Is Jason Spezza a “Rental”?

SensChirp May 20, 2014 761
Is Jason Spezza a “Rental”?

Just a quick update here but something that could have an impact on the ongoing/upcoming Jason Spezza sweepstakes.

We know a number of teams have interest in the Senators’ Captain but the question about whether or not teams see him as a long term option is an interesting one.  You could argue that if another team is willing to give up assets for him and make the cap space, they see him as a long term option. But at the same time, you’d have to think the issues that have caused Ottawa fans to balk at the idea of a long term extension for Spezza would be of concern to other teams interested in trading for him this off season.

And then this interesting bit of news- that maybe Spezza isn’t automatically willing to commit long term to a new team just yet. That he would rather go somewhere, try it out, and then make a decision about committing beyond next season.

It just makes sense really and I suspect could dramatically impact the potential return for Spezza this off season.  Spezza has played his entire career for one team and may want to have a better feel for his new home before making a decision on signing an extension.  In a recent radio interview, Elliott Friedman suggested that the Senators may allow Spezza to talk to teams prior to a deal.

If they are dealing a long term top line centre, the Senators can command a premium but if teams just see him as a one year rental? The price is likely to decline significantly.

-Lots of interesting bits of information in a radio interview with Pierre Dorion today including details of the ongoing negotiations with key restricted free agents in Stephane Da Costa and Robin Lehner.  As mentioned late last week, Da Costa has an offer on the table from a team in the KHL but has also talked to the Senators about a new deal. Dorion also mentioned that the team has had discussions with UFA’s in Michalek and Hemsky but that they have to be willing to accept where they fit in with the team’s budget realities. You can listen to the full interview here.

  • A-Train

    Hmmm. Is there precedent for a trade like that? A star player traded with one year left on contract and doesn’t sign an immediate extension (or sign/trade)? There must be but I can’t automatically conjure one up.

    • SensChirp

      I was wondering the same thing. Couldn’t think of one either.

      • boom

        Didn’t it happem with Vanek, when he was traded from Buffalo to the Islanders?

        • A-Train

          Similar. He was dealt about a month into the regular season as I recall. Hard to list any Islanders trade as a precedent though!

          • lbernier

            I think Sharks have the pieces Ottawa is looking for so I would not be surprised if it is them because they said they are looking for change and that means Pavelski, Thornton, Marleau, Vlasic, and Niemi all could be trade bait this off season. Some of NTC but they can be asked to waive them still. I think you have to look at this as a very good possibility if Sens might trade Spezza to the Sharks for some of their pieces and some of their prospects up and coming. To me it fits but others might see it differently.

      • Skeleton

        Marty St. Louis and Brent Burns.

    • Skeleton

      Lots of examples: Marty St. Louis this season and Brent Burns comes to mind as well.

  • The Apostle

    Is there a way that Da Costa can be loaned to the KHL?

    • Kohlmanator

      Same as Filitov would be my guess. He can go to the KHL, but if he ever wanted to come back to the NHL, Ottawa would own his rights.

      • The Apostle

        Makes sense. Maybe a year in the KHL might do him some good. I’m not a huge fan of da Costa but I think he deserves a longer look with the big club than he’s got so far.

        In other news I guess the site really doesn’t like my comment about Michalek and Hemsky and the UFA budget. It keeps disappearing.

    • Jakester

      Come on, we sign him and play him – Zack Smith isn’t the answer as 3c – he’s a 4C at best and I think Grant can do a better job than him. Smith 4th line winger might be his only option.

      • The Apostle

        I think we should sign him as a 3C if there is the space after the Spezza trade. As for 4C I think Smith is fine there, I’ve never thought Smith is anything other than a very solid 4th line player. I’ll disagree with you on Grant, he didn’t show enough in his 20 games last year to be anything more than a call-up for the upcoming season.

        I don’t think the th8ing stopping Grant is Smith, I think it’s one way contracts for Greening, Condra and Neil. If we could swing a deal which took Greening out of Ottawa, I would be a very happy man.

        • Jakester

          Those 3 should all be off the roster next year.

          • The Apostle

            You can wish for it all you want but it isn’t going to happen. The best I think we can hope for is that Greening is in Buffalo.

  • spezzerman

    If all you’re getting is a deadline rental return equivalent, dont trade him.

    • FistsofNeil25

      They’re pretty much at the point of no return now. Both the team and player have expressed their interest in parting ways. How do you bring Spezza back onto the team after this has all gone public? Does he remain captain if they bring him back after asking to be dealt? Knowing that he no longer wishes to be here? What kind of message does that send to his teammates?

      Spezza is as good as gone. He’ll be dealt to the highest bidder between now and training camp.

      • spezzerman

        who cares. Letting him go for nothing is stupid. He and the team can deal with it. They get his production, he gets to showcase himself. Players dont care, they would still want him here.

        • FistsofNeil25

          but then we would literally lose him for nothing when he walks away as a free agent?

          • spezzerman

            we would get his 80ish points next year. More than a shitty prospect and a middling draft pick will likely ever contribute. So, fine with me.

          • Doc

            What if he gets injured? Then what?

            If they are both on the same page, they you do it now in the off-season. You don’t wait and risk losing him for peanuts.

            And being a one-year rental vs a deadline rental is not the same thing.

          • spezzerman

            lets hope so.

        • Sandy

          How much of this Spezza trade talk is coming from the media — and because of that.. the fans?

          Other than some comments at the year end interviews that are being ‘taken as he is being traded’ — there is no concrete evidence that it will happen.

          Everyone says it will happen.. but what real proof is there to know for sure?

          A bad return is not worth getting rid of him…

          • Doc

            I’m sorry, we can’t be delusional to what was said. Nevermind the fact that all legit analysts (Friedman, McKenzie, Dregger, Kypreos) are ALL saying the same thing: He’s as good as gone. I get the sense that some still don’t want to believe it, but come on now. I have no doubts that it’s happening.

            And what’s with the sudden emphasis on a bad return? There’s clearly a lot of interest from other teams. Chirp was merely pointing out that Spezza might want to test the waters first.

            I for one don’t expect a huge return like some posters here, but that doesn’t mean we won’t be happy with what we get.

          • Sandy

            Well then someone in the organization is leaking that information out from a private conversation.

            OR are they basing their analysis on what was said in the exit interviews at the end of the season..

          • Millennium

            That’s exactly how insiders get their info. Obviously it was leaked by one side or the other; it happens all the time.

    • Skeleton

      People need to understand that the option to not trade him isn’t one that is going to happen.

      He is gone whether you like the return or not.

      Spezza will not be on the Sens next season even if the return is a sole 1st round selection (which it won’t be).

  • WaitingSince92

    Really, really hope that DaCosta is in a(n Ottawa) Sens jersey all of next year. He’s got hands that are too good for the AHL. He looked good when called up and has worked really hard in the off-season. Besides, with Spezza gone, another playmaking centre can’t hurt.

    • Jakester

      You KNOW what you’re talking about! 3rd line center and a damn GOOD one!

  • Chadillac

    IMO Da Costa is a great depth player, but not someone who will be able to take this team far. He’s far too soft. He reminds me of Regin. If his value is decent, I would package him to get something that has a higher ceiling.

    • Zelle

      We’re not looking at him to carry the team though. Sens have a really weak bottom six. DaCosta could be a fantastic bottom six guy for a decent price, maybe even pushing for top six if he plays good on the wing.

      • Chadillac

        I think we have an abundance of guys coming up that would solidify the bottom 6. I don’t see Da Costa’s game in that type of role.

        • Zelle

          He and Smith are really the most proven centers as of yet though. Although it’s a bit of a toss up between Pageau and DaCosta, but Pageau can always play on the wings too. For their size they hit harder than Greening does lol.

  • FistsofNeil25

    Speaking of Da Costa, France and Czech Republic are tied at 4 halfway through the third period. Da Costa without a point so far.

    • Sandy

      Kind of disappointed that TSN is not covering more of the World Championships than just games by Canada and the US. It’s on during the morning or afternoon.. it’s not like it’s interfering with prime time programming.

  • Mat

    I’m cool with the idea of accommodating Spezza in any way that we can but the result still has to be the highest possible return for the Sens.

    That means that if a team is offering what would be a return for a long term acquisition, versus another team which is putting together a package for a rental player, than Murray has an obligation to chose option 1, even if Spezza’s preference would be option 2.

    I do think that Spezza talking to other teams would help increase the ratio of teams who are thinking longer term (to me, Nashville, Edmonton or Florida would fit that bill).

    • peetypuck

      I think they would get mainly picks and prospects from those three teams. Melnyk would like that if it keeps the team salary at the cap floor.

      • s3nsfan75

        At some point though he has to realize that having a team that makes the playoffs consistently makes him more money than a team that is at the cap floor and doesn’t make the playoffs, doesn’t he?

        • peetypuck

          Not necessarily. I believe half the sales from playoff games now goes to the NHL. It’s not as lucrative as it was a few years ago. The difference from cap floor to cap ceiling is about $18 or $20 million now up from the $16 million from the last contract. That’s a lot of playoff games to make up that much money.
          I heard a rumour that is why Shero got fired in Pittsburgh. The Pens haven’t been playing enough playoff games to cover the team salary the last couple of years.

    • Jakester

      Do the Sens run a Country Club or a hockey team? F the accommodation get the best deal period.

      • KJ

        Murray takes care of his players, if they have been loyal soldiers. See Fisher and Kelly.

  • Guest

    I’m cool with the idea of accommodating Spezza in any way that we can but the result still has to be the highest possible return for the Sens. That means that if a team is offering what would be a return for a long term acquisition, versus another team which is putting together a package for a rental player, than

  • FistsofNeil25

    Serious question – why the hell did we ever trade for Hemsky? Seriously though. If they were never able to offer him a competitive contract then why the hell did we give up assets for just a few weeks of his services? Did we think he was going to fall in love with the city and the team in his short time here and sign a “home-town discount” to stick around?

    I don’t understand this organization sometimes. Maybe they thought they could sign him to a bargain contract but his success down the stretch with Spezza increased his market value outside of Ottawa’s comfort zone.

    In hind-sight, kind of a mind boggling decision to make that trade.

    • The Apostle

      I sort of agree. I didn’t feel we were one piece away from being a playoff team at the deadline last year but I guess you have to roll the dice? Maybe they felt that chemistry with Spezza might convince both of them to stay? I don’timagine Spezza being unhappy is something that happened over night.

      • peetypuck

        If it’s true that St Louis put in an offer at the trade deadline then Murray must have been already listening to offers.

    • Mat

      Hemsky was brought in to help us make the playoffs. That’s it.
      He was surprisingly good despite the fact that we did not make the playoffs and now we are trying to retain his services by offering him a less than market value contract paid out in a mix of Canadian Tire Money and Czech Korunas…

      • Senatollah

        What a great idea for RSU. Maybe their horde of volunteers can go door to door collecting CT money and raise enough to help poor old uncle Euge to cover Hemsky’s contract. Common RSU you can do it!!!

    • Doc

      That’s actually common practice. We gave up nothing for him and got a few weeks of ‘try-out’.

      It’s a win-win if you really think about it. If he likes it and re-signs, we got a top 6 forward, if he walks we paid nothing for me.

      • FistsofNeil25

        It’s not a win-win if they don’t make the playoffs or don’t re-sign him. I’m just curious why they would trade from him knowing that we don’t have the resources (budget) to keep him here beyond this season.

        It’s not like the playoffs were a realistic goal by the time the deadline rolled around. We needed a top six center to play with Spezza since the moment the season started, but again because of the budget, we had to wait until the trade deadline and make Edmonton retain half his salary just to make the deal work.

        Almost every personnel decision this organization has made in the last year has wreaked of desperation.

        • Hax

          Just to clarify, we’re all sort of assuming we don’t have the resources to resign him. If Murray thought Hemsky was so vital to our success going forward he can find the money in the budget – just means he’d have to skimp elsewhere.

          But yeah if Murray “knew” there was 0 chance of extending him then it’s a silly trade. But still we didn’t pay a lot for him and I sure got my money’s worth as a fan watching him play for a bit.

        • Doc

          Why do you say we don’t have the resources? I don’t think he’ll command a lot more than his current salary, and with Michalek probably leaving, the Sens are under the cap floor for next year.

          We literally paid nothing for his services. Crap picks, and they kept a portion of his salary. It was peanuts, and their goal of finding someone who can play with Spezza was realised. Spezza wanting out now shouldn’t be part of the discussion as to why we went and got Hemsky.

          Seriously, I don’t see the issue here.

          • FistsofNeil25

            First of all, there isn’t actually that much of an issue lol I don’t really care all that much, I’m mostly stirring up conversation.

            My comment about not having the resources was more of a reaction to Dorion’s comments today from his TSN1200 interview. He said the team has reached out to both Michalek and Hemsky’s agents to show their desire to bring back both players. He said that although they want both to return, each player needs to understand where they fit into the team’s salary structure. So in other worst, they want to re-sign both players, but because of the internal budget they don’t have the money to offer them competitive offers for what they bring to the team.

          • Doc

            That might be posturing though, if you ask me.

            My guess is that they really want Hemsky back, especially after seeing what he can do with Zibby. For sure he will get a better offer on the FA market, so the chances of us retaining him are small.

            Less than 40 days to find out!!

          • spezzerman

            neither is worth trying to out-bid the open UFA market though.

          • KJ

            No. It means you can come play for us at a fair value of what “we” think your worth. If they agree, they stay. if not, see ya later.

          • Hax

            The only element that we don’t know for sure is that IF Spezza told Murray flat-out that he wanted out before they acquired Hemsky then one reason for getting Hemsky (chemistry with Spezz) goes away.

        • KJ

          So disagree with you bud.
          what makes you believe we don’t have the resources? Just because Melnyk wants to run on a budget and not spend to the cap doesn’t mean we don’t have the resources to sign the “right” talent. forget the speculation on the other site. that’s what it is: speculation.
          People forget that Melnyk spent to the cap in his first few years as owner, and it didn’t pay off. Now, he is cautious with his cash. Nothing wrong with that, really. He is paying his staff, Brian and company to do their jobs. analyze talent, secure the talent, and at reasonable contracts. Any good business you will be asked the same thing: make it work within budget. The best and brightest do all the time in ANY industry. If I was an owner, that would be paramount to good business. In all the years I have been watching the Sens, and the Baby Sens, since BM started drafting, this is the best group of prospects to come up through the system I have EVER seen.
          let’s see how they perform and if they perform to expectations, then we can talk about inability to keep them, etc. if Melnyk won’t fork over the cash to keep home grown talent.

          • TookieIs100PercentRight

            Best group of prospects? Weird, cos I remember seeing a team with Hossa, Havlat, Redden, Chara on the roster and that team was a perennial top contender. To each their own I guess.
            TOOLS100% OUT!!!!!!!

    • Hax

      I look at it as a cumulative thing:

      Small chance of making the playoffs with Hemsky added, smaller chance he helps us do something if we get there (though considering who’s in the final maybe a big chance of that).
      Small chance he clicks well enough that we offer him a deal he’ll want.
      Relatively small price paid for him.

      Not sure how much we “expected” Spezza to leave at the time. Maybe Murray also thought that bringing in a winger for Spezza with the potential of extending said winger might motivate Spezza to stay/resign? Would Murray even want to keep Spezza?

      I think it’s a bit unfair to say we never should have traded for him – though clearly it didn’t work out as we had hoped. I still say the price was reasonably low so that it’s not a big deal.

      • Doc

        The price was nothing if you look at potential of NHL games played by those picks. It was chump change.

        • sprucesens

          and also, it helped drive up the price for spezza, as he found his game with hemsky.

          • Jakester

            Smart answer.

      • SensChirp

        I would say this is all accurate except that at that point, they knew Spezza was open to a potential deal. But ya, I think it was at least partly an attempt by Murray to try to convince Spezza to stick around and get a close to free look at a UFA target.

        • Hax

          Yeah that’s the part I’m most curious about. Did Murray think Spezza would change his mind if Murray finally found him a winger? Did Spezza tell the team he was “open” to a trade because he was just barely considering moving on and felt he should be honest about that? Or was Spezza pretty much decided way back then that he was 100% leaving as soon as he could.

          Likely somewhere in between of course, but whichever end it’s closer to might indicate part of the reason for getting Hemmer.

    • Jakester

      We gave up diddly squat to get him. Why did st Louis trade for Miller.

    • KJ

      They are actually negotiating with Hemsky to stay. see Chirp’s post re: Dorion interview.

      Are you calling out Brian Murray? A man with over 30 years of hockey exec experience?

    • sbs138

      because we were still trying to make the playoffs at that point. we probably should’ve traded for him sooner.

  • Hax

    So I guess that means the deal will include some conditional picks – i.e. based on if he resigns or not.

    Hopefully there are some teams that are actually more interested in Spezza with only one year committed. Enough to drive the price up that is. They’re not going to give up as much as if they desperately want him for 8 years but I think it’s a bit unrealistic to think there are a bunch of teams that are willing to take that big chance if they don’t have to.

    I think the West develops into an arms race with so many teams feeling that they’re one player away from a cup. And also that those teams don’t end up fighting over Malkin and forgetting about Spezza.

    • Doc

      That’s my guess as well. The centrepieces won’t necessarily change that much if he only wants to test the waters with his new team.

    • FistsofNeil25

      Do you think Malkin becomes available? It’s been rumored that he would return to Russia if Pittsburgh attempted to trade him and he has a full NMC so the power is in his hands.

      Acquiring Malkin would be the type of deal that would require a team to dismantle half it’s roster to make. I think the team’s that are interested in Spezza are teams looking to add that “missing piece”, rather than giving up half their team to snag Geno.

      I think the competition for Spezza in the trade market is most likely to be Eric Staal and Ryan Kesler. Both their names have been thrown around in the last few months as well.

      • Hax

        Yeah I threw that in mostly joking as I doubt Pitt would have the balls to try and trade Malkin. But yeah any other similar players on the market amount to the same thing. Not sure Kesler or Staal fit the mold of “desperate for offense” that Spezza appeals to though.

    • Mat

      The availability of Malkin will no doubt reduce the return for Spezza… I’m not convinced a) Pittsburgh is willing to part with him and b) he would accept a trade given his NMC

  • Hax

    I wonder if this is all true (Spezza wants a trial period) if he’d agree to play in Ottawa until the deadline. Sounds scary I know (for lots of good reasons) but it could allow Murray to drive up the price tag a bit more while allowing a bit longer for us to figure out if Turris/Zibanejad are ready for unprotected top 6 roles or if we need to insulate them a bit more.

    • Doc

      Nope. Nadda. Niet.

      Wouldn’t touch that scenario unless it was named Jessica Alba.

      Too many risks compared to the potential of being rewarded for ‘what ifs’. Plus, stats have proven that both Turris and Zibby are ready for bigger responsibilities.

      I say it’s time to move on, and the best time to do that is this summer.

      • Sandy

        I have no problem with Turris taking over as #1 centre.
        Is Zibby ready for the #2 centre position? I don’t want him put in a position to fail.
        They need to get at least 1 more experienced top 6 forward to play with him on the 2nd line.
        That’s why I have no problem with Michalek being signed. Not too many will agree.
        With, hopefully, no setbacks Michalek can have an off-season of training and not rehabbing.
        He knows he had a bad year so they may be able to get him signed for around 3.5M for next season.. BUT I wouldn’t sign him for longer than 2 yrs.
        Ryan-Turris-MacArthur
        Michalek-Zibby-Stone/Hoffman
        Lazar-DaCosta-Stone/Hoffman
        Neil-Smith-Greening/Condra
        That’s quite a few young and inexperienced players in the forward group.. but it fits the budget.
        Defense is another question mark. Do they go with what they had last season and cross their fingers it turns out better… OR do they bring in an experienced D to play on the 2nd pairing to help Cowen develop..

        • A-Train

          Sitting as I am at a great distance from the team and players…I’ll still venture this bit of analysis on Zibanejad: He needs a vote of confidence to succeed. That where some people find their motivation — not in being told ‘you need to battle for it’ etc. There’s a type of personality that needs to be told: You’re the guy. I feel like that’s Zibanejad. Give him the number 2 C role…and see what he can do with it. At 21, chances are he’ll have a learning curve. But what you want to see is progression in the right direction this season.

