Jason Spezza Sweepstakes Turns Ugly

SensChirp June 29, 2014 465
Jason Spezza Sweepstakes Turns Ugly

It’s safe to say that Draft Weekend in Philadelphia did not go the way the Ottawa Senators were hoping it would.

Despite all the rumours and speculation suggesting otherwise, Jason Spezza is still a member of this hockey team.  And after a candid interview with Bryan Murray in the moments following the second day of the Draft, suddenly the seemingly amicable split between the two sides now has the potential to turn a little bit ugly.

When speaking to reporters following the Draft, Murray let it slip (either on purpose or in a moment of frustration) that he had talked to Nashville Predators’ GM David Poille about a Jason Spezza trade.  Murray went so far as to suggest that he had a deal in place that would have sent Spezza to Nashville but that Spezza and his agent turned down the deal because Nashville is one of the teams on Spezza’s no trade list.  Impossible to blame Spezza in a situation like that but by letting that information out publically, Murray is trying to make it seem like he is doing everything he can to get this done but that pesky no trade clause got in the way.

Not buying it.

Murray knew about the no trade clause going in and knew that Nashville was a team on that no trade list.  Spezza’s camp suggested they were willing to listen to offers from teams on that list but in the end, Spezza has the final say when it comes to those 10 teams. It’s believed the Sens also had talks with the Florida Panthers and the New York Islanders about a Spezza trade.  The conversation and potential deal with Nashville should have been kept private but now that the information is out there, there’s a sense that Spezza is the one holding up this trade, which obviously isn’t really fair.

So with Saturday’s development, the Spezza sweepstakes now runs the risk of becoming the Spezza saga.  A lot like the Heatley deal from years back, this now has the potential to turn into an ugly divorce between the two sides.  Which is really unfortunate.

The Senators have suggested they are willing to let this go on all summer if they have to and would even be willing to bring Spezza back to start next season if necessary.  That obviously isn’t a realistic option.  The sooner this situation is resolved, the better. For those waiting for Spezza to change his opinion on a Nashville deal, I can’t see it happening.  He knows contenders in St. Louis and Chicago are interested and would obviously prefer to end up in one of those two cities.

July 1st and free agency now becomes the next pressure point for teams looking for a top line centre.  Teams that miss out on Paul Stastny are likely to turn their attention to Spezza.  Based on the Kesler and Neal trades, it’s pretty clear Ottawa is not going to hit a home run with this trade.  For everybody’s sake, let’s hope the situation can be resolved in the next few days.

  • Jakester

    Spezza wants to go to a contender… Bull crap. This guy just wants to slot in as the 2C on a great team(StLouis or bust). He has always wanted to be the guy. In Nashville he would be THE GUY on a really great defensive team. They need a 1C, and I think that SPEZZ doesn’t want the Pressure in case he can’t deliver the goods. Nashville is just missing some offence and they are right there, they just got James Neal and they need A GUY, I guess Spezz doesn’t think he can do it. He wants the EASY life, like last year he’s not in the mood to do the heavy lifting. Anyone up for a pond Hockey player, let’s hear your best offers. Disappointing!

    I say send him to a Toronto for Kadri and let Toronto flip him or whatever. Make the call Murray call his bluff!

    • SensChirp

      Why is it unreasonable that he wouldn’t want to go to another budget team? Nashville is not “right there”.

      • Harv

        Seems to me he is more motivated by the style of hockey he will be expected to play and being THE GUY becomes part of that equation. He clearly can play his “Ottawa” style without a lot of effort. He has rejected changing that style by adding a defensive capability. I believe he sees that as “work”.

        Having said that, my above comments have no basis in any inside knowledge. It is based on 11 years of observation.

      • zippy

        He should make it clear he won’t listen to offers from budget teams then. Stop wasting BMs time

        • SensChirp

          He has a list of 10 teams he won’t go to. If Murray was worried about his time being wasted, a great approach would be to umm not make a trade with those 10 teams.

          • Sandy

            You are right there Chirp. BUT Spezza and his agent gave Murray permission to talk to the teams on the list and to bring the info back to them. They should have just said from the start, do not deal with teams on the list.
            Since a new list is coming from Spezza on July 1st, I just hope that Spezza and his agent make it perfectly clear that Murray is not to deal with those 10 teams.
            But this is hurting what the Sens can do on July 1st in way of bringing in new players.. if any want to come here that is.

            I’m just hoping they can keep Milan and he comes out and says how much he likes playing in Ottawa.

            And they re-sign Ryan and he comments basically the same thing.

          • Gavin Ray

            If he’s not going to waive his clause to those ten teams then why would he allow Murray to talk to them, that seems completely illogical. Do you have any proof of this claim?

          • zippy

            He’s trying to accommodate spezza. Spezza said he’s open to listening to offers.

            Sounds wishy washy to me.

          • KJ

            BM has to look at ALL the options, and Spezza’s camp said they would listen too any offers. Problem is teams Spezza is interested in won’t pay up

      • s3nsfan

        Solely my opinion, but he’s only got.one year left. Use it as a try out, don’t like it leave. And it seems in 2009 his comments to Heatley saying he had to let the team move him are becoming fitting
        ‘If he (Heatley) doesn’t want to be here, he has to let us make a move’ – Jason Spezza (July 2, 2009)

        • SensChirp

          Why would he do that? Just to be nice to the Senators? He doesn’t want to go there and knows that teams that he would like to play for have interest. Why settle?

          • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

            He contradicts his own words about someone else when he is in their shoes… Either live what you preach or shut your mouth back then… Thats the only thing I’m annoyed about with this development

          • KJ

            Yes . You are right. He doesn’t need to settle. It’s his right as per his contract. But if there was any good will between them that is surely getting burned now, because Jason knows he is hurting the Sens future by not going to a team who is willing to pay more for him. He may not care and say that’s not my problem, but this would be contrary to the whole “time to part ways” story angle we have heard. He among most is on top of who is who and their stats in the NHL, etc., so I am sure he is well aware of players and their relative values.

            I understand FLA and NYI, but not wanting to go to NASH is a little confusing to me. Great city, and it appears they will have a good competitive team.

        • The Apostle

          I saw part of the Nashville no go as evidence that Spezza doesn’t want to go somewhere for just a year – and why should he? Being in a shitty, unhappy situation for a year is awful whether that’s Ottawa, Nashville or anywhere else.

          We were complaining that Murray might take a crappy deal for him and so far, whilst he’s been able to, he didn’t. A lot of fans would have been pissed by getting Bonino, Sbisa and the 24th pick for him but I’ve thought all along that that was the sort of return that was likely. According to MacKenzie, Murray pushing for a better deal is how Kesler ended up in Anaheim.

          I still think this is a ways away from the Heatley deal, we still have 20 teams we can negotiate with if those teams are interested. With Heatley we all knew that he was going to the Sharks.

          On July 1st teams will be able to give Spezza a new contract, from what I was hearing (internet only) if something doesn’t work out there, Spezza might re consider moving to a team on the original non list. Whether Nashville will want him now is a different thing, their GM seemed pretty pissed.

          • Sandy

            Kesler is a 2nd line centre – a better two way player than Spezza but not as offensively gifted. He went for a 3rd line player.
            Spezza is an offensively-gifted player who is not great defensively but is a #1 centre. They don’t want to trade him for a 3rd line player especially one with a major shoulder injury.

        • jimmyjohnson

          I predict this quote will become insanely overused over the next week.

        • WaitingSince92

          Easy to see a ‘tryout’ as a waste of a year. Why bother when you don’t want to go there?

      • Jakester

        Their back end, D and in nets is pretty Formidable. They just added Neal and need a 1C, I guess that type of scrutiny would be too much for him. God forbid they ask him to modify his game once he gets there. Not up to the challenge I guess.

        • Gavin Ray

          Neal was traded to Nashville after the Spezza negotiations, and the assets Pittsburgh got were the assets Murray was offered.

    • Harv

      I would actually prefer Montreal before Toronto. Kessel and Spezza may give us indigestion.

      • Jakester

        Not worried about that, they’re already really bad defensively as a team adding Spezz would make them worse. TUrris and Zibby would own Spezza cuz he won’t work has hard as them to get the puck!

        • Harv

          Good point. Having our guys work against Spezza’s “defence” would certainly improve our goals for.

    • Lucretia

      Murray/Melnyk gave Spezza the NTC when it suited their purpose…now they have to deal with it. Murray is merely answering the medias questions, Spezza is exercising his rite to decided where he wants to play, and the media is twisting things out of proportion to make a better story.
      As for dealing with Toronto…that happens I will have lost what little respect I have left for the organization.

    • OleHeaveHoFlipperoooni

      Kadri??? Reallly…. Man oh man. Don’t understand the love for this punk. He’s the type of player that you love to see an enforcer finally get him and pummel the prick!

      • Garrioch’s reliable source

        Kadri for Spezza works for me.
        NK would be our very own D’Arcy Tucker.
        Can’t wait to see him jump into the Leafs bench next
        year after scoring the winning goal against the
        Toronto Maple Spezzas.

    • Gavin Ray

      LOL you’re such a joke. Spezza already said he didn’t want to go to Nashville. The Neal trade happened after the request between the Preds and Sens, using the same players they offered Ottawa. Meaning that if the Spezza trade went through, they wouldn’t have the assets to make the Neal trade. So the chance of having Neal and Spezza on Nashville together was very slim. Also Nashville is not even a playoff contender and they dont have a great chance at a playoff run even with both Neal and Spezza. You’re just a muttonhead…

    • wild bill

      All of you complaining about Spezza should just accept going to nashville are lost. Maybe he doesn’t want to go. He has a LIST of ten teams he won’t go too, deal with it. He earned the right to make his list. Hes out of this organization soon because dumb fans like you and a Bullshit owner.

  • Harv

    Not sure I agree with everything in this post SensChirp. Murray was responding to questions and there have been a lot of calls, many right here, for the team to let us know what is going on. Murray has been open for awhile on the Spezza situation and what the challenges are in trying to get a realistic deal. The fact that many commenters don’t seem to be listening is not his fault. I did not detect any criticism of Spezza in what Murray said or how he said it. In fact, he keeps us telling how much he respects Spezza and how much he knows what he is losing.

    Spezza has a right not to go to Nashville but we do not know if he will change his mind. That, again, is his call under his contract.

    It seems to me that Murray is caught between a coach and a player. The coach wants the player to play a certain style. The player clearly has the skill to play that style but not the will. The team is supporting the coaches’ style clearly after all most going the other way.

    So, Spezza has to go. You cannot have a captain refusing to lead in the direction the team has chosen to go.

    There is way too much criticism going on in all directions and not much of it is helpful.

    Nashville right now looks like a good deal for Spezza and for the Sens. But, the team does not have control. I am sure Murray is pursuing other options as hard as possible. Time will tell if he is able to make a good deal or we have to settle.

    Worst case scenario is that Spezza starts the deason in Ottawa without the “C” and is booed incessently by the fans. On the other hand, he could start the season in Ottawa with the “C” until something breaks. Neither are good scenarios but neither are the end of the world as we know it today.

  • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

    I don’t actually necessarily thing that this has diminished the return we will see, teams legitimate top line(second line for a few teams) centres are quickly disappearing.

    Once statsny signs(and who knows where he ends up, could easily be somewhere that we aren’t talking with… I think another bidding War between who ever didn’t land him happens. That being said Murray has to open up to moving him in the east as well

  • Mark

    This is a disturbing pattern (players wanting out). There will be more wanting to leave no doubt.

    Melnyk is fucking ruining this team with his “budget”.

    • Magnus Nor

      I think players are seeing Ottawa becomming less and less attractive for them..

