Murray Extended, Dorion/Lee Promoted

SensChirp January 13, 2014 337
Murray Extended, Dorion/Lee Promoted

It has been rumoured for the past couple weeks and today the Ottawa Senators made it official- Bryan Murray is sticking around as General Manager.

The deal includes two more years as GM and a new title as President of Hockey Operations.  It will keep Murray in the organizations for the next four seasons. A well-earned extension for Mr. Murray.

At the age of 71, Bryan Clarence Murray has shown no signs of slowing down. He has done a terrific job with this team over the past few seasons and thanks to this contract, will now get a chance to put the finishing touches on the rebuild and ideally, contend for a Stanley Cup over the next couple of seasons.

It has been talked about at length around these parts but the only way that can happen is if Owner Eugene Melnyk gives Murray a little flexibility to spend. The last couple seasons have been frustrating at time for Murray so I would not be at all surprised if the issue of spending came up between Murray and Melnyk during contract negotiations.

As part of this morning’s announcement, the team has officially promoted Pierre Dorion and Randy Lee to the role of assistant General Manager. There was a lot of hand wringing last week when Tim Murray up and left for a Division rival but not everybody in the organization was devastated the loss and a big reason for that is Dorion and Lee. Both guys have played a huge part in the team’s success in drafting and player development and at times, have taken on many of the responsibilities of an Assistant General Manager.

Safe to say the Ottawa Senators organization is in great hands with a combination of Bryan Murray, Pierre Dorion and Randy Lee calling the shots.

  • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

    Wow awesome… I am almost certain I watched him agree to the terms while sitting in the Philadelphia airport. I would LOVE to know if his “Yeah that sounds good, let’s go with that” was his agreement!

    • SensChirp

      You could have broke the news before anyone else!

      • Mat

        Or he could have broke an equally important decision taken at the airport that day: Going with the chicken Calabrese sandwich as opposed to the turkey swiss with alfalfa sprouts. The sprouts give him gas…

        • SuperSENS

          I approve of that decision ;)

  • SensChirp

    “Mr. Melnyk has made it very clear that he wants to be a champion, and
    that’s what we want for all of our fans. It is an exciting time for us
    as we see this team grow, and being part of that growth is a big reason
    for both of us to make this commitment.” Bryan Murray

    • spezzerman

      that is very reassuring

  • sben

    What happens when murray retires? Do both dorion and lee work as co-gms?

    • Hax

      More likely that they go external, but if they do stay internal I think Dorion becomes GM and Randy Lee just takes on the full AGM role.

      • sbs138

        more likely? how do you know this?

        • Hax

          LOL not saying I “know” anything. But given that Dorion (or Lee) will only have 2+ years experience as AGM by the time Murray steps down, it would seem unlikely they’d jump into a GM role. Most guys hired as GMs have a bit more experience as an AGM. Though of course if they pretty much decide today to start grooming Dorion for a GM role then he’d probably be ready by then.

          • Alcatraz

            Mind you the special advisor role seems like a mentorship thing with someone with a lack of experience ie dorion

            Also it really all depends where our team is at the time. If we are struggling and need a shake up its from outside. If we are excelling and our vision is clear they will hire from within

          • Hax

            Great points. Even if we do hire from the outside those two years allows for a smooth transition. But yes – provides some protection for Dorion if the org believes he’s the best option but still a touch green.

    • Sensnation

      If the current team is unsuccessful over the next 2 years, they would likely go external. However if as expected the rebuild works and the Sens are maintaining elite status in the league a seamless transition to Dorion makes the most sense imo.

  • Hax

    I know the popular view is that Melnyk is just a cheap, broke moron and everything, but what if Murray’s plan all along was to run “lean” until the last two years of Spezza’s contract? Sure he’d love to spend more but knowing Ottawa is a small market I can easily picture a conversation back before the Kelly/Fisher trades where Murray outlines a plan where we go young/cheap for a few years then ramp up closer to the cap for a couple of years to “make a run”.

    I wouldn’t be surprised at all to see some signings or trades over the next season or two that bring us close to the cap – but with the caveat that after those two seasons we can let guys walk to get back to the middle of the pack for spending.

    Anyway, glad Murray’s still going to be involved for four more years!

    • SensChirp

      Definitely a possibility. There have been times where an overly restrictive budget was an issue but if it means that there is money to spend when the time is right, all will be forgiven.

      That time isn’t far off so we’ll know soon enough.

      • Senatollah

        Where has an overly restrictive budget EVER been an issue? What free agent didn’t come to Ottawa (ignoring they lose 10-15% of their take home vs playing for a US based team)? Other than Alfie, which is a different discussion. When the organization signed Zack Smith the consensus was it was too much. Looks good today. When the organization signed Colin Greening consensus online was it was too much/too long. Could make an argument on overspending on projects like SDC and Borocop too. I agree above that smart spending now, building the core and having cap flexibility is important. I am happy that the BSENS get higher quality AHL players to compliment the prospects that are expected to make the Sens some day. Sens have always been close to the 50 contract cap, which also should be considered. Helps making those Bobby Ryan type trades – quantity for quality!

    • spezzerman

      I’ve said it before but there is no way Murray commits to 4 more years without financial assurances. They had a plan and they stuck to it. Fans just arent patient after seeing two years of unexpected success and wanting more.

    • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

      Been saying this all along

      • SensChirp

        But until we see it actually happen, it’s sort of wishful thinking.

        • spezzerman

          That works both ways for you naysayers, chirp. If they simply stuck to a budget vs overspending at the wrong time that is just good management.

          • SensChirp

            Well I’ve seen the alternative happen for the last couple years.

          • spezzerman

            not sure I understand your comment?

        • Hax

          I freely admit there’s some wishful thinking in there on my part.

          But really, I can’t see us ever having an owner that simply spends near the cap every year. Nobody is going to be willing to lose that much money. Just about everything Melnyk and Murray have said over the past few years is in line with “be extra cautious now, spend when the stars align”.

          Of course, that’s the kind of BS an owner or GM would say if the truth was “yeah we’re never going to spend”. But think of it this way: If you were going to pick a team to be GM of in the NHL right now, are there many better options than the Sens? Of the teams that have more young talent, most also have some bad contracts or some glaring holes. Ottawa has ZERO bad contracts and no major holes.

          And our needs can easily be filled whenever we deem the time to be right (i.e. if one wanted to make a big push next season you can spend to the cap through UFAs or trades to get another top 6 winger and a top 4 D and you’re pretty much set).

          Rose-colored glasses or not, if the plan all along was to wait until our young guys start to peak before spending then we’re on track.

    • Sensnation

      This is what I’ve been saying all season. The financial landscape in the NHL changed with the new CBA. Yes Melnyk came across some personal hardships with his divorce, but in the end he’s mainly just getting all his ducks in a row for future success. Fans just assumed the worst after the whole casino fiasco during the summer.

      Also, is it really so bad that Murray wasn’t allowed to sign another Kovalev or Latendresse? Smart spending like MacArthur is what we want from him anyways!

  • Mat

    Count me in as one of those relieved to see this contract put in place. I have had full confidence in Murray since the beginning. One of the greatest hockey minds in the business. We are all very fortunate today.

  • CUP 2014-15

    This is a great day for the organization. I think the three musketeer’s will bring us to the promise land. PD will be an outstanding GM down the road. Listening to BM on team 1200 it sure sounds like there is a trade coming sooner then later.

    • s3nsfan

      What makes you think that?

      • CUP 2014-15

        the question from Pierre Le Brun from TSN, Murray replied that he could put it out there that were open for business. He later stated the team is looking for a forward. That we have quality young players who could play in the NHL but are in Bingo due to the state of our talent already here.

        • my2sens

          Guess you were right, SC just re-tweeted that BM is willing to move young guns for a top 6…

          Anyone have a list of top 6′s available?

          • CUP 2014-15

            LOL, even a blind dog finds a bone once in a while. I will show this to my wife as I don’t think she knows I can be right now and then.

        • Hax

          Not saying he’s not willing to make a move but the statement is a pretty generic “I’m the GM” statement. No GM is going to say “I won’t be making any trades”.

          That said, it’s certainly true that we have guys playing in Bingo or scratched in Ottawa that could play in the NHL on other teams. Guys like Wiercioch, Peumple, Prince etc could be part of our future or they might not if other guys stay ahead of them.

          Still plenty of room for Murray to make a move or two of the “quantity for quality” variety but without clearing out the cupboards entirely.

    • my2sens

      I am not too sure BM is willing to part with any key players to the future or picks at this time… That being said, not sure of who is available and at what price.

      I am quite happy with the team we have now.

    • Finn 8

      Andrew Ladd

      • CUP 2014-15

        That would be an amazing pick-up, love that choice Finn.

      • WolfInSheepsClothes

        Mark Stone and a 2nd for Ladd, something like that…?

