Monday News and Notes

SensChirp May 26, 2014 722
Monday News and Notes

-First off, congratulations to Senators prospect Curtis Lazar on yesterday’s Memorial Cup win. The Legend of Lazar has been building rapidly this past season to the point where an overwhelming number of fans have him penciled into their opening night lineup. Lazar’s triple overtime winner kept the Oil Kings alive and gave them a chance to upset Guelph in the final. Not a bad way for Lazar to in all likelihood, end his Junior career. See ya soon, Curtis.

-As much as I enjoy watching Montreal’s season come to an end, I am ready for the off season to officially begin. The inevitable Rangers vs. Kings/Hawks final will obviously be worth a watch but the real fun starts just a month from today when teams gather for the NHL Entry Draft in Philadelphia. As it sits right now, the Senators do not have a pick in the first round. But with a Spezza deal in the works, there is a good chance Ottawa does end up picking at some point in the opening round in Philadelphia. I’ve barely glanced at the draft eligible class this year but you can start getting up to speed here, here and here.

-We’ve talked about a few of the important RFA names for the Senators this off season but another one to keep an eye on is Eric Gryba. With 90 games of NHL experience under his belt, Gryba has solidified himself as a capable everyday NHLer. He’s coming off a pretty solid 2013/2014 campaign and is certainly one of the team’s six best defenceman. With that said, things are getting pretty crowded on the back end with Mark Borowiecki on a one way deal next season. The team wants to keep Gryba in the mix but making room for everybody will be a challenge. I expect Ottawa to move a defenceman this summer.

-Over on Hockeybuzz, Travis Yost has an article on the dramatically declining production of Colin Greening. It’s worth a look. Greening is coming off a dreadful season and is entering the first year of his three year, $2.65 mil a season deal. With Michalek likely on the way out, the LW (MacArthur, Hoffman…?) is starting to look pretty thin for the Senators so they’ll certainly need more out of Greening next year. Greening was involved in trade rumours at times last year and I believe at one point, the Edmonton Oilers were seriously considering a deal for the Newfoundland native. Wonder if the Oilers revisit that this off season?

-Andy Strikland was on the Fan 960 in Calgary last week and briefly discussed the Spezza to St. Louis rumours. The interview is here but basically Strikland confirms that St. Louis does indeed have interest and also suggests that St. Louis is high on the list of teams Spezza would like to go to. There isn’t technically a list of teams Spezza “would” go to so this has to be information directly from Spezza or someone close to him.

-Dan Boyle’s name has come up as a potential UFA target for the Senators and I fully support this option. With that said, Boyle isn’t going to be taking an sort of hometown discount to play in his hometown and at this stage in his career, is likely looking to play with a contending team. It’s a call Bryan Murray should make when free agency opens in July though.

  • AutoTurris

    Agree completely with everything said here, except I don’t see Grybz as top six.

  • Dirk-Diggler

    I don’t mind Gryba but I like him as our 6th or 7th guy. I just don’t want Gryba costing us a guy like Weircioch…

  • A-Train

    Bring on Boyle. He’d really help with what ailed this team most last year: panicky, bonehead play in its own end. How the logjam on D gets cleared up…..I’ll leave that to Murray.

    • AutoTurris

      While I am all for bringing in Boyle if we can, I must say that part of our defensive struggles last year stemmed from the inability of some forward lines to break out effectively. The Dcorps was rocky last year and Boyle would help a lot, but the offense needs to play a four-line, two-way game.

  • MethotToMyMadness

    I think Gryba has himself a solid spot in our top 6, if Ottawa holds on to him. Now you can argue that on other teams, with more talent, he would no doubt be a 7th man, but In Ottawa he is a top 6 and I believe that would be the case on many other NHL teams.

    You cannot deny what he has brought to the table since playing in Ottawa, which he managed to carry over from Bingo. He plays a more physical game then PW, but each offers something different and that’s why we saw a pretty good balance between the two all year, with Gryba playing only 4 more games.

    Gryba isn’t flashy, but he gets the job done defensively and had a respectable +9 (3rd best in Ottawa) this season while doing just that. My only issue with him is he seems to be a penalty magnet, getting the most inopportune penalties. If he can clean that up, I have no problem with him in our lineup next year.

  • Jakester

    Boyle will be expensive and we have 3 puck movers. EK,PW, and CC.

  • Doc

    Don’t we have enough overaged underacheivers on the backend?

    • Jakester

      We’d have 2, haha. I agree.

  • Jakester

    The Boyle dough would be better spent on a two way forward with scoring ability.

    • AutoTurris

      Fair

      • Jakester

        Another MacArthur would be nice……

        • AutoTurris

          My fear is that with the step we took back this season, no forwards like Griz are going to want to sign here… We had a glimmer of hope for being at least a third round PO contender last summer… Now we’re on the bubble for even making the playoffs. I think the FA market won’t be as rewarding as last year

  • PaulMacLeansDuster

    Boyle will be 38 by the time next season starts and was the only minus player on San Jose last year with declining offensive production. Stick with the youth please.

    • AutoTurris

      Are you actually Mac’s duster?

      • PaulMacLeansDuster

        Yes. I am currently covered in the pea soup Paul had for lunch.

    • Jakester

      Yeah let’s stop being the Expos, no thank you to Pete Rose. Pick up all these guys at the end of their career praying for past glories.

  • MethotToMyMadness

    On the Boyle subject, he would provide some welcomed balance to a very young Defense, much like Gonchar did the year before. Is Boyle going to get 50-60 points a season now, no. And the Sens wouldn’t bring him in for that anyway. He’d be looked at in pure veteran leadership role and would be a valuable top 4 in this org for at least 2 years, as I wouldn’t suspect a signing for more than that. I know a lot of fans are worried about the coin he’ll request, but Ottawa will have trouble making the cap floor as it is, especially is Spezza is gone. The question would then be, who’s leaving?

    • Doc

      I’d much rather we try and get a guy like Orpik. Would fill a bigger need and would cost a lot less.

      They already signed their ‘leadership’ when they inked Phillips.

      • MethotToMyMadness

        I actually agree!

      • jmikel

        Orpik is no longer very good and exactly the kind of player the Sens should not chase.

        • Doc

          But Boyle is?

  • Dirtysweetness

    If Boyle is signed in the off-season, does that mean Phillips is done as an Ottawa Senator? I can’t see Philly taking the 7th defenceman role.

  • The Apostle

    I think there are better options than Boyle to explore – although we might end up with him. By better I mean younger and potentially cheaper. People like Niskanen and Matt Greene should get an early look and then lesser lights such as Mike Weaver or Nikita Nikitin. At some point somebody is going to suggest Meszaros as well which should get the debate going.

    My preference however is that any Spezza trade includes a definitive top 4 blueliner in the return. If that means we have to give up Gryba or Wiercioch as well, then so be it.

    • Doc

      Agreed.

      Like I mentioned below, I’d try and get Orpik.

      • The Apostle

        Man, I hate Orpik.

        Pretty sure I would learn to love him if he was a senator very quickly though.

        • Doc

          I do too, and that’s exactly the reason why we should try and get it.

          The guy’s mean and a pain to play against. Not something that can be said of any of our current D.

          • The Apostle

            It’s like the difference between Colin Greening and Brendan Gallagher.

            I hate Gallagher and am close to damaging the TV every time I see his little shit eating grin at the end of the play. Gallagher is probably disliked by everyone who isn’t a Montreal fan.

            Whereas Greening is a nice guy who never really gets into trouble and nobody outside of Ottawa knows who he is.

            And the connection is that they are kind of expected to do similar jobs .2nd or 3rd line guys who should play physical with a scoring touch.

          • peetypuck

            Agreed, we have too many “nice guys”. We need a couple more dislikeable players. Even Matt Kassian seemed like a nice guy.

  • Hax

    I love the way Lazar plays. Still way too early to know how he’ll look in the NHL but so far everything looks promising.

    As for the D, I’m more worried about making room for what we have than adding. And if we’re going to add I’d like to be a really key piece that could solidify our top 4 for a long time, not an aging guy like Boyle.

    Now if in Murray’s wheeling and dealing we end up trading away a few of our current D then I guess adding Boyle in wouldn’t hurt, but there’s a lot to do before that even becomes possible IMO.

  • MethotToMyMadness

    With the recent story about Dallas looking for offense and more depth at C, I’m surprised I didn’t see more suggestions about what Spezza to Dallas would bring us? I’ll be honest, I don’t know the Stars roster that well, besides the obvious. And there are a few prospect names that ring a bell, so whom would you like to see?

    • Doc

      Valeri Nichushkin!!! ;)

      • MethotToMyMadness

        He would obviously be a star ‘no pun intended’ return, but they will not let him go.

        • Doc

          Bah…Boo for you for squashing my dream, mister dream squasher.

          • Frank

            Roussel, Dillon and their 1st in 2015 for Spezza and Gryba. I’d love to add some grit in Roussel and I agree Dillon will be a beast

          • peetypuck

            Whatever happened to Nill last year after he was accused of tampering with Malkin. Apparently after he traded for Sergei Gonchar he tried to convince Malkin (Gonchar’s buddy) to sign with the Stars, according to Malkin’s father.

        • The Apostle

          One of Roussel or Chiasson and Dillon.

          • Doc

            Dillon will be a beast for sure.

          • sens6

            Roussel love that pest lol him on a line with dacosta and smith would look nice forsure

    • Dirtysweetness

      Oleksiak, Chiasson and a pick for Spezza.

  • MethotToMyMadness

    Can’t wait for Lazar to reach the NHL, I think he’ll be a fan favorite here in Ottawa. A lot of people say he’s Captain material, only time will tell. But we aren’t seeing as much love for Ben Harpur, who was on the opposite end of that Memorial Cup moment. Harpur has been quietly putting up solid numbers as a D in Guelph, and this season, finished with a career high +34 and 16 points. I can’t seem to find the +/- stats for the OHL, but I’d have to think that’s among the leaders. Just goes to show the Sens have found yet another solid prospect for it’s future.

    • Zelle

      I think it’s because he is not flashy, which isn’t a bad thing. Like I mentioned before he seems to quietly go about his business shutting down the opposition. Personally I like that, but it won`t get him much attention when everyone is looking for the flashiest prospect (Mantha, Samuelsson, etc…)

  • AutoTurris

    Should have dealt Phillips to the Bruins while we had the chance…

  • Mike

    I SAY, TRADE SPEZZA AND EVERYONE WHO ISN’T IN THE PLAN LONG TERM VS. PICKS .. TANK THE SEASON, FINISH LAST AND DRAFT MCDAVID :) THEN BUILT THE TEAM AROUND MCDAVID, LEHNER and KARLSSON !! HEY WHO KNOWS, MAYBE THATAS MELNYK’S PLAN ALL ALONG ? GIVE THE FANS AN EXCUSE NOT TO SPEND.. THEN WE SUCK .. THEN DRAFT MCDAVID :D … THEN SPEND YOUR MONEY, WIN THE CUP :D

    ANYONE ELSE IN FAVOR ? :) I MEAN NOT LIKE CUP IS COMING TO OTTAWA NEXT YEAR ANYWAYS !!

    • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

      Let’s take a poll… Did anyone actually read the caps lock post?

      • AutoTurris

        No

      • Mike

        ahh well makes no difference to me .. just think this idea would be brilliant and wanted some feedback ! We would have a winning Franchise for years and years .. while only sacrificing 1 year..

        • peetypuck

          This idea has been discussed more than once already. Some are for it, some aren’t. I don’t think that anyone can argue that the Sens would not be a better team with Connor McDavid and this years 1st round pick ( Bennet/Ekblad) over the long run with a much better chance of actually winning the Stanley Cup.

          • sprucesens

            hmm. the only way I could see this happen, is if it was spezza to florida for this years 1st and next years 1st. Maybe add in a player to get a forward prospect from them to play now. Wouldn’t that be an interesting return. say… Spezza, PW, for 1st overall this year, 1st rounder next year(probably a high pick) and say… bjugstadt?

          • peetypuck

            That would be a great return but probably pushing it. Myself, I’d be happy getting Florida’s 1st pick this year and one of the two top picks next year, preferably the first of course.

          • peetypuck

            Then again, maybe Tim Murray would like Spezza for the #2 pick overall this year. This has more to do with strategy if we want to get McDavid since Buffalo looks to be the worst team next year. Spezza could help the Sabres win a few more games than the Sens.

          • AutoTurris

            Buffalo is surely on his list of teams though

          • peetypuck

            We probably only have to worry about Spezza coming back to haunt us for two or three more years anyway. Four at the tops.

          • Jakester

            Tim Murray has never been a fan of Spezza’s game.

      • Harv

        No

    • thepez

      You are hillarious. I love how some of you want the Sens “to tank” for the chances of drafting McDavid or whoever else might go 1. It’s the same people who sit on here and crap all over the team when they lose 2 games in a row and now you are asking for a tank job? Really?

      • Mike

        It wouldnt really be tanking, we all know Melnyk doenst wanna spend.. so trade assets for picks (i.e. spezza).. dont sign guys like michalek/hemsky (they dont plan to anyways) and let the kids run with it again and see where it goes .. just dont think we would be very competitive which would likely mean a top pick .. whatever.. I would just love a franchise type player like mcdavid ..

        • sprucesens

          yeah, if we go the youth route, it might happen, especially if we just get picks and prospects back. But that means we actually have to start playing some of them, and somehow trade our bottom line basically. Tough to do. We might turn into oilers east.

          • peetypuck

            I think if we were lucky enough to get McDavid to go along with EK65, Turris, Bobby and MacA the Sens could attract a veteran or two to play with them that summer.

    • Doc

      You know, I wasn’t too sure about your comment and the message you were trying to portray, but the caps lock tied everything together in a thoughtful and reasonable manner. I clearly understand your point of view now.

      • Mike

        Lol sorry mate ! what if I bullshit you into believing that I accidentally hit the Cap Space.. Would that make you feel better ? lol .. My idea was simply this: Trade any veteran players who arent : Karlsson, Turris, McArthur, Ceci and Lehner for picks/temporary replacements.. Test out our young guys for a year (Stone, Puempel, Lazar, Zibby, Hoffman, DaCosta??, Borocop..) … Melnyk is happy cause he doesnt spend .. Fans get a glimpse of our upcoming talent and we most likely end up in bottom tier meaning at top end pick .. Sorry I was wrapped up in my idea.. I could’ve gave more explanation.. But dont you dare tell me you wouldn’t love to land McDavid !

        • Sandy

          The Sens have to spend to the cap floor and they won’t trading away NHL players to play cheaper rookies.
          I think there is a penalty for not spending to the floor.

    • sprucesens

      no team tries to fail. depending on the moves we make this offseason, we very well could be in a position to that by ourselves, without actually trying to fail. Depends on spezza return, and what we do with the D. If its status quo and a fairly poor return on the spezza trade, then we very well could be in the sweepstakes. A better route, would be to play great hockey, and aquire a top pick from another team that might be in that range. Most of these teams aren’t dealing that pick, and not for the pieces we would offer. We’ll likely be a bubble team this year, and pick in the 15 range. But it can swing drastically based on what we are able to do in about 24 hours at the draft.

      • peetypuck

        There is not much chance, if any that the non-playoff teams will trade their 2015 first round pick unless they get a superstar in return. The only way the Sens get a franchise type player is to draft him.

      • MethotToMyMadness

        No team tries to fail? Then you didn’t watch the Quebec Nordiques from the late 80′s early 90′s when they went on the draft pick craze!!!

    • In the Bleachers

      Why are you yelling at us ?

  • EK65

    If acting awards were Stanley Cups we would have all of them.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjkIOV4W7Dw&feature=youtu.be

    • Zelle

      Thank you for this I needed a good laugh. Great cause though!

  • AutoTurris

    Spezza for Berglund, Cole from STL. Weircioch, Gryba for Stewart. Pick up Orpik and Raymond.

    Griz / Turris / Ryan
    Greening / Berglund / Stewart
    Hoffman / Zib / Stone
    Raymond / Smith / Niel
    *Condra*

    Karl / Methot
    Orpik / Cole
    Ceci / Phillips
    *Cowen / Boro*

    Andy
    Lehner

    • sprucesens

      that is a yucky 2nd line. not a fan. any team that has greening on the 2nd line is doomed for failure. I don’t despise the other 2, but would rather the team go a different route. Don’t mind Raymond, but don’t really see a need for him unless we strike out on all the other UFA forwards. We have prospects that want to play, and we need to see what we have before we trade them or keep them long term. Haven’t heard much of anything ever about cole. What’s the scoop?

