Murray, Melnyk and Leeder Have Their Say

SensChirp April 15, 2014 733
Murray, Melnyk and Leeder Have Their Say

Yesterday it was the players and the Coach that did the talking.  Today, the Owner, Team President and General Manager had their chance.  And it made for another fascinating day in the Nation’s Capital.

I mentioned this on Twitter in the moments following today’s media availability with Bryan Murray but it may have actually been one of the most entertaining parts of Ottawa’s season.  Murray was incredibly candid in discussing a number of important issues and seemed to lay out a pretty clear outline for what we can expect from this team in the off season and heading into next year.

He talked about his own performance, the job done by Paul MacLean and his coaching staff, the future of Jason Spezza, the defence and just about every topic you would hope to hear a GM cover in his season ending address.  He even acknowledged the dramatic impact losing Daniel Alfredsson had on this hockey team.  And for all the answers he provided today, there are still more questions that need to be answered in the next few months.

It’s going to be a fascinating summer around these parts as we watch Bryan Murray do his best to bring this team back to the playoffs while still “spending wisely”, as required by his Owner.

In addition to Murray, you can listen to the infuriating remarks from the Owner here and Team President Cyril Leeder right here.

  • luckan20

    It was disgusting the way Melnyk conducted his interview. BM played it politically well.

    Looks like Spezza’s day are numbered. Also, Hemsky doesn’t look like coming. Happy no need of Kassian. We need to take care of a top 4 D, while a power forward. MIchalek might be brought back but the term/$$$ will speak a lot there.
    BM will look to move some players too in the off season trade time. I can see him going after Stewart of Sabers or a player from St. Louis. As we know there are some teams in West were interested in Spezza.

    • I’m just sayin’

      and yet BM made NO MENTION of improving the current defense
      by adding a solid veteran D-Man

      another “bargain bin Corvo” won’t be good enough

  • John Q. Spartan
  • The Apostle

    Haven’t heard the Melnyk interview but it seems from the comments that it was more of the same from him. I recall a couple of friends who worked for the organisation saying that every time Melnyk opens his mouth the Marketing and Advertising people cringe.

    Did like the Murray interview. I particularly liked the way he didn’t try and soft soap the issue with MacLean. It would have been easy to trot out the everyone needs to be better line and leave it at that, but he was very specific in his criticism.

    I always like hearing Murray and MacLean talk and every time I do I feel that I like them both as guys, but if there aren’t serious improvements next year I expect one or both of them to be gone.

    • A-Train

      Yes, Murray was refreshingly transparent. Riveting viewing for any big Sens fan.

  • A-Train

    Re the prospects. From the sounds of things Stone, Lazar, Puemple and Boro are in Murray’s plans for the future. Wouldn’t be surprised to see Hoffman, Pageau, Prince as part of a trade package to obtain this power forward he seems pretty intent on getting.

  • Aaron 2.0

    Just saw the tweets by Garrioch highlighting Melnyk’s interview today. And, wow. Sounded, let’s say, colourful. Few thoughts below:

    1) The spending Issue –> We all want to see more money for players. But, this is actually one of the areas where I don’t disagree with Melnyk (although he does himself no favours with how he states that). It’s great that we have a rich owner. But, that doesn’t mean he should have to accept a loss ever year to spend to the cap. It’s in the long-term interest of this team to be profitable. I just wish we knew the actual financial situation of the team. The different responses we get on this are clear as mud.

    2) The meddling Issue –> I actually have no issue with an owner who wants to be informed, and does his own sort of evaluation with how everything is going. It keeps everybody honest. But, why is he a part of exit interviews? That’s scary. We all know the stories involving Melnyk and Alfredsson. You have to wonder what the players think. There are enough reasons for players to consider other teams upon reaching un-restricted free agency status. It’s scary stuff to think that ownership adds another element to player satisfaction (it’s just needless).

    3) The Spezza Issue –> There are obviously a wide range of opinions when it comes to our captain. I don’t want to talk about that. At this point, we pretty much all know what we all think. But, what is ownership doing with these comments today? It certainly sounds like Spezza has over-stayed his welcome (despite being named captain one short year ago). Wouldn’t a quieter approach have been easier if Murray will have to deal Spezza. Frankly, the same goes for Spezza (in his exit interview). So far, it appears nobody in the organization is making this likely transition any easier to complete from a trade perspective. Keep you’re cards close, damn it!

    Wow, that got long. Sorry. Cheers!

  • John Q. Spartan

    Justl listening to Melnyk interview now. I didn’t hear anything to bad (I thought he defended himself rather well actually) considering he’s the owner, I must be an idiot.

    At this point, people are just out to get Melnyk. One one hand they don’t ever want to hear from him, on the other he is supposed to have all the answers. No matter what he says he can’t win.

    • aegiszx

      If Melnyk spent like MLSE, I guarantee you, fans would still be unhappy… And those guys are throwing money around like its candy!

    • SensChirp

      Should clarify the link posted above was his second interview of the day. He had a chance to back track on a couple of things he said on a conference call with the media this morning.

      • SensChirp

        That said, he was still completely full of it in this interview. His ramblings about meddling, dodging the budget question, claims of grand spending on hockey ops staff and player development…

        • John Q. Spartan

          So you expect him to throw himself under bus on local Ottawa radio by agreeing with that stuff. Ic…

          • Doc

            You can’t be this dense?

        • Doc

          Love that Ian tried his best to ask the right question, and he did in a better way than any of us could have. Just hate the answers that Melnyk gave. Just turned the question around and spewed the same old BS.

          Love the Murray interview as well. So candid and honest. Awesome.

        • TookieIs100PercentRight

          The funny thing is he said he’s spend tons on hockey ops THEN he said teams that spend on a bunch of hockey ops are morons. LOL Melnyk, someone get him a press agent or speech writer, guy is confused as hell.

  • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

    I am “confused” that nobody else is wondering why BM referred to the Ryan deal as only Silfverberg and our pick…ignoring the third aspect.

    I expected to be more annoyed by these interviews today….but found overall they were decent, as usual though Melnyk probably said more than he should have in his initial interview….back tracked somewhat in his second one at 5 pm

    • John Q. Spartan

      Ya, he wasn’t exactly in a friendly environment. Rich people tend to get riled up in situations like that.

      • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

        Exactly kinda my point….I mean I think a fair bit of what he said was sugar coated BS, but really he was basically a sheep feeding himself to the wolves.

        • John Q. Spartan

          I agree. He’s the owner of a business. This being the real world, that’s the way businessmen speak. I’d pay more attention to Bryan Murray if I wasn’t such an idiot.

    • TookieIs100PercentRight

      Not to mention that no one asked how Silf helped the Ducks make the playoffs and win in the playoffs (so far) while Ryan hasn’t. Our media is super, super soft in this town.
      TOOKS100% OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Millennium

    Murray said all the right stuff.
    Maclean said all the right stuff.
    Melnyk shouldn’t have spoken today.

  • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

    And our pick stays at 10….small sigh of relief

    • Doc

      Meh.

    • Aaron 2.0

      I’m more concerned that a divisional rival has the 1st overall pick than anything going on with Anaheim.

  • Millennium

    Buffalo can’t even win at being last.

  • sprucesens

    chirp, who is hope smoke’s tweet’s referencing in murray’s trade? The ryan trade? Turris trade?

    • Millennium

      It was Tim Murray talking about a trade with Ottawa that didn’t end up happening at the deadline. Probably Stewart.

      • sprucesens

        ah, thanks

      • Doc

        Yep.

  • myteam65

    Melnyk has to have some of the least amount of common sense of anyone who has ever been a self-made billionaire. Seems like he just can’t help himself but to undermine the efforts of his staff to run a successful franchise. I can only conclude he cares more about being the center of attention
    than he does about the team or even his own money.

    Customers want a brand they can trust. He constantly contradicts himself and others in the organization (does he jut have a bad memory, or are there so many lies that he can’t keep them straight?), essentially proving to fans and media that they are being lied to on multiple levels.

    Also, people want to associate with something positive. Continually talking about the budget is exactly the opposite. It just makes people annoyed and frustrated, and I don’t know about anyone else, but I certainly don’t feel like supporting the team more because of it.

    I guess this is just wishful thinking, but I really hope he steps back from the spotlight and lets a competent communications staff do the talking in the future. Then maybe we could forget about the business side for awhile and put our focus back on the players, and it would be a hell of a lot more enjoyable!

    • slavitch

      He’s no longer a billionaire.

  • Andrews theory

    Owners hire hockey people to run hockey teams. There is nothing in sports worse than an owner that knows nothing about the sport second guessing every decision his hired experts make while making stupid comments to his players and the media alike.

  • Andrews theory

    For anyone that read on the previous post..sorry,this guy passes pisses me off.

    The fact that Melnyk decided to sit in on exit interviews says all you need to know.

    I love this team but the organization is being driven straight into the ground by our fucktard owner that probably can’t skate from one side of the rink to the other let alone form an educated decision on the future of the team.

    Guys that were keen on staying likely walked out of the room and wanted nothing better than to close the book on an organization handicapped by an ignorant owner.

    Spezza leaves, Karlsson is next to request a trade and I lay that at Melnyks feet alone.

  • Andrews theory

    I really have a feeling that the Sens will make a significant pitch for Callahan this summer

    • Sensturion

      Pass.

    • Sandy

      Not with the 7M he is ‘reportedly’ to want…

      • Andrews theory

        First off just cuz he’s asking 7 doesn’t mean he’ll garner 7.

        When you listen to the comments coming from Murray and even Moreso Euge about what lacks on this team and then you compare what is said about Callahan. I think the signs point to him being a significant target.

        “It all of a sudden turns … I don’t want to say we were a perimeter team, but we had a little bit of that quick-attack, perimeter-type style. Now we have another guy that goes in those dirty areas, makes us a little bit harder to play against. That’s what he’s brought.”

        TBAY coach on Callahan

        • Aaron 2.0

          I would personally be thrilled with Callahan. He’d be a really nice complementary piece, given as you said, sometimes we have a habit of being too much of a perimeter team. I think he’ll be tough to get, given his demands, and the wild nature of free-agency, but, I’d love to have him here in Ottawa.

          • whammer44

            too risky for that money and with the style he plays, rarely plays a full season without injury…I have visions of Clarkson 2.0

    • Jakester

      Callahan, not in their sights!

    • sprucesens

      if he takes michaleks 4.3 and then say ups it to 5ish 5.5 max, i’m ok with it. But if thats our only big move in the offseason, i won’t expect a huge turn around in performance from our team. He certainly won’t add a ton more offense than michalek did this year. I’d take him on my team, but there is more that can be done, and some other team will likely pay more. Including tampa

  • Sandy

    Sometimes I don’t know how to take Murray. He’s a cagey guy… Sometimes he gives you straight answers sometimes keeps stuff to himself…
    What does worry me was no mention of fixing the defense.. that’s the one issue.
    I got from Melnyk & Murray possible changes to the coaching staff? Or did I hear it wrong.. when he mentioned the leadership group…
    Saw your picks for 1st round Chirp
    Mine –
    Bruins, Jackets, Rangers, Montreal (only because Bishop won’t start the series) – Avs, Ducks, Sharks, Hawks…
    There’s bound to be upsets…

    • whammer44

      No I believe I heard the same thing…something about role changes I think…which can mean anything but you have to believe there will be some changes in the way the defense is managed.

  • Dmare085

    So if Murray was talking to St.Louis, Colorado, Edmonton at the trade deadline for Spezza. I hope from St. Louis (Backes and/or Tarasenko was a starting point), Colorado (O’Reilly and/Landeskog) and Edmonton (Eberle or the “Nuge + a first”). I vote to keep Spezza, fans will regret it. This guy is a world class talent.

    • Andrews theory

      I think you are looking at either or with O’Reilly / Landeskog and I’d wager Landeskog is untouchable

    • Jakester

      World class than should’ve been on the world stage for the Olympics, must’ve blinked didn’t see him there??? C’mon, plus you’re dropping big names from those 3 teams , Eberle no way. Sens will make a nice little deal but will be for an up and comer.

      • Dmare085

        Remember guys #1 centermen don’t grow on trees. Just ask the Leafs. They must be salivating at the fact that Spezza could be had.

        • Jakester

          Cool! Good for the Laughs. The culture in Sensland will be to have two way guys! A team that will be hard to play against! No more cream puff pond hockey! Murray was clear today!

          • Jonny

            Having a hard working team is only part of the solution, it wont win you Cups alone.

          • runningbear1974

            I like that… No more cream puff hockey…

    • Doc

      Umm…not to burst your bubble but, but you pretty much just named untouchables from those teams.

    • sprucesens

      if i had to guess on those teams who would be available, that we’d like…

      Oshie or Rattie, Parenteau, Duchene, or OReilly, Eberle. Tough to see colorado letting the young guys get away, but any of them would be a steal. And most of the players on st.louis would be a steal. i know we’ve inquired about oshie before, so i can see him as a target. Murray like to set his targets on a player, and be patient until he gets him, sometimes years later. Exactly what happened with Ryan. Oilers, i could see straight up for eberle, but i don’t see why the oil would do it, unless it was a sign and trade. I guess it would mean gagner is gone for a Dman. Anyways, i still think he’ll end up somewhere else, with st.louis as the top plausible destination out of those

  • Andrews theory

    I got the sense from Murray’s comments around defense deployment that he didn’t agree with Wiercioch sitting the extent he did especially when he sighted defenders standing around looking confused (hello Jared)

    • Jakester

      Jared was indeed lost out there. I would use him as trade bait.

  • Jakester

    The Sens have lots of talent waiting in the wings!

    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2VqV7JWzZJU

    • crzyman

      Also, lots of talent on the roster.

      • Jakester

        Bingo!(pardon the pun).

    • sprucesens

      likely to be a suspension for the fight after i would think. Can’t punch a guy on the ice. Maybe not if not injury i guess

      • sprucesens

        also, could see kramer eventually taking the 4th line grinder from neil in a couple years. Does he have any actual skill, or is he just a fighter?

  • Andrews theory

    Gotta love Melnyk referring to other NHL owners as Idiots.

    Good choice of words Euge, that’ll make you some friends.

    Not sure he understands that they aren’t his competition as much as his partners.

    • I’m just sayin’

      Two “idiot” teams spending to near the salary cap will be playing
      for the Stanley Cup

      • whammer44

        His point about spending is valid enough. Caps have highest payroll…Leafs are in the top 10. Ducks and Avs are in bottom 10 of payroll with the Avs being even lower than the Sens.

        Melnyk is an easy scapegoat. Granted he messed up the Alfie thing but I don’t think he was responsible for the shitty defensive play this year.

        • Jonny

          Sure anyone can say “dont spend stupidly” but you have to spend nonetheless. We will NEVER win a Cup with Melnyk.

        • TookieIs100PercentRight

          Everyone ends up spending. EVERYONE. Guess what, those RFAs need new contracts which is more money. Want to keep your home-grown talent? More money. Want to attract a free agent? More money. Want the best scouts, GM, coach? More money. It ALL requires an expenditure from the owner. The fun part though? All that money comes back to you in the form of PLAYOFFS and that’s a huge motherlode of income.
          People bring up Colorado but they’ll be paying MacKinnin, Duchesne and those kids. Sakic won’t be going: “You know what? It’s stupid to spend money, bye Nathan!”
          TOOKS100%OUT!!!!!!!

  • Guest

    Predictions?

    EAST

    Boston in 6

    Tampa Bay in 7

    Pittsburgh in 6

    Rangers in 7

    WEST

    Minnesota in 7

    Chicago in 6

    Anaheim in 5

    LA in 6

  • Sensturion

    Predictions?

    EAST

    Boston in 6

    Tampa Bay in 7

    Pittsburgh in 6

    Rangers in 7

    WEST

    Minnesota in 7

    Chicago in 6

    Anaheim in 5

    LA in 6

    • Jonny

      Wings in 7
      Montreal in 6
      Pit in 5
      Rangers in 6

      Colorado in 5
      Chicago in 5
      Anaheim in 4
      SJ in 7

  • Captain Karl

    Watching BM’s interview gives me hope for this team. Fans want instant gratification which we would have got with Spezza Hemsky Michalek but that lineup would stifle developement and would only be playoff contenders and not Cup contenders. He looks like he wants to stay the course with the young players developement and by the time they are ready in 2-3 years the elite teams of today (Bruins, Hawks, Sharks, Blues) will have had their time and be on the downslope. The future looks bright down the middle with Turris, Zibby and Lazar.

  • karlssens

    It is absolutely sickening how Melynk has Leeder making the most vague statements. This team is profitable, but he has to be vague and say “I like where we are” “we need to look at financials for specifics”. He’s the president, as if he doesn’t already know all the specifics.

    • Deadly

      Maybe,just maybe ,the profit and loss figures in a privately owned business is none of our business.

    • Harv

      Maybe you just have never been president of a very large complex company. “I like where we are” is a vague statement? Sounds pretty clear to me. “we need to look at financials for specifics”? Duh, yeh! That’s where you would find the specific as opposed to the general. The president knows all the specifics? What does he do in his spare time? The president has people who know the specifics and tell him the specifics when and if necessary.

  • jtf927

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    • laffin681021

      I’d be down

      • jtf927

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        • Aaron 2.0

          Thanks! I just signed up and made some picks based on initial feels. I’m notoriously bad at brackets (tend to do better in pools), so these are always a good fun challenge. And they take no time to complete – Maybe that’s my problem!

          • jtf927

            it’s good fun. it will be a good way for us to keep talking hockey. i am torn between boston b/c of chara and kelly and detroit b/c of alfie. wish they were not meeting in the first round.

          • Zelle

            As much as I want Alfie to get a cup I think they drew the short straw going up against Boston in the first round.

          • jtf927

            my thoughts exactly. they will be in tough. but, it will be an awesome series.

  • Harv

    So, we have driven a number of good players out of town and now we are working on Spezza. Next up – Karlson? Not satisfied though, we insist on telling the owner to take his money and go home as well. We hammer away at him even though he pours $10M a year into the club out of his own pocket. (Right – we don’t believe he actually does that.) And, we call him names and belittle him when he suggests the money should be spent wisely not foolishly. If anyone knows of another rich guy standing around dying to take Melnyk’s place, let me know because Bryden seemed to have problems finding a buyer years ago. Oh, and a lot of us want the coach gone as well. Geez, soon there will be nothing left but Greening in a jock strap.

    Never read so much negativity in my life.

    Sounds like Murray has a plan. Sounds like Murray has already implemented parts of his plan. Sounds like he just can’t talk about his plan right now without destroying his plan. Sounds like Ryan is staying. Sounds like Spezza is going unless Murray gets big bad Paul to stop telling Spezza to play two ways. Sounds like Murray likes his up and comers. Sounds like lots of excitement this off season.

    Can’t imagine what all the whining is about.

    That does not apply to those of you here who are actually discussing options and inputting your ideas.

    • freebird

      FREEBIRD

      • PraiseAlfie11

        Oh gawd…

    • Aaron 2.0

      Sounds sexy (Greening in a jock strap).

    • Millennium

      The Sens would not have a problem finding a buyer. Comparing the situation now to what Bryden was working with is disingenuous.

      Spezza isn’t (potentially) leaving because of the fans. We don’t make the decisions, and no one (other than you apparently) believes for a second that management trades players because of fanbase opinion. Spezza is leaving because of either money, wanting a cup he won’t get here, or being unhappy in the organization.

      Owners getting into hockey decisions is like a CEO coming down to R&D and telling them how to develop their product. He doesn’t know hockey, so leave the decisions to those that do (Murray et al). A ‘meddling’ owner is a major red flag in the NHL. Look at Tampa’s history.

      • Doc

        Well said!

      • Matthew Rutldge-Taylor

        I agree that if Spezza leaves it won’t be because the majority of fans want it. It will be because management (correctly, imho) believes the the team cannot win with him as part of the core.

      • Zelle

        Two signs of bad management:
        - Micromanaging (GM and Coach)

        - Promoting friends and family to unqualified positions (Cameron)

    • runningbear1974

      To me it’s pretty clear why Maclean “changed his approach”… And it’s not because of his ego after winning coach of the year…
      I think for 2 years he tried using nice words like “please do defense”… Then after 2 years of please, please… He changed his tune to “fucking do defense asshole, what’s wrong with you?”… And that made things kind of tense…

      • Matthew Rutldge-Taylor

        Which players would he be saying that too? Turris? No. MacArthur? No? Zibby? No? Must be Ryan! Nope…

        Imho, the players that we most guilty of bad defensive coverage were Spezza, Karlsson, and Cowen.

        In the case of Cowen, he just looked lost. I wouldn’t blame his effort. I hope that he gets his game in order next season, or he’ll be looking more like a bust.

        Karlsson, I’ll give a pass because he actually a lot better defensively that people give him credit for. He just has to learn when not to over commit offensively, and to stop giving up odd man rushes against.

        Spezza on the hand, I think, knows exactly what the coaches want of him, and he has decided to ignore them. He thinks that he knows best. Make risky plays in the offensive zone and pass instead of shooting. To his credit, he started to shoot more down the stretch, and makes way fewer blind passes than he used to, but he still doesn’t back-check hard, and seems to cheat offensively too much.

        If his play affected him alone it could possibly be excusable. The problem is that he is supposed to be a role model for younger players on the team. Right now, I’d much rather that Hoffman, Stone, Puempel and like look at Turris as an example of how to play “the right way”.

      • Zelle

        That, or before with Alfie it was easier to get effort out of the club if they were both preaching the same thing. If, like many people have said, Spezza and MacLean did not see eye to eye, then PM probably had to put his foot down as there was a clash in direction.

        • SENSsmile

          When Spezza scored his flashy OT goal against Pittsburgh in the season finale, I got a feeling that he was somehow flipping the bird to Sens management.

