Monday News and Notes

SensChirp April 28, 2014 606
Monday News and Notes

Been a quiet few days around here as I spent this past weekend traveling the United States in search of playoff hockey.  Caught Game 4 of the Rangers/Flyers series at the Wells Fargo Center on Friday night and Game 2 of the Binghamton Senators opening round series on Saturday.  Thanks to everyone for keeping the conversation going in the comment section during my absence.

A few quick thoughts on my trip and on some news and notes that came up while I was away.

-It was certainly an eventful start to the best of five series for the Binghamton Senators, as they split the first two games this weekend against the Wilkes-Barre Scranton Penguins. The BSens bounced back nicely from a devastating loss on Friday night, rallying from an early 3-1 deficit to edge the Penguins 4-3 in overtime. In a best of five series, it’s safe to say that was a season saving comeback for Luke Richardson’s team. Game 3 of that series goes on Wednesday night. Game 4 is on Friday in Wilkes-Barre.

-Had a chance to attend Saturday’s game in person and like the last two times I made the trip, I was blown away by the atmosphere in a rink that holds just under 7,000 people. Plenty of Penguins fans made the trip too which only added to the intensity in the stands. If Bingo can make it out of the first round, we are hoping to organize a bus down there so keep an eye out for details on that trip.

-And now to the actual game- Obviously Mark Stone looked great on Saturday night. Stone picked up a point on all four of Binghamton’s goals (2 goals, 2 assists) and was one of the most noticeable players on the ice all night. Also really liked the game of Chris Wideman. The Senators have a pretty significant logjam at defence as it is but it would be interesting to see what Wideman could do at the NHL level. He skates well and always seems to move the puck quickly up ice. Something the Senators were certainly lacking at times this season.

-With the St. Louis Blues surprising elimination in round one of the playoffs, you can expect that they’ll be one of the teams seriously looking at Jason Spezza this off season. They kicked tires on deadline day and according to Bruce Garrioch, both teams agreed they would talk about it again this summer. Ken Hitchcock has spoken highly of Spezza in the past although there’s really no guarantee he keeps that Head Coach job moving forward. Lots of interesting pieces on that St. Louis roster that would be of interest to the Senators. Something to keep an eye on.

-Not exactly Senators related but you know just about every fan in Ottawa took notice as the Bruins eliminated the Detroit Red Wings on Saturday afternoon.  Daniel Alfredsson came up short in his Stanley Cup aspirations and in the end, had to shake hands with one of the other teams that was seriously interested in his services.  There was a lot of talk leading up to that game about this possibly being Daniel Alfredsson’s final game in the NHL but listening to him talk afterwards, it certainly sounds like he’s considering another season.  I’m sure that sounds awfully familiar to Ottawa fans.

  • Dirk-Diggler

    I hope we can fleece St Louis for Shattenkirk + Tarasenko for Spezza +

    Also, sad that Alfie’s season ended yesterday. I know a lot of people here are happy he’s been eliminated but in my eyes he’s still a Sen! If somehow he makes his way home next year I will welcome him back. If he chooses to leave Detroit and go to Boston or SJ then I think he will truly be serious about winning the cup.

    • EK65

      What Sens fan wouldn’t love that really? It would have to be Spezza ++++++ .

      Spezza is an elite talent, but he is 30 going on 31 with injury problems. Not just with 1 area either. He’s missed significant time for back and hip injuries over the past couple years.

      • Dirk-Diggler

        Stop using logic to shit on our dreams!

      • FistsofNeil25

        Yeah we’re not going to get a young stud like Tarasenko or Schwartz for Spezza. St Louis probably wants Spezza to center those two. Steen-Backes-Oshie, Schwartz-Spezza-Tarasenko. That’s pretty legit. I still think we can get a good return for Spezz fom St Louis though. They still have some interesting pieces.

        • Dirk-Diggler

          So St Louis is going to want Spezza to complete their top 6 but will say back to Ottawa that they aren’t willing to give us anything elite back? If Ottawa trades with St Louis they need to pry a young prospect and a top 4 d man.

          Gotta remember that St Louis is just as desparate as we are…

          • FistsofNeil25

            I don’t think they are as desperate. There are also other top six centers available this summer, including UFA Stastny, Kesler, and possibly Eric and Jordan Staal.

            No team is going to give up an arm and a leg for one year of Spezza. I have a feeling a lot of people are going to be disappointed with what we get in return.

          • whammer44

            True, but dollar wise Spezza is a bargain this year. So one year of Spezza at $4 million vs. 7 years of Kesler, Stastny at $7 million/yr will be attractive to some.

          • SensDominate

            Only to budget teams…regardless of real salary, he still carries a 7M cap hit.

          • EHMatt

            Kesler has another 2 years at a $5 million cap hit. He’s the biggest
            bargain of them all. If he’s traded, he’ll bring the biggest return.

          • Dirk-Diggler

            That’s fair. Still a lot of teams will be looking to beef up this summer. Murray is a vet GM, he knows that his next deal will have to be a solid return or else the team will be in limbo again next season.

          • FistsofNeil25

            I think we’ll get a solid return but it will likely be one where we say to ourselves “okay, let’s see how this turns out” instead of “holy shit great trade Murray!”. Ya know what I mean?

            We’re more desperate to unload Spezza than other team’s are to add him. The organization pretty much scape-goated Spezza for this season and with rumors or him wanting out, he’s got to go.

          • Sandy

            True… but those other centres don’t have a 4M salary for next season either…

          • SensDominate

            That 4M salary would only matter to a team with lots of cap space and internal budget constraints…hmmm sound familiar? His cap hit of 7M is the number to focus on if considering trades to contenders…meaning the return won’t be very good.

        • Sandy

          Well you are not trading Spezza to any team for a couple of plugs.. To get you got to give.
          IF there is more than one team interested. then all the better…
          Look what Buffalo got for Vanek? Vanek is also 30 yrs old.. but doesn’t have the back issues..
          It will take a good roster player, a prospect and a pick.. Now if the pick ends up being a 2nd rounder.. then the roster player had better be a top 6 one or the prospect a top one..
          Dallas could be another team looking to deal after what happened last night. How would Trevor Daley look on the Sens blueline? But, unfortunately.. he would not be available..

    • Andrews theory

      In all honesty, I’d likely be happy if we landed either of those pieces along with a solid prospect.

      I think a guy that could substantially help this team next year and they’d be more willing to part with is JBO.

      Karlsson with JBO would be phenomenal

    • Doc

      Temper your expectations because you will be sorely be disappointed

      Your ‘+’ with Spezza will need to be a very BIG plus.

  • s3nsfan

    Regardless of whether or not Hitchcock is in St Louis, they need help. Spezza would definitely help them and there is, as chirp said very interesting pieces to be had. With the logjam at D here in the nations capital a possible package with Spezza could bring back a solid return to get this club going back in the right direction.

    These playoffs will certainly help stone and Ceci looking forward to seeig them back in camp come September.

    Asuch as I love Lazar and am excited as to what he can bring to these s I would think that a season in the AHL or at least part if one would be beneficial for him.

    • Dirk-Diggler

      I also want him (and Ceci) in the AHL next year. The kids need to learn the pro game at the minor level and then come up. I don’t want to rush any of them in. Also, guys like Stone, Hoffman, Pumpel have put in their time and deserve a chance first.

      • FistsofNeil25

        Who’s to say they would be rushing him? There are 18 and 19 year olds that play in the NHL every year. If Lazar is ready then he’ll get his shot. A lot of players are held back because they aren’t physically mature enough, or they have to learn the defensive aspects of the game. Lazar’s all round game is miles ahead of most young players.

        All I know is that Bryan Murray thought that Lazar may have been NHL ready last summer, and if it wasn’t for an injury he suffered during the rookie camp he likely would have had a shot to make the team out of training camp.

        • s3nsfan

          I personally believe as are professionals in the honey world of the opinion that 18-19 year olds are too young physically and could potentially run into injury problems. Part of he reason I believe he should spend another year maturing. But that’s just my opinion.

          • CRSens

            I would tend to agree with you, until I watch MacKinnon skate circles around veterans. Obviously I’m not comparing Lazar and MacKinnon, but the kid’s got game and deserves a chance at the NHL level

      • Pasky

        As far as Ceci starting in the AHL next season, look for either a trade for a D-Man, without giving one up, or re-signing Gryba. With Boro being on a 1-way next season, we would be at 7 Ds if any of the above happen, and since Melnyk is a cheap SOB, he wouldn’t pay to have 2 Ds sitting in the press box every night.

        • FistsofNeil25

          He paid 8 defenseman NHL salaries for most of the season until we dumped Corvo.

          • Pasky

            That was because of injuries though, let’s not forget Zib started the year in the AHL and we carried 22 players instead of the max of 23 so I don’t think Melnyk does 8Ds again

      • whammer44

        Ceci was arguably one of their best 3 dmen this past season…perhaps he’s a fast learner. This was Puempel’s first season as a pro, so not sure his extra 40+ games in Bingo is worth more than Ceci’s 40 or so at an NHL level.

      • Tooks

        Lazar is probably going back to junior, win a championship and dominate the League.

        Ceci is in our NHL top 4, he aint going down to Bingo…

    • EK65

      The Sens wanted to keep him up at the beginning of last season because they thought he was borderline NHL ready.

      He is also not old enough to play in the AHL next year. It’s the N or back to junior.

      • FistsofNeil25

        Yeah I’m still confused about the Lazar situation. I always thought a player had to be 20 years of age OR have played 4 full years of major junior.

        Most people in the know seem to think that Lazar is NHL ready. I expect we see him at least audition with the Sens to start to season to see where he’s at, similar to what we did with Zibanejad before sending him back to Sweden.

        • Doc

          That could be the more likely scenario.

        • A-Train

          Yes, I thought it was NHL or back to junior for Lazar. If so, that seems like a much tougher call.

          • SensDominate

            He can play in the AHL, it will just burn a year off his entry contract (without the NHL pay)

  • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

    When can trades start? This first round I suspect drastically increased our return

    • Senatollah

      I believe you can make a trade at any time except during a trade freeze. There are restrictions such as trade freeze (over xmas) or when you make a trade, i.e if after the trade deadline cannot play in playoffs (NHL or AHL). Most teams would wait until after the playoffs as teams in the playoffs not likely to make a deal, more teams available more leverage to the team being targeted to make a trade. if i’m wrong then f@#$ it, its monday and the Sens arent playing hockey

      • Dirk-Diggler

        I think currently there is a trade freeze and it’s over 48 hours after the Stanley Cup is awarded…

        • Conor_smythe

          I always thought you can still make trades, but the players are ineligible for playoffs

          in the case of ottawa st louis, they could trade right now, as it wouldnt affect anything

          I know 100% this was the case in the past, but I don’t know if thats still current

          • Conor_smythe

            The National Hockey League (NHL) trade deadline is a date and time set by the NHL league office after which any player acquired by a team is ineligible to participate in the Stanley cup playoffs

            - wiki

    • A-Train

      I also think that league frowns on anything that takes attention away from the playoffs …. so a big blockbuster trade between two eliminated teams would fall into that category.

      • Pasky

        Not to mention BM wants as many teams available as possible, to start a possible bidding war, unless St-Louis knocks his socks off with an offer immediately.

  • FistsofNeil25

    I wonder if Dallas will enter the Spezza sweepstakes. They could really use a second line center to play with Nichushkin.

    • EK65

      How can that work if we’re getting Nichushkin back for Spezza?

      ….. :)

      • Doc

        Interesting. Not sure if they would do that trade straight up.

        • EK65

          Hey Sheldon Cooper, welcome.

          • Doc

            Not sure I get the reference to my post, but alright.

            So you disagree or agree with my statement?

          • EK65

            The reference was that I was being 100% sarcastic about Nichushkin and you didn’t quite pick up on it.

            No way Dallas would do that deal, not in a million years.

          • FistsofNeil25

            More like Nichushkin, Seguin, Daley for Spezza, Wiercioch, Greening.

          • Doc

            Ah, so where on the same page.

            Kid has a lot of potential for sure.

  • Greening sucks

    The realistic trade could see something like Spezza + Weircioch for Shatterkirk + Berglund + Rattie.

    • Tooks

      Not realistic at all, the Blues might possibly lose Spezza after a year while we still have Shattenkirk, Berglund and Rattie…no dice, the Sens would have to add ALOT more to keep those 3 in a deal.

      • FistsofNeil25

        Yeah not the least bit realistic. More like Berglund (RFA) + Rattie + a mid-round pick for Spezza.

        • Pasky

          I’d rather see Shattenkirk + Rattie + 1st or 2nd pick 2014 for Spezza + Weircioch. Drop the pick lower or add a mid-late pick to make it happen.

          • EK65

            Again… St. Louis loses that deal and it’s not even close.

            Spezza is a great player, but you guys are missing his contract status, age, and injury history.

            Spezza for shattenkirk + 5th would be more realistic. No way they are squeezing all that out of the Blues.

          • Pasky

            If the Blues only give Shattenkirk + 5th the BM doesn’t make that trade. Spezza can get a roster player and a good prospect easily.

          • Tooks

            No thats the point…he cant and wont bring back much. Age, contract, injury history.

          • EK65

            No, Murray does consider that deal. Do you think Spezza is going to re-sign here after that year of his contract? Not a chance.

            If I’m Murray, you take Shattenkirk to play with Karlsson and run.

            Maybe you could squeeze a 2nd rounder out of ST. Louis too.

            Maybe.

          • Pasky

            So since Murray has said that he wants a roster player, a prospect and a 1st, he settles for roster player and mid round pick? Not a chance.

            As much of a risk that Spezza might be, there’s seems to be quite a few teams asking about him which drives up the trade value. Not to mention considering how competitive the West is, teams have to keep up, that drives up the value. Add in the fact the St-Louis went from being the favorite to win the cup, to losing in the 1st round for a second year straight, mostly do to dried up offence, they will be desperate enough to pay more than a player and a 5th.

            Not to mention Anaheim and LA both being interested, LA prob eliminated 1st round as well, just those 2 teams will up each others bid because of the division rivals. And BM could always use Toronto to bring up the price cause they would give up 3 pieces for Spezza.

            I will agree that there is alot of negatives to Spezza but this isn’t as bad of a situation as Heatley.

          • EK65

            If I’m a team in the West, I see Spezza as a player with even less value.

            Teams in the West are large, physical, and hard nosed. Spezza is the opposite of that. Even if Spezza does try and play physical, boom, he’s injured again.

          • Tooks

            Yes, then there is that…If Backes got knocked the F out imagine poor old Spezza in the West…ouch.

          • FistsofNeil25

            It all depends how good the roster player is. We could be talking about Shattenkirk or we could be talking about Jordan Leopold. They’re both roster players, but obviously Shattenkirk’s value is 10 times greater than Leopold’s.

            If we’re to acquire a roster player of Shattenkirk’s value, then we’re not also going to get that prospect and first round pick.

          • Pasky

            I agree with that. If we get Shattenkirk and a good prospect, no pick I consider that a win. Any deal involving Shattenkirk, I imagine we send a D back, one of Weircioch or Cowen as well.

          • Tooks

            And yes Murray would, thats a top 2 D man.

          • Brutus5247

            Except he’s a right handed shot and plays on the right side (except PP). Karlsson has enough trouble defensively on the right side.

          • Doc

            I would definitely consider that type of deal. Shattenkirk is legit.

      • 383

        That’s a good point, but you forget that the teams can work something out where they allow Blues/Spezza to talk contract before the trade. If they talk to Spezza’s camp and work out a 5 yr deal, that trade is totally realistic.

        • Tooks

          They could and would IF Spezza was 26 and in good health…Blues wont sign him for 5 years and Spezza’s camp wont sign anything until he plays out his last year.

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  • WaitingSince92

    Looking at the Blues, I would hope to get a first-pairing D as the main part of a Spezza deal.

  • EK65

    I think some people are seriously over valuing Spezza when talking trades.

    Great player? Absolutely. I would love for him to stay with us. He is a consistent point producer who is considered elite and is a top 10 C in the league.

    Other than that, he’s a 30 (turning 31) year old, injury prone guy, not known for any sort of defensive play with 1 year remaining on his contract…. Yeah.

    If you think he’s going to the Blues, and he’s going to net Shattenkirk (a top 2 D man), Ty Rattie (first round pick and solid prospect) PLUS a 1st round pick PLUS more?

    You may need to take a step back.

    • Tooks

      And stop sniffing glue.

    • FistsofNeil25

      That’s not to say he won’t net us a good return though. Considering his age, injury history and contract status I think that a good 2nd/3rd liner + a top prospect would be a pretty good deal.

      STL – Berglund + Rattie/Jaskin

      ANA – Bonino/Palmieri + Etem/Rakell

      Deals like those won’t blow our socks off but it’s definitely not bad. Better than losing Spezz to free agency next summer.

      • EK65

        This is definitely more realistic, although I believe Murray may look for a Dman with experience. We already have a solid bunch of forward prospects that have easily 2nd/3rd line potential. (Stone, Puempel, Lazar, Zibanejad, etc.)

      • Doc

        More realistic, but we have no need for Berglund

        • FistsofNeil25

          Why not? You can never have too many centers. It’s the most important position in the game and good teams have a ton of depth there. It’s easier to move a centerman to the wing than it is to move a winger to center. Look at all the teams out there with 6 or 7 + natural centers on their roster.

          SJ – Thornton, Marleau, Pavelski, Hertl, Couture, Wingels, Sheppard, Kennedy, Desjardins

          Colorado – Stastny, Duchene, O’Reilly, MacKinnon, Talbot, Mitchell

          Anaheim – Getzlaf, Perrault, Bonino, Cogliano, Palmieri, Winnik, Koivu

          Boston – Krejci, Bergeron, Kelly, Campbell, Marchand, Soderberg

          Those are just a few examples. Losing Spezza seriously messes with our center depth. We need more experience at that position and we could really use a left handed center.

