some young gritty players that can play 3rd line or possibly in the top six, maybe bring in a heavyweight and maybe sign some gritty players to two way contracts.

        • FistsofNeil25

          I’m not expecting as many changes. I’m expecting 1 or 2 trades including the Spezza trade, and maybe one free agent signing depending on the pieces we get back for Spezza.

          and I don’t think Murray is going to waste a roster spot on a heavyweight.

          • Rafi Bomb

            I don’t see it as a waste of a spot to carry a heavyweight, depending on the type of heavyweight we bring in. If it is a guy that can lay the body regularly, agitate and just be nasty to play against then it could be worthwhile.

            If it is another Kassian who sucks at fighting, can’t hit and isn’t intimidating then it will be a waste.

            The fact that we have such a young team, will have so many rookies next year and are operating under a budget while not being overly physical, creates a bit of a need to carry a heavy. We always play better when we have a tough team so as a 13th or 14th forward certain types of heavies can still have their uses.

          • FistsofNeil25

            I’m trying to think of players that fit this discription and there aren’t many that come to mind. Most of them are just goons like John Scott, Frazer McLaren, Biznasty, Cam Jansen, Jay Rosehill.

            Who’s a heavyweight that can actually take a regular shift? Maybe we should bring McGratton or Carkner back. Patrick Bordeleau? Ryan Reaves?

          • Rafi Bomb

            Ya, those guys you listed are the best bets. The other players that I can think of, don’t have much skill but could possibly be effective in a very limited role as they are very intimidating and could provide a few good energy shifts.

            It is a bit unfortunate that we haven’t drafted gritty players that are similar to Neil, by this point they could be making the jump.

            Regardless, whether we carry a heavyweight as a 13th or 14th forward, our priority is to add top six forwards that play with an edge. Guys like Oshie, Hanzel, DSP, Etem are the types for players we should be brining in. Ideally we could acquire a player like Wayne Simmonds, but that isn’t all that realistic.

            I think we are forced to go the trade route as the majority of free agent forwards that are very gritty are either primed to get overpaid (Bolland and Callahan) or are mostly just 3rd and 4th liners (Ott, Morrow, Tootoo, Carcillo, Glass, Downie, Zolniericzyk).

          • sens_bud

            I wouldnt mind bringing in Downie for a 3rd line role who can fill in on the second for a few shifts/games. He had a rough go in Philly with injuries and all but he injected life into the players he was playing with in Colorado. I know we have quite a few bottom 6 players so maybe he would cause too much clutter.

          • Rafi Bomb

            Downie might be the best bargain pick up available. He still has decent upside and could possibly be developed into a top six forward. I also like that fact that he is a big open ice hitter and an agitator as we are lacking those types of players.

          • FistsofNeil25

            I think we drafted a couple guys with some “sandpaper” to their game is last year. Lazar, Harpur, Dunn.

            But yeah we definitely need a bit more power and grit in our top six. Those players are so difficult to acquire though and like you said there aren’t any available via free agency.

            I don’t know about Downie. He’s been a problem child every were he’s played. Supposedly Colorado shipped him out because he was pumping heads with Landeskog.

          • Rafi Bomb

            Ya we started to draft guys like that, but we hadn’t really focused on bringing those types of players for years. That is why we can’t just promote the agitators, fighters, and physical players that we have in the system. We even drafted a guy like Kramer, but he is still a few years off from going pro.

            As far as Downie goes, it really depends on what Murray thinks of his character. If he is going to cause problems in the dressing room, then we should stay away. But in regards to his overall talent and gritty style, it would be welcomed.

          • CUP 2014-15

            I could see Biznasty being a great addition to the fourth line. By all accounts he is a great teammate, fears nobody and has the best quotes in sports.

          • Hax

            We already have four fourth liners now though (Condra, Greening, Smith and Neil). We’d need to clear some of that clutter out before adding someone.

          • FistsofNeil25

            and we can’t just have a couple goons on the fourth line. Say our 4th line is Reaves-Smith-Neil – we may as well be a three line team.

            I would rather be able to roll 4 solid lines and just build overall team toughness than have a 4th line made up of a couple 4th fighters.

          • Hax

            Yep. When we first got Kassian I was impressed with his skating and his forecheck but for whatever reason he turned into a one-dimensional fighter … who rarely fought.

          • Rafi Bomb

            Kassian didn’t really know his role. He couldn’t really hit and rarely if ever was able to dish out big hits in open ice or along the boards.

            He would fight, but usually at terrible times and when he did fight they weren’t all that entertaining and he wasn’t that good at it. He also didn’t really “enforcer”, I saw many games where the opposition took liberties and he did nothing about it. Pretty much every one of his fights were “staged” as they had little relevance to any “enforcing” and weren’t really related to the game whatsoever.

            I wasn’t a big fan of bringing him in. I thought we needed a heavyweight but if we are going to carry one, the most important thing is that they need to be truly intimidating. If the opposition isn’t intimidated by their presence, then they aren’t all that effective as enforcers. I think you need a heavy that is a tad unpredictable and unstable, a player that does “old school” enforcing so they don’t care about getting suspended to send a message. I thought Carkner did an excellent job of this especially when he went after Boyle for roughing up Karlsson. If Murray brings in another Heavy, it should be the scariest and nastiest player he can find that can provide intimidation simply from their presence.

          • Harv

            Carkner! I say!

          • CUP 2014-15

            That’s an ideal scenario but can’t happen fast enough. With the age and talent this team could amass on the top three lines, there will be a limited role for the fourth anyway. It’s like being a r. side D going forward behind Karl and CC, They will eat up about 50 min. between them.

          • Rafi Bomb

            It depends who is on the other 3 lines. It might make this line more effective as they will have limited minutes and can focus on playing an energy role by running around and stirring the pot. There is also enough talent among Neil and Smith, that if you carry a heavy on that line (for games needed) you can still role 4 lines. I can’t think of a 4th line around the league that has better 4th liners than Neil and Smith.

          • CUP 2014-15

            Agree, say good-bye to Condra and Greening. Bisonnette is a left winger and could add some jam with Neil and Grant or whomever. I think we will see Z.Smith centre a good third line. I have always wondered how he would do if he could escape the above names you posted as linemates.

          • FistsofNeil25

            I’m sorry I can’t endorse the addition of Biz, not even at the expense of Greening. Bisonnette is a terrible hockey player. He’s better than Kassian, but man he blows.

          • Rafi Bomb

            Any Heavy that we would bring in, would only need to be able to play simple hockey. As long as they can dump and chase and cycle the puck while adding a prominent physical element to their game they can be useful.

            The last thing that I want is to have some limited skilled 4th liners (whether that be heavyweights or any other 4th liner that we bring in) try and play above their skill level.

