Monday News and Notes

SensChirp June 9, 2014 377
Monday News and Notes

-These are nervous times for fans of the Ottawa Senators. Not only is a Spezza deal just a few weeks away, but they also have some other important business to take care of with a few UFAs to be. Beginning July 1st, the Sens can “officially” begin conversations with Bobby Ryan, Clarke MacArthur and Marc Methot on new contracts. Ryan is probably the most interesting of the three. I’ve had good sources tell me that a deal is a slam dunk while a couple other messages sent my way suggest it may not be quite so straightforward. There has been a bit of a “the sky is falling” mentality around this team lately. If Ryan isn’t locked up to an extension by the start of the season, it’s going to get real ugly.

-Speaking of ugly, I keep hearing things aren’t going so well in the ticket office lately either. No numbers to quote but I believe season tickets have taken a bit of a hit heading into the 2014/2015 season. There were some awfully quiet nights at the Canadian Tire Centre this season and should the Senators stumble out of the gate to start next season, pictures like this one could become more and more common.  It’s tough to do on an internal budget but the organization has to find a way to create some positive vibes around this team over the next few months.

-As if there was any doubt about Spezza’s future in an Ottawa jersey this quote from Steve Warne via 6thSens should just about seal it- “”Talked to someone in advertising game last week. He said Sens instructed that Spezza’s image be removed from marketing materials.” Talks will pick up significantly over the next few weeks but Murray has apparently already had conversations with a few teams.

-The market for Spezza will be interesting with so many other options potentially available. Joe Thornton, Patrick Marleau, Ryan Kesler and Eric Staal are all rumoured to be available via trade while Paul Stastny looks like he may test the free agent market. Lots of teams will be looking for point producing centres this summer and it looks like there is no shortage of options.

-Looking at a crowded Ottawa blueline heading into next season with Karlsson, Methot, Cowen, Wiercioch, Phillips, Borowiecki on one way deals, Ceci on a two way and Eric Gryba as a restricted free agent. Ottawa doesn’t want to get into a situation where they are carrying eight guys on a regular basis again next season. Right now Cody Ceci’s two way deal seems to make him vulnerable but I really don’t think Sens Management wants him starting the season in Bingo. Murray has to look at moving someone out this off season.

-There’s a cool event being put together by @BringBackLee and the good folks at Silver Seven Sens and Bonk’s Mullet that should help pass the time a little bit during the off season months. In August, Maclaren’s on Elgin will host the first ever Sens Summer Fan Fest. For $25 you get food, pool table rental and a raffle ticket which gives you a chance to win some great prizes. Part of the proceeds will go to the Sens Foundation. They also have some great panel guests lined up including a bunch of local media and bloggers. Should make for a fun afternoon.

  • Hax

    The next 12 months or so will tell us a lot about Melnyk. Even he has to realize that there could be some bumps in the immediate road ahead but if we do the right thing and work our way through them honestly we’ll be better off in the long run. Please no Kovalev-type signings or BS to the media about running lean. Instruct Murray to get the best return for Spezza, retain Ryan and keep building forward.

  • EK65

    Does anyone think that slumping season ticket sales will motivate Melnyk to loosen the purse strings a bit and allow Murray to make a more expensive addition come July 1st? Or maybe he is hoping the excitement generated from the Spezza deal will increase sales?

    • FistsofNeil25

      I think what’s more likely is Melnyk telling Murray to aim even closer to the salary cap floor than the rumored internal budget figure 56-57M.

    • FBP

      Can he loosen the purse strings? I have no idea. It might not be his choice.

  • FistsofNeil25

    Spezza – 19 teams he can be traded to as per his 10 team no-trade list

    Kesler – Wants to be traded from Vancouver but has only listed 6 teams he will waive his NTC to go to. Those teams are rumored to be Chicago, Detroit, Pittsburgh, Philadelphia, Tampa Bay, Anaheim

    Thornton – Full NTC. Reports have indicated that Joe will do anything possible to stay in SJ, and if he’s asked to waive his NTC he will only accept a trade to a top contender and nothing less. That makes sense for a 35 year old

    Marleau – Full NTC but there are rumors that he’s open to a change of scenary

    E Staal – Full NTC. Cap hit of 8.25M for the next two seasons. Actual salary of 9.25M. He’s going to be hard to deal if Carolina decides to go that route. Likely only a big market team can afford to take on that salary, but most big market teams will have a hard time taking on his cap hit.

    M Richards – Still 6 years remaining on his contract at 5.75M per season. Any team would be stupid to trade for Richards with his current contract and declining play. Anyone who has paid attention to his game in the playoffs can see that he’s a shadow of his former self. He’s a good bet to bought out by LA this summer using one of their compliance buyouts. Still a good third line center but not much more than that.

    Brad Richards – 6 years remaining on his contract at 6.7M per. Obvious buy-out candidate.

    Out of all these players listed above, Spezza is going to be the easiest to move. The market for him will be the largest and Murray should be able to find a trade partner willing to come close to matching his asking price.

    • Don Ciccio

      I agree that M. Richards at this point is no more than a third line centre and it boggles my mind how so many people would want him back in a deal involving Spezza especially given what is left on his contract. If he were to bought out then, I could see Ottawa taking a run at him for maybe 3.5/4 mil a year.
      I think teams looking for a top line centre like St.l, Nsh, NYR, and Florida would be more interested in Thornton and Spezza and teams looking for a second line centre like Ana, L.A, and Chicago would be more interested in someone like R. Kesler……just my opinion

    • Tooks

      Yep but out of those 19 teams, only 6 are really interested and/or can actually pull it off.

      Murray wont get what he wants, no let me re-phrase, the fans wont get what they want. Murray will get his 3 pieces, none of them will be impact or star players.

      • FistsofNeil25

        This coming from the guy who just the other day said that the Sens could get Craig Smith+Filip Forsberg+11th overall for Spezza lol

        • Tooks

          Yep none of them are stars or impact players…mid level players, 2nd line players.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Okay so do you actually think fans expect us to get Stamkos for Spezza? Doughty for Spezza? Obviously we aren’t going to get a proven star. Everyone just wants to get a good package for the guy. No one is expecting an elite player in return for Spezza.

          • Tooks

            Yeah like I said, mid level players.

          • The Apostle

            I’ve said all along I think the maximum return would be 2 quality roster players and a pick. We might have to add something to get 2 high quality players.

          • Tooks

            Yep I agree, if we want to add to the deal, better players would become available.

          • Sandy

            Nothing wrong with a 2nd line player, Tooks. If the Sens get that 2nd line player then that’s a win for the trade.

    • WaitingSince92

      One thing to consider is the delayed effect the rising cap has. The next two seasons, it looks ready to jump a few million and it takes time for player salaries to rise and cover that inflation (because all the current contracts have value relative to the cap when they were signed).

      Anyway, this means that until the salaries all rise, teams will basically have what amounts to ‘extra’ money to spend, making someone like Staal slightly more realistic to acquire (for some teams).

    • sbs138

      don’t forget Rick Nash. remember when we tried to trade for him? sure glad that didn’t happen.

  • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

    Out of the about dozen guys I know with season tickets only 1has renewed and 1 is on the fence… The rest have cancelled and have said exactly why.

    • OverMind

      if the sens somehow managed to resign alfie, would your season ticket holder friends reconsider?

      • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

        Doubt it…. I know I wouldn’t

      • Tooks

        Its too late now, it would be a mercy signing and Spartans SHOW NO MERCY!!!

        • OverMind

          im thinking the signing would bring back the fair weather fans, those that dont follow the sens on a daily basis but know who alfie is. total marketing ploy that i think is worth the investment.

    • runningbear1974

      Is the main reason because of loving Spezza or hating Melnyk?

      • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

        More hating melnyk… Most of the logic is… If he won’t spend money on the on ice product why should they spend their money on it

        • runningbear1974

          That’s too bad… I feel the media has been more of a problem than Melnyk, they’re the ones spreading the propaganda, increasing the drama…
          After the NY Rangers series, we had a choice… Push hard to become cup contenders… When i say push hard i mean, spend to the cap, go get whatever expensive free agent is available…
          I think at that point Murray realized we’re not strong enough… We still need to build more assets within before making the big push…
          Then last year we had tons of injuries, and we performed really well… We had a great year of personal development… Woo hoo, the assets from within were developing…
          Then this year we figured with the previous injured team plus with Spezza and Karlsson coming back we’d be a good team… (But, bad things happened last year)…
          Now at this point… What should he do? Make a big push now? I personally feel we need to continue to build from within… Last year we lost a year of development because of giving the veterans the bulk of the ice time…
          I would like this year to be primarily development… Maybe bring in Stone, Hoffman, DaCosta… Hope 2 become NHL players…

          My point… I don’t believe there has been a bad financial decision in the last few years… The options and decisions made make sense to me…

          This is a fun growing team now… And this team will be extra special with Lazar and Puempel…

          Now is the time to support the team and be proud of it when it becomes something special…

          • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

            No bad financial decisions? Greening… Philips… Thats without even thinking…. Not necessarily financial but the Alfie choice as well(and I’m not a huge Alfie supporter)

            If they announce a Ryan extension I may reevaluate my no tickets… But I have a sinking suspicion that this will be another disaster.

          • runningbear1974

            I really don’t like the way Phillips plays… He’s a liability… So, hard to justify any money at all… But… In Phillips’ favour… He actually learned from being on the powerplay… He actually got better throughout the year… He was making passes he never ever made throughout his career… So, i feel i should give him credit for that… We need to be near the floor, and Phillips’ contract will help that… It is a fair contract financially….
            Greening is worth something close to Smith and Neil… So, no big deal… He had bad year, next year will be better…
            Those 2 points go against your argument that Melnyk is cheap… And he’s also over paying people…
            Alfie asked for 7 million from us to prove our loyalty to him… Whatever… He was more loyal to his swedish buddies than to sens fans… I wouldn’t have paid him 7 million either… (although knowing how things went down this year, Alfie may have been worth 7 million to us)

          • FistsofNeil25

            So Alfie asked for 7M and the team offered him 4M. Isn’t that how negotiations work? You know what the middle ground is? 5.5M – exactly the number he signed for in Detroit.

            He wouldn’t have left if Melnyk hadn’t disrespected him with an angry drunken email.

          • runningbear1974

            Sure… I don’t know what Melnyk said… Maybe he’s a bad drunk… He cheats on his wife… He lies and cheats in business… So, yeah he has character flaws… That would make sense to me if you were against giving Melnyk money become of his slimy personality…. But, his financial decisions make sense…
            Alfie left us the minute he started considering options… He was stuck in the motions he started…

          • FistsofNeil25

            Keeping Alfie would have been a solid financial decision. He single-handedly put fans in the seats and they probably would have made the playoffs with him in the roster.

            Instead they disrespected him and let him walk to a better hockey team and it was an absolute PR nightmare for the organization. That decision alone hit Melnyk right where it hurts him the most – his wallet.

          • sbs138

            I guess Alfie figured he should get 7 from the Sens and that was that. once they said no, he signed in Detroit for what was it…5.5?

          • Doc

            Propaganda?

            Good lord…

          • runningbear1974

            Yeah… When you exaggerate stuff… When you only portray one perspective… Yeah… That’s kind of their job…

          • Doc

            Facts are there and have been discussed ad nauseum, yet people still want to disregard them. That’s pretty telling.

            Choose what you want to believe.

          • runningbear1974

            I am not disregarding what he’s said… I think spending within a budget makes sense… I think thinking about points per dollar makes sense… I do think the “big names” players or overrated or/and overpriced… I like the idea of building “playoff performers”…

            Ad Nauseum => you are exaggerating that you had to throw up because of the amount of times that Melnyk has said “budget”? Yeah propaganda… pukey pukey…

          • Doc

            Hahaha did you just try and support the idiotic ‘cost per point’ ideology?? I know this will be rude, but man do some research a bit, you’re absolutely talking non-sense. This made my day lol…

            There are so many factors that disprove your way of thinking that it’s mind boggling you honestly believe it.

