Murray Confirms Spezza Asked for Trade

SensChirp June 11, 2014 452
Murray Confirms Spezza Asked for Trade

It’s not exactly breaking news but to hear the General Manager say it certainly makes thing s a little more official- Jason Spezza has requested a trade.

We have been talking about this possibility since the final couple weeks of the season and today Murray made it official.  As he enters the final year of his contract, Spezza has let the team know that he would be open to playing elsewhere

This is a conversation he had with the team prior to the NHL Trade deadline.  Murray went on to talk a little bit about the market for his Captain and indicated that a number of teams have called him already. Murray indicated that he has four or five teams interested and a couple of those have shown serious interest.

On the surface this may seem like a good sign and an indication that teams are lining up for Spezza’s services but to me it sort of hints that maybe the offers aren’t where they need to be.  By suggesting that a few teams are serious in their pursuits, he is telling those other teams that have called that they better improve on their offers if they want to get something done.

Will have more on this in a little bit.

  • JayRuN

    Well things are starting to get interesting. Gonna miss spezz but it is time to move on. Wish him all the best though wherever he ends up. As long as its not in Toronto but I doubt that would happen anyways.

  • rhume55

    BIG mistake. HUGE mistake. Sens fans need to show their star players more respect. Spezza is the best pure skill forward ever to skate for the Sens and he’s going to be a point-a-game centre for the next 5 years. Next year Sens fans will turn their daggers to a new scape goat, Melnyk or Karlsson, and the PP will be in the toilet, and we’ll be wishing we had a play making #1 centre.

    • Lucretia

      And what’s going to happen when EK65 gets tired of being the scapegoat?

      • Sandy

        So he’s next that wants out? Why would Ryan want to sign with this team. It’s beyond me.

    • Jakester

      I’ll bet you anything that the Powerplay will be way better without Spezza.

    • Rafi Bomb

      Exactly, Spezza is pure skill. No grit, no compete, no two way play. His style of play is quickly becoming obsolete in the NHL. The way you win games these days is by building a team of hard working two way players. Spezza doesn’t fit that mould so he needs to be one a team that can insulate his deficiencies.

    • KJ

      we won’t have any legacy players in this town to celebrate. The fans and the media will have booted them all out before we can truly celebrate what we had. They did want to play here once. Social media only makes it worse too.

  • FistsofNeil25

    Some times Murray does himself more harm than good. By releasing a lot of this info, including the reasons why Spezza wants out, he’s just putting himself in a bad position to negotiate a deal.

    He botched the Heatley fiasco, and they really screwed up last summer with Alfie. They have to do this Spezza trade properly and get good value. They also have to do it without trying to make Spezza look like the bad guy.

    I don’t believe him for a second that he wants to keep Spezza. there’s no way he has interest in signing him long term to a big contract. A friend of mine who is close with the Murray family told me back in January that neither Tim or Bryan are a fan of Spezza’s game.

    By saying that they want to keep him but Spezza asked for a trade, and by releasing the reasons why Spezza wants out are just ways of making him look like the bad guy. They want the fans to blame Spezza for the team’s relationship with him going down the drain. They tried the same shit with Alfie.

    Melnyk has a way of making this organization look bad, but I expect better than this from Murray to be honest. Just stop talking and do your job.

    • Sandy

      This team’s owner & management should learn to keep their mouths shut. This makes the team look desperate to trade him and the return won’t be very good.

      What happens if they can’t trade him and he has to start the year in Ottawa?
      This makes the team look like a 2nd rate organization..

      • FistsofNeil25

        They are a 2nd rate organization. That’s being generous.

        • KJ

          That is a fucking stupid comment!

      • KJ

        How can he keep his mouth shut. People on this board keep making it a topic for discussion and then main stream media ask him point blank, because FANS want to know.
        Well now you do know. and Spezza wants out, because he is sick and tired of being the whipping boy for Ottawa fans.
        BM has been around the game 30+ years. I think he knows what he is doing.

      • sbs138

        kinda like Vancouver. maybe we’ll trade our next best centreman, Turris, instead.

    • rhume55

      I disagree — my guess is there’s an acceptable offer on the table and Murray’s trying to get them to top it up — a 1st instead of a 2nd or something like that. Going public like this is him trying to put pressure on that team. Expect a trade to be announced soon after the final is over.

    • Turbo_Prop

      I don’t think that confirming the trade rumours will affect Spezza’s trade value- whether Murray said it publicly or not, other GM’s know that he is being traded.

      • FistsofNeil25

        There’s nothing wrong with confirming that we’re shopping Spezza. I just have a problem with confirming that Spezza has asked for a trade and then clarified the reasons behind it.

        It weakens Murray’s position in trade negotiations and it makes Spezza look like a pussy.

        • Turbo_Prop

          Yeah i see your point there- even if it doesn’t affect his value, it’s a little bit of a jerk move to disclose that Spezza wants a trade because he can’t handle the criticism.

          It would have been pretty easy to just say that he wanted a change of scenery, or no longer fit in with the team’s style.

          That said, I find it hard to believe that that is why Spezza wants a trade. There are so many other reasons that would make sense, but the one that Garrioch tweeted just seems childish.

  • Sandy
    • luckan20

      Thanks for sharing. Hope he will put some time in evaluating the budget for Ottawa.

      • Sandy

        I think he should have stuck to horse racing and sold his hockey team. Hey maybe that is next if he can’t get a good return on his horses and his stables.

  • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

    What is even more terrifying than this is

    Last year – Alfie leaves
    This year – Spezza leaves
    next year – Ryan leaves?!? (i am now genuinely worried that this may happen)

    • rhume55

      If Spezza’s gone, Karlsson’s next to ask for a trade.

      • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

        Another semi legit concern… The way things are stacking up we will be left with a bunch of fringe 3/4th liners in Greening, Condra, Neil.

        Who knows… Maybe just maybe we will get a top two pick with the way things are going

        • Sandy

          Connor McDavid..

        • Jakester

          I hope we get rid of the bums you named also this summer. We need to move on from these guys too.

      • Rafi Bomb

        Why would Karlsson ask for a trade?

        • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

          Because he doesn’t want to play on an ahl team with a junior b salary cap

          • Rafi Bomb

            This isn’t an AHL team. And we don’t know what kind of return we are going to get for Spezza and what other moves Murray will make in the off season. I think a few of you guys need to take a big step back from the ledge.

        • Sandy

          Because he is coming into his best playing years and the team is really lacking in quality players.

          • Rafi Bomb

            Great prospect pool with a tone of young talent starting into their NHL careers. This is one of the best places he could be both in the short term and long term. Next year would have to be a complete shit show for him to even consider it.

          • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

            Young talent still in minors…. Ahl team!!!

          • Jakester

            I agree, this team has lots of skill and talent. Getting rid of an injury prone center who doesn’t work hard on the ice won’t piss off some of his teammates. Get a couple of good young pieces and this team will be crazy good!

          • Rafi Bomb

            Exactly, Spezza doesn’t play the style of hockey that they are trying to employ here. He isn’t close to being a hard working 200 foot player.

            We have a few good pieces here so now Murray just has to not F it up and bring in the right pieces to improve this team. He hasn’t been able to do it in the past but hopefully he can bring in the right pieces and finally build a legitimate cup contender.

          • Sandy

            Point one.. he should just keep his mouth shut.

          • Rafi Bomb

            Murray making this information public is most likely a PR ploy.
            For one, he lets other teams know that there is some interest in Spezza so if they want to make an offer then they better act quickly.
            Secondly, it sends a message to the teams making the offers that they need to increase the return or else Murray will start looking to other trade partners.
            Thirdly, it helps put him in a positive light with the casual fans. Most fans will read the Sun or Citizen and think “Oh… Murray wants to keep Spezza, but Spezza wants out. If Spezza wants out then good riddance, we want players who want to play here”
            Then by stating the reason why Spezza wants to leave, he persuades fans into believing that he doesn’t have what it takes to captain this team as he can’t handle the pressure.

        • rhume55

          Because Karlsson is a superstar talent and he needs elite talent to play with. Ryan is a great finisher but Turris and MacArthur are *not* Spezza and Alfredsson. IMO, it won’t be long before Karlsson will want to move on.

          • Jakester

            Spezza isn’t Spezza anymore either, wake-up.

          • Jakester

            TUrris is a better hockey player overall than Spezza ever was. He plays in both zones HARD!

    • Sandy

      Me to. I have no idea why Ryan would want to stay in Ottawa…

      • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

        I used to argue this with you… But Sandy I may be admitting I was wrong.

        I hope not… But it does not look good

    • Jakester

      Don’t think so, confident he signs. Ryan likes the small town life.

      • Sandy

        On a team that has lost it’s 2 top players in back to back seasons?

        • Jakester

          Alfie is 40 years old and Spezza honestly , just doesn’t play the game the way it needs to be played. The game of hockey shouldn’t be played like the All-Star game, there is a physical element to it! Watch the LA Kings play!

  • luckan20

    In my opinion, the there will be more teams lined up for his services once the cup finals is over. Most likely tonight. I have a strong a feeling St. Louis deal must be on paper and Bryan must be evaluating what other teams have in store. If Jason has asked for the trade, then Bryan shouldn’t be worried. If Leafs comes with the best deal then take it.

    • Sensturion

      If Spezza can’t handle the heat here, how the hell is supposed to handle it in Toronto?

      • bluebuyyoo

        It’s likely that he will be going to a city that just might appreciate his game.

        • Andrews theory

          Nashville it is!

      • Pasalacqua

        All the better for us if he wants to be there and can’t handle it

        • Sandy

          The point is, in Toronto he will be playing with valid 1st line wingers, not a bunch of 3rd and 4th liners…
          Him playing in Toronto with Kessel and JVR could be one of the better lines in the NHL next season.
          Don’t kid yourself.

          • Rafi Bomb

            Apparently JVR isn’t one of their untouchables and Kypreos mentioned that he was being shopped.

          • Sandy

            Then they are as stupid as the Sens are..

          • Rafi Bomb

            Why are the Sens stupid? There is nothing stupid about trading Spezza. So is your concern with the budget or the types of players they have signed, drafted or traded for?

          • Andrews theory

            Uh ya, Spezza doesn’t go there without JVR coming back as a starting point.

      • luckan20

        We should not assume about the media noise, which is driving him off Ottawa. TO where he spends all his summer and will love to spend all the time too. Therefore, we shouldn’t jump into conclusions that Jason will not want to go. Since he has already given 20 preferential list and Leafs coughs up juicy deal, then BM should take it.

        • rhume55

          It’s not the media in Ottawa that disrespects him, it’s the fans.

          • I’m just sayin’

            OH ? I recall a really ignorant front page of the Ottawa Sun
            last month.

          • KJ

            Agreed. Media always claim they are just representing the voice of the fans anyways.

      • Jakester

        Who cares what he can handle, just take the best deal ALWAYS!

      • KJ

        he’s been handling it ever since he joined the Sens. enough is enough and that seems to be the case here.

