Interesting Summer Ahead in Ottawa

SensChirp June 5, 2014 641
Interesting Summer Ahead in Ottawa

These are tense times for the Ottawa Senators.

With the NHL Draft now just a few weeks away, and the inevitable Jason Spezza deal set for the not too distant future, fans are a little uneasy about the direction this team is heading. With Ales Hemsky and Milan Michalek also seemingly headed elsewhere, it’s hard to imagine how the Senators will improve next season.  With that said, I think we are all guilty of panicking a little bit before we know exactly what is in store this off season. A recent run of reactionary, budget-conscious moves has everybody a little on edge.

But as AJ Jakubec from TSN1200 pointed out, maybe we all need to take a deep breath here.

The Senators are certainly going to have a different look next season. They are not going to spend with the top teams though, especially with the cap possibly hitting $70 mil next season. With that said, they will have to spend some money just to get to the cap floor and if Melnyk is looking to ice a mid-cap team, Bryan Murray may have even more wiggle room. They won’t be free spending, but they do have some options.

There aren’t many “big fish” in this year’s free agent class but there are some interesting names that I’m sure the Sens will make a call on. Like most teams, Ottawa could use another top six forward and another defenceman who can play on the top two pairings. Those kind of players don’t usually come cheap but Murray will be searching the market for affordable free agent and trade options.

There has been some unease about the potential acquisition of guys like Chris Stewart and Nick Bonino. Jakubec was also pretty quick to silence those rumours last night.

That’s certainly good news because a lot of what has been written about both Stewart and Bonino isn’t exactly favourable.

Let’s all give Bryan Murray some credit here and hope that he’ll be able to work some magic over the next few weeks. He doesn’t have a ton of money to work with but with half of the team’s top six forwards likely moving on, he will have some wiggle room. He also holds a key trade piece that teams around the league would love to have.  This is going to be an interesting summer for the Ottawa Senators.

Let’s hope it’s the good kind of interesting this time around.

  • OverMind

    toss Alfie 8 mil 1 year… please..

    • FBP

      I will fight you.

      • Senatollah

        Chirp – add this one to the card for this Sunday.

        • s3nsfan75

          Lol I want to see this card, jousting, duels oh my!!!!!
          Tough people mouthin’ off behind their computer screens LMFAO

          • Tooks

            Just like your doing, s3nsfan75 is mine! u ded! I’m a heavyweight btw!!

          • s3nsfan75

            Explain to me how I’m mouthing off, making fun of people who are doing this? I’m not challenging anyone to a fight, im merely making fun of people, who are acting tough behind their computer screens, PLEASE mr know it all, show me where I’m acting tough and challenging someone to a fight. LMAO Jackass

          • bluebuyyoo

            If you were standing in front of someone and you called them a know it all or a jackass to their face, they just might take offence and take a swing at you. The above comment makes you look just like those you are making fun of. A guy that calls someone names from behind his keyboard because he knows the other guy can’t do anything about it.

          • s3nsfan75

            the above comment shows my disdain for someone who comes on here makes comments like he is in the know and not merely stating his opinion, he is beligerent, he stirs up shit and i just personally don’t like him. And anyone is more than welcome to take a swing at me, who’s first….LMAO

          • bluebuyyoo

            :-)

          • s3nsfan75

            *you’re lol

          • RUSH RLZ

            I’m just under 6’6″, 230 pounds. I could use some light exercise Tooks! You’re dead at recess man!

  • Big Lue

    I agree with Chirp, Have some faith in Brian Murray.

    In Murray we trust!

  • FistsofNeil25

    Jakubec is right…we should wait until the free agency period cools down. We won’t know how our roster will really shape up until then.

    It’s just hard to be positive about next season with so much budget talk. Murray isn’t exactly dealing from a position of strength right now either, and that can be dangerous.

    • Senatollah

      So much of the ‘budget’ talk is media/blogger driven. Yes the team has said they have an internal budget, but its not a big deal. I used to think strongly that if you didnt spend to the cap you didnt want to WIN. But i have farted around capgeek and with the current players the sens have signed, and wanting to keep intact a young CORE it just doesnt seem realistic to get to the Cap, especailly in two/three years when those new contracts will need to be signed for big raises for those on ELC.
      Want to spend the budget, give Lehner $2.5m/year to back up the next two years.

      • FistsofNeil25

        I don’t think the budget is a huge deal right now, but if it’s still an issue when we need to pay our own guys to retain them, then it will definitely be a big deal.

        The problem with the budget is that it’s very strict. This season we should have made a move for a top six forward or a top 4 defenseman when we were just barely treading water in the standings. Instead we had to wait until the trade deadline, make Edmonton retain half of Hemsky’s salary, and ship out Conacher and Corvo just to ensure that it was money in and money out.

        That’s the big problem I have with the budget. It severely handcuffs Murray’s ability to make this team competitive enough.

        • Senatollah

          Yeah but…
          All year the Ottawa Sun guys were saying $50m hard cap, but the team blew past both in real dollars out and salary cap dollars.

          So if this year its reported to be $55-56m it would easily be $60m.
          Also, the difference in spending to the cap for the top 20 or so teams was about $2m. So even if the team spent to $66 million they would still be in the bottom third overall in spending, and THATS including with great deals currently for the whole top line for next season.

          • FistsofNeil25

            I don’t ever realistically expect us to be a cap team ever again. $70 million is honestly outrageous for any team to spend.

            I just don’t want to see a strict budget that handcuffs Murray. I would be more than happy to see the team spend in the $65 million range but we can’t expect such a thing this upcoming season. It would require over paying a few UFA’s.

            I think we can realistically expect the team to spend within that rumored $55-57m range. We’ll probably be one of the bottom three spenders along with Buffalo and NYI if that’s the case

    • Tooks

      Well its easy to say “just wait” but we already know what the roster will look like, atleast 95% of it, the only new players coming in is from the Spezza trade and whoever they are wont be a #1C type of player, most probably a 2nd liner, a pick and a prospect.

      Of the few teams interested (Realistic offer, no NTC/NMC):

      Blues
      Jaskin + Shattenkirk + 1st 2014 (21st)
      Berglund + Paajarvi + 1st 2014

      Anaheim
      Bonino + DSP + 1st 2014 (10th)
      Sbisa + Etem + 1st 2014
      Palmieri + DSP/Etem + 1st 2014

      Vancouver
      Schroeder + Gaunce + 1st 2014 (6th)
      Matthias + Horvat + 1st 2014
      Tanev + Shinkaruk + 1st 2014

      Nashville
      Wilson + Leipsic + 1st 2014 (11th)
      Smith + Forsberg + 1st 2014
      Josi + Sissons + 1st 2014
      Ellis + Forsberg + 1st 2014

      • spezzerman

        nothing wrong with any of those returns, IMO.

      • FistsofNeil25

        Those are all pretty good deals there Tooks. Surprisinly optimistic considering you think all we’re getting for Spezza is scraps. What changed?

        I don’t really like that Schroeder + Gaunce deal but the rest I would do for sure.

        • Tooks

          Well I always said we would be getting a mid level type roster player, the prospect and picks is Murray. I just tried to think what the other teams would be willing to give up for a 1 year Spezza.

          All those deals, really, are not THAT great but I think its the best we are gonna get for Spezza at this point in his career, taking into account his serious injury history and age.

          • spezzerman

            Ellis, Forsberg and 2014 1st I’d consider a sweet, sweet return

          • laffin681021

            NSH would never do that deal

          • spezzerman

            Yes, I agree it would be highly unlikely

          • FistsofNeil25

            I think that some of those deals are incredible for Ottawa and probably out of the realm of possibility…

            Ellis + Forsberg + 1st 2014
            Smith + Forsberg + 1st 2014
            Josi + Sissons + 1st 2014
            Mathias + Horvat + 6th overall
            Jaskin + Shattenkirk + 1st 2014 (21st)

            I think any of those trades would be complete steals for Ottawa. Like a grand slam home run..

          • spezzerman

            Craig Smith is a beauty. Would LOVE him in Ottawa.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Yeah me too. He’s essentially Nashville’s best forward. He could play second line center or he would look great as the 2nd line RW with Zibanejad.

            Add Forsberg who is one of the better prospects in the world and the 11th overall pick and we make out like gangbusters in that trade.

            There’s no way we get that kind of return for Spezza. That package is just as valuable, or even more valuable than what Philadelphia got for each of Richards and Carter in their primes with long-term contracts lol

          • Doc

            Yeah, wishful thinking for sure.

            Fun to dream though.

          • spezzerman

            I think Colin Wilson is a more reasonable target. Like you said, Smith is currently their best forward (and I dont even think its close) – they’d be gettign Spezza to compliment Smith.

            Ellis-Wilson and 2014 1st for Spezza and Gryba/Boro

          • FistsofNeil25

            That’s definitely closer to Spezza’s value. I don’t have much interest in either of those players though.

          • Tooks

            Sure we could, Smith is the only proven player in that trade and on a good team he’s a 2nd liner at best.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Sure we could? Smith+Forsberg+11th overall? Do you really believe that? You’ve been saying for a couple weeks that we aren’t going to get anything good for Spezza and now you think we can get that package? Really. I don’t even know if you believe in what you’re saying half the time Tookie lol

          • Al Willig

            Jaskin, Shattenkirk and a 1st *might* approach the Carter and Richards deals but that’s about it. Schenn was considered a top 3 prospect (don’t remember the exact number) in future watch that year and Simmonds was already a pretty effective power forward. Voracek and the 8th overall pick (Couturier) is better than any of those other deals especially when you consider the weakness of the current draft crop. It may well be the case that the Senators cannot get everything they want in a deal for Spezza but even getting a couple decent pieces would be alright if that ship is determined to sail.

          • Tooks

            Well not really, apart from Josi and maybe Smith, none of them are more than mid level roster players. even Smith, he;s a 2nd line player.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Shattenkirk is a solid #3 dman, and you could argue that Josi is a #2, #3 at worst.

            Smith is a very good second line player and he’s a 200-footer. He would fit in with our system perfectly. I would expect similar production out of him as Turris and MacArthur.

            Jaskin/Horvat/Forsberg are all pretty good prospects, especially Forsberg.

      • Andrews theory

        Forsberg is a guy i’d love to see coming back -crazy thing is Preds got him for nothing essentially

      • The Apostle

        I think if we get 2 pieces of immediate help back in the Spezza trade we might have to settle for a 2nd round pick.

      • Jakester

        Those are mostly all realistic, good job Torkie!

  • FBP

    I’m glad AJ calmed me down. If we do end up with Bonino or Stewart I will unleash a firestorm of sarcasm at his tweet and later regret it.

    • FistsofNeil25

      Yeah neither one of those guys are good top six forwards. I don’t want to see either in a Sens jersey.

  • spezzerman

    Anaheim doesn’t have many forwards that interest me. I hope it isnt Anaheim we deal with for Spezza; But, Sami Kapanen I like so if it has to be Anaheim…Kapanen, Anaheims later first and Palmeiri for spezza and boro?

    • FistsofNeil25

      Do you mean Sami Vatanen?

      • spezzerman

        hahahah – yes! Sorry!

        • Tooks

          DSP has to be in the talks, gotta get that guy! Anaheim might have big plans for him tho :(

          • spezzerman

            yeah I would definitely be okay with that over Palmieri. I’m just not sure Anaheim deals him but, yeah, taht would be much better

          • The Apostle

            I like DSP too, I also think any conversation with Anaheim includes Cogliano, we know Murray liked him when he was in Edmonton and he’s got better since then.

          • Tooks

            Cog and DSP, sign me up!

        • FistsofNeil25

          You had me thinking there for a second. I thought Kapanen was 40 and playing in Europe lol

          Anaheim has a lot of good young prospects, Vatanen being one of them. I would take any combination of Etem, Smith-Pelly, Rakell, Theodore, Vatanen, Lindholm, Fowler.

          I imagine Fowler and Lindholm are both untouchable but oh well. I don’t really have much interest in Palmieri or Bonino. They’re nothing more than 3rd line players that can fill in a top six role from time to time.

          Gotta give Anaheim props for how well they have drafted though.

          • spezzerman

            Ya for sure. I guess I just mean I dont like many of their current top 6 types. we have to get at least a good top 6F or a top 4dman plus prospects for Spezz, IMO.

            I also would rather target next years 1st but not sure many people will be giving those away. Anaheim is a good candidate to crash next year due to their divisional competition and poor underlying numbers

          • FistsofNeil25

            Really? I don’t know. There’s so much young talent on that team and they’re led by Getzlaf and Perry. If you add Spezza to that mix then it’s hard to imagine them not being just as competitive next year.

            In fact, I still see them as the regular season favorite to win their division. LA isn’t a regular season team, SJ is going to make some changes this summer, and the rest of that division isn’t even close.

            If we’re talking about this years ANA 1st round pick vs next years, then yeah, I would prefer next years, but if we can get back our first from this year then that would be solid.

            I don’t think we need a pick though. I would be happy with prospects over picks.

          • spezzerman

            me too. I dont care at all about drafting in the first round this year.

  • spezzerman

    Yeah I think we need to calm down a bit. There isnt much reason to be excited but Melnyk has said…very, very poorly, they will spend when necessary. This summer it is necessary so lets see how it plays out.

    I just cant for the life of me believe that they would spend all that time and energy draftign and developing only to let them go once they start commanding larger contracts

    • Tooks

      Its because the big contracts that we gave were to the wrong people. Thats why we are crippled. Greening/Cowen/Michalek

      • spezzerman

        no, we havent crippled ourselves at all with any of those contracts…

        • Tooks

          We lost Alfie cuz of those bad contracts…

          • runningbear1974

            I haven’t heard that explanation of why Alfie left… Makes sense… If Greening gets 2.4 million, then Alfie must feel he’s worth at least 3 Greenings…

          • Tooks

            More like 7…

        • The Apostle

          well Michalek doesn’t have a contract with the sens so I don’t see how that has crippled us. Cowen’s contract is fair enough, especially if he bounces back.

          But the Greening contract is brutal. I said at the time, too much money and too much term. Even if Greening does bounce back the Sens don’t want him to be any more than a decent third liner.

          One of the biggest signs that the Sens were in trouble was the fact that Greening turned into a viable option for the top 6. I don’t think he does that on about 20 other NHL teams.

          • spezzerman

            sure, maybe. I say let him actually play under that contract first before we send in the executioner; but even if he scores no goals it is hardly “crippling”

            Greening was used as top 6 in the first year of the “rebuild.” We already knew we were in trouble…

          • runningbear1974

            He’ll be getting a little more than Smith, and Neil… Not a big deal… Certainly not crippling… Oh wait, never mind, it’s the end of the world… The most terrible thing ever…

          • The Apostle

            It’s not a big deal because we have tons of cap space and won’t hurt us from that regard. Where I think it is an issue is the fact it’s money we can’t spend somewhere else. That’s not Greening’s fault, it’s that budget bullshit again.

            Another thing is, and again this misn’t Greening’s fault, the lines above him aren’t currently good enough to allow us to pay 2.6 million a year for somebody who on his best day is a decent 3rd line banger.

          • runningbear1974

            Every team has a budget… Our budget should be less than the cap… We are not the Rangers, or Toronto, or any huge market…
            Greening’s contract is a fair contract given that Neil and Smith make close to that amount as well…

          • The Apostle

            I agree every team has a budget but when your budget is smaller than most other teams you have to be more careful with how you spend your money.
            I don’t think it hurts us finanically so much, but I think there are better ways we could have spent that particular 2.5 million.

          • spezzerman

            The Greening contract, IMO, was a gamble that was entirely based on Bryan Bickel getting 4M over 4 years. Yes, Bickel had a great playoff run to the cup before he signed that, but in the regular season Greening had better stats in every category where you’d find value in that type of player. More goals, points, Fights, hits per game than Bickel (after this season, that has likely changed, but Bickel was also brutal all year until the playoffs again)

            The Greening contract was a gamble from the start. I dont think he is incapable of earning it. If he can score 10 goals in a bottom 6 role I am not complaining about him getting 2.6M for another two years. And 10 goals is hardly unrealistic

          • RUSH RLZ

            Can you imagine being a fan of a team that could afford to just buyout Greening if they wanted to? *sighs*

          • peetypuck

            That would cut straight into the Euge’s profits. No, no, no.

      • peetypuck

        Considering the Sens had the 5th lowest team salary this year I fail to see how the team was crippled by big contracts. We were crippled by an owner that refused to spend much beyond the cap floor.

        • TookieIs100PercentRight

          We were “crippled” because 2 million to Greening and 3 million to Phillips is 5 million that could be allocated to a better player. Greening is eminently replaceable from within and Phillips is pretty much done, he spends more time pointing on the ice than he does stopping scoring opportunities.
          TOOKS100%OUT!!!!!!!

          • Sandy

            Those contracts will help get the Sens to the cap floor.

          • TookieIs100PercentRight

            Negatory. The team’s contracts that need to be upped (Ryan, for example) are already going to do that. There was no reason outside of mollifying the fan base to give Phillips another deal, let alone at that price. Greening isn’t worth 2+ mil let alone a NMC (!), he’s a 4th liner. The teams that excel in this league pay very little for bottom-line talent, instead spreading the money to more talented players.
            Those contracts were mistakes borne of loyalty and hope, instead of shrewd analysis. Ah well.
            TOOKS100%OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • The Apostle

    I wonder if LA will let Matt Greene hit free agency, he’s been in and out of their line-up all year.
    With Muzzin and martinez in line for raises in a years time, they might not want to offer him the term he wants.

    • FistsofNeil25

      He’s their 7th defenseman. I don’t think they would be offering him much money anyway. I hope we don’t go that route if that’s what you’re suggesting.

      • The Apostle

        I think we could do a lot worse than offer him a 2 year deal. You know, like offering Phillips one. Oh….

        • FistsofNeil25

          lol yeah that’s the problem though right. If we didn’t already have Phillips, Boro and Gryba I would be all for Greene. He just doesn’t fill a need.

          He just adds to the list of 5/6/7 caliber dmen we already have.

          • The Apostle

            If Cowen gets moved it increases the chances somewhat, although I don’t think Cowen is going anywhere. if we do move a blueliner as part of a Spezza trade (or not) I think it’s Wiercioch or Gryba.

  • sbs138

    maybe Murray is gonna bring back Filatov!!! yah! we’re saved!

  • A-Train

    In the absence of information, speculation runs wild. With no playoffs and an enforced wait of two more weeks at least until real news break….we’ll see more of crazy talk in here. Amazing to see the new names rush into the news vacuum.

    • s3nsfan75

      Hard to imagine there could be “MORE” crazy talk lol

  • s3nsfan75

    well the RCMP boat crews will be busy with all the sens fans jumping off the bridges into the water this off season before the roster is even set.

    Don’t worry folks, the sens will still carry on should you choose to jump off the bridge lol.
    Must be a special day, lots of you have your drama queen crowns on.

  • Andrews theory

    would not be suprised or dissapointed to see the Sens target Grabovski…
    much like MacArthur, i think he’s highly under-rated and can slide up and down from 2-3 line easily.