    • spezzerman

      problem is, regardless of what Spezza does for his value, at the deadline you arent going to get any actual players. We need players, not draft picks and more prospects.

      • Hax

        Fair point – I guess it depends somewhat on whether Murray plans to replace Spezza through UFAs and is content to get picks back. Or he could flip picks for players later I suppose.

    • Andrews theory

      if Spezza goes down to injury which is more likely than not you are left with no assets…
      Trade him now, his value is as high as it is ever going be.

      • Hax

        That would be one of the “good reasons” I mentioned. Just thinking it might be a risk worth taking depending on how low the offers are this summer.

    • sprucesens

      the only way we keep spezza is if nobody offers anything of any value. Then we just keep him, and try to get something at the deadline, when teams are more desperate. If not we lose him for basically nothing more than we would have gained. But I doubt this is the case, because there have already been many interested teams, that will be willing to give us at least 1 or 2 pieces that would be good enough to get the yes from murray

    • Jakester

      No you trade him now, he’ll he could get hurt in game 3 of the season. That would be a jackass idea.

      • Hax

        A big risk yes and you only even consider taking that risk if the offers this summer are brutal. “Jackass” is a bit much though.

  • Bob19

    Am I the only person who thinks there’s a legitimate chance the flames make a push for him I don’t see why everyone thinks he’s going to be a blue or wants to go to a contender I think wherever he goes it’s to a team that wants him for the long run and no better place than Calgary. Flames need a number 1 c he would be a good leader on a team full of young guys. They have more than enough prospects to trade us including there 5th overall this year. They have gudreau, Sven, klimchuck. They have wootherspoon on D They have tradable roster player glencross & cam. They have good goalie depth with Ortio and gibbons I thinks his name from the states. This is just a good hockey trade scenario for both teams IMO. A lot of you may laugh at this but I honestly think the flames are up and coming looking really good and will be back in the playoffs sooner than later and the addition of spezz isn’t hurting them. Bryan Murray’s gonna go for a youth look guaranteed and they have tons of it.

    • Sandy

      With his back issues and his age almost 31.. he probably has about 5 years left in him to play.
      I assume he wants to go to a team on the rise (ie almost there) or one that is a legit contender… I don’t think he wants to go through a re-building phase again.

    • sprucesens

      Calgary might be interested, but I doubt spezza is. They won’t trade the players we would want, because its the only bright spots in their organization at the moment.

    • peetypuck

      They draft fourth and it would cost them less to trade up a spot or two to get Reinhart or Bennet, both centres. Not to mention they already have Monahan at centre.

  • Dirk-Diggler

    I am all for Da Costa being on a multi year deal. I hope they sign him to a 4 year deal. 1.25, 1.5, 1.5 and 1.75. He’s a guy that can slot easily into the lineup and would probably jump on that offer.

    • FistsofNeil25

      Why a 4 year deal? I don’t understand why we would want to give him any more than one or two years. We have no idea what he will amount to at the NHL level. So it makes way more sense to sign him to one or two seasons to see what he can accomplish here. He has done nothing in the NHL to warrant a 4 year one way contract, even if the annual salary isn’t that much.

      • Dirk-Diggler

        I want it because I think he can be bought cheap and will develop a very good player! I think him and Zibanejad can both compete for 2nd line C and the loser can be slotted on the wing.

        • FistsofNeil25

          I just don’t agree with signing any player to more than one of two season unless they have proven that they belong in the NHL. Da Costa hasn’t done that.

          I’d give him a 2 years @ 1.25 per season. He hasn’t earned any more than that.

          • sprucesens

            agreed on this. while I love the potential of da costa, and the need for a C when spezza leaves, 4 years is a terrible idea. 3 years tops, 2 years preferable. say 1 and 1.5 mill. Gives him a reason to stay, and isn’t a bad deal for us if he doesn’t pan out.

          • whammer44

            Dorion wouldn’t say but unless its a one way, I fully expect him to end up in the KHL next season

      • Jakester

        2 years would make sense.

  • Andrews theory

    I think Michalek will have a bounce back year and if they can drop this shit with the internal budget to ink Michalek and Hemsky to play with Zibanejad our team gets a whole lot better without being anywhere near the cap

    • WaitingSince92

      I really want to believe that, but the problem is that THIS year was his chance for a bounce back. He finally had a full, healthy season after a lot of injury time and he just didn’t have the same power or that inability to be contained along the boards and driving to the net.

      Tough to give him another chance when this past season was his perfect opportunity.

      My guess is we offer him $3.3m, he leaves for $4 or $4.5 somewhere else.

  • esk

    fuck! whenever someone asks for a trade we get royally screwed

  • Dirk-Diggler

    If the offers for Spezza are crap then don’t deal him. Let him play out the year and get hime to show Ottawa and the other teams that he’s still a top line player. I still believe in Spezza and would love to see another season with him playing with Hemsky.

    Other benefits of keeping Spezza are that his salary is $4M but cap hit is $7M. This is good for Eugene. He is just starting out as the captain in a role he’s wanted to do his whole life.

    Only trade Spezza for a great return. Don’t let him go for peanuts. The benefit of keeping him is still there…

  • Andrews theory

    Turris McArthur Ryan
    Zibanejad Hemsky Michalek
    Da Costa Stone Condra
    Smith Neil Greening
    yessir

    • FistsofNeil25

      What about Hoffman?

      • Andrews theory

        haha yes…

        Turris McArthur Ryan
        Zibanejad Hemsky Michalek
        Da Costa Stone Hoffman
        Smith Neil Condra
        Greening sold to Edmonton for future considerations
        better?

        • FistsofNeil25

          Any roster that excludes Greening is a good one in my books.

          Seriously though, I would still really like to re-sign Hemsky. Not sold on bringing back Michalek though. I think that 2nd line LW spot could be filled through the Spezza deal or a MacArthur-like free agent signing.

          • esk

            dont think he wants to comeback if spezza is traded

        • Aaron 2.0

          I’d personally be thrilled with that! Some possibilities for a young guy to maybe be flipped with Milo, if he struggles (and said young guy excels). The big challenge is probably retaining Hemsky. My sense is the biggest road-block to bringing him back is that he’s skeptical to sign with a team that doesn’t look like it’s willing to do the right things to win now. He’s probably pretty easily freaked out about any possibility of getting stuck in another EDM. I don’t think we’re that. But, with the internal budget, he’s probably looking at that, and wondring what the future holds here. I’d just be so happy if we found a way to bring him back!

    • ProfessorPower

      …that minus Milo Condra Da Costa and Hemsky

    • Jakester

      Can’t get excited about any lineup with Condra on the third line and that god awful 4th line.

    • KJ

      There’s a high probability that Lazar makes the line-up. and Stone is not a C. That would be Da Costa. :) Same for Hemsky. Just busting your chops a little.

  • ProfessorPower

    I dont think we should look for a young D in a Spezza Trade. Ottawa needs a veteran D man to play on the second pairing and first pp unit. For Spezza we can either go the ‘win now’ route (Richards+King) or the prospect route; which is possibly more likely due to salary reasons. In that case I would want ready now forward prospects, then make two separate moves:Trade for a top 6 forward and sign or trade for a top 4 D

    Sezza for Etem + DSP + 1st
    Wiercioch + Da Costa/Pumple + Condra for Kevin Bieksa….or sign Dan Boyle
    Hoffman + Prince for Chris Stewart……………………………… Wiercioch + Prince for Stewart

    Macarthur-Turris-Ryan
    Etem-Zibanejad-Stewart
    Smith-Pelly-Lazar-Stone
    Greening-Smith-Neil

    Methot Karlsson
    Cowen-Bieksa
    Philips-Ceci

    Lehner

    • ProfessorPower

      ……and then we wait

      • sbs138

        you base this on what?

        • ProfessorPower

          just my opinion. Both big bodys with speed and a lot of skill, when etem gets going hes hard to stop..i could see him and zib overpowering the opposition. Especially on a line with Etem – Zib – Stewart

    • sprucesens

      yuck on the stewart trades. young D are good when they are actually young and proven already. IE, karlsson is only 23, and proven. Yeah, you aren’t getting a karlsson back, but young doesn’t mean unproven.

      • ProfessorPower

        the Stewart trade would be 50% salary retained. Yes, but I think our team needs a veteran D, not that a young D is bad.

    • Nicholas Rawlins

      Doubt they trade Etem, that’s money in the bank having a California kid play for a California team. Seeing as they lost a draw in teemu

      • Jakester

        Etem still hasn’t performed to where he should be at. A risky guy to trade for.

        • ProfessorPower

          Etem comes from a very Athletic family, coming out of CA he had to make alot of risks to make to this point in his career. His work ethic is tremendous and he is a very powerful skater as well as a big body. Hes 21 and just finished with above a PPG in his last Ahl season. I don’t think he is risky, hell be a 20+ goal scorer in the NHL.

  • Sandy

    I must say I enjoy listening to a Pierre Dorion interview..

  • Sandy

    Ottawa Senators @Senators · May 18

    Thanks to those who voted #NHL15Karlsson, get set for a whole bunch more reasons to vote if @ErikKarlsson65 is off to round 2!

  • Sandy

    Forward Radek Bonk has announced his retirement from professional hockey.

  • Rafi Bomb

    Pierre Dorion had a decent interview on TSN1200. He basically stated that the Senators are going to be very active on July 1st.

    There is a good chance that we move a number of bodies at the draft (Spezza, Hemsky, Michalek, Condra, Greening and possibly Anderson, Weircioch, Gryba and maybe a few prospects or RFAs) so we could either have a fair amount of cap room to play with or a bunch of new faces on the roster. So maybe that is what he is referring to.

    • Sandy

      Lots of UFAs? Not likely to happen.
      It probably has to do with the signing of Ryan, MacArthur, Methot and maybe Anderson..

  • Rafi Bomb

    One area where I could see this organization being very active this summer is what they do with Binghamton. First the Sens have to make a decision on their RFAs (Schnieder, Hamilton, Blood, Da Costa, Dziurzynski, Cowick, Sdao, Grant and Wideman) and their UFAs (Lawson, O’Brien, Eckford, Mullen and Grant).

    Then based on Luke Richardson’s comments after the end of the playoffs, it looks like the Sens will be looking to add some competitive, gritty players who are more experienced. Here are some of the players that I could see the Sens pursue on a two way contract:
    Forwards:
    Alexandre Bolduc
    Mike Angledis
    Brandon Segal
    Harry Zolnierczyk
    Ben Holmstrom
    Pierre Cedric Labrie
    Ben Eager

    Defensemen:
    Garnet Exelby
    Tyson Strachan
    Jon Finely
    Matt Corrente

  • Deadly

    Good start for Curtis tonight.

  • NickofTime

    With so much potential just a yr ago look how far the Ottawa Senators have fallen in just one yr & IMO it all has to do with our owner & his imposed internal budget. If he were to put up the money to keep both Hemsky & Michalek & not trade Spezza, Ottawa would still have a legitimate top NHL line. Now we are risking losing three former 50 pt plus forwards, a complete 150 pt line all because he wants to cut costs & not improve the team. He then plans to replace them with more inexperienced players from within, who just proved in Bingo they are not ready either. Hemsky, Michalek & Spezza are in their prime, this is the time to add, … not subtract & then expect prospects to replace their experience & points.

    At his age & with his injury history I don’t see very many teams that would consider Spezza as a long term solution. But he could be a 1 to 3 yr solution for a team that is close & just needs another peice to put them over the edge, teams like San Jose, St Louis & Annahiem could all have a need, as could Philly, Boston or even Tampa Bay. If Pitt is looking to move Malkin, Murray should be looking to swap Spezza for Malkin in any deal, that should be his first choice. Malkin’s salary will probably prevent that from happening thanks to our owner though & I wouldn’t do it if I was Pitt. I expect Ottawa is slowly becoming the Expos of the NHl & will be supplying our stars to the rest of the league since Ottawa will not be able to afford to retain them. And once again Ottawa seems to be getting screwed & not getting full value for a top player in potential trade deals.

    • Senatollah

      If the Sens were a cap team now this argument makes sense in two years.

    • SENSible Voice

      Ottawa would be a competitive playoffs team with Spezza, Hemsky and Michalek back. That said, I don’t think it’s a line that has the make-up of a Stanley Cup contender… not even as a 2nd line. It lacks physical toughness and perhaps some heart. I do agree ownership has had a bigger impact on the results than the players themselves. This was a very good team in need of a couple of key pieces that Melnyk simply would not pay for.

      Call it what you want but if we lose our entire 2nd line, this is nothing short of a major rebuild… far from the last year of a rebuild which is where we were told we would be by now.

      • KJ

        bullsh$$. convince me. 29 other teams go for the cup. there were a lot better teams than Ottawa missing out, and you think we were a few key pieces away? C’mon. and don’t blame it on the owner. this seems to be trending…

      • NickofTime

        Agreed, Ottawa would be a much better team & a playoff team with Michalek, Hemsky & Spezza. Without them they will likely miss the playoffs again & a potential lottery team. Pathetic & it’s all the owner’s fault, maybe he wants to rebuild the team by being a lottery team for a few yrs like Edmonton, it certainly helped them … oh wait?

  • SENSible Voice

    This whole bit about Spezza wanting to test the waters before committing to a long term contract with a team is ridiculous and goes against common sense. As an aging, often injured player, it is in Jason’s best interest to sign long-term now. As of today, the risk of signing Spezza is entirely on the team trading for him. If he was to entertain the idea of testing the waters first, he shifts the risks onto himself. Not a smart decision and his agent would surely advise him against going that route.

    Sorry but that new twist is total fabrication. Spezza will be doing what every player in his position have done in the past and that is spend the summer visiting potential cities and organizations to get a feel if he likes it there. He’s not about to re-invent the wheel and risk getting shafted if he gets injured during his “testing” period.

    • SensChirp

      Some good points but I trust the information I was given. In the end there are 20 teams the Senators can trade him to. They don’t have to trade him to his preferred destination.
      And like I said, two sides to this where some of the teams that are showing or have shown interest in him may also consider him to be a rental.

      • Senatollah

        Let put full trust in the source. Out of the 20 teams if 19 saw him as a rental only and 1 saw him as a long term player then we would get a decent deal from that 1 team if Long term > rental in the trade market. So good news then.

        • Jakester

          Unless the one team is the Laughs and they decide to wait till he’s a free agent. I still say you trade him at the draft for the best offer.

      • SENSible Voice

        True that Jason isn’t a free agent and therefore has little input as to where he lands (only where he won’t land). That said, he will most likely know who are the contenders before the trade happens so he can negotiate an extension as part of the deal.

        If rumours are true that Spezza wants out, he will be traded this summer unless the offers are seriously lacking. In that case, the team is best to keep him and see what the offers are at trading deadline; like some have mentioned, desperation may dictate the return. But that rental scenario is far less likely to happen given the risks involved and the number of possible team already showing interest in Spezza.

      • whammer44

        This is obviously not a big deal but there are 19 teams the Sens can trade him to not 20. The list of 10 plus the Sens themselves makes 11 who are off the list.

      • Hax

        The only way Jason goes to his preferred destination is if that means he’ll do a sign-and-trade and in doing so drive up the return. In other words, if he wants to be a dick he can refuse to extend for any other team and basically create a scenario where his preferred destination can offer the most.

        I expect it will land somewhere in the middle where Murray will gauge the returns and also get an indication from some teams what they’d offer if Spezza extended. Then let those teams negotiate with Spezza on terms etc.

        So at the end of the day Murray will get the best return from teams Spezza is willing to negotiate with.

    • Millennium

      You’re thinking of him as a UFA, not a traded asset. Very different situation for the player. UFA’s do the things you’re talking about. That will be Spezza next season (maybe). This season can absolutely be a preview for him, since next summer he will be the prime UFA on the market.

      I’ll trust Chirp and his sources over your conjecture.

      • SENSible Voice

        With all due respect, his situation is not unlike that of a UFA. He has asked to be traded. It is now public. The only difference is that he doesn’t get to choose where he goes. However, given that him agreeing ahead of time to an extension would drive up what he returns, he will likely be given a short list of teams willing to trade for him and he will be given freedom to negotiate with them. I may be out to lunch on this but I believe that is the likely scenario unless a team offers a nice return without any committment from Spezza.

        I have nothing against Chirp but on this one, I choose to stick with common sense.

        • Millennium

          The team will take whatever return is best for them, regardless of where it sends him (10 teams notwithstanding). That’s why its so different.

          He utlimately has little to no say on where he lands, so there’s a good chance he might end up somewhere he doesn’t want to stay for more than a year.

          And since he can re-up with the target team next year, no hurry to get it done in his mind; see the preview, make sure it is as good as the brochure, then sign the extension next season/summer.

  • spgottawa

    Ok folks. Let’s be real. You are not going to get the moon for Jason Spezza under any scenario, but you are going to get a return that can help your team in some way – sooner or later. All you need are a couple of serious dance partners who want to win this year and you can get something meaningful back.
    I think BM also considers the opportunity to give more playing time to Turris and ZBad -and help their development as well – as part of the picture too. I really think that they think that ZBad is poised for a breakout year, and I hope they are right. I also believe that they think Lazar is not far off being an NHL regular. So what do they need? A top six winger or two to play with these guys. And a bit more clarity on what is going to solve the mediocre logjam on D… Is budget an issue? Of course! But the potential loss of Michalek and a trade of Spezza takes $10 million out of last years budget that can be re-allocated, not small change.
    The Sens are unlikely to compete for the Cup (hopefully not a surprise to anyone) or the top pick next year (worries of a collapse are, in my opinion, way overblown) A little help up front, a piece on defence, and another year of development for the younger guys may put them in a position to do some damage in 15-16 – that would be a better time to stretch the budget to pay for all those potential UFAs or spend for a bigger piece to take a run.

  • Sandy

    IF Spezza is traded and Michalek & Hemksy are not coming back.. I hope most fans in this City don’t put high expectations on this team to make the playoffs.

    • Jakester

      I have as much fate without those 3 guys that the Sens can
      make the playoffs!

      • Tooks

        You cant be serious…

        You are going to be very dissappointed when we finish in 12th or worse with a roster that looks like this.

        CMac Turris Ryan
        Hoffman Zib Palmieri
        UFA Da Costa Stone
        Greening Smith Neil
        Condra

        Methot Karlsson
        Cowen Ceci
        Sbisa Boro
        Phillips

        • FistsofNeil25

          **shudder**

    • Rafi Bomb

      It really depends on the return for Spezza. We may also trade Hemsky’s rights either separately or part of a package with Spezza which will also give us a decent return.

  • MoeDozer

    take this with a grain of salt:

    a friend of mine (has given me insight before that turned out correct once officially revealed) was in Barbados just recently and ran into our favorite billionaire Eugene, drunk at his bar. Spoke to him for a while Melnyk told him there are currently 3 offers on the table for spezza.

    again most likely means nothing. take it for what it is.

    side note: he said Euge was actually a real nice and welcoming

    • Rafi Bomb

      That is believable. There could be 10 offers on the table for Spezza, but that doesn’t mean they are of fair value. As we get closer to the draft, we should start to receive offers of substantial value.

      I wonder which three teams have put offers in and how far off they are value wise from the Sens accepting them.

      • MoeDozer

        Yep and as sens fans we should hope for as many trade offers possible as this will only increase his value and gives us some leverage to get the best possible package for him.

        • Rafi Bomb

          Yeah we need to create a bit of a bidding war to ensure the highest return. I am inclined to believe that the Sens will attempt to make a blockbuster trade rather than trade Spezza by himself. I see the Sens packaging Spezza and Hemsky and possibly a few other pieces to attempt to garner a substantial return.

          • MoeDozer

            whatever BM decides ive learned to just keep my mouth shut adn trust it. though to trade hemsky, we need to sign him first since he is a UFA i believe

    • KJ

      Surprised?

  • Jakester

    OMG Lazar what a rush up the ice, was nice.

  • Deadly

    When you see Montreal and New York battling it out for the Finals I can’t help but think that ,despite how it looks ,we are not that bad.

    • Jakester

      Yeah really, we outshot and outplayed Montreal in most of the games this year. Just some lax play by certain players and it wouldn’t have been close really.

    • A-Train

      I watch all these series and can’t help but think about goaltending. I really hope Lehner pans out the way we all hope.