          Turris, Zibanejad, Smith, Pageau, Da Costa, Lazar, Grant. That’s a whole lot of young and not much experience. Not much size either. Only two lefties in that group as well.

          Berglund is a left handed center, plays left wing as well, and he’s 6’3” 217 lbs.

          • Doc

            He’d slot in as the third line center, and besides size I don’t see him adding that much more than what we currently have.

            There are a LOT of better pieces I would want back before Berglund.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Obviously I would prefer numerous pieces from St Louis over Berglund, but I don’t think they would offer a better roster player than him. They’re so close to getting over the hump there and it would be way too much of a risk to trade away a big piece of their core for an older player. We won’t get Backes, Oshie, Steen, Schwartz, Tarasenko, Piterangelo, Bouwmeester or Shattenkirk for Spezz.

        • Jakester

          Can play center and left wing.

      • Jakester

        Something like that, Berglund is a big guy who plays a good game, nothing against him.

    • Jakester

      We may need to add a player! Lol

  • Phil.

    Can anyone think of a good comparable for a Spezza trade in recent years?
    Best I can come up with is Jordan Stall (ie not a great comparable but high end center at the time, end of contract). That brought in Sutter, Dumoulin and 1st.

    • Misaow

      Joe Thornton
      for
      Marco Sturm, Brad Stuart and Wayne Primeau

      • EK65

        Yes, these deals are similar in that they involved trading one very good C away, but Staal and Thornton were rookies compared to Spezza at the time of this potential deal.

        • Phil.

          Can you think of a better comparable? Obviously the ones listed have flaws, but finding better ones isn’t easy.

          • EK65

            No I can’t, but I don’t think there are any comparables to this situation. Plus, comparables aren’t that useful anyways. Things always change depending on the supply and demand in the market, not unlike an economy. Case and point, the trade deadline. Prices for Vanek and Moulson were a lot lower than people anticipated.

          • Phil.

            I don’t disagree but even flawed comparables put a Spezza trade in context when there is so much unrealistic speculation on a possible return in that trade.
            I think a reasonable expectation is a 2nd line or better than average 3rd line player and a 1st. Or some variation on that anyway.

          • Sandy

            Tomas Vanek for Matt Moulson, a 1st round pick in 2014 + a 2nd round pick in 2015.
            Same age.. but I think Spezza, when with decent wingers is better offensively than Vanek. But Vanek doesn’t have quite the injury history.
            Someone mentioned in the last post that St Louis didn’t really need scoring help. They were 7th in the NHL in the regular season to Ottawa 11th…
            But in the playoffs the Blues went 2 for 29 on the PP. You are not winning anything with that…

        • Misaow

          And even younger
          Tyler Seguin, Rich Peverley and Ryan Button
          for
          Loui Eriksson, Joe Morrow, Reilly Smith, and Matt Fraser

          Not a 1 for many trade but still a top center being traded, but again still a rookie.

    • Phil.

      Jeff Carter (had long term contract) for
      Jack Johnson and 1st

    • Garrioch’s reliable source

      not recent but Esposito + to the Rangers for Ratelle + ?

  • Conor_smythe

    If we trade to st.louis, Its Pietrangelo or nothing

    go big or go home

    • aegiszx

      GM Doug Armstrong: “Go home Bryan, you’re drunk.”

      • Conor_smythe

        fine by me

      • Brutus5247

        Oh Sorry, it’s you Eugee.

      • Jakester

        Weren’t you trading Spezza for Elliott earlier? Guess you sobered up!

    • Doc

      Armstrong would hang up after hearing “Pi..”.

      Not gonna happen.

      • Conor_smythe

        I suspect that you’re right..

        just voicing my opinion.. I wouldn’t trade Spezza for a number 3 or worse dman, no matter who else is included in the package

        if Spezza goes, we get a 1-2 dman in return, or else it isnt worth it

        Pietrangelo even shoots the wrong way (so does shattenkirk) to play with Karlsson, so although I’d love to have him, its not a great match for our team

        • Doc

          Didn’t mean to sound rude if I did.

          Pietrangelo is a very solid top 2 and a future Norris winner for sure in my opinion.

          It would take Spezza + + to land him.

          Wishful thinking at best, but man would it ever be sweet.

    • not YOUR wingman

      then it will be nothing

      if Saint Louis is willing to trade Pietrangelo they will get a LOT
      more than JS19 for him

      • Conor_smythe

        right.. and if Ottawa is willing to trade Spezza, we will get a LOT more than KS22 for him

  • MethotToMyMadness

    Chirp, happy you were able to make a game to Bingo. Talk on the radio said they were not even close to a full crowd. I guess that’s the life of Hockey in the A, in a 7000 max rink. I think it’ll come to life more, when they push into the 2nd round of the playoffs.

    If the Sens were to attempt a deal with the Blues for Spezza, we would all love to see something like Shattenkirk, Schwartz or another high end talent, but I can’t see it happening. Berglund isn’t out of the question, as I fully expect Spezza would take that #2 C position from him, so he’d welcome the move to keep that position. And it’s not out of the question to see St Louis try to pawn off Paajarvi, who hasn’t benefited from the change of scenery as much as many in St. Louis were hoping. On a Team Like St. Louis, he produced less points in more games, then he did last year in Edmonton. That Perron moved worked out very well for Edmonton, but the real winner won’t be known until the 2nd round pick!

  • 383

    Best recent trade comparison for Spezza is the Carter or Jordan Stall trade. Berglund, Rattie and a 1st is not crazy, again, espcially if they are allowed to talk contract with Spezza beforehand.
    Remember how much letdown as Sens fans of some of those early/mid 2000 teams? When we were ready to win “now” and would get bounced in the 1st round? You wanted change and to bring someone in who is a proven producer and who can help win NOW. I’m not saying we’ll get this for Spezza, but STL and whoever loses LA/SJ will be desparate to make a deal.
    Each team thought they had a chance at the cup.

    • Doc

      Curious as to why everyone is jumping on the Berglund bandwagon. We don’t have a need for him to be honest.

    • Tooks

      If your a Western elite team do you really look at Spezza and say, hmmm, he might just be the piece we are missing? The West where body parts are dangling even after regular season games… Spezza doesnt hit, doesnt play D and doesnt hustle. The only all skill top 6 in the West are the Hawks, the rest bang and rely on effort.

      • FistsofNeil25

        And there’s a reason why Chicago has come out on top 2 out of the last 4 years.

        • Tooks

          Yeah he’s called Jonathan Toews…

          • FistsofNeil25

            Best player in the game. Helps to have Kane, Hossa, Sharp, Keith, Seabrook etc lol

          • Tooks

            Oh I agree it helps alot, I was just stating that only 1 team in the West do it on skill alone, to some extent, then it falls on heart. CHI dont need Spezza and thats probably where he would fit in the most.

            The other teams, LA, SJ, STL, ANA would require Spezza to change his game again. Something he was forced to do in Ottawa. I just dont see those teams going after a guy knowing he will need some major work to fit into their system.

          • Pasky

            Well I would say Colorado plays more skill as well, although lucky goaltending this year helped alot.

          • Tooks

            Oh good call, COL has tons of skill no doubt, they are struggling a bit due to inexperience but ya, doing it on skill alone right now, they dont know any better.

          • Jakester

            Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

          • Sandy

            There was a time when the debate was who is better.. Crosby or Ovechkin. They forgot to include Jonathan Toews who, overall, is better than both of them. The other 2 score more goals.. but Toews does everything else..
            To have a player like him in your lineup would be a huge blessing…
            He’s just clutch and class..

      • 383

        That’s fair. If I’m Doug Armstrong I wake up this morning and ask myself why we lost that series. One answer would be the powerplay.

        Spezza could help out there.

        • Andrews theory

          yep…. St Louis scores by committee and they really dont’ have a lot of game breaking ability. Spezza, if nothing else brings an elite level of talent to the table that can pick apart another team. St Louis as whole is a hell of alot better defensively as well so Spezzas’ safety net would be alot bigger than here.

          • Tooks

            Yes and everyone is expected to be defensively sound, especially the #2C. Something Spezza doesnt do very well.

        • Tooks

          Ya I agree the PP was a concern but unless they plan on playing Spezza only on the PP, not a great fit for them. I would even predict he gets injured 15 games into the season if he plays in the West on any team…

          • ChampIsHere

            That’s just stupid. Spezza can play in the west just fine. A lot of pro scouts here..

      • A-Train

        St. Louis had trouble on the PP in that series. Spezza would help there.

  • FistsofNeil25

    I don’t know what Bryan will target this summer but if we’re going to get ourselves back into the playoff picture then he has some serious holes to fill.

    The only proven top six forwards we have are MacArthur, Turris and Ryan. Most of us expect that Zibanejad will be ready to be the second line center, which leaves two top six wing spots open. Stone showed that he may very well be ready to claim one of those spots.

    I also strongly believe we need a solid third line center capable of playing big minutes against the oppositions best forward line. Smith is agood player and all but he’s not built for that role.

    Then you can take a look at our defense and see that we have one proven top pairing
    guy (Karlsson) and one top four guy (Methot). Obviously the organization hopes that Cowen, Ceci or Wiercioch will be able to make a move for those two other top four spots but that’s putting too much faith in the young guys.

    The way I see it, we have three big holes to fill on the roster. Top six left wing, third line center, and top pairing d.

    MacArthur – Turris – Stone
    XXXX – Zibanejad – Ryan
    Smith – XXXXX – Lazar
    Hoffman – Pageau – Neil/Condra

    XXXXX – Karlsson
    Methot – Ceci
    Wiercioch – Gryba
    Phillips

    • Doc

      It all depends on when they expect the Sens to be contenders. For me, we are not anywhere close, even if we fill out those few holes. Looking at teams like St-Louis being eliminated in the first round only adds to that feeling.

      As for Smith, I think he’s exactly what we need for a third/fourth line center. The problem has always been his line mates. When you’re stuck with Greening and Neil, there’s not a lot you can do.

      • FistsofNeil25

        I agree that Smith has been brought down by Greening and Neil, but I don’t think he’s good enough to go up against Crosby or Malkin, Giroux, Stamkos, Kessel, Tavares.

        I’ve always believed that your third line center should be the guy who goes out and shuts down the opposition while still contributing some secondary scoring. I don’t think Smith is good enough for that role but that’s just me. He lacks the mobility and IQ. He’s a great 4th line center and a pretty average third line guy. Maybe Lazar will be that guy some day.

        I think Smith would be at his best on the wing where he can play more physical and get under the skin of the opposing team. There’s too much responsibility for him at center.

        • whammer44

          I agree with this. Smith is ideally a 4th line player and my preference would be for him to be on a line with Pageau and Neil moving Condra and Greening out. I would have Hoffman on the 3rd line. To me there’s two spots there and one in the top 6 that need filling.

          Maybe Lazar is one of those guys and maybe Puempel or Prince is another and maybe we sign a FA and maybe we get a solid return on Spezza. Bottom line imo theres 3 spots that need upgrading.

          On D theres a need for a significant upgrade…2 top 4 dmen needed. Again maybes as far as from within and what trades/FA’s may happen.

          For me its 5 spots that need improvement for this team to be a real contender. Odds are 1 or 2 spots may happen naturally through player development but I would like to see at least 3 new bodies come in this summer to fill those 5 spots.

      • Jakester

        He isn’t very creative offensively. Plays die on his stick! 4th line center is what this guy is. A good 4th line center. Sens have DaCosta or Hoffman(natural centerman)who can play center behind TUrris and Zibby.

        • FistsofNeil25

          Disagree on Da Costa and Hoffman as the 3rd line center. We need someone with some size and a defensive pedigree for that spot. Hoffman is best suited for the wing in the NHL and Da Costa likely won’t be part of this team’s future unless Pageau is traded.

          • Deadly

            SDC might get us through until Lazar arrives.

    • Garrioch’s reliable source

      Please help us Billy Beane – you’re our only hope

      • Cactus Face Elmer

        Indeed.
        What WILL Bryan Murray find in the Joe Corvo Bargain Bin this summer ?

        • Sittin’ In the Bleachers

          Dany Heatley ?

          • FistsofNeil25

            Heatley has Florida Panthers written all over him.

          • Dirk-Diggler

            Islanders

          • peetypuck

            Now that’s a thought. Heatley, Spezza and Hemsky on the Islanders.

          • Sandy

            Buckle up…

          • whammer44

            Would love to have the Oilers be the only team that offers Heatley a contract…not going to happen, but it would make me happy for a new york minute

  • MethotToMyMadness

    With the Sens not in the Playoffs I’m not keeping up on all the Sports info, and just now realized the 3 finalists for the Norris were announced, Chara, Keith and Weber.

    I can see Chara and Keith in that mix, they were both heavily involved in what the Teams did this year. I think Keith probably takes it in the end. Weber, while great offensively, did no better than EK this year, when it comes to where the team finished. In fact, wasn’t this one of the worst seasons for Nashville?

    If you are going to pick a D who performed well, and the team didn’t make it, they should have looked at Giordano. From Teams who made the playoffs, Hedman in Tampa who finally had a breakout year and was a big part of that teams regular season success. What about Niskanen in Pitts? 46 points, lead NHL D in +/- with 33?

    • Tooks

      No kidding its a joke, those guys you mentioned minus EK all deserve it more than Weber. Especially Hedman as he is as hard to play against.

      But who cares really, Keith gonna win it hands down.

    • Brutus5247

      Not getting Hemsky earlier cost Karlsson the nod(along with the fact he can’t pivot properly to the right). Had a great last 20 games. Don’t want to blame 1 particular forward as a main contributing factor( who was -26), but I will. People who think they will get a PREMIUM for Spezza are dreaming.
      1) Everybody knows the team is shopping him.
      2)Everybody knows he’s a defensive liability.
      3) Everybody knows he’s been injured a lot.
      The best we get is a 3/4 dman and a 4/5 forward and a third.

      • Tooks

        Even without Spezza, Karlsson did alot of dragging himself down…Getting out muscled by Heatley on the side of the net for a goal…ugh…

        • Jakester

          Oh please.

      • Sandy

        Then you might as well keep him and lose him for nothing than to settle for a top 4 D and a barely 2nd line forward.

    • Jakester

      They don’t put much of an effort in thinking out the nominees!

  • Cicero
    • Tooks

      ^Exactly this^

      • Andrews theory

        I’ll take Murray’s track record on trading over Feasters thanks.

        • Tooks

          Doesnt change the fact that every other team will go by this. Murray’s asking price will probably be much too high for everyone.

          • sprucesens

            and the teams that are sick of losing in the playoffs might want to pay that to get in, before their window closes, and they have to start a rebuild….

          • Tooks

            Well if a team is starting a rebuild, its not going to build around Spezza…

            And u talk like the Blues being eliminated is a huge dissapointment, it aint, there were 5-6 teams in the West all over 100pts…Head to head, one of em had to go. The Blues are just fine and like everyone says about our players “They will only get better”.

            Dallas well, they are a fringe team, with Benn and Seguin, and a young group, they showed they could hang with ANA. Just need more experience and that will come.

            L.A. is another story, they are getting a bit long in the tooth upfront, adding Spezza would only make that worse. Just look at Gaborik…

          • sprucesens

            well out of all those teams listed, they won’t be winning the cup, and that’s the goal. We aren’t going to trade spezza for a bottom pairing D and a mid level prospect, that would hurt the organization more than just keeping spezza and letting him walk in the summer. It’ll be for 2-3 good pieces or not at all. Cedric nailed it exactly above a few posts. We will get good pieces coming back, because despite a very poor start to the year, like the rest of our team, he still put up 60+ points. Had he been healthy all year and had hemsky all year, he probably would have been 80+ again. Yes he was a – player, but most of our team was. Murray will get very close to his asking price, assuming the teams that are interested aren’t on the no go list, which I doubt they are. (LA, St.louis, Anaheim and so on) And even if a team is on his list, he’s the type of guy who would probably say ok to murray, if it helps the sens, as he only has 1 year left, and could probably run in the offseason wherever he wants. Remember, spezza’s linemates this year, for short periods included, smith, condra, greening, neil, michalek. Not exactly an all star cast….

          • Tooks

            None of the teams above will give up their top prospects or young top 4 D men for a 1 year rental on a player that doesnt fit in their system (defense, hitting, strong skating).

          • Sandy

            Well then.. Spezza stays. You don’t trade him for plugs..

          • FistsofNeil25

            You don’t keep him just to lose him as a free agent. They have to take the best deal they can get for him regardless of whether or not it’s “fair value”.

            How do you keep a guy around after scapegoating him for the team’s rough season, and after it has become public knowledge that he wants to get out of here. How to you keep the “C” on his chest.

            Spezza will be traded for the best offer this summer.

          • Jakester

            There are teams who will be intrigued and will have no trouble paying 3 pieces. St-Louis is one of them!

          • sprucesens

            also, I said BEFORE their window closes, not the teams that are actually in a rebuild. In other words, while those top teams are still considered top teams, and legit threats every year, that is when you trade your top prospects and picks to get other star players, to put you over the top. Which is all the teams that have rumours about them being interested. Personally I think it’d be great if a bubble team went after him, as they tend to have the better prospects right now, because of higher picks. But each of the top teams have plenty of good young players to offer as well.

          • FistsofNeil25

            We’ll get more than what Calgary got for Iggy but less than what players like Ryan and Nash got for their former teams.

            Whoever acquires Spezz will be getting him for a full season. He’s a lot younger now than Iggy was last year when he was traded, and he’s still a high-end offensive player.

      • MethotToMyMadness

        Exactly this, only if Spezza agree’s to be traded to a team on his list, only to turn around after it’s been confirmed, and say “Sorry, I only want to go here (insert Penguins)” completely shafting the franchise. And an even bigger slap in the face, sign with the originally confirmed trade partner the next season.

