Gryba Signs, Murray Meets with Media in Philadelphia

SensChirp June 26, 2014 719
Gryba Signs, Murray Meets with Media in Philadelphia

(UPDATE 5:43 PM)- Couple others bits of news to pass along. The Senators have also signed RFA forward Cole Schneider. And in St. Louis, the Blues have signed forward Patrick Berglund to a 3 year contract worth $3,7 mil a season.  His name has come often in Jason Spezza rumours.

(UPDATE 4:14 PM)- Tis the season for RFA contracts.  The Senators have also come to terms with RFA defencemen Michael Sdao and Chris Wideman. Sdao got a two year deal while Wideman’s is for one.

(UPDATE 4:08 PM)- Start with a signing as according to Bob McKenzie, the Senators have agreed to a contract with defenceman Eric Gryba.  It is a two year deal that will see Gryba earn $1.2 mil in the first year and $1.3 mil in year two.

With the NHL Entry Draft now just a little over 24 hours away, trade talks are predictably starting to ramp up. And while we don’t yet have a winner in the Jason Spezza Sweepstakes, it’s clear things are getting closer to some sort of resolution.

Bryan Murray met with the media this afternoon and offered up a couple interesting bits of information that may provide some insight into what we can expect leading up to tomorrow’s Draft.   Murray mentioned that he is receiving more calls than usual and that there have been a few more teams calling than usual.  In a comment that will certainly have people guessing, he says that one name came up that has not been mentioned before.

As you would expect, Murray emphasized that there is no timeline to get a Spezza trade completed, saying that it could go all summer or even into next season.  That is the kind of thing Murray has to say at this point to ensure he is getting each team’s best offer.  We know Ottawa would like to have a pick in the first round tomorrow so their preference is certainly to get a deal done before tomorrow night.

The offers aren’t “good enough” right now but it doesn’t seem like teams have really put their best trade proposals on the table just yet.

-AJ Jakubec from the TSN1200 suggested that the Senators and Panthers could make good trade partners this weekend. The Panthers do have some interest in Spezza but the two teams have also talked about another deal that does not involve Spezza. The Sens have shown interest in Erik Gudbranson in the past but Florida was quite reluctant to move him.

-Bruce Garrioch also provided an update from Philadelphia this afternoon, suggesting that the Blues, Ducks and Hawks were the most interested teams when it came to Spezza. Garrioch also suggested that if the Senators don’t get what they are asking for, they are willing to let this drag on beyond this weekend. Based on everything I’ve heard about their desire to grab a first round pick, I really can’t see that happening.

-Darren Dreger confirmed that St. Louis remains interested. Patrick Berglund was the name he mentioned but from what I’ve been told, that just won’t get it done for Ottawa. The Senators really don’t seem interested in a deal centred around Berglund. The Blues are going to have to put their best foot forward soon here or risk losing Spezza to a conference rival.

  • MethotToMyMadness

    Great signing for Gryba and the Sens.

    In regards to Spezza, who is this mystery Eastern team? You almost have to think it’s Tampa, considering that media blurb where Murray mentioned talking to SY?

    • Pasky

      The Rangers was also mentioned, as they can use a replacement to Richards, and they’re never shy about making a huge deal whether it helps them or not.

      • Sandy

        They have key players to sign and won’t have the cap room for Spezza.

        • Pasky

          Yea but it’s the Rangers… They never have room and still make deals lol

          Brassard and Klein would be around 6-6.5M depending on what Brassard signs for. Not saying that’s the best deal available, but I wouldn’t say that the Rangers haven’t discussed the possibility at least.

          • Bright Hat

            Apparently it’s the Leafs as they want to get him and ship him out for other pieces, that’ll never happen though… Unless they offer Kessel type deals.

      • Jason P.

        Spezza for Krieder & Brassard.

    • Sensnation

      It sounds like Tampa or the not so mysterious Florida. I can’t imagine him in our division though, the deal would have to be unreal.

  • Rafi Bomb

    Ken Warren @Citizenkwarren · 39s
    Michael Sdao and Chris Wideman also signed

    • Rafi Bomb

      AJ Jakubec ‏@AJonSports 2m
      More
      Chris Wideman & Michael Sdao have both signed contracts. Wideman gets 1 year. Sdao 2 years. Both two-way deals. #Sens

  • Hax

    Stick to your guns Murray – don’t take anything less than a ransom!

    Oh and if you can flip a couple of our depth D as part of a package for Gudbranson that’s be just fine.

  • Rafi Bomb

    John Lu ‏@JohnLuTSNMtl 4m
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    #Sens Murray on Spezza offers: “I don’t have a deal that I like right now.” Murray says he has received a couple more enquiries today.

    • Brock

      Very confident Spezza gets traded tomorrow. I think Murray has some good deals on the table and is just dragging teams into a bidding war.

      • Sandy

        I don’t think it gets done tomorrow. It may wait until Kesler gone and Stastny signed somewhere – especially if those two go to divisional opponent of teams interested in Spezza.

        • Rafi Bomb

          Ken Warren @Citizenkwarren · 2m
          Murray says talk generally picks up on draft day, but if the offers don’t improve, he won’t trade Spezza

      • Rafi Bomb

        Murray has the flexibility to be patient and wait for a deal he likes. This could simply be posturing in an attempt to get better offers.

        • Hax

          100% posturing but I still think the best offer will come on July 1st.

  • Rafi Bomb

    AJ Jakubec @AJonSports · 11m

    BM says there is no timeline for Spezza deal. “It could go all summer. It could go into the year. He still has a year left on his contract”

    AJ Jakubec @AJonSports · 9m

    Murray says the offers have to improve on Spezza. Won’t give anyone permission to speak to him about an extension until a deal is done.

  • my2sens

    Whichever team we play the least over the next few years is the team where we should send Spezza…. I have a bad feeling he will become a dreaded Sens killer.

  • SensChirp

    To Summarize Bryan Murray’s media availability…

    “Not good enough, fellas.”

    • FistsofNeil25

      And if they aren’t good enough tomorrow then this thing could drag on for weeks.

      • Sandy

        I think the longer it goes the less the offers become. Because at some point, Ottawa has no choice but to trade him for what they can get.

        • bluebuyyoo

          I disagree.
          NHL GMs are a strange bunch. All it takes is for one of them to blink and Murray will get a deal he can live with. They will watch each other load up for the coming season and feel that they have to match to stay competitive.

        • Pasky

          Agree… look at Luongo. I think it’s some posturing to push people to better deals, but everyone knows that BM wants to trade him tomorrow so I imagine that’s when St-Louis improves from Berglund.

          Had St-Louis offered Schwartz last week then that would have given other teams a week to improve their deal, and if they would then St-Louis would have to maybe go up to Tarasenko. The deal will get done tomorrow, and I think that’s when St-Louis makes their big offer.

        • Hax

          If this were the 2015 trade deadline I’d agree with you. Except that the offers would get better closer to the deadline … so I guess I completely disagree.

          • jimmyjohnson

            Agreed

  • Sandy

    So the only contract left to deal with in Ottawa is Lehner.
    In Bingo they have to get contracts for Schneider, Hamilton, Blood, Dziurzynsky, Cowick & D Grant – those are the RFAs. I don’t know if they bring back any of the UFAs,

    • my2sens

      How do you negotiate with a viking!? That must be terrifying to say the least.

    • Rafi Bomb

      I could see them let Hamilton, Blood and Cowick walk.

  • OleHeaveHoFlipperoooni

    I Like what im hearing!!!

    • my2sens

      I hear a fan? What are you hearing?

  • AutoTurris

    So now 8 NHL D men, not a lot of talent spread out in that group, I really hope BM doesn’t trade off PW

    • Pasky

      If Cowen had a good year I would have traded off Methot. Unfortunately, I think Weir is the most likely considering the team doesn’t really prioritize him.

  • Dirk-Diggler

    Hopefully we can put Boro on waivers or trade him. I don’t want to lose Weir in any trade…

    • Rafi Bomb

      Put wiericoch in a package for Byfuglien.

      • Sensturion

        Defeats the purpose of dealing a D away. Also, Byfuglien is a crappy skater. We don’t want to lose speed and get older.

        • FistsofNeil25

          I don’t even want Byfuglien but he’s a far superior skater to Wiercioch.

          • Dirtysweetness

            Really? Big Buf was pushing 270-300lbs not too long ago…

          • FistsofNeil25

            Doesn’t mean he can’t skate. He’s very athletic.

          • Dirtysweetness

            Could you imagine being checked into the boards by that monster?

          • Rafi Bomb

            Here is Lucic taking a run at him and bouncing off

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RmgmwTtyIM

          • Dirtysweetness

            That’s hilarious! Thanks for that!!

          • Rafi Bomb

            What don’t you like about Byfuglien?

          • FistsofNeil25

            I want a defenseman who can play within the teams structure. The biggest knock on Byfuglien is that he doesn’t play in any structure to his game whatsoever and he’s not very reliable defensively. He’s a very good talent, but I don’t think he’s the type of player we need.

          • Rafi Bomb

            Ok well we could target Bogosian instead.

          • FistsofNeil25

            That would be a better target if he was available.

          • Rafi Bomb

            Apparently Cheveldayoff is taking calls on everybody aside from Scheifele, Trouba and Morrissey

            http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=455748

        • Rafi Bomb

          How do we lose speed? Wierioch is slow.

          We only need 3 offensive d men and with Ceci and Karlsson in the lineup Wieircioch is pushed down to the 3rd pairing. We would be better off improving our top four by bringing in a guy like Byfuglien or Bieksa or even Bogosian for that matter.

      • Sandy

        My dream is Gudbranson, but that would take too much to get.

    • AutoTurris

      The Phillips contract comes back to get us once again

    • jimmyjohnson

      Boro would pretty much definitely clear waivers

  • Dirtysweetness

    I think Murray should have said “we’re really close with one team” to fire things up. But, what do I know…

    • jimmyjohnson

      teams know if that is true or not…

      • Hax

        Not really – the team he feels he’s close with (if there were one) might not even know. It’s basically saying there’s an offer that he’s tempted to take which might entice teams to bump their offers a bit.

        • jimmyjohnson

          and then nothing better comes along and he’s left with his —> in his hand.

          It’s very much a terrible tactical decision. It shows he’s getting nervous and desperate.

          • Hax

            Are you suggesting the offers will get worse because he said that? I think a potential HOF GM knows a little more about tactics than you do – with all due respect.

          • jimmyjohnson

            lmao

            That potential HOF GM said nothing of the sort.

            That kind of escaped you there, didn’t it?

            And no, I wasn’t suggesting that.

            That’s such a ridiculous response.

          • Hax

            Since I’m such a dummy can you explain to me exactly why Murray suggesting he’s close with one team could possibly hamper his negotiating position? Or end with his johnson in his hand? What exactly were you suggesting then?

          • jimmyjohnson

            I just did up top. And there are entirely too many people on here who misrepresent what I say. A perfect example of that is right here where you take my calling your response ridiculous as me calling you a dummy.

          • Hax

            Sorry man but if “too many people” are misrepresenting what you say maybe you’re not always super clear? It’s a comment board so points are bound to be missed and nobody should really care too much, but really your rational that you spelled out is brutal.

            You’re welcome to come play poker at my place any time. You seem like a nice enough person but I suspect you don’t take home many big poker pots.

          • jimmyjohnson

            You just said I’m good at misrepresenting my point and then said I don’t take home many pots.

            Does the disconnect even compute for you?

            ….

            And then to call out my rational when what you’ve displayed here is an incredibly poor reasoning ability filled with logical fallacies…

            I actually found myself agreeing with you a lot but now I feel like you just regurgitate what you hear elsewhere.

            I’ll say this one last time:
            Bryan Murray never said “we have an offer we like.”
            I said he shouldn’t.
            You said it wouldn’t hurt.
            I said it probably would.
            You said Bryan Murray is smarter than I am, so it probably wouldn’t hurt.
            I said “BRYAN MURRAY NEVER SAID THAT!”

            goddam.

          • Hax

            I conceded that Murray never said it.

            But I still think you’re wrong to suggest it would absolutely hurt his position if he did.

            If you’re saying that you really meant it won’t improve his position then I’ll concede that too since the chances it actually impacts what a GM offers is minimal.

            But if you really think GMs call each other and truthfully tell each other what they offered for a player they both want …. well then let’s play poker some time.

          • jimmyjohnson

            I think there are leaks all over the NHL and names get out. GMs talk to each other and get a feel for what might have been offered. They are all pretty smart guys and can discern between a likely offer and not.

            That’s what I’m saying.

          • CaMo

            This has to be one of the most pointless arguments this board has ever seen and I LOVE IT.

          • Frankie Fives

            JJ is 100% correct. If Murray were to say he’s close to a deal when he’s not would lead teams to believe he’s ready to take a mediocre offer as most teams know what has or hasn’t been offered already. GMs talk all the time and there’s a trust/respect factor in play. I highly doubt BM will jeopardize his integrity just to up the ante.

          • Hax

            Leaks and hints yes – much more reasonable.

            Again, if Murray isn’t anywhere near “close” then the statement doesn’t do anything as you pointed out. If he actually is close then saying so publicly has a small chance of nudging things along but not by much.

            I think the most likely scenario is any GM would ignore a statement like that and work with the information they actually have rather than some presser.

          • peetypuck

            Hax if you read there was an auction with an item up for sale that you desired would you be more likely to go if you knew there was going to be a lot of people bidding on that item? Or would you prefer going to an auction where hardly anyone was bidding? The answer to me is simple. I’d be more inclined to go to the auction with fewer bidders because I would have a better chance of getting the item.

          • Hax

            I agree but you can’t compare an NHL player to an auction item that way. Every GM should pretty much want the same things as everyone else (outside of positions etc). If you think a piece of art is valuable and I think it’s hideous then neither one of us is wrong and you can bid all you want on it. If a few teams are looking for a center and only one of them is interested in Spezza – I’d have to wonder if that one team is out to lunch.

            I see your point about fewer bidders meaning a bargain but I’m hoping that Spezza goes to the highest of many bidders, not to a GM getting a bargain.

            So I guess I’m suggesting that indicating there is lots of interest can potentially have GMs think “Hey if everyone else is clamoring after this player maybe we should take a look”.

            Anyway – yesterday’s debate and not worth going into further.

          • Hax

            I’ll agree with you here. In my haste to explain to you how saying something like that can’t hurt his position I forgot we were debating a hypothetical. Point for you (but I’m still winning).

          • jimmyjohnson

            The entire discussion is around that point, so no, you aren’t.