          It felt to me that he was making some sort of statement like: “You see, assholes, this is the type of player I am. I can be a spectacular player when you let me play MY way. Eff you, MacLean… eff you, Murray and eff you, Melnyk… I just scored my last goal in a Sens jersey, Eff the NTC, I’m outta here! ”

          Do you get that sense too or am I guilty of overactive imagination?

    • TookieIs100PercentRight

      Wake me up when Murray’s “Three Year Rebuld DERR Four Year Rebuild DERR Five Year Rebuild” produces a championship or cup finals. Until then, my spending on the team will remain low to nonexistant.
      TOOKS100% OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • WaitingSince92

    Don’t know if people have said it already, but I can’t help but assuming that the reason Murray was at the 5 UFAs’ exit interviews was because he wanted to cry poor to them directly.

    And no, Harv, we don’t believe Melnyk actually does THAT because he gives us wildly varying financial info to suit his purposes, while the real numbers are kept secret.

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    • Zelle

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  • sprucesens

    couple things. Sandy, On my previous post about trading spezza, 2nd and wiercioch to nashville for Roman Josi and Fillip Forsberg. Originally i had nashville sending us a 1st rounder in the deal originally. Then i thought about the deal more. 1 year of spezza, and PW for essentially 3 1sts? No guarantee spezza resigns, and no guarantee PW amounts to anything, let alone is capable of replacing josi. So while we get 2 great young players, and arguably for spezza, should be able to get more, we have to remember its only for 1 gauranteed year of spezza. I actually think this will be the biggest limiting factor to spezza’s destination. While many teams would probably love to have him for 2-3 solid pieces, most won’t take the gamble unless its a sign and trade. Hence lowering his value. I certainly don’t think we would get anything like Jones for spezza. But its certainly debatable. I just think it fits well in the direction we’d be going, for young top players, and is maybe reasonable enough for nashville. They get a top scorer which they’ve lacked forever, and have enough top D with Weber, Ellis, Jones and so on that they could suffer the blow of losing Josi. I could see spezza saying OK to nashville, quieter, and always a decent chance of making the playoffs. Played with fisher for many years, and would likely be free to be an offensive player, especially with no Trotz. They are making changes, and i can certainly see this as a possibility. Anyways on to my next point.

    • sprucesens

      The one thing i hate about the media, is how they ask the stupid questions. I’m talking, the one’s where you know there isn’t going to be an answer. “Spezza, how do you see your future with the team?” and he says, yeah i have a year left so, i’m a senator. Well, all the rumours suggest he is getting traded, or you wouldn’t be asking this question. How the F do you think he’s gonna answer?? It’s irritating to watch as a fan, must be horrible to be put on the spot in front of the entire digital world.

      To this point, it was nice to hear murray kind of state his opinions that was pretty much on par with how the fanbase generally feels. The only big non statement was the D. But it sounds like boro is getting a spot. So i’m guessing gryba is gone. Unless they try to keep the current D as our 7 D… could be a rough year again with that stance.

      • Brutus5247

        Interesting comment, never even heard him talk about Boro. Did he mention him?

  • WaitingSince92

    I see a lot of fans talking about the value of Spezza and how the return wouldn’t be high because it’s only one year. Have to remember that a sign and trade is equally plausible. Spezza has to waive to go anywhere, so presumably he’d pick somewhere he’d want to be long term. Murray would just have to get him signed to a deal that the trade partner would consider favourable.

    That, not to mention his salary next year is pretty low, considering his cap hit. He could put a good team over the top offensively – much better than a rental at increasing you cup odds.

    • FistsofNeil25

      I just don’t see a sign and trade scenario as likely. Those type of deals rarely ever happen. Why would Spezza even agree to such a thing when in just one year, he’s free to sign anywhere he wants, and he knows that if he has a healthy season next year that he has the ability to cash in big time. I know Spezza is a great guy and all, but I don’t see him doing the Sens any favors here, nor should he.

      There most likely will be a lot of teams interested in Spezza’s services this summer, but because of his NTC, one year remaining on his contract, and injury history, Murray is going to have to lower his asking price.

      That doesn’t mean that we won’t get a good return for Spezza, but I’ve seen people throw out trade proposals that include guys like Schultz and Shattenkirk from St Louis or Landeskog/O’Reilly from Colorado. These teams aren’t going to give up some of their best players for Spezza. The whole point of trading for Spezza would for him to play with their best players.

      • Sandy

        No way Murray should lower his asking price.. IF other teams want him… and according to Pierre McGuire.. there would be a lot of teams… Murray has to get as much as he can..
        Let the bidding begin.. if Spezza’s list includes teams that want him of course.
        That being said.. I want him to stay… This team has lost star players to other teams and they excel.. (Chara, Hossa, Alfie) I don’t want a repeat of that.. It will be a mistake to trade him.
        He had a bad year — especially at the start — and he struggled in way of being a captain. As McLean said, replacing a 17 yr captain is difficult enough.
        I feel very sorry for Spezza. All of the media questions are about him leaving the team…. Maybe this is all media driven.. we just don’t know..
        Let it play out. If he is still in Ottawa on July 1st.. I would expect him to stay. But then again, if teams don’t get that free agent they want… they may come calling to Murray.,..

    • Jonny

      Spezza wont sign longterm for a club he’s never played before. He’s gonna want to feel it out on the 1 year he has left, then re-sign if he likes the new team or go elsewhere.

  • whammer44

    The Ducks didn’t move up with our pick so I’m going to take it as an omen that the off season is going to be a positive one.

  • Doc

    So a roster player, a top prospect and a 1st? That’s a lot! Probably the starting asking price, but I’m still surprised at the request.

    • Hax

      I assume that implies a sign-and-trade where Spezza agrees to waive and the team we’re trading him too agrees to the extension we get Spezza to sign.

      • Doc

        You think? Might very well be.

        Curious to see if the same teams that were interested at the trade deadline still are.

        • FistsofNeil25

          There’s likely to be a lot of teams interested, but Spezz has that NTC so he gets final say. This has the potential to get pretty ugly.

          Spezza isn’t going to do the Sens any favors by waiving his NTC to the team that offers the best package, he’ll waive his NTC to the team that he wants to go to the most, and that’s going to lower his value as it always does in these situations like with Heatley and Nash.

          • Doc

            It didn’t for St-Louis. We’ll see, maybe one of the trading partner is actually a place that Spezza would be willing to go to.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Well Tampa got Callahan (UFA), a 1st rounder and a conditional 2nd for St Louis. If Callahan doesn’t re-sign, do you think mid-to-late first and 2nd round pick is good value for St Louis. I don’t. So we’ll see how that one plays out.

            If New York advances to the conference finals, then that conditional second becomes another 1st…. and if Callahan re-signs with Tampa then it becomes a steal for them for sure. That trade could easily become a signed Callahan + two first round picks.

            I think Spezza will have a few attractive options for trade destinations though. Murrays phone is going to be ringing off the hook with trade offers this summer.

          • Doc

            Considering that he only wanted to be traded to NY and no where else? Yes, I do think it was fair value.

            He pretty much handcuffed Tampa in that trade, and they got some decent value for him.

            Agreed on Murray being busy in the off-season. Lots of stressful situations coming up for him!

          • Deadly

            He might need a Doc.

          • Doc

            I make house calls for the right price.

          • runningbear1974

            Spezza has been extremely professional… I think he won’t make things hard…

          • Jonny

            Well he’s not about to help the Ottawa Senators, especially If he wants to leave cuz of the toxic mess the Org is in. He’s not going to do them any favours so they can get back good value for him, especially if it means he goes to a shit club offering the best deal, which is what will most likely happen, I dont see a contender giving up that asking price.

          • Matthew Rutldge-Taylor

            True. Spezza is a good guy. He’ll play ball if he feels like management is trying to treat him with respect.

        • Hax

          If there’s no extension then there’s no way we get three big pieces like that (IMO). Unless we get a bidding war of sorts between two first round exit teams and even then those teams would have to believe they can extend Spezza beyond next year.

          Look at the only real question mark around the Ryan trade – and that’s with two guaranteed years instead of one. If we let Ryan walk many will think we overpaid but if we extend him it’s pretty much considered a fair price for him (or better).

    • Jonny

      Surprised? I’m not, and nobody will match that, not for Spezza and Murray wont drop much lower…so. do the math. Gonna be hard to trade him to a contender with that asking price.

      • Colin

        I don’t think that you can tell what the return will be until the dust settles on the playoffs. Teams that think that they are contenders right now may get bounced early and go looking for the magic bullet that will get them over the top next year. One of those guys may pony up and get a deal done.

        • 383

          Exactly.
          I think the key teams to watch in the 1st round are teams from the STL/CHI, SJ/LA, and NYR/PHI series’. 3 teams are going to be very disappointed, maybe enough to make a deal for a Spezza.
          Especially if 1 of those teams loses a 1st round series because they couldn’t generate enough offense.

          • Pasky

            Spezza’s going West, he’ll probably burn us at some point if he stays in the East… unless an Eastern team is willing to give us a premium to trade them in our conerence

    • sbs138

      isn’t that what we gave up for Ryan? I don’t think that’s asking a lot.

    • TookieIs100PercentRight

      That’s what he gave for Ryan and what he wants back for Spezza. Difference is Ryan is much younger, healthier and in his prime production years.
      TOOKS100% OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • iKarly65

    Silfverberg, Noesen and OTT’s 2014 1st round pick for Spezza.

    • Doc

      No.

  • thepez

    Don Brennan has an article today saying that the Sens should trade Anderson this summer. For once I agree with him, but only if they can find a veteran to guide Lehner. What about trading Andy and signing Martin Brodeur. Brodeur can play 50, Lehner 32 and I would think that Lehner would be ok with learning from one of the best. Brodeur’s son is in Gatineau so maybe it would interest him in coming here. I know it’s a reach but I can’t see the Sens extending Andy to be a back-up to Lehner.

    • boom

      That would be a good idea, IF Brodeur was still capable of being a number 1 goalie. His stats have been declining pretty consistently over the last few years.

      Maybe if he came in and was willing to split the games, but not play the majority – but he says he wants to be number 1…

    • FistsofNeil25

      If Brodeur was here as Lehner’s back-up then fine, but Marty isn’t a very good goaltender anymore, in fact, he’s pretty bad.

      The word out of New Jersey is that Marty’s family will have a heavy influence in where he plays next. Like you mentioned, he has one son in the Gatineau area and another in Colorado.

    • whammer44

      No thank you. There are much better options. Not sure what kind of market there would be for Anderson. A glut of FA goalies this summer. My guess is he is likely here for this year and as the season goes along Lehner becomes #1

  • SensFanInMTL

    Why do I have the worst feeling that we will be in a hole for quite some time once Spezza is dealt with? I love the guy but realize no one man is bigger than any organization. It’s just too bad the guys on me display pic will never get a chance to play with him. Disappointed to say the least.

    So Chirp, according to Garrioch, Murray has already been shopping him, eh? That asking price is steep as tabarnak. There better be teams willing to bite! With one year left, he better be committed to waive his clause and sign with them. Player ready to help immediately, 1st rounder & prospect? .

    To Ottawa:
    Mike Richards, Tyler Toffoli, 2015 1st rounder

    There. That’s settled.

    • Don Ciccio

      Don’t want Richards he is at best a 3rd line centre now.

      • SensFanInMTL

        That’s as realistic as they come unfortunately bud. I have positive vibes that L.A. will hang up the phone on us the second we even bring up Kopitar or Carter.

        • Jonny

          I agree, anyone thinking Kopitar has lost its mind, Carter and Richards they will keep, only guy left is Brown. Richards is probably the real Captain in L.A. So Brown could be had I think. 20-25 goals and a playoff warrior dripping with leadership.

          • SensFanInMTL

            LMAO. But you did mention yesterday that he doesn’t bring leadership didn’t you? Or are you being sarcastic about Brown?

          • Senatollah

            must be a Brian Lee joke here somewhere

          • Sandy

            Apparently Richards is playing on the 4th line right now… and if they fall out due to not being able to score.. then you never know…
            Or you could go young… Toffoli, Martin Jones + 2015 first..

      • Jonny

        But you want Chris “cant skate” Stewart? Dear Lord, I hope Murray wasnt talking about Stewart when he said he wanted a hard worker…Cuz we already know Stewart aint that.

      • sbs138

        he’d be a first line centre on any team that doesn’t already have Anze Kopitar.

        • Don Ciccio

          have you seen his stats…..Why do you think LA wants Spezza

  • Bob

    My 2 cents on Spezza, The first game VS Det, was Jason’s best game to date, by far, therego the issue. If he could have played like that, 50% of the time, we’d be in the playoffs. We all know he can be a force, and wish he would have played like that more often. As a fan, its disappointing to see such talent, not being played to his full potential. dunno.. just me?

    • Brutus5247

      Most NHL coaches expect their players to play 200 ft except for maybe Washington. Spezza did as he pleased and dug the team into a large hole in many games. He wasn’t the only one. Murray wasn’t happy with Spezza until Hempsky came on board. Hempsky is IMO 90% gone. He was the only guy who could motivate and neutralize(speed and defensive awareness) Spezza’s defensive liabilities. Spezza was like a little boy pouting, get me someone good or I won’t play hard. I love the offensive flair that he has, but his defensive irresponsibility overweighs it.

      • Pasky

        It’s Hemsky not Hempsky but I’ll forgive you if your minds on the new Trailer Park Boys movie lol

        • Brutus5247

          Love TPB.

  • FistsofNeil25

    Melnyk is such a idiot. “Any idiot can increase payroll” he says. What a bunch of non-sense. “I expect to make the playoffs every year” he says. Okay buddy, good luck doing that on a budget when almost everyone else is willing or able to increase payroll.

    Does this man realize how hard much harder it just got to make the playoffs in the east with 16 teams? In this division? Boston is going to be good for a while longer. Tampa is on the way up. Montreal is solid (pains me to say that). Detroit is ALWAYS competitive and carry a winning tradition into every season. The Leafs just hired Shanahan who knows what it takes to win the big prize. Buffalo just hired a pretty smart guy who is going to take his time to build a dynasty, already stocked with good prospects. Florida has a plethora of good young players, just won the draft lottery, and has a new owner willing to spend to the cap.

    And then there’s Ottawa – the team run by an absolute maniac, totally unwilling to increase payroll because it doesn’t “guarantee” success – yet still expects to make the playoffs every single year. He drove Alfie away, he pretty much just made Spezza the scapegoat for this season instead of letting his GM handle business.

    I want to be excited about this team but man, Melynk just takes all wind right out of my sails. Are people going to want to continue to work for this man? Is he ever going to be willing to increase payroll? Ever?

    I don’t even know anymore.

    • SensFanInMTL

      Simply put, bud. We will be fucked for years I am thinking. He will single-handedly burn this team to the ground. There’s nothing left to say or do anymore. We will just have to witness and endure all the hardships for possibly many years to come. Would be funny if we even made the playoffs next year.

      But yes, he just dismantled 2007′s top line in a matter of 5 years. Yup. The entire top line!!!!!

      • The Apostle

        So we should keep them all because they were good 6 years ago. Spezza I can understand keeping, but Heatley is garbage (ask SJ or Minnesota whether he’s worth that 7.5 million) and Alfie is 42 years old and hasn’t been a to0p line player for 3 years.

    • Senatollah

      Yeah man, totally agree with you!!! Fucking GMBM making the Sens look like punks league wide for only paying his 1C $3.5million (and for HOW many YEARS will he be UNDERPAID) when he is worth so much more!!!! Any other idiot owner would rip up that deal and pay him the 7.5-8 he is worth. Just another reason why our payroll is so stupid low.

      What an idiot owner allowing a GM to have all these ELC on the team keeping the payroll down. GMBM should be spending to the cap so we dont have room to sign our young players when the come of their ELC. Nevermind, we should over pay crappy free agents to play here so those same young guys cant develop. Who needs a solid core.

      This owner is totally out of control. What a manic!!! How could someone who never played the game interfere in its operations and pretend to be a “hockey guy”? Just look at those idiot blue jays who destroyed their organization hiring a stats guy in AA, that little chubby f#$%er cant even swing a bat.

      • FistsofNeil25

        haha okay man but answer these questions then. Do you think the Sens can consistently challenge for the playoffs on a budget? Do you think we can contend on a budget? Do you think Melnyk will increase payroll when the time is right?

        I don’t even care that he isn’t willing to spend to the cap right now. I realize that we are still a young, developing team and that our window of opportunity is a few years away. What Melynk doesn’t make me believe is that he will be willing to increase payroll when the team is ready for a run.

        Do the comments made by Eugene yesterday make you feel good about the team’s future?

        “Any idiot can increase payroll”

        “I’ve spent to the cap and it doesn’t work”

        “we spend wisely”

        “We spend more on scouting and development” – this is a lie considering we have one of if not the smallest hockey ops staff in the league

        All fans want from Melnyk is to be honest with us instead of treating us like we’re idiots. Telling us that spending to the cap is for idiots and that he’s done it before and it doesn’t work is just a bunch of bullshit. I can’t believe anyone would defends his statements.

        • Senatollah

          Do you think the Sens can consistently challenge for the playoffs on a budget? YES
          Do you think we can contend on a budget? YES
          Do you think Melnyk will increase payroll when the time is right? YES – I BELIEVE HE SAID HE WOULD. HASNT HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO IT YET.

          Do the comments made by Eugene yesterday make you feel good about the team’s future? NO

          “Any idiot can increase payroll” – HE DOESNT DO POLITICS VERY WELL. LOOK AT ALL SPORTS – DALLAS COWBOYS HOW YOU DOING

          “I’ve spent to the cap and it doesn’t work” – HOW YOU DEFINE WORK = WINNING CUP OR JUST MAKING PLAYOFFS

          “we spend wisely” – MOSTLY TRUE, BUT COULD POINT OUT KOVALEV. ALSO SPENDING DOESNT ALWAYS = CASH. HAVE NOT ALWAYS DEALT WITH PICKS/PROSPECT WELL IN DEALS.

          “We spend more on scouting and development” – this is a lie considering we have one of if not the smallest hockey ops staff in the league NOT NECESSARILY TRUE. ITS NOT THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE ITS WHERE THEY ARE AND HOW THEY ARE DEPLOYED. MANY TEAMS SCOUTING DEPARTMENTS READ REVIEWS/REPORTS BUT DON’T PHYSICALLY ATTEND THE SAME AMOUNT OF GAMES (IN NA AND EUROPE) AS THE SENS DO. OUR COST/SCOUTING RESOURCE IS PROBABLY HIGHER.

          All fans want from Melnyk is to be honest with us instead of treating us like we’re idiots. Telling us that spending to the cap is for idiots and that he’s done it before and it doesn’t work is just a bunch of bullshit. I can’t believe anyone would defends his statements NO CUP

          • Senatollah

            BUT all that said. I also agree with the logic you put forward. IF any team doesn’t spend to the cap then they are not trying to WIN as they have the ability to go get another player who should be better than someone they currently have on the roster. Who cares if you bench/scratch/demote to minors lots of players if you can grab someone better. However at some point in time being at the cap you lose flexibility to make strategic decisions to better the team. Its not like baseball with a soft cap.

            the sens are also stuck with the young guys, plus a few good (favourable) contracts. So actual dollars (and cap counting) is lower than it would be otherwise. So i get why its low. If when the time comes he doesnt spend however, i will be mad as hell and fight by your side!

  • Don Ciccio

    Anyone else think that Murray already has a deal in place to get C. Stewart? I have a feeling that M. Hoffman will be one of the players going back because when asked yesterday about young players that could be given a roster spot next year, he mentioned that Stone is an NHL player and also mentioned Pageau and Lazar but not Hoffman.

    • Doc

      They already had a deal at the deadline that fell through. When listening to Tim Murray’s comments from yesterday, he seems to still want to trade with Bryan and by all accounts Stewart if still the player in play.

    • SensChirp

      Ya I think there is still something there for Stewart. Murray did mention Hoffman by name as a reason Conacher was expendable though.

      • FistsofNeil25

        A potential Stewart deal kind of scares me. If it were for Prince and a small + then I would be okay with it, but I wouldn’t be comfortable seeing Bryan give up much more than that.

        Stewart has one year left on his contract and is often labelled as lazy and inconsistent. Doesn’t sound like a guy we should add unless the price is very reasonable.

        Did you by any chance hear what Timmy’s asking price was at the deadline?

        • SensChirp

          They couldn’t get Tim off of Lazar so no deal happened. If Tim is still set on that, no deal will happen.

          • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

            And it shouldn’t… Stewart isn’t going to be the missing piece

          • FistsofNeil25

            That is hilarious! I don’t even want to imagine what negotiating with Tim would be like lol

          • whammer44

            No kidding. Tim probably knows the prospects better than Bryan. But he asks for Lazar the Bryan says ok then you throw in Grigorenko or Ristolainen

          • Doc

            I sure as hell hope not.

            He currently is our best prospect by far. One of the only untouchables.

          • SensFanInMTL

            No argument here.

      • Zelle

        I’ve been watching old games and I wish Conacher would have stayed, he’s the perfect bottom six guy that has potential to be top 6, in my opinion. Such a hard worker, he was involved in many goals but hardly ever credited in terms of points.

    • whammer44

      Prince is likely in play here. I have a hard time figuring out Stewarts value in a trade. I think he translates into a 25 goal-100 PIM guy. So if Prince is regarded as a good prospect does a roster player like Greening thrown in get it done?

    • Pasky

      Another reason might be that Hoffman’s contract is up so technically he isn’t signed for next season yet

  • SensFanInMTL

    I know this next question is going to be stupid and obvious but I will ask anyway. Is it safe to say that Spezza played his last game in a Sens uniform on Sunday?