    • spezzerman

      Me too. In fact, Id be quite happy if they target a solid top 2-4 dman in the spezza trade and sign Grabovski to fill the C void Spezza leaves. I dont see Grabovski getting more than 5M per year again

    • Tooks

      Meh 30 year old perimiter player…We could do better

      • SensChirp

        Who?

        • FistsofNeil25

          Grabo.. or did you mean who is better than Grabo than we can get? lol

          • SensChirp

            No I mean, who can we get that is better?

          • FistsofNeil25

            hmmm…Grabo would probably provide us with the best “cost per point” lol

            He’s not going to get paid the big bucks and he can still put up 50-60 points. He’s a bargain bin purchase if there ever was one!

          • Tooks

            He only put up 50pts twice and that was 3-4 years ago. his last 2 season were 16 & 35. Not sure he can hit 50-60, especially not on our team, Our best players barely managed 60 last season.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Meh, he was on pace for exactly 50 points this season before his injury if you do the math. The only bad season he’s ever really had was last year in Toronto. Every season since 2008-2009 he’s either had 50+ points or has produced at a pace where he would have been in the 50-60 point range had he played a full 82 season. So yes he is capable of doing that.

            If your argument is that he isn’t capable of doing it in Ottawa, then the same can be said for Cammalleri, Legwand, Vrbata and Raymond.

          • Dirtysweetness

            Alfie, come home. :(

        • Jakester

          As a Leaf Tookie thought he was God!

          • Tooks

            Well he did have his best years with the Leafs, now he’s just regressed. I do remember him being more grittier than I give him credit for but not much else. If he comes under 5Mil, and like you said puts up 50pts, then ya, no brainer but can he do that with the pressure of being the 1C or 2C, he failed in Toronto and in WSH.

          • FistsofNeil25

            I think Grabovski will come in well below 5M. Probably 4M tops.

            I don’t know if he failed in Toronto. He was a pretty effective player before Carlysle came along. MacArthur-Grabovski-Kulemin was their best line until Randy broke them up for whatever reason and lost faith in all of them.

            Grabovski wouldn’t be my first choice but I can’t see us being able to land anyone better.

          • Sandy

            Grabovski and Kulimen want to play on the same team together. Depending on what the return for Spezza is.. ie defense instead of forwards.. would it hurt to have 2 experienced forwards on the team for a short time period? You may get them a little cheaper together than separately.
            They could also end up in Vancouver who needs players or Florida who needs players.

        • Tooks

          Well Stastny for one, Cammalleri, Vrbata, Raymond, Legwand…

          • SensChirp

            Legwand? Yuck. Cammalleri/Vrbata different players entirely. Stastny will not sign here.

          • Tooks

            Well if were on talking C’s, then ya Legwand is better and also Olli Jokinen would be better. It would only be to gap a few years anyways.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Stastny is the only UFA forward that I would be comfortable offering market value to and him choosing Ottawa isn’t likely.

          • RUSH RLZ

            I agree with everyone else. I would rather have Grabo than any of the other guys you mentioned except for Stastny.

            Legwand + Camms? *gags* Cammalleri gives me the creeps for some reason.

          • Guest

            Good job Rush, now you made him sad.

          • Doc

            Hmm…I posted this but it’s showing up as Guest.
            FINE.

    • Doc

      Grabo was money with MacArthur. They are both possession wizards.

    • Kohlmanator

      He’s playing soccer in Belarus now I believe. http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=453910

  • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

    Did two people seriously try to set up a fight?!?!

    • FistsofNeil25

      Uhhh… no….

    • RUSH RLZ

      It was just one person, who later pretended it was all a ruse.

      To be honest, I tried to set up a fight online YEARS ago as well. I know how stupid that must sound but the circumstances were very different. Was going to scramble his eggs in front of Parliament Hill but he wouldn’t show.

  • OleHeaveHoFlipperoooni

    I personally didn’t need any calming down. I’m reserving my right to comment. I think Zbad is terribly underrated. Man, wait!!! Once the coaches grow a brain and realize Zbad has an offwing one-timer that resembles Stamkos, Zbad will be scoring 25-30 maybe +. I also feel its not out of the realm of possibility that Stoner or the Hoff could pot 20 this year.

    I have all the confidence in BM getting a return for Spezz that we’ll all love, or that we can all at least live with. I’d rather a 1st, Perreault and Manson for Spezz if we work a trade with the Ducks. Or if it’s with St. Louis something revolving around Shatty or Schwartzy. That said I prefer we get a deal done with Phoenix. But there’s likely going to be that team that swoops in from no where and acquires Spezza. I’ve heard Chicago might make a pitch and LA. All in all of the 20 teams he’ll be eligible to be traded to, I’d say a good 15-16 are going to make a call and kick the tires with Murray. I really hope a bidding war of a sorts breaks out and BM can Dangle Spezz in front of 3-4 teams. Or even 2

    I’m personally excited for whats to come. I love how the team played without Spezza in the line-up. It’s usually not teams anymore with 80+ point guys that go deep in the playoffs. So I’ll take Zbad and Turry 1-2 up the middle over Spezz-Turry anyday after having endured last season. Sometimes it would just start to seem like Spezz’s line was a distraction. The other 3 lines would get the puck deep and generate chances. While Spezz’s couldn’t gain the zone during the few times they had the puck, or go 1 and out. IF they weren’t hemmed in their own zone for 30-40 secs. Those occasions right there would interrupt flow and momentum gained. Well that and Gryba’s dumbass penalties

    Even if there’s no big UFA day splash, with what we get back for Spezz or even Andy, to go along with what we already have, We can still compete. Most of these guys have shown they have it in them and I know they have it in them to do it again.. And the jury is still out on Lazar, Puemple, Claesson, Prince, Boro and SDC (if he comes back). Any of those guys could break out and steal a spot. Stranger things have happened. So chill worryers, complainers, naysayers and McDavid wanters. Don’t start that “Fail for Nail” shit again!

    • FistsofNeil25

      You’re lucky nothing rhymes with McDavid.

      • OleHeaveHoFlipperoooni

        Lol

        • Tooks

          I like it!

      • RUSH RLZ

        Goner for Connor?

        • FistsofNeil25

          NOT BAD!

        • Doc

          Our mothers for Connor?

          Cracked pavement for McDavid?

      • Frank

        It doesn’t really rhyme but I like “Save it for McDavid”

  • Miguel

    I have to say yes, that many are aprehensive about this coming season, but also with very much good reason.
    We took a massive step back last year, when after a good playoff run the year before, and with adding some top NHL calibre players to that team meant a stronger team.
    – we all know in fact the team looked much worse, and we did very little to make things better during that year
    Our D was certainly one of the worst D in the league last year, and we can argue that our forwards +/- is bad, but the fact is other than EK and MM the rest are either 5/6/7 dmen, or are too young for the NHL… all you have to do is compare them the the playoff teams D that are all big, and can skate, and take a hit to make a pass to clear the zone, something our D cannot do
    So going into next year, we will lose 3 of our top 6, but keep the same D
    Leaving arguably a very good 2nd line, one lower end 3rd line and 2- 5th lines.
    We have no first rounder, we cant spend money, the UFA list is not very good.
    And BM our trusted leader has really made some questionable, if not weak decisions on trades, and player signings in Greening and CP4.
    If we have to be a buget conscious team, and cant sign the players we really want, then why the Fuk do we have to sign the players we do not want?
    This is why many diehard Sens fans, are questioning whether they want to invest into a team as of today, arguabley will be worse than next year.
    Yes I am having a glass half empty day

    • RUSH RLZ

      I hear what you are saying with a lot of these points, but as the theme of the day suggests, we really all should relax and see how this pans out before panicking. Remember the Hossa for Heatley swap back in the day or the Ryan signing? Management at least is capable of making cool things happen!

      Regarding Murray’s questionable signings, I’ll reserve judgement on some of those until we can read his memoirs one day and see how much meddling he is enduring…

      • Miguel

        as usual you are the voice of reason,
        Just explaing why I am not excited about next season.
        We cannot blame everything on Melnyk.
        Yes we have a budget team but good money to bad players in Greening Cowen (Murray picks ) and CP4 and was not the Euge.
        Being a buyer when we should have been a sellers was also Murray. And losing Bishop for nothing also set us back.
        we need some good smart good moves to get us back to a contending team, and right now we are far from that.

  • Chris

    Mac16-Turris-Ryan
    Stewart – Bonino-Stone/Smith Pelly
    Lazar-zibby-smith pelly/stone
    Neil-smith-greening

    I could care less what you guys think about icing these forward lines, but if it happens then in my opinion were contenders. Make it happen.

    • OleHeaveHoFlipperoooni

      Doubt we get DSP & Bonino unless a lot more goes back to Ana. Unless they’re sympathetic to the hosing we sustained in the Bobby trade.

      • Tooks

        How did we get hosed? This should be interesting…

        • OleHeaveHoFlipperoooni

          2 1sts and Silf for Bobby??

          Come on!

          • Doc

            Yeah, I disagree with your assessment of that trade.

          • OleHeaveHoFlipperoooni

            Seemed rather impulsive after Alfie bounced. Shoulda waited might have been able to hang on to one of Silf, Noeson, or the 1st

          • Doc

            I do agree that it was part damage control, but Murray has been targeting Ryan for the last two seasons.

            They were asking for Zibby and Silf, so it ended up Silf, Noesen and a 1st.

          • OleHeaveHoFlipperoooni

            I’m pretty sure it was a package either involving:

            Zbad +,
            or Silf +

            Yp, he was either goin to Philly or coming here.

          • FistsofNeil25

            I remember that Murray said that Anaheim was asking for two of Zibanejad, Silfverberg, Cowen plus a 2nd.

            Murray talked them down to Silfverberg, Noeson and a 2nd but then after Alfie signed with Detroit and Murray called Anaheim back, they said they then wanted a 1st instead of a 2nd, so it became Silfverberg, Noeson and a 1st.

            That’s how Murray explained it I believe.

          • Doc

            Bingo.

          • Tooks

            Yep, Bobby had more value than those 3 and still does, Silf is a no show, Noesen is badly injured and the first wont be anything good.

  • OleHeaveHoFlipperoooni

    Don’t rush out to get your Nick Bonino or Chris Stewart jerseys. I don’t expect either to be an Ottawa Senator anytime soon. #Sens

    THANK GOD!

    Greening for Stewart??? Sure :) Be hoping for the Stewart that scored 28 for the Avs in 2009-10

    • MethotToMyMadness

      The Stewart of those days are long gone, and even Tim knows that, hence the reason he’s willing to move him.

      • OleHeaveHoFlipperoooni

        I thought so too. But,, when the lockout ended he scored 18 goals & 18 assists with STL in the shortened season. A full season of that pace nets him 30 both ways. Tops the 28. I don’t know what his injury was last season but he had 15 goals in 63 games counting the 5 games he played for Buff. That gives him 19 for a year if he plays the full 82. In 2011 he had 53 points in 62 games. All this said…. He’s sill only 26!!!!

        Fuckin right I’ll take him for a package involving Greening. Personally I really liked him as a player in Colorado. But I lost interest in keeping up with him, obviously falling off the radar to the top 6 STL can boast.

        His pace is MINIMUM a point every 2 games. Don’t give up Greener AND Prince, but Greening + something. I hope they keep talking

        Stewart – Smith – Neil :)

  • Sharmarke

    I dont think we are that far off. If we lower our asking price to just shattenkirk and 1st for spezza, that will give us a great top 4 if ceci continues his good play.

    Karlsson-Methot
    Shattenkirk-Ceci
    Gryba-Cowen

    Injuries / bad play / call ups: Phillips, Weircoch, Boro, Cleason

    Offer Stastny all the marbles and the promise of being the number 1 centre with Ryan on his side. 8 years 8.2 million per season. Nothing wrong with having one bad contract. Most teams have like 2 or 3 bad contracts.

    The offense would be something like this.

    MacArthur-Turris-Hoffman
    Greening – Statsny-Ryan
    Stone – Zibenajad-Puempel / Lazar
    Condra-Smith-Neil
    Injuries / call ups : Pageau, Da Costa

    Anderson
    Lehner

    The cap hit for this team would be lower then last year.

    Make methot captain. Expect Anderson to carry the load, he never had back to back bad season. Likewise never back to back good seasons. So we are due for a good season. Only two great teams in the east the bruins and the penguins. With this lineup we will allow atleast 50 goals less than last year. What does everyone think. Not out of the realm of possibility, trade spezza for shattenkirk and sign statsny to bad contract, thats the only way we can get him.

    • OleHeaveHoFlipperoooni

      Not bad, not bad. Just get Greening off that 2nd line!!! Unless 2nd year Greening, with Beast mode from the playoffs returns. And Rig for Gryba

      • FistsofNeil25

        I don’t remember this playoff beast mode that everyone keeps talking about.

        • OleHeaveHoFlipperoooni

          You’re actually right, the more I think about it. Was just 2 or 3 games he really brought it every shift. Which isn’t that uncommon to see in the playoffs

          • FistsofNeil25

            haha yeah. A few people have said this though it’s not just you. I’ve seen many people refer to him a playoff performer. He had 4 points in 10 games last year and 1 point in 7 games the year before.

            Condra had 7 points in 10 games last year. Playoff performer?

            Hell even Regin scored 3 goals against Pittsburgh a few years ago

          • Doc

            It’s not only about points.

            Greening was causing havoc on every shift and was a pain in every Habs ass.

            Yes, he was in beast mode, and it’s what got him his next contract.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Pageau was in beast mode..

          • Doc

            Who do you think made room for the kid?

          • FistsofNeil25

            Fuckin’ Condra who else? lol

          • Doc

            I want that on a T-Shirt with the Contra theme.

            Fuckin’ Condra

          • FistsofNeil25

            haha it would be a top seller at the Sens Store.

            Maybe with this on the front as well…

            http://mihockeynow.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/condra-headshot.jpg

          • Doc

            Yeah, just need to add that Contra bandanna.

          • RUSH RLZ

            T-Shirt Caption: “It’s fuckin’ Condra, dumbass!”

          • The Apostle

            he still reminds of eric stoltz in mask

          • OleHeaveHoFlipperoooni

            lmao

          • OleHeaveHoFlipperoooni

            The

            Greening – Pag – Condra line was money

          • Doc

            It was our best line on most nights!

          • Don Ciccio

            And yet were put together for like 2 whole minutes last year…..Still not sure what Maclean was on last year.

          • OleHeaveHoFlipperoooni

            Was bitching about this from Game one on,, Instead Fuckin Kassian skating around like a big dummy making Pageau look bad. Ridiculous

          • Doc

            Pageau was horrible to begin the season. He litteraly had the worst faceoff % in the league, and was all over the place.

            Who knows, they might end up being our third line next season.

          • Don Ciccio

            He was Ottawa’s best player in training camp and still got placed beside Kassian to start the year. I think it had more to do with Maclean wanting Smith as his 3rd line centre. Also, when Pageau got sent down they were saying that he had a minor shoulder injury that hampered his faceoff %.

          • Doc

            That could be the case. Since he went down, he was Bingo<s best player for large stretches.

            Pageau and DaCosta (if he stays in N-A) will be fighting for that 3C spot.

          • FistsofNeil25

            I actually would be quite alright if that were our 4th line next year, Smith gets bumped up to the third and Neil is used as the 13th forward.

          • Zelle

            I like this plan.

          • OleHeaveHoFlipperoooni

            TSN 1200 blew it up

          • Tooks

            Yep its just like Regin and Butler, LOL, playoff performers!

          • FistsofNeil25

            Pistol Pete and Bobby Bottle-Service!

          • Doc

            lol…

            “but, like, as they say, beautey is in the eye of cupholder as which 2 meen i can end u, bro, but i wont coz of like COMPASHION”

            Gotta love Bobby

          • FistsofNeil25

            I just had to google what that quote was from lol

          • Doc

            You can actually read it in his thick NJ accent lol.

    • Jakester

      I was liking what you were selling till u put Greening on the wing with Stastny and Ryan – then u lost me!

  • OleHeaveHoFlipperoooni

    Bruce Garrioch of the Ottawa Sun: The Senators had talked to the Sabres about Chris Stewart, but the Sabres were asking for one of the Senators top prospects, including Curtis Lazar.

    You got to be fucking kidding me. Tim’s trades should be “interesting”

    • Tooks

      Thats negotiations 101…

      • Doc

        Yep.

        Ask for the moon, get punched in the face.

        • Tooks

          Lazar is hardly the moon but yeah, ask for the best piece you can in hopes the other guy is an idiot, Tim thinks Bryan an idiot, maybe they can be added to the fight card!

          • RUSH RLZ

            LOL. Down talking Lazar as a prospect now? Turn off your Internet, you have lost.

          • Tooks

            Seems you already have, lol.

          • RUSH RLZ

            I don’t get it.

            To be honest I was expecting you to respond with your typical argument format something like, “Well he isn’t the MOON now is he? If he is the moon that what sort of offer would my favorite player #Kessel81 be?!”

          • The Apostle

            Oh that started at the draft when he said that we shouldn’t have picked Lazar even though he was top of our draft board at #17 because the teams in front of us hadn’t picked him.
            He was basically saying that the Senators should throw away their months of research on the draft class away if other teams didn’t rate lazar as highly as the players they picked.

          • TookieIs100PercentRight

            This org has massively pumped its prospcts the past few years. Silf was going to be a 30-goal god because he killed it in the SEL, Borowiecki was a Stevens in the making, Da Costa had Oates’ vision, now Tim Murray compared Lazar to Dustin Brown. This sort of tire-pumping isn’t useful, it makes expectations unrealistic and it makes them look foolish once the propsect doesn’t pan out

        • RUSH RLZ

          So Bryan should respond by offering a turd? Greening for Stewart!

        • aegiszx

          Right, because theres only a draft every 5 years. Yep, prospects dont come along every year. We trade away Lazar and we’ll never draft again…

          • Doc

            What?

    • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

      Unreal… I really hope b Murray doesn’t get Stewart and the Murray ends up stuck with him.

    • ProfessorPower

      Giving up a top Prospect for Stewart would be a horrible idea. At most we should be looking to give up prospects like Prince in a package with a roster player (Greening or Condra). Hoffman and Wiercioch/Gryba are the other three prospects id consider moving for Stewart dependent on what they are packaged with.

      And im one of the few that want Stewart on Ottawa

    • wild bill

      Garrioch wouldn’t trade a hotdog for Stewart

      • Doc

        Can’t trade what you already ate.

        • Pasalacqua

          A league executive said that Tim wanted mustard on the hot dog, a price that Garrioch was not willing to pay.

    • MethotToMyMadness

      Tim is obviously starting off any negotiations as high as possible. And I’m sure he asked for Lazar, because he’s got a major man crush on this kid. From the Senators org, Lazar is what I think the Org would consider, an untouchable. We haven’t specifically used that term in awhile, but I think it’s almost certain with him.