          • Hax

            I’m taking a knee.

            I’m going to boil your point here down to “Doing what was proposed here would do absolutely nothing to enhance the return value.”

            While I think there’s a slim chance it could spur some GM to bump his offer slightly thinking it might get Murray to pull the trigger (rather than just feel “close”) the chance of that happening is slim enough that if you want to call it “absolutely nothing” then fine.

          • jimmyjohnson

            If Murray was actually close, it would make sense. But if the offers are only slowly trickling into respectability, then it doesn’t.

            What he said instead was “a name not discussed previously was introduced by one team”. THAT comment has the desired effect for what you and dirtysweetness want to see.

          • Hax

            Agree completely. They mystery name (assuming it relates to Spezza offers) does more to stir things up by a long shot.

            If he feels the offers are getting close or there’s a GM or two that are worried they’ll miss out then some red herring about “close offers” might seal the deal. But if they’re not close then that comment doesn’t help him.

          • peetypuck

            Murray’s tactic to date is to understate any offers which tempts teams to think about trying an offer thus getting a number of GM’s to compete in an auction-like atmosphere for Spezza.

          • jimmyjohnson

            who is plus 1 ing this? Do you people even think or just act on bias?

            pathetic.

          • Doc

            Thems fighting words.

        • peetypuck

          It might also scare some teams off.

          • Hax

            Any GM that’s scared off by the idea that Murray is tempted by an offer from another team isn’t going to be the highest bidder. It also assumes that GM hasn’t put in a bid at all yet.

            Murray has several teams that have made at least starting offers. Hinting that one offer is interesting cannot possibly hurt his position. Panicking fans notwithstanding.

          • jimmyjohnson

            Ummmmmmmm

            Yes

            It can.

            Teams confer with each other and figure out what’s been offered. They then realize at least one of the marginal offers is intriguing and they lower their willingness to go much higher.

            Doing what was proposed here would do absolutely nothing to enhance the return value.

          • Hax

            Ah! So your assumption is that teams who are bidding on the same player are going to openly tell each other what they offered.

            Right.

            Okay.

            I see now how wide the gap in intelligence is between you and Murray.

            Yikes.

          • jimmyjohnson

            Why is everyone on here so intent on calling out my intelligence lol?

            I negotiate for a living. I know how these things are done. I also have a few dozen contacts in the hockey business who know quite well how things work.

            If you actually think that Murray saying “we’re close” somehow improves his position, then you really are confused.

          • Hax

            I don’t think it improves it significantly – my point is that it can’t possibly hurt it.

          • jimmyjohnson

            It can and it probably would.

            It would also lessen Murray in the eyes of his colleagues. They would lose faith in him and lose respect.

          • CaMo

            Negotiating with your mom for more lunch money doesnt count.

            Saying we’re close adds pressure to other teams. It also lets them know that the deals out there aren’t quite good enough. in other words. Step it up STL, ANA , FLA and whoever the F else

          • jimmyjohnson

            funny, how’s the charitable donating going for you?

          • CaMo

            Clickin the ads everyday jimmy boy!

          • jimmyjohnson

            And…

            I’m going to type this in caps because you seem to be missing this very important point.

            MURRAY NEVER SAID THIS. HE NEVER SAID THAT THERE WAS AN OFFER HE LIKED. SOME RANDOM GUY POSTING UNDER A RANDOM USERNAME ON A HOCKEY BLOG SAID IT, BUT YOU ARE USING THE IDEA THAT HE DID SAY IT TO CONVINCE PEOPLE THAT I’M A DUMMY BECAUSE I CAN’T SEE THE SUPREME WISDOM IN IT.

            LOL

          • Hax

            Okay since you went all-capsy on me this will be the last response before a cool off period.

            You said teams would know it wasn’t true. Then you said it can hurt his position.

            I suggested that Murray could say that and teams wouldn’t necessarily know it wasn’t true. It’s not like he’s going to tell a team he’s tempted by their offer if he thinks they might offer more. Or hell he might tell a team he’s tempted if he’s not to see if they’ll boost it a bit.

            Point being, everything GMs say is 90% BS anyway so I don’t think saying that really causes other GMs to do anything negative. They might (slim chance) think they should drop in a better offer or they might dismiss it.

          • jimmyjohnson

            Teams know what other teams have to offer and are offering. That’s a pretty well known fact.

            Yes, GMs lie, but they rely on respect between one another to do profitable deals. If Murray starts playing them, they’ll know.

          • peetypuck

            Hax, there’s no need to get personal with JJ over a hockey discussion. Calling people names makes it personal.

  • FistsofNeil25

    It’s unfortunate we have to talk about trading guys like Wiercioch, Cowen or Methot to make room on the blueline when we should have just let Phillips go. What a stupid decision it was to keep him.

    • Sensnation

      We don’t have to trade them though. 1 more year running 7 dmen is not the end of the world. Boro doesn’t really change too much with or without Phillips he’s still an extra most days. Hurts Wiercioch the most I guess, but he has the most to learn/improve.

      Methot – Karlsson
      Cowen – Wiercioch/Gryba
      Phillips/Gryba – Ceci

      • FistsofNeil25

        Yeah either Borowiecki or Ceci could play out the year in the minors. Boro would likely clear waivers and it wouldn’t hurt Ceci to play a full year under Luke. Next year is just a developmental year anyway.

        I just don’t like the idea of Cowen, Gryba, Wiercioch or Phillips playing 20+ minutes a night in our top 4 right now. None of them have demonstrated that they are capable of playing such a big role.

        Hopefully Cowen gets back on track this year. We really need him to start trending upwards.

        • Hax

          I agree with this. I’d rather see a top 4 D come back in a trade. Which means moving at least one guy out of course. I’d also like to see Ceci play in the NHL. Though a year in Bingo might avoid any sort of sophomore slump.

          And yes, Cowen is due to bounce back and/or Wiercioch is due to break out. So while it’s a bit risky I can see our current D being pretty good next year.

          • FistsofNeil25

            I can see our D being better next year, but I’m not sold that they could be all that good. I think a few years down the line if Ceci and Cowen develop in to the players they’re expected to be then we could have a very solid 6 man unit. I think where we see the biggest improvement next year is with our overall team defense. I would find it unfair to place all the blame on our actual defenseman when we had two or three forward lines getting fed their lunch to them for the majority of the season.

            I don’t know if I really want to trade away assets for a defenseman without trying to pick up one of the few solid UFAs first. If we can’t do that I’m fine going with the guys we have now for next season. It’s not like I have high expectations next year anyway.

        • Pasky

          I think Cowen plays it and I don’t mind since the amount he’s getting paid he needs to play and get his shit together anyways. I’m sure he rebounds this year. I don’t mind seeing Ceci start in the minors next year, but we would need a RHD to play behind Karlsson on the 2nd pairing, which would be a deal that Weir would be involved in.

          The thing that I think management is thinking about is that Gryba will basically be the bottom pairing guy on the right side, and Karlsson on the top pairing for the foreseeable future. If we trade for Shattenkirk to fill in the 2nd pairing, then that doesn’t leave much of a spot for Ceci and this is arguably the last year he plays games in the minors. So the right side will suck next year maybe, but as long as Ceci grows his game then he will get that 2nd pairing position and we’ll be set.

          I think the main piece we will need is a Top 4 on the left side if Cowen doesn’t improve his game, or Methot doesn’t resign with the team. This is probably why the team doesn’t want to change the back end this year, but if there’s no improvements after this season then I can see major changes next season.

      • BMurray

        No way we are contenders with this D, and we are only going to make it tougher on the Goalies.

        can we not take a look at Claeson this year….

        Methot/Karlson
        Girardi/Boyle
        Cowen/Ceci
        Philips/gryba (7/8)

        Girardis name was in the trade world all year last year

        • BMurray

          Rangers can only dream of
          Nash/Spezza/Stlouis

          to rangers: Spezza/weircoch
          to Sens: Girardi/2014 second/first 2015

    • BMurray

      Agree, great team guy, but he just isnt where he needs to be. He should be the Sens 7th D.

      Im hoping that Greening/Weircioch are being moved, we need to get a D, Boyle with UFA and then go trade Spezza to Rangers and get one of their D….

  • Sandy

    I’m genuinely concerned about the health of Bryan Murray. This picture is terrible. He has dropped a lot of weight in the past couple of months.

    https://twitter.com/Senators/status/482252655813615616/photo/1

    • Doc

      Although I agree he’s a lot more ‘slim’ than usual, he is 71 years old.

      • Sandy

        Based on what he looked like at the end of the season — it’s a dramatic change in my opinion.
        Yes he is 71 but he was also that a couple of months ago.

        • Doc

          True. Maybe age is just catching up to him.

          It is curious, I’ll give you that.

          • Sandy

            He looks sick to me.
            Much like Reeds did the end of the season.
            Not saying there is anything really wrong, but he doesn’t look right.

          • Mr Hockey

            I know a couple guys that deal with Murray on a somewhat regular basis. Not saying that he isn’t sick, but if he is it certainly hasn’t impacted his dealings with them. Again doesn’t mean much but at least it’s something.

        • peetypuck

          His face does look thin.

          • Doc

            Maybe he just started doing Crossfit.

          • peetypuck

            I hope he isn’t sick. He’s probably very tired. He most likely is working 18 hour days since the Sens season ended. He has a lot to do this off season.

        • Andrews theory

          melnyk secretly slips into his room each night to suck the blood out of him. i thought everybody already knew that..

      • Mitchell

        as a photography you have to notice body parts a lot and use them to your advantage. his shoulders are hidden under the microphones. larger younger men are surrounding him and are closer to the photographer talking the photo. with that in mind it makes the vision of having almost a sick looking BM

    • CaMo

      He does look rather sick … very slim in the face. But like everyone else said that’s gotta be just because he’s getting old. He’s still got that nice gut going.

  • Dirk-Diggler

    I hate Chris Phillips

    • esk

      might as well get rid of neil as well

      • Hax

        You guys never played with your old toys the minute you got new ones right? Even if you loved your old toys when you first got them?

        • FistsofNeil25

          I usually only got new toys once my old toys were broken and useless.

          • Sensnation

            Lucky, I had to invent new ways to use them lol

          • Jason P.

            As defensive coaches?

    • THE best looking Erik

      I hate haters

  • peetypuck

    Imagine Murray getting Florida’s 1st pick and drafting Ekblad. Imagine that he also got Gudbranson in the deal. That would take Spezza, Methot and either Cowen/Gryba/Wiercioch plus a prospect going to Fla. IMO. Then imagine EK65/Gudbranson Ceci/Ekblad and Phillips/Boro.

    • Brock

      Lazar would need to be included…

      • peetypuck

        Do you think so?

        • jimmyjohnson

          no question. Our 2015 1st would also be required.

          • peetypuck

            What do you think that Tallon wants for Gudbranson?

          • CaMo

            You guys are all nuts if you think it’s going to take Cowen + 2015 1st + Lazar for anything in florida. None of those peices are going anywhere.

          • jimmyjohnson

            Same realm I’d imagine. Gud was taken 3 overall 4 years ago and they’ve put a ton into developing him. Despite what some fans will tell people, Gus a beast and easily a top pairing D-man. I think he’s about to hit his prime.

            Value on both those assets is exceedingly high, prohibitively even.

          • Sensnation

            Wow, if they are that high on him, they should keep him. Lazar plus our 1st in 2015 should buy us most players in the league if you throw in a current roster player.

          • peetypuck

            That’s what I think too. Spezza, Methot, Cowen and a prospect is quite a lot. Lazar alone is worth more than the 1st pick and almost equal to Gudbranson.

          • jimmyjohnson

            Sorry… what??

            The guy taken one year ago at #17 is now worth more than the 1st overall??

            No, man. No.

          • peetypuck

            After the WC’s and the Memorial Cup run Lazar is one of the top prospects going now. There isn’t one GM who wouldn’t snap him up in an instant. Bryan Murray found another late-pick gem.

          • Ryan

            I agree, why are we over rating gudbranson so much? the guy has done nothing, and if we “expect” he finally breaks out next year and he doesn’t? cowen has been better than him, so if we think gudbranson can break out next year who’s to say cowen doesn’t as well, we could be massively over paying for another bust or something we already have in cowed if we go after gundbranson. I say florida can keep him.

    • WaitingSince92

      Put down the bottle, peety…

    • esk

      I hope something like this goes down! florida seems desperate to win now especially with luongo in net…its a possibility.

      • peetypuck

        We can keep on hoping.

    • jtf927

      acquiring ekblad would be awesome. i wonder if he indeed will go first. last year at the draft, seth jones was slated as the top pick, but teams passed on him for forwards.

    • sprucesens

      you almost had me, till Phillips/boro. lol. we’d lose games with that alone. Boro is not fast enough to cover Phillips mistakes. HOWEVER, it might work well. Phillips points, boro smashes the player. Phillips points over there. Boro crashes into that guy. Voila, perfect chemistry

      • peetypuck

        The top 4 could probably play close to 100 minutes a game leaving Phillips and Boro playing the other teams 4th lines.

        • CaMo

          U forgot Gryba/Wiercoch/Cowen. + this trade idea is bogus.

          • peetypuck

            It’s my idea. I can use whichever d-men that I want. LOL

      • laughing

        Heh, love the suggestion for the Phillips/Boro pairing :)

    • Frankie Fives

      That’s all fine and dandy but the forward group would be BRUTAL. They’d be bottom third in league scoring for sure

      • peetypuck

        Oh darn, I guess they would end up being stuck with a very high draft pick in the McDavid sweepstakes. Of all the terrible things…

    • Pugnacious Serf

      Yeah, that dream pairing of Boroweicki and Phillips.

  • Dirtysweetness

    Would anyone be that disappointed if we didn’t get a first round pick in this draft if we got a decent package back? I know I wouldn’t.

    • Doc

      Nope. That’s actually my preferred scenario.

    • Hax

      I’m actually going to be a little concerned if we DO get a first in this draft that Murray felt he had to get a first this year and didn’t wait for a better offer July 1st. But ultimately I’d trust that he knows what he’s doing.

      So no, I will not be the least bit concerned if Murray waits.

    • Sensnation

      Not disappointing at all, just means the circus carries on longer.

    • Frankie Fives

      If it’s not top-3, I prefer a deal without a 1st rounder

    • laughing

      I wouldn’t be disappointed, so long as we get at least someone in the trade that will make a huge impact on this team for many years to come.

  • Sensnation

    Murray’s last statement sounded like he’s not expecting to get a 1st rounder tomorrow.

