What is Milan Michalek Worth?

SensChirp June 17, 2014 641
What is Milan Michalek Worth?

When speaking to the media the other day, Senators General Manager Bryan Murray indicated that Milan Michalek was the only unrestricted free agent they were trying to sign and that they had already had conversations with his agent Allen Walsh.

The question now becomes- how much are they willing to pay?

With Spezza and Hemsky both heading elsewhere, Murray is probably thinking it might not be such a bad idea to try and keep Michalek around. Despite his injury-issues, Michalek is still a decent option in the team’s top six and with some pretty obvious openings at the wing position, keeping Michalek makes some sense.  But not at any cost. Can’t help but think that they may look to offer him something similar to what Ales Hemsky was offered. 3 years/$10 million. Although maybe they’ll try a little less than that.

I find it sort of interesting that the Senators are open to a new contract with Michalek considering they apparently tried to deal him a few times before and during this past season. Although part of that may have had to do with the fact that Michalek was making $6,000,000 in real dollars last season.

Michalek is going to have a decision to make. Does he test the market and try to get a little more dollar and term than he would get here in Ottawa? Phoenix had interest throughout the season. I believe the Islanders kicked tires on him at the Draft last year.

What would you offer Milan Michalek?

Daily Spezza Update

It’s hard to imagine there will be a day between now and the Draft when there isn’t a Spezza update to share. Today, we have a little more information on his no trade list, as it apparently also includes Florida, Columbus, Nashville and the New York Islanders.  Nashville is obviously the disappointing one in that list as they were rumoured to have interest.  Earlier this week, Garrioch suggested that Calgary, Edmonton, Vancouver and Winnipeg were all on there too. That covers eight of the ten teams on Spezza’s no trade list.

Should the Senators sign Milan Michalek?

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  • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

    So Spezza is moving?

    • Doc

      Wait, what?

  • FistsofNeil25

    If Spezza doesn’t want to play in a Canadian market but Toronto isn’t on his no-trade list, it would be a genius move to send his ass to the Leafs, pluck away one or two of their best assets and then watch Spezza walk away from them next summer.

    • Tooks

      You would chance that? To a divisional rival? Kessel and Spezza would rip us apart! lol

      They wouldnt be giving up their best assets, atleast nothing that would hurt them for next year.

      Kadri + +

      • FistsofNeil25

        I don’t care if they would rip us apart we aren’t going to contend any time soon and by the time we are Spezza won’t be very effective. If the Leafs offer the best package then trade him there.

        • Tooks

          If they do, yes, but I dont think they can compete with ANA and STL offers.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Anaheim maybe, but as much as I don’t like him, I think Kadri is a more compelling piece to acquire than anything St Louis will be willing to offer.

          • Tooks

            IF Shattenkirk is made available, that trumps Kadri.
            I would love to get Kadri but Shatty is more important for us.

          • FistsofNeil25

            That’s a big if. Also I don’t know if it’s the right move to acquire Shattenkirk unless one of him, Karl or Ceci is comfortable playing the left side. Obvious short term it would be nice, but Ceci will be a solid top four guy sooner or later.

            While our defense is a mess right now, it may be okay long term. We need to bring in some talent to fill our top six now and for years to come.

          • Samuel Benzaquen

            The issue they’ll have with that is that Bozak is already playing with kessel and apparently there is a bromance going on there. They won’t want to switch lines. Also, just like with Clarkson last year Nonis likes to make the big splash even if it makes no sense for him. He’ll probably give up alot to do that. If we could get Kadri and some other stuff back I’d definitely be willing to do that.

          • Jakester

            I agree. Lets be another team that makes Toronto look foolish. Murray is a ditz if he doesn’t explore this option.

      • Jakester

        Yes Spezza won’t rip us up – plus Kadri will rip up the Laughs. I like it.

    • Jakester

      I agree – go get Kadri and Gardner and their first – I’ll throw in our 2nd to get the deal done. Then trade the eigth overall with Cowen to Edmonton for the third overall. Bingo, Sens are rebuilt!

      • Tooks

        Little problem, you wouldnt get Kadri, Gardiner and the 1st, lol.
        No way we get 2 roster players + 8th overall for Spezza.
        Nice to dream tho!

        • Jakester

          We would have to add for sure – thats why was throwing in our 2nd pick Ninja man. Maybe a Chris Wideman or Gryba thrown in also. It would finalize the rebuild pretty much.

          • Tooks

            Again, why would the Leafs take our garbage for their best assets?

          • FistsofNeil25

            because they are a horribly managed hockey team lol

          • Tooks

            So are we…

          • FistsofNeil25

            They’ve played one playoff round in the last decade. That trumps us easily.

        • dazillion

          For an in-division deal that brings the Leafs their #1C? Yes, that’s perfectly reasonable. Look at what they gave up for Kessel.

    • CaMo

      That would be fairly epic. The leafs are easily Fleeced. Kadri+Gardiner+1st for Spezza. Then flip Kadri right away because I hate his attitude. The thing is Spezza could haunt us all season with Kessel on his wing.

      • Pasky

        Not to mention JVR on the opposite wing… Pizza line V2.0

  • FistsofNeil25

    I wouldn’t pay Michalek a penny more than 3.5M for two seasons. Because of his injury history he shouldn’t be given any more term than that and without Spezza you can probably expect around 30-35 points out of him.

  • Matthew Rutldge-Taylor

    $2.5M per season, max of three years. The Sens have some good wingers coming up, so its not urgent that Michalek be retained.

    • Doc

      Too low.

  • Tooks

    These are sad times when we have to sign bad players cuz we need to make cap floor :(

    • CaMo

      I voted no. If we’re going to overspend on anyone I guess I hope it’s someone new. Although the devil you know ….

    • dazillion

      Problem is that Hemsky isn’t worth anything to us on his own. He was a complimentary piece to Spezza.

  • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

    He is the only Ufa we wanted to resign but yet we bullshitted hemsky… If you didn’t want him should have just walked away and said thanks for your time

    • Jakester

      probably made that offer(Hemsky) to justify a similar offer to Michalek.

  • Richard Gough

    I would package Michalek & Hemsky right with Spezza and see what you could get

    • Jakester

      And throw in some Magic Beans.

    • Doc

      So a pending UFA and rights to another suddenly adds value?

      That’s the equivalent of adding a peach yogurt in a car sale.

      • Zelle

        The car isn’t starting… but this peach yogurt is delicious!

  • sbs138

    I’d offer him more money than Hemsky just because of the time he’s already been here. $4mil, not sure about term. Our top 6 would be even weaker without him.

  • FistsofNeil25

    Rome, Leino and Booth to be bought out. Dale Weise signs 2 year deal with Habs at 1M per season.

    • Doc

      Good deal for Weise. He fits in pretty well.

      Bye-bye White!

      • FistsofNeil25

        Yeah I was really impressed with Weise in the playoffs and 1M per season is a great deal for a 4th liner. Our 4th line costs us almost 6.5M

        • Tooks

          Yeah no kidding, thats where you see the difference between good management and subpar management.

  • Mark

    Give Milan the deal they offered Hemsky. I dunno

  • WolfInSheepsClothes

    What’s the potential of swinging a three-way with Toronto and Calgary…?

    To OTT:
    Hudler
    Backlund
    Wideman

    To TOR:
    Spezza
    2015 2nd

    To CAL:
    Kadri
    Gardner

    Everyone gets what they want. Toronto gets that #1 Centre they’ve been trying to get since Sudin left. Calgary gets a solid 2-way centre in Kadri and good puck-mover in Gardner. Ottawa gets a solid 2-way centre in Backlund, Hudler, and a minutes eating puck mover in Wideman.

    Thoughts?

    • Doc

      So Calgary gets the best package out of it?

    • Tooks

      We get the worst of the deal.
      Zib’s numbers are similar to Backlund and Zib is younger, Hudler is hot garbage and Wideman’s contract is, well….Atrocious.

    • sbs138

      you are overlooking the most important part…Sens won’t want to take on that much salary.

      • Tooks

        Checking now…

        • sbs138

          so…basically, its not going to happen because Murray will still have to sign a few RFA’s and go over budget. I guess we’ll have to wait and see.

    • CaMo

      Leave Calgary out of it. Trade Spezza to the leafs (I know) for Kadri+Gardiner+ 1st (if we can swing it) or 2nd. Then I would flip Kadri right away. Could probably get Hudler+ for him.

      That is if we want to deal with the leafs which I hate the idea of.

      • Jakester

        Exactly just trade him to Toronto

  • John Q. Spartan

    How much is Milan Michalek worth? Answer should be , “not much”.

  • CaMo

    3Mil x 2 years, Milan. Take it or leave it. No further negotiations.

    • peetypuck

      Oh, there you are tough guy. I just read in the yesterday’s Chirp column that you want to smack me. Well here I am. You want to get on the fight card too. Remember, you can’t hide behind your computer.
      Just name the time and place and I WILL be there big man. Here’s your shot at me.

      • TookieIs100PercentRight

        lol. Film it please if it happens. No video = no confirmation.

      • CaMo

        Meet me at the corner of Fuck off and have a dart.

        • peetypuck

          You’re all mouth, biotch.
          Talk to the hand.
          Next time you threaten me I’ll come looking for you.

  • Andrews theory

    So basically any team willing to pay close to fair market value is on the no trade list

    That’s fucking super!

  • Andrews theory

    Take the Dallas package…

    Anaheim and St Louis will screw us

    I could see Dallas having an interest in Greening as well

    • Dirtysweetness

      What Dallas package?

    • Tooks

      What is the Dallas package? They aint even rumoured to be interested?

      • FistsofNeil25

        Yes they are.

        • Tooks

          Source?

          • FistsofNeil25
          • Andrews theory

            You need a better source than me wtf?

          • Tooks

            Not bad but a journalist opinion isnt fact. He also lists a bunch of other players that could fit in. Stars might be interested but I dont think they are one of the 2-3 teams that are serious. They just dont have the pieces to make it work.

          • FistsofNeil25

            I put up another link from the same reporter. trying to find other links. You said that Dallas isn’t rumored to have interest. I can provide with links supporting that there are rumors, but I can’t provide you with anything that proves that it’s a FACT that they are interested.

          • Tooks

            Well usually reporters or beat writers dont make shit up, unless you Bruce “Buffet” Garrioch but that was his opinion on what fits at 2C for Dallas. Even if they are interested, ANA or STL have far better pieces to offer.

          • FistsofNeil25

            I think everyone can conclude that Anaheim has the most and best assets to pursue. I think their primary target is Kesler but if Vancouver asks too much from them because they are a division rival then they will probably circle back to Spezza.

          • FistsofNeil25
      • Doc

        Yes they are.

        • Tooks

          I know some fan made an offer proposal on HF board but havent heard of them being a serious player in the Spezza show.

      • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

        Yes they are.

        • Tooks

          Source?

      • Andrews theory

        Dallas has some great core peices and they are ready to start taking the next step.

        Seguin needs some insulation and Spezza would make a great fit.

        They have some great young talent to make the deal if they want to and they had shown an interest in Greening previously

        • Tooks

          Which great young talent you talking about? Dillon is the only one and I doubt he is available. You can forget about Nichushkin.

          • Andrews theory

            Chiasson, some high end prospects and a reasonably nice first this year

          • Tooks

            Chiasson is a 3rd liner, Faksa, Campbell, Oleksiak, Ritchie are the Stars best prospects, nothing high end there, with Goalie Campbell being the highest.

            STL & ANA, even NSH could give us a much better offer.

  • jimmyjohnson

    If Buffalo isn’t on that list, I would be shocked. Astonished, really!

    Assuming they are, that’s the bottom 5 teams in the West, the bottom 3 teams in the East, plus Columbus. The last team on his list has got to be one of Phoenix, Carolina, or New Jersey. I’d be pretty surprised if he left it open to be traded to Jersey lol

    • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

      If Buffalo is off he probably knows T Murray has no interest in him

      • Andrews theory

        Ya can’t see Tim making a push for Spezza, he’s no fool.

      • jimmyjohnson

        I seriously doubt that he’d leave it open to chance.

        B.Murray would love to get his hands on Buffalo’s first this year and next year. And I seriously doubt that T.Murray ever game Spezza any indication that he wouldn’t want him on his team.

        • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

          Purely speculating on both parts… But having worked together for so long I’m fairly confident Spezza knows if he’d be interested in Buffalo current situation

          I see no way considering where the team is that they move either piece mentioned

  • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

    Spezza and Greening to Dal

    Nichuskin to Ottawa

    • Andrews theory

      Would love to add that piece but I think Chiasson would be the primary bargaining chip

      • Tooks

        Would be nice adding to our bottom 6 but we still need a full line in our top 6, preferrably with top 6 players.

        • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

          Yes… Bottom 6….who would you play above nichuskin other than Turris, Ryan, MacArthur

    • Hax

      Would be ironic if Spezza gets dealt along with his (apparently) most loathed line mate.

      Jason “I’m tired of playing with guys like Greening – trade me.”
      Bryan “Okay I’ll trade you both so you can still play with him.”

    • Doc

      I would kill for that kid, but sadly I think he’s untouchable.

      Would fit in so well with the team, though.

    • Tooks

      Nope, try again…

  • Dirk-Diggler

    Does anyone think our team would be better if we had Tim Murray at the helm instead of Bryan?

    • Andrews theory

      I think it would be better if Tim owned the team lol

  • Floridasensfan

    If his knees are mostly done a big no.
    If his knees are good it would need to be cheap as being on Spezzas wing is a big contributor to his points.
    Just don’t see him being part of our long term plans so time to move on.

  • Dirk-Diggler

    The best pacakage would be from TO…

    To TOR: Spezza (50% salaray retained), Prince, Gryba, 2nd 2014

    To OTT: Kadri, Phaneuf (2M retained for like of contract)

    • sprucesens

      hahaha. that’s one of the worst deals I’ve seen yet. They JUST signed phaneuf and are so eager to get rid of him, and seem to be shopping kadri anywhere they can. You think we have to add 2 2nd rounders(prince) and gryba to get their soon to be castoffs? No thank you

      edit, AND retain spezza’s salary, while taking back phaneufs 7 year 7 mill per!

      • Dirk-Diggler

        As much as we all hate Kadri and Phaneuf here’s my reasoning.

        Kadri – agitator with skill. We all hate him so much because he’s killed us over the past few years. He and Zibby on line 2 would be awesome.The thing about Kadri is that he draws more penalties then takes. Well, the Sens had the problem of taking way too many penalties last year so a player that positively contributes to the power plays for vs against is welcome onto our roster.

        Phaneuf (at $2M retained per season) – he’s a perfect #2 d man and a left handed shot. He can play beside Karlsson and he won’t have to worry about carrying the puck in the offensive zone. That means a guy like Phaneuf can think about protecting the back end and not do too much. He can still eat big time minutes but it will allow Karlsson to skate with a longer leash.

