Hoffman in Line for One Way Deal

SensChirp April 30, 2014 455
Hoffman in Line for One Way Deal

Over the course of the off season, Ottawa Senators General Manager Bryan Murray is going to need to make some tough decisions about who stays and who goes. With nine unrestricted free agents and another twelve that are restricted, it’s pretty clear that not everybody is going to be back next season.

One of the more interesting decisions will be what the Senators decide to do with Mike Hoffman.

The 24 year old Kitchener native is coming off a season where he was finally able to show he can take a regular shift at the NHL level. Appearing in 25 games with the big team, Hoffman’s speed and hockey sense made him a solid fit in the team’s top six forwards. Head Coach Paul MacLean clearly liked what he saw, using Hoffman as a point man on the team’s power play down the stretch.  While he finished the season with just six points, he looked more than comfortable playing with the team’s best players.

And as impressive as he was at the NHL level, Hoffman was even better in the American Hockey League. Hoffman was named to the AHL’s first all-star team thanks to a 30 goal, 67 point performance during his 51 games with the Binghamton Senators. The BSens could certainly use him during the Calder Cup playoffs but because he had to clear waivers to be sent back down, the Ottawa Senators weren’t willing to risk losing him for nothing.

That alone is a pretty good indication that he is in the team’s plans heading into next season.

When Hoffman signed his last contract, a one year/two way deal, everybody sort of agreed it was his last chance to prove himself in the Senators organization. And he came through in a big way, putting together a career year and finally earning an extended call up.

And now with that one year deal coming to an end, Hoffman (a restricted free agent) will be looking for a new contract this summer. Assuming they plan to keep him in the mix, the decision Bryan Murray will have to make comes down to a one way or two way deal. With an impressive season as leverage, you know Hoffman will be looking to land a one way contract that earns him a regular spot in the big team’s line up next season. Milan Michalek has occupied one of the team’s left wing spots the past few seasons but appears ready to test free agency which could open up a regular spot for Hoffman next year.

It’s safe to assume Hoffman will be back but whether it’s on a one way or two way deal remains to be seen.  A quick look at the depth chart shows the team may be a little light at the wing position heading into next season but for a budget conscious team, that may mean a good opportunity for young guys like Hoffman to earn a regular spot in the line up.

Where do you see Mike Hoffman fitting in with the team next season? If you were Bryan Murray, would you give him a one way deal?

-Game 3 of the Binghamton Senators first round series against the Wilkes-Barre Scranton Penguins goes tonight in Wilkes-Barre. The BSens may have a familiar face back in the line up as Jim O’Brien is expected to return after missing the last 17 games with an injury.  Game 4 of the series is scheduled for Friday night in Wilkes-Barre.  Here’s how Head Coach Luke Richardson had his forwards lined up at yesterday’s practice.

  • Andrews theory

    I think Hoffman has definitely shown he can play at this level and his speed is a significant upgrade to the top 6 and overall team mobility.

    This guy has been underestimated since he broke into juniors and I’d be willing to bet that he continues to out perform the expectations of his detractors.

    Prediction for 14/15

    Full season in the show, 21 goals, 24 assists

    Surprised to see Puemple on the 4th line?

    • Brutus5247

      Might want to see what he can do in tougher situations, or balancing lines. Wouldn’t read to much into it.

      • SensChirp

        I actually think that’s a 5th line and that none of them are expected to play. Puempel has been dealing with an injury in this series.

      • Tooks

        You should, those lines are indicative of how they will roll. Like SC said thats like 5th line, players who wont play tonight.

    • Cicero

      He’s earned a one-way contract, although matching Greening will be a target for his agent. He appears to be a hard worker who wants to improve in areas that need improving. Having him on the point, watching him make mistakes and then go right back out there and play with more focus was hopeful.

      I hope you’re right about those numbers! I’d be happy if he got 15/20 in a first full season.

    • Mat

      Looks like Puemple is on a 5th line?

  • Cicero

    In the Elliote Freidman interview post by Chirp above, talking Spezza starts at 11:57.

  • FistsofNeil25

    Easy decision to give Hoffman a one-way contract. I would hope that it’s only a one or two year contract since he still has a ton to prove at the NHL level.

    I wouldn’t pencil him in to a top six forward spot though. I don’t think he’s ready for that. I think he should be used in the bottom six where he could take advantage of playing against weaker competition.

    He’s definitely earned a chance to continue to prove himself next season in the NHL. Give the man a one-way contract. He won’t accept anything less.

  • Dirk-Diggler

    Give him a 4 year deal at 1.25, 1.5, 1.5 and 2.0M per year. He’s earned it and would be great value at that money

  • FistsofNeil25

    So Freidman thinks Nashville would be a good fit for Spezza. Does anyone else see it? I don’t really. Obviously they need an offensive played of Spezza’s caliber but do they have the assets that they would be willing an able to give up? We would definitely want Josi coming our way but that may be asking for a bit much. He’s a 23 y/o #2 or #3 defenceman signed until 2020 at $4 000 000 per season.That would be a big gamble for Nashville to trade him for a 31 year old center with injury issues and an expiring contract.

    So what else does Nashville have to offer. Craig Smith? Colin Wilson? Filip Forsberg? You would have to think that Weber and Jones are off the table so it sure doesn’t leave a lot of pieces that Ottawa would be interested in.

    I would take Craig Smith and Filip Forsberg as a package if Josi is an untouchable. Only probably with that is that both Smith and Forsberg are right hand shots which we’re already pretty loaded with. But both can play wing or center which is always an asset.

    • Jordan Hendren

      Agreed. If I was Spezza I’d want to go to a team that at least had some sort of hope for contention going forward. Nashville isn’t on my list of teams he’d want to go to, especially now that Trotz is out of the picture.
      I’m leaning towards St.Louis and Anaheim in the west, Columbus and Philadelphia in the East as viable trading partners. Though Columbus could easily be on Spezza’s list of 10.
      That’s not a huge market, and that worries me, because if we’re adamant we’re trading Spezza, we can’t afford to not get back a helluva return.

      • FistsofNeil25

        Yeah I see St Louis and Anaheim as prime destinations in the west as well. Maybe Dallas and L.A.

        Yesterday Yost wrote an article on Spezza to St Louis, and made a checklist of why they are a good fit.

        - Cap space
        - Need for a top six center
        - Lots of desirable assets
        - “win now” mentality

        STL, ANA, LA all fit that description, and Dallas does as well, minus the win now mentality as they’re still very young.

        In the east, I actually see Washington as a pretty good fit, along with Tampa and the Rangers.

        • Hax

          Blues seem like the best fit when you factor in everything. The loser of tonight’s battle of California might be in the mix as well. Perhaps the Stars too after another quick exit?

          • FistsofNeil25

            Yeah I definitely see L.A. and DAL in the mix. Not so sure about SJ though. Is Spezza much different than the many guys they have? Honestly if they go down tonight after having a 3-0 lead in the series, I’m not sure they’ll know what to do. Todd McLellan will likely pay the price

        • Tooks

          STL, ANA, LA wont go after Spezza, LA especially after the Gaborik failure.

          They are all built for strongfast hockey, committment to Defense and hard work. They wont go after Spezza. That and I dont see them offering up young top end players for Spezza.

          • FistsofNeil25

            How exactly has Gaborik been a failure? 16 points in 19 regular season games and 3 goals 1 assist in 6 playoff games. Yeah what a failure that addition has been.

            STL and ANA won’t go for Spezz eh? is that why there have been numerous reports indicating that both of those teams made calls on Spezza at the deadline?

          • spezzerman

            ya, just because Sens fans undervalue Spezza, doesnt mean everyone else will too. At the end of the day, he is a guaranteed point per game player and that has tremendous value, despite his other weaknesses.

          • s3nsfan75

            Well Tooks holds higher standards right, cause he’s of the opinion that he is such a higher hockey mind than the rest of us. But yeah, ppg with a new team and .5 in playoffs, is a TERRIBLE failure, how DARE YOU even mention his name. lmao

      • Mat

        Didn’t Spezza have to submit his list in 2012? Trotz was still the coach then and his decision would not have been impacted by him getting fired…
        But I agree, Nashville could use Spezza. But there’s nothing in Nashville that would make the Sens better, other than their untouchables..

    • spezzerman

      I like Ryan Ellis a lot too but he may be redundant with Karlsson and Ceci. But, he is a dandy.

    • sprucesens

      I’m glad friedman see’s the same thing I’ve posted a few times. spezza and wiercioch for Josi and Forsberg! make it happen murray! lol. Nashville has a glut of top flight D. So losing josi when you have ellis, jones, and o yeah, weber! doesn’t make that much of a loss, when they can finally get a true 1C, that they’ve never had. I think its a perfect fit, but we’ll see if he is interested in going to play with his ol’ buddy fisher!

  • EK65

    If Greening and Condra can have multi-year one way deals, Hoffman is more than worthy in my books.

    • FistsofNeil25

      That’s a very flawed logic lol two wrongs don’t make a right

      • 383

        What are you talking about man!? BM loves that logic, “we already let Alfie walk, we can’t afford to let another Vet walk-OK give CP4 a 2 yr deal.”
        I will forever hate that signing.

        • runningbear1974

          I felt nauseous after that signing… I really didn’t want to be a fan anymore…

      • sbs138

        3 wrongs…if they give him more than 2 yrs

    • Aaron 2.0

      Condra is one of those players that really divides the fan-base on his utility. I still think he has a lot of up-side in the bottom 6. Granted, he had a bad start to the season (like pretty much everybody else). But, besides that, I can’t remember any other time he’s ever struggled in his role on the team.

      Sure, he doesn’t score often (edit: almost never), but the opposing doesn’t score when he’s on the ice either! If it’s a game of margins (just be on the right side of goals for versus goals against), then it seems to me like he’s doing fine in the bottom 6. We’d all love for him to score more. But, his defensive skills shouldn’t be overlooked, IMO. Add that his puck possession numbers are crazy good, and he may be our best penalty killer, all for a cap hit of $1.25 million, and I just don’t see why we’re so quick to want him gone.

      Unfortunately, I can’t say anything to nice about Greening, other than I don’t think he can be any less effective than he was this year!

      • FistsofNeil25

        Yeah I agree with you on Condra. He’s definitely a useful player. It’s just hard to figure out where he fits in. In my opinion he’s the perfect fourth line guy, which would leave us to choose between him and Neil on the fourth line right wing.

        Ottawa’s problem right now is we have a ton of depth of NHL caliber forwards. Why is that a problem? Because most of those players are either very unproven (Hoffman, Stone etc) or borderline third line or good fourth line guys (Smith, Neil, Condra etc)

        It’s not fun going in to every season lately saying to ourselves “will (insert player name here) take the next step to become a top six forward?”

        Obviously changes will be made this summer, but as it stands right now, guys like Condra, Neil, Greening are in line for more third line minutes again next season. This is not a good thing.

        • runningbear1974

          Not necessarily… I’m liking Hoffman-Smith-Stone on our 3rd line… Gives us scoring potential and defensive responsibility…
          Pageau-Condra-Neil-Greening on the 4th line…
          Find some wingers for Zibby somewhere out there…

      • Jakester

        Condra bottom 3 if anything, 3rd line he kills all potential offence. I think the organization has better players in Bingo. I’d let this ship sail!

      • runningbear1974

        I agree about Greening… Really hard to imagine him doing worse next year…
        I trust Condra on 5-3…

      • Zelle

        A lot more people would like Condra if he could hit the net. That’s really his biggest liability. Beauty opportunities just squandered by shooting wide. Like, way wide. Apart from that I really like his game. I find it gets dangerous to evaluate players only based on their points.

  • Tooks

    Well he’s in my top 6 so yeah, give him a 3 year deal.

    • FistsofNeil25

      Who else is in your top six?