  • Andrews theory

    what about a deal centered around Gudbranson and Cowen?

    • FistsofNeil25

      Get it done Murray!!

    • CaMo

      But imagine the 2 of those towers together? That could be the ultimate shutdown duo if Cowen gets his shit together.

      • Sensnation

        ^ This is what I would hope for. Trading 1 for the other seems a bit useless.

      • sprucesens

        well yeah, but cowen with gryba is similar, again, if cowen get’s his $@#! together. Not saying gryba is the same as gud, so don’t jump on me for that

        • CaMo

          Gryba doesnt have the mean edge that Gudbranson has. Or half the foot speed. Similar , sure, but Gudbranson is a much better player.

          • Hax

            I think he has that mean edge – it’s just he’s timid after seeing a guy he hit bleed all over the ice. Hopefully he gets it back.

            But yeah, nobody is suggesting Gryba is Gudbranson.

          • CaMo

            His play needs to start matching his beard. Cowen needs to grow one too. like in his mem cup days.

          • sprucesens

            yeah, that’s what I was getting at hax. gryba can hit hard, but he definitely shied away after “that hit” not saying he’s nearly as good as gudbrandson

          • CaMo

            He CAN hit hard, but rarely does anymore. Gudbranson ALWAYS punishes people in the corners, and with authority. I mean I understand Gryba doesn’t want to hurt anymore people, but for him to be as effective as he should be he needs to be physical. He can’t use one nasty hit as an excuse, especially now that he has a 2 year contract. It’s now or never for him to start hammering guys.

    • jimmyjohnson

      I saw someone post something like that in the last thread and I loved it. I haven’t given up on Cowen, but I wouldn’t blink if it cost him and a couple other less-than-lazar assets to get that monster.

  • Max2166

    Thanks for the update Chirp. I still think Jason Spezza will be dealt tomorrow night.

  • Sensturion

    I don’t understand why the Edmonton Oilers are so excited about having a top-3 pick for the 4th time in 5 years… THAT’S NOT A GOOD THING! Especially considering your team is still terrible.

    • Sensnation

      Because you can only make the wrong choice so many times right? Eventually you have to get one right, no? ;)

      • jimmyjohnson

        lol

      • laughing

        Sadly, they’ll most likely keep making the wrong choices until they make big changes on the management side of things.

    • CaMo

      Man those kids suck. lol.

  • Dirtysweetness

    I wonder if it’s Kulikov Florida’s looking to deal? He wanted out not too long ago…

    • Sensnation

      Take him in a second!

      • Dirtysweetness

        No kidding.

        • Sensnation

          Everyone’s drooling over Gudbranson, but I actually like Kulikov more, seems like a more amenable price point.

          • Dirtysweetness

            I’d love him but Tallon has said recently during an interview (TSN1200) that there’s no chance they’re going to deal their future captain.

          • Sensnation

            Ah I missed that. I thought they were having differences with him during this past season. Glad to hear they worked them out.

          • Sensturion

            Ottawa is trading their captain… for a second time…

          • Hax

            Well yes but that’s current captain, not future captain. And not a guy that the GM came out and said “no chance” to trading him. And a captain who’s apparently indicated he won’t extend etc, etc.

          • Sensturion

            Kulikov wants out, though… Either way, we have too many D.

          • FistsofNeil25

            He said this in reference to Gudbranson though right?

          • Sensnation

            Ya, that sounds more like it. I thought that was the case too, but you guys heard this interview, anyone have a link to it?

          • FistsofNeil25

            It was a few months ago. Perhaps before the trade deadline?

          • Dirtysweetness

            Yes. Sorry.. Started drinking early.

    • THE best looking Erik

      Kulikov you say ?
      Did a pig just fly past Melnyk’s window ?

    • sprucesens

      no thanks. not normally against Russian’s because of the KHL risk, but I believe I read an article that he said pay me or I’m gone to the KHL. I read it around the deadline last year, when we were in talks with florida for a Dman. I still shy away from him

  • jtf927

    glad to see murray is sticking to his guns and not accepting berglund as the centrepiece. makes me wonder about the comment made that a “name that has not been mentioned before.” i wonder if teams are maybe calling about anderson?

    • Hax

      It could be that the name mentioned was part of an offer for Spezza rather than a Sen they asked about.

      • jtf927

        yeah. it could be in that direction too. i was also just wondering about cowen.

        • jtf927

          TSN is reporting that niskanen will hit the open market. i think he is a dman murray should consider.

          • Sensnation

            Not at the price. He will command close to Karlsson money for not even half the production.

          • jtf927

            forget that option then. this past season may have been a blip on the radar screen.

          • CaMo

            Exactly, before this season Niskanen to me was the guy who fought Crosby then got traded to Pitt. That PP of theirs inflated their numbers. But you’re right, he sure would look nice manning out 2nd PP.

          • jtf927

            he would definitely look nice. but, i would be against giving him an inflated salary. i am still hoping we can land shattenkirk in a deal with the blues.

  • aegiszx

    Gryba signs for less than Cowen– will probably still outperform Cowen.

    Prove me wrong JC2.

    • jtf927

      that cowen deal is looking bad. i wonder if murray will try to move him.

      • FistsofNeil25

        He’s not going to sell low on a young player without giving them a chance to improve.

    • Sensnation

      He will. Cowen’s deal was high for the first 2 years to hopefully save at the end. He’s not expected to reach his stride for another year or two, still too early to be so hard on the kid let alone give up.

      • jimmyjohnson

        He wasn’t expected to be that bad tho. I know they didn’t foresee a regression like what he went through this season. I’m sure they weigh the options when trades with his name in it are presented to them now. Before this season, I’m not sure that could be said.

        • Sensnation

          I know, but he was coming back from injury. We’ve seen several players have backwards movement in those types of years. Throwing him top pairing with Karlsson who was coming back from injury too, really just compounded it all negatively. Keep the faith, he has skills you can’t teach, just needs to learn the ones you can.

          • jimmyjohnson

            I’m trying lol.

            To be fair, he didn’t wind up on the top pairing until mid-season. I think you’re right that his struggles were compounded by that promotion, but I think he had enough time to recover from the injury to be able to handle it. Unfortunately for us though, he couldn’t.

            The last 20 games he wasn’t horrendous though, so hopefully he can come in and prove he can play.

            My belief that he has top pairing potential has taken a hit.

          • Sensnation

            lol, he appreciates the effort :)

            I think the belief that he’s Karlsson’s partner is what needs to end. Cowen needs to be allowed to jump into the play or carry the puck here or there. With Gryba as his partner we saw a lot of positive opportunities like that. Wiercioch shares the puck a bit more too. Karlsson takes it and goes, as he should being so awesome offensively. Cowen’s not stay at home enough to play with Karlsson, but could still lead a strong 1b pairing in a few years. But hey a strong 3rd or 4th dman is still a huge success for him, if that’s what he can become.

          • jimmyjohnson

            It’s no a prominent opinion amongst many but I genuinely believe that Wiercioch is the perfect partner for Karlsson. He wouldn’t kill chances like most of the others and his general style is more passive. It also forces each of them to improve their d game instead of relying on a sound partner.

            I admit it’s not a slam dunk, but we saw this season on occasion that it could work.

    • CaMo

      Cowen’s still young, he will just improve. Stop worrying about him. He’s going to be a beast one day.

      • Hax

        I feel the same way. Though he didn’t do much to help that feeling last season I think young D often torment fans/coaches/GMs with their slow development.

        • CaMo

          I certainly yelled at him through my TV my fair share. But I’m still a believer. He just needs to smarten up out there is all.

    • Deadly

      Way too early to panic with Cowen who is the perfect age for our teams position in their climb to the top.

  • Sandy

    Curious as to the UFA agent Murray contacted.

    • jtf927

      its gotta be 9mm.

    • Brock

      Dany Heatley.

      • jtf927

        lol! nice one. i am waiting to see what happens to this guy. his over-inflated contract thanks to us is over. good luck out there all-star! you suck! slowest player in the game.

        • Sensnation

          Tallon’s going to trade for Spezza, and then sign Heatley and Hemsky and say thanks for getting us to the floor, go be our first line!

          • jimmyjohnson

            Honestly, if anyone can revive Heatley, it’s Spezza.
            That line would be sickening if Heatley could become useful again. Even a 30 goal Heater would do. Now this is the only thing I want for Christmas.

    • EK65

      Kulemin is my bet

    • THE best looking Erik

      Joe Corvo ?

    • jimmyjohnson

      I head Alex Picard has really great potential.

  • Deadly

    Hoping Vrbata

  • esk

    @cbcjlong “BREAKING: #stlblues announce a three-year contract extension for Patrik Berglund”

    • EK65

      WHAT DOES THIS MEAN??

      My guess is Sens are interested in him if he’s not the main piece in the deal, which I’m okay with.

      • jtf927

        yeah. as long as he is not the main piece. i would want a deal to be centred around shatty + berglund.

        • EK65

          If you’re holding out for Shatty, you are going to be severely disappointed. I’d see it as Berglund + younger forward (schwartz/tarasenko)… Shatty is untouchable

          • Millennium

            Schwartz and Tarasenko are most likely as valuable in a trade as Shattenkirk. Getting any one of those three would be a good deal for us.

          • CaMo

            We’d be lucky to get one of those young studs 1-for-1 in a Spezza deal. Would you rather get a bunch of mediocrity like Berglund and picks , or a blue chip piece. I go blue chip

          • Sensnation

            I think that’s the line where a lot of the fan base is divided. Some think Spezza is worth more, and some think the young studs are. Given what GMs say, I would tend to think Spezza is worth more, but if Tarasenko for Spezza was straight up, I’m sure a lot of us would learn to live with it. Same would go for Nichushkin in Dallas, or Saad in Chicago.

          • CaMo

            You’re 100% right.

          • Rafi Bomb

            The curious thing is whether Murray would accept those players in a 1 for 1 deal or if he is looking for them +. If he wants them plus something substantial then I could see a reason why a deal would get held up. Both STL and Dallas would feel like they are offering a lot by giving up Tarasenko or Nichushkin and would be hesitant to add picks or prospects on top of that.

          • peetypuck

            Doug Armstrong can’t have his team out of the playoffs in the first round next year. It could cost him his job. He needs to bolster the #2 centre position to compete with LA and CHI. If he loses out on Spezza his chances to upgrade the #2 centre position go way down. He then has to outbid everyone else for Stastny and the other GM’s know this.

          • jimmyjohnson

            I didn’t realize until yesterday that Stastny has STL ties. I think DA might be fully prepared to wait and swing at him instead of Spaz

          • Sensnation

            It’s quite possible all these Western teams are playing up the Spezza angle to force one of their opponents to overpay while they swoop in and get the other guy they wanted like Statsny. So many story lines this time of year!

          • jimmyjohnson

            Maybe it’s just the Spezza thing, but I feel like this year is more interesting than most.

            I hope we see some fireworks tomorrow.

            (I’m also quietly rooting that we bring alfie back)

          • peetypuck

            If he could get Stastny it wouldn’t cost him any players or picks. Just money but Stastny is more of a #2 centre compared to Spezza.

          • jimmyjohnson

            Yeah he’s a great #2 and an okay #1, whereas Spezza is a great #1 and a phenomenal #2

            (For those with reading comprehension issues, understand that Spezza is a great #1 as Crosby is a phenomenal #1)

          • peetypuck

            I’m glad that you differentiated between the two. But what about Malkin?

          • jimmyjohnson

            He’s a phenomenal #1.

          • peetypuck

            Could you be more clear on that?

          • jimmyjohnson

            I don’t know if you’re joking…
            I think you are lol

          • peetypuck

            Just kidding. lol

          • peetypuck

            Armstrong doesn’t want to trade q for q. Just for fun I’d try Spezza, Methot and the #2 pick this year for Pietrangelo.

          • jimmyjohnson

            lol

            “Doug?

            You still there, Doug?

            *Shouts while hanging up the phone* PIERRE, IT DIDN’T WORK…”

          • jtf927

            during the playoffs, the commentators suggested that the blues management feels like too much money is tied up in the defense when they need more scoring. this would lead me to believe they would be willing to deal away a defenseman for a top 3/6 forward.

          • jimmyjohnson

            I would have figured that Shattenkirk, Schwartz, Tarasenko were all on similar levels of value, but the way DA talked about Shattenkirk the other day definitely seems to support this comment.

          • FistsofNeil25

            St Louis fans will tell you that beyond Pieteranglo, Schwartz and Tarasenko are their two most valuable players. I would also agree with that. Tarasenko and Schwartz are the only the forwards in that organization with “A” level potential.

          • Sensnation

            Oshie?

          • FistsofNeil25

            Nope I don’t see Oshie as an “A” level player. He’s a pretty good one but Schwartz and Tarasenko have more offensive upside.

          • Sensnation

            Ah ok. Not disagreeing, just wasn’t sure if you remembered him. I can see that though.

          • jimmyjohnson

            I feel like STL fans value Shattenkirk more than hockey people do. I could be wrong but it’s plausible if you assume that they underrate him because “he’s no Pietro”.

            Da’s comments on him show that he feels the best is probably still to come for Shattenkirk. Whether or not that’s true, I agree with the sentiment.

    • jimmyjohnson

      That turns him back into an asset.

      • FistsofNeil25

        Hopefully not one that we’re interested in.

      • CaMo

        Nope, he’s still not good enough to be the Spezza center peice just because he all of a sudden has a decent contract.

        • jimmyjohnson

          I wasn’t saying that.

          • CaMo

            well yet again what u meant and what it looks like you meant are different things. you lack clarity. Asset in what way did you mean?

          • peetypuck

            How does calling him an asset translate to him being the centrepiece in a Spezza deal? I don’t see the connection.

          • CaMo

            Well I’m assuming he meant an asset for the Sens.
            Everyone has been talking about him as a centrepiece for Spez.
            The above conversation is the connection.
            Do you want to tell me what he meant peety?

          • peetypuck

            You assumed.

          • jimmyjohnson

            This is what I’m saying. I say one thing, people jump one or two steps ahead and claim I said something further down one line of thinking.

            Reading between the lines and writing new lines are two different things.

          • CaMo

            fuckit.

          • jimmyjohnson

            I say “that comment is ridiculous”

            A typically reasonable poster says “so I’m a dummy!”

            That pretty well typifies what happens in these disagreements.

            What I actually do is spend an obscene amount of time here explaining the nuances of the comments I make, usually to people who assume they know what I mean but seemingly lack certain reading comprehension skills.

