Maidens, Brassard Will Re-Enter the Draft

SensChirp June 2, 2014 216
Maidens, Brassard Will Re-Enter the Draft

As the Los Angeles Kings and New York Rangers get set to battle for the Stanley Cup beginning on Wednesday night, the other 28 teams have already shifted their focus to the NHL Entry Draft scheduled for June 27th and 28th in Philadelphia.

Yesterday, we found out that two Senators Draft picks will be re-entering the draft after they were not offered contracts by the organization. Forward Jarrod Maidens and goaltender Francois Brassard were both let go by the organizations and will be up for grabs in a few weeks.  Both decisions were tough ones for the Senators to make.

In Francois Brassard, the Senators are losing a 6th rounder from the 2012 Draft. Brassard appeared in 54 games with the Quebec Remparts of the QMJHL, posting a 28-12-9 record along with a 2.95 goals against average and a .909 save percentage. He was dealt to the Cape Breton Screaming Eagles at the end of last month.  With the emergence of Andrew Hammond, and Chris Driedger and Marcus Hogberg looking like legitimate prospects, there wasn’t a whole lot of room left for Brassard.

In Jarrod Maidens, Ottawa never really had a chance to see what type of player they had.

The Senators took Maidens with the 82nd overall pick in the 2012 Draft. The 3rd round selection was an obvious gamble at the time and because of a sever concussion, it just hasn’t worked out. Maidens was considered to be a first round talent but a concussion in his draft year caused him to drop dramatically on Draft Day. The Senators rolled the dice a little bit on Maidens and despite what seemed like progress over the last couple seasons, Maidens was never able to return to the ice.

Maidens hasn’t played a game since the 2011-2012 season.

With those tough decisions out of the way, the Senators shift their focus to restocking the cupboards a little bit at the draft, 25 days from now. Ottawa doesn’t currently hold a first round pick and will make their first pick in the second round, 40th overall.

They also hold picks in the 3rd (70th), 4th (100th), and 7th (190th) rounds.

  • Dirk-Diggler

    Do you know how many contracts we currently have signed?

    Assuming that the UFA’s are not signed as of July 1st…

    • Senatollah

      Was thinking that too. The NHL website has players listed that we may have ‘rights’ to, like Zubov, but I don’t think we have contracts with everyone listed. Would be interesting to see how close we are to the 50 contract limit, including those that may slide again

      • FistsofNeil25

        Players under contract:

        Forwards – Spezza, Ryan, Turris, MacArthur, Greening, Neil, Smith, Condra, Zibanejad, Pageau, Stone, Robinson, L Karlsson, Thompson, Lazar, Prince, Puempel, Dzingel, McCormick, Kramer, Culek

        Defenseman – King Karlsson, Cowen, Methot, Phillips, Wiercioch, Ceci, Borowiecki, Wikstrand, Mullen, Claesson, Rutkowski

        Goalies – Anderson, Driedger, Hammond

        RFA’s – Hoffman, Gryba, Lehner, Da Costa, Schneider, Hamilton, Blood, Dziurzynski, Cowick, Sdao, Grant, Wideman

        • Senatollah

          NHL dot com has the following other players the Sens have rights to currently for Defenseman only. Interesting bunch to say the least.

          Vitali Atyushov drafted by ottawa 2002 NHL Entry draft 9th round 276th overall. May still be playing in KHL

          Timothy Boyle – drafted by ottawa 2012 NHL Entry draft 4th round 106th overall. Union College, 21 years old

          Joe Corvo – UFA

          Tyler Eckford – UFA, Bingo

          Alex Grant – UFA, Bingo

          Sergi Gimayev – drafted by ottawa 2003 NHL Entry draft 5th round 166th overall. May still be playing in KHL

          Ben Harpur – drafted by ottawa 2013 NHL Entry draft 4th round 108th overall. Guelph Storm, 19 years old.

          Kirill Laymin – drafted by ottawa 2004 NHL Entry draft 2nd round 58th overall. may still be playing in KHL

          Dimitri Megalinsky – drafted by ottawa 2005 NHL Entry draft 6th round 186th overall. may still be playing in KHL

          Mika Stromberg. – Wow, Stomberg is 44 acquired from Quebec Nordiques. Guess he hasnt officially retired for NHL to remove him from the sens page.

          • FistsofNeil25

            What about Filatov? Do we still own his rights?

          • Senatollah

            Yup, didnt want to list forward and Goalies as they currently have 86 players listed with the sens. that would change on July 1 when those UFAs are removed.

    • FistsofNeil25

      According to capgeek we currently have 35 players under contract for next season.

  • The Apostle

    So we have 2 second round picks? How does pick 70 end up being in the 2nd round?

  • Max Power

    What a shame, I always thought jarrod was a match maidens in heaven for the sens…

    Seriously though, was really rootin for the guy… Were they actually paying the guy though?

    • sbs138

      no, he was never signed to a contract…which is why he in re-entering the draft.

  • Mitchell

    I could be wrong but don’t we lose the third and fifth round selections this year because of the Hemsky trade?

    Also can we inquire about matt frattin.

    • SensChirp

      Great point. That site may not be updated. Let me have another look

      • SensChirp

        5th rounder this year and 3rd round pick next year

    • FistsofNeil25

      One of those picks is this year and the other is next year. I don’t remember which one is which.

    • SensChirp

      Also lost our 6th this year to Minnesota for Kassian. Updated the information above

  • SensChirp

    Ah this is a little easier to follow. List of Sens Draft picks here…

    http://www.prosportstransactions.com/hockey/DraftTrades/Future/Senators.htm

    • FistsofNeil25

      So only 4 picks this year, 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 7th.

      Murray must really dislike this draft class.

      • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

        Good

        • FistsofNeil25

          Yeah it’s not a bad thing this year although it is important to ensure that the cupboards are always full of prospects. Murray and his staff have done a great job at that.

          I’m more concern about how we’re going to fill out our roster to put a competitive team on the ice next year.

