Monday News and Notes

SensChirp July 14, 2014 634
Monday News and Notes

It’s safe to say the NHL off season is officially upon us. With all due respect to Derek Grant, when he gets three days as the top story on SensChirp, you know things have started to go silent.

While most of the items on the off season To-Do list have been crossed off, there are a few loose ends that still need to be tied up. A few quick notes on the remaining topics of conversation when it comes to the Ottawa Senators.

-Nothing new on the Bobby Ryan front so far. The Senators would obviously like to get something done with Ryan and towards the end of last season anyway, Ryan felt the same way. With that said, there really hasn’t been much discussion to this point. Back on July 1st I was told that Ryan was taking a “wait and see” approach to an extension. We aren’t at the point where we should be hitting the panic button just yet but the longer this drags on with no news, the more concerning it becomes.

-Still no additional details on the mystery trade either. I do get the sense that Ottawa is still working on something but obviously it’s nowhere near as imminent as it appeared to be back on July 1st. Chris Stewart is the name that comes up most often but that is mostly a result of rumours linking the two teams around last year’s trade deadline. Things look kind of crowded on the right side already though so it’s hard to tell where Stewart fits.

-Robin Lehner needs a new contract but there hasn’t been a whole lot of news on this front either. It’s kind of a tricky contract to figure out. Lehner is certainly the back up on paper right now but with Craig Anderson entering the final year of his deal, the reigns will be turned over to Lehner in the near future. The two year bridge contract makes the most sense here but we know the two sides are discussing a number of different options.

-Things are looking pretty crowded for the Senators up front right now. While they lack high-end talent, there are about 15 NHL players pushing for the 12 forward spots on the roster. There are also 8 defenceman fighting for the six blueline spots. Obviously that mystery deal could be one way to move some bodies out but it’s pretty clear they need to make room somehow. Colin Greening’s name came up on July 1st. Ottawa tried to move him on a few occasions last season but there wasn’t a whole lot of interest.

  • BeJamin

    I’ve been told it’s unlikely Ryan will sign from some contacts in the know. You yourself have reported that the front office was 50/50 split before the draft. Half adamant that he was staying and the other half just as fiercely certain he was walking. And then the draft happened and you said most were floating the the side of him leaving. Ottawa should obviously be willing to give good money and term, so what’s left to negotiate? The only thing that could be holding up a deal would be exact details being hammered out (seems unlikely this would take that long) or Ryan having thoughts of leaving for another team because frankly with Ottawa the writing is on the wall. If he’s not giving us a firm “Yes, I’m staying and I want to be here long term” then you’ve got to trade him before the season starts. Give the team another 1st in a great draft, hopefully a good young player like Silfverberg & a real shot at Eichel or McDavid. All that would be left to do is see if MacArthur wants to extend and if not he’s shipped out too, probably to a contending team for a low first.

    • Frankie Fives

      I’m ok with dealing Ryan as his value is very good right now. He’d fetch a 1st and a good prospect at the very least. If MacArthur refuses to sign, then we know this team is in deep trouble. He raved about how much he loves it here and he’s fit in nicely in PMac’s system. If he wants to walk, that means there’s a crapload of issues behind closed doors

      • http://www.Merchaholic.ca Merchaholic

        I really hope that doesn’t happen. Hopefully MacArthur signs an extension soon-ish and puts our wandering minds at ease a bit.

      • peetypuck

        If they leave there will be openings for Lazar and Peumple next fall.

    • TookieIs100PercentRight

      A+ post but not sure the populace is going to buy into a tank after Murray said this team isn’t in a rebuild. If Ryan wants to sign in Philly as a free agent (he has a relationship with Clarke) then that makes things ever dicier.
      TOOKS100% OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Lemondish

      If this organization decides to tank shortly after saying that the rebuild is over, then I hope it also means we get a new GM, a new coach, and trade away EK65 and Turris. Another 3-5 years of this shit before even contending in the playoffs again would just waste them. As much as I love seeing them in Sens jerseys, I want to see them win and reach their potential. If things are this bad with management, then I have no problem writing the team off completely and coming back when they either move cities or find new management because this is bullshit.

      • http://www.Merchaholic.ca Merchaholic

        Awwww…

  • http://www.Merchaholic.ca Merchaholic

    OMG!! I’ve been refreshing constantly for the last 4 days waiting on a new post… I even forgot to read this one… brb.

  • http://www.Merchaholic.ca Merchaholic

    What if the “MYSTERY DEAL” is actually a deal involving RYAN?! AHHHH!!! Could I of just cracked the case? We all know that if Ottawa comes out of the gate not being able to compete this season he is bye bye right?

    • Brock

      No.

    • Jakester

      Yeah but then you’ll possibly get more pieces coming for Ottawa – making the SENS surplus of players even more Ridiculous!

      • http://www.Merchaholic.ca Merchaholic

        I hear you on that one. Just package Smith, Greening, Phillips & Neil with him and get Giroux. ;)

        • Lemondish

          Worst. Trade. Ever.

          • Guest

            :/

  • donney

    Internal budget will do that.

    • Senatollah

      will do what? an internal budget doesn’t have you over commit to players. Should be the other way around. Carry 12 forwards, 6 defenders, 2 goalies and only call up from the minors when needed. maybe carry 21 instead of 22.

  • RUSH RLZ

    This is going to be one looooooong summer. I’m hating it already (from a hockey perspective only I mean.)

  • Max2166

    Thanks for the update Chirp. Very quiet on the Sens front. I received my half-season schedule on Friday. Can’t wait for October to arrive.

  • spezzerman

    rookie tournament starts in less than 2 months! *sobs hysterically*

  • Floridasensfan

    Ryan and Spezza leaving in the same season would be brutal.
    Ryan has BM by the balls from a negotiating standpoint.

  • sens_bud

    Edgy times for the sens right now. Not sure if summer is the reason for the lack of detail leakage, but as fans we are usually spoiled with the amount of insider info we get before stuff goes down.

    If Ryan signs, which is what I want to happen, great. If not Hopefully we can get a good young (21-24) prospect and a first round next year and stock up the prospect pool once again. I’ve gone back and fourth but I think Methot and Mac should be kept regardless. Need to win a few games this year to keep the likes of Karlson and Turry happy, as well as not ruining our goalies. They both at times seemed to have their confidence and moral run down last year.

    • Tooks

      Only wins will keep Karlsson and Turris happy, Turris I’m not sure would leave, he’s not the strong type to battle management, he looks like a yes man… Karlsson on the other hand has plenty of ego and if he could go elsewhere and win, he would do it in a heartbeat, especially with all his buddies gone.

      • TookieIs100PercentRight

        Bang on Tooks! I will say though that Turris had some issues with Arizone management in the day, but that he’s been a consummate pro here. Agree on Karlsson, I see him walking if the team keeps sucking.
        TOOKS100% OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Phil

    I would be shocked if Ryan signs with our team. Not to be pessimistic but lets face it, Ottawa for now is just not sexy for young top U.F.As. Not like in 2005-06 seasons where we had a very good core, an identity and we were a atop contender. We are officially in a full rebuild and theres nothing wrong with that. I’m sure Murray didn’t low ball Ryan on an extension in the last 15 days. The fact he hasn’t signed yet, to me means he can’t wait for next summer to sign in Philly or NY. Trade him now for the best return and move on.

  • Spoons

    The exodus will keep getting worst.
    2013 – Alfie
    2014 – Spezza
    2015 – Ryan
    2016 – Karlsson

    Something needs to be done for the Sens to keep their star players and is HAS TO start with Ryan! Otherwise, why would Karlsson want to stay here?

    • Long Time Lurker

      “The sky is falling”
      C. Little

    • Sensnation

      2017 – Spartacat
      2018 – Slewidge

      Sky is falling!

  • MethotToMyMadness

    Dudes and Dudettes, we need to relax on the Bobby R signing thing. I know we want something to talk about, but let’s not get worked up over something that has plenty of time to be completed. Chirp said himself, “Back on July 1st I was told that Ryan was taking a “wait and see” approach to an extension.”

    Let’s do exactly that, let’s wait and see. Ok, so what else can us Sens fans discuss that provides some optimism??

    • sens_bud

      We got 231 games played and 64 points and counting out of a late 7th round draft pick in Erik Condra, while only paying him just under 5 mil to date….

    • Pasky

      Karlsson isn’t a free agent till 2019 :)

      All kidding aside, I think this team will have some sort of bounce back next season. 2 years ago everyone with the team played better than expected, and last year most players regressed. This team is still very young and we have a terrific up an coming core, regardless if Ryan resigns or not. No we won’t win the cup in the next 2-3 years but quite frankly the league has shifted for anyone having a shot at winning to having a couple of elite teams and the rest. (LA, Chicago, Boston, St-Louis)

      As long as we go into the season expecting the team to give 110% every game then I’ll be happy regardless of the results.

      • Tooks

        “As long as we go into the season expecting the team to give 110% every game then I’ll be happy regardless of the results.”

        Stupidest thing ever…dont settle for mediocrity…keep cheering blindly only hurts the team.

      • Lemondish

        This team is mediocre at best. We have a young core filled with 3rd and 4th liners or bottom pairing D. We have no money, no future past these prospects, no hope in hell to sign strong talent, and shoddy management.

    • Andrews theory

      right so he’s waiting to see what exactly? Pretty sure he’s waiting on what Alfie and Spezza wanted out for.

      Just putting yourself in Ryan’s shoes with a chance at picking his destination based on bidding price and desireablity of the city, would you forfeit that to re-sign here?

      eesh, people are right to be nervous. the longer this goes the more likely it is he’s looking for a massive pay day next July.

    • Sandy

      The wait and see was probably what Murray was going to do in way of bringing in new players.
      This has me concerned big time.
      Losing Ryan by having to trade him will be a PR nightmare for this team one that they may not recover from.

      • Harv

        Losing Alfie was a PR nightmare. Losing Heatley was a PR nightmare. Losing Spezza was a PR nightmare. Losing Ryan (which we have not done yet) is a PR nightmare. Ryan won’t sign right now – PR nightmare.

        Come on. Hyberole, Sandy.

        Bad news, maybe, but we are still here, we are still standing, we will survive.

        Repeat after me, “The Sens will survive”.

        • Lemondish

          Not bloody likely.

          I didn’t buy season tickets this year and neither did my closest mates. We’re in a wait and see approach, too. We’re waiting to see if other like minded fans intended to show Melnyk that we don’t like being dicked around.

          • wild bill

            Lot of people are pissed

    • Lemondish

      Waiting until the season starts risks injury to Ryan. If he won’t sign, get him the fuck out of here, fire BM, and we can move on from this terrible period of management.

  • SensChirp

    I wonder if the Senators would consider adding someone to the front office at some point. Tim Murray left and was not replaced. And now Bryan Murray will be taking some time away while he receives treatment.

    Dorion and Lee are both great at what they do but this is a lot for two guys to take on so soon.

    • Phil.

      Shero?

      • zippy

        Thats the first name I thought of

    • Andrews theory

      they’ve been lean on backend staff for a long time at some point you gotta think he (you know who) realizes they are under staffed and call in some cavalry.

    • Sandy

      Costs money Chirp. Don’t see it.

    • Rafi Bomb

      Bryan Murray seems to have a strong standing in the hockey community so he may have some friends or associates that might be willing to help out with the operations until he is healthy.

      Other potential options:

      Pierre McGuire – he has been vying for a GM gig for years now so if there is an opportunity he will likely be trying to get it

      Brian Burke- Doubt he would leave the advisor job in Calgary, but given the opportunity he might feel that he can wing a cup here is he takes over the reigns

      Mark Messeri- He is being groomed to be a GM much like Yzerman was and could potentially move on to another organization in order to get a shot to run his own operation

      • Sensnation

        McGuire will likely never get another GM job. Everyone knows his scouting report is “This guy is a monster!”

        Brian Burke is the President of Hockey Operations for Calgary, not just an advisor.

        Mark Messier will come with too much baggage and media hoopla to just be a fill-in during these times.

        It’s the summer, I’m sure Dorion and Lee can get by. They may be new to their roles, but they are very familiar with the team, management and the expectations of BM as they have worked with him for quite some time now.

    • 010101111010101011110001100111

      Carleton U. MBA Interns – COME ON DOWN

  • Pasky

    In BM related news there’s a great article written about him by former player and referee Paul Stewart. I always like reading his stories as it gives an inside view on what goes on in the mind of both a referee and a player, and he’s pretty honest about things which is also nice to hear.

    http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Paul-Stewart/Godspeed-to-Bryan-Murray/196/61307

    • Sandy

      That was a very good article.

  • Cicero

    Things I’ve learned from the comment section of this blog:

    1. Mark Stone is a proven NHL 2nd line RW.
    2. Mika Zibanejad is a proven NHL Top 4 C.
    3. The Sens can get through a season with only one NHL goalie.
    4. Curtis Lazar. Anything I say about him cannot be enough.
    5. Melynk is the most miserly rich Canadian and one of the worst NHL owners (even though he saved the team from bankruptcy)
    6. Colin Greening is valued at less than a bag of pucks.
    7. All of the top young stars in the league can be coerced to come to Ottawa, given enough quantity in return to the other team.
    8. It is inevitable that Bobby Ryan and Erik Karlsson will flee the Sens at the first opportunity.
    9. It is in fact not a bad choice to trade 2 of tomorrow’s Top 4 D for 1 of today’s Top 4 D.
    10. Fans know more than Melnyk when it comes to payroll management.
    11. There are some universes in which Alfie wants to come back to play for the Sens, and this blog intersects with some of those universes.
    12. Curtis Lazar is a 6′ Brendan Gallagher. Curtis Lazar will wear the ‘C’. Curtis Lazar will lead the Sens to the Cup.
    13. Brendan Gallagher is a 0.5PPG player.
    14. Any of the Western teams (other than the Kings), to improve, must forfeit one of their top young forwards for Sens prospects, an unproven defenceman, and a pick.
    15. We need to jettison: Greening, Condra, Smith, Phillips.
    16. We need character players. Hard working fighters who are tenacious and demonstrate steady effort.
    17. Greening, Condra, Smith, and Phillips seem to lack the skill we’re looking for, but they make up for the defecit through hard work, tenacity, fight, teamwork, and consistency.
    18. So we need character players.
    19. Curtis Lazar has character. Everyone knows this.
    20. Tooks.

    • Harv

      I believe that sums it up nicely.

    • RUSH RLZ

      Wow. 16/20 is a lot better than I did in high school. Great job!

    • Pasky

      Now we compare this list to reality and see just how many apply. I think #2 is pretty bang on as Zib has proven to be a capable C in this league.

      #9 isn’t that bad for this team as we have too many bodies on the back end anyways, although it all depends on the pieces coming and going. For example, if Methot doesn’t want to resign with us (insert doom and gloom lol) then packaging him and Weircioch for a young proven Top 4, to me isn’t a bad choice at all. Would a team make that deal is another question.

      #13 is correct although I must have missed that conversation.

      #17 isn’t completely wrong as having these players in the lineup isn’t the bad part. The bad part is having them play 15 minutes a game. Keep them in the 8-10 minute range and I have no issues having them in the lineup. Although part of the inflated minutes last season was probably due to the parade to the penalty box that we had throughout the year. Discipline should be #1 priority going into next year.

      #20 Obviously

    • 010101111010101011110001100111

      MELNYK DID NOT SAVE THE TEAM FROM BANKRUPTCY
      It was saved by the NHL who put it into bankruptcy protection.
      EM was just the winning bidder for a good sports team deal.

      • Sandy

        …. that he’s turned into a former shell of itself.

        • Sensnation

          I don’t know if you remember what this team looked like during bankruptcy but it’s a lot better now than just a shell. I’d say those days were the shell of the current org and team.

  • s3nsfan

    Maybe I’m naive, maybe just don’t understand the inner workings of an NHL team, so if Bryan Murray is busy with his own fight at the moment, and Bobby Ryan is in Idaho, how do people expect him to actually sign the extension. Until he is traded or it comes out he doesn’t want to be here, let’s take a little step back and take a breath. Maybe there is an agreement in place to be signed when Ryan returns to the Nation’s Capital. Maybe?

    • Sandy

      It’s about discussions with his agent who would be in constant contact with Bobby.

  • Harv

    Wow, let the doom and gloom begin. Someone below suggested being optimistic. Seems to me that is a lot more healthy then the “sky is falling” and Ottawa sucks” philosophy which tends to permeate this site. So, here’s some optimism.

    First, let’s assume that team management actually knows what is going on and has a plan. I have run a business and one of the first things you do to be successful is to have contingency plans. If Ryan signs an extension, “A” happens. If Ryan does not sign, “B” happens. Either way, we have Ryan or a great return for Ryan from Philly. The same goes for McArthur although I would want him back – maybe even more than Ryan for his leadership skills.

    (And, let’s stop throwing the owner under the bus. Man, if Melnyk checks in here he must really be depressed.)

    Second, Turris and Karlson answer the challenge and take leadership of the team. Karlson gets the C and Turris gets an A as soon as it is available. Karlson recovers his jump and Turris becomes a more than dependable 1C. Z’Bad and Legwand more than cover 2C and 3C. Smith does his normal good job as a 4C. Stone and Z’Bad prove they belong and both get stronger as the year progresses. Hoffman starts to blossom, Greening bounces back to become a good hard working tough winger, Condra finds his shooting and scores 10. The pick ups from Dallas and the boys in Bingo prove to be the answer to at least two of our winger spots.

    Thirdly, on defence. Karlson, Methot become a strong first line D. Ceci continues to develop and gain confidence and Weircoch proves he can play in the NHL. Cowen bounces back, having something to prove and he and Gryba become best buddies. Phillips and Neil ask to play less to give the new guys a chance.

    Lastly, Lehner gets his bridge contract and proves that he can be a number 1. Anderson bounces back and we trade him at the end of the year for a strong back up goalie.

    The Senators make the playoffs, beat Philly and Ryan in the first round, take Montreal to 7 games before bowing out.

    There you go. Be optimistic. It is easy and makes you feel better.

    • SensChirp

      This whole post was filled with the most optimistic outlook possible and then you have it end with us losing to the Habs?!

      • Harv

        OK, I have added an amendment.

      • Zelle

        Which is odd because the Sens as they are can take the Habs no problem if they could keep a lead.

    • sens_bud

      Wouldnt mind seeing a sens – laughs series, given the outcome is sens on top. One thing I have no enjoyed over the last years is the sens lack of success against the laughs. I think this new look team so to speak, will have a new attitude towards the games and hopefully will be able to come out on top more often then not. With the cherry on top us beating them in the playoffs.

    • Murray_is_a_GENIUS

      Being right makes me feel better than being wrong, and being a realist/pessimist means I am right more often than not.