          • CaMo

            When you don’t explain your point in your original post, that’s whats going to happen. Take a bit more time explaining what you’re saying and people won’t call you dumb all the time. I can’t speak for everyone on here but I have completed my masters degree, ‘reading comprehension’ is not one of my weaknesses.

            Don’t go blaming everyone else because you’re a lazy poster. It happens to you often and it happens for a reason.

          • jimmyjohnson

            I said he was an asset again.

            You said he wasn’t good enough to be the Spezza centerpiece.

            You don’t see the disconnect there?

            The correct inference to my comment was that he wasn’t an asset of any kind as an RFA, least of all the centerpiece of a huge trade.

          • CaMo

            I’m moving on from this Jimmy, you have my two cents. Do with them what you will.

          • jimmyjohnson

            As an RFA, his value was minimal (especially so with the shoulder surgery speculation).

            Now that he is signed, he’s a three year guarantee at an acceptable number that has put up average 3rd line numbers in a stifling system. The shoulder thing is still there, but teams have pretty well paid doctors to sort through stuff like that.

            If anything, this signing makes me more concerned that he’s considered as a centerpiece of the Spezza trade. I don’t think they would accept on that premise, but it’s scary nonetheless.

          • CaMo

            This what you should have said in the first place.

          • jimmyjohnson

            And I’m guessing your assumption was perfectly fine regardless, right?

            I think I know a game you might like:

            http://cdn.hark.com/images/000/503/332/503332/original.jpg

      • Sandy

        Not with that shoulder injury

    • FBP

      I’m scared now. I don’t even mind Berglund as a piece but his injury is ughhhhh.

    • Rafi Bomb

      $3.7M per is high. I would think this only decreases the chances of us acquiring him.

      • FBP

        Pretty much balances with the salary of Spezza though.

        • Rafi Bomb

          Your point being?

          We don’t need to overpay for more 3rd liners.

  • Brock

    Cole Schneider signed 2 way 1 year deal.

    • Rafi Bomb

      That leaves Lehner, Hamilton, Blood, Da Costa, Dziurzysnki, Cowick and Grant in terms of RFA’s left to be signed. We already know that they are working on a deal with Lehner and we know that Da Costa is leaving for Europe. Dorion mentioned Dziurzynski and Grant by name in terms of players who might be able to play some games for Ottawa next season so my guess is they both end up signed. As for Cowick, Blood and Hamilton, my guess is that they let all three walk.

  • JayRuN

    I just got a notification from the score app that said the sens arent even close to making a spezza trade. Hope this isnt true.

    • THE best looking Erik

      Meh – this could go on all summer – remember Nash last year

    • CaMo

      Score app usually just recycles old news from local reporters. I wouldn’t be too concerned with that. But it could go on a while for sure. Just don’t take it from the score.

  • FistsofNeil25

    Sens also just re-signed Cole Schneider to a 1 year 2-way contract

  • THE best looking Erik

    … and the Rooskies ARE GOING HOME

    Eugene Melnyk just bought a round for the house

  • FBP

    I now feel like we’re all going to need a meet/hug/cry/beer up at The Senate this weekend.

  • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

    I have a feeling the gryba deal makes him the odd man out and will be moved with Spezza

    If he plays as well as he did last year it’s a steal

    • CaMo

      Teams sure would like that contract. Pretty cheap for what you get, I think. And I’m not a huge Gryba fan.

    • whammer44

      EK and to a lesser extent CC are the only untouchables. Wouldn’t surprise me to see any of the rest of the group moved

  • Sensnation

    If the Sens trade Spezza for a top 6 + pieces, our roster is pretty full for next year.

    MacArthur-Turris-Ryan
    (Spezza trade)-Zibanejad-Stone
    Greening-Smith-Neil
    Hoffman-Pageau-Condra

    Methot-Karlsson
    Cowen-Wiercioch/Gryba
    Phillips/Gryba-Ceci
    Boro

    And there’s still Puempel, Prince, Lazar and Claesson looking to crack among others. Michalek still in the wings to fill the missing salary to get to the team budget too.

    Will BM have to make other moves, or just avoid free agency this year?

    • Brock

      Don’t think Pageau makes the team next year.

      • Millennium

        Unless we are getting a center back in the Spezza deal, I don’t see who else there is to play 3/4 C. They already said Lazar would start at wing, SDC is gone, and there is no more prepared kid than JGP at centre for us right now.

        • peetypuck

          I wouldn’t worry too much about a 3/4 centre. It’s not that difficult to pick one up in a trade. It’s the top-6 F’s and top-4 D’s we need to worry about.

          • Millennium

            I don’t disagree. I’m just saying that unless we add a C from outside the team, Pageau is probably the defacto third line center. There is no one else in the organization right now who could do a better job in that position.

      • Rafi Bomb

        Me neither. I think he has some decent upside but I think he has a smaller chance than Lazar to make it.

        • peetypuck

          He will probably be a longer term project until he puts enough muscle on.

          • Sensnation

            Like Filatov? lol

            Do we even own his rights anymore?

          • peetypuck

            Filly don’t do exercises!!!

      • Sensnation

        Again? Damn, I hope not for his sake, he can’t prove much more in the AHL.

        • Rafi Bomb

          He isn’t very physically developed. He still looks like a child in street clothes. Might as well be patient with him and give him the opportunity to physically mature before making the jump to the NHL.

    • jimmyjohnson

      Cap wise, he has to do something doesn’t he?

      • Sensnation

        Michalek would cover that, so if he doesn’t sign Michalek in theory I guess you’d go after a similar UFA.

    • whammer44

      havent done the math but does that team even reach the floor

      • Sensnation

        Just, as long as Michalek + Spezza trade equals Spezza’s current cap hit.

        http://www.capgeek.com/senators/

        • whammer44

          dont see milan on what you posted. If this is what we go with we are out of it by xmas.

          • Sensnation

            In the last paragraph because he’s an unknown right now.

            Giving up on Spezza likely means lining up a team that doesn’t have a true NHL level first line.

          • peetypuck

            McDavid, here we come.

    • FistsofNeil25

      That is one brutal hockey team.

      • Sensnation

        It’s pretty much what we have. I’m not overly down about it, but it’s not going to make anyone go to vegas and drop money on the sens.

      • CaMo

        Lol we’d have as many AHL guys as toronto.

      • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

        Change our names to the Ottawa Mcdavids

      • Millennium

        I see it as more volatile than brutal. That team (depending on the missing piece) could make it to the post season, or finish dead last, depending on how 8-9 different guys perform next season.

        • Sensnation

          It would be more defensive for sure. Probably lots of 3-2 games.

          • Millennium

            Well, if Hoffman, Stone, Zibanejad and Pageau all continue to improve this season and Greening has a bounce-back season, our offense could be pretty decent too. Lots of room for improvement on both ends of the roster.

      • Tysen

        I think the best bet is to try and build a team that is entertaining. The fans won’t want to go to games with a roster like that. Operating under and internal budget, the best way to make our team as entraining as possible is to provide lots of opportunities to young skilled players that play with a ton of energy (Stone, Lazar, Hoffman, Pageau, Puempel, Prince, maybe others UFA’s like Andy Miele) and a bunch of big hitters, agitators and fighters who will stir the pot, run around a create some chaos.

        That will keep the fans interested and if they are committed to playing MacLean’s system, they could possibly try and steal a late playoff spot.

    • Rafi Bomb

      I think he will make a few other moves. I could see Greening and/or Condra getting traded. They would only keep those guys is they have to. Then Murray will likely want to add some toughness as we will likely be giving lot of young players opportunities throughout the year and he will want them to feel comfortable.

      I could also see Murray looking for a bargain pick up.

      • WaitingSince92

        I’d like to place a wager on Condra NOT being traded. He’s sooooo obviously not our problem. People just love to shit on him.

    • spoons

      bomb forr mcdavid?

      • Sensnation

        It’s still better than Phoenix, Edmonton, Calgary and a few others.

      • peetypuck

        We want McDavid… We want McDavid… We want McDavid…

      • WaitingSince92

        The problem with tank is that we can’t. We’re losing a full line of our top 6, but we still have too many solid, youthful pieces to the puzzle (I’m thinking Karlsson, Turris, Zibby etc). That plus we’d have to get rid of MacA, Ryan, Methot…

        THEN we could ‘bomb’. Although it might be tough if Lehner keeps improving.

        Too shitty to win, just a LITTLE too much talent to tank.

    • WaitingSince92

      Greening Smith and Neil just kills me. Why don’t we just toss 3 cement blocks out on the ice?!?!

      • sprucesens

        we’d get the same amount of tripping penalties!

  • esk
  • Sandy

    http://t.co/VcECe56sq5
    Dorion Interview.

  • Max2166

    Bob Mackenzie just said on TSN that Anaheim, Chicago and St.Louis are talking to Bryan Murray about Jason Spezza.

  • Millennium

    Spector’s Hockey ‏@SpectorsHockey 5m
    As per @DarrenDreger, #Leafs have interest in Milan Michalek. If they sign him they’ll have to move out a salaried forward, perhaps Lupul.

    • CaMo

      This is amazing.

      • Millennium

        Trying to undo the Macarthur embarassment, only to make things much much worse in the process.

        • THE best looking Erik

          Go Leafs Go

          • peetypuck

            Go away Leafs Go away

        • CaMo

          I hope they do it. Sososo bad.

    • esk

      injury prone replacing injury prone

    • Sandy

      Don’t the Leafs have interest in everybody? Question is, would Michalek go there?

  • Cicero

    In the Dorion interview [at 5:40], Pierre refers to Boro as a player “who will be on the team next year”. I’m curious: Does this portend movement of Cowen or Wiercioch? Include Methot in this list of LH defencemen, and it seems significant to hear this. Or is he referring to simply more call-ups of Boro from Bingo?

    [http://video.senators.nhl.com/videocenter/console?id=626370&catid=1196]

    • Sensnation

      It sounded like a question more than a statement. There was some hesitation there. But I think in the end Boro will play NHL games next year at some point, injuries are bound to happen, it will be up to him to earn the role out of camp.

      • Cicero

        Yeah…it’s orobably insignificant. I’m grasping for clues lol.

        • Sensnation

          Felt the same way when Berglund and Gryba signings were announced so close together. Too much to read into these days.

          • sprucesens

            interesting. closer value could be gryba for berglund? i would at least entertain that

          • Sensnation

            I would too, but is that admitting that Zibanejad is not 2C right now before giving him the chance?

          • FistsofNeil25

            He’s not a 2C until he shows that he is.

          • Sensnation

            Obviously, but acquiring another 2nd or 3rd line center would limit his chances at showing it.

          • sprucesens

            i’d give him 2C, then if he faulters, berglund can help pick up the slack.

  • THE best looking Erik
    • CaMo

      LMAO mind games.

      • Brock

        Mindgames.

        • esk

          lmao some next level investigation

    • WaitingSince92

      This photo reminds me of how affable Kyle Turris is. What a steal he was!

  • Sensnation

    Leafs inquire about Spezza.

    What are the chances a darkhorse team in the west steps in as an intermediary for them?

    Help, my nightmares are becoming real!

    • jimmyjohnson

      If the Leafs get Spezza, that should be a dream scenario for us. They would have to pay through the nose and unless we meet them in the playoffs, his impact against us would be minimal.

      • Sensnation

        Divisional playoffs now so if we make the playoffs and want to succeed we’d definitely have to go through them. 6 games a year too. Just not good at all imo, even worse if they actually have success.

        • jimmyjohnson

          Only 5 games per season, and there’s 6 other teams in the division, so it’s not likely that the road to the Finals actually does go through them.

          Also, keep in mind that in order to get him, they would have to give up pieces they wouldn’t give up… Without one of JVR or Reilly, plus their pick tomorrow, it isn’t happening. If they actually made that move, we’d be better in the long term and relatively on par in the near.

          If, on the other hand, they somehow got him for less, then yes I share your concern.

  • Tooks

    Hehe called it, Woohoo a Gryba signing and bad news on the Spezza front.

    Well the way Murray sounded, he aint trading Spezza anytime soon, lol. Just like I said, offers not up to par and why would they, guy is a UFA next year.

    • sprucesens

      would he say they are good? what good does that do. allows teams to think he’s happy, so they won’t improve them by tomorrow?

  • jasonontheoldsenschirp

    I’m fine with the no first round pick, the organization really doesn’t need it. We’re relatively talented in the prospect pool. We need good players on the pro team.

  • FistsofNeil25

    “Maple Leafs inquired about Jason Spezza with the intention to flip him elsewhere”

    Do these idiots think they can get more for Spezza from another team than we can just because they’re the Leafs?

    • Tooks

      Yep and they would.

      • FistsofNeil25

        Don’t be an idiot Tookie.

        • Tooks

          Its fact, between the 2 teams, players want to play in Toronto, not in Ottawa.

          • FistsofNeil25

            I would have to say that good free agents don’t want to play in either city.

            That isn’t what I said though. I asked if they think they can get more for trading Spezza in a trade than Ottawa can. Unless we’re trying to trade Spezza for players with no trade clauses that would waive for Toronto and not Ottawa, but all signs point to the fact that we’re trying to trade him for youth and a player with a big contract and NTC.

          • Deadly

            Clarkson did.

          • Sandy

            Because he’s from Toronto.

          • peetypuck

            Doesn’t everyone want to play for the Laffs? hahahahaha

        • jimmyjohnson

          No, the idiots are the ones writing this stuff.

      • jimmyjohnson

        If the Leafs managed to get Spezza, it would take an overpayment.

        Why would they flip him for what would surely be less?

    • jimmyjohnson

      The correct question is “do these idiots writing this stuff actually expect us to believe this crap?”

    • Millennium

      Potential scenario: Leafs get Spezza, his NTC list is now avoided, Leafs send Spezza and the 8th for the 1st overall to Florida.

      • Frankie Fives

        His NTC would still be in effect

        • sprucesens

          yes this. the contract never becomes voided. you can only ask the player to waive

          • Millennium

            Hmm, I was thinking about the provision where its up to the new team to honour it, but I guess that is for an NTC that hasn’t kicked in by the time the trade happens.

    • Sandy

      Yes they do. They are the Leafs. Other teams have to do what they say.

  • FistsofNeil25

    I also find it hilarious that the Leafs would have interest in Michalek. They’re probably just trying to raise the price for him so that Ottawa overpays or lets him walk.

    • Tooks

      Thats negotiating 101, they probably have no interest whatsoever and trying to get OTT to overpay or lose Michalek altogether.