    • Sandy

      Lots of teams have budgets. But it’s just that the Sens are too low on their budget.
      The cap right now for the Sens is just over 52M and includes Spezza.
      So take out Spezza’s 7M Cap hit, leaves the Sens at about 45M – with 6M to spend to get to the floor.
      Lehner needs a contract and they need to bring in some players.
      I think this team will be closer to the floor of 51M than to the budget top of 56M.

    • Garrioch’s reliable source

      SIGH – we all know that Melnyk is using his NHL team to try to save
      his financial empire.
      The Ottawa Senators will only exist but not compete until he sells the team.
      Somewhere Bruce Firestone is probaby smiling.

  • Sandy

    I think this is blown out of proportion by the media. Murray was responding to a question and he said Nashville was on is no-trade llst.
    The issue I have is with Murray moreso than Spezza. He just gives out too much information which makes matters worse.
    Vancouver kept their mouths shut throughout the entire Kesler trade request other than to admit he wanted out.
    All Murray should have said is yes, I spoke to Nashville and that’s it.

    • zippy

      Good point

  • iKarly65

    “@At the end of that interview Murray says the team needs four forwards. Including 2 left wingers and a centre to replace Spezza. #Sens”

    Don’t see it.

    LW: MacArthur, Hoffman, Greening
    RW: Ryan, Stone, Condra, Neil
    C: Turris, Zibanejad, Smith

    I see a spot for one LW, barring a trade, waiving/buy-out, AHL demotion, or scratching.

    • WaitingSince92

      It’s not the number of players that’s the issue, it’s the number of bonafide top 6 players.

      • iKarly65

        It’s not the need for a better player that’s my problem, it’s the “how do you do that on a budget and with players already being paid like a top 6?”

        Do not give me the “its easy to trade so and so” argument, cause thats bs. If we don’t want our junk there’s a good chance nobody does.

    • ProfessorPower

      I don’t think hoffman is a lock to make the team. We also have too many d so we need to make a trade there. That leaves Spezza and one of our dman,plus free agency to get us 2 left wingers a center and a heavyweight – 4 forwards

  • Sandy

    I don’t understand him not wanting Nashville.
    They have a very good goaltender. Really good D – they just need forwards.
    They may give Hemsky what he wants and all they need is a centre.

    • WaitingSince92

      They are not a contender. It’s that simple. They’re nowhere near STL or CHI.

      • Sandy

        Chi may have to win this year as once Kane/Toews take 20M combined out of your cap space they are going to have to move players out.
        Maybe bringing in Spezza now would allow them to look at who they could move.
        Can they keep Hossa & Sharp after this season and just keep their young prospects to play in their spots.

    • The Apostle

      Maybe he doesn’t like the city. Maybe he doesn’t like country music. Maybe he doesn’t think Nashville will pay him next year. maybe he hates Mike Fisher. Maybe he doesn’t want his kids to be educated in Tennessee. Choosing where to work and live is complicated.

      Maybe he wants Murray to have one last chat to St Louis. Maybe he wants to see who does what on July 1st before committing to anybody not on his list at the moment.

    • Garrioch’s reliable source

      Spezza hates country music – he’s more of an Italian Opera guy.

  • A-Train

    I don’t see anything wrong with Murray’s comments. And I don’t have any problem with how Spezza and his agent are holding the line.

    But I wonder if players will ever start looking at these types of situations when they negotiate contracts. The NMCs are a way of deciding what your next destination is. I get that. But we’re seeing how these whopper deals with NMC clauses can really limit a player’s future and cause unpleasant divorces. How many seasons did Luongo waste going through all that?

    Spezza’s always been viewed as a good guy. Now he has a portion of Sens fans and hockey fans in general thinking he’s a jerk. Management, fans and players in Nashville feel the same way. Bryan Murray’s taking a lot of heat too.

    I feel like there has to be a way for players & agents to have a little forward thinking and avoid these situations with more reasonable contracts. Top dollar, term and movement control is not always in the client’s best interest.

    • Sandy

      One solution, both sides keep their mouths shut. That fixes it until the trade is completed.

      • A-Train

        That would probably help.

        But taking the big picture: A guy like Wade Redden probably could have played in the NHL longer than he did without that ridiculous deal. He must have known somewhere deep down that he wouldn’t be a $6M NHL dman that much longer.

        Ditto Luongo. I didn’t have a lot of sympathy when he made those “my contract sucks” comments. But I hoped it might make other players take a pause and think about what might happen for them down the road.

        I see Kane and Toews rumoured to be signing $12M a year deals at max term. Sure they’ll be rich, as will their agents. But they would be anyway. Those deals would all but guarantee a messy end to their careers in Chicago.

        • jimmyjohnson

          If I put $50M in front of you, you’re not going to say “I don’t really think I’ll be worth that much in a few years. I’d rather stop at $35M. I think that’s fair.”

          There’s almost no point in a player’s short career where he would actively take a pay cut.

  • WaitingSince92

    I still don’t get the hate people have for Spezza exercising his NTC.

    True, maybe NTC should automatically be waived when a player asks for a trade, but that’s not how the current CBA works. The Sens signed him to that contract, with the NTC, now they have to live with it and stop whining. They knew his 10 team list and he has every right not to be traded to those teams without being shat upon.

    Just the same way Speza will have to live with it and honour the last year of his contract if he doesn’t get traded.

    I feel like people REALLY just hate the NTC, but end up hating any player who exercises it for any reason.

    • Hax

      But legally “asks for a trade” is ambiguous. IF a player refuses to report or something then that’s different. But if a player says “look I’ll play out my contract if you make me but I’d really like to be traded” I don’t see any legal reason why that should nullify any NTC or NMC.

      I get why fans and GMs *wish* it were that way, but it’s a clause in a contract. Even if you tried to add some legal language around “asking for a trade” the player (or agent) can just tell the GM they “are open to a trade” etc. There’s literally no way to make it stick. Again, as long as the player maintains that they’ll play out the contract.

      And remember, in this situation, it’s more a case of Jason making it clear well in advance that he has no intention of resigning after his current deal ends. Murray WANTS to trade Spezza on that fact alone. Even if Spezza wanted to play here next year but still planned to leave Murray would be looking to trade him now to get value back.

  • Sandy

    How can Chicago afford Spezza. I realize new contracts for Kane & Toews won’t kick into until 2015/16.
    Their cap space right now is 770K with 21 players. So they would have to move out 7M.
    Murray wants a tough winger for line 3, could be Bickell at 4M. He’s decent throughout the year but money in the playoffs. But he has a NTC — so another issue.

    Question is, who else would they have to add to stay below the cap.

    • RandomThought

      I think it was more likely when the cap was expected to be higher.. Seems like they’d have to move Bickell+one of their mid-pair D-men (or Sharp..)

  • Sandy

    Just checked Chicago’s capgeek again. Marian Hossa doesn’t have a NTC?

    • The Apostle

      NO, but he does have a contract that runs until the end of time

    • RandomThought

      I’m pretty sure the recapture penalty on Hossa is way worse for Chicago if he retires early after being traded. They’ll miss out on all the seasons where his cap-hit is larger than salary. Could end up having a ridiculous cap penalty if he retires in 2019 or 2020 after being traded (like 13million dollar penalty in 2020 according to capgeek).

  • CUP 2014-15

    I think there is being to much made of this. Spezza earned his NTC and has the right of refusal and BM is doing what is best for the Sens in letting other teams know interest is higher then expected by the media as he obviously got “an offer I can live with”. I don’t understand not going to Nashville. It’s one of the better cities in the league, the best tax situation in the NHL, they already have star power and they just added a top flight winger. It’s just one year and then he could go anywhere that wanted him ( Heatley quote) Maybe he just hates country music. Regardless, I don’t hold any ill will against Spezz for his choice. As for BM, he is doing the right thing, he needs to get the best deal he can and as he has said all along, he would not allow anyone to talk to JS until he had a deal, so we know it was done. This will get uglier before it’s done but I for one will focus on the good we have ahead of us and not on pass relationships that went bad. I am a Sens fan and as of this morning, I could care less about history, DH, DA or JS. I will be looking forward to the signing of BR and CMac along with Mark Methot as well as what we may grab on July 1. Good bye Spezz, enjoy your future.

  • Dirk-Diggler

    I think Bryan Murray has to step down. He’s showing that while he may be the experienced guy out there, the young GM’s are the new breed! The game has passed BM by and he’d be better as team president or some other role like that.

    • WaitingSince92

      Bullshit.

      I only wonder what Bryan could do if he wasn’t hampered at every turn by a budget.

      The Spezza thing is a bowl of shit that got served to him. Now he has to eat it, knowing the results can’t possibly be ideal.

      • CUP 2014-15

        Agree, BM is well respected in this league and with the exception of the Turris and Bishop deals, he generally make deals that are good for both teams. Any fan that expects their GM to win all trades is living in a fantasy. He has established a good young core of quality personal. Karl, KT, CMac, BR, ZBAD, Stone, Methot are all guys that would be a joy to have a beer with. Lazar seems like a great kid as well. This is going to be a less talented team without Spezz but a tougher team to play against. GSG.

      • KJ

        Bullshit again. BM accepted the job and the extension. I believe he believes he can make a great team under whatever constraints are placed on him. I think the budget is a mirage anyway. No point spending with a rebuild team, so not yet. We will see though when the prospects mature.

      • TookieIs100PercentRight

        You don’t have to wonder. He didn’t have that limit earlier in his tenure and all we got were first round exits and a team loaded with band-aid veterans.
        Budget or no, Murray’s skillset is limited; good to quite good on the prospect/youth front and mediocre on the pro and contract front.
        TOOKS100% OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Garrioch’s reliable source

      Would you work for Eugene Melnyk ?

      There aren’t too many GM’s better than BM who would.

  • Terry

    I do not blame Spezza at all, he is a point per game centre not a defensive specialist. Until Nashville traded for Neal, the Predators were a defense first team. Nashville is in a transition period with a new coach. Spezza didn’t want to go there and be “possibly” in the same situation he was in Ottawa, were media and fans alike rip apart his defensive game. He is NOT a defensive player, and after 12 years (I think) in the lead can he change his game in the blink of an eye? Ottawa fans hoped he could, PM hoped he could but he could not, at least not in 1 season. I don’t blame him for “suggesting he would be open to a trade”. After that long of being told your defensive game sucks I would look to go somewhere, that I wasn’t asked to be as defensive.
    And I believe the Predators got Neal after they tried for Spezza, but I could be wrong.

    • Harv

      Yzerman did it. I guess he wasn’t the player Spezza is.

      • Terry

        Are you really comparing Spezza to Yzerman?

        • CUP 2014-15

          iI think the comparison is the fact the SY was willing to change his game for the betterment of the team, and I get his point

          • Terry

            He did become better defensively, over the course of multiple seasons.

          • CUP 2014-15

            I don’t think anyone in their right mind could compare the two and SY was never an “I” player in anyway. I can’t remember the total number but he was the final cut from team Canada 4-5 times and was asked to stick around for practice reasons every time and did so for Team Canada, not himself. Very few SY type people out there in any situation, just a special guy.

          • Terry

            I agree. Rumors were that at one point, the relationship between Stan Bowman and Stevie Y was so strained he was almost traded to Ottawa!! I would have loved that.
            Steve Yzerman and Joe Sakic are 2 of my favourites.

          • CUP 2014-15

            Nice choices, great players, leaders and good people. Man they were fun to watch.

          • Terry

            Yep.

          • Garrioch’s reliable source

            “Scottie” Bowman methinks.

          • Terry

            Thanks. I corrected my mistake.

          • Garrioch’s reliable source

            YEP – post of the day.

          • Harv

            I think you are confusing the concepts of “comparing” and “equating”. You can compare anything to anything. But, I sure do not equate Spezza to Yzerman. Spezza loses out in any comparison with Yzerman when it comes to “team”.

        • Harv

          Yes, I will compare Yzerman to Spezza and not to Spezza’s advantage. Yzerman changed his game for the team. Thanks CUP.