      • Tooks

        Turris
        Ryan
        Hemsky (tho probably Michalek due to budget)
        Zib (goes down 3C IF 19 stays)
        MacA

        • Jakester

          Give up the 19 staying idea.

          • Tooks

            I’m saying he’s staying cuz Murray wont like the offers enough to send him packing. Has to be a great offer and we wont get any from anyone.

          • Jakester

            We’re not trying to trade Jake Gardiner here! Spezza will get a suitor!

          • Miguel

            have to agree here:
            As usual everyone who hates Spezza, and says he is useless, will expect every other team to lineup up for his services, and give up a top , a prospect, and a first rounder.
            If you think he is useless, and we HAVE to move him, why do you think other teams will give you any value for him?
            We had better temper our expectations on what we get, and also the type of team we will have without him. IMO

        • FistsofNeil25

          Hemsky and Michalek are likely both gone. Same with Spezza obviously.

          That leaves us with Mac, Turrie, Bobby, and Zib. Unless we sign a free agent or acquire a top six forward in a trade, Hoffman and Stone will fill out the other two wing spots.

          That’s a whole lot of youth and inexperience. Likely a whole lot of trouble.

          • Pasky

            I think it might be same to assume Stewart will slot in next to Zib on the RW position, unless that trade really doesn’t get done but I don’t see that being the case.

            Mac-Turris-Ryan
            XXXX-Zib-Stewart

          • Tooks

            Give up the Stewart coming to Ottawa idea.

          • Pasky

            Pretty sure it’s going to happen whether we like it or not. As long as there’s 50% retained salary I’m happy with it. Would you rather have Greening at 2M or Stewart at 2M?

          • Tooks

            Yes hence why Spezza aint going nowhere and Hemsky stays put.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Neither will happen buddy. Time to move on.

  • Hax

    He’ll get a one-way deal I’m sure and that’s fine assuming the dollars aren’t crazy.

    However, in a perfect world (where contracts were more about merit and less about potential) he really only deserves a two-way deal. Maybe one year or something. He should be looking at the NHL side of that contract only with the personal assumption that he’s going to play well enough that the AHL side of it will never come into play.

  • Pasky

    Historically speaking here are the first 1-way deals of some of the forwards BM signed recently:

    Smith – 2 year 1.4M – $700,000 AVG/year
    Condra – 2 year 1.25M – $625,000 AVG/year
    Greening – 3 year 2.45M – $816,667 AVG/year
    O’Brien – 2 year 1.275M – $637,500 AVG/year

    I’ll use Greening as the example since his contract was the highest. This was his stats in his last year before signing that contract:
    AHL – 59GP 15G 25A 40P +12
    AHL Playoffs – 23GP 1G 4A
    NHL – 24GP 6G 7A 13P +2

    Hoffman’s stats of this year now:
    AHL – 51GP 30G 37A 67P +11
    NHL – 25GP 3G 3A 6P -2

    Things to keep in mind, they are both 24 years old & both LW who have experience at Center. Hoffman’s AHL stats are better but Greening’s NHL stats are better. One thing to mention is that Greening was fresh out of college at the time so that was his 1st pro season. Hoffman is in his 4th season in the AHL so he has alot more experience. Another thing to note is that Hoffman has been been used on the 3rd line most of the year, where Greening was considered a possibility for the 1st line with Michalek and Spezza, so that influenced his contract big time.

    At the end of the day, i don’t think Hoffman deserves a contract that’s bigger than Greening at this point. Not to mention the amount of competition in the forward depth makes him expendable if he doesn’t improve next year. So here is my contract prediction, feel free to reply with your own.

    2 Year, 1.5M – $750,000 AVG/year
    Year 1 – $625,000
    Year 2 – $875,000

    • Hax

      Awesome post – thanks for all the research behind it.

      • Pasky

        Thanks, you can tell I’m having a productive day at work

    • Tooks

      “Greening was considered a possibility for the 1st line with Michalek and Spezza, so that influenced his contract big time”

      and what a mistake that notion was…wish we could go back in time and undo this contract, sigh.

      I would give Hoffman 3 years at 4.5M
      Year 1 – $1,000,000
      Year 2 – $1,500,000
      Year 3 – $2,000,000

    • Brutus5247

      Typically BM is cheap with RFA contracts.

  • RUSH RLZ

    So much depth and talent at all levels of the org! Can you imagine the crazy awesome summer this COULD be if we didn’t have a broke / evil … whatever-the-hell-we-are-calling-him-now type of owner?

    • spezzerman

      why would need a crazy awesome summer with all that depth and talent? ;)

      • RUSH RLZ

        To rejig out many pieces for a maximum contention NHL level product?

  • Sensturion

    Jagr? JAGR!? Are you kidding me? ”Unwavering dedication” to the game? Give me a break. Malhotra makes sense. He’s basically blind in one eye and still throws his face in front of shots to block them. Moore lost his waife to cancer, left the game and came back out of love. That makes sense.

    Karlsson nearly severed his achilles tendon and was supposed to miss 6 to 8 months. He worked his ass off and came back in 3. THAT deserves a masterton nom. Not some 45 year old who shoots a damn puck for more retirement money.

    • Tooks

      Thats Mr to you punk! JAGS!

    • WaitingSince92

      Uh, he will be 43 next year and he still plays at a high level. Most defencemen can’t even do that.

    • s3nsfan75

      so for a 43 year old this isn’t playing at a high level?

      82-24-43-67

      To me 67 points is a pretty good accomplishment for a 43 year old.

      • aegiszx

        Not to mention the legend that Jagr gets up at like 5 am and starts skating by 6. And thats after a game the previous night.

        His work ethic is unbelievable.

  • sprucesens

    Sign hoffy! he’s done nothing but produce and work his butt off to try and make the team. Then we he is called up, he does a great job using his speed and hands. The points will come as he gets chemistry. You can’t let players with that kind of speed go. When they get comfortable, they tend to score more. give him a 2 year 1 way deal in the 1.5 range. Then watch the fireworks!

  • Tooks

    That shooting chart is exactly why we failed as a team. Perimiter shooting and imaginary net cvg.

  • ProfessorPower

    I would prefer to trade with LA because they are a team of proven winners, but if we are going to trade with STL i could see something working out.

    Spezza for Shattenkirk + Ty Rattie + the rights to Steve Ott

    Ottawa could possibly add a B prospect or a role player like Condra.

    Next trade Wiercioch + Prince for Chris Stewart at 50% retained.

    Sign Penner for 2-3 mil since Rattie needs another year in the AHL.

    Macarthur-Turris-Stone
    Stewart-Zibanejad-Ryan
    S.Ott-Lazar-Penner
    Greening-Smith-Neil
    Hoffman – he can be switched with Greening if we manage to flip him for a pick, in that case we would carry Pageau as the 13th forward.

    Methot-Karlsson
    Cowen-Shattenkirk
    Boro-Ceci
    Philips

    Thats a Big Mean and Nasty team to play against (flip Stone and Ryan for best fit)

    • FistsofNeil25

      Penner and Stewart – Two players that are supposed to be big, mean and nasty but instead are big, inconsistent, lazy, and have questionable work ethic. Not to mention that both players were just easily discarded from two contending teams.

      • Tooks

        Yeah but we want them, give us all yer discarded players, cheap, bargain bin players!! LOL Ottawa will take them all!

        • Sittin’ In the Bleachers

          first items in this summer’s Joe Corvo Bargain Bin ?

    • Tooks

      If you meant to say big and SLOW ass team, then yes, yes it is, lol.

      Oh maybe you should read up a bit but Spezza wont fetch you 3 pieces from STL, lol. Especially not Shattenkirk and Rattie

      • boom

        They wouldn’t even give us Shattenkirk straight up for Spezza, IMO.

    • RUSH RLZ

      I stopped reading when I saw the word Penner.

      • Sittin’ In the Bleachers

        I as well

        • iKarly65

          I stopped reading when I saw that $$$ was required.

        • whammer44

          ditto

      • Jakester

        Haha

      • ProfessorPower

        fag

        • Zelle

          What an intelligent retort.

        • RUSH RLZ

          OoooOooOooooOOooooh! Somebody has their panties all in a bunch.

          • ProfessorPower

            stupid people get stupid answers

    • runningbear1974

      Can we stop putting Greening-Smith-Neil together? They’re really not that great of a line…

      • Zelle

        Have they tried Greening with Zbad and Stone?

  • sbs138

    3rd line mostly with some minutes in the Top 6, although he shouldn’t be there, and some PP time.

  • Mat

    I fail to see how St-Louis would see logic going afer Spezza. They have an abundance of good centremen. Backes, Oshie and Roy are all capable T6 and Spezza would obviously accept nothing less than 1C or 2C. They have Berglund who is underutilized and Max Lapierre is a capable bottom 6.

    If the logic is that change is needed, than 1 or 2 C’s would be shipped out. Would Oshie be available as a return?
    I do agree with others on this site that Shattenkirk would be a great return but I would be concerned about or top 6 if we lost an entire line and got nothing to compensate. I personnally don’t think Zbad is ready for the 2C role just yet. Would like to see him 3C on a line with Hoffman and Condra.

    • Millennium

      Roy is a UFA, and they can easily play Oshie on the wing (doesn’t he play there a bunch anyways?). They have some great players, but I think they are missing a gamebreaker forward, which is what Spezza is supposed to be.

      Hitchcock seemed to like Spezza’s game a few years ago, but I dunno how he would fit in such a defensive system.

    • sprucesens

      roy horribly under performed this year, finding the pressbox a few times, and I believe is a UFA. I believe oshie plays 1C. Having oshie down to 2C with spezza as 1 or vice verca, is an upgrade likely for them. And they have a good enough D core to cover spezza’s downfall there. Unless we tried to pry oshie away in the trade. The only way this happens, if they see that they just aren’t going to make it with what they have, and want to change things up. Some people lable the playoff loss as bad luck of the draw to get Chicago, well guess what, you have to beat the best teams eventually, to win the cup. Sure they might get lucky and have other teams upset, but that only happens once in a while. I know murray likes oshie and is likely trying again to acquire him. Fits the mold of the type of players we want, so it COULD happen.

    • Pasky

      I would prefer we get Shattenkirk as a return but if he isn’t available in a trade then I think the big piece coming to us would bet Berglund, but since he’s an RFA an extension would have to be in place first. That would solve the 2C but I think Zibanejad is ready for it personally. It seems last year he was one of our best forwards and he was stuck playing with sub-par wingers.

      • Andrews theory

        ask yourself;
        if im St Louis would i let Shattenkirk Pietrangelo go? the answer is easy.. Jay Bo will be the piece they push as part of the package…
        and Roy sucked this year for the record…

        • Pasky

          Jay Bo has been paired with Pietrangelo for a few seasons now, Shattenkirks been playing behind them with Jackman. Not to mention Jay Bo signed an extension this season that includes a no-trade clause, where as Shattenkirk has none. And if I’m Jay Bo, and I had the option to stay with St-Louis and make a run at the cup for the next 3 years, or go to the Senators, that are in a transition period for the next 3 years, I pick St-Louis everyday.

        • Jakester

          Maybe Spezza and Cowen for Jaybo, plus plus. I could see that!

        • runningbear1974

          Really impressed with how well Jay Bo played in the Olympics… He would be a really nice fit with Karlsson, quite the improvement on Kuba…

        • FistsofNeil25

          They would be smart to hold on to Jay-Bo as well and use a guy like Berglund, prospects and futures to improve their top six center hole. They have no reason to trade away any of their top three defenseman.

  • whammer44

    Every blog post turns into a trade for Spezza speculation and/or how to unload Greening. Can hardly wait for a trade to happen so we can move on and either crown BM as king of the world or bury him alive.

    I would give Hoffman a one way. Odds are it will be 3 years around $3 mill.

    He is currently in the top 9 forwards that are coming back. Hey and if doesn’t work out we can always put him on waivers and cheer for him when Buff comes to town.