    Finally, what will it take to get Melnyk to sell the team? Surely you and I can sign a petition but honestly, how far will it even take us? What else will it take? I’m willing to pitch in along with all the Chirpamaniacs and we can all purchase this team moving forward. Laugh if you must but think about it, there’s no other alternative to rid Melnyk out of this town. Or out of hockey for that matter. It’s become quite clear that he can’t own for shit and if we are starting to speak, surely he is doing a shit-ass job at owning.

    Alfie please come back in some capacity as soon as you retire, please.

    • Bob

      Gosh.. NHL teams rarely make money, I can’t afford to go to games with my family, not sure I’d want to be on the hook for a $10Mil loss each season, what we all lose if we pitched in to buy the team??

      • SensFanInMTL

        Haha, yes. Ok, so we all can’t pitch in to buy the team. So pretty much, we must observe and suffer with Melnyk’s wrath for years to come, damaging player’s reputation and being a fuckin cheapskate moron and players exit this great city. Strap up boys. We’re in for a monumental collapse.

    • whammer44

      The franchise is valued just under $400 million if I recall. As long as its value is going up I cant see him selling it.

    • Jonny

      Well, the Sens are not going to skimp out on a good deal just to trade Spezza. I could be wrong, they could take alot less and trade Spezza to a contender of his wish as a thank you for all he’s done OR IF Spezza accepts a trade to a lesser team offering the better deal as a favour to the Sens but I doubt any of those happen.

      So I expect to see Spezza back here for his last year. Maybe a deadline trade.

  • EK65

    If Spezza is moved, which I REALLY hope he isn’t, I really hope we chip in some forward prospects to get a guy like Turris at the time of the trade. Young, immense skill, willing to work and make the team better. Is it possible we could pry some of the blue chip guys who aren’t necessarily happy where they are playing?

    E. Kane, J. Tavares (would take a huge payment along with Spezza), Shea Webber, _______?

    Who else do you guys think is reasonable?

  • A-Train

    So Murray wants the Ryan asking price for Spezza. That’s going to be tough given Ryan was younger and there wasn’t a NTC to work around.

    • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

      I think it’s a reasonable starting point.

      • A-Train

        Oh it for sure is. Just think there are a few factors that would make it tough. There’s always the possibility Spezza is willing to waive this summer then truly test the waters next year on the open market. Just depends whether or not he minds bouncing around a bit.

      • TookieIs100PercentRight

        FAs in the last year of their contract rarely, if ever, return that much. Vanek is great and he got a 2nd round pick and a prospect. Gonchar got a 6th round pick (end of career though) and there was basically a parallen swap of Callhan for St. Louis. YOu’re either getting a smiliar player and cap hit back or you’re taking a loss. Remember that Spezza also has the NTC and isn’t going to waive to go to a shitty team like Edmonton or whatever.
        TOOKS100% OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • EK65

      Spezza is older, but gets way more points than Ryan. He’s a clear #1 C on most teams in the league, including Toronto. I love Spezza, but it would be amazing to see Leaf fans flop on hating Spezza.

  • SensChirp

    The elephant in the room here- The preferred landing spot for Spezza personally and probably the team that would give up the most for him…is the Toronto Maple Leafs.

    • 383

      No way.
      First of all, besides the fact that BM would never do that, they don’t even have enough to give us.
      MAYBE Kadri (although I hate him) Reilly and 2015 1st?
      Never happen.

    • whammer44

      Sure and he can sign there when he’s a FA.
      Unless BM can rob them blind there’s no way to make that trade

    • A-Train

      Yup. But they don’t have the pieces for a deal. Their first, Morgan Reilly and ? All stuff they won’t trade. They could be hoping he hits the market next year though.

      • SensChirp

        See that’s the thing. Easy for us to say Murray would never do that but if you know he’s heading there in a year anyway? Tough spot.

        Kadri, Gardiner and a 1st?

        • A-Train

          Well we know Murray liked Kadri at one point. We’d be getting into some truly bizarro territory there.

          Personally I feel like Spezza would be a great Montreal Canadien too … But not sure how that one would work either.

        • FistsofNeil25

          If I have to see Kadri in a Sens jersey then I’ll find another team to cheer for. Not to mention that Gardiner, although exciting to watch and gifted with the puck, is absolutely terrible defensively.

          I also don’t think giving up young assets for Spezza is a deal that Shanahan would be willing to sign off on. I think he’s going to be patient and hss a bigger picture, long-term fix for the Leafs.

        • Pasky

          Ugh

        • whammer44

          The only guys I would be interested in would be O’Rielly, Van Riemsdyk and Bozak…not sure how you swing anyone or two of those guys into a deal

          • Pasky

            I think they keep Van Riemsdyk to be on a line with Kessel and Spezza, him and Kessel have great chemistry and holy hell that’s a good top line

        • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

          I don’t know… Any of my friends who are leaf fans get so frustrated by Gardiner… I think Kadri could be a nice piece(although I hate him)

          • FistsofNeil25

            Kadri relies on his talent. He’s not a hard worked, has no interest in playing on the defensive side of the puck, and is all about himself.

            Kadri can suck it. I would boo the shit out of Kadri at every game if he was a Sen. Can’t stand that guy man. He’s not a player we want as part of our core.

            Don’t even get me started.

          • sbs138

            yes, lets run another player out of town.

        • Doc

          Switch Gardiner for O’Reilly or Franson and make sure the pick is for next year and I’m listening.

          Not sure Toronto would do that though.

        • The Apostle

          Kadri or Bozak + Franson

          • A-Train

            Bozak? I dunno man. Where does he slot in on the Sens? Even without Spezza?

          • whammer44

            Think he would be a good #3. Great on draws, defensively responsible and has some touch around the net.
            That said, I wouldn’t do the deal if he was they key piece coming back.

          • Pasky

            Would be a good #3 but not at 4.25M a season

          • FistsofNeil25

            Franson????????????????????????? Dude is a terrible hockey player.

          • The Apostle

            My point was not about those two players specifically, but more that this is my expected return for Spezza. I think we need to get away from thinking it’s going to be a blockbuster deal if he goes.

            I think an above average forward and a steady defender is about all we will get. Those thinking we are getting an established top 3 forward, plus a top 4 dman, plus a first rounder and going to be severely disappointed come June.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Oh I agree completely but Cody Franson is junk.

          • Brutus5247

            Everybody is terrible when you use the best players as a baseline.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Cody Franson makes Cowen look like a star…okay maybe I’m exaggerating but still!

          • TookieIs100PercentRight

            Franson isn’t terrible. He’s an RFA people. He’s still learning the game, has a decent physical game and ok puck-moving. We’d be getting two players we control.
            TOOKS100% OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

        • TookieIs100PercentRight

          ^^^ 2nd instead of 1st. Leafs aren’t giving up another first unless the return is a very young player with a ton of upside.

    • runningbear1974

      Spezza could become the most hated ex-sens ever…

      • Brutus5247

        Why?

        • runningbear1974

          if he plays for the maple leafs… he would become hated…

          • Brutus5247

            I think more people hate the team except MOntreal’s PK

          • A-Train

            The irony would be that half the Sens fan base would finally understand how good he is.

          • runningbear1974

            the irony is he’ll probably play his most intense hockey against us…

      • whammer44

        Nope not possible as long as people remember Yashin

        • runningbear1974

          I think Heatley is currently top of the list, and then Yashin…

          • whammer44

            Nope. Put them in a room with Sens fans and Yashin does get out in one piece

    • SensFanInMTL

      J’haii ca dans tout les formes. I cannot think of anyone I want from that poor excuse of a team. Ideally, it’s rare to see trades from same divisions. I say Spezza is going to play his final year because of not wanting to budge his NTC to move anywhere else than Toronto. Then he will walk on bad terms with us. Then he will dance around our D and light up the lamp once he arrives at CTC with his squad of shitty Leafs.

    • Pasky

      If we trade him to the Laffs, deal has to include Rielly, otherwise I don’t do it.

      Spezza & Wiercioch
      Kadri, Rielly & 8th overall pick

      • TookieIs100PercentRight

        They aren’t sending Rielly over or their first.
        Kadri, Gardiner, 2nd.
        TOOKS 100% OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Hannibal

      Reilly and a first would have to come back as a starting point, otherwise there should be no deal. Spezza cannot be blamed fro wanting to play and possibly end his career there, most GTA based players who have achieved fame playing elsewhere always want to find their way back to Toronto.

    • A-Train

      The other thing is this: do we really know he’d love to play in his home town? Leafs fans and media often say this about players from the gta, but there’s not much evidence that it’s true.

      We do know Spezza is buddies with Clarkson though.

      • whammer44

        Yeah thats true and look how well that went for Clarkson

      • TookieIs100PercentRight

        Dave Hodge said a while back his family expects him to end up a Leaf.
        It’s pretty much a given he’d like to play near Mississauga.
        TOOKS100% OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Cicero

      I disagree. When Spezza was an emerging prospect, and early in his career, undoubtedly yes. I think, like many others, he’d prefer to go to a West coast team that needs a push to win the Cup.

      Think Spezza is not appreciated enough here? Going to the Leafs in their current state would be professional suicide.

    • Sandy

      I want nothing Toronto has… and to see him succeed for that bloody blue team would hurt so much….

      • peetypuck

        LOL Red and black are much better colours.

    • TookieIs100PercentRight

      Kadri, Gardiner, 2nd.
      They aren’t trading Rielly, that kid is really good for them. Gardiner is on the outs if Carlyle stays anyways.
      TOOKS100% OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Cicero
    • xN1Cx

      streak would suffice as well :)

  • Brutus5247

    Not saying this is going to happen but Cowens buyout /capgeek is as follows. Can this be right?

    2014-15: $1,005,556

    2015-16: $5,556

    2016-17: -$794,444

    2017-18: $605,556

    2018-19: $605,556

    2019-20: $605,556

    • Sandy

      Give up on a 22 yr old D? No way.. Besides Melnyk is too cheap to do a buyout.
      Cowen, this season, was put in a position to fail — not to succeed. Murray admitted they put him in a bad spot this season…

  • MethotToMyMadness

    I don’t want Spezza gone, but if it happens, I’m looking at the scenario as a very big plus for this team, if we are able to get what the asking price is. Current player, prospect and #1 rounder. I think we have to throw the idea out the window that whomever is sent our way, will replace Spezza’s point production. You can sit and work it every way possible, it won’t happen. So you simply just have to accept that fact. With that gone, it makes it easier to look at it from a building process.

    Now the tricky part, which Teams would Spezza agree to be traded too? Does that list expand if Murray is able to work out something that helps the team? Obviously we all would LOVE to see a trade with a bottom feeder so we get closer to that 1st overall next year, because that is the Draft that everyone is after. But you should expect Spezza will have only contenders on his list. While he will have contenders, he will also want quality minutes. So any team he goes too, I expect he’d want to be a 1st or 2nd line C, not a 3rd. So that limits the Teams somewhat.

    Looking at the Teams today who’ve made the playoffs and could use either a 1st or 2nd liner especially is someone is moving out, I picked 7. (I don’t know how many teams he would provide). My thoughts are teams like Colorado, St. Louis, Chicago, Tampa, Rangers, Minnesota and you guessed it, Detroit. You just can’t leave them off the list because of the history they have making the playoffs. And Spezza and Alfie have chemistry, if Alfie stays.

    If those are Teams, who would you go after?

    • FistsofNeil25

      Good question! Obviously I would go after each of those teams best players but based off of Garrioch’s rumored asking price of roster player + prospect + pick

      Chicago – Andrew Shaw + Teuvo Teravainen + pick

      St Louis – Berglund + Rattie + pick

      Rangers – Brassard + Kreider + pick

      Tampa – Palat + Erne + pick

      Minnesota – Coyle + Zack Phillips + pick

      Detroit – Tatar + Smith + pick

      Colorado – Barrie + McGinn + pick

      I didn’t really take the salary cap into consideration here though ..

      • Pasky

        Taking salary cap into consideration Chicago is the only one way off… They already sit at 67M next year. I would try

        Chicago – Bickell + Hjalmarsson

        MacArthur-Turris-Ryan
        Bickell-Zibanejad-Stewart

        Not a bad Top 6

      • Jakester

        Serious dreaming on a couple of those trade ideas!

  • SensFanInMTL

    So if everyone hates Kadri, simple. We flip him.

    • Senatollah

      for Suban?

  • Miguel

    From a loyal fans perspective, I do not think I could be more disappointed by the outlook of this team for next year.
    Yes Murray is a breath of fresh air, but the stench from last season will still linger next year, and cannot benefit from a Spezza departure.
    Spezza is as good as gone, and the Sens manage to make sure that everyone knows this, which in turn means that the 2 teams Spezza picks, can low ball us in a return… iditotic IMO
    The lone highlite of Hemsky, will also be gone next year.
    MM9… who cares at this point
    But on the flip side we have Phillips for two more years! FAK
    Greening first of 3 years
    Cowen first of 4 years.
    Another year of stupid coaches decisions on who plays and sits, and 4th liners on our PP.
    Really not sure how the interviews form our leaders gives us any hope for a better season next year.
    This I can say, If I have to sit through PM’s stupid game decisions, and Phillips on my top 4 D and on the PP with Greening and Neil, I will have to take a hiatus on hockey for one year.
    This will save on damage my living room, my TV and potentially my marriage!
    ( yes still venting from the start of the playoffs tonight without my team )

    • SensFanInMTL

      You’re absolutely spot on. Which is why with the same exact team next season along with first year players with inexperience, we will get McDavid. Murray is smarter than everyone thinks. Guy’s a muthaphuckin genius.

      • A-Train

        I just don’t see us being bad enough for McDavid.

        • Pasky

          Agree on that one, so we win the lottery!!!!

          • Brutus5247

            Got to have some luck to win the lottery …ask Tim M.

        • Miguel

          that precisely is the reason for my frustration, “seeing us that bad”
          but that means that we will likely be bad.

        • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

          I don’t think that it is impossible… Although I think it would take us trying to be that bad

        • Doc

          Lottery’s a crap shoot anyways.

          Look at yesterday’s results.

      • peetypuck

        I’ve been thinking the same thing. Trading Spezza and Anderson for prospects/draft picks and keeping Michalek next year for cap purposes makes the Sens a young, inexperienced team. The defence needs another year or two to mature anyway.

  • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

    Man oh man its going to be pleasant in here over the summer!

    • SensChirp

      This thread has been reasonable so far, hasn’t it?

      • Doc

        Surprisingly yes.

      • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

        For the most part yes… Just think the writing is on the wall

      • FistsofNeil25

        It was reasonable until you floated the idea of Spezza to the Leafs and then suggested Kadri and Gardiner as part of the deal lol

        • Zelle

          If Kadri were on the Sens he’d be suspended so fast for his hits lol

          • FistsofNeil25

            He’s a punk. I don’t even hate him because he’s a Leaf, I’ve hated him since before his NHL career began. Watching him represent Canada at the World Junior’s, I was really turned off by a lot of his antics and attitude. I remember him making a throat slashing gesture to some kid on the Swiss team. Just don’t like him.

            He’s talented and all but he comes across as extremely self-centered and isn’t even close to being a good 200ft player. He’s also known to have a lousy work ethic.

            The thought of him taking away ice-time from Zibanejad who is learning how to play the game the right way and who works his ass off every shift is sickening to me lol

          • Zelle

            I was a fan at first when I saw his skill set but that quickly changed after I saw his attitude and his complete disregard for the safety of others on the ice. I never want him in a Sens uniform.

  • MethotToMyMadness

    If Spezza is to be traded, please let it be with Colorado. In Colorado, we always hear the name O’Reilly, and I do think he would fit well in Ottawa and plays a great two way game. I just don’t see them parting with Landeskog, who would be my ultimate 1st choice, we can all dream. Maybe we can even get Benoit back, lol.

    I don’t know many of the prospects, besides Brad Malone. And Malone has been with the Team for the remainder of the season and looks like he’ll stay. So i can’t seem them moving him and another roster player. Plus, we don’t need 2 C’s in the deal, we have too many in our prospect pool as it is.

    The biggest reason I’d be up for a Colorado trade, is because I think we’d have a great chance making a 1st rnd pick turn into a high pick. Colorado has a tendency to do well/ok one season, then completely fall off the radar the next while getting a great draft pick. They have done this for many years in a row, this is how they managed to get a stacked team over the last 8 seasons. They have made a few good trades too, but the fluctuating season finishes are the main reason. Considering how high they went this year, I just cannot see them repeating that next season, especially after a playoff run. So with some natural regression, there is a very good chance of sneaking out a high 1st round draft pick, if that is included in the package.

  • Andrews theory

    Let’s say a deal goes down with the Leafs for Spezza which is pretty much unthinkable

    Putting aside the first rounder, who do you need in return to make that deal If ottawa needs a roster player and a top prospect.

    • Andrews theory

      Just saw the thread below, my apologies I hadn’t loaded more comments

      I’d want Reilly, not sure beyond that

      • FistsofNeil25

        Me too. It would have to include Reilly or JVR as the centerpiece. I don’t want any of the Leafs other trash.

        Their prospect pool is garbage and other than Reilly the rest of their defense makes me laugh.

        I would assume JVR and Reilly are untouchable but that’s all they have that interests me.

        Kadri sucks.

    • Zelle

      The only two forwards that spark interest are Kessel and JVR and neither of them are 200ft players and then their defense is as bad/young as ours so I don’t see a trade to Toronto happening.

    • Pasky

      Well if Murray does like Kadri, that might be who he asks for. I don’t he how he helps this team though, we don’t need a small forward like that.

      Personally, the conversation with me would start with Rielly. Young, talented defense with a big enough frame and shoots left. Would slot in nicely with Karlsson with a couple years of maturing.

      And I would ask for the first of this year, since I’m sure with Spezza the Leafs would make the playoffs next year. 8th Overall, I would draft one of, in order of availability, Ritchie-Virtanen-Perlini. All big bodied wingers, which this team could definitely use.

      • Andrews theory

        I actually like the upside with Kadri, where I see there being a problem is what happens with Zibanejad? Does Kadri slot in at 2 and Zib stays at 3?

        • Pasky

          I prefer Zib but that’s cause I think Kadri is a whinny bitch. Thing to remember about the Leafs is that they may not have the cap space to take on Spezza. They’re already at 50M with only 12 players signed, so If the leafs want him we’d be taking back some salary. So Looking at they’re roster, I’m thinking either Lupul or Bozak would come back our way.

          • Andrews theory

            I fully appreciate that Clarkson has a shit year but if the
            Leafs agreed to retain a big chunk of his salary, is it not possible he’d be part of a package coming back?

            Certainly fills the “sticking up for his team mates” comment that Murray alluded to and I don’t think he’s near as bad as he was last year.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Stop it.

          • s3nsfan

            Suggesting Kadri and Clarkson come back in a Spezza deal. All i can say is WTF and again WTF.
            Seriously, that would never happen, we need (as in the GM’s OWN words) bigger stronger forwards, for which neither of them fit that description AND defence.

            Not happening, plain and simple

          • Pasky

            Maybe they also flip Anderson for Reimer in the trade, as an upgrade in goal, but that’s an extra 10M for Toronto to take. At the end of the day the Salary Cap will determine a deal involving the Leafs

          • A-Train

            God help us all.

          • Doc

            Not sure if serious…

    • A-Train

      Murray (and Melnyk) know the implications of dealing Spezza to the Leafs. I really think it will only happen if they can pry Rielly and this year’s 1st out of the Leafs. Generally I think Toronto won’t pay that price. If they really want Spezza they’ll most likely roll the dice and see if he’s available UFA.

      • TookieIs100PercentRight

        That isn’t going to happen. Nonis has said Rielly is an untouchable and they aren’t moving the 8th pick either. It’s Kadri, Gardiner and a 2nd.
        TOOKS100% OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • A-Train

    Honest question: If Spezza came back to the CTC in a Leafs jersey, would he hear fewer…or more…cheers from the stands?

    • Doc

      Just a weird combination of white noise is my guess.

    • my2sens

      Wouldn’t he want to go to a contending team!?

  • Zelle

    What I’d like to hear this off season (Spezza/Hemsky aside):
    - Negotiations with Bobby ended with a contract extension
    - Negotiations with MacArthur ended with a contract extension
    - Methot is interested in staying a Senator
    - Anderson will be traded for a veteran backup for Lehner and some picks or prospects

    • A-Train

      I think there’s a good chance the first three will happen. But Anderson will be here for the duration next season — Murray likes the tandem and feels Lehner’s not quite there yet.

      • Zelle

        I’d feel comfortable with the tandem if I hadn’t listened to Anderson’s interviews. I’m worried he’ll cause issues if they try to play Lehner more, and I would like the team to play Lehner more otherwise he’ll never be ready.

  • Dirk-Diggler

    I wish Spezza had 2 more years left on his current deal and not one.
    That way we could keep him around next season and really see where a
    healthy JS19 with a year under his belt of captaincy would be. But after
    hearing everything yesterday it’s all but confirmed that he will move
    on.

    Ok so let’s focus on the positives of moving him and not the negatives.

    1. Turris and Zibanejad will get more quality minutes and they will both be on cheap contracts.

    2. The team will be better defensively with 7 and 93 carrying the play.

    3. Saving the money opens up cap space/budget for the team to pick up a ‘hard winger’ such as Callahan

    4. The team gets younger and a new core is developped

    5. We will gain an asset or two if we move Spezza

    6. Our window get’s delayed by a season or two but it will stay open longer after that…

    7. The drama surrounding Spezza’s contract and the media’s attacks on him dissapear (and hopefully don’t shift to 65).

    8. I get to by a new jersey (Alfie and Spezza is all I have now, and a
    personalized one that I got free from the team as part of my STH
    benefits a couple seasons ago). I am thinking Lehner in heritage cream!

    • Zelle

      Turris! You have to believe they will be keeping him for as long as possible. But yes I love all your points. Watching old games it’s ridiculous how Bobby’s game picked up after being on Turris’ line with MacArthur. Those three just see the game the same way and play almost the same style, I think that’s why it works so well. Probably why Spezza and Hemsky gelled too.