      • AutoTurris

        He’s a decent piece, has potential but struggled for playing time over in St. Louis. Figured he could help a bit in the back. As for the second line, I know not great but here’s my thinking; the Stewart trade is inevitable, so either second or third line (maybe Stone could be 2RW). As for Greening… This was the lesser of two evils, my other thought was to put him on the 4th line but I think we’d all rather blow our brains out than watch GSN again.

        • sprucesens

          lol. yeah. is cole an actual upgrade to PW though? I think you might be right on stewart though. I would bet its Prince and one of the D for stewart at retained salary. I just can’t fathom Greening anywhere on the team other than the 4th line. If maclean actually uses them as a 4th line, and not the 3rd, then the damage might be minimal

          • AutoTurris

            True on the PW point. Maybe go for another winger like Paajarvi from STL instead. Also, I think the UFA pool will be sparce for good pieces coming our way this summer so I figured Raymond was a safe bet.

    • AutoTurris

      Or hang on to Weircioch and do Gryba + Boro

      • AutoTurris

        Paajarvi / Berglund / Stone 2nd
        Hoffman / Zib / Stewart 3rd

        • Sandy

          Paajarvi can stay where he is…

  • sprucesens

    I posted this below, flying by the seat of my pants, without looking into what florida has for C prospects. I am only familiar with huberdeau barkov, and bjugstadt. But what would you guys think of Florida’s 1st overall, their 1st next year, and bjugstadt or other lower level prospect at C, but can play now, for spezza and one of our D(gryba, PW, Boro, hell cowen) I think we would certainly be better in the long run, and I think florida is under pressure to make the playoffs now. I think this would only happen under the assumption that spezza signs, as well. Thoughts? I think everyone will love that return, but do we give enough/overpay? Take your reservations about spezza out of it, and realize that they are getting the best player in the trade, which is usually considered the winner of the trade, then evaluate it.

    • Doc

      Two firsts and a prospect for Spezza? Not going to happen.

      • AutoTurris

        McDavid has got everyone’s head seeing stars; we can’t plan for a Crosby, we have guys that want playoff contention now (Ryan, Mac, etc.). Lose them for picks? No thanks.

      • sprucesens

        murray asked for a roster player, a prospect and a 1st rounder. This replaces the roster player with a 1st. Just depends on how much each team values spezza, and the 1st overall this year. Chances are spezza will be the best player traded in this scenario, but gives us a brighter younger future.

        • Doc

          That’s his asking price.

          Not gonna happen.

    • peetypuck

      Florida has the cap space and the need for a star-calibre player to win and put butts in the seats. I believe the owner has asked Broward County ( owns the arena) for $80 million in tax money early this spring to help the team. Don’t expect Dave Tallon to trade anyone good except his 1st overall pick.

      • sprucesens

        yeah, that’s sort of the rumours I saw too. What about Spezza + Cowen for 1st,1st mid level prospect? I can’t see us sending out that much money without taking some back. I think the deal is fairly even though. I assume(to autoturris) that we will have resigned MacA ryan and so on. If we make the trade for something like that, then sign 1 or 2 top UFA’s to big dollar contracts, (which we would need to get to the floor) I don’t think it would look too bad on the organization for getting top dollar in a trade, and giving up nothing to sign top ufa’s. Let’s say we also acquire stewart for Prince +, and say… Cammalleri or Moulson around 6 mill for 4 years. I think we would still have a decent looking team.
        Mac-Turris-Ryan
        UFA-Zib-Stone
        Hoffman-Dacosta-Stewart
        Greening-Smith-Neil
        Condra
        Methot-Karlsson
        Phillips-Ceci
        PW-Gryba
        Boro, Claesson.
        While we acquire bennet/reinhart, or maybe even ekblad if we feel that’s the better choice, as well as a decent shot at a top 10 pick next year. I still prefer my PW, Spezza, for Josi, and Forsberg trade, but I thought I’d put this out there, since Florida has shown interest, and we had also talked to them earlier in the year for D help. not sure what else we could do for equal value trades

        • peetypuck

          It depends if Spezza has him on his no-trade list.

          • sprucesens

            yup, but that can be said about all 29 teams.

          • peetypuck

            I’ve already said that I would be happy with a Spezza for the 1st overall pick. Anything more than that would be pure gravy in my eyes.

  • OleHeaveHoFlipperoooni

    Usual Lurker, Rare poster here.

    My gut feeling off season signing was Boyle in April. Hopefully play a good year in his hometown and retire. I’d take him here

    Soooo, while digging for rumors and stuff last week and checking out prospects something occurred to me. Which would be very interesting to see to say the least….

    What if…

    Spezza gets traded and the team that acquires him signs Heatley???

    Could it happen???

    • AutoTurris

      Oh shit

    • AutoTurris

      Expensive, but not impossible because he’d want to go to a contender and chances are they’d be a cap team too

    • peetypuck

      It would take a team like Florida with enough cap space to trade for Spezza and sign him and Heatly and possibly Hemsky.

    • OleHeaveHoFlipperoooni

      Its hilarious if Heatley thinks hes gonna get PAID. Dudes got to Re-Prove he can still be effective.

      If he gets anymore than 4 mill its a joke. Even 4′s a stretch. Sad thing is though he’ll likely get it from some dumb gm thinking it’s the “piece” he needs

  • ProfessorPower

    I think if we get a 1st round pick back form the Spezza deal we are more likely to flip it then take our pick. if we kept our 10th overall pick I think most of us would really consider trading it for a top 4D/top 6 winger. In that case im hoping we can get something like Etem + DSP + 10th and then flip the 10th for someone like Kevin Bieksa – i think vancouver should rebuild anyway.

    STL is interesting to me, but I really dont want a guy like Berglund coming back…hes just another mediocre piece that wont really help much imo. It seems all the players we would want would be off the table..If were not getting one of Oshie Tarasenko Schwarts Backes or Shattenkirk im not too interested…and since that may be far fetched id be more happy goign after ready now prospects (Etem DSP Jones Forsberg..ect) or proven winners and playoff help (Richards + Clifford/King) type of deal.

  • OleHeaveHoFlipperoooni

    Anyone here take Vermette back?

    Spezz with Michalek’s rights + to Phoe.. ooopps Arizona!

    For

    Samuelson ( Lazar’s line mate )
    Vermmy
    Michael Stone

    • Jakester

      That would be wishful thinking(getting Stone too). Maybe just vermette and Samuelsson. Not a bad return I guess.

      • spezzerman

        Lazar and Samuelson never play together.

        • Jakester

          Teammate he meant I guess, Cuz they are both Centers.

        • peetypuck

          I noticed they played together on the PP.

          • spezzerman

            ok, never was too harsh. They aren’t linemates though, just wanted to clarify.

          • OleHeaveHoFlipperoooni

            Thx. Wasn’t sure

          • Jakester

            And Lazar will most probably start his pro career as a winger.

    • Rafi Bomb

      I would rather acquire Hanzal instead of Vermette. I like the idea of acquiring Samuelsson and Stone, another player I would target would be Max Domi.

  • RandyCunneyworth7

    Has everyone simply written off Hemsky coming back? Is that just a foregone conclusion that he is not a Senator next year?

    • Jakester

      I still think he might get signed, haven’t closed the door on him.

      • Sandy

        He’s gone. He wants to play in the playoffs.. That’s probably not happening in Ottawa next season..

    • spezzerman

      He himself said he wants to play for a Center of Spezza’s caliber. He may not find that in Ottawa so will likely look elsewhere.

    • Zelle

      I still think he might sign but I wouldn’t be surprised if he didn’t. He’s a big question mark for two main reasons: money, loyalty. Does Ottawa want to spend the money to keep him? He has no reasons to stay in Ottawa due to loyalty. Not a mark against him, it just takes a potential “staying” factor away.

    • Jordan

      Out of him and Michalek, I think michaleks more likely to be back. Hopefully at a reasonable salary. But I could care less if both walk. I want guys who want to play here and not just play for the money.

      This team needs a new identity. Go with the O and make Turris captain. Put one of the A’s on Karlsson and the other on Grizz.

  • peetypuck

    Keep your eyes on the financial pages tomorrow. Sandy commented a couple of days ago that Trimel Pharmaceuticals (Melnyk is the major shareholder) is expected to have good news on a couple of new drugs that have been going through testing. If the news is good the stocks may start to pop which means a lot of money in EM’s pocket.

    • Frank

      If they’re “make Spezza play defence” drugs, our problem is solved!!!

      • peetypuck

        Hahahaha !!!

      • In the Bleachers

        LMAO – post of the month

      • runningbear1974

        if Spezza was a winger it would be less costly his lack of defence…

    • Jakester

      Maybe they’ll come out with a reverse Viagra pill, something to give Spezza a Back Bone-r!

      • peetypuck

        Actually, one of their new drugs is for women with sexual problems. A second drug is to treat men with low sperm counts.

  • lbernier

    Chip you mean make the call a couple days before UFA opens up remember the bullshit last year with Alfie and Detroit lol

  • Jordan

    I wish spezza would agree to go to edmonton. Alot of pieces that could be useful. I wouldnt mind sam bennet or ekblad.

  • Gordon Ramsli

    I still want to have some faith in Hemsky resigning next year but I accept the loss if he splits.

    MacArthur – Turris – Ryan
    Hoffman – Zibanejad – Hemsky
    Pageau – Lazar – Stone
    Robinson – Smith – Neil

    Meyers – Karlsson
    Methot – Ceci
    Gryba – Borowiecki

    I want a better defensive core more then trading spezza for more young unproven offensive kids, I want a solid top D Man if we cant get that gain some 1st round picks for this years or future draft decent prospect or two and trade him.

    I dont want the salary that comes with the players that we are wanting to trade spezza for.

    Cowen, Trade him to buffalo for Meyers offer them some lesser prospects, picks.

    Robinson does not have to be the choice for the 4th line but he is my example. Big, tough, defensive. Him or Grant are what we have in our system that fits what I want lining Smith and Neil on the 4th line. If not trade or sign for someone who is NHL ready.

  • luckan20

    If Spezza’s trade bring Shattenkirk, top pick and prospect, then we can even trade one of the the clogged D along with a move. May be Spezza and Cowen for Shattenkirk, 2014 top pick, Berglund and Rattie

    • Mat

      I see this as a fair trade but I’m not sure getting rid of Cowen at this point isn’t premature. Lots of untapped potential for such a young guy.

      • luckan20

        True, but we need to move over crowded D plus our penny pinching owner will not want to spend on D who are going to sit. I am not sure whether to send Weircioch who can move the puck plus Turris good friend too. Unless we move Gryba, but then we will not get Berglund.

        • Mat

          I agree. I don’t want to lose Wiercioch, as a very capable PMD, and as the friend of a star on the team (the Alfie departure is still not sitting well with Karlsson I would bet…). But in that trade scenario, I would prefer sending him to St-L than Cowan. I just think that his future skill set will be more needed, especially if we have Karlsson, Shattenkirk and Ceci.. To me, PW46 is the expendable one in this situation.

        • runningbear1974

          Wiercioch has been working out with Turris these past few summers… That’s exactly the behaviour we want to encourage… These are the guys we want on the team… We have to keep those guys… Trade the guys who aren’t doing more than they’re supposed to…

      • Rafi Bomb

        Trading Cowen at this point would be stupid.

        • Jakester

          Let’s keep him, really want to have the next Ryan O’Byrne!

    • runningbear1974

      I love packaging Spezza and Cowen together… That should get us some really good stuff… We should try and throw in Phillips too to top it off :)
      Too bad we have to think about playing Phillips instead of Ceci… Isn’t that insane? Too bad Murray is so loyal…

    • Jakester

      That would be a steal, have been saying to move Cowen too!

    • Doc

      This isn’t going to stop, isn’t it.

      You’d be lucky getting Shattenkirk straight up for Spezza. You’re not going to get a top pick on top of prospects because you added Cowen.

      Silly to think you’d get Rattie on top.

  • Millennium

    There seems to be some amnesia going on here. Gryba was not good for large stretches of this season. He was down right terrible for a large chunk of it. The only reason he looks even serviceable is because guys like Phillips and Cowen make him look like Sheas Weber on the ice.

    He looks like a 7th D. Given the terrible showing by our blue line, and the plethora of bottom pairing guys we’re stuck with, he certainly seems like a completely replaceable part.

    • ProfessorPower

      True Story

    • Mat

      He was also responsible for an inordinate amount of penalties at the end of the year. Cost us tons of goals, and certainly points in the standings..

    • runningbear1974

      There are people who hate him and others who love him… He falls over so that looks bad, and so some people hate him… He has pretty good numbers and so some people like him…
      He plays really well with Methot… He almost had something with Wiercioch… But no, he’s not good enough to deal with Phillips or Cowen…

    • Aaron 2.0

      Yeah, I’d generally agree with that. I think he actually had a good season, if we’re basing expectations on an individual basis. I think the damning thing for Gryba isn’t necessarily how he played (which was probably okay overall), but that I get the feeling his ceiling isn’t a whole lot higher. On the other hand, for guys like Cowen and Weircioch, there is no guarantee that they will develop the way we all think they can, but, there is definitely more potential. I’d don’t really see Gryba being here long term. But, then again, I really was shocked when Phillips was signed for 2 more years. So, who knows.

  • Mat

    No to Boyle.

    I would rather we give the money to Brooks Orpik (if he doesn’t re-sign). Younger, shot blocking, defensively sound, knock you off your socks defence who can give room to players like Wiercioch and Ceci to keep developing their offensive skills and confidence.

    And I’ve said this before as well. Whether we re-sign Hemsky or not, an available player we should target from the UFA pool is Radim Vrbata. Cheap”er” top line option right there…

    • SensChirp

      Isn’t Brooks Orpik super terrible?

      • Mat

        No. Not at all. He’s not offensive though if that’s what you’re looking for. But he plays exactly like a Marc Methot form what I’ve seen. Lots of playoff experience as well.

        • Nikola Todorić

          Brooks Orpik doesnt have half the foot speed Methot does…

          • Mat

            Give me speed test results. I’m I’m ok if there’s a difference. Orpik hits harder, blocks more shots. I think they would both be useful.

          • Dirk-Diggler

            we don’t need to add another D man… will already have 8 on NHL deals… we need to ship 2 guys out and then bring someone better in that can move the puck… not another older slower player

          • Doc

            Yet you’re on board for bringing in a 38 year old on his last legs who who’s going to be signed to a ridiculous contract?

          • Dirk-Diggler

            I would not mind Boyle but not for a huge number. He’s my plan D though… I’d rather trade for a better and younger d man that can grow with the team

          • Doc

            Agreed.

        • SensChirp

          I dunno. I’m pretty sure he’s terrible now.

          • Jakester

            The Penguins weren’t too happy with him this year that is 4 sure!

      • WaitingSince92

        Jury is out. He used to be solid but struggled HARD this year. Not quite Cowen-hard, but hard.

        • Mat

          Right. And apparently you’re the judge and the jury. Watch the 29 other teams consider him a top UFA this summer though.

          • Sensturion

            Heatley is considered a top UFA this year because the free agent class is garbage. Orpik is one of those guys that looks better because of the team he plays on.

          • Mat

            Anyone who thinks Heatley is considered a top UFA is out of his mind. Anyone who says it is plain ol’ retarded…

          • AutoTurris

            Or her mind… Chauvinist

          • Sensturion

            Have you seen the free agent class? Heatley is sadly right up there…

          • Mat

            That’s only because of his past contract. Not based on performance at all.

          • Doc

            I doubt he’ll get a contract next year. He played on a good team and got 28 points in 76 games.

            To say he’s top of the FA class, even if it is bare, is silly.

        • Jakester

          Let’s really f-up Pittsburg than, send them Cowen plus for Neal!
          Lol then they have Cowen and Orpik screwing up!

      • runningbear1974

        Orpik with concussions is still a million times better than Phillips… He has poise under pressure…

        • WaitingSince92

          Shall we start counting the players (concussed or not) better than Phillips? I’ll check back tomorrow.

          • Mat

            That’s a trick question. Pretty sure its “all”.