  • Kielbasa

    It shouldn’t come as a surprise that Hemsky will be moving on elsewhere. With Ottawa looking to take a big step backwards in its rebuild, Ottawa has very little to offer that is enticing for players to want to stay or join this organization these days. Why would Hemsky stick around if it appears that we will have one second line and a couple 3rd lines this upcoming season? Hell, we couldn’t even muster a complete line for Spezza to play on until the near end of the season.

    And Bryan should stay clear of any dealing with Tim, as it is clear that Tim is going to try and squeeze way too much out of the Sens. Unrealistic requests from Buffalo.

    • RUSH RLZ

      I agree on your stance with Tim 100%, obviously this has quickly become an exercise in asinine frustration.

      Don’t agree with your roster assessment though. We could put together at least 5 very solid third lines!

      • Tooks

        YES! 3rd lines FTW!

  • thepez

    It’s quite amusing to read all the panic on this site. Even you, Chirp, disappointed me with your negativity, but looks like you are back to normal today. Let’s look back to July 5th, 2013. Alfie announces he is leaving the Sens for the Wings. All of us were about as down as I have ever seen it. Then there is an announcement that the Sens have signed Clarke MacArthur. What a horrible signing we all exclaimed. What a joke that MacArthur would replace the great Alfie. Minutes later the trade for Bobby Ryan is made and things settle down. How many of us now think that MacArthur was a bad acquisition?
    Point being before everyone jumps to conclusions lets give BM a chance to keep the build going. Hemskey is not a 5.5 million player. Not even close. He may have put up good numbers with the Sens but in 40% of the games he was invisible, just like he has been his entire career. The last thing we need is a Clarkson type of deal for a lazy player. Has nothing to do with Eugene and the budget.

    • Doc

      Not sure who you are referring to, but some of us acclaimed MacArthur’s acquisition, so don’t lump us all together.

      Loved the trade at the time, love it even more now. Now, the people that want Grabo want him for the same reason we wanted MacA.

      • thepez

        Actually it wasn’t a trade but I know what you mean. I’m talking about the majority of Sens fans were pissed at the time. Hell even BM said he didn’t really know that he was that good.

        • Doc

          Overreacting is what most do at this time of year, which is why I hate it with a passion.

          3 weeks left my friend! All of this will soon go away.

          • thepez

            Not if nothing is done with the “big 5″ That what’s scares me. This might go on all summer….Which is a scary thought. Thank God for the RedBlacks

          • Doc

            16 000 season tickets already sold! That’s just crazy.

            In regards to the Sens, I think most of this will be dealt with before or at the draft.

          • Senatollah

            would hope so, since they only have 8 home games a year. Fun math time. 8 home games, 16,000 tickets at $40/ticket would be $5.12M. Salary cap is around $4m. So profit $1m. How much did the new stadium cost?

          • Sens-fan-in-mtl

            what about concessions? that is where real money is being made.

            here is some math, how much is the profit margin on a $10 beer?

          • Tooks

            You guys do know there wont be a CFL season right?

          • RUSH RLZ

            The league gets $40M per year just for the TV rights….

          • Garrioch’s reliable source

            RB’s / Blue Jays / soccer World Cup / Canadian tennis players

            all good relief from the Senators histrioncs

          • FistsofNeil25

            #TeamGenie

          • RUSH RLZ

            Canadian tennis players not so much, at least not this week. ;)

          • The Apostle

            Replace your first this with any and I think you might be on to something

          • Doc

            Touché.

    • RUSH RLZ

      Nicely done. *slow clap*. Don’t entirely agree with your Hemsky assessment though.

    • Tooks

      Thats some positive stuff but tell me, how did the season go?

      • thepez

        As you know it was up and down. Let’s take a look at how they did against some of the top teams. In the west they beat St.Louis twice, split with the Hawks, came back from 3-0 down to the Kings to get a point and had the 7th best record against the East. Missed the playoffs by 5 points. Yes I know, woulda, coulda, shoulda and if the queen had balls she would be a king. But I guess my point is after watching the Rangers, Habs, etc.. they are not that far away from being a top Eastern division team.
        I guess living through the early Sens years and the Rough Riders, makes me look at the positive side of things and that the doom and gloom everyone is predicting I just don’t see.

        • Tooks

          Thats because you have rose coloured glasses on…
          The reality is, that season was a complete mess, with the assets we acquired and the rookies and sophmores supposedly getting better, this team was poised, no no, sorry SUPPOSED to do MUCH more, yet they fell flat on their face.

          • thepez

            I’ll try and take them off for you. I think that the expectations were so unrealistic that a young team like this one had issues. Only time will tell. Sometimes you need to take a few steps back before you can move forward. Plus with the parity in the NHL there are no more guarantees. Look at Tampa. The year after they made it to the ECF, they missed the playoffs in the shorten season. This year they were challenging for a long period of time for first overall.

    • runningbear1974

      I agree with you… Until we don’t sign Ryan…Or trade away Karlsson for nothing… Or do anything stupidly drastic, then whining and crying is premature… Oh no it’s the end of the world… To me, the future looks extremely bright, a hell of a lot brighter than the past…
      I agree about hemsky, what we saw is the best he will ever play, after this moment he can only let us down… He’s got nowhere higher to go… I don’t like these medium entitled players…

    • sprucesens

      yes, but a huge deal is about to happen to our team. The spezza deal may effect this team drastically for the next 5+ years. If we get little to no value, or pursue unproven players only, we may wind up with absolutely nothing to show for a PPG 1C, which will be terrible. But if we get back actual good assets, then most people won’t be so worried. Also, a lot of changes could happen depending on what we do with our surplus of Dmen, and any UFA’s we sign. I would almost argue that this year’s Draft/UFA will be bigger than last year’s. And that is saying something, when you lose your franchise Captain and acquire Ryan in 1 day. Very interesting times ahead

  • MethotToMyMadness

    Seen the twitter pic of the Spezza sale jersey, I’m sure everyone is expecting it, so better to knock them off at half price and sell them for something, before then end up in the $10 bin. Folks, I think the Spezza deal is all but done, it’s just a matter of where he goes and who comes back.

    I agree we don’t need a Clarkson type of Deal in Ottawa, but I honestly wouldn’t mind a Clarkson type of player at about 3, 3.5 Mil. For some reason, Clarkson ends up in TO and becomes a shell of his former self, and much of it has to do with the hype and contract he received. He was being proclaimed as the next Wendel Clark. Clarkson has some skills but he ain’t Clark!! He needs to fall back down to earth a little and get back to being the gritty 2 way guy he was in Jersey. After all, that’s the guy Toronto was signing, not this other guy that showed up. They also wanted him for the Playoff performance, but that didn’t happen either, lol. If Clarkson stays in TO, I think we’ll all see a different player next season, with less expectations on him.

    As for Grabo, I’m all for a guy like him being brought in as our 1b C, I think he’s a great gritty player that can score goals, get under the skin of players and he just seems like the kinda guy we could use for a year or two.

    • Doc

      FYI, the jerseys have been on sale since the season ended. You can also get a Ryan jersey also at 50% off. Not related to the imminent Spezza trade.

      • MethotToMyMadness

        Oh really, I haven’t been in the Sports stores in awhile.

        • Doc

          Not the authentic ones, but still a good deal!

          Would love a white heritage Ryan jersey!

          • MethotToMyMadness

            I agree. Or even the Neil one would rock!

          • FistsofNeil25

            He’s going to switch over to #9 once Milo is officially gone so don’t buy that jersey just yet!

          • MethotToMyMadness

            And that’s when he gets back to his 30, maybe 40, goal seasons!! ;)

          • Zelle

            No way you have to get both.

    • bluebuyyoo

      The named heritage jerseys have been on 50% sale at Sports Experts for some time. Besides Spezza, I saw Neil, Ryan and a couple of others.

  • Chadillac

    Out of curiosity, if the Sens were able to get a 1st rounder this year as part of a Spezza deal, anyone have any sleeper picks they would want?

    • Doc

      Depending on the return for Spezza, I’d flip it back in another trade to be honest.

      • Chadillac

        Why go for a pick then? You’d rather have two prospects and a player in a Spezza deal?

        • Doc

          If possible, yes of course.

          I want a good top 4 more than anything that has been rumoured.

    • The Apostle

      i base my draft wants on whether I find their name amusing and the projected first round looks very weak.

  • Mathieu Gorman

    I’m just glad that we’re stepping away from Michalek, Spezza and Hemsky. All 3 are great players but Michalek has always been injured, Spezza lacks leadership and is very expensive and Hemsky is declining and sure he was great in Ottawa but he was also playing for a new contract. I don’t know if the Sens are serious about Callahan but I’m confident it would bring much needed leadership. Thoughts?

    • FistsofNeil25

      I’d take Callahan at $4 000 000 – $4 500 000 tops. Anything more than that is an overpayment. He’s supposedly seeking 6M per season and that’s just nasty. Even the Rangers balked at those salary demands and he was their captain. It shows how much they truly valued his leadership – not much.

      • Sandy

        Rumour is he wants around 6.5M

      • WaitingSince92

        Think we have to always keep in mind that players will leak their “advertised” price, which is often half a million to a million more than they think they should get.

        Also have to keep in mind a rising cap. A player earning $5m, 8 years ago of higher calibre [yeah, that's how I spell it] than a player earning the same amount today. Even 2 or 3 years ago, it was a different situation.

        The cap teams and stupid GMs push salaries up signing players, ultimately for all teams.

    • spezzerman

      The Rangers sure dont miss his leadership…

      • Tooks

        Well no they got St.Louis’ leadership in return…

    • Rafi Bomb

      His price tag is high but I like his style of play. I am not sure if overpaying for him will be really worth it. If we wanted we could pick up a similar player via free agency such as Dave Bolland, Steve Ott or Steve Downie. None are as good as Callahan but they do bring a lot of the same intangibles and wouldn’t cost nearly as much.

      Another alternative is to target a player via trade such as Scott Hartnell, Brayden Schenn, Wayne Simmonds, Andrew Ladd, James Neal, Curtiss Glencross or Mike Richards. Again all these players have varying price tags but could make a good impact on the Sens, bring some of those intangibles and not cost quite as much or have as big of a cap hit.

  • sensfan4ever

    So its Turris for captain time ;)

    Attaboy Kyle !!

    • Senatollah

      didnt Pierre McGuire on the TSN1200 radio say Pierre McGuire will be captain of the sens, GM of the Pens and NBC color analyst all at the same time

    • FistsofNeil25

      I think Turris is probably the front-runner right now to be the of the team for the future, but I don’t know if that’s a move that should be made this season. I’d like to see him just focus on his new role as the undisputed #1 center of this team without the added pressure and responsibilities of being the team’s captain.

      • RUSH RLZ

        Exactly. Kinda quiet kid, not entirely unlike Spezza, he doesn’t need to be crushed with expectations like Giggles did. I would be happy if he just didn’t regress this year…

      • Tooks

        I think Phillips will get the C for his 2 years then its either Methot, if he’s still here, if not then probably Karlsson or CMac if he’s still here. Turris cant even handle playing 1C at the moment, burdening him with even more expectations and responsability will crush him.

        • sprucesens

          agree with most, other than the turris not handling 1C. He has been for 2 years now, and has been our best forward during that stretch. Which has been the majority of his time on the sens. Not sure I see any argument to support him struggling. And I know you will say you want more points. Well, 10 more points, could even be secondary assists, puts him up in the elite player category. Sounds crazy, but toews had 68pts, kane 69, with 2-3 more goals a piece. No one will argue both of those players are elite. yes they played less games than turris this year, but they also did so on a top team that was routinely killing other teams, and are a known offensive powerhouse, probably the best in the league. But anyways, 10 more points could easily have come if his line was used in the OT’s and dieing minutes when we needed goals, instead of the GSN line. To me he has 1C written all over him, and is developing as one of the top 2 way C’s in the league. And even better, he goes underappreciated by all the other teams, which just allows him to do even better.

          • Tooks

            You forget to mention that Kane and Toews plays in the absurdedly, disastrous, hard as nails Western conference…Where as Turris plays in the powder puff, cucpcake, cookies & cream Eastern conference…

          • sprucesens

            I knew there was no way I could premptively cover all your bases for arguing, lol. I still think the west vs. east mentality is a little bit overblown. Just because the top offensive guys are in the east, its presumed they are more run and gun style, while the west has all the bigger players that play “hard”. I’m pretty sure every team in the league plays big and hard, short a few teams here and there. I’m sure if you look at average size across all teams, there will be very minimal difference for most.

          • WaitingSince92

            “I knew there was no way I could premptively cover all your bases for arguing”

            You thought Tooks was just going to post “I concede, sir. Good point”?

          • Rafi Bomb

            Look at the way teams like Anaheim, LA, St Louis, San Jose and to a lesser extent Chicago are built.

            The East tends to be a lot smaller and a lot softer. That is part of the reason why Boston is able to dominate the conference.

        • FistsofNeil25

          You actually have no idea what you’re talking about. Neil is obviously going to be named captain for the next two years and then elite world-class player Curtis Lazar is going to be given the “C” with Turris and Cowen as his assistants.

          • Tooks

            Puff puff pass…

          • FistsofNeil25

            Maybe we should just give the captaincy to the Lehner.

          • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

            Whoa now… He is already going to go 82-0 next year and win the rocket Richard trophy…. First goalie to do it ever!

          • Tooks

            Nah its been done already. Maybe when Lehner is playing back up he can play 1-2-3 and 4 C.

        • runningbear1974

          I really hope not… Phillips is not a leader… He doesn’t know what it takes to win… I want someone who can show by example how to play the game… I want Phillips off the team because he’s more likely to teach bad habits rather than good habits…

          • Tooks

            Well in that case we dont have an option, cuz we dont have anyone that knows what it takes to win, nobody on our roster has won anything in the NHL.

            So no Captain…BUT I dont see the Sens doing that so its gonna be Phillips. Especially after the Alfie and Spezza fiasco’s.

          • runningbear1974

            choosing Phillips doesn’t reduce the fiascos… It had another fiasco to the pile…

        • Jakester

          You’re a dope, TUrris already has scored some our most important goals! He’s the Sens big game player!

        • WaitingSince92

          Hmmm, arguing against something that has already been proven. Just because he’s not the league’s best 1C doesn’t mean he aint a 1C.

          Usually I see where you’re coming from Tookie, but I expect better than this.

      • A-Train

        Thing is I’ve never heard the organization mention Turris as part of its leadership group. Things do change though.

      • Jakester

        Why not, once Spezza is gone I’d name TUrris!

    • Jason Spezza

      I’m not dead yet

      • Jakester

        Yeah you are, and hopefully your return will surpass my expectations!

    • Tooks

      Haha Turris wont be Captain for awhile.

    • Rafi Bomb

      Based on the current roster my guess is that Lazar becomes the next captain. The guy is pure character and has the same leadership qualities as guys like Mike Richards, Dustin Brown and Jonathan Toews. I think they would probably rotate A’s for most of the season but I see Lazar as being the best bet contingent on his on ice performance.

      • Don Ciccio

        The Captain of the team whether it be this year or when Phillips retires will be E. Karlsson and you can take that to the bank. You always make your superstar player the captain or else suffer the risk of your superstar wanting out.

  • Luke McQueen

    Was looking at the free agent list and because i still have faith in Zib for 2C I was looking at Left wingers. J.Jokinen and Penner were the two I was most interested in. Both I think would look good on Zibs wing with either Stone or Ryan on the right. As for the bottom six, anyones guess. Maybe:

    Mac – Turris – Ryan/Stone
    Penn/Jokinen – Zib – Stone/Ryan
    Puemple – Smith – Hoffman
    Greening – Pageau – Condra/Neil
    (Lasar)
    Not a terrible line up but also not taking into account anything we might get back in the Spezza trade. For the record, I would like to get a D in that trade and/or pick up Boyle for a year or two.

    • RUSH RLZ

      Good God. The day Pancakes Penner retires, I will rejoice just
      because I will be able to finally get over the fear of the Sens possibly
      signing him…

      • Luke McQueen

        Really?! He has all the tools and has been dominant during stretches in the past. Last year alone he had 32 points in 49 games with the ducks before going to the wasteland that is Washington.. Not too bad. Is it just work ethic, lack of speed, what is it you don’t like? I’m honestly curious.

        • sprucesens

          to me he is just like latendresse with a bit more scoring luck. he’ll basically be like having a slower version of this year’s michalek.

        • Tooks

          He’s one of the softest big men in the NHL, he’s constantly injured, he cant skate and doesnt work hard. But you pretty much covered those bases yourself.

          • sprucesens

            although, him and Anderson might have interesting topics of conversation. ” I hear you had a food injury…?”

          • WaitingSince92

            zing

          • Luke McQueen

            Fair enough. Don’t think Maclean could motivate him? What is the consensus on jokinen?

          • RUSH RLZ

            Thanks for covering in my absence Tooks, and this is one of those eerie situations where we agree. Whoa!

      • Tooks

        Yeah no to Penner…

  • SensChirp

    Islanders just picked up Dan Boyle’s rights. Will be interesting to see if he actually signs there.

    http://islanders.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=721899

    • Doc

      I’m kinda hoping he does. :/

    • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

      Interesting

    • Mat

      Probably not but if that reduces the chances of us signing him, that would be great…

  • Doc

    Here’s a fun one. One of my favourite player:

    Follow JJ on Twitter @jaeckel!

    Heard from my top source just now: the names Patrick Sharp, Nick Leddy and Johnny Oduya are in play, with the Hawks looking to add size at forward and help at center.

    • Pasky

      If that’s true, a Sharp for Thorton deal might make sense for both teams. Hopefully it happens so that the Sens can have more suitors for Spezza lol

      • Doc

        I was actually hoping we could land Sharp.

        He can score and plays a complete game, and would thrive under MacLean system.

        Oh to dream!

    • WaitingSince92

      That makes enough sense from Chicago’s point of view. Sharp took a long time to really get moving these playoffs and there’s the distinct possibility that Leddy’s trade value could be peaking. Oduya is a solid vet D but can be moved because of their depth (although I can’t see them moving Leddy AND Oduya).

      We could certainly benefit from the services of ANY of these 3 players.

      • Tooks

        Sharp has NTC, he wont waive to come to Ottawa. The others, not sure.

    • FistsofNeil25

      If Sharp is in play then it must be because of the emergence of Brandon Saad. I doubt Sharp would waive his NTC to come to Ottawa but maybe they move him in a separate deal, and then send some kind of package involving Leddy and a good young forward to Ottawa for Spezza.

      Bickell-Toews-Kane
      Saad-Spezza-Hossa

      I’ll take Leddy and Teravainen for Spezza please. Done deal

  • Hax

    In Murray we trust. Thanks Chirp for giving us all a place to wring our collective hands though. Necessary and cathartic for fans I think.

    • Doc

      Wanna fight?

      • Hax

        Ha. I haven’t read the whole board from the other day but saw some of the drama that Chirp tweeted out.