            => You can’t even get the expression right. Explains a lot actually.

          • runningbear1974

            I do believe in cost per point… I think someone like Malkin is overpriced at 10 million a year… He is not worth 1/7 of the team’s work effort…
            He’s not the one that got me to believe… I thought of that a long time ago… What’s better? 2 4 million dollar players or a 7 million and a 1 million?
            “Idiotic”… I must be an idiot… You know what… You’re not very nice… Your expression is probably a not very nice one either…
            What research are you talking about?

          • Doc

            The one you clearly didn’t do.

            Yes, idiotic. As in idiot. At least you got this right. Just type in ‘cost per point’ and see how stupid that notion is. That quote became the laughing stock since he spewed that crap. There’s a direct correlation between spending and winning. (Notice I didn’t say it’s the exact reason)

            This is clearly going nowhere, so I will step away from this conversation. But I’ll say this:

            The Sens will NEVER win a Cup with Melnyk as their owner. Period.

          • Dirk-Diggler

            I would love it if the Sens spent wisely and were a cap team! 23 players on the big team all on fair and good contracts! Cost per point has some merit but it has to be coupled with the goal of gaining the most possible points not spending the least amount of money to succeed.

          • Dirk-Diggler

            I wish Melnyk would just never speak to the media about the budget or anything related to the team. If the Sens had just said, we are in the process of a rebuild, then nobody would be complaining about the lack of spending. To me, it’s alarming some of the decisions that have been made with purely money as the driver.

            The good news is this… Greening, Neil and Phillps (maybe Cowen but he’s too young to be considered) are the only ‘bad’ contracts we have on our books. Neil is tradeable, Greening is a 4th liner and we can hide him there and Phillips is a 6th D man on a decent team. Problem for the Sens is that we don’t really have the 2-5 guys that can support Phillips being $6. Know what I mean?

            But, stacked up against other organizations I think the Sens have a higher proportion of good contract than bad ones.

          • Tooks

            Nothing is exaggerated, its all out in the open. It is a mess right now, you can choose to disregard it, like your doing now or accept the truth.

          • runningbear1974

            I am not disregarding… So weird people keep saying that… I’m agreeing with his financial decisions…
            I do think his finances are a mess, and that’s probably a strong reason why he wants a budget within his means…
            “Nothing is exaggerated” => You know what? That sounds like an exaggeration right there… Absolutely NOTHING…. Are you sure?

          • Uncle JOe

            I agree 100% with runningbear. I have stated the exact same things previously.

            Doc – you keep talking about how we have no facts, and we did not do any research yet you are yet to provide me with anything yourself. I have a interesting fact.. fact is you have no facts yourself and just keep saying we did not do any research if you don’t agree with what we have to say.

            Its very true that this is all a tad bit exaggerated and over emphasized. We are making a mountain out of a hill.

            I think WE need to change our attitude or we’ll soon be bitching about the days we had a team…

          • Sandy

            This team doesn’t have to spend to the cap, but it shouldn’t lose players like Alfie because of the budget.
            That’s the reality..

          • Uncle JOe

            But seriously.. you would of gave Alfy 7 to 7.5 mil?? I mean yeah, he was the heart and sole.. I just never thought he would get so greedy. I’m sure the Sens thought the same. When they realized it it was too late. I’m sure there is more to the storey then we know.. but lets not forget.. the agent gets what? 5? 10%?

        • spezzerman

          boo freaking hoo.

          • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

            Thanks for this great contribution

        • Sandy

          You had to know it was coming to that.
          I hope they told their rep and Leeder found out that’s why they are leaving..

    • wild bill

      How does Phoenix spend more than us…. Wake up melnyk

      • Guest

        It’s sad, but last time I checked we gave away more tickets than Phoenix did.

  • Dirk-Diggler

    I have two full season ticket accounts and renewed them both on day 1. It was a no brainer for me. I can still afford it and I can still convince my friends to come with me to games. The big problem for Ottawa is that the re-sale market is so cheap. Too many people put their tickets for sale on stubhub for $10. There is little incentive to be a season ticket holder anymore. Even the Sens have really scaled back the benefits package.

    But, how can we blame Melnyk for being cheap (which he is) if nobody is willing to pay to go to games? As fans we need to do our part in buying tickets and merchandise (not the fake knock-off’s either). That’s how the team will get the ability to invest in the roster.

    • FistsofNeil25

      I went to a fair amount of games this season and I can honestly say that every ticket I purchased was on Stubhub, usually on game day when they are the cheapest.

      If the product had been better this year then I likely would have felt more comfortable paying face value for tickets, but the reality was that the product on the ice wasn’t worth the full price of admission and every word that came from the mouth of Melnyk turned me off.

      If the the Sens want to put asses in the seats at the CTC then they have to do whatever it takes to put the best product on the ice and Melnyk needs to stop talking to this fan-base like we’re a bunch of morons. It’s as simple as that.

      This organization has done a pretty weak job marketing itself and it doesn’t help that every time Melnyk speaks he’s just shooting himself in the foot.

      • sbs138

        what about when EM gave BM the go ahead to get whoever it took for BM to win a Stanley Cup before he retires? do you think EM is just bullshitting again? I do.

        • FistsofNeil25

          That was just EM and BM talking to us like we’re a bunch of fools. Any knowledgable hockey fan knows that you can’t contend on such a low budget.

          and the thing is I don’t think I’ve ever heard from ownership or management that they will spend when the time is right. All I’ve heard is “any idiot can increase payroll and a lot of idiots do.”

          So yeah, I’m not the least bit confident that we will ever spend when the time is right.

          • Dirk-Diggler

            Any idiot can increase payroll… but let’s get a smart person that can increase payroll by targetting the right UFA’s and trades to bring in players that can win. I don’t want the Sens to be a cap team by spending $7.5 on Vanek, another $6 on Boyle and $5.5 on Callahan. I want them to spend on winners!

          • Doc

            Ding ding ding!

          • FistsofNeil25

            That’s what we all want. No one wants us to go out and over pay guys like Vanek or Callahan just to increase payroll and have more “name” players on the roster.

            I just want to feel confident that the money will be there when the time is right, and that the budget won’t interfere with Murray’s ability to make this team better the right way.

            Nothing Melnyk, Leeder, or Murray has said leads me to believe that will ever be the case.

          • sbs138

            true, but I wouldn’t mind having a guy like Callahan on our team. I just don’t know how much I would spend on him. how much do you pay a guy that’s in the 40 point area?

          • Uncle JOe

            Exactly Dirk.. Everyone wants to spend to the cap yet no one will tell you who we should spend on. It’s easy to say spend to the cap.. it’s hard to spend to the cap wisely. And what will happen if we are at the cap and Zabinajab’s contract is up? Say he progresses to the player we all hope he’ll be, he’ll want a good chunk of change. We need some cap space to sign our in-house talent when time comes. Karlssons contract will be sooner than we think.

          • Doc

            That’s the part that gets me the most.

            Fucking balls on that guy.

      • Doc

        Nope.

        Fans fault.

    • Tooks

      Nope, not really, Melnyk needs to show he is willing to committ to winning, he hasnt shown anything remotely close…None of the budget bullshit.

    • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

      What an ass backwards way of thinking… So I assume you only buy shitty cars? TV’s? Cell phones etc… Because hell if you don’t buy the shitty products how will the companies improve.

      Come on man

      The fans have been filling the stadium for years

      • Doc

        Yeah, I was going to say.

        So Melnyk’s money issues are on the fans. Got it.

        • Dirk-Diggler

          If ticket revenue is little to nonexistent, how do you think he can spend on the roster? Melnyk isn’t an ideal owner that’s for sure but it’s a 2 part equation. Both Melnyk needs to spend money on the team, and us fans need to spend money on the team. It can’t be a one sided deal.

          • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

            It hasn’t been until he decided to stop spending money

          • Doc

            You’ve got a very weird concept of how a successful business works.

            You need to have a good product with good support, usually of good value, for customers to buy said product. In this case, we’re talking about the on-ice product, which is sub-par, and doesn’t have support from the owner.

            Fans have nothing to do with how Melnyk’s runs his businesses. Stop trying to put blame on fans when they have little control on what the on-ice product is.

          • Dirk-Diggler

            We made the playoffs the past two seasons but season ticket sales were down and prices didn’t rise.

          • Doc

            Clearly the fans fault!

            Put a shitty product out and hope to sell it, so that we can make money and build a better product. You should pitch your business plan to Apple.

          • Dirk-Diggler

            OK, when the team makes the playoffs next season (which I believe they will), will you then buy season tickets? Or even a 5 or 10 game pack?

          • Doc

            I’ve been to more than my fair share of games, and have spent enough of my hard money on the Sens.

            When the owner commits to the team as much as the fans do, then maybe he (you?) can expect more fans at live games.

            Until then, I’m more than content watching the games at home.

          • Dirk-Diggler

            What if it’s true that melnyk has lost $100M over the last decade (I don’t think it is). But, if let’s suppose it is, then while it’s costing me a few thousand dollars a year to be a Sens fan, it’s costing him $10M/year to be one! Now that the new TV deal is in place I expect him to be making a substantial profit, but assuming he’s lost overall in the past, he still needs to pay his debts. So him profit maximizing and clearing out all the red makes sense from Melnyks perspective. Especially when we are not contenders. But, this all could have been handled so much better from a PR perspective.

          • Doc

            How the hell is that our problem? You know it’s PR bullshit though, you said it yourself with all the TV deals. It’s non-sense.

            It’s actually quite simple really: If you can’t support the team, for whatever reasons (we don’t care), then move on and let the team have a chance at success.

            The fans deserve better.

          • Dirk-Diggler

            So does he not have a right to recapture his losses? I don’t know how that would fly with any owner… If owners must consider all past looses as sunk costs and all future earnings as cost neural then I think that’s a bad business model.

            An OK business model is long term and in short periods of time there will be loses and profits. But it will hopefully average out to a profit in the long run.

            I wish we could spend to the cap AND Melnyk makes a profit without having to go 2-3 rounds into the playoffs.

            What do you want Doc?

          • Doc

            You’re mixing two different things here. Melnyk is not losing money BECAUSE of the Sens, quite the contrary. It’s one of his only venture that is making money. So all this is non-sense, and used as leverage (or bait) for future endeavours (ie casino). Don’t be fooled by what he’s spewing on the media.

            The playoff thing has also been debunked.

            I won’t rehash what has already been said by others, but a few blogs and journalists have already discussed all of these facts extensively. It’s all there.

          • FistsofNeil25

            If Melnyk has indeed lost 100M in the last decade then he honestly has the wrong people running this organization.

          • Sandy

            I think he’s lying. If this team was losing an average of 10M a season, then some of those losses would be offset by revenue sharing.
            I don’t think the Sens got revenue sharing.

          • Tooks

            Why in the hell would you want to make the playoffs this year? Of all the year’s, this would be one that you would want to finish as low as possible to get a serious shot at McDavid/Eichel…You want to win Cups or stay middle of the pack?

          • Dirk-Diggler

            I think our team will play better next year. It was a disaster from start to finish in 14-15 and I beleive we will bounce back in a big way. If you want to think the worst, that’s fine. But I think a lot of guys will put it together over the summer and we will succeed.

          • runningbear1974

            Propaganda… When you keep saying irrational things over and over again… “Fans Fault”
            At the beginning of the year everyone was excited about our lineup… The problem wasn’t the money, it was the players…
            No one expected this much shitty product from this team…

          • Doc

            Haha you’re even missing the point here too. I’m trying my best not to be rude (ain’t working much, huh?), but I was merely responding to his comment that it’s the fans fault that he’s not spending. Not that I should have to say it, but it was clearly sarcasm…

            As for your second point: A lot of us knew that they overachieved, and had to come back down to Earth. The previous season we still let over 40 shots on a lot of nights, but had phenomenal goaltending to bail their ass. Goaltending naturally regressed, and the end result was the defense were exposed for what it was.

            This wasn’t a surprise.