      • Deadly

        Every time ,in recent years,when the Canadians did well it was the goaltending that carried the day. A couple of lines and hard workers plus Roy, Price etc can really get you far. Then in the finals the East must hope that their road has been a little easier on the injury front.
        Hopefully Lehner will fulfill the promise that we have seen in the AHL.

      • PaulMacLeansDuster

        The Sens have taken some goalies with some high draft picks the last few season in Dreidger, Brassard and Hogberg. They should have some quality goaltending come up the pipeline soon.

  • A-Train

    First time I’ve seen Lazar play outside the WJC. Looking good….and I can see where the “future captain” tag comes from.

    • Jakester

      He found his legs tonight, a real warrior.

      • Tooks

        And lost. Now they will have a do or Die game vs London. He cant be a no show like he has been all tourney, Oil Kings need him to step it up!

        • xN1Cx

          Faaaaaart….eh, what you say “Tookie”?

          • Tooks

            That was straight from the broadcasters, so I guess you know more than them.

    • peetypuck

      Bryan Murray described him as a larger Gallagher (Habs).

      • A-Train

        Hmm. I’ve seen the fight vids…but does he have that pest quality of a Gallagher?

        • peetypuck

          I haven’t seen enough of him either. I’m just taking Murray’s word.

          • A-Train

            Well…I’m going to pick Lazar to win this tonight. Almost did at the end there with that takeaway behind the net.

          • peetypuck

            Good choice. I think it’s between him or Samuelsson.

          • peetypuck

            Whoa, Petryk just hit the post.

        • sprucesens

          He isn’t nearly as much of an agitator, but he plays hard very shift. But he also sticks up for teammates. He also always has a smile in his face which tends to piss off other teams, and I love it!

    • sens88

      This is a really good, evenly matched game. Lets go Curtis!

  • Sandy

    Oil Kings lost in 2nd OT.. Too bad…

  • JackPackage

    Not saying this is truth or anything, because I nor my “source” are insiders at all. I was working with a guy and he told me that Fish and Carrie were on the rocks. He said she’s been banging Brad Paisley. would anyone take Fish back? He has no inside info whatsoever, but it was an interesting thing.

    • runningbear1974

      No, don’t want FIsher…. He makes bad decisions under pressure… He has a hard time making smart plays…

      • JackPackage

        but he soooo dreamy

        • Sandy

          He most certainly is…

  • senate19

    Chirp, can you comment on the team’s finances for us? After looking at some of the cap-geek stuff that Yost has tweeted, with Spezza gone, etc. he’s showing the team could be as low as $50M (below the floor, if they wanted)?

    Is the team pushing Spezza/Hemsky/Milo out just to save money and get as low as they can? I get the feeling that Melnyk is aiming for a bare-minimum situation. Hockey ops, roster, etc. Obviously this isn’t a shock, but I guess it is. Big-picture-wise, Melnyk seems to be stripping the team down to nothing.

    • SensChirp

      Sort of had my say here. This team won’t win the way Melnyk is operating right now.

      http://senschirp.ca/article/enough-enough/

      • SensChirp

        Spezza situation is unique though because he wanted out. A number of factors involved there but I suspect being part of a cap floor team isn’t exactly a player’s ideal environment to play in.

        • senate19

          I think I’d agree with you, for sure. And I know you’ve said your piece about finances, too. I think in all of this, the thing I worry about most is what Karlsson and Ryan, Turris, and McArthur all secretly think of this team.

          What’s keeping Karlsson in Ottawa, outside of his contract? It sure as heck isn’t Eugene Melnyk

          • Tooks

            It was Alfie, Spezza, maybe Gonchar and even Kuba…All are gone, how do you think Karlsson feels. I wouldnt be surprised if EK65 leaves before his contract is over. If the teams continues to falter or shows sign of not getting any better.

          • senate19

            I might have said this before, but if I’m BM, I am calling Erik Karlsson and asking him who he wants on this team. Who are his friends, find them and sign/trade for them. Very very simple. Make your stars happy.

          • Hax

            You have to be careful doing that though. You don’t want to let the player think they’re calling the shots. I think Pitt has problems with that as they do this with Sindey (according to rumors).

            But yeah, I think realistically you have to consider what will keep EK happy when putting together your team. Not as the only factor but a part of decisions.

          • FistsofNeil25

            I wonder what will keep Erik and the boys happy. My guess would be a commitment from ownership to be willing to put together a winning roster. That commitment isn’t there.

            We’ll see what happens with contract negotiations with Ryan, Mac and Methot. I won’t believe that any of these three guys want to stick around until their contract extensions are finalized.

            The way I see it, every play wants both a chance at winning the cup and to get paid. If we can’t offer these guys both those things, they will be gone.

            It’s the same reason Ryan Suter took off to Minnesota when he became a UFA, and why Shea Weber made contract negotiations difficult with Nashville and ultimately accepted the offer sheet from Philly. Neither of those players wanted to take a pay-cut to play for a budget team.

          • Hax

            Agreed.

            If we accept as fact the idea that we’re not going to spend a lot then the only way to keep/attract players is to show a commitment to winning and treating players well in every other way other than overpaying. Some players won’t be interested but some at least might value winning and a happy locker room over an extra million or two.

            You can’t be a “budget team” and also neglect players in other ways. The Alfie thing hurt, the Spezza thing looks bad but I’m still hopeful that Murray can find ways to make Ottawa a place that some players want to play. His personal rep is pretty good still I think (Fisher, Kelly etc) so hopefully he can get someone to muzzle Melnyk long enough for him to fix the damage.

            And maybe he can convince Euge to bump the internal cap another million or two every time he shoots his mouth off and makes things worse.

          • Dirtysweetness

            I think old Euge is playing with fire here. Anyone know what our attendance was like last season compared to previous ones?

          • Senatollah

            Can anyone take our current roster on capgeek and make it a cap team? What would it look like. Lets assume the trade for Spezza brings back a good forward who would probably be overpriced for his output. Assume Hemsky walks as the Sens wouldnt overpay for him. Milo is broken goods so we let him walk too.

            Are there enough UFAs to have a solid team that would get us deep into the playoffs. And with the contracts you have to give out (multi-year, overpriced) to land these UFAs who from the current roster would you be willing to sacrifice when there is no cap room available.

          • Hax

            It’s nearly impossible unless you trade away guys like Turris and Zibanejad for more expensive options. Or overpay all the top UFAs. Even if Melnyk suddenly said to Murray “spend whatever you need to” it would be years before we’d be at or near the cap. The problem seems to be that our “budget” it way, way below the cap though.

            But we could certainly be a very solid team next season if there was no budget or internal cap holding Murray back.

          • Dirk-Diggler

            Ya, if we were smart I’d sign Gaborik and trade for Ehrhoff. That would add a lot of salary and two guys that can help the team.

          • Dirtysweetness

            But that’s the thing. If we’re a budget team, what would entice any free agent to sign here especially a high end one? It would be different if this team was constantly in the mix as a Stanley Cup contender as we were a few years ago.
            What makes it worse is the high taxes these players have to pay compared to their colleagues that reside in the US. The taxes are lower and the cost of living is cheaper-depending on the area. Unfortunately, nowadays the only way Canadian teams can retain “high end” talent is through the draft or via trade.

          • FistsofNeil25

            If we weren’t a budget team we would probably keep Spezza and Hemsky, and look add a top six winger left winger and a top four defenseman.

          • runningbear1974

            It might be a budget decision, but if I were the GM it would be a strategic decision not related to money, but to developing a winning system… Hemsky is a skilled player who isn’t consistent, who doesn’t like to shoot… I’ve already said tons about Spezza…

          • FistsofNeil25

            It’s hard to find the numbers for actual paid attendance. According to ESPN, our total attendance took a big hit this past season. I’m not sure if those figures are the same in terms of tickets sold, which is what matters the most.

            Just looking at the numbers, it looks like we dropped from 5th overall last season to 21st overall this season.

          • Dirk-Diggler

            I think there was a comment from Cyril Leeder that season ticket holders were down 1000 people or so…

          • Tooks

            Agreed 100%. Tough sledding for the next few years.

          • Tooks

            Not so simple when you have a budget owner.

          • A-Train

            Hopefully that conversation starts with “Other than Peter Regin….”

          • runningbear1974

            No special treatment for the superstars… If he starts acting like a prima donna then get rid of him… It’s very important that we build a good leadership group… We need Karlsson to be part of that group, and to have the right attitude, and behaviour…

      • runningbear1974

        I don’t think there’s anything that Melnyk can do right now that will make us win the cup in the next 2 years… Even if Melnyk spent all his money… Money is not the problem…
        The problem is our leadership group, they don’t have what it takes to step it up, nor do they have what it takes to bring the team together as a group…
        Once a good leadership group is established then we’ll be in a position to actually win…

        • Doc

          Don’t kid yourself. Money is definitely part of the problem.

          • runningbear1974

            Money would not make our leaders any better… They already have tons of money… The problem is we let these guys develop into 1-dimensional players…

          • Doc

            I wasn’t talking about bigger contracts for our guys.

  • FistsofNeil25

    It’s too bad the Oil Kings lost to Val-d’Or last night. Lazar played his best game of the tournament notching a goal and a beauty assist but it wasn’t enough to get the win.

    Guelph and London face-off tonight and if Guelph wins, Edmonton moves on to the semi-final for a rematch against Val-d’Or. If London wins then I think there’s a tie-breaker game between them and Edmonton to see who moves on to the semi-finals.

    I don’t know a whole lot about CHL hockey but from what I’ve seen, I don’t think London stands much of a chance versus Guelph.

    • Tooks

      Ya seems that way, Guelph, atleast in the Mem Cup have been the best team by far. I would say Val D’or being a far 2nd, then EDM and London. Surprised London is doing this badly, its not over yet and they might turn it up now, they got no choice!

      Ya with all the talk about Lazar, I would have expect a 2-0 lead to be a win for the Oil Kings, the way people talk about his overall game and such. Credit to Val D’or, even without a great showing by Mantha and missing their #1D they pulled through.

      • FistsofNeil25

        “Ya with all the talk about Lazar, I would have expect a 2-0 lead to be a
        win for the Oil Kings, the way people talk about his overall game and
        such.”

        This is such a typical Tookie comment. Did ya watch the game bud? Lazar was the best player on the ice for Edmonton. He had a goal and an assist and could have easily had a two more assists if his teammates had a bit more finish.

        You can’t blame Lazar for the team blowing a two goal lead. How about blaming the 20 year old captain and top draft pick Griffin Reinhart who was on the ice for 3 of the 4 goals against, and directly responsible for two of those goals. Or perhaps blame Jarry who go out-performed by the opposing goalie. When your team outshoots the opposition by almost 20 shots, your goalie better do his part and Jarry didn’t.

        But ya I guess you’re right, maybe if Lazar had a better all round game they wouldn’t have blown the 2 goal lead lol

        • Tooks

          Holy rage man, lol. Put your panties back on. Nowhere does it say I blame Lazar directly. Just showing you how people overvalue prospects on here. The way you all talk like Lazar is the Sens saviour but cant lead his team to victory in the Mem Cup.

          Its still early but like the panel said, “Oil Kings need their 41 goal man to be MUCH MUCH better if they want to win this tournament”

          • FistsofNeil25

            That’s where you got it all wrong. Just because we’re excited about the kid doesn’t mean we think he’s going to be our saviour. He’s just a really good prospect that’s all.

            Every team gets excited about their top prospects.

          • Tooks

            I agree, but they have superior prospects, ex: Landeskog, Hall, RNH, MacKinnon, Seguin, Huberdeau, Bjugstad, Nichushkin, Stamkos, Hedman…list goes on.

            Not saying ours suck but none of them have had the impact these players have had. When’s the last time a prospect came in and put up 50 pts for us?

          • FistsofNeil25

            I love how you snuck Bjugstad’s name into that list.

            Let’s see the difference between those players you listed, and our prospects.

            Hall, Nugent-Hopkins, MacKinnon, Stamkos – 1st overall all picks

            Landeskog, Hedman, Seguin – 2nd overall picks

            Huberdeau – third overall

            Nichushkin – 10th overall (would have been higher if he wasn’t a Russian)

            The highest pick we’ve had since we drafted Spezza was Zibanejad. You can’t expect our prospects to come in and have the same impact that those other players have had. It’s kind of a ridiculous argument. We haven’t been bad enough to finish that high in the draft order.

            We should have had Landeskog, but we can thank Anderson and Spezza for our strong finish that year to play us out of that pick.

        • Zelle

          I don’t think he watches any games, he just looks at boxscores and makes assumptions, then rags on Sen players or prospects while boasting about other team’s players and prospects.

          • runningbear1974

            yep exactly… Our players are the worse, and other players are the best…

          • Tooks

            Silf was supposed to win the Calder….
            Zib was supposed to win the Calder…
            Hell, Regin and Butler were supopsed to be the next Heatley 50 goal guys with Spezza.

            Our prospects are not as good as people make them out to be. Otherwise the above would be different.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Don’t forget Filatov was supposed to put up 50+ points on Spezza’s wing, and Bobby was supposed to be a 50 goal scorer on the Sens as well.

            Tookie, some people obviously have unrealistic expectations for every player that comes through this organization. All fanbases over value their players, it’s just the way it is.

            Oh just for the record, I totally expect Stone to challenge for the Calder this year ;)

      • whammer44

        SInce you aren’t saying it directly I assume you are insinuating with the Lazar comment that maybe Lazar may not be the chosen one the Sens faithful are believing he is?

      • boom

        You’re trying too hard, Tooks.
        Inferring that a blown 2-0 lead is all on Lazar is a reach, and I think you know it.
        Speaking of Mantha, however, if there’s a team that will ensure he will be a good pro, it’s the Wings. He obviously has the talent, and they will make sure all other (apparent weaknesses) aspects of his game improve.

        • Tooks

          Well not saying it was completely his fault but he was on the ice for the tying goal (with 4 other guys) but when your the apparent leader of that group and are trusted to play in the last minutes of a game to close it out. I expect the player to do just that. So does the coach.

          • boom

            Yet you only mentioned Lazar…

          • A-Train

            If you keep feeding him he’ll keep coming back.

          • boom

            I have no problem with Tookie. I enjoy our back and forths, but I will cease and desist…

          • A-Train

            Alright…good to know. I guess some people enjoy it.

            Me, I find it as predictable as the sun rising that he is on here this morning riling people up.

            So instead of having an interesting discussion about Lazar’s game and where we think he’s at….instead I need to wade through a bunch of trolling and the inevitable outraged responses.

            I feel like there are better boards etc out there for people who have the time/energy for that sort of thing…but it’s up to you all.

      • Deadly

        Helping hand to lineman that blew the icing call.

      • xN1Cx

        Yeah “Tookie”. Really bad form but thanks for coming out…

        I agree with you guys, I was glad to have a chance to watch Lazar shine. He looked like a beast out there, constantly outworking the opposition. Going to be interesting to see how he is deployed next year.

    • Sandy

      With Guelph guaranteed a final appearance.. they may just rest their better players and that way London would win..

  • Dirk-Diggler

    I made a roster with a $60 M cap hit… let me know what you think… If only we could spend the money…

    http://capgeek.com/armchair-gm/roster/16812

    My trades were,

    Trade 1: Spezza for Filip Foresberg and 1st 2015 pick

    Trade 2: Methot, Pumpel and Anderson for Letang and Fleur

    • Doc

      Hell no on your second trade. Not sure what this accomplishes.

      We have a better version of Letang in Karlsson. We need D that can play D, not move the puck. And yuck to Fleury.

      • Dirk-Diggler

        Love Letang and what he brings every night. I think he’s way past the injury and is the kind of guy you want showing the kids work ethic and dedication to the game. Also, the guy can move well around the ice and play in all situations. His cap hit is high but it’s manageable for the Sens.

        Flower would only be here one year and would split starts with Lehner.. I’d see Lehner starting about 35-45 games next year and the following year 60-70 games with one of the Sens young goalies backing him up or a cheap UFA signing…

      • Tooks

        Not to sure Karlsson is a better version of Letang. Letang did put up better stats than EK65 before he got hurt, he was at a PPG! Would have won the Norris easily.

        They are both great players but Letang plays with a alot more edge, hence why he always seems to be banged up/injured.

        • FistsofNeil25

          Imagine the points Karl would put up playing with Crosby, Malkin and Neal.

          Karlsson put up the points he did playing on a shitty team lol he’s put up two 70+ point seasons now playing on a team that has had no more than 4 top-six forwards.

          • Tooks

            True, but he would have ALOT less pressure to provide offense in PIT than he is here in OTT.

            I actually think he would be putting up less points in PIT but would but much better all around.

          • Shibal

            Nah man. If Gonchar was putting up 50 point seasons with the Penguins before coming to Ottawa, I would expect Karlsson to put up 85-95 points with the Penguins.

    • Sandy

      Methot. Puempel & Anderson for a sieve of a goaltender in Fleury.. and Letang who isn’t best defensively himself? Absolutely NOT.

  • A-Train

    On Lazar…

    Really enjoyed watching him play last night. To my eyes he showed a really appealing mix of aggression, hockey smarts and personality. Don’t have the stats in front of me but he also seemed to dominate the face-off circle.

    I don’t pretend to know how he’d fare in the NHL in a few months but he was clearly one of the best and most complete players on the ice.

  • A-Train

    Uh oh…

    @TSNSteve
    Sens will be busy July 1st. They’re also in rebuild mode with reputation. Not keeping Alfie happy didn’t sit well with a lot of players.

    …is this for real?

    • runningbear1974

      Maybe when he said a lot of players he meant Phillips, Neil, and Spezza…

      • FistsofNeil25

        What?!?!?! I bet you there isn’t a single player on that roster that wasn’t pissed at the team for letting Alfie go.

        • Tooks

          Ya no kidding, you think Jason leaving is just a random act?

          • runningbear1974

            I think Jason wanting to leave is because of Maclean demanding him to play more defensively…

          • bluebuyyoo

            More likely that the rats are jumping from the sinking ship. The worry is that others may follow as their contracts come up for renewal.

          • A-Train

            I really think this concern is overblown. Most franchises…even some of the big-market ones…go through periods of financial rockiness and weird ownership.

            It’s hard to see past Melnyk’s current jerky statements and moves…but this too will pass.

          • Sandy

            As the 6th Sens said in his article.. maybe part of the reason for the budget is the debt/value % and how much he owes on the team. Maybe his lenders won’t let him spend any more than he can ‘afford’. My fear is.. his other failing business ventures have a combined debt with the Sens..

            I can’t believe he lost 10M a season average on this team. IF that was true.. he would most definitely received a portion of revenue sharing to offset that.

            Forbes shows the Sens 15th on the list in current value…

            http://www.forbes.com/nhl-valuations/#page:2_sort:0_direction:asc_search:
            Their actual debt/value% isn’t even worst in the NHL either..
            I just don’t know what this Owner is really trying to do.. other than screw with this team..

        • runningbear1974

          We didn’t let him go… He left… We wanted him, he didn’t want us… It sucks but it happens… I will never think of him the same way, because of his decision…

          • FistsofNeil25

            pffffff

          • A-Train

            He left because he felt screwed by the the year he played for $1M.

            So who left who let who go is kind of a matter of perspective.

          • runningbear1974

            From my perspective… He left… We wanted him… Every indication is that we wanted him, but he wanted a challenge somewhere else… If he would have retired with us, I would feel very differently towards him… Now he’s just an ex-player…

          • Tooks

            If we wanted him we would have paid him, pure and simple. Budget got in the way and Melnyk tried to lowball a guy who played for under market value most of his career to help the Sens out.

            Classy.

          • Sandy

            Instead of the first offer from the Sens at 4.5M to Alfie.. if they would have come in at 5.5M then maybe he would still be in Ottawa. Considering he made a point to them about playing for 1M for his last season here.. a f’in 1M more from an NHL Owner to his franchise player should have been a no-brainer.