          My problem with Spezza is that he has the skill to play strong defence as well as astrong offense. He just does not have the will.

      • KJ

        Apples and oranges…

    • Sensnation

      Spezza has indeed improved his all around game since he first made it into the league, including his defense. It’ll never be to the level some fans/coaches want, but he’s the type of player that picked at least 1 aspect of his game to improve every offseason.

      You are correct, from all accounts Nashville got Neal after the Spezza deal fell through.

  • Dirk-Diggler

    Buffalo is buying out Ehrhoff!!! That’s huge… Ottawa should sign him!!!!!

    • CUP 2014-15

      That makes no sense to me. His cap hit is great. WTF

      • jimmyjohnson

        umm he’s terrible, overrated and overpaid.

        Think about this: the guy everyone gushes over and thinks should have been BM’s heir apparent makes his first big offseason roster move by buying out Erhoff.

        Honestly, I don’t know what you guys see when you’re watching this game

        • CUP 2014-15

          Opinions JJ, You think he’s terrible and I think he’s a top 4 D. Can’t argue with you on that.

          • jimmyjohnson

            You can when San Jose let him go for nothing and Buffalo can’t trade him.

            HF opinion is how this guy gets overrated. And HF opinion boils down to the same offseason he was signed, everybody on that site predicted Buffalo would be dominant, and look what happened.

            There’s no defending your opinion. Facts argue successfully against it. Sorry.

            He’s a glorified 5 that got overpaid in the frenzy. More just like him will come every year.

          • jimmyjohnson

            My mistake. I woke up ornery today.

            Yeah opinions, that’s fair. I don’t hold a high one vs. what so many others think.

            The buyout makes more sense to me now though. Probably less to do with TM and other GMs opinions than I wanted to believe.

          • CUP 2014-15

            Fair enough, personally, a little hung over after opening a new bottle of single malt at 2am, dumb, dumb, dumb

          • jimmyjohnson

            lol try 7am next time. That’ll ruin your week!!

            Hope you feel better lol

          • KJ

            No. Not dumb! Well, the scotch part :) maybe at 2am though.

          • Lucretia

            If Tim Murray doesn’t like him I doubt his uncle would.

      • jimmyjohnson

        I saw the cap team comment btw and lol

        • CUP 2014-15

          I am not sure there is a better or more committed owner in the league today.

          • jimmyjohnson

            You called them a cap team needing to shed salary bro. That was clearly erroneous.

          • CUP 2014-15

            What are you talking about? I never said anything about shedding salary, I said they are a Cap team (willing to spend to.) Where the hell are you getting this salary shedding crap?

          • jimmyjohnson

            Your comment disappeared when I wrote that. I read the cap team comment, combined it with the buyout, and figured you were saying they needed to shed salary during the rebuild.

          • CUP 2014-15

            No, I was responding to Erhoff being let go because they were a budget team.

    • FistsofNeil25

      Budget man…. Budget.

      • CUP 2014-15

        They may stink but they are a Cap team, money is not an issue in Buff sinse Pegula bought the team.

      • jimmyjohnson

        What???

        Budget??

        You guys are clinging to this idea that he’s good despite all evidence to the contrary.

        They have to ADD salary! They aren’t anywhere close to the floor.

        And if he’s good, why was it impossible to trade him?

        • FistsofNeil25

          It wasn’t impossible to trade him. It just didn’t make sense for Buffalo to trade him with the cap recapture rules. Ehrhoff is now one of the best free agents on the market. He would be the Sens second best defenseman.

          • jimmyjohnson

            I must be missing something. I’m sure it’s my bias against the player (more specifically against the notion that he’s a number 2 on any team). Why exactly did they buy him out, in your opinion?

          • FistsofNeil25

            Length of contract. If he retires before the end of his contract there will be steep cap recapture penalties against Buffalo. It was a move made with the long term interest of the team in mind.

            Most comments I’ve seen from sabres fans lead me to believe they still think he was their top defenseman.

            He’s still a really good top four defenseman. I have no idea what Buffalo is going to do this year. They’re so far under the cap floor and they’re going to struggled to sign any free agents this summer.

          • jimmyjohnson

            I question the whole “really good top-4 defenseman” thing but I see what you’re saying. If he retires before the three $1M years at the end of his contract, it hits them with almost $3.5M in penalties during what they hope is their window to win.

          • jimmyjohnson

            I see…
            I get it now.

            That recapture penalty was harsher than I suspected it would be.

    • Max2166

      The Sens should make an offer to Erhoff. Buffalo will have to pay him a certain amount for a few years not to play for them.

    • Sandy

      I can’t see any reason why he would sign in Ottawa.

  • Floridasensfan

    Things looking rough for the team so far, really hard to see a scenario where we are a better team next year or even the year after, we sure need some good news.

  • Max2166

    Hopefully this is resolved Tuesday when the team that does not sign Statsny will call Bryan Murray about Jason Spezza.

    • Hax

      Not just “team” but “teams”. If Chicago can’t clear cap room and St Louis signs Stastny then Spezza may decide to accept the Nashville trade. Or Dallas/Colorado might step in and try to make a better offer.

      I know it’s gloomy, but Murray still has lots of options and can still come out of this okay.

      • FistsofNeil25

        The Nashville option isn’t a good one anymore. Poile may be willing to acquire him but not at as high of a price as before. There’s too much risk in it for him now knowing that Spezza was reluctant to play there and probably wouldn’t sign an extensions.

      • Max2166

        I think Dallas will be involved Tuesday if they can not sign Statsny. Nill would have to offer Chiasson and Nishnukin for Spezza.

  • A-Train

    Not sure we can say Spezza starting the season in Ottawa is “not an option”.

    Luongo anyone?

    • Conor_smythe

      ya seriously, why the fuck not? Oh ya.. because Bryan Murray fucked up the trade process by telling the media EVVVVVVERYTHING

      I can see why Melnyk likes Murray so much… neither of them have a clue when to shut their yaps

    • Garrioch’s reliable source

      Rick Nash ?

  • PraiseAlfie11

    So here’s the thing for me: money aside, was there any scenario where pitt would have traded Neal here?

    Michalek – spezza – Neal would have been an insane first line.

    • jimmyjohnson

      Michalek-Spezza is the worst, least complimentary pairing in the history of sports.

      • Conor_smythe

        THANK YOU!!! I’ve been saying this forrrrrever… people like to point to Michaleks 35 goal (9 empty netters) season (most of his goals assisted by foligno/alfie.. not spezza) and say they have great chemistry… they do not

        • jimmyjohnson

          I feel like Murray forced it to save face on the Heatley fiasco. No proof, but its the only explanation I can come up with.

  • FistsofNeil25

    Spezza hasn’t done anything wrong here. He asked the club to move him if they aren’t serious about putting together a contending team. Ain’t nothing wrong with that. He put together a list of 10 teams he could not be traded to as per the contract that Bryan Murray gave him. Ain’t nothing wrong with that. He nixed a trade to one of those teams. Ain’t nothing wrong with that.

    Does anyone notice how Spezza and his agent have remained quiet thriughout this entire process? Does anyone notice how it was Bryan Murray that publicized the trade request and the reasons why the player wanted out. Do you guys realize that it’s Murray that told the media that Spezza rejected a move to Nashville?

    Spezza has done nothing wrong this entire time. Murray needs to keep quiet and not let on to the media what he’s doing. Just go about your business quietly Murray and get us the best deal possible. Stop trying to throw Spezza under the bus because any intelligent fan will see right through the bullshit.

    • jimmyjohnson

      “any intelligent fan will see right through the bullshit”

      Yesterday, Twitter exploded with outrage from fans blaming Spezza for exercising his NTC.

      • FistsofNeil25

        Exactly my point. Bunch of dummies blaming Spezza for nothing.

        • KJ

          Murray hasn’t done anything wrong either. Simply answered the Media’s questions. Yet this is somehow perceived as negative! It maybe messed up their drafting plans but that is about it. But if you listen to Dorion, they got their guy anyways

    • Garrioch’s reliable source

      YEP – JS19 is NOT the villian here.
      Like every 30 year old NHLer – he wants to win a Cup before his career is over

  • iKarly65

    IMO, if OTT knew BUF was planning on a buyout of Ehrhoff, then here’s what I would have done:

    Trade Prince for him, or a 7th round pick, or something miniscule. Then I would know that clearing up space in a Spezza trade would allow this move, and I would consider taking a hit on a Spezza trade and look at the addition of Ehrhoff as a piece of that deal.

    So you could trade Spezza to STL for Beglund, Rattie and a 2nd. (an example) and really you can look at the bigger picture of it as Spezza for Ehrhoff, Beglund, Rattie and a 2nd.

    • Dirk-Diggler

      Ya, or you could have added a piece like Methot or Gryba or Wiercioch to any Spezza package to get a better return…

    • jimmyjohnson

      So Prince equals a 7th round pick now… okay.

    • Sandy

      There is speculation that Buff was worried about the recapture penalty should Ehroff retire before the contract ended. They spend to the top of the cap, so that should be a worry for them. Even if they trade him that’s still an issue.

  • Don Ciccio

    Hey Chirp, someone on Hockeybuzz in Yost’s blog that goes under Cup 06 has speculated that the Stl offer for Spezza was Berglund + 21st pick and Murray wanted Oshie + 21st pick. Do you know if that is true or not?
    I know that Spezza has done nothing wrong with denying the Nash trade but if Spezza is only willing to re-sign with Stl or say Chi then, Ottawa’s return is really diminished because everyone will know that he won’t re-sign with them thus kind of forcing their hand ala Kesler. The best thing for Ottawa would be for Stastny to either sign with Stl NYRTorNsh or Chi thus leaving a huge bidding war for Spezza…..Actually the best thing would be for Ottawa to sign Stastny and then get even more assets for Spezza…..I know that won’t happen but wouldn’t it be great.

    • http://www.crashthenet.ca/ Luc Wolfe

      Yea, could be made up since it’s on Hockeybuzz.

    • SensChirp

      As I understood it, St. Louis was reluctant to include their first round pick in the offer. But yes, the Blues were definitely consistent in offering Berglund as the main piece.

      • sprucesens

        Any idea what would Nash offer up after the Neal deal ?

    • A-Train

      I think we should drop the term “bidding war” when we’re talking about Spezza. We can yell and scream all we want about what a valuable player he is….but all evidence points to the fact that other teams see him as a guy they can grab on the cheap or not at all.

      Don’t think the Stastny signing will change the dynamic all that much.

    • CUP 2014-15

      Can’t even read Yost anymore. 10 months or so of negativity is enough. I don’t need someone with rose colour glasses but this guy takes every opportunity to bash players, management ownership and the organization without a single positive thing in months. I think he got a hate on for the organization sense he was hacked. And if I read underlying numbers as a way of explaining anything I know it’s a quote from him.

      • Conor_smythe

        ya, plus all the commentors there are f*cking 12 year olds

        • CUP 2014-15

          No shit, I will go there from time to time to read comments from other organization fans.

        • Don Ciccio

          Don’t you post there? You usually bash Karlsson every chance you get if I am not mistaken.

          • Conor_smythe

            I don’t have an account there… I love Karlsson… he’s the best defenceman in the league

            not QUITE captain material.. but he’s getting there

          • Don Ciccio

            My apologies, if must be someone with a similar username as you.

      • jimmyjohnson

        Did you take a gander at his post yesterday on the Spezza NTC thing? That was a long winded and impossible read. The guy is a pompous blowhard. I keep trying to get through his articles but its so tough.

      • KJ

        Gotta agree with you here. Way too negative and he has propagated much of the Melnyk hate IMO with his blogs.