      • FistsofNeil25

        Isn’t that what I just said?

        • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

          Hahahha if you reverse the words it is better man!

        • Tooks

          Yes I’m confirming your opinion, haha.

          • FistsofNeil25

            10-4

      • Deadly

        Because he scored so many goal against them? Doubt it.He was probably more valuable to the Leafs playing for the Sens.

      • peetypuck

        Maybe the Laffs are just trying to force the Sens to overpay for Michalek.

        • Kumar

          What ever Leafs does it benefits us. Let him walk and we could find player to fill the roster via trade or free agency.

  • Spoons

    Anybody else worried that Berglund was signed to a 3-year deal today? Why today?

    • FistsofNeil25

      Not at all. Multiple sources have indicated that Berglund won’t get it done for Spezza. Getting him under contract does make him a more trade-able asset though.

    • jimmyjohnson

      Because a signed asset has value.

      It doesn’t mean he’s an asset for us, but someone might want him and the draft is tomorrow.

  • Kumar

    Why don’t Murray take the risk of moving Spezza to Leafs ??? They can’t fit him with cap and signings needed to keep other assets for the Leafs. At least we can get Kadri, Lupul and mid rounder from 2015 or 2014.

    • Sensturion

      By getting rid of Kadri and Lupul, they can fit him in. Do you want Ottawa playing Spezza, JVR and Kessel 5-6 times a year? I don’t.

      • Kumar

        All three along with Phaneuf adds more headache to Carlyle than us. All three known for giveaways.

        • sprucesens

          and they are also known for being top point scorers in the nhl. i would be top 15 for both of them

  • Millennium

    Apparently Willie Mitchell is being let go because the Kings can’t fit him under the cap. If we moved 2-3 guys off the blueline, I’d love Mitchell in there for a season or two.

    • FistsofNeil25

      Our blueline is already too crowded and Mitchell is 37. I like him as well but Ottawa isn’t a good fit for him.

      • Millennium

        well, I guess in a world where we didn’t have Phillips he makes more sense. But if you imagine using PW46 and Spezza as a combo (or Gryba, whichever), and Ceci to the minors, there’s room for a sturdy vet back there.

        • Sensnation

          Why send Ceci back to the minors?

          • jimmyjohnson

            Really depends on how he shows up to camp. It might be out of the question or it might happen sooner than most expect.

          • Sensnation

            I think he’s probably up for good unless he gets injured and needs conditioning. I guess he could have a slump year though.

          • sprucesens

            i actually could see them sending him down, letting him do his thing and improving, while we see if the rest of the D figure things out. But that all changes if we trade a D or 2

          • Sensnation

            If they send him down just for Boro to come keep the bench warm I would be pretty upset and confused.

          • sprucesens

            true, but if it was to see if the current D, not counting boro, rebound. Giving guys like gryba, PW, methot, Cowen to see if they are going to step it up, or fall into mediocrity. We know ceci is in the plans and could still benefit playing over 20 mins a night against the top competition in bingo. He was just a bandaid solution last year to try to right the ship. The rest of them need to pull their own weight, or get out. We know ceci will be for real

          • jimmyjohnson

            It’s a situation almost identical to Zibanejad. If he doesn’t show up and play, contracts could determine his fate

        • WaitingSince92

          People often worry about what forcing a young kid to play in the NHL will do to his development. At this point, I think the opposite could be true of Ceci – sending him back to the AHL may well hinder his progression as a prospect.

    • jimmyjohnson

      If BJ and the Marl won’t waive, SJ should reload with Mitchell and another mid range FA.

      DW may want to rebuild but he can’t with those two and the rest of the core still in tact. I think they should keep pressing for that trophy.

  • WaitingSince92

    Wow, I can’t believe we signed Cole Schne-zzzz zzzzz zzzz. Sorry, must have fallen asleep from boredom mid-sentence there.

  • Frankie Fives

    I have a good feeling about this. Lots of talk surrounding Spezza and usually the best offers come right before the draft. I’m calling it now, Spezza gets dealt tomorrow night and it won’t be to Anaheim nor St Louis

    • Brock

      Yep, exactly.

      • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

        I am still sticking to my Dallas prediction… With Florida bringing up the rear

        • Sensturion

          That’s what she said.

        • Brock

          Who do you think Dallas gives up?

          • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

            If it is Dallas it is one for one for Nichuskin

          • sprucesens

            no way in a 1 for 1. He’s got a whopping 34 points to show for a year playing with Dallas’ top players. That’s like us trading for ryan by only giving up silfverberg. Nichuskin is a starting piece that you add on a complimentary piece, and the pick. If it’s st louis, it might be tarasenko/shwartz and just a pick, with no extra piece. Accepting any one of those players straight up, is like accepting a mid 1st round pick as our full price. None of the players have proved to last in the NHL yet. Imagine if we traded spezza straight up last year for the 1st round pick, and got nichuskin. Heads would be rolling, and we’d all be throwing fits.

          • sprucesens

            if getzlaf (hypothetical age 30 and same injury history)had a year left on his contract, you think we could land him for JUST zibanejad? NO. Lazar? NO. Probably a package of Zib, Lazar and a 1st wins the bid. It’s how hockey trades tend to work. TOP potential for TOP players. The worst trade in a long time, was the return calgary got for iggy as a rental. Everyone else has done well. Remember, SEGUIN went for loui eriksson. We will get a VERY good prospect + coming back, or there will be no move

          • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

            Florida I anticipate it is a similar idea and we get one of Huberdeau, Barkov, Bjugstad

            If there is anything additional there it will be because we send them a D

          • sprucesens

            i wonder if there is a possibility, not involving spezza, where we can land a top player of their’s? None of those players alone would be enough for spezza, but to add to it, we’d have to add as well, like you say. I still like spezza + cowen for 1st and Gudbrandson. Still feels like we aren’t getting enough, maybe add our 2nd and get huberdeau or bjugstadt?

            Spezza+Cowen+40th for Gudbrandson+huberdeau/bjugstadt+1st?

            The only way that is remotely possible is if florida is REALLY high on spezza and is VERY determined to get better now, not in the future.

          • FistsofNeil25

            That is a crazy proposal man. An offer like that would cause Murray to lose all credibility. That’s one of the most heavily lopsided trades in the Sens favor that I have ever seen.

          • sprucesens

            wait what? how would murray lose credibility if he pulled that off?

          • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

            Yeah, in all honesty if we got any of the four guys in question for Spezza I would be happy..anything on top of it would be icing on the cake.

    • Kumar

      Hawks might surprise us.

      • Sensnation

        Hawks are getting someone for sure! Their hands are in all the pots right now.

      • Spoons

        Hawks don’t want Spezza. They’re driving up the asking price for divisional rivals st-louis and Anaheim

        • jimmyjohnson

          I think you might be right

      • Frankie Fives

        If it’s the Hawks, Sens will need to take money back in the deal. If that’s the case, a guy like Hossa or Sharp would need to be involved. Maybe a 3-way deal involving Chicago would make more sense

      • FistsofNeil25

        That would be awesome. Hand them the cup now if they land Spezza. That conference final series vs the Kings could have gone either way. Put
        Spezza on Chicago without subtracted any of their core pieces and they
        are a lock to be back in the conference finals again next year at the
        very least.

        Toews, Kane, Spezza, Hossa, Sharp, Saad… that would be one of the best top sixes in NHL history. I want to see it happen. Please hockey gods… make this happen!

        • Frankie Fives

          There`s thing thing called the salary cap…

          • FistsofNeil25

            It can be done but it would require Chicago to get rid of guys like Bickell and Oduya.

          • jimmyjohnson

            Bickell with Zibanejad would be awesome.

          • aegiszx

            No… Just… No… Bickell is absolutely useless in the regular season… We already have Colin Greening, no need for Bickell.

          • jimmyjohnson

            Murray did say get him people who can play in the playoffs lol

            Spezza for Bickell straight up!!

          • aegiszx

            I believe they are 7 or 8M from the cap. They can fit Spezza into their line up.

          • jimmyjohnson

            I like thing thing

        • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

          Who would we get if he went to Chicago though?

          • FistsofNeil25

            I don’t even care I just want to see that top six in Chicago lol

          • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

            Hahahaha Spezza for future considerations.

            Best offer

          • sprucesens

            yeah, i can’t see them putting in a serious offer. Teravainen, clendening and their 1st?

          • Sensnation

            Teuvo Teravainen would have to be part of it.

          • Tooks

            Teravainen aint going nowhere, CHI wont give up much for Spezza. They dont need him.

    • Sandy

      Don’t hold your breath. Whoever loses out on Stastny & Kesler will come calling to Murray.

      • sprucesens

        hopefully they decide soon where they want to go, so we can start building excitement about our new players. I think all the sens fans need it right now

  • Tooks

    Nothing will happen tonight, NHL has an agreement with the NBA, no traded to be done during each others draft.

    Tomorrow is gonna be interesting!

    • sprucesens

      is that an actual thing? honestly i could see both being so greedy to have an unofficial agreement in place for a few hours. EIther way, less than 24 hours left till we find out if its a pick in this year’s draft that we get back

    • Deadly

      Seems strange that two competing entities would strike this deal.

    • Spinorama

      Got to agree with tooks. There is an unwritten rule between both leagues.

  • http://www.crashthenet.ca/ Luc Wolfe

    I like Gryba, it’s a steal compare to Cowen.

    • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

      I am a big fan of the Gryba deal…i just fear that it may be a sign and trade.

  • sprucesens

    hmm, interesting read on chicago:

    http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/John-Jaeckel/Latest-On-Kesler-Bowman-On-A-Mission-More/128/60906

    Their trade scenarios are SUPER far fetched. Makes the stuff on here seem plain jane

    • http://www.crashthenet.ca/ Luc Wolfe

      i go to thefourthperiod.com, he doesn’t make stuff up and tsn quote him when he gets a trade before other people. doesn’t update often but when there’s a move it’ll be there.

      • sprucesens

        4thperiod is where i first started reading hockey rumours. Stopped going there because there was no traffic or up to date stuff. They do have the ice girls though!

        • http://www.crashthenet.ca/ Luc Wolfe

          well up to date, they don’t make up garbage like hockeybuzz.

  • sprucesens

    ooo, weird. just read this commnt, then thought, where did i just see this number?

    “Can’t help but wonder what the $3.7M spent on Phillips and Gryba would have been better spent on”

    Mostly a hit against recent signings from the person that posted it. But crazy how that is the exact amount berglund signed for…..Money in, money out is our motto

    • FistsofNeil25

      What?

      • sprucesens

        sorry, maybe we trade phillips and gryba for berglund? that’s what i was hinting at. Just someone else posted 3.7mill for those 2, which is the exact contract berglund just signed with the blues. Got me thinking

        edit:also, i know it makes no sense, and will not happen, it was more of a joke, but crazy coincidence that it happens on the same day, hours apart

        • FistsofNeil25

          Don’t think about it too much. St Louis has 6 or 7 defenseman already under contract that are better than both of those two.

          • sprucesens

            Ya, I edited right after to clarify

  • Sandy

    No Spezza and probably no Michalek, where is the $$ spent to get the team to the cap floor which could be close to 54M if the upper limit is 70 or 71M

    • Sensnation

      They’re at 52.4 with Spezza but no contract for Lehner. If they don’t spend it on Michalek, there will be room for a 4-5mil player for sure.

      • Sandy

        Exactly where do they get that from?

        • Sensnation

          Really depends on what the Spezza return is. Two roster players would cover it. If not, maybe trading some of our extra D for a forward.

  • spoons

    Spezza and Ryan to Philly for 1st round pick, Simmonds, Sam Morin, and Brayden Schenn

    • Sensturion

      Hahaha no. I’d prefer seeing what Ryan is thinking of doing after July 1st.

      • spoons

        haha I’d be intrigued to see what Philly would give up for Ryan

    • Brock

      I think I may actually do that.

    • Keregan

      no

    • Sandy

      1st round pick in 2014 and 2015 with the players you suggested.
      That would mean Spezza gets traded after July 1st if Ryan is going with him.

  • Frankie Fives

    Since so many bloggers are posting crazy trades, here’s one for fun. Instead of a 3-way, Murray goes full “orgy” lol

    5 Team trade

    Ottawa gets 1st overall pick, Gudbranson, Jaskin, B Schenn, Morin
    Toronto gets Berglund, Philly 1st
    St Louis gets Spezza
    Florida gets Kadri, Cowen, St Louis 1st, Tor 1st
    Philly gets Bobby Ryan

    Full cost-per-point rebuild begins!

    • spoons

      haha that would be a hard trade to coordinate

    • sprucesens

      Well done sir!

    • Brock

      So Toronto gets a downgrade at centre and a worse 1st round pick? Sounds good to me!

      • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

        Give the man a break…it is toronto afterall, he was trying to be realistic! Hahaha

        • Brock

          Hey, I like the trade! Anything involving Toronto getting screwed is music to my ears.

          • Frankie Fives

            My trade only works with the Leafs involved since they’re the only team dumb enough to make a move like this lol

          • sprucesens

            they just join in, so they can be the kid that tags along and says, “i was part of the 5 way deal!! That’s a record that i’m a part of!!”

    • Senatollah

      Should add a 6th team to the mix, maybe the Islanders can give each team one of their picks in this years draft for each of their 7th round picks. islanders want to be the first team to have five straight draft picks in NHL history

    • jimmyjohnson

      The chink in this deal is that Toronto downgrades on both Kadri and their 1st and get nothing in return.

      Pretty good attempt though for a 5-way lol

      • Frankie Fives

        Yeah and Florida wins biggest I think. Maybe they can add a piece to close the deal lol

  • jimmyjohnson

    I just saw the Spezza to TML report. It’s amazing that people still view TSN as they used to be, instead of what they are now. Imo they have lost so much credibility in the last 5 years. This quote is certainly not exhibit A, but its part of the file:

    “’Believe it or not, the Toronto Maple Leafs did inquire about the availability of Jason Spezza from the Ottawa Senators. Not because the Toronto Maple Leafs want Jason Spezza in their lineup per se, but they were maybe looking at the possibility of bringing him in, parlaying him, flipping him quickly to somebody else as part of another transaction. But, the Battle of Ontario does not allow Ottawa GM Bryan Murray to make deals with the Toronto Maple Leafs, so that is certainly not happening.’”

    What a joke.

    • Sandy

      So the Leafs think they can get a better deal than the Sens when trading Spezza?
      What f’in world do they live in.
      Whatever is in the air in the centre of the universe I want some of that.