    • spezzerman

      maybe stay away from the Lehner jersey, you seem to be a jinx. :) Maybe get a Melnyk jersey?

  • Pasky

    Just to get off of the trade scenarios for a bit, what do you guys see for some of our free agents this year?

    Michalek – Resigned if he accepts short term round 4M
    Hemsky – Gone
    Hoffman – 2 year 1.5M
    Kassian – Gone
    Gryba – Gone, maybe rights traded away (Boro’s 1-way this year already gives us 7Ds, without Gryba)
    Lehner – 2 year 3M

    • Mat

      Michalek 4 million!! Is that for 2 years?? No way he’s worth more than 2. Id rather close the books on him.

  • sbs138

    I’m done with this team if the Sens trade Spezza.

    • SensChirp

      What if he wants to be traded? (PS, he does)

      • sbs138

        I still blames the Sens for that…ownership/media/fickle fans. who are we going to push out next?

        • SensChirp

          You blame the team for the media and fickle fans?

          • sbs138

            not the team…ownership/media/fickle fans have to be the major factor for Spezza requesting a trade. no?

          • Doc

            So it’s everyone’s fault BUT the player.

            Got it.

          • s3nsfan

            Especially when the PLAYER requested it, why is it everyone hated Heatley for requesting a trade but now that it’s spezza it’s the teams fault for the media and fickle fans.

            People make no sense to me, it’s hockey, teams are in the process of getting better to win a cup, if a player doesn’t fit in you trade him. Cheer for the jersey not for the player, wtf.

          • sbs138

            not sure that I can agree that trading Spezza will make us better. I guess we’ll see.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Short term it doesn’t make us better. Long-term, hopefully.

          • sbs138

            so who do we blame and trade next year if we miss the playoffs?

          • Pasky

            Cowen

          • FistsofNeil25

            I’m not blaming Spezza for this season. He was part of the problem but he wasn’t THE problem.

            There reasons to trade him and reasons to keep him. I just think big picture and long term, trading him is the right decision. The reasons for not trading him are rather short-sighted.

          • not YOUR wingman

            Eugene Pinchpenny – same person to blame this season

          • Doc

            The fickle fans of course.

          • sbs138

            Spezza’s fault? he wants out for no reason? just because?

          • Doc

            What does it matter? If he doesn’t want to be here, then I don’t want him here.

            Why is the ownership/media/fickle fans not an issue for the other players?

          • sbs138

            not yet. ownership ran Alfie out.

          • The Apostle

            If the organisation wants to play a certain way and it’s clear that that certain way doesn’t fit a particular player’s skill set it is better for both parties if the player moves on.

            Melnyk and Murray both believe that MacLean is the best person to take us into next year and although the players “have to” say that they did seem to be genuine in the interviews I saw.

          • The Apostle

            So you blame the fickle fans for driving a player out of town and your response is to be more fickle?

            I don’t like some of the decisions the team has made but players leave. My favourite player left the sens some time ago and I didn’t become a Predators fan and people didn’t become Thrasher fans when Hossa left and I didn’t see too many new Redwing fans when Alfie left.

            People support the team, players come and go. People claiming that they’ll stop supporting if player A goes or player B goes are just spouting hot air.

            Spezza leaving or staying will not make one iota of difference in how wholeheartedly I support the sens as a team. Maybe expectation will be tempered but it doesn’t stop me going to the games, or watching them. That’s not how it works.

          • sbs138

            I suppose I am spouting hot air because I will always cheer for the Sens. I guess I would just be majorly disappointed to lose a star player because due to off-ice issues…if it is actually that. I guess we’ll wait and see.

          • Zelle

            I tend to cheer for the Senators as a team but cheer on individual players on other teams ( as long as they are not competing against the Sens of course! ).

          • Miguel

            well said Apostle, and agree in principle,
            however PMac has turned a successful team into a rebuilding team.
            Spezza leaving will certainly set us back a year or two.
            As a Sens fan the toughest part is that they seem to have really good player leave the organization, and keep the players that I have grown to dispise
            Alfie gone
            Spezza Hemsky Leaving
            Unsure about Ryan Methot
            - Greening here for another 3 years
            – CP4 Cowen here for another 2 + 4more agonizing years
            Plainly he players leaving, are great players, while the players resigning are seriously hurting this team.

          • The Apostle

            No, PMac turned a rebuilding team into a still rebuilding team. No doubt we took a backwards step this season, but anybody who thought that the Sens were the finished article at the conclusion of the 2012/13 season probably isn’t allowed near sharp objects.

            In what both MacLean and Murray said in the media, the coaching staff (and this is all on MacLean) took the decision to be harder on the players and it didn’t work.

            I agree that some of his decisions seemed mystifying but you can’t state as fact that every decision he made cost the team points.

            Spezza leaving doesn’t automatically set us back any time, it turns us into a different team. In fact it makes us a lot closer to the team that got to the 2nd round of the playoffs in 2013. If Spezza leaving brings back the tough forward that Murray covets and a decent blueliner, that makes us a better team – but not the free wheelin goalscoring one we traditionally have been.

          • Zelle

            By Ryan’s own words he wants to stay a Senator and be committed to this team. As for Methot I believe he will stick around.

            Also Hemsky played a whole half season with us. Granted it was great watching him play but is that enough of a sample pool to say he’d be a great player for this organization?

            Greening was a bad contract. He’d be a good fourth liner if he could work hard on improving in the defensive zone though. Also he needs to use his body/size more.

            Phillips that signing makes sense if you consider the whole veterans leaving thing, especially since they lost Alfie and now Spezza was asking about other clubs. He can be useful if he’s relied on less, IMO.

            Cowen is 50/50 for me. I see potential, but I also see too many grueling mistakes being made over and over again.

            Every one of your posts is basically bashing Maclean and blaming him for everything.

          • Miguel

            yup I hated many of PM’s decisons this year, and so did many of his own players, So I do blame him for not making the playoffs this year
            And if I hear Veteran leadership for CP4 one more freakin time I will snap!
            What leadership, show them how not to play in your own damn end? Show them how to point to the open man he could not get too cause he too freakin slow?
            Why not ask Chelios to come out of retirmement or ask Luke Richardson to put the skates back on for leadership? Both are a hell of a lot better than CP4 is today!

          • whammer44

            From what I can tell you are missing someone in your blame game. Seems everything I’ve read/heard its because of MacLean that Spezza wants out. If you heard Murray he said as much in his presser…Pmac changed his style and challenged players. I assume SPezza didn’t like being challenged

        • not YOUR wingman

          all fans are fickle

        • Mat

          I blame the fans. And that’s a good question. My guess is Philips takes the abuse for now and perhaps Karlsson down the line? Cause lets not pretend he’s not exactly like Spezza…

      • spezzerman

        are you saying that based on what went down yesterday or other information you are privy to?

        • SensChirp

          Wrote about it a week ago. Does anybody ready what I write anymore?! Haha

          I’m gonna just start posting a funny picture each day and then you guys can talk about whatever the hell ya want :)

          • spezzerman

            you mean where you let us know he quietly was asking if there was interest at the deadline? Wanting to be traded and being open to it are entirely different. I still think he could resign with Ottawa, not a foregone conclusion.

    • Jakester

      Don’t let the door hit you on the way out! Sens will have an exciting product next year don’t get all negative.

    • Skeleton

      Haha. I bet way more people are done with the Sens if they don’t deal Spezza and/or let him walk via FA.

      • sbs138

        according by SC’s pole from the other day…more fans want Spezza to stay than to be traded.

  • Turbo_Prop

    At 14:45, really sounds like a deal is already set up:
    “Do we flip a player or two to get a different type of veteran guy…I wish I could tell you everything today, and I could, but I am not going to”

    It had been mentioned that Ottawa was looking at Chris Stewart at the deadline- I wouldn’t be suprised if going ahead with that deal is what he is talking about there.

    • Hax

      Tim Murray said as much in his presser as well. Forget the exact wording but along the lines that they had a deal in place at the deadline but ultimately didn’t pull the trigger and that they might still make that deal.

      So I think once Murray had Hemsky he opted not to deal for (Stewart?) or whatever Buffalo was offering. If Murray can resign Hemsky maybe he goes that route only but if he can’t maybe he pulls the trigger on the Buffalo deal?

  • Pasky

    I think who trades for Spezza will largely depend on the outcomes of the 1st round of playoffs. I can see St-Louis and LA getting bounced in the first round because of a dried up offense, so that would make them interested. If Colorado, Chicago or Anaheim get bounced in the 1st round then they too would look for an upgrade, especially Chicago and Anaheim for another top center.

  • aegiszx

    Would anyone entertain the idea of acquiring the Sedins? Actually serious question, as ridiculous as it sounds, what do you think the asking price would be?

    If you guys follow Karl’s tumblr/twitter, he’s pretty big on his countrymen (he calls/texts Alfie pretty frequently apparently…), stays in touch with Backstrom and Landeskog, and he was shocked at Silf/Regin(which I didnt know Regin can speak Swedish fluently) leaving. I think the smart thing to do would be to keep him happy… for the next 10 years lol.

    Can you imagine:
    Mac – Turris – Ryan
    Sedin – Sedin – Zibby <<<< WTF

    /takes off rose coloured glasses…

    • Zelle

      As much as I like the Sedin magic, they get shut down fairly easily in the playoffs.

    • Mat

      I don’t think the Sedins bring the Power Forward qualities that Murray was describing in his shopping list for the summer.

  • Pasky

    Something is going to change in our back end this year. I know it didn’t get mentioned during the press conferences, but looking at the D signed for next year, we have 5LD and 2RD, Grybe getting re-upped would give us 3RD. MacLean Likes to have 3 of each on his roster, which is why Wiercioch spent so much time in the press box.

  • Zelle

    Let’s give Clarkie some support!
    http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=449513

  • Dirtysweetness

    I really don’t get the rationelle even mentioning dealing Spezza? Doesn’t that put us into a weaker position trade wise?

    • Hax

      By all accounts it’s Spezza that’s asking out. You don’t think his agent is calling every NHL team Spezza wants to play for already?

      I don’t think it changes much – if anything it just helps fans prepare for it.

      • thepez

        If it’s true that he wants out then he has to be moved. I recall the last time this happened (not Alfie) that Chara wanted out and the Sens went to the Cup final. I’m of the belief that the team gets results not individual players. Maybe just maybe this may work out well for the Sens if handled properly.
        I know this is not the same thing but the Flyers did give the Avs their Stanley Cups by acquiring Lindros.

      • Dirtysweetness

        To this point, it’s all been speculation that Spezza wanted out. Why not keep it under wraps until he’s dealt? I think it almost puts us in a similar position we were in with Heatley.

        • Hax

          Well my point is that it would never be a secret to other teams. Spezza’s agent will let the other teams know his guy wants to get traded there. It’s really not that different from Heatley except that both sides in this case have left the door wide open to return (at least publicly) so Murray does have an easier option to hold on to Spezza into next year if he doesn’t feel he’s getting a fair deal. Heatley seemed to make it clear that he wouldn’t even show up at camp or at the very least be a distraction if he did.

    • A-Train

      I don’t think anyone from the team’s actually come out and mentioned it. But rumours + non-committal answers equal where we are now. Really hard in the current media environment to keep a lid on anything.

  • Zelle

    A comment on the TSN board:
    “If I am a Sens fan I would hope this guy sells the team. I have my
    issues with the Aquillini’s but they come across as all star owners
    compared to Melnyk. No wonder there are so many empty seats even when
    the sens are good. What owner attends several players exit interviews. I
    mean wow.”
    :(

    • thepez

      As Melnyk said, he chatted with a few guys. Really is that a big deal? Sounds like the media are making a big deal about it. I bet you that every owner at one time or another talks to their players to get their opinion. Nothing wrong with that.
      Of course if he starts acting like Jerry Jones then we have a problem.

      • Pasky

        I think the big deal stemmed from the first set of comments yesterday. The second interview is when he said that he talked to a few guys on the side, and it wasn’t even during the exit interviews with BM it was a seperate thing altogether. So it was mostly misinterpreted information that he backtracked on later.

        • thepez

          I agree with you but people still keep bringing it up even though he clarified the situation. Unfortunately the only facts we have come from the media and half the time they get these things wrong.

          • Hax

            “Clarified” or spin-doctored? Though honestly I’d be relieved to see Melnyk actually understand enough about the fans to actually spin doctor.

            I’d like to think that his first comment was misleading and he really did just ask Phillips how the Big Rig was going but I find myself picturing Melnyk asking Bryan to let him sit in on some exit interviews so he can tell the players they’re not worth that much money etc.

    • sell the team Eugene

      One of people that Melnyk indirectly called an idiot yesterday owns
      the Detroit Red Wings.
      The guy whose team is in the Playoffs for the 23rd straight time.

      I don’t know the name of the DRW owner (a good thing) but I’m sure that the entire hockey world knows who owns the OS

      • spezzerman

        i think its pretty well known that the Illitch’s own the Red Wings, but its well known because they are essentially the ideal owners of a sports franchise. Dont meddle, build legacies.

    • thepez

      So now we are taking advice from Canuck fans?
      OK lets say Melnyk does sell the team, are there any guarantees that things don’t get worse? At least we have him saying that he will keep the Sens in Ottawa for a long time. Does anyone remember how really bad things were when Rod Bryden owned this team? They were one step out of town and had players buying season tickets.
      Melnyk can’t keep his mouth shut and talks out loud like a fan, but at least it may be better than the alternative.

      • Zelle

        Not asking for advice, just noticing that we’re not the only fans considering his behavior kind of out of the ordinary.

        • thepez

          Just so you know it is speculated that the Aquillini’s are the people who hired Torts even though the GM was totally against the hiring.
          Very true what you say about his behaviour and I thought the same thing prior to the clarification. Plus being a bit older now, I also realize that 90% (give or take a few percentage points) of what we hear from the players, coaches,GM’s and owners are lies anyways. The unfortunate thing is that we the fans and media get sucked into it.

          • Zelle

            I was also against hiring Tortorella he pisses me off.

            True about getting sucked into it. Some people just shouldn’t give speeches though and I think that includes Melnyk. Whether or not he’s doing well gets completely forgotten when he speaks because he rambles, says too much, or too vaguely, and leaves everything wide open to speculation. He’s also insulting. Not to mention constantly bringing up the internal budget without being asked. It just pisses people off and/or confuses them.

          • peetypuck

            It really turns people off listening to him complain about the salary cap.

      • I’m just sayin’

        the probability of a new owner being worse than Melnyk is less than 1 %

        • thepez

          Rod Bryden and Bruce Firestone may have been the worst owners in the history of sports. If the NHL was not so desperate for 50 million back in the day, Ottawa would never have had a team.

          • Loyd

            John Spano?

          • not YOUR wingman

            BAD analysis by you.
            Firestone was a “used car salesman” who got in over his head.
            Bryden was an honest guy who did the best he could with the hand that he was dealt.

            Neither did hard time in prison like Harold Ballard and Bruce McNall.

    • Jonny

      Yep its League wide now, we are amongst the laughing stock of the NHL.

  • esk

    spezza wants out? where does it say this? my guess is he feels he doesnt fit in anymore…it seems like everyone feels the same way. This doesn’t mean he will get traded…they will first try to talk it out. so calm down folks. Same stuff has happened in the past before…alfie.

    • Pasky

      Yea but Alfie was always more liked than Spezza. He has been a whipping boy since day 1 here, so eventually that takes a toll on you. And at his age he’s thinking about a Cup. There might be a small chance that he doesn’t get traded but an extension won’t happen till mid-season at least, and I wouldn’t want to risk losing him for nothing, or trades getting worse throughout the year.

      I think at this point it’s not so much that he NEEDS to be traded, but as long as someone is willing to give what BM is asking a deal gets done.

    • Doc

      You talk about it being all speculation, and then you say that the whole team thinks the same way (not fitting in).

      • esk

        It is speculation…I don’t think he is 100% going to get traded but based on the interviews you get a sense that they are not on the same page. They will chill for a month or two and revaluate the situation. My guess is he wont get traded… i don’t see them trading him and being a cup contender at the same time…isnt that murrays goal? cup in 1-2 yrs?

        • Doc

          You’re kidding yourself if you think we can compete for the cup in 1-2 years.

          It’s already been said that the internal budget will be around 56-57 for next year. Forget about competing.

          • esk

            lol im just going with what they they been saying. I don’t see why not. If everyone played to their potential this year..we would be a contender.

          • Doc

            I like your optimism but I really disagree.

          • esk

            i just hope spezza wants to stay and we keep him…he steps up and we win the cup and i party for a week straight

          • Doc

            If that ever happens, I promise I’ll join you.

          • esk

            ONE DAY

          • peetypuck

            That’s only about $4 million above next years forecast salary cap floor.

          • Doc

            Sad, isn’t it?

          • peetypuck

            Really.
            I was just thinking of how Muckler wasted the team he inherited.
            Alfie, Spezza, Hossa, Havlat, Fisher, Chara, Redden, Phillips. How could he not get that core of players past the second round? When he was fired, Chara, Hossa and Havlat were gone without even one decent prospect to show for his tenure. I credit Murrays coaching with getting the team to the finals with only one good line.

          • Jonny

            Yep can see it now, FREE HOTDOG NIGHT!

          • Sandy

            They trade Spezza they are further away from a Cup…. and they will not make the playoffs next season.

          • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

            If they trade him like they did bishop sure I agree…. If they trade him like Yashin… And we are better

          • Colin

            Where’s Milbury when you need him?

      • peetypuck

        As they say in hockey, when one player leaves it’s an opportunity for someone else.

  • Dirk-Diggler

    Hey Everyone,

    I was just at Sports Experts in St Laurent and the white heritage jerseys are 50% off! I got a Karlsson one. They had Ryan, Spezza and Karlsson along with blank ones. Not sure if other locations have more player selection. I had my heart set on a Lehner one next but this was too good a deal to pass on!

    • Doc

      Official ones? How much were they?

      • Dirk-Diggler

        they are replicas… no fighters strap… but good quality ones that are made in Canada and the profits go back to the nhl/teams instead of the knockoffs..but, the knockoffs are pretty good bang for your buck… I do like to support the teams though

        • Doc

          Thanks. I was just curious.

          I’ll see if I can drop by to take a look at them.

    • Zelle

      Nice maybe I’ll pick up a Ryan one and a blank one so I can have the whole line..!

    • Hax

      So the rumors will be that they’re discontinuing that sweater I guess?

      I was hoping they’d go with the two heritage as the main sweaters next season with maybe a new red one as the alternate.

      Of course, I’d rather they not change them at all but there’s just too much money to be made off suckers like me that always want to have the exact same one the players are wearing.

      • Doc

        I hope they don’t. They’ve been the best looking jerseys we’ve had since a long time.

      • Dirk-Diggler

        This was at SE. They always put stuff on sale… I think the heritage will become a mainstay

  • MethotToMyMadness

    The playoffs officially start tonight and we still have a full Summer ahead of us before we know what’s going on. and I’m already tired of hearing about the Spezza trades, lol. This is going to be a long Summer!

  • SensChirp
    • Hax

      I’ll play:

      Bruins in 5, Pens in 7, Flyers in 7 (mostly because I’m dying to see Philly/Pitt) and Lightning in 5.
      Avalanche in 6, Kings in 6, Ducks in 4, Hawks in 6.

      • Zelle

        I so want a Flyers-Pens series, but Mason is out and Emery isn’t exactly killing it this season so I went for Rangers.

  • my2sens

    So people are hearing rumours our budget for next season will be 56-57 MIL vs the expected 71 MIL cap… for a 14-15 MIL difference…

    So… if the city of Ottawa (rough population of 1.1 MIL) has a Sens fan base of 300,000 people…

    Then we should start an online save the Sens season campaign. If each of those fans were to donate $50.00 we would have the additional 15 MIL required.

    • Hax

      If you go on Capgeek you have to get a bit crazy to get us all the way to the cap. Crazy stuff like getting rid of Zibanejad and Ceci and replacing them with overpriced veterans.

      Not saying we couldn’t improve the team by spending more than $57M of course, but spending all the way to the cap wouldn’t be smart either. We have some legit bargain players (Turris, Methot, MacArthur). Not to mention that we’ll need to resign guys the following season (or replace them). I think the smart plan would be to leave at least $5M or maybe even closer to $10M behind for future seasons.

    • s3nsfan

      Or they could keep that cap space, and if the Sens are in the playoffs next year, gives them room to sign a player or two at the deadline, or wow heaven forbid maybe, just maybe keep cap space for next year when the Free Agent pool is worth dipping in to. If they spent to the cap, then come next year couldn’t trade at the deadline, or sign a free agent in the summer due to lack of room, everyone would again be up in arms. Yeah spend to the absolute cap and leave yourself no room to do anything else.

      • SensChirp

        Nobody says automatically spend to the cap. You can spend “wisely” and still spend.

        • esk

          the gm and the owner have said that multiple times…if a situation they like comes up then yeah they will spend …they’re not going to spend just for the sake of spending which is what everyone here wants them to do

          • my2sens

            But isn’t the ‘not spending’ the whole reason why we are golfing and not playing hockey?

          • esk

            so if they got david clarkson in the offseason they would of made the playoffs?

          • my2sens

            Perhaps. Different team, different scenario.

          • esk

            thats a big maybe. you guys would be complaining about how much of a waste he is for 6million

          • my2sens

            Not necessarily. Most are complaining about Spezza 5MIL 66 points…

          • SensChirp

            I can handle bad contracts because you swung and missed. But at least you got the bat off your shoulder. There was a window this season that opened and closed because budget wasn’t there.

            Worried it will happen again. And if you’re not worried, you aren’t paying close enough attention.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Such a ridiculous comment.