        • Finn 8

          I thinking more of trading Defenceman (Cowen)

          • CUP 2014-15

            Agree Finn, with the eight already here, 7 if you drop UH OH. We are still looking at 2 in Bingo that look like players. That doesn’t stop from including a forward but there has to be at least one D off this teams roster.

          • Sensnation

            Trading a top 4 Dman to replace him with a 6/7 Boro is not a smart move!

          • CUP 2014-15

            What top 4 D, your not referring to UH OH are you?

          • Sensnation

            UH OH? Is that supposed to be a funny rip on Cowen or Corvo?

          • CUP 2014-15

            Why would it apply to Cowen? He will be fine in time and I think pretty much everyone on here knows who UH OH is.

          • Sensnation

            Man i have no clue who your pet names are for, hence why I asked.

            So Corvo?

          • CUP 2014-15

            LOL, My pet name? Well you should follow the sports pages better. He was named UH OH by the Ottawa media years ago and has been refereed to as such numerous times.

          • Sensnation

            No, I get it, not sure how I missed this one now or in his last stay. Makes sense for sure!

          • Bob

            Uh OH Corvo..?? doesn’t ring a bell? google his first time with the sens, should help out.. ;)

          • Sensnation

            I guess I got used to this forum praising Corvo so long this season thought I was the only one who still saw him as a useless piece.

          • PraiseAlfie11

            Cowen hasn’t been bad for a while now. I can’t remember the last time I said “What the hell were you thinking Cowen?”

        • Laurence Babchyuk

          Wow ! If Andrew Ladd lands on this team it will be amazing ! We need a player like him and he could maybe be a futur captain.

  • 57gord

    Finger’s crossed the Peter Priciple does not kick in with all this.

  • gds

    dont get me wrong i like the team, but if you look at other teams (ducks,hawks,kings, sharks,bruins,pens and even the avs) there role players are just outstanding, if we could move some players and a couple prospects and grab a player like, mathieu perreault, nick bonino or a player like justin williams, if we could grab a couple players like them i think are chances are better than they are today, i like our team but you always have to keep buliding and getting better

    • Andrews theory

      We have skilled players capable of playing in the bottom 6. It’s the consistent top 6 threat we are missing to play with Spezza. Ryan is married to Turris for the foreseeable future and that’s ok.

      Then you have Zib chewing up competition on the third line

      • gds

        im more of talking about the greenings the kassians and the smiths, im a big smith fan just, all of those players could and need to be upgraded

        • CUP 2014-15

          Smith could be the best 4th line centre in the league, I wouldn’t move him and no Grant is not Smith for those out there that are thinking that.

          • gds

            i like smith but if the right deal came along for him i pull the trigger

          • CUP 2014-15

            No question “if the right deal comes along” but who isn’t traded for “the right deal”

          • gds

            ya i know, i wasnt meaning like smith for crosby type, just role for role

          • CUP 2014-15

            I just don’t want to go down the Habs road and have a high skilled team with no push back, grit or as they say play off type players.

          • gds

            thats what i was saying before, you can upgrade but not downgrade on toughness look at the ducks,kings,sharks,bruins,hawks they all have great players, skill and size/toughness i think we need maybe 2 or 3 players like that, i like kassian but i know there is a player out there that can play a better game and drop the gloves also

          • CUP 2014-15

            Well said, you can’t beat the Bruins, Pens or the west without size. Those teams may not fight a lot but they are so hard to handle with their size up front.

        • Sensnation

          Disagree, our bottom 6 is one of the better ones in the league. Some teams would be lucky to have Smith as their 3rd line C, let alone 4th. Greening, Pageau, Conacher are skilled as well. I think you are overestimating the results a Bonino puts up on a stacked team versus what we already have in house.

          • peetypuck

            The Neil, Smith and Greening line has been one of our better, most consistent lines. They’re all capable of scoring 10-15 goals also.

  • Andrews theory

    Matt Moulson please

    • gds

      i agree need 2 or 3 players like him, we need better role players, the ones we have a good, just always need to improve

  • Hax

    A few reasons why the specifics of this deal appeal to me:

    1. Of course just happy to see Murray around longer.
    2. The structure of it (2 years GM, 2 more years as president) all but guarantees a very specific date for a new GM to come in. Of course it’s always possible that Murray stays in the GM role past the two years but that’s clearly not the plan at the moment. So they can work to “groom” one of Dorion or Lee for the role and also spend some time looking around to see if someone external is a better fit etc.
    3. This puts a bit of a deadline in front of Murray that (I believe) coincided with his initial rebuild plan. So as fans, we should be optimistic for a real push from ownership on down in the next two seasons to compete for a cup.
    4. Even with the “push”, Murray signed to stay on with the team past his GM tenure means that we won’t be completely mortgaging the future (ala Muckler) or if we do pull out all the stops then we have Murray around to help restock the cupboards (not to mention Dorion who I think is a big reason our system is so stocked today).
    5. As Chirp has been alluding to, it seems logical that Murray would only agree to stick around if he felt he had enough budget freedom to actually compete for a cup. Doesn’t mean we’re suddenly a cap team, but I would have to think Murray believes that whatever our “budget” is, it gives him a real shot to put a team on the ice he can feel good about.

  • Andrews theory

    Imagine a top 9 like this;

    Turris Mac Ryan
    Spezza Moulson Conacher
    Zib MM Smith

    • Hax

      So trade Stone for Moulson?

      • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

        How’s stone been playing? Haven’t managed to catch much more than the odd highlight while I was away

        • CUP 2014-15

          Better then we could have hoped for. He looks very good.

        • things that make me go hmmmmmm

          His “hockey sense” stands out.
          His questionable (not to me) skating seems to actually fit with Spinner Spezza.

          I’m cautiously optimistic that he can be at least a solid 3rd
          line winger / power play specialist.

      • gds

        id keep stone as mm9 wont be back

        • Hax

          Wasn’t suggesting a trade – just pointing out that the top 9 AT suggested really just has Moulson in Stone’s spot followed by a little bit of a shuffle of wingers. Not a clear upgrade IMO.

          If we make any moves, they really need to include a slam-dunk upgrade. Like put an offer in for E Kane or some other high impact forward. Or a similar impact guy on D. We’ve got plenty of “okay” guys to spread around, no sense in bringing anyone new unless they’re pretty much an all star.

          • gds

            id like to see a offer for e.kane cuz i think it wouldnt take that much
            player, and prospects and a pick or a combo of those, and with the jets getting maruice as coach i think kanes days might be numbered

    • Alcatraz

      Do not separate conacher from Zib. Make them live together, eat together, sleep together, hell make sure they fuck the same girls together lol.. Those two young guys seem to gel and lets leave them together haha. Conacher is already hoping to add lazar to that line in the near future haha

      • CUP 2014-15

        Agree, that was a good quote from CC89 in regards to Lazar would be fun to play with down the road.

      • Zelle

        Agreed. Adding Lazar on that line would be killer.

    • Alcatraz

      Personally I target Calgary players and dangle Greening. He seems like a “Burke kind of guy” Maybe we can get burke to give us a skilled player who isn’t gritty but would excel alongside Turris or Spezza or Zib

      • Sensnation

        We don’t need any non-gritty skilled players unless they can play with Spezza, so 1st line quality. Calgary doesn’t exactly have many of those. Giordano would be the best piece we could take away from the Flames.

        • sprucesens

          baertschi (sp?) would be a good pickup. I think burkie doesn’t like him, but I think we would.

          • Sensnation

            He’d be great if we’re building the prospects team, but unless BM is sure he’s 1st line talent what does he add to this team we don’t already have?

            Our problem isn’t scoring, it’s defense, both positional and as a team.

      • things that make me go hmmmmmm

        I like you’re thinking here.
        Burke is not going to keep quiet for long.
        He’s often made “4 quarters for a loonie” trades in the past just to
        shake things up and put HIS mark on his new team.

    • Zelle

      MacArthur – Turris – Ryan: I don’t think anyone will argue with that one.
      Conacher – Zbad – ?: Add anyone with these two that can either skate fast or score and you have another winning line.
      Stone – Spezza – ?: They play well together. I think adding a defensive minded forward to this line, hopefully speedy or backchecking, would help. I really wish they would try Pageau here at least once.

      Neil – Smith – ?: Smith is good at the F/O, so just add another guy that can throw some hard hits and slow the opposition down.

      • SenaWalrus

        You know who would be a GREAT fit with Stone and Spezza? Alfie…

        A bit of a pipe dream, but that would be sweet.

        • Senatollah

          Ouch! sad but true

    • Luc Wolfe

      why is everyone speaking about Moulson as a possibility?

    • Jacques

      U mean Murray is gonna keep Spezz???

  • matsoukas45

    If you listen to this morning press conference Ottawa has the smallest front office staff in hockey i.e scouts etc in the long run that will hurt on ice product the financial trouble melynk is in will make this franchaise in trouble in a few years.