          • Tooks

            Its nice and all to make the playoff but did you really think we wold win out with the team we had?

            Melnyk and Murray just wanted to appease fans by keeping the team mediocre. Now the backlash of that is being felt.

          • FistsofNeil25

            I don’t think Murray expected this team to be anywhere near as successful as they were making the playoffs the first two years of the rebuild.

          • FistsofNeil25

            I agree both ownership and the fans need to do their part to support the team financially. That’s just obvious.

            The thing is, it’s up to ownership to do everything they can to ensure that the fans want to spend their money on the product. Has our ownership done that?

          • spezzerman

            you can’t expect a playoff team every year. I for one believe they got better last year despite Alfie deciding to move on. they gave us playoff hockey in two or three years where we shouldnt have had it all.

            If Bobby Ryan decides not to resign, for me, its the first actual evidence of an unwillingness to spend when it is necessary to.

          • FistsofNeil25

            I don’t expect a playoff team every year.

          • spezzerman

            fair enough but everyone is acting like we are doomed. we are not. its still exciting times ahead…as long as Bobby Ryan signs (and what that represents)

          • Tooks

            “they gave us playoff hockey in two or three years where we shouldnt have had it all.”

            Yep and that hurt us in the end, had we re-built properly instead of staying mediocre.

          • runningbear1974

            We were still able to draft Ceci, and Lazar… So no real complaints there…I don’t think it really “hurt” us…

          • runningbear1974

            I agree… It’s all about Bobby Ryan… If he re-signs we’re good, everyone else will probably follow… If not, we’re fucked…

          • KJ

            Um. Melnyk is no idiot. call him other names if you want, but he certainly is no idiot.

          • spezzerman

            you’re right. He is an ass though. He does treat his fan base like idiots, which to me makes him an idiot but for you I will call him an ass.

          • KJ

            that works. :)
            Multi-millionaires are rarely chummy people. Anyone I have been around who is driven and ambitious (in hi-tech for me), which you must be to have that kind of dough and keep it, have all been asses. lol

      • TookieIs100PercentRight

        When I buy a new car I don’t go out and say: “SensChirp is an idiot for paying X on his car, I’ll spend only $8,000 on mine since it still rolls on the road!” I get the best money can buy and it serves me well for a long time.
        The fans have been staying away and season ticket sales are down. I expect the home opener will not be sold out (again).
        TOOKS100% OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • FBP

    Removing Spezza from future ads? I wonder if there is already a deal in place?

    • Hax

      The ads are expensive and the process happens now for next year. If they put Spezza in them and then trade him the ads are suddenly counter-productive. Even if they’re only trying to trade him and think the odds are roughly 50/50 you can’t put him in the ads. Can always try to add more ads later with him in them if they end up keeping him.

  • FistsofNeil25

    Pierre LeBrun @Real_ESPNLeBrun

    Three years, $10 million for Palat in Tampa Bay

    ——————————————————-

    The 6th Sens @6thSens

    Ondrej Palat, he of the 23 goals and 59 points in his rookie season, will make $700k more per year on his 3-year extension than Greening.

    • Tooks

      I feel sick…

    • Doc

      Sadness all around!

      • FistsofNeil25

        Murray throws out lucrative contracts to replacement level players like free candy.

  • Dirk-Diggler

    I’m just asking people here, how many of you support the team financially?

    How many of you stick with them through the bad time as well as the good times?

    I hate the fact that the CTC is empty and there is little to no life in it. We all here clearly love the team but which of us puts out money where out mouths are? Some people contribute nothing to the team and only watch it on TV. How are you doing your part?

    We all want the Sens to spend to be able to spend to the cap. I am not saying they should because frankly there aren’t players available that Ottawa should be paying super huge contracts to that will restrict their ability to resign their kids.

    • spezzerman

      my ticket package for next year is worth $1450. AND i’m probably the only fan who wears a Cowen jersey every game…

      • FistsofNeil25

        I hope that jersey came free with your season ticket pack!

        • Dirk-Diggler

          a few years ago one of the ‘benefits’ was being able to get a personalized jersey. You did have to have a pretty substantial package for that benefit though… I was fortunate to be able to get one. They removed that option this past season and the next one though from the benefot chart. I wish I could have got the white heritage jersey personalized.

          • FistsofNeil25

            So let me get this straight… They’re struggling to sell as many season tickets as they have in the past, and now they are removing benefits. What’s the logic in that?

          • Dirk-Diggler

            They added other things and removes some things. Some of the benefits were probably little used because only a certain few qualified for them. I am not angry about them removing the benefit but kinda sad about it. Although, what I got for next year was pretty sweet and worth more than a jersey.

          • Tooks

            Melnyk thinks he’s doing us a favour by lowering season tix but also removes some benefits, guy is a clown. But even at that, the benefits were never that graet to begin with. All you need is a good rep and you can basically get what you want.

        • spezzerman

          haha, no I bought it two years ago thinking I was pretty clever. I’m still hopeful I can make it through a game without getting a beer dumped on me some day ;) This is the year…right??

          • FistsofNeil25

            A few years ago when our black heritage jerseys first came out the Sens Store has a deal where you would receive two free tickets with any jersey purchase.

            So I was trying to decide between Alfie, Karlsson, Zibanejad and Cowen. Thankfully I bought the Karlsson jersey lol

            I believe that was at the beginning of Cowen’s rookie season and Zibanejad’s 9 game tryout before being sent back to Sweden.

          • Dirk-Diggler

            I ordered a Zibanejad jersey when they came out! But, it took them too long to get it in (apparently I was the first to order the MZ93) so after amonth of waiting I just got a Spezza one off the rack. No big deal because Spezza is my favourite player but soon it will be retired from use.

            I did get a Karlsson white heritage jersey this summer though.

          • FistsofNeil25

            I’m waiting until the season starts to see which white heritage jersey I get. I love those jerseys. I’m thinking between Zibanejad, Turris, Ceci or Lazar. I just want to see how the roster turns out before I make any commitments.

            I have our current white away jerseys with Fisher on the back. I’ve been patiently waiting for someone new to come along and wear #12 so I can get their name plate to cover Fishers.

            Also have a home red Heatley jersey but I don’t like Smith enough to get the name plate haha

          • sbs138

            dude, please don’t replace the Fish.

          • FistsofNeil25

            He was my favorite, but I can never wear the jersey of a former Sen. I don’t know why but it just doesn’t feel right.

            So if the option for me is to retire the jersey and they it hang in my closet for the rest of time, or to replace the Fisher name plate with the next player to wear #12, then I’ll have to choose the latter.

            Although I will only cover the Fish name plate if it’s with a good enough player. As much as I dislike Heatley, Smith isn’t good enough for me to cover up Heater’s name on my jersey.

          • sbs138

            to me, Fish, and Alfie, would be the exceptions. Heater = no way. Spezza = probably not.
            I only own one Sens jersey, a Spezza one. I would buy more but I live in Calgary and don’t get to wear it much. now, I’m not sure if I ever will again.

      • Dirk-Diggler

        We should do a poll of how many of us on here are season ticket holders! And, good for you man! That’s probably a great package. Mine is roughly the same (a little more) but to me it’s worth it.

        • spezzerman

          its a flex 20 in the 200′s. a 19 month old and another on the way make even that a challenge but I’ve grown used to my doghouse.

        • Andrews theory

          My renewal is 4500. I haven’t done it yet and not sure that I will

          • Doc

            That’s a lot of mula.

          • Dirk-Diggler

            I hope you do. It will be great to have you at the games cheering on the Sens.

          • Lucretia

            Do you work for the Sens org?

        • Sandy

          My ticket is about 1600 for a half season. First row in the 200s. The best seats in the house.

        • Skeleton

          My seats are 200 Level, Row A for a cost of $6500. I didn’t renew this season after 10 straight seasons as I am waiting to see what happens with key contracts and players. My rep says, this season, so many STH did the same although he never expected it from me.

          Spezza is gone, that I know and have said from my very first post (which was maybe 3 months ago).

          So many key decisions to be made which factor into an immediate phone call to my rep.

      • The Apostle

        The only other person who does that is Cowen.

      • Skeleton

        Only current roster jerseys I don’t have are Gryba, Condra, Ceci and Wiercioch.

    • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

      I have in one way or another since 92 be it myself, my father, split tickets bought occasional tickets.. Merchandise etc… No intentions of continuing while melnyk keeps being a cheap bastard

      Hell even the last Jersey I bought was a knockoff first one out of the dozen or so I’ve owned

    • Tooks

      Season tix since 1997, but people watching on TV now do support the team just as much, even more. No TV deal without people watching TV.

    • SENSible Voice

      This team has had all the financial support from the community it needs to succeed. Your comment seems to suggest the problem is with fan support. It is not! The Sens were amongst the league’s best in attendance and yet the owner imposed an internal budget. It is that internal cap that has finally caught up with the organization. A team that struggles to make the playoffs is not an easy sell and the blame should not fall onto the fans’ shoulders but rather with management/owner who has taken the income and failed to re-invest it into the team.

      By the way, staying at home and watching the game on TV contributes indirectly into the teams financial health. Good TV ratings translates into a better TV deal for the team.

      • Dirk-Diggler

        Did you see the picture that Chirp posted? I think that must have been the Florida game on the Saturday afternoon… But the thing is, there were tons of games that there were whole sections empty. We are a NHL team in CANADA, how do we not sell out every game? Heck, even Edmonton does better than us! Frankly, I am embarassed that we don’t fill the CTC every game.

        I didn’t mean to say it’s a bad thing to watch games. But when people only watch games and never go to games you really aren’t contributing that much.

        • Sandy

          Most of the other teams in Canada have a huge corporate ticket base. Ottawa doesn’t have that. Winnipeg only has about 15K seats so not a problem there..
          Look at the Leafs as an example. They keep increasing ticket prices for a team that missed the playoffs 9 out of 10 seasons. Why? Because the majority of bums in the seats are corporate seatholders who just right off their season tickets on their corporate tax return as entertainment expense. They don’t give a damn how much tickets cost or what the team is doing, it’s a way to smooze their clients..

        • SENSible Voice

          When the team was a contender, we had no trouble selling out. The owner then decided to re-direct revenues into his other ventures and the product on the ice started to suffer as a consequence. The revenues, as the NHL cap suggests, has continously increased.

          Ottawa was 13th this year in league attendance. Before this disastrous year, attendance was far better.

          http://espn.go.com/nhl/attendance

          As for Spezzerman’s comment about the price of tickets, well I found a link showing the average ticket price in Ottawa was $138. Not free but anyone who buys tickets could have debunked that theory. Yes I know, promos undoubtedly brought down that average but you get the picture… tickets are not cheap.

          http://blog.tiqiq.com/2013/09/2013-14-nhl-average-ticket-prices-team/

          What the numbers show is that the Sens are average or above average in attendance and ticket prices and so there is no reason to even hint that the support from the fans might be a contributing factor in the financial health of this team.

          • spezzerman

            That link you sent was for the secondary market which doesnt benefit the Sens. You can go look at ticket prices and quickly see they arent an average of $140. And, I am referring to the 20th anniversary season and the lockout shortened season. The tickets were a lot cheaper than they were last year.

            The Senators are not in financial trouble now with the TV deals. My main point is it is a complete over-reaction from fans at this point to be abandoning the games. Let the summer unfold first.

          • Voice Of Reason

            Perhaps that is exactly what is happening… fans are holding off buying season tickets unitl they see what will unfold first. Part of what is unfolding might also have to do with fans’ disenchantment with ownership. All this talk of frugal spending year after year has hit the boiling point with the fanbase and that will hopefullly force Melnyk’s hand… re-invest in the team or sell while it’s a money-maker.

      • spezzerman

        attendance was up because tickets were free or next to it. Fans can protest however they want but we are not exactly the leafs or oilers here. Its really not been that bad. we are talking about one season missing the playoffs…

    • Misaow

      SSO since 2011, have 4 seats each night. Last year i attended 25 games, gave away about 6 games and sold the rest below printed ticket cost. Was really hard going to games all the time living in Orléans, which is why i only attended 25. This year i moved to Bayshore so hopefully ill get to go to30+ games.