  • Phil

    I am concerned with our management situation. We lost Peter Chiarelli and Tim Murray and now our president and GM is battling cancer. This off season is crucial to our future. The Ryan signing, Lehner signing, what to do with to many third liners and our same average defense. Wasn’t Lee hired as the team physical trainer? I might be wrong. Every team has retired nhl players or coaches on their management. The president and GM shouldn’t be the same person. The assistant GM should be hired by the President so he’s not a yes man to the GM. He’s there to help, push and usually replace the GM. If we’re in a rebuild it should also start at the top.

    • sens_bud

      I think he started in the strength and conditioning/ prospect development area. Has since worked into more of a hockey operations role and now AGM.

    • whammer44

      I tend to agree with this…you can also look at Kekalainen and Shero as previous Assistants who moved on. Pretty impressive group. Dorion is a quality hockey guy but I’m not sold on Lee.

      With BM being close to retirement, I would love to see the Sens bring in an experienced hockey guy, like Shero so there is a fluid succession plan in place.

      • Not Eugene Melnyk

        Just curious, what about Lee don’t you like or aren’t you sold on? Is it that Dorion is more vocal with the media and you maybe just aren’t as knowledgeable on Lee?

        It seems to me like it would be hard for a fan to have a good perspective on what his exact responsibilities are.

        • whammer44

          I have some personal knowledge. Don’t feel he is of the same quality of Dorion and Murray.

    • Phil.

      Curious to see why you think Assist Gms would be yes men. Many/most have designated areas of work/expertise (contracts, cap, AHL, etc), they’re not just general “helpers”.

      • Phil

        Because a couple of years ago on TSN Reporters they talked about the subject and I never forgot how they had a point. Some GMs like to have a my way or the highway attitude and just look at some of the management we’ve lost over the last 5 years. Compared to successful teams in the NHL we are a little thin in management. Go Sens GO

    • Harv

      Take my name. I do not ever want to be GM of any team for which you are president.

      You are going to hire my assistants? Not in this lifetime. My assistants owe their job and are loyal to the president while I carry the can of accountability? Not in this lifetime.

      • Phil

        You make a good point and I also agree with you but the bottom line is as a GM you do “carry the can of accountability” and on average are given 5 to 8 years to win and that’s why most GMs in the league rarely stay in one place for more than 6 years and after being fired their “loyal assistants” get the job or leave to another team. Go Sens Go!

    • Rafi Bomb

      We have lost a number of quality assistant GM’s over the years (Chiarelli, Shero and Murray) but so have most teams. Clearly those three are fairly accomplished so there is a risk that we let the wrong guys go and should have promoted them instead, but the important thing is to try top focus on who is the brains in the operation. Were those three the primary reason why the Senators had success and can/have they succeeded without them.

      A good example of this is the Detroit Red Wings. Everyone talks about how great a GM Ken Holland is with the team that he built, but over the years they lost Scott Bowman, Steve Yzerman and Jim Nill. Those three have done a great job with their new organizations while the Red Wings have continued to struggle and are now at a point where prominent UFA’s are turning them down even though they are offering higher salaries and longer terms.

      But back to the Sens, at this point it looks like a mistake to have let Tim Murray go. He was well suited to take over the GM job in Ottawa and with Bryan Murray’s health issues it would have been useful to have him around to take over the operations until Bryan recovered. Neither Dorion or Lee are ready to run this team so if Bryan needs to take an extended leave I would expect Melnyk to either hire an interim GM or at the very least an accomplished advisor to take over the operations for a temporary period. If by chance we need someone to take over that role full time then I would consider going after Mark Messier.

      • Pasky

        Tim Murray thing is kind of a hindsight move. Did anyone predict earlier in the year that BM would get cancer and he should keep him around as a back up? I mean he knew that at the time he would have to wait at least an extra 2 seasons before taking over, and even then he knew that BM would still have some say in his decisions as an executive advisor. And look at the opportunity he has in Buffalo, extremely young team, lots of high 1st round draft picks, and a legitimate chance at a McDavid or Eichel, which in turn would turn the franchise around immediately, and possibly challenge for a cup once he adds other pieces. He would have been dumb not to jump at that chance, and if Ottawa blocks it then he becomes resentful to the team and we lose him later anyways.

        Considering BM is scheduled to start his chemo near the end of the month and most of the heavy lifting for the off season is done I don’t have an issue waiting till end of August and see how he’s progressed before looking to hire a replacement. Technically the only move that’s needed before the start of training camp is to sign Lehner, which Doiron or Lee can handle. Any other trades and extensions are technically extra that can wait a little bit.

    • peetypuck

      Bryan Murray is Vice President and General Manager.

  • Zelle

    Wow almost everyone in here thinks we are losing Ryan. Maybe I’ll stay away until he gets signed…

    • Tooks

      I dont think anyone has them making the playoffs to be hoenst. I surely dont. I wont be surprised IF we are a lottery team or close to it.

      • Don Ciccio

        If this is the finished product, I believe that we are closer to a playoff team than a lottery team.

        • Tooks

          You think we can get into the playoffs with:

          CMac Turris Ryan
          MM9 Legwand Stone
          Hoffman Zbad Chiasson
          Greening Smith Neil
          Condra

          We dont even have one top 3 player, we have three top 6 players. We have 10 bottom 6 players. So basically one 2nd line and three 3rd lines…

          Not to mention our D, we have 2 top 4 D’s and 6 bottom pairing guys.

          IF we do make the playoffs its a miracle in itself but a wasted one as we could have re-built properly with a McDavid or Eichel! That to me would be MUCH better than false hope at a Cup.

          • Pasky

            Ryan is a Top 3 player dude… I get your negativity but to quote the Illusionist Gob… COME ON!!!

            MM9 and Legwand are fringe Top 6 players, and as discussed in the past the Legwand and Zibby lines will probably be a 2a, 2b instead of an actual 2nd line and a 3rd line.

            I still think we need a scoring Top 6 LW to have an actual playoff forward group, but there’s still potential to be a playoff team. ZBad is almost a 0.5ppg player in his young career, and he’s mostly played with bottom 6 plugs. And I think Chiasson and Stone have the tools to be Top 9 forwards as of now, and the potential to be Top 6 players in the future so it’s not all that bad. I don’t have high hopes for Hoffman as I think he’s good for a stop gap while Puemple and Prince continue to grow, and they should get called up at some point this year with injuries.

            I agree with the D but I still believe Cowen will have a huge bounce back season this year, and if they keep Ceci up this year on the right side he should continue to develop into a Top 4 right behind Karlsson.

            Either way we aren’t a lottery team unless the team regresses from last year which is almost impossible to think about, but if we’re a playoff team it’s only because there’s less competition in the East and our young guys took a big step in their development.

          • Jakester

            Why not, that’s a good lineup, I would change that fourth line but the top 3 lines can compete. MaCLean had less to work with in the 48 game schedule.

      • Spoons

        We’re not a lottery team. We’re one of those teams that hover around playoff spots but can’t quite make it and always gets to draft outside the top 4-5 pics. Kind of like the Leafs every other year.

        • Tooks

          Thats even worse, thats why I would love that we sucked and actually get an elite player instead of all these bottom 6 guys.

          • Sensnation

            Which players do you mean? Our last 3 1st round picks were Lazar, Ceci and Zibanejad. They may not be the top #1 prospect of their drafts, but they are definitely not bottom 6 guys. One of them could even become elite in their prime.

          • Jakester

            Tookie has no idea what a good player is, those are 3 future Elite players.

      • Sensnation

        I know this is hard for people to get used to, but if you miss the playoffs now, then you are a lottery team. There’s no 3rd option. Can’t miss the playoffs and almost be a lottery team.

      • Zelle

        Why not? Buffalo, Florida, Toronto, Detroit, Tampa Bay, Islanders, Carolina, New Jersey, Washington; these are all teams the Senators can beat in the standings. They had a shit year and were a whole 5pts away. That’s three leads to keep instead of calling it a game for the last 10mins of the third.

        EDIT: Just to say that realistically only PIT and BOS are shoe ins for the Eastern Conference. And then, although seemingly improving, I’d say BUF and FLA are likely to be at the bottom.

        • Murray_is_a_GENIUS

          The point is that if you’re not a contender being a 9th place bubble team is terrible. You’re better off just replenishing and getting some top 3 picks and moving up from there. If you supplment those guys properly you’ll be contending in no time.

  • Sandy

    Lehner’s contract will get done at some point in the near future.
    Ryan I’m nervous about. I was nervous about trading for him in the first place as he only had 2 seasons before he was a UFA and the cost would have been high. It’s going to be hard to trade him anywhere is he is bound for UFA. The Sens can’t compete with other top teams in the NHL in regards to salary demands. They just can’t or won’t

    There has been so much negativity around this team the past two seasons, they need something positive to happen.

    • Magnus Nor

      An surprise.. An pleasant surprise is what we need! :D

  • spezzerman

    its such a shame none of our young players have any potential. Man, we are doomed.

    • Sensnation

      Potential wins games, wins lead to cups, therefore potential = cup!

      • spezzerman

        potential leads to fear, fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering.

        • sens_bud

          Suffering leads to losing, losing leads McDavid, McDavid leads to wins, wins lead to cups.

          • Spoons

            No, McDavid doesn’t lead to wins, he leads to potential. Potential leads to fear. etc… and the cycle continues ;) lol

          • sens_bud

            hahaha you win.

          • Sandy

            Buffalo has a good chance at McDavid. And if the Isles suck this season, Buffalo has their 1st rounder as well so it only gets better for them.
            Therefore Buffalo could get the top 2 overall picks in the draft.
            How scary is that thought.

          • Sensnation

            They are going to be one deep prospect pool after the next draft. 3 straight years with extra early picks. Tim is in heaven!

          • Andrews theory

            The issue is you can only accumulate a defined number of prospects and there’s only a defined number of spots on the big club. Bufalo will need to find a way of staggering their prospects or risk losing them to lack of opportunity as well as simultaneously ending entry level deals.

            This is where BM’s addition of longer term projects comes in handy similar to what Chicago does

          • Jakester

            We’ll lose ours cuz we prefer Condra,Greening,Smith, and Neil over giving our guys opportunity! It comes in many shades and forms f-ing up a franchise!

          • Pugnacious Serf

            Garth Snow will do everything in his power to make the Islanders a playoff hockey team.
            And that’s why Buffalo gets McDavid.

          • Sandy

            Well you certainly don’t want them getting McDavid and Eichel.

          • MethotToMyMadness

            That won’t happen, I have this feeling the Islanders are on the up swing this year. They got a better quality goalie in Halak who has a history in Montreal for facing a ton of rubber and they have also added a whole new 2nd line in Kulemin, Grabovski and Conacher.

        • RUSH RLZ

          Which is hilarious because we Sens fans are probably in for a whole lot of suffering in the near future. Like Pinhead proportions…

          • spezzerman

            I hear ya. Every morning on my bike ride to work I repeat to myself over and over; “I will not visit Senschirp today, I will not visit Senschirp today…”

            And yet here I am, and I am suffering… And I will be for the near future.

    • Sandy

      If they lose Ryan in a trade then it’s a pretty good chance this team picks in the top 5 next season.

      With Ryan approaching UFA next season, any return you get for him won’t be much more than you got for Spezza. Philly won’t trade for him, they will just wait until next July 1st and get him for nothing, other than cash.

      • Gavin Ray

        He will resign, but after we trade for another star player

        • Sandy

          What do the Sens have left, that they would be willing to trade, to get a star player.
          If there is another star player coming in, where does the money come from to re-sign both Ryan and MacArthur?

          • Gavin Ray

            I shouldn’t have used the term star player. I meant to say a trade that would strengthen our team and put us a step closer to competing. Like a top 6 forward or a top 4 defenceman.

      • Jakester

        Boston wants a right winger and bad. Marchand and Boychuck would be nice.

        • Zelle

          Greening for Boychuk!

  • Gavin Ray

    Breaking News: Evander Kane was traded to Ottawa for Wiercioch, Prince and a 1st round pick!

    • JayRuN

      Damn you to hell!! Make that 1st round pick into two 2nd rounders abd you got a deal!! I wish :’(

      • Gavin Ray

        I don’t think anyone fell for it

        • Spoons

          This is how you do it:

          Bob McKenzie @TSNBobMcKenzie · 1m
          Senators trade for Evander Kane. Details to come.

          Then everybody hates you…

  • Pugnacious Serf

    When considering trades, we could use another left handed guy that can play 20 reliable minutes on D and a decent shot on the LW. But I think you go with the group you have and give them a chance to earn those jobs. Unless one of the cap teams decide make a trade that is heavily in our favor I say we see what the young group will do. Regardless if Anderson doesn’t play superb we aren’t making the play offs or going anywhere in them anyways. And if that’s the case come trade deadline and we are not in the picture you move out Anderson and a few other pieces like Greening, Gryba, Neil and play the youth Prince, Claussen, Borowiecki the rest of the way a la Nordiques, take a serious run at the lottery. The RFA pool is pretty deep too, I can see being able to over bid on a good young player from a team close to the top of the cap as a great strategy; we got lots of cap room! And no to Chris Stewart.

    • Sandy

      This is a contract year for Anderson. I expect him to play pretty well if he wants a raise from what he is making now.
      Whether that raise comes with the Sens or elsewhere all depends on Ryan’s signing here or not.
      Murray did say that all 5 of those players probably won’t be signed. He can’t do they all.
      I would say, the budget has to increase by 6-8M to sign the key players. But will it that’s the question.

      • Pugnacious Serf

        I think people are getting a little over dramatic, Eugene learned his lesson by throwing money at players with Kovalev. So, I’m guessing when Murray feels we can make a legitimate run without wiping out the youth, like Muckler, we’ll get additional help whether via a trade or FA. Lombardi was getting a verbal lashings because he was collecting talent and had a very young team and never moved any of it for help “today”, until he got the chance to get the players he wanted in Richards and Carter and his all-star centre, goalie and defenseman came of age.

    • Jakester

      Gryba is part of the youth isn’t he????

      • Pugnacious Serf

        Yep, let him play, but Gryba’s ceiling is a lot lower then Ceci’s. I like Gryba, just an example of a guy that’s either going to prove his worth or he’ll move on.

        • CUP 2014-15

          Gryba is the perfect fit as the third guy on the right. How many minutes will CC and King Karl eat up on that side? where do you find a PK Dman who is willing to play 10 Min. a night? I don’t think we should screw with the right side on D or up front for that matter. Our issue is if PW or JC can step up and play on the left, if not Boro and Cleasson are both lefties as well.

          • Jakester

            Perfect 3rd pairing, he’s our best penalty killing D man to boot!

          • Zelle

            He’s great! Really happy they signed him. Hope we hear about Lehner soon. I bet it’s not money they are butting heads about but the starting position. i.e. some assurance that he will own the net in two seasons or something.

          • CUP 2014-15

            Man oh Man, that is right where I am with the Lehner contract. Could not agree more.

          • CUP 2014-15

            Agree, it’s funny how many want him as one of the guys gone. There are only 60 min a game and that right side has lots of offence and like you said he was our best PK D last year. Playing Karl there was a killer and not of the PK type. I do think CC might be able to work the PK in the not so distant future.

          • Jakester

            Plus Gryba seems to be the most active guy in the community!

          • CUP 2014-15

            I’ve seen him around a couple of times and always with ZS and Methot. Nice that he started a business here.

          • sprucesens

            yup, he fits a perfect role. Big, hard hitting, PK and content to play 3rd pair, at minimal salary. Exactly what we want on the 3rd pair. Yes he’s not a super star D, but he’s does exactly what we need, to let our superstar’s play to their strengths

          • Frankie Fives

            PW is a lefty and prefers that side

          • CUP 2014-15

            your point????

          • Frankie Fives

            You said the issue would be if PW can play the left side. That is actually his strong side. PM had him playing RD most of last season

          • sprucesens

            i think he meant, for PW to step up into a solid top 4 role, be it with karlsson or ceci, by playing on the left side, same with cowen. Both of which are left D. Just need them to play like top 4

          • CUP 2014-15

            That’s the ticket, if one of them could evolve into a top 4 then the 5-6 of EG and the other will be fine, just need CP to find the press box unless he has found the fountain of youth.

          • CUP 2014-15

            No, what I said was that we should not screw with the right side and our issue is PW or JC need to step up on the left side (that is the problem area)

          • Frankie Fives

            I misunderstood then. I agree that JC and PW could be the keys to this D this season. However, someone HAS to be traded if Ceci is to start the season with the big club

          • CUP 2014-15

            I agree 100%, that is the whole problem with folks wanting to move EG. The right side works, we know from last year that PW was OK on the left but he and JC both had stints on the right when EG was sitting for 30 games and neither was very good on the right

          • Pugnacious Serf

            I could have listed every player in the Sens organizational defensive depth chart minus Ceci and Karlsson. Gryba is an example of having to give something to get something. Despite the fact people think Greening, Prince and a 2nd round pick is going to land us a first line forward or top pairing defenseman. I agree that Cowen, Weicoich and Phillips are the ones that REALLY have to earn their job this year, and one will probably be the odd man out barring the “I” word. I’ll bitch and cry about this team this time next year if Eugene doesn’t make a solid effort to keep the core players we do have around for the next couple years.

  • Sandy

    http://senators.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=726171
    So two home pre-season games this year. One against the Leafs the other against the Habs.
    Don’t we see these f’in two enough during the regular season that we get more games in the pre-season.
    Since the first pre-season game is Sept 22nd, we can assume that training camp will be starting around Sept 16th or so?
    I sincerely hope that McLean gets the team down to a workable number not too late after training camp. I see games on the same day twice — so I guess after Sep 24th they can get down to what the team will look like and work on systems early.
    Does anyone know when the B-Sens take off for Europe?

    • Rafi Bomb

      The B sens arrive in France on Monday September 29th.

      The Sens preseason schedule is as follows:

      Monday September 22nd vs Islanders (split squad)
      Monday September 22nd vs Islanders (split squad)
      Wednesday September 24th vs Maple Leafs
      Wednesday September 24th vs Maple Leafs (split squad)
      Tuesday September 30th vs Jets
      Friday October 3rd vs Canadiens
      Saturday October 4th vs Canadiens

      So basically all the cuts will be made on September 25th. That will leave us with our team to start the season to have 3 games to allow our players to establish some chemistry and solidify themselves on the depth chart.

      Seeing the fact that we have a split squad game against the Islanders and the Leafs and that we have yet to sign a heavyweight, I could see us inviting one to camp to try and prove himself in those two games.

      Currently the Leafs have: Colton Orr, Frazer McLaren, David Clarkson, Troy Bodie, Carter Ashton, Jamie Devane, David Broll, Sam Carrick, Andrew McWilliam and Tyler Biggs

      The Islanders have Matt Carkner, Eric Boulton, Brett Gallant, Matt Martin, Scott Mayfield, Mike Cornell, Mike Halmo and Cal Clutterbuck

      • Sandy

        These guys, other than Carkner, play about 2 min a game. Who are they going to fight with, Neil? There’s no one else.
        Salary spending has to be careful for the Sens due to the tight budget. I don’t want them wasting any of that on a guy that plays about 2 min a game when he’s in the lineup.