  • Rafi Bomb

    “Bruce Garrioch @SunGarrioch · 2h
    Murray says 4 to 5 teams interested in Spezza. Two or three serious. #NHL”

    This is good news, they are probably pretty close to dealing him. Also releasing the fact that a few teams are serious may help increase the offers a bit.

    • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

      Or he has absolutely nothing and is hoping and praying that this will up a few offers….. Pretty rookie move to be honest

      • rhume55

        Nah, he’s got an decent offer on the table. This is Murray trying to get them to raise it to close the deal. That’s the only thing that makes sense.

  • Rafi Bomb

    “Pierre LeBrun @Real_ESPNLeBrun · 2h
    Bryan Murray says he’s taken calls on Jason Spezza. Nothing close at this point. The deal would have to help Ottawa short term and long term”

    Looks like the offers aren’t quite up to snuff yet. Hopefully that changes tonight or over the next few days.

    • Sandy

      So what happens if he doesn’t get what he wants. After throwing Spezza under the bus, would he really expect Spezza to start the season in Ottawa next season.

      • Rafi Bomb

        He will get a deal that makes sense. Even Dreger said he thinks this will be one of those rare trades that works out well for all parties.

  • MB

    Told ya so, guess I wasn’t just a hater.

  • Jakester

    I think it will happen fast, if it’s Nashville, i hope Forsberg is part of the deal. A big left winger(right handed shot), is what we need to balance out our top 2 lines. Things are getting exciting.

    I see this coming out , as Murray maybe already having a deal in place or close to being in place. He’ll be the first big piece(Spezza) that gets the whole thing going.

    • FistsofNeil25

      You can’t say the things you’ve said about Spezza and then suggest we get Forsberg. He’s one of the games best prospects lol

      • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

        Come on fists the way the NHL works is everyone takes our “shit players noone wants” and gives us their three biggest pieces.

  • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

    Can we set up a Sens chirp poker game because Holy crap you guys are taking the bait!

  • Conans River

    Anyone know what Ottawa’s record was this year with Spezza out of the lineup?

    • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

      He didn’t miss many games this year

      • MB

        Yah he did… Sens went on a big time streak. Convenient amnesia.

        • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

          Fabricated memories… He missed 7 games

          • MB

            And the Sens played their best hockey of the year. No one can really argue that point. Not to mention the previous season and playoff round vs the Habs, all without Spezza.

          • bluebuyyoo

            What was the Sens record during the seven games Spezza missed?

          • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

            Was trying to find the info but was too much effort on my phone

          • bluebuyyoo

            I could only find results for 5 games and the Sens were 3-2.

          • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

            Hardly a big time streak even if they won the other two

            Lol

          • MB

            4-0-1… best stretch of the season. Nice try though Bluebuyyo.

            Still “lol” worthy?

          • Shibal

            That one loss came against the islanders in OT or shootout I think.

            I totally agree that the sens were playing their best hockey when Spezza was out: They won four straight games with the line of Zib, MM9, and Conacher until Spezza came back. Zib then got two games with Hemsky; winning one, and losing one in OT/shootout against the islanders.

          • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

            Good old Corey Conacher… Ottawa the first team to make a trade 100% for another team in their own division

          • KJ

            when the trade happened you couldn’t foresee what Bishop was going to do for Tampa. this is hindsight. Conacher was a decent prospect at the time. will be interesting to see how he does in Buffalo.

          • OleHeaveHoFlipperoooni

            I personally wasn’t surprised

          • MB

            Yup, nailed it.

          • Tooks

            Yes you are very lol worthy, haha!

          • bluebuyyoo

            Yup! LOL!
            You accounted for 5 games, so did I. What about the other two? Is it not possible that the Sens lost 2 games out of the 7 #19 missed? That would make the record without Spezza 5-2.

            Not sure what you are getting your panties in a knot about anyway. I only asked about the record.

          • KJ

            Spezza played his best hockey towards the end of the season when he appeared healthy and had Hemsky with him. Sens weren’t playing poorly then.

          • MB

            and that’s just completely fabricated on your part, lol.

          • Tooks

            Keep arguing a lost cause dude, lol. I think their longest win streak was 3 or 4? HAHA PLAN THE PARADE!

          • Tooks

            LOL, brilliant…

  • Uncle JOe

    Holey shit you guys are such cry babies!! It’s nuts.. you guys are seriously nuts. Do you cry like that when you don’t get the gift you asked for for christmas? I am so fucken pissed with the attitude most of you have (not all but most) that I am getting worried the Sens will just move out of town. I actually barely come to this site because all the comment section is is a bunch of pessimist who think the end of the world is here and the Sens are going to trade, or are going to have to trade, all our good players and suck forever. Its mindbloggling. Lets just fire everyone, Murray, all the players who had a bad year, lets fire the “main” reason the Sens are having some struggles lately (I don’t believe this for a second but heck, its what most of the whiners here think) Lets fire Melnyk right guys? eh? Lets just fire the Owner. And then in two years when we are still in the same fucken boat, lets fire everyone again and trade everyone again. Yes. Wow. The solution is so fucken simple aint it!? Mass firings. Please all them armchair GMs who OBVIOUSLY know more then anyone out there. Fired… all of them.. like just a memo to the hole fucken Sens organization that just sais YOUR FIRED!! Back to the Future style.

    We knew Spezza was going, as much as I like him, as much as he’s a good player, as hard as it will be to replace him.. good riddance. We gave Spezza LOTS of chances. I will miss him, but I am happy this is finally happening.

    And Karlsson is the best thing that has happened to us in a LONG time but if the kid can’t get over his daddy Alfy leaving, and I’m starting to get the feeling he won’t, then.. I’m starting to wonder about Sweeds..

    We need to get rid of this… problem, stigma, culture, whatever you want to call it, that has found it’s way into the Sens dressing room last year. And to top it off, WE have to start changing our attitude towards everything that is going on. We know SQUAT of what goes behind those closed doors. I have faith in my team and in it’s management and I’m not ready to mass fire everyone because we had one bad year.

    You know what I found? And I said it at the starting of the year.. The team was playing Spezza hockey. Lazy, uninterested hockey. That is why Spezza is leaving guys. We need a leader. No one is saying Spezza sucks. Its just time to move on.

    • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

      Alfy… Who is that?

    • bluebuyyoo

      You had me at Sweeds.

    • Sandy

      So Spezza wants out. I would like him to stay but it’s obvious he isn’t.. So I have to live with it.
      But they way Murray came out in the media today has me totally pissed off right now. Keep it quiet until it is done.

      There is absolutely no reason for him to come out and give the real reason that Spezza wants out. All he should have said, is that Spezza wants a change.

      • Uncle JOe

        But stuff like that is usual.. Did we not know St-Louis want to leave Tampa? Rick Nash out of Columbus? I would not say it’s the norm but it’s not a mistake. Not if you have good teams who want him. Unlike Heatley, Spezza is not a problem child. He also does not have the same no trade clause as Heatley. After reading a few of the “tweets” and what not, it seems he said that at the GM meeting and it got leaked out. You know.. talking to another GM and being overheard maybe? And even if he just said it, what is the big difference at this time? If you have a few teams interested do you think they did not already know Spezza wanted out? Do you think Murray was trying to tell the other GM’s no no.. Spezza does not want to leave I just want to trade him. I doubt it. I think everyone knew this fact already.

        • Tooks

          Sandy is right, there is absolutely no reason Murray can have for going public with it except for PR. He can talk to all those GM’s behind closed doors and they probably all knew Spezza wanted out anyways. The fans, media and everyone else also kinda knew. Its bad GM’ing, he just threw Spezza under the bus like he did to Alfie.

          • Uncle JOe

            I dont see how you think this is throwing Spezza under the bus. And what the hell? He did not throw Alfie under the bus.. but lets not get started on that. Anyways, he’s just letting us all know what we already did no.. Where we not complaining that they treat us like dummies and not telling us the truth? Now they do and we say it’s not the right thing to do. Kinda sounds like there is a bunch of women out there.. say one thing, want the other, get it and all of a sudden decided that is not what they want…

          • Tooks

            Its different when he’s still apart of the Sens, haha its like talking about a dumb friend while he’s sitting right next to you.

            Like you said , we pretty much knew the gig was up, tell us the truth when you trade him not before, dont air the dirty laundry in public.

          • Uncle JOe

            I think we are bored and making this bigger then it is… like most things these days.

          • Lucretia

            You’ve made some good points…too bad you had to go down the “bunch of women…” road. There are women on this board that know hockey just as well as you do, if not better. Show some respect.

          • KJ

            I disagree with you

      • KJ

        maybe we shouldn’t rag on our players all the time hey! especially if we really like them. I am pissed off because it got to this point. I appreciate what Spezza brings to the table even if most don’t. He is damn exciting to watch, and now we may be headed for a boring Jersey style game without him.

    • FBP

      All I wanted was a Mechano set and it wasn’t there in the morning. I cried and cried. The Christmas after I got it but it was kind of boring.

    • KJ

      it’s like you read my mind

  • Rafi Bomb

    “There are a few teams that have asked me about him, what the cost is, I suggested at least we’ll have discussions. I don’t want to trade the guy, really, and I know I won’t get the value, in all likelihood that I should get for him. But I think that Jason feels maybe there’s a change that he would like to have happen, and if that’s the case we’ll try to do what we can… I’d like to win a hockey game next year, so getting a player back that can play in the league, that has played in the league, would be important,…You get a chance to talk to two guys, but not widespread by any means. We’re all kicking tires right now. It’ll probably be another few weeks, at least, before anything comes down that might be a worthwhile trade talking about.” Murray

    http://espn.go.com/blog/nhl/post/_/id/31442/rumblings-spezzas-value-panthers-coach

  • -zs

    Well now that it is official at least we can start focusing on the return rather than if it is/not going to happen or whether it’s a good idea or not.

    Would anyone here like to see a return centered around Evander Kane? It doesn’t solve our top 4D but we’re going to have to ship out 2 of our current D – including Gryba in current, even though he isn’t signed right now – if we are going to bring in another D anyways.

    • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

      Would love it… But I suspect Winnipeg was #1 on his won’t be traded to list

      • -zs

        That’s fair. And although I’d say he may be willing to waive that since it’s only one year, you know Winnipeg would be wanting at least a positive indication from Spez on an extension. Something he likely wouldn’t give them.

        • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

          I am fairly confident that any deal that gets done will involve conditional picks based on resigning

  • SensFanInMTL

    Interesting read from you guys. I read almost every comment just to see where everyone stands on this team. It’s true though. What happens when Karlsson is fed up and asks to be traded? And Heatley’s situation of how that was handled. And being misers towards our captain and face of the franchise. Are we really player haters? Do we really ship players out of town? Are we unappreciative? Are we impatient to get the results we are looking for? Does our owner suck? Do we have a problem? Someone please shed a light.