    • WaitingSince92

      Re: Greening

      By now, the best course of action is to admit we made a mistake (especially as a so-called budget team) and keep Greening as a regular 4th liner. Any trade will be akin to just letting him go.

      I still hold out hope that he can be a great playoff grinder who chips in a few points a series.

      • Millennium

        If they could unload Greening for future considerations, I’d still pull the trigger. We need the money and roster spot more than any return on him.

      • runningbear1974

        I don’t think Greening is as bad as people say… He did have some good moments… I mean, he did have some alright moments… He’s fine as a 4th line winger…

        • FistsofNeil25

          You don’t pay 4th line winger 2.7 million a year. If we’re going to be a budget team, we need to get good value out of our players. We’re getting great value from MacArthur and Turris, but we’re getting terrible value out of Greening and a few others.

          Greening is junk bud. I would be fine if he was on the 4th line making half of what he is, but he isn’t. He’s taking up too much of our internal cap (yes 2.7 million is too much for him) and he’s taking a valuable roster spot away from someone who can contribute to the team.

          Greening doesn’t contribute anything. Plays die on his stick. He’s lost defensively. His contract was a mistake and all we can hope for is that Murray finds a way to dump him.

          • Senatollah

            buy out, but not compliance buyout so it still counts against the cap.
            Still wonder if there could be a compliance buyout as part of the Spezza trade, we still have two to use this summer. Could really help another team with ‘cap’ issues

          • FistsofNeil25

            I would rather see Eugene increase pay-roll before he spends millions of dollars buying out 4th line players.

            Neither is likely.

  • Andrews theory

    I dont understand why the Sens would even bother with a 2 way deal other than to negotiate a lower one way salary.

    If they send him down, we lose him on waivers so he’s playing in Ottawa next year or some other NHL team…

    • Hax

      Not sure how the rules work but if a new contract still means he needs waivers no matter what, then I guess you’re right.

      Unless they feel he might not make the team out of camp (i.e. pre-waivers)?

      • sprucesens

        yeah, if that’s the case, and I’m Hoffman, I say screw it, I’ve dominated in the ahl for a couple years now, done everything I can, and done well in my call up. Then you tell me I might not make camp, on a low level 1 way contract, on a “budget” team, and you pay guys like greening 3 mill? I’d be asking for a trade immediately, if that’s how the team felt about him. I’m sure he’s in their plans, if not as top tier trade bait to land something else really good.

        • Hax

          Well I like Hoffy but “done everything I can, and done well in my call up”? Not sure I entirely agree unless you mean “well” as in a decent job. But it’s not like he scored 10 goals or something. Six points total doesn’t mean he’s suddenly due a big contract.

          • sprucesens

            no, not a big contract, but playing well, although not putting up as many points as he’s used to, is worthy of a contract in the 1.5 range for say 2 years? I don’t think that is really out of the question for either party. If the team isn’t willing to offer that, I’d be looking elsewhere. At 24 he is right entering his prime. Time to get in the bigs or call it a career. And if we don’t give him the career, someone else would love to add him to their team

          • Hax

            I think Pasky’s comparables are better numbers.

            Again, not saying he won’t/shouldn’t get a 1-way. Just saying it’s not like he’s suddenly jumped into the top 6 to stay.

          • Deadly

            He has put in his time in this organization.If he can’t make this team he might want to move along.

          • Hax

            Won’t deny that – and apparently his girlfriend told some dude at Popeye’s the same thing so there’s that.

          • Jakester

            Christ can this team get their act together, we sign CRUD like Greening and Condra and we have a guy with talent who can do laps around those shit players and we question giving him a contract! come on!

          • Hax

            Who says anyone (other than fans/Chirp) are questioning it at all? Maybe Murray’s planning a 7yr offer.

            A year from now if Hoffman only has 5 goals you’ll be calling him CRUD won’t you?

  • WaitingSince92

    I think there’s a reason every post’s comment section turns into Spezza fantasy trade discussion.

    The Sens have had high end talent leave with little or no compensation (Chara, Havlat, Heatley), we’ve traded high draft picks (to get Spezza/Chara), we’ve swapped stars (Hossa/Heatley) and we’ve packaged assets for stars (Ryan) but we’ve never really marketed a star of Spezza’s ilk. Plus, there’s a good list of suitors who need what Spezza brings and that have a good talent pool to trade from.

    Oh, and yeah, sign Hoffman. He’s got good offensive instincts and speed you can’t teach. One way, two years would be preferable. Ceiling seems to be top 6, but I could see him doing well in a third line capacity to add some offense to the bottom 6.

    • A-Train

      It only makes sense that Spezza talk will dominate until his future is settled. Biggest move for this team in a long time.

      • WaitingSince92

        Since signing Redden and letting Chara walk. It looks to me like we’ll do better with this decision though.

        • Hax

          While that Chara/Redden situation was handled horribly (according to stories I’ve heard at least) I will admit that at the time I felt that Redden was going to have more success in “the new NHL”. I wanted to keep both of course, but that was never an option.

          Again “at the time”. Clearly I was wrong about that (a little).

          • boom

            Me too…(as if that will make you feel better)

          • A-Train

            i commend the honesty here guys. (for the record i was anti-redden, pro-chara).

            feels like the beginning of a new thread: what Sens move were you most wrong about?

            mine: i thought they should’ve signed Comrie to a long term deal.

          • Jakester

            Comrie, he works as a stock boy in one of his Dad’s THE BRICK stores now!

          • A-Train

            yeah…but at the time i thought he was the long-lost secondary scoring.

  • A-Train

    Looking at prospects Ty Rattie from the Blues system doesn’t seem like what the Ottawa Senators need: Smallish playmaking centre with skill but questionable skating.

    • FistsofNeil25

      He’s a right winger and he’s not that small. 6’0” 185lbs or something like that. Just scored 31 goals and 17 assists in his first year of pro hockey. Actually, his numbers are eerily similar to Puempel’s this year in what is also his first year of pro hockey (30 g 18 a).

      Puempel is 6’0” 190 lbs. Both players have a nose for the net and it’s been said of both players that they’ll only make it to the big leagues if they improve their strength and skating ability.

      I think people only mention Rattie because he’s St Louis’ top prospect along with Dimitrij Jaskin.

      • A-Train

        ah, my bad. thought he was a centre.

  • Pasky

    I solved the Greening problem guys…. Make him Captain, that way we can get rid of him next year

    • wild bill

      Spezza and Greening on the same line. That was the best we do for a point a game center. Shows our depth.

      • runningbear1974

        Spezza is not an easy player to deal with… You give him good linemates and he spends his time passing the puck… You give him shit linemates and he shoots the puck… Spezza requires a Heatley and an Alfie to be most effective, and those players are really hard to get… And they cost a lot of money, and it might still be a defensive liability line… It would suck to coach him…

        • Jakester

          And Spezza is not the same guy anymore. He goes in one direction only, don’t understand that??

          • bluebuyyoo

            You have been told Wild Bill. These guys just can’t stop talking about Spezza. Two of his biggest fans.

  • Miguel

    After watching some of the incredible playoff hockey being displayed this year, with some of the games amazing d-men, I cringe to think of what we will have leading this team next season.
    Last summer was filled with so much promise, and this year I am so dismayed by how slow our D are in comparison to the ones that are still playing in the playoffs.
    Watch any of the teams and every team has dmen that can skate with ease and move the puck, and right now aside from EK and Methot, the rest cannot keep pace or are still unproven.
    I really am displeased with many of the decisions we have made for next year ( ie CP4 at 2.5 mil means he will be in our top 4 along again with Cowen ) this will pretty well seel our fate in terms of any hope for a successful season.
    And up front we are cutting loose an offensive Gem, so we are likely planning on trying to win games by only scoring 3 or less goals, when we all know our D will give up at least 4-5 per game.
    I am loving the playoffs this year with some fantastic hockey, however it only reminds me that we are a few years away from being able to keep pace with some of these teams.
    boy o boy its tough to be a sens fan these… at least it could be worse… how the hell do the loser laff fans do this every year????

    • Deadly

      I feel the opposite..excited to move ahead
      I feel that we are in a position to improve the team.

      • FistsofNeil25

        Same. I’m just unsure whether or not we see those improvements as early as next season.

        • Deadly

          Really liking the looks of Lazar and thinking that a lot of our talent lines up with his arrival. Hoping that another 2 years of development for the team across the board should help.
          The reality is that it is so difficult to win in this league , it is unbelievable.
          At the same time , almost any team that makes the playoffs can catch ” lightning in a bottle”.(except the Lightning) The playoffs in hockey ( like baseball) is often the proving grounds and growth opportunity for players to springboard their growth and confidence.(Stone,Lazar,Turris )
          Let’s get back into the playoff next year and continue that growth.

      • Miguel

        that is optimistic, I look at some of these D-men that are big fast move the puck and can skate, and then I think back to CP4 and Cowen, and think we are not even in the same league as most of these teams, Sorry but if we do not change that D lineup, we are in for a similar season as this past year

        • runningbear1974

          Phillips has to go… He’s old and dumb and slow, and makes bad decisions…
          Cowen I don’t know what to say, I also voted to get rid of Chara and keep Redden, so I don’t trust my opinions when it comes to really big dumb defensemen…

      • runningbear1974

        Me too… Since the trade Spezza talk I’m feeling so much better… I thought it was going to be Spezza or Maclean and it felt like the fans were voting to keep Spezza… So sad for me… But, now everything is better… We can stop trying to find a winger for Spezza… Instead we can look at our prospects, and look for some hidden gems in the league like Macarthur…
        Our team was good and bad then good then bad… Now, we’ll have a team that we can expect to continue to improve in the next little while… No more band aid patches…
        Very exciting… Easy for me to cheer for Stone and Hoffman… Really hard for me to cheer for Hemsky…

    • Pasky

      As shitty as the Phillips signing is, I think now given what we know with Spezza that signing needed to be done. They we’re looking at trades involving Phillips right up to the trade deadline which is when they signed him to an extension. You gotta believe that BM had talked to Spezza about possible trades and whether he wanted to come back next year or not before Phillips was extended.

      Otherwise, if they traded Phillips at the deadline, and traded Spezza in the off-season, then they would have lost arguably the 3 biggest players in franchise history in the span of 1 year, going back to Alfie last July. That’s just a terrible PR nightmare and you know that other players on this team would take notice. So expect Phillips to be named captain, he’ll play out his last 2 years and retire as the 1st Sens lifer with over 1000 games.

      As for Cowen, He’s going to improve next season I’m sure. Last off-season he spent re-habbing his bad hip, and delayed his training camp because of contract issue. 2 years ago he played all of 7 games because of that same hip. And it was mentioned that the other hip was injured this year, which would affect his mobility. I think he can build himself up again and have a breakout year next season.

      • Jakester

        I would move Cowen now, don’t like having an anchor on D. You have to skate the puck out of the zone.

        • Pasky

          Cowen has time to improve though if he works on his speed. The guy turned 23 this year so he’s still a little young to give up on yet. Get him a mobile partner on the right side, Ceci if no one is available via trade or free agency, and he should be OK. Another point is that he will be the 2nd pairing so he’ll probably see more time with Zibanejad’s line, so there’s more speed to make up for it. Every team needs at least one big body on the back end to clear the net.

          • Jakester

            2nd pairing D for Cowen that scares me. I think 2nd pairing left D is where we need to pick someone up! I think Claessen cuz he can actually skate and play physical should be 3rd pairing left D, hence. The idea to move Cowen. The guy can’t move. Phillips 7th D. Why did we sign him????

        • runningbear1974

          If Ceci is good enough to insulate Phillips, he’s probably good enough to insulate Cowen… Play Ceci with Cowen… Too bad for Ceci, normally the rookie should have a partner that helps him…

    • Jakester

      Offensive Gem, disaster everywhere else. relax Miguel, Sens were what 7-1 this year without Spezza and we made the playoffs the year before. if you can’t see the talent lined up then watch some AHL games.