        Prince wants out and is a B or even C level prospect. He will maybe make the NHL in 2 seasons from now and even then do we even have a top 6 spot for him? Who’s he ahead of in the depth chart? Can’t tell me you would put him ahead of Ryan, Mac Arthur, Zibanejad, Turris, Stone, Puempel or Lazar!

        Gryba is a 5-6 dman and we are already at 8 guys signed for next year. We also have guys that should be playing in the NHL like Classen who can replace Gryba.

        • Tooks

          Yes, please Leafs, take our garbage and give us 2 proven roster players + your first pick. Please take our garbage, its good garbage!

        • Big Lue

          I agree with sprucesens, that is the WORST DEAL I’ve heard. First off we get Stuck with Phaneuf for seven years and second Spezza goes to play for our ultimate Rival and we have to play him 5 times a Season.

          If Murray pulled that deal we would all call for his head on a spike.

          • Jakester

            Who worries about playing Spezza 5 times a year? He’ll be -5 at the end of the night!

          • runningbear1974

            You play your best when you play determined… Spezza will be determined to play well against us… We might see the best Spezza ever against us…

          • Big Lue

            Spezza is an enigmatic player, he can be a defensive liability but he can also win games… though I agree with you in part I would still rather not play him 5 times a year. I think he would be highly motivated to play well against us.

        • Jakester

          Prince lead Bingo in 5 on 5 points. The kid has a great shot and skates like the wind. No secret that’s why Tim Murray wants him. In my book he’s near the top of our prospects. He’s impressive when you watch bingo.

  • Marcel Marcotte

    3 years – $9.5 million.

  • sprucesens

    I think once a player asks to be traded, his NTC is null and void. Also, murray stop handing them out! I wonder if spezza would reconsider, as he only has a year left on his contract. its not like its a 5 year contract, like say nash. If he doesn’t like it, he can move on. I wonder if he would be that much classier than heatley. If not, the projected return just dropped dramatically, reducing half our options. With no Nashville and florida. Imagine if dallas is on there. Then its really just a 2 horse race

    • runningbear1974

      That’s a good point… If a player asks to be traded his NTC is null and void… 100% agree with that….

      • FistsofNeil25

        That’s definitely the way it should be but players will never give up that much power unfortunately. It’s not really fair when a star player basically holds a gun to their GM’s head demanding to be traded to a small list of teams, or in Heatley, St Louis and Nash’s cases just one specific team.

      • KJ

        Its not a NTC. It’s a NMC, meaning he submits a list of 10 teams he can’t be moved to. He can still be traded. it kicked in July 1st 2010. this list can change every year, but he has to submit the list in due course each season starting in 2011-2012 through 2014-2015. This means asking for a trade is fair game. A NTC is different. It means your fully committed to the team that gives it out. And in this case, I would agree with you.

        • runningbear1974

          I understand… I still think if the player initiates the trade then he voids his NTC or NMC… That’s my opinion, and it doesn’t count with the law…

        • sprucesens

          I might be confused but the only difference between the 2 is that NMC means you can’t be demoted to the AHL. NTC means you can’t be traded to another team, whether its the NHL or AHL. Both can have any amount of teams included, or be considered FULL NTC or NMC meaning any movement whatsoever needs to be approved, as all teams are on the list. I also think it is possible to have an NMC while having all 30 NHL teams available for trade. I doubt its ever happened, but I think it IS possible. Basically just means, I’m not playing of the farm team. Usually an NMC includes a list of teams that the player cannot be traded to, as well.

  • Zelle

    I’m saying yes just because he’s likely to come cheap versus other FAs and the Sens are light on talent on the LW at the moment.

    • sprucesens

      agreed, he will probably sign, unless we offer him like 2 million, which I honestly don’t doubt. Then he just laughs and signs elsewhere

      • Zelle

        Haha yeah at this point I don’t doubt much… I can’t wait until this is all over and fans know where this team stands. I also just really want to watch the boys play again.

  • Andrews theory

    I think MM gets a 1 year offer to let him hit the reset button

    I’d offer 3.2 million and performance bonuses if that’s still possible

    • Hax

      I seriously doubt he’d take a one year deal. At least not until after he’s tested the market to see if he can get a multi year deal.

      • Andrews theory

        Thing is he might short change himself

        I don think it’s impossible that he’ll have a bounce back year

        He looked much better at the end of the year once he recovered

        He lights it up, he gets term and money next year

  • ghost of ZipZapRap

    How many knee operations has MM had ?
    4 or more = don’t resign him

  • SensChirp

    Apparently Paul Beirne, who was brought in from Toronto FC to be the new vice-president of ticketing, is leaving the organization. Was hired back in November. Disappointing as I was looking forward to seeing some of the ideas he could bring forward on the sales and marketing side of things.

    • FistsofNeil25

      More great news!

    • Dirk-Diggler

      fuck… He seemed like a good guy… I guess the last email I sent him he will most likely not act on

    • Doc

      Another staff/palyer jumping ship. ;)

    • Tooks

      Trend is to leave Ottawa while you still can…

    • sell the team Eugene

      HMMMMM – would you continue to work for Melnyk if you had another job offer ?

    • FistsofNeil25

      Before we jump to obvious conclusions do you have any idea why he’s leaving?

      • Doc

        Same reason as Alfie:

        No pomegranate yogurt in the staff lunch room.

        • FistsofNeil25

          The organization really need to fix this issue if they want to be taken seriously.

          Either that or it is the fans fault.

          • Doc

            I know, right?

            They are only humans.

      • SensChirp

        Ya I don’t know that for sure but I heard for another job. No scandal here haha

        • FistsofNeil25

          I’m sure most of us jumped to the conclusion that he no longer wanted to work for Melnyk or Melnyk wasn’t willing to invest enough funds into marketing lol

          • runningbear1974

            It’s not most of you… It’s the exact same bunch of you that’s been jumping to conclusions about ever single event that happens… That’s why it’s tough to understand where you guys are coming from… Everything that happens with the team is an indication of how cheap Melnyk is…
            Yesterday… Melnyk is so cheap for only offering 3 million a year to Hemsky? Would the fans have been satisfied if we offered him too much?
            Sometimes you get used to a way of seeing things, and then everything seems to support your cause…

          • peetypuck

            You seem to be jumping to conclusions more than this time. When anyone disagrees with you then you label them a Melnyk-lover. Think first.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Go through all my comments ever made on this site and find one instance where I called someone a Melnyk lover.

          • peetypuck

            No, it’s the same bunch that Running Bear mentioned. It seems to include you although you may never have said that.

          • FistsofNeil25

            I don’t care if you or anyone else like Melnyk or not. We’re all allowed to take all the information we’ve been given and develop whatever kind of opinion that we want. I think it’s great that you and RunningBear or whoever else can still believe in Melnyk at this point in time. I wish I could feel that way as well. It’s just also very reasonable for some of us to be disgruntled with everything that has happened in the last year or so and not have much trust in Melnyk at this point in time.

          • peetypuck

            There you go again, jumping to conclusions. Show me where I said that I still believe in Melnyk. I think he’s a greedy cheapskate. But common sense says that he must spend more money eventually if he wants to increase his sales and profits. Profit is what will motivate him, if anything. Like I stated earlier, if he wants to make more money he will need to start going a few rounds in the playoffs. I give him the benefit of the doubt because the team is in a rebuild which is being extended by losing Alfie and Spezza. I myself have been the one advocating that we should get into the McDavid sweepstakes. Even if we get into the top-10 again (like this year) we will get a very good prospect. So it makes no sense to spend if we go for a high draft pick next season.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Jeeze sorry for jumping to conclusions. I have no problem with someone who still gives Melnyk the benefit of the doubt.

            I want to go for the McDavid/Eichel sweepstakes as well but that isn’t Melnyk or Murray’s strategy. Melnyk said at the end of the season that he expects to make the playoffs every year regardless of the budget and that anything else is unacceptable.

            His message wasn’t that we’re still rebuilding. That was his message 3 years ago, but not anymore.

          • peetypuck

            Did you call me stupid and illogical a couple of days ago when I suggested we trade for the Sedin twins?

          • FistsofNeil25

            “Too difficult to please? Man your suggested trade was the Sedins for Spezza, Zibanejad and Cowen. We need to trade Spezza for some quality youth, not package him with our own quality youth like Zbad for two 34 year old players that are on the decline. If you watched the Sedins at all this past season you would have seen how much they have slowed down. They never were fast or quick but they’ve lost a step are two and are easy to shut down. That’s just a terrible idea.

            I think most people like the idea of trading Spezza for the 1st overall but most of us know that Florida wouldn’t make that deal.”

            Was that offensive to you? I never said you were stupid, but yes the idea of trading Zibanejad and Cowen for the Sedins is completely illogical.

            It appears as though you are very sensitive. If you can’t handle people agreeing with you or thinking some of your ideas are foolish then maybe you shouldn’t share them with us. I’m sure people have said that some of my comments were ridiculous but you don’t see me getting all upset about it.

          • peetypuck

            You sound pretty upset to me.
            So I shouldn’t be upset when I’m called names? Good, remember what you said the next time someone calls you a COWARD.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Again, I never once called you any names lol I’m not upset and I’m
            confused more than anything because you’ve created this whole thing in your mind.

      • Deadly

        He got a job with a British soccer team.

        • TookieIs100PercentRight

          Explains why he wants to fight, Premier League players run like the wind.
          TOOKS100%OUT!!!!!!!!!!

    • runningbear1974

      Is he the guy who came up with the FEARLESS thing? That guy should be fired… 2 years ago, all Maclean talked about was being scared, and how it kept him alert… Then the following year some moron comes around with a FEARLESS thingy… No clue what this organization is building on…

    • Mr. Seller

      If he came from Toronto FC, then who is the guy we brought in from the Montreal Canadiens last year or the year before in the marketing department? I didn’t notice any improvement in the atmosphere at the games.

    • A-Train

      Ouch. Tough time to lose a guy in that job.

    • runningbear1974

      The sens should consider bringing in Sens fans to do the marketing… I lived with a Toronto fan that worked for the sens… His heart wasn’t in it… Much better to be surrounded by people you can trust…

    • http://www.31digital.ca Spencer Callaghan

      This is devastating if true.

      Not sure how we can go on pretending that this organization isn’t in complete turmoil right now.

  • Aaron 2.0

    Interesting list, Chirp. Most of them (if not all of them) make sense. I’m guessing this list was probably put together by Spezza a while ago. I wonder if there could be any flexibility there at all. Columbus, for example wouldn’t seem like a horrible landing spot any more. Their team is much, much improved from just a few years ago. And, it’s a quieter market. Of course, it’s also Columbus, Ohio. So, there’s also that. Just using this one as an example though. If a team comes calling, it’d make sense to at least see if Spezza still feels the same way about his list. Unfortunately, not sure if there would be much reason for him to have a change of heart about Nashville.

    • Richard Gough

      I wonder if Spezza would go to Minnesota ? He would fit in very nicely there and has camistry with Heatley

      • Dirk-Diggler

        Heatley’s contract is off the books now. He’s a UFA this summer and they aren’t resigning him. I can see Heater end up in FLA or NYI on a $2M deal.

        • Richard Gough

          Or be resigned by the wild if Spezza is trades there

        • Max Power

          heatley’s goin on a PTO to wherever spezza lands

  • Don Ciccio

    I would keep Michalek at 3mil per and nothing more…..He is no longer a top 6 player but would be very good on a 3rd line. Something like
    Michalek – Pageau – Lazar would be my ideal 3rd line

  • FistsofNeil25

    “Unrestricted free agent forward Brian Boyle is reportedly set on leaving the New York Rangers after a discussion with head coach Alain Vigneault left the forward unhappy about his place within the organization.

    After being told that he could return as a penalty-killing fourth-line player, Boyle said that he will explore freeagency in search of an expanded role, per Tom Gulitti of NorthJersey.com. ”

    I always like Boyle as a depth guy and he really grew on me watching him in the playoffs.

    • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

      I’d take him in our bottom six… Didn’t we draft his brother too?

      • FistsofNeil25

        We did.

    • A-Train

      He’s hard alright. Seems like a player some team will pay way too much for. Maybe us.

    • zippy

      I think I might prefer him over Michalek and his bad knees

    • runningbear1974

      Boo to Boyle… He’s a big soft guy… He’s a big body that only hits small bodies… He’s only effective against little guys… Did you see him fight through difficult situations? Nope… If anything, Boyle and Nash proved that they’re 2 big wussies… I’m smaller than them so they would try and fight me, but put them against anyone with a bit of strength and they disappear….

      • FistsofNeil25

        The way Boyle played in the playoffs this year for the Rangers proved that he isn’t a wussy. He was one of their best players.

        I’m not even advocating that we sign the guy. I was just saying that he’s a good depth guy.

        • zippy

          I would make him a top 9. He’s got heart. Grit. Some speed if I recall correctly.

          • runningbear1974

            Seriously, you guys saw grit against LA? St-Louis had more grit… Anyway… I saw it differently…

          • FistsofNeil25

            Boyle finished 5th overall amongst forwards in the playoffs with 69 hits and 1st overall with 32 blocked shots. You’re right, he has no grit.

          • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

            Pussy!

          • Tooks

            Shut yo face!

          • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

            I’m eating some peach yogurt right now… So let’s fight!

          • runningbear1974

            I’m not trying to convince you… I’m just sharing my point of view… I don’t want him, and yes I do think he’s a pussy…

          • FistsofNeil25

            Pussies don’t lead the playoffs in shot blocking.

          • sbs138

            you’re right, but he’s saying pussies are big soft players that only go after smaller guys, which is what Boyle does. we saw it with Karlsson a few years ago.
            there’s a difference in being a “hard” defensive player that will block shots and throw hits with a pussy.

          • FistsofNeil25

            He went after Karlsson 3 years ago. Can you recall a time since where he went after a significantly smaller player?

            If your reason for not wanting Boyle is because he doesn’t destroy people with punishing hits then that’s fine. Just don’t ignore all the good things he could do, and the role he could fill on the Sens which many of our bottom six players have failed to fill.

            He was one of the best role players for the Rangers in the postseason. His role as a pk and faceoff specialist shouldn’t go unnoticed because he isn’t a punishing physical player. He was one of the unsung heroes for the Rangers.

          • sbs138

            you don’t think that there are current players on the Sens, Zack Smith, that can bring the same qualities for a bottom 6 centre, if not more, than what you say Boyle can do? Which was: “he’s a valuable penalty killer and he’s strong on faceoffs”.