          • boom

            Agreed. I think it was handled badly by both sides, but almost everyone else on this site must have been in the room or on the con-calls because ALL of the blame is being placed on the Sens…don’t be critical of Alfie – he’s a GOD…

          • runningbear1974

            He is a GOD because the awesome sens fans made him one… We’ll have a new God soon enough… I don’t think of him as a God… Now I think he’s just some other player that stayed with a team that paid him well for a long time… Lots of guys do that… Sundin, Sedin, what’s that other Swedish guy that was the captain of Vancouver… The fans of Ottawa paid him over 60 million for his services… He’s a well paid God that’s for sure…

    • Doc

      Well, we already know it affected Karlsson, and you can bet that his previous linemate Turris was also affected.

      I don’t doubt that the departure of the longest running Captain and the franchise record holder for all stats affected the rest of the group.

      • A-Train

        The players upset part isn’t what I’m worried about.

        It’s the possibility being floated of an Alfie signing on July 1.

        Make no mistake, there is a source at work here…

        • Doc

          What? I didn’t read his tweet that way at all.

          I took it as available players on the market know that the Sens are still in a rebuild, and that they now have a certain reputation for the way they handled the departure of their all-time franchise player.

          • A-Train

            Am I being too paranoid? The team has never been a big UFA spender. And they really don’t have a lot of contracts to re-up this season. Unless we think he means getting Michalek and/or Hemsky signed is important for organizational rep.

          • Doc

            My guess is that the biggest move will be the re-signing of Ryan on July first.

          • runningbear1974

            Our most important move is to sign Ryan….

          • Doc

            Was merely saying that re-signing Ryan will be a big part of “we’ll be busy on July 1st”.

          • FistsofNeil25

            I took it as the Sens need to rebuild their reputation.

          • Sandy

            That is how I took it as well. Those other players know the Owner is a cheapskate as he wouldn’t offer an extra 1.5M to keep their franchise player. Now, reportedly, their new captain wants out.
            IMO — these two situations really hurt the reputation of the team. I think any UFA will just look the other way and would go to Edmonton long before they come to Ottawa.
            I fear now.. that the Ottawa Senators would be at the bottom of the list for a desired location to play.

        • Sandy

          Alfie will never be back with the Ottawa Senators in any capacity as long as Melnyk owns the team.. No source on that but me, however.. but the comments by both Alfie & Melnyk kinda makes me feel that way.

      • aegiszx

        Agreed. Karl had probably one of the toughest seasons what with his injury, his off-ice issues, and the loss of his mentor/best friends (Regin, Alfie, Silf). Hopefully he understands now that hockey is a business and he comes roaring out of the gate next season.

      • Tooks

        And I think the icing on the cake was Jason wanting out, he’s only the first of many who’s gonna want to leave sooner rather than later.

        • Doc

          That’s the spirit!

        • Dirk-Diggler

          The good news is that there are only 30 teams in the NHL and all these guys want to play in the big leagues. I think a lot of them don’t really care for what team. Just a place that treats them well and pays them fairly. If Ottawa offers correct money to any free agent they will keep us in consideration. It’s not like there will be a mass exodus and we are left with only 4th liners and AHL quality guys.

        • Deadly

          Maybe some of the fans should join that group that want out.

          • Tooks

            The arena would be empty…

          • Doc

            Wouldn’t people wanting out, NOT go to the arena to begin with?

            Silly Tooks.

  • thepez

    Some of the media and people on here are commenting on Dorion’s interview without even hearing or listening to what he said. The whole July 1st reference is in regards to the 5 RFA’s. He was asked the status of the RFA’s and he answered by saying “we will be busy on July 1st”. It has nothing to do with going after UFA’s. The free agent frenzy day last year was July 5th. I’m assuming it is the same this year.
    People need to start reporting the facts rather than assuming. Put me down as one who is still not convinced that Spezza will be traded. I have not read or heard anything from anyone associated with the Senators or Spezza that have said it is a definite that he will be traded.

    • boom

      I was listening to the radio when he said “we will be busy on July 1st”, and you are exactly correct. It was in reference to how many RFA’s and potential UFA’s they will have to deal with.
      Regarding Spezza, I have no idea – quotes from Maclean would lead you to believe that they want him, and expect him to be back…

      • Senatollah

        Best part of the call was Gryba’s agent interrupting and Dorion was like “meh”.

    • FistsofNeil25

      That’s exactly what he was talking about. They were talking about Ryan,
      MacArthur, Methot, Spezza and Anderson when Dorion said “let’s just say
      this, we’ll be very busy on July 1st” or something to that effect,
      meaning they will be able to begin contract negotiations with next
      year’s UFA’s like Ryan, Methot and MacArthur.

      • A-Train

        Ah…that makes more sense. Got me worried we were in for some bizarro Alfie 2.0 drame. Too much coffee this morning…………

    • esk

      thank you!

    • Doc

      LOL…

      Why would they say that he will be traded no matter what? What purpose does that serve? He’s available and all other teams know it.

      He also gave his list of ten teams he won’t be traded to.

      Give it up people.

      • Sandy

        I believe any player that has a NTC has to give 10 teams every year to where they would not be traded. I think that is in their ‘agreement’.

        • Doc

          Yep, and he was asked to provided it before it actually was required.

  • aegiszx

    Imagine if BM was able to go out and grab a proven winner in Dave Bolland… 3 years at 5.5M a year.

    • A-Train

      Him and Karlsson could geek-out together on some hamstring laceration talk…

    • runningbear1974

      Bolland makes good decisions under pressure… He’s been part of winning and understands what it takes…

      • aegiszx

        It’s also been discussed but the idea of bringing Mike Richards… god damn…

        The fact is that all of our players need mentoring and still need to develop their game.. take it to the next level. It’s hard to develop your own game when everyone around you is also developing theirs, so you have no one to model your game after (the coaches do to an extent)…

        I would LOVE if a guy like Mike Richards or David Backes could help develop Zibby & Turris into bonafide stars.

        • Tooks

          Mike Richards is the next Captain of the Kings, Brown is probably out. Would take either of them tho but probably Brown is more realistic.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Both players will be difficult to move. Brown makes 5.85 until 2022 and Richards makes 5.75 until 2020. I wouldn’t tough either player with a ten foot pole. Both are declining due to their style of play.

          • Dirk-Diggler

            I think Brown is due to make $8m in salary next year and it will be the 1st year of his new deal. Doubt LA trades him

          • Dirk-Diggler

            sorry, just looked it up… he’s getting $7.25 on his new deal in year 1… He isn’t moving to the Sens!

          • Tooks

            Cap hit is what matters, only 5.85 for the next how many years.

          • The Apostle

            The cap hit isn’t what matters to Eugene.

          • Tooks

            True, oh to be cheap…

          • Sandy

            He is the kind of player the Sens need..
            Imagine Curtis Lazar-Zibby-Dustin Brown..
            His next 3 seasons pays him over 7M.. then it starts to go down..
            His cap is 5.875M.. so that would fit into a lot of teams budgets.. except the Sens budget.. of course.

      • Tooks

        Yes, he’s also a 3rd line centre, who was surrounded with he best players in the world., next…

      • Sandy

        He said he wants to stay in Toronto.

    • FistsofNeil25

      I would prefer to see them spend a bit more to get Stastny. Stastny is a top six forward. Bolland may be a proven winner but he’s just a 3rd line center and you don’t pay that kind of cash to that kind of player.

      • A-Train

        Speaking of Stastny…I had kind of forgotten about him. Don’t see him signing with Ottawa….but he could have an effect on the Spezza trade. Any team interested in Spezza would probably like to sign Stastny first…assuming they have cap space.

        • FistsofNeil25

          I don’t see him signing hear either but he would be a great pick up if Spezza is dealt.

          • Tooks

            Yes, yes he would. Stop making me sad with all these guys we wont get :(

      • aegiszx

        He’s not just a winner though, he’s clutch, and was an anchor on a Hawks team with the no.1 PK… He’s rarely in the box as well. He’s gonna command big money but thats the price you pay… contracts are going to keep rising from now on.

        • FistsofNeil25

          Contracts are going to keep rising for sure, but that doesn’t justify paying third line players 5+ million per season. Those are the types of contracts that cripple a team.

          I would love Bolland, but not at the salary he will command.

          • A-Train

            The key is to find your own Bollands. Those solid, cheap(ish) 2-way players who suddenly become playoff gold when the going gets tough for the stars.

            I still have nightmares about the Ducks’ niedermayer-pahlsson- moen line.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Yeah that line owned Heatley and Spezza in the finals.

            I hate thinking about that series. Alfie and Fisher were the only two Sens players who could get anything going against Anaheim.

          • Rafi Bomb

            Neil won game 3 almost by himself.

            But overall we didn’t have the toughness and grit to compete with the Ducks. We are still lacking in that department and that is why we struggle to compete with the top Western Conference teams.

          • Rafi Bomb

            We could have drafted Andrew Shaw. He was passed over in his first two years of eligibility. His emergence as a player also allowed the Blackhawks to move Bolland.

          • WaitingSince92

            AAAaaaah, don’t remind me. That line absolutely destroyed us. The whole Pronger/Niedermayer thing didn’t help either.

            Kinda why I hope we get a really solid dman in return for Spezza

          • Sandy

            No what destroyed the Sens was they were a one-line team.. Once they got shut down, no one else could score.

          • peetypuck

            Check out Nick Ritchie, Oshawa Generals, LW, 6′ 2″, 218lbs. Bob MacKenzie has him rated 6th overall in the June draft. We could use a guy like him in our top-9.

    • Tooks

      Way too much, I agree Bolland is a proven winner but after that injury…He wont be the same ever again. He is super clutch tho but I woudl have him on the 3rd line adn at 5.5M is way too much.

      Especially on a team that wont make the playoffs for awhile, Bolland is useless.

      • A-Train

        Yes. Overpaying for guys like Bolland is a huge mistake. Chicago was very smart to move on.

    • runningbear1974

      I prefer Bolland to Hemsky… Much better player, much better value…

      • Deadly

        Very different skill sets. If money was no problem and Spezza was back signing both would be fine. Second ,third line .

      • Doc

        Not sure if serious, but they are completely different types of players.

        • runningbear1974

          I’m aware they are different types of players… One leads to winning and the other is just for show with no substance… That’s the point I’m making… I think the fans are wrong to want Hemsky and not want Bolland….

          • bluebuyyoo

            I don’t see this as Bolland or Hemsky. As Doc said, they are two different types of players. Having Bolland and Hemsky would make this team better. That said, paying a 3rd line player 5.5M is rather steep.

          • runningbear1974

            I am the one comparing these 2 players… I’m also saying that the fans want Hemsky and they are wrong to want him…. He’s a poser, a pretender… He’s not a real player… He’s a skilled player that is inconsistent and who doesn’t like to shoot the puck… He’s overrated… Whereas Bolland is not overrated, he’s more than just skilled… If I had a vote between the two I choose Bolland, and I think the fan base is wrong in their assessment of Hemsky… Just for show that guy…

          • Doc

            A strong opinion.

            Let’s put it this way then: Would you do Bolland at 5,5 per over Hemsky at 5?

          • runningbear1974

            Yes… If I had to choose one of those players at the same price I would choose Bolland… I think Bolland is close to that value whereas I think Hemsky is completely overrated…

          • Doc

            For a guy that played a total of 58 games in the last two seasons, and had a career high of 47 points?

            I strongly disagree then.

          • runningbear1974

            I respect your right to disagree… Like I said I think Hemsky is a poser for the regular season… Whereas I think Bolland plays great under pressure… I believe Bolland would contribute more towards winning a cup than Hemsky would… Again, just my opinion from how I’ve seen them play…

          • Doc

            Don’t get me wrong, I’d love Bolland on my team. Just not for his current salary.

            I also think Hemsky makes our top 6 that much better. He looked fantastic with Zibby as well as Spezza.

            You need both types of guys for a successful run at the cup. I just think that Bolland’s contract was a direct result of playoff performance ‘à la Greening’, and we know how that ended up…

          • runningbear1974

            For me it’s the type of player… I hate these skilled entitled players… It bothers me that Hemsky gets paid more and apparently deserves more than Macarthur… I disagree… I also like players like Gionta… More leader type players, rather than flashy when there’s no pressure… He “looked” great, but we lost, and he’s not great… He might get us a few more points throughout the season but he won’t win us any extra games in the playoffs… And, I also agree that 5 million is a little much for Bolland, but better Bolland than Hemsky…

          • Rafi Bomb

            MacArthur is a bit of a blend between the two skill sets. He is the more ideal type of player you want for a cup run. Bolland fits that mould as well, but at a certain price signing him is more detrimental then beneficial.

            This organization simply needs to put a stronger emphasis on drafting and developing players that are built for playoff hockey. Either that or work harder to find the ones available through free agency or trade that are somewhat under the radar. Otherwise we will be forced to overpay for players like Bolland.

          • Doc

            MacArthur had awesome underlying numbers, but for some odd reason he was overlooked by many. He was probably the steal of the FA frenzy last summer. That’s why Advance Stats are important kids! A hard lesson Leafs management are getting this year.

            Having him at 3,25 is ridiculously cheap, and he will command a hefty raise soon enough. He’ll get his pay-day, don’t you worry.

          • Rafi Bomb

            It would be a poor decision to sign either player at $5M per. Hemsky has a lot of speed and skill but he is injury prone, below average defensively and has almost no grit or physicality to his game.

            Bolland has a lot of grit, is above average defensively, is very competitive and is a proven winner but he doesn’t have the kind of offensive game to warrant a $5M+ contract.

  • Mitchell

    People got upset when Alfie left.
    Somehow in some world people get upset if we lost Phillips?
    But we are okay with trading Spezza.

    • Hax

      From what has been rumored, it could have been easy to keep Alfie if our owner hadn’t pissed him off.

      Spezza wants to move on and the team wants to move on. So while many fans wish we could keep Spezza and build around him why whine about trading him when the reality is both sides (appear to) want to move on?

      • Mitchell

        It’s an observation. I found it interesting the wants and needs. That’s all

        • Hax

          Wasn’t implying you were the one “whining” – just responding to your observation.

          • Mitchell

            Oh okay, I read it that way. My bad

      • Tooks

        Yes I think its pretty much fact right now that Spezza wants out, he has his reasons but we all know its Management driven.

        I have no issues trading Spezza, but I dont expect to have a great return, its gonna be some mid level roster players a la Palmieri/Sbisa. Hence why I think Murray wont have any other choice than to keep him this year and try to unload him at the Deadline to some contender making a push.

        • WaitingSince92

          I’d rather get non-NHL-ready prospects with high ceiling than mid-level players. We have more mid-bottom range players than we could ever need.

          • Senatollah

            that depends on what the organization wants to do going forward. Out of the teams 50 pro contracts, a good number are UFA/RFA this summer. So the team could part ways with many mid-bottom range players to give the opportunity to new players in the organization.

      • The Apostle

        Players move on. It’s a fact of sports life. I am OK with trading Spezza because I think it has the potential to benefit the team which is all I truly care about.

        I thought the subtraction of Alfredsson and the addition of Ryan would benefit the team, and whilst I still think it will in the long term it had a far bigger detrimental effect last season than I expected. I would have liked Alfredsson to have stayed however because I believe there is a place for loyalty and legacy even if in the short term the team took a slight dip – but that was, to a certain extent, taken out of his hands.

        I’m Ok with Phillips going. I can’t really change my mind on that because I wanted him to move on 3 years ago. I understand what i think is some of the reasioning for him staying but that would have been solved if he had moved on at the end of his last but one contract.

    • Mitchell

      I’m okay with the Spezza move. Even when Alfredsson left I didn’t want him to go but I know it was time to reinvent this team further. But resigning Phillips with HOW MANY new one way and D contracts will have doesn’t seem like a smart idea. But yes let’s trade Spezza and hopefully land a top 4 d-man…

      • WaitingSince92

        That’s just ridiculous. If Alfie had really just wanted to chase a cup before he retires, fine, but to go down the way it did was just stupid. Alfredsson is the epitome of someone who you keep in a rebuild for leadership.

        I’m worried because all the players now know that $ is the be-all-end-all with Melnyk. We no longer have the reputation of an elite team, but more importantly, of an elite franchise. That goodwill and reputation took a long time to build up. OK now I’m ranting…

        • Sandy

          You may be ranting.. but you are right.
          It takes a long time to get goodwill and reputation in an organization.. and for the Sens.. that is quickly going away.

          This organization’s commitment has gone from desire to win a Stanley Cup to desire to save the Owner some money..

          My rant over..

    • A-Train

      Hmm. Three veterans and lifetime Sens….three very different situations, no?

  • FistsofNeil25

    I was playing around with the arm-chair GM feature on CapGeek after seeing a few posters around here come up with potential rosters for next season. I came up with a couple of scenarios that are within Ottawa’s rumored budget of 56-57 million.

    I know a lot of it may not seem realistic but it’s just for fun anyway right?

    Roster 1:

    CAPGEEK.COM ARMCHAIR GM ROSTER
    CapGeek Armchair GM Roster
    FORWARDS
    Devante Smith-Pelly
    ($2.000m)
    /
    Paul Stastny
    ($6.250m)
    /
    Bobby Ryan
    ($5.100m)

    Clarke MacArthur
    ($3.250m)
    /
    Kyle Turris
    ($3.500m)
    /
    Mark Stone
    ($0.603m)

    Zack Smith
    ($1.888m)
    /
    Mika Zibanejad
    ($0.894m)
    /
    Kyle Palmieri
    ($1.467m)

    Mike Hoffman
    ($0.900m)
    /
    Stephane Da Costa
    ($0.900m)
    /
    Erik Condra
    ($1.250m)

    Chris Neil
    ($1.900m)

    DEFENSEMEN
    Marc Methot
    ($3.000m)
    /
    Erik Karlsson
    ($6.500m)

    Jared Cowen
    ($3.100m) / Matt Niskanen
    ($5.000m)

    Patrick Wiercioch
    ($2.000m)
    /
    Cody Ceci
    ($0.894m)

    Chris Phillips
    ($2.500m)
    /

    GOALTENDERS
    Craig Anderson
    ($3.188m)

    Robin Lehner
    ($1.750m)

    ——
    CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
    (estimations for 2014-15)
    SALARY CAP: $71,100,000; CAP PAYROLL: $57,583,333; BONUSES: $1,595,000
    CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $13,516,667

    Traded Spezza for Palmieri and Smith-Pelly. Greening for a back of pucks, signed Stastny and Niskanen, re-signed Hoffman, Da Costa and Lehner, and let Gryba walk.

    • WaitingSince92

      Could you please space things out more so this post takes up more space?

      • FistsofNeil25

        I’m pretty sure I fixed it – even so, pretty sure there’s an unlimited amount of space on the damn internet lol if it really bothers you why don’t ya just minimize the comment?

        • WaitingSince92

          Easy now, I was just being cheeky!

    • Senatollah

      looks like a decent line up. I would think Stanstny wants more $$, especially to play in Canada

      • Sandy

        Stastny is not coming to Ottawa.. Forget about that..

    • Tooks

      Well you have to be a little bit realistic. Think we can get Niskanen & Stastny? that is highly unlikely. Would love it but Melnyk calls the shots. I also think DSP stays in ANA, no way they give him up for Spezza.

      • s3nsfan

        Melnyk calls the shots and as long as it’s within budget he’d do it. That is realistic, not like he’s at 68 million when they’ve stated their internal budget.

      • FistsofNeil25

        Tookie if you want me to post the most realistic roster for Ottawa next season then you better make sure you’re sitting down. You might faint..

        MacArthur – Turris – Ryan
        Trade/UFA – Zibanejad – Stone
        Greening – Smith – Neil
        Hoffman – Da Costa – Condra
        Pageau

        Methot – Karlsson
        Phillips – Ceci
        Cowen – Gryba
        Wiercioch
        Borowiecki

        Anderson
        Lehner

        There, how’s that for realistic? Does that make ya feel better? At least we would have a legitimate chance of McDavid or Eichel

        • Tooks

          MmmmmmmmcDavid!

    • Sandy

      The trade may go down that way.. but definitely not the free agent signings..