  • sprucesens

    chirp, to follow up on friedman’s tweet. He says that he sees it between now and the draft, that spezza is traded. If I remember correctly, teams can trade the day after the cup is won, correct? Or is there some buffer time or something in the new CBA? Just wondering what time I have to start checking all the hockey sites religiously again(don’t worry I mostly come here) lol.

    • Millennium

      technically teams can trade whenever. Its playoff eligibility that ends with the trade deadline. The way it plays out though is that nobody usually trades until the playoffs are over, to get a better picture of the supply/demand of the market. Informally it usually means things don’t really happen until close to the Draft.

  • Andrews theory

    The Sens should ask Cowen to spend the summer focused on foot speed training and more importantly brain training through luminosity lol…

    • Zelle

      He actually makes good decisions if the play is slow and in control. It’s when there is pressure and it speeds up he has a problem. There should be some form of training where he is made to think under pressure, that would be best.

  • Deadly

    Interesting interview with Terry Ryan today.Fifty goal scorer in WHL back in the days,drafted eighth by Montreal and never made the big leagues. Played eight games in NHL.
    Has written a book about his hockey career.
    Really highlights the importance of scouting and evaluating talent.

    • Andrews theory

      lol this from the guy that got drafted top 10 and didnt make it…
      thats kinda funny isn’t it?

      “here are all the reasons I should not have been drafted dumb asses…..”

      • Deadly

        Actually if you mean writing the book , I think it’s great.If I had a kid playing any level of hockey ,thinking he is going to make the big leagues..I would make him read the book.

    • Jakester

      Couldn’t skate the kid, followed his career quite a bit. Had a beer with him at Cheers in Montreal once.

  • Sandy

    I sincerely hope they keep Hoffman. Might as well be a one-way because if it’s a two-way and he goes to the AHL to save $$$ — then he has to go on waivers to Binghamton and you can be damn well sure Tim Murray picks him up for nothing..
    Any decent prospect the Sens have that has to go on waivers to get to the AHL.. will be picked up by Buffalo.
    Seems Tim Murray will try everything to tear things from the Sens from prospects to scouts..
    If Spezza is traded.. this team needs scorers. To make up for Spezza’s points.. it will have to be scoring by committee..
    I hope.. that if Spezza is traded it solely has to be a hockey decision and not a financial decision. If this team starts losing players mostly because the Owner can’t afford to keep them… a la Alfie… then we do definitely need a new Owner..

    • Jakester

      Maybe we won’t have to score as much with two way responsible hockey. Sens will be fine!

      • ProfessorPower

        truue storyy.. what teams is it really down to, Nashville St.Louis LA and the Ducks?

        • Sandy

          Richards shines in the playoffs.. but he’s on his way down as well.
          He plays a hard game and that takes a toll.
          Sooner Toffofi..

        • Jakester

          Spezza, Cowen, and something for Richards, Voynov, and Toffoli. Make it a Blockbuster.

          • ProfessorPower

            Thats what Im saying. Get Richards at a Retained Salary (25%) since its really only bad for the next 2 seasons (7 and 6 mil) as well get assets on top of that. Either young role players with upside like King or Clifford, target a Dman, or add for high end Prospects such as Toffoli.

          • sprucesens

            I wish. not happening though

        • FistsofNeil25

          I don’t want Richards. If we’re trading Spezza we need the return to be able to contribute long term. Richards career is at the very least half over and he’s played a hard game for a long time. Being a smaller guy who plays big, he’s starting to wear down.

          Also take into account that his contract would be a total mess for the Sens to take on. 5.75 million cap hit until 2020. His salary is structured so that he makes 7 million next season, then 6, then 5.5. That’s wayyyyyy too much for a borderline 2nd liner.

          • Jakester

            Agreed though, Sens will avoid Richards contract.

          • ProfessorPower

            I think we would target a retained salary since Spezza at 4 is a bargain for them. It is LA so that shouldnt be an issue, after the next two seasons his contract really isnt bad with all things considered. We would be getting more in the deal, what that is makes or breaks the trade IMO. But hes a character guy, a guy tat can help our mental game and the progress of some of our young players (Lazar, Stone..ect). Having a guy who has won the cup is great for the confidence of the players who surround him. I think he would be a real good asset to this team, and too the fans. His contract has him retiring as a senator. Hes also a two way player, having Turris Richards Zibby and Smith down the middle is a tough center core to deal with. He wont come in here and get 80 pts but he will help us win.

    • Jakester

      This is a hockey decision, this team wants to win. Enough with soft one way pond hockey!

      • Hax

        Actually, all signs point to Spezza wanting out or at least not wanting to sign an extension under the terms Murray can allude to before July 1st. So it’s not like Eugene said “trade him he’s too expensive” (which would be stupid since the internal cap is the internal cap – Murray can spend it as he sees fit) but it’s not about Murray believing we have to get rid of everyone’s favorite whipping boy to have a chance to win.

        I love how this trade rumor is being used to validate the Spezza haters “opinions”.

        • Jakester

          He wasn’t going to be resigned because of the game he plays(which MaCLean can’t stomach), and the risk factor because of his health. This isn’t a money issue in trading Spezza. Like Jacques Martin, MaCLean isn’t a fan that’s all.

          • Hax

            Jakester = Peirre Dorion??

          • Jakester

            People who think the Spezza thing is money related are out to lunch. The only money thing in all this, is that it would be suicide signing him to big money long term. They want him to move on cuz he doesn’t play the game the way they want to play!

          • Hax

            No actually. Spezza wants to move on because he’s unhappy in general and wants to play elsewhere. If you think he’s dying to resign here but Murray believes we’re a better team without him then you’re mistaken.

          • Jakester

            Good, cuz I’m unhappy as well, having to watch his brand of hockey. Murray and MaCLean believe the team will be better without him and they’ll prove it this year. Sens will be a playoff team again in 2014-15.

          • sprucesens

            it sort of is money related though. If he would play for 2 million as 3C and still put up the points, would we really have a problem with it? No. In fact we would love it. Its that he is paid 7+ mill and will look to keep getting paid that for the long run. I would feel, that the 2 big things that are taken into account for this, aside from him wanting to leave, are his health/age, and his play style. IF he had a more defensive game, we would consider a new contract, but that’s not what murray is trying to build, nor what mac is trying to coach. Also, he’s basically looking for his last big contract, and with him not being an ideal candidate for the system, and right at the point where he is getting older and battered, with the contract up, its a smarter business move to capitalize now and get some good assets in return. Meanwhile, from spezza’s view, he kind of knows the same thing, and might want to go somewhere that is more guaranteed to be making a push in the next year or 2. Makes sense for both parties, as alluded to by all comments from everyone involved.
            We all know spezza is going to have 3-5 great years on whatever team he ends up on, maybe even winning a cup. But he likely wasn’t going to put us over the top, where as the top younger pieces coming back, might be part of a core that does get us in that position.

    • FistsofNeil25

      It’s not like Tim Murray is trying to steal scouts away against their will. If there are rumors about some of our hockey ops team going to Buffalo, it’s because they would rather work for the Sabres than for the Sens. That’s the real issue Sandy. It’s definitely troubling.

  • Deadly

    Looks like Puemple has been moved up to the first line for tonight’s game.

    • Jakester

      He got the green light, he was hurt last game( or was it game 1).

      • Deadly

        ‘Twas game 1

  • Mitchell

    If Michalek and Hemsky aren’t resigned and we add Richard and stone and Hoffman to the team or via one way contract who else would come out? We have a cheap owner I doubt his willing to carry anymore then 14 ? And who would Richards play with

    • Millennium

      If Spezza is traded and Hemsky and Michalek walk, your starting point is:

      MacA – Turris – Ryan
      Hoffman – Zibby – Stone
      ??? – ??? – Condra
      Greening – Smith – Neil

      If we land a Forward in the Spezza deal, Then you’re still looking for another roster spot filled internally (Lazar, SDC, Pageau, Prince. Take your pick).

      If you’re talking about keeping Spezza:

      MacA – Turris – Stone
      Hoffman – Spezza – Ryan
      ??? – Zibby – Condra
      Greening – Smith – Neil

      • FistsofNeil25

        Greening-Smith-Neil should never be seen again!

    • Sandy

      Richards without Carter is an unhappy player.. and visa versa..

  • sprucesens

    haha chirp, love the basketball trade target tweet. I think you should stop watching basketball, and focus on what’s important. Random, off topic comments on an internet blog, where you can argue with people you’ve never met, and likely never will. No offence to anyone though. lol

  • Zelle

    They need to sign him. If he’s already had calls about him from top teams then if Sens really don’t think he fits with their system (I think he does) then at the very least they can’t let him go on waivers.

  • luckan20

    Hoffman will get 2 year contracts. On Hemsky, if he was to be signed, Ottawa would have done it by now. Looks like Hemsky is testing free agency market. Michalek will walk too.

  • Sandy

    B-Sens tied with WBS mid-way through second period. 1-1.. Cowick with B-Sens goal.

    • peetypuck

      The Sens better cut down on their penalties in the 3rd.

      • Sandy

        2-1 for WBS at end of 2nd..

        • Jakester

          Cue the Pesky comeback! Stone and Pageau will score in the third!

  • Aaron 2.0

    What a great night for hockey ladies and germs. Three game 7′s! I’m still perfect in our playoff bracket, but with three coin toss games tonight, I fear that will end soon. And of course, we have the baby sens in action too (lets hope for a comeback)!

    Something just occurred to me, and actually made me quite angry. I don’t think it’s really been discussed here. So, it’s sort of common knowledge that Spezza asked to be quietly shopped. Everybody try to put all of their personal thoughts about the player aside for a minute (we all know he’s a lightning rod for us fans). Is anybody else angry, that he wanted the captaincy just one short year ago, he gets it, we have one not so great season, and he wants out! WTF Spezza? What happened here? I still think there are a lot of legitimate reasons for either keeping or trading Spezza. But, why does he all of a sudden want out? Did he not know this a year ago when he accepted the captaincy? What changed?

    • runningbear1974

      I think his relationship with Maclean changed… I think Maclean ‘demanded’ more of him…

      • Jakester

        Has to be coach-player related. Don’t think Spezza was Mac’s choice for Captain.

    • Zelle

      It could be player-coach related, as others posted, but it could also be that being captain wasn’t what he thought it would be. Perhaps he thought he would be able to carry this team to greatness, or at least to surpass last season’s events where he barely played at all. It’s not easy being the leader, as the buck stops with you and it can be a heavy burden. It’s not for everyone.

      Sometimes we really want things and when we get them, it’s just not as great as we thought it would be.

  • sprucesens

    2-2 in bsens game few minutes left

    • Aaron 2.0

      Nice! I’ve been updating the AHL web-site every now and then (it’s about as exciting as it sounds), but if you’re watching pass on goal details!

      • sprucesens

        very poor stream. its scoreboard feed

        • Aaron 2.0

          Lol. That’s dedication!

          • sprucesens

            yeah, its just about over. then i’ll watch colorado game

        • sprucesens

          no i don’t have a link, its a paid stream

    • sprucesens

      510 left

  • sprucesens

    haha, just laughed at the pens announcer. Listed the top 2 lines of the bsens, and how they are basically they are the only 2 richardson is playing now. I laugh, because its the exact opposite of what maclean did all year. Also, going to OT now

  • peetypuck

    I’d like to see Murray get the #5 pick from either Buffalo or the Islanders this summer. Nick Ritchie – Peterborough – LW – over 200 lbs is 6th on Bob Mackenzie’s top 10. Big, skilled goal scorer, hits hard and a fast skater.