    • Alcatraz

      We have a small front office staff for a few reasons. Mostly because Murray runs a tight ship. Why do you think its so hard to get rumours out of Ottawa. We aren’t that big of an organization but everyone does their roles really well.
      I’m not worried in the slighest about our front office staff affecting on ice product.
      Case in point Toronto and when Burke was there he had like every ex GM in the league as an assistant/advisor. Still sucked

    • Sensnation

      Despite the size of the hired staff Ottawa uses a lot of relationships and connections with hockey personnel in europe and other places to help get a better reads on the prospects coming out of those areas. If you can do the same job for less money, why not. I do not expect this to hurt our on ice product especially since most of the main pieces that will be in the lineup over the next 3-5 years have already been drafted.

    • Sandy

      They lost Tim Murray.. so technically they have had a smaller staff than other teams for quite some time.. And that hasn’t exactly hurt them.

    • spezzerman

      This is ridiculous. How is that bloated front office staff working out in Toronto?

  • Jer6

    Ahaha my girlfriends dad is assistant manager (Randy lee) …Lets see if i can influence some trades ;)

    • Senatollah

      WAIT, my girlfriends dad is assistant manager Randy also. we should speak

      • CUP 2014-15

        LOL. That’s freaking funny.

        • Jer6

          Hahahahah

      • Hax

        *clap* *clap* *clap*

        (tips tumbler of Wisers in your general direction)

      • things that make me go hmmmmmm

        LMAO !

      • PraiseAlfie11

        Gold…

      • SenaWalrus

        WAIT! My girlfriend’s husband is Randy Lee… Boys, we need to talk.

        • Jer6

          Damn it!!! Cant trust no women these days lol

  • things that make me go hmmmmmm

    Ottawa Senators season ticket holders were sent an email last week
    informing them that the renewal period for 2014-15 has been moved
    up a few weeks to early February.

    Seems to be way too early for this.

    I’m just starting to enjoy this season and hopefully a successful
    run to the Playoffs.

    • Sandy

      I didn’t get any e-mail like that.. –

  • Sensnation

    Anyone have the link to the Murray interview?

  • Sandy

    Glad to see Murray coming back.. and both Dorion & Lee stayed in the organization.
    What I don’t want Murray to do is give up good young prospects for just rental players.. Need someone that will stay for a few years.
    The thing is.. they had the other forward they wanted in July.. but Melnyk would not give him his money… Alfie..

    • Alcatraz

      We have young prospects that should be in the NHL but we dont have room for them. Murray is an honest and noble person, and he will not hold back young development for our own selfish sakes

      That being said if he can find a team willing to give Hoffman/Peterson/Stone etc a full time role he will make the trade. We have great drafting and thats what allows us to do so

      And I doubt he would give up solid players for rental. I don’t think he ever mentioned the word rental

    • Hax

      I’m a pretty big Alfie fan (still) but I don’t think he’s the guy we need. This season is too early to “make a run” and Alfie – though I love the guy – is near the end of his career. We needed a season at least to transition from “Alfie’s team” to Spezza’s team and now that that transition is all but done we’re ready to move on.

      I don’t know how much cheapness on Melnyk’s part played into Alfie’s leaving but I think it was the right time to move on anyway.

      • The Apostle

        Agreed. The will he/won’t he talk at the end of each season was getting tiring anyway. We were never going to be able to be that “different” ream with Alfie around. Certain decisions could never be made with him still here.

        As much as I liked and respected the guy I’m glad he has gone and feel we are a better team with Ryan and MacArthur than we would have been with Alfie and Silfverberg.

        I just wish the final few days could have seen more grace – from both sides.

        • Yukon Cornelius

          Alfie produced for the Sens in the past.
          Silf will/may produce in the future.
          Ryan and MacArthur are producing right now. As difficult as this was at first I think it was the right choice.

  • Alcatraz

    So new coach in winnipeg…Too early to start up the E. Kane rumors again hahaha

    • The Apostle

      Too late. TSN is already saying he is being shopped.

      • Luc Wolfe

        His value is overrated in NHL 14.

  • A-Train

    So let’s start the speculation. Murray’s willing to trade prospects for a veteran top 6 forward who could help us win in the next two years.

    Players I think he would likely target and actually might be available: Andrew Ladd, Mike Cammalleri or maybe Michael Ryder.

    Ladd and Cammalleri have some form of NTC but they’re the type of guys I’d see Murray thinking about.

    • Luc Wolfe

      Ryder, god I don’t want him. Cammalleri is having concussion symptoms

      • MethotToMyMadness

        Ryder, has produced in his last few seasons around the league. As much as I’ve not been a fan, when he’s put on the top two lines, he’s getting points. At 3.5 M, that’s worth while.

        2008-09 Bruins, 74 GP, 53 PTS.
        2009-10 Bruins, 82 GP, 33 PTS.
        2010-11 Bruins, 79 GP, 41 PTS
        2011-12 Stars, 82 GP, 62 PTS
        2012-13 Stars, 19 GP, 14 PTS
        2012-13 Habs, 27 GP, 21 PTS
        2013-14 Devils, 46 GP, 23 PTS

    • Jacques

      Ryder he sucks big time!

      • A-Train

        16G this season, making 3.5M signed through the end of next. Not my favourite player either. Not my favourite forward in the league, but might help us in this two year window.

    • Alcatraz

      Ladd would be great but isn’t he the identity of the new winnipeg jets?

      I could also see Murray targeting Moulson, M.Foligno, Hemsky, B.Richards, Jagr, Fleischman, Setogucci and Glencross

      • A-Train

        Yes, definitely put Jagr on that list. Ladd may be the least likely in the group I’ve mentioned but the Jets are floundering and might like a new start.

      • CUP 2014-15

        If Marcus Foligno was available I would like for that trade no question, nice job pulling him out Alcatraz, would not have thought of him.

    • CUP 2014-15

      Like most I would like Ladd but then again he will cost more in a trade. Ryder has shown he can do the job and would look good with Spezz and Stone. Like your picks. I wonder what it would take to get Nino out of Minni. Not that he solves all but the kid can play and is a little on the chippie side. I would like him with ZBad and CC with MM dropping back with Spezz and Stone. I think we could do well dealing with them and they do have other pieces that could work.

      • A-Train

        I like Nino too but just interpreting what I heard from Murray today he doesn’t seem like what they are really going for. They want a veteran forward who can help lead a playoff run in the short-mid term.

        • CUP 2014-15

          Agreed and like I said he doesn’t solve it all but he’s going to be a real good one and with a more offensive minded team like the Sens it would be interesting to see what he could do.

    • Zelle

      I liked Cammalleri in Montreal but his last season there and now in Calgary he just doesn’t seem to have that drive or leadership spark anymore.

  • WolfInSheepsClothes

    #bringbackfisher

    Play him on the right wing with Spezza

    • Luc Wolfe

      maybe next year when its his last year.

    • Yukon Cornelius

      This is a really interesting thought. The broadcasters were talking about the prospect of Fisher retiring after next year, and if Nashville isn’t in the playoff picture his ties to the town may bring him back (via trade) in search of a cup.

      Not sure what Fisher would catch in a trade but his physical style of play would be great for the playoffs. Not to mention the sentimental value of it all.

    • sprucesens

      yeah, I mentioned this a couple days back. He was my favorite sen for the longest time. I think he would look amazing on zib’s wing. We have tons of money/room for him if we wanted. But its not gonna happen.

      • Sensnation

        Fisher is a C, Zib would end up on the wing. Fisher would be wasted as a winger.

        • sprucesens

          I know he’s a C. Ideally we could use him as a 3rd C. But we have turris, spezza and zib is excelling at C. Smith won’t ever be moved because of PMac’s man crush on him. We are starting to get better with 3 scoring lines. Hell, if you get Fisher as a 4th C, we’d be incredible. Pipe dreams obviously. But I think fisher would translate just fine as a winger. he plays hard along the boards and can barely be knocked off the puck. Either way, no point in debating it. Its not going to happen

          • Sensnation

            My thought would be if Lazar is coming next year and staying at C, Zibanejad is moving to wing at some point anyways, unless Spezza isn’t staying. But ya pipe dreams I guess, but at least we had all those great years with Fisher!

      • WolfInSheepsClothes

        It’s not completely out of the question.

        Word is he’s debating retiring at the end of next season. This season is a write off for Nashville as Rinne is still out due to injury and they are falling fast in the west (10pts out, I believe). It wouldn’t take much to bring him back (I’m sure he’d waive to come to Ottawa and finish his career where it started) as he’d only be a 1 year rental.

        Now, if we’re in to day dreaming…. Imagine bringing Fisher AND Ladd in!!

        Grizz-Turris-Ryan
        Ladd-Spezza-Fisher
        CC89-Zib-9MM
        Greening-Smith-Neil

        Booyah! That’s a stacked forward line-up!

  • Senatollah

    Chirp – do you know if Chris Phillips provided the Sens with his list of 10 team-no-trade list?

    • Luc Wolfe

      Don’t think hes going anywhere, I could be wrong. He should be sens 6th defensemen.