    • sprucesens

      I was gonna say we’re gonna get something comparable to what Calgary got, but if its in the offseason, we will get a bit more(as its a full year rental). Iggy is also 5? years older so that comes into consideration for 35+ contracts, if he ever gets more than 1 year contracts. But its likely to be something in between what we gave up for ryan, and what iggy went for. But at the time, everyone laughed at what iggy got, and was almost more of a favour to him to trade him where he wanted to go. Also, our price can go up, if whatever team that wants to trade for him is allowed to talk contract before hand. If that happens, we get 3 great pieces. If not 2 great pieces. Even if its a top prospect and a 1st, its not a terrible deal, if he was going to leave in a year anyways… If we don’t get what we want, we’ll give him the year to prove himself and maybe try to change his mind. So long as its not a distraction

    • spezzerman

      if all we are going to get is two mid level prospects and a draft pick we shouldnt bother trading him at all.

    • FistsofNeil25

      Iginla was dealt at the deadline instead of in the offseason. That changes a player’s trade value drastically. He also had a full NTC and handpicked Pittsburgh as the team he wanted to be traded to.

      Spezza will be with his new team for a full season and only has a limited NTC. If they reports are correct, Spezza can only select 10 teams he would refuse a trade to.

      We’ll get a better return for Spezz than Calgary for for Iggy.

  • Dirk-Diggler

    Here’s a thought..

    What would it cost to get Ovi that doesn’t cost us Karlsson?

    And, would you do it? If we had Ovi would our building sell out? Would fans buy #8 jerseys?

    • FistsofNeil25

      Our building will never sell out again until we have a winning product on the ice. Fans won’t pay to go watch Ovechkin float around for 82 games.

    • Kohlmanator

      They can already buy #8 jerseys, it’s the only one in the rafters. Euge would veto that trade unless the Caps retain 50% of the contract, lol.

      • Dirk-Diggler

        I’d take down that #8 to give it to Ovi! :P

    • Sittin’ In the Bleachers

      an owner with money to spend for starters

    • runningbear1974

      no thank you… He’s not the right type of player for our type of organization… He cost too much for what he’s really worth… Better for us to spend 3million on Macarthur rather than 5million on Hemsky…

      • Jakester

        No kidding! Sens trying to build a team with character, would be a big step back.

    • Sandy

      Don’t want Ovi on this team. He’s an elite player BUT he doesn’t appear to care about the team…. it’s all about him. That’s my observation….

  • whammer44

    Lots of debate on what Spezza is worth in a trade. Some over valued and some under valued opinions. So who’s a current comparable player in terms of age and overall game?
    Maybe Henrik Sedin and Eric Staal are the closest comparables, but you could even look at Rick Nash…most would probably say they would rather have Nash but Nash’s PPG is lower than Spezza’s and Spezza has a better plus/minus by 100 over their careers. By the numbers Spezza’s better…

    I’m curious as to what anyone would give up from the Sens roster to get a Spezza-like player.

    • MethotToMyMadness

      I like Spezza, have for awhile. I don’t think I’ve been on either end of the spectrum when it comes to evaluating him, I like to think I’m somewhat reasonable. But Cedric and wahmmer44 make good points when it comes to the appreciation level.

      I think we as fans SHOULD be selling him high and appreciating his value. He’s been a top producer for us for years and will continue with good numbers, at least for the next 2 or 3 seasons. Maybe he’s not at the top of his game, but if he’s being used as a centerpiece for what may be one of the Sens biggest trades in it’s history, damn it, sell the crap out of him for more than what he’s worth!! If you were trying to sell your house, would you keep sh!tting all over it, talking about how run down it is? How it lacks things? No, you sell on the positives. This is a business after all.

      I think the Nash comparison is very close. Look at what NY traded for Nash. And in the end, Nash and Columbus didn’t end pretty, but the value on the return was still there. Teams look at the player, look at the production and offer what they feel he’d be worth to that organization. Yes, the starting offers will be low balling, but BM will work out a process, if one is worked out.

  • Cedric

    I’ve been reading this blog for a few years now. I’m not big on posting, but I wanted to share my thoughts on Spezza.

    With regards to fans who say the Senators should not trade him remember it’s not just the organization that is thinking about this move, but the player himself that believes that such a move would be in his best interest (according to reports).

    As far as Spezza’s value, a lot of fans are determining his value based on whether they are a fan of his or not.
    The facts are that Jason Spezza is a number One centre in this league and they are very hard come by. Even if he no longer fits in the Senators plans, he has substantial value to several teams in the league. Fans should not let personal (for lack of a better term) feelings cloud when estimating what the potential return for him would be. Is he worth what Toews would return, no. Is he worth what Mike Richards would return, arguably more.
    The facts are that he’s a veteran no.1 centre in the NHL that has put up a point per game throughout his career and has shown to be back to that level of production since December/January.
    Does he have some injury issues, yes but most players in the NHL do have some form of chronic injury history.
    The fact that Spezza has another year on his contract is a plus. In fact, if he had 4-5 more years left on his deal at 7+ million, it may make him less attractive to acquire. The team who trades for him will have more control in that they get to negotiate.
    I’m sure any team that trades for Spezza will get permission to talk to his camp and will agree on a deal before any trade is completed.
    Just my thoughts.
    Cedric

    • Zachpraisetheswedes

      This guy knows what he’s talking about

    • Tooks

      Mike Richards won a Cup, Spezza has not. Mike Richards’ value is ALOT higher than Spezza’s.

      No this guy does not know what he’s atalking about, lol.

      • Sandy

        So Richards won the Cup all by himself? The LA defense and Quick had no part in that?
        It takes a TEAM to win the Cup Tooks.. and the Sens obviously did not have that. They came close but got there on 1 line.. and 1 line only.
        You have to have a deep team in the NHL to win the Cup — I don’t care who you are… Not just one player.. unless of course.. that player is the goaltender..

        • aegiszx

          Sandy, I think Tooks has a point. Just gonna play devils advocate here. It can be argued… Richards is a proven winner. WJ, Olympic Gold, Stanley Cup– Former Captain that went to the SCF. Is it just a coincidence that this guy has been in huge situations, everywhere he has gone? Maybe, it could be argued that its all a coincidence that hes always been on a deep team, but to be in those situations, to be even CONSIDERED for those situations/teams, says a lot about what the various GMs/organizations across the league think about Richards.

          You don’t get a guy like Mike Richards and expect him to put up 100+. No… You get him because you believe in his character, and you believe in what he has to teach the young guys coming up about work ethic, values, and understanding how to be a big time player in this league.

          We can’t replace Alfie, but damn, we could sure as hell try if we acquire a guy like Mike Richards.

      • Jakester

        Not sure about that one Tooks. I think people over value Spezza a bit but hell Richards like Speza isn’t the player he once was. Spezza can at least put up some points.

    • Sandy

      A lot of good points.. Thank you for that…

  • sbs138

    sigh…knew I would see the “Spezza to St. Louis” bit when I checked out the page today.

    • Dirk-Diggler

      Do you propose something new?

    • SensChirp

      Tough angle to ignore especially with their rumoured interest at the deadline.

      • sbs138

        true enough, but at the end of the day, it was “rumoured”. ppl can speculate all they want but it wouldn’t be surprising to see nothing happen.

        • SensChirp

          I would be shocked to see nothing happen. And that’s not based on “speculation” but rather things I have heard definitively from people in the know.

          • spezzerman

            do you think any of it could be chalked up to emotions running high on both ends as a disappointing season drew to a close? wonder if anything will change after a few months of sober second thoughts leading up to when the offseason ramps up around the draft/free agency period

          • SensChirp

            It’s possible and we know that has happened before with Spezza.

            Just think this time is different especially with Spezza entering the last year of his deal.

          • spezzerman

            if the return is only mid level prospects or draft picks, I’d rather keep him…

          • SensChirp

            Tricky to do if he doesn’t want to be here.

          • whammer44

            Been down that road before and I’m sure BM still has nightmares about how Heatley screwed this team. Difference is Spezza is a professional and I can’t see him pulling a Heatley.

            No doubt BM will actively try to move Spezza but if he doesn’t get value in return I can also see him holding onto Spezza. Can’t see BM facing the media/fans with a press conference announcing a trade with Sergey Andronov and Ryan Tesink coming back.

            Lets face it, its Jason’s best interest to have a career year either way.

          • Jakester

            MaCLean won’t want him starting the season in Ottawa. That’s what I think.

          • Tooks

            Well he doesnt have a choice IF Murray doesnt find a deal he likes…He is under a Sens contract for 1 more year.

          • spezzerman

            hes under contract so its easy, actually. You just have to not care about getting “nothing” in return after next year, which for me, a couple gamble prospects and a draft pick back would be basically nothing.

            I dont think that is all they would get for him personally but if it is, the 80 points and a playoff spot he would help bring next year would be a bigger contribution than an Iginla-esque return would ever bring.

          • Jakester

            Pittsburgh gave up squat for Iginla.

          • Jakester

            I think he’ll be traded even if it’s for less than what we would want. However, I think , the Sens will come close to getting what they want.

          • Tooks

            So the people in the know, do they have names on the possible return for Spezza?

          • SensChirp

            No but I think people are aiming a little high.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Any idea of Murray was offered anything for Spezza at the deadline? Or were teams just calling to say they were interested and Murray told them to wait until the offseason?

          • boom

            I think you’re right, and I bet the main player we get will be someone who none of have mentioned.

            What I’m wondering is will Spezza be just one piece of a package that will be leaving, to address a speciic need.

            It seems that the Sens have good depth at F and D, but are lacking in top 6 and top 4 players, respectively.

            Perhaps Spezza will be packaged with some of our depth for 1 top 6 forwward or 1 top 4 defenceman.

  • Zelle

    With the Blues out and potentially the Jackets tonight that takes the two teams I was cheering for out of the running… so, in essence, I can’t wait for the playoffs/offseason to be over so we can just settle this whole Spezza trade, Hemsky/Ryan signing, and Lazar plans already!!

    • sprucesens

      already can’t wait for the offseason to get underway, but I’m still holding out hope for the avs. I was cheering for blues, jackets and avs this year. Now its just the avs, and any team that plays montreal

  • aegiszx

    Spezza to STL for Elliot.

    Elliot / Lehner

    Andy to FLA for Barkov.

    Mac – Turris – Ryan
    Hoffman – Barkov – Zibby

    YAY OR NAY??

    • Dirk-Diggler

      lol… 1. We are not getting Barkov… he’s not available for trade and not for Andy. 2. I’d hope we get a lot more than Elliot back for Spezza

    • Zelle

      Nay for Elliot. I’m a fan of trading Andy because I’d like them to either 50/50 with Lehner or have him the starter.

    • sbs138

      why would Florida want another #1 goalie? they got Luongo, who will be their starter for a few years. They’re going to want to one goalie who can learn in the minors.

    • Doc

      I’d like to know your reasoning behind the Spezza for Elliot trade.

    • CohMa

      Why would we trade Spezza for a back-up goalie? If it was a trade with St. Louis, I would hope at least one of Berglund, Oshie, Swartz, Shattenkirk or Pietroangelo, was coming our way. I know the two last ones would be very unlikely.

    • Tooks

      Would rather have Nishushkin(sp?)

    • Sandy

      How about an impossible trade… or what we, in the business I was in.. called blue skying..
      This is provided Ryan Miller walks..
      Spezza, Anderson to St Louis for Jake Allen, Schwartz and a draft pick..

      • Richard Gough

        I like that deal a lot and it makes some what makes since
        Good call Sandy

    • Mclovin

      A backup goalie who’s a UFA….

  • WolfInSheepsClothes

    Since we’re proposing crazy trades!!!

    OTT: Spezza+Lazar+1st
    WSH: Backstrom

    Result: WSH gets a “now” elite centre + a future potential centre and a needed “roster shake-up”. OTT gets a “now” younger, elite centre. OTT: +$2mill

    OTT: Greening+Cowen+2nd
    BUF: Stewart+Ehrhoff

    Result: BUF gets young, tough “core” pieces and players Tim Murray likes. OTT gets “harder winger”, top 4 dman. OTT: +$2.5mill

    ???? – Backstrom – Ryan
    MacArthur – Turris – Stewart
    Hoffman – Zibanejad – Stone
    Smith – Pageau – Neil
    Condra

    Ehrhoff-Karlsson
    Methot-Weircioch
    Phillips-Ceci
    Borowiecki

    Lehner
    Andy

    • sprucesens

      2nd trade for sure 10 times out of 10. But is lopsided to Ottawa’s favour 1st trade is an AWFUL deal for the sens. Spezza and a 1st is about as far as I would go in that trade. I think there are better trades out there than that. But anyways, to each his own

      • Jakester

        Bad for Washington Spezza and Ovechkin on the same team. Wow lots of goals against there.

        • sprucesens

          haha, true I guess. but tons of goals for. 2 of the 5 ppg players in the last 8 years on the same team? just created another pitts setup…

    • Zelle

      My crazy trade is Spezza for Backes!

    • aegiszx

      Backstrom + Karlsson would be SOOOOO sick!!!

      • FistsofNeil25

        Backstrom would be awesome but not at that price!

    • Jakester

      Just don’t like giving Lazar, type of guy down the road you win with.

    • Sandy

      NO to trading Lazar for anyone… and no to trading the Sens 1st round pick in 2015.. Could be top 10.. if there isn’t a good return for Spezza…

  • Mclovin

    Is Berglund, Rattie and 2014 1st too much? I think that’s the type of return we can expect.

    In terms of trade targets I’d aim for Edler although can’t imagine Euge would like that salary.

    • Jakester

      I like that deal.

    • Millennium

      Keep in mind Berglund is an RFA this summer, and probably looking for a bridge since he’s in his last year before UFA. That would have to be a consideration for a deal involving him.

    • Mclovin

      Couple swedes might make EK a bit happier after losing Silf/Alfie

      • Brutus5247

        I really hope that this never comes into the mindset when looking for players. This is no different than Montreal saying we need to get another black guy to play with PK. Can’t see it happening.

        • Zelle

          Agree with the sentiment but disagree with the analogy

        • Mclovin

          So having all the swedes in Detroit had nothing to do with Alfie going there?

    • sprucesens

      I don’t think its out of the ball park, but if Berglund doesn’t sign at a decent price right away for at least 2-3 years, all of a sudden the deal looks fairly weak.

  • Pasky

    I like the approach of the Rick Nash trade to the Rangers… Package Spezza with Prince or Weircioch and maybe a 3rd pick and get a top 6 forward and a top 4 D, a 1st depending on the players coming back. They still talk about a Q4Q trade so why not 2 birds with 1 stone.

    • Jakester

      Exactly, could see that.

  • Nikola Todorić

    To those arguing that Spezza won’t be traded…
    Nobody has more say than Melnyk and he has already decided…
    Good-bye Jason Spezza.

    There are 20 teams we can trade him to… with 4-5 showing interest.
    It will be a Matt Moulson Moulson for Vanek type trade that will pretty much be fair 50/50, and be just good enough.

    • sprucesens

      I don’t think anyone is arguing that he won’t be traded. Just those that don’t WANT to see him traded. I only think he doesn’t get traded if teams just try to fleece murray. Then he’ll wait till the deadline when teams are desperate. Not as easy to make deals then though, with 7 mill cap hit.

      • Sandy

        But at the deadline.. it won’t be a 7M cap hit.. only a portion of that..

  • Brutus5247

    I think most people have no problem with SP19′s offensive game. It’s just the lack of effort on the defensive side of the puck. One player shouldn’t be the cause of goal but it’s like giving the other team a free PP when he was on the ice. Not sure if it was a physical issue, motivation. or lack of DEFENSIVE hockey IQ.

    • Sandy

      He has never been a defensive player.. He was trying to change that part of his game.. but it’s just not him.

      We have known this from day one… It’s what you live with…

      • Brutus5247

        Then, as the TSN announcers said, you can’t win with one way players when talking about Ovi. Then I guess we need to get used to losing. I think most knowledgable hockey people agree with them. When your goal differential is on the serious negative side you are counting on secondary and tertiary scoring to win games.
        I think McLean made it very clear that he wants two way players and there was a serious rift between these two. Can’t see McLean changing his views or his expections.

        • Zelle

          I’ve been hearing the whole 200ft player thing as a resounding theme during these playoffs.

          • Brutus5247

            Teams look to exploit a weakness. Strategy in any sport.

  • Moudy Mahfouz

    Quick comment: I was at some EDM event on friday (Pulse). And i ran into Marc Methot. I asked for a picture and he replied “Not too sound like a dick but I cant in this state of mind, or else I would get cut frm Team Canada” I laughed and said no problem because he was looking very drunk. Then at the end of the event, he ran and took the quickest cab possible. I am sure he did not wanna be seen by any other fans.

    • Moudy Mahfouz

      Very nice guy overall and said hope he catches me sometime at the OAC(the gym he works out at)

      • A-Train

        Appreciate the anecdote, but did you consider you’re not exactly helping his cause by putting this info out there??

        • aegiszx

          Yeah, I remember catching Karl at the market late one night, dude was HAMMERED (this was 2 years ago), and I was going to take a pic but my wife just nagged me “dont do that etc leave the guy alone”.

          Good thing about living in a small hockey market is you have the opportunity to actually run into your teams players lol

          • A-Train

            I can’t imagine what it would be like to be a star hockey player in a city like Ottawa. Can’t go anywhere or do anything without causing a scandal. It was one thing before every single person was walking around with a high-quality camera and mobile internet access….but now?

          • Zelle

            But at the same time they want the fame that comes with playing in a Canadian market. Lundqvist was saying how walking in NY hardly anyone every recognizes him.

          • aegiszx

            Also, in NY, theres a ton of other teams that play in the greater ny metropolis, and a lot more recognizable stars.