    • Rafi Bomb

      Spezza deserved nearly all the criticism that was placed on him. He then asked to be Captain which puts players further under the microscope. Then he decided that rather then adapting his game to play the way MacLean wants him to play, he will simply play the same old Spezza hockey. Then when the team was struggling, he decided to chew his team mates out and most likely was being critical of players for things he fails to do himself.

      He doesn’t play with much intensity, he doesn’t skate hard, he doesn’t block shots, he doesn’t finish his checks, he doesn’t try to out work players for loose pucks or along the boards or for position. Pretty much everything he is criticized of is well within his capacity to do. He just doesn’t want to do it.

      • esk

        that’s not his style..you cant force him to play that way. thats a kesler type…but anything if we got him we would be complaining about how he needs to put more points up

        • Rafi Bomb

          That is fine but he can’t captain a team with his current style of play. Elite teams are filled with elite two ways players, pure skill guys have an ancillary role on those teams. In order for us to become elite, we must emulate those elite teams, therefore our whole roster needs to be committed to playing a hard, gritty, 200 foot game.

  • luckan20

    Of the no trade list, I can be certain Oilers, Flames, Islanders, Jets and Sabers. This leaves us with 5 more teams to speculate.
    Who knows if a team in no trade list give the best deal, BM will address Jason about it. This list of 10 teams were given last season; therefore, their might be change of heart.

    Honestly Oilers have what we need. If we can send Jason and Cowen for Eberle and Petry will be a sweet deal. Or Perron, Petry and Yakupov for Jason and Cowen.

    • Sandy

      I would want absolutely nothing to do with Yakupov.

      • SensFanInMTL

        I cannot give you more than a single thumbs up.

      • luckan20

        Why Sandy ??? he is considered a top player. There is no single player properly developed in Edmonton. If he plays here, at least we will have a goal scorer.

        • Sandy

          In his first few seasons, he didn’t seem to be a team player. Certainly isn’t a 200 ft player either.
          I would sooner give a Sens prospect.. Puempel a job over Yakupov.
          If you are going to trade with Edmonton, it’s Eberle or bust.

      • I’m just sayin’

        Yakupov = Rooskie (not Eugene’s favourite nationality these days)

        • luckan20

          You are right and I missed that. May be Daniel Nurse

          • OleHeaveHoFlipperoooni

            Who’s Daniel Nurse???

      • KJ

        I agree with you here on this comment.

    • Rafi Bomb

      No interest in trading Cowen. We lack physical shutdown d men prospects/young players with top pairing upside.

      Also trading with Edmonton isn’t the best move as they are filled with small and soft players and we don’t really need anymore. We are trying to build the Kings here, not the Habs.

      • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

        If you don’t move Cowen now and he has a repeat of next year he will be worth absolutely nothing.(I do not fully advocate moving him…but would do it WAY before Weircioch)

        • Sandy

          I would only trade Cowen if you get Gudbranson from Florida.

        • Rafi Bomb

          That is something for the organization to evaluate. They will have a solid understanding of whether he is trending downwards or simply had a poor year.

          Aside from that, I would easily trade Wiercioch before him, he is the most expendable d man at this point.

          • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

            Yeah I saw you post that in the last thread…..and will keep this civil

            You are nuts….the ONLY reason people believe this is because for some reason he wasn’t playing last year, when he was(even after weeks of not seeing the ice) he was usually in the top 3 D that night.

          • Rafi Bomb

            No, I am completely rational. Fans go crazy over Wiercioch because they see his offensive ability and potential. The majority of fans over value offense and under value defense, grit and intangibles. Wiercioch has some impressive offensive skill but he is lacking in all other aspects of what makes a good d man.

            Cowen was drafted 9th overall in the 2009 draft. He was expected to go 3rd overall right behind Tavares and Hedman but fell because he had a major injury. Then in the second year after being drafted he put up 18 goals and 30 assists for 48 points in 58 games played and then another 14 points in 17 games played in the playoffs. Then he continued his season with Binghamton and played a key role in their Calder Cup run and win. Then he put up 17 points in his first NHL season and was man handling fully grown NHL players at 20-21 years of old. If it wasn’t for his injury last year, he would have been the number 1 d man in Binghamton for the first half of the season in which he showed the ability to dominate that league within the first few years.

            His career so far has followed a similar trajectory to that of Shea Weber. It took a while for Weber to come into his own but when he did, he became and still is a dominant player. Cowen might still be very raw at this point and he might continue to struggle but he has the ability to become a Pronger/Chara lite if he reaches his full potential.

            Wiercioch is a good player overall and he still has a lot of upside, but he wasn’t the better prospect, he doesn’t have higher upside and he isn’t really the better player at this point.

          • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

            I do agree that it could be a disaster to move him… But to say Weircioch is expendable is nuts man… Don’t know how old you are but, you can’t build a winning team with all tall skinny guys, or all short fat guys or all small average size guys.

            You need a combination of them all

          • Rafi Bomb

            Expendable might have not been the best term to use and maybe that led to some confusion. I will try and explain my justification for that term.

            Wiercioch is an offensive d man, but he isn’t as good as Karlsson and it looks like Ceci is a better player as well. The big advantage that Ceci has over Wiercioch is that he is a much better skater so he can join the rush quite easily and skate the puck up the ice. That pushes Wiercioch down the depth chart and likely onto the third pairing at best.

            Aside from that Wiericoch is also a left handed d man, in which he have an abundance, so he either has to play on his off side of beat out 2 to 3 other guys to play on the left side. It is also a big reason why Gryba is less expendable then him (even though I still consider him to be very expendable).

            Finally, he has some decent trade value which could be useful for bolstering our defense. If we could move him in a package and get a player like Byfuglien back, then it would be worthwhile to seriously consider. So basically the idea of trading him would be to attain a better, more established offensive d man.

          • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

            Fair enough.. And valid points.

      • luckan20

        If we want Eberle, we need to give more than Spezza. Petry is more physical than any in our 6 D. I hope you guys watch Petry’s game. He is physical, much quicker than all our D with the exception of Kalrsson. Also, he is in their PP too. Eberle is a 30 goal scorer and he will be an ideal winger for Zibanejaad.

        • Rafi Bomb

          Haven’t seen much of Petry’s play. All I know is that it is blatantly obvious that the Oilers lack grit and they have been trying to improve that for years.

          I would like to see us improve our d but I would prefer to target Byfuglien or Bieksa first.

  • jtf927

    i am happy to hear that there are 4-5 teams interested in spezza. i am sure the offers are good, but BM being a good manager, wants to maximize the return. the complaint that spezza gets blamed when they don’t win is a bit weak. every captain on every team or every star player gets blamed when the team does not win. look at what is happening in sj, thornton and marleau may be on their way out. in chicago, it’s sharp. in nyr (barring some miracle comeback) nash, richards, st. louis, and hank will all shoulder the blame. this is just the way it is. especially in hockey crazy markets. also, spezza chose to accept the “C” and all that comes with it. saying he was excited to meet the challenge. well this is part of it.

    • KJ

      but he has been the goat for years now, not just last season wearing the “C”. That wears you down. its human nature.

  • Aaron 2.0

    Wow. Really surprised Murray came out today and said Spezza requested a trade. It’s sort of a funny (although probably smart) move, IMO. I think the organization was probably ready to move on too. Spezza’s next contract won’t be cheap, and he’ll want term too. Murray basically makes #19 the bad guy in all of this. Still, if this is a true account of what happened, that Spezza requested a trade, instead of saying that he’d be open to a trade, that’s extremely disappointing. He was captain for 1 short year. Either he knew he wasn’t happy in Ottawa, and assumed the Captaincy anyways. Or, he’s that fragile, that one year in the Captain’s chair was basically too much for him.

    • esk

      nah he didnt assume the captaincy…he fought phillips for it! i think the real problem lies with the coach and he played with fuckin greening all year…that hurts his value especially on a contract year…maybe he was just fed up…if the organization cant put him in a position to put up points cause of the “budget” then its in his best interest to move on

      • Aaron 2.0

        I was the tough on MacLean all year. But, #19 had Greening on his wing the year he finished 4th in points. Last year, I think pretty much everyone got a chance with Spezza. And, he started the season w/ Ryan. Hard to see how the organization was responsible for Spezza’s underwhelming year.

        • esk

          he barely played with ryan..you need to let them play for abit to develop chemistry…but since ryan had instant chemistry with turris he was there most of the year. Spezza finished 4th when michalek was on and effective…micalek had his own problems this year

          • Aaron 2.0

            For sure, I totally agree with you there. Michalek was a different player that year. Greening was a different player. Spezza was a different player that year too. I just don’t see how the organization is at fault for any of this. They could have kept Ryan on his wing longer I guess. But, if he has chemistry with other players, then it is what it is. Have to go with the natural chemistry. Scoring wasn’t really an issue for the team. Not even for Spezza.

      • Rafi Bomb

        Being a -26 is the big issue. Sure he put up 66 points but he was on the ice for 92 against. Sure he wasn’t directly responsible for all those goals against, but it was clear by watching his play that he played a big role in a lot of them.

        MacLean wanted him to play a hard 200 foot game. Spezza wanted the challenge of becoming captain but didn’t want to adapt his game. The organization even went out to acquire Ryan to play with him and he couldn’t develop chemistry.

  • esk

    and then there was Phillips.

    • Sandy

      … seeing all of his friends leave..

    • jtf927

      difference with philips is that he wants to stay in Ottawa. he has pretty much locked down his roots and does not want to disturb his family.

      • FistsofNeil25

        but he’s not very good at hockey.

        • FBP

          Maybe he’ll be a good assistant coach in three years.

        • jtf927

          he was good. but he is indeed well past his prime. way well past.

  • Sandy

    Bruce Garrioch @SunGarrioch · 56m

    Bryan Murray says the only UFA he wants to keep is Milan Michalek. They have had discussions with agent Allan Walsh.

    So at least there will be a possibility for 4 experienced top 6 forwards…

    • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

      Uggg

      Time to move on

    • Aaron 2.0

      Assume that will be a cheap contract. Maybe he’ll bounce back a little bit…

      • Sandy

        He can’t demand a lot after the bad start to last season…

        • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

          Under 3 MIL and I think I’d be ok with it(but not sure that helps us hit the floor)

          • jtf927

            absolutely. i would say between 1.5-3 mill. no more. for sure would help us reach the cap floor and round out the top 9.

          • Aaron 2.0

            I think he’s decent value at that price (even if he ends up as a fringe top 6). Can’t be a bad thing to actually have to spend some money still (to get to our internal budget / cap floor).

          • Sandy

            He can kill penalties and play on the PP.

          • Jakester

            I think he might get 4 million.

          • Tooks

            Yikes…

          • Jakester

            Do you honestly see Michalek taking less than that, be honest. Habs talking about Gionta at 3 million. Michalek is a better player, and was injury free this past year.

          • Tooks

            Ya and sucked BALLS, I would rather have Gionta atleast he has character.

          • Jakester

            He cries in his coaches arms! Whan Whan!

      • FBP

        3×4 or 4×3 MM’s choice? Has to more than that right?