    • sprucesens

      I hope stastny goes east or to Chicago. Richards maybe in Pitts or back to Tampa? Oshie plus is a tough ask , but glad Murray isn’t accepting berglund as prime piece. Dallas, stl, Chicago Tampa still top suitors I think

      • Don Ciccio

        I’m glad Murray didn’t make that trade either if it involved Berglund + 21st especially if you go by what Dorion was saying in that he would have taken Erglund in the 1st if he had that pick.

    • Sandy

      Spezza can’t refuse a trade to any team not on his no-trade list.
      If he wants Chi or St Louis that’s fine but if Dallas comes with the best offer and they are not on the list, he has to go there.

      • Don Ciccio

        I understand that but, you are not reading what I am saying. If Spezza does not want to re-sign with anyone other than Chi or Stl then, that depreciates his value.

    • peetypuck

      Mike Fisher was traded for the 21st pick plus a 3rd (2nd?) round pick. 2011 was a much better draft too.

  • Conor_smythe

    Would love it if the sens had money

    Hemsky-Spezza-Vanek
    Mac-Turris-Ryan
    Hoff-Zib-Stone
    Condra-JGP-Prince

    actually, we dont even need much more money to do that.. just need to get rid of some dead fucking weight (neil, greening, phillips, Anderson, smith)

    I’m convinced Murray just signs any player he can, and doesnt actually write down lineup combinations until its too late.. then he realizes he never needed certain players to begin with

  • jimmyjohnson

    Just a few comments below, we have another comment on Shane Prince holding minimal value. I realize that there are reasons why so many feel that way (from his supposed request to move to his draft position) but let me point out the following:

    Stats aren’t everything but in their draft years, Shane Prince outscored last nights 5th overall Michael Dal Colle in ppg. Even if you adjust for the fact that MDC didn’t have Tyler Toffoli around to boost his production and you give the edge to MDC, keep in mind that Prince likely would have been a top-10 pick on Friday night, if he had the draft year he did in 2013-14 instead of 10-11.

    Let’s not be so quick to give away a talented prospect.

  • laffin681021

    Ehrhoff being bought out? Let’s target him and use a D or 2 in the Spezza package if possible

    • sprucesens

      Yeah I can see us inquiring for sure. Timmy returning the conacher favour? Need to package d up though. So far, for this team having “big moves in the offseason” we have yet to see a single move. I’m at odds, I want the 1st to get here so we can see what’s happening, but then my 5 day weekend will be over!

      • Sandy

        No big moves can be made until July 1.

        • laffin681021

          Well let’s hope something good happens on July 1st. I’m actually all for keeping Spezza if we resign Hemsky and stand pat on Michaleks contract offer (he can be replaced internally). Only problem is getting Melnyk to pony up which we all know won’t happen. Let’s just tank and get Mcdavid or Eichel? sounds good

  • Sandy

    So this tidbit on TSN under their Sunday notes:

    ” A source told LeBrun that the Blues were in contact with the Senators on Sunday but declined to trade their second-round pick in a possible package.”

    Their freakin’ 2nd round pick late in the order? I think it was more or less the player they wanted to send. A 3rd line winger with a major shoulder injury. How can they even be allowed to offer up an injured player for a trade? That’s ridiculous.

    • aegiszx

      Wasnt LeClaire and Michalek injured at the time we got them? Cant seem to remember…

      • Sandy

        LeClaire I don’t think had an injury, but Michalek had a history of knee injuries but Murray liked him for some time.
        LeClair was just born under a black cloud. I mean , how can you break a jaw sitting on the freakin’ bench.

        • xiorcal

          Leclaire came in with an ankle injury. He was off for the full season and started for us the next year. I think he was still in a cast when he gave is first interview after the trade.

          • KJ

            As long as they clear the medicals I believe it’s ok. Team or nhl could reject

  • Sandy

    Sabres are 20M from the cap floor and need to sign about 8 or 9 players. I guess they will be busy on July 1st.

    • Don Ciccio

      Maybe they are making room for Spezza……Joking

      • Garrioch’s reliable source

        Spezza is NOT on Tim Murray’s Christmas card list.

    • jimmyjohnson

      They can spend over $2.5M on each player. That’s crazy. I bet he signs a bunch of scrubs and blatantly tanks for McD lol

      • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

        It’s already pretty blatant imo

  • jimmyjohnson

    Christian Erhoff signed a 10 year 40 million dollar contract in 2011. When the buyout in 2014 is complete, he will have made $36M of that $40M lol.

    Forget Toews and Kane! Christian Erhoff was the NHL’s first $12M player!

  • BeJamin

    Sens better offer Erhoff the moon. Fantastic player. Go after him Murray!

    • The Logic Police

      Melnyk has sold the moon to the Saturn junk bonds consortium

  • aegiszx

    No thanks to Erhoff… His character and decision making abilities are questionable…

    He said he signed with the Sabres due to “their ability to turn the team into a serious contender” and was blown away by their ability to commit to his ridiculous contract demands… At the time the Isles had his rights after he failed to come to an agree with the Canucks (and this was right after they went to the SCF)…

    Why would you choose to go to Buff instead of sign with Tavares, Okposo & Co.? It sounds like to me like he has no desire to actually compete for a Cup… Just another paper chaser.

    • ProfessorPower

      If we want a dman we should trade for one..we have 8 signed

    • jimmyjohnson

      His on ice decision making is exactly why I don’t want him on the team.

      ….but his gf/20 and ga/20 are fantastic. I have trouble arguing with those numbers…

    • BeJamin

      That’s not logical at all. First of all, Erhoff isn’t “choosing” to leave Buffalo. He’s being bought out. The reason he isn’t being traded is because Buffalo fears the salary cap re-capture problem. Something they might have addressed by retaining 2M or so of his salary (in a significant way) but it was still a tenuous money situation. Buffalo, as a team, was expected to be better. Much better. They thought, we have an owner willing to spend – we should be able to compete. Erhoff thought the same. And yes, he rightfully wanted to get paid whilst doing so. He’s an excellent defender. Whatever bullshit you’ve made up in your head about his “character” without obviously knowing him at all as a person, is just your opinion. On the ice, despite playing for a garbage team, his underlying analytics have been fantastic. He will easily be the best signing in free agency this year for whatever team gets him.

      • jimmyjohnson

        I don’t disagree that the notion of his character being an issue seems to be made up, but his last two organizations let him walk for nothing and now he’s being bought out. At what point do the decisions made by league executives start to factor in to how you view him? (and fyi I get why the buyout is occurring now, but a regular buyout was an options for them several year from now if they wanted to retain him).

        • KJ

          Last year for compliance buyouts though

  • Nicholas Rawlins

    What’s the point of spezza being asked to submit a list if youre gonna just bypass it and talk trade with those teams anyway?

    • Sandy

      Because Spezza and his agent told Murray he could talk to teams on the no-trade list and bring the info back to the agent and Spezza would look at it.

  • Sandy

    Spezza could have just stayed the year in Ottawa knowing it was his last and just told Murray next April he wasn’t go to stay.
    At least he is giving Murray the option of trading him for something.

    • sprucesens

      while yes he is being open with his future plans, and that’s good, but murray could have traded him to the same 20 teams regardless. This way, he just feels less evil about it

    • KJ

      Murray is trying to accommodate Spezza though. If it were up to him Spezza would still be on his team. BM is not giving him away.

  • Sandy

    Let’s say it comes down to Chi, Das & St Louis at the end battling it out.
    What would each team offer that would be sufficient for Murray to accept the deal.
    Let’s be realistic, what would make sense and what it would take.

    • aegiszx

      The top 4 of CHI’s D, Toews/Kane/Hossa/Sharp, Shaw, Smith, Kruger, Saad, Tuevo, and Morin are their future, so those guys arent moving either.. So to answer your question, realistically, the moveable parts out of CHI right now are:

      Oduya, Versteeg, Roszival, Rundblad, and draft picks 2-7th round…

      • jimmyjohnson

        I’ll take Kruger, Teuvo, their 2nd next year and in 2016.

        “Who cares about the future!!”

        • aegiszx

          If they move ANY of the young guys, it’s Kruger, Nordstrom or Morin. Tuevo is going to be the next star to come out of the Hawks org, and Stan knows it, which is why theyre really trying to get him over to North America ASAP and onto the roster.

          Any conversation that starts with Saad, Tuevo, or Smith is going to be a quick one, followed by Stan falling out of his chair laughing…

          • Sensnation

            That’s a really hard statement to back up. Teuvo was rumored in discussions for Kessler.

          • jimmyjohnson

            I was kind of …joking…. That return I posted is enormous.

  • jimmyjohnson

    I wonder how many of the people that are angry at Spezza would have said “I wish he’d have used his NTC” when they saw the return for him lol

  • Sandy

    So after Brad May trashed the Sens on national TV over Spezza wanting out, he goes on a golf trip with Karlsson?
    I wonder what type of garbage he spewed to him.

  • Brock

    To be honest, I really don’t give a shit about Spezza anymore.

  • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

    Havlat bought out.

    • Sandy

      He’s not coming here either.

      • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

        Nope

    • Trilby LaRue

      KHL next year

  • SENSsmile

    Each passing day, I have less and less respect for team management. How is it that they (Murray et al.) always manage to screw things up and make it look like it’s only the player’s fault?

    Yes we all know that Heatley was an ass-hole, fair enough.

    And then came the Alfie saga: his fault, Murray’s fault, Melnyk’s fault… in other words another clusterfuck.

    And now here we go again with Spezza. What the hell was Murray thinking when he tried to dump Spezza to Nashville, one of the 10 cities on his no-go list?

    Jesus!

    • WaitingSince92

      What do you want? You can’t make him receive better offers. My guess is you’d hate him a lot more if he had accepted on of the low-ball offers he’s received.

      The alfie thing is simple. We didn’t offer him enough money and we didn’t commit to spending on a winning team. All comes down to money and melnyk is in charge of that.

      Asking him to put together a winner and keep all the players happy while being on a budget is just a recipe for disaster. Like asking someone to run a marathon, but they don’t get any water and their legs are tied together.

      • SENSsmile

        I’m not disagreeing with your points, but the fact remains that Murray shouldn’t have tried to ship Spezza to Nashville. That, in itself, is making him look pretty dumb. That’s the thing with the Sens these days: it’s always someone’s fault, no matter from which angle you look at it. Bottom line: this is not a healthy environment.

        • Sensnation

          No, it’s not the Sens that are the problem, it’s the media and fans that are killing this market. Few players want to play for Toronto and Montreal, and if we continue down this path even fewer will want to play here as we have less money and as much self-entitlement to success.

          • Sandy

            Being two original 6 teams, I think players would sooner go to Mtl & Tor rather than Ottawa.

          • Sensnation

            Yes, that’s what I’m saying, with less money and as much fan pressure and bs, we are falling fast.

          • Aaron 2.0

            I don’t know. Sens are part of the problem right now, IMO. Management seems very interested in public relations right now. At times, it seems that’s more important than just managing the roster. Maybe that is coming from higher up. I get fans are fickle (me included). I get that the media is the media. But, for me, the team isn’t helping themselves right now. Ownership hasn’t been coherent in the path forward. And, I really feel half of what management says these days is for PR.

          • Sensnation

            Everyone thinks they can read through the lines with Murray and management, but truthfully we have no clue what is going on behind closed doors. All we can say for sure is we have a budget right now, and we have more tv revenue coming in down the road. Our team is young after 3 years of rebuild, and our fans want a cup. Even when management is straight forward or coherent fans still miss the message.

          • Aaron 2.0

            Yeah, I agree with you. None of us really know what’s going on behind closed doors. But, fans are being fed different things at different times (whether it’s on spending, or players). I think that is true about Spezza. Management has went out of their way to paint themselves as the victim here. You might be right about fans in general. But, when messages are either incoherent or shamelessly self-serving, it’s hard to blame fans or the media in isolation for what’s happening right now.

