Lazar a Hero at the Memorial Cup

SensChirp May 24, 2014 340
Lazar a Hero at the Memorial Cup

Fans in Ottawa are starting to get excited and with good reason.  Edmonton Oil Kings forward and Sens prospect Curtis Lazar continues to make a name for himself and the legend of Lazar grew larger last night at the Memorial Cup.  Lazar scored the winner in triple overtime, ending the longest game in Memorial Cup history and sending his Oil Kings to the final in the process.

The Senators organization is extremely high on this kid and with good reason.  Ottawa grabbed Lazar with the 17th overall selection in 2013 Draft although a number of other teams apparently had interest.

He turned some heads at last year’s training camp and is expected to come in and compete for a spot with the Ottawa Senators as early as next season.  Lazar was Canada’s best forward at the World Juniors last year and has been grabbing a ton of headlines since then.

Here’s a look at last night’s overtime heroics from Curtis Lazar. You can see full game highlights here.

Do you expect Curtis Lazar to be in the Ottawa line up on Opening Night next season?

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  • CUP 2014-15

    Outstanding for Lazar and the Sens. Some players just have that ability to get the big goal. He is one and I can’t wait to see him in a Sens sweater.

  • The Apostle

    i’m sure some will be unimpressed. Tookie probably thinks that if this kid was a real player he would have scored the winner earlier.

    • I’m just sayin’

      hee hee

      have you ever noticed that when the Habs lose the Tookie
      bashing of Ottawa players is huge the next day ?

    • Hax

      Tookie is still around? I guess my home-made ignore feature is working wonders.

  • Mat

    Can’t answer the question above. I think the answer is: He will crack the lineup, then will be sent down, and pending Bingo performance, Sens performance and injury situation will come back later in the year.

    • FBP

      I would like to discuss betting forty beers with you that this won’t happen.

    • Dirk-Diggler

      I don’t think he can be sent to Bingo next year. I don’t think he’s age eligible. It’s either back to the Oil Kings or the Sens. Kinda crappy as I believe he should put in a whole season with the B Sens and grow with the other kids down there.

      But, if he makes the NHL next season I am guessing he will get sheltered minutes.

      • spgottawa

        He can play up to 10 games in Ottawa before being sent back to junior. So my guess is that he gets those games in if he has a good camp – en it’s the big decision because if they don’t send him back to junior he has to stay with the big team for the rest of the year…

        • Hax

          Technically the 10th game means he’s burned a year on his ELC I think. And (again, I think) he can go back to junior at any time but since they’d have already burned that year they’d likely keep him up with the NHL team.

    • Harv

      He is not “age appropriate” for Bingo. I always wanted to say that. Really, he is too young for the AHL. Ironically, he is not too young for the NHL making a mystery of the age rules in both leagues. Super impressed with his poise in the Memorial Cup and not sure what the nay sayers from from this kid. He looks like he has a ton of skill, plays both ways and has heart, lots of heart. I think he starts with the Sens next year and will have to be really ineffective to go back to Edmonton.

      • Zelle

        It’s some weirdo rule for Canadians playing in the AHL. If he was European or something then he’d be allowed to play in Bingo.

    • zigomanis

      I think he definitely makes the team out of camp (if he earns it), if they win the memorial cup. Otherwise I could see Murray sending him back to junior for another crack at the cup

  • Mat

    “Fans in Ottawa are starting to get excited and with good reason”

    Chirp, most of us were excited back in December/January… ; )

  • Sensturion

    Management hasn’t been very impressed with him this post season. He took his game to another level during the regular season, but he’s been average at best in the playoffs according to Dorion.

    • spgottawa

      “GM Bryan Murray told reporters last month that the 19-year-old “looks like a ready-made NHLer.”
      From the National Post

      • Sensturion

        I guess you didn’t listen to Dorion’s interview this week.

  • ghost of Moose Vasko

    ROCK STAR LAZAR

    A heart and soul player – every team wants a couple of these guys

  • Hax

    Yeah I think he’ll get his 9 games in Ottawa then go back to junior. Let’s not rush this kid. Though if we don’t get another top 9 center to replace Spezza then maybe he stays and plays 3C?

  • A-Train

    Shades of Zibanejad’s golden goal. Having that kind of winning pedigree can’t be a bad thing.

    My personal preference is that he stays another year in junior. I don’t buy the argument that this will stunt a player’s development. If Lazar is a future NHL stud, let him keep playing the big-minutes, big-responsibility game he’ll get in the WHL and the World Juniors.

    As for what the org will actually do….I have to say I don’t have a clue. The Sens of old were pretty good about holding blue chip prospects back. But these are different times for the team and the sport in general.

    • Sandy

      If they need to ‘fill the roster’ then they keep him.
      He’s getting lots of experience this season is pressure situations with the WJC and the WHL playoffs and now the Memorial Cup…

      • Hax

        Conversely, if they need to ‘reach the cap floor’ they’ll send him to junior and pay an aging vet $3M.

    • Millennium

      The counter arguement to that is how much more is he going to learn/develop playing again 16-yr olds whose play style and physical stature resemble nothing of the NHL. More of the same isn’t the same as continued development. Development needs to be about growing and evolving his game to match the increased quality of competition.

      Its a tough situation and I wouldn’t be surprised if he landed in either league; there are good points to both sides of that arguement.

      • sbs138

        not many 16 year old playing junior, but I get your point. he will though, get tonnes of minutes, first line duties for Canada at WJC, and most likely, be named captain of the Oil Kings.

  • peetypuck

    Another feather in the cap for Bryan Murray and the scouting staff.

  • SENSible Voice

    The kid still has zits on his face. He’s really not ready for the NHL in all seriousness. The only reason there’s discussions about him making the team next year is because the Sens have so many holes on their roster. We wouldn’t be having this discussion if the team was a perenial playoffs contender.

    • Millennium

      Well there’s little point talking about what our roster would be if we were a different team. It only makes sense to debate the roster we have, not the one we wish we had.

      And I disagree. Its not just hometown fans who think he’s ready for a shot, its all kinds of places around the league that say he’s the most complete prospect not playing the NHL. I think he would absolutely get a look on most teams in the league next year. Especially considering his situation, and not being eligible for the AHL. Either you give him another year of the WHL where he probably won’t develop as much as is worth a full year, or you give him baby steps in the NHL with sheltered minutes and matchups, with strong responsible linemates to help him. If he was AHL eligible, this would be a whole different conversation. He’s start there out of camp, and maybe earn a callup midseason.

    • Sandy

      Lots of ifs ands or buts there.
      If Muckler was never GM for the Sens.. they would probably still have Chara, Hossa and probably added Marc Staal or Anze Kopitar.. instead of Brian Lee.
      3 of those players would have had a different impact on the Sens..
      The Sens will have to build from within or gain players via trades.. as prime UFAs don’t consider Ottawa.. let alone Canada as their destination.

      • SENSible Voice

        Woah! Speaking of IFs… You took my comment and ran with it. My opinion is not based on alot of assumptions. All I am saying is that an 18 yr old is not normally part of the immediate future of a team unless he is drafted in the top 3 or 5 overall. The fact that he is is more of an indictment of our current roster.

    • WaitingSince92

      Regardless of whether he’s ready or not, acne is a poor indicator either way…

  • Phil.

    As mentioned previously, the questions should be: Do you think Lazar will play 10 games in the NHL next season.
    Answer: I am voting no.

    • SensChirp

      I said on Opening Night. Answer the dang question haha

      • Phil.