      Re SSO benefits, i don’t like that they increased the price for extra tickets (bonus tickets) and they removed other things like scarves, hats, pins, etc. Was fun to give that merch as gifts to family and friends (and Buffalonian in-laws). Now i can barely afford a few bonus tickets and no merch :(.

    • Miguel

      I truly commend you and your support for the team, and agree with most of your comments. However when the team and management continue to promote and invest in players, that I dislike to watch, while signing others, and then HAVE TO PLAY them b/c of the stupid contract ie CP4, Greening, Condra, MM9, when there are other players, who deserve the shot, it sickens me.

    • Sandy

      I have season tickets and renewed for next year immediately. I have had season tickets for about 10 yrs.

    • TookieIs100PercentRight

      I had full seasons Day 1. I kept them, more or less, until the mid 2000s when we started losing to the Leafs all the time, then went to half package. We dropped that for a 10-game when the team bottomed out and now we just buy the odd ticket since Alfie left and Melnyk started with his money/I’m poor crap.

    • Skeleton

      $6500 for 10+ years, but I didn’t renew this season much to the shock of my rep.

      Depending on the next 30 days, I will have my Row A seats back with one text message sent to my rep.

      I am not alone in not renewing this offseason.

      PS. I get every single VIP reward because of my long standing membership. Have had dinner with Murray 5 times. Melnyk twice.

  • Chris

    Spezza is so underrated, I would take him over Kesler and Thornton any day.

    • Samuel Benzaquen

      the issue is that Spezza doesn’t have any other skilled players to play with. If we had the money to keep Hemsky, and to get another good winger for Spezza we’d have a perfect top line but we don’t have the money for it. The complaining would all stop if he started producing but he doesn’t have player who can play with him. That is why when Hemsky came everyone loved Spezza and Hemsky together.

      • Sandy

        That’s the issue with the budget. Keep Spezza, re-sign Hemsky and they would probably be around 60M which is 4M above last year’s budget. Alll it would take is for Melnyk to spend an extra 4M out of the 40M he’s getting in TV money.. Cheapskate.

  • sbs138

    its amazing what can change in a year. there was so much promise and optimism around this team (on the ice) after we made it to the 2nd round.

    • Tooks

      Well we did and we didnt, you only saw the small picture, eventually this was going to happen, the Sens just handled it terribly and now we’re here…

      • sbs138

        well, we knew Alfie would be leaving us soon but no one expected it to happen the way it did. I would say that was our turning point.

        • runningbear1974

          I agree… We’ve been looking very shaky as a team since Alfie left…

  • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

    Salary cap will exceed $70-million at that number… RT @ChrisBottaNHL: Source: NHL revenue approx $3.7 billion this season.

    • FistsofNeil25

      What does that say about the cap floor though? That’s the only number that really matters to us lol

      • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

        Hahaha so true

      • BackinOTT

        There was an article on TSN in December that assumed a cap of $71 Million and the Cap Floor was said to be around $52 Million in that scenario. I would guess it should be around that number if the report above is true.

    • Doc

      They also expect the floor to be at around 20 millions less than the cap, which means that the Sens rumoured internal budget of around 56-57 for next season would put them at the FLOOR!

      Fans rejoice!

      • son of a Diefenbaker

        HALLELUJAH ?

  • Miguel

    Tickets are slow??? Really??? wonder why?
    And before I start, a fair warning that this will not be poplualr on this blog, but it is what it is.
    I for one am not at all looking forward to this upcoming next seaon, and have to say that this team is worse off than a few years agao when they were sellers (Fisher and Kelly) for picks, that we could look forward to for improvement.
    As much as we hated losing those guys, it was a must move for a team that needed to rebuild.
    Well this rebuild has had some serious problems, and BM should have moved some real crap, regardless of what we got back, so we can have something to look forward to next year, instead of being a buyer.
    I would have loved to move CP4, Greening, Condra, Neil, Smith, and I really could not care what we got back, just to that we can give other a deserving chance. ( Hoff, DaCosta, Pageau, Boro, Wideman, etc.
    I cannot get myself up for another season of Greening, Condra, Smith, Neil ( god love him but to put him on any 3rd line is an injustice to any other 3rd line player), and worst of all CP4 in the lineup. As mentioned numerous times, he was a great soldier, but all good things must come to an end, and watching him struggle, and worse make others look worse, is infuriating to watch. ( CP4 please see Richardson, Jason Smith, they knew it was time to move on )
    Yet all I hear is that we are putting our top point producer (PPG) that can be a highlite real on any given night, while at the same time stuck to watch those other bad cement head players, who will be here for a couple more years, so they can miss the net, or stickhandle like they chopping onions… and lose games 2-0… Sorry this does not entice me to invest thousands.
    I am very sick an tired to watch players I love, Alfie, Hemsky, Spezza, Bishop, Benoit all leave, and then forced to watch players I am learning to dispise.
    So I do apologize that I have not rushed out to spend thousands on season tickets, to watch some players that I have lost interest in, while the ones I liked have left or ar leaving.
    I know not popular but this is my feeling right now

    • Sandy

      I’m not sure why so many fans are down on Zack Smith. He is a decent 3rd or 4th line centre on this team. He won’t get you 20 goals, he’s not there to do that.
      He did have 13 goals last season. His faceoff % for the year was 52.. That’s not so bad.. He is another physical component on this team that is lacking a lot of that.
      Murray likes him, so does McLean and so do I.

      • FistsofNeil25

        I used to dislike him, but he really grew on me this season. He improved his skating in the off-season and as a result, his overall game took a solid step forward. I think he can be solid piece of what we’re trying to build here going forward.

        The one thing I will say though is that we’re asking too much of him to be our shutdown center. I don’t think he should be the guy to go head to head with the top players in this league.

        • Sandy

          I agree, he shouldn’t be playing against the top players on the other teams. That will be Turris’ job going into next season.

        • whammer44

          Same opinion of Smith…he’s kind of grown on me but I’ve always thought he would be more effective on the wing…3rd or 4th depending on the line up

      • spgottawa

        Agreed! 3/4 centre that can play in a variety of game situations at a reasonable price….

      • Miguel

        glad you commented Sandy, and good points on Smith, and out of all that group I can take Smith on a 4th line with 4th line minutes. But its either one of him or Neil, and not both on the same line. Its not Smtih per say, its the fact that we have 12 of these types in our system, and I would rather someone who has more of anoaffensive threat…. PM and BM like CP4, so they are not always right…Tyler Toffoli is a 3rd liner in LA… that is what I would like :-)

        • FistsofNeil25

          Toffoli is a 2nd liner in LA with Jeff Carter and Tanner Pearson.Their third liners are guys like Richards, Stoll, King, Lewis and Brown.

          • Miguel

            Toffoli started on the 4th line this year, and played most on the 3rd line, he is playing 2nd line now, b/c he has earned it… wouldnt it be nice to have that problem in Ottawa???

          • FistsofNeil25

            haha yeah it would be nice but that’s what ya get when you operate on a budget. Young players with cheap contracts get promoted and work their way up a lot quicker.

            Guys like Cowen, Lehner, Ceci, etc get promoted early in their careers because we don’t have anything better at the NHL level.
            None of these players really had to earn their spots with the big club by working their way up into the big leagues, they were thrown into their roles because they are the most affordable options.

    • spgottawa

      Ticket sales are down because the Sens didn’t make the playoffs. Happens every time – doesn’t mean there is a lot more angst than your average non playoff off-season among the fans – save for this kind of forum. Sens remain a decent young team (with some decent prospects) that needs to develop and add a couple key pieces – and drop a couple of pieces. Let’s see what it looks like in mid July, and mid October before you jump off the macDonald Cartier bridge…

      • Miguel

        whooaaa, slow down, there is no jumping off anything, I love the Sens always will… but all the glass half full people cannot avoid the bad year, the bad contracts, vs the letting good players walk, and the bad trades of late… coupled with our entirer first line leaving, this does not inspire opening the wallet for some great Sens hockey next year.
        I do not have the crystal ball, for what will come for July and Oct, but judging that some bad players who BM and PM will be force me to watch ( CP4 and Greening ) and Spezza will be gone, it is really tough for me to get into next years team.

  • Harv

    Just stopped in to see what is breaking in Sens’s world and am again a little shocked at the doom and gloom scattered throughout these comments. Most of the doom seems linked to the Sens not keeping Alfie, the distinct probability of the Sens losing Ryan and the Phillip’s contract. Lots of attacks on the owner, some of which have actually crossed over into slander and, if Melnyk really needs money like you say then some of you may want to consider hiring a lawyer to defend yourself against his lawsuits, which based on what I am reading, he would win quite easily.

    My take is that Alfie was not worth what he asking as a hockey player. As a captain, in hindsight, he was probably worth keeping. But, seriously, a few years back no one expected Alfie to play last year. None of us know what happened internally, no matter how much speculation we make. Drunken e-mails? I have no doubt Alfie could have stayed a Senator in the final analysis. For whatever reason he chose to move on.

    The Spezza fans here are defending their man and more power to you. My view is that he is a one dimensional player, albeit that one dimension is pretty impressive. But, we need more from him and he has made it pretty plain there is no more on offer. In the face of that, the club has few options available. I have no doubt that Spezza could be a very effective two way player if he ever decided to go that route. Giving him the “C”, which I supported at the time, was a major error.

    I think Ryan has found a home, a team he can lead and I think he has sent out all sorts of vibes that is just what he wants. I don’t understand the hand wringing at losing him when he keeps saying he wants to stay. And, Melnyk has said numerous times the money will be there.

    We are stuck with Phillips and maybe he will be valuable to our young defense corps for a few years. Like it or not, and I don’t, let’s stop hammering away at something which is a done deal.

    Pageau, DaCosta, Stone, ZBad, Prince, Lazar, Ceci, and a few other guys are in the wings and are going to bring excitement, skill and enthusiasm. The next few years should be exciting times. A heck of a lot more exciting than being a Laffs fan can ever hope to be. Cool the doom and gloom folks. Cue, the drum roll. This is Sens country!

    • runningbear1974

      I find it easier to cheer for the upcoming players, then for the entitled 1-dimensional skilled players… I’ll be going to a bunch of games next year to support this team…

      • FistsofNeil25

        What do you mean by entitled though?

        • runningbear1974

          That’s a good question… Tough to get the right words… I guess, the opposite of grateful… Some players are grateful to be on your team… Other players feel we should be grateful they’re on our team… I’m not exactly sure how to capture it, but that’s the essence i think… “Too good to be here types” Grateful players are better… Determined grateful players are even better…

    • Sandy

      Bobby Ryan is entering his prime playing years. After seeing Spezza being traded and Hemsky not coming back that should signal to him that this team is still re-building.
      Why would he want to stay when there is so much of a possibility that this team misses out on the playoffs for the next 3 yrs or so?
      If Ryan won’t sign, he will be traded this off-season as well.
      So I expect more STH to cancel their tickets and the team goes from bad to worse.

      • Pasky

        Ryan will get signed unless Melnyk wants to start a riot. They would give him 8M a year if that’s what it takes to prevent another PR nightmare

        • FistsofNeil25

          I would rather them trade Bobby than sign him to 8M a year

          • sprucesens

            why, that’s what top talent costs? you’d rather trade him for more young guys that don’t get that much, then spend on other ufa’s that don’t deserve the money, just to get to the floor? 30G gets you in the 7.5 range, then its just term. More term + more money. I’d be ok with it. Gotta spend somewhere

          • FistsofNeil25

            Look at the other players making 8M in the NHL and you will see that Bobby Ryan isn’t nearly as good as any of them.

            Bobby’s comparable are closer to Blake Wheeler, Jason Pominville, James Neal, not Corey Perry, Phil Kessel, etc

            His value is somewhere in the 6-6.5M range, maybe 6.75M, but 8M is a massive overpayment.