          • Sensnation

            Fans and media twist every word out of the organisation right now. They could say hi, how are you doing and everyone would claim Karlsson is getting traded.

            As for media, it’s mainly controlled by leafs fans, of course they want to create negative vibes around Sens news. Why do more people not see this? Every sens information they release has a rib shot attached to it.

            We’re on a budget, that sucks, but we’re a small market we need to be realistic with our expectations.

          • Aaron 2.0

            Fair enough. Although with new tv contracts, some media should be interested in building the sens up. They are part of the product. Last post for me on this, I promise. I get that media twists things. It’s always true for any story. They have their own interests in selling their product. I just feel that right now, the team is making it really, really easy for the media to do what they do.

          • Sensnation

            Murray makes it easy because he’s old school. Comes across overly honest, which he is a bit, but he’s a lot more coy than it appears. Most of the info he gives is politically correct rhetoric that then gets turned into something when it was nothing.

        • Sandy

          Murray had permission to talk to teams on the no-trade list and Spezza & his agent would look at it.
          So Murray had permission to speak to all teams. But Spezza had the right to say no to each and any team on his list.

          • sprucesens

            yup, what sandy said. all murray did was be honest and say what happened. He had a deal offered to him, and it was turned down because of NTC. Nobody has done anything wrong. It’s only a big deal if we make it one. And really, it might be a return that most fan’s wouldn’t like. Or it might be a great one. If after the fact, we find out it was a great offer, then we can be mad. But if not, everyone has done their job and commented appropiately. I think the only murray could have done is not specifically name nashville. Having said that, he probably had his reasons for mentioning their name. Either way, we would have speculated it was them anyway

          • Sandy

            He should have said nothing. When asked about Nashville, he should have said they are on his no-trade list so that’s not happening.
            End of story. He said too much.

        • sprucesens

          who said he “tried’? Nashville came to us with a fair offer. Murray asked spezza if he would go there. He said no, at least for now. Which is exactly what spezza’s agent had said before ANY trades were serious. If a team on the list made a good offer to ask him. Murray did, and spezz said no. Murray just happened to release this bit of info, which is a truth. In reality, it shouldn’t make anyone mad at anyone. He gave the NTC, and spezza has the NTC. Neither party has done anything wrong.

        • Sensnation

          Murray should speak to all 30 teams to get a sense of who would pay and how much they would pay. This is how you create the marketplace for a trade. Once you get your highest offer you either get the player to accept going there, or use it as your baseline.

          At the end of the day Murray keeps saying over and over he does not want to trade Spezza.

        • WaitingSince92

          Why not? No rule saying he can’t try, as long as he doesn’t complain when Spezza refuses, which Jason has every right to do.

          I feel like it makes him look more desperate (lack of enticing offers) than dumb.

          Everyone around the league knows and respects Murray’s “hockey mind”. That’s not just my random opinion.

          I really, really feel that a lot of problems stem from the budget. It’s has a ripple effect that changes everything.

    • Sandy

      Heatley didn’t like Clouston and being on the 2nd PP.
      Alfie left to go to a team committed to winning. Spezza is leaving to go to a team committed to winning.
      Ottawa is committed to saving the Owner money.

      • Jakester

        Sens want Spezza gone, stop this he wants to leave to a committed team. THE senators want him elsewhere cuz his play SUCKS. The team wants To go with possession players like TUrris and Zibby. Spezz would’ve been Happy sticking around collecting his paycheck playing what he thinks is Hockey!

  • Sensnation

    This will only get ugly if fans and media turn it that way. There’s nothing wrong with Murray being honest about the process and keeping us informed. If he just kept quiet fans would be even more frustrated. Let it play out!

    • Sandy

      He should be quiet. Makes the organization look bad.

      • Sensnation

        Only if you overreact to every piece of news. The info would get leaked anyways, it’s better he’s being open about it. Fans would be more stressed out if they hear rumors he was being shopped and the org said nothing.

  • Michenator

    Everyone take a deep breath. There will be other offers and other chances. At the end of the day Spezza is a top 1st line centre in this league. People want that and we have it. It’ll be fine. Patience.

    • jimmyjohnson

      Nope.

      No other offer will ever be as good as the mystery box offer from Nashville.

      It might have even been a boat!

      • Trilby LaRue

        “matching luggage and a dream vacation” is my guess

        • jimmyjohnson

          No No.. We’re talking about Nashville… Vancouver is rebuilding.

    • Jakester

      He’s number one center when he gets involved defensively, I didn’t see that last year. I hope he shows a little heart with his new team!

  • Millennium

    If you don’t want a player using his NTC, don’t give him one in the first place (and see how far that gets you at the bargaining table come contract time).

    I don’t blame Spezza on this one. And I don’t like Murray and Poile making the comments that they did. We don’t need to be THAT team, that torches the reputation of every player that leaves our organization. Murray gambled on a PR stunt, and lost in my opinion.

    This is now a lose-lose situation. We can’t keep him, and we can’t give him away for spare parts, but the offers aren’t there yet. If all the talk hadn’t been made public, this could have been a non-issue for the public.

    In the end, its the fans that lose.

    • Sandy

      Murray’s comments were not that bad. He was asked a question about Nashville and he answered mentioning he could go there. But he did take the deal to Spezza and he said no. That should have been kept quiet.
      Poile is the one who went over the line.

      • Aaron 2.0

        I think for people who are bringing up the PR aspect of this, it’s not necessarily any one example, but rather the pattern that is bothering us. Examples about Alfredsson being offered a blank cheque, and Spezza not liking being the scapegoat for the team. These sort of statements aren’t necessary by management. At the same time, Murray really shouldn’t share trade negotiations with the public. They’re desperate moves, IMO. If management doesn’t want to be more honest about the situation (and I can understand why they may not want to be), may I suggest hiring a PR firm to come up with a coherent public strategy.

        • Sensnation

          You don’t think that by Murray indicating Spezza was tired after a decade of scapegoating, that he was sending a message to fans and media to smarten up a bit?

          • Aaron 2.0

            No, quite the opposite for me. Fans will always be fans. I think Spezza is being pushed under a moving double-decker bus.

          • Sensnation

            Karlsson will be next then if fans don’t learn. Canadian fans are ruining their markets right now, and more and more players are echoing this sentiment publicly. When will fans learn?

            Fans have always been fans, but the scrutiny and negativity thrown at NHL teams in Canada is beyond what it ever was in the past. We can’t act like this is just normal, 10-20 years ago this would be beyond excessive, hard to accept it’s the new norm unless we want to accept less players wanting to play in Canada.

          • Aaron 2.0

            Well, I’d argue Murray saying what he did about Spezza will also have just a negative effect about players wanting to sign here. Social media makes things different today, with respect to the news cycle. I don’t think fans will change. Management can hopefully learn from mistakes made.

          • Sandy

            You said that right. And it doesn’t help with the media bashing the team either.

          • KJ

            You don’t think all the negativity in this forum is having an effect on the org? In a high social media world now it absolutely is. Some of the comments in twitter are atrocious.

          • jimmyjohnson

            I think “fans will be fans” is the Toronto way.

            Not exactly working out, is it?

          • Aaron 2.0

            Lol. I’m not saying that over-reacting fans are helpful. I agree with you guys on that. And, I’m not from Ottawa, but it does look like there are some terrible journalists there. But, this is a hockey-centric market. Not expecting fans to be fanatics would probably mean that we need to re-visit the term fan in the dictionary.

          • jimmyjohnson

            wow so true

          • Sandy

            But that’s a lie. He’s going because he wants the team to spend to win. Same reason as Alfie.

          • jimmyjohnson

            Yeah, you’re right. I’m sure he loves being blamed for every loss, called a playoff no-show and a terrible defensive player.

            Yep, definitely.

          • KJ

            You know this for fact?

          • Sandy

            Do I know for a fact? No. But Spezza has been dealing with criticism for many years. Why now does he want out for that?
            So it makes sense that he wants to play on a team committed to winning. He wants to play with good decent wingers and that’s not happening here either.
            Alfie said when he went to Detroit on a conference call, that he wanted to go to a team that is committed to winning.
            After Spezza is traded, I assume we will hear the same thing from him.

        • jimmyjohnson

          They need to hire a marketing firm, not a pr firm.

          Keep Melnyk from talking and spend money in a couple years. PR issues handled.

        • Sandy

          You got that one right.

    • Sensnation

      Lose-Lose? If Spezza is here in the fall I’m a winner! If we get a decent return for him I feel like I didn’t lose either.

      Info would have been leaked anyways, staying quiet is not an option for GMs anymore in a twitter/smartphone/rumour filled era.

      • KJ

        Exactly

      • Millennium

        After everything that has happened this off season, if Spezza stays for the opening of the season, its a distraction and an added dynamic to the locker room that doesn’t do any good for anyone involved. Does he keep the C, or get stripped? Does the media circus distract the young guys who maybe don’t have the mental acuity to focus through it? Does it effect his play, or how the lines are rolled out? Does that change who the team can afford to go after on July 1st? Its just a situation that the team is probably extremely eager to avoid.

        Obviously if the return is decent they pull the trigger, but the problem is that the return hasn’t been decent thus far. Unless that changes this week, its a bit of a rock-and-a-hard-place situation.

        • Sensnation

          It’s only a distraction if that’s what we decide to focus on. I think he’d retain the C, the media makes it a circus like always and the team does what it does. But as always he’d come play!

          Obviously best case is getting a proper return, but I’d rather have him and the circus here in the fall than trade him for scraps.

  • BeJamin

    I don’t think it will be ugly at all. I’d be quite happy to circle back around and sign Hemsky if Spezza is going to be here. If we don’t get an offer worth moving him over, let’s just keep him and spend a little more. You know all will be forgiven in 25 games into the season Ottawa is tearing up the opposition with Spezza leading the charge. Reality is, I think most fans would be fine with that. Spezza isn’t making an unfair demand. He’s putting pressure on the owner to ice a competitive team. I fully support that sentiment. Good for him. And he should absolutely request to be moved and use the 10 team restriction if Melnyk refuses. The only way Ottawa’s situation is going to get better is for that drunk useless douchebag to realize he’s driving the team into the ground and that Karlsson, Turris & Zibanejad will be next to leave if he doesn’t get his shit together or sell the team.

  • Brock

    I still don’t understand why Melnyk still owns this team.

    • Trilby LaRue

      Simple – he’ll run it into the ground – squeeze every penny out of it
      and then sell it

      • Brock

        I think he’s already done that.

        • Trilby LaRue

          Sadly – it’s just beginning

        • Sandy

          He has too much debt that’s the issue. Not just the Sens but elsewhere. For all we know the team could be collateral against another loan.

          • Deadly

            Debt can sometimes be ok in a business as it is the way to leverage the business.

          • Sandy

            Not Trimel.
            Check page 6 of the last year end report of Trimel as at Sept 30/13(which I think is his main corporation outside of the Sens and his horses which he is selling).
            It’s not actually a very rosy picture.
            I wonder if some of the Sens profits are heading over to Trimel.

            http://trimelpharmaceuticals.com/Portals/0/Q3%202013%20%20Financial%20Statements.pdf

          • jimmyjohnson

            He has a substantial stake in like 12 different businesses.

    • Deadly

      Assuming he is a billionaire as Wikipedia suggests,why would he sell it?
      One reasonably good answer would be good.

      • Brock

        Because he’s hindering it more than he’s helping it succeed.

        • Deadly

          Try again,so are the owners of the Leafs.
          He may not be the best ,but far from the worst.

          • Brock

            What? MLSE are actually willing to put money into their team. Melnyk? Not so much. He has his mind set on spending as close to the cap floor as possible. Why own a team if your not dedicated to winning. Alfredsson, gone. Spezza, gone. Michalek, most likely gone. Why? Because Melnyk can’t put together a winning team, and it’s the most frustrating thing for Sens fans.