        I see how it is, you think you can choose the question just because it’s your site:
        Yes, Lazar will be part of the Opening Night roster

    • The Apostle

      what should be the other question?

      • Phil.

        I think you mean other question or questions. I had several in mind but now I don’t feel like sharing.

  • spoons

    ottawa takes must be one of the most patient teams with their prospects so I say no

  • Sandy

    I agree Chirp that Montreal players do a lot of yapping to the media.
    What did Prust say last series? The Habs were not going to stoop down to the level of the Bruins.. or something to that effect. Well at least the Bruins didn’t break anyone’s jaw.
    It’s like have 30 Crosby’s on the team.. whine.. whine.. whine.. No rispeck.

  • sens6

    I really hope lazar cracks the line up this year , Trade spezza ,rights to hemsky to Nashville acquire Wilson, spaling, hutton or Wilson, hutton ,jarnkrok , 3rd rd pick . Just putting my 2 cents doesn’t mean its gonna happen but this team would look nice and under the cap since we have a rotten owner
    mac-turris-ryan
    kulemin-zibby-jarnkrok
    glencross-Wilson-lazar
    greening-smith-condra
    karlsson-methot
    cowen-gilbert
    ceci-weircoch
    lehner
    hutton

    • sprucesens

      Where is hoffy, stone and Neil, Phillips, gryba, Anderson

    • http://www.Merchaholic.ca Merchaholic

      Wtf is this? An NHL 14 HUT team?

      • sens6

        This team is gonna look very different come training camp, I just shot out some players doesn’t mean it will look that way Mr. Merchaholic . I really hope the spezza trade works in our favor. He was never a captain , An elite talent he will always be but with a nice core of young guys , he’s not a guy you rebuild your team around . Who do you think our next captain will be or will we roll with three Assistants .

        • http://www.Merchaholic.ca Merchaholic

          Not really sure anymore man. This organization is throwing so many curve balls at us lol. I would think it’s a toss up between Phillips and Neil but who knows what they do.

          • sens6

            I love neil and Philips but they are done , Its not 2007 anymore , The murrays and staff saved our team since drafting in 2008 . We gotta move on its ridiculous how like this team is still stuck in 2007 . Were considered to have one of the best prospect pool but yet theyre all stuck in bingo . spezza , michalek and hemsky are all goners so should neil and greening . Hopefully we trade all 3 before free agency get something in return . I wouldn’t take a chance on hemmer 12 year career and only one full season , surprised he didn’t get injured in his little showcase with spezza , that was to boost spezzas value come draft day .

    • sbs138

      whose jarnkrok?

      • sens6

        Nasville prospect acquired from Detroit , Assuming we make a trade with them . I really enjoy watching the Swedish rookie

  • Sandy

    For what it is worth.. saw these comments on another site.

    “Melnyk’s Trimel stock is doing pretty good. It was under 0.3 a month ago and now at 0.73. Once they get the FDA approval it may rocket.”

    “Approval is expected in “late May”. Here we are a week away from the end of the month and the stock is popping.”

    Any increase in stock prices for his other companies may help loosen the purse strings for the Sens… Fingers crossed.

    • peetypuck

      Let’s hope so. He seems to be on a good run right now. The Sens value jumps to $380 million, he gets a great TV deal from TSN and now Trimel stock prices ready to jump. A few hundred million $$ more in profits might finally cheer him up.

    • Millennium

      It makes my heart sad that fans in Ottawa are reduced to watching stock prices to find out if they will have a good team next year. Its so hard to cheer for this team sometimes.

  • lbernier
    • runningbear1974

      kadri is getting a lot of votes at the moment

      • RUSH RLZ

        If you guys wanna help, let me know.

    • RUSH RLZ

      They just unleashed a massive attack, Mac us dropping like crazy, we need clicks guys.

  • Richard Gough

    I think I know who is going on the back of my new Jersey

  • thepez

    Let Lazar start the season here in Ottawa. He plays 9 games and then is sent back to junior. He captains the national junior team to a gold and gets even more big game experience. There is no rush but as many have said he is future captain material.

  • Jakester

    He will definitely be on the opening night roster and will play way more than 9 games next year!

  • ProfessorPower

    in my lineup he would play 3rd line RW with Zibanejad

    Macarthur-Turris-Stone
    Stewart-Richards-Ryan
    Clifford-Zibanejad-Lazar
    Hoffman-Smith-Neil

    • sens6

      I definitely wouldn’t acquire Richards even with salary retained , He’s been on the decline , I really like the 3rd line looks sweet

  • RUSH RLZ

    Wow, social media rilly works, nice rally for MacArthur right now, we need it to win this! http://poy.tsn.ca/1-nhl2014/match/27-macarthur-vs-kadri

    • Sandy

      I’ve done 2 different stints today in the vote.
      Taking a break to eat.. then I’m going to do it all the while watching the Hawks & the Kings.

  • Sandy
  • Sandy

    What I have done for voting is to open two tabs and just go back and forth.. so I get 2 votes every 5 sec… Speeds it up for sure… For those more fast of hand you could setup more tabs..

    • jimmyjohnson

      I’m not sure if I lack the intelligence or just the concern, to come up with a plan like that.

      • Sandy

        It wasn’t my plan. I saw someone else mention it on another site… He had 8 tabs going.. crazy..

        • RUSH RLZ

          Nicely done, I’ve been doing this on my own accord since Thursday, didn’t realize anyone else like the other poster mentioned were doing this but, the frequency of voting out of Leafs nation, I guarantee people were doing this too.

          I had 15 tabs open as shown, on three different PCs with a macro running to record my mouse movements and loop them. I put in at least 100K of the MacArthur votes. :) We’ll need more bodies for future rounds.

  • Sandy

    I wish those Kings fans would stop pounding the f’in glass. It’s so annoying.

  • FistsofNeil25

    Karlsson spent one year in Sweden after he was drafted before playing the majority if the next season for Ottawa.

    Ceci played one year of junior after being drafted before playing the majority of this season for Ottawa.

    Zibanejad returned to Sweden for one season before playing most of last season in the NHL.

    Cowen spent two years on junior before making the Sens full time. He probably should have played a season or two in the AHL as well.

    What this shows us is that Ottawa isn’t shy about throwing their 19 and 20 year old first round picks into NHL roles. Karl, Ceci and Zibanejad all spent some time at first in the AHL first but that isn’t an option for Lazar next year.

    Where Lazar stands out from the players listed above is how mature his overall game is. Most people seem to think he’s NHL ready so I suspect we’ll see him in Ottawa next season unless he has a poor training camp.

    Tons of 18, 19 and 20 year old players play in this league every year. It’s not a big deal. Lazar will be one of them.

    • Jakester

      Lazar’s game to me resembles that of another guy who started real young, and his junior Numbers are much better, Gabriel Landeskog. Both play a responsible hard game.

    • Cicero

      I’m late to the discussion, but I thought I’d also add here that all the young players you mention FoN25 need an exemplar youth leader to identify with and model themselves after, and Lazar allegedly has the stuff to fill that role. Jakester, your comparison of Lazar to Landeskog is exactly what we need, and I hope you’re right bro.

      The Sens are in a leadership crisis and have been since Alfie’s departure. During the shortened lockout season, the year of the Pesky Sens, Paul Maclean leaned on Alfie for leadership: “The two years I’ve been here in Ottawa, [Alfredsson's] been a great help to me,” head coach Paul MacLean said recently. “We have conversations all the time about our team, how we’re playing, what’s going on. He’s been a tremendous help for me.” [Source: the ironically titled CBC Sports article, “Senators confirm Daniel Alfredsson to play in 2013-14″ http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/nhl/senators-confirm-daniel-alfredsson-to-play-in-2013-14-1.1300945

      Now with Spezza’s departure growing from rumour into a serious possibility, the Sens’ leadership crisis worsens.

