Hoffman Recalled, Borowiecki/Grant to Bingo

SensChirp December 2, 2013 128
Hoffman Recalled, Borowiecki/Grant to Bingo

After yet another disappointing home ice loss, the changes have started for the Ottawa Senators.

This morning, the club announced that they have recalled forward Mike Hoffman from Binghamton of the American Hockey League.  With Hoffman coming up, the team also announced that both Mark Borowiecki and Derek Grant have been sent back down the Bingo.

Both Borowiecki and Grant have been solid in their time with the big club.  Borowiecki brought a physical element to the team’s blueline that has been lacking so far this season.  Meanwhile Grant had carved out a nice little spot for himself on the fourth line and as a reliable penalty killer.  The news may come as a bit of a surprise considering the performance of Grant and Borowiecki but their two way contracts and the fact that they did not need to clear waivers to be sent down made them vulnerable.

Meanwhile in Hoffman, the Senators are adding a bit of offensive punch.  Hoffman has racked up 26 points in just 21 games in the AHL and currently leads the BSens in scoring.  Just last week Hoffman was named as Captain of the team down in Binghamton.

Hoffman will get a chance to produce too as MacLean had him skating on a line with Turris and Ryan at practice this morning.  Marc Methot, who missed last night’s game with the flu, was the only player absent from practice today.  Some pretty significant line juggling from Coach MacLean today.  Here is how they were lined up.

MacArthur – Spezza – Zibanejad
Hoffman – Turris -Ryan
Michalek – Smith – Neil
Conacher-Greening-Condra

  • FistsofNeil25

    I’m excited to see what Hoffman can bring to this team. He’s tearing up the AHL right now. I’ve watched a few of Bingo’s games recently and he seems to be playing with a ton of confidence. Hopefully some of that confidence can rub off on some of the guys up here. The Sens sure don’t look like a confident group right now.

  • Guest

    I really really REALLY like this line up – MacLean starting to finally wake up.

    Michalek goes to where he belongs as she shown he has chemistry with Smith.

  • http://bftc-ehm.forumotion.com/ argun31

    I really really REALLY like this line up – MacLean starting to finally wake up.

    Michalek goes to where he belongs as he shown he has chemistry with Smith in the past.

    balance all around in my opinion.

  • Sensnation

    It was great to see how much of a difference decent linemates made for Spezza. MacArthur just seems like one of those players that finds chemistry with any linemates as he’s always trying so hard and going to the front of the net. Things are definitely getting better for this team!

  • FistsofNeil25

    One thing that’s troubling me about this team is how much we’re leaning on Karlsson. I don’t care that he’s one of the best players in the world, and it doesn’t matter that he’s a superior athlete to the majority of his peers..I just can’t justify him or anyone in the league playing 27-30+ minutes on a nightly basis.

    An 82 game season is such a grind and on top of that, there isn’t another defenceman across the league that gets as much attention and game-planning from the opposition as Karlsson does. How can we expect him to play mistake free hockey and to be at the top of his game every night when he’s playing as much as he is?

    The problem for the Sens right now is that everyone on that blue-line has been so inconsistent this year and Karlsson is being depended on to pick up the slack for the rest of the group.

    Murray needs to make a deal to bring in a reliable two-way defender. Someone similar to Methot, who can play solid positionally in the defensive zone, but is still mobile enough and capable of moving the puck up ice.

    I don’t think a guy like Del Zotto is the answer. He’s too one-dimensional.

    • Sensnation

      You can’t ever be expecting mistake free hockey from Karlsson, that’s not his game. That’s like expecting Spezza to never make a drop pass, high skill offensive players play a bit more high risk high reward.

      As for the TOI he plays, Suter still plays more than him per game and most of the elite Dmen like Doughty, Weber, OEL, Pietrangelo, Chara all play above 25mins per game.

      I agree our d needs work/improvement, but I’m not sold on needing another Methot, we need someone with more puck skills than that, but agreed not one dimensional.

      • FistsofNeil25

        I have no issue with Karlsson playing around 25 minutes a night, but right now he’s averaging 27:47 per night, that’s 2 minutes more per game than Doughty, Oliver Ekman-Larsson, Pietrangelo, and almost 3 minutes more per game than Chara.

        I’m sure he can handle the minutes, but I just believe that his quality of play would go up a bit more if we weren’t leaning on him so much. Of course when we seem to be down by two goals in every game we obviously have to have our best player on the ice as much as possible.

        • Michenator

          I’m under the impression that he likes to play more, so the coach puts him in. Better him out there than most of the other D-men on our team right?

  • The Apostle

    This time let’s hope Hoffman can stay healthy and let’s hope they give him a good long look, like they did Grant. I want to see him in the line-up for 10-15 games at least.