      • WolfInSheepsClothes

        Agreed. He is still valuable to us and is much better than most people on this board give him credit for. There’s a reason why the coach/gm and the media sing his praises. He’s a great 6th D this year and would be a valuable 6th/7th over the next couple of years (should we re-sign him).

        • Luc Wolfe

          but i think I wouldnt go more then 2.5 mil

          • CUP 2014-15

            Agreed, I think CP gets a bad rap on here as well, even if he’s not what he was even last year. That being said, lets say he’s resigned. We will have CP CC, Karl JC, MM…PW, EG, BORO and by many reports Gleasson is ready. Just a question for anyone…which two do you move?

          • Luc Wolfe

            I think Erik Gryba and Joe Corvo, Gryba is one big guy, but we have that with Cowen and seems to have a better passing skill then EG. I thought Corvo was great in the first quarter of the season, but the last game he seemed to be lazy at some key points to the game.

          • CUP 2014-15

            Corvo is not listed above, my fault JC should read as Cowen. So would you think Gryba and PW ?

          • Luc Wolfe

            No corvo, he has a value close to the deadline where teams are missing an NHL ready dmen, PW has some potential but if a good deal needs to be done, business is business, although he’s best friend with Turris.

          • CUP 2014-15

            I thought the same thing about him and KT, I know they grew up playing together but man KT is around town a lot and you never see him with PW.

          • Luc Wolfe

            maybe PW is still in the closet (joking of course)

          • sprucesens

            my .02. I would trade someone like greening and PW to the oilers.(they have only 1 D signed for next year and need bottom 6 help like there is no tomorrow) I think PW has more trade value. He’s signed to a reasonable contract and has decent upside, but if he stays on the sens, is likely to be 3rd pairing, with ceci in the mix. Which is the foreseeable future. I think gryba fills a better shut down role on the 3rd pairing, and can hit the hardest. Right now the bottom pairing consists of all these guys in the mix next year.
            Phillips, gryba, PW, claesson, Corvo, boro
            Phillips may or may not retire. Claesson likely starts in the minors. Corvo likely not resigned. So I guess its who can be traded without hurting the team. I suppose gryba can be seen as redundant though, if the club likes boro more. So that’s something to think about too.

          • Sensnation

            I agree Ceci will be hard to ever send back down and has cemented himself in fans hearts really fast, however he’s obviously hitting a wall right now and we should be prepared for this to happen a couple times over the next year or two as he develops further. Having the depth during these times will be key to remaining competitive. Same applies to Gryba, Cowen, Wiercioch, Claesson as well.

          • The Apostle

            You don’t resign Corvo. Claesson and Borowiecki stay in Bingo based on their contract and waiver exempt status and get brought up as and when.

            Even if you resign Phillips and Gryba, you only have 7 D with the big club, one of whom, Ceci, can still be sent down – although I don’t think he’s going anywhere.

            I’m not convinced both of Gryba and Wiercioch are here next year though, if we are looking at bringing in another body via trade those would appear the two most likely to depart.

          • CUP 2014-15

            I agree with most but Corvo is not included in the list and Boro is on a one way next year.

          • Sensnation

            Boro has a cheap 1 way though, if BM had to bury it in the minors it wouldn’t mess the budget much.

          • CUP 2014-15

            See where your at with that so your the GM, Gryba or PW ? I am just trying to get a feel for what everyone thinks here at mid season. I don’t think there is a right answer today but the banter is fun.

          • Sensnation

            Hard call, if Phillips stays Wiercioch is the more needed player between those two, if Phillips moves on we keep both imo. Wiercioch would seem to have the most trade value as compared to Gryba though.

          • CUP 2014-15

            Hard to argue with that.

          • bishbosh

            Boro is one-way but he’s still waiver exempt.

  • aegiszx

    Good news on Murray staying on with the Sens!!

    He’s done so much for this organization, I think that we’ll be in good shape for years to come. He understands prospect development, drafting, building a foundation, etc. More importantly, our “rebuild” was swift and done effectively too.

  • aegiszx

    It’s often overlooked, but one of the things I love about HOW we rebuilt is the fact that Murray kept key veteran players. Too many times fans want to ice a team of AHLers/Rookies because we get far too excited about the prospects… Well take a look at Edmonton. Yeah they have a ton of studs, but unfortunately NO guidance whatsoever. That’s a team of individuals, a team that has no idea how to win (with the exception of their captain). Having Alfie, Phillips, Spezza, Neil, and Gonchar around really helped guys like Karlsson, and Turris find their groove in the NHL and on this team.

    • Hax

      Agreed. If you look at everything on paper there were very few missteps in the whole process. And really, even if he had an unlimited budget I don’t think much would have changed other than maybe adding a UFA or two – but even that would have meant less ice time for younger guys who clearly benefited from it (Ceci, Zibanejad etc).

    • Sensnation

      Agreed! Even in the case of Gonchar who I disliked so much, their been there done that experience has really helped our young guys mature faster than normal.

      • aegiszx

        You know, Gonchar may not have been a stud on the ice all the time, but what he, Alfie, & Kuba did to mentor Karlsson, just great… He’s a real experienced vet, and guys like Malkin (who he is best friends with), and Nichushkin have blossomed thanks in part to his mentorship. That’s just a perfect example of Murray bringing in the right guy, at the right time (including Turris, and Bishop).

        • Sensnation

          Sadly though Karlsson plays D like Kuba and Gonchar combined. He was much better in his Norris season imo, this season he just floats so often.

          • Hax

            Karlsson’s play in his own end is only limited by where his attention is. Kuba was mediocre at best even when he tried to shut guys down. Gonchar was better than Kuba but has lost a step or two. Karlsson – when he needs/wants to be – is 10x better than either one.

            He’s still trying to find that balance between playing D and chipping in offensively. I think he’ll end up being one the guys that’s always on the ice in close games – defending a lead or trying to tie a game.

          • Sensnation

            Oh I agree, I wasn’t knocking his ability, more his urgency, it’s lacking this year in the defensive zone about 50% of the time. When it’s there, he’s still really good!

          • SuperSENS

            I’m sure that will come with even more experience.

    • sprucesens

      true, but the oilers never traded anyone for picks. they just started sucking, and haven’t looked back since. They finally unloaded horcoff. And they still have hemsky! Also, they have nobodies on D, and ?s in goal. Its a recipe for disaster. And as of now, it looks no better for them, as outside of nurse, they have no prospects to get excited about. They don’t even have other players they could put on the back end, waiting in the AHL. That’s basically what they did this year, and found out that, yup, they all suck like they thought they would.
      We on the other hand, gathered top picks for good players. Did so, all in one year. Aquired mismanaged or underused players for a very good value at key times. Turris and bishop. That’s why our rebuild is much better. Even guys like gryba and PW would instantly be the top of the prospects on D in Edmonton. That’s how poorly run they are

  • MethotToMyMadness

    After reading the report from BM looking for a scoring or tough forward, let the trade speculation begin. So he says he’s not moving Lazar, which is a good sign. But that means almost everyone else is up for grabs. Considering guys like Ceci and Zbad are already playing, and doing well, who from Bingo would available and who would be considered somewhat untouchable?

    I guess it comes down to who is on the market and who Ottawa is after. I can’t see NJ moving Jagr or Ryder, only because they are the two of the 4 most producing players and they aren’t out of the playoff picture. Calgary will be one of the most obvious trade partners, and they would take prospects for the rebuild. Cammalleri and Stajan are already considered trade bad, but I think Glencorsss would be the best fit for Ottawa going forward. Cam is also now injured.

    I like the idea of Ladd, he’s the perfect fit here, but a hard figure to pull from that roster. There has been some speculation that Pitts would be after Wheeler, for a Defensive prospect in return. If Wheeler was available, I would love to see him in Ottawa. Big body, hard to play against and would be a great compliment to Spezza. But it’s a hefty price tag. But I say that thinking EM has finally agreed to open the purse.

    • sprucesens

      my targets there are, cammalleri, although I haven’t paid attention to him as much the last year or 2. Ladd, wheeler kane are all great, but pricey. I hope we are more in the mind set to aquire some mid level picks for under performing players in the bottom 6, so the young guys can move up, like stone. Unless we do a big trade for the winnipeggers

      • Sensnation

        NO! Cammalleri is a locker room time bomb. Stay away at all costs!

    • A-Train

      I just don’t think the Senators have the assets to deal with Winnipeg right now — or at least ones the team would be willing to part with.

      If the Jets blow it up they’ll want first round picks or recently drafted top 20 prospects. Or Lehner or Anderson. We don’t have a first this year, Murray’s ruled out trading Lazar and Ceci is starting to look essential. Trading either Lehner or Anderson doesn’t make sense if the plan is to contend in the next two years.

      Even if we packaged up the best of the rest I don’t think it’d be enough to pry Ladd or Kane out of Winnipeg.