      If Lazar is the kind of character he’s touted to be, I think he’ll grab the opportunity to step into the void on the Sens. No, he won’t be an insta-Captain, but on the ice and on the locker room, I think he’ll assert himself as a leader — particularly for the youth. I can see players rallying around him, with Zibby, Stone, Hoffman, Ceci, Cowen, Da Costa, Pageau (pending their return) and even Karlsson all looking to Lazar as someone who embodies the chemistry that makes a leader.

      I don’t think there’s any abnormal pressure on Lazar in such a scenario. He’s simply the right character and skill set at the right time. I think he’d happily jump at the chance to fill the void.

  • jimmyjohnson

    Even without Spezza, Michalek, and Hemsky, our forward depth looks like this:

    Mac-7-Bobby
    Hoff-Z-Stone

    Greening-smith-Neil
    Condra-Pageau

    Then you add in whatever return the Spezza trade brings in, Da Costa if he re-signs, and the Bingo guys pushing for an opportunity (namely Grant, Prince, and Puempel).

    I’m not implying that there isn’t room for Lazar, but there are a lot of players currently ahead of him on the depth chart. He could easily force their hand, but with so many unknowns in the lineup, how can they make that decision when he could just as easily head back to edmonton and benefit as much, if not more from the added development time.

    My point, I guess, is that unless he comes and blows everyone away, it’s in the organization’s and the player’s long term best interest to send him back. I’m not 100% convinced I’m right, but I think there’s some merit to this notion.

    • FistsofNeil25

      Going back to junior won’t necessarily be best for his development. People say he should go back to Edmonton an dominate next year but he actually dominated this year. You wouldn’t know it by his offensive numbers, but that’s because he sacrfices offense to be a better all round player. That’s not something you can say about the majority of players when they’re his age, and that’s exactly why a lot of people consider him NHL ready. He may not have anything left to gain by going back for another year of junior.

      There may not be room on the depth chart for him right now but of he shows he’s ready this summer at rookie camp and training camp, Murray will make room for him. Lazar is more important to the long term success of the team. Condra, Greening, Da Costa etc are expendable for a guy like that.

      • jimmyjohnson

        I totally agree that he’s an important prospect and he might be better off on an NHL roster next season.

        But…

        The fact that he didn’t dominate (totally, on the scoreboard) is precisely why he might be better off being stuck for another season. The game will slow down for him at this level, just like the NHL will slow down for him in his mid-to-late 20′s. Knowing what to do with that extra time can mean the difference between a 65 point peak and a 75 point peak, and could very well extend his production deeper into his career.

        It also should be considered that the rough and tumble game he plays will wear on him greater at the top level. An extra year of development and strengthening can also mean a longer career.

        I think saying that he will absolutely benefit more from playing in the NHL next year is definitely incorrect (not that you said that). If he uses the time right, it could be the best thing for him. And for the org, it gives them time to find out what they really have in Z, Stone, Pageau, Hoff, etc.

        Again, I’m not sure that it’s right, but I’m definitely leaning in favour of him heading back to junior. Until I see him at camp proving his place, I’m going to stick to that opinion, I think; regardless of what talk comes from the org and media this summer about how he’s “training every day and putting on weight, working with the trainers, etc.” and from the fans who see him at dev camp and are absolutely convinced he’s ready. They may be right (and he might be by the fall) but he’s had a very long year, he has a very short summer ahead, and he is still a young body.

    • sprucesens

      Yeah, I’m of the same thought. While he may not need another year in jr, he will not benefit in Ottawa if he is playing with Neil, greening, condra, smith. And chances are high he will be with 2 of these. Although I think he will get his 9 games, I suspect we need to test other ?’s. If the choice ends up between him and puemple, de costa, pageau, I think the others beat him. Not because they are better, but because we need to know what we have with them, and they have developed more time wise, and paid their dues. We know lazar is going I be on the team someday, but we aren’t sure on where the other 3 might fit with turris and Zib in the picture

      • jimmyjohnson

        I suspect 9 games is a given, based on what I saw from him in the preseason (and obviously, what he’s done since). I hope that if he’s sort of ready but not clearly making an impact that they are prudent and send him back. Very few teens should play in the NHL Imo.

  • Cicero

    Do you enjoy beating the Leafs while they’re down? 2.5 hours of ground and pound clicking left http://poy.tsn.ca/1-nhl2014/match/27-macarthur-vs-kadri

    • Millennium

      Oshie and Tatar will be the finalists because St Louis and Detroit fans are running super intense clicking-macro campaigns to get their players through. Oshie consistently gets hundreds of thousands of votes more than the other players. Its a farce.

      • RUSH RLZ

        1 – we just pounded in enough votes that we would have beat Tatar last round!

        2 – as I described in the topic below, I ran a MacArthur campaign of my own across three PCs 24×7. It couldn’t be much easier to set up and I would love more help, especially in the finals against probably Oshie.

  • Sandy

    Both Gallagher & Briere question the severity of the Stepan injury since he jumped up after the hit and wanted to get into a fight..

    The guy had surgery and had a metal plate put in his jaw to stabilize it. I would think it’s a pretty serious injury… morons.

    And get this latest:

    Therrien’s quote for those who missed it (translated):

    “We expect Brassard to play & know exactly where he’s injured. Hockey’s a small world.”

    Shouldn’t the NHL question that comment? It was made publicly and is more or less putting a bounty on Brassard..
    If he does get re-injured and he is targeted.. that should warrant a suspension for Therrien.
    I guess the theory of the Habs is.. injure their key players and we stand a chance to win….
    I’m really beginning to hate the Habs more than the Leafs and that says something.

  • Sandy

    Someone posted this on anther site…

    Brooksie is all up in arms:
    http://nypost.com/2014/05/24/therrien-threat-demands-review/

    The NHL, which came up small in its response to Brandon Prust’s jaw-breaking late hit on Derek Stepan in Game 3 with a sentence that would allow No. 8 to return to this series if the Canadiens can win one of the next two games, now must investigate Montreal again, and specifically coach Michel Therrien.

    It is up to the league — and this would fall under the province of the commissioner — to determine whether Therrien essentially placed a bounty on Derick Brassard, the Rangers’ center who will return for Sunday’s Game 4 after missing all but the first 3:05 of the series, sidelined thereafter with an upper-body injury he sustained on a blind-side hit from defenseman Mike Weaver.

    • RUSH RLZ

      Brooksie is such a tool, it is shocking frankly he doesn’t write for the Ottawa Sun. :)

      • Sandy

        Yes he is a tool… I agree
        BUT a coach should never say what Therrien did. He more or less said they are targeting the injury on Brassard.. Was it a head hit he got from Weaver?

        • RUSH RLZ

          I would like to see that quote in context, and it is paraphrased with the ellipsis… at the end. players go out there to physically punish the opponent every night. If a player is injured, they should still pound him with clean hits, Therion didn’t say much differently other than bad English and the game hasn’t even been played yet, but calling for a league investigation is pretty far out there.

          Regardless if I was the coach I’d keep my mouth shut and not give them any additional motivation.

          • Sandy

            Don’t have the exact quotes as I picked that up from another site.. but this tweet is from Dreger:

            DarrenDreger: Vigneault is rolling.Following perceived threat directed at Brassard,AV says he hopes nothing happens to Brassard or Therrien is in trouble.