          • peetypuck

            I don’t think it has much to do with the size of the city in Canada. It’s just that almost somebody in every family here watches hockey and/or the sports channels. Even the new Canadians from Asia, etc. You just can’t get away from seeing the stars’ faces plastered all over the TV 12 months of the year. I know this Sikh family and their son was crazy about hockey since he was just a tot. He was playing organized hockey at 6 or 7 and he knew almost every NHL hockey player.

    • FistsofNeil25

      Everybody knows Methot parties an excessive amount. He’s young rich and famous. Just livin’ the life and ya can’t blame him. He spends more times wheelin’ at bars than he does on the ice!

  • jtf927

    i could see a trade with st. louis. cbc had an interesting article on the blues-hawks series, saying that the blue’s biggest shortcoming was the score by committee, whereas chicago had many more big name game changers. they also talked about how the blues fizzled on the power-play. spezza could definitely provide them help offensively and on special teams. if we could get either shattenkirk or pietrangelo to play with ek65 and a gritty forward like steve ott, that would be a good trade. the sens are well stocked with young fast forwards and good d-men.

    • Sandy

      Isn’t Steve Ott a UFA? No way.. it’s just a waste..
      Spezza may be traded to a team we don’t even think about would be a destination..
      Off topic… up yours Penguins. Go Jackets…

      • peetypuck

        This may sound crazy but after the trading screw-ups by the Islanders GM Garth Snow this past year I wonder how much longer before John Tavares asks to be traded. He has four more years on his contract and then he becomes a UFA. If Murray was to offer him Spezza, Zibby and Cowen, two centres and a huge d-man would Snow bite?

        • Brutus5247

          Really depends on their overall contracts situation. I’m just not confident that Ottawa is a real desirable destination for a lot of players unless they see winning in the NEAR future.

          • peetypuck

            You think that playing with Tavares, Ryan, Turris and EK65 would not be desirable? They’re all game changers and capable of breaking a game wide open. I also think Tavares would be the leader the team is looking for.

          • Senatollah

            without thinking you make any deal for Tavares. With what the team has in quantity of non-NHL players you can fill any gaps with complimentary players. Tavares best buddy is UFA (if he doesnt love his time in Minny, and the higher pay playing for USA based teams) would be a great pick up. Nice way to replace the Spezza-Michalek plus spare part line.

          • peetypuck

            Hemsky would probably sign with the Islanders too just to play with Spezza.

          • peetypuck

            In effect that would be Spezza, Zibby, Hemsky and Cowen for Tavares. That’s gotta be a win for Snow and a win for the Sens.

          • jtf927

            as much as i would hate to lose zbad, i would love the thought of having mcarthur, turris, ryan, and tavares. that would be sick. i wonder of pitts would give up niskanen, maatta, and neal for spezza, hemsky, and cowen?

          • peetypuck

            I don’t see Piits trading for another top centre. They already have Crosby, Malkin and Sutter. You can’t get much better than that. I hear that Niskanen could become a free agent on July 1st.

          • jtf927

            niskanen would be a good dman. the pens have some good young dmen in maatta or niskanen. would be great if we could acquire one through trade or signing.

          • peetypuck

            I gotta agree. Niskanen would probably make a good partner for EK.

          • jtf927

            that would be a sweet top pairing.

          • Jakester

            Hard to disagree and I love Zibby.

        • jtf927

          i would trade spezza and cowen. but i would not trade zbad. zbad is going to be a great two-way centre in the game. spezza, cowen, and a draft pick? maybe even greening or condra.

          • peetypuck

            As Sandy said somewhere on this thread, you gotta give something to get something. Greening and Condra aren’t something. Even Snow is going to laugh at an offer like that.

      • jtf927

        lol. yeah…i am totally cheering for the jackets too. spezza could go to a team that we don’t even think about. i am just thinking in terms of what murray would want. it sounds like he wants a gritty forward and a top dman. i am not sure what pitts would give up. maybe brandon sutter and niskanen or maatta?

    • The Apostle

      One sticking point for trading with the blues is that a lot of their guys have NTCs – i think their only top 4 D that doesn’t is Shattenkirk.

  • Deadly

    One thing I have noticed.In the past we were often offering Stone in many potential trades. It seems we all agree we want him to be a Sens staple going forward.

    • jtf927

      stone and hoffman, no way either of those two should be traded. they will be awesome players for us.

      • Senatollah

        really think they will be awesome for us? when i think awesome i think min 50 point players. Stone might have a chance at that, not sure Hoffman breaks 30 points in a full season in the NHL.

        • jtf927

          i don’t think they will have fifty points each. maybe 30 each? but what i liked most about their games is that they were both fast and gritty. that’s the kind of team identity we need going forward.

    • Shibal

      We were doing the same with Puempel as well up until this year.

    • sprucesens

      i think it was to maximize value. stone was dominating after being a late round pick. Turning that into something that was guaranteed was a wise idea. Still could turn out to be a bust, but looks good so far. Bottom line is 1 or 2 of our higher forward prospects won’t ever have room on the team. Hoffman, stone, da costa, prince, puempel, lazar won’t likely be on the sens. We know prince wants out, and da costa may or may not sign with us, depending on if we give him 3C given a spezza trade. I imagine lazar and puempel are in the plans. But for now, stone and hoffman have earned their shot, and unless traded, will be given the chance this coming year to prove they belong on the team. If not, we have more coming with the other guys.

  • Deadly

    Nick still takes bad penalties.

  • A-Train

    It will be interesting to see if the same people who run Spezza down constantly will also be complaining about the return the Senators get for him.

    • Jakester

      You mean Murray and Mac, no they’ll be happy with whatever, so will I.

  • aegiszx

    I had Pens in 5, Kings in 7, and Avs in 6…

    Anyone think the Pens/Sharks/Avs will close it out tonight?

    • Moudy Mahfouz

      Pens and Sharks will Avs will win in game 7

    • Zelle

      Pens will. I think Sharks and Kings will go to G7. Not sure about Avs, I had them in 5, didn’t think the Wild had much to them, but then they kind of started to injure Avs players…

    • Sandy

      I hate the Penguins. The Jackets should just be shooting from everywhere because Fleury sucks…
      Kings & SJ — who really cares.
      Avs over Wild as I don’t like the Wild..

    • Aaron 2.0

      Hoping not the sharks. They’re the only series I’m behind on in the bracket. Still finding it hard to watch hockey with the Sens out. I think I’ve only watched one period this playoffs. On the positive, I’m getting way more work done this spring …

    • Jakester

      Sharks won’t

  • Zelle

    Ugh hat trick for Malkin tonight.

  • IBelieve

    I thought I would get the fans already thinking about the 2014 – 2015 Ottawa season. Check out my latest video :) GO SENS GO! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVn6RseSAgs&list=HL1398732683&feature=mh_lolz

  • Zelle

    Anyone else notice how many Sens are qualifying for Play of the Year on TSN? Only one Coyote and one Jet so far in terms of non playoff teams but four Senators.

  • Zelle

    They really need to start calling Kunitz for diving lol that penalty call was just embarrassing.

  • SENSible Voice

    Lots of talk about trading Spezza but the ideal situation would be to
    extend him and re-sign Hemsky and Michalek. This would leave our top 6
    intact and allow us to focus on improving our back-end perhaps with via
    UFA or trade. We could try to rid ourselves of Greening and Condra
    (Kassian being gone already). Those spots could be filled by Hoffman and
    Stone and some other youngster.

    Now that’s the ideal situation
    but not the likely scenario. Reality is, we will likely lose the
    totality of our #2 line. The only way we can minimize the impact of such
    a huge loss is with the return from the Spezza trade. It would have
    been nice to have been able to seek a top D for Spezza and just fill his
    spot with Zibby, but we now find ourselves having to put together a
    complete line. No way you can have your #2 line comprised of two
    youngsters in Zibby and Stone so more than likely we will see Stone
    stick with Turris and MacArthur and see Ryan play with Zibby. The Spezza
    trade will have to include a top 6 winger to fill that hole on the #2
    line.

    So the question is, can Spezza return us a #2 winger AND a
    top 4 D? If Murray can pull it off, then we just might survive the great
    exodus of 2014. If not, the Sens’s future looks bleak because a losing
    team is not a very attractive sale when trying to re-sign MacArthur and
    Ryan.

    • Jakester

      Oh yeah and not make the playoffs again, lovely! Spezza will be traded cuz it will be good for him and especially The Sens!

    • sprucesens

      yeah, i think the ship has sailed on that 2nd line. With no spezza, no hemsky. No point in keeping michalek as he’ll want over 4 mill which just isn’t smart spending at this point, with his regression. Likely get a top 6 and a prospect, maybe with a pick if we send a Dman back too. Then we try to sign a good UFA to fill the extra spot.

      MacA-Turris-Ryan
      Trade-Zib-UFA
      Hoffman-Dacosta-Stone
      Condra-smith-neil

      Depening on the return and signing, that could be a really good lineup, or one setup to fail. Greening could be in the spot of condra as well. Either way, unless murray is a genius and gets a top6 and a top4, we are likely rolling with similar D next year, unless he has something lined up with timmy.

      • Conor_smythe

        ouch… thats looks painfully worse than the team we iced THIS season

      • Senatollah

        Is ZBAD going to be a centre on this team going forward or not. Does moving him to the wing and having Lazar as the centre help?
        that third line doesnt look too good either. yikes

      • SENSible Voice

        That’s definitely a line-up set up to fail miserably.

        I mentioned Stone on the Turris line only because they did skate together after the Ryan injury and they still clicked pretty good. The loss of several veteran assets cannot be replaced by a rookie line (or close to). You therefore, have to get Ryan on the 2nd line with Zibby and acquire a key winger to compliment that new line.

        Spezza could have fetched us a very nice top 4, if not top 2 D by himself but now that we will lose so many key pieces, we must go for quantity instead of quality. That means two good players but with limited upsides. That most likely means a 2nd line winger and a 2nd pairing D… one would hope.

  • Jordan

    Wonder if spezza would go to florida? Maybe grab bjugstad and campbell some how.

    Although trades in the same division are pretty rare. I think florida’s got alot of players that could help us out.

    • jtf927

      that would be a sweet trade actually. campbell-karlsson first pairing. where would we stick bjugstad? put zbad on his wing?

      • SENSible Voice

        That would be a horrible pairing actually. Both are small offensively gifted dmen but terrible at defending. You don’t pair those. What we need is a another Methot-style Dman.

    • The Apostle

      Spezza and Weircioch to Anaheim for Bonino and Fowler or Lindholm

      • jtf927

        not a bad trade. what about spezza and cowen to pitts for niskanen, maatta, and sutter?

        • The Apostle

          why would Pittsburgh want or need Spezza?

          Koivu is likely to retire – Cogliano could move to centre the 3rd line and Spezza take 2nd line duties behind Getzlaf. Getting Fowler or Lindholm makes Wiercioch superfluous.

          If the Ducks don’t want to move Bonino ask about Cogliano instead (who we know Murray likes). Both Bonino and Cogliano are signed to friendly contracts.

          • jtf927

            what you are saying is valid. pitts doesnt need spezza, their d is a bit attractive, which is why i was wondering if they might try and swing a deal. i think spezza would be an upgrade over sutter. the anaheim trade would make more sense, as they definitely more scoring depth behind getz and perry.

      • runningbear1974

        Instead of saying Spezza and Wiercioch, can we start saying Spezza and Cowen? Cowen is sort of a 10 year project… That’s a long time…

  • Zelle

    Is anyone else watching the Jackets game right now? Because holy shit.

    • aegiszx

      Wow….

    • jtf927

      lol. i was just gonna post. foligno is sick. wish we still had him.

      • Zelle

        Yeah great tip in, great screen by Dub on the second goal too. Man they are just making the Pens sit still in agony right now it’s incredible.

      • Sandy

        I think they may have given up on him too early in his career. He’s someone they could use in their lineup right now..

        • sprucesens

          yeah, he was a good player, but imagine not having methot, how terrible our D would look…

    • Sandy

      Yes… they have to keep pressuring. They are in Fleury’s head…

      • jtf927

        absolutely.

    • Cicero

      Not one single fan has left. Every single fan is standing. Amazing!

  • Zelle

    AWE damn. They definitely gave them a well deserved scare. Really thought they were going to come back.

    • Tooks

      Was there any doubt tho, PIT was winning this in 5 if not for Fleury’s gaffe. Byslma went to his big line later than usual and it paid off in 2 games. He should have started the series with Sid and Malkin together. It completely neutralized CBJ’s advantage of shutting down 1 of em. I could see why Bylsma would be on the hot seat.

  • Sandy

    F’n Penguins.
    I guess we now have to look forward to them getting creamed by the Rangers or Philly.

    • sprucesens

      sadly, they won’t get creamed by either of those 2. we’ll be looking at boston pitts in the finals again….yay. almost like we didn’t even need to watch at all this season. Its not like its going to be montreal philly for the east. What a disapointment that would be

      • Hax

        Disagree. I think either team can beat Fleury, er, Pitt. The Flyers especially if they get a bit healthy (Mason).

        I would love to see another Pitt/Phil series – could be a bloodbath.

  • FistsofNeil25

    So much respect for Columbus. They’re one of my new favorite teams. Love the way they play the game. Hopefully Pittsburgh gets crushed next round. Can’t stand them!

    There are three evils in the NHL. Toronto, Montreal, and Pittsburgh

    • jtf927

      lol! i agree with the three evils dude! well said.

  • Cicero

    Avs down 0-2 and up against a 5-on-3 PK, score a SHG breakaway to get within one. God I love playoff hockey lolol

  • The Apostle

    the playoffs have been fair enough but the best thing so far is my realisation that the kings announcer speaks just like Duffman

    • 010101011111101010101010101010

      OH YAAAAAAA

  • jimmyjohnson

    Let’s be realistic with our proposals Sens fans. I’ve seen Columbus, I’ve seen Florida, I’ve seen Edmonton, I’ve seen Phoenix… Maybe he didn’t veto one or two of those teams, but there’s a list of at least 10 teams that he probably had on his NTC list that we might as well not waste fantasy efforts on.

    I’m going to try to list the teams in 3 groups (IMO obviously): Group 1 will be teams he definitely wouldn’t veto; group 2 will be teams that probably won’t be on the veto list but might be for specific reason; and group 3 will be teams that are almost certainly on the veto list.

    Group 1
    LAK, SJS, ANA, STL, CHI, NYR, PIT, TOR, OTT (can’t veto a trade to a team you’re already on ;))

    I don’t think there’s any realistic possibility that any of those teams are on his list.

    Group 2
    BOS, DET, COL, PHI, TBL, MIN, VAN, WAS, DAL, MTL

    A couple on that list are iffy – like maybe he wouldn’t play for Montreal based on the fact that he’s a Leaf kid and played for us, or maybe he doesn’t want to live in one of those cities, but I think it’s pretty safe to say that he would prefer all of those teams and locations above the last group.

    Group 3
    BUF, CGY, EDM, FLA, NJD, NYI, WPG, CAR, CBJ, NSH, PHO,

    This is a pretty likely list of destinations that he would have on that list. There’s nothing Tim Murray could say to get him to waive for Buffalo lol. Same goes for NJD and WPG and NSH, and CAR. I would say those 5 (BUF, NJD, CAR, WPG, NSH, CAR) are definitely on his list.

    The others have some doubt, but really only one of those teams in group is likely not on his list of destinations he won’t go to… Maybe the Oilers/Islanders youth and legacy is enough for him to deal with the winters there. Maybe he likes warm climates enough to waive for FLA or PHO. Maybe he really misses Nick Foligno…

    Realistically, though, none of these teams should be bothered with when constructing fantasy trades. He’s probably not interested in waiving his no trade clause so we can get BUF’s 1st rounder in 2015 or for Bjudstad ++ from FLA or Mike Fisher back from NSH (I’m looking at you lady’s and I’m doing one of these 0_o).

    Anyways, that’s my thought on this discussion. Hhaalff at it!

    • aegiszx

      Yep, pretty much what everyone else here has written (myself included). I’d be shocked if he wanted to go to one of: BUF, EDM, FLA, NJD, PHX.

      At this point in his career it’s really hard to speculate on what exactly he wants… Does he want to win the Cup THAT badly? Does he want to move closer to home (Toronto)? Does he want to get that final big pay cheque before his days are winding down as a professional athlete?

      Only he knows, but it will be interesting to say the least…

      • Hax

        Let me just drop one thought: Spezza is apparently leaving over frustration with ownership/management right? And we all assume it’s more owner than manager. What if he’s buds with Tim Murray? Would he consider Buffalo if Timmy can sell him on it?

        Of course, I doubt we’d want to trade him within the division.

        • FistsofNeil25

          How would Spezza fit in to Buffalo’s rebuild? I don’t think there’s anything Tim Murray could say to Spezza that would make him waive his NTC to go there.

          “Hey Jay, we’re building something great here. We’re only about 5 years away from being a playoff team. So what do ya think? Did I mention how beautiful the city of Buffalo is?”

        • spezzerman

          i thought it was coach? not ownership/management?

    • sprucesens

      although your logic probably goes for most players in the league, what if spezza loves playing in canada? That moves 3 teams off your group 3 list. Or maybe he wants the quiet life where no one bothers him off the ice. That moves Phx, nashville, columbus, florida, maybe even new jersey off that list.

      While your list likely makes the most sense, its no more concrete than me randomly listing teams as well. In fact, if he wants out, and it has nothing to do with the sens organization, i would imagine he wants to go somewhere quiet and warm, thus making his top list

      LA, SJ, STL, FLA, NSH, TBL, DAL, ANA, CBJ. PHX. Pretty drastic change to the list based on 1 thing a player may prefer. Also, and i could be wrong, i think the list had to be presented a year or 2 ago? Some teams have moved a lot in the standings in that time, and could change who we think he would veto now, as to who he would have then.