            Zack Smith had a marginally worse FO%, 52.7% to 52.9%.
            Zack Smith had 13 goals, Boyle had 6.
            Zack Smith had a shooting % almost twice as good as Boyle’s.
            Zack Smith averaged more than 2 more min of ice time per game.
            Zack Smith played more SH minutes.
            Zack Smith has double the PIM’s but Boyle is a pussy.
            Zack Smith will drop the gloves.
            Zack Smith doesn’t give a fuck.

            Maybe you can elaborate on why you think we should go after Brian Boyle?

          • FistsofNeil25

            But here’s the thing…we need to have more than one useful player in our bottom six. Zack Smith is a good bottom six player. I’m not advocating that we bring in Boyle at the expense of Smith. Why can’t we have them both?

            Some of those stats you used must be put in to perspective though. Smith and Boyle’s faceoff stats are almost exactly the same, They both perform well in that department but, we’re about to lose our best faceoff man in Jason Spezza.

            Zack Smith had 13 goals to Boyle 6: You got me there, but I’m not suggesting we bring in a player like Boyle for his goal scoring ability.

            Zack Smith averaged more than 2 more minutes a game than Boyle: This is true, but Smith player 3rd line center on the 21st place team in the NHL. Boyle played 4th line minutes on the 12th place team. Smith was used as a shutdown center on a line that got destroyed by its competition on most nights. Boyle was used in a 4th line checking role and a PK specialist. NYR rolled with 3 scoring lines.

            Zack Smith player more SH mins: Not sure where you found this stat, but the NYR were short handed 105 times this season, good for 1st in the NHL. Ottawa was shorthanded 150 times which ranked 28th overall. That there explains the difference in SH time. Our penalty killing unit ranked 27th in the NHL. NYR ranked 3rd. Smith doesn’t excell on the PK. It’s not his strength. Boyle was on the ice for 44% of NYR short handed minutes, while Smith was on the ice 25.2% of Ottawa’s minutes. Those numbers were taken from extraskater.com

            I wouldn’t rave about Smith having more PIMs. It suggests that he isn’t as disciplined as Boyle.

            Zack Smith fights more than Boyle: This is also true. Smith had 3 fighting majors this season. According to hockeyfights.com, Smith fought Gudbranson, Bortuzzo and some guy named Kevan Miller. Apparently he was voted the loser of all three fights. Brian Boyle fought twice this season and was voted the loser in both. Who were his opponents? Chara and Bieksa.

            So anyways I’m not sure why you wanted to compare Boyle to Smith because they could both be useful, effective players in our bottom six. If we’re promoting Zibanejad to 2nd line center and we don’t acquire another through trade, we’ll either look to Pageau or Grant to fill the other center spot or turn to a UFA. The UFA class is weak and if we’re looking for a bottom six guy, Boyle is one of the best available and would come cheap.

            I suppose it doesn’t matter all that much though. He likely won’t play for Maclean after he sent Carkner out to dummie the guy lol

          • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

            Normally I’d say everyone is entitled to their point of view…… Unfortunately in this situation (and most in life) they are only valid if they are based on reality

          • peetypuck

            You judging whats reality or not? hahaha, that’s a good one.

        • runningbear1974

          I disagree… I saw it differently… No, I think he’ll only be effective against smaller players…
          Anyway, he’s the guy that punched Karlsson in the head several times… Oh yeah, because Karlsson is a smaller player…
          I’m sticking to my point of view… He’s only effective against smaller players… Put him up against anyone close to his size, or with more grit, and he’ll disappear…
          That’s so weird that people can watch the exact same games and come up with different conclusions…
          (I’m pretty sure Alain agrees with me…)

          • FistsofNeil25

            Boyle is a role player who excels at what he does. He’s a depth player who’s looked on to play in a defensive capacity for his hockey team. He’s an excellent penalty killer and he’s strong on the faceoffs.

            Last I checked we’re a horrible penalty killing team and we’re about to lose our best faceoff man in Spezza.

            Enough with your he’s a big body that only hits small bodies talk. He’s 6’7” and 245 lbs. I don’t really care how physical he is.

            Greening and Cowen were our two most physical players and look how effective they were this season.

          • runningbear1974

            Again… I disagree with you… Cowen rarely hits people… He only sort of pushes them… Gryba actually hits people… I’m not sure why the stats say he does hit a lot…

          • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

            Again… Its called reality

          • peetypuck

            Reality, schmeality, who cares?

          • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

            Ok yesterday Boyle would have been the EXACT kind of player you wanted… Today he is a pussy and no good….

          • runningbear1974

            You don’t know me… You haven’t bothered even trying to understand where I’m coming from… You seem to have something negative to say about whatever I think… That’s your choice… Like I said, Boyle only plays hard against small players… Bobby Ryan I love because I saw him throwing his body around regularly… Zibanejad also likes contact… I like these players… I would have said the same thing about Boyle yesterday, I was making fun of people for cheering for the Rangers all Playoffs…

          • Doc

            You keep getting better each day.

          • runningbear1974

            There’s a gang of you guys with the same points of view who tend to attack people with different points of view… I’ve done the research :)

          • FistsofNeil25

            I’m not attacking anyone. We’re just talking hockey.

          • runningbear1974

            Child, Backwards, Ridiculous, Delusional, Obnoxious… I’m doing the research on the names you guys call people when you disagree with them…

          • FistsofNeil25

            I’ve maybe said ridiculous but I’ve never called you or anyone else any of those things. Is “ridiculous” that offensive to you?

          • runningbear1974

            Nope… Calling people names doesn’t reflect me, it reflects the person calling names… I’m only disappointed in one person on this site for calling people names, and that’s the leader… He should be above that, in my opinion…

          • peetypuck

            You talk pretty big behind your computer but when someone challenged you, you chickened out. That makes you a COWARD. And I’m not name-calling. So take off, eh!

          • Doc

            Easy tiger.

          • peetypuck

            Well, it’s true. I read it myself.

          • Doc

            You did some research!

            That’s improvement right there. Proud of you. ;)

          • peetypuck

            Thank you, what flavour yogurt do I get?

          • Doc

            No yogurt. Times are hard (just ask Melnyk), so we need to be wise on how we spend.

            I could give you a gold star though.

          • peetypuck

            I don’t believe that. You’re just being cheap with your yogurt.

          • Doc

            MINE!! ALL MINE!! MOUAHAHAHAHAHAHA

            Except for the peach flavour. Yuck. You can have that one.

          • peetypuck

            I changed my mind. I’ll have one of my own. You keep your peach yogurt, cheapskate!

          • FistsofNeil25

            You gave us reason as to why Melnyk should spend when the time as right, and all I said was that Melnyk himself has not given us any reason to believe he will do just that.

            You took that as me being confrontational and having some big problem with what you said. I also mentioned that if he keeps handling the team the way he is, he will be lucky if a large portion of the fanbase is still around when he is ready to spend (if ever). You then told me not to speak for anyone but myself, and I responded by saying that it’s common sense that in most markets (with the exception of Toronto and Montreal) fans will only spend money on a quality product.

            You said I was being confrontational, while all I was doing was talking hockey while you were telling me I need to mature and so on and so forth.

            I didn’t chicken out by not responded to you, I just walked away from a conversation that wasn’t doing anything productive but littering the comment section with an argument that was going no where.

            I’m not acting like a big man behind my computer screen. You’ve just overreacted and become defensive to everything I have said in reply to you today.

          • peetypuck

            You’re part of this bully-boy gang and as soon as someone called you out for real you backed down.

          • FistsofNeil25

            How have I bullied runningbear today? Show me one fucking comment where I actually bullied him. Him and I were having a conversation about Boyle. There was no bullying.

            Again, what in the hell are you talking about?! Read through this comment section again and show me one instance where I was name calling, bullying, or being confrontational.

            You called me out by saying I was whining and having some huge problem with your original post this morning about reason why Melnyk will spend. So what exactly did you call me out for again? Oh ya, fucking nothing.

          • peetypuck

            So somebody just challenged you to a fight because you were being too nice to him? LOL

          • Doc

            Where did I attack you?

          • peetypuck

            You tend to provoke rather than attack.

          • Doc

            Where did I provoke you?

          • peetypuck

            Where did I say you provoked me. Are you reading things that aren’t really written?

          • Doc

            peetypuck • 6 minutes ago
            You tend to provoke rather than attack.

            So you’re just complaining in general?

          • peetypuck

            I would say there are about 5 or 6 of you ganging up on RB1974. I’m just here to advocate on his behalf. What, six against two not good enough odds for you? Just like you guys did this morning to me and then someone else. Yesterday it was the same. So don’t play innocent.

          • Doc

            You’re reading way too much into this.

            I speak for myself, I don’t care what other people do or say. I’ll challenge someone’s opinion if I think it’s unsubstantiated or illogical.

            Simple as that.

          • peetypuck

            Just a coincidence, eh? Gotcha.

          • Doc

            You’re an angry little fella, aren’t you?

            Not sure who pissed in your cornflakes this morning, but maybe you should take a quick break from the site to cool off.

          • peetypuck

            Wrong, I had Cheerios.
            Instead of trying to turn this on me when are you going to answer my question? Where did I say that you provoked me? You can back up your words, can’t you?

          • peetypuck

            OR are you just making up things as you go along?
            Shame, shame!

          • Doc

            Good lord lol. I did answer you with your own reply. Here, I’ll do it again:

            “peetypuck • 6 minutes ago
            You tend to provoke rather than attack.

            So you’re just complaining in general?”

            Learn to read every reply before getting angry at others. Still find your little fit pretty funny though, so please continue.

          • peetypuck

            Chill out!
            So you consider answering a question with another question?
            I’ll have to take it that you made it up. In other words you can’t be trusted to tell the truth.

          • Doc

            Dude, you make absolutely no sense right now. What did I make up? You’re throwing a tantrum for some odd reason.

            You asked me a question and I answered. The rest of your comment is just non-sense. I think you need a nap, or just step away from the computer. Might do you good.

          • peetypuck

            Blah, blah, blah!!!

          • Doc

            Thanks for proving my point.

          • peetypuck

            It’s the Senschirp Bully-boy gang.

          • sbs138

            I’ve noticed that too…Doc, Tcharger, Neils Fists

          • Tooks

            Zib likes to hit? He’s been a flyby type of player ever since his concussion. He avg 1.7 hits a game….I think its safe to say your are confused…

          • runningbear1974

            Sweet… I’ll add Confused to the list of names you guys like to call people when you disagree with their point of view…

          • peetypuck

            Careful, T-charger is top bully on this site. LOL

          • Doc

            You see of lot of things differently than others, lately.

          • runningbear1974

            I always have… I tend to think outside the box… I like imagining scenarios and playing it through…

          • Doc

            But there’s this thing called reality…

          • runningbear1974

            Yes, I know… You’ve done the research… You know reality…

          • Doc

            Research reality? That’s a new one.

          • peetypuck

            He knows his hockey. Whether you agree with him or not is immaterial.

          • WaitingSince92

            Says the guy who can’t understand why fans are frustrated with Melnyk…

          • peetypuck

            You make no sense. We all know why the fans are frustrated. Sheesh!

          • runningbear1974

            I do understand… I believe frustration comes from not getting what you want… It’s not hard to understand…

            But you guys are going nuts about it… It is my opinion that your levels of frustration is inappropriately exaggerated…

            2 years ago, in the lockout season, no one was complaining about the budget… Everyone was happy with the team… That was such a fun team to cheer for… So much loving that year…

            Then we didn’t sign Gonchar…
            Then Alfie thingy…
            Then Bobby Ryan, MacArthur, and tried to get Clarkson…
            Then this miserable year…

            And now…
            –> “Hey, we only offered Hemsky 3 million a year, look how cheap Melnyk is”
            –> “Hey, Tim Murray went to Buffalo, look how cheap Melnyk is”…
            —> “Hey, some marketing guy is going somewhere else, look how cheap Melnyk is”…

            Why do people expect to have the same budget as Toronto, NY, LA, Boston, Chicago? Why do you think this?

            You can be frustrated about whatever you want… You can be angry about whatever you…You can hate whoever you want…

            I’m not going to join you though, it’s not a fun emotional state…

            2 years ago, in lockout year, i didn’t hate Toronto,,, I was so happy about the Senators i didn’t have any hate for Toronto… This year i kinda hated them again…

          • eh?

            Since that time punching Karlsson and then not dropping the gloves with Carkner the next game I’ve refered to him as the Coward Brian Boyle.

          • runningbear1974

            And he wouldn’t fight Neil, who is significantly smaller than him… He is a coward… I agree with you…

          • sbs138

            I agree with you. I wouldn’t want him either for the exact same reasons. sure he can block shots and throw hits, but so can any other player on a roster.

        • zippy

          Nash and Richards were the basic problems in this run. Not Boyle. Nash for one could use a bit more Boyle in him.

      • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

        So can I pencil you in against Boyle and Nash with a partner of your choosing in fight night?

    • SENSible Voice

      He’d be a good replacement for Greening or Condra.

  • iKarly65

    Apparently, going off of CapGeek, we’re about $2.1M from the floor WITH Spezza, and with our UFAs and RFAs. Moving Spezza without knowing return leaves us at -$9.1M under the floor. Add on re-signing of Lehner and (Gryba + Hoffman?) and who knows really where that puts us. So re-signing Michalek might be a necessity unless they can fill that spot with someone of equal or greater salary through FA. That, or overpay the RFAs.

  • The Apostle

    For me it’s more about term than dollars. I’ve said many times that I would prefer to see Michalek gone, but I can see how, with Spezza and Hemsky likely both gone, keeping him becomes more attractive for the organisation – especially if he is, as he seems to be, a player good at taking instruction and playing to a plan. Sure I would like him to score more goals but what can you do.

    IAnything more than 2 years is, I think, a mistake – but if Murray is serious about keeping him then he’s going to have to offer him 3 years and a salary of between 3 and 3.5 m illion a year seems about right.

  • A-Train

    I never really fell in love with Michalek. But maybe Murray is looking at Zibanejad in the 2C position and wanting to give him a veteran winger he knows and has had a bit of success with. Might not be the worst option.

    • Hax

      Yeah that’s the only reason to keep Milo I think. If he’ll take a salary that makes it okay for him to play on the 3rd line and/or be a support winger for Zibanejad then that’s a good value. If he wants the type of money that means we’d need 25 goals then forget it.

    • Pasky

      Agree. As long as the contract isn’t any longer than 2 years I won’t pull my hair out. As I’ve previously said I’m picturing Ottawa’s window to spend to the cap to be after 2 more seasons, once Neil and Phillips contracts are up, and most of our young roster will have at least 4 years experience, except for Lazar and Puemple as the most likely graduates.