    • Sensnation

      It’s great they’re finally bringing someone up who can contribute in the top 6-9 forwards. Hopefully his early season AHL success translates. At the very least the coach is putting him on the most consistent line which should give him his best chance!

  • Yojimski

    I dont think Borowiecki is the problem he went 5 wins 5 losses and 1 O.T loss to dallas and having scored his first nhl goal but overall Borowieki is a physical player to have: but Grant on the other hand only playing 20 games but has only 2assist but mike Hoffman Has earned the chance to play having played 21games 11goals 15assits totalling up 26points and is +9 in bingo so it will be interesting to see what happens.

  • Millennium

    One thing I noticed for the first time last night at the game: holy crap does Ryan ever cherry pick. There must have been a half dozen times I saw him parked at, or very close to, Detroit’s blueline when the play was down in our zone. And it wasn’t just when we were down by 2, it was early on as well. I dunno if he usually does that and it gets losts on tv, but that was interesting to me.

    • Sensturion

      Every other team does it as well. Watch the play and you’ll notice there’s always someone sitting at the top waiting for the breakaway pass.

      • Millennium

        I’ve been to many hockey games over the years, and I don’t think I’ve seen a forward cherry picking that far up before. Usually at our own blue line or maybe just above, but he was practically offside he was so far up, even when the play was behind our net.

  • Iamwickid

    We need a trade, we need this team to be shaken up a bit. What about looking at waivers? SIMON GAGNE is not signed with any team. The guy is only 33 yrs old can bring some veteran scoring presence and experience and i have always thought that him and Spezza would be a perfect match. GAGNE is a proven goal scorer and when he had someone dishing him the puck (Forsberg) he was scoring 40+ goals. I’m wondering why this guy has completely fallen off the map and isn’t playing at all? Seems strange. What’s everyones thoughts on this.

    • Millennium

      The guy gets hurt when there is a stiff breeze. He has lingering concussion symptoms, he’s likely done in the NHL.

  • Michenator

    I noticed Greening taking some face-offs last night and winning some! I had a hunch that something like this might happen. Really excited for tomorrow nights game. Now that last nights emotional roller coaster is over we can focus on getting one win, then maybe two, then maybe three! Love these boys, expecting to see some spark from them tomorrow. If they don’t have any spark well then TRADE time.

    Hoping that Spezza will start leading by example. We’re definitely missing some clutch this season.

  • Hax

    Thank God for Jason York. One of the few voices of reason in the city in these panic-fueled days.

    His comments on this boiled down to:
    * of course Grant/Borowiecki were NOT the problem
    * only sent down due to contract status
    * rest of the team should feel guilty that their combined sub-par play ended up in two solid players getting sent down

    If Cowen and Gryba just tried to play like Borowiecki they’d be fine. Cowen has a ton more talent than Borowiecki but it will only show if he first simplifies his game.

    Here’s hoping this minor shake-up gets these guys on track. Otherwise the next step for Murray will be “selling low” and/or trading away guys that should be part of our future.

  • Luc Wolfe

    Wade Redden was spotted in Ottawa.

    • TookieIs100PercentRight

      It has started to snow…

      • Luc Wolfe

        its also cold out there

  • Kielbasa

    It’s really unfortunate that two of our hardest working players are being sent down like that. At least they know they’ve earned a spot with the team in the near future.

    It’s also unfortunate that Hoffman is coming up in this situation. Hopefully the work ethic the majority on the team right now are playing with doesn’t rub off on him, and instead he shows the sad sacks in skates how to play and win again.

  • Miguel

    not sure this will make any signifcant difference, but no doubt a change was very much needed!
    Best of luck to Hoffman, and Boro and Grant, know that the fans here are pleased with you, and all things being equal, it should be Cowen and Greening going down and not you two,
    not to worry we will have plenty of room for two hard workers on our team next season!

  • Sandy

    I would understand sending Grant down to bring up Hoffman… but with the issues on D why would they too send down Boro? Is Melnyk that tight for money he can’t keep 575K in the lineup?

    The defense is taking this team down.

    They need a top 3/4 D to play on this team — with Cowen. So Wiercioch can be with Philllips…

    If you look at other young D in the NHL they most always are paired with a more veteran defensemen to help them. It puts them in a position to succeed.

    But with Melnyk nickel & diming this team.. Cowen & Wiercioch were put together trying to learn from each other.. when both are struggling. It put them in a position to fail… not succeed.

    So Tim Murray is getting an interview in Buffalo. Hope to god he doesn’t get it.. and takes Pierre Dorion with him. That’s my fear… Two good men who have done so well in drafting the Sens future.

    Like the lineup. Let’s see if it translate into success..

    As at Dec 1, 2006 the Sens had 27 pts in 26 games good for 12th in the conference.
    As at Dec 1, 2013 the Sens have 24 pts in 26 games good for 12th in the conference.

    Not saying (and won’t happen) that the Sens repeat what happened in 2006/07 — but they may make the playoffs if they can turn it around very soon.