      • Hax

        I actually think that if we’re going to “make a run” then at some point we have to deal Anderson and let Lehner take over. Or (less appealing option IMO) move Lehner and put our eggs in Andy’s basket.

        I’d love to keep both but really to add a F/D to the mix of any consequence we’d have to be open to moving one of these guys.

        • A-Train

          Tough call. If you are talking about a run of any significance this season or next season, having an Anderson/Lehner tandem is probably a better option than what either would realistically get you in return.

          Beyond that, you’re dealing Anderson in the hope that Lehner fulfills his potential AND gets you to the promised land on his first or second run through the NHL playoffs.

          • Hax

            Yeah ideally we’d have both for the playoffs since Lehner could struggle I guess. But I think to make a run we’d need to gamble a bit on Lehner carrying the ball and get what we can for Anderson. But yeah it would depend on what you could get back for Andy and on how badly we’d need whatever that return is (i.e. if our D are all playing well there’s less need to try and get a top four).

  • Luc Wolfe

    Do you think Bryan Murray extension comes prior before a big move or a move in the making. Or just to keep us shut for a while and continue to do nothing.

    • Hax

      Well every GM in the league is “doing nothing” lately. There’s not a huge trade market right now as teams analyze the new playoff format and when they can determine if they’re buying or selling.

      I think the extension timing is all about Tim Murray moving on and taking care of BM at the same time that they promote to fill the AGM spot. Not likely related to any trades or lack thereof.

      • Hax

        Having said that, Murray’s history is to get his trades done a bit earlier than later (partly because his trades are typically more “hockey trades” than lopsided deadline deals). So while I still don’t think any trades were waiting for BM to extend, he might have a bit more jump to the phones after inking an extension.

        • Sensnation

          Agreed Hax, I’ve always been a fan of how Murray tries to get his done a bit earlier to avoid the bidding wars.

    • Sensnation

      Keep us shut until closer to the deadline. Not that they aren’t working on it, just most trades don’t happen in Jan as every GM thinks he can still get a better offer as the deadline approaches.

  • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

    Lets go and get E Kane out of Winnipeg…then my two main targets from the Nash sweepstakes will have materialized!

    • Hax

      I could get behind a trade for Kane. Assuming the cost isn’t crazy, both in terms of who/what goes the other way and in terms of any impact on decisions on resigning other guys. But if we could essentially get Kane for some prospects and role players I’d be thrilled. Or heck, Anderson??

      • Sensnation

        How about Eberle+ for Anderson + Wiercioch? If Anderson’s on the table I would think we could get a good winger from a couple teams. On the fence if I’d prefer Eberle or Kane. Eberle is going to be a better leader, but Kane has the chance to be a franchise cornerstone.

        • sprucesens

          both are fantastic. and both are plausible since its in the west. And both have something we want. and we have something they want. Oilers need D and goaltending bad. The peg needs a goalie and maybe some top prospects at the forward ranks. We need D and a scoring forward for the future. I’d love either scenario

        • Hax

          I’m not as high on Eberle as I am on Kane but I haven’t watched either of them play enough to really know.

          I still think any Anderson trade should happen AFTER we ink Lehner to an extension though. Otherwise I worry that his agent will hold us hostage. So that would mean over the summer at the earliest.

        • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

          I wouldn’t be upset to get either player… Eberle I think may be a safer, and possibly more likely target. .. But Kane has the potential to be a Turris trade 2.0

        • Jacques

          I don’t a goalie will get you Eberle. Spezza might.

    • Sandy

      Would Kane disrupt the chemistry ‘in the room’. Is this guy a good ‘team player’? That’s the questions I would want answered before I make a move for him.. if I’m Bryan Murray..
      He is really talented.. but he has his issues…

  • Sensnation

    The CORE is in place! So what does this mean, who do you all think are the core of this team going forward (next 2-3yrs)?

    ?-Spezza-Stone
    McArthur-Turris-Ryan
    Greening-Lazar-Zibanejad
    Condra-Smith-Neil
    Pageau-Puempel

    Cowen-Karlsson
    Methot-Ceci
    (Phillips)-Wiercioch
    Gryba-Claesson

    Anderson-Lehner-

    I guess that ? is what BM was talking about needing in a scoring/physical veteran.

    • Zelle

      No Borocop?

      • Sensnation

        Unless there’s a trade, he’s behind all the others listed in skill.

        • Hax

          I think Boro is ahead of Gryba. Just that he’s left-handed. Though they’re both in the same “tier”. I think I’d want Phillips around (otherwise we’re VERY VERY young) so wondering if we’re sort of stuck having to move a guy out (or two-for-one trade etc).

          I know Murray sort of said Ceci’s play has reduced his need for a PMD, but maybe we still should be looking for a Methot-type of guy with two of our lesser D going the other way.

          • Sensnation

            Boro is all hard work, low skill. He’ll stand up for his team anytime, but he’s really just a better skilled, worse fighter, than Carkner. Gryba has the potential to be a consistent 5-6th dman type, Boro is a 6/7 at best. I know it’s splitting hairs, just where I see them I guess.

            If they can move 2 out for 1 d, I’m all for Boro though, don’t get me wrong.

          • Hax

            Have you seen both play a lot in Bingo? (Not asking to be a dick.)

            As I remember from last year, Gryba got the call up almost solely based on being right-handed but Boro was playing much better. Things could have changed of course.

            I like Gryba and could live with him in the third pairing but Boro seems to be a bit more comfortable with the puck – and both are more comfortable with the puck than Carkner was.

          • Sensnation

            I’ve seen some Bingo, wouldn’t say a lot. Watched both closely during their past callups though. Boro is definitely more mature/comfortable on the ice, I don’t disagree with that at all.

          • Jacques

            I don’t think you were watching bingo last year! Gryba was left behind at the camp and carried bingo on his back, he was a plus 30 at one point. I watched the games and he was by far the best d man there. Sorry to say but Boro is nowhere as talented as Gryba.

          • Hax

            Hmm okay. I’m pretty much basing my opinion on when Gryba was called up last year. I thought a lot of Bingo fans were saying Boro should have been the guy and that Gryba only got the call because he was right-handed.

            Anyway, I like them both but trust Murray, Dorion and Lee to know if one (or both) should be traded.

  • MethotToMyMadness

    Ok, so I haven’t read Eklund in forever (sorry for bringing up his name here Chirp), but he’s posting crap about the Penguins scouting Bobby Ryan, which he say’s.. According to a source, he’s a player they really like and have been scouting, but the price would be high.

    You can’t believe anything he writes. I just can’t see BM willing to move Ryan, who they just paid a hefty price to obtain, unless there is something really wacky going on behind the scenes and the return was outstanding. And in the end, even if it was a 1st round pick and extra’s, Pitt’s 1st would be almost end of the 1st round.

    • Sensnation

      Eklund makes Garrioch look knowledgeable!

      • SuperSENS

        So true.

    • Alcatraz

      lol
      thats a pretty good laugh. Sure send us Neal and Pouliott

    • Hax

      Murray would have to hit a grand-slam homerun on any trade involving Ryan. And it would essentially have to be a 5-run homerun if he were to trade him within the conference (to extend the analogy). So I really can’t see it happening. I’m sure Murray will listen to offers but if they’re not the type of offers that would start riots in Pittsburgh I can’t see it going beyond that.

    • MethotToMyMadness

      It just makes no sense. Unless the deal was SO good you couldn’t refuse. But who in hell would be worth it? And no Neal, as good as he is, he’s always injured.

    • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

      Judging by the coyness and sorta tongue in cheek way Murray was chatting to me I honestly can not see a situation where he moves Ryan. Especially considering the chemistry of that line… Speaking of that line, do we resign MacArthur after this year? I’d hate to break that trio up… I suppose that could also be the reasoning behind the sudden implications of trade talks.. . Maybe we will finally see that q4q we have all speculated about.

      • Hax

        CMac has another year after this one, so no rush. But yeah I can easily see us resigning him if he’s not looking to be overpaid on the UFA market.

        • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

          Shit we have him for two years!!!!!

          Goddamn I thought he might be a one off! This news just somewhat made my day

    • peetypuck

      Ignore anything and everything that comes from Ekland. I don’t go near his website.

    • Sandy

      Their GM didn’t think enough of Ryan on Team USA… Why would he trade for him? It just makes no sense.

  • Zelle

    Argh I’m bored, gimme some Sens action!

  • TookieIs100PercentRight

    Meh about Murray sticking around but FINALLY about making the Cup and playoff contention an issue. This team has been rebuilding for way too long (or at least it’s FELT like it) and it’s about damned time this team be judged on its ability to win in the post- season, which is ALL that matters!

    • boom

      They missed the playoffs 3 years ago, which is the year thet started the rebuild.

      They lost in the 1st round the next year (year 1 of the rebuild) and lost in the 2nd round last year (year 2 of the rebuild)

      This is year 3 – I think they are doing pretty well.

      How long have the leafs been rebuilding? The jets, oilers?