  • runningbear1974

    My issue with Michalek is he doesn’t stop or change directions quickly… He moves fast in one direction, and he always goes as fast as he can… He’s got very poor vision… He’s a big body, that’s a something… I hate stupid players… But, in his favour, he does have a good attitude, and he always tries hard… So, I would keep him on the 3rd line, or don’t bother with him…

  • Marcel Marcotte

    David Booth and Ville Leino have been placed on waivers for the purpose of a buyout.

  • Dirk-Diggler

    Do you think the Sens could have interest in Jussin Jokinen if he gets to July 1st without Pit locking him up? 3 years $4M per

    • Pasky

      If they don’t resign Michalek I hope they get Jokinen. He’d be perfect as the 2LW

  • A-Train

    Really disappointing to see Nashville on Spezza’s list. On the bright side: No Phoenix or Dallas (that we know of).

    So let’s say he left BUF, TOR, MTL off the list knowing Murray wouldn’t trade him to a divisional/geographical rival.

    In that case my money says MIN & NJD are the other 2.

    • Hax

      I’m not sure everyone agrees with me (in fact I’m sure many don’t) but I think Spezza has gone above and beyond here. I don’t see him as “demanding” a trade, more that he was open and honest in telling Murray that when his contract is up he’d like to explore other options. I’m sure he indicated that he would be okay with a trade before then but really what it amounts to is ample warning to Murray so that Murray can move him for maximum value.

      So with that, I think if Murray has a great deal offered for a team on the list of 10, Spezza might still agree. I’m sure there are teams on the list he’d never agree to go to, but that doesn’t mean all 10 area 100% out of the question.

      Heck, we’ve all had trouble coming up with 10 teams ourselves – I assume Spezza had trouble with the last few on the list too.

      • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

        Agree 100%

      • A-Train

        Yes that’s true. And I’m sort of surprised Nashville’s on there. I’d pick Nashville over St.Louis as a place to live. Their reputation as a tight defensive team might not be Spezza’s cup of tea in a contract year though. Then again, new coach. Maybe it happens.

        • Hax

          Yeah if Spezza has his heart set on Anaheim or something he might initially decline a Nashville move. But if Murray comes back later saying “look, the Ducks just aren’t making a good offer” then he may agree to go to Nashville rather than keep waiting.

          I think too many people try to paint players in this situation (with a NTC or NMC) as being completely unreasonable or inflexible.

          • A-Train

            The other thing though: It’s likely Dreger is getting his info from the teams he mentioned, rather than Spezza’s agent. So those teams have likely called and been told “you’re on his list”.

            Still, maybe a situation like the one you’ve described will play out.

          • Hax

            A good possibility. Though I’m surprised Murray wouldn’t let them toss in an offer anyway (like Calgary?) Why would Murray really care if they’re on the list when he’s still just trying to drive up the price.

          • FistsofNeil25

            If there’s one thing you can say about Spezza, it’s that he’s a class act all the way. He’s not going to put the Sens best interests before his own when it comes to a trade partner, but I think he would still be open to a few places that are rumored to be on his no trade list.

            Maybe Nashville tables the best offer for Spezza and Murray gives permission to Poile to call Spezza and sell him on what he’s trying to accomplish.

            I think what you’re saying is very reasonable. It’s Spezza we’re talking about here, not Danny Heatley.

          • Hax

            Exactly. Too many people jump to “he asked to be traded – his NTC should be void” when that’s not exactly fair.

            If he (or any player) *demands* a trade or refuses to show up to camp or something that’s very, very different. Spezza (by all accounts) has basically said he doesn’t plan to sign an extension and would be open to moving on sooner than later. Implied in that is the idea that if Murray said “Sorry Jason, play out your contract” he would without protest.

          • sprucesens

            yes, very true, we don’t know the exact details, and it does sound like it was kind of a 50% trade me or don’t, just see what’s out there. But if that’s the case, and the best offer is from a team on his no trade list, I say to spezza, this is what’s available, that we would consider. Its up to you if you wish to waive.

      • sprucesens

        we can only hope. I alluded to this too below in my “classier than heatley” statement. Willing to accept playing somewhere that isn’t his prime destination for 1 year, to help the team he’s played for, for 12 years. But, having said that, he owes us nothing.

        • Hax

          Well I also don’t think we get full value if he’s a one-year rental for some team. The highest bidding team will want to have an extension in place. So I’m not so much thinking he’ll go anywhere to help us out – more that he probably only has about 7-8 teams he absolutely won’t go to even if his “official” list has 10.

      • KJ

        I agree in that I think that is closer to the truth. I.e., Spezza did not demand a trade. He is open to one if Murray can find the right fit. BM has always tried to accommodate his players whenever possible in terms of mutual benefit. So, I still think it will work out for both parties.

    • spezzerman

      this means I have already lost the spezza trade destination contest…

    • KJ

      Speculation is all 6 Canadian teams not named Ottawa, and NSH, NYL, COL, and FLA are the teams on his list according to the TEAM1200, and Sportsnet. Source: Derger @ TSN.

  • A-Train

    The agent who represents both Brad Richards and Ryan O’Reilly gave a pretty candid interview on Hockey Central today.

    To me it sounded like the most probable situation is this:

    - Richards is getting bought-out.
    - O’Reilly will take either a one or two year arbitrated deal, after which he’ll test the UFA market.

    • FistsofNeil25

      The Brad Richards thing is obviously but if the latter is true then it sounds like O’Reilly doesn’t want to play in Colorado long term. If that’s the case and Colorado decides to shop him, they can get a kings ransom for the guy.

    • Hax

      Wouldn’t ROR have to take a two year deal to reach his UFA status? I thought I read somewhere that a one year deal would mean he’d be an RFA again next year.

      • A-Train

        Oh maybe that’s it. He said the player can decide between a one or two year deal. So if it takes two years for him to get to UFA, then it’d be a 2 year.

        He also said no long term deal had been discussed. Which I just don’t get. Isn’t O’Reilly the real deal and young? Why are they screwing with a guy like that?

        Not enough $$ between him, Landeskog, Stastny and MacKinnon down the road I guess.

        • Hax

          Yeah I wonder if they’re getting caught in the middle between both guys. I doubt they can keep both so they need to focus on Stastny or ROR and lock that one guy up. Sucks for them if they ultimately lose both.

  • Rafi Bomb

    The biggest problem I would have with targeting a guy like Boyle is that he is very soft for a guy his size. Given his age, I don’t have a high degree of confidence that that will all of a sudden change if he joins the Sens. This has kind have been Murray’s strategy for the last few years as he would target big players and then hope he can get them to develop an edge and a nasty streak. This strategy rarely if ever works and then we end up with big players who lack an edge like Greening.

    With that stated, Boyle did appear to play grittier in the playoffs this year so maybe it is a sign that he is late at developing that. If MacLean feels that he can get him to play with an edge then he might be worth a look. Aside from that he is a former 1st round pick and he did put up 62 points in 70 games played back in the AHL in 2007-2008 so he might have some untapped upside. He probably won’t be that expensive to sign so he might be right in there with Penner and Downie as the type of bargain players we might target this off season.

    • FistsofNeil25

      The reason I like the idea of targeting Boyle is not for his toughness or grit, it’s because he’s a valuable penalty killer and he’s strong on faceoffs.

      I don’t care that he’s 6’7” and doesn’t fight. I don’t care if he plows through guys at full speed. He brings something valuable to this hockey team that we are lacking. He’s a smart player who plays his role to a tee.

      I think people sometimes get too caught up in hitting and fighting. He’s still a hard player to play against. I would take him on my team any day over Greening, Condra or Neil.

      • Rafi Bomb

        He may have his uses but we still need to become tougher to play against. We need to up the overall grit and toughness of our forward core so that should influence the types of players we should target. So I wouldn’t necessarily be opposed to bringing in Boyle as long as we have some plan to improve the overall toughness of the team.

        • FistsofNeil25

          Agreed. We’re soft as 10-ply.

    • John Q. Spartan

      Brian Boyle is an unrestricted free agent.

      • Hax

        Bananas contain potassium.

        • Doc

          Great for energy in the morning.

          • FistsofNeil25

            They give me heartburn if I eat them before doing physical activity.

          • Doc

            Really? That’s the first time I hear that.

            They make your poo stronger, that I know.

        • Daybreak Maidenhead

          One banana, two banana, three banana, four
          Four bananas make a bunch and so do many more.
          Over hill and highway the banana buggies go
          Comin’on to bring you the Banana Splits show

          Makin’ up a mess of fun,
          makin’ up a mess of fun
          Lots of fun for everyone
          Tra la la, la la la la
          Tra la la, la la la la
          Tra la la, la la la la
          Tra la la, la la la la

    • runningbear1974

      Players who don’t like to hit, or/and don’t like to skate, won’t change their behaviour at this point in the game… You have to train them young…

  • SensChirp

    I find the Ryan O’Reilly stuff really interesting. Especially when you consider the fact that Stastny could test the free agent market.

    Keep coming back to the fact that I know Ottawa and Colorado talked about Spezza at the deadline. Was Colorado preparing for an off season pitch in case things went squirrely with their own guys?

    • eh?

      we can only hope to land one of those guys to replace Spezza

      • Hax

        Literally. We can only hope for it – can’t expect it since I can’t see either guy wanting to be here long-term.

        • eh?

          With one of those guys the turnover could be quick, with some optimism, Say O’Reilly and a 3rd liner moves Hoffman to second line and again one top 6 away like the start of last season. haha summer holiday can’t comequick enough…

    • A-Train

      His agent sounded very negative about the Avalanche today. Lots at play there. I can’t see Murray coming out of this with O’Reilly. So who else from the Avs makes sense in Ottawa?

      • A-Train

        Answering my own question:

        Roster player: PA Parenteau

        Pick: 23rd in 2014

        Prospect: Stefan Elliot (D)

      • Rafi Bomb

        ROR is the only worthwhile target that they might be willing to part with.

    • FistsofNeil25

      I would love to add O’Reilly but I can’t see it being done for Spezza even if Colorado is interested in him. Maybe both players could be part of a bigger deal.

    • Doc

      I’d get any of the two, but preferably ROR.

      The kid would fit in so well with the team. But we’d have to pay a premium to get him.

      Sad part if that we have the room on the roster, the money for his contract, and the assets to get him. But I have a feeling it won’t happen anyways.

  • Samuel Benzaquen

    apparently the ducks are looking at both Kesler and Spezza. I’ve heard that it is one of the two for them and if Kesler is taken by someone else they’ll pick up on Spezza.

    https://twitter.com/SportsnetSpec/status/478588948940611584

    • sprucesens

      yeah, if the ducks get kesler, we are screwed. the offer from st. Louis drops dramatically, unless some other unmentioned team is in the running right now

      • Hax

        Meh I think it would be sort of the opposite. Someone in the West adds Kesler and the other teams are that much more desperate to add as well. Arms race.

        • sprucesens

          hmmm, good point. Let’s hope its your idea, not mine

  • Tooks

    Super off topic…Should I get Watch Dogs or Dark Souls 2. I heard WD is an overhyped PoS. Dark Souls 2, well, I’m just afraid to play it honeslty haha!

    • Samuel Benzaquen

      wow bro. wow.

    • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

      Watchdogs is great. I love it…. Been playing on ps4 not sure if that makes any difference in my opinion.

      Most people bitching about it are just going out of their way to look for faults… Like he can’t jump…. Ohhh no not even entirely true.

      • Tooks

        Alright thx dudes! I think I’ll go with …

    • OverMind

      dark souls 2 all the way. a lot of the fun IS the endless dieing.

    • Big Lue

      I traded in Watchdogs the same day I bought it. Nuf said.

    • sprucesens

      I played first dark souls, but never finished. it was good. playing watchdogs now. don’t expect it to be better than gta. Its different, and offers some good fun, and unique multiplayer moments that no other game does, which is surprisingly fun. Also the app is quite fun too, especially playing against a friend

  • AutoTurris

    I would be more than on board with resigning Milo cheap. He knows the contract is going to be basically him paying them to play and after his 39 point year, he should be fucking paying them to play. We do need him for the top 6 at this point. although he did play with Zib for a while and was still useless so we might be better off without him.
    Also, I have wanted a trade with STL since the beginning of the rumors but that was when I realistically saw an Oshie-type return. If Berglund is the centerpiece, STL should be a last resort. Our history with ANA hopefully will give us first dibs with them and THEN hopefully BM can swing DSP and Etem, I don’t give a fuck about a pick at this point.

    Everyday I wake up and wonder if this is the day that Spezza will be traded. In my prediction I said at the draft but I feel like it’s coming… End of the week?

  • Turbo_Prop

    I wouldn’t mind resigning Michalek as long as its not more than a two year deal.
    Even overpaying him for a one year deal might be a good option for the Sens as they wait for prospects to fill in.

  • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

    Ales Hemsky is an unrestricted free agent!

    Ryan O’Neil is a restricted free agent!

  • Pasky

    CAPGEEK.COM ARMCHAIR GM ROSTER
    CapGeek Armchair GM Roster
    FORWARDS
    Clarke MacArthur ($3.250m) / Kyle Turris ($3.500m) / Bobby Ryan ($5.100m)
    Milan Michalek ($4.000m) / Mika Zibanejad ($0.894m) / Mark Stone ($0.603m)
    Mike Hoffman ($0.850m) / Curtis Lazar ($0.894m) / P-A Parenteau ($4.000m)
    Chris Neil ($1.900m) / Zack Smith ($1.888m) / Erik Condra ($1.250m)
    Jean-Gabriel Pageau ($0.613m) /
    DEFENSEMEN
    Marc Methot ($3.000m) / Erik Karlsson ($6.500m)
    Jared Cowen ($3.100m) / Niklas Hjalmarsson ($4.100m)
    Chris Phillips ($2.500m) / Cody Ceci ($0.894m)
    Mark Borowiecki ($0.575m) /
    GOALTENDERS
    Craig Anderson ($3.188m)
    Robin Lehner ($2.000m)
    ——
    CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
    (estimations for 2014-15)
    SALARY CAP: $71,100,000; CAP PAYROLL: $54,599,167; BONUSES: $1,955,000
    CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $16,500,833

    Traded Spezza to Colorado for Parenteau, Elliot & 2014 1st (23rd)
    Traded Greening, Weircioch & EDM 2015 3rd to Chicago for Hjarlmarsson (Feedback on this whether too much or not enough and maybe counter offer)
    Signed Lehner 2 year 4M
    Signed Hoffman 2 year 1.7M
    Signed Michalek 2 year 8M
    Give Lazar a 9 game tryout, if it fails then Pageau or Grant could step in the lineup.

    • Samuel Benzaquen

      I would never give michalek 4 million. 3 mil at most. One of the crappy overrated players. Had one good season, his knee got injured and now he sucks.