        • Doc

          ;)

  • Sandy

    I read Yost on HB quite often.

    There was a comment on his article today from a Bruins fan on the state of the Sens.

    Interesting to say the least. It is a long comment should you care to read a perspective from a non-Sens fan.
    ——

    Senators fans, you seriously need to STOP undervaluing Jason Spezza. He’s gone, I think we’ve all accepted that this is a foregone conclusion, but someone will pay dearly for him. Bonino + 10th overall? That’s bonkers! Vanek went from the Sabres to the Islanders for Moulsen, a 1st and a 2nd. He was a 30 year old rental and they paid that much for him! You don’t think someone will pay at LEAST that amount for Spezza? Yes, yes, I know it was the Islanders, but all you need to drive trade returns in pro sports are at least 2 interested teams.

    Murray wants a player, prospect, and a 1st for Spezza? He’ll get it.

    Secondly, stop overvaluing other teams players. You might think a guy like Shattenkirk is untouchable to the Blues, but if you’re a St Louis fan, what would you rather have, a #3 defenseman, or a #1 centre??? Shattenkirk is worth more to Ottawa than Spezza is, and Spezza is worth more to St Louis than Shattenkirk is. Now I’m not saying they’re definitely going to trade for Kevin Shattenkirk, but I’ll bet you he’s high on the list of guys the Senators want, and I think there’s a trade to be made with St Louis for him involving Spezza, and I think the return coming back will be pleasantly surprising to most of you chicken little’s.

    Here’s a dose of reality. The Ottawa Senators are a MUCH better team than last season showed. Their goaltending is much better than the season stats showed. They scored the 11th most goals in the league last year despite the fact that Bobby Ryan was hurt, despite the fact that Michalek was a no-show, despite the fact that most of their guys had a completely unexpected regression, but these are in no way indicative of what they are going forward. Ryan, healthy, on a line with Turris and MacArthur, will DOUBLE his totals from this season. Turris is on the upswing. MacArthur is exponentially better than he was ever given credit for being. If healthy, in an 82 game season, you’ve got a first line with a 40 goal guy and two 30 goal guys. You can certainly make the argument that there’s a dropoff there, but that’s almost every team. Stone and Zibanejad and potentially 3 or 4 other guys could come out of nowhere to get 20 this year. Scoring is NOT an issue.

    Defense is, but there’s also no indication that they will be so bad this year. Karlsson is outstanding, a full season of Wiercioch is more than acceptable. Methot is a reasonable #3-#4. Ceci-Phillips-Gryba, limited minutes against grinders so they can’t get hurt often. It remains to be seen what Cowen is, but I do NOT think he is the player he was last year. I think he’ll be a much more reliable player this year. So they need a defenseman, and a top pair one at that. Fine. So Ottawa goes out and gets one. Budget or no budget, they have a minimum they NEED to spend to. They need contracts, especially if Michalek and Spezza are coming off the books, and Hemsky isn’t there to replace part of it.

    So, the forwards are good. The defense falls back into line with what they ACTUALLY are. The goaltending returns to form. Without changes, I think they’re a 5-8 seed already. Add a competent partner for Karlsson, and they improve on that. It’s not like they’re in an ultra-tough division after all. Buffalo and Florida and Toronto are jokes, Tampa and Detroit are probably due to regress a bit, so outside of Boston and Montreal, who else do they have to compete with??

    I predict the Senators to finish with the 5 or 6 seed this year with the lineup they have NOW. They just need to play to the level they’re capable of. They’ve proven before than they can.

    Stop being so damn negative about your own team. Change is inevitable. Change does not equate to poor performance. You guys make it seem like these career hockey guys, from management to coaches to players, have no clue what they’re doing. They’re in the NHL, obviously they do. Sit back, watch what happens, and be critical if the time comes when the on-ice performance doesn’t line up with your own REASONABLE expectations. Don’t crucify them for what happened this past season. Stop living in the past. Next year looks pretty alright for the Senators in my opinion.

    • A-Train

      Lots of knowledge for a non-Sens fan.

    • Zelle

      A lot of Bruins fans have a lot of respect for our team and like the Senators. I’m personally not too worried about the team yet. Last season was disappointing but on good nights we saw what they’re capable of.

      With the current roster, less penalties, and more puck clearing out of the defensive zone, I expect a playoff spot, maybe 8th or 7th place. It could very well be higher depending on who they are signing and getting for Spezza.

      • Sandy

        I hope most of the Sens D are watching the playoffs this season. Maybe they can learn something about how to clear a puck from the D zone.

        • Zelle

          Not just that but I hope they take the off season seriously. So far I haven’t heard anything except from JGP about training, which concerns me a little, but I guess they deserve some time off.

    • sprucesens

      its a very decent post. I’ve tried to say similar things a few times now. We won’t be getting scraps for spezza. It just won’t happen. We will get what murray wants or there won’t be a trade to that team, very simple. While he makes the point that we should be good if players play to what they are capable of, the same should have happened last year, so lets hope what they are capable of, is in fact much more than that. But like I said below, the return on spezza is KEY to what this team looks like for the next 5 years plus. The return affects so many other moving pieces and our lineups, we won’t have seen this much change in a long time. spezza, michalek, hemsky, and 1 or 2 of our D likely gone, with likely 3 pcs back for spezza, one may be a pick, and likely 1 new piece on D. That’s a big turn around. Let alone if we trade some bottom 6 guys like condra or greening or neil and so on. Exciting times

    • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

      Thanks for posting that

    • jtf927

      well said. very well said.

    • Rafi Bomb

      I don’t think there is as big of an issue of what he is worth but more so what teams are willing to pay for him.

      I hear fans claiming that Spezza isn’t worth Backes, Oshie or Shattenkirk. Personally I don’t think they know what they are talking about. Spezza is worth any one of those players plus something else substantial. However, while he is worth that, St Louis may simply not want to part with those players and therefore don’t make the trade. Essentially a trade can be of fair value but not make sense to one party from a strategic standpoint.

      • Tooks

        See, your dancing on a doube bladed sword, fans here are all making the same mistake, you all want Spezza out because of his lack of leadership, soft play and no grit, then you turn around and say Spezza is def worth Backes, lol.

        The exact type of player/s you want to replace Spezza with here. Well other teams also like those hard nosed, leadership type players, especially the Blues, Kings.

        Spezza wont fit in their system as he doesnt fit in ours.

        The only players I see the Blues moving for Spezza is surplus, Berglund, Pajaarvi, Shattenkirk.

        • Rafi Bomb

          I agree with you in principal but you need to factor in the early playoff loss and its effects on player security. Normally the Blues would never consider moving a player like Oshie or Backes, but the team was expected to contend and possibly win a cup this season. The owners even apologized to the fans and stated that they would be making changes to move closer to attaining the goal of winning the cup. With their GM and coach staying in place, that means that key roster players could possibly be moved. They may be much more open to moving a player like Backes or Oshie for Spezza then they would have been in the past. Therefore I feel that that kind of trade might be a distinct possibility.

    • peetypuck

      Excellent reading, Sandy. Thanx.

    • Tooks

      Its not a bad post but he is clearly overvaluing Spezza, Spezza wont bring back a top 3 FW or a top 2 D. Yes, we will get a roster player + prospect + a pick but they will be mid range type players.

      IF Murray decides he doesnt want those 3 things, he can surely lower his return to only 1 of the 3 or 2 of the 3 and get better players.

    • Miguel

      Hallafukinglulha!!! Thank you for posting Sandy… it take a non Sens fan to explain to us what we really have in Spezza, and that he is NOT the problem on this team.
      For those who want him gone… welcome to the boring hockey of 15 shot games, and 2-0 losses!

    • CR Sens

      Tooks isn’t bashing this one?

  • Sandy

    Apparently Boston is looking to trade Marchand. Would Murray move his desire to acquire Stewart to his desire to acquire Marchand?

    • Pasky

      Got a source for that one? I’d hate if the Sens trade for him just cause I hate him as a player lol

      • Sandy

        I read it somewhere yesterday but can’t remember where…

        • Rafi Bomb

          Multiple sources are claiming it. I could see it as a possibility if he wasn’t playing for a divisional rival.

          With that said, if we are going to pay a premium for a gritty top six forward via trade I would rather target Wayne Simmonds.

    • Zelle

      Maybe he and Condra can relate and become friends over missing empty netters…

      • aegiszx

        Condra is a special teams expert… At least Marchand is a consistent 20+ goal scorer… almost 30… I do wish Condra and Greening were a bit meaner though and played with more of an edge like Neiler.

    • Tooks

      Damn that would be amazing for us but what would we have to give up for Marchand I wonder…

      • FistsofNeil25

        lol if he’s actually on the trade block I think Chiarelli will ship him far far away from the Atlantic division. He would be a welcome edition to our new found rivalry with Montreal

  • Sandy

    Will Dan Boyle sign with the Islanders rather than trying free agency to see what is out there? Detroit could look to bring him in.

  • Harv

    I’ve been going over hundreds of comments on this site for the past few weeks and we Senator fans really do have to cool our jets in my opinion. If I was a young sprout I would have said IMO.

    I have a little more faith in Murray than some people here and, perhaps, a little less than a few people here. I just do not see the Senators trundling down the road to doom. Murray has put some good players in the system and there are a lot of options going forward. I liked the Greening signing when it happened but the guy has turned into a slug. If he stays with Ottawa I hope he can get his mojo back. But, you have to judge Murray on the knowledge at the time he made his decisions not with one year hindsight. The same goes for Chara. He looked slow and out of it in the playoffs and there were very few people who would have kept him over Redden.

    I don’t know why Murray signed Phillips. Maybe it was a charity move. Phillips will pay the price by destroying his reputation over the next two years. If McLean plays him too much then McLean will reveal that he is not the coach we thought he was. But, until then, let’s see what goes down.

    And, some of the proposed lineups that have been posted here. Come on guys. Many have been based on trades and moves that are impossible or so unlikely that if Murray was spending more than a few minutes on them, we would really hammer him.

    A few things we do not need IMO. Old, tired guys who are in the twilight. We have one in Phillips and that is enough. Spezza. I hate to say it but he just never brought to the table what you need in today’s game. As a second line guy maybe, but not as your star player.

    This team needs to point to the new core. Karlson, Turris, MacArthur, Ryan, Methot in that order. These guys are the New Senators and they are all great. Let’s stop the fear mongering that all or most of these guys are ready to jump the ship. Make them the core – they will embrace it.

    I just do not buy that our owner is going to sit by while his main investment goes up in smoke. He has said numerous times that the money will be there. In the meantime, if I was he, I would not just throw my money at every idea that came by – like Kovalev.

    This is going to be an exciting summer for Senator’s fans. There is going to be a lot to discuss and look forward to, trades, signings. You can see the glass as half empty or half full. I am picking half full and looking forward to the coming year.

    • Rafi Bomb

      Greening needs to grow some balls. Ryane Clowe claimed that Greening is the strongest guy in the league, now while that might be an exaggeration he could still be one of the strongest guys in the league. Considering his size, strength and speed he has zero edge to his game. He doesn’t have the first idea about how to play mean or nasty so he is just a big softy out there. It is a similar situation with Boyle in NYR; all that size and he doesn’t do anything with it.

      If we end up being stuck with Greening then he needs to find a way to become a psycho on the ice. He needs to dig down deep inside and find some authentic hatred and then he needs to take that hatred to the ice. He needs to want to destroy people with hits, he has to want to go out there and intimidate. That should be his number 1 priority this off season as it is his best bet to become valued by management, the coaching staff, his team mates and the fans.

      it just goes to show how you can’t develop an edge in a player, you need to have players that have always played that way. That is a big part of the reason why we are where we are. Murray has filled the team with guys that can play but don’t have a high compete level or edge and then he has tried to elicit that from the players. I think he has now realized the fault in that strategy and is now emphasizing players that are hyper competitive and hyper aggressive. It might take a while but eventually we will have a team full of those guys and then we will be right up there with a team like the Kings.

      • Harv

        I agree. Greening was a great disappointment. I thought he would be the strong forward we needed but he has no drive from his gut. If he develops it though he could be what we need. I am giving him half a year. If nothing develops he is on my slag heap again.

        • Rafi Bomb

          From my understanding Murray has tried to move both him and Condra multiple times last season but didn’t have any success. I could see both potentially getting shipped out at the draft as some teams might want to restructure their bottom six.

      • FistsofNeil25

        Yeah the guy has all the tools but her doesn’t have the mentality to put them all together. It’s unfortunate because he could be a pretty effective player in this league.

        He’s not going to get by in this league using his stick skills or hockey sense because he doesn’t have much of either. He needs to use the tools he has otherwise he’s completely useless.

        That’s way he was this last season – utterly useless.

    • Jordan

      Muray does have the tendacy to pull off some crazy trades that blindside us all.

      I think hes gonna shock us all and trade spezza for players we didnt even expect.

      I was also starting to follow the crowd and make up random trade scenerios. Im just gonna lay off now and wait to see what happens. I think alot of us are undervaluing the return we could get for spezz. Only time will though.

    • Mat

      Thanks for sharing your thoughts Harv. Refreshing to have an optimistic and chill reflection on the team.

      While I do believe that the Sens are two moves away from either contention or disaster, I too have complete faith in Murray. People seem to also forget that before Melnyk ever got all “budget” on our asses, Murray was already a budget conscious GM, who never overpaid for players, and followed a philosophy of building from within. And I do believe that when the team will be in a position to contend, Melnyk will open up his wallet and do what is needed.

      I don’t know what happen to our fan base in the last couple weeks either.. Are we fuelling the sports writers and bloggers with negativity or is it the other way around? All I know is that I can’t wait for the draft and free agency so that our conversations turn to facts rather than fiction. Hopefully people will be optimistic then as well.

      Hope to see more of your comments in the future.

    • peetypuck

      You know the way kids are before Christmas. Well, to hockey fans our Christmas is only three weeks away and we can’t wait to see what’s under the Sen’s Christmas tree. Will Santa Murray bring us a 1st round pick this year or will we get a veteran d-man or forward? I can’t wait to find out.

  • jtf927

    it is going to definitely be an interesting summer in Ottawa and for the sens. it will be tense, but it will also be exciting. while we are losing alot of players (spezza, michalek, and hemsky), we will alot of good young players filling out the ranks. this will also be a great opportunity to acquire some power and hard nosed players and shore up our d. Brian Murray is a genius when it comes to identifying talent and the needs of our team. BM is one of the smartest men in hockey. i am eagerly awaiting the draft.

  • Sensturion

    Incredibly off topic and I’m sorry for that but…

    Apparently we have the option to head to the polls on June 12th and check off on the ballot that we choose to NOT vote. With Hudak suddenly stating that Ottawa won’t be getting any funding past phase 1 of the LRT, it’s gotten to the point where were screwed no matter who wins.

    I’m tempted to check off that I abstain from voting and it would almost be worth it to see no one win this garbage election because every leader is dillusional…

    Not back to your regularly scheduled off-season depression mode hockey talk…

    • I’m just sayin’

      I’m voting for Tookie – he has all the answers

      • Jakester

        You’d be getting a Torontocentric opinion again if you voted for Tookie, he’s Rob Ford on harder drugs!

        • Tooks

          Rob Ford rocks, come on, guys brings a ton of comedy into the dull humour-less world of politics, lol.

          • Jakester

            He’s actually pathetic, just like the Maple Laughs.

          • peetypuck

            You voted for yourself? lol

    • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

      I have every intention of declining my vote… And if I’m not mistaken it isn’t as simple as clicking a box on the card… Megan would have the province admitting outright that they expect a lot of people to chose that option

    • peetypuck

      I don’t think Eugene will be voting Liberal considering Watson and Chiarelli are on his top-2 “wanted: dead or alive” poster (metaphorically speaking). lol

    • Aaron 2.0

      I’ve mentioned before that I’m a political junckie as much as hockey junkie (in truth actually more of a political junkie). I also live in Ontario, and somehow never new this (maybe because the choices have never been this bad). But, to get to the point, I follow a blog called 308 pretty religiously. The guy is a statistician that runs seat projections based on polling data. A commenter on his latest post had this to say, if you’re leaning in that direction (abstaining to vote).

      “Hey Peter, I’m a poll clerk in the upcoming election. To decline your ballot, you can either hand back your ballot as soon as you are given it, stating that you wish to decline your ballot, or you can take the ballot, go behind the voting screen, mark nothing, and go back to the table and declare that you wish to decline your ballot. Once you declare that, the DRO will mark “declined” on the back of your ballot, and it will be placed in its own envelope (specifically reserved for declined ballots). The poll clerk will then add a comment to the list of electors that you have declined your ballot. It is counted separately than spoiled and regular ballots. In effect, it’s voting none of the above.”

      If you feel like there’s no good choice, this may be the way to go. You’re still participating in the voting process, which is important, I think (so many people wish they could vote freely around the world).

      • Tooks

        Wouldnt that be something if the majority voted “None of the above” haha, probably what this idiotic government needs, a swift kick in the ass.

    • TookieIs100PercentRight

      Voting for Wynne myself. I work in the public service (medical services) and don’t want to lose my job so…and I want my LRT concluded as well. Hudak comes off as incredibly sterile and robotic and his math is way out there so…

  • jimmyjohnson

    Senschirp

    Can you please start a new thread about the floundering “go with the O” campaign?

    I’m so sick of these jerseys. We need to get management to take notice and your site is a pretty good starting spot.

    • ExZen

      Love the O jerseys, nicest ones we’ve had since the 2d Centurian logo.

    • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

      The O jerseys are BY far the nicest ones we have had ever imho.

      • Tooks

        Hate the O Jersey, no creativity at all, plus we suck when we wear em, lol.

        • Dirk-Diggler

          haha, who else saw this comment coming? Tookie, can’t you ever give a positive comment? Why do you even ‘like’ the Sens?

        • FistsofNeil25

          Maybe not all that creative but they’re a million times better than our current home and away jerseys… their one of the worst pair of jerseys in the league.

          I like the classic look of our heritage jerseys, but I don’t think the “O” logo should be our primary.

          I would prefer to go back to the 2D centurion logo than anything else we have ever had.

          • Tooks

            Agreed, but they wont.

          • FistsofNeil25

            :(

        • TookieIs100PercentRight

          Bang on Tooks!
          Bring back black 2D centurion with the red stripes, that thing KILLED IT.
          TOOKS100%OUT!!!!!!!!

    • SensChirp
      • jimmyjohnson

        That was a month ago!!! We need bi-hourly re-posts!

  • ProfessorPower

    what about Patrick Sharp?

    • aegiszx

      NTC.

      • Tooks

        ^this^

  • Andrews theory

    Chirp is that Boumeester bit from the past forshadowing something imminent?

    • SensChirp

      5.5 years ago…

      • SensChirp

        And it would still be a good move today

  • Kohlmanator

    For all the Simpsons fans out there… http://instagram.com/ak47_studios#

  • WolfInSheepsClothes

    Spezza+Weircioch+2015 2nd for Oshie+Shattenkirk
    Sign Grabovski (get Grizz to call him and tell him how amazing Ottawa is).