      • sprucesens

        but either way, we won’t know until after a trade, who was or wasn’t on the list, if at all. Murray knows, and has likely contacted all the teams that are on it, letting them know he is available and what the bidding is starting at. likely 4 or 5 teams have interest and the will/assets to get it done, without hurting their core

  • timwrx

    J.O.B. and Danny New returned to full practice yesterday after missing 17 and 22 games respectively.

  • Spoons

    Nashville desperately needs a 1st line center. They also have dome depth on D and can afford to lose Weber for the right price.

    Spezza + Cowen for Weber

    No more Mike Fisher on the 1st line in Nashville.

    • Hax

      I would think Nashville is on Spezza’s list of 10 teams he won’t go to – but you never know I guess. Maybe he’d like to hang out with FisherWood.

      • Tooks

        Yeah probably on the list of no thx!

      • 4thStringGoalie

        Did he even submit his list. If I remember correctly Mike Fisher had the same deal in his contract that he had to provide a list of 10 teams he wouldn’t except a trade to by a certain date and he didn’t provide it so Murray was able to send him to anyone. He asked Fisher where he wanted to go out of respect.

        • SENSible Voice

          I believe the Ottawa Sun reported that he had to submit his list some time ago so the list is already in Murray’s hands.

          • Doc

            Yep, summer 2012.

          • Millennium

            Seems silly that that kind of clause would be a one-time deal. Like if he had a ten year contract, and submitted that list in year two, then got traded in year nine, the balance of power in the league would probably have shifted drastically. I wonder if he can resubmit the listed each year. Would seem reasonable to me.

          • sprucesens

            that would be terrible. NTC’s are bad enough as it is, but changing your cities every year would be really hard on a GM.

      • spezzerman

        why? because of the small market, small budget thing? Nashville, as a city, sounds like an amazing place to live. But I love music and maybe Spezza doesnt.

    • Deadly

      No thanks to Weber.
      It would really disturb the make up of the team IMO.
      We have some great talent signed at some reasonable dollars and to bring in Weber would destroy that salary structure.

      • SENSible Voice

        Who cares about the salary structure? That’s the exact mentality that most of us have been annoyed with. Pay top dollars to get top players. Weber is exactly what we need on defense. There is no other logic to apply here.

        • Deadly

          Like It or not,not every company in an industry can be run the same. That is the reality of business. We are in a situation where salary structure is very important. Unfortunately the ” buyout” deal has made it possible to run NHL teams poorly and not pay a price. I would sooner the league have ” draft picks” as part of the buyout structure.
          Any discussion that includes Weber is fun but he hasn’t exactly turned his current team into a contender.
          The only way we can build our team is through a balanced 4 line , well balanced defence and decent goaltending approach,
          I think the Bruins are a good example of a Weber- less team.

          Running a business that competes against deep pocketed competitors is tricky and needs to be focused on what they do well.
          Drafting ,recruiting and signing forward thinking contracts are important. All these things need to be managed a well as possible.
          Maximize the Alfie ,Karlsson type drafts and minimize the Greening type contracts.

        • runningbear1974

          Who cares about the price? That doesn’t sound sensible to me… It’s all about value…

      • Millennium

        Really? No to Weber, because he doesn’t fit into the ‘salary structure’? So keeping our costs down is more important than winning? Man, Melnyk has done a good job on this fan base.

        Weber is a franchise defence man. The only reason we would never go after him is because our owner is broke, and the trade would probably cost us somewhere in the neighbourhood of Karlsson.

    • Doc

      Poile hangs up laughing.

      • Greening sucks

        Melnyk has a heart attack looking at his contract.

    • FistsofNeil25

      Murray tried to acquire Weber two seasons ago before the deadline but Poile wanted Karlsson included in the package. Obviously Karlsson was a non-starter from Ottawa’s point of view as he went on to win the Norris that year.

      If Nashville were to shop Weber they could do a lot better than Spezza and Cowen. Like a lot…

      • Dirk-Diggler

        Ya I am not sure Weber or Jones are going to be moved ever from NSH.

        But, maybe Josi + Foresberg for Spezza. Weicioch and Pumpel

        • Andrews theory

          Jones no, Weber maybe…not a lot of teams capable of adding that kind of salary though

        • sprucesens

          yup, I posted this a few times. Mine was just josi+forsberg for spezza and wiercioch. Either you read mine and liked it, or great minds think alike! lol. I’d like to try to keep puempel, would maybe throw in prince though if that’s what it took

    • Millennium

      If that deal went through, I’m pretty sure the league would investigate allegations of collusion. That’s how unfair that deal is on Nashville’s end.

  • Dirk-Diggler

    Good news boys… Melnyk is now not the worst owner of a pro sports team in North America! Thank you Sterling for taking the crown!

    • Tooks

      Yay that guy is a wacko!

  • Terry

    Did I miss something while I was in Mexico?? Did Spezza actually ask to be out of Ottawa?

    • PraiseAlfie11

      That’s the implication…murray and em backed walrus but not spezza so much. Chirp thinks the thoughts of parting are mutual.

  • Andrews theory

    Defenseman that I’d like to see added in order of preferance and could potentially be available based on the needs of their club;

    Shea Webber
    Jay Boumeester
    Keith Yandle
    Zach Bogosian

    • FistsofNeil25

      Weber makes 14 million in each of the next two seasons and 12 million in each of the next two after that. Melnyk isn’t going to pay any player 52 million dollars over the next four seasons.

      Yandle is a light version of Karlsson. Offensively gifted, but defensively challenged. He takes just as many risks as Karlsson but he’s nowhere near as good. I personally don’t think Yandle is what we need considering what it would take to acquire him.

      Bogosian is the one guy out of those four you list that suits our needs the most. Solid defenseman who can skate and complete a break-out pass (unlike Phillips, Gryba, Cowen). He’s the youngest of the bunch as well. The only problem with acquiring him is that he’s another right-side defender. Out biggest need is a partner for Karl.

      • Andrews theory

        ya i fully realize Webber is never going to happen.
        I don’t think Yandle is incompetant defensively but i certainly haven’t watched him a whole ton.
        I’m suprised no one seems to have an interest in JBO. guy eats minutes and could easily play a solid two way game with Karlsson. To me, JBO is almost the perfect partner for Karlsson

        • FistsofNeil25

          I have nothing against JBO. I would just prefer to acquire someone younger if we’re going to give up good assets. Like Bogosian for example. He’s 7 years younger than JBO.

  • Cicero

    Speculation about what specific values (which team + which assets) we could get in return for Spezza is beyond my limited knowledge.

    But I do know one thing: the Ottawa Senators are at minimum 3 years from being a serious playoff team. It will take that long to develop a solid 200′ game structure and for the young players to grow fully into it.

    If/when we trade Spezza, we will loose one major key to the only current team strength: offensive production. Whatever we get back won’t replace his production, because we need defence and a solid two-way game to even be competitive with the middle- to low-end teams.

    I have a long wish list of what I’d like to see young roster players work on over the summer, and the biggest wish across the line-up is the combination of skating skills and defensive responsibility.

    Maclean’s post-season comments bother me too. The focus of his self-evaluation was on his demeanor and how he spoke to players. I really think that’s secondary to the glaring problem of the rampant lack of discipline and defensive responsibility — what I understand to be a coaching and leadship problem.

    If/when Spezza is traded, I don’t think anyone should be awarded the C. The C should be a principle, not a person. That principle being the triad of hard work, responsibility, and discipline. Without these, the Senators will remain a farm-team of young talent for elite clubs that focus on the Cup, and nothing else.

    • s3nsfan

      We won’t get back his production, but with an improved defensive game, I mean goals against can only go down after this season, you would Think Karlsson, Methot and Cowen will all have better years. If Turris, MacAthur and Ryan can improve again, along with some younger scorers, it just might be possible to close the gap of his production with the players we do get back.

      • Cicero

        Yeah, that’s where my thinking lies too. A total shift in team focus to defence and discipline will impact offensive production anyways. In my dreams. I imagine the team truly committed to playing wisely in front of Lehner, for 60 minutes, game after game. We have the big Ds, we have speed and firepower to exploit opponents’ mistakes. But our own errors can’t outnumber theirs 2-1 every game.

      • peetypuck

        Melnyk wants to make as much money from the Senators as well as win a Stanley Cup. Brian Murray’s job as GM is 1- increase revenues and profits. 2- put together an exciting, winning team. Trading Spezza diminishes the star attraction of drawing paying fans. It also cuts the team salary below the cap floor. Thirdly, it makes the team a one-line team again which will never take it far in the playoffs. I would expect Bryan Murray to make a big splash this summer in a trade for another star player that addresses keeping us fans interested making the team better and selling more seats. All we can do for now is speculate on whom this player will be but I think it will be a forward.

        • Jakester

          I enjoyed the strike season hockey better than this past season and Spezza wasn’t even there. SO, so much for star attraction. The star attraction of this team will be 65 and the good young players playing hard and not relinquishing an inch to the opposition. Winning hockey is what most Sens fans want.

          • s3nsfan

            Quality hockey and a solid effort will increase ticket sales far and above a poor standing with high star studded lineup.

          • Jakester

            Here here!

          • runningbear1974

            I just want a team I can be proud of… A team that puts up a good effort… It sucks hearing that our guys don’t put any effort… It sucks defending our players… “No, he’s not lazy, he just doesn’t like to skate”…

          • spezzerman

            there will never be a time, or a team, where fans arent complaining. Even when we win a Cup, there will be the discussions around who just tagged along for the ride.

            Generally speaking, the Sens are consistently competitive every year. we are lucky in that regard. Oilers, Flames and Leafs fans would love to be in our shoes.

          • Cicero

            Karlsson’s commitment and work in rehabilitating from his injury should be inspiration for the entire team. This summer will be a chance for all young players to work on areas of their respective games to improve. September and October will be the pudding for the proof.

          • runningbear1974

            Maclean made effort to defend Karlsson, explaining that his injury hurt his ability to skate backwards or to switch from forward to backward skating, which meant he could go forward well, but couldn’t do defense well…
            If Maclean believes in Karlsson, then I too believe in Karlsson… I personally think that Karlsson alone guarantees we’ll be a better team next year…

          • peetypuck

            Before Cooke sliced his Achilles tendon it looked like EK was on his way to becoming the premier player in the NHL. I still think that he will get there, just will take a little longer.

          • peetypuck

            You’re right. For most of this year it looked as though Spezza put no effort into his game. You can’t have your captain playing like that and he wanted the title badly.

          • peetypuck

            Crosby, Malkin, Neal and Kunitz….Toews, Kane, Hossa and Sharp are star-studded line-ups. Are you saying they have a poor standing? Turris, Ryan, Karlsson, Lazar and new star player equal a great winning core in my opinion.

          • s3nsfan

            Are they doing poor in the standings? No they are perenial contenders. Having stars in your lineup but a poor placement in the standing will not buy more tickets than a hard working successful team with few stars,

          • peetypuck

            That’s why they have to move Spezza this summer. He didn’t bother to show up until the last 20 games. We would have been better off without him for the first 50 games. We might even have made the playoffs.

          • runningbear1974

            To be fair to Spezza he had good moments throughout the whole year… The problem is that he’s very inconsistent… But, he had good games in every month this year…

          • peetypuck

            If you watched him in his own zone he didn’t seem to watch anyone and he never tried to chase the puck and get it before the opposition. He gave the puck away most of the time and he never tried to hurry back to his end. I think everybody that played with him had minuses when they did. I wonder how many games we lost because of him.
            This is the first time that I’ve dissed Spezza but that what I think of his game this year. In my opinion, I think he was upset at Melnyk for letting Alfie go and he took it out on the team.

          • peetypuck

            So you think having Stewart on the 1st line, an almost all rookie 2nd line plus Claesson as a top 4 d-man will make them a winning team next year?

          • Jakester

            I said that there is still the return from a Spezza trade and numerous other guys that have to be moved. Stewart can play first,second, third line who gives a flying F.

          • runningbear1974

            Last year’s team was so fun to watch… I loved them so far that I forgot about hating other teams like the leafs… I was happy the leafs were doing well so we could meet them in the playoffs, but this year, I was embarrassed by our team… I spent the whole year defending our players… “No he’s not that lazy”, “No he does do defense”…

    • Jakester

      I don’t know why THE sens can’t bea serious playoff team next year??? Don’t get that.

      Example without knowing what we would reap from a Spezza trade, and us signing Hemsky and trading for Stewart.

      MacArthur-TUrris-Stewart
      Ryan-Zibby-Hemsky
      Hoffman-DaCosta-Stone
      Smith-Grant-Lazar
      Neil

      Methot-Karlsson
      Claessen-Ceci
      Wiorcioch-Gryba
      Wideman-Boro
      Phillips

      Andy-Lehner

      Why wouldn’t this team be a serious playoff team, don’t get the rationale behind that!!!!

      And we still haven’t talked about pieces coming in any Spezza deal, so this team will be VERY competitive!

      • Jakester

        Oops and I forgot Cowen, ok let’s throw him in any Spezza deal to bring back a better return! How’s that!

      • FistsofNeil25

        Sure THAT line-up could be pretty competitive. The reality is though that Hemsky likely isn’t going to re-sign, Neil and Phillips will both be regulars in the line-up. Greening will be next to impossible to get rid of.

        Claesson hasn’t even played an NHL game yet and you’re already anointing him a top 4 defenseman.

        Also don’t love the Stewart addition. There’s too much risk with that guy depending on how much we give up.

        • Jakester

          Stewart was just an example, to draw up a lineup. Sens have an abundance of forwards. This team will be ok.

          • FistsofNeil25

            They’ll be okay long-term, but short term I don’t see them competing in the playoffs unless the holes are filled. I don’t think that short term, those holes can be filled internally. I would be okay with promoting from within with guys like Hoffman, Da Costa, Stone Lazar, Claesson etc, but my expectations for the next couple seasons would be very low.

        • Jakester

          That’s without getting anything back in trades yet, so I imagine in a blockbuster deal we could get a D and a Forward?

        • runningbear1974

          Really too bad our ‘veterans’ make our team worse… Too bad we didn’t have a development coach in the old days… Phillips and Neil could then be considered valuable… As it is, they will continually make dumb decisions…
          Greening is not as bad as people say… He’ll be fine, he doesn’t hurt our team… Not like Phillips, Neil, and Cowen those guys need to be insulated to minimize their negative impact…

          • FistsofNeil25

            How can you say Greening doesn’t hurt this team? He plays almost 14 minutes a night on average. He doesn’t play the powerplay, and he’s not a regular penalty killer, which means almost all of those 14 minutes are at even strength. Do you want Colin Greening playing 14 minutes of even strength hockey for us?

            He has no hands, no shot, no hockey IQ, he’s lost defensively. The guy has size and speed as his assets and he doesn’t even use them to his advantage.

            Greening is pretty much our least effective forward. We can blame the coach for over-using him, but we also aren’t going to play a guy who’s making 2.7 million 8 minutes a night like he should be playing.

            So yes, Greening is every bit as bad as people say. He has had one good season in the NHL riding Spezza’s coattails when he was one of the best players in the game. He’s done nothing since. He’s an average fourth line player who should be playing 8-10 minutes a night and making half as much as he is.

          • spezzerman

            Greening had a bad year but he deserves another shot at showing he can be a solid contributor. He has to at least be given one chance in his new contract to show he earned it.

            he averaged 1:13 on the penalty kill this year which is not
            insignificant. He was about the 6th most of the regular forwards in the
            lineup. Cut back on penalties and that will cut into that 1:13 extra ice
            time and allow his even strength time more effective as ideally he
            should have more energy. PK minutes are the most exhausting I imagine

          • Zelle

            Penalties were probably the biggest reason Sens missed the playoffs. Tough to defend leads when you’re always on the PK. And let’s not even talk about special team performances…

          • runningbear1974

            I think he would do fine on the 4th line with Pageau as his center..
            I think his problem is he has a slow brain, so it takes him a while to see what’s happening and then to decide what he should do… But, if you give him Pageau, and 4th line minutes, he’ll know… Your job is to hit, and move the puck up…
            Again, I think people are exaggerating how bad he is…There are a lot of situations that he saved a game… He does have a big body and he is fast, and he is defensively minded (he changes directions when there’s a turnover)…
            And again, I don’t agree that he’s as bad that people say… He’s no super star and we’re just fine without him, but he’s fine for what his role should be (play 4th line, and move up when there’s injury)

          • FistsofNeil25

            So you’re telling me you think it’s wise for a budget team to pay a fourth line winger 2.7 million per season?

          • runningbear1974

            Part of the reason that Greening and Smith got so much ice time, is that Spezza’s line was not a hard working line, so we needed to get Smith out there to make it a little bit harder for the other team… If our 1st and 2nd lines are hard working lines, then we don’t depend on the 3rd line as much, they could be a skilled line rather than big bodies…

          • FistsofNeil25

            I’m aware of why Greening and Smith got so much ice-time and I’m also aware that the over-use of that line is one of the reasons why we missed the playoffs.

            I don’t care if they are big bodies. I don’t care if they work hard. The fact of the matter is the Greening-Smith-Neil line was one of the least effective trio’s I’ve seen the Sens put together in years. Watching them in the defensive zone was almost comical game in and game out.

          • peetypuck

            The Smith line did not allow nearly as many goals as Spezza/Michalek. Not even close.

          • FistsofNeil25

            I never said they did. If you’re using GSN as your shutdown line, or playing them 14-15 minutes a night, you’re going to have a bad time. And we did. We had a really bad time.

          • peetypuck

            The point is that they did less damage than the Spezza line. It’s that line that got too much playing time. The Spezza line only deserved 4th line minutes until about March.

          • Brutus5247

            You say “over using” a coach who knows the game calls it development. I’ll go with the coach. We’ve got him for 3 years, WTF should he do with him, do the JOB dance? The only way he gets better is by playing! Coach is doing the right thing!