    • WaitingSince92

      Shades of Reg Dunlop… well not really…

  • Sandy

    Do we know who the refs are tonight?

    • Sandy

      Never mind.. I got my answer. Jackson & O’Rourke..

      An interesting stat re Jackson:

      Rangers have not scored a goal against Montreal in a Jackson officiated game since before the lockout (January 17, 2004 – a 2-2 tie… when you could still have a tie. Rangers goals came from Holik and Kovalev.

      Rangers have not won a game against Montreal with Jackson refereeing dating back to 1999.

      He’s from Montreal, Quebec

      • Harv

        And, yet when some of us post questions on the referees we are slammed. I have no doubt there is sufficient evidence to confirm the NHL uses its referees to influence the outcome of games. Your stats are well beyond even my “conspiracy” theory.

      • The Apostle

        How many games. Or is this one of those bogus stats. Like Ottawa haven’t beaten Nashville in Nashville since 1998.

        Sounds terrible until you realise they’ve only played their twice in that time.

        By the way – that isn’t a real stat.

        In other news, man landed on the moon.

  • Sandy

    Should that 2nd Guelph goal have counted when another Guelph player hit Jarry just before the puck went in the net?

  • sprucesens

    Oil kings d outside of reinhart is poor. Corbett decent offensively, but the d may be their downfall

    • Deadly

      I guess teamwork can make up the difference. They play a team defence.

      • sprucesens

        yeah, they definitely did. the forwards were more commited to the D, than the D were. Breakaways and soft play was getting out of hand there for a bit

        • Zelle

          Actually the Oil Kings got incredibly lucky with a huge non call on a Guelph breakaway that easily could have been a tying 3-3 goal had he not been pulled down.

          • sprucesens

            i definitely noticed through the whl playoffs and these few games, that the oil kings were the benefactor of more calls going their way, than i’m accustomed to watching the sens. Especially in the portland series

          • Zelle

            What is this odd feeling… I’m sorry I don’t know this “favoritism” you speak of. haha

            Maybe the refs were secretly pulling for the underdog! Although they definitely earned that win. Refs didn’t seem like they wanted to call anyone for anything.

          • sprucesens

            yeah, it wasn’t nearly as bad today. i didn’t see too much that could have been calls for either team. Maybe an interference call on both teams a few times when the player dumps the puck in at the blue line then gets checked. Which i don’t agree with anyways… but they never called any this game, so at least they kept it even

          • Zelle

            Yes the break away non call was really the only one that stood out for me, and the guy had the right to be upset about it as he had a pretty clean break. Could you imagine that in a Stanley Cup elimination game? Heads would roll. lol

          • sprucesens

            lol, yeah, i think just because he wasn’t hauled down, and maybe the other break they got away with closing the hand on the puck and skating with it, leading to a goal

          • Zelle

            True could have been a make up non call.

            And now to watch Montreal v NYR.

    • Jakester

      He’s partner Sautner is excellent too.

  • bluebuyyoo

    Bertuzzi carries the puck at least 10 feet and gets free and clear before dropping it. No call on that?

  • Zelle

    “Here comes the smooth skating Curtis Lazar.” haha

  • Jordan

    Wooo go oil kings!! Lazar sure plays alot of minutes from what ive seen. Ben harpur doesnt look to bad either

    • Zelle

      I love watching Lazar play he is so full of energy and he is just all over the rink. Also it’s just a really good game. You can tell the Oil Kings really want this.

  • Deadly

    Ok,let’s do it the hard way. C’mon Kings.

    • Zelle

      Wow did they ever need that goal!

      • Deadly

        For sure,it has been a struggle the whole playoffs.

        • Zelle

          Yes like you said they really do enjoy getting it done the hard way lol

          • Deadly

            Are we the only ones watching.Everyone else is voting for MacArthur…no that’s over.

  • Deadly

    Curtis had it on his stick….

  • Zelle

    That Samuelsson kid is very good. Maybe he’ll under perform for the Coyotes and we can fleece them again a la Turris.

    • Sandy

      Spezza for Samuelsson and a 1st round pick.. okay?

      • Zelle

        Wouldn’t that be more of a fleece for the Senators? xD

        • peetypuck

          Why is the game so long. I thought it was supposed to start at 4:00.

          • Deadly

            430 start time.

          • peetypuck

            Okay, thanks.

      • Jakester

        If Phoenix wants him, I would be ok with that.

  • Deadly

    Awesome way to end your Junior career…Lazar.

  • Sandy

    Good night Guelph. Congrats to Curtis Lazar and his Edmonton Oil Kings

  • Sandy

    They won against all odds. Guelph was by far the favourite.. and I think they knew it…

    • Tooks

      Holy crap yeah, just got back home and all I hear is Samuelsson had 5pts!!!! He won that game singlehandedly, and he’s going to Phoenix…sigh

      • Jakester

        It was a team effort, they smoked them!

        • Tooks

          Ummm no, lol, Samuelsson had 5pts, he was a man on a mission, Kulda was the closest with 3pts. Lazar…well I’ll let you guess.

          • Jakester

            Lazar was all over the ice Douche! Screened the goalie on the first two! Go cry somewhere else Loser!

          • Tooks

            HAHA so mad, RAGE!!

          • sprucesens

            why do you even come on here, and tell us who played well, when you didn’t even watch the game.

          • Tooks

            PVR my friend

          • sprucesens

            uh huh, you watched the whole game in less than 15 mins?

          • Tooks

            Do you even own a PVR? Watch the game at FFx2.

          • sprucesens

            HAHA. Hmmmm, i didn’t know hockey was played at 2x speed. Bet that makes it really easy to see all 5 players on the ice playing a solid game. Why do you have such a hate on for any player that is somehow connected to the sens? I certainly don’t think lazar had an excellent game, but by watching the full game, at regular speed, you can see how ALL the players chipped in. Even the 4th line had a goal.

          • Tooks

            0pts is not chipping in. Yes the guy on the 4th line scored, he has 1pt. Thats chipping in.

            And finally you see the light, Lazar didnt have a good game.

          • sprucesens

            and to answer your question no. I have an 80″ screen that i stream the games on in high def. But i can watch games anytime after they have aired.

          • Tooks

            I dont care if he had the puck for 58 minutes…He had ZERO pts in the biggest game of the tourney…IF not for Kulda and Samuelsson, they wouldnt have been competitive. He’s lucky they won that game, makes the tourney feel alot better, had they lost, I’m sure he would be one of the guys getting all the flak for a bad tourney.

          • sprucesens

            this is why people don’t respect your comments at all. And if not for guelph’s top point getter’s, they would have lost the other games. Makes sense doesn’t it. F’n stupid comments sometimes

          • Zelle

            Sometimes?

          • Deadly

            Kulda had 3 points and and even plus/ minus.

      • sprucesens

        samuelsson is an excellent player, and will be good in the nhl. He had a strong playoffs no doubt. His line was great tonight, not just him. As it has been all year, their top 9 played very solid. The top line got most of the goals, while the rest shut the storm down

  • Zelle

    So many woos haha adorable xD

  • Sandy

    Hey Curtis… bring your coach to Ottawa with you.. we need new Asst Coaches. Edmonton’s coach did a remarkable job today.

  • Jakester

    I said it a couple days ago when Tookie said they were going to get smoked in the final by Guelph, that Edmonton outplayed them the first game. That game Eller scored in his own net and it sort of killed them! But it was no match today, there are some real good players on that Oil King team! Guelph all flare and no dare! All talk!