  • Pasky

    I gotta say that our window of opportunity to win isn’t right now anyways so I guess that’s why I don’t feel as doom and gloom about not spending right away anyways. As good as our players are, they are still fairly young and are 1 or 2 more years away from being in their prime. Ryan is 27 and MacArthur is 29 so they can be the exception, but Turris & Karlsson are 24, Cowen’s 23, Lehner is 22, Zib is 21 and Ceci’s 20. That’s not counting any prospects like Lazar and Puemple that have a good shot of being on this team in the next couple of years.

    So I’m more interested in how Melnyk spends in the 2016-2017 season. That is the year where most of our current star players will have their long-term extensions locked up saids from Turris & Karlsson. That is the year that Phillips and Neil’s contract expires, so hopefully they retire or don’t get resigned. They are the last 2 pieces of the team that made the finals in 2007 so once they leave then we can really say that we completely rebuilt this team. If Melnyk still runs a salary cap floor team during this season then I’m converting myself to a Quebec Nordics fan (they better have a team by then lol, otherwise back to Colorado like I used to be).

    • Dirk-Diggler

      Great comment and I completely agree… It won’t be for another 2 seasons that we should be spending to the cap and adding a few guys to the good players we currently have. That’s when those guys like Zibby, Turris, Lehner, Karlsson, Ryan, Lazar and hopefully Cowen will be ready to compete as a group and win it all. At the moment we are a good team but not a great team. And, bringing in even the two best UFA’s available won’t push us into a contender for next season.

    • FistsofNeil25

      The problem is that comments like “any idiot can increase payroll” and “I’ve spent to the cap before and it doesn’t work” don’t translate to “we’ll spend when the time is right”.

      • Pasky

        I agree Melnyk isn’t wrong for what he’s doing, but he has no clue how to express himself without coming off as a retard.

      • Doc

        A fact that some fans still don’t understand. Nobody is advocating spending to the cap every year, but we’ve had moment in the past few season where a bit more spending in the right place would have made a world of difference.

        It’s like there’s no grey zone, no in-between. It’s either CAP or FLOOR.

        Even if Melnyk says he’ll spend when the time is right (already false), I really have my doubts that will be the case.

        • son of a Diefenbaker

          Your first 2 sentences couldn’t be said better

  • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

    K guys… I’m going to buy all the season tickets… We better spend to the cap next year!

    That should be the Sens tag line next year.

    Pesky Sens…

    #fansfault

    • Doc

      I like it!

      • MethotToMyMadness

        I love the Pesky side. And seriously, anything is better than United in Red or Be Red. Drop the Red already.

        • FistsofNeil25

          and Fearless? Yikes.

          • MethotToMyMadness

            Oh yeah, I forgot about that one, lol. If Pesky is used, they might owe some royalties to Condra. ;)

  • MethotToMyMadness

    In regard to all the news and notes on Spezza and having a hard time selling tickets to put butt’s in seats, I still think the Sens will do ok this year.

    If I recall, the year we started this retool, the Sens lowered prices of tickets dramatically after a slow start in sales. In fact, I purchased a 10 game flex pack and it was very well priced. I expect the Sens will do the same thing this year, and start announcing big discounts. Thinking back to that year, I purchased those tickets fully expecting the Sens wouldn’t have a great year and certainly wouldn’t make the playoffs. But what happened, the complete opposite. It’s amazing what happens to a team when they have to pull together and become a unit, not a bunch of individual players. That Team spirit continued into the short season and Pesky was born. It was a great 2 season run if you ask me.

    So we took a big turn backwards in comparison, but in reality we weren’t that far off. We finished the season on a very high note and we’re only 5 points out of the Wild card. Yes people will say that our competition in those games wasn’t as high as it would have been 20 games earlier, as some teams are resting players. But who cares, points are points and you play to win.

    Ultimately, I think this Team will do what it did 2 years ago and rally around the Spezza move and anyone else that heads out the door. Players have a way of doing that, and I can’t wait to see how they respond.

    • Lucretia

      Correct me if I’m wrong but wasn’t it Spezza’s line that was, in large part, responsible for that “high note”? The same line that won’t be there next year.

  • aegiszx

    Sens are so lucky they pay a very decent price for tickets… I’ve been following the Sens and Hawks since 02′ and I can tell you, the Sens have had a fairly easy ride. I know its hard to believe but there was a time where the Madhouse was… a desert. The pre-Toews/Kane era was just… it was sad.

    Granted, now the ticket prices are up wayyyy higher than 02′ due to the great amount of success. So for people complaining about ticket prices, enjoy it awhile it lasts… cuz I do believe the Sens are going to be a heck of a contender in 2-3 years time… and then youll start paying contender prices.

    Funny enough, the Leafs arent even contenders yet they shatter ALL ticket price sales (how can a losing team still have the balls to charge more than a championship winning team?!)

    • Pasky

      RE Leafs ticket prices, the Bluetards are dumb enough to pay for a losing product so why should the owners bring prices down?

  • Doc

    Chirp: Where are checking to see Predator fans trade proposal for Spezza?

    I’d love to read their input.

    • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

      Agreed

    • Pasky

      Based on the Twitter convo, Del Zotto since they think Josi is an overpayment.

      NO DEAL

      • sprucesens

        yeah, when talks were close of us getting DZ for greening/condra/gryba, that’s a huge no deal for spezza….

      • Tooks

        Josi IS an overpayment for Spezza, damn, he’s a young top 3 Dman who is proven in the NHL, he has way more value than a 30 year old, chronic back issue Spezza for 1 year…

        Unless we add to the deal, we aint getting Josi.

    • FistsofNeil25

      Sens fans will want guys like Josi, Smith and Forsberg but realistically will Nashville want to part with pieces like that?

      Nashville would probably offer up players like Ellis, Del Zotto, Ekholm, Wilson, Jarnkrok, Spaling, Aberg, Sissons, Watson and their 11th overall pick.

      • Sandy

        Don’t want Del Zotto.
        Jarnkrok could be decent as the prospect..

        • FistsofNeil25

          I don’t really want any of those roster players. Not even Ellis.

          • Pasky

            Agreed, I feel like we already have Ellis in Ceci, both small puck moving defenceman with a RH shot. I’d rather not have another D under 6′ if possible.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Huh? Ceci isn’t a small puck mover. He’s a two-way defenseman at 6’3” and 210+ lbs.

            Ellis is small, 5’9” and 175 lbs and he’s a bottom pairing defender who’s going to make a living as a powerplay specialist.

            The only comparable between Ceci and Ellis is that they’re both right hand shots.

          • Pasky

            Wow I must still be drunk from the weekend, my bad lol… Not sure where I thought I saw that but your right.

            In that case I guess Ellis wouldn’t be too bad but still not my first choice

  • FistsofNeil25

    What assets will Nashville be willing to part with for Spezza? They aren’t a team with much top end talent, so they likely aren’t going to be willing to part with any core pieces for the risk of only getting one season out of Spezza.

    So I would guess that Weber, Josi, Jones, Smith, Hornqvist and top prospect Forsberg are all off the table.

    To go along with Murray’s asking price of roster player+prospect+1st rounder, that leaves us with…

    One of – Colin Wilson, Ryan Ellis, Michael Del Zotto, Nick Spaling

    Plus one of – Calle Jarnkrok, Pontus Aberg, Colton Sissons, Austin Watson, Mattias Ekholm

    Plus 2014 1st (11th overall) or 2015 first.

    Will something like that be the best offer made for Spezza? Probably not. I don’t think Nashville has enough good pieces of interest to Ottawa unless they make something valuable like Josi, Smith or Forsberg available and that may be asking for too much considering that they lack quality players.

    • MethotToMyMadness

      The other question would be, does Spezza have Nashville on his list?

      • FistsofNeil25

        That’s also a very good question. If I were to put together a 10 team no trade list, Nashville would be on there. But every player has their own reasons for finding a team/city desirable/undesirable.

    • Andrews theory

      well if Nashville thinks they are going to trade for a top line center without offering up at least one very significant peice they are dreaming. Maybe if Nashville offer up 3 first or something silly but otherwise they need to be prepared to offer up a Forsberb or Josi as the center peice.

      • sprucesens

        yup, my thoughts exactly, we aren’t getting scraps like MDZ, or 3rd liners. There will be a top piece, or murray will move on.

        • Tooks

          Sorry to tell you but you aint getting a top line player for Spezza alone.

          • sprucesens

            and you aren’t getting 3rd liners either. Younger guys with top pairing/top line potential is what murray has asked for, and will get, or he will move on to the next team. As much as you might want spezza on your team, you have to remember the other team that gets him might be a team that plays you 6 times a year. That’s something else GM’s pay attention to

      • FistsofNeil25

        I agree completely, but if you’re Nashville are you prepared to risk trading Josi or Forsberg if Spezza only plays there for one season? I wouldn’t do it if I were the Nashville GM

        A sign and trade could get them to pull the trigger but that probably isn’t likely. I don’t think Spezza’s down to play out the next few years in Nashville without seeing what other teams are available in free agency.

        • sprucesens

          I think they could part with Josi. They already have weber, jones, ellis and I think 2 other decent guys in their top 6. they can part with 1 to get a top 1C. Trading from a surplus for a deficiency.

          • Tooks

            Top 1C for what…..1 year? When they can keep Josi, a young top 3 defnder for years and years! Ya, Poile is not the smartest GM but he aint Garth Snow…

          • sprucesens

            I would bet almost every team that is looking to get spezza now, has the intention of signing him longer term, if not, why even bother. Especially Nashville. LA, St. Louis and Anaheim make more sense for the 1 year option, but that’s about it. Even then, they would all probably prefer to resign him if they traded for him also

    • sprucesens

      ryan cost silfverberg, noeson and first. Murray will get close to this value for a PPG 1C. He might only get 2 pieces, but they will be good pieces. maybe just josi and Forsberg. Even if we had to add one of our extra D as chirp mentioned, to fill the void of josi leaving. But I still think they have the best fit, and have the potential to make the best offer of any of the teams interested. Like I’ve always said, we will get something good, or we won’t get anything at all, and let him walk next year

      • FistsofNeil25

        My post wasn’t to say Spezza is only worth Nashville’s scraps. The point was that Nashville doesn’t have enough quality pieces in their organization to risk giving up Josi or Forsberg for one year of Spezza.

        I just don’t see Nashville being the team to give us the greatest value. Josi+Forsberg would be hard to beat but there isn’t a chance in hell Nashville sends that package our way.

        • sprucesens

          yeah I agree. but I assume before any trades happen to any team, they will have talked to spezza’s agent, to see what he wants for contract/term and willingness to sign before any deal is done, or even discussed. If they could get spezza for 5 years at 7 mill, they could very well offer that, with one of our D going that way too.

      • Tooks

        Yes, we gave pretty much nothing to get a young 4 time 30 goal scorer. Silf is a 3rd liner at best, Noesen aint even close to making it and the 1st pick is 4 years away.

        Spezza wont get us much better, think about it.

        • sprucesens

          at the time of the trade, silf was viewed to be ready for top 6 and potential to be a 30 goal scorer himself. yes he didn’t live up to that standard, but I’d give him another year before writing him off. Noesen similar. Probably will be a good player, but got injured. May even ruin his career, simply because of timing. 10th this year, is probably a couple years away like you say. But all are valuable pieces. It could have just as easily been Zibanejad, puemple and the 1st. Basically, 3 1st round picks any way you look at it. Spezza isn’t as young, but isn’t going anywhere unless we get someone of that calibre (Forsberg) coming back. We might not get both Forsberg and josi without adding someone like PW, but its not out of the realm of possibility.

    • Pasky

      I can understand Forsberg not being available since if they go towards an offensive game now that Trots is gone, the he becomes their only and best offensive prospect. Out of that top list of players available, Wilson is the only one i’d be interested in but we can do alot better than him if he’s the center piece.

    • Tooks

      Maybe not the best offer but you are in the right ballpark, it wont get much better and shouldnt go much lower.