    • LeafsSux

      OK lets get this playoff talk done with.. How can you use the word Playoff and Sens in the same sentence? We are stuck with what we have with this team for the rest of the year with Murray and his tied hands… I hope not but I am a realist… ;)

    • Hax

      I think it’s more about letting Borowiecki play heavy minutes in Bingo than about saving a few bucks. I think the team over-estimated how ready Cowen is/was. If he was playing at his peak (which in hindsight was a lot to ask) then you could have Methot, Karlsson, Phillips, Cowen and Corvo all as “established” guys and then Wiercioch and Gryba as the only guys that might need a veteran partner.

      • Sandy

        The season before the lockout Cowen played with Gonchar and played quite well in his first NHL season. No one here can argue that.
        I guess we underestimated how much Gonchar helped that young defense.
        Pairing a struggling D with another struggling D is not the answer, but at this time it is all the Sens have.
        Some on here mentioned before the season started that pairing could be in trouble… as it is..
        This team is still learning how to play without Alfie. In past seasons, they have had problems winning games without Alfie in the lineup. They now have to learn.. very quickly to get points.
        Any points.. 1 or 2.. just pile them out. Detroit lost 7 games at home during a recent stretch… but got 1 pt in most of those games..

      • PraiseAlfie11

        I know I completely overestimated cowen. Hes a while away yet. Kinda peeved that he decided to hold out then backs it up with this less than impressive year so far.

    • Loyd

      “Is Melnyk that tight for money he can’t keep 575K in the lineup?”

      Well my fiance is a waitress at “Dodge Club” downstairs and they have always started their shifts at 4:30pm for set up etc. They just cut their shifts to start at 4:45pm instead to save some $. So a waitress base pay is what like 7-8$/hr? They save 2$ per person so about 25$ a game. If that’s something they are concerned about, 575k seems to be something Melnyk would care about too lol

  • spoons

    on another note im disappointed ceci didn’t make team canada. at least lazar made it.

    • MoeDozer

      i believe ceci is too old. if thats not the case then sens rather him stay in bingo. IMO his 15points in 21 games is a very clear indication that he is developing very well for his first full pro season and does not require development vs junior level talent although it couldnt hurt i guess.

  • aegiszx

    Getting the call-up is the easy part. Lets see if his AHL success can translate to the bigs though. Scoring goals isnt our problem, stopping them is. Unfortunately we dont have any elite D prospects to really help right now…

    • Mat

      Does Hoffman know he has to turn this thing around?? No pressure or nothing…

  • luckan20

    Ottawa needs to revamp their defensive roster. We have guys upfront, who can replace some of the players. Our defense is bloody slow, with the exception of EK and Corvo.

  • SensFanInMTL

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  • NickofTime

    IMO PM just can’t seem to get the bottom lines right. Can Conacher be sent down to Bingo, I thought gapgeek has him as waiver exempt? If so, he is the one who should have been sent down to Bingo & not Grant who was playing very well up here. Boro was playing well to & deserved to stay up, I guess they wanted to see what they had in those two for next season or the strech run if they are out of the playoffs & decide to move some players. I could see Michalek, Corvo, Conacher, Condra & maybe Phillips & Anderson all possibly moved or more realistically a couple or a few of them moved at the deadline, at least I hope so. They could almost replace those guys internally with Stone, Hoffman, Robinson, Hammond, Borocop & Ceci next season but again our defence will be young next yr.

    • Luc Wolfe

      Phillips has a trade clause though

      • Kohlmanator

        On January 1st, his NMC is over and he can submit a 10 team no trade list.

  • Mat

    Love the new lines. MacArthur is a significant upgrade over Michalek on the top line and MM’s demotion to the third is right where he belongs. Less pressure on him there and the worse that can happen is that he remembers how to play physical, and play in the dirty areas. Hoffman also gets a fair chance on a solid line. Good way to use his skills in the appropriate place. Only thing I’m iffy about is Greening at centre. But I’m guessing that line is playing 13 min or less…

    Keeping my hopes up with minor line changes.. Yup, that’s where its at these days… Yeeeesh.

    • Miguel

      agree with your post, but how will this help, Phillips, Cowen, increase their brutally slow pace?
      Our D is pathetic right now, and from someone who was a huge fan, I am incredibly dissappointed in Cowen… for someone who felt he was owed a big pay increase, and held out, he has been a huge bust, and does not belong up in the NHL right now.
      He is the one who should have been sent down, and I believe he can be sent down due to age and lack of NHL games. Send him down please!

  • Sen John’s

    It really is too bad about CC89. Had such high hopes for him when he came over. Really hope he can turn it around and start putting up some points (although that will be hard on the 4th line). Really liking those top two lines though.