    FORWARDS
    Clarke MacArthur ($3.250m) / Kyle Turris ($3.500m) / Bobby Ryan ($5.100m)
    Mikhail Grabovski ($3.000m) / T.J. Oshie ($4.175m) / Mark Stone ($0.603m)
    Mike Hoffman ($0.750m) / Mika Zibanejad ($0.894m) / Erik Condra ($1.250m)
    Colin Greening ($2.650m) / Zack Smith ($1.888m) / Chris Neil ($1.900m)
    Jean-Gabriel Pageau ($0.613m) /
    DEFENSEMEN
    Marc Methot ($3.000m) / Erik Karlsson ($6.500m)
    Jared Cowen ($3.100m) / Kevin Shattenkirk ($4.250m)
    Chris Phillips ($2.500m) / Cody Ceci ($0.894m)
    Mark Borowiecki ($0.575m) /
    GOALTENDERS
    Craig Anderson ($3.188m)
    Robin Lehner ($2.000m)
    ——
    CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
    (estimations for 2014-15)
    SALARY CAP: $71,100,000; CAP PAYROLL: $55,580,000; BONUSES: $1,595,000
    CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $15,520,000

    • Tooks

      We aint getting T.J. Oshie AND Shattenkirk for Spezza and PW46, LMAO… Just wow…

      • aegiszx

        Hitch would probably resign from his position lol

    • Pasky

      Instead Spezza, Weircioch for Berglund, Shattenkirk, but maybe we add a pick to make it happen. Berglund signs a new contract at the most ends up being the same value as Oshie so money stays the same. I like Grabovski but I think it’ll be closer to 3.5-4M range to sign him. Also Grabovski is a natural C and Berglund has been playing LW as well as C so they can swap positions a bit.

      MacArthur-Turris-Ryan
      Hoffman-Grabovski-Stone
      Berglund-Zibanejad-Condra
      Greening-Smith-Neil

      It’s not a bad lineup but ultimately what’s hurting this team is having Condra playing on the 3rd line. I like him and don’t want him to leave this team but if he can drop to the 4th and we have Neil play LW, then we can roll 3 better scoring lines, does Greening have experience playing RW? Maybe go with something like this.

      Greening-Zibanejad-Berglund
      Neil-Smith-Condra

      People playing their off wings but it looks a lot sexier lol

      • SensChirp

        I would much rather Condra on that third line, in his preferred position, than Greening. The GSN line can work, I think, but only as a fourth line. They were sent out there like a second line at times this season.

        I think Smith is capable of third line minutes but not with those two anchors attached to him.

        • Pasky

          Condra still on the RW though so I don’t see why he’d be out of position.

          And wouldn’t it maybe make more sense to split up the anchors to have 4 efficient lines? We know PMac is sending out Smith so we might as well try to avoid shooting ourselves in the foot no?

          • sprucesens

            haha, if that’s the idea, wouldn’t it make sense to not have 2 anchors on the team? lol

        • Jakester

          I would Prefer Condra on another team – he would stifle any offensive production on an all important 3rd line. With all due respect Smith is a 4th line center at best!

          • Rafi Bomb

            Agreed. We don’t need Condra on this team and if he is somehow on this team next year then he will be the 12th/13th forward.

      • Tooks

        This aint bad at all, Berglund on that 3rd line would help Zib alot, that 2nd line is a bit thin tho, maybe drop CMac to add grit with Grabo and Stone. Rest is good!

        • FistsofNeil25

          I think it’s very possible that Da Costa and Lazar are a part of this group as well.

          MacArthur – Turris – Ryan
          Berglund – Grabovski – Stone
          Smith – Zibanejad – Lazar
          Hoffman/Greening – Da Costa/Pageau – Neil/Condra

          I guess there are plenty of possibilities. Lines 2 and 3 are pretty versatile with 2 centers. Either Berglund/Grabovski and Smith/Zibanejad can play center on either line depending on faceoff matchups and game situations. Even Lazar.

          I think that’s actually a pretty decent line-up. It’s probably as good as we’re likely to see anyway.

          • Tooks

            Not sure about Da Costa, if thats what he gets from Sens then I think he moves on to KHL, can probably be 2C there and more money!

            Lazar is gonna be intresting, his case is rare, its junior or NHL and junior wont develop him any further IMO. So he quite possibly makes this team on that fact alone, even if he hasnt earned it. Not sure what the ffects of that could be on other guys.

            Smith-Zbad-Lazar could be a very tough line to play against I agree!

      • FistsofNeil25

        the problem is Greening, Neil and Condra are all 4th line players. We aren’t going to like any of them on out 3rd line.

        That line-up isn’t bad though. It’s too bad that we have to pencil in Hoffman in our top six right now. He hasn’t done anything to prove he’s a top six player.

        • Tooks

          Well niether has Stone but we got no choice really, unless we go fishing in UFA or land one in Spezza trade.

          CMac-Turris-Ryan
          Berglund-Grabo/Jokinen-Stone

          • FistsofNeil25

            Stone hasn’t proven to be a top six forward either but he’s definitely shown a lot more potential there than Hoffman has. Stone’s skills and IQ are through the damn roof. The only thing that is holding him back is his skating and even that has improved drastically.

          • sprucesens

            I would say both have shown about the same. the defensive play of Hoffman has been great, and the few point he has, have been great. A highlight reel pass for his first point, and a great 1 timer for his first goal. Give him time to adjust, and I think we’ll all love having him on the team.

          • Rafi Bomb

            Stone showed a ton of chemistry with Turris and MacArthur and he as elite hockey sense. He showed way more than Hoffman did.

            But the question will be how quickly can he start producing points and whether he will be a full time top 6er next season.

    • WaitingSince92

      They’re not trading Oshie.

      • sprucesens

        I believe murray has inquired before about oshie, and the 2 sides couldn’t reach a deal. If spezza is going back that way, as I doubt was the case before, I would bet oshie could be had.

    • sprucesens

      love that lineup, and if that’s all it took to get those 2, sign me up. hesitant on next year’s 2nd though, because of deep draft, but then again… I still think oshie is the forward murray targets from st. Louis. He’ll ask for shwartz, they’ll say no, then we’ll bring back up oshie, as we’ve done previously. Murray seems to like targets he has talked about before, and then when the time is right he gets them. Just like he did with Ryan.

  • FBP

    Well, maybe Pierre can be our GM when GMBM retires.

    • Tooks

      Pierre McGuire??!?! Hell no!

      • FBP

        Why not? Didn’t like some of his past trades?

  • Tooks

    There is a reason the guy cant get a GM job for the last decade!

  • FistsofNeil25

    FORWARDS

    Clarke MacArthur
    ($3.250m) – Kyle Turris
    ($3.500m) – Bobby Ryan
    ($5.100m)
    Patrik Berglund ($3.500m) – Mikhail Grabovski
    ($4.000m) – Mark Stone
    ($0.603m)
    Zack Smith
    ($1.888m) – Mika Zibanejad
    ($0.894m) – Curtis Lazar
    ($0.894m)
    Mike Hoffman
    ($0.950m) – Stephane Da Costa
    ($0.950m) – Erik Condra
    ($1.250m)
    Chris Neil
    ($1.900m)

    DEFENSEMEN

    Marc Methot
    ($3.000m) – Erik Karlsson
    ($6.500m)

    Jared Cowen
    ($3.100m) – Kevin Shattenkirk
    ($4.250m)

    Patrick Wiercioch
    ($2.000m) – Cody Ceci
    ($0.894m)

    Chris Phillips
    ($2.500m) – Mark Borowiecki
    ($0.575m)

    GOALTENDERS

    Craig Anderson
    ($3.188m) Robin Lehner
    ($2.000m)

    CAP PAYROLL: $56,685,833
    CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $14,414,167

    • Tooks

      Fix your spaces, lol.
      Who did yo trade for Berglund and Shatty? Just Spezza?

      • FistsofNeil25

        refresh the page I fixed it like 10 minutes ago.

    • Rafi Bomb

      That lineup is simply too soft. Also I don’t see that 4th line working as it is too small.

      • FistsofNeil25

        It may be a bit soft but it’s going to be awfully difficult to put together a skilled and rugged team within our budget.

        and yeah Hoffman-Da Costa-Condra may be small but they would own the puck against other teams fourth lines. Can you imagine them going up against Orr-McClement-Bodie? They would skate circles around them.

        I would rather have a skilled fourth line than big/rugged a line of Greening-Smith-Neil who gets owned every time they step on the ice.

        • Rafi Bomb

          It shouldn’t be that hard to put together a gritty team with sufficient skill given a budget. Actually that is the best strategy we can employ because when you are operating under a budget the only way you can win games is by out competing the opposition.

          Putting together a finesse team on a budget won’t win you many games but it might appease the handful of fans that don’t care about grit and toughness and just want to see “flashy” plays and dangles.

          Again, the Hoffman-Da Costa-Condra line is simply too small. Having 3 smallish players on one line is a big risk, putting 3 smallish players on a 4th line is an even bigger risk that will backfire pretty quickly. Certainly the 4th line is there to bring energy and they could possibly do that, but they would get out muscled pretty quickly and would have nothing to offer if ever matched up against a big skilled forward line. Opposing coaches would have a field day matching up power forwards against this line.

          Also, I a more of the mindset that we have a truly physical 4th line. Have the first 3 lines be filled with players that can play hard two way hockey and rely on them to score points. Then with the fourth line, play Neil with 2 other overtly physical forwards and have them go out there stir up the pot and create energy.

          The GSN line was our 3rd line last season, it was used to shutdown the oppositions 1st or 2nd lines. While it did an admirable job at times, It wasn’t necessarily the best use of those players as they have to play a more conservative physical games considering the match ups, they don’t have much offense and while they can be successful shutting down those lines they are better off doing it in spurts rather than that being their primary role.

          A guy like Neil would be much more effective if he played 10 minutes max a game and has job was simply to stir the pot, draw penalties and take runs at players. A line of players like that would keep our energy levels high. So I would play Neil with Smith or some other agitator and possibly an enforcer who can really take the body. The enforcer would play against the tough teams and then we would put someone else on that line for the rest of the season that could help create some energy. It would actually also be helpful to have a skilled guy get some time on that line such as a Hoffman or Da Costa as Neil and the enforcer or Neil and the agitator would cause havoc while Hoffman/Da costa could play an up tempo game and try and capitalize on the forced turnovers and the poor coverage as the opposition is running around.

          • FistsofNeil25

            I don’t disagree with any of this except the part where you said GSN did an admirable job as a shutdown line at times. As a shut-down like they got completely murdered most nights.

            The problem we have right now is that we don’t have enough physical players that can play a solid two-way game. So what are we supposed to do?

            Given the current group of players we have, how do you expect us to put together 3 forward lines that can play “hard two-way” hockey? We don’t have those players unless you are expecting a pretty significant overhaul this summer

            Assuming we roll with MacArthur-Turris-Ryan as our first line, and Hoffman-Smith-Neil as a fourth line as you suggest, how do we fill out those other two lines to be the kind of team you want to be? What do you suggest? Play some arm-chair GM!

  • ProfessorPower

    Nobody should want Berglund, BM shouldn’t consider taking this guy back in a deal. Just another below average hockey player

    • FistsofNeil25

      I think people just pencil him in there based solely off of rumors. He definitely wouldn’t be my first choice

      • ProfessorPower

        Rumors or HFboards Blues fans trying to throw their version of Milan Michalek on us. The rumors are BM is trying to build a playoff team.. Berglund doesn’t help that. I’ve seen Berglund Rattle 1st thrown around but I don’t think people understand how bad that deal is. A top 9 forward who is the opposite of an impact player, a prospect that we don’t really need who’s at least another year away probably two, and a late pick in a weak draft. We basically only get Berglund as a roster piece for the next two years..thsts horrible lol

        But, although it’s been suggested, to me it’s obvious that deal can be best out by A team like the ducks who have prospects way better than both Berglund and Rattle, as well as a top 10 pick that can be flipped for a top 6 fwd of top 4 dman

        • FistsofNeil25

          Yeah I think Anaheim can offer more as well. I think a lot of teams can comfortably offer more than a Berglund+Rattie+1st deal.

          In my scenario below I have Shattenkirk as the main piece in the Spezza trade along with Berglund. I would be happy with Berglund on the Sens, just not as the centerpiece of the Spezza trade.

          • ProfessorPower

            Shattenkirk would be a good pickup, I don’t think his value is as high as people say however.

          • Tooks

            Maybe not on the Blues as they are stacked on D but for us he would immediately become our 2nd best D man. He’s a solid #3 D overall which we need, badly!

          • ProfessorPower

            Oh yes we definitely do need that! just tired of Blues fans saying Spezza for Shatty straight up, I find that laughable.

        • Rafi Bomb

          By the way, those aren’t rumors that Bryan Murray wants to build a playoff team. Randy Lee has explicitly stated that he has been informed by Bryan Murray to go out and find players that can help them win in the playoffs. He only wants players that play playoff style hockey and raise their play in key games.

          This is now the mandate as Lee has also stated that Murray used to want players that could play in the NHL. So when it comes to drafting, trading or signing players essentially every player brought in at this point will fit that mould. That is why you can tell some of these trade proposals are far off and that a player like Berglund is very unlikely to be a target.

          • Tooks

            Yep like Bonino, Cog or Palmieri, lol.

          • Rafi Bomb

            I was thinking of DSP and Etem. They fit that mould fairly well for prospects/young players.

          • Sandy

            A player who excels in the playoffs. The best out there isn’t available.. his name is Justin Williams.
            But that is the type of player that you would want.. trouble is, there are not too many of them..

        • Tooks

          If you think were gonna get an impact player in return for Spezza, your gonna be sorely disappointed…

  • Sensturion
  • SensFanInMTL

    Grabovski, Hoffman, Berglund. Holy phuckballs. Thank goodness none of us are GM’s. Les plus pires alignements j’ai jamais vu. C’est comme on essaye meme pas d’ameliore nos situations. Christ do some of these lines boil my fuckin blood. Since SensChirp has been around (2008, 2009?), we’ve all learned that none of what we project come out to what the line ups are in late September. And for that, I say thank God. I cringe when I read some of those line ups. Pfff. So horrible.

    • FistsofNeil25

      It’s just for fun, and most of the line-ups people post are just based off of internet rumors lol they’re not to be taken seriously

      Obviously we would all love to be see a better team than one with Berglund and Grabovski on the second line.

      • SensFanInMTL

        Yes. And all of this shall be put to sleep come draft day! Or at least we hope so. Imagine if we were still in April? 2 weeks from today, something better be done!

    • Pasky

      I think it’s less about what we want and more about what’s a realistic outcome for a lineup. I’m OK with Berglund as long as we also get Shattenkirk, I think that’s a good deal for us. And I also believe that Lazar at least gets a 9 game tryout this year so hopefully he proves he can take the next step.

    • sprucesens

      what’s wrong with Hoffman? He has outperformed 90% of our bottom 6. Is that not enough to put him on the team? Give him a chance before we condemn him. What’s the point in having top prospects if you don’t give them a chance, longer than 20 games? Imagine if we gave up on karlsson after his first season….

      • SensFanInMTL

        Oh God. I doubt Karlsson would’ve been given up that early. But we make it out sound like if we ever gave up on Hoffman quickly, he’d turn into Tavares or Hall or Seguin.

        • sprucesens

          I’m just stating, a guy that dominated in the AHL who led the team in the points, and has been nothing but as advertised so far. As soon as he gets a regular shift with other offensive players, he creates chances. Sometimes puck luck just isn’t on your side, but when it wasn’t, he was still solid defensively as well. He has the wheels to get back and cover for himself, and others, and he actually does it, rather than coasting back. Would you rather give Hoffman a season to see if he actually can produce at the NHL level with half decent linemates, or just trade him knowing that it could very well bite us in the ass, giving away a super fast 20+ goal scorer, or maybe more? I’d rather have the question answered, than assume he is going to be bad, of which there is little to no argument so far.

          • SensFanInMTL

            I am rushing things. I am feeling extremely impatient so I do apologize given this will be a long Summer!

            Hoffman is an elegant skater. Saw that first hand the first game he had, I think in 2011-2012 or the shortened lockout year. I just think we have many 3rd line skaters in Hoffman, Pageau, Stone, supposedly Lazar, etc. We need to replace the entire Spezza line and I just don’t think Hoffman can mold into a top 6.

    • Sensturion

      To be honest, I’ve never understood the over the top love people have for Hoffman. He can skate like the wind and he’s an alright player, but he has 6 points in 29 NHL games. Sure you can say he played mostly on the bottom lines, but he got his shot in the top 6 playing with Turris (the guy who makes everyone look good) and couldn’t put up numbers. He’s 24 and so far has had one season worth noting (in the AHL). I love his speed but where are the points??

      • Sandy

        I think you would have to give him more than 29 NHL games to determine what you really have in Hoffman.

    • Tooks

      No your right, they are usually worse!

      • peetypuck

        “No your right” ? What does that mean?

        • Sensturion

          He’s telling him to look to the right.

          • peetypuck

            Haha, good one.
            I wonder if he means…know your right?

        • Sensturion

          Or maybe he spelled Know wrong.

          • peetypuck

            Right.

          • Sensturion

            I’m right or his right?

          • Sensturion

            What about my left? Did he leave?

          • peetypuck

            I think it’s Laff code.

          • peetypuck

            Know, it’s you’re right..

        • Tooks

          I’m telling him that what the Sens put out is worse, in a sarcastic way.

          • peetypuck

            Who asked you?

          • Tooks

            You.

          • peetypuck

            No your right.

          • Sens-fan-in-mtl

            funniest exchange in a long time, esp since he doesn’t seem to get it.

          • peetypuck

            I no.

      • FistsofNeil25

        Yeah in the real world Greening-Smith-Neil gets 15 minutes a night! I love those line-ups so much more. The ones that have won one playoff round in the last 7 years!

        • Tooks

          Bang on!

  • Rafi Bomb

    Kypreos is claiming that the Leafs are actively shopping their whole roster aside from 4 players (Bernier, Kessel, Reilly and Bozak). http://www.thescore.com/news/515094

    Looks like Shanahan is already looking to shake things up. There could be a pretty active trade market at the draft with players like Thornton, Marleau, Sharp, Seabrook, E.Staal, J.Staal, Spezza, Kesler, Marchand, Neal, as well as JVR and the rest of the leafs in play.

    • FistsofNeil25

      I love how Bozak is untouchable and JVR isn’t lol what a great team!

      • Tooks

        Well Bozak is a C, harder to get those. I doubt JVR gets moved tho, cant see it.

        • FistsofNeil25

          I’m not saying they should trade Bozak. He has great chemistry with Kessel. I just find it hilarious how they would name Bozak and untouchable and not JVR. JVR-Bozak-Kessel is one of the best lines in the league.

          • Tooks

            I agree, it is weird.