          • SensChirp

            He can say that all he wants, but until it happens, why on earth would you believe it? They said it before the deadline and then ended up giving away a guy, loaning another guy, and getting a team to take on half of a salary to make it happen.

          • Doc

            Bingo.

            The fact that he mentioned that they got Hemsky so it showed that they are willing to spend is laughable and condescending to the fan base.

          • s3nsfan

            so you’re going to bring in a 6 million dollar contract to a team that isn’t even close to a play off spot.

            They were out of a spot and STILL spent money bringing in a player.

          • FistsofNeil25

            What money did they spend? They got rid of Conacher and Corvo’s salaries an had Edmonton retain half of Hemsky’s salary.

            Yayyy! They spent a couple extra hundred thousand! Wahoo!

          • Doc

            They didn’t, that’s the thing. Hemsky cost us less than if they retained both Conacher and Corvo.

            Just shows you that people just hear what they want to hear.

          • Senatollah

            So you wanted to carry 8 defencemen so it would have been even harder for PW46 to crack the roster. I hear what your saying, but not sure why you want 8 dman, having all except King K worried that one error and they sit. I hated knowing the D were playing scared most nights and its sure showed in the standings.

          • Doc

            You’re missing the point.

            MELNYK is the one that said: Look, we spent. We acquired Hemsky at the deadline. No need to worry.

            Which is just pure BS because he cost us picks and a very large portion of this remaining salary, which was peanuts.

            Thinking that proves he is willing to spend is laughable and patronizing to the fans.

          • SensChirp

            He also says time and time again that the “idiots” are the ones that spend to the cap and he tried it and it doesnt work.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Exactly. He’s never stated that we’re a developing team. He’s never said that he will spend when the time is right.

            All he’s said is that only idiots increase payroll. That spending to the cap didn’t work for him. That he expects to make the playoffs EVERY season despite his budget. That we’re going “ALL IN” in the next couple years to win a championship.

            I don’t know what his definition of “all in” means

          • Doc

            Yep, which in my opinion is just condescending to the fans. He really is talking to us like we’re a bunch of idiots.

            The best part? “Idiots” are the one that spend on roster improvements. “Geniuses” on the other hand spend it on forensic investigations…

          • s3nsfan

            But they did, the budget that I read here and multiple other places was around $50M, they are at what 56, that’s going over budget, in my opinion. What other free agents, REALLY, were they going to sign last summer to bring that number up and make more people happy. Maybe, they are smart businessmen, realize that they are going to have free agents this year and next and want to have money to be able to spend on someone / a couple players. Just sayin’

          • SensChirp

            ALFREDSSON

          • my2sens

            That’s just it. It’s not spending to bring IN more players, it’s to KEEP players.

          • FistsofNeil25

            To keep players, give the GM more flexibility to improve the team through trades, and bit extra cash to improve our depth so we don’t have to watch Greening play 15 minutes a night.

            I don’t care if we spend to the cap. I don’t want to overpay for big name free agents.

            What I don’t want is to lose our own good players because we have to low-ball them on contract extensions. What I don’t want is to hear all year long that any trade Murray makes HAS to be money in and money out.

          • peetypuck

            If we want the team to spend near the cap then prices for everything including tickets are going to go up.

          • my2sens

            Not by my system :-)

          • FistsofNeil25

            I’m not asking them to spend to the cap. Next year’s salary cap is supposed to be around 71 mill, and the floor will be around 52 or 53. The rumored Sens budget is around 56-57 which will likely be good for bottom 3 in the league. Our odds of making the playoffs aren’t good at that number.

          • peetypuck

            I agree with you. I’d like to see the team spend a bit more on good players. The problem is that Melnyk has decided that he wants a certain amount of profit for his investment. Probably about 10%. So until he pays himself the budget is kept to a minimum.

          • s3nsfan

            Chirp, love this site, love the insight you bring.

            Not getting into that conversation, did so ad nauseam last summer. Thanks but no thanks lol

          • SensChirp

            Ha. You asked the question

          • s3nsfan

            lol, fair point. That’s all i care to say, anything more will continue that discussion, lol

          • Zakary

            #11 new that he wasn’t coming back when we got destroyed by Pittsburg,it wasn’t the money.Come on man wake up and stop blaming everything on Eugene without knowing half of what goes on.

          • esk

            at the deadline..it was a longshot for us to make the playoffs…not the most ideal scenario to spend money..so they went the cautious route…i believe it cause if they continue this route then yes we will never compete with the elite teams…they’re waiting for the right time to make a big move that will get them over the hump…unfortunately the sens, a small market team doesnt have the luxury to spend like the leafs every single year…very basic stuff to understand

          • FistsofNeil25

            They wouldn’t have had to wait to the deadline to improve the team if there was more financial flexibility to make a deal.

          • SensChirp

            Of course it is. But that’s not what is being sold to us.

            Wouldn’t you say that after last season, that there was a pretty strong case to be made for trying to take a run this year? Money wasn’t there in July and it wasn’t there at any point during the season when help was needed.

          • my2sens

            Yup. Year 3 of rebuild and we finish 5 points out of the playoffs. I would say that we certainly had a strong case to fix something along the way… but the wallet was closed.

          • esk

            okay I understand what you mean…you think this is all a ploy to cover up the financial situation so it wouldnt turn a bad situation even worse? it wouldn’t surprise me…actually makes cause alfie left because they were unwilling to spend money to get help…and then murray said that wasnt true..we would of signed both bobby and alfie..then eugene yesterday said we couldnt have…..hopefully it gets figured out cause they cant continue with this ploy for long

          • Senatollah

            putting on a conspiracy hat, i heard from someone I don’t know well that Anaheim wouldn’t do the Bobby Ryan deal without Silverberg coming back the other way, and that Alfie was a driver for him to be drafted and was not on board with trading him. this disagreement may have been the catalyst for “THE email”. Take it or leave it. I have nothing to back this up but hearsay and that it kinda made sense.

          • Senatollah

            BUT…last year we may not have made playoffs if the lockout ended a week or two earlier…everything else being equal

          • Zelle

            Still mad about putting Conacher on waivers, as if he was ever going to clear…

        • s3nsfan

          yes but people often forget, this is one of the youngest teams in the league, and with that comes young players and cheap contracts and only so many roster spots. Which brings spending down. Capgeek is down at the moment, so i can’t get numbers but we have how many players making > $2million. People want AHL players to take up roster spots which are generally on ELC’s and you can only add so many more players. I’d rather go into this year with that amount of cap space, see what they have and re-evaluate. We can all agree this team under achieved this year.
          But hey, that’s just MHO and there’s a reason I’m no GM.

          • Senatollah

            Not to mention you can only have 50 players on professional contracts. You get wiggle room with AHL agreements for those concluding juniors as tryout out agreements, but really little wiggle room.

      • my2sens

        However, wouldn’t it be nice to have the additional $$ in the event we need it ASAP?

      • SensChirp

        Also, if that’s what is happening, why not tell us that? This bullshit that we spend wisely on development and hockey ops is well, bullshit.

      • SensChirp

        Like what the hell are we building towards? What are we “saving up” for? Originally it was a three year rebuild, no?

        • my2sens

          Exactly. We can’t keep evaluating and seeing where we are at the end of the season…

        • s3nsfan

          a cup. isn’t that the whole point? Are they going to be contenders next season?

          • SensChirp

            Not at 56-57 mil budget no. And not ever at that amount.

          • s3nsfan

            can you get to capgeek?

          • s3nsfan

            We have to see what they do with spezza, maybe sign someone at free agent period in july. Maybe they want to keep that budget to see if the players actually achieve their potential next year.
            This team was flat out embarassing at points this year, if i was the owner, i’d be cautious with my spending (during a 3 year rebuild) and when the team that i am rebuilding was absolutely abysmal at points.

          • SensChirp

            I get that he doesn’t want to spend his money on improving the team. I get that.

            But tell it like it is, Eugene. The priority is not winning a Stanley Cup. It’s survival and profit. Nothing more.

        • Miguel

          I hear you Chirp,
          hey one playoff win since 2006 sounds like a long rebuild to me!
          and now we need another 3 years?

        • Jakester

          He’s getting 45 million in TV revenue meaning he only has to spend 26 million compared to previous years to get to the Cap! Even of we only spend 65 million in salaries next year (cuz the team will be young), Melnyk will be making money! Makes no sense to me , to be still talking budget, it’s all a big smoke screen!

    • my2sens

      So two valid points below – then why is everyone bitching about being a budget team!? Now I am confused.

      • Jonny

        Cuz I aint no owner and if I have to spend even more moeny to help these fools I’m gonna want to have a piece of ownership!! LOL

        Which they will never give me :(

        ps- 300,000 sounds a bit high. Proably closer to 100k.

        • Zelle

          I have to say it would be pretty sweet if fans could buy shares of an NHL organization. Then we could really say “my” team!

      • Hax

        Well to me it’s more the feeling that if Murray feels he can improve our team with a move that will cost more money he might not have that option. Like I said, I don’t think we should spend to the cap right away but I’d like to think that we can spend as we need to. i.e. if Hemsky and Michalek are both ready to accept contracts but Melnyk says to Murray “that’s too much” – THAT is where I get pissed.

        Essentially: If Murray thinks it’s “wise” to spend I want it to be his decision. But it seems clear that either in advance or case-by-case Melnyk is limiting the moves Murray can make.

        Though Murray signed another deal to stay so maybe he thinks it’s possible to win within the restrictions Melnyk laid out (we still don’t KNOW what those are exactly). It’s clearly not a hard cap exactly. But I don’t hold much hope that Melnyk has said “run cheap for a couple of years then we’ll spend and make a run”.

    • Zelle

      I give money to the organization by buying tickets to games when my budget allows. You have to have money to make money in this economy. If he penny pinches and alienates the fan base then people aren’t going to go to games. If he is smart with his money but is willing to spend to put a good product on the ice the fans will show up. I don’t see why we should have to donate.

      • Senatollah

        Is it just the good product on the ice or the whole arena experience? For little money they could fix the game day experience

        • Zelle

          Good point! Really it should be the whole ‘being a Senators fan’ experience. Make it fun, exciting, something to be proud about. I love being a Sens fan but it can be frustrating being between two huge fan bases.

        • Loyd

          Yeah I brought my 6 year old to the game against the Devils last week…..got there early and ate at the dodge club downstairs then went up to the arena to look around and entertain ourselves for 45mins before game time. Literally nothing to do as far as entertainment, and this was on “fan appreciation night”. I don’t think it’d be that costly to throw in some game stations for the kids, some interactive things to do and some hockey shooting skill testing areas etc.

    • Loyd

      lol Now the fans are gonna start ‘donating’ to pay for players salaries while Melnyk cashes his large TV deal cheques and invests elsewhere. Sign me up!
      Now if you were suggesting he put up a percentage of the Sens as stocks, i’d definitely buy a few shares lol

  • Miguel

    OH BOY is this going to be one long freakin summer as Sens fans!
    I gotta say being a fan of the Sens is really tough these days. Shitty year, not much really to look forward to next year, as I am not sure how things will get better.
    This makes me wonder why it is that the CTC seems to always be filled with “fans” from opposiging teams.
    I have 2 kids one 15 and one is 12, both like the Sens, but also like the Bruins and the Pens. Reason is really quite simple, those teams have success, whereas my kids cannot remember 2006 when the Sens made the finals. No they aren’t fickle, but if they like hockey, and they do, then when the games really matter in the SCF’s our Sens are not there.
    Sorry but not a fickle fan base, just one that loves hockey especially in the spring time, where the Sens have not had success lately!

  • esk
    • esk

      “A short-term cost saving doesn’t always pay off over the long term. While saving money due to a contract impasse with Alfredsson, the Senators paid dearly within a year, and the impact lingers”

    • Hax

      Decent article and all, but I’m not sure I agree with characterizing it as “a mistake”. In the very short term (this past season) maybe yeah but at some point we had to move on without Alfie. Would it have been better in the long run for him to play one more year and retire a Senator? Maybe, maybe not. What if he doesn’t retire and wants to play another year? How long do we keep the band-aid on before moving to a new captain?

      I love Alfie (still) and generally blame ownership for how rocky the split was, but I’m still not sure the actual split was bad for us in the long run. Time may tell I guess but I think there’s more to it than just saying it was a mistake to let Alfie walk without acknowledging the other aspects.

  • Sandy

    Saw your twitter comment about the Elmira Jackets are now affiliated with the Sabres..
    Is Tim Murray looking to take from Ottawa? Is this just the start? What is left he is going to try to take?
    What happens to those Sens prospects on that team that can’t play in Binghamton? Does that mean Sens players would be ‘on loan’ to Elmira — or do they look elsewhere to put those players…
    Has he taken the scouts already?
    With a small scouting staff.. losing any of them would put the scouting staff to basically bare bones.
    Is Tim Murray trying to ruin the Sens organization bit by bit?

    • Hax

      My 2 cents: Their season is over (I think) but the players rights stay with Ottawa. Some NHL teams (again, I think) don’t even have an affiliation with a specific ECHL team (or other team below the AHL).

      So this might have a bit to do with Tim knowing the people running Elmira etc but given the geographical proximity I think it’s more coincidental than any sort of conspiracy.

      And there’s literally zero impact in terms of players that Ottawa has drafted or have on our 50-man roster.

      • Sandy

        Other than those Sens players need a place to play…

        • Hax

          Right which I’m sure is not a problem. We’ll either pick up an affiliation with another ECHL team or we’ll run without one and have our guys play elsewhere.

          • whammer44

            and really you are only talking about a few fringe prospects usually. Don’t see the need to carry a team there.

          • Hax

            Well, Pageau did play in Elmira but yes – valid point.

  • spezzerman

    where are the reports of 56-57M budget coming from? Couldnt find it anywhere?

    • Hax

      The closest to a “report” is the general assumption that we were “at” budget this year and spent just over $50M. Eugene did say at one point this season that we were over budget in fact. Couple that with some statements from Melnyk and Murray alluding to about a 10% increase next year and you get $57M at the high end.

      Of course, nobody with authority has confirmed what the budget is or if it even is limited to player salaries or applies to all of hockey ops etc. It’s likely that it’s not as simple as one single number for player salaries.

  • Zelle

    Reading the forum posts about the TB-MTL series is getting me all annoyed with the Habs fans again, they are so cocky. Basically repeat of last year when they were laughing off the Sens. I so hope TB crushes them. Or Boston, since they hate losing to Boston so much.

    Sens better pull it together next season and go back to beating Montreal. Or you know, learning to play with a lead. Makes me so sad to think of all the points lost to blown leads in the third period. I think those alone would have put the team in the playoffs.

    • Sandy

      The Sens had a bad year.. yet missed by 5 pts for the playoffs. So how far off are they really?
      If Bishop was playing in this series.. I think Tampa takes Montreal. What they have to do is to keep pounding the little Habs.. and hope Price falters…

      • Zelle

        Yeah and I know three games where they went into the third with 2+ goal leads and lost in regulation: Leafs, Stars, Canadiens :(

        • BeJamin

          The Sens couldn’t hold a lead all year. Blowing 3rd periods leads, not knowing how to play with a lead, that was one of the biggest flaws for the team all season. Alfie would have helped a lot there. Part of it is that the team always seemed to have a wide-open gas pedal mentality even with 1 and 2 goal leads. Realistically, if they had settled into a counter-attack even-keel just get 48-49% of the zone time with a lead type of hockey they would have done much better. The wide open nonsense is what cost them there. It leads to more goals for, but also more against. If you can’t shut other teams down when you have a lead, then you aren’t doing it right. There is a reason some of the best teams in the league go 30-0-2 and similar numbers when leading after 2. Ottawa was something ridiculously bad when leading after 2 in terms of points percentage. Bottom 5 in the league.

      • BeJamin

        Realistically, if the goaltenders were better from the start. We make the playoffs. If the right defenders were in the lineup, we make the playoffs. If GSN didn’t play 15+ mins per night, we make the playoffs. If Hoffman, Pageau, Zibanejad & Stone play the full season in the lineup – we’re in the playoffs. The only reason Ottawa isn’t in the dance is because they shot themselves in the foot, repeatedly, all year long. Just a horribly mismanaged team. That’s all there is too it. Budget bullshit & obsessive loyalty to the character of players rather than their performance on the ice screwed this team over. Hopefully they learn from it and don’t repeat the same mistakes next year.

        At least with Murray’s closing statements for the season he alluded to not blocking the obviously superior youth talent going forward. Hopefully that happens. I don’t mind him saying he wants to let the young D play and grow that’s fine with me. What’s not fine is if we lose out on development time so we can watch Chris Phillips handle the puck like a grenade and point at guys whilst covering nobody. That would piss me off.

        • Sandy

          Another reason is not having a capable winger for Spezza… like Hemsky…
          Could have had 2 lines that could score, but went through the season with basically one..

    • runningbear1974

      That’s something about last year’s team… I was so proud of the sens last year that i didn’t hate any other team.. .I didn’t hate the leafs… I was thinking “you do your thing, and we’ll do ours”… But, this year, now that we’re pathetic again, i find myself hating other teams… I hate the leafs again… I want last year’s team back…

  • sprucesens

    just to go with the budget crap below. Aside from actually paying Alfie this year, there was basically no other UFA’s that we could have made room for. And certainly not any that would have completely changed our season. We MIGHT have been able to squeak into the playoffs again, but who knows how we would have faired. While i agree that spending near the cap is needed to win a cup, it wouldn’t have happened this year regardless. But to get to the point where we are able to spend near to the cap without handing out crazy contracts, will take a few years of aquireing guys like ryan, while our top prospects keep growing and getting raises. While i certainly feel melnyk is lieing through his teeth and handicapping murray, we might have been just as crappy by spending to the cap. THEN we would be really angry. I trust murray to sell enough good players as they come along, to slwoly increase our budget.

    • Millennium

      The biggest example of how the budget plays itself out is that they said that if Alfie had stayed, we wouldn’t have traded for Ryan, because we couldn’t afford both.

      Everyone understands spending wisely is important. Nobody is suggesting otherwise. Melnyk is basically saying :spending doesn’t matter with regards to winning, and never will. And he’s dead wrong. When the time comes, we need to be able to spend, and every single thing they have said is that we won’t be doing that. They don’t even try to throw out the thin cover BS anymore. They don’t deny it anymore. They just insist money doesn’t matter. So either they are stupid, or they think we are stupid.

      • Aaron 2.0

        You’re so right about spending equating to winning. Yost has presented data to show this a few times before. In fact, if I could get my hands on that data, I could do a discriminant function analysis and put an exact percentage on how important it is (versus other factors). Could be fun. Maybe I should go bother him for the data!

    • whammer44

      The sens did pitch for Clarkson and were apparently in the running…he was considered the prize of the pool last summer. Of course we ended up with MacArthur.

      If we had signed Clarkson that would have completely changed our season from bad to ugh!

      • runningbear1974

        But, we would be spending more, and the fan base would be happier… Sarcasm… It’s not the money, it’s the quality of player…

        • Sandy

          Alfie was a quality player..

          • runningbear1974

            Alfie is a quality player… No one in the organization wanted to see him leave… We would have paid him the money… It wasn’t the money… It was something else entirely… I personally thought paying Alfie 7 million a year was too much, that was my thoughts when i heard what he was asking for… Maybe we should have paid him… I don’t know… It’s a tough one… He chose to play for less with someone else then what he was asking for us… Complicated situation… Anyway, too much of simplification to say Alfie was a budget decision, i don’t agree on that…

  • Jakester

    Chirp mentioned earlier in this thread that the white elephant in all this is that Spezza would most certainly wave his no trade clause to go to Toronto. Funny that a guy who played his whole career for a franchise would wave to go play for that franchise’s most hated foe! Does he not have a hate on for their players? I can’t fathom that, but it tells me a lot about JS19. If Toronto wants him, no problem, hope Murray can make them pay for their native Son. I will love the day when Turris’ line has ole Spezza hemmed in all game and greases him with a minus three on the night! Time to move forward, looking forward to seeing more of our young guys play!

    • esk

      if the reason he wants out is cause of the pressure and constant criticizing then Toronto doesn’t make sense as a destination for him

    • BeJamin

      He lives there and his family is there… why would that be so wrong for him to be happy to be near family? Not to mention the chance to feed Phil Kessel every night and get back to 100 points. All with a big net driving beast like JVR riding shotgun. That would easily be one of the best lines in the league, offensively anyways.

      • Sandy

        His wife’s family is from Ottawa… not sure that matters.. It’s an hour away by plane..

    • BeJamin

      Also, 1st + Morgan Reilly would be the cost. Maybe even more than that given the rivalry. The leafs would “win now” and almost certainly make the playoffs. Ottawa maybe wins long-term. Leafs have unlimited money meaning enough funds to address the defense from other places. It would also allow them to trade Kadri or another forward for a good defender.

    • Miguel

      oh man would that drive all the Spezza haters insane, he would light it up against us on a regular basis! Careful waht you wish for

  • LeafsSux

    “The sky is falling” The sky is falling” Geesh people step away from the keyboard.. lol This team will make improvements this summer and we will be back playing post season hockey.. ;)

    • SensChirp

      If not for yesterday’s Melnyk media tour I woulda been right where you are.

      • LeafsSux

        Im just trying to rationalize the whole thing..

        1. New 12 yr TV deal for big $$$$$$$$$$$$
        2. Maybe he will see the loss in revenue not making the playoffs.
        3. Hoping he backs away from the bottle long enough to see 1 & 2 lol
        4. Wishful thinking on my part but we have no control over this mess so we have to just deal with it. Im 3 hrs from the Ottawa market and most likely the only Sens fan in a 100 mile radius so I just sit back and listen..