    • Tooks

      You didn’t say anything, you didn’t say they would win just like you didn’t pick a player to score in OT then you say “I told you so”, haha. Nice try tho.

      In a tourney like this, especially in 1 game eliminations, its not always the better team that wins. But today the Storm just didn’t bring it, say what you want, long layoff or just no challenge in the round robin…The Oil Kings coming off a huge win and maybe brought that momentum into this game cuz they didnt look fatigued at all.

      But damn, gotta give it to Samuelsson, he put the team on his back.

      • Jakester

        Bertuzzi and all those other Guelph hotdogs are loud mouth no substance guys like you Tookie. Convenient you didn’t watch it and come on here and say Samuelsson did it by himself. Full of Crap u R.

        • Deadly

          Right on , a great team effort,top to bottom.

        • Tooks

          Stats dont lie my friend.

          • Deadly

            Your stats don’t …100 percent ahole.
            Hockey stats don’t tell the whole story.

          • Tooks

            Thats the sad peoples excuse.

          • sprucesens

            you are right. they don’t Oil kings Memorial Cups this year: ONE. Guelph storm Memorial Cups this year: ZERO.

          • peetypuck

            Figures never lie but liars figure.

          • Deadly

            Samualson had 5 points and was plus 1.

          • sprucesens

            hard to see +/- in fast forward on the pvr. Also, it becomes invisible if it doesn’t validate your own hypothesis further

          • Tooks

            You dont get +- for PP. And if you watched the game you would know why he was a +1. Still doesnt change the fact that he had 5 pts to carry the team.

          • Deadly

            I know that…just saying that stats lie. You don’t get points for screening goalies,killing penalties..things that go unnoticed when watching a pvr at high speed.

          • Tooks

            Guelph went 0-2, not like the PK’ers had a SUPER game, LOL. You make it sound like its extremely rare to screen the goalie or make a defensive play. Sure he made a couple of plays but at the end of the day (if you dont win its worse) if you dont produce when your counted on to do so, it looks bad.

            Now did he have a terrible tourney, NO, I never said that, I said he wasnt having a good tournament and that was before the game winner. So he sends his team into the finals to not produce in the finals.

            As far as I can tell, Lazar is going to be a good 2nd liner in the NHL, he just didnt have an explosive tourney like some other guys had.

          • Jakester

            Goes to two Memorial Cups and one League Final in 3 years! Show him some Rispeck, did Landeskog do that? Not to mention 12 new players on the team this year!

          • Jakester

            And shutting down the other teams big guns.

  • Tooks

    Kulda well deserved MVP, he was EDM best player by far. Who drafted Kulda?

    • Jakester

      It wasn’t the Laughs!

    • sprucesens

      i think he isn’t drafted yet. i couldn’t find anything a few weeks ago. i think he’s rated like 130th or something for this draft

      • Sandy

        He went undrafted last draft. I would hazard to guess he goes somewhere this draft.
        He isn’t the biggest player by any means.. but he has everything else,. including heart.

        • Tooks

          Maybe we give him a shot, since we have Lazar? That would be cool.

  • Sensturion

    Rychel’s look was devastating. We have a tendency to forget they’re still kids.

  • Deadly

    Funny thing about stats,Samualson had five points and a plus 1. Lazar had no points and a plus 1.
    I guess he put the team on his back as someone said.
    Stats do lie,I guess.

    • Zelle

      Stats can be used and manipulated to fit someone’s point of view. It’s done all the time, especially in politics. In hockey I find it’s used mostly to credit or discredit a performance of a player without actually watching them play.

      • Deadly

        By whom..you say?

        • Zelle

          By someone who probably won’t be here to talk about how awesome Subban is after that goal.

      • Aaron 2.0

        As a researcher, I can tell you first hand that is definitely true (regarding manipulation in statistics). As an aside, it’s actually quite funny to see what political party’s do with statistics sometimes. My personal favorite is graphs with non-zero axes to make effects look over-inflated!

        It doesn’t mean everyone is doing it though, or that stats are always wrong. I see advanced stats in sport more as a useful tool in the toolbox to help guide decision-making. But, I wouldn’t suggest using them in isolation, ever. There’s too many confounding factors in sport. And, with statistics in general, I’d encourage people to look at the underlying analysis, before either quickly drawing conclusions about them or discrediting them completely. If you’re anything like me, it’s more fun just to look at the data than read the interpretation! Cheers.

        • A-Train

          Sorry, this is far too reasonable and based in actual expertise to be relevant in any hockey analytics debate.

          • Aaron 2.0

            Hahaha. Stats is sport is certainly one of those hot-button topics that invokes really strong feelings on both sides!

        • Zelle

          My overall view is that stats add to the discussion, but they do not close it. Statistics are not facts. They have varying degrees of error. They’re handy and useful, no doubt, and in my field statistics are used a lot. But in the hands of biased people or those with agendas they can be dangerous.

          • Aaron 2.0

            I think we’re probably simpatico on the issue. I find this is a huge issue, in general! In the information age, there is so much that gets fed to the general public, and most people only have time for the headlines! It’s not their fault. It’s just a fast-moving world. But, somewhere along the way, badly formed theses, misinformation, and even crazy ideas gain traction. A perfect example would be the “vaccinations cause autism” nonsense. There’s no scientific proof. In fact, the study that started that whole movement was actually redacted by the journal! And, that’s a big deal. But, still, kids have measles, babies can die, and even my family doctor was telling me about what a struggle it is for him to convince parents to vaccinate their children. Now, this definitely qualifies as a total rant (lol)!

          • Zelle

            Yes but it’s a good rant to have lol I agree completely!

  • Deadly

    Breakaway goal…like the Habs usually do.

  • Deadly

    What were the stats with Jackson ?.What a dive that was.

    • Sandy

      Here they are:

      Rangers have not scored a goal against Montreal in a Jackson officiated game since before the lockout (January 17, 2004 – a 2-2 tie… when you could still have a tie. Rangers goals came from Holik and Kovalev.

      Rangers have not won a game against Montreal with Jackson refereeing dating back to 1999.

      He’s from Montreal, Quebec

  • Zelle

    6Mins of PP time under 12mins. That’s just incredible.

    EDIT: 12mins not 10mins. 3PPs under 10mins.

  • luckan20

    Zebra clowns are in work, while Habs foot ball players out there. Damn diving in 2 occasions.

  • Jordan

    I wish we had Stralman. Stralman is very underrated.

  • Jordan

    And lundqvist…

  • Deadly

    And Jackson…

    • bluebuyyoo

      Eugene couldn’t afford him!

  • bluebuyyoo

    Looks like the Rangers are not going to get a call until the Habs score to even it up first.

  • Zelle

    I really don’t understand how that isn’t interference. If you move into position to intercept a forward speeding in the zone that should be interference no?

  • Sensturion

    Wow… I never realised how poorly Subban skated.

    • Zelle

      You don’t need to be able to skate to be a “PP specialist”.

      • Tooks

        Or go coast to coast like he’s obviously shown before…

        • Zelle

          haha I was wondering how many comments about Subban it would take for you to poke your head out xD

        • Deadly

          Sometimes he does look to be skating in sand. Other nights he can fly.

          • Zelle

            For his game what stands out the most for me is his shot and his hits. Maybe because I see comparisons to Karlsson a lot. EK has better speed and stick handling but isn’t anywhere close as physical and his shot is not as hard. He’s not a bad skater.

    • WaitingSince92

      Uh… he doesn’t skate poorly. That’s just crazy talk.

      If you want something to rag on Subban for, look at that beard! Somewhere, there’s a troll doll that’s missing it’s hair.