      Give your head a shake.

      • SuperSENS

        Precisely. All things considered, this team is doing well. I think expectations were unreasonably raised due to the sports article claiming we were Cup contenders before the start of the season and the unexpected playoff appearances the last two seasons.

    • Hax

      It’s felt like too long for hyper-attentive fans like most of us, but really (as boom points out) it’s actually been super quick. Though I will say the quickest part was the “bottom out” that really barely happened. Being a top 5 team next year would be way ahead of schedule though to expect that we’re pretty much a lock for the playoffs after 3 years of rebuilding isn’t that out of line.

  • Tim

    Lawson hurt not sure the extent down here.
    And not sure if the “armchair” GMs here want to read into this but, I rode the elevator at the arena with a few gentleman from the Oiler’s organization Saturday night.

    • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

      Interesting

      • peetypuck

        Very interesting.

        • Zelle

          Super interesting.

    • Hax

      Oiler guys in Bingo? Cool. Not sure what Philly’s farm system is like or if they might be scouting them, but Ottawa’s boys seem to make more sense.

      • FistsofNeil25

        I’ve seen rumors linking the Oilers to both the Sens and Flyers over the last few weeks. Could be there scouting both teams?

        The Flyers and Oilers have been rumored to be discussing an Eberle trade for a while. Who knows.

    • Sensnation

      Every time Oilers scouts are confirmed I cringe at the thought of us ending up with Hemsky and then him getting injured on his first shift.

    • Hax

      Hey Tom – any chance you could post your thoughts on the Bingo blueline? Hearing that Claesson is really standing out lately. Also wondering how Borowiecki looks lately.

      • Tim

        Claesson has been the most consistent guy this year. He has added offense this year. Really plays that Swedish “error” free type defense with a little bit of an edge. Boro has been getting beat up a little bit recently with some hard knocks coming his way.

        • Hax

          Thanks Tim (not Tom – sorry).

    • CUP 2014-15

      very interesting considering Edmonton’s concern is their blueline.

  • FistsofNeil25

    I’m ecstatic about the Murray extension and Dorion + Lee promotions. I think these are the right people to try and bring a championship to Ottawa. There’s only so much we can expect from management though if Melnyk isn’t willing to spend. There have obviously been some encouraging reports today that indicate that Melnyk is willing to loosen the purse strings in the next couple seasons so management can go “all in.” As far as these reports go, I’ll believe it when I see it.

  • 101011011010101010111111111111

    A fun board today

    Lots of solid hockey opinions and counter opinions without the
    pissing contest crap

    I wonder why it’s different today – oh yeah – SOMEBODY is not here

  • SensChirp

    Melnyk coming up on TSN 1200.

    • sprucesens

      interesting. hopefully he says that he has agreed with murray to start making a more aggressive push for the post season. Not throw away all the prospects and picks for rentals and such, but clear out some bodies and maybe a q4q trade. Hopefully he basically just remove’s murray’s handcuff’s and let him work his magic

      • Sensnation

        The way Murray and Melnyk talk sounds like they both expect to make the SC push during these next 2.5 years!

        • SensChirp

          That was what I heard this morning but Melnyk seemed to paint a slightly different picture on the radio this afternoon. At this point, talk is all well in good but we’ll see if that translates into action.

          • SuperSENS

            We’ll see action in due time, I’m sure.

    • Sensnation

      He’s doing a good “getting my ducks in a row financially” speech so far.

  • Peluso

    I think if I were the owner of this team, and there were empty seats every game, and I was losing tonnes of money, I’d still spend to the cap. There’s no question.

    • peetypuck

      Sold.

      • Peluso

        I mean, Melnyk must get loads of money right around tax rebate time (right before the playoffs) due to the fact that he’s running a charitable organization right? Who the fack cares if the cheapest CDN NHL ticket still doesn’t sell out the barn – fuckin spend to the CAP asshole!

        • peetypuck

          I could see him not spending to the cap during the rebuild but if BM can get an impact forward now, Melnyk needs to open the change purse to move the team to another level. A great Sens team should convert some of those Leaf fans living in Ottawa, especially the kids. They’ve got to be getting tired of cheering on the Laffs after ten years of losing.

  • runningbear1974

    I’m really happy with Dorion and Lee… I think Dorion is a gem, and we’re lucky to have him… Lee has worked his way up (reward those who work hard and earn it)… Perfect plan for small market team… Put your eggs in drafting and developing…
    I was a little scared of Tim Murray becoming the GM… There was some little things that i didn’t like… Some comments made during the Cowen negotiation, and during his Buffalo press… I wish him the best, and i’ll think he’ll be solid for buffalo…

    • SuperSENS

      I think some fans read a bit more into his comments during the Buffalo press conference than what was actually said. Anyways, I wish Tim Murray the best of luck in his new position with the Sabres.

      • runningbear1974

        My issue with him in the Buffalo press conference is that he wasn’t answering the questions… He might have been nervous, first time with that much responsibility, and put on the spot… But, when asked why it was a good fit for him, his answer was that it was a good fit… He didn’t answer why… I’m a bit nitpicky… Anyway I do wish him the best, but not too much…

        • SuperSENS

          Yeah, he’s not the most articulate fellow for sure. He almost seemed fed up with the media by the end of the Buffalo press conference. But he’ll make a hell of a GM, IMO.

          Also, my apologies. I thought maybe you were upset about his comment on having ownership spend money when the time is right, since some people took it to mean that he was making a subtle jab at his former employer.

  • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

    I’ve got a sinking suspicion something fairly big is going to go down before the weekend.

    • SensChirp

      A whole lot of posturing today. From my experience, the times Murray usually strikes is when he’s most quiet. We’ll see if they’re using a different approach this time around.

    • SuperSENS

      I’d expect something a bit closer to the trade deadline as that seems to be when he likes to make trades; of course, that’s just my opinion, so take it with a grain of salt.

  • NickofTime

    Based on BM’s comments regarding trades it seem he is looking to deal a young guy or two, maybe even quantity for quality. IMO they really only need one goal scoring winger & there could be a few available, the only real issue is if they are willing to take what we are willing to trade to get that forward. My guess is that Condra, Corvo, SDC, JOB, Petersson & maybe Puempel could be the piece(s) BM is willing to deal. Not sure what any of those guys could get us but it should be interesting to watch..

  • Andrews theory

    Playing the trade game, what about Wiercoch, Gryba plus ? for Eberle?

    Wire has been passed by Ceci and Gryba can be filled by Boro or Claeson

    • Deadly

      Does it feel that they are looking for a more experience player than Eberle?

    • SensChirp

      That call does not get returned. A couple healthy scratches for Eberle is not going to happen, despite the Oilers defensive shortcomings.

    • SenaTHOR

      Good luck, neither of them play regularly. I can’t see any team offering a bag of pucks if they aren’t good enough to play on a 19th place team. Not that I don’t like them they just have been devalued this year. If you devalue them don’t expect anything in return.

      • Andrews theory

        BM said he’d be looking to move guys that are in a log jam for ice time. Further to that, Edmonton has arguably the shitiest defense in the NHL
        Clearly something else would be required there but both guys are young with upside and have some experience under their belt

        • SenaTHOR

          You aren’t going to get much.

    • sprucesens

      if it was those 2 going to edmonton for ebs, there would be 2 1sts attatched

  • Richard Gough

    I would like to see Murray make a pitch for Simmonds or Schenn

    • Andrews theory

      Simmons would be awesome but Philly would be stupid to move him for anything less than a cornerstone peice which we won’t be offering

      • Richard Gough

        purmple and somthing else for Simmonds

  • Jacques

    Sens are interested in Evander Kane and Lehner and Stone would be part of the package. Sens are really high on Driedger as the goalie of the future.

    • Deadly

      Don’t really see Kane as a good team guy.

    • Richard Gough

      I wouldn’t move Lehner
      Where did up hear that ?

    • sprucesens

      i doubt they are that high on dreidger. he hasn’t even got a season as a pro yet. They might like him 6-7 years from now. But now is lehner’s time. If they didn’t believe in lehner, they wouldn’t have traded bishop. I could see anderson and stone getting the ball rolling. maybe a swap of picks and that could get it done

      • Doc

        Yeah agreed, that just nonsense. They’ve been grooming Lehner for years and suddenly they’ll give up on him because we drafted a few goalies in the last few drafts? Not one of them have a pro season under their belt… Makes perfect sense…

    • Richard Gough

      Here you you go what about this
      Trade Spezza to Columbus for R Johansson and a 2nd take that 2nd
      Package it up with Puemple and send to the jets for Ladd /3rd

      Ladd /Johansson / Stone

      • SuperSENS

        It’s definitely not happening in regards to trading Spezza.

    • Andrews theory

      So we just gave up bishop and now we’ll also give up Lehner? I don’t think so

      • SuperSENS

        Precisely; especially considering that all indications point to the fact the organization considers Lehner to be the future #1 goaltender for the team.