    So is Bobby Ryan with Spezza just done? All the talk leading up to the season was about how great they were going to be together….I know he’s been playing well with Turris, but at some point I would like to see them try it again.

    • Mat

      My one issue with their potential reuniting is, who’s going to back check? And especially when Spezza does one of his signature drop pass turnovers? They need one person that hussles on that line. And I don’t think that’s Mika’s style either.

      • Sen John’s

        Fair point. I would like to see McCarthur Spezza Ryan. But then you leave Turris without anyone…maybe Ryan and McCarthur can play on both lines and just play 35 mins a game.

        • Hax

          The way Turris has been playing this might actually be a great idea. He could likely produce with Zibanejad (who IMO is playing better and better) and then give him one of Michalek, Greening or Conacher to see if he and ZBad can spark someone else.

          • Sen John’s

            Interesting…something like this?

            McCarthur Spezza Ryan
            Conacher Turris Zibanejad

          • Hax

            Yep. Then maybe have Hoffman-Smith-Michalek as your third line (though that’s a bit of a waste of Hoffman’s time here). Maybe flip Hoffman and Conacher or just stick with the bottom six from practice.

          • Tooks

            Yeah Zbad seems to have developped some chemistry with Spezza, Mac on there now is just pure gravy!

            Those are much more balance lines, instead of having all the eggs in one basket, it only took PMac 25 games to figure this out. Should have been done after 10-15…

            Mac Spezza Zib
            Hoffman Turris Ryan

        • Miguel

          yah and lets see how Turris plays with no one… signed Spezza :)

  • Tooks

    Well, its a change, nevertheless it doesnt send any message to our current crop of underachieving players, they send down 2 rookies cuz they are waiver exempt. Only thing they can do really, but a trade with someone going out would have sent a better message.

    Either way cant wait to see what Hoffman can do with thet 2nd line and CMac with Spezza and Mika is gonna explode soon, its a perfect fit for Spezza.

    • boom

      That is my concern as well. You gotta know there are guys in the room who are pissed off that the “wrong” players got sent down – sort of goes against the mantra of “the best players will play” eh?

      The only hope is that the guys who (should) feel fortunate that they’re not the ones who got sent down will show some pride and backbone, and start playing better.
      Personally, i don’[t see it happening though – guys like Condra and Greening are what they are, at this point of their careers – 27 year olds who are re-gressing.

      I hear what you are saying about Cowen in a previous post, but I still hold out hope for him because he is (as opposed to Greening and Condra) still a young developing prospect. At one point, I thought it was just a matter of time with him, before he developed into a real good player, but now I see you may be right…he should be wearing an orange helmet…

    • Miguel

      Really think Cowen should have gone down and Boro stays up, and this would really improve our chances of winning

  • Alcatraz

    Kulikov may soon be on his way out as we know in Florida. Yay or Nay to target him?

    Cowen + Greening + Prince for Kulikov + Mathias

    Great for us in terms of $$, we get back a great 3LC and swap project dmen. Prince is tough to lose, but quite frankly Gryba, Boro, Da Costa, Petersson, Condra all have 0 trade value

    Hoffman-Turris-Ryan
    Macarthur-Spezza-Zibanejad
    Michalek-Mathias-Conacher
    Condra-Smith-Neil

    • Jason

      We shouldn’t be so quick to toss Cowen in the trash pile. He’s not playing good this year but that doesn’t mean he won’t turn out to be a very good defenseman. It’s quite common for young players to have a shitty year after a good one.

      • Hax

        Get out of here with your sanity, logic and patience! You’re making it harder for everyone to panic!

      • Tooks

        Its not that he’s just “not playing good” He’s not good to begin with, his skating alone will prevent him from ever being a regular NHL’er. He’s so slow and clumsy. Ericksson from DET went around him like he was a pylon and Ericksson is a D.

        He’s of the old guard of defensemen, big and slow, hard hitting (IF he connects which is rarely).

        With the way the game is changing, its even more evident that you need guys with good/great skating to win in this league, especially on Defense.

    • Tooks

      Kulikov would be great, he’s struggling with FLA, but who wouldnt, a change of scenery would help this kid. Pair him with a Vet like Methot or Phillips and I would be surprised if he doesnt improve. Has great skating and moves the puck out of the DEF zone very well. His -9 stat line is not indicative of his individual play, more like the Panthers suck balls.

  • RUSH RLZ

    As poor Chirp sits, yet again, trying to hammer together a title for another game day post for a floundering team. Get back on track… must win… turn the tides… stop the bleeding… close the gap… find an identity… Poor Chirp!

    • Miguel

      … lose and kiss 2104 playoffs goodbye… :-)

      • RUSH RLZ

        That would work Miguel, still I am guessing something more diplomatic such as “Something has Got to Give”. ;)

        • Miguel

          yes Rush, you are correct, always the voice of reason :-)

    • ProudSens

      What about: Same old, Same Old!