    • sprucesens

      we don’t have anyone to give that is worth that… that won’t hurt us as much

      • Jakester

        Maybe Cowen.

        • sprucesens

          yeah, i suppose. But if we gave up cowen for just a pick that won’t be on the team soon, might not be a great idea, especially in-division

          • Jakester

            Not a necessary move IMO, but Sens have options on the Left side D.

        • peetypuck

          It wouldn’t surprise me if he goes higher than 6th. He could be the big power forward that every teams looks for.

          • Jakester

            You could be right, MR McKenzie!

          • peetypuck

            haha, does Mackenzie get all excited when he talks about Ritchie?

          • Jakester

            No clue….

  • Jakester

    OT again, wow! C’mon boys!

  • sprucesens

    what to do, bsens just starting OT, rangers have 2 mins left, and i want to watch colorado!!

  • Jakester

    Damn baby sens lost.

  • sprucesens

    sens lost

  • sprucesens

    cheering for colorado, but how is that goal not a goalie interference when some of the other stuff that’s been called back this year….

  • Sandy

    For the B-Sens on Friday it’s a must win or it’s the summer for them.. Puempel may be back.. for the next game.
    3 games.. all in OT…

    • peetypuck

      They could have used Hoffman and Puempel tonight.

  • Millennium

    Man, Raptors have blown a 25 point lead to led Brooklyn tie it up. Glad I’m not a basketball fan or I’d be losing my mind.

    • Deadly

      Just turned it on to watch the last 20 seconds.Should last 20 minutes at least.

      • Jakester

        Crazy how slow the last minutes take!

        • Deadly

          Really only need to watch the last 2 minutes.

          • Jakester

            Takes an hour tho! Lol

          • Millennium

            Took them about 15 mins to do the last 30 seconds

    • Sandy

      I hate basketball…

      • Jakester

        I can stomach college but Pro is boring, not intense enough.

  • Deadly

    I wonder how many Leaf fans have jumped on the Raptors bandwagon?

    • Millennium

      Most of them are probably already Raptors fans. I’m sure the casuals come out of the woodwork for the playoffs just like hockey fans in Ottawa.

      • Deadly

        Playoffs in Ottawa..the city is awesome when we make the playoffs.

        • Tooks

          Yes cuz alot come out of the woodwork, bandwagon fans and all.

    • sprucesens

      my best friend is a leafs fan, and for the last 2 years, he gradually started watching basketball and baseball, cheering for both toronto teams, and we live in edmonton. Sometimes i have a hard time looking at him…lol

    • Michenator

      probably some jumpers but I don’t think you’re jumping a bandwagon when it’s a different sport. I am a massive Sens fan but I love the Jays and the Raps.

  • Deadly

    About 723,000 to qualify Hoffman on his contract.

  • Deadly

    Heatley ,the hound.

    • Tooks

      Doing great in games he’s played in the playoffs!

      • Deadly

        Referring to his personal pleasures. Hookers and hockey players playing Silvertip a gap few years ago.

  • bluebuyyoo

    I really don’t care who wins between the Kings/Sharks, I just want to watch a good game. However, the reffing is absolutely brutal. Sharks score first and the refs gift the Kings with 2 simply terrible calls. Kings tie it up thanks to the incompetent referees. Meanwhile, Richards gets hauled down in the slot just before the puck arrives and there is no call.

    No wonder the players have no idea how to approach a game when the refs decide which rules will be called as they go along.

    The only consistent thing about NHL refereeing is the fucking inconsistency!

    • sprucesens

      yeah, brutal reffing in Colorado game too. Colorado was on the PP and it was terribly clear that mackinnon was tripped with no call. The ref’s don’t want to be a factor, and want to keep the game’s even to give each team a chance. What a farce

      • s3nsfan

        And by them attempting to be a non factor that makes them an even bigger factor. Call the game according to the rules and stop putting the whistles away. You only make it worse when you do that

  • sprucesens

    devils resign jagr, and torts fired

    • Deadly

      Good move as they can move him at the deadline.

  • Millennium

    Torts fired in Van city. Man, what a circus out there. They need to get rid of Gillis.

    • runningbear1974

      hey, maybe Vancouver wants Spezza and Phillips…

    • s3nsfan

      They already fired Gillis. When they brought in Linden.

      • Millennium

        Oh yeah, totally forgot! Good, finally they can start fixing the mess he left behind.

    • FistsofNeil25

      I think it’s going to be a long time before Torts finds himself another head coaching job in the NHL. His act has worn thin around the league. You never know though… there are going to be a number of vacant head coaching positions. Florida, Nashville, Vancouver, most likely Toronto and San Jose.Maybe St Louis but I doubt it. Am I forgetting any?

      • whammer44

        Caps. Possibly Pens if the Rangers eliminate them. Canes are also possible with new GM. Wouldn’t be surprised to see Dineen end up there.

        • FistsofNeil25

          Ohh ya I forgot about Washington. Can you imagine Torts coaching Ovie? Now that would be entertaining.

          Is there some kind of connection between Dineen and Francis in Carolina? Whalers I’m guessing?

          • whammer44

            I would love to see Ovie and Torts…unfortunately never going to happen.

            Yep…Whalers. They may let Muller stay on, but he’d be on a short leash. With all the openings I think Francis will make the move soon so he makes sure he gets Dineen.

  • sprucesens

    f’n avs. now i just don’t care about the playoffs at all…

    • runningbear1974

      hey, maybe Colorado wants Spezza and Phillips…

      • sprucesens

        there was something brewing with them as well… not sure what we could get out of there. I imagine duchene, mackinnon, landeskog, are untouchable and would take turris and ryan to get. Not sure what else they have in their system, besides guys like oreilly, stastny, parenteau. I still can’t see those guys going anywhere. They have tons of cap room, so no reason not to sign them if they want to stay…

        • Dirk-Diggler

          The prize is Barrie… He’s what the Sens need on D to play on the 2nd pairing and be a beast behind Karlsson

          • FistsofNeil25

            I would imagine Barrie and Johnson are also untouchable there. For a team that lacks good defenseman, those are there best two.

          • Zelle

            Barrie will probably have a nagging knee injury for the rest of his career.

      • FistsofNeil25

        We’re stuck with Phillips.

  • sprucesens

    well, only a few short weeks until chicago and boston play again. with an off chance of LA boston. Brutal collapse by SJ. Bye bye maclellan. probably some players too. If i were them i’d start the rebuild. Well, sell the vets, but keep the young up and coming talent, because the others just can’t get it done in the playoffs.

  • Sens613

    With the sharks and Avs out of the playoffs how long do you think BM waits to start calling them about trade options; or them calling us?

    Is a straight up spezza for Thorton a possibility? Or would you get add other pieces to the puzzle?

    • Dirk-Diggler

      They just resigned Thorton and Marleau. I also beleieve that they were both given NMC so I don’t think they are going anywhere.. But, I doubt they resign Boyle so many we can get him. I’d like to see him on a 3 year deal at $5M per

      • Sens613

        Would Boyle be a ufa after the season or would he have term leftover? Would like to Boyle as a sens.

        • Dirk-Diggler

          he’s a UFA as of July 1st 2014

          • Sens613

            I guess no need for a trade here but I would make a push for him if the budget allows it.

          • Doc

            Budget won’t allow it and he’s too old to fit with the direction of the team.

      • whammer44

        better to direct that money to someone like Niskanen…it will take longer term though

    • runningbear1974

      No Thank You for Thorton… Same problems as Spezza… Doesn’t like skating… Doesn’t like shooting… Doesn’t like the center of the ice… He likes to skate to the boards and then pass to someone else… That’s why he’s ineffective in these important games…

      • Sens613

        Your right about both players having their own issues on the ice but that is why it might be difficult to trade both players. Was thinking, sometimes a change if scenery can light a fire under a player(a la turris).

        • Dirk-Diggler

          I’d rather Marleau than Thorton

          • Sens613

            Marleau would be the better option but I would assume the price tag is a little higher.

          • Tooks

            You wont get any of em. NMC…

          • Sens613

            Spezza has one to right?

          • Doc

            No, it’s a limited NTC.

          • FistsofNeil25

            We don’t want them. Too old. Spezza better return good young pieces, not a bunch of old bastards.

        • Jakester

          Well Thank God, We only have one of the two to trade.

    • WolfInSheepsClothes

      I was thinking the same thing…. Could you imagine Thornton reading Ryan…?

      • Tooks

        Thornton and Marleau just re-upped and have NMC’s. Atleast start off right. They wouldnt accept a trade to Ottawa!

        Avs dont need to do anything, they are the youngest team in the NHL, all they need is experience, maybe a vet D. Certainly not Spezza, haha.

        • WolfInSheepsClothes

          You never know, he could want a change of scenery. Some players, especially Canadian players, do value playing in a Canadian market. Anything is possible.

      • Sens613

        Thorton isn’t as offensively gifted as spezza but he’s way more of a two-way player who can play on both sides of the puck.

        From the words of…both Ryan and Thorton together would make us more truckulous.

        • Jakester

          What are you talking about – Thornton is pretty gifted – he’s racked up some pretty big point totals.

          • s3nsfan75

            and yet any team he goes to just doesn’t win, hmmm interesting.

      • boom

        How’d that work out for Heatley? I know ragging Spezza is trendy these days, but Heatley had his best years – by far, playing with Spezza.

    • bluebuyyoo

      Why Thornton? Because of all of the success he has had with Boston & SJ? He would be shit on and run out of town.

      • Sens613

        Just to make up for picking daigle I guess.

    • Jakester

      Lets trade one loser for another loser, lovely!

      • Sens613

        Loser for loser = fresh start

    • Doc

      Good god…really?

      • Sens613

        An option that if was made I wouldn’t be upset over.

    • FistsofNeil25

      Why the hell would we want Thornton? He’s turning 35 this summer. That would be such a short sighted move. We may as well just keep Spezza.

      I don’t see a fit with San Jose. They have so many players with similar skill-sets to Spezza. Don’t get me wrong, I would love Couture,Vlasic, Pavelski, Nieto or Hertl but Spezza doesn’t fit there.

      • Doc

        Probably trolling.

        • Sens613

          More like inquiring

    • whammer44

      The Avs are possible if they feel they need a veteran presence and they aren’t going to resign Stastny.

      I don’t think Sharks need a Spezza and they just committed to Thornton long term. I would rather the Sens went younger and faster

    • sprucesens

      No to anyone on the sharks unless its the younger untouchables. So its not happened

  • FistsofNeil25

    Stupid Sharks – my bracket is officially busted. I picked San Jose to win the cup over the Rangers.

    • peetypuck

      After blowing that 3-0 lead in games you gotta think there could be big changes in SJ from GM to players. Nobody is safe.

      • FistsofNeil25

        You’d have to think there would be changes for sure, but who goes? They have a really really good team there and they just choked. They just re-committed to Marleau and Thornton. Vlasic, Couture, Hertl should be untouchable.

        They’ll probably fire McLellan, let Boyle go to free-agency, buy out Havlat.

        Where can you find a better top six than Thornton, Marleau, Pavelski, Burns, Couture and Hertl?

        Tough decisions ahead for them.

        • Millennium

          Some guys just aren’t meant to win the cup I guess. Marleau and Thornton seem like those guys. Sharks are a brilliant team, but can’t win when it matters. Hard to fix a problem like that.

          For those who value stats, their weakness is possession. At least that’s something tangible to try and fix.

          • runningbear1974

            Possession… Does that mean when they lose possession they have a hard time getting it back?

          • Millennium

            Possession is just an absolute value. They don’t have the puck as much as their opponent does. And since you can’t score if you don’t have the puck, that’s a pretty serious problem. There is a statistically significant correlation between possession and winning in all major sports.There are relative possession stats out there as well, but I couldn’t tell you how the Sharks stack up on those counts.
            It’s not a magical solution, but for a team that seems so strong across the board, its a great jumping off point when looking for a solution to their perennial choking problem.