            Personally I felt that this was one of the many areas that Kassian struggled with. He tried to do more than he was capable of and that had a negative impact.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Well that’s one thing about Kassian. He seems to think he’s a better hockey player than he actually is, At least judging by Murray’s end of season presser when he said Kassian wants to look for a bigger role somewhere else.

          • Rafi Bomb

            That was hilarious. I can’t see how this guy thinks he could get more playing time somewhere else. He isn’t a good player and he isn’t a good enforcer. Maybe some team will sign him, but I wouldn’t be surprised if he has to sign a two-way.

            With that said, if we carry a heavy, it needs to be a guy who knows his role and fully accepts that. He can’t get upset and complain if he doesn’t get lots of ice time or is scratched most of the season. If he wants to play more he will have to earn it.

          • Harv

            Carkner!

          • Andrews theory

            they’ll have boro to act as a punching bag much like konopka did.

  • two to Tootoo too

    “Jordin Tootoo being bought out by Detroit”

    Will be be on BM’s “NHL bargain bin” shopping list this summer ?

    • A-Train

      I see Bertuzzi is also not being re-signed. Hope BM can restrain himself.

      • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

        If we sign bertuzzi I will not watch a game until he is gone

        • AutoTurris

          I am with you on this, the fact that Bertuzzi is still allowed to play in the NHL is disgusting, I used to like the Wings until he went there

          • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

            Agree.. Should have seen prison time for that assault

    • Rafi Bomb

      Maybe on a two way contract. He isn’t the same player he was back in Nashville.

  • A-Train

    So….that was a pretty positive day of comments from Murray all around.

    Did anyone else find a rather startling lack of Bobby Ryan negotiations news?

    • Rafi Bomb

      Can’t initiate negotiations until after July 1st.

      • A-Train

        Yes I know that, but at the year-end newswer he sounded very optimistic about getting a deal done “real soon with Bobby” etc. Didn’t hear much about it today.

        • spezzerman

          He said he plans on getting started with Mac and Bobby as soon as they can. At least that was my take.

    • FBP

      He wouldn’t really be allowed to comment on it anyway at this point, right?

    • FBP

      I’m still placing hope in this Dorion quote:

      “I think on July 1st, we’ll be busy and that’s as much as I’m going to say about it.”

      • A-Train

        Good. Sorry, don’t want to sound a sour note….

      • KJ

        That’s what he said a few weeks ago

        • Hax

          Correct. And FBP is still placing his hope on that quote.

  • Pasky

    I’m just looking forward to the Spezza trade as it will finally shed some light on what else we need to add and get our projected lineups making sense. It seems to me we have a small clog forming on the RW depth charts. Ryan, Stone, Lazar, Condra, Neil and then whatever happens in a trade. This is where Neil/Condra are both 4th liners in my books but this team doesn’t seem too keen on benching either one of them. Wonder if that changes this year or not.

    • sens_bud

      If Lazar is on the team playing on the right side as you have him slotted in, it will have to be one of Condra or Neil sitting or the PM questioning will start again.

    • Rafi Bomb

      Condra will likely get shipped out.

      • Andrews theory

        you know who desperately needs Condra?
        Edmonton Oilers… cya

        • FistsofNeil25

          Serious question – taking into account that we’re a budget team and every last penny counts, who brings better value for their contract? Who would you guys rather keep? You must pick one.

          Greening @ 2.65M for the next 3 years or Condra @ 1.25M for 1 year.

          I know I take Condra 10 times out of 10.

          • FBP

            What if one of the times involves building a Newfie only all-star team?

          • FistsofNeil25

            What if one of the times involves a Notre Dame Fighting Irish only all-star team?

          • Rafi Bomb

            Greening is probably harder to move. In a perfect world we would move both of them.

          • FistsofNeil25

            You are disqualified. I said you MUST pick one.

          • Doc

            Condra. Not even a question.

          • Andrews theory

            I dont have an issue with Condra the way most fans do. I think he tries hard, he’s a great possession player and he’s good on the penalty kill which comes in handy as one of the most penalized teams.
            now, if i have a choice between having Lazar on my team or Condra on my team, I’m likely taking Lazar 10 times out of 10 times.
            Really comes down to depth at a particular position and we have more flexibility on Right so bye bye Condra

          • Harv

            Condra hands down.

    • Texmex55

      I dont know how we can fit players like lazar in the lineup without a quantity for quality trade.

  • sprucesens

    to go with the sandpaper discussion, and the fact that TB is interested, Adam Erne whom I was routing for to draft last year, is on TB, taken in the 2nd round. His description was, “bull in a china shop, with soft hands to make you look foolish” by most that watched his game in juniors. Would be very interesting if they could swing, Connelly, Erne and a 1st. That would be a great haul

    • FistsofNeil25

      Erne was the first name that came to mind when I was thinking of a prospect from Tampa.

      • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

        Enough upside to go one for one tho?

        • Andrews theory

          ni
          Murray may as well hang himself

        • FistsofNeil25

          No obviously not. As the prospect in a 3 part package.

          Roster player + Erne + 1st

          • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

            Ahh I was shocked people were that high on him… That makes more sense

          • sprucesens

            problem is most of their roster players that are worth while, fit into the untouchable list. I think brett Connelly, adam erne and a 1st would be better than what st. Louis is offering, unless shatty, oshie or shwartz are involved

  • Andrews theory

    If Tampa is legitimately interested in Spezza, it’s because they are about to swap with Chicago. Filppula / Sharp

  • Sensturion

    Anaheim is not resigning Hiller, Koivu or Winnik. Making room for Spezza?

    • aegiszx

      Hiller – Andy/Lehner

      Anyone?!

      • Sensturion

        What?

      • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

        Three goalies….. Dafuq

        • Hax

          Ugh. He means trade one of Andy/Lehner and keep the other.

          My vote is no thank you.

          • FBP

            I think she is suggesting we breed or surgically meld Anderson and Lehner to produce a new unstoppable goalie. It’s the kind of progressive thinking a budget team needs to survive.

          • aegiszx

            Andy is good, but Hiller is better. Mind you, Andy/Lehner play behind arguably the leagues worst D lol

          • FistsofNeil25

            Hiller and Andy are a wash. Same level of goaltender. Both are very inconsistent starters. The only reason to move on from Andy is to promote Lehner and Robin isn’t ready for that yet in my opinion anyway.

          • iKarly65

            So good that he was usurped by Andersen and Gibson and is now being dumped by ANA.

          • FBP

            Andy is dandy but Hiller is for-rilla.

          • Hax

            But Lehner is the future. Sign Hiller for one year after trading Andy? No way Hiller takes a one-year deal IMO.

          • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

            Oh god no… I’m game for running with lehner this year… But no to hillier

      • Doc

        No.