  • FistsofNeil25

    Roster 2:

    CAPGEEK.COM ARMCHAIR GM ROSTER
    CapGeek Armchair GM Roster
    FORWARDS
    Clarke MacArthur
    ($3.250m)/Kyle Turris($3.500m)/Bobby Ryan($5.100m)

    Mikkel Boedker($2.550m)/Paul Stastny($6.000m)/Chris Stewart($4.150m)

    Zack Smith($1.888m)/Mika Zibanejad($0.894m)/Mark Stone($0.603m)

    Mike Hoffman($0.850m)/Stephane Da Costa($0.900m)/Erik Condra($1.250m)

    Jean-Gabriel Pageau($0.613m)/Chris Neil($1.900m)

    DEFENSEMEN

    Marc Methot($3.000m)/Erik Karlsson($6.500m)

    Jared Cowen($3.100m)/Michael Stone($1.150m)

    Chris Phillips($2.500m)/Cody Ceci($0.894m)

    Eric Gryba
    ($1.500m)

    GOALTENDERS
    Craig Anderson($3.188m)

    Robin Lehner($1.500m)

    ——
    CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
    (estimations for 2014-15)
    SALARY CAP: $71,100,000; CAP PAYROLL: $56,170,000; BONUSES: $1,595,000
    CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $14,320,000

    • Tooks

      Not too bad and within the “Budget” but I doubt Stastny comes here to play 2C at 6Mil. Turris would be 2C.

      Chris Stewart, no thx.

      Stone and Cowen as top 4 is asking for McDavid (not complaining). Ceci pretty much solidified his top 3 D slot.

      • FistsofNeil25

        I doubt Stastny comes here either but all I was doing was trying to put the most competitive roster on the ice within Ottawa’s budget. I know Cowen-Stone could be trouble but there’s not much else we can do within our internal cap.

        I think Ceci will be a #2 defenseman some day but I just want to shelter the kid for at least another year.

        • Tooks

          Fair enough!

    • Rafi Bomb

      If we are trading with Phoenix, we should at least get one of Hanzal, Domi or Samuelsson in return.

      Also why is Condra in your lineup? That guy sucks and should be either moved this off season or waived in training camp.

      • Doc

        No he doesn’t, and he’ll be in the line up. I can assure you that.

        • Rafi Bomb

          Condra is hot garbage and a complete waste of a roster spot. He is lucky he didn’t get waived this year. He fills no role on the team that can’t easily be replaced by one of our NHL ready prospects. The only thing he brings to the table is his penalty killing ability and he is even mediocre at that.

          • Doc

            Sorry but I can’t take you seriously after this post.

            You should do a bit more research instead of only looking at the score sheet.

          • s3nsfan75

            Ok coach.

      • FistsofNeil25

        Hanzal, Domi and Samuelsson would all be nice pick-ups as well. The player I wanted to target the most was Boedker because he’s a young, proven top-six left winger with unreal speed. He had a break-out year this season and looks like he’s going to be a pretty good player. We’re weak on the left wing so I though he would be a good fit. Don’t think we could get Samuelsson, Hanzal or Domi on top of Boedker in a trade.

        Also, Condra is pretty much the ideal 4th line player. Asking him to be any more than that is a mistake though.

        • Rafi Bomb

          Does Boedker have any grit to his game? Skill and speed are good but we need skilled player with grit if we want to compete for a cup.

          I also have a hard time valuing Boedker higher than Hanzal or Domi.

          Condra is barely an NHL player. He is no where close to being an ideal 4th liner.

          • FistsofNeil25

            You need a little bit of everything in your roster. Speed, Skill, grit. I don’t know about you but I sure as hell don’t think we were a very fast team this year.

            Speed kills, especially in the playoffs. Watch Chicago and see how fast they are as a team. Montreal, NYR. These teams can skate.

            I don’t know how gritty Boedker is as I haven’t watched enough of Phoenix to know.

    • Sandy

      But you’re 170K over the budget!!!

  • Zelle

    France made it to the QF to the surprise of many I’m sure. They take on the undefeated Russia first, should be an interesting game, too bad I’m at work. I hope DaCosta comes up big.

    • Sandy

      I’m home most of the day tomorrow.. What do you think I will be doing?

      • Zelle

        Giving us updates on Turris and DaCosta I hope! haha

        • s3nsfan75

          realizing tooks is right in his professional assessment, over television, I might add, and starting a campaign to get Turris the Hell out of here?

          • Zelle

            No he’d want to keep Turris over there and get Kadri or Hodgeson as our first line center instead.

          • s3nsfan75

            Zelle, don’t get him started and encourage him, just don’t ok lol

          • Zelle

            Sorry lol I’ll be good.

      • peetypuck

        Practicing your slapshot ???

  • Richard

    I don’t really see this being a big issue if Spezza is allowed to talk to the teams ahead of time. If Spezza’s only interested in signing with a handful of teams, maybe we could work out a 3way deal to get the pieces we’re really looking for.

  • Tooks

    WHC 2014 Turris watch.
    I know alot of you dont like this but I’m just following him and seieng hwo he does at this event.

    Lets take a look at his last 2 games, VS SWE & NOR.

    VS SWEDEN
    Well, what can I say, the stat line and watching him play vs Sweden. his first real stiff test and he did not do well. -2 with 1 shot while playing a team high 19:03. Luckily the emergence of Ward, Hodgson, Ellis has carried this team. Turris has done 1 thing pretty well and thats win face offs.

    VS NORWAY
    Finally, the ice times are more balanced as Turris plays 18:37 and 2nd on the team in FW. Still only manages 2 shots and 0pts. The others benefitting of Turris’ ice time were MacKinnon, Schenn & Huberdeau who all played over 17:30, with MacKinnon at 18:38 to top the FW group. And Schenn pretty much took the most important face offs that game going 13 & 6 for a whopping 69%!

    Ward gets 2 to save the day! lol, while only playing 12 min.

    Thoughts on how Turris played those games.

    • Aaron 2.0

      Didn’t watch the games, because it’s the WHC, and I don’t care about it. But, every player struggles sometimes. I don’t understand these continued assessments based on such small samples. The teams here, for the most part, are not better (and most often worse) than what we see in the NHL. What is it exactly that you think we can learn about Turris from this tournament? Don’t get me wrong, I hope he does well. But, really, what does it matter?

      • Tooks

        We dont, thats the point, he’s played most of his time in Ottawa as 2C. There is a really good chance that Spezza wont return, leaving the 1C open. Turris has played some 1C a bit when Spezza was injured and did as well as he could but it was a struggle. I’m just using this tourney to see If he can shoulder the load as Ottawa’s 1C. I mean if he can do it vs the Worlds, he should be alright for Ottawa. But he is struggling a bit.

        I just dont know if he’s rdy to be 1C in the NHL.

        • The Apostle

          I think he’s ready for a 1C role but are the Ottawa fans ready for him to be the 1C?

          By this I mean if we are expecting him to be the sort of 1C that puts up 80-90 points we are likely to be disappointed. But if the fanbase thinks about it for a while, and view him as a Bergeron type 1C with 50-70 points whillst being extremely responsible defensively and that would actually better suit the type of team we are likely to ice next year.

          I’m OK with a more rounded team that wins than a team with one great scoring line and nothing else. I would still like a decent centre as part of the Spezza (or other trade return) but it doesn’t have to be Ryan Getzlaf for example, it could be Bonino or Cogliano. the same way it doesn’t have to be David Backes it could be Berglund.

          Where Turris becomes a non viable 1C is if our 2C and 3Cs are shitting the bed and not adding secondary scoring.

          • Senatollah

            So you are saying…
            Do fans like exciting high scoring games that may or may not lead to free pizza slices

            or

            Very close, low scoring, nail biting, edge of your seat games that far to often get decided by a bad bounce or a referee cock-up or worse, shootout?

          • The Apostle

            I see it as Spezza suits us better if we were the sort of team that is likely to win a whole bunch of games 5-1 or 6-2 but that Turris suits us better if we are the sort of team that is more likely to win games 3-1 or 4-2.

            I know which team i think we are more likely to be next year.

            My point is that some people choose to judge their 1C centre only on the points they produce whereas i think it’s more sensible to judge your 1C centre on how much do they contribute to the victory.

            Of course some people like to focus solely on the stat that allows them to play the role of shit disturber.

            I loved Spezza as a player, I wish we could keep him and be the sort of regular season team that we were from 2004-2008, but we aren’t that team anymore.

        • Jakester

          He’s been doing it for 2 years Bozo, watch the Sens instead of theLaughs!

        • peetypuck

          I know eh! When Spezza missed the whole year he struggled all the way to the 2nd round of the playoffs. Then Spezza came back and really showed him.

    • SensChirp

      Go play outside. It’s a nice day.

      • boom

        Best 7 word rebuttal ever!!!

    • RUSH RLZ

      You’re too much. I have this theory that if ever a time occurs, where even a dummy like you can’t find something asinine to shit on about the Sens players, that you will disappear forever, in a cloud of funny smelling smoke.

    • runningbear1974

      I think that Ward guy is a guy the sens should try and get… Big body plays hard…

    • Deadly

      To have some fan,with an obvious bias and agenda critique any players contribution through a televised presentation means absolutely nothing. Now when you add to it that is anything Sens related we know what to expect from you. The bottom line is that you are a fan..who’s fan..we are not sure.

      • Jakester

        Well said! The Dufus knows diddly!

    • Doc

      Hook, line and sinker. Once again.

    • Sandy

      Turris is being used as the shutdown centre on the team. I think Tippett is more worried about him checking the opponent’s best line.. and if he scores.. it’s a bonus.. Tippett has actually been praising the play of Turris.. but I guess he’s not the expert you are.
      I thought he has been playing pretty well. I’ve watched most of the games. He plays 5 on 5.. PK & PP. Something that will benefit him going into the #1 centre position in Ottawa next season.

  • esk

    so rumours say spezza asked for a trade during and after the season…he might of been frustrated that management didn’t get a winger for him…the whole spezza being angry with the coach over improving his defensive play doesn’t really make sense to me. He has heard that stuff his entire career and they probably had those talks when he was named captain….you maximize your value when you have a capable winger for spezza to play with….not greening. He must of been frustrated after he didnt click with bobby. This makes a whole lot more sense…..if so sens can sign a winger and keep spezza (3-5yrs)…a possible scenario as well. Dorion mentioned that they want to sign hemsky….but he wont sign if spezza doesnt so im guessing they’re leaning towards keeping spezza (they want to win the cup supposedly in the nextt 2 yrs)….think the challenge they’re having is working around the budget

    • runningbear1974

      I disagree… Spezza at the beginning of the year, for the first 10 games or so, would continue skating offensively after having passed the puck to the other team… After about 10 games he stopped doing this… So, after he passed the puck to the other team, he stopped and started changing directions… I noticed this change in behaviour… My question is why did this change at the beginning of this year? And my answer is because the coach started demanding that he do it… Started yelling at him… Started making him feel bad so that he would do it… I sympathize with the coach… Imagine your player keeps skating out of position while the other team is attacking? I believe the coach told he 3 years ago, but Greening did his defense for him… Then the coach told him 2 years ago, but then he got injured… And then the coach asked him again this year, and then started yelling at him…
      Early in the season, Karlsson did the same thing, passed the puck to other team but kept skating offensively… I looked over to my buddy and said “just following Spezza’s leadership”…

      • esk

        loool maybe. spezza put up 80+ pts the year before his injury and actually played defense though?

        • runningbear1974

          Greening did his defense…

          • FistsofNeil25

            The only thing Greening did was ride Spezza’s coattails into the NHL. He can personally thank Spezza for that stupid contract we just signed him to.

            No wonder Spezza’s back is messed up, it’s sore from carrying Greening on his shoulders for the first two years of his career.

          • runningbear1974

            You exaggerate… He only carried him for 1 year… That’s the problem with Spezza, he’s too busy carrying people around on his shoulders…

          • bluebuyyoo

            …and that’s a quality that we should shit all over and trade away ASAP. Sheesh! Make up yer mind!

          • FistsofNeil25

            It’s too bad he’s had to carry around plugs like Greening, Butler, Conacher etc instead of the organization finding quality players for him to play with.

          • esk

            that is exactly my point…lol when he does this it hurts his value ..he cant command top dollar with 3rd line players that cant finish

          • peetypuck

            We can’t afford 1st line wingers for him. Just ask Uncle Eugene.

          • esk

            trading spezza is a step back…this might force eugene’s hand to spend or goodwill/respect lost

          • peetypuck

            Not until he gets his casino.

          • whammer44

            beauty!

          • sprucesens

            lol, well said

          • Jakester

            Think EK65′s back is sore from carrying Cowen this year too!

          • esk

            haha nah i remember spezza backchecking and actually playing defense

          • peetypuck

            I remember he once blocked a shot…several years ago.

          • esk

            lmao

          • Jakester

            Haha

          • peetypuck

            It’s true !!! lol

    • peetypuck

      I wouldn’t be surprised if Spezza’s agent is advising him to move on to get more money. He might have a team picked out already. Florida? Dave Tallon is under pressure from the owner to make the playoffs this year. He might be willing to sign him for $7 million a year for 6-7 years if his job is on the line. Not much pressure and low taxes plus his wife would probably love the year round warm weather for 6 or 7 years.

      • runningbear1974

        that’s my favourite trade… to Florida for 1st overall and that defenseman from Ottawa…

        • peetypuck

          Tallon will probably trade his 1st pick for Spezza but forget about getting Gudbranson.

          • runningbear1974

            they can have Cowen…

          • peetypuck

            That’s not going to do it. Tallon is keeping Gudbranson.

          • Jakester

            Spezza and Cowen for Campbell and first overall.

          • peetypuck

            Tallon needs his team to make the playoffs now. He won’t likely want to move his better players. He probably only offers picks and prospects. He has lots of cap room like the Sens so he can take on a big contract or two. The owner says he is willing to spend for a playoff team. His biggest need is drawing fans.

        • FistsofNeil25

          You’ve been shitting on Spezza for months yet think he can return us Gudbranson and the 1st overall. That’s interesting.

          • runningbear1974

            Spezza will have a career year this year… He’s got something to prove… He didn’t spend the summer recovering from injury… Some team is going to be very happy to have him next year…

          • Sandy

            I have the same feeling. If he goes to a contending team with good decent wingers he will have a very good season.
            He shouldn’t be mad at McLean because it didn’t work out with Ryan. You can’t force chemistry between players.. it’s just there..

          • Jakester

            No, the first overall and Campbell for Spezza and something else(maybe even our first in 2015). Take the sure thing first overall this year.

          • peetypuck

            How many years left on Campbell’s contract?

          • Jakester

            2-3 years probably, would be one helluva 1-2 punch with EK on the pp.

    • Sandy

      IMO — the big issue with Spezza is what he will want for his next contract. If he wants big money and long term (with his injury history) that may not sit well with the Sens. And that will limit what they can do in way or Ryan or McArthur going forward.
      It’s the budget thing again.

      • esk

        Well ya if they try low ball him….He wants a fair contract…but playing with 3rd line players will not help him get there especially as a UFA. Bobby Ryan trade was for spezza. It didnt work out. He asks for a trade during the season cause management/coach werent doing jackshit…..maybe the fallout with the coach was not letting him play with bobby? not giving him time to develop chemistry…if he has solid wingers..and gets 80+ points…his thinking might be he can command top dollar as a UFA. Why else would a recently named captain ask for a trade….has to be about the money

  • sprucesens

    I joined in the capgeek armchair thing, and finished it off properly from last time. Trades are: spezza, PW, 2nd to Nashville for Josi, Forsberg, 3rd. Condra and Greening to EDM for our 3rd back. Cowen, Prince, and the 3rd for Bogosian. Can add a goalie prospect or any of michalek, or hemsky’s rights, or even gryba’s. Then sign UFA cammalleri and keep SDC and hoffy up full time. Stay under the budget of 56 mill, and ice a very competitive young team. looks something like this: http://capgeek.com/armchair-gm/roster/17010

    • sprucesens

      probably need something better for bogo. I don’t want to add puempel, and no to lazar. Maybe both 3rd rounders included for bogo. But I think they’d prefer one of our goalie prospects, with trouble in nets the past few years.

      • peetypuck

        With all the coaching and GM changes this spring there are going to be a few teams that are more amenable to making trades…Vancouver, Calgary, Edmonton, Nashville, Washington, Pittsburgh and Florida, St. Louis, Anaheim and San Jose.

        • sprucesens

          yeah, I traded mostly with Nashville, then filled in some bottom 6 in Edmonton. Not sure the rest of the teams you listed have much in the way of top D we could try to acquire, realistically. Florida, st. Louis and Anaheim have the young top D we would want, but it might be tough to get for what we would have left to offer, from my scenario.

    • Jakester

      Like everything except Cammaleri. He blows and is a jerk in the locker room. A me me me guy! Rather put Bobby Ryan on left wing( he likes playing off wing) and signing Hemsky.

      • sprucesens

        yeah, i just assumed our “first line” all walked, especially with our budget talk. I’ve always like cammalleri, but you can put in any of the top UFA’s for the 2nd line winger. And we have nearly unlimited $$ in that scenario to sign one. Even at 8 mill we are just barely over our self imposed cap, not taking into consideration actual dollars, as i didn’t look into salary payroll for each player.

  • aegiszx

    Really dont get why people continue to shit on Greening – Smith – Neil/Condra. These guys I hope stay for the next 5-7 years. They hustle HARD EVERY shift, they are a force on our PK, they are a big reason why No.65 is ONLY -30 and not -60 year in and year out… You want to break a players confidence and put them in situations where they have no experience? Yeah, let’s have Stone, Pageau, and SDC anchor our PK for the upcoming season, then we’ll be sorry!

    • Sandy

      Zack Smith is liked by the coaches and the management.. so there is no chance he goes anywhere. Neil is the heart & soul of the Sens. He is not a scorer.. never pretended to be. Greening.. not sure what happened to him last season… is he as bad as he showed or was it an off year like many other players had. Condra is another defensive forward.. he’s not on the team to score..
      But I agree all 4 of them work hard.. they give 100% every game..

      • aegiszx

        Which is I think what some fans dont get… They think all 23 players are there to score… You want a high-flying team, just look at the Oilers, Leafs, and Caps… all high powered but little to NO D… when push comes to shove, they crumble like a cookie…

        • sprucesens

          that’s a good argument in general, but only 1 of those 4 was even remotely good in his own end this year, and that was smith. Previously condra was ok, but not great. To sandy, I’m really leaning towards greening being a fringe NHL’r and maybe fit for 4th line duties on a middling club. He has had much more time spent being fairly poor, than he has had good times. I think the 17 goal year was his peak, and he isn’t exactly young and improving.

    • aegiszx

      Dont get me wrong… I enjoy watching Erik & Bobby do what they do on the ice, but how many times this season have I just watched the game thinking “FFS, can either of you guys hustle back?! You call that skating?!”

      At least Smith is hustlin’ back like his job depends on it! Difference between stars and non-stars I guess!

      • Don Ciccio

        The problem is the way Maclean uses them……There is no way that anyone of those guys should be playing 15+ minutes a game or in Neil’s case on the pp or last minute of a game.

        • peetypuck

          Think of all the best memories of Sens players over the last 10 years. Chris Neil mostly comes to mind for me.

          • Don Ciccio

            Doesn’t change the fact that he should never be playing on the pp or last minute of a game. If Maclean actually used him as a 4th liner then, Chris Neil will be effective……And by 4th line I mean 8 minutes tops.

          • Jakester

            Neil doesn’t have much left, love the guy but he can’t move out there much anymore!

          • peetypuck

            I hope Melnyk offers him a job with the Sens when he hangs his skates up. You couldn’t get a more loyal team guy. I’m going to miss him more than any other Sen not being out on the ice anymore.

          • peetypuck

            He’s about their only player that willingly stands in front of the net on the PP.

      • Jakester

        If you enjoy watching 15-22-14 and 25 then go watch garage league at your local rink cuz it’s about the same level.

        • s3nsfan75

          Yeah cause you’re putting on the nhl jersey 82 games a night. Wow, I agree, their fourth liners but your comment, is completely over the top.

    • whammer44

      Hustle is great but if you want to keep them around for penalty killing the Sens were 22nd in the league by percentage and gave up the second most goals 1 less than the Panthers. Not exactly an argument to keep the current PK.

      And on your other post about EK not hustling back. Thats just not accurate.

      • s3nsfan75

        Yes, cause the goalies had excellent stats this year and the defence was the best in the league, pretty sure those guys don’t play ALL PK, there is a reason the coaching staff plays these guys and management keeps signing them, like it or not, fine your prerogative, but ill trust management & coaching to know what they’re doing.