    • Deadly

      But he can sure snap his head…at Mach speed.

  • Tooks

    Haha love the Potvin sucks chants in NYR, great tradition!

  • Zelle

    Nash needs to start contributing more than penalties. What the fuck man.

    edit: Although they didn’t call that? I’m surprised.

    • runningbear1974

      can’t cheer for Nash… can’t cheer for Rangers… can’t cheer for Boyle… boo rangers boo…

      • Zelle

        hahaha that’s fair. Not a Nash fan, but I’m a Lundqvist fan, so I’m a Rangers fan if they are not playing against the Sens!

        • A-Train

          Nash is the epitome of a skilled loser. Rangers are the perfect team for him.

          • Zelle

            So much hate for the Rangers! Agreed on Nash though. We’ll see about the Rangers.

          • WaitingSince92

            er… did you say that after Canada won their last 2 golds? Yeah, didn’t think so…

          • A-Train

            Decent tournament in Vancouver, not much of a factor in Sochi. Can’t take the two golds away from him, but do they make up for a career of futility in the NHL?

          • WaitingSince92

            He was a force in both golds, but yeah, so far a futile NHL career for sure.

            To be fair though, it’s not his fault he was drafted by Columbus – he still did his part and chipped in 30G/year.

          • A-Train

            Oh I give him his due for putting up the regular season numbers. He’s a huge individual talent…but doesn’t seem to be able to push his team over the top, ever. Whether or not this is entirely his fault or bad luck is one of those sports debates we’ll likely never resolve.

      • Sandy

        I hate everything Montreal and I can never cheer for them..

        • runningbear1974

          You have the right to hate whoever you want… I don’t like anything the Rangers stand for, i hope they continue to fail…

      • bluebuyyoo

        You know, I really didn’t give a crap who won this series as I pretty much dislike both teams. However, seeing that the CBC play-by-pay guys seem to now have Habs tattoos on their asses, I find myself pulling for the Rangers. Simpson is so bad, he makes Healey look like Foster Hewitt. What a maroon!

        • Sandy

          I hate CBC.. I just wish they would go away permanently.. but unfortunately they are around for 2 more years..

          • A-Train

            Not sure what you mean. Rogers takes over national hockey broadcasts in September.

            And it’s funny. Habs fans I know universally believe HNIC is biased against them.

          • bluebuyyoo

            Habs fans feel everyone is out to get them. It goes back to the perceived lack of respect which is complete bullshit. It also lets them whine about everything and everyone which seems to keep them happy.

      • Sandy

        I like Lundqvist. One of the best in the game and a gentlemen.. But I don’t like Nash or Boyle either..

  • bluebuyyoo

    I hope the Habs have a good chiropractor. Gonna be a lot of guys with whiplash after this game.

  • A-Train

    Subban does some exciting things. But his selfishness on the pp is really costing the Habs.

    • A-Train

      Or not…..

      What a confounding player. His reaction to that goal was pretty bizarre too.

      • Deadly

        Yes it was.Almost like..I told you to give my the puck. Now you can pat me on the head.
        My instead of me..

        • WaitingSince92

          It was more like… Better not celebrate too much given Gallagher saved my ass after I stumbled 10 secs before scoring.

  • WaitingSince92

    Wow, what a period! Some pretty entertaining hockey.

    • Zelle

      Very good game. I keep looking at the pace and thinking about Cowen. And then I cry a little bit.

  • Zelle

    Dustin is having a hell of a game so the panel rags on him playing with his equipment? ._.

    • A-Train

      Sports culture is incredibly conservative. Anything different is ridiculed. I remember the scorn for Hasek’s quirks, even during his best years.

      • Zelle

        That’s really sad… first three NHL games for this kid and he is keeping Montreal in it and they have nothing to say about it but to bitch about his quirks. Pathetic.

        • A-Train

          It is what it is. I always find myself rooting for the guys the broadcasters and professional jocks like to run down.

  • Deadly

    One last stat from the Memorial Cup..Herpur plus 2

    • Zelle

      I like him because he almost blends in the shadows. Quietly goes about his business of shutting the other team down.

      • Deadly

        You’re right ,didn’t really notice him today.

  • Deadly

    Wow ,the refs are taking this game over.

    • Sandy

      8 penalty minutes for Montreal… 16 for the Rangers.
      I guess Montreal is getting lots of help from their hometown ref.

  • luckan20

    Bad officiating and Habs are getting away with murder.

    • A-Train

      Make up call in 5, 4, 3…..

  • Sandy

    To avoid any thoughts of bias — when it comes to the playoffs.. no way a ref should be allowed to call a game of any team that is in his hometown…

  • Sandy

    So game is tied late in the 3rd. Time for Montreal to get their late game PP?

  • luckan20

    This game might end up with an ugly goal. Most likely another OT expected.

  • WaitingSince92

    Wow, too much ref conspiracy bullshit going on here.

    You know guys, if the refs were really biased, they could easily, easily have called the two-hander that just landed on Staal’s helmet.

    • Sandy

      They are not going to give Montreal a penalty late in the game…

      • Deadly

        Think he meant Staals high stick.

  • Deadly

    Post

  • Zelle

    Too many non calls at this point the refs’ hands are tied. The next penalty, if there is one, will have to be something automatic like delay of game.

    • Sandy

      Don’t be to surprised if there is an actual penalty called other than delay of game..

      • Zelle

        Touche. LOL

    • Deadly

      They blew it by getting this unbalanced situation too early.

      • Sandy

        I don’t believe that even comes into their thoughts..

        • Deadly

          Just kidding . I used to ref OHL games so I believe they do an honest job. Now in a one sided Jr B game in some small arena you did tend to watch the scoreboard and work the game accordingly. Anything to avoid the donnybrook.

  • A-Train

    What player on each of these teams would you most like to see on the Sens?

    For me it’s Galchenyuk and Hagelin (with apologies to Alfie’s head).

    • Zelle

      Hagelin and Gallagher.

      • In the Bleachers

        OK – I’ll bite

        Price and Lundquist ?

        • Zelle

          I thought of those two immediately but I believe in Lehner so I think Sens are OK in goal. I love Price but he has a history of failing in the playoffs, this season is the exception.

      • A-Train

        I like Gallagher too. But I think Galchenyuk will be the best player on that team…hurting the Sens for years to come.

        • Zelle

          I’d take them both tbh. I’d also take Pacioretty, Brassard, and Lundqvist. I like Krieder but he’s a bit reckless…

    • bluebuyyoo

      Are O’Rourke and Jackson considered to be part of the Habs team toinight? If so, I’ll take them. ;-)

    • Deadly

      This kind of fantasy question is very un A-train.

      • A-Train

        Haha. It’s a little off-brand I guess. No Sens in the playoffs changes me.

  • Deadly

    Missed the penalty call..was it a good one

    • Zelle

      Yes blatant holding of the stick.

  • Deadly

    Good to hear

  • Deadly

    Tonight’s winner wins the series.

    • Zelle

      I think Habs are going to take the series. Lots of puck luck all playoffs long. Goaltending has been top notch for all but two games. And they finally got a PP goal against the Rangers.

      • Zelle

        And as a I post this Marty scores to make me look like an asshole.

        • Deadly

          I did wonder as I read the first post…too funny.

          • Zelle

            haha yeah, figures. I just have that kind of timing. Although I’ll be happy to look like an asshole once more if the Rangers can take G5 and move on to the finals.

        • Jakester

          It’s ok I usually make the statement that backfires…..lol

  • A-Train

    Here’s another weird irrational opinion: I don’t believe in Lundqvist. I recognize the talent, but I don’t see him getting to the promised land.