      IF Josi is untouchable, even if we add no our end, then Ellis, Wilson or MDZ are the best options from NSH and a decent return for Spezza alone.

  • MethotToMyMadness

    The Spezza being removed from Marketing Material is interesting. Not that we needed that clarification, because I think everyone expects he’s gone. But just go take a look at the Senators Website, Spezza photo’s or images are nowhere to be found. I mean, they can’t fully remove him, but it’s kinda strange. Makes me wonder if they still have his image hanging up in the front of CTC? ;)

  • SensChirp

    It’s always a terrifying experience when another fan base discovers SensChirp. These Nashville fans are a feisty bunch and have no time for information posted by an “anonymous” account.

    • Andrews theory

      well the upside is GM’s rarely consult the hard core blogger fan base before making their decisions lol…

      Dear Nashville fans
      you will give us Shea Webber and Seth Jones – in return you may have Jason Spezza
      that is all lol…

      • wild bill

        Greening + Phillips too

    • Doc

      Now I’m not as optimistic as some posters on here, but if MDZ and a pick is the return for Spezza, then heads are gonna roll.

      • aegiszx

        Why not? I think we could make great use of MDZ…

        • Pasky

          We could but not at the price of Spezza… Unless they include Forsberg and the 11th pick then it’s debatable at least compared to other trade options

        • Doc

          He way too overrated and not what we need.

      • Tooks

        Your expectations are too high then… Thats about what I expect Spezza will bring back, mid level player + pick + prospect.

        • Doc

          There was no mention of prospect.

          Just MDZ and pick, which is too low. That’s it.

    • SensChirp

      A credentialed Preds blogger is saying they haven’t had any substantial discussions. To be clear, wasn’t saying anything beyond “interest” from NSH but it’s interesting to know what the other side is hearing.

    • MethotToMyMadness

      Chirp, I was quit surprised with the results of a Predators Blog search, way more pages than I expected. Some are very well done, but only one had a post about Spezza, which was Fang Faction.

  • Sandy

    Maybe a few fans are waiting to see what this team will look like come mid-July and how they start the season.
    The one thing this team has to do is limit afternoon games for next season. There were way too many.
    Signing Bobby Ryan and Clarke McArthur is key to this team moving forward.
    The issue is, will they go after a centre in UFA if they don’t get one in the Spezza trade?
    Chirp, is there any rumours out there that the Sens are going to go after Stastny?
    I’m hoping that Melnyk needs a season or two with his 40M TV revenue to get his finances in order where he will be able to spend on the team.
    Cyril Leeder did say they had a good season last year even without playoff revenue.
    But if the season ticket base drops drastically, he may be changing his tune..
    A bad season this year could result in Connor McDavid, which may bring back the season ticket base..

    • spgottawa

      Afternoon games suck – that is one thing I’m sure many fans would agree on!

      • son of a Diefenbaker

        INDEED – afternoon games are of ZERO interest to me
        any I buy tickets for the upcoming season will be based on that
        above all else

  • Simple Jack

    sens fans will grow in numbers this year, the tsn deal will be great for this team. there will be no financial issues with this team in the future.

    • spgottawa

      Sportsnet and TSN deals are both good for the Sens and will more than offset the drop in the Canadian dollar which has been a real drag for teams like the Sens. Before people bad mouth Melnyk too much remember that the team gets revenues in Canadian $ and pays salaries in US $. So the payroll has actually gone up a significant amount in Canadian dollars. The TV deals will help restore the balance a bit which is why I think the Sens payroll this year can be in the $54-$57M range vs $50-$51 floor….

    • wild bill

      Melnyk will take the money out of the team. With the revenue he has from the team now he can have a cap team.

      • Sandy

        I believe he has been taking money from the team and the building for a couple of seasons to offset losses in his other bad businesses.

        • wild bill

          Layoffs at the front office.

          • wild bill

            People are letting them know. Who wants to pay good money for a bad team . Lot of people are not renewing.. It has to be a major issue. He will run the team in the ground

        • spgottawa

          Absolute speculation and pure baloney.

  • The Apostle

    Brad Marchand is on the trading block according to TSN. It’s not going to happen but I would love him on the Sens.

    • aegiszx

      WOW… If that is true… He would be one heck of a pest for the Sens. Pesky Sens? You can say that again. I HATE him on the Bruins… I would hate him even more on the Habs with their own pest, Galllagher. We need that kind of player that gets under the oppositions skin who can also be a scoring threat.

      • The Apostle

        Marchand used to board at the home of one of the guys who founded Sens Underground.

    • FistsofNeil25

      Yeah supposedly Johnny Boychuk is on the block as well. Both would be great pick ups.

      • Tooks

        Hell yes!

      • sprucesens

        oo, I’d take boychuk. He’s my favorite Dman on the B’s. Obviously chara is a bit better, but right now, I’d take boychuk, because of youth and a similar hard shot, with much less cap hit.

    • A-Train

      I feel like Marchand’s jumped the shark a bit. The act is wearing a little thin, and the results are thinning out too.

      • Yukon Cornelius

        I mean sure he wasn’t spectacular in this years playoffs but he still had 53 pts in the regular season so pretty consistent with the numbers he has put up the past 3 seasons. Plus he’s only 26 so you can expect him to produce at the same level for another 4-6 years. If he is in fact on the trading block then I hope the Sens look at him but Boston isn’t just going to be giving him away either.

  • Zelle

    Has anyone listened to the Bobby Ryan interview? I enjoyed the other three. So far Methot, Turris, and Clarkie seem to enjoy being a Senator. Hoping it’s the same for Bobby.

    • peetypuck

      That’s good to know. As long as Bobby re-signs we’ll have our core intact. I’m hoping that we see a couple of young guys have break out seasons…Zibby, Stone, Cowen and Wiercioch.

    • Miguel

      I am worried that the Ryan signing will not be as easy as many think. He has had his differences with PM, and with our top line leaving, he may be asked to play more defensively, ala Spezza, and he may not like those options. He obviously will say all the right things, but it has been noted that he and his fiance, really prefer the southern states where she is from.
      He may price himself to high so he can pick and choose after this deal is done.
      I hope I am wrong, but that is the rumour.

      • FistsofNeil25

        Meh let’s just send him to Philly then for Schenn/Couturier + Read

        • Miguel

          glass is always half full :-)

        • Jakester

          Plan B , no problem if he tilts that way.

      • The Apostle

        It’s always a good move to ignore positive things a player says because they are just “saying the right things” and leap onto all the other stuff which is nothing more than rumour and hearsay.

        Not worth worrying about at the moment.

        • Zelle

          I always go by how they say it, not what they say, as it’s usually more telling. A lot of people seem to think cold weather + non contender == good players leaving, I prefer to think that some players might be looking for a team they can build. I think Bobby can be that kind of guy.

  • FistsofNeil25

    Tookie what the hell man. Just a couple days ago you said that Josi + Sissons + 1st 2014 was a realistic trade for Spezza. You said that honestly two days ago. Today you’re saying Nashville wouldn’t even trade Josi alone for Spezza unless we added to the trade.

    Just make up your mind man. How do you expect anyone to take you seriously?

    • do due dew doodoo

      Tookie has never been about well thought out, intelligent analysis.

    • Tooks

      I said we needed to ADD to get Josi.

  • Hax

    It’s going to be another month before we really know what our team is going to look like next year. Spezza return, UFA extensions, any other trades/signings, the draft ….

    Going to be a long 4 weeks. At least the off season happens in the summer. Can’t imagine going through this waiting in -40 weather.

    • Sandy

      What I find interesting this season is that UFA players get to talk to other teams on June 25th.
      The draft is June 27th.
      Some teams make decisions based on what happens at the draft in way of UFA players.
      Certainly going to be interesting 18 days when the draft starts.
      Shortly after the draft, the development camp..

  • aegiszx

    Who would you guys give up for Seth Jones? Do you think his ceiling is higher than Ceci’s?

    • EK65

      Jones’ ceiling is much higher than Ceci’s. He has blue chip offensive upside and the size to be a solid two way defender as well.

      • FistsofNeil25

        Yeah I think most people would bet that Jones will be an elite player in the league. People will talk about him the same way they talk about Weber or Doughty.

        Ceci on the other hand will probably still be an excellent defenseman. I think he still has top pairing potential but I don’t know if he’ll ever be one of the very best in the world.

    • A-Train

      I’m less interested in what I’d give up than in what Nashville would ask for. Start with Ceci and throw in at LEAST one more young player you’d hate to see go.

    • Doc

      No doubt it is. He’s going to be a franchise defenseman, a true #1.

      Ceci on the other hand, might have top 4 potential.

    • spezzerman

      Straight up? anyone not named Karlsson.

      • Tooks

        ^THIS^

  • A-Train

    Duhatschek mentioned something I haven’t seen discussed here much. A straight-up “trade back” with Anaheim.

    So in the absence of news…how would that make people feel: Spezza for Silfverberg, Noesen and the 10th overall?

    Seems unlikely given what we know about the relative value of Ryan vs. Spezza. Maybe the Ducks later pick?

    • spezzerman

      I’d be a little worried that Noesen missed the entire year with injury. Id prefer new pieces, personally.

      • A-Train

        Personally I’d find that deal depressing … like my kid bringing old, broken toys home from the park.

        • FBP

          Yeah but what if one of those toys turns out to be Madame Alexander Eloise and it wins you a Stanley Cup?

    • Tooks

      Well with another year in the books, we’ve seen that Silf is just not top 6 material…Wouldnt want him back. Noesen has had major setbacks, he aint making the NHL for another 3 years IF that. The 10th pick would be nice but not a player that will have an impact right away, another prospect to add tot he 3 year list.

      I would do it if I was ANA but Sens wouldnt do that.

      • A-Train

        So at the moment it’s looking like Ottawa really robbed Anaheim on the Ryan deal, right?

        • MethotToMyMadness

          I said that right after Noesen was out for the year. Those injuries could be career ending. But as with any trades that include 1st rnd picks, you never know until that pick is made and time passes.

    • s3nsfan

      He stole that from me I said that at least a month ago

    • Jakester

      That’s ridiculous.

  • MethotToMyMadness

    As much as I think a trade with Nashville is very possible, if Spezza doesn’t have them on a list of teams he doesn’t want to go too, the Preds management won’t be moving both Josi and Forsberg. And I’m one who thinks Spezza has more value than most fans are giving him credit for, but that type of deal won’t happen. It’s not out of the question to get 1 of them, depending on what else is given, but it won’t be both.

    • A-Train

      So have we speculated about who’s on Spezza’s 10-team list?

      Here’s my best guess…

      Edmonton
      Buffalo
      New York Islanders
      Minnesota
      Columbus
      Florida
      Phoenix
      Calgary
      Winnipeg
      New Jersey

      Florida, Phoenix and Jersey I’m not super-confident about. And the Islanders could be getting more desirable soon — moving to Brooklyn, finally making a decent move in signing Halak…

      • Sandy

        I would probably add Vanc, Mtl & Tor.. He may not want to play in Canada

        • A-Train

          That’s true. So sub-in those three for FLA, PNX and NJ?

          • MethotToMyMadness

            To me, making those changes to the list, makes it a pretty good guess. We all think he wouldn’t want to play in a place like Phoenix, or Florida, but why wouldn’t you? Both of those places are great for Families, nice weather and you don’t deal with the Media at all. Personally, Phoenix would be a prime location, I love visiting that area.

          • sprucesens

            and much less tax in florida. I can’t see a player knocking off most of the quiet teams, unless they are the type that love the spotlight, in which case, all Canadian teams are good for them. Phx, Nashville, dallas, florida, tampa, la, san jose, are probably all desireable locations to play hockey and live a relatively quiet life media wise. The last 2 would have more though

          • A-Train

            I’ve actually speculated Spezza would be a good fit in Florida. Low-stress (which I think he likes), good for the family, I can see him getting along with Luongo — who also has a young family. He automatically makes that team better and they have the assets to make it happen (not to mention that first overall pick).