    • Dirk-Diggler

      We don’t have EDM 3rd and why trade for PA Parenteau when they are looking to possibly buy him out?

      Our C depth would be terrible next year

    • Rafi Bomb

      Not a great package for Spezza and Michalek isn’t worth that contract

  • sens_bud

    2 years, 3 mil. Throw him on the 3rd line, left wing, let him grind out hopefully 10 – 15 goals per year with an incoming player form the Spezza sweep stakes or Lazar if he proves hes the man for the job.

    • Turbo_Prop

      I don’t think he would take that, I predict he’ll sign for something closer to 2.5-3m per year, if its a two year contract.

    • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

      There is literally zero chance hr plays for 1.5mil a season

      • sens_bud

        My bad, meant 2 years, 3mil per year.

  • Samuel Benzaquen

    senshot.com/2014/06/16/shoud-bryan-murray-trade-mike-richards-today/

    Was reading this article earlier. It actually makes alot of sense for the sens. My favorite line from it was:

    “In a city that loves their hardworking, blue collar players and loathes ultra-skilled players who they perceive do not give full effort at all times, Richards would be a godsend”

    • Rafi Bomb

      Richards would be great in Ottawa. It actually makes a lot of sense to trade for him because we are too close to the cap floor and his style of play is exactly what MacLean and Murray are trying to implement here. Aside from that Richards has won everything (2 Stanley Cup’s, captained a team to nearly a 3rd, Olympic Gold Medal, World Juniors, OHL Championship) the guy is a proven winner. He would be a great influence on the young players and he would be loved by his team mates, the coaching staff, management and the fans.

      • Jakester

        You trade for him, and for doing the kings a favor you ask for a second round pick as compensation.

    • AutoTurris

      Oh now I want Richards and I know we are not going to get him. Why would you do this to us? Why?

  • Zelle

    July 5th is the earliest we will hear about Ryan and Mac right?

    • Doc

      Why not July 1st?

      • Zelle

        I don’t know that’s why I’m asking?

        • Doc

          Oh ok. Like Hax mentioned, July 5th was due to the shorten season.

          July 1st is the Free Agent day, and the day teams can re-sign their players on their last year of their contract.

          • Zelle

            Oh ok I get it now, thanks! I was just confused cause I had seen both dates mentioned.

    • Hax

      July 5th was just last year. July 1st is the UFA date this year (and beyond presumably).

      • Zelle

        oh ok thank you!

  • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

    I really hope wherever Spezza ends up this year goes on to win the cup… Then he signs somewhere else the following year and again wins the cup.

    Would absolutely love to see the idiots try and defend their position then

    • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

      Well Ummmmm ahhhhhhh that’s not the cup I meant… I meant he’d never win the grey cup

    • Rafi Bomb

      There is a very good chance that he never wins a cup.

  • spezzerman

    My apologies if a fight has already broken out over this but I havent scanned the comment section too closely; I find it interesting that Pheonix isnt on Spezza’s no trade list. They need scoring and have a glut of young d prospects coming up. New ownership that wouldnt mind a high scoring human highlight reel. There definitely could be interest there I would think

    • Rafi Bomb

      Hanzal, Domi, Samuelsson and Stone would all be excellent targets

      • FistsofNeil25

        I’ll take one of Samuelsson and Hanzal to go please.

        • Rafi Bomb

          They fit the type of player we need; skilled and gritty.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Are there some injury concerns with Hanzal? I was reading a Phoenix blog the other day to see if their fans were interested in Spezza. There were a fair amount of comments about concerns with Hanzal’s health.

          • Doc

            There is.

            Hasn’t played a full season since 09-10, and missed a lot of games in the last few seasons.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Interesting. I don’t want to acquire more damaged goods.

          • Rafi Bomb

            Well that might work in our favour. Maybe we can leverage this information to get Hanzal and one of Domi or Samuelsson.

      • spezzerman

        yandle…

        • Rafi Bomb

          Ya, him as well.

    • Hax

      Well, there have only been 8 teams “confirmed” by media types as being on his list. So Phoenix could easily be as well.

      Fatso said: Calgary, Edmonton, Winnipeg and Vancouver
      Dreger said: Florida, Nashville, Columbus and the Islanders

      • spezzerman

        True…

      • spezzerman

        I would be telling Spezza that the Sens are going to take the best offer from whoever is not on his list so if really doesnt want to play in Montreal or Toronto, he better name them. Murray has traded within the division before to. I agree with the theory that if you feel you are getting the best possible trade, who cares who its with? We have just as much a chance, if not more, to hurt Toronto with their return as they are with Spezza.

        • Hax

          The list was submitted on January 1st was it not? And it can’t be changed?

          • spezzerman

            oh, I dont know.

          • jimmyjohnson

            Like any NTC, he can waive, assuming the other team can convince him to do so.

      • Zelle

        It’s odd to think he’d want to go to Montreal no?

        • Hax

          I think (as some have speculated) that he might have left Montreal off his list thinking we’d never trade him within the division. Same for Buffalo. I can see him being okay with Toronto though since he’s rumored to have been a fan.

  • Rafi Bomb

    “Hope_Smoke ‏@Hope_Smoke 3h
    More
    Friedman “I think there are some real mixed emotions in LA over what to do with Mike Richards”"

    Hopefully Murray trades for him

    • Hax

      $29M and 6 years left on his deal. Not sure we’d go for that.

    • FistsofNeil25

      If he does I really hope that LA is retaining some of that contract. The term and cap hit are a bit scary considering he’s lost a step. If they’re thinking about buying him out we shouldn’t ignore the warning signs.

      • Hax

        They might be willing to retain some of it and that might tip the scales. I get the sense they’re looking at maybe buying him out more out of need for cap room than actual displeasure with him as a player.

        • FistsofNeil25

          But if they were pleased with him as a player wouldn’t you think that he would be a piece they want to keep as a part of their core instead of paying 30M to buy him out? That a lot of dough, even for a successful team.

          • Hax

            Cap room. I’m thinking (and purely speculation) that they like him
            and all but feel that can’t afford to use up that much cap room for him.
            And the actual dollars but that’s less of a concern for a team that
            would spend well over the cap if it were allowed. If they go compliance
            buy-out then they get the cap room back and live with the big check.

            Though retaining salary messes with their cap too so not sure if they’d do that after all.

          • spezzerman

            I agree. At the end of the day, he is, and will be their fourth line c. and that is a lot of money for a 4C

          • Deadly

            Tooks would call it bad management but since they won the cup …

          • FistsofNeil25

            If he’s still a valuable commodity with that contract then teams would still trade for him. The fact that there are compliance buyout rumors around him is enough red flags for me.

          • Hax

            I’m just saying that for a team with no cap room he can’t fit in but a team trying to get above the cap floor might be different. My first thought was that we wouldn’t want to pay him the $29M left on his deal and I still think that’s likely. But I just tossed the idea out there that a team (any team) with no concerns of hitting the cap might be okay overpaying him somewhat.

            It’s not like he’s useless.

    • Doc

      See, I’m not on board with a Richards trade.

      I just don’t see what he brings besides ‘grit’. He’s been on a steady decline since he was traded to LA, even if it was partly due to a diminished role.

      He’s also coming with a cap hit of 5.75 until 19-20, which is just ridiculous. He’s a prime candidate for a buyout.

      • Rafi Bomb

        We are way too close to the cap floor so we need to take on a big contract. I personally would rather take on Richards contract then go hard after Callahan. Richards might have declined but there is still a possibility that given the right development staff he could get himself back into elite shape. We are lacking in both leadership and grit and he brings both in spades.

        • Doc

          True, but 6 years is a long time, and statistically he will continue to decline to a point where he’s going to be victim to his own contract.

          I don’t Uncle Euge could stomach that long of a term.

          • Rafi Bomb

            It is pretty risky, but maybe we can get then to take on a contract we don’t like back. For example maybe we require them to take Greening in return.

            Richards actual salary declines each year. It goes from $7M to $6M to $5.5M to $4.5M to $3M to $3M.

            We could also require them to take a bit of salary back.

            Overall trading for Richards would be entirely contingent on whether the organization felt that they could turn his career around a bring him back to his Flyers days. If the Sens feel they can do it then it might be a worthwhile risk.

          • zippy

            You can’t expect father time to work miracles.

            I would hope he’d be a top 9, and look for veteran presence. Don’t you think Lazar, Zibby, etc would LOVE a Richards to mentor them??

          • Hax

            I can imagine a scenario where having him as 3C helps Zibanejad grow into the 2C role. But I can also imagine a scenario where he ends up as our 4C and due to his large contract we’re playing 5 guys on their ELCs to stay on budget.

            Let’s hope he gets bought out and wants to sign a three year deal here for $3M per year. LOL

          • Rafi Bomb

            Richards doesn’t necessarily look like an athlete when wearing street clothes. There has also been some speculation that if the Kings are going to keep him that they would try and get him to be more committed to his off ice development this off season.

            Seeing as he has already won everything and is living in LA maybe he has become complacent. He played hi junior career in Kitchner and is from Kenora so maybe he would be motivated to play in Canada and so close to where he grew up and played his junior career.

            Aside from that we appear to have one of the best development staffs in the league. Our strength and conditioning coaches could work wonders with him and at the very least get the most out of what he has left. Also boosting his strength may help him play that kamikazee style that help build his reputation in the first place.

          • Hax

            Yeah it all hinges on him deciding to give a shit. And really, if he decides to give a shit I’d think he’d want to stay with the Kings. Unless he wants a “bigger role” or something like that.

          • Andrews theory

            yes, I’m sure Richards can show them where the bar is…
            not the mentor they need.

          • Pasky

            Well if LA would retain 25% of his salary, then the cap hit for the Sens would be 4.3M which is fairly manageable for 6 years. The question is what would we be able to offer in a trade? If they want to get rid of Richards to clear cap space then a deal for Spezza is unlikely, unless we would retain salary as well. And Asides from Spezza we don’t really have a piece to send in return that is of value that the Kings would need. They might need a defenceman if they don’t resign Greene or Mitchell.

      • ProfessorPower

        3 cup finals, 2 cups, 1 gold medal, 2 time comeback down 3-0 in series. He brings leadership – mental strength is one of our teams biggest weaknesses.

    • Andrews theory

      uh Pass…
      Carter yes, Richards no
      Williams yes, Richards no
      Tofolli yes, Richards no
      Richards thinks he’s a rock star not a pro athlete, that’s an issue and the cause of his decline.

    • Jakester

      Don’t trade for Richards, you nab him if they use a buyout on him.

  • Rafi Bomb

    For everyone complaining about what Murray offered Hemsky

    “Hope_Smoke @Hope_Smoke · 3h

    Friedman “the word is that the Kings have an offer on the table for Gaborik for 3 years around $5.5-$6 million dollars”"

    Hemsky was looking for $5.5M per, so this should help gauge what his actual per year salary should be relative to a player like Gaborik.

    • FistsofNeil25

      Yeah but it’s well known that Gaborik would be taking a discount to remain a King. He’s never played with a player like Kopitar before.

      • Rafi Bomb

        Still, it does help to make a better assessment of what a fair offer for Hemsky would have been.

        • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

          Hemsky likely would be willing to take a bit less to play with Spezza too…. Hasn’t ever played with a player like that either

          But alas that’s not happening here

    • Andrews theory

      hemsky will get around 4.5 – 5.0 per over 4-5 years.

      • Rafi Bomb

        That seems a bit high for a guy who has only scored more than 20 goals twice in his career and hasn’t played in the playoffs since 2006.

        • Andrews theory

          well copy what i wrote and throw it back at me if I’m wrong…
          i think you’ll be suprised

          • Rafi Bomb

            Which team do you think pays him that? I could possibly see a team that has a 1st line centre but is desperate to find wingers for them.

          • Andrews theory

            pittsburgh

          • Rafi Bomb

            That was my guess as well. Although there is a pretty wide selection with Vanek, Cammaleri, Whitney, Leino, Booth, Roy, Moulson, Vrbata and Setoguchi all available as well.

    • luckan20

      I believe Ottawa should have given $4M cap hit deal. Anything over that is a goodbye for him.

  • jtf927

    i am really thrilled that the sens are trying to re-sign 9mm. i think 3 mill is a at the high end of what i would offer, i was thinking more along the lines of 1.5-2.5 mill. but 3 mill is already a 50% reduction from his previous contract. 9mm has stated repeatedly that he likes Ottawa and wants to stay. he will definitely help round out our top 6/9 and will help provide a veteran presence and leadership on what will be a young team and a young group of forwards. i am disappointed to hear nashville is on spezza’s no trade list. i was hoping for one of their dmen or possibly filip forsberg and their 1st rounder.

    • Pasky

      Michalek can get more than 3M on the open market. I agree that he’s had better days but considering how weak the free agent market is I’m sure he can get 4M on the open market come July 1st.

      • jtf927

        it might be possible given that the UFA group is not particularly strong. however, given the fact that 9mm wants to stay, i think a deal will be worked out. i agree with your point, and it is possible he may sign a deal somewhere else.

  • Mitchell

    Injured just about every season. Has scoring ability but seems to disappear a lot on the ice. A lot like kovalev in my opinion. Dangers at time but mostly a ghost.

  • sprucesens

    here’s my random proposal of the day. Spezza to st. Louis for shattenkirk and whatever else, don’t even care at this point, lol. We sign michalek at 3.5 million for 2 years. We sign vrbata for 2 years at 4 million. We then trade greening and prince to LA for Richards. have at’r boys

    • sprucesens

      just to clarify it a bit, I guess it would look something like this.
      MacA-turris-ryan
      Hoffman-Zib-Stone
      Michalek-Richards-Vrbata
      Condra-Smith-Neil
      pageau
      Shatty-Karl
      Methot-Ceci
      PW/Phillips/Gryba/Claesson.
      I put no thought into where they actually lineup, just a glimpse I suppose of what that could look like. This of course assumes they send lazar back to dominate.

    • Perry

      I don’t want to reunite Toffoli and Prince as ’67 boys. I’d rather send Prince elsewhere (BUF)

      • sprucesens

        yeah, I just traded him since he wants out, and is still a valuable trade piece.

  • Perry

    Landsberg just reported that the ALL of the other Canadian teams are on Spezza’s no-trade list as well.
    So this is what his list would look like: FLA, COL, NSH, NYI, CGY, EDM, VAN, MTL, TOR, WPG.

    • sprucesens

      neato. strange about florida, Colorado and Nashville. He really just wants to win. Still think the last 2 are strange. oh well, he has his reasons. Even if it was picked out of a hat, lol

      • Pasky

        Colombus not Colorado

    • Voice Of Reason

      Everyone should keep in mind that the list was submitted some time ago and that while it prevents BM to unilaterally trade Spezza to one of those teams, nothing prevents a trade to any of the 29 teams if Spezza agrees to it. Also, who’s to say Spezza hasn’t “updated” his list? Now he can’t add new teams but he may have voiced a change of heart on some of the teams he originally put on his list.