          • peetypuck

            Shanahan and Nonis may have decided to start another rebuild and want in on the McDavid sweepstakes. They won’t lose any money since their games are always sold out.

    • FBP

      I feel like except for a potential apocalypse we’d be decent trade partners with the Leafs this summer.

    • Sandy

      The Leafs will just take them all. After all, every NHL player wants to play in Toronto.. well according to their fans that is..

  • Sensturion

    Bylsma was fired.

    • jtf927

      yeah. just saw the report too. makes me wonder if the roster will be gutted next. i think BM should be watching close. sutter would be a great acquisition if possible. sutter from pitts and shattenkirk from the blues would constitute a very successful summer for the sens in my books.

      • FistsofNeil25

        Sutter is a great third line center. He’s exactly the kind of guy that Pittsburgh needs to keep. I’d take him in a heartbeat.

        • jtf927

          absolutely. the guy is so underrated. but his two way prowess is to be noted. he is exactly the kind of player who would play pmac’s 200ft game.

      • Tooks

        They wont gut the roster, Coach had to go, GM not so much but hey, shake it up!

        They really aint got nothing to change really apart from the goalie situation. They are perennial contenders in the East, nothing to gut.

  • EHMatt

    I don’t know, I was reading today that they may also go after Ryan Callahan. He’s not much better than Stewart, but he’ll come at a higher cost. I thought Melnyk said they were going to spend wisely. Choosing either of these 2 over Hemsky is just plain stupid. Sure Hemsky is soft, but at least he can put up some points. I read today that the Senators didn’t even propose a counter-offer to Hemsky’s offer of $5.5 million.

    • FistsofNeil25

      Garrioch said that Callahan would be a good fit. We don’t know whether that was his own opinion or whether or not he was suggesting the Sens have interest.

      • SensChirp

        There’s just no way, for a few different reasons.

        • FistsofNeil25

          Yeah I can’t see the Sens having any interest in Cally considering his rumored salary demands. I would take him on our team for 3.5-4 mill but nothing more than that, so obviously it wouldn’t happen.

          Also can’t see Callahan even being the slightest bit intrigued by the prospect of playing for Ottawa.

      • Jakester

        Callahan is terrible. This guy is SOOOOOOOO overrated.

      • EHMatt

        I seriously hope it was his opinion.

    • FBP

      Glancing at the upcoming UFA’s these names strike me as plausible – also Chirp hinted at one back near the deadline:

      Penner
      Ott
      Pouliot
      Kulemin
      Setoguchi

      Is Kulemin Russian? Not sure if the Euge would go for that.

      • Phoenix

        Of those guys. I think Ott and Setoguchi would be a great pick up if the price was right. I would prefer to keep Pageau in the minors and go with the over rip mentality that Detroit goes with and bring him up when he is ready to stay up.

        Ott would bring some leadership and grit while Seto some speed.

  • esk

    YEAH. Report: Maple Leafs actively shopping everybody except short list of 4 untouchables: http://www.thescore.com/news/515094

    • Pasky

      I seen that too…. Is Spezza worth shipping to Toronto if we can snag JVR? I think so, but TO probably doesn’t do that deal.

      • Sandy

        Toronto would want Spezza.. local player, etc. But I don’t think Murray wants to trade him to Toronto.
        I would think JVR should be an untouchable as well?

        • jtf927

          i would actually trade spezza to TO. maybe the turnovers would help us beat the leafs next year? ;)

      • Jakester

        I would trade Spezza for Kadri and their first round puck. That kid on a team with a puck mover like Karlsson would be deadly.

    • SensFanInMTL

      Maybe we should have our own list as well. Shake things up a bit, eh?

      Karlsson, Lazar, Lehner, ________, ________

      • FistsofNeil25

        I don’t believe that anyone is untouchable. I’d even trade Karlsson for Toews, Stamkos, Tavares, Doughty or MacKinnon but that’s about it. The players I wouldn’t trade unless it was for a significant upgrade would be..

        Turris, Zibanejad, Lazar, Ryan, Puempel, Stone, Karlsson, Ceci, Lehner

        • jtf927

          our young players are definitely untouchable. turris, mcarthur, ryan, zbad, lazar, ceci, karlsson, and methot are our new young core. along with lehner and andy in net. you can also add smith and neil to that list. cowen, greening, and condra are tradeable imho.

        • SensFanInMTL

          I just had to sign in, give you a thumbs up and mention that your list of untouchables exactly identical I think, to those of mine. I wouldn’t add or take away anyone from that list. That just seems too legit.

      • Jakester

        TUrris, Zibby,Ryan,and Ceci. You can add these 4 to that list.

  • BeJamin

    You know… I’ve reached a point. After a good deal of thinking about it and talking about it with friends. I realize we are probably making a huge mistake. The team is set to deal away one of the most talented centers in the league, instead of ponying up the dollars to insulate him (A la Hemsky and another good UFA or trade acquisition).

    Why have we all convinced ourselves this is logical? Do we not all earnestly believe the St.Louis Blues would be a contender with Spezza in the fold? I sure do. Star talent is the absolute hardest thing to acquire. We’re not likely getting a star back when we deal him. What we’re doing is becoming younger and cheaper.

    This isn’t a logical course of action for becoming competitive. It’s the opposite. The only justification we even have for moving on from Spezza is potential injury and decline. However, if the team actually had money, couldn’t we just buy him out in the ever increasing cap climate we currently find ourselves in? The only thing we’d risk is 3-4M in cap space for a buy-out (and that’s assuming he actually has to become so bad he’s impossible to trade at some point during his extension). Is that really likely to happen? Aren’t we all just fooling ourselves?

    They didn’t make this guy captain because he has issues competing, being a pro and working hard. He’s done everything the team has asked him to. How many blind pass giveaways to you remember this year? Not many. He’s hugely cut them out of his game the past few years. With the right insulation he’s an asset not a problem. Why else do we believe he could help St.Louis win? Which we all do.

    Sure we might win the trade, that possibility always exists. The thing is, it’s extremely unlikely when you trade a 30+ star that you win the deal. It very rarely goes that way. And we shouldn’t be ignorant of history.

    The team is broke. That’s why we’re moving him. Not because it’s actually the best thing for the team.

    • SensFanInMTL

      From what we’ve all read about, Spezza is one dimensional. He may have limited his blind passes but his commitment to winning may not be in existence. He will always put up 0.85-1.00 point/ game and he’s always done that. But playing a 200 foot game is what sets the difference from us and teams like Chicago or L.A. It seems like Spezza is the lone guy we are singling out but obviously everyone had a bad year last season. You take a look at the 2 way players that have been successful and winning the Cup, you see guys like Bergeron, Perry, Mike Richards, Patrick Sharp and so on, they bring more to the table than what Spezza will ever bring – the occasional craftyness that either pans out and leads to a sick play and a goal or pass, or a complete turnover and no real backcheck. I firmly believe that Lazar, as a 2 way type of player, can surround him with other defensive sound forwards, the Sens squad can turn this thing into something extraordinary.

      But now there’s our owner, would doesn’t even want to think about spending a dime to improve this team. Add the charity case in re-signing Chris Phillips and a bunch of young prospects who are 3rd liner type of guys that we have, and you have a disaster of a team. If we need to replace Spezza, I’d expect nothing less than an Eric Staal or Mike Richards coming the other way. Ryan O’Reilly as well. I think with Colorado’s untouchables being Duchene, Landeskog and MacKinnon, they’ll do just fine.

      • Sandy

        I disagree with your comment that Spezza is not commited to winning. I don’t believe that. I think he wants to win and soon, that’s probably one of the reasons he is leaving the team. Let’s face it, the Sens a quite a few seasons away from being a contender.
        As for Mike Richards — rumours are he is being bought out by LA. He now plays on their 4th line and it’s too much $$ to keep him there.

        • SensFanInMTL

          I stand corrected. Everyone wants to win. But there is a difference between Toews’s version of winning than those of Spezza’s. He has been my favourite Sens player since becoming a fan of this team. I have his black heritage jersey and I will always hold him in high regards. But it is however time to move on. You listen to the way Curtis Lazar conducts himself and his presentation is so mature for his young age, I am easily jumping to conclusion and buying everything that he is selling. It sounds like a shit ton on his plate but if we can surround him with similar playing styles to those that think defense first to create offense, we can beat guys like Boston, and L.A. and guys who are top threats in the NHL.

          • aegiszx

            Lazar, while early, is going to be a stud in a few years time. No doubt about it. This guy + Turris/Bobby/Karl are going to be the pillars of the new Sens.

          • Jakester

            Now that kid wants to win! Goes to the Memorial Cup twice, and League Final the other year!

        • sprucesens

          I still don’t see why LA would deal Richards, let alone buy him out. they fit under the cap, and won the cup once, maybe even twice in 3 years. You shouldn’t mess with that, regardless of where the money is spent. If we were winning cups with Phillips getting 6 mil and still shi%%ing the bed on a nightly basis, I don’t think I’d be getting rid of him until the time is just up. Yes the argument is “imagine if we had someone even better” But it could also be “imagine if we had someone worse”
          Anyways, I’m not sure of their UFA’s and RFA’s situation, so maybe they need the money to keep all the other players. But if that’s not the case, I see no reason to break up a top team. The top teams are winners because they can roll 4 lines and still have threats to score, and check on each line. While the “crap” teams have a GSN 4th line. lol.

          • Sandy

            They want to re-sign Gaborik..

            Richards cap hit is 5.7M to play as 4th line centre?
            They have the room this year to keep him.. but they can buy him out on the compliance buyout — this season is the last they can do that.
            If you look at their cap after next season, they have 8 players signed for a cap hit of 42M so lots of players will need raises..
            It just makes sense..

          • sprucesens

            yikes, well i guess it makes sense then, if they no longer feel he is part of the reason they are in the cup finals again. How about toffoli, Richards to save them on cap space, and a pick?

            Toffoli(primary piece), Richards for cap space so they don’t have to buy him out, and a 1st round pick. Doesn’t really save them money by taking on spezza though. Maybe instead of the pick they add in a D man?

        • Jakester

          A guy committed to winning does everything he can to win and that includes playing in his own end. I think something else drives Spezza, maybe it’s getting points,or making a highlight reel play, but it sure doesn’t look like to me that winning is his driving force. I don’t buy it!

    • Shibal

      I can also say that it is also extremely unlikely a 30+ year old number one center will win you a Stanley cup. Spezza can only win a cup now if he is dealt to a contender as a support player. It’s a win/win for both teams: contender can get some extra offensive support from Spezza, and the sens can allow Turris and Zibanejad to further develop, of course that itself is a gamble, but it doesn’t hurt to try at least.

    • Doc

      You’re missing one key element in all of this: Spezza is as opened, if not more, to a trade than management is.

      There is also a rumour he might have asked for a trade in 11′.

      • peetypuck

        If I remember correctly, Murray asked Spezza, Phillips and Neil if they preferred being traded rather than go through the rebuild. They declined.
        During Spezza’s junior career I believe that he asked to be traded twice. First from the Mississauga Ice Dogs and then from the Belleville Bulls. So this is nothing new on his part.

    • Sandy

      MOST NHL teams, the ones with money that is, would be keeping Spezza, re-signing Hemsky and finding another top 6 winger to play with Spezza.
      But you see, that costs $$ — something this owner will not do is spend on the team..
      It’s why fans are getting so anzy about this upcoming season — and who can blame them.
      They had to put a young guy on waivers and have the trading team hold back salary to get 2 months out of Hemksy. which would have been a salary around 800K.

      Then they won’t re-sign Hemsky for 5.5M after having 2 really good months as Spezza’s winger. They were exciting to watch as both of these guys have a lot of skill. Now trading Spezza.

      Letting Alfie walk by not offering him about 1-2M more than the Sens offered.

      It adds up over time..

      I think fans in Ottawa are beginning to realize that this team may not be competing for a playoff spot as the owner won’t spend any money..
      I think the ‘honeymoon’ with Melnyk is reaching the end for the fans in Ottawa.

      • Jakester

        I don’t agree, the smart teams would be saying the same things the SENS are, the guy doesn’t play the game the right way. He won’t lead us anywhere. Therefore, let’s go get more guys that play the game the way that will bring about the results we’re looking for. I really think once this trade is made you’ll all see something take shape.

      • wild bill

        I am done with Melnyk. They have issues at the front office.

    • sprucesens

      partially the very last sentence, partially the risk of injuries and not wanting to HAVE to buy a player out, as well as HE DOESN’T WANT TO PLAY HERE ANYMORE. Not saying it rudely, just emphasizing that both sides of this scenario are ready and willing to part ways, as has been the case since the deadline. Either we trade him for something, or lose him for nothing. Yes the budget and all that is a big factor in the hockey team, and may be a reason spezza doesn’t want to be here anymore, but the fact remains, he has informed murray that he would be very open to a trade, and the organization felt the same way. It’s like asking for a trade, when the team was already considering it. So no harm no foul. Its just a matter of finding a location that works for everyone involved, and hopefully getting back younger promising assets that will be with us for a long time.

    • peetypuck

      You realize that trading Spezza doesn’t save the team any money. It drops the Sens below the cap floor so Murray will have to take back salary to stay above the floor.

      • BeJamin

        You do realize re-signing him would cost 6-7M per season….

        • peetypuck

          It will take about that much to get the Sens above the cap again.

    • Deadly

      One thing I have learned in business,when one of your employees wants to lea ve, he has already left. No matter how much you try to convince him to stay ,his heart will no longer be in it.
      It always seems that the new guy to join the company is better and more motivated.
      Watching the playoffs has really shown us what is needed.
      Let’s use this as a stepping stone to improvement.

      • Sandy

        Too bad Alfie didn’t decide that at the last trade deadline he was in Ottawa.

        The Sens could have gotten a really good return for him… He kinda screwed the organization there. I guess that was payback for the way Melnyk treated him..

        • peetypuck

          What did Melnyk do to him before the trade deadline that he wanted to screw him? I thought that happened over the summer.

        • wild bill

          A lot is not written in the paper.

    • FistsofNeil25

      You answered your own question pretty much with many key points.

      A) We can’t afford to re-sign Spezza without our budget
      B) We can’t afford to buy-out that contract in the event of a sudden decline in play
      C) We can’t afford to support him with the type of players that will help him remain an effective hockey player
      D) He refuses to commit to Maclean’s system
      E) He doesn’t want to play here anymore

      If we were a cap team we could afford to re-sign him and surround him with skilled line-mates. A healthy Spezza is still our best forward by far but unfortunately we can’t bank on him being healthy enough to play through a full season or the grind of the playoffs anymore. We can’t afford to keep him for multiple reasons and he wants to move on. The reality is we wasted the prime of Spezza’s career playing him with sub-par linemates on a middle tier team.

      It’s time for the team and Spezza to go in their separate directions. It’s in the best interest for both sides. Let’s look at it as an opportunity to improve the future by sacrificing something short term.

    • runningbear1974

      Spezza has tons of skill and scores tons of points… That’s his selling point, that’s the story we sell to other teams… Which is true…

      But…
      1) He does the same stuff anywhere on the ice.
      2) He does the same stuff whether he’s playing against someone fast, someone strong, someone skilled…
      3) He has very strongly resisted change… Yes, he doesn’t do drop passes anymore, but that took 10 years…
      Conclusion:
      He is not eager to change and adapt according to the scenario… He does what he does regardless of whether or not that’s a good idea… I would much prefer a less skilled player that makes good decision Pageau…

      You can build a winner with Spezza… If you play him on the wing (he gives up middle of ice too easily)… Or, you played him on the 3rd line (he’s too weak defensively against other teams top line)… You can do it but it’s a lot of effort and cost, and anyway, much better to have someone that wants to adapt and learn and improve their game…

  • FistsofNeil25

    Hey Chirp, any idea whether or not the Sens were one of the 12+ teams to offer a contract to that JIri Sekac kid?

    • Mitchell

      Would also like to know this!

  • Sandy

    Could the Sens return for Spezza get weaker as now Kesler is on the market. He has 6 teams he can go to and Philly & Anaheim are reported to be two of the teams..
    Bob MacKenzie said that bodes bad for the Sens as some teams would prefer Kesler to Spezza..

    • FistsofNeil25

      The good thing is there are 19 teams that Spezza can be traded to. If Kesler has a list of only 6 teams he’ll accept a trade to, then it still keeps the market pretty wide open for Spezza.

      Who are the 6 teams on Kesler’s trade list? Some reports indicate that Pittsburgh, Philly, Detroit, Chicago and Anaheim are five of those teams. I would imagine that none of Pittsburgh, Philly, or Detroit would be in on Spezza, and Chicago would have a tough time trying to fit in his 7M cap hit.

      I don’t think Kesler being on the market will effect Spezza all that much, but if Thornton and Staal also become available, things could get a little difficult for Ottawa.

    • Jakester

      I don’t agree on that. However, the Sens want to deal him by the draft. Hopefully, a couple of teams want Spezza over Kesler, so that it can be done even if Kesler is still available. Sens want to know what pieces they have and what potential picks they have to be prepared for the draft and free agency. Him being dealt will be the precursor to all other moves.

    • peetypuck

      Vancouver would probably prefer trading Kesler to the east division while Spezza likely goes to the west. Different trading partners for each player.

  • Mitchell

    I don’t agree that teams would want Kesler over Spezza but I believe the trades are a bit different. Sens are looking for a first, prospect and a roster player.

    Vancouver sounds like they are looking for a more elite type talent and prospects and picks. Just by what I’ve heard and read. Spezzas price sounds more like a bargain

    • FistsofNeil25

      I think a team like St Louis would value Spezza more than Kesler as they already have Backes, and other solid two way forwards. They need a offensive talent like Spezza if they’re ever going to seriously compete with St Louis or LA.

      Anaheim on the other hand may value Kesler more. They have high end offensive talent on their team already and could really benefit from a gritty two way center like Kesler.

  • Mitchell

    Will Ottawa have an NHL team in the near future? I find it impossible that no one would want to partner with EM based on the money that is in Ottawa. Or is EM a complete door knob and no one wants to partner with him? I believe with the successors in Ottawa someone would snatch the Sens up if EM sold the team. Just a thought

    • I’m just sayin’

      Would you want Drunk Uncle Eugene as a business partner ?

      • Mitchell

        in no way, but it may cost us the team if no one will get this guy outta town!

        • Lucretia

          There is no way Bettman would allow a team to move from the nation’s capital, he didn’t let it happen when they were having money issues and he’s not going to let it happen now. The optics of a Canadian franchise failing would not be good for the NHL

    • peetypuck

      EM is all about the money. Why do you think he moved to the Barbados? He doesn’t have to pay taxes.

  • BeJamin

    There has not been one credible source who says Spezza wants out. When asked directly he said he wanted to stay. What has been confirmed is that he is open to a move if that’s what the team desires. The reason for that? Probably the shit show that is Melnyk. If that cheapskate was willing to spend odds are Spezza would be happy to stay. It’s Alfie 2.0.

    • Deadly

      Guess MacKenzie , Dreger etc don’t qualify as experts. What would you need to hear and from whom.