            The Panthers have a lot that’s desirable for Ottawa. And though Murray probably would rather trade out of conference, he can use that fact as leverage to pry something good out of Florida.

          • Jakester

            And Spezza coming to play in Ottawa for the Panthers puts a few asses in the seats. Maybe the people who went to his rally. More tickets sold.

      • Hax

        Decent list and the no Canada bit could be true as well. Though doesn’t every player want to play in his home town AND everyone from everywhere wants to play in Toronto right? (sarcasm)

        I think the only thing I’ll add is there could be a way he actually would consider Buffalo if his relationship with Tim Murray is strong. Of course, depending on when the list was submitted Tim might have still been with us.

        • FistsofNeil25

          From what I’ve heard (take it with a grain of salt) from someone close to the Murray’s, Tim isn’t overly fond of Spezza’s game.

          • Hax

            Neither is Bryan really, but that doesn’t necessarily mean Tim wouldn’t add Spezza if he could. But given he’s trying to build his first team he’d likely be a bit hesitant to simply inherit his uncle’s ulcer-inducing problem.

            Moot point really as I’m sure trading Spezza within the division is unlikely. So in addition to Spezza’s list you can add 7 teams that Murray would likely not want to deal with (some overlap between lists I’m sure). Doesn’t stop Murray from talking with Toronto to try and drive the asking price up though.

        • Jakester

          Tim Murray has said in the past that he wasn’t a big fan of his game.

          • Hax

            To who? I seem to have trouble recalling that interview where the AGM of a team said he didn’t like the game of his team’s highest paid player.

  • RUSH RLZ

    This fiasco about the marketing materials, even if true, is pretty silly.

    Yeah we know there is strong likelihood Spezza has a chance of address soon, and they start to put collateral together for an upcoming season way ahead of time, so of course while that uncertainty is there they will avoid using players they are not sure will be back…

    I’ve been in marketing for a long time. you tell an advertiser what to use, not what NOT to use, so the whole thing sounds like a crock of shit anyways.

    Long summer.

    • A-Train

      Yes. I think if anything it’s just another drop in the Spezzculation bucket…which is already overflowing.

    • Doc

      YOU MEAN THERE’S CHANCE?!?!

    • Hax

      I would expect if you’re using the same firm as previous seasons (who knows if Euge found someone cheaper) you actually might make a point of saying “hey don’t use Jason just yet” but your points are valid.

      Really, if a Spezza trade is possible in any way you’d make sure you’re not spending/wasting money/time just yet though. And no matter what any specific fan thinks the odds are, nobody can deny that a trade is at least possible.

      So really, the idea that he’s not being included in the early marketing work shouldn’t surprise (or worry) anyone really.

      • sprucesens

        …if only they were advised not to put Phillips in the advertising also

  • EHMatt

    I’m very happy to read that fans are not renewing their tickets. How else are we supposed to show our anger towards Eugene and his spend “wisely” *cough* not at all *cough* position? Fans want a winning team, not another Nashville. To be honest I don’t want the team to lose money, but I think this is a case where fans are voicing their displeasure with how the team is being run with this budget crap the only way we can.

    • Hax

      It’s tough because as a fan you want to have some faith that things can change and if too many fans withhold their money then Euge may shrink the budget even more.

      HOWEVER – it’s really up to the team/ownership to be the “grown up” in this relationship. If fans do drop their season tickets then ownership can’t use that as an excuse to spend even less. The cart can’t come before the horse. Hopefully Melnyk isn’t quite as dumb or cheap or crazy as some think and there really is a plan of some sort that includes an actual chance to compete.

      Re-upping Ryan and MacArthur would be a great start.

      • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

        Agree 100% on Ryan and MacArthur… If that isn’t done VERY early I will he even more worried

        • FistsofNeil25

          Unfortunately the organization doesn’t have much leverage in these contract negotiations.

      • EHMatt

        The old adage goes, you’ve got to spend money to make money. At least we know he wouldn’t be able to shrink the budget to less than the cap floor.

    • Sandy

      The best way these STH can deal with it is to let their rep know WHY they are not renewing.
      I hope a lot of it is that ‘the Owner won’t spend money so why would I’ situation…

    • Pasky

      My problem is with this “spend wisely” philosiphy that came to Melnyk in a dream apparently. There’s no reason that the team can’t spend wisely to the cap. Since Callahan is apparently a fit as per Garrioch, paying him 6M is not spending wisely, but paying 4.5M is. So if their goal is to spend wisely on players, why can’t you spend wisely at 65M for example? Does Melnyk think that spending that much money means he has to overpay players? Karlsson at 6.5M is definitely spending wisely, but if he was getting 7.5M would people be crying foul?

      Alfredsson at 5.5M is spending wisely considering what he brings on and off the ice, as well as merchandise, ticket sales, etc. Does that mean that adding Ryan and MacArthur’s exact same contract’s mean that the team isn’t spending wisely anymore? Those are all still viable contracts for what each player brings to the table so there is no money wasted there.

      That is why Melnyk has pissed off this entire fan base. If he wants to put a bargain team on the ice with little chance to compete just to make money for his other failed ventures then that’s his right as an owner, but don’t try to spin it as something that’s best for this team’s success. Spending wisely means only forking out cash when it’s an actual good deal, but being open to spending more as long as it makes sense. If Ottawa sits at 56.5M and we get a chance at a solid player that greatly improves this team and it only cost 3M, then spending wisely means you add that 3M. Otherwise your not spending wisely as he puts it, your just a cheapskate that has no interest in putting a competitive team on the ice.

      Hope he enjoys losing his STH until he learns his lesson. I’m sure once this team loses this internal cap crap that’s creating this whole negative spin on everything, STH will renew their previous tickets and all will be well in the world.

      • sprucesens

        another point on this, a reporter should ask the question, what happened to the green light that murray got when signed an extension. Or was that green light all used up on the salary retained hemsky deal?

  • s3nsfan

    Nice to get a new article my fourth day in the hospital. Thanks chirp for all the notes

  • jtf927

    the globe and mail article actually raises interesting points. i often wondered if we traded spezza to anaheim if we would re-acquire our first round pick along with silvferberg and nosen. the 10th overall + silvferberg would be of greatest interest. if this could not be possible, berglund + shattenkirk would be the another great trade option. despite all the centres now on the market, i still think spezza is a better option than thornton or kesler. staal would be the centre i would look at before spezza, but spezza’s point production is still superior.

    • Pasky

      Depends on the team I find, since not all teams need an offense first line center. Like Chicago for example, Kesler to me is a better fit than Spezza because they have Toews already as 1LC and with their cap restraints a Kesler for Sharp swap makes sense. Also in Anaheim, since Getzlaf is their 1LC and an offense first type of guy, Kesler would probably slot in nicer than Spezza.

      But then when you look at teams like Nashville and St-Louis, they don’t need fringe 1st line 2-way type players, they need that guy that can go out and get a goal almost at will, so a Spezza or Thorton is what they would be looking for.

      • jtf927

        anaheim is a mid-cap team though, and out of all the mentioned centres, spezza is the most cap friendly ($4 mill). kesler would for sure be better in chicago, they need a bit more jam. i have a funny feeling sharp may be on his way out. eric staal is another name i think the sens should look at, if he is made available.

        • Pasky

          Please you think Melnyk would pay Stall that much money. Cap hit is 8.25M but he’s making over 9M the next 2 years so you can forget about that happening. Also Spezza’s cap hit is 7M, only his salary is 4M so cap friendly probably isn’t the best term for him.

          • sprucesens

            I could see staal going to Toronto. maybe kadri, and phaneuf? If they strike out on the 1st pick, maybe this is an option. will need to go to a rich team, and Toronto likes paying tons of money to players, lol

          • Sandy

            I don’t think they have the cap space for that going forward..
            But would like to see them screw up their cap for a few years..

          • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

            Absolutely no to Phaneuf

        • Sandy

          E Staal’s cap hit is 8.250M. His salary for the next 2 seasons is 9.250M. I don’t think Melnyk would ever consider that. Not too many teams, maybe Florida could take on that cap hit and salary.
          I would sooner give a 2M raise to Ryan to put him at 7M and 2M to MacArthur to put his salary around 5M.
          That’s an extra 4M for 2 players starting next season to go with raises to Methot and Andy.
          You can bet that Andy has a much better season going into a contract year.

          • sprucesens

            2 seasons from now, but I think that’s what you meant. they are all signed this year. carry on, lol

          • jtf927

            i was not aware staal’s cap hit was that great. never mind.

    • ProfessorPower

      I think BM would be far more interested in DSP. He fits the powerforward/playoff performer mold Ottawa seems to be looking for. Etem is another possibility. I would honestly be surprised to see us go after Silf, LW is more of an issue with Ryan Stone Lazar and Neil as our potential RW depth.

  • sprucesens

    anyone else upset that NHL15 didn’t show more at E3? But what we did see was great graphics in the hopefully in-game engine. Tough to tell though, as it was all pre-made replays basically.

    • ProfessorPower
      • sprucesens

        yeah, how the heck can they call this a gameplay trailer. I see no gameplay Hopefully the player models look like that in game though. That might just be slow mo replays. Either way, I can’t wait, as I held off on 14, since I felt slighted that they didn’t make a next gen for release!

        • ProfessorPower

          hahah I thought the same thing..where the hell is the gameplay

          • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

            I think it should be all footage from soemone actually playing the game.

            Most of it does appear to be replays.(although I downloaded the UFC demo on ps4 and the fighter models do look pretty comparable to what they showed here)

          • ProfessorPower

            I was just about to say that! I’m sure the actual game play graphics will be much like the UFC game – which looks sexy. What else are they advancing? evey year they change something and promote the crap out of it..last year was the fighting. I guess they’ll have no touch icing, and what always drives me crazy is the dmen never try to hold the puck in the Blueline in the opponents zone when they skate close to it

      • FistsofNeil25

        Those graphics are pretty sick.

        Not that it’s a big deal but one thing I’ve always wondered about the NHL series is why the hell can’t they make it possible to re-sign a player during the season in Be A GM mode. It doesn’t make sense to only be able to re-sign players during the off-season.

  • Rafi Bomb

    “Nicholas Hand @Nick_Hand · Jun 6
    Hearing rumblings of a major shakeup inside the #stlblues front office. #Developing”

    Might have some interesting implications on Oshie, Backes, Shattenkirk, Schwartz and Tarasenko as well as a potential trade with the Senators for Spezza.

    • Sandy

      That’s not good at all.

      • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

        Why not…thats a pretty glass half empty view…it could be great if it opens up some of those names to us.

        • FistsofNeil25

          It could go either way. It could be bad if Doug Armstrong was prepared to ship one of those names to Ottawa for Spezza and someone above him is stepping in to squash the trade lol

          • Sandy

            There is only one person above Armstrong.. and that’s the Chairman & Governor..

          • FistsofNeil25

            and the owner.

          • Sandy

            Maybe someone wants Spezza but Armstrong is not going to do the return.
            OR
            Someone doesn’t want Spezza on any terms..

          • FistsofNeil25

            or it could have absolutely nothing to do with Spezza which is the most likely scenario.

    • A-Train

      Most probably good news, if true. After a front-office shake-up, the new regime wants to make a splash. Untouchables become touchable.

  • Sandy

    Pierre LeBrun @Real_ESPNLeBrun · 4m

    Campbell says embellishment a real problem in the game today and Comp Committee wants further punishment for it

    Gee, what are the Habs and the Canucks going to do?

    • Tooks

      You can say the same for Turris and Karlsson… Everyteam has those guys, once maturity hits, it goes away.

  • MethotToMyMadness

    Wow, totally didn’t see the update that Boyle went to the NYI for a conditional pick. WTH??

  • Mitchell

    Hopefully Phillips will pick up a dumbbell this summer and not another hot dog.