      • FistsofNeil25

        Yes Orpik is friggin junk now. When people hear his name they think of how good he used to be. He’s regressed a lot the last couple years and I wouldn’t touch him with a ten foot pole. He’s bordering on Phillips territory. Terrible player now.

      • Doc

        What?

        I’m sorry, but I’d take Orpik way before considering Boyle. He’s younger, cheaper, and fills a bigger need.

        • SensChirp

          His underlying numbers were pretty awful this year. And have sort of been trending downward the past few seasons. Plays against tough competition but really struggled this year.

          • Doc

            Agreed, but how much of that has been because of injury? I’d be willing to give him a shot if we can make room.

            I just think we need his skill sets more than we need Boyle’s.

            The guy has been a pain in the ass to play against for years now. Although I do agree that his foot speed is not the best, pairing him with a guy like Ceci would mitigate that side of his game.

          • SensChirp

            We need defenceman that can skate and move the puck out of our end. Can’t have another Cowen/Phillips back there I don’t think. Also, need a right hand shot.

          • Doc

            Do we? We got Karlsson, Ceci and Wiercioch. Cowen should bounce back (I hope) and Phillips should get limited ice time.

            We need guys who block shots, hit, and all around wreck havoc on the opposition. We need mean fuckers (pardon my french).

            Anyways, they will need to make room before they think of adding on the blueline. We already have 8 guys on contract next season. Someone’s gotta go.

          • SensChirp

            We just don’t need another one dimensional guy back there. We need a good all around hockey player.

          • Doc

            Which is why I would look at a potential trade rather than looking at the bare FA market. I don’t think Boyle’s the answer.

            There are a lot better (cheaper) options out there if Murray can work his magic. I’m still hoping that we land a top-4 D in the Spezza trade, rather than look for a forward.

            Edit: Any word on your end as potential suitors?

    • sprucesens

      I really like the idea if Vrbata and is exactly the type of signing Murray likes to make. Would really like it if we signed him

    • WaitingSince92

      Orpik had a horrible season.

      • Mat

        Based on?

        • WaitingSince92

          Watching. Agree to disagree.

          • Mat

            Yeah. Ok there Pittsburgh fans. Lol

      • runningbear1974

        i think that was after his concussion…

      • Doc

        What?

  • laffin681021

    This is all wishful thinking, and all assuming that CBJ isn’t on Spezza’s list but what about a Johanson and a 1st for Spezza? Is it a bit of an overpayment for Spezza? would CBJ even want Spezza over Johanson? you can even add a mid tier prospect from the CBJ system and we can send over Gryba or Borocop as our addition if you’d like. I guess the big question mark would be if CBJ would even be willing to part ways with Johanson as he’s up and coming and one of CBJ’s best players, but as I said, this probably wouldnt happen.

    • sprucesens

      I think they will shy away from all star players. I think they are trying to do the same thing we are, except they don’t seem to have a budget.

    • Jakester

      Johanson is better than Spezza. We’d have to give a first and another body and CBJ still wouldn’t do it. He’ll be their franchise player.

    • FistsofNeil25

      Johansen is their franchise player. They aren’t going to trade him away after just recording a break out year. Didn’t he score 30+ this year. Isn’t he only 22? He’s the definition of untouchable.

  • WaitingSince92

    Sweet Jesus as if Aaron Ward wasn’t annoying enough! Did I miss something? Did he lose a bet and have to dress like a ventriloquist’s dummy?

    Also, if Edmonton has any interest in Greening, make it so.

    • Mat

      I’ll agree with that.

  • runningbear1974

    LA makes a lot of little mistakes, but they’re always supporting each other… I like the way they play… I hope the sens follows a similar model…

  • Rafi Bomb

    Both Greening and Condra should get moved this offseason. Neither has much of a role on this team anymore.

    If the Oilers are interested in Greening, I would look for Mitch Moroz in return.

    • Jakester

      Would love that. If I was Spezza I love the chance to center Taylor Hall and Jordan Eberle. Not so sure they can’t talk him into going there. Would be an opportunity to rack up tons of points. Spezz would love that.

      • PaulMacLeansDuster

        Except Eberle would be the return for Spezza. Still would like to explore a Spezza/Cowen/Greening for Eberle/3rd overall pick. Oilers need to make a blockbuster trade and they get 3NHLers for 1. Dont think Spezza waves to go to Edmonton however.

        • Doc

          ARRARGHHH…

          You are not going to get Eberle straight up for Spezza, so what makes you think that adding Cowen or Greening would net you their top 3 pick?

          Good lord people, this is not EA NHL. Overvaluing Spezza is one thing, but come on…

          • PaulMacLeansDuster

            Wow you’re pretty high on Eberle. Must be his wealth of playoff experience.

          • Doc

            God I hope you’re kidding…

    • In the Bleachers

      no team is going to pick up Greening’s soon to be “huge” salary unless an
      equally bad contract comes back

    • SensChirp

      Condra is an important and more importantly affordable player and useful bottom six guy.

      • Doc

        I’ve been trough this with him already.

        Not worth it.

        • WaitingSince92

          I hate to sound like an asshole, or a broken record, but anyone who can’t see how Condra fills a role on this team just doesn’t see the whole game.

          Our best PKer, constantly picking up the slack for his linemates’ mistakes. He’ll never score 20 goals, but hell always drive possession.

          • Doc

            Yeah, pet peeve of mine when talking to someone who only looks at the scoresheet.

            There’s so much more to analyse and a whole other dimension to the game. He does all the little things right, and makes his linemates better.

          • WaitingSince92

            Yep. At least it separates the casual fans from the ones who at least understand the basics.

            All depends on what you expect from him. He’s not just the best player we’ve had whose name ends in ‘ondra’.

          • Hax

            But, but, but goals and highlights and twitter and open nets and junk!

          • Doc

            Atta boy.

          • ProfessorPower

            yup, does one thing right.. far better players ready to take his position. Anyone who thinks Condra should be on this team doesn’t know what a winning team looks like..they may see the whole game but dont understand how dynamic you need to be to be successful in it, nor how to ice the best team with the players we have.

          • Doc

            I’ll bite.

            Name me one RW that could do a better job.

            I’ll hang up and listen.

          • Jakester

            Cole Shneider,. Lazar and Pageau if those two not used at center. Enough with the great PKer, our PK sucked balls last year and this guy has trouble getting the puck in the air to clear the zone. He was fine when we REALLY really sucked two years ago but better options exist now. Plus, when we use him on the third line he sucks all the offensive potential out of it!

          • bluebuyyoo

            You know, you could make one small change to your statement to make it correct:

            “Anyone who thinks Condra should *not* be on this team doesn’t know what a winning team looks like..they may see the whole game but dont understand how dynamic you need to be to be successful in it, nor how to ice the best team with the players we have.”

          • WaitingSince92

            Condra would be a solid fourth liner on any contender

          • Spinorama

            You dont think Pageau ca fill condras role?

          • Doc

            Why try and replace someone who’s effective at his job and cost nothing?

            Right now, if you put Pageau as a RW and put him in that role, you are HOPING he will do a better job.

          • peetypuck

            Maybe Condra needs glasses/lenses. Why else does he consistently miss wide open nets?

          • Jakester

            He seems to need glasses to find a guy to bodycheck too, he’s almost as soft as Spezza out there!

          • peetypuck

            Too many soft players like that on the Sens. That’s one good reason to keep Neiler and Grybo.

          • Jakester

            And get rid of these Daisies!

          • FistsofNeil25

            I think we like and dislike pretty much all the same players, but it seems like you want half our roster next season to be guys from Bingo. You do realize that team didn’t even make it out of the first round right?

      • Jakester

        But hopefully he plays out his last year, Sens have guys to replace Condra moving forward don’t you think?

        • Doc

          Who?

          His cap hit is 1,25 for crying out loud.

          • Tooks

            Well I would rather have any of; Pageau, Lazar, Puempel, Schneider instead of Condra TBH.

            And the PK, he can be easily replaced by Turris, CMac, Smith Greening, Z-Bad, Hoffman, Lazar..etc…

          • Doc

            Lol…

            So unproven players, some who haven’t even played a game in the NHL, are automatically better than Condra who’s stats are very good and is signed to a very cap friendly contract?

            That’s just wishful thinking at best.

          • Tooks

            Lol…

            Yes any of those guys would add a alot more offense. And TBH I dont think Condra has a role on the team anymore.

            PK
            CMac Turris
            Z-Bad/Greening/Hoffman/Lazar Smith
            Also any FW Spezza brings back in a deal.

          • Doc

            Your basing this on opinion alone.

            Condra has the stats to prove it.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Greening and Smith are horrible on the pk. Yuck. I like Smith as a player but he shouldn’t be killing penalties.

          • Jakester

            A bingo guys cap hit would be 6-800 000 and they bring more to the table than this Ringuette player so what’s your point. Eugene would save 4-600 000 we could use to pay for Bobby et al. When you have the talent to do this, you do it. The Greening Contract is even worse, it boggles the mind, he must have compromising pictures of Murray or Melnyk!

          • Doc

            So an unproven guy with little to no experience, will do a better job than the guy that is already doing it well.

            Got it.

          • peetypuck

            Or both of them.

      • Tooks

        I’m ok with Condra if he plays under 8 minutes a night, there is really no need to have him out there more than that.

        • Jakester

          So why keep him, 8 minutes what a dumb comment.

      • Spinorama

        Sorry chirp but thats a roster spot that can be filled by a bingo guy for half the price. Probably more production out of the bingo guy too. He is not useful, just in the way and taking valuable minutes from a bingo guy. Id like to see pageau in his spot killing penalties and playing those minutes.

      • Rafi Bomb

        He is very expendable. He has no offensive game, no physicality, and if overrated defensively. At times he can be an above average penalty killer but even then he is a dime-a-dozen player.

        I don’t see the point of keeping him around as his skill set is entirely replaceable through internal promotion. Lazar is pretty much expected to make the team and his skill set not only replaces Condra’s but even offers a vast improvement. Then we have Stone making the team and he is above average defensively as well. Then we have Pageau pushing for a spot who also entirely replaces Condra’s skill set and also offers an improvement. Finally if we are still in need of penalty killers we have Grant and Dziurzynski that could either crack the roster or be used as clll ups. Both players can provide equivalent defensive acumen, make a similar impact on the penalty kill and are both bigger, more physical and as fast if not faster than Condra.

        There is no place for Condra on this team, we need to replace him with someone of a different skill set.

        • Jakester

          Awesome comment Rafi.

        • FistsofNeil25

          Half our damn roster is expendable man. I would hope that we cut Greening loose long before Condra. They’re both expendable fourth line players but at least Condra is dirt cheap and is a very good possession player, pretty much all you could ask for from a fourth liner.

          Let’s get rid of Greening first and then we can talk about Condra.

        • Doc

          Again, you base this off of opinion rather than facts. Nothing else.

        • SensChirp

          It’s easy to call him “replaceable” because of a perceived lack of
          offensive flare but the underlying numbers indicate that he is a guy that is always driving possession, controlling the puck in the offensive zone and making his teammates better. Not to mention is PK abilities.

          Until someone else in the organization (Pageau and Grant both had flashes but have not done it consistently) shows the ability to do the same thing Condra has done over the span of three seasons now, he is a good piece to keep around.

          And costs next to nothing.

          • Doc

            Well said.

          • Rafi Bomb

            With Lazar, Stone, Hoffman, Pageau and Da Costa all pushing for spots there will be more than enough players that can drive puck possession. Of that group Lazar, Stone and Pageau can all play penalty kill and will be as good if not better than Condra in that department,. Then we still have Grant and Dziuztnski as potential call ups if we still need improvement on the penalty kill.

            It is very simple really. The players pushing for roster spots will force a player like Condra down the depth chart. It will only take a few of them to actually make the team for his skill set to become somewhat redundant and create a need elsewhere. Considering that we are not as tough of a team as we should be we are better off fining a grittier player to play in the 12th,13th or 14th forward spots rather than have a player like Condra who has zero physicality to his game.

            Condra was below average defensively and on the penalty kill this year. Anybody pushing for him to maintain a roster spot would have had to been big fans of his from the previous seasons and feel that not only was last season an off year but that he can somehow have a role on this team even though essentially all of our prospects ready to make the jump basically make his skill set redundant.

    • FistsofNeil25

      I never can understand the thought process behind saying we need to get rid of a certain player because they aren’t good enough for our team, and then in the next breath ask for one of another team’s best players or prospects in return.

      Greening for Moroz eh? Keep dreaming big man.

      • Doc

        SCIENCE YO!

      • Rafi Bomb

        I don’t like anyone else the Oilers have to offer. Moroz is a long shot but he is one of the few Oilers depth players/prospects that would be worth acquiring.

        The problem with Greening is that he doesn’t have an edge to his game and his doesn’t have much offensive skill. If he could regularly play a top six role then there could be a spot for him on the roster and I could forgive that lack of nastiness in his game. But as a bottom sixer, he is big but he doesn’t hit hard, he doesn’t fight, he doesn’t intimidate and he doesn’t agitate. He isn’t “hard to play against” and that limits his use to the team. Also considering the fact that we have many good prospects ready to make the jump which will push him down the depth chart, there is even bigger of a need to him to play a really nasty style of hockey because it is something we are lacking. Considering the fact that he doesn’t play that style, I would rather replace him with someone that does.

        No as far as his trade value goes, my assessment of him is a subjective valuation based on how his skill set fits in with the rest of our roster. Much like Condra, we have an abundance of players that share there positive attributes so there is less o a need to keep either around. Now a team like Edmonton doesn’t have much size or physicality in their bottom six. They could value Greening higher then we do simply because they lack that kind of player in their bottom six. If I was their GM I wouldn’t move Moroz for him though because Moroz has higher upside and it is somewhat of a lateral move as they give up a gritty player (which they lack) for another gritty player. So overall they don’t improve the quantity of their gritty players on the team and in the system.

  • Doc

    Chirp:

    What would you consider a fair contract for Boyle?

    • SensChirp

      I think he’ll get something like Gonchar got in Dallas. 2 years/$10 mil.

      • Doc

        Think Uncle Euge would open the wallet?

        • SensChirp

          Nope.

          • SensChirp

            Well I mean, as long as they are in that 54-56 range then maybe. With Spezza/Michalek/Hemsky likely coming off the books, there may be some room there.

          • Doc

            Yeah, if those three are gone we’re not making the cap floor, so there’s hope (I guess?) that he won’t have a choice.

            Makes contracts like Phillips and Greening bearable, only because they serve a purpose.

      • Jakester

        I don’t like that , especially when you have too many bodies back there to start with!

        • Tooks

          Somebody has to go. PW46/Cowen/Gryba/Phillips?

  • Dirk-Diggler

    I’m liking this Lazar kid… but, can anyone tell me what the reasonable expectations are for him next year, the year after and where he projects 5 years from now?

    • Jakester

      Are you asking us or God? Who knows, how bout a good player!

      • Tooks

        I think he’ll be a good 2nd line player, 40-60pts.

        • Dirk-Diggler

          I’m happy with that… If that’s what he projects out to be… Also, his perceived value is really high. What would he be worth in a trade?

          • Doc

            Trade?

            I….I don’t even…. *sigh*

          • Dirk-Diggler

            I am not saying it… just putting it out there for a discussion :P

            I also would not trade him. I just want to know what people think his value is…

          • Doc

            But there’s not a valid reason to even discuss it.

            The goal of having good drafting is to find little gems, like the Sens did with Lazar. If the draft was today he’d definitely be a top 10 pick.

            So what purpose would it serve to trade away the player who seems to be the real deal, and by all accounts has all the tools to succeed, only to ‘hope’ to get a better player in return?

            You have the player you sought.

          • Sandy

            Why don’t the Sens trade Karlsson to see what they can get? Gee
            Lazar is untouchable..

    • Zelle

      I’m basically not expecting him to top the score sheet but I imagine a player like Turris but stronger/bigger. Won’t score every game but able to get the big goals. Able to energize the team especially when they are down on the scoreboard (I find this would be a big plus on the Sens). Willing to fight for teammates. I think just a general positive driving force for the team, able to play in all roles (pp, pk, eq, like Turris) with little to no downside (GA, PIM, lazyness).

      • Dirk-Diggler

        I am expecting him to top out as a 2nd liner on the wing… And, I am fine with that. Sometimes a 2nd liner that galvanizes his teammates is more important than a 1st line winger who can be enigmatic…

        • Zelle

          I don’t see anything indicating he wouldn’t be able to move up the ladder to the 1st line. As much as I love Turris a guy can always be replaced.