        • Sandy

          Cyril Leeder said.. this season the team is better financially than it was last season and that includes the playoffs from last season…
          The issue with Melnyk is… IMO.. his main revenue stream is the Sens and he wants to keep the money not spend it.
          Don’t tell me between the team, the parking, the building and concessions.. this man is losing 10M a season. If they were that poor he would be getting revenue sharing… and apparently the Sens are not getting that…
          And to take into the fact that Forbes from a report Nov 2013.. the operating income for the Sens was 6.8M… That would have been from (I would assume) the end of the 2012/13 season..

      • Zakary

        Why? What was so bad with what Melnyk said? Could you be over reacting just bit?

        • not YOUR wingman

          Do your own research – SC was under reacting if anything.

        • SensChirp

          In three separate interviews he implied that those that spend to the Cap are making a mistake and that this organization prefers to spend their money on hockey ops and player development. He indicated that he has spent to the cap before, it did not work and he won’t be doing it again. Then today, Garrioch wrote that the budget for next season will again be set at 56-57 mil.

          If all that doesn’t infuriate you to no end, you just aren’t paying close enough attention. Not that there is anything wrong with that. But no, I don’t think I am overreacting.

          • runningbear1974

            I feel reassured after yesterday’s set of interviews… I believe Melnyk has identified what really matters (player development)… And, i agree about spending to the cap is stupid, especially as a small market team…
            What we need to do is develop well rounded players, and choose players based on their character… That’s a winning strategy… Spending money on skill is a bad idea… Let’s just say, there are several richer teams who intend to use that strategy…

          • SensChirp

            The thing that really scares is that there is actually a significant portion of fans that believe the sort of non-sense you just wrote. Means Melnyk’s BS is actually registering with people.

          • runningbear1974

            Melnyk is a weird guy… I get it… But i agree with his formula… It’s just stupid to spend to the cap for no reason… We don’t have the team for it…
            You are spreading propaganda… You don’t like Melnyk… You would like him to spend more… Therefore if someone has different opinion on that then they are non-sensical… So be it…

          • SensChirp

            At no point have I said that we should spend to the cap for no reason. Nobody wants that. What I want him to do is trust his hockey ops people and provide them the resources they feel are required to build a contending team.
            When he openly mocks teams that spend to the cap and says he’s done it before and won’t do it again, that tells me this is the way it is and is going to stay.
            Really hope I’m wrong.

          • runningbear1974

            He did say he would spend if it made sense… And so far, he has… It didn’t make sense to spend this year… It’s silly to expect to spend this year… This has been the only budget year, and everyone freaks out…Our expectations are unrealistic… Murray has supported Melnyk… Murray believes that Melnyk would spend if required…

          • SensChirp

            It was year three of the rebuild. Why was that the time a budget made sense, after winning a playoff round? Budget was there last year too, by the way.

          • runningbear1974

            There was no obvious money we could spend to make the team better… It’s a choice to spend on rich skilled guys, or to make room to develop players… We tried a little of both, we got Bobby Fucking Ryan, and we left room on team for young guys to develop…
            We should have had a good enough team this year… Money wasn’t the problem… Our leadership group is (in my opinion)…

          • Miguel

            to be fair you do bring up some valid points.
            If he really was the miser we all make him out to be, he would have tried to sell us bring up the kids, without a Ryan. Couldn’t he have?

          • FistsofNeil25

            Man, did you even listen to Melnyk’s interviews yesterday? Or for the last year for that matter?

            Where were you when Melnyk signed Murray to his new contract extension a couple years back, and stated that him and Murray are “all in” two win a cup NOW?

            When has he said that we’re a budget team because we’re still rebuilding? When has he said that he’ll spend when the time is right?

          • runningbear1974

            Yes i did… Only the morning one… I feel you guys are over-reacting… It seems there’s a correlation with people who love Spezza and hate Melnyk… Is there anyone out there that doesn’t want Spezza on the team, and who also doesn’t like Melnyk…
            By the way, I don’t like Melnyk, i think he’s a weird douche type, but, i agree with his recipe… Sort of the opposite for Spezza for me… I like Spezza, but don’t believe he has winning formula…

          • FistsofNeil25

            LOL there’s no correlation between people who love Spezza and people that hate Melnyk. If it were up to me they would both be gone.

          • runningbear1974

            I know he’s crazy… But, he’s sane enough to believe in Murray… And, Murray seems to believe in him… And, i believe in Murray… So, good enough for me…

          • SensChirp

            I’ll give you a little bit of inside information here- Murray does not “believe” in him. He tolerates him. And is employed by him.

          • runningbear1974

            Ok, I agree with you… Melnyk is crazy… Murray is sane… But, i do believe that Murray does believe that Melnyk would spend money if Murray thought it was a good idea…

          • Miguel

            well rounded players…. spending money stupidly
            Cowen, Greening, Phillips – this is your idea of spending wisely?
            Alfie Spezza Hemsky and keeping MM9 with them would be my idea of spending wisely!

    • Miguel

      One playoff win since 06, is not a team with a history of sucess.
      And after the shit show this year, I hate to speak sans coloured glasses, but we took a dramatic step backwards this year, and losing Spezza in a cant win deal, and an owner who expects profits from this franchise, will only make this team worse next year.

  • FistsofNeil25

    Anyone else jumping on the Tampa Bay and Columbus bandwagons in this first round?

    • LeafsSux

      Nope.. Im hoping the Ducks win the whole thing to put more salt on the wound! Im a glutton for punishment I guess..

      • FistsofNeil25

        I meant just for the first round against Montreal and Pittsburgh, two of Ottawa’s biggest rivals and other than the Leafs, my two least favorite teams.

        If you were really a glutton for punishment you’d back Detroit and Alfie all the way to a championship lol

        • LeafsSux

          Oh.. I picked TB to beat the Habs in the pool but have Pitt going to CF…

          • BeJamin

            Bad call.

          • LeafsSux

            I thought Big Ben was in…

    • Aaron 2.0

      I picked against both in R1. Lol. Love Columbus though. They have a good team over there, and will probably only get better.

      • FistsofNeil25

        I picked against both as well but because of my hatred for MTL and PITT i hope my picks are wrong lol

        • Aaron 2.0

          Haha. That’s always my problem in pools. I let my heart make too many decisions. Although, with Ottawa out, it’s not a problem now. So, now I have no excuse!

          If we’re going to be a cap team for the foreseeable future, I actually think Columbus is not a bad team to keep an eye on. I wouldn’t say emulate, because that team is pretty early in a re-build too. But, I really like what they have over there.

          • Aaron 2.0

            Scratch that. I was surprised to see that CBJ actually have a cap hit considerably higher than I thought (close to the top of the league). Still like what they have over there though. And, they started that turn-around by trading Nash.

          • runningbear1974

            What? They traded their best player, and now they’re a better team… Impossible…
            (Actually, this has been proven in tons of different scenarios)

          • bluebuyyoo

            Same shit. Different day. Same shit. Different day. Same shit. Different day. Same shit. Different day. Same shit. Different day. Same shit. Different day. Same shit. Different day.

            Oops. Sorry. Got stuck in a rut there…

          • Sandy

            They are SPENDING. It’s different when you trade your best player and still penny pinch expecting to make the playoffs. The fans then get mad at the players, coach or GM.. When they should be mad at the Owner.
            At some point the fans.. especially STH should question why they are spending money on the team when the Owner isn’t..

  • Sandy

    6 yrs since Carey Price has backstopped the Habs to a playoff win… And they for the most part been higher in the regular season standings than the Sens..

  • Zakary

    Can’t blame the budget for this team underachieving its on the players and coaching staff. Spending wisely means waiting for the right moment to spend and that moment hasn’t came yet, if you spend prematurely you look like the leafs.

    • runningbear1974

      It doesn’t make sense to be complaining about the budget at this point with this team… Just ridiculous… There’s no point we can just add 10 million dollars worth of players, and still have room to develop… I can’t believe how irrational people are being…
      Yeah, we should be a budget team…

      • Sandy

        No budget.. would have kept Alfie.. and got a decent top 4 D at the start of the season and the Sens would be in the playoffs

        • runningbear1974

          Alfie left because his pride is more than his loyalty to his fans… In the end, he didn’t have the loyalty he seemed to have…

          • Miguel

            Have to say that I agree with Chirp, however your arguments are bang on as well.

    • SensChirp

      First part of this is definitely true. Melnyk not spending does not explain a team that underperforms like Ottawa did.
      But a team run by an Owner that dismisses the idea that spending towards the top end of the cap improves chances of success is a problem.

    • Aaron 2.0

      I do agree with you that our failures this year are not the fault of the internal budget. But, at the same time only 2 teams have a lower cap hit than us in the entire league (NYI and CGY). I’m not expecting us to spend to the cap. And, I wouldn’t advocate throwing money around like TOR or NYR. And, it’s even important that this team is profitable to guarentee long-term success. But, our current budget over the long-term will spell disaster. I hope it’s about the right moment. But, somehow, I think that moment has more to do about our owner’s financials than the team’s financials. Total speculation on my part, of course.

      • SensChirp

        It would help if he said it was about waiting for the right moment rather than dismissing the idea that spending more means having a better team and suggesting those that do so are “idiots”.

        • Aaron 2.0

          Lol. For sure. He’s got you worked up. Can’t blame you. It’s just better when he doesn’t talk, to anyone, ever.

          • Zelle

            I think this is key. His PR people need to get him to stop talking to the media. He makes things worse every time.

    • FistsofNeil25

      Which part of Melnyk’s comments lead you to believe that he will spend when the moment is right? Was it the “any idiot can increase payroll” or the “I’ve spent to the cap before and it doesn’t work”?

    • Sandy

      With about 45M in new TV revenue coming in. and Leeder’s comments that this team is in a better financial situation than last season.. there is no reason for him not to add to the payroll.. Could Spezza’s departure be based on how much he wants?
      If you want a competitive team.. it’s about paying and keeping your key personnel when the raises warrant… Not letting your long-term captain walk out the door with no return at all..

    • not YOUR wingman

      replacing Gonchar with someone similar (Corvo – yeesh) or keeping DA11
      would have gotten the team into the Playoffs

      but not “the right moment” you say

      • SensChirp

        And add in Ryan and MacArthur and suddenly you have a team that could have been right there in the East, I think.

        • Sandy

          That’s just it Chirp… Keep Alfie and get Ryan & McArthur gets you 2 solid lines throughout the season. But with Melnyk… it’s either or.. Alfie, McArhur and Ryan would not have even put the Sens near the top of the Cap.. but he wouldn’t do it.. That’s what’s so frustrating… I’m beginning to really dislike him with a passion.
          That’s what Alfie meant when he said Detroit will go all out to win the Cup. That was directed right to Melnyk…
          It’s different being a budget team.. but if you want to win the Cup.. you have to be able to spend. Melnyk isn’t able to spend…

        • Zakary

          Too bad Alfie chose to leave lol

          • FistsofNeil25

            haha and ya he chose to leave because the owner isn’t willing to do what’s necessary to compete for a cup. And a little drunken email to Alfie and his wife. Thank god for Melnyk. We’re so lucky…

        • spezzerman

          Alfie wasnt even responsible for getting the Wings into the playoffs, the young guys were. Alfie would not have improved the defense and goaltending.

          • Kohlmanator

            Alfie can dictate the pace of the game, he most definitely would have improved the defence and goaltending. (Statistically of course)

          • bishbosh

            He may not have improved the goaltending but he would have improved team defence.
            I was not as cut up about Alfie leaving as most people on this board were, but you can’t just ignore what he would have brought to the team.
            Both Murray and MacLean said they underestimated the effect losing Alfredsson had on the team, I’ll go with their thoughts on it.

          • Zelle

            What would have happened to those young guys without Zetterberg and/or Datsyuk in the locker room though? Plus Wings have a culture already in place. Sens don’t have that.

      • Zakary

        Yeah because we were so good with those two guys agains Pittsburg in the playoff last year.

      • runningbear1974

        Gonchar wanted 2 year contract… We had young good guys coming up… It was a strategic decision that backfired… Not because of salary, but because we didn’t have the leadership to support the defensive growth…

        • Loyd

          Yeah no way they’d want to give an older guy a 2 year contract with all the youth coming up on D…..wait, what? They gave Phillips what?!?! FML

      • spezzerman

        no, it wouldnt have.

      • John Q. Spartan

        Gonchar was not a good player for the Senators. Daniel Alfredsson was offered a fair contract, he chose to leave.

        • bluebuyyoo

          Gonchar played very well and anchored the defense after EK was injured. He wanted $5M for at least two more years. I would guess it was the asking term that ended his time with Ottawa.

          • John Q. Spartan

            Gonchar was a defensively liability, which would have fit in very well this season actually. He scored 15 of his 27 points in a 10 game stretch (1G, 14A) between March 3rd and March 23rd. The record was 5-5 in those games, Gonchar was a +2. Those 10 games were the best Gonchar ever played for the Senators.

          • bluebuyyoo

            I disagree. If not for the play of Gonchar last season, the Senators would not have made the playoffs.

          • Brutus5247

            Pure speculation.

          • bluebuyyoo

            Of course! My opinion. But it’s true! ;-)

    • John Q. Spartan

      So right.

  • LeafsSux

    I may be reaching here but I think at times early in the season there were a few players on this team had a vendetta towards a certain individual over the Alffy ordeal and it spread. They just flat out said fuck it if he doesnt give a shit why should we.. I know they are Pro’s but hell you never know..

  • Sandy

    Chirp… love your tweet about 16 teams run by idiots start the playoffs tonight. If I was on twitter… I post that to the Sens twitter.. or even Melnyk’s twitter.

    • SensChirp

      Anybody that has followed me on here and on Twitter know that I am as positive as they come. Yesterday really disappointed me though. Especially after the excitement of those huge TV deals. This city and fan base deserve better.

      • LeafsSux

        Amen to that!!

      • Miguel

        precisely how I feel as well Chirp!
        Really boggles the mind how it is in this city, that loves their hockey and their sports, continues to attact owners that expect their franchise to drive their Millions in earnings. Franchises are for successful businessmen to hide their earinings, not to drive their earnings
        Not the way pro sports works in Business.
        If the Euge’s finanacial structure has changes… which it has, then he should walk away, with his 200 MIl in gains from when he bought the team, and go back into Pharamacutical industry!

      • spezzerman

        Melnyk crossed a line Tuesday. Does he really think we are stupid enough that adding Hemsky at the cheapest possible time indicates a willingness to spend?

        • SensChirp

          I’m honestly surprised there isn’t more outrage in the fan base.

          • Miguel

            Chirp, you certainly raise some very great points, and has me concerned going forward
            However in his defence he has tried to bring in some top UFA’s at top dollar, only to have it blow up in his face, with Kovalev and Gonchar.
            He has said that if at the right time, we need to spend he will, do we believe he will?
            The real test will be when, and if, we are back in the playoffs, and are a real threat, would he bring in players and spend the $$$ to help us get to and win the SCF.
            This year however, I was on the sell sell sell at the deadline, not spend.

          • spezzerman

            I’m just holding out hope that Melnyk is referring to spending wisely as in, not throwing money at the top UFA. I’m of the opinion our rosters have improved year over year during this “rebuild,” despite the result this season. I hope that continues this summer. We shall see.

          • SensChirp

            Thought that too but yesterday Garrioch, who has the ear of Ownership, confirmed that the budget will remain at 56-57 mil.

          • Doc

            Alcohol helps a lot.

          • Brutus5247

            But remember that there may be 10′s of millions of losses carried over from past years. These just don’t dissappear. It may take a few years to clear this up. The losses are generally paid previously and are carried over as kind of a loan. This loan needs to get paid as well.

  • Sandy

    Yeah… Tampa/.. 1-0

  • Sandy

    F’in Habs… tied the game..

  • Sandy

    My fear will be in 5 yrs or so.
    You have Turris, MacArthur, Ryan,, et al. Your young players are developing and the team could be on the cusp of going on a long run.
    Then some of the young guys that are key in your lineup.. come up for contract renewal.
    Murray is at the top of the budget… So what happens? You have to trade out key players to sign these guys.. or will Melnyk then spend to keep those players?

    • runningbear1974

      That’s irrational… There are always tough choices to make… We have yet to establish ourselves as the Expos of the NHL… There’s is zero reason to start believing it right now… It’s all the media propaganda… Yeah, there will be a point like Chicago, where you have to sell the old expensive guys for upcoming skill… Every team has to do that… Whether because of the budget, or because of the salary cap… Why are you worrying about that at this moment given where are team is at?

      • Sandy

        Because of the budget,.. and the continued budget,,,
        When it comes to the scenario I pointed out then we will know for sure..

        • runningbear1974

          Budget is common sense… Hopefully the budget continues to grow to get closer to the cap… It’s a reasonable approach…
          There is no value in worrying about something that might happen 5 years from now… Especially most of this is media propaganda… If you listen to Melnyk and Murray they both say they will spend when needed… So, put your trust in what they say, or put your trust in the media (who are paid to over-dramatize things), that’s your choice…

          • Cicero

            Trust an owner that’s been barred from sitting on the boards of public companies because of statements that mislead the public.

            Okay.

          • runningbear1974

            It’s just ridiculous to expect to spend money today… The Sens are a shit team until all our young defense become dependable… Until Cowen becomes a dependable player, this is not a cup contender… We also need our prospects to grow, we spent a bunch to get Ryan… It doesn’t make sense for media to be complaining about budget this year, or last year… It just doesn’t make sense… Media and fans are complaining about what might happen 5 years from now… That’s irrational… The fact that we have a reduced budget right now completely makes sense… We’ve been spending to the cap for a while, and now going with a more reasonable build from within.. So, 1) doesn’t make sense to complain about budget team right now, 2) no value about complaining about what might happen 5 years from now…

            Sure Melnyk is not honest, but media is paid to make a big deal out of nothing…

          • spezzerman

            The problem is in the messaging. This fan base needs to know that the Sens are willing to invest in a winner and right now the team is not sending that message. I agree that spending to the cap now makes little to no sense, but I’d like a bit more assurance that the time for that will come. I still believe this summer will be critical in reinforcing that belief.

            Melynk is too emotional and too irrational to deliver a consistent message, so actions will speak louder than words this summer and next.

    • Deadly

      You don’t have enough worries in the immediate future to eliminate the worries down the road.You sound like the owners who responsibility it is to worry about the future.
      Teams evolve and the player pool is replenished yearly through the draft ,free agents and university signings. How those choices develop and are used ( traded or playing) is a big part of the way our team ,really every team is developed.

  • Sandy

    Anybody know of a free stream tonight for the Pitts/Colu game. CBC’s stream stopped working.

  • s3nsfan

    All I have to say, is, most years, this year being an exception, this team is competitive. I see alot of people complaining how someone who owns the team should be spending their money. Pretty easy when it’s not their money. I’ll trust the powers that be to put a team on the ice, I don’t see anyone else ponying up to keep this team in Ottawa like Eugene has, and saved the team from moving.
    I doubt anyone on here is willing to buy the team and adhere to fan spending wishes.

    Criticize the guy and want someone to take the team from a guy who will keep the team here and pays for the team

    • SensChirp

      I get that he doesn’t want to put more money into the team. Just wish he would be honest and say that’s what is happening. That is priority is now profit rather than a Cup.

      • s3nsfan

        All I’m trying to say, and someone asked this yesterday what are they evaluating, what are they waiting for, maybe they’re waiting until these younger players get a bit more experience under their belt and not losing a spot to a high paid veteran. Again, I’m no GM, I have no insights and a helluva lot less than you do, this is merely my opinion of what might be happening.

        • SensChirp

          The unfortunate thing is that it’s kinda backwards.

          The situation is “We have a budget and here’s why that’s not such a bad thing” rather than “here’s where we want to get to so we have put a budget in place”.

      • Miguel

        Exctly Chirp
        And that priority is wrong in pro sports.
        you need to have the funds, and if you do those two priorities will go hand in hand

  • Max Power

    Another point everyone seemed to miss…

    They finally admitted they wouldn’t have got Ryan if it weren’t for Alfie leaving

    • Homer

      Murray actually contradicted this point last year. During his presser in July, he described his last phone conversation with Alfie, where he tried to address his concern that the team was indeed building for the future by bringing in Ryan (all this at the 11th hour when Daniel had already made up his mind).

      Two different messages on this matter – I tend to believe Murray, since he isn’t the one who was rumored to have sent the an inflammatory e-mail in one of his drunken stupors!

      • Max Power

        If that story was already out there then why would Melnyk tell one that makes the organization look worse if it weren’t true?

        • Andrews theory

          OK I’ll bite.
          cuz he’s a fuckin idiot.

  • karlssens

    I’m with SC and all the other posters who claim this debacle as disappointing. Melynk has lots of cash coming in from TV deals, there is no reason to run a team near the cap floor, especially in Ottawa… It’s bs, and I guarantee if the league forced Melynk to sell they would find another buyer in the blink of an eye. Ottawa will always be a middle of the pack team in terms of attendance and revenue. They should not be bottom three in spending!

  • karlssens

    Melynks comments about how spending doesn’t bring you the cup was so unbelievable that I wanted to yell at the radio. I’m through with him, and if there something I could do personally to make him sell the team I would.

  • karlssens

    We have already lost Alfie, Gonchar, probably Hemmer, and Spezza now because of Melnyks budget. What will it take to make the rest of you realize he is turning us into the joke of the league?

    • runningbear1974

      I like the way this team is going… I never ever believed in the identity of this Ottawa Senators team… We have never legitimately had a top contending team… It’s time to move away from that identity… RIGHT NOW… Get an identity that you can build on that can actually be a cup contending team…
      I’d like to point out Seguin for Boston, a very good player, point a game guy, but didn’t fit in the identity of the Bruins so they got rid of him… The Senators need to do that too… Choose a winning Identity and build around that… We have proven that the old guys on this team is not a a winning identity… It’s time to build smart well-rounded players to become our future GOOD SMART veterans… That’s what we need to do…

      • Brutus5247

        Melnyk seems to like the Old Boys Club.