          • runningbear1974

            Yeah i think possession is very important… How easily you give up the puck under pressure/ how easily you make bad decisions (lose possession)… And, then how hard you fight for the puck after you’ve lost possession…

        • peetypuck

          The sharks are annual chokers. This happens to them every year. They have to make changes if they ever want to get to the finals.

        • MethotToMyMadness

          Thornton and Marleau are great regular season players, perfect example of late round steals in a hockey pool that can help you win 1st place. But they just can’t get it done in the playoffs.

          People who don’t watch hockey as often laugh when you say it’s a different game in the playoffs. But it’s true, there is a whole new dimension of requirements to your game and those guys just don’t have it.

        • Tooks

          Yeah no kidding, not much of the core forwards will move, only small pieces here and there and the Coach…

      • Sittin’ In the Bleachers

        Jumbo Joe is NOT a winner
        There’s a reason that Boston got rid of him

    • whammer44

      ditto on the Sharks. The series all turned on the play of Quick. When that guy is on he’s the best in the game…and everytime I watch Doughty play, hes usually the best player on the ice. I seriously think if I had to pick one dman right now, he would be it

      • FistsofNeil25

        Yeah Quick and Doughty are truly amazing.

        Quick was dominant in the final 5 games of that series. It’s not like San Jose didn’t get good scoring chances. Quick just stood on his head and made it look easy.

        I agree on Doughty. I don’t know if there’s a better all-round defenseman in the game. Maybe Keith.

        • Doc

          I’d definitely take Keith over Doughty.

          • whammer44

            Would be a nice problem to have.

        • runningbear1974

          I’d vote for Doughty…

        • Zelle

          I’d prefer Doughty as well.

      • Aaron 2.0

        I don’t know if anybody would have called sharks losing that series after going ahead 3 games (I picked the kings but figured I was screwed at that point). I remember watching highlights, I think it was after the blow-out in game # 2. After getting totally shelled, Quick didn’t run off the ice like we typically see (and totally expect and understand). Instead he stood by the gate leading off the ice and embraced all of his team-mates after the blow-out. I remember thinking, these guys are going to fight every shift for Quick after that display.

        I don’t know if I’d call it a complete collapse by SJ. The kings are good! But, they might have been guilty of taking the situation too lightly at first once they went up 3 games. Crazy stuff!

        • Deadly

          Looking for a mulligan.

    • esk

      haha had L.A in 7

    • Pasky

      That’s OK… I picked Colorado over Detroit

    • Zelle

      I picked the Blues over Boston. Rough when the team you pick to go all the way wipes out in the first round. :(

      • The Apostle

        Could be worse, most Leaf fans picked the Leafs over sensibility.

        • Tooks

          I got Ducks and Pens.

  • whammer44

    I don’t typically watch the cbc feed…Is there anyone who actually finds that Glen Healy knows what he is talking about? His hockey IQ is zero. I don’t get how this guy has an analyst job

    • Hax

      Learn Punjabi – it’s totally worth it so you don’t have to listen to Cole or Healey.

      • bluebuyyoo

        LOL!

      • whammer44

        You know I can put up with Cole because he has the voice…as long as he’s not commentating on a Leaf game. The cbc won’t let him go…he’s kind of like a their version of Chris Phillips.

        • Hax

          His voice is iconic but I wasn’t that heavily into hockey in Cole’s prime so I’m not as attached to it. He’s just brutal. “The goalie” when he can’t remember the name, long pauses while he finds the puck, summarizing plays after they happen instead of calling them as they happen.

          Guy needs to retire IMO. All due respect.

  • things that make me go hmmmmmm

    Jim O’Brien scored for Binghamton last night

    Cue the ROCKY theme song

  • Zelle

    Assuming Spezza is gone, Milo isn’t to be resigned, Hemsky decides to go elsewhere, and the M-T-R line stays together. Disregarding players in Bingo who haven’t had a call up tryout yet.

    LW options: Greening, Smith, Hoffman, Grant
    C options: Zbad, Pageau, Smith, DaCosta, Grant
    RW options: Zbad, Condra, Pageau, Neil, Stone

    If they don’t resign Hoffman then the team basically has a natural center in Smith, Greening, and a still unproven player in Grant to fill the left wing. Then they would be basically forced to put ZBad, Pageau, DaCosta down the middle and Condra, Neil, Stone at the right.

    This of course is if the return for Spezza is picks/prospect with an NHL quality defenseman.

    Hoffman has been good enough to deserve a full season ahead of other prospects down in Bingo, IMO. Of course if they package him with Spezza or something for a better return then that’s something else entirely. Honestly I’d prefer they package up Prince over Hoffman.

    • The Apostle

      In addition the UFA market for centres who could do a good job on the top 2 lines is very slim after Stastny. Unless a centre comes back in any trade that may or may not happen you have to think the fight is going to be between Zbad, Da Costa and Lazar for 2C duties.

      The market for a 3rd or 4th line centre isn’t great either and I don’t think we need one anyway. best of the bunch is possibly Brian Boyle and he hasn’t put up encouraging numbers the last couple of years.

      I could see Ottawa going for Derek Roy as a 2nd/3rd line tweener though. Would rather stay in house though than commit to Roy for 2 or 3 years which is what he is likely to want.

      • Zelle

        Yes this is what I am thinking. Also I know there is a lot of speculation saying Lazar is NHL ready and will join the big club next season, we haven’t heard anything from the team so I disregarded him when considering our possibilities. I just don’t see Spezza bringing back a center. If he does I hope it is a 3rd shutdown guy like Fist-of-neil has been talking about. Turris, Smith and DaCosta already have great faceoff stats and two way game. Pageau needs improvement on the faceoff circle but his hockey sense is unmatched on the team (imo). Smith is kind of a tough guy but not exactly what I imagine as a shutdown player, I’m thinking more Dubinksy-esque.

        For centers I hope they stay in house and I hope they get a solid scoring winger. Mac, Stone, Ryan are all good, but that’s about all we have without Hemsky and a Michalek (on a good season). Condra could be added to this list if his shooting percentage would increase above 10%. ( He was a 7.1 this year and 5.1 the last two, and sadly I don’t think this stat includes shots that go wide… )

        • Jakester

          Murray mentioned Lazar the other day saying that he really looks NHL ready, it got back to Lazar, and Lazar said he will use it as motivation during the WHL Final to prove MR Murray right. I’ll try to find the interview!

          • Zelle

            That would be great I’d love to hear it, thanks!

      • Jakester

        Roy is finished!

    • FistsofNeil25

      Yeah if Milo, Hemsky and Spezza are all gone I really believe we need to add a top six forward, a top nine forward, and a top four defenseman through trades and free agency if we’re going to get ourselves back into the playoff picture.

      If we just fill in the vacant roster spots by promoting from within then we can pretty much just write-off next season and hope that we get a great draft pick.

      Murray really needs to make moves and bring in more size and scoring to the forward group, and more mobility to the defense. I will be extremely disappointed if the only changes we make are dealing Spezza and allowing the unrestricted free agents to walk away. More change needs to happen other than removing the captain and his wingers.

      • Zelle

        Yes if they are not bringing proven forwards in trades or acquisitions I expect this team may miss the playoffs again next season. I wouldn’t be upset though, as watching the kids play would no doubt be entertaining at the very least. The thing that made me upset this season is the lack of effort from many of the players and the complete implosion when playing with a lead. I think I would like something along these lines:

        ? – Zbad – Stone
        Hoffman – Smith – Condra
        Greening – Pageau – ?
        Neil

        I’ll be honest and say one of Condra / Greening should not return unless they make major improvements on their weaknesses. Greening in his own zone play, and Condra with his shot. Overall I like Condra’s game, problem is he doesn’t contribute much on the scoreboard because his shot sucks, and he’s not a grit or tough guy. Greening could use his size to be more effective, but it’s mostly his defensive zone coverage makes me cringe. I love Neil but he just takes too long to get going nowadays and too many ill timed / useless penalties. Still want him on the team though.

        If Condra is packaged and moved (not that he’ll bring much but…) and DaCosta also moves, then I think this could be interesting:

        Hoffman – Smith – Pageau
        Greening – Grant – Neil

        • FistsofNeil25

          I would take Condra on my team any day over Greening.

          Condra isn’t a liability to the team in any way and he can actually kill penalties. He’s a smart player and although he doesn’t have a shot he is still a good possession player and has decent play making abilities. He brings everything you want in a fourth at less than half the salary of Greening.

          Greening on the other hand, I have nothing good to say about. He’s just a useless player in every zone of the ice and like you said, he has no idea what he’s doing in the defensive zone.

          I personally would love to see Smith moved over to the wing on the third line where he can score a few goals and play the physical brand of hockey that he was born to play. Find a legitimate shut-down third line center.

          Smith-XXXXX-Lazar
          Hoffman-Pageau-Condra
          Neil

          I know people don’t want Lazar rushed into the league but Murray is higher on this guy than any Sens prospect in recent memory. Murray thought he may have been NHL ready last summer so he will at least get a try out to start the season next year.

          The fourth line of Hoffman-Pageau-Condra may be small but they’re speeding, defensively sound, and have enough talent that they should eat up the competition.

          I also still love Neil, but he’s just not as effective as he used to be and in a perfect world, would be used as the extra forward on the team.

          • Zelle

            I too would take Condra over Greening. Two reasons mostly:
            - Like you mentioned, smart player with great possession.
            - It’s easier to learn to aim than to learn to play in the defensive zone, from what I’ve seen.

            I could also add that I have seen more standout games for Condra than I have for Greening, although he does seem to step it up a notch in the playoffs which is nice. I mentioned the trading of Condra because it would be easier than to move Greening at the moment, salary and value wise.

            No issues with me about having Smith on the wing except that it does take away a solid faceoff guy. There’s a reason why he goes out to play in the last minutes at the faceoff circle. He’s also good at setting up scoring chances that Neil and Greening all too often fumble.

            Wonder if they have the options to get both a third line shut down guy and a legit 2nd line winger for Zbad though. I’m getting the feeling that it will be one or the other.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Just because Smith would play the wing doesn’t mean he can’t take faceoffs when necessary. The few games we saw Smith and Zibanejad play together late this season, Zibanejad played the role of center, but depending on face-off matchups or game situations, Smith would sometimes move in and take the draws instead of Zibanejad.

            I think it’s a great asset to have versatile players that can play both center and wing. That’s why I don’t understand why people say we don’t need another center. The best teams in the league have a ton of depth at center, but some of them play the wing.

            I don’t think it’s an option to acquire both a top six winger and a 3rd line center for Spezza, but that doesn’t mean other deals can’t or won’t be made. I think Murray is still looking for another quantity for quality trade.

          • Zelle

            True I do like the idea of having two guys on a line capable of playing center and taking faceoffs. Technically the team has quite a bit of C depth, the problem is that a lot of it is unproven.

        • peetypuck

          I don’t think Murray is going to bring in more than one or two proven players from the Spezza trade. If we want a 2nd line LW, RW, 3rd line C and a defenceman he will have to trade more of our top prospects. Doing that kind of makes the rebuild redundant and a waste of time in developing our kids for the last three years since we will have to trade them for those proven players. I think we will have a very young team this coming season.

          • Zelle

            Yes this is kind of what I am getting at and my whole reasoning for not trading Hoffman. He’s played well enough to stay an NHLer for at least another season, and if they trade him then we have to go to Bingo or trade Bingo guys for some pieces. Keep him and the team seems good on the LW or C. RW is already crowded. Then all they need back from Spezza is a legit winger, C or D (one of).

            Milo/Hemsky gone for nothing.

            Spezza, Greening/Condra, Prince, Wiericioch/Cowen, Pageau/DaCosta traded for something.

            Potential callups from Bingo: Grant, Schneider, Puemple ?