          • runningbear1974

            I’m hoping for some big decisions…
            For example… I think Karlsson and Ceci are exceptional defenders… Lets build the d-corp around them… What do they each need to be successful? Get them the right partner… Then fill in the rest with the leftovers…
            So about Cowen… Does he make Karlsson better? Will he? and what about Ceci? Would he make him better? If yes, then he’s top four… Otherwise, tough decision and trade him…

            I think the key elements to our team going forward are Karlsson, Ceci, Turris, Zibanejad… (Lazar might jump up there, but he’ll have to play a game first)…
            And Lehner…

          • FistsofNeil25

            Oh yeah I definitely agree that Turris, Zibanejad, Lazar, Karlsson, Ceci and Lehner are the key players to build around. It remains to be seen whether or not Lehner can be a top end goaltender or if he’ll turn out to be just an average starting goalie.

            I think the wild card on the blueline is Cowen like you mention. If he had a bounce back season next year and starts to develop towards being the player he was expected to be, our top 4 could be very strong in a few years. If he falters, then we’re stuck searching for another top 4 guy.

            The other wild cards to me are next summers key UFA’s. Ryan, Methot and MacArthur will. I would like to see all three of these guys as part of the plan going forward but we really don’t know if any of them will stay. There’s a chance all three of them are signed to extension but it’s also possible that all three move on.

          • runningbear1974

            It would suck to lose any of those 3… It does seem each might be willing to take a small discount to play here… MacArthur is really really happy…I think Ryan too… I hope Ryan too…
            Hopefully i’m not taking those 3 for granted…

          • FistsofNeil25

            What makes you think they would be willing to take a discount though? The only argument for a player ever taking a discount is for cap reasons on a contending team. Players will take less than market value to play for a contender with a good roster. Ryan, MacArthur and Methot have no reason to take a discount to stay in Ottawa. These guys wants to get paid and they want to play for a good team. We have the cap space to sign them all, and if we want to be a good team we’ll give them what they’re worth.

          • runningbear1974

            It is my belief that once a player gets market value, he’s getting a bit too much… Market value is from the perspective of UFAs… What would anyone pay for this player? And that is higher than their actual value because some other team will pay more…
            Malkin at 10 million a year, will say 80 million team salary, so 1/8… Does Malkin do 1/8 of the work of the team? No, but he gets paid that much…
            So, that’s why i think we should always pay slightly less than market value…
            The only reason i have to believe they would accept less is because i believe they are happy… It’s one thing to be competitive, but it’s an entirely other thing to actually enjoy playing with your linemates and team… So, i’m hoping that Turris keeps those guys happy…
            And, i’m hoping Karlsson steps up his leadership in this regard… Become more fun to play with as a teammate…

          • FistsofNeil25

            You know what makes players happen? Getting paid what you think you’re worth by a competitive team. It’s not just about enjoying who you play with. Do you think MacArthur and Ryan were happy the way this season went regardless of how much chemistry they had with Turris?

            The problem is we don’t have any leverage to sign these players for below market value. We either pay up or they walk. They can be happy in many other places as well, especially if their team is winning and they’re getting paid. That’s the nature of the business.

          • runningbear1974

            That’s fine… They could be happy elsewhere… I would offer a fair price… For example… Try and get Ryan at 6 million rather than 7.5… We could argue either way what his value is…
            Also, i don’t want to deal with players who always want the maximum of their perceived value…
            I’m disappointed that Cowen tried to get the most amount possible… I don’t think every player is like that…

          • FistsofNeil25

            I agree with all of this, but it’s hard to get players totake less than market value unless we have something to offer. We need to sell Ottawa as a team that has a chance to contend within the near future. Ryan, MacArthurand Methot are all currently in their primes, and they aren’t going to signcontract extensions for below market value unless we can convince them that we
            can contend soon.

            And like you said, we should absolutely be offering Ryan around $6 000 000 – $6250 000 per season. He’s not worth a penny more than that. I posted a commentlast week about comparable players with similar production as Ryan that have signed new contracts in the new CBA.

            Wheeler 6 years @ $5 600 000

            Lucic 3 years @ $6 000 000

            Pominville 5 years @ $5 600 000

            Pavelski 6 years @ $6 000 000

          • runningbear1974

            Although… For Ryan, if he said he wanted to go play somewhere else… I would try and offer more to get him to change his mind…

          • FistsofNeil25

            How much more though? I don’t think I would offer more than
            $6 500 000 for 5 or 6 years.

          • runningbear1974

            If he insisted… I would go as high as 8… But, really reluctantly… He’s exactly the type of player i want on my team… He fits exactly what i’m looking for… If he made argument, this was his last contract, wanted 8 million for 8 years… I’d consider it… I think i’d do it… We paid Spezza, Heatley, Alfie 7 million… He’s worth about that much… But of course, would much prefer 6 million, that way we have a more balanced lineup…

          • FistsofNeil25

            If Ryan asked for $8 000 000 per year I would tell him to take a hike. Elite players make $8 000 000. Bobby is good, but he’s far from elite.

            I would trade his ass if those were his salary demands.

          • spgottawa

            Absolutely I think Ryan and MacArthur get extended. They don’t necessarily need to take a discount. The team can pay “fair value” which doesn’t mean a discount but also doesn’t mean some crazy UFA deal. Methots deal will depend on what else is going on with the Defence. They may want to see how things work out this year with Cowan , Weircoch and Ceci before committing long term to Methot.

          • runningbear1974

            What do you think fair prices for Methot, Ryan, MaArthur?

            I like Methot and MacArthur at 4million…
            And Ryan at 6 or 6.5 million…

          • FistsofNeil25

            Those numbers all look good to me. Fair value for both the players and the team.

          • runningbear1974

            That’s how i feel too… Fair deal… But on open market… Methot gets 5 million… Ryan gets 7.5 million… Not sure about MacArthur… If Redden got 6million, if Gomez got 7million….

          • jimmyjohnson

            You won’t get MacArthur at less than 5, I don’t think. He has proven way too good on this team to be so cheap (unless we give him a career contract, like 8 years by 4.25-4.5)

          • runningbear1974

            That’s too bad, i feel 5 million is a little high for him… I hope he would expect less, closer to 4 million…

          • jimmyjohnson

            Yeah, but the market for that level player is higher than $4million. Basically, you van’t sign a guy short and cheap, have him put up 55 points and be yoir 1st line winger by year two, and then get him to sign cheap again. He was a bargain last summer. Hopefully we can retain him.