    • my2sens

      Chirp is simply taking his time to figure out what stinks worse, the diapers he’s changing or the Sens play… once that is figured out, the new post will appear!

  • Finn 8

    Cowen problem has more to do with money. The first sign something was wrong with guy was when he had to play in the AHL last year, He was pissed. 2. Contract disagreement this year over money. He thought he was worth more then what Sens management was trying to paying him, which was the money for defence defenceman. So now what do we see him do is trying to increase his numbers to be paid more in the next contract. (Bad turnovers, bad rushes, bad pinches) Last year when he came before contract agruement, he was fighting and cheching and all the good things you want from this type of defenceman and not trying to be like Karlsson.

    • Hax

      Some good speculation. He did (by all accounts) sort of get told “Yeah your numbers aren’t great so you’re not worth a ton of money” but he was playing as he should. Now he’s at the very least conflicted about how he should play. Too bad they couldn’t have said “You did what we asked and played in Bingo and played the style we want – here’s your payday.” But then again it was a bit soon for him to be paid off since he’s only got one full year of NHL experience.

  • esk

    I was at the game sunday..cowen looked horrible. He needs to work this out asap or send him down to BINGO (if he doesnt have to go through waivers). What happened to the more responsible spezza we saw the last two years? His decision making has been awful. Check out the post game interview..where a reporter frustrates him. Positives: michalek, karlsson, turris.

    • Hax

      Cowen would have to clear waivers – so he’s not getting sent down. Though his struggles have been pretty epic. Spezza has been okay most games but that Detroit game he was really choking his stick. He also had a few situations where he actually made the right decision or took a chance he should be taking only to have it backfire. So it looked even worse for him. Case in point: If his extra dangle on that steal he made in the slot had worked it could have made a big difference and he would be a HON candidate. As it was, he ended up looking foolish.

      This sort of play from Spezza where (IMO) he’s having trouble dealing with replacing Alfie as captain actually makes me sort of glad Alfie left when he did. Spezza will eventually sort this out and be the player he was and even more of a leader – so better to get this adjustment over with now so next season we can really be in a position to make a charge.

      • Miguel

        I would really like to get this Cowen and waivers thing sorted out. Chirp can we please find out if Cowen can indeed be sent down without clearing waivers. I have heard that because his young age, and his lack of NHL games he CAN be sent down without waivers.
        If this is indeed true, for the love of God please send him down to work with Luke, he and we are destroying this kid, and he will be the latesf first round bust if he does not straighten out his pathetic game

        • RUSH RLZ

          I have heard time and time again that due to extenuating circumstances, as discussed, Cowen does not need to clear waivers to be sent down… at least not the first time.

          I’m ALL FOR THAT by the way. He has relapsed enough to be maybe the team’s biggest disappointment, with the fiasco with his new contract it leaves an even worse taste in my mouth.

        • Hax

          Apologies – I figured his one game in 09-10 would make him waiver eligible. But according to capgeek he’s exempt.

          So I tend to agree with Miguel – maybe a few games in Bingo will help him and shake things up in Ottawa.

        • spezzerman

          Capgeek waiver calculator says that until he plays 147 games he is waover exempt. He has played 133 I believe. He is waiver exempt and can be sent down risk free. He would still collect his nhl salary though which likely explains the rationale. …which is unfortunate. I have a problem when budget impacts development , which may be the case here

      • Tooks

        You think Spezza is going to re-sign here?

    • Tooks

      They keep losing like this and struggle to find an indentity, I can see Spezza walking when his contract is up and I wouldnt blame him for it either. Fans. media, management keep jerking him around or blaming him for atrocious D play…

      Play it out this year and ask for a trade next trade deadline(2014-15) IF things are still shit here. Lots of contenders would pay up for a player of his skills.

      • FistsofNeil25

        It’s not just Spezza we have to worry about Tookie, it’s Ryan, Methot etc. These guys all play the game for the purpose of winning the Stanley Cup and to get paid.

        As long as we’re a budget team, these players will have teams lining up to sign them to big money deals, and offer them a better chance at winning the cup. Alfie walking away this summer was a perfect example of this.

        I wouldn’t be surprised to see Karlsson demand a trade within the next couple years if the organization continues to go in the direction it has been under Melnyk ownership.

        • Tooks

          Yes that I agree with, IF Spezza walk you can bet Ryan, Karlsson, Methot and MacArthur they way he’s going. Big money there!

      • Aaron 2.0

        The defense is terrible, no arguments from anybody, i’m sure. Most advanced stats actually paint a pretty sad picture of Spezza. I think it’s fair to ask for more from the captain. No one player alone is ‘the problem’, but Spezza as the team’s captain needs to be part of the solution. So far he hasn’t been. I think the criticism is fair. I don’t want to see him walk, get traded, or anything craze like that. But, I do expect more from the captain.