        • whammer44

          You can point the finger where ever. My point is you can’t really make an argument to keep certain players around because they excel at specific skill if the stats don’t back it up.

          • s3nsfan75

            My point is, you can’t make arguments without providing all the information, those guys don’t play all pk, and other players beisdes them were at fault as well this year for the poor pk performance and the amount of goals allowed.

          • whammer44

            Yep I agree.
            All players have roles on the team. The better players play in all situations. Guys like Condra and Greening should be the best defensive players on the team as they offer nothing else…imo they are fringe NHLer’s and if we replaced them tomorrow with lets say Grant and Dziurzynski do you think the Sens would be any worse? I don’t think so. I’m pretty sure these guys would hustle as hard as Greening and Condra and our PK would be just as effective!

          • Jakester

            At least Dziurzinski plays the body unlike Condra the No Hitter!

      • Sandy

        Maybe that’s because they took way too many penalties. More chances for the other team to score if you are taking over 6 or 7 penalties a game.

    • sprucesens

      yikes. everyone is entitled to their opinion but, wow, saying that greening, smith and neil/condra brought erik karlsson’s numbers up?? now that’s a hell of a stretch. I think yost has proven your theory wrong countless times, showing how that line is one of the worst in the NHL let alone on our team, last year. Smith was the only one capable of getting things done properly. But to each his own I guess

    • senskarlsson57

      Congratulations! You successfully made me log in just to give your comment a thumbs-down!

      Excuse me, but Greening and Neil inflating Karlsson’s numbers? Moronic.

      • esk

        loool

      • Jakester

        I agree with you! 14-22-25would be the guys I would discard of this summer. Sens have better options, they r dragging us down!

  • Sandy
    • Jordan

      Totally agree. Waaayy to many red flags.

    • ProfessorPower

      I think Stewart would be a good fit in Ottawa, a guy with a lot of tools. Maclean may be able to work wonders with him. Hes still relatively young.

  • peetypuck

    I just read that Miroslav Satan has retired from professional hockey.
    Funny thing; Of all the NHL teams that he played for Satan never played for the Devils.
    (Spector’s Hockey)

    • s3nsfan75

      He only played for 5, why is it surprising he never played for the devils?

      • peetypuck

        Zing, right over your head…but Satan did help the evil Penguins win their Stanley Cup.

        • s3nsfan75

          Satan, never played for the devils’ good one lol

          • peetypuck

            I can’t take credit. I got this from Spector’s Hockey news section.

  • Sandy

    Cheering for Guelph tonight.. If London loses then the Oil Kings don’t have to play a tie breaker to get to the next round and another date with Val D’Or..

    • Deadly

      Looking good so far. Hoping for a scouting report on Harpur from the resident critic.

      • Sandy

        Pierre Dorion said yesterday he was a good skating defenseman for his size.. That’s one plus right there.

      • Jakester

        Not much not to like about this kid. Let’s let him grow into his body. One thing he has on Cowen is that he can actually skate.

        • peetypuck

          Cowen’s still learning to tie his laces.

        • Tooks

          Yeah saw it in the Val D’Or & London game especially with Richards or Domi screaming down his side, Harpur would just skate with em and keep em to the outside, smart. Cowen would go for the hit and miss obviously or get burned cuz he doesnt know how to cut down the angle.

    • Zelle

      Guelph looks really good. Knights are having a difficult time setting up any scoring chances.

    • aegiszx

      Always cheering for Guelph (my hometown team)! Its been awhile since weve had a team this good. Heck, when Doughty was here, our team wasnt even that good, we were a middle of the pack team haha.

      • peetypuck

        They look like they’re the team to beat. Unless something drastic happens they should be the 2014 Memorial Cup champions.

      • Tooks

        Is Tyler Bertuzzi the son of Todd Bertuzzi? They dont look anything alike, lol. Tyler is a hitting machine tho and scores clutch goals, Rasmachuk is Bolland’esk and then you have Rychel, should have been our pick :(

  • aegiszx

    The UC tonight is making me one bitter husband haha. That Leddy backhand just sent chills down my spine. And to think… I cant believe we took Cowen over Leddy…

    Man, the atmosphere here is crazy, can barely hear myself speak but its still wont top last year vs the Habs, that was the most electrifying experience I’ve ever been a part of! Here’s to hoping the Hawks/Rangers meet in the SCF (because I realllllly want to experience MSG in playoff mode)!

    • aegiszx

      On a side note, both teams look fast tonight. Which I just remembered watching the Habs/Hawks game in the Bell Centre in April and all the Habs fans were so surprised that PK and co. were being outskated for 60 minutes… funny enough, that day was the 2nd day of the Hawks back-to-back, and they were reallllly actually super slow/tired lol! I would love for Hawks/Habs finals just to show those whiny Habs team what a playoff mode Hawks team looks like!

    • peetypuck

      The Kings are really killing the Hawks in the face-off circle.

  • Andrews theory

    I think Spezza requesting out of town has absolutely nothing to do with the coach- if that was the case he had ample opportunity with Clouston etc. reality is, he’s likely fed up with the Mickey Mouse direction the organization has started down the past few years and I’m quite confident that he sided with Alfie

    Brace yourselves kids, if Melnyk sticks around, Karlsson will be the next one to request a ticket out of eugeland

    • Sandy

      It could be that Spezza just wants to win a Cup.. what NHL player doesn’t. And he realizes that’s not happening in Ottawa in the next 5 yrs or so.

      Let’s hope Ryan & McArthur can get signed.. or this team is in real real trouble.

      • Jakester

        Spezza wants to win a cup well he better learn how to back check! Winning a cup takes EFFORT! Ask Toews! Spezza would be better off in a no pressure place collecting meaningless points till the end of time! Not sure his driving force is a CUP!

        • Tooks

          Ask Kane or Malkin, pretty sure they dont back check…

    • SensFanInMTL

      At the point, that is when every single Sens fan unites and we get this guy outta here. I’m being serious at the very most too. You think we deserve to witness Alfie, Spezz and potentially Erik to fuck off outta town because of all this shit?

    • Jakester

      It’s MaCLean and Murray who want Spezza gone cuz his game stinks. Hell he’s minus 26 and TUrris is plus 22 and people on here wonder who our number one f-ing center is! For F sakes wake up!

    • Dirtysweetness

      Ottawa has our own version of Harold Ballard. lol

  • Sandy

    Payback coming to Val D’Or on Friday. That’s the semi-final game with Edmonton. The winner plays Guelph for the Memorial Cup..

    • Jakester

      No problem unless Bibeau stones them again!

      • Tooks

        No kidding, thats how they play tho, 40-50 shots against per game, they have an attacking gameplan and stick to it, leaving Bibeau to make incredible saves. Sure they can get outplayed 90% of the game but when the other team makes a mistake, they capitalize.

    • sprucesens

      hmm, guelph has 5,6,7 goals in the tourney, with the lowest against the oil kings. I think the oil kings have a good chance to play in the final, as they definitely deserved to win the game against valdor. One blown icing call lead to the tieing goal. Not to mention outplaying them 90% of the game. Should be good. too bad all the games are in london. I’d love to watch the kings at home.

  • SensFanInMTL

    Michalek & Hemsky have to be willing to accept where they fit in a team’s budget? In a capitalistic world, if they don’t see fit of what they can fully make, they’ll just go elsewhere. Fuckin idiot cheapskate owner. This team in time is gonna crash and burn while Melnyk high tails it. Bettman will relocate the Sens to Las Vegas as the “Las Vegas Millionaires” with a stack of U.S. bills as their emblem on their jerseys and we’ll be out of a franchise. All because of you, Melnyk. I refuse to cheer for any team but the Sens.

    On the Spezza front: Sign him to a one year extension, making him not so much of a rental. Teams will be able to deal with his services for 2 years and if he’s still not committed, then that’s his new team’s problem. Pas si compliquer que ca.

    Colorado & Anaheim are the teams I am hoping he is interested in going to. If Colorado, O’Reilly & 2014′s 1st. If Anaheim, Cogliano, 1st in 2014 (ours from the Ryan trade) and Noesen. That’s right. I want Noesen back. Plus our 1st. It’s like we never even traded for Ryan and having Ryan. Then we take Josh Ho-Sang from Windsor. Qui est avec moi? QUI EST AVEC MOI????!!!!

    • sprucesens

      interesting idea in the 1 year contract to up spezza’s value. i wonder if he is open to that, and if murray is willing to think of that and do it. it would have to have no NTC’s or anything though. That could up his value a lot and maybe add some security for the team trading for him. If he doesn’t pan out this year, they can trade him next year. Not a bad idea for all parties if you ask me. Then, like you say, spezza doesn’t have to be stuck somewhere long term if he doesn’t like it, but the team that traded him still gets value and 2 years of service, and the ability to trade him from the position we are currently in.

  • FistsofNeil25

    Every couple years, a franchise caliber player or two headline a draft class. There isn’t a prospect in every draft projected to be an elite level player. For every Stamkos draft, there’s a Yakupov draft. For every Tavares draft, there’s a Nugent-Hopkins draft. For every Ekblad draft, there’s a McDavid draft.

    If Bryan Murray and Eugene Melnyk plan to assemble some rag-tag, bargain bin, budget-ass team next year then you know what, all I can do is keep my fingers crossed and hope that we suck enough to put ourselves in a position to draft Connor McDavid or Jack Eichel. I hate to be that guy but it’s true.

    I know it’s impossible to guarantee finishing with the number one pick, but McDavid or Eichel are the type of players that can bring good fortune to a franchise, just like MacKinnon, Tavares, Stamkos.

    Sens fans need something to feel good about, and landing a player of their caliber can completely change the destiny of our franchise. Elite, franchise players put asses in the seats, sell merchandise, gain recognition to the team, and most importantly give us the talent we need to contend for the Stanley Cup.

    The great teams in the league have franchise players at the most important positions. We have our franchise defenseman Erik Karlsson. We can hope Lehner becomes our franchise goaltender. With Alfie and now Spezza walking out the door, we need to find a franchise caliber forward to build a contender around.

    Tanking in 2014/2015 may be the best thing for our franchise going forward.

    • SensFanInMTL

      Christ alive, already?

      • FistsofNeil25

        haha … i know i know

    • Sandy

      What is the penalty for a team not spending to the cap floor? If Spezza is gone and no Michalek & Hemsky.. how do they spend to the cap floor if no UFAs come to Ottawa?
      Getting a first overall that will be a young superstar would be good for the ELC years. That’s when those young superstars want 6+M — and that’s when he won’t fit under the f’in budget.

      • FistsofNeil25

        Getting a superstar like McDavid would eliminate the need for a budget. The Senators would be a bigger money maker than they are now.

      • peetypuck

        Sandy, that’s a really good question. I never contemplated that a team could start the season under the cap floor.

    • peetypuck

      Buffalo and Calgary would probably be our main competition for the last three places next year.

      • FistsofNeil25

        Knowing Burkie he’s probably going to force his GM’s hand this summer to improve the team instead of doing a proper rebuild, just like his stay in Toronto.

        I’m sure Timmy Murray is licking his chops to land McDavid or Eichel.

        • peetypuck

          If we tanked next year Bobby Ryan would probably refuse to sign here so we would likely have to trade him too. If we could get Garth Snow to bite we might be able to get his 2015-16-17 1st round draft picks. Just like money in the bank.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Sign Bobby this summer – no problem there.

          • Sandy

            Why would Ryan want to sign here going forward if Melnyk won’t or can’t loosen the purse strings to improve the team.
            These guys want to win… not stay in mediocrity..

          • FistsofNeil25

            Well yeah I agree with that. Ryan can say he wants to sign here all he wants but until pen hits paper and the ink is dry on his contract extension all we can do is guess. Will he stay or will he go?

          • peetypuck

            I wouldn’t mind the team losing for another year or two if we could draft a franchise player. That would be well worth waiting a little longer if we could add McDavid along with our other young studs.

    • Tooks

      Wont happen tho, I think our guys have enough skill to finish out of the bottom 5 unfortunately but still way out of reach of the playoffs. Like 10th in the East or 22nd-23rd overall in the NHL. Right where you dont want to be…

  • Jakester

    How about Spezza and Andy for Schwartz, Elliott, and their first rounder. There Anderson and Elliott revisited! Haha that may be a way to get Schwartz.

    • FistsofNeil25

      Probably couldn’t get Schwartz for both Spezza and Andy, let alone Elliot and their 1st rounder.

      • Jakester

        How bout we throw in free coffee for life!

      • FBP

        What does STL have left for 1st rounders after the Miller/Ott deal?

        • FistsofNeil25

          It was their 2015 1st round pick that was traded in that deal. They still have their 1st for this years draft.

    • Sandy

      No to Elliott. Behind that St Louis defense he is pretty steady. Behind the Sens leaky defense.. not so much..

  • Sandy

    Quite a turnaround in the LA-Chi series. I expected a 2-0 series lead for the Hawks.. The 3rd period is all LA — 4 goals in the 3rd period..

    • peetypuck

      Five goals.

      • Sandy

        My bad.. was looking at the TSN scores.. They are always behind..

        • peetypuck

          That’s where I looked too. You must have just missed it. They’re always 2 minutes behind.

  • WaitingSince92

    They (Andy Strickland) are (is) saying that STL is very interested in Spezza, but Tarasenko and Schwartz are likely untouchable. They’re probably willing to part with their lesser assets (Rattie, Jaskin…) but their prospects take a steep plunge after that, talent-wise.

    Knowing Murray and they style he likes, I’m thinking he targets Schwartz by starting a bidding war at the draft.

    • Tooks

      Followed by a quick hang up by the Blues if Schwartz is even mentioned.

      • boom

        Exactly. And that’s why this trade will be hard to make. The players we would want in return will not be made available (Schwartz is way too valuable), and the players being offered are more of the same type of players we already have.

      • Andrews theory

        I for one think Bouwmeester dramatically improves this roster. The man chews up minutes and is solid on both sides of the puck. If we’d had him this past season, we’d likely be having some very different conversations this off season.
        needs to be some additional ingredients but i like him as a veteran peice coming back

        • WaitingSince92

          He would be good to play with Karlsson too. Doesn’t have any big deficiencies and is a fantastic skater.

        • runningbear1974

          if we could get Bouwmeester, that alone would solve a lot of our problems…

      • FistsofNeil25

        haha and Bouwmeester, Jackman and Leopold all have NTC’s. They won’t be waiving that to come to Ottawa, which is a good thing because we don’t want any of them.

        I really think Murray will be targeting youth in the Spezza trade. St Louis doesn’t have the pieces to get it done.

        • Tooks

          I agree the Blues are not an idea trading partner. Buts thats about what you’ll get for Spezza, 2 mid level players and a pick.

          I think J-Bo would be awesome here but didnt know he had a NTC…oh well.

          • Dirk-Diggler

            Then just don’t trade him and see what a healthy and more experienced Spezza brings to the Sens next year!

          • Tooks

            I would be all for that but is Spezza?

          • Dirk-Diggler

            I think Spezza has a chip on his shoulder and wants to show exactly what he can do!

          • WaitingSince92

            Might as well stand for “No To the Capital”

          • Sandy

            If that is all they are getting.. ie 2nd mid level players and a pick.. keep Spezza.. until the trade deadline..

      • Doc

        I wouldn’t want any of those guys.

    • EK65

      Ottawa wanted Schwartz in the 2010 draft. As soon as he went off the board, Murray traded away the 16th pick for Rundblad…. And STL picked Tarasenko..

      Kinda funny how that worked out. Both Schwartz and Tarasenko are solid blue chippers and would be a welcome addition to this team.

  • Aaron 2.0

    If anyone is interested, Yost has some analysis to support his claim that going after Stewart would be a huge waste of time, if not a big mistake. I’m convinced. Check it out, if you’re interested. The most fascinating graph, for me, shows possession numbers for Stewart with his most common line-mates. Almost every player was substantially better at driving possession away from him. Was surprised at how obvious that trend was.

    • Doc

      His WOWY stats are horrible.

      Never was a fan of that rumour, and I hope to god we don’t go get him this off-season.

      • Tooks

        Yep dont know what Sens fans see in Stewart…If Buffalo doesnt even want him, thats telling you something…lol

        • FistsofNeil25

          Sens fans don’t see anything in Stewart. It’s just an idea that has been planted in our heads by constant rumors. I think most of us actually just expect it to happen.

          The only plus side to adding Stewart for next season is that it’s a contract year for him, which means he will probably decide to show up to ensure he gets paid.

          I’ll be disappointed if we have to give up a guy like Wiercioch, Puempel or Hoffman to get him though.

          • Tooks

            Send Prince and Cowen to Buffalo for Ennis. They can have the Twin Towers in Myers and Cowen…lol

          • FistsofNeil25

            No interest in any more small forwards. We have enough of those.

    • SensChirp

      Definitely an interesting article.

      With Stewart, they are looking for a particular “type” of player, I think. And are willing to overlook some of those potential red flags in his advanced stats. Big guy, skates well, can hit and score. And is affordable.

      • Doc

        But his underlying numbers are horrible. It’s not the type of player I have a problem with, it’s THE player.

        He’s known to be inconsistent and lazy, and he usually brings his linemates down (as proven by his WOWY). Blues fan were ecstatic to see him leave.

        He’s basically Greening with a bit more offensive upside. Meh.

        • Dirtysweetness

          But, would you flip Condra and/or Greening for him?

          • Doc

            Greening yes, as it’s basically a lateral move with a little bit more offense added. Not much else. I wouldn’t give assets for him though, that’s for sure.

            Meh.

          • peetypuck

            Just about everyone wants to see Greening gone. Why would we want to replace him with his clone? Hmmm.

          • Tooks

            No, atleast those guys bring effort, they suck skill wise but work hard. Stewart is inconsistent and doesnt work hard.

    • A-Train

      I guess what the stats gurus may overlook is the potential upside. You have a chance to buy low on a guy who does have some of the qualities you’d like (speed, size and he can pop in a few goals). See what he can do in a contract year then either resign or flip him at the deadline (if the team’s having a bad season).

      Yost’s graphs look pretty, but they fail to capture the basic wisdom of certain moves.

      • Doc

        I usually respect your posts A-Train, but I’m kind of lost on this one.

        What ‘upside’ to you speak of? He’s 26 and will be 27 by the time next season rolls around, so he’s pretty much at his peak or will be soon. His best season was 5 years ago and hasn’t shown any real improvement since then.

        And I disagree with your last statement. Those ‘pretty’ graphs are actually a pretty good indicator of what type of player you are getting and can be used to determine his future potential.

        Not sure where the Stewart love comes from in general, but he’s definitely not the type of player we need. He’s literally Greening with less work ethic, and a bit more offensive upside.

        • Tooks

          And slower, remember, Greening is speed on ice! lol…

        • A-Train

          Well, I’m not necessarily loving the idea of a Chris Stewart trade —
          It’s (probably) a low-risk move for a guy who at the very least seems to be able to put in 15 goals a season. That’s an upgrade on Greening any way you slice it.

          I’m just saying there may be an explanation other than thinking Murray’s lost his mind and no longer understands the game.

          • Doc

            Oh, I didn’t say that was the case. I’m just not sure we would be trading for him for the right reasons.

            I just hope we don’t give much in return if we do trade for him.

          • A-Train

            Not you so much as the statseratti. I’m all for change and new ways of looking at the game, breaking up the old boys club etc.

            But some like Yost take this approach beyond usefulness and into dogmatic territory.

          • Doc

            I see your point, but I’m actually on his side and a big advocate of advance stats.

            In the case of Stewart, he’s right.

            Makes for good discussions though!

  • PraiseAlfie11

    Not that I’ve ever done so, but the Eeyore/freebird calls are appropriate for a few around here now.

    Never realized that everyone with a NTC would have ottawa on their no go list. Never realized that spezza is only worth a 3rd liner and maybe a late round pick either.

    • Zelle

      There has been a lot of doom and gloom here since Eugene’s idiotic statements at his press conference. Lots of things probably need to happen before it gets better:

      1) Ryan signs
      2) MacArthur signs
      3) Return on Spezza is acceptable
      4) Next season isn’t horrible

    • Sandy

      I would assume Ottawa is low on the no go list.
      It’s in Canada
      They let their franchise player walk over about 1.5M dollars.
      Their new captain wants out.
      They are on a budget and therefore not in competition for the Stanley Cup let alone the playoffs in the next couple of years… IF Spezza leaves.