  • Miguel

    Excellent points, and healthy debate on here today.
    let me see if I got this right
    We are a budget team… ok nothing wrong with that, except for at the right time, we better have the money to spend on what it takes to pay for that Championship team.
    – we all know that as we improve, salaries will have to improve with that.
    However, if as we/players improve, and we keep losing good players, due to contracts, (ie Hemsky/Spezza )then we will never be an elite team, which is not what we want here in Ottawa.
    On the flip side, this team last year was shit, and this cannot be put on the owner. The players/ coaching/ management sucked, and I dont think simply throwing $$$$ at that could make us any better.
    Here is my dilemma, we are a budget team, that needs to spend wisely.
    So why the fuk do we have over 20 Million tied up in Greening/Cowen/CP4 yet we are letting Hemsky and perhaps Spezza walk away!
    That is what is giving me indigestion!

    • karlssens

      WHY are we a budget team though? The only reason attendance was down this year was because fans are starting to be bothered by the way Melynk is running this team.. And revenues were still up!! It’s bs, when a team like Florida spends more than you, that’s saying something. Not once was our PAID attendance under 15,500.

      • Pasky

        Well attendance was also down due to the fact that there were less free tickets being given away… Again though due to budget

        • CUP 2014-15

          The stupid number of afternoon games didn’t help either

      • Miguel

        Different environments.
        And yes I agree why is it we cannot have those ownere who are making way too much money with their other businesses, so that they need the tax write off from owning a pro franchise? That is the usual reciepe.

  • karlssens

    I mean Jesus, the fact that we lost Alfie because Melnyk wasn’t committed to winning STILL pisses me off. The greatest Senator in our modern history was lost because of our cheap owner.

    Okay I’m done now. Sorry guys.

    • SensChirp

      Not only that, we let it happen. And somehow let the organization spin the narrative to the point where Alfredsson was the bad guy. Unbelievable.

      • Pasky

        Any chance Alfie comes back next year for his final victory lap? Or if ownership would be open to it?

        • Senatollah

          been wondering that too. if the top line does leave (MM/JS/AH) could the return for Spezza be someone that Alfie has input into which could bring him back for that last lap…would have to wait for July 1 to find out

          • Hax

            Trade Spezza+ for the Sedins and that could bring Alfie back.

            Sedin-Sedin-Alfie
            MacA-Turris-BFR
            Hoffman-ZBad-Stone
            Greening-Smith-Neil
            Condra

          • Senatollah

            how sweede would that be.

          • Jonny

            Sedin sisters, not thx man, really?

      • my2sens

        And that is where I ask myself, when DOES management and Euge think we have a chance at the cup? If we are to be a budget team and hold off until that chance… well… when is it?

        I mean there isn’t a formula to say, yep this is it, go for it. So why not every year do what you can to keep your team intact and competitive…

        You never know what can happen during a season. For example. The two games we ‘lost’ to Montreal. Would Montreal be in the playoffs if refs called those two games properly? Would they have endured a slide like the Leafs? Or flip the coin… because Montreal owners aren’t stingy and had the calls go their way, are they going to find a way to compete in the playoffs and make a push?

      • karlssens

        Utterly disgraceful to Aflredsson and what he did here. I sincerely hope the truth comes out at some point when he’s retired.

        It hurts me to see the team I grew up with dying like this. I make next to nothing financially as I’m a student, and I want to spend my money on a team that’s committed to winning, not SURVIVING.

        • runningbear1974

          Our team is better than ever… This is the best team we ever had… We are starting to mix skill with character… We’re building the best team we’ve ever had… I have faith in guys like Turris, Zibanejad, Bobby Ryan… So far, I’ve been embarrassed by our team, finally I’m starting to feel some pride…

          • SensChirp

            I agree our team is on the right track. Some brilliant work by the Murrays, Dorion and Lee has us in a great spot. But this is not the time to go cheap.

          • runningbear1974

            It is the time right now, while we’re paying Turris less than he’s worth… Before Puemple and Lazar join the team and start earning good wages… RIght now, is the only time to be cheap… Every year going forward should be just a little more money than right now…

        • Zelle

          I agree, I only have limited funds as I’m swimming in student debt and I want to pay for a team that’s worth it.

      • John Q. Spartan

        Oh there some spinning going on, that’s for sure. I guess Bryan Murray is a liar then too…

        • SensChirp

          He has been known to stretch the truth from time to time.

          • Brutus5247

            Remember it is a privately owned corporation that runs it and the public has NO access to the books or the inner working. There is a lot of speculation happening.

      • runningbear1974

        I keep spinning narratives about Alfie too… His Pride was bigger than his Loyalty… He punished the fans because he was angry at the owner… He asked 7 million of us but accepted to play for less elsewhere… All lies, lies, lies that I’m spreading…

        • SensChirp

          I don’t disagree with any of this. Although I think he would have accepted less than 7 if he felt money would be spent to improve the team rather than to stay under budget

          • runningbear1974

            I really don’t know what happened…. I don’t care… I was hurt when Alfie left… He hurt me… Now I’m angry and disappointed… If Ottawa didn’t offer him a contract I would have been upset with Murray, but we did, and something I personally felt was fair, therefore, it sucks when a girlfriend breaks up with you when you’re not ready to let go…

          • FistsofNeil25

            Alfie hurt you by leaving? Buddy you’ve said here multiple times that you didn’t even like Alfie just like Spezz

          • runningbear1974

            Yeah you know, thoughts and emotions are complicated things… I like Alfie as a human being… I thought he was a great mascot, and I loved his work ethic… I don’t feel like going through a list of his weaknesses, but I didn’t ever feel he had what it takes to elevate us beyond what we are… There has never been 1 playoff series that we won that we shouldn’t… We have only ever won when we had a better team… Whereas, Buffalo, and Toronto used to regularly beat us in the playoffs with weaker teams…

      • spezzerman

        id say that maybe 5% of sens fans believe Alfie is the enemy. The number is insignificant.

        This organization couldn’t spin a top if they tried.

        • esk

          a lot more sens fan hate alfie…probably around the 40%. Hardcore fans know what happened

          • spezzerman

            that 40% wasnt represented at this return game then.

          • esk

            yeah i know what you mean…i was at the game….alfie actually cost me my fantasy matchup that week lol but that was his first game back…initially he was appreciated but you can clearly hear the boos throughout the arena throughout the game…that should never be happening…a lot of sens fan i talk too thinks its alfie’s fault cause of the way management spinned it

      • esk

        thats what pissed me off the most

    • FAB

      “Melnyk tried to treat Alfredsson like a McDonald’s temporary foreign worker”

  • Hax

    Something still doesn’t add up. I start thinking that Melnyk is an idiot and liar and that Murray is smart but handcuffed – but then why would Murray resign here? Surely he could get a GM position elsewhere if he wasn’t ready to retire. So then I think since Murray’s smart and staying he must think winning is possible at some point or why else would he stay? But then the $57M budget thing comes out (if true) and that doesn’t seem to add up.

    Though, if you don’t look at salaries at all and draft up a possible team for next season, the price tag isn’t that high … yet. But the year after when a bunch of guys need new deals or to be replace you’re looking at closer to $70M if you want to keep the best young players. Will Melnyk let that happen?

    Did Murray sell Melnyk on a plan several years ago that amounts to spending near the floor for several years then spending closer to the cap later? Would Melnyk go for that? Was that the only way Murray saw to ever have a contending team in Ottawa?

    Infuriating.

    • Cicero

      I think he re-signed out of loyalty to Randy and Pierre and the coaching staff. I also think Murray is the only one who can stop Melnyk from single-handedly turning the franchise into an NHL farm team.

      • Senatollah

        Heard similar about why the sens re-signed their agreement with the BSens was to keep Coach Richardson happy as there was rumours of the team potentially moving closer to Ottawa, possibly Cornwall with their similarly sized rink.

    • karlssens

      This has also crossed my mind, but then I just picture it going down like a schoolyard card trade.

      I can see Melnyk talking Murray into it, with Murray being hesitant. Murray got ripped off. The Euge that I’ve listened to has no intention of spending near the cap for a long time.

    • spezzerman

      This is what I keep circling back to as well. Time will tell

    • Brutus5247

      It’s business for Eugeno! He is not running it like the US owners which is a write off for many of them. We can’t expect this. Keeps them in the limelight and is part of a multibillion dollar corporation. We have what we have. We go and support the team or we move on if it causes us to get angry.

      We average $137/ticket where the Leafs are over 300. It’s the reality of a small market team. Ottawa is government which means stable fixed incomes. Toronto is big business and big population and legacy fans from around the country.

      I DO NOT EXPECT Eugeno to spend more than his budget. Why should he? His goal is to keep the team afloat and making the playoffs. He knows that winning the CUP on a budget is unrealistic.
      The question remains will the NORMAL fans return for the entertainment value of the product. We know the FAN-atics will be stressed but I suggest this is a small minority.

      • SensChirp

        Well said. And I think if he sold this angle, there would be a whole lot less outrage. It’s the lies that I don’t have time for. Don’t pretend winning the Cup is the priority. Don’t criticize the approach of others when he must know damn well that’s the only way to win. Don’t treat us like idiots.

      • Cicero

        Winnpeg: $275 avg. and a long waiting list for tickets.

        • karlssens

          Winnipeg is an anomaly. Toronto and Montreal are the only two like that. Winnipeg has a small arena, and the team is new. It will soon join Ottawa, Edm, Cal.

        • CUP 2014-15

          15,015 seats would create a waiting list in any NHL city in this country. We will see how well they do when they move into a 20,000 seat arena. The Jets are also still in the honeymoon stage. Unbelievable that they have an average price double of Ottawa. Good for their marketing department to sell at that number and pull it off.

      • Senatollah

        Bruteman, can you explain this comment: He is not running it like the US owners which is a write off for many of them.
        How exactly can they write it off? that was very true in the 80′s and early 90′s but those tax write-offs dont exist anymore. So can you please expand on your statement. I dont get it

        • Brutus5247

          What about MLSE in Toronto. Do they only own the Leafs?

          • Senatollah

            Is it YOU KNOW or is it YOU THINK?
            to shift money it needs to be related entities/businesses. So i cant take losses from my hockey team and apply to my other company so other company doesnt have to pay shit ton taxes. that was HOW it was done, but not anymore.

            I think we have covered on this site enough that although the Sens lose money each year, the Arena is making a shit ton but its a separate company. If you put both revenues and loses together (which HE owns both) almost certain their is a good return on investment). Many teams do this, can thank multi-sport arenas (Hockey/Basketball and Football/Baseball) for making the CBA and how revenue is counted complicated.

  • Dirk-Diggler

    Melnyk is right when he talks about spending wisely… I mean we could spend to the cap if we wanted by overpaying a bunch of UFA’s that are looking for paydays. Imagine if we signed Clarkson or Weiss?

    But, Melnyk should have said that the core that the Sens have is terrific and that if the right pieces are available that they would get them and the money won’t be a problem. The reason is that maybe spending a few million more on the roster pushes you into a playoff spot which increases revenue that year AND helps sell season tickets!

    I am glad that we don’t have a lot of bad contracts on our books, the bad ones are Greening, Phillips (fuck) and Neil. I can see Neil being traded and potentially Greening.

    WHile I’d love Spezza to retire a Senator it seems the writing is on the wall for him to leave. Now that I think about it, having Spezza locked up for 5-7 years may cause trouble down the road. The team will hopefully gain young and cheap assets and have financial flexibility.

    • Brutus5247

      I’m with Ya! But 4 payoff games grosses about 13 mil with a NET of probably 10% only nets 1.3 mil. Can’t get much for that.

  • Mark

    After taking some time after hearing all of Eugene’s comments, I think this team is doomed to struggle for the foreseeable future. Spezza is leaving, so is Hemsky…..but we have 2 more years of Phillips. Don’t worry though, all the money is going into player development. This city does very well at supporting this franchise and shouldn’t be a budget team if we had a real owner. This guy is a mouthpiece who never shuts up, I can’t stand him and I feel bad that Murray is handcuffed by this dick of an owner.

  • Hax

    FWIW:

    If you play around on capgeek without getting too crazy, it’s not hard to come up with a realistic and fairly strong roster for about $57M FOR NEXT SEASON. Of course things get crazy after that though.

    If they keep Spezza (I know, I know), pay Hemsky $5M and Lehner $2.5M that leaves us just under $57M. So while I tend to agree that Melnyk is a lying nutbar, this roster is technically within budget (maybe give Hemsky a touch less to give Lehner more etc):

    Hemsky-Spezza-Ryan
    MacArthur-Turris-Stone
    Hoffman-Zibanejad-Pageau
    Greening-Smith-Neil

    Condra

    Methot-Karlsson
    Cowen-Ceci
    Wiercioch-Phillips
    Borowiecki

    Anderson
    Lehner

    • spezzerman

      I’d even take Michalek over Hemsky in your lineup and save a million ;)

      • Jonny

        No Michalek.

  • A-Train

    I’m a little surprised by how negative things are in here. Is Melnyk spending like crazy right now? No. Is he being a little dishonest with hardcore fans? Yes. But looking at where the on-ice product is right now, I’m happy the team isn’t throwing around crazy money to resign Hemsky etc. Even Spezza, who I love, is probably a gamble going forward at the kind of number and term he will command.

    I’ll save my outrage for the time a homegrown talent like Karlsson, Lehner or Zibanejad is allowed to walk away in his prime.

    • Andrews theory

      ummm let’s try summarizing things in bullet point for clarity.
      -Sens can’t spend money due to financial restrictions;
      FINE
      -Sens are now in good financial shape, can’t spend money cuz that’s what idiots do; HUH?
      -Sens spend money on Bingo, scouting etc.
      OK WHY ARE WE STILL WELL BELOW LEAGUE AVG FOR THESE THINGS?
      How long do you think it takes home grown talent to realize that the team is unwilling to surround them with players to assist them in reaching the next level. You can offer all the money in the world to Karlsson, he already took a home town discount, the second he has a chance for UFA status he’s gone.

      • A-Train

        Those things could happen. But I still think it’s a little early for all-caps panic mode. That’s just me though.

        • Andrews theory

          i guess it’s a case of recognizing that we have an amazing core of young players. While we do have some prospects remaining with Peumple and Lazar, most of our young core has already graduated.
          we had a shot at the cup a few years back and with the right additions we should have another shot in a few years time. The message many of us are hearing recently is that those additions are not in scope.

  • Andrews theory

    I think something that seems to be lost in all of this is simply;
    The Melnyk that bought this team is not the Melnyk that owns this team today.

    Purchaser;
    Generational Wealth measured in Billions
    Stable
    Married

    Current Operator;
    Michael Jordan Wealth measured in Millions
    Intoxicated
    Divorced

    • sell the team Eugene

      sad but true

      cue any one of 1000 Country songs

      “… my baby done left me and I feel like shit …..”

  • CUP 2014-15

    The Sens could become a cap team by two means only. Sign high priced free agents or trade for large contracts. Even keeping Spezz, Hemsky and Milo will leave the team about 13m under the cap so for those who want a cap team, the question is what developing players do you want on this team in the next year or two. Room will be needed for Lazar, Puemple and others to come up front. Is CC a top 4 paring guy? if yes for this year or next then the team may spend on a top 4 to pair with him and I just don’t see a 10m + Dman out there. We could always pay big money to fourth liners, opps all ready did that with Greening. In any case, when you have so many players on EL contracts and super deals like Turris and Karl’s contract, hell even ZSmith. Not so easy to spend to the cap on term and still expect to have the space when ZBad, and company start negotiating new deals. Next season the Sens have 18 players under contract for 51m, should Spezz be gone we have 17 players at 41m. How can they get to the cap? well 3 10M dollar guys would do it, but why when we have young guys gunning for those spots next year, still in the fourth year of a total rebuild ( minus Neil and CP). Young and talented with a future star goalie, let them go through the pains and become a contender or pull a page from the Maple leaf handbook and continue to try and add over priced talent to fill a gap. I like the direction this club has taken, they have spent to the cap when the age and talent of their players called for it so I have no reason to believe they will not be a cap team when ZBad, Stone, Lazar, Puemple, CC, Cowen, PW, EG and Cleasson or Boro are all millionaires instead of earning 600-900,000 per.

    • FistsofNeil25

      See here’s the thing, I don’t think people want or expect to see Melnyk spend to the absolute cap. We just don’t want a budget so strict that EVERY and ANY trade we make has to be money in and money out.

      We don’t want a budget so strict that meant we couldn’t have made a Hemsky type trade until the deadline, a trade that required Edmonton to retain half the players’ salary and forced Murray to get Conacher and Corvo’s salary off the books.

      We don’t want a budget so strict that forced a passionate fanbase to allow the heart and soul of the franchise to walk away for nothing.

      The problem is Melnyk has NEVER once said that he will increase payroll when the time is right. He’s simply told us that only idiots spend and that isn’t a winning formula.

    • Andrews theory

      i dont think anyone is advocating that we need to be a cap team this past year or next year for that matter but there has been 0 indication given that this will be an option when the time is right and that in itself is wrong…
      Young developing players need to be supported by veterans, it’s proven every year by the team that wins the cup.

    • runningbear1974

      Melnyk has said that he will spend if appropriate… Murray has also stated that Melnyk has reassured him that he would spend if it made sense…
      I guess the fans want Melnyk and Murray to repeat that every interview…

  • senshockeyfan

    MacArthur-Turris-Ryan
    Hoffman-Spezza-Alfy/Hemsky
    Stone-Zibanejad-Stewart
    Grant/Dziurzynski-Smith-Neil
    Edler-Karlsson
    Methot-Cowen
    Phillips-Ceci
    Borowiecki
    Anderson
    Lehner
    Approx. 62 million

  • FistsofNeil25

    Lehner’s a RFA this summer. What kind of contract do you guys expect him to get?

  • SensChirp

    From Melnyk’s Interview- On increased revenue and TV deals affecting payroll. I just don’t understand how any fan can read this and say “Yup, sounds good to me!” I know I’m beating a dead horse here but fans need to get mad about this…

    It’s very, very easy to increase payroll. Any idiot can do it and a lot of
    idiots do and they overspend. They go to the cap, I’ve done it twice and
    both times it didn’t make an impact. Where we want to spend our money
    and what you don’t see is how much money we spend behind the scenes on
    the development of our players, what we do down in Binghamton, what we
    do with our player development internally. That’s where the money is and
    that’s the best bang for your buck. To overpay for a player, just go
    through the graveyard of all these players who have been paid and have
    gotten seven year contracts at $7 million apiece and everyone thinks
    they’re geniuses and they turn out to not meet expectations. Then you
    come across someone who’s a $2 million or $3 million player and they’re a
    better player than that $7 million player on another team. It gives us
    more room to do what we need to do but you don’t just spend money
    because you have money in your pocket, that’s nonsense. We’re going to
    be very wise with where we spend our money because we’re constantly
    investing in the future and we don’t want to be in a position where once
    you get into three, four or five years of not hitting the playoffs, in
    some cases it’s a lot more than that with other teams, but you have to
    continually invest in your junior programs, your scouting, your
    development, all of that. That’s where a lot of money is spent and
    that’s where it’ll continue to be spent.

    • SensChirp

      Rest of the transcript is here, by the way

      http://senators.nhl.com/club/blogpost.htm?id=28413

      • Corey Trevor

        My favourite part is where he talks about ticket revenues… I assume ‘painting the place’ was done by giving tickets/deals to local hockey associations and/or charities? What a cheapskate – and if the tickets are unsold, or aren’t going to be used, is it not better to have people in the seats spending $10 on a beer and $5 on a GD hotdog (pronounced hot-doug)?

        “The difference this year was on a number of different levels we actually did better, simply because we stopped doing what they call “painting the place.” That’s where you do all sorts of deals to put people in the seats and it’s actually an illusion because it looks like you’re full but you aren’t actually full from a revenue perspective. This year we took a different approach and said, “this is where we are, this is what we have.” As far as seats are concerned, yes, we’re down a little bit as far as seat sales are concerned.” Eugene Melnyk

        • Hax

          They didn’t stop giving tickets to local charities and hockey orgs or even group sales. What they stopped was frantically giving away tickets en masse or doing really deep discounts to fill seats since that can undervalue your product. If someone gets tickets for $5 all the time they’re not going to eventually pay full price. But if freebies or deep discounts are fairly rare then you’re not diminishing the appeal of full price tickets.

          • Corey Trevor

            I don’t know if I agree with that logic as it applies to this situation… when I get free tickets to a sporting event, that savings is usually off-set by buying merch, food, beer, parking etc. I have a hard time believing it’s in the Sens interest to make sure people pay full pop as opposed to ensuring that the seats are filled.

            I looked online for info regarding ticket giveaways and other stuff from last year compared to this year, but couldn’t find much of anything other than attendance records. If the only difference was that they didn’t heavily discount gameday tickets, then so be it. However, there has gotta be better ways of ‘painting the place’ than just giving away tickets at random or offering super-cheap gameday tickets. Heaven knows the team could use some feel-good PR stories after last summer, and if revenues are the main concern, how do you benefit from less foot traffic? Like, what’s the margin on a Coke or Canadian sold at the CTC?

            I do agree that giveaways undercut the motivation to pay full price, but shouldn’t the goal be to sell-out every game by having the ticket price reflect demand? So, by that logic, they shouldn’t be in a position to give tickets away… I donno, just another statement that doesn’t add up for me.

            I understand that the Sens do a lot of good charity work, but I took a look online and it doesn’t seem like their group deals are all that special, considering one of the perks is a Sens Store gift card. One free ticket for getting 9 people to the game also seems a little light in my books. Time for me to buy the Sens I guess.

          • Hax

            When it’s a rarity that’s fine and I agree. But when it happens a lot (like it was happening) it’s counter-productive.