      • sens_bud

        I had this thought a few days ago when looking at the free agents. Could potentially get Hilller for around 3 mil per year. If I was BM I would call a few teams looking to see what the return on Andy might look like from teams needing a goalie. If there is a decent return and BM could simultaneously flip Andy, and sign Hiller, well then I’d pull the trigger. Its risky, and means we would be giving Lehner the reigns. But who knows a team might feel like the could bring out the old Andy and give us a decent return. Also Hiller wouldn’t be a bad supporting cast for Lenher.

    • spezzerman

      making room for their better players they already have, but Spezza certainly still fits

  • spezzerman

    I for one would be thrilled if Spezza wasn’t traded. we can’t do better than this next season at forward, given what would be considered realistic returns, IMO
    Michalek-Spezza-Ryan
    Mac-Turris-Stone
    Hoffman-Zib-Lazar
    Greening-Smith-Condra
    Neil

    Obviously Neil isnt going to be a 13th forward although it would be ideal if he was. Lazar is likely better off in the NHL than junior next year, but if they can’t make room for him than he can dominate in junior, WJC and hopefully not get too bored in the WHL. If so, Condra with Hoffman and Zib.

    And, if Spezza and Ryan are given more time to gel, maybe Spezza decides he wants to stick around long term. I dont care what anyone says, or how “bad” defensively he is; a point per game forward is valuable and he isnt that old. Injuries are a risk but you can say that for most 30+ NHLers.

    D remains an issue due to inexperience but Karlsson will be better all around for sure which will make a huge impact alone. Cowen can’t get any worse, find more ice time for Weircioch. Goalies SV% are more likely to improve than decline.

    Standing pat with Spezza would be as good as trading him. And, if we make the playoffs, which isnt as far fetched as most think, his mindset will be completely different.

    • iKarly65

      “Cowen can’t get any worse.”

      Yes he can.

      And Spezza doesn’t want to play in Ottawa anymore.

      • spezzerman

        Safe bet he isn’t worse than last year.

        If Murray doesnt like what he gets offered, Spezza could stay on. And, given the rosy picture I painted, clicking with Ryan and the team performing better could certainly make him want to stick around.

        • Jakester

          Don’t fool yourself Bud , Spezza will be traded no matter what. They wii take what they think is fair. MaClean doesn’t want him around, and TUrris and Zibby need the key minutes.

      • aegiszx

        I dont think Cowen can get any worse… I hope he will bounce back and have a break out year.

        • iKarly65

          Just ’cause you think something doesn’t make it true.

          He CAN get worse. That’s a fact. As in the possibility exists that Jared Cowen’s play can drastically drop, and become worse.

      • runningbear1974

        About Cowen… When I think about someone’s value I think in context of their cost… Last year Cowen cost 1.5 million, and I would say his value was less than 1.5… Next year his cost will be 2.7 million… So, it is quite easy for him to lose value if he doesn’t increase in skill faster than his pay increases…
        I think we almost have to trade him now, or else, he won’t be tradeable… But, that’s just my opinion…

        • PraiseAlfie11

          Sophomore slump (I hope).

          • runningbear1974

            Yeah hoping for sure… Also though, i’ve been saying this a bunch.. Ceci might be the solution to Cowen…

        • iKarly65

          I just don’t understand how people absolutely say with certainty that he can’t get worse. That’s absurd. Of course he can. Anyone can get worse. It’s one of many outcomes in a probability.

    • Andrews theory

      losing Spezza for nothing next spring is not an acceptable outcome.
      simple as that, unless Euge springs for a new pony, Spezza is gone

      • spezzerman

        Perhaps, but trading him for stuff you don’t really want just to trade him isn’t much different. And, my point is, if the Sens are a better team next year, which they certainly can be, his mindset could easily change and we wouldnt have to lose him.

        If it comes down to say Spezza for cogliano and a draft pick, I’d rather go with my scenario and hope for the best.

      • runningbear1974

        Spezza has done us a huge favour by letting us know he’s thinking about not signing with us next year…

    • runningbear1974

      The way Spezza moves, he needs linemates that are good skaters that are defensively minded… In my opinion, that is not an ideal role for Ryan… Especially considering the extra value Ryan brings to the Turris line… Turrs-Ryan is significantly better than Turris-Stone…

      • spezzerman

        Or, the ideal role for Ryan is sniping with an elite playmaker.

        Just an alternative given that Spezza, albeit very unlikely, could still be a Sen next season, and that would be just fine with me.

        • Hax

          You’re both right I think – he needs an elite playmaker who can also skate and hold his own defensively.

        • runningbear1974

          I agree about the sniping… The issue is when they don’t have possession of the puck, how will they get it back?
          If they could score most of the time, great… But, reality is, most times you don’t score… So, you have to skate back to do defense… Most of hockey is hard work… If you put Ryan with Spezza, the other winger would have to be a great defensive skater… (someone that stops and changes directions quickly and has good defensive sense [michalek doesn't stop and change directions quickly])

          • spezzerman

            then you find that player.

    • cups

      I remember going to a Philly game at ctc last year, in which coach threw out the line of mac-spez-ryan in the last 5 min. they managed to tie the game, and spez scored the shootout winner on a quadruple deke. I know we’re all in love with mac&turris, but mac actually complimented spez nicely. in the improbable event he does stock around, I’d like to see more of that with either ryan or stone on the right

  • FistsofNeil25

    Is anyone else at all concerned that the future of hockey broadcasting in Canada is now being left in the hands of dumbasses like Kypreos, Maclean, Marek, Healy etc?

    It’s a total disgrace that we’re going to have to listen to these idiots for the next 10 or so years.

    Maclean thought Tyler Johnson’s first name was Chad and freakin’ Kypreos thought Palat was Tampa’s first line center.

    • spezzerman

      I love Marek

    • FBP

      Did Healy get hired by Rogers?

      • Sandy

        It was rumoured.
        Sportsnet needed to step up to the plate and get good people for their NHL games. Healy isn’t one of them. What an f’in joke.

    • aegiszx

      I run into Kypreos frequently in the morning (we go to the same Starbucks), dude is the biggest meathead. Why they dont just keep him on Leafs TV is beyond me, its clearly the only team he cares about.

      • boom

        Next time you run into him, do it with a truck.

    • iKarly65

      Palat and Johnson were on the #1 L with Stamkos when he returned, with Stamkos playing RW. And maybe Palat/Johnson were the #1 when Stamkos was injured.

      And there’s a goalie named Chad Johnson.

      Either way, hardly makes any of them dumb.

      • FistsofNeil25

        These are just two examples of the stuff these guys say. Considering it’s their job to know basic things like those two examples, I’m going to have to say they’re pretty dumb and they aren’t actually sure of what the hell they’re talking about.

        If they want to have any credibility they need to know what they’re talking about lol it’s their job.

        I know guys like McKenzie would never make those mistakes and that why he’s highly respected and people only listen to Kypreos and Maclean for laughs.

        • iKarly65

          mixing names up is something everyone does.