          • jimmyjohnson

            They can’t trade Cowen yet when they don’t know what they’ve got. Next season will be important in figuring out what Cowen, Wiercioch, Puempel, Da Costa, Hoffman, and Lehner are. Are they guys you build around or guys you use to improve the roster?

      • Dirk-Diggler

        Ya, it’s not going to be the most exciting draft in terms of picks for us. I guess Murray will try to pick a bunch of boom or bust players with his choices. You never know 3-4 years down the line what some of these guys can turn into. I kinda hope we pick 3 d men and 1 forward.

        Also, who knows if we acquire any picks, or younger players that were drafted in the past 2-3 years.

      • jimmyjohnson

        I’ve saying this for months (not so much on here, but I’ve said it in a few posts recently):

        Take a look at the 2006 Draft and you’ll understand this draft (and why we don’t have many picks. Anything outside the top 75 (arguably top 60) is basically a non-pick and inside the top 60 is incredibly hit and miss.

  • Mitchell

    What do you all think of this?
    http://www.capgeek.com/armchair-gm/roster/20385

    Little free agent splash and cap floor

    • Dirk-Diggler

      Not a fan of that roster at all

      • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

        Agreed with you 100%…unfortunately I think that something along these lines is actually very realistic

        • FistsofNeil25

          Apart from Carcillo and D’Agostini. Murray wouldn’t waste a penny on those guys.

    • Andrews theory

      i actually barfed in my mouth

    • Mat

      I also barfed in Andrew’s Theory’s mouth…

      • Andrews theory

        didnt like that any better either…

        • jimmyjohnson

          I actually think that would be more fun

  • Dirk-Diggler

    I still hold firm that if the Sens can get Letang from Pit we will be a playoff team.

    Trade 1: Spezza and Prince for Nashville 1st and Foresberg
    Trade 2: Methot, Puempel, 2015 2nd for Letang

    • FistsofNeil25

      I still hold firm that giving up assets like Methot and Puempel and taking on Letang’s contract would cripple our team.

      We don’t need a $7 250 000 puck moving defenseman. He’s a one dimensional player. Giving up Methot for Letang would actually make us weaker defensively, and Letang wouldn’t have the same amount of offensive upside without Crosby, Malkin and Neal.

      Methot, Puempel and a 2nd for Letang is a terrible trade for Ottawa.

      • Dirk-Diggler

        I am obviously completely in the buy Letang department. I think he will be 100% injury free next season and will return to his form. His skating with the puck may be only slightly behind karlsson and PK. The 1-2 threat of Karlsson and Letang would be deadly…

        Weircioch-Karlsson
        Cowen-Letang
        Phillips-Ceci
        Boro

        • FistsofNeil25

          What makes you think he will be 100% injury free next season? He’s missed a ton of hockey in the last three seasons.

          I actually think Letang is one of the most overrated defenseman in the league. He makes a lot of bad decisions, he’s weak defensively, and Pittsburgh has even removed him from their top powerplay unit in favor of Niskanen.

          His contract is downright scary. Murray and Melnyk wouldn’t touch Letang. Not in a million years.

        • CC

          Weircioch-Karlsson

          ew.

      • Tooks

        I only agree with you with the salary bit, THAT and that alone is the reason we will not land Letang. Other than that, he makes the same mistakes that Karlsson makes and EK might be worse defensively as he doesnt play with an edge.

        Offensively, give EK a slight edge.

        • FistsofNeil25

          Yawn… people forget how solid Karlsson was defensively the year he won the Norris. He was still recovering this season and trying to get his skating and strength back to where it was before he sliced his achilles.

          You don’t need to be physical or play with an edge to be a good
          defenseman. I’m not saying Karlsson is a great defensive player, but he’s good at the very least.

          • Don Ciccio

            Agreed……Lidstrom wasn’t overly physical or played with an edge but he was so smart and always positioned in the right place.

          • Tooks

            Its not a yawn man, its serious, he’s not a good defender in his own zone.

            -30
            16 (and thats with 78pts!!)
            8
            -15 (and that with 74pts!!)

            He is super offensive, I love that, I dont really mind that Karlsson sucks on D but what the team HAS to do is get him a solid partner (NOT COWEN), Methot did well, not sure why he was taken off but a guy like him.

            With a guy like Karlsson you have to let him go, turn him loose, is he gonna

    • runningbear1974

      I vote against trade #2…

      I don’t think i would trade Methot for Letang… Puemple is such an exciting prospect… Part of the excitement is he’s been able to develop without too much attention… I’m willing to bet, he’ll be a significant player for us… He’s the first goal scorer we’ve developed…

      • Andrews theory

        I’m with RB74…
        I like Letang but giving up Methot and Puemple is a bad idea in my opinion.
        Methot is the only guy we have on our roster capable of sound defense and Peumple is likely our best pure offensive prospect.
        I like trade 1 though

      • Mat

        “The first goal scorer we’ve developed”

        What about Condra??

    • sprucesens

      1 seems like a decent return on spezza alone, let alone adding in prince. Although I like Forsberg, I don’t think that’s a big enough return for spezza and a early 2nd rounder. Prince might, and that’s a big might, have a ceiling not much below Forsberg. So spezza for a first and an upgrade in prospects isn’t that much. That would be an underwhelming trade for sure. Esepcially if Nashville resigns him. we’ll look horrible. 2nd trade is even worse. We take in 4 million in salary, and give away our best offensive prospect, and only top defensive defender, and what would certainly end up being a very high 2nd round pick, if those trades were made.

    • CC

      why would you trade a shutdown defenceman for a puck moving defenseman? who just had a stroke?? please uninstall nhl and snap that disc.

      • Dirk-Diggler

        The new NHL is all about puck control… I think that Methot is a good D man but he’s a #4 guy on most teams not a #2.

        About
        Puempel, I know he would be the first natural goal scorer that the Sens
        developed but what is he? Maybe a 20 goal to 25 goal at his max? That’s
        pretty good don’t get me wrong but isn’t a D man that can get you 50
        points and eat 25 minutes a night more valuable?

        • FistsofNeil25

          I just don’t see how it would make sense to have both Karlsson and Letang. Name one team that has had two high paid puck movers like that.