        • Rafi Bomb

          Most of those guys listed would be playing 10+ minutes per game and seeing as they are split squad games, even players like Orr, McLaren, Boulton and Gallant will get significant minutes.

          There are plenty of players for a Heavyweight to fight and having one on a tryout is the best option because we won’t have committed any capital to their salary and if they want a contract then they will have to earn one based of their performance. If any heavy can come in on a try out and play well enough and make a big enough impact to earn a contract then there won’t be many fans complaining.

          Aside from that, last year we had 57 players in training camp, this year we roughly have 51. Of that group we have 31 forwards, 16 defensemen and 4 goalies, 46 are under contract and 5 (Dunn, Harpur, Paul, Lindberg and Perron) we retain rights to either through draft or trade. That leaves the opening for a few camp invites if we so choose. This might end up being a worthwhile option as the camp size may change if we make any trades, a few of the camp invitees won’t even get an opportunity to play a game (likely Perron, Lindberg, Culek, etc) and there may be injuries either in the rookie tournament, in camp or in any of the preseason games.

          • MethotToMyMadness

            We had Kassian last year, and he didn’t play very much. In fact, a total of 33 games, 1 G, 1A and 63 PIMs. His TOI was 4:26.

            While I agree the fighting type can be a good deterrent to issues on the ice, if you just focus on playing and stick with the system, you can avoid that. What good is Kassian after he’s played 1 of his 4 shifts, gets in a fight and sits in the box, for a tussle that probably didn’t benefit the course of the game. At least when Neil fights, it usually comes at a time in the game when the Sens need a boost. Kassian didn’t provide that and a lot of the heavyweights don’t.

            If your core group of players have a knack for sticking up for themselves, stand anywhere over 6’2, then you are covered in that area. Big teams don’t need the extra muscle, and the Sens are pretty good in the Size dept.

  • Zelle

    How many is that? Just two right? Do you expect any more to jump ship for other Murray?

    • Spoons

      Dorion is next, followed by Lyndon Slewidge, and thats where I draw the line…

    • Sandy

      Staff or players?

      Must be such a great working atmosphere in Ottawa right now.

      • Zelle

        Staff, although I’m sure he is constantly calling about his favorite Senators’ prospects.

      • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

        I know a few people who work there, in a wide variety of places, anywhere from concessions to security, to sales and anywhere inbetween. They hate the atmosphere for about the last year.

        • The Apostle

          I think it’s been longer than that – i have friends there who said it was going down hill since before the lock out.

          The fact that you are working for your favourite sports team only keeps you happy for so long

          • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

            Yeah, I’ve heard rumblings before, but now I don’t know anyone that is actually happy.

          • Tooks

            I agree with you. I have made friends on the inside since attending regularly and its not a positive atmosphere and hasnt been for quite some time now.

    • Magnus Nor

      Another hole in the ship..

      • Zelle

        Not if they have plans to replace these guys. As a business-oriented person my first steps when Tim Murray announced he was taking the GM job would have been to analyze my staff, talk to them, and see who would most likely leave with him. From there either entice them to stay or immediately begin to look for talent within the organization to replace them should the time come. Then externally, if need be. Although the scouting staff seemed like they knew what they were doing I find it difficult to believe they are irreplaceable. I’m hoping the organization was forward thinking on this.

    • Frankie Fives

      This was agreed to quite some time ago. Rob is becoming Director of Pro scouting with the Sabres. Sens have never stood in the way of their staff moving to other organizations when they are offered a better position

      • Zelle

        That makes sense. I didn’t realize this had already been agreed to. Thanks!

  • Sandy

    Boy, this day keeps getting better and better, Sarcasm intended.

  • Spoons

    This must be what it feels like to be a Jets fan… Brutal, man… Brutal…

    • Sandy

      Looking at Forbes’ NHL valuations as at Nov 2013 – 15 teams made less income than the Sens but only 1 of them spend less than the Sens going into this season and that’s the Sabres.
      How brutal is that. Teams that lost money last season have no problem in spending on players’ salaries.

      • The Apostle

        maybe that’s why they lost money

        • Sandy

          No, their owners probably have wealthy outside business interests so they can use the losses on their sports franchises on their taxes.
          Something Melnyk is lacking -outside wealthy business.

          • Senatollah

            Sandy. Think that loop hole got closed years ago. Just one of the many reasons why there are salary caps now (hard and soft).

          • KJ

            Forget Melnyk. Owners lose money in this business. It’s a given.

  • Jakester
    • Jakester

      Legwand interview.

      • runningbear1974

        He sounds like a veteran type… sweet…

  • Brutus5247

    From previous discussion, I think that Gryba’s defensive ceiling is as high as anybody on the team. To say he’ll play 10 minutes against the other teams top lines doesn’t make sense. I would think he would be on more in the defensive role.

  • Tooks

    Dont know about you guys but everyone leaving like its the plague has got to mean something? Maybe Melnyk or Murray or MacLean ARE the problem…

    • SensChirp

      You could have stopped after the first name.

      • Tooks

        I could of yes, but I think its more than that. I mean Murray and MacLean are following orders, arent they?

        At one point, one of em has to stand firm…right this sinking ship.

        • zippy

          So you make a habit of telling your boss everything is screwed up?

          If they don’t like it….move on.

          It’s part of the reason I have some faith. Because BM renewed.

          • Tooks

            I am the Boss haha but I take and encourage feedback on how things are run, how to improve. It might be all of Melnyk’s fault sure as he runs the place but if no one stands up to him or gives feedback then Sens Org will never improve.

            And from people on the inside the CTC, they are never asked how things are going or how things can improve (Generalized).

          • Tooks

            Apparently thats what is happening with all the departures…”You dont like it, leave” is a stupid way to run a business…

        • SensChirp

          You are incorrect.

          • Tooks

            Please elaborate. Murray and MacLean are not following orders?

        • Aaron 2.0

          Respectfully, I don’t know what you want Murray to do. If his boss says this is the budget, you must build a team w/ it, I’m not sure what Murray is suppose to do. Murray could tell his owner this will have devastating effects long-term. For all we know, he did. But, the message is pretty clear from the top right now that priority # 1 is saving money. He can’t blatantly disobey his boss.

          I’d agree that MacLean was part of the problem last year. But, he certainly wasn’t the only problem. I think he deserves longer to get things back on track. He’s pretty new at this head coaching thing.

  • Amanuel Dawit

    i would love to see Puempel on the team, he is a gifted scorer!

  • spezzerman

    So everyone is upset today because a scout followed his old boss to a new team? Or was there something else?

    • zippy

      Not everyone. It’s just slow until we get some news. Which could be a while. I’m starting to listen to more about the RedBlacks and the new stadium.

      • spezzerman

        yes, not everyone. I meant everyone who is upset is upset because of something that happens all the time.

    • Jakester

      i know, like who cares really.

    • SensChirp

      Taken on its own, a move like that is pretty irrelevant. Upward moves happen all the time. A consequence of having quality people in the organization. But when you take a move like this, in the context of other recent developments, then it becomes part of a bigger problem.

      • SensChirp

        Also, it’s super awkward that it was known he was going with Tim as far back as January, yet stayed on with the organization for another 6 months or so. Was he there for the Draft? During trade discussions?

        I would prefer not to have the scout of a division rival around the team for that long. That said, I would assume measures were taken to limit his involvement.

        • spezzerman

          was that known? I mean, sure, it was known that they were tight but did everyone know that on July 13 he was leaving? I havent read that anywhere, I know you have more info than most.

          • SensChirp

            Well I was told shortly after Tim left that Rob Murphy would be going with him. If I know it, chances are people actually in the organization knew it too.

            I was also told that the Senators were not pleased with Tim’s attempts to poach members of their staff.

            So yes…I’m pretty confident in saying it was “known”.

          • Zelle

            I find all of this with Tim Murray very sketchy and underhanded. Trying to poach staff that he likes, trying to get prospects that he likes while offering useless players, going after players the Senators are reportedly interested in (Stewart) and picking up a player immediately as he hit waivers only to trade him (Conacher). Sounds like he’s more focused on hurting the Senators than building the Sabres.

      • spezzerman

        you mean, people tend to over-react to the smallest things right now? Yes, they sure do.

        • SensChirp

          Not sure what you mean by overreacting. Discussing it in the context of previous moves and comments made by the organization seems like an appropriate reaction.

          • spezzerman

            I disagree. This is the definition of over-reaction. People inferred that Spezza slagged ownership when he said gave the most cliche answer of all time at his introductory presser. IMO, this is a complete over-reaction to missing the playoffs. Everyone is very sensitive, I get that. But we are hardly going over a cliff here

          • WaitingSince92

            Man, you’re missing the point. There’s nothing wrong with trying to determine the direction your franchise is taking. This isn’t some panicky hissy fit.

            To me, this is the first time in our franchise’s history that we really don’t know where we stand. We seem to be mixing our approaches (ie our half-assed rebuild/budget), instead of picking a route and doing it right.

            At first, we were a shitty expansion team. We built our franchise up into a playoff team, then a contender. We went to the finals, after which we took the half-ass rebuild approach, and we’ve been in franchise limbo.

            Saying this is an over-reaction is not only silly and (in my opinion) wrong, but most definitely insulting/condescending, like when Eugene thinks fans just want him to spend blindly. It implies we haven’t thought it through and are just reacting emotionally. Bullshit.

          • spezzerman

            I’m not trying to be condescending and insulting, but if we make the playoffs next year, which is certainly not impossible, will everyone be all doom and gloom? No.

            I have no problem calling out fans thinking that a scout following his old boss is a sign that we going over a cliff an over-reaction.

            Anyway, this place is probably not for me right now. See you all when the next big player move happens or the rookie tourney.

          • WaitingSince92

            Playoffs in the east is setting the bar pretty low. I want to know we’re making decisions to better the franchise. It’s not just one scout, it’s more the changing attitude of our franchise, since the finals, since the rebuild started, since the internal budget. Alfie, Tim Murray, Spezza and a Murphy who is, yes, just one scout.

            See ya later!

          • SensChirp

            Oh come on.

            The concerns about the financial stability and commitment of Ownership are justified and have been documented at great length.

            Now that doesn’t mean the on-ice product will automatically be a disaster. Lots of great young talent assembled. And honestly, I think they’ll be in the mix next season. None of the concerns being discussed have anything to do with missing the playoffs. In fact, they started long before that ever happened…

            http://senschirp.ca/senschirp-blog/lets-talk-budget/

            Fans are right to worry about the impacts of an Owner with a tight budget and how it may influence the direction of the team.

          • spezzerman

            I’ve been around, I am not new to any of this budget talk. But I havent seen the budget strictly derail this team’s long term objectives…yet.

            I am worried too but I am sticking to whether guys like Ryan, MacArthur, Methot etc are willing to stick around. There have been signs that players want to play here – Michalek left money and term on the table to stay, Legwand chose Ottawa over a few other options. These are minor examples but decent signs.

            I dont see a scout following his old boss as big deal. I dont see Spezza citing the same cliche response about commitment from ownership as a slag on ours.

            I’m trying to maintain some sane perspective in an otherwise insane time.

    • Kohlmanator

      That and the sky is falling.

  • Miguel

    I really cant understand why the blame on the pessimistic views of late fall soley on the fans? Yes many have been very down of late and bleak on our future, however with some merit as well.
    This team has been on a steady slide since we won a playoff round 15 months ago, and if we go beyond that, only on playoff round win since 2007! 7 Years of little to no success, and truthfully we are not much further ahead than we were in 2007.
    Since losing Alfie, the best player in Sens uniform in the modern era, it has been a steady flow of mostly negative news.
    Sorry Trading a PPG top centre for Chaisson does not do it for me.
    Signing an older barely .5PPG centre does not work
    Telling me that Stone, Hoffman, Zbad, Lazar, will walk in and be in our top 6 doesn’t fool me anymore. ( Butler, DaCosta, Silvferberg were all top 6 as well )
    Keeping the same 8 D from last years horrible Defensive team, is hard to digest.
    Right now, and sorry for the frankness we have:
    1 – 2nd line
    and 3 – 3rd and 4th lines
    1 – elite offensive d-man –
    1 top 4 – Methot
    and 5 – 5-6-7 – dmen
    And yet many on here blame the fans for the pessimism… sorry but some fault must land on the team as well… IMO

    • WaitingSince92

      For the record, I still think Silfverberg will be a fantastic 2nd liner, but nicely done nonetheless. Realism over optimism or pessimism.

      • Miguel

        yes I do see potential in Silfv, but that only further saddnes me :-)
        I have only grown to be very wary of the next top 6 in our ranks.
        OH so many have come and gone, that relying on a Stone, Lazar, Hoffman to fill in on top 6 right now, is unfair to them and the fans,

        • Zelle

          “Unfair to them…” I’m sure they see it as an opportunity to prove themselves and not as a burden. I find it hard to believe professional hockey players think to themselves ‘Geez I’m only 20 and they put me on the second line, this sucks! Why should I have to take care of tougher opponents and play more minutes?!’

          • Miguel

            ahem… what I mean is that to put the pressures of scoring 20 plus goals on a young player, who will have to face the critics if they do not perform as a 2nd lind player should, and we then if they should not find success, is only setting them up to fail… and therefore unfair to them, as they are still growing and will need some time to gain experience.
            Butler, Winchester, Da Costa, Greening, were all put in situations as “2nd Liners” and have all failed, and likely hurt their career.
            Does this explain it well enough for you Zelle?

          • Zelle

            No not really. You think it sets them up to fail, I think it’s a motivator. Just another challenge they have to face and succeed at. These guys are not like most of us, it takes a lot to become an NHL player, I’m not really worried. Turris got thrown in as #1 Center and yeah he struggled a bit the first season but look at him now. I would argue it helped more than hurt, and I would further argue if you ask any of these young guys which line they’d rather play on, they’ll say #1/#2 over #3/#4.

      • runningbear1974

        Silfverberg is a fantastic player… But, he’s also a perimeter player… He prefers to go around guys than through them…
        The devil is in the details… He’s a nice guy… But, is he committed to winning… Does he have more drive than others? Anyway… I like him, but also glad we were able to change his talent for Bobby Fucking Ryan… Ryan likes to hit, goes through people…

        • Tooks

          Silf is already surpassed by guys like DSP, Etem, Maroon, Cog and Palmieri. I dont see him playing top 6 in a long while. He’s pretty much fallen out of favour.

        • Zelle

          Ryan is awesome. They need to sign Ryan. Great offense, good defense. Shoots, scores, passes, takes a hit, gives a hit, blocks a shot, doesn’t shy from skating to the D zone on a turnover, selfless plays.

    • runningbear1974

      I don’t see things like most people here… I never ever believed in Spezza and Alfie… I never thought they had what it takes to make this a cup contending team… Compare Alfie and Spezza to (Crosby and Malkin), (Toews and Kane), (getzlaf and perry), (Bergeron, Krejci), the LA guys…
      Alfie and Spezza are more comparable to the Sedin twins… Kinda Cute, but not gonna win you anything…
      I had been becoming less and less interested in the team… They didn’t reflect my values… Finally we’re making changes that I approve of, and now a bunch of fans are complaining about those changes…
      I prefer to cheer for Columbus than to cheer for Alfie and Spezza…
      I also believe in Turris and Zibanejad more than I ever believed in Alfie and Spezza…
      There is no fault to be given, only praise… I’m more disappointed at how long it took to move on to the future… Disappointed how much the fans really really want to hang on to the past failed glory…

      • Tooks

        LMAO…Compare Turris and Zbad to the names you just mentioned, if you think thats better you are on some heavy heavy drugs…

        Nobody we have or even coming up, will ever come close to what Alfie or Spezza did for this team. I would say Karlsson has a chance to be the teams all time best D but lead us to a Cup, no chance. thats IF he’s still here in 3-4 years.

        Nobody will ever come close to the points they have put up.

    • Tooks

      Thats basically as real as it gets, thats our team for 14-15…Its looking very mediocre…

  • SENSible

    I wouldn’t be too upset about a scout leaving the organization since the majority of our draft picks are turning out to be 3rd or 4th liners or AHL lifers anyway. Time for some new blood in the scouting department.

    • EK65

      Zibanejad. Stone. Hoffman. Cowen. Ceci. Lazar. Lehner. Silf (ANA). Wiercioch. ….

      ERIK KARLSSON

      • Spoons

        On a winning team, Zibby is a 3rd line center.

        Stone, Hoff, Cowen, Ceci and Lazar have proven NOTHING yet. They can compete at the NHL level, sure, but they are not top 6 players.

        ANA, is grooming Sllf as a 2nd line winger, but it’s not done yet.

        Lehner is not yet a legitimate starting goalie.

        Wiercioch, he had a very good year. He’s sure seems on his way to be a top 4 D-Man.

        A lot of these guys will be 24 years old this year. That’s already 6 years in the making and not much to show for. Just a lot of potential and promise.

        • SENSible

          Agree with you, even Wiercoch was benched for many games last year.

        • Pasky

          Zib is 21, Stone & Lehner are 22, Ceci is 20, Lazar is 19, Weircioch & Cowen are 23 & Hoffman is 24. And Hoffman is the only one that has 5 years experience as a pro.

          So yea there not Top 6 or Top 4 players right now but I would say that Zib, Ceci & Lazar has a really good chance to become that, and Weir, Cowen & Stone all might become that, although maybe less of a chance than the above players. I will agree that Hoffman will be a career bottom 6 guy with some offense skills and wheels but that’s about it.

          And you forgot to mention how great Karlsson was in your post ;)

          • Spoons

            Lol. Yeah, OK, we have Karlsson. The only proven top player so far.

          • Pasky

            So far yea, you willing to give up on the players listed above already? If so I’m glad your not running this team.

            They can’t all be Karlsson’s so let’s be realistic with our expectations.

          • SENSible Voice

            I think his point was that a lot on here boast about how great our scouting staff has been but while they have found a few NHL capable players, they haven’t hit the jackpot so far, other than Karlsson.

        • Tooks

          ^this^

          Other than Karlsson, the others have done nothing to prove they are top 6 or top 4 in the NHL. They all project to be bottom 6 and 3rd pairing D players.

          But I am hopeful for Ceci and PW46 to crack the top 4 and Lazar to crack the top 6 (2nd line)

    • ChiassonDownTheCup

      Well Rob Murphy was a pro scout…so he wouldn’t have a whole lot to do with drafting. He would be the type of guy who would do research on guys like Bobby Ryan, MacArthur, Turris, Methot, Anderson and other players that have been brought in through trade or free agency. Good effort though.

      • SENSible

        He would certainly have to be brilliant to tell us that Ryan and MacArthur and Turris are good hockey players that we should try to acquire.

        • ChiassonDownTheCup

          I was more just pointing out that you were unaware that a scouting department was responsible for more than drafting.

    • Not Eugene Melnyk

      This can literally be said about any team in professional sports… You draft around 5-7 guys per year, there’s not enough turn around on and NHL roster to have that many new guys playing each year. It just doesn’t make sense.