        • cups

          *lēafs

    • Senatollah

      Nope, not if your a Sens fan, most games will be on TSN.

      • spezzerman

        exactly, like 75% of all Sens games broadcast will be on TSN.

    • Hax

      I’m going to lay my hopes that the Senate Tavern hires Dean Brown to do in-person play-by-play for all games.

      C’mon Chirp – use your connections to make it happen!

    • A-Train

      Rogers bold new direction in hockey broadcasting: Older, whiter, more male, less informed.

      • sbs138

        but what about Strombo?!?!?!?!

        • A-Train

          Serious question? Strombo is 41 years old, a dude and I’ll leave it to others to fill in the rest.

          Not taking anything away from the guy, or the decision to put him into that particular job. But overall I would have hoped to see Rogers get a little more creative in their casting.

  • FistsofNeil25

    Do Sens fans agree or disagree with this statement? – Jason Spezza is a better hockey player than Bobby Ryan.

    • Hax

      Tough to compare the two but if you held my feet to the fire I’d say yes.

      • spezzerman

        my thoughts exactly

    • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

      On our team right now I’d say top three are Spezza, Ryan and Condra.

      Toss up who wins and how you define best

      • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

        And in the his case Condra is synonymous with Karlsson Hahahaha

    • sens_bud

      Today, I personally think Spezza by a slight margin. Although, I believe Ryan has his best hockey ahead of him and Spezza has his best hockey behind him. This is not taking into account health, type of style your looking for or anything, purely hockey skill.

    • Jakester

      Disagree.

    • luckan20

      Agree
      It doesn’t mean we shouldn’t trade him. It is time to move on.

      • FistsofNeil25

        Definitely time to move on. I was just curious to see what you guys thought. A lot of people that have been ripping Spezza here the most seem to rave about Bobby Ryan when in my opinion, both players have the same downfalls.

        • runningbear1974

          Bobby Ryan seems to like body contact a little more… And he goes to the net more… They have a bunch of subtle little differences…

    • runningbear1974

      That’s a tough one… I say Spezza is more skilled, but Ryan makes better decisions… They each have other differing skill sets but i would say that’s the main difference…

      • runningbear1974

        Will your team score more often when Spezza is on the ice?
        Would the other team score more often when Spezza is on the ice?

        • FistsofNeil25

          The thing is I don’t think the difference between Bobby and Spezza defensively is a big one. I think Ryan benefited from playing with the teams’ two most speedy, hard working, and defensively responsible players in Mac and T.

          • runningbear1974

            I totally agree that Ryan benefited by Mac and T… No doubt about that… He also added to them and made them an extra exciting line…

            One difference between Ryan and Spezza is position… Center versus Wing… Bad defense center worse than bad defense wing…

    • Aaron 2.0

      Over their respective tenures, I 100% agree. Moving forward, it’s the injury question for Spezza. Was last year the new norm for #19? If so, then I think it’s debatable. I guess the question is how much does the injury history hurt his value (if you’re looking to Ryan’s trade as a comparable). Ryan also had 2 years on his contract (versus 1-year for Spezza).

      • FistsofNeil25

        I’m not really thinking of trade value. I was just looking to see who you guys think is the better player.

        • Aaron 2.0

          Then, I still agree (but with a little hesitation).

    • PraiseAlfie11

      Agree. That’s why I laugh at the undervaluing going on here.

    • A-Train

      Not sure how anyone can disagree with that at this stage. Spezza’s produced more. At one time in his career he centred the world’s best hockey line. He was the first line centre on a team that made the Cup finals.

      Bobby’s scored goals and is a great talent. Fair or not, he just hasn’t done what Spezza’s done…yet.

  • sprucesens

    also, congrats Hoffman! looking forward to a full year to see what you can do. Hopefully not paired with greening, smith, neil and condra.

  • Max2166

    I just listened to Bryan Murray comments, I’m certain he will make the best possible he can. Hopefully Eugene will be quiet for the next 7 to 10 days, and let the GM do his job.

  • ProudSens

    I think it’s a good move that Murray won’t let teams speak with Spezza before a deal is done. What if Spezza says no? That would diminish the possible return. Maybe Murray knows that Spezza will not agree to an extension with the “two teams” that are interested and wants one of those two teams to change his mind. It’s possible. Go Sens Go

  • Mitchell

    Hoffman’s contract is to add to Tim Murray’s Prospects Roster (Buffalo) he won’t clear waivers if being sent down. Buffalo almost certain to be bottom dwellers, will nab him with no hesitation.

    to Buffalo
    Conacher
    Hoffman
    Emiral Jackets #ECHL

    to Ottawa
    Future Consideration

    • EK65

      They can keep him up in the press box if they’re really worried about that. His contract won’t exactly be expensive. Also, they”ll give him tones of time to prove himself

      • Mitchell

        Well that’s good, and hopefully that’ll keep us at the cap floor

  • FistsofNeil25

    I’ve been a pretty big Spezza critic at times, especially this season. I’m gonna miss the guy though regardless. He frustrated the hell out of me at times throughout is career but there’s no denying his electrifying talent. I hope he can get himself stronger and stays healthy so that he can play in the league for many more years. Great player. Great guy.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4YsidPZSyc

    • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

      I’ve never really been a critic but agree that I hope he has many more yeats

    • Mat

      To say that most of the prettiest goals this franchise has ever seen came from that man’s stick would be a major understatement. Class act. Rare talent.

      I can only hope we have the decency to show our appreciation the day he shows up in an opposing sweater.

      Thanks for adding the video Neil.

  • FistsofNeil25

    Jamie McGinn re-signs with the Avs – 2 years @ 5.9M total.

    Just another contract that makes Greening’s look ridiculous.

    • luckan20

      Agree. McGinn is a beast with good speed and hand

  • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

    Shawn Simpson ‏@TSNSimmer 35m
    Ottawa is home. I’ve traveled the world. The NHL. Sens need everyone on board. On same page. Keep drafting. Those kids care. #ProudSens

    Whats this all about?

    • Sandy

      This was an earlier tweet. Not sure if he’s referring to Jason.

      Shawn Simpson @TSNSimmer
      Why would Sens make Spezza Captain? Then a year later. Say he’s not happy. Finds the market tough? Just trade the player. Stabilize room.

      • A-Train

        Weird tirade. Pull it together dude.

  • NickofTime

    My guess:
    To St Louis: Jason Spezza
    To Ottawa: Patrick Berglund & St louis 1st rd pick

    • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

      I sure hope not

    • Sensturion

      If I’m Spezza and that’s all Ottawa gets for me, I’d be ashamed and question my worth in the NHL.

      • Mat

        Or you could just questions Murray’s intelligence… Either way, its not going to happen.