      • Rafi Bomb

        We won’t offer him what he wants. Michalek is a bottom sixer at this point and he isn’t even that gritty. I would be hard pressed to give him $3M per and he likely wants $4M minimum.

    • jtf927

      if they can sign 9mm for cheap, than yeah, definitely keep him around. even though he has battled injuries, he definitely has some speed and always heads for the nest. he is always at the front of the net as well trying to create havoc. he has good qualities, just been unfortunate with injury luck. he has said repeatedly that he likes Ottawa and wants to stay. i am sure Murray and his staff have taken notice.

    • Rafi Bomb

      I thought this was already well known.
      Corvo was playing for the AHL Wolves and they were paying his salary so we knew he wasn’t coming back.

      Kassian told Murray that he thought he could get more playing time somewhere else (laughs). So we knew he wasn’t coming back and that we might target some other enforcer to replace him.

      Hemsky priced himself out of our budget and we knew about a week ago that he wasn’t going to sign with us.

      Who else am I missing? I guess there is a few guys in the AHL that are UFAs

    • esk

      wtf is michalek going to do without spezza

      • Sandy

        Play with Zibby. At least it’s some experience on that line..

        • Tooks

          Great, no knees is in our top 6…

          • Jakester

            Michalek has had some pretty productive games with Turris.

          • Tooks

            I dont care, he’s not a top 6 anywhere else. Its sad…Its basically saying we dont want to win…

      • OleHeaveHoFlipperoooni

        WTF is Michalek going to do PERIOD???!!!???

    • FistsofNeil25

      What? I thought for sure they would want to keep Jimmy O’Brien!

    • KJ

      looks like Hemsky pissed BM off with his unrealistic contract demands then. or so it would seem with that statement. I recall Hemsky being an option until he wanted 5.5 million and perhaps more.

  • Sandy

    Bonk’s Mullet @BonksMullet · 2h

    You have to think concerns about Spezza’s long-term health status will only be magnified after being run over by the team bus.

    Bonk’s Mullet @BonksMullet · 1h

    This makes it clear to me that the team is more worried about PR than they are about winning hockey games.

    Bonk’s Mullet @BonksMullet · 1h

    I don’t understand cutting down Spezza’s character when you’re in the process of trying to trade him to a contender.

    … BINGO

    • Aaron 2.0

      Hahaha. That’s sort of what I was getting at a few posts down. Totally threw him to the wolves. I’m not sure it really hurts his value though. Any team we were looking to trade him to probably already knew he was done here. But, for sure, this move seems like PR.

    • FistsofNeil25

      Yeah I agree with these tweets.

      They way they’re handling this has PR damage control written all over.

      I feel like the things Murray said today are to set the fan base up so that we don’t blame the team when we get a less than ideal return for Spezza, They seem to be focussed on winning the PR battle now because they aren’t getting any offers that they like.

      • Tooks

        And your surprised? Its been the Sens motto the past few years, lol.

        • FistsofNeil25

          Not surprised at all man.

  • esk

    He is blamed too often eh well it cant be the fans because we’ve been blaming spezza since he got drafted sooo must be inside the locker room?

  • SensFanInMTL

    Is everyone watching CBC now? Did anyone catch Friedman mentioning Jason Spezza and Florida extremely briefly? Don’t get too excited.

    • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

      Nope what did he say?

      • SensFanInMTL

        All I heard that was spat out of Friedman’s mouth was “Jason Spezza” and “Florida” but was immediately cut off by MacLean due to time constraints. That’s why I said don’t get too excited.

        Even if it is the 1st overall. Even if it is Ekblad or Reinhart. Or Bennett.

        • Jakester

          Reinhart looks like a pretty talented kid, so does Bennett.

        • Tooks

          He said Spezza and Florida’s coaching candidates…Nothing to do with Spezza & Florida.

    • FistsofNeil25

      He said Spezza talk and Florida head coaching candidates.

      • SensFanInMTL

        Well that clears everything. Ha. The 1st overall for Spezza. I must be extremely bored at the moment eh? Let’s phuckin get this done!!!!

  • Floridasensfan

    Well Spezza issues I think start and end with PMac from Spezza’s point of view.
    Pmacs love of the bottom lines and more interest in proving he can do whatever he wants than winning games. Power struggle.
    I think Pmac is the reason Spezza wants a change.
    Any way you slice it Spezza is gone.
    All we can do is wait and see what the team is going to look like when BM is done.

    • Rafi Bomb

      MacLean wants the Sens to play like the Kings. He simply wants them to play like an elite team. Spezza doesn’t fit that style of play and that leads to a conflict between the coach and the player. I agree with MacLean as we should be playing like and build our team like the Kings if we want to win.

      • Tooks

        Except we dont have the Kings players…

        • Sandy

          I agree there Tooks. But I would love Toffoli

      • Andrews theory

        Shhhhh… How r we going to trade him to a contender with comments like that..

        We all know this is where the best GM’s come for their team blue prints

      • Floridasensfan

        I get that but so far we are losing an elite player with nobody to step in his shoes.
        Time will tell.

  • Cicero

    Good move, and good business. I agree that this is a tactic to not only suggest existing offers could be better — it elevates Spezza into the spotlight ‘officially’. The quasi-NTC limits options for the Sens, so maximum return has to come from somewhere.

    Fans are critical, saying Spezza has earned to be treated with more respect. Isn’t getting the best value for him demostrating respect?

    Murray is trying to fabricate a seller’s market while he can.

    • FBP

      Yeah but we already knew he was getting traded. The twenty nine other GM’s already knew too. It seems like an attempt at PR.

  • aegiszx

    Its funny how quickly things change in the world of sports. Its one of the reasons why I love hockey and all major sports… one season youre the top team, the next season you cant win to save your life.

    I dont wish for much with watching our beloved Sens, I just hope one day we win the Cup. We already know, Karlsson wont be a Sens forever (its a given due to the nature of the sport and people in general wanting change)… I do really hope in my life time though, I get to see Erik lift the Cup just ONCE with the team that drafted him and developed him.

    Nothing would crush me more than watching EK65 10-15 yrs down the road lift the Cup with some other team… If you would’ve told me Alie, Heatley, and Spezza after 07 werent going to be for much longer I’d have laughed… but boy oh boy…

  • Tooks

    Murray making public comments about the market for Spezza leads me to believe offers aren’t good enough. Trying to push teams a little bit.

    Just like many of us said here, the best we gonna get is mid level player, good prospect and a pick for Spezza.

    • KJ

      did you see the Turris trade coming? and yes, what do you know?

  • thepez

    For all the Spezza haters out there, better make sure you don’t come on here when he lights it up with another team. The guy has been first class his entire career and deserves respect. As much as I have realized that it is probably time that he be traded, it really is unfortunate that a pure talent will no longer be playing here.

    • Jakester

      Except the light unfortunately goes on at both ends of the ice, don ‘t forget.

      • thepez

        So don’t complain when our first line centre is reliable in his own zone but the team ranks near the bottom in goals for and they play boring hockey. Many of you will be on here bitching that the SENS are too defensive and dump and chase is all we watch.

        • Jakester

          I can live with a number one center who is plus 22 and not minus 26. That’s a 50 goal swing. The style of play from 2 years ago, I can take that anytime . No complaints here!

          • Tooks

            Yep only to get eliminated cuz we cant score in the playoffs…Long live mediocrity!

          • Jakester

            Oh ok , only big goals in the playoffs recently have been from our NEW number one center TUrris. Spezza grips it a little too hard in the playoffs. Oh he might get one in the first period but his game disappears late in playoff games. Time to move on Tooks.

          • Tooks

            Umm, he’s just under a point a game in the playoffs…We are moving on or atleast Spezza is, you better not come on here next year all mad cuz we cant win those 2-1 games of boring hockey…

          • Jakester

            Don’t worry the day he’s traded I’m going on a celebratory bender!

          • thepez

            If they win all is good but if they lose playing Devils style hockey then watch the crap on here. Can’t wait for the first hater to come on here and write, “if only we had Spezza what could have been”

          • Jakester

            Well, it won’t be me.

          • KJ

            to get to plus 22, you have to score or be on a line that does score. I am skeptical that will happen with Spezza gone outside the ryan line.

      • KJ

        it is a team game you know. you compensate and take the good with the bad. I would still want Spezza on my team.

    • Andrews theory

      Agreed…

      I couldn’t wait for Spezza to join the big club full time. I used to curse Jaques Martin everytime we were shut out.

      Easily one of the the most talented players in Sens history, likely second only to 65…

      Spezza is a special kind of player that a very small handful of players can begin to duplicate.

      Complete player -no but he lifted me out of my seat many many times

    • KJ

      agreed.

  • Andrews theory

    Part of me says, don’t wait too long to trade him.

    With all the centers available, once they start dropping you don’t want to be left playing pocket pool.

    Otherside of me says if you have to start the season and allow teams to assess the competition and their own needs they may in fact be forced to overpay having missed Statsny, Kessler and Thornton

    • Jakester

      That’s why I think a deal is in place. So what happened today was irrelevant!

      • Tooks

        Its not done, Murray said he’s having trouble getting the offer he wants, says market is not there yet.

        • Jakester

          Since when does a GM tell the truth, c’mon dude thought you were wiser than that. GM gives coach vote of confidence, week after is let go, happens all the time!

          • Tooks

            Nah man, every media outlet confirmed in in their own way. Its not something you lie about. There is not that much interest in Spezza right now.

          • Jakester

            Oh I’m realistic about the yield, I have my thoughts. Not thinking we’re getting a big name back. Will be 2 young guys and a pick.

          • Tooks

            Thats why its smarter to wait, wait till Stastny is gone, then the market will open up.

          • Jakester

            They have to move him before the draft. Cuz then you won’t get That first pick in 2015. And Murray needs to make this move first I would think!

          • Tooks

            Nobody in their right mind will give us a 2015 pick…and 2014, unless its top 3 is useless.

          • Jakester

            That’s what I’m saying, if he wants a first rounder he’ll get it in this draft, thus has to trade Giggles before draft day. Nobody will give us a 2015.

          • Tooks

            Yeah but anything higher than top 3 is useless. And nobody will give up a top 3 pick for Spezza, haha, we live on earth!

            The top 3 in 2014 belong to FLA, BUF, EDM, probably all on Spezza’s no trade list and I highly doubt any of them would give up their pick for Spezza.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Edmonton might but it would have to be part of a bigger deal. Spezza wouldn’t waive to go there though.

          • Andrews theory

            Garth Snow might be that dumb

            Strome, grabbner plus a first in 2015

          • Frank

            NYI first in 2015 is already gone to Buffalo

  • Richard Gough

    If I was Murray I would ask for a top 6 forward /top prospect and a 1st 2015 for Spezza

    Scew this years first ,Thair isn’t any thing in this yr draft that you can really build from

    • Tooks

      Teams WILL counter with a 2014 pick instead of the 2015, nobody will give up those.