      • jimmyjohnson

        He submits a list at the end of every season, starting with the 11-12 season.

        So unless you consider 2 months ago to be “a while back”, I think you’re misinformed.

        • SENSible Voice

          2 months ago? Is that when the 13-14 season started? If so, ya, I’m misinformed alright but as Chirp said, he has to submit his list on July 1st of every year. That was 11 months ago. Also, you missed the whole point of my comment. The list can’t grow but it can shrink. He may have softened up on some of the teams he put on there last year. Furthermore, nothing prevents a team to talking to Spezza in hope of convincing him to accept a trade/extension if BM has something in place and gives that team permission to try and sell it to #19.

  • BeJamin

    Really neat to see how split we are on Michalek. Honestly though, it depends on price. However… if we’re going to throw 2.5-3.0M at Michalek /w term – why not just give Hemsky 5-5.5M or whatever he was asking for? That’s a far better investment. It’s not close.

    • runningbear1974

      If Hemsky is so skilled, why does he only get 20 goals?

      • KJ

        because he gets hurt

        • runningbear1974

          no that is NOT the main reason… The real reason is because he doesn’t like to shoot the puck… He prefers to skate on the perimeter and pass it into the crowd… That’s why he gets more assists than goals… There’s lots of ‘skilled’ guys who do this, they’re overrated in my opinion… In the top 6 i want players that want to score goals…

  • WaitingSince92

    Gotta factor in that rising cap. It’s significant enough that players who deserve a pay cut can keep the same salary. Small raises become big raises and no raise becomes a small raise. Kinda fucked up, but when I see someone suggesting $1.5 for Michalek, gotta say something…

  • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

    Don’t know if it’s true or not but was just told that sales guys are being fired due to the lack of ticket sales…… Yippee for more scapegoats

    • BeJamin

      It’s probably not so much scapegoats as a strict budget. If people aren’t buying the tickets, you don’t need as many guys to talk to them. It’s probably a really tough job to do right now. Although if I was a salesperson I’d focus on emphasizing what a privilege it is to see Karlsson play every night and then on the important fact that only 1 team wins every year, and I don’t know about you but I get excited to see all the other stars come and visit and play. It’s really the only way you can spin things with a non-competitive team. Truth is though, Ottawa doesn’t have near enough private sector support in terms of ticket sales to ice a crappy product. And frankly as fans, good for them for speaking with their wallets. Why the fuck should we pay if Melnyk won’t? The hockey business is the definition of the phrase “you have to spend money to make money” and it’s as simple as that. At the very least, spending enough to keep the guys here who need to be here (Alfie). It’s a slap in the face to your fan base not to do that and Melnyk deserves to feel the sting until he changes his tune.

      • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

        Absolutely nailed it!

        All the people that I know who have given up their tickets did so for that exact reason… If Melnyk won’t pay… Neither will I

    • luckan20

      We are also not out of the woods. Who guarantees that Ryan wants to resign ??? Suppose if Ryan tell Bryan lets see how the season iron out, then it is a signal he doesn’t want to be part of a crappy team. He must have already discussed with his wife about it. If he doesn’t sign before the summer ends, Bryan better find a trading partner and move him.

      Eugene and Bryan are going to ruin our team.

      • KJ

        why would you say that? BM has been building his team with Pierre Dorion and formerly Tim Murray. If he built it the way he wanted to it would already look like the Ducks, which is a team he pretty much built. Big, strong, and fast. Soon, the Sens team will be all his players (trades or developed). when that happens, and if the Sens underachieve, then and only then will I judge BM’s rebuild a failure.

  • luckan20

    I am not a big fan of resigning Michalek. He has declined considerably. Only one solitary season, where Jason and Greening and good seasons too. It is me, but there are fans believe he could be a contributor.

    I will like to see Ottawa adding Stempnyak than Michalek.

  • Jakester

    I think that the Sens are in a great position. They will need to get to the Cap floor or up to the 56 million budget level and teams are going to be trading some good players to get relief from the Cap. In these situations, teams will even compensate you with an additional pick in the trade. This can be a pretty lucrative time for our team. Once this all plays out I think we’ll all be very happy with the 2014-15 Edition of the Senators. So sit back and enjoy, the next 2-3 weeks will be very entertaining.

    • A-Train

      That’s the approach I’m taking. I’m resigned to the the fact that the team is now in transition. Whatever factors have brought that about, I’ve made my peace with it and I’m going to enjoy the speculation on new line combos and pairings, who’s going to wear a letter etc.

      There will be plenty of time to be depressed (or not) later.

      • zippy

        Good plan. Definitely in transition from Spezza/Alfie to Turris/Mac and hopefully Ryan.

        You could see the transition starting last year whenever Turris was on the ice

      • sens_bud

        I am down with the transition to a younger more unpredictable lineup. Guys will be playing for ice time and a trying to make a reputation hopefully. Resulting in balls out effort. PM seems to do well coaching younger guys and seems to let them make mistakes and move on. As long as we can do this and at the same time keep guys like ryan, karl, turris, mac and methot happy then this team will start to turn heads in a few years!

    • bluebuyyoo

      Hey Jakester. Whatever our differences regarding a certain player, I completely agree with your assessment above. I want to believe that BM will make the correct decisions to improve the team within the constraints placed upon him. And I know that when October rolls around, I will be attending games. I can’t help it. My name is Colin and I am a Sens fan.

      • sens_bud

        It is always fun routing for the underdogs!!

        • Jakester

          That’s why I became a Sens fan 18 years ago. Was a Habs fan, a major one. Found that as a group , Habs fans were annoying and arrogant. Have never looked back, all Sens all the time. My 3 brothers really hate that I go for Ottawa. Love being the underdog, love a hard working team.

          • sens_bud

            My family were all TO fans, Im glad I made the choice as a young kid to become a sens fan, although some days are harder then others. I liked the team during the lockout shortened season, as much as I expected them to spiral downwards I had a blast cheering for the comeback kids. Even if they are losing games, if they can play that exciting style of hockey that PM has infused before I will be a happy senators fan.

      • Jakester

        I admit to being passionate in the opposite direction that you are, and have been out of line. For that I admit I was stupid, but down deep we’re SENS fans and want a great team. Am stoked about the next few weeks honestly.

    • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

      Interesting way of looking at it.. And hopefully legitimate way of looking at it

  • aegiszx

    3 years for Milo. He’s 29 now, and I think he has a few good years left.

    1 – 5M
    2 – 3.5M
    3 – 3.5M
    + NTC

    • jtf927

      he’s definitely got a few good years left. but its the injuries i worry about. what happens if he goes down again? i was thinking the sens should sign him for a year, for 1.5-2 mill, with a potential of 3mill based on performance. give the guy some incentive as well as the team some flexibility.

    • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

      Have we not learned anything yet…stop with the ntc

      • runningbear1974

        I agree with that, no NTC…

        • Andrews theory

          Issue is that Murray uses NTC as currency to help navigate the budget

          • runningbear1974

            I’m ok with NTC when players accepting a lot less to be here… But, i don’t like giving NTC when players getting a lot of money…

          • KJ

            I don’t mind handing out the NTC if the player has a ton of character, and wants to stay here, and benefits the team. If the contract is awful, or your dealing with a diva type, forget it.

          • runningbear1974

            If they do have a ton of character they don’t need a NTC (people with good character will succeed anywhere)… I think sometimes they give a NTC, because if they didn’t it would be like telling the player he didn’t have good character…

    • sens_bud

      Too much money and although he seems to like Ottawa, I Dont think he deserves a NTC. If he has a good season or two I would like BM to have the greatest ability to get returns for him. Maybe at a trade deadline or something to a contender.

    • Jakester

      Brian is that you, stick the NTC where the sun doesn’t shine.

  • Frank

    If the Sens trade for Mike Richards, they better get something else in the deal, including a portion of his salary retained. The Kings will no doubt buy him out if they cannot trade him. He is known to be a lazy player who has little time for off-ice workouts. Is that really the guy we want as a mentor?

  • jasonontheoldsenschirp

    that offer to Ales Hemsky was an absolute slap in the face. 3 years for 10 mil? What an insult to the guy.

    • Sensturion

      I’m sorry but a guy averaging 40 points over the last 5 years doesn’t deserve 5+ million.

      • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

        So he deserves roughly Greening, Philips, Cowen money???? What have ANY of them done??

        Such a cop out answer

        • Sensturion

          They don’t deserve 3 million. I never said they were worth as much as Hemsky.

          • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

            No but the Sens did by offering him the same.

          • KJ

            speculation!!

        • Voice Of Reason

          Young players get a contract based on the potential they have shown… veterans get a contract based on what they have proven to be. Sensturion is right, Hemsky is a veteran who has proven to be a 40 pts a year player. Under the right circumstances he might produce alot more but that shouldn’t affect is value. It’s up to GMs to determine if Hemsky can excel with the roster they have.

      • peetypuck

        Only 146 goals since he made the NHL.I think he’s vastly over-rated.

    • Deadly

      The 3 million dollar a year is an insult. Sorry Ales.

    • Voice Of Reason

      I have mentioned before… we do not know if that offer was a starting point as any good negotiator would do or a “take it or leave it” offer which I doubt it was. I think Hemsky had already expressed he would not be back if Spezza wasn’t going to be his linemate next year. So I don’t think anyone on either side should be insulted.

    • runningbear1974

      What a world we live in where 3 million a year is a slap in the face…

    • KJ

      that has already been argued to death. please lets move on. didn’t expect Hemsky to stick around anyways.

  • zippy

    Did anyone read this on 6thSens? Re: Trade with Calgary

    Dreger: “As I’ve mentioned before, the trade makes sense for Calgary because it allows them to get rid of Jiri Hudler and Dennis Wideman’s respective contracts. Even though they may have tantalized Ottawa by offering a Backlund and a lower pick than what Ottawa has asked for, …

    If we assume Garrioch’s rumour to be true, I wonder if this could be a case of the Flames looking to acquire Spezza for the purpose of flipping him in a separate deal back to an Eastern Conference team that the Senators may be hesitant to deal with.”

    So once he’s traded. He can’t turn down a trade back to the East. That would be sneaky.

    • WaitingSince92

      The Flames are on Spezza’s list of ten teams he will not accept a trade to.

      • Voice Of Reason

        I prefer to say that Calgary is on the list of teams he may block a trade to if he so chooses.

      • zippy

        ah….well then that’s not gonna happen

    • aegiszx

      I think no matter where he goes next year, he will undoubtedly be back in the East the following year. Once he sees how the West play night in and night out, he’ll book the next flight back…

    • sprucesens

      he still carries the same NTC, so that makes no difference, other than other east teams that we were hesitant to trade with. But i think if they made a good offer, we’d take it, if it was better than anything in the west

  • Jakester

    Have a funny feeling that Murray has a Spezz deal worked out that he likes but is trying to squeeze the most out of it. I’m positive That this will be the first shoe to drop. I can still see Anderson being moved, and a couple of forwards and a D-Man. Oops damn Crystal ball got foggy for a minute… The draft will be insane this year, that whiny Bettman voice saying, “I have a trade to announce, wanna hear it”(what a Dufus)!

    • jtf927

      i agree with you dude. i have that same feeling that a trade is already worked out, BM is just trying to sort out last minute details. i think BM will officially pull the trigger during the first round when the sens acquire a pick from the respective team. lol. i keep hearing bettman’s voice in my head announcing the same thing…”we have a trade to announce. you’re gonna like this one. the ottawa sentaors trade jason spezza…”.

      • peetypuck

        That means we have to wait ten more days. Oh, the pain.

        • jtf927

          lol. i hear ya dude. it is both painful and exciting. i want to know what pieces we get in return to start figuring out the potential lines and team identity. it’s all good. i went out and bought myself a new Ottawa Senators hat to channel some of the excitement. :)

          • peetypuck

            I hope you have the TV reserved for June 27th. The draft is going to be a can’t-miss for us Sens fans , I think.

          • jtf927

            no kidding dude. i am seriously so excited about the draft and free agency. can’t wait to see what happens.

    • Andrews theory

      I’m sure Murray has a couple deals in the works but I don’t know that he likes any of them

      Only way he likes the return is for a future #1 center and that isn’t likely. He’ll squeeze the teams against each other and see what he likes best

      • KJ

        don’t know if any of you caught the Pierre Dorion interview on the team1200 awhile back, but he seemed to imply/hint that they would be a very busy team on July 1st. I don’t take that to mean buying 2014 UFAs, but rather extending their own 2015 UFAs, such as Ryan, and Mac, etc.

  • ProfessorPower

    if we got the 10th from Anaheim, what do you think Buffalo would offer for it?

    • sens_bud

      Conacher

      • IAmThePaulrus

        or Chris Stewart

        • ProfessorPower

          Etem-Zibanejad-Stewart would probably be a pretty good line.

          • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

            Forget Stewart

          • peetypuck

            It would be if MacLean could get Stewart to show up every game.

      • Andrews theory

        Slow clap….

        Lol

  • Millennium

    Dave Hodge – TSN ‏@TSNDaveHodge 22 Sep 2011
    Certain members of the Spezza family expect Jason to be a Leaf. I don’t believe it–they do.

    All these years later,they can expect it all they want, but the package it would take to get Spezza into the Blue is way more than they even have available to offer.

    • Andrews theory

      I’d do it for Kadri and their 8th

      • Millennium

        From any other team that would be probably be a great deal. But the extra cost of having to play against him (and the PR nightmare) would take a deal in the neighborhood of the Yashin to the Isles kinda stuff.

        • Andrews theory

          If that’s where he wants to play, he can sign their as a free agent next year anyways.

          If he leaves them, you played against him for one year and in return got two significant assets. If he signs there in a year, at least you have something to show for it.

          • Aaron 2.0

            I’m the guy always saying never trade within the division. But, you’re right, if he has his heart set on playing there, we might as well take some of their assets in the process. It’s a head-scratcher for me though. We can only speculate what’s going on with Spezza here in Ottawa (i’m sure we only have pieces of the story at best). But, if he has grown tired of being a whipping boy even a bit, this would be strange.

    • not YOUR wingman

      YEESH – all Spezza has to do is wait ONE season

  • SensFanInMTL

    All of this bickering from everyone here, I can’t believe I spent the time to read most of it. -_-

    • not YOUR wingman

      I canlt believe that you spent the time to tell us this

      • SensFanInMTL

        Took me a minute to write this. And about half an hour reading the other garbage. Was it enjoyable for you as well?