          • Sandy

            Amen to that.

          • Deadly

            Clarkson,Phaneuf…ya they spend.
            But why would he sell when he is making profits? Maybe owning a business is a way to make money?

          • Sandy

            The issue is, he isn’t investing any of those profits back into player’s salary.
            They let their franchise player walk away for a diff of about 1.5M. maybe he wasn’t worth the money on the ice, but with his value to the team in other ways it’s not that large a difference to pay him.
            This team went on a good 10 game stretch at the end of the season when Hemsky & Spezza started clicking.
            So with the news Hemsky is gone and Spezza wants to go to a team committed to winning – fans are getting frustrated.
            I would assume Spezza is pretty sick and tired of playing with plugs on his line instead of valid top 6 wingers.

          • Deadly

            It is frustrating but the idea that he is broke is old news. We all want him to spend like crazy but that’s not always the way business owners operate. He is forced to spend a significant percentage of his revenues on player salaries.

      • Sandy

        But he’s not a billionaire any more. Bad investments in start up companies worth a penny stock; a costly divorce and there goes the money.
        As someone else said, with the selling off of his horses the Sens are his only source of income. And with the team and the building combined, don’t fool yourself – he is making money.

        • Deadly

          Not fooling myself, I do believe he is making money. I think he was well established in the horse business with quality assets and operations. I believe he will make money on wrapping up that business as he did with Biovail when he had to sell those shares. If you believe people like him pay half his net worth in divorce settlements ..well maybe he had a good lawyer that fashioned a better deal.
          So ,what would he sell?

          • Sandy

            He sold the Biovail shares at about $17 a share. Probably made a decent profit.
            The new company shares (the co, that bought out Biovail) are now worth $118.
            Should have kept his shares then he wouldn’t be in as much trouble as he is now.
            He didn’t lose half his worth in the divorce but I assume he lost close to 100M.

          • Deadly

            What do you think is their annual net profit is?

          • jimmyjohnson

            $10M

            teeheehee

        • KJ

          Not according to Canadian Business Weekly. He was over 1B as of this January, unless things have drastically changed again for him in last 5 months.

          • Deadly

            So ,given this,why would he sell?

    • KJ

      Huh? What’s Melnyk got to do with this? This is about BM trying to trade his star player, and Spezza not wanting to go to Nashville. Are you suggesting Spezza wanting out has to do with Melnyk? Parties involved have not disclosed Spezza’s reasons for wanting out. I don’t believe the scapegoat reason suggested by BM thus far.

      • FBP

        The person at the top will always have an effect.

        We`d have a good shot at the cup this year (and probably this last year too) if we spent to the cap.

        If we went on a bit of a run this year we`d probably be talking about Spezza`s next contract not which shitty trade we`re waiting on for him.

        All related to Melnyk`s decisions.

        • KJ

          All due respect, but we are not behind closed doors. Sure you can blame Melnyk all you want. Captain of the ship and all that. But BM is negotiating trades, not EM. Yes, ultimately he strokes the cheques and would have to approve money in and out, but I still believe BM is in charge of hockey ops, even everyone else doesn’t.

      • WaitingSince92

        Bud. Get.

        Budget.

        Melnyk has everything to do with this.

      • not YOUR wingman
        • KJ

          Ha. I love people who follow popular opinion.

      • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

        Hey welcome to the board Eugene

        • KJ

          Thanks for the heart felt welcome.

      • Wyzerd

        Melnyk is a poser, just happy to own the team for posterity. He’s created an environment in which top tier players want to exit from, and one that certainly can’t attract new ones. Not making the playoffs last year rests on his shoulders. He screwed Alfie, and did not provide the resources to give the team enough veteran experience on D. At the end of the year he should have made some effort to direct some of the criticism away from the team and Spezza. He did the opposite. In the end he screwed himself out of significant payoff revenues. Likely for years to come……

  • aegiszx

    Haha, Reimer requested a trade, preferably to his hometown, Winnipeg. I think he’d be a solid starter… cant get any worse than Pavelec.

    • Sandy

      Can’t say that I blame him, he was not treated very well by the coach. McLean will just trash the entire team not really one specific guy. Carlyle called him out many times. The guy has no confidence left. He needs to get out of there.
      I hope he doesn’t have a NTC.
      Are they still thinking of trading Phaneuf? He does have a NTC.

    • Sensnation

      Agreed, he’s a great fit in Winnipeg, especially if he wants to be there!

  • Sandy

    What an f’in moron:

    Sean Avery @imseanavery · 7h

    No SH$T #Spezza said NO to living in that dump city #Nashville

    • aegiszx

      Oh ffs…

    • Dirtysweetness

      I think he said that more tongue in cheek.

  • FBP

    If Canada Day isn’t a decent day for the team my Sens fandom will hit an all time low.

    • Sandy

      Enjoy your ‘low’ time.

      • FBP

        This seems like a mean comment.

  • KJ

    Any chance Sens might consider Ehrhoff now that he is a UFA? I thought there was some interest at the deadline (?).

    • Sandy

      I don’t think he comes here at all.

  • Kumar

    There won’t be any activities in Ottawa camp, until we have a solution to Spezza deal. Secondly, it might get even worse when Bryan doesn’t find GMs listing good return. Only teams that will look to add are the once who are his NT areas.
    Finally, Bryan will blame Spezza camp for his inefficiency and couldn’t make deals to land free agent forwards.
    Finally, Ryan must be wondering where the heck this team is heading????

    • Sandy

      That’s the issue. Ryan.
      I don’t know what Murray can do to convince him to stay other than the Team is building around him, Karlsson, Turris, MacArthur and Lehner. And that they will spend when the time is right.
      I also don’t believe that the team is a Cup contender at the moment even if they did spend.
      It’s about convincing Ryan & MacArthur that the core is being built and in a couple of seasons when the timing is right, the team will spend.
      That’s all he can say. But the issue is, can he back it up when push comes to shove.

  • WaitingSince92

    Can you just imagine where Murray would take our team if he had financial freedom to spend to the cap?

    We could have a skilled core with solid supporting vets and younger players earning the few extra spots, instead of having younger players forced to play over their abilities on the 2nd pairing or top six because we can’t convince/entice enough skilled players to stick around.

    I man can dream…

    • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

      I don’t even want to imagine… We would have been sitting very well around now

  • Sandy

    Seems some fans are a little upset with Melnyk.

    https://twitter.com/melnykeugene/status/483251485015150592

    • jtf927

      good on those guys. fans need to start voicing there displeasure. melnyk is an egotistical maniac. unhealthy for the team, its fans, and the city.

    • Magnus Nor

      Please sssh it Melnyk.. But good message.

  • jtf927

    TSN is indicating that both martin and fleury will not be extended beyond the 2014-2015 season. cannot say that i am too surprised about fleury, moreso martin. i wonder if martin would like to come and play for the sens?

    • Deadly

      Sens sign 34 year old defenceman …fans go crazy

      • jtf927

        he’s been half decent. put up some good numbers. if we are on a budget, we need to be realistic about expectations as well. martin would be a good top 4 dman.

        • Deadly

          Agree if we didn’t have Phillips but we have a lot of young developing talent that should be better than what he can bring.

          • jtf927

            well said. i am hoping that all our young dmen really take a step forward this season. we are big, strong, and fast on the backend. i just think that another veteran presence might help.

  • Deadly

    How would you like to e the GM of the Miami Heat?

    • Sensturion

      He’s incredibly happy. I thought they big 3 were leaving Miami, it actually turns out they’re all potentially going to renegotiate their contracts so the team can sign more players.

      • Deadly

        We will see.Long term contracts with NTM clauses.

  • SensChirp

    Really hoping Bryan Murray writes a tell-all book when his career is over. Something tells me the last few chapters would be incredibly entertaining.

    • Doc

      No kidding.

      I highly doubt he imagined his career ending the way it will.

      Any word on if Murray will try and make a push for Ehrhoff?

      • SensChirp

        Haven’t heard anything on that front. They are apparently talking to a couple forwards though.

        • Doc

          Interesting. I guess they are looking at plan Bs if the Spezza trade return isn’t what they expected.

    • Deadly

      From teaching school in the valley,Jr hockey in small town Canada,east and west to US major markets to the Nations Capital ,( small town Canada) he definitely could have some stories to tell.
      At the end of the day, I think have a lot to be proud of.

      • SensChirp

        Absolutely. I really do believe he has one of the toughest jobs in sports right now.

        • Deadly

          Hopefully his experience will shine through. He must have an incredibly strong heart.

          • Doc

            Or patience….

    • Sandy

      Not only is he frustrated with what happened with Alfie and now Spezza, but how can he be expected to put a winning lineup on the ice when the Owner is so tight with the purse strings.
      He must have a lot of patience that’s for sure.

    • jimmyjohnson

      Hopefully it’s a book on tape

  • Sandy

    Jay Durant ✔ @GlobalDurant Follow

    Ryan Miller and his wife spotted getting off an L.A. Flight at YVR this afternoon. #goalieofthefuture? #canucks

    • jimmyjohnson

      The fact that Pittsburgh has no interest is mind boggling

  • Sandy

    Off topic, but apparently a bunch of fans stood outside the hospital that Gino Odjick is in to show their support.

    He came out in a wheelchair and stood among them.

    http://twitter.com/JeremyHunka/status/483353586823221248/photo/1

    • Max2166

      Good luck to Gino Odjick!

  • Kumar

    Bruins are looking to move Marchand, Kelly and Boychuk.

    How about a deal involving Spezza and Wiercioch for Loui Ericksson, Boychuk and Kelly

    • wild bill

      Wiercioch is a keeper.

    • Sensturion

      The reason they’re getting rid of them is because they have absolutely no cap space. Spezza would do nothing to help them in that regard.

    • Sandy

      I’d take Kelly back in an instance. Good on faceoffs and a 200 ft player – but can’t put the puck in the net very often.

      • Sensnation

        I would too. Though could you imagine Condra and Kelly on the same line? They’d have the puck the entire time with zero shots ON NET lol

        • Sandy

          But the PK may be a lot better because of those two or a new special teams coach.

      • Max2166

        I heard the Bruins may buyout Chris Kelly.

    • zippy

      love Boychuk. Love Kelly. ericksson….jury is out

  • KJ

    The cap has actually shrunk or it’s ceiling is less than anticipated and this number of 69 million came out on draft day. No one is talking about this as an impediment to trading Spezza. I think it is a very real influence, and you will see teams shedding. Look at some of the buyouts. Jovanovski only had one year left on his deal!

    • Sensnation

      It’s a good point you make. Chicago may have been a more real candidate, along with Philly and Tampa, if there was a higher ceiling. Not sure how many other teams are in that scenario that would have gone after Spezza though.

      Florida isn’t a cap ceiling team thus far, I think the Jovanovski buyout was coming no matter what, especially after getting Ekblad.

      • KJ

        Indeed. I was just surprised as he was in for just one more year. And he was the Captain. :)

        • Sensnation

          Ya for sure! One of my favourite players when i was younger, but he’s now 38 and barely plays.

          • KJ

            Do you think Panthers fans are upset over this? Na. Probably not. I consider being bought out (it basically says we don’t want you any more) worse than having the GM trying his best to accommodate his star player through a trade. Can’t remember if it was you or not that said this, but it was Nashville that made the offer and BM would have accepted those pieces, but JS declined. We move on. No big deal (pun intended) :) Right?

          • Sensnation

            Not upset at all, just surprised. It definitely says we don’t want you at that price, but I don’t disagree that he’s over the hill. No problem moving on.

  • aegiszx

    Frustrating to know that the Kings won the Cup this year while still having 10 picks in the draft… Meanwhile, we werent even in the playoffs, and we had 4 picks!

    The rich get richer and the poor get poorer! Damn!

    • Doc

      How are the two related?