      • Frankie Fives

        The Leafs are actually interested in Berglund. Maybe they’d be willing to take the package the Blues have offered? If so, they’d need to send Kadri, 8th overall and more to Ottawa

        • Sandy

          They do realize that he has a severe shoulder injury, right?

          • FistsofNeil25

            I think if his shoulder injury was all that severe that St Louis wouldn’t have given him a 3 year deal. They aren’t guaranteed to move him.

          • PraiseAlfie11

            You’re talking about a team that signed the wrong ufa in jeff finger.

            So no, they probably don’t know.

          • Tooks

            Its not severe, its minor.

      • peetypuck

        It’s the blue koolaid that MLSE hands out in Hogtown.

      • FistsofNeil25

        It’s called smog. Lot’s of smog in the air in the 416.

      • WaitingSince92

        As a Sens fan who recently moved to Toronto, I can tell you what’s in the air and you don’t want it.

        It’s the sweet, ripe, inescapable scent of sewage. Raw sewage. That’s it.

    • sprucesens

      yeah, just riling up the fans for more viewership tomorrow. It would take JVR, reilly, their 1st and probably the 1st next year to even get murray to consider it. IF TML was that stupid, wouldn’t it be the most exciting thing ever!! To watch them give up all that, then fail, so we get 2 relatively top picks, only to have spezza walk at the end of the year, after being injured for most of it? THIS would be a dream scenario, regardless of how well our team did

  • Cyborg Denneny

    Call Mikhail Grabovski please Bryan.
    If we must suck next year, @ least they’ll be a thorn in the Leafs’ ass.

  • Sensturion

    Gotta hand it to the NBA for drafting player who just discovered he can’t play basketball anymore because of a disease they discovered he has a couple days ago. Very classy move.

    • PaulMacLeansDuster

      At least they didn’t draft a dead player a la Rough Riders

  • WaitingSince92

    Wow shit’s getting crazy in the comment section.

    Just because you say “I know this is crazy/stupid/never going to happen, BUT…”, doesn’t make it OK. Hehe heh

  • jtf927

    with berglund signed to a 3 year cap-friendly contract, do you think it provides more incentive for the sens? i wonder if murray was waiting for them to get him a contract before pulling the trigger.

    • Brock

      Not if it’s him being the main piece in the deal.

      • jtf927

        right. but, do you think with bergs getting the contract, making him the centrepiece might become more attractive? bergie (signed) + schwartz/tarasenko + pick?

        • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

          I highly doubt that we get a pkg like that.

          • jtf927

            if we threw in cowen or gryba, i think that would make the deal more possible.

        • Sandy

          It would be Berglund + a prospect + a pick.

        • Brock

          I think we would have made that trade already, without him being signed.

  • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

    SO is Eklund really really really dumb or are we moving Neil?!?!?!

    Hockey Buzz Eklund ‏@Eklund 11m

    I believe Neil could very well be one of those deals…

    • Millennium

      I mean, when was the last time Eklund was right about anything? The guy just slings everything at the wall in case one sticks so he can pretend like he has real info.

      Despite what I think of our 4th line, moving Neil the same year you move Spezza has gotta be PR suicide.

      • Pasky

        Agree, I still think Neil and Phillips play out the last 2 years in a Sens uniform and call it a career. Otherwise they may want one chance at a cup next year and accept a trade, but that decision is strictly on them not management.

        • Millennium

          Yup, both have NTCs of some sort, and frankly neither one strikes me as the type who would leave to chase a championship. They seem more like legacy-first kinda guys, so retiring here would be important to them.

          • peetypuck

            You can’t get any more loyal than Neil and Phillips have been to the Sens.

    • SensChirp

      Corrected to Neal

      • Millennium

        well that makes more sense at least.

  • Kumar

    If it is Berglund and a prospect, then if I am Bryan will ask for 2015 1st rounder and current year mid rounder too.

    • Mitchell

      They don’t have one because they traded it to buffalo for miller, I believe

    • Sandy

      St Louis doesn’t have their 2015 first rounder. That went for Miller.
      So it’s either the 2014 first or the 2016 first.

  • Kumar

    If it is St. Louis we should try to add one of Wiercioch or Cowen and get a better deal.

  • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

    Ian Mendes ‏@ian_mendes 6m
    Latest on Alfie. RT @HeleneStJames: #RedWings have talked to camp for F Daniel Alfredsson, but so far, return to Detroit still a toss-up.

    Soooo this is oddly like last year, and didn’t I hear Murray quietly mention that he had spoken to one UFA already?

    How odd would that be if Alfie essentially pulled the same thing as last year, but came back, retired as captain.

    Far fetched I know, but I really can’t imagine him wanting to play anywhere other than Detroit or Ottawa with the family.

    • Spoons

      There will always be a place for Alfie in Ottawa.

      • cups

        I like you, and we go together too

        • jimmyjohnson

          lmao

    • Sandy

      Detroit has enough cap space to get him signed. I would have thought if he really wanted to play in Detroit it would be all done by now.
      Has another team gotten to him? Boston? Ottawa?
      Are the Sens offering up 6M to get him back? They will need experience in the forward position with Spezza and most likely Michalek gone.

      • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

        Hadn’t thought of Boston, but that could be an option as well…maybe.

        But it is looking more and more likely that we will need to get to the floor, it almost seems like a perfect chance for the team to correct a wrong almost without consequences, may as well overpay the face of the franchise for years to return than some random UFA that we don’t need atm

        • Millennium

          Well Iggy is going to UFA, so Boston makes a lot of sense.

          I’d be on board with Alfie coming back and ending things here, but it sounds like he’s hunting for a cup again, and I don’t really blame him.

        • SensChirp

          Boston losing Iginla because of cap issues though

          • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

            Yeah, you’d think that Iggy and Alfie would get roughly the same amount on a short term contract.

          • jimmyjohnson

            Iginla is a perfect fit in Boston. It’ll be a shame if that happens

      • cups

        maybe he follows spez? I could see him on discount joining a contender, you know if apes doesn’t waive for Florida or some shit.. I’m drunk

        as always

    • peetypuck

      Has the Alfredsson family decided they want to live back in Ottawa after Alfie retires? Playing his last year back here would certainly smooth things over with all the local folks.

      • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

        I believe he still has family in the area, so it wouldn’t be THAT far fetched.

    • SensChirp

      Seems like Detroit is unsure. Like they may go in another direction. In that case, what happens to Alfie? Does he really want to pick up his family again and move to a new city?

      If you listen to the way Murray talked about the UFA, he described it as minor interest. And that he would connect with the player again later. It was a weird way to talk about a player your were “actively” pursuing.

      For what its worth, everyone that would know is telling me it’s just not going to happen. But I’m obviously having a hard time accepting that :)

      • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

        Yeah, the way he talked about it came across as VERY odd. Almost like he knows that he isn’t going to pursue a lot of options.

      • Millennium

        For what its worth, that would be the most GMBM way of handling something like that. Return of the legend? “we might talk again”. That’s Murray’s understated personality to a tee.

        But no, I doubt it was about Alfie :p

      • senate19

        to be fair Chirp, I think this one would be kept very close to the chest – not a drip can leak out if this is happening – Murray knows fans are sensitive

        • senate19

          and for that matter – I can’t help but wonder if Ottawa and Detroit are being really friendly about the whole thing – Detroit saying they might go in a different direction so their fan base will be open to Alfie leaving them

    • Wyzerd

      I’d like to see him come back and retire here. Melnyk would have to open his purse to pay Alfie what he is due, so it is unlikely he’ll be back…

  • ProfessorPower

    who on Chicago would be available for a Spezza deal?

    • Brock

      Teravainen.

      • ProfessorPower

        I was thinking along the lines of Shaw Sharp Hossa Bickell Saad..ect

        • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

          ummmmm

          • laughing

            They might be willing to part with one of them though. Then again, maybe not. Really tough to get a read on what Chicago would realistically be willing to offer for Spezza.

          • sprucesens

            with chicago, it might be all futures. Maybe teravainen as the top 6 now player, and like 2 1st rounders, maybe 3 if they are desperate. You can be sure their 1st will be pretty much 2nd rounders for the foreseeable future, this way they keep their core intact, but could still put together a decent package that is enticing, and still be in win now mode.

        • Millennium

          Aside from Hossa, those names seem potentially possible, but not cheap at all. Certainly not for 1 year of Spezza (or anyone).

          They need to make room for Kane and Toews next season, so they have to make some tough cuts. But they won’t be selling low.

          • ProfessorPower

            Spezzas one year is good for them isnt it? don’t Toews and Kane’s next contracts kick in 2015?

          • Millennium

            the 1 year term is what they would want yes, but that doesn’t mean they will massively overpay for it. We would have to sweeten the deal with someone else. They’re in win-now mode, not mortgage-the-future mode.

          • ProfessorPower

            I would definitely add to get key pieces from Chicago.

        • Tooks

          Yep pretty much, except for Saad.

      • Tooks

        Teravainen is untouchable…

    • Wyzerd

      Spezza, Cowan for Seabrook…..

      • Tooks

        Done!

  • Spoons

    My ultimate wish list (I’m having a moment, please don’t piss on it… lol):
    Spezza is traded in a three-way deal that gets us Evander Kane. Statsny signs with Ottawa. Ryan extends. Alfie comes back. ahhhhhh, it’s good to get that one off my chest… carry on…

    • ProfessorPower

      if Winnipeg wasn’t on spezzas 10 list I think we would have gotten Kane.

    • cups

      where did you get what you on, I want some… but I’d take more and see ROR

    • Sandy

      Have you been breathing in that ‘Toronto’ air?

  • Andrews theory

    I’ve been a Murray supporter all along however if he botches the Spezza trade and then moves out Wiercioch for something less than stellar I may be swayed in another direction.

  • Spoons

    Maybe the best move is to try and nab that 1st overall pick. I was all against it until I remembered the Yashin deal that got us 2nd overall + a relatively unknown tall/lanky D-man. That went pretty well.

    • sprucesens

      yeah, i think if florida considers it, you have to try to see what deal is willing to work, and leave it on the table as an option. I imagine that’s how these kinds of things work. Murray tells each team, he has at least one specific offer he is willing to accept, and he will tomorrow. Then he says, if you have a final offer, put it in, and we will weigh all the options over night and let you know first thing in the morning. This goes for all teams/trades. If teams are comfortable with their offer, then they do nothing, and hope they get picked. If not, murray takes a less than stellar deal, or renegotiation has to start, as picks value just changed a ton, after the draft.

      • Spoons

        I really like Reinhart. They compare him to a Toews/Mike Richards. He’s NHL ready. Would love to see him start in a Sens uniform on the 3rd line along with Lazar. Our 1st line would be weak for a year or two, but I’d be good with that.

        • Tooks

          To get the 1st pick you would have to inlcude one of Turris, Ryan, Zibanejad + Spezza, but since we have no 1st round pick and thats what FLA wants back, we have ZERO chance of getting that 1st pick.

    • Hax

      Word is that Florida will only trade down 9 spots or less. They seem to want to draft in the 5-10 range rather than 1st (assuming they get good return on the pick).

      But I agree that Ekblad might be a better centerpiece than other rumors. He’s apparently ready to step into the top 4 in the NHL now. Though we’d be very, very, very young on D.

  • http://batman-news.com Johnny Skills

    Gudbranson would be great for this team. I hear he is a natural leader.
    I know a lot of poeple think of Karlsson as Captain material…but I guess I look for different qualities in a capitain…I don’t want pure skill. I want a guy that has skill, toughness, compete level, and an intimidation factor. That’s why my choice was Methot…after phillips….now you could probably go right to Methot….but I know there is some untold story when he was a healthy scratch..baffled me at the time…assumed it was the month long flu that kept him out of the lineup.

  • FBP

    Happy Spezza trade day everyone. Enjoy it if you can.

    • Hax

      Is it July 1st already?

      • Tooks

        Haha yeah no kdding.

  • Dirk-Diggler

    Would anyone be happy if at the end of the day today Spezza is still a Senator but Neil and or Greening is gone?

    • FBP

      Colin Greening.

      • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

        Chris Neil.

    • Pasky

      Not Neil, he’s still effective as long as PMac plays him for 8-10 minutes a night instead of 15

      • Dirk-Diggler

        Would you trade Neil away so that MacLean can’t play Neil more than 8 mins a night?

        What do you think Neil’s value is around the league? A pick? A mid level prospect?

        There has been a ton of change in Ottawa in the last 12 months, maybe the organization changes it’s leadership this summer and completely turns the reins over to the young guys!

        • Hax

          I think the problem with Neil playing so much has little to do with Neil. It had to do with MacLean (rightly or wrongly) not trusting other lines when the chips were down. I like Neil and think he’s an important piece but ideally as a fourth liner (a real fourth liner that plays 6-8 minutes depending on how the game goes).

          If we keep Spezza and can skate Smith’s line as a real fourth line that’s fine by me (Greening or no Greening). The problem is that I think MacLean likes Smith more than just 4C so maybe trade Greening and have Smith play with Zibanejad on LW? Then get Grant or someone to play 4C?

      • jimmyjohnson

        what makes you think he’s only going to play him 8-10 minutes a game?

  • A-Train

    Make this trade, Murray. Make it.

    *said in oddly compelling voice of “feed your lawn” guy from that ad*

    • Frankie Fives

      “Trade that Captain, Trade it!”

  • Jakester

    ok lets try this again – Hot day for a hot trade c’mon Murray pull the trigger. Then once Spezz is gone Alfie signs for one year back where he belongs to lead the PESKY SENS back into the playoffs!

    • Tooks

      Bridge burnt!

  • Dirk-Diggler

    I’d LOVE it of Alfie comes home on July 1st and so would a friend of ours named Erik…

    But, I would not give #11 back the ‘C’, instead I’d be stitching it onto #65′s jersey and have Alfie mentor him into the role…

    • senate19

      I think that’s a good idea

    • Tooks

      Alfie aint coming back here…sigh…

  • Pasky

    So going to camp tonight, and as of 8pm I’m gonna have a media blackout till Sunday since there’s no cell service, so BM you better get this shit done soon.

    Today’s the day someone wins a Wiser pack! 45 out of 87 predictions were for today.

  • Jakester

    Hope Murray isn’t interested in Steve Ott our forward lines are already clogged up.

    • Hax

      I tend to agree. Unless Murray trades away some of our bottom six I don’t see a need or room for Ott.