    • FistsofNeil25

      I don’t think he’ll ever be a point per game player but there’s a very good chance he can be a first line player. A good comparable would be Mike Richards. Gritty two-way center capable of putting up 60-70 points on any given season. It will take him a few years to get there, but he can absolutely get there.

      Lazar should be an untouchable player for this organization, and I would say our list of untouchables is very small – Karlsson, Turris, Ceci, Lazar.

      • peetypuck

        That’s a huge compliment for Lazar. Richards has a knack for helping his team win.

        • FistsofNeil25

          So does Lazar – he’s a winner. He can do anything it takes to bring his team to victory. He has all the tools to be a great pro. You can tell that he’s going to work his ass off on and off the ice to be great.

          • peetypuck

            I think that Murray and the scouting department decided that was their reason to pick him…he’s a winner.

  • Jakester

    1h
    Todd Cordell @ToddCordell
    @SensChirp I covered the Memorial Cup in it’s entirety, and you can make a good case Curtis Lazar played better than anyone.
    Retweeted by SensChirp

    Where’s that Tookie dude?

    • Tooks

      Who the hell is Todd Cordell, LMAO…
      Thx but I’ll stick with the guys that were on the panel and on site.

      • Jakester

        I don’t know either but sure as hell he knows more than you do dude!

        • Tooks

          Doubt that.

          • SensChirp

            Well he actually covered the Memorial Cup during the same time you were examining World Championship box scores for issues with Kyle Turris so I’ll give him the edge.

          • Tooks

            Hey I was watching those games and I was correct, Canada didnt win and Turris did not have a big impact.

            If that guy thinks Lazar was the best player at the tourney then he wasnt at the Mem Cup, LOL.

          • Tooks

            He’s the Devils and CBJ writer on HockeyBuzz, nuff said…

          • Doc

            How’s that proof of anything?

            Nevermind the site but a lot of bloggers on there are actually pretty good.

          • Tooks

            If you say so…I dont read that site (except Yost) because of its rep.

          • Jakester

            Yost is a basketball guy from NJ who writes for the Sens , pretty shady. Guy from Barrie Ontario who scouts the CHL (Cordell)might REALLY know more about hockey than Yost, what do you think Turkey? Oops I mean Tookie.

          • Jakester

            Also scouts the CHL.

  • AutoTurris

    Chirp, what’s your gut feel with regards to the Spezza trade at this point? Who do you thi k he’ll go to / who will come in return? What’s realistic and what’s best?

  • Cicero

    Boyle – Phillips pairing would be 74 years of life experience on the blueline. There would be many Pepperidge Farm moments to come.

    I’d like to see our top-4 D acquisition be Ekblad. The Panthers are reported to be shopping their pick.

    I really hope GM Murray works out a deal that involves picking up the Panthers’ #1 pick. Of course, the only scenario where that happens is if Spezza wants out.

    If FLA is on the no-trade list, and Anaheim isn’t, perhaps a three-team deal can work: Spezza to ANA, piece[s] to FLA, and the Ekblad pick to OTT. Anaheim is looking for a scoring centre and power play producer.

    If Spezza doesn’t go, then I’d look at clearing some space on the left side of the blueline to acquire a power forward type of LW. I don’t think we’ll see much fireworks this summer if Spezza stays — GM Murray has plenty on his plate with existing contract negotiations.

    • Dirk-Diggler

      Would you trade Spezza and Lazar for the #1?

      • peetypuck

        NO !!!

      • peetypuck

        Trading just Lazar for this year’s #1 would only be a lateral move. There’s nothing to say that the #1 will be any better than Lazar.

        • Dirk-Diggler

          I am not sure about that! Let’s not over rate our prospects that much! He was a great pick and a building block for our franchise. But, this years #1 will be a better player…

          I am just saying Lazar is our best prospect and he’s a 2nd liner when at potential. The #1 pick (Ekblad) is a #1 pairing D man that this team badly needs.

          Ottawa has a lot of guys that are projected to be 2nd line wingers… it’s a position of strength in our depth chart

          • Doc

            How do you figure Ekblad will be better? They are not even remotely close to being similar type of player.

            I’d even argue that Lazar is what we need more. He’s a C/RW who’s got a knack for scoring, hits, can fight, seems to have leadership skills in spades and is the type if player you need in big games.He plays a complete game.

            He’s a perfect fit for our system.

          • peetypuck

            I could not have said it better than you just did.

          • Tooks

            Tough call, we really do need a top 3 D. Even with Lazar paying at his potential,l if our D stays the same, we wont get anywhere.

          • Doc

            That’s fair, but there’s other ways of addressing this problem besides trading away your best prospect.

            There’s always the trade market or future draft picks.

          • Tooks

            True that I woudnt trade Lazar for Ekblad. We can get a proven top 4D man with trade or UFA.

          • Dirk-Diggler

            It’s just a discussion. Right now though our D is the weakest part of our team… What is our plan to fix it? Does it need a dramatic change?

          • Doc

            Oh for sure it does. I’ll be the first to tell you that. No doubt it’s our weakest link.

            Like I mentioned in another response (below), there are other ways of addressing this problem though.

            I’m still hoping that we get a top 4 D in the Spezza trade to help solidify our back end.

          • peetypuck

            More experience.
            Most of our D-men have only two years or less in the NHL. Give them some time to mature. We aren’t going to be contenders next year anyway.

          • Jakester

            Getting rid of the forwards who don’t back check might help our overall D.

          • peetypuck

            And you know all this even though neither of them has even played one game at a higher level than major junior hockey?
            You have very little faith in Bryan Murray and his scouting department. Remember what everyone said about EK65 and Kyle Turris when he picked them up?

          • Dirk-Diggler

            Lazar will be great.. that’s what we all expect and hope for…

            Question is, is his precieved value higher than his actual value? If that’s the case and you can get a fortune for the guy is it worth exploring your options?

            It’s not a contentious statement… I am just saying do you think there is a team that would overpay to acquire him?

            We are always looking to trade players when we all see no use for them and their value is low.

          • peetypuck

            I’d trade him for Jonathan Toews but not for Ekblad, Bennet or Reinhart.

          • Jakester

            What if that pick turns out to be Alexandre Daigle? Rather the guy we’ve seen play at the Worlds and who won the Memorial Cup!

      • Cicero

        2014: No.
        2015: Yes.

        • Doc

          That goes without saying, but there’s no way of knowing who will win the Connor McDavid lottery.

      • Cicero

        I’d also add that your provocative question is a really good one — it points out the contingent aspect of evaluating prospects.

        Up front, I think we’re prospect light at this time. Probably best to hold onto those players in the system. The blueline, however, is just the opposite: it’s like a railway shunting yard and we need to move some people.

  • peetypuck

    I would like to know how accurate Fortune magazine is at predicting the Sens revenues. They estimated the Sens earned appx $87 million in 2012-13 while only playing 24 home games. That’s 17 home games less than they play in a full season. I think they would have easily earned over $100 million playing the normal amount of games.
    With the new Roger’s TV broadcast contract they should receive an extra $7.5 million plus maybe another $5 million compensation due to more games going to Sportsnet. The Sens are also set to earn another (appx) $25 million from TSN’s contract to air local games. That adds up to $37.5 million in new revenue this year. Even rounding it off to $30 million the Sens should earn a minimum of $130 million this year. If the CDN$ remains at $.92 USD the team might lose appx $5 million in exchange converting to USD to pay team salaries and travel in the US (8% x $60 million). This still leaves the teams revenues at $125 million for next year. I believe the cost of running the team with a $56 million team salary would cost no more than $100 million leaving about a $25 million profit.

    • Tooks

      And Melnyk takes those profits and dumps in into his floundering ventures. The man is probably on the verge of losing his businesses. The Sens are the only thing keeping him afloat, why do you think he hasnt sold them yet, he depends on them.

      • Senatollah

        Tooks, that’s quite the accusation. Can you explain to us how he can do that.

        • Tooks

          Read Forbes.
          And listen to Yost, lol.

          • Senatollah

            lol. any specific link or have you heard someone say Forbes has stuff so thats a good reply. feel like busting out the ol Sutton – R U an EXPERT TOOOOOOOK

          • Tooks

            If you dont know about Melnyk’ situation then you clearly dont live in Ottawa. I dont need to explain anything, its all over the net.

          • Senatollah

            another cop out response. How do you allege he is funneling the money from the sens to his other ventures without saying read Forbes. Keeping me entertained, keep it up sport

          • Tooks

            Ummm ok…

          • Senatollah

            still got nothing?

          • Tooks

            Huh what? You still here? Go read the WWW if you want an explanation of Melnyk’s financial situation, seems every knows it but you.

          • Senatollah

            LOL, read WWW or www? do you have a preference. I fully understand his financial situation. Couldn’t be more jealous of it. Still dont understand your accusation though.

          • Tooks

            Look up a few comments and you’ll have your answer.

          • Senatollah

            no. that comment you are referring to where you THIS is was just you being trolled. lol

          • Tooks

            Whatever floats your boat…lol.

      • peetypuck

        Sorry, I have no idea how his other investmnts are doing but keep your eyes on Trimel shares this week.

      • Deadly

        Using core businesses to fund new ventures is very common amongst entrepreneurs . At one time Biovail equity was used to buy the Sens.Now it would appear that the Sens profits are being used to leverage his other ventures.
        Just good business tactics and difficult for the little man to understand.
        And yes ,why would you sell an asset that is a very viable part of your total holdings ?

        • Tooks

          ^this^

      • peetypuck

        Tooks, you remind me ( a lot) of CTD the Troll that roams the Ottawa Sun Sens columns.

        • Tooks

          What does CTD stand for?

          • peetypuck

            You tell me.

          • Tooks

            Canadiens Trade Desharnais?

          • Jakester

            Constipated Troll Devil!

      • peetypuck

        Why would he sell a business that just hit the jackpot. The Sens are going to make as much or more money on TV broadcasting contracts than they do in gate receipts. It’s practically a license to print money.

        • Tooks

          Didnt say he would sell, its the reason he wont ever sell, he depends on the Sens for his other ventures.

          Thats why the Sens are reportedly broke or “losing money” every year. Where do you think that money goes.

          • Senatollah

            you found that on the WWW and Forbes didnt you?!?

          • Tooks

            Yep.

          • peetypuck

            That makes him a smart businessman using them to leverage new acquisitions. It makes his money work twice as hard for him.

          • Dirtysweetness

            I think old Euge is using Ottawa’s budget restraints as leverage for his potential loss of his casino bid.

        • Sandy

          IF they trade Spezza and Ryan and McArthur don’t re-sign then on the ice this team is in big trouble. Also the empty seats won’t help either

    • spezzerman

      Erik Karlsson’s sticks alone must cost $25 Million, no? ;)

      • peetypuck

        Hahaha, they must be gold-plated.

      • I’m just sayin’

        LMAO – another good one

        as good as “Melnyk’s new drugs being able to cure Spezza’s defensive weaknesses”

    • spezzerman

      these are profits that havent been made yet. We shall see how all this plays out in the 15/16 budget. There was no revenue generated for almost a full 12 months before the lockout shortened season that surely had some lingering effects. I’m skeptical too but I’m not about to believe the Ottawa Senators are funding multinational, billion dollar corporations

      • peetypuck

        Typo error. I should have said they will earn at least another $30 million “next year” (not this year) meaning 2014-15.
        I don’t care what he does with his profits as long as he properly funds the Sens. It is his money. What I am looking for is a general concensus that the team itself is quite profitable. Those TV contracts are good for twelve years. We need not worry about the Sens moving anywhere else. Someone or some corporation will snap up the team and keep it in Ottawa if it ever does go up for sale. I hope that puts all those jittery fans at ease that still worry the Sens will end up playing in a US city in the future. Remember, historically the Ottawa Senators are technically the oldest hockey team in the world starting play in 1883 with a hiatus in between.

        • Senatollah

          When you say the “team” is profitable do you mean the “Ottawa Senators”, the “CTC (arena), “Capital Tickets”, all of the three or a combination of them?
          If its just the Ottawa Senators it may not be profitable, but when you add in the arena then yes it is.

          • peetypuck

            I think we should consider all of them as one entity the Ottawa Senators. Their profits all go to Melnyk. He has separate companies for technical purposes only.

          • Senatollah

            If you consider them all then from what I have read it would be considered as a money maker and not a yearly money loser.

          • peetypuck

            Now you you’ve got it. That’s exactly what I’m saying.

        • spezzerman

          I definitely agree that the team is in good shape now and isnt going anywhere. He cannot keep saying the team isnt making enough money to keep it at a cap floor team. Teams in a lot worse shape than Ottawa have been sold in 5 seconds. For me, Bobby Ryan is the key to everything. If he signs, he is comfortable with where this team is heading and that is good enough for me.

  • Tooks

    I see its Subban vs Bergeron for NHL 15 Cover, damn, I like both dudes, hard to choose.

    #NHL15Subban

    or

    #NHL15Bergeron

    • SensChirp

      I think we might be due for another Tookie Time out haha

      • Tooks

        Why? You dont like NHL 15 cover vote thingy?

        • RUSH RLZ

          If I was Chirp I would just hard code your username to “Troll” and change the settings so that only you could see your own posts.

    • Sandy

      Bergeron all the way. Overall better player and seems to be liked by his peers.

  • Jakester

    @Tookie2point0 he drove possession in every game. Was great defensively. Carried puck into zone with possession regularly. Cycled well, etc.
    11:45am – 27 May 14

    Tookie chirping Todd Cordell and looking like an un knowledgeable Dufus again. Funny didn’t Tookie say he didn’t watch the Final. Nice to have an opinion on a game you didn’t watch.

    • Jakester

      Go see the twitter chatter. Called Cordell a nobody but takes the time to question his knowledge…. Lovely.

  • A-Train

    What worries me about the Lazar narrative is how the idea seems to be forming for a lot of fans that he’ll be a big difference-maker in the NHL.

    Isn’t it a lot more reasonable to see him as a Mike Fisher 2.0? A good player who brings a lot, but is most effective as a depth guy on a truly contending team.

    Sens still need more top-end skill in the prospect pipeline.

    • Hax

      I agree. Let him exceed expectations possibly, but let’s not expect the world. If Turris and Zibanejad continue to excel, having Lazar fit in at 3C eventually would be fantastic. Fisher was always a bit over his head as 2C (especially when he was behind Bonk) but if Lazar slots in as 3C that gives him the room to flourish there.

      • A-Train

        Yes, it’s all about where he fits on a contender. Fisher’s line was excellent when the Sens were too.

        • Hax

          Yeah I’m not down on Fisher – but on a contending team he would slot in as a really solid 3C (even in his prime). When talking about centers I look at the old Pens. Crosby-Malkin-Staal. Of course that top 2 is crazy but Staal is sort of a 2-and-a-half C. Can play 2C on a mediocre team and contribute but is above average for 3C.

          So that’s sort of where I slot Lazar at this point.

    • EK65

      He has shown more offensive prowess than Fisher did at his age. plus he’s excelled on a national eve at the Memorial cup and the World Juniors. He was the best forward for Canada at the juniors

    • Doc

      Fans are all aboard the Lazar hype train for sure.

      Runblad must be laughing somewhere.

      • EK65

        Rundblad wasn’t just hyped by Ottawa fans. He was in the top 10 prospects on hockeysfuture as well I believe. (maybe top 15)

        • Doc

          My point is that hype over potential has the possibility of disappointment.

          The kid will be good, but he’s still has a long way to go.

          Some fans might want to temper their expectations. I definitely think he will at least get his 9 games though.

    • FistsofNeil25

      I think the Mike Fisher comparable is the worst case scenario for Lazar.

      • A-Train

        Just looking up 17th overall pics in the past decade:

        Tomas Hertl, Nathan Beaulieu, Joey Hishon, David Rundblad, Jake Gardiner, Alexei Cherepanov, Trevor Lewis, Martin Hanzal, Marek Schwarz, Zach Parise

        So lightning can strike (Parise) but this is the company you keep at 17. Good players mostly, some are guys you’d really like to have.

        I know a lot of us have reasonable expectations….but for those expecting a franchise-type guy, I’m just offering a bit of perspective based on history here.

        • Doc

          Agreed.

          I’d rather be surprised than disappointed.

        • FistsofNeil25

          What defines a franchise player though?