  • JayRuN

    So turns out flames never even made an offer for spezza. “100% fantasy land” treiveling said.

    • Andrews theory

      Haha that’s cute that he thinks he’s actually in charge….

      Burke;

      “Oh by the way, I made a couple deals yesterday, I’ll fill you in when I’m done my coffee.”

    • KJ

      of course he would say that… GM’s will never acknowledge back door talk.

      • iKarly65

        Didn’t Bryan Murray confirm he tried to trade Greening, Gryba and Condra?

        • Hax

          No. There were rumors that Greening was being shopped and other claims that Murray was getting calls on Greening.

  • karlssens

    Hey SC, do you have an email address I can contact? I heard some unsettling things from someone who works within the organization, and I’m curious if you can confirm anything I heard.

    • Doc

      The yoghurt issue has already been exposed.

    • sprucesens

      i think its just senschirp@hotmail.com. but go back to the spezza trade post, he lists it there

    • SensFanInMTL

      They’re going to trade Spezza and package Lazar aren’t they? Please confirm it is not true!!!

    • Spoons

      Yes, Bryan Murray is leaving. Dorion set to take over.

    • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

      If you heard people are losing their jobs in ticket sales and security then there is nothing to confirm…. Its fact

    • SensChirp
    • Frank

      Erik Karlsson has asked to be traded

      • Michenator

        I would shit my pants.

        • Michenator

          Also, I would hope this information would never see the light of day.

      • FistsofNeil25

        The thought of this makes me feel nauseous.

    • FBP

      This is probably worse than not telling.

    • Lucretia

      Way to stir it up.

    • A-Train

      So either Karlsson is on the way out of town or the entire franchise is. Great job easing the tension!

    • Frank

      I think you should just share your unsettling news. We SensChirp posters have proven in the past to be mature enough to handle such situations lol

      • Pasky

        I agree! I can’t think of a single moment where this forum doesn’t explode with rage at different rumors or each other. I think we’re level headed enough to take the news in stride without trying to set up a Sunday Fan Brawl PPV event…

    • FistsofNeil25

      Don’t leave us hangin’ like this man!

    • A-Train

      What you’ve heard is true. If the Sens win the cup this year Murray, Maclean and Melnyk have made a pact to go “Sutter-style” at the parade.

    • SensChirp

      No email yet :)

  • hq8

    why cant Murray just keep his cards to himself, try to limit the rumors and retain Spezza into the season. if Spezza performs well – which he damn sure will because he wants to retain his current salary after next season as a UFA – then his price goes up easily without even doing anything. The only risk would be that some teams might cut their chances and wait for the offseason. which is I think a risk the sens might as well take given that they can only really trade him to 20 teams max due to his NTC. Even out of those 20 teams, the pool is pretty small because the sens prefer to not trade within the conference.

    im not saying ditch trading him right now, but if the offers are not to the liking, keep him.

    as for MM9 – cut him loose. Hoffman can skate faster and will probably score just as many goals.

    • Mark

      If he gets hurt then it’s possible we get nothing for him.

    • Senatollah

      You think Hoffman can score 35 goals? 30 goals? 25 goals?

      • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

        Short answer

        No

        Longer answer

        Nope

      • Hax

        Do you think Michalek can still score 25 goals? That might be a stretch.

        • FistsofNeil25

          Maybe 15-20 without Spezza. We can realistically expect around 10-15 from Hoffy?

          • Hax

            Yeah I think saying Hoffman can match Michalek this coming season is a stretch for sure. Though if Hoffman get’s Michalek’s spot it might pay off in a couple of years.

        • Senatollah

          Personally nope. But that was what he was paid to do. And anything over $3.5-$4m better mean at least 20 goals. I dont see Hoffman getting to 20 goals this year. Not with what he showed last year. But, hopefully he can get there soon

      • hq8

        the hoffman comparison was based off of MM9′s less than 20 goal production this past season. at this point expecting 20 from Milan is a stretch. expecting anything similar out of Hoffman is a stretch too, but you see, if hoffman plays upto expectations and beyond, its a nice surprise. with MM9 there is more chance of disappointment.

        at this point, i would rather take the chances between indifference and nice surprise (i.e Hoffman) vs indifference and more disappointment (i.e MM9).

        mind you, i was a big MM9 supporter in the past esp after his 35 goal season

    • WaitingSince92

      Murray is worried (rightfully so) that it would be a distraction to have Spezza around, knowing he’d be traded. Not fair to Spezza or his teammates and not good for the franchise.

  • BMurray

    Seriously some teams have a serious chance at changing overnight via trade/UFA

    To OTT
    Michalek,H.Samuelson, First

    TO PHX
    Spezza, Wiercoch

    Samuelson and Lazar can be a handfull for years to come

    To OTT
    Daley, Ritchie, First

    TO DAL
    Spezza, Weircoch

    Can then see both those teams going after Moulsson to play with spezza

    • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

      Pretty sure it was released that phx is on his no move list

      • Frank

        Nope. Phx wasn’t on the list

        • BMurray

          CBJ, FLA,NASH, NYI, and CDN Teams

          • Tooks

            Nope MTL and TOR aint on his list as he knows Murray wont trade him there. Smart move, expands his list from 10-12.

          • Dirk-Diggler

            Imagine trading him to TO though… Spezza’s fragile ego would be crushed by the media there after his first drop pass to no one. But, also, a Kessel-Spezza-JVR line would be pretty scary.

          • Frank

            Fragile? The guy has been enduring the constant bashing for 11 years. He can handle it

          • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

            That’s what I’d read and that phx was one of the spaces and the official tenth was up in the air still

          • Hax

            Dreger apparently confirmed the list is as BMurray posted above. So you can go with what Dreger is reporting or with what others are guessing.

          • BMurray

            Im sure he would reconsider a trade to Florida/Nashville/CBJ now. Keep in mind this list was submitted 350 days ago. With Luongo in Florida, and young guns, I believe Florida can turn it around

          • Hax

            Yes I think there would be a couple on his list he might still consider waiving for. Though I think he submitted the list on Jan 1st – but regardless of when he came up with the list I’m sure some of the 10 have room for negotiation.

          • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

            Completely agree, I suspect that some of the teams listed he’d be a little more open to now.

            I imagine if anywhere would be able to have him as a 2nd line c with good wingers he could be swayed pretty easily. Imagine the matchups he’d get!

        • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

          I thought he’d left mtl and to off of the Canadian list… Hmmmmm off to a good start if I’m already learning something new today!

          • Hax

            That was the common theory – that he left Toronto and Montreal off thinking we’d never trade him there. But Dreger released the full list yesterday as BMurray has it.

  • SensChirp
    • BMurray

      Then there is 2 other teams left to be identified as No trade… 1 of Carolina, Buffalo, PHX, New Jersey i am guessing.

      This list was given to B.Murray at the start of last seaon if im not mistaken… I am correct.

      • SensChirp

        Thought I heard it was submitted every July 1.

        • Doc

          It has to, yes.

          • Tooks

            CGY, VAN, EDM, WIN, FLA, NSH, CBJ, NYI, BUF?, NJ?

          • Doc

            Sounds about right.

          • KJ

            I would guess Carolina instead of maybe Jersey

          • FistsofNeil25

            Lamoriello would never touch Spezza anyway.

        • BMurray

          ok so he has till june 30 to trade him based on his list from last year. so Buffalo must be on it.

          • Doc

            It basically allows the player to modify it if need be, but I have serious doubts that it wouldn’t always be the same teams on it.

    • boom

      content, please?

      • Doc

        huh?

        • boom

          I can’t get to the link that Chirp provided, so I was wondering what the tweet said…

          • Doc

            Oh, it’s a tweet from Steve Lloyd. Here it is:

            Steve Lloyd @TSNSteveLloydFollow

            Re: Spezza’s no trade list. Hearing. Habs and Leafs are not on it. Smart play. That essentially expands his list from 10 to 12.

          • boom

            Thanks Doc.

  • BeJamin

    If it ends up being Kadri + 8th I don’t think Ottawa can say no.

    • Hax

      But Spezza can.

    • Tooks

      Yeah thats probably the highest the Leafs go. Maybe a B level prospect, if Sens want more they will have to add.

      • FistsofNeil25

        If they offered Kadri+8th overall, I don’t think Ottawa would be asking for anything more. Who’s realistically going to beat that offer?

        • Tooks

          Its a pretty good offer but IMO TO wont risk that knowing he wont stay past his 1 year.

          • FistsofNeil25

            You’re probably right.

    • FistsofNeil25

      Some say the Leaves are on his NTC, others say they aren’t. Honestly though I don’t even like Kadri but I think that offer would be hard for other teams to beat.

      If Toronto isn’t on his no-trade list but there are rumors that he doesn’t want to play in Canada, there’s little long-term risk in trading him there. If we can steal Kadri and the 8th for Spezza and then he leaves Toronto after next season as a free agent then we would have made Toronto a worse team in the long run.

      If Spezza wants to play for the Leafs then he would just sign there next summer. There’s just not as much risk trading him to the Leafs as people seem to think there is.

      • Hax

        Fair point. I tend to think he doesn’t want to go there though. Mostly speculation fueled by some rumors. Though if they do make that offer it helps Murray pry more out of another team maybe.

        • FistsofNeil25

          That’s also true.

          We just need someone to confirm whether or not Toronto is on his no-trade list. Normally I would believe Dreger on this one, but others say that Toronto and Montreal aren’t on there. It doesn’t make sense for Spezza to put them on there, unless he doesn’t want to risk any possibility of Murray trading him there.

          • Hax

            Well you just outlined why Murray shouldn’t really have a problem trading him there – so if Spezza really doesn’t want to go there he’d better put them on the list. Murray would know (in all likelihood) that he’d only stay the one year anyway.

  • Don Ciccio

    If I was B. Murray and the right deal came along, I would have no problem trading Spezza to Mtl or Toronto. Why everyone is so scared of facing Spezza 6 times a year is beyond me. I mean if Mtl were to offer up Pacioretty or Tor offering up JVR, I would have to really think hard about it.

    • FistsofNeil25

      Yeah I really don’t think we should be worrying about making other teams better at this stage. We should only be worried about what makes the Sens the best team in the long run. I don’t care who we trade Spezza to as long as it’s for the best offer.

      Plus I’m pretty sure we only play Toronto and Montreal four times a season now.

      • Pasky

        I believe it’s 4 or 5 but it varies season by season. I don’t see Montreal as a possible deal but TO can definitely offer up a good package. Their problem is Cap space though. Although I think Kadri would be the most likely piece because he’s a young center can can slot on the 2nd line, his cap hit is just under 3M, so Nonis wouldn’t really be able to add Spezza and resign his other players. That’s why I’m thinking that Lupul could be a possibility, as long as he would accept a trade to the Sens. If the deal was Lupul and the 8th overall then BM should pull the trigger, even if it’s in his own division.

        • FistsofNeil25

          Lupul’s the same age and even less durable than Spezza. No interest in him.

          • Pasky

            Gross good point lol… Just looked at his games played per season.

            OK scratch that deal, although we still need to take some salary to make a deal possible.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Well they have $22,380,833 in cap space. Swap Spezza and Kadri’s salaries and they’re left with $18,280,833 in cap space to fill out their roster.

            They have 7 forwards, 4 defenseman and 1 goaltender under contract right now. So you’re probably right. It would be pretty tight for them to swap Spezza and Kadri and still fill in 10/11 roster spots.

        • A-Train

          Lupul? I guess he could keep Michalek company in the waiting room. My fear is they’re trying to unload Phaneuf on us.

          • Pasky

            If we take Phaneuf they better retain 50% of salary. Phaneuf at 3.5M a year isn’t that bad of a deal. Even at 30% retain the cap hit would be 4.9M which is about as high as I would want it.

          • A-Train

            It’s funny. If he were from another team and I hadn’t seen so much of him the past few seasons I’d almost say he’s what the team needs in a 2, 3, 4 D. But as is it’s way too much of a bizarro world trade.

          • Pasky

            Captain for Captain… wouldn’t be the first time this year, although this time it’s 2 rival teams doing it.

            If we can get Kadri and Phaneuf at a reduced salary then I’d pull the trigger I think, not sure if they would though.

          • Tooks

            Phaneuf has a 12 team no trade list, pretty sure OTT would be on it.

            Lupul also has a 14 team no trade list, pretty sure OTT is on it.

    • Tooks

      Yes you would have to think very hard as those pieces are very legit and impact players immediately, unfortunately you wont get that so you cant stop thinking very hard.

      MTL wont make a push for Spezza they have Markov and Subban to re-sign.
      Leafs will offer up 1 of Kadri, Gardiner, Phaneuf + a prospect or a pick.

      Although I like Kadri, those deals would make the Leafs better, not us.

      • Don Ciccio

        You have no idea at what Mtl might offer up. Montreal was apparently very close to trading Pacioretty during the season and they were not very happy with his play in the playoffs. Montreal has been looking for a big centre for many years now hence why the were always involved in any Lecavalier rumours. Montreal will also have contracts like Gionta and Murray off the books and can easily make room for Spezza if they wanted to make a play for him.

        • Tooks

          They got their big #1C in Galchenyuk, Plekanec is a great 2C. They will probably re-sign Gionta, he’s the heart and soul. They got Subban and Markov to deal with, that potentially bank breaking!

          • Don Ciccio

            Galchenyuk is at least a couple of years away from being a #1 and Plekanec would be a good #2 if they were to acquire Spezza. All depending on what Mtl does with Markov, I don’t consider it a slam dunk that they re-sign Gionta.

          • Tooks

            Yes he is but he will learn by being in that position, Galchenyuk isnt being eased into it, he’s a special type of player that can be NHL rdy sooner rather than later, he’s on the right path, and like you said, couple years, maybe even just 1 more.

            But he will learn it by playing it. Unlike our Zib, whyo has to be eased into the 2C, either way I think he will be 2C unless we get a 2C in the Spezza trade, but I think Zib will take longer to mold into a 2C than Galchenyuk will at 1C.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Based on what though? I think Galchenyuk is going to be a very good player for the record, but what makes you think he’s going to prove himself as a 1st line C before ZBad is a 2nd line C?

            Galch 2013/2014 – 0.48 PPG
            ZBad 2013/2014 – 0.48 PPG

            Galch 2012/2013 – 0.56 PPG
            ZBad 2012/2013 – 0.48 PPG

            I agree that Galchenyuk has more offensive upside than Zibanejad but to say that Galchenyuk is a special kind of player and will be a #1C before Zibanejad will be a #2C is a pretty bold statement, especially based on what both players have accomplished in their first two years in the NHL.

          • Tooks

            Gally has been playing better comp (I think, just by watching games, he’s been playing 2C/LW) and avg those #’s. Gally isnt gonna become a premier C but he will be in that 2nd group of good C’s.