      • Richard Gough

        You never know

    • Andrews theory

      That really depends on who you are trading with…

      Top 3 should turn into stars maybe not McDavid or Mckinnon but they’ll be impact players

      • Jakester

        The top players are good. Reinhart they compare to Sakic. Not too shabby.

        • FistsofNeil25

          Reinhart will be good, but the only person to compare him to Sakic is Craig Button, and Craig Button is an idiot.

          • Andrews theory

            Buffalo scouts love him…

          • FistsofNeil25

            I’m sure a lot of scouts love him. I would love to have him. I just laugh at the Sakic comparison.

          • Jakester

            Look at how he skates and passes the puck and finishes, he has the look of a Sakic. Real smart with the puck, protects it well.

          • FistsofNeil25

            The look of Sakic lol I remember when Adam Larsson had the look of Lidstrom.

            Again I would love to have Reinhart, but cool it with the Sakic comparison..especially when it’s coming from Craig Button. Sakic is an all-time great. Him and Yzerman are my favorite players of all time.

          • Jakester

            Larsson will be good just wait, unlike Cowen he can skate.

          • FistsofNeil25

            My point is that people get carried away with their comparisons lol

          • Jakester

            Well, when you’re talking first overall pick, I think you can make that comparison, he’s not a third rounder.

          • Jakester

            Anyhow the kid had a pretty f-ing good year don’t ya think!

          • Andrews theory

            Sakic And Yzerman had that extra quality you can’t measure until they do it in the bigs..

            Toews wasn’t projected to be as good as he is otherwise he’d have gone first overall.

            Comparing young players is unfair but it’s certainly fun!

        • SensFanInMTL

          You want him in a Sens uniform don’t you lol?

          • Jakester

            Well if you’re going to trade for a Berglund and Jaskin then go for the Homerun! I can see both moves being beneficial but the first overall kid has Cup down the line being a bigger possibility.

        • Andrews theory

          Buffalo director of scouting;

          I don’t know that I’ve seen a guy that can make plays like Sam can in the last 10 to 15 years…

          • Jakester

            Exactly, people been hearing oh this draft isn’t that deep. It’s probably as good as the draft where we got Zibby,Puempel, and Noesen. And this kid Reinhart had a Real big year, cuz he can play!

  • FistsofNeil25

    Talk about weakening your position today Murray! There’s nothing wrong with confirming that Spezza is available and that we’re shopping up. However, there was no need to confirm that Spezza has asked for a trade and to make the reasons why open to the public. Then, to top it all off he says “I know I’m not going to get the value I want for the guy”. Wow Bryan well done.

    I applaud a lot of things Murray has done to rebuild this team, but the way he handled the Heatley fiasco, Alfie’s departure last summer, and now the Spezza trade is rather embarrassing.

    If you’re an NHL GM, you want to always deal from a position of strength when negotiating a trade. Since the end of the season Murray and company threw Spezza under the bus for the teams lack of leadership, they have confirmed that Spezza wants out, and have now let it be known that Spezza couldn’t handle taking the blame when the team loses. That’s exactly how you weaken your position.

    • Andrews theory

      Stevie Y seemed to make out pretty well with the St Louis situation…

      • FistsofNeil25

        St Louis was never criticized for his lack of leadership or that he can’t take the heat from fans and media.

        • Andrews theory

          Well that would be silly lol

    • Frank

      He confirmed what everyone already assumed. No big deal. He’s obviously trying to stir the pot a little and make teams who are interested up their bid. He didn’t weaken his position at all

      • FistsofNeil25

        You don’t think it weakens his position when he says he knows he won’t get the value he wants?

        • Frank

          He wants a top-6 FW, a top prospect and a 1st round pick. EVERYONE knows he won’t get that

  • Tooks

    Only 4-5 teams interested and 2 of em are serious…Hmmm let me guess, ANA & STL…

    • jtf927

      i would be okay with either of those. ana, silfverberg + our 1st round pick, stl. shattenkirk + their 1st round pick.

      • Senatollah

        unless Alfie is coming back no way Sens go after Silfverberg.

      • Tooks

        Silf, haha, why, out of all the better players in ANA you want Silf?!?!?
        The Blues deal would be good tho if we can swing it but it seems Murray is having trouble getting that big piece, guessing the Blues didnt offer Shatty.

        • jtf927

          do you think the big piece is berglund or shattenkirk?

          • Tooks

            I would say they offer Berglund first, Sens would need to push hard for Shatty but it could be done.

      • Jakester

        Enough with Silfverberg, he can’t skate.

        • OleHeaveHoFlipperoooni

          And he’s a pussy in the corners

    • Senatollah

      Winnipeg and Edmonton?

  • FistsofNeil25

    “Obviously I’d like to win a hockey game next year, so getting a player back that can play in the league, that has played in the league, would be important” – Bryan Murray

    Even our own GM knows we’re going to suck next year.

    Playoffs?! I just wanna win a game!

    • Tooks

      Ya Murray has to retire, glad its his last year actually, he seems over his head with all of this, poor guy, he’s like 70!!!

      • Deadly

        Wow,ancient.
        Don’t count on this being his last year with the team. Probably will end up as an assistant GM in some way.

      • Sandy

        God, that’s only 8 yrs older than am I. Am I that old?

    • Sandy

      Should be a contest for next season.
      How many games will the Sens win next season..
      I say 35-40

  • Puritan

    Why do all the good(star) players want out of Ottawa ? Heatley, Alfie, now Spezza – next: Ryan and Karlson

    • Sandy

      Number of reasons..
      In the limelight all of the time.
      Taxes too high.
      Team has a budget and won’t be a contender for a long time.
      Don’t include Heatley in your discussion. He was just a crybaby who didn’t want to play on the 2nd PP and didn’t like Clouston.

  • Andrews theory

    Realistically out of all the teams interested, my guess is Spezza is plan B for several.

    Luckily, the other guys are in the west and out of the three moving, Statsny will likely be the only one that remains in the west

  • luckan20

    Did Spezza or Garrioch ever mentioned that he doesn’t want to be part of any Canadian teams?

    There are key players we should look from trade. It is only a list

    St. Louis = Shattenkirk
    Colorado = Ryan O’ Reilly or Stastny (signed and dealt)
    Nashville = Josi Roman
    Phoneix = Keith Yandle
    Florida = Bjugstad or Huberdeau

    Rangers = Kreider or Zucarrello
    Flyers – Simmonds

  • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

    Alright over under is 15 games

    Karlsson becomes the new scapegoat

    • Tooks

      Yep and demands a trade in 2 years when our team keeps floating above water in 9th and not improving.

      • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

        Yup… If Ryan isn’t resigned very early I suspect he will be victim #3 next season too.

        • FistsofNeil25

          If we don’t sign him this summer then you know he doesn’t want to play here. We have to trade him if that’s the case.

          • Andrews theory

            They may in fact have to swallow a reverse “hometown discount” but when you fuck around with fire, eventually you get burnt

        • Jakester

          I think he signs early or yes he will be next, you can get decent players for him too. It’s a f-ing business. Where you get screwed is when you’re nice like resigning Phillips!

          • Tooks

            I agree its a business but damn, if we keep turning over our best players cuz we cant pay them or we piss them off or they dont want to play here anymore….Enough is enough. We will never win with Melnyk and Murray.

          • Jakester

            You know what the teams that hang on to depreciating assets are the ones that long term suck balls. Boston every year makes a big deal, so does Pittsburgh and LA.

          • Uncle JOe

            Fire Melnyk! wait..

    • Jakester

      He won’t be the scapegoat. We don’t need a scapegoat. We need good solid hockey from all the guys!

      • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

        So you’re taking over.

        • Jakester

          What’s that supposed to mean….

          • Uncle JOe

            People are sour here.. I agree with you. Leadership is what we need.

          • Jakester

            People think this team will be worse! Oh please stop, Sens will be more competitive.

          • Tooks

            Doubt it, we might be more competitive cuz of the young guys but we will lose more games than we win. Its a known fact, without skill upfront, the 2nd half will kill these kids, effort only gets you so far.

          • Jakester

            U watch too many Leafs 2nd half of the season collapses!

          • Tooks

            Didnt the Leafs kill us this year? lol

          • Jakester

            They finished behind us!

          • Tooks

            Head to Head?

          • Uncle JOe

            I’m pretty sure we won the battle of Ontario this year.

          • Tooks

            Wrong…

            The Leafs took the season series 3-1

          • Uncle JOe

            I stand corrected. Although that state means nothing.

          • Jakester

            That’s the Leafs Cup, there reason for being! What a sad sack of shit they are! Still finished below the SENS in the standings! pathetic.

          • SensFanInMTL

            Which is why we may be tanking, not on purpose but because of what you just mentioned.

          • Tooks

            Well yes I hope so, if we are to do nothing to improve, I hope we get a good shot at McDavid. Its certainly looking that way.

          • SensFanInMTL

            Underplayed for McDavid?
            No honor for Connor?

            Je suis le meilleur je te dit!!

    • I’m just sayin’

      EK65 wouldn’t talk to Dildo Don Brennan about his private life last winter.
      The scapegoat gun is already pointed right at Erik

    • Sandy

      Probably Cowen

  • SensFanInMTL

    Should everyone be focused on talks after 1st period of what the HNIC panel will say? Even though there’s nothing we already don’t know?

    • JayRuN

      Thats why im watching.

    • SensFanInMTL

      Well that was a whole lot of nothing eh lol.

  • Richard Gough

    “ What’s that? Ah — Playoffs? Don’t talk about — playoffs? You kidding me? Playoffs? I just hope we can win a game! Another game. ”

  • Uncle JOe

    In other news, the laws of physics have changed. It is now possible to tip the puck downwards, go bar down all while having your stick below the cross bar.

  • Richard Gough

    Murray should talk Yashin into coming back too the Senators

    • SensFanInMTL

      Wow. My children. Wow.

  • WaitingSince92

    Don’t blame Spezza for wanting out. He’s been the whipping boy for way too long.

    Don’t get me wrong, I’ve never liked his blind pass giveaways either, but he’s not the reason we suck.

    The only real problem was that we wanted him to carry the team and change his style to something he’s just not good at (defence). He’d be a great 1B centre on a contender.

    • SensFanInMTL

      Yup. I still will hang on to my Spezza jersey. But we need to move on, which is what we’ll be doing. The future that is to be held with this team will be determined as it comes.

  • Tooks

    Holy crap Quick is good, like deadly good!

  • Andrews theory

    “Melnyk Announces Retirement from Thoroughbred Ownership, Breeding and Horse Racing”

    One sport down one to go?

    Please for the love of hockey, sell the team next…

    • Uncle JOe

      Holey man.. does comments like this piss me off. You know what. I hope he does and I fucken hope the team moves so fuckheads like you can go cry that we have no team. Seriously fuck this.

      • FistsofNeil25

        Overreact much?

      • Tooks

        You kidding me right? We have buyers waiting in line.

        • Uncle JOe

          Well I sure hope we do. But I have a funny feeling you have no idea if we actually do or not. Speculation is easy.