            I’m fine with the statement that cutting back on freebies is smart business in the long run but as usual Melnyk only talks in extremes and that makes it look less valid.

    • FistsofNeil25

      He seems to think you can either be a budget team and spend wisely or be a cap team full of inflated, terrible contracts. What about the teams that spend to the cap and do so while spending wisely?

      • SensChirp

        He’s also completely full of it when he says additional money is being directed towards development. It’s just a good place to say the money is going that we can’t dispute because those numbers aren’t released.

        • Cicero

          ^ okay I think I channelled you in my reply. lol

        • FistsofNeil25

          This is what I don’t understand. He says that he spends more money in development and hockey ops and so on and so forth, but in the next breath says that we have a lean and mean management and scouting staff. He must be paying them all big bucks then if that’s where his money is?

        • senate19

          Chirp you’ve been pretty even for a long time now, and I must say it’s nice to see your feather’s ruffled.

          Ask yourself one question – if we had a stable, sustainable ownership, would we be in this situation? (Alfie, Spezza, etc.) The answer I think EVERYONE would give is:

          “NO”.

          I still think we should get a petition going to say “thanks”

          • SensChirp

            Hate feeling this way about the team. Trying to put together a post on upcoming free agents and just can’t do it without a painfully sarcastic tone haha

      • sell the team Eugene

        ….. and 2 of these will be playing for the Stanley Cup in a few weeks

        • s3nsfan

          Yeah let’s get the owner who has repeatedly said he would keep the team in ottawa to sell to some american billionaire who’s only agenda is to move the team. Careful what you wish for…

          • not YOUR wingman

            Do some research

            There are several wealthier than Melnyk Canadians lined up to buy

            the team and keep it in Ottawa

          • SensChirp

            Fact.

          • boom

            Really? (I’m not being facetious… if true, I had no idea)

          • FistsofNeil25

            We should organize some kind of rally or rebellion to get Eugene’s attention! Who’s with me?!?!

          • do due dew doodoo

            an online petition asking Eugene Pinchpenny to sell the team ?

            I know at least 30 people that would sign

          • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

            Then stop buying merchandise and tickets.

          • FistsofNeil25

            No, I still want to support the players, coaches and management that I still believe in.

          • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

            If people aren’t willing to stop spending their money(and in large numbers) there is nothing you can do….Does Melnyk care if you wear a paper bag on your head…nope…does he care if you boo…nope…does he care if you bring signs expressing your displeasure….probably not….does he care if he isn’t getting your money for an inferior product….absolutely

          • FistsofNeil25

            But then he will have a case to present to Bettman if he wants to re-locate the team. “Look Gary, Ottawa doesn’t want to support a NHL franchise anymore”.

          • Corey Trevor

            What is ‘Eugene is a dickless prick’?

            I’ll take Sports for 200 Alex. do-do do-do do-do Daily Double!

      • John Q. Spartan

        That’s not what he says at all. The trick is to NOT be one of those teams with inflated contracts just because you have money to spend. Those teams weren’t built overnight.

        • FistsofNeil25

          The trick is to be one of the teams that draft and develop properly while adding through key free agent signings and trades. That’s how all the contenders do it, isn’t it?

          • Brutus5247

            The Phillips signing still boggles my mind. Greening had a decent season and was extended(a bit too much). We have been developing decent players but our movements nearly always come in trade form. This is the difference between our team and some of the contenders. They will outright buy a highpaid UFA we don’t.

    • Cicero

      Ok, I’ll bite as a devil’s advocate. Everything above makes a lot of sense, if you can assemble a winning team, one with upand coming prospects.

      But the strategy falls flat if, and this is the stickler for me, there is in fact not ‘a lot of money’ going into scouting and player development. In that case, it’s a recipe for disaster.

      Of course, he has no obligation to open-up the books on development expenditures.

    • s3nsfan

      K call me simple, but where is it I’m supposed to be mad. He says it gives them more room to spend when / if they need to and they spend money on player development? Again I could be simple, but everyone always talks about the amazing scouting and development the Sens have, is that not due in part to the fact they spend money on development. Not trying to create anger or animosity, I just don’t understand the problem. He has openly said they would spend when necessary.

      • Cicero

        Mad at not being in the playoffs. Mad that Alfie is hitting the rink with the Wings tonight in Rd. 1. Mad at everything that went wrong this past season. Mad at the prospect of losing Spezza now, and scared of the exodus of others, most of all Karlsson.

        All of these reactions are natural, and Maclean and Murray have both honestly borne accountability as leaders.

        So Melnyk becomes the object of fan frustration, and every word he utters is going under the same fan scrutiny as Cowen’s coverage or Condra’s slapshot :-)

      • John Q. Spartan

        Correct.

      • A-Train

        I’m with you. People are getting a little irrational about the Melnyk thing. It is far too early in the game to be this upset.

    • spezzerman

      Well, if they want to keep Bobby Ryan, they will have to pay him 7 years at 7 million so we shall see where that goes. Murray has said they have every intention of doing so.

      Technically, Melnyk isnt wrong here, but the problem we are coming to is, these players that they are spending all this supposed development money on eventually get to be UFA’s. Are you going to let them walk because they are now too expensive? If so, it was all for nothing and you might as well overspend on UFA’s because it will be cheaper in the long run anyway.

      The real answer is somewhere in the middle but Melnyk talking down to his customers like we are idiots isnt helping. Paying (at most) $500,000 for Hemsky when it was too late is not evidence of a willingness to spend

      • Hax

        Exactly – technically what Melnyk is saying isn’t wrong it’s just the way he’s saying it and the occasional slip makes it hard to trust him.

        Melnyk needs to hire Chirp as his spin doctor/publicist. And Chirp should only take the job if he believes Melnyk is just a bit of a buffoon who doesn’t understand the fans as opposed to an outright liar.

  • FAB

    “Eugene Melnyk is the Rob Ford of the NHL”

    • Deadly

      Totally pathetic..to compare this business man who has had a very decent business career to Rob Ford who is the mayor of the city that is home to the Maple Leafs.

      • do due dew doodoo

        both drunk and saying stupid things in public ?
        Melnyk is a pretty good RF apprentice

      • I’m just sayin’

        both have been drunk and telling obvious lies in public

        a pretty good comparison actually

        • Deadly

          Not even close….public trough….
          Running businesses that support countless families.

          • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

            Judging by anyone I know that works there outside of the hockey side I would put that as “supporting” countless families.

  • Cicero

    Just as an aside…. Melnyk ought to invest more in fan development. Hiding from my creditors is really impacting my ability to watch games in public.

    $40K would be a good start. Student loan eh.

  • FistsofNeil25

    Is anyone else already dreading the day that Phillips is given the “C” once Spezza is traded?

    • Hax

      I’m not so sure. Maybe they go to Karlsson now or even Turris. Though I do think it’s overrated anyway. Leaders lead with a letter or not.

      • Michenator

        I want Methot to have the C. Great character guy and he’s bilingual which would be pretty great for Ottawa to have I think.

        • Hax

          Decent point and I’m sure the bilingual piece comes into the discussion. Though it does seem like the shine is off Methot a bit from the org’s perspective. But I guess if they plan to extend him this summer then they could go that way.

          • Zelle

            They better extend him, he’s been great for Ottawa overall.

      • FistsofNeil25

        I just don’t know if they would over-look Phillips for a second time, especially after signing him for two more years.

        I think they should just leave the captaincy open well into next season to see who emerges as the real leader of the team.

        I have to disagree with you though about the captaincy being overrated. I think a team’s captain is one of it’s most important pieces.

        • Hax

          Well if the captain is the leader then he’s important of course. And many teams get it right.

          I think if Crosby didn’t have a letter he’d be as much of a leader on that team. While whoever is the real leader of the Caps (I don’t think it’s Ovechkin) is clearly leading without the C. Though I suppose it’s not enough to overcome OV8.

      • runningbear1974

        It’s very very important who the captain is… That is showing to the rest of the league what the GM and Coach think of as our Identity…

        • peetypuck

          I think the leader should be someone that can lead by example. A guy that’s at his best in the big games that really count.

          • runningbear1974

            The leader and captain should always be the hardest worker on and off the ice… Should be a requirement…

        • Hax

          I think Sens fans are a bit jaded on the subject. We’re missing Alfie of course (in terms of leadership) but if for the sake of argument Alfie had stayed but gave the C to Spezza (i.e. no big controversy and Alfie showing his support for Spezza etc) then there really wouldn’t be any questions of leadership.

          Again, usually the guys with the letters are the leaders and the leaders are HUGE – but they don’t necessarily need a letter to lead. Ideally the guys with letters are leaders and also guys that can speak to the media etc and be “the faces” of the team but they’re rarely the only leaders on the team.

    • Hannibal

      In my opinion, for the short time he has been here, Clark McArthur, has had a significant impact on this team. His leadership is continually exhibited and measured 200 feet at a time. In the short term until Turris or Karlsson are ready, he would be my choice.

    • Garrioch’s reliable source

      Chris Neil was my choice last year

  • s3nsfan

    So I’ve been told to do research on number of millionaire canadians lined up to buy the sens. I’d appreciate, some assistance in locating this info. Thanks

    • bluebuyyoo

      I can help. But first, I have some swamp land…

    • Deadly

      First look for billionaires , have them buy the team and watch them become millionaires.

    • Brutus5247

      My guess is there isn’t a lineup of people or corporations wanting to buy a struggling small market team for 400 million that shows a 10 mil loss every year.

  • Dirk-Diggler
    • Hax

      No need to buy out Greening. Some floor team (er, other than us) would take him. I think that team looks pretty young but lots of upside I guess.

    • FistsofNeil25

      What did we acquire in a Spezza trade? Where’s the “harder” forward that Murray is seeking? No upgrade on d?

      • Dirk-Diggler

        I traded away Spezza thinking we would get a prospect and a pick.. ALso, I don’t want Stewart or Callahan, I’d rather Gaborik since he has skill…

        With 8 1 way contracts on D I figured not to acquire one and I am hoping Cowen and Weir just had sophomore slumps and wiill rebound big time

        Gryba walks or traded for a very late pick and Boro is #7 D and Da Costa comes up too as #13 F

        • s3nsfan75

          Gaborik is oft injured. Callahan would be a nice fit on this team, IMHO, defence, i think needs a top 4.

    • I’m just sayin’

      interesting but I’d prefer to spend the Gaborik money on improving the defense

      BTW – what is the Cap Floor for next season ?
      Can’t seem to find it on the capgeek site

    • FistsofNeil25

      This is what I came up with based on the asking price for Spezza (roster player + high end prospect + pick), Murray’s desire for a “harder” forward + Stewart rumors, 2 year contract @ 4 mill per for Michalek based on what seems to be mutual interest in him remaining a Sen, and Murray’s comments that he likes his defense the way it is.

      http://capgeek.com/armchair-gm/roster/9822

      Spezza to St Louis for Berglund + Rattie + pick

      Prince + for Stewart.

  • MrBubble

    Sorry if this has been discussed at length, but when is this magical “right time to spend” that I see some people posting about. Looking at the Eastern Conference the past two years when is Ottawa going to be in a better position to push for a Stanley Cup?

    X-Spezza-Hemsky
    MacArthur-Turris-Ryan
    X-Zibanejad-Stone
    Greening-Smith-Neil

    Methot-Karlsson
    Cowen-X
    Phillips-Ceci

    Anderson
    Lehner

    Asking Melnyk to spend the money to look at acquiring a legitimate top six winger and a top four defenseman to put this team in the position to compete should not be too much. Even if he added those two pieces I don’t think Ottawa would be anywhere near the salary cap. With the prospect depth the organization currently possesses and the roster they’ve got up in Ottawa now is the time to make their move. If Ottawa let’s Hemsky walk and trades Spezza of this summer there are going to be another two huge holes in the roster. From there we’ll just be sitting around praying that the team gets to the point we were already at again until Zib, Karlsson, Turris, Ryan, and whoever else decides enough is enough.

    • sprucesens

      yeah, i thought about that too. To get to that “right time” we have to aquire some pieces to get to that point. We have to be about 5-10 mill under cap max, then we can bring in that last piece and make a run. We can’t be 20 mil under and bring in 3 of those players. gotta slowly increase the payroll, which i hope is the plan

      • runningbear1974

        We are slowly bringing in talent on the team… Turris, Zibanejad, Macarthur, Ryan… We are…
        No team is going to give you high quality player… Some teams might give you their overpaid players, but not their high value quality players…
        There is no legitimate top 6 or top 2 d to be had… No one is giving those away…
        Our team is not a cup contender until our defense becomes more solid… We are no where close to as good as Chicago or Boston, or Pittsburgh or Anaheim, or LA, or San Jose… So right now is not the time… We need to build more skill from within first… Then maybe add one or two extra… We can’t add a whole team of extras, other teams are saturating that strategy…
        I insist that first we need a winning identity and build on that… Until then we’re a bunch of soft skilled guys… This identity of ours has to change… That should be the focus in my mind…

        • MrBubble

          Players like Christian Ehrhoff are out there to be had if you are willing to give up the assets and pay for his contract. Where exactly is Ottawa getting the “talent” to replace guys like Jason Spezza if they aren’t picking at the top of the draft because the team is too good to finish much lower than they did this season? By the time you wait for enough late round steals to fill out the rest of the roster internally guys like Ryan, MacArthur, Karlsson, Methot, and Anderson will be gone. This team needs 2 decent pieces and a bit of time to mature to really compete for a Stanley Cup. Alfredsson+ a better overall atmosphere around the team could have done wonders for them this past season.

          • runningbear1974

            I think if we pick up another guy like Macarthur than that should be fine to fill in the void left by Spezza… Again what matters is the identity of the team…
            Don’t sign Hemsky… The skill is not worth it… Sign another Macarthur… Continue to get one or two of these guys per year, until the majority of the team is highly competitive…

          • MrBubble

            Every year you wait the younger players in your organization get more expensive, or they get hurt, or they leave through free agency. You can’t really deal with what might happen under ideal circumstances. Sure Ottawa could try to luck out every year by getting a player like MacArthur at a discount rate, but how many teams pull that kind of stuff off on a consistent basis?

          • runningbear1974

            We’re building our asset pool…. We traded two big prospects for Ryan… We have Puemple and Lazar as legitimate players… It’s not luck… There are lot of guys out there… The trick is to pick the right ones… In my mind, Hemsky is not the right one… He is, only if Spezza is our identity, in that case then yeah, bring in more soft skilled that don’t like to hit or shoot the puck… But, if not, then get rid of him and find someone that works hard like Macarthur…
            Murray got us Turris, Ryan, Macarthur… Those are 3 of my favourite players… Lets continue going along that train of thought…
            I was reassured by Melnyk’s words, because I think he’s identified what is good and bad about the team… Skill is overpriced… There is no way that Spezza is more valuable than Alfie, and yet he always has and will command a higher salary… If I’m the GM, there’s no way I would tolerate that stuff on my team… Hardest workers get the money, get the ice time…

    • SensChirp

      Completely agree. And I would argue that there was a window to contend this year, and that thought was only solidified watching the four Eastern Conference teams last night.

      Had they kept Alfredsson, still traded for Ryan, still signed MacArthur and made an aggressive play for a top pairing defenceman, I think this team could have made some serious noise this year.

      • MrBubble

        Yep. Keeping Alfredsson in the mix and bringing in a legitimate top four defenseman could have done wonders for the team this season if Anderson was able to play like he did last year. Like you, I’m just fed up with the BS we are fed about how any idiot can spend to the cap. Just come out and say you can’t afford to put together a Stanley Cup contending team Eugene. I’d be a lot happier knowing the actual situation the team is in instead of just thinking the owner has completely unrealistic views on how to win in the NHL. It really is a shame all the momentum from last year’s playoff win has just been completed erased by this trainwreck of a season.

        • runningbear1974

          We thought we did add a top forward and defense (Spezza and Karlsson) to last year’s team… But, that made our team worse… We would have been a better team if those guys would have stayed injured…
          Lots of teams are using the pay the most strategy… Most of those teams will fail… It’s not a particular smart strategy, any idiot can think of that… Mr Melnyk is saying he tried that strategy, and I believe he’s the one that suggested that strategy, but it didn’t work, so he decided to listen to Murray, and to build a real team from within…

          • MrBubble

            I’m not advocating for Melnyk to “spend the most” I just want to see him actually spending his money wisely like he claims. Go look up how much Pittsburgh, Chicago, Los Angeles, and Boston spent on their rosters during the year they won the Cup. Every year 29 teams are not going to win it all, but that doesn’t mean spending money is a mistake. 2011/2012 and 2012/2013 were not the years Ottawa needed to spend a lot of money on their roster. This season and next season the team is in an excellent position to contend and that window is quickly going to close.

          • runningbear1974

            No one will give you their good players… Sometimes the problem with the team are those that are getting paid too much… And not with the guys who aren’t getting paid much…
            In my opinion we are handicapped by Cowen, and until he becomes dependable we don’t have a shot at the cup…

          • peetypuck

            If you look at the teams that have won a Stanley Cup lately or are contenders you will find that they did it through the draft. Chicago, Pittsburgh, LA, Anaheim, Colorado and Tampa Bay all have several top draft picks. Players that are proven winners throughout their hockey careers.

          • MrBubble

            Go back and watch last year’s team(2012/2013). The fact that they made the playoffs was outstanding, but a lot of luck went into that. Had last year’s team played a full season without Spezza and Karlsson I don’t think they would have been anywhere near as successful. This year Spezza, Cowen, and Karlsson came back from major injuries, so I think people should have expected that they might struggle a bit. Add inconsistent goal tending and horrible defensive play and you wind up with what we saw out on the ice for 82 games. Had Murray been able to insulate his injured players a bit better than things may have turned out differently and it looked like Spezza/Karlsson were finally playing better later in the year.

          • runningbear1974

            I agree with your assessment about last year… If Spezza, Cowen and Karlsson had been on the team, we probably wouldn’t have made the playoffs (and probably would have lost the first round)… Those guys are too un-stabilizing for a team… They all need to be insulated… That’s too much, too many players… Cowen is young so yeah makes sense to insulate him… Karlsson is also young, and has limited mobility, so he needed some help too… Spezza is Spezza… He is a veteran, but unfortunately he is not and has never been a stabilizing factor… He too needs insulation…
            The goalies looked good because our team played a sound system… This year’s system is ridiculous… Take chances at all areas of the ice, take chances against their best players or their worst players, don’t make any smart decisions at all…
            There is no way we could have insulated all those guys, especially since some of those guys should actually be insulating other guys… This year’s team is the same as 2 years ago… It’s not something to build on… Last year’s team however was a good team that you can build upon…

          • Senatollah

            Totally disagree – sorry but last years team (2012/2013) does not make the playoffs in an 82 game season. We saw what happened to the laffs this year, that was us last year EXCEPT for the fact that the lockout went as long as it did to create a false season where anything can happen. Gonna keep saying it, if last year, WITH OUR LORD ALFIE, the season was 1 week longer the Sens dont make the playoffs. We got lucky, got pesky, and played a great regular season team but one not built for the playoffs in MTL.

          • MrBubble

            If this is in response to the post above that starts with “Go Back” then that was my entire point, so not sure how you can disagree and then completely restate what I said. The 2012/2013 team got lucky and would not have made the playoffs without their 2 best players during a full 82 game schedule.

      • Zelle

        Same defensive system as last year, kept the leadership, couple of good signings, probably would have put the team in the third round.

      • John Q. Spartan

        We watched different teams this year…

  • I’m just sayin’
  • sprucesens

    deleted link doesn’t work…

    • FistsofNeil25

      That’s exactly the same roster that Dirk posted below lol

      • sprucesens

        lol, yeah i deleted. mine didn’t work properly. mine was supposed to have spezza trade to Nashville for Josi and Forsberg. Forsberg is 3C with puempel and hoffman, zib line 2 with stone and cammelleri signed at 6 mill. Lehner signs for 3.5mill. Then pageau on 4th LW. With condra and greening as extras. D was Josi karlsson, methot ceci, Phillips PW/cowen. I think it left us 15 mill cap space

    • runningbear1974

      Not bad… I think we should look at giving Smith a good winger to see if he can make something happen… Put Pageau on the 4th line with limited minutes (too bad he’s so small)…

  • FAB

    Undervalued players that Murray may target this summer

    Matthew Lombardi
    Jussi Jokinen
    David Desharnais
    Blake Comeau
    Michael Frolik
    Gabriel Bourque
    Rob Klinkhammer
    Patric Hornqvist
    Benoit Pouliot
    Mathieu Perreault
    Craig Smith
    Dwight King
    Eric Fehr
    Patrik Berglund
    Anton Stralman
    David Schlemko
    Jared Spurgeon
    Tom Gilbert
    Stephane Robidas

    • Garrioch’s reliable source

      Please help us Billy Beane – you’re our only hope

  • Zelle

    Watching the games last night it’s clear that the Sens aren’t the only teams with defense issues. With only two games there were 15 goals scored. My coworker exclaimed that this was real hockey and how it should be done, but that’s not what has been winning the Cup in recent years. Whoever comes out of TB / MTL and PIT / CLB will probably fall to the winner of the other two match ups.

    It makes me sad to know that the Sens aren’t in it, especially since I know they have the skill.

    • runningbear1974

      sorry for saying the same thing over again… But, we’ve always had the skill… Hossa, Havlat, Spezza, Alfie… Skill has never been our weak point…

  • FistsofNeil25

    Danny Heatley a healthy scratch tonight. Awesome.

    • esk

      dumbass should of stayed with the sens. ruined his career

    • PraiseAlfie11

      How is he a healthy scratch? Dont they know he’s a fucking all star?

      • bluebuyyoo

        Fucking *dominant* All-Star!

  • SensChirp

    Ok, after this I’m done with this topic. We’ll shift the focus to the off season and playoffs after this rant haha

    http://senschirp.ca/article/enough-enough/