      I think our first rounders have been pretty decent and we’re probably one of the best teams at drafting in the 2nd round.

    • Tooks

      True, I guess you can see it that way, we have not drafted a legit elite player since Karlsson. And before that, Spezza, huge gaps…

    • BackinOTT

      Pro Scouts don’t have much of anything to do with drafting. All this talk about whether or not our previous draft picks will pan out is a moot point in discussing Murphy leaving since his entire job was to scout players who were already playing professionally.

  • Dirk-Diggler

    What are the odds we have another lockout as soon as the current CBA expires? The GM’s have learned nothing from their previous experiences and keep handing out stupid money on July 1st.

    • thepez

      It’s the owners that give permission to the GM’s that give the ridiculous contracts. Something Eugene keeps reminding us that he is not interested in doing and in reality I can’t blame him. The two best deals this off season will end up being Legwand for 3 million and Dominic Moore for 1.5 million per for 2 years. Some of the deals are beyond ridiculous for what the teams are getting.

    • Sandy

      29 Owners can’t control themselves by trying to upstage their competitors. Playoffs are money in their pockets and they will do whatever they can to get there.

      They just don’t learn.
      At the end of this CBA there will be a guaranteed lockout.
      For the owners, the hill they will die on, has to be controlling the first contract after the ELCs. Those raises for some of those kids coming out of ELC is beyond ridiculous. That drives everything else up.

  • Spoons

    I’m a big Murray fan, I am, but I have to rant about something:

    He just doesn’t know how to capitalized on acquiring draft picks in trades. A few years ago, WAS traded Varlamov to COL for a 1st round pick and more. That 1st round pick ended up being something like 10th overall BECAUSE the trade happened BEFORE the season started. ANA did the same thing last year with OTT. They acquired a 1st BEFORE the season started. It turned out to be the 10th overall.

    A few years ago, Murray waited until the deadline to trade away. We all know that at that time of year, only strong teams are looking to bulk up. Consequently, you get something like the 25th pick.

    Murray has a golden chance to get some value from a Ryan trade. I sure as hell would like to get a 2015 top 4 pick plus the 10th-12th pick. We all know 2015 is a big draft year.

    Since Melnyk isn’t budging on the budget, why try and build a mediocre team where Legwand’s acquisition makes us feel a little more secure since Spezza’s departure? Melnyk can’t last years as the owner. Not at this rate. So why not build in the meantime?

    I don’t want the 6th, 21st and 24th picks like it was 2011. I want the 3rd and the 10th, because it’s damn possible. Murray just has to do it now!

    • Pasky

      2011 can’t be that bad. We got Zibanejad who should be in the Top 6 for years to come, we got Noesen, who in turn helped us get Ryan, and we got Puemple who as a first year pro scored 30 goals while playing half the year in the bottom 6. I get what your saying but at the end of the day draft picks will always have some sort of luck factor based on scouting and team development skills. Just as an example I’ll use the 2003 draft, as they seem to say this year’s draft might be the deepest since that one.

      3rd – Nathan Horton
      10th – Andrei Kostitsyn

      6th – Milan Michalek
      21st – Mark Stuart
      24th – Mike Richards

    • Dirk-Diggler

      I can’t see us trading Ryan now because we are so close to the cap floor… I mean suppose we do and get back a 2-3M player and a pick, we still need to spend money AND we already have too many bodies…

      • Pasky

        Exactly, unless we do a 1 for 1 & pick. I know Philly is over the cap so this wouldn’t work but Ryan for Simmonds & 2nd 2015. And wouldn’t surprise me if Simmonds is an untouchable at this point for them but I’m saying if we trade Ryan I’d want a hockey trade instead of a package trade.

        • Sandy

          Philly won’t trade for Ryan. They will just wait until July 1st and sign him as a UFA.
          Any other team trading for Ryan is not going to give up a 2015 first rounder for a 1 yr rental.

    • runningbear1974

      Trading Spezza increases the likelihood of signing Ryan…

      • Tooks

        Not really, would you re-sign here after seeing 2 of the Franchises best players leave town and Karlsson being upset by it is probably next…

  • Pat D

    I don’t see us trading Ryan, it would be completely stupid and wouldn’t make any sense. There is no rush for Ottawa to sign him. Murray is going through treatment and Ryan is relaxing in Idaho. Hes a top 6 forward (top 3 if you ask me) and hes a key player on the Mac-Turris line. Just because Stone played a couple good games with them doesnt mean he has as good of chemistry with them like Ryan does. Ryan will re-sign, we would be idiots if we didnt.

    • Tooks

      Its not about us, its Ryan…does he want to re-sign here (TBH, its gonna be a very hard sell). Ofcourse the Sens want to re-sign him. But thats easier said than done.

      • Pat D

        pretty sure he said that he had wanted to stay here a couple months back.

        • Tooks

          What do you expect him to say “Nah man I’m out, peace!”

          • zippy

            Just waiting till I get a better offer then I’m gonzo!!

          • Pasky

            Its worked out well for E. Kane lol

          • Zelle

            Could have said it like Spezza: “…I do.” Or Kane: “I’m a Jet right now.” Plenty of ways to say it, but Ryan went with: “I love it here. We love it here, more importantly. It’s been a great change for us. When the time comes, if that’s what Bryan wants to go with, to sit down and have conversations, we’ll certainly do that.”

          • Pasky

            Yup, I think he knows that he had a shitty year in a new environment, even if he liked it it was the first year without Alfie, the team had 0 consistency, he was injured since November which to me proves that he wanted to keep both the organisation and the fanbase as positive as possible. Can you imagine him going on the IR when we couldn’t buy a win at the start of the season?

            Anyways, I think he might just want to take the summer off a bit and get it done maybe in August/September. As was previously mentioned he had his interview that mentioned how he feels like he should repay teams that draft/trade for him for giving him a chance. That to me shows that if he had no intentions of resigning with the team he would have the common courtesy to do what Spezza did and tell the team so they can either trade him at the draft, or keep him and risk losing him for nothing or at the trade deadline. And considering nothing has been rumored about that he should be extended at some point.

            I’m thinking if he really has his doubts about where this team stands then he’ll sign a 3-4 year deal so that he can either be a UFA at 31, traded before hand so the team doesn’t lose him for nothing, or evaluate his chances for a cup here and sing a long term deal.

          • Zelle

            Good post, I agree. His comments about the players are very positive and you can say they are cliche or whatever but body language doesn’t lie. Also the organization no doubt wants to sign him seeing as they posted his face everywhere and sold a bunch of #6 jerseys already.

          • spezzerman

            I think Ryan is very interested in signing here, but what you cant ignore is that he will be, far and away, the most sought after UFA winger (and likely forward) next season. and he just saw what Toews and Kane set the bar at, and what garbage like Bolland can get. He may love it here, but it may not be enough to avoid seeing how big a jackpot he could hit on the open market.

          • runningbear1974

            Let’s hope not all hockey players are just in it for the “most” money… Hopefully some players are in it for the lifestyle…

          • spezzerman

            no doubt, but that lifestyle can be had anywhere. He can go to say Boston who will pay up and are desperate for a top line RW.

            I do think Ryan will sign here because he likes the team and the direction we are headed in. But if not, it likely because the market is just too enticing. KAne and Toews just opened up a whole new world of possibilities for players.

          • runningbear1974

            Either way… Ryan will go where he wants… No matter what he’ll get more money than he can spend… At a certain point its just greed… Why do they want so much money?
            There’s zero consideration about the fans and what they have to pay… They just don’t care…
            What if someone said to Kane and Toews “If you take 6 million instead of 10 million, then the fans can save $20 per ticket”… What would their response be?
            It seems the hockey culture is becoming one of greed…
            Each player will make more money than Gretzky…
            As Spezza, Alfie, and Heatley have proven… Money doesn’t buy loyalty…

          • Zelle

            In fairness to Spezza and Alfie they spent the majority of their careers and their entire young careers in Ottawa. I wish Alfie would have retired here but it is what it is. I don’t blame them for wanting a change and hold no grudges. In fact I thank them for giving the Senators their prime years.

          • Sandy

            If he is satisfied with the contract offer, he can sign it. Then in 2-3 yrs if the team is not where it should be, in his mind, then he can ask for a trade.

          • KJ

            Their also in it for maximum ice time and top billing which he will no doubt get in Ottawa (behind Karlsson of course.)

          • Zelle

            I agree it’s a very tough market to be cheap in right now for big headliners like Bobby Ryan. I just need to have some faith that they will come to an arrangement and the Senators will get him signed to 3+ years at a price he’s worth, if not a bit more since that is what it looks like they’re doing nowadays.

          • s3nsfan

            i refuse to comment on here like the sky is falling, Ryan is a Senator until he doesn’t sign here, why does it matter when. If he’s not in the city and Brian Murray has his own priorities at the moment, training camp isn’t the end of the world if he signs then.
            People on here making comments like they know everything (not you chirp) and how people’s posts “are the stupidest ever” need to have a little respect in how they talk to people. They may actually wake up one day realizing they don’t know 1/2 as much as they think they do. It’s depressing coming here to read all that, the sky is falling, the end is here, we’re going to suck forever, really? You know that for sure? We may have one of the lowest payrolls but we’re also one of the youngest teams. People keep saying play the young guys. Well with young players come cheaper salaries, hence a cheaper salary cap. Give it a few years when our 20, 21, 22 year old players are older and the Sens are successful.

            No one knows the future and sure as fuck not 2 – 3 – 4 years from now, Christ it’s only July. Tell me you know for sure that they won’t make the playoffs and coudln’t possibly have a run like 2 years ago, maybe even get a hotter Anderson and go farther.

            Have a little faith FFS.

          • CUP 2014-15

            Bravo!!!! well said

          • runningbear1974

            I think the coaches and management were really impressed with Ryan… They already thought highly of him… Now they think even better of him…

          • Sandy

            I think it all comes down to if the money is there to re-sign him.

          • runningbear1974

            I disagree… It all comes down to whether Ryan wants to be here… It depends on how much he likes the management, coach, and teammates…

          • runningbear1974

            It’s refreshing reading your comments… Some other people are too depressing…

          • Zelle

            Haha thank you xD I try to be realistic but positive. I tried to stay away from the site as it’s starting to get super negative but I failed miserably…

          • runningbear1974

            We have a young exciting team… I’m excited… So we don’t win the cup… Big deal… We haven’t yet, and I’m still cheering… I love that the organization is adapting it’s way of thinking…

      • Sandy

        Both Cowen & Turris brought up the point about this team playing as a unit with all of the players on the same page.
        I think Cowen knew most of last season that it was Spezza’s last. He said he didn’t have any inside information, it must have been his body language or something.

        • runningbear1974

          I personally believe it’s Spezza that forced Maclean to change his coaching “style”…
          Maclean “Spezza, do defence”… “Spezza, do defence”… “Spezza, do defence”… Then… “Holy fuck Spezza, can you fucking do defence, what the fuck is wrong with you”…
          Remember, Maclean had tried for 2 years without getting Spezza to do defence, so he had to do something…

      • Sensnation

        Sens appear to want to make him a 1st line player this year, he’d be hard pressed to expect that elsewhere. He needs a big year as much as we need him to have one.

  • Zelle

    To further the thoughts about placing players in positions outside of their comfort zone, Turris on being this season’s likely #1 center:

    “I definitely think I’ve learned a lot over the past two years from
    those experiences, from being put into that role when Spezz was hurt,
    and seeing how hard the matchup is,” Turris said Friday before teeing
    off at the Royal Ottawa. “I just tried to take that mentality and put it
    into the role I had this past year.

    “This upcoming year, if I’m put into that role again, I think the
    experience I have now will work in my favor, to know what to expect and
    how better to prepare for it.

    “If I get that opportunity I’ll be excited about the challenge, that’s for sure.”

    Source: http://www.ottawasun.com/2014/07/11/big-new-roles-for-ottawa-senators-kyle-turris

    • Tooks

      Good generic answer. I think Turris will be our 1C, we have no other choice. Its gonna be a tough year for him being the target of the opposition. Hopefully he’s hitting the gym like Dwayne Johnson did for Hercules :)

      • Don Ciccio

        Yet, we are still better than Tor, Mtl, Buf and Florida down the middle…..Teams in our division

        • Tooks

          BUF & FLA maybe, but thats not very hard haha, but certainly not TOR & MTL.

          MTL
          Desharnais 52pts +11
          Plekanec 43pts +11
          Galchenyuk 31pts -12 (only 65 games)

          TOR
          Bozak 49pts +2 (only 58 games)
          Kadri 50pts -11
          Bolland 12pts -1 (only 23 games)

          OTT
          Turris 58pts +22
          Zibanejad 33pts -15 / Legwand 51pts -16 (played 83 games apparently haha 62 +21)
          Smith 22pts -9

          So not quite sure where you think we are better down the middle?

          • Zelle

            In fairness to Zbad he missed games last season and played less minutes than Kadri, also Smith’s great setups to score were often wasted by Neil.

          • Tooks

            Oh bolland is gone? haha ok, let me check who else they got at 3C…

          • EK65

            Komarov and Santorelli….

            I’d say we’re far better.

          • Tooks

            IMO I would rather have Santorelli than Smith. Komorov is probably the Leafs version of Smith.

          • ChiassonDownTheCup

            Just read this whole conversation, very interesting points. That said, I’d take Turris, Zibanejad, Legwand and Smith over Bozak, Kadri, Santorelli and Komorov OR Desharnais, Plekanec, Galchenyuk and Malhotra every day of the week.

          • sprucesens

            yup, and soon to add lazar to that list. I would argue we have the best YOUNG Centers in the league that actually play good hockey. Just gotta hope our young wingers pan out. Guys like stone, puempel, hoffman, and then the vets in ryan, macA, michalek. I actually really like the direction this team is headed, and will probably LOVE the team in 2 years. Like the kind i build in EA 20XX every year!

          • runningbear1974

            Colorado has a pretty good thing going on there too…

          • Zelle

            Yeah he hitched a ride to Florida town

          • Don Ciccio

            I wouldn’t put Smith and great setups together in the same sentence.

          • Zelle

            I’ll find some for you :)

          • Don Ciccio

            ok……Should I check again in about 10 hrs :)

          • Zelle

            Well I’ll have to be at home first so probably lol

          • EK65

            Bolland doesn’t play for Toronto anymore, he plays for Florida

          • Pasky

            OTT vs MTL
            Turris 58pts +22 > Desharnais 52pts +11
            Legwand 62pts +21 > Plekanec 43pts +11
            Zibanejad 33pts -15 (only 69 games) = Galchenyuk 31pts -12 (only 65 games)

            OTT vs TOR
            Turris 58pts +22 = Bozak 49pts +2 (only 58 games)

            Legwand 62pts +21 > Kadri 50pts -11

            Zibanejad 33pts -15 (only 69 games) < Santorelli? 28 pts +9 (only 49 games)

            Yea better than MTL and a toss up with Toronto

          • Tooks

            Legwand did not get 62 pts and was not a +21, LOL…
            http://www.nhl.com/ice/player.htm?id=8467330&docid=TeamPlayerBio:47636#&navid=nhl-search

            Turris 58pts +22 = Bozak 49pts +2 (only 58 games) what? Bozak has higher PPG…and that was at 1C, Turris played 2C.

            Zibanejad 33pts -15 (only 69 games) < Santorelli? 28 pts +9 (only 49 games) Santorelli higher PPG…

          • Pasky

            Isn’t that what you wrote next to Legwand where it says he played 83 Games? Ah shit NVM about that lol

            The Turris/Bozak thing they’re boht pretty even players lets face it. I know +/- isn’t the best stat but when you’re a +22 playing the hardest competition most nights on a team that’s a -29 for the year then it’s not only points that matter anymore. If you would ask people in the league who they would want between the 2 I bet you get a 50/50 split.

            And yea I agree Santorelli had a better year then Zib. I just think that both teams are pretty even down the middle, maybe a slight edge to Toronto as of now, but barely.

            And we still better than MTL

          • Don Ciccio

            Like I said, we are better than all those teams that I listed down the middle…..Don’t forget that now Zibanejad and Turris will be getting more first line pp minutes since Spezza is gone.

          • Tooks

            Like you said, was wrong. I just proved it to you. lol

          • Don Ciccio

            what exactly did you prove?

          • Tooks

            That we are not better down the middle than MTL and TOR.

          • Don Ciccio

            The only thing that you proved is that we are no worse.

          • sprucesens

            you did the exact opposite actually, assuming you are basing it off points alone. our 1C beat all the other 1c’s. Our 2C beat the other 2cs, our 3c beat the other 3cs…. Its even more so if you remove legwand and put spezza back, and remove santorelli and put…was it bolland? back. I do my best to follow everything but the leafs..

          • peetypuck

            Anything is better than your pitiful Laffs down the middle. Bozak is too weak to last 82 games.

          • Sandy

            What could eventually hinder Mtl as their opponents get bigger, is their size down the middle. They aren’t very big.

          • Tooks

            Possibly but thats what Galchenyuk and Eller are for.

          • Don Ciccio

            Are they even going to re-sign Eller?

          • sprucesens

            technically turris and legwand out produced all those teams. and zib as 3c out produce all other 3c’s as well?

          • Don Ciccio

            That’s what I see as well.

      • Zelle

        I believe he’s already started training. Not to mention he played hockey longer than the other guys on the team thanks to the Worlds. Also didn’t he say he has trouble keeping weight on because of his metabolism? As he gets older he’ll get bigger and stronger, so for some people that probably equals ‘better’.

        Mentally tough. Physically strong. Naturally talented. Not sure why he wouldn’t be able to carry the load of #1C by himself.

        • Tooks

          Physically strong? We talking about Turris here? Mentally tough yes, Naturally talented yes, but Turris is far from being physically strong, he spends more time on the ice than the zamboni. He got rag dolled by P.K Subban…

          • Zelle

            I’m not saying he’s a heavyweight but he’s strong enough to hold onto the puck and carry it. Most people get rag dolled by Subban, including his own teammates.

          • runningbear1974

            Turris doesn’t object to being hit either… He just goes with it… Gonchar and Alfie would slash people for hitting them… It’s like they don’t like hockey or something… I’m a big believer that Turris is special, and will continue to work out until he’s very strong…

          • Don Ciccio

            Are you questioning the toughness of Gonchar and Alfie? Not a very good argument questioning the toughness of two potential HOF…..Just saying…..Not saying Turris isn’t tough but I have seen him slash people after getting hit as well.

          • Tooks

            Or whine at refs when he gets kicked out of the face off or pushed down to the ice, I dont recall Alfie or Gonchar slashing people after hits haha but if they did, good for them, its called playing with an edge instead of just going with it…You shouldnt like getting hit.

          • Zelle

            Who doesn’t whine about being tossed out of the faceoff circle? It’s annoying. Plus I believe it’s more asking for an explanation than whining. A lot of players do it, why wouldn’t they? Think they should just bend over and take it from the refs?