          • FistsofNeil25

            Development? Greening is 28 years old and just had his worst pro season. He’s not developing. Plays die on that guys stick and he has no idea what he’s doing in the defensive zone. Someone please tell me what they think Greening brings to this team. I really want to know.

            Go with the coach all you want but playing a fourth liner like Greening 14 minutes a night is the type of decision that contributes to this team missing the playoffs.

            What should we do with him? Hell if I know. We can’t demote him because Eugene would never pay him 2.7 mill to play in the minors, and no team in their right mind will take him on in a trade at his price tag.

          • Zelle

            He probably played so many regular minutes because everyone else was putting in minutes on the PK which is more exhausting.

      • runningbear1974

        You forgot Puemple…

      • Cicero

        I like that line-up. It will put us in a great position to win the lottery for Connor McDavid. But seriously….

        I think you’re over-projecting value on young players who have yet to prove themselves as regular roster players in the NHL. Many here are. We have exciting young players in development. Putting all of Hoffman, DaCosta, Grant, and Lazar on a 82 game roster is putting all our eggs into a longshot basket. Stone is the only one there that has shown he can be a regular NHL roster player. Also, you left out Pageau, who I’d rather see centring the 3rd line, based on his proven ability.

        Zibby needs a year to develop, and you’re not the only one who wants him as a 2nd line C. Last year was his first full season, and he produced <0.5 PPG and was -15. I think he needs to add some mass. He's a lanky 6'-2'' and plays smaller. He's not shy to get physically involved, but he does have a featherweight fall when big players hit him.

        Unless we acquire a 2nd line C, Smith will probably get the nod, especially if he continues to work on his shot and positioning. He's more defensively responsible than Zibby, who has No. 1 centre potential but is unlikely to be there yet next year.

        Defense: Wiercioch, with work, has earned a chance to be a top 4 D. But he or Cowen might be moved. There's a glut of LHS Ds here and upcoming. Phillips, much to the chagrin of many here, will remain top 4 next year, paired with Ceci. Claesson and Borowiecki are unproven and need more NHL time before committing to them.

        That said, if we roll with a roster similar to yours, I think we're fielding a less-than-NHL calibre team that by chance could overachieve and surprise everyone and make the playoffs. More far likely is that many of the young players would struggle to establish themselves full-time at the NHL-level, and we'd be in the lottery for McDavid.

        Not terribly optimistic, but that's my take on it.

        • FistsofNeil25

          I agree with all of this except Smith getting the nod as the 2C over Zibanejad. Yes he produced < 0.5 ppg in his first 82 game season but barely at 0.48 ppg.

          Meanwhile Smith produced a at 0.27 ppg rate. There is NO WAY Smith gets the nod as the second line center over Zibanejad. If next year is a developmental year, then Zibanejad will be afforded the time to grow as a top six forward on this team, just like Turris did in his first few season here.

          If Smith is used as a top six center next year then we will without a doubt be a draft lottery team.

          • Jakester

            This Cicero thinks guys should be in the AHL till they’re 26, some of our guys are over ripe!

          • runningbear1974

            Not sure what to do with Smith… In my opinion he doesn’t belong in a 4th line duty with 4th line minutes, except if we’re rolling 4 lines… Which we don’t do well…
            I prefer a 4th line with limited/protected minutes led by Pageau…
            So, either give Smith some wingers Hoffman, Stone, Puemple, Lazar… Or, trade him…

          • Zelle

            Smith is good, he just takes bad penalties, which can be taught not to do. He wins faceoffs, creates scoring chances, forechecks and backchecks, and fights. He’s perfect in the third line role, IMO.

        • Shibal

          Not sure what you were watching with Zibanejad, but, he is a very physical hockey player. He ain’t no Forsberg, but like Forsberg I’ve seen Zibanejad counter opponent’s checks with his shoulders while protecting the puck, leading to offensive opportunities. Zibanejad is exactly what you want physically – a player who can check and play hard without taking many penalties.

          Also, not sure why you are disappointed with his point totals – His average ice time only increased by 46 seconds this year. He played about 10 full games with Spezza; where he was quite productive, he played about 2 full games on a line with Turris; where he produced a goal and an assist, finally he played 2 full games with Hemsky; producing 1 goal, however both those games he was extremely dangerous. The rest of the season he was inexplicably in Macleans dog house. When Stone came into the picture Zibanejad even lost his position in the powerplay despite having a canon.

          • Jakester

            There are possession stats that prove that Zibby is among some elite company, don’t know why he. Was playing 10-14 minutes a night. He still scored 16 goals, easily could’ve had 25-30.

          • runningbear1974

            Maclean coached a Detroit style, where the veterans get the bulk of the ice time, problem is, the sens veterans are 1-dimensional players… I don’t think Zibanejad was in the dog house, he just has to wait for Spezza to leave…

          • Jakester

            Than I can’t wait for more Zibby!

          • runningbear1974

            I’m a huge Zibanejad fan… I think he’s ready for 2nd line duties, and I think he’d do ok with 1st line duties (but no point in rushing)… We just need to get him some appropriate linemates… I think Stone and Hoffman would be good, but it would be nice if we could play those 2 guys on the 3rd line with Smith… I also like Pageau on the 4th line… Defensibly responsible, and scoring threat…

        • Jakester

          Smith 2nd line center, who let you out of daycare early. The lineup. I put up is without the return of a trade smart guy!

      • Sandy

        Hemsky isn’t signing in Ottawa… especially if Spezza is gone. He wants to play on a team that will just about be guaranteed a playoff spot.. and that’s not Ottawa.

  • runningbear1974

    A question… How do we want the Zibanejad line to look like… Zibby likes physical contact, which is great… It would be nice to find him some power forwards to be a physically dominant line…

    • Andrews theory

      Zibanejad Stone Stewart?

      course that significantly slows down that line lol

      • runningbear1974

        I really like Stone, he’s a great playmaker… I just haven’t noticed him knocking people over… It would be nice to turn the Zibby line into a physically dominant line..
        Also, what’s going to happen with our 3rd line? We could start the 3rd line with Hoffman Smith Stone, making that a pretty solid 3rd line…
        I have doubts about Stewart… He sounds inconsistent, which is the quality I like least in a player… If we are to believe in the coach then we need to get consistent players so that he can coach them…

        • Andrews theory

          Stewart is inconsistent and i’ve read articles on him from st louis showing that he basically shows up against weeker oponents.
          with that said, if the sens win the games they should have won this year, they make the playoffs…

          • runningbear1974

            There are a lot of different scenarios in which we could have made the playoffs… But, it seems the coach was more concerned with developing a solid team first…
            In my opinion, this team is going nowhere until Cowen becomes dependable, which could take a long time…
            In my opinion, no to stewart, no to inconsistent players, and no to skilled players… Macarthur versus Hemsky… Macarthur all the way…

          • FistsofNeil25

            “No to skilled player”. It’s a good think Chicago didn’t say no to Kane, Hossa, Sharp.

          • A-Train

            I think you need to define what you mean by “skilled players”, otherwise you sound a little insane.

      • FistsofNeil25

        Personally I really liked the way Stone looked with MacArthur and Turris. They were really effective together. You could say they were almost as effective of a line as when Bobby was with mac and Turrie.

        That would leave Ryan with Zibanejad on another line. If we could find a legit top six left winger to play with those two we would have a pretty formidable top six group.

        I think having Stone and Zibanejad with two experienced line-mates each would be very beneficial to both of them. That would leave Hoffman in our bottom six to really tear it up against lower quality competition than he would face if he were in the top 6 as well.

        • Senatollah

          Would prefer the Bobby Ryan at the beginning of the season, pre-injury, over Stone. Stone only looked marginally effective as Bobby if you only saw when Bobby tried to play through his injury. Based on full season expectations, Stone can fill in a game or for a small stretch, but would hate that to be our #1 line to start the year.

          • FistsofNeil25

            It’s more about balancing out the offense than loading up one line with Mac-Turris-Ryan. Putting those three together doesn’t leave us with much of a second line at all.

          • WolfInSheepsClothes

            If we’re off-loading Spezza then I think we build our second line from scratch. Hoffman-Zibanejad-Stone should start out as the 3rd line – I don’t think any of them are ready for season long, top 6 minutes. Keep our top line of Mac-Turris-Ryan together, they were amazing (when all were healthy).

            Perhaps the Spezza trade tries to target a 1b/2 type centre…? Berglund/Oshie? Then Murray can trade for his “harder” winger (Stewart?).

            MacArthur-Turris-Ryan
            ???????-Oshie-Stewart
            Hoffman-Zibanejad-Stone
            Smith-Pageau-Neil

            We should also try to trade for the rights to Niskanen and sign him. PITTS will be hard pressed to keep him as they have numerous contracts coming up and very little cap space. Weircioch showed his defensive game is way better than he was given credit for. Same goes for Ceci – other than some occasional lapses, Ceci was really solid defensively.

            Methot-Karlsson
            Weircioch-Niskanen
            Phillips-Ceci

            Not exactly a “tough” defensive corps, but highly mobile.

          • Senatollah

            Niskanen or Orpik would do.

          • runningbear1974

            I’m surprised there isn’t more talk of Orpik… He’s a UFA and he’s tough, and he’s got poise, and he’s used to playing with a Letang, so would fit nicely with Karlsson…

          • FistsofNeil25

            Old, slow, on the decline. We don’t need another Chris Phillips situation.

          • Senatollah

            would you take him if he signed one year, 3.5-5.5 range to play with Karlsson? Gives time to sort the rest of the D out (who stays who goes)

          • FistsofNeil25

            No I wouldn’t. I would rather see Karlsson with Methot if Orpik is the alternative. I don’t see Orpik as a massive upgrade over Wiercioch, Cowen and Phillips either.

            Orpik is slow and one dimensional, we need more mobility on the back-end and a guy who can play in all or most situations.

            For a budget team, I think committing that kind of money to Orpik would be a huge mistake. He’s not the player he used to be. It would like like when we signed Jason Smith or Luke Richardson. No thank you.

          • sprucesens

            yeah, I think murray will push for oshie if st. Louis comes knocking. Might only get him and a pick though, unless they talk contract with spezza first. If you can make that 3rd line happen, and make the trade for stewart without costing too much, then sign a UFA top 6, we’re looking OK for next year on the forward front. Could also try Hoffman and puempel in the middle 6 LW spots, if no UFA’s sign. Could also see us resigning michalek if no other players accept a contract with us, just because he is the only other vet LW we have that is half decent. He had a terrible year, worst yet, and still scored as much as greening’s best year….

          • peetypuck

            You better sign Michalek to a one year contract because we don’t want to be stuck with him for 3 or 4 more years.

          • runningbear1974

            I hope we don’t re-sign Michalek… He doesn’t stop or change directions quickly, and he doesn’t make great plays with the puck… I would only want him as a 3rd line winger, and I don’t think the price would be right for that… I wish we had better veterans… This team first needs to develop good veterans… Then we can start to have a good team…

          • Cicero

            Bang on. If trade Spezza, we need a 1b/2 C in return. The biggest hole in the boat should be patched first. Our defensive needs will be met by player improvement and more discipline next year and beyond.

          • Zelle

            If Spezza is gone the team is basically saying they’re going with the younger team, and the young team has enough natural centers, I’d rather see a winger come back.

          • runningbear1974

            In my opinion we were successful this year when we had Zibanejad as our 2nd line centre… The problem came when he got stuck playing 3rd line minutes or/and 4th line minutes…

          • peetypuck

            I agree. Keep the Mac-Turris-Ryan line together.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Then who’s our second line? It shouldn’t be about loading up one big line, it should be about getting the most production our of your entire team. Unless we re-sign Michalek or Hemsky (unlikely) or another free agent top-sox forward, that leaves us with Hoffman, Zibby, Stone, Da Costa, or Puempel to fill out the top six, unless we acquire a top six forward in the Spezza trade.

          • peetypuck

            What we need up front is a top 6 left winger. Michalek and Greening just don’t cut it. Besides MacArthur all we really have is Peumpel and he might not be ready for another year. I like Zibby and Stone together on the 2nd line. Zibby should be a 20 goal + scorer next year. He had 16 this year. They just need a good veteran LW to play with them.

          • runningbear1974

            If we could get a Dubinsky type LW for Zibanejad and Stone, that could make a pretty interesting line…

          • Senatollah

            well by your logic we should unload Bobby Ryan at the same time as Spezza. If you think he has to play 2nd line might as well say goodbye now. Pre-injury he was on pace for a great season. Had Spezz played well (had some support) at the same time we could still be attending games right now.

          • FistsofNeil25

            What? How is that my logic? My logic is taking Bobby and putting him with Zibanejad to give us two good offensive lines instead of leaving him with Turris and MacArthur and having one good offensive line. If we have two good offensive lines we don’t have to number them lines 1 and 2, they could play equal minutes and have equal responsibilities.

      • Deadly

        Stone played great with Turris and Mac.Did Stone slow that line down?
        He seems to be an excellent forechecker and very responsible in his own zone.

      • Jakester

        If we sign Hemsky, I like Ryan-Zibby-Hemsky. Would be physical and deadly. Ryan on his offwing likes coming into the zone on that side.

  • aegiszx

    I dont care how good Cowen thinks he is/will be… that he makes more than Methot is just a travesty… I’m sorry but our true top pairing is EK65 / MM3

    • Andrews theory

      dont think you’ll find any arguments on that and rest assured MM will be looking for a significant pay hike.

    • runningbear1974

      Unfortunately Cowen is paid more than what he’s worth… And, that will probably be true for 10 years… It will take him a long time to become solid dependable player… How long did it take Chara to become a useful player? 10 years or something…

      • spezzerman

        Chara was always useful as a Sen and he became a Sen after about 250 NHL games spanning parts of 4 seasons. If you have zero patience and/or unrealistic expectations it will seem like a long time but it really isn’t.

      • Jakester

        Trade Cowen in a package deal with some other dudes we want to liquidate!

  • Sharmarke

    Spezza + Zibenajad + Anderson + 2016 first round for Malkin + Fleury

    • Deadly

      You MUST be a leafs fan to saddle us with Fleury. Guess you are not watching the playoffs.

    • runningbear1974

      no thank you… I don’t want Malkin or Fleury…

      • Deadly

        Comn

    • s3nsfan

      I’m sorry, not a chance, MAF??? That alone kills that deal, and Malkin, all a team has to do is hit him a couple times and he’s off his game. He’s a bodycheck baby, takes a hit, takes his ball and goes home.

    • Pasky

      Nuff said

  • peetypuck

    After reading the comments it seems clear to me that the team has two glaring needs next year; a top 6 left winger and a d-man that can play alongside EK65. We have at least two more prospective top 6 forwards in Puempel and Lazar coming along nicely. That bodes well for the future. Ceci and Claesson also look to have very bright futures ahead of them. Besides that, Murray wants a “hard” forward also.

    • Deadly

      Thinking back to how well Kuba played with EK 65 ,what is the skill set needed to play with him?
      Stay at home combined with responsible forwards that ” hedge that forward press” when he takes off?

      • peetypuck

        He and Kuba both had the best years in their careers three years ago. Kuba’s genius was just to give the puck to EK and let him get it out of the zone.

        • Deadly

          Pre injury EK and decent puck handling veteran who can defend and dish the puck. Not necessarily a high end guy.
          Maybe career years go hand in hand with chemistry .
          You make it sound bad or an excuse to have career years.

          • peetypuck

            Sorry, I never meant to make it sound bad or like an excuse. I was simply agreeing with you.

      • SENSible Voice

        I would say that a mobile defensive-minded partner is what EK needs. When EK coughs up the puck on a rush, you need someone who can react quickly to counter the turnover. A slow physical Dman would not compliment EK’s style very well.

  • Hax

    Karlsson is a much different player than when he played with Kuba. You can’t really use Kuba as an indication of what Karlsson’s ideal partner should be. After a full summer of “breaking scar tissue” and training I think we’ll see much more from Karlsson next year.

    I understand how people don’t give him enough credit in his own end but I think if people look closer at his age and the injury they’ll realize that he has it within him to play a much more complete game. He’s still going to take chances and he should but he’ll continue to learn when to pick his spot better and (when he’s 100%) he’ll be able to cover up his own mistakes even better.

    We could absolutely use another top 4 but it’s not strictly speaking a guy to play with EK65. Methot is fine there and Cowen could work as well. I mean, Kuba’s okay and all but he’s not that special.

    • spezzerman

      I agree. Not sure how Methot is no longer considered a decent partner for Karlsson. The real need is a solid player to anchor the second pairing and let Cowen/Weircioch/Gryba/Ceci or whomever battle over who will be that players partner.

      • Hax

        Yeah for the sake of argument, if we can trade away Wiercioch and Gryba (plus maybe picks/prospects) for a really solid RHS D we could end up with something like this:

        Methot-Karlsson
        Cowen-NewGuy
        Phillips-Ceci
        Borowiecki

        Combos can change of course but those two guys are the most often mentioned as trade bait.

        • whammer44

          I’ll say it again. If the Sens go with both Cowen and Phillips in their top 6 we will be leading the league in giveaways and penalties again next season.

          • spezzerman

            Karlsson had more giveaways than both of them combined but go ahead and keep blaming scapegoats.

            no one person can be blamed for a disappointing season. Cowen has played about 170 NHL games.

    • Aaron 2.0

      I agree w/ you Hax. The hockey world is quick to pick apart Karlsson’s game. When he won the Norris, I thought he was great on both sides of the puck. Sure he takes chances, and will get burned every now and then, but it’s really a game of margins. He contributes so much offensively that it’s okay if he has a few defensive lapses. This year certainly wasn’t a great year for him, defensively. It certainly feels like the issues was mostly about his ankle mobility (due to scar tissue) as well as strength and conditioning. Bottom line, I’m not concerned about EK. What he brings is so unique in that position. I wouldn’t trade him for anyone in the world. And, his defense will rebound with more rehabilitation, IMO.