    • iKarly65

      MacArthur-Turris-Ryan
      ???-Zibanejad-Stone
      Greening-Ott-Condra
      Hoffman-Smith-Neil

      There’s room, see?

      • Jakester

        That 3rd line sucks!

        • iKarly65

          so? nobody said anything about not sucking. What do you expect when you don’t spend money and your best forward and C wants out?

          Sens made it clear they are not going to sign any major UFAs, they’ll add a few role players, characetr guys (MacArthur, Ott). They said they’d rather spend on the guys the draft and develop. We shall see how serious they were when it comes to re-signing Ryan.

  • Dirk-Diggler

    As for our D, I want the group going forward to be Karlsson, Ceci, Weircioch and Cowen… Methot is a good trade piece, Phillips is a #7 guy and hopefully the man and the team realize that… Boro is an AHL guy and I don’t think he plays in ottawa next year. He’ll be waived or traded. Gryba is a #6 guy that will play his two years here and then be replaced in the system

    • CUP 2014-15

      You would rather PW then MM??? He has a ton of offensive potential if there is nobody within 10 feet of him but he might be the softest Dman in the entire league. That is the start of a good D core with Karl and CC but I still don’t see a single PK Dman in there unless Cowen can figure out what the hell he’s doing on the ice, but hay who needs PK Dmen anyway, MM and EG foe example.

      • Dirk-Diggler

        I like Methot don’t get me wrong but next year he’ll want a 4-5 year deal at $4M-$4.5 per season. I’d actually rather have Gryba and Cowen as our “shut down” guys starting in 15-16 and have 4 puck moving guys (including one of Classen/Wilkstrad)

        • Hax

          I agree to a point (I think Wiercioch is going to surprise some people this year) but of all our LH d-men, Methot is the only one I trust to play big minutes with Karlsson. And he’s also the only one I’d like to play with Ceci. Cowen worries me still when playing with guys like that and that many minutes. And Wiercioch isn’t a great fit for an offensive D as a partner.

          So I think we need Methot in that mix or else we’ll need Cowen and Wiercioch to play huge minutes as the “stable” guy in the pairing – which neither could do well last year.

          • Pugnacious Serf

            Don’t worry, the Bg Rig is back there at #7.

          • Hax

            He needs to be bottom pairing and PK IMO. I’m not a hater like some on here who seem to hate anyone over 30, but I freely admit that (at least until the playoffs come around) Phillips can’t play top 4 against most teams.

        • CUP 2014-15

          Sorry, kind of mis-read that then. I was looking at it as the building of a very soft D. I think players like Karl and soon, CC are worth the price of admission but as we agree, you still need shut down guys on the backend. The CC’s of the world are a joy to watch but we can’t win without Shut down guys. I am also not sure if a team can carry 3 let alone 4 O minded D unless your lucky enough to have the Keith type of guys back there.

      • Tooks

        Yeah PW46 right now is a 3-4 max, he was screwed around last year and that may have affected his development. I would play him at 3-4 and tons of PP time to get his confidence back. Methot should be a lock to pair with Karlsson and Cowen, well, we trade him with Spezza for a bigger return! lol

    • Pugnacious Serf

      Sounds logical good to me…

    • iKarly65

      While I agree that Phillips should be a 7th, or better yet, nothing at all, they would not have re-signed him if he wasn’t going to be in the line-up, especially at $2.5M.

      Sens have mismanaged their contracts, now face a logjam on D with 7 NHL contracts, which possibly leaves Ceci as the odd-man out simply because of contract. THAT is B.S. To use the contract excuse to demote a player despite their play is horrible management. Ceci should be in the line-up especially since he was told (last season) he was staying with the NHL roster.

      Now the Sens have Karlsson, Methot, Cowen, Phillips, Weircioch, Gryba and Borowiecki with 1-way deals this coming season. Are they really going to rotate through PW/EG/CC/MB? That’s paying a lot of money to sit a guy most nights.

      The only other option is to trade, however, Gryba is unlikely to be traded since sign-and-trades are frowned upon. That leaves (reasonably) only PW as the trade candidate (if you want to keep Ceci in the NHL, which is what he deserves and has earned).

      Also, based on these numbers, you can rule out signing any UFA D-man or trading for one, as that does not solve the problem.

      • Hax

        “sign and trades are frowned upon”?

        Are you talking about NHL14? If we did want to trade Gryba (not saying we do) then it’s pretty easy to sign him to a contract he likes but tell him and his agent up front that the team might include him in a trade. He’d still have his one-way deal and money etc so he’s likely going to accept that. Or he could of course hold out and say he won’t sign if they might trade him but RFAs don’t generally pull that sort of thing.

        I agree that sign-and-trades are bad if the player has no idea they might get traded, but if it’s transparent I don’ think it’s a problem. Still happens often enough.

        • iKarly65

          These guys are RFAs, it’s not that hard to sign them on your own. I’d think most teams would rather negotiate their own terms.

          Last instance I can think of was Turris re-signing in Phoenix, then traded 6 games into the season. But his situation was different.

          They re-signed Gryba cause they are keeping him. If they didn’t want him they could have traded his rights or just let him walk. He has way more value to the Sens than anyone else. He’s the kind of guy that most teams have a few of in the system.

          • Hax

            I agree he has value. But signing him to a decent contract makes him more tradeable than if we were just trading his rights. Not a huge difference but Murray can say “we just signed Gryba to a great deal if you want him as part of the package” rather than “we’ll toss in Gryba and you can try to iron out a deal”.

  • Hax

    My guess is that we’ll see a trade today but it won’t involve Spezza. Thinking we may finally see a bit of a Q4Q trade (though not a huge one) with Florida. Sens might also acquire another pick but a second or third rounder.

    Spezza trade happens July 1st IMO.

    • peetypuck

      Florida’s owner has told Tallon the Panthers must make the playoffs this year. They need a big star to attract fans also. Spezza?

      • Hax

        I’m sure they’re asking about Spezza but not sure they’ll win the bidding war. I still think that the highest bidding team will be looking to have Spezza beyond next year – and that makes me believe they’ll wait until July 1st to trade him so the extension can be part of the deal. I just don’t think Murray will want conditional picks involved since that would mean the return would be less if Spezza doesn’t end up resigning with the other team.

        All my own theories – who knows what Murray is thinking and he knows better than I.

        • peetypuck

          As soon as a team makes an offer that Murray considers reasonable he will allow that team to talk to Spezza and/or his agent. It shouldn’t take long to determine whether Spezza wants to sign a contract and for how much.

          • jimmyjohnson

            All indications point to this not being correct

          • Tooks

            Yes it does, thats what you dont understand, everyone is waiting on Stastny, Kessler, Spezza to each go first so they can set the bar. Other wise, whoever goes first will end up getting the least amount of money. None of them want to be the first move.

            FLA is on Spezza’s NTC, he might accept to go there 1 year (to help the Sens out) but wont re-sign there, FLA wont give up big pieces for 1 year of Spezza.

          • Spinorama

            You dont think tallon has called hemskys agent yet??
            of course he has. Spezza wants to go where an owner will spend….viola WILL spend.

          • Tooks

            Spezza mentioned ANA & STL to be his landing destination, why, cuz they are contenders…He doesnt want to go to another mediocre team. Plus he wont re-sign with FLA, once he’s a UFA he’s gone. FLA wont risk giving up big assets for 1 year fo Spezza. Come on fellas, this aint hard to understand.

          • Hax

            All true – however no team is going to give the moon based on a handshake with Spezza’s agent. They’ll want something in writing which will be July 1st. Or they’ll offer conditional picks which (I think) Murray would say “Let’s wait until July 1st and make those picks unconditional”.

      • Tooks

        They would want him longterm and Spezza wont re-sign with them, so no, FLA wont give up their best assets for 1 year of Spezza.

        • Spinorama

          Youre an idiot tooks!! If viola puts 7 years 49 million low laxed dollars he’ll say to his wife…bikini time we’re off to Hollywood Beach !!! Luongo in nets campbell on def. This team is very close to make the playoffs. He’s going to florida ….book it !!!

          • Tooks

            Haha, very close to the bottom again this year for FLA, they are very similar to us. #WhatAreUSmoking

          • Sandy

            Sorry Tooks. A full year of Luongo they have decent D – they won’t be at the bottom this year.

    • iKarly65

      Doubt it, especially if you’re talking about getting FLA’s #1 pick.

      • Hax

        Q4Q with Florida. And not a huge one. Not even considering the #1 pick as being an option for us since Florida won’t want to drop to #40 no matter what we include.

        • iKarly65

          well what are you thinking?

          I do not anticipate nay D being traded, aside from PW, but if you’re thinking of trading for a D (i.e. Gudbransson) that doesn’t solve anything from our end, re: logjam. Still leaves us with too manyNHL D. Then we’re back at trading more D (Gryba re-signed, not going anywhere; Ceci, demoted to AHL; Boro) It’s a mess.

          • Hax

            It’s far from a mess IMO.

            We currently have 8 D that could play in the NHL next year. While I’m not saying Murray HAS to move any of them, I’m simply guessing that the rumored talk with Florida yesterday might have include discussion on a smaller trade. Maybe one of our D and a forward prospect for a forward from Florida? Or two of our D for one of theirs?

            Not really suggesting anything big and don’t really have specific players in mind. Just thinking that Murray might look to clear out a little quantity.

          • iKarly65

            I would hazard a safe guess that anyone who signed recently is not being traded. That’s bad GMing.

            Cowen they are too invested in.

            Methot would be a dumb trade.

            They either bite the bullet with Boro and pay him an NHL salary to play in the AHL, or make a dumb PR move and re-assign Ceci to the AHL.

            Or make unpopular decision to move Patty W (Turris’ friend).

            Only FWD I’m unsure of is Prine – does he still want out? Do the Sens honour his wish and move him? Can they move him?

          • spezzerman

            I’d be fine with Ceci in the AHL next year if he isnt clearly ahead of the rest. No need to rush a young defensemen into a role they arent ready for, see Cowen as to why.

          • iKarly65

            What makes you think he’s not ahead of the rest?

            This is like the whole Da Costa > Zibanejad thing. I can see the Sens sending Ceci down and saying he needs to work on things (which is a lie). If they did that it’s purely to do with contract alone.

            Saying that he needs to grow in the AHL is a better PR move than saying “we screwed up and signed too many players in a position and we cannot move any of them so we are demoting a good player because it would be the easiest thing to do and save money”.

          • spezzerman

            Because the season hasnt started yet and 99% of defensemen arent ready for the NHL at 20.

          • ill district

            Ryan Murray. Humpus Lindholm. Jacob Trouba,.. Yep, your probably right. I’m only able to name 3 off the top of my head.

          • spezzerman

            ya, those guys are all pretty good, top 10 picks in fact. Doesnt change anything though. No need to rush Ceci, make him earn his way back into a lineup if we still have 7 dman on one ways at camp, room can be made.

          • iKarly65

            he was probably our 3rd best defenceman last year, he’s ahead of Gryba, Weircioch, Phillips and Boroweicki.

            Boro’s gonna be the 7th d-man. And you say it’s easy to move players – not really.

          • Andrews theory

            i wouldn’t move Prince, we own his ass… deal with it and earn your stripes when you become better than what we have now, you’ll play

          • iKarly65

            No, you don’t do that to a player. You want people that want to be here.

            Using your argument, we should have forced Heatley to play despite him not wanting to. That or suspend him.

            Ottawa isn’t getting glowing endorsements from players to stay or sign here, let’s not make it worse by treating them bad.

        • Tooks

          I wouldnt be surprised if this happened, low quality trade to clear up some bodies.

    • Dirk-Diggler

      Maybe we can trade with Florida to get their 2nd (32nd I believe) and get Josh Ho Sang and with our pick (40th) get a D man….

      Could we trade Methot to FLA for their 2nd?

      • peetypuck

        We gave up Nick Foligno, a 1st round pick for Methot. Murray will hardly trade him for a 2nd round pick now. Good d-men are going for a premium.

      • Andrews theory

        why would you want to move out Methot?
        I think he should be a staple on our roster moving forward.

        • RUSH RLZ

          Methot is awesome. I hope we extend him for at least 3 years in the coming week…

  • jimmyjohnson

    My sources tell me that something with Florida is close. Apparently, Goodbran is coming to Ottawa in exchange for Cowen, Smith, Puempel, and our 2016 1st
    J5

    • peetypuck

      Gudbranson is a monster. He’s well worth the players and pick in your trade.

      • jimmyjohnson

        It would probably need to be our 2015 first though. I don’t feel comfortable parting with that

        • peetypuck

          No way, we’re getting McDavid or Eichel with our 2015 #1 draft pick.

          • Sandy

            Don’t be too sure on that. There is an entire top 6 line to replace with young guys?

          • peetypuck

            Zibby, Stone and Moulson?

          • jimmyjohnson

            I think you’re right but I’m way more concerned about than I was a year ago…

      • Andrews theory

        ya i dunno about that…
        Peumple is a future top 6 with the potential to play top line minutes as a sniper and that 2016 first could be higher than any of us want.
        veto….

      • spezzerman

        Gudbranson was the #5 in FLA based on ES and Total ice time for dmen who played at least 50Games. He’s average at best at this point. Not much different than Cowen

        • Conor_smythe

          thank you!

        • jimmyjohnson

          How much do you watch him play? He’s an extremely good young defenseman. Much much better than Cowen, today and at their peak.

          • spezzerman

            I watch him play. He’s not better than the guys who played ahead of him in FLA, IMO. He is certainly not worth that trade above. I’m not saying Cowen was better than him last year or anything but its foolish to assume that we saw Cowen’s best game last year.

          • jimmyjohnson

            Yeah I don’t disagree on Cowen and the fact that that trade is an overpayment. Part of the reason for giving up so much is that apparently they will only move him for an overpayment.

            Can you at least agree that turning Cowen into Gudbranson is a good move, now and long term? If so, how much more would you add? (Admittedly, the first deal I thought of was Cowen + 2015 1st, but I thought it was just short of what it would take. Then I wanted to keep next years 1st and remembered the overpayment notion…)

          • spezzerman

            No, I dont agree. I see them as the same player with the same potential.

          • jimmyjohnson

            Oh, then we have very different opinions on Gudbranson.

          • spezzerman

            Full disclosure, I have a Cowen jersey. :) I dont hate Gudbranson but I dont love him either. Gudbranson has had fewer roadblocks and is a bottom pairing dman on a not great FLA team. My expectations for Cowen have lowered but I’d rather see him next year and whether a full summer of training and prep without being hindered by injury improves his game before trading him away for essentially the same player.