          • WaitingSince92

            Definitely speculation, but given the recent success of the NHL, I would think any hockey market with a team that becomes available would be a great investment.

          • Uncle JOe

            Yeah but it staying in Ottawa is also an uncertainty. Are they not waiting for a team in Seattle? L.V.?

          • KJ

            hockey is a terrible investment. Owner’s actually lose money at it. it is a play toy for Billionaires.

        • KJ

          name ‘em

      • JayRuN

        Is that you Eugene???

      • Frank

        Tell us how you really feel

        • Uncle JOe

          hahaha Yeah.. sorry. It just pisses me off. Billionaire owner who saved our team. We have a few bad years and we want him to sell it. Everyone here seem to think another Billionaire is just waiting there licking his chops to buy the team but I for one am not sure of that.

          • WaitingSince92

            I don’t understand the Melnyk defenders. There are only two things you really want from an owner. The first is $$$$$; enough of it to be financially secure in your city and enough of it not to restrict your GM. The second thing is not to meddle; let your GM do his job.

            Even if I grant you that he doesn’t meddle (and I do!), he fails the financials test.

            I don’t resent Eugene the person and it probably sucks to have your assets dwindle and fans dislike you as a result. But I don’t have a relationship to him as a person – only as an owner.

          • Uncle JOe

            I’m just saying that guys like that are not a dime a dozen like many seem to think. And we are all mad at how he spends his money, dont get me wrong, I would love to see more money spent on the team, but what do we know? maybe this is just his plan.. the Sens are still a little ways away from being competitive anyways.. What if they are just waiting to spend on our home grown guys, like Zibinijab, Lazar, Karlsson (he’ll deserve top dollar if he keeps going) We spend all our money now we wont have any for the guys we want to keep in the system.

          • WaitingSince92

            They don’t need to be a dime a dozen – someone would buy the Sens if Eugene decided to sell (which he’d make a ton of money doing). Just his plan!?!?!?! …to ditch Alfie, not resign Hemsky? Sign them while Zibanejad, Lazar, Karlsson get better/are on ELCs.

            This is getting a bit ranty, but I just don’t see anything to support your argument.

          • Uncle JOe

            I see less support for yours.

          • WaitingSince92

            So… why’d we ditch Alfie then? What “plan” is this? How can you justify not resigning leaders/good players? How is it better to ditch them now instead of in a few years when you need to pay your Lazars, your Zib’s and your Karlssons? What of ELC’s? What of the ELCs?!?!

          • Uncle JOe

            I strongly believe there is more to the Alfie thing then we know. I don’t understand how offering him 4.5 mil per year was low balling him to a point that it escalated to what it was. He signed for 5.5 after all.. only a million more. Even if the rumors are true that he was expecting 7.5 for the years he took a hometown discount, 3 mil is not to far off and if anything 7.5 for Alfie, as much as I love the guy, was steep. From everything I was able to read, there seems to have never really been any negotiations. Just a this is what we offer, this is what I want and I’m going to Detroit. So.. I dont know, in hind sight, they should of just signed him but at the time I’m sure Murray was thinking like us. WTF.
            Who are the other good players we did not resign? Gonchar? Hemsky? Hemsky did well with us, but he is known for that. Plays well then disappears for a while. I’m sure Murray talked to him about what he was willing to offer, and never mind the Melnyk is cheap bullshit, you don’t give a guy like Hemsky 7 mil per year. Hemsky decided to test free agency where he will likely be overpaid and we will be talking about him in a few years time. I cant think of anyone else that was a good player that we did not resign under Murray.

          • KJ

            it was certainly not in the plan to not resign Alfie. Are you mad? How people have short memories. EM was practically kissing Alfie’s feet for the longest time. something went bad contract wise. there are two parties involved in every negotiation.

          • WaitingSince92

            I think you missed my point.

          • Andrews theory

            Do some simple math on inflation values for NHL franchises.

            The money isn’t in the the annual revenue it’s in the net profit when you flip the team.

            Regardless, Bettman has a list of buyers, there’s a limited number of teams

          • Uncle JOe

            I want to see this list. Please.

          • Uncle JOe

            Still waiting for that list.

          • Frank

            He has admitted that he WON’T spend to make the team better. If that’s the case, sell the team! So, you’re ok with having a cap-floor team and miss the playoffs every year, ala Florida Panthers?

          • KJ

            He won’t spend, because it’s a matter of philosophy which you don’t see or just don’t agree with. He believes developing within is the answer. I happen to agree if you have been following Pittsburgh, Chicago, et al.

          • Frank

            If you really believe his BS then I feel sorry for you

      • SensFanInMTL

        C’est juste Melnyk man. C’est un gros zero. Rien de t’inquieté, bud.

        • Uncle JOe

          Un gros Zero qui own notre team. Il a quand meme fait beaucoup plus de bon que de mal pour nous. So vouloir le crucifier pour une couple de mechante annees pis une couple de joueurs qui on pas value la penne c’est un peu dumb.

          • SensFanInMTL

            On a multiple problems with our equipe man. He’s just the starting point. Y’est aussi cheap en esti lol. But I understand how you feel.

          • Uncle JOe

            Ouin mais ci tu nous compare a Chicago pis LA et des teams come ca oui.. Mais je crois pas a depencer au cap sur des joueur come UFA que presque a chaque fois on rie des contract apres 3 ans. (Richards, Richards, Campble etc…)

          • SensFanInMTL

            Ben non. I promise signings like Kovalev and Gonchar (to a certain extent) will never happen again. But trust me, we have many issues to deal with in our nation’s capital. Don’t even know where to start.

          • Uncle JOe

            I wasn’t 100% against those signings because they were short term (2-3 years) But UFA’s all want 7-8 years and someone will give them that. I just don’t believe that free agency is the way to go, you get good fill guys there but not the big names. They typically lead to disappointment after a few years.

          • KJ

            please no real politics… :)

          • Frank

            Are you Acadian? French…English…French lol

      • Andrews theory

        NHL isn’t moving the team and there are plenty of buyers waiting in line for a team.

        News flash, if you can afford an NHL team, you can afford to fly in as often as you’d like

        • Uncle JOe

          Oh right. I got that list of plenty of buyers too! right here with my list of good kids from Santa claus.

          And what’s your news flash? I’m confused… I do agree.. if you can own a NHL team you should be able to afford flying in at any time.. or flying anywhere for that matter.. I just don’t see where this has anything to do with anything.

          • FBP

            Two Christmas references in one night.

          • Uncle JOe

            hahahaha you get my point.

          • Andrews theory

            Well of course you don’t

          • Uncle JOe

            High five.

      • WaitingSince92

        The goodwill he built up by single-handedly saving the team is dwindling…

    • KJ

      you may get your wish. I hope you enjoy hockey in Seattle.

  • JayRuN

    I cant focus on the game anymore after watching that don cherry techno dance….

    • FistsofNeil25

      It was incredible.

  • Deadly

    Any thoughts on the Jiri Sekac news that the Sens are in the running to sign him?

    • Andrews theory

      Based on what I read, he doesn’t project as a top 6 in the NHL. Assuming ottawa sees things differently, it’s worth a shot.

      • sprucesens

        seems like it would only be a depth signing for us. not likely to ever make the team. But at least its a sens related story.

    • JayRuN

      Low risk high reward move.

  • Marcel Marcotte

    Disappointed that Jason Spezza will be leaving Sens Army. Thank you for all your great years in Ottawa. I think he will be moved to Anaheim, Dallas, Nashville, Phoenix or St.Louis.

    • FistsofNeil25

      Bouwmeester wears #19 for St Louis. I wonder if Spezza would go back to #39 lol

      • Uncle JOe

        I was hoping Bouwmeester was involved in the deal.

        • FistsofNeil25

          Not likely.

          • Uncle JOe

            I agree.. but it would fill one of our needs. Anyways I don’t like speculating trades. I’m a little excited to see what we get though.

  • Uncle JOe

    Would anyone else bang the Robillard Hearing Aid woman? hahaha

    • not YOUR wingman

      Creepy

  • SensFanInMTL

    Ok “After 40 Minutes” here we go!!!!

    • SensFanInMTL

      Well that was a whole truckload of nothing. Ou cazz.

      • JayRuN

        No doubt lol

      • Sandy

        HNIC does not care too much about the Sens.. It’s Leafs, Leafs and more Leafs.
        Don’t you know that by now?

        • bluebuyyoo

          True. The only way that Spezza’s departure from Ottawa becomes significant on CBC is if the Leafs are interested in him.

        • SensFanInMTL

          Cazz.

  • ProfessorPower

    Whos the next Captian?
    a)Turris
    b)Karlsson
    c)Philips
    d)Other
    e) 3 A’s

    • bluebuyyoo

      Phillips! That way the team can be 3 for 3 when they dump him after next year’s disaster of a season.

    • JayRuN

      I want turris to be the captain.

    • IAmThePaulrus

      I could see Turris really grow into the role. Not sure if he needs the added pressure immediately @ this point but he’s handled the spotlight well enough when Spez was out, certainly plays responsibly puts up respectable numbers and learned a lot about leading from Alfie.

    • OleHeaveHoFlipperoooni

      Other,,, McArthur

  • WaitingSince92

    Glen Healy is the most awful piece of shit excuse for a colour man this world has ever seen. The Californication thing… all this “IN JUST 16 SECONDS!”, or 10 seconds or 19 seconds. I need to be able to select my announcers. Mute Healey only.

    • Uncle JOe

      I try to tune out the hole CBC cast.

    • SensFanInMTL

      When he said that, I looked up and saw Duchovney. Then I immediately thought about all the gene that’s thrown at him, on the show and in real life. Then began to envy him.

    • Sandy

      I just wish McGuire would accidentally on purpose elbow him in the mouth to shut him up..

      • Jakester

        How bout they both elbow each other in the mouth. McGuire is pretty annoying too!

        • FistsofNeil25

          At least McGuire actually knows his shit though. Healy is the guy that said Datsyuk doesn’t have any god given talent lol

          • Sandy

            He actually said that? And he still has a job?

          • FistsofNeil25
          • sprucesens

            nice find. wow. don’t the hockey players routinely vote every year on who the best player is, and its fairly unanimous that its datsyuk? its ok, this guy is a montreal fan. that explains most of it

          • FistsofNeil25

            I’m pretty sure he’s a Leaf fan not a Hab fan. Trust me, if you’ve ever listened to him on the fan590, you’d know he’s a Leafer. He gushes on and on about how great they are.

            He did play for the Leafs as well after-all, and he works for the Leafs network (CBC).

          • sprucesens

            ahh, he seems to have a hard on for everyone but us, anyways.

  • SensFanInMTL
  • Sandy

    Saw an interesting comment on HB on the Yost article..

    Not sure why some are thinking the Sens won’t get much for Spezza when the Wings gave Eaves, Jarnkrok and a 2nd rounder for 2 months of David (frank)ing Legwand

    • FistsofNeil25

      Well we’ll get batter than Eaves (4th liner), Jarnkrok (B level prospect) and a 2nd.