        • FistsofNeil25

          This is exactly how I feel too. He’s just way too careless with the puck. If he wants to wear the C on his chest he has to be a far more responsible player.

          I’m not a Spezza hater, I’ve always been a fan. I’d like to see him remain as a Senator for a very long time and I want to see him evolve into a great captain. Point a game #1 centers like Spezza are a rare commodity in this league and we’re lucky to have him.

          Unfortunately right now though there’s more negative aspects to his game than positive. He just has to be a more responsible player. It’s not always about racking up points, he needs to protect the puck instead of constantly giving up possession because of soft, bone-headed decisions. Right now his favorite thing to do is break the puck out of the oppositions zone for them. It’s embarrassing.

        • Tooks

          The solution? stop asking him to play defensive hockey…Theres the solution. Give him wingers who are not 3rd line plugs…Watch from this point on with MacArthur and Zib and see if his line improves.

          He’s an offensive player, his stats reflect that, just under PPG with a revolving door of 3rd liners.

          • FistsofNeil25

            You can make all the excuses you want for him man. I’m not even talking about his defensive game. I don’t think he’s been all that bad defensively. It’s his carelessness with the puck that has reached an all new level.

            If any other forward on the team turned the puck over as often as he does, in the same fashion that he does, their ice time would be significantly reduced or they would be benched all together.

            I’m not expecting anything that’s unreasonable. Just be more responsible with the puck. That’s it, that’s all. How are can that be?

          • Tooks

            Not making excuses for him, I dont mind the turnovers really as he is trying to create something out of nothing and they are coming 200 feet from his own net so no harm there.

            IF he was making these turnovers in the DEF zone now that would be another thing, but he aint. I think he has 1, where he tried to split the 2 forawards and cost us a goal but apart fromt hat they have been in the OFF zones.

            Our D should be able to stop them from coming in and scoring all the time.

          • Bob

            Cory was putting up numbers with his old line, Bobby was doing the same thing, so to say “give him wingers”, he’s already had them. Mirror time..

          • Tooks

            Hmm yeah lets compare.

            Ryan Getzlaf Perry
            Michalek/Conacher/Greening/Neil/Smith Spezza Ryan
            LMAO!!

            Conacher Stamkos St.Louis
            Conacher Spezza Michalek/Conacher/Greening/Neil/Smith
            Plus CC89′s numbers fell off alot towards the end of the year, as much as being taken off the 1st line in TB, TB fleeced us big time when you think about it.

          • Bob

            so you what you are saying is that we don’t have the same skill level as other teams? So Spezza is the lone star we have? Worse than St.Louis? No doubt we got fleeced, no need to think about it, thought it at the time.

  • Miguel

    Chirp can we please clear up this Cowen option to the AHL.
    I have been told that because of age + low NHL games he is expempt of waivers, and the real reason is paying him in the AHL.
    Well for the love of God, if we continue to keep him up, he will be the next first round bust!
    he is slowest skater I have ever seen, has lost all of his agility and mobility, and I fear this is solely due to his hip surgery.
    Send him down, to work on improving his strength and agility with Luke, and straigthen out his game, because right now he is causing us wins, whereas Boro was helping us win.

    • Alcatraz

      Via capgeek waiver calculator:

      Jared Cowen is not exempt from waivers. (Due to playing NHL hockey in 3 years, his 1 game tryout in 2009-2010 ruins his exemption lol)

      The following chart shows the number of years (not including 2013-14) or games he had to play to lose his exemption and highlights in red the totals that equal or exceed them.

      This result is based on the data you entered:
      Player appeared in 1 NHL regular season and playoff games at age 18 and 89 NHL regular season and playoffs games at age 19; and player has appeared in 133 career NHL regular season and playoff games games. If this information was entered incorrectly, the calculator will generate an incorrect result.

      YEARS GAMES
      EXEMPT UNTIL 3 147
      TO DATE 3 133

      NOTES: Jared Cowen’s signing age for the purposes of waivers is recorded in our database as 18 while the first season of his first NHL contract is recorded as 2009-10.
      We have also determined that he was eligible for a reduction in the number of NHL games played required for waiver eligibility (as noted in Exhibit 16, Transition Rules, of the CBA) by virtue of his contract and playing status during the 2012-13 lockout-shortened season.

      • Miguel

        ok Alcatraz thank you for clearing that up. So we are now stuck with him.
        So i now suggest, get him off the ice, and into the gym to get his strength back to where it was a couple of years ago, otherwise he may be the next Luke Schenn

        • FistsofNeil25

          There’s nothing physically wrong with him right now Miguel. He’s definitely not lacking strength and he’s no slower than before.

          Everything that’s wrong with Cowen is purely mental. He’s not confident. He’s nervous. His decision making has been poor. He’s just lost out there. These are all things that can be fixed.