          • runningbear1974

            Whining is not good winning behaviour… This is one area I hope Turris improves on… And I think he will… The whole team last year would whine… And yes, unfortunately you do have to take it from the refs no matter what they give you, it’s the price you pay for playing a sport… Whining only makes things worse…

          • Zelle

            I agree I don’t like the whining either, but who knows what they actually are saying. Tooks seems to think he’s saying ‘awe come on this is bs i didn’t do anything blah blah blah’ whereas I see it more of a ‘why did I get kicked out?’ and then arguing his case for next time. In his first years he definitely whined, but I haven’t noticed him chasing after the refs after he gets hit or anything.

          • runningbear1974

            I agree that don’t know what is being said… And yeah for sure Turris is polite… But, whining is a defeatist type attitude…

            “I’m going to demonstrate to you that i don’t agree with your judgement by having an unpleasant tone of voice, and facial expression”

            There are several areas that the team needs to improve on… I’m not sure whether they are or not considering different priorities… That’s a concern i have… At some slow point during this summer i would like to have a discussion about these different areas to improve….

          • runningbear1974

            I don’t like your comments… I don’t like your ideas… I don’t like your perspectives… I disagree with you… I don’t think you have a good hockey mind… I hope you never become the GM or coach…
            I also hope you start cheering for some other team on some other site, so don’t have to continually hear how horrible our guys are (except after they leave the team, in which case they become awesome)
            You are a negative force… boo to you…

          • CUP 2014-15

            The only way that will ever happen bear is to not feed him. Don’t read the posts and don’t ever respond. Takes some time to get use to but it’s the best I have.

          • runningbear1974

            i agree…

          • runningbear1974

            I haven’t seen him slash even once… My complaint with him last year was whining a bit to the refs… I hope he works on that…
            I’m not calling it “toughness”, I’m not sure what to call it when a player resents being hit and therefore slashes the other guy… Whatever it’s called I don’t like it, and I don’t want those guys on my team…

          • Don Ciccio

            You don’t want Hall of Famers on your team? I guess you never want to see a Stanley Cup then……Anyone that is at all competitive has at one point or other slashed someone during a hockey game.

          • runningbear1974

            What i consider to be a winning recipe are players like Yzerman and Sakic… That’s what i have in mind… I don’t know if they ever slashed or not, but i do know that they didn’t regularly slash like Gonchar and Alfie…
            Since when has slashing been a measurement for Hall of Fame?

          • Don Ciccio

            Never said slashing should be a measurement for Hall of Fame because if it were then, everyone would be in the Hall…..You said that you didn’t want Gonchar and Alfie on your team because they slashed people after taking a hit……Here is an eye opener for you, most star players don’t like to be hit.

          • runningbear1974

            I’m not sure what you’re trying to say… But, i’m saying, i want players that don’t mind getting hit and hitting… And, i’m also adding, that i like players who like to skate… It’s weird to me watching guys who look like they don’t enjoy skating… It’s part of the game man, skate buddy…
            Hockey is hitting, skating, passing, shooting… I don’t like the players who don’t like to do those things… In the past we’ve had a lot of 1-dimensional players… In the future, we should have more well rounded players…

          • sprucesens

            i haven’t noticed turris do the slash yet, but i’m sure he has. but yes, i definitely saw alfie and way more so, gonchar do the slash after. Every time gonchar took a hit, the other team was on the PP. I remember countless times telling my wife, after watching him hit the ice, here come’s a stupid penalty. Sure enough, he skates away from the play to slash trip crosscheck or some dumb penalty. That’s why i was happy he is gone. Looking forward to the young guys playing this year. I would be as pessimistic as most people, but all the good teams to be feared are out west. And we beat some of them last year, during our worst year of hockey in probably 4 years. We won’t be winning the cup, be we can very easily come in as the underdog and upset a lot of other favorites.

            Like someone else mentioned, i can see us either finishing top 3 or bottom 3. But find it very tough for us to be somewhere in between.

          • runningbear1974

            I also find it a lot easier to cheer for the underdogs trying hard, rather than cheering for a team expected to win the cup…

          • sens_bud

            He needs to get stronger on the puck and on his skates, for sure. But he has made vast improvements in the last two years in that area of his game. Can only expect it to keep improving. Ability to produce muscle mass peaks around 28 give or take, so lets see what he does in a few years.

          • Sandy

            He’s not a ‘big guy’. But he’s only 24. Still time to get stronger. Remember he was buried in Phoenix and barely got ice time.

          • Tooks

            He’s not the strong type of player, his body is tiny, he cant put on much weight cuz of his metabolism, he’s gonna have to get buy on skill and persistance.

        • runningbear1974

          I agree… He seems determined to achieve… Being determined is very important…

        • peetypuck

          It wouldn’t surprise me at all if he puts up 70 points + next season.

          • Tooks

            That would be amazing if he can do that! But…yes but, too many distractions in Ottawa, I see him staying around the same point prodution as last year, 55-60, still good.

      • Jakester

        He’s been the 1C for two years now, thought you watched the games!

        • Tooks

          He’s only been 1C when Spezza has been out. 2C when Spezza has been in.

          • Not Eugene Melnyk

            There were times last year when Spezza was playing with Neil… I think it’s pretty safe to say Turris was 1C for at least most of last year.

    • runningbear1974

      I’m really happy with Turris… He was being polite to Spezza too… Good for him…

  • Zakary

    Oh Melnyk doesn’t want to spend on what I want so I’m gonna make sure everyone hates I’m.. That’s a spoiled little brats attitude.

    • Magnus Nor

      Sens fans spoiled, funney! :D

  • RUSH RLZ

    Whew! Sounds like the Preds are signing both Ribeiro and Derek Roy. Two more bullets dodged!

    • Tooks

      Yeah no kidding but are we that much different, we signed MM9 and Legwand…to actually play in our top 6…

      • Pasky

        Legwand seems more of a back up in case Zib has a hard time, or at least give him another year as the #3C. I guarantee you by the time Legwand’s contract is up Zib will have passed him on the depth chart.

        • Tooks

          Its fully expected of him to do so, but will he!

          • Pasky

            He’s one of the better 3LC in the league right now if you ask me, and he’s 21. I wouldn’t call him a future #1 like BM but he can be a #2 on most NHL teams in 2 years. Worst case scenario Lazar passes him on the depth chart as a #2 guy and we’re set up down the middle just like LA is with 3 more than capable C.

          • Tooks

            You comparing Turris, Lazar/Zbad to
            Kopitar and Carter…lol I wish, bro, I wish…

          • Pasky

            Potential dude.. right now fuck no lol

            Just saying that if Lazar ends up being the second coming like some people think and he pushes Zib in a 3rd line C then we can be set up down the middle like LA. Not equal or better to but similar…. in 3-4 years…. not now

          • runningbear1974

            We’ll have to wait and see what he does in the offseason… If he continues to improve or whether he gets caught up with girls and partying…
            But, I’m a believer in Zibanejad…

          • Pasky

            Worked for Tiger Woods….. Guy needs some hookers again if he wants another major lol

          • runningbear1974

            I’m not opposed to partying… Do it if you want… But if you do, then you do also have to work out harder and practice harder, if you want to be elite…

          • Jakester

            Bit of a Slicer now , must mean he needs a HOOKER! Tiger on the prowl again!

      • Sensnation

        MM9 has played in our top 6 for years, why is that a surprise?

        • Tooks

          Because he is no longer a top 6, lol…

          • sprucesens

            i agree. but also produces at a nearly identical rate of evander kane. Granted kane can grow more, and is much younger and plays with more of an edge. Just pointing out the stats, which you so desperately love

          • Sensnation

            You need to do the math. His production last year was in the NHL norm for a 2nd line winger.

          • Tooks

            Doubt it, 39pts in 82 games is not a top 6 player on a good team. 0.47 PPG is closer to 3rd liner.

          • Sensnation

            30 NHL teams x 6 players (top 2 lines) = 180 players in top 6 roles in the NHL

            Michalek’s point total was tied with Rick Nash (fewer games) for 134th overall.

            http://www.nhl.com/ice/playerstats.htm?fetchKey=20142ALLFAFALL&viewName=summary&sort=points&pg=5

          • sprucesens

            haha. MATH’D

    • MethotToMyMadness

      I don’t like Ribeiro, and it’s mainly because he looks like a junkie. Roy has declined in value due to age and natural regression, but both of these guys have the ability to put points on the board, which is what Nashville is paying for. Not that I’d want them in Ottawa, but they’ll probably do ok in Nashville.

    • Sandy

      Spezza wouldn’t go there. Fisher is out until probably after Dec, if he comes back at all.

  • senate19

    Chirp I feel like you’re trying to protect us from the organization – like you’ve heard more news that you’re hesitant to share with us. We’re all in this together bud. Let it out

    • wild bill

      There is a lot not posted. People are afraid to post the dirt. The reporters will not write some of it.

      • bluebuyyoo

        Please. Brennan has not yet met a piece of dirt he didn’t publicly flog.

    • Doc

      If what I’ve heard is true, then it might be better for everyone to keep quiet out of respect for the people involved.

      To be clear, I’m not talking about Melnyk’s financials.

      • senate19

        well, I’m assuming you’re alluding to Murray’s health being worse than publicly stated, which is hopefully not the case. But I expect this sort of thing would really affect signings/trades at the present time – out of respect

      • Tooks

        That bad huh…:(

    • zippy

      SC has said many times that he wishes he had more to tell.

      BM’s situation is private to him, so that will not be discussed.

      There’s nothing more to say. When there is news it will get posted.

      Got any trade scenarios? Other players in the PEG you’re interested in?

    • Brutus5247

      I think a persons privacy is definately more important than blogger comradery!

  • http://www.Merchaholic.ca Merchaholic

    Three words…

    • Sensnation

      I thought it was “Budget Team” Baby!

  • adamie

    LOL @ TOOKS FOR SAYING BOZAK AND KADRI ARE A 1-2 CENTERS.

    • Sandy

      Well they are on the Leafs but not outside the centre of the universe.

      • Tooks

        And as for Kadri well its not even a debate who is better, anybody who watches hockey can tell you that.

        Kadri’s last 2 years
        48-18-26-44pts 0.91PPG
        78-20-30-50pts 0.64 PPG

        Zibanejad’s last 2 years
        42-7-13-20pts 0.47 PPG
        69-16-17-33 0.47 PPG

        • laffin681021

          Kadri is also 2 years older than Zib and has more experience playing in the league. Not sure how you can compare the two at this point in time.

          • Pasky

            Not to mention Kadri was given the #2 spot while Zib has been carrying the likes of HOffman, Condra, Neil & Kassian some nights.

          • runningbear1974

            There is no way i would trade Zibanejad for Kadri… Again… More points doesn’t equal better player… Not necessarily… There are details to consider…

          • Tooks

            You guys are just full of excuses today, arent you.

          • Pasky

            I guess you ran out of arguments? They’re not excuses, they’re FACTS. Quality of teammates & opportunities given to players are factors in stats, but they don’t define how good a player actually is.

            Case in point of this is Cheechoo.

          • Tooks

            Keep the excuses coming.

          • laffin681021

            It’s not an excuse it common sense..something you lack.

        • Tony

          Sorry Tooks but the age does matter… and if you compare what they have accomplished by their age you get this…

          As 20 year olds:

          Kadri – 29games 3g 9a 12pts — 0.41PPG
          Zibanejad – 42games 7g 13a 20pts — 0.48PPG

          As 21 year olds:

          Kadri – 21games 5g 2a 7points — 0.33PPG

          Zibanejad – 69games 16g 17a 33points — 0.48PPG

          (BTW your calculations were off on your PPG for Zibby… you “somehow” rounded down instead of up…)

    • Pasky

      Yea Bozak is a #1 but Turris is a #2….. Logic of a Leafs fan lol

      • Tooks

        Bozak 0.84 PPG playing 1C
        Turris 0.70 PPG playing 1-2C (mostly 2C) When Turris played 1C for a complete year 0.47 PPG…

        Helps to play with Kessel and JVR tho! :)

        • Sensnation

          It’s a lot easier to feed Kessel for points all year. I don’t deny that he’s a really good C, but Bozak is now 28 and in his prime. Bozak did not sniff .84ppg until this past year. Turris is 24 and is already on pace for the same improvements Bozak made statistically.

          • Tooks

            Well Turris can feed Ryan all year…

            But will he have the supporting cast to keep his pace? We know for next year he will have CMac and Ryan which is not JVR and Kessel mind you but its what we got, its not half bad either, so we will see if he can crack that .84PPG next year or in years to come IF that line stays together.

          • Sensnation

            I’m not against Turris remaining a 2C and I agree he has that size deficiency as a 1C against most teams.

            Bozak showed that if you can click with the right linemates you can elevate yourself quite a bit, that’s all we can ask or hope for. Turris always puts in max effort.

          • sprucesens

            yeah, its like a prolonged greening effect. (when he played with spezza)

          • Zelle

            I’m really glad Turris doesn’t focus on just points like you do and just keeps playing his complete game.

        • laffin681021

          A couple key factors just like you said: Kessel & JVR.

          • Tooks

            Hey I dont make the rules…

          • laffin681021

            No you don’t but you also don’t use your head when comparing players.

          • s3nsfan

            yes he does, he uses it in a way to fit the argument in the way that he sees fit, not in a way that best exemplifies the comparison

          • Pasky

            Exactly, he uses HIS head in arguments instead of someone’s head that has Common Sense

          • Tooks

            Oh you mean numbers? They are right there for you.

          • Tooks

            No point in comparing potential or what “might” a player become in 3-4 years, I compare the now, and the now says Bozak is better…

          • sprucesens

            wait, what? You remove “potential’ then say bozak is better. We had 2 centers last year that produced more than him. How is he better?

          • laffin681021

            Ok so in your opinion it’s ok to compare Let’s say Lazar after his first year to let’s just say..Teows in his prime. That’s essentially what you’re doing.

        • Pasky

          Yea that Turris 0.47ppg is because he played with an almost 40 year old Alfie & rookie Silvferberg for most of the year as when Michalek was Healthy he was next to Spezza. All this as a 22 year old. Oh and that’s without Karlsson on the back end.

          Also, Bozak in that same season had 0.6ppg playing in between JVR and Kessel again, as a 26 year old in his prime.

          I”m not saying one is better than the other as I firmly believe that they are both equals right now. They’re both going to be 1C when I think they would both be better suited as a dominant #2. Saying that, Bozak didn’t break into the league as a starter until he was 24 so I think Turris will become a better center as he still has room to imrpove.

        • Jakester

          Tookie you’re a Dufus. I wouldn’t even take Bozak in a package for TUrris, let alone comparing them 1 against 1.

  • Sandy

    So what the hell did Melnyk say on TV this time?

    • Sandy

      Never mind, I found it: One question was:

      Not even during a BNN interview could Melnyk avoid a question pertaining to where he envisions the Senators finishing in the standings and whether he will spend more money on players in the near future.

      “I made a point, I said after this coming season, I said, ‘A) I’m not going to talk to talk about money unless you want to buy the team.’ But in all seriousness, the team is doing very, very, very well. We now have a great group of players. They are all motivated. They’re all like, they feel like little underdogs, but they’re going to go in… we’ve got a bigger team. A tougher team. I think we’re going to do very well. I think everybody is focused on getting into the playoffs this year, so I think we’ll do just fine, thanks.”
      ========================================================
      So Buckle up people.

      The story on 6th Sens.
      http://the6thsens.com/2014-articles/melnyk-speaks-on-bnn.html

      • Sensnation

        PLAYOFFS!!!

        • Tooks

          Haha lets rock, Melnyk just set the bar!

          • Magnus Nor

            Hold on!

          • Sandy

            I hope he realizes that to make the playoffs they need Ryan here and signed long term with about 7M in salary.

      • SENSible Voice

        Am I the only one who thinks Melnyk might have hinted at looking to sell the team with that little quip? Or is that just wishful thinking on my part?

        • CUP 2014-15

          Stop it!!!!! that’s not fair

        • Sensnation

          Probably wishful thinking. He’s a business man, you’ll always listen if someone is going to give you an offer.

          The fact he couldn’t find a viable minority partner in his years of search leaves me to believe there aren’t many suitors kicking down his door.

          • SENSible Voice

            I’m not convinced that he ever looked for a minority partner. Having a minority partner only minimizes your loss and if you do make money (which we all know he does), then you are giving away part of your profit to someone else.

            I think the bigger picture here is that he bought the team and arena for cheap and by being frugal, he has made the team look very attractive financially on paper (papers he doesn’t have to divulge to the public). It’s probably never been worth as much as it is now. As they say, sell high.

          • Sensnation

            It was all over the papers and news. Not sure what more would convince you.

            Yes the Sens are definitely at their highest worth right now, but truth is after a few years of tv contracts their worth will be much higher.

          • SENSible Voice

            I may have missed it… do you have a link to a report that states Melnyk is actively looking for a minority partner? I know it was suggested by fans that he do that but I don’t recall hearing Melnyk make such a statement.

            As for the TV deal, I would have to disagree with you. The TV deal increases the net worth of the team now because it is money that is coming in and hasn’t been spent yet. It’s alot more attractive to investors knowing that you have 10-yrs of a $20M/yr TV deal to look forward to instead of being halfway through it.

          • Sensnation

            My understanding of the new tv contract is that it is not a set amount per year, but instead a variable based on many criteria. After a few years, a prospective owner would then have hard numbers to work with instead of the potential range it may deliver.

            The minority stuff was back in 11-12 timeline. Here’s one article that talks about it and refers to it being a rumour in 2011 as well. http://www.intelligencer.ca/2012/10/25/sens-not-for-sale

          • SENSible Voice

            The article ends with: “Asked about that possibility last year, Melnyk dismissed the idea.”

        • Sandy

          It appears to be his only cash flow.

        • peetypuck

          Is anybody even interested in buying the Sens and keeping them in Ottawa? I’m sure there are people that would like to buy them and move them to Markham or Hamilton.

          • Sandy

            .. and pay the huge penalties to Toronto and/or Buffalo to move into their territory.

            I think Seattle & Vegas get their teams before Toronto gets another.

          • SENSible Voice

            The team makes money in Ottawa, why would a buyer want to move it? Any business that is a money-maker will attract buyers. Secondly, the NHL doesn’t want to move the team because it would be an embarrassment for the league, not to mention there’s no money to be made in moving a team so if they were looking at putting a team in those cities, it would be through expansion.

  • Sensnation

    The whole ownership and management team is over the top confident in this group they’ve created. Playoffs would have to make just about every fan happy!

  • Sandy

    http://t.co/sspM5mzaso
    New LED lighting at CTC. Could save them about 70% in costs over what they have now.
    Looking at my own Hydro bill which is gastly expensive, I can’t imagine what it costs to run CTC in way of Hydro bills.

    • Spoons

      Cool! now they have the money needed to sign Lehner ;)

      • MethotToMyMadness

        And Ryan!! ;)

  • Sandy
  • runningbear1974

    I hope Detroit has bad karma for next 100 years for stealing Alfie…

    • Sandy

      It will be interesting to see how their year plays out. Especially if they miss the playoffs and the Sens make it. I guess that’s karma.