    • Jakester

      Bah ha ha ha! He wants to play in Florida,Phoenix, or Anaheim where he can blend in with the bent grass. No pressure.

    • Jakester

      Melnyk probably does want to spend, but he doesn’t want to WASTE his money. A new contract for Spezza would be money wasted!

    • FistsofNeil25

      I don’t think I’ve ever heard a player outright say he wanted to be traded in the media. They all beat around the bush or just deny it. That goes for Heatley, Nash, St Louis etc

      If he actually wanted to stay, he would have been way more reassuring than he actually was, or he would have come out and said by now that all these rumors suggesting he asked for a trade are false.

      Earlier this week, there were rumors that James Neal asked for a trade out of Pittsburgh. What did he do? He instantly went on Twitter and told his fans that the rumors aren’t true and that he loves being a Penguin.

      Spezza’s had it in Ottawa. He’s seen too many good players leave this city. He’s seen the prime of his career wasted by being forced to play with sub-par wingers. He’s been the scapegoat for a fan base that needs someone to blame when the team under performs. He’s just recently been thrown under the bus Murray and Maclean for the team’s lack of leadership. He’s played through the rebuild with a smile on his face, and now he can either continue to suck it up playing for a budget team, or he can just say he wants to move on to a team that can surround him with better players, pay him what he’s worth, and ultimately give him a better chance to win the Stanley Cup.

      What would you do if you were Spezza? I’m not even a huge fan of the guy and I couldn’t blame him for a second for wanting to move on.

  • adamie

    This won’t be realistic for you guys but what do you guys think? Shane Prince + Patrick Wiercioch for Chris Stewart, we grab Niskanen come FA time.

    Michalek – Spezza – Stone
    MacArthur – Turris – Ryan
    Hoffman – Zibanejad – Stewart
    Greening – Smith – Condra/Neil

    Methot – Karlsson
    Cowen – Niskanen
    Phillips – Ceci/Gryba

    Lehner
    Anderson

    • Jakester

      Get rid of Spezza and I’ll sort of like it!

    • Sandy

      I don’t want Stewart on the team. And no way Niskanen comes to Ottawa.

    • sprucesens

      i could see prince and PW for stewart. I personally am not sold on stewart, but i think that would be what we would give up

  • Jakester

    @_Tousurlehockey Avec le départ éventuel de J.Spezza (Ott)..Ne pas surprendre que le nom de M.Richards circule avec les Sens..
    7:56pm – 6 Jun 14

    • sprucesens

      …which means…?

      • Mitchell

        no doubt!

        • sprucesens

          my french is weak, but i think a close translation is “its no surprise that mike richards’ name is circulating around the sens” To me he can’t be the primary piece coming back, especially if they were just gonna buy him out, as the rumours seem to be going. I’d take toffoli and him and be ok with that return, but i think we try to get the pick too. Fits what murray asked for. A top 6 player, which we would argue richards has dropped, toffoli as the prospect and primary target, and the 1st. We might have to add a later pick for compensation. Could be interesting

          • Mat

            No way the Kings are letting Toffoli go…

          • sprucesens

            if they want spezza they have to give something of value, we aren’t taking there buyouts and 3rd liners.

          • Jakester

            Maybe They mean once Richards is bought out.

          • sprucesens

            mmm, which comment are you talking about? i’m confused. lol

          • Sandy

            Not after his playoff showing — not a chance.
            BTW the Kings don’t need Spezza. They are deep down the middle. Spezza doesn’t add much to their team..

    • ProfessorPower

      Yes Richards + Toffoli please! although I think with salary retained its more like Richards and Clifford, but still.

      Macarthur-Turris-Stone
      Stewart-Richards-Ryan
      Clifford-Zibanejad-Lazar
      Greening-Smith-Neil
      Hoffman

      Switch Clifford with Toffoli if that deal CAN happen. And switch Stewart with any other solid top 6 player that we can either trade for or sign and we have ourselves a playoff team regardless.

      • spgottawa

        Ummmm. Let’s get this straight. Kings win the cup and then decide they need Spezza?

        • Jakester

          Must admit. That makes no sense! Why screw up your team.

        • sprucesens

          yeah, i posted that a few times. I don’t see a reason why LA would want to get more scoring, let alone trade/buyout richards. Sandy pointed out big cap troubles. But spezza certainly doesn’t solve that. If i can keep that team together, who cares if the 4C is paid 5 mill if its working? Cap goes up, so maybe they do want him. But i just don’t see it.

          • Sandy

            Kopitar
            Carter
            Stoll
            Richards
            That’s their depth down the middle. Big, strong, fast, skilled.
            Richards will be bought out to make room for one of their young players. They need the cap space going into the 2015/16 season with 8 players only signed for total cap hit of 42M..

          • sprucesens

            we can take some of their high priced players, so long as we get assets above and beyond that! lol. Imagine if they got spezza say for toffoli + a pick maybe and richards. then its kopitar, carter, spezza, stoll. I think that would make them the most dangerous team down the middle. Possibly better than pitts. But you look at the players that they need to sign after those 8 guys, and aside from pearson and toffoli, they won’t be due huge raises. 2 years from now, the cap could be 75 mill or higher

      • sprucesens

        also, why the hard on for clifford? his top scoring so far is 14pts in the nhl. Seems like a waste of a roster spot when we could use one of our young guys?

        • ProfessorPower

          the kid has upside, But he would be a a guy who can fight and play to replace the loss of Kassian. Hes got the potential to be a 15-20 goal scorer but he’s been hindered by some concussions. Like I said Id much prefer a top prospect…But now that I think about it we could probably get Richards without losing Spezza.

          If we could trade Spezza for top Prospects like DSP we will below the cap floor. Our team could then help out LA by taking on Richards big contract, giving them guys who are relatively cheap.

          I Know some LA fans would be interested in Gryba since hes big, young and can replace the loss of Mitchell and Greene next season. Him in a package could be appealing to LA, dependent on whats added of course.

          What package do you think could get Richards separate from a Spezza deal? consider players on cheap contracts

          • sprucesens

            not sure as much on LA’s needs. I mean what does the stanley cup team need? lol. But if they want richards gone, and they are going to buy him out if they can’t get much value back, it wouldn’t take much. But we’d have to beat other offers. I think prince and boro maybe gets it done, but that really depends on what they want, and if we really plan on boro in the lineup next year. I really don’t want to include claesson in any trades. But yes, gryba could be appealing to them also. Prince + Gryba for richards? i’m not sure another team would give up more when there was a potential for a buyout. Basically trading one problem for another, since prince asked for a trade. Since pearson and toffoli are now locks on the team i’m sure, prince could be close to their new top prospect, or darn close.

    • SensFanInMTL

      Let’s make it happen. Just to say. Big name (Spezza) for more or less big name (Richards). Straight up? Probably not. We’ll throw in Prince. They can toss a 2nd rounder.

  • Jakester

    If there’s a team that can ante up for Kane and Byfuglien it has to be the Sens. Spezza,Cowen, plus,plus! C’mon Murray.

    • Sandy

      Spezza won’t waive for Winnipeg. We can almost guarantee that.

      • Andrews theory

        I won’t even accept a business trip there for two days lol

        You know you’ve hit rock bottom when you land in the peg

    • I’m just sayin’

      Dustin Buffalo?

      SHUDDER

    • sprucesens

      that could be interesting. Not sure we should go after byfuglien though. Kane i’d like, but like “sayin” says, i’d prefer andrew ladd also. big difference from a giant D to a 2way forward though. I know we’ve been interested before. Spezza won’t be going to winnipeg though

      • Mat

        I agree. We don’t need another D that’s even less proficient than KArlsson in the D zone. But the Jets are shopping Bogosian. Kane, Bogosian would be great, and wouldn’t cost Cowen.

        • sprucesens

          yeah, the 3 pieces i like in winterpeg are kane, ladd and bogosian. while they would be ideal partners that way, no way spezza goes there, so we might as well keep dreaming

          • spgottawa

            Maybe Spezza goes to Florida and Sens flip the top pick to Winnipeg for some of these assets?

          • sprucesens

            i suppose, but that’s a lot of moving pieces. Not sure if winnipeg is looking to “rebuild” by selling kane, bogo, ladd and so on for a 1st overall pick. Depends where they feel they are heading.

  • I’m just sayin’

    I dreamt last night that the Senators signed Joe Corvo for a third time.
    I don’t think it was a good omen.

  • runningbear1974

    (Kesler + first) for (Spezza + Prince) Is this realistic, or desirable?

    • Spinorama

      I would have to say desirable. Kesler doesn’t want to play in a Canadian market anymore.
      The key to any deal for spezza will be the prospect in return, not the first rounder or the sub 2nd 3rd liner coming back in the package. I usually agree with your comments runningbear but this comment is a comment you would usually shoot down from another poster. That being said if we did get kesler I would be extatic…add richards to that too lol

      • runningbear1974

        nice i agree… This is not my favourite scenario… One issue i was thinking is that Spezza probably wants to go to Toronto… If we don’t send him now somewhere that he’ll want to be, then the following year he would be in Toronto… We can expect some of Spezza’s best hockey to be against Ottawa…
        I was thinking Vancouver might be a spot that he might stay…

        • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

          I am actually seriously starting to wonder if there could be a trade of this magnitude between Ottawa and Toronto.

          Spezza
          Prince
          Cowen

          For

          Jvr (why he isn’t on their untouchable list is beyond me)
          Kadri
          3rd next year?

          • runningbear1974

            yikes… If he’s going to end up there anyway, might as well pull some assets out of that organization…

          • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

            I was torn on the 3rd next year… Think I’d want higher, and really the only two pieces I’d have much interest in are the two I listed.

          • Mitchell

            It would be more. Toronto always over pays!

          • I’m just sayin’

            HMMMMM – I’ve said “Spezza for Kadri” all along

            If it happens the MegaHog sports media will EXPLODE

          • sprucesens

            no. it would take way more than that. That alone wouldn’t get spezza. Murray already said he is very shy from trading spezza to the east, let alone our biggest rivals. The package coming back would have to include way more than that. Cowen and kadri were taken 1 spot apart, and both had poor seasons. so spezza for JVR?? horrible. good player, but that is a terrible return. and prince a good 2nd rounder, for a 3rd rounder? again, horrible trade. Rumours are spezza wants to play somewhere where the spotlight isn’t on him. Toronto is the place that would have the biggest spotlight. NOT GONNA HAPPEN

          • Andrews theory

            If Toronto offers JVR and Kadri for Spezza, I take that deal 10 times out of 10 times

            Both of those players have top line upside.

            But ya JVR for Spezza straight up isn’t something I’d want

          • sprucesens

            Spezza’s asking price is a top 6, a top prospect and a 1st pick. JVR fits the role of top 6. top prospect could be kadri, but we don’t need another center so bad, with da costa, and lazar waiting. and a 3rd round pick isn’t anywhere near the value of a 1st rounder. So again, that package isn’t near what murray wants, let alone adding in cowen and prince.

            While i like JVR, kadri i don’t want anywhere near my team. Having said all that, murray said he isn’t keen on trading in the east at all, let alone toronto, our closest rival. They would have to overpay, and that means a hell of a lot more than that package. Something like: JVR, Kadri, 1st this year and 1st next year, contingent on spezza signing. If they don’t want to pay it, its no skin off murray’s back, and he’ll happily trade him out west where the return is arguably better, and the potential to bite him in the ass is minimal. Adding in 2 potentially top players, although cowen is showing more of a bust so far, is just a horrible trade, that we would be laughed at for years if we made.

          • Sandy

            I want nothing to do with Kadri…
            JVR — their 11th overall this season and a 1st round pick next year. Make them pay through the nose as well. If they want to send Gardner in place of one of those picks then okay.. Maybe Murray should ask for Reilly?

          • sprucesens

            yeah, i wouldn’t mind that as much. JVR and 2 1sts. Still think they might get a more enticing offer from the west, that isn’t gonna bit us in the ass 6 times a year

          • Jakester

            I’ve said it Before let’s make a deal with Toronto! Why delay the inevitable. Why he wants to go there I have no clue. They will tear him to shreds. Let’s make his dream come true.

          • sprucesens

            no one has said he wants to play in toronto. we have, but no one else. I guess eklund rumoured it once, but he blabs about anything to get hits. The rest of the media that is usually more accurate, has always mentioned the same names. St. Louis, Nashville, LA, ANA, Florida. But murray doesn’t want to trade in the east unless its an over payment. My vote is currently on nashville as they have the most desireable assets, and the biggest reason to start moving some pieces. St. Louis second because they feel they are contenders now, but have a slightly less enticing package they could offer without hurting their current chances. ANA next as they are similar. Then LA, because i can’t see them wanting to break up a team that keeps making it to the finals. Florida last because of the east, and we might ask for more than the 1st overall, but florida probably thinks thats enough as is.

          • Sandy

            I can’t see Ana, St Louis or LA getting Thornton, Marleau or Kesler..

          • sprucesens

            i agree? i was talking about spezza. i could see st.louis trying to get one if the price was low, but it won’t be, not to a team in the west. like you said, its east for those guys, or staying put most likely

          • Sandy

            Who says he wants to play in Toronto? Leaf fans?
            Nobody knows that. If he doesn’t like the flak he gets in Ottawa, why in the hell would he want to play in Toronto? Just because he is from there?

          • sprucesens

            yeah, thats what i said too. only article i’ve ever seen about it was a very brief excerpt from eklund. It really sounds like toronto is way more focused on trying to get a top pick now. Either way, most reports list the same teams, and toronto is not on there. But murray has said he isn’t keen on teams in the east regardless. Rumours point to spezza not wanting to be the go to guy, and if he is, at least doing so in a non hockey market.

    • luckan20

      Kesler has only 6 teams and all of them south of the border; therefore, a trade with Canucks is highly unlikely. Unless the Canucks can convince Kesler to take a deal with Ottawa.

    • Luke McQueen

      Personally, while Kesler is an amazing player when healthy, I still feel like letting Zib take on the 2C role.

      • runningbear1974

        I agree completely… Big problem with last year is Zibby didn’t get the right amount of attention… He’s going to have a breakout season at some point…It’s also important to have the team growing up together…

      • spgottawa

        Yeah. I believe this is part of the thinking going on about trading Spezza. They think Zibby is ready to step up and have a good developmental year – maybe even a breakout – he needs to play a regular top 6 role at centre for this to happen. BM should be looking for a top 6 winger (hopefully with some grit) or a top 4 D (hopefully with some grit).

    • Sandy

      Does he want to play in Canada? Last season around the rumours he was being traded, it came out that he wants to play in the US.

      So no thanks.

  • I’m just sayin’
  • esk

    “Bob McKenzie claims Kesler being on the market could adversely affect the Senators efforts to move center Jason Spezza. LeBrun adds it could get more interesting if the Sharks put either Joe Thornton or Patrick Marleau on the trade block.” http://spectorshockey.net/blog/nhl-saturday-morning-rumor-mill-june-7-2014/

    • Sandy

      That may be.. But Kesler, Thornton & Marleau may be traded east — while Spezza will go west..

      • sprucesens

        yeah, i still can’t think they’d trade both of thornton and marleau. I’d bet one or the other, unless there were crazy good offers for both. That would likely be up to 6 pieces coming back, or else other star players. And rarely do you see star for star trades. Most teams are looking to get younger too, which neither of them help. Probably go to contender teams that want something more. I could actually see one of them end up in pittsburgh. Maybe a neal for T or M? I could see it

  • Jakester

    How about Spezza and Cowen and our first in 2015 for Kulikov and first overall this year. You draft Sam Reinhart with the pick(they say he’s mix of Toews and Sakic). Who knows we may make the playoffs next year and our pick will be so so. You have TUrris,Zibby,Reinhart down the middle, we’d be set.

    Mac-TUrris-Ryan
    Michalek-Zibby-Stone
    Hoffman-Reinhart-Lazar
    Greening-Smith-Pageau
    Neil,Condra

    Sign Michalek wtf.

    Anyhow more bodies would have to move

    DaCosta,Pageau,Neil,Condra, would all be movable.

    • Sandy

      No to trading the 2015 first round pick…
      That payment by the Sens is a huge overpayment for the return you are getting. BTW Murray will not take a young Russian..

      • Jakester

        Oh ok I guess getting a franchise centerman who plays the game hard like TUrris,Zibby,and Lazar plus a puck moving D man who can play opposite EK65 on the Powerplay for a declining centerman and a bumbling D man plus a mid 1 st rounder in 2015 is an overpayment. No it isn’t, that’s how you build a winner.

        • Sandy

          Sam Reinhart is unproven. He hasn’t even played an NHL game yet. He may well turn out to be a great player in the NHL but we just don’t know. The Sens make take Ekblad if they ever do the trade with Florida. Getting great D in the draft is harder than getting a great forward..
          Giving up the Sens first rounder when we don’t know where that will be in the picking order… could be a top 5 you never know.
          The luck Murray has had with young Russian players I would hazard to guess he doesn’t take Kulikov.
          Spezza is a true #1 centre with back issues.. but very good offensive skills. It had better be more than Kulikov and the 1st overall coming back…
          Barkov, Gudbranson & Bjugstad are untouchable.. The brass in Florida were not too impressed with Huberdeau this season. Maybe it might be the time to grab him.. Make it a 2nd rounder in 2015 and if Spezza re-signs there it converts to the 2015 first rounder but only if Huberdeau is in the deal.

          • sprucesens

            agreed. not sold on kulikov. 1st overall would be nice, but i’d want another complimentary piece i think, assuming he resigns, which i think is the premise for all trades we post. I think there are better choices elsewhere though. Next year’s top talent is far above what this year’s is, so i’d rather get better players back, than a high pick this year. If you said gudbrandon, then maybe i’d entertain it. Either way, not likely for spezza to stay in the east.

            Also, that seems like a big over payment on our part. A PPG 1C, a high first round pick in cowen, and a middle to high 1st round pick in a stacked draft next year? That’s a lot to pay for a fairly lowly rated top pick in this draft. And i’m against drafting D in the top 5, as they are so unpredictable. They seem to dominate their whole career against boys, but then they play against the larger bodies in the NHL, and all of a sudden they look no better than anyone else. I’d sooner take the top scoring forward, as they seem to lead to a bigger chance at the prize.

          • Jakester

            Reinhart is a centerman, and a damn good one.

          • Sandy

            Not going to argue that.. but he has not yet played 1 pro game.
            Let’s just see if he can turn into Nathan MacKinnon, Matt Duchene or Gabriel Landeskog..

          • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

            There is pretty much one guy in this draft I’d want and it’s Reinhart.

            Not sure I’d do that trade though.

          • Jakester

            Why not, what are you really losing. Spezza wants out, Cowen, well, better deal him before he plays as bad as he did last year! And better getting a first overall now than hanging on to get the 15-16 pick next year. Pretty even deal, IMO. I think both franchises would benefit from this trade.

          • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

            I don’t disagree… Well kulikov is not likely the answer.. He has been a let down too. And I’m not convinced that we will be in the middle of the bunch with or without this trade… I’ve got a serious feeling we will be in the bottom 3rd of the league next year

          • Jakester

            I don’t think so. Our young guys are good. If you can get Spezz,Cowen, and Philips out of there, I think we’re highly competitive.

          • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

            2 of the 3 are big ifs though… Philips is here unfortunately, for some reason he kept getting a regular shift too… I don’t mind him as our 7th d but any higher up the depth chart is sad.

            Cowen… I think they intend to keep as well(they’ve said it)… Optimistic me hopes he returns to that rumoured form a select few people seem to remember… Realistic me thinks that he plays so poorly that he is worth less than Jonathan Cheechoo.

          • Jakester

            Haha, funny.

          • Jakester

            Are the Sens in a hurry, in two years we’ll be set up like the elite teams are now!

          • sprucesens

            sorry, i meant as an argument to not draft eklbad with the first overall. While i suspect he will be a very good player, he’s probably a couple years away from getting 3rd pairing minutes. At least on a well developed D. He might jump onto our top line, lol. My main point was that that feels like too much to give up for kulikov and one of bennet or reinhart, with my preference to not take a D first overall. Especially if we end up bad next year with a top 5 pick… sounds like everyone in the top 5-10 next year would be above the #1 this year. Don’t need to give that away, with spezza and cowen for a just as unproven(as cowen) russian who has already entertained offers from KHL, and a 1st in a deep draft. Not even close to a deal if you ask me.

        • jtf927

          i agree. turris, zbad, lazar, and smith are exactly the kind of players we need. guys who play 200ft and play hard. it would be really awesome if we could acquire brandon sutter. he would fit in well with our young core.

      • I’m just sayin’

        not even one Rooskie on the NHL or AHL roster

        • sprucesens

          one over in europe though. filatov!

          • rebel held suburb

            not being paid even one ruble by Eugene

    • ProfessorPower

      Brutal

  • Jakester

    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UsR7BZom3ZQ

    Looks pretty good 2 me. Vision on the ice is insane and he plays hard.

  • Nicholas Rawlins

    Have a feeling Thornton will be traded for spezza this year

    • OleHeaveHoFlipperoooni

      I don’t think he comes to the East. Could be wrong but I’m calling Thornton to the Hawks

      • sprucesens

        yikes, how do you figure the hawks get thornton? Gonna have to be a fairly big return to a rival team. And the hawks probably don’t wanna break up their team too much. I like pittsburgh to be involved. East and they can trade neal for thorton just about straight up. maybe add 1 other piece going each way to try and even things out if either side feels slighted

        • Sandy

          The Hawks need a 2nd line centre to play behind Toews. But could they take on Thornton’s contract?
          What players would they have to give up?

  • Mitchell

    My Guesses before the Regular Season Begins!

    Spezza to ANA (STL is in a bit of a rebuild with no number 1 goalie, LA doesn’t need anybody! NSH is a close second.)

    ANA
    Spezza

    OTT
    Andrew Cogliano
    Luca Sbisa
    1st (10th Overall) – Robby Fabbri

    Now to Clear some Depth

    EDM (looking for Toughness)
    Greening
    Gryba

    OTT
    3rd (2015)
    Tyler Pitlick
    ————-

    BUF
    Prince
    3rd (2015)

    OTT
    Stewart
    ————-

    Ryan – Zibanejad – Stewart
    MacArthur – Turris – Stone
    Hoffman – Cogliano – Lazar
    Pageau – Smith – Condra/Neil

    Methot – Karlsson
    Weircoich – Cowen
    Sbisa – Ceci
    Phillips/Borowecki

    Lehner
    Anderson

    • sprucesens

      i like the trades TO edmonton, but nothing of any value coming back. While i think they would love both those players on their team, why the heck would we want pitlick? I think we’d want a younger forward in the anaheim deal, but would be very close to the ask from them.

      • Mitchell

        i was taking a look at EDM prospect and considering our logjam, i just think a player with the trainers and coaches we have we could develop a good forward. with Greening there taking on salary and with Gryba there getting that Defensive player that they are sort of okay with.

        Greening, Gryba for a mediocre Prospect and a pick to try and clear some depth and a lottery pick.

        • sprucesens

          yeah, fair enough. I just hate the oilers farm system outside of nurse, klefbom and moroz. I live there and get to hear about how horrible all their prospects are on a daily basis. That’s why i only wanted picks from them in my above trades, so we can draft someone good, lol. But your way makes just as much sense, as we probably need some bodies in the AHL if nothing else, from graduating other players

    • Sandy

      Don’t want Stewart.

  • ProfessorPower

    Pretty awesome Mitchell! What my guess is: everyone should do this lol

    Spezza (signed) for DSP + Etem + 24th

    24th + Gryba(helps replace Greene and/or Mitchell) for Mike Richards

    Wiercioch + Pumpel (+?) for Dustin Byfuglien

    Macarthur-Turris-Stone
    SmithPelly-Richards-Ryan
    Etem-Zibanejad-Lazar
    Hoffman-Smith-Neil
    Greening/Sign a heavyweight

    Methot-Karlsson
    Cowen-Byfuglien
    Philips-Ceci
    Boro

    Lehner

    • sprucesens

      i’ll bite

      spezza+PW+3rd to Nashville for Josi+Forsberg+1st(or 2nd or any mid pick for that matter)

      prince + Boro +(3rd or 4th from oil trade)to LA for Richards(instead of buying him out, they get 2 cheap young players to restock their farm) could add a pick if they really feel richards is worth more i guess.

      Greening + Gryba to Oilers for a 3rd or a 4th, possibly adding this pick to get richards.

      MacA-Turris-Ryan
      Hoffman-Richards-Stone
      Forsberg-Zibanejad-Lazar
      Smith-Da Costa-Neil
      Condra

      Josi-Karlsson
      Methot-Cowen
      Phillips-Ceci
      claesson

      Lehner
      Anderson

      I would love for these trades to happen. I think the nashville is my want, but might not be realistic. Depends on how desperate nashville is for top scoring talent. Oilers need steady bottom 6 and PK type big D at low cost. We can accomodate. i think you could put richards to center smith and neil for a bang and crash line if needed. But i really think the organization wants to get da costa on the team this year, so long as the price is right, and 1 of the C can play wing. There is speed, toughness and scoring on all lines, with no major defensive holes. D is much improved. I originally had cowen and ceci flipped, but i think cowen and phillips together would be a disaster waiting to happen. This way they both have competent partners to cover for them

      • sprucesens

        ran the numbers on capgeek. we would be sitting at just under 55 million, with a 22 man roster, less without claesson called up(54). Hoffman and da costa each take 1.5 million and lehner 2.5

        • ProfessorPower

          He’ll ya! Getting prospects back in the Spezza deal allows us to take on a big contract in Richards and still be under. What’s our cap, 57?

          • sprucesens

            not sure. I think we were around 55 this year after acquiring hemsky? but not too sure. I would think it would be similar. 56ish? 57 would be nice. I guess it depends on how much lehner and hoffman want, and if we resign da costa and for how much

      • sprucesens

        love josi’s shot. Hard and accurate. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xioZT9WaR4

      • Mitchell

        this is a great breakdown. i’d take Josi any day as long as Josi will be Karlsson’s partner always. really tired of him not being able to gel with anyone. he needs a two way defender. almost thinking Kuba was the only one!

        not crazy about Zibby on the third line but maybe that’ll keep his price low when it comes to extension and then lock him in forever as our top guy :p

        • sprucesens

          yeah, i think all bottom 3 lines can be lined up tons of ways, with the 2nd and 3rd getting similar minutes to the top line, just so long as the neil smith line is used as an actual 4th line, maybe giving da costa some pp time. But we also have tons of other choices on the PP with that lineup. Nice thing is, its a ton of scoring, and only smaller guys are hoffman and da costa, and condra i guess. Could line them up like this if you want zib in the top 6 role

          MacA-Turris-Ryan
          Hoffman-Zibanejad-Lazar
          Forsberg-Da Costa-Stone
          Smith-Richards-Neil

          Honestly, any way you line that roster up, i like all the lines. Every line has at least 2 C on it that can take a draw and play wing. I know getting richards and playing him on the “4th” line doesn’t seem like a great idea, as its the same thing the kings are doing, but i know pmac likes to roll all lines, and i could actually see this line as very effective. It just looks like a hard working team that are all defensively responsible. I can’t wait till NHL 15 comes out so i can make this lineup, as i’m not likely to see it in real life…

      • ProfessorPower

        Josi and Forsberg would be a pretty bad ass return. I thi.k those two guys would gel well with there partners, ie Forsberg and Zbad Would be sick and Josi would look great with Karl soon. I like the idea of having Smitty and Neil as wingers on the 4th line too

        • sprucesens

          yeah, its my dream trade right now i think, and i’m clinging to hope since nashville is one of the rumoured teams to be interested. If murray can do that, i’ll be ecstatic. I think if we COULD get those 2 players, it would be a lower pick, or at least us sending back our 2nd next year to get their first. It could happen!

    • Mitchell

      thanks ProfessorPower! i like the Anaheim deal you have, I guess in my deal i was trying to establish someone with more NHL histroy his relatively still young in his career. with Spezza going that way i think Cogliano became expandable! but i like DSP and i’ve been on the Etem trade for a while, i’m just curious as to why his always the odd man out. maybe bad locker room skills?

      Mike Richards seems like a guy if he wins this stanley cup that’ll be looking to retire with the next team. and i don’t think he’d be willing to work so hard if its in a really young developing team. just a theory of mine.

      if we could swap Puempel for Prince i’d be all over that, but I’d pair him with king K!

      Cowen with sheltered minutes until the training wheels come off

      • ProfessorPower

        The ducks have so many good prospects that Etem just got pushed back..but he’s nhl ready for sure. Basically at the same stage as Mark Stone.

        Ya I think there’s some risk with Richards but he’s from West Ontario and I think Ottawa would be a lot like home for him. McLean would love him and he’s a potential Captain candidate/ fan favorite. Getting a proven winner doesn’t hurt especially on a young team.

        And yes! I’d much prefer Prince going them Puempel although I like them both. Getting one of Buff or Bogo would be awesome, the Jets might be interested in Anderson possibly.

      • Sandy

        I don’t want to see Wiercioch or Puempel dealt. To get Byfuglien it would take more than that anyway…

        • ProfessorPower

          thats why you see a (+?)

  • OleHeaveHoFlipperoooni

    Just noticed Greening had the same amount of assists in the 48 game season, that he did all of last year…. 11. Scored 2 more goals too in 2013

    • wild bill

      Greening has a lot of hits but they are not Neil hits. Does this guy have any value?

      • OleHeaveHoFlipperoooni

        Lets hope Tim likes him, or a GM out there still likes him and wants him after missing out when he signed with Ottawa out of college. Cause those hits didn’t do much for us when all was said and done

  • OleHeaveHoFlipperoooni

    Ahhhh Shit why not!!!

    Thought of one…. Hooooooooowwww about Spezza, Andy, Gryba to Winnipeg….

    For

    Bogo or Buff + Kaner or Ladd (doubt Laddy) So I’ll go with Bogo and Kane.

    Then Greening and Dzingle to Sabres for Stewie. Sign Nabokov for 1 or 2 years at 3.4-3.8 million to have in case Lehner shits the bed.
    Kane – Turry – Bobby
    CMac – ZBad – Stoner (CMac will have that line buzzing)

    Hoff – SDC/Pag – Stoner
    Stew – Smitty – Neiler
    Stupid Condra – SDC/Pag

    Buff/Bogo – EK I’d Prefer Buff, but unlikely
    JC – MM3
    Ceci – Rig
    Boro

    The Lehner
    Nabokov

    • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

      Don’t want Stewart, but would love the deal to Winnipeg (although there is zero chance Spezza agrees to go there)

      • OleHeaveHoFlipperoooni

        If Spezz doesn’t put Winnipeg on his 10 team list. It doesn’t matter whether he agrees or not

    • ProfessorPower

      Looks pretty awesome, I was actually wondering if Winnipeg would be interested in Anderson. I don’t think Spezza would waive, but Anderson in a package with guys like Wiercioch could probably get us Buff. I have a feeling he doesn’t want to play there anymore since they moved him to forward….lets get real, nobody wants to play in Winnipeg

      • sprucesens

        the no waive thing is the biggest deal, but i could see anderson to the peg. We’d have to take pavalec and a pick or prospect though for him, i think. Not sure of his contract, but i think its a few more years. all 4 pieces you targeted from winnipeg would be great pickups though

  • PraiseAlfie11

    Anse Kopitar again, huh?

    How are muckler and brian lee doing?

    • OleHeaveHoFlipperoooni

      And Marc Staal…

    • Sensturion

      Well considering Muckler is currently in the finals with the Rangers….

      • PraiseAlfie11

        Don’t make me fight you.

      • Sandy

        Yeah, I’m sure he had so much to do with putting that roster together… sarcasm intended.

    • sell the team Eugene

      Coulda had Kopitar / Staal / Hanzal / Oshie / Cogliano / Nishkanen / Downie / Neal / Vlasic / Stastny / Yandle / Quick / Yandle instead of Lee

      Drafting was not Muckler’s forte

      • PraiseAlfie11

        Oh man, that list makes me sad.

  • OleHeaveHoFlipperoooni

    Should just buy out Condra…

    Only way I won’t be pissed about his and Greening’s presence on the team is if I find out Condra is currently shooting pucks into empty nets… and then he moves on to a shooter tutor

    Then they need to be on he 4th line with Pag and NEVER EVER in the top 6

    • rebel held suburb

      … because a lowly paid but decent 4th line winger is the team’s biggest problem ?

      • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

        Yeah our 4th line and 3rd sting goalies are the problem man!

        • sell the team Eugene

          I guess with the entire 2nd (some say 1st) line about to vanish
          Condra has been promoted to 3rd line

      • Jakester

        All the excess crap on the team is a problem, don’t fool yourself!

    • ProfessorPower

      Yup, Condra’s gotta go

      • Sandy

        How about worrying which 3 top 6 players are going to come to Ottawa to replace an entire line? Or fixing the defense?

        Condra and Greening are the least of the Sens worries right now..

        • WaitingSince92

          Seriously. Everyone can just forget about Condra. He’s easily pulling his weight. Worry about our top 6, not our bottom. For the love of God…

        • ProfessorPower

          because Lazar will only take his place on 3rd line RW if hes not on the team..use your head people. Fixing one issue doesn’t not mean you ignore others..and Ive clearly stated how I would solve both the top 6 and top 4 d issue multiple times.

          • Doc

            It’s ironic that you talk about trading Condra for a pick, and then ask people to use their head in the same sentence.

          • ProfessorPower

            what do you think his value is? And that wasn’t the same sentence. That sentence was about Lazar competing for Condra’s spot on the team, and my prediction that he will – in which case Condra will have to be moved since I think its unlikely he will be our 13th forward.

      • WaitingSince92

        I’d rather have Condra than a 5th.

        • ProfessorPower

          Id rather have Lazar than Condra

          • WaitingSince92

            Both.

          • ProfessorPower

            you dont understand hockey..im sorry.

    • sell the team Eugene

      Eugene Pinchpenny won’t be buying out anybody

  • BeJamin

    Nothing will happen and the team will have a fun identity but we probably won’t be that good. We’re a budget team. All decisions made will revolve around that until Melnyk changes his toon. Enjoy watching them, but hold back your emotional investment because this shit isn’t changing any time soon.

  • A-Train

    Had a dream last night that Murray flipped Spezza to Anaheim for Bonino, “our” 10th & a prospect (don’t remember who. it was a dream)…then sent that package along with DaCosta to Florida for the 2014 1st, with which he drafted Ekblad. Actually woke up all happy…then had the “it was only a dream” come-down.

  • A-Train

    Wow…I guess we all know why Canadian stars love playing in the Cali markets. But read this:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/07/sports/hockey/la-kings-work-on-ice-but-most-live-on-the-beach.html?_r=0

    Talk about living the dream.

    • PraiseAlfie11

      Ya? Well most senators live in carp and can snowmobile to work…is that a sales pitch or what? :)

  • WaitingSince92

    Not sure why everyone’s so enamoured with Bonino. He’s OK, but nothing special, nothing elite.

    • sprucesens

      i don’t think anyone is, it was just a rumour that came out

    • Tooks

      No one said he was elite…
      I hope your not expecting something elite in return for Spezza.

      • WaitingSince92

        I expect a piece better than Bonino. That’s not unrealistic in the slightest either, so don’t pull that shit on me.

  • Sandy

    Paul Stastny, 28-year-old pending free agent centre has decided to play hardball with the Colorado Avalanche and will hold off negotiating a contract extension until June 20, according to the Denver Post.

    With free agency set to open July 1 – and teams able talk with players starting June 25 thanks to the new CBA – that doesn’t leave either side a lot of time to exchange offers.

    • Sandy

      What concerns me about this is St Louis/Anaheim would have the opportunity to talk to Stastny before the draft and may decide to pull out of the Spezza sweapstakes (if they are in on it) and go with a cheaper option…

      • FistsofNeil25

        I think it’s a given that any team interested in acquiring Spezza would also be interested in signing Stastny as an alternative. It makes sense doesn’t it? Stastny isn’t quite as good offensively as Spezza but if your team can sign him instead of trading quality assets for a Spezza, Kesler or Thornton then it’s a no brainer.

        This is why I won’t be surprised if a Spezza trade doesn’t go down before the first few days of free agency have passed. There are lots of potential options out there for first or second line centers. Spezza, Thornton, Kesler, Staal, maybe Mike and Brad Richards, Stastny and Grabovski.

        Out of all the big names on the trade market, Spezza will be the easiest to move because he can still be traded to 19 other teams. Kesler has a list of 6 teams he would waive his NTC and Joe has a full NTC which he will only waive to play for a legitimate contender.

        There’s going to be lots of potential landing spots for Spezza regardless of all those other available players.

        • Mitchell

          Worse (actual Best!) case senecio the trade deadline is when Spezza is dealt. How many real rental players last year went for a first, a second and a prospect. People over pay and what would they over pay for a #1 center!

          • FistsofNeil25

            I can’t think of any rentals that went for a first, 2nd and a prospect this year?

          • Mitchell

            Thomas vanek, and I think Gabroik

      • Mitchell

        Stastny won’t be cheaper his last cap hit was at 6.6 million. He’ll want more or the same. While Spezza is at 7 cap hit he’ll only be getting 4.

        Spezza out performs him aswell. And this is coming from a Stastny fan!

    • sprucesens

      he must want to play elsewhere, cuz that’s kind of a dick move. Another way of holding out. Not a fan of that. But i’ve seen worse players do it. Strange, that’s the second top center to play “hardball” for contracts in colorado… hmm

  • Peluso

    I have been watching gleefully from afar at all of the passionate words in the past few weeks. Don’t forget my invite to the street fight lads. Baa Daa Baa Baa baaaaaaa – I’m lovin’ it. Go fahkin Sens.