          I think it would be a lot more beneficial to the team to find a top forward to pay $7 250 000 to than a one dimensional defenseman.

          • sbs138

            the last team, that I can think of that tried, was the Flames with Dion, when he was good, and Jay-Bo, when he was a highly sought after UFA from Florida. we know how that turned out…but it might’ve been more about personalities clashing than about their play.

          • jimmyjohnson

            There’s a huge, HUGE difference between Phaneuf-Bowmeester and Karlsson-Letang.

          • sbs138

            yes, Karlsson and Letang are small, offensive minded, easy to push off the puck and don’t play great in their own zone. is this what you mean?

    • sbs138

      Letang sucks. We know you love him though. it must be his hair? We don’t need another wimpy d who can’t cover the bigger guys in front of the net…we already have Karlsson.

    • luckan20

      Spezza and Prince might get us little more than what’s being offered. Most importantly Nashville’s pick is 11th in a year, which has lesser talent to pick from.

      • jimmyjohnson

        The talent from 6-30 is pretty much the same. Check out the ’06 draft and you’ll see what I mean. There’s a Claude Giroux somewhere in there, I’m sure, but it’s mostly Derrick Brassard’s, Kyle Okposo’s, Chris Stewart’s that you’re trying to find… any time 2 or 3 goalies go in the 1st round, you know it’s a relatively weak draft class…

    • Sandy

      NO to the 2nd option… I want no part of Letang — we have him in Karlsson.

    • Deadly

      At least you are not asking for Fleury. Giving up on a pure scorer like Puemple is not recommended as they don’t come along all that often. in this case all 3 of our early drafts would be gone .(noesen,Prince and Puemple.)

    • jimmyjohnson

      Why are we adsing to the Spezza package. Even people who think Spezza is crap think that deal is a massive loss for us.

  • Dirk-Diggler

    OK this is off topic, but I wish the Sens had their own version a show like 24CH, Oil Change, The Leaf etc… It would be pretty cool to have a more gritty behind the scene look at the daily lives of the players and the organization…

    • Pasky

      I think it would give us more reason to hate Melnyk if the rumors about him are true so I doubt he would sign off on that lol

      Would be fun to see though

    • A-Train

      Well they did that “Senate Reform” series on the way to drafting Zibanejad. It wasn’t great though….

      • Dirk-Diggler

        Ya that was pretty terrible… I want a 60 minute a week show showing everything behind the scenes…

        Senate Reform was like so many things this organization spwed out recently, over hyped! I think they showed like 10 minutes of player 1 on 1′s and the gm/scouts talking about the kids… Wasn’t it like 2-3 10 minuite webisodes?

        • A-Train

          True. Did learn a few things in those one-on-ones though. I remember them quizzing each kid on how much time he spends playing video games. Was also struck (as usual) by how much more poised, put-together and well-spoken the average Scandinavian is when compared to the North American kids.

    • aegiszx

      Ive mentioned that before as well! I only follow the Hawks series 24CHI, but have watched Oil Change, Pens TV and the Leaf a few times… really great way to get not only new fans but allow for fans to have a better understanding of the players, coaches, organization.

      The Euge probably cant afford it though…

  • lbernier

    Vote for MacArthur and Hemskey on TSN play of the year!!! http://poy.tsn.ca/1-nhl2014/match/30-macarthur-vs-hemsky-vs-nyquist

    • SensChirp

      Bah! They are going to split the Sens vote. Nyquist already out to a huge lead.

      • Tooks

        1. Hemsky
        2. Nyquist
        3. CMac

        • FBP

          My list runs opposite. One millimeter off and Mac’s pass doesn’t connect. Between his legs.

      • RUSH RLZ

        This has nothing to do with fan voting. It has everything to do with fans setting up a bot network. I’m saying it for the last time,the DET fans are doing this, if we want to stand a chance we need to pick a player and get cracking!

        • Andrews theory

          sure i’m on board as soon as Hemsky re-signs….

          • The Apostle

            Play it safe and pick MacArthur. Or suggest we trade for Nyqvist and show him how much we already love him.

        • jimmyjohnson

          If you’re voting manually, you should stop.

          That’s all I’m going to say.

    • The Apostle

      The TSN play of the year thing is very high on the list of Sens related things I don’t care about. In fact, it’s just below the chances of a Sens player being on the cover of a video game.
      Now, if we can just get back to discussing unrealistic trade scenarios like we are meant to be I’ll be a happy camper.

      • Tooks

        Spezza + Greening + Cowen
        for
        Oshie, Shattenkirk, 2014 1st

    • EK65
      • Tooks

        Yep thats how its done nowadays…

    • jimmyjohnson

      I took one look at the vote totals and closed the window. We aren’t winning that race….

  • Senator forever

    With the 40th pick Ottawa selects Nicolas Aube-Kubel from Val D’Or Foreurs. I saw a little of the Memorial Cup playoffs and this kid really has wheels and ironically is rated 40 best North American prospect. Who do you think the Sens should target?

    • WaitingSince92

      That’s not irony.

  • Sandy

    Any thoughts of which NHL teams will be lining up for Paul Stastny?

    • Spoons

      Stastny spent most of his life in St-Louis. He grew up there. So I’m going to say he ends up in Florida ;)

      • Tooks

        LOL.

  • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

    Sooooo I don’t know if this is a prank or not but a buddy of mine that is a huge leafs fan just messages me all excited that they may be trading Phaneuf, Kadri to Florida for Ed Jovanoski, and their first overall pick…. If this actually happens this is absolutely hilarious

    • Sandy

      Is it the someone who knows someone scenario that he knows that from.

      Jovanoski is 37 yrs old. That makes no sense unless Jovanoski is a former teammate of Shanahan.

      • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

        My thoughts exactly

      • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

        Although the more I think about it the less I hate the deal.

        They lose Phaneuf contract… Which IMHO should be a priority. So it becomes (i would hope for the leafs sake at least) ekblad for kadri…. Which isn’t a horrible move for either team and addresses issues for both sides.

        • A-Train

          The Phaneuf rumours are just such crazy talk. How do you open up the vault for a guy on dollars and term, then try to offload 6 months later? If true, it’s lunacy. And if this is Shanahan-related, how does Nonis keep doing his job with any sense of pride?