      • runningbear1974

        Detroit has been making the mistake of grabbing every UFA available… not a good strategy… Every once and a while get a good character guy, don’t grab all UFAs…

        • Sandy

          I believe they had 4 UFAs on their radar and they went to other teams. Boyle, Niskanen and a couple of others.
          Maybe they aren’t the destination after all.

          • CohMa

            I’m sure it has to do with the Wings not really being contenders anymore and who wants to live in Detroit

          • runningbear1974

            Not anymore… The players don’t believe in them anymore…

      • Senswest

        That would be the perfect Karma!!!!

    • Deadly

      Stealing? We threw him to them.

      • runningbear1974

        Detroit sent their Swedish buddies to persuade him… I believe that Alfie has been emotionally unstable since his last concussion… Exaggerate emotional outbursts… He didn’t used to slash people… My belief, i have no proof…

        • Don Ciccio

          Really? He became a slasher after his concussion….lol

          • runningbear1974

            It’s either the concussion, or following Gonchar’s example… Karlsson was slashing that year too, he didn’t last year…

  • Senswest

    It’s going to be a long summer but the main priority right now for this Team is for Brian Murray to get better!!! and then they will take care of business after such as resign Ryan, Methot and McCarthur and sign Robin!!!!

  • Jakester

    NHL sources tell me trade talks involving Keith Yandle have quieted down. Still think he’d be good fit for Red Wings, Senators and Stars.
    9:47am – 14 Jul 14
    Jimmy Murphy on twitter

    • Sandy

      Who the hell is Jimmy Murphy.

      • Jakester

        Boston radio host.

  • jasonontheoldsenschirp

    Will Marcus Hogberg be in Binghamton next season?

    • Deadly

      No, Hammond is the starter.
      Hogberg will still be in Sweden.

      • Jakester

        Chris Driedger will be the starter, Hammond will be a career minor leaguer.

  • Zelle

    OT: I love that people are getting into the CFL home team, gives me hope that we will get a baseball team!

    • Deadly

      American,National or CanAm league?

      • Zelle

        I’d root for National or CanAm. I didn’t realize you could have an American baseball team in Canada :o /clueless

      • Pat D

        starting next season, there will be a CanAm team.

    • Pat D

      We will have a CanAm team starting next season out of the Stadium. But there may also be a team for all the college/university players to play in the CBL against NY teams

      • Zelle

        ooh sweet! I will save up some money now to buy swag ;)

  • Gavin Ray

    With the current roster we aren’t a playoff team. I hope we get something done in the next couple of weeks. I will be focusing all of my time on the sens news and the destiny beta.

    • laffin681021

      And we aren’t a playoff team why? At least explain your opinion and don’t just say we aren’t a playoff team with nothing to back it up with. Don’t turn into Tooks..We’ll make playoffs because our players are hungry. They had a taste of it a couple years ago and now they know how it feels to miss playoffs when they shouldn’t have. There were a lot of downs last year and was a terrible year for a lot of our players. I think many will bounce back and play better and harder. That’s why I think we ARE a playoff team and WILL make playoffs. We won;t win the cup but I believe we will have an extended season. Also there’s no NEED to make any more moves. Our current roster is fine. If Murray and company makes a quantity for quality move, then great! If not, I believe the roster we have will do just fine.

      • runningbear1974

        Next year’s team will at least be a team to be proud of… Last year was kind of embarrassing…

        • Tooks

          Well its basically the exact same team minus Spezza & Hemsky and they were why we were even in playoff talks for a bit.

          Goalies = Same embarrassment
          Defense = Same embarrassment
          Forwards = same embarrasment minus Spezza/Hemsky, added Legwand…

          What will you be proud of if you were embarrased by a very similar group last year?

      • Gavin Ray

        Woah bro calm down. I’m just saying that in the current state I dont believe that we have a playoff team. Scoring wise I think we will be decent even without Spezza but our defence was lacking last year and little has happened to address that. These are my beliefs and it’s okay that we don’t necessarily agree on them.

        • cups

          i think if anything, you got it backwards.. i dunno where the scoring is gonna come from other than ek and br, but if we rolling 3-4 lines that have a better chance of scoring than being scored on, i think many of the nay-sayers will be eating their words. i keep thinking back to the lockout season where i was wishing i could have seen the pesky sens line up against the 27-1(or whatever) hawks. a lot of negative voices are gonna disappear when the season starts, and if you dont believe it, well then i just dont know what to tell ya

        • laffin681021

          I am perfectly calm, you obviously read my post with the wrong attitude thinking I was furious. I was simply asking why you think our team isn’t a playoff team (which is perfectly fine since it’s your opinion), then I came back and argued with my own opinion. My point was just don’t come here and say something without justifying. On the defense issue: obviously management has faith in our group improving and getting stronger, otherwise they would have addressed it. Will they be the best? No, absolutely not, but they’ll improve with a full off season and getting prepared mentally. A lot of these guys are young, they need to grow and gain more experience, but I believe they’ll improve enough to at least help the tendy’s cut down the goals against and not blow leads so that we are in playoffs. 5 points is nothing.

      • Tooks

        You dont make the playoffs AND win with one 2nd line and three 3rd lines…Are you just blind or are you pretending not to see it…Not to mention our defense is the exact same with no improvement at all.

        • laffin681021

          I’m not saying our defense will be the best but I think they improve. Apparently you think they they will be the same as last year. Do you not believe that they will look back at video of last year, see their mistakes and try to fix them as best as possible being both physically stronger in some cases and focusing on mobility in others. News flash tooks, management knows what happened last year and knows where each player needs to improve. Also as I previously said, last year was a terrible year for some players so it’s kind of hard not to improve..and guess what? Even on a horrible year, they were still only 5 points out of playoffs.

    • cups

      i beg to differ. any team in the east could make the playoffs, sens missing last season after being proclaimed favourites in the off-season is an apt example. i cant believe sens fans are spouting this shite and negativity. obviously some quantity for quality trade would be nice and bolster our chances, but come on man, cut the prophetic critique of a team we havent even seen yet. it comes off as stupid

    • Sandy

      As bad as the Sens were last season, they missed the playoffs by 5 pts, that’s 3 wins.
      Other than Tampa, which teams in the East got considerably better this offseason?
      Boston, Pitts, Tampa and probably Columbus have just about guaranteed playoff spots, that leaves 4 spots left. Which of the remaining teams have a lock on those 4 remaining spots?

  • 383

    Fuck you Dave and all your fuckin negativity. You are the one that started all this. Now it’s normal to shit on, I dunno EVERYTHING including EK65. This fan base has gone to shit. Already predicting we’ll miss the playoffs!??!

    News flash, Jason Spezza fuckin SUCKS. We are sooooo much better without him. What happened to pesky? What happened to believing in guys that we’ve never heard of to carry us to the playoffs and SMASH (TWO 6-1 victories vs the habs ‘this years east runners up) the bunk habs.

    It’s not about the roster or uncie Eugene. WE have to get our shit together and start supporting-bottom line.

    And it starts with you DAVE.
    Quit bein a fuckin pussy behind a keyboard and step the fuck up. Don’t be a negative Yost, be a guy that we can rely upon for positivity. The “Eugene is poor blog” is getting a bit much. Ya, we’re a budget team, it doesnt mean we can’t fuckin WIN.

    Sick of your shit.

    GO FUCKIN SENS-PELUSO 4 LIFE

    Prediction-we finish 2nd in the Atlantic.

    • Brutus5247

      We make the playoffs! I’m with ya! EK just neds to get his defensive shit together and we will be OK. YES plus-minus is reflective of your defensive play. Forwards play a responsible defensive support game, take the pressure off the D and we will be fine.

    • Turbo_Prop

      Yeah, fuck off with that negativity shit….

    • Senswest

      I am with you also that believe we will make the playoff!!!!

    • WaitingSince92

      Yeah Chirp, it’s YOUR fucking fault if the Sens fucking suck because YOU didn’t fucking cheer fucking hard enough. Put on those pom-poms.

      …fuck!

      • WaitingSince92

        Seriously though, even without Spezza’s production, it will be hard to get worse than last season.

        Often, the opposite of the expected narrative happens; logically, we might have trouble scoring but be more coordinated defensively given the roster changes, but we could just as soon have poor defence (if no young guys can step up) yet have no troubles scoring (we have to tools).

        Just seems to happen like that a lot, year to year.

        • runningbear1974

          Besides Doughty, LA didn’t have that great of defence… Their main defence came from their forwards effort…
          The defence will look so much better with forwards supporting them…

          • Tooks

            What? try Voynov, Muzzin, Martinez and Regehr, Greene and Mitchell as great support. Doesnt get any better than that!

            What are you smoking man…

      • Tooks

        LMAO!

    • runningbear1974

      guaranteed the goalies do better next year, with players playing a structured game…

      • Senswest

        and our defense too!!!!

        • runningbear1974

          Good point… For some reason i didn’t consider that…

      • Tooks

        Well they certainly cant play any worse…Our D on the other hand, I dont see why they would be so much better, its not because they were not structured or missing skill, they just flat out could not keep up with other teams speed. Phillips and Cowen were liabilities every night, Gryba was a bit better but could not handle speed well in limited minutes.

        Then our top 4 hopefuls, Karlsson, Methot, Ceci, PW46 (IMO) all played relatively well offensively but struggled most of the season on defense.

        • runningbear1974

          Guaranteed to be better because got rid of the 2 worst defensive players on the team: Spezza and Kassian…
          I play sports with people like Spezza, and they destroy the structure of the team… I have no idea why most Sens fans don’t see this, but the people who know hockey know that you can’t win with that kind of shit…

          • Brutus5247

            With Spezza you play 5 on 4 in the neutral and defensive zone. Add to that he played about 18 min/game. In addition to that he was playing the second highest QOC(per line) and the stars start to line up. You can’t blame him for all of it, but his lolligagging drove me to really hope he got traded. A grinder game, tough in the corners, solid backcheck, decent goaltending, and team scoring will get us into the playoffs this year.

          • Tooks

            Umm last I checked Michalek and Karlsson are still here, lol.

    • Pat D

      take a hike

    • SensChirp

      With all due respect, you are completely full of shit. I do admire your passion though.

      Any negativity from me is directed at one person. The man at the top. And it is completely justified. I won’t just stick my head in the sand and blindly support someone that I know is a problem for this organization. Not gonna happen.

      I could ignore it but it’s clear from posts like yours that some people still aren’t getting the message. And that’s a problem.

      Other than that, I have done nothing but support this team. The coaches, the management and the players. Perhaps to a fault, at times. During last season’s stretch run when everyone else was saying it was over, I was posting playoff percentages until the number hit zero. I was going to the games. Buying tickets. Spending money on overpriced beers. And sitting in my damn seat until the final horn.

      The few moves they did make this off season, I praised. You could search the internet far and wide and you would never find a negative thing I’ve said about Erik Karlsson. And in this very comment section, I said I think they’ll be competitive next season and be in the mix for a playoff spot.

      In general, you’re right though…fans are more negative these days. But that’s because the team just missed the playoffs, nearly fired the defending Coach of the Year, lost their Captain for the second consecutive summer and haven’t resigned their best goal scorer.

      Has nothing to do with my negativity about Ownership.

      • runningbear1974

        1) You’re saying he’s full of shit… Which is not a nice thing to say, nor a professional thing to say… Even though you also say “with all due respect”…

        2) You’re implying that if someone doesn’t think we should be a cap team, nor don’t care too much who owns the team, that “they’re blind and have their head in the sand”…

        3) You did NOT support the coach… “Why is Spezza on PK”… “Why is Phillips on PP”… “Why is Chris Neil on ice in last minute of the game when we’re down a goal”…

        4) You’ve been attacking people all year who have a different point of view than you… I don’t remember you doing that in past years…

        • WaitingSince92

          I think 383 opened that can, so all that shit about not being “nice”… Pffft.

        • Tooks

          So you support this:

          3) You did NOT support the coach… “Why is Spezza on PK”… “Why is Phillips on PP”… “Why is Chris Neil on ice in last minute of the game when we’re down a goal”…

          • runningbear1974

            I’m not sure what you’re saying but yes, i agreed with the coach and i think i understand what he was doing…
            1) Spezza sucks on defence so play him PK to practice
            2) Phillips makes stupid decisions with the puck on his stick (i think because his brain blanks out and so just rushes a play unnecessarily, the opposite of poise)… so, get him to practice on the PP.. And btw, i think Phillips improved last year…
            3) Chris Neil, he goes to front of the net and fights for it… And is our veteran….

          • laffin681021

            These players are Veterans. If they were going to change they would have done it awhile ago.
            1)Spezza is known not to be defensive. Ken Hitchcock has worked with him in the past on his game an guess what..he still floats and doesn’t play defense well. You think “practice” is going to help Spezza still? No. There are players on thos team that are way more capable and should be used on the PK over him.
            2) Phillips career is at an end and is no more then a 6/7 defenseman at this point. Again, why waste PP time on him when we have players that know how to do it better and won’t fuck up as much?
            3) Are you really that ignorant? You support putting Neil out there at the end of a game jut because he fights for it? HA. Why not put our best players out there who can actually score and have a higher chance of tying the game instead of putting Neil out who scores very little?
            You’re going to find a very little amount of people who agree with those moves as they are not sane and we have other players that excel far more in those areas than the players mentioned.

        • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

          He is a blogger… Why the hell does he need to be professional when someone wrongfully calls out his character

      • Zakary

        You’ll have to learn that what you hear from pissed off employes is probably wrong.. Unless you are directly involved in meetings with Melnyk the president, gm ect. You are in no position to comment on Melnyk your comments are based on ear say and your opinion and not justified

        • Sandy

          Melnyk ‘ appears’ to be in some financial trouble. Just check the internet on his other holdings, it’s not rosy.
          Do you think he’s actually selling his horses because he is retiring? IMO it’s because he has to.
          Lessening cash flows and debts have him in a little bit of financial stress.

          • Zakary

            Just checked he is still a billionaire

      • Sandy

        Clap Clap Chirp. You are bang on with everything in your comments.

        • Zakary

          Ironic your The most negative person here

    • Miguel

      holy crap… if you think Chirp is negative, obvioulsly you completely ignore my comments… please keep doing so.
      Nothing wrong with supporting a team you love, and hating the fact that they are taking steps in the wrong direction.
      Buddy not sure how long you have been here, but many have been here for a very long time, and the simple fact and TRUTH is since 2007 we have ONE, playoff round victory, with many seasons with NO playoffs.
      So with respect to you and the passion, don’t make yourself out to be the almighty SENS fan on here, while the rest of us are negative pessimistic fans, we are every much a sens fan as you are, only wish we were ahead of the “rebuild” and not looking at another yer of Sens hockey without playoffs.

      • Sandy

        I think the Sens have missed the playoffs 3 times in the last 17 years. That’s a pretty good record.
        But I agree 1 playoff series win since 2007 isn’t something to brag about.
        This team has lost two key players in back to back seasons – that’s nothing to brag about either.
        We shall see what next season brings. Let’s hope it’s titled Bringing Back the ‘Pesky’.

    • Tooks

      “Ya, we’re a budget team, it doesnt mean we can’t fuckin WIN”

      LMAO, its exactly what it means…No spend, no win…Cap floor teams dont do very well.

    • Doc

      Here’s a tissue, for your issue.

      Kisses.

      • runningbear1974

        that’s disgusting… Who masturbates and writes on blogs at the same time…

        • Doc

          nots ure qhat you aretalking about

          • zippy

            me neither

          • runningbear1974

            tissue… what does someone need a tissue for? to clean up the mess after masturbating…

          • Doc

            To wipe his little tears of sorrow.

          • runningbear1974

            my thing is funnier..

          • zippy

            to not hit the keyboard and be able to type I find exudes pure talent.

        • s3nsfan

          f*ing talented, masturbating and typing on a blog all at the same time, nice work!

        • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

          Ummm

    • Not Eugene Melnyk

      Whaaaatt? If anything I’d say Chirps one of the more optimistic sens bloggers. Are you the same Peluso that used to write things that were funny? If so, I’m pretty disapointed. Leave the site buddy

      • runningbear1974

        It would be nice to have 2 sites… One where people who love Spezza and hate Melnyk can hangout and whine… And another site where the fans love Turris and Ceci, and what’s happening with the team…

    • runningbear1974

      I agree with you… Dave has taken a distinctly different approach this last year since he started hating Melnyk… Dave has NOT been optimistic this year… I don’t know how people can say that he has been (how is it possible that people can have the exact opposite views on reality, so weird)… Lets ask Dave…

      Dave.. Do you feel you’ve been optimistic this year?

      - I don’t know how to say how irrational it is to expect the Senators to be a cap team… Everyone that thinks we should be a cap team is irrational…

      - He loves Spezza, so don’t say anything negative about Spezza or else, Dave and his cronies will attack you personally… (I’ve been attacked several times this year, and it often started with Dave)

      - He spent the year complaining about Maclean, without even trying to understand where he was coming from…

      This year has been pretty depressing, and it starts with the leadership…

      • SensChirp

        Hahaha so is the question was I less optimistic about the team this year (when they missed the playoffs despite being picked by some to win the East) than I was the year they made the playoffs (despite being picked to finish near the bottom)?

        -Nobody says they have to be a cap team. Just be able to spend when they have to.
        -So because I was vocal in support of Spezza, I was being negative?
        -I actually wrote a blog post called “Understanding Paul MacLean” and was among the most vocal in support of the Coach

        • runningbear1974

          You started being negative the moment Alfie didn’t sign with us… That was the moment… It didn’t start after we didn’t make the playoffs…

          - “So because I was vocal in support of Spezza, I was being negative?”

          Nope, that is NOT what makes you negative… It’s the not trying to understand but being judgemental, that’s the negative part…
          - You continually “questioned” Maclean’s decision, without even trying to understand… You feel you supported Maclean? I don’t know what to say… I’m not going through the old blogs to show everytime you disagreed without even trying to empathise…

          There is professional writers and then there’s fanatic fans… Some sort of spectrum…
          You can be at which ever end you want to be…

          I feel you’ve attacked me a whole bunch of times this year… And you’ve done it to other people too…

          Spezza is not a winner… He doesn’t do what it takes to win… Team Canada, and any other strong hockey sense people know this… I don’t know why you don’t…

          • Doc

            You tend to have that effect on people.

          • runningbear1974

            I’ve been reading for years… But i felt i wanted to share my perspectives because it’s different than what the majority thinks… I was tired of hearing certain points of view, and i just wanted some other readers to know there are other perspectives that are less mainstream…
            I try to be polite to the other bloggers, and to the hockey people… I don’t call people names, usually…
            I play lots of sports: Lacrosse; Foot-ball; ultimate; soccer; hockey; basket-ball… I’m not skilled, i’m poised and make good decisions, so i’m biased towards other players who are similar minded…
            I feel Skilled players make Bad decisions but try and overcome those bad decisions with their skill…
            If this was a war… Life and death… I would vote for decision making over skill… I think historically that has proven to be true (like the Romans)….