    • Mitchell

      I guess when you delete a comment it just comes back as quest :p I was watching senator game highlights and was getting teed off. This comment belongs to me, just vent but 4 thumbs up! I’m not the only one :)

    • Miguel

      Buddy I was totally pissed the last contract we gave him 4 years ago. It is truly a shame that this org knows how to both piss off its base, and at the same time turn great soldiers that put in some great work for the Sens, only to be shamed and dispised due to mismanagement, Alfie/Spezza/CP4/ Redden and on and on.
      CP4/Sens please see Detroit and Lidstrom! He could easily still play in our top 4 but he chose to retire on top, and a as a legend in Detroit. A good lesson to be learned by the Sens brass!

  • Mitchell

    Interesting note. Blues off season roster according to Scott Cullen includes jAson Spezza. I thought he traded him to the ducks. Maybe a three way trade happen :-))

  • Sandy

    Just got a look at the probably top 5 in the draft that were on with Don Cherry.
    I knew Ekblad was going to be a good hockey player.. but what a heartthrob he’s going to be.
    Sorry guys.. had to say that..

  • Jakester

    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=svCdZiNfbvg

    This Bennett kid is pretty dynamic. Anyhow , 1 of the Top 3 picks or a prospect like Forsberg and I’ll be happy with the Spezza plus trade. It’s all about having DYNAMIC pieces to add to an already Dynamic looking team(Karlsson,TUrris,Zibby,Ryan,Ceci and Lehner).

    • sprucesens

      doubt murray trades to florida, and the other 2 won’t be trading their pick.

    • Tooks

      The only DYNAMIC player on that list is Karlsson.

  • Sandy

    Wow, Quick is so good. No wonder a team playing in front of him can play with such confidence.. The Rangers are certainly trying, but to come back 2 goals on Quick tonight, good luck with that.

  • Sandy

    3 lucky bounces for the Kings — 3 goals.. I guess it’s just destiny. I would like the series to go 6 or 7 games, but by the looks of it — it’s over in 4 or max 5.

  • FistsofNeil25

    A Devils fan posted this on HF Boards

    ————————————-
    Vishal Hussain ‏@vishal_hussain 1h

    European Sources: Jiri “Cakes” Sekac has eight NHL offers, #Devils #Flyers #Senators appear to be frontrunners for his services.
    ————————————-

    Not sure who this Vishal Hussain guy is but it’s still interesting.

    • Andrews theory

      Ya, I can hear Murray’s pitch…

      We have three top 6 positions currently open

    • HarvardYaleAndPrincetonMan

      …..”Cakes” ?

      • FBP

        It’s a semi-palindrome.

    • Doc

      Vishal is now a play by play guy for a CHL team.

      • FistsofNeil25

        Yeah I guess he is or was a NJD blogger or something like that? I dno. It’s still interesting none the less. Murray always seems like he’s in on undrafted free agents.

  • Andrews theory

    I wouldn’t mind seeing the Sens pick up Boychuck to fill out our top 4.

    3.3 million cap hit and he can chew up some minutes

    Karlsson Methot
    Cowen Boychuck
    PW Ceci Phillips

    Gryba and Boro -gone

    • FistsofNeil25

      I would love Boychuk but what would Boston want from a division rival? He’s going to be due for a pretty big contract next summer as well. He’s also got a 15 team trade list worked into his NTC.

      Boychuk is exactly what we need in our top 4 to give Ceci some time to develop with sheltered minutes in the bottom pairing.

      • Andrews theory

        Well there is history with the Kelly trade and I don’t know how against ottawa players are, yet..

        Free agents is another story of course and he’d likely be a one year rental to drag Cowen around.

  • SensFanInMTL

    That pic from Twitter needs to be shown to Melnyk. Since he’s aware, he needs to glance at the pic as a constant reminder as to why it is what it is today. Esti d’mongeule. We may be doomed sooner than expected.

    • SensChirp

      Which picture?

      • Pasky

        I think he’s talking about the empty arena

  • HarvardYaleAndPrincetonMan

    …….

    • Doc

      YOU’RE HIRED!!

  • FistsofNeil25

    I don’t even like the NYR, but I feel kind of bad for them right now. They’re going through what we experience in the 2007 finals. Just completely outclassed by the best of the west. I don’t think there’s a team in the east that could go toe to toe with LA or Chicago.

    • runningbear1974

      I don’t like NYR, I hope they always fail… Doesn’t matter to me how handsome their goalie is :)

      I don’t think we’re too far behind them with respect to development… They’re sort of lucky they got where there are… We can be lucky too… (We were lucky in 2007)

      One of their problems are guys like Boyle, and Nash, are big, but they’re really not a force out there… Those big bodies only terrorize little guys… And LA doesn’t have little guys… You need big bodies that like to hit up against other big bodies… Those guys are posers…

      The interesting thing about LA is their defense is not all that great… Doughty is great, but the rest aren’t… To have a defensive team it’s more important to have your forwards play 2 way hockey than it is to have “good” defense…
      So, the problem with Ottawa’s team is not our defense, it’s our forwards, and their lack of 2 way play (which hopefully gets fixed by the draft)…

      • FistsofNeil25

        For sure defense is a team concept. That’s a given. I just disagree that our actual defensemen aren’t a part of the problem. I think our defensemen and our forwards are the problem and so is our damn system lol there are a lot of problems with this team.

        Maclean said in his end of year interviews that he needs to come up with a better defensive system so let’s hope he does that.

        We also don’t really have many of those big physical forwards that you’re talking about.

        • runningbear1974

          That’s funny, last year didn’t really look like we had a system…
          If we get the forwards to be defensive minded, the defense will do just fine… They just need experience, and they need to be able to depend on their forwards to help…

          • FistsofNeil25

            The forwards definitely need to help out more, but we have two proven top four defenseman and 6 bottom pairing guys. Until we fill those two other top four spots or Cowen and Ceci step up, our defense will not be fine.

          • runningbear1974

            There’s nothing to do but wait…
            Ceci is fine… Wiercioch will be fine… Methot, Karlsson are fine… Gryba will be fine…
            The problems are Cowen, and Phillips… Cowen, I don’t know what to say… Hope for the best… Phillips, is not fast, not strong, not smart, just old, he’s just a liability, need him to retire…
            There is nothing the defense needs to do differently, they need to keep playing and get more comfortable…

          • SENSible Voice

            I’m really trying to find something to agree with in your comment but all I can agree with is Phillips needs to retire. OK… I’ll agree that Ceci and Methot are fine but everything else is a downright bad assessment of our D.

            Please people… stop saying Karlsson is our only good D… if we speak solely about defense, he’s a liability as big as they come. Yes, he puts up a ton of points but he was on the ice more often then not when the opposition was scoring at will. He is a pilon!

            I know I’m gonna get slack for saying it but quite frankly someone has to say it. I’d rather have a Dman that puts up 20 less points but shaves 20 goals against us. I hope last season’s awful defensive spectacle was the result of him not being 100%, playing with a bad team, and personal issues because I’m quickly starting to be of the view that we should trade him while the value is high. Yes, I said it… we may need to trade Karlsson if he doesn’t improve defensively. Karlsson is not a PP specialist… he’s on the ice for half the game. You need someone more reliable defensively when you allot them so many minutes. Just my opinion… start the hate.

          • FistsofNeil25

            No hate. This year he was a defensive liability. There’s no denying that. It’s just tough to judge him because he had one bad season defensively after looking so damn good the previous two seasons.

            A lot was wrong with this team last year, and Karlsson’s defensive struggles were definitely part of the problem. Maclean touched on those issues at the end of the year, saying that Karlsson still wasn’t 100% from his injury. His achilles tendon may have been completely healed, but it takes time to regain strength and get his skating back where it needs to be.Maclean said that Karlsson was lacking confidence defensively because he struggled with his strength, pivoting, agility. This all makes sense when you consider the severity of his injury.

            I do know one thing, though… no one was complaining about his defensive play the year he won the Norris. I didn’t hear anyone criticizing him last year before he severed his achilles 70% though.

            I just remember him winning the Norris trophy as the leagues best defenseman. I remember the night Matt Cooke injured him, the TSN panel was talking about how Karlsson was making a case for being the best player in the game, not just the best defenseman, but the best player.

            Karlsson will be fine. He’s the best offensive defenseman in the game already and he’s shown before this past season that he’s more than capable of playing a strong defensive game. He’ll bounce back. Karlsson more than any player on our team should be give the benefit of the doubt. He had one bad season coming off a seriously debilitating injury.

          • Hax

            Karlsson is an excellent defender. When he’s able to skate backwards like his old self again AND when he learns better balance between taking chances and not he’ll surprise a few people.

            Skill is skill.

          • Tooks

            I wouldnt say excellent defender, excellent defenders dont bounce back and forth as extreme as -30 to +30 to -16 to +16…He’s ok at best but we all know he needs to score lots of points to balance out his defensive side.

          • SENSible Voice

            Agreed.

          • SENSible Voice

            He is far from being an excellent defender. At his best, he still makes tons of mistakes however he is able to use his speed to come back into the play and correct his defensive gaffs. Good defensemen don’t make as many errors as he does. Take away his speed and he becomes a glorified Joe Corvo. Let’s hope the old Karlsson returns… I mean the new and improved Karlsson.

          • Hax

            I think you’re confusing his intentional (and by all accounts encouraged by the coaches) lean to the offensive side with a lack of defensive skill. I’m not saying that he’s a shut down guy, what I am saying is that he has more than enough skill to be a shut down guy if that was what was asked of him. I think the team feels that he’s a player that should take risks and that the goals for will outweigh the goals against. But also, over time, he’ll become better at picking his spots.

            So the “mistakes” you’re talking about aren’t mistakes where he’s trying to defend and screws up, they’re more where he’s taking a risk to try and create something and it backfires.

      • wild bill

        Are we in the top half in scoring

      • WaitingSince92

        We weren’t lucky in ’07. We were GOOD in ’07. Not Ducks-good, but damn good.

        • runningbear1974

          That’s a matter of opinion… I don’t think the ’07 team could win against any of the teams that have won the cup in the last 20 years… They were good enough to win against a weak eastern conference…

    • Hax

      Except they’re not really being outclassed. NYR could have won either game in LA or both. They played better most of both games. Even last night they out shot the Kings and really all four goals were odd bounces. Not saying the Rangers deserved to win last night though. And I do think the Kings are the better team by a good margin, but the Rangers aren’t being outclassed so far IMO. I still think Boston could have given the Kings (or the Hawks etc) a run for their money. After Boston though the pickings do get slim in the East.

      • runningbear1974

        It feels to me like NYR are playing the best possible hockey for them, whereas LA is playing OK… LA’s OK is better than NYR’ best…
        LA has size, speed, and poise…
        LA has a lot of room to step it up, and if they do, the Rangers will be outclassed…

      • FistsofNeil25

        I guess outclassed is an exaggeration. As close as the games have been between LA and NYR, to me it just feels like the Rangers are fighting a losing battle. I just get the sense that they don’t stand a chance as LA begins to impose their will on them. That’s what teams like LA this year and ANA the year they beat us do, they just impose their will. Even if the series feels close, it’s not. I don’t know if that makes any sense lol

        Looking back at our series against Anaheim, the first few games were tight checking one-goal games. Anaheim won the first two games 3-2 and 1-0, then we won game three 5-3, with them taking games 4 and 5 but the score of 3-2 and 6-2.

        So while 3 or 4 of those games were pretty close, I still feel like we out outclassed when when I looked back at that series. We played right into the hands of Anaheim and grew increasingly frustrated as the series went on.

        • Hax

          Yes I agree with that. Another way of looking at the series is that NYR have done everything possible (though Nash and others are not playing great) and the Kings are still up 3-0. There’s no questioning that the West is stronger in general. Any of 6 teams could probably win a 7-game series against anyone from the East except Boston. And those 6 teams could likely beat Boston as well (though not as easily).

  • SensChirp

    New post up here. This should be fun…

    http://senschirp.ca/news/come-back/

  • http://www.Merchaholic.ca Merchaholic

    Retaining Ryan is a HUGE must. I don’t think I can really take another big player leaving. What a last couple of seasons to be a Sens fan man lol.