      • Tooks

        How does it not make sense? Its would help the LEAFS ALOT! Like Tcharger said, they get rid of Dion’s contract, which had them in handcuffs. And Ekblad or Reinhart, cont go wrong there. Kadri is good but those 2 guys will be better.

        • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

          I’m going to assume that Toronto would have to maintain anywhere from 20-30% of salary as well.

          Anything less than 25% is a steal I think

        • FistsofNeil25

          How does it help the Leafs much? The rumored deal is Phaneuf + Kadri + 8th overall for Jovo and the 1st overall. So Jovanoski is obviously just a cap dump, is Phaneuf+Kadri really worth moving up from 8th to 1st?

          Ekblad and Reinhart aren’t obvious home runs. There’s no guaranteeing that Ekblad will ever become a top pairing defenseman, which Phaneuf certainly is, and who knows if Reinhart will ever even be as good as Kadri?

          I think that trade is an obvious win for Florida. The only good thing about it from a the Leafs perspective is ridding themselves of Dion’s contract which really isn’t that bad compared to a few of the other contracts they have on the books, They don’t have anyone on their roster who can replace Dion’s minutes any time soon.

          • Tooks

            Yes they are, its not a very deep draft meaning only the top 2-3 players will have an impact on the team that picks them. Ekblad can step in and play NHL right away and so can Reinhart.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Just like Adam Larsson and Ryan Nugent-Hopkins stepped into the NHL right away. Ekblad and Reinhart aren’t on the same level as MacKinnon and Jones. They’re projected to be good players but they aren’t going to be elite.

            Giving up Phaneuf+Kadri+8th overall for one of Ekblad or Reinhart would be insane. If the Leafs made that deal it would be telling us one thing, they’re trying to tank for McDavid/Eichel. It would make just as much sense as signing Carlysle to that contract extension.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Doughty/Keith/Yandle type… uhhh one of these things is not like the others…

    • WaitingSince92

      That’s just plain stupid.

    • Millennium

      http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/showthread.php?t=1683039

      The article linked in the OP is the source. Its beyond unlikely.And Toronto fans don’t seem happy with the idea, although its funny to watch all their fans who wanted to buy out Phaneuf two months ago get indignant at the idea of trading him.

  • FBP

    The Klondike bar note is hilarious. You should frame the letter with a Klondike wrapper.

    • SensChirp

      Ha. I had a pretty good laugh when that arrived in the mail. Also came with a sweet cooler bag to lug around my Klondike Bars!

  • WaitingSince92

    How many times do I have to have voted to get one of those bars, Chirp? It’s HOT outside! hahahaha

    • SensChirp

      Guys that run the TSN account messaged me saying they wanted to send me something to say thanks. Gotta admit, I was not expecting ice cream bars haha

  • WaitingSince92

    Kinda shitty of TSN to split the Sens vote, but that’s OK because Nyquist’s is clearly the best. Don’t get me wrong – Hemsky and MacArthur’s plays are truly exceptional, but that Nyquist goal…

    • Tooks

      Yeah was a beauty, haha remember 2 years ago when I said this guy would be the next Datsyuk of DET… lol.

      But I think Hemsky’s goal was sexier!

      • Andrews theory

        I don’t recall the Nyquist prediction but I do recall you declaring Gaborik a bust for LA half way through the first round.

        Let’s call them a wash lol

        • Tooks

          I dont recall calling Gaborik a bust? He was, but turned out for the best.

          • FistsofNeil25

            “LA wont go after Spezza, especially after the Gaborik failure.”

          • s3nsfan75

            Nice!!!!

  • ProfessorPower

    I hope we trade for ROR

    • Tooks

      I hope so too but be rdy to give up some major assets…

    • peetypuck

      Colorado is $24 million under the salary cap. They have plenty of room to sign everyone including ROR and Stastny.

  • Sensturion

    Unless Ottawa trades for good players, I predict it’s going to be a boring off-season Free Agent wise. http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/top-14-unrestricted-nhl-free-agents-2014-july-1-ryan-miller-thomas-vanek-marian-gaborik-matt-moulson-paul-stastny/

    No one on that list really interests me with those salaries.

    • EK65

      Dorion already said they would be very active on July 1st., I’d say your prediction will be wrong.

      • FistsofNeil25

        He was referring to re-signing Ryan, MacArthur and Methot to contract extensions when he said that.

        • EK65

          Then why would they have said July 1st?

          • Andrews theory

            They can’t extend them until that date is my understanding

          • EK65

            Ah right, I still think Dorion was talking about UFA’s this year. Trying to find the quote/clip now

          • FistsofNeil25

            No Andrew’s Theory is right. Dorion was discussing the possibility of contract extensions for our own UFA’s next season, and his quote was something along the lines of “let’s just say this, we’ll be very busy on July 1st”. July first is when they can officially sign our own guys to contract extensions.

          • EK65

            I am wrong.

          • FistsofNeil25

            It’s all good. I can’t see them being all that active with this year’s UFA class. They may try to gauge some interest in one or two bigger names like Stastny, but we’ll most likely see one bargain bin depth signing and that’s it.

            I think Murray will be more active on the trade front than free agency.

          • SensChirp

            Yup, question was about the five UFAs to be. (Spezza, Ryan, MacArthur, Methot, Anderson)

          • FistsofNeil25

            I’m going to laugh if on July 1st the team announces a contract extension for Spezza after all these rumors lol can you imagine? I know it won’t happen but it would be pretty funny.

          • MethotToMyMadness

            Well what if the Sens work out a deal with a Team on Spezza’s list, which in turn they want a signed x number of years on a decent contract in advance. We’ve all seen the sign and trades before, not unheard of.

    • Garrioch’s reliable source

      A 28 year old Stasny would be a NICE pick-up.
      But unless Uncle Eugene opens his wallet the only big
      contract signing this summer will be Bobby Ryan.

  • Cicero

    Here’s a possible roster based on a 3-way deal involving OTT, STL, and EDM.

    http://www.capgeek.com/armchair-gm/roster.php?id=20734&type=html

    Note that Sam Gagner is entering into a no movement year according to his contract. But I would like to see the Sens pursue LW David Perron anyhow. So I’m building from that acquisition.