          • Doc

            I hear ya. Was just poking fun.

            There’s a weird vibe with the fan base in the last two years, where fans aren’t sure what to think anymore. Either about the team, or the management. I also think that it is all justified though, and that people need to ask questions.

            That being said, I think everyone is just edgy with everything that has happened. That’s why you won’t see me around here much until the season starts. Not much to talk about for one, and I don’t need to be involved in any bickering between fans.

            Plus it’s Summer! BBQ and alcohol!

          • Sandy

            Personally, I predict Spezza will be top 15 in NHL scoring next season.

          • runningbear1974

            i agree… Spezza is really good at getting points…

        • Sandy

          That’s the key Chirp. This team being able to spend when they have to.
          The have to is now to re-sign the players that are part of their young core.
          We will find out soon enough. If ownership doesn’t do that, then everything about this “Owner” that we have been complaining about have a basis of truth.

      • Tooks

        You’re right, Melnyk and Murray have to go.

      • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

        Hey delusional guy is back!!! If your going to bitch about chirp… At least use things that happened

    • zippy

      SC runs the site. He’s allowed to say whatever he wants.

      You don’t have to read it.

      I like his educated opinions, and the educated opinions of everyone else.

      I welcome some negativity too. Makes you think.

    • http://www.Merchaholic.ca Merchaholic

      ..

    • Spoons

      Ya Dave, you suck…um, no you don’t :) It’s easy to point fingers when things go wrong and pointing at Euge isn’t enough for our good friend 383.

      I do agree that Yost has become the symbol of negativity. His posts are a drag. I’m pretty sure he’ll soon post the correlation between team budget and corsi numbers. He’s that predictable. But that’s Yost, not Chirp.

      Keep up the good work Dave!

    • Tooks

      Prediction – you were drunk when you wrote this lame post.

      • WaitingSince92

        Similarly, I’m guessing he also wrote it when he was an 8 year old whiny little boy, last night.

    • Doc

      I TOLD YOU NO CHOCOLATE BEFORE BED

    • WaitingSince92

      Too many thumbs up for such a personally insulting, “drink-the-Koolaid-or-you’re-a-useless-piece-of-shit” type of post.

      • Zelle

        Chirp put a thumbs up lol

  • my2sens

    First off. To Peluso below. Simmer down, please. Dave has done nothing but support the Sens 100% through thin and thick. As a fan (and a big one at that) he is allowed to voice his displeasure and opinions, especially since this is HIS blog.

    Second. To Peluso again. I do agree with you however that most of us do need to start supporting a little better.

    Third. We are going to make the playoffs easily IF we can shore up defence AND get strong goaltending. And guess what? We have two positives from our goaltending this year. Anderson is on his rebound year and Lehner is going to be pushing for that #1 spot stronger then ever.

    We finished 11th last year in goals for. Keep the puck out of our net, and guess what? We are in the playoffs and making a push for the cup.

    • Dirk-Diggler

      Yes, I don’t think it’s all gloom and doom like a few others. We will be a team that’s in the 6-10 spot this year. I am expecting bounce back years for Cowen, Weircioch, Lehner and Anderson.

      But at the same time I can see a sophmore slump for Ceci and Neil and Phillips regressing a bit more. Let’s hope that those two guys are not put in a position to weaken our team by playing too many minutes. They are good 4th line and 6th D man roles and hopefully with limited and sheltered time they won’t be inclined to take too many penalties. Greening I don’t think will improve or regress from last year. He is what he is and that’s not a very good player. Hopefully him and Neil are given very little rope and are not responsible for too many losses.

      The team next year will be pretty fun to watch in my opinion. I can’t wait for October for a few reasons… one, the start of the season. two, my GF works on the NHL deal and I will finally get her back to normal once the season starts :)

    • Tooks

      This goes 2 ways, we were not a defense first team last year, MacLean admitted to changing up his tactics to open it up more. IF he reverts to defense first then our GF will drop and wont be anywhere close to 11th, but our GA should tighten up a bit but damn, be realistic. Even IF we do a superb job of tighening up our D we wont go from 29th to 15th…LOL.

      As its looking right now, no changes to the D are coming, so expect the same group that have been struggling for a couple of years now, dont let the stellar year of Anderson/Bishop/Lehner fool you, our D was pretty bad and they bailed us out.

      • runningbear1974

        There’s a huge change on D… Spezza… Spezza although an allstar is the worse defensively on the team… Worse than the rookies, worse than the tough guys…

        • Tooks

          I agree he was terrible but 1FW player wont make a difference, you still have 5 out of our 6 D that can hardly play defense, lol.

  • Mat

    Next Senschirp Guest Blogger: Anger management specialist C. Hill-Da Fakout

  • Mat

    Everyone should be happy today. There is 100% no chance that Derek Roy plays for the Sens this year. Yaaaaaaaaaay!!!!

    • Tooks

      Well we could trade for him, God knows he’s the right price…cheap :)

  • Mat

    Who is Jimmy Murphy and why should I believe leprechauns?

  • Tooks

    We are 28th in spending out of a League of 30 teams…
    52.6Mil with 22 players signed. Even IF we do a Q4Q trade we wont go much higher…
    You simply cant compete with the top teams like this. The writing is on the wall folks, McDavid, Hanifin, Eichel will be a very nice addition!!

    • AutoTurris

      Shut

      • AutoTurris

        the fuck

        • AutoTurris

          up

          • Tooks

            Bro?

        • Tooks

          Mad?

      • Tooks

        U?

    • Dirk-Diggler

      I hope the team is competitive and makes the playoffs but if we don’t and end up with McDavid then the long term benefits will vastly outweigh the short term pain…

      • Tooks

        TBH our Org needs it, we need an elite franchise player, yes, yes, Karlsson is elite but I dont think he’s the type of player that can lead us to a Cup, has to be a guy like McDavid or Eichel! Hell maybe even Lazar in a supporting role.

        • Dirk-Diggler

          I can’t argue the benefits that a franchise forward would bring this team. A piece like McDavid/Eichel would make us a contender in 4-5 years and with our current guys I can see us a good team for many years to come but not a true contender. In today’s NHL you need more than one frnachise player to be a legitimate perrenial cup contender and not just a cinderella story.

          • Brutus5247

            Team defence is the start!

          • Tooks

            It is, yet we havent even touched it, budget restrains us from doing so.

    • runningbear1974

      So… The conversation you’re trying to start is that the sens can’t compete… Are you trying to establish exactly to which magnitude can’t they compete? Do you feel this is an interesting conversation? Something “worthy” of discussing?

      • Tooks

        It specifically says “cant compete with the top teams” and we cant, its simple. Every year since the cap has existed, floor teams dont do nearly aswell. Usually fall in bottom half of League.

    • Brutus5247

      Who fn cares how much is spent. Its the team that will perform or not perform. These are not AHL players. They have made it to the NHL and you haven’t! You have an opinion and that is what blogs are for, but you are flogging a dead horsewith the cap bullshit. Melnyk does not have the ticket prices and attendance to spend to the cap. Get over it. He wants to make money. Hmm thats bad! With Spezza gone we will be better. You’re getting as bad as the moron Yost, or maybe you are him.

      • RUSH RLZ

        The point is… teams that don’t spend don’t do nearly as well as the cap teams. So the fact of the matter is that our unwillingness or inability to spend is hurting our team’s performance.

        Compounded by the fact that we have now lost Alfie because of $$$, now Spezza didn’t want to stay, team not showing a commitment to winning… Hemsky gone, possibly Ryan next etc… This IS a fucking problem. An enormous one, regardless of who is to ‘blame’.

        Unless you are happy to be in continual rebuild mode, with little to no chance of actually contending, forever, then everyone should be concerned, and rightfully so.

        It is not like year one of the rebuild where we would agree no need to spend to the cap. But after our pesky run two years ago, instead of investing and building a stronger team, you can easily argue we’ve done exactly the opposite.

        Thank god for the cap FLOOR.

        • Brutus5247

          The problem is Spezza, Karlsson and Cowen came back and they are all weak defensively. You cant have your major skaters not playing defence.

          • RUSH RLZ

            Don’t muddle a player’s regression, or the type of team we build (offense vs defense vs two ways players…) with the impact of spending. They are completely mutually exclusive.

          • Tooks

            You just dont get it…

        • cups

          please present argument outlining how we’ve done the exact opposite of becoming a better team than 2013.

          • RUSH RLZ

            Ummmm. To this point we’ve added Legwand and another young kid amongst many. We’ve let the scoring of Spezza and Hemsky walk out the door.

            Maybe this will be a heavily lopsided deal in our favor a couple of years down the road, hell maybe it will be better than the Yashin or(deal), but do you really think to this point our team is better than last year?

            Not a chance.

            P.S. We could have kept both those guys, and brought in another couple $$$ star players if the budget was there, but we didn’t. Not saying that some of the stupid UFA signings would have made sense to compete with, but the sad fact of the matter is that our GM probably couldn’t explore that even if he wanted to.

            Unless something changes with ownership. more than likely we are stuck bouncing perpetually between ‘rebuilds’ and icing a team that finished 8th – 11 in the East, has no shot of contending and wins us luke-warm draft picks. You know, like our friends down the 401.

          • cups

            although last year we moved away from what made us ‘successful’ in 2013, you said “But after our pesky run two years ago, instead of investing and building a stronger team, you can easily argue we’ve done exactly the opposite.”

            without players like spezza and hemsky, both of whom i would love to watch on a nightly basis btw, i think we are a smarter and more responsible team. i mean, we dont have the pieces to compliment that type of offence, nor the willingness to spend for a flash in the pan year with our fingers crossed that these guys make it through 82 and still play when it counts.

            by dropping these guys, and adding players like legwand, ryan, and macarthur, i just cant see how anyone would consider that a move away from the philosophy that emerged along with the pesky sens.

            they bringing pesky back in a big way, and i cant wait.

      • Tooks

        Earth to Brutus5247….Do you copy, over…

        *static*

    • Dirk-Diggler

      The whole budget thing is over rated… In today’s cap NHL the best model is to have a team that spends near the cap but spends wisely on players. It’s not about giving $7M a year to 25 goal scorrers.. It’s about having young players on cheap first or second contracts that are supplementing your 30-35 goal guys that are eating up 5.5-6.5M of the cap. And, it’s about having depth throughout every position. I think the Sens have a lot of the depth throughout the lineup but are still missing a true top line C, and a top line LW. Also, on D there is simply too much middle of the road talent and not enough to compliment EK. It’s why I always want to get Letang so that it gives the Sens two pairings that are mobile and skilled enough to dictate the play.

      • s3nsfan

        If Cowen can return to what his potential is and Ceci continues his improvement over last year, that has the “potential” to be a solid pairing.

      • Tooks

        So…having money we could get those missing pieces, got it…

        • Dirk-Diggler

          some have to be drafted.. some have to be traded for and some have to be signed… but the point is that teams should not overspend on stupid contracts… the Sens currently only have 3 bad contracts Neil, Greening and Phillips.. Those can all be mitigated a bit… Good teams however have many good contracts like Keith, Doughty, etc… and they spend on getting solid players throughout the lineup… you don’t have to spend every penny but you have to spend on players that will maximize your chances of winning

          • Tooks

            And the Sens are NOT doing that…Thats what we need to do but with Melnyk fronting the cash, it aint gonna happen.

            I f’ing wish we had a Kane/Toews, Crosby/Malkin, Kopitar/Carter, Datsyuk/Zetterberg.

            We have Turris/Legwand…

    • s3nsfan

      and how old are we in age compared to other teams as well???

      • Tooks

        I dont know what our avg age is compared to others but it would be more incentive to rebuild properly than to be mediocre for years.

      • Tooks

        According to this:

        http://www.quanthockey.com/TS/TS_AverageAge.php

        There are 8 teams younger than us as of 2013-14. And the ones above us are basically even. Yey most of them spend and some do very well.

    • cups

      *pfffft

  • runningbear1974

    So, in attempt to change direction of conversation…

    If the Sens had an unlimited budget… What should they do to win the cup?
    What team should be model? What philosophy should be take? What will make us the best?

    • Not Eugene Melnyk

      50 million/ yr for Malkin, 75 million/ yr for Crosby. Maybe spend another hundred million or so on upgrading defense. Free tickets for all! I love unlimited budgets!

      edit: I forgot ice girls

      • runningbear1974

        PIttsburgh owns Malkin’s contract… They won’t just give it to you… My opinion is that is poor strategy, lacking any kind of strategic effort…

    • Doc

      Ice Girls.

      • Tooks

        ^this^

        Plan the parade!

      • Zelle

        That’d be such a waste of money lol

        • cups

          co-op students? tax credit!

    • runningbear1974

      I think the strategy to use depends on the quality of the goalie you have…
      I think Chicago and Detroit have historically shown to win cups without the most elite goalies…
      But, if we have an elite goalie, than we could use a strategy like the cup winning New Jersey teams, or the now LA team…

      • runningbear1974

        If less skilled goalie, than need more elite players…
        If more skilled goalie, than don’t need as highly skilled forwards…

      • Tooks

        Well the one thing we are missing that those teams have are elite players (yes, plural)

        We clearly dont have elite goaltending (too inconsistent)…

        So we would have to start with adding an elite player or 2 upfront, since we dont have any and upgrade our D big time.

        Guys like Phillips/Cowen/Gryba/PW46 could all see major upgrades.

        • runningbear1974

          So… Your strategy is to get some elite players, and upgrade Phillips/Cowen/Gryba… Again for some reason, i feel this is lacking in strategic effort… Doesn’t feel like you really even tried… Let’s say, it’s very easy to see us do what you recommend and still not win the cup…

          • Tooks

            Whats lacking in upgrading? We NEED elite players since we only have 1 and he’s an offensive defenseman. Every team who won the Cup had elite player(s).

          • cups

            don’t they become elite players by proving themselves in the playoffs and winning a cup?

          • s3nsfan

            no according to some cups can only be won by players already deemed “elite”

          • Tooks

            Thats correct,
            BOS – Chara, Thomas, Bergy, all elite before Cup win.
            CHI – Kane, Toews, Hossa, Keith, all elite before Cup wins.
            DET – Zett, Datsyuk, Lidstrom, all elite before most last Cup win.
            L.A – Kopitar, Doughty, Brown, Quick, all elite before Cup wins.
            PIT – Crosby, Malkin, Letang, all elite befor Cup win.

          • cups

            really think you’re stretching both time and the definition of elite for a few of those guys and their respective situations.

          • KJ

            I bet you they would all say the room was the key, and they played as a team. we had elite level players in the past, and we had no joy. so your argument doesn’t really hold.

          • Tooks

            Nope.

          • cups

            come on.. think about it, you can do it if you try.

      • runningbear1974

        My thinking is to see which teams have won several cups, and what were their strategies… Detroit, New Jersey, Colorado, LA, Chicago… That’s since i started watching…

        • Tooks

          Cant compare with different era. Too many things have changed within the game.

    • Sandy

      Quality top 6 forwards. The Sens have 3.

  • Mat

    Realistically, who’s the next Canadian team to win the cup?

    • AutoTurris

      Habs, unfortunately

      • Zelle

        If not the Habs I see the Flames rising pretty soon, they have a good young hard working group right now.

        • Tooks

          Flames are very young, and still missing alot of pieces. They wont contend for another 8-10 years.

          • Zelle

            8-10 years? That would put most of their young talent at ages above thirty, If they acquire the right pieces, which they have already started, I would project more like 4-5 for the young guys to hit their primes.

      • Mat

        So no love for Edmonton eh? If they don’t win first, what a waste of a collection of high end prospects. You look at how quickly Pittsburgh, Chicago, Anaheim were able to turn 1 or 2 successful drafts into cup victories and you just cry for the people of Edmonton.

        There should be a rule there. No ex-Oilers in management. We think our situation is bad in Ottawa but cmon, look at that organization.

        • Tooks

          Yeah EDM has terrible management, they need to clean house overthere, its inexcusable to have that many high picks and not be able to put a winning team out on the ice, when other teams management have done it in lesser time with lesser picks.

    • Tooks

      TORONTO! (hides)

      • peetypuck

        The Laffs are the joke of the NHL and always will.

        • Tooks

          Yet we lose to them. What does it make us? Your happy they are a joke yet we cant beat em.

          • Jakester

            Yeah and they still finish behind us in the standings! what a joke team they r just like you.

          • peetypuck

            What do you mean, we can’t beat them?

          • peetypuck

            Fifty years without ever making it to the SC finals but you talk as though they’re contenders every year. What a joke.

      • Sandy

        You had better hide saying that Tooks. They don’t have the puck possession stats to go a long way.
        They got where they did on the back of Bernier. Once he got injured it showed.

        Don’t get me wrong, they have very good offensive players but need to be a more rounded team.

    • cups

      ottawa, 2015, buy your tickets now!

  • s3nsfan

    Bitch and Moan about the budget all you want, no amount of wasted energy on your parts will change his attitude. Period.
    Personally it’s tiring, listening to all the complaining, he’s the owner, it’s not going to change anytime soon. So why not try and find the positives in the team that will play in October. We don’t know what further moves will be done and we sure as f*ck don’t know how players will perform, regardless of how some seem to think they KNOW certain players will not be any better than they were last year.
    Ryan hasn’t been signed, so what, it’s f*ing July, if January rolls around and he asks for a trade then start worrying.
    Spezza is gone, and? He’s a 31 y/o centre with a back problem (2 surgeries) and would have wanted another 5,6,7 year contract, I sure as hell don’t want the team strapped with that contract with the possibility of him missing time due to injuries.
    Cowen was bad last year, yeah and? Who’s to say he won’t want to bust his ass this summer, have a wicked training camp and prove to himself he’s better than the player he was last year.
    MacLean wasn’t as good as he was in his COTY award year. And? He admitted he’d changed philosophies and they weren’t as successful, so we know for certain that he won’t go back to the same way of thinking. It’s possible he returns to COTY award form and the team is a hell of a lot harder to play against.
    Phillips and Neil are older and might regress? Yeah and? They play their f*ing hearts out which is more than others last year, and maybe MacLean will realize he needs to give more ice time to younger players and let them be more mentors and character guys.
    Karlsson was bad defensively last year, again so what? That’s last year, he had a serious injury, missed a bunch of time, had off ice issues, had to deal with his mentor leaving, and the team around him wasn’t great either. Will all be forgotten when he gets back to Norris form and plays a stellar year.
    Seriously folks, this site is great, and a terrific place to come and talk about the Sens, but how bad do you think they were last year? And they missed the playoffs by how many points? So it’s not realistic to think that if they go back to mindsets of their successful year two years ago they couldn’t make the playoffs this year?

    GO SENS GO!!!

    • cups

      HEAR HEAR!

    • Tooks

      You just dont get it…
      Making the playoffs is nice and all but when your trying to rebuild, which we are, dont kid yourself, you dont want to be in the 7th to 10th spot, thats being mediocre and will keep you mediocre. Making the playoffs only to get crushed in round 2 doesnt help the rebuild.