          I also think comparing Lazar to former 17th overall picks doesn’t mean anything though. There are great players taken every draft beyond the top 5 picks.

          I think Lazar is closer to being a Mike Richards, Ryan O’Reilly or Patrice Bergeron type player.

          Richards was drafted 24th overall. O’Reilly went 45th. O’Reilly went 33rd. These are just a few examples. Just because he was drafted 17th overall doesn’t mean he can’t be a top player in this league.

          I don’t expect him to be a offensive force in the NHL. That’s not his game anyway, but that doesn’t mean for a second that he can’t be an impactful player.

          There’s something special about Lazar. Just his attitude and the positive energy around him sets him apart from most of these 18 or 19 year old kids. He understands the game and knows that he has to do more than score goals to be a great player.

          • A-Train

            Well you’re right. Pulling the 17th’s of the past decade is simplistic. As you point out there are good, even great players taken much later or just a little bit before.

            When I think “franchise” though, I think first line, top-pairing D or elite goalies.

            The type of players you make sure you have enough cap-room to sign long-term. The guys who never hit the free-market as UFA’s.

            And I guess by pointing to his pedigree I am highlighting that the odds are he’ll be a different type of player. Sometimes the odds are wrong though.

          • FistsofNeil25

            I think he can be a top line player, just like guys like Bergeron, Richards and O’Reilly have been. I think if we ever have to count on him to lead this team offensively then we’ll be in deep trouble. He’s never going to be Stamkos, Tavares etc but he can still be a great player.

            I honestly do believe that he’s going to be a very important piece of this team if we’re ever going to contend. He just seems to have the “it” factor that so many players lack.

            It’s not like I expect him to come into Ottawa next season and be a top six forward. It may take him a few years to get there. What I do expect is for him to join Ottawa next year and just do all the little things right. Play hard, bring a positive attitude to the dressing room, and most importantly just continue to learn the game. His hockey IQ is through the roof and he’s someone who wants to continue to learn the game and get better day by day. He’s hungry and he wants to earn his stripes by working hard and going above and beyond what the organization expects from him.

    • Jakester

      Nothing wrong with that, we’d have 3 damn good Centers. TUrris, Zibby,Lazar.

      • A-Train

        Agree. Nothing wrong with it at all. He looks promising.

        Though in a perfect world he might not be the prospect we are MOST excited about in the system.

        • Jakester

          Let’s wait and see.

        • Zelle

          He brings the enthusiasm and sticks up for teamates like Neil, but has the skill to score and 200ft player like Turris, while bringing a positive and winning attitude like..? He’s a player we need. When you say difference maker I think you mean getting the points. When I think difference maker for the Senators I think of a great all around player who brings that positive, winning attitude this group seems to be lacking.

          • peetypuck

            Don’t you think that we should at least let him play one game in the NHL before we start throwing all these superlatives around?

          • Zelle

            Just basing it on the games and interviews I saw of him so far. The big difference in jump to the NHL will be his production and potentially his hits. It won’t change his game of being a 200ft player and it probably won’t change his attitude. If anything else he’ll probably be MORE happy since he’ll have reached his goal of playing in the NHL. Why would the qualities I pointed out change in the NHL? When Turris came in his production suffered and he didn’t play good defense and his attitude was reportedly poor. Lazar already has the defensive game and the attitude.

            I have very mild expectations of him production wise, especially in his first season. I don’t see where I exaggerated?

          • peetypuck

            Easy now, I’m just suggesting that we let him get to the NHL. Who knows, he may get sent back to junior next year although I highly doubt it. I’ll be looking forward to seeing him in a Sens jersey next October.

    • runningbear1974

      It feels like we’re stepping away from the skilled players… And moving towards the good personalities that will win in the playoffs… With Lazar’s enthusiasm he will definitely be a noteworthy player… At exactly what skill level, i don’t personally care, i care more about the personality… Fill up the team with those guys…

      • Jakester

        The guy has skill we aren’t talking Condra here?????? TUrris, Ryan, Zibby, Karlsson… If we had no skill I ‘d be worried but come on…

        • aegiszx

          Oh yeah, tell me how far the Caps, Pens, and Sharks potent offense took them? Oh wait… Meanwhile, defensive powerhouses like the Hawks, Kings, Rangers, and Habs made the final 4…

          • peetypuck

            You need a great defence and offence to go all the way.

        • runningbear1974

          By “skilled” i meant only skill no grit… The type Don Cherry talks about as European players… Don’t need that type..

          • A-Train

            Well, Cherry always loved Mike Fisher….

      • A-Train

        Murray does talk a lot about character (these days, anyway). But come on…that only goes so far. He’s picking the best player available each draft.

        • runningbear1974

          He’s made some tough choices… Lazar over Mantha… That must of been a tough choice… ZIbanejad, i forget who was rated higher… I don’t remember Ceci’s year, but wow super lucky with him…

          • Doc

            Couturier probably.

          • peetypuck

            I remember that draft well. New Jersey with the #8 pick won the draft lottery that year. Which proves that you don’t need to finish last to get the #1 pick. Since then the odds have improved since the last place team only gets a 25% chance now.

          • A-Train

            He picked Zibanejad over Couturier.

    • Deadly

      He has said that he has really worked at the two way end of his game as he realizes that that is what is required for him to get to the NHL sooner. The way he played in the Memorial cup seemed to stress a responsible side.
      I am good with him being a good 2 way guy and wait to see what his offensive numbers are.
      I think with him,what you see if what you get.Love of the game,enthusiasm,effort,smarts,willingness to stand up for teammates .

    • Deadly

      Congrats A Train. You are back from your fantasy mulling sand creating again.

    • peetypuck

      That’s why the Sens management should look closly at trading Spezza for a top-3 pick in this years draft along with allowing the team to do poorly next year in the McDavid sweepstakes. That’s a franchise-type player that the team will not likely have another chance of drafting for a number of years. They don’t come along every year and forget about trading for one. It’s better for the team to lose a year and get him. He could be another Jonathan Toews in the making.

      • A-Train

        I tend to agree with the Spezza part. Hoping Florida and Edmonton are not on “the list” (they probably are, EDM at least). If we have to throw in something more to make it happen, I’m probably ok with that too.

        As for tanking…I’m not a fan, and I don’t think Murray, Maclean or Melnyk are either (each for his own reasons).

        • Hax

          Yeah I’m anti-tank as well. There’s a difference if they’re going to focus on rebuilding and young players and take some lumps along the way, but if you do that and still win games that’s actually a good thing – screw the lottery.

          • Deadly

            We all play the lottery from time to time.Ussually a waste of time and money.It is the same in the NHL.

          • Tooks

            Soooo wrong…lol

          • Doc

            I think it’s a silly concept from back in the days that can’t be applied to today’s modern game.

            Thinking paid professional will voluntarily tank to help a team that they probably won’t be part of in a few years is idiotic. Players want to win. Period.

            I wouldn’t want a player on my team that’s okay with the idea of ‘tanking’.

          • Zelle

            Even if we tank and are last place there’s not saying Sens would get 1st overall pick right? Lottery can screw you.

          • Tooks

            More often then not it doesnt.

          • peetypuck

            And if we load up to make the playoffs there is zero chance of getting the 1st pick. If we came in last but lost out on the lottery there is still the #2 pick who is also considered almost as good maybe just as good as McDavid.

          • Doc

            Which is why the fan base was behind the young guys two season ago, when they had the ‘Pesky’ moniker.

          • Tooks

            Sure it was fun to watch but in the end, no Cup, thats the why they play the games. Management cant dwell in medocrity or fans will leave the team. Alfie left, Spezza wants out. no committment to winning.

          • peetypuck

            Wow, screw the lottery? Let’s just trade Spezza for a 2nd round pick too. Why would anyone say screw the lottery for a franchise-type player. Ya, who needs a Jonathan Toews or a Steve Stamkos or an Evgeni Malkin anyway?
            I want the Sens to win a Stanley Cup in my lifetime not 50 years from now. So you’re saying let’s make the playoffs next year so that we can miss out on drafting a possible great hockey player. Makes no sense to me.

          • Doc

            You’re missing elements now.

            Why do you think the Sens are even in the lottery discussions? What makes you think that they will be bottom of the league?

            Even if they were, what makes you think that they could WIN the lottery? There’s no guarantee.

            There are so many elements at play that the Sens don’t control.

          • peetypuck

            As they say in the lotto business; you can’t win unless you got a ticket. Bringing in a couple of good players this summer takes away our ticket. Eichel the #2 prospect wouldn’t be a bad 2nd prize. I don’t know about the others yet.

          • Hax

            *SIGH*

            What I’m saying is that while drafting a top 3 player is great and all it’s not as valuable as if we played a ton of young guys and they all made significant gains in their development as individuals and as a team.

            If we ice a team where the focus is almost 100% on developing players and winning is a distant secondary goal BUT we end up winning a lot that has to be better then adding one single player.

            See Oilers, Edmonton if you’re still at all unclear how a single highly drafted player doesn’t win a cup on his own.

          • peetypuck

            I thought we were trying to develop a Stanley Cup champion team. Not an also-ran. Mid-round picks rarely win without a couple of bona fide stars on the team. Outside of Karlsson we don’t have any.

        • Deadly

          Thankfully the people who matter are not the type of people to intentionally lose.Hell winning is tough enough.

        • peetypuck

          It depends what you consider “tanking”. The team is still in rebuild. That means they should be trying to get the best draft picks that they can. If that means trading Spezza for a draft pick and playing their young prospects, it’s okay with me. I’d rather see McDavid playing for the Sens than for Buffalo or the Islanders.

          • Doc

            That’s not tanking though. That’s rebuilding through the draft.

            There’s a difference between that and voluntarily loosing.

          • peetypuck

            Exactly my sentiments. Why should the Sens give up a great chance of drafting a franchise player and this years #1 pick by trading for a good player or two that will probably never get us to the SC finals? I don’t mind waiting an extra year.

          • Doc

            You’re looking at it through a fan’s perspective.

            Players want to win now, and if the team isn’t willing to try every year, then you hurt your chance of signing quality free agents, or even re-sign your current players (think Ryan). It just hurts your image. Plus, even if you bottom out (which is highly unlikely), you still have a chance to lose that top pick.

            That was a large portion of the reason why Alfie left: No commitment to winning from management.

          • peetypuck

            You have no idea whether Alfie had already made up his mind to go to Detroit to play with his Swedish buddies. He never even gave Murray a chance to up his offer. No GM makes his top offer first. Alfie knows that. I think the other Swedes convinced him long before FA day. Then you have to consider that Jim Nill was accused of tampering with Evgeni Malkin by his father. To make it believable he traded for Malkins buddy Sergei Gonchar and gave him $10 million over two years. That’s not a good image he leaves of Detroit’s management. Did Ken Holland tamper with Alfie. He was desperate for players this year. Just wondering.

          • A-Train

            Well… I think the team is too good to be in McDavid territory next season, even without Spezza in the lineup. So it’s probably an academic discussion.

          • Senatollah

            BUFFALO

          • peetypuck

            Don’t trade Phillips, Greening, Neil, Condra etc., re-sign Michalek and we shall see.

      • FistsofNeil25

        It’s not like they’ll intentionally allow the team to be bad next year. If we don’t get the return we’re looking for in the Spezza trade and we strike out in free agency there’s a very good chance we’re among the worst teams in the league next season.

        • peetypuck

          There’s nothing illegal with playing our prospects than trading them for veterans or going the UFA route.

          • Doc

            You already have guys on contracts though, you’ll just bench them all? Plus you have a roster limit, so it’s basically impossible.

            Nevermind the damage that will do to the organization’s image.

          • FistsofNeil25

            They might not have a choice. There’s no guarantee we’ll be able to improve the roster through free agency or trades this summer and depending on the return for Spezza we may have to have a roster full of rookies or inexperienced players.

            MacArthur-Turris-Ryan
            Hoffman-Zibanejad-Stone
            Greening-Smith-Neil
            Pageau-Da Costa-Condra

            Methot-Karlsson
            Cowen-Gryba
            Phillips-Ceci
            Borowiecki-Wiercioch

            Andy-Lehner.

            That’s what we’re looking at right now. Possibly add Lazar and a 2nd/3rd liner or two from the Spezza trade and we’ll get a good idea of what our 2014/2015 roster looks like. That’s not pretty. That could be our lottery team right there.

          • Doc

            It won’t be. Not even close.

            Last year we underachieved, just like the year before we overachieved. My guess is next year we’ll be where we should be.

            That’s not a bad lineup. It isn’t great, but it sure as hell ain’t bottom of the league.

          • FistsofNeil25

            I just see a lot of question marks in that group. There’s some good potential there but a lot would have to come together for us to come even close to contending for a playoff spot. A lot of our young players would have to step up and prove themselves in a short period of time.

            When I look at that roster I see three proven top six forwards, one proven top pairing defenseman and one other top four guy. The rest of the roster is filled with players that are still trying to find their way in the league. Too many question marks for my liking.

          • Doc

            Totally agree, but I think you are selling them short a bit.

            There are far worst teams than the Sens. They would extremely bad luck to be able to bottom out.

          • peetypuck

            We were lucky to win a bunch of games at the end of the year or else Anaheim would be drafting much higher than 10th this year. Maybe 5th or sixth?

          • Doc

            That’s the spirit.

          • peetypuck

            Thanks.

          • Hax

            Why the heck do you care where the Ducks pick?

          • peetypuck

            Because it’s the Sens draft pick that I’m talking about.
            Capeche ????
            I don’t give a shit about the Ducks. OKAY?

          • Hax

            But it’s not our pick anymore. (I wish I could get Anthony Hopkins to say that to you the same way he did as Odin telling Thor “But you’re NOT king are you?” – yes I’m a nerd.)

            We traded it away almost a full year ago. Get over it.

            And it’s spelled “capisce”

          • peetypuck

            Try reading the comments again. I was talking about what place we finished in which was 10th. For your information I’m not interested in the 10th pick. I want the #1 overall pick. Is that clear enough for you?

          • Tooks

            Its pretty damn close to bottom, the worst thing would be for us to finish middle of the pack, thats the worst you can do. Great draft, find a way NOT to finish 9th-10th…

            If were in the playoff then so be it. But please oh please dont finish 9th-10th…

          • Tooks

            The top 3 will do fine, struggle a bit with increased responsability but they will do fine, its the bottom 9 that is scary, basically our proven players are Neil, Smith, Greening and Condra, lol. Thats pretty bad.

          • peetypuck

            I’d trade Andy and let Lehner take over. Bring in an old veteran to back him up. Dubnyk is looking for a team.

          • FistsofNeil25

            I don’t know how I feel about that. Unless we make improvements to the roster than I would prefer not to see our young goalie thrown to the wolves behind such an inexperienced team. It might be good to keep Andy for the duration of his contract while Lehner continues to refine his game.

            What he showed us this season is that he’s still very raw. He has a lot of work to do and a lot to learn. I hope he’s taking notes from guys like Lundqvist and Price to see how calm and composed they are in net.

          • Tooks

            Cant really develop if you dont play, sure he gets his 20-25 games but I say put him in there and let him be the man. Let him know its his to take but still pushed by our goalie prospects.

          • FistsofNeil25

            He played in 36 games this season. That’s a lot more than 20-25. I think they would be foolish to give him the net now without ever earning it.

            They should keep Anderson for this season but given that it’s the last year of his contract, allow for an open competition to see who emerges as the team’s number one goalie.

            This past year, regardless of how Lehner played, Maclean said that Anderson was the teams undisputed starter. So in 2014/2015, keep both, and allow the best goalie to play. If Lehner outperforms Andy, then the net should be his and then we can entertain the idea of trading Anderson before the deadline. If Lehner struggles again like he did this past season, then at least we still have Andy to fall back on to help shelter Lehner.

            Lehner has done nothing to prove that he’s a number one goalie. I have really high hopes for him, but he’s not there yet. Let’s handle him with care.

          • Tooks

            Thats fair enough, either way, Andy is gone next year.

          • AutoTurris

            If only we could get Shwartz in a Spezza deal…

          • FistsofNeil25

            My guess would be that Schwartz is St Louis’ most untouchable forward.

          • AutoTurris

            No I agree, I’m just saying he’d be, IMO, the best return

          • FistsofNeil25

            Definitely.

          • Tooks

            I agree, with that lineup we might still get a pretty good pick, what woud help us even more is trade Andy for more picks.