            Lazar still a big question mark for me.

          • peetypuck

            I can agree that your list of “tradeables” looks about right. I don’t think that Murray wants to trade Zibanejad, Stone, Puempel and Lazar. They have too much upside and need time to prove themselves in the NHL first.
            I also think that Turris and Zibby can handle the #1-2 centreman jobs. If Zibby develops more next year he should get 20 goals or better. Turris could be an 80 point guy in the future. He’s got more to show us yet.

          • Zelle

            Completely agree on Turris – Zbad being a good 1/2 punch down the middle. I’ve read over and over how Turris struggled as 1C when Spezza was hurt but that was two seasons ago and he has grown an incredible amount since. Back then he was getting the chances but continuously shooting wide, rarely hitting the net. That’s become MUCH less of an issue, and I believe that is why he’s improved in goals so much. Add to that two wingers that play the game the same as he does and you have a great 1st line.

      • whammer44

        You’ve nailed it with the 3 needs.
        I’m repeating myself but I would go hard after Niskanen.
        Make that trade for Stewart and in my dream a trade to the Avs where O’Rielly comes back for Spezza.

        Turris-Mac-Ryan
        O’Rielly-Stewart-Stone
        Zbad-Hoffman-Smith
        Pageau-Condra-Neil

        EK-Methot
        Niskanen-Wiercioch
        Ceci-Gryba (Boro)

        I’d have Conference Final dreams with this based on the current state of the East.

        • Zelle

          Pretty good looking lineup but Smith shoots left so it would have to be Hoffman or Smith on the left. Condra and Neil are righties, so bump Condra up one line and either Hoffman or Smith down one?

          • whammer44

            best players play…

        • Hax

          Fixed:

          Mac-Turris-Ryan
          Stewart-ROR-Stone
          Smith-ZBad-Hoffman
          Condra-Pageau-Neil

          Methot-EK
          Wiercioch-Niskanen
          Boro-Ceci
          Gryba

          (in terms of the positions guys actually sort of play – not agreeing with the specific players or lines they’re on really)

          • whammer44

            This kind of feels like my english teacher Ms. Stewart putting commas and shit in my papers that I handed in.

          • Hax

            Very sketchy work Mr Whammer. Very sketchy. Mrs Stottard was the one for me in HS.

            Sorry – partly my OCD and partly noticing some folks freaking out over what they assumed were position changes. Not actually trying to nit pick.

          • whammer44

            haha no worries. For the sake of everyone I will be more thorough in my work next time!

      • Tooks

        Yep IF we lose all 3 we are in for a tough about 3 more years. Thats a whole line and alot of points. Best thing for Ottawa to do for next season and stay competitive is keep Spezza, sign Hemsky and replace Michalek.

        Hoffman Spezza Hemsky
        MacArthur Turris Ryan
        XXX Zibanejad Stone
        XXX Smith Neil

        • Jakester

          Go back to Africa!

    • peetypuck

      Two years ago I thought that Turris, Zibby and Smitty held their own when Spezza was out for the season. I think they matured more this season. We could use a 2nd line veteran left winger though to play with Zibby and Stone. It all depends on the return we get for Spezza, players or prospects/draft picks.

    • Jakester

      People forget Hoffman in Junior was a center.

  • Brutus5247

    What’s happening with the left side D? There has to be movement. I know it is really impossible to tell for sure but how about some speculation. McLean doesn’t like off hand d playing the wrong side.

    Methot
    Phillips
    Cowen
    Wiercioch
    Philips
    Boro

    Karlsson
    Ceci
    Gryba

    If he brings in a LH dman he will have to move 3.

    • FistsofNeil25

      Re-signing Phillips really screwed things up.

      • Zelle

        Not if they deal Cowen..!

        Seriously though, I sincerely hope Cowen improves next season.

        Maybe what we were missing whole season long was a solid Phillips – Karlsson and Phillips – Wiercioch pairing.

        • sprucesens

          love the avatar pic! nice touch zelle!

          • Zelle

            haha thank you xD kind of a rush job, I was hoping to put a bit more detail in later on

    • peetypuck

      You put Phillips name down twice.

      • whammer44

        I did a double take thinking why does that look even worse than I thought

    • sprucesens

      yeah, lose 1 of the Phillips, and trade cowen spezza or wiercioch spezza for Josi and Forsberg! lol. I’m know I’m being annoying saying the same trade over and over again. Can you tell I want it to happen?? Will be first on my list whenever NHL 15 comes around, unless I like the move that murray does better, lol.

      • FistsofNeil25

        lol if only assembly an NHL roster was as easy in NHL 14. My roster looks like this:

        MacArthur-Turris-Ryan
        Landeskog-Zibanejad-Simmonds
        Abdelkader-Smith-Stone
        Hoffman-Pageau-Neil

        McDonagh-Karlsson
        Methot-Barrie
        Phillips-Ceci

        Lehner
        Elliot

        • sprucesens

          I never bought. my 13 lines were something like
          turris-zib-lazar
          prince-Duchene-Erne
          Puempel-Forsberg-Drouin
          Mackinnon-Toews-Hoffman
          Something crazy like that. And yes, toews was 4th line, as I like playing with the young guys, but needed top dollars to make the floor, and he was good at faceoffs to use on PK. lol
          Goalies were top notch youth. I had
          lehner, Gibson, Campbell, and a couple other top goalie prospects.
          D was karl, ceci, josi, ekblad, boychuk, clendening I think

      • peetypuck

        Never underestimate Bryan Murray. They don’t call him the Silver Fox for nothing.

        • not YOUR wingman

          nobody calls him that

          • whammer44

            peetypuck calls him that. true.

      • Jakester

        I like that trade, have them add a pick for laughs and giggles.

    • Jakester

      Really have a feeling Cowen will be moved like. Spezza!

  • Tooks

    I like how Friedman now changed his tune by “IF they move him” rather than “when they move him”. Blues interested but doubt they give up anything specatcular for Spezza.

    • peetypuck

      I’m more surprised that the CBC-ers have any time to talk about Sens players. Friedge must turning into an anarchist.

      • Jakester

        Friedman a few weeks ago told the idiots on the TEAM 690 (Mtl)that he would pick Karlsson over P.K. You should’ve heard the whining! So I respect Friedman cuz he doesn’t play to the audience.

    • Sandy

      It the return for Spezza is offered as 3rd liners and prospects… screw that…

    • Millennium

      If anything, I’d say the way the 1st round played out actually increased the market for Spezza. St Louis and San Jose are both now being pressured to find a fix, which might effect the value of a guy like Spezza.

  • sprucesens

    hmm, I guess trades can happen now. isles just acquired the rights to halak for a 4th round pick

    • sprucesens

      also a note on hockeybuzz saying murray still considering shopping erhoff this summer. Doesn’t note the sens as a potential landing spot though. (not from eklund)

      • peetypuck

        “Still considering”. That means he might or might not. In other words he said nothing. That’s eklund.

      • sben

        when eklund says something it just makes me certain that that thing will not happen. Its a shame because I would have liked ehrhoff. (he is playing the guessing game and he is just another one of those idiots who likes attention.

        • sprucesens

          sorry, I meant neither thing was reported by eklund, it was from the buffalo blogger on eklund’s site. which could be just as much BS.

    • Conor_smythe

      The National Hockey League (NHL) trade deadline is a date and time set by the NHL league office after which any player acquired by a team is ineligible to participate in the Stanley cup playoffs

      - wiki

      you can trade players 3 seconds after the deadline. but those players cant play in the playoffs.. you can trade players while playoffs are happening, but those players cant play in playoffs. Boston could make a trade with LA right now, but none of the players involved can play in the playoffs..

      • sprucesens

        hmmm, thanks for finding that, but I’m a little skeptical of Wikipedia. Seems strange that there isn’t more trades going on now then. Lots of teams you think would be trying to aquire rights all the time for low round picks, while the top teams are in the playoffs still, with other things to worry about. I’ve never heard of a trade for a player after the deadline, ever, until the teams are no longer in the playoffs. And I thought previously, it was no trades at all, until the morning after the cup is won. But I could be wrong.

        • Conor_smythe

          Roman cechmanek comes to mind… other than that ive got nothing. Its not new, the way its always been. I feel like its more of an unwritten rule amongst gms not to make trades until after the cup final

  • Sandy

    Really felt bad for the Avs.. I wanted them to win.. They have nothing to be ashamed of… and those young players have learned a lot. The loss of Tyson Barrie hurt them big time..
    I don’t see too many changes in Colorado.. they are young with good skilled players who will be good for a long time.
    Was hoping for a Philly/Pitts series.. but whatever. No idea who takes Rangers/Pitts series.. unless you give the edge to the goaltending.. which we know is the Rangers.
    SJ seems to be the team that has a very good regular season.. but doesn’t have enough of the players needed to get them through a tough playoff round. Kinda reminds me of the Sens in the past. Hurts me to say that.. but all those losses to the Leafs come to mind.
    I think LA-Anaheim is going to be a wicked series… very physical. Who survives… wins
    Minny & Chicago.. I believe Cooke returns in this series.. who does he take out next time. I hope Chicago takes it too them.. big time.
    As for teams looking to Spezza… probably St Louis & Anaheim… Anaheim will need to replace Selanne and maybe Koivu… so he could fit there. St Louis… only because of the rumours…
    Go Bruins…

  • NickofTime

    Hoffman was a top 9 forward not a top 6 forward, both MacArthur & Michalek were ahead of him on the left side. I think they re-sign Hoffman because Michalek may not be re-signed unfortunately but make no mistake Michalek is the better player. I could also see packaging Hoffman in a deal for Chris Stewart who Bm should go after this summer.

    The B-Sens weren’t looking to good yesterday, Wilkes- Barr looked like the bigger, tougher & faster team. The B-Sens remind me of the O-Sens in that they don`t seem to have enough good young fast tough players, too many marshmellows on the team.. Both teams have too many soft players & Bingo has too many small players, they just aren`t tough enough when playoffs roll around.

    • Sandy

      I hope they don’t trade Hoffman.. Give him 1 full year to see what he can truly bring to the team.. the same with Stone.
      I don’t want the Sens to overpay for Chris Stewart by giving Buffalo too many good young prospects that are NHL ready…

      • runningbear1974

        2nd line of Ladd/Dubinsky Smith Stone
        3rd line of Hoffman Zibanejad Lazar

        • Zelle

          Don’t tease me about having Dubinsky on this team! Jackets would be fools to let him go.

      • NickofTime

        Too many small soft players in this organization who can’t handle tough playoff hockey. Stone is a good big player & they should keep him but Hoffman is looking more & more like Conacher, a small player who can’t make the transition to the NHL.

        If Spezza is traded than I hope it is with St Louis & Berglund is part of the return. BM should also re-sign Michalek & put him on a line with Berglund & Stone to create a big 2nd line. Ottawa needs to get bigger, tougher & faster not smaller & softer.

  • Jakester

    I always read comments about what type of player Lazar is and I always go back to this interview from Bob Stauffer(he’s the voice of the Edmonton Oilers). He was upset that Edmonton didn’t pick him at the draft. Have a listen. What’s impressive is this is Lazar’s 3rd year in a row in the WHL Final, he’s a winner.

    http://proxy.autopod.ca/podcasts/chum/192/14488/13.06.30%20bob%20stauffer.mp3

  • Zelle

    Really enjoyed the Kyle Turris interview posted on the Sens website. Loved the way he talked about MacArture and Ryan. Hopefully they feel the same about all playing together and that will make them want to stay with the Senators.

  • Deadly

    Actually feeling nervous hoping against a teamas appossed to for a team.

  • Zelle

    Just incredible how fast the Bruins get out of their own zone. Smart passes, great breakout. I love the Sens’ breakout but it can take forever before it happens.

  • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

    http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=450963

    So I guess there is no trading freeze during playoffs?!