    • esk

      ohh hell no. I rather keep spezza and trade him on deadline day

    • luckan20

      terrible trade because we will look for high prospect too

    • s3nsfan

      Berglund has a serious shoulder injury and surgery, no thanks

      • Sandy

        He hasn’t even had the surgery yet. So the longer they put off the surgery then the longer he is out. I’m guessing 4 mos recovery for a surgery on the shoulder? So we could be looking at Dec before he’s in the lineup? No thanks.

        • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

          That would go a LONG way in solidifying Mcdavid though :p

        • peetypuck

          I don’t think that STL can even trade trade Berglund if he is injured.

          • EK65

            Yeah, there’s no way they could. Most trades are contingent on physicals for both players

          • FBP

            Has there ever been a rule that disallowed injured players from being traded? I thought this for a bit too, but I think it might just be a video game thing.

            I think as long as all injuries are disclosed and everyone understands what they are getting into anything goes.

    • FistsofNeil25

      A third line center and the 21st overall pick. If that’s all we could get for Spezza then every team not on his no trade list would be calling Murray with similar offers.

    • Frank

      Wow. Glad you’re not the GM

    • sens_bud

      I hope it’s better then that. I would rather get the excitement of watching one more season of no look passes possibly landing on king Karls stick only to be one timed and rippling the mesh.

  • PraiseAlfie11

    Serious question:

    How many players do you think ottawa needs upgrades on to win the cup?

    • runningbear1974

      Do you mean players that need to get off the team and replaced with better players?

      • IAmThePaulrus

        i felt he meant like newer and better robot parts and upgrades

        • runningbear1974

          I feel like Phillips should get stronger or/and faster… Is that possible?

          • sens_bud

            Perhaps cross him with a little bit of Raymond and a touch of S. Thornton.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Too many hard miles on him. It’s natural regression.

          • runningbear1974

            That’s why he’s a good candidate for robot parts and upgrades…

    • Jakester

      4/5 changes are needed.

    • Zelle

      Well let’s say the Sens lose Spezza, so without knowing who they are getting, our roster now:

      Top Six: MacArthur, Ryan, Turris, Milo (debatable)
      Potential Top Six: Hoffman, Zbad, Stone, Lazar
      Bottom Six: Greening, Condra, Neil (debatable), Smith, Pageau

      Top Two: Karlsson
      Top Four: Ceci, Methot
      Top Six: Gryba, Wiercioch, Cowen, Phillips (debatable)

      In my opinion the team only has at most four legit top six forwards if Milo signs and stays healthy. If we want to fill those with the current roster we’d have to hope that Zbad, Hoffy, and Stone can prove they belong there. Then the bottom six needs a lot of work even if they pan out with Greening, Neil and Pageau being big question marks. Smith and Condra, imo, are solid bottom six.

      Defense is a huge problem as I only really trust four of our six defense men at this point and only Karlsson really stands out as top two both in skill and conditioning.

      Best case scenario M-T-R is great again, Zbad and Stone prove they are top six, Spezza returns a top six LW, Greening is traded and Milo fills a LW role in the bottom six and Lazar pushes Condra or Neil to the press box. Then on D Phillips plays sheltered minutes and Wiercioch steps up so Methot can partner Karlsson.

    • Pasky

      Since we aren’t winning the cup anytime soon I’m not counting Neil and Phillips in this since they’ll be gone by then. But realistically for now I’d say 2 top 6 forwards, 1 bottom 6 forward & 1 top 4 defence, even though most of these pieces might be in house.

      If Cowen finally reaches his potential then we can lock him on the 1st or 2nd pairing. and if Ceci improves his play from his rookie season then our top 4 can be Cowen-Karlsson & Methot-Ceci. Bottom pairing can be anyone of Weircioch, Gryba, Borowiecki & Claesson.

      Top 6 that I can see in a couple years once we start to compete has Puemple-Turris-Ryan as one line and MacArthur-Zibanejad-Lazar as the 2nd line. I like MacArthur and Turris together but MacArthur is not really a 1st line player, especially when he gets older in a couple of years. Swap Zib and Turris if need be but they can be our top 2 Centers. Puemple is a 30 goal scorer in every league he’s played in so far so I don’t see that changing now so throw him and Ryan on a line together and let the goals fly.

      Bottom 6 will probably change since they always do, but if we keep the players we have as of right now then I see Greening-Smith-Condra as a defensive minded line. As far as a 3rd scoring line, for now it can be Hoffman-Pageau-Stone but who knows how successful they can be in the big leagues, but as far as prospects go I only see Prince having a guaranteed future in the league. There’s also Buddy Robinson that can be a 13th forward to replace Condra when we need more size and grit.

  • Sandy

    In that still picture above, Bryan Murray looks like he has aged so much. I know he is 71 and no spring chicken, but he looks a lot worse than he did at the end of the season…

    • sprucesens

      i noticed that too. looks like he is skinnier too. probably losing weight from the stress, lol

      • Aaron 2.0

        You’re right. He does look really thin in that picture. Hopefully no health issues, and just old age doing its thing.

        • Zelle

          That rapid weight loss or aging is usually stress or illness.

          • Aaron 2.0

            Yeah, when I notice such a quick weight change in a person, I always wonder about illness. Hopefully not though. When I get stressed out, my appetite disappears. Stress in that job would certainly be understandable.

          • Sandy

            You are like me. Stress weakens my appetite.

  • runningbear1974

    I think Murray said that Spezza reads all the newspapers… Ottawa Sun seems to print lots of bad stuff… It would be nice if there was a media source that was pro sens…

    • Zelle

      Never google yourself. lol

  • Jakester

    Come on Murray, Tampa would be a great trading partner. Go get Connelly and another prospect plus one of their two first rounders. Will be another TUrris steal, this kid is going to peak this year.

    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_3bsa-CXjkg

  • jtf927

    Chirp, thanks for the tweet about the blues being the front runners for spezza. any idea what might be coming back our way or when the transaction might be completed?

    • SensChirp

      Unfortunately that was the extent of it. Will post more as I get it.

      • Doc

        You’re such a tease.

      • Sandy

        But if Stastny does become available, it could be both Anaheim & St Louis battling it out to get him.
        He is the one ‘block’ standing in the way..
        That’s why I hope he is signed shortly. It’s only 5 days until June 25th and when UFAs can start talking to other teams.

  • OleHeaveHoFlipperoooni

    I’ll take 4 Blues as the center piece of a trade with the St. Louis. I really doubt that they are going to be offering these 4 – Oshie, Tarasenko, Schwartz and Shatty. But I’ll be pretty pissed if Spezz goes to St. Louis and none of those 4 are coming back. I’ll predict Shatty, but would be extremely happy with the other 3, long as Tarasenko doesn’t dasvidaniya to Russia if it’s him

    Now Tampa…. They fuckin owe us!!!…… Straight up for Drouin!!! lol

    I wish, but is Stevie dangling TJ??? hmmm, that’d be sick! especially with Bobby!