          • FistsofNeil25

            I’d rather protect Lehner by sacrificing Anderson if we’re going with a line-up like that.

          • Sandy

            With that lineup the Sens stand the chance of losing Ryan & McArthur.
            So they could be in line for 2 or 3 straight first overall picks..

          • peetypuck

            I know. That Eugene Melnyk sure has a squeaky clean image. lol

          • Doc

            And you can see the repercussions it has.

          • peetypuck

            What’s your problem with going for a franchise-type player?
            Do you want be like the Laffs that just go on and on and never win anything? It might be nice to make the playoffs this year but that does not help the team rebuild. We will get a #20 draft pick that we all fawn over for two or three years only to find out he’s not taking us to the promised land, the Stanley Cup. We need to rebuild with the best players available in the draft not the bottom third just because we went all out to make the playoffs this year without any real chance of winning them. How does that do anything for the organization’s image, always being an also-ran or worse.

          • Doc

            What? You make little sense, my friend. Or you have reading comprehension issues. I don’t think you understand how a hockey team works.

            Not even sure where to start… *sigh*

            Tell me, how would you achieve getting said franchise player?Please elaborate.

          • peetypuck

            I thought I explained it already. I’m not suggesting tanking. The players wouldn’t do that anyway. Tell me, are you okay with the team just making the playoffs every year? The status quo of the last twelve years? Is that what you want? Tell me how you believe our team is ever going to be the real thing, Stanley Cup champions if we do a half-ass rebuild because we still don’t have the horses to go all the way.

          • Hax

            What’s half-assed? You don’t like Karlsson, Turris, Ryan, Lehner etc? Do you have some stat that shows every SC champ included former first overall picks (BTW we have Phillips so I guess we’re okay there right?)

          • peetypuck

            What kind of crap are you spewing? Do you even know anything about hockey? You’re making me laugh with your stupid comment. The Oilers? Kevin Lowe and company couldn’t manage a midget hocket team dummy. Ask me about the Pens and Blackhawks or Colorado Avalanche. No, that would make too much sense to you.

          • Doc

            That’s not what you’re saying though. You keep bringing up the coveted ‘franchise player’ like we have a chance to get said player next year.

            Tell me, do you think Karlsson is a franchise player? Do you think that model paid off for Edmonton?

          • peetypuck

            Well you obviously don’t agree with my idea of building a championship team. Explain how you would do it. It’s easy to criticize me but you have not given your version of what the solution should be.
            Edmonton’s #1 picks were never advertised as franchise players and they don’t appear to be so far. Before Karlsson’s achilles tendon was sliced I would have said he might arguably be the best hockey player, period.

          • Hax

            The problem with the way the leafs do it is the go out and get veteran plugs and build a short-term team that’s going to get about 85 points. There is a HUGE difference between finishing with 85 points in 9th place with a team of young players learning and improving and growing as a group compared to a team of nearly useless plugs like the leafs have.

            Nobody is suggesting signing useless plugs to prop up our young team and ruin our draft position. What people are trying to esplain to you is that LOSING ON PURPOSE will only hurt our young core players.

    • Andrews theory

      It’s funny to hear people talk about Fisher like a fringe NHL player.

      The guy was an impact player that every team wants. He’s not a top line center and Lazar likely won’t be either but he’ll be difficult to play against and he’s a guy that wants the puck when the game is on the line. Starting to see a pattern here with Turris and Zibanejad

      Not unlike Boston’s top 3

      • A-Train

        Am I calling Fisher fringe? He was a key piece of the best Ottawa Senators teams. But he was a complementary player to Alfredsson, Spezza, Heatley, Hossa etc…

        Right now — and I’m guessing like we all are — I’m saying Lazar seems more like a Fisher than like the other guys I named above in terms of his impact.

  • aegiszx

    I’m positive CP4 and JC2 will be lights out this year so long as they have a solid golf season and put in the proper training. Really think this was just an off year for them!!

    • Jakester

      I’m glad you’re positive cuz those are the two that worry me the most!

      • Hax

        By the way, congrats on passing 3000 comments.

        • Jakester

          Do I get a prize?

          • Doc

            A Condra T-Shirt.

          • Jakester

            Haha, I think I’ll wear it inside out! But thx anyhow.

          • Tooks

            A slap in the face….for still not having an avatar…OR a Jason Spezza Man Cave.

  • Hax

    If we’re unable to move Greening (and I’m not one who thinks we absolutely have to) I’d like to see what he could do on an extended stint on Zibanejad’s wing. If you mix in a guy like Stone that could bring out the best in Greening.

    I know he’s the guy people love to crap on lately, but I think Greening has been asked to be a fourth liner (though one that plays 3rd line minutes) and got a sniff with Spezza. Nothing in between. He’s paid too much to be a fourth liner but (clearly) not skilled enough to be a top liner – especially playing with a guy like Spezza who requires a really hockey-smart set of wingers.

    • Doc

      That’s actually what I was thinking too.

      Either that or a third of Greening-DaCosta-Stone would be nice to see.

      • Hax

        Yeah that could work. I’m a Greening fan in general, but my biggest knock on him is that he has little hockey sense. Often seems to be caught in the wrong position. Though that could come from playing with wild cards like Spezza and Neil.

        Giving him a really hockey-smart center and other winger could help him just keep things simple.

        • Doc

          I’m still looking forward to seeing having another go in the playoffs.

          Last time he went into Beast Mode.

          I want that Greening back. I miss that Greening.

          • AutoTurris

            Amen

    • A-Train

      I think rehabilitating Greening’s career will be one of the team’s main focusses on the ice this year. They won’t want to give up on him after putting in all the organizational work and development. I’m thinking Murray plays the long game here.

    • 383

      I’ve thought of this as well, I really think Greening could benefit playing with the type of guy who can actually “finish” and play with speed. Although I know Stone isn’t the fastest guy out there, but he has displayed tremendous hockey sense at the end of last year. I would love if that was our 3rd line.
      Example potential post Spezza trade:
      16-7-6
      68-Berglund (for arguments sake)-UFA or Lazar/Stone
      14-93-Lazar/Stone
      22-15-25
      Young forwards, a lot of question marks, but a fast group that will hopefully bring it every night.

  • RUSH RLZ

    Site enhancement request Chirp: Not sure if this impacts all mobile or just Blackberry, but it seems like Disqus is set to “sort by oldest” by default and even if you change it, if you come back later or even refresh the page, it reverts back to showing the oldest posts. Should definitely be “newest” by default, there is probably a simple setting for that plugin your guru guy can change. If so, thanks!

  • AutoTurris

    Is Zibanejad ready for 2C? I’m on the fence about this.

    • Hax

      It’s a big fence with lots of people on it I think. It’s right next to a similar fence about Turris being #1 with no buffer as well.

      • AutoTurris

        It’s a huge judgement call. If we went #7-1C and #93-2C, the payoff could be huge if it goes well, or it could be disastrous if it falls apart

        • Hax

          I think a lot depends on who’s 3C. If it’s DaCosta that’s going to make it tougher. But if we get a solid veteran that can chip in with some goals then that will help a lot. Thinking someone like (but not actually) Mike Fisher.

          • FistsofNeil25

            David Legwand? List of free agent centers is very small.

          • Hax

            Meh I’m hoping more for a solid center coming back in the Spezza deal. Either as a 3C outright or a guy that maybe plays 2C and lets Zibanejad excel as 3C or something.

          • Pasky

            So for example Berglund if we trade with St-Louis?

          • Hax

            Possibly. Though I’d love Oshie (he’d be 2C more than likely).

          • Pasky

            Me too but I’m thinking about more realistic trade targets lol

          • AutoTurris

            Berglund is the most realistic from my standpoint, if STL does a deal he’ll be in it

          • Pasky

            One trade I was thinking about doing that would benefit both teams is Nashville

            Spezza, Weircioch, rights for Hemsky
            Wilson, Forsberg, 2014 1st

            Not sure how reluctant Nashville is about trading away Forsberg but he should be our trade target if we deal with them.

          • FistsofNeil25

            How does that make sense for Nashville? Their best forward (Wilson), their best prospect (Forsberg) and the the 11th overall pick?

          • Pasky

            I wouldn’t call Wilson their best forward, that probably goes to Hornqvist.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Oops my bad for some reason when you said Wilson I was thinking of Craig Smith.

            That trade you suggested actually is pretty decent value!

          • Pasky

            Lol k no problem.

            I figure Wilson is #2C on Nashville, so we’d have a 2A 2B between him and Zibanejad. Still think though that if Nashville trades for Spezza it’s with intention to have Forsberg play on his wing so it’s a bit of wishful thinking on my part

          • FistsofNeil25

            Yeah I don’t know if a team that’s desperate for offense and short on offensive prospects would be willing to part with Forsberg. It would be a pretty great pick-up for us though.

          • Hax

            Yeah we’d have to add more players to get Oshie back. Berglund is a totally acceptable piece though. Plus as an RFA we have some wiggle room to reach the cap floor.

          • Doc

            I’d do Spezza straight up for Oshie.

          • AutoTurris

            I’ve thought of that but two things; slim that STL moves Oshie and I don’t know if Oshie can play C or LW. Can he?

          • Doc

            Oh, I know there’s a slim chance. Only wishful thinking at the moment.

            I don’t think he plays LW or C though.

          • FistsofNeil25

            I think he’s a natural center but spends most of his time on Backes’ RW. He can definitely play center though.

          • Doc

            Good to know. Never saw him play center before.

          • AutoTurris

            Decent… Maybe if Murray starts a bidding war right before the Draft. Oshie doesn’t have a NTC so we’d be open… Fuck that’d be a monster trade

          • Doc

            Hoffman-Zibby-Oshie

            Oh my!

          • AutoTurris

            Now my hopes are up damn it

          • Doc

            I know….I feel sad now…

          • Hax

            Yeah I’m back on capgeek.com trying to figure out how to get Oshie and Shattenkirk. Or Berglund and Shattenkirk.

          • Doc

            Don’t do it Hax!

            You fall deeper. That’s only a gateway trade!

          • Hax

            Too late (see above)

          • peetypuck

            Dream on.

          • Hax

            MacArthur-Turris-Ryan
            Greening-Zibanejad-Oshie
            Hoffman-DaCosta-Stone
            Condra-Smith-Neil

          • AutoTurris

            Or if an Oshie move could persuade Hemsky to stay we could move the Zib line to third and have Hoffman / Oshie / Hemsky

          • Hax

            Wow – yeah. Or look for another winger in the UFA market since there’d be cap room.

          • sens_bud

            MacArthur-Turris-Ryan
            Hoffman-Oshie-Hemsky
            Greening-Zibanejad-Stone
            UFA-Smith-Condra/Neil

            Wouldn’t mind this at all, but not gonna happen.

          • AutoTurris

            We can hope can’t we?

          • Hax

            Or:

            MacArthur-Turris-Ryan
            Greening-Zibanejad-Stone
            Hoffman-Berglund-Pageau
            Condra-Smith-Neil

          • FistsofNeil25

            Dislike.

          • Hax

            Yeah hockey’s future lists him as a C. Now maybe in STL he realized he couldn’t play there but I would expect/hope that he can.

            Nothing wrong with him on Zibby’s wing though.

          • Doc

            That was my ultimate goal.

            They would look REAL good together.

          • sprucesens

            I feel if spezza to st. Louis is the strongest place, I feel murray will push hard for oshie, or else say, then its shwartz and shattenkirk. And if they laugh at it, say well, Anaheim has big interest, and so does LA, so we’ll talk to them. Anywho, another point I was remembering is that we’ve talked trade with St.louis before to get Oshie. I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s the guy murray is targeting, and is trying to balance out picks and maybe a D or 2 going back to even things out. I really don’t think a trade of Oshie + for Spezza + is that far fetched. It would certainly be a better trade than Berglund as the primary piece coming back.

          • spezzerman

            Nashville is likely interested too although who knows if they are on his list. Possible though with the Fisher connection… I’d like Ellis and either Craig Smith or Colin Wilson

          • sprucesens

            yeah, my fav trade is still with Nashville, I’ve posted many times. Spezza, PW, for Josi and Forsberg. Add in picks as needed to balance out. Hopefully they still have interest too.

          • spezzerman

            I imagine Josi is untouchable now. Thats why I target Ellis since he is likely 4th on their d- depth charts. And, I can only assume Forsberg is untouchable.

          • peetypuck

            Why would they trade Oshie for Spezza. Now that’s a longer shot than the Sens winning the draft lottery next year.

          • Doc

            Didn’t say they would, I said I would.

            My guess is that we would need to add.

          • peetypuck

            I’ll ask you again, why would St Louis want to trade Oshie for Spezza? Would you trade him for Spezza? No way and they aren’t going to either just to please us Sens fans. Let’s stick to realistic trades.

          • FistsofNeil25

            I don’t know. I really hope the Spezza trade returns a player with high-end potential. It will be disappointing if we just get a couple third liners for him.

          • Hax

            Well I’m picturing an exceptional 3C (to rival Zibanejad) plus other pieces. Possibly with other pieces going the other way as well.

            But yes, agree that we have to have something shiny coming back or else.

          • Sandy

            lf all Murray can get for Spezza is a couple of 3rd liners.. then it’s simple. You don’t trade Spezza. If he still wants out and the team is not making the playoffs.. then trade him at the deadline.. Teams tend to overpay at the deadline anyway…

          • FistsofNeil25

            Did you see the prices players were going for this past deadline?

          • Sandy

            Were any of them #1 centres?

          • FistsofNeil25

            He’s a number one center now. We aren’t going to get more for him at the deadline when teams are closer to the cap. The time to trade him is now while there’s still a full year on his contract, and most importantly, while he’s healthy.

          • Hax

            Moot point. We’ll get more than “a couple of 3rd liners”. Enough teams are interested that Murray can get a bidding war going.

          • Sandy

            You don’t trade him for a couple of 3rd liners.

          • sprucesens

            some of the prices were ok. Think what vanek got midseason. They got moulson plus for him. Vanek then went on at the deadline and got a 1st and 2nd rounder. The player was the 1st rounder, and a 2nd pick I believe. I could be wrong, and don’t care to look it up. But it was sebastien collberg who I think is going to be a great player. Looked awesome in the JRs. The prices were maybe a little lower than everyone expected, because no teams had room for big name players this year, due to lowered cap. But if we trade in the offseason, every single team in the league literally has room to add spezza’s contract without moving a single piece. So that opens up a much larger market than just a few teams with room, and pushing for a spot.

      • FistsofNeil25

        This year will be a big learning experience for both these players. Only time will tell if they’re ready. Like most players, I’m sure they will struggle at times this season. They will be better for it in the long run though.

      • Tooks

        Exactly my thoughts. I have a feeling we will get to see first hand if they are rdy or not. Unfortunately if they are not, we got nobody else to replace them with.

        • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

          But we will have a legitimate shot at mcdavid!!

          • Tooks

            Well its gonna be tough, even if we do suck doubt we will suck more than EDM, BUF, FLA, NYI, CGY…

          • Sandy

            I think FLA & NYI will be better than what you think.. Tooks.

          • Tooks

            Still too young, they might be competitive but for 82 games…hard to see them leave the comfortable confines of the cellar! :)

            FLA I would agree with you a bit, more than NYI who just traded away their best 3 players not named Tavares…No goalie, No D, a carousel of coaches.

          • sprucesens

            they signed halak. Reinhart will probably make the jump and help out. He played well for the oil kings all series, and really was their only decent defensive D. Coaches could kill them, but I also think they could make a few decent signings in the UFA market. They have a few top prospects that can make a permanent jump. Remember just a year ago, they fought tooth and nail against Pittsburgh in the playoffs. While they certainly lost talent, they also have some younger guys hopefully ready to make the jump. But again, coaches and snow put in a giant X factor for them. Florida is always a crazy team. One year they are 6-8th all year, the next they are the worst team in the league, so who knows with them

          • peetypuck

            This reminds me of the 2003 draft when the Sens drafted 29th. It was arguably the best draft ever and we got the leftovers…Patrick Eaves. I hope we don’t make the playoffs and miss out on McDavid and Eichel.

          • Doc

            Your last sentence doesn’t make sense.

          • peetypuck

            Hahaha, you’re right. I meant miss out on a chance on drafting McDavid or Eichel.

    • Deadly

      Define ready.
      Can he score 20 and play strong 2 way hockey?
      Sometimes we may not be ready for something,but when the opportunity presents itself..you grab it.
      Was Ceci ready for everyday play in the NHL.