      Yost had a great article about what he feels the priority should be for this team. He’s been saying all year it’s a top-4 D. Almost no one will disagree w/ that. But, he went one step further. He points out that if you have a generational talent like Karlsson, he’ll make decent defenders look great (e.g. Kuba, and even Methot). But, even these guys at their best are not ideal. If you want to maximize Karl, then we need a legitimate top-2 partner for him. Obviously, not easy to get. But, I think that would have the biggest impact more than any other move, and personally, I’d be willing to pay for it.

      • Brutus5247

        Well that’s good YOU are willing to pay because Eugene isn’t dropping 5 mil for one. Very nice of you!

        • Aaron 2.0

          Lol. You get my point. I’m not actually talking about money though. I mean in terms of a trade. To get a good top 2, it would take significant pieces. When you trade pieces that people like, it’s obviously a public relations exercise. I’d be happy to see significant pieces moved if it meant bringing back a top-2 for #65. That’s what I meant be “willing to pay”.

          • Brutus5247

            I know.

      • Hax

        The only problem there is that you’d have to move Cowen or Methot out to make room for this new guy. Which isn’t impossible of course but would be somewhat bold on Murray’s part.

        Hopefully Murray’s made a few phone calls to playoff exits and will make more in the next few days. Find some GM looking to shake things up and add scoring (Spezza).

        • Aaron 2.0

          Absolutely a big problem – The number of signed D for next year! I’d be happy to keep Methot, Cowen, Ceci, and Weircioch, and a new Top 2. Not sure if that all works out on Left versus Right shooters. I know I’m dreaming, and it would be a huge shake-up. But, just imagine if we had a legit top-2 for Karlsson.

          And, of course Phillips has to be factored in too. He just signed, so he’s not going anywhere.

        • Pasky

          I agree here. MacLean was tutored by Babcock and he likes 3 lefties and 3 righties. I think that’s why Gryba seen so much ice time over Weircioch last year, just because Gryba is right handed and the left side seems to be set, although not the best in the league. With Borowiecki another left handed D and bound to be our #7 next year, I don’t see much of a fit for Weircioch. That’s why I’d love a Spezza trade to St-Louis with Shattenkirk coming back, adding Weircioch and a prospect if needed. He can slot right behind Karlsson, and our defence would look alot more solid next season.

          Methot-Karlsson
          Cowen-Shattenkirk
          Phillips-Ceci
          Borowiecki

      • peetypuck

        I’ve been advocating that we need a top 2 d-man also. There was a lot of opposition that thought we only need a top 4 but if you look at the best teams they usually have two top 2 defencemen.

        • Aaron 2.0

          I think we could get away with just adding a top 4, like Hax said, and the defense would be fine. But, for sure, adding a top 2 would change things drastically on defense. Just imagine if Karlsson had a Seabrook-caliber partner. A man can dream [sigh].

          • peetypuck

            By next fall if Wiercioch has a good summer he could be a top 4 guy. If he puts the work in.

          • PraiseAlfie11

            And if he gets to see regular ice time.

          • peetypuck

            That too. haha

    • A-Train

      I really hope “we need a partner for Karlsson” doesn’t become the next “we need a winger for Spezza.”

      Just give Methot the assignment…let him own it…and move on. Again, lots of overthinking being done by the team lately, and some fans too.

      • Zelle

        I think Karlsson elevates the play of good or decent players while being great himself. They don’t *need* to find a better partner for him, but it would certainly be beneficial to the team if they did. A lot of people were excusing Spezza’s poor early play by having weak wingers. Karl plays great no matter what.

  • Deadly

    If San Jose loses,is there a fit for Spezza?
    Theit power play has been very poor in the series. I have not seen any speculation but another first round loss , especially like this might influence there decisions.

    • Shibal

      I think Spezza is just another Joe Thornton, so I don’t think they will need Spezza. Also they have Logan Couture and Hertl – who is a natural center.

      • peetypuck

        And Pavelski.

        • Deadly

          Sounds like they don’t need him ,but man,if they lose..all bets are off. They will need to make a change.
          With all the above mentioned talent maybe they need to get a new coach.

          • peetypuck

            Centre is probably the least position that they need to fill.

          • Sandy

            But, IF they lose tomorrow. they are losing with the same players they have had for a number of seasons..
            They may want to trade to change the chemistry on the team…

            Question is… who do you get back. I would love Logan Couture.. but he is probably the most untouchable player that SJ has..

      • FistsofNeil25

        They have like 8 natural centers. Thornton, Marleau, Pavelski, Couture, Sheppard, Wingels, Hertl, Kennedy. There’s definitely no fit for Spezza.

  • Senatollah

    Anyone recall the cap/salary allowances in a trade.

    If a team retains half of the salary (which i think they can) do they also retain half of the cap hit. So with Spezza if the team held $2m cash would they also have to count the $3.5m cap space?

    With some teams tight against the cap and the sens needing to hit the cap floor (potentially) could the sens retaining some of spezza’s salary and cap hit in a trade be of additional off-season value. Knowing teams can exceed the following seasons cap during the off-season this could provide them additional flexibility.

    • SENSible Voice

      I believe teams can retain up to 50% of a player’s salary and cap. I am not sure if the two are tied together however, meaning could the Sens only retain 50% of the cap but not any part of his salary? I dunno the answer to that. I am sure the Sens will retain at least part of Spezza’s cap hit which would pretty much negate that issue for most teams interested in him.

      • Sandy

        IF Ottawa has to retain part of Spezza’s salary and cap hit.. which I don’t think in any situation cheapskate Melnyk would do, then the return had better be a good one..

    • Pasky

      The only scenario I see that happening for is if the current deals for Spezza are way under par, but I think there should be enough interest to avoid having to do that. I’m sure Melnyk wouldn’t want to cut Spezza a paycheck next year if he doesn’t have to, but like I said if the deals offered are terrible then they might look at that option.

  • A-Train

    I’m seeing a lot of lineups here with Bobby Ryan on the second line. You want to spread out the offence, I get it. But he needs to be on the first line. No matter what trades or signings happen this offseason he will be the Senators’ best winger going into camp. Don’t overthink it…just put him on the first line and let him do his thing.

    • FistsofNeil25

      Who’s to say that a line featuring Zibanejad, Ryan, and a veteran left winger couldn’t be our first line?

      • Jakester

        Exactly, lines one and two should be playing 20 minutes a night.

      • A-Train

        Zibanejad isn’t ready to be number 1 centre yet. Turris might be. We’ll find out this season.

        • Jakester

          That’s not what we’re saying the top Two lines will get the bulk of the minutes if Ryan is with Zibby it gives us two big lines! Put them as you like. Stone looked fine with Mac and TUrris, plus there are other options.

          • A-Train

            I think he said a line with Zibanejad could be our first line. Anyway…Bobby Ryan, our best winger, should be on our first line.

          • Jakester

            Who cares, with Turris or Zibby he’ll be ok.

          • A-Train

            Another aspect of Ryan is I take him for a guy who could use a little bit of “you’re the man”. Going out on a limb here, but that has to be what Murray is telling him as they start negotiations on an extension.

            Sign him and put him on the first line as a go-to goal scorer.

          • peetypuck

            Remember, Ryan was drafted 2nd after Crosby. In most years he might have gone #1. I think he has something to prove to everyone including Anaheim where he was on the 2nd line. On the 1st line is where he has to play.

          • peetypuck

            I believe A-train is right. Murray will be telling him that he is his #1 guy. That’s exactly what Ryan wants to hear after playing 2nd fiddle to Crosby in the draft and 2nd to Perry on Anaheim.

          • FistsofNeil25

            I can’t think of many draft years where Ryan would have gone first overall. Especially around the time he was drafted. Those were some pretty good talent pools to choose from.

        • FistsofNeil25

          Well that’s why I don’t think we should be labeling lines 1 and 2. The only proven first line players we have are Spezza and Ryan. With Spezza having one foot out the door already that leaves us with Bobby. So I think our goal should be spreading out the talent on the top two lines to have two good lines rather than one top line.

          • sprucesens

            we label it 1 and 2. The coach doesn’t. Whatever line is needed seems to be on the ice. But then, he puts out the wrong lines lots of the time too. But hopefully Murray and Co have a sitdown with maclean and figure this out for next year

        • Jakester

          TUrris MIGHT? He’s played well for 2 years, I’m convinced. Give him more offensive zone face offs when 19 is gone and some PP time(wasn’t getting much), and he’ll easily have 15-20 more points easily.

          • A-Train

            I’m a huge Turris fan. But he struggled to put up points the year Spezza’s injury thrust him into the role. Last season he definitely took another step, but remember Spezza was still in the lineup.

            Criticize Spezza’s shortcomings all you want, but when he is in the lineup it creates favourable matchups for the other centres.

            Personally, I’m excited to see what Turris can do one more year into his career. But I’m realistic too.

          • Jakester

            TUrris played most of the tough minutes last year, and he took a ton of the face offs in his own end because 19 kept getting hemmed in. So give me a break. TUrris will have 80 points next year and will be a plus 35. Not 80 points and minus 35. Very responsible player and with tons of skill. Watch this year. It was thanks to TUrris and Alfie that wemadetheplayoffs two years ago, they carried our team(along with the goalies and our Peskiness).

          • A-Train

            Hope you’re right!

          • peetypuck

            Turris always seems to rise to the occasion. This year he looked confident in himself. He’s going to want to be the #1 centre next season. I hope Jakester is right and he gets 80 points.
            Murray needs to get a top 6 veteran (5 years experience) left winger for Zibbys line this summer. What about Markus Foligno?

          • FistsofNeil25

            80 points and +35 is a bit of a stretch my friend. Turris is my favorite forward on the team but I can’t see him hitting those numbers . He’s going to face the toughest competition he’s ever had to compete against for an entire 82 game season with Spezza gone.

            I’m expecting around 60-70 points and around +25-30. That puts him in the company of other solid two way centers like Krejci, Kopitar, O’Reilly (although he played LW for most of this season), Bergeron etc. That’s pretty good company to keep

          • peetypuck

            Zibby scored 16 goals this year. If the opposition gets too obsessed with stopping the Turris line I could see Zibby and Stone having big breakout years like Turris did last year. Especially if Murray gets a top 6 LW for the 2nd line.

          • Mclovin

            Evander Kane please

          • sprucesens

            I think this time the roles were reversed half way through the season. turris became the clear cut number 1, but teams still had to be weary of spezza on the 2nd or 3rd line, whatever you want to call it. Turris’ line dominated possession and GF/GA all year long regardless who they played against. Spezza’s line did not. Granted, spezza got guys like condra, greening, neil, smith, michalek on his line throughout the year, while turris always had ryan, macA, or stone. But it also turned that way because spezza just couldn’t get going with anyone. I think Turris will be locked in to where he is now. About a 25 goal 60pt player, and that’s exactly what we want. If he gets a few more points, great, if its a few less, o well. If he keeps playing the game the way he did this year, it’ll be the exact mold we want to have in all our players.

      • sprucesens

        also true

    • sprucesens

      true

  • Jakester

    Another thing that kills me, I don’t know how many times in the past 3-4 years we’ve had people say , oh what we need is big body sniper like Chris Stewart. But now cuz a few St.louis f-ing Blues posters are saying negative things about him, well then they must be right??? Maybe we should have listened to the Phoenix posters who said TUrris sucked too! All I know is that whenever Stewart has to come to Ottawa he’s hurt us pretty bad, wasn’t it this past year he sniped two in Ottawa to beat us! Oh but he sucks! Unbelievable, you need a few big bodies to compete with the Bruins and a few speedy guys to play with the rest of the smurfs. I believe that Murray already has a deal in the works for Stewart(he alluded to something at the end of the season, but he couldn’t mention it). Hell, he might even have something significant already in the works for 19.

    • peetypuck

      It wouldn’t surprise me if Murray has been working on a trade or two since the Olympics but because of the salary cap a lot of teams need to wait until after the season ends to move salaries.

      • Jakester

        Exactly, he alluded to something saying he wanted to tell us but couldn’t.

        • Tooks

          LMAO that could be anything…

      • Pasky

        I believe Chirp had mentioned in an earlier post that a Stewart deal fell through because Buffalo couldn’t retain any more salary last year (Miller, OTT & Pominville). Since those 3 contracts are up this year, I fully expect a Stewart deal announced this off-season, where Buffalo retains salary. I imagine often rumoured Prince will be shipped out, hopefully with Greening but I might be dreaming there.

        • Jakester

          Please take greening.

        • peetypuck

          If the cost isn’t too high to get him I have no objection to bringing in Stewart. How about him on the 3rd line with Puempel and Lazar(C)?

          • Pasky

            Personnaly, this is what I’d like to see next season, if we don’t get a forward in the Spezza trade.

            MacArthur-Turris-Stone (Stone held his own when Ryan was out)

            Ryan-Zibanejad-Stewart (Physical line that can score, alludes to what BM was saying during his press conference)

            Hoffman-Pageau-Condra (Speed and posession is the name of the game, good enough to chip in 25 goals between the 3)

            Greening-Smith-Neil (Not bad if minutes are kept at 10 minutes a game)

          • Jakester

            Can we send Condra to the Siberian Hockey league with Greening?

          • wild bill

            Yes

          • Tooks

            No they dont want them!

          • jtf927

            these are actually some pretty sweet lines. not sure if you want to break apart mcarthur-turris-ryan. but the lines are good. anyone can really play with mcarthur and turris. those two are money. regardless, whatever line ryan is on, he needs to play big minutes. the guy is our goal scorer and he is a big body who gets physical.

    • Tooks

      Since when has Chris Stewart become a sniper?!?! lol
      He’s slow, injury prone and lazy.

  • Jakester

    Anxious to see Turris overseas. Tippett might feel lots of regrets behind the bench!

    • Deadly

      When does this tournament start?

      • Sicilian

        I believe it’s May 9th

    • Zelle

      Is CBC streaming it do you know?

  • The Apostle

    Clearly the easiest way to get rid off Melnyk is for one of us to get him to say something incredibly racist on the telephone. Any volunteers?

    Good, fast and strong work from the NBA.

    • FistsofNeil25

      Great move by the NBA, but how do they enforce that 2,5 million dollar fine? and how do you force the guy to sell the team? Should be interesting to see how that plays out.

      • whammer44

        I believe that the fine is the maximum thats in their board of governors constitution. He may be able to appeal but as an owner he has already agreed to abide by their rules

        • BigDaddy

          What he said was wrong but I am sure we have all said things in the privacy of our own home that would get us in a lot of hot water. Being secretly recorded and baited by his girlfriend are tough. Big fine and the sale of the team. Ouch.

          • BigDaddy

            Interesting to hear rumours Magic Johnson might already has an offer in….maybe this isn’t the first time he has acted this way or there is something else going on.

          • The Apostle

            I’ve found it’s a lot harder to be baited into saying racist things when you aren’t a racist.

          • Tooks

            Well there is no doubt he is racist but he was keeping it private and the only way they could get him was to record him having a private convo with his soon to be ex GF. She was probably in collusion with the NBA. The whole thing/process is sad and pathetic.

          • Sandy

            What he said was definitely disgraceful.. It was said in the privacy of his own home. I guess his relationship with his GF might have been ending.. and she wanted a way to get money.
            Lawsuits are probably coming as well.
            Lots of troubles caused by — one bimbo.

          • Tooks

            I agree here, yes he said some pretty bad things but they were kind of forced out of him. This was entrapment, but dont get me wrong, the NBA have wanted to get Sterling for a while now and this was probably planned as we will all find out when the whole mess opens up in a few years.

            Is he racist, probably yeah, but he was keeping it private, within his private life. This GF of his just recorded a private intimate convo, just goes to prove you cant trust anyone anymore.

          • spezzerman

            I would say the trouble was caused by a abhorrent racist who had a long history of being an abhorrent racist.

          • whammer44

            Sure we say things and regret but I’ve been reading some of the accusations and lawsuits that have followed him. He’s a racist and the sooner he disappears the better…and apparently he’s known to tape everything because he was forgetful and he got sued a lot.

            It also doesn’t matter if they make him sell the team. As long as he is the owner…corporate sponsors will leave…players will not play there…fans will stop going. He has no choice but to sell.

            I have no sympathy for him. He’s got a lot of money, I’m sure he and his stash can live happily ever after.

          • WaitingSince92

            Blame the racist, not the girlfriend.

            “We’ve all said things…” Have we all told our girlfriends not to be seen with minorities?

            Your comment smacks of sympathy for a guy who speaks like a plantation owner.

  • SensFanInMTL

    Mid September not quick enough to arrive. Phuck fait chier.

  • jtf927

    http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Travis-Yost/Spezza-in-St-Louis/134/59753

    interesting article by Travis Yost. i do hope a trade can be organized between ottawa and st. louis. shattenkirk + young prospect + pick would great for spezza. i think anaheim would be the second best, although i am not sure if their young dmen are as good as shattenkirk. also, after a first round exit, i think the blues would be more eager to deal.

    • SensChirp

      Yup. Mentioned this in the article above. Could be a fit.

  • runningbear1974

    Hoffman-DaCosta-Stone

    • Deadly

      Trade them for who?

      • runningbear1974

        They could be a fun line…

        • sprucesens

          i can see that as the 3rd line, if they don’t bring up lazar, or aquire a center in the spezza trade.

          • runningbear1974

            We have some options… Smith on the wing… Ryan with Zibanejad… Pageau 4th line… Puemple, Lazar… Hoffman, Stone… There are some interesting possibilities…

          • sprucesens

            i like most of those options. Really just depends on the return for spezza. Also curious to see if we sign a vet UFA forward

          • runningbear1974

            i’d love a dubinsky type to play with Zibanejad… feels like its going to be interesting draft…

          • sprucesens

            could be our biggest draft we don’t have a pick in, going into it.