      I still think most expect a top six forward, B prospect and a 1st

      • Sandy

        The point is, lots of Oiler, Leaf, etc fans were saying the Sens weren’t going to get much for Spezza because he is a rental.

      • Tooks

        Yep, mid level players and prospects seems about right. ANA still seems like the best trading partner…

  • Phoenix

    What was said during after 40

    • Sandy

      Nothing that we didn’t already know. That Spezza wants out and Murray doesn’t want to trade him.

    • Tooks

      Not much interest in Spezza right now, which is nromal, teams want to wait to see what happens July 1st. Murray says offers not what he envisioned getting for Spezza.

  • Sandy

    The Rangers are playing with fire. Nash, stupid play..
    Thank god, the Sens didn’t get him.

    Rangers outshot 14-1 in the 3rd. That’s hard to defend..
    I want another hockey game. Hoping Rangers win..

  • Sandy

    Tough game for the Rangers, but they got it done.
    What’s it like to have goaltending like Quick & Lundqvist?

  • FistsofNeil25

    LA Kings up 3 games to 1 over Henrik Lundqvist. Shots were 41-19 for the Kings.

  • Tony

    Small Edmonton Update… first the no brainer… talk amongst the staff is that Edmonton is indeed on Spezza’s no trade list. Rumours are that they’re making one last effort and have asked BM if MacT can talk to Spezza

    • Tony

      hehehe I can just see how that conversation would go….

      Spezza: “I dont know man…. I cant take getting the heat when the club loses”
      MacT “Then you’ll fit in!!! No one expects us to win games!”

      • sprucesens

        haha nice. i live here too and would maybe even cheer for the oilers sometimes. who am i kidding, no i wouldn’t. lol. this just sounds like its setting up for another heatley situation. If the oil offered eberle, or something else considerable, i wonder if BM does ask, and if spezza takes one for the team

        • FistsofNeil25

          Saw an Oiler fan on another site say Gagner+3rd overall+Moroz for Spezza lol done deal!

          • sprucesens

            yeah, i’d take that. one of bennett, reinhart or ekblad and those 2, would be a steal. I actually can see that as a realistic offer. Gagner fills the gap in 2 or 3C. Moroz at most would be a 3rd line winger on the oilers, but has a chance at 2nd here. The 3rd overall gets us a top player. Done deal. Drop to your knees and beg spezza, murray!

          • FistsofNeil25

            lol it just goes to show how widely varying opinions there are of Spezza’s trade value. Also saw a Hawks fan suggest Sharp+Leddy straight up for Spezza.

            We’ll never know until the actual trade offers get leaked out and we here what players and teams Murray’s discussing with. All we can do until then is continue to speculate.

          • sprucesens

            yeah, ain’t it fun! i hope NHL 15 has an improved trade system. So if i post a trade, the computer comes up with an alternate trade, similar to what the player can do, when the PC proposes a trade

        • Tony

          Dont see them moving Eberle unfortunately… But some staffers would love to see a Spezza/Cowen for Yakupov/Nurse deal

          • sprucesens

            What about spezza/cowen for Nuge.3rd overall?

          • sprucesens

            haha, i should clarify, i tried making deals with friends at the start of the year. Before bad play for all. It was spezza, cowen, anderson for Nuge and Eberle.

          • Tony

            I thought of that also and my brother-inlaw just said “aint gonna happen”

          • sprucesens

            yeah, sounds like gagner is the man on the outs. oh well. not much use in pining over it, as spezza likely won’t go there. They’d look ridiculous if ekblad dropped to 3rd.

    • Frank

      Will they fly him to Edmonton and wine and dine him? lol

      • Tony

        I’m from Edmonton and have a friend and brother in-law who work for Rexall place

  • Cicero
  • Brutus5247

    Well Jason,you act and play like a pussy! People blame you cuz your a floater, a ROVER to us older guys. Play a solid 200ft and nobody blames you. Minus 24 sucks Jason! Arrivaderci!

    • sprucesens

      i suppose you complained during all his plus seasons too when he still played less than stellar defensively? Yes there are many reasons to criticize his game, but the problem is, like you just proved, the games were blamed on him. He’s only one guy. It takes a team to win, and many players can make multiple mistakes on any given shift. I imagine it sucks doing “your job” and having hundreds of thousands of people watching and critiquing your every move. I can’t stand when even one person watches me work.

      Having said all that, i’m excited to see what the return will be and feel its time to close the door on our old core group of players, and gear up for our next run in a few years. Should be fun

  • AutoTurris

    Don’t know if this has been said but I feel like making it public that Spezza wants out will diminish his return THEREFORE does that not indicate that a deal has been done? That’s what I feel like is going on. A deal is done, waiting to be announced and so Murray lets this slip that he wants out so the Spezza lovers aren’t in an uproar come the trade announcement. Does this seem feasible to you guys? It’s the best case scenario I’m hoping for I know that.

    • ProfessorPower

      I think so too..its been known for a while now, I don’t think it is a mistake it become official just now. GM meeting is a good time to seal a deal.

      • jimmyjohnson

        no.

        it’s not.

    • WaitingSince92

      Either that or he knows from being on the phones that there’s too much interest to diminish his trade value.

    • jimmyjohnson

      why would someone in Murray’s position seal a deal 2 weeks before the draft? How does that make sense??? 2 teams rumoured to be interested in (everyone) him are still playing.

      They don’t have a deal done. I don’t know why he’s saying this, but it’s not because the deal is done.

  • WaitingSince92

    Sounds like Murray was really buttering up the fans when he said he doesn’t expect to get full value for Spezza. Still, I would be happy with a good player and a good prospect, instead of the player/pick/prospect package he seems to be advertising, which is really an ‘O.B.O.’

  • sprucesens

    i think the biggest tweet to pay attention to is, spezza wants out because of being blamed too often when the club doesn’t win. Its big for 2 reasons. One, thanks media, thats on you. As much as fans want to blab and complain about it, only the media can really reach the player, unless fans boo at the games. But, that ship has sailed. The more important thing from that tweet, is that he won’t be going to a canadian team, or big market teams. He wants to go somewhere where he’s anonymous and isn’t the go to guy. Or if he is, once he leaves the building, he won’t have to worry about media so much. Contending might not be his biggest draw if this is the case. However teams that want him, are likely close. So for the most part, the teams that are rumored to be interested, all pretty much fit the bill.

  • the dude

    Holy Negativity Batman!!!
    After reading parts of this comment section, I don’t blame Spezza at all, for wanting to leave. All this negative judging towards people the most of you probably never even met in person before. All the high point producing players in the league have a high amount of giveaways… And I don’t think Bryan Murray is acting in desperation, or doing this to warn the fans that a trade is done. I think he’s making a smart move by announcing he has some “serious offers”. That doesn’t mean at all that those offers are shitty, maybe he’s fishing to see if he can get a bigger offer. Is that not a fucking possibility????

  • jimmyjohnson

    “I don’t want to trade the guy, really, and I know I won’t get the value, in all likelihood, that I should get for him,” Murray said. “But I think that Jason feels maybe there’s a change that he would like to have happen, and if that’s the case we’ll try to do what we can.”

    Is he going senile?

    Why THE !!!! is he coming out and saying this??? And why now?

    This isn’t rocket science. Ignore anything about how he feels, tell him to keep quiet, and tell the world (nothing at all) that your management team is looking at all options. Then tell other teams that you’re shifting focus to the young core. Tell East teams they have to pay more.

    This is easy.

    Why is he saying any of this??

    I’ve avoided the “‘Fire Murray’ bandwagon” for a long time, but this is exactly the type of crap that would put me over the edge.

    They do a lot of good with their drafting and developmenylt, but they do a lot of dumb ”” otherwise. I’m pretty sick of hearing anything management or ownership has to say. They should just stfu about every possible topic. Talk about the weather or something… god!

    • FistsofNeil25

      lol my thoughts exactly! This is the same type of PR bullshit he pulled with the Heatley trade as well.

      Why on earth would you ever come out and say “I know I’m not going to get
      full value for the guy”??? Well the answer is simple, to let the fans temper the expectations of the return.

      If you’re trying to sell a player to the rest of the league, you don’t publicly throw him under the bus at the end of the season for his lack of leadership, and you
      sure as hell don’t leak the reasons why he wants out, because it just makes Spezza look like a pussy which he isn’t.

      You’re right, this isn’t rocket science and Murray knows what he’s doing. His comments yesterday have PR damage control written all over it. By telling us he wants to keep Spezza but Spezza wants to move on is pretty much taking
      the blame off of himself or the team and placing it solely on Spezza. By saying he knows he won’t get full value, he’s seen the offers and knows that no one is desperate enough to add Spezza for the price we’re
      expected.

      I love how people can come to the conclusion that
      Murray must have already sealed a deal on a trade but how does that MAKE
      ANY SENSE?!?!?! You never seal the deal on a trade until you make a
      trade call to the league. Either team can back out until then. Other
      offers can come in. If a deal was sealed with another GM, the trade
      would be announced, it’s a pretty simple concept to understand right?

  • OleHeaveHoFlipperoooni

    Wow,,,, some of this is really tough to read. The negativity and senseless comments… uggghhhhh. Worrying EK is going to split next, Worrying the teams going to move out of Ottawa???? Gimme a MotherEffing break.

    BM has his plan, and part of it happened yesterday when he went and publicly announced he was shopping Spezz. He knew the gm meetings were coming up, and knew long before yesterday that he was going to come out and publicly announce it June 11th. He has been approached here and there after the season finished, and simply beat around the bush. None of this is shocking or surprising to me, and it shouldn’t be to you guys

    Spezz’s time in Ottawa in my opinion is simply UP!!… it happens in Pro sports with star players, and it will happen again. Sometimes players just need a change. Sometimes teams just need a change. Both apply here,, and more. I personally defended Spezz his whole career in Ottawa, and defended his getting the Captaincy to the Haters. That was the last straw though, at 30 years old he couldn’t grasp being a Captain in the NHL and lead by example… He couldn’t bring his game to the next level and use the C as a stepping stone, as inspiration. He’d never really score the clutch goal either.

    Shit I can go on and on, but all in all, I’m excited to see this team post Spezza. Zbad is underrated, Pageau won’t have to worry about playing with Kassian anymore, Turry is ready to be a #1 Center, Hoffman IS a C if need be, Lazar could bust in, Smitty hold his own as 3rd, SDC is unpredictable, and we could land a 1-2 line center in the Spezz trade or potentially even an Andy trade. So I’m playing the wait and see approach with confidence and faith in BM.

    • Harv

      There certainly is a lot of negativity to be found here. But, build on the positive for a change.