    • Deadly

      Your timing is interesting but the promised land goes through LA so I think you are safe.

  • Zelle

    Wow what a shot by St-Louis and props to the Rangers for keeping that in and finding him. Insane!!

    • A-Train

      Markov. Terrible.

  • A-Train

    Remember when Turris beat Lundqvist? Those were good times. I’m out.

  • BigDaddy

    I didn’t watch the full game but woke up to see the typical ref help to the Canadians with 9 penalties going to the Rangers. What a joke. Before someone jumps up and says here we go again with conspiracy theories…..the Canadians have only had more penalties then the opposition in 2 of the 15 games so far in the 2014 post season. You can’t tell me that is solely the result of a well coached team. Refs need to either put away their whistles or start calling some of these dives and embellishments.

  • Dirk-Diggler

    Ok guys… Would you trade…

    To Pitt:
    -Neil
    -Weircioch
    -2015 2nd

    To Ott:
    - Letang

    Ottawa’s D next year…

    Methot-Karlsson
    Cowen-Letang
    Phillips/Gryba-Ceci
    Boro

    • Jordan

      I wish.

    • Jordan

      Although i like wiercoch and hope we keep him next year.

    • BMurray

      i would not touch letang, big contract and health issues are a concern. however many think Neal is on the move, and niskanen is UFA

      any interest in Neal lw/rw type winger with grit

      • Dirk-Diggler

        Letang’s health issues I believe are behind him. I mean he had a stroke,
        it was a freak accident. He’s also one of the most committed players
        off the ice to his training. If anyone can come back better than before
        it’s Letang.

        I think at the moment his value is low and we could
        do well to get him at a cost that’s not super expensive. I like
        Weircioch too but he’s not a high end player like Letang. The deal gives
        Ottawa some salary back (we are below the floor so it’s not an issue),
        gives cap flexibility to Pitt as well and then can resign Niskanen and
        gives them a good young D man in Weir plus a 4th line guy that can help
        motivate the troops in the playoffs…

        Also, it would make
        Ottawa’s back end super skilled and mobile. Another benefit is losing
        Neil gives opportunity to guys like Da Costa, Lazar, Petterson, Stone,
        Hoffman and eventually Dunn to play NHL minutes on a cheaper deal than
        Neil is on.

        • Jakester

          Peterssen is in Anaheim dude, traded him for Grant I think, minor league deal.

          • Jakester

            I agree though ,we have To piggy back Greening,Condra, and Neil on other trades to make some room for some of the young guys. Even Smith, if Edmonton still loves him, make us an offer please.

          • Dirk-Diggler

            I didn’t know we traded Peter… my bad… I actually meant to say Pumpel though…

            The fact is that we have a lot of young players on the fringe that need to get into the NHL and the guys in the bottom 6 should be looking over their shoulder because the kids are here… For the last 3-4 years we have all been raving about how stocked our cupboards are. Well let’s see what we have or else the stuff in the cupboard will expire :P

          • Jakester

            No prob, it’s hard to follow I admit.

          • Jakester

            Some of these guys need to play and The time is now!!! DaCosta,Pageau,Grant, Schneider,and I believe Claessen. He was already playing with men in Sweden prior to coming over to the AHL. Prince too is close, he had the most even strength points in Bingo this year. He can really skate, would be tempted to keep him and not trade him. Lots of DECISIONS to be made.

    • sbs138

      Letang? no thanks.

    • Jakester

      I would but Pittsburgh wouldn’t

    • Andrews theory

      why not just spend the money and bring in Niskanen…
      you can then move Wiercoch / Gryba to another organization that is thin on young defenseman

      • Dirk-Diggler

        Letang is way better than Niskanen. Letang has the intangables that Matty doesn’t have. Letang plays with an edge and his skating is much superior. My opinion is that I’d rather have as many high end skilled guys as possible on my team because when you need a goal you have players that you can turn to get the job done and when they are on their game it’s more often than you average player and can carry the play. Know what I mean?

        I think there are many comparisions between the two but in the end Letang has more short term and long term value.

        Imagine our D on the PP…

        PP1: Hoffman – Karlsson
        PP2: Ceci – Letang

        It would be lethal back there…

        • AutoTurris

          Why Hoffman with King Karl?

          • Dirk-Diggler

            he played on the point this past season… I think PP1 should be a 4 forward and 1 D system and PP2 should be more balanced with a 3F 2D approach…

          • Dirk-Diggler

            also most importantly I do not want CP4 anywhere near the PP.. or the ice for that matter

          • AutoTurris

            Yeah I got the 4F 1D, just Hoffman surprised me but now
            I am remembering him on the point. Wouldn’t be terrible, although maybe Zib’s shot would work better back there, assuming he isn’t 2PPC

    • sbs138

      I say no just because of his hair. I can’t handle looking at that $hit all day.

    • s3nsfan75

      seriously, you seriously believe pittsburgh would trade an unproven D, a 4th liner at 35 years old and a 2nd round draft pick for Letang, I’m sorry but that is seriously laughable.

  • Hax

    Man what’s the over-under on PK’s next contract? Habs are going to pay through the nose for this guy. I personally still can’t stand the cocky bastard but even I have to admit he’s matured somewhat and is pretty dynamic out there.

    • Dirk-Diggler

      I think he will get $7.5 for 8 years… He could get $8 but I think he takes a ‘discount’ to $7.5 or at worst $7.25.

      He’ll be worth the money he gets though that’s for sure. He’s one of the top 5 D men in the game…

      • Doc

        Discount? For what reason?

        He’s at least getting 8×8, and I wouldn’t be surprised if it wasn’t more.

        They have the money, and he already had his bridge contract. Habs management must be kicking themselves that they didn’t give him what he wanted 2 years ago.

        • Jakester

          They were stupid, should’ve given a Karlsson type deal.

          • Andrews theory

            100%…

      • Hax

        Watch Burkie offer sheet him.

    • Andrews theory

      ya I thought it was pretty dumb signing that bridge contract…
      they could have locked him up for max term for likely 6 million. He will want to be the highest paid D in the league.

      • Jakester

        Then his head will be sooooooooo big it will explode! His game will fall apart.

        • Andrews theory

          I really think Subban’s critics are highly exagerated.
          Any other sport and wouldn’t be an issue. I’d take him on my team any day of the week.
          Outside of Karlsson, he’s the second most exciting defensman in the world.

          • Jakester

            I’m just kidding, he’s a little too much me me me, but he’s talented.

  • AutoTurris

    Greening, Condra and Gryba NEED to be dealt, Weircoich could be packaged in with them to make a trade possible, but I don’t mind hanging on to Patty W

    • Jakester

      Keep Gryba cuz he’s a righty, deal BoroCop.

      • AutoTurris

        True, but is Gryba dirt slow. We need better skaters at the back; Methot, Phillips and Cowen are already lacking speed, Gryba is just too much.

        • Don Ciccio

          Methot does not lack speed but agree with the rest.

        • Jakester

          Third pairing and He’s a very solid PK’er. He’s our future Johnny Boychuk.

          • AutoTurris

            He’s solid and that’s a plus, our back end is recognized as tough. But with the godawful signing of that oaf Phillips, I see #2, 3 or 62 being moved and if it came to that it would be 62.

          • Jakester

            I agree that Phillips resigning is going to hurt.