            I dont think Zib will be a Premier C either and quite possibly only be a fringe 2C but a great 3C.

            Just by looking at games, Zib looks hesitant, doesnt get involved much. Gally on the other hand is very much involved in most plays, he’s a pass first guy but aint afraid to shoot and seems to be in the dirty area’s and around the net on every shift.

          • Don Ciccio

            What has Galchenyuk done differently than Zibanejad that would make you come to that conclusion because I totally disagree with you . I think Zibanejad is more ready to become a #2 than Galchenyuk is ready to become a #1. If fact I think Zibanejad is more ready to become a #2 then Galchenyuk to become a #2.

          • Deadly

            Such a typical response. Stats lie but they are pretty even despite Zbads ice time .

        • PraiseAlfie11

          MTL is always mentioned when a local franco is up for grabs.

  • Tooks

    Reply from my good friend Steve Lloyd.

    Steve Lloyd @TSNSteveLloyd Follow @Tookie2point0 Those 8 I believe are accurate. Don’t know the other 2 American teams.

    Those 8 are: CGY, VAN, EDM, WIN, FLA, NSH, CBJ, NYI

    • Doc

      Good stuff.

      You can add MTL and TOR and top of 2 ‘mystery’ American teams. Provides a clearer picture.

  • T K

    I’ve named an exoplanet “Ottawa Senators” on uwingu.com.
    I didn’t find any planets named after other Canadian NHL teams. I didn’t check all of the other NHL teams but the Sens might be the first NHL team to have a planet named after them.

    • 57gord

      Great idea. Think you could make at least the local news with this one !…and… Don’t forget to promote SensChirp while you’re at it.

      • T K

        I tweeted it to the Sens but haven’t heard any response yet.

    • FBP

      The Euge will have that thing mined dry in a month.

    • Tooks

      Thats great, now we can ship unwated players to that planet. First up Greening!
      Next on deck, Phillips.

    • boom

      I’m pretty sure Uranus was named after the leafs…

  • A-Train

    I’ve always had a hard time buying the line that Spezza can’t take the media glare. And I’ve said before Montreal would be a great fit.

    • Hax

      I agree. I don’t think he can’t handle the glare, but I do think he might want a break from it.

      • A-Train

        Who wouldn’t want a Joe Thornton lifestyle? But having lived in MTL for a while I could really see the fan base warming to him. A no look drop pass has them out of their seats…not covering their eyes.

  • Hax

    So it seems confirmed from multiple sources now that TOR and MTL are *not* on the list.

    Make the trade to TO Murray!

    • A-Train

      The average Leaf fan has mercilessly mocked Spezza over the years. That alone would be so sweet. Unlike MTL, I feel like Spezza would hear the same criticisms in Toronto that he does in Ottawa, only more often.

    • Tooks

      For who? Who would you like?

      • Doc

        Gallagher, Gorges and a pick.

        • Tooks

          I think Murray would be doing the Bergevin dance if this would happen.

          • Doc

            No kidding!

  • AutoTurris

    Here’s a question: Even if BM gets the bidding war he’s hoping for (I assume), what’s the best-case/most realistic return? My focus is who we could get from STL or ANA but broadly what caliber of player is the max?

    • Hax

      If I’m Murray I’m trying to add a defenseman to the deal to get somebody really good. Gryba if possible, Wiercioch or Cowen if needed.

      Then I target a guy like Shattenkirk out of StL or Sbisa in ANA.

      • Tooks

        Or this^, add to get something better, but the piece we add has to be good enough.

    • A-Train

      It is too hard to say what the max would be. But my gut tells me we won’t get a forward good enough to play on our first line, but could get a D good enough for our first pairing.

      • Tooks

        I would say the main piece coming back would be a 2nd line player (preferrably a centre) able to produce 40-50pts and play a 200ft game.

        OR

        A 2-3 Dman who can skate and play an overall game with a bit of offensive upside but not crucial.

        Depending on the main piece coming back the prospect and pick will differentiate.

  • Tooks

    Would really like for Murray to sign UFA Mason Raymond, he would fit in perfectly and can be had for around 3Mil.

    • FistsofNeil25

      I wouldn’t be strongly opposed to Raymond, but we have Raymond-light coming up in Hoffman. Obviously Hoffman couldn’t match Raymond’s offensive output but they’re both small, soft, fast, perimeter players.

      Think of how small we would be on the left side. MacArthur-Raymond-Hoffman on the top 3 lines and Greening on the fourth.

      • Tooks

        Thats true, I thought Raymond was a bit edgier, instead of Michalek tho, that would be an upgrade, no matter the size.

        I guess for a year or 2 have Hoffman play 3rd LW while Raymond plays 2nd LW with whoever the 2C is.

        But yeah that is a bit small but fast as hell!

    • A-Train

      A decent player, but just more clogging up the bottom 6.

      • Tooks

        Raymond would obviously play top 6, bumping Hoffman down to 3 LW.
        Cmac Turris Ryan
        Raymond Spezza trade Stone
        Hoffman Zibanejad Lazar
        Greening Smith Neil
        Condra

        • FistsofNeil25

          These line-ups just depress me. The 2014/2015 season will be a long one.

        • A-Train

          Raymond had a decent year in Toronto and Hoffman showed a little something last season. Still hoping neither are in the Senators top 6.

          • Pasky

            Agreed, I think right now having Stone in out Top 6 is all I can take, I’m thinking that the bottom 6 right now is something like this

            Hoffman-Zibanejad-Condra
            Greening-Smith-Neil

            I doubt Condra sits in the press box as he is still an efficient winger. The problem is we already have 2 4th line RW in Neil and Condra, so he looks worse than he should. If we ship out Greening to Chicago then I’m hoping for a Neil-Smith-Condra 4th line and make the 3rd line more skilled.

            Of course this will change depending on Spezza trade or Free agency. I’m think if we don’t get back a center then Zib starts in the Top 6 and Lazar will get his 9 game tryout on the 3rd line between Hoffman and someone else.

  • Mitchell

    This will go against all my banter but! With so many teams unable to pay players what they want to stay or team being able to sign anyone they’d like maybe it’s good we’re being cost effective for the future.

  • Pasky

    “The only things we’re unable to agree on are term and price – other than that we have a deal,”

    Calgary GM Brad Treliving on resigning Mike Cammalleri.

    Is it just me or is this guy out to lunch?

    • A-Train

      That’s actually pretty funny.

    • FistsofNeil25

      I enjoy his colorful answers. Just like when he called Garrioch’s trade rumor “complete fantasy island”.

    • boom

      It’s just you, sorry, I thought it was funny…

    • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

      Oh no a sense of humour

  • EK65

    Andy Strickland ‏@andystrickland 18m
    Told Jason spezza’s number one choice for a trade is to the #stlblues. Word is he believes he’s headed to either STL or Anaheim #Ducks #Sens

    Looks like the speculation was right all along. I really just want this to happen already!

    • Tooks

      Hmmm ok now we can all make up fun trades involving those 2 clubs, kill it to death!

      • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

        I still maintain Dallas is the sleeper who will jack the price up

        • EK65

          Could be a strategy move too. Two teams potentially landing Spezza in their conference (ANA)/division (STL) could scare them

          • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

            Agree, don’t doubt they’d be interested either

    • A-Train

      Where there’s smoke….

      We can only hope they each have a significant offer.

    • Andrews theory

      With all due respect to Spezza, who gives a shit what his number one choice is…

      Maybe it helps sweeten the pot if St Louis is confident in resigning him or maybe they work out a sign and trade scenario.

      Outside of that, where he wants to go should be a moot point beyond where he has dictated he wont go.

      • A-Train

        Seeing as they are not allowed to speak directly this is probably Spezza’s agent signalling to the Blues that he will sign an extension. Find it highly unlikely that Jason is a “rental” for any team.

  • Dirk-Diggler

    Trade 1: Spezza + Gryba to ANA for DSP, OTT 1st 2014, ANA 2nd 2014

    Trade 2: Methot + Prince + OTT 2nd for Letang (15% retained)

    Trade 3: Greening to CHI for 5th RD pick

    Sign M Richards for 4 year deal at $4.5 per

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    Clarke MacArthur ($3.250m) / Kyle Turris ($3.500m) / Bobby Ryan ($5.100m)

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    Mark Stone ($0.603m) / Curtis Lazar ($0.894m) / Mike Hoffman ($1.150m)

    Erik Condra ($1.250m) / Zack Smith ($1.888m) / Chris Neil ($1.900m)

    Matt Puempel ($0.863m) /

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    Jared Cowen ($3.100m) / Erik Karlsson ($6.500m)

    Patrick Wiercioch ($2.000m) / Kris Letang ($6.163m—15.00%)

    Chris Phillips ($2.500m) / Cody Ceci ($0.894m)

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  • sens_bud

    What are the thoughts on offering Vrbata a deal, maybe 3 years, 13.5 mil? Give Zibby a NHL proven right winger. If we resign Milo as well, could give Hoffman and Stone easier opponents in a 3rd line role so they can get confidence. Who knows maybe Lazar is ready to run with those two on a 3rd line. I wouldn’t mind seeing those guys develop some chemistry.

    Mac-Turris-Ryan
    Milo-Zibby-Vrbata
    Hoffman-Lazar-Stone
    Greening-Smith-Neil/condra

    • EK65

      Love Vrbata, will be drawing plenty of interest from other teams though, and Ottawa isn’t going to win in a bidding war from a money standpoint

    • Pasky

      Don’t like the idea of having 3 rookies on one line at once so either flip Milo and Hoffman, or Vrbata and Stone. Personally, if Michalek does get re-signed I’d like yo see what he can do on Lazar’s wing. Two big bodies up front could be hard for some teams to deal with.

    • JayRuN

      I like vrbata to. Very underrated. If he comes at a good price i wouldnt mind that all.

  • A-Train

    So to sum up:

    - It’s most likely STL or ANA.

    - Berglund & Bonino are the roster players those teams are building offers around.

    - Murray’s job is to play them off each other (or get another serious suitor into the mix) and raise the value of either the roster player, prospect or pick.

    • SensChirp

      Boninio not really in the picture, apparently.

      • A-Train

        From Ottawa’s perspective, or Anaheim’s?

      • Tooks

        Then all the better we get Cogs, haha Perfect 2C while Zib kills it at 3C.

    • FBP

      Have we heard anything else about Berglund’s injury/potential surgery?

    • peetypuck

      I’m not overly hopeful that Murray can get that good of a roster player from STL or ANA so it will come down to getting the best prospect or draft pick. In that case I would choose ANA to get Spezza.

  • FistsofNeil25

    To Anaheim: Spezza + Cowen

    To Ottawa: Fowler + Rakell/Etem/DSP

    I know I know…Anaheim wouldn’t trade Fowler.

    • Pasky

      You think Lindholm is dreaming bigger? If only it were possible lol

      • FistsofNeil25

        I don’t know. I think Lindholm and Fowler would be two of Anaheim’s untouchables along with Getz, Perry and Gibson.

        • Pasky

          I agree as they should be. If Cowen would have had at least a half decent season last year then maybe they would pull the trigger but not no more.

          • FistsofNeil25

            :(

      • spezzerman

        Vatanen would be a nice consolation to Lindholm.

    • Tooks

      Then why post it, you stupid?
      BTW I’m well trained!

      • FistsofNeil25

        lol because I desperately want to get a return better than Palmieri+Sbisa +24th overall even though I should know better by now.

  • SensChirp

    Here are all the entries from the ‘Predict the Spezza Trade Contest’ that have him going to Anaheim…

    • Pasky

      New Post?

      • FistsofNeil25

        refresh your page.

      • Hax

        Refresh your page to see the images

        • Pasky

          Beauty Thanks guys

    • FistsofNeil25

      I love how two people actually guessed Silfverberg Noesen and 10th overall lol

  • SensChirp

    And all the St. Louis submissions…

    • AutoTurris

      Hey I see my prediction!

      • A-Train

        I’m happy to see nobody is even close to mine. High risk, high reward. It’s my parting homage to Spezza.

        • AutoTurris

          Was it Shatty, Berg, 1st and 4th for Spez, Weir, Greening and 3rd?

          • A-Train

            No, bolder. Think of it as a no-look drop pass….

          • AutoTurris

            Mine was Steen for the rights to Gryba straight up, I think it’ll go through

          • A-Train

            All I can say is when J-Bo pulls on that heritage O (including a letter) I’ll be sipping on some sweet sweet Wisers while you all do the slow clap….

    • spezzerman

      I see nothing? Just me?

      • AutoTurris

        Refresh

  • spezzerman

    DId Bergland have that shoulder surgery or is he just letting it heal naturally?

  • FistsofNeil25

    I don’t know about you guys but I like what Anaheim has to offer a lot more than what St Louis has.

    • AutoTurris

      “And on the ninth day before the annual Summoning of the Rookie, the hockey gods bestowed upon their prophet a great vision. And to the world FistofNiel25 did proclaim the truth beyond all truths; ANA wayyyyyy fucking better than STL at this point.”

      -Gospel according to Grapes

    • Tooks

      Depends man, if Murray wants a big 2C, its Berglund all the way, if Murray wants speed and skill its Cogs all the way.

      If Murray wants a top 3 D and is willing to add for Shatty then its STL. If Murray just wants a top 4 D without adding then is ANA with Sbisa.

      Prospects I would give a slight edge to ANA with DSP, Etem, Rakell, the pick goes to ANA since they have a 10th.

      • FistsofNeil25

        continue this discussion in the new post bud!

  • SensChirp

    New post which shows all the entries in the Spezza Contest

    http://senschirp.ca/news/sens-fans-predict-spezza-trade/

  • FistsofNeil25

    Andy Strickland

    ‏@andystrickland

    Brian Campbell apparently wants out of Florida…still has two years left on contract paying north of $7 million #Panthers

    I’d take Campbell if it wasn’t for that awful contract/

    • Tooks

      Maybe they retain a bit of it? Campbell at 5.5 or 6 is good enough for me!

  • Sens613

    I don’t MM9 resigns but if he does I hope it’s around 5.5 for 2 plus production bonuses.

    Some great predicts on the trades with Ana and stl but I have a feeling it might be phx.

  • NickofTime

    They should re-sign Michalek & also re-sign Hemsky & keep Spezza for a yr to see what that line can do. But seeing how the owner is slowly going bankrupt it seems they should still keep Michalek to play with Zibanejad & Stone to create a big second line.

  • Andrews theory

    I hope someone asks Murray what he see as the short term (this year), long term (3 year) plan is at this point for the club given what they said it was 3 years ago.

    Murray always makes the most classic faces when he’s cornered or trying to be dodgy.

  • Gavin Ray

    Sign Michlek then trade him with Spezza