  • rhume55

    I’d have to watch it again, but it sounded like the reporter asked Murray about the Nashville GM saying, after acquiring Neal, that they are now looking for a centre, and the reporter asked if Spezza could be that center. Murray simply stated, no because he’d had a deal with Nashville and Spezza vetoed it, so Spezza won’t be going to Nashville.

    No anger, no vile, no finger pointing. Just facts.

    I have no problem with what Murray said. Or Spezza’s veto, for that matter.

    It also seems to me that Spezza is 31 and in a contract year so he wants to have the best 80+ point season possible to land a big multi-year contract. In order to have that year, he needs to be playing with other star players, so he doesn’t want to go to a team with a thin lineup. Yes, he probably wants to win a cup too, but my guess is his top priority is building for a killer contract season to land big money long-term.

    • Sensnation

      Completely Agree! He’s got a family to look out for, and deserves to put himself in the best situation for himself and his family going forward.

      • aegiszx

        ^ Agreed… Spezza isnt an 20 yr old kid anymore where he doesnt mind being traded from one city to another… he got his NTC because he’s established himself as a premiere player in this league. He’s put himself into this position and he has the right to take full advantage of his situation.

      • bluebuyyoo

        Don’t disagree about going for a big contract, but unless he develops a serious gambling or drug problem, he and his children’s children will be just fine for some time. $60,795,000 career earnings so far.

        • Sensnation

          Fine for you or me, but he has a small window to earn over 90% of his life’s income, he has a right to try and maximize that.

          • Long Time Lurker

            So he makes 20 times more lifetime than me and all in a shorter timeframe. BOOHOO.

          • Sensnation

            He does a lot of things you will never do, no ones asking you to cry for him.

          • bluebuyyoo

            Well, I think that $60M is a rather good lifetime earning so far. If the average Canadian makes $50,000, it will take him 1200 years to earn $60M. I know that he is heavily taxed, so even if he is taxed at 50%, it will take the average guy 600 years to catch Spezza’s earnings.

            I do agree that he has the right go after whatever he can get, but contrary to what you said, he and his family are in a pretty good situation right now.

            Jealous? Fucking right! Who wouldn’t want to live a pampered life playing a game you love at the highest level for enormous paychecks.

          • Sensnation

            I never said his family was in a bad situation, not sure why you guys are so caught up on that.

          • bluebuyyoo

            Whatever

          • runningbear1974

            An issue that sucks for me is that even though a player makes 60 million from your city… We are supposed to be grateful to him for his services… Whereas, they don’t seem grateful for what we gave them…
            It feels to me at the end of this that Spezza is going to end up resenting us…

  • Sandy

    I’m beginning to think that Spezza said no to Nashville, not because he didn’t like the City or the organization, but because he figures a contender is going to do the deal. If nothing comes from Chi or St Louis, then he may change his mind.

    • aegiszx

      This is what I’m seeing from posters here:

      “Just sign on for a year and then go somewhere else, come on buddy help the team…” Except the fact that well… Jason Spezza is 31 years old.

      Why try to win the Cup in 2 years time when you’re 33 when you can try for it ASAP? Sports is not a young mans game and the window of opportunity closes fast. I would think he knows that. He wants to win next year and we really have no right to stop him after all we’ve put him through.

  • Sandy

    Chirp, any word on Ryan.

    • Max2166

      Good question. I hope Ryan, MacArthur and Methot are signed to long term deals on Tuesday.

      • Sensnation

        Condra wants to know why you left him off your list haha

  • EK65

    Who are the forwards Murray is interested in do you think?

    Hopefully Matt Moulson, Jokinen, Vrbata, Raymond, Kulemin, … who else do you think?

    • Sensnation

      Vanek and Stastny are names you have to put a call into even if you don’t expect to get them.

      Moulson, Grabovski, Setoguchi, Quincey and maybe those last 2 you mention.

      Would not touch Jokinen or Vrbata. If we lose Spezza though, we will need to bring an Ott, Iginla or some sort of veteran leader.

      • Max2166

        I would like Steve Ott.

        • Sandy

          I would prefer a trade to Chi to get Bickell.

          • Max2166

            I thought Chicago had cap issues. Bickell and Oduya.

    • Sandy

      Michalek.
      If it’s Kulemin then it’s probably also Grabovski. They want to play on the same team.
      Reunite the line of Kulemin-Grabovski – MacArthur
      Stone-Turris-Ryan

    • Brock

      Iginla, Mouls…. Oh wait, Melnyk.

  • Sensnation

    Sam Gagner to Tampa for Teddy Purcell.

    • Sandy

      Guess they lost interest in Spezza.

      • Sensnation

        Seems that way, though they just robbed MacT.

        • Deadly

          Nothing gained,nothing lost.Purcell for Gagner.
          Maybe Gagner is a piece of the deal for Spezza.

          • Sensnation

            I could live with that, but Yzerman seems to only have made deals he wins. Almost don’t want a trade with him anymore lol

  • aegiszx

    “Ho-Sang, in a lengthy interview: “If I was a general manager and had first pick in the draft, I’d pick me No. 1 … In three years, I’ll be the best player in this draft. And I have no doubt about that. I know myself. I know the other players. I believe in my ability. There are guys ranked ahead of me who are nowhere near me.

    Hockey is a sport run by conformists for conformists.

    You are asked to fit in. You are asked to check your personality at the dressing-room door. You are asked to do what you’re told, when you’re told.

    Ho-Sang is more than round peg in square hole. There is almost nothing about him that fits that lifelong stereotype of his game.”

    I’m telling you, PK Subban comparisons aside, this kid is going to be an absolute STEAL playing alongside John Tavares. He’s going to be hated, but his goals will silence the critics.

    • Brock

      Agree completely.

    • Sensnation

      I think you’re bang on! When I saw his interview at the draft I did not feel he was the villain the media made him out to be, but instead just a really driven and confident young man. I love the passion!

      • KJ

        It is nice to see personality jump off the scripted page for once isn’t it.

  • sprucesens

    Gagner traded to Tampa. Probably take them off the list

  • Max2166

    I think Jason Spezza is traded on Tuesday to the Blues or Stars. I guess Tampa has no more interest after tonight’s trade.

    • Sandy

      Hoping for the Stars.

      • zippy

        Hockeys future ranks Nichuskin an 8.5. Nice!!!

        Given Benn and Seguin are not tradeable for sure.

      • Max2166

        Nichuskin and Chiasson would be a good deal.

        • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

          Not happening…At this point I think we’d be lucky to get either one for one… Nichuskin I honestly think we’d have to toss the boro or something to sweeten the pot.

          • Sensnation

            Sending them a d in a deal could be mutually beneficial. That is by far their greatest weakness after a 2nd line C.

          • runningbear1974

            Can we package Phillips and Cowen? Some team must want that no?

          • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

            I’ve got a feeling Boro isn’t enough, Gryba likely has the most “value” of our tradeable D(mostly because of his huge check in the playoffs)

            Personally I think he is a great bottom pairing guy, who if isolated, which he isn’t really there, may be able to squeeze some #4 minutes in as well.

          • Sensnation

            They could use someone like Wiercioch and/or Gryba. I agree Boro probably doesn’t have much trade value.

          • jimmyjohnson

            Yeah…It’s not like they have scouts that actually watch games…they just watch highlight packages.

            Sure, throw in Gryba. I’m sure that’ll do it!! He had a big hit once!!

        • runningbear1974

          Pretty sure Nichuskin is untouchable.. I think they got Gonchar to come play with him because both are from the same town… 14 goals 20 assists, plus 20… 6.4, 205, 19yrs old…I would not trade him if i were them…

    • jtf927

      i hope so. i feel like with spezza’s status in limbo, it is making it hard for the sens to make the necessary moves to address the other needs of the team. hopefully by either tomorrow or early into free agency, this is resolved.

  • AutoTurris

    Sooooo understandably the date to watch has been moved to Tuesday, or even later. I felt this was going to be the case earlier last week, but now I’m starting to feel Spezza will start the season with a Sens jersey on. Everyone will say this is ludicrous and won’t happen, but everyone was fairly certain he’d get moved before the Draft. So is it just me, or are people starting to think this fell through once the Kesler boot fell?

    • Max2166

      I think it will be Tuesday because the team who does not sign Paul Statsny may be interested in acquiring Jason Spezza.

  • jtf927

    gagner was a good pickup by the bolts.

    • FBP

      Wonder who will play 2 line C for the Oilers now?

      • KJ

        Mckenzie suggesting Gagner may not be TB long…

        • Sensnation

          Article says flipped to Arizona?

          http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=456044

          • Sandy

            But I wanted Spezza to go to Arizona.

          • Sensnation

            But maybe Tampa’s back in?

          • KJ

            Will be interesting. Gagner < Spezza.

  • Sensnation

    Does Spezza get to submit a new no trade list on July 1st?

    From Capgeek – “NMC (beginning July 1, 2010, through remainder of contract); Modified NTC (player can submit 10-team no-trade list each season from 2011-12 through 2014-15).”

    Wouldn’t it be something if he changed his list.

    • Magnus Nor

      Bad for us..

      • FistsofNeil25

        How is it bad for us? If he alters his trade list to exclude different teams, that just opens up different possibilities for Murray. If he wants to put Dallas or Phoenix on his new list, he’ll have to remove a different team from it. I don’t think Spezza is going to try to screw us.

    • Sandy

      Yes, he provides a new list on July 1st.

  • runningbear1974

    Remember how we felt when Nash didn’t want to play for us… Or how we felt when Heatley wouldn’t go to Edmonton…
    Hartnell waived his no trade clause to play for Columbus… I have tons of respect for Hartnell, and i’m becoming a Columbus fan…

    • aegiszx

      But was Nash wrong in his judgement? Did we make the conference finals? No we didn’t, but the Rangers sure did. Heatley, wasn’t exactly wrong either… where are the Oilers now? Still at the bottom.

      • runningbear1974

        I’m not saying they’re wrong… Do whatever you want, your choice, your reasons… I’m saying i have tons of respect for Hartnell for waiving no trade clause…
        Maybe Nash or Heatley could have made a difference for Sens or Oilers, maybe…

        • aegiszx

          It will always be a question of maybe and ifs and wishes… but what Hartnell did was great, him and his agent must’ve really also analyzed the Jackets… Yes they are a rebuilding team, but they’re way further along in their rebuild than the Preds are, that new management group in Columbus has done a fantastic job to turn the franchise around so quickly… They started a year after we did, and we should in theory be ahead of them… They actually made the playoffs and pushed the Pens.

          • runningbear1974

            I’m curious… When was the last time someone refused trade, then went somewhere else to win the cup? I can’t think of any examples… I don’t think NYR going to finals was really Nash’s doing…

    • CUP 2014-15

      That is one hard team to play against. Big, Fast. Love watching them play. Not surprised to see CBJ in the post season. Thought they were going to beat Pitt in the 1st round.

  • SensFanInMTL

    Man Even Purcell & Gagner are being moved. I am starting to dislike all parties involved. I have never given up faith in Murray nor will I ever. Or at least for the time being. But this is just agonizing to keep waiting.

    Maybe something will give on our great nation’s birthday and everything will come to a close.

    • KJ

      Things should be a little clearer for sure. I would be shocked if Ottawa is status quo after July 1.

  • Jakester

    Tampa has just traded Gagner to Arizona. Another team out of the Spezza saga.

    • Sandy

      Bob McKenzie @TSNBobMcKenzie · 1m

      PHX gave up a draft pick to TB for Sam Gagner and B.J. Crombeen. TB clearing salary cap room.

      For Spezza or Stastny?

      • Sensnation

        If he stays in the division we could really regret this. Bishop/Spezza winning a cup in front of our eyes.

      • Jakester

        Been saying it all year, Murray go get Brett Connolly plus! Let’s hope it’s Tampa.