          He may struggle for the rest of the season or he may not, but long term Cowen can be a dominant defenceman.

          • my2sens

            I agree – I don’t believe this team fully needs a trade at the moment, rather a reality check and something to help get their heads in the game.

          • Tooks

            Not with his slow footspeed.

      • Tooks

        I got the opposite?

        This result is based on the data you entered: Player appeared in 1 NHL regular season and playoff games at age 18 and 0 NHL regular season and playoffs games at age 19; and player has appeared in 133 career NHL regular season and playoff games games.

        • Miguel

          Thanks Took, so the Cowen confusion gets more complicated.
          Two knowledgeable posters say opposing views on his clearing waivers… maybe the Sens arent sure either :-)

      • Hax

        But he didn’t play any NHL games in 10-11 – So that keeps him exempt I believe.

      • Tooks

        2009-10 season 1 game
        2010-11 season 0 games
        Total NHL games 133

        He did not play 89 games as a 19 year old. He played in Spokane.

      • Alcatraz

        I’m wrong, pains me to say it. Tookie is right, He played one game in 2009 but none in 2010.

        But….this year is not factored in, and he has played 14 games this year, which is all he had remaining on his exemption.

        HE IS NO LONGER EXEMPT FROM WAIVERS. He was exempt in October though

        • Tooks

          Thats correct, we missed our chance to send him down when he was exempt….Another bone headed move by Sens Org. WTH are we doing?

  • FistsofNeil25

    I’m not keen on giving up on Cowen. He has way too much potential to just throw away now unless it’s for another promising young player in return. He’s obviously just lacking confidence right now. He’s so nervous right now. He’ll get through this rut he’s in and be a better player for it in the end.

    People are forgetting how good this guy was just two seasons ago in his rookie year. Missing all of last season hurt him and it didn’t help his situation at all to hold out of training camp like he did.

    He’s a young player who’s going through growing pains, and I guarantee if we trade him away now when his value is low then we will be regretting in the future.

  • esk

    So cowen isn’t being sent down because it would be what 3mill in the minors? Makes sense. Probably last resort..

    • Miguel

      Well it is a case of burn a few $$$ now in hopes he can get his game right, or risk losing 10 million if he acutally does not get better and is a bust.
      I firmly believe a few weeks with Luke in the minors may get him back to where he was, but playing up here is only making his game worse… IMO

    • Alcatraz

      Actually he would only be making 1.5 in the minors this year as his contract goes up every year….1.5 then 2.7….then 3.7…..then 4.5

  • NickofTime

    Still hoping to see Conacher & Condra replaced in this lineup as well as Corvo but it’s likely going to take a trade to get them out & who would want any of them right now? Both Conacher & Condra are playing 7 minutes or less & Corvo plays rarely, we have better options in Bingo to call up to play. Good start to bring up Hoffman but they also need to bring up Stone (if he isn’t hurt again) & bring back Grant & Boroweicki. If Ceci is ready for the NHL by the deadline, maybe they can move Phillips for something. BM has to get rid of a few of these non-performing players some how.

    This would be my lineup:
    MacArthur – Spezza – Zibanejad
    Hoffman – Turris – Ryan
    Michalek – Grant – Stone
    Greening – Z. Smith – Neil/Kassian

    Methot – Karlsson
    Wiercioch – Phillips (Ceci slots in here)
    Cowen – Gryba/Boroweicki

    • Millennium

      If we’re talking about moving non-performing players, Greening has to be top of the list.

      In fact, I would move him before Conacher, because CC is still young enough that he still has potential that he might not have hit yet. Greening is likely at his peak at this point.

    • Hax

      That would be an incredibly green set of D-men. I wasn’t thrilled with signing Corvo when it happened but he’s been what we asked for: steady veteran who can be scratched if everyone else is playing well (which hasn’t happened that much). And you want 3 rookies in our top 9 in addition to the two rookies and two sophomores on D? Building for the future are we?

  • esk
  • Alcatraz

    Kulikov scratched tonight. He was drafted 14th overall in 2009.

    Player A:
    Junior Hockey: 57gp…62pts
    NHL: 259gp…83pts

    Player B:
    Junior Hockey: 169gp…71pts
    NHL: 116gp….22pts

    Player A is Kulikov
    Player B is Cowen

    Obviously the biggest difference is 6’1″ 196lbs vs 6’5″ 230lbs

    But would a swap of struggling dmen work? Kulikov does play with an edge as he averages 0.65 PIMS/per game while Cowen averages .77 PIMS/Per game

    • Tooks

      And Kulikov is a great skater with a great first pass.

  • Alcatraz

    Anyone oppose a Kulikov for Cowen swap? Both taken top 15 in 2009

    Kulikov way more offensive upside, but still plays with an edge, as he averages .65 pims/per game while Cowen is at .75pims/pergame

    Obviously we all think Cowen is better because we see him more, but Kulikov dominated in the QMJHL

    • Millennium

      A disgruntled Russian is a flight risk, so probably not worth it.