    • Doc

      In regards to Lehner, I’m not sure where you get your info but that can’t be further from the truth.

    • SuperSENS

      Jacques, don’t post your speculation as if it were fact when it’s clearly not.

  • SenaTHOR

    When a team has a reputation of being on a budget nobody really wants to go there. Its a recipe to lose and players prefer to be on a winning team. We are playing OK and in 19th place, just out of the bottom third. One player isn’t going to make us a top third team.

    • Deadly

      It has taken the first half to get to the bottom,but the last few weeks I think we have played very well against good competition and got back into contention.
      Who are we and what do we need ?

  • Jacques

    On a couple of rumor sites , Sens have lots of goalie prospects. Murray even mentioned it today to lessen the blow. Driedger, Brassard,Hogberg. If Andy is going to play 65-70 games , why not. Lehner in a package can get you a Kane or Eberle.

    • Richard Gough

      I would take Ladd over Kane any day of the week

      • Jacques

        Not me! Give me Kane and Mac will turn him into a beast. Ladd nowhere near as good.

        • Richard Gough

          Ladd had heart and leadership witch will help get Spezza play a lot better

          Ladd /Spezza/ Stone

          • Deadly

            Wow he is that good?

          • Jacques

            He’s seeing double.

          • Jacques

            A 50 million volt battery won’t get Spezza going, his ship has sailed, he’s damaged goods. Ifthey want a cup in two years Spezz will be moved elsewhere. I see two trades coming.

    • Aaron 2.0

      God no! Hands off Lehner.

      • Jacques

        Relax, if that trade would go off you’d bethe first guy doing cart wheels.

        • Aaron 2.0

          He’s my favorite prospect in our system. I love Andy. He’s been great in general in Ottawa. But, I don’t see him here long-term.

          • Jacques

            Go find footage of Chris Driedger , Lehner has shown some chinks in his armour. Love the guy but if he gets you a Kane or Eberle would be worth it.

          • SenaTHOR

            Remember he’s playing against Jr players where 95% will never see the NHL.

          • Jacques

            I understand but from what I’ve seen andread about the guy he’s probably the best goalie in the WHL. Plays a very controlled game like Carey Price.

          • sprucesens

            and that’s fantastic. The timing of him coming into the nhl will be abotu the time lehner has had 3-5 years and we’ll know exactly what we have with him. We aren’t bringing up a promising goalie in dreidger any time soon. He’ll go through the same process lehner did

          • Jacques

            Andy still has 4-5 good years ahead of him.

          • Jacques

            You can get a good back-up, hey you have to give something good to get something good.

          • sprucesens

            fully agree. But i’m thinking lehner is untouchable. There isn’t another goalie in the league right now that i would trade for, over him right now. When we had bishop, it was maybe a farfetched option, but not now. A few other unproven guys like gibson or campbell are close. But they are in the same boat as lehner, except lehner has already posted above average SV% in the NHL, with below average line mates in front of him(last year), and poor defensive play this year.

          • Aaron 2.0

            This is a key point I think (SV% w/ sub-par defense). Lehner is a very structurally sound goal-tender. If you put an equally sound defense core in front of him, he’ll be huge. He wasn’t getting earlier this year when he was getting games.

          • Aaron 2.0

            I guess I’ll very respectfully agree to disagree w/ you on this one. I suppose if you had to protect your 3-5 very best players, Lehner doesn’t make too many of our lists today (in other words, I guess he is technically trade-able). I’ve always thought of him as a part of the long-term plan though. And, goal-scoring isn’t the issue on this team. I’m an optimistic guy. I know we’re on a nice point streak. But, I wouldn’t start selling now for short-term gains.

          • sprucesens

            i love eberle and kane also. They would be my 2 most coveted players regardless of being available, like they apparently are now. But to trade lehner for either of them is ludicrous. The oilers have eberle, and they are 2nd last, and might finish last, for the umpteenth time. Winnipeg has had kane as player the fans love/hate. They love his on ice play, but hate his attitude.

            Lehner is a guy that wants to be in ottawa, and has the drive to win. He has paid his dues to be a starter here for the forseeable future. I have as much of a mancrush on getting ebs or kane on the sens as you do, but we have to keep lehner. If anderson goes, thats fine, but lehner is not available.

          • SenaTHOR

            Regarding Eberle do we need another perpetual minus player?

          • sprucesens

            that’s the oiler’s effect. i wouldn’t worry about that

          • Jacques

            They would settled Kane down in Ottawa, he would explode like Seguin is this year.

          • sprucesens

            like i said, i’d love to have kane on the team. I can’t see how our coaches would “settle him down” any different than any other team in the league. I personally don’t think he’s got a bad attitude. But it seems to be his rep, and that money has maybe gone a little bit to his head.

            But i still wouldn’t trade lehner for him. Puemple, anderson and a 2nd(1st if we had it) sure. few other prospects you could include, instead of puemple, not named lazar.

          • Zelle

            Didn’t Turris also have the same reputation as Kane? He’s a big team player now.

          • Doc

            So you’re putting Driedger ahead of Lehner? Good, now I know not to take you seriously anymore.

      • Jacques

        Have you ever seen Driedger in action, very solid. One on one tough to beat. Love Lehner but he’s a pylon in a shootout.

        • Aaron 2.0

          He hasn’t played many games in the NHL, and admits that the SO gives him problems w/ the change of pace, compared to breakaways in games. I don’t think you bail on him bc he’s struggled early in his carrer in SO. And, when the OT structure changes (GMs seem intent on this happening) there will be less SO.

          • Jacques

            He’s a good goalie, not as confidant that he’s a number one. Anyhow thethreeyoung guys we have coming are all equally as impressive as Lehner.

        • sprucesens

          shootouts don’t win you playoff rounds.

          • Deadly

            Developing goalies takes time.AHL cup winning goalies don’t grow on trees. We have one and we should keep him.

          • Jacques

            Thére’s an AHL cup winning goalie every year I’m willing to bet??

          • Deadly

            100 percent right , but never one that was in our system before Lehner.

          • Jacques

            No but that shootout against Buffalo exposed some serious weaknesses.

        • Deadly

          Trade Lehner and we are one “chicken cutting incident” away from big trouble…

  • SenaTHOR

    Are we still rebuilding or going for the cup?

    • Jacques

      A Kane or Eberle plus a good d-man and this team can win the cup! Seriously.

      • sprucesens

        again, i love both those players, but eberle hasn’t even been in the nhl playoffs. Kane has been once i believe. I like the enthusiasm, but lets not go overboard

    • Deadly

      Hopefully we are close..
      Goaltending ..check
      Forwards…probably one or two spots to fill.
      Defence…one or two
      Some might be internal promotions and a couple from trades.

    • Rebel Held Suburb

      yes

    • Aaron 2.0

      That’s an interesting question that will get many very different opinions, i’m sure. IMO, we’re still building. Let’s not go crazy, and stick w/ the plan, one that brings continued success long term, primarily by building through the draft.

      • SenaTHOR

        Sad we win a few games and we are cup bound!

        • Aaron 2.0

          That would be my concern. I’m happy we’re on a streak. I’m happy we are back in the playoff race. I’m happy the hurricanes lost to the flames tonight. But, we’re still in a huge heap of teams with mediocre records, in a mediocre conference. The playoffs are not a guarantee (although i’m optimistic). And, our record against the teams we would actually consider elite is certainly not a winning one. I’ll enjoy what we are doing now. But, you’re never as good as you look when you’re winning or as bad as you look when you’re losing. Let’s not start planning any parades…

          • SensChirp

            I’m a little concerned that the timing seems to align with the upcoming season ticket holder renewals. That said, I do believe Murray has the green light to add “a” piece to the current line up.

        • Jacques

          Why would they come out today saying they are all in, ready to go for it in the next two years?… Trying to get Bobby primed for a summer extension???

          • Aaron 2.0

            P.R.

          • Jacques

            Something’s up, must be a big trade on the slow burner.

          • Aaron 2.0

            I guess time will tell. I trust Murray. I don’t mind giving up good pieces to bring in a good young player who fits into a long-term plan. But, I think it has to be proceed w/ extreme caution @ this point. I’d love another legitimate top-4 D!

    • esk

      we are in a transition period from rebuilding to going for the cup…doing it cautiously so you wont see a spending spree during this time…maybe year 2 of murrays contract..depends where we are at….i think eugene + murray are doing an excellent job from a strategy + business perspective…long-term this approach is way better for the sens. PPL that hate have no clue whats going on

    • Sensnation

      This year is the the last of the rebuild. Starting next fall we are going for the cup for the next 2 years+.

  • Richard Gough

    Murray needs to pull off a three -way deal with Winnipeg and Columbus
    Witch help lock up all four lines

  • SenaTHOR

    Mendes- “That means spending more money?” Melnyk- “Well now I didn’t say that.”

    Its got to be a trade of one of the larger names.

  • sprucesens

    i’m thinking maybe a michalek, stone, PW,2nd for kane and byfuglien?

    haha, dream on brain.