    Summary:

    (1) Spezza and Cowen to STL for Berglund and Shattenkirk and a good pick.

    (2) Berglund and either Pageau or DaCosta to EDM for Perron and a 2015 1st, likely 2nd, round pick.

    In this roster, it is assumed that Lazar and Puempel both work their way into regular roster positions in the coming year.

    I didn’t fiddle with the salaries/contracts. Not good with numbers. :)

    • FistsofNeil25

      Perron would be a nice addition but I can’t see a scenario where they trade him. I think they’re looking to get rid of Gagner and Yakupov. He would be a nice addition though.

      • Tooks

        Yeah cant see EDM trading Perron and 1st 2015 for Berglund and Pageau, lol.

        • Jakester

          Just keep Berglund and make a trade with Edmonton for Gagner – little insurance for our Center position next year. Gives Zibby another year or two to develop.

          • Tooks

            I like Gagner actually, he would fit in nice with our group. Has good skill and works hard. Very similar player to CMac and Turris.

    • Jakester

      Just keep Berglund he’s as good as Perron, plus the size factor. Perron is a little fart.

      • FistsofNeil25

        Berglund – 436gp 106g 114a 220pts +23

        Perron – 418gp 112g 143a 255pts +29

        What makes Berglund as good as Perron?

        • Jakester

          Not much of a difference. Perron had a good year in Edmonton cuz they play loosely, not like St. Louis.

  • Andrews theory

    3 major issues that could derail the Sens mission to move Spezza;

    1) Joe Thornton – pretty similar players really

    2) Ryan Kessler -playoff contenders know that this guy brings it

    3) Paul Statsny -cost of acquisition is 0

    if I’m a serious contender, I’m looking at option 2 to push me over the hump as a second line center followed by Statsny as a consolation
    Jumbo and Giggles are likely attractive to playoff bubble teams looking get some traction and fill seats.

    • FistsofNeil25

      Eric Staal is another name that has been floating around in the rumor mill.

      The best thing that could happen for Ottawa is Stastny re-signing with Colorado, Benning announcing he won’t part with Kesler, and Thornton stating that he won’t waive his NTC.

      I think if Stastny isn’t re-signed by Colorado, St Louis and a few other teams will wait until July 1st to see if they can sign him.

      If Kesler is truly available, I expect Anaheim to go hard after him. Kesler would be a better fit for what Anaheim needs, although an offensive duo of Getzlaf-Spezza could be hard for them to resist.

      Staal has a full NTC and will make $9 250 000 in each of the next two season. He may be very difficult to move but I can see a few teams like the Leafs and Rangers being interested.

      • Andrews theory

        yes, less Centers available is going to be a huge help on the return.

        Sounds like Chicago will actually be vying for Kessler to fill the 2C role…

        I had forgotten about Staal – I really don’t think he’s the problem in Carolina though.

        NYR may buy out Richards to make space for yet another splash.

        • Sandy

          I can’t see Vancouver trading a key player like Kesler to a hated rival.
          That’s like the Sens trading Spezza to Toronto.
          Spezza and Staal west.. Thornton & Kesler to the East.
          But pretty sure the Leafs will be in on all 4. They usually are ‘supposed’ to be in the centre of every trade. LOL.

          • FistsofNeil25

            If all four of those guys are moved, I can see…

            Kesler to Anaheim

            Spezza to Nashville or Dallas

            Staal to Toronto

            Thornton to Washington or NYR

  • Doc

    ARrGg…this is going to be a very long 3-4 weeks…

    I just want some concrete information, but I know I won’t get it. Am I the only one tired of the speculation and (ridiculous or unrealistic) trade proposals?

    • bluebuyyoo

      C’mon Doc! Get on board! After reading the same shit over and over again some of it actually starts to look good. (That’s when I go for a walk :-)

      Actually, I would love to see the Sens re-sign Spezza for no reason other than some SensChirp posters’ heads would literally explode. Record setting posts would be created. Complete anarchy! Do it Murray! :-)

      • Doc

        That would be hilarious for so many reasons.

        I just hate this time of year. Draft seems soooooooo far away.

        Bah humbug.

      • Aaron 2.0

        Lol. Who knows. If nothing else, Melnyk can display some bi-polar tendencies, at least in his pressers. Maybe he’ll feel a little differently with other sources of finances looking up. Although, if reports of Spezza wanting out are true, it’s tough to see it as a possibility. And, we really do need the team to be profitable long-term. I mainly just wish that I knew what the hell goes on sometimes in the front office! To be a fly on the wall…

    • A-Train

      These are the doldrums. I enjoyed both Conference Finals, but personally I can’t wait for the offseason.

    • Zelle

      I want Sens news. Any kind of news. I want the players to come back and see how they are training and practicing. I’m getting tired of rumors and non Sens hockey talk.

      • Cicero

        How is Bobby Ryan’s hernia repair doing? Report please!

        I’d like to hear about how Jared Cowen is working on speed, balance, and stamina with team trainers in an intensive program.

        Craig Anderson was hurt mid-March. Any lingering issues? Same with Spezza (the latter may be eyes-only/classified).

        Tell us about how Erik Karlsson’s scar tissue situation is being addressed, and what hte doctor’s prognosis is. What kind of work is he doing to continue healing.

        What’s going on behind the bench? At the end of the season, weren’t there some issues around defensive and offensive coaching responsibilities?

        Are any of the prospects like Puempel and Lazar doing any training this summer under the supervision of the Sens trainers? Anything at all to indicate a trajectory to September pre-season roster play and preparation for inclusion in October?

        I’m sure you folks have a wish list as well.

        It’s early for answers to most if not all of these questions, perhaps, but this is the kind of news I’d be happy to read while counting the days to next season.

        • Zelle

          I would be happy if they answered even one of these great questions…

  • Doc

    Atta boy, Murray. Stick to your guns.

    • FBP

      “the price he paid to get Bobby Ryan.” Maybe he is using Dreger to demand Silf, Noesen and our first back.

      • Doc

        Why would he want that?

        • FBP

          Why wouldn’t he?

          • EK65

            Noesen injured most of the year, Silf didn’t exactly blow anyone away with 23 pts. 10th overall pick in a shallow draft year

          • FBP

            It’s literally what he asked for.