      We’ve won 1 playoff round since 2007, never really a threat to do damage in the playoffs, we have 1 elite player in the form of an offensive defenseman. To go deep into the playoffs you need more than 1 elite player and to get elite players you have to pick in the top 3 or have money…

      We dont have elite “potential” (you all like that word) players in our system, why? cuz we have settled as being mediocre, trying to compete when we should be rebuilding the proper way. But our Owner is trying to bleed less money so he is sacrificing the rebuild to stay competitive enough to make the playoffs and maybe win a round, keeping us mediocre.

      • cups

        cut the money shit. i get what youre saying about mediocrity, but ultimately i wouldn’t be thrilled about being a buffalo fan the past 5 years. i think they have a really bright future, but that fan base has had little to be happy about because of it. ottawa has had disappointing seasons, but not like buffalo.

        the time that it takes to ‘rebuild properly’ is really gonna be about the same for almost any team. i think we’re pretty lucky to have GMBM as the guy calling the shots as we have had a pretty fun team to watch 2 of the last 3 years, and guess what? it’s only getting better from here. we have gone through the growing pains with guys like karlsson and turris, and theres another crop just about to emerge as bonafide nhler’s.

        obviously there’s still some growing to do, but there are some pieces to get excited about, for now and for the future.

        • Tooks

          I agree it would suck to have to go through 5 years of real rebuild but atleast we would know the direction the team was going, and hopefully have a great product at the end of it (most likely).

          Right now the Sens dont have a direction, are we a playoff team or are we rebuilding? Being in between is a terrible place to be.

          • cups

            WE HAVE ALREADY REBUILT. it takes a while for those young players (sometimes referred to as a core) to mature and grow. it’s happening right in front of your eyes and you can’t see it.

            2014 was a wash, I don’t think anybody can put their finger on what happened.

            I fully expect a more mature version of 2013 with additions of key pieces like Ryan, MacArthur, Karlsson, and I’m kinda interested to see what Legwand can bring to the table.

            We are going to be a lot more successful than some people, including you, seem to think based off of last seasons anomaly

          • Tooks

            If we have finished rebuilding we are in serious trouble. We dont even have an elite player aside Karlsson.

            We spent 3 years being mediocre and its catching up to us.

          • cups

            by ‘finished rebuilding’ i meant that we have acquired the young core. the rest will be quant.4.qual trades, and with a year or two of success, some free-agent signings. the money will be there when the time is right.

            we have a surplus of players and prospects at almost every position except goal, and i’d like to think lehner ends up as one of the ‘elite’ players you need to have any success. so we have an environment of internal competition amongst the young guys, not just for a spot in the line-up, but for a place in the organization. we just gotta hope we can keep the ones who will reach or surpass their respective ceilings.

          • Jakester

            I like Zibby as much as the guys you name in 2011. Go drain your boner for Landeskog! Zibby will be a better player than that guy in a couple of years.

          • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

            I hope you are right… But I have to disagree lando is an absolute stud

          • Jakester

            He’ll max out at 20 goals a year(Skog). Zibby if we gave him any PP time at all or close to 20 minutes would’ve scored 30 last year. Much more dynamic and powerfull skater. But plays for the Sens so for Tookie he’s shit! Sorry Tookie but Sens will finish ahead of your crappy team again this year!

          • Pugnacious Serf

            There’s a big flaw in your expert opinion, like the fact that Turris was traded for drafted 1st round talent, Runblad; Ryan was traded for a #10 pick and Silvferberg, Methot for Foligno. Everyone of these trades benefited the Senators. It expedited the rebuilding process and added top line depth on both offence and defence.

            Edmonton has really show your blow it all up theory is garbage.

            Zibanejed and Pumpel were added in 2011; Ceci in 2012, Lazar in 2013. So take the rest of the day off, step down off your soap box, and give the 4 highly touted prospects we’ve drafted in the last couple years a chance to grow.

    • Miguel

      Again I do not believe that a poster that always looks at the bright side is any more a Sens fan as the one who posts on some glarying facts that concern them and the team.
      Folks, this is not the Toronto Maple Laffs, where a team that has one playoff win in 7 years going to garner new fans, and fill the CTC.
      We are in a very tough market, with real fans paying real dollars to be entertained.
      Not corporate write offs filling the arena.
      I love the Sens equally as much as everyone else, but to spend x amount of hard earned dollars to watch a Budget team spent their millions on:
      Chris Phillips – as a top 4 PP D-man
      Neil – 3rd line PP
      Condra Greening – 2nd and 3rd ( or even 1st line at times )
      Legwand/ MM9 – top 6
      Cowen – top 4 – slow and unproven and possibly damaged goods
      A terrible defensive team with little to no change from last year, ( where everyone wants to blame the forwrards for the bad defensvie coverage…. Yes Spezza is gone so now we will be fine defensively… this is beyond me )
      And of late watching as top talent continully walk out of Ottawa,
      All this, as a huge Sens fan, is very concerning. And any of you that want to bury you head in the sand, and think that this market will support hockey’s version of the Montreal Expos, are only in denial.
      And yes I am a huge supporter of the Sens, but concerned at the state of late
      Go Sens Go!!!

      • Tooks

        Very well said…we used to disagree alot before and you used to be one of those “follow blindly’ types but now its good you have seen the light.

        To continue to pay our hard earned money and have a budget team to show for it, with no hope of contending in the near future without MAJOR improvements that require money or top end picks, will just harm this team as people continue to keep us mediocre.

        This team wont leave, Melnyk (and to some extent, Bettman) wont let it happen but in order for us to succeed in the future, this team needs to spend and Melnyk needs a partner and only us fans can make that happen by giving Melnyk and the Org our honest feedback, show our displeasure, you think Habs and Leafs or any top team would sit back and play idle, follow blindly, I’ve been to both arenas and let me tell you, when its not going well, they boo the shit out of their teams, Front Office notices this and really has no choice but to “try” and get a better product by spending and well the habs are doing quite well and the Leafs are getting there aswell after cleaning house in the Front Office…

        • Jakester

          Yeah OK its been 47 years since the Leafs have done anything significant and 21 years since the Habs won the Cup! With Both teams enjoying long sequences of years not making the playoffs! So FOFF with your booing theories. This year the SENS have shown BALLS and BIG ONES getting rid of a Captain who wasn’t going to take us anywhere! This team will be highly competitive, because they will play hard! Are we missing another TOP 6 – MAYBE?? But we have good young players who can do the job! So lets stop with the Crying! GO SENS GO! I believe we’re on the right track!

          • Miguel

            we have had “good young” players for over 8 years!
            can you name them? I can
            Butler, Winchester, Condra, Greening, Peterson, Filatov, Zubov, Kaigorodov, Regin, Da Costa and the list goes on and on!!!! We ALWAYS have good young potential that are always going to be top 6, that frankly have never materialized.
            Look I know me arguing with the TOOKs does not put me in good company ( sorry Tooks ), but he makes some very valid points, and we cannot ignore the plain facts,
            This team has been drained of the best proven players of late, and are left with unproven “potential” and old unproductive players that dont want to move.

    • Zelle

      Agreed! I’m excited for September. I’m already anxious about the games they will win and lose. I’m wearing my tuque and jersey in 30+ degree weather. I will be buying tickets to the games to support the guys playing for our team.

      T-68 days.

    • Sandy

      I truly believe that if Ryan is re-signed before the season starts, a lot of this negativity goes away.

  • MethotToMyMadness

    Again, trying to add a positive vibe to a dreary comment section. Here is a good read on the Sens picks in this years draft:

    http://www.hockeysfuture.com/articles/110863/2014-nhl-draft-ottawa-senators-draft-review/

    I’ve said it before in another comment, the pick of Shane Eiserman will prove to be very, very good. And a sleeper for the Sens could be 7th rounder Francis Perron. Everything I’ve read in regards to talent analysis mentions tons of skills and the drive to play a two way game and he’s feisty. I like that combination.

    • Tooks

      I also like Francis Perron, not sure about Eiserman yet but I like his name :P

      • Deadly

        Too early in their development for you to crap on them. Now ,if they were one year out ,showing good potential,I know you would start to downgrade their future.
        That just the way it is with you.

        • Tooks

          Wrong, I hyped Pageau as the next Giroux, look where that got me…Still like the kid but he’s a career 3-4C…

          You should see what a kid has to offer after the first 2 years, usually signs of whats to come arrive.

  • whammer44

    Just read that tweet thread…funny stuff. Personally I think his stop being negative rant was pretty negative.

    My favourite part is that the fans have to get their shit together and its not about the players and ownership. I can state for a fact that amongst my friends who are sens fans that if they and myself have to get our shit together then this team will never win…but I’m willing to try and do my part!

    From now on I’m going to get up early and go to bed at a reasonable time…put in a productive 8 hours of work and stop drinking so much. I think if we all make this pledge the Sens will have a great year! Yep…I pretty excited about this, I may need a drink to calm down…I’m gonna start this new regime tomorrow…Friday at the latest!

  • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

    What’s with the overwhelming negativity in here today?!!

    I mean I’m by no means roses and rainbows all the time… But it looks like everyone’s do died last night in here.

    I honestly have no clue what to expect from this team next year… I think we are much better suited to play four balanced lines… That may be a good thing. I mean Boston has done it/scored by committee for a while now. Our defence has to be WAY better though if we want to play a less uptempo style.

    Should we consider that rumoured trade dead in the water? I mean something still has to happen… There are just way too many guaranteed bodies already, and apparently Ceci and Lazar are bodies they want on the team… So add two more to an already crowded team.

    • KJ

      whole summer to get things done. not too worried…

  • Zakary

    The sens organization is one of the classiest organization in the nhl they show respect to there peoples and they have been generous with cheo, ottawa and even gatineau.that probably starts from the top of the organization . If it wasn’t for Melnyk we might not have a team to cheer for we are lucky to have a team so appreciate it.

    • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

      Welcome to 8 years ago…. You know life continues to flow eh… I’m sure at one point Paul Bernardo did something nice… Guess we should forget everything after that.

      I hear Manson once helped an old lady across the street… He is a great guy.

      Hey you know who else used to be nice. Osama bin laden… Should give him a cart Blanche too.

      Yes those are extreme examples… But around here it tends to be the only thing people get

      • EK65

        Woah. Comparing the Sens to Paul Bernardo, Manson and Bin Laden.. That’s quality commenting right there…

      • Jakester

        Ted Bundy is that you? Didin’t know you were a Sens fan???

      • Zakary

        If somebody saves yours life 8 years later his just another asshole with your way of thinking

        • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

          And by your logic if they then take your life 8 years later it’s all good

  • RUSH RLZ

    Ha! All I can say is that I’m a bit surprised myself about the polar opposite emotional fans around here this week. Half going off the handle how our team will be so awesome and the future is bright and we are on the right track, the others decalring doom + gloom falling like torrents from the sky.

    Anything but peaceful and happy really. Poor Chirp is probably rolled up in a little ball in the corners hoping his Wisers delivery guy shows up soon.

    • Zakary

      All I know is if tooks says we’re going to fail that means we will probably Win so that’s great

    • SensChirp

      Ha. I’m actually pretty speechless right now. 5 years of running this site and not once have I been accused of being “too negative” about the team.

      Thinking I should hold off on that post about the impact of the budget on the scouting staff. Could really use a Robin Lehner signing to change the subject haha

      • RUSH RLZ

        You know what Chirp? We all love the Sens here. To a fault probably. That is why people are so passionate about it. You’ve been a great Sens ambassador for the team, always keep a level head, positive about the team whenever humanly possible.

        The fact is, there are a lot of very bad warning signs surrounding this team right now, as you said stemming from money / ownership issues. Sure there is a small chance this will work itself out or we are being too paranoid, but it’s not just people like you and I who are alarmed. Outsiders can see the issues with our beloved Senators right now are significant as well.

        When we traded Fisher et al, declared a rebuild, decided not to overspend, back then we were cool with that $ decision and the team direction. But things have changed and there are some very bad warning signs.

        Caring enough to speak up about the negative indicators around this team right now is the proper and level headed thing to do. Burying one’s head in the sand, or worse yet ripping a blogger like you for being ‘negative’ about the team, those people are far worse off that the realists that care.

        Here’s to brighter days! Yeah you never know maybe we’ll get walloped with an awesome trade or signing today!

        • KJ

          Keeping to the facts is best, but unfortunately, a lot of what is discussed is not main stream fact and only hearsay and tons of speculation, and that is why some of these discussions go south in hurry. But Chirp, IMHO has been the best out there in terms of level headed and objective writing about the Sens.

        • Miguel

          AHHHH, the sweet sounds of the voice of reason!
          Well said Rush!

          • RUSH RLZ

            Thanks buddy!

        • Tooks

          Fuck you Rush, I say that and I’m a turncoat Leafs sucking maggot…

          Happy I’m not the only one :P

      • KJ

        Yeah. I have not seen you ever being too negative. only one time about the budget months ago did you let your emotion go, maybe. By in large you have been mainly objective. other posters in the comment section are another story though. :) Honestly, I read that and thought it was one of the other active Sens bloggers and not you. lol

      • Zelle

        Please post it, I am personally interested on what is going on with the scouting staff. They have lost members but have they been replaced? Are they looking internally? Externally? Have they held interviews? Who would be hiring them? Etc, etc…

      • Miguel

        sick an tired of all you pessimism damn it!
        You need to see the bright side like Took and I ( cant believe I just wrotethat , sorry TooksI!
        We have 2-3 top 6 forwards
        14 – 3rd and 4th rounders – Hey but we will have balanced lines, who can play in their own end, right?
        we have 2 top 4 D
        6 D that would likley fall in 5-6 on the D on most teams, and a couple that may have a tough time in the RA league. This to me is the real problem on this team,
        But, they will all be committed to playing a 200 ft game, and work hard all the time, right? Hey put me in and I can give you 120% effort.
        Future is soo bright i gotta wear shades! Cmon, this team is not doing anything as they stand right now… did anyone watch the playoffs? We are no where near any of those teams right now.
        Chirp, you have always been a tad on the glass full side, from my perspective, and I on occasion, can be a tad too critical, however the state of this team right now, is sadly not a team destined to go anywhere this coming season…. with very little on the good news front, hence much of the negativity!

  • Zakary

    Dave what good will it do to try and turn people against the owner?

    • Sandy

      The Owner has done that all by himself.

      • Tooks

        ^this^
        Could force the Owner to realize, u no spend, u no win. Get help financially in the form of a partner, instead he’s a greedy sack of…

  • Corey Trevor

    So, Dave is the problem? …it DID all started when he stepped on the team logo in the dressing room. Congrats Chirp, you really screwed us!

    But seriously, the team deserves some doom and gloom from those that write about them. The Organization decided to take its foot off the gas last off-season when we could’ve spent the money to remain competitive. Then and now, we’re coming out of a rebuild with *cheap*, young talent and we should be surrounding them with the right complementary piece to win now. We wouldn’t have won the Cup this past season, but we wouldn’t have been the gong-show that we were.

    But Melnyk owns the team and has the right to make decisions – and not spending the available $7M in cap space on salaries last season was his decision to make. As a fan, you have the limited options of supporting the team either financially (buying tickets, merch, etc.) or indirectly by watching the games on TV and visiting their website.

    However, we shouldn’t blindly support the team (look at what that undying support has done to the Leafs). The decision on Alfie was poorly handled and contributed to the Sens missing the playoffs this year (although losing to BOS in 5 wouldn’t have been a great alternative history). The decision to extend Phillips makes little sense from a hockey and ‘budget’ standpoint. The decision to move Spezza only makes sense if you accept that the Sens won’t be competing for a Cup for another few years. I understand that Melnyk owns the team and has a right to set spending limits, but I also understand that sport franchises aren’t wise investment opportunities. From all the people I’ve talk to, some very connected in sports, they all say owning a team is done for the love of the game and/or the love of winning – not because you can make money; if you want to make money, there are easier, less risky investment opportunities out there. Regardless, the surest way to filling the building, selling ads, signing huge TV deals and selling merch is to remain competitive and win games – that, and not pissing off your fan base.

    Sure, we all love SensChirp because he’s the eternal optimist, but that’s not the reality of the team anymore. Alfie and Spezza left because they wanted a commitment to winning now and we couldn’t offer them that opportunity. It sounds like pissing and moaning, and it is, but this is the reality of the team – until we’re willing and able to make the roster changes necessary to compete at an elite level, the Sens won’t spend and won’t be a contender. Adding insult to injury is losing two captains/franchise players in two years, one very publically…
    With hindsight being 20/20, we should’ve kept Alfie, needed to trade for Ryan and Hemsky in the off-season and sit Cowen for the start of the year. Clearly Cowen hadn’t fully recovered/reconditioned himself after hip surgery in Nov 2012. Instead of signing Corvo, we should’ve landed a serviceable Top 4 Dman either through a trade or signing. We could’ve squeezed all of this just under the cap, although Hemsky would likely have had a full $5M hit, as would Alfredsson. Cowen should’ve worked on regaining his foot-speed and/or his positioning after his surgery – his timing was definitely off this season, and having him sit half the year to fix the problem would have been a huge step in the right direction.

  • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

    #thefansfault

  • spezzerman

    Oilers fans are mad they didnt sign either of Derek Roy or Mike Ribeiro and they have had 4 years straight of top 3 picks including 3 #1′s, so….things could be a lot worse. ;)

  • Miguel

    Chrip on a bright side of all your negativity… 12 months ago you would have had 70 posts on a “Monday news and Notes” article and this year you are over 600!
    We may be on to something here with all this negativity :-)

  • SensChirp

    New post up here. Only smiles and happy thoughts welcome

    http://senschirp.ca/news/senators-roster-little-crowded/

  • Spoons

    Lets talk Yandle.

    The guy is only 27. He’d be great for a team lacking a true 1st line. Having Karlsson move on the ice 25 minutes and Yandle play another 25, we’d always have a great puck mover on the ice.

    Cowen + 2 prospects not named Lazar.

    I’d do it.I’d actually be a little more excited about this new team identity.

    • Sandy

      Yandle was -23 last season. Don’t see him play very often. How good is he defensively.

  • BeJamin

    I think the reality here is basic. Look at what we’ve got… then imagine what we could have.
    Zibanejad-Spezza-Hemsky
    Macarthur-Turris-Ryan
    Hoffman-Legwand-Stone
    Condra-Smith-Michalek
    Methot-Karlsson
    UFA-Wiercioch
    Cowen-Ceci (Sheltered)
    Not to mention Alfie, possibility of Lazar making the team, wingers being shifted around. We aren’t getting the team we should have. And it all starts with the man up top. That’s all there is too it.
    The lineup we do have could make the playoffs. They are sort of what Nashville was in the West for so many years… except Nashville had a deep and talented defense. Ottawa’s is pretty sketch beyond Karlsson until the rest develop.

    • WaitingSince92

      Here here! Well put.