      • AutoTurris

        I completely agree; look at the lockout season and the injury plague, guys stepped up and filled roles, Turris among them. The better part of me believes that Zib could do well at 2C alongside two good wingers, not fucking Conacher and Milo…

        • Jakester

          He scored 16 goals playing last year playing what? 12 minutes a game… Time he got serious minutes cuz he plays the game the right way!

    • Deadly

      Stephan,Richards and Brassard all had 0 goals or less.
      I guess being ready is as much about compete level as points.

      • AutoTurris

        They had negative goals? Holy shit… It’s all about compete level apparently

        • Deadly

          20 or less. Air conditioner broken..sweat in my eyes.

          • AutoTurris

            Hahahahahahhahahahahaha

          • Doc

            First world problems!

          • Jakester

            Geez where r u in Florida? Its 10degrees here in Montreal! Lol

        • Zelle

          These posts had me laughing more than they should have lol

    • 383

      I think we get back a 2C in the Spezza deal.
      Or at least a C with potential, could go with a 2A/2B type deal with Zibby and whoever that may be. I still feel like Berglund out of STL is the most realistic guy coming back if that’s who they end up dealing with.

    • MethotToMyMadness

      Did anyone give any thought to Cullen’s Cap Geek lineup where he suggested signing Mikhail Grabovski? He’s definitely 2C material and he plays that feisty game that teams are looking for.

    • Shibal

      Next to Macarthur; Zibanejad had the best posession numbers this past season. On top of that, he scored 16 goals while averaging 14 minutes a game and playing with crappy linemates – Smith was averaging a whole minute more than Zibanejad in ice time.

      He has shown through out the season, that, when playing with skilled players, the best and most creative plays comes out of him. Even Bryan Murray wanted Zibanejad to play wing this season, just so he can play with the skilled players in the top 6, however Maclean stubbornly kept him at center behind Spezza,Turris, and Smith.

      • FistsofNeil25

        The problem is he’ll now be facing much tougher competition and may have a rookie or two as his linemates. That’s a lot to ask from Zibanejad so soon. I hope he can do it. He’s one of my favorite players on our team.

        • Shibal

          I agree. Yost mentioned that when Turris was thrown into the fires last season, he struggled to put up points, however it helped greatly in his development which resulted in his excellent play this season. He believes that Zibanejad may go through a similar hurdle next season, but the effort to overcome those struggles will only help him for the future.

  • Hax

    Damn the StLouis talk!

    If we could trade Spezza and I’ll say Cowen (though I’d rather it be Wiercioch) plus prospects/picks for Shattenkirk and Berglund (though I’d rather Oshie):

    MacArthur-Turris-Ryan
    Hoffman-Berglund-UFA
    Greening-Zibanejad-Stone
    Condra-Smith-Neil

    Methot-Karlsson
    Wiercioch-Shattenkirk
    Phillips-Ceci
    Borowiecki

    Anderson
    Lehner

    Depending on salary retained, guys needing new contracts and the spare forward(s), we’d have about $5M to spend. Callahan?

    Or we could look to trade Anderson as well to get a bit more budget room and run with Lehner and a veteran backup. Or try and move out Greening or Condra for cheaper options to get enough to spend on Callahan.

    Damn it.

    • Doc

      You were warned… Damn you…

      Poor Hax…Had all the potential in the world… Had to fall into the hard trades…

    • SensChirp

      Ryan Callahan is not gonna sign here.

      • Sandy

        Exactly.. And he also wants a lot more than 5M.. or the Rangers would have kept him…

      • Hax

        Thanks for the tough love Chirp.

        If you take the capgeek defaults for RFAs (which of course may not be accurate) and drop in Pageau as 13th forward, that roster above comes to about $49.5M – but that’s cap dollars not actual cash salary (which I think is still roughly the same).

      • Jakester

        Thank GOD!

    • 383

      Sorry Hax ol’ boy, did I miss something? You not feeling the STL Blues?

      • Hax

        The problem is that I can’t stop drooling over their roster. So many great players without NTC. Shattenkirk, Oshie, Berglund, Schwartz…

        I’m living in a fantasy land that EA sports couldn’t even support.

    • FistsofNeil25

      Whoever signs Callahan to a long-term deal this summer will likely regret it.

      • Jakester

        I agree, this guy thinks he’s worth big dough, can you say Clarkson revisited?

    • Jakester

      You really love Greening! Berglund should be the left winger on line 2. Maybe a Berglund-Zibby-Stone line.
      Hoffman-DaCosta-Stewart third line would be decent

      Bury your buddy Greening on the fourth line or have a dummy GM like Milbury was come asking for him!

    • Rafi Bomb

      No interest in Berglund. He was invisible in the playoffs.

  • Sandy

    Chirp? Why are the Sens so determined to get a first round pick in this draft which is said to be weak after the top 5 or so? I just don’t get it.

    Also.. an interesting bit about Dallas next season on TSN. Including in it…

    “Veteran Sergei Gonchar was something of a free agent bust, with diminishing ice time, and just four points in his last 35 (regular season plus playoff) games. He still has a year left on his contract, but it would come as no surprise if the Stars sought a team to take the 40-year-old off their hands. At his salary, it may not be easy.”

    Even though we could have used experience on D this season.. glad Gonchar was let go.

    • Hax

      I don’t think the Sens are all that determined actually. It’s fans who seem to throw “and their 2014 1st” in every trade scenario.

  • AutoTurris

    Pretty much the situation right now

  • boom

    Watching the Hawks/Kings series, the hawks are lacking a number 2 center – Toews is their only threat. Brandon Saad looks real good on the wing – maybe their best winger in the playoffs…
    How about Spezza for Sharp? Hawks finally get their 2nd line center, and the Sens get a proven top 6 forward, would help our young centers. I realize their may have to be more pieces involved, but what do you think of these guys being the basis for a trade?

    • Hax

      I was considering the Hawks too. Maybe re-ignite the Hjalmarsson talk? Sharp has a NTC though. As does Hjalmarsson actually.

      • boom

        I guess it’s the off-season for my brain too – forgot all about the NTC.
        Those of you wondering when the in-season is for my brain can keep those thoughts to yourself, thanks.

    • Sandy

      Sharp has a NTC. Do you think he would waive to come to Ottawa. The answer would be NO.

    • FistsofNeil25

      Sharp is a great player but I hope we target younger players with almost their whole career ahead of them. And like Hax said, he’s got a NTC.

      • MethotToMyMadness

        If Sharp is even an option, do it!! I love the idea of younger players, but it rarely happens that Teams just give up young top end talent that would end up in a top 6 role, which is what the Sens need.

    • Hax

      Interesting thing with Chicago is that Hossa does not have an NTC. Now, his contract is nearly untradable given the length and cap hit, but the actual dollars are not insane (it’s borderline non-compliant). Maybe they want to move him to a team that can suck up the cap pain for the rest of his deal? Though it’s not a 35+ contract so if he retires they get him off the books so maybe not??

      Not advocating getting Hossa but I wouldn’t hate the idea either.

      • Deadly

        I know you are not advocating…but every ex Sen should be out.
        Yes even Number 11.

        • Hax

          Yeah the agony of having Hossa just before his prime and just after it would be brutal.

          Of all the ex-Sens out there though …

          • WaitingSince92

            Chara might have been the most important superstar to leave the Sens, but Hossa will always hurt the most for me. Such a complete player.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Probably would have won a cup or two had we had been able to keep them both, instead of trading one for Heatley and signing Redden over the other.

      • peetypuck

        As if Hossa would come back to Ottawa after Muckler signed him and then flipped him over to Atlanta. Not going to happen.

        • Hax

          A. I’m not saying it will happen.
          B. Hossa doesn’t have a NTC so he’ll go wherever he’s traded.
          C. Muckler’s not here anymore.
          D. I don’t wish to discuss hockey with you going forward.

          • peetypuck

            That’s fine with me. At least I don’t have to put up with you accusing me of “wanting the team to lose on purpose” which you did yesterday. You do realize we’re all Sens fans and we all have different opinions? You need to learn to accept this. Yours is not the only opinion. When a team goes into a rebuild they usually trade away good players. That by my definition is a form of losing on purpose and the Senators are still in rebuild. They just lost Alfie last year and are now going to lose Spezza. That’s their two best players gone. We have no idea yet whether Ryan will re-sign. In my opinion we need to replace those players as soon as possible and the only way we will get quality elite (or franchise players) is through drafting very high. Nobody is going to trade a player of that calibre to us for just Spezza. Adding a bunch of plugs won’t do it either.

          • Hax

            Dude, all I was trying to point out is the difference between finishing 9th the way the leafs do (with a team full of mediocre vets) and the way teams like the 2007-08 Hawks did (well, 10th) where their team was full on young players coming into their own.

            We already have a lot of young players with great potential so I’d personally rather see them develop and come together (even if that means finishing 9th for a season) than see them play like crap just so we get one more player to add in.

          • peetypuck

            Listen, you took a couple of good rips at me yesterday and I took one at you about Hossa. There’s no reason why we can’t discuss our differing opinions in a way without trying to embarrass or humiliate each other. We’re both very passionate Sens fans. You don’t have to agree with me but if you’re going to rip at me then you should be prepared for the same. I didn’t come here to be someone’s doormat. If we both understand that I’m willing to bury the hatchet and shake hands (verbally) with you.
            Now then, we can just add another player or we can add a “player”. Hopefully our management team is not as pathetic as the Oilers or Panthers but more like the Hawks and Bruins. I don’t know how good McDavid will be in the NHL but just imagine the Hawks without Jonathan Toews or TBay without Steven Stamkos,etc. We’ve lost Alfie and we’re losing Spezza and we may well lose Bobby Ryan too. That leaves 24 year old Kyle Turris and 23 year old Erik Karlsson leading the team and hopefuls Zibby, Stone, Ceci and Cowen. Plus Peumpel and Lazar. We don’t have enough elite talent. That hardly adds up to a Stanley Cup contender let alone SC champs IMO. The best thing we could do although it will take a year or two longer is get the highest draft picks that we can get. If we don’t some US team will gladly grab them and more than likely pass the Sens in two years time.

          • Hax

            Hatchet buried. Didn’t mean to “doormat” anyone – just “chirping” if anything.

            I’m not saying our org can’t do a better job with a #1 pick that the Oilers, just saying we don’t necessarily need another super high draft pick to add to Turris and Ryan (and Phillips).

          • peetypuck

            You see, I’m afraid our team sans Alfie and Spezza (and possibly Ryan) just won’t be a real contender. I think the Sens will turn into one of those teams that goes one or two rounds in the playoffs year after year. If that happens it will be time to retool or rebuild again. Since we are already in rebuild mode let’s try to do it properly and get the horses now. Short-term pain for long-term gain. Once we finish rebuilding we won’t be getting any more high draft picks. Actually, during the rebuild we only got a 6th overall pick and since then we have been picking around the 15th place. I can’t see any of our players ever being of the calibre of Crosby, Toews, Stamkos, Tavares, Getzlaf, Perry, etc. And yes as you say that doesn’t mean we still can’t be contenders but don’t you think our chances drop considerably?

          • Hax

            I’m expecting Ryan to be extended so that’s part of why I feel differently. But yes, if we don’t get the kind of return for Spezza that we’d like AND if Ryan won’t extend then we’re in danger of getting stuck in that middling area. And while I don’t know if Turris will ever be considered in Tavares territory, I think Karlsson is the best player in the game (once he gets his backward skating back). So he’s our “Crosby” level player IMO.

            I also think teams are better off having a really strong supporting cast rather than the current Penguin model of 2 elite players and a bunch of scrubs. So if we have Karlsson, Ryan and Turris plus the great group of supporting players I think we’re in good shape.

            Of course if we did happen to get an Ekblad or McDavid then that helps a ton, I just don’t think it’s essential.

            But again, if Ryan leaves that could tip the scales a bit.

          • peetypuck

            Now, as for Edmonton, I can’t understand why Daryl Kaatz hasn’t fired Kevin Lowe and the whole damn management team yet. They’re pathetic. They haven’t brought in any supporting veteran, depth players to help those young kids. All they seem to want to do is finish last, year after year and draft in the top 5.

    • aegiszx

      Hawks have lacked a 2C for yearrrrs now lol they had Brandon Pirri, but he was recently shipped out because Coach Q did not like his defensive game. Tuevo Teravainen is only a rookie but should impress in his first training camp come Sept. Him, along with Nordstrom are going to be a big splash on their roster down the road.

      Toews(franchise), Hossa/Sharp (contract), Hjammy (ridiculous steal/franchise D) are untouchables… and the young guns in Leddy, Saad, Teravainen.

      What do you guys think about bringing in Oduya? He’s a steady 5/6 D with valuable experience. BM did say he wants those vets with 500-700 GP.

      Upside is that he’s only 32 (4 years younger than Phillips), and is really solid defensively. Not to mention he’s won– Stanley Cup and Sochi Silver Medal.

  • Phoenix

    I am probably in the minority but why Shattenkirk. Yes he has a decent contract but you would think with similar stats as Pietroangelo, St. Louis would want to keep him over Pietroangelo and try and spread the money throughout the different positions.

    Personally I like size on my Defense and if you have Shattenkirk at 5’11 and Karlsson at just at 6ft the defense is getting smaller for your top line dmen. Bouwmeester would be another one I’d look at over Shattenkirk, as he has size, can skate, and is a left handed shot.

    • Jakester

      I agree dude!

      • Jakester

        Up front

        Mac-Turris-Ryan
        Berglund-Zibby-Hemsky or Stewart
        Hoffman-DaCosta-Stone
        Smith-Pageau-Lazar
        Greening

        That forward lineup plus the D makes the playoffs!

        • laffin681021

          I agree. Not sure if this line-up at this point has the potential to go far in playoffs but it makes it. Would much rather have Hemsky slotted at the wing than Stewart as I’m sure most people would. I really dont want us to trade for Stewart though.

          • peetypuck

            They may or may not be good enough to make the playoffs but will they ever be good enough to win the cup? Then there’s that little question of whether Bobby Ryan will actually sign with the Sens. What if Murray can’t get his autograph this summer?

          • Jakester

            If you don’t get Ryan signed early on then you have to get 2 decent Nhl players for him. Could set us up with 3 potent lines. I think the boys will have a good team this year. As long as , Mac falls out of love with some of the slugs! And finally plays the best players that the Sens have in the fold!

          • laffin681021

            I have faith in Murray signing Ryan. In the circumstances that we don’t, what would you expect for a return for those “two” players.

        • Zelle

          I know people look down on this roster but what I see is a lot of hard working guys and some wow guys. I like it. (Although I’m not familiar with Berglund.)

      • FistsofNeil25

        Bouwmeester has played his entire career for non-playoff teams. Now he’s
        about to start a new 5 year contract with St Louis, a legitimate
        contending team. Don’t think he will be waiving his NTC to leave that
        situation for a non-contender.

        • Jakester

          Who knows what drives his boat! Sens have as much potential as ST LOUIS. Might love watching Karl skate up ice.

    • peetypuck

      I agree with you. We don’t need any more smaller players on D. I’d rather see Murray go after Oleksiak.

      • FistsofNeil25

        Only if Oleksiak can actually skate.You have to have a mobile defense in today’s NHL. The game is faster than ever!

        • peetypuck

          I think he is a good skater. How about him and Harpur for a shut-down tandem in the future?

          • Zelle

            I’m liking Harpur a lot as a shut down guy. Him and Methot?

          • peetypuck

            Sounds good !

  • MethotToMyMadness

    Any predictions for tonights Habs and Rangers game?

    • Zelle

      over 5.5 goals and 9.5 dives

      • Jakester

        Habs signed Alexandre Depatie!

  • Zelle

    One good thing about all the doom and gloom: our expectations are much lower this time around so it won’t be such a frustrating season no matter what the ending!

  • FistsofNeil25

    What kind of contracts do you guys expect the following RFA’s to sign?

    Hoffman – 1 year @ $950 000

    Da Costa – 1 year @ $1 000 000

    Gryba – 2 years @ $1 500 000 and $1 750 000

    Lehner 2 years @ $1 800 000 and $2 200 000

    Too much? Not enough? I wouldn’t want to give a long-term deal to any of these players. Hoffman and Da Costa still have to prove they’re full time NHLers and Gryba is just a solid bottom pairing guy. Lehner still has to prove he can be a starter in this league. He has starter potential but was nothing more than an inconsistent back-up this year.