    One of Drouin, Johnson or Palat? is it possible? Gonna have to offer more, Hemmer’s rights? The oddest signings occur in Tampa and Florida and I bet 3/4 of the time it’s the wife putting her foot down lol. Hemskys going to Pittsburgh or Tampa if you ask me

    1 WEEK!!! oh,,, and 12 hours………………. A WEEK AND HALF A DAY!!!

    • Sandy

      Send Andy to (Tampa) Florida where he wants to play, with Spezza and get Bishop back to go along with whatever else comes in.
      Andy could mentor their young goaltenders coming in moreso than Bishop..

  • Hax

    I think at the draft Murray will have at least two deals set up in principal but neither will go through until July 1st. Statsny is part of that since I think at least one of the teams will want a crack at signing Statsny before trading assets for Spezza and also Murray will hope that the second team will pay more once a rival has Statsny. Plus Murray will want all assets “up front” with no conditional picks – so the deal will hinge on Spezza extending. The extension might not be announced until after, but it will be in place prior to the trade being official.

    So at the draft, two or more deals outlined.
    July 1st (or possibly sooner if his rights are traded) some team signs Statsny.
    Shortly after that Spezza gets traded.
    The next day or maybe later on July 1st Spezza’s contract extension is announced.

    • Frank

      I don’t think Stastny makes it to free agency. He really wants to stay in Colorado and will give them a hometown discount

      • Pasky

        I honestly think that they have a deal in place in principal right now with a hometown discount, but Stastny at least wants to wait for the June 25th window to open so he can hear what he’s worth on the open market. He might be fine taking a hometown discount at 6M but if a team like Anaheim shows up and offers him 8M (exagerating but trying to prove a point lol) then he might make his discount 6.5M… Just food for thought

      • Sandy

        Why would he not want to stay with the Avs.
        A great young team on the cusp of winning it all with their talent. A young team that will be very good for a long time.
        Any contending team will not have the cap room to offer him 7M and why would he decide to go to a re-building team, where he will get the money, but be about 5 yrs or so away from where the Avs are now.

    • FistsofNeil25

      Other teams can start to pitch their offers to Stastny’s agent on June 25th I believe but nothing can be official until July 1st. I think it makes sense for him to wait until that window opens before he accepts a contract from Colorado. Staying in Colorado is his preference but if another team offers him significantly more money then I’m sure he’ll take it.

      That leaves two days for Stastny to hear what other teams are offering him before the draft, and for teams like St Louis, Anaheim and Dallas to find out if Stastny is at all interested in joining their clubs.

      I hope Murray holds out for the best deal. Say St Louis is offering Berglund, Rattie and the 21st overall pick. It’s a decent package overall, but it doesn’t offer the sense one really enticing piece and Murray should hold out for more from either the Blues or someone else.

      • Tooks

        I also think this, we wont see a Spezza deal or any deal before July 1st, teams can negotiate sure but nothing will get done, I dont see a team unloading assets before July 1st.

    • zippy

      Since BM is more about
      drafting, wouldn’t he use draft day as leverage? I’ll pull the trigger
      on Team A unless you give me your #1?

      • Hax

        I think that A) Murray wants to maximize value (and teams won’t pay a premium without 100% guarantee of an extension – which can’t happen until July 1st) and B) Murray would rather a 1st next year, not this year (weak draft).

        • zippy

          Yes, 2015 is far better. Excellent point. I think the pressure is primarily on STL. They need to improve. And the window on Spezza is now. And he wants to go to STL. Which means he’s far more likely to re-sign there.

          • zippy

            Wouldn’t Lazar AND McDavid be awesome?

          • Tooks

            Yep! I’m hoping thats where we end up ths season.

  • Dirk-Diggler

    I am actually now thinking I’d like the Spezza return to be something like from STL, 1st 2014, 2nd 2015 and Rattie. Not a super solid package but what it does is free up cap space and forces BM to spend money on July 1st and bring in someone like Callahan at 5 years $6M.

    I’d rather sign Callahan to that then trade a player like Weircioch or Stone for Stewart!

    • Pasky

      Agree and disagree. I like the idea but it’s fairly risky to pull off, unless you do the trade after free agency opens and you get the contract signed then. I would just get pissed off since guys like Callahan, Moulson and Stastny sign elsewhere and then we have to overpay plugs just to reach the floor.

    • Tooks

      Fuck Stewart, why? why? You were doing so well then you mention Stewart…

      • FistsofNeil25

        I think he meant he’d rather sign Callahan THAN trade for Stewart. Not sign Callahan THEN trade for Stewart lol

        I say fuck Callahan and Stewart. They both blow.

        • Tooks

          Yeah a simple typo that I usually pick up but not this time, mya bad Dirk-Diggler :)

          • Dirk-Diggler

            No worries… But to be clear again… Absolutely no to Stewart! Callahan even at $6 is no big deal. Helps us reach the cap floor this year AND he provides that ‘hard forward’ role and can help develop Lazar and Stone. The first 3 years he’s be worth the $6 but the last two years not as much.

        • Tooks

          Callahan for ALOT less would be ideal, can play in the top 6 and brings tons of Leadership and heart and some skill. I can see Lazar being a Callahan clone with a bit more scoring.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Callahan at 4.5M. Any more than that would be a massive mistake. Who ever signs him long term to 5.5M+ is going to be kicking themselves in a couple years. He’s already lost a step.

            Don’t think there’s a chance he would ever come here, even if we did offer him 6M.

          • whammer44

            He’s potentially got Clarkson 2.0 written all over him.

          • Tooks

            Nah, Clarkson has zero leadership skills. Callahan is a Leader, just has to find his scoring touch again but he does all the little things right. .

          • whammer44

            He may be a leader but that doesn’t mean he will produce at a $6M/yr over 5 years…which is likely around what he will get. For me that has too much risk of going south quick

          • Dirk-Diggler

            Ya, I can see a bit of Clarkson written all over his contract but that’s why I would not go more than 5 years (ideally even 4). But, Callahan has actually shown in the past few seasons his value as not only a grinder. He can play in any situation and like Tookie (can’t believe I am referencing him) said, he provides the leadership qualities that this team is lacking.

          • whammer44

            No question about leadership. He already has a lot of hard miles on him and I just don’t see the risk of investing in a long term contract.

      • Dirk-Diggler

        I said I do not want Stewart

        • Tooks

          Sorrry my bad, its still early….

    • Big Lue

      I disagree, the main return should definately be a player. One who can either help replace Spezza’s point production or a Defenceman to sure up our blue-line.This draft isn’t very deep, I wouldn’t want a pick this year for Spezza unless it was top ten.

    • Sandy

      There is about a 99.9% chance that key UFAs don’t come to Ottawa and that includes Callahan & Stastny.

  • Tooks

    Havent checked lower in the comments section but anyone else see the Tweet that Sens and Lehner and far apart on Negs?