          • FistsofNeil25

            He’s asking for a package of similar value, not Silf, Noeson and our first back… and the only person that “uses” Dreger is Dave Nonis lol

          • Doc

            Yeah, this is the type of non-sense I was talking about earlier…

            *sigh*

          • FBP

            I understand, but that would not be “the price” he paid to get Ryan. I’m talking Rhetoric here due to boredom.

          • EK65

            No. He said that they had to pay the price he paid to get Ryan. Not the exact players, a similar package. 1st round pick, roster player, prospect

          • EK65

            Plus, it just adds to that annoying thought for a GM of revisiting the value he got for a past trade. The reporters would have a field day comparing the trades, and shitting on one GM for getting shafted

          • Doc

            Cause he traded them away last year? Nevermind the Duck’s side of this, what sense would this make?

            I don’t get some posters infatuation with ex-Sens players.

          • WaitingSince92

            You mean like how I think Silfverberg is a great, underrated player who will continue to improve?

            It’s not like I’m talking Foligno, Vermette and Todd White…

    • sprucesens

      the bottom line is we aren’t getting a bunch of 3rd and 4th liners back. We will get a good young player that has already proven to be effective in the nhl. Depending on HOW proven he is, we then either add a very good prospect and a 1st, like murray wants, or if the initial player is a top player, it will likely just be a pick, and maybe not in the 1st. We aren’t trading him for scraps. Worse players have gone for more at the deadline as rentals. While we aren’t necessarily getting a calder trophy winner or even candidate, it will be a few very strong young pieces to build on. I guess its fairly wide open to the entire public now, that spezza is available and will be traded. I think at least this time, its handled correctly, at least so far (excluding the sun) and we aren’t making him public enemy #1.

    • Tooks

      Nobody will pay the price we payed for Bobby…
      Bobby is younger, no injury issues, 4 time 30 goal scorer, friendly contract.

      • EK65

        Spezza is a consistent point per game player. Bobby is a career high pt per game player. Averages ~50. Spezza makes plays around him happen, Bobby is a great goal scorer. They both have their merits

        • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

          Ryan is WAY more than just a great scorer… That was Heatley, I would take 100 Ryan’s before I’d take one Heatley.

          Ryan plays a tough 3 zone game while scoring

          • FistsofNeil25

            Are we talking about Heatley in his prime vs Ryan in his prime? If so, it’s not even close. Heatley was a 50 goal scoring 100 point winger.

            Heatley had two 50 goal season, two 41 goals seasons and two 39 goal seasons.

          • EK65

            Ryan is mainly a goal scorer. You can see it by his goal/assist totals. Spezza is a great passer, hence his high assist totals. You don’t have to be a genius to figure it out. Ryan = goal scorer + (some) defensive play. Spezza = goals + assists – defense.

            If Spezza and Ryan were on equal contracts, of equal age, etc. I would take Spezza over Ryan, hands down.

            Ryan is an amazing player, but his stock is boosted by age, his contract status, etc.

      • FistsofNeil25

        Bobby may be younger, he may not have injury issues but he has fitness concerns, Spezza’s a 4 time 30 goal scorer just like Ryan, and also has a friendly contract.

        Spezza’s a better player than Ryan, it isn’t close really. His injury history and one year remaining may bring his trade value down, but its not like Silverberg+Noeson+1st rounder is a premium package anyway. We’ll get something close to that value.

  • Sandy

    Still can’t see Colorado as a destination for Spezza.. They really don’t need him.
    Anaheim will need a centre.
    Chicago needs a 2nd line centre.
    Nashville needs him..
    Phoenix needs him.
    Of those 4 Chicago needs to dump salary prior to the 2015/16 season..
    So crazy trade — either Sharp/Hossa and for taking the salary of one of those — get either Kruger/Ben Smith. That’s it.
    If they are intent on keeping both Sharp & Hossa — then get Bryan Bickell and one of Kruger/Ben Smith and a 2015 first round pick. Chicago’s 2014 first round pick is basically a 2nd rounder this year and just about useless. Bryan Murray then gets the tough 3rd line player he wants and one of two good young players.
    Chicago can fit Spezza in this upcoming season. To play on a true contender Spezza may take a discount to stay the following year. Toews & Kane both need new contracts going into 2015/16.

    • FistsofNeil25

      Just don’t see Chicago as a fit as well. They’re better off keeping Sharp and Hossa and trying out Teravainen as their second line center next year. Like you said, Not only would they have to clear cap space to add Spezza (Hossa or Sharp) but they also need to re-sign Toews and Kane to big deals. Spezza will have a higher cap hit than either Hossa and Sharp. It just doesn’t make sense for them to add another big contract.

      Yes they need a 2nd line center, but the situation isn’t dire enough to unload Hossa or Sharp to add another player of Spezza’s caliber. They a lucky bounce away from making the Stanley Cup Final once again. Their core players are all in their prime, they have young players that are just beginning to scratch the surface (Saad, Leddy) and more help along the way Teravainen, Clendening, Morin)

      Hossa also makes $7 900 000 in each of the next two seasons. Think Melnyk wants to pay that?

      • Sandy

        Didn’t check the Hossa salary.. that’s out of Melnyk’s budget..
        But IMO they will have to trade, within the next couple of seasons, either Hossa or Sharp.
        Toews & Kane will get close to 8M+ in their next contracts and in two seasons Seabrooke comes up for a new contract..

        • FistsofNeil25

          Yeah they’ll definitely have to make some changes. Saad is a RFA next summer as well and he will be getting at least $4 000 000 per season.

          I think they will take another run at the cup next year with pretty much the same roster they have now, and then look to unload one of Sharp/Hossa and perhaps Bickell as well.

      • Andrews theory

        I could see Chicago unloading Oduya and Sharp or Bickell to free up the space to retain Toews, Kane and add a second line center

        3.375
        5.9 / 4.0

        Pretty sure Kane wants to play with a legitimate center

  • Rafi Bomb

    So based on Dreger’s comments and the teams that could be interested in Spezza, these are my projected returns:

    Anaheim
    Devante Smith Pelly, Emerson Etem and 1st

    Chicago
    Andrew Shaw, Mark McNeil and 1st

    Columbus
    Boone Jenner, Kerby Rychel and 1st

    Dallas
    Valeri Nichushkin, Jamie Oleksiak and 1st

    Phoenix
    Martin Hanzal and Max Domi

    • FistsofNeil25

      Those trades all have different value. Give me the Dallas or Columbus deals! I think Nichushkin is definitely untouchable.