    • WaitingSince92

      Gryba might be a little high and Lehner a little low. That’s just me though.

      I like the idea of one year contracts for those two. They’ll have a lot to play for.

      • Jakester

        Wiorcioch got 2 million a year, try signing Gryba for less than 2.

        • Tooks

          Exactly…

    • peetypuck

      Sounds okay. The four of them for under $6 million.

    • Jakester

      They will cost more than that, all four of them.

      • sprucesens

        Agreed. I think all are .5 mill low. Otherwise bang on. I would think the skaters all get 2 years though

    • Sandy

      Lehner just finished his first full season in the NHL.. and yes he was inconsistent last season just like the rest of the team. But with the Anderson injury late in the season the more Lehner played the better he got. He spent too much time on the bench.. not the way to develop a young goaltender.

  • ProfessorPower

    option #1) stay young, skilled, under the budget, and a bubble playoff team as of next season. Hopefully keep progressing.

    Jason Spezza for Etem + DSP + 10th
    Wiercioch + Prince for Stewart (30-50% retained)
    10th for Kevin Bieksa

    Macarthur-Turris-Ryan
    Etem-Zibanejad-Stewart
    SmithPelly-Lazar-Stone
    Hoffman-Smith-Neil

    Methot-Karlsson
    Cowen-Bieksa
    Boro-Ceci

    option #2) try to win now with proven winners and veterans.

    Jason Spezza for Richards + Clifford + 2nd
    Wiercioch + Prince for Stewart (30-50% retained)

    Sign Dan Boyle

    Macarthur-Turris-Stone
    Stewart-Richards-Ryan
    Clifford-ZIbanejad-Lazar
    Greening-Smith-Neil

    Methot-Karlsson
    Cowen-Boyle
    Philips-Ceci

    • AutoTurris

      Spezza plays similarly to Getzlaf, I’m not saying they’re the same player, just similar styles. I will be surprised in Anaheim bites for him.

      • ProfessorPower

        what do you guys think we should do? consider a trade with STL or Nashville maybe.

        I think there will have to be a few moves this offseason

      • Jakester

        Getzlaf is a lot more physical.

    • sprucesens

      Not sure LA want to trade players helping them get to the cup yet again, most likely. It would be for a prospect like toffoli+. Anaheim has lots of options in returns though

      • Sandy

        Rumours are LA is considering buying out Richards… He’s got about 6 yrs left for about 29M left to pay out.. Probably trading him they would be better off.
        As much as a like Spezza — he doesn’t fit the mode of an LA King. Big, physical, strong forecheck… that’s not Spezza’s game.
        Now they may try for Paul Stasny but that would put them really close to top of the cap..
        Based on a 69M cap limit.. the Kings have 11M left to sign about 4 players. If they signed Stasny he would take up most of that.. but he does fit the mold of an LA King.

  • Sandy

    The more I read Yost’s article on Stewart.. the more I don’t want the Sens to trade good prospects for him…

    • Zelle

      I don’t want Stewart because I don’t want the Sens to trade with Buffalo because I don’t trust Murray.

      • Sandy

        Agreed.. Tim Murray will want prime Sens prospects for him.
        He’s got enough draft picks the next 2 drafts.. let him develop his own,

    • peetypuck

      We really don’t have enough good prospects to trade anymore and still too many holes to fill.

    • Tooks

      No kidding, it doesnt take Yost to figure that out, check the guys production over the past few years…

  • Mitchell

    Also for Monday notes my first born and future Ottawa senator Quinn Aulis made his arrival at 6:20pm. One more for the sens army!

    • Jakester

      Congrats!

      • Mitchell

        Thanks jakester!

        • Jakester

          Being a father is the best man, enjoy! I have two boys.

          • Mitchell

            Oh that’s awesome, I’m really enjoying it. How old are your boys?

    • peetypuck

      Congratulations. Is he a forward or d-man? lol

      • Mitchell

        Thank you! I’m hoping a better center then I was, but just hearing him cheer for the sens on his free will be amazing

  • Sensturion

    Funny thing about that Todd Cordell tweet. Now I didn’t watch much of the Memorial Cup, but excluding the OT winner, I sort of found that Lazar was relatively invisible out there. I’ve also heard from multiple places that Lazar hadn’t been very good this post season (far from his regular season form, at least). Not sure who to believe or agree with.

    • Zelle

      I didn’t watch the whole run but in the games I caught I thought he was nowhere near invisible. Always around the net, a lot of great chances/shots.

      • peetypuck

        In the Mem Cup game he was on the ice for three goals for and not on when any goals against were scored. I think that says more for him than the one assist he got.

        • Tooks

          Not it doesnt +- is shit. Production is the only thing that matters he scored 41 times during the season, thats production, he scored what 2 goals in 6 games in the Mem Cup?

          • peetypuck

            Whatever CTD or whatever your name is.

          • Jakester

            He stánds in front of the net you Moron! Cuz he’s the only one with the Balls big enough to do it on the PP. Unlike your shrivelled up raisins that you sport!

          • Tooks

            LMAO, well then, we should have drafted him higher. standing infront of the net is a rare skill, LMAO…

            Listen, produce or go home. Thats what he’s gonna have to do to keep his spot as a NHL player, unless he wants to be bottom 6 the rest of his career.

          • Jakester

            You don’t score high on MENSA do you, he does what the coach asks of him.

          • Tooks

            So does Condra and Greening…

          • Deadly

            Great comeback..you really showed him.

          • Tooks

            I know, maybe I went to hard on him, poor guy, he’s so confused, sorry Jakester.

          • peetypuck

            Melnyk’s Trimel Pharmaceuticals is coming out with a remedy for your hypogonadism problem. lol

    • peetypuck

      That must have come from the Toronto media. They’re so jealous of whatever the Sens do.

      • Tooks

        Must be, hell the Leafs even took Kadri before us because they didnt want us to take him but its ok, we got Cowen, haha fooled them good huh!!

        • peetypuck

          You mean your Laffs that have missed the playoffs for eight of the last nine years?

          • Tooks

            And how many Cups have we won while we were making the playoffs? I see…

          • Jakester

            Tookie the king of all LEAFS fans Losers for coming on here to stir shit!

          • Tooks

            Why even go there, what you mad that its true? The Sens and Leafs have not won any Cups in anyone here’s lifetime. No point in saying “Oh but we made the playoffs more” haha.

            Tell me who has a better record vs the Sens in the playoffs…

            I’m not a Leafs fans but its so easy when you set yourself up.

          • peetypuck

            It’s been hard for the Sens to beat the Laffs when they haven’t made the playoffs in a decade. Doh!

          • Jakester

            FOff Bro , I’ve been on here long enough , you told me you were a Laughs fan a couple of years back. You were harping how Kulemin and Grabovski were going to be perennial 30 goal men. Blah blah blah

          • Tooks

            Sure if you say so. Never said I was a Leafs fan but I do watch some games, they are exciting to watch, gotta admit. Phil the Thrill, lol!

          • Jakester

            I’ll say this about Phil, he has one more testicle than you! Lol

          • Tooks

            And a better snap shot, ZING!

          • peetypuck

            I thought it was Phat Philly.lol

          • Deadly

            We?????

          • Jakester

            Pretends to be a Sens fan, sleeps with a Wendall Clark doll between his legs at night.

          • peetypuck

            Haha, Wendy Clark?

          • Deadly

            If that’s the way he pretends,he should come out of the closet and declare his real team.

          • peetypuck

            Whatever you say Laff Troll.

          • Tooks

            Yep typical Sens fan, cant take the heat, resort to “Leafs Troll” rebuttal, LMAO.

          • peetypuck

            Yep, now I’m sure that you are the Laff Troll…CTD.

          • Tooks

            Ok PTP…

          • peetypuck

            Someone used to call me Pee Puck. lol

          • Jakester

            A little edgy there Chip, did Mommy cut your allowance?

          • Tooks

            I’m not the one yelling “Leafs Troll” like a little girl. Instead of having keeping it to the discussion.

          • Tooks

            Nice waste of a comment. Keep cluttering the comment section with childish comments. Atleast say something funny or constructive.

        • Sandy

          1967 Tooks

          • Tooks

            1928? for the Sens? haha cant even recall.
            I’m not Leafs fan but our drought is much worse.

          • Sandy

            The Sens were out of the league for 58 yrs. You can’t win a Cup if you don’t exist.
            The last time the Leafs won the Cup it was a 6 team league..

          • Tooks

            How did I know you would use that excuse….typical. If you go by that then you dont count any of our Cups, 0 Cups. This discussion is over.

          • peetypuck

            The reason the NHA folded and began the NHL was to get rid of the Toronto Blueshirts. None of the other teams could stand them.

          • Tooks

            That must be it…sigh…

    • Sandy

      There’s a lot more to do on the ice than just score…

      • Deadly

        Exactly.

      • Tooks

        Thats the excuse of guys who cant score, lol.

    • Tooks

      Well, he did not have a good Mem Cup, compared to his season and playoffs. He was relatively invisible in all but 2 games, where he scored and had an impact.

      The panel at the Mem Cup had similar comments about his performance.

  • Sandy

    So penalty for Rangers early in the game and goal for Montreal. Missed the penalty.. was it a good call?

    • Deadly

      Kinda weak for the first minute.

    • Tooks

      I think so, Kreider came in from behind Subban and tripped him foot on foot.

      • Deadly

        If this is the standard for tonight,there should be lots of power plays.

        • Tooks

          If so be it, its a penalty. Cant extend your foot to trip guys.

          • Sandy

            … unless you are the Habs.

          • Tooks

            Not sure what your getting at, they have done no such play thus far.

          • Sandy

            I meant they get away with quite a bit.. not referring to just this game..

          • Tooks

            Because they skate and work hard, make teams take penalties.

  • luckan20

    The penalty was legit. Rangers need to weather the storm.

    • Tooks

      Yep Habs always do this, come out strong…Nash needs to wake the hell up!! LOL

  • Sandy

    As per Bell Centre rules the Habs are assigned a power play late in the game..

  • Deadly

    Unlike last game,Tokarski needs to post an over 900 percent save percentage or the Habs are toast.

  • Zelle

    Broken jaw says whaaaat?

    • Tooks

      You can see him trying to cheer but he cant, haha too funny!

      “Sco….Owwww”

  • Tooks

    Woohoo, weak goal by Tok, Stepan is a warrior, atta boy!

  • Zelle

    Some wicked shots so far and some big hits. Lively game!

    • Tooks

      Yeah, good game. Weak one that King H should of had.

      • Zelle

        Yeah the last two the goalies will want back I’m sure but at the same time both shots were precise with a quick release so it probably caught them off guard. Love those shots, those were like a Silfver Special haha.

        • Tooks

          HAHA Don Cherry on Lundqvist “What kind of suit is that, oh my” Love Cherry, hehe

  • Tooks

    Didnt see much of St.Louis in that period, hopefully he wakes up and puts the Habs on ice!

  • Tooks

    Lets go NYR PP, I think they suck hard but lets go!

  • Tooks

    OMG shoot the puck!!

  • Sandy

    F the Habs.

    • Tooks

      Speed kills man, Gallagher competes like nobody I’ve seen man, kid is s beast, well a little beast.

  • Tooks

    Rangers falling apart…ugh

  • Tooks

    Both Rangers D behind the net chasing, leaves guy wide open infront of the net…looks like the Sens, haha

  • Deadly

    If this was the leafs leading..a comeback victory would be guaranteed.

  • Zelle

    Ugly… Definitely an off night for Henrik but his team isn’t helping much. One more goal and my over/under goal comes true!

    • Tooks

      Was that a goalie change? the King is out.

      • Zelle

        I probably would have pulled him after the first period, you could tell he was shaky. Every goalie has off games though.

        • Tooks

          Agree just rare for Lundq to stink up a playoff game, I bet his bounce back record is insane.

          • Zelle

            Agree definitely rare and super disappointed but I trust he will bounce back. Great goalies bounce back. As a team Rangers are having a very weak game save for a couple of players.

  • Sandy

    So I guess game 6 coming up. The Rangers can’t afford to let this go to 7 games.. because I don’t believe Therrien. If it goes 7 games Price is back in net..

    • Tooks

      Yeah I have that feeling too, this goes to 7 tho Henrik is like GODMODE in game 7′s, unbeatable!

  • Tooks

    Alright, alright, get 1 late, setup the 3rd, maybe a comeback!

  • Tooks

    Hahaha woohoo!!

  • Deadly

    Ok back to watching.

  • Tooks

    2 goals in 1:18 sure helps get your confidence back, haha.
    Stepan again, maybe trainers should break his jaw more often :)

  • Tooks

    PP NYR, haha uh oh!! 4-4!

  • Deadly

    Embellishment..rangers 13 shots ..3 goals..Montreal 20 shots 4 goals

  • Tooks

    Wow very gutsy call, hard to call that. so much for Sandy saying Habs get all the calls.

    • Sandy

      Well it’s nice to see them call diving…

      • Tooks

        They probably only called it since he did the same in the previous game and the ref bit on the fake. They were well aware of this and knew to watch for it.

        Doesnt help to dive/embellish as I’m sure the refs feel terrible when they are tricked like that.

  • Tooks

    HAHA 4-4!!

  • Tooks

    Goalies having terrible game, Therrien needs to pull Tok if he wants to win this game.

    • Sandy

      Budai? I don’t think he is the answer… but then again.. the Rangers may win if he goes in net.

  • Tooks

    Umm this gonna end up 10-9?

  • Jakester

    Nash skating hard Whassup there?

  • Jakester

    Chirp love that Therrien Pic, brings back nice memories!

  • Deadly

    To start the third,would you start the King or stay with the knave?

    • Jakester

      Keep the young guy in, Henrik comes back and blows it he’ll be destroyed. This way he rests and relaxes a little.

      • Deadly

        He is a veteran and should be able to handle the heat , but I know what you are thinking.

      • Deadly

        If the young guy stays ,staple his butt in the crease. He looks a bit like Fleury when he is out of the crease.

        • Jakester

          I know, Fleuryesque!

  • Jakester

    They hook they hold on every f-ing play! Finally call one!

    • Deadly

      Subban could have had one..for sure.

  • Jakester

    Score quick Rangers.

  • Jakester

    St Louis was wide open side of net!

  • Jakester

    Of course he gets 5 minutes and Prust well………

    • Sandy

      Missed the call.. was it similar to Prust’s hit?

      • Deadly

        Similar..a little closer to possession.

        • Sandy

          So I guess we go to game 6.. Rangers aren’t coming back killing off a 5 min penalty..

          • Deadly

            Never know with the Patrick Roy pulled goalie taking over the playoffs.

  • bluebuyyoo

    Wiese back on the ice already. He was most definitely staggering after the hit. What happened to the quiet room and doing the right thing for the players? Another shot to the head could do some damage.

    • Sandy

      So he comes back after an elbow and a major was given.. but Prust got away with nothing while breaking his opponents jaw. Yeah.. that’s fair..

      • Don Ciccio

        Two wrong’s don’t make a right. The right call was made this time and the wrong call or non call was made last time.

    • SensChirp

      I admit I don’t know a whole lot about concussions and how often they occur but is not possible that sometimes a guy gets hit in the head and just…doesn’t have a concussion?

      Or is the idea that it takes awhile before you actually know if he does or not?

      • bluebuyyoo

        I guess that’s the hard part to properly diagnose. That was a pretty solid blindside hit to the head and Wiese seemed to be pretty wobbly. Subban was holding him up so that he didn’t fall and crack his head on the ice.

        What I am getting at is that everything I have heard and read says that concussions occurring closely together can be deadly. I feel that keeping Wiese off of the ice for the rest of the game whether he wanted to play or not, would have been in his best interests. Erring on the side of caution is the right thing to do.

      • Tooks

        They go in the “quiet room” and undergo a series of mental aptitude tests and with those tests they can determine if the brain suffered trauma.

        Maybe Wiese passed them all and was back on the ice quickly.

  • Deadly

    Most annoying commercial …not even close..anything with our Premier K.Wynne in it.
    Only my opinion.
    Enough is enough.

  • Tooks

    Lundqvist bounces back and posts a shutout in game 6, book it!

    • Sandy

      … and Price will be in net for the Habs.. That’s my bet..

  • SensChirp