      • KJ

        A 6th round pick to boot. Tampa retains 1/3 of Gagner’s salary. For never having played for TB on the ice, I bet this becomes great trivia question. Who was the only player TB paid, but never actually played for them?

  • Sensnation

    “Gagner was then subsequently dealt by the Lightning along with forward B. J. Crombeen to the Arizona Coyotes for a sixth-round draft pick in 2015.”

    What?

  • Sandy

    Bob McKenzie @TSNBobMcKenzie · 12s

    TB gets 6th round pick in 2015 from AZ for Gagner and Crombeen.

    What the hell is that all about? A 6th round pick? Something is up in Tampa.
    I hope to god it’s not Spezza. We gave them a Vezina candidate and now possibly our top centre?
    Unless Spezza + Anderson (who is being sent to mentor the young goaltender Gudlevskis. Bishop comes back to Ottawa to play with Lehner and something + something + something.
    My guess is they got Stastny.
    I can’t see Murray trading Spezza to the East until all of his options to the West are done.

    • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

      Bishop is not coming back… Murray effed that one up LARGE

      • Sandy

        At some point Tampa will have Bishop, Gudlevskis & Vasilevski.
        One of the 3 are going.

    • Jakester

      Keep him in the East Murray! Will be one soft team team to play 4-5 times a year!

  • Sandy

    What can we get from Chicago or the Rangers for a 6th round pick?

  • Sandy

    Bob McKenzie @TSNBobMcKenzie · 16s

    TB cleared a shade more than $5.6M in salary cap space tonight by trading Purcell and Crombeen and flipping Gagner. Lots of cap room now.

    • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

      Don’t know if that’s enough space for statsny.. But Spezza fits!

      • SensChirp

        Looking for defence, apparently. Maybe Ehrhoff?

        • Frankie Fives

          Bingo! Yzerman stated he was looking to upgrade on D

        • Jakester

          Spezza and Cowen plus 2015 first for Drouin and Connolly! Lol

  • AutoTurris

    Drive up that price SY

  • Andrews theory

    So Gagner was traded in the end for a 6th rounder to Pheonix ?

    Shrewd move Stevie Y

  • Richard Gough

    Dose it really madder now if Spezza is traded to a eastern team ?

    I just want this BS to be over

    • Sandy

      I don’t want him going to Tampa.
      We already sent them a Vezina candidate for what turned out to be a 4th round pick.

      • Richard Gough

        So you would keep him and have him be a cancer to the team when a eastern team can put a end to this whole bull shit.

        • Sandy

          No, he only goes to the East if no other team in the West gives up a decent return.
          If I was Murray I would wait until after July 1st to see what teams missed out.
          If he is going to the East it had better be a huge overpayment.

  • Frankie Fives

    What’s even more puzzling is that we could have had Gagner for a 6th round pick (and TB woulda paid 1/3 of his salary) Why wasn’t Murray interested in that???

    • not YOUR wingman

      Not puzzling at all – FEEBLE LOGIC by you.
      Stevie Y had planned to ship Sam back out West from the start.
      Why would he want to strengthen a rival Eastern team ?

  • SensFanInMTL

    Curious. Why and how does Spezza have to redo his list?

    And Gagner what the phuck?

    • The Apostle

      Because it’s in his contract. How, he provides a list with 10 teams on it by or on July 1st to the general manager of the ottawa senators

  • Sandy

    Eklund saying Purcell could be on the move to Toronto?
    Could that be for Reimer? Maybe Komorov and Raymond aren’t going back to the Leafs?

    • FistsofNeil25

      Eklund Sandy… Eklund.

      Also, the Oilers have Fasth and Scrivens. They don’t need Reimer.

      • Sandy

        The Reimer trade is my thoughts. But forgot about Fasth.

  • Andrews theory

    I wonder if macT was pissed when Stevie flipped Gagner back to the west lol

  • Sandy

    The 6th Sens @6thSens · 36m

    Sam Gagner once had eight points in one game. Tonight, he may get dealt eight times.

    LOL

  • Sandy

    Oh Yost….

    Travis Yost @TravisHeHateMe · 20m

    Lightning want an elite defenseman. Now is the time to make that big offer for Cowen I think.

    • Kumar

      May be Spezza & Cowen for Palat, Keith Aulie and 2nd and 6th in 2015

      • Sandy

        Make them pay through the nose and give up Drouin. LOL

      • not YOUR wingman

        TB would lose that trade and Stevie Y does NOT lose trades.

    • Jakester

      Cowen straight up for Connolly

  • FistsofNeil25

    So Gagner could have been had for a 6th round pick eh? I guess his salary doesn’t fit in with how we have to structure our team lol

    • ProfessorPower

      I’m glad we won’t be getting Gagner

      • FistsofNeil25

        I’m not really a fan either. I’m just curious to see what Murray has in mind. He said he needs to add four forwards and Gagner could have been had for cheap. Gagner is still better than most UFA’s out there which is the sad part. So is Purcell for that matter.

        • ProfessorPower

          I have no damn clue what Murrays plan is LOL I am just hoping he has one in the first place.

    • not YOUR wingman

      Stevie Y was only going to trade SG back out WEST – he has his reasons

  • Brutus5247

    My guess is that if Spezza comes back he’ll play is ass off to increase his value next year. Im sure he is embarassed with the offers. 200FT game is the secret.

  • FistsofNeil25

    I’m not sure if anyone had mentioned this yet but now that Phoenix has filled the hole at center with Gagner, I guess it’s fair to say they’ve lost interest in Spezza. We can probably cross them off the list now as well. Maloney isn’t really known for making any bold moves.

    • sprucesens

      best of all, it was a 6th round pick straight up for gagner, with salary retained. Have to think we could have offered that. Oh well.

  • KJ

    Tampa is up to something. Another trade for picks only

    • FistsofNeil25

      Clearing space to chase down a couple UFA’s on Tuesday. They’ve probably spoken to a couple UFA’s in the last few days who are probably interested in joining their team. I could see one of Ehrhoff or Niskanen as well as a decent free agent forward. There’s going to be a lot of excitement throughout the league in the next couple days. Will ottawa be a part of it all? Probably not.

      • KJ

        I understand the pessimism going round, and I agree that we might not be part of it, but we will have to take part in FA now. The irony is we are going to have to overpay for a contract and Ottawa is trying so hard to give discounts with their own players. Unless Ottawa has assessed Michalek’s prior injury status as a risk and set their number on what he is worth at 3.5, it will likely be surpassed by other bidders unfortunately.

  • Phoenix

    Shame Murray couldn’t keep Spezza, michalek, and hemskey. Then go sign Ehrhoff. We might just be playoff bound.

    • Wyzerd

      Yep, I think we’d make the playoffs easily…

  • Zachpraisetheswedes

    My guess on what will happen with Spezza…

    Berglund, Paajarvi and 2015 1st for Spezza

    St Louis will miss out on Stastny and will be forced to trade for Spezza on July 1st or 2nd. I believe it will be that return because Murray wants players who can play for him right now. He says he needs 4 forwards…one of which will be Michalek. He also mentioned he needs a centre because he’ll be down one after Spezza is gone.

    First of all both Berglund and Paajarvi are Swedish which is nice and will keep our superstar happy. Plus they are both big skilled guys who can get around the rink very well. Neither will be a huge difference makers but both can play either on the 2nd but 3rd in a perfect world.

    I also think the 1st will be in there because Murray will stick to his guns and yes 2015 draft is supposed to be better but like he always mentions, picks are extremely hard to come by when you’re so close to the draft because scouts and GM’s are set on certain players. Nobody is thinking about the players they’ll get next year except for the shitty teams who expect to be in the lottery.

    The other thing is that it’s pretty much equal cash coming back to us which is pretty key for our lame budget.

    All in all I think it wouldn’t be too bad of a trade. I personally would rather flip Spezza for 1 good player such as E. Kane, but that will probably never happen unfortunately. But if we do this trade we could end up with a solid lineup.

    MacArthur-Turris-Ryan
    Michalek-Zibanejad-Stone
    Hoffman-Berglund-Paajarvi
    Greening-Smith-Neil
    Condra

    • Spoons

      With that lineup, we’re getting the 2015 1st, 30th and 31st picks! Helloooo Connor McDavid! ;)

    • Jakester

      Forget a first rounder, lucky to get two pieces.

    • Kumar

      St. Louis doesn’t have 2015 1st round.

  • sprucesens

    at this point i feel we are not going to get anything for spezza. And then if it doesn’t happen on july 1st, we’ll miss out on the signings. And then have to overpay the B crop just to reach the floor. Then we’ll fail in any attempt to trade our extra D anywhere. Spezza should go for 2 top pieces. But at this point, i’d just take a top 1 for 1 deal and just be done with it. Imagine if we offered 8 mill to stastny and got him. Then traded spezza away from a position of actual strength. dream on johnny…

  • Dirk-Diggler

    How handcuffed will we be tomorrow? I fear this team will be basically the same team that was iced last year and it will be another stagnant year. I love Spezza but I wish he had accepted the deal to Nashville. It was his contractual right though that was used.

    When we deal him I hope we get some prospects and maybe a pick. I don’t want an older player with 2-3 years left on their deal at an inflated cap hit (Berglund).

    Also, why didn’t we trade for Ehrhoff? He would have been the perfect fit for Karlsson. We could have traded Greening or Boro or Gryba back to Buffalo and that would have been better off for them than buying out Ehrhoff!

  • Dirtysweetness

    I wonder if the reason Spezza nixed the Nashville trade was due to what they were willing to offer in terms of an contract extension?

  • Sen John’s

    I say the Sens should sign Heatley, Havlat, and Salo. Go old school.

    • Wyzerd

      Send Spezza to Chicago for Hosa….

      • Sen John’s

        I like it. Sign Meszaros too.

        • Wyzerd

          and Chicago would have to through in Regin and Rundblad

  • FistsofNeil25

    Bryan must be shaking in his boots right about now. I know everyone wants him to stick to his guns here with the asking price for Spezza, but if he doesn’t play his cards right in the next couple days there won’t be many teams left that need Spezza. Anaheim, Nashville and probably Phoenix are all likely out of the running now, and if St Louis ends up with Stastny then the field narrows down quite a bit.

    At this point I don’t think we’re going to get a very good return for Spezz, but if something doesn’t get done in the next few days other teams will start to look at alternative fixes. I don’t see any scenario where Ottawa makes out well here.

    • Wyzerd

      Odds are some other team with more cap flexibility will overpay and beat-out Chicago/St.louis for Stastny. Plus once Stastny is gone there will likely be more teams eying Spezza. Personally I believe Spezza is a good fit for Chicago. Just one year left on his contract coincides perfectly with resigning Toews and Kane for the following year.

  • thepez

    I know that this is probably not the ideal scenario, however what about having Spezza play out the year in Ottawa? He will be motivated to play well since it is a contract year. If he leaves after the season, then the Sens sign a couple of free agents to replace him. It would be the same as a trade.

    • FistsofNeil25

      No. No it wouldn’t be the same. That’s just horrible asset management.

      I know a lot of people think it would be fine to bring Spezza back but that would be the worst possible scenario. Everyone just needs a fresh start. Everyone just wants to move on.

      • thepez

        So if the Sens get pretty much nothing back for Spezza, as even BM has admitted, you would prefer that over a motivated player for one year, who you may still sign to an extension.
        If I remember correctly the Martin Havlat situation was about the same. The Sens got Josh Hennessy, Tom Preissing and Michael Barinka. Preissing was ok for one year but I have always wondered how the Sens would have done in the 2007 SCF if they had kept Martin Havlat.

        • Sandy

          That was stupid John Muckler.

  • AutoTurris

    So Briere to COL eh… Not a big surprise, get the feeling MTL wasn’t too high on him. Maybe if Stastny signs elsewhere and COL enters the sweepstakes he can be packaged in