        • A-Train

          Never been sold on DaCosta. What makes you like him as an Ottawa Senator?

          • bluebuyyoo

            I would take a wild guess that he is a centre not named Spezza :-D

  • Zelle

    Disappointed in Flyers/Rangers series, it’s not very intense.

    • sprucesens

      haven’t watch a single minute of that series. Don’t care who wins or loses even in the slightest. I’ve been more inlclined to watch a terrible feed of the oil kings than watch that series in high def. And that’s not a joke

      • runningbear1974

        Where do you get the terrible feed to the oil kings? I want some of that too please…

        • sprucesens

          lol. i pay for it. hockeystreams.com. 100 bucks for a year subscription. gets you all levels of hockey except khl. This is my first year using it, and its been a tough year. Lots of problems with choppyness and so on. But it seemed to be much improved by years end. Saved me 100′s on not having cable and still getting to watch hockey. I recommend it, but with caution, that its just not as good as TV. Especially if it does go choppy during a big game…not fun

          • runningbear1974

            sweet, thanks :)

          • sprucesens

            yeah, its useable. Has some good perks, like choosing feeds, no regional blackouts, multiple streams and can be used anywhere(vacations and out of country and so on) You need a decent internet speed, and almost as important, amount of Download limit. But there is also a low def stream which doesn’t use as much. But even though it claims 30fps at 780p, it just isn’t. Even prebuffered games at this rate aren’t the same as watching in HD on tv, with the same specs

  • aegiszx

    Have to think the Pens are very nervous about the prospect of facing the Flyers in the next round…

    • MethotToMyMadness

      If I were the Pens, start praying the NYR game 7 playoff win streak extends to 6, keeping a perfect record. But I really do think Philly has a chance to crush those dreams!! I picked Philly as my surprise team to make a long run, so let’s see how that goes.

  • Sandy

    It will not be Sens hockey.. but 3 game 7′s tomorrow night.
    I hope the Flyers win.. A series between hated, hated rivals in Pitts & Philly will be good to watch.
    I want the Avs to win as I don’t like Minny.
    SJ or LA.. who cares who wins there.. they won’t get by Anaheim in the next round…

    • aegiszx

      I think the Rangers make a deep run this year. I would really like to see Henrik lift the Cup… Avs are inexperienced but surprised all this year… however I think Minny wants it more just because they would love the chance to get back at Chicago for embarrassing them in last years opening round.

      I said the same thing with the Blues– who cares? The Ducks arent that good. They havent gotten past the first round since what, 07? They are led by a CUPLESS Boudreau, who is a phenomenal regular season coach but regular playoff dud. SJ won’t get by the Ducks, should they beat the Kings… but if the Kings win, watch out. Kings/Hawks, Western Conference Final AGAIN!

    • whammer44

      Disagree on the Ducks. They turned the puck over way too much against the Stars and were fortunate to win. imo winner of the Sharks and Kings will meet the bruins in the finals.

  • Mitchell

    Which way is this team leaning next season? Trading Spezza for prospect+d-man+1st? Possibility not resigning Hemsky or Michalek? If that’s the case should of been traded to help gain more prospects or picks. But signing Phillips (stupid IMO) getting Ryan and MacArthur.

    Just curious

  • WaitingSince92

    Can’t help but feel Phillips and Neil will hinder us next year. I can handle either one in a 3rd pairing/4th line, limited minutes type of role, I suppose. I think there’s too much stock put into their “veteran leadership”. Neil isn’t getting any faster at 34 years. Phillips, while still able to make good plays against good players, can be downright embarrassing. Watching him try to catch up to younger players, or giveaway the puck under no pressure whatsoever is starting to make me more sad than angry…

    • runningbear1974

      I’m at a point where I laugh when Phillips gives up puck under no pressure… “Did you see that? From a veteran player too?”…
      Too bad our veterans lack veteran type qualities…

      • WaitingSince92

        And watching Phillips try to handle the puck in the offensive zone makes my brain hurt…

        • runningbear1974

          The funny part for me is that I believe Phillips actually got better this year because of the time on the powerplay… I think this has been the best Phillips in years, but he’s still very bad…
          It’s incredible to me a hockey player that doesn’t learn to pass the puck to his teammates… How is that possible?

    • Dirk-Diggler

      What makes me angry is Phillips keep coming back on the ice shift after shift and trying to do the same thing over and over that isn’t working. He realy fucked us by signing the two year deal. It still baffles me that we signed him at the deadline. There really was no reason to agree to the extension.

      • Tooks

        Yep, Phillips is from the old Era, where you didnt need to skate to save your life. BUT he was an ok skater back in his day but now, his footspeed is terribly lacking and he aint learning new things, cant teach and old dog new tricks.

    • MethotToMyMadness

      I don’t see Neil hindering the Sens at all. He’s a leader on and off the ice, never playing over the amount of minutes a guy of his caliber should. Yes he takes a lot of penalties, but usually someone from the other team is also in the box when he goes, so he’s not often the cause of a 5 on 4 situation. When he’s on the ice, teams take notice. He’s not there to fight as much as he was, but he is still a force in the hits departed and he’s a big reason why the Sens still have a small amount of grit left. The best way to look at it, if Neil wasn’t on this team, and was playing against the Sens, you’d be kicking yourself!!

      Now Phillips, that’s another story, for another time.

  • WaitingSince92

    Think we need a new Senschirp poll: if (when) Spezza’s gone, who do you want to see as captain?

    My vote is for three A’s to start the season – MacArthur, Ryan and Karlsson.

    Of course, I can have no idea how things are in the locker room. This is based as a fan/spectator alone. MacA I don’t have to explain. Karlsson, without Spezza especially, will drive (ie lead) our offence most nights and Ryan is a good mix off extreme offensive skill and willingness to take hits to make plays.

    Methot would get some consideration too.

    • whammer44

      As long as Phillips is on the team, they will feel compelled to give it to him. Not saying its the right move but thats what will happen.

      • WaitingSince92

        Agreed!

    • runningbear1974

      I hope we choose a player that represents the identity of the team… Therefore, please no to Phillips… Please… No…
      I don’t know why I’m a complete believer in Turris… His work ethic… He never complains when he gets hit… Comes up big… PK, PP… I see him as the real quiet leader type… Also, I like to say that the players like Spezza, he’s a nice enough guy, but the players love Turris, because he’s super awesome… Turris is that type of player to generate loyalty from his teammates…

    • MethotToMyMadness

      If Spezza is gone, I would say go the same direction many teams are going and give the C to a young up and comer. Turris would get my vote, he’s just such a great teammate and seems to say and do all the right things. On the plus side, he’s signed here for awhile, so no worry about him being dealt or leaving to FA.

    • Hax

      I can’t see them taking the A’s off Neil and Phillips. Not after the Alfie/leadership fiasco and whatever comes of the Spezza situation. My money is on Karlsson getting the C though I’m not sure if that’s the best move just yet.

      To me, it all depends on what’s going on in the room. If “the boys” are all on the same page that’s all that really matters. If Neil and Phillips were to initiate something themselves about starting to pass the torch I’d love to see:

      Karlsson – C
      Turris – A
      Zibanejad – A

      • Millennium

        maybe not Zibby just yet, but the other two should definitely be there, and its a shame the organization will stick with the A’s on plugs like Phillip and Neil.

        • Hax

          You know the letters are about leadership right? And not speed?

      • Tooks

        Wouldnt it be kinda awkward having a Captain that is known to refs as a diver? Would he even carry any weight vs the refs?
        Turris aint any better as he is known around the League to complain the most on faceoffs.
        We dont have much Captain power at the moment, thats why I would go without one, unless the players in the room vote and all agree on one. (probably Phillips…sigh)

        • s3nsfan

          Wow i didnt know you had so much insight into the dressing room to think we have no “captain” power as you so eloquently put it.

          I have seen many a player complain about the faceoffs, that doesn’t diminish your “captain power” (where do you come up with these phrases) to make sure things are being done as they should be.

    • Tooks

      I dont want to see this:
      Phillips – C
      Neil – A
      But its probably as good as done already. The other A I would give to Methot.
      What I would want to see, as a fan, is:
      No Captain, as I dont see one on our roster, so dont force it. But 3 A’s would be fine.
      Sad when we are picking our leadership group and none of em are homegrown…
      Turris – A
      Methot – A
      MacA – A

      • Dirk-Diggler

        Why are we anchoring ourselves even more with Phillips? He’s a useless part of the D. I think your captain should be a guy that can put the team on his back. The choices for me are Karlsson, Turris and Ryan. Out of those I actually like Ryan the best. He has a great personality and he is a guy that I think is dying to be given more of a role. He is finally starting to get appreciated and I think if we gave him the C he’d be a beast.

  • MethotToMyMadness

    I think Da Costa will have a very big opportunity in Ottawa this season, even more so if Spezza is gone at the draft. The Sens have held him pretty close and let him gain valuable experience in Bingo the last few years. They obviously didn’t want to see him sign elsewhere when they inked him last year. I wouldn’t be surprised if during his contract singing, he was told that the opportunity would be his next year, if he performed well in Bingo. And I think it’s safe to say he did that, and more.

    SDC finished 20th overall in the A with 58 points in 56 games, was second in Bingo (only behind Hoffman). And in 2 games in the playoffs so far, he’s in 2nd with 3 points, only behind Stone. Can’t complain about a guy who’s averaging more points per game this year. I really think Ottawa has allowed him to work hard at his game, to match the skills he already had. This will make his transition back into the NHL that much better.

    The more I think about it, the more I can see a transition where Hoffman, SDC and Stone are all part of the Sens next season. It’s just a matter of who is shipped out.

    • whammer44

      You remember he was put on waivers at the beginning of the year when they sent him down and brought Zbad back up? So they were prepared to let him go for nothing. Maybe his value has changed. Pretty sure if he’s the center that replaces Spezza in the lineup we are not better for it.

      • MethotToMyMadness

        I wouldn’t expect SDC to be a replacement for Spezza, that’s silly. Turris would replace Spezza, there is no question. The opportunity will be sitting at the 2nd/3rd spot. We have Zbad, who would probably be started in the 2nd C position, but possibly trading shifts with whomever takes the 3 spot and I think it would go to SDC. Smith will remain at the 4th C and our special teams FO guy, when needed. The only other option would be JPG, and I just haven’t seen enough of him this year to think he’s a step up on Da Costa, and a lot of it will depend on how the Bingo Playoffs go. Maybe I’m wrong, but that’s just how I see it.

        • whammer44

          replacing = Spezza out Da Costa in. You can call whoever you want #1 but what I’m saying if we subtract Spezza and add SDC this is a big step backwards.

          • runningbear1974

            I don’t agree… I’m not a believer in Spezza… He’s had 10 years or so to improve his defensive skills, and it really doesn’t look like he’s trying… I think it’s a move forward to switch Spezza for DaCosta… Can you imagine DaCosta not doing what the coach asks? Nope… But I can imagine Spezza ignoring the coach(es)…

          • whammer44

            Assuming you are serious we will never agree on this.

          • runningbear1974

            Right, we definitely don’t agree if you believe in Spezza… I’m willing to be polite about it…
            To my friends I say “if you believe in Spezza, I bet you I win at chess against you”…
            Spezza has a huge list of weak points, which I don’t feel like getting into today…

          • whammer44

            Sure and if we’re playing chess and you pick Da Costa and I pick Spezza, I win at hockey.

            Anyway discussing the value of SDC vs Spezza is absurd. I, like you, have watched both players and have formed an opinion. You would prefer to have SDC and I wouldn’t.

          • runningbear1974

            Fair enough… 1 good point about Da Costa… The only way he makes it and stays at the NHL is if he tries really hard every single shift… He has to be consistently dependable to make it… So, if he does make the team, he will make the team better…

          • Tooks

            SDC is a smaller version of Spezza, same puck possession style of play and he’s a playmaker/dangler. Its a definite step backwards from Spezza tho as SDC will never be a PPG player in the NHL, not even close. Especially if he plays 3C which would be very bad as he’s not physical at all.

          • MethotToMyMadness

            Taking Spezza out and adding anyone we have available to us, is a step back. Even whoever we manage to get in a trade, is more than likely a step back. We have to focus on the fact that if Spezza is gone, he’s lost and he cannot be replaced offensively. Your point just adds more fuel to the arguments that have been going on here, which is how valuable Spezza REALLY is to this team.

          • whammer44

            He is valuable. To me thats not even a question. And I agree he is likely gone but imo if the Sens don’t get a center back that is a proven NHL player in the off season (trade or FA) and we go with SDC it will be a long season.

          • Brutus5247

            NOT defensively!

    • Tooks

      They signed him to help Bingo out, SDC is a career AHL’er. He’s had his chance to crack the Sens line up and hasnt been able to out perform other guys.

      • runningbear1974

        That’s not accurate… At the beginning of the year he didn’t impress (against the western teams), but on his 2nd call up he played quite well… He’s small, so hard to tell if he can handle a full year at the NHL level, but he’s been working out, and getting better, doing what the coach and personal trainers are asking of him… In my opinion he’s earned a chance to try and crack the lineup again… If we went with how the players were playing at the beginning of the year I don’t think Spezza or Michalek would have cracked the lineup…

        • Dirk-Diggler

          I would love to see SDC on the 3rd line.

          My C’s next year would be
          -Turris
          -Zibanejad
          -SDC
          -Smith

          That’s if Spezza is moved. I’d rather my top 3 C’s can all put the puck in the net and create offence. Smith is a perfect 4th line C. He can bang all he wants and see no more than 12 mins a night.

          • runningbear1974

            I like the top 3 C’s… But, I’m not convinced of Smith as a 4th line guy… I feel he’d only be useful in that role if we rolled 4 lines… I think Smith could be a winger for either DaCosta or Zibanejad, or Pageau on the 4th line… So, Turris, Zibanejad, DaCosta, Pageau… And lets get some extra big wingers for DaCosta and Pageau…

          • Senatollah

            no room for Lazar?? Lazar is expected to make the jump, and compete for the tweener role as 2nd/3rd line center

          • runningbear1974

            I would Lazar and Puemple to make the team next year…

          • FistsofNeil25

            If our centers next year are Turris, Zibanejad, Da Costa, Pageau, you’re looking at a pretty small inexperienced group who will struggle in the faceoff circle and get tossed around by the competition. There isn’t room for both Pageau and Da Costa at center.

        • Tooks

          Slotting SDC in the bottom 6 is a complete waste and not to mention, not his style. The top 2 C’s are taken, top 3C if Spezza remains.
          For SDC to be utilized to his best potential it would have to be in the top 6 and I dont see that happening anytime soon.

          • runningbear1974

            I don’t agree… He would do fine as a 3rd line guy… He’s been working on his defensive game… When he was up last time he wasn’t a liability defensively, he had great work ethic… I don’t agree with your assessment… I even think 3rd line is best for him because he would get more insulated minutes against easier opposition, and he’s got some fancy skills…

          • Tooks

            SDC on the 3rd line would get crushed, last I check he doesnt hit, has very little grit and doesnt provid an energy boost like a 3rd line fast hard hitting forward would.

            SDC is a skilled player, not a 3rd line grinder. He will never get a shot in the top 6 in Ottawa, where his skills are best used.

          • Dirk-Diggler

            he played pretty well last year when called up. I’d give him a 1 way deal at 1.0M next season

          • Tooks

            Whats pretty well? what do you consider pretty well? 10-15pts?

          • Dirk-Diggler

            His last call up before the Olympics he was a beast. It was not only about the points (that he did get), it was him controlling the puck and making smart plays.

            Here is a question for you…

            Would you rather have SDC in the lineup or Colin Greening or Chris Neil?

        • aegiszx

          SDC has had how many opportunities now? At what point do we give up on these guys? I’m all for giving every player a shot, but look how Regin, and Butler turned out. Complete mess. Hero one day, shipped out the next after expectations come back down to earth.

          • runningbear1974

            We could have given up on Hoffman too… Only on his last call up did he look like he fit in… DaCosta would have been called up more often too, but he would have had to clear waivers to go back down… He played really well last time he was up… I’m not sure what you’re expecting… But, he’s progressing… As a small body he needs to get older and thicker before being NHL ready, he has the right mind and attitude…

          • Tooks

            Yeah no kidding, career AHL’er. Too small and not hard enough to play in the bottom 6 and to slow and inconsistent to be in the top 6.

  • Brutus5247

    High draft picks always get the first chance to succeed and fail. Look at Cowen. If the guy is not a high first round pick he’d have riding the bus in Bingo for a good part of this past season. Lazar will get the first chance at the position ahead of SDC. Zibby would have never been sent down if he hadn’t needed an attitude(grow the FK up) adjustment. I like Decosta’s play but being 25 and a bubble centre I don’t see him getting it over Lazar. There are only so many spaces up top and you must take advantage of the chances you get. HAs SDC done enough? The jury is out.

    • peetypuck

      I agree. Murray has as much as said that Lazar will be given every chance to make the team next September. He has taken the Oil Kings to the Western finals. Not much more left for him to do in junior and he won’t turn 20 soon enough to play for Bingo next year.

  • ProfessorPower

    Well I would prefer to trade with LA because they are a team of proven winners, but if we are going to trade with STL i could see something working out.

    Spezza for Shattenkirk + Ty Rattie + the rights to Steve Ott

    Ottawa could possibly add a B prospect or a role player like Condra.

    Next trade Wiercioch + Prince for Chris Stewart at 50% retained.

    Sign Penner for 2-3 mil since Rattie needs another year in the AHL.

    Macarthur-Turris-Stone
    Stewart-Zibanejad-Ryan
    S.Ott-Lazar-Penner

    Greening-Smith-Neil
    Hoffman

    Methot-Karlsson
    Cowen-Shattenkirk
    Boro-Ceco
    Philips

    Thats a Big Mean and Nasty team to play against