    • FistsofNeil25

      What tweet? I find it hard to believe that they’re that far off. Dorion said they have short and long term offers on the table to Lehner. How far apart could they really be on the dollar figure? How much could Lehner realistically be asking for?

      Much like Cowen last year, Lehner hasn’t done anything to prove he’s worthy of a big contract.

      • Tooks

        Wasnt a Tweet, was a news article on my Iphone Sportnet App, alos found it on Rotoworld player profile. I’m sure other media sites have it too.

        “Robin Lehner isn’t close to a new deal with the Ottawa Senators.

        However, a contract is expected to get done between the two sides. It will probably be an interesting negotiation between Ottawa and their projected goaltender of the future. He’s appeared in just 61 games over the past four seasons. Lehner will be a restricted free agent in July 1st.”

      • A-Train

        Actually, Cowen had done a lot more… *runs and hides*

      • aegiszx

        Except Lehner is actually the future… and he knows his own potential. He knows hes going to be a heck of a goaltender, which is why I like the kid, really confident and passionate.

        I’m not saying he should be getting 5M/yr but he better damn well get what he’s deserved. It’d be a shame of BM tried to lowball him.

        • whammer44

          Thats what was said about Cowen as well..future shut down dman…that doesn’t look like such a sure thing now.

          What is Lehner potential worth?

        • A-Train

          This is why the RFA contract is a gamble for both player and team. Do you take security now…or something short-term for a little more dollar, then cash in UFA.

    • boom

      I did, and I know it’s early, but i don’t like it. You would think that the Sens would consider the fact that they need to get to the floor (assuming Spezza trade) and would be willing and eager to get him signed, especially after raving about him for so long. I guess it’s just posturing on both ends, but I thought this would be a fairly straight-forward negotiation.

      • whammer44

        Getting to the floor shouldn’t mean overpaying. Lehner hasn’t proven anything yet. A 2 year deal at $2-2.5M per year is what should happen. And even that is not really performance based but on bridging to what his potential is.

        • FistsofNeil25

          I don’t even know if I would go as high as 2.5M

          Alex Stalock at 25 just signed a 2 year deal at 1.6M each. He’s the backup for San Jose Jose, played in 24 games this year posting a 0.932 SV% and 1.87 GAA. He’s a couple years older than Lehner and played for a better team, but he’s still a good enough comparable.

          If the Sens are looking for a bridge deal around 2 years then they should be offering something around 1.75M per season or 2M at the very most.

          Obviously if they want to go longer term the number will have to rise.

          • whammer44

            Yeah you’re right 2.5M is too high. Stalock is a pretty good comparable.

          • Tooks

            Yeah and Lehner’s camp is probably looking at 2.25M…Thsi si not going to be an easy one…

          • FistsofNeil25

            So meet in the middle at 2M and call ‘er a day!

          • peetypuck

            Tampa Bay signed Bishop to a 2-year contract worth $2.3 million per year. That’s after only being a back-up for the Sens.

        • boom

          Fair points – I guess I’m just starving for some “good” news…

      • Sandy

        Dorion said they’ve sent short term, mid term and long term contracts to Lehner’s agent.
        But they do need it to be done by July 1. I don’t want offer sheets coming in for him. You know Buffalo would do that.

    • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

      I don’t blame lehner the team has been missing with his games to ensure that he doesn’t up his value too much.

      If I were him I wouldn’t sign more than a 2 year deal and make it clear that he wants to play to earn a deserving contract

  • Tooks

    Damn, looks like the Pens are targeting Vrbata! Would be a nice fit! Ohh to have money…

  • FBP

    I really hope Murray and Armstrong work out this Spezza – Schwartz deal. Seems win win.

    • boom

      I can’t see them giving up Schwartz, but that would be great, agreed.

  • AutoTurris

    Griz – Turry – Ryan
    Scwartz – Zib – Stone
    Sekac – Pageau – Lazar
    Greening – Smith – Neil
    Condra

    Karlsson – Methot
    Cowen – Weircoch
    Phillips – Ceci
    Boro

    Andy
    Lehner

    Don’t even need MM9

    • FistsofNeil25

      Don’t forget about the cap floor!

      • AutoTurris

        Over pay Ryan and Mac..?

        • FistsofNeil25

          They’re already under contract for this year.

          • AutoTurris

            Right right, all this extension talk made me think they were pending UFAs. Haha I never thought I would dream up a roster where spending to the cap floor would be an issue

          • FistsofNeil25

            Me neither. Never thought I’d see the day.

    • SensFanInMTL

      Excuse me for my ignorance but who’s Griz again?

      • boom

        MacArthur – I hate when they do that.

        • SensFanInMTL

          That’s right. Thanks brotha.

        • AutoTurris

          What’s wrong with calling him Griz? He clearly reads this thread and my calling him his locker room nickname shows that I am tight with him

      • Tooks

        MacArthur.

        • SensFanInMTL

          Ahhhh. Merci mec. Mac wasn’t even on the line up. Should’ve known it was he all along.

      • SensFanInMTL

        Ahhhh. Merci mecs. Should’ve known anyway. Mac wasn’t even on the line up. Should’ve known it was he all along.

  • Tooks

    Clipings of different media sources:

    Bob McKenzie ✔@TSNBobMcKenzieFollow
    ANA big-game hunting for a C (Kesler/Spezza etc) to play behind Getzlaf. Well positioned to make a move: 8 NHL D and plethora of prospects.

    Bleedin Blue website
    The Blues have 2nd Round picks they could conceivably part with, and prospect Ty Rattie has been mentioned in further rumors as the last piece of a package Ottawa would ask for. It’s also know that the Sens are looking for a Defenseman. Could Roman Polak, Jordan Leopold, or Ian Cole fit that bill?

    FOX Sports
    Ken Warren of the Ottawa Citizen wrote Thursday that the Blues and Ducks are the clear favorites to land Spezza, and that the Senators could be interested in Berglund as well as defensemen Kevin Shattenkirk and Ian Cole, because of the Blues’ depth on the blue line.

    The Blues might be hesitant to deal Shattenkirk, who is under contract for the next three years at $4.25 million annually, but a package of Berglund, Cole and a No. 1 pick could work for them because they wouldn’t have to subtract from their core group.

    The Province Blog
    What the Ducks could see in Kesler as opposed to the available Jason Spezza as a fit would be compelling. Aside from financial considerations — Kesler has two years left at $5 million US annually and Spezza one at $4 million before he becomes an unrestricted free agent — there’s the push and push-back that the Ducks need in the torturous Pacific Division and what they’re willing to part with. You think gritty shutdown centre who plays his best when presented with that challenge and you think Kesler — especially if he’s healthy — and you think of him as a prime penalty killer, too. You don’t think Spezza. Kesler also led the Canucks in goals (25) and power-play goals (9), while Spezza had 23 goals in a softer conference. And if the Ottawa Senators are adamant that a top-six forward, highly-ranked prospect and a first-round 2014 draft pick must come back in a trade package for Spezza, then Benning can at least set the bar that high for Kesler. Maybe higher.