  • FistsofNeil25

    Saw this on HF boards from a Stars fan

    14th overall pick
    Chiasson
    Oleksiak
    Conditional 2015 Pick (2nd if Spezza re-signs, 4th if he doesn’t)
    Gonchar at 35% retained salary

    Thoughts?

    • Senatollah

      14th overall is good if it can be packaged for something better. Chiasson and Oleksiak both RFAs after the season and not much room at the NHL level for either to develop. Especially with Gonchar and this is most likely his last year and he has a difficult no move clause that could handcuff the Sens.

      If the trade happens the D pairings would be:
      Karlsson-Methot
      Gonchar-PW46
      Cowen-Phiilps
      Boro (as the 7th)

      In Bingo top four of: Ceci, Oleksiak, Chiasson, Claessen with the last three all RFAs.

      • FistsofNeil25

        Chiasson is a right-winger not a defenseman. 6’4″ 23 years old. Had 13 goals and 35 points this year.

        • Tooks

          Yeah Chiasson would be an amazing pick up, I think the 2 picks and Chiasson would be fair. or…

          Chiasson
          14th overall pick 2104
          Klingberg or Bystrom

          Done, thank you.

    • EK65

      Barf. 14th pick in a below-average draft, Gonchar in the years of the deal Ottawa REFUSED to give him.

      The prospects are good, but I don’t know about it. I guess I’m closer to on the fence than hating it though.

      • FistsofNeil25

        Same. It’s just one of the better offers I’ve seen from a fan of a different team.

    • Dirtysweetness

      YES!! No Gonchie though.

    • peetypuck

      Imagine Cowen, Oleksiak and Harper on our blue line? All stand about 6’6″ tall.

      • Tooks

        Yeah but only Harpur can skate… So no unless you remove Oleksiak & Gonchar.

        • Dirtysweetness

          From Hockey’s Future:

          Jamie Oleksiak

          Talent Analysis

          Oleksiak is a defenseman that possesses a really nice blend of size, physicality and outstanding puck skills. While much has been said of his size and physical side, what is most impressive about Oleksiak is his superb agility and athleticism. He moves remarkably well for such a big man, skating with long, fluid strides. He also maintains very good balance on his skates as well. As good as Oleksiak was in the first half of the season, he was even better in the second half. An area where his progress was especially noticeable was the effective use of his enormous frame in defending against opposing players. Oleksiak thrived in Northeastern’s tight-checking system where the physical side of his game became more apparent. The one area where Oleksiak will need to continue to improve is his footwork, particularly his turns and pivots.

          He could show a little bit more vigor and truculence in his game given his size. It’s a little bit tough to get a rise out of him most of the time. Potential: #2 defenseman, like Victor Hedman.

          Not sure Tooks where you got that he couldn’t skate?

          • Tooks

            They also said Cowen could skate…Take those with a grain of salt. Thats his Junior report vs Junior players.

            Also if you want to hang onto something I would hang on to “Footwork and pivots”. Oleksiak wont be using his “Long, fluid strides” all that much.

          • Dirk-Diggler

            You’re right as always Tookie… You moonlight as a pro scout right?

          • Tooks

            Did a little bit in Europe ya, why?

          • Doc

            lol…

          • FistsofNeil25

            The same can be said for Harpur if that’s the case.

          • Tooks

            Ya but out of the 3 we are talking about and I watched them all. Harpur is by far the better skater, he can pivot and has good footspeed, yes its slow compared to smaller D’s but for his size he is ahead of Cowen and Oleksiak. But yes I agree, they are similar archtypes. Big hitting D’s with skating issues.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Yeah but you’re comparing Harpur to a bunch of kids in junior, half of which can’t skate worth a damn either.

            Let’s see how he looks in the pro’s before we say anything about his skating ability compared to Cowen or Oleksiak. We’ve heard and read the same about them when they were in junior. Anytime you hear the line “he skates surprisingly well for a big man”, temper your expectations.

          • Tooks

            We are on the same page then, I said to take those reports with a grain of salt. That big D’s will always have skating issues. Harpur is just the better out of the 3, didnt say he skates like Karlsson.

          • WaitingSince92

            Kinda contradictory article. Agile, moves well for a big man, fluid strides, good balance. Then it says he needs to work on his turns and pivots…

            All of these things are part of skating, so looks like he’s both good and bad, although, I don’t see how you can call a guy agile if he needs to work on turning/pivoting…

        • runningbear1974

          hey no way… you said something nice about one of our guys…

          • Tooks

            Ya but I also said Cowen basically sucks!

    • Rafi Bomb

      I wouldn’t take Gonchar back as he is almost done at this point in his career.

      I am on the fence about whether we should pursue a 2014 draft pick or not. This isn’t supposed to be a very good draft so we may be better off looking for either a 2015 pick or another prospect.

      I like the idea of pursuing Oleksiak as we don’t have many d prospect like him. As for Chiasson, would you rather have Chiasson or Nichushkin? Both are good players and we might be able to get either so it would be worthwhile to make that determination of who is the better fit for our team.

      Also I would consider targeting Antoine Roussell as well. I am not sure whether Dallas would be willing to move him, but we are in need of a agitator and he fits the mould.

  • Mitchell

    Defensive Problems

    Cowen-Karlsson
    Methot-Ceci
    Weircoich-Gryba

    Borowickei (sp?)
    Philips

    And we want to get a D in the deal? In any case D’s would have to go. I think we are stock for D for years to come now and upgrades are all positive but we are possibly losing a whole line.

    Michalek-Spezza-Hemsky

    We might need to learn more offensively in trade scenarios.

    • FistsofNeil25

      We need help all over the place! You’re right though, as much as a lot of us want to see an upgrade on the blueline, our forward group is a complete mess and finding forward help is likely where Murray will focus his offseason efforts.

    • WaitingSince92

      The one problem with having all those D is that only Karlsson is elite. Methot is the only other viable top 4 guy and he’s more of a second pairing D. After those two, we’re COUNTING on D to take huge steps to fill the other two top 4 spots. Betting on even just one of Cowen, Wiercioch and Gryba to be placed in our top 4 didn’t work for us last year. Phillips is 3rd pairing at his very, very best. Ceci is great but a little young for top 4 duties. Borowiecki is fine as a 7th.

      So yeah, we have gaping holes in D and O, with a lot of low-mid level ceiling prospects we’re thinking wishfully about.

  • Mitchell

    Future Captain answer: someone who’s established themselves in Ottawa and is signed to a long term commitment and is a face to this franchise with a great mentor when he spent His time as the clubs captain. A real producer and stands in the spotlight.

    Erik Karlsson. C
    Kyle Turris. A
    Bobby Ryan. A (unless he doesn’t resign)
    Zack Smith. A

    • Doc

      This scenario won’t happen for a few seasons though.

      We still got Neil and Phillips for two more years, and we’re not sure if Ryan will be re-signed yet.

      • Mitchell

        Your right, I’m just thinking in advance

        • Doc

          I agree about Karlsson and Turris though. They are the new ‘core’ of this group.

          • Zelle

            I think Ryan will sign if he is given a chance to be a leader and face of the franchise, which they already setup the latter going by all the advertisement posters on the buses and such.

      • A-Train

        I think all ‘A’s is a good scenario for the team — but it probably comes down to the philosophies of Murray and Maclean. They may not believe in the idea of no ‘C’. It’s also an issue I could see Melnyk wading into.

    • FistsofNeil25

      Roll with three A’s for the next season or so. None of these guys are worthy of wearing the C quite yet. Let’s see who emerges as the real leader.

      They aren’t going to strip Phillips and Neil of their A’s.

      • Mitchell

        I agree with this, but the extra A between Turris, Karlsson, smith

        • FistsofNeil25

          Agree on Turris and Karlsson. I would consider MacArthur, Methot and Ryan before Smith.

          • Mitchell

            I like smith like Neil. And with the A given to him I thought he’d e a good replacement

    • Tooks

      Phillips C (cries)
      Turris A
      Max Keeping? A

      • sprucesens

        this is probably what I see for next year. Not a fan of Phillips at C when he should be behind the bench, but it seems the powers that be don’t feel that way. He has put in his time, and with Phillips as the C, it gives us another year to decide who we pass it off to I guess, to whoever has earned it the most

    • Senatollah

      MacArthur (C)

      Turris (A)
      Karlsson (A) or Phillips (A)

    • WaitingSince92

      I’ve said this before, but I think it most suits our franchise to go with 3 As.

      Surprised to not see MacArthur’s name come up in these posts. He’s all the things you want in a captain and he leads by example, probably more than anyone else on the team.

      He puts the kind of effort/speed into his backcheck that most players reserve for possible breakaways.

      • Tooks

        Because he probably wont be around for long. Ryan, Methot, Zibanejad, Stone, Lehner, CMac… somebody’ not gonna get re-signed…

  • SensChirp

    An update from the Senators this morning. They have signed defenceman Patrick Mullen to a one year/two way contract. Details here

    http://senators.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=719222

    • FistsofNeil25

      No way! Some actual Sens news!

    • Mitchell

      I thought his game worked really well last season with the B-Sens

  • boom
    • FistsofNeil25

      Thanks for the link! Hopefully most of those guys can continue to get better. We certainly have a good group of prospects.

  • Zelle

    I’m so bummed out. Habs v Bruins the threads were full of hate and tears and it was great to read. Now Rangers v Habs they are talking about food…

    Need more Sens news I’m scrapping the bottom of the barrel at this point.

  • Tooks

    Players IMO we could get in return for Spezza from STL.

    FW Paajarvi, 1 year @ 1.2Mil
    FW Berglund, RFA, Est. 3.5Mil
    D Polak, 2 years @ 2.75Mil
    D Edmundson, ELC, 2 years @ 742K
    D Vanelli, ELC SR, 3 years @ 742K
    D Hakanpaa, ELC, 1 year @ 698K

    1st round pick 2014

    • FistsofNeil25

      We can do better than what St Louis has to offer. I bet Spezza ends up somewhere other than St Louis or Anaheim.

      • Tooks

        Maybe but we only know a few teams that are interested. STL, NSH, DAL, maybe ANA, SJ…

        • FistsofNeil25

          STL, NASH, ANA, COL, NYR, FLA, TOR, PHX were the teams rumored to have interest.

          • Tooks

            I dont buy into ANA, TOR or PHX. Even COL, they are stacked at FW, dont need Spezza. FLA well, they can have interest but Spezza won go there. (I think)

          • Dirk-Diggler

            have you seen Toronto’s C depth?

          • Doc

            That’s an oxymoron.

          • Dirk-Diggler

            Tookie is a moron :P

          • Tooks

            Yes I’m a moron, and you think Murray will trade Spezza to TOR….sigh.

          • Sandy

            Trade your #1 centre to your biggest rival for their garbage? No way.. He wants to sign there as a UFA then that’s the risk you take.

        • WaitingSince92

          only a few, huh?

          I’ve counted at LEAST 10 so far. That’s plenty. Probably the most teams we’ve ever had interested in our trade bait.

        • s3nsfan

          those are the ones we know of, doesn’t mean there aren’t more.

    • Sandy

      I would want the Sens to have no part of Paajarvi. He would be better served to go back to Sweden..

  • FistsofNeil25

    Da Costa and France are done. Russia won 3-0 today.

    • Tooks

      Did Ovie play? Checking IIHF now…

      • Zelle

        TSN announced that he would be playing despite his injury. He’s in the boxscore list but no stats and Ovechkin with 0SOGs seems unlikely to me. So either he pulled out early, sat out after a bit, or just wasn’t feeling it today or something.

        • Tooks

          Canada going up against Pekka Rinne, lets hope he has a bad game…

          • SensChirp

            Keep a close eye on Turris for us, K?

          • FistsofNeil25

            Anything less than a double hat-trick is not acceptable!

          • Tooks

            Start with a goal, geez, give the kid a break…

          • Tooks

            Haha I must be a good luck charm, Turris scores from a nice feed from Matt Read.

          • Doc

            So all that complaining finally paid off!

          • Tooks

            Yeah maybe he reads this blog…

          • Tooks

            Thought you’d never ask!

          • Zelle

            Yes Rinne can steal games so I am hoping Canada prepares for a low scoring game and plays tight defensively. If line 1 and 2 can shut down their 1 and 2 without worrying about goals then Canada can probably score from their bottom lines to win the game.

          • Tooks

            1-0 FIN, PP goal. Turris couldnt stop it. I mean Scrivens…

          • Sandy

            Scrivens for Canada… Rinne for Finland… (facepalm)…

          • Tooks

            Yeah dont know which Canadian Goalie was available at the time.

        • Tooks

          He played but not 100% and according to Ovie, he didnt take any pain killers at all. lol Love Ovie!

          • Zelle

            That would explain the no shots on the goal then. I like him too. They were talking about how he was back checking in this tournament. I wish he brought that kind of hustle to the NHL.

    • Tooks

      Czech also beat USA. The Legends continues… JAGR!

    • Tooks

      80 F da COSTA Teddy? Brother?

      • Sandy

        Yes..

  • Tooks

    What are the chances we resign André Benoit? UFA, lol. Solid Vet.

    • WaitingSince92

      HA! It’s funny (read: sad) how good a solid, nothing-flashy type of D can look after this season!

  • Zelle

    Ugh Myers gets back in the line up and rewards Canada by getting a penalty which the Fins score on.. :/

  • Tooks

    Canada 3PP’s so far in 1st period, 0-2…The big boys need to score…

  • Sandy

    Saw this on another site…

    http://dlvr.it/5l0WsV

    • Hax

      St Louis is the team I keep coming back to. Mostly because I covet Oshie and Shattenkirk. I realize (somewhat reluctantly) that getting either of those guys, let alone both, back in a trade is unlikely if not impossible. But I would still love to see Murray add to Spezza to get it done. Maybe (if the article is to be believed) Spezza would agree to an extension in advance so that his value goes up? Then add in two of our young D (not Ceci though)????

      • Doc

        I’d do Oshie for Spezza.

        27 year old with good hands, would fit in nicely on Zibby’s wing.

      • Sandy

        IF the article has any truth and St Louis wants Spezza and Spezza wants to play in St Louis.. then it would be a no-brainer that he would sign an extension.
        Screw the 2014 first rounder from them.. it’s basically near the bottom of the first round in a weak draft.
        Murray should just say.. IF you want Spezza give me Schwartz and Rattie or he goes to Anaheim.

        • Hax

          I’d rather Murray say “If you want Spezza take x and y as well and give me Oshie and Shattenkirk”. But yeah I’m not sure why everyone assumes a 2014 first will be part of the deal. Especially when Spezza extending is apparently such a difference maker and that can’t happen until after July 1st.

        • FistsofNeil25

          I think we’d have an easier time getting Oshie out of St Louis than Schwartz. He’s probably their most untouchable forward.

          • Doc

            That’s my guess as well.

  • FistsofNeil25

    Turris with a blast!!! Tie game! He capitalized on an offensive opportunity that was created from a great defensive play. Beauty!

    • Tooks

      OMG I CALLED IT!

      Maybe he will get that double hat trick you were talking about!

      • SensChirp

        Shuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut up.

        • Tooks

          I know right, I usually get things like this right but that was a total guess!

          • SensChirp

            What was a total guess?

          • Tooks

            Turris would get a goal.

          • SensChirp

            Like, in your head errrr?

      • FistsofNeil25

        It’s not hard to call Tookie. It’s what Turris has done his entire career. He’s a big game player. The only person that doubted he would perform in this game today was you!

        World U17 Silver Medal, Gold medal Ivan Hlinka Memorial Tourney, led the 2007 Super Series in goals as Canada beat Russia 7-1, led the 2008 World juniors in scoring as Canada won gold, led the Sens in playoff goals last year with 6 in 10 games.

        It’s just what he does bud. Big game player!

        • Tooks

          I agree he is a junior big game player, hasnt won anything in the Pro’s yet, though he is still young, he is certainly heading in the right direction.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Lots of players that haven’t won anything at the pro level. Like maybe our 31 year old former first line center.

      • Jakester

        Swallow hard Turkey, oops I mean Tookie!

    • Sandy

      He plays really well with Read. It appears that Turris can play with just about anyone and has chemistry with them..

  • Tooks

    Scheifele, 2-1 CAN.

  • Zelle

    Read and Turris strike again. Makes me wonder how they would perform at the NHL level. Although I’d hate to take Ryan off the first line…

    MacArthur – Turris – Read

    Or if we get another 1C type guy so Senators would have 1a/1b again, then Bobby could be on that line, with Hoffman on the LW to make up for Ryan’s lack of speed.

    • Sandy

      Maybe Ed Snider may want Hextall to try to get Turris?

      • Hax

        Meh you said it before – he just plays well with a lot of players (probably true for Turris and Read actually). I don’t think many GMs get too excited over a couple of successful games together.

        • Zelle

          I’ve said before that Turris seems to bring the best out of his wingers and it has been true so far, but Read just seems like a very good player and definitely in the age span of Senator’s core group. Flyers’ stars are older and are closer to having a competing team, might not be a bad place for a Spezza trade possibility.

      • Zelle

        Hard to see how the Senators will ever trade Turris this off season if Spezza leaves and we are a budget team, seeing as his contract is ridiculously cheap for how good he is.

        • Sandy

          It was just a sarcastic remark. No way the Sens trade Turris..

          • Zelle

            oh sorry lol

    • Senatollah

      Ryan on the second line, no resign

      • Jakester

        1st and second lines will play same minutes, and if we resign him in early July, what does he know about Mac’s f-ing line combinations???

    • Rafi Bomb

      Stone has already shown enough chemistry on that line so there is no need to alter it. If we are trading with Philadelphia, we would be better off targeting Wayne Simmonds, or Jakub Voracek, or Brayden Schenn or Sean Couturier or Scott Hartnell

      • Zelle

        I’d like Schenn or Simmonds, but I assumed Simmonds would be untouchable. Same with Hartnell. Maybe Schenn or Couturier though.

        • Rafi Bomb

          Some Flyers fans seem to think that Hartnell is going to get moved this off season. He would be a good fit on the Sens if that is the case and would add some nice grit to our top six.

          There are rumors that Schenn is going to get moved so he could be available at this right price.

          As for Simmonds, yeah it would be hard to attain him but I guess it would depend on what we are offering. I don’t know what their interest level in Spezza is, but if they are a Simmonds and Schenn package would be intriguing.

          • Zelle

            I’m not sure how much I’d like Hartnell. He’s good from what I have seen but I’d prefer an attempt at Simmonds and Schenn for sure. I guess Hartnell’s extremely slow start last season kind of put me off.

  • Sandy

    Early goal by the Finns in the 2nd.. bad goal on Scrivens.. Now 2-2.. The Canadians have to win in regulation.. going into sudden death with Scrivens in net.. not ideal.

    • s3nsfan

      winning in regulation with Scrivens in goal, not ideal lol, sorry just not a scrivens fan

      • Hax

        Better than Riemer

        • s3nsfan75

          ‘suppose, what’s THAT saying though lol

      • Sandy

        True words.. Finns now winning very late in the 3rd.

    • Zelle

      They need to capitalize on their power plays. Going 0 for 3 is no good, especially since they allowed one PPG already. Damn Rinne looks like he’s going to be stopping 40+ shots by the end of the game.

    • FistsofNeil25

      In a single game elimination, I’ll take the team with the better goaltender to come out on top. Look at the NHL playoffs for example. Price over Rask in game 7. Quick over Gibson and Niemi in game 7. Lundqvist over Mason and Fleury in game 7.

      With Reimer and Scrivens in net, it’s going to be a tall task for Canada to medal…especially with goaltenders like Rinne and Bobrovsky in this tournament.

      Reimer and Scrivens aren’t even NHL caliber starting goaltenders. Just very good back-ups.

      • Rafi Bomb

        The fact that we have two former/current leafs goalies was a strong enough indication that we weren’t going to succeed.

        Why wasn’t Mike Smith on this team? Or Cam Ward? Or Brayden Holtby?