  • sprucesens

    i’m thinking with murray signed, and melnyk saying he has the approval to spend, things could get fun around here. I almost enjoy trade talk as much as hockey itself! lol. I still think it’ll be a Q4Q deal, but not of huge impact. Something like a condra and PW for a slightly better forward and a pick maybe. Too many players on the team, and a few that won’t have a future here. Should be interesting. I bet murray is on the phone like mad in the next couple weeks.

  • Aaron 2.0

    Stoked for the game tomorrow. Minnesota will be w/out both Parise & Koivu! Yost compiled the strength of competition for each team’s remaining schedule based on FENWICK. As always is the case w/ advanced statistics, they sort of paint a picture in broad strokes; take it with a grain of salt. It looks encouraging for us. TOR, WAS, & PHI all in the top 5 for quality of competition left. We’re down @ 22. DET, CAR, NJ, & NYR all have relatively easier schedules too. Should be a fun sprint.

    http://nhlnumbers.com/2014/1/13/score-adjusted-fenwick-and-remaining-strength-of-schedule

    • SensChirp

      It’s going to come down to the wire. With so many damn three points games there really is so little room for error. Really need to limit the regulation losses down the stretch.

  • ZibbyFan

    Good news all around. With these 3 at the helm, I’m still confident they will contend — as long as EM loosens his belt a bit. And I am encouraged that they will be talking about what to do with the RFAs in Phillips & MM.

    • Alcatraz

      I’d keep both at the right price. If MM wants 4mm or less id give it to him. May seem high, but cap is going up, we need to spend, and mm is arguably one of the better forwards who would even be available. He seems to love Ottawa and he is a type of guy you can float through the lineup. Is he worth 5 or 6 mm no way. but a 3 year 10-12mm deal is fine by me

      • xN1Cx

        Completely agree!

      • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

        Hard to argue… He also hasn’t missed a tonne of time this season.

        My only concern is that he takes the place of a long term plan kinda guy who CA do just about as muchn

  • WolfInSheepsClothes

    Fantasy time!

    If we’re truly “all in” this is what I’d love to see (in a dream world….)
    (*)= UFA end of season

    Greening+Stone to BUF for Moulson*
    Weircioch+Pick to PHO for Yandle
    Cowen+Prospect to WPG for Byfuglien
    Pick to FLO for Boyes*

    Grizz-Turris-Ryan
    Moulson-Spezza-Boyes
    Conacher-Zib-MM9
    Condra-Smith-Neil

    Yandle-Karlsson
    Methot-Byfuglien
    Phillips-Ceci

    Boom!

    Have some fun and post fantasy trades!!!

    • WolfInSheepsClothes

      Who voted this down?

      Shame on you

      • Mike Bauer

        Your most likely scenario above is Pick for Boyes…all the other are wishful. If you sweetened the deal a bit on Byfuglien, then maybe.

        I think the Sens are going to target E.Kane. I really don’t know what the asking price is…cant be higher than Ryans….

        My guess is it will cost us something good though. Stone for sure and then a few other pieces.

        Im really not sure which young guys Murray thinks will fetch him that piece we need. I cannot see them trading MZ93, and they said Lazar is untouchable…

        Stone has value.
        Conacher doesn’t
        Ceci has value but I can’t see them moving him
        Boro could be moved, although I wouldn’t move him unless something came along that was too good.
        Puempel won’t fetch much

        I honestly think Zack Smith is the most likely piece to move. He is having an unreal year and with the depth a center, Lazar coming, he might be worth something, if packaged with another nice piece….

        • ghost of Moose Vasko

          Chicago used to be in love with ZS – I suspect that they still are.

    • esk

      i want evander kane

      • Luc Wolfe

        We don’t need emery v2.0

  • Mike Bauer

    I’ve said this for some time… Do I think melnyk is running low, yes. Do I think his desire to win is gone, no. I’m not sure why people thought spending to the cap when you have so many young players on the rise was smart…we barely have enough room for all these guys and I’d rather see Mark Stone be given a chance over signing some hack for 4-5mil last summer, like Ryan Clowe for example. They didn’t need to spend then, if they had signed Alfie back, there would be no discussion. I think they have a budget for now and will pull the trigger when the time is right. Which is one of the smarter business plans for a small market team that I’ve seen. No need to overspend for nothing. I wouldn’t have paid Alfie 7mil either and don’t forget that if he had chosen to negotiate with his team of 17 yrs, rather than just walk away, this whole money issue wouldn’t be anything much to be honest… Alfie would’ve been here if he truly wanted to be. Face it, he said alluded to it himself, money was a factor and he said it on 24/7, it’s hard always being “the guy”

    • boom

      “Alfie would’ve been here if he truly wanted to be”

      Exactly.

    • Doc

      I haven’t seen any Sens fans claiming that we need to “spend to the cap”. I think most just want The Euge to loosen the wallet up a bit seeing as most of our impact players are due for extensions next summer.

      Spezza, Ryan, MacArthur, Methot, Anderson. If he’s not willing to spend than expect one or two of these guys to walk.

      For me, I would stand pat for now and continue to build from within. And if an impact player becomes available for the right price then pull the trigger. Never been a fan of mortgaging the future for rentals. All this talk about contending for the Cup in the next two years scares me to no end.

      • Mike Bauer

        I agree with building from within, but at some point you do have to roll the dice a wee bit. I think when it comes time to resign, they will resign most, if not all. Remember, there is a floor that has to be spent too…and a lot of people forget about that….

        • Doc

          The cap floor will probably be our saving grace.

    • Hax

      I agree.

      If you knew nothing at all behind the scenes and looked at our team in terms of contracts etc, you’d likely come away thinking “wow, they’re positioning themselves to make a few moves here”. There’s no sense in adding a couple of high-priced UFAs before the team is ready to truly contend and in fact it hurts your ability to develop and evaluate your younger players.

      If money was no object would our team look different? Probably a little but I’m not convinced we’d be in better shape for the future. Depending on who was added, we could be better “today” and in no worse shape for the future but I hardly think any sort of “budget” is really hurting our long-term situation.

      Now, if we end up letting some solid players walk or trading away RFAs before we have to pay them THEN I would say the budget is getting in the way, but that hasn’t happened yet.

      • sprucesens

        while there is no need to spend to the cap, it was said many times that we didn’t even have room to make a trade to get better, even though it would have put us no where near the cap. Just an extra mill or 2. And that’s what people had problems with I think. At least that’s what bothered me.
        Fully agree in letting the young guys we drafted learn and play over signing someone else’s FA. That’s why we got picks instead of players when we started the rebuild. Now we have drafted all the players we will need to move forward. I think if E. Kane is available now, murray will be looking hard at this deal, similar to Ryan and Nash. Those types of players don’t become available often. Imagine next year Winnipeg is in the playoffs all year. Not a chance they would move him. So if we can get him now, at the cost of likely 3 good pieces, say. puemple, prince, pageau, basically any prospects not named lazar, then I bet they do it. It’s just a matter of how murray feels about players making our team on the long run, and what Winnipeg wants.
        I also think he looks at unloading michalek to try and get that 1st back. Might hold off though if he can’t aquire someone else to fill his shoes. As far as a vet player goes, I bet he’s looking at cammelleri closely. Either way should be fun until the Olympics.

  • MethotToMyMadness

    Big game on the board tonight, another 2 points will go a long way to helping this team build it’s chemistry. Crazy how a few wins change the entire dynamic of the club. The guys are all talking again, having fun, you can see them chirping one another on twitter. They had all went silent for awhile, when things weren’t going well. But you can see a change and it’s coming at the right time, when the wins mean the most.

    Love the trade/fantasy talk. Looking at the roster, I have to believe Smith (like someone else noted) is probably the hotter of our players that would be a target for another team. But considering how well he’s playing, could Ottawa stand to lose him? If they are planning a cup run. I’d like to see him included in what the Team considers it’s Cup running team. But I do understand we have SO many guys at C, and only so many positions to fill. Lazar would be a perfect replacement and would probably fill the role to the same level within the next year or two. It’s great knowing we have so many quality guys in our system.

    I see Ottawa trying to do what they did the year they moved Kelly and Fisher. But instead of collecting draft picks and starting a build, they’ll package up our mid level guys with some prospects for a proven top 6 forward, or 2.

  • Sandy

    Murray wants to win a Cup before he retires..
    The idea of a trade or trades is to IMPROVE the team to get them into the playoffs and win a couple of series. Trading either Andy or Lehner now will not do that.. unless Ryan Miller is coming back the other way.. and that’s not happening..
    The decisions in Bingo have to be made.. with more prospects turning pro next year from both the OHL & NCAA.
    I would love Eberle on the Sens.. but the cost to do that will be too large..
    Driedger may be a really good goalie.. but how about a couple of years pro before we determine if he can play in the AHL let alone the NHL.
    Lazar is untouchable.. any of the other prospects are not..