      • Rafi Bomb

        I was basing it on the concept of a young forward who is playing in the NHL, a prospect with high upside and a 1st round pick. I wasn’t sure whether Murray is looking for the same type of return or something of similar value such as a well established roster player and a solid prospect.

      • Andrews theory

        I’d trade Spezza for Nichushkin straight up to be honest lol

    • Garrioch’s reliable source

      Saint Louis ?

      • Rafi Bomb

        The only pieces that are interesting from the Blues are Backes, Oshie, Shattenkirk, Schwartz and Tarasenko. A lot of fans feel that either the Blues are unwilling to move those players or Spezza doesn’t have enough value to attain them. That is why I left them off the list, as anything else offered simply wouldn’t be sufficient.

    • Billy Bob

      Oh man, if that Anaheim deal happened, I would be so pumped

      • Billy Bob

        I would even just take those two without the 1st to be honest.

      • Rafi Bomb

        That is my preferred trade. Etem and Smith-Pelly are exactly the types of young players we should be looking for.

    • Jakester

      Columbus and Dallas you’re dreaming, most of the others too. Anaheim might cuz Etem seems to be stagnating a bit.

      • Rafi Bomb

        What do you think a more realistic return from Dallas and Columbus would be?

        I am basing this off of Dreger’s comments so if some teams aren’t willing to make a serious offer, then Murray won’t be making a deal with them.

        • Jakester

          Well Nichuskin and Jenner are really valuable. I really like Jenner, if I was the GM Of those two teams I don’t make that trade for Soezza. If Murray was smart he would drop the need for a first. Then maybe you have something!

          • Rafi Bomb

            Ok, that makes sense then. I don’t think the 1st is as important as getting two solid prospects/young players back.

          • Jakester

            Then we can send off Cowen and a couple of our prospects for a good forward or D-man. Or a Q4Q trade of our own. Lots will happen, Sens have too many bodies.

    • Sandy

      All of those 1st should be in 2015…

      • Andrews theory

        Except for Anaheim (we’ll take our own first back please)

    • Andrews theory

      Haha if I’m Anaheim, I’m starting the conversation with you can have Silfverberg and Noesen as well as next years first

      • Andrews theory

        Yikes just saw the grief below for a similar comment lol

    • Andrews theory

      I think Domi is a boom or bust player

      Could hit a home run or strike out completely there

    • Jordan

      I see anaheim going the kesler route. Dallas’ prospect cupboard is bare so i doubt that. St. Louis i really doubt. Pheonix florida edmonton chicago i see as the best spots.

      • Rafi Bomb

        You might be correct in your assessment. Here are the players that I would be targeting from those teams:

        Phoenix
        Martin Hanzal, Max Domi, Henrik Samuelsson and Michael Stone

        Florida
        Jonathan Huberdeau, Aleksander Barkov, Nick Bjugstad, Erik Gudbranson, Dmitry Kulikov

        Edmonton
        Taylor Hall, Nail Yakupov,Darnell Nurse, Mitch Moroz

        Chicago
        Andrew Shaw, Brandon Saad, Niklas Hjalmarsson, Ryan Hartman, Philip Danault, Mark McNeill

        Overall I don’t see either Florida or Edmonton offering any of the key pieces I listed above or that Spezza has much interest in playing there so both teams are pretty much a no go.

        We could probably get a decent return from Chicago or Phoenix but I don’t necessarily think they will offer much higher then what we could get from Anaheim or Dallas. I could still see a trade scenario where we end up with a more established player such as a trade with St Louis (Backes, Oshie or Shattenkirk) or Winnipeg (Kane, Ladd or Byfuglien).

        Do we know which teams Spezza won’t go to?

        • Jordan

          Ya that is true. Id really like to snag bjugstad from florida.

          So bjugstad, kulikov and theyre 2nd for spezza and wiercoch?

          I highly doubt they give up thier first.

          • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

            If it is a 2nd this year who freaking cares…. But I don’t yet again see why we are throwing wiercioch

    • Tony

      I think Valeri Nichushkin, and 1st might be doable for both clubs… forget about Oleksiak though… we might have to throw in a later pick even to get Valeri.

      To me Nichushkin is exactly what Murray is discribing what the club needs… a 6’4″ tank who can skate with the best. If you’ve seen him play teams even have a hard time double teaming him at times. He also switches gears so fast, defenders have a hard time reading him…. and he’s actually a “shot first” type of guy, something that we dearly need.

      If that list was actually Murray’s list of offers… you have to zero in on the best player available (if you’re dealing Spezza) and Nichushkin is it. Just dont expect to get anything more then him and a pick (with another pick going back to them).

  • Andrews theory

    Apparently Grabovski is the Bo Jackson of hockey/ soccer

    Not sure I’d be risking my hockey career to play soccer

  • Rafi Bomb

    So here is Dreger’s full quote “The Spezza watch is on full alert. I know that Bryan Murray is telling teams that he wants a similar package to what he had to pay to acquire Bobby Ryan from the Anaheim Duck – so you’re talking about a pick or picks, you’re talking about a player or players and a prospect or prospects. That’s kind of the market dialogue that’s happening right now.”

  • Zelle

    I’ll only be upset if one of two things happen: Spezza gets traded to a divisional rival or what comes back for Spezza is only prospects and picks and no proven NHL player.

  • Zelle

    5.5mil per year that seems pretty steep no?

    • WaitingSince92

      Decent term on a contender and I bet he’d take less. Remember, this is the price he’s advertising…

      It’s pretty sad we can’t (won’t) afford to pay people their market value. Not really talking about Hemsky here, but just in general.

      • Sandy

        Because the Sens commitment is now to save the Owner money and not win a Stanley Cup. How a team that spends so little on it’s players (compared to most other teams in the NHL) expect to make the playoffs let alone win — they are delusional.

  • SensChirp