  • esk

    spezza season ending interview…http://senators.nhl.com/club/blogpost.htm?id=29540

  • Hax

    Armchair GM Stuff:

    Traded Spezza, Cowen, Gryba and whatever else it takes to get the deal done to StL for Shattenkirk and Oshie. If they’ll take a package with Wiercioch instead of Cowen all the better but I’m already reaching :). Dropped Moulson in at $4M which might not be nearly enough to sign him, but kept him mostly as a placeholder. i.e. spend whatever is left in the budget to fill that wing position. If we keep Cowen and trade Wiercioch then there’s less budget room of course.

    If desperation strikes, could roll the dice and trade Anderson as well and run with Lehner. Only saves about $2M though since you’d want a veteran backup for Lehner. Or if you find teams willing to take Greening or Condra that could save a few bucks (though I still think both have value in a limited role).

    FORWARDS
    MacArthur / Turris / Stone
    Matt Moulson ($4m) / T.J. Oshie ($4.175m) / Ryan
    Hoffman ($1.2m) / Zibanejad / Pageau
    Greening / Smith / Neil
    Condra

    DEFENSEMEN
    Methot / Karlsson
    Wiercioch / Kevin Shattenkirk ($4.25m)
    Phillips / Ceci
    Borowiecki

    GOALTENDERS
    Anderson
    Lehner ($1.75m)

    CAP PAYROLL: $55,680,000; BONUSES: $1,595,000
    CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $15,420,000

    • sprucesens

      yeah, I think that might get the blues listening, but I think they would ask for a bigger name player like ceci, so I just don’t see us getting both. Love both players, but I think we end up giving up top prospects to get it done, rather than our 5-6 D guys, unfortunately.

      • Hax

        I’m fine to include prospects as well as clearing out some NHL D guys. Either way we’d have to make room. So if they won’t take Gryba/Wiercioch or whomever then maybe move them in separate deals to somewhat restock prospects/picks. But yeah, I totally realize and agree I’m asking for the moon from StL – that’s why I included Cowen even though I’d rather keep him.

      • Rafi Bomb

        Well if we create a package of Spezza, Hemsky and Wiercioch we could likely get the return that Max is suggesting.

        But if it is just Spezza and a d man, then your right that it would have to be either Ceci or Cowen.

        • Hax

          I’m not sure why anyone thinks that Hemsky has ANY value whatsoever. He’s a UFA. His rights are worth a cup of coffee. And the Spezza trade won’t happen until after July 1st anyway since his contract can’t be extended until then.

          Unless you’re suggesting a team would take Spezza if they already confirmed with Hemsky’s agent that he’ll sign with that team to play with Spezza??

          • Rafi Bomb

            I disagree. Firstly attaining rights gives a team an exclusive negotiation period with said player. While that has limited value the total set of circumstances around trading Hemsky with Spezza makes his rights have fairly high value.

            What we know about Hemsky is that he is looking to get paid, he wants to go to a contender and he has a interest in playing with Spezza. Every team across the league has now seen what Hemsky and Spezza can do when playing together. A team that is ether already contending or on the verge of it, has deep pockets, sufficient cap space and is looking to acquire Spezza will see the value in attain both. So if they are confident that they can extend Hemsky then they would be willing to trade for him . This allows a team an added level of security as they already have a player that they know meshes well with Spezza.

            Personally I think that is the best approach to trading Spezza. We will get a far better return by trading both than Spezza solely. We can also grant access for the teams to negotiate with Hemsky’s agent prior to the trade being completed to ensure his interest in being extended.

          • Hax

            Okay. I think if it’s so widely known that Hemsky wants to play with Spezza that teams would assume they could sign him July 1st and wouldn’t need to give up anything to talk to him sooner. Plus I think that teams will want to know if they can resign Spezza before they trade for him – which means it has to happen after July 1st.

            Agree to disagree here I guess.

          • Rafi Bomb

            Hemsky is interested in playing with Spezza and he now has some experience playing with him. He is likely also interested in playing with other elite centres so there is no guarantee that he will sign with the team that acquires Spezza.

            The Senators have apparently granted access to other teams to speak with Spezza’s agent regarding extensions. They will have a very good idea if not a certain understanding of whether Spezza will extend or not.

          • Hax

            I’ll admit to being a bit fuzzy on the CBA rules here. I didn’t think teams could talk much beyond “would you be happy to play here” and I’m almost certain they can’t talk money. Though I suppose nothing stops them from basically laying all the cards on the table unofficially. But a GM would be taking a risk making a big trade before they have ink on a contract. What if Spezza’s agent says on July 1st “Okay so now that you gave up a ton to get Jason, we’ve reconsidered how much money he should get on his new contract”

            I’ll be surprised if a team is willing to make a huge offer before July 1st. I’m expecting Murray to have a couple of options in place and triggers to get pulled July 1st once they can officially dot the i’s and cross the t’s.

          • Rafi Bomb

            I am no CBA expert either but I think that it is based off of granted access by the team who retains the players rights. And the restrictions are imposed that it can only be in relation to trading a player.

            I think you may be correct in that salary and performance bonuses can’t be negotiated but I am not sure.

          • Hax

            Well I know (or I *think* I know) that teams can’t officially negotiate extensions with players until they enter the last year of their current contract. But (clearly with Spezza) they can at least discuss interest level. Anyway, would love to be a fly on the wall in Murray’s office for the next while to see what the options are.

    • Rafi Bomb

      I am not a fan of trading Cowen as he has too much upside.

      I do like the idea of trading for Oshie and Shattenkirk. Those two and Backes would be the players that I would want in a trade with St Louis.

      Pageau is still too small to play wing and Lazar has a better chance of taking that third line RW spot than him.

      • Hax

        Agreed. Just tried to be a little realistic in that StL will want someone back that they might think will be worth it (beyond Spezza). Sort of dropped JGP in as a placeholder as well. I think Lazar is better served developing more before playing bottom six minutes here, but if he steals the spot all the better.

        • Rafi Bomb

          I do feel that your deal is more realistic but my primary concern is that if we move Cowen it should only be for a more established player who plays a similar role. Shattenkirk is a very good player but he is another offensive puck mover with little grit. We would simply have too many of those types with Shattenkirk, Karlsson, Wiercioch and Ceci all on our d corps and we would have a glaring need for a physical shutdown type.

          I like the fact that you are taking a creative approach to get a few good players from St Louis. Personally I feel that it is realistic that we can attain one or multiple of Oshie, Backes and Shattenkirk in a trade for Spezza. Attaining multiple will require us to add, but we could always package Spezza with Hemsky. My reasoning behind this is that St Louis was expected to win or in the very least go very far this season. They made the most substantial trade at the deadline and the organization was committed for a real cup run. Their failure to perform was a disappointment to the owners and in turn will lead to a lack of security for key personnel as they haven;t been able to make a real impact for years with this squad.

          • Hax

            Fair point – so maybe try to stick them with Wiercioch and keep Cowen. Though they do already have 7 D signed so I’m not sure how willing they would be to add D. Maybe they’d want Greening or Condra as part of the deal?

            Backes has a NTC so not sure he’s in play and if StL is adding Spezza they might want to keep Backes around.

          • Jakester

            Puck moving D is where the game is at, a bumbler who can’t skate or make a good pass isn’t. Cowen should be moved this summer. Methot, Wiorcioch and Claessen are ahead of this guy and are safer options.

          • Rafi Bomb

            That’s hilarious. Methot is the only one that is better than Cowen at this point. Even then Cowen has more upside than him and substantially more upside than Wiercioch and Claessen.

            Players like Cowen take a long time to develop before they end up being great players. Ogranizations that are ipatient like yourself end up trading them away before they actualize a small percentage of their potential and end up losing out in the long run by replacing them with inferior players like Wiercioch and Claesson.

            As for the whole puck moving d comment. You still need physical shutdown d men to be successful in this league. Sure those shutdown types actually need to be able to skate and pass successfully but their style of play is still very much needed. A d corps of pure puck movers with little to no physicality and fairly avergae defensive acumen will falter.

      • Tooks

        You wont get any of those guys for Spezza alone, hell I dont even think if we add players, it still wouldnt get done.

        • Rafi Bomb

          If that is the case then St Louis can stop wasting our time. They won’t be interested in moving Schwartz or Tarasenko either and the rest of the players they could offer are drastically inferior to what we could get from other organizations.

    • Senatollah

      Ryan on the second line, no resign. He wants to be a first line player. Put Ryan back on that first line, move stone to the 3rd line and bench pageau. Find another option for 2nd line RW.

      • Hax

        Meh. I think if that was our top 6 you could list them the other way around with Moulson-Oshie-Ryan officially number 1. Ice time would be pretty even either way. I mostly put Stone with Turris to spread things out a bit.

        Tough to find a better option than Pageau for $600k or less but I’m open to ideas there.

      • Rafi Bomb

        That line has too much chemsitry. We are better off finding a centre that will mesh well with Ryan and then make a 1st or 2nd line based on which line has better players.

        I personally like a trade with LA with attaining Richards and Brown at 40-50% salary retained and then rolling a line of Brown-Richards-Ryan

        Other combinations we could go with based on potential trades could be:

        Hanzal-Ryan
        O’Reilly-Ryan
        Schenn-Ryan
        Couturier-Ryan
        Backes-Ryan
        Oshie-Ryan

        And from there we just need to find a LW either internally, through trade or free agency to complete the line.

        • Hax

          Do you really think the Kings are going to retain salary on 2 contracts totally 14 years and $80M? I don’t think so. Plus they JUST signed Brown.

          • Rafi Bomb

            The Kings have the sufficient capital means to retain that kind of salary and it would be entirely contingent on the type of return. Aside from that they may not like the contracts and accept the fact that the only way out is to retain salary or be forced to buy them out completely later on in their careers.

          • Hax

            So you’re saying the Kings will pay an extra $25M or more just to make this trade? That’s more than just “sufficient capital” – that’s a ton of cap space as well as real cash.

          • Rafi Bomb

            Sports franchises are hobbies to Billionaires. They don’t own them to make money, they own them to entertain themsevles, their associates and clients of their other ventures. They will be willing to throw money around if they think that is going to increase their chances of winning a championship.

          • Hax

            Ah, so you haven’t met our owner then?

          • Rafi Bomb

            Melnyk’s issues stem from his divorce and the status of his other investments. He doesn’t have the same financial flexibility that he has had in the past so that has led him to take a more cost effective approach with the Senators. This isn’t necessarily a bad thing and some other owners are very willing to sign players to ridiculous contracts as they can afford to lose that kind of money. We have also placed a stronger emphasis in drafting and development which is in many ways superior to simply throwing money at UFAs.

          • Jakester

            Stop smoking

        • Jakester

          Why would any team retain that much salary?? Come on!

  • Sandy

    Giveaway by Tyler Myers and it’s in the back of the net… 3-2 Finland with about 3 min left.. Not good at all..

    • Sandy

      It’s all over.. Canada loses

      • FistsofNeil25

        We can thank Myers and Scrivens for that loss.

        • Zelle

          Two goals against linked directly to Myers. That hurts. Someone on HF totally called it too:
          “Gudbranson and Myers. If Finland scores another goal, it will be because of one of them…”

      • Zelle

        Disappointing way to end it.. Less than 5mins on the clock in a tie game and a scrub turnover turns into a 5hole goal. Brutal.

      • aegiszx

        No surprise really, when the going gets tough, the team canada “3.0″ squad often fails to deliver.

        Lets face it, none of the guys on this team are clutch players with the exception of maybe Turris… They’re GOOD players, but they arent clutch guys, hence why they are playing there as opposed to Sochi.

        And people say we could ice 2 Olympic teams lol

    • Harv

      Terrible, dumb play by Myers – reminded me of a Spezza pass. Other than Turris and a few others most of the team looked lethargic, no energy, no intentsity. Checked out the Sweden/Belarus game and Belarus was twice as energized as the Canadians. Scrivens should have had the winning goal maybe but the guy was in the center slot. Take Myers off the trade list.

      • Sandy

        My point is.. where was Cam Ward. He didn’t have the best of seasons.. BUT he is better than both Scrivens & Reimer.

    • Sandy

      Apparently Turris took responsibility for the Finns 3rd goal. He said he was yelling at Myers to pass him the puck as he was open. Myers sent the puck to him but it was picked off… Classy player Turris is..

      • Tooks

        Yep class act by Turris but he was the reason Myers fucked up on that play and it was evident to see the hesitation by Myers. Turris was also on the ice for the game tying goal against, so -2 in the 3rd.

        Well at the beginning of this tourney when Turris was named #1C I said this would be a good test for him to show if he is rdy to shoulder the load. Well its clear he isnt, yet, he could not lead the team offensively while being the top playing FW…Canada counted on him and others to step it up and they failed. He was part of the Leadership and failed.

        I still dont get how NHL players lose to scrubs, sure Rinne was in the net but Olli Jokinen was basically the only NHL caliber guy…

  • FistsofNeil25

    Halak signed a four year $18 500 000 with the Islanders and they announce they’re keeping this years pick and giving up their 2015 first rounder instead from the Vanek trade with Buffalo.

    • ChampIsHere

      r.i.p islanders and hello ufa tavares

    • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

      Unbelievable… How this franchise survives is completely lost on me.

    • A-Train

      I guess I’m in a contrarian mood today…but these seem like decent moves.

      Halak’s not bad at 4.5M a year — better than what they’ve had recently, anyway.

      And the 1st….I know we are all going to say “weak draft”, “McDavid next year” but I don’t think ANY franchise would do the opposite. Saying you think you’ll be a lottery team next year: not a good way to build a fanbase.

      • sprucesens

        yeah, probably an overpayment for halak, but they also have a low payroll as is, and I’m sure halak wanted to know they are willing to commit to him, and same for guys like Tavares, who want to win. I’m with Atrain on the draft pick. They certainly could be back to a playoff team depending on what they do in the offseason. Remember just last year they put up fits against Pittsburgh. They are better off taking the top pick this year, or potentially dealing it this year, then they are possibly taking a pick likely in the 5-15 range next year. could be about the same in terms of potential of player. And giving away this one, would certainly look bad on the org if they chose to keep next year’s instead.

    • Richard Gough

      I am going too laugh so hard if the NYI wins the lottery drafts next yr

  • s3nsfan75
    • RUSH RLZ

      You see the part after the www? That is code for ‘don’t bother clicking to read this asinine dogshit’.

    • A-Train

      Well…he signed record-breaking broadcast contracts, negotiated a labour deal, managed to clear up ownership questions in a few of his struggling franchises and staged some well-attended and attention-grabbing outdoor events.

      Pretty good year on the “executive” side of things, no?

      • s3nsfan75

        executively speaking, yes, i agree, i just don’t like him, but i have to admit he did have successful year in that regard.

  • RUSH RLZ

    Single handedly pounding the SHIT out of Leafs fans in the MacArthur vs Kadri poll. LOL.

  • Nick

    Jason Spezza and Patrick Wiercioch VS Erik Gudbranson, Jimmy Hayes and the first over all pick

    • sprucesens

      as in a trade, I assume?

    • Hax

      Handicap match at the next PPV?

  • luckan20

    Panther’s deal deal will be cool, since we can either draft Samuel and Ekblad. Both are NHL ready. Preferable trade Spezza, Wiercioch & Condra for 2014 top pick, Bjugstad, JImmy Hayes & Kulikov.

    • Jakester

      Why don’t the panthers hand over their wallets too, dream on!

  • The Apostle

    Saw Mike Babcock at the airport today.Obviously Zetterburg and Datsyuk for Spezza and Gryba

    • Zelle

      Alfie cries.

  • s3nsfan

    There is still 2 days to vote but Kadri is leading the vote so far.

    http://poy.tsn.ca/1-nhl2014/match/27-macarthur-vs-kadri

    • RUSH RLZ

      I’m probably responsible for 10 thousand votes so far. Have a PC and want to know how to help demo Kadri? Email me cbubinas@hotmail.com

  • Sandy

    Can someone explain to me why that last late hit to the head wasn’t called by the so efficient.. Marc Joanette? He was freaking looking at the play? What an incompetent POS

    • bluebuyyoo

      Prust keeping it classy in NY. Should have been a penalty. May even be suspendable on review.

      • Sandy

        Should have been a 5 min major. But once I heard who one of the refs were tonight.. I kinda figured it would be a mess.

  • Sandy

    Montreal playing cheap shot tonight. Come on Rangers.. time for a beat down

  • Deadly

    Montreal trusts their goalie so much that they are in the crease with him making saves.

  • Sandy

    Here’s a video I found on the Prust hit on Stepan. The ref was looking right at it.. Didn’t see shoulder to the head.. blindside..

    http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2014/05/22/video-prust-nails-stepan-with-questionable-hit-rangers-reply-carcillo-tossed/

    • Tooks

      Prust will be suspended by the NHL.

      • Sandy

        Want to take a bet on that? Stepan came back to the game and therefore wasn’t injured. There will be no suspension.
        Their talk about taking head shots out of the game only applies in certain situations.

        • Tooks

          Upon further review, it wasnt a head shot, blindside and late as hell, yes, but no headshot. 2min penalty at best.

    • Zelle

      I don’t remember Prust being like this as a Ranger. But since he’s been on the Canadiens he’s become a whiny, hypocritical dirtbag it seems. Good on Carcillo to step up for Stepan.

    • Captain Karl

      Shoulder to chest. 2 minute interference call missed. No big deal. Missed calls on both sides tonight.

      • Sandy

        Looks to me like he hit the head.. not the chest… But it was a shoulder..

  • Andrews theory

    Has Therrien figured out that Briere is his best playoff player yet?

    • bluebuyyoo

      Therrien still hasn’t figured out how to tie his shoes yet.

  • bluebuyyoo

    Briere. Clutch little bastard around the net late in the game.

  • Millennium

    Chirp, your curse is unreal. I can’t even believe it.

    • Andrews theory

      Chirp, you should keep a peice of wood on you at all times to counter your curse

      • SensChirp

        It’s stronger than I realized. That time I used it to make something happen that I actually WANTED to happen. This kind of power is a little overwhelming.

        • WaitingSince92

          Use it wisely. With great power…

        • Doc

          Don’t listen to WaitingSince92! Abuse it!! Abuse it for the greater good!!

  • Andrews theory

    You’d think Therrien throws Briere over the boards first shift in OT. but he likely won’t even see the ice.

    Therrien is a dumbass

  • Sandy

    The bastards won… SOB.

    • WaitingSince92

      I don’t think it was about balls, they just missed it.

    • runningbear1974

      I hate the Rangers more than Montreal… They’re the rich kids, who always get what they want… Spoiled… Boyle punched Karlsson in the head a whole bunch of times… I don’t understand how anyone can cheer for them over Montreal… The Rangers overpay people, they’ve been driving up salaries… They’re the Maple Leafs of the south… I think of Rangers as one of the evil forces in the league…

      • Tooks

        He didnt punch Karlsson, sigh, he gave him a couple of facewashes. And yes I prefer the Rangers, Lundqvist is one of my All time fav goalies, pure class. I’m talking new era Rangers, speed, skill and grit on D.

      • Sandy

        I remember Prust elbowing Conacher in the back of the head. I remember Bourque ‘chicken-winging’ Conacher as he skated by.. Neither got a penalty BTW which is no surprise. I don’t like Boyle.. but I hate the Habs as much as the Leafs and would never cheer for them..

  • lbernier

    Sens should be talking to Filatov and trying to get him to return to the Sens organization! He is a great player, he was close, its just too bad he left for the KHL!

  • runningbear1974

    It’s too bad we didn’t get a chance to try Spezza as a left winger… If he could play left wing, he would be a huge asset for us… Centers are too important defensively… If only Spezza played the left wing…

  • RUSH RLZ

    Guys! I’ve probably pounded in 45 thousand votes for MacArthur alone at this point, but the clicks in Leafs nation are immense, we need some extra horsepower.

    All you need is a PC and a willingness to let it work when you are away from it, overnight etc. Let me know who wants to step up!

  • Hax

    Ideas for Chirp to tweet out:

    “No way would the Blues trade both Shattenkirk AND Oshie to Ottawa this summer”

    “I’ll bet 5 dollars that the Habs end up winning the series”

    “I don’t think Bobby Ryan will sign an extension”

  • Doc

    I hope you’re happy Chirp!

    • SensChirp

      Ha. What did I do?!

      • Doc

        You’re directly responsible for the Habs win. Shame on you.

  • SensChirp