  • Deadly

    To use a boxing term, Montreal are like a ” counter puncher” in boxing. If Boston are not more aggressive in shooting on Price he will get in their heads. They are already trying to manouver into better shooting positions instead of just putting the puck on net with traffic.

    • Zelle

      They are also getting away from their game and making a LOT more mistakes in their own zone.

    • Sandy

      Price appears to be better than his .904 save percentage he had against Tampa..

  • Jakester

    Speaking of boxing DEADLY, you gotta love a guy who throws from the left!

    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9IghnMsrOHE&list=PLkzEvad0iZ2SWy8DkllI2bAk_2-rakj76

    • Deadly

      Listening to Dean Brown today talking about the Sharks.He thinks it’s time to turn the team over to the young guys. I think we should also and our Lefty is going to be the face of our team within a few years.

      • Jakester

        I love watching highlights of this kid, he’s all business plus the smile all the time!

      • Jakester

        I’ve always loved Neil but I think he has to go! How bout you!

        • Zelle

          He has definitely slowed down a lot. Playing the way he has through his whole career you have to think it’s weighing down on him now. I’d still like to keep him as a Senator though. Just like Phillips, reduced role on the ice.

        • Deadly

          Agree but almost impossible to move. It is really becoming a young mans league and this type of player needs foot speed.

          • Jakester

            I would think, teams would be interested.

          • Deadly

            Don’t agree. Dinosaur .

        • peetypuck

          We’ll have no talk about trading Chris Neil here. That’s blasphemy!!!

          • Jakester

            Love the guy but we could cut at least 20 goals against by not having those brain fart stupid penalties. Refs have something against the Sens and Neil is one of the reasons.

          • peetypuck

            It’s going to be a sad, sad day for me when Neiler retires from the Sens. Nobody has been more loyal to the team and his team mates than him. I hope they hang his jersey from the rafters.

  • Deadly

    Watching a bit of the Guelph game. Harpur is a big guy and seems like a decent skater.

    • Jakester

      He’s an ex forward who converted to D in midget hockey I think. When he fills in he could be something. They say he’s an excellent stay at home D-man.

      • Zelle

        Potential Karlsson D partner? Or too young?

        • Jakester

          A bit young. I think Claessen is the guy to watch.

          • Zelle

            OK cool thanks. I like watching the youtube videos but gah the feed quality is so bad it hurts.

          • Jakester

            At the world juniors with Zibby, Claessen was solid.

          • Zelle

            Nice lol
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRBCMGkTXyo

            Even the BSens enjoy line brawls.

          • Deadly

            It hurts,but not as badly as his lefts.

        • Deadly

          I think he is at least 3-4 years away . He is killing penalties tonight .

          • Jakester

            Kid still has peach fuzz!

      • peetypuck

        Does he have a mean streak?

        • Jakester

          Read a good write up on him, he’s putting on some meat cuz he was a string bean. Don’t think he’s a killer just yet.

  • Zelle

    All this talk about BSens playoffs and watching the NHL playoffs… any more news on possible trip down?

    • Deadly

      Next round if they are still around.

      • Zelle

        Oh ok! Well I hope they are, would love to see a game.

  • Zelle

    Holy crap best goal of the game right there: from Lucic to Krug.

  • Deadly

    Guelph wins in OT. Oil King are underdogs in the west but would be great to see Lazar vs Harpur in the Memorial Cup.

    • Jakester

      Oil Kings and Portland played only once this year and Edmonton won 5-4. They have played in the last two WHL finals. So 3rd year in a row.

      • Deadly

        My suggestion is the results of a WHL site poll that had 60 percent of fans voting for Portland. Not to scientific but figure the western fans would know. I had to vote to see the results so Oil Kings got one vote that was Lazar-centric.

        • Jakester

          Haha

      • Sandy

        Maybe 3rd times a charm… as they saying goes..

        • Jakester

          It’s 1-1 in championships so far. Lazar went to the Mem Cup as a 16 year old.

  • Deadly

    Crap

  • Zelle

    Price was pushing Subban out of his way I think… sucks for Price, he’s been playing a great game.

  • xiorcal
    • Zelle

      lol! Amazing. I was wondering why no one had them as avatars. I am really tempted to make a GIF with SenatorMega blowing LeafMega into circles.

  • Deadly

    Priceless

    • Zelle

      Bruins should have won ten times over by now, so you just know Habs will win.

      • Tooks

        LOL funny to see everyone rage over Habs win, lol. Habs are good folks, face the facts, they can beat the Bruins.

        • Zelle

          Who is raging? No one said Habs couldn’t win. Are we not allowed to cheer for the Bruins? Good job at making something out of nothing though.

          • do due dew doodoo

            It’s what he does

          • Tooks

            Well, you for 1. Bruins should have won, this and that, raging about penalties then when we set you right, you say you didnt even see the penalty, lol…

          • Zelle

            You call what I said raging? You’re a bit sensitive then, if you think that was me raging. I saw the penalty on the replay and what I saw looked weak and just like a battle in front of the net. I’m not afraid to be wrong or corrected, unlike some people who always feel the need to be right.

            EDIT: Also I commented that way before the Habs won, and the Bruins “should” have won because they missed about 4 open nets by shooting wide. They had their chances and didn’t take advantage, usually when that happens the opposing team wins. I seriously think you’re imagining this out of proportion reaction from all of us when really we’re just disappointed the Bruins lost. I have no emotional involvement to the degree of “rage” if the Sens aren’t playing.

        • Aaron 2.0

          Habs have a good young team. I didn’t watch the game. I still find it hard to watch a game with the Sens out. Shots can be misleading, but, the boxscore says 51 – 33 advantage for the Bears. I’m not sure how good the Habs were tonight. But, I’m guessing Price was good. It’s been that way for them most of the season. He’s making an okay team look pretty good. Same thing happened in Ottawa last year.

          • Zelle

            Bruins controlled most of the game, but Habs made their time in the offensive zone count. Rask had an outstanding save or two, but Price was just phenomenal. I’ve always been a huge Price fan I’m glad he’s doing well in these playoffs.

          • Aaron 2.0

            I’m one of the few Sens fans that has some love for the Habs. My mom use to watch them play with her dad during the original 6 era, and then into expansion. So, I’ve always had a soft spot.

            Just watching an interview with Price is enough to hope they win. I always just assume that he’s on suicide watch, so anything positive has to be a good thing. The only person I’ve seen look more dejected or sad in an interview, even after winning, might be Andy Murray (if you watch any tennis).

          • Zelle

            I used to cheer for the Habs, before I got sick of their fans and Subban’s general attitude. He pisses me off as much as Marchand. Last time these two teams met I cheered for the Habs and Bruins won. This time I’m cheering for the Bruins so the Habs will probably win lol

            I’m from the East coast so I know a lot about having a family of Habs fans :) Just the Habs fans at work are so obnoxious I’ve grown a distaste for the team….

          • Aaron 2.0

            Same things happens with me all the time! I often want to cheer for them, but then have a hard time doing it because of their fans. I grew up in Northern Ontario. Big french population there. But, not the same obnoxious level of fandom as you see in MTL. That makes it a little more palatable for me, at least when I’m back up north. I’m guessing the fans probably aren’t as bad out east either!

          • Zelle

            Honestly I was fine with the Leafs and Habs until I moved to Ottawa xD I hated the Bruins and that was about it. I still find it difficult to cheer for the Bruins over the Habs but their game is just so good. Regardless of how I feel about Habs fans though I’d take Gallagher, Patches, or Price on the Sens any day.

  • sprucesens

    …subban, who didn’t see that coming

    • Tooks

      Great players make great plays.

  • Sandy

    So the Habs had 2 power plays through the OT.. but the Bruins got no power plays?
    Why am I not surprised with that.

    • Zelle

      In all fairness the first call in OT was legit. Knee on knee they are going to call those every time from now on because of the Cooke knee I think. Second was weak, but it is what it is. Boston had plenty of chances to bury this game but they missed about 4 open nets.

      • Millennium

        2nd one was pretty much a tackle on his knees in front of the net to save a goal. A good call. Could have called a couple things the other way, but those 2 incidents were far and away “worse” than the rest of the stuff they were letting go tonight.

        • Zelle

          Oh ok I thought they just kind of fell on top of each other. Rough penalty to take. I’ll be honest I was at the oven when the play went on and only caught one replay.

    • Tooks

      Yes and they were the right call. MTL did not committ a penalty.

    • Aaron 2.0

      I do think the league has a serious refereeing problem. I’m not convinced the problem is routed in team biases though. The refs have been horrid throughout the entire playoffs. I honestly think the game is just starting to outpace them.

      • Millennium

        If only they had 2 other guys already one the ice who they could let call penalties….

        • Aaron 2.0

          Lol. They got to do something for sure. My only concern with that is it already enrages me when the far ref makes a call because a play / event looks a certain way from their vantage point, when it isn’t in fact a penalty. I’m not sure how I feel about two more guys having that power while also being constrained to certain areas of the ice as linesmen. But, I’d be willing to basically explore anything at this point! Try it out! Or, minimally give them more powers to help make the right calls.

          • Zelle

            Worst is when the ref with the best view goes no call and the ref at the other side of the rink calls it a penalty.

          • Aaron 2.0

            It’s so easy to be fooled these days too, especially if you’re not in the right position. Every other player is embellishing for a call.

          • Millennium

            A lot of people think video review and coaches challenge are imminent on at least some calls.

          • Aaron 2.0

            I hope you’re right. It can’t get any worse, so I can’t imagine why the old boys club won’t agree to try this or anything else out.

  • Hax

    Was really hoping the Bruins would just roll over the Habs so I could vent some of my Sens frustration by watching another team suffer. Oh well – long series I guess. Habs are better than when we beat them for sure though I still think the Bruins can win pretty handily.

    And of course that cocky bastard has to get the winner. Sigh – there is no justice.

    • Doc

      They did. Price just played phenomenal.

    • Zelle

      Actually I think the big difference is that Sens get under their skin more than the Bruins now. The Habs have improved a bit but it’s their composure that was the big difference.

  • BeJamin

    As usual, Tooks stirring the pot. The Habs were dominated. So they won a game, big deal. Boston will win the series. They were the far superior team last night. Something like 75% of the possession. That makes you a winner 9/10 times. Only way Montreal wins the series is if Price steals it for them, in which case they will deserve to win, because your goaltender is part of the team. End of story.

    • Tooks

      No pot stirring here, its fact, MTL won the game.

      And yeah if your one of those guys that follows analytics and advance stats then sure, Bruins should win, they probably will but they lost game 1 and thats what counts. Actually Don did say that Habs better win this game cuz they aint winning the next one and thats probably right.

      The Habs actually can beat the Bruins, they’ve done it all year. Its gonna come down to who wants it the most and of course…Goaltending.

  • Andrews theory

    Spezza for first overall and maybe another peice? Hell ya, it’d make sense given it’s similar to the deal that brought him here. Can we catch lightning in a bottle twice involving the same player lol…

    That would equate to Yashin for Spezza, Chara and the first overall not bad at all!

    I’d move him to Florida if that’s part of the package without hesitating too long

    • Tooks

      IF Spezza ok’s this then ya, no brainer, sure we would have to face him a few times a year but its with FLA, not to worried there, if it was with BOS or TOR or MTL that would be another story.

  • Tooks

    Does anyone here actually think Spezza will allow a trade to Florida? Thats gotta be a team on his list of “no trade”

  • s3nsfan

    I apologize if this was mentioned somewhere, but why all the talk about Florida, is there comments made by someone or is this merely SC site speculation?

    • Tooks

      It was a tweet from Chirp:

      Florida is willing to move the 1st overall pick in this year’s draft. Part of a Spezza deal perhaps? Tough to move him in the division #Sens

      • s3nsfan

        Thanks, hadn’t seen that.