          • jimmyjohnson

            Oh I See!! It all makes now! You bought a jersey and now that’s all you think about at night… rolling around in your sleep, muttering nonsense: “when can I wear it with pride? .. why’d he make that play?? .. stop making fun of me!! .. he looked so good when he was 16!! .. No Jared, you can’t make that pass!!! noooooooo ..AHH!

            Oh, thank God! It was all just a dream.

            *turns to the camera*

            Or was it?!!”

            dun dun daaaaaaaaaaa

            yeah, I’m willing to give him time to sort it out, but if I can just trade him for what I view as an upgrade, I’d do it.

        • jimmyjohnson

          Just fact checked you. He played 65 games. And you bring up his ice time totals to make it seem like he’s low on their usage chart?

          lol

          • spezzerman

            he played fewer minutes per game than 4 other guys who played at least 50 games. He played the 6th fewest in total but I discounted the guy who played 16 games. Did I read that wrong on NHL.com? I dont think so

          • jimmyjohnson

            No, but I did lol.

            Yeah fair enough. Point to you.

            But he’s still a great 22 year old D-man.

          • spezzerman

            Lots of potential, no doubt. just opinions, all good man!

    • CUP 2014-15

      If I am FLA it’s a yes all day long.

      • jimmyjohnson

        If I am OTT it’s a yes all day long.

        • boom

          Thank God you’re not OTT.

    • AutoTurris

      My only reservation about that trade is Smith… But Murray might be interested in getting Steve Ott; I personally would never replace Smith with Ott but if it bags us Gudbranson, maybe

    • Conor_smythe

      …more like gudbranson for Cowen straight up.. if you add puemple to the mix, FLA is probably giving us Huberdeau as well

      • jimmyjohnson

        ????
        :D wwwwhhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaattttttt?

        lol no man lololol no

        • Conor_smythe

          ya man… we could probably even get FLA to retain some salary

          • jimmyjohnson

            We’ll have to wait and see, but if he gets traded, I seriously doubt it isn’t for a very good package.

  • Conor_smythe

    Seems like the Berglund contract means he is NOT coming to Ottawa

    No way we trade for Berglund now that he’s making more money than Turris

    time to put the Berglund rumours to bed

    • FBP

      I think the Berglund rumours just drank a coffee and won’t be able to sleep for hours and hours.

      • Conor_smythe

        ya.. if you’re talking about berglund to: anybody but Ottawa

    • spezzerman

      we are never going to get a top 6 that makes less than Turris. What Turris makes is irrelevant. That said, I hope Bergland isnt included in a Spezza deal.

    • Tooks

      This is probably what Murray has been waiting for, wether you like it or not, Berglund is the centre piece for the STL deal and Murray didnt want Berglund as an RFA. Berglund fits the exact type of player Murray is looking for, big, strong, good skater, proven 2C in a defensive role, to help out with Zib.

      • A-Train

        I….agree with this?

        • jimmyjohnson

          I don’t. He could be right, but we have no indication that the Sens are interested.

          In fact, every reputable source says that Berglund can not be the centerpiece.

          • A-Train

            He’s been the one player consistently appearing in rumours and mainstream press as a trade piece. There’s something to it.

            That said, I’m personally not excited about Berglund.

          • jimmyjohnson

            Dreger just said yesterday that Berglund cannot be the centerpiece of the deal

          • A-Train

            Good!

          • Tooks

            He said Murray doesnt like the offers he’s getting, doesnt mean Berglund aint the centre piece, which he is. I dont see the Blues offering up much more than that. Maybe a high prospect like Jaskin or Rattie.

            Berglund + Cole + Jaskin/Rattie.

            To me this is a good return, no picks involved, you get 2 young NHL rdy players that can play now and help the team and you get a high prospect to develop.

          • jimmyjohnson

            What? No, he said explicitly “Berglund will not be the centerpiece of a deal for Spezza.”

        • spezzerman

          If the other pieces are stronger than thats fine. But he is a #3 on the Senators longer term which is not ideal as the roster player coming back.

          • A-Train

            I don’t think it’s ideal and I think Murray is pushing for more. But the signing is likely an attempt by Armstrong to make this a better deal for Murray — “getting to yes” etc. And I can see how Murray might actually like Berglund as a player…just not as the return he was hoping for.

          • jimmyjohnson

            Why is it a signing for Murray? There’s 28 other teams in the league. It’s a signing for a draft day deal. That doesn’t necessarily mean a deal with us though

          • spezzerman

            Ya I agree and Bergland isn’t a disastrous return (assuming his shoulder isnt completely crippled) He is still young and could certainly benefit from a change of scenery.

      • boom

        I haven’t see Berglund play enough. He strikes me as a good 3rd line center and an OK 2nd line center. I guess it depends on how the Sens view him – is he an obvious upgrade on Zibanejad, long term? Maybe he is..

      • Conor_smythe

        but I dont get it.. Murray said straight up that Turris is not a number 1 Centre… so that means either Berglund is our number 1 guy… or Zibby.. making Berglund 3rd liner at 3.7 million

        I personally think Turris IS a number 1 centre.. but then how can you justify putting Turris on the first line, and paying berglund more to play 2nd or 3rd line?

        I think we would be a strong 2-way team with Berglund/Turris/Zibby.. but I see his signing as a hint that he’s not coming to Ottawa

  • SensChirp

    Calling out all the Lurkers! I know there is a huge number of you that read but don’t post. Well today’s the day. Reply to this comment so we know who’s following along today!

    • Dirk-Diggler

      I don’t think a lot of work will be done here today!

      • peetypuck

        Canada might as well declare Draft Day a national holiday. Yes, yes, yes.

    • jimmyjohnson

      And click on some ads

      • EK65

        I just started doing this! didn’t even think to. Been on this site for years and always use ad block. not anymore!

    • lurks

      lurkin

    • CUP 2014-15

      Good day to call out all readers Chirp, have a feeling that this is going to be a historical day for the franchise.

    • runningbear1974

      Good morning…

      • peetypuck

        Ready for a big day?

        • xN1Cx

          It better be…ooorrrr elllssseee

        • Tooks

          Setting yourself up for disappointment early…

    • xN1Cx

      Oh I’ll be here all day!
      Someone better deliver!

    • Max2166

      Have a great day Chirp. I will be verifying your site today often for updates.

    • A-Train

      Will be in and out through the day ….. then, sadly, through much of the draft.

    • Zira1

      Lurking and waiting for trade news and anything else that upgrades our Sens team. I am the only Sens fan here amongst the 110 million soccer fans who have overtaken Mexico to cheer for the National team at the World Cup. Thnx for all the updates that are posted as you hear them.

    • KingKarlsson84 – RSU is pathet

      Start a Draft Day topic chirp! Let’s get it going!

    • AutoTurris

      Ou! Ou! I am Chirp!! I’m following along!! *bats eyes affectionately*

    • TheBluFunk

      Alright alright ! I’m crawling out from under my safe one-way mirrored rock to say hello! I better not be doing so for nothing! I wanna see a few Sens trades to spice up this upcoming long weekend. Oh and is it a Tookie free Friday? Also known as a TFF ! :)… I read something about that yesterday… We should get the mayor to officialize TFF!

    • Wretch

      Is scary out here in the light. Back to lurking.

    • Ragged

      Coming out of stealth mode. Big-time lurker of both SensChirp and HF. :)
      I figure now’s as good a time as any to jump in!

    • Spartycat

      Reporting in.
      have a bad feeling that Spezza will not get traded. I hope I’m wrong.

      • jimmyjohnson

        I don’t think we see a trade happen today.

        • Spartycat

          You are probably right.
          I would not be surprised if he does not get traded or does not get traded before the deadline.

  • Terry

    Hahahah. I have been following but only have the net at work. It makes it tough to post.

    • CUP 2014-15

      Don’t get caned Terry, just enjoy the banter and I hope your off early today

      • Terry

        I will be following along. I am in Oil & Gas in Field Safety. I may have alot of “paperwork” to do today. Muahahahahaha.

        • CUP 2014-15

          LOL

  • peetypuck

    Bad news. Gino Odjick has been determined to have a terminal illness. Not a joke.

    • RUSH RLZ

      Wow very sad, and some touching words from Gino himself: http://canucks.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=723992

    • CUP 2014-15

      Saw that this morning, a heart condition and he has only been given days. Prayers with him and his family today.

  • the dj

    I thought Spezza was supposed to be removed from advertising just saw a visa comercial on nhl.com with him speeding through a drive through

    • FBP

      Was he wearing Sens gear?

      • peetypuck

        I think it looked like a Panthers jersey. LOL LOL

      • the dj

        yes he was

        • the dj

          and he is wearing the C

  • spezzerman

    This is a great day for my boss to start his vacation.

    • xN1Cx

      I’m in the same boat.
      VIVA la trades!

      • spezzerman

        are you my cubicle neighbor?

        • xN1Cx

          Kevin? Haha

          • FBP

            I really hope this is happening.

          • spezzerman

            we are having coffee right now….;)

  • CUP 2014-15

    Darren Dreger ‏

    Cap teams are getting nervous as NHL-NHLPA continue discussions on next years salary cap. Less than $70 mil will be problematic for many.

    • Sandy

      Good.

    • Senatollah

      Ukraine Sports Minister predicts stagnation of salary cap.

  • Dirk-Diggler

    What do you think it would take to get Larsson out of NJ? Weircioch + Prince + 2nd… Would any of you do that?

  • Brock

    Check Twitter. Check SensChirp. Check Twitter. Check SensChirp. My day, all day.

    • CUP 2014-15

      LOL, I am on the same page. Leave it on here and Twitter on my fav. bar to show any new posts.

  • AutoTurris

    We won’t get a 1st rounder. Which means Murray won’t get any enticing offers today. I think he’s close to having a price no one will pay for. I don’t think the trade is today. This will drag on and on. I’d love to eat my words, but this dance is going well into the night.

    • A-Train

      It does have that feel. The Berglund signing is ominous, but there’s a creeping sense of “nothing happening”.

      Me, I’m taking a break for a few hours. I WILL come back to news.

      • Brock

        There is no such thing as a “break” on draft day.

    • RUSH RLZ

      The only smart thing I heard on TSN1200 this week was yesterday. I believe it was Mendes opining that once teams get THIS close to the draft… with all the scouting work they’ve done, planning, fretting… it is really difficult to give up that first rounder.

      • Sandy

        I don’t give a rat’s ass for a first round pick in this draft.

        • RUSH RLZ

          I know you don’t Sandy, and it’s mind boggling. You know there will turn out to be a couple of future stars buried in the 10-30 slots and if you trust our scouting, we should be salivating at the idea, same as any other draft.

          Fans think this draft is such shit, funny how GMs and their scouting staffs are so reluctant to give any up without big time value coming back the other way.

          Do I want Spezza to go for three low first rounders and that is it? No. Would it be awesome to get one in part of a package? yes.

          • Tooks

            Thats cause nobody wants 10th and up, no teams will trade a proven player for a 10th pick and up, unless its in the top 5 which are all in play apparently, nobody wants to trade anyone for picks in this years draft class.

            Thats why teams are keeping their later picks, nobody wants them.

            And by your logic, Zib, Noesen, Puempel are gonna be stars in the NHL? Decent players but not stars. Tell me which player in the 10-30 or later turned out to be a “star” in the NHL in the last 10 years…Karlsson is the only one…

          • Frankie Fives

            Many 10-30 picks turn out to be stars. Eberle (22), McDonaugh (12), Shattenkirk (14), Pacioretty (22), Bernier (11), Giroux (22), Kopitar (11), Rask (21), Oshie (24), Niskanen (28), Jeff Carter (11), Dustin Brown (13), Seabrook (14), Parise (17), Getzlaf (19), Kesler (23), Mike Richards (24), Perry (28)

            Shall I go on?

          • peetypuck

            What about EK65 (15)? I can’t believe that you left him off your list.

          • Frankie Fives

            Ummm, if you read Tooks post, you’d see he said “Karlsson is the only one…”

          • RUSH RLZ

            EXACTLY bro, thank-you.

    • Tooks

      Yep I said into the first weeks of July. Makes no sense for us to dillute our return just to get a mid 1st pick in the weakest draft in a decade.

      Unless we somehow land in the top 3, we have enough mid range prospects.

  • BMurray

    ANyone liking a Spezza to rangers

    To Rangers: Spezza/Weicoch or Boro
    To Sens: Girardi/2014 Second/2015 First

    and make serious offer to Boyle

    Methot/Karlsson
    Girardi/Boyle
    Cowen/Ceci

    Phillips is 7th

    • Dirk-Diggler

      They don’t have a 2015 1st… or even a 2014 1st… so don’t think this will happen

    • BMurray

      well forgot rangers doesnt have a first so would need to be prospect or something of value

  • RUSH RLZ

    16 years ago today we drafted Neiler and Fisher. Ahhhh memories! I hope today turns out even better!

  • RUSH RLZ

    I am anxiously waiting the 2014-2015 cap announcement. Suddenly teams are worried that it might come in lower than expected. <$70M would cause problems for a lot of other teams but be advantageous for us.

    • Phil.

      Unless the team is trying to acquire Spezza, then low cap is not advantageous to the Sens.

      • RUSH RLZ

        Yes you are right there is that angle too. I was thinking more of our player acquisition angle, teams that are suffocating under the cap may have to move some salary, like it or not.

        • Hax

          Fair point and might restrict some moves. Or it might force a team to include a better roster player than they’d like to. Can’t see Murray taking back any bad contracts but he has that option too – i.e. get a real gem but also take a bad contract back to help their cap situation.

          • RUSH RLZ

            Ahhh if only we had the $$$. There are wonders to work here… like GM of the Year Award wonders…

          • Hax

            Very true. It would have to be a contract much like, well, Spezza’s coming back. High cap hit but lower dollars.

            Ironic?

      • peetypuck

        Tallon has a boatload of cap space that he wants to spend.

    • Hax

      Agreed. Dare I say it may even make Melnyk look, well not “smart” but um, less insane?

  • Sandy

    Still hoping for Spezza to Florida or Arizona.
    Maybe he ends up in Anaheim and with Alfie not guaranteed back to Detroit, maybe he ends up in Anaheim as well.

  • the dj

    I think we should keep him till the deadline players in the final year of their contracts usually perform very well as they will be looking for a raise or big payday i know we risk loosing him for nothing but if and thats a big IF he can put us in a playoff spot before leaving i would think that would be the classiest thing a player could do

  • SensChirp