      Things don’t happen in a vacuum. Murray would have to be the dullest knife in the drawer to make a public statement without having discussed that with Spezza. I would think he has some options in place already and it was time to make public what everyone knew anyway. Not keeping Spezza in no way equates to Heatly leaving or to Alfie leaving in my opinion. Heatly came out of nowhere and publicly demanded a trade. He screwed Ottawa by limiting the trade options. Alfie was mismanaged but we do not know what the three principals thought or assumed. In retrospect it looks like nothing more than a major clusterf–k where signals got crossed and assumptions were incorrect. I suspect all three parties can look back and see errors they made. Some here would offer Alfie $8M for a year. Now, that would be an error.

      Spezza has tremendous skill but he has decided to limit his game to one end of the rink. Is there anyone who thinks he couldn’t be an outstanding two way player if he wished? When your top player basically says, screw your system, I am not playing it – he has to move on or you have to change the system. I hope Spezza does well and I will tune in whatever team he plays for – but, it is time for the Sens to move on.

      Hand wringing over the loss of Ryan and Karlson – what? They are still here and signed? Who knew. Imaginary trades and then harpooning imaginary trades as if they were actually planned or completed trades. Come on folks, let’s give the hockey people a chance here.

      I look at the Sens roster and see all sorts of positives. Can Cowen really be as bad as he looked last year? I doubt it and look forward to a rebound. If he does rebound and gain some confidence he would be a great partner for Karlson. Ceci, Boro and Claesson? All looks good for the next few years. Sure there will be growing pains and maybe that is why we still have Phillips – to offer some mentoring and experience. As much as I hated that contract, I am going to assume that Phillips knows his role.

      Our forwards have all sort of potential – much more than some of the non-Sens who have been proposed here as attractive trade possibilities. I think DaCosta is being undervalued here as is Hoffman. I think Z’Bad, Hoffman and Stone may give us a surprising energetic and effective line. What’s wrong with telling them they have half a year to gel? Ryan. Mac and Turris should stay together. Can’t believe how many people want to sign Ryan as a club leader and then pull him off the Turris line.

      Trade Prince? Not on my team. I would keep him. Trade Boro? Not on my team. He is the next Neil.

      The Sens may not make the playoffs next year but I see them as a fun team to watch and a place to watch future stars grow and mature.

      Bring it on Sens!

    • Sandy

      Murray should have kept his mouth shut yesterday. That’s what I’m pissed at.

  • SensChirp

    Nice to see a few new faces in this comment section with a more optimistic view of things. Keep it up!

  • Pasky

    That whole interview to me says that he has a deal right now that’s basically the lowest deal we would take, and now he’s going out to push others to up the ante.

    “I don’t want to trade the guy, really, and I know I won’t get the value, in all likelihood that I should get for him, but I think that Jason feels maybe there’s a change that he would like to have happen, and if that’s the case we’ll try to do what we can.”

    This to me shows that he’s telling other teams that he doesn’t necessarily have to trade Spezza if their offers suck, even if it’s a lie he’s gotta make it look like trading him isn’t the only option here.

    “Obviously I’d like to win a hockey game next year, so getting a player back that can play in the league, that has played in the league, would be important,”

    And this quote to me says that he has a deal just like the Bobby Ryan right now. He probably has his 1st and a prospect but the main player in the deal might be similar to Silfverberg, where he has yet to prove to be able to consistently play in a top 6 role.

  • BeJamin

    The offers are clearly lacking. That’s why there is so much PR on Spezza. The deal is going to royally suck for us.

    • Tooks

      Thats what happens when you overvalue our players and expect a King’s ransom. We will get a good deal, that works for us, any of the guys I mentioned in ANA would be great.

  • Kielbasa

    It’s hard to watch this team unfold over the past couple of years and remain a positive fan. No wonder fans are banging their heads against the walls right now. This team has done very little to move forward in a positive direction and are taking a massive step back in its rebuild.

    The Sens were once an organization termed elite. Players were excited to join this organization. That is history. The Sens are slowly becoming the Florida Panthers of the north where we are becoming a revolving door of has beens and third/fourth liners. With the roster moving forward, we will be lucky to have a solid 2nd line, and three 3rd lines. That’s going to be some very “exciting” hockey. I can’t wait to see the front of the CTC with the banners of Ottawa’s elite players drawing in the full capacity crowds…Colin Greening, Zach Smith, Eric Condra.

    What, in all honesty, is going to keep players like Bobby Ryan or Clarke MacArthur around after this coming season? Or what will lure key players to join this team and want to stick around? Seriously, what does Ottawa have to offer right now? An owner with the inability to ice a competitive team because he is either to cheap or to poor? A GM who is handcuffed to do his job because of an obtrusive and poor owner? Local media and fans that are quick to bury its elite players until they are run out of town?

    GO SENS GO! This is going to be a great $#@%ing season coming up. I hope I am pleasantly surprised with the direction things are going in.

  • BeJamin

    I don’t blame Spezza at all. He’s leaving because of Eugene. He just won’t say that publicly. Alfie was first, many will follow. Our team is screwed until the owner changes his toon or gets the hell out of dodge. If we can’t get Ryan signed then things are going to fall apart quickly and we really should trade veterans and tank. Eichel or McDavid will be the only way out of this mess if Ryan refuses to sign.

  • OleHeaveHoFlipperoooni

    We were an Alfredsson away from making the playoffs last year. I don’t think we’re that bad. I’d like to think these guys have pride and are/were completely embarrassed on more than a few nights last year. I’d like to think they learned from their mistakes. The core of the team ain’t half bad, our cupboards pretty decent. It could be MUCH worse!

    With a few pieces our team and core won’t be half bad anymore in my opinion. It will be pretty damn good!

    • Laurence Babchyuk

      God that’s a good news ! I think that we have a very good hockey club and depending on what we get in return for spezza… We will automatically get better and be pesky again. Remember what we did during the 5 games that both Spezza and Phillips were hurt ? We won those 5 games with peskyness. Zbad was flourishing as a #2 center. Spezza comes back…. Boom we’re a 500 club.

      This club needs a leader a the lazyest player on the club wasn’t IT. Give the C to karlsson, or Neil give the A to turris and trade away Phillips then boom we are a 2nd round or better team !

      This team is really really close to be great, remember at thebbeginning of the season some experts were saying that we would be a top team in the east. I say we are a winger and a defence away from that… Something that spezza would help to get by getting out.

      • Michenator

        Lots of maturing was done last season. I agree with most of what you said, unfortunately though at this point Chris Phillips is staying, him as a 7th defence man is fine with me and I think it’s important for a team to have class and let the franchise players finish with their franchise(Alfie lesson).

        I think we should all be very excited and optimistic about this team. If we can get a decent return from Spezza, then we are gonna be exactly what you said, PESKY!!! More physical, faster, 200 feet being played consistently every game.

        SO EXCITED FOR DRAFT DAY!!!!

        • Laurence Babchyuk

          I’m sooo excited too lol !!
          I know that Phillips will stay, but there’s a Huge difference between Alfy and Phillips. The fans loved Alfy…. Nobody loves Phillips.

          I really don’t get the pessimist idea of some fans right now. We are about to get the exciting PESKY team of the club that made the playoffs and beat the Habs without there main forewards…. Add to that maturity and a few key pieces that spezza will bring in return… Add to that Ryan ( we must sign him )

          This is a good club about to get great

      • ChampIsHere

        But we also won games once Spezza turned it up with Hemsky .. I really don’t think we can be BETTER losing half our top 6.

  • Dirk-Diggler

    Spezza traded for Josi + pick

    Richards signed close to $4M

    Ottawa Senators 14-15

    FORWARDS

    Clarke MacArthur ($3.250m) / Kyle Turris ($3.500m) / Bobby Ryan ($5.100m)

    Mark Stone ($0.603m) / Mika Zibanejad ($0.894m) / Mike Richards ($3.853m—33.00%)

    Erik Condra ($1.250m) / Stephane Da Costa ($1.250m) / Mike Hoffman ($1.250m)

    Colin Greening ($2.650m) / Zack Smith ($1.888m) / Chris Neil ($1.900m)

    Jean-Gabriel Pageau ($0.613m) /

    DEFENSEMEN

    Roman Josi ($4.000m) / Erik Karlsson ($6.500m)

    Marc Methot ($3.000m) / Jared Cowen ($3.100m)

    Patrick Wiercioch ($2.000m) / Cody Ceci ($0.894m)

    Chris Phillips ($2.500m) /

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    Craig Anderson ($3.188m)

    Robin Lehner ($2.250m)

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    • Laurence Babchyuk

      Looks good to me – Richards he’s a centermen, we need 2 wingers for the #2 line. I’m not convinced that stone can play in the nhl. Other then that, I like the line you did… The defence looks great with Phillips as a #7 and the goalies are strong.

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  • Dirtysweetness

    Anyone else hear Pierre Mcguire this morning? He mentioned a rumour regarding Dallas potentially offering Dillion/Dailey, Chaission and a pick. Um…yes?

    • FistsofNeil25

      Is that a rumor? I saw a Stars fan from HF boards yesterday say Dillon+Chaisson+2nd but I didn’t think it was a rumor.

      I like that package, especially with Dillon as the main piece. If we add Dillon, we’re going to have to move out two of our current dmen.

    • Tooks

      I wouldnt put too much stock into what McGuire says, there’s a reason no team wants him as GM.

      Daley has a limited NTC, and as usual, we are probably on his no trade list, lol.

      Dillon would be great but he would be my 3rd option after Shattenkirk and Josi.

      Chiasson could help our bottom 6 immediately but shouldnt we go after a top 6?

    • Frank

      Reply with Spezza + Gryba for Dillon, Chiasson and this year’s 1st rd pick and make the deal

    • Don Ciccio

      No he was just responding to a question that JR asked him regarding Dallas being one of the rumoured deals. He said that any deal with Dallas would have to at least include Dillon and a pick.

    • esk

      dillion is supposedly captain material..next hatcher..does that mean cowen is out though?

  • A-Train

    Wow. So much to unpack here over the last little while. Like a lot of people I’m a bit surprised by how much Murray chose to reveal yesterday. He may be trying to stoke the market a bit…but he’s clearly also firing up the “players want out of Ottawa” narrative.

    Bottom line: all franchises ebb and flow. The Senators rode an up-cycle for a decade and now we’re seeing the other side. The team’s not moving and it will be competitive again. In the meantime let’s enjoy the drama of a big trade and the excitement of watching prospects get a shot.

    • esk

      Great point!

  • esk

    MENDES: THE INEVITABLE BREAKUP BETWEEN SENATORS AND SPEZZA: http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=454646

    • esk

      ” To suggest that he doesn’t have the mental toughness to handle a Canadian market is completely erroneous. The guy just spent 11 years in this market, was a point-a-game producer and wanted to be named the captain of this team 10 months ago.”

  • esk

    Great question on tsn… “why is ottawa so bad at handling player exits? … yashin, alfie, redden, chara, spezza, heatly, hossa, etc.

    • Sandy

      Don’t group Yashin into this. He’s just a greedy SOB. Alfie was all on Melnyk. Redden wouldn’t take 3.5M went for the money, and he really regretted that. Chara was a huge mistake by a bad GM. Heatley quit on the team because of his playing time. Hossa another huge mistake by a stupid GM.