      • ProfessorPower

        keep Boro over Gryba any day of the week without question. Boro is a playoff type dman who is a generational leader in the eyes of Richardson. The dman we should target should be a RHD to play on the second pairing behind Karlsson – someone like Boyle or Bieksa. Thus making Gryba 100% expendable.

        • Jakester

          Boro over Gryba, hell Boro was like the 3rd D in Bingo this year. He’s even less mobile than Gryba. Plus, he takes a ton of stupid penalties, he’ll be right up there with Neil and Smith in PIM’s.

          • ProfessorPower

            He should be right up there with Neil and Smith in PIM lol he crushes people with hits and fights for his team. He’ll be a perfect bottom pairing dman just as Smith is a perfect 4th line center.

          • Jakester

            Saw a few AHL games this year and he looked like a pylon on most nights. He isn’t anywhere as good as Gryba, sorry bud. Gryba was like plus 35 on a depleted D corps , during the strike year before we brought him up. He gets No Rispeck!

          • ProfessorPower

            oooooh look at you there bud watching a few AHL games. Thank god we can clear your laughable opinion off the table. Now your saying Boro is no where near as good as Gryba….

            well i got my afternoon chuckle in. Ill read more of your posts when i want another

          • Jakester

            He isn’t as good, who was playing in the NHL last year GENIUS? What D man had the best plus/minus?

          • ProfessorPower

            the older prospect with playoff experience? who was also scratched for 20 games? So an NHL roster player is better than one in the farm regardless? Didnt know Condra is and will always be better than Pumpel Da Costa Stone Lazar and Pageau

          • Jakester

            Condra sucks balls, along with Greening and Neil.

          • ProfessorPower

            but they play in the nhl GENIUS…

          • Jakester

            Yeah on him I agree we signed a player to a two year deal who didn’t deserve it. But Gryba did well last year on a team that sucked. Ever notice on our 2nd PK we’d Get scored on, that’s when EK 65and Cowen went out to replace Gryba and Methot. Plus you can thank Gryba for knocking out the Habs last year, his hit changed that series. His toughness out of our lineup would hurt. Boro doesn’t know how to hit without taking a penalty, he still has something to learn, no idea why he got a one-way.

          • ProfessorPower

            Boros play without the puck was never the issue, it was his puck skills that he was told to work on. But hes a bottom pairing guy, and every team needs those – as well as a playoff type player that can get into peoples heads. Grybas hit was monstrous and it did change the series, but that Gryba comes out once every couple months whereas Boro plays tough every game.

          • Jakester

            Moving the puck in today’s NHL is the key, if you think Gryba is slow well news for ya, Boro is a lot slower(anyhow won’t change your mind and you are entitled to Your opinion)I think Gryba pinches really well actually.I find that Gryba throws a lot of big hits, especially against Boston he hits Lucic all game! Cowen to me, is the guy that should be traded, he’s had two major problems, hip and ligaments. He won’t get any faster, and his decision making is slow. Use this asset now before it becomes worth nothing. To me the extra guy should be a righty cuz there is a lack of righties around the league.

          • Jakester

            He was scratched for no f-ing reason IMO. Methot and Gryba for long stretches of the year were great together. But someone had to play with that trainwreck Cowen, so poor EK 65 was saddled with that piss poor player.

          • ProfessorPower

            I think Cowen will have a bounce back year…well hopefully lol Mehot and Gryba were a good shutdown pair. But like i said we need to move at least one dman, and if we are to improve our defensive lineup I think the target will be a RHD behind Karlsson..this is why I see Gryba being moved. NOW if we istead target a top pairing dman LHD to play with Karlsson then we will be loaded at LHD and most likely Wiercioch will have to move.

          • Jakester

            I would move Cowen to be honest, not sure he will bounce back. I would get someone for him now. He isn’t better than Methot,Wiorcioch,Claessen, or whomever we get in a trade. I’d go after a starved team for D like Edmonton(there are other teams too)and get a young forward.

          • ProfessorPower

            I dont think so because his value is at an all time low right now. Its only his second pro season after a major hip injury. Might as well see what he can do this season before putting him in trade talk, no need to rush a trade. His upside is enormous but we will see

          • Jakester

            Hope you’re right, cuz if he drags us down again he will be worth zippo.

          • peetypuck

            The problem is, why would another team give up anything good for a player that might drag their team down?

        • Jakester

          I listened to most of Richardson’s interviews this year and was mentioning Boro less and less.

  • runningbear1974

    Karlsson Methot
    Ceci Cowen
    Gryba Wiercioch

    That’s ok defense… If Ceci can cover for Phillips he can probably cover for Cowen too…

    • Doc

      ‘Ok’ is the key word here.

      And Phillips won’t be in the press box after signing a two year extension…even if fans disagree.

      • runningbear1974

        They’ll improve… Doesn’t make sense to trade one of those guys so that Phillips can play…

  • John Raina

    I voted for ‘yes’, but I really hope he isn’t. I would love if the Sens waited till at least after the WJC. We aren’t a contender next year. Why rush prospects? Give him another year and let him dominate.

  • Dirk-Diggler

    http://capgeek.com/armchair-gm/roster/18322

    I had a little run at our roster…

    Trade 1… Spezza and Greening for Josi
    Trade 2… Methot, Neil, 2015 2nd and Prince for Letang
    Burried Phillips…

    Thoughts?

    • Jakester

      That first trade blows. Hope we get Forsberg or something with Josi.

      • Dirk-Diggler

        I had to really dial things back by including Greening… Addition by subtraction there…

        • Jakester

          Haha, hell toss in Condra or Neil if you’re going that route!

          • Dirk-Diggler

            Keep Condra he’s a good 4th liner that’s defensive and can play really well on the PK… Also he’s cheap…

            Neil is pretty much useless on the ice… but he’s a community guy…

          • Jakester

            Than let’s buy out Neil and put him in charge of the 50/50 and raffles.

          • Dirk-Diggler

            I don’t have him on my team… did you see my 2nd trade?

          • Jakester

            I know, it wasn’t all bad what you put up. Most of it was good!

  • Jakester

    Lots of sites today say that Anaheim is really after Kesler, they were really after him at the deadline. They expect talks to resume now that Benning is GM. Canucks need bodies to help rebuild. One less suitor for Spezz, and if Stastny signs someplace other than Colorado, the number is reduced again. Might be only St.Louis and Nashville once the dust settles. C’mon Murray!

    • AutoTurris

      St. Louis has always been my hope and I think that they’re the most likely trade partner, considering the bodies they can move and their recent playoff history. Plus, if Murray is dead set on getting Stewart up front, a trade with STL would be beneficial chemistry wise

      • Jakester

        Better make sure(Stewart) likes the guys in the Spezza trade.

        • AutoTurris

          That’s the hope brother… That’s the hope

          • Jakester

            Imagine you trade for a guy he can’t stand!

          • AutoTurris

            I always think that… Also, who do you think everyone in the Sens locker room just hates? Haha, like who is the Bryzgalov of the O-town boys?

          • Jakester

            That’s a tough one, not one guy stands out.

  • SensChirp
  • Guest

    Sorry to bring up politics while we are all busy hating on Greening and Phillips, but what do you all think about Turks and Caicos trying to join Canada? I’d actually be fucking pumped to have our own Hawaii.

    • bluebuyyoo

      I was in T&C in January and it is one of the most beautiful places to vacation. Grace bay is consistently rated in the top 3 beaches in the world. Amazing weather, people, snorkeling/scuba & fishing. Can’t wait to go back.

    • Jakester

      Why is that being discussed?

    • peetypuck

      They requested to join Canada in the early 1980′s but Pierre Trudeau torpedoed that with a flat no.