      • Alcatraz

        Quite the discriminatory stereotype

        • Millennium

          not at all. They have a competitive league back home that offers huge money tax free, there is no other country that offers such competition for contracts.

          • Alcatraz

            He knew this, yet still came to the QMJHL to make it to the NHL. Not every Russian is a loyal Russian who only wants money and to play at home

            Sure Radulov and Kovalchuk bolted, but Kovalchuk was a family man and after lockout was done with NHL. Radulov never had the option of KHL when he was younger, so it was QMJHL/NHL or nothing. Then KHL came around and he bolted

          • Millennium

            I wasn’t implying that every Russian would take home money over the NHL. I’m just saying that if a Russian feels like he’s being mistreated/under appreciated in the NHL, he has an alternative that is even more attractive than it is for non-Russian players. Still a fringe scenario, but I think it’s something that organizations consider at least on the margin. It’s not a judgement of character or a stereotype, its a business risk.

          • Alcatraz

            For sure, I get that idea, but I just find it poor taste that the minute a Russian complains about how they are being played, immediately flight risk is brought up.

            Florida sucks, and Kulikov is far from their main problem, I like that he is upset about sitting, and doesn’t think he shoudl be. To me thats competitiveness. Ya probably could keep his mouth shut, btu I agree with him lol. He’s been ok this year, struggles a little but that team is a mess

          • Millennium

            Unfortunately GM’s have to think like businessmen and not like hockey players, so they have to consider these things, no matter how fringe the scenario is.

            For what its worth, I agree with you. He should be unhappy, and he should get pissed, and let it motivate him to better his game, and maybe get himself onto a team that is a better fit for him.

            its just an unfortunate reality that its a red-flags for GM’s these days. Hopefully contract agreements between the KHL and NHL will remove the problem.

      • Tooks

        Keeping Cowen in hopes he develops properly is as much of a risk.

    • Hax

      No thanks – they need to get Cowen developed properly.

      • Alcatraz

        What makes you think he can be developed properly? Injury Prone…Hasn’t shown signs of improvement in over 2 years

        • Hax

          Not many shut-down type D are “developed” by Cowen’s age. It usually takes longer. And I don’t buy that any player is “injury prone”. It’s like Cowen missed a whole season after a basic body check.

          • Tooks

            The point is we dont want those types od D-men, they are being phased out of the NHL, only the Elite like Weber, Chara, etc… remain and its because they can do it all. Cowen cant do it all, he cant even skate, or handle the puck. Getting Kulikov is a risk but so is keeping Cowen in hopes he turns his game around. Both are risky. I would go with Kulikov cuz he can skate and move the puck.

    • Alcatraz

      Also sorry for the double post, I made the first one, then it didn’t appear for like 5 minutes, so I remade it lol

    • Miguel

      I would not be so quick to pass up on that trade, would really have to think long and hard on this one. Not sure why FLA would bite on this one though, judging by Cowen’s play right now

      • Alcatraz

        Kulikov is just as much in Florida doghouse as Cowen is in ours. It could be one of those fresh start on prospects type trade. Ottawa may even be able to coax a little extra from Florida by shee size of Cowen alone haha

        • Alcatraz

          Kulikov is about a 50% corsi guy last 2 years as well

    • Phoenix

      Too much of a risk to take on Kulikov unless Florida throws something else in. With the minimal number of Russians in the league and the big bucks overseas, I can see him leaving on a Jet plane.

      I hope Cowen realizes that his pay day is long way off based on how he is performing and that Sens management believed in him by offering the big contract at a reduced rate. Unless he gets his act together over the next couple of years he won`t be seeing that kind of money again.

      The guys I would target out of Florida are Gilbert and Matthias as both are on cheap and manageable contracts. Setoguchi out of Winnipeg is another forward to look at as he is also a UFA at seasons end. That being said it looks like the UFA forward class is shaping up to be decent next season, provided not all are resigned.

      • Alcatraz

        You do know that no one in the NHL wanted Gilbert and he is only on Florida because of a try out and Florida needing to get above the cap floor?

        • Phoenix

          He has 8 points and is a plus 3 on a very bad team. He has also been putting in some good minutes on the team, about 22 a game. I think at 900k he would be a good leader and suitable 2nd pairing option. Put Phillips back to the 3rd line with Wiercoch or Cowen.

    • Tooks

      I would try it, big slow stay at home D-men are falling out of style. Kulikov is a puck mover with great wheels and a good first pass., thats what we are looking for.

  • Hax

    Looks like Anderson will start against Thomas

    • Tooks

      We really cant afford to lose to the lowly Panthers!

  • Zachpraisetheswedes

    Anyone seen the 67′s 1st overal pick Konecny play?