    • AutoTurris

      Fuck all these package trades, we want Schwartz and we want him now

      • Tooks

        I think alot of it will depend what Kesler gets. I think teams like Kesler better and Spezza is 2nd to him right now.

        Also remember that Gaborik (similar player to Spezza), who ended up winning the damn Cup for L.A. was had for two 2nd round picks and Matt Frattin…

        Murray was right when he said he isnt going to win this trade.

        I’m about 88% sure that the Blues are offering berglund as the main piece, he was playing with a dislocated shoulder in the playoffs and is usually alot better than what he showed.

        • FistsofNeil25

          and if the shoulder injury is seriously Berglund would likely be required to pass a physical by team doctors before any deal is finalized.

          • Tooks

            Yep, usually dislocated shoulders are a fairly routine operation and not considered a major injury. He should be back to form in no time.

          • Sandy

            St Louis media said it was a severly separated shoulder.

          • Tooks

            Coudnt be that severe if he played through it. Or maybe it made it worse?

          • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

            Separated and dislocated is totally different… Hell I’d be more confident had he broken his shoulder over either of the other options

    • Sandy

      I can’t see Vancouver trading Kesler within their division. They will try to send him East.

  • SensFanInMTL

    Why do I have the worst feeling that we will receive something like:

    1st round in the 2014 draft
    Patrik Berglund
    Ty Rattie

    Also, what if we signed Spezza to a one year extension? It’ll give St. Louis & Anaheim Spezza at 2 years. Thus, not having to worry about him leaving after next season? Pas vrais?

    • Pasky

      If they get us stuck with Berglund, I at least want Jaskin as he’s a bigger body, and maybe add a conditional 2nd round pick for 2015 as a performance related to Berglunds health. For example, if he doesn’t play at least 60 games then we get an extra pick.

      • SensFanInMTL

        This deal needs to happen next Friday. It just has to. We can’t go on like this until next year. Imagine Murray doesn’t pull the trigger and we lose Spezza for nothing? I can’t imagine him getting cheered to a capacity at Canadian Tire Centre either. And honestly, I don’t see us contending anytime soon. Forget these conditional 2nd or later rounders. I accept being a charity case now and accept only 1st rounders from every team. Give me give me give me give me give me give me give me.

      • Tooks

        If you do that for Berglund’s health then you can bet STL will do it for Spezza’s health which is a much bigger concern. Berglund only had a dislocated shoulder and played through it, its not a major injury, unlike Spezza with his back and groin.

        • Pasky

          I thought he was having major shoulder surgery?

    • Rafi Bomb

      Anaheim easily tops that garbage package. If that is all it costs to acquire Spezza then half the league should be making offers.

      • Tooks

        Not really, Cogs would be better the Berglund yes but he has a limited NTC, They wont trade any of their young proven players like Fowler/Lindholm/Bonino…

        Which would leave Palmieri, Sbisa, and possibly prospects like DSP or Etem, which only firgure to help later rather than sooner.

        I guess it all depends IF Murray and Melnyk want to compete now or later.

        • Pasky

          Considering Melnyk has a budget right now I’m assuming we’re competing later, so guys like DSP and Etem aren’t too bad for us.

    • Tooks

      Its going to be something damn close to that IF not exactly that. Like Pasky below, I would ask to swap Rattie for Jaskin even if it means swapping the 1st 2014 to a 2nd 2014. Draft is not ideal anyways and picking 21st or 2nd round wont change much.

    • JayRuN

      I dont think thats that bad but we still need to adress the poor defense somehow.

  • SensFanInMTL

    http://www.ottawasun.com/2014/06/18/ottawa-senators-to-open-nhl-season-in-nashville

    Don’t know if anyone read this or how accurate this is but it states that we’re opening our season in a few months with a 3 game road trip and coming home to host the Avalanche. You know? The Avalanche? The team led by captain Landeskog? Consisting of Duchene and O’Reilly? And some kid named MacKinnon? We’re due for some heavy damage IMO.

    • Sandy

      They need to get off to a good start.

      BUT I just hope the majority of Sens fans don’t expect a lot from a team that will be one of the youngest in the NHL and inexperienced.

  • Rafi Bomb

    If Berglund wasn’t Swedish, I bet we wouldn’t even be hearing rumors about him or fans putting him in every trade proposal. He is a 3rd line centre and he isn’t even that tough or physical. He is by no means an ideal target for the Sens in trading away a player like Spezza. We already have an abundance of players like him, we don’t need anymore.

  • Dirk-Diggler
  • Rafi Bomb

    Usually I am pretty vehemently against bringing in smaller players, especially considering the fact that we already have an abundance of them, but one guy that I would consider signing this off season is Andy Miele. I wanted the Senators to sign this guy when he turned pro out of the NCAA and now that he is a UFA and most likely leaving Phoenix I think we should give him a shot. Now I don’t know whether we should give him a one way contract, but he did put up 72 points in 70 games played in the AHL this season so we might be able to sign him at a fairly inexpensive rate. Then we can just target tougher players to insulate our skilled guys.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XgyDjE0it8

  • Sandy

    I’m still hoping for Phoenix to step up.
    They need to sell tickets and having a star like Spezza could help.
    Henrik Samuelsson and their 12th overall this draft is a great start, just need a roster player from them and get it done.

    • runningbear1974

      I’m not too concerned about getting a roster player… I’m hoping we can grab a UFA somewhere close to MacArthur value…

    • aegiszx

      I’m not too sure, I think with the rise of Samuelsson and Oliver Ekman-Larsson, they have a somewhat bright future ahead… assuming those two can continue their meteoric rise. Not to mention they have Max Domi… He’s one guy I’d be interested in swapping for.

  • Harv

    I am going to be really surprised if Murray is able to get some good value in return for Spezza. If only St. Louis and Anaheim are serious and with Kesler in the mix you have to think Spezza’s value is pretty low. I mean I have seen this guy play. Skilled as all get out but no pushback, no heart, one dimensional. What is he, 6’4″ and he plays like he’s 5′ nothing. Has anyone ever worried about going into a corner against Spezza?

    It looks like Murray will have to wait for Kesler to settle somewhere and then he will get whatever is on offer. If St. Louis or Anaheim get Kesler then I see Spezza’s value going way, way down. If Kesler goes somewhere else then maybe Murray can get a better deal.

    • Sandy

      The Sens want to send Spezza west as much as Vanc wants to send Kesler east.
      I think both of these will be affected by Stastny and not each other.

      • Harv

        Could be, Sandy. It is clear that Murray is not driving the trade bus. He